Lex Fridman

And then a lot of people are uncomfortable with empathy when it comes to folks that we traditionally label as evil.

Hitler is an example.

To have empathy means that you're somehow dirtying yourself by the evil.

What's your case for empathy?

Even when we're talking about some of the darker humans in human history.

So on a small tangent, I get to interview a bunch of folks that a large number of people consider evil.

So how would you give advice about how to conduct such interviews when you're sitting in front of a world leader that some millions of people consider evil?

Or if you're sitting in front of people that are actual convicted criminals, what's the way to conduct that interview?

Because to me, I want to understand that human being.

They also have their own narrative about why they're good and why they're misunderstood.

And they have a story in which they're not evil.

And they're going to try to tell that story.

And some of them are exceptionally good at telling that story.

So if it's for public consumption, how would you do that interview?

I find these pictures of World War II leaders as children kind of fascinating because it grounds you, makes you realize that there is a whole story there of environment, of development through their childhood, through their teenage years.

You just remember they're all kids, except Stalin.

He was looking evil already when young.

Well, what are the sort of concrete features that contribute to our creepiness metric?

Is that meme accurate that when the person is attractive, you're less likely to label them as creepy?

That's hilarious.