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internalizing that and then realizing that he, like any man in the 90s and aughts, you know, like that's like, my dad is a varsity football, baseball coach, you know, and then the culture around us, you know, like very like patriarchal male dominated culture. And I do mean in all ways, as we all know, but to start to feel like my identity was at odds with what that society was saying,

internalizing that and then realizing that he, like any man in the 90s and aughts, you know, like that's like, my dad is a varsity football, baseball coach, you know, and then the culture around us, you know, like very like patriarchal male dominated culture. And I do mean in all ways, as we all know, but to start to feel like my identity was at odds with what that society was saying,

was tough and it wasn't like I could go to my dad with that question because I don't know that in 2004, he would have had the right thing to say. Ultimately he did and was lovely and is lovely and such a supporter and like such a wonderful, lovely man. But it's hard when your parents are supposed to be this thing. and then you realize they're human.

was tough and it wasn't like I could go to my dad with that question because I don't know that in 2004, he would have had the right thing to say. Ultimately he did and was lovely and is lovely and such a supporter and like such a wonderful, lovely man. But it's hard when your parents are supposed to be this thing. and then you realize they're human.

And so it sounds like in that story is what happened was not only did you confront and realize your parents' humanity, but it was confirmed for you.

And so it sounds like in that story is what happened was not only did you confront and realize your parents' humanity, but it was confirmed for you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's lovely to see... People change, sure, but men change. You know what I mean? To watch a straight man, that's a very... You have to be... I don't give a lot of credit, but I will say... That, you know, I really respect when my dad stands up to his friends who like Trump. You know what I mean? My dad will give it to these guys that like Trump. Same.

It's lovely to see... People change, sure, but men change. You know what I mean? To watch a straight man, that's a very... You have to be... I don't give a lot of credit, but I will say... That, you know, I really respect when my dad stands up to his friends who like Trump. You know what I mean? My dad will give it to these guys that like Trump. Same.

My dad was a phys ed teacher, like varsity sports coach for a very long time, surrounded by attitudes that suck. Yeah. Attitudes that fucking suck. Yeah. And it's really hard to be the person being like, hey, knock it off. Like care for women, care for minorities, care for queer people, care for trans people. But there's a lot of people out there doing it. And I think it's important.

My dad was a phys ed teacher, like varsity sports coach for a very long time, surrounded by attitudes that suck. Yeah. Attitudes that fucking suck. Yeah. And it's really hard to be the person being like, hey, knock it off. Like care for women, care for minorities, care for queer people, care for trans people. But there's a lot of people out there doing it. And I think it's important.

And I also, I just want to acknowledge that change is very difficult for some people. And you do have to be brave. You have to be very brave to do that.

And I also, I just want to acknowledge that change is very difficult for some people. And you do have to be brave. You have to be very brave to do that.

Yeah. My lifelong dream. And that's on being queer. And that's on queerness. If I make it to third, I remember saying that about myself. Oh, yeah. Please. The moment I realized I was gay, the moment I remember, I was 11 years old and I remember the moment. I remember thinking the emotion was abject terror because I was like, I'll die. Yeah. For sure.

Yeah. My lifelong dream. And that's on being queer. And that's on queerness. If I make it to third, I remember saying that about myself. Oh, yeah. Please. The moment I realized I was gay, the moment I remember, I was 11 years old and I remember the moment. I remember thinking the emotion was abject terror because I was like, I'll die. Yeah. For sure.

Or like the world would have totally changed from what it is right now for me to like ever be okay with this or tell people about this. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, honestly, like you say, I like to make it to 35, but I couldn't see 35 for myself because as you were saying earlier, where were the examples of it? Exactly. Where were the examples in media of us?

Or like the world would have totally changed from what it is right now for me to like ever be okay with this or tell people about this. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, honestly, like you say, I like to make it to 35, but I couldn't see 35 for myself because as you were saying earlier, where were the examples of it? Exactly. Where were the examples in media of us?

Mm hmm.

Mm hmm.