Travis Kitchens

He didn't meet Roland until 1999. Okay. So what they did is they invited Roland out to California, and they said, hey, we want to study psychedelics. Would you be interested in this? Now, before they asked Roland, they asked Rick Strassman. Oh, really? Yes, and he said no, because they didn't say we want to do psychedelic research. They said we want to research mystical and religious experiences.

He didn't meet Roland until 1999. Okay. So what they did is they invited Roland out to California, and they said, hey, we want to study psychedelics. Would you be interested in this? Now, before they asked Roland, they asked Rick Strassman. Oh, really? Yes, and he said no, because they didn't say we want to do psychedelic research. They said we want to research mystical and religious experiences.

He didn't meet Roland until 1999. Okay. So what they did is they invited Roland out to California, and they said, hey, we want to study psychedelics. Would you be interested in this? Now, before they asked Roland, they asked Rick Strassman. Oh, really? Yes, and he said no, because they didn't say we want to do psychedelic research. They said we want to research mystical and religious experiences.

Strassman knows a lot about the history of psychedelic research, right?

Strassman knows a lot about the history of psychedelic research, right?

Strassman knows a lot about the history of psychedelic research, right?

He's got a book about DMT and the ancient Hebrew prophets, so he probably does. His books are great. I mean, Spirit Molecule is a big, massive classic that's translated into a dozen languages and sold a ton of copies and was sort of started. It didn't start the Joe Rogan podcast, but it was like a major feature of the early podcast, all the stuff about DMT.

He's got a book about DMT and the ancient Hebrew prophets, so he probably does. His books are great. I mean, Spirit Molecule is a big, massive classic that's translated into a dozen languages and sold a ton of copies and was sort of started. It didn't start the Joe Rogan podcast, but it was like a major feature of the early podcast, all the stuff about DMT.

He's got a book about DMT and the ancient Hebrew prophets, so he probably does. His books are great. I mean, Spirit Molecule is a big, massive classic that's translated into a dozen languages and sold a ton of copies and was sort of started. It didn't start the Joe Rogan podcast, but it was like a major feature of the early podcast, all the stuff about DMT.

And their goal was what? To launch the studies at Hopkins.

And their goal was what? To launch the studies at Hopkins.

And their goal was what? To launch the studies at Hopkins.

Yes, they said, let's figure out a way to study this at Hopkins. And what altogether, Peterson, you know, of course, Peterson is a clinical psychologist who's in the Jungian tradition. So he's already into this shit and he's into psychedelics.

Yes, they said, let's figure out a way to study this at Hopkins. And what altogether, Peterson, you know, of course, Peterson is a clinical psychologist who's in the Jungian tradition. So he's already into this shit and he's into psychedelics.

Yes, they said, let's figure out a way to study this at Hopkins. And what altogether, Peterson, you know, of course, Peterson is a clinical psychologist who's in the Jungian tradition. So he's already into this shit and he's into psychedelics.

I know. Right? Yeah. I mean, my personal feeling of him is when he talks, it's so confused and convoluted that I can never really figure out what he's saying.

I know. Right? Yeah. I mean, my personal feeling of him is when he talks, it's so confused and convoluted that I can never really figure out what he's saying.

I know. Right? Yeah. I mean, my personal feeling of him is when he talks, it's so confused and convoluted that I can never really figure out what he's saying.

Yeah, that it's the operating system of the human mind. He believes the mind is a myth generator and that religion and mythology is just the operating system of the mind. He's got a book about this big called Maps of Meaning that's the biggest convoluted mess you've ever seen in your life. And I actually read it.

Yeah, that it's the operating system of the human mind. He believes the mind is a myth generator and that religion and mythology is just the operating system of the mind. He's got a book about this big called Maps of Meaning that's the biggest convoluted mess you've ever seen in your life. And I actually read it.