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Sebastián Kind

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

In just six years, Argentina, my beautiful home country, went from barely having renewable energy on its grid to one where, on some days, nearly 40% of its electricity comes from wind and solar.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And this happened in a country globally recognized for its political and economic crisis.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

home of a world-class oil and gas industry with the fourth largest shale oil reserve and the second largest shale gas reserve in the world.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

You might be wondering, how was that possible?

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And how can we replicate this all over the world?

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

I'm going to tell you how.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

I spent my entire career making renewables a reality.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

I worked in the private energy sector, in government, in the third sector.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And after many years, I learned that the key to making the energy transition work in emerging markets all comes down to helping investors protect their investments and building trust where there's not any.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

It's basic.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

It's step one of real-world economics.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

But keep that framing in your mind for a while and let's look at Argentina as our case study.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

When I was starting out thinking about renewables, I was always asking myself two things.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Why were we using fossil fuels instead of our incredible renewable resources?

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And why was my country experiencing recurrent economic crisis?

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And I found that both questions were connected.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Fossil fuels are easy, practical, and for a long time has been the obvious choice.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

A lot of concentrated energy?

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Just dirty, but who really cares, right?

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

On the other side, renewables require significant upfront investment.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

For them to produce clean energy for decades at almost zero operational cost, which makes them competitive against fossil fuels, but only in the long term.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Long-term investments are really the challenge in risky markets like Argentina.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

As for the second question, the economic crisis, get this, I always knew that this was because of politics and what I call mismanagement, but there was something else there, energy.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Argentina is a country super rich in natural resources, but we've been importing fossil fuels for decades, and of course, fuels that had to be paid for with money that we never had.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

So it became clear to me that if we really want to make the energy transition work, we have to finally find a way to get private investment into the long term.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And if we could do it, we can tackle both things at once, climate change and the economic strain of spending hard currency we don't have in importing energy we don't actually need.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Argentina has tried four times since 1990 to develop its renewable resources and failed each time because, of course, the transition from fossil fuels to renewables doesn't happen because someone like me here on a TED Talk says it should.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

It happens because it is convenient.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And convenient, particularly in emerging markets, means economically viable for both the buyer and the seller.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And here's where I found that my country was one of the hardest countries where to invest long-term in the world.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

But why?

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Because historically, we had the habit of changing the rules halfway through.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Can we imagine what it means to convince an investor to put their money into something that spans multiple administrations?

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Four?

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Five?

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Listen, we had five presidents in ten days in the early 2000s.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

It's just too risky.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

So the rule here is a short-term investment rule.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And when you want to build your wind or solar farm and get your investment back in only a few years, the result is that the unit of energy is too expensive, and it's not competitive against fossil fuels.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

So here we go.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Renewables are expensive.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Of course not.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

But we need to build them in the long term.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

There's no other way to do it.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

So I decided to try to change that, and I started working from the civil society in creating a legal framework, a political umbrella that would allow all the factions in my country to rally behind one single cause.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

We needed to develop our incredible renewable resources, consume less fossil fuels, and save on our energy balance.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

We needed a program that cannot be easily undone by a change in government control.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

we needed a national cross-party policy in which everyone agrees that renewables must happen, not because they're clean or green or fancy, but because they're convenient.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

It took me huge effort, frustration, more than two years, but I did it.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

We managed to convince almost every member in Congress to support the national renewable energy law.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

something that, as you can imagine, felt nearly impossible in a country marked by deep political polarization and the oil and gas industry fighting us at every step.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

But we did it because the argument was clear, easy.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

It would be economically beneficial for the nation if we started by demonstrating to investors a true political consensus and a long-term unity.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Long story short, the law was passed by with 94% of support in both chambers.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

historic.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And with that in my hand, I moved to the next phase of the plan, implementation.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

I had the privilege of being invited to join the executive branch, the Ministry of Energy.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

to design a program that can really change the course of our energy future.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And I knew where to start.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

We had to improve the credit rating of the energy program and shift it out of the credit rating of the country.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Because by doing so, we would bring international capital to the game, making renewables competitive against fossil fuels.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

So we designed a unique scheme of investment guarantees, something that I love to call the worst-case scenario waterfall.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

It consists in three steps.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

The first one, what we call the energy payment guarantee.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

It is basically a fund established in advance by the government to pay the seller of the energy, like the investors behind the wind or the solar farm, for any payment that the buyer, like the utility, cannot pay for whatever reason.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Interesting.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

But we knew that this was not enough.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

because we know that the government of Argentina has frequently halted currency conversions and restricted money transfers abroad in past economic crises.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

So we had to offer an extra layer of protection to the investors.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

We structured a second step, what we call the early termination payment guarantee.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

We structured treasury notes that we granted to investors in advance before they committed their investment.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

We told them that no matter what the government decides to do, they will get their investment back.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

That's beautiful.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

But still, something was missing here.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Because we knew that we needed to bring international capital to the game.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

So far, we've been protecting the investors from problems within Argentina, but not from Argentina defaulting on its obligations, as unfortunately had happened in the past.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And if there's something money has, it's memory.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

So we decided to offer a third-step guarantee.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

what we call the international backstop.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

To backstop the obligations of the sovereign government, we negotiated a $750 million with the World Bank, one of the least risky institutions in the world.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

In other words, we told investors that no matter what's going on, they will get their investment back in the currency of their choice, wherever in the world they would like.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

So now, it's a different thing, right?

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

So the water of international finance

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

could start flowing.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

But what does this really mean in practical terms?

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Before I took office, Argentina was negotiating contracts at the $350 range in the solar business.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Long-term contracts, but short-term view, super expensive, and of course, not competitive at all against fossil fuels.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Not convenient.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

In less than six months, we brought prices down by a factor of seven to the $50 range.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

We brought $11 billion into the economy.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

In the wires, more than 200 projects all around the country are making today a place where, on some days, nearly 40% of its electricity comes from wind and solar.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And drum roll, please.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

The country is saving today.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

over $2 billion in hard currency per year.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

This is more than $40 billion in the life of the assets, equivalent to the entire debt that the country has with the IMF, the largest in the world by far.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

more than 300 million tons of CO2 avoided.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

This is the real impact of what a well-structured and trustworthy program can offer.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

But I knew that this was not only a problem affecting Argentina.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

More than 70% of the countries in the world suffer about the same.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

So I decided to leave the government a few years ago, and with the support of Climate Breakthrough, I created a nonprofit organization.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

to support governments in emerging markets with the design and implementation of renewables at scale.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

I wanted to offer others what I would have loved to have when I took office and I didn't have.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Someone, a real partner, that can help me design the path forward, craft the documents with me, someone that can give me access to a world-class team of experts with real hands-on experience.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

in structural projects all around the world, and particularly renewable energy projects in emerging markets.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Someone that can give me tools, concrete tools, like the iTrust, our guaranteed fund, established and ready to use.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

It is called RELP, in short, for Real and Possible.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And we work across emerging markets in Southeast Asia, supporting governments in Africa, in Latin America and the Caribbean.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

And we won't stop until we see renewables in every single wire and beyond.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

The key is to create stability, build trust, and design programs

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

that can really make renewables not just the right thing to do, but the most convenient thing to do everywhere.

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Most countries fail at clean energy. Here’s how mine succeeded | Sebastián Kind

Thank you.