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Stephen Kotkin

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Deng Xiaoping never takes down the political system or the ideology.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And so you still have today the communist monopoly.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Communism can fail at everything.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

It can starve the people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

It can kill the people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

It only has to do one thing to survive, suppress political alternatives.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So during that resistance, peasant resistance to Stalin in the collectivization episode that you referenced earlier, there's no political alternative.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

There's no other place for them to go and say, we don't like the injustices of the czarist regime and we don't like what communism is doing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Therefore, there's something else that we can go to that's an alternative.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Communism has suppressed all the alternatives.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So it's either return to czarism or keep communism.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And so in the Chinese case, you have something quite similar.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They allow economic liberalization.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

in part because they have no choice, but they don't allow political liberalization.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And so they're able to quote reform by enabling the people to generate wealth, jobs, prosperity through market behavior.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And it's mostly the peasant class in China, which then leads to family owned businesses, which then leads to larger businesses.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And so society, not the party creates the miracle in China and the party tightens its grip.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Because the ideology of the party is when the socioeconomic base has a lot of market in it, it's a threat to the party's rule.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So the party has to be even more vigilant against the capitalists in the society.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And it turns out that you get to Jiang Zemin, who is Deng Xiaoping's handpicked successor.