Michael Shellenberger

so it's like any catastrophe you know you just have multiple errors occurring in advance and at the moment um and then the fires and then the actual ignitions you can't completely prevent ignitions but you can significantly reduce them one would be to not allow people to camp outside all over uh los angeles uh los angeles county with

so it's like any catastrophe you know you just have multiple errors occurring in advance and at the moment um and then the fires and then the actual ignitions you can't completely prevent ignitions but you can significantly reduce them one would be to not allow people to camp outside all over uh los angeles uh los angeles county with

somewhere around, I think it's 40 to 60,000 homeless people in the whole county. Madness. And then the other is the electrical wires that brush up against the vegetation and create fire. With that, you want to clear the vegetation from around the wires. That's obvious. And then you can also just stop. I mean, this is a not great solution, but you could certainly do it in a pinch if you need to.

somewhere around, I think it's 40 to 60,000 homeless people in the whole county. Madness. And then the other is the electrical wires that brush up against the vegetation and create fire. With that, you want to clear the vegetation from around the wires. That's obvious. And then you can also just stop. I mean, this is a not great solution, but you could certainly do it in a pinch if you need to.

somewhere around, I think it's 40 to 60,000 homeless people in the whole county. Madness. And then the other is the electrical wires that brush up against the vegetation and create fire. With that, you want to clear the vegetation from around the wires. That's obvious. And then you can also just stop. I mean, this is a not great solution, but you could certainly do it in a pinch if you need to.

You just stop the electricity from going into those homes for some period. I mean, it's a drag. I live in the Berkeley Hills, which is also a dangerous fire zone. And when the winds are really strong, they'll just cut off power as a precaution so that to prevent an ignition.

You just stop the electricity from going into those homes for some period. I mean, it's a drag. I live in the Berkeley Hills, which is also a dangerous fire zone. And when the winds are really strong, they'll just cut off power as a precaution so that to prevent an ignition.

You just stop the electricity from going into those homes for some period. I mean, it's a drag. I live in the Berkeley Hills, which is also a dangerous fire zone. And when the winds are really strong, they'll just cut off power as a precaution so that to prevent an ignition.

I think the thing that – the reason I wanted to come on your show, even though I'm in the midst of a huge book deadline, is because I'm really concerned about this nihilistic discourse that there's literally nothing that could be done. I mean, that is exactly where the politicians want to go. I worry that ordinary people have that idea. The problem is – I mean, it's absurd.

I think the thing that – the reason I wanted to come on your show, even though I'm in the midst of a huge book deadline, is because I'm really concerned about this nihilistic discourse that there's literally nothing that could be done. I mean, that is exactly where the politicians want to go. I worry that ordinary people have that idea. The problem is – I mean, it's absurd.

I think the thing that – the reason I wanted to come on your show, even though I'm in the midst of a huge book deadline, is because I'm really concerned about this nihilistic discourse that there's literally nothing that could be done. I mean, that is exactly where the politicians want to go. I worry that ordinary people have that idea. The problem is – I mean, it's absurd.

I mean, this idea that you couldn't live in Los Angeles, right? It's like – It's like you can say it about anywhere. You'd be like, oh, it's there's snowfalls in this place during winter, you know, or hurricanes. I mean, we're in an area that's Hurricane Valley, right? Like huge amounts of hurricanes. That's that's not how humans roll.

I mean, this idea that you couldn't live in Los Angeles, right? It's like – It's like you can say it about anywhere. You'd be like, oh, it's there's snowfalls in this place during winter, you know, or hurricanes. I mean, we're in an area that's Hurricane Valley, right? Like huge amounts of hurricanes. That's that's not how humans roll.

I mean, this idea that you couldn't live in Los Angeles, right? It's like – It's like you can say it about anywhere. You'd be like, oh, it's there's snowfalls in this place during winter, you know, or hurricanes. I mean, we're in an area that's Hurricane Valley, right? Like huge amounts of hurricanes. That's that's not how humans roll.

Like we're capable of living in many different environments, including with extreme weather conditions. And it's like saying I can't stop my kids from dying of tetanus.

Like we're capable of living in many different environments, including with extreme weather conditions. And it's like saying I can't stop my kids from dying of tetanus.

Like we're capable of living in many different environments, including with extreme weather conditions. And it's like saying I can't stop my kids from dying of tetanus.

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