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Stephen Kotkin

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So here we have the experience of going through the horrors, then having those horrors publicly denounced

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Within the party, the secret speech is not published in Soviet newspapers, but it's discussed at party meetings in all locales.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So within the party, there's a public dimension to this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

All party members become familiar with Khrushchev's denunciation of Stalin.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So they experienced the horrors in many cases firsthand.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They enacted the horrors in many cases themselves.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They then see this denounced as horror and they get facts that they didn't know.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They get a big picture view back onto this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And instead of saying, oh my God, this system is evil.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

We made a big mistake.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

We have to undo state ownership of property.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

We have to undo collective farms.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

We have to undo the dictatorship.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Instead of saying that, they say, oh, we get a chance to do it right this time without the evil Stalin who messed it all up.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And so the Khrushchev thing, the revelation of the horrors, the denunciation of the horrors, ironically, gives you the second wind belief in the system that's going to last right through Gorbachev, who's a Khrushchev-era baby.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

We have this with Xi Jinping.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

If you know the story of his father and of his own upbringing, they suffer massively through Mao's regime and the Cultural Revolution.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They're purged, they're humiliated.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And yet, instead of saying, this system is horrible, if I ever get power, I'm going to undo this system, which was so unjust to me and my family.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Instead of that, they say, let's make this better.