Sen. Ron Johnson
Appearances
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
156 witnesses, you know, first responders saying they heard explosions before the buildings came down. There was never a steel building that ever collapsed because of a fire.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So you want me to throw my colleagues under the bus?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Depends whether it's a chronic or acute crisis. I'd say we're already in a chronic debt crisis. That is what I would consider the devaluation of the dollar. I laid out, and we talked about this, my pre-pandemic options, going back to 98, 2014, 2019. So a dollar you held in 1998 is only worth 51 cents today. Ouch. A dollar you held when I- It's devalued that much just since 98?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Of the dollars they appropriate, they know that. But that's only 25% of the budget. The story I told you at breakfast is a couple of years ago. This was after the COVID spending spree, but we continued on that spending spree. We were in the midst of an omnibus spending debate. And this is where McConnell was doing a deal with Schumer on a massive omnibus spending bill.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It's been cut in half. When I ran in 2010, that dollar is worth about 68 cents today. A dollar you held during Obama in 2014 is worth 74 cents. A dollar you held just in 2019 is only worth 80 cents. So again, that is the devaluation of the dollar. That's inflation. This is why everything is so expensive. Yeah, that's a silent tax.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Yeah, and that's why you had four-year high inflation. So that way I would consider the chronic debt crisis. It just continues. And it's the danger. We have not... tamed inflation yet. We've tamed it, but we haven't conquered it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So I think that's always on the horizon, particularly if we continue deficit spend, particularly if the bond markets continue to react as they are, keep driving interest rates up higher, and you start increasing the amount of interest expense, crowding out other spending. So an acute debt crisis would be where you have a bond market failure, like what happened to Greece.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
All of a sudden, you can't sell your debt. So you either print the money, which sparks another round of 40, 50-year high inflation, devaluing the currency rapidly. We're not necessarily immune to hyperinflation. Other countries have experienced it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Nobody buys them. And so, again, the advantage the U.S. has over any other country is we are the world's reserve currency. Right. So we can print dollars. So we can get by that moment except for you're printing dollars. And inflation is pretty easy to define. It's too many dollars chasing too few goods. Right. So you just print all those dollars, and again, the dollar devalues.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
The cost of your debt is lowered. Again, it's a silent way of addressing these massive deficits. How far away from a moment like that are we? I don't know. I would have thought we would have experienced it by now, but we've experienced it instead as, again, 40-year high inflation. The devaluation of the currency. I mean, I think that's pretty shocking when you take a look at that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It's a dollar just 11 years ago. It was only worth 74 cents. Six years, it's only worth 80 cents. That's an amazing level of devaluation. It's not even close to hyperinflation where you've got inflation rates of hundreds of percent. So when that crisis comes, what do you do? Well, you have a great deal of turmoil in your society. It won't be pleasant. It's what we need to try and avoid.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And by the way, why I'm not in a full-blown panic, people like Art Laffer, economist of the Laffer curve, he does correctly point out America has enormous wealth. I mean, hundreds of trillions of dollars worth of wealth. So $37 trillion in relationship to hundreds of trillion dollars worth of wealth That's manageable.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It's just like if you're a billionaire, but you don't work, you can have some pretty large mortgages on homes, but you still have to generate some income to service the debt. And I think that's kind of the point we're making. I mean, it's not irrelevant debt to GDP ratio. And we do have massive wealth.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And we were going to violate, for the first time, our conference's position on earmarks. You know, our conference's position is we do not accept earmarks. All of a sudden, the Republican Senate is going to be accepting earmarks. So... I got up in front of the group. I'm generally the skunk in the room or the kid who says the emperor has no clothes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But we need to manage the cash flow problem here, too, as well as just the pernicious impact of all these transfer payments, providing encouragement for people not to work. There's a great article written, I think, in 2017 by Nick Eberstadt of the American Enterprise Institute, Our Miserable 21st Century. You know, talking about how 20% of working age men are permanently out of the workforce.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Yes. You know, on Medicaid, using the Medicaid card to buy opiate drugs to, you know, help finance their living. You know, all kinds, all those pernicious impacts of a society where we literally don't require people to work. We actually incentivize them not to. That's, to my mind, that's one of the biggest problems we have with the big welfare system.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Yeah, somebody's got to do the work.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And, you know, we were talking earlier when I first entered this political realm, going to dairy breakfast, the first issue I heard in Wisconsin was, you know, we don't have enough workers. Now, I come from a manufacturing background where for 20 or so years, you couldn't find enough people to work in a manufacturing plant. Yeah. Which is why I always kind of scratch my head.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Listen, there are certainly products that we have offshored that we need to reshore. You know, things that are strategic that impact our national security. But right now, I think our biggest problem is we don't have enough workers. If you bring all this manufacturing back to America, who's going to work the factories? And we certainly shouldn't be bringing back high labor content product.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I think you need to diversify your supply base. You can't be so dependent on an adversary like China. Spread it around. You know, that would reduce your risk.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Well, they just ignore it. Again, one of the reasons I'm digging my heels in as the one big beautiful bill comes over the Senate is we haven't had the discussion or the debate. The only number you heard about in the whole House debate here was $1.5 trillion, which sounds like a lot, right? I mean, $1.5 trillion in spending reduction.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And, of course, they're focusing on programs like Medicaid that – The main problem with that is Obamacare, which is now called Medicaid expansion, allowing states to gain the system, putting at risk Medicaid for the truly vulnerable. But that's all you really heard about. You don't ever put that in context.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
$1.5 trillion compared to $89 trillion spending over the next 10 years, it's barely a rounding error. We haven't been talking about the massive annual deficits. We don't talk about the debt.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Well, again, it was really sparked by the pandemic. Right. I'll give the Tea Party movement a fair amount of credit. I ran because we were Mortgage and Kids Future. We were running deficits for, I think, three years in a row over a trillion dollars. But once we got to town in 2011, we started having these budget debates. We had divided government. Obama didn't get everything he wanted.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We did something called the Budget Control Act, which literally reduced discretionary spending for three years in a row until we learned how to weasel around it. So we pretty well flattened out federal government spending at about $3.5 trillion for five or six or seven years. And then the last couple of years of the Obama administration started creeping up.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I just asked my colleagues, hey, anybody know how much we spent last year in total? Dead silence. I went out to the Washington press corps. By which you meant what we spent last year. In total, the federal government, what the federal government spent in total. Just the bottom line number. If anybody knew, they didn't volunteer.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And then under Trump, it went from about $4 trillion to $4.1 to $4.4. And then it went to $6.5, and we've never looked back. And the analogy I use there is I don't know of an American family, if they had an illness and they had to borrow $50,000 to pay for the medical bills, if that family member got well, you wouldn't keep borrowing $50,000 and spend at that level.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But that's exactly what we've done. And like nobody... Other than, you know, I'm the first guy who wrote the Wall Street Journal article about we really need to return to a pre-pandemic level. It doesn't seem radical. And I've laid out options, you know, Clinton, Obama, Trump. COVID pandemic. This was just like a couple years ago. So, I mean, what Biden should have done, I mean, we had...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We overspent in 2020. When we first were talking about that CARES Act, it was like $750 billion, which I knew we had to do something fast and massive so markets wouldn't collapse. But within like a week or two, that went up to like $2.2 trillion. We sent out direct payment checks to 166 million Americans three times.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Way late, way after unemployment had already returned from the 25 million person high. Again, 25 million people unemployed when normally you're at five or six. We sent out direct payment checks to 166 million Americans three times. So we way overspent even in 2020. So you had trillions of dollars sloshing around the economy as you come into 2021.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
The economy is coming roaring back because you have all this pent-up demand and all these dollars sloshing around. The last thing you should have done is add more fuel to the fire. That's what Biden Democrats did. Again, on average, $1.9 trillion of deficit spending. over the next four years. We never came down off of that $6.5 trillion, a little bit 6.2, 6.3, but then started going back up again.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Yeah, or your meal deal at McDonald's all of a sudden jumped from five to 10 bucks. When did that happen?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I haven't heard McConnell say this, but I've heard the quote attributed to him, and this is one thing I agree with him on. Show me one member of Congress who ever lost because they spent too much money. There just isn't public pressure. There's not public awareness. We don't educate our young people. The news media doesn't connect the dots.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And I went out to the Washington Press Corps, asked them the same question. And one of the reporters said, well, it's over a trillion dollars. Now, that's just discretionary spending. That's about 25% of the budget. I mean, total spending. The answer is, I think, $6.3 trillion. Understand, the federal government is the largest financial entity in the world.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Why people can't afford things is because of massive deaths of spending, which sparked four-year high inflation, devalued the dollar. I mean, to me, it's pretty obvious. But normal Americans, they just get all surly about it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Well, so if you're living on different transfer payments or different types of welfare benefits, you may not get those. You can't borrow more money, so you're going to have to take what money we spend on other government programs and we'll have to service our debt. You have to pay it off, unless we want to go into full default.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Which means you'll never float more debt. So you can't, you know, other than print more money, which then creates even more hyperinflation. So now people can't afford anything.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I think it happens enough. But what always happens is, you know, countries like U.S. go in there and we help them restructure their debt. I think that's happened numerous times.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Nobody can. Again, we will lose our position as the world's reserve currency and we'll lose our ability to print dollars that people accept. I mean, it's a marvelous thing that we just print dollars. We can send them overseas and people will produce products and ship them over here. High quality products are pretty low cost.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I think it's one of the reasons we've been able to keep inflation in check. producing all these massive deficits over the last couple of decades. Because we do import a lot of products. We've got billions of people either or underemployed around the world. We provide the capital. They produce the factories, they produce the goods. And then we just give them paper. It's fiat currency.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We print it, we keep printing it, and it's been working out pretty well. At some point in time, that gravy train might stop.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Yeah. Again, I can't predict. I'm trying to avoid it. It'll be painful. But potentially really painful. And who really suffers are people at the lower end of the income spectrum that have no safety net. They don't have any kind of hard assets that will inflate with inflation. They just be destitute.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Yeah. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I had my comm staff put together a video. I asked them to find all these Republican leaders that have talked about balancing the budget. We have a spending problem. It starts out with President Trump saying in the State of the Union, I'm going to do something we haven't done in 24 years, balance the federal budget.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We, in theory, are the 535 members of the board of directors. And nobody really knows in total how much the federal government spent because we never talk about it. And... As that relates to the current— What a weird thing not to talk about, since that's your job. But that's how it's been set up. Discretionary, which we appropriate, and then mandatory. That just gets spent.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Then every Republican leader, some form of, we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. In those clips, we have Elon Musk saying, if we don't fix this, there won't be money left over for anything. And I think that's a pretty accurate statement.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
No, it exacerbates the problem. How can that be? Because we're not serious about returning to a reasonable pre-pandemic global spending. We've picked a number out of the air, $1.5 trillion. It's totally out of context. It's not really related to the moment. It's missing the moment.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I think my best guess is conservatives in the House, who I love, didn't want to be blamed if this thing failed. So they said, well, listen— In order for us to accept a $5 trillion increase in the debt ceiling, we've got to get at least $1.5 trillion in savings, spending cuts. I don't think they were looking at the big picture.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I think they just pulled a big... I criticized them at the time privately. I said, listen, you set the bar way too low, you guys. This is completely inadequate. They set the bar way too low that it should have been easy to meet it, quite honestly. But even that was difficult. Because they didn't go through what I would consider the right kind of process.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So maybe we can shift in terms of what we have to do, what I'm trying to accomplish here and my digging my heels in. Doge has kind of shown us what we can do here. We've never had a process to control spending in the federal government. We don't have a balanced budget requirement. I didn't realize this, just found out.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Do you know they established the appropriation committees because the authorizing committees were big spenders? So the appropriation committees were supposed to be the control on the big spenders. Well, that didn't work. The Budget Control Act of 1974 didn't work. Simpson-Bowles didn't work. The Budget Control Act didn't work. It did for three years, but then we weaseled our way around it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So what process could possibly work to control spending? Well, first of all, you have to know the numbers. You have to understand what a deep hole we're in and have a commitment to address it. But Doge has pretty well shown us how to do it. Now, I come from the private sector. I think I probably spent more time
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It's on automatic pilot. So it's out of sight, it's out of mind, and it's completely out of control.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
either analyzing my department head budgets or my own overall company budget, then Congress in total spends analyzing the $7,000 billion budget of the federal government. So Doge has shown us if you go line by line, contract by contract, You will discover and uncover spending that, if the American public saw it, they'd be outraged by it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
If you eliminated it, my guess is most Americans wouldn't even know it's eliminated. About the only people that would know would be the grifters who have been sucking down the waste, fraud, and abuse.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So you have to go step by step. So that's why I've always been supportive of multiple steps. reconciliation process here. I was always recommending three steps. First step, give President Trump the funding on the border, defense, bank, $850 billion of real savings, not make-believe, you know, now. And Lindsey Graham agreed to this $85.5 billion.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
each year for four years to pay for the four years worth of spending and then extend that out 10 years, that gives you 850. That's more than half of what the House budget reconciliation supposedly gives us. Second step, I would just extend current tax law.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
If we would have been smart enough in 2017, had somebody like Chairman Crapo who really came up with this idea of let's just use current policy for taxes, then we can make this stuff permanent. You should never pass, in my mind, a tax law that automatically expires, just creates all these fiscal cliffs and puts all kinds of uncertainty in the economy. Yeah, why do they do that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So this gets into real budget wonkery, but for spending, to score it, you use current policy, which means if a spending program ends, if you want to extend it, you score it based on, oh, it's going to be extended anyway, so it doesn't cost anything. For taxes, though, we use current law.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So if the tax cuts are ending and you want to extend them, well, you're scoring that on the fact that they are going to end. So now to extend them, it's going to be a trillion dollar score. So then you got to pay for it. It's hard to pay for it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And so that's how it was all scored back in 2017, where if we would just use current policy, if we use current policy now, we can just extend current tax law and there's no score. So that's really what we're doing now. But we have to recognize when you're comparing to the CBO budget, CBO budget is assuming taxes do increase and bring in about another $4 trillion worth of revenue.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So Congress has written laws like the Social Security law, then Medicare and Medicaid, and they call those entitlements. So they're not annually appropriated. It's just you set up a law saying if you qualify, you get X number of dollars. So it's on automatic pilot.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So that's why I say the $22 trillion in projected deficits is probably a rosy scenario.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Well, I would say we're missing the focusing on the right thing. We had to focus on spending. And the reason I say that is spending is pretty certain. Again, who knows what revenue you're going to bring in? It's hard to predict. Spending, that's pretty easy to predict what that's going to be. Plus, I personally voted for President Trump because I wanted him to defeat the deep state. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
You don't defeat the deep state by continuing to fund it at Biden's levels. Yeah, I know. So, again, when you start talking about controlling the deficit, well, you can control the deficit by tariff revenue or selling the gold card. But that keeps funding the deep state. You have to focus on spending. We've just gone through an unprecedented level of increased spending other than World War II.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Just a quick aside on that. We entered World War II spending 11.7% of our economy of GDP on federal government, 11.7%. That got ramped up to 41% during the war. But by 1948, because we had responsible leaders, you know, the greatest generation, that actually went down to 11.4% of GDP. We returned to pre-war level spending.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I mean, you know, the war is over. Let's return to a reasonable pre-war level spending. We didn't do that during the pandemic. And that's what we have to do. We have to focus on, it's such a reasonable thing to do. It should have been done in 2021. We didn't do it for four years, but now we're just pretty well accepting that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We're accepting the fact that Obamacare, now called Medicaid expansion, is putting at risk Medicare for the truly vulnerable, even though we all ran on repealing and replacing that and obviously failed in the first Trump term. But now we're all okay with it. Now we're not going to touch that because they renamed it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So again, I'm trying to force the discussion over the real numbers. Okay. And again, $1.5 trillion. in abstract seems like a lot, but we've really ramped up from 2019 to this year. That's over 10 years. That's $29 trillion of increased spending over 10 years, 29 trillion. And we're talking about cutting out 1.5 of that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
No, none. You qualify, you get it. So whatever it takes. What has happened over the years is in addition to Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, they've slid what should be, in my mind, discretionary spending into mandatory. And so I'm the guy that pointed out the conference.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Well, again, they're not stealing it. They just don't realize that how it's financed is by printing money. And they can't afford things because of that. Well, if you're taking other people's money at the point of a gun, it's called theft. Yeah, they try and tax it, but we're not taxing anywhere near enough.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So we're going to have to borrow $2.2 trillion for the next 10 years, every year, at least.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So you're basically paying $10 for a Big Mac and a Coke. Yeah, inflation is a silent tax. It's really nasty. Do you have any hope? I'm not the world's greatest optimist. I mean, how can you be? I fear we've passed the point of no return. The reason I'm digging my heels, and Tucker, I don't want to. I bet you don't. I really don't. I mean, I'm not looking for it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Listen, I love what President Trump is doing. He is such a unique individual, unique political figure, unique president. He is doing things that only he would do. Nobody else would do it. And it's things that have to be done. Okay, so I'm so supportive of most of what he's doing. But this is a once in a lifetime opportunity here. We've never had such an unprecedented level of spending.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Returning to a reasonable level is just so common sense and not that hard. It's not going to be easy. But what I've done in laying out those pre-pandemic options, go back to Bill Clinton, 1998, when we actually had a surplus for the first time in 1969. I don't think we spent too little in 1969 or 1998. Obama in 2014 or Trump in 2019. There are three options.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Leave Social Security, Medicare, and interest as they are. Spend what you need to spend. But for all the other outlays, you just increase them based on population growth and inflation. A very reasonable control, right? Yeah. you end up somewhere between $5.5 and $6.5 trillion.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Now, I would go back to Clinton, recognizing that 9-11 happened after that, so you probably have to plus up defense, although I'd like to hone how we spend our defense dollars. I think we talked about that earlier. I don't think we spend them well. But somewhere between $5.5 and $6.5 trillion. And then I've printed out the budgets, a couple thousand lines.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And then go through those budgets line by line and just ask the question, well, this is what Clinton was spending, fully inflated. Why are we spending this much more? Or this is what Obama spent. Or Trump. Why is it so much more? Explain yourself. Like I said, in business, this would be simple. Yeah.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Again, do you guys realize in 2019, other mandatory, again, not Social Security, not Medicare, not Medicaid, other mandatory, pretty well runs the gamut of other appropriation accounts. That was $642 billion. Last year, fiscal year 2024, that was $1.3 trillion. This year, it's a little over a trillion. And that's pretty much, as far as the eye can see, according to CBO, a trillion dollars.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I'd tell my manager that I said you could increase your budgets based on inflation, the number of customers you serve. You're 10% above that. Cut it. Kind of like, I don't care how you do it, just do it. Get back down to that level. To do it so it doesn't harm our business, so it doesn't harm people's lives, but just do it.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Because what we were spending 1998, 2014, 2019, I think is probably pretty adequate. And by the way, if you go through it line by line, there will be lines I think you look at, scratch your head and go, we probably shouldn't be spending anything on that. I think Doge has taught us that. So, again, Trump, again, I think that was brilliant, what Trump and Elon did with Doge.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But we haven't realized those savings yet. I think we stopped spending on contracts. But unless we set up and pass a rescission package on the discretionary end, unless we take whatever they discovered in mandatory and eliminate that through the reconciliation process –
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Those monies will just be sitting out there unobligated and some Democrat Congress and some Democrat president will spend it without even having to appropriate it.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We did not heed Eisenhower's warning. I think the military industrial complex has way too much power. I would love, and we should do this, is we should go back, at least as far back as Vietnam, and analyze each one of these foreign entanglements, each of these foreign wars, and ask ourselves and gather some basic information. First, what was our goal going in?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Secondly, what did it cost in human life, ours, and our adversary, our enemies? What did it cost in terms of dollars? And then the final question is, did we accomplish the objective? I think if you do that... And I hate to say this because it's true. I mean, we're filming this on Memorial Day. Yeah. The finest among us.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
People who love this country, who've stepped up the plate, willing to serve and sacrifice more than a million, have paid the ultimate price. So I don't even like saying this, but the fact of the matter is... If you did that kind of analysis, you wouldn't walk away very satisfied.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I think it does. So if you were to do that, I mean, I was just recently in Hanoi a couple years ago. What wonderful people. Yeah. They love Americans. I mean, even though they love America because they're entrepreneurs, they're hardworking, they want, like most people in the world, they want what we have. They respect the values of America, the principles of freedom, individual liberty, okay?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We never should have been to war with them. We never should have bombed those people. But follow it all the way through. Afghanistan, Iraq. Syria. Syria. I mean, what have we accomplished with the Ukraine war right now? We have actually solidified the relationship between Russia and China and North Korea and Iran. That's completely opposite of what our goals ought to be. So it's just not working.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I mean, we have not accomplished these goals. They've been miserable failures. How many people died in Iraq based on that false intelligence? The best book I read on Afghanistan is written by special ops folks. And they basically made the point that we'd pretty well accomplish what we need to accomplish in Afghanistan before Tommy Frank ever put a boot on the ground.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So, again, total discretionary spending is about $1.7 trillion. But they've literally slid about a trillion dollars now ongoing of other mandatory or what should be discretionary into what they call now other mandatory spending. A trillion dollars. And I don't think anybody was really aware of that either.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
You know, we said, hey, listen, you guys harbored Al Qaeda. Don't do it anymore. Kind of punish the Taliban. And that's probably where we should have left that. How many Americans lost their lives? How many, you know? Afghanistan citizens lost their lives. What did that cost? It's almost incalculable.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
To date worldwide, there's over 38,000 deaths associated with COVID vaccine. 24% of those to date either occur on the date of vaccination or within one or two days. We're right now burning about a half a trillion dollars a quarter just to get us by into next year. That should shock everybody. That's my whole purpose here. We haven't talked about the numbers.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Again, it's the military-industrial complex. And there are some just basic metrics people use, like percent of GDP spending on defense. We're kind of a low level, and we should be – I mean, we've got right now, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, McConnell, they want to dedicate 5% of GDP to defense. So where are you going to get that money?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I realize we're kind of down to historic low levels, but it's still a trillion dollars. Where are we spending it? That's why I would have loved to have seen somebody like Eric Prince, who wrote an excellent article, Too Big to Win, become defense secretary and really take a look at how are we fighting these wars? What do we need to do to defend America?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I don't think that's necessarily true. Again, you still have that industrial base. You spend a trillion dollars out of a $28 trillion economy, $29 trillion economy. It's a pretty good chunk, but it's not the majority of it. We make a lot of stuff. I think that's kind of a mistaken notion as well. Industrial production continues to rise here. Oh, yeah.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We don't have, again, we become more and more productive. That's a good thing. Again, right now, we don't have enough workers to be manufacturing a whole lot more stuff. I mean, the last thing we should be doing is trying to attract high labor content product back to the U.S. We just don't have enough people to do it. Interesting.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I don't know. I'm just putting the basic numbers. I mean, that's interesting. So what happens to this bill? Well, again, what I'd like to do is split it into two parts. Do the, you know, quite honestly, what has to be done now. And that is provide the funding. I think they're asking way too much. I point this out with Kristi Noem. They're looking for $46 billion for the fence, right?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Or for the wall. Well, in the first Trump term, I can't remember the exact numbers. I think something 485 miles. We spent $6.6 billion. So that's like $14.4 million a mile. Now they want 46 billion? That's built over 3,000 miles. So I asked her, square that circle for me. And she really didn't. She was actually saying they're projecting $12 million.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Yes. This year, we will spend over $7 trillion. So I remember somewhere around during the Obama administration, about when I got elected, 2010, 2011, we had our first trillion dollar a year deficit in 2009. You know, I think it was 1.4 trillion. And we stopped talking about hundreds of billions, which used to move the needle to now trillions.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I was willing to give her 14.4, even though I was in Israel when I was chairman of Homeland Security. They built their very effective fence for less than $2 million a mile. Wow. But lay that aside. So provide border funding. The price you have to pay for that is more defense spending. Bank...
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
What savings we can, you know, take the good work the House has done, bank that savings, extend current tax law, take an automatic tax increase off the table, provide that certainty to the economy, bump up the debt ceiling for a year. To keep pressure on us to come back and then do the big, beautiful bill, we'll consider President Trump's tax proposals. Listen, I'm all for no tax on cash tips.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Can't collect it anyway. So why even try? And that keeps currency circulating through the economy as well. I think that's a good thing. I don't want to go to a government-backed digital security. So that's good. I mean, the other tax proposals he promises to me in the campaign, they're not pro-growth. They're just going to reduce revenue. You know, no tax on overtime.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
You know, I ran a continuing shift operation. I think... The one time and a half or double time is more than enough incentive. We all live under a tax system. Income is income. Why would we increase the regulatory burden on people who administer payroll to cordon off some of the overtime to don't tax it? I mean, it'd just be a pain in the butt.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
You can be a nonprofit by not making a profit. Right. I've done that too. I still pay taxes. If you're a university, a church, something like that, you bring in revenue, you spend it, you've got no profit. You're a non-profit.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
The other reason I wanted to split this into two parts is we need to take the time to go line by line, to do a doge impact on the entire budget, to find the outrageous spending, eliminate what people won't even notice, but also to simplify and rationalize our tax system. We have a grotesquely Complex tax system.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So simplify it. Again, using basic principles. Don't try and socially and economically engineer the tax code. We're terrible at it. You can't. You're not that smart. So raise the revenue you need. Try not to do any economic or social harm. So that would imply a very simple tax system. They always say lower the rates, broaden the base. But personally, I've done well in this country.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I don't mind having a progressive tax rate. I really don't. Certainly exempting a certain amount of income so people can live without having to pay tax and stuff. But within those confines, keep it as absolutely simple as possible. Now, one thing I know is there's nothing simple about simplifying the tax code. I mean, everybody's got their little tax break.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And even right now, one of the reasons I'm not looking forward to this – ordeal that's going to come about over the next couple of weeks as I dig my heels in is a lot of people that support President Trump have supported me. They want no tax and overtime. By the way, if all you live on is Social Security, the chance of you paying a dollar tax on that is almost infinitesimal.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So we don't tax Social Security right now. But let's face it, if you have Social Security and you have income above that, why should you exempt some of your income? I think us oldsters have stolen enough from younger generations. I mean, you see the wealth transfer. I used to have a chart on this, but the transfer of wealth From young to old over the decades, it's literally immoral. It's immoral.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I've noticed. So let's not exacerbate that problem. It's disgusting. And again, if you can do something on taxes, again, I don't want to increase people's taxes, but I don't think this is a point in time to be cutting taxes that aren't incentivizing growth. And again, I'd rather not be incentivizing growth. Again, trying to use the tax code to try and come up with some way to incentivize growth.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Just keep it simple, uncomplicated, rational. Income is income. Basic principles like wherewithal to pay. Approach all of these things with principles. The big problem in the house, what was the goal there? I would think the goal of this Republican budget reconciliation would be to reduce the deficits. Seems like in the House, the only goal was to pass one big, beautiful bill by Memorial Day.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
You know, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, it just doesn't seem that much. Yeah. $4,400 billion spent in 2019, $7,000 billion spent this year, projected to spend $7,300 billion next year. And now let's kind of bring this back to the debate that we're talking about on the one big beautiful bill.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Great. You achieved your goal. But you didn't solve our fiscal situation. You didn't even come close.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Well, it needs presidential leadership. And he needs to get behind fixing this problem. Now, he said in the State of the Union he's going to balance the budget. Fine. But I know in his mind, he thinks he's going to balance a budget with tariff revenue. I'm sorry, tariffs are a tax. We're not quite sure who pays them. Whereas the foreign companies, the foreign countries, the U.S.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
consumer, again, the instance of tax is never particularly certain, but tariffs raise the cost of goods. For what? Again, there's no doubt there's certain products, high-end semiconductors, pharmaceuticals, rare earth minerals. We got to be basic in those. We have to produce these here just from a standpoint of national security.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Is there a better way of doing that than just generalized increasing a tax, which is what a tariff is? I would argue there probably is. How about this? We just give you a tax holiday for five or 10 years. Again, you've got a high-end semiconductor plant in a different country. We're not collecting the tax on it anyway.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It's no skin off our you-know-whats to just, well, come on over here, produce that here. We'll just give you a 10-year tax. Talk to the people who are going to invest in it. What's it going to take? How long a tax holiday? What's reasonable? Incentivize it that way. But don't incentivize it by mucking up our tax code or, I'd say even worse, things like the CHIPS Act where you pay money
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
to grifters that don't really fulfill their end of the bargain. Again, we're just not good at doing these things. The free market's not perfect, but it is the most efficient allocator of capital. So, I mean, you provide somebody a tax holiday, and I think you can bring those things back. You're pretty good. Plus, permitting reform.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
If you want to do precursor chemicals for pharmaceuticals, I mean, you got to permit the refineries. You got to permit the mines if you're going to mine rare earth minerals and if you're going to refine those things. So, again, we have to look at this, but it requires presidential leadership to go make the case, the logical case, right?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And that, from my standpoint, in terms of me digging my heels in, I'm a reasonable guy. But you're not going to sell me just by saying, you got to pass one big, beautiful bill. I'm tired of the rhetoric. I'm not prone to slogans. It's like, lay out the case.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
If you can lay out the case that we are promoting growth and this is what the revenue is going to be and this is how we actually shrink the deficit and this is how we avoid a debt crisis, I want to be on board. I want to see this president succeed.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Well, it's interesting. There's a fair number that are coalescing around the number. And I've never really, I've laid out options, but I've never dug my heels in on a number for a pre-pandemic level spending. But I've laid it out, I think, logically enough. Most people are, you know, there's a pretty big group say that it should be no more than $6.5 trillion in the next fiscal year.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So that implies about an $800 billion increase. difference between what we're expected to spend, which would be about $8 trillion of spending reduction over 10 years. It's a long ways from the $1.5 trillion.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Again, what I've always said is I need a commitment to return to a reasonable pre-pandemic level spending, realizing we have to get the votes, but maybe even more importantly, a process to achieve and maintain it. And that's that line by, do the work, but it'll take time to do the work, but we need a commitment. I can't do it. I don't have access to all the information.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We really need, and what I proposed in one of my Wall Street Journal columns was a budget review panel made up of senators, House members, staff of the OMB, Office of Management and Budget. I mean, those are the guys that know their stuff.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And then have this as a review panel and bring up, just like in business, budget review meeting, bring up the department heads with their budget gurus and stuff and explain it. Go line by line. Again, why are you spending so much more than a fully inflated Bill Clinton level or Obama or Trump? I mean, explain yourself. Why should we be spending even a dime on this category right here?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So you've got top lines within the federal government, more than 2,000 lines. Under each one of those lines, there's probably... Hundreds of lines between all those. So you got a lot of work to do, but it doesn't get done if you try and rush this thing through. And now by July 4th is what would be the goal for the Senate.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So I want to break this up into two parts to give us the time to go through that budget line by line. Will you get it? Right now, I think I've got at least four that will dig their heels in and say, again, we want to see you succeed. We want to pass this. We want to pass something. We'll pass what must be passed now.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Again, we've already set this up in the Senate with our budget resolution to provide the defense and border funding plus $850 billion in savings. Tack that onto the House where we extend current tax law and increase the debt ceiling. By the way, that's going to be a massive amount. It should shock everybody what we're going to have to increase the debt ceiling for just to get us by another year.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So federal revenue will be, according to CBO, 18.1, even though it's about 17.1. But they're projecting that we're going to have an automatic tax increase next year. So they bumped that to 18.1. And federal spending is going to be about 23.4, 23.5%. So that deficit spending, where does that money come from? We borrow it or we print it. By the way, put this in even better historical context.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Probably be $2 to $2.5 trillion because we have to refill the extraordinary measures that, you know, the buckets they've taken from to extend the debt ceiling. We're right now burning about a half a trillion dollars a quarter.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So you're talking, if you extend it next year, five quarters at half a trillion dollars, that's $2.5 trillion. Just to get us by into next year. That should shock everybody. And that's my whole purpose here. is we haven't talked about the numbers. We haven't put this in context of the big mess we're in, the deep hole we've dug ourselves. And I'm just going to force that debate.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I'm not trying to be obstinate. I'll probably be accused of grandstanding. I'd rather not do this. I'd rather have the House having really succeeded and the president totally behind, again, returning to pre-pandemic level spending, but somebody's got to do it.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
No, we're getting sicker. And again, that's shifting gears into, you know, really the failure of our healthcare system of establishment medicine, of pharmaceutically driven medicine. They call it Rockefeller medicine. This is where I've been so supportive. Why do they call it Rockefeller medicine? He's really one that really pushed, you know, pharmaceutical drug companies.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Way back when, I don't understand the full history, but again, that's all petrochemical-based, chemistry-based, and rather than really focusing on health, it's all, we've got a pill for this. Here's an example, and I think this is true, but there was a debate in terms of what caused heart disease. Is it too much sugar? Is it cholesterol? Yes.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
From the pharmaceutical industry standpoint, they had a drug to lower cholesterol. Statins. So guess what they chose? Cholesterol. The winner. The winner because we've got a drug to manage that. Now, there are all kinds of emerging serious side effects of statins. One that I read about was sudden hearing loss. Guess who lost their hearing just like that? Who? Me.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Two weeks after I returned from Moscow, I just lost my hearing. Just like stepped out of the shower and I lost my hearing, my balance in an instant.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
In my right ear. So you start researching all this. NIH reviewed me because it thought it might have been Havana syndrome. Yes. But as I got involved in the whole COVID and I— got to meet all these doctors who had a second opinion that weren't going along with the narrative, that had the courage and compassion to actually treat COVID patients that took seriously the vaccine injured.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It just connects you to just alternate opinions, alternate thinking. And one of them laid out the listed side effects of statins, and one of them is sudden hearing. A lot of people were thinking it could be a main driver of Alzheimer's. But again, they'll never admit it because that's a multi-billion dollar industry right there.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
People are saying that. I don't know. I'm not a doctor, not a medical researcher, but my eyes have been opened.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
If that's true, that's, I mean, that's. I mean, people are making, are positing that. I will say since I, so I took myself off statins. I've had a number of health conditions that just improved as a result. Seriously? Yeah. I was complaining for years, quite honestly. So they put me on statins when I went in for a CT scan and they saw calcium buildup on what they call the widow maker.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But that's external. I can always bust through the arterial wall and cause real problems. But I had a heart catheterization a couple of years ago. I woke up from that and go, man, I wish my plumbing was as clean as yours. So I don't know, was it because I was on statins all those years?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
In 1930, less than 100 years ago, the federal government spent 3.1% of our GDP. State and local governments back then spent 9.1%. So that was pretty much the vision of our founding fathers, a limited federal government
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But I know I was going, being treated because I was having pretty severe dizzy spells, almost point of passing out frequently, you know, going up a step, whatever. I took myself off statins under doctor's care. That's gone. What? I'll give you another one. This is, so I also, this is very personal. This is strange I'm getting into this, but. It's a safe space.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So, I've always had acid reflux for years, okay? And so, I was on everything, you know, Zantac and Prilosec and then Nexium, which, by the way, were great in terms of relieving symptoms, but also have some pretty nasty side effects. So, again, you know, reading these alternate opinions on stuff, hydroxychloric, no, hydrochloric acid has been known for decades to be a digestive aid.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
The theory behind what causes acid reflux is you don't have enough stomach acid. You're not digesting the food properly. You're not providing the signal to the, I guess, sphincter muscle, whatever, that closes your stomach off from your esophagus. So what you do to solve it is you introduce more acid in the form of a natural vegetarian-based diet. and that's called hydrochloric acid.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So I take one tablet now before my evening meal. I miss it probably at least half the time. I don't have it anymore. So I don't take any of that stuff anymore. This worked far better. It's just completely natural. It's completely opposite of what all these other patented drugs do for you.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So it's just HCL, and they call it baiting or something like that, but it's just an over-the-counter supplement, and it's worked great. I mean, you would think, given what we've... So I will get all kinds of guff for talking about this stuff. Why? Because that's what they do. This is...
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
How does that work? It will be because the pharmaceutical industrial complex, again, it's all about drugs that can treat chronic illness, which is why you can't talk about these things, which is why they completely sabotaged the early treatment of COVID using things like hydroxychloroquine and particularly ivermectin. which I heard story because, yeah, I was the tip of the spear.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
within the constraints of the enumerated powers, and most governing at the point of the states, state and local governments, where it's more accountable, more efficient, more effective. We've blown that up. Now the federal government's spending close to 24%. State and local governments are over 16%. So now total government spending is about 40%.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I got all kinds of people calling me what doctors treat this. And so I heard the amazing stories of recovery with ivermectin. We will hold a hearing on this. There's one attorney. that got called in to sue a hospital because somebody's loved one was in the hospital and they were begging them to use ivermectin. The hospital just refused.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So this lawyer went in there and sued, was successful, saved that person's life. So in the end, because he did this, I think he had something, this is a rough number, something like 200 families that he went to court for to force the hospitals to use ivermectin or budesonide or some of these other drugs, right? He won about half the cases.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Of those 100 cases, I think he lost two or a couple of patients. Otherwise, they all survived. Of the 100 cases he lost, they all died. Whoa. So you take a look at these hospital protocols. There's a great documentary, Vax 3, that really goes through this and just talks about the hospital protocols using remdesivir, which the nurses called run-death-is-near.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
The anti-fouci said this is the treatment, even though whatever study it was, they changed the endpoint from death to just days in hospital. which I don't think even that was true. The number of conflicts of the people reviewing that that were associated with Gilead. I mean, the WHO recommended against using remdesivir, and yet we still use it.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I mean, you see what happened during COVID, thoroughly corrupt. And, you know, we just had our hearing on the signals on myocarditis, which they completely downplayed, hid for months on the COVID injection.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I would say the... Primary reason at this point in time is because in 1997, Clinton, through regulation, allowed pharmaceutical companies to advertise. And you look at those ads, you don't have any idea what those drugs do.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Most countries allow that. No, only America and New Zealand allow that.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And so you take a look at those ads. I have no idea what any of those drugs are treating other than they allow dogs to jump higher and people to play around the pool. Make your wife hotter. Yeah. I mean, they look wonderful. Yeah. And then if you listen to the side effects, you know, spoken, you know, possible death, you know, it's like... Again, I sold plastic. I'm used to marketing.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
There is no way anybody would spend a dollar, a dime on an ad for a product where you got to list all the horrible side effects. Why do they do it? It's not to sell... Again, you don't know what the drug is for. They're not selling those drugs. No, they are buying the narrative. Exactly. I worked in the media my whole life. And that is what we saw during COVID. I mean, that's what...
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It's three times what it was back less than 100 years ago. And I would argue, as government grows, our freedoms necessarily recede. Of course. Because government has more claim on your income, or they borrow money, which causes inflation, which is a silent tax.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Completely opened up my eyes.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I ran in 2010 after I'd given a Tea Party speech. And two things I said, which my campaign guy said, never say that again, is I defended big oil and big pharma. I said, what, am I the only guy that likes a gas station every corner of the town because I run it down to empty? Or am I the only one that wants a life-saving new drug? Yeah. By the way, there are wonderful drugs. For sure.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
There are that we need, particularly in acute care. But we do need, and this is what, again, I give Bobby Kennedy and Trump so much credit for laying aside their political differences, joining an alliance to focus on a problem that they both agree that needs to be solved, and it's chronic illness. Bobby Kennedy says 75% of our healthcare spending is on chronic illness.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And so I just laid out, you know, I had a chronic condition. acid reflux, GERD, and kept treating with all these pharmaceuticals. They weren't cheap. Prilosec, Nexium, they're not cheap. Alleviated the symptoms but didn't fix it. I go to something that just is far cheaper, I think works better. I don't even have to take it every day.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I think I've probably replenished the acid in my stomach, which declines with age. And so, I mean, every other day I take one, if I remember it as an evening meal, pretty well solved the condition. I have cured a chronic, I'm not treating it anymore. I was treating it with Prilosec and Nexium. I pretty well cured it. Now, I still take this because it's a digestive aid.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It's like you eat the right stuff.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Well, it can. You ought to use your influence with President Trump to make sure he supports Bobby if he decides to do that. But we should do that. And again, I'm a free market guy.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
You know, I had a public event, and it was really based on your interview with Casey and Callie Means. And so we put that together. Bobby Kennedy showed up, and we had a bunch of social media influencers on nutrition. And one of the witnesses specializing, he's a psychiatrist specializing in nutrition's impact on mental health, I think probably made the best little snippet of testimony.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
He said, you know, They don't want to know the root cause of chronic illness. Again, who's they? I remember you asked that too. What's that? Catherine Whitt?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
You asked her, who are they?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I ask that of myself all the time. My guess is they attend Davos.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But I thought that was a very interesting comment. They don't want to know the root cause. Of course. Because if they find out it is some pharmaceutical product or some pesticide or some herbicide or some toxin in our food, that's going to disrupt multi-billion dollar business models. And those businesses are fully engaged in lobbying.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
They're fully engaged and have captured our regulatory agencies. I'm talking about, listen, government is power, right? That's a pretty good definition of government. It's power, right? And as Lord Acton aptly stated, power corrupts. And so what has happened over the decades is these businesses, I have a great deal of sympathy for them being over-regulated by big government, right?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But they're smart, especially the big ones. They got smart people there. So not only do they figure out how to survive with over-regulation, they learn how to capture it.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And then they capture it for their benefit to the detriment of their competitors, right? particularly smaller competitors, and detriment of the American public. And that is what has happened, I would say, across the board in government, whether it's pharmaceuticals, whether it's military industrial complex, whether it's our big food. That's, in my mind, that's the hope.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
My guess is it's more than 50%. And, of course, that's the death knell of a democracy is when the population, the voting public, realizes they can vote themselves benefits at the expense of somebody else. And what they don't realize, the expenses, it's costing them all because the massive deficit spending, because we're not taking enough revenue to cover the expenditures.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
That's what I want to see Donald Trump defeat. And he first defeated by exposing it. People have to understand this is what's happened. But certainly what I learned, you learned, Bobby Kennedy learned during COVID, it is very difficult to defeat back then what I called the COVID cartel. There's a powerful group of interests and they're not going away.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Well, just on VAERS alone, I think we're over 38,000 deaths associated with the COVID vaccine. VAERS is the federally created vaccine adverse event reporting system. Yes.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Now, some conditions are mandatory to be reported, but they're still not. The two complaints about or hits on VAERS is it doesn't prove causation, but it also dramatically understates the number of adverse events because people just don't report them. Sometimes you don't connect the dots. So on VAERS system to date worldwide, there's over 38,000 deaths associated with COVID vaccine.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And 24% of those to date either occur on the date of vaccination or within one or two days. Wow. Yeah, I know someone who was killed by it. You know, we saw all these athletes dropping like flies on the field. You saw newscasters just toppling over from their anchor chair. And like... That wasn't reported. You'd get it through social media.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
You might have a local news story, but there's no national news media that'd hop down and say, what is happening here?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It was all denied.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Yeah. Yeah. It's all that exercise they do.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I think they're primarily calling it long COVID now. Okay. That's their excuse. And even those that are vaccine injured. want to think it's just along COVID. I mean, nobody wants to admit that they maybe should have taken a little more time, gotten a little more educated about this experimental COVID injection. They don't want to think there may be a ticking time bomb in terms of turbo cancers.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But again, more and more evidence is coming out that in tumors, they find the spike protein. The spike protein, as well as the modified RNA, it's not true mRNA, that does degrade very rapidly, circling the body for months, possibly years. Again, they're finding the spike protein in autopsied hearts, in tumors. We know from people like Kevin McKernan that there was DNA contamination.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It can't integrate into the cell, could cause cancer. Again, I hate talking about it because I know 70%, 80% of Americans got vaccinated. They don't want to hear about it at all. No, they don't. They want to just move on. That's why it's so difficult to hold people accountable for this.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We haven't put this in context of the big mess we're in, the deep hole we've dug ourselves. And I'm just going to force that debate.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
That's what has eroded the value of our dollar. That's what caused 40-year high inflation. And that hurts everybody.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
By the way, so I talked to Barbara Lowe Fisher, who was the mom who really pushed that thing through. That law itself does not provide liability.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It was regulations kind of the wink, wink, nod, nod to get it passed that they... promulgated regulations that actually provide that liability protection. And again, it wasn't It wasn't just for the three vaccines, I think, at the time that were on the schedule. It exempted all future vaccines, which has led to an explosion. Because, again, the greatest risk... There's no downside.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Yeah, I mean, you just keep cranking these things out. They aren't tested in a true placebo-controlled trial. Sometimes the trial period, as meager as it is, only lasts for a week. It's just... And this is, you know, Aaron Seery testified at our hearing last week, and he's expert at all this in terms of the American public would be shocked at how little testing these vaccines actually receive.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But you have this, it's almost a religion issue. around the safety and efficacy of vaccines. I mean, I understand that. It's such an elegant solution, isn't it? Just a 100% safe shot in the arm and you never have to worry about that.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
From government levels. Again, I shouldn't even say because I haven't checked that figure. Yeah. My guess is probably more than 50%. I mean, when you consider all the entitlements, whether it's Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and people say, oh, that's my money. Well... In some cases, it is. Most people probably get more out of Social Security than they actually did put in.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Because, because... There were so many injuries manifesting themselves before that law was passed that those manufacturers are going to be sued out of existence. And again, the religion and faith that these vaccines are just so crucial. Even though you read a book like Dissolving Illusions, you realize the main reason most of these diseases were eradicated is because we no longer live in squalor.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Right. We have sewers. We have sanitation. Right. Okay, so you see the chart coming down here, and then the vaccines start occurring here, and yeah, the tail goes out. And vaccines may have eradicated some of these diseases. I don't deny that. But the main thing is we actually improve sanitation. And what we are ignoring now is treatment. And that came out with COVID.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
The reason I got into this is I'm chairman of Homeland Security. I'm the only guy holding hearings on this stuff because none of this stuff makes sense. So why are they just pillorying something like hydroxychloroquine? I mean, if it works, give it a shot. I mean, what's the harm? It's incredibly safe. Ivermectin. But that was completely sabotaged.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
All for the purpose of forcing this injection, what they call the vaccine, on everybody as a solution. Why aren't we talking about treating disease? Measles. Why aren't we focusing on treatment? Again, I'm telling these doctors, generally a very treatable disease. Just about any disease can kill you. Okay, but a lot of diseases can be treated.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We ought to be focusing a lot more, from my standpoint, on treatment as opposed to
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
loading up our children our infants with dozens and dozens of doses and not even asking the question so okay have these been thoroughly tested i mean have we tested giving multiple vaccines at the same dose i mean every time you put a vaccine in somebody's arm you're messing with their immune system why do we have all these autoimmune diseases nowadays You know, what is causing autism?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I mean, we're just not able to ask the question because to get back to my witness in that last event is they don't want to know.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Again, but that's what they do. So during COVID, a quick story here. I was on a telephone town hall, and this is when Omicron was ramping up. And this is already by the time we've got a partisan split on COVID. I mean, Republicans don't wear masks. Democrats do. Republicans aren't freaked out by it. Democrats are. But, again, I'm talking to these doctors.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I know they were very concerned, for example, on Delta, that variant. It was more difficult to treat. They had to, like, double and triple the dose of ivermectin to have it actually be effective. So, you know, nobody knew what was going to happen with Omicron. I think people were thinking it looked like it was going to be more mild.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I'm on a telephone town hall with my constituents, probably a couple thousand, and I said, listen, take this seriously. COVID can still be a deadly disease. So whether you're vaccinated or not vaccinated, there are things you can do, vitamin D. You can gargle. That helps reduce the viral load. Within 10 minutes...
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Certainly do that out of Medicare, certainly out of Medicaid. Nobody puts any money into that. That all comes out of the general funds. So we have food stamps. We have all these trillions of dollars worth of transfer payments.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
my comms team were being contacted by national news outlets saying, what's this that we're hearing that Johnson's saying that Listerine will replace the vaccine. Now, of course I said, nothing of the kind.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I just said, you know, there are things you can do to help protect yourself, you know, and they actually went so far as to go up to the governor of, uh, uh, I guess it was New Hampshire knocked on his door, Republican governor and said, Hey, what do you think about this wacko? Republican Senator says that vaccines can, or Listerine can replace the vaccines. So, well,
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
When batshit crazy knocks on your door, slam the door in his face. I mean, that was the... So, again, what they do... That was what Sununu said? Yeah, what they do... Really one of the worst people ever attempted politics. What they do is they discredit people. So then once they've done that, you know, whether... as falsely as they discredit you, now you're discredited.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So now, next time, next thing that comes up that is true that you're talking about, he's thoroughly discredited. This guy's discredited. He's discredited. That is what they do. Just like, you know, the CIA used the conspiracy theorist. just call some of your conspiracy theorists and then you don't have to listen to them anymore. This guy's obviously in that case.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So, no, I've lived this up close and personal.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Well, I try and tell established members of the medical profession that they ought to be concerned that a very large percentage of American people simply don't trust them anymore. Like at all. And that's not good. That's not good. Yep. Well, I think they're evil.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
When I was chairman of the European Subcommittee on Foreign Relations, we had, I think, Garry Kasparov come in and talk about Russian disinformation. Yeah. And I thought it was interesting because Russia is not trying to convince you of something with their disinformation. They just want people not to trust anything. That is the whole purpose of their disinformation.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Well, again, when I ran in 2010, we'd just experienced our first deficits in excess of a trillion dollars. We were spending about $3.5 trillion a year, 3.5. So it's more than double just since 2010? Yeah, yes.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
That's a really good question. So as somebody from the private sector, I avoided lawyers in the judicial process like a plague. Me too. So it's not, you know, I'm not... overly enthused about saying, but we need to expose vaccines to that check and balance, okay? And we do. I would say we have to cap awards. I mean, there's got to be something. I agree. Because we do need pharmaceutical companies.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
You know, I want those life-saving new drugs.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
No, I agree. But it's got to be based on solid science. And that's why I really think the root cause, I mean, the thing that Bobby Kennedy must address... is we have to restore integrity to science. Eisenhower warned us about this in his farewell address.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It doesn't get as much coverage, but public financing of science and research would lead to a scientific and technological elite to drive public policy. I would view that corrupted. So when you pay for science, you get the result you want, whether it's climate change, whether it's vaccines, whether it's drugs and that type of thing. We need to restore integrity. You know, peer review is a joke.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Peer reviewers are basically volunteering. So you'll get peer reviewers who might have a different paper themselves and they just discredit that. So what is truth? So you have to restore integrity to science. There's got to be like everybody from opposing sides have to be at the table. You've got to make your data available. Some of these studies are published. Nobody gets to see the data.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So that, I think, is the first step that Bobby has to accomplish is try and restore integrity, particularly for government-funded science.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
What is so off base about that is the only reason I'm... And looking at this is because the then chairman of the permanent subcommittee investigation, now I'm chair, but Senator Blumenthal, he wanted to do this investigation on Saudi's negotiation with PGA. And he's doing it because he's from Connecticut and got 9-11 families. They want to know what Saudi involvement was. Yes, fair. Yeah.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I didn't agree with that. I thought this is a private sector negotiation. Let them take care of that, okay? But he did it anyway. So leading up to a pretty well-publicized hearing, I started getting 9-11 family members see me in the hallway. They would literally in the hallway in Congress.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I remember I announced in April of 2010, started my campaign in basically June 2010 doing parades. And what I would shout is this is a fight for freedom. We're mortgaging our children's future. It's wrong. It's immoral. It has to stop. That was my campaign theme. Again, we were $14 trillion in debt, spending $3.5 trillion. Now, we're almost $37 trillion in debt.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And they would have a heavily redacted document they got from the FBI in terms of what the Saudi involvement was in 9-11, what we knew. And they asked me, can you please get this unredacted? We want to know what the government knows about these things. Now, this is 20-some years after 9-11. It's probably about time. So in the hearing—
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I asked Senator Blumenthal, would you join me in requesting from the Biden administration this information from the 9-11 family? Well, he had to. But the bottom line is, I got down this road because the 9-11 families want to know the answer. And once I opened up that inquiry. Now I start getting all kinds of information.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I can't answer the question. All I can say is it raises my suspicion. Yeah. And then when you start gaining, again, I'm I'm just as prone to everybody else going, that's wacko. Yeah, me too. But then you start getting the information and you start going, wow, is that weird?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Building number seven, you see it come down, and we've all watched because it's cool to watch these buildings being demolished. Boom, just free fall. Well, the only way that happens is if you remove all of their supports at the same time. You blow them all out so that a building can really free fall.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
If it's collapsing something else, it's like, you know, you build like a fire and it collapses off to the side or something, right? So that was pretty strange. But, you know, the more documentaries I look at this stuff, the more information I receive. You talk to guys like Richard Gage, the head of the architects for 9-11 Truth.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
They feed you information and you start asking a lot of questions and you just realize there's... There's a lot here that simply has not been answered. The firefighters want to know. There was never a steel structure building that ever collapsed because of a fire.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It's like, anyway, the point is— And you also have people, because they never explored explosions, but there, you know, a guy named Graham McQueen researched this. He dug up, you know, footage filmed at Ground Zero, 156 witnesses, you know, first responders saying they heard explosions before the buildings came down. So what is, I mean, trust me, there are a lot of unanswered questions.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I mean, things that you just... Can't explain that. So I'm not sure where it goes. I know you had Kurt Weldon on. He's got a lot of information on kind of the before and after. Because he's connected to the firefighting community, the firefighters want to know. So there are some very legitimate questions, a lot of them, that remain unanswered. All swept under the rug.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
They were, and you look at this, news reporters are talking about explosions. By the next day, nobody was. There's a lot of power.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We're spending $7,000 billion, $7 trillion. And CBO projects... Over the next 10 years, we will add another $22 trillion to the debt. That's what our projected deficits over the next 10 years is, $22 trillion. Again, that's assuming about a $4 trillion increase because taxes are scheduled to automatically increase.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
No. Don't think I've ever heard of it. Really? Yeah, I figured the Twin Towers came down. Again, I'm not a New Yorker. It affected all of us. We all saw them come down. We said, the world has changed. This changed the world. And it did.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Not for the better.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Okay, this is a seminal event in our lifetime. And the fact that there's so many unanswered questions, that the Bush administration was so resistant to even a 9-11 commission, that the commissioners claimed that it was set up to fail, that you've got a Bob Kerry who's since passed said this is a 30-year conspiracy. It's, I mean... I could go on and on.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Yeah. Of Nebraska? Yeah, the comment, comment. Received the Medal of Honor in Vietnam, by the way. He's kind of walking away and going, this is a 30-year conspiracy. What do you mean by that? Nobody ever found out. So, again, I'm just throwing out little snippets. But, as I said, it's... It's amazing the questions that you see, the legitimate questions that have been raised that remain unanswered.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
That's all I can say. All I have is questions right now. I don't have any answers.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But my question is, you just came at this cold, though. Yeah, no, this was not something that I was hankering to delve into. No. No, it's kind of like Bobby Kennedy, how he got involved in childhood vaccines. Yes. He was giving all these speeches on the environment, and all these moms would show up with their T-shirts.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And he kept them at bay for quite some time until one of the moms found out where he lived, came to his house with a stack of science, which he knew how to read because he was an environmental lawyer, and said, I'm not going to leave until you read this. And to his credit, he sat down and read it. And further to his credit, once he read it, once his eyes were open, he couldn't close them.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
As much as he probably wanted to, as much as he realized the morass he was stepping into... I can't close my eyes. I can't. And, you know, particularly with childhood vaccine injuries, it's bad enough with the COVID vaccine. I mean, you know, the Ernest Ramirez, you know, lost his son. I mean, it's just heartbreaking.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I mean, Facebook dissolving these groups that were the only lifeline for some of these vaccine injured and they started committing suicide afterwards because they lost that connection that they didn't have before these groups. But, I mean, you look at the documentary just Vaxxed, and you see these parents, and they have the video of a perfectly normal child, and they take them in for a well visit.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So they get a vaccine. That night they spike a fever, have a seizure. Now they've got a 26-year-old son who is extremely autistic, can't verbalize, acts up as—I mean, it's just— It's horrible. And you see the stats where you go from, it's hard to verify the 10,001, but I mean, we know by CDC's own hundreds to one to now 30 something to one.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
By the way, while they've actually narrowed the definition of autism, they didn't expand it, they narrowed it. What's causing that? And after the makers of Vaxxed went on a road trip with a bus premiering this thing, and other parents would come up to the bus, and so they started videotaping their stories. And they got something like 10,000 stories of parents, almost identical.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It's like perfectly normal child, got the video to prove it, go in within that night or within days. Yeah. You start looking at the increase in SIDS versus the increase of the vaccine schedule. Again, I'm not a doctor, not a medical researcher. My eyes have just been opened up to how so much information, so many questions, probably the best way to put it, have just been suppressed.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
You can't even ask them. Anybody who does... gets marginalized, vilified, discredited, and that's how they battle this. They don't battle it with the truth. In my public events, I always invited the federal officials. I always invited the executives from the big pharma. Come in and defend yourself. This is an open forum. I'll give you plenty of time. I'll be very fair. Speak your piece.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
If those taxes don't increase, first of all, I'm not sure you get the full $4 trillion. But again, take $4 trillion away if we extend current tax law, which is I'm in favor of that. I don't want to increase anybody's taxes. But I don't think this is necessarily time to do additional tax cuts, particularly when those things aren't focused toward economic growth. But anyway, just real quick.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I want to hear from you. They won't do it. They will. I mean, Peter Hotez famously, you know, Mr. Vaccine Pusher gets offered what? What was the final offer? Two point some million dollars? Sit down and argue with not a doctor, a lawyer. Yeah. You know, just debate RFK Jr. And he wouldn't even do it.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Well, it starts with Building 7.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Where you look at that and it just, yeah, I mean, this is really weird. You know, it does come down just like a, you know, building demolition type of project. You get a documentary of this Alaskan structural engineering professor that does a four-year study on it. Pretty well debunks NIST's analysis. Again, you don't have to be a structural engineer to say this really doesn't make sense.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
When you start putting together at what temperature steel melts, they had molten steel in the twin towers. I'm not sure we had a number seven. But if one column expanded, went off kilter, and that's what brought the whole thing down, well... It wouldn't come down so symmetrically. You wouldn't have a free fall.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Then you get deeper into it, and, you know, there was a—I think his name was Barry Jennings. He was there, went up there. They'd already cleared out Building 7, even though he went up there to their command center and— Somebody goes, get out of there.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It was literally predicted to come down, even though, again, a steel-structured building had never collapsed due to fire because they're protected that way. He heard explosions. He got down to the sixth floor and had to go back up to eighth because something had been blown out. Again, what? What caused all this?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
No, I mean, they did, it was damaged, but even this says, you know, not significant damage by the Twin Towers falling. So again, there's just so many things. I mean, you could spend quite some time. I mean, the ash contains residual of both burnt and unburnt thermite, which is used to demolish buildings and it's military grade and there's nanoparticle thermite.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And you have all these metal spheres that you, you only get these iron spheres with extreme temperatures and again, jet fuel burns at below, I think a thousand degrees of Fahrenheit. And again, nothing's adding up. I mean, you know, just structurally, just basic engineering, basic physics. It doesn't make sense. So I would like to, you know, NIST took years to conclude, conclude their report. Uh,
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
To just a layperson, it doesn't make sense, particularly when you listen to the structural engineering professor just nuke the explanation. They never looked at a plausibility of some kind of controlled demolition. They never put in their report all these reports of people saying there were explosions. There's just so much ignored. In fact, the Bush administration –
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
dragged their feet, obstructed, setting up a 9-11 commission. Again, I could go on and on and on and on. I don't have any answers. I just have a host of questions.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We are projecting deficits for the next 10 years of a minimum of $2.2 trillion. And I would argue that is a rosy scenario. And particularly when you take a look at what they've done with the one big, beautiful bill, they're not seriously reducing spending to what I've been calling for as a pre-pandemic level. Again, the danger is spouting out too many numbers here.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Why isn't there? My guess is because they are very effective at marginalizing and discrediting anybody who can answer questions. But why would they want to hide the truth? I... You have to know exactly what they're trying to hide to be able to answer that question. I can't.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And by the way, it wasn't like I went out of my way and had an interview just on this. I mean, I was asked a question, probably wandered into a space I maybe shouldn't have wandered into. But again, I was just describing all the ways the federal government has lied to us. Yes. And Yeah, I've been— You're part of the federal government, by the way.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I've been targeted by the FBI's misinformation campaign on Hunter Biden's computer. I mean, they've given me BS briefings to throw me off the trail. So I've seen this. Again, I didn't run for the U.S. Senate because I wanted to get involved in investigations. I ran because we were mortgaging our kids' future because I knew Obamacare wouldn't work. but you become chairman of Homeland Security.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Within, immediately, you've got the Hillary Clinton email scandal. That's in our committee's jurisdiction, federal records, plus for the Oversight Committee. So you start doing those investigations, and just one investigation just morphs into another.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
The same cast of characters, the FBI that wrote the exoneration memo for James Comey, transferring the Crossfire Hurricane to the group that, you know, Vindman and the... And the impeachment inquiry of Trump, I mean, you just see it all. And your eyes are opened up to the total corruption of these federal government agencies.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And you realize we've just been lied to over and over and over and over again throughout history, at least, you know, history that's recent in my past.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I would ask you the same question. Why have you been so instrumental in broadening the Overton window on some of these things? And of course, the Overton window is all about, this is what you can discuss without threat or without risk. But you got to go beyond that.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
In my case, I have a responsibility. I was chairman of the Senate Oversight Committee. So again, you start there. Hillary Clinton has this email scandal. That's my committee's jurisdiction. That has to be investigated. I can't turn a blind's eye toward that. And then like Bobby Kennedy, once your eyes are open to this, you also can't turn a blind's eye.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But I think it's just the empathy you have for the vaccine injured. Again, I didn't reach out to them because I was holding hearings because nobody else was on early treatment. When I still have the chairmanship, people start reaching out to you and then you become aware of these people that are completely being gaslit or being ignored.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I just want to put this in perspective. President Obama, over the course of his eight years, his average deficit was $910 billion. Over the last, and I want to quickly do this so I'm accurate, over the last four years of his administration, it was about $550 billion, okay? So half a trillion dollar deficit over his last four years. President Trump came into office in his first three years
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I mean, I could not believe in that Milwaukee event I held in June 2021, where I met Brianne Dressen and Maddie DeGarry and other vaccine injured Cheryl Rutgers. Again, I was hoping there would be some measure of sympathy expressed by the news media. They would ask them their stories. You know, tell us about your experience.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Now, the first question was, hey, Ken Reckers, you just want to try and make money off of a lawsuit here? Is that why you're doing this? So... You develop an empathy for these people. And then, you know, listen, I'm not a New Yorker. I wasn't impacted any more than the world was by 9-11. Not anywhere like the firefighters who lost their loved ones or the 9-11 families.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But then they come up to you, and they're literally begging you, please, I want some closure here. I want to know what happened. The government's not being honest. You combine that with the fact that I know the government just freaking lies to their teeth to the American public all the time, which is outrageous.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Okay, so my eyes are opened. Somebody's got to do it. I actually have a responsibility to do it. Now I'm chairman of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. That's responsibility. Now, you have to pick your targets. I've always said I'm like a mosquito in a nudist colony. It's a target-rich environment.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
But I guess I'm focusing on the things where there are legitimate questions by Americans who are grieving, who are suffering because they don't have an answer, because their vaccine injuries aren't being taken seriously. So we're not providing the research for it. So they're not getting treatment. They can't be helped.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So you take up their cause because nobody else is doing it and you have responsibility to take up that cause. So, no, I mean, my life would be a whole lot easier if I just ignored this stuff. Yeah. What do your colleagues think?
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Yeah, that was actually, I encouraged the vaccine user to go because I like my colleagues. It's a collegiate place. So I said, show up, request and be pretty insistent. Meet with a sender, meet with your house members, whatever. So they showed up in mass, and I really felt bad afterwards because they were treated horribly in many cases. Seriously? Yeah, horribly. Rudely.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Staff only met with them, treated them rudely. It was not a good experience for the vaccine injured. Again, I didn't witness it. I just heard the stories. All I can say is I felt terrible having encouraged them to do that, and it ended up being such a bust. and such a negative experience in so many cases.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Yeah, I mean, they were accused, the most absurd charge level at them, that they were anti-vax. I mean, Maddie Degary, her mother signed her up for the trial. Breanne Dressen, she signed up for the AstraZeneca trial. And what happened to them? Well, Breanne Dressen, I mean, close to suicide. I mean, she couldn't be touched. I mean, she was sensitive to light.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
She has all these neurological problems. Mandy Degary has a feeding tube. She was in a wheelchair. I mean, horribly. And in her case, the drug company said that she has a stomach ache, basically. That's how they reported it to their government reporting. This girl who'd been in the hospital dozens of times, her young life, I wouldn't say it's over, but it's not normal anymore.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
No, these people suffered horrible industries. I mean, Ernesto Ramirez, single parent, his son, I think 16-year-old son, somewhere around that age, it's his life. Died suddenly. Boom. And you just heard, again, you saw that so many times. And it's still being covered up because nobody wants to admit it.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I mean, if you're a doctor and you push this or recommend it to your patients, you don't want to know that something you recommend or push on your patients might have killed them or resulted in permanent industry. Members of Congress who cut videos, you know, get the facts.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
the average deficit was about $800 billion. So he bumped up Obama's four-year average from 550 to 800. Then COVID hit, and we had a deficit of $3.1 trillion just that one year. Now, what we should have done— In 2021, when Biden came into office, we should have returned to a reasonable pre-pandemic level. The pandemic was over.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
You know, our federal health officials, the news media who relentlessly, I mean, Stephen Colbert, you think he'll ever admit to vaccine injuries after he does his little skits with the little, you know, hypodermic needles in the background? So, no, I mean, that's the whole problem is you've got an entire society.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
That doesn't want to admit they're wrong, including people who got the injection that don't really want to think about it, just move on with their life. And by the way, to provide some comfort, I think they were definitely hot lots. I've written oversight letters on this. It looks like probably about 5% of the, 4% of the injections created about 80% of the adverse events.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I can't remember the exact percentages. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And so I write to the CDC that don't reply back. But it's just, to me, manufacturing, this is a process out of control. I mean, you've got, you really do. I mean, I don't have the stats right with me, but it's obvious there were hot lots here, which should provide some people comfort.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I think about 75% of the vaccine lots, very few adverse events associated with it all. Yeah. I won't speculate why, but they're hot lots. But you write about them, you lay out all the stats, and the response you get from the CDC is, we don't see any hot lots. It's just like, we don't see a safety signal. Well, if you're not looking for it, you're not going to see a safety signal.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
They're supposed to care. They were fully vested in this injection. This was the solution. They pushed it. They ignored the safety surveillance. I mean, the V-safe system. This was set up specifically... to track the safety of the COVID injection. 10 million people volunteered on their mobile device. Now, the questions they asked were pretty mild.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
They really weren't designed to really expose serious adverse events. They had a list of kind of mild symptoms, you know, irritation of the arm, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The second part was a little bit more serious. Did you lose a day of work or school? Did you seek medical care? That's as serious as it got, okay? But the results were shocking.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
25%. 8%, I think, 7.8% sought medical care. And I think more than a majority, two or three times. That's a reasonably – because I know people with adverse events that suffered and they never sought medical care. So, well, we'll get over it. Of course, that's what the officials told us. Oh, that just shows you it's effective. Your arm's burning up. You're numb. You can't walk. Well, it's working.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
It's supposed to make you sick. It's working. It's medicine.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I've been watching you. You know, I appreciate what you've done, the risk you've taken in your career. I mean, all the issues, you know, going to Russia, questioning what happened on January 6th. I mean, all these things. I mean, you are—and this is important—you are expanding the Overton window. You are helping expand what can be talked about. And—
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
We didn't have to keep, you know, we had unemployment spike up to, I think, 25 million people. Normal unemployment somewhere between five and six. But within a few months, it was around 11 and then returned to pretty much normal early in 2021. We didn't have to keep stimulating the economy. But Biden did. Biden averaged $1.9 trillion per year in deficit.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
The harm done because we haven't even been able to ask some of these questions. We haven't been able to discuss this. We haven't had the type of debate that we should have in this country. You're a big part of that, and I thank you for what you've done. It's been easy and fun, but I appreciate it.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
Thank you.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So Obama, when he left, his last four years, 550. Trump, before the pandemic, a little more than 800 billion per year. Biden in his four years went up to 1.9 trillion. And now CBO is projecting, and again, a rosy scenario that we'll be averaging $2.2 trillion over the next 10 years. So we'll take our debt from $37 trillion up to 59 trillion and
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
If we extend the current tax law, take away $4 trillion in revenue, roughly, add another $4 trillion. The spending cuts they're talking about, they're paltry. $1.5 trillion, some of those are fake. Some of those are extended way out. They're offset by 10 years. How far out? 10 years. Yeah. I mean, we'll spend the money up front for the border, for defense.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So that also takes away from that $1.5 trillion in spending. So at most, we're maybe cutting spending $1.2 trillion. Part of that, a few hundred billion, I think, is student loan forgiveness, which the Supreme Court will probably rule unconstitutional. We're not going to spend it anyway, but they count that as savings.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So much of the savings they're talking about in the one big beautiful bill is phony. It's fake. Or it's in the out years where if Republicans lose power, Democrats will just restore it. But no matter how you slice it, from my standpoint, CBO's $22 trillion of 10-year deficit is a rosy scenario. It'll probably be more than that.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
And what happens then is what's happening right now in the bond market. Interest rates are creeping up. You can't control that. If global creditors look at the United States as uncreditworthy, Our 50-year average interest payment that we've paid on our debt is over 5%. So I think it's as high as 5.8. It's not the most exact figure. But right now we're borrowing probably about 3.3%.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
That's been the average over the last 25 years, 3.3%. And that's kind of where we're at right now. If we increased that interest, if that interest expense increases to, or rate increases to 4.3%, add another $4 trillion in deficit spending. If it goes up to the 50-year average of 5.3, add about $8 or $9 trillion to the $22 trillion.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
So again, you go $22 trillion plus extending current tax law, add another close to $4 trillion. If interest rates start creeping up, and they are, just one percentage point, add another $4 trillion. So you can see very quickly, you go from $22 to $26 trillion. to $30 trillion to add down to $37 trillion. We're up to $67 trillion in debt. I don't think we'd ever hit that.
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Sen. Ron Johnson: What’s Really in the “Big Beautiful Bill,” and Uncovering the Truth About 9-11
I think something's going to happen. We'll have a debt crisis. We'll have failure in our bond auctions, spiking interest rates even more. And again, we're spending more on interest this year than we spend on defense.