Randall Carlson
Appearances
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
What we're seeing here is evidence that planet Earth is part of a much larger cosmic ecosystem and that sometimes things happen in the cosmos and it translates directly into events down here below in the surface of the planet. The question is not, does it work? The question is, how does it work? To me, I look at it and go, this is, it's transmutation, it's alchemy.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
That was the water that was, I believe, that was coming out of Canada. It filled the basin of Missoula Basin up 1,000 feet deep. where the town of Missoula now is. This is actually taken, I took this picture standing on the campus of the University of Montana. You can actually see it very clearly. And the question is, is where these separate floods or was it all one flood?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I think it was all one flood that subsided you know, incrementally as the water drained off. Right. Okay.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I think it was a lake that filled up rapidly and then drained off somewhat slower. And you can, and once you understand this, the, the, the basin here, Missoula basin, in order for this water to drain out, it had to go through this torturous route of, of valleys with constrictions, basins, 180-degree hairpin turns.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And what that meant was that the rise and the fall in water level is not going to be smooth. It's going to be a stepped process, right? And I think that's what you're seeing right here. But this is what Pardee saw back when he wrote his 1910 paper thought the strand lines. And then looking at the floor of the valleys had layered deposits, like you would expect to have occurred in a lake. Um, okay.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Next slide. All right, so this is the same thing, you see. And so this is the kind of evidence that when we are... You know, what I tell people is, well, we're like detectives, and we're going to try to solve this, because this might be part of the murder mystery. What happened to the great megafauna? Because for one thing, I can tell you this.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
85 to 90% of all of the megafauna remains that have been found, the fossils excavated, they're all in flood deposits. Virtually all of them. Okay. Primarily gravel pits over and over again. And gravel, gravel pits, peat bogs are the primary two places that you find the skeletal remains. Now, when you get up near the Arctic circle, you find them embedded in permafrost. Mm-hmm .
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yet the permafrost itself looks to be gigantic flood deposits that subsequently froze.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So he just hadn't really dove deep enough into it. The problem is now is again, there's way too many independent people that have been involved with it. And like I said, skeptics, um, that have, you know, tested it rigorously. I've been present when, you know, scientists from Los Alamos laboratory are testing it. Right. And they're like, okay, this works.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yes.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah. dozens and dozens. I mean, I've collected, I've got three ring binders. I don't know how many, you know, with probably three to 400 papers in there discussing. And then I've got PDF files that I've studied online the last 10 years, probably another three or 400. So yeah, going through these, you know, what are the circumstances in which these remains are found?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And over and over and over again, they're found in flood deposits.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I know. It isn't known. Again, it's a matter of putting the pieces together.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, see, there have been people that have been doing it, but when I look back at people that were doing some of this, like Brett's, You know, he was working from the 20s to the 1950s. You know, same with Pardee. You know, these guys didn't have the tools that we now have. You know, when Bretz was mapping, we just saw those maps of the Channel Scablands, right?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I can show you papers that he would have written like in 1928, and you'd look at his maps that he drew by going over in cars, and the roads were hardly any roads, cars, horseback, on foot. It took them 20, 25 years to draw maps that now we see in the satellite images are almost perfectly duplicated, right?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But, you know, I guess the thing is, is that, you know, I started into this research in the 1970s. So I've been doing it for, you know, going 40 years. Really? Well, let's see if I started clearly, I was undertaking these studies by 1975, 1976. So that's 50 years ago and I've been doing it obsessively. So.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I'm not surprised that there aren't too many people because who else is going to be looking at this? Geologists? Well, geologists, what are they mainly doing? They work for government and they work for industry. They're looking for hydrocarbon deposits. They're looking for minerals. They're looking for, you know, they're not looking even at the land itself.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
What they refer to, like if you have a big gravel deposit that I now know, yeah, this is a backwash flood from a huge flow, right? They call that overburden. They're not interested in that. They're looking at getting under the overburden to see where's the coal? Where are the natural gas deposits? Where are the precious minerals? Where are the hydrocarbons? All of that stuff.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
That's what they're looking for, right? They're not looking for that. When I first started these and going on field trips guided by geologists, these geologists were for the most part doing it in their spare time. Nobody was funding them. Nobody's subsidizing them. Like when I went out, you know, going back to the eighties and the nineties and things. Yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
They're all doing it out of their own pockets in their spare time, but You know, I, I, I'm, I'm surprised that not more of them are putting the big picture together. Um, and you know, correlating well, what is the connection between these climate changes that we're seeing with the mega funnel extinctions, with the floods, with the legends, with the oral tradition, right?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But, you know, he's a controversial character. And when you hear his story, it sounds unbelievable. That's why Roland Perry wrote it up as a fictional account. But from my knowledge, I haven't seen anything outside of the fact that he had this whole period where they were trying to scare away investors.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
No, you said remnants of the boats. Do we know what, were they wood? Wood, yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Advanced boats 40,000 years ago.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Where are they putting ocean level at 40,000?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Because, I mean, if people are doing this... Composite materials held together with plant-based ropes for open-sea fishing. If so, then... Highly skilled and see highly skilled navigators would seem to imply at least some working knowledge of astronomy for sure. Yeah. I had, um,
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
read a number of articles from recent years about, you know, the, the, uh, settling of various islands, including, you know, Malta and some of the islands in the Mediterranean, which have gone back 50,000 years ago and would have seemed to obviously imply that they had some seafaring capacity.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Rather than like they just said there, rather than just like kind of almost drifting accidentally on a raft or something. But yeah, that kind of brings us back to the idea of if they could, that navigational skill, it wouldn't have been out of the question that they could have, in my mind, sailed across an ocean. especially if they knew of intermediate islands.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And, you know, in the Atlantic, once you sail out of the Straits of Gibraltar, you've got Madeira right there. And then beyond that, you've got the Azores. And during the Ice Age, the Azores would have been much larger because of lowered sea level. And I would argue also much larger because of isostatic movement.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Because when the ice is melting, most of that ice, all of the ice of the Laurentide Ice Sheet ends up in the Atlantic. The ice of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet all ended up in the Pacific. But so you had major drainage into the Arctic Ocean via the McKenzie River Valley. the Hudson River Valley into the North Atlantic, or the St.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Lawrence Seaway, rather, into the North Atlantic, and then you had the Mississippi River into the Gulf of Mexico. Well, all of those end up in the Atlantic Ocean. And there is evidence, we didn't talk about Atlantis at all, but there is evidence that there was a fairly significant isostatic shift
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
compensation because as North America, Canada area is rising because of the release from the glaciers, all that weight is being dumped into the Atlantic. And, you know, the thinnest crust on the earth is this mid-Atlantic ridge area. And that would be an area where you would probably concentrate major vertical crustal shifts.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And so they bribed journalists, they bribed politicians in Australia and Tasmania to create this impression. And the problem is, I guess you could say, is Malcolm, you know, like I said, he's an eccentric character.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
It just so happens that the Azores are the peaks of mountains that are sitting on what's referred to as a microcontinent. that's sitting a mile and a half under the ocean at that point. And it's just maybe almost not quite the size of Iceland. But it sits flanking astride the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. And I've got a whole presentation that I've done on Atlantis going through Plato's account.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
in Timaeus and Critias line by line, analyzing whether his geology and his geography and his astronomy and so on is consistent and makes sense, and it does. It does. And what really initially... inspired me to reread that, which I had read a long time ago, was realizing that Meltwater Pulse 1B precisely aligned with Plato's account of Atlantis 11,600 years ago.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Oh, okay, so Atlantis supposedly subsided. It was this great seismic event. It subsided 9,000 years prior to Solon's journey to Egypt. Or 9,000, you know, give or take a decade or a few decades. And then we see there's meltwater pulse 1B, which was a very rapid rise of sea level, which would have been enough, presumably, to elicit a isostatic response.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So that's what really, I think I'm going to look into this more. So I started going line by line. I procured three or four different translations of Plato's account. And then I even got the original Greek so I could go through and, okay, what's the Greek word for island? You know, that kind of thing. And the pieces really seemed to fit together.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So then the question was, well, if people were seafaring, during the Ice Age, really, that would have been one of the prime habitable real estate regions on the planet. Find your way there, and at that time, the Gulf Stream, which now goes all the way up to the UK and Scandinavia and dumps its heat up there, it wrapped right around the Azores during the Ice Age. And I thought, well...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So, you know, when you start interviewing him, you know, and you've got this context of, you know, that he is this whatever grifter or whatever, and then you're talking to him, you know, some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth is pretty unbelievable. Yeah. And he says he got in a gunfight with assassins. And Joe was like, get out of here.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Gosh, you know, if I was suddenly transported back to the Ice Age, that looked like probably a good place to be. And if we accept the fact that people were potentially seafarers. Now, when I was actually doing this, this was in the 90s. So a lot of this research about the seafaring capabilities of ancient peoples hadn't been published yet.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So I was speculating, well, if they had seafaring capabilities, say, 15, 20, 25,000 years ago, the fact, you know, how is it really so unbelievable that they might have found their way to the Azores, that they would have been island hopping perhaps? During the Ice Age, there was a... There was an island just immediately west of the Straits of Gibraltar called, let's see, Spartel.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
They call it Spartel, and they refer to it, now it's called the Spartel Bank. And it's completely underwater, but they've been able to recently show that during the Ice Age, it was above water. It would have been a natural place to sail to. And then beyond that, you have Madeira. And then beyond that, when Ryan's back, we could actually even have him pull up Google Maps.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
You'll be able to see for yourself. Oh, look at there. Yeah, there it is. That's it. Yeah, Spartel Paleo Island, high-resolution bathymetry. So that's a sunken island right there. And during the Ice Age, that was above water, and that would have been a natural place to sojourn or even colonize or certainly a wayfaring place if they were sailing further west. And where is this exactly now then?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, there it is right there. So, yeah, once you've traveled through, you hit that. And they're theorizing that that could have been the origin of Atlantis. Okay. Personally, I think it was the Azores. Right. The most likely candidate.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, again, I'm going by Plato's accounts. And he describes how there was a series of islands that led to this larger island. In some cases, it's a singular. In some places, it's plural. And then beyond that lies the true, what does he describe? The true continent. So the geography of it, yeah, okay, let's take a look there. You can see there's the Azores Plateau right there.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
and the islands of the play of the azores right there there was our mountain those are the tops of mountains but there there was there were like seashells found that were uh that would have only formed at sea level and those are yeah all kinds of things shallow water coprolites So those are, you know, the, the, uh, X, X, X, God, what's the word?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Um, those are the things that, you know, the creatures just excrement poop. If you want that's the word I was. Thank you. Um, and they're found a mile down and they are, um, uh, of creatures that are now known to live in less than a hundred or 200 feet of water. That's just one. There's multiple examples. But yeah, there's a whole, it's called a microcontinent.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I don't know. Well, diving. Yeah. You're going to have to have a submersible because you're going a mile down.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, the problem is, is that the sinking of it would have caused a major amount of erosion for sure. Redeposition of material. Um, And, you know, I don't know if all the details, like Plato describes the continent itself, which is a series of islands. But then he also describes the city. Now, that could be two totally different things. You know, this city with these giant canals and things.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
You know, I'm open to that possibility just because we see that the engineering capabilities of these ancient cultures are extremely impressive. But I don't necessarily believe that. You can take the geology as one thing, and then you can look at the idea of Atlantean infrastructure as a different thing altogether. Now, could the Atlantis tradition have evolved from a colony? What Plato describes,
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah, and I've talked to Roland. And Roland, like I said, he's highly credible. You look him up, he's probably one of Australia's best-selling authors. And he's also got connections. He was an investigative journalist. And he said, yeah, I spent five years investigating him. So, so there's this whole other backstory that Joe was completely unfamiliar with. Gotcha.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
There's a large infrastructure of concentric rings that connect to the ocean, and that it was seafaring, that it was a very active seaport. Almost, if you might imagine, the Minoans or the Phoenicians, but maybe an order of magnitude greater. And then he places it, what would have been like 12,000, 13,000 years ago. and describes how there were 10 original Kings.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And, you know, there's kind of a mythic substrate to the whole story. But, um, once you get beyond that, then it sounds like, well, there's nothing really that's so implausible that you should want to just knee jerk, dismiss the idea that Atlantis could have been, uh, descended from a, a mid Atlantic Island culture. And, uh,
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
You know, now, if you look at any geologically acceptable explanation, it's usually the island of Santorini in the eastern Mediterranean and the volcano Terra that erupted. That would have been about the time roughly, what was it there, 1900 BC, I think, when it erupted. And let's see. maybe not that no 900 BC.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I think 900 BC because some of the arguments are is because Plato very explicitly gives the dating as 9,000 years prior to Solon. I think they showed several researchers showed, well, Santorini, uh, Tara erupted around 900 years before. So therefore the translators made a mistake. And, uh, What do we got here? Let's see what this is. This is, oh yeah, that's Santorini right there.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah, that's in the Eastern Mediterranean. And that erupted and it probably sent a big tsunami that hit the island of Crete and was responsible for destroying the civilization on Crete. And then so a lot of scholars have said, well, that was the most likely origin story of Atlantis.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Let me put it to you this way. When I was really first really studying early on, studying impact structures, I thought the Rishad structure looked like a prime candidate for an impact structure. so i started reading into it and then i saw that the consensus was that it was not a impact a hypervelocity impact that it was actually a ex endogenic meaning from within and it was likely a
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
salt dome that had risen up, which they do, and then had been leveled off through erosion. Yeah, there it is right there. Because people kept asking me, what about the reshat structure? Well, I had already heard of it in the context of having been looking for impact structures, and so I had read, and there is a whole upwelling of magma below it.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Um, and I could, you know, I have that all in this Atlantis program. And, um, my main problem with it is that it's what a couple of thousand feet above sea level. So I'm like, well, wait a second. If, if, if we take the Atlantis account at face value, it's very clear that it subsided. I mean, everything, all of the translations, the Greek itself only create one scenario.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And what I would do is if we go back then, and I've, I've, I've actually refrained from going back on Joe's because when, when I was on there that February, I believe when it was, I knew that that following summer, that there was a whole testing regimen that was going to be underway. I mean, I can show you now they've, they've, you know, there's a, there's a, uh, a substation outside of London.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
It's subsided beneath the Atlantic and it describes it as being west, west of the pillars of Heracles, which is the, um, straights of Gibraltar. And it describes how there is a series of several islands. You cross those islands, you get to the islands of Atlantis.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And then if you keep going, you get to the opposite, the continent that's on the opposite side of the true ocean, which almost seems to imply somebody knew about North America. And they called it, you know, Atlantic, the true ocean. And then they refer to the Mediterranean as being only a harbor to the true ocean. And that this Atlantis was an island or islands in the mid Atlantic that sank.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And the Azores plateau has all kinds of evidence of having sunk at the end of the last ice age. Um, We, you know, definitely we could go through it. If he had it there, I would say, let's pull it up and look at it. But I'd rather like look at it when we've got the slides and I can show you the quotes. And I have to disagree with Jimmy on this one.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And the main reason I would say, first of all, is that, well, number two reasons. One is that there have been extensive geological studies that would suggest it's a purely natural feature. And if you can imagine you've got strata, layers like this, multiple strata, and then you have an updoming, and then you were to decapitate that, what you would see is a series of concentric rings.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But then I've taken Plato's account, which is he gives very detailed analysis of the ring structure, which is the city, and they're all based on states. And it's a very precise geometry. And I've taken that because a state is just over 600 feet. So he describes the ring structure. He gives the exact measurements and states. So I've recreated that.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Then I've juxtaposed that at scale on the reshet structure, and they're completely disproportionate. The reshat structure is way too big. And when you see that, that's pretty, because a lot of people that were like, which is it who have looked at my material I've put together have come away convinced that, yeah, maybe this is not looking so credible.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
His backstory is quite interesting, but I've been able to vet it, and I had a long conversation with Roland Perry, who's, Australia's probably one of his top-selling authors of Australia, and he's known Malcolm for years, and wrote a fictional book based upon Malcolm's real experiences from when he was an oil prospector, like a maverick. And he had into a big conflict with – was it Chevron?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But yeah, I would actually prefer to be able to actually, we walk through the evidence first. Yeah, and it's good stuff. And enough that a couple of fellows that have seen it actually now have gone to the Azores. One of them has been there twice now. Came back and people on the Azores actually have legends and the belief that, oh yeah, yeah, this is it. This was Atlantis.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And there's a lot more to the history.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Exactly. Exactly.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
with a 300-kilowatt Perkins generator that feeds into the London power grid, and they built an industrial-grade thunderstorm generator is kind of the term for it. They installed it on this generator, and they've been running tests on it, but they weren't able to get approval to use it as part of the grid. So they had to bring in an international testing company called Element or Elements.
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Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
The Canaries.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
All what is called Macronesia. Not Micronesia, but Macronesia includes the Azores, Madeira, and the Canaries. Maybe some others, but those are the main ones that compose that. Yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I mean, it comes down to, you know, it's almost like there are certain things. This is the standard narrative, which is that, you know, Hey, You're part of the elite that believes in real science, and these characters over here, they believe in pseudoscience like Atlantis. Well, you don't even look at, you know, like I went into it with an open mind.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I wasn't a believer or non-believer in Atlantis, other than the fact that it struck me as very coincidental, the timing of it. I read a couple of books in the late 70s after I read Ignatius Donnelly. Then I read a couple more books. One of them was called The Secret of Atlantis by Otto Muck.
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Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
He was a German physicist who believed that Atlantis was in the mid-Atlantic and it had been destroyed when there was a hypervelocity bolide impact into the Atlantic Ocean. And he published that book in 79 or 80. And I read it around that time. And I thought, and he also, that was the first place I ever heard of the Carolina Bays.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Because his theory was that you had a large object coming in from the northwest. It spalled off. thousands and thousands of pieces of the outer as it's coming in at a low angle into the atmosphere. And all of these pieces are what caused the Carolina Bays. And then the main bulk of the nucleus of this thing plunged into the Atlantic Ocean.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And that was when, and I think it was translated into English from the German in 1980, which was interesting because he speculates in there that the object was originally about six miles in diameter. Well, that same year is when you had the Alvarez hypothesis about the extinction of the dinosaurs.
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Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
They published the paper about the Cretaceous-Tertiary mass extinction, and they had found this iridium layer in Italy at a KT outcrop. And they weren't looking for that, they just, they were looking at something else.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
They wanted to know how much, what they were doing was they were looking at this, it's called the fish layer, the magic layer, it had a bunch of names, but it was the transition between the Cretaceous down here and the Tertiary up here. And they wanted to know how much time actually transpired between this transition between
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And this was also not only the Cretaceous period and the Tertiary, it was also the distinction, the separation between the Mesozoic era and the Cenozoic era. So it was a major dividing line, and it seemed that you had this... And you can actually see pictures of the Alvarez father-son team standing. And the thing is only like this thick.
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But so they analyzed it to try to figure out how much time elapsed. you know, over the succession of this stuff. And that's when they discovered the iridium spike. And then they thought, where does, it was like 100 times or more than the background account of iridium. And iridium is rare in the Earth's crust because it's a siderophile. It loves iron.
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So the assumption was is that the absence of iridium in the Earth's crust was because in the early days of the Earth's formation, Yeah, there you go, right there. There it is, the Paleocene. They've changed the names a little bit. So you've got the Cretaceous, which was the final period of the Mesozoic or era of middle life.
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Then you have the Paleocene, which is the first epoch of the Cenozoic, which is recent life. Separating them is that iridium layer right there. And so what they did was they weren't looking for the iridium layer, but they found the iridium layer when they were analyzing, trying to figure out how much time had elapsed.
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So then they contact colleagues, I think Denmark, New Zealand, and one or two other places. and said, go back and look at that transition of Cretaceous to Tertiary and see if there's iridium enhancement. And everywhere they looked, there was. And it quickly became, within a couple of years, apparent that the whole world had apparently been dusted in iridium.
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Now, I was saying that iridium is a siderophile, so the idea was that in the early days of the molten earth, iridium bonded to the iron, and iron being dense, it subsided deep into the mantle and took the iridium with it, leaving the Earth's crust deficient in iridium. But iridium is found in abundance in meteorites.
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And so they then, from spectral analysis of meteorites and actual samples of meteorites, they had a pretty good idea of the... the percentage of iridium that would be, as I say, in a carbonaceous chondritic meteorite. And from that, they then said, well, if the whole world got dusted with iridium at this concentration, then how big of an asteroid would it take
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And they spent like three months testing it. And yeah, I've seen that the certification that they released said, yeah, it's real.
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to deposit, to carry that much iridium into the Earth's, you know, into the Terra sphere and deposit it. And their calculations led to an asteroid about six miles in diameter, which interestingly was the same size as that speculated by Otto Muck for the impact at the, would have been the Younger Dryas, roughly boundary in there. Now, that didn't, I don't think that happened. Why?
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Because, well, if a six-mile asteroid had hit the Earth 12,000 years ago, I don't think we'd be here now. You know, we would have been wiped out. Mankind would have become extinct along with, you know. At least three quarters of other species. The KT boundary, three quarters of all species, terrestrial and marine, went extinct. So it was a major, major event. Even if it hit the ice?
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Well, there was probably not ice at the KT boundary. We're talking 66 million years ago.
Matt Beall Limitless
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No. Okay. No. The energy released would have been unbelievably catastrophic.
Matt Beall Limitless
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No, but I think we may have had pieces that were up to half a kilometer or more in diameter. Okay. Given, given some of the, the, the, the melting rates and stuff, I think. And, and where I'm trying to come up with now is I'm leaning towards thinking there may have been several episodes of bombardment coming out of the ice age.
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you know, like those two extreme spikes that we saw could have both been impact events. And this is, this is not implausible because if you have a large comet that's captured into a sub Jovian orbit, meaning it's, you know, this ping cosmic ping pong between Jupiter and the sun and it's disintegrating, what it's doing is it's, it's,
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littering its orbit with the debris, the byproducts of that disintegration. Well, if it's a shorter period comet, it's going to be laying close to the ecliptic, which is Earth's orbital plane. So that creates the potential for Earth to cross a band across the debris stream. Like right now, we cross, for example, the torrid meteor stream twice each year.
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One time it peaked right around late October, early November. Interestingly, right around Halloween. And that is the fall time torrids. And during that episode, when Earth crosses the stream, and you actually look up the stream, you're looking out towards the constellation of Taurus, the bull. That's why it's called the Taurids.
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Well, it's right up there.
Matt Beall Limitless
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Well, then that stuff circulates around the sun, and then the earth crosses the stream after it's made its perihelion passage, which is closest passage to the sun.
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It is right up there. And, and I'm not surprised. I think at some point, Joe will have to issue a retraction saying, yeah, well, regardless of what you think about Malcolm, the technology is real. Okay. Yeah. And, uh,
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That stuff, picture it, it's going in, it's passing close to the sun, it's coming back out, and now Earth is crossing it, but it's very difficult to see because you're now looking in the direction of the sun because this stuff is coming from behind the sun, whereas in the fall time, you're looking in the opposite direction.
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And the radiant point, the point from which this debris appears to be emanating, is almost a bull's eye on the Pleiades, which is the shoulder of the bull, which leads us into some very interesting symbolism, ancient symbolism about the bull.
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And, okay, so then on July, June 30th, July 1st is when the summertime torrids, and interestingly, the Tunguska event, which you've probably heard of, right? 1908, occurred on June 30th, 1908, early in the morning. And eyewitness accounts have pretty much been able to place it as coming from the direction of the sun. So the date is auspicious because that's the peak of the summertime torrents.
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And the position in the sky is where you would expect to see a torrent meteor appearing to emanate from. So that is my, that doesn't, it's not proof, but it makes a strong circumstantial case that the Tunguska event of 1908 was a member of the torrent streams. And there's a group of British astronomers that have been studying cometary and the evolutionary life cycle of comets for many decades.
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And they conclude that, yes, periodically, maybe once every 5,000 to 10,000 years, a very large comet, can get captured into a sub-Jovian orbit, meaning within the orbit of Jupiter, it'll begin to undergo a hierarchy of disintegration events and it will litter Earth's orbital path with clusters of debris. Eventually that debris will spread out uniformly throughout the orbital path, but early on
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In the early stages of disintegration, there will be clumps, where as the Earth is passing through, the probability of an impact may be increases by a couple of orders of magnitude. And it's the analogy I use is imagine you've got a racetrack and all these cars are racing around it, and then you've got just this empty country road that comes and cuts across the racetrack.
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Unless, you know, at this point, like, if it's not real, I mean, how he's fooling all of these people that, you know, I was there, you know, he had skeptics come in bringing their own equipment, you know, their own mass spectrometers, you know, having two generators hooked up side by side. No, one in one room, one in another room. One of them is outfitted with the technology.
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And if you're driving on the empty country road, there's no other traffic, your chances of having any collision are going to be very, very slim. Now, you hit the racetrack and you cross the first roadway of the racetrack. And now let's assume that it's early in the stages of disintegration. And so you've got your race cars are all clumped together pretty much.
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Right or even like if you watch a track meet the runners all start out together and then Later on they're all spread apart same idea. Well if the clump is over here when you're crossing your chances of Collision are small but if you're crossing and the clump is right there at the time the cluster or whatever now your probabilities increase enormously and
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And it's going to take, like the torrid meteor stream now is relatively diffused. But the evidence suggests that it was originally a very, very large comet that came into the inner solar system between 25,000 and 30,000 years ago. And what we now see is the torrid meteor stream is a remnant of the breakup of this really large comet. And it's very possible that that comet
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the influx of that material into the inner solar system and into an earth crossing orbit is what led to the final phase of the great ice age. Because remember I was talking about there being that intermediate period where it looked like there was forest growing in Canada. Well, that appears to have been over by sometime between 25 and 30,000 years ago. And then the ice began to rapidly re-expand.
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So a hypothesis might be is that comet comes in, breaks up. One thing might be is that a lot of it might end up as cosmic dust. Earth crosses through this cosmic dust. It gets accreted into Earth's atmosphere, increases the opacity of the atmosphere, reflects the sunlight back off, and then that triggers a drop in, radical drop in global temperature.
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Now, if you have an impact into land, well, now what happens? Well, impact into land, you're going to eject dust. will inject large amounts of dust into the atmosphere that will circulate around. It'll also produce primary fires at the point of impact. Then the fallback debris will create a whole bunch of secondary fires.
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So you end up with, like there's evidence that 10 to 20% of all the biomass on earth burned up at the Younger Dryas. That puts a lot of soot into the atmosphere. So between dust and soot, you're now increasing the opacity of the atmosphere. And to me, that is a likely explanation for this sudden plunge in temperature that was associated with the Younger Dryas.
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And then that has to clear out after a period of time. Now, what's interesting, though, is if you have an impact into the ocean, It's going to inject large amounts of water vapor. This is a greenhouse gas, the most effective greenhouse gas. So you're going to have a short-lived runaway greenhouse effect.
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Additionally, if you have a multi-impact event and some of those impacts are into land, you've got now particulate matter injected into the atmosphere. And that particulate matter provides the nuclei for raindrops. You know when they do...
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You know, by engineering and they're trying to create rain and they silver chloride and whatever it is that they dump into the atmosphere because that provides a nucleus and then the moisture in the atmosphere will accrete around that nucleus and rain out.
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They're both calibrated precisely. They've got gas analyzers. They've got mass spectrometers. There's like 10 of these guys there. And then they turn them on, monitor the affluence coming out of the pipe of one, the control generator, the other one with the technology outfitted on it, turn it on, and I can show you the results. I have the printout where you can see It's quite remarkable.
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So you're going to get the same effect if you have a lot of fine particulate matter in the atmosphere, along with water vapor, you now have the recipe for hellacious rainstorms. And I think that that could explain why we have major evidence for mega floods that are not geographically located where they could have been direct meltwater.
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And I've got some, if Ryan goes back to the, we'll just do like a quick. run through and you'll see some examples if you go back to my PowerPoint show Ryan okay so now this is kind of where we left off the slideshow these are the giant current ripples in Montana and showing the current flow this was I think I'm about 2,500 feet up when I took this picture So go to the next slide, Ryan.
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You can see how extraordinary these are. I mean, there's like actually, let's see. There's a farm down there. There's a couple of farms down there that you can barely see. So yeah, those hills in the distance were pretty much overtopped by the water. And this is a five-mile wide, the water was 1,400 feet deep. Okay, go on. Then this is in Washington.
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That's a gigantic boulder bar in the Columbia River that's also a relic of the same flood. Here the waters were about 800 feet deep. The ripples are on the same order of magnitude. There are 30 to 50 feet in amplitude and 200 to 400 feet in wavelength. Water was moving towards the viewer here. So these are two of the more famous prominent rippled fields, but there are many, there are dozens more.
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They're being discovered all the time, and especially now with LIDAR, they're showing up in places nobody knew that they existed. Let's go to the next slide. We'll go through it. Okay, pause here for a second. Now, I want you to look at this. This is a giant erratic boulder scattered over the hillsides in the Columbia Valley at the mouth of McNeil Canyon.
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Now, if you look up on top of those hills, you'll see that there are boulders scattered all the way to the top, right? You see some over there in the left just sitting around. Okay, so now go to the next slide. Okay, we've zoomed in, and the next slide, I put a couple of my buddies in the picture so you can see the scale of this thing.
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Yeah, so this giant deposited by a melting iceberg that was stranded on the hillside is found near the mouth of McNeil Canyon. Now go to the next slide, and here's a graphic I found in an old geology text that pretty much shows the mechanism. You have a giant, huge discharge of water choked with icebergs. And some of these icebergs have big erratic boulders sitting on them.
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And this perfectly pictures. Yeah, look at this picture. Now, this is now stranded on the hillside 400 feet above the Columbia. So this was water up to this level. This thing was sitting on an iceberg. And that iceberg stranded on the hillside here, then it melted away. And this is its cargo left behind. Let's see, go to the next. I think I've got one here.
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Pretty much, yeah, but I think I can show you how it ends up. There's a whole scenario that you have to reconstruct. You've got to be able to simultaneously produce, have some kind of event that produces huge amounts of meltwater, fractures large amounts of ice, and somehow can load some of those icebergs with these giant boulders. Now, here's another one here. This is Jaeger Rock.
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Glacio fluvial basalt erratic on the Waterville Plateau. So you see, the next slide should show you, yeah, and you can see the human figure there next to it. And see, this is, and you see it sitting in this mound of debris? Well, that's called a berg mound, because if you've got an iceberg that's coming from a glacier, that's really dirty ice. It's not clean ice.
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Now, let's suppose you've got a nice chunk of ice that's floating in the melt water, doesn't have the boulder on it, But when that chunk of ice strands, like it's being swept along, right? Then the water begins to subside. The ice will strand on the land. It'll come to ground. Then when it melts, it leaves behind, it's actually called a berg mound, right?
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And you can find hundreds, maybe even thousands of these berg mounds strewn all through the pathways of the floodwaters. Some of them have giant erratics. Most of them don't. Most of them are just a mound of debris. So it's just the dirt that was all inside of the ice. In the ice itself, yes. Wow. But that doesn't explain how you get a 10,000-ton boulder on it. Right.
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So how do you get a 10,000-ton boulder on it? Well, that's... Funny you should ask. Well, this is okay.
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It's a bit of a tale.
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Okay, so we've seen the Great Cataract Complex at Dry Falls. Okay, let's go to the next one there. Ryan's laughing because I'm not- Okay, this is going to give you some good sense of scale here. You ever been to Niagara? Okay, so you've seen, this is Horseshoe Falls. Now, notice the horseshoe shape. Yes. Right? This alcove, it's called, the alcove. Well, this has to do with water flow.
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And it's basically, think of it this way. Look at my hands here. You've got a flow of water, right? The most friction is along the channel walls. That slows the water down. Right here in the middle, the water's moving faster. So what happens is you get what's called the velocity curve.
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So the velocity curve, if you're looking down at the velocity curve and you've got arrows representing the speed of the water, they're longer in the middle flow and they get shorter as you move towards the perimeter. Well, then the erosion is the inverse of the velocity profile. That's what you're seeing. So it erodes faster in the middle of the current.
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And that's why you get this natural horseshoe shape. Go back one, Ryan, again. And you see, that's what you've got. You've got multiple alcoves there. And this is one of the things. Now, when you're studying maps like this, you can look for these kinds of features here. And they are made by Waterflow. That's these recessional cataracts. Okay, let's go forward, Brian.
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Well, just before I left, um, Decatur day before I got a, um, an update that I haven't really reviewed yet. It's a whole list of where they're going. It's a whole team has come together around it. There's a, um, The Alpha Prospects Limited is a British firm that's handling the licensing.
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And then the stuff as it gets plucked and falls down. And if you look at this one, You can look just to the right of the airplane wing and you'll see boulders down there. Those boulders are the size of the one we just saw the two guys standing next to. Wow. And that's debris that got plucked in the erosion of this horseshoe here and then dumped, dropped.
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And the whole floor actually is, if you dug into that, it's probably 100 feet or more thick of debris and boulders and rocks and gravel. Wow. That got dumped water came from the north. You can see the scoured landscape on the, above the cliffs are about 400 feet high. Now let's go to the next one. And you're going to see. Horseshoe falls at scale back up one, one there.
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Look up in the upper left corner. That's horseshoe cataract at Niagara at the same scale. So you can see how this extinct waterfall, how gigantic it is. And we're only looking at one alcove here, right? Go to the next one now, Ryan. Okay, and then we're going to juxtapose Horseshoe Falls of Niagara in this one. There we go. Yeah. And that's to scale? That's to scale.
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Niagara's about, what is it, 150? Then this is, these cliffs are 400 feet.
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All right. Let's see what's next. Okay. So here's like the wreckage of the late Pleistocene world lie in massive heaps strewn throughout the pathways of the great cosmic floods. So this is the outwash from Grand Coulee that I was talking about. And you got mile after mile of this stuff. So prior to the flood, this was all part of the bedrock.
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Now what's interesting is you look right down there towards the left-hand corner, you see all this dark basalt rock, and then you've got that lighter colored. That's granite from Canada. Really? Yeah. Huh. So that to me is a very important clue as to where this origin, origination of this water actually came from. All right, let's move on. So this is the outflow of Lake Missoula.
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This is the Clark Fork River Valley, Lake Pend Oreille up there. This is the northern panhandle of Idaho. So the lower Clark Fork River Valley and eastern part of Lake Pend Oreille. The ice dam, which is what the current explanation for the flood is, was that it was a lake formed behind an ice dam. And I reject that idea for multiple reasons. Right, right.
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The ice dam is presumed to have been a sublobe of the glacier filling the area of Lake Pend Oreille and extending up the Clark Fork approximately to the dashed lines. And I don't know if you can see, but there's two, you see a red dashed line? Yeah. Okay, so that's, see there's a, look, right there, okay, back up.
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So right there, you can see you've got a constricted valley and then it opens into a basin, right? There we go. Good. Thank you, Ryan. So this is the Bonneville flood, which originated in Utah.
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They've just licensed a company called LandLogic, whose goal is to retrofit all of the internal combustion engines in the UK with this technology. You can look up, I would recommend looking up Alpha Prospects Limited. And they give a whole, there we go, there it is right there. Yeah. Yeah.
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Okay. Yep. Um, So the Bonneville flood is a giant flood that originated from the outburst of Lake Bonneville. Lake Bonneville, have you ever heard of Bonneville salt flats? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that's the flat mineral content that was the bottom of Lake Bonneville that was 1,000 feet deep. temporarily rose up to 1,000 feet.
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If you're ever in Salt Lake, if you look at the Wasatch Mountains to the east of Salt Lake City, you can see the shorelines of Lake Bonneville 1,000 feet above the valley floor. It breached a soft sedimentary rock dam in the north perimeter of the lake. And this flood burst out and carved out the modern-day Snake River over deep in Tell's Canyon, which is the deepest canyon in North America.
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And then the floodwaters of Bonneville met the floodwaters of Missoula just south of Lewiston, Idaho. And this is a very important outcrop that I've made three or four trips to because it's extremely, it shows that the two of the greatest floods in North America were apparently happening simultaneous. Now this was not glacier melt flood. This had to have been rainfall. This flood. Because you're,
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And I'm standing on a boulder bar here that's three miles long. And you have to picture, this is the debris that was being carried in that flood, these boulders. Okay, so that's Graham Hancock there. And I'm standing in the bottom of a giant pothole. Uh, this is on the border of, this is along the St. Croix wild and scenic river forms the border of Minnesota and Wisconsin and go to the next one.
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There's a giant pothole, uh, near buttermilk, buttermilk falls, which is, I believe if I remember right, is at the south end of Lake Seneca, one of the finger lakes. Now, how do you form these potholes? This thing here is 10 feet in diameter and it's about four, six to six feet deep. Go to the next one. This is how you form. You have this, it's called caulking. And in highly swiftly moving water,
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You literally get this vortex for high energy. It's like an underwater tornado. Next slide, Ryan. Okay, let's see. Giant flood rolled boulders hitting the trees along Big Creek, southern Appalachians. These are boulders that are six, seven feet in diameter, and the modern creek does not move them. Go to the next slide.
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So this is, I hike a lot throughout these Creek valleys in the Southern Appalachians. And as it says here, this is massive displaced boulders. So this is essentially the byproduct of gigantic floods flowing across the Appalachian mountains. Next slide. Yeah. Look at these. You find these, this is giant boulders along the French broad river in North Carolina. Next slide.
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Nakalula falls note, extreme undercutting. Now what you're seeing here, this formation is not the product of that waterfall. This is a waterfall that was probably a thousand times greater than what you're looking at. And in order to get that undercutting, this is what's happening. It's like a great rotary drill. And that's what happens in extremely turbulent, swiftly moving, moving water.
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Well, it's, I mean, you can see some pieces of it left there. But yes, it's basically all downstream. Well, That transect through the Clark Fork where that red dash line is, that was this. Now, this shows the water level up to 4,200 feet above sea level. And the floor of the valley at that point is 2,100 feet above sea level. So that means the water depth right there was 2,100 feet.
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So I've taken a, at scale, the cross section of downtown Atlanta and put this in here. So you can, if you go to the next slide, Ryan, there you can see. That is the skyline of Atlanta to scale. The tallest building in Atlanta is the Bank of America building, which is kind of in the middle. And it's just right around 11, just a little less than 1,100 feet in height.
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So it would take two of those stacked on top of each other to equal the depth of that flood. That's crazy. Now the next one, you don't see the full width of it, but that would show the depth over Atlanta.
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Now, I think one of the takeaways here, again, is that once you begin to realize the scale of these hydraulic events that are associated with the end of the last ice age, I mean, what would you see of Atlanta in the aftermath of a flow like this? Nothing, nothing, nothing at all. It'd be completely pulverized. The wreckage of those buildings would be indistinguishable from a natural outcrop.
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You'd be down to the bedrock underneath.
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Yeah. Let's keep going here. All right, so this is Milk River Current Ripple Field, southern Saskatchewan, product of the Livingstone Lake event. White bar is one mile long. So this is water flowing that became the headwaters of the Missouri River. So, I mean, we're just, you know, the stuff we've seen here today is really only a sample of the totality of evidence.
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What I'm doing now is I'm collecting evidence from Europe and Asia where you see the same kinds of stuff. And again, confirming this idea of planetary scale movement of water and We need to know about this. We need to know that this is part of recent history and this, you know, certainly as interesting as like the dinosaur extinction event was 66 million. Yeah.
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And they go in, if you go up to the, yeah, they've got a bunch of stuff. I haven't looked at the site in a month or two, so they might have updates. But let's see. Investments, I think they go, yeah, Ryan, pull up investments. That's the nonprofit there, I believe, Strike Energy Incorporated. Yeah, Plasmoid Power Company has been granted. Yeah, that's it. Roll back down there.
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It doesn't really have the relevance to our own story on the planet as these events do. Right. Because our ancestors were here during all of this. Um, was that the end or was there more?
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Let's go, okay, so then here we go. This is the east fork of the Jemez River, northern New Mexico, and I've hiked miles up this creek, and my friend Brad is standing on that eight-foot boulder. The modern creek, these boulders that you see, are not the product of the modern Jemez River. They're relics of an ancient event.
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And to the best I've been able to date this, it's occurring right around that same epoch, around the Younger Dryas. Let's go to the next one. Look at those, now imagine as you're looking at that, the power of the water necessary to transport those boulders. Those boulders didn't just appear there, you know, out of some, you know, people look at this and the boulders are there.
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Their mind doesn't go, okay, how did these boulders get here? You know, were they just naturally always here? No, they weren't. They were transported and dumped there. That's my friend Brad, and there's Jesse when he was younger in the red shirt there. He's been out with me on a lot of these trips. Nice.
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Yeah. Yeah, he is. All right, so now this might be where we should wrap it up for now. You see Lake Superior up on the right? Okay, what I want you to do is look at, you can actually see the flow pattern coming down, and you can see where this great flow split. right there in the middle of the picture. Now look at Lake Superior. These are flows like the
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more greater magnitude than if you had the entire great lakes and look at those prominences, those would have been islands.
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Yeah. Just ridiculous. Yes. It's just ridiculous. And I can remember the first time I saw this digital elevation map, it was a black and white one. And I'm going, wait a minute. No, no, this can't be. And I start researching and the more I looked, you know, the more I could see. And it was like evidence like this, that I was able to trace some of these flows back to their points of origin.
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And this water originally emanated up by Great Slave Lake up there in Canada and several of the other of these great lakes. Let's go to the next one. And here you have massive current ripples near the Alte Mountains from floods to rival the Missoula floods in magnitude. So this is near where, near the, how do you say, Denisovans? Denisovans, yeah. This was where they lived in this area. Okay.
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And this is near the junction of Siberia, Mongolia, and China. Wow. And there's a whole gigantic landscape that was created by the same scale of floods as Missoula. Now the question in my mind is, and I know there's been some new papers in dating of this, what I want to know is, what is the sequence, what is the timing between this event and some of the North American events?
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It's been granted the license for the technology for the Thailand market. The company has identified nine power plants that are oil, gas, or coal-fired in Thailand, which would be ideally suited to benefit from the chimney technology. So this is moving. Yeah. This is moving a lot. It's moving.
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Now, if they were happening simultaneously, then we have to, I think, be looking for a unified cause rather than just coincidental. Because things like this aren't happening today. There's nothing going on in the world today that would lead to this as the aftermath.
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Right. All right. Let's go one more. I think we're getting almost to the end. Oh, yeah.
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I would think that we're looking at a global event. Yeah. Global event. That's what Baker and his colleagues said, a planetary scale movement of water.
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I appreciate the opportunity to share this stuff. Yeah.
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No, no, it doesn't. I mean, it falls far short of explaining the totality of the evidence. For sure. And what it's done is it's broken it up into these separate independent events that then only need regional causes. But if we show that these events are happening simultaneously over large swaths of the Earth's surface, then we have to look at a larger agency that's behind it. No doubt.
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You know, Graham Hancock, his work is, you know, cutting edge. But what he's come at is a little different emphasis than mine. And when we met, we realized that our work was sort of complementary. He was looking at the evidence for ancient civilizations and then getting challenged on, well, if there was this ancient civilization, where is it? Where's the evidence? Where's the pottery?
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Where's this and, you know, that? Where's the trash?
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So then I come in, I say, well... And then, of course, he's invoking a catastrophe. But his emphasis was a little different. I was emphasizing learning about the catastrophes and only secondarily the implications for had there been a civilization. So it seemed like, you know, when we met and we compared notes, we had some important complementarity going on.
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And so when he was writing Magicians of the Gods, we spent a couple of weeks together and we traveled from Portland to Minneapolis. And we basically followed the margin of the ice sheet. And I was showing them all the way along there, all this evidence, you know, across Montana, the Dakotas into Minnesota, into Wisconsin for this tremendous meltwater discharges.
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And that picture of the great pothole that he, you saw him standing up. That was the last place we visited together. I said, I got to take you to a place I used to go to as a kid. And, uh, We went up there one afternoon and saw these cluster of these big potholes right there, almost like in this hydraulic constriction where the water would have had to accelerate through.
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And then that's where the turbulence comes in and it drilled the series of potholes into the basalt bedrock outcrop, like a venturi flume almost. And as it's forcing its way through, it's speeding up, getting more and more turbulent. And yeah, the aftermath, we used to go there as kids.
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Yeah. So that's why I said Joe is going to probably have to do this.
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I remember going there with my dad, my grandparents, and looking at these big holes in the ground, big holes in the rock. My grandmother saying, well, it was something to do with the Ice Age, but wasn't very okay. But later, when I got to as an adult, I would think back to that and I'd go, okay. I learned about colking.
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And I've documented dozens of rivers around North America where you can see huge potholes. And the modern flows are not creating those potholes. They're the relic of ancient, catastrophic flows, cataclysmic flows. So then it raises the whole question of triggers. And I think there's where we need to expand our thinking into the greater domain of the cosmos because...
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I can't conceive of anything that would be like terrestrially based that could lead to that.
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Probably so.
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But we know that there's now – I've just recently read a paper – With the deglaciation and the isostatic rebound, there were earthquakes in excess of 11 on the Richter scale. Wow. Now, if you know how the Richter scale works, it's exponential. So that, you know, eight on the Richter scale is 10 times more powerful than seven. Nine is 10 times more powerful than an eight.
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Well, imagine like the biggest earthquake in North America was the great earthquake in Alaska of 1964. And that was about right at just about nine on the Richter scale. So there were earthquakes at the end of the last ice age that were a hundred times greater than that.
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Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, you got to throw, and then there's also evidence of massive volcanism because this movement of these trillions of tons of mass over the surface of the earth triggered gigantic volcanic eruptions. So Putting all of this together and trying to figure out it's going to be a major piece of work to do that, because now you're going to have feedbacks within feedbacks.
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You know, you're going to have perhaps multiple impact events. Then you're going to have the rapid deglaciation, which can, can lead to the melting, the rise of sea levels, the change in, in climate, um, massive volcanic eruptions, massive seismic events. So yeah, it would have been a hell of a time to be alive. Yeah. And you almost wonder, how did we survive?
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Well, I'm not surprised you're asking that question.
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And the answer to that question is where this story gets really interesting. Kind of dovetails back with a little bit what we talked about in our first meeting together. So you could stew over that for a few months.
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Oh, me too.
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Yeah, I'm happy with my family as it is now.
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Awesome. Such as it is, I've... Sometimes wonder about the old days. Cause you know, I was a young single man in the early seventies. Yep. So you never know what. Truth. Went down. Yeah. Probably nothing, but. Probably nothing. I worry sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Like Malcolm says, this is like the kindergarten application of this technology. And what his real goal is, he's working on a direct matter to energy drive. And the answer to your question is probably so. Okay. Probably so. Yeah. Once you begin to understand the whole, and I'm very, you know, a year or two ago, I was like at the kindergarten level.
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Listen to Ryan.
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Well, there's a lot more to talk about.
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And at some point, I'll bring up, because I'll tell you what I fantasize about. It needs to be a documentary series out there. you said, how do we get this out?
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And, you know, I've watched Ancient Apocalypse, and great, I don't know how much of you have seen of it. Ancient Apocalypse? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I've seen them both. That was pretty much the featured, this stuff was featured in the last episode eight. Yep. But... If this is the story, this is what we cover.
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There's so much more to this story.
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So I've been making some very interesting media contacts, people who are really talented animators, and a lot of this, like those floods, I mean... to animate that and show the scale of this would be, yeah, that's how we get it out to the, to the world.
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And that's really what I'm fantasizing about over the next couple of years is how could we, how could we get this story out to a larger audience?
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Because we, the human species on earth, we need to know this.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to continue, you know, with my podcast, doing other podcasts, you know, I'm doing a lot of writing now. Um, And just, you know, this network, there is a growing, and yeah, Cosmic Summit could be a great venue for people coming together around this information and these stories. And I think it's great you're going to be presenting this summer. Yeah, for sure.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I'm going to be there. You're going to be there. Some others, a lot of the other people that are going to be there are, doing really good, valuable, important work.
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Yes, he is doing a great job.
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You're talking about what? $1,500, $1,800 per cup? Per cup, yeah. Okay, good.
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Hang on to it for a few years and we'll be worth $20,000, right?
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I'm probably not at second grade yet in understanding plasma physics. But the more I understand about it, the more it certainly does seem like, yeah, if there's an obvious next level technology, That seems to be the prime candidate for it. And the things that I've seen already, I mean, there's some interesting interviews, one by a man, a scientist by the name of George Lush.
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It was one of the big oil companies that was trying to – he had drilling rights. He had license for drilling rights in Tasmania, and they were trying to get a hold of that. But – I tell people, look, there's Malcolm, the mad scientist, and then there's his research. And you've got to separate those. I mean, if you look at a lot of the things that have come out, look at Edison.
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who, uh, his, his company is like their third or fourth generation, just like your company. Uh, they were founded, well, they were founded in 1951, I believe.
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Yeah. uh yeah young kid well yeah yeah i like hearing that because that's the year i was born okay 1951 oh yeah okay i'm young still right um so where were we um I'm still, you know, I told you, I gave you a caveat at the beginning. Totally. I'm short on sleep.
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I am holding. Okay.
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Well, now we're going to stray into some exotic territory here. Cool. One of the things in my holistic big picture of our species on Earth is that we've been around doing stuff on this planet long before recorded history. Long before recorded history.
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And, you know, I think the latest now, it keeps getting, I used to in lectures and stuff, see, you know, modern humans are now dated back to 140, 150,000 years. Well, and then I, well, then it was 180,000. They're finding skeletal remnants, whatever that looked like, hey, this looks like a modern human. The last I heard was maybe in Israel or Middle East somewhere.
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I got to review this so I get up to date on it, but it might be as old as 200,000 years. But even conservatively, if we go 200,000 years, we're looking at maybe 7,000 generations of humans, modern humans. And in fact, a friend of mine sent me, that I interviewed, Martin Grant, oh, three, four months ago. He was telling me, you know, there's evidence that a lot of the
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humans in prehistory actually had larger brains than we do. And I said, really? I hadn't really was not aware of that. So he sent me some articles. Yeah. 15% larger in some cases. And I'm going, okay, that does not seem to imply that they were dumber than us. Maybe they were smarter.
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Maybe they weren't, but I mean, it certainly doesn't imply that they weren't as smart as us, but you figure if you look at the, since the scientific revolution, how far have we come since the days of Newton and Kepler and, you know. And how many generations is that?
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Well, we can figure, say, three, four generations per cent. So 10, 12 generations, 15 maybe. I saw the old classic. Brian brought it up there.
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Were they even the same species?
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I mean, I know that's, when you interviewed Graham, did you talk about that? A little bit, a little bit. but he's done a whole lot more research on that than I have.
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Interesting. So, I mean, it's, you know, there's, you know, there's, you know, I've been very interested in, in mound culture and monumental earthwork culture in, in America. Um, And so Emory University has a... has a whole collection of state reports and things from the 1800, even going back to the 1700s.
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If you want to do a hit piece on Edison, that would be quite easy to do. But the work has been verified. There's been at least a half a dozen independent tests of it.
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But, but during the 19th century, there was a lot of excavations of these mounds going on before, you know, the, the, the earthworks in North America. Now there's probably not 10% of the original when the Europeans arrived, urbanization, agriculture, railroad building, highway building, all of that is pretty much erased all, but about 10%. Well, so I went through a lot of these.
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This is like 25 years ago now, maybe even longer. I went through a lot of these archives. And over and over again, I would read, you know, Dr. So-and-so and Reverend So-and-so were conducting, you know, an excavation of, you know, these mounds. And typically you'd read oftentimes that they would, for example, they would excavate and they would find a skeleton fairly shallow.
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And then they would dig on down and they would discover older skeletons. And you could tell because the degree of decay. But then they would report things like, you know, they found skeletons of eight foot tall individuals. Right over in Etowah Mounds in Georgia that I've been to many times, taking field trips of people up there.
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And they have a museum and you go in there and it's all about the excavation and all of that. Doesn't say anything at all about finding a large skeleton. Yet I procured the original report from like the early 1900s. Sure enough, they dug up and there was a skeleton in there about seven foot, six inches tall, something like that.
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And I'm like, okay, why do they not have any reference to that at all? Here it is right in the original report, but they have no mention of it. And I kept finding it over and over. One was a report that they dug up a skeleton and one of the people involved there was able to actually take the skull and put it over like a helmet. Now that would imply somebody like 11 feet tall.
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So I'm like, okay, wait a minute. They didn't have some internet back in those days, people trying to get hits. You know, are all of these like hoaxes? That's how they've been interpreted. Oh, these are just hoaxes, right? But there was just too many of them.
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And now since then, there have been others who've done a lot more research than I did, who've documented over and over again the number of times when large skeletons of. Emanuel Swedenborg was on a dig in northern Sweden, and he reported on this that they found, you know, skeletons of individuals that were 12 feet tall. Did he make that up?
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Well, you know, from my knowledge, Emanuel Swedenborg was not the kind of person who would make up something like that. You know, he was a highly respected person. scholar and all of this. So why would he do that? Mention it. So it seems to me that there is evidence for another race. And we'll consider when you go back into the Pleistocene and you start looking at the megafauna,
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Over and over again, you see large, large animals. Everything was larger. You know, look at the imperial mammoth. It was 16 feet tall at the shoulder. Your modern elephants are eight, nine feet. You know, this thing was 16, I saw a skeleton of one they had in the Fernbank Museum about 10, 15 years ago. And they had to take the tiles out of the ceiling to set the skeleton up. It was so darn big.
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And it's like, you're standing there and you go, my God, this thing was roaming around North America, you know, 15,000 years ago. You know, the giant cave bear, the giant short-faced bear, six feet tall at the shoulder, standing up on their hind legs, 10 and 12 feet tall. I mean, on and on and on, you know. So you go, okay, so is it so out of the question that hominids, humans may have been?
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Well, the latest is he's over in India because India wants to use this technology on their smokestacks. They're building all these coal-fired plants there.
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Very large. It doesn't seem so bizarre to assume that. No, it's not.
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to look back on and to know that much about all the different species and how where they you know where they lived how big they were what they what they did yeah i feel like people yeah megatherium up there that was the side megatherium was the size of a modern day elephant yeah a mastodon was as big or bigger that is mammoth so that was not actually even the biggest of the mammals
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Camelops, that was a camel that was again, sometimes could be eight feet tall at the shoulder. The bison Antiquas, they could, they've been found remnants with the, the, the, the horn span was up to 10 and 12 feet.
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And I don't know if we'll have time to get into that today. I mean, it depends. I do have, I think, well, on the drive that Ryan has, I think I've got a whole presentation about the technology.
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We don't know. And I think there's so many anomalous things that they don't fit the standard narrative of history. And at some point we got to say, okay, we have to reconsider our models. And this is what I'm pushing for.
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I mean, and I'm not, I don't say I'm a hundred percent right about everything, but I do think that there is a much deeper, more complex history on this, especially the human species on this planet. And you know what I hear the, your archeologists over and over, well, where's the evidence? Where's the, you know, what are you looking for? You know, where's the pottery? Right.
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Well, we'll look at some slides here in a minute. Here's what most archaeologists don't get. They do not understand the degree of severity to which this planet has been subjected to these periodic remodeling events, I'll call them. Once you begin to understand that, you begin to see why evidence is absent.
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Just before we sat down for the interview, we looked at that Google map, and I introduced you to a concept called the Underfit River. Now, if you look at modern civilization, you look at the early Indus Valley, you look at the Sumerian, you look at the Egyptian, you look at these great early civilizations, they all grew up around rivers, right? All of them, pretty much.
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Secondarily, they grew up on coastlines. Once sea level more or less stabilized around 6,000 to 7,000 years ago, that's when you see cities, urban areas forming on the coastal regions. And, of course, when sea level is rising, as the great ice sheets are melting, sea level rises. rose from its low stand minus 400 plus feet, comes up 400 feet. Well, you know what's happening. Sea level's rising.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
and kind of how it works and you know there's a lot of other people involved with it now so there's kind of actually like malcolm why don't you just kind of like stand aside um and we'll we'll be the public face of this this technology and that's very sound approach i think Because he's extremely smart, but he's actually had a major assassination attempt on his life. Really? Oh, yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, coastlines are then migrating inward, landward. It's called a transgressive sea when it's rising. And of course, when it's rising rapidly like this because of the melting is extreme, you can only temporarily inhabit a coastline. Because within a few generations, that coastline is underwater.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And also, during this transition phase from full glacial to interglacial, the environment and the weather and everything is going to be extremely chaotic. We're going to look at a graph here in a minute that really drives that point home. Sea levels already, you know, you look at that intertidal zone, it's a high energy zone. And it can be very erosive even in modern times.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And I've got some amazing examples of when you have like storm surges and things, the amount of geomorphic work that can be affected on a coastline. During the rapid rising of sea level, it's going to be an order of magnitude more energetic. So anything that anybody builds along a river or along the coastline during, say, the later stages of the Ice Age, It's going to be gone.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
There's not going to be anything left of it. You know, and when you see, like I showed you, we looked on the map and maybe if, um, Ryan wants to pull that map up that we were looking at of, of, uh, there we go. This is a beautiful example of an underfit river. Let's see, go to the west, Ryan, where we're going to follow it down. Yeah. Right in there. Okay. Let's pause right there and zoom in.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And you can see that what you've got is that the modern Minnesota River occupies a much larger channel. Now, the old view would be that, oh, okay, well, this formed over many, many, many eons, millions of years even. I had a...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
guy once 25, 30 years ago, tell me, Oh, well, cause I was citing this, this right here, because when I was, when I was, uh, 18 years old, 1969, the year I got out, summer, I got out of high school. There was a flying cloud airport, which is up to the, to the, uh, to the East there. And They used to have rock concerts.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I've told this story before, but it's an interesting story and people always ask me, how did you get into this kind of stuff? And there was several episodes, but one of the key outstanding episodes was, you know, I'm 18 years old and I was at this rock concert that was up on the bluffs on the north side of the channel, the big channel.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And during a break in the music, I walked over to the edge of the bluff, which is 200 to 200, excuse me, 250 feet high. And I looked down, and below me, I could see the Minnesota River, and it had entrenched itself into the bottom of the channel.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And then looking across, you know, I saw this other set of bluffs on the other side, and I got this impression that the entrenchment of the modern Minnesota River and its banks on both sides, that this was, I was like looking at a much smaller version of this larger channel that you see right here. Well, that stuck in my craw and marinated for maybe six, seven, eight years.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And then I started reading books about, oh, you know, I think I read Emanuel Velikovsky. You know, his Earth and Upheaval was the one that made the biggest impression on me. that he had documented all of this evidence for great geological catastrophes and so on. I read several more by the late 70s. I had read, I don't know if you ever heard of Charles Hapgood, Path of the Pole.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I got a hold of his book in about 1978, and he had a big bibliography in the back, and I made it my goal to try to track down every reference that he had. By this time, I was... obsessively fascinated. And like, okay, so how come, you know, modern geology textbooks never talk about any of this, but it seemed like earth and upheaval and Charles Hapgood's work.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, it looks, I haven't seen any refutation of this, but that was about the time I really started looking into an alternate history of earth.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So, I was giving a lecture on sacred geometry actually to a group and I was talking about self-similarity in sacred architecture that one of the overriding themes that you see over and over again in sacred structures is this idea of this relationship between the part and the whole.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
He was shot a couple of times. Really? Ended up in the hospital. Wow. I didn't hear about that. When was this? That sort of conveniently gets left out. And he'll tell the story a little bit, but...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
that if you have a geometry that governs the whole, you also use that same geometric scheme to divide up the space within so that the part reflects the proportions, the geometric proportions of the whole. And this was believed, and I think to be the case, is that this is what leads to harmony and resonance in a structure. And I cited how, you know, in the human body we find the same idea.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
If we look at, for example, elbow to fingertip, and we were talking earlier before the recording about the golden section, sometimes called the divine proportion, and I said if you take a line, you divide it asymmetrically, there's one point that divides that line so that the ratio of the small to the large segment is exactly the same as the large segment to the whole or the sum of the two. Right.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And I said that, and, and so in this lecture, I was pointing out that this life seems to have utilized this, this particular geometric relationship, because we find it over and over again, embedded in all kinds of things like phylo taxes and, you know, in the botanical realm, in the, the animal kingdom in particularly so in humans.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And I was citing this idea of scale and variance, we might call it that. So in other words, the scale, the ratio, the proportional relationships between the parts and the whole are invariant no matter what the scale is. And I said the same thing holds true in geology.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
You know, I wasn't sure if I could believe it or not, but when I first met him, he had a whole body of documentation, about seven years, eight years of his notes, schematics that he had drawn, plus a whole file of photographs and stuff. So for safekeeping, he gave me access to all of that. Sent me a drive with like several thousand pages of stuff.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And that's why if you take a geology book and you look at it, oftentimes you'll see a photograph and there will almost always be something in that photograph for, for a sense of scale, because in oftentimes it'll be the traditionally the geologists will put their rock hammer in the picture or their hat. Or if it's a larger image, there'll be a person standing there, right?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Otherwise you're going, okay, is this, are we looking at a six foot outcrop or a 600 foot outcrop? And I was citing scale and variance in geology. And I cited this example that we're looking at right here. And I commented about how I had this sort of intuitive response to standing on this bluff, looking into this channel. And there was a fellow in the group that had had a geology degree.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And he said, no, no, no, no. going to correct me. These things happen over millions of years. I said, I don't think so. I think I'm right and you're wrong. But it kind of annoyed me. So I really dove in. I did a lot of research. I even ended up enrolling and it was enough to motivate me. I said, okay, I'm going to really learn some good solid geology.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I enrolled in university and spent a couple of years studying geology. came out of it convinced that I was right and he was wrong. And now since then, you know, I've, there have been papers presented. And so the, the large channel now, and this is ignored and you can, you can, you can, this is the verification comes through multiple different ways.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Um, but anyways, this is now recognized as, and has been even given name glacial river Warren. And as it's peak discharge, um, its volume of flow was 4,000 times greater than that of the modern Minnesota river. Glacial river Warren.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yes.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Very fast.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Oh my God. Yes. Let's see. Um, Yeah, we can actually, and you can follow that. It loops up to the northwest. You can follow it right on up. It's just obvious. You can see that was a giant meltwater sluiceway, and then you get up there to the lakes. If you keep going, there will be Big Stone Lake. Big Stone Lake was the the out, the out, yeah, Ortonville there. That's right in there.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So this was just below the outburst of this great meltwater lake. And like I said, big stone lake is a hint of, because there's a bunch of really big stones laying there in the pathway that got rolled and tumbled in this. I mean, we're talking about a major catastrophic outburst flood here. And, uh,
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So, you know, growing up in that landscape was, people would say, well, how did you get interested in this? Well, I don't really know. There was no, there was, you know, there was a few points where, like this, I cite this example, but, you know, I grew up in this landscape that was right on the edge of what is called the superior lobe of the Laurentide Ice Sheet.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So where I lived, we had property on a lake, and it was basically a leftover meltwater puddle. And when you look at the landscape, you might see a fairly level field that a farmer has. And then right in the middle of it, you got this steep mound. And I would look like, why is that hill right there? Well, it turns out that that was probably called a cane, which is...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Where you might have a, uh, like a hole in an ice sheet and you get a lot of wash overwash or stuff into the hole in the ice sheet and it leaves a pile of stuff. On the, on the ground, like you can imagine you got an ice sheet, let's say the ice sheet is three, four or 500 feet thick, and you've got this hole that goes to the, to the ground.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And now you've got all of this melting and all of this water is pouring in and the supercharged with sediment. Then you also have Kettle Lakes where you might have like an outwash plain from like the glaciers are there. Seasonally, they will melt in the spring and you'll have this big outwash.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Like if you go to Indiana, you can actually see there's the hummocky moraine that represents the terminus of the ice lobe. And then south of there, it's just flat and you'll see, you'll be driving there and it's very flat. And then all of a sudden it gets hilly. Gets hilly because this is where the, the, the, the moraine is. And the moraine is the, the material that's created by the glaciers.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
We're just going through it, and then randomly there comes up the pictures, you know, him in the hospital, all with tubes up his nose and everything. Really? And that was when he was shot. Huh.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
When they're grinding their way across the land, it pulverizes into the creates this material generally called tail. Until can be structured sometimes, like you'll have terminal moraine at the end of the ice. You'll have, um, recessional moraine where if the moraine melts, if the ice sheet melts back, pauses, it'll build this. this pattern of moraine.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
You might have lateral moraine where you might have two mountain glaciers coming together like this. And as those glaciers are grinding their way through the mountain valleys, they're picking up all of this material on the bottom and on the sides. Then when they meet,
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
It'll form, you'll have this glacier and right down the middle of it, you'll have this big dark streak, which is, which is the lateral mooring, meaning it's on the side. So you've got different kinds, but it's all composed of the same material, this stuff we call till.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So, um, when you look at the tail, there's the other thing that we might get into this here a little bit when we start really looking at the slides is that there's also evidence that you had tremendous high pressure floods moving under the glaciers. So, and they don't have a free surface. So the pressure on the bottom of the water flow is much more conducive to, yeah, this is good.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Look, ground moraine, recessional moraine, and moraine, that's what I was calling terminal moraine. And then you have your, your retreating glacier and right up there, you see newer till, which is being produced right at the snout of the glacier. Um, older till, outwash, um, Now, that's not quite right because the outwash would be that whole green area or the whole tan area.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
That's what's referred to as the outwash plane. So you can see there, like you're driving along and it's flat. You're on the outwash plane. Then you get to this hummocky, a bunch of hills and stuff. Now you're at the mooring. And so that's where you can tell, okay, the ice sheet came here and it stopped. It didn't go any further south. It stopped. Um, let's see what we got here. Okay.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
That would have been probably late nineties or early 2000. I don't remember the year, but it was around that era.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
There's your kettle Lake. So a kettle Lake is when you have an ice piece of ice, a big chunk of ice it's embedded in the moraine. And then when it melts, it leaves a depression it's filled with water. So where I grew up, there were kettle lakes all over the place. Uh, in fact, our property was what I now recognize was probably a kettle Lake. Ah, look at there. Okay, we've got Drumlin.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
We've got Eskers. Terminal Moraine. Out, there, yeah, Outwash Plain. So you can see there, you've got the flat area. And then when you hit those hills, boom. And there, look, see where it says came? You see those, the hills? So that was one of the things I used to wonder about. Like, you'd see this farmer's field, and out in the middle, there'd be this big rounded hill.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So growing up in a landscape where the glaciers would advance and retreat and advance and retreat multiple times, it created this whole landscape. And I remember even being a little kid, like having this sense that there was, you know, I'd be looking at things and there was like, I don't know, it's almost like there was like this hidden story in the landscape.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, they were trying to, they were trying, they wanted to get the, the license to drill. It was, um, it wasn't Exxon. It wasn't Chevron. It was one of the big ones. I think it was Shell. It was Shell. That's what it was. And they had overstated their reserves by 30%. And they were in a pickle. And they thought, we'll go after this guy. He's got the licensing.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I mean, I remember even being seven years old one time and standing on this hill looking and just getting this overwhelming sense that there was something about the landscape. And then Later on in life, of course, I have learned all of this. So I can give you an explanation for everything you see on this picture here.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
An esker, like if you've got a fracture in the ice sheet and water is flowing through that fracture and it's laden with sediment, and then when the final flow disperses, it leaves this sinuous trail of till, serpentine almost like, and that'll be an esker. Drumlins are extremely interesting. Drumlins only show up where the glaciers have been.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Because you can see if water is discharging from the glacier, like you see in this image here, as soon as it moves outside the glacier itself, it now has a free surface. So it changes the whole... pressure regime of that water flow. When it's still under the ice sheet, you know, you've got this roof, you've got this lid.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So if you've got a lot of water melting, flowing under there, it's now, it's got much greater pressure on its bottom. So what it does is it takes that ground mass, the till, which is completely chaotic and disorganized, and it begins to shape it into these aerodynamic or fluvial dynamic would be a more correct term, uh, elongated shapes that are almost like the inverted hull of a boat or a canoe.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Um, and there can be thousands of them. Um, tell you what, Ryan, if you go, uh, go to Google maps, are we still in terrain view? Uh, perfect. Okay. So now go over to Lake Ontario, New York, Western New York. You're going to see something that's pretty amazing here. Okay, you see Rochester there. Okay, before you zoom in, stop right there for a second, okay?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So you got the southern shore of Lake Ontario, and then you see the Finger Lakes? Okay, the Finger Lakes are produced by catastrophic outburst flooding. And when they were formed, it's almost certain that the margin of the ice sheet Corresponded with the northern edges, the northern end of the Finger Lakes. One thing to notice if you look at the lakes, they actually are radial. You can see they...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
They converge onto an area. If you draw along the axis of those Finger Lakes, they converge on a point in a basin in Eastern Ontario. Now, yeah, now start zooming in just above. Okay, we're starting to see the Drumlin swarms. Zoom in a little more, Ryan. Go up. There we go. Zoom in on those. You see all those forms, those elongated hills? That is a drumlin swarm.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And this was formed by catastrophic subglacial, highly pressurized water flowing. And then when it discharged from the ice sheet, it carved the finger lakes.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So many anomalous things that they don't fit the standard narrative of history. And at some point we got to say, okay, we have to reconsider our models. We're looking at the peak discharge that created Grand Coulee. It might've been 350 million cubic feet per second. That's 10 times more. than the combined flow of every single river on Earth.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So what they did was they launched this campaign to scare away his investors. And it didn't work. So apparently they sent somebody to. Wow. Yeah. Wow. So I didn't know if I should believe that story or not. But then I had this conversation with Roland Perry. After I actually went on Rogan, you know, I went on Rogan and Malcolm said, I want to just open source everything.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And as soon as the water emerges from under the ice sheet, it now has this free surface and the whole pressure regime changes. And so the, the, uh, the drum lens are only going to be found where there were glaciers. And so, I mean, there's thousands of them. Yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And interestingly, just like if you start scanning to the west, Brian, sorry, you're going to see, look at the orientation of the drumlins changes. Wow. So the orientation of those drumlins converges on the same spot as the finger lakes. And I think there's a reason for that. And I have a theory as to how you explain that.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yes. But then you've got to explain, okay, why is the water discharging from a central, an epicenter? Why is it? Oh, I knew you were going to ask that question. Well, okay. So my speculation, after thinking what are all of the possible explanations, I think there's one that, Oh, sorry. One that sort of, uh, explains it better than any others. And that is, uh, a hypervelocity impact. Yeah. Okay.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah. I, in fact, my studies on the Carolina bays probably preceded Chris. Okay. Okay. I have aerial photographs of the bays that I took in the early 90s when I was trying to figure out what the hell they were.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I don't know. And I'm not convinced this is an impact. But I would lean in the direction that it's the most likely explanation. And I don't think that, yeah. See, my first awareness of the bays, yeah, look at that. They're amazing. Whatever the explanation is, it's amazing. They're incredible. And so I think I first learned about the bays around 1980. I was reading a book called...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I was interested in the whole, okay, so what's the deal on Atlantis, right? And I knew that there had been Ignatius Donnelly, who was from Minnesota, my home state, I'd learned about him, and I looked up, and by the late 70s, I had read during my early catastrophist phase, I'd read two books by him.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
One was Atlantis, the antediluvian world, I believe it was, written in like 1882, and then it followed up a year later with Ragnarok, the Age of Fire and Gravel. And I had read those books, and Ignatius Donnelly in Ragnarok, The Age of Fire and Gravel, proposed that Atlantis was destroyed during a much larger catastrophe that was triggered by a comet impact. Now, this is like 1883.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, he's generally derisively dismissed by mainstream archaeologists, but really, in a lot of ways, he was ahead of his time. to even be talking about comet impacts causing... Yeah. Now, this is interesting. This is one of the ideas.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And see, at the time I was researching them, I did not know about the oriented lakes of Alaska, which, you know, again, what we've got is this kind of converging trajectory here. And I believe that's based upon the work of... Oh, heck Chris knows him. I know him.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yes.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Because, you know, he's got a whole list of people that have preceded him. Stanley Meyer and Victor Schauberger and probably eight or 10 scientists and researchers that his work is derivative of. And, um, in so many cases, their work was, you know, never saw the light of day. So he decided he was going to use a different tactic, which was to open source everything.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah. So I met Zamora. We talked, I thought very interesting. He, he proposes Saginaw bay as being a impact point. And then the Carolina base is the secondary fallout of the, that it smashed into the ice sheet. Right.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, see, I don't know. I, my thought, my interpretation is that the Michigan basin could be impact produced, but a way older. Um, but I'm not, you know, there's, I have, I probably behind on my research on that. I have an idea that I've proposed that I think that perhaps the impact that might date back to younger dry ice or the end of the ice ages, Lake Nipigon.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
which is up along the northern shore of Lake Superior. Yeah, there we go. Now, zoom in on the southern shore of Lake Nipigon, and you're gonna see all kinds of evidence of catastrophic outburst flows. You're gonna see channels. You're gonna see recessional cataracts. All of this, these are landscapes that are created by catastrophic discharges of water.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Go over to the west and you'll see the Black Sturgeon River. There, there's a large, yeah, that comes down. Follow that down. Yeah, look at that channel right there. Now that probably was carrying capacity. And look, notice the underfit condition again. You're going to see that all over, over and over again. Okay.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So that was probably carrying a discharge of close to a hundred million cubic feet per second at its peak based on the size of it. Um, so yeah, there was an enormous catastrophic discharge emanating from that basin.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
When did this happen? I'm guessing that it's probably happening during consistent with the other, the great meltdown. Now there were at least two, I think maybe three, what are called meltwater pulses. Meltwater pulse 1A usually dated around 14,500 years ago. meltwater pulse 1B, which is dated to 11,600 years ago.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And I think there's a third evidence now emerging of a third meltwater pulse that precisely with the Younger Dryas, lower Younger Dryas boundary. There we go. Look at this. Meltwater pulse 1A, right? And then you've got Younger Dryas right there. Well, that's showing meltwater pulse 1A a little bit older than the Younger Dryas. But see, they've added a new one there, meltwater pulse 1B.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
dash one a zero maybe but then you see melt water pulse one b up there um which is now dated at 11 600 which i find very coincidental um because 11 600 is the date 11,600 years ago, that's the date that you get if you read Timaeus and Critias by Plato, when Solon's journey to Egypt took place in 6,600 BC. And according to the story that the elder Egyptian priesthood related to Solon,
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
The destruction of Atlantis occurred 9,000 years before. So you do your math, you come up with 11,600 years. Was the destruction of Atlantis kind of coincidental that you had this massive meltwater pulse exactly dated to that. Now that would be, again, mainstream would just dismiss that as coincidence. And I'm not convinced that it's coincidence. Yep, I agree. Then that requires, you know.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And, uh, so he created a nonprofit called the strike foundation, limited strike foundation, something anyways, So he wanted to disperse this to as many people as he could. So I was on one of the receiving ends of that, and that's how I got all of this stuff. But I actually came down coincidentally in, when was this, two years ago? I was on Fox, interviewed by Tucker Carlson on Fox News.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
reformulating our thinking. Because wait a second, wait a minute, you're going to say that some tradition could have been handed down for 9,000 years? Well, I don't know.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
The Grumlins?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Sure.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, I'm surprised that, yeah, outside of geologists and geomorphologists, and even geologists don't. And see, here's the thing. There have been dozens and dozens of theories, even going back to the 1800s, as to the origin of drumlins, right? Virtually all of them are based upon somehow the glaciers themselves shaped the subglacial till.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
In the 1980s, a geologist by the name of John Shaw, he was a Canadian geologist, proposed that they were actually created by catastrophic subglacial floods. And the problem was, and mainstream never accepted his theory, even though it made the most sense, right? And I've been up in the field, been up there to New York.
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I've been to the Drumlin field and through Wisconsin, been to one, several that are up in British Columbia, like in the Fraser Plateau and the Chaco Plateau. I've been up there with Jerome Lessman, who was a graduate student under John Shaw, We think we've made two trips with him. And once you begin to see it, you realize, okay, you've got the perfect explanation for the drumlins.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
The problem is, is the scale. See, like this right here, the scale of water flow is immense. And the critics, see, his theory has never been accepted. The critics have said, well, the drumlin swarms that you're looking at would require floods on such a scale that we can't explain the origin of those floods. That's basically what has come down.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So it's very parallel to when J. Harlan Bretts was proposing in the 1920s that some of these channeled scablands features in Washington had been produced by these gigantic floods. The gist of the opposition said, well, if you can't provide a source for this flood water, then it wasn't catastrophic floods. It was something much more protracted, incremental, over a long period of time.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And your discharges that you're talking about, like several hundred million cubic feet per second, that's impossible. And if you can't explain how you could get peak discharges of that scale, get out of here. Same with John Shaw's work coming into the 80s and 90s, right? And just like Brett's, he could speculate, but he couldn't provide any evidence.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Like, how do you get such massive, like we're talking thousands of cubic miles of water discharging under the... How do you do that? Well, he couldn't come up with an explanation. He said, well, was there a reservoir on top? which would be supraglacial. Was it a reservoir of water at the bottom, subglacial? Was it a reservoir within the glacier mass called endglacial?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But in each case, the critics looked at it and said, well, we can see that, for example, glaciers today, you have spring, you have melting, you have surface melt ponds forming on top of the glaciers. Usually by well before midsummer, They disappear. Why do they disappear?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Because as the water accumulates on the glacier, and it's a temperate glacier because it's melting, temperate glaciers have a lot of fractures and cracks, what are called moulins, which are large apertures, sometimes can reach to the bottom of the glacier.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So what happens, this meltwater gets to a point where it reaches a certain volume, which is minuscule compared to what we're talking about here. It disappears. And then a week later, two weeks later, it's discharging from the snout. And they know that because they'll put dye tests, they call it dye testing. They put the dye, colored dye, in the water.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
It disappears, and then they go to the snout of the glacier, and anywhere from a few days to three weeks later, here comes the colored water discharging, right? So they said, okay, from our modern observation of glaciers, you're not going to have thousands of cubic miles of water forming on top. Likewise on the bottom. Likewise within. So they've rejected Shaw's theory.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
They put me at the same hotel I'm at. Now, so when I come in, I'm like, wait, am I having deja vu or have I been here before? And then I went up to the registration desk and I asked the guy, he says, do you have a record of, because I told you, I says, I know I've been here before, you know, but I couldn't remember, you know, when would I have been here?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
They said, no, we're going to go back to somehow it's the glaciers themselves because the volume of meltwater you're talking about is so extreme, there's no way we can explain it. Well, maybe there is a way you can explain it. And that would be, I think, Two candidates, one which I think is the better of the two, which is hypervelocity impacts. Hypervelocity.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And now we know about the number of hypervelocity impacts that we're now discovering in the history of this planet is extraordinary. And there's no reason why you couldn't have a multi-impact event over the ice sheet.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Because you've got to be able to explain. See, when we look during the Little Ice Age, which lasted from the 1300s to the mid-1800s, glaciers worldwide grew to their largest extent that they had been in over 10,000 years. When those glaciers began to melt, that was like
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
The early 1800s, the end of the Little Ice Age coincided almost precisely with the emergence of geological science and glaciological science. When Agassiz, Louis Agassiz, was kind of considered the godfather of glaciology, he was studying firsthand the effects of when the Little Ice Age glaciers were shrinking back.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So from that, they extrapolated to some of the similar effects of the great ice ages. But at that point, the thing was is that Well, a lot of the early geologists were catastrophists. That's something to circle back to. But the point is that when these ice sheets were melting back, you didn't have flows, discharges of 50 or 100 or 200 million cubic feet per second.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
We haven't experienced anything like that in modern times, within historical times. I mean, when we're talking about, and we're going to look in a minute here at Grand Coulee, we're looking at the peak discharge that created Grand Coulee. It might have been 350 million cubic feet per second. Well, that's more. That's 10 times more than the combined flow of every single river on Earth.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And then I went up to the registration desk and the young guy, no, I don't find your name in the records anywhere. And then the guy next there says, Randall, is that you? Hey, it's Rory. And I go, oh. I remember you. Yeah. We met when I was here a couple of years ago. So I was here and then I thought about it and he says, yeah, that was when you were Fox news put you up.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
We haven't seen anything like that in modern times. And I think part of the reason is, is modern times is a function of post-Ice Age meltdown. Okay, Ryan, let's go south. Come down. Okay, let's see. Go over to the west. Let's see. Go up there. Go up to Madison. Go up to Madison, and we're going to see that we zoom in. Let's see. Ah, there we go. Look over there to the right. Go east.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
You're going to see there's a whole drumlin swarm there. And again, you're going to notice how it's diverging out. And then if you follow that up, you're going to see right up there, it goes up to, what is it, Lake Winnebago. And then it goes right up and it's like a continuation of that lake right there. That is Lake Winnebago, yes. And then if you follow that up,
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
It's a continuation of a large meltwater channel that produced what is now Green Bay. The land between the town of Green Bay and the northern rim of Winnebago is choked with sediment. If you were to sweep the sediment out, you would see that Winnebago is a continuation of Green Bay. All of that's under the ice sheet.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Then, as soon as you get, you can almost see right where the edge of the ice sheet was because that's where the terminus of the glacier swarm is. So if you go down, Ryan, back to the drumlin swarm that we saw, go south, yeah, go south right there, you see the drumlins. And you see how they're splayed out? Where they're just there.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So the water has been channelized forming green bay and lake Winnebago. And then if you go south there, it'll terminate. And that was the edge of the ice sheet. Yeah. So now we're beyond the ice sheet. And if you go to, uh, let's see. So Wisconsin river was a major conduit of that melt water that, that formed the, uh, that formed the, the Drumlin swarm there. Yeah, Wisconsin Rapids.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So I've been explored through that whole area there. And again, it's all catastrophic water flows. If you go up, let's see, to zoom out a little bit, Ryan. And let's see where we're at here. I'm trying to get oriented. Trying to look for Devil's Lake and the Wisconsin Dells. Stevens Point. Oh, Stevens Point. I actually went to a... a rock concert there in 1970.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
The lead band was the Grateful Dead, but I didn't know any of this back then. Okay, so I had no idea that... Yeah, so Devil's Lake was one of the discharge points of Glacial Lake, Wisconsin, as it's called. And it cut this trough. You're going to see very much these troughs like this right in here.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah, you can follow the flow south and it cut to the east and then it discharged down and flowed out north. And there we go again. There's another underfit river, Wisconsin River, and it goes down and meets the Mississippi.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And, uh, but anyways, uh, that's where I met him. I met Malcolm at that hotel. Right. So I had gone on Joe Rogan and, um, I kind of misunderstood a little bit. I kind of gave away too much details because I was on there with Graham Hancock. And before we go in, Graham says, you know, let's stay away from the ancient energy and all of that because that's where it gets controversial.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
They're way behind on all this.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I mean, they're literally decades behind. Yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Some of them are. Yeah. Yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
You know, 20 years ago you had almost total, you know, like you had a group of geologists that were acknowledging that the channel scab lands was catastrophically produced and, But what I could show you, and again, this is more time than we'd have to get into here. I can show you, for example, you have a study on Lake Wisconsin and its catastrophic outburst.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Then you can go to the plains of North and South Dakota and you'll find separate studies there. You can go over to study on Connecticut River or the Hudson River. What hasn't happened, though, is integrating all of this into a coherent model. That hasn't happened. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to get, you know, we got to look at the big picture here.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
What was happening with the cutting of Grand Coulee, and if you look at Grand Coulee, you'll see that, and then you look at Lake Seneca, one of the Finger Lakes, they're almost the same.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So Grand Coulee, zoom out a little, Ryan. God, I've been up and down this Coulee more times than I can count. But this was one of the main discharge of the, over here, over the Canadian Rockies, the ice sheet was called the Cordieran. And the southern terminus of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet was right at the head of Upper Grand Coulee. If you zoom in, Ryan, on Upper Grand Coulee, okay, good.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, all right, so you see where the Grand Coulee Dam is, took its name from Grand Coulee. There it is. And that, interestingly, Grand Coulee Dam almost marks the exact point of the southern margin of that lobe of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet right there. But you can see, pull up just a little bit, and we'll see, no, I'm sorry, go the other way. Go the other way. Stop right there.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, if you look there, you're going to have this, what's called the Great Notch. So if you go, you see where Grand Coulee, the town, is there. And if you hover, you can see there's cliffs on the north and the south. So if you go on the top, right where your cursor is, the top there has the same elevation. If you go up to the other side of the notch... To the north, yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So those have the same elevation, and those walls are about 700 to 800 feet high. Wow, okay. So that was where this major discharge came off the ice sheet and began down-cutting through the basalt bedrock right there. And when that happened, the town that we just saw wasn't there. No. In case you were wondering. Right, right.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah, in case you were wondering, Ryan. Okay, so the discharge through this. Now, Ryan, follow this down. Follow that. Yeah, there we go. Now, pause right there. See, look at that outcrop in the middle there called Steamboat Rock. Wow. Okay. That is a remnant of the pre flood. Land surface.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And if you go over there to the west and you're on top of the cliff that, or the east, the elevation of the top of steamboat rock is the same as the elevation on either side of it. Let's see what we're, oh, this is taken from the top of steamboat rock right here.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah. So we're looking, I believe, to the north there, and those walls over there are very between five and 800 feet high. And before the flood, that land surf, that flat surface on the left was continuous with the cliff over on the right.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And I said, sure, whatever, you know, I'm your guest. So, you know, if you don't want to talk about that, we won't talk about that. You know, halfway through, the question comes up of, you know, well, how did Rogan, it's like, how did they move these big rocks, these, you know, 20 and 30 and 50-ton stones?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah. Uh, I think the major erosional event was the most recent though.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And you can see, and there are reasons we, we can.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Just blew all of this land. Yes, now the blue, they're using Upper Grand Coulee as a temporary reservoir. The water that's backed up in Franklin Roosevelt Lake is being pumped up into Upper Grand Coulee, and then it's distributed from there over the eastern Washington for irrigation purposes. But follow that down to the south, Ryan, and we'll see, we'll come to the Great Cataract Complex.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
There we go. Stop right there. Now zoom in on where it says Sun Lakes Park. That is the Great Cataract Complex right there. Now that is an extraordinary feature. And what we're looking at there is called a recessional cataract. And the water's coming from the north, and it's scouring and sculpting. It's all exposed bedrock terrain, basalt bedrock terrain.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And as that water, the water flowing here was about five miles wide and 400 feet deep. That was roughly the scale. It's from the far left over there where the highway wraps around the cliff. right there over all the way to the far right, uh, right in there. That's between five and six miles wide in there. And like I said, the cliffs are about 400 feet high.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
The water flowing down through the coulee was about 400 feet. And, uh, There we go. We're looking down. Yes, there is the, we're looking at the great cataract complex right there. So the water's coming towards us during the peak of the flood.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now picture this, as the water's coming over, the shearing force, picture this, the water's pouring over and the shearing force is so intense, it's literally quarrying or plucking the stone from the cliff face. Where the cliff is now is essentially where it was at, where it had receded to at the time the spigots from the north finally stopped.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And so what we're looking at is a fossil feature there. It's completely a fossil feature. And again, this is like 350 million cubic feet per second, which is just almost unimaginable. The water level was about the same height, the same depth as the cliffs are high. So at the peak of the flood, it wouldn't have even been a waterfall. It was just a bump in this enormous five mile wide river.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And, uh, Pretty, yeah. This is the kind of thing, when you see this firsthand, it really drives home the scale of these events we're talking about. And then if you follow this South Ryan, you can see that there's all these distributary channels. And then you get down to the mouth there at Soap Lake. South of Soap Lake, you have an outwash plane.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, then Graham kind of looks to me.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But when you zoom in on, you won't see it here, but put in... Ephrata, E-P-H-R-A-T-A, Ephrata Fan. Let's see, so you've got a couple of thousand square miles of this stuff that you see over on the right, which is When these floods ripped through, creating Grand Coulee, of course, all that material that was formerly part of the bedrock has been ripped out.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And so I kind of mentioned, yeah, well, there might be this technology that, Might've been, you know, but I'm at that point, I'm still vetting it. I'm, and, uh, if you ever watched that episode where I'm on there with Graham, you'll see that I'm like hemming and hawing.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And at the mouth of the Coulee, there you can see, you've got hundreds of square miles of that stuff, where it's just massive swarms of boulders. So this was the basalt. that was gouged out in the creation of the coolie.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah. I've, I've lost, I've taken so many tours out here to teach people how to read these landscapes. But one of the, in talking about the terms of the fundamental forces at work, when you've got water flow and let's say you've got a bedrock constriction and that water is flowing through there. And then let's say you, it opens up into a basin, right?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, what happens is that you've got this conservation of flow. As long as the water from the source is more or less unvarying, of course, it did vary. At one point, the water declined. Initially, if you look what's called the flood hydrograph, it's got this steep upward limb with an outburst flood, which would be similar to a dam break flood. And then it has a long tapering tail.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And that's kind of what you saw in this event here. There we go, yeah, see, there we go. The large steep limb that comes first, then you have a longer, slower taping, like second row, second from the left is exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, you have peak discharge, and then you have this long tail that forms the recession. This is the model of an outburst flood right here.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
All of these floods that we're looking at so far are outburst floods. They're coming, it's enormous, almost like a tsunami washing over the land. I mean, literally.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So when you have this peak discharge, so let's assume now the water's flowing and you're in a constricted bedrock confinement, and it's hard bedrock, so the water is less erosive than if it was softer sedimentary rock or unconsolidated sediment. Then it comes into a basin.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, if you were to take a transect through the basin and through the channel, the narrow channel, the same amount of water is flowing here as here. Okay. However, it's got to flow faster in the constricted channel. As it flows faster, it becomes more erosive. So when you're looking at a hydraulic event or events like we're looking at here, you have basically two forms.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
You have erosion, erosion, and you have sedimentation or deposition. So when I take people through these landscapes, we follow and we go, okay, we can see erosion here now. And, you know, we can actually see, for example, if we're in a bedrock constriction, you can look up and you'll see scouring on the cliff sides.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Then it opens into a basin and boom, now you've got all of this material that's been washed out and dumped. Because as the water slows down, it loses its competency to entrain and transport sediment. So that's what we have here. Now, zoom out once, Ryan, so we can get the big picture of the whole coulee. Stop right there.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Okay. So finally I kind of disclosed and I said, well, there's this Malcolm and you know, he's on this Island and he's been on there seven years and, uh, he's compiled his notes and there's, um, and I, I kind of gave away more than I guess I was supposed to. Um, so then, um, so then a couple of days later or shortly thereafter, you know, that, that was in Austin.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, do you notice if you go up to, let's see, where it says Elmira and Govan, I believe they're up on Highway 2. Come down, come down, right there. Okay, now, do you see that shaded area that is almost parallel to Highway 2? Just north, it's between upper, right there. That is called the Cooley monocline. There you go.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, notice that the Cooley comes in at an angle and then it intersects the monocline. Now, what's a monocline? Now we're talking tectonic forces. If you have compression, let's say, and you have bedrock, Now in the bedrock warps, you can have a down warp. You're compressing. Like if I had a piece of paper, I oftentimes will use that or, you know, that's an anticline. Okay. This is a syncline.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And then if you have a single upwarp, so it's like this, that's a monocline. So you've got compression, syncline. There we go. Let's see what we've got there. Compressional, yeah, compactional monocline formed over inactive base. And yeah, so you've got, those are all examples of monoclines, right? So you have a single upwarp.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So go back to the map, and that's we're looking at the Coulee monocline. Now, when that upwarp happens, the forces cause the bedrock to fracture. Makes sense, doesn't it? Okay, so now you've got this huge water flow coming in at an angle. Now it intersects the monocline right there. And at that point, initially, that water poured over the monocline. It was a 900-foot drop.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So you had a waterfall that was a mile wide, 900 feet high. Wow. Then it began to eat its way to the north and ate its way all the way up to the Great Notch that we already saw. Now, lower Grand Coulee, if you look below Grand Coulee City, you can follow the monocline came down, and then just below Afrata Lake there, it makes a sharp bend to the west. You see that?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Okay, so what happened is once that water hit that fractured area, area of the monocline, a large flow then exploited that weakened rock. And that became Lower Grand Coulee. And then, look, you see Monster Rock right there? That's a big old rock that's sitting out in the middle of the field right there, yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And that outwash plane from the discharge of Grand Coulee came all the way down and Moses Lake is in that discharge plane. And what you'll see there too is also something else that we call a paleocurrent indicator. Because if you have one of these outwashes, You can picture this.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
When the water is forceful with a lot of power, the stuff that it's picking up is going to be very coarse, bouldery, you know. Once it slows down, what do you think that drops out first? The bigger stuff. And then as you get progressively down current, as the current gets weaker and spread out, you get a finer and finer grain of sediment.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So if you look at a big outwash plane or a bar that's created a delta fan, you'll see that the up current has the biggest rocks, and then it gets progressively finer as you move down current. So that's one way you call that a paleo current, the ancient current indicator, because what I do, and when I take people out on these, these tours is w we like follow the routes of the flood.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Um, I've probably been over this landscape as much or more than anyone else in the world, actually. I mean, I've been over this back and forth over this landscape I don't know, 30 times, 40 times, I've lost count. I've taken hundreds of people out. I've been on... many geologists guided field trips. And a lot of them have been really knowledgeable.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I'm down here to meet with Tucker Carlson. And, uh, so, uh, Malcolm, I guess, heard that, you know, I'd kind of like given his secret island location where he had a laboratory on an island in the Indian Ocean. And I kind of, I let the cat out of the bag. So he actually came to Florida here, came to Sarasota, and we met.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I've come away with greater insight, but at the same time, I'm, I'm coming away with this thought. They're not looking at the big picture. Like they're, they're, they're thinking it's confined to this one region. They're not, for example, connecting anything that happened here with the Drumlin swarm over by Lake Ontario. See, that's not happening yet. That's what I'm trying to get.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
We got to look at the big picture.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, now it suddenly became apparent that the disappearance of the ice was way quicker than anybody had imagined. The two possibilities, impact, hypervelocity impact, and some type of a solar event. To transport this stone would have required such a massive effort. It implies social organization on a level that we hadn't even conceived of before. The Sphinx has to get pushed back.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
It needs to be public knowledge.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Because. When we start talking about environmental change and climatic change and all of that, If you don't recognize this agency, and what we're looking at here, I think, is only like the most recent incarnation of these events. Yeah, we're missing the major part of the big picture. Right.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And all of our, you know, our conjecturing and surmising about things is going to be woefully incomplete until we start taking these larger steps and realize that, well, yeah, the Younger Dryas and the termination of the last Ice Age is the most recent manifestation of events on this scale, but there have been others. Sure, yeah. Of course, one of the things that I look at
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
is, you know, if you're using it as a yardstick, is species loss. Yeah, I was just thinking that.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Species loss is a direct result, a direct function of habitat loss. Habitat loss is going to be the direct result of catastrophic events. And we have to go back at least 3 million years to find a species loss on the scale of the terminal Pleistocene, all the big creatures we were just seeing.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Exactly. Yeah, because if we talk about Pleistocene mammalia, North America lost three-quarters of its megafauna. We define megafauna as 44 kilograms body weight, which is about 100 pounds. So North America and South America both lost about three-quarters of their megamammals. Eurasia lost about 35%, and Africa lost about 10%. What does that tell you?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Tells you that, you know, if there was one place that probably was the least dramatically affected by these changes, it was African. It was probably like the Eastern African highlands around Kenya and that area, the great rift zone. That area I think was kind of a refugium, if you will. Um, Northern Africa, I think got blasted, you know, uh, the Nile river, uh,
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Same thing, there were gigantic floods flowing north into the eastern Mediterranean, dated right there to the Younger Dryas, 12,000, 13,000 years ago. Several papers I've read, one of them was called, you know, referred to it as the Wild Nile. Another paper is actually going back to the 1800s, where they discovered freshwater, like Serena Flores, Cerano fluvialis, I believe it's called.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
It was a type of freshwater mussel that lives, or snail, I forget which, that lives in the modern Nile. And they've found deposits of these guys 150 feet above the modern floodplain of the Nile. They've also found huge deposits in the eastern Mediterranean that looked like it was outwashed from the Nile. So there were apparently major floods in the Nile River.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Pretty much every river on earth at some point. Certainly all the rivers in North America. I haven't found a single river in North America that's not in an underfit to its valley, its channel that it's flowing in. So, but when you get to some of these rivers, like the ones we've been looking at here, Grand Coulee and all, we're looking at direct discharge from the ice sheets.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
However, we can see evidence for gigantic flows and floods that were far removed from the ice sheets. So we can't blame it directly on rapid melting of the ice sheets. But, I mean, it has to be pluvial, meaning rainfall, extreme rainfall.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah, he came because I had told him I was coming down here to do the interview with Tucker Carlson. So I got this picture of me and him and Tucker at Tucker's studio, you know, so
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
who's oh i'm sure there's somebody uh give me some you know if i start thinking about it there's there's a small but growing list and i've noticed that um there's definitely a new generation of geology students i've gotten quite a few contacts from yeah i'm enrolled in geology and you know at such and such university and what you're saying seems to make more sense to me than
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah, I think it's happening. It's probably going to take another decade or so.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I know, but I'm really trying to... You are.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well... Okay, but I started formally studying geology in the 1970s. I've been out in the field with, God, I don't know, 15 or 20 geologists doing this kind of work. I've read thousands of geology papers. I've covered, I'm guessing, 200,000 miles in the field. And I figure I've put in enough time to have an opinion. I've earned the right to have an opinion on this.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Oh yeah. I mean, uh, the last tour I did of, of, of, uh, the Cumberland plateau in, uh, Tennessee and Kentucky showing evidence of catastrophic erosion. There was two geologists that came on there and they were well-established geologists. They weren't students. They were professional geologists. And I've ended up getting quite a few geologists that have come on these tours.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Anyways, he met me here, and then I was going to – I don't remember the exact sequence of events, but he decided since he was here, he was going to stay around for a while, and he rented a place up on Boca Grande, and it was a couple of years ago, so – Turned out that the manager of the place was a fan of mine. Okay. And then they had a restaurant that had closed down during COVID.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And, you know, sometimes they'll, they ask a lot of questions and, you know, which I appreciate because sometimes I'll get a different perspective or a different angle. But, you know, I'm usually at this point able to pretty much you know, explain, you know, we, we go out there and the evidence of the field is pretty, pretty convincing.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, the geologists that look at this admit, yeah. I mean, they acknowledge that, yeah, you're looking at... Victor Baker in 1973, when he was a grad, I think still a graduate student, he wrote a paper on his studies northeast of Spokane, Washington. And up to this point, nobody had ever done a detailed hydraulic analysis of these flows.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
There was a couple of, you know, Brett's calculated flows in Washington, J.T. Pardee with the U.S. Geological Survey.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
uh calculated flows in um in eastern montana western montana uh we're going to look at some slides here in a minute where i'm going to show you um in western montana there's gigantic flood features and there were two geologists bretts and party independently studying these two things and then in the 1950s geologists began to put those two things together
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
One of them, western Montana, was Glacial Lake Missoula, and then eastern Washington was the Channel Scablands. And see, the geological community has accepted the reality of what's termed the Missoula Flood. But it's my opinion that, again, that the focus is too limited here.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, I made, let's see, in 1999, I did my first transect up the Rocky Mountain Trench up to the headwaters of the Columbia, up to the headwaters of the Okanagan River. I followed the Fraser River down to where it discharges at Vancouver with my good friend and colleague, Brad Young. He's been with me, helping me with this research since the 90s. And, uh,
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
In every case, you could see the evidence for tremendous peak discharges and they're all headed towards the south. And when you see the maps, you know, it gets complicated, but where I diverge from the conventional view is that the conventional view looks at the sources. Everything is Lake Missoula from Western Montana. And I say, no, Lake Missoula was not really a lake.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
It was just a temporary holding pond. But the ultimate source of the water was to the north. It was over British Columbia. It was the massive amounts. I mean, the Cordier and Ice Sheet from northern Washington up to Alaska could have been enormous. close to a million cubic miles.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
The bottom third or fourth of it, which could have been several hundred thousand cubic miles, um, when it melted, it all had to discharge to the south. And, uh, Like if we go to this graphic, this is basically what we see now in terms of distribution of ice. You see ice over the Arctic Ocean. You see ice over Greenland. We don't see Antarctica, but Antarctica is the greatest mass of...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
uh, of, of glacial ice and maybe 5 million cubic miles of ice roughly, I think. So the Greenland ice sheet that you see there, if we could pick that up and set it over the Western mountains of Canada and Northern United States, that would have been roughly about the same mass as the Cordier and ice sheet. If we look at the.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
The Antarctic ice sheet on the South Pole, that was about the mass of the Laurentide ice sheet. The Laurentide ice sheet was roughly centered over what is now Hudson Bay. And so that was where the ice was at least a mile and a half thick. Well, with that much ice on the land, it compressed, called isostatic depression.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And the analogy I always use, look, we're sitting on these cushions right here, right? So it's creating an isostatic depression. And if we stand up, then you have isostatic compensation. The ice, it... rebounds, right? But as soon as we sit down, it compresses it.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So there are shorelines more than 1,000 feet above Hudson Bay, which were the result of the uplift of the land after the ice was removed, right? So Hudson Bay, think of that. That was roughly the center. Uh, the Southern, you see all of look where all of the great lakes were, they were all under the ice, the Laurentide ice sheet. Um, again, because the sea level is 400 feet lower.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So he gives us the key that says, hey, why don't you guys just take this over while you're here? And we set up sort of a temporary recording studio in there and we recorded some things, but... So we go to breakfast. This is like a couple of days later.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
If you go to the next slide, Ryan, we'll kind of get the configuration of 15 to 20,000 years ago during what's called the late glacial maximum. And. There is as much ice there that you would have to more than double the amount of glacial ice combined, Greenland and Antarctica. And it's all gone now. It's gone.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, the other question that's raised that's worthy of discussion is that in order to melt that ice, you have to have heat energy. And we won't have time to get into it today, but in the early 70s, geologists were looking at this and climatologists.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
There was a group, there was two conferences held, one in 73 and I think one in 75, when after 20-some years of radiocarbon dating, it became apparent that the formation and disappearance of those ice sheets was way faster than anybody had imagined. Like, you know, there were forests apparently growing around Hudson Bay 40,000 years ago.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, the assumptions before that was that the Great Ice Sheet was at least 100,000 years old. Well, then it took tens of thousands of years to form, more tens of thousands of years to disappear. Well, if there's forests growing under where the center of the ice sheet is 35,000, 40,000 years ago... They had to rethink all the timelines.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, the problem was is they were using glacial recession rates that were extrapolated from the melting of the ice of the Little Ice Age, from the 1800s and so on. Well, now you're talking about tens of thousands of years. Well, now it suddenly became apparent that the disappearance of the ice was way quicker than anybody had imagined.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So it, this created a paradox and it was called the energy paradox. Where the hell did the energy come from? And again, I've done a whole, whole presentation on this. I don't think I've given it to, to, uh, Ryan. Maybe I did, but so basically what they realized was, well, Where is the most heat energy available on planet earth today? Well, sub-Saharan Africa might be a candidate.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Tropical oceans would be a candidate. So what would happen if we move the entire mass of ice that you see there to a tropical ocean? It's going to melt very quickly. It's going to melt quick, but at least three times longer than the ice it took for the ice to actually melt. That was the paradox. Then at the end of the 73 conference, they scheduled another one. I think it was 75. They went back.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
We go to breakfast, and it turns out that one of the associates here who actually was with the World Bank lets Malcolm know that I'd apparently, because I had mentioned Mazda. Right, right. And there was a nondescript... didn't know non-disclosure agreement. Um, so he was on his way to Japan to do damage control. And I'm like, Oh my God, look, I'm nobody. What am I?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And at the end of that one, they said, there's an error in the data somewhere. So we'll put this on the shelf and get back to it. And to my knowledge, no one's really gotten back to it. to solve that question. So what's the answer? Well, I think that the two possibilities, impact, hypervelocity impact, and some type of a solar event. However, I still, I'm going to lean towards the impact. And why?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Because if you chart the drumlin swarms under the ice sheet, what you see is that there are epicenters of melting. Like we can go up to the Nechaco Plateau, which is Prince George, British Columbia. That was an epicenter of melting. And we can follow the paths of that meltwater, which I've done now, through all of these north-south trending river valleys, and they all converge on the same area.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And there's other areas that can be identified that see normally you would presume just like with the little ice age glaciers they're melting back from the margin and they recede generally from the north to the uh from the south towards the north Yes, there was recession from the margins, but on the other hand, there were epicenters of melting.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
There were hundreds of miles, even like a thousand miles removed from the margin of the ice sheet. Why would you have ice melting, you know, a thousand miles up under the center of the ice sheet? Right. It's weird. It would require an input of energy of some kind at that point. Yep. There we go. Now that Ryan's pulled that up, that's interesting that you've got that.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
If you zoom in and you look at those, so that's the plateau area, plateau country up there. And look at those valleys. You see how they're more or less north-south trending. That Rocky Mountain Trench is that long, linear feature. Yes. Follow that down. Keep going. Yeah. And it's terminus. It'll be at Flathead Lake.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
right there and at the south end of flathead lake you see the town of polson zoom in and you'll see that it's see that that's terminal mooring right there and that terminal mooring has been breached by the flathead river but all that hummocky stuff that's terminal mooring then you go south of there in mission valley where it's more or less flat that's all glacial outwash
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Come over to the west, Camas Prairie, which is that open circular kind of basin. Come to the east a little bit. You're almost there. Right, yeah, go north. Yeah, there you are, Camas Prairie. Zoom in there. And now go down to your satellite view. You're going to see something pretty remarkable. Now go zoom in and start scrolling up to the north. Stop right there and you'll see Highway 382.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah, zoom in right there. Look at there. Look at what you're looking at there. These are gigantic current ripples. Now, this is what led J.T. Pardee in his 1944 paper, I believe, which was the last paper he wrote, a scientific paper, after he had a long career at the U.S. Geological Survey. His first paper was published in 1910, and it was called Glacial Lake Missoula.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And he had discovered evidence because of sediment on the floor and high shorelines that there had once been a giant lake there, right? That these mountain basins held this giant lake. 34 years later, roughly... He publishes his second paper and this paper is entitled unusual currents in Lake Missoula.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
His evidence for unusual currents was, as you're seeing right here, these are gigantic current ripples slowly scrolled in the north, Ryan. Yeah, and look what you've got here. You've got a huge flow coming straight down. Then you've got a flow kind of coming that's flowing to the southwest. And you can see, I mean, you can see these giant ripples.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
You know, this World Bank is on its way to Japan to do damage control. Right. So I'm like, Oh my God. You know, then a day or two goes by, we're having breakfast at an outdoor cafe and I'm Malcolm's phone rings, and he answers it. It's the same fellow. He says, well, it turns out it's cool. They saw their, after this comments, their stock shot up.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Some of these ripples are the height of a five-story building. The wavelength is 300, 400 feet sometimes. You have farms that are sitting in the troughs of those ripples, and you can't see over them. Well, this was a gigantic flow that came from the north, obviously melt water. And how do you explain this? Well, you can't deny that this is a gigantic flood that came through here.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But again, what's not happening is that this flow is being correlated, say with the giant flow that came down through Minnesota or North or South Dakota or farther east. Because see what we're seeing with LIDAR now is that there are giant ripple trains all over the place.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I mean, we're beginning to see, you know, see, it took J. Harlan Bretts 20 years or more traversing the eastern Washington to be able to map the scab lands. What we can see now in an instant, in an instant from satellite survey.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, of course, we've got digital elevation models, we've got LIDAR, we've got ground penetrating radar, we've got all of these tools at our disposal that can increase our ability to perceive the planet. And what we're discovering is that the whole planet has engraved into it evidence of these gigantic catastrophic events. Things that we couldn't see a generation ago, we're able to see now.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And so one of the things that I'm trying to do is trying to confer upon people the ability to see this stuff, to know that there's this epic story engraved into the surface of this planet that's been waiting 12,000 years to get deciphered. And now we're in this unique perspective where we can actually begin to put the pieces together.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And I think, to me, the insight that we derive from this is that what we're seeing here is evidence that planet Earth is part of a much larger cosmic ecosystem. And that sometimes things happen in the cosmos and it translates directly into events down here below in the surface of the planet. And to me, at this point, it's indisputable. There's... I mean, how are you going to explain this?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Go ahead. Explain it. With some means other than a gigantic flow. And I've been through here many times, and you can see the high shorelines on the mountainside. And they're 4,200 feet above sea level. 4,200 feet. The floor is 3,800 feet. Sorry, 2,800 feet above sea level. The valley is five miles wide. Do the math.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
When this was flowing through here, you have to imagine a river five miles wide and 1,400 feet deep. That's what created this terrain we're seeing here. Five miles wide, 1,400 feet deep. Now, 99.99% of the human race does not know about this. So that's kind of my mission is to say, well, archaeologists, if you're asking the question, well, where's the evidence? There it is. Yeah. It's gone.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
There is the evidence is yeah. If these events happened now, I'd be challenging archeologists of 10,000 years in the future to find any evidence that we were here and built this civilization.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
The land itself is the evidence.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
You can't. And they don't. The next thing that has to happen in these studies is the integration of all of this diverse and disparate evidence and putting it together into a coherent model of global change. And linking it with, for example, mass extinctions. Linking it with extreme climatic events. Ryan, why don't we go back to the slides.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Oh yeah, one of my heroes, Herman Flone, he's one of the godfathers of modern climatology. Let's see what he had to say.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
He said, from the viewpoint of, and look at this, this is 1979, from the viewpoint of the climatologist, the most important result of these investigations is the fact that within the human timescale of about 100 years or less, our climate is much more variable than hitherto assumed. Especially important, and indeed disquieting,
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
is the evidence of abrupt coolings within warm interglacial periods, apparently as rare events with a recurrence interval of 10,000 years. Now, he's talking about cooling events, but the counterpart is warming events, and we're going to see some more of that. Let's go to the next one, Ryan.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So he says the problem of intense, abrupt, intense coolings during an interglacial, which we're in an interglacial, During an interglacial climate similar to the present climate resembles, to some extent, the Damocles sword hanging high above the globe and its inhabitants. Because of its possible consequences for the human race, its study deserves a much higher priority. Now, this was in 1979.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, hold on this slide for a second. So what we're looking at here is from Greenland ice cores. If you go down the right-hand column, zero is now. Ten means 10,000 years ago. Over on the left, zero is the ice surface. 1,500 means 1,500 meters down. Now, shifts to the left mean cooling. Shifts to the right mean warming. Okay.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Oh. Well, I don't think they followed through on it, but yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, if you look at this, and of course, at one point, as it says here, look, the graph of the last 10,000 years of temperature change as preserved in Greenland ice cores shows temperature constantly and repeatedly warming and cooling 2 to 3 degrees Fahrenheit or more. In fact... Just up from the bottom, you'll see a spike to the left. That's at 8,200 to 8,400 years ago.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
That was a spike of cooling that lasted about 200 years. If that happened now, our civilization would be extinct. You would have global agricultural failures. Yeah, okay. And within two years, within two years, we'd have mass famine. Shortly after that, because of weakened immune systems, we'd have pandemic diseases, the whole thing. Humans would survive. We survived that.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah, okay, see, small world, I guess. So, yeah, just it got wild. And then, yeah, it's gone from there. So, you know, I really took a deep dive in to try to understand the technology. And, you know, I've got a pretty good idea now, but, you know, it's still, the question now is not, does it work? It works.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
However, we would be pretty much back to the Stone Age, unless we created some kind of or place where we could preserve, right?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yes, I would agree with that. This is from ice cores that were extracted nearly nineties. Okay. Like I think this paper that we're looking at, it was published in 93. And, uh, at the time the question was, well, is this just a local or regional event? Or was it global?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
In a second, when Ryan goes to the next slide, we're going to see the Younger Dryas in there, which again, one of the questions was, is this local, regional, or global? Well, pretty much the evidence is overwhelming now in favor of global. It was global in its extent. Now, it wasn't necessarily uniform everywhere about the plan, but it was definitely the signature of the Younger Dryas is global.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, if we go to the next slide, now don't click it yet. What we're going to do is we're going to go down to the bottom of the ice core. And we're going to see something pretty amazing that needs to be part of the discussion about climate change. If you come to me and you start talking about climate change and the consensus and the science is settled, I say, get the hell out of here.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah. Yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Oh, extreme. And look down towards the bottom. You see that massive shift to the right? That's a period called the Eemian. Marine isotope stage 5E. That is a warming. That's a global warming right there. And it was not caused by soccer moms driving SUVs.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
That goes back to 250,000 years ago. That's all the way to the bottom 3000 meters down. That's all the way to the bottom of the Greenland ice sheet. Now this is oxygen isotopes and. And what can cause something like that?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, see, you just asked me, that's the question. Yeah. We need to know. Yeah. Now, you can see the spasm that got us out of the Ice Age. There was a massive warming. Then it cooled. That was the Younger Dryas. If we go to the next slide, I think we're zooming in on that. Let's go back. So, like, just how –
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Too many people have seen it work, independent people who are skeptical, who came in and said, eh. And then the question is not, does it work? The question is, how does it work? And that's, that's the controversy and it's quite remarkable. Uh, the results. I mean, it's to me, I look at it and go, this is it's transmutation. It's alchemy. It's like a recovery of alchemy. I it's all I can say.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, yeah, I mean, you think about going back to a full glacial mode compared to now. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you had at the end of the last ice age, you had armadas of icebergs, giant icebergs flowing south along the east coast of the United States as far as Florida. Yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So you go across the peninsula to the other side 12,000, 13,000 years ago, you could see huge icebergs floating to the south, melting as they flow, but But, yeah, I don't think we've seen – I mean, have you seen any icebergs off of – It's been a minute, yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, okay, the good question – Now, one of the considered to be the modern analog, the analog for the modern Holocene was the Eemian, right? And the Eemian was apparently a period of extended warmth that was considered to be the analog for the Holocene. But that's the Eemian right there, that huge spike to the... So it's now recognized that the Eemian was a lot more variable than the Holocene.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
It's like what it's done is the relative stability of the Holocene has given us this window of opportunity within which we have created modern civilization. If any of that, any of that happened now...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Forget it.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
See, one of the things that's frustrated me is, you know, when I was quoting Herman Flone there from 1979, now it's 79, early 80s, when I was reading and learning about this, that, oh, wow, you know, climate has really changed dramatically. So then...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
in the early 90s when I heard, okay, they're actually forming a major organization, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to study, just like Flohn said, its study deserves much higher priority. That's what he said in the, and yeah, we need to know what's, of course, we didn't have this detailed then, but we already knew enough to know that there had been these extreme changes.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So I thought, okay, yeah, this is exactly what we need. Well, then the first report comes out, and I start learning more about the IPCC, and I realize, wait a second, this isn't really about the science of climate change. This is about the politics. And they're already given a preordained outcome.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And from that point on, there was a selective study, and in some of my other shows that I put together, I've got the quotes, the charter, and everything saying directly that The whole point of this is to show the human influence. And then what happened is, see, so this came out in like 93, right? So at the same time, we're beginning to realize how dynamic the planetary climate has been.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
All of a sudden now politics intercedes and goes, okay, we're going to focus on human climate change. And we're going to ignore, for the most part, natural climate change because that's going to detract from the preordained conclusions that humans are at fault here. And we want to focus all of this on human activity and so forth and it's carbon dioxide.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And we could spend, I wrote a 90 page essay on carbon dioxide. Where I've just gone into the whole, all aspects of carbon dioxide and the narrative.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, in terms of earth history, yeah, we're at low levels, very low levels. In fact, you could even say, well, and see, here's another fact. When you have these coolings, like you see there. Ocean is going to cool down also. The solubility of carbon dioxide is a function of the temperature of the ocean water.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So you know that if you have a fizzy drink, a soda, you know, the fizzy is carbon dioxide. If it warms, the carbon dioxide just outgasses, right? So what happens if an ocean warming outgasses carbon dioxide, a cooling ocean sucks in carbon dioxide. Photosynthesis basically begins between 150 and 180 parts per million.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Because less than 150 parts per million, CO2 pressure in the atmosphere isn't enough. It's too hard for plants to... consume the carbon dioxide, right? What happens is you have stomata in plants, which is the apertures that uptake the carbon dioxide. So if carbon dioxide pressure goes up, You don't, you don't want to be like, you don't want to eat too much.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
You know, you want to, you know, you're not going to be a glutton and stuff yourself. So you don't eat four big meals. You don't eat four Thanksgiving dinners at once. Right? Well, so now carbon dioxide pressure goes up. The stomata in the plant in particularly in leaves shrinks, right? When it goes down, it's grasping for more carbon dioxide.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
When the pressure goes down, so the stomata open up to try to bring in more, right? So now, it's well established, experimentally and empirically, that carbon dioxide is It's got two functions. One, it is like what we would call a greenhouse gas, right? So it captures, it's transparent to the shortwave heat radiation coming in.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But then that radiation is absorbed into the solid mass of the planet and re-radiated at a longer wavelength. The carbon dioxide is opaque to that longer wavelength. So what happens is that some of that carbon dioxide, I mean some of that heat, rather than expelling out to space, some of it gets reflected back down to Earth. And that's basically the global warming scenario.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But if you think of a sponge, a dry sponge, you set it on the table and you start pouring water on it. Right. It's going to soak up that water. It'll keep soaking it up until it gets saturated. At which point the w the, the water is going to begin to flow out, right? Well, there's a window of wavelengths. It's about, um, 14 to 17 microns, roughly.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
That is the window, the capture window for carbon dioxide. That capture window happens to be the same capture window as water vapor. What's happening is once you hit 50 to a hundred parts per million, the heat capturing ability of carbon dioxide is almost completely exhausted.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
About the same time that the heat capture function of carbon dioxide begins to dissipate and lose its functionality of heat capture is when the pressure is now enough to drive photosynthesis. But again, if you go less than 150 parts per million, photosynthesis stops. During the late glacial maximum, carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere got as low as 180 parts per million.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I mean, it's – it's going to, if it does become mainstream, it's absolutely going to revolutionize the industrial landscape of the planet. I mean, I'm convinced of that because of what it does. And I mean, once you start looking into it, you go, yeah, this is like next level stuff here, what he's doing. And there's other independent researchers that have come up with similar things.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, if you look at the long term, and we can actually calculate, we can go from carbon dioxide trapped in bubbles in ice cores, but going back even farther than that, we can look at fossil leaves and study, look at the size of the stomatal apertures, right? And It gets more complicated than that, but basically in a nutshell, that's kind of what's going on.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But what we see is that the lowest carbon dioxide has been in the atmosphere since life appeared has been during the Pleistocene. What differentiates the Pleistocene from the previous Pliocene is that roughly two and a half million years ago, something...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
caused a major shift in global climate and the planet began to this oscillation between interglacial like we're now in full glacial back and forth how many times i don't think anybody's worked that out yet the problem is is that each time you have a glaciation it pretty much obscures and erases a lot of the evidence of previous glaciations
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But there's been enough evidence to show that, yeah, there've been a multiple interglacial glacial cycles, and that is what characterizes the Pleistocene, right? But if we go back to the beginning of life on earth, carbon dioxide concentrations have been up to a thousand to 2000 parts per million or more. In the long-term view, that's the norm.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Pre-industrial carbon dioxide, 280 parts per million. Go back to the early 1800s, 280 parts per million. Go back to the end of the last ice age, 180 parts per million. So during some of those episodes there, what we saw was that carbon dioxide came within a whisker of getting to the point where photosynthesis stops. If photosynthesis stops, the biosphere dies.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, depending on your perspective, if you look at the long-term perspective, you could say, well, we're actually in a carbon dioxide drought. And for most of life history, it's been double, triple, quadruple what it is now, with no apparent bad effect whatsoever. In fact, some of the times when life has been most prolific is when the carbon dioxide has been the greatest.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
We also see that going back to 30, 40 years ago, when we first started getting satellite surveys of, let's say, the forest inventory of the planet. And projections were being made based upon previous rates of forest loss that were primarily through deforestation.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And the projection was, is that come around the 21st century, we'd be down to, I forget, half, three quarters perhaps of the forest inventory that we had then. Well, somehow that didn't work out. What has happened is, as we look at more satellite surveys, the number of trees has increased enormously in the last 20 or 30 years.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And I've got a whole series of papers where it's going from, why are projections not holding accurate? You know, looking at the, all the potential different variables. Well, pretty much now it's like, well, we've now seen that there's 20% conservative, 20% more forests than we had projected. Why? Well, the number one reason, carbon dioxide fertilization.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But what I've been able to see, he's kind of taken it to the furthest extent. And he knew some of the big names of the inventors that preceded him. And so he was able to draw a lot on their work and he gives everybody credit. So yeah, I think he's really, I mean, he's a humanitarian. He doesn't really want anything. He just wants to be a recluse on his island. That's all he wants, really.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Like if you were to talk to plants, plants would be like, hey, give us more, give us more, right? Also, we're well beyond the point where Uh, the heat capture of is, is pretty much exhausted at this point. And we can look at graphs. I don't know if I, I don't think, you know, we could do that in a, in another interview, but, uh, and take a deep dive into that.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But yeah, I mean, it's now well established that, um, even going back a hundred years ago, it was realized that the heat capture of carbon dioxide was exhausted after a hundred, 150 parts per million. at about the same concentrations at which the greenhouse effect loses its influence and photosynthesis takes over, between 150 and 200 parts per million. So that's where that's at.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, getting back to that chart that we were looking at up there, oh my God, I mean, you know, what's going on there is... So I'm guessing that the Eemian down there must have seen a major outgassing of oceanic...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I've often thought, you know, if we look at our modern, say the last 10,000 years, we can see that, oh, they're, you know, interestingly, if you look at the graph from where you see it, it trails upward and then you see the vertical dashed line. Yeah. Okay, so that vertical dashed line represents roughly the average temperature of the planet now for comparison.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And what you're going to see there is if you take away that spike at 8200, you'll see that the amplitude increases as we get towards the present. See, at those swings, left, right, hot to cold, hot to cold, during this period called the climatic optimum, coming just out of the ice age, has increased.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So in other words, the variability of the climate has increased from those first, say, let's say around 3,000, 4,000 years in the immediate post-glacial environment. The other thing to look at is interesting that if you go just below, you're going to see there's two great warming spikes. Look at there, just to the left of 15. You see there's a warming spike. That's meltwater pulse 1A.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Come up and you see the second one right there coming across just below 10. That's the meltwater pulse 1B about 11,600 years ago. And then that full shift to the left where it's got cold really rapidly, that is the Younger Dryas. And then if we look at this next quote, we're going to see the pace at which these warming events took place. So Ryan, go to the next slide.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Oh, I think it gets pushed back well into the prehistory. The biggest earthquake in North America was the Great Earthquake in Alaska, right at just about nine on the Richter scale. So there were earthquakes at the end of the last ice age that were a hundred times greater than that. There's a lot of controversy around Malcolm.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So now this was 1993, Richard Fairbanks. He is one of the godfathers of... you know, ancient climate change for measurements of annual ice layer thickness over the past 15,000 years. The authors find that Greenland's climate emerging from the last ice age twice. Those were the two spikes shifted from glacial to interglacial conditions over an astonishingly quick three to five years.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Warming that's, that's warming. That's 10 times more than the warming of the last century and a half. And it happens over three to five years. Don't tell me that the debate is over, that the science is settled. It is not, it's not, it's not. How do you explain that? It's a challenge. Let's go to the next one, Ryan, and see where we're going here. Oh yeah, so here we go.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
This is honing in on that shift out of the Ice Age. Two extreme global warming events at the end of the Great Ice Age. And notice if you go down just below 15 and you see it's squiggling left and right.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
If you were to draw a line from there, you'll see where the trend is towards the warming as you're coming out of the ice, coming out of the Younger Dryas at 11,600, you'll see that it's cool and then it's warming. And when you get to 10,000 years ago, it's pretty much Holocene warmth.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But if you draw a line along that trend, you can almost see that the warming would have started back at 15,000 years ago. And then something interrupted it. Something interrupted it. And this was the, whatever occurred then. And it's within those two warming spikes that the mass extinction took place. Yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And I feel like that he's perhaps vindicated his life. But yeah, so this Roland Perry wrote a book called The Shaman, which is basically, I mean, what Roland told me, he says the book is basically true, but I wrote it as fiction because it's so bizarre that most people won't the only way I could really put it out there was disguise it as fiction.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Yeah. Yeah. Something happened. We came out of the ice age. And of course, here's the other thing, you know, we talk about mass extinction of mega fauna. I think there's evidence now emerging that the human species underwent a pretty severe bottleneck. And it took three to 5,000 years for a population to recover, to rebound from this.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And I think that that can explain why we begin to see, you know, I mean, then say eight to 10,000 years ago, we see the shift from foraging, nomadic hunter gathering to a more sedentary agricultural lifestyle. right around there where it finally stabilizes, more or less. We see the domestication of animals. We see the dispersion of languages.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Between 8,000 and 9,000 years ago, we see some of the first urban complexes showing up. Interestingly, what this tells me is that it took 3,000 to 4,000 to 5,000 years for the... human population to recover enough that we could actually, for example, there was just not enough people to build cities with some important exceptions. Gobekli Tepe is one, which of course you know about. Oh yeah.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Right, yeah. You know, Robert Shock's work on the Sphinx, which I think the Sphinx has to get pushed back. That's a whole other interesting conversation we could have.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Oh, I think it gets pushed back well into the prehistory. I think it preceded what you're seeing here. Yeah. And in fact, if you're going to make the argument of where's the evidence for prehistoric, prehistory, I would say it's monumental stone work.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Because I read a book a number of years ago on what would be just not even catastrophic change, but just if we were to, humans were to abandon the planet and What would we find that we had been here 10,000 years from now?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, the cities are gone because you'd see an accelerating deterioration, you know, skyscrapers, you know, if you, once, once the grounding system erodes away, which would take a century, a couple of centuries, now you're going to have constant lightning strikes, which are going to do all kinds of damage. Um, you know, if you have any kind of seismic event at all, Buildings are going to collapse.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I mean, look, look at some of the great bridges of the world are go undergo constant maintenance. There's constantly crews maintaining and they get through and then they start over again. If that ends, well, now the steel girders and I-beams and stuff, they rust away within a few centuries. Boom. What's going to be left in 10,000 years?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, in this book, they concluded that two things that might indicate to future archaeologists would be the Great Pyramids and Mount Rushmore. What else? Well, if we build something out of megalithic stones... But we don't, you know, and this raises another interesting question.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
You know, I've been a builder for years and, you know, we don't, if we get more than a half a ton or ton, which we can still manage manually, but any more than that, you know, we're going to bring in heavy equipment, right? We're not going to try to move anything.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
even a ton, you know, yeah, we can, we can in place a, a 12, a 2000 pound I-beam using manual techniques and we've done it, you know, but anything above that, yeah, we're not even going to attempt it. We're going to bring in heavy equipment right now, you know, we build with stone, but now mostly it's veneer stone.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
If it's structural stone, typically start looking at buildings, you know, 19th century, early 20th century built out of structural stone. You know, you're looking at blocks that might weigh 1 to 200 pounds. Why don't we build with stones that are 10 tons or 20 tons or 50 tons? Because it would be totally uneconomical, right?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, what would be true for our modern civilization would be 10 times more true for ancient cultures. Yet we find all over the world examples of megalithic stonework.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Okay, now we're supposed to believe that this is hunter-gatherers, that these are nomadic foragers that are, you know, or subsistence farming, that on their leisure time, they're quarrying 20-ton stones, transporting them sometimes hundreds of miles, and they're Okay. We, we could surmise. Okay. We've got, Hey, there's this one tribe and they were insane.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And for whatever reason, they were obsessed with quarrying big stones and moving them over the land. And, but when you find it over and over and over again, yeah, I just don't buy it. I don't buy that. This is all just the result of, of nothing more than manual labor. You know, the, uh, you read the recently, the, the, the, some of the new studies on the altar stone at Stonehenge.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Have you seen any of that?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
What is it? Was it six tons or 12 tons? It came from like the Orkney's up in Northern Scotland, at least 450, 460 miles. That stone had to get transported down to Southern England. And, you know, the archaeologists that have been looking at it, I read several articles by them, excuse me, interviews.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And they'll say things like, well, obviously, and it's, you know, they thought that it was one of the typical bluestone rhyolitic stones that came from whales until they took a better look at it and they realized, no, this is actually a third. It's not the sarsen stones that make the big outer rings or the horseshoe, the horseshoe trilithons. It's not the bluestones. It's something different.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So they look in their database, archaeologists have this database that they've been compiling for years, and it's all the different types of rocks that have been studied and where you can find them around the world, right? Forget what it's called, but... So they studied this and they found that they, that the exact match was these rocks up in Northern Scotland, up around the Orkneys.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So then now you had to transport this multi-ton stone 450 to 500 miles. If it's overland, well, now you're going over mountains, across rushing rivers, through thick, dense forests, or you might take it by sea. Then that raises questions about, well, what kind of seafaring craft
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
No. So what happened was when, uh, when I was going to go back on, I didn't know when, when Rogan invited me back on after the episode with Graham, you know, I didn't know that I hadn't met Malcolm at that time. I don't think, um, yeah, I'm pretty sure I hadn't met him. So, but then when I came back, that I think it was November, um, of what year, with Graham.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
would they have been using 5,000 years ago, transporting over the North Sea, which is well known for being, you know, the storms and stuff on the North Sea. I mean, so whether it was by sea or by land, it would have been an extremely challenging thing to undertake. The archaeologists are going, well, they must have had a compelling reason.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, yeah, but what's interesting to me is, well, the unique properties of that particular stone, which is very high in metal, that's why they were able to easily identify it, is because the only other place they found that type of rock was, again, up by the Orkneys.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
One of the metals and and don't ask me why because I've haven't thought about this long enough But it was very high in metals and one of the metals was barium Why don't I don't know but the question that was raised by the archaeologist was why would they do this? There must have been a compelling reason Well, maybe the compelling reason had something to do with the composition of the stone however
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now you think about this, you would transport this stone with what must have been a great deal of effort, 450, 500 miles, and you set it up in the center of this monument, and it's on the midsummer sunrise axis, so on that morning when the sun rises over the heel stone, the rays of sun shine right through the apertures of the sarsen stones and shines on this altar stone. No.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Why would they do that? Oh, well, it was a religious ceremony. No, there's gotta be more to it than that. See, and of course, now you've got, number one, to quarry some of those big sarsen stones that made up the trilithon. We're looking at what? I don't know, 15, 20 tons? We're looking at dozens of the bluestones that had to get transported like 120 miles?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So all of this effort, to me, okay, obviously these guys were pretty well-versed with engineering. They were able to transport these stones, erect them, but they were also astronomers because we know now that the limits of the moon's 18.6-year cycle are embedded in the geometry of the thing, right? Well, now do we have to add to that that they were geologists and identify... So...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
What we end up with here is, to me, you say, well, if we try to understand what they're up to, we have to really look at this as it's a scientific undertaking, a technological undertaking. But then that raises questions that are completely outside the purview of mainstream ancient history. who had this engineering capability.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And one of the things, interestingly, they talked about, well, to transport this stone would have required such a massive effort that it implies social organization on a level that we hadn't even conceived of before. So you're looking at high levels of social organization, engineering skill, astronomical skill.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I also think that we could make a strong argument that they were mathematicians and geometricians because we see that there is actually a geometric... proportions and so forth embedded in there within, within a few inches that to me is, yeah. Can we just dismiss this as coincidence? So we, you know, when you put all of that together, it just doesn't fit. It doesn't fit, doesn't fit.
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So what's the answer? I don't know. Other than the possibility that there's a whole lost history of the human species on this planet. And one reason that they're primarily lost is what we've just been seeing here, this dynamic nature of the planet. And to me, it raises questions about how deep and how far back does this technological and or scientific knowledge go?
Matt Beall Limitless
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And then I came back in, was it February? 24, right? Yeah. And at that point was when Malcolm was here. So I was with myself. Who was your most difficult where you're doing the interview, you're like, dude, I can't wait for this thing to finish.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And we've been talking about these great mega floods, right? That is one of the most ubiquitous of all stories and legends found around the planet, right? Over 100, 120 at least documented from different cultures have stories that, you know, counterparts to the biblical story. whether it's Utnapishtim or Zizithris or Manu or Kukulkan, the list goes on, right?
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
These culture heroes that survived this great flood. Well, let's go on here for a second. Global mega floods, origin of the worldwide deluge myths. Let's just start, Brian. I've kind of forgotten where we're at here. Oh, yeah, okay. 1815, one of the early geologists wrote this very interesting paper on the revolutions of the Earth's surface. The... That's...
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to transactions of the Royal Society of Edinburgh. It doesn't mean trans. The word has come to me now, apparently, a lot of times. Transactions of the Royal Society of Edinburgh. And he was right on the money with this. The facts brought forward in the following paper, according to my view of the subject, clearly indicate the operation of immense torrents.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, this was his studies over the British Isles and over Europe. Now we're going to jump forward in the next slide. This is a 1999 preliminary remote sensing assessment of Pleistocene cataclysmic floods in Central Asia. It was a paper presented at the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference number 28.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Recently identified Pleistocene flood features in the Eurasian continent indicate that planetary scale movement of water. has been a major agent in shaping the landscape of our planet. You can look at that planetary scale movement of water. Yeah. Let's go to the next one. This is great. This is George Catlin.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
He was the well-known Indian artist who spent the better part of his life traveling and living amongst Indian tribes in North America and Central America, maybe even in South America. This was his last book, Last Rambles Amongst the Indians of the Rocky Mountains and the Andes, right? And this is good. Of 120 different tribes, which I have visited in North and South and Central America, and
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Every tribe has related to me, more or less distinctly, their traditions of the deluge, in which one or three or eight persons were saved above the waters, on the top of a high mountain, and also their peculiar and respective theories of the creation.
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Some of these tribes living at the base of the Rocky Mountains and in the plains of Venezuela and the Pampa del Sacramento in South America make annual pilgrimages to the fancied summits where the antediluvian species were saved in canoes or otherwise and under the mysterious regulations of their medicine or mystery men tender their prayers and sacrifices to the Great Spirit to ensure their exemption."
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from a similar catastrophe. Now, regular historians or anybody mainstream, they say, well, obviously, you know, there must have been missionaries that, you know, they came and they told them the story of Noah and then they grafted this on to their you know, to their theology, and it became a central part. Problem was, many of these tribes, Catlin was the first white man they'd ever seen.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
They didn't hear it from missionaries. They had their own independent traditions. Next slide, Ryan. How far these general traditions of a flood relate to a universal deluge or to local cataclysm of which there have evidently been one or more over portions of the American continent, or whether there has been a universal deluge and at what period, it is difficult to determine.
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One thing, however, is certain. The Indian traditions everywhere point distinctly to at least one such event, and amongst the Central and Southern tribes, they as distinctly point to two such catastrophes, in which their race was chiefly destroyed.
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and the rocks of their countries bear evidence, yet more conclusive, of the same calamities which probably swept off the populations in the plains, and as their traditions say, left scattered remnants on the summits of the Andes and the Rocky Mountains.
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Amongst all these tribes, as well as amongst the present Mexicans and the numerous tribes to the north, even to the Kiowas and the Comanches, I have found distinct traditions of three successive cataclysms, two by water and one by fire.
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And in the rocks and mountains both in the West India Islands and on the Mexican coast, as well as in Yucatan and its ruins, I have found from chemical and geological tests undeniable evidences of the same catastrophes.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Now, of course, this was completely ignored by geology, which, you know, subsequent to this, Lyellian uniformitarianism became the primary dogma of geology once it became an academic discipline in the late 1800s. And at that point, all references to great floods, deluges, catastrophes was expunged from the curriculum. Why? Well...
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
It was only a few generations earlier that science had been able to finally dominate over a strictly theological or biblical interpretation. And they say, we're not going to compromise our hard-won, you know, supremacy over the biblical doctrine by going back to deluges and floods and all of that.
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And this is why in the 1920s when Harlan Bretts first proposed these great floods out in the Pacific Northwest, they didn't want to hear about it. And it took 25 years before they finally acknowledged and admitted that, you know, Brett's was right. But they then, they imposed upon that an explanation that I think basically straitjacketed any further explanation.
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Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
interpretations of what caused this flood. And this is a satellite view here of the Channel Scablands. This is the Columbia Basalt Plateau. You might see upper and lower Grand Coulee. And notice that sort of arc-shaped, darker area to the west of Grand Coulee. You see that? That is called the, that is the Withrow Moraine Plateau.
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Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
And that defines the southern limit of what is called the Okanagan ice lobe. And it's so loaded with rocks and boulders and stuff that there's been very little agriculture on it. And so that very distinct arcuate line there is the transition to where south of that is where you have the outwash plain. And that's mostly farms now.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
But as soon as you get to the mooring, it's too hummocky and you can't plow it. You can't grow anything on it. So that's kind of right there, that arcuate plain. features the southern lobe. It's called the Okanagan lobe, a part of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet. And you've got those darker areas. You see one coming down there about the middle of the screen. That's called the Telford Scabland Tract.
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And when Bretz discovered this, he assumed that it was a discharge. That's the Columbia River coming down, like from... just center right, makes a sharp bend to the west, goes over, and then you can see where Grand Coulee starts, and then the Columbia arcs to the north and then back to the south. He assumed that this was water discharging from the ice sheet right there at that great bend region.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Okay. That's not accepted now. Okay. The theory now is that it came from several hundred miles to the east from discharging Lake Missoula. Then over to the right-hand side of the screen, you've got what's called the Cheney-Palouse scab land. Okay. And that is coming just south of Spokane, Washington. It's right up there in the upper corner of the screen.
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And it comes down and it meets, you just see down there in the lower right-hand corner, you see a little piece of the Snake River. That came down and hit the Snake, the Valley of the Snake River. And all of this water coming from Grand Coulee, Telford, Cheney Palouse, and look at the snout of the Okanagan Lobe.
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He probably was.
Matt Beall Limitless
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You're going to see a big channel coming off of there, comes down and it hooks to the west and then does another sharp 90. You see that, what I'm talking about? Yeah. That's called Moses Coulee. That was another gigantic discharge. Almost the scale of Grand Coulee. 300 million cubic feet per second, roughly.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Well, so when we go in there and Jamie had pulled up all of this stuff, this whole thing with shale oil. and uh their their strategy was basically we see it in politics now all the time to basically paint him as a charlatan and um and that that's when we walked in jamie had printed out all of this stuff and it was joe do nothing about any of it now he's looking at all of this stuff and uh
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
So all of those, now the question is, is where all of those flowing simultaneously or were they sequentially? The current view is that they were sequential. I don't accept that.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
I think they were all flowing simultaneously and we can, you know, be, I don't want to get into too much detail why I think that, but, uh, I think I've got good reasons for thinking that, but this is the overview of the channel scab land. And let's go to the next slide, Drew. Ryan, sorry. This is a colored version, satellite view, taken from about 500 miles up.
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
Grand Coulee is off the scene to the left, but you see the Telford Scabland, you see the Cheney Palouse. You can see the Snake River now pretty clear. And you can see, for example, if you look at coming about halfway down Cheney Palouse, you're going to see an elongated lake, and then you're going to see this dark channel going to the west. That's like an overflow. That's a spillway out of Cheney.
Matt Beall Limitless
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the scab land tract, you go up to the top of the Telford and you can see a channel coming out, uh, flowing to the Southeast. And that was flowing out of Telford down here, flowing almost due West was flowing out of the, the, uh, Cheney Palouse. And I think both of these were flowing simultaneously. Um, so I've been all, you know, up and down through here, taking tours up and down there. And, um,
Matt Beall Limitless
Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
There's so, I mean, we could sit here for four hours and talk about just what we're looking at here, but we won't do that. Okay. Uh, let's go to the next one, Ryan. Oh yes. I'm just labeling stuff there. Strand lines on Mount Jumbo. This is Missoula.
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Ancient Cataclysms, Thunderstorm Tech & Lost Civilizations | #48 Randall Carlson
This is one of the things that JT Pardee first noticed that led him to believe there had been a great lake and the uppermost strand line, which is a shoreline is nearly a thousand feet above Missoula, the town. And then I just have a quote from Genesis there because it seemed apropos. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth and all the high hills were covered.