Lawrence Sammons II

In Socrates' case, we're told that more people voted that he should be executed than found him guilty. So there were people who voted for Socrates' innocence who still voted that he should be executed. And why? Why, in Socrates' case, he had annoyed a whole lot of people, including some very powerful people.

Oh, they thought about it, but they didn't see it as a positive example. Almost everything they said about it was, we want to avoid that. The founders just didn't want the American system to be that open to the will of the people. The will of the people had to be controlled to some degree. It had to be blunted, you know, the force of the will of the people.

Oh, they thought about it, but they didn't see it as a positive example. Almost everything they said about it was, we want to avoid that. The founders just didn't want the American system to be that open to the will of the people. The will of the people had to be controlled to some degree. It had to be blunted, you know, the force of the will of the people.

Oh, they thought about it, but they didn't see it as a positive example. Almost everything they said about it was, we want to avoid that. The founders just didn't want the American system to be that open to the will of the people. The will of the people had to be controlled to some degree. It had to be blunted, you know, the force of the will of the people.

One of the things is that the pay for public service in the fifth century became eventually pay for all kinds of things, including in the fourth century, they paid themselves to vote. They're paying themselves to vote? Like a lot? Well, no, not a lot.

One of the things is that the pay for public service in the fifth century became eventually pay for all kinds of things, including in the fourth century, they paid themselves to vote. They're paying themselves to vote? Like a lot? Well, no, not a lot.

One of the things is that the pay for public service in the fifth century became eventually pay for all kinds of things, including in the fourth century, they paid themselves to vote. They're paying themselves to vote? Like a lot? Well, no, not a lot.

Eventually, they got to the point where they paid themselves to go to the theater so that they subvented, they underwrote theater tickets for Athenians. And why were they making, those are terrible decisions. Well, I mean, how do you, if you're in an assembly and a politician gets up and says, I think you guys should be paid to vote, who's going to vote against that? Right.

Eventually, they got to the point where they paid themselves to go to the theater so that they subvented, they underwrote theater tickets for Athenians. And why were they making, those are terrible decisions. Well, I mean, how do you, if you're in an assembly and a politician gets up and says, I think you guys should be paid to vote, who's going to vote against that? Right.

Eventually, they got to the point where they paid themselves to go to the theater so that they subvented, they underwrote theater tickets for Athenians. And why were they making, those are terrible decisions. Well, I mean, how do you, if you're in an assembly and a politician gets up and says, I think you guys should be paid to vote, who's going to vote against that? Right.

I mean, once that idea is out there. What's the idea of paying people to do X or Y's out there? It's just impossible, it seems to me, in a democratic environment to get people to go, no, no, I'll give up that money. I don't want to be paid. No, I don't want to get that extra benefit.

I mean, once that idea is out there. What's the idea of paying people to do X or Y's out there? It's just impossible, it seems to me, in a democratic environment to get people to go, no, no, I'll give up that money. I don't want to be paid. No, I don't want to get that extra benefit.

I mean, once that idea is out there. What's the idea of paying people to do X or Y's out there? It's just impossible, it seems to me, in a democratic environment to get people to go, no, no, I'll give up that money. I don't want to be paid. No, I don't want to get that extra benefit.

How do you borrow money from a goddess? Yeah, it's funny. Athena was very willing to loan. They saw that money in their treasuries and that was owned by their gods as available for human use. It wasn't that the money owned by the gods couldn't be used.

How do you borrow money from a goddess? Yeah, it's funny. Athena was very willing to loan. They saw that money in their treasuries and that was owned by their gods as available for human use. It wasn't that the money owned by the gods couldn't be used.

How do you borrow money from a goddess? Yeah, it's funny. Athena was very willing to loan. They saw that money in their treasuries and that was owned by their gods as available for human use. It wasn't that the money owned by the gods couldn't be used.

Right. So the Athenians kept those books separate. The money that was taken out of the mines, that was money that didn't have to be borrowed. But the money that they borrowed from the gods, some of which they had taken from other Greek states, some of that imperial money gets dedicated to the gods.

Right. So the Athenians kept those books separate. The money that was taken out of the mines, that was money that didn't have to be borrowed. But the money that they borrowed from the gods, some of which they had taken from other Greek states, some of that imperial money gets dedicated to the gods.

Right. So the Athenians kept those books separate. The money that was taken out of the mines, that was money that didn't have to be borrowed. But the money that they borrowed from the gods, some of which they had taken from other Greek states, some of that imperial money gets dedicated to the gods.

That money had to be paid back and had to be paid back in interest. And Athena was very generous during the Peloponnesian War. She lowered her interest rate from something like 7% to 1.5%, something like that. It was nice of her. But the Athenians basically spent all the money they had in their... that they'd accumulated through their empire.