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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Aber als es umgekehrt ging, ging es international, wurde überall gespielt. Und dann haben sie im Endeffekt 1924 einen leeren Film gemacht. Und danach sah es so aus, als ob er wirklich auf alle die Bewältigung davon verabschiedet wäre, weil es sich um seine echten Spiele geändert hat. Und er war so, f***, das ist nicht mehr mein Ding.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und der tolle, tolle Bruder, David Barry, hat das auch bestätigt. Die Idee, den Copyright an Great Ormond Street zu geben. Dann hat er eine Nacht ein Banquet mit dem Prinzen von Wales. Er hat ein paar zu viele Glas von Port. Wie man es macht. Und er kriegt den Knall, den er braucht.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yes, except for there was one notable example that was kind of a nightmare, looking back.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Walt Disney, Berkins bester Freund, ging zu den 1924er-Silent Filmen, über die wir gesprochen haben. Und später, als er versucht hat, einen Film zu machen, kam er zum Krankenhaus und zahlte 5.000 Pfund für die Rechte. Wenn du siehst, wie viel Geld Peter Pan gemacht hat, hat er 87 Millionen Dollar im Boxhaus gemacht. Und dann denkst du an das Merchandising. Oh Mann, natürlich.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und wie viele verschiedene Iterationen es ist.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
And so like the value of Peter Pan to just make it for 5,000 pounds is just unbelievable. It's a hell of a deal for old Walt. Not only do they make just money hand over fist and continue to make money from it, but they Disney-ified it.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Ja, du würdest es so denken, weil er der berühmteste Mensch auf der Erde ist.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
David Barry actually corrected me when I said that he popularized it. That's where the name comes from.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
If Peter Pan was not created, nobody would be able to have a Baconator.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
The thing about all this is that while those things did seep into culture and a lot of this stuff is just kind of omnipresent now, the hospital itself really was way more focused on the play productions.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Er hat bereits den Nr.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
And you will never believe the celebrity that was rumored to play old Peter Pan.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Er hat mit Bad gefolgt und tourt gerade Bad um die Welt. Michael Jackson füttert. Ich bin froh, hier zu sein. Wie fühlt es sich an, heute die Royalty zu treffen?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Oh my God, where are we going?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
To never, never land.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Okay, so the development of this movie, which was essentially coming from Birkin himself, started in the early 80s when he found out that Francis Ford Coppola, while he was editing Apocalypse Now, he's in the jungle, he's watching Marlon Brando and he's like, you know what, let me escape through J.M. Barrie.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yeah.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yeah, let's go to Kensington Gardens. Who cares? And so he ends up reading it in Kontextburg and they start talking about developing it into a movie. And Coppola at that point is just hot shit. Coppola, after Apocalypse Now, obviously he had done the Godfather movies. Er hat die Oscars gewonnen, die Konversation, Patton, all diese Scheiße.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Er kommt rein und sagt, okay, meine Produktion, American Zoetrope, lass uns das potenziell machen. Und so geht Birkin nach Hollywood und trifft den alten Francis.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Der Artikel sagt...
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yes, and Birkin kind of dispelled any kind of notion that he might have actually been truly the favorite.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und er ist wie ein hübscher, arbeitgeberischer Vater, der in Neverland gehen muss, um herauszufinden, was im Leben wichtig ist.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Wenn wir den ersten Ausschnitt von Vanity Fair anschauen, gibt es ein Artikel von Vanity Fair, das eine Szene setzt, die ziemlich wild ist. Michael hat 150.000 Dollar zu einem Bank in Mali, zu einem Geheimdoktor namens Baba, der 42 Kühe in einer Zeremonie verurteilt hätte, um Michael Jacksons Feinde zu töten.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Also, wenn du Peter Pan nicht bist, was tust du? Du lebst wie Peter Pan.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Boom, wir haben den Prinzen Charles, jetzt den König Charles, der gerade herkommt und sofort glatt handelt.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Woah. Which I found out there are only two works that have that distinction from David Barry.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
He's like, hey, let me hand this money out. Let me just kind of do this as a wink, wink, nod, nod. So when this does pass, you're not going to bother me if I decide to wear a whole, like a Peter Pan costume all the time, or if I want to name my ranch Neverland.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
It's what corporations do or really rich people do when they donate to presidential campaigns. I'm going to give you this money now, but we kind of understand you're not going to get this money ever again if you don't help me out in the future. Right.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Ja, die ikonische Prinzessin Diana. Sie sieht aus wie das Epitome von Gnade.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Nun, ich habe mit dem Appeal-Koordinator in den letzten 80ern gesprochen.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Sein Name war Robert Pike. Und um es klar zu machen, der Appeal-Koordinator, Appeal bedeutet im Grunde Charity, Fundraising.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Er hat mir die Worte gesagt, die ich nicht hören wollte.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Well, there are two options that I've come up with. One, that he was just being magnanimous. He's a very philanthropic person. That checks out.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Ja, ich meine, es gibt nur die Chance, dass er proaktiv war, indem er dieses Geld bezahlt hat, nur damit die Litigation am Ende kommt. Richtig.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
I mean, this was by far the most interesting thing I got throughout all of my reporting. And that is that the hospital did not even consider it. And Robert Pike was nice enough to explain why.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
It's such a cultural blind spot that Americans are suey McSusersons and that we will just sue anybody.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
We are super into suing.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Ja, es ist wie, hey, unsere intellektuellen Rechte, wir werden sie stoppen lassen. Oder sie werden dafür bezahlen müssen.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Die Happy Gilmore Big Checks. Ein großer mit dem Bad-Logo von seinem Album und einem Pepsi-Logo. Es kostet 450.000 Dollar.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Ja, ich würde sagen, dass in Amerika zumindest, gibt es ein Verständnis, dass Neverland negative Konsequenzen hat.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Aber was ich herausgefunden habe, ist, dass das nicht der Fall ist.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
This is why we had to fight for our revolution, because we just don't see it the same way. No.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yes. Yes.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Peter Pan and Neverland are just still innocent and just living a terrific life and everybody thinks of J.M. Barrie when they hear Neverland as opposed to here when we think of some of the grossest allegations of all time.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Torts, baby, torts. That's where we're at. That's where the money's at. Please don't sue us.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Which would be the Prince's Trust, which supports a building that houses and controls Michael Jackson's favorite thing in the entire world. Which is? Peter Pan.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Absolut.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Hast du die Geschichte gehört, über den Turm, der Spider-Man im Film hatte? Und ich... So in this case, there was a boy who died who was four years old from a rare genetic condition.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Disney, trotz dessen, dass sie es beantragten, es zu benutzen, verabschiedete sie sich von der Innocence und der Magie ihrer Charaktere.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und es wäre 100% Neverland Ranch. Ja. Und warum haben sie es nie besucht?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
It was one of the most publicized celebrity pet hobbies, interests slash obsessions that was out there. And this was pre-Neverland. He's doing interviews and starts singing songs from Peter Pan halfway through.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yes, quite challenging, for sure.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und außerdem, wo gehst du hin, um Peter Pan zu werden?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Inez Valley. Yes. It used to be called Sycamore Valley Ranch. And he recorded the music video for Say, Say, Say with Paul McCartney there earlier in the decade. And he just fell in love with it. And he wanted to purchase it and create his own little theme park.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yes. And Captain Hook, a.k.a. Joe Jackson.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yes, and it feels like one of those things that would obviously need to be a deal or some kind of contract. Well, Michael Jackson's estate, let's just also catch people up on this, famously litigious. In a myriad of different ways.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
It's just the culture that we live in. You have to keep it close to the vest and not allow anybody to use your intellectual property in any way.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Well, you have to go through a significant rabbit hole to find it. And yeah, it has two of the biggest icons of the 20th century.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Charles Dickens war ein großer Fundraiser dafür, was es in die Perspektive bringt.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Nein, überhaupt nicht. Ein weiterer sehr, sehr berühmter britischer Autor namens J.M. Barrie, der Autor des Spiels Peter Pan war, Peter Pan oder der Junge, der nicht wachsen würde. Und ich dachte, das war ein Disney-Film die ganze Zeit. Ich denke, die meisten Leute machen das. Ich habe es sicher gemacht. My father actually did know. I spoke to David Berry, the great, great nephew of J.M. Berry.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
J.M.B., as we call him. He had this amazing flat overlooking the River Thames. So the play premieres in December 1904 and it truly is like nothing anybody's ever seen before. There's a moment in the play where...
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
From there, it just went all around the world.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Oh yeah, it just kept ascending. Like he met with Charlie Chaplin. I spent probably about four months going through all Barry's notebooks. It's like, you know, 50,000 notes and his handwriting is almost impossible to read, but you gradually get used to it. Und er hat auch einen Doku-Drama in den 70ern genannt, der The Lost Boys, und das war alles um J.M. Barrie.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Birkin hat sehr deutlich erklärt, wie viel er über die Finanzen geben konnte.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yeah, he's a f***ing nightmare for payroll accountants.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
We are seeing Michael Jackson dressed in his most Michael Jackson-esque leather everywhere. Military-style regalia.