Matt

being out there kind of in the field on this issue, fighting this issue out, whether it's going to school board meetings or holding rallies or doing anything. For me, it's making a movie, just using whatever resources are at my disposal to fight back. And I would look to the left of me and look to the right of me.

being out there kind of in the field on this issue, fighting this issue out, whether it's going to school board meetings or holding rallies or doing anything. For me, it's making a movie, just using whatever resources are at my disposal to fight back. And I would look to the left of me and look to the right of me.

And what I noticed is that I noticed what was missing, which is that there were not a lot of Christian leaders standing there beside me. If I was more likely to look over to my side and see a liberal feminist standing with me on this issue than a Christian pastor.

And what I noticed is that I noticed what was missing, which is that there were not a lot of Christian leaders standing there beside me. If I was more likely to look over to my side and see a liberal feminist standing with me on this issue than a Christian pastor.

And not only that, but it was in fact worse that very often if a Christian pastor were to say anything to me or about me in relation to this issue, it was to condemn me for being too rude, for being too mean about you know, they didn't like the way that I approached it. And my answer to them was always, okay, you don't like my approach. What's your alternative? Because your approach is nothing.

And not only that, but it was in fact worse that very often if a Christian pastor were to say anything to me or about me in relation to this issue, it was to condemn me for being too rude, for being too mean about you know, they didn't like the way that I approached it. And my answer to them was always, okay, you don't like my approach. What's your alternative? Because your approach is nothing.

Your approach is to say nothing at all. And I agree with something you said, Charlie, earlier about You know, we talk about the woke churches that have the rainbow flags and everything outside, and that's a big problem. That is an issue. That's not the biggest problem. Like, those churches, they're not churches. They don't count. I don't even... That's not real.

Your approach is to say nothing at all. And I agree with something you said, Charlie, earlier about You know, we talk about the woke churches that have the rainbow flags and everything outside, and that's a big problem. That is an issue. That's not the biggest problem. Like, those churches, they're not churches. They don't count. I don't even... That's not real.

You know, if you... If you have a rainbow in your church, it better be a part of some art display that references Noah's Ark. Um... Because the rainbow flag is anathema. It is heresy. And any church that flies it is not a church. It is, you know, this is a, it is a, or I should say it's a church, but not for the Christian religion. For the LGBT cult is what it is. So there's that.

You know, if you... If you have a rainbow in your church, it better be a part of some art display that references Noah's Ark. Um... Because the rainbow flag is anathema. It is heresy. And any church that flies it is not a church. It is, you know, this is a, it is a, or I should say it's a church, but not for the Christian religion. For the LGBT cult is what it is. So there's that.

So there's those kinds of churches, and that's not real. Those are not real Christian churches. The bigger problem has been for a long time the kind of milquetoast, lukewarm, I don't really want to get involved. And so you sit in these churches, and you're not going to hear anything about

So there's those kinds of churches, and that's not real. Those are not real Christian churches. The bigger problem has been for a long time the kind of milquetoast, lukewarm, I don't really want to get involved. And so you sit in these churches, and you're not going to hear anything about

necessarily objectionable you're not going to hear anything said that's wrong everything said is maybe true but it's what's not being said and you know to reference something that c.s lewis actually talked about i think in uh in in screw tape letters he talks about it in multiple works of his how you know, we're on a spiritual battleground. We're on a spiritual battlefield.

necessarily objectionable you're not going to hear anything said that's wrong everything said is maybe true but it's what's not being said and you know to reference something that c.s lewis actually talked about i think in uh in in screw tape letters he talks about it in multiple works of his how you know, we're on a spiritual battleground. We're on a spiritual battlefield.

And when you go to church, you've got your, these are your soldiers, right, who are coming in after being out on the battlefield for the last six days, and they're bruised, and they're broken, and they're beaten. And this is where they're supposed to hear their marching orders. This is like, let's regroup. Let's talk about our battle plan, okay?

And when you go to church, you've got your, these are your soldiers, right, who are coming in after being out on the battlefield for the last six days, and they're bruised, and they're broken, and they're beaten. And this is where they're supposed to hear their marching orders. This is like, let's regroup. Let's talk about our battle plan, okay?

That's what it should feel like when you're in church. And And so often, at least in my experience, and I've been going to church for 38 years, so often it doesn't feel like that. It feels like maybe a meeting with the HR representative at a Fortune 500 company or like I'm in middle school talking to my guidance counselor again. It doesn't feel like this is someone, the pastor saying,

That's what it should feel like when you're in church. And And so often, at least in my experience, and I've been going to church for 38 years, so often it doesn't feel like that. It feels like maybe a meeting with the HR representative at a Fortune 500 company or like I'm in middle school talking to my guidance counselor again. It doesn't feel like this is someone, the pastor saying,

And there are exceptions to this, but so often it doesn't feel like the pastor is even living in the same reality as the rest of us.

And there are exceptions to this, but so often it doesn't feel like the pastor is even living in the same reality as the rest of us.