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There is also a special t-shirt that features a message that's handwritten by co-host George K's daughter to support transgendered youth. Proceeds from this shirt will fund a scholarship for LGBTQ plus undergrad and graduate students pursuing cybersecurity education. You can learn more about the scholarship in the show notes.

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Check out their Pride merch store and get your swag on with one of these shirts at their merch website, bkbtpodcast.shop. I've already ordered mine. Join us and Bare Knuckles and Brass Tacks in supporting Pride this month. All the information and links can be found in the show notes. Thanks for listening and happy Pride.

So let's jump into some questions that I have because everybody's probably like, well, why did you bring these two Andrews together other than it's fun because their names are the same?

So let's jump into some questions that I have because everybody's probably like, well, why did you bring these two Andrews together other than it's fun because their names are the same?

There is purpose actually, because I want to have a conversation more about normal, normal, I say in quotations, practices in cybersecurity, but also let's swing in at how it relates to food and both of them have industrial backgrounds. So it works out just for the audience understanding.

There is purpose actually, because I want to have a conversation more about normal, normal, I say in quotations, practices in cybersecurity, but also let's swing in at how it relates to food and both of them have industrial backgrounds. So it works out just for the audience understanding.

Andrew, in the UK side, based on your extensive experience in industrial cybersecurity, AKA the airports and beyond, What are the key lessons that the food industry can learn to improve their cybersecurity posture, in your opinion? Oh, gosh.

Andrew, in the UK side, based on your extensive experience in industrial cybersecurity, AKA the airports and beyond, What are the key lessons that the food industry can learn to improve their cybersecurity posture, in your opinion? Oh, gosh.

Absolutely. And I think this is why cybersecurity has to be included in food safety culture, because the more you tie it to the safety of the food, the more people will care about it and the more they'll, you know, be careful, I guess is what I'll say.

Absolutely. And I think this is why cybersecurity has to be included in food safety culture, because the more you tie it to the safety of the food, the more people will care about it and the more they'll, you know, be careful, I guess is what I'll say.

I'm glad you said that because that's very true, especially even just in straight up manufacturing. It's availability that's the king, if you will. That's so important. And I was thinking about since we were both at RSA recently, I was thinking about the marketing information I saw walking around. I don't know if you happen to notice some of it as well. I'm sure you couldn't not actually.

I'm glad you said that because that's very true, especially even just in straight up manufacturing. It's availability that's the king, if you will. That's so important. And I was thinking about since we were both at RSA recently, I was thinking about the marketing information I saw walking around. I don't know if you happen to notice some of it as well. I'm sure you couldn't not actually.

But there was one particular vendor who said something like, we eliminate all operational technology risks. And I was like, so you take the people out? Like, that was my immediate response in my head. And it was funny because I ran into another host of another podcast who interviewed me on the floor and I said it to him and he was like, wait, what?

But there was one particular vendor who said something like, we eliminate all operational technology risks. And I was like, so you take the people out? Like, that was my immediate response in my head. And it was funny because I ran into another host of another podcast who interviewed me on the floor and I said it to him and he was like, wait, what?

And I was like, yeah, you got to take people away from it. If you keep people in there, you can't eliminate all risks. There's no way. And you just said that. It's crazy to think that people think that you can do the X, Y, Z, da, da, da. But if you don't train your staff or they don't understand why it's important and where they should care, that leads to more problems. And it's so frustrating.

And I was like, yeah, you got to take people away from it. If you keep people in there, you can't eliminate all risks. There's no way. And you just said that. It's crazy to think that people think that you can do the X, Y, Z, da, da, da. But if you don't train your staff or they don't understand why it's important and where they should care, that leads to more problems. And it's so frustrating.

Pipeline is a great example, but I was thinking of JBS. That also showed that you have to have important disaster recovery. This is continuity planning. You can't retract beef once it's hit the trailer. There's no food or pasture necessarily for them to go back to the farm. And it might have been struck pretty far depending on where they were coming from.