Unnamed Survivor
Appearances
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The Code Breakers
suddenly they realized that this suspect had a second victim the difference this time the victim survived and lived to tell he started telling me that he was training to become a policeman and stuff he was like i'll just take you home i don't know why but i believed him don't miss good american family we have
20/20
The Code Breakers
I was 19. There was a new country western bar that opened up. I really didn't want to go that night, but I'd promised the other girls that I would go. I decided I wanted to leave. I was done. I wanted to get home. The parking lot was mud, and my car was stuck in the mud. I just thought, I'll just walk to the gas station and call my mom.
20/20
The Code Breakers
He said his brother's name and then he said where he went to high school. And then he said, do you go to Forest Park? And I was like, yeah. And then he started telling me that he was training to become a policeman and stuff. And so then he was like, I'll just take you home. And I don't know why, but, you know, I just, I believed him.
20/20
The Code Breakers
He started off being very nice. The thing I know, we're at this field. And then his whole demeanor changed.
20/20
The Code Breakers
I just felt awful and shameful. I was just like, I can't tell him. I'll never tell anybody what happened. I don't know. I was kind of like, I don't know if anybody would believe me. You know, is it my fault? Was it my fault?
20/20
The Code Breakers
I think today they take it more serious than they did back then. I wanted him to be punished. I think I was just pushing everything down and just trying to focus on with life.
20/20
The Code Breakers
It was a Friday, and I was at work. My phone rang, and it said Beaumont Police. This emotion came over me, and I was like, What, is someone messing with me?
20/20
The Code Breakers
He said, he's a suspect in a murder. And that's when he started telling me about the DNA. And he said, it is a cold case murder. And I was like, you don't even have to ask. I will go. I will testify. We hung up. I just broke down. I mean, you just go back to being that girl again where that fear and all of it just kind of consumes you again.
20/20
The Code Breakers
Yes. I just kind of blocked out everything else and just focused on the questions.
20/20
The Code Breakers
When I was getting out of the car, he said, stop crying. I'm sorry. I hope I didn't hurt you. You have to say these things out loud. And then knowing that he's sitting right over there and just Just being in the same room, and that was hard.
20/20
The Code Breakers
It was just relief. I was thankful that I did it. Thankful that it did help. It did help putting him away.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
She was born in 1939, before the war. Her mother died when she was five, just after the war. And... So her father, whom I did know, he was inappropriate. He did one thing to me that was inappropriate. Her father, your grandfather?
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
So she grew up in a town in Belgium during the war, in her early years during the war, and then lost her mother at a very early age. And I can only assume that there was sexual abuse happening because that's how she always acted. I have gone through more than 30 years of healing from sexual abuse, all kinds of sexual abuse. And so that journey of healing, which is really
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
you know, what makes me aware of these things. That's, you know, she acted like someone who was sexually abused and never understood that she was more than that. You know, when you get as a child, there's something that happens when you're a child and you're innocent and you're the light of God and you are innocent and your innocence is your true self. That's who you are. That's your light.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And when you are sexually abused... It's like you feel that you've lost that innocence and that you can never have it back. The trauma of sexual abuse is such that, you know, trauma means you're going to hope, you wish that it was yesterday if there's a big loss. You just want it to be the day before when this hadn't happened yet. You just want to go back.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
With sexual abuse, it's like they steal your light. They steal your life. They steal your innocence. And you feel that you've lost it because you're a child and you don't know that you don't deserve this because you assume that you did. And then there are children that can never get back to that light. And the network and the way that the network operates is all to keep you in the dark.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And it's run by people that are not in touch with themselves on that pure level, on that level of, I am light, I am a child of God. And when that's lost, when the abuse gives this message that I have to put out sexually in order to be loved, Then you get this message. Then that's how you get validated. That's how you want your attention.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And my mother acted like that, like someone who had no connection to herself and who was just constantly trying to get sexual validation from all men.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I gave that specific number, but obviously it's an approximation. It wasn't every week. Look, sometimes it wasn't every week, but other times I was gone for the summer of 1972. I was gone two months. From home. I wasn't home at all.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I was with the traffickers.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
The first month, no. The first month I was in the United States being trafficked in the United States by a powerful billionaire who was basically triaging me and training me in his homes.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I'm not saying who that is yet. I have to be careful what I say. I can't just... Flop these names out.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Definitely, you would know the name.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Dead. He was, you know, he was taking me here. I was in the United States, so I was either in his homes, three of his homes I spent time in, or I was in the room in the daytime sometimes, in a bedroom, or I was even at a family's near D.C. for a week, basically parked in a family, nice family that treated me well, probably satanic family, and that were very happy to do a favor for this man.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And then... I was, after that, was taken to Germany. And I was there for another month in a facility in Heidelberg for what was my mind control training. And this is 1972 when I was nine years old.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Yeah.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
When I met this billionaire. So in 1972, you had the Bilderberg meeting that happened in Belgium. So for that event, Paul van den Boenans made sure that he probably did many things around there, but basically to please this powerful American that was there for the Bilderberg meeting, he staged a ritual.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
The mind control training, he had plans for me. All right, I can say something. He had me in his homes and everything to get me used to the life of the elite so that I would know how to eat, so that I would recognize good clothes, so that I would be comfortable in these environments.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And alongside that, we went to one of the islands on the northeastern coast of the United States and saw there, and this was a Rothschild who was there.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
A Rothschild, yeah.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Yeah, so I'm saying we were with Evelyn the Rothschild for one day only. Okay. it was clear that this billionaire who you would think is just as powerful as this Rothschild was not as powerful in the network as he was. And he was asking for permission to make the star that he wanted to make of me. Well, he didn't want to make me into a star.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
He wanted to make me into an elite sex slave where I would become famous in France. And then with that role, I would attract the most powerful men in the world and I would be able to spy on them for him and so forth.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I can't say this. All right.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I know this is... Just give me a minute. Oh, I can't lie, but... It's scary. Yeah, might as well. Okay, there you go.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I've never said his name.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
But I knew a lot, but I didn't know that it was him.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Immediately. I knew immediately. I just saw his face. First of all, I saw his face and then immediately a lot of other memories came back with him.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Well, I spent quite a lot of time with him in the beginning. So from 72 to 73, this was his training. So I spent quite a lot of time with him in the US in that first month, in July of 1972, and spent time in his estate in Westchester and also in his home in New York City and also in his home in Maine. And on the way to Maine, on his sailboat,
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
we stopped off at Rothschild, who had to give his permission for the persona that he wanted to make out of me. And then Rothschild invited me into the family. And I gave my... Certainly, I had not been treated very well up until then, so suddenly I get a very nice invitation. I feel...
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
You know, even this training, even though there was a lot of sex training also, just let's not make any mistakes here. This is not like I was just being suddenly being treated really well. I was being trained sexually as well. But it was the best I'd ever seen in my life at age nine. And when I was invited, I... You mean treatment of elites like lifestyle, wealth?
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
No, in the first three years in the network by Paul van den Boernans, I was treated like absolute piece of dirt.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I was the lowest of the low. He always treated me like, you know, he wasn't worth the time for him to even like sort of like have a, I don't know, chewing gum on his soul or something, you know, and he just had to pull it off and just resented having to spend any time on me. But he was selling me all over or whatever he was doing.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
He was using me for blackmail for people that were supposedly new or he was giving me to depraved aristocrats. But he didn't want to, you know, I was treated, most of the time I was treated like I was an absolute piece of dirt, like I had no value at all.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
He beat me up.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I did not get sexually abused by him. He was extremely sadistic. So he did not sexually abuse me. He abused other children, though. And I... I don't remember being sexually abused by him. But... But he and a few others that were in charge there just really would treat me like the lowest of the low. So I was used to sort of knowing that it was them, it was their fault.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I knew that they treated me that way, but I know that I'm human. So I didn't really fully take it seriously. And I was kind of playing the game to survive, playing this game of whatever they needed me to do. I was doing it. And then in 1972, suddenly three years later, I got, you know, treated as very special.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And this treatment had a lot to do with the excitement that David Rockefeller felt over the fact that he loved being behind the scenes creating this slave, this elite sex slave who was going to make him millions. And I was already sold in the first year. In that year, in that year till I, till I, you know, I gave my will to the Rothschild.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And he asked specifically, you know, he asked, will you be part of the family? And I said, yes. And he asked me to say, I will. Give my will. And a year later, I did not give my will anymore. That's why I'm here.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
They wanted to control everybody.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
He was a pedophile, first of all. And these families... Rothschild and David or more David? The Rothschild I don't think was a pedophile. He was more powerful, but he was not a pedophile. David Rockefeller was a pedophile. There's a lot of survivors. I work with survivors. There are a lot of survivors out there of David Rockefeller. But I saw him in a certain light, and I've met one other person.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Now that we're named David Rockefeller, I can tell you that the place where I was taken in Germany, in Heidelberg, the doctor that was in charge there, Hans Harmsen, I have met another survivor that was also a special project of David Rockefeller, and Hans Harmsen, who was the doctor in charge there, she was there too as a special project of him, and she also came across Hans Harmsen.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Hans Harmsen.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
S-E-N, yes. There you go. There you go.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Meet him? Oh, yeah.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
He was... I think that he was in charge of the special project of David Rockefeller for the mind control training. And I know one other survivor who went through similar experiences as myself later on.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Meet him? Oh, yeah.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Horrendous.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Okay. The way that you're trained in mind control training, it's based on torture. what I was used to doing as a child sex slave was to please men in some way or other, to get on their wavelength so that they wouldn't harm me, so that I could survive. With him, I never got anywhere. I never got through it at all. Most of these pedophiles you could get through in some way.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Horrendous.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
He loved being behind the scenes creating this elite sex slave who was going to make him millions.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
There's some way in which I could sense intuitively how what I needed to do to please them. So with him, there was nothing that I could do to get through to him. It was just completely mean and vicious. And one thing that he would do is I was forced to watch certain things to learn.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
about men's behavior, whether it was, you know, one, it was their weakness or their sexual preferences or their, their sexual perversions, perversions, their sexual perversion. So we're not talking about regular sexual, we're talking about sexual perversions to recognize those. And so I was watching, I was forced to watch the films and first I would,
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
see the man in the behavior, just his face, and then seeing it in the behavior. Different things. And then I would need to guess, based on a face, what this person would do. And if I got it wrong, one thing that he did is he would just strangle me until I fainted. And in the fainting... He would. Yeah, he would, yeah. And in the fainting, he liked to strangle. And in the fainting...
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I would realize after a while that in these near-death experiences that my intuition was sharpening. And so it was punishment for not giving the right answer, but it was also part of the training to be able to get more intuitive and sense things without having to use your reason. And one thing he did was he would...
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
No, no. This is a global elite network with specific people in it. And they're not all friends. So there can be infighting happening as well.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
strangle me and but first he would say what does this mean and he would point point at his own face and then he would strangle me and so his face to me means being strangled or it did That's how the programmation works. So when I actually came across his photo, I felt like I was dying. And it took a long time. And I do a lot of yoga and meditation.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And I had to really just go into the breathing and really, really just... work through that programation that seeing his face means you're going to die from strangulation. You're going to asphyxiate.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
That is how programation works in the network. that you know it and your body has a reaction. And also, it is a way to get you from A to whatever they need you to go. So if this prompt means that... And that was, in Heidelberg, he wasn't there all the time. Most of the time there were three handlers that were doing this.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
David Rockefeller also was a eugenicist.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
But I was in three of his estates, as I said, and I was around his staff.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I was in bed with him. And they acted like nothing was happening.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And the staff knew and was there. And they were just acting like that was all normal. I went shopping on Madison Avenue with him. He bought me some dresses and some clothes. And everybody, you can imagine, everybody's so happy to see him. So happy to serve him.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I don't think today people would think that was weird because there's such a great desire to please those people. But this is 1972. Nobody thought anything. I could have been taken anywhere out in the open. A lot of it was out in the open. And nobody would have thought a single thing. These people were just so happy to serve him. He told his staff that I was his niece from Paris. Who cares?
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Well, he didn't say it then, but they did see, but they acted like nothing was happening. I don't know if they were also controlled or if they were the right kind of personality. I don't know. But I saw a woman and a butler, a woman and a man, only those two, and that was in the house in New York.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Very nice.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Very.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Well, most of the time he was extremely, he had this excitement. So a pedophile gets excited around children. And so there's a way in which they can start to feel alive when they're with children. Because it's their own little child that maybe is dead inside of them that's starting to come to life. Because they relate to children in that way. They see...
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I've never said his name. I can't just flop these names out.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
They are trying to revive their own deadness, which is dead from abuse or whatever it is. They're trying to revive something. So they're seeing children at a certain age, usually the age that they were abused. And he was excited. And he was excited not only of being around me. And, of course, a child is also not somebody who's going to point out your flaws. Right?
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
A real partner will point your flaws to your flaws. And he had a slave who was already a child slave who was, you know, thinking the world of him. And that made him feel really good. So... He was excited. And he was also excited at the idea of what he was making me into. Because this persona that he was creating, that I was supposed to be a French singer, actress, and...
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
He was excited to be the secret man owner behind that persona. And I was sold during that year already when I was still supposedly in training to become that persona. I was already probably sold. I mean, I was given to a German chancellor at the time. And that was Kurt Kiesinger, who I was driven to Germany. So the Belgians were, the Belgian handlers would drive me to Germany.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Definitely, you would know the name.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I didn't think that this was going to be the kind of conversation we were going to have.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And then I would spend time with Kurt Kiesinger, you know, who would take me to like little hotels. And again, no questions asked. Yeah, him. Yeah.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Nobody introduced me. I was just taken there.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Child sex slave is not introduced. It doesn't happen that way. But the Belgian handlers would take me. They would drop me off on the side of the road. And then he would pick me up. And then I would get in the car with him. And then he would drive me, and then we would arrive. And again, I was trained, so I knew how not to draw attention to myself. But also, he taught me to speak German.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
He was very enamored, and he might have been paying.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
No, I didn't say that at all.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
This is different.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Yes, but you see, when you're talking about the network, which again, you have David Rockefeller, you have the Rothschilds, you have the Belgians who are connecting to that network. We're talking about a global... of people of a combination of psychopaths and far-gone pedophiles that are Satanists. And they sell their soul to Satan. And they... want control. They have the resources.
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All right, I'll tell you something. I was trained as a spy. That week, I was sleeping with men and then I would go report on their weaknesses or their sexual preferences. I'm not saying...
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A lot of the children that are born into these families are abused from the beginning and are mind controlled as well. They are also tortured. Because what they do, other than the sort of like normal kind of trafficking, is that you get in and either you are What I was in the beginning, like your life means nothing and you could be killed anytime. That was the first three years.
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But then once he took notice of me, which was in a very strange circumstance.
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He is David Rockefeller. Once he took notice of me and he was going to then use me for his purposes, then I would have been part of what I call the global network of where I would have been completely controlled as a star. That's where the mind control comes in.
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And then, you know, using my natural talents and abilities and blood to create a person that is completely in their control while they have been created the same way, you know, and all these people are crazy. That is, see, this is the, Everything goes into the PR of presenting an image that is really acceptable.
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And then everything goes into the PR of, you know, it's not as if David Rockefeller didn't have access to the press. So what these people who are part of this murderous network, they... use their resources to control their image. And that is, of course, that someone like me should never have too much reach. And what we don't understand is that it is one network.
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And of course, if they're friends, they're connected a lot through blackmail. Because the Satanists, there's what I call sincere Satanists who really sell their soul to Satan and they have rituals and there are sacrifices being made. And then there are those that just want to belong to the club of power. And, you know, and then it depends in the network in Belgium.
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Well, it depends if someone gets sucked in, you know, you have your integrity and you have your ideals and you start out. And then what happens, you know, if you get into that club, you will be asked to make choices and either it's power and you stay with the club or it's. It's your integrity means that you cannot do this anymore. You cannot lie in the beginning.
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It's to just like be quiet about what you see having to do with sexual abuse usually. And then as it goes on, it becomes, you know, you get involved. You get you have to you're participating. And of course, it's not everybody that is going to be manipulable as a pedophile because not everybody is going to rape a child. But those who don't, they know and they keep quiet about it.
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So that's how it works.
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I did see him again after that. I saw him again after the training and I saw him again, especially a year later in April, I saw him. 73 or 72? 72. 73 now, April of 73. I saw him in Italy. And that's where I saw the most people that I recognized later. There were actually a lot of singers there. There were a lot of people that were in the entertainment industry. And this was my coming out.
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I was singing. I performed several songs. So there was some Jacques Brel songs, because he's Belgian, like myself.
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Ne Me Quitte Pas.
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He died rather young, yeah, but he was alive then and it was a popular song.
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No, no. I never saw Jacques Brel, but I was singing the song and what I had been trained by a famous singer, French composer, singer. And he had showed me the choreography. Now, I didn't fully understand what was happening, but this choreography, I was sexualizing every line of that song. So you have the line, for example, I remember... Le Vieux Volcan.
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There's a line about the old volcano that nevertheless still spouts fire. And that, for that, I remember I had to go sit on an old man's lap and I had to look down on his genitals because that's the old volcano that spouts fire, that still spouts fire.
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That was, yeah, that was the audience, yeah. And this is an audience of people that were in the sphere of Rockefeller, obviously, but this is like a satanic gathering. I mean... These were people that were in this club and for whatever reason they wanted to be there, whether it was for fame or whatever.
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No, no, laughing. Everybody laughs at the sex jokes of the nine-year-old. Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Well, okay. I know you really want to hear names and I really don't like to focus so much on the names, but Eddie Arnold was an American perpetrator that was there. And Eddie Arnold was, yeah. So Eddie Arnold was somebody who really, really, really wanted to belong to the club, right? And I don't know how people got in there. Some of them are coming in through masonry.
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Some of them are coming in in other ways because they get famous and then they get lured in. But he just really wanted to belong.
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It's power.
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No, he abused me. I mean, yeah, yeah, he abused me. That week, so there was an entire week, and I was basically given to a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of men there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, lots of horrible, horrible things were happening. There were rituals happening. It was like the only thing I can compare it to is maybe like I think of a Dionysian orgy. Have you ever read the books of Mary Renaud? Mary Renaud? Okay. She has described once, and I don't even remember which book, but she described a Dionysian orgy, and it was like I was back there.
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It goes on for days and days.
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can you say you're not going to probably I know a lot of survivors of David Rockefeller but I don't think you're going to find any accusation online about David Rockefeller it's all about cover-up it was very very good all the investment all the money goes I mean not all the money but it goes a lot to the image
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Yeah.
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He was also there that week.
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Yeah, Pierre Trudeau.
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Scary. Scary.
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I didn't see his wife or I don't know. I didn't see anybody else but him.
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Yeah, again, you know, this came much, much later. I don't remember exactly when I realized it was him.
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No.
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That's who you're talking about. Yes.
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All right, I'll tell you something. David Rockefeller had me trained as a spy. So I was a sex slave, of course, and I was an elite sex slave now. And I was trained as a spy through the mind control training. And so that week I was sleeping with men and then I would go report on their weaknesses or their sexual preferences to David Rockefeller.
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for example, or if he knows what they want, then you can give it to them sexually. So about Trudeau, I said that I could never please him as long as I was alive. That's how scary that was.
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If I was, if I was alive.
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It means that he couldn't kill me because at that point I was not a throwaway child. And he scared me enough so that I then tell Rockefeller that that's what he wants, a child to kill. Then you understand that the next time He can. If he wants to use that, he can use it. He can use that information.
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Oh God, I don't even remember. I was very busy. And at that time, and I want to specify that when I was in Belgium, I always had a distance from the perpetrators and I always knew that they were wrong and that I was a human being and that even though they treated me like nothing, that I actually wasn't worth being treated that way. I knew that. When I was mind control trained,
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which is based on science, you know, it's horrendous science from, you know, probably related to some of the experiments that were done in the camps. And I know it's extremely, when I went into the mind control training, there was no guessing, there was no experimentation.
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It was just done very precisely to get the result that they wanted so that I'm a high functioning machine for their purposes and And I did not at that time have the distance to understand that I didn't want that anymore. I thought now at age nine, I believed that I was this persona and that I was doing this. I wouldn't have called it abuse. Does that make sense to you?
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Well, that's the network, you know, in the network this happens. And, you know, when you go to any gang, you have these little kids that get pulled in and it's either kill or die.
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And then, so they get pulled in that way and it's the same in the network, you know, with violence and pedophilia.
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Yes.
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No, celebrity. Celebrity that I told you no one would believe. No one would believe it.
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Yeah.
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Nobody would believe today, no. Such an icon. You know, this is it. We all have icons, right? We all have people that we look up to. And every icon that I had personally... People I never saw in the network because I was only there for five years. You have to understand that's a short time. I worked with people that were in much longer, that were born into it, that were in much longer.
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Every icon that I've had, almost every icon I have had to let go of. Because I found out from somebody that I'm working with, completely private healing work that we do together. I really wish that we could talk more about the healing because I feel like, oh, yeah, I feel like we're talking a lot about names. And I really, the healing is so important.
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That is, I think, the reason that I can speak is because I've healed so much and And I understand things that most people don't understand. And I like to speak about those things, like how that really works and everything in the mind, because I was being trained to become like them. And then I chose not to.
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I don't just go and tell stories, first of all. I mean, it's taken me most of my adult life to even be ready to speak. The Dutroux case happened in 1996. I was encouraged to speak up then, in 1998, when survivors of the same network in Belgium started to speak out. The Dutroux case took eight years to go to trial. And then they were left with Marc Dutroux, his wife, and two others.
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Michel Nihoul was one of the defendants. Michel Nihoul I saw in the network. He was there then too. I was not going to speak out. I was not ready. I was afraid. I was afraid to speak out. And also, I knew that I wasn't ready. It's not something you want to talk about, first of all. I am a really good writer.
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I really wish that I could have written stories that would be interesting and well-written and it would be appreciated and I would be appreciated as a writer. I don't want to be talking about this stuff. I've accepted it because it feels... The divine has wanted me here and with this and talking about it, and I am. But I'm not here for my ego. I get attacked a lot.
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I have to deal with a lot of stuff. I have to deal with a lot of miscomprehension, but also attacks. My book, supposed to come out in France more than a month ago, it's been blocked. This translation of my book, it's been blocked. The publisher has not been in contact with me at all. I know that he received at least one mail that was to discredit me. I mean, I probably received a lot more by now.
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But anyway, things happen all the time to stop me from speaking out. I'm not just telling stories. I've been so careful. to wait until I was ready to say anything at all. Because I knew that if I'm going to get attacked and I'm going to go under, or if I'm going to get the love from people, I'm not going to be able to handle it. I'm going to need it.
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And I can't need power when I'm going to speak about these things.
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No, no, this is a global elite network with specific people in it. And they're not all friends. So there can be infighting happening as well. But it is, you know... When I think of politics, it's like manipulated division. There's so much manipulation involved.
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And it's all manipulated to keep people fighting each other so that we'll not look at the imposed division that is really between the top and the bottom. And when you start looking at the top, when you really, this is happening now.
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Well, isn't Rockefeller the top? Isn't Rothschild the top? Isn't these people, aren't those people the ones at the top? So I'm taking all the risks speaking about it. I don't want to say anything. I actually don't even like to say the names because the truth is it's not out of loyalty. It's rather that what is right to say when, you know, yes.
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Saying names eventually is important because I was there. It's my story. I should be able to say who it was.
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What do you think about them? I think of people like that as potentially just like what I was going to be, you see.
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Yes, I was supposed to be a celebrity in France. So I was going to be singing and I was going to be... I was trained as the sexy, you know, the sexual animal. So that's what was being sold. So that's how these... Powerful men would then fall for me. And then I could maybe marry a president. You know, that's possible. Whatever it was, but it was really Rockefeller who was behind it.
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But the name, I never heard the name. I never met David.
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If I saw his face, I probably would have seen it because the thing is, I would have not done well if I had remembered him while I was alive because he got so deep. You understand? I was a child sex slave. I had not known any love. And this was the best I got at that time.
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My pleasure.
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And because of that, I would have maybe... There's a lot of parts in me that were very attached to him, that loved him very much. It's part of the reason also why I wouldn't want to necessarily say the name. It feels like...
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disloyal somewhere too believe it or not to who though to him to him because there's still parts inside of me that are also attached to him and um and of course i've learned a lot the more i heal you see you're talking like somebody who doesn't understand healing very well because the healing comes from You know, how is it possible?
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It's very possible that I had vague memories of an American and some positive connection to that. But then there was also the memory of how I had met him, which was horrific. And I grieved for that. And I, you know, in the 90s, I was crying over that situation. And I haven't necessarily... you know, healed completely.
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But at the moment, what it is, is that something begins to manifest and usually through the body because our trauma is stuck in the body. And then usually there's a period of sometimes it's just boom. When he died, it was immediate and I immediately got the memories and there was no question that
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But in the time that the memories come, and, you know, this is... Mind control is about dissociation, you know. You get traumatized. Why? Because it dissociates you. And then you don't know. You don't know what your other half is doing. So when we're talking about somebody who has an amazing front, when they're in their front persona, they don't know what they do in their shadow.
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That's in the shadow. So... The mind control is to create dissociation, to create parts that will go, alters, that will go and do things, specific things. And that, of course, that stays when you're an adult. You're dissociated. So you don't remember most of it or nothing. And it just comes back little by little. It's a very long and arduous process.
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And it requires tremendous courage to begin to open up to the possibility. Because the first thing that comes when I had the first flashback of this, I was like, no, no, no, no. First of all, I thought, if that's true, I'm going to kill myself, which was also programmed into me. But I struggled. So hard with, like, this is not true. This is not who I am. I have an idea of myself.
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Okay, it doesn't work very well, you know, this identification as me and this family. Okay, things aren't really adding up. And at the same time, I never want this to be true. It's impossible. And without the Dutroux case, I had no context either. But I was getting the flashbacks, one after the other. The therapist I was with didn't want to know it. She wasn't ready. She didn't want to hear it.
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She dismissed it. Some things I didn't even bring to her because I knew she wasn't going to be open to it. So first there was the Dutou case when I suddenly realized that all my flashbacks suddenly made sense. And then when things start to make sense, then suddenly a bunch of other things start to make sense as well. Like, for example, behaviors of mine or what I call cover memories.
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There are certain things that I know and I've always known them, but it And I may have put them in a certain context, but suddenly if this is true, if this is what I'm pulling out of the shadows here, if that is true, then that also makes sense. And so it becomes a personal investigation into these memories.
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In New York.
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Since 1985.
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I told you, I never heard the name Rockefeller.
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Yes, of course it's possible. I'm a child sex slave. Why would I hear the name Rockefeller? Who says it? Nobody told me. Nobody said it. He didn't say it. He was David to me. Now, I heard it. I heard the name Rockefeller as an adult. Of course, there's songs about the Rockefellers, but that didn't mean anything. That name didn't ring a bell to me.
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I didn't think that this was going to be the kind of conversation we were going to have.
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I feel like I'm combative almost.
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We had Dennis Astard, who was the Speaker of the House, who was actually jailed for pedophilia.
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I'm not saying that. Obviously, I'm speaking about it, and I've been speaking about it. My loyalty is obviously not with the abusers. It never was. It was in a very controlled situation. I was being prepared as a child to become part of them. I said no at age 10. Now, that is something that... Some children do, but most don't. Most don't have the strength to do that.
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So no, my loyalty is essentially not with Rockefeller and it's not with any of those people.
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People talk about your parents a certain way. Maybe at some point, no matter what the reality, maybe at some point you're going to feel some emotional strength there.
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My mother never gave me as much as he did, and that just happens to be the truth. He gave me reflections that I never received before.
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I forgave her before she died.
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I forgave her before she died. I called her to forgive her before she died.
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A year after.
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No, I did offer to come to see her when she was dying.
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I don't remember, but it's a long time ago.
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I was an adult. I was in touch with her as an adult. And as these memories were coming back and I was working on these things little by little, it became clear that she was still the same person. There's this idea of what my mother was, which is what I needed to live with as a child to believe, to survive. And then there's the reality.
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And when the reality became clear, she was acting just exactly the same as she would have. She never changed. And really, there was no reflection there that I would have needed to emotionally grow. It was all false. It was all a projection. It had nothing to do with who I am. I was like, she needed me to be bland, either good and bland and ugly. Or...
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A few minutes.
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evil and powerful and the david rockefeller saw even paul van der buinans saw things in me that my mother never did he recognized things that were actually intricate intricately mine so i for an emotional for my emotional growth i needed you ever seen the movie red sparrow
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Okay. Yes, essentially, my mother was... mentally ill i guess um never diagnosed and she was single at first and i was abused um very early on she was married when i was three and then um first this couple came um into our into our lives uh the the woman was the cleaning lady and uh She and her husband would take me on outings when I was five. That started. And so that went on for a whole year.
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No, I don't need to see those movies because there's a lot of movies and they take like little aspects of what happens in the network. Yeah.
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I take that for granted. What people don't know is that I work with survivors again and several survivors, younger survivors that I know were trained by him. Who?
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Excuse me. Yeah. No, Jeffrey Epstein. And they were trained by him, some from when they were babies. So just the story that's out there now is that, you know, the teens and everything. And then we talk about... Yeah, the abuse of teens, but really he was training children of all ages.
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Yeah.
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No.
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No, I was out in 1974. I was out.
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Yeah.
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Well, I want to talk a little bit about how I got out because normally you don't get out.
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Look, first, the week that I was telling you in Italy, it was in Italy nearby, Le Como, where I was sleeping with all these men and where these horrific things were happening.
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There were men and women, absolutely, but I was sleeping with the men. I was not trained to be with women. I was only trained as a sex slave for men. And... These horrible things were happening all week. And the end of the week, and this is April 30, is an important day for the Satanists. I'm not exactly sure why.
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But by the end of the week, I was going to have my big, I had already had the singing, you know, I'd already had the performance for everybody there and And then I was going to have the ritual that was how I was going to be part of them. Another I will, perhaps. You have to say, I will. You have to give your will to the network, to Satan. And so this was going to be my big entry.
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And I knew better. I didn't want to do it. I knew I didn't want to. I didn't want to pay that price. I didn't want to pay the price that it would take to be part of it. And so I did everything that I needed to do because I had been trained in a way that I knew not to say no. But after that, the next time I saw David Rockefeller, I rebelled. And then I was immediately, immediately...
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tortured was thrown in a cage in a dungeon and tortured for several days by him no he never touched he was always he would he watched he was there for some of it he was verbally telling me that I was absolutely worthless but Hans Harmsen came too Excuse me. No.
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And basically, I was retrained for several days to make sure that I would feel the lowest of the low and that I was absolutely worthless and... And anyway... He's telling you this. He told me that for sure, but also I was also tortured. And so he wasn't always there. He was there a few times, but he wasn't.
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I didn't like them. I never wanted to go. I had to. My mother had my brother then. And after a year, they took me. Well, they took me to an event. And it was immediately extreme. It was in a castle. It was horrific. It was horrific.
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And at the end of that couple of days, I was basically thrown back into the Belgian network. where I was used another year. And then my book actually speaks about the year after I've already been rejected from what I call the inner circle afterwards. And I ended up, there's this gangster that took an interest in me.
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And a year later, a year, you know, that became an extremely violent, vicious relationship. I'm 11, I'm 10. He's 20. And a year later, he rescued me. And I had a near-death experience. So you could say that I didn't survive. I had an extremely big near-death experience. I wasn't supposed to survive. But I had to come back. And it was a very beautiful experience also. Like,
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My book is called Quest for Love. I was in these pedophilic relationships and everything looking for love in the midst of hell. But what happened in that near-death experience was, and I was always, spirit was often present with me and there were Like when I talk about these things, yes, I was tortured for days, you know, and this is true.
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So when you look at that from the outside, it is just gruesome and there's nothing else there. But spiritually, I felt often that there was help. Sometimes no, sometimes yes. But there was help. There was support. Sometimes there was an insight that would come. Often I felt this benign presence. And when I had the near-death experience, it was a very glorious experience.
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And I felt, finally, this incredible love.
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Of course, I mean, that's everything. There is nothing with that.
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The one, my teacher who showed up in the near-death experience was Paramahansa Yogananda. Now, Paramahansa Yogananda started an autobiography of a yogi, yeah. If you want to show. There you go. That orange book. There you go. That's Paramahansa Yogananda. So, Paramahansa Yogananda wrote... One of the gurus of the path is Christ. And so... it is not separate from Christianity.
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The teachings are the original Christianity combined with the original yoga, which has nothing to do with the physical yoga, but the meditation. So you have the prayer, which is like speaking to God, and then the meditation, which I could call listening to God. And there's these specific meditation techniques that bring your energy back into your spine and brain that are meant to,
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help you to... What happened in the near-death experience is you transcend the physical, you leave the body, but because you are not the body, you are consciousness, pure consciousness. And then in that experience, I experienced the expansion of the heart where I just felt that divine love. And then had these... insights also then to help me know what to strive for when I was healing.
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and that is to go back, to return to the love of Christ. And that is why my message has so much to do with ending the division between people, between us, not judging other people, respecting everybody, getting along, but to look, because I feel that this division is created from this network very specifically.
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and um my mother my mother i tried to tell her that bad things had happened you know i didn't have the the language obviously it was just around my sixth birthday and um my mother then took over from these pimps she then started driving me to locations she would receive a call she would drive me i found out later that she was paid um And these were in Belgium.
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Of course, and the people in it. And that the vision is caused from that place of these people that want to maintain the control specifically so that we won't look at them and that we won't look at this. Do you think they still exist?
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What has happened to make it stop existing? Nothing.
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Everything I do is to help it. I work with other people that have been through it. So the fact that I have had my 30 plus years of healing behind me, I can really, you know, when someone has been through something like that, it is very common that you cannot believe it.
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So when someone who's been through it and has been through the healing, who knows exactly what it is and can bring context to what is coming up because it makes no sense, these things, when they come up, That is what I do. And I write. I think of myself as a writer. So I try to reach people. It is not about the sensation. It is not about the names.
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Of course, yes, they have to be held accountable eventually, all of them, absolutely. I do trust in spiritual justice, though. not necessarily justice on earth. Most of these people died in their bed. They were never held accountable in life. But to me, my role is first is speaking up. This is the revelation of this truth, which is a dark truth that I think we should know about.
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And the second part of my mission, I think, has to do with the healing part. I developed a psychological healing modality and it's for everyone. It is to look at power dynamics in the way that we all, you know, project power. Like I, if I look up to you, you know, then I'm going to come from a place of below. And that projection, it is used as an entry into our own unresolved stuff.
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Like if I put you up, then you are an authority figure to me. And that means that I'm coming from a child place and I'm putting you in the position of a parent. And beneath that upward projection, putting someone on a pedestal is fear. And so we go in that way to look at healing or whatever it is, unmet emotional needs or and vice versa.
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When we look down on someone, when we judge someone to first look at ourselves like, what is this in me? Why do I need to feel powerful in that moment? Why do I need to think less of that person? So it's not judging in terms of just saying what it is. Like, I don't mean, you know, a pedophile is a pedophile. That's not what I mean, judging, you know, that there's judgment there.
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That is just what it is, is discriminating or discerning. But I'm talking about an emotional charge, which is exactly what I feel the network is using to create that division, right? to keep judging each other and to keep thinking that it's other people like us.
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I'm getting emotional now.
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We're both immigrants though, right?
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So we're both immigrants. So of course the immigrant story is always... Most immigrants don't want to come here, or if they do, I mean, I love the United States, you know. I have had opportunities here that I studied here that I would have never been able to do that in Europe. So I love America. I love the spirit of America.
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For three years, I was just trafficked in Belgium. And the head of that, I call it the network in Belgium, was the Minister of National Defense at the time, Paul van den Boenans. And he used the children to get new people in and also to give them sometimes to really, you know, through blackmail.
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I think that this is the place where things can change, and this can change here. On the other hand, we have to be always so mindful. I would... You know, there's always two sides to the same story because what's on the liberal side is being co-opted is the empathy, is the willingness to be open-minded towards others.
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I feel that this is being co-opted just as the toughness on the right, you know, is also being co-opted. You know, I know on the right I've heard a lot of people being...
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um you know the save the children you know save the children a lot of feeling and a lot of sympathy for the children but i as an adult don't experience necessarily that same empathy you see um i'm the i'm the grown-up child from that experience and um i think you do
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Now, I understand that. Was your family connected to the Shah in Iran?
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But everything gets co-opted by those that want to brainwash the people.
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See, but that is how everybody gets co-opted. That is a thought, an idea gets co-opted, and then it gets pushed. What does that even mean, co-opted? It gets taken and used.
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Not as a feminist as me, I'll tell you, that from a mind control perspective. So I was trained to get into the mind of men. And what do you do to get into somebody? You use their fear. You find what it is that scares them. So you use fear, then you got them, and then you insert an idea into their heads. So when I speak about the division is that every issue, what you hear about it,
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is very specific and it creates more division because most people are not on that end of the spectrum or on that end of the spectrum as it's being presented to us. Most people are somewhere in the middle. And yes, I think there's a lot of confusion because of that mind control. And when I say co-opted is, for example, abortion was co-opted
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In the feminist movement, the issue of abortion was co-opted. Now, Hans Harmsen, that German doctor, he was the head of Pro Familia. So he was the head of the Planned Parenthood of Germany. He was friends with Margaret Sanger. And so there's something about abortion where... That has become the thing, the biggest issue. It is not.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Every woman would know that being a mother is, you know, why we are. Being a woman is being a mother and there's biological facets of that that make you more empathic in general and more able to open your heart because we're mothers. And that has to do with the biological fact. So to take abortion where... First, there's sexualization of everything. That was imposed.
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It might have been after also. He served twice, so yeah, I'm not sure.
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I was going to be part of that agenda of sexualizing everything to go towards pedophilia eventually. Because I was going to be a girl singing sexy songs. And then I was going to be a woman singing like a little girl. And so that is on purpose. So I was trained that way. And of course, there's a thought behind it.
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that people will think it's okay that a little girl sings like, you know, make sexual jokes and that an adult woman sings like a little girl. And everything that is being sexualized, the way that porn has become so incredibly accessible that most children today discover, you know, they're, discover sex through porn, none of that is, I believe, on purpose.
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That would be very much fit into that agenda that I was going to be a part of when I was a child by these people who really want to control everything. And so when you take abortion, that is a natural side effect of sexualizing everybody. So when you sexualize everybody and you And you make sex like having a drink, basically. That was the idea.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Instead of a marital commitment, it became this like having a drink and this is what it is today. It's considered that.
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Well, that's what I think is the people that were in this network, that there was... an agenda behind where we're going that has to do with this. Like the abortion would be a natural result of sexualizing everything and that then the girl has to pay the most and that abortion then would become a good option, which it never is. So you never hear about how hard it is for the woman to,
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You never hear about how, for example, there is no consent form. Like, there's no consent form signed. You don't know what happens to the fetus. You know, when you sign, when you go in to have an abortion.
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I am neither. I am neither. I refuse to take sides in all of this because I do not... I have had an abortion. I was a sex slave. I was promiscuous. I got pregnant. It would have ruined my life. And it would not have been an option to live out the pregnancy and to give up the baby for adoption. It would have not have... It was not on the table. So...
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No, I didn't know anybody at the moment. At that time, I didn't know who anybody was. I had no idea.
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It is such a difficult choice because you know there's life inside of you.
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But abortion is such a complex... Are you glad you're alive? You know, a lot of survivors of what I've been through would not really say yes to that.
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And today... By the grace of God, I am here, and I am glad to be alive. I feel that right now I have freedom that I never would have hoped to have, and I feel purpose to my life.
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And that's what I mean by co-opted. These issues arise. It's the same people that create the problem and that create the solution. That's what I mean with co-opting. And that is what I mean with the division that has to be so extreme. What we see, it's not as if social media is not controlled. So there too, we get constantly, constantly brainwashed. And that's what I say.
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We have to be very mindful of and careful that we don't start judging people.
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What kind of justice do you mean? Because they were in the network also, the people from... No, that's it. The people in the justice system were the head of... They're for sale.
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In my adult life.
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I told you the reason is because nobody would believe me and I'm not ready and it's not fair of you to ask me.
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Well, they were very easy to find. Most of them were very easy to find. I would just, you know, if I remembered a name and just started remembering people, thanks to Google, really just starting to Google and finding them very easily.
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I know. I've worked in the prisons.
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Well, no, don't say that. My perpetrators were from both sides. Absolutely. No, no, no. You cannot say predominantly.
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You don't know that.
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You don't know that either.
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I have a different perspective, and my perspective comes from having been part of having been in it as a child.
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I'm saying you don't know that.
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What does that mean to you?
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Well, I have been through a lot of things that I know that would have never happened to me if I was not a woman, not a girl or a woman. So...
PBD Podcast
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, no, not at all. That just means that I am absolutely for full equality. That doesn't even mean necessarily legally. It just means that I, as a woman, need to be able to speak freely and with everything that that means as a woman. Mm-hmm. That's what it means to me. It doesn't necessarily mean what you're making of it.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Well, because maybe you don't understand then as a man, but as a woman, there are certain things that I've had to go through. Like, for example, harassment. It was extremely common when I was a young adult to be harassed. I was harassed everywhere when I was living in Paris, when I was living in New York. It was just happening all the time.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Yeah, yeah. Looking for their positions, I would know whatever I had, I would type that in and then usually they would come up right away. That was the surprise. That was the big surprise, really, that I had no idea that they were this prominent when I was a child.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Yeah, for example, that's one of those things.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
That has nothing to do with feminism to me.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
But I want to do this. Do you have then also that... Is that everybody, or is that... No, I don't agree that's everybody.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
All my icons have been, you know, knocked off their pedestal just from speaking to people that have been through this.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I saw an interview, um, that you did and I thought it was much more peaceful.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Am I, uh,
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Mia.
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"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
There was a little bit of tension with her interpretation of the Bible.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
That she asked not to talk about, just like me.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
No, I didn't say that at all. He came to ask me if I wanted to.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Yes, he came to ask me if I was willing to name some names.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Yeah.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Well, him, I called him Polo.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I don't remember. I don't remember. But I don't remember saying that I wanted to name names. I would never say that because that's not really what I normally would do. And you brought it up today. I thought you meant today. You went and brought it up. But I must not have answered you. I definitely did not tell you. I'm going to name names that I've never named before.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Polo, but his name is Paul. But there's other children that named him something else. So I called him Polo. And then some people, I knew their first name. But yes, they're very visible. I found out from quite a few perpetrators when they die, because then they're in the newspaper and I suddenly see their picture.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
But you're saying I want to come on naming names. That's not exactly what I would have. Would you say that I wanted to come on naming names? That's not really how I would say it at all. I was asked. I was considering it. Maybe this came up or not, but early on, two months ago. I see.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Tony came to me right before coming in here and said, would you be willing to name some names of people that are alive? And I... Went through the list and I, you know, told him I'm not comfortable naming David Rockefeller. I didn't say who.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Yes, he is dead. The person who's alive, I'm not comfortable.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Okay.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
No, no, no, it's not for that reason at all. First I was considering, I did have an intuition that this is correct. This is definitely the biggest podcast I've ever been on, and you have a very large reach.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
um i was a little concerned uh just because of your political views frankly i was a little concerned um to come on because i do we didn't talk politics no you brought up feminism i didn't i didn't bring up trump i didn't ask you about i don't think it's i don't think it's a political no but what i'm trying to say to you is this is not i'm not having a political conversation with you i'm having a
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And it's not easy to speak about it. And it is also not easy to sort through what seem to be political views. You see, I believe that politics on the whole are there to cause division at this point. And I notice how the division has sharpened in the last years.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Well, actually, I've recognized quite a few when they died. And that's not only, I think, because I may have remembered certain things, but I may have not remembered who they were specifically to keep myself safe in some strange way. The healing that then followed, I just understood that it wouldn't have been safe otherwise.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Well, I would say that the people that I was used by, they wanted to control not just their slaves, but they wanted to control everybody. Who?
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
In the 70s, pedophilia was, for example, sold quite a bit. There was a lot that was very, you know... Like The Blue Lagoon, for example, that's a very inappropriate film, and there's a lot out there. In France, there was a lot. David Hamilton, he did Bilitis. Now the girls that were filmed by him are coming out saying that he raped them.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
You see, the 70s, they were really pushing pedophilia, and it feels like at the moment there's a... A new push, again, towards pedophilia.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Yeah, the media, but there's also social media.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Because the tech companies are also controlled, aren't they?
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
That's one person.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
You can find compilations of songs now where they're all singing about pedophilia.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Otis Redding.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
No, the song, She's Weary, She's Weary. And young girls, they do get weary wearing that same old shabby dress. And then the lyrics go, Young girl, you won't regret it. He says, you won't regret it. Yeah.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Try a little tenderness, yeah. You know she's waiting, just anticipating.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Young girls, young girls. It's young girls.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
She's just 17. Do you know what I mean? That's the Beatles.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
But we're still talking about grown men seeing about a 17-year-old. It's always the same story.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I wouldn't have been able to keep myself safe, if that makes sense, because the healing process is so involved and there are certain perpetrators I was very attached to emotionally. I know that may be very hard to understand and believe, but I was very attached emotionally to some of these which were like father's,
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
My biological father, I didn't meet until much later. I never met him.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And so he didn't recognize me. And then my stepfather was the man who closed his eyes to all my mother's activities, and they... My brother is his, and I think the reason my brother wasn't trafficked was maybe because he was clearly more interested in my brother. So he just really closed his eyes. But I did try to tell him, and I write that in my book, by the way.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I did try to tell him, and he didn't believe me when I was a child. So my mother would, he was away a lot. He was a cameraman. He was traveling a lot. But when he was there, she would literally get out of their bed And then I would be ready in my bed, and then she would let the car drive down, just let it without turning on the engine, just to be quiet.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And then at the bottom of the driveway, she would start the motor, and she would drive me to events, and then she would pick me up around dawn. That was how it usually worked. Um, and he was asleep in bed and, um, you know, I thought later, maybe he thought she was having affairs. She was doing that also, but he never wondered. And she made up stories also about what had happened to me.
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"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
For example, At one point she started saying that I was a real tomboy and that I was climbing in trees, which I never did and I was not a tomboy. But she was saying that because I was covered in bruises. And so that explained it and then he accepted whatever she said.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Well, I think my mother's a psychopath, that she really had one victim, that was me. So I was an extension that deserved all her wrath. So I have said I wasn't going to go, and she dragged me by my hair. One time. But most of the time, because I was her little helper, I was trying to please her more than anything. And then my mother was extremely sadistic.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
I said, I once said, I'm not going.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
She dragged me by my hair. She would get very anxious before we left. Of course I was going to go. I mean, you understand children and you have children. Children are going to do whatever. I was doing everything to please her. I was trying. She was the person I was most attached to. So I was trying to tell myself that she loved me because you have to know that you're loved as a child.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
And so I was trying to please her as much as possible. So most of the time I wasn't going to do anything against her. But there was another element is that With my mother, because she never saw me, she just saw whatever she saw was an extension, something that just had nothing to do with me.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Because she didn't see me at all, I was receiving more reflection of things that were true about me by these pedophiles in the network, frankly, that were seeing intelligence or they were seeing beauty. And so at times it was actually more comfortable for, It was better to be in the network than to be with my mother because that constant projection of hers was very difficult to live with.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
Yeah, so it was different in that way that my mother was not in the network herself, although she wanted to. She looked up to these people. She would have done anything to belong. But because I think her particular way that her mental illness showed, she was almost too enthusiastic. She would not have been able to keep the secret. So she didn't get in.
PBD Podcast
"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
But it was as if she was envious that I was there. It was as if she was sending me in her stead, that she would have wanted that kind of sexual attention. That's really what she wanted all the time, the sexual attention.