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Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present

How Low Can You Go

30 May 2025

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If you’ve ever wondered how perceived powerful women like Cassie, Capricorn, and “Mia” could fall victim to the abuse they’ve bravely testified about—Aubrey understands. She’s lived her own versions of it. In this raw and revealing episode, Aubrey opens up about her own harrowing experience when love crossed the line into control and cruelty. Through her personal experiences exposed, with the help of trauma therapist Dr. Goldsher, they will unpack the thin, often invisible line between desire, danger, sex and shame. This isn’t just a story about survival – it’s a reckoning with the silence that keeps too many victims in the dark.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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0.129 - 1.53 Aubrey O'Day

This is an iHeart Podcast.

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5.833 - 9.475 Dr. Hilary Goldsher

Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O'Day covering the Diddy Trial.

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10.39 - 36.691 Aubrey O'Day

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Amy and TJ Presents. Me, Aubrey O'Day, covering the Diddy Trial. And as always, our coverage of the Diddy Trial continues. So I just want to let everyone know that I'm flying solo today and that TJ and Amy are on a much-needed vacation. And I can't wait to announce my guest today, who I'm so excited to speak to. Her name is Dr. Hilary Goldsherr.

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37.412 - 58.938 Aubrey O'Day

And she is a clinical psychologist and expert in trauma recovery and emotional healing. She has over 10 years of experience in psychotherapy services. She specializes in the treatment of couples, relationships, depression, anxiety, trauma, grief, and eating disorders. Hillary, girl, I think I have experienced almost all of these. So I am so happy to talk to you.

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58.958 - 62.339 Dr. Hilary Goldsher

I got you. I got you. Thank you so much for having me.

62.947 - 91.783 Aubrey O'Day

Thank you for being here. So I specifically felt very passionate about discussing last week's testimony, in particular, the forensic psychologist, Dawn Hughes. Let me first establish Dawn Hughes testified for the prosecution. She testified to trauma bonding, delayed reporting, substance use as a coping mechanism. The internet is buzzing on this conversation. I think it's so important to...

92.743 - 98.425 Aubrey O'Day

establish with you out the gate why women stay with their abusers as it pertains to the Diddy trial.

99.485 - 129.245 Dr. Hilary Goldsher

Yeah, this is a question that's sort of floating around the culture right now. And while I'm disturbed and devastated about the alleged crimes against the myriad of women involved, I'm sort of the sort of silver lining is that we get to talk about this. The question you just asked is complex. And a lot of people, unfortunately, are having an opportunity to think through this very nuanced paradigm.

129.905 - 155.104 Dr. Hilary Goldsher

Because if you haven't been through it, or you don't know someone who's been through it, it's a fair enough question or a fair enough set of complex factors that get one who is curious and trying to understand this complex situation to ask why they don't get it. Why would someone stay when things are bad and scary? Yes. that can lead to blaming the victim or minimizing their trauma.

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