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Quinta Jurecic

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The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

There are someβ€”there's some sneakiness in how he's worded that particular tweet.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

There are someβ€”there's some sneakiness in how he's worded that particular tweet.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

Yeah, absolutely. So when he saysβ€” Let me read you the full tweet because I think the examples he uses are actually important. So he says, he ends by saying that judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. The two examples that he leads in with are, if a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

Yeah, absolutely. So when he saysβ€” Let me read you the full tweet because I think the examples he uses are actually important. So he says, he ends by saying that judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. The two examples that he leads in with are, if a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

If a judge tried to command the attorney general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that's also illegal. So what Vance says is, judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. And... Framing it that way, I think... leaves open the question of what is legitimate power and who determines what is legitimate power, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

If a judge tried to command the attorney general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that's also illegal. So what Vance says is, judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power. And... Framing it that way, I think... leaves open the question of what is legitimate power and who determines what is legitimate power, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

He's not quite saying this, but I think the implication is, well, is it the court that determines whether something is a legitimate use of executive power? Or is it the executive who determines whether something is a legitimate use of executive power? Typically, we would say that is actually the job of the court. That is the whole point of having judicial review.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

He's not quite saying this, but I think the implication is, well, is it the court that determines whether something is a legitimate use of executive power? Or is it the executive who determines whether something is a legitimate use of executive power? Typically, we would say that is actually the job of the court. That is the whole point of having judicial review.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

Now, it's a little bit more complicated that, but at the high level, that's the whole check that the judicial branch provides. Vance, I think, is not quite saying but hinting Well, maybe if I, the executive branch, decide that a court has intruded on my legitimate power, the constitutionally appropriate thing for me to do would just be to ignore the court.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

Now, it's a little bit more complicated that, but at the high level, that's the whole check that the judicial branch provides. Vance, I think, is not quite saying but hinting Well, maybe if I, the executive branch, decide that a court has intruded on my legitimate power, the constitutionally appropriate thing for me to do would just be to ignore the court.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

And that, I think, is what pretty much everybody would recognize as a constitutional crisis.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

And that, I think, is what pretty much everybody would recognize as a constitutional crisis.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

That seems to me to be right. I mean, I think there is a big question of whether or not it will backfire in the sense that the justices will not take particularly kindly to being threatened, and threatened not only by the vice president, but by someone who is very much within the same kind of elite legal circles that the justices themselves frequent, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

That seems to me to be right. I mean, I think there is a big question of whether or not it will backfire in the sense that the justices will not take particularly kindly to being threatened, and threatened not only by the vice president, but by someone who is very much within the same kind of elite legal circles that the justices themselves frequent, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

Vance very famously went to Yale Law School. He's kind of within that milieu. And so I think there's also a kind of like intra-legal elite struggle going on here. It certainly seems to me as if he is trying to fire a warning shot. What is less clear is how urgent this threat is.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

Vance very famously went to Yale Law School. He's kind of within that milieu. And so I think there's also a kind of like intra-legal elite struggle going on here. It certainly seems to me as if he is trying to fire a warning shot. What is less clear is how urgent this threat is.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

And what I mean by that is that I think this is sort of something that you put on the table and it's quite hard to take back. It will be hanging over the court. The question in my mind is how they decide to play it. You know, because you could say, on the one hand, they could respond by essentially saying, how dare you? We're going to do what we're going to do, and you can't stop us.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

And what I mean by that is that I think this is sort of something that you put on the table and it's quite hard to take back. It will be hanging over the court. The question in my mind is how they decide to play it. You know, because you could say, on the one hand, they could respond by essentially saying, how dare you? We're going to do what we're going to do, and you can't stop us.

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

You know, kind of pushing back. On the other hand, you know, as everyone learns, the court does not have its own enforcement apparatus. It's dependent on the executive kind of agreeing to follow what it says. And that is really the basis of the sort of agreement that binds together the constitutional structure. And so...

The Ezra Klein Show
What if Trump Just Ignores the Courts?

You know, kind of pushing back. On the other hand, you know, as everyone learns, the court does not have its own enforcement apparatus. It's dependent on the executive kind of agreeing to follow what it says. And that is really the basis of the sort of agreement that binds together the constitutional structure. And so...