Tony Harris
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Come on, nobody's going to live in a structure like that. When you're inside there, it's going to have the atmosphere of an airport terminal or a shopping mall.
Come on, nobody's going to live in a structure like that. When you're inside there, it's going to have the atmosphere of an airport terminal or a shopping mall.
Right in front of us is this craziness. If someone would just say to him, It's not a good idea to build a middle school 300 meters up in the sky in a glass tunnel in the middle of the desert. That doesn't sound like a great idea, does it?
Right in front of us is this craziness. If someone would just say to him, It's not a good idea to build a middle school 300 meters up in the sky in a glass tunnel in the middle of the desert. That doesn't sound like a great idea, does it?
The urges were always there, but if you wanted your job, I mean, they brooked absolutely no dissension. Zero. The slightest wavering, the slightest sign of resistance, you were out on your ear. And that was made very, very clear. How did they make it clear that you'd be sort of fired if there was any dissent?
The urges were always there, but if you wanted your job, I mean, they brooked absolutely no dissension. Zero. The slightest wavering, the slightest sign of resistance, you were out on your ear. And that was made very, very clear. How did they make it clear that you'd be sort of fired if there was any dissent?
So as you know, Saudi Arabia is totally dry. And so in theory was the camp. But we found a way of doctoring the fruit juice.
So as you know, Saudi Arabia is totally dry. And so in theory was the camp. But we found a way of doctoring the fruit juice.
Yes, we brought in some stuff that would make it work. And by the way, they sold these, I mean, you can only laugh because they must have known what we were doing. They sold these big cardboard cartons of fruit juice in the camp store. And, you know, people would cart them away in wheelbarrows. What would you talk about over the moonshine with your friends? How nuts we all are. But we were there.
Yes, we brought in some stuff that would make it work. And by the way, they sold these, I mean, you can only laugh because they must have known what we were doing. They sold these big cardboard cartons of fruit juice in the camp store. And, you know, people would cart them away in wheelbarrows. What would you talk about over the moonshine with your friends? How nuts we all are. But we were there.
And it's not often that you're able to walk into a car dealership and write a check with one month's salary for a brand new vehicle. That is very seductive. So it was the money that was keeping you going? It was certainly the money that was keeping us going towards the end, yes. Absolutely. Yes. Yes.
And it's not often that you're able to walk into a car dealership and write a check with one month's salary for a brand new vehicle. That is very seductive. So it was the money that was keeping you going? It was certainly the money that was keeping us going towards the end, yes. Absolutely. Yes. Yes.
I mean, I think the number of people who we met who were building a second house on Ibiza or somebody was paying for a nice 40-foot Hinkley or somebody was waiting until they'd paid off their kids' college tuition. I think you get the drift. You know, this was the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, which comes along once in a blue moon. And for many people, it never comes along.
I mean, I think the number of people who we met who were building a second house on Ibiza or somebody was paying for a nice 40-foot Hinkley or somebody was waiting until they'd paid off their kids' college tuition. I think you get the drift. You know, this was the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, which comes along once in a blue moon. And for many people, it never comes along.
Well, I think we wanted to stick it out. We said, we've come this far. Maybe it's going to get better. You know, maybe they will see the reason. Maybe this is not so bad. But eventually it became too stressful. And I think that's why we left, and I think that's why most people leave. They can't take the work environment.
Well, I think we wanted to stick it out. We said, we've come this far. Maybe it's going to get better. You know, maybe they will see the reason. Maybe this is not so bad. But eventually it became too stressful. And I think that's why we left, and I think that's why most people leave. They can't take the work environment.
If I look back today, I certainly don't regret that experience. We learned a lot. We met some absolutely fabulous people. So I'm not sorry that we had that experience. I just am sorry that it was so badly led from the very top.
If I look back today, I certainly don't regret that experience. We learned a lot. We met some absolutely fabulous people. So I'm not sorry that we had that experience. I just am sorry that it was so badly led from the very top.
He called all of us together. And at that point, I think there were about between 400 and 500 people at the camp at that time.
He called all of us together. And at that point, I think there were about between 400 and 500 people at the camp at that time.
I think that honeymoon period lasted for probably a month or so. And then we started asking questions.
I think that honeymoon period lasted for probably a month or so. And then we started asking questions.
One of the things that emerged, which I found absolutely fascinating, was one of the most important metrics Neom uses to evaluate projects is the speed at which you spend money. Now, just let that sink in a little bit, the speed at which you spend money. It's not about how effective was the project, how many people did it reach, how many lives did it change.
One of the things that emerged, which I found absolutely fascinating, was one of the most important metrics Neom uses to evaluate projects is the speed at which you spend money. Now, just let that sink in a little bit, the speed at which you spend money. It's not about how effective was the project, how many people did it reach, how many lives did it change.
He called everyone together. and he literally started screaming and shouting. It was as though your four-year-old was having a tantrum on the floor. What was he saying when he was yelling? He was admonishing people for not working hard enough, essentially was his message. And what was going through my mind was, this can't actually be happening.
He called everyone together. and he literally started screaming and shouting. It was as though your four-year-old was having a tantrum on the floor. What was he saying when he was yelling? He was admonishing people for not working hard enough, essentially was his message. And what was going through my mind was, this can't actually be happening.
No, it's about how quickly you spend money.
No, it's about how quickly you spend money.
No, we couldn't spend money quickly enough. We could not spend money quickly enough.
No, we couldn't spend money quickly enough. We could not spend money quickly enough.
Yes, instead of 10 times that. So I went with the flow, believe me. Did you spend half a million dollars? Yes. And look, it was a successful project, as it should have been.
Yes, instead of 10 times that. So I went with the flow, believe me. Did you spend half a million dollars? Yes. And look, it was a successful project, as it should have been.
They didn't want us to make any decisions. What they did want us to do was to hire one of the aforementioned consulting companies to research the issue and make a recommendation. Why? Very, very curious. Now, I thought about that myself.
They didn't want us to make any decisions. What they did want us to do was to hire one of the aforementioned consulting companies to research the issue and make a recommendation. Why? Very, very curious. Now, I thought about that myself.
If the project fails or there's a problem, I can always turn around and say, look, it's not me. We paid these guys and their associates. Don't blame me. Nobody ever wants to take responsibility. And one understands. Why not? Because the system of Management over there is ruthless, and so people are afraid to make decisions.
If the project fails or there's a problem, I can always turn around and say, look, it's not me. We paid these guys and their associates. Don't blame me. Nobody ever wants to take responsibility. And one understands. Why not? Because the system of Management over there is ruthless, and so people are afraid to make decisions.
And I thought to myself, okay, very soon what's going to happen? He's going to stop his performing and somebody's going to come in and there's going to be some interesting intervention and there's going to be some little lesson about how not to manage. But oh no, this was for real. This was for real. I was shocked. I mean...
And I thought to myself, okay, very soon what's going to happen? He's going to stop his performing and somebody's going to come in and there's going to be some interesting intervention and there's going to be some little lesson about how not to manage. But oh no, this was for real. This was for real. I was shocked. I mean...
you know i have lived all over the world i've i've taught all over the world i've encountered people from different cultures i've never seen anything like this nadmi al-nasa has built a reputation over the decades of getting things done
you know i have lived all over the world i've i've taught all over the world i've encountered people from different cultures i've never seen anything like this nadmi al-nasa has built a reputation over the decades of getting things done
Come on, nobody's going to live in a structure like that. When you're inside there, it's going to have the atmosphere of an airport terminal or a shopping mall.
Right in front of us is this craziness. If someone would just say to him, It's not a good idea to build a middle school 300 meters up in the sky in a glass tunnel in the middle of the desert. That doesn't sound like a great idea, does it?
The urges were always there, but if you wanted your job, I mean, they brooked absolutely no dissension. Zero. The slightest wavering, the slightest sign of resistance, you were out on your ear. And that was made very, very clear. How did they make it clear that you'd be sort of fired if there was any dissent?
So as you know, Saudi Arabia is totally dry. And so in theory was the camp. But we found a way of doctoring the fruit juice.
Yes, we brought in some stuff that would make it work. And by the way, they sold these, I mean, you can only laugh because they must have known what we were doing. They sold these big cardboard cartons of fruit juice in the camp store. And, you know, people would cart them away in wheelbarrows. What would you talk about over the moonshine with your friends? How nuts we all are. But we were there.
And it's not often that you're able to walk into a car dealership and write a check with one month's salary for a brand new vehicle. That is very seductive. So it was the money that was keeping you going? It was certainly the money that was keeping us going towards the end, yes. Absolutely. Yes. Yes.
I mean, I think the number of people who we met who were building a second house on Ibiza or somebody was paying for a nice 40-foot Hinkley or somebody was waiting until they'd paid off their kids' college tuition. I think you get the drift. You know, this was the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, which comes along once in a blue moon. And for many people, it never comes along.
Well, I think we wanted to stick it out. We said, we've come this far. Maybe it's going to get better. You know, maybe they will see the reason. Maybe this is not so bad. But eventually it became too stressful. And I think that's why we left, and I think that's why most people leave. They can't take the work environment.
If I look back today, I certainly don't regret that experience. We learned a lot. We met some absolutely fabulous people. So I'm not sorry that we had that experience. I just am sorry that it was so badly led from the very top.
He called all of us together. And at that point, I think there were about between 400 and 500 people at the camp at that time.
I think that honeymoon period lasted for probably a month or so. And then we started asking questions.
One of the things that emerged, which I found absolutely fascinating, was one of the most important metrics Neom uses to evaluate projects is the speed at which you spend money. Now, just let that sink in a little bit, the speed at which you spend money. It's not about how effective was the project, how many people did it reach, how many lives did it change.
He called everyone together. and he literally started screaming and shouting. It was as though your four-year-old was having a tantrum on the floor. What was he saying when he was yelling? He was admonishing people for not working hard enough, essentially was his message. And what was going through my mind was, this can't actually be happening.
No, it's about how quickly you spend money.
No, we couldn't spend money quickly enough. We could not spend money quickly enough.
Yes, instead of 10 times that. So I went with the flow, believe me. Did you spend half a million dollars? Yes. And look, it was a successful project, as it should have been.
They didn't want us to make any decisions. What they did want us to do was to hire one of the aforementioned consulting companies to research the issue and make a recommendation. Why? Very, very curious. Now, I thought about that myself.
If the project fails or there's a problem, I can always turn around and say, look, it's not me. We paid these guys and their associates. Don't blame me. Nobody ever wants to take responsibility. And one understands. Why not? Because the system of Management over there is ruthless, and so people are afraid to make decisions.
And I thought to myself, okay, very soon what's going to happen? He's going to stop his performing and somebody's going to come in and there's going to be some interesting intervention and there's going to be some little lesson about how not to manage. But oh no, this was for real. This was for real. I was shocked. I mean...
you know i have lived all over the world i've i've taught all over the world i've encountered people from different cultures i've never seen anything like this nadmi al-nasa has built a reputation over the decades of getting things done