Travis Kitchens

I thought for sure he knew. And he said, we don't know. And I'm a OCD type researcher, reader. And I thought there must be an answer for this somewhere. Somewhere must know this sort of what it does from a scientific standpoint. And I did tell him and Matt Johnson, hey, I think this is what's behind religion. No, I thought this was some great insight. And I'm sure everybody says that.

So Roland, you know, he didn't have much to say about it. Matt said, I don't think so. You should read Andy Letcher's book, Shroom. But I was convinced. Because I'm from Kentucky, so I was around people who were religious, but I've never been religious. In this experience, I was convinced that, wow, this is totally supernatural. It's totally real. We don't understand it. What is this?

So Roland, you know, he didn't have much to say about it. Matt said, I don't think so. You should read Andy Letcher's book, Shroom. But I was convinced. Because I'm from Kentucky, so I was around people who were religious, but I've never been religious. In this experience, I was convinced that, wow, this is totally supernatural. It's totally real. We don't understand it. What is this?

So Roland, you know, he didn't have much to say about it. Matt said, I don't think so. You should read Andy Letcher's book, Shroom. But I was convinced. Because I'm from Kentucky, so I was around people who were religious, but I've never been religious. In this experience, I was convinced that, wow, this is totally supernatural. It's totally real. We don't understand it. What is this?

So that was my immediate reaction was to start looking into the origins of religion, into the literature of the psychology of religion, because I wanted to know what we could find out about the drug and what we could find out about these experiences.

So that was my immediate reaction was to start looking into the origins of religion, into the literature of the psychology of religion, because I wanted to know what we could find out about the drug and what we could find out about these experiences.

So that was my immediate reaction was to start looking into the origins of religion, into the literature of the psychology of religion, because I wanted to know what we could find out about the drug and what we could find out about these experiences.

Yeah, what happened was in the 1990s, a guy named Bob Jesse, who's a computer engineer from Baltimore, he went to Hopkins, genius guy. He went out in the late 80s. He was an employee of Oracle, which is owned by Larry Ellison. It was a CIA contractor. Their first customer was the CIA. Bob Jesse was the vice president of marketing. He was very high up. He took MDMA to rave.

Yeah, what happened was in the 1990s, a guy named Bob Jesse, who's a computer engineer from Baltimore, he went to Hopkins, genius guy. He went out in the late 80s. He was an employee of Oracle, which is owned by Larry Ellison. It was a CIA contractor. Their first customer was the CIA. Bob Jesse was the vice president of marketing. He was very high up. He took MDMA to rave.

Yeah, what happened was in the 1990s, a guy named Bob Jesse, who's a computer engineer from Baltimore, he went to Hopkins, genius guy. He went out in the late 80s. He was an employee of Oracle, which is owned by Larry Ellison. It was a CIA contractor. Their first customer was the CIA. Bob Jesse was the vice president of marketing. He was very high up. He took MDMA to rave.

He said, this is going to fix the world. We have to do it. It will usher into utopia. And he started to raise money for studying psychedelics. He held a bunch of conferences. And what they needed, what they did not have, they said, let's restart this psychedelic movement. Timothy Leary, he had ruined it with all these political antics and was being reckless.

He said, this is going to fix the world. We have to do it. It will usher into utopia. And he started to raise money for studying psychedelics. He held a bunch of conferences. And what they needed, what they did not have, they said, let's restart this psychedelic movement. Timothy Leary, he had ruined it with all these political antics and was being reckless.

He said, this is going to fix the world. We have to do it. It will usher into utopia. And he started to raise money for studying psychedelics. He held a bunch of conferences. And what they needed, what they did not have, they said, let's restart this psychedelic movement. Timothy Leary, he had ruined it with all these political antics and was being reckless.

What we need is a scientist with a conservative reputation that can get the application approved to study them because there was an embargo on them. And if me or you would have said to the FDA or in the DEA, hey, we want to study psychedelic drugs. Would you give us a little bit? And what do you think they're going to say?

What we need is a scientist with a conservative reputation that can get the application approved to study them because there was an embargo on them. And if me or you would have said to the FDA or in the DEA, hey, we want to study psychedelic drugs. Would you give us a little bit? And what do you think they're going to say?

What we need is a scientist with a conservative reputation that can get the application approved to study them because there was an embargo on them. And if me or you would have said to the FDA or in the DEA, hey, we want to study psychedelic drugs. Would you give us a little bit? And what do you think they're going to say?

When Roland Griffiths, who had spent decades studying opioids and tobacco, he was giving opioids to apes. So he's a behavior scientist. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, so he was at Copkins his whole life. He was a very distinguished psychopharmacologist.

When Roland Griffiths, who had spent decades studying opioids and tobacco, he was giving opioids to apes. So he's a behavior scientist. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, so he was at Copkins his whole life. He was a very distinguished psychopharmacologist.

When Roland Griffiths, who had spent decades studying opioids and tobacco, he was giving opioids to apes. So he's a behavior scientist. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, so he was at Copkins his whole life. He was a very distinguished psychopharmacologist.

He did. He studied caffeine, and he was on a jihad against the soft drink manufacturers, so they hate him, and they actually published hit pieces on him.