Ryan Graves

And then he goes.

And then he goes.

Do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs? Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years.

Do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs? Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years.

Non-human.

Non-human.

Thank you. Good to see you. Good to see you. The government knows what is happening. Look...

Thank you. Good to see you. Good to see you. The government knows what is happening. Look...

2003.

2003.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

Increased signal management, right? Not being able to be detected. We have very sophisticated radar systems on the eastern seaboard, including in New Jersey. So to have objects that are able to essentially evade those detection mechanisms and appear mysterious and disappear over the ocean or come from the ocean in a way that's untrackable should not be possible, right?

Increased signal management, right? Not being able to be detected. We have very sophisticated radar systems on the eastern seaboard, including in New Jersey. So to have objects that are able to essentially evade those detection mechanisms and appear mysterious and disappear over the ocean or come from the ocean in a way that's untrackable should not be possible, right?

um that's why we have these billion dollar systems so have we developed these capabilities and not just radar but infrared being able to block infrared and even being able to detect objects in their proximity and even turn their lights off right and of course these aren't magical technologies we can probably imagine a path there but

um that's why we have these billion dollar systems so have we developed these capabilities and not just radar but infrared being able to block infrared and even being able to detect objects in their proximity and even turn their lights off right and of course these aren't magical technologies we can probably imagine a path there but

It creates a lot of uncertainty about the origin of these objects and their intent, right? Are we trying to evade our own capabilities and cause a mass panic over our own country? Is this a foreign adversary that has had breakthroughs in these capabilities? Not just breakthroughs in these capabilities, but...

It creates a lot of uncertainty about the origin of these objects and their intent, right? Are we trying to evade our own capabilities and cause a mass panic over our own country? Is this a foreign adversary that has had breakthroughs in these capabilities? Not just breakthroughs in these capabilities, but...

You know, Iran and China and Russia, for them to be operating off the eastern seaboard, it's not a small task, right? To, like, load up a ship, have it be stealthy, and then launch all these drones without a point of origin. That's not a trivial problem for them, right? We're the only countries in the world that has a true global navy, and it would even be difficult for us to do.

You know, Iran and China and Russia, for them to be operating off the eastern seaboard, it's not a small task, right? To, like, load up a ship, have it be stealthy, and then launch all these drones without a point of origin. That's not a trivial problem for them, right? We're the only countries in the world that has a true global navy, and it would even be difficult for us to do.

Civilian drones, you know, I mean— Are there civilians operating these hundreds of drones without detection, without flaw, without failure, without crashing? Very, very strange that that would be the case as well. So, again, I can't – I look at all these different options and I can see a rationale to say, okay, some of these –

Civilian drones, you know, I mean— Are there civilians operating these hundreds of drones without detection, without flaw, without failure, without crashing? Very, very strange that that would be the case as well. So, again, I can't – I look at all these different options and I can see a rationale to say, okay, some of these –

are not exhibiting capabilities that make me think it came from somewhere else necessarily but all these all these kind of facts lined up one after another makes it really anomalous and quite the mystery still but again I think we can figure this out Joe like we can get the proper technology there we can go figure this out and if the government is not going to do it I will

are not exhibiting capabilities that make me think it came from somewhere else necessarily but all these all these kind of facts lined up one after another makes it really anomalous and quite the mystery still but again I think we can figure this out Joe like we can get the proper technology there we can go figure this out and if the government is not going to do it I will

I'm going to take RF receivers from counter drone technologies. I'm going to go out into these hot spots. We're going to be looking for the signals that they may be emitting. And then using mobile platforms, we'll be there to be able to detect the strength of the signals and we'll essentially follow them, see where they go.

I'm going to take RF receivers from counter drone technologies. I'm going to go out into these hot spots. We're going to be looking for the signals that they may be emitting. And then using mobile platforms, we'll be there to be able to detect the strength of the signals and we'll essentially follow them, see where they go.

And that might include, you know, operating an aircraft that might include a ship offshore that we can hand off this information to so they can track them when they go over the water. It's just a resource problem. It's not a technology problem.

And that might include, you know, operating an aircraft that might include a ship offshore that we can hand off this information to so they can track them when they go over the water. It's just a resource problem. It's not a technology problem.

There's a couple paths. One of them, it would have to be perhaps like a submarine-launched ship, right? And we have very good detection underwater, especially off our coast.

There's a couple paths. One of them, it would have to be perhaps like a submarine-launched ship, right? And we have very good detection underwater, especially off our coast.

We need to get Elon Musk to have a special UAP task force within the community.

We need to get Elon Musk to have a special UAP task force within the community.

Well, that's the thing, right? So especially car-sized drones, probably not too many. So we're talking about perhaps a different class of submarine or multiple submarines. They probably don't have the ability to recover these objects. Would it have to be a submarine or could it be a giant ship?

Well, that's the thing, right? So especially car-sized drones, probably not too many. So we're talking about perhaps a different class of submarine or multiple submarines. They probably don't have the ability to recover these objects. Would it have to be a submarine or could it be a giant ship?

I don't think we could have a giant ship off our coast without the Navy or other DoD assets knowing it's there.

I don't think we could have a giant ship off our coast without the Navy or other DoD assets knowing it's there.

That would be my hypothesis.

That would be my hypothesis.

Correct.

Correct.

I have reports from submarine operators of very fast objects under the water.

I have reports from submarine operators of very fast objects under the water.

USOs underwater or unidentified submerged objects. I mean, our water, our planet is mostly covered in water. Our sensing underwater is not as good as in the air. There's less traffic under there. It would be, you know, a logical place to set up shop.

USOs underwater or unidentified submerged objects. I mean, our water, our planet is mostly covered in water. Our sensing underwater is not as good as in the air. There's less traffic under there. It would be, you know, a logical place to set up shop.

Yeah, pretty small.

Yeah, pretty small.

Or move around, stay mobile.

Or move around, stay mobile.

They don't deny it anymore. I mean, within government, when they communicate, it's clear from the Pentagon to the executive branch to legislative branch that, yes, there are objects. We don't know what they are, and they seem to be exhibiting capabilities beyond the state of the art. I mean, we're at a point in the conversation where that seems to be pretty widely accepted at this point.

They don't deny it anymore. I mean, within government, when they communicate, it's clear from the Pentagon to the executive branch to legislative branch that, yes, there are objects. We don't know what they are, and they seem to be exhibiting capabilities beyond the state of the art. I mean, we're at a point in the conversation where that seems to be pretty widely accepted at this point.

That might be harder than the whole alien theory.

That might be harder than the whole alien theory.

Wouldn't we feel foolish?

Wouldn't we feel foolish?

So I hope you get a job.

So I hope you get a job.

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And they assured me that's not the case, that there is not a loose nuke or other type of weapon of mass destruction that these objects, whatever they are, are pursuing right now. Otherwise, they would be working in a skiff nonstop to make that go away, that problem go away.

And they assured me that's not the case, that there is not a loose nuke or other type of weapon of mass destruction that these objects, whatever they are, are pursuing right now. Otherwise, they would be working in a skiff nonstop to make that go away, that problem go away.

So there's some laws in this country that are a little bit antiquated when it comes to dealing with situations like this. So my understanding is right now these things are operating mostly in what's called Class G airspace, which is really low. It's away from airports. Not all, of course, right? They're over bases. They're over LaGuardia. Yeah. Yeah.

So there's some laws in this country that are a little bit antiquated when it comes to dealing with situations like this. So my understanding is right now these things are operating mostly in what's called Class G airspace, which is really low. It's away from airports. Not all, of course, right? They're over bases. They're over LaGuardia. Yeah. Yeah.

But here's, I think, where a lot of the trouble is coming in from. I think the government has to make the presumption at this point, based off the feedback from the DOD and others, that if this is not a foreign adversary, then we have to make the assumption that it's a U.S. citizen that's operating these. Because of that, they essentially need a warrant in order to wiretap these. What? Yeah.

But here's, I think, where a lot of the trouble is coming in from. I think the government has to make the presumption at this point, based off the feedback from the DOD and others, that if this is not a foreign adversary, then we have to make the assumption that it's a U.S. citizen that's operating these. Because of that, they essentially need a warrant in order to wiretap these. What? Yeah.

Even with the Patriot Act? That's the feedback I'm receiving. That's the legal limitation. Oh, come on.

Even with the Patriot Act? That's the feedback I'm receiving. That's the legal limitation. Oh, come on.

I don't buy that. Well, whether it's the reality situation or not, that's how they're proceeding. Right. And so to overcome that, you know, there's like 120 page report that needs to be filed all the way up to the deputy attorney general of the United States in order to even intercept these signals that they may or may not even be emitting to be able to determine where they're going.

I don't buy that. Well, whether it's the reality situation or not, that's how they're proceeding. Right. And so to overcome that, you know, there's like 120 page report that needs to be filed all the way up to the deputy attorney general of the United States in order to even intercept these signals that they may or may not even be emitting to be able to determine where they're going.

And so I think that's one part of what's like slowing down this whole investigation. On the other hand, for base commanders. They have limited authorities to protect their base, but when they do, they need to submit basically a request all the way up to the Secretary of Defense. So now you have this super politically charged situation with a lot of risk of objects flying over the U.S.

And so I think that's one part of what's like slowing down this whole investigation. On the other hand, for base commanders. They have limited authorities to protect their base, but when they do, they need to submit basically a request all the way up to the Secretary of Defense. So now you have this super politically charged situation with a lot of risk of objects flying over the U.S.

You know, that's part of why I have a high confidence level that this is not a response to a massive imminent, you know, weapons of mass destruction threat on the eastern seaboard. So I just want to try to dispel that rumor right now. I've seen a lot of talk of that online.

You know, that's part of why I have a high confidence level that this is not a response to a massive imminent, you know, weapons of mass destruction threat on the eastern seaboard. So I just want to try to dispel that rumor right now. I've seen a lot of talk of that online.

If they take action and shoot one of these down, even with the Secretary of Defense's permission, they're on the hook if that thing takes out a school bus or otherwise damages someone's property.

If they take action and shoot one of these down, even with the Secretary of Defense's permission, they're on the hook if that thing takes out a school bus or otherwise damages someone's property.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. So formerly trained aerospace engineer in college, joined the Navy immediately after with the hopes to go fly fighter jets for the Navy, was successful in doing that. And I flew the F-18 Super Hornet for 11 years and two deployments. primarily operating off of Virginia Beach. And pretty standard career until about 2013 or so when we started to – we came back from our deployment.

Yeah, absolutely. So formerly trained aerospace engineer in college, joined the Navy immediately after with the hopes to go fly fighter jets for the Navy, was successful in doing that. And I flew the F-18 Super Hornet for 11 years and two deployments. primarily operating off of Virginia Beach. And pretty standard career until about 2013 or so when we started to – we came back from our deployment.

We began to upgrade our radar systems. When that happened, we put in essentially a much more powerful radar into our jet. It took about eight months. So you'd have – you might fly with a – Newer radar in the morning, maybe an older radar at night.

We began to upgrade our radar systems. When that happened, we put in essentially a much more powerful radar into our jet. It took about eight months. So you'd have – you might fly with a – Newer radar in the morning, maybe an older radar at night.

And consistently, when we were flying with these newer radars, we were picking up a bunch of objects that were operating in our working area that we weren't seeing with the older radar. They were performing in strange ways. They would be stationary. They would be around 250 to 350 knots, kind of meandering around the area.

And consistently, when we were flying with these newer radars, we were picking up a bunch of objects that were operating in our working area that we weren't seeing with the older radar. They were performing in strange ways. They would be stationary. They would be around 250 to 350 knots, kind of meandering around the area.

not really working together per se but kind of clearly operating in the same vicinity as one another right so we weren't flying in formations necessarily and we'd even see these supersonic as well 1.1 1.2 mach typically heading east and we'd only see them over the water We originally thought they were radar errors, right? Some kind of software glitch.

not really working together per se but kind of clearly operating in the same vicinity as one another right so we weren't flying in formations necessarily and we'd even see these supersonic as well 1.1 1.2 mach typically heading east and we'd only see them over the water We originally thought they were radar errors, right? Some kind of software glitch.

And I don't, you know, although this is, you know, I think a dangerous and scary situation that's going on right now, at least from that particular angle, that's not the indications I'm receiving.

And I don't, you know, although this is, you know, I think a dangerous and scary situation that's going on right now, at least from that particular angle, that's not the indications I'm receiving.

But eventually we started to correlate these across other sensors, such as our IR FLIR system. Our missile systems would lock onto these. And we would try to fly up to them to see them physically with our eyeballs. And when we do that, we wouldn't see anything. We come within about 500 feet of these objects. All our sensors are pumped into our helmet, augmented reality style.

But eventually we started to correlate these across other sensors, such as our IR FLIR system. Our missile systems would lock onto these. And we would try to fly up to them to see them physically with our eyeballs. And when we do that, we wouldn't see anything. We come within about 500 feet of these objects. All our sensors are pumped into our helmet, augmented reality style.

And it would tell us exactly where to look and boom, we come right past this object and there'd be nothing there. We'd circle back around and then pick it back up on our sensors. It would be slightly displaced, but that was kind of status quo for a few weeks until we had a near miss with one of these objects right at the entrance to our working areas.

And it would tell us exactly where to look and boom, we come right past this object and there'd be nothing there. We'd circle back around and then pick it back up on our sensors. It would be slightly displaced, but that was kind of status quo for a few weeks until we had a near miss with one of these objects right at the entrance to our working areas.

The pilot came back, canceled the flight, had a look of shock on his face and described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere. And once that happened, we kind of had to come together as a squadron with the safety officer in our squadron and say, hey, you know, like, OK, what's going on? This has kind of been rumor and conjecture, but, you know, we almost had a near miss.

The pilot came back, canceled the flight, had a look of shock on his face and described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere. And once that happened, we kind of had to come together as a squadron with the safety officer in our squadron and say, hey, you know, like, OK, what's going on? This has kind of been rumor and conjecture, but, you know, we almost had a near miss.

You almost lost an aircraft. You know, let's gather as much information as we can. As it turned out, there are four other near misses that had occurred in the past month that pilots were too uncomfortable to even report. And that really kind of kicked off the seriousness of this issue for us.

You almost lost an aircraft. You know, let's gather as much information as we can. As it turned out, there are four other near misses that had occurred in the past month that pilots were too uncomfortable to even report. And that really kind of kicked off the seriousness of this issue for us.

And we started filing paperwork, safety reports, and hoping and expecting that this would get resolved in some way as the proper people, whoever that was, got these reports and they could mitigate it in some way. But that never happened, at least from our perspective. So we essentially treated them as safety issues. We would avoid them. We wouldn't fly close to them.

And we started filing paperwork, safety reports, and hoping and expecting that this would get resolved in some way as the proper people, whoever that was, got these reports and they could mitigate it in some way. But that never happened, at least from our perspective. So we essentially treated them as safety issues. We would avoid them. We wouldn't fly close to them.

And then in 2015, we left to go do what's called a pre-deployment workup cycle aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt. So we train like we play. You get the whole air wing there, 30 jets, 40 jets, and we're doing these very complex missions. And there were a lot of objects down there as well. They either followed us down there or they were already there.

And then in 2015, we left to go do what's called a pre-deployment workup cycle aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt. So we train like we play. You get the whole air wing there, 30 jets, 40 jets, and we're doing these very complex missions. And there were a lot of objects down there as well. They either followed us down there or they were already there.

A lot of visual sightings.

A lot of visual sightings.

Or solid spheres, some elongated spheres, kind of more tic-tac shape, if you will. And during that workup cycle, that's when we recorded what's now known as the Gimbal and GoFast video. And they almost had to shut that entire exercise down because there were multiple near misses while we were trying to do this. And this is a big deal.

Or solid spheres, some elongated spheres, kind of more tic-tac shape, if you will. And during that workup cycle, that's when we recorded what's now known as the Gimbal and GoFast video. And they almost had to shut that entire exercise down because there were multiple near misses while we were trying to do this. And this is a big deal.

If they cancel that training mission, that means the people that are deployed essentially have to be there longer. They have to wait longer. So there's a lot of downstream effects. So pretty big deal to even consider canceling a training mission. You know, our training mission like this. So, again, we, you know, we filed it up. We didn't know what else to do with it.

If they cancel that training mission, that means the people that are deployed essentially have to be there longer. They have to wait longer. So there's a lot of downstream effects. So pretty big deal to even consider canceling a training mission. You know, our training mission like this. So, again, we, you know, we filed it up. We didn't know what else to do with it.

And we went back to our training and left on deployment. In 2017, a New York Times article came out. I was now an instructor pilot in Mississippi and for the Navy still. And on the front page of New York Times, lo and behold, there are the video of the gimbal and the GoFast with the pilot's audio on there that we've heard now. And I'm like, holy shit, you know, this is still going on.

And we went back to our training and left on deployment. In 2017, a New York Times article came out. I was now an instructor pilot in Mississippi and for the Navy still. And on the front page of New York Times, lo and behold, there are the video of the gimbal and the GoFast with the pilot's audio on there that we've heard now. And I'm like, holy shit, you know, this is still going on.

Massive deja vu, as you might imagine. And I saw that as like a cry for help, essentially, that these videos now have been somewhat smuggled out. They're on the front page of New York Times.

Massive deja vu, as you might imagine. And I saw that as like a cry for help, essentially, that these videos now have been somewhat smuggled out. They're on the front page of New York Times.

They would be the people actively working it essentially. Right. So and they're not they're not working it right. So the government is holding back that secret from the direct resources within the government that are responsible for finding these systems or they're not working the issue because there's an issue there to work.

They would be the people actively working it essentially. Right. So and they're not they're not working it right. So the government is holding back that secret from the direct resources within the government that are responsible for finding these systems or they're not working the issue because there's an issue there to work.

My understanding is that work was done partially with Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon. So there was two videos that were attached, right? So when you record in the jet, it records two screens. Can we show those, Jamie? Show those videos. So it records these two screens, right? And the bottom screen is like a God's eye view with all your radar data. And the right one is your FLIR system.

My understanding is that work was done partially with Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon. So there was two videos that were attached, right? So when you record in the jet, it records two screens. Can we show those, Jamie? Show those videos. So it records these two screens, right? And the bottom screen is like a God's eye view with all your radar data. And the right one is your FLIR system.

And when you watch that in the briefing room after, they're stitched together like side by side. And that's what I saw and that's how I built my understanding of this situation.

And when you watch that in the briefing room after, they're stitched together like side by side. And that's what I saw and that's how I built my understanding of this situation.

Yeah, they weren't able to gain a lock in their air-to-air mode. So they actually had to degrade down to an air-to-surface mode, kind of a manual locking mode. And that's that box that you see.

Yeah, they weren't able to gain a lock in their air-to-air mode. So they actually had to degrade down to an air-to-surface mode, kind of a manual locking mode. And that's that box that you see.

The air-to-air mode should essentially be looking exactly where the radar is dropping them off and should automatically lock on it. But in the method that you're seeing here, the pilot's manually slewing the sensor. This is kind of like a last-ditch effort to get it. And he's, like, restarting it, and that's why the box keeps getting bigger. And it's getting smaller. It's not capturing it.

The air-to-air mode should essentially be looking exactly where the radar is dropping them off and should automatically lock on it. But in the method that you're seeing here, the pilot's manually slewing the sensor. This is kind of like a last-ditch effort to get it. And he's, like, restarting it, and that's why the box keeps getting bigger. And it's getting smaller. It's not capturing it.

We don't know. You know, one theory is that it's because it's relatively close to the ground and there's a lot of background, right, to confuse the sensor.

We don't know. You know, one theory is that it's because it's relatively close to the ground and there's a lot of background, right, to confuse the sensor.

It's somewhere around 10,000 feet or so. So it's really not that close. So it's really not a great explanation. But, yeah, you can see him try it there.

It's somewhere around 10,000 feet or so. So it's really not that close. So it's really not a great explanation. But, yeah, you can see him try it there.

I don't know if anyone has estimated a size, to be honest. From the pilot's perspective, they're not going to be able to make a real-time assessment of the size.

I don't know if anyone has estimated a size, to be honest. From the pilot's perspective, they're not going to be able to make a real-time assessment of the size.

Well, they're about five miles away or so.

Well, they're about five miles away or so.

Yeah, so you see the range 3.4 right there? That range is coming strictly from the AT FLIR sensor itself. It's not a very reliable indicator of the range. That's what the radar is for. So although it says about 3.5, 4.4 and then ticks down, it's probably a little bit further away than that.

Yeah, so you see the range 3.4 right there? That range is coming strictly from the AT FLIR sensor itself. It's not a very reliable indicator of the range. That's what the radar is for. So although it says about 3.5, 4.4 and then ticks down, it's probably a little bit further away than that.

Range.

Range.

is is that on there anywhere of how fast this thing is going so you have uh 170 v sub c right below the range uh and that's indicating uh our relative velocity and that's miles per hour or kilometers uh it should be knots so it's probably like 180 190 miles per hour no heat signature Well, there is a heat differential anyway. So right now we're in White Hut.

is is that on there anywhere of how fast this thing is going so you have uh 170 v sub c right below the range uh and that's indicating uh our relative velocity and that's miles per hour or kilometers uh it should be knots so it's probably like 180 190 miles per hour no heat signature Well, there is a heat differential anyway. So right now we're in White Hut.

So objects that are white are Hutter objects in the background.

So objects that are white are Hutter objects in the background.

So that's showing us that it's cooler than the surrounding environment for whatever reason.

So that's showing us that it's cooler than the surrounding environment for whatever reason.

Yeah. And just to be clear, the 170 doesn't represent its raw speed. This is the gimbal video, which is different.

Yeah. And just to be clear, the 170 doesn't represent its raw speed. This is the gimbal video, which is different.

This one's black hot. So this is showing us that it's hotter than the surrounding areas right now.

This one's black hot. So this is showing us that it's hotter than the surrounding areas right now.

No. I mean, we've seen thousands of aircraft like that.

No. I mean, we've seen thousands of aircraft like that.

Yeah, you would see the exhaust coming out of the back. You'd be able to see the skin of the aircraft itself. So the sensor is not great, but it's good enough where you can break out some pretty good detail on a jet. I mean, it looks like a jet.

Yeah, you would see the exhaust coming out of the back. You'd be able to see the skin of the aircraft itself. So the sensor is not great, but it's good enough where you can break out some pretty good detail on a jet. I mean, it looks like a jet.

So there are teams that respond to those types of potential emergencies, typically within the Department of Energy. Having, you know, potentially hundreds of drones flying around trying to identify these isn't necessarily the best way. Gamma radiation is typically well shielded in weapons.

So there are teams that respond to those types of potential emergencies, typically within the Department of Energy. Having, you know, potentially hundreds of drones flying around trying to identify these isn't necessarily the best way. Gamma radiation is typically well shielded in weapons.

On the bottom left, you see 242 knots. That's how fast the aircraft that is recording is going. The pilots do talk about how it's going 120 knots against the wind. And in my recollection, it was going at a relatively slow speed for a fighter aircraft, around 100 knots or so at those speeds from looking at the radar data itself.

On the bottom left, you see 242 knots. That's how fast the aircraft that is recording is going. The pilots do talk about how it's going 120 knots against the wind. And in my recollection, it was going at a relatively slow speed for a fighter aircraft, around 100 knots or so at those speeds from looking at the radar data itself.

You would assume that the sensors on the ships themselves, if they were looking there, would be able to detect these objects. But we're not really linked into those people that are doing that on the boat. The pilots essentially took this upon themselves to go investigate this. And they reported to Intel when they came back. And that's where I saw the tapes.

You would assume that the sensors on the ships themselves, if they were looking there, would be able to detect these objects. But we're not really linked into those people that are doing that on the boat. The pilots essentially took this upon themselves to go investigate this. And they reported to Intel when they came back. And that's where I saw the tapes.

And whether like the air traffic management guys on the boat themselves then took it upon themselves to go try to detect these objects, I don't have that information. I was never in that information stream. But presumably they would.

And whether like the air traffic management guys on the boat themselves then took it upon themselves to go try to detect these objects, I don't have that information. I was never in that information stream. But presumably they would.

No, not within the jet itself. We can share the data amongst jets. So if you were flying out there and the aircraft that recorded that video was getting that on the radar, that information would be getting sent to other jets in the area.

No, not within the jet itself. We can share the data amongst jets. So if you were flying out there and the aircraft that recorded that video was getting that on the radar, that information would be getting sent to other jets in the area.

There was a large training mission going on, and I'm not aware of anyone that was paying attention to those contacts that were, say, 50 miles away from where they were doing this fight. But it shouldn't have been just self-contained into the aircraft itself. And additionally, that information should have also been received by the ship itself, right?

There was a large training mission going on, and I'm not aware of anyone that was paying attention to those contacts that were, say, 50 miles away from where they were doing this fight. But it shouldn't have been just self-contained into the aircraft itself. And additionally, that information should have also been received by the ship itself, right?

They should have access to that same information that's being shared.

They should have access to that same information that's being shared.

We don't, as pilots, we don't really get into the satellite game, if you will. You know, it's kind of like a different level than how we operate. So it's feasible that a ship might call in other national assets to investigate. But we operate as like a self-contained expeditionary group. So I don't know if that's part of their protocol.

We don't, as pilots, we don't really get into the satellite game, if you will. You know, it's kind of like a different level than how we operate. So it's feasible that a ship might call in other national assets to investigate. But we operate as like a self-contained expeditionary group. So I don't know if that's part of their protocol.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Honestly, most people just kind of looked off into space.

Honestly, most people just kind of looked off into space.

Yeah, like, huh, that's interesting.

Yeah, like, huh, that's interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And at very high altitudes or even moderate altitudes, like we're seeing these objects, it would be pretty difficult to detect them. And the way that NIST DOE typically operates in this environment is ground-based teams searching for radiation itself. So it's not necessarily consistent with how they would do it to begin with.

And at very high altitudes or even moderate altitudes, like we're seeing these objects, it would be pretty difficult to detect them. And the way that NIST DOE typically operates in this environment is ground-based teams searching for radiation itself. So it's not necessarily consistent with how they would do it to begin with.

Only once. So when we had the gimbal captured, and just real quick, you know, the gimbal and the go fast happened within minutes of each other.

Only once. So when we had the gimbal captured, and just real quick, you know, the gimbal and the go fast happened within minutes of each other.

Yeah. The go fast, there was multiple objects in a line formation called line of breast. Right. How many? Flying side by side. Four. They were about a mile apart flying in formation, doing what they're doing. The pilots were looking at that, had a hard time locking it, and then...

Yeah. The go fast, there was multiple objects in a line formation called line of breast. Right. How many? Flying side by side. Four. They were about a mile apart flying in formation, doing what they're doing. The pilots were looking at that, had a hard time locking it, and then...

they kind of brought their attention up to this other object that's basically co-altitude with them, and that's the gimbal video. And behind the gimbal, there was what they referred to as a fleet of objects, about four to six objects that were flying in a formation, like a tight formation, all within about a mile and a half of each other, like a V formation.

they kind of brought their attention up to this other object that's basically co-altitude with them, and that's the gimbal video. And behind the gimbal, there was what they referred to as a fleet of objects, about four to six objects that were flying in a formation, like a tight formation, all within about a mile and a half of each other, like a V formation.

And so they come, they turn, they get all discombobulated, and then they flow back out into a clean formation, making a 180-degree turn, And then the gimbal object, which we see start to rotate, that's the moment it actually changes direction. So it's proceeding behind this formation. It turns. The gimbal does its kind of maneuver, and then it starts trailing in the opposite direction.

And so they come, they turn, they get all discombobulated, and then they flow back out into a clean formation, making a 180-degree turn, And then the gimbal object, which we see start to rotate, that's the moment it actually changes direction. So it's proceeding behind this formation. It turns. The gimbal does its kind of maneuver, and then it starts trailing in the opposite direction.

So you've got, you know, maybe 10, 12 objects that are out there operating in this area east of the ship. We're already 300 miles out there. And so where do they come from? You know, what are they doing? Are they assessing our fight? Are they enemy combatants?

So you've got, you know, maybe 10, 12 objects that are out there operating in this area east of the ship. We're already 300 miles out there. And so where do they come from? You know, what are they doing? Are they assessing our fight? Are they enemy combatants?

You know, for me, this is the conversation that I've been trying to have for almost 10 years now about the seriousness of having these unknown objects in our airspace. It's a security risk, whether they come from little green men or whether they come from our adversaries or if they just remain unknown.

You know, for me, this is the conversation that I've been trying to have for almost 10 years now about the seriousness of having these unknown objects in our airspace. It's a security risk, whether they come from little green men or whether they come from our adversaries or if they just remain unknown.

And that's kind of the state we're living in right now with what's happening over in New Jersey and elsewhere. We're having this massive uncertainty about what these objects are. There's a lot of rumors. It's causing fear and panic. And once again, the Biden administration and the Pentagon are unwilling to have a conversation with the American people and share what information they have.

And that's kind of the state we're living in right now with what's happening over in New Jersey and elsewhere. We're having this massive uncertainty about what these objects are. There's a lot of rumors. It's causing fear and panic. And once again, the Biden administration and the Pentagon are unwilling to have a conversation with the American people and share what information they have.

The biggest probability is they don't know. Right. If this is something that, you know, they've been struggling with for all these years and suddenly it's happening in a much larger capacity than it has in the past, they're not easily able to write it off and they just don't have the answers.

The biggest probability is they don't know. Right. If this is something that, you know, they've been struggling with for all these years and suddenly it's happening in a much larger capacity than it has in the past, they're not easily able to write it off and they just don't have the answers.

Or perhaps they do have the answers, but they fall under a category of information, much like these objects, that they're not willing to have a public conversation about it.

Or perhaps they do have the answers, but they fall under a category of information, much like these objects, that they're not willing to have a public conversation about it.

I don't know.

I don't know.

And then based off of that other information, that's what leads me to believe that's not the case.

And then based off of that other information, that's what leads me to believe that's not the case.

New York, D.C. I mean, there's a lot of big cities right there.

New York, D.C. I mean, there's a lot of big cities right there.

I think a lot of people were.

I think a lot of people were.

And, you know, the faux firework displays that these things put on are just one part of the puzzle, right? Because warfare is changing. It's changing drastically. And this is, you know, something I've tried to raise the alarm bells on before the Ukraine war, but we're seeing it now.

And, you know, the faux firework displays that these things put on are just one part of the puzzle, right? Because warfare is changing. It's changing drastically. And this is, you know, something I've tried to raise the alarm bells on before the Ukraine war, but we're seeing it now.

Warfare is going to these highly mobile, nontraditional platforms where you can have a group of guys that are basically teenagers now going out and conducting operations with these small drones. And God forbid that an adversarial nation is now employing those technologies here anymore.

Warfare is going to these highly mobile, nontraditional platforms where you can have a group of guys that are basically teenagers now going out and conducting operations with these small drones. And God forbid that an adversarial nation is now employing those technologies here anymore.

in the United States, and if it was Russia, if it was China, and they were doing it directly, that'd be the equivalent of a declaration of war. I mean, they're essentially invading our land, right? Is there, you know, some avenue where they might be hiring criminal gangs in some way to do this in order to create a level of deniability for them.

in the United States, and if it was Russia, if it was China, and they were doing it directly, that'd be the equivalent of a declaration of war. I mean, they're essentially invading our land, right? Is there, you know, some avenue where they might be hiring criminal gangs in some way to do this in order to create a level of deniability for them.

I don't know, but I'm certain that China and other nations are watching this unfold very carefully and detecting the gaps in our homeland defense systems. I mean, this is a major issue. War is changing. And there are a lot of companies that

I don't know, but I'm certain that China and other nations are watching this unfold very carefully and detecting the gaps in our homeland defense systems. I mean, this is a major issue. War is changing. And there are a lot of companies that

um you know within the private sector and of course within you know the normal you know defense contractor world that is building capabilities to be able to detect and mitigate drones whether it's kinetically or through electronic warfare but we're not employing those and oh by the way the electronic warfare measures that have been employed employed against the new jersey drones have been ineffective so they have tried to take these out with non-kinetic options

um you know within the private sector and of course within you know the normal you know defense contractor world that is building capabilities to be able to detect and mitigate drones whether it's kinetically or through electronic warfare but we're not employing those and oh by the way the electronic warfare measures that have been employed employed against the new jersey drones have been ineffective so they have tried to take these out with non-kinetic options

disabling their navigational systems, otherwise trying to fry them, bring them down, has not been effective.

disabling their navigational systems, otherwise trying to fry them, bring them down, has not been effective.

No.

No.

Yeah, so there's a lot of good questions there. Let me back up by starting with the fact that this started about two years ago at least.

Yeah, so there's a lot of good questions there. Let me back up by starting with the fact that this started about two years ago at least.

A little bit like this. Really?

A little bit like this. Really?

Yeah, I'm sure they're sitting there.

Yeah, I'm sure they're sitting there.

Not in this volume. That's the differentiator right there. So Langley Air Force Base, you might be familiar with the fact that they had drone incursions of an unknown type, unknown origin last year. Right. That happened during about a two and a half, three week period right before Christmas. Right where we are now. That also happened the year before over Langley.

Not in this volume. That's the differentiator right there. So Langley Air Force Base, you might be familiar with the fact that they had drone incursions of an unknown type, unknown origin last year. Right. That happened during about a two and a half, three week period right before Christmas. Right where we are now. That also happened the year before over Langley.

That's the answer.

That's the answer.

Now I know you're being sneaky.

Now I know you're being sneaky.

Well, I mean, watching that video, no, I think there's a few pieces that are still outstanding, connections that are outstanding for me. A supposed U.S. citizen physically touched a nuclear weapon that was then lost, and he knew exactly where it was going somehow.

Well, I mean, watching that video, no, I think there's a few pieces that are still outstanding, connections that are outstanding for me. A supposed U.S. citizen physically touched a nuclear weapon that was then lost, and he knew exactly where it was going somehow.

Why was he touching it was why would you touch it was he amongst enemies and they were carting the weapon off?

Why was he touching it was why would you touch it was he amongst enemies and they were carting the weapon off?

He just got his fingers on it or even like doing an x-ray And then the jump is that that weapon eventually ended up somewhere on the eastern seaboard and the people that would be responsible for investigating such an issue or not even aware of it even while somehow our government is flying a

He just got his fingers on it or even like doing an x-ray And then the jump is that that weapon eventually ended up somewhere on the eastern seaboard and the people that would be responsible for investigating such an issue or not even aware of it even while somehow our government is flying a

hundreds of drones around to detect it so it's compelling it's interesting but i don't know if it connects i think there's a few connections short of being able to say that's exactly what's going on here especially after the conversations i've had yeah my other thought on that would be if you are a military contractor and you design and implement drone systems

hundreds of drones around to detect it so it's compelling it's interesting but i don't know if it connects i think there's a few connections short of being able to say that's exactly what's going on here especially after the conversations i've had yeah my other thought on that would be if you are a military contractor and you design and implement drone systems

Yeah, very little. It would be very specific to his actual responsibilities, his engineering work.

Yeah, very little. It would be very specific to his actual responsibilities, his engineering work.

And he seems nervous. Well, he should be. He may truly believe that. Spilling the beans.

And he seems nervous. Well, he should be. He may truly believe that. Spilling the beans.

What's on the plate then after weapons of mass destruction?

What's on the plate then after weapons of mass destruction?

Unknown objects operating over the base. They couldn't tell where they were going. They were unprepared for them. Same period of time, two, three weeks before Christmas. This is year three. And they were expecting them to come again for the third year in a row over Langley. And there was some effort put forward to be able to better understand these when they came back.

Unknown objects operating over the base. They couldn't tell where they were going. They were unprepared for them. Same period of time, two, three weeks before Christmas. This is year three. And they were expecting them to come again for the third year in a row over Langley. And there was some effort put forward to be able to better understand these when they came back.

Looking for parts.

Looking for parts.

All runs on an ECU. My understanding is that this is something China's been looking forward to. So what I mean by that is that they have not just been working on this technology in order to break our encryption now.

All runs on an ECU. My understanding is that this is something China's been looking forward to. So what I mean by that is that they have not just been working on this technology in order to break our encryption now.

but have been storing our encrypted data from in the past such that when they do have that breakthrough, they have a lot of data to be able to utilize it on, not just what's happening now.

but have been storing our encrypted data from in the past such that when they do have that breakthrough, they have a lot of data to be able to utilize it on, not just what's happening now.

And they did come back, but they came back in a much wider swath. Now we have them all over New Jersey, all the way up to Massachusetts. And it's hard to tell exactly with the quality of the reporting right now because it seems to be, you know, the bigger the story gets, the more people are just looking up and seeing anything and pointing it out.

And they did come back, but they came back in a much wider swath. Now we have them all over New Jersey, all the way up to Massachusetts. And it's hard to tell exactly with the quality of the reporting right now because it seems to be, you know, the bigger the story gets, the more people are just looking up and seeing anything and pointing it out.

I think they typically refer to that as a man-in-the-middle attack. So you think you're connecting to the regular Wi-Fi, but you're actually connecting to the adversary's Wi-Fi, sending your data through there, and then they send that to the original box that you thought you were communicating with. And so they get all the information.

I think they typically refer to that as a man-in-the-middle attack. So you think you're connecting to the regular Wi-Fi, but you're actually connecting to the adversary's Wi-Fi, sending your data through there, and then they send that to the original box that you thought you were communicating with. And so they get all the information.

Exactly.

Exactly.

That's how they try to crack the Tor network as well.

That's how they try to crack the Tor network as well.

If you're familiar with that, yeah, by setting up their own servers essentially to serve as a man-in-the-middle attack. But back to your point about China trying to work on quantum computing, on AI, I think China is probably one of the biggest motivating factors that the government has right now for opening up the conversation on UAP. Yeah.

If you're familiar with that, yeah, by setting up their own servers essentially to serve as a man-in-the-middle attack. But back to your point about China trying to work on quantum computing, on AI, I think China is probably one of the biggest motivating factors that the government has right now for opening up the conversation on UAP. Yeah.

So we haven't had this peer threat that we have to worry about that has a totally different investment government structure than we have. So in the United States, we have this capitalist market and we have innovations that break out through that model like open AI. But there are some capabilities where they are not appetizing to the market itself.

So we haven't had this peer threat that we have to worry about that has a totally different investment government structure than we have. So in the United States, we have this capitalist market and we have innovations that break out through that model like open AI. But there are some capabilities where they are not appetizing to the market itself.

For example, how do we just suddenly stand up a chip fabrication facility in the United States that competes with the operations in Taiwan? It's not something that a VC is going to invest in. It's going to take billions and billions of dollars.

For example, how do we just suddenly stand up a chip fabrication facility in the United States that competes with the operations in Taiwan? It's not something that a VC is going to invest in. It's going to take billions and billions of dollars.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Exactly. Well, they did that because the government took a new approach. They stepped in and said, we're going to financially support this. We're going to open up the piggy banks. We're going to help with regulations and laws, and we're going to make this happen as soon as practically possible. That's the model that China uses all the time.

Exactly. Well, they did that because the government took a new approach. They stepped in and said, we're going to financially support this. We're going to open up the piggy banks. We're going to help with regulations and laws, and we're going to make this happen as soon as practically possible. That's the model that China uses all the time.

They see something, they go for it, they invest the money, they invest the resources. There's a risk with that. You could be wrong about the efficacy of the technology that you're trying to put forward. It could be strategically misaligned.

They see something, they go for it, they invest the money, they invest the resources. There's a risk with that. You could be wrong about the efficacy of the technology that you're trying to put forward. It could be strategically misaligned.

But if China is having the same issues with the UAP that we are having, then you could imagine them putting a lot of resources into better understanding that situation in a way that we're just not equipped to do. And the fact that they this conversation has grown more, that their advancements have been getting better. I think there is this pressure right now within the U.S.

But if China is having the same issues with the UAP that we are having, then you could imagine them putting a lot of resources into better understanding that situation in a way that we're just not equipped to do. And the fact that they this conversation has grown more, that their advancements have been getting better. I think there is this pressure right now within the U.S.

But, you know, there are reports from Texas to Florida to California, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania. I mean, it's not just New Jersey itself, it seems. And even the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base was shut down for a drone incursion just this last Friday, a couple of days ago. So this isn't just a one-off event. It is in the sense that it's so large and so many people are paying attention to it.

But, you know, there are reports from Texas to Florida to California, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania. I mean, it's not just New Jersey itself, it seems. And even the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base was shut down for a drone incursion just this last Friday, a couple of days ago. So this isn't just a one-off event. It is in the sense that it's so large and so many people are paying attention to it.

government that if we do not further invest, somehow bring in, you know, the primary innovation makers within our economy, within the startup community, within the scientific community into this problem. If it's still just buried in a classified area, then we're going to get out competed by China that is able to dump all these resources into it.

government that if we do not further invest, somehow bring in, you know, the primary innovation makers within our economy, within the startup community, within the scientific community into this problem. If it's still just buried in a classified area, then we're going to get out competed by China that is able to dump all these resources into it.

Yeah, I think it can. I mean, we have a model for that United States with deep technology and edge technology. You know, these are capabilities that don't fit into a normal VC's lifecycle of five or six years before you're seeing returns. It might take 10 years before you have a product. Right. And there's a lot of risk that they could fail along the way.

Yeah, I think it can. I mean, we have a model for that United States with deep technology and edge technology. You know, these are capabilities that don't fit into a normal VC's lifecycle of five or six years before you're seeing returns. It might take 10 years before you have a product. Right. And there's a lot of risk that they could fail along the way.

But that's where we get a lot of our major innovations from. That's where we see very exotic technology being worked on, like advanced propulsion, communication systems.

But that's where we get a lot of our major innovations from. That's where we see very exotic technology being worked on, like advanced propulsion, communication systems.

Energy production and every one of these has huge potential added value to our economy. I mean, to the level that AI has, right? So, you know, there's a couple ways you can go about it. You know, you can either create a new investment cycle or structure that is more tolerant to the risk and more tolerant to extended time to returns, which, you know, you've got to fight market forces with that.

Energy production and every one of these has huge potential added value to our economy. I mean, to the level that AI has, right? So, you know, there's a couple ways you can go about it. You know, you can either create a new investment cycle or structure that is more tolerant to the risk and more tolerant to extended time to returns, which, you know, you've got to fight market forces with that.

You could have the government step in, perhaps through the Office of Strategic Capital and others, to be able to support venture capitalists that are looking to make investments in these longer-term technologies, perhaps in concert with the National Science Foundation that does a lot of work in this area.

You could have the government step in, perhaps through the Office of Strategic Capital and others, to be able to support venture capitalists that are looking to make investments in these longer-term technologies, perhaps in concert with the National Science Foundation that does a lot of work in this area.

Or you can try to structure your technologies such that they provide value to existing capabilities during the research and development process. So what I mean by that, and I've been working this problem for 10 years, Joe. Sounds like it. I've thrown my entire self into this. I've approached it with my nonprofit, American for Safe Aerospace. I've been working in the private sector.

Or you can try to structure your technologies such that they provide value to existing capabilities during the research and development process. So what I mean by that, and I've been working this problem for 10 years, Joe. Sounds like it. I've thrown my entire self into this. I've approached it with my nonprofit, American for Safe Aerospace. I've been working in the private sector.

I've been collaborating with government and others. And there is a path where the capabilities to better understand this topic are aligned with our defensive needs, right? If we had total situational awareness of our airspace, that's a very valuable thing to the Department of Defense. And those are contracts you can win. Those are reasonable investments you can make through normal market forces.

I've been collaborating with government and others. And there is a path where the capabilities to better understand this topic are aligned with our defensive needs, right? If we had total situational awareness of our airspace, that's a very valuable thing to the Department of Defense. And those are contracts you can win. Those are reasonable investments you can make through normal market forces.

And then you keep working to be able to – use those existing products in those markets to bring out technology that is related to the UAP topic, whether that be detection, perhaps repulsion, energy, things of that nature. So you have to find these core technologies that the government wants that is also aligned with the better understanding of UAP.

And then you keep working to be able to – use those existing products in those markets to bring out technology that is related to the UAP topic, whether that be detection, perhaps repulsion, energy, things of that nature. So you have to find these core technologies that the government wants that is also aligned with the better understanding of UAP.

But this has been occurring for at least three years around military bases. And that's nothing to say with the incidents that we were seeing over the eastern seaboard and other training ranges that fighter pilots were seeing as they were doing their operations. So

But this has been occurring for at least three years around military bases. And that's nothing to say with the incidents that we were seeing over the eastern seaboard and other training ranges that fighter pilots were seeing as they were doing their operations. So

Well, it's an unknown how far China is. You know, there's there are some some rumors and I'm not even going to mention them because they're too low confidence. But there does seem to be investment that's been made. There are talk that they are having the same problems and perhaps have been better motivated than we are to investigate ones that they have been able to recover.

Well, it's an unknown how far China is. You know, there's there are some some rumors and I'm not even going to mention them because they're too low confidence. But there does seem to be investment that's been made. There are talk that they are having the same problems and perhaps have been better motivated than we are to investigate ones that they have been able to recover.

Ning Li?

Ning Li?

It's interesting. I was mentioning this out front with some of the guys earlier. There seems to be these interesting technologies that were once ridiculed back in the day, whether it be anti-gravity, cold fusion, others.

It's interesting. I was mentioning this out front with some of the guys earlier. There seems to be these interesting technologies that were once ridiculed back in the day, whether it be anti-gravity, cold fusion, others.

Yeah, I'm very familiar with that strategy. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm very familiar with that strategy. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And they all just went dark for like 30, 40 years. But some of those capabilities seem to be popping back up in mainstream scientific circles.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And they all just went dark for like 30, 40 years. But some of those capabilities seem to be popping back up in mainstream scientific circles.

Mark Anderson had the same conversation with the White House, right? Talking about classifying AI technology in math and that they've done it before.

Mark Anderson had the same conversation with the White House, right? Talking about classifying AI technology in math and that they've done it before.

I'm a little hesitant to link it to the full story that we've been having here, this full conversation, but at least for three years this has been occurring. So, you know, kind of getting back to your question, you know, why can't we do more about it? It's a hard problem, I think, for a number of reasons. It's hard, but it's very solvable, right? I think this can be solved. We can solve it.

I'm a little hesitant to link it to the full story that we've been having here, this full conversation, but at least for three years this has been occurring. So, you know, kind of getting back to your question, you know, why can't we do more about it? It's a hard problem, I think, for a number of reasons. It's hard, but it's very solvable, right? I think this can be solved. We can solve it.

We can figure this out, Joe. Like I said, it's a hard problem, but it's not an unsolvable problem. There are technologies that we could go out in the field within a couple weeks, employ, see if we can find the RF signals, and try to trace them back. We don't have to rely on the government for this. Let's do it. Well, how would we do it? Well, come join American Safe Aerospace.

We can figure this out, Joe. Like I said, it's a hard problem, but it's not an unsolvable problem. There are technologies that we could go out in the field within a couple weeks, employ, see if we can find the RF signals, and try to trace them back. We don't have to rely on the government for this. Let's do it. Well, how would we do it? Well, come join American Safe Aerospace.

What do I have to do? Come to my website, safeaerospace.org. We'll go out there.

What do I have to do? Come to my website, safeaerospace.org. We'll go out there.

We're almost the largest UAP organization in the world right now.

We're almost the largest UAP organization in the world right now.

And when I talk to people in Congress and the executive branch, I point to them and say, hey, 13,588 people care about this issue. This allows us to be able to go in there and talk seriously about this conversation.

And when I talk to people in Congress and the executive branch, I point to them and say, hey, 13,588 people care about this issue. This allows us to be able to go in there and talk seriously about this conversation.

We could get us to the largest UAP organization in the world right now in this show, Joe.

We could get us to the largest UAP organization in the world right now in this show, Joe.

We've been working with drone operators.

We've been working with drone operators.

Well, you know, it's not too bad, honestly. Really? You occasionally get, you know, your people that are questionable sometimes.

Well, you know, it's not too bad, honestly. Really? You occasionally get, you know, your people that are questionable sometimes.

It's pretty easy. We focus on commercial aviators, military aviators, veterans. We receive reports from the random person on the ground. But what's really interesting, because of the work we've been doing, so many pilots have felt more comfortable reporting. Every major airline is seeing this. I've talked with pilots from every major airline.

It's pretty easy. We focus on commercial aviators, military aviators, veterans. We receive reports from the random person on the ground. But what's really interesting, because of the work we've been doing, so many pilots have felt more comfortable reporting. Every major airline is seeing this. I've talked with pilots from every major airline.

Some of them are standing up their own UAP working groups within their airlines to be able to report on this. I'm working closely with them on this. But what's interesting is we get these reports from pilots, and we can often then see similarities or even perhaps the exact same object that's being reported by people on the ground.

Some of them are standing up their own UAP working groups within their airlines to be able to report on this. I'm working closely with them on this. But what's interesting is we get these reports from pilots, and we can often then see similarities or even perhaps the exact same object that's being reported by people on the ground.

So one particular example over Atlanta Airport a few years ago, there was a relatively large object, brightly lit, about 8,000 feet over Atlanta. Four or five commercial airliners called it in. ATC didn't know what it was. The object started to accelerate level due south and then to what I call like conventional speeds as fast as an airliner and then took off much faster, continuing due south.

So one particular example over Atlanta Airport a few years ago, there was a relatively large object, brightly lit, about 8,000 feet over Atlanta. Four or five commercial airliners called it in. ATC didn't know what it was. The object started to accelerate level due south and then to what I call like conventional speeds as fast as an airliner and then took off much faster, continuing due south.

Yeah. Let's address that first. So there has been a lot going on. I made an ex-post about this yesterday to try to assuage some fears. I saw it, but I purposely didn't read it because I wanted to get it from you. Yeah. So, you know, I've had the privilege of interacting with a lot of government organizations over the past few years as I've been digging down this rabbit hole.

Yeah. Let's address that first. So there has been a lot going on. I made an ex-post about this yesterday to try to assuage some fears. I saw it, but I purposely didn't read it because I wanted to get it from you. Yeah. So, you know, I've had the privilege of interacting with a lot of government organizations over the past few years as I've been digging down this rabbit hole.

And all these pilots witnessed it. We received those reports, and then the next day we received a report from a random lady in Florida that happened to be basically due south from Atlanta. She took a picture of the exact same object. Do we have access to that photo? I do. Can we see it? I don't have it. What do you mean you don't have it?

And all these pilots witnessed it. We received those reports, and then the next day we received a report from a random lady in Florida that happened to be basically due south from Atlanta. She took a picture of the exact same object. Do we have access to that photo? I do. Can we see it? I don't have it. What do you mean you don't have it?

But right now, kind of the word on the street is that – These objects appear to be coming from over the ocean. There's senior congressmen, there's Coast Guard personnel, there's law enforcement. They're seeing a large number of these come from somewhere over the ocean.

But right now, kind of the word on the street is that – These objects appear to be coming from over the ocean. There's senior congressmen, there's Coast Guard personnel, there's law enforcement. They're seeing a large number of these come from somewhere over the ocean.

But, you know, getting back in the Wi-Fi, we can we can like we can figure this out, Joe. Like I talk with engineer scientists, CEOs at drone companies, counter drone companies like we can bring the capabilities. We could be out there in two weeks detecting and tracking these objects.

But, you know, getting back in the Wi-Fi, we can we can like we can figure this out, Joe. Like I talk with engineer scientists, CEOs at drone companies, counter drone companies like we can bring the capabilities. We could be out there in two weeks detecting and tracking these objects.

I don't know if that means necessarily they're popping out of the water physically or if they're coming from some unknown location in the water and then proceeding over the coast. I don't know how that relates to Ohio. That's a pretty long trip if they are coming over the ocean.

I don't know if that means necessarily they're popping out of the water physically or if they're coming from some unknown location in the water and then proceeding over the coast. I don't know how that relates to Ohio. That's a pretty long trip if they are coming over the ocean.

And from the videos I've seen and the conversation I've had, they are detecting these objects through kind of normal mechanisms like radar systems, optical camera systems. They are flying very low. In some cases, they seem to be operating as a group.

And from the videos I've seen and the conversation I've had, they are detecting these objects through kind of normal mechanisms like radar systems, optical camera systems. They are flying very low. In some cases, they seem to be operating as a group.

Well, some politicians just as soon as yesterday, Chuck Schumer, Robert Garcia in the House, they've started to kind of use the whole drone and or UAP in their messaging, right? They've started to change their language. Did you get that photo, Jesse? Jamie. Or Jamie, sorry. Pull it up, young Jesse. I sent it to the wrong guy. Maybe that's why.

Well, some politicians just as soon as yesterday, Chuck Schumer, Robert Garcia in the House, they've started to kind of use the whole drone and or UAP in their messaging, right? They've started to change their language. Did you get that photo, Jesse? Jamie. Or Jamie, sorry. Pull it up, young Jesse. I sent it to the wrong guy. Maybe that's why.

Yeah, it says it's waiting. Is it the Jamie MacBook Pro?

Yeah, it says it's waiting. Is it the Jamie MacBook Pro?

um in the vicinity of each other flying past each other flying very up close to each other and then proceeding to do whatever they are that they're doing it's an unknown right now if they are emitting energy or not so you know like radio communications or their own maybe active sensor systems it's unknown i've poked on that front and the best i can tell the government doesn't know either that seems so weird that they don't know that

um in the vicinity of each other flying past each other flying very up close to each other and then proceeding to do whatever they are that they're doing it's an unknown right now if they are emitting energy or not so you know like radio communications or their own maybe active sensor systems it's unknown i've poked on that front and the best i can tell the government doesn't know either that seems so weird that they don't know that

I've seen this movie, I swear.

I've seen this movie, I swear.

We have AI, we have quantum, we have mysterious objects showing up on the coast. It does seem like a lot of things are converging right now.

We have AI, we have quantum, we have mysterious objects showing up on the coast. It does seem like a lot of things are converging right now.

That's a great question. I mean at this point I'm comfortable making a guess of probably over 800 or 1,000. Whoa. And how many of those are sightings of the same object? How many of those are individual objects? How many of those are unique objects? So it's tough to say, but this isn't just a few objects that people are seeing.

That's a great question. I mean at this point I'm comfortable making a guess of probably over 800 or 1,000. Whoa. And how many of those are sightings of the same object? How many of those are individual objects? How many of those are unique objects? So it's tough to say, but this isn't just a few objects that people are seeing.

Well, outside of us nuking ourselves, what do you think that the Trump administration, oncoming Trump administration should do about the UAP topic? Have you thought about that?

Well, outside of us nuking ourselves, what do you think that the Trump administration, oncoming Trump administration should do about the UAP topic? Have you thought about that?

And so I can imagine some technologies that will allow traditional UAVs or drones to operate without emitting. So they could have a self-contained navigational system. Maybe they have their own onboard maps and they're using cameras to map where they are.

And so I can imagine some technologies that will allow traditional UAVs or drones to operate without emitting. So they could have a self-contained navigational system. Maybe they have their own onboard maps and they're using cameras to map where they are.

It's the equivalent of multiple nuclear bombs going off and energy expenditure.

It's the equivalent of multiple nuclear bombs going off and energy expenditure.

You know, I think there's two conversations that kind of go on in this topic, right? And I think they both help each other out. So there's—and you've been talking about it right now. They don't have the right to keep these essential pieces of knowledge from us about our universe, right? And I see that as the conversation around disclosure, right? What does the government know?

You know, I think there's two conversations that kind of go on in this topic, right? And I think they both help each other out. So there's—and you've been talking about it right now. They don't have the right to keep these essential pieces of knowledge from us about our universe, right? And I see that as the conversation around disclosure, right? What does the government know?

What are they going to reveal to us? And we can integrate it into our knowledge. But I think there's an as important side of the conversation— called discovery, if you will, right? But what can we learn in the public sphere outside of the classification window that allows us to understand what's going on outside of the reins of control of the government itself?

What are they going to reveal to us? And we can integrate it into our knowledge. But I think there's an as important side of the conversation— called discovery, if you will, right? But what can we learn in the public sphere outside of the classification window that allows us to understand what's going on outside of the reins of control of the government itself?

And I feel like they're mutually supportive, right? The more disclosure and conversation there is within government, the more that people are motivated on the outside to investigate this and research it and invest into it. And the more that that work is done is it pressures the disclosure side of the conversation to keep up with the conversation and share with it.

And I feel like they're mutually supportive, right? The more disclosure and conversation there is within government, the more that people are motivated on the outside to investigate this and research it and invest into it. And the more that that work is done is it pressures the disclosure side of the conversation to keep up with the conversation and share with it.

Now, I don't know if we're going to get to a point of full disclosure like you just talked about without increased pressure on the discovery side, on the public side, because I think they would be content to keep that information quiet.

Now, I don't know if we're going to get to a point of full disclosure like you just talked about without increased pressure on the discovery side, on the public side, because I think they would be content to keep that information quiet.

Yeah, no internet, really, to speak of, even back then.

Yeah, no internet, really, to speak of, even back then.

It's just like a jet, right? I mean, fighter jets, they used to... barrel around out there looking for objects, looking for targets, but we're able to integrate and update all the technology that allows us to interact with the world. It's not put right into our brain yet, although they are working on that.

It's just like a jet, right? I mean, fighter jets, they used to... barrel around out there looking for objects, looking for targets, but we're able to integrate and update all the technology that allows us to interact with the world. It's not put right into our brain yet, although they are working on that.

Might as well be your body at that point.

Might as well be your body at that point.

We talked about China a little bit and some theoretical ways they might be investing in these deeper technologies. But I've spoken with people that are intimately involved in deep technology at the National Science Foundations and others. And what brought them into this conversation and realized that we were falling behind on these capabilities because they attended an international consortium.

We talked about China a little bit and some theoretical ways they might be investing in these deeper technologies. But I've spoken with people that are intimately involved in deep technology at the National Science Foundations and others. And what brought them into this conversation and realized that we were falling behind on these capabilities because they attended an international consortium.

with, believe it or not, there were several members from China there, and they very specifically were asking for collaboration in some of these very deep technologies. So, you know, we talked about how, you know, gravity manipulation, right, kind of went dark for a while. Well, they call it something slightly different now, and it's something that China and others are actively researching.

with, believe it or not, there were several members from China there, and they very specifically were asking for collaboration in some of these very deep technologies. So, you know, we talked about how, you know, gravity manipulation, right, kind of went dark for a while. Well, they call it something slightly different now, and it's something that China and others are actively researching.

They call it extended electrodynamics. Same thing with

They call it extended electrodynamics. Same thing with

Yeah, so extended electrodynamics, electrodynamics essentially is a series of equations that we utilize to understand the electromagnetic spectrum. But there's like a large portion of those equations that we kind of just throw out because we don't utilize them in our normal engineering and scientific work. So they're there, they're part of the equation, but we really don't know how to use them yet.

Yeah, so extended electrodynamics, electrodynamics essentially is a series of equations that we utilize to understand the electromagnetic spectrum. But there's like a large portion of those equations that we kind of just throw out because we don't utilize them in our normal engineering and scientific work. So they're there, they're part of the equation, but we really don't know how to use them yet.

And people are starting to think that by integrating the full understanding of electrodynamics to extended electrodynamics that there are gravitational effects that pop out that we can utilize for technology.

And people are starting to think that by integrating the full understanding of electrodynamics to extended electrodynamics that there are gravitational effects that pop out that we can utilize for technology.

And they're actively researching that and actively asking for collaboration on that from China. Same thing with cold fusion.

And they're actively researching that and actively asking for collaboration on that from China. Same thing with cold fusion.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I might not know it as full as you do, but there have been a number of instances within the United States where people have been trying to do work to manipulate gravity through large concentrations of energy, electromagnetic effects, things of that nature. And very recently, I forget the year, I don't know if you have that information, Jamie, but...

Well, I might not know it as full as you do, but there have been a number of instances within the United States where people have been trying to do work to manipulate gravity through large concentrations of energy, electromagnetic effects, things of that nature. And very recently, I forget the year, I don't know if you have that information, Jamie, but...

I think it was 2013 or around that timeframe where she had kind of a breakout paper, which she was claiming was utilizing some older techniques and she was able to modify the mass of an object, essentially the force of gravity upon it. My understanding is that paper went out and then she essentially disappeared for a number of months, like a year or two. Yeah.

I think it was 2013 or around that timeframe where she had kind of a breakout paper, which she was claiming was utilizing some older techniques and she was able to modify the mass of an object, essentially the force of gravity upon it. My understanding is that paper went out and then she essentially disappeared for a number of months, like a year or two. Yeah.

Yeah. And last I heard that she was potentially either still missing or there was some evidence that she might have gone to China.

Yeah. And last I heard that she was potentially either still missing or there was some evidence that she might have gone to China.

Did she come back and die?

Did she come back and die?

She did die.

She did die.

Working in the vault somewhere.

Working in the vault somewhere.

I was waiting for him to be like, yes. Well, there's another tech too, cold fusion, right? Another 50, 60 topic that was ridiculed and went away. Well, it's also now the talk of certain fusion communities. Instead, they call it low energy nuclear reactions. Right.

I was waiting for him to be like, yes. Well, there's another tech too, cold fusion, right? Another 50, 60 topic that was ridiculed and went away. Well, it's also now the talk of certain fusion communities. Instead, they call it low energy nuclear reactions. Right.

Instead of having a large fission or fusion reaction where a lot of heat and radiation comes out, you can do it slowly and incrementally. And it releases a lot of a lot of energy, but it doesn't have accompanying radiation or super high levels of like random heat that comes out. And that's now something that very serious scientists within the fusion community are studying.

Instead of having a large fission or fusion reaction where a lot of heat and radiation comes out, you can do it slowly and incrementally. And it releases a lot of a lot of energy, but it doesn't have accompanying radiation or super high levels of like random heat that comes out. And that's now something that very serious scientists within the fusion community are studying.

And another technology that the China representative at that conference was asking for collaboration on. So are we investing in this? Is this work that we're doing in a dark lab? Because the open source community doesn't have the resources to be able to invest in this.

And another technology that the China representative at that conference was asking for collaboration on. So are we investing in this? Is this work that we're doing in a dark lab? Because the open source community doesn't have the resources to be able to invest in this.

Well, here's the thing. If we're the sole superpower in the world, then I think it makes sense for us to hold that information back and develop it on our pace because we're not worried about competitors that are going to catch up to us and potentially leapfrog us.

Well, here's the thing. If we're the sole superpower in the world, then I think it makes sense for us to hold that information back and develop it on our pace because we're not worried about competitors that are going to catch up to us and potentially leapfrog us.

But when we're operating in a world where we have near peer or peer adversaries, such as China, that do have the ability to potentially work on the same technology, that's where the model breaks down a bit, right? Because if we're artificially slowing our progress in order to maintain the secrecy,

But when we're operating in a world where we have near peer or peer adversaries, such as China, that do have the ability to potentially work on the same technology, that's where the model breaks down a bit, right? Because if we're artificially slowing our progress in order to maintain the secrecy,

and someone is catching up to us, our only real solution to that point is to activate the millions of super smart and motivated people in our country to start pushing ourselves ahead, lest we get leapfrogged by countries that can do that through their own private investments, such as China.

and someone is catching up to us, our only real solution to that point is to activate the millions of super smart and motivated people in our country to start pushing ourselves ahead, lest we get leapfrogged by countries that can do that through their own private investments, such as China.

And maybe that's what's been happening for the past 20, 30 years after the Cold War.

And maybe that's what's been happening for the past 20, 30 years after the Cold War.

Yeah, I've met him once.

Yeah, I've met him once.

I mean... It's the type of story that, you know, you only have your own beliefs to go off of because, you know. Because it's so crazy. It's so crazy. And it's, you know, it's one of those stories where it's basically impossible to validate it. So, you know, like a lot of the stories I hear, you know, I often don't have all this evidence that I can work from.

I mean... It's the type of story that, you know, you only have your own beliefs to go off of because, you know. Because it's so crazy. It's so crazy. And it's, you know, it's one of those stories where it's basically impossible to validate it. So, you know, like a lot of the stories I hear, you know, I often don't have all this evidence that I can work from.

So, you know, I throw it in the database in my head and I look for comparisons, right? Just like the gimbal video and how it maneuvers. Like, well, that's interesting. That kind of lines up. It doesn't totally validate the story, but that's kind of how I approach this topic. I'm not there to immediately judge whether it's true or not true. It's just kind of additional information I can use.

So, you know, I throw it in the database in my head and I look for comparisons, right? Just like the gimbal video and how it maneuvers. Like, well, that's interesting. That kind of lines up. It doesn't totally validate the story, but that's kind of how I approach this topic. I'm not there to immediately judge whether it's true or not true. It's just kind of additional information I can use.

Just like that photo I sent you, right? That's just some random lady in her backyard. But as it turns out, multiple pilots and commercial airliners saw the same thing.

Just like that photo I sent you, right? That's just some random lady in her backyard. But as it turns out, multiple pilots and commercial airliners saw the same thing.

Yep. It was completely stationary and accelerated to the speed of a plane and then went way faster than that. And what year was this again? I think it was 22. Wow.

Yep. It was completely stationary and accelerated to the speed of a plane and then went way faster than that. And what year was this again? I think it was 22. Wow.

That's actually a picture from the pilot in the cockpit.

That's actually a picture from the pilot in the cockpit.

Yeah. I have the one from the lady, too.

Yeah. I have the one from the lady, too.

Yeah. That's why, you know, with these cases in New Jersey, what's most compelling for me are these, like, they're not the images themselves, but it's these elected officials, you know, law enforcement officers and others that are, like, very flabbergasted at what they saw, right? They're not just like, well, yeah, there's something, but, I mean, they're pissed off.

Yeah. That's why, you know, with these cases in New Jersey, what's most compelling for me are these, like, they're not the images themselves, but it's these elected officials, you know, law enforcement officers and others that are, like, very flabbergasted at what they saw, right? They're not just like, well, yeah, there's something, but, I mean, they're pissed off.

They're very confident what they were seeing was not normal. They're having a hard time putting words to it and having a proper photo, but... As you can tell now, I think it's not easy to just put your iPhone up in the sky and grab a photo of something that's far away, right? They're not designed for that.

They're very confident what they were seeing was not normal. They're having a hard time putting words to it and having a proper photo, but... As you can tell now, I think it's not easy to just put your iPhone up in the sky and grab a photo of something that's far away, right? They're not designed for that.

There's so much AI on phones that interact with your photo before you even see it. It's hard to even tell what you're looking at.

There's so much AI on phones that interact with your photo before you even see it. It's hard to even tell what you're looking at.

Law enforcement at a federal level, DOD, executive branch, legislative branch, and some of the folks that I've come in contact with, they specifically work on weapons of mass destruction. So that's their job. So if there's a loose nuke in the United States –

Law enforcement at a federal level, DOD, executive branch, legislative branch, and some of the folks that I've come in contact with, they specifically work on weapons of mass destruction. So that's their job. So if there's a loose nuke in the United States –

Well, let me tell you, I think, what needs to happen here to be able to better understand the situation. And I think this applies for New Jersey, but it also applies for the much broader kind of UAP conversation as well. So, you know, I told you about discovery. I told you about disclosure.

Well, let me tell you, I think, what needs to happen here to be able to better understand the situation. And I think this applies for New Jersey, but it also applies for the much broader kind of UAP conversation as well. So, you know, I told you about discovery. I told you about disclosure.

You know, I think we can only motivate the government so much by just knocking on the door and asking for information. There needs to be a public, unclassified scientific investigation into this from the perspective of trying to attack it as a scientific anomaly, right? Instead of trying to attack it from a request from the government to release new information.

You know, I think we can only motivate the government so much by just knocking on the door and asking for information. There needs to be a public, unclassified scientific investigation into this from the perspective of trying to attack it as a scientific anomaly, right? Instead of trying to attack it from a request from the government to release new information.

So, I mean, I think this should be a national priority, frankly. We need to have very senior people within the White House that care about this topic, that are leading the charge, perhaps at the Office of Science and Technology Policy, somewhere at that level that can lead this conversation and start to employ different organizations in a public, unclassified manner.

So, I mean, I think this should be a national priority, frankly. We need to have very senior people within the White House that care about this topic, that are leading the charge, perhaps at the Office of Science and Technology Policy, somewhere at that level that can lead this conversation and start to employ different organizations in a public, unclassified manner.

such as Department of Energy, such as the FBI and other reporting sources, so that we can be able to gather this information, investigate it, and then form theories about how we can detect it, whether that be through NEXRAD data in the United States, whether that be through weather satellites, other large data sets that we can use to detect these disturbances.

such as Department of Energy, such as the FBI and other reporting sources, so that we can be able to gather this information, investigate it, and then form theories about how we can detect it, whether that be through NEXRAD data in the United States, whether that be through weather satellites, other large data sets that we can use to detect these disturbances.

and work with the Department of Energy to be able to put forward scientific ideas and then utilize their compute resources to be able to process and churn through all this data and see what pops out on the other side. And I think that we can bring in organizations such as the National Science Foundation or National Science Council. We can bring in National Science Foundation, excuse me.

and work with the Department of Energy to be able to put forward scientific ideas and then utilize their compute resources to be able to process and churn through all this data and see what pops out on the other side. And I think that we can bring in organizations such as the National Science Foundation or National Science Council. We can bring in National Science Foundation, excuse me.

We can bring in offices such as the Office of Strategic Capital and start to actually support the public interest in this conversation by having people that now can access these large data sets and these large compute to be able to run experiments, to bring forward new data sets and technologies, and have this be like a true national effort at a high level.

We can bring in offices such as the Office of Strategic Capital and start to actually support the public interest in this conversation by having people that now can access these large data sets and these large compute to be able to run experiments, to bring forward new data sets and technologies, and have this be like a true national effort at a high level.

I don't think that the current structure of the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office within the Pentagon serving as a whole of government – point, is going to be effective, especially considering that they are technically charged with investigating potential crimes of the Pentagon itself, right? Conflict of interest there. So this needs to be raised to a much higher level.

I don't think that the current structure of the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office within the Pentagon serving as a whole of government – point, is going to be effective, especially considering that they are technically charged with investigating potential crimes of the Pentagon itself, right? Conflict of interest there. So this needs to be raised to a much higher level.

And we have the resources in the United States to truly study this. And I think by doing that, we could then potentially confirm what is being discovered through this unclassified method with classified censors, but leave it so that it's repeatable And unclassified so that the scientific and academic community can see the results of that and work off of it.

And we have the resources in the United States to truly study this. And I think by doing that, we could then potentially confirm what is being discovered through this unclassified method with classified censors, but leave it so that it's repeatable And unclassified so that the scientific and academic community can see the results of that and work off of it.

There could be another way to approach it. So one thing, especially at the last hearings we've heard, is that there needs to be stronger whistleblower protection laws, right? Maybe you've heard that. I've updated my thinking on that. I've done a lot of research on whistleblower protection laws in the United States. And it's actually quite interesting.

There could be another way to approach it. So one thing, especially at the last hearings we've heard, is that there needs to be stronger whistleblower protection laws, right? Maybe you've heard that. I've updated my thinking on that. I've done a lot of research on whistleblower protection laws in the United States. And it's actually quite interesting.

You know, we've had whistleblowers from the executive branch whistleblow to the legislative branch in the past. We had the church committee. We've had thousands of people that have come forward and shared classified information with Congress outside the bounds of the executive order that allows for the creation of classified information. None of them have been ever prosecuted.

You know, we've had whistleblowers from the executive branch whistleblow to the legislative branch in the past. We had the church committee. We've had thousands of people that have come forward and shared classified information with Congress outside the bounds of the executive order that allows for the creation of classified information. None of them have been ever prosecuted.

Now, they may have faced ramifications such as a loss of security clearance. They may have lost their job. Those are real risks. I don't want to downplay them. But the way the system is currently set up, there's an executive order that allows for the creation of classified information. You have the National Security Act that was created in Congress and signed by the president.

Now, they may have faced ramifications such as a loss of security clearance. They may have lost their job. Those are real risks. I don't want to downplay them. But the way the system is currently set up, there's an executive order that allows for the creation of classified information. You have the National Security Act that was created in Congress and signed by the president.

And these are the two laws that essentially allow for the creation of that type of information. So when a whistleblower goes to Congress and shares that information, the Congress people are just as susceptible and vulnerable perhaps to having classified information that they're not privy to. So they're in legal jeopardy in a sense.

And these are the two laws that essentially allow for the creation of that type of information. So when a whistleblower goes to Congress and shares that information, the Congress people are just as susceptible and vulnerable perhaps to having classified information that they're not privy to. So they're in legal jeopardy in a sense.

For there to be prosecutions in Congress or from the whistleblowers themselves, the Supreme Court would have to step in and adjudicate that ruling between that executive order and and the National Security Act. And that's never happened. They don't want to step in on that legislation.

For there to be prosecutions in Congress or from the whistleblowers themselves, the Supreme Court would have to step in and adjudicate that ruling between that executive order and and the National Security Act. And that's never happened. They don't want to step in on that legislation.

And they've had, you know, I don't know how many years, but decades and opportunities to do so, but they choose not to. So we're in this kind of stalemate where by action, by inaction, whistleblowers have this unspoken protection, if you will, to come in and share that information, lest the Supreme Court step in and change their precedent for the

And they've had, you know, I don't know how many years, but decades and opportunities to do so, but they choose not to. So we're in this kind of stalemate where by action, by inaction, whistleblowers have this unspoken protection, if you will, to come in and share that information, lest the Supreme Court step in and change their precedent for the

So there's no reason that any of these potentially susceptible whistleblowers that do fear legal ramifications for those activities couldn't come into Congress, set up a very quiet meeting, share what they have with these Congress people, and allow them to then run with that information clearly away from any personal identification from that whistleblower. That's the world we live in now.

So there's no reason that any of these potentially susceptible whistleblowers that do fear legal ramifications for those activities couldn't come into Congress, set up a very quiet meeting, share what they have with these Congress people, and allow them to then run with that information clearly away from any personal identification from that whistleblower. That's the world we live in now.

We don't have whistleblowers doing that, and I think some of the messaging has been inaccurate claiming that we need to have stronger whistleblower protection laws because that's probably not going to happen. I don't think Trump wants stronger whistleblower protections. I don't think he wants to enable people that would be calling out actions of the executive branch to Congress strengthened.

We don't have whistleblowers doing that, and I think some of the messaging has been inaccurate claiming that we need to have stronger whistleblower protection laws because that's probably not going to happen. I don't think Trump wants stronger whistleblower protections. I don't think he wants to enable people that would be calling out actions of the executive branch to Congress strengthened.

That's not necessarily aligned with some of the activities that happened with Colonel Vindman and the Ukraine incident where they essentially utilize those whistleblower laws to share information with Congress about what they perceived as wrongdoings. So I don't see those laws getting stronger.

That's not necessarily aligned with some of the activities that happened with Colonel Vindman and the Ukraine incident where they essentially utilize those whistleblower laws to share information with Congress about what they perceived as wrongdoings. So I don't see those laws getting stronger.

But we're in this kind of weird false dichotomy right now where people are asking for them and not willing to come forward. But ultimately, I think we just need someone to step up to the plate and come forward to Congress with this information to be able to move the conversation forward on the disclosure side.

But we're in this kind of weird false dichotomy right now where people are asking for them and not willing to come forward. But ultimately, I think we just need someone to step up to the plate and come forward to Congress with this information to be able to move the conversation forward on the disclosure side.

In like the broader conversation or specifically New Jersey?

In like the broader conversation or specifically New Jersey?

It's clear to me based off of all my research and connections and conversations, a couple things. One, people are absolutely seeing things that seem to be exhibiting capabilities beyond the state of the art. Like boom, end of conversation right there.

It's clear to me based off of all my research and connections and conversations, a couple things. One, people are absolutely seeing things that seem to be exhibiting capabilities beyond the state of the art. Like boom, end of conversation right there.

Exactly. And then, you know, what is their task, right? Is it just to instill panic and fear? Is it because they're sensing something? And if they are sensing something, they would have to be using what's called passive sensors, right? So like a camera system is passive, but if you're shooting a radar out and having it bounce off of something, that's active, right?

Exactly. And then, you know, what is their task, right? Is it just to instill panic and fear? Is it because they're sensing something? And if they are sensing something, they would have to be using what's called passive sensors, right? So like a camera system is passive, but if you're shooting a radar out and having it bounce off of something, that's active, right?

That's an interesting one. Multiple witnesses seeing capabilities of craft operating in flight regimes that we don't have the technology to do. So that's step one. Step two is I've been a lot like a blind man touching an elephant. You know, I don't know necessarily it's an elephant yet, but I'm feeling a tail, feeling a trunk, feeling the foot.

That's an interesting one. Multiple witnesses seeing capabilities of craft operating in flight regimes that we don't have the technology to do. So that's step one. Step two is I've been a lot like a blind man touching an elephant. You know, I don't know necessarily it's an elephant yet, but I'm feeling a tail, feeling a trunk, feeling the foot.

And what that elephant represents is the government's classified work on this topic. I've butted up against it through people that have been actively engaged in programs that are investigating this in ways that are not public. So I know that there is something there behind the scenes. I don't know how deep it goes.

And what that elephant represents is the government's classified work on this topic. I've butted up against it through people that have been actively engaged in programs that are investigating this in ways that are not public. So I know that there is something there behind the scenes. I don't know how deep it goes.

I don't know specifically the type of like the total amount of work that's being done. But it's very clear to me that there are boundaries that I've touched and others have touched that represent that work.

I don't know specifically the type of like the total amount of work that's being done. But it's very clear to me that there are boundaries that I've touched and others have touched that represent that work.

so it would make sense it would be a line that the government would be very interested in this technology and i think it's you know i think it's time that we've we put the proper protocols and processes in place so that the public can discover this information we have the technology joe like this it's not that we don't have the technology i mean i'm personally working on space situational awareness sensors that we can put in space in order to maintain custody of these objects

so it would make sense it would be a line that the government would be very interested in this technology and i think it's you know i think it's time that we've we put the proper protocols and processes in place so that the public can discover this information we have the technology joe like this it's not that we don't have the technology i mean i'm personally working on space situational awareness sensors that we can put in space in order to maintain custody of these objects

I think that there was probably a presidential order at some point in the past that is likely still in effect. And, you know, unless another president is fully read in and countermans that order, then it's business as usual.

I think that there was probably a presidential order at some point in the past that is likely still in effect. And, you know, unless another president is fully read in and countermans that order, then it's business as usual.

And perhaps that's one of the reasons they don't tell presidents a lot of information on this is because they want to maintain the effect of authority, keep it in play so that another president doesn't countermand it.

And perhaps that's one of the reasons they don't tell presidents a lot of information on this is because they want to maintain the effect of authority, keep it in play so that another president doesn't countermand it.

And we might have integrated some of these capabilities into some of our technology that we might look out the window and see, right? But deep in the bowels of the system, you know, there might be capabilities that were discovered or motivated through the investigation of these objects, right? So I could see why I agree with you 100%, right?

And we might have integrated some of these capabilities into some of our technology that we might look out the window and see, right? But deep in the bowels of the system, you know, there might be capabilities that were discovered or motivated through the investigation of these objects, right? So I could see why I agree with you 100%, right?

And I don't believe that 100% of the information should come out. You know, I mean, I've worked in secured information. I've worked in the military. I understand the need for these capabilities. But the core information that we're not alone in the universe, potentially, there's no government on Earth that has a right to hold that information.

And I don't believe that 100% of the information should come out. You know, I mean, I've worked in secured information. I've worked in the military. I understand the need for these capabilities. But the core information that we're not alone in the universe, potentially, there's no government on Earth that has a right to hold that information.

And that's easier to detect than a passive system. So I could imagine a fully self-contained autonomous drone system that is doing something potentially with passive sensors that allows it to operate without emissions, which is going to make it harder to track.

And that's easier to detect than a passive system. So I could imagine a fully self-contained autonomous drone system that is doing something potentially with passive sensors that allows it to operate without emissions, which is going to make it harder to track.

Think about how that would motivate us as a populace to have this carrot on a stick out to say, here's here's how we access the rest of the galaxy.

Think about how that would motivate us as a populace to have this carrot on a stick out to say, here's here's how we access the rest of the galaxy.

Right. Imagine what that would do to our technological innovation. How many millions of kids right now would go to school in order to be engineers and scientists to be able to work on this? It would completely change the world.

Right. Imagine what that would do to our technological innovation. How many millions of kids right now would go to school in order to be engineers and scientists to be able to work on this? It would completely change the world.

Maybe we'd have less Facebook apps and things of that nature and AI wrappers, but we would be working on deep, important technology that's going to unlock the rest of the universe to us.

Maybe we'd have less Facebook apps and things of that nature and AI wrappers, but we would be working on deep, important technology that's going to unlock the rest of the universe to us.

Well, maybe we'd be better prepared.

Well, maybe we'd be better prepared.

It's like we're in a phase where our technological development is outpacing our social and moral development.

It's like we're in a phase where our technological development is outpacing our social and moral development.

It must be a hell of a time to come watch us, right?

It must be a hell of a time to come watch us, right?

Do you hit a wall? Do they just, quote unquote, know everything, right? Right. And then maybe that's what allows their moral compass and their biology to catch up?

Do you hit a wall? Do they just, quote unquote, know everything, right? Right. And then maybe that's what allows their moral compass and their biology to catch up?

able to detect whatever they're looking for at night yeah depends what they're looking for but ultimately there is tech there's electro-optical systems there's infrared camera systems not unlike the jets that are the systems that we had on my jet but we were able to detect these objects with infrared when we were flying off the eastern seaboard there are a number of reports from law enforcement that their infrared systems are not able to pick these objects up and

able to detect whatever they're looking for at night yeah depends what they're looking for but ultimately there is tech there's electro-optical systems there's infrared camera systems not unlike the jets that are the systems that we had on my jet but we were able to detect these objects with infrared when we were flying off the eastern seaboard there are a number of reports from law enforcement that their infrared systems are not able to pick these objects up and

That's something I thought about, you know, when you talk about biological creatures in these crafts. Yeah. You know, it could be that those are not things that traveled here from far away and are just kind of hanging out, right? Like, that might have just been... They're here all the time.

That's something I thought about, you know, when you talk about biological creatures in these crafts. Yeah. You know, it could be that those are not things that traveled here from far away and are just kind of hanging out, right? Like, that might have just been... They're here all the time.

They might have created these objects, even the biological substrates, if you will, here, using local materials and put them together because perhaps biological... creatures are more appropriate for the type of interactions they need to do instead of a fixed machine, right? Oh, wow.

They might have created these objects, even the biological substrates, if you will, here, using local materials and put them together because perhaps biological... creatures are more appropriate for the type of interactions they need to do instead of a fixed machine, right? Oh, wow.

And that's just from scratch. I mean, they could beam over, you know, DNA sequences and fabricate them here.

And that's just from scratch. I mean, they could beam over, you know, DNA sequences and fabricate them here.

We're fucked. We're fucked.

We're fucked. We're fucked.

Yeah. The only thing that would change my mind on that is if they truly have some kind of faster and light travel that allowed them to transport, you know, physical objects from extreme distances to nearby. Because then the cost of sending that information is irrelevant because they can just send things over. So I could see both sides of it, but it's something interesting to think about.

Yeah. The only thing that would change my mind on that is if they truly have some kind of faster and light travel that allowed them to transport, you know, physical objects from extreme distances to nearby. Because then the cost of sending that information is irrelevant because they can just send things over. So I could see both sides of it, but it's something interesting to think about.

Imagine the science and technology fields that a full understanding of this conversation would open up. I mean it would open up fields of knowledge that we can only imagine right now. We only see in sci-fi movies.

Imagine the science and technology fields that a full understanding of this conversation would open up. I mean it would open up fields of knowledge that we can only imagine right now. We only see in sci-fi movies.

And not just this year, but also the incidents over Langley last year, the pilots that respond to that incident, I've spoken to them. They weren't able to lock these up with their infrared systems either. So they do seem to be exhibiting some type of signature management.

And not just this year, but also the incidents over Langley last year, the pilots that respond to that incident, I've spoken to them. They weren't able to lock these up with their infrared systems either. So they do seem to be exhibiting some type of signature management.

One thing I like to think about is, you know, their planet, you know, we're making a lot of assumptions here, but their planet might be designed a different way, right? Like their atmosphere might have significantly less oxygen. It could be much thicker. And so they might have bypassed this whole period where they had rocket propulsions and gas shooting out the back.

One thing I like to think about is, you know, their planet, you know, we're making a lot of assumptions here, but their planet might be designed a different way, right? Like their atmosphere might have significantly less oxygen. It could be much thicker. And so they might have bypassed this whole period where they had rocket propulsions and gas shooting out the back.

And so they might have taken them longer to get to space, but maybe they did so with a much more developed technology, right? So then they apply that technology, they come over here, and now they're in a regime that perhaps they were unexpecting.

And so they might have taken them longer to get to space, but maybe they did so with a much more developed technology, right? So then they apply that technology, they come over here, and now they're in a regime that perhaps they were unexpecting.

There's gravity disturbances, there's more oxygen in the air, there's different things that perhaps they either weren't expecting or just was different than their home environment. And then, oh, by the way, there's these stupid apes that are shining stuff at us that are launching nuclear weapons and actually knocking us out of the sky. There's electromagnetic interference.

There's gravity disturbances, there's more oxygen in the air, there's different things that perhaps they either weren't expecting or just was different than their home environment. And then, oh, by the way, there's these stupid apes that are shining stuff at us that are launching nuclear weapons and actually knocking us out of the sky. There's electromagnetic interference.

So I could see a logic there that shows that we make the assumption that if they're here, they're gods, right? They can do anything. Maybe that's not the right way to think about it.

So I could see a logic there that shows that we make the assumption that if they're here, they're gods, right? They can do anything. Maybe that's not the right way to think about it.

I love the work that Graham Hancock has been doing. And I see it as almost like a parallel conversation than the one we're having. I mean, there's something here. A lot of people can go out and look at it. I mean, sure, I've never been in the pyramids. But, you know, the information is there if you're willing to go look at it.

I love the work that Graham Hancock has been doing. And I see it as almost like a parallel conversation than the one we're having. I mean, there's something here. A lot of people can go out and look at it. I mean, sure, I've never been in the pyramids. But, you know, the information is there if you're willing to go look at it.

And there's this massive stigma within the academic community to say, no, no, that's not right. Because they're in this zero-sum game. They're all trying to win the next contract and grant, and they just want to stay right within the line of what's acceptable.

And there's this massive stigma within the academic community to say, no, no, that's not right. Because they're in this zero-sum game. They're all trying to win the next contract and grant, and they just want to stay right within the line of what's acceptable.

And he's bringing forward very interesting points about a time period that I think we all understand now is a lot less understood than we thought.

And he's bringing forward very interesting points about a time period that I think we all understand now is a lot less understood than we thought.

Maybe their planet has super strong electromagnetic fields, right? And so they can leverage that in a way we can't.

Maybe their planet has super strong electromagnetic fields, right? And so they can leverage that in a way we can't.

Yeah, and that goes to some very base physics, right? We create heat whenever we have stored energy and we utilize it. So to be able to... To mitigate that to such a degree that you can't even detect them at all, you know, it's pretty tough. I mean, I can imagine you can reduce your signature.

Yeah, and that goes to some very base physics, right? We create heat whenever we have stored energy and we utilize it. So to be able to... To mitigate that to such a degree that you can't even detect them at all, you know, it's pretty tough. I mean, I can imagine you can reduce your signature.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Get a picture of that, please. What would their technology look like?

Get a picture of that, please. What would their technology look like?

Among other agencies, they would be some of the people that would be sitting in a skiff for 24 hours a day trying to figure out where it is and to go get it. So you can imagine that would be their number one priority. So I engage with these folks. I ask them, what's the sense here? People are kind of starting to panic a little bit, and this message is getting out there more and more broadly.

Among other agencies, they would be some of the people that would be sitting in a skiff for 24 hours a day trying to figure out where it is and to go get it. So you can imagine that would be their number one priority. So I engage with these folks. I ask them, what's the sense here? People are kind of starting to panic a little bit, and this message is getting out there more and more broadly.

That's why I don't own a squid or an octopus. Because if I saw that in the middle of the night, it would freak me the fuck out.

That's why I don't own a squid or an octopus. Because if I saw that in the middle of the night, it would freak me the fuck out.

I learned a pretty interesting little tidbit here. You know, I mean, the octopus, apparently its DNA is not like anything else on this planet. But apparently the Hawaiians have an ancient tradition that octopus basically came from the sky. Isn't that interesting?

I learned a pretty interesting little tidbit here. You know, I mean, the octopus, apparently its DNA is not like anything else on this planet. But apparently the Hawaiians have an ancient tradition that octopus basically came from the sky. Isn't that interesting?

Yeah. I mean if you look back at like the evolution of humans to monkeys to fish and then multicellular organisms and the introduction of the mitochondria, smaller simple single-celled organisms. there's a very linear path of evolution. And very early on, there's a massive jump where we went from extremely simple bits and pieces to essentially this big jump in complexity for these small systems.

Yeah. I mean if you look back at like the evolution of humans to monkeys to fish and then multicellular organisms and the introduction of the mitochondria, smaller simple single-celled organisms. there's a very linear path of evolution. And very early on, there's a massive jump where we went from extremely simple bits and pieces to essentially this big jump in complexity for these small systems.

And there's a theory out there that that jump occurred due to seeding from elsewhere, right? That perhaps the whole path is linear. And it occurred over time, perhaps, and they think the time period is like several billion years, right, for the evolution from these components to get to essentially a single-celled organism.

And there's a theory out there that that jump occurred due to seeding from elsewhere, right? That perhaps the whole path is linear. And it occurred over time, perhaps, and they think the time period is like several billion years, right, for the evolution from these components to get to essentially a single-celled organism.

We do it in fighter jets, right, through kind of just like baffles where we cover the engine essentially to make it harder to see. But to have zero ability to detect or lock onto these objects is not a technology I'm familiar with.

We do it in fighter jets, right, through kind of just like baffles where we cover the engine essentially to make it harder to see. But to have zero ability to detect or lock onto these objects is not a technology I'm familiar with.

That these components evolved independently in space, perhaps feeding off of gamma radiation or other gamma energy or other energies that are out in space. And so that evolutionary process did take billions of years. It just didn't occur on a particular planet.

That these components evolved independently in space, perhaps feeding off of gamma radiation or other gamma energy or other energies that are out in space. And so that evolutionary process did take billions of years. It just didn't occur on a particular planet.

And then over time, as meteorites hit the Earth, then we see this uptake in complexity because of the arrival and then the further evolution of the biological, you know, chain that led to us. And, you know, it's pretty interesting, you know, kind of tied to that theory is that, you know, the Big Bang happened and things, you know, gradually cooled down.

And then over time, as meteorites hit the Earth, then we see this uptake in complexity because of the arrival and then the further evolution of the biological, you know, chain that led to us. And, you know, it's pretty interesting, you know, kind of tied to that theory is that, you know, the Big Bang happened and things, you know, gradually cooled down.

I mean, there was a point where, and I think the number is like 500,000 years, where the the universe was essentially room temperature, right? Like everywhere in the universe had like a distribution of temperature that was equivalent to what we're sitting in right now before it continued to cool off and get weird.

I mean, there was a point where, and I think the number is like 500,000 years, where the the universe was essentially room temperature, right? Like everywhere in the universe had like a distribution of temperature that was equivalent to what we're sitting in right now before it continued to cool off and get weird.

So there could have been these opportunities in the universal process that allowed for the development of lifelike components that eventually went out to seed the universe, which would be a really interesting concept because it would lead us to believe that this probably happened in multiple places and not just here.

So there could have been these opportunities in the universal process that allowed for the development of lifelike components that eventually went out to seed the universe, which would be a really interesting concept because it would lead us to believe that this probably happened in multiple places and not just here.

That's why we have water here. I mean, we didn't just organically create water on this planet. It came from asteroids and other debris.

That's why we have water here. I mean, we didn't just organically create water on this planet. It came from asteroids and other debris.

Trillion dollar industry.

Trillion dollar industry.

Wasn't it? Well, I think they were trying to blow one up.

Wasn't it? Well, I think they were trying to blow one up.

They sent miners there.

They sent miners there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They trained miners how to be astronauts because that was clearly the easiest choice instead of training astronauts to mine.

They trained miners how to be astronauts because that was clearly the easiest choice instead of training astronauts to mine.

There was a congressman that had a classified meeting about the James Webb.

There was a congressman that had a classified meeting about the James Webb.

He's been doing good work on the UAP topic.

He's been doing good work on the UAP topic.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, it's tough to say based on what I've seen just in the public from from reports and kind of amateur photographers and witnesses. Some of them do seem to be making pretty sharp turns. I wouldn't call them like physics breaking turns, but they don't seem to be operating like a normal aircraft. Right. So they're down low. They're making what appear to be pretty high G turns.

You know, it's tough to say based on what I've seen just in the public from from reports and kind of amateur photographers and witnesses. Some of them do seem to be making pretty sharp turns. I wouldn't call them like physics breaking turns, but they don't seem to be operating like a normal aircraft. Right. So they're down low. They're making what appear to be pretty high G turns.

Or maybe they detected signs of life around an exoplanet.

Or maybe they detected signs of life around an exoplanet.

You know, we've gone down the rabbit hole with some fun speculative conversation about what's out in space. But I just want to make the point that, like, this is still a solvable problem here on planet Earth, right? Like, we can't let, like, the fun speculation of what's going on out in the universe stop these kind of stodgy academics and others to say, well, this is not relevant to me.

You know, we've gone down the rabbit hole with some fun speculative conversation about what's out in space. But I just want to make the point that, like, this is still a solvable problem here on planet Earth, right? Like, we can't let, like, the fun speculation of what's going on out in the universe stop these kind of stodgy academics and others to say, well, this is not relevant to me.

This is not practical. There's nothing here, right? Like, we need an intense focus on this within our government at the highest levels possible. Not just within an organization with the Pentagon. And we need to engage our scientific and academic community and remove the stigma at the highest levels. I'm hoping Trump will do that.

This is not practical. There's nothing here, right? Like, we need an intense focus on this within our government at the highest levels possible. Not just within an organization with the Pentagon. And we need to engage our scientific and academic community and remove the stigma at the highest levels. I'm hoping Trump will do that.

I think so. I think that would absolutely. And of course, by people knowing they're going to want to have some evidence that they can use to do research on. But even if the president just came out the other day or, you know, in the next week or in a few months and said, we don't know what they are.

I think so. I think that would absolutely. And of course, by people knowing they're going to want to have some evidence that they can use to do research on. But even if the president just came out the other day or, you know, in the next week or in a few months and said, we don't know what they are.

We have moderate to high confidence that they don't originate through any known adversary or nation on Earth. Help us figure this out.

We have moderate to high confidence that they don't originate through any known adversary or nation on Earth. Help us figure this out.

I understand it's a policy of the Biden administration to downplay this topic at the highest levels.

I understand it's a policy of the Biden administration to downplay this topic at the highest levels.

Yeah. Huh. So I think with the folks that are friendly to this topic coming in with the Trump administration open up a very key opportunity window for us to move this conversation forward.

Yeah. Huh. So I think with the folks that are friendly to this topic coming in with the Trump administration open up a very key opportunity window for us to move this conversation forward.

maybe like three, four, five G turns at relatively low air speeds, which is indicative of them having a pretty significant power supply, right? Anytime you turn like that, you're burning energy essentially.

maybe like three, four, five G turns at relatively low air speeds, which is indicative of them having a pretty significant power supply, right? Anytime you turn like that, you're burning energy essentially.

To stop our adversaries being aware of the reality situation and from investing into it and proceeding past. And because, again, we're artificially constraining ourselves. Right. Because we're trying to keep it a secret. Right. So now that game is changing. Right. That game is changing because it appears that China is making investments and has a large amount of interest in this topic.

To stop our adversaries being aware of the reality situation and from investing into it and proceeding past. And because, again, we're artificially constraining ourselves. Right. Because we're trying to keep it a secret. Right. So now that game is changing. Right. That game is changing because it appears that China is making investments and has a large amount of interest in this topic.

And we're at a point now where if we continue to do that, we're going to simply fall behind. And I think there's been this delay within the Biden administration to just kind of ignore that problem for whatever problem is more relevant. He's probably more worried about his son and the legal issues he's in than this massive issue. I don't think he's running anything.

And we're at a point now where if we continue to do that, we're going to simply fall behind. And I think there's been this delay within the Biden administration to just kind of ignore that problem for whatever problem is more relevant. He's probably more worried about his son and the legal issues he's in than this massive issue. I don't think he's running anything.

Whoever's been running it, I think. Yeah. So I think this is, I mean, can you imagine how President Trump would be remembered across history if he moved this conversation forward?

Whoever's been running it, I think. Yeah. So I think this is, I mean, can you imagine how President Trump would be remembered across history if he moved this conversation forward?

So for them to be able to make these high G maneuvers and then remain in the area for another five or six or seven hours and still have the battery life or whatever's propelling them to then go over the ocean to a point where they're untrackable is, Again, I'm not really familiar with that type of capability either.

So for them to be able to make these high G maneuvers and then remain in the area for another five or six or seven hours and still have the battery life or whatever's propelling them to then go over the ocean to a point where they're untrackable is, Again, I'm not really familiar with that type of capability either.

Well, that's why we have the red phone with Russia, right? Is it really red? Yeah, it used to be. I'm sure it's a text message now.

Well, that's why we have the red phone with Russia, right? Is it really red? Yeah, it used to be. I'm sure it's a text message now.

Well, they do, and they do with China as well now, although it's less public.

Well, they do, and they do with China as well now, although it's less public.

It used to be, but it was there in order to— Let's hear this.

It used to be, but it was there in order to— Let's hear this.

Maybe it's time for another one.

Maybe it's time for another one.

We haven't had support from the top in the past. Right. So we're in such a position. You would have to have me working closely with the White House and you would have to have the White House's buy in on this. I think that's the only way.

We haven't had support from the top in the past. Right. So we're in such a position. You would have to have me working closely with the White House and you would have to have the White House's buy in on this. I think that's the only way.

And from the top of the executive branch, you use that position of influence, you pass additional presidential memorandums and executive orders that countermand previous memorandums that may have existed in the past in order to legally compel these organizations from the chief executive to be able to move the conversation forward.

And from the top of the executive branch, you use that position of influence, you pass additional presidential memorandums and executive orders that countermand previous memorandums that may have existed in the past in order to legally compel these organizations from the chief executive to be able to move the conversation forward.

to require them to bring this information out, to require them to collaborate. And it doesn't have to be a one-person job. You bring in some of the brightest people in our country in order to evaluate this data, come to a conclusion, and then share those conclusions with the American people.

to require them to bring this information out, to require them to collaborate. And it doesn't have to be a one-person job. You bring in some of the brightest people in our country in order to evaluate this data, come to a conclusion, and then share those conclusions with the American people.

I mean, ultimately, if the answer is that there is nothing unusual going on here, then we have to respect that, right?

I mean, ultimately, if the answer is that there is nothing unusual going on here, then we have to respect that, right?

Yeah, and I don't think that's the case here for all the reasons that we've discussed today. So ultimately, it's about finding the truth, right? It's not about finding your way to a conclusion that you already support.

Yeah, and I don't think that's the case here for all the reasons that we've discussed today. So ultimately, it's about finding the truth, right? It's not about finding your way to a conclusion that you already support.

I did see one video like that. I wasn't sure how real it was.

I did see one video like that. I wasn't sure how real it was.

We would have for the first time, I think, a clear direction of where we need to go as a society. It would revamp our academic processes, our fields of study, our beliefs in, you know, religious structures. I don't think they would nullify it. I think they would probably amplify it. And it would, I think, have the equivalent impact of a positive nuclear bomb on our economy.

We would have for the first time, I think, a clear direction of where we need to go as a society. It would revamp our academic processes, our fields of study, our beliefs in, you know, religious structures. I don't think they would nullify it. I think they would probably amplify it. And it would, I think, have the equivalent impact of a positive nuclear bomb on our economy.

We would have certainty in what direction to invest in and what technologies to pursue. And I think that by having that direction, that would, again, nuclear bomb level increase in capabilities where we would be able to, you know, be working on propulsion and energy systems and material systems that would advance us well beyond where we are today. It would leapfrog us.

We would have certainty in what direction to invest in and what technologies to pursue. And I think that by having that direction, that would, again, nuclear bomb level increase in capabilities where we would be able to, you know, be working on propulsion and energy systems and material systems that would advance us well beyond where we are today. It would leapfrog us.

And if we sit on our hands, we don't do that, we're going to find our adversaries in a position to do that instead, which would completely rewrite the geopolitical environment.

And if we sit on our hands, we don't do that, we're going to find our adversaries in a position to do that instead, which would completely rewrite the geopolitical environment.

I think, well, we already are in AI to some degree, but I don't think it's a technology you can necessarily contain to one country. I mean, China already has their own AI out there. So I think it's going to be somewhat business as usual, at least on the AI side. Quantum computing, a little bit different.

I think, well, we already are in AI to some degree, but I don't think it's a technology you can necessarily contain to one country. I mean, China already has their own AI out there. So I think it's going to be somewhat business as usual, at least on the AI side. Quantum computing, a little bit different.

Yeah. Yeah, I've, you know, I've heard multiple people, representative officials saying like, hey, government needs to step in and start being more clear because people are just going to take matters into their own hands. That's where people get hurt.

Yeah. Yeah, I've, you know, I've heard multiple people, representative officials saying like, hey, government needs to step in and start being more clear because people are just going to take matters into their own hands. That's where people get hurt.

The technology investment is much higher, but still, if China can come in and potentially steal that technology and replicate it, then we're just in another level of arm's race at that point.

The technology investment is much higher, but still, if China can come in and potentially steal that technology and replicate it, then we're just in another level of arm's race at that point.

But if we have the ability to invest in deep technologies that we aware have an endpoint in reality instead of having to guess the strategic value of something, it's going to allow us to focus our resources in a way that we haven't had the opportunity to do in this country.

But if we have the ability to invest in deep technologies that we aware have an endpoint in reality instead of having to guess the strategic value of something, it's going to allow us to focus our resources in a way that we haven't had the opportunity to do in this country.

I think it would give us a lot of reason to collaborate.

I think it would give us a lot of reason to collaborate.

I've heard rumors of downed ones, but I haven't.

I've heard rumors of downed ones, but I haven't.

It's like we're all sitting in Plato's cave Duking it out Arguing about what's on the wall right when a few people are creeping upstairs realizing that we have a lot bigger things to worry about and

It's like we're all sitting in Plato's cave Duking it out Arguing about what's on the wall right when a few people are creeping upstairs realizing that we have a lot bigger things to worry about and

Well, people like yourself bringing attention to this topic, Joe, is huge. I think the momentum that we've seen over the past three, four, five, eight years since I've been doing this is really changing the conversation. I speak with people every single day. I work this every single day, Joe, seven days a week.

Well, people like yourself bringing attention to this topic, Joe, is huge. I think the momentum that we've seen over the past three, four, five, eight years since I've been doing this is really changing the conversation. I speak with people every single day. I work this every single day, Joe, seven days a week.

And the amount of people that are changing their tune and coming around to this conversation at all levels of engineering, scientific background, financial resources is absolutely huge. And I think the pressure is going to continue to build. And I think that the opportunity we have here with the new administration is unprecedented.

And the amount of people that are changing their tune and coming around to this conversation at all levels of engineering, scientific background, financial resources is absolutely huge. And I think the pressure is going to continue to build. And I think that the opportunity we have here with the new administration is unprecedented.

Yeah, I think if that's the one you're referring to, there happened to be like a small plane crash.

Yeah, I think if that's the one you're referring to, there happened to be like a small plane crash.

And I think we need to do everything we can do to leverage that to move the conversation to a point of no return.

And I think we need to do everything we can do to leverage that to move the conversation to a point of no return.

I have this kind of pit in my stomach that this will probably stop in like a week or two, and then we won't learn anything new. Now, I don't know if that's how it's going to play out, but that would be consistent with what happened in past years.

I have this kind of pit in my stomach that this will probably stop in like a week or two, and then we won't learn anything new. Now, I don't know if that's how it's going to play out, but that would be consistent with what happened in past years.

Due to the lack of coordination in government on this topic, I would assume if that's what they were doing, they would have had a better plan to communicate.

Due to the lack of coordination in government on this topic, I would assume if that's what they were doing, they would have had a better plan to communicate.

Even within the federal government, there seems to be confusion, right? So I'm not even referring to local government and law enforcement. I'm talking about, like, government agencies that are actively investigating this seem to be out of the loop as well.

Even within the federal government, there seems to be confusion, right? So I'm not even referring to local government and law enforcement. I'm talking about, like, government agencies that are actively investigating this seem to be out of the loop as well.

So if they are trying to trick us – and when I mean us, I mean, like, basically everyone, you know, even within the government, even what people need to know – I mean, I just it's so hard for me to rationalize that they would be willing to manipulate 95 percent of the government in order to run some kind of experiment or social test with unclear value at the end of that chain. Right.

So if they are trying to trick us – and when I mean us, I mean, like, basically everyone, you know, even within the government, even what people need to know – I mean, I just it's so hard for me to rationalize that they would be willing to manipulate 95 percent of the government in order to run some kind of experiment or social test with unclear value at the end of that chain. Right.

Like what exactly are they preparing us for? Is it a broader integration of UAP knowledge into our conversation? That's the only thing I could think that would require such secrecy.

Like what exactly are they preparing us for? Is it a broader integration of UAP knowledge into our conversation? That's the only thing I could think that would require such secrecy.