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I was very disappointed. Mm-hmm.

I was very disappointed. Mm-hmm.

For all of those. For all of those. You know, I think if we're really going to change the food system, the first thing we have to do is get money out of politics. But that's a little off topic.

For all of those. For all of those. You know, I think if we're really going to change the food system, the first thing we have to do is get money out of politics. But that's a little off topic.

For all of those. For all of those. You know, I think if we're really going to change the food system, the first thing we have to do is get money out of politics. But that's a little off topic.

Yeah, I mean, that's my trajectory. Mm-hmm. The first thing I was interested in was vitamins. I loved them all. They're all so interesting. Each one is different. They do different things in the body. To me, they were intellectually fascinating. I just adored them. And then I realized that people don't eat vitamins, except people who take supplements, and they eat food.

Yeah, I mean, that's my trajectory. Mm-hmm. The first thing I was interested in was vitamins. I loved them all. They're all so interesting. Each one is different. They do different things in the body. To me, they were intellectually fascinating. I just adored them. And then I realized that people don't eat vitamins, except people who take supplements, and they eat food.

Yeah, I mean, that's my trajectory. Mm-hmm. The first thing I was interested in was vitamins. I loved them all. They're all so interesting. Each one is different. They do different things in the body. To me, they were intellectually fascinating. I just adored them. And then I realized that people don't eat vitamins, except people who take supplements, and they eat food.

And food is really complicated. Eventually, I thought, well, wait a minute. People don't eat food. They eat diets. They're eating lots of different foods. These foods interact in different ways. The basic principles of nutrition are try to eat as much of a variety of real food as you can. I mean, the big change was the shift from not having enough nutrients to having too many calories.

And food is really complicated. Eventually, I thought, well, wait a minute. People don't eat food. They eat diets. They're eating lots of different foods. These foods interact in different ways. The basic principles of nutrition are try to eat as much of a variety of real food as you can. I mean, the big change was the shift from not having enough nutrients to having too many calories.

And food is really complicated. Eventually, I thought, well, wait a minute. People don't eat food. They eat diets. They're eating lots of different foods. These foods interact in different ways. The basic principles of nutrition are try to eat as much of a variety of real food as you can. I mean, the big change was the shift from not having enough nutrients to having too many calories.

And then in 1980, the inflection point, when President Reagan was elected and lots and lots of policy changes took place, then rates of obesity, the prevalence of obesity started to rise very, very rapidly. The reasons for that, I think, are pretty well understood. People ate more. And there's tons of evidence that people started eating more in the 1980s.

And then in 1980, the inflection point, when President Reagan was elected and lots and lots of policy changes took place, then rates of obesity, the prevalence of obesity started to rise very, very rapidly. The reasons for that, I think, are pretty well understood. People ate more. And there's tons of evidence that people started eating more in the 1980s.

And then in 1980, the inflection point, when President Reagan was elected and lots and lots of policy changes took place, then rates of obesity, the prevalence of obesity started to rise very, very rapidly. The reasons for that, I think, are pretty well understood. People ate more. And there's tons of evidence that people started eating more in the 1980s.

80s, portion sizes got larger, a sufficient explanation.

80s, portion sizes got larger, a sufficient explanation.

80s, portion sizes got larger, a sufficient explanation.

I like real food. I mean, I have my favorite junk foods and I eat my favorite junk foods. I just don't eat a lot of them.

I like real food. I mean, I have my favorite junk foods and I eat my favorite junk foods. I just don't eat a lot of them.

I like real food. I mean, I have my favorite junk foods and I eat my favorite junk foods. I just don't eat a lot of them.