Tom Drake

He's down in the Situation Room, which is underneath the White House. Cheney. Cheney in particular. I mean, Bush would be there too, but Cheney, he basically was leading. And of course, they're having these meetings right after 9-11. What else can we do? What else can we do? Are there any other authorities?

There are certain executive orders, without getting into the weeds, that allow the government to... increase their ability right to provide protection for the for the country still has to be within the bounds of the constitution you're not allowed even under emergency circumstances to basically suspend the constitution you're not right but there are things where you have some flexibility

There are certain executive orders, without getting into the weeds, that allow the government to... increase their ability right to provide protection for the for the country still has to be within the bounds of the constitution you're not allowed even under emergency circumstances to basically suspend the constitution you're not right but there are things where you have some flexibility

There are certain executive orders, without getting into the weeds, that allow the government to... increase their ability right to provide protection for the for the country still has to be within the bounds of the constitution you're not allowed even under emergency circumstances to basically suspend the constitution you're not right but there are things where you have some flexibility

Even under FISA, I'm going to introduce FISA, under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, we had annual training to ensure that, because of the scandals in the 70s, to ensure that we did not, without a warrant, we couldn't just routinely collect, except under special training regulations.

Even under FISA, I'm going to introduce FISA, under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, we had annual training to ensure that, because of the scandals in the 70s, to ensure that we did not, without a warrant, we couldn't just routinely collect, except under special training regulations.

Even under FISA, I'm going to introduce FISA, under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, we had annual training to ensure that, because of the scandals in the 70s, to ensure that we did not, without a warrant, we couldn't just routinely collect, except under special training regulations.

circumstances and even then it was highly controlled right um you couldn't collect analyze etc because that's sacrosanct it's the fourth amendment okay super high bar but you can and even under fisa there was provisions to hot pursuit meaning you could go after somebody foreign intelligence u.s person u.s citizen resident resident uh basically a foreign but resident right legal resident right

circumstances and even then it was highly controlled right um you couldn't collect analyze etc because that's sacrosanct it's the fourth amendment okay super high bar but you can and even under fisa there was provisions to hot pursuit meaning you could go after somebody foreign intelligence u.s person u.s citizen resident resident uh basically a foreign but resident right legal resident right

circumstances and even then it was highly controlled right um you couldn't collect analyze etc because that's sacrosanct it's the fourth amendment okay super high bar but you can and even under fisa there was provisions to hot pursuit meaning you could go after somebody foreign intelligence u.s person u.s citizen resident resident uh basically a foreign but resident right legal resident right

slash visitor, but legal. Could be visa, could be green card, or some equivalent, or there's different visas. Okay. Or, interestingly enough, U.S. corporation. Not just stateside, not just boundaries, but also overseas. Okay. Which means even when I was in RC-135, we couldn't just start collecting. Now, we did have an emergency support mission.

slash visitor, but legal. Could be visa, could be green card, or some equivalent, or there's different visas. Okay. Or, interestingly enough, U.S. corporation. Not just stateside, not just boundaries, but also overseas. Okay. Which means even when I was in RC-135, we couldn't just start collecting. Now, we did have an emergency support mission.

slash visitor, but legal. Could be visa, could be green card, or some equivalent, or there's different visas. Okay. Or, interestingly enough, U.S. corporation. Not just stateside, not just boundaries, but also overseas. Okay. Which means even when I was in RC-135, we couldn't just start collecting. Now, we did have an emergency support mission.

If someone was in distress, ship in distress or in distress, we then could help assist. But that was specifically to help save lives or search and rescue. Right, sure. So FISA had criminal sanctions. You violate it. $10,000 fine, five years in prison for every incident in which you violate the Fourth Amendment rights of a US person. Okay. Criminal use of the 18, US 18, right?

If someone was in distress, ship in distress or in distress, we then could help assist. But that was specifically to help save lives or search and rescue. Right, sure. So FISA had criminal sanctions. You violate it. $10,000 fine, five years in prison for every incident in which you violate the Fourth Amendment rights of a US person. Okay. Criminal use of the 18, US 18, right?

If someone was in distress, ship in distress or in distress, we then could help assist. But that was specifically to help save lives or search and rescue. Right, sure. So FISA had criminal sanctions. You violate it. $10,000 fine, five years in prison for every incident in which you violate the Fourth Amendment rights of a US person. Okay. Criminal use of the 18, US 18, right?

That's the criminal code. I pause because this is, here I was. Shortly after 9-11, I discovered that they were taking the vast power of NSA and

That's the criminal code. I pause because this is, here I was. Shortly after 9-11, I discovered that they were taking the vast power of NSA and

That's the criminal code. I pause because this is, here I was. Shortly after 9-11, I discovered that they were taking the vast power of NSA and

extraordinary power power in which they essentially had carte blanche to do just about anything when it came to collection but now use that vast power in addition to overseas use that vast power remember they had failed remember that's why pearl harbor what happened was so critical because the whole thing this whole national security establishment was set up after night after the end of world war ii was to preclude another surprise attack here not only were we quote i'll say surprised we weren't