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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
This story's a little sensitive to me because this is a story where I failed miserably.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
I was at the gym the other day lifting weights at 5 in the morning, and Fox Business News was on. And I look up, who do I see? Matt Cox trying to sell some mortgage product or whatever. Right. And my point, though, is that in the world of Hawaii, these were local celebrities and people trusted them. And they were also movers and shakers in their church. And they also drove matching Maseratis.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Punahou is a school that Barack Obama went to. Oh! Oh, okay. So it is the place for rich kids in Hawaii to go to school. And it's a very great school and the people there are wildly successful. Somewhere along the line, he meets a woman named Julianne Balduesa, who's 100% Filipina. Not super rich, but kind of one of these, I call her a Filipina princess, likes the best of everything. Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
So why wouldn't you trust them? And these people were just basically put on a pedestal. Finally, this thing starts to collapse and and the banks begin filing suspicious activity reports with the FBI showing that, you know, in in.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
that the borrower the homeowners whose houses were the second homeowners the buyers in the original bad transaction their houses were starting to go into foreclosure the banks are shock shock shock that this had occurred and uh and they begin contacting the fbi they the bankers talk to some of their their borrowers who explain what happened and so they're telling my partners at the fbi
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
There's a real problem here. Mortgage Alliance has gone crazy and is involved in this really complicated scheme. And so there's one woman named Laura Christo, who is one of the straw borrowers. And a very nice lady ran a Mexican restaurant with delicious food on Oahu. And she had met John and Julianne, I believe, at church. She was a very devout Christian herself.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
and kind of agreed to help out and like her credits ruined she's getting like you know notices of foreclosure she got really screwed and so we wire her up to go talk to john and uh and so she wires up with john she's like i'm gonna go to the fbi and john's like the fbi is already on me i don't care go to the fbi and so it was very good recording and uh so finally cutting to the chase uh john and julianne are indicted on wire fraud conspiracy and bank fraud charges
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And so they, like all good people who are indicted for mortgage fraud, they decided to plead guilty.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
What happened? They just said they pled guilty.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
We're a kinder, gentler FBI in Honolulu. They're not flight risks. They're not dangerous to the community. They lawyer up. They got two lawyers. He got one lawyer. She got another. Very good attorneys. Friends of mine, both of those attorneys because it's a very tight-knit community in Hawaii.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
If my wife was like, I need my own attorney, I'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
I think it's actually a conflict of interest for an attorney to represent both the husband and wife.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Doesn't matter because neither one was going, neither one needed to cooperate against the other because they both chose to plead guilty. Okay. And again, April 2009. Well, how much money was this, by the way? It's an interesting question. Okay. So as always, I think they ended up getting, you know, there's three numbers that are pertinent, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
The amount of the loss to the bank is kind of slightly different because the bank is now foreclosing upon these houses for finally and going to recover some of that money through the foreclosure sale. Then there's the loss, which is how much did John and Julianne get, which I think was well into the high hundreds of thousands of dollars. I don't think it was quite a million.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And then there's the how much are they pleading to? Because again, with all these plea agreements, the US Attorney's Office is picking the strongest four or five transactions and using that as the charging mechanism. which wasn't all that high.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
So they were looking at only like two or three years in prison, according to the federal sentencing guidelines, when they played guilty, according to the plea agreement they entered into with the Department of Justice.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Exactly. And so, and I think that's what happened. So what happens is then, and I'll say this, you know this, but some of your viewers may not, that the federal system of criminal justice is not like TV where the SWAT team kicks it down your door and you're kind of sitting there in prison chained to a wall waiting your sentencing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And they get married in an expensive wedding ceremony in Waikiki, and they're together. This is the early 2000s, let's say. John was a mortgage loan officer. That's all I've said. That's all you know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Unless you're a flight risk or a danger to the community or a violent criminal or something like that, for the most part, it's very humane, you know. hey, come on in on July 10th or in April 9th for your guilty plea. Bring your passports. They surrender their passports to U.S. probation. Go on home. 90 days, we'll do your sentencing. And then 90 days after that, you'll report to prison.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And the whole time, they would just be chilling out at home. The vast majority of financial crime cases, that's how it works. So the fact that they were allowed to surrender their passports and go home was not unusual. But as it turned out, it was a huge mistake.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Let's get ahead of, we're not getting ahead of ourselves here. So again, passport surrendered, asset seizures take place, taking their cars, taking their money. John and Julianne have nothing, nothing. They are at this point of the story, sleeping on air mattresses on one of their parents' floors. So things have gone horribly wrong.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
My impression is that Julie was very much at peace with the idea of going to prison for a couple years and putting this behind her and then moving on with her life. My impression is that John was not. Okay. Right? Both because of the fall from grace that he had had, the fact that he really liked being a pillar in the community.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
He's a rich kid who went to Punahou, which is a very big deal that has a lot of social capital in Honolulu. Is that a university? No, that's the high school that Barack Obama went to that he went to. Okay. I mean, it's an excellent school. And so sentencing, July 6, 2010. Everyone's in court. The Laura Christos are in court. The prosecutor's in court. The attorney's in court.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
John and Julianne are a no-show. They're just not there at all.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Well, they're gone. They don't show up. It's what the judge does. The judge finally issues a bench warrant. So now there's a warrant for their arrest. At that moment, they become fugitives. Fugitives for us to catch at the FBI.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
The U S marshals will defer to the investigating agency for catching their own fugitives. Again, if we chose to do nothing, we could have contacted the U S marshals and said, Hey, This is your problem, not ours, but that's no way to run a law enforcement agency, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
The FBI had been investigating these guys now for a couple of years and had a decent understanding as to who they were and what they were about. And also the FBI felt it was just kind of an affront that these guys didn't show up. So the marshals are certainly available to help in these situations, but it's really the FBI's problem, as well it should be, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
The FBI has, you know, there's no magic skill to catching fugitives. The FBI is perfectly capable of doing it. The marshals are also very good at it. But again, having the base of knowledge about who these people are gave the FBI a leg up, and it made sense for this case to remain at the FBI.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Exactly. So, you know, he's out there, you know, doing mortgages for people, both regular mortgages and kind of cash out mortgages. Because the thing with the people of Hawaii are a lot of them own houses that don't look like much, but they're worth a fortune because the land underneath their feet is worth a fortune because it's an island. They're not making any more.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Well, that's the first place you check, right? You head out to your head out to their house, talk to their parents. Where's John? Where's Julianne? I don't know. They're gone. They're just not around.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
You're asking the right questions, Matt Cox. We checked the flight manifest. We checked the ship manifest. There's no proof whatsoever that John and Julianne left the island. Take identities. There's all sorts of possibilities we can consider. We figured out what happened. Okay. And we'll get to that. But they're just gone. Okay. So 2011, we begin getting intel. When did they leave by? Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Well, they did not show up for their own sentencing on July 6, 2010. Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Right. And so we're, you know, I'm the publicity guy. So I'm on TV ranting and raving, you know, like right along with the FBI while we look for the Demetrians type stuff. Right. And nothing is hitting. Like there's no indication whatsoever. And so we're kind of puzzled. How do you get off this island? And so 2011, we begin getting interesting intel.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Are you familiar with the Sovereign Citizen Movement? Yeah. Yes, I am.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Right. And so you ever heard of the, right. So John and Julianne somewhere along the line appear to have embraced the sovereign citizen ideology.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And people tend to inherit homes from their families. And sometimes those homes are completely paid off. and people go get mortgages to get cash to either fix up the house or kind of deal with their day-to-day life. That's what John was doing, was giving people both originating mortgages, second mortgages, cash-out mortgages, all that. You get it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Right. But understand where they're coming from, right? Their world is collapsing upon them. They're grasping at straws. I think that's exactly right. Are you familiar with the straw man theory that the sovereign citizens believe in?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Basically, it's the belief that the actual government of the United States establishes a secret account in your name filled with money that if you do the right kind of... It's almost like an incantation to a god. But if you write these documents and you write things on checks and do that, then you can begin drawing upon the secret bank account filled with money that...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Your name that's associated with your social security number. There's all sorts of wacky stuff like okay We kept the dashes between your social security number and all that have a cute.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Right. So a lot of sovereign citizens who've kind of bought into the straw man theory and the two go really hand in hand, get themselves in trouble for trying to pay debts using counterfeit checks, thinking that that money is going to then draw upon their secret account. They'll even create. I did two cases of people in Jacksonville who who were creating U.S.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Treasury checks on their computer with the right verbiage on it to draw from their straw man account, both of which went to prison.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Exactly. In fact, investigating sovereign citizen check frauds is how I met and partnered up with the agent who put you in prison.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
She was. She left and became a Treasury agent. So I partnered with her on that because when you're drawing checks up on the U.S. Treasury, she has some expertise there and she was great to work with. She was always very professional, a very nice professional person. All right, so the Demetrians have bought into this idea as part of the story.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
So at this point, there was also a guy in Ozark, Alabama named James Timothy Turner. And he had an organization, a sovereign citizen group called the Republic of the United States of America. Or RUSA, R-U-S-A. Okay. And he had a big online presence, wrote books, kind of a really, really high profile guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
He also, though, had a real penchant, he and Julie, for get-rich-quick schemes. So any get-rich-quick scheme that came down the pipeline where he thought he could make money, he latched on to. One of the most famous ones was featured on American Greed, and there's a video on it if you wanted to use it for B-roll. Remember those curly light bulbs? Yeah, yeah. The pigtails.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And his thought, his idea was that he is going to form an alternative government for the United States of America, for his group, RUSA, the Republic of the United States of America. And he needed to staff that with the best and brightest people when the revolution happened to kind of form this new government out of the ashes of the U.S. Okay. And he was kind of like a cult leader.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
People bought into him and liked him. And somehow, John Demetriou and Mr. Turner begin corresponding online, emails, text messages, instant messages. And John Demetriou says, listen, I'm a big guy in the mortgage industry here. And I have the ability and I've figured out how to draw upon these straw man accounts to fund the Republic of the United States of America.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And which is exactly music to Turner's ears, right? Because he believes in this stuff. I mean, I don't think he's a con artist. I think he is a true believer. And so he agrees to make he begins calling John Demetri and his pet name for him was Little Brother. So he decides that Little Brother would be a perfect secretary of the Treasury for the Republic of the United States of America.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
But what's the problem with that? John's going away. Yeah. Well, we got to stop that. And so he does. And so John convinces Turner that he would be the appropriate secretary of the treasury because he could access the straw man money. Turner needs this. And Turner had, to his credit, had a sizable network of people who believed in this philosophy, people who either disgruntled with the U.S.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
or bought into the sovereign citizen movement, one of which was a doctor who had some money. And so he convinces this doctor to help get John and Julianne off the island by, what do you call it? Yacht? Plane. Plane. By chartering a plane. And so on July 3, 2010, three days before their sentencing...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
a private aircraft lands in honolulu airport and they uh and john and julianne meet the plane at the airport but they wanted to make sure they were as um inconspicuous as possible to the pilot and so john pretends to be an epileptic and uh like with the fits and the all that and julianne pretends to be his nurse and uh kind of Being as weird and awkward as possible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
So the pilot didn't want to kind of be intrusive and look at them and kind of like focus on them too much because they got this guy like shaking like a leaf and his nurse like kind of helping him onto the plane. And the they were in disguises, too.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
We don't have the full information about what they were doing, but we were told that he was dressed as a person who was seriously infirmed, and she was dressed as a credible nurse. I don't know if she got dressed up in a full nursing outfit from Party City or how that worked. Maybe she already had some lingerie. Perhaps, yeah. She was a lingerie girl. And so...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
The plane flies them to Utah, and then they get off in Utah. There's no manifest saying they left. It's a private plane. Private plane. Private plane. And think of the plane like an Uber. Yeah, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
So he had these curly light bulbs that he said that if you plug it into your house, the very expensive curly light bulbs is what he had. It would purify the air. It would make you less sick. It would have all these incredible health benefits. He did infomercials on local television in Hawaii trying to sell curly light bulbs to dum-dums.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
It's an exciting and innovative Hail Mary pass at the fourth quarter of the game. They make it to Utah. And then Mr. Turner arranges for them like this basically underground railroad of sovereign citizens to drive them all the way across the country from one car to another. This is good. From Utah to Alabama, like Dothan, Alabama area. They're meeting in like.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Right. At one point, they're living in a RV in Lake Eufaula, E-U-F-A-L-L-A, Alabama. And then the trail goes cold for us trying to piece together what happened.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Well, you may be shocked to learn that when you're doing the James Turner thing The FBI may try to keep your finger on the pulse of what you're up to Okay, right and so so the FBI we had agents investigating Turner and his movement that was going to overthrow the US government and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And then we had three goofballs, myself included, in Honolulu, like looking under palm trees for John and Julie and Demetrium. And it took a while before one of their confidential human sources on the Turner thing was able to tell their control agent, This crazy story about this couple from Honolulu, little brothers, she didn't even know their names, that they flew across and got across.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And so we had this informant with Turner's organization telling the Turner people that. The Turner people were like, that's a weird story. And they began looking and find us in Honolulu, the team looking for John and Julianne. And so we were able to marry up the two cases pretty well.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
No, I don't get that impression. I think a lot of these sovereign citizens are broke as a joke, and he was too, from what I gather.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Last we heard, they were hiding out in an RV in Lake Eufaula, and then they were no longer there. Turner goes to jail for tax fraud. He's a former commercial fisherman, lived in rural South Alabama. He tried to pay his taxes with a fictitious $300 million bond and then helped others do the same with bogus security. So that doesn't end well for him. How much time did he get? 18 years. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
He went to prison in 2013 for 18 years. He spent such a long time for some paperwork.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
I mean, he's a political prisoner, right? People want him to be let loose. I know so many of these guys in there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And my impression is that he is still very much a true believer.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
So we go on this giant publicity campaign, we're now going nationwide, turn in John and Julianne Demetrian, and we get tons and tons of leads of people who saw two short Filipinos, and we chased every single one of those down, and none of them were John and Julianne Demetrian. The one tell I have where John's 5'7", Julie is 4'11". Right, she's tiny. Tiny.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
So again, we're talking about a guy here who has a very expensive wife. And who is trying to make money to keep her kind of fed. Right. And so he forms, he ended up forming his own mortgage company in 2001 called Mortgage Alliance. And they used to have like the corniest TV ads on TV. Again, trying to sell mortgage, regular mortgages and cash out mortgages.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And so when, even to this day, I get calls from people who say that they have found John and Julie and Dimitri because they are still at large. We never caught them. I failed. I failed spectacularly. You're hard on yourself. I am hard on myself. I have this great win record, but I failed to find these two morons. What are they doing?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
But when people call me and say, listen, I think my next door neighbors are John and Julianne Dimitri. I take every single one of those calls seriously. All right, tell me about them. Do you have pictures of them? Do you have this? Do you have that? Sometimes they send pictures. I'm like, this looks close. I mean, again, it's been a while, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
It's been now, what, 12 years since they disappeared. And I go, how tall is the lady? And they go, she's got to be 5'6". And I go, eh, eh, because I don't tell people that she's 4'11". I don't want confirmation bias. So 2012, American Greed comes out. The American Greed, for those of you who don't know, is a very popular kind of white collar crime, true crime show on CNBC.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
They're launching a spinoff show called American Greed, The Fugitives. And in the very first episode in 2012 of American Greed, The Fugitives, they did an episode on John and Julianne Demetrian featuring me. It's available right now on Prime Video. We have the link.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
type in american greed the fugitives and you get and you can watch it yourself they did an excellent job and so we were so excited for this thing to air you know me and my partners filmed this thing we did a good job i know there's a quality show that can make white collar crime stories come alive i know feel what the ratings are so the night it's airing we set up a command post at the fbi honolulu
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
You know, we bring in pizza because it might be an all-nighter. We tell the front desk, the switchboard, all right, you can put the calls through to us. But if there's no, you know, if we're all on the phone talking to people with leads, here's some forms for you to fill out information on what the lead is. And I want you to hand carry it to us.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
You know, we're going to be going all night on this thing. The show comes on, not a single call. None? Not one call to the FBI when the show aired live for the first time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Oh, my God, yeah. They're most wanted white-collar crime fugitives. The nice thing about American Greed is that they show the episodes fairly regularly. You did an episode, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Yeah, and my guess is that every... Not from the same seat you were in. Right. My guess, though, is that every six to eight months, someone calls you and says, dude, I just saw you on CNBC. And they're replaying that episode. Yeah. It's like whenever they have an hour to fill on CNBC between, you know, stock tickers or whatever, they just throw American Greed on.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
I didn't know you were in Honolulu, but yes. Right. This was the American Greed. Yeah, they did an episode of American Greed about this. And I love coming on your show because I get to tell stories that make me look great, right? I get to make me look like this fantastic agent who solves every crime and always gets the bad guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And so the show has been in constant rotation since 2012. And leads come in to the FBI. Eventually, though, I retired and it stopped being my problem. But it didn't stop being a thorn in my side. So then what happened as a private investigator is I became wildly famous on Instagram and TikTok. It is true.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And I did a video basically telling a 90-second version of the story about how this is not something I'm proud of, but this is what happened. At the end of the video, I'm like, so John and Julianne, if you're watching, give me a call. Let's go get a beer. I want to hear how you did it. Right. And they have not called me to get a beer.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
But what's happened, though, is my video of the Demetrians, which I rerun every six months or so, is one of my most popular videos. I can count on getting hundreds of thousands of views. And then I get contacted by people who have seen John and Julianne, allegedly. And then I funnel that to the FBI in Honolulu because it's not my job to catch them.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
But the business near as I could tell was mostly legitimate. I'm sure they were involved in the shenanigans that everyone was involved in the mortgage industry at that time. You know, we're increasing people's income falsely, maybe creating a W-2 here or there, but nothing systemic.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Right. So we have done some things. I'll tell you some things we did and some things we didn't do. These people never lived anywhere other than Hawaii. And so let's start with the premise that they're stupid for doing this, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
They could have served like 85% of two years if they got a good sentence and then be back in Hawaii, kicking it, making a name for themselves again, rebuilding their lives. Life as a fugitive is no fun. Can you attest to that? You're looking over your shoulder.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Right, exactly. So let's go through some of the theories that we tossed around. I want to hear your thoughts. So one possibility is that somehow they figured out how to get out of the U.S., and they went to the Philippines or somewhere they may have some extended family, and they're living quite comfortably in the Philippines. Possible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Don't know how you do it because this is post 9-11 where passport control is super tight. And, you know, passports now are not something you can go buy from some back office counterfeiter there. You know, there's watermarks and barcodes and stuff like that. So I'm open to the idea that they got out of the country somehow and they're living quite comfortably in the Philippines.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But I don't know how they did that. And I'm also know the worldwide reach of the FBI and the worldwide reach of media that someone in the Philippines may like. There's a reward for them, you know, 20,000 bucks, but it's still a reward. And for someone in the Philippines, that's the riches of the Orient.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So why wouldn't someone in the Philippines let us know that and then facilitate the extradition?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, no. I love your thought process because it's the same thought process we had. So we began putting the full court press on the Demetrians and the Baldoises, his family and her family. And after kind of stonewalling and lying and lawyering up, we got an audience with Dr. Demetrian, the dad, and he said that they're in touch.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But they're in touch via a, again, this is a while ago, a kind of encrypted Skype app, basically. And, you know, what do you call it, VPN? Yeah, VPN. So, yeah, so the whole thing, like.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Agreed. But it's untrackable to us and he's not really cooperating. Right. And it's not enough for us to get a wiretap on him or his phone. And it's not like they're and he says they're off the rockers and still talking about that. You know, we know we're going to be drawing up still talking, you know, crazy conspiracy, sovereign citizen stuff and all that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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His story was that he didn't know. Right. Okay. Yeah. And, uh, but it gives me sense that there's proof of life, right. That there, um, that they weren't just killed and lying in some circle grave, uh, because they pissed off a sovereign citizen in Alabama. Right, right, right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They get busted for drunk driving or jaywalking, and they're fingerprinted. They're screwed. Keep in mind, they went through the process. They were processed. They were found guilty. They pled guilty, and they just missed their sentencing, and they've been on the run ever since then for, gosh, 12 years now. And so big process.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. And so so, you know, are they in the U.S.? Are they overseas? Are they living in Mexico? Are they living in the Caribbean? Am I going to go to a Club Med resort and have like John Demetri and get me a Shirley Temple? I don't know, because they're smarter than I am, Matt. I don't think that's true. Rather, they have outsmarted me. And well, that's, you know, for the moment.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So I called my friends at the FBI in Honolulu. I'm like, you got someone assigned to this? And they go, yeah, yeah. And they gave me the name of the agent. I didn't know who he or she was. And I go, are you guys doing anything? And they go, yeah, we get a couple leads a week from people who say they've seen the Demetrians. And it's people who are watching my videos and contacting them.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm sure it's got to be it. Or see American Greed on reruns. And they go, we run everything down. It's just not them. It's never been them.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Who knows? I talked to an agent down in Alabama after 9-11 attacks because we were... After the 9-11 attacks, we were getting barraged with phone calls from people saying that, hey, listen, my neighbor's Arab. He's super suspicious. He comes and goes all hours of the night. And we were like, all right. And we go, what makes him so suspicious? He's coming and going all hours of the night.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You go talk to the guy. He's like a cab driver. He's the nicest guy in the world. He's not a terrorist. And I go, what did you guys do in Alabama when there's not like an Arab population in your town? And he goes, oh, we got the same calls. And they go... We got some terrorists living next door. And they go, yeah, what do you know about them? They're coming and going. They're real suspicious.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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All hours of the night. They're up to nothing. They're up to no good. Do you know their names? Yeah, it's Ramirez and Martinez. So, yeah, but the Demetrians may have that same impact on people where they could be ethnically anything they want. So I wish I had some great punchline for you, but here's the opportunity. American greed has failed me. My Instagram and TikTok have failed me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Local Hawaii news, YouTube has failed me. I'm counting on Inside True Crime with Matthew Cox to find them. And then if it happens and somehow we're able to weasel our way into the reward, I will split that money with you 50-50.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They're picking soybeans. Leave them alone.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right. No Matthew Cox viewer should take the law into their own hands. But if the viewer funnels it to Matt and I, Matt and I'd suss it out with our investigative abilities here, hand it off to the FBI and grab them. There's 20,000 bucks sitting there with our name on it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I remember the night American Greed was airing, my boss swings by and goes, you guys good tonight? Are you guys ready for this? And I go, we're ready. And I go, by the way, what's the reward? And he goes, I don't know how much you want to give. How much am I allowed to give? And I go, you can sign off on $20,000 just with yourself. Otherwise, we've got to go to headquarters and get funding.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He didn't know this. And And he goes, all right, 20 grand. We never discussed if it's 10 grand per Demetrian or 20 grand per Demetrian or if it's 20 for the package. And so I feel all this is negotiable. Right. But I'm also the guy who wrote up the reward. So it feels like a bit of a conflict of interest.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He's a smart boss, but he just didn't know what that particular policy was because he'd never encountered this. Because the idea of anyone becoming a fugitive from Hawaii is preposterous. Oh, my gosh. Okay. Well, that's the Demetrians. So if any Matthew Cox viewers find the Demetrians, they can contact me directly at Simon Investigations on TikTok and Instagram. Oh, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Much obliged, dude.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Sadly, no. And even if they did, there's not a great way for me to get a hold of them is the problem. I was able to find the tango king when we told that story on your show about a Mexican fugitive I tracked down who happened to be this tango dancer. I was able to track him down in Mexico. I don't even have a lead on them. If I wanted to get a message to them, I couldn't.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Let me tell you an idea that got shot down. I said, because I always believed in my heart with no evidence that either his parents or her parents truly know where they're hiding and they're not sharing that with us.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And so I came up with this idea where we get a bunch of Honolulu police officers and like seven FBI agents and we show up to one of the parents' houses with the lights on at like two in the morning. I create such a ruckus, bang on the door, get the parents out of bed.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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and tell them that we've been monitoring the sovereign citizen movement on a wiretap, and they say that they're going to murder John and Julianne, and they're sending a hit squad to kill them. You need to tell us where they are right now so we can rescue them from the hit squad. We'll deal with this other white collar crime stuff later, but where are they now? Because they're about to be killed.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And my partners are like, that's a great idea. That's such a good idea. That's such a good idea. We brought it to the Chief Division Counsel of the Honolulu Division of the FBI. He's like, are you fucking crazy? He's like, you're going to tell parents that their kids are about to be killed, so they'll tell you where their kids are hiding out. Can you imagine how that makes us look? You monster.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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All right, we'll go back to my desk and start thinking more.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Just with like police surrounding the house. Like, you've got to tell us your lives are in the damn balance.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It's worth a try. Just another day at the office. Made you look.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right. All right. They're in Nebraska. That's all I know. What do I do then? Right. And so maybe it was a harebrained idea. But I was so frustrated with this because I knew in my heart that I was smarter than them, but they kept outsmarting me, and I was unable to find them.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. See, you need one good lead, you know, like the Dancing USA magazine thing when they call it the tango dancer. And then from that, you can kind of exploit that and work that. We just never had that one good lead.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I think if the families both cooperated and were willing to sit down and speak candidly with the FBI, we'd probably get something there, but you just can't compel people to do that in our country. You know, the problem is that...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Not the country in either. That's not my America, Matt Cox.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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We've had this conversation with me and the other folks who care about this case this many years later that that whatever they're doing to make a living, there are no human victims. Yeah, because there would be human victims are not quiet after they've been ripped off. Right. And so So it's got to be it's got to be a regular job.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It's also important to note, just as a kind of side note, that the story I just told unfolded to us way later. We learned about their dramatic escape from Hawaii and then the cross-country trip and their connections with the sovereign citizens like a year after that had occurred. And so by the time we even knew about that, the trail was ice cold.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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um i think he was in the legal process at that time i don't i didn't really focus a ton on his case i just knew that he was the um because you would think that somebody could have gone to him you know why doesn't the fbi go to him and say listen if you can help us like you know you're doing 18 years you can get a rule 35 on this help me tell us where these people are if you know yeah it's a bit a bit like cooperating down though like
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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objectively turner is a bigger threat to uh to the united states than john and julianne dimitri but you're not letting him out of jail you're going to just take a cup he's getting out eventually anyway yeah instead of doing 18 hey we're going to drop we're not three years off of 18 you're not saying get out of jail free card well if he's got a story to tell he knows how to reach out and tell that story to truck play let's make a deal write him a letter exactly
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Hey, so that's John and Julianne Demetrian. If anyone knows where they are, contact your local FBI office or Simon Investigations on Instagram.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. No, I mean, I had other cases where I failed to make the case because the evidence was insufficient. But this is the only fugitive case I had that I just failed so miserably. And I promise anyone out there in YouTube land who's even considering hiring me, I'm a better investigator than this case would have you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Oh, I have some cases to tell you about.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I have a couple more things to tell you about today to fill the time. But the Demetrians was the headline story.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It's a good batting average.
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26 years.
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Under the razor wire?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You should be my therapist. Yeah, exactly. You are somebody, Tom. You're not dumb. You're not dumb and ugly like everyone says. I don't have a whole lot of other cases that I never caught the fugitive, but I've worked a few more cases that we haven't discussed. Think about that. Well, the percentage of my cases that ever became fugitive cases was relatively small.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So I can't claim that, you know, I was this master fugitive hunter. I was never on a fugitive squad where I did nothing but that for a living. But if you work a white collar crime case against a bad guy and they decide to flee, you own that fugitive case. So eventually you get good at working fugitive cases. But I can't sit here and claim that being a manhunter is my specialty.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Clearly after the Demetrians, right? Yeah. You're really down on yourself. I'm totally down on myself. This is a giant failure for me. A very public failure because there was so much publicity.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I have offered to have a beer with them on Instagram and they have yet to take me up on it.
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You could chain me to a chair and give him a head start. We could all just hash it out, hash out our differences. Could you imagine that?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's ridiculous. It's a terrible decision. It's got to be just such a stressor.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Well, and just not seeing your family. I mean, the people who are from Hawaii and kind of grew up there, they love Hawaii. Like, Hawaii is their identity. That soil there means something to them. And the idea that they were trying to avoid two or three years in prison by never returning to Hawaii and seeing their families again was bonkers. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I know.
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All right, I got a case I want to tell you about that I worked, oh gosh, it was pre-9-11. So probably like maybe it might have been the year 2000, might have been the late 90s. Subject's name was Kelly. And she was a bookkeeper for a machine tool company in suburban Chicago. And very small company, but she ran the finances of the company and did everything.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Her boss did what's probably the worst financial practice a small business owner can do. He signed blank checks and gave Kelly a stack of them so she could pay the bills of the company without bothering the boss who was very busy running his machine tool company.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Of all the internal controls that are out there to kind of make sure no one rips you off, signing blank checks is probably like the worst idea. Right. Okay. And so she took company checks and began making them payable to herself and to her credit card. Okay. But because she was the bookkeeper, she also had the ability to...
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intercept the bank statements when they came in, and this is back in the days where they would actually send you your check back, and she would shred or tear up the checks when they would return, and then she'd make false entries into the accounting records of this small business to make it appear as if she's paying legitimate vendors at the company with the dollar amounts of these checks.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That make sense?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I mean, false vendor schemes are kind of a very, very common way.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I've seen every variation of this. This was kind of the very basic, most basic embezzlement scheme you can do. And the reason it was possible is because of this company, they had no segregation of duties. And when I consult with corporations and companies, I tell them that it's so important to make sure that the access to the assets of the company
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are with a different employee than the person who handles managing the accounting records of the company. If I make sure that the person who can write checks and sign checks is different than the person who enters that into QuickBooks, you're pretty much going to stop the possibility of embezzlements happening.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But small businesses say, oh, we can't afford two financial people, or I'm too busy to write the checks myself or maintain any security over the check stock.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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She was a member of our family, our corporate family. Good person. Right, exactly. She stole 272 signed checks totaling $517,000, made payable to Kelly and to her credit card. Over what span? About 18 months. He didn't miss half a million dollars? Business was booming. And I'm sure he missed it. And he took a look and he saw that the, you know, my gosh, we're paying a lot of money for electricity.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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We're paying a lot of money for gasoline. We're paying a lot of money for this. We're paying a lot of money for that. Why aren't we making more money is what I always hear from the owners of these companies. But yeah, 517,000 bucks.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Until he finds it, until he begins actually asking those very questions and starts seeing checks that were supposed to be going to pay the phone bill for the company that were actually going to Kelly and going to Kelly's credit card account. So the company owner finds this out, calls the FBI, I get assigned the case. pretty easy case to work, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You take a look at the checks, you take a look at the accounting records, you create a spreadsheet kind of tallying it all up, $517,000 loss. So I've done everything I can to make the case. I get her credit card records, a lot of retail purchases happening there. clothing stores, a ton of money at clothing stores of all the things. But no giant big assets that I can kind of latch on to.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Let's jump forward to 2008. He had an idea. There was a lot of people who were risking foreclosure in Hawaii.
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But $517,000 over an 18-month period is a lot of money, but it's not like go-crazy money. And she wasn't highly paid at her regular job, probably making $50,000 a year or so, maybe $40,000. So a chunk of money. She didn't buy anything worth anything? Nothing worth seizing. But here's where we go. So...
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After I make that case and kind of gain understanding what happened, the next thing I do is to go talk to Kelly. And the way I would do it, I wouldn't go and arrest Kelly because then I want to get the confession from her.
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And the reason I want to get the confession from her is the same with every single case because it streamlines the guilty plea, if I can get a signed confession from the bad guy. And so I go to Kelly's house quite by accident. The timing was quite by accident. And it was like one in the afternoon, you know, get to her house. I pull into her driveway in my FBI car. I had another agent with me.
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And I'd always tell them, you're just here to prove it. You're here to avenge my death. If someone kills me, don't say anything. Knock on the door. You know, Kelly answers. I'm in my suit. I identify myself. My name is Special Agent Tom Simon Kelly. I'm with the FBI. I need to talk to you. What do we need? What is this about? It's about your former employer. We got to talk.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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This story is a little sensitive to me because this is a story where I failed miserably. There's no happy ending for me, but I'm happy to share it with you in the spirit of transparency. Oh, okay. Okay. Well, I mean, as long as I can get some clicks out of it, I'm willing to put you. I know where your priorities are.
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Kind of went nowhere. I mean, it was consumer fraud for sure. But I think it was just sort of an embarrassing chapter in his life. Made some money at it probably, but not a ton. But that was a recurring theme with him. Any like pyramid scheme he could get involved in, he would. He's not a smart guy. Went to college for a couple of years, failed out, went into the mortgage industry.
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And I'm not here to arrest you. I just want to understand your perspective on what happened. And she's looking over her shoulder. She's like. My son's high school graduation is in one hour. My entire family is inside my house right now. And I go, how about this, Kelly?
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Tell your family that I'm doing a background check on one of your neighbors who's applied for a job requiring a top secret security clearance. You come to my car. We talk for 15, 20 minutes. And then you can go back in with your family. She goes, OK. So she goes inside. She comes out. We go down the steps to her house. She gets in the passenger seat of my car. I begin talking to her.
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She tells me that she confesses. She says, yeah, I did it. I go, why did you do it? And she goes, I have a shopping addiction. All right. I go, what do you mean shopping addiction? What are you addicted to? She goes, I'm addicted to shopping. And I go, tell me more.
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I had never heard of it. And so she said, well, I see like an article of clothing I like and then I put it on and I think it looks good on me. Then I need to buy it in every single color. And I go, so you have like a closet filled with like clothing? She goes, yeah. And she goes, I have a shopping addiction. I go, I'm so sorry. I hope you get the help you need.
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Why don't you sign right here on the confession? And so she signed the confession and I kept my end of the bargain. I said, well, listen, Kelly, I don't know how this is going to play out. It's not up to me to decide what happens to you. Again, I never Mirandized her because she's not in my custody.
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I told her before the interview that she's free to leave at any time and she doesn't have to talk to me, but I'd like to understand her perspective as to how this happened. And she thanked me very much. And she went to her kid's graduation. And I went back to the office and wrote it all up and presented the case to the U.S. Attorney's Office. I think, did we indict her or do information?
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I don't think I went to the federal grand jury until I knew that she would take the path of least resistance. I think at some point we sent her a target letter telling her to get an attorney. She got an attorney. They worked at a plea deal where she would plead to an information, which is a charging mechanism in the federal system, and then a plea agreement.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And she ended up pleading guilty to embezzling $517,000 from this machine tool company. Here's a few months in jail, right? Let me tell you this, because I think you're going to find this interesting, because I've never in 26 years seen someone do what she did. And I think it was so smart. Okay. You've been in these shoes. She's pleading guilty.
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Her attorney has said that as a metaphysical certainty, she will go to prison. At this point, it's the fall. And so she pleads guilty. Her sentencing is going to be like 90 days in the future. And then it's probably going to be 60 days thereafter that she has to report to whatever Bureau of Prisons facility she's been assigned to. She pleads guilty and, you know, no problem there.
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And at the end of her guilty plea, she said, Judge, I want to start my prison time now, today. And the judge is like, well, this is highly unusual. You haven't been sentenced to prison yet. And she goes, I know I'm going to be sentenced to prison. I want to put this behind me. And he's like, does the government have a problem with this? I have no problem. The U.S. Attorney's Office had no problem.
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And her attorney, do you have a problem with this? She goes, she's hell bent on getting this behind her. And so the judge said, well, we don't have the mechanism to like send you to prison right this second, but why don't we make your report date in 48 hours and you go report to prison and then... So she did.
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She went to the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Chicago, turned herself in before her sentencing, and she got like 90 days of her sentence done before her actual sentencing date, which ended up being for 24 months. And she got 24 months in prison with her sentence, but she was already like got a couple months under her belt at this time.
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I see so many people putting off their sentencing because they're dreading it so much. Yeah. Your Honor, can my client have one more Christmas with their family before they report to prison? What a Merry Christmas that will be, Matt, knowing that you're reporting to prison on December 28 or whatever. And so I think about that a lot as far as how dumb it was to have made that decision.
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And when the sentencing came around, her attorney tried to make the shopping addiction fly, and it was clear that the judge was not buying it. Right. And, you know, I have no animus toward her. I hope she's doing well, whatever's going on.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But I always think about that interesting decision she made to get it over with, to rip off the Band-Aid and just get as many days in prison under her belt before her actual sentencing would be, as one, a sign of good faith, and two, to just, again, you're only going to be alive for so long.
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Why are we going to squander all this time with this thing hanging over her head, ruining her life, causing her stress? What do you think about her decision?
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Exactly. And that whole time while you're awaiting that hammer to drop for you to actually report it, it's terrible. She literally made the polar opposite decision that the Demetrians made. Because they were going to be serving around the same amount of time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They decided to create two decades of stress and looking over their shoulder and running and hiding from the FBI and knowing that someday that knock on the door is going to happen. Kelly decided to get it over with and move on with her life. And I think she made the right call.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The Demetrians are the cows. Yeah, they're still in the storm. Yeah. That's my short story of Kelly Kelly. Actually, I shouldn't say her last name. That's my short story of Kelly. Her name was Kelly something else, and she married Mr. Kelly. Her legal name was Kelly Kelly. I mean, I've said that before in videos, so if you want to leave that in, you can.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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24 months for half a million bucks.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, just her in the low end of the guidelines. I don't think she paid any restitution back. We didn't take the time to like seize her sweaters. There's no economic value there. So she came back to probably a pretty kick-ass wardrobe.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, again. Yeah. I mean, the only thing haunting her is me telling the story. I think she's probably put this behind her. Can I share a story from my private investigative practice? Not my FBI job.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. Yeah, this one's less tragic than that. I was contacted, I'm going to be a little vague and you'll understand why. I was contacted by a small group of truck drivers in a major American port city, let's say. I don't want to narrow it down too much, but a port city where a lot of shipping happens from the port. You did a TikTok on this, right? Yeah, I did TikTok.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right, so houses in Hawaii were getting foreclosed upon left and right because homeowners in Hawaii had gotten themselves over their skis with their mortgages. They didn't have the income to support the mortgages. They were taking money out and then gambling it in Las Vegas and just... Doing all sorts of things, which I think we could look back on as being highly irresponsible with your mortgage.
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Yeah, but I get the good stuff.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, you get the extended 12-inch disco single version. So these truckers hire me because they got a problem on their hands and they're just at their wit's end. The way it happened was this. Dock workers at the particular port where they would drop off their cargo...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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were basically shaking down these truckers for bribes, cash bribes of like $20 to $50 for every load that they would drop off in order to kind of, one, cut the line. Think of a long line of trucks waiting there to drop off their cargo at the port for shipments overseas.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And think about how advantageous it would be to the truckers, one, to be able to kind of cut that line and do an express line and get to the front. And they were also treated very poorly by the dock workers if they did not pay these $20 to $50 bribes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Small dollar amounts, but dollar amounts that meant the world to these hardworking truckers who aren't making a fortune bringing the cargo on a local haul to the ports. And so they were like, we're sick of this. We want it to stop. What can you do? I'm like, well, I have some ideas. And so I eventually kind of sell them on the idea that I can help them.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And the first thing I do is some investigation to establish that this is in fact occurring, that they're not crazy. And the dock workers who were shaking down the truckers all worked for one corporation that had the contract in this particular city for for kind of the unloading of cargo and the loading onto ships, or I guess, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And so I began looking into the corporate structure of that company, and I see that that company was based in this city, but they were a subsidiary of a large venture capitalist group, like investors basically, like guys who don't care about the shipping or trucking industry or anything like that. They're just looking to kind of squeeze money out of this corporation based in the port city.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So I did some ride-alongs with the truckers and determined that this is in fact happening, that there's a kind of haves and have-nots system of truckers who pay the bribes and truckers who do not pay the bribes to the dock workers who are just putting the cash in their pockets. The truckers were not being reimbursed by the company that hired them to haul.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They could be making $120 on a haul from here just to bring the cargo to the port. And they had over 40 bucks. Right. So it's a lot of money to them. It's a percentage of that, even though it wasn't a huge dollar amount. And so once I kind of established what happened, I came up with a plan that the truckers bought into. And I said, why don't we do this?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And so I wrote a letter, basically a whistleblower letter. Now, the truckers were terrified that they would be found out as the people who were going to, if they tried to make the stop, that the harassment would be bad. They feared violence. They feared a lot. They feared these dock workers economically and personally.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And the banks love to foreclose properties in Hawaii because you can actually sell them. They're not just sitting there for years, empty the way they were in some other states. So the foreclosure abatement program, John's idea when people would come to him looking for help, and he had flyers all over advertising. It's your house. Are you facing foreclosure?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And so they didn't want their names associated with it, but I was happy to have my name associated with it. And so I researched the name of the CEO of the parent company who oversaw the dock workers, the CFO, chief financial officer, and then the general counsel, the head attorney. I looked him up on LinkedIn, kind of ran them and all that and figured out who those people were.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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looked at their corporate backgrounds and where they had been before, and also the name of the CEO of the venture capital company that owned all the stock of this company. That makes sense. So there's a CEO locally, and then there's a CEO of the venture capital company that funds them, that owns them. So I basically just wrote a letter to all three of these people saying, my name is Tom Simon.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm a former FBI special agent currently working as a licensed private investigator. I've been engaged by some truckers. And I basically spell out exactly what's going on in great detail. And at the very end, I say, my clients don't want money from you. They don't want anything from you. All they want is for this to stop so they can make a living.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I go, this is a human resources problem for you. So I'm bringing this to you as a whistleblower, kind of a cutout whistleblower, so you guys can deal with it, settle your shit. But if you don't, you know, within the next 30 days, I'm going to be taking this information. I'm going to be presenting this information to your parent company who owns you, the CEO there, letting them know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And if that fails to do anything, I'm bringing this to the FBI, my former employer, for whatever investigation they deem appropriate. But, you know, my clients don't want any of that to happen. They're hoping that you can settle this. And so I thought I would have more credibility rather than just dropping it in the mail or sending an email to them.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I went to their corporate headquarters and, you know, dressed up kind of nice. I had three envelopes, one with the CEO's name, CFO and general counsel. And their corporate office was super secure, hard to get into. But, um, but you know, I waited by the door until someone else was walking up. I began putting like a card that didn't do my wallet up against the, uh, the clicker system.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I go, God damn it. It's not working again. Guys, I'll buzz you in. And so he buzzes me in. I go up the elevator to the building had multiple, um, multiple companies and, uh, to where their, um, their offices are. And it's like the glass door there. There's no receptionist. And I kind of knock on it and someone comes to the, um, The window says, yeah, can I help you?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I go, yeah, I just need to drop off these envelopes. And so I drop off the envelopes. And I go, could you hand these to John, Mike, and Louie? And they go, yeah, no problem. I go, thanks so much. And then I turn on my heels and leave. I just thought it would be more...
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impactful if they if they realize not only is this guy investigating us, but he's able to kind of penetrate our entire security system and hand envelopes to that appear on their desks later that day. And so and so I get a the next day, I get an email from the CFO. He was a total dick. And he's like, he's like, please provide us with proof that this occurred, that this is occurring.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I wrote him back and said, I'm not providing you proof that this is occurring. You have to do your own internal investigation. And I said, this isn't my – I'm letting you know this is happening. And I go, but I'm not doing a presentation of evidence to you. I'll do my presentation of evidence to the FBI. You know, and we're email back.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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We're going to get you out of foreclosure. The idea... is that you would basically sell your house to John or to a straw buyer that John finds, because he's super Christian, right? He had all these people from straw buyers at his church who were happy to step in. So you sell your house to a straw buyer for nothing, and maybe it's like a quick claim deed or whatever.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And then he then he writes me back like a one line email that says, says, since you are unable to provide proof, we will consider this matter closed. And I think he said, like, you know, we conducted our investigation. There's no true truth to this since you are unable to provide proof.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I wrote him back and said, I'm unsurprised that you were unable to to learn the truth in your investigation over the course of the past 20 hours. Right. And and I said, no problem. And I go, I'll I'll just take my concerns to to, you know, your parent company and to the FBI. But please understand that I think you're making a terrible mistake. And I sent that to him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And then I had an informant. I probably should get too deep into this.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Inside the trailer there at the port where the parent company it was and the truckers introduced me to somebody it was the informant and so the next I heard the next day that my informant tells me that the next day all hands need to be on deck at the port and an army of attorneys and human resources people from the corporate headquarters got went to the went to the on-site separated every employee and basically interrogated them and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And they ended up firing like a dozen employees who were there at the port who were taking the bribes. They just canned them there after they separated all the employees and interrogated them.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, right, count on it. All of us have, yeah. And so... And then I heard from the truckers that the problem was solved. And no one went to prison. No one got in trouble. I never had to tell the FBI. I later hear from a human resources person contacts me and calls me and says, hey, just want to let you know that we resolved that issue at the ports that you brought to our attention.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I go, I'm so glad you did. And I go, and I heard that, I'm hearing that from the truckers as well. And I'm just glad that you guys have cleaned up your own corporate culture and you're welcome. And so I was just so happy with the resolution of that case. I mean, I've spent my whole career putting people in orange jumpsuits, but it doesn't always have to be the case.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, if there's a way that you can kind of work around that and let people know, maybe even at the tip of a sword, that you got to do the right thing. or at least look out for your own economic self-interest.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They did, and I keep in touch with those truckers and they tell me that the line's long, but nobody's shaking them down and they're getting the customer service that they need from this company now. So because it happened so quickly, did you not move up the chain? There was no need.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I never had to reach out for the parent company that owned them and the CEO and the venture capitalists and all that because there was no need to. But I don't know what happened behind the scenes between me dropping off the letters, the CFO kind of being a dick 20 hours later telling me they're going to do nothing. And then me basically saying, fine, I'll call your bluff. I'll move forward.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And then 24 hours later, it's like the beaches of Normandy with this army of lawyers and human resources people. Probably talk to a lawyer. The lawyer said, this is a bad idea.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And then they would somehow through that process of that sale, I guess it wouldn't be a quick claim deed, it would be a real sale. They would extract whatever equity you had in that house, because some of these houses, even if you're in foreclosure, have some value. And then so there'd be some sack of money that comes out of this home sale, even though the home sale was to a straw buyer.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like, why are we putting our hand? Let's truly conduct an internal investigation into this. And it's clearly that that internal investigation bore some fruit for the company. All right. Yeah. And that's kind of it's just a private investigative case idea that I thought might be interesting as far as coming up with solutions to problems, which is what I do.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, no. Most of the people, it's a little bit of everything, but I would say the majority of the people that contact me have been ripped off in embezzlement or investment frauds. And they want my help to recover the money or at least investigate it. How hard is it to recover? Well, what I do is this. It's like folding laundry. I do it so much. I investigate the case.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Bad guy said he could double my money in 90 days. He's going to invest the money in crypto or whatever. First, you establish, is this guy truly here in the US or is this some Asian female who sent a wrong number to them on WhatsApp that we're never going to find? If it's somebody domestic, and quite often it is.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, I work up the case, I write up an FBI referral report and basically take this case to the FBI. I've got all the documents. It's all very laid out. But instead of taking it to the FBI, I'll go to the bad guy and I'll introduce myself usually via email. My name is Tom Simon. I'm a former FBI special agent currently working as a licensed private investigator in Florida.
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Please take a moment to Google me to verify my authenticity. I've been engaged by John Smith to investigate a fraud that you conducted where you took $235,000 from him. As part of my investigation, I've created an FBI referral report, which is attached herein. I've not yet met with the FBI, but I have an appointment to meet with them on December 1st.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But I'm hoping that I can cancel that meeting if you pay back my guy. How often does that happen? I got a good track record on it. What often happens is some of them dig in their heels and take their chances, but I follow through. This isn't an empty threat. I go to the FBI, present the case. The FBI is thrilled to get the case from me because I work it up in such a nice way.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It's like a silver platter for them. Sometimes they'll contact. I don't want to negotiate with them. I would contact my client to make payment arrangements. And many, many of these guys end up getting into a payment arrangement where they're, you know, they don't have all the money right now, but they're paying the money back in installments. My client's cool with it. I'm cool with that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Some, you know, come up with the full lump sum and give it to my clients. My clients are thrilled with me. And so that's kind of the lion's share of what I do. I'm a recovery man, like a repo man.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm not, I'm not, I'm not just a client. I'm not the owner of the company. I'm a client. I'm a client. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The original homeowner gets to stay in their home. They're not going anywhere. And John's pitch to them was that we're going to take the money out, whatever equity you have in your house, and I'm going to invest it in a high-yield investment program. Okay. And then from that, I'm going to make your money grow so much, we're going to pay off the mortgage that we're getting on your home.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Okay, so he was a hair club for men silent partner who lost money in a different thing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's why I don't do it that way. Yeah. I'm a one-man shop. I don't have a giant accounts receivable department to chase these people to the ends of the earth. And you're paying me for my time and my expertise. I don't want a percentage of your recovered money. Right. And I'm not working on a contingency. I'm not. And so... I charge what I charge for this type of assistance.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I also make sure I write up that I have no control over whether the FBI is going to open a case or not. It's not up to me. And I also can't promise you you'll get your money back. But I think this is a better alternative than hiring an attorney and suing them because that attorney is going to bleed you dry.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The statute of limitations measures the amount of time between the last date of the fraud and when you indict them. And so you have five years for wire fraud and mail fraud, 10 years for bank fraud to actually seek out and get a criminal charge pending against them.
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My priorities are to make me look cool, but I'm happy as a friend to come out here and to talk to you because I love doing your show and I like, and I always get good feedback for my appearances. Mostly I do. I also get like, why are you consorting with that guy?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Had they decided to take off and we never charged them during the course of the investigation, then you can run out the statute of limitations. But the statute of limitations is how long it takes for us to charge them.
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You'll be living there. We'll pay off the straw buyer's mortgage. And then you're going to own your home outright. Wow. Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That was another one of my harebrained schemes that got shot down is that we would go to the parents saying, like, well, we just want to give you one last chance to turn them in. Because on May 31st, the statute of limitations runs out and they can just come on home and we can't do anything about it. hoping that they didn't understand this subtlety.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And my chief division counsel again is like, are you crazy? You can't go promising them immunity from prosecution to trick them into giving themselves up. And so another bright idea down the toilet.
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Nope, nope. They'll die fugitives or we'll catch them. They'll probably still get another charge, right? I don't know. I mean, it's a good question. I suspect that the judge will give them the high end of the guidelines after kind of being on the FBI's white collar crime most wanted list for nearly 20 years. I have no control over that either. I don't get hung up on their sentences.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But yeah, there's no, in theory, they could be charged with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. I guess it'd be unlawful flight to avoid confinement. Oh, UFAC.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, UFAC and UFAP are acronyms.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know what I'm saying? ASAP's also an acronym.
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It's just initials. If you said Phoebe, acronym means you're kind of turning it into a word.
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NASCAR is an acronym.
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Car... I don't know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, it's something like that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Which is different than a palindrome, which is the same word forward and backwards. Jeez. Like race car. With the big brain on. Or madam, I'm Adam. Forward and backwards. Like an abacus.
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No, but I don't think that's a palindrome.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Well, that's what generates the content, right, is when someone decides, yeah, abacus. It's a counting machine. It's basically a calculator before the calculator. Right. The Chinese were faster on an abacus than I am on a calculator.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So do you know who Tom Segura is? The comedian? Yes. I'm going to see him Thanksgiving weekend in Tallahassee. I'm going to, my son and I got tickets in Tallahassee. Oh, to go see the show. No, the concert. He's performing in Tallahassee on the Friday of Thanksgiving weekend. I don't know personally.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Well, I think he's super funny. Are you about to tell me he's a terrible person? No.
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Yeah. She's funny too.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They're great.
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And then that's turned into, at the same time... Segura and his bride were just having fun with this idea in kind of a birds-aren't-real sense, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right. So the whole thing is a very bad idea. But you have to also understand that the people he was dealing with were not sophisticated financial minds like you. And they're desperate. They're desperate. They want to stay in their house. Again, most of these homes had been in their families for generations.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You kidding me? Some son of a bitch put out an internet theory that I'm a serial killer? You think I'm gonna laugh that off? To me, I'd be like, I gotta go on the show.
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Okay, well, I would... All right, fair enough. That's how you deal with it. Right, no, blocking is not the proper way to do it. Not being thrilled with it is perfectly reasonable.
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He had the soul patch and the dark pair with the shoe polish in it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So Chris Gaines is the serial killer, not Garth Brooks?
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And they're being told by a successful guy who's on television regularly wearing a fancy suit – That they could remain in their homes and have their house paid off if they just do these three steps. Sell your house to somebody. And so he gets straw buyers from his church to kind of step in to be the – not a single mortgage payment was made though.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But he plays right into Segura's bit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Speaking of Colby, fix this. I caught so much shrapnel from my fans with you laughing at the idea of Coran Smith beating his wife to death with a hammer. I did a highlight reel of that. And everyone's like, why are you playing along with that monster? Good times. I'm like, he's a convicted felon. What do you want? You meet people where they are.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Are you entertaining this seriously? Or are you having fun with this?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, I think we just don't know. We just put it together. I hope you have the best legal team in America because you're gonna be spending the rest of your life in court.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So each chapter has some missing woman that you're telling her story, and then you kind of segue into what's the likelihood that Garth Brooks killed this woman?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
He's getting a new mortgage. Right. The new mortgage, all sorts of shenanigans going on there, right? Because you're signing off saying you're going to live in the house, false income. You're providing fake W-2s. That second mortgage that they're getting to buy this house is crooked as a barrel of snakes. There's nothing good happening there or nothing legal happening there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Matt, you have no ethical problem with this at all?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Do you think that Tom Hanks thinks it's a joke that a certain percentage of the population believes he's a pedophile? And running underground like children through tunnels? You don't think that bothers him at all? You don't think that he finds a burr in his saddle?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And the straw buyers, it was never really entirely clear to me what was in it for them. I think some were getting paid. Others were doing it out of Christian goodness to help these people stay in their homes. Oh, those Christians. They're so trusting. Their hearts are in the right place.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Leave all that aside. He's a guy who's probably not a pedophile.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
No, I'd say probably 100%.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Okay, so I think we're on the same page. And so I guess even though someone may be a high-profile public figure, they don't deserve that. What if someone decided they wanted to kill Garth Brooks because they loved your book so much?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
You can't blame that on me. I don't know. You don't need to be throwing gasoline on the flames of Americans. Everybody is, though. It's hilarious. It is funny. You know what bothers me? I think a funny bit on a comedy podcast is very different than writing the book you're contemplating.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
There's at least two voices of reason in your life.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Fair enough. But the greater point is that we know that Garth Brooks isn't having fun with this, right? He took the time to block Tom Segura.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
I just think that it's not going to end well for you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Well, anyone with 50 bucks can sue anyone else, and this can end up being a very expensive venture for you defending yourself and defending your First Amendment right to call Garth Brooks a serial killer.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Oh, yeah, no, I agree. Very easy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Maybe you win this lawsuit, and you'll be walking around with a barrel instead of black T-shirts as your clothing because winning lawsuits is expensive. Yeah. It's a barrel? Barrel. Like in the Great Depression, people would have no enough clothing. They would wear a barrel. Did anybody really wear a barrel? I think not. It was a Popeye cartoon.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
But they're often easy marks for stuff like this. Very trusting. Yeah. So a couple dozen houses they're able to do this with. They don't make a single mortgage payment with the new mortgage. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Anyway, I got to track down some roadies. All right. Well, I mean, you know, as long as I'm not thanked in your book, let me know. I'm happy to help. I don't want my fingerprints on this shit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
I think the fact that she's still alive and walking this earth kind of undermines your thesis.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Like crossfire.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
And you'll be shocked to learn that they also don't invest this money in anything that's valuable. Shocking. Yeah, I know. Are you sitting down? And John and Julianne used this money to live an extravagant lifestyle. They had matching Maseratis. fancy suits. They had a Hummer, a Mercedes. Julie became addicted to expensive lingerie.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
John and Julie Ann Dimitri were very much into the material trappings of the ultra. Their most wanted white collar crime fugitive. It's extremely to find a routine financial fraud spin into a domestic extremist investigation. You asked me to come out and tell you a story from my time in Honolulu. Yes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
She actually at one point went to her certified public accountant asking him if she could claim the lingerie as a tax deduction because she wore it under her clothing while she worked. CPA explained, no, you can't do that. But they... But they are spending money like it's going out of style. But it's not their money. It's the equity that they've extracted from these houses.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Meanwhile, not a single mortgage is being paid. The straw buyers are getting letters in the mail saying you're behind on the mortgage. They would go to John and Julianne and they would say, don't worry about it. We got this. The money's under, you know, we're all good. And the straw buyers, the only thing at risk is their credit, right? They don't really, poor clothes on the house.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
I know, I get this. So let me give a little bit of background. So there's a fellow named John Demetrian. Ethnically, not that it matters, half Greek, half Filipino. Grew up extremely wealthy in Hawaii, in Honolulu, the island of Oahu. His dad was a medical doctor, probably still is. I don't know what his mom did, it doesn't matter. He went to Punahou High School. Do you know what Punahou is?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
They're not living there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Yeah, there was a fraud involved that they are looking at fraud charges true When interviewing them and again, I wasn't the only investigator on this case like I wasn't even the original investigator I was on a team of three people who were the entire financial crime apparatus of the FBI in Honolulu I did the investment fraud stuff and my two partners were dealing with this case So I don't also don't want to oversell it that I was the the genius behind building the case here but I'm kind of watching it all unfold we're bouncing ideas off of each other and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
while smarter agents were actually investigating this case. The other thing to understand is that the agents are also dealing with 50 other mortgage fraud cases at the time. So while this case was important and interesting to them, it was not their only preoccupation. It soon became their only preoccupation as well as mine because of what happened later. We'll get to that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
You're asking how the... How did the borrowers not get the $100,000 equity? How did the borrowers? The previous owners of the house? Yes. Okay. You're right. I'm sorry. The sellers. The sellers. Thank you. The sellers walk into this knowing that this is just a plan for John and Julia and Dimitri. They may very well have gotten a check for $100,000 that was handed right off to John and Julia. Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
They were not being, well, I guess in a sense they're being defrauded, but their whole thing was I'm going to smart mortgage professionals so I could stay in my house. In fact, not only can I just stay in my house, but they're going to pay off all mortgages on my house because they are able to invest this money so wisely. Right. Yeah, I'm just curious.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
So perhaps during the title company, they did whatever paperwork to have the check cut to Mortgage Alliance, John and Julianne's company. Maybe they just did it as a handshake agreement. But the borrowers, the home sellers were more than happy to give that money to John and Julianne or else why bother?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
Right. So John and Julianne were absolutely adherents to the idea of the prosperity gospel, the idea that because they were such good Christians, God was going to rain money upon them.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Hunting the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives (ACTIVE BOUNTY)
I feel like they're spending money on lingerie and vacation. Now, to be fair, John was the sound man at his church, at his megachurch. He worked the soundboard. And Julianne starred in many Christian plays at that church. These were movers and shakers at their church. And again, they're also on TV. And you know how intoxicating that is and how people think that's a very big deal.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Mm-hmm.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Tortilla?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
10.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
No.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
No, no.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
CATCHING THE FBI'S MOST WANTED WOMEN | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
As we're about to see.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
We're ready. We're rolling.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
I'm trying to think. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
I'd say that's approved. You're getting good at this.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
You good over there? Yeah. I'm just thinking what you're, uh, I'm just thinking, I wonder what he's about to say before his intro next, you know, like, like, uh, have you ever been watched Matt Cox?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
You can mention Peyton Manning and Matt would probably be like. Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
I think I'll leave him in. I'll leave him in. You should leave him in.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Okay, okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
I would say go ahead and tell it because, yeah, our last CEO relationship, TikTok did very well.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
All right. One for one. I'm keeping track today. I'm keeping track today. One for one. The Matt Cox scorecard. Good.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
I tell them this. It took me a while to get that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
You're going to have to do something next time. We're going to have to have a little blinders or something.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
It's your hero. I would say Frank Tarrington. What's his name? What was it? Was it Fran Tarrington? Fran Tarkington? Fran Tarkington.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
It's a very different... So you think that statement that he made about, like, I plan to continue to do this... I think intent matters.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
I want to say you're probably, I would say about nine for 12, roughly. Yeah. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Yeah. Next time we're going to need to define the rules. Like, okay, what do you have a year? Yeah. Yeah. You can't be more than 10% off. Yeah. And you can't give a five year range. You got to give a one to two year. Oh, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
You're a real genius.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
If anybody needs any private investigative needs, where should they go?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
See ya. All right. Really quick. I'm just going to have both of you say this because it's hard to remember who said what. So both of you say green and grass. Or weed.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
and say the uh say you said they opened up a uh marijuana themed oh yeah marijuana themed park yeah yeah uh just a hold on give me a sec you can't say marijuana no well yeah we had a guy come on that does talks about like medical weed or something and uh yeah that can i say cannabis is that different um i would just say green or grass i think cannabis would be fine all right if you want to uh well i don't think it'll be a big issue but all right all right um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Yeah. Yeah. If you say, I think the marijuana, I can leave it in there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Oh yeah. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
That should be good.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Yeah. And then just say powder, Tom.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
You too, just in case.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
EXPOSING THE STEVIE WONDER ALICIA KEYS SCAM | FBI AGENT FRAUD STORIES
Someone said cocaine. Cocaine? Once or twice.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
This is what happened.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
He's like, man, I feel bad for the guy. Like, can you just cut him a break? Like, joking around. The guy's 65 years old.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
I don't think so. You know, I was talking to my dad the other day and my dad was like, he's like, you need, you know, he's like, you know who you need to interview? He's like, you need to interview this guy who like murdered somebody, just got out of prison. I'm like, eh. He's still iffy about this guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
I was like, did he do it? That's not really the type of guy we want to have on the show.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Yeah, yeah. But I'm completely rehabilitated. So you just got out of prison?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
I'm leaving.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
They're all over me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
And she knew. That's great. That's awesome.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
this guy's a fucking liar. This is the plot to this movie.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Diese Jungs waren alle geforcht, im Grunde genommen, dem Gericht zu lachen, dass sie verurteilt haben, für diesen Verbrechen, den sie verurteilt haben, weil sie keine Ahnung hatten, dass sie den Verbrechen verurteilt haben.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Aber ich denke, und ich denke, dass die Gerichte das verstanden haben, die Berichterstattung hat es sicher gemacht, der Agent hat es, und die Verteidigungsanwälte haben es gemacht, aber jeder hat sich nur so eingereicht, um zu lachen und zu lachen und den Kerl zu ermutigen, für sein schreckliches Verhalten auf dem Flugzeug zu verurteilen, es auf die Ambi und den Alkohol zu verurteilen und ihn zu verletzen, den Verletzungen mit dem Zeitgebet.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Wow. And they all had the same insane story. There's got to be a ton of people that fly.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
So a recent American Airlines flight from Chicago O'Hare to Scranton, Pennsylvania. How appropriate. Named James Torres Smith. To this day, we do not know what set him off. We do not know what his inspiration was. But seemingly, out of nowhere, he took it out and began pleasuring himself in front of all of the passengers around him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich verspreche dir, dass Orlando mehr Besucher pro Woche bekommt als Honolulu. Und Orlando Airport ist auch ein Hub. Mein Punkt ist, dass du recht hast. Das Problem ist die Länge des Fluges. Das macht Menschen Dinge machen, um den Zeitpass zu machen, den sie sonst nicht machen würden. Wenn du aus New York fliegst, ist das wie ein 8- oder 9-Hour-Flug. Du fährst dich verrückt.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I had a case when I was there. I was peripherally involved with this one. A 21-year-old guy from American Samoa named Luvalu Sebuai. Let's call him Lou. Yeah. Okay. He was a Mormon. Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints member. Coming back from his mission trip. You know, the young guys do the one-year mission trip in the Mormon church.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Yes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
His was in the Philippines. And he's going back to American Samoa, which is part of the U.S. It's a U.S. territory next to Western Samoa. But in order to get there, you fly through Honolulu. So Honolulu serves as a hub there. His seatmate. 42-jährige Frau. Ich dachte, sie war attraktiv. Ich konnte sie nicht treffen oder interviewen. Sie sitzt neben ihm und macht kleine Gespräche.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Neben diesem 21-jährigen Jungen. Sie ist zweimal sein Alter. Und dann zieht sie ein bisschen NyQuil raus. Sie zieht ein Stück NyQuil raus. Sie isst es. und dann schläft er weg.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Sie wacht 90 Minuten später auf, mit Lou's Hand auf ihr Shirt und unter ihrem Bra, fühlt sich ihre Brüste an. Wow. Ja, nicht cool. Nein. Nicht cool. Nicht cool. Lou, was machst du, Bro? So, she loses it, contacts the flight attendant, they move her elsewhere. FBI comes in to take Lou off the plane in handcuffs.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
During the interrogation, Lou confesses, admits that he groped the woman aboard the flight. He spent five days in custody, kind of figuring out what the heck to do with him. And what do you do with him? Not cool. Not cool.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
It's not funny. It's an awful experience for this woman. It's wrong. He got the five days that he spent in custody. No. The judge then sentences him to two years probation and he must perform 200 hours of community service and then cuts him loose to American Samoa.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
At his sentencing, he apologized to the family and to the community, the community that he embarrassed. Und ja, und nicht ein guter Blick auf die Kirche. Nein, ich meine, wiederum, ich meine, sag, was du willst über die LDS Faith. Sie sind nette Leute. Das ist nicht ihr Ding. Das ist nicht ihr Jam. Es ist nicht wie eine Epidemie von diesem zwischen ihnen. Und ja, also schrecklich. All right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Also ich möchte dir eine Geschichte erzählen, die du nicht unbedingt glauben wirst. Und als ich diese Geschichte auf der TV und in den Berichten erzählte, war ich mehr kritisiert, als ich jemals in meiner Karriere war. Our story takes place in 2014. A 15-year-old boy living in San Jose, California is fighting with his dad.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Was there an interrogation? Well, he was arrested by the FBI when they landed in Scranton and in charge with lewd behavior on an aircraft. Welchen Penalty sollte ein solcher Typ für so einen Verbrechen bekommen?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Where were you?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
But you had a little bit of a sneak preview of what we're talking about. So act surprised. How quick you've been here before, man. So Santa Clara, California gets in a fight with his dad. 15-year-old boy runs away on a Sunday afternoon. Er geht zum San Jose International Airport. Und ich sollte es wahrscheinlich nicht auf YouTube sagen, aber es ist im Universum draußen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Nicht die beste Sicherheit am San Jose Airport. Er geht auf eine Schleifkante und steigt über eine Schleifkante und jetzt ist er auf dem Tarmac.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Mhm.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
15-jähriges Kind. Er schaut auf das naheste Flugzeug, geht auf das Flugzeug, sitzt dort auf dem Tarmac parkiert, kippt auf das Wheelwell, das hat ein kleines Kompartment in dem Wheelwell, kippt sich auf einen Ball und sitzt dort. Ein kommerzielles Flugzeug. Ein kommerzielles Flugzeug. Okay. 747 oder was auch immer. Das Flugzeug fährt auf. The kid had no idea where this plane would be going.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Did he realize that he was a stowaway on a plane? Oh, he's trying to run away from home because he's decided he hates his father. Okay, because you just said he kind of, you know, fell asleep, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Er kommt auf den Flugzeug und kratzt sich runter, damit er nicht bemerkt wird.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Er versucht, andersherum zu gehen, aber er hat keine Ahnung, wo. Seine Heimat ist so schlecht für ihn. Was er nicht weiß, ist, dass das ein Hawaii Airlines Flugzeug ist, für Maui. Er hat die Stowaway Lotterie gewonnen. The plane takes off, again, think about this, 50 degrees below zero at 30,000 feet for five and a half hours. The kid passes out.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
No, no, no, this isn't, there's nothing, there's no, the air, it's not pressurized at all. He is, he should have died, like medically, biologically. Right. But he survives this thing. So the cold doesn't kill him. The cold doesn't kill him. And neither does the lack of oxygen. And nor does he fall out of the plane when the wheels come down.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I've heard that happen. We'll get into some stats here. The plane lands in Maui and sits there on the ground. They're unloading one flight, loading up the next flight. And the ground crew sees him dangle like Curious George from the bottom of the plane, hop down onto the tarmac and start walking around. Und sie sind so, oh mein Gott, was ist passiert?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Sie gehen ihn holen, sie nennen die Sicherheit. Er ist schwach, er tut nicht gut. Er fällt auf den Boden, regiert ein bisschen Kraft, steht auf und beginnt zu laufen, zu der Front des Flugzeugs. Ich habe das Video gesehen. Die Polizisten und die FBI werden angerufen. Der Junge wird interviewt. Und seine Geschichte ist solid. Er war genau der Ausgangspunkt, den sie dachten. Ein 15-jähriger Junge.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
So viel könnte für ihn falsch gehen, wie wir gesagt haben. Das ist vorher passiert. Und die relativ kleinen Anzahl der Menschen, die das versucht haben, sind einfach gestorben. Sie sind in der Lack von Ölverbrauch, in den Temperaturen, die bis zu 50 bis unter 0 sind. Oder sie fallen aus, wie wir gesagt haben, wenn das Landgear runterkommt. Hast du gesagt, 50 unten? 50 unten, 0.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich dachte, es waren 15 unten. Nein, 5,0 unten. Wow. 30.000 Meter für 5,5 Stunden. So kommt das in die News. Es war eine große News-Story an dem Zeitpunkt, dass dieser Junge überlebt hat. Und ich war in der Medienkoordination für die FBI, also war ich der Typ, der darüber sprach, in den Berichten und all dem.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und dann hat NBC einen FAA-Flight-Analyst, der sagt, dass ich voller Beine bin, weil es keinen Weg gibt, dass jemand für das überlebt. Thank heavens the FAA came to my rescue and said that they had done a study on this, because this happens every now and then where people try this. What happens is, you're breathing, your heart rate, it's called deep hypoxia, is the term.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ja, ich meine, für dich und ich wäre es beängstigend, aber stell dir vor, das Kind oder die... Ja, ich wollte schon sagen, es hängt davon ab, wer da ist. ...der Jungen. Oder wie ich gesagt habe, neben mir. Ja, ja, genau, genau. Lass uns sagen, dass das Seat und die Tafel nicht die einzigartigen Dinge sind, Matt. Das ist so schrecklich. Okay. Der maximale Penalty.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
It's kind of a state similar to hibernation, like what happens to a bear. You kind of go into a coma. You're breathing, your heart rate, your brain activity continues, but at a much slower than normal rate. Again, this is for the lucky ones who survived this. Being younger helps one's chance of survival if you crawl up into the wheel well and you have this experience.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Surgeons have done studies to try to recreate this kind of mental state for surgery purposes. It's kind of almost an anesthesia. Das ist nicht großartig. Nicht großartig. Er hatte keine Kopfschmerzen am Ende? Nein, er war in Ordnung. Es war seltsam.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Der letzte bekannteste Person, der vor ihm überlebt hat, war ein Typ namens Fidel Maruhi, der im Jahr 2000 in einem Rollstuhl von Tahiti nach Los Angeles gefahren ist. Das war ein 7-Hour-Flight. Und das führte auch zu den gleichen Temperaturen. Hier ist das Problem, das ich hatte. Die Medien wollten alle den Jungen interviewen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und es gab auch Leute, die sagten, er hätte mit einem Verbrechen verurteilt werden sollen. Let's start with the second thing. Charging him with a crime, the federal system of criminal justice does not have a juvenile detention apparatus. There's just no crime to charge a 15-year-old boy with.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And also, should we be charging a 15-year-old runaway from, let's say, a hypothetically abusive household with a crime for running away and just being a really, really dumb kid doing something incredibly reckless and dangerous? I thought not.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Das war das Einzige, was ich mit ihm beurteilen konnte, weil er nicht mit dem Flugzeug oder dem anderen interferiert hat. Das war das Einzige, was ich mit ihm beurteilen konnte. Das war das Einzige, was ich mit ihm beurteilen konnte. Das Problem, das ich hatte, und ich bin froh, das heute zu sagen, obwohl ich das vor zehn Jahren nicht erklärt habe, is that the kid's name was Mohammed. Right. Ah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
So it would have been even worse for him. Imagine if that was out there in the media at the time when people are calling for his head or saying that he's a liar or saying it was an act of terrorism or something like that. We got a 15-year-old kid, immigrant from Somalia, named Mohammed, who jumps a fence in, what, 2014, you know, and stows away on a plane.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und, äh, und so, ähm, aber wiederum, der Kind war legit. Wir, du weißt, wir, ja, ja, du hast die ganze Geschichte getestet. Ja, genau. Wir haben zu seinem Vater gesprochen und all das. Und äh, es war einfach eine unfreundliche Situation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und, äh, du weißt, und, aber es sah nicht so aus, als wäre es wert, meine Zeit als öffentlicher Informationsanwalt, einer, um einen Flüchtlingskind auszuweiten und zwei, um Gasoline auf den Feuer der Geschichte durch den Fakt, dass er islamistisch war. Kann ich einen Moment aufhalten? Klar.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Der leere Verhalten auf einem Flugzeug. Wie viel? 90 Tage im Gefängnis. Echt? Ja. Sieht niedrig aus, nicht wahr? Das ist lustig. Ich wollte sagen, ich habe einen Flugzeug, der kommt. Three hots in a cot for 90 days. 90 days? Yeah. But again, we don't know what set him off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
You're too tall. I'm a human giant. No one has ever seen a man this large. So, all right. What are we doing? All right. So let's shift gears. You've got to catch him doing this. The before and after. The action. So, three, two, one.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
So I haven't got like a professional gig yet. That's the closest I have to a professional gig is getting to drive three hours on my own dime to come to your apartment. Oh, that's right. And then turn around and drive back for three hours. That's right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I was like, no. Can you cover my hotel, bro? No. Just wake up early. Be here at 9 a.m. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, as an FBI agent, part of my job is to fly armed, right, when I was an FBI agent. I'm no longer an FBI agent. So, you know, I've flown probably a thousand times with a gun on my hip.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And there's a whole procedure in place that, due to air safety, I'm not going to disclose in great detail. But the bottom line is that you don't go through the TSA, the normal TSA checkpoint. And then mention it. Oh yeah. By the way. Might be something in that bag. Well, it's on your hip. You can't even put it in your bag. You must be carrying the gun on your person if you're flying.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
You can't put it in your carry-on and stow it above your head and fall asleep. Oh, okay. Yeah, and so...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Richtig, das ist für normale Leute. Wenn du auf einem Hunting-Trapper gehst, oder du bist ein Target-Schütter, und du willst deine besondere Waffe für die Wettbewerbsveranstaltung in Minnesota oder so etwas. Richtig. But for me, I think the airlines would look at us as kind of an additional level of security on the plane during that window of time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
So you can't drink alcohol on the plane or take Ambien. Thank God. But you can doze off. There's no rule against that. unless you're flying Alaska Airlines, which is why I hate Alaska Airlines. So what happens, you get on the flight, especially in Hawaii, you know, it's a long flight to anywhere, and you would sit down and maybe you'd fall asleep in your plane.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
You're sitting there like this with your eyes closed, and the flight attendant would come up to you and shake you, because the flight attendants know who the armed people are on board, whether it's you or an air marshal or another police officer from another agency. Bevor der Flug, werden Sie alle zusammenkommen und einen Augenkontakt mit einander machen und sich treffen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And the reason why the FBI cares about this is because the FBI is forced to care about this because the FBI has jurisdiction for crimes aboard aircrafts. Period. There's no one else. Because it doesn't fall neatly into any one state. Right. And so it ends up being an FBI problem.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Also, wenn etwas auf dem Flugzeug in die Hölle gehen sollte, wissen Sie, wer eine Waffe haben kann und wer nicht. Also ist es wichtig, dass Sie wissen, und die Flugzeuggruppe weiß auch. But Alaska Airlines had a rule that you must not, that if you're flying armed, you must be awake at all times. And they would grab you and shake you awake if you happen to fall asleep.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And so as a result, I stopped flying on Alaska Airlines. I'm looking to get some Zs. I mean, if a terrorist takes over the plane, wake me up and I'll deal with the situation. And I'm armed, you may have a problem. Some of the agents, what they took to doing is wearing giant sunglasses on the plane, like inside.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Das sieht schmutzig aus, aber dann ist es ab dem Flugzeuganwalt, um zu finden, ob du wirklich schlau bist oder nicht. Und nach den 9-11-Attacken wurde ich manchmal in der ersten Klasse verbessert. Die Idee war, den Mann mit der Waffe nahe am Cockpit zu legen, damit ich, wenn etwas nach links geht, da sein kann, um das Flugzeug zu verteidigen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I'm here to confess today, Matt Cox, that they did not get their money's worth out of putting me in first class, because I fell asleep. Bin Laden himself could have been spooning with me, grabbing my gun, and I would not have noticed. There's other funny little rules, like Southwest Airlines. You would think, you know, that whole... Right. In my mind, I'm like, well, this is crazy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I'm exactly who you want in the exit row. I mean, all I cared about was the leg room, because I'm a tall drink of water, Matt. But the airline wanted nothing of it, so they're hypocrites in my book. Now, I'm curious, having flown that many times with a gun, I never ever in my career transported a prisoner as part of my job. It just never came up for me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Aber ich frage mich, als du ein Gefangener warst, wurdest du jemals auf einer kommerziellen Flugzeuge transportiert? Und ich weiß, dass du auch als Fugitiv mehr als einmal fliegen. Ich bin einfach so interessiert, wie das funktioniert.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es war wie Con Air.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Erstklassig. Ich meine, sie geben dir so Peanuts und so. War es eine Hot Flight Attendance? Was war es?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Wait, so was Oklahoma City serving as a hub for the U.S. Marshal Service to dispatch planes around the nation?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Oh yeah, imagine having to fingerprint the guy. It's a lot of hands-on behavior there. But we don't know what set him off. We have no idea. But we have a much better idea what set off 39-year-old Krishna Kunapalli. Er war ein indianischer Nationalmann, der auf einem halben fehlenden Flug von Abu Dhabi in den Vereinigten Arabischen Emiraten, ein bisschen nahe Dubai, nach Boston.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich denke, es ist wie eine Wasserlandung, wenn ihr euch bewegen müsst. Und die Leute werden sagen, was, wenn wir auf Wasser landen? Und dann ist es so, ich gebe mir keine Ahnung, wenn wir auf Wasser landen. Ich bin gespannt. Das macht so einen großen Sinn, wenn du auf einem kommerziellen Flugzeug bist. Ich frage mich, ob keine gleichen Regeln vorhanden sind.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
A lot of that's for the sake of the passengers to make them comfortable. They're not trying to make you comfortable.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
The smooth landing that everyone enjoys is done for the sake of the passengers.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
These guys are... Yeah, but the airplane is built to be landed like a thud.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und er sieht diese attraktive Frau von hinten, die sich in der nächsten Section befindet. Und sie hatte die schönste, lustige Haare. Und sein Geist beginnt zu rollen, richtig? Es gibt eine fehlende Sehne neben ihr. Also ploppt er nebenher. Wir nennen sie Layla. Er fliegt nebenher, weil ich glaube, er bezeichnet sich als ein bisschen wie ein Pick-up-Artist.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
So that I don't freak out. I heard a turbulent stat that an airplane, like a 747, can be built so the wings will actually touch themselves if they were bent up above the plane and below the plane. Those wings are that flexible. I mean, it will hopefully never happen, but that's why turbulence should not be a concern to you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
But it's also why you should have your seatbelt fastened, because sometimes turbulence will pop up. And every now and then, every couple of years, there's a story about people getting brained on the ceiling and getting brain damaged or dying, just because they're just sitting there watching a Vin Diesel movie. I keep my seatbelt on all the time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ja, das war schön. Aber ja, das war es. Also habe ich das gemacht. Nun, als du ein Fugitur warst und du eigentlich auf der Runde warst, musstest du an einem Punkt fliegen. Ja. Wie konntest du das beherrschen? Ich meine, war TSA an der Zeit in Ordnung? Oder war das vor 9-11 oder nach 9-11?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
So how did you manage the flying? I mean, I feel like I get a proctology exam now as a private citizen every time I get on the plane with the number of IDs and the facial recognition and all that. Was that ever an issue for you? I don't know about facial recognition.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Got it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
This is like a government issued thing. The ID supporting it was the nonsense.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und er erzählt ihr, wie wunderschön sie ist. Und er beginnt, ihre Haare auf dem Flugzeug zu strecken. Und er erzählt ihr, dass er sehr, sehr reich ist und dass er ihr 5.000 Dollar zahlen würde, um mit ihm zu schlafen, in seinem Hotelraum, als sie in Boston kamen. Okay. Okay. Layla schließt ihn runter. Nein. Nicht dazu. Nicht dazu, Matt Cox. Sie hat nichts davon. Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
So you were worried that the Interpol red notice had not been cleared? Correct. The FBI literally has to fill out a form to have that cleared. I'm sure I've forgotten. So I had to fly.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Wasn't there some story about when you were a fugitive on the run and someone left a car at the airport or something like that? Yeah, yeah, I did that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Also, um jemanden aus dem Sand zu werfen, der dich findet. Richtig.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Sie ist so nicht dazu und so traurig, dass sie in die Galle geht, um einen Crew-Mitglied zu suchen, den sie erzählen kann. Er ist direkt an ihren Hüften in der Galle. Es gibt eine Service, also ist niemand in der Galle. Und wiederum, er schlägt sie um und beginnt, ihr Haar zu strecken, weiter so zu tun. Und sie ist ein bisschen überrascht.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Hello, Matt Cox. You gotta start with the... Okay, yes. Hey, Tom. Matt Cox. Wussten Sie, dass es illegal ist, auf einer kommerziellen Flugzeuge zu fliegen? Verdammt. Nein, ich wusste das nicht. Okay, also ich bin hier, um zu fragen. Ich wusste nicht, dass es illegal ist, auf irgendwohin zu fliegen. Ich bin hier, um Sie zu stoppen. Die Flugbeamten haben mich gefragt, um Sie zu stoppen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
That's evidence that needs to be preserved. That's what I'm thinking.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und er nimmt sein Telefon aus und beginnt, Bilder von ihr zu nehmen. Weil er will, dass sie sich erinnern, wie wunderschön diese Frau ist.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Wow.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Sie verliert es. Der Flugzeuganwalt kommt rein. Was denkt der Flugzeuganwalt?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Oh man, what a boring job it is to finally come upon someone with your stature.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Nein, ich weiß nicht. Sie unterruft ein Paar, das einen intimen Moment in der Galle hat. Sie sagt, hey, hör mal, ihr könnt das hier nicht machen. Geht in den Saal. Laila geht zurück in ihre Schuhe. Er geht eigentlich zurück in seine Schuhe, wie eine Seite hinter ihr. Und dann geht Laila und erzählt dem Flugzeugleiter, hey, hör mal, das ist, was passiert ist.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Interesting. In Chicago, we had a, back in the day, I don't even know if it's still the case, people would, are Cuban cigars still like something you can't own in the U.S. ?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Oder es gab etwas mit den Boxen. In den 90ern. Es war eine große Sache, kubanische Zigarren zu haben. Ich meine, es war eine Gelegenheit, glaube ich, wenn man mit diesen in dort war. Und so, aber was passiert ist, an O'Hare Airport, als ich ein Agent in Chicago war,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
People would go on vacation to, you know, Colombia or Venezuela or some vacation and buy Cuban cigars because it's perfectly legal down there to buy it. And they would bring it back to Chicago with them. No big deal if you were caught with it. It'd be like a $100 fine if you got caught in your bag search.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
But what often happened with these Chicago fat cats, exactly the type of people who would get Cuban cigars... ist, dass sie den Customs-Mann sagen würden, du solltest diese nicht haben, und ich muss deine Zeitschrift schreiben. Viele Leute würden dem Customs-Mann eine Verleihung anbieten. Irgendwas, das ich dir geben kann, um dich wegzuholen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und die Customs-Männer wurden beurteilt, um über ihre Schulter nach links zu schauen, über ihre Schulter nach rechts zu schauen und zu sagen, Komm mit mir. Und sie nehmen ihn in den Raum. Und er sagt, okay, was hast du? Was hast du gesagt? Er sagt, lass mich die Zigarren behalten. Ich gebe dir 50, 100 Dollar, was auch immer.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und er sagt, okay, also du sagst mir, dass wenn ich dir diese Zigarren, wenn ich dich diese Zigarren behalten lasse, wirst du mir 50, 100 Dollar Geld geben? Und die Leute sind so, ja. Und der Grund, warum er sie in den Raum gebracht hat, war, dass das der Raum war, wo sie gedreht und gedreht werden würden.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und dann wurden diese Leute verhaftet, um eine Verleihung zu einem föderalen Agenten am Flughafen zu bieten. Das ist so schlimm. Das ist so schlimm. But you were talking earlier about transferring... Some poor guy. You're like a dentist or something. Yeah, there's always that guy, right? Some guy, he's a stock options trader on the Chicago Board Options Exchange and he wanted to have his cigars.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich kenne diesen Kerl, er hat das und das und das. Und der Flugzeugleiter, du weißt, gibt ihr eine entsprechende Anzahl von Bedürfnissen. In der Zwischenzeit ist unser Junge Krishna zurück in seiner Schuhe. And there's people sitting around him. This is an international flight, so you've got the section on the right, you've got the section on the left, you've got like five seats in the middle.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
But especially in Chicago, where everyone's bribing everyone there. It's just kind of the nature of the beast.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
But I want to talk to you a little bit about transferring from prison to prison, because were you familiar with a program that the Bureau of Prisons had, where for kind of low-risk, minimum-security prisoners, they would actually cut them loose on furlough to take a Greyhound bus from prison to prison, so they're not taking up a space on Con Air. You ever heard of this?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Right, and they meet you at the bus when you arrive.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Yeah, I had a guy named Perry Griggs. I told his story on my first appearance here, I think, or maybe it was my second one. And he was one of those guys, one of those camp guys, but he's also a very accomplished con artist, you know the type. And he was going from, like... El Paso to I can't remember where. Somewhere really far. Like a four-day trip on Greyhound Bus. And so they cut him loose.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And he had his prison outfit on and they dropped him off at the Greyhound Bus Station. They're like, alright Perry, we'll be there four days ahead. We'll be meeting you at the bus. Don't do anything stupid. Und Perry hatte einen sehr erfolgreichen Ponzi-Schemen gemacht. Ich werde euch nicht mit den Details von dem heute erzählen. Und er hatte viel Geld, während er im Gefängnis war.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Seine Frau hatte viel Geld. Und sobald die BOP-Jungs aus dem Ort waren, kam die Frau, hat ihn aufgeholt und sie haben einen privaten Jet gekauft, wie ein Leer-Jet, für diesen vier-Tage-Prozess, um zu gehen. Sie sind nach Vegas gegangen, haben es gefeiert, hatten Sex auf dem Flugzeug, hatten die Zeit ihrer Leben, wie, du weißt, gefeiert für den gesamten Wochenende. Und dann, wie...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
45 Minuten bevor sie an der Greyhound-Busstation waren, brachten sie Perry zu der Greyhound-Busstation, um auf die BOP-Mannschaften zu warten. Dann kam er da rein und ging um sein Geschäft. Wie wurde er gefangen? Wie weißt du das? Ich weiß das, weil er später ein Fugitur wurde. Ich habe ihn für einen Ponzi-Schemen verhaftet, den er während in der Gefängnis verbracht hatte.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
There's still a half-empty flight, but there's people there. Another passenger, a dude, looks over and Krishna is taking care of himself, is pleasuring himself there in his seat. And he's got the photos. Und der Typ schaut nach Krishna, Krishna hält an. Und Krishna schaut rüber, macht Augenkontakt mit dem Kerl und zieht dann das Blanket über ihn, aber er weiter macht seine Sache selbst.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
It's a whole other story. And he was ripping off people from Hawaii. He and his wife were ripping off people while he was in prison. He told people he was this billionaire bond trader or something like that. And so as we were piecing together kind of what happened and where he was spending the money, I was seeing he paid a Learjet. He basically chartered a jet for the weekend while he's in prison.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And we pieced it together that that was the window of time that he was allegedly on a Greyhound bus. And then the pilot and everyone else told us exactly how it all went down. Nicht schlecht. Nicht schlecht. auf einem Bank-Fraud-Squad. Ich werde übernommen und jeder verpasst alles, wenn die Flugzeuge in die Gebäude fliegen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und eines der Jobs, die wir in Chicago hatten, das ist, wo die United Airlines ist, ist, auf Nacht eins herauszufinden, wer die Terroristen waren. Weil wir wussten, dass Flugzeuge in Gebäude fliegen. Und wir haben diese Flugzeuge-Manifeste, mit ein paar hundert Namen drauf. Und es war nicht nur so, dass man die Moslems auswählt.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Man musste sich jeden Menschen anschauen, der auf dieser Flugzeuge war. Das wäre für mich so. Well, we approach these things with an open mind. But that's kind of how it ended up turning out, is that, you know, Mohammed Atta, where was he most recently? He was at a flight school. And this is a guy, you know, the CIA tells us that this guy was training in an Al-Qaeda training camp.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And so you're kind of putting... You put him in this list. Ja, das ist richtig. Du kreierst zwei Pile von Leuten. Der Arzt aus Des Moines geht in diese Pile, ist eine verletzte Verletzte und dann geht jeder andere da hin.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Das war eine interessante Erfahrung für mich, um zu sehen, wie das Sausage von innen der FBI gemacht wird, wenn es einen Terrorismusakt gibt und um zu herausfinden, wer das gemacht hat. Und in diesem Fall viele Leute. So the TSA gets in, people don't remember this, but the TSA was not up and running then.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Before that, airport security was done by, where they were employees of the airport, making minimum wage. And they weren't always the most vigilant people there. It wasn't a government job. Das war ein Job, den man am Flughafen bekommen würde. Ich arbeite am O'Hare Flughafen, ich schraube Lager und ich schraube Leute. Und es war wirklich unvergesslich.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Du musstest nicht James, manchmal würden sie die Switchblade in deinem Bag fangen, manchmal konntest du mit 20 Boxkuttern fliegen. Und niemand payierte wirklich zu nah auf die Aufmerksamkeit. And then they decide to make this government agency TSA. But there was this window of time before TSA was stood up, because hiring government employees takes time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
They're doing background checks on the people who are the TSA screeners and all that, that they had like the military there. They had guys in like camouflage with like M4 machine guns standing there at security. I remember that. That was kind of shocking. The whole thing was very shocking, right? And so there was a window of time before TSA was stood up, where they had a...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Right at the end of the jet bridge, before you would board the plane, they had a, what do you call it, like a shower curtain there. And they would grab random people and pull them behind the shower curtain for like a secondary screening before they got on the plane. It was supposed to be random.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And so I'm flying armed quite a bit after this window of time, because I'm bouncing around in a counterterrorism squad, you know, flying back and forth to headquarters and other places. And they... Und es gab einen Zeitraum, ich glaube, es war ein Monat lang, in dem sie absolut besorgt waren mit der Idee, dass du Tweezers und Nähklippers auf Flugzeuge bringst.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Sie würden dich hinter die... Sie würden dich fragen, ob du Tweezers oder Nähklippers hast oder so etwas. Ich glaube, sie waren besorgt, dass jemand etwas mit einem Tweezer oder einem Nähklipper machen würde. Und es gab keine Begegnung für sie, wer der Kerl mit der Waffe war und wen sie hinter die Tür drückten, bevor sie aufs Flugzeug stürzten, um eine zweite Screening zu machen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Also bin ich hinter die Tür drückte, um eine zweite Screening zu machen. Und sie sagen, hast du irgendwelche Tweezers oder Nähklippers? Und ich sage, ich brauche sie nicht. Ich bin ein FBI-Agent, hier sind meine Kredenzialen, ich habe eine Waffe, ich habe eine Waffe auf meinem Hips.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und der Typ notiert den Flugzeuganwalt, und er hat keinen Kontext. All er macht, ist, dass er diesen Kerl zufrieden macht. Er erzählt dem Flugzeuganwalt, was los ist. Der Flugzeuganwalt, weil es ein halb leerer Flugzeug ist, klärt alle anderen aus dieser Sitzung aus und reassigniert sie in verschiedene Sitzungen, sodass Krishna ein bisschen Alleinzeit hat. Und sie landen in Boston.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und sie schauen mir meine Kredenzialen und mein Papier an und ich sage, okay, aber hast du irgendwelche Tweezers oder Nähklippers? Sie waren so konzentriert auf diese eine Mission, die Person mit den Tweezers und Nähklippers zu finden, dass es gar nicht mehr wichtig war, dass ich eine Waffe auf meinem Hips hatte.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich sagte, hör mal, wenn ich etwas Schreckliches an die Passagiere dieses Flugzeugs mache, werde ich nicht meine Nähklippers und Tweezers benutzen. So, I want to segue and kind of even go back further. You ever heard the term social contagion? No. Nowadays we kind of call it going viral, but a sociology doesn't use those terms. In sociology they have this term social contagion.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
It would be like panic buying. Like this is an idea or a behavior that goes, yeah, like exactly. Like it's, there's a hurricane that has a 20% chance of striking like Miami. And then everyone in Jacksonville and Tampa are buying all the bread, milk and toilet paper they can. And the reason they're doing it is not because they're watching the news, but because their neighbors are doing it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I would argue that the BLM protests were kind of a social contagion. It was something that happened. People got on the streets and started protesting. And the fact that people were doing it with social media now as an amplifier got more people out in the streets kind of protesting, either because they truly felt this or because they're looking for trouble in the streets.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Verschwörungstheorien sind eine großartige Idee von sozialen Kontagionen. Die 9-11 als inneres Job oder das Faken des Mondlandes. Diese Dinge verbreiten sich zwischen Menschen und diese Ideen gehen viral. Und der Grund, warum ich über eine soziale Kontagion spreche, ist, weil ich über eine sehr spezifische Frage sprechen möchte, die sich nennt Skyjacking. In welchem Jahr wurdest du geboren? 1969.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Okay, I was born in 1970, so we're roughly the same age. High school class of 88? Yeah. Yeah, same here. Because I failed. Right. I didn't want to bring that up, Matt, but it's in your permanent records. We can talk about it. So in the years, right around the time we were born, 1968 to 1972, the U.S. was suffering from an epidemic of skyjackings. Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es gab über 130 Highjackings von kommerziellen Flugzeugen im US-Aerospace während dieser Zeit. Manchmal gab es eine pro Woche, manchmal gab es mehrere Skyjackings am gleichen Tag. Hast du eine Erinnerung daran, oder sogar die Nachfolge davon, als du erwachsen bist?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Cooper. Right. Well, D.B. Cooper is a perfect example of a skyjacking at the time where he takes over the airplane in the air, I think with a gun. No gun? Bomb. Threatened a bomb. Or did he have a bomb? Do we know?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Right. It was Portland, Oregon, I believe. And so at some point, though, he gets a bunch of cash on the plane. Were they transporting bank cash on it or something like that? And then parachutes out with the cash, never to be seen or heard from again.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Right. Because it remains an open case and a mystery to this very day, who he was. And every now and then some news story percolates up. Was this guy D.B. Cooper? And it never really gets solved.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Sie rufen voran. Einige sehr, sehr glückliche FBI-Agenten bekommen Krishna aus dem Flugzeug ausgesucht. Und unter Interrogation, er verurteilt sich auf dem Flugzeug. Und er ist verhaftet mit diesem leeren Verhalten auf einem Flugzeug.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Because he never stands up and makes some grand gesture.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Sie muss radierend gewesen sein. Ja, ja. Sie muss radierend gewesen sein. Er konnte sich nicht resistieren. Was würdest du ihn verurteilen? Das ist das gleiche.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Er hat sich verurteilt, um Verletzungen auf einem Flugzeug zu verurteilen. Er hat keine Zeit, zwei Jahre Probe und, ich mag diese Partie, eine 5.000 Dollar Feinde. Schön. Die Menge Geld, die er Leyla gefordert hat, um den Abend im Hotel mit ihm zu verbringen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es ist so eine romantische Geschichte, richtig?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
It's a hell of a swim.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
That's why they put it there. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Yeah. And so what was happening is a lot of them were, again, this is 1968 to 1972 or 73. Castro had taken over by then? Yeah. Castro's Cuba. These were kind of like, a lot of them were like left-wing hippies, right? This is the Vietnam era, kind of the hippie era, Woodstock and all that. And they wanted to go live in the socialist paradise of Cuba, and this was the way they were going to do it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Oh, I wish they would have all made it. Castro, for this part, though, was like, bring it. And so what happened is... And he gets an airplane. Right. That is where I'm going with this. Okay. And so they would fly. It became so common. Again, 130 times over four years. Just think of the magnitude of that. Multiple times a week sometimes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Sometimes there were a couple a day where it happened. And so the FBI and the police were routine. So what happened is, fly us to Cuba. I have a bomb. They didn't have a bomb. They would pretend. They'd fly to Cuba. and Castro would grant them asylum, set them up in a little one-bedroom apartment there, thank them very much for their service to Cuba.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Castro would then have the plane, they would arrange for all these passengers who were brought along for the ride to get a free ride back to Miami or wherever. Then Castro would hold on to the plane though and he would sell it back to United Airlines, Pan Am or American Airlines or whatever for about 30,000 bucks to 50,000 bucks. And it was a fantastic source of revenue for him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Andere Leute... Aber diese machen es nicht. Alle diese machen es? Ja. 130 made it? Some of them. Not all of them went to Cuba. There were a lot of ransom ones as well, like D.B. Cooper, but not as well planned out. And those are the people who had a much tougher time, right? Because some of them would get the ransom and then go to Cuba. Some had other plans. Some were shot in the head.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
He's got five grand to spend. He says he does. Exactly. He was also ordered to have no contact with Leila and to delete the pictures of her that he put on his phone. The thing that people don't keep in mind, though, is that you're also banned from flying on that airline. That airline does not want you back.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
So there was any number of things happening here. But I guess for me, what was interesting is the idea of the social contagion. This was... Happened a couple of times. The media reports breathlessly about it. These kind of crazy dramatic stories, you know, filming people like filing off the plane or on the tarmac and all that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And then other people get the idea and it spreads like a social contagion. It was cut off all at once and they stopped it in its tracks. And do you know how they did that?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
It was like we were getting on a Greyhound bus. They weren't x-raying your luggage. They weren't x-raying you. You weren't going through a metal detector. It was like a Greyhound bus. And then they put in basic, nothing compared to what we have today, but basic security procedures, x-raying the bags, metal detector for the people, and the social contagion stopped because they hardened the targets.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich schaue also auf einen anderen sozialen Kontagierten, mit dem wir heute noch zusammenarbeiten, die Schulschutze. Es gab den Columbine, und die nächsten tausend von ihnen waren wie die Columbine-Copycats, wo jeder versucht, einen anderen aufzunehmen, und die Kinder bekommen ihre Namen auf dem Papier, und es gibt all diese Bewegungen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich frage mich, und du kannst darüber sprechen oder nicht, aber... Was können wir den Schulen tun, um die Ziele zu verschärfen, indem wir diesen Flugzeug-Exempel als sozialen Kontagenten als ein riesiges Problem vermitteln, das seine Rechte stoppt hat, indem wir die Ziele verschärfen. Was können wir den Schulen tun?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich denke, ich bin der Schlechte. Nein, nein, nein. Hast du Angst? Du bist der Kerl. You're the guy I respect, whose opinion I want to hear. You're my buddy. Well, what do you think, Colby?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
They started X-raying your bags and metal detecting the people.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Making the target harder. Before you could just waltz on board with anything you wanted to on the plane.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es ist ein interessantes Gedankenexperiment, ist das, was ich sage, das wir von der Erfahrung der Flugzeuge beobachten können. Ein Side-Effekt von diesem ganzen Ding ist, dass sie die Sky-Marshalls, die jetzt die Air-Marshalls genannt werden, entwickelt haben, die von dieser Ära kamen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Die Idee, Unterkopf-Offiziere zu stellen, deren Arbeit es war, nichts mehr zu tun, als auf einem Flugzeug von Ort zu Ort zu fliegen, um einen Sky-Jacking zu stoppen. Und dann fielen die Sky Marshals über die Weisheit und wurden dann die Air Marshals. Sie wurden dann als Air Marshals nach den 9-11-Angriffen übernommen. Das ist ein verdammter Job.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich kannte einen FBI-Agenten, der ein Air Marshal war. Und ich fragte ihn, ist das großartig? Man kann die Welt sehen. Er sagt, nein. Du wachst morgens auf, fliegst von... Du fliegst von Chicago nach Washington D.C. und dann gehst du zum Abendessen und dann fliegst du von Washington D.C. nach Chicago und dann gehst du zurück.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und ich sage, ich weiß nicht, du bist wie ein Celebrity mit den Flugangestellten. Sie sagen, die Flugangestellten hassen dich, weil du kein Revenue-Passenger bist. Sie sind in ziemlich guten Säten und das ist eine Säte, die sie haben wollen, um sie zu verkaufen und die Flugzeuge zu halten und all das. Aber jetzt sind sie von der Gesetzgebung benötigt. Ja, genau.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
als jeder überlegt hat, was Al-Qaida für den nächsten Angriff machen wird, war, dass es einen Unfall auf einem Flugzeug geben würde, der die Anwaltinnen und Anwälte beobachten würde. Die Anwaltinnen und Anwälte waren also wirklich diszipliniert darüber, sich festzuhalten und den Cockpit zu schützen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Die Anwaltinnen und Anwälte haben also Fistfights auf Flugzeugen gemacht, und die Anwaltinnen und Anwälte schauen sich Reader's Digest Magazin an. Somebody should do something about that. I think the guy I knew who was a former Air Marshal who became an FBI agent was a big muscle man. It looks like you really kept in great shape. You kind of had to.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Because if you're sitting on your duff for eight hours a day, just flying back and forth between two cities... Du hast nichts zu tun, sondern zu sitzen und zu essen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Du hast das, was du bezahlt hast. Aber die Dinge werden immer seriöser, wenn du andere Dinge machst. Lass uns über den 25-jährigen Oregoner, Neil McCarthy, sprechen. Das war ein Party-Mann. Er liebte Party. Dieser Mann liebte es, in einen Rager zu gehen. Also bookt er einen Flug auf den American Airlines von Portland, Oregon, nach Manchester, New Hampshire, am 4.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es ist eine 20-Jahre-Karriere für diese Leute. Bist du ernst? Es ist die Pension. Es ist die Regierungspension.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich habe es nicht gemacht, aber die Leute machen es. Ja, das ist verrückt. Und du kannst deine Flugzeuge nicht halten. Das war eine andere Frage. Habt ihr freundliche Flugzeuge? Er sagt nein. Das Interessante an Flugzeug-Sicherheit und den Prozeduren, die sie haben, wenn ich daran denke, ist, dass sie immer nach dem letzten Angriff suchen müssen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Sie machen nicht viel, in meiner Meinung, als Frequenzflieger, um zu schauen, was der nächste Angriff sein wird. Sie sind nicht proaktiv. Nehmen Sie den Richard-Reed-Mann, den Schuhbomber. Er packt ein paar Explosionen in seinen Air Jordans oder Reboxen. Und er nimmt sie weg und versucht, sie mit Feuer zu leuchten.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und ein Haarbrain-Plan, ich weiß nicht, ob es funktioniert hat oder nicht, oder welcher Niveau der Explosion war. Er war ein französischer, oder aus Frankreich, ich glaube, er war Algerianer oder so etwas. Sie arrestieren ihn. Und jetzt, für 20 Jahre, nehmen wir unsere Schuhe weg, um sie zu schreien, bevor wir auf ein Flugzeug kommen. Ja. Wegen eines Jokers. Ja, sie konnten es gar nicht entfernen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich denke zurück zu Dezember 21, 1988. Ich ging nach Clemson Universität. Mein bester Freund aus der Hochschule ging nach Syracuse Universität. Wir sind ein paar Tage früher aus der Schule gegangen und mein Freund hat gesagt, hey Mann, warum würdest du von Clemson nach Syracuse fahren? Ich wohne in Washington, D.C.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Nimm mich mit und dann gehen wir, wir feiern, wir werden in Syracuse verabredet, es wird fantastisch sein. Und ich sagte, ich kann nicht in Clemson verabredet werden, vielleicht muss ich lieber nach Syracuse. Und so fahre ich nach Syracuse mit einem anderen Freund, nehme ihn mit. Wir kommen da hin, es ist Dezember 21, 1988, ich glaube, es war ein Freitag, und wir wollen gehen und feiern.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Wir werden ein paar Mädchen treffen, es wird fantastisch sein. Und das war der Tag, an dem Pan Am-Flight 103 über Lockerbie-Scotland explodierte. Füllt mit Syracuse-Studierenden, die zurückgekommen waren aus ihrem Semester abroad in Scotland. Erinnerst du dich an diese Tragödie? Ich erinnere mich sehr spezifisch darauf.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es war verrückt. Ich meine, selbstverständlich, anstatt mit Mädchen zu gehen, musste ich die ganze Kampagne verabschieden und so weiter. Die ganze Kampagne war traumatisiert, denn alle wussten jemanden, der auf diesem Flugzeug war. But it's an interesting story about how the bomb got on board. Someone checked a bag from Malta, the island of Malta.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
That's where the plane had been a couple stops earlier. It was unaccompanied baggage. You were able to, back in those days with airline security, in 1988, check a bag onto a plane to go on to a flight if you didn't have a ticket. Das ist verrückt. Absolut verrückt. Und es gab einen Kassett-Rekorder. Colby, das ist das, was sie vor den CDs hatten. Und das war verpackt mit Explosiven an Bord.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und Semtex war der Explosiv. Und es hatte einen, was nennen wir das, einen Barium-Switch. Im Grunde genommen hatte es diesen wirklich sophisticateden Switch, dass, wenn es zu einem bestimmten... Druck. It then set off the timer, like, you know, an 18-hour timer. The plane went up and down and up and down with that bag on it, you know, on its way back to the US.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And then when the timer went off, it was over Lockerbie, Scotland. Exploded the plane with the radio cassette player in there. 38 minutes after takeoff at 31,000 feet, it exploded, 259 people all dead. It was absolutely terrible. And it killed 11 people who were just on the ground with the plane falling on their heads. Do you remember who did it? Nein. Es war Libyen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Juli letzten Jahres, damit er einen Rager mit seinen Brüdern haben kann. Er will Party. Aber man kann nicht direkt von Oregon nach New Hampshire fliegen, also muss man in Chicago stoppen. Also geht er nach Chicago und trifft den Bar am Flughafen. Und er ist einfach in Jack'n'Coke, Jack'n'Coke, Jack'n'Coke und Jack'n'Coke nach dem anderen. Es war kein Wunder, dass er auf dem Flughafen war.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es war Muammar Gaddafi aus Libyen, der das eigentlich verabschiedet hat, zwei Intelligenzagente zu senden, um dieses Gerät zu bauen. Und in Retaliation für Präsident Reagan, der seine Komponente gebombt hat und seine zwei Kinder getötet hat.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
It was like a crazy thing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Omar Gaddafi was nuts. Right. But again, back in those days, there was no screening whatsoever of suitcases. Suitcases were never searched or screened who were in the checked luggage. Und ich weiß nicht, ob du dich erinnerst, aber Jahre später, und sogar bis heute, haben die Flugzeugleute sich wirklich darauf konzentriert, dich zu fragen, hast du dein eigenes Lager gepackt? Ja, ja.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und es kam alles aus dem Lockerbie Scotland. Das war es. Weil, wiederum, wir sind immer nach dem letzten Fortschritt gefahren, anstatt nach dem nächsten zu schauen. Little epilogue. In 2003, Libya accepted responsibility for that attack and paid $2.7 billion in compensation to the victims' surviving family members. Wow.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Um klar zu sein, die Leute verhalten sich noch sehr schlecht auf Flugzeugen. Ja, ich würde sagen, einige sind wahr, andere nicht. Ja, die Lichter sind einfach nicht so gut wie die echten. Ja. Ich bin in deinem Show so viele Male und habe alle Geschichten von meiner eigenen Karriere erzählt. Ich möchte nur danken, dass du mich mitgebracht hast, um Geschichten thematisch zu erzählen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Denn das ist, was ich jeden Tag auf meinen sozialen Medien tue, als ich Geschichten erzähle. Ich kann also durchgehen und ein paar Flugzeug-Geschichten erzählen und die langformige Version davon mit dir erzählen. Vielen Dank, dass du mich mitgebracht hast. Sprechst du von sozialen Medien?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich dachte, es wird ein paar Stunden dauern, um Gottes willen. Ja, nein, es war schlecht. Ich meine, hör mal, mein TikTok, ich habe 100.000 oder so auf TikTok und ein paar hunderttausend auf Instagram, also du würdest meinen Publikum in ein Drittel schneiden.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
While I have no real inside information or opinion about the threat that TikTok actually posed from China to the US, which just wasn't my area of expertise, as an interested party, I was panicking. Do you know what I did not expect, though, is that CapCut, which is how I edit my little videos that I post every morning, is owned by ByteDance, who owns TikTok.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
So when they took down TikTok for that 12-hour period, all of my videos, which are now stored in the cloud for CapCut, Ja, genau. Colby, as far as what's going to happen, I really have no idea. I mean, Trump, I think, did a real favor for himself with young people by kind of postponing the TikTok ban for 90 days.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Also sitzt er da. Das Wichtigste bei Jack'n'Cokes ist, wenn du genug davon trinkst, was passiert? Ich trinke nicht. Ich trinke auch nicht. Okay. Ich trinke auch nicht.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I can't imagine that this is a priority in his presidency with everything else he's got going on. So I suspect that maybe the whole thing will just blow over. I'm certainly hoping so, based on my own selfish reasons.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Mein Verständnis, weil ich die Geschichte ziemlich nahe folge, ist, dass ByteDance sagt, dass das Verkaufen der Firma nicht viel bedeutet, weil es so in unseren Algorithmen und alles, was wir hier tun, so verbunden ist. Und so können wir nicht einfach den Namen verkaufen, die URL tiktok.com und haben Sie mit dem Verkauf ausgehen, weil alles... Die Algorithmen sind das Ding bei TikTok.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Wenn du interessiert bist für Tapdancing, wirst du viele Tapdancing-Videos sehen. Wenn du interessiert bist für Bücher, wirst du viele Buchvideos sehen. Und sie sagen, dass das nicht etwas ist, das einfach wiederhergestellt werden kann, indem sie die Firma verkaufen. Und sie sind nicht bereit, ihre Algorithmen wegzunehmen. Vielleicht für gefährliche Gründe. Ich weiß nicht, was passieren wird.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich denke, es ist ein Schwachsinn, zu präsentieren, was Präsident Trump tun wird, weil er ein impulsiver Typ ist. Und er denkt anders als andere Politiker. Was denkst du? Hast du eine Theorie?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Yeah, I mean, it feels like a natural for Elon Musk.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Yeah, we need him to put us on Mars. We, you know, he shouldn't be, he shouldn't be looking for ISIS beheading videos on TikTok. He should be putting us on Mars.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich war ein Agent vor 20 Jahren, aber ich suche nach wem.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Oh ja, nein, ich bin froh, das zu beantworten. Ja, also absolut. Ich meine, ich war ein Agent vor fünf Jahren, also müssen wir nicht 20 Jahre zurückgehen, Colby. Aber während der Erhöhung der sozialen Medien, ich meine, wenn man zurückgeht zu MySpace, würde ich zu jedem meiner Themen in MySpace gehen und anfangen, Screenshots zu nehmen, weil sie praktisch verurteilen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Viele dieser Leute, besonders die Fraud-Leute, leben wie Könige. Ich weiß, dass es dir schwer ist, zu glauben, dass manche Leute Fraude verursachen, und dann spendest du das Geld, um einen wirklich extravaganten Lebensstil zu leben, und Autos und Jewelry, und manche Leute mögen darüber auf der sozialen Medien sprüchen. Ich habe einen solchen Mann getroffen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es ist fantastisch, ja, es ist großartiges Beweis. I remember a kid that I was locked up with. I've actually talked about him before. Bunnyhop.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
That's what he had to do. He had to pee really bad. But he's so inebriated. That long walk, either up to the front or back to the plane, just seemed like so much. Wenn wir sagen, wir sollten es spielen. Patreon-Content. Und es beginnt zu stinken, richtig? Es ist schrecklich, richtig? Und hier ist die Unterschiede.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ja, er hat ihn mitgebracht. Ich meine, wenn ich an Streitnamen denke, ich habe einmal einen Gangster-Besitzer genannt, Stinky. Stinky.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
It was his street name. No. It was not his Christian name. And I said, why on earth do you have the name Stinky? He goes, when I was a baby, I had the stinkiest diapers. And my parents used to call me that and it just kind of stuck. I was like a 24-year-old man. I'm going to go out of my way here. He just couldn't shake that. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I mean, they like talking shit as they're playing chess.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Aber diese Jungs sind, ja, gotcha.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Oh no.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Did the corrections officers pile in there at that point to stop everything?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Sie müssen das Flugzeug übernehmen, weil es so schlecht war und so disruptiv, nach Buffalo, New York, wo es landete. Und wenn du ein Flugzeug übernimmst, dann werden die Penalitäten höher, als wenn das Flugzeug landen darf. Und es ist wie, du verunreinigst alle, du kostest den Flugzeugen Geld, etc., So Neil is taken off the plane by airport police and handed off to the FBI.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es wird ein raciales Thema.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
So I scream. And you think you're having this fantastic impact. I think. The great white savior.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
They did. I've seen that in action.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Oh Gott, du tötest mich. Es ist furchtbar.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
You're a painter. Painting is nothing for you. You can do that like that. It takes 10 minutes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Because again, crimes on a commercial aircraft are FBI jurisdiction. And Neil confesses in a recorded interview. How much time did you give Neil? You be the judge, Matt Cox.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es ist ein wunderschöner Set. Danke. Ich habe es immer genossen. Das war einer der Gründe, warum ich hierher kommen wollte und den Show machen wollte, weil es fantastisch aussah. Right? Yeah. Thank you. That's why we got in the black shirt controversy, because I wanted to make sure I looked visual. Because you've taken all this time to build out this beautiful studio.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I wanted to look, I wanted to be visually appealing to your audience. And I misrepresented the exchange.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I apologize. You made me look like an idiot.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Das sind meine Social Media.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ja, ich bin ein private investigator in Florida, der sich spezialisiert in finanziellen Verbrechen und Verbrechen. Aber ich arbeite in allen 50 Staaten, weil ich auch ein Forensiker bin. Und so, das ist, wie ich jetzt ein Leben mache.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich weiß nicht, in den 50 Staaten?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ja, ich meine, der Florida-Private Investigative License hat Reciprozität in sieben anderen Staaten, aber wenn ich in Texas arbeiten muss, dann arbeite ich als Konsultant oder Forensiker. Realistisch, du wirst mich nicht anrufen, um einen verletzten Mann in Texas zu folgen. Das macht keinen ökonomischen Sinn.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Aber du kannst mich anrufen, um den Mann zu konfrontieren, der dich in einem Ponzi-Schemen zerbrochen hat und versuchen, dein Geld für dich zurückzukriegen. Und so mache ich das.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Yeah, that's fine. I guess, as I've said before on the show, I do social media on TikTok and Instagram as a means by which to market my private investigative practice by telling kind of two-minute true crime stories every morning on Instagram and TikTok. My moniker there is at Simon Investigation. So if any of your followers wanted to follow me, I think there's good synergy between what we do.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich liebe es, an deinem Show zu kommen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und ich höre von so vielen Leuten, meinen Followern und potenziellen Kunden, die sagen, ich habe dich auf dem Matt Cox Show gesehen. Und das bedeutet mir die Welt, dass du mich immer wieder hast. Also danke, als Freund.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Never have. So I was in high school and I worked at a comic book store. And there was an older guy who worked at the comic book store. He used to say, be cool. And I thought he was like the coolest guy in the world. He was just like, this guy was so cool. And I thought, all right, well, I'm gonna make that my thing. And so I was like 15, 16 years old.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And I started saying, be cool to people instead of goodbye. And Und es wurde mein Ding. So viel, dass ich es nicht mal gehört habe, es zu sagen. Du siehst den Priester am Weihnachtsabend und er schlägt deine Hand und sagt, well, have a merry Christmas. I go, be cool, Father. And I would just walk away.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ja, und als es an der Zeit kam, diese sozialen Medien-Videos zu machen, ist es schwierig, eine 2-Minuten-Krime-Story zu beenden. Du willst ein definitives Ende haben, und ich habe mich darauf eingelassen, einen tollen Tag zu haben und cool zu sein, als meine Tagline. Aber es ist eine blöde Sache, aber es ist eine blöde Sache, die ich seit ich ein Kind war.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
What did you come up with yours? Mine? Yeah, just natural.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich weiß. Sie ist so über mir. Die Weibchen sind nie beeindruckt. Ja, ich habe mich ein paar Mal erkannt. Es ist immer wirklich gratifizierend. Ja, ich finde das super cool.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Absolut.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Coolest thing ever.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And here's a little thing. Everybody glamorizes kind of old school TV shows. But what you're doing here, and to a lesser extent what I do on social media, we're reaching a larger audience than some deep-cabled show on investigation discovery. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und die Idee, dass du und ich diesen Traum von Investitionsentdeckung durchführen sollten, wäre eigentlich ein Schritt nach unten, was die Größe unserer Publikation betrifft. Die einzige Grund, das zu tun wäre, wäre das Geld, ehrlich gesagt.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Aber die Idee, dass wir als Internet-True-Crime-Jungs irgendwie marginalisiert und als etwas weniger behandelt werden als die Leute von Investitionsentdeckung oder Investitionen, Nein. Nein. Nein. I can save you live on YouTube. This could really increase my numbers.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
You're giving him the kiss of life. Oh, shoot. Yeah, I was thinking, what was I thinking?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
TV shows. What we do reaches a bigger audience than what they do. We're in traditional media.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und deshalb habe ich Social Media angefangen, richtig? Ich meine, du und ich haben beide die gleiche Komponente, 30 Jahre von Geschichten zu erzählen. Und diese Geschichten werden dem Publikum erzählen, wer wir sind, viel mehr so als, in meinem Fall, eine Google-Ad oder so etwas, das aufsteht.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und es war nicht, bis ich diese Geschichten auf Social Media erzählte, dass meine private Investitionsagentur aufgehört hat.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Yeah, he was like a con artist, pretending to be a private investigator with Sybil Shepard. Yes! That was his breakthrough role. It was a good show.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Yeah, yeah, it was good.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Rockford Files. Solid, solid Show. Ja. Wir hatten immer die Antwortmaschine am Anfang. Es war großartig.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Hast du noch andere Tom Simons kennengelernt? Es gibt einen, der in der E-Mail-Familie arbeitet, der auch Tom Simon ist. Ich glaube, der andere Tom Simon, der einen wichtigen Teil meines Lebens hatte, wäre Tom Simon Senior, mein Vater.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I don't know. Every Tom, Dick and Harry is named Tom and Simon is not an atypical name. I remember one time some friends of mine were at the airport and they were in line talking about what an asshole Tom Simon was, speaking about me. And this couple turned around and they go, what are you talking about? That guy was named Tom Simon. Wow.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I was an FBI agent for 26 years. Seven of those years I was in the FBI Honolulu office. And Hawaii had a unique place in the FBI because even though we were a small office for the FBI in a relatively crime-free state, we led the nation in crimes aboard aircrafts. Und das ist, weil Hawaii wirklich weit von irgendwo anders ist.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Welche Percentage kriegst du eigentlich?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Er kassiert deine Karten.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es ist wahrscheinlich der längste kommerzielle Flug, den du für die meisten Leute nehmen wirst.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Du solltest ihn kontaktieren. Es wäre lustig. Es wäre ein lustiger Splitscreen. Sie werden nicht wissen, welchen der Giant Muscle Man benutzt.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es зависiert davon, wo du herkommst, oder? In Kalifornien? In Kalifornien etwa vier oder fünf. Aber ja, es ist ein langer Flug. Und was passiert, ist das. Der gemeinsame Denominator ist das. People who are going on long flights, oftentimes they're drinking alcohol beforehand. They're all going on vacation for the most part, right? Right. And we're coming home.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Lass mich auf. Nein, das Verbrechen ist tatsächlich ein Verbrechen. Es ist ein föderaler Verbrechen. Es ist ein FBI-Verbrechen. Es heißt Lüge-Behörde auf einem Flugzeug.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
They drink alcohol either on the plane or before or during a layover. And then they take Ambien. You ever taken Ambien? No. Have you never taken an Ambien to fall asleep? No, I'm kind of, I'm more of a square than you probably think. Oh, no, no, I didn't, I knew you weren't Pablo Escobar, but Ambien is a, it's a, I've taken Ambien.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
I'm 55 years old, I fall asleep right now, I'll go upstairs right now and fall asleep. I understand. I'm your age as well. But sometimes I use Ambien when I travel internationally to kind of get regulated, you know, so you're sleeping at night and awake during the day. But Ambien is a very useful drug. It gives you kind of three or four hours of just a Michael Jackson coma.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
You wake up and you don't even know the time passed. It's great. And when you wake up, you're not groggy. This is not sponsored content.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Honestly, Ambien is a great drug. The problem is, it can become not addictive, like you're jonesing for it, but for a bunch of former secretaries of state of the US, Matt Owen Albright, Hillary Clinton, all...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
all of whom became addicted to Ambien when they were secretaries of state, because they're constantly flying around, negotiating this or that, or meeting with foreign leaders, and they need to be at the top of their game. And then they can't sleep in their normal day-to-day life without Ambien, and they need to kind of wean themselves off of it. The problem is...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und sie sagen dir das in der Packung, aber niemand schreibt die Warnungen. Die Kombination von Ambien und Alkohol ist wirklich, wirklich nicht gefährlich. Es ist wirklich, es hat eine, was passiert ist, du schlägst aus und du, und ein bestimmter Teil der Bevölkerung schlägt aus, wenn sie Ambien und Alkohol nehmen. Und dann machen sie verrückte Sachen und wachen auf, ohne dass sie es gemacht haben.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Oh, I think no one would know. I believe there's probably a don't ask, don't tell policy with regard to the bathroom when the urge strikes you. So I want to tell you a couple of stories about guys who disobeyed that law. Quite a career. It's a public service announcement for your viewers. Your viewers reach out for me every now and then. I think they need to know this.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und auf Flugzeugen, und wir haben das zwei, drei Mal pro Woche bei FBI Honolulu gesehen, würden Leute den Cockpit rutschen, Flugabteilungen auspumpen. Oh mein Gott! Fremde Passagiere mit Kopfhörern anziehen und einfach rauf und runter in die Eile laufen, schreien.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und dann würde das Flugzeug in Honolulu landen, wir hätten einen Anruf, wir würden sie treffen, wir würden sie aus dem Flugzeug in Handkümmel nehmen, sie in einen Konferenzraum am Flughafen nehmen. Und dann würden sie fast aufwachen und sagen, was ist los? Ich bin in Handschuhen. Und du würdest sagen, du hast keine Erinnerung darauf, was auf dem Flugzeug passiert ist? Und sie würden sagen, nein.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Und ich würde sagen, du hast den Cockpit ausgerutscht. Du hast einen Flugzeuganwalt ausgerutscht. Du hast deinen Seatmate in den Kopf gesetzt. Du bist nach oben und nach unten gelaufen, wie ein Lunatik. Wieder und wieder und wieder passiert das. Und sie sagten, ich habe keine Ahnung, Herr, ich bin Direktor, ich bin Assistent Direktor von Human Resources für Microsoft Corporation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Ich weiß nicht, worüber Sie sprechen. Und ich so, hast du Ambien genommen? Er so, ja, ich hatte ein paar Jacks und Cokes und hatte ein Ambien. Und das ist passiert, richtig? Also was machst du mit einem solchen Mann, Matt? Du bist der Justiz-Mann.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
No, no. Flight landed in Honolulu as planned. You got a guy who scared the heck out of everyone in the plane, trying to burst into the cockpit, acting like a lunatic, disobeying flight attendance orders. We always interview the other passengers also, and quite often they're thoroughly terrified at a madman running around the plane like Conan the Barbarian. What do you do?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Okay. No, I think you're on the right track. So the dilemma we have is that, you know, all those things. We don't want to have to have taxpayers pay to house the vice president of human resources who happened to take a pill and drink a vodka coke to house him in prison. But we also need to send a statement that this is not acceptable behavior.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
So what we would allow them to do is plead guilty to a misdemeanor of interfering with the flight crew. And then... In court in Honolulu. And again, they've spent the night at the Metropolitan Correctional Center there, the federal detention center. And their sentence is agreed upon as time served. Yeah, I was going to say, they've been thoroughly humiliated.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
And they've had a terrible vacation, right? They've ruined the vacation for their family members. What's interesting about that, and it always kind of bothered me ethically, but it's...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon
Es ist der einzige Weg, es zu tun, ist, dass, um eine schuldige Beleidigung zu machen, und wie du weißt, du musst eine gewisse Bewusstheit von Schuld haben, wenn du vor dem Gericht kommst und sagst, und du ermittelst ein Verbrechen.