Rashid Khalidi
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first heard Dec 2024
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And I don't think there's a consensus and there has to be some kind of consensus around national objectives. So the Palestinians need to do all of that. And at the same time,
resist this ongoing moloch, this ongoing bulldozer of colonization and settlement and theft of land and this massive machine of occupation, which is being reinserted from the borders of Gaza into Gaza and which is expanding every day in the West Bank.
I mean, it involves things that nobody even thinks of, like the population register, like the fact that the General Security Services knows about every single Palestinian everywhere inside the occupied territories and in Israel and interferes with their lives at will. I mean, that's a mechanism of control and domination, which the Palestinians have to resist. and resist in various ways.
Just by staying on the land, staying in Palestine, they're resisting. But they have to do it in active ways, in passive ways, in all kinds of ways. And that's not easy to do when you don't have a strategy or a leadership.
Yeah, that's correct. It did more than that. It did more than that. I mean, think about it for a minute, David. After 1948, virtually every Israeli war was fought on Arab soil. And the Israeli population was basically preserved. Iraq fired a few missiles into Israel. You had horrific suicide attacks in the 1990s and early 2000s.
But with a few exceptions, Israel's population was relatively protected from harm while Arab populations were pummeled in every war. And so this is the first time since 1948 that you had an eruption into Israel and an attack on Israeli civilians. It is the largest civilian death toll in Israel since 1948.
The Israeli military didn't regain control of these border settlements and of its military bases, all of which, most of which were overrun, for four days till the 10th. That is obviously traumatic. I mean, and of course it triggered all kinds of historic memories. for Israelis and for Jews. I mean, obviously, just as Palestinians are triggered thinking of 67 and 48 and whatever else.
Israelis were triggered. I mean, we had these comparisons to pogroms. We had peculiar comparisons to the Holocaust. 800 people is not 6 million people, 800 civilians. But anyway, the point is that in terms of people's imaginary, that's what was going through their heads. And everybody in Israel is connected, just like everybody in Palestine is connected.
You know, everybody knew what was happening in those four days, those three or four days. So, yeah, trauma, trauma. However, let us treat human beings as human beings. 800 Israeli civilians were killed. 50, 60, 70, we won't know until the rubble is cleared in a year or two how many Palestinians were killed.
So trauma is trauma. I'm not suggesting that people's suffering can be measured and compared. But I think if we have the same yardstick for humanity, we are talking about a level of tragedy which I don't think has frankly been conveyed as it should have been by the media.
And Ireland as well.
It is unavoidable and inevitable. There's no other way. Neither side's going to eliminate the other and nobody's going anywhere. So, you know, it may take us another two generations or another generation. I don't know. I'm a historian. I can't tell you about what's going to happen. But I can tell you there's no alternative. There is no alternative. And it has to be based on justice and equality.
You cannot have one group that has rights that the other group doesn't have. And that's the problem right now. That's the core problem. You know, you've established a national entity. Fine, it's there. That national entity cannot control everybody and everything forever, which is what the course that unfortunately Israel is currently on.
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