Kate Klonick

Yeah.

Kate Klonick.

I'm a professor at St.

John's Law School.

Don't get me saying the F word again because last time my parents yelled at me.

Yeah, they're like, Kate, you're an adult now.

You're a serious person.

Yeah.

And now it is a problem of, okay, how do we stop billionaires and authoritarian governments from twisting these platforms into censorship machines or political propaganda?

I know.

That's kind of how I feel, too.

Sure.

So the main thing, the main thing from the last time we talked that has really, truly changed from like 2020 to 2025 is the rise of TikTok.

I mean, if you will remember, like in two short years, it had basically caught up with 12 years of Facebook's growth.

And I mean, TikTok has a different way that they run their content moderation.

Well, when we spoke in these past episodes, one of the assumptions of content moderation when it was getting off the ground, via Facebook or Instagram or YouTube, was that we don't want to censor people unnecessarily.

Yep.

And so you would keep content up until it was reported as being harmful.

And then you would make rules that would limit and try to preserve voice

as much as possible, as they put it.