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Stephen Kotkin

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

He starts reading forbidden, otherwise censored underground literature and books and learns about the social injustice, not just through firsthand experience, but analytically.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And he never graduates the seminary, which is the highest level of education that was available to somebody in the caucuses because they don't have a university because the czarist regime is afraid to allow a university.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They need the university graduates, but again, they're afraid of the politics of it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And universities elsewhere, including in the capital, St.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Petersburg, are constantly being shut down through these revolutionary episodes.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So he goes into the underground, and for 20 years of his life, he's got no job, no profession, no source of income.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

He's in and out of prison, in and out of Siberian exile, constantly harassed by the police.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

If he escapes, they find him, they put him back.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So from the ages of about 17, 18...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

to the age of late 30s.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

He's a penniless, jobless revolutionary dedicated to fighting the genuine injustices of the Tsarist regime.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

What he'll produce is a much more unjust regime than the one he's fighting against.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So this is known as perverse and unintended consequences.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

He's legitimately dedicated to revolution as he understands it in his day.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And it's fighting against legitimate injustices.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

But the way he does that, the revolutionary methods that he uses, and then the regime that he ends up building, turn out to be worse than the problem that he was addressing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

This is perverse and unintended consequences.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So your question is about whether revolution is a good thing, ultimately, even if...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

The injustices are there.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And whether there could have been some solution that was more evolutionary that could get you to a better place.