Nancy Skinner
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
Today on the show, we go on a kind of road trip for electric battery storage. Two stories from two states. We'll begin in California, where battery storage first took off in the U.S., to see how the state supported its wind and solar energy markets. And then we'll look at how battery storage was put to the test in Texas.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
These stories come from Planet Money's sister show, The Indicator, where we just ran a mini-series on batteries and energy.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
I am back indeed from the very sunny California where there are enough batteries to power 13 million homes. I wanted to go because I have no idea how batteries actually work. And I hope you learned this on the trip. I did. I connected with a battery storage facility that's connected to a solar farm spread across 2,900 acres.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
It's the equivalent of more than 2,000 football fields. It really did feel huge. It took a long time to drive through. The whole operation is called Cal Flats. It's owned by an independent power producer called Erevon. Justin Johnson is the chief operating officer there.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
Justin gave me a tour of the facility along with Anand Narayanan, Erivan's Senior VP of Asset Management.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
At the battery storage facility itself, there are rows of white containers not much taller than a person. I learned this is where it all happens.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
Yeah, we don't have the keys, unfortunately. That was a pretty fast no-go there. I just wanted to open the door. I don't see the problem here. The do not press button was so tempting. If I see a button, I want to press it. Either way, they told me that each one of these cabinets holds the batteries themselves. They're about the size of a large briefcase and are manufactured by Tesla.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
The batteries are similar to what would go in a Tesla car, which is also made up of lithium-ion.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
I know, yeah. It is wild.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
When the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow, there's no power. Several people approached Nancy to raise this issue.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
That hum you're hearing behind Justin is the HVAC system keeping the batteries cool because they're charging from that solar energy and probably also the heat just from how hot it is outside. The sun was very strong when I visited. Yeah, let's move to the shade.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
Yeah, we put that question to Justin.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
This new reliability in renewables is very attractive to tech companies like Google, Microsoft, Amazon. They already use solar and wind power, but they have power-hungry data centers to feed things like artificial intelligence. So they're buying up battery storage, too.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
In 2019, California had limited battery storage capacity. In April of last year, batteries could power 10 million homes for a period of time. Just six months later, that number grew to 13 million homes.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
Nonetheless, Nancy was optimistic that eventually it would happen if you created a market signal. So she introduced a bill requiring utilities to purchase a certain percentage of battery storage when they bought electricity. Nancy remembers pushback.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
Justin's company, Arrivon, believes in grid-scale battery storage so much it's invested $2 billion in the space. They already have five facilities in California, including Cal Flats, and it's looking at six more.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
So let's go to Texas. I'm going to hop out here and Darian, let you and Indicator co-host Waylon Wong pick it up after the break.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
In 2008, Nancy Skinner was elected to the California state legislature.
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Re-imagining the energy grid ... through batteries (Two Indicators)
Still, in 2010, the bill passed, although nothing really happened. Grid-scale batteries remained a pie-in-the-sky concept for years. And then all of a sudden, in 2021, batteries took off. Hello, and welcome to Planet Money. I'm Cooper Katzmachan.