Monica Lewinsky

I mean, that's that's in a good wave or a bad wave, like because I'd be afraid to be swept up in a wave.

Yeah. Did you did you talk about like did you have a Harvey experience?

Yeah. Did you did you talk about like did you have a Harvey experience?

Yeah. I think this complicated thing happens in society where—and with change, where a big cultural change happens. And— it somehow feels like it's a switch that went, you know, like it was off and now it's on. And now everything is binary about is it from the off or the on or the before or the after or the yes or the no.

Yeah. I think this complicated thing happens in society where—and with change, where a big cultural change happens. And— it somehow feels like it's a switch that went, you know, like it was off and now it's on. And now everything is binary about is it from the off or the on or the before or the after or the yes or the no.

And it's so – and one of the things I appreciate about your writing is the nuance. And I think, you know, and that's what I hear you saying now of like trying to unpack these, you know – experiences and I went through the same thing. I think like with my own of just kind of first feeling and I know you

And it's so – and one of the things I appreciate about your writing is the nuance. And I think, you know, and that's what I hear you saying now of like trying to unpack these, you know – experiences and I went through the same thing. I think like with my own of just kind of first feeling and I know you

said a similar sentiment in your piece too, of like, am I the voice that like, there are a lot of other voices that should maybe be heard in this subject area. That's how I felt for myself. But I think that way of just trying to think, okay, how do we, how do you reprocess, but also allow yourself space to go and, Yes, it was that, but no, it wasn't that.

said a similar sentiment in your piece too, of like, am I the voice that like, there are a lot of other voices that should maybe be heard in this subject area. That's how I felt for myself. But I think that way of just trying to think, okay, how do we, how do you reprocess, but also allow yourself space to go and, Yes, it was that, but no, it wasn't that.

And also, I think I was very and have always been mindful of, gosh, I don't want to be getting on some bus that everybody's getting on. And like we, you know, it's always been really important to me to sort of differentiate the, yeah, there was abuse of power, but it was not sexual assault. You know, my experiences from 98.

And also, I think I was very and have always been mindful of, gosh, I don't want to be getting on some bus that everybody's getting on. And like we, you know, it's always been really important to me to sort of differentiate the, yeah, there was abuse of power, but it was not sexual assault. You know, my experiences from 98.

Really? I don't know. I mean, I always come away from our conversations and feel sort of renewed and like I've thought about something in a different way. And I've always been so impressed by how you've, especially over the years, like you've become an unpacker, like a real unpacker of looking at things and reevaluating and I've

Really? I don't know. I mean, I always come away from our conversations and feel sort of renewed and like I've thought about something in a different way. And I've always been so impressed by how you've, especially over the years, like you've become an unpacker, like a real unpacker of looking at things and reevaluating and I've

heard you talk about things in ways that are so like emotionally and spiritually impressive, if that makes sense.

heard you talk about things in ways that are so like emotionally and spiritually impressive, if that makes sense.

Yeah, no, it's interesting. I mean, we've known each other for a really long time, really long time.

Yeah, no, it's interesting. I mean, we've known each other for a really long time, really long time.

It was, it was very, um, I mean, I'm crying, but it happened to you.

It was, it was very, um, I mean, I'm crying, but it happened to you.

So I mean, just like, I think to explain, right. That the, uh, I had gone to temple, I think it was Yom Kippur. I'd gone to temple with some of my relatives here in New York and I wasn't a member of the congregation. And so the rabbi had used me as a negative example of something in his life. in his speech.