Lulu Garcia Navarro

We're going to speak again, but I really appreciate you coming in.

Thank you.

After the break, I talk to Tina again, and she tells me the lesson that she takes from Zoran Mamdani's win.

So since we last spoke, there have been, to say the least, some developments on the Prince Andrew front.

King Charles stripped him of his last remaining titles.

He is no longer a prince, evicted him from Royal Lodge.

So are we at the end of the Prince Andrew sorry saga?

Yeah.

I mean, isn't part of the problem with someone like Andrew that if you cut him off completely and you kick him out of the royal family utterly, then he is a loose cannon out in the world with no means of supporting himself and could wreak all sorts of havoc.

Indeed.

Well, speaking of politics, that brings us to something that happened since we last spoke as well, which is a big earthquake in your adopted city of New York.

New Mayor Zoran Mamdani, who has very much scared, I think, the plutocratic class.

I know.

I mean, tell me, what does his rise, do you think, say about how people are feeling about the elite world of tastemakers that you came up in and the elite in general?

You know, one of the things I really thought about since our last conversation is how valuable it is to have people with a wide lens on history talking about this sort of very strange, very unsettling moment, which is one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you.

But it also made me think about your late husband, Harry Evans, who was a legendary journalist in his own right.

He was 25 years older than you.

Did he see things differently than you because you were from different generations?

And did he help give you a different perspective?

Hmm.