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And I think it is a travesty and a tragedy that anyone could say that. And I want to be clear, Jason, you started this by saying you always have positions. You always give people room for two sides. And that's fantastic. I think there are not just two sides, multiple sides to the Middle East story, multiple sides to the history, multiple sides of what's been going on.

And I think it is a travesty and a tragedy that anyone could say that. And I want to be clear, Jason, you started this by saying you always have positions. You always give people room for two sides. And that's fantastic. I think there are not just two sides, multiple sides to the Middle East story, multiple sides to the history, multiple sides of what's been going on.

There are not two sides on this. This is sexual violence. There is one side, one side, and we are against it. And that's relatively new in the world. To take you back, quick history lesson, which you all know, but I'd love for all your viewers to know. For a long time, the history of mankind, women's bodies were part of war. You got the village, you got the gold, you got the women.

There are not two sides on this. This is sexual violence. There is one side, one side, and we are against it. And that's relatively new in the world. To take you back, quick history lesson, which you all know, but I'd love for all your viewers to know. For a long time, the history of mankind, women's bodies were part of war. You got the village, you got the gold, you got the women.

And it was only 30 years ago, after the mass rapes of the DRC, Bosnia, the former Yugoslavia, that people said, no, rape is not a tool of war. We will prosecute it as a war crime and a crime against humanity. And the feminist groups were the ones who made that happen, the civil rights groups, the human rights groups. They've held since then in this moment.

And it was only 30 years ago, after the mass rapes of the DRC, Bosnia, the former Yugoslavia, that people said, no, rape is not a tool of war. We will prosecute it as a war crime and a crime against humanity. And the feminist groups were the ones who made that happen, the civil rights groups, the human rights groups. They've held since then in this moment.

If our politics drive us to give that up, think about what we give up. Because as we're doing this podcast right now, there are hostages in Gaza that we know are being sexually assaulted. There are women in Ukraine, Sudan, Ethiopia, around the world who are being sexually assaulted right now, right now. And we can't let that go. This is the one place we need to be united.

If our politics drive us to give that up, think about what we give up. Because as we're doing this podcast right now, there are hostages in Gaza that we know are being sexually assaulted. There are women in Ukraine, Sudan, Ethiopia, around the world who are being sexually assaulted right now, right now. And we can't let that go. This is the one place we need to be united.

Jason, do you know what I'm about to do? I'm so excited. I'm so excited.

Jason, do you know what I'm about to do? I'm so excited. I'm so excited.

So look, we can't paint them all with one brush. There are feminist groups that have spoken out on this, that have said, you know... Now did it. The new NARAL did it. They said, we are against the sexual violence. CARE did it. There are groups that have done it, no matter what else they're working on. A bunch of them have said to me privately, I know you're right.

So look, we can't paint them all with one brush. There are feminist groups that have spoken out on this, that have said, you know... Now did it. The new NARAL did it. They said, we are against the sexual violence. CARE did it. There are groups that have done it, no matter what else they're working on. A bunch of them have said to me privately, I know you're right.

Of course, sexual violence isn't okay. And of course this happened, but I can't speak out because all my employees are going to get upset. I can't speak out because the young people, and that makes me really sad.

Of course, sexual violence isn't okay. And of course this happened, but I can't speak out because all my employees are going to get upset. I can't speak out because the young people, and that makes me really sad.

you've gotta be able to hold two thoughts at the same time. Again, not my thought, but if you believe October 7th is resistant, you can still believe sexual violence happened. The fact that a group of feminists, none I'm particularly close to, have actually signed letters saying this didn't happen, is crazy, absolutely crazy. I mean, look, I'm going to read this.

you've gotta be able to hold two thoughts at the same time. Again, not my thought, but if you believe October 7th is resistant, you can still believe sexual violence happened. The fact that a group of feminists, none I'm particularly close to, have actually signed letters saying this didn't happen, is crazy, absolutely crazy. I mean, look, I'm going to read this.

The UN Special Representative on Sexual Violence, Pramila Patton, traveled to Israel, and here is what she wrote. She said, I witnessed in Israel were scenes of unspeakable violence perpetrated with shocking brutality, catalog of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture, and other horrors, including sexual violence. That's the UN. They're not exactly a pro-Israel group.

The UN Special Representative on Sexual Violence, Pramila Patton, traveled to Israel, and here is what she wrote. She said, I witnessed in Israel were scenes of unspeakable violence perpetrated with shocking brutality, catalog of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture, and other horrors, including sexual violence. That's the UN. They're not exactly a pro-Israel group.

Yeah, well, the key thing you said there is they're asking, where are the victims? Well, let me tell you where the victims are. They're dead. They're dead. That is why we called this film, sorry, Screams Before Silence. I have a story in this film. This woman, Tali, I went with her to the trailer where she hid. She was at the Nova Film Festival. She's a nurse. She hid in a trailer.

Yeah, well, the key thing you said there is they're asking, where are the victims? Well, let me tell you where the victims are. They're dead. They're dead. That is why we called this film, sorry, Screams Before Silence. I have a story in this film. This woman, Tali, I went with her to the trailer where she hid. She was at the Nova Film Festival. She's a nurse. She hid in a trailer.

I walked in with her to that trailer the first time she'd been in there and you could see her body like shake and she, we didn't, this didn't make the final cut of the film, but she picked up a black sweater and I think she might've been wearing that sweater. I was afraid to ask her, but she was like shaking. She hid in that trailer for, I don't know, five, six, seven hours.

I walked in with her to that trailer the first time she'd been in there and you could see her body like shake and she, we didn't, this didn't make the final cut of the film, but she picked up a black sweater and I think she might've been wearing that sweater. I was afraid to ask her, but she was like shaking. She hid in that trailer for, I don't know, five, six, seven hours.

And she heard, sometimes she would hear like a little scream, like, ah, someone's pointing a gun at you and a shot.

And she heard, sometimes she would hear like a little scream, like, ah, someone's pointing a gun at you and a shot.

Most of them are dead. There is exactly one person who is an escaped or released hostage. Her name is Amit Sasana. She gave a video interview. You all saw it. We have the only video interview in this documentary.

Most of them are dead. There is exactly one person who is an escaped or released hostage. Her name is Amit Sasana. She gave a video interview. You all saw it. We have the only video interview in this documentary.

And she told me she's speaking out because there are still hostages there. But she is the only living witness to speak out. We think there are a few more who are in deep trauma, but there were twelve hundred people killed and at least dozens of them were sexually brutalized, assaulted. And that is why they're not speaking out.

And she told me she's speaking out because there are still hostages there. But she is the only living witness to speak out. We think there are a few more who are in deep trauma, but there were twelve hundred people killed and at least dozens of them were sexually brutalized, assaulted. And that is why they're not speaking out.

They're trying to accomplish their narrative that October 7th was justified resistance.

They're trying to accomplish their narrative that October 7th was justified resistance.

Yes. Even they don't believe, and it's interesting, Hamas has been proudly talking about who they killed, but even they deny the sexual violence. That wouldn't happen. It's against our religion. The sexual violence doesn't fit the narrative.

Yes. Even they don't believe, and it's interesting, Hamas has been proudly talking about who they killed, but even they deny the sexual violence. That wouldn't happen. It's against our religion. The sexual violence doesn't fit the narrative.

But I want to be clear, the sexual violence was multiple locations, systematic, meets the definition of a war crime, a crime against humanity, and was part of the plan.

But I want to be clear, the sexual violence was multiple locations, systematic, meets the definition of a war crime, a crime against humanity, and was part of the plan.

I mean, it is such an important question. There were not rape kits done. 1,200 people killed in one day. I don't, anyone was, people, their bodies were burned. People were trying to identify them. I've actually looked into this a bunch. And in a lot of sexual violence in war situations, there are no rape kits. So that's actually, sometimes they're used, but often in chaos, there is none.

I mean, it is such an important question. There were not rape kits done. 1,200 people killed in one day. I don't, anyone was, people, their bodies were burned. People were trying to identify them. I've actually looked into this a bunch. And in a lot of sexual violence in war situations, there are no rape kits. So that's actually, sometimes they're used, but often in chaos, there is none.

There are very few pictures. There are some, and I saw them in this documentary, and they are, sorry, they are, naked women with nails in their groin. I'm sorry, I saw these pictures. But what's interesting about it is the people who are the first responders are taught not to take pictures, particularly of gruesome things. They don't have the victims' rights.

There are very few pictures. There are some, and I saw them in this documentary, and they are, sorry, they are, naked women with nails in their groin. I'm sorry, I saw these pictures. But what's interesting about it is the people who are the first responders are taught not to take pictures, particularly of gruesome things. They don't have the victims' rights.

But the man I interviewed, he said 24 hours in, he thought to himself, no one's gonna believe this, I gotta take pictures. And against the training he had, he took the pictures and he showed me on his phone, he was like, I took this. And another guy from Zaka, they're a first responder group that goes in. This is an unheard of situation.

But the man I interviewed, he said 24 hours in, he thought to himself, no one's gonna believe this, I gotta take pictures. And against the training he had, he took the pictures and he showed me on his phone, he was like, I took this. And another guy from Zaka, they're a first responder group that goes in. This is an unheard of situation.

I mean, I said to him, you've been processing, sorry, maybe that's not the right word. You've been, I guess, processing dead bodies all over the world. how many times in your experience are they naked? And he just looked at me and said, never, they're never naked. And what meets the legal criteria for proving crimes against humanity are witnesses, eyewitnesses.

I mean, I said to him, you've been processing, sorry, maybe that's not the right word. You've been, I guess, processing dead bodies all over the world. how many times in your experience are they naked? And he just looked at me and said, never, they're never naked. And what meets the legal criteria for proving crimes against humanity are witnesses, eyewitnesses.

And what's important about the documentary that we did, but also important about the efforts Israel is doing. Israel is doing that documentation, not Israel, the country, a woman in Israel named Kochav Levy, who's fantastic. She is from a private university with private funding doing that documentation, which at this point are mostly considered of interviews, but there are hundreds of them.

And what's important about the documentary that we did, but also important about the efforts Israel is doing. Israel is doing that documentation, not Israel, the country, a woman in Israel named Kochav Levy, who's fantastic. She is from a private university with private funding doing that documentation, which at this point are mostly considered of interviews, but there are hundreds of them.

Do you remember Fake Chamath?

Do you remember Fake Chamath?

And look, I hope people watch. In the documentary, I go into a field with this guy, Rami. I'm sure you guys remember this. Because he's huge, right?

And look, I hope people watch. In the documentary, I go into a field with this guy, Rami. I'm sure you guys remember this. Because he's huge, right?

He stands like this tall over me. Private citizen. This guy is the biggest hero I've ever met in my life. Sirens go off. He gets into his car, takes his gun, and drives to where- Incredible bravery. Rescued hundreds of people himself. Himself. But he got to a field and I stood in those trees. And he said, these trees, he thinks about 30 women were there and raped or sexually brutalized.

He stands like this tall over me. Private citizen. This guy is the biggest hero I've ever met in my life. Sirens go off. He gets into his car, takes his gun, and drives to where- Incredible bravery. Rescued hundreds of people himself. Himself. But he got to a field and I stood in those trees. And he said, these trees, he thinks about 30 women were there and raped or sexually brutalized.

When he saw them, they were naked, tied to trees, legs red, bloodied, like bloodied in the regions you would be bloody if you were raped. And what he said in the film is, I got there, I covered their bodies so no one else would see. He didn't take pictures. I wish he had. But, well, I guess, I don't know. Do I wish he had? I don't know. But you understand why.

When he saw them, they were naked, tied to trees, legs red, bloodied, like bloodied in the regions you would be bloody if you were raped. And what he said in the film is, I got there, I covered their bodies so no one else would see. He didn't take pictures. I wish he had. But, well, I guess, I don't know. Do I wish he had? I don't know. But you understand why.

But he said, I saw this with my own eyes. And what you saw in the film is this huge man who's so brave, fought terrorists, himself crying, because he didn't get there early enough to save those women. But the good news is, while the victims were killed,

But he said, I saw this with my own eyes. And what you saw in the film is this huge man who's so brave, fought terrorists, himself crying, because he didn't get there early enough to save those women. But the good news is, while the victims were killed,

The good news is the first responders are alive and their testimony, which is eyewitness testimony, meets the criteria of any international or global court. Absolutely. Crimes can be proven by eyewitnesses for sure.

The good news is the first responders are alive and their testimony, which is eyewitness testimony, meets the criteria of any international or global court. Absolutely. Crimes can be proven by eyewitnesses for sure.

I mean, look. We need peace. We need two sides and two leaders that are committed to peace, like long-term peace. And there's a lot going wrong. But on this aspect, You violate, someone said it in the film, you violate a woman, you violate a country. There's a reason sexual violence is used as a war crime.

I mean, look. We need peace. We need two sides and two leaders that are committed to peace, like long-term peace. And there's a lot going wrong. But on this aspect, You violate, someone said it in the film, you violate a woman, you violate a country. There's a reason sexual violence is used as a war crime.

There's a reason it was used in the DRC and Bosnia, and it's being used in Ukraine today because, and I can see it in your reaction. I mean, I watch y'all.

There's a reason it was used in the DRC and Bosnia, and it's being used in Ukraine today because, and I can see it in your reaction. I mean, I watch y'all.

You humiliate, look at the three of you. Like, you all don't cry a lot. Like, this is traumatic because you all have mothers, right? and daughters, like you can feel what happens to a country. And that's why this was done. This was not an accident. This was on purpose. And unfortunately it works.

You humiliate, look at the three of you. Like, you all don't cry a lot. Like, this is traumatic because you all have mothers, right? and daughters, like you can feel what happens to a country. And that's why this was done. This was not an accident. This was on purpose. And unfortunately it works.

Well, I can tell you what I believe. I believe we need peace. I believe we need two states. I believe that those states need to be run by peaceful leaders who want prosperity for the other side. Look, I believe we should be able to look at anyone anywhere in the world, but certainly the Palestinian people living in Gaza and say any death is too much. One death is too much.

Well, I can tell you what I believe. I believe we need peace. I believe we need two states. I believe that those states need to be run by peaceful leaders who want prosperity for the other side. Look, I believe we should be able to look at anyone anywhere in the world, but certainly the Palestinian people living in Gaza and say any death is too much. One death is too much.

No innocent lives should be killed. No women, no children, no innocent lives should be killed. But I think also as part of that path to peace, there needs to be forgiveness, but there needs to be a clear, clear articulation of what is not acceptable ever. And the sexual violence is not acceptable ever.

No innocent lives should be killed. No women, no children, no innocent lives should be killed. But I think also as part of that path to peace, there needs to be forgiveness, but there needs to be a clear, clear articulation of what is not acceptable ever. And the sexual violence is not acceptable ever.

No, no. I mean, I don't have an answer to peace in the Middle East. I don't. I mean, I wish I did, but I do have a very strong view that we are not going to get to peace when we are apologizing or denying crimes against humanity and mass rape of women. That is not the path to peace. The path to peace is not saying this didn't happen.

No, no. I mean, I don't have an answer to peace in the Middle East. I don't. I mean, I wish I did, but I do have a very strong view that we are not going to get to peace when we are apologizing or denying crimes against humanity and mass rape of women. That is not the path to peace. The path to peace is not saying this didn't happen.

Do you know who that is? Of course, right?

Do you know who that is? Of course, right?

The path to peace is saying this happened, no matter what side of the fence you're on, no matter what side of the world you're on, if you're the far right, the far left, anywhere in the world, we're not going to let this happen again and we're going to get to peace to make sure. Denial is not going to get us there.

The path to peace is saying this happened, no matter what side of the fence you're on, no matter what side of the world you're on, if you're the far right, the far left, anywhere in the world, we're not going to let this happen again and we're going to get to peace to make sure. Denial is not going to get us there.

I mean, y'all are, I would throw that question right back to you. I know you've talked about narratives and oppressor and oppressed. And again, polarization is where you can only have one view and you cannot tolerate anything that doesn't fit one view. And I don't know of anything that's that clear and that simple. I mean, I'll throw that right back to you.

I mean, y'all are, I would throw that question right back to you. I know you've talked about narratives and oppressor and oppressed. And again, polarization is where you can only have one view and you cannot tolerate anything that doesn't fit one view. And I don't know of anything that's that clear and that simple. I mean, I'll throw that right back to you.

You all have been articulate on this and I think have a lot to say.

You all have been articulate on this and I think have a lot to say.

I couldn't have said that better. That was exactly right, Jason. That is exactly the point and the path. Sorry, please continue.

I couldn't have said that better. That was exactly right, Jason. That is exactly the point and the path. Sorry, please continue.

Look, we didn't really have a choice. I agree with you. I think the world seeing this would probably be necessary at some point. I do think the deniers will deny. They'll say, oh, you can doctor any photo. So you're gonna have to believe the person who took them anyway. We didn't have that choice.

Look, we didn't really have a choice. I agree with you. I think the world seeing this would probably be necessary at some point. I do think the deniers will deny. They'll say, oh, you can doctor any photo. So you're gonna have to believe the person who took them anyway. We didn't have that choice.

These photos are held by people who have taken a vow as part of their work as first responders of processing and getting bodies ready for burial that they won't show them. It also, you know, we've made this freely available on YouTube so anyone can watch it, no firewalls, you know, anyone can watch this thing if you're over. They wouldn't meet YouTube standards, so that would be taken down.

These photos are held by people who have taken a vow as part of their work as first responders of processing and getting bodies ready for burial that they won't show them. It also, you know, we've made this freely available on YouTube so anyone can watch it, no firewalls, you know, anyone can watch this thing if you're over. They wouldn't meet YouTube standards, so that would be taken down.

I mean, we can't show them right now for those two reasons. But I think over time, the world may have to see some of them. But I also want to go back to what Shamath said, because there are photos. There are clear photos and there are clear witnesses But Rami's story, he took no photos, and he will tell you why he took no photos. He covered those bodies so no one would see.

I mean, we can't show them right now for those two reasons. But I think over time, the world may have to see some of them. But I also want to go back to what Shamath said, because there are photos. There are clear photos and there are clear witnesses But Rami's story, he took no photos, and he will tell you why he took no photos. He covered those bodies so no one would see.

And so it's traumatic, and that's why Israel is documenting this, or not Israel, actually, I shouldn't say it. Someone in Israel is documenting this. But again, no matter what else you believe, I love the way you said it, Jason, you can absolutely believe, I absolutely believe that every single person particularly the private citizens, not the terrorists, in Gaza should live in peace and harmony.

And so it's traumatic, and that's why Israel is documenting this, or not Israel, actually, I shouldn't say it. Someone in Israel is documenting this. But again, no matter what else you believe, I love the way you said it, Jason, you can absolutely believe, I absolutely believe that every single person particularly the private citizens, not the terrorists, in Gaza should live in peace and harmony.

I'm revealing.

I'm revealing.

They should of course get aid, but they shouldn't need aid because they should have a thriving economy and a state that's their own. That doesn't mean sexual violence didn't happen because it is clear it did. And the denial is crazy. I was in France. I took some of the witnesses to different parliaments, including in the French parliament. And Maurice Levy hosted this beautiful lunch for us.

They should of course get aid, but they shouldn't need aid because they should have a thriving economy and a state that's their own. That doesn't mean sexual violence didn't happen because it is clear it did. And the denial is crazy. I was in France. I took some of the witnesses to different parliaments, including in the French parliament. And Maurice Levy hosted this beautiful lunch for us.

And there were all the people who work in civil society. And this woman stood up at this lunch and she stood up and she said, I'm French, I'm not Jewish. I run a nonprofit that works on sexual violence and conflict. I've done this work for 30 years. No one's ever questioned my work ever until now. And she said, I think it's antisemitism.

And there were all the people who work in civil society. And this woman stood up at this lunch and she stood up and she said, I'm French, I'm not Jewish. I run a nonprofit that works on sexual violence and conflict. I've done this work for 30 years. No one's ever questioned my work ever until now. And she said, I think it's antisemitism.

You look at that New York Times article, and I know there's different views of the New York Times, I'm not defending the paper, but that article written by Jeff Gettleman and others, he has covered sexual violence for decades. He won a Pulitzer for his coverage of this in Somalia, a Pulitzer. I did a search. No one's ever questioned it before. Something is going on here.

You look at that New York Times article, and I know there's different views of the New York Times, I'm not defending the paper, but that article written by Jeff Gettleman and others, he has covered sexual violence for decades. He won a Pulitzer for his coverage of this in Somalia, a Pulitzer. I did a search. No one's ever questioned it before. Something is going on here.

And it is a combination of narratives and polarization and anti-Semitism, which is getting us to a place where we lose. Yeah, sorry.

And it is a combination of narratives and polarization and anti-Semitism, which is getting us to a place where we lose. Yeah, sorry.

It really depends what I see. Like when I see someone peacefully protesting and saying free Palestine.

It really depends what I see. Like when I see someone peacefully protesting and saying free Palestine.

That's good. I want free Palestine. When I see people protesting and saying, you know, we need peace on all sides. We need a ceasefire. Of course we need. We need a permanent ceasefire that lasts. I'm for that. Ready? When I see people saying the rapes didn't happen, that's unacceptable. You know, you saw a student at Columbia. I saw it on video.

That's good. I want free Palestine. When I see people protesting and saying, you know, we need peace on all sides. We need a ceasefire. Of course we need. We need a permanent ceasefire that lasts. I'm for that. Ready? When I see people saying the rapes didn't happen, that's unacceptable. You know, you saw a student at Columbia. I saw it on video.

I'm sure you did too, screaming at a Jewish kid, go back to Poland.

I'm sure you did too, screaming at a Jewish kid, go back to Poland.

Or October 7th is going to happen to you over and over. That's not okay. And so it really depends what they're saying. But again, I'm hoping people watch this documentary so they can see it for their own eyes. I'm hoping people wake up and realize that they are capable of holding two thoughts at the same time. They just are.

Or October 7th is going to happen to you over and over. That's not okay. And so it really depends what they're saying. But again, I'm hoping people watch this documentary so they can see it for their own eyes. I'm hoping people wake up and realize that they are capable of holding two thoughts at the same time. They just are.

I don't know what's going to happen at any of these schools, but I'll tell you, I'm a parent of college age kids. You know, I've got a kid who was in college for a year. I've got a kid going off this year in the fall. Colleges have a responsibility to keep our kids safe, full stop, and protect them from hate, full stop. And they have the ability to do this. They have the ability to do this.

I don't know what's going to happen at any of these schools, but I'll tell you, I'm a parent of college age kids. You know, I've got a kid who was in college for a year. I've got a kid going off this year in the fall. Colleges have a responsibility to keep our kids safe, full stop, and protect them from hate, full stop. And they have the ability to do this. They have the ability to do this.

It's up to them.

It's up to them.

I'm not close enough. It's all merging together in my mind. I don't know exactly which protests that happen at which schools, but here's what I would do. Yeah. I would have very clear rules, which, by the way, all the schools have. It's a question of enforcing them.

I'm not close enough. It's all merging together in my mind. I don't know exactly which protests that happen at which schools, but here's what I would do. Yeah. I would have very clear rules, which, by the way, all the schools have. It's a question of enforcing them.

The schools that are letting this happen are not enforcing their own rules. Schools are actually, I think, look, free and open dialogue is important. College is the place you should go to talk about the issues from all sides, to have thoughtful conversations, to have deep conversations, even maybe to have angry conversations.

The schools that are letting this happen are not enforcing their own rules. Schools are actually, I think, look, free and open dialogue is important. College is the place you should go to talk about the issues from all sides, to have thoughtful conversations, to have deep conversations, even maybe to have angry conversations.

And I bet you had thoughtful conversations because that's what's made you you. Look how look how complex. Look at your views, David. You're able to articulate multiply complex views. And I bet some of that was from Berkeley, where you probably sat with your fellow students and talk to them. Right. That's not what's happening.

And I bet you had thoughtful conversations because that's what's made you you. Look how look how complex. Look at your views, David. You're able to articulate multiply complex views. And I bet some of that was from Berkeley, where you probably sat with your fellow students and talk to them. Right. That's not what's happening.

These colleges have rules. Most colleges have a rule that you can't protest in the president's office. There are colleges where the faculty and administration, when people are protesting in the president's office, they're serving them food. There are colleges that say, you're not allowed to protest here, go outside.

These colleges have rules. Most colleges have a rule that you can't protest in the president's office. There are colleges where the faculty and administration, when people are protesting in the president's office, they're serving them food. There are colleges that say, you're not allowed to protest here, go outside.

Nine years later. I want that handle. I would like to get that handle and give it to someone to be. I hand it to you, whoever you want.

Nine years later. I want that handle. I would like to get that handle and give it to someone to be. I hand it to you, whoever you want.

What I was gonna say is I think the answer lies in what we're saying. David, you started out by saying, how are we gonna get to progress? Well, screaming at each other is not gonna get to progress. I don't have an answer for peace in the Middle East, but universities play roles in getting there. thoughtful, hard conversations. Let's look at the real history.

What I was gonna say is I think the answer lies in what we're saying. David, you started out by saying, how are we gonna get to progress? Well, screaming at each other is not gonna get to progress. I don't have an answer for peace in the Middle East, but universities play roles in getting there. thoughtful, hard conversations. Let's look at the real history.

Let's look at who the leadership could be. Let's look at what kind of leaders we need on both sides. Let's look at what the international community could be doing. Those answers could come out of universities. Some of those college students, if they weren't reading five things they don't understand, could help us get there.

Let's look at who the leadership could be. Let's look at what kind of leaders we need on both sides. Let's look at what the international community could be doing. Those answers could come out of universities. Some of those college students, if they weren't reading five things they don't understand, could help us get there.

And I think these protests are getting in the way of the thoughtful dialogue. And I honestly think part of what happens with cancel culture, I don't want to listen to another view on all sides. Really? Why don't you say, I want to listen. My friend Adam Grant wrote a great book called Think Again. I wish everyone in the whole world would read that damn book. Think again.

And I think these protests are getting in the way of the thoughtful dialogue. And I honestly think part of what happens with cancel culture, I don't want to listen to another view on all sides. Really? Why don't you say, I want to listen. My friend Adam Grant wrote a great book called Think Again. I wish everyone in the whole world would read that damn book. Think again.

Think again means you like might not be right about everything. Think again means you need to like listen to the other side. We're never going to get there without that kind of thoughtful dialogue.

Think again means you like might not be right about everything. Think again means you need to like listen to the other side. We're never going to get there without that kind of thoughtful dialogue.

Well, saying two things you just said that Dave would have been on this podcast, I've thought that actually. And calling me a bestie because I've been friends with all of you for so long means a lot to me. Jason, you dedicated your book to Dave. That meant everything to me. David Freeberg and I have been traveling around together to conferences, sitting in the backseat of cars.

Well, saying two things you just said that Dave would have been on this podcast, I've thought that actually. And calling me a bestie because I've been friends with all of you for so long means a lot to me. Jason, you dedicated your book to Dave. That meant everything to me. David Freeberg and I have been traveling around together to conferences, sitting in the backseat of cars.

One is that you were really passionate against this sexual assault and really clear. And as much as we need women to believe this, we need male and male leaders. And so your voices, like, I could feel the passion on this. And I'm really grateful because that gives me hope. Like, it's such a dark moment. It's such a dark moment for democracy. It's such a dark moment for Jews.

One is that you were really passionate against this sexual assault and really clear. And as much as we need women to believe this, we need male and male leaders. And so your voices, like, I could feel the passion on this. And I'm really grateful because that gives me hope. Like, it's such a dark moment. It's such a dark moment for democracy. It's such a dark moment for Jews.

It's such a dark moment for women. But this really gave me hope. And the second is your tears for Dave. Thanks. It's been nine years. A lot of we've moved on. You have friends. I have a wonderful life that I'm so grateful for, but the world's still lost.

It's such a dark moment for women. But this really gave me hope. And the second is your tears for Dave. Thanks. It's been nine years. A lot of we've moved on. You have friends. I have a wonderful life that I'm so grateful for, but the world's still lost.

And Chamath, it's a really special moment to be here with you. We lost Dave nine years ago. Yesterday, we were at our dear friend Phil Joych's 50th birthday party. It happened suddenly. I was in shock. Everyone was in shock. Chamath sprung into action, took care of every logistical thing you could have possibly needed.

And Chamath, it's a really special moment to be here with you. We lost Dave nine years ago. Yesterday, we were at our dear friend Phil Joych's 50th birthday party. It happened suddenly. I was in shock. Everyone was in shock. Chamath sprung into action, took care of every logistical thing you could have possibly needed.

Thank you guys so much. I have to go to my board meeting. Thanks, Cheryl. This was like as deeply meaningful as it could have been. Seriously, thank you.

Thank you guys so much. I have to go to my board meeting. Thanks, Cheryl. This was like as deeply meaningful as it could have been. Seriously, thank you.

A really big hug. Thank you, guys. And thank you for watching. We love you, Cheryl. We love you, Cheryl.

A really big hug. Thank you, guys. And thank you for watching. We love you, Cheryl. We love you, Cheryl.

But then he did something, you did something, Chamath, even more important, which is you showed up for my children. Not just for the days and weeks, but for the months and years afterwards. And one of the many things you did is you taught them to play poker. Because what you said is if Dave were alive, he would have taught them to play poker.

But then he did something, you did something, Chamath, even more important, which is you showed up for my children. Not just for the days and weeks, but for the months and years afterwards. And one of the many things you did is you taught them to play poker. Because what you said is if Dave were alive, he would have taught them to play poker.

And last night on the ninth anniversary of his loss, my kids were in that room playing poker. And that is very much to your credit, Chamath. And I will always... Always be grateful for that and grateful, Jason, to David and all of us for Dave. So the world lost something really big when we lost Dave. And I think a lot of people know a lot of the things we lost.

And last night on the ninth anniversary of his loss, my kids were in that room playing poker. And that is very much to your credit, Chamath. And I will always... Always be grateful for that and grateful, Jason, to David and all of us for Dave. So the world lost something really big when we lost Dave. And I think a lot of people know a lot of the things we lost.

Well, how do I get it? Can I ask Linda at Twitter for it?

Well, how do I get it? Can I ask Linda at Twitter for it?

I lost an amazing husband and father to my children. You all lost a best friend. The world lost a lot of wisdom, but there's actually one thing that the world also lost that we've never shared. And I'm prepared to reveal right now, right here, right now. Because last night, Rob Goldberg, Dave's brother and I decided, we decided it was time to share. People may have known there was a fake Chamath

I lost an amazing husband and father to my children. You all lost a best friend. The world lost a lot of wisdom, but there's actually one thing that the world also lost that we've never shared. And I'm prepared to reveal right now, right here, right now. Because last night, Rob Goldberg, Dave's brother and I decided, we decided it was time to share. People may have known there was a fake Chamath

Twitter handle. I built Facebook, rocked the angel world, and now I'm on the Warriors. My motto, don't be a D-bag. That's my job. And people have questioned who this was. I mean, some people think it was Jason Calacanis. Some people think it was- An obvious choice. All right. I got to say, some people think it was Chamath himself. But you know what?

Twitter handle. I built Facebook, rocked the angel world, and now I'm on the Warriors. My motto, don't be a D-bag. That's my job. And people have questioned who this was. I mean, some people think it was Jason Calacanis. Some people think it was- An obvious choice. All right. I got to say, some people think it was Chamath himself. But you know what?

I'll be David Sachs.

I'll be David Sachs.

Dave was fake Chamath. Now, he didn't write all the tweets himself. I know all of you helped him, but he wrote a bunch of them, and he used to literally lie in bed next to me, write something, and just... Big bellow. Remember Dave's big laugh. He would laugh out loud. And there are so many things the world lost. But can you guys imagine the field day Dave, a.k.a.

Dave was fake Chamath. Now, he didn't write all the tweets himself. I know all of you helped him, but he wrote a bunch of them, and he used to literally lie in bed next to me, write something, and just... Big bellow. Remember Dave's big laugh. He would laugh out loud. And there are so many things the world lost. But can you guys imagine the field day Dave, a.k.a.

Fake Chamath, would be having with this podcast?

Fake Chamath, would be having with this podcast?

Field day. A field day.

Field day. A field day.

Maybe you can help me. I am so credible as the person who deserves that password.

Maybe you can help me. I am so credible as the person who deserves that password.

And there's no way Dave knew what Laura Piana was. There's no way Dave wrote this. Someone else wrote this one for sure.

And there's no way Dave knew what Laura Piana was. There's no way Dave wrote this. Someone else wrote this one for sure.

My newest investment is so good. Jet time. You can random video chat with other people who are also on their private jet. G55 to Hawker. Yeah, Dave. So good. Dave loved this group of friends and he loved being fake Chamath. Yeah. Loved it.

My newest investment is so good. Jet time. You can random video chat with other people who are also on their private jet. G55 to Hawker. Yeah, Dave. So good. Dave loved this group of friends and he loved being fake Chamath. Yeah. Loved it.

I raised him. I raised Chamath, and he raised me right back.

I raised him. I raised Chamath, and he raised me right back.

Can you imagine? Hi, Jason.

Can you imagine? Hi, Jason.

It's a great question. I mean, if you had told me on October 6th, the following is going to happen. Terrorists are going to parachute into Israel They are going to kill twelve hundred people. They are going to sexually brutalize, brutalize and rape multiple women and men. I would have said you're crazy.

It's a great question. I mean, if you had told me on October 6th, the following is going to happen. Terrorists are going to parachute into Israel They are going to kill twelve hundred people. They are going to sexually brutalize, brutalize and rape multiple women and men. I would have said you're crazy.

Then if you would have told me that people were going to deny the reports were going to start coming out, people were going to say, I'm a first responder. I saw naked bodies. I saw women bloodied. leg spread, but then people were going to deny that this happened. I would have said you were crazy.

Then if you would have told me that people were going to deny the reports were going to start coming out, people were going to say, I'm a first responder. I saw naked bodies. I saw women bloodied. leg spread, but then people were going to deny that this happened. I would have said you were crazy.

And then if you had told me that what we would be doing on college campuses is not protesting sexual violence as a tool of war by the hands of Hamas, Hamas, misogynistic, homophobic terrorists who are right now holding not just Israelis, but Americans hostage. Yet we would be protesting and college kids would be screaming, we are Hamas. I would have said you were crazy. And that's hit me hard.

And then if you had told me that what we would be doing on college campuses is not protesting sexual violence as a tool of war by the hands of Hamas, Hamas, misogynistic, homophobic terrorists who are right now holding not just Israelis, but Americans hostage. Yet we would be protesting and college kids would be screaming, we are Hamas. I would have said you were crazy. And that's hit me hard.

And for me as a woman, as a very outspoken feminist, it's all hard. But the part that has hit me the hardest is the denial of the sexual violence. That has just been horrible. And so the reports were coming out. In November, I wrote an op-ed. And what my op-ed said was, no matter what you believe should happen in the Middle East, I believe in a two-state solution.

And for me as a woman, as a very outspoken feminist, it's all hard. But the part that has hit me the hardest is the denial of the sexual violence. That has just been horrible. And so the reports were coming out. In November, I wrote an op-ed. And what my op-ed said was, no matter what you believe should happen in the Middle East, I believe in a two-state solution.

No matter what flag you're flying, march you're going to, You can all be united on one thing, which is sexual violence should never be used as a tool of war. Then I did a video that went pretty viral, but people are denying it and they're attacking articles and attacking reports. And so I went to Israel and I sat down myself with a video crew.

No matter what flag you're flying, march you're going to, You can all be united on one thing, which is sexual violence should never be used as a tool of war. Then I did a video that went pretty viral, but people are denying it and they're attacking articles and attacking reports. And so I went to Israel and I sat down myself with a video crew.

This was generously financed by this great philanthropist, Joey Lowe and his wife. And I sat down there and I asked people, what did you see with your own eyes? We sat down with a released hostage who told her story. And this is because people are actually denying or ignoring this. And that is a horrible place for us to be and truly shocking, truly shocking.

This was generously financed by this great philanthropist, Joey Lowe and his wife. And I sat down there and I asked people, what did you see with your own eyes? We sat down with a released hostage who told her story. And this is because people are actually denying or ignoring this. And that is a horrible place for us to be and truly shocking, truly shocking.

I mean, you're framing it exactly right, Shamath. That's exactly what happened. So, I mean, you all talk about this a lot, but there's huge polarization. What does that mean? Polarization means I have a view that is so firmly entrenched that I see the word as black and white. Everything has to fit into my view and my narrative. And when it doesn't fit, I don't know what to do, so I reject it.

I mean, you're framing it exactly right, Shamath. That's exactly what happened. So, I mean, you all talk about this a lot, but there's huge polarization. What does that mean? Polarization means I have a view that is so firmly entrenched that I see the word as black and white. Everything has to fit into my view and my narrative. And when it doesn't fit, I don't know what to do, so I reject it.

And that's, I think, what's happening, that there are people out there who believe that October 7th was resistance. I want to be clear, I'm not that person. I do not believe that. I'm horrified by what's happening in Gaza. Every life lost is too much. I want two states living peacefully beside each other. I really want that. But let's say you think October 7th was resistance.

And that's, I think, what's happening, that there are people out there who believe that October 7th was resistance. I want to be clear, I'm not that person. I do not believe that. I'm horrified by what's happening in Gaza. Every life lost is too much. I want two states living peacefully beside each other. I really want that. But let's say you think October 7th was resistance.

Then all of a sudden you're like, wait a second. Mass rape. Genital mutilation of men and women, women and men. Women tied to trees, naked, bloodied, leg spread. That doesn't fit your narrative. So what can you do? You can now think, maybe the world isn't so black and white. Maybe I have to rethink my narrative. Or you can say, this didn't happen.

Then all of a sudden you're like, wait a second. Mass rape. Genital mutilation of men and women, women and men. Women tied to trees, naked, bloodied, leg spread. That doesn't fit your narrative. So what can you do? You can now think, maybe the world isn't so black and white. Maybe I have to rethink my narrative. Or you can say, this didn't happen.