Paul Hawken

It makes it into pieces and parts. And then you think, well, what am I going to do with that? How am I going to exploit that? Can I do this? Can I do this? Whatever, and so forth. That was the birth of the type of medicine that's being practiced to this day in the West. And it has some good sides, it has some very destructive sides, you know.

It's very different than Ayurvedic medicine, which goes back, you know, I don't know, 4,000 years, 5,000 years? I mean, on your program you're talking about C-15, right? And, well, C15 is in ghee, which has been used in India for thousands and thousands of years, even by vegetarians practically. Why? How do they know? They didn't know it by name or code.

It's very different than Ayurvedic medicine, which goes back, you know, I don't know, 4,000 years, 5,000 years? I mean, on your program you're talking about C-15, right? And, well, C15 is in ghee, which has been used in India for thousands and thousands of years, even by vegetarians practically. Why? How do they know? They didn't know it by name or code.

It's very different than Ayurvedic medicine, which goes back, you know, I don't know, 4,000 years, 5,000 years? I mean, on your program you're talking about C-15, right? And, well, C15 is in ghee, which has been used in India for thousands and thousands of years, even by vegetarians practically. Why? How do they know? They didn't know it by name or code.

But somehow they figured out how to create a diet and a food system that created healthy people, right? And so I think that... Where we are right now is this meeting. Maybe it's not a meeting in a traditional sense, but I mean, we're seeing this explosion of Western science as it continues to, but we're also seeing it meet indigenous wisdom. It's called traditional ecological knowledge.

But somehow they figured out how to create a diet and a food system that created healthy people, right? And so I think that... Where we are right now is this meeting. Maybe it's not a meeting in a traditional sense, but I mean, we're seeing this explosion of Western science as it continues to, but we're also seeing it meet indigenous wisdom. It's called traditional ecological knowledge.

But somehow they figured out how to create a diet and a food system that created healthy people, right? And so I think that... Where we are right now is this meeting. Maybe it's not a meeting in a traditional sense, but I mean, we're seeing this explosion of Western science as it continues to, but we're also seeing it meet indigenous wisdom. It's called traditional ecological knowledge.

That is the ecological knowledge that the 5,000 cultures, you know, that non-Western cultures had and acted upon and act upon to this day. And what we're discovering is not how much more we know. I think what we're discovering is that we don't know. In other words, that it's more of a mystery, the living world, And so that produces a sense of humility, a sense of discovery, a sense of wow.

That is the ecological knowledge that the 5,000 cultures, you know, that non-Western cultures had and acted upon and act upon to this day. And what we're discovering is not how much more we know. I think what we're discovering is that we don't know. In other words, that it's more of a mystery, the living world, And so that produces a sense of humility, a sense of discovery, a sense of wow.

That is the ecological knowledge that the 5,000 cultures, you know, that non-Western cultures had and acted upon and act upon to this day. And what we're discovering is not how much more we know. I think what we're discovering is that we don't know. In other words, that it's more of a mystery, the living world, And so that produces a sense of humility, a sense of discovery, a sense of wow.

What I said earlier about insects having emotions, that's such an anathema. If you said that even 10 or 12 years ago, you'd just be laughed at. You know, in college, you wrote a paper, you'd be good enough. You wouldn't pass, you know, and so forth. So the rate of discovery right now is really on, is the threshold of what we don't know, what we didn't know.

What I said earlier about insects having emotions, that's such an anathema. If you said that even 10 or 12 years ago, you'd just be laughed at. You know, in college, you wrote a paper, you'd be good enough. You wouldn't pass, you know, and so forth. So the rate of discovery right now is really on, is the threshold of what we don't know, what we didn't know.

What I said earlier about insects having emotions, that's such an anathema. If you said that even 10 or 12 years ago, you'd just be laughed at. You know, in college, you wrote a paper, you'd be good enough. You wouldn't pass, you know, and so forth. So the rate of discovery right now is really on, is the threshold of what we don't know, what we didn't know.

So if they have emotions, well, but they don't have a cerebrum, so how, what's their cortex? They don't have a cortex. Well, how can they do this? And so there's a great deal of, what's it, revealing of what we don't know going on right now. And the fact that mother bats have a different lingo than the male bats, and they call it motherese. And they name their young.

So if they have emotions, well, but they don't have a cerebrum, so how, what's their cortex? They don't have a cortex. Well, how can they do this? And so there's a great deal of, what's it, revealing of what we don't know going on right now. And the fact that mother bats have a different lingo than the male bats, and they call it motherese. And they name their young.

So if they have emotions, well, but they don't have a cerebrum, so how, what's their cortex? They don't have a cortex. Well, how can they do this? And so there's a great deal of, what's it, revealing of what we don't know going on right now. And the fact that mother bats have a different lingo than the male bats, and they call it motherese. And they name their young.

And they teach them about the male bats on the other side of the cave. Watch out for that one. And if you take the ultrasonic sounds that they're making, which we can't hear, and you slow it down so you can hear it, it is the most beautiful sound you've ever heard, and you've never heard anything like it. That's what I mean about we're just at these thresholds. We're like, whoa.

And they teach them about the male bats on the other side of the cave. Watch out for that one. And if you take the ultrasonic sounds that they're making, which we can't hear, and you slow it down so you can hear it, it is the most beautiful sound you've ever heard, and you've never heard anything like it. That's what I mean about we're just at these thresholds. We're like, whoa.

And they teach them about the male bats on the other side of the cave. Watch out for that one. And if you take the ultrasonic sounds that they're making, which we can't hear, and you slow it down so you can hear it, it is the most beautiful sound you've ever heard, and you've never heard anything like it. That's what I mean about we're just at these thresholds. We're like, whoa.

Where do we live and who are these 8.4 million species? And what we know is they're communicating every single moment, every day, everywhere on the world. They're talking to each other, just like our cells talk to each other. And what are they saying? What do they know? And we've long thought that if our intelligence could understand everything.