Tanya Mosley

Okay.

I want to talk about something that is a different story about this technology, but it still connects to your reporting.

So the New York Times recently reported on a romance novelist in South Africa who used Claude to publish more than 200 novels last year.

And one of the authors in that story discovered that more than 80 of her novels had been used to train Claude without her knowledge or consent.

So Anthropic settled a class action lawsuit over this for a billion and a half dollars.

So Claude is producing work that displaces human writers, and it learned how to do it by consuming their work without permission.

How do the people at Anthropic talk about that?

How do you view the AI slot that we see video-wise today?

Do you think that the public will accept this new world of storytelling?

If you're just joining us, I'm talking with Gideon Lewis-Kraus about his New Yorker piece on the AI company Anthropic and its chatbot, Claude.

We'll be right back.

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Today I'm talking with journalist Gideon Lewis-Kraus about his New Yorker feature, What is Claude?

Anthropic doesn't know either.

These systems are now able to write their own code.

You write about an anthropic engineer who told you that in six months, the proportion of code he wrote himself dropped from 100% to zero.

And then there was another programmer who told you he was trying to think about how to use his time now that Claude is working better.

So these are people in the building who are working on this thing, and they're watching themselves become obsolete in real time.

And to a certain extent, this is what happens with advancements, but is this progression different?