Ken Burns

I mean, we lock the picture back in January.

That means you're not going to do any more work on it.

We've unlocked it hundreds of times just to make it better.

Some historian said, I'm not sure if you can be that categorical.

And then we put in a perhaps.

Right.

Or you find out that image isn't as as stunning as we thought it could be.

Can we swap that out?

Oh, yeah, that works better than before, even after we were done done.

And I like the ability that by the time we're letting it go, it's like your kids are still, you know, licking the smudge off their face and, you know, making sure that their their hair is is tied up in a nice bow and, you know, have a good day, sweetie, you know.

It's a very different time, and you make a really, really good point.

When you take the judgments of what we know now, you can apply them, and then you end up with what I call that unforgiving revisionism, where you throw out some significant people with the bathwater revisionism.

But let me just tell you, they all knew slavery was wrong.

They all knew it was wrong.

And they still did it.

And there's a historian in it, Annette Gordon-Reed, who just says slavery is foundational to Thomas Jefferson.

And he knew all his life it was wrong and said it and wrote about it and tried to put in something to end the slave trade and end the Declaration of Independence, which no one would have.

And she goes, well, how could somebody do something they knew was wrong?

She goes, well, that's a question for all of us.

And so Jefferson's neighbor freed all his slaves and urged him to do it, and he didn't.