Matthew Rourke

Marvin makes a recorded phone call to Barbara, and he wants to be the first person to tell her. And he calls her and immediately says, Barbara, I was involved. I did it.

Marvin makes a recorded phone call to Barbara, and he wants to be the first person to tell her. And he calls her and immediately says, Barbara, I was involved. I did it.

Barbara?

Barbara?

Instead of weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, Barbara Potter says, oh no, you couldn't have done it. You were sitting right here with me. You must not have your oxygen. You don't know what you're talking about.

Instead of weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, Barbara Potter says, oh no, you couldn't have done it. You were sitting right here with me. You must not have your oxygen. You don't know what you're talking about.

There was no reaction that you might expect from someone whose husband just told him that he committed two murders.

There was no reaction that you might expect from someone whose husband just told him that he committed two murders.

We didn't get into... digital evidence we didn't get into the emails we didn't get into the text messages any of that really in Marvin's trial we didn't really have to get into all that other stuff because we were really concerned that we would lose a jury they would just get lost in the weeds

We didn't get into... digital evidence we didn't get into the emails we didn't get into the text messages any of that really in Marvin's trial we didn't really have to get into all that other stuff because we were really concerned that we would lose a jury they would just get lost in the weeds

That's something I've always struggled with, whether Janelle completely, completely intended for the murders to occur. Now, we know that she had a very, very limited social circle. She was starved for attention. And she's one of these people that any attention, even negative attention, At least it's attention. And she would stir it up.

That's something I've always struggled with, whether Janelle completely, completely intended for the murders to occur. Now, we know that she had a very, very limited social circle. She was starved for attention. And she's one of these people that any attention, even negative attention, At least it's attention. And she would stir it up.

I mean, she would stir up the drama just so that people would pay attention to her and so that she could play the victim.

I mean, she would stir up the drama just so that people would pay attention to her and so that she could play the victim.

There was testimony at the trial that she was operating on basically a middle school level, but that she was absolutely competent and was not insane at the time. You've got this grown woman who is acting like middle schoolers do online, thriving off this negative attention and all of this asinine arguing and name-calling back and forth that... It got out of hand.

There was testimony at the trial that she was operating on basically a middle school level, but that she was absolutely competent and was not insane at the time. You've got this grown woman who is acting like middle schoolers do online, thriving off this negative attention and all of this asinine arguing and name-calling back and forth that... It got out of hand.

I think that Janelle pushed it so far that Barbara bought into it. And they together convinced Marvin that these threats were real and that he had to do something about it. And he did.

I think that Janelle pushed it so far that Barbara bought into it. And they together convinced Marvin that these threats were real and that he had to do something about it. And he did.

We put on the same evidence that we did in the first trial, but we also had to convince the jury and make it understandable. This big, crazy story.

We put on the same evidence that we did in the first trial, but we also had to convince the jury and make it understandable. This big, crazy story.