Samantha McVeigh

I mean, if she truly was trying to heal her father, realize it doesn't work and this is BS, they're like, I'm going to just take their money then.

Just say it.

Give her a little- That's her villain origin.

She didn't beat her. That's nice. But she didn't beat her.

It's fine. Fine. Waterboarding. It's fine. Saline solution. Everything's great. You know, I'm actually surprised that the police didn't jump in and be like, oh, racial stuff? Let's go beat some people. That seems like something they would want to do because they don't actually want to work.

Why are we doing this? Okay.

What a beautiful fairy tale.

I'm just thinking about this. It seems like, have you ever heard the story of Gypsy Rose? Yes. The child star, the mother. This sounds like the redneck version of that, except church, which makes sense if you want to be real honest. And I'm not going to lie. I'm sorry to those who live in Arkansas.

I know it's not your fault, but Arkansas is one of the top four states that I'm terrified to go through as a person of color. If I can, I will never go through there.

So they found the right girls. They didn't just pick random black girls that they were like, yeah, this suits.

The person you have to Google because you're not sure why you've heard of him, but then you figure it out.

I like I can't imagine because it's just the thought that I was like, I would have been immediately trip like that does not sound like a safe way to walk on.

What is wrong with you? What is the pulse thing? I don't get it. I don't get that.

Right.

I mean, I guess if you know enough people or the right people, you'll get good information.

Mama had a plan. At least she told her to get out of the house, I guess. I mean, it could have gone really awry very quickly.

Oh, amazing. Okay. We need to advertise that as the perfect pickup line for other Christians.

Come on.

It's better than a soul. Come on.

It's true.

It's intercessive.

Just in case she backs out. He's like, I got another one. I really, really need to fuck. This is the real one.

I was going to ask, is that bigotry? I didn't know for sure. It might be bigotry.

He's a practice round.

He's got to do it right. And he's got to practice it and get it through. And then, like, you know, it perfects everything.

I was really confused where she was. Okay. She dropped her. Yeah. Okay.

Right. This is interesting.

Wow. I mean, a little respect. They really did pull people off the streets. They are pulling people off the streets.

But they're not on the streets. They're not on the streets.

Anybody of different colors or a different race.

Perfect timing.

I don't think so, yeah. I'm on a podcast. It has a book. It's been around for a bit.

That's it.

All?

And then they're the only ones profiting off of anything.

Or is it just frustrating that this cyclical thing has to continue to happen and we just have to never learn? Like, we never fucking learn. Or the people that... have learned really well, and so they bring it back so they can make that profit. I'm gonna throw this computer.

What? Have you heard of this guy? Do you know Tony Alamo? I don't. I don't know. Which is what I'm kind of surprised by. Because I was really deep into the Christian world. So I don't know this one.

You know, this is the thing about cults, I think, and this is kind of one of the big problems, especially a cult like this. You know, you want to sit back and say, man, they were crazy. But those rules apply for so many of the churches. Like literally the type that I grew up in, they wouldn't say necessarily you couldn't turn on the lights.

But the idea, don't bring in literature, don't learn things on your own, was very much like placed and told us like things like seminary and theology. being any of those places, were against God and not having faith. So, like, unfortunately, that, because this cult is so crazy, it makes the other things look normal. And it's not. I'm okay, though.

I'm okay, though.

This method is proven, it's sound, let's keep going with it. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

So modern day Christianity. Let's go.

I mean, you got to show off when you're blessed.

That's right. Hashtag blessed.

Yeah. What's the point? Yeah.

Right. I mean, I'm not going to show you my jacket right now. I'm just saying.

I need it to be shaggy carpeting.

I need some, like, bare skin rugs.

I need all of those. And then golden candles. Yes.

Good. You know, I was just saying, I feel like Sophie is our adult that supervises. So I'm a little nervous that she's not here, but it's okay. Because I also did another show with Margaret and Sophie wasn't there either. So maybe she, is she mad at me? Oh, no.

Or did they just pay a lot of money?

Aren't they beautiful? They're an off brand like Johnny Cash.

Yeah. Shipped from Timu.

Yeah. So uncomfortable.

Legitimately?

Oh, yes. Yes.

What is that one movie, I already forgot, that has the aliens and, obviously, the White House is involved? Wow.

Glenn Close is in it. And I think he, like, do you know? I'm going to get corrected later.

All right. I could be wrong. There's those aliens that's so bad, like, digitally.

Because her head has that shape.

And she scares me.

Yeah. Like she I see her beating people. I see that. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

She's still expiring.

This is so painful.

It went away.

It felt like a really bad SNL skit from the 70s.

They're going to haunt me.

I need someone to come sage my house. Yeah. In my brain.

Oh, yes.

Yeah. Again, you can find me on Stuff Mom Never Told You with my co-host, Annie. We talk about a lot of intersectional stuff, so that means really sad stuff right now. Until, like, you know, we're actually on the list and people come at us. But anyway, that's a podcast that I'm on. And then you can find me on Blue Sky, McVeigh, Sam. And that's about it.

I was wondering. I'm not going to lie.

It's sinister and it's also bless your heart. Like she's going to poison you, but it's going to be a really great pie.

She's just running.

Interesting technique.

I was like, let's just quarantine you out there.

So get some Morse code.

It sounds like it's an amalgamation of saying Christ and then like Thessalonians and one of the chapters out of the Bible or something like that.

I'll take these two things, splice them together. Beautiful.

No problems here.

I mean, this all tracks to where she goes. It feels like it's very on point.

Right.

It's like a surprise. It's like a surprise. Yeah, exactly.

I'm imagining some kind of pie and meat, maybe. Yeah. Pie meat. Expired soups.

She beats me, tells me. Yeah.

Well, so that's the question. How is it marketed?

This is the only way we could fit the tiny stones on there with the tiny hands.

Yeah, and cuddling with dead bodies.

So did people not realize it was a cult? They just assumed it was just a foundation and a children's home or like a halfway house type of thing at this point?

It is still named the Tony Alamo Jacket Company. And people are like, yeah, I still need it. I really need that now.

They're not going to make it anymore. I have to have one.

I mean, maybe you could resurrect him from the dead. All you got to do is cuddle him.

I think we can make this work for you.

That's the speed part.

That's why he needs the speed, right? Oh, no, that's what he sounds like.

And so he's still that slow.

You've got to make it happen. You've got to make it happen. Dolly Parton calls. She's got a show coming. Come on.

Yeah, for sure. But, you know. This does go along the biblical ideals, and that's also why a lot of the states in the U.S. have not banned child brides. Yeah. And I'm sure Arkansas is probably one of those places. Sorry, I don't know.

All you need is the mama say yeah.

I'm just... Honestly, the problem I have is knowing that this man, if he was... under trial now, guarantee he'd be fine.

I think he would be so fine. He would probably be in office and or an advisor at this point. That's just the level. If he has gone that well.

Right, right. Well, I mean, that's the point.

But I mean, like in general, like he's also a God, obviously. Maybe he didn't resurrect his wife, but that was for a plan to impregnate adolescence.

Right. And people who want to put those people on pedestals will justify why this is okay.

Exactly. For that group of people. For that group of people. Right. I mean, Matt Gaetz.

He's fine. He's great.

That's about right. That's what kids do. Amen, brother.

Right. My question, though, is that the wife wasn't necessarily trying to protect the children as much as she was jealous of the children. She's his wife, right? Which is what happened with her daughter. She was upset with the daughter for seducing her husband at such a young age.

Right. But this is that conversation is that no one really takes responsibility because they're just like, well, he's the one bad character. We didn't know better. But the thing is, yeah, you did. Yeah, you did. You're like the parent or the people who watch these children grow up or haven't grown up. And then that's like, oh, everything about this. And the fact that this continues to be a...

Justifiable conversation as if eventually someone will believe me and agree with me. Yeah, it works. They do.

Of course.

Wait, I would think that is... Because he would be older than David Koresh, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think he is. He's definitely older. So maybe he's mentoring this dude at this point?

If it's under like the actual umbrella of his cult, he still does.

Tithing, right? That's what I would assume.

I'm not going to lie, that's a hustle. That's a hustle. Hustle, come on now.

That is, I would have never thought of that. There's a reason you wouldn't have thought of it. I can't believe grocery stores. Because you're not a monster. Yeah. But, like, grocery stores actually buying from them? That's... Yeah. Like, it's different times. It's different times.

Wait, so, wait, her body's missing now?

Wait, what? What? Are we trying to resurrect our 2.0? Is this like... No.

Yeah, you put sunglasses on her. You put sunglasses on her.

For some reason, I feel like she would enjoy, Susan would have enjoyed that. Oh yeah. Torturing her daughter after death. Also a piece of shit. I feel like she would approve of that. Yes. Yes.

The parents are making their children still make these jackets. Oh, yeah. It's still the children.

Right.

First of all, the voice is fantastic. Did he take on like hippie speak in order to like sell this after all of that?

I guess hippie and jean jacket, denim, maybe they do go hand in hand. I don't know.

Tell me she's in that white suit, though. Is she at least in that suit?

What a deal. What a deal. A good conversation and jackets. Beaded jackets on that note? Beaded jackets, yes. So many rhinestones.

That's just setting up for a haunting. Like being cursed and unhaunted.

I am here. That's the answer, right? You're here, alive.

Did he, like, remarry her? Like, renew the vows here, too? I mean, there's a lot that I'm, wow.

Right. I mean, this is kind of like the Jaws moment. Yes, yes. Pretend like no one's dead. Pretend like there's not a giant shark attack. We're just going to enjoy the summer. Let's just chill.

You gotta marry her for the fifth time, right?

yeah that makes sense yeah no i was i mean to be fair in these cult situations it doesn't matter usually the parents whether they're present or not they're somewhat like complicit parts complicit i think a lot of these yeah but then like separating them makes a lot of sense which it does happen in a lot of cults yep yep it's a pretty it's pretty standard cult behavior and it i mean it makes sense that that's how tony works

So he was okay with other people having multi-relationships too? It wasn't just him, or did he do all the marrying?

Okay.

The children?

There's so many questions. I have so many questions.

Like they already know there's these rumors, but then they let them in and be like, this is completely normal. Completely normal.

The amount of like... First of all, just... Just from what I remember working as a social worker for DFAX, having a child sex abuse case literally cost a dude $6,000 in probation.

That was, and that's if we had proof.

It had to be forensic proof or the child had to be able to explicitly tell in detail what had happened to them. You would talk about the fact that it only costs a bit of money if you want to do this. It's disgusting.

Yeah, absolutely.

And this is why I don't trust Christians.

Right.

I mean, I was going to say a lot of this is hand in hand, once again, with the current church leaders today.

Was this a documentary at any point? Because some of these stories sound familiar.

I may have watched parts of it because some of this sounds, especially like the town being like, this is getting weird. Yeah. Finally getting to that point. Sounded familiar.

Right. Like we would mind our business, but then when you start doing this and like devaluing our property.

There's so many levels.

But mattresses, how? I want to know this is like a Fast and Furious operation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In which they're like, there's a package coming. There's a truck coming.

But oh my God.

You can't do that with Tempur-Pedic.

Oh. Now they're at Costco?

Casper or something? Yeah, Casper.

I want to know that the prisoners cuddled him. Yeah. I'm just kidding. Don't tell me.

Right. And the fact that he lived a majority of his adulthood in luxury and like infamy, people respected his stuff. That's really disgusting. It makes me, yeah, angry. The entire system. Like, the fact that people are okay with this.

Like, I want to know, did Michael Jackson, obviously he can't now, but, like, Mr. T, Dolly Parton, anybody ever talk about, you know, having a shame in that or, like, renouncing any of those things? Did they at least burn?

I was going to ask about that, but you know.

Uh-huh.

Right. I mean, at the very least, like acknowledging that the victims existed, including the child labor that went into her work.

Of course not. Yeah. They wouldn't. Yeah. I mean, we don't know who the queens and kings and presidents are at this point.

I mean, I feel like Bill Clinton probably had one. Like, I could see him putting one of those on and playing his saxophone.

On par.

Right.

I need to save my computer. How do I do this?

You know, we talk about stuff on Stuff Mom Never Told You about how the world is awful and similar to these bad people. And hopefully solutions or at least positive things. So if you want to come listen to us, you can find me on Blue Sky, McVeigh Sam. I do have Instagram and all that, but I'm rarely on there.

Especially if it's bedazzled.

But hey, we exist.

What?

Yes.

And those kids became serial killers. Yeah, those...

So was this during an interview, like...

So they just found him. You slept with a dead body. Tell us about that experience. You grew up in this cult. Also, to those people, I'm so sorry.

Oh, I was waiting for six days. Six months?

And the body was okay?

Were they not cuddling enough? Is that the reason?

I don't know. You'd have to ask Tony. What's supposed to happen?

By the kids laying on her?

I think something like that.

It's just conceding. It's not like he's conceded.

He launches a clothing brand?

It's Hollister, isn't it?

Bedazzled did their thing. Yes. So this makes sense. Also, it's kind of. Horrifying?

Why do they all say this?

No, I can't.

There's so many things to this. Why?

Yeah, that's going to take me a minute.

The fact that, that means he had to have sold so many more after the fact.

I was waiting for her name. But wait, Mr. T, the cutoff jean jacket?

That's Tony next to Mr. T. He really looks like off-brand country musicians. He looks like Haggard. He's Merle Haggard. Like, what the hell?

It's iconic.

Again, Mr. T, I remember him with a cut-off jean jacket. That's what I'm picturing when you say Mr. T. This one, it's got American flag arms. That doesn't sound like a big leap.