Paul Hawken

But that inner journey and so forth was inevitably connected to everything you saw. And the way you saw it, I remember it so well. And because of that, I went into the natural food business, actually. And I no longer took any plant medicines. Not because I... thought they were bad or shouldn't or anything, I just stopped. I felt, I'm good.

But that inner journey and so forth was inevitably connected to everything you saw. And the way you saw it, I remember it so well. And because of that, I went into the natural food business, actually. And I no longer took any plant medicines. Not because I... thought they were bad or shouldn't or anything, I just stopped. I felt, I'm good.

And so subsequently to that, I would say it had more to do, not to say I didn't have experiences when I was a child, but it had more to do with being in nature and literally being in it and listening, watching, seeing, and then just being pretty much appalled by my ignorance by what I didn't know, you know, by lack of certainty, by just questions. And that exists to this day.

And so subsequently to that, I would say it had more to do, not to say I didn't have experiences when I was a child, but it had more to do with being in nature and literally being in it and listening, watching, seeing, and then just being pretty much appalled by my ignorance by what I didn't know, you know, by lack of certainty, by just questions. And that exists to this day.

And so subsequently to that, I would say it had more to do, not to say I didn't have experiences when I was a child, but it had more to do with being in nature and literally being in it and listening, watching, seeing, and then just being pretty much appalled by my ignorance by what I didn't know, you know, by lack of certainty, by just questions. And that exists to this day.

And I think what happened, Drew, is that when I was young, my home was a really bad place to be in. It wasn't safe. So I spent every moment I could outside. And I always felt safe in nature. Never felt threatened. Rattlesnakes, fires, this, that, nothing. It was cool. My uncle, who got captured...

And I think what happened, Drew, is that when I was young, my home was a really bad place to be in. It wasn't safe. So I spent every moment I could outside. And I always felt safe in nature. Never felt threatened. Rattlesnakes, fires, this, that, nothing. It was cool. My uncle, who got captured...

And I think what happened, Drew, is that when I was young, my home was a really bad place to be in. It wasn't safe. So I spent every moment I could outside. And I always felt safe in nature. Never felt threatened. Rattlesnakes, fires, this, that, nothing. It was cool. My uncle, who got captured...

in World War II by the Japanese and then escaped into the Philippines jungles for three years, I think. And then he fed himself on snakes. Wow. And so when I was growing up, he was a herpetologist. He studied snakes. That's what he, he had already studied them for three years in a way.

in World War II by the Japanese and then escaped into the Philippines jungles for three years, I think. And then he fed himself on snakes. Wow. And so when I was growing up, he was a herpetologist. He studied snakes. That's what he, he had already studied them for three years in a way.

in World War II by the Japanese and then escaped into the Philippines jungles for three years, I think. And then he fed himself on snakes. Wow. And so when I was growing up, he was a herpetologist. He studied snakes. That's what he, he had already studied them for three years in a way.

And so he would teach me how to handle snakes, and this is a boa, and this is a rattlesnake, and this is how you hold it, and don't grab it there, grab it here, and so forth. So there was that immersion into something we often feel threatened by, you know, a snake, right away we get, you know, alert, at least.

And so he would teach me how to handle snakes, and this is a boa, and this is a rattlesnake, and this is how you hold it, and don't grab it there, grab it here, and so forth. So there was that immersion into something we often feel threatened by, you know, a snake, right away we get, you know, alert, at least.

And so he would teach me how to handle snakes, and this is a boa, and this is a rattlesnake, and this is how you hold it, and don't grab it there, grab it here, and so forth. So there was that immersion into something we often feel threatened by, you know, a snake, right away we get, you know, alert, at least.

But I feel like that whole experience of being safe outside carried into the rest of my life. As opposed to seeing it as other or as a threat or I can't survive here. I can. I knew I could. So that's influenced me a lot. And then actually working in... I started a natural food company and what... interested me was because I started because the food was crap then. I'm sorry.

But I feel like that whole experience of being safe outside carried into the rest of my life. As opposed to seeing it as other or as a threat or I can't survive here. I can. I knew I could. So that's influenced me a lot. And then actually working in... I started a natural food company and what... interested me was because I started because the food was crap then. I'm sorry.

But I feel like that whole experience of being safe outside carried into the rest of my life. As opposed to seeing it as other or as a threat or I can't survive here. I can. I knew I could. So that's influenced me a lot. And then actually working in... I started a natural food company and what... interested me was because I started because the food was crap then. I'm sorry.

It was just like it is now, but in many cases, but it, I wanted to have organic food. And that was the term we use. And then, and I spent several years trying, contracting, meeting with, and learning from farmers all over the country who had been processing organic agriculture sometimes for decades and decades. They didn't change because there was demand.

It was just like it is now, but in many cases, but it, I wanted to have organic food. And that was the term we use. And then, and I spent several years trying, contracting, meeting with, and learning from farmers all over the country who had been processing organic agriculture sometimes for decades and decades. They didn't change because there was demand.

It was just like it is now, but in many cases, but it, I wanted to have organic food. And that was the term we use. And then, and I spent several years trying, contracting, meeting with, and learning from farmers all over the country who had been processing organic agriculture sometimes for decades and decades. They didn't change because there was demand.