i've been living in los angeles for 6 years now, and i finally love it here. but my dad and i recently went on a road trip and it really made me contemplate my future. i'm ruminating on the various pros and cons of living in big cities vs small towns. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: Why is the host's voice raspy?
Hey, do me a favor and excuse my raspy voice today. I know it's sexy. I know it's mysterious. I know it's distracting. But I went to the Sabrina Carpenter concert last night. I sang my heart out and now my vocal cords are fatigued. I hope you can understand. I mean, to go to the Sabrina Carpenter concert and sing your heart out is to be human. That's all I have to say.
If you go to the Sabrina Carpenter concert and you don't sing your heart out, you might be an alien. You might be a reptile. I don't know. Go get it tested. There's something wrong. Go get that checked out. If you wanted a test to see if I was human, my voice is raspy the day after the Sabrina Carpenter concert because I sang. Because that is what humans do.
Anywho, so my voice is raspy, and it's kind of fun because I haven't lost my voice in a while. I've been a bit more chill in my lifestyle recently. I tend to lose my voice more when I'm more of a party girl going out more, and I just haven't been recently. So my voice has been really solid. My vocal cords have been really solid. But Sabrina Carpenter, demolish them. Please, please, please.
demolish them. And now my voice is raspy. But anyway, let's make a really big pivot here. Okay. I'm about to, I don't know how to transition to the next part of my conversation. So we're just going to do a really strong pivot.
Like I'm going to snap my fingers and you're just going to pretend that all the stuff I said before, like you're just going to pretend I didn't even say that because we need to switch subjects in a very big way. Okay. Snapped my fingers. Here's the deal. I've been living in Los Angeles for six years now. And I finally now love it. Six years later. I've probably loved Los Angeles for the past year.
So let's say for the first five years, my relationship with Los Angeles had many ups and downs. You know, when I first moved to Los Angeles, I loved it because it was new and exciting and I was making new friends. The city itself was this symbol of freedom and independence and also a huge milestone in my career. So it was very exciting and positive. But very quickly, things got complicated.
And my relationship to the city of Los Angeles changed a little bit. I started to see the negative sides of the city. Now, I think some of that was accurate because as with all cities, as with all things, there's negatives. But I think a big part of my perception of Los Angeles was skewed by the industry that I'm in that is based here in Los Angeles.
And I started to see the negative sides of this industry, which also sort of skewed the way that I perceived the city. And so for many years, I struggled with that. But I was here because for career purposes, it seemed like unthinkable to leave. And, you know, a lot of people around me at that time also didn't love Los Angeles.
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Chapter 2: What changed in the host's relationship with Los Angeles?
And we were all very immature, in my opinion, and wanted to be punks and wanted to hate everything. And You know, it's part of being a teenager, young adult, like, rebelling against shit and hating stuff and wanting to be different. And all of that led to me hating Los Angeles. And I think the people around me. And then...
I grew up, I surrounded myself with different people and I started to see the light in Los Angeles. I built a really great group of friends. I started to figure out where I liked hanging out in this massive city, where there's like-minded people, where there's things that I like to do. Yeah, I just grew to actually really love this city. I grew out of my negative punk lens of hating everything.
And the older you get, the easier it is to see the bigger picture. Yeah, I just decided to see this city from a positive lens. And now I really love Los Angeles. There are still things that I don't like about it. Don't get me wrong. It is challenging to live here in a lot of ways. But I'm choosing to love it. And that's amazing. And then... Like, finally, I love this city. God damn it.
And then a few things happened that made me kind of start fantasizing about leaving one day. Now, fantasizing about leaving Los Angeles is very different from actively living in Los Angeles and being like, this place fucking sucks. This place sucks. You know, like those are two different things. I would say it's not like now I hate Los Angeles again because of a few things that happened recently.
It's more like now I'm starting to think about life after Los Angeles. And it is making it a bit challenging to live here sometimes because I'm starting to fantasize about life after it. But yeah, I don't hate this city. But I'm thinking about leaving one day and what that might look like. You know, I've been watching videos of people who live in small towns and
not even necessarily small towns, but normal sized towns, maybe even on farms, living in a van. Like there's a lot of influencers online these days who post content about living in a very different way than the stereotypical influencer lives. Like most influencers, you know, live in LA or New York. They're doing the big city thing. They're, you know, whatever. I mean, I did it, right?
But I'm starting to watch these people living in small towns or even normal-sized towns or farms or in a van, and I'm like, huh, that kind of looks awesome too. And in addition to that, I think what really sent... this thought pattern into orbit was recently going on a road trip with my dad that made me realize how much awesomeness there is in America. I've lived in California my whole life.
I've never lived further than 30 minutes from a big city. I grew up outside of San Francisco. And like the area that I grew up in was very suburban and it was not necessarily a bustling city. I didn't grow up in San Francisco. You know, I grew up outside of San Francisco in a very different environment. It did not feel like a city at all.
But I was always close to things that resembled a city or an actual city. So I don't know. I think my perception of the rest of America and like what everything looks like, I was like, what's out there? It was just the unknown for me. But my dad and I went on a road trip. We hung out in Idaho. We hung out in Wyoming. We hung out all over Colorado. It was fucking awesome.
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Chapter 3: What are the pros and cons of living in big cities?
I mean, we're like sponges when we're young, right? We're listening to our elders, our peers, the media, society, culture, like everything seeps into us. One of those beliefs that I've recently been thinking about a lot is to find ultimate success in life, you must move to the big city. The peak of success can only be reached in the big city.
How many times have we heard the story of the small town kid moving to the big city to become a star? We're shown this narrative over and over and over again, our entire childhood and our entire life. This is a story that we're all accustomed to. You know, like this is, it's almost like a fact in our minds. If you want to go and be a star, you need to move to the big city.
Is it true that to be a big star, in a lot of cases, you do need to move to the big city? Yes, that is true. And so I'm not shitting on that fact. Although I do believe that there are ways to be a big star, depending on what that means to you, anywhere in the world. There's a way. Within the age of the internet, there's absolutely a way.
What bothers me is less the fact that the big city can help you be a star, and in a lot of scenarios is necessary for that, depending on the industry you want to get into, how you want to be a star, etc. What bothers me is this sort of belief that if you don't dream of life in the big city, then your dream isn't big enough. It's not celebrated to dream of building a strong career in a small town.
Have they ever made movies about that? Do your family members celebrate that at Thanksgiving? No, they celebrate the cousin that's moving to the big city. There's more high-paying jobs, more diverse job options. There's a lot of opportunity in the big city because there's a fuck ton of people and a fuck ton of stuff that needs to be done.
It's definitely the most ideal location for certain career niches, like the flashy ones, especially. I mean, listen, if you want to go and start an Apple farm, you should not move to the big city, obviously. But for a lot of flashy niche careers, like going into tech, going into acting, going into writing screenplays, social media management, like all these sort of niche career paths,
For the most part, those are in the big cities. Lots of opportunity for networking, but also more people for making friends and finding people to go on dates with. More people in general means higher social success rate. The more options, the merrier, which some would argue makes it harder because it's so busy.
There are so many people that it's hard to make any sort of meaningful connection because everybody's moving at a quicker pace. But some would argue it makes it easier. I actually think it makes it easier, personally. You know, I'm meeting new people all the time. There's so many people in Los Angeles. I'm meeting new people constantly. Also, in a big city, there's access to literally everything.
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Chapter 4: What inspired the host to contemplate life after Los Angeles?
Every single type of doctor you could imagine who are specialized in different things, all going to be in the big city. shopping, any kind of store you want to go to, anything you want to buy, it's here. You know, a new product gets launched. It's probably getting launched in the big city. Like you have access to everything. You have the most access out of anyone in the entire world. Like, okay.
Like I had to buy a weird, I'm giving an example briefly. I was working on a project with someone. We were doing a project with a costume and we needed to buy something that was like prosthetic, you know, like for movies, how there's like prosthetic ears and nose and teeth and stuff. So we needed to buy prosthetics, which is like a very niche, random thing to buy.
And we needed to buy them that day. Okay. And I knew exactly where to go in Los Angeles. There's a prosthetic store, a costume store in Hollywood. I knew exactly where it was. I knew they'd have exactly what we needed. If I lived in fucking rural, I don't know how to say the word rural. Rural fucking, I don't know, Ohio, okay? And I needed to buy prosthetics last minute.
Yeah, that's not going to happen. Also, because there's so many different types of people, I think big cities tend to be more welcoming to differences because people are immune to people. Nobody knows anyone. Everybody's a stranger in a big city and nobody's phased by anyone.
You can be you the most comfortably in a city, I would say, because cities attract a bunch of creative people, a bunch of eccentric people, and those people are able to fully express themselves because they don't stand out in a city. There's so many different types of people that all look so different and dress so different. And like, it's just, it doesn't even matter.
Everyone's numb to it in a really beautiful, spectacular way. Growing up, even in a medium city right outside of San Francisco, I felt nervous when I wanted to express myself with fashion. You know, I was like, oh, and I wasn't even wearing anything avant-garde. Okay. Okay. I was just wearing stuff that wasn't trendy in the mainstream, wasn't trendy in my town, and I would get really nervous.
There was a very distinct aesthetic in my town, and I was scared to go against it. And that's not even in a small town. That's in a medium-sized city. The city is a great place to express yourself. You can be free. Last but not least, this is kind of surface level, but living in a big city provides a level of social status. For better or for worse, being like, oh yeah, I live in New York.
Oh yeah, I live in LA. There's like a weird status that that gives you. Like, oh, they're doing something. They're on a mission. They have goals. They have dreams. It's ridiculous, honestly. But it kind of does do that. And it's interesting. So listen, there's a lot of truth to the value of living in a big city. And I will never take that away from the big city.
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Chapter 5: How does the host define big cities versus small towns?
But I also think that living in the big city is not necessarily all sunshine and rainbows, in my opinion. There are a lot of challenges that come with living in the big city that don't make it, for me anyway, an obvious answer. For starters, it's expensive to live in a big city.
It's sort of this thing of like, there's a potential to make a lot more money in a big city, but the cost to live in a big city is a lot more. You're not getting a bang for your buck in the city. Okay, that's for sure. There's more pressure. This pressure to keep up with the pace of the city. There's a pressure to succeed in
Everybody, for the most part, living in a big city has some sort of dream. There's like an energy in cities of like, oh, we're all just, we're trying to make our dreams come true, you know, and continue to make them come true. Like there's a lot of people in big cities who have made their dreams come true. And then, you know, now they're trying to maintain it.
There's a lot of competition for attention, to get a reservation at a restaurant, you to talk to the hot guy at the wine bar, get in line for the best bagel in Los Angeles. There's competition everywhere. Like living in a city, you're competing for everything. You're competing for space. You're competing for time. You're competing for attention. You're competing constantly.
And that gets exhausting. Speaking of exhausting, the pace of a city is so fast and intense. Everybody's on the move. Everybody's got somewhere to be. Everybody's working every day. Everybody's fucking grinding. It's grind set. There's a lot of noise. Like you can hear the fast pace. You go outside and it's not quiet. Actually, it's pretty quiet where I live. I'm very lucky.
I live in a very quiet little corner of Los Angeles. But... It's fast and it's loud, you know? And that's fatiguing. It's overstimulating. You never get to feel at peace, I feel like, in a city. You never get to feel peace. It is not until you leave that you feel peace.
And that's part of why the city is fun and inspiring because it is so fast-paced and it is so overstimulating, but also that does get fatiguing. Parking, transportation, doing things safely, a lot of things are harder. Also, I think big cities tend to attract fascinating ideologies, some very positive, some very negative. you know?
Like, I think there's this beauty in the open-mindedness of a big city. So many different beliefs and opinions and religions and everybody's so different in a big city that it defaults to being a safe space for so many different ideologies, moral compasses, you know, sets of values, like it's wide open, you know?
And that's really great in some ways because there's a lot to learn from each other in that way, as long as we're all handling it maturely and rationally, right? Like there's so much to gain from that. But that also means that there's going to be some bad apples in there as well.
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Chapter 6: What are the benefits of living in a big city?
And I just fucking hate that. Like, it bothers me. I wish that there was less of a pressure on young people to dream stereotypically big. Dreaming big does not look any particular way. I think dreaming big means dreaming of a life that's going to be fulfilling and beautiful and as catered to you as a person as possible. That's what dreaming big is.
And it takes a long time to get there for everyone. Like I'm still dreaming big. I'm dreaming big now in a different way where I'm like, I don't even, I thought I wanted one type of lifestyle. Now I'm here and I'm like, you know, I would make some changes to this. A lot of my dream was co-built by culture, you know, and what people believe is the big dream.
And now I'm like rewriting my big dream because I'm realizing that not all of my dream was mine. There's this pressure to take the flashiest next step, not the next best step for you. Like in high school, there's this pressure to go to a flashy college. And the kids that choose to go to community college or go to trade school, there's like a weird stigma around that. I think that's so fucked up.
It makes me so sad. The only thing that should be sort of not celebrated is if somebody's like giving up completely, which if somebody's giving up completely, that means that there's something wrong with them emotionally and they need support and love and help. And so it requires that type of attention.
But any next step that is productive and catered to somebody's interests or what they think they're going to be good at or what type of job is going to let them have time to have hobbies on the side or what type of job is going to take up all their time but it's something they're passionate about or whatever it is, like whatever fucking choice is made, working on the family business, who cares?
Making any sort of next step should be celebrated. And that sort of leads me to what I think the pros and cons are of living in a smaller town. You know, when I think of a small town, I immediately think of, honestly, how delightful it would be, really. And I mean, visiting some smaller towns recently, I was like, I see the appeal here. There's a lot of beauty in this lifestyle.
Less pressure, less stimulation. It's a healthier pace. It's a more human pace. The pace of the city is too fast. I think it's safer a lot of times. Not always, of course. You know, it's complicated to make a blanket statement like that. But I think a lot of times... You know, smaller towns are just safer. There's a lot of danger in a big city from busy traffic to just more crime in general.
I feel unsafe walking around in Los Angeles. Sometimes I get really scared. Same thing in New York. I'm definitely in a phase of my life where I'm thinking about, OK, what type of environment do I want to raise my children in? I cannot imagine raising my children in a big city.
It terrifies me mainly because of, I mean, obviously the safety element that I just mentioned, but also the morality of the city, you know, like Los Angeles is very flashy and kind of surface level from, from an, if we were to look at the average morals and values of the people here. Now, if you were to Take it down to a granular level, there are many people here with incredible morals, values.
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Chapter 7: What challenges come with living in a big city?
And definitely less job opportunities, depending on what type of job you have. You know, it depends. It can be totally fine if you work remotely or if... you know, you're self-employed or whatever, or you run your own business or whatever, like, okay, maybe it could be totally fine and not impact things at all, but it also could be really challenging to find the right job for you.
So, I mean, I don't know. And even for me, like it might impact my job to an extent, you know, I might have to get creative and work harder in some areas to make up for the fact that I'm not in the epicenter, you know, I'm somebody who is sort of pondering the pros and the cons of all of these options, which in itself is sort of a luxury.
Having the choice to move to a small town or even fantasize about a small town is very different than feeling stuck there. Many people look at a city slicker like me who's contemplating moving to a smaller town at some point and they scoff because they think I'm romanticizing the reality because there are many challenges that come with living in a smaller town.
And there are many people who feel stuck in that environment and would do anything to switch places with me. And so it seems sort of out of touch in a lot of ways. And I can understand that. That's why I'm being honest about it. Like I'm aware of the pros and cons And I'm also aware that I might be romanticizing it. I'm not leaving Los Angeles anytime soon.
But I will say that it's definitely on my mind that when I get a little bit older and maybe become a mommy, which is really sickening to think about, to be honest. It's exciting in a lot of ways, but it's also like... I feel still so young, you know, that like the thought of having children, I just really it's it is really crazy thought. It is a crazy thought.
But I am definitely heavily contemplating moving out of L.A. and potentially moving to a smaller town. I think it'd be healthy for me. I think it would be good for my future children and. And I may never, you know, move back to a big city again. You know, like I did it. I'm happy I did. I have no regrets. I would never tell anybody not to do it because it might be exactly what you need.
But I also would never say like, if you want to make it, you got to go to the big city. I would never say that. Dreaming big does not mean where you live, where you end up. I think the moral of the story is it's really hard not to make decisions based on what is considered the most impressive. And we don't think about quality of life.
And we don't think about what we actually like doing, what aligns with our morals and our values. We don't think about any of that. Majority of kids, I would say, don't. And there's a lot of kids that I think maybe feel bad about themselves for not having a stereotypical big dream. And that is something that I just think is a really big shame.
Anyway, when I fall asleep at night, recently I've been thinking about living in a smaller town and living a slower paced lifestyle. The irony of it is, I think there's probably many people who live in a small town who dream of what I'm doing. The grass is always fucking greener. I think the best thing you can do is make decisions based truly on what will make your life as fulfilling as possible.
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