Lauryn Bosstick

Everything's wipes. Everything's wipes all day long. Their hands, everything... The wipes have triclosan in them and they don't say it on the package. And I went and did a deep dive. No, they only say one thing.

One. It's so conniving. Um, But that's something you're going to use all day long. It's worth looking into. If you're going to use a lip gloss that has stuff in it and you only use it a couple times a week, I don't think it's as gnarly to look into as a toilet paper, a toothpaste.

I gotta try it. They're really good. I also really like Flaming Hot Cheetos. That's another toxic trait of mine.

Listen, I, and when I'm not pregnant, I like tequila. Like I. Yeah. But tequila's like natural. I like something that... It's plant-based. Yeah, I guess. I definitely like to... I don't know if balance is the right word, but... Blend. Blend. The daily habits are where you should look. Yeah. That you're doing every day, all day long. Okay. I have my homework.

Yeah, you definitely change when you become a mother, don't you? You have limited capacity for bullshit.

I have been podcasting for nine years, but you podcast five days a week. Yes, yes, yes.

We were doing three, and then it's gone down now to two. And I think that's fine because it gives it a little air, a little breath. We also don't do pop culture every day like you guys do. If we did that, I feel like you guys are almost like a news station. Yeah. Like, I rely on you for my pop culture celebrity influencer news. Yeah. If we were doing that, I think we would need to do more.

But ours are more interview-based shows.

I hope. I mean, listen, it's a non-judgmental space where we let people's opinions rip. Do I agree with every single person we have on the show? No. But I don't want to go to dinner with a table that I agree with. And I've said this many times. I like having colorful people around me. Yeah. I'm very, very into like quirky people and different opinions and not agreeing with everyone.

I feel like it makes life fun. So that's kind of what the podcast is.

Okay.

I'll give you an example. We just had the medical medium on. He had some wild ideas, but he was so comfortable and confident in himself. And I think that comes through. It's hard when you get someone, and you know this, that is guarded. They have a PR team. They only want to talk about certain things. They want to keep you in this maze of like...

So, so accurate. The patience goes to the children. Yeah. But I find, and don't you find that you're more efficient and productive when you have that lack of patience for anyone but your children? Yes, I do. I feel like I'm so much more just like driven and focused. Yes, because you have to squeeze every second out of the orange if you have a moment to yourself. Like,

the corn they just like want to speak without saying anything and they just want to like run the clock almost it's boring yeah like you're on a mic yeah so you you have to have the balls in my opinion to just be yourself and and the funny thing is the audience and your audience knows this too like they can smell it when it's like a pr yeah by my book situation yeah it

I think that the ones that do the best, the podcast hosts and guests are the ones that show up and they're not thinking, oh my God, what are all these people going to think of me? Yeah. But don't you feel like you like that in real life too? Because for me, like a refreshing person is someone who's... like not so guarded and like, I don't know.

I want someone, I hate the word real is not right, but just like, it's refreshing to just be like raw and candid. And like to be an individual. Wow. It's really refreshing to be an individual or to speak with one. It's, Literally. But also to be an individual, it's actually, it is a nice experience. It's amazing having your own ideas and like not everyone's going to like you and that's okay. Yeah.

I think when it comes to me and you and Claude, I feel like we were born to be on a mic. I am not born to be modeling on Instagram. It's not my forte. I think that I am most comfortable talking over sharing. I'm curious. I want to interview people. I want to know what's in their medicine cabinet. and what's in their pantry. That's just my nature. So a podcast feels very natural.

If that's not your nature and you're really good at an Instagram feed or stories or TikTok, you should double down on where you're really good at. You and Claude, your essence to me is... Through a mic.

And there's something really nice about a conversation flowing in the right way. Like, you know, when you have a good guest on. Yeah. And you're like. It's just like you can put a piece of hay in your tooth and sit back and relax. And it requires a person who loves to talk and be on a mic and knows how to... I always say it's like a ping pong match. Yeah. It's an art. Yeah.

I just had a three-hour flight, and you better bet your ass I returned 6,000 emails and text messages and, like, fired shots. Yeah. Because you don't get that time.

Will there be meat here? I think it depends. Have I gotten nervous in episodes before? Yes. But also, I think that I just try to show up really, really neutral. Like for the guest. Yeah. Like I'm trying not to have an agenda. I'm trying to just let them be on stage. I put the guest on stage and I want them to look their best.

And I mean, if they like if they mess up on that, like we're not it's not really like a gotcha show. No, not at all. Yeah. I'm not trying to like put them in this position where they look bad. I want them to look great. Yeah. But sometimes that doesn't always happen. Yeah. I try to support that.

Yeah. I'm like, you're a queen of the mic. Oh my gosh, thank you so much. You and Claude, I mean, you guys have no easy feat to be on a mic five days a week. I was asking you off air if you guys get sick of each other or if like you don't have a lot to talk about and you're like, no.

recap it for everyone all the time and now I just feel like everyone's even more a part of our lives because they're like watching us keep up with each other yep and also when she becomes a mother too oh yeah it's gonna be like it's gonna be so cool to see you guys like even as like a viewer from an outside perspective of you both because I've been a fan for a long time

I feel like I've been... How long ago was that episode that we did around the huge table? That was like 2017. Okay, so that's a lot of years. Yeah. Not great at math. That's... I know that. Eight years or something? Yeah. I mean, I've been a fan for a long time and to see...

batching i try and stacking i bet can you stack i batch and i stack i'm like i need to walk on the treadmill and answer emails and i'm going to do neither of those things i'm not walking on the treadmill answering emails at this moment right now okay that makes us all feel better yeah no no no no no no like a lot of stuff is happening and also with michael's complaints about his back pain right now i can barely like squeeze in a moment for myself right but it hurts

Okay. I just finished Hilaria Baldwin's book. It just came out. It's called Manual Not Included. Is she coming on your show? She's not. Okay. But she can if she wants. She has seven kids. Yeah. And she gave this tip about breastfeeding. And I feel like we should listen to her. She has seven kids that she's breastfed. And she was doing two at once. Tandem. Not the tandem. So gnarly. And she says...

And I don't know a ton about breastfeeding, so everyone could tell me in the comments if this is true or not. She says that she would pump every 30 minutes for only three minutes. Is that true? That's a thing. It's like power pumping to stimulate your boobs to make more milk. She never ever had to actually pump for milk. She was just stimulating them.

It was all day long because she would stimulate just for three minutes. She said it's way more efficient to just do it every 30 minutes for three minutes. Put it down.

Okay. What do you use? I think I fucked so long ago. I got the one that Amanda Hirsch from Not Skinny Not Fat told me to get it. I think it's the one that like is the to-go one. LV. LV. I'm going to text it to you so we can put it in the show notes.

Both times I've used Enfamil. I don't have any judgment about formula. I don't know enough about it. I don't know. This is like an area that I'm not, I don't give advice.

Yeah, I'm sure they did too. But isn't it fascinating to think about? It's out of control. What's so crazy to me is after I gave birth to Zaza, my first daughter, is that like you go through all this with your body and it's so intense and it's every single facet literally of your body basically. And then they're like, okay, breastfeed. And for me, it was like overwhelming.

He is one that likes to show his inner monologue. So, like, I have to hear the whole narration of every single butthole hair.

I was like, oh my God, I've just had every facet stretched. Yeah. And then it's like... And this is like the worst one yet.

That's really interesting because I remember putting those hot packs on my boobs. Yeah, but now the thinking is cold. Well, I feel like you should do like a breastfeeding post. You seem to know like a lot about it. No, I really got in the weeds with it.

Do what's it called? Yeah, do you put something in there? I didn't. So you just do the baby on a sheet? Yeah, like just in the crook. And you lay rigor mortis like you're like on your back. Or like C style, like where you're like cuddled in. And that's so nice to wake up to.

I just like, I have this really like crazy, and this isn't crazy, but like I just wouldn't want any electronics around the baby's head. Yeah. Because here's a crunchy mom thing. I'm learning so much about how like the Wi-Fi and the EMF, like baby's heads are obviously softer than adults. And so the EMF like goes into their brain easier. Yeah. Interesting. They have such a soft school.

And listen, don't quote me. Go read about it. Do you have the thing on the back of your phone? I do. I have the thing on my phone. I've been targeted so many times. I've made a cart so many times. I just like- I re-bought it. I love it. You love it? Yeah. I should get one. It's a little sticker. Yeah. I think, listen, anything that can help helps.

Yeah, I'm a little bit silent. I can sometimes complain to him a little bit, but I'm a pretty silent sufferer. So, when he's complaining, I'm just like, oh, my God, this is your whole thought process. It's just a lot. Oh, that is a lot.

My Kindle's on airplane mode, but I just, like if I'm co-sleeping, I think I would have to read a hard book. Like, I don't think I would want to read a Kindle.

And that's fine. That's fine. And that was fine. Yeah. I just, like, I'm, like, learning so much about the cell phone.

Don't sleep with that phone. And by the way, I want to say this. I used 10 years ago, I used to sleep with my phone next to my head. So this is not judgment. We've all done it. I sleep with my phone now outside of the room on airplane mode. I saw you just did an interview in the cut. I was just reading it. I'm so serious about that. But this is 10 years of figuring it out.

It was not something I just woke up with. Okay. And I just feel like it's too much on the nervous system. And I don't know. We just don't know enough about it to be sleeping next to your head. Yeah. Okay. But I'm not the expert.

I think ritual is just like simple and it just gets the job done. And it's like, you know what you're getting. Yeah. Yeah. That's overwhelming too, the prenatal. Yeah. It's all overwhelming though. It is. Yeah. Every single person has the intention to do their best for their child. This is what I've learned.

So if they're giving their child something that's perceived as bad, there's an intention usually there that's good. So we're all trying to do our best. Yeah.

You know, with school too, like it's impossible. It's like, is it private? Is it public? Is it homeschool? Is it this? Is it that? Do you want them on screens all the time? Or do you want them in an entrepreneurial school? It's on it. Like, it's just, it's, it's not easy. Yeah. It's a lot of different choices. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there's one right way.

There's a lot of different ways to skin a cat. And every child is different. They're all different. They need different things. Yeah. Yeah. I think you just got to really pick and choose, but there's not a perfect option. Yeah. I think you sacrifice in any area. Yeah. But the phone thing, I've been thinking a lot about where it's going next.

I know that's very weird, but I don't want to be put... You know how when you're carrying your baby and it's right... Yeah. Or like they're sleeping and it's like right here. It's too much. I want it away. Yeah. I don't know if that's like just something that is happening this pregnancy. Yeah.

And then you just listen to it. Yeah. It's probably best. And don't you feel like when you're done with work, like you just want to put your phone away because you've been on it all day?

No, I feel like it's like 85% non-toxic and the rest is maybe toxic. That's good because I was going to ask like, what are your toxic traits?

You did not tell me that you don't go on TikTok. I don't either. You don't.

either i wouldn't know neither of us would know because we're not on tiktok well i'm on tiktok like you have a brand like but your team runs it um i send my team what i want to post in the caption so i like will micromanage the content and send it to them but that's perfect i don't like i don't go on there oh this whole pregnancy

TikTok feels like the Daily Mail. It's a bunch of stuff that I don't... Like you just said, don't know that I need to know. You don't need to know it. I don't need to know. But also, the second I got pregnant and I went on there, I'm really big on listening to my intuition. And there was something that was like... It was very low vibration. It didn't feel like... It didn't feel good.

No, it's not making you better. No. And I know you like I would be like programming in my phone and be like, Louise, hey, affirmations are like trying to get like stuff that I wanted. But still, you just see a bunch of shit that you don't need to see.

Yeah, I don't know. There's something about it that doesn't feel uplifting. I wouldn't say it's uplifting. I think that's a great way to put it. No. And also, my friend has a great rule. He only goes on TikTok when he's on the Stairmaster. And he's on the Stairmaster- So he's earning it. Yeah, so he's earning it.

And I think he does the Stairmaster twice a week for 30 minutes, and that's his TikTok. And if you can create boundaries around it, great. That's good. The endorphins outweigh the low vibrations. Yeah. I mean, I just don't, I don't know. Maybe I'll feel different after I'm pregnant, but as of this moment, I can't do it.

I'm like, I'm like, I'm, I'm at the party, but I'm not at the party.

Well, when I was a little girl, my dad used to tell me, don't read your own press clippings. And the problem with TikTok is when you get in those comments, you're reading your own press clippings. And I'm not just talking about negative comments. I'm also talking about comments that suck your ass.

What's not organic? So I use normal makeup. Okay. I try to like reach for Lawless because I like the brand, but I do use normal makeup. No, it's hard. Like I love NARS. I love NARS. I love NARS. I love like the Lady Gaga makeup. I forgot. House Labs. Love that. Like I love normal makeup. I haven't switched there. Okay. I also dye my hair pregnant. Oh, okay.

Yeah. where people are going to have such purposeful boundaries around the phone. I really think that the pendulum is going to swing and like people are going to do exactly what you're saying. They're turning off things. They're setting up guardrails, notifications. The fact that like you can just text someone and you expect a response in two minutes is wild. You won't get one from me. It's wild.

Yeah. Sometimes I'm like, I'm so sorry I didn't see this six months ago.

Just so you know, you could literally text me a year later and anyone out there, I will never be mad. Okay, that's good to know. People think it's so personally and I know it's so offensive.

I mean, I don't understand. I am literally living my real life and being present with my children. And it's nothing personal. And I don't expect it back from you when I send it right away. And if you miss something and you miss an event, you do what you can do.

I literally just thought... Okay, so it's Mother's Day yesterday. I don't want to complain about Mother's Day. I'm like, thank you, thank you. And then my birthday's two weeks later.

sit down I'm like but you want to like be like like hey how are you happy mother's day to you how's your day what'd you guys do the worst is when it's like happy birthday like it's someone you haven't talked to in like years like someone from high school or something happy birthday and then it's like and then it's like how are you and I'm like oh yeah

You know what has solved a lot of my problems? Two things. Voicing the text. Talk to text. I talk to text all day long. That's how I run my whole business. So formal. Like confirming receipt. We'll be back to you soon. My assistant is printing out all my voice to text notes for like the funny ones for my birthday, she said. And there's so many things that are wrong because your voice to text.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's really good. But I also got a keyboard. This is how much I hate texting. I got a keyboard and you put the phone in the keyboard. And you type on the phone back. So I go to the foot spa with the keyboard and I respond for an hour to as many texts as I can on the keyboard because I cannot be typing little, little. There's something about it.

I don't expect to text back either.

Yes. And also like if someone wants to spike my cortisol to six thousand, say following up. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, fuck, I'm a piece of shit. Following up is really like condescending energy. It is. And it makes me feel like. Kindly following up. What if it's kind, though? It still hurts. I almost would rather just do, like, let me know. Or just, like, pretend like you never asked and ask again.

So, I mean, I'm dyeing my hair. I definitely ordered McDonald's three days ago. Cheeseburger, just cheese and meat. Happy meal. Happy hour. Okay. So I love McDonald's. I don't do it all the time, but I do it and I'm a slob about it. Like I'll do it in bed. I have a bed tray. Like I have the best bed tray. Yeah, but we only see it like loaded with like tea. No, it's not always loaded with tea.

Be like, hey. Or, like, no worries if you can't do it, but just let me know is fine. Yeah. But the following up, I'm, like, sweating with hives.

You have so many things. It all started with the ice roller. The ice roller is really like the iconic like cult classic because I really think we reiterated on it to make it better and prettier, which is what we try to do. And from there, it's gone into like a travel roller and a dry brush. The balls. I like the balls. The balls grip your face.

It's so funny because on your podcast before we had the product line, we talked so much about lymphatic drainage.

It's so natural. I think your audience, and I think it was your audience, I'm almost positive, thought that I would name my firstborn lymphatic bostic. That's so funny.

Yeah. No. And so now you have toilet paper. And now we have toilet paper. And I'm so oddly passionate about this because I learned so much about toilet paper as a mom. It has formaldehyde, chlorine, all these different things. And we're wiping our most intimate areas with hormone disruptors and endocrine disruptors. And to me, I'm like, wait, I can make this better and prettier.

And also like toilet paper is so boring to get in the mail. Like, let's disrupt that. Let's make it pretty. I'm going to send you some. I'm excited.

I'm writing another book. What's this one? So the book, I have not announced what it's about, but it's going to be something that is...

like random like it's not like like your other books no it won't be like the other books I want this to be like the book okay I'm really like it's something that I've been mulling over you're the book girl we were just talking about books I am not you read so much I think you read more than me like because you reading I do yeah I do read how much you read I probably read for an hour a day.

I love reading. Do you have like a reading time or you just like fit it in where you can? That's what my text should say. I'm so sorry I'm reading. It's my reading time. It's my reading time. Yeah. I read when my kids go to bed for an hour and if I wake up early. Okay. If I wake up, so if I wake up before your kids, that's like a life hack that I have unlocked. Like I'm not perfect at it.

Like sometimes I'll wake up after my kids. I don't have an alarm. So I just wake up when I wake up. Oh, that's nice. But you're a natural early riser. If I'm not hungover, if I'm hungover, I could wake up at 8.30. Right. If I'm not hungover, I'll wake up. If I'm not hungover, which obviously I'm not hungover. Right. I'll wake up at like 6.45, 7. Naturally. But I'm in bed at, 8.30.

So when people are like, how do you read? Well, I'm in bed at 8.30 and I'm probably reading from 8.45 to 9.45. Do you watch TV? I don't watch TV in the room because if you watch TV, you stay up later. But so do you watch any TV in your life? I watch TV all the time, but only during the day. Okay. I watch, I love Housewives.

I would love a screener for Summer House.

I thought you meant like you have someone who's watching the TV and giving you notes.

You're screening. Right. Yes. And I want to read. I would try to watch the TV during the day because the problem is if you watch TV at night, like I'm going to tell you right now, if I watch TV at night or look at my phone after 830, I'm fucked. I'm not I'm not asleep. Do you have a landline? No, I'd love a landline. What if someone like needs you after 830?

I'm going to take a picture. I need to, I think like I get so excited. Like I went through the In-N-Out drive-thru the other day and I got so excited that I didn't even have time to capture the moment. I understand. Do you know what I mean? Like I'm like, oh my God. So I need to capture me. I mean, I just don't think people want to see me like stuffing my face with a cheeseburger.

Too bad if everyone's murdered, we're going to figure it out.

I'm Rick Amortis at 830. Does Michael keep his phone on? He's not allowed to keep it. This is like our biggest fight. Okay, tell me. He's not allowed to keep it in the bed. There's no phone in the bed. Our bedroom is for fucking and sleeping and reading. Like there's no phone. And when he gets that phone out, you should see my energy. I'm like, no, like the bed is not for the phone.

So if he wants to be on his phone, he can go out in another room. And as far as watching TV, he has a mini iPad and he, I swear to God, this fun fact, he goes under a barefoot dreams blanket and has to watch it under a blanket.

That's so fun. It's like a child. Yeah. I'm like, this is like the phone. I'm just done with it. Do you have a TV in your bedroom? No. Well, there you go. That eliminates it.

That's always like something like, oh, I'm going to do that. Well, if you're worried about, I mean, you have four sisters, you have a big family. Why don't you just get a landline? I know I will. Claudia has one.

No, just... Listen, we all got to figure it out. I know. I know. We're all... We all got to figure it out. Send me a letter. Yeah. Carrier pigeon. I don't know. Like, call me in the morning. Yeah. We all got to figure it out. What is anyone going to do anyway? I know. It's so true. What can I do for you? Like, what could I do? We're in Florida. I can barely drive. Yeah.

When I'm this pregnant, what am I going to do? You want me to roll on down? I'm done. Like, at 830, like, the show is over. The mouth tape is on. The Kindle is out. The red light. Like, it's over. What kind of car do you drive? You have to cut it out. Cut out the car? Yeah. Oh my God. Okay. Why? Because I just, I don't know. It feels like, I don't know.

I don't know. It just doesn't feel a Bentley. Sweet. I don't know. Go off. Is it a good mom car? Amazing. It's the best car ever. I'll tell you why it's the best car. You can leave this part in. It's the best car because I am like an old person. I feel like you have a little old person in your shoe, Florida. A lot of old person. Yeah. And my shoes. Exactly.

Like it's like you're you like the old the old and this car is designed for an old person. So it's like a sedan size. It's not an SUV. It's the set five seats. So I think it's a sedan. It's not like an SUV. It's not tall. No, I don't like an SUV. Okay. I'm just not a good driver at all. No, same. I learned how to drive two years ago.

So then that's why you would like this car because it reminds me of Mr. Magoo putzing around. Like, I don't go fast. That's so cool. I call it the leisure car. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. What kind of car does your husband drive? Bentley. Another low? But he drives the convertible. Oh, but you guys don't have an SUV? No.

Yeah, a truck. But, like, am I really going to be driving... What kind of truck is he going to get? Like, a huge... Just one of those, like... Like, F-150? Whatever. I don't even... I think it's a Ford. A Ford. That's F-150. Yeah. It's a big... He wants a big... Yeah. Yeah. I think my neighbor has it.

I'm not a... I got... I had an Escalade for a long time and I did not like it because I felt like an Uber driver. That's funny. And you had an Escalade before you had kids, right? Yeah. I didn't like it. And then you became a mom and you had a family. I wouldn't recommend... Well, I don't know how to drive. That's not a good car for me.

No, it's like it's too much car. Yeah. It felt like I had like a huge BBL every time I'm pulling out. It's too much. I just like a car. That you can control. That feels like it's in your grasp. I never want to. I'm under the speed limit by 20 every time people are honking at me. I just want to just putz around. Yeah. Do you drive on the highway? Yeah, but it's real slow. Okay. I get 60.

organic or whatever I don't think you're hiding it from us you don't seem like someone who's like no I don't care yeah I'll tell like I I love my daughter and I call it slumber party where we lay in bed in our robes with our bed trays and eat a plowman's lunch do you know what that is no it's Like a bunch of different like snacks on a plate. Oh, like a tackle tray? Everything. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same. When I do. Yeah. If I have to. If I do. And by the way, I would prefer to be driven. Yeah, of course. Always. Of course. That's next level success. Not even driven like by a chauffeur, like by my husband. Like I'm not getting in the car and being like, I'm like very submissive like that.

Gas. I don't go to the gas station. I do not go to the gas station. And when I say I do not go to the gas station, I have ran out of gas 15 times this year. On the road? 15 times on the freeway, on the road, in the bad area. My assistant has to come bring me gas, ask her 15 times. But your husband is responsible for filling it up?

You need electric. I can be dominant in my business. At home, you can get the gas. No, thank you. I don't want to do that. You can drive. Like, I'm good. Yeah. I don't want to do the gas.

And you guys are crushing it. It's so amazing to have you guys as a part of the Dear Media family. We love it so much. We really do. It's one of my favorite podcasts by far. Thank you. You guys do such a good job. So thanks for inviting me on. That means a lot coming from you. Thank you so much.

And it's crazy that the next time you have to come on our podcast next, the next time we will have three children.

Like chips and jelly beans and like cut up like burger. And like we'll both eat our plates and she'll go on her games. She has like a little game iPad. And then I'll watch my like reality television. So like I have stuff that I do that's like...

definitely like unproductive okay and i people should like i i can be like a total slob too like i will like let the closet get absolutely disgusting and then i'll get like off on cleaning it up yeah that's my goal okay that makes me feel better that's what i need no it's definitely not like it's my house like is not put together all the time especially my bathroom is a disaster

I'll blow it up to explode it, and then I'll get off on cleaning it up. Okay.

Yeah, you do. Listen.

I feel like someone said the other day, they're like, I blend. And I feel like that's a good word instead of like, we're all trying to balance, but blending is like you just make it work. You do what you can.

Yeah, that's exactly it. So, I mean, crunchy. I don't know. I feel like I'm very specific about the cleaning supplies that I use because it's made such a big difference. And I'm oddly specific about, you know, when you get in an Uber and there's like a Christmas tree that smells like a scented cherry raspberry. Like I can't, I can't do that. It bothers me. Yeah.

And my skincare is a mix, but makeup is fully toxic.

You're so lucky.

I'm entering the home space. I feel like I there's a skinny confidential standard that we have. That's not it's not the crunchy ish. It's like it's ish.

You literally nailed it. That's how I live my life. It's just little refinements.

I don't want to overwhelm anyone But like if I can get a wood cutting board over a plastic one Yeah, and you're cutting on it and you're getting all that plastic in your food It's like such an easy swap for sure Except the wood cutting boards are harder to clean because you can't put them in the dishwasher Like does anyone want to talk about that?

I need disposable. Have your husband chop some wood outside. You know, chopping wood's really good for testosterone.

Yeah, I'm sure they all have complaints for that. It just hasn't happened yet. Yeah. You've got to install some sprinklers. I think the sprinklers are poorly installed. That's a problem for another day. You nailed it. It's just little tiny tweaks that you can make. I don't want to overwhelm people. I'm just like, these are the little things that I've done that I think make a big difference.

I have this like weird theory that I want my home to be a place where my family detoxes everything. It's like bright lights and the smog and the pollution and that, you know, you're you're I'm at work and there's Windex everywhere. Like if I can make my home a little bit more of a cleaner space. It makes me feel good for my kids, but also everyone's nervous system.

By far, cleaning the air. Like a purifier. Yeah. The Jasper, I talk about this all the time, has changed my life. Do you have one in every room? How does it work? You don't have to get one in every room. If you're going to start with one, I would get one in your bedroom and downstairs where it's communal. Okay. And it just cleans the air.

And the theory is we're all so concerned about the water that we drink, but the air we breathe, we're like fish in air. Yeah. It's like what fish to an ocean is like us to air. And so it's important that you're thinking about the air because it's so full of so much shit. That one I think is a good one for people who have families.

You know, I bet you that your state now in your nervous system is so much more relaxed from when you lived here. I would bet you that.

It's probably like a change where when you come back here, it like kicks you into a different mode. Yeah, definitely. I feel like it's hard. It's hard if you're... a kid and you grow up here and you've never seen anything different besides this because you just think like cortisol, cortisol, cortisol. Obviously there's pros about growing up here too.

okay and then we also the I was on the toast again and I don't know what year that was I'm sure you would know I feel like I was on it one more time right yeah but I feel like they were like close together and then it's been so long since and then you were on our podcast when you were pregnant with Harry yes and then I was also on your podcast like once before that and we sang Little Mermaid yeah and that was like back in the day you guys have to come back on I would love to given birth

It doesn't look good. And you know what? The ones you really have to watch, you have to watch... the daily habits. So like for instance, toothpaste, that's something to look into. You're putting it in your mouth. Another one is baby wipes. What do you use? I use Coterie. Okay. I got my blood tested like a year ago and they were like, you're so high in triclosan.

And I'm like, what the fuck is triclosan? So I start Googling. It's found in soap. And I'm like, but the soap I use is non-toxic. It's Branch Basics or Symbiotica. So what else is this found in? Come to find out it is in a huge famous brand of wipes that everyone uses. And I was using so many wipes.

No. No. What's fucked up about this is that DM me and I'll tell you what it is. Yeah. Comment wipes. Yeah. Comment wipes. Here's the thing. The reason it's annoying is because the name of the wipes is like manipulative. I've been using them the whole time. And I would use 600 a day. That's not sustainable. But I would use... You're wiping. I have two kids. I'm wiping. Yeah. Everything's wipes.

The reason I bring that up is I think if you look at the platform now, and obviously you just came on the show, be able to speak to people like yourself and others. Sometimes people will come to us and say, oh, I can't believe you had so-and-so. And I'm like, yeah, but did you see it was episode 748?

The brand, The Skinny Confidential, was started in 2009. And the podcast that we produced was started in 2016. And we didn't pull a single dollar out of that podcast until 2018. And then it was...

So the reason I mentioned this is because for what we do and the people we speak to in the communities that we're building, I think sometimes people see the end result of something, I'm sure with you as well. And they're like, how do I do that quick? What's the hack? Like, what was the moment?

I'm like, well, it's just a lot of repetition, slow and steady over long periods of time with consistency and honestly, like no way around it. A lot of hard work.

If I put like the Dear Media executive hat on, the moments when my eyes glaze over and I like tune out of a conversation, someone will come to me and be like, I'm going to be the next Joe Rogan and tell me how I make money doing this and then I'll think about doing it. I'm like-

first of all if your first question is i need to make money before i do it and you're going to be someone who's at the top of the heap i'm like let's let's rewind this is very competitive it's hard it's going to take a long time likely before you see anything and i think when people come to the realization like oh this is not just like easy and i can't just create a post or do a podcast or create a youtube video and make millions of dollars like no you got it it's a lot of it's a lot of repetitions i i totally agree and i think you know from my perspective and i don't

Thank you for doing this and making the trip.

If the way that we think about everything is, you know, if you look at any of our businesses, especially like we're sitting in the Dear Media office, I don't we don't have a marketing department. There is no marketing team. We don't spend money on marketing. There's no like head of, you know, CMO or there's nothing like that.

The way that we've always thought about everything is if you serve an audience or a community with stuff that they find valuable, that then they can share to enhance other people's lives in their circles. that they will do the marketing in the word of mouth for you. And that is, to me, the most powerful form of marketing to begin with.

And so I think people building a business, they've spent all this time and energy trying to figure out how to market something to build more sales or more revenue and all this.

And it's like, if you just continue to serve your customer and your audience and make sure that they feel valued time and time again, and they're okay knowing that you're building a business and you're financially gaining from it, but that you're also putting their interests first, And then the rest of the stuff kind of takes care of itself.

And I think, you know, Lauren and I are very self-aware knowing we're not for everybody. We don't try to be for everybody. You may, you know, Jillian Michaels came on our show. I'm sure you know. And she said something that I thought was so profound. Like you love her or hate her. You know exactly who she is.

And that's how we try to do everything. It's like. We know that some people are going to tune in first time and say, why are these people talking like this? Why are they cussing? Why are they talking about these? They're going to tune out and write a bad review and never come back. We're not trying to win that person over.

We're trying to not only win, but keep the people that are there and resonate with the message that are being served with the content or the information that we're providing and enhancing their lives and coming in and leaving as a better version of themselves. And I think that's what's over the years built the businesses.

We'll do another one.

I mean, you just did our show and, you know, I'm sure at times sometimes people... some of the guests will be like, why are these guys getting so, we asked you, what's your routine? What is your brand? Because we want to be the conduit when Gary Brekker comes on the show, our audience is getting the specific things that make Gary Brekker's life great. Or the specific things you're doing.

I could have brought you on and I could have selfishly just spent an hour talking about my back and you for sure would have given me all this great advice. But I saved that for off air.

That was strategic. To me, I think hosts of these kind of properties make a mistake when they make it too much about them. Of course, there's going to be some selfish questions that are self-serving that also we hope the audience gets by from.

But the whole idea is what you highlighted, which is we're the conduits for you to talk through us to the audience so that they can extract whatever value they can from the show and then

Where's my reading glasses? They look smarter here.

No, because I use the red light now.

I tell you guys all the time. Here's the problem. Because I'm not a human biologist and because I'm not a doctor, I will say things like, hey, I went in the red light bed and healed my eyes. And people are like, you... You're a kook. You're giving false. You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, no, it actually works. Maybe I should stop talking because I don't have the credentials.

I would also say it's fair to say that maybe you can't trust every doctor's credentials these days. Some of them, yes. Some of them.

Well, I'll pick on us for a minute. I think, yeah, when people say they don't have time and we're not the first people to say this, we believe that just means it's not a priority to you. But if you look at our show specifically over the course of roughly nine years. we did not have the resources or success that we have now in the beginning.

And it's been an exploration of speaking to people like yourself and figuring out what we could do cost effectively at each stage of our life to enhance and improve. So, of course, now maybe you get access to a better cold plunge or a red light bed. But right in the early

days I remember we would be in our condo in a cold shower or we'd be upstairs you know on the balcony trying to get some sunlight like or we'd be you know in a gym like there's a lot of things that we did and yeah again this goes back to the now it's like it's not the end product but we're further along and people say easy for you to say but I'm like no go back to the early stuff right I had none of this stuff I tell people to just take Tupperware containers and fill them full of water and put them in their freezer and then take them out that's great and just drop them in your in your in your bathtub

We talked about breathwork on your show. I remember putting on Wim Hof's three-minute free YouTube video and doing that. Like I would do that for years.

That's so smart.

We can do it in pink. This is something for your younger audience. I'm sure you've got young guys and girls that listen. What I would say is when you feel like when you don't have as many resources and you don't have as much time, but when you're younger...

you have way more, like now that we were married and we have kids and we have businesses, like it's even more compressed and we're squeezing in more.

And so again, I think you just have to be smart with how you utilize your time and the things that you make a priority where, you know, in the early days when we were more resource dropped, we had so much more time, but we weren't as efficient with our time, if that makes sense.

I'm not a human biologist and because I'm not a doctor, I should stop talking because I don't have the credentials.

We're having a guest on tomorrow that we've been messaging for nine years. Nine years.

I want to see when I messaged you. For two or three years. You did, yeah. Let me see when I messaged you. I want to see. I think this is so important to talk about. Two years, I think. Because we have a bigger platform now.

To be honest, this particular guest, I understand why you have to work for it. And I understand why it took time. And I understand why this person's thoughtful about what properties they would go on. And they've earned that right based on the things that they've accomplished in life. We don't take that as, oh, we're offended or we're defeated or we're going to give up.

It's just like, okay, not the right time. We'll get them one day. And I think for anyone, whether it's a business or they're pursuing a love interest or whatever, it's like you have to have that kind of tenacity and that patience to go after something like that because a lot of people will take that no or take that nay say and they'll just be completely defeated. And that doesn't serve you.

Completely different.

dinner with couples will say like i don't want to talk about business at this specific time or these are the times when you can approach with these things or not i think both of our personalities are so type a like we we want to be able to talk about all of it all the time like you know sometimes we're not talking about the business obviously but i would find it to be very restrictive to not talk about something we're so passionate about like all the time with our together you know what i mean yeah i agree but you know there's a notion that you can separate business from your personal life and we found that to be completely false right i mean if you have a

I say one person, like, you know, you both want to do an ice cream shop. One person wants to franchise them across the country. One person wants to have the

She drives without a license and without a credit card and runs out of gas.

She blames me like it's my fault that she drove a car.

Okay, I got to read it. My honest response about this is, and you picked up on it, we're both very type A. We're both used to running our own business. I think a common misconception is we do the show together. I run Dear Media. She runs her business. And then we come together and do the show. But we have completely separate teams and separate roles.

But again, we're like all partnered and everything. So it gets a little messy, obviously, because we're married and everything's equal parts.

um but i am personally someone that needs to be held to account and needs to be checked and if not it could very quickly become the michael show and so she is like it's it would not be good for me to date or be married to somebody who is more submissive i was like yeah whatever you want because again i'll run off the rails and then i'm like it's again there's a million ideas and it's like well what are you focusing on and i think

We kind of hold each other to that account. And then also when Lauren says we don't compete, we don't externally compete with outside people. Like we're very focused in our own world, but we both expect a lot from each other and want to be better versions of ourselves tomorrow than we were today.

yeah and so it's like you know the work is you know and it's kind of like a masochistic way it's it's never done and we're never satisfied and it's not because there's a certain number i love it says blissfully dissatisfied yeah blissfully dissatisfied that's so true you get one shot at life and i think we both want to see how far we can push it not in a way where you're sacrificing health or family or a relationship yeah or doing things out of integrity but like you know let's not settle let's figure out how much further and i think sometimes a lot of

couples will get in a situation where one of the partners wants the other one to settle or stop pursuing something. And I don't think, I actually don't think that's healthy. I don't think that's healthy either.

There's a lot of innovation happening.

We're going to do the cheek swap. Well, one of the things that we're, you know, again, we are not the experts. We bring on the experts. But I think one thing that we've tried to do with our show for years is ignite the interest of health in this country. And I'm excited because of what's going on now. And I really want to touch on that.

I think conversations that were happening in small niche communities are becoming wider now and broader and things that people would look at you like you were crazy for saying in the past, you know, like you're doing a cold one, you're doing a sign, you're in red light, you're in this, but people like what is like these fringe things that you would kind of like call pseudoscience I think is now being taken very seriously.

So, you know, we're super excited about some of the stuff that's happening finally here. Cause to your point, There's been serious issues in this country. Oh, totally.

You touched on it on, on our show. It's like. we don't want to be talking about all these things with all these great people on the show and then not practicing what we preach. Yes. Right. And like there was there's a journey where we realize right around the time we had our first kids, like we are not the healthiest versions of ourselves. We're not doing the things that we should be doing.

And we have access to people like yourself and others that are sharing this information. Why not implement it at a greater level and also not just do ourselves, but be an example? And we had this this great guy come on the podcast and he said, stop being the tugboat and be the lighthouse. He's like, stop trying to tell people what to do and drag them a long time.

Just go do it and you'll inspire other people. So I think like one, we want to be an example to each other, but two, for our kids and our families and then the other people. And we also don't want to be phonies where we're having all these great voices on and then, you know, eating like shit and not taking care of ourselves and not sleeping right.

Like we we always say we're lucky to get the information right.

I would love to do that. Why I think it's so important what you're doing. is if you just pull the data set of call it like 700 episodes and we're saying this is the first time someone's coming on talking about nutrient efficiency. It's important. I'm just talking about like the spectrum of conversations. And you know how important that information is to people.

And you could get all of these people talking about weights and need and, you know, cold plunging. But if you don't have that piece of it, I think that's where a lot of frustrations happening with people. They're like, well, I'm doing all the things I'm cold plunging. I'm eating, I'm solid. Like, why am I not getting the results I want?

Or like at night they'll say we're having vitamin water and it's like thorn magnesium.

Have you tried the Vandy chips?

What's funny, though, about kids, and you know this, if you don't have junk in the house, they don't want the junk.

We're the same. I love Paul. He's a mutual friend. I'm not going to be that militant.

Buffalo milk lattes at my place. He usually makes me fresh orange juice every day. We'll meet a lot of these characters, and I love many of them. But what I say all the time, especially the audience, like, I don't want to hear about EMFs in the headphones from somebody if they're not doing... You just bought an EMF cordless headphone.

If they're not doing... Like if you're not going to the gym and you're not eating whole foods and you're not sleeping right and you're not doing the basics and you're telling me about my EMFs, I'm like...

Yeah. If you can't do like 20 pushups, I don't want to hear about EMFs.

Exactly.

Bowels. Bowels.

Yeah, I like to lure them in and now they'll be like, wait, what did that guy just say?

That's important. Yeah, I would say like the high level is align on the ultimate vision. And I, again, I give that example of like one person wants to build the ice cream shop. One person wants to build the ice cream shop that franchises to across the country. I think sometimes people say they want to do a business and they don't agree on the scale.

I thought she was a substitute teacher. Fully developed. She was fully developed and you were small, right? I was 12 years old, Gary. I hadn't even hit puberty, I don't think.

And then in addition to that, I would say, you know, you have to kind of, I don't believe that you can have an equal decision making process in any way, meaning I don't like when there's co-CEOs and there's like there's got to be one person that kind of owns one specifically.

And so in our in our world, when it comes to the business finances, I'll typically have the kind of final say just because maybe I'm more skilled at numbers when it comes to the creative vision.

packaging you try to get involved in the cover art yesterday i was like yeah don't get out get like i think i think we we really like kind of say okay when it comes to like who needs to be the final decision maker on this and especially for the team too right looking to when it comes to this specific lane we define that um don't talk about uh quick books during sex the other thing i think i would talk

Don't talk about QuickBooks.

No.

No, but I think the last thing is that you have to understand that it is a lot of turmoil. And if you're not okay with that and you want it to be roses all the time when you're trying to... If you run a business with anyone... There's chaos. Whether it's your partner or your coworkers, running a business is hard. It's not easy.

And so there's going to be moments and you want somebody that's going to be there in the trenches with you when it gets hard. And you can't do this thing where a couple's like, I don't want it to affect the relationship. It's going to affect the relationship. You just have to agree that you're going to work through it together. Yes. There's no way that it's like it's never going.

Yeah, it's it's hard. It's difficult.

We always say like, listen, we're very motivated to build these ventures together and build big things. But we kind of already feel like we're playing with house money in the sense that we're very happy in our relationship and with our family. And if you were to strip everything away and still it was just us with our kids and each other.

yeah like i already feel like it's 41 right yeah and so the rest of stuff it's like you wouldn't when you're when you go to a casino and say playing with house money like you don't you don't risk what's already you don't risk the winning or the the base or the right you know what you came with right yeah like it's already just your winnings yeah yeah and so like if it ever starts to get to a place where the business is toxic to our family and our well-being and our relationship it's not worth it i would like you to go date someone for a few months that's submissive to see how that goes bullshit you

But that's the other thing I say all the time. I'm like, listen, you find another guy.

You find another guy to deal with your bullshit. I don't think they exist. She always says like, oh, what happened? I'm like, listen, you find that guy. God bless him.

Yeah.

and one of those things in high school where you know we were never together and we would always like we'd be with other people but then there'd be like that one random night at a high school party we'd both be at the same place and then yeah something would happen again and then we'd not see each other it was always a string of connection but i mean the chances that you guys didn't go to different towns we did we did oh we did we left no i left his ass i made him chase me for like nine years good for you

But to be like a little bit sappy for a moment. And I think, you know, doing what we all do for a living, you can kind of sometimes get lost thinking that that's all real, you know, going to these places and meeting these incredible people and having these big conversations and all of that. And I think

we are good at coming back to each other and saying like, it's, we're just living a normal life with our family and our kids in a normal relationship. Nothing too, you know, we met, we were 12, like all these things. And you know, you gotta be able to separate some of that.

I think sometimes people build big businesses or big brands or big personalities and they get drunk on that and they get drunk on the press clippings and they, and that, and they think that there's now this new version of themselves. Yeah.

And we really try to kind of stay away from that and acknowledge that we're fortunate to be in some of those situations and around some of those people and conversations. But at the end of it, it's like this is the core and that's what we protect.

I think to be an ultimate human, you're actualizing your real full potential every single day and you're not settling. And that you're becoming a better version of yourself every day. And that you're doing things not only to help yourself, but to help others. And so they can be the best versions of themselves.

And I think if if anything, take financial success or business out of it, if if you're adding value to the world and you're improving yourself, to me, that's the ultimate human. That could be in any way. It could be the best parent. You could be the best husband. You could be the best whatever. But to me, that is the definition of a successful life.

But Gary, don't you feel like it really just comes down. It's, it's the simple things.

It's, you know, we overcomplicate everything.

And even like going back to the conversation we had, it's the essentials. It's like, if you, even if you take the essentials of life, you know, like, I think we're living in a time where there's so much information and people are so confused and they're getting caught in the clouds and they're not just grounding on the simple things.

No, no, no, he had to work for it. I went to the Harvard of the Desert, the University of Arizona.

Well, that's the other thing too. Simple thing for the young guys that listen to you. you want to have bad health problems and bad financial outcomes, pick the wrong woman.

You know what I mean? Like that, like I talk about this all the time. Like it's so simple to screw up your life by just picking the wrong partner, men and women or, you know, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's like just a lot, again, it's just simple things. And I think a lot of people just get off track with so much optionality.

I was a human biologist. I studied anatomy.

No, but we went and partied and ran around and then somehow reconnected over, you know, I don't know, mutual friend's birthday party or something ever since then we've been together. So it was just like this weird connection that we had since we were kids. And I would always tell her that she was the love of my life and all that, as cheesy as it sounds.

But for whatever reason. Yeah.

yeah so so we got back together and we i was a bartender and michael was like you said doing all different kinds of endeavors i was just i was one of i i've always worked for myself and i was trying all these different things serial entrepreneur yeah i was like in aviation at one point i was in real estate at one point i had an agency i was just always trying different things some successful some not successful but always working for myself hmm

One, we want to be an example to each other. But two, for our kids, there's a journey where we realize we are not the healthiest versions of ourselves. We're not doing the things that we should be doing. And we have access to people like yourself and others that are sharing this information. Why not implement it at a greater level and be an example? Stop being the tugboat and be the lighthouse.

It was like a different perspective. I think it was very honest and in your face. And it wasn't afraid to tell the truth on topics that people found to be taboo.

The internet was very, like a lot of the creators at the time, they called them bloggers at the time. It was very safe. Sterile. I would say vanilla in a lot of ways. Boring. And so I think she came in and also it was... Like the shock jock you heard, right?

Yeah, so we produce about 100 shows outside of ours. We have ours, but that's- So you're managing that many? Yeah, yeah. So what I would say is the Trojan horse into media for us was audio, but really I just call them shows now. They're audio, they're video, they're live. We invest in commerce businesses and run them through the platform that we've built.

Is that what's going on in this other room? Yes. There's a lot of people out there that seem very busy. Yeah, this is the Texas office. About half the company's out here. Then we have- Some in LA, another office there, and then some in New York as well.

You want to have bad health problems and bad financial outcomes? Pick the wrong woman. If you run a business with anyone.

We're lucky to get the information. We're learning the same way that people listening are learning.

She's also not being so forthright in the sense that she had a day job teaching pure bar and Pilates. She would bartend at night. She would go to school and then you would blog until like two in the morning. And I watched her do this for years at a time when people said, what the hell is a blog? How are you going to make money? The term influencer and pod, like all this didn't even exist.

And it was at a time like now fast forward, people make a huge living doing this kind of thing. And obviously we've built a business on it, but this was also at a time when a lot of brands are like, why would I pay? How do I pay? What do I like? They, there was not money in the space, right? Like you were lucky to get a banner ad for a month on your website, which, you know,