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Juror Aaron Ellis

Appearances

48 Hours

Strange Truth

1375.521

I felt that the evidence that was presented to me was not all the evidence that could have been collected and was the most scientific. And with that in mind, I could not find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

48 Hours

The Mind of a Murderer

2398.755

Well, I'll be honest with you. When we went into deliberation with that PET scan and all that computerized stuff they did, I said I felt like I've been dazzled with brilliance and baffled with BS.

48 Hours

The Mind of a Murderer

2427.071

He's a monster. He's worse than a monster. He had everybody kind.

48 Hours

The Mind of a Murderer

2480.33

I know I cried when I listened to that tape.

48 Hours

Coerced Confessions

770.235

Up to this point, the worst trouble I've ever gotten is being late to class.

48 Hours

Coerced Confessions

777.498

The knives were given to me as a present from my grandpa. I'm not particularly fond of knives.

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Coerced Confessions

911.562

I'd say probably the chest and neck. Maybe the stomach. He has to make sure that she can't scream. He has to make sure that she can't make any noise.

48 Hours

A Family Affair

2129.471

The way she threw him under the bus just, I mean, that told you right there. She just used him.

48 Hours

A Family Affair

2232.028

The first vote I had voted, not guilty.

48 Hours

A Family Affair

2234.43

I was leaning toward a guilty vote, but, you know, I guess I wanted to make sure that we looked at everything as closely as we possibly could.

48 Hours

A Family Affair

2293.306

Once I seen the bruises, that was like, yeah, he's guilty. It was his gun missing, and to me, that was the hardest evidence.

48 Hours

A Family Affair

2367.887

Even today, some jurors aren't sure. Robin Height was a manipulative person who stopped at nothing to get what she wanted. I think Robin played him like a fiddle.

48 Hours

The Perplexing Death of Susann Sills

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It's just so intimidating that you got someone's life on the line. It weighs on you.

48 Hours

The Perplexing Death of Susann Sills

2217.898

Somebody would do that.

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The Perplexing Death of Susann Sills

2288.396

The dogs would have to choke her on the stairs. And my dog was as big as hers. And my dog cannot get a grip on wooden stairs with their nails to do anything. They just slide.

48 Hours

The Perplexing Death of Susann Sills

2308.373

And the fall down the stairs wouldn't create that scenario on her body.

48 Hours

The Perplexing Death of Susann Sills

2329.554

I just didn't think he planned it. I don't. If he had planned it or done any kind of forethought, it wouldn't be a hot mess crime scene that it was. It was kind of like a snap.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

1021.116

But she never got any details, and her fiancé explained it away.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

1039.852

Right. Diana's sister Anne and her brother Scooter were not so sure, and neither were their parents, who wanted her to call it off.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

1081.755

The relationship began to fray over Foreman lying about their finances, and it ended after he had an affair. And looking back, Diana can see that he had an unhealthy fascination with police officers and the tools of their trade, like handcuffs.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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When Catherine was killed, they were divorced. But Diana remembers calling her ex-husband to talk about it.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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With all the mounting evidence, Foreman needed to be found. He was 60 and no longer living in Beaumont. They quickly tracked him to Reynoldsburg, Ohio. What was he doing there?

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

1163.004

You need to collect a piece of DNA so that you can ensure that it's the right guy. Correct.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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The likelihood that the DNA belonged to Clayton Foreman was a big number, 461 septillion. It doesn't get better than that, says Cheryl LaPointe. I mean, you can't fight those odds.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

1206.686

Aaron Llewellyn and Brandon Best were about to hop a plane to Ohio, ready to face the man they felt sure had killed Catherine.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

1217.712

And while they're doing that, Tina pays a visit to Diana Coe. Did they tell you they had DNA, though?

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

1269.349

When Texas Ranger Brandon Bess and Detective Aaron Llewellyn arrive at the Franklin County Sheriff's Office to confront Clayton Foreman, they have a cover story. It's about a lost item from one of Foreman's Uber rides.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

1295.879

It was April 29th, 2021, 26 years after Catherine Edwards was murdered, and they are sure they are sitting in front of the man who murdered her.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Did he immediately go, uh-oh? No, he didn't.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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I guess he pretty quickly realized he wasn't there to give up a purse. He did.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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So, and he's denying, denying.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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And after all those years and all that work, Aaron Llewellyn and Brandon Bess had one thing left they needed to do.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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The very handcuffs that bound Catherine the night she died. How did it feel to put those handcuffs on?

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Even though they had their suspicions about him, the news that Clayton Foreman was arrested for the murder of Catherine Edwards was still a shock for his ex-wife, Diana Coe, and her siblings, Ann and Scooter.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Nearly 30 years after Catherine Edwards was found dead in her townhouse.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Beaumont prosecutor Patrick Knaud and his colleagues Mike Laird and Sonny Eckhardt are ready for trial.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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And they're extremely confident about their case against Clayton Foreman.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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No, Your Honor. Tom Burbank is defending Foreman.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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The prosecution calls Catherine's twin sister, Allison.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Here at 60, sitting before them was the spitting image of what could have been. That is a picture of my sister, Catherine. reliving the day she lost Catherine.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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So you would do the police work. Yes.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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It was just that she was gone was all I knew. The pain and the loss still so palpable.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Helenia Adams, Katherine Edwards' student when she was 7 and now 37, sat in the courtroom nearly every day.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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You measure the proximity of matching DNA. Detective Tina Llewellyn and genealogist Cheryl LaPointe, along with other crime lab technicians, walk the jury through the process of the genealogy and the DNA match. Texas Ranger Bess and Detective Aaron Llewellyn go through the final stages of the investigation, all carefully coordinated to make the chain of evidence airtight.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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And on the last day, the prosecution calls all the women who had been scarred by Foreman and were alive to say so.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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That's correct. An old co-worker. Whenever I opened up the drawer, there was a pair of handcuffs. A former fiancé who found pictures of young girls. He said to me that he had them so that he could fantasize about taking their virginity. his ex-wife, Diana Coe, who agreed to testify.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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And it was during the trial that Diana learned about what really happened to that 19-year-old woman in the months before she and Foreman married.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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She was the final witness. Returning to the night her car got stuck and Foreman, falsely claiming he was a policeman, offered to help.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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stop crying i'm sorry i hope i didn't hurt you and there was another woman who did not testify but went on the record an alleged victim of foreman's violence also a high school friend of diana who did not press charges she told investigators foreman attacked her from behind and put a gun to her head

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Prosecutors suspect Foreman used a similar ruse the night he appeared at Catherine Edwards' door.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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After seven days of prosecution testimony, the defense calls no witnesses, and attorney Burbank closes.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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The prosecution wraps up its case.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Now it would be up to a jury to decide Clayton Foreman's future. Patrick Knaud wants them to remember Catherine Edwards didn't have one.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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It takes less than an hour for the jury to come back with a verdict.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Clayton Foreman, guilty and sentenced to life for the murder of Catherine Edwards.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Larry Delcambre, juror number two, says he and his fellow jurors had very little to talk about.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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For Helenia Adams, finally some justice for a favorite teacher after all.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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And when you heard those words guilty, what was that like for you?

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Was it emotional we did it? This whole case was emotional. For detectives Tina and Aaron Llewellyn, genealogists Cheryl LaPointe and Ranger Brandon Bess, it was the ending they had all worked for. But it left lots of room for reflection.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

2256.085

Bess always wanted a confession. They all wanted to know why.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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And everyone was still reeling, asking themselves how it was that Clayton Foreman walked among them and no one saw his monstrous core all those years, hiding in plain sight.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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There was no sign of forced entry at the time, right? Right.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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But in the wake of the trial, it was time to turn away from Foreman and remember Catherine Edwards as she was and in her own words. Wow, I didn't realize the timing on this one.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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The vibrant, beloved schoolteacher in her prime gone far too soon. If you could talk directly with Mary Catherine Edwards, what would you wish to tell her?

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Helen Aya is a student once again. She's studying for her master's in criminal justice and plans to apply to law school, a tribute to her teacher.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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For Texas Ranger Brandon Bess, almost everything about the Mary Catherine Edwards case was different.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Were they police grade handcuffs?

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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January 14th, 1995. It was a Saturday. Catherine, as most people called her, didn't show up for a family lunch and she wasn't answering her phone. When her mother and father went to check on her, they had to see what no parent ever should.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Catherine was 31. My mom is the one that told me.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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She had been friends with Catherine and her twin sister, Allison, since middle school.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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The sisters, both schoolteachers, looked so much alike, everyone had trouble telling them apart, especially their young students.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Helenaia Adams remembers being in her classroom.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Early investigators could not piece together what happened, but those police-grade handcuffs were a big clue.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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In the weeks after the murder, police focused on tracing the serial numbers of the handcuffs, but came up empty. They also zeroed in on an old boyfriend, David Perry.

48 Hours

Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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But Perry was out of town that night. He gave a DNA sample, and it was not a match.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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The crime scene DNA stayed well preserved and the years dragged on and on until forensic science changed.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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By 2018, there was a way to take the DNA left at a crime scene and search for biological relatives. A program, GEDmatch, scarfs up all the DNA from people who agree to share it with law enforcement and upload it when they use sites like Ancestry.com and 23andMe.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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So in April 2020, the DNA from Catherine Edwards' crime scene went to Othram, a lab outside of Houston for testing.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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But the number of names to pursue was overwhelming.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Aaron's wife, Tina, an auto crimes detective, began using her off hours to help sort through it. The matches were all Cajun.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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So Tina went back to Katherine's journals looking for clues.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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And as she was building out the branches, one of the names on the family tree kept coming up.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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And when they called her, they found out Shara had been building her family tree.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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And then they found out something that changed the course of the investigation. Shara was known professionally as the gene hunter and already skilled at working these cases. She'd identified one of the women buried along Interstate Highway 45 in the Texas Killing Fields case. And she agreed to lend her expertise. I told him that I was willing to help.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Even if it meant taking a hard look at her own relatives.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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It was a complicated, multilayered process using publicly available DNA, birth and death records, finding parents, siblings and cousins.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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The tree grew up and down and sideways. There were almost 7,500 names.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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All the while, Tina hardly slept, working through most nights knowing there was a killer still out there.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Hunkered down at their computers day after day, constantly back and forth on the phone, Tina Llewellyn and genealogist Cheryl LaPointe are quickly becoming great partners.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Best buds. I don't know what else to say. And when they needed DNA, they turned to Tina's husband, Aaron, and Texas Ranger Brandon Bess.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Was there ever a time, though, that somebody actually thought my uncle may actually be a killer? Who knows?

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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Once the uploads were compared to the killer's DNA, if the amount of shared genetic material was low, they knew it was a dead end.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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After almost three months of ups and downs and nearly nonstop work, Shara hit pay dirt. It was about 10.30 at night.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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This was a major lead, a family in Catherine's town with two sons who went to Forest Park High, the same school Catherine did, at around the same time.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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This is them. We found them. Just didn't know which one. Okay. It's either Michael Foreman or Clayton Foreman. What did you do to figure that out?

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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In 1981, a 19-year-old woman told police that Clayton Foreman bound her hands and raped her. She had also gone to Forest Park High School, where Clayton was the manager of the football team. Foreman was convicted, but was given probation and paid a fine. But he did not have to give a DNA sample at that time.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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And then they found another connection. It went all the way back to Diana Coe, Catherine's friend from middle school. In high school, Diana fell madly in love. Her boyfriend had graduated three years ahead of her, and they got engaged.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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And when she started planning her wedding, she immediately turned to her old friends, Catherine and Allison.

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Tracking the Killer of Mary Catherine Edwards

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And the groom, the man Diana co-married back in 1982, now he was their number one suspect, Clayton Foreman. She, in fact, didn't know him. Yes. In hindsight, there were signs. When Diana found out about Clayton's legal troubles, the wedding was less than three months away.