Lulu Garcia Navarro

There's just not any big swings anymore.

I mean, people at the moment seem to be clamoring for these ideas that can solve their very real problems.

Does incrementalism...

Which can read as bipartisanship, actually get the job done at a moment like this.

I mean, there's this perception that those people who are fortunate enough in a closely divided Senate to wield a lot of power because they— I don't recommend that on anybody.

Fair.

But they sit in this position and they are obstructing—I'm giving you the counterargument—obstructing actual progress.

I mean, you've seen James Carville, the longtime Democratic strategist who is self-described as a centrist, obviously worked for Bill Clinton.

And he recently argued that, for example, Democrats need to run on and presumably eventually legislate on and I'm going to quote her a sweeping, aggressive, unvarnished, unapologetic and altogether unmistakable platform of pure economic rage.

Mm hmm.

I mean, that's the other side of this coin.

You know, you certainly can't accuse the Trump administration of moving incrementally.

I mean, should the Democrats be emulating what the Trump administration is doing?

Because Republicans are really taking the ball and running with it.

I don't want to get too much on a tangent on immigration, but immigration, you're right, has been an enormous failure of Congress.

I mean, there has not been immigration reform for a very long time, and that has allowed both parties, actually, in different ways to make it into an issue that they campaign on, they use to sway people.

Obama used it with the DACA issue, and we're seeing President Trump use it

This is the issue.

There's always a reason why it doesn't go on the floor, and there's always a reason why it doesn't get resolved.

But that is the actual question here, again, coming back to this idea of