Kris Newby

Yes. And they had also focused on one organism, the Lyme disease, and sort of ignored the fact that with ticks in america there's just like 20 different viruses and bacteria that can be delivered at the same time as the lyme disease so if you have a vaccine for lyme disease well that might not help you if you have this cattle parasite called babesiosis or the um

Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever or the Powassan or Heartland viruses. So even though this didn't make scientific sense and that we still didn't understand the mechanism of action or possibly that there was another organism involved, all this money went into the vaccine. As time progressed, people began to realize that Lyme could become very chronic.

Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever or the Powassan or Heartland viruses. So even though this didn't make scientific sense and that we still didn't understand the mechanism of action or possibly that there was another organism involved, all this money went into the vaccine. As time progressed, people began to realize that Lyme could become very chronic.

Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever or the Powassan or Heartland viruses. So even though this didn't make scientific sense and that we still didn't understand the mechanism of action or possibly that there was another organism involved, all this money went into the vaccine. As time progressed, people began to realize that Lyme could become very chronic.

It can enter your joints and your brain, places where your immune system doesn't have full access and become chronic, go dormant for a while. Then when your immune system was weakened, it would blossom again. But if you're running a vaccine trial and you only want it to run a couple, you know, a few months, six months or whatever.

It can enter your joints and your brain, places where your immune system doesn't have full access and become chronic, go dormant for a while. Then when your immune system was weakened, it would blossom again. But if you're running a vaccine trial and you only want it to run a couple, you know, a few months, six months or whatever.

It can enter your joints and your brain, places where your immune system doesn't have full access and become chronic, go dormant for a while. Then when your immune system was weakened, it would blossom again. But if you're running a vaccine trial and you only want it to run a couple, you know, a few months, six months or whatever.

This turns out to be a chronically relapsing and remitting disease like MS or whatever. You can't run a scientifically valid vaccine trial. Or if you don't screen those initial patients for all the other tick-borne co-infections you can have, that really screws up your vaccine results. So anyways, there were two vaccines that came out. They were about to come out around 1997.

This turns out to be a chronically relapsing and remitting disease like MS or whatever. You can't run a scientifically valid vaccine trial. Or if you don't screen those initial patients for all the other tick-borne co-infections you can have, that really screws up your vaccine results. So anyways, there were two vaccines that came out. They were about to come out around 1997.

This turns out to be a chronically relapsing and remitting disease like MS or whatever. You can't run a scientifically valid vaccine trial. Or if you don't screen those initial patients for all the other tick-borne co-infections you can have, that really screws up your vaccine results. So anyways, there were two vaccines that came out. They were about to come out around 1997.

The trials were 1990 to 2000, and they were both pulled from the market, I think, because the underlying science wasn't right. But they said there was no market for it. So that's one factor. They started a vaccine before they understood how the organism makes people sick. The other factor is that was 82 was the beginning of the rise of medical insurance companies, HMOs.

The trials were 1990 to 2000, and they were both pulled from the market, I think, because the underlying science wasn't right. But they said there was no market for it. So that's one factor. They started a vaccine before they understood how the organism makes people sick. The other factor is that was 82 was the beginning of the rise of medical insurance companies, HMOs.

The trials were 1990 to 2000, and they were both pulled from the market, I think, because the underlying science wasn't right. But they said there was no market for it. So that's one factor. They started a vaccine before they understood how the organism makes people sick. The other factor is that was 82 was the beginning of the rise of medical insurance companies, HMOs.

And they had a vested interest to not treat really expensive chronic diseases. like Lyme disease turns out to be, it affects their bottom line too much. One New York State insurance exec said, well, AIDS is our number one most expensive disease. Lyme is number two.

And they had a vested interest to not treat really expensive chronic diseases. like Lyme disease turns out to be, it affects their bottom line too much. One New York State insurance exec said, well, AIDS is our number one most expensive disease. Lyme is number two.

And they had a vested interest to not treat really expensive chronic diseases. like Lyme disease turns out to be, it affects their bottom line too much. One New York State insurance exec said, well, AIDS is our number one most expensive disease. Lyme is number two.

So it was advantageous for them to side with the vaccine researchers that there is no chronic Lyme because now they don't have to pay for it. If they admit it, it doesn't exist. A little bit like long COVID, they don't have to pay for it.

So it was advantageous for them to side with the vaccine researchers that there is no chronic Lyme because now they don't have to pay for it. If they admit it, it doesn't exist. A little bit like long COVID, they don't have to pay for it.

So it was advantageous for them to side with the vaccine researchers that there is no chronic Lyme because now they don't have to pay for it. If they admit it, it doesn't exist. A little bit like long COVID, they don't have to pay for it.

Yeah. So during the Cold War, there was a tick weaponization program. There were many pilot studies with infected and non-infected ticks. And at some point, I think those non-native alien ticks with their alien infections got out in two places around Lyme, Connecticut and around Wisconsin. And this sparked this disease outbreak that is having long-lasting impacts on public health.