Kelly Holley-Bockelmann

Yeah.

Thanks.

It began about 20 years ago.

So we're about 20 years.

Right.

This has been going.

Yeah, it has been going.

We started off with the idea that, you know, the traditional metrics that that choose graduate talent are, you know, things like standardized test scores and grades and.

That'd be the GRE, right?

That's right, the GRE.

They select, you know, people who are really great at taking tests and very smart people.

But, you know, science isn't like that.

And so we need folks that have diversity of thought and background and who are creative to be able to tackle the big problems of today.

And so, you know, we designed metrics that search for that

that search for creativity and like you know, community mindedness and, and yeah, that those are the things that, that end up making scientists and in our mind.

That's not true.

I started, I've been director for, I think maybe 10 years, but, um, still a long time.

Got you.

LISA, which is the Laser Interferometer Space Antenna, is in space because it's tuned to look for things that are in a different mass range.

So, like, if you think of LIGO, the kinds of the things that it detects are massive.