Laura Jarrett

And every intersection for that date and time that they gave me, Frank Cano came up. For every single intersection, I was shocked.

And every intersection for that date and time that they gave me, Frank Cano came up. For every single intersection, I was shocked.

I mentioned, you know, I do know that he has a friend that's Stephen Gordon.

I mentioned, you know, I do know that he has a friend that's Stephen Gordon.

I mean, even when they're on the freeway.

I mean, even when they're on the freeway.

They were in the same vehicle.

They were in the same vehicle.

Guilty of the crime of felony to... They recommended the death penalty.

Guilty of the crime of felony to... They recommended the death penalty.

All sex offenders on parole, they will have an anklet, a GPS monitor.

All sex offenders on parole, they will have an anklet, a GPS monitor.

All sex offenders on parole, they will have an anklet, a GPS monitor.

All sex offenders on parole, they will have an anklet, a GPS monitor.

And that brings us to deep fakes, which is getting harder for people to tell what is legit and what isn't.

And that brings us to deep fakes, which is getting harder for people to tell what is legit and what isn't.

So how can you spot the deepfake?

So how can you spot the deepfake?

So with AI always evolving, do we have any idea what's next?

So with AI always evolving, do we have any idea what's next?

be mindful, be aware that this technology exists. Vicki, thank you for warning us about these pitfalls and what to expect with this new frontier we're facing. We appreciate it. Great conversation with you, as always. Thanks, Andrea.

be mindful, be aware that this technology exists. Vicki, thank you for warning us about these pitfalls and what to expect with this new frontier we're facing. We appreciate it. Great conversation with you, as always. Thanks, Andrea.

Chloe has been at the tip of the spear on all of the reporting on this. But from a legal standpoint, the question in my mind has always been, will the charges, the criminal charges, be limited to Combs alone or will more people in the alleged conspiracy, as the government describes it, eventually get implicated.

Chloe has been at the tip of the spear on all of the reporting on this. But from a legal standpoint, the question in my mind has always been, will the charges, the criminal charges, be limited to Combs alone or will more people in the alleged conspiracy, as the government describes it, eventually get implicated.

It could be. And if they have their hands on any tapes, that's the kind of thing that is going to be tough for this defense. We know there's a grand jury hearing testimony today. Right now, we know that there's an active investigation going.

It could be. And if they have their hands on any tapes, that's the kind of thing that is going to be tough for this defense. We know there's a grand jury hearing testimony today. Right now, we know that there's an active investigation going.

And I'm always curious how many of the people that the plaintiff's lawyer has talked to have also talked to the government, because talking to a plaintiff's lawyer is very different than going in and talking to the FBI.

And I'm always curious how many of the people that the plaintiff's lawyer has talked to have also talked to the government, because talking to a plaintiff's lawyer is very different than going in and talking to the FBI.

If this entire thing falls apart, and I'm not saying that it's going to, if it does, though, Busby has a real problem with the rest of his cases, right? Because this is now sort of, you went for the king and you missed. If Jay-Z's attorney manages to get this Jane Doe sort of discredited, that's a strategic advantage to comms as well.

If this entire thing falls apart, and I'm not saying that it's going to, if it does, though, Busby has a real problem with the rest of his cases, right? Because this is now sort of, you went for the king and you missed. If Jay-Z's attorney manages to get this Jane Doe sort of discredited, that's a strategic advantage to comms as well.

Yeah. I don't want to make it seem like it's going to be a slam dunk, though, because he has the money and the power to fight this. I do find it odd that he has dropped his effort to get out of prison. Right. I think that's curious. Yeah. Why? Just it's a. losing battle? Well, it's definitely a losing battle, but who cares? He has all the resources in the world.

Yeah. I don't want to make it seem like it's going to be a slam dunk, though, because he has the money and the power to fight this. I do find it odd that he has dropped his effort to get out of prison. Right. I think that's curious. Yeah. Why? Just it's a. losing battle? Well, it's definitely a losing battle, but who cares? He has all the resources in the world.

I mean, he's staying behind bars until this trial is completed. That's months from now.

I mean, he's staying behind bars until this trial is completed. That's months from now.

I think it's worth pointing out that we have a new president coming. We have a new U.S. attorney coming. all of whom can make this case go away pretty quickly and certainly potentially going to make other cases go away. It's a big enough deal and a high profile enough case that it's going to get close scrutiny by the next U.S.

I think it's worth pointing out that we have a new president coming. We have a new U.S. attorney coming. all of whom can make this case go away pretty quickly and certainly potentially going to make other cases go away. It's a big enough deal and a high profile enough case that it's going to get close scrutiny by the next U.S.

attorney who is not somebody who has criminal law experience, who appears to have no connection to Combs whatsoever. But Damian Williams was willing to take on very powerful people and prosecuted senators down to Combs. So it'll be interesting to see whether the change in the in the top prosecutor makes any difference for him. Yeah.

attorney who is not somebody who has criminal law experience, who appears to have no connection to Combs whatsoever. But Damian Williams was willing to take on very powerful people and prosecuted senators down to Combs. So it'll be interesting to see whether the change in the in the top prosecutor makes any difference for him. Yeah.

Already, I think we can get started.

Already, I think we can get started.

They are, and I think part of what's so fascinating about this case is that it obviously gripped everyone in the early 90s because it was really the first time a trial that had been so sensationalized was televised, right? And then it goes dormant for the better part of 30 years, and then there's sort of this resurgence because of a Netflix series called

They are, and I think part of what's so fascinating about this case is that it obviously gripped everyone in the early 90s because it was really the first time a trial that had been so sensationalized was televised, right? And then it goes dormant for the better part of 30 years, and then there's sort of this resurgence because of a Netflix series called

a Peacock documentary, a Max documentary, if I'm not mistaken, too. And so there's like this flurry of activity. And then the DA at the time decides, oh, I think I should support their resentencing. That was a huge moment. New DA comes to town, pulls that support, which was another big moment. And it's sort of all culminating now in this new path for freedom for them.

a Peacock documentary, a Max documentary, if I'm not mistaken, too. And so there's like this flurry of activity. And then the DA at the time decides, oh, I think I should support their resentencing. That was a huge moment. New DA comes to town, pulls that support, which was another big moment. And it's sort of all culminating now in this new path for freedom for them.

Yeah, because their claim fundamentally was not that they didn't do it. Everyone sort of quickly figured out that they did it, and so they had to come clean about that. But part of the explanation was that They endured, they say, years and years of violent, awful sexual abuse at the hands of Jose Menendez, their father.

Yeah, because their claim fundamentally was not that they didn't do it. Everyone sort of quickly figured out that they did it, and so they had to come clean about that. But part of the explanation was that They endured, they say, years and years of violent, awful sexual abuse at the hands of Jose Menendez, their father.

And they had a habeas petition, which, as you know, is trying to get a new trial based on the idea that they went through all of this abuse and so they should be less culpable. Not that they didn't do it, but that they should be less culpable. Yeah.

And they had a habeas petition, which, as you know, is trying to get a new trial based on the idea that they went through all of this abuse and so they should be less culpable. Not that they didn't do it, but that they should be less culpable. Yeah.

And the shame associated with it and sort of the campaign of silence around childhood sexual abuse, I think for boys in particular, has changed dramatically over the past 35 years.

And the shame associated with it and sort of the campaign of silence around childhood sexual abuse, I think for boys in particular, has changed dramatically over the past 35 years.

Yeah, that has sort of provided this springboard for them to take advantage of the law. And the law was there to say, look, people are going to commit crimes. when they're young. And at a certain point, we may decide they're rehabilitated. And it doesn't mean they're going to automatically going to get out. There's going to be a case by case analysis.

Yeah, that has sort of provided this springboard for them to take advantage of the law. And the law was there to say, look, people are going to commit crimes. when they're young. And at a certain point, we may decide they're rehabilitated. And it doesn't mean they're going to automatically going to get out. There's going to be a case by case analysis.

And there's hundreds of these petitions that have come forward. And and they're sort of just one of those cases that we happen to be focused on.

And there's hundreds of these petitions that have come forward. And and they're sort of just one of those cases that we happen to be focused on.

DA Nathan Hockman came into office and then completely withdrew support from the resentencing effort. He thought they had not owned up to their lies. And his sort of party line on this has been, we can't say for sure that their level of dangerousness is zero if they're not willing to fully come clean with all of the ways that they lied.

DA Nathan Hockman came into office and then completely withdrew support from the resentencing effort. He thought they had not owned up to their lies. And his sort of party line on this has been, we can't say for sure that their level of dangerousness is zero if they're not willing to fully come clean with all of the ways that they lied.

It was mostly family members who have been almost universally supportive of the brothers. And remember, these are the cousins of the two people that were murdered. And those family members testified about what a toll this has taken on the family, but they also had people who, you know, had been in prison with them and to talk about the rehabilitation, right? The

It was mostly family members who have been almost universally supportive of the brothers. And remember, these are the cousins of the two people that were murdered. And those family members testified about what a toll this has taken on the family, but they also had people who, you know, had been in prison with them and to talk about the rehabilitation, right? The

Their whole thing is that they've participated in various programs in prison and have been active members of trying to help other people. I did think it was interesting the prosecution didn't put on a single witness.

Their whole thing is that they've participated in various programs in prison and have been active members of trying to help other people. I did think it was interesting the prosecution didn't put on a single witness.

Basically, it was just making arguments that we've heard before about the lies and about the fact that they still, again, in the prosecution's view, had not fully owned up to everything. So we also got to hear from the brothers themselves. If you listen to their allocution, which is when they sort of have a chance to make a little spiel, it's all about I take full responsibility for my actions.

Basically, it was just making arguments that we've heard before about the lies and about the fact that they still, again, in the prosecution's view, had not fully owned up to everything. So we also got to hear from the brothers themselves. If you listen to their allocution, which is when they sort of have a chance to make a little spiel, it's all about I take full responsibility for my actions.

I lied to police. I lied to my family. I'm so sorry. We own it.

I lied to police. I lied to my family. I'm so sorry. We own it.

It was quite emotional, again, because so many family members were there. They're sobbing, listening to the judge announce that resentencing is the right decision here, sobbing when Eric and Lyle are apologizing to them for the damage this has caused their family. I think emotions were really raw. Because, again, they've waited so long for this moment.

It was quite emotional, again, because so many family members were there. They're sobbing, listening to the judge announce that resentencing is the right decision here, sobbing when Eric and Lyle are apologizing to them for the damage this has caused their family. I think emotions were really raw. Because, again, they've waited so long for this moment.

Now this will go to the parole board. They're supposed to get a hearing not more than six months from now. Then the parole board gets to take some time to evaluate the evidence, I think 120 days. And then even after that, Governor Newsom gets a say. And Governor Newsom can decide to approve or reject what the parole board has done.

Now this will go to the parole board. They're supposed to get a hearing not more than six months from now. Then the parole board gets to take some time to evaluate the evidence, I think 120 days. And then even after that, Governor Newsom gets a say. And Governor Newsom can decide to approve or reject what the parole board has done.

So it's Tony. He works at the waterfront.

So it's Tony. He works at the waterfront.

I'll be back when we finally get a word from the parole board.

I'll be back when we finally get a word from the parole board.

Hey, good morning.

Hey, good morning.

Yeah. So I think partly the background here is that there is a relatively new judge on the case who is acting a lot more expeditiously on everything and has a much different approach to sealing. Some judges are very lenient with sealing. Some judges really don't like it. Given that these two surviving roommates are likely going to be called to testify at trial—

Yeah. So I think partly the background here is that there is a relatively new judge on the case who is acting a lot more expeditiously on everything and has a much different approach to sealing. Some judges are very lenient with sealing. Some judges really don't like it. Given that these two surviving roommates are likely going to be called to testify at trial—

I'm sure the judge's position is all of this is going to come out pretty soon anyway. So there's really not the same urgency in keeping it secret. What are the big new things that we've learned from these motions being unsealed?

I'm sure the judge's position is all of this is going to come out pretty soon anyway. So there's really not the same urgency in keeping it secret. What are the big new things that we've learned from these motions being unsealed?

The biggest revelations are the transcript of the 911 call and the text messages that are being sent between the two surviving roommates around four in the morning of the night that the students were killed. And all of that we had never seen before.

The biggest revelations are the transcript of the 911 call and the text messages that are being sent between the two surviving roommates around four in the morning of the night that the students were killed. And all of that we had never seen before.

It's also clear they're not quite sure what they saw. You know, by all accounts, this was a party house, right? There's a lot of people coming in and out. And so I don't think it was that unusual for them to probably see someone that they didn't know in the house. But they were scared enough that it appears from their text messages that they hunker down together in the bedroom.

It's also clear they're not quite sure what they saw. You know, by all accounts, this was a party house, right? There's a lot of people coming in and out. And so I don't think it was that unusual for them to probably see someone that they didn't know in the house. But they were scared enough that it appears from their text messages that they hunker down together in the bedroom.

Because you can see one saying the other, come here, run. And then you don't see them say anything until the next morning around 10.30. They start texting their deceased roommates, not knowing, of course, that they had been killed, saying, please answer. And then they finally call 911.

Because you can see one saying the other, come here, run. And then you don't see them say anything until the next morning around 10.30. They start texting their deceased roommates, not knowing, of course, that they had been killed, saying, please answer. And then they finally call 911.

Yeah. So we knew they called 911, obviously, and we knew when they called, but we hadn't seen... And what becomes clear is at least one or possibly two other individuals and friends come over to the house. They go look and they find Zanna Kernodle's body and they say to the 911 operator, something has happened in our house.

Yeah. So we knew they called 911, obviously, and we knew when they called, but we hadn't seen... And what becomes clear is at least one or possibly two other individuals and friends come over to the house. They go look and they find Zanna Kernodle's body and they say to the 911 operator, something has happened in our house.

We don't know what, but you have to come over here because something has happened. And they say she's not waking up. And you think, like, gosh, they've been stabbed. What a horrific scene they must have seen there. But it's interesting. They don't say that on the 911 tape. And it's just, is it the shock? Was it too overwhelming? Could they not tell right away? It's unclear what's going on there.

We don't know what, but you have to come over here because something has happened. And they say she's not waking up. And you think, like, gosh, they've been stabbed. What a horrific scene they must have seen there. But it's interesting. They don't say that on the 911 tape. And it's just, is it the shock? Was it too overwhelming? Could they not tell right away? It's unclear what's going on there.

But they don't mention any blood on the 911 call either. which I thought was curious, but again, it's hard to know. Is it they're so overwhelmed in the moment or they didn't see?

But they don't mention any blood on the 911 call either. which I thought was curious, but again, it's hard to know. Is it they're so overwhelmed in the moment or they didn't see?

The judge has not yet resolved that motion, so it's going to be interesting to see how he handles it. But given his posture on the other death penalty motions, I think it's going to be an uphill battle for the defense team, also because the state of Idaho does not use death

The judge has not yet resolved that motion, so it's going to be interesting to see how he handles it. But given his posture on the other death penalty motions, I think it's going to be an uphill battle for the defense team, also because the state of Idaho does not use death

mental difference or disability or illness as a way of changing the culpability of somebody's mental state when it comes to a case like this. And so it's not, at least so far, been a grounds to get the death penalty stricken in Idaho.

mental difference or disability or illness as a way of changing the culpability of somebody's mental state when it comes to a case like this. And so it's not, at least so far, been a grounds to get the death penalty stricken in Idaho.

Yeah, they want to limit the use of the word murderer, which you can imagine a prosecutor is going to fight that because they were going to use that in closing as in openings. They also want to limit the use of the word psychopath and sociopath, which in my mind are like metaphors. medical definitions that actually have specific meanings.

Yeah, they want to limit the use of the word murderer, which you can imagine a prosecutor is going to fight that because they were going to use that in closing as in openings. They also want to limit the use of the word psychopath and sociopath, which in my mind are like metaphors. medical definitions that actually have specific meanings.

And so I'm not sure that the prosecutors would have intended to use those terms anyway. And then they also want to keep out the phrase bushy eyebrows, which is going to be a big fight. The surviving roommates, at least one of them, reported to authorities that she saw a masked man with bushy eyebrows.

And so I'm not sure that the prosecutors would have intended to use those terms anyway. And then they also want to keep out the phrase bushy eyebrows, which is going to be a big fight. The surviving roommates, at least one of them, reported to authorities that she saw a masked man with bushy eyebrows.

That's going to become an important fact, I think, later on at trial, as that's sort of the only person who's still living that's going to be able to ID Brian Koberger in some way. Now, of course, bushy eyebrows, it's not like a tattoo or a birthmark or something. There's lots of people with bushy eyebrows, and I'm sure he's going to say that's not enough to ID him.

That's going to become an important fact, I think, later on at trial, as that's sort of the only person who's still living that's going to be able to ID Brian Koberger in some way. Now, of course, bushy eyebrows, it's not like a tattoo or a birthmark or something. There's lots of people with bushy eyebrows, and I'm sure he's going to say that's not enough to ID him.

But that's really all authorities have for someone spotting him in the house. And so there's going to be a fight about that.

But that's really all authorities have for someone spotting him in the house. And so there's going to be a fight about that.

I would think in at least the next few weeks or so, because so much of this just has to get wrapped up to keep the trial date, which the judge intends to keep at least so far. And it seems like, you know, August is a while out from right now. But these these things have a way of taking a while. And so I would imagine the judge is going to get all of this wrapped up pretty soon.

I would think in at least the next few weeks or so, because so much of this just has to get wrapped up to keep the trial date, which the judge intends to keep at least so far. And it seems like, you know, August is a while out from right now. But these these things have a way of taking a while. And so I would imagine the judge is going to get all of this wrapped up pretty soon.

We're talking about losing my hour of light.

We're talking about losing my hour of light.

Already, I think we can get started.

Already, I think we can get started.

They are, and I think part of what's so fascinating about this case is that it obviously gripped everyone in the early 90s because it was really the first time a trial that had been so sensationalized was televised, right? And then it goes dormant for the better part of 30 years, and then there's sort of this resurgence because of a Netflix series called

They are, and I think part of what's so fascinating about this case is that it obviously gripped everyone in the early 90s because it was really the first time a trial that had been so sensationalized was televised, right? And then it goes dormant for the better part of 30 years, and then there's sort of this resurgence because of a Netflix series called

a Peacock documentary, a Max documentary, if I'm not mistaken, too. And so there's like this flurry of activity. And then the DA at the time decides, oh, I think I should support their resentencing. That was a huge moment. New DA comes to town, pulls that support, which was another big moment. And it's sort of all culminating now in this new path for freedom for them.

a Peacock documentary, a Max documentary, if I'm not mistaken, too. And so there's like this flurry of activity. And then the DA at the time decides, oh, I think I should support their resentencing. That was a huge moment. New DA comes to town, pulls that support, which was another big moment. And it's sort of all culminating now in this new path for freedom for them.

Yeah, because their claim fundamentally was not that they didn't do it. Everyone sort of quickly figured out that they did it, and so they had to come clean about that. But part of the explanation was that They endured, they say, years and years of violent, awful sexual abuse at the hands of Jose Menendez, their father.

Yeah, because their claim fundamentally was not that they didn't do it. Everyone sort of quickly figured out that they did it, and so they had to come clean about that. But part of the explanation was that They endured, they say, years and years of violent, awful sexual abuse at the hands of Jose Menendez, their father.

And they had a habeas petition, which, as you know, is trying to get a new trial based on the idea that they went through all of this abuse and so they should be less culpable. Not that they didn't do it, but that they should be less culpable. Yeah.

And they had a habeas petition, which, as you know, is trying to get a new trial based on the idea that they went through all of this abuse and so they should be less culpable. Not that they didn't do it, but that they should be less culpable. Yeah.

And the shame associated with it and sort of the campaign of silence around childhood sexual abuse, I think for boys in particular, has changed dramatically over the past 35 years.

And the shame associated with it and sort of the campaign of silence around childhood sexual abuse, I think for boys in particular, has changed dramatically over the past 35 years.

Yeah, that has sort of provided this springboard for them to take advantage of the law. And the law was there to say, look, people are going to commit crimes. when they're young. And at a certain point, we may decide they're rehabilitated. And it doesn't mean they're going to automatically going to get out. There's going to be a case by case analysis.

Yeah, that has sort of provided this springboard for them to take advantage of the law. And the law was there to say, look, people are going to commit crimes. when they're young. And at a certain point, we may decide they're rehabilitated. And it doesn't mean they're going to automatically going to get out. There's going to be a case by case analysis.

And there's hundreds of these petitions that have come forward. And and they're sort of just one of those cases that we happen to be focused on.

And there's hundreds of these petitions that have come forward. And and they're sort of just one of those cases that we happen to be focused on.

DA Nathan Hockman came into office and then completely withdrew support from the resentencing effort. He thought they had not owned up to their lies. And his sort of party line on this has been, we can't say for sure that their level of dangerousness is zero if they're not willing to fully come clean with all of the ways that they lied.

DA Nathan Hockman came into office and then completely withdrew support from the resentencing effort. He thought they had not owned up to their lies. And his sort of party line on this has been, we can't say for sure that their level of dangerousness is zero if they're not willing to fully come clean with all of the ways that they lied.

It was mostly family members who have been almost universally supportive of the brothers. And remember, these are the cousins of the two people that were murdered. And those family members testified about what a toll this has taken on the family, but they also had people who, you know, had been in prison with them and to talk about the rehabilitation, right? The

It was mostly family members who have been almost universally supportive of the brothers. And remember, these are the cousins of the two people that were murdered. And those family members testified about what a toll this has taken on the family, but they also had people who, you know, had been in prison with them and to talk about the rehabilitation, right? The

Their whole thing is that they've participated in various programs in prison and have been active members of trying to help other people. I did think it was interesting the prosecution didn't put on a single witness.

Their whole thing is that they've participated in various programs in prison and have been active members of trying to help other people. I did think it was interesting the prosecution didn't put on a single witness.

Basically, it was just making arguments that we've heard before about the lies and about the fact that they still, again, in the prosecution's view, had not fully owned up to everything. So we also got to hear from the brothers themselves. If you listen to their allocution, which is when they sort of have a chance to make a little spiel, it's all about I take full responsibility for my actions.

Basically, it was just making arguments that we've heard before about the lies and about the fact that they still, again, in the prosecution's view, had not fully owned up to everything. So we also got to hear from the brothers themselves. If you listen to their allocution, which is when they sort of have a chance to make a little spiel, it's all about I take full responsibility for my actions.

I lied to police. I lied to my family. I'm so sorry. We own it.

I lied to police. I lied to my family. I'm so sorry. We own it.

It was quite emotional, again, because so many family members were there. They're sobbing, listening to the judge announce that resentencing is the right decision here, sobbing when Eric and Lyle are apologizing to them for the damage this has caused their family. I think emotions were really raw. Because, again, they've waited so long for this moment.

It was quite emotional, again, because so many family members were there. They're sobbing, listening to the judge announce that resentencing is the right decision here, sobbing when Eric and Lyle are apologizing to them for the damage this has caused their family. I think emotions were really raw. Because, again, they've waited so long for this moment.

Now this will go to the parole board. They're supposed to get a hearing not more than six months from now. Then the parole board gets to take some time to evaluate the evidence, I think 120 days. And then even after that, Governor Newsom gets a say. And Governor Newsom can decide to approve or reject what the parole board has done.

Now this will go to the parole board. They're supposed to get a hearing not more than six months from now. Then the parole board gets to take some time to evaluate the evidence, I think 120 days. And then even after that, Governor Newsom gets a say. And Governor Newsom can decide to approve or reject what the parole board has done.

So it's Tony. He works at the waterfront.

So it's Tony. He works at the waterfront.

I'll be back when we finally get a word from the parole board.

I'll be back when we finally get a word from the parole board.

Hey, good morning.

Hey, good morning.

Yeah. So I think partly the background here is that there is a relatively new judge on the case who is acting a lot more expeditiously on everything and has a much different approach to sealing. Some judges are very lenient with sealing. Some judges really don't like it. Given that these two surviving roommates are likely going to be called to testify at trial—

Yeah. So I think partly the background here is that there is a relatively new judge on the case who is acting a lot more expeditiously on everything and has a much different approach to sealing. Some judges are very lenient with sealing. Some judges really don't like it. Given that these two surviving roommates are likely going to be called to testify at trial—

I'm sure the judge's position is all of this is going to come out pretty soon anyway. So there's really not the same urgency in keeping it secret. What are the big new things that we've learned from these motions being unsealed?

I'm sure the judge's position is all of this is going to come out pretty soon anyway. So there's really not the same urgency in keeping it secret. What are the big new things that we've learned from these motions being unsealed?

The biggest revelations are the transcript of the 911 call and the text messages that are being sent between the two surviving roommates around four in the morning of the night that the students were killed. And all of that we had never seen before.

The biggest revelations are the transcript of the 911 call and the text messages that are being sent between the two surviving roommates around four in the morning of the night that the students were killed. And all of that we had never seen before.

It's also clear they're not quite sure what they saw. You know, by all accounts, this was a party house, right? There's a lot of people coming in and out. And so I don't think it was that unusual for them to probably see someone that they didn't know in the house. But they were scared enough that it appears from their text messages that they hunker down together in the bedroom.

It's also clear they're not quite sure what they saw. You know, by all accounts, this was a party house, right? There's a lot of people coming in and out. And so I don't think it was that unusual for them to probably see someone that they didn't know in the house. But they were scared enough that it appears from their text messages that they hunker down together in the bedroom.

Because you can see one saying the other, come here, run. And then you don't see them say anything until the next morning around 10.30. They start texting their deceased roommates, not knowing, of course, that they had been killed, saying, please answer. And then they finally call 911.

Because you can see one saying the other, come here, run. And then you don't see them say anything until the next morning around 10.30. They start texting their deceased roommates, not knowing, of course, that they had been killed, saying, please answer. And then they finally call 911.

Yeah. So we knew they called 911, obviously, and we knew when they called, but we hadn't seen... And what becomes clear is at least one or possibly two other individuals and friends come over to the house. They go look and they find Zanna Kernodle's body and they say to the 911 operator, something has happened in our house.

Yeah. So we knew they called 911, obviously, and we knew when they called, but we hadn't seen... And what becomes clear is at least one or possibly two other individuals and friends come over to the house. They go look and they find Zanna Kernodle's body and they say to the 911 operator, something has happened in our house.

We don't know what, but you have to come over here because something has happened. And they say she's not waking up. And you think, like, gosh, they've been stabbed. What a horrific scene they must have seen there. But it's interesting. They don't say that on the 911 tape. And it's just, is it the shock? Was it too overwhelming? Could they not tell right away? It's unclear what's going on there.

We don't know what, but you have to come over here because something has happened. And they say she's not waking up. And you think, like, gosh, they've been stabbed. What a horrific scene they must have seen there. But it's interesting. They don't say that on the 911 tape. And it's just, is it the shock? Was it too overwhelming? Could they not tell right away? It's unclear what's going on there.

But they don't mention any blood on the 911 call either. which I thought was curious, but again, it's hard to know. Is it they're so overwhelmed in the moment or they didn't see?

But they don't mention any blood on the 911 call either. which I thought was curious, but again, it's hard to know. Is it they're so overwhelmed in the moment or they didn't see?

The judge has not yet resolved that motion, so it's going to be interesting to see how he handles it. But given his posture on the other death penalty motions, I think it's going to be an uphill battle for the defense team, also because the state of Idaho does not use death

The judge has not yet resolved that motion, so it's going to be interesting to see how he handles it. But given his posture on the other death penalty motions, I think it's going to be an uphill battle for the defense team, also because the state of Idaho does not use death

mental difference or disability or illness as a way of changing the culpability of somebody's mental state when it comes to a case like this. And so it's not, at least so far, been a grounds to get the death penalty stricken in Idaho.

mental difference or disability or illness as a way of changing the culpability of somebody's mental state when it comes to a case like this. And so it's not, at least so far, been a grounds to get the death penalty stricken in Idaho.

Yeah, they want to limit the use of the word murderer, which you can imagine a prosecutor is going to fight that because they were going to use that in closing as in openings. They also want to limit the use of the word psychopath and sociopath, which in my mind are like metaphors. medical definitions that actually have specific meanings.

Yeah, they want to limit the use of the word murderer, which you can imagine a prosecutor is going to fight that because they were going to use that in closing as in openings. They also want to limit the use of the word psychopath and sociopath, which in my mind are like metaphors. medical definitions that actually have specific meanings.

And so I'm not sure that the prosecutors would have intended to use those terms anyway. And then they also want to keep out the phrase bushy eyebrows, which is going to be a big fight. The surviving roommates, at least one of them, reported to authorities that she saw a masked man with bushy eyebrows.

And so I'm not sure that the prosecutors would have intended to use those terms anyway. And then they also want to keep out the phrase bushy eyebrows, which is going to be a big fight. The surviving roommates, at least one of them, reported to authorities that she saw a masked man with bushy eyebrows.

That's going to become an important fact, I think, later on at trial, as that's sort of the only person who's still living that's going to be able to ID Brian Koberger in some way. Now, of course, bushy eyebrows, it's not like a tattoo or a birthmark or something. There's lots of people with bushy eyebrows, and I'm sure he's going to say that's not enough to ID him.

That's going to become an important fact, I think, later on at trial, as that's sort of the only person who's still living that's going to be able to ID Brian Koberger in some way. Now, of course, bushy eyebrows, it's not like a tattoo or a birthmark or something. There's lots of people with bushy eyebrows, and I'm sure he's going to say that's not enough to ID him.

But that's really all authorities have for someone spotting him in the house. And so there's going to be a fight about that.

But that's really all authorities have for someone spotting him in the house. And so there's going to be a fight about that.

I would think in at least the next few weeks or so, because so much of this just has to get wrapped up to keep the trial date, which the judge intends to keep at least so far. And it seems like, you know, August is a while out from right now. But these these things have a way of taking a while. And so I would imagine the judge is going to get all of this wrapped up pretty soon.

I would think in at least the next few weeks or so, because so much of this just has to get wrapped up to keep the trial date, which the judge intends to keep at least so far. And it seems like, you know, August is a while out from right now. But these these things have a way of taking a while. And so I would imagine the judge is going to get all of this wrapped up pretty soon.

We're talking about losing my hour of light.

We're talking about losing my hour of light.

Already, I think we can get started.

They are, and I think part of what's so fascinating about this case is that it obviously gripped everyone in the early 90s because it was really the first time a trial that had been so sensationalized was televised, right? And then it goes dormant for the better part of 30 years, and then there's sort of this resurgence because of a Netflix series called

a Peacock documentary, a Max documentary, if I'm not mistaken, too. And so there's like this flurry of activity. And then the DA at the time decides, oh, I think I should support their resentencing. That was a huge moment. New DA comes to town, pulls that support, which was another big moment. And it's sort of all culminating now in this new path for freedom for them.

Yeah, because their claim fundamentally was not that they didn't do it. Everyone sort of quickly figured out that they did it, and so they had to come clean about that. But part of the explanation was that They endured, they say, years and years of violent, awful sexual abuse at the hands of Jose Menendez, their father.

And they had a habeas petition, which, as you know, is trying to get a new trial based on the idea that they went through all of this abuse and so they should be less culpable. Not that they didn't do it, but that they should be less culpable. Yeah.

And the shame associated with it and sort of the campaign of silence around childhood sexual abuse, I think for boys in particular, has changed dramatically over the past 35 years.

Yeah, that has sort of provided this springboard for them to take advantage of the law. And the law was there to say, look, people are going to commit crimes. when they're young. And at a certain point, we may decide they're rehabilitated. And it doesn't mean they're going to automatically going to get out. There's going to be a case by case analysis.

And there's hundreds of these petitions that have come forward. And and they're sort of just one of those cases that we happen to be focused on.

DA Nathan Hockman came into office and then completely withdrew support from the resentencing effort. He thought they had not owned up to their lies. And his sort of party line on this has been, we can't say for sure that their level of dangerousness is zero if they're not willing to fully come clean with all of the ways that they lied.

It was mostly family members who have been almost universally supportive of the brothers. And remember, these are the cousins of the two people that were murdered. And those family members testified about what a toll this has taken on the family, but they also had people who, you know, had been in prison with them and to talk about the rehabilitation, right? The

Their whole thing is that they've participated in various programs in prison and have been active members of trying to help other people. I did think it was interesting the prosecution didn't put on a single witness.

Basically, it was just making arguments that we've heard before about the lies and about the fact that they still, again, in the prosecution's view, had not fully owned up to everything. So we also got to hear from the brothers themselves. If you listen to their allocution, which is when they sort of have a chance to make a little spiel, it's all about I take full responsibility for my actions.

I lied to police. I lied to my family. I'm so sorry. We own it.

It was quite emotional, again, because so many family members were there. They're sobbing, listening to the judge announce that resentencing is the right decision here, sobbing when Eric and Lyle are apologizing to them for the damage this has caused their family. I think emotions were really raw. Because, again, they've waited so long for this moment.

Now this will go to the parole board. They're supposed to get a hearing not more than six months from now. Then the parole board gets to take some time to evaluate the evidence, I think 120 days. And then even after that, Governor Newsom gets a say. And Governor Newsom can decide to approve or reject what the parole board has done.

So it's Tony. He works at the waterfront.

I'll be back when we finally get a word from the parole board.

Hey, good morning.

Yeah. So I think partly the background here is that there is a relatively new judge on the case who is acting a lot more expeditiously on everything and has a much different approach to sealing. Some judges are very lenient with sealing. Some judges really don't like it. Given that these two surviving roommates are likely going to be called to testify at trial—

I'm sure the judge's position is all of this is going to come out pretty soon anyway. So there's really not the same urgency in keeping it secret. What are the big new things that we've learned from these motions being unsealed?

The biggest revelations are the transcript of the 911 call and the text messages that are being sent between the two surviving roommates around four in the morning of the night that the students were killed. And all of that we had never seen before.

It's also clear they're not quite sure what they saw. You know, by all accounts, this was a party house, right? There's a lot of people coming in and out. And so I don't think it was that unusual for them to probably see someone that they didn't know in the house. But they were scared enough that it appears from their text messages that they hunker down together in the bedroom.

Because you can see one saying the other, come here, run. And then you don't see them say anything until the next morning around 10.30. They start texting their deceased roommates, not knowing, of course, that they had been killed, saying, please answer. And then they finally call 911.

Yeah. So we knew they called 911, obviously, and we knew when they called, but we hadn't seen... And what becomes clear is at least one or possibly two other individuals and friends come over to the house. They go look and they find Zanna Kernodle's body and they say to the 911 operator, something has happened in our house.

We don't know what, but you have to come over here because something has happened. And they say she's not waking up. And you think, like, gosh, they've been stabbed. What a horrific scene they must have seen there. But it's interesting. They don't say that on the 911 tape. And it's just, is it the shock? Was it too overwhelming? Could they not tell right away? It's unclear what's going on there.

But they don't mention any blood on the 911 call either. which I thought was curious, but again, it's hard to know. Is it they're so overwhelmed in the moment or they didn't see?

The judge has not yet resolved that motion, so it's going to be interesting to see how he handles it. But given his posture on the other death penalty motions, I think it's going to be an uphill battle for the defense team, also because the state of Idaho does not use death

mental difference or disability or illness as a way of changing the culpability of somebody's mental state when it comes to a case like this. And so it's not, at least so far, been a grounds to get the death penalty stricken in Idaho.

Yeah, they want to limit the use of the word murderer, which you can imagine a prosecutor is going to fight that because they were going to use that in closing as in openings. They also want to limit the use of the word psychopath and sociopath, which in my mind are like metaphors. medical definitions that actually have specific meanings.

And so I'm not sure that the prosecutors would have intended to use those terms anyway. And then they also want to keep out the phrase bushy eyebrows, which is going to be a big fight. The surviving roommates, at least one of them, reported to authorities that she saw a masked man with bushy eyebrows.

That's going to become an important fact, I think, later on at trial, as that's sort of the only person who's still living that's going to be able to ID Brian Koberger in some way. Now, of course, bushy eyebrows, it's not like a tattoo or a birthmark or something. There's lots of people with bushy eyebrows, and I'm sure he's going to say that's not enough to ID him.

But that's really all authorities have for someone spotting him in the house. And so there's going to be a fight about that.

I would think in at least the next few weeks or so, because so much of this just has to get wrapped up to keep the trial date, which the judge intends to keep at least so far. And it seems like, you know, August is a while out from right now. But these these things have a way of taking a while. And so I would imagine the judge is going to get all of this wrapped up pretty soon.

We're talking about losing my hour of light.