Rob Kirsch

That was the problem with Tara Lee is that these poor adoptive parents trusted that she was doing it right and she was experienced and that I'm sure she talked a good game and made them feel comfortable that she was the expert at it and she took advantage of them.

Yeah, I mean, generally that's what happens is they've been communicating their whole pregnancy or the whole time that they've been matched together. I just got off the phone with an expectant mom in Michigan. The adoptive parents are from Georgia. They're coming to visit her next month and they're going to go to a prenatal appointment with her. So they can be there and have that relationship.

A lot of times the birth mom will let us know that she's on her way to the hospital or the adoptive parents will say, hey, we just heard from the birth mom and she's in labor now. So that's when we learn about it because really the communication has more been direct between the adoptive parents and the birth mom.

You know, we're certainly not the intermediary.