Robert Barnes

And I'm not going to keep my mouth shut about how they're trying to abuse the power and control of Bitcoin or the benefit of central planners and intelligence agencies and not ordinary people. And that's why he's being targeted. And he's been quiet until he did an interview with Tucker Carlson that was published yesterday.

And I'm not going to keep my mouth shut about how they're trying to abuse the power and control of Bitcoin or the benefit of central planners and intelligence agencies and not ordinary people. And that's why he's being targeted. And he's been quiet until he did an interview with Tucker Carlson that was published yesterday.

And credit to him, there's a bunch of people in the Bitcoin space that have been very, I've been very concerned about his case from day one. Same with Ross Ulbricht, the buddy of mine was his, that was the Silk Road case. Joshua Dratel was a buddy of mine, his lawyer, who documented all kinds of government misconduct. In that case, it turned out IRS agents were stealing money.

And credit to him, there's a bunch of people in the Bitcoin space that have been very, I've been very concerned about his case from day one. Same with Ross Ulbricht, the buddy of mine was his, that was the Silk Road case. Joshua Dratel was a buddy of mine, his lawyer, who documented all kinds of government misconduct. In that case, it turned out IRS agents were stealing money.

And yet these are the people that prosecuted him. So it's a terrifying case. It's another political case. And I'm trying to get it on the radar of the Trump world because Roger Ver is a guy that we cannot afford to be prosecuted if we're serious about protecting Bitcoin and if we're serious about depoliticizing the Department of Justice.

And yet these are the people that prosecuted him. So it's a terrifying case. It's another political case. And I'm trying to get it on the radar of the Trump world because Roger Ver is a guy that we cannot afford to be prosecuted if we're serious about protecting Bitcoin and if we're serious about depoliticizing the Department of Justice.

Well, I'm going to bring Aaron Day in here in a minute to talk about the topic of Bitcoin more generally and sort of contextualize this for us. Caleb, you put up a couple of tweets. I think one was Aaron, maybe both were Aaron's. We couldn't read them. Could you maybe read them to us?

Well, I'm going to bring Aaron Day in here in a minute to talk about the topic of Bitcoin more generally and sort of contextualize this for us. Caleb, you put up a couple of tweets. I think one was Aaron, maybe both were Aaron's. We couldn't read them. Could you maybe read them to us?

And there was another one also before you put, yeah.

And there was another one also before you put, yeah.

Got it. And again, before we go to break here, Robert, how do you understand Bitcoin generally? Are you sort of an advocate? Do you see it as something challenging central banks? How do you understand it? And then I'll let Aaron explain more to us when he gets in here after the break.

Got it. And again, before we go to break here, Robert, how do you understand Bitcoin generally? Are you sort of an advocate? Do you see it as something challenging central banks? How do you understand it? And then I'll let Aaron explain more to us when he gets in here after the break.

So I'm definitely more aligned with Roger's perspective on Bitcoin. I was a big believer in Satoshi's initial proposal. I think he's a genius, whoever he was. His goal was, how do we give people the tools and power? Exactly, that's correct.

So I'm definitely more aligned with Roger's perspective on Bitcoin. I was a big believer in Satoshi's initial proposal. I think he's a genius, whoever he was. His goal was, how do we give people the tools and power? Exactly, that's correct.

To give people the individual tools and techniques to challenge the state and be independent and separate from the state, whether it's central banks or central planners. And I mean, like what Bitcoin can do in places like Africa and other places is extraordinary. And we've seen it. We've seen it grow dramatically just since Trump got elected. It's, you know, Bitcoin is over 100,000 thereabouts.

To give people the individual tools and techniques to challenge the state and be independent and separate from the state, whether it's central banks or central planners. And I mean, like what Bitcoin can do in places like Africa and other places is extraordinary. And we've seen it. We've seen it grow dramatically just since Trump got elected. It's, you know, Bitcoin is over 100,000 thereabouts.

So I think it has the potential that Roger identifies. But it depends on people exercising that potential to give it that fulfillment. Otherwise, the intelligence apparatus and the rest will co-opt it, try to make it into a central bank digital currency. And then we get a social credit score that makes China's look like a walk in the park.

So I think it has the potential that Roger identifies. But it depends on people exercising that potential to give it that fulfillment. Otherwise, the intelligence apparatus and the rest will co-opt it, try to make it into a central bank digital currency. And then we get a social credit score that makes China's look like a walk in the park.

All right, we will get more into that after the break with Aaron Day. Again, entrepreneur, investor, advisor with three decades of experience across e-commerce, healthcare, blockchain, AI, clean technologies. He's a Duke and Harvard graduate. He is the author of The Final Countdown, Crypto, Gold, Silver, and People's Last Stand Against Tyranny by Central Bank Digital Currencies.

All right, we will get more into that after the break with Aaron Day. Again, entrepreneur, investor, advisor with three decades of experience across e-commerce, healthcare, blockchain, AI, clean technologies. He's a Duke and Harvard graduate. He is the author of The Final Countdown, Crypto, Gold, Silver, and People's Last Stand Against Tyranny by Central Bank Digital Currencies.