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Private Equity Outlook Mid-2025: Cautious Optimism, Credit Concerns, and Tax Talk with Rick Kes of RSM 5-20-25

20 May 2025

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In this episode, Rick Kes, Partner at RSM, joins Scott Becker to share the latest insights on private equity deal flow, credit market uncertainty, and what proposed tax reforms could mean for investors.

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0.109 - 21.593 Scott Becker

This is Scott Becker with the Becker Private Equity and Business Podcast. We're thrilled today to be joined by Rick Kess. Rick is a partner at RSM. RSM is the preeminent sort of mid-market private equity consulting accounting leadership firm. Just a fantastic job they've done in building the practice over a long period of time. Rick joins us regularly to talk to us about trends.

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21.633 - 30.545 Scott Becker

He's watching the private equity business. Rick, let's get to it. What is going on in the private equity business today? Are deals starting to happen again? What are you seeing?

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31.465 - 49.194 Rick Kes

Yeah, I mean, Scott, I think, you know, kind of unfortunately, much of the same as we've been talking about for the last couple of months. You know, I think there's a lot of interest and opportunity out there. But with all that interest and opportunity, there's also, you know, a fair amount of uncertainty there.

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50.134 - 78.586 Rick Kes

in different sectors especially you know obviously i cover health care the closest you know there's some uncertainty there uh with some of the budget reforms that are being discussed so you know i think you know there's a lot of interest a lot of opportunity a lot of you know a lot of excitement um you know a lot of dry powder but you know a lot of things that are kind of holding people back in terms of moving forward but you know i'm i'm hoping that you know as the temperatures continue to rise that

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79.706 - 90.455 Rick Kes

Some of that uncertainty sort of, quote unquote, melts away and, you know, that we start to move forward with some deal activity here in the next, you know, two to four months or so.

90.475 - 116.79 Scott Becker

Let me ask you a question. On Friday, Moody's reported that they downgraded the U.S. 's credit a little bit, you know, not to the 600s or the 500s like a personal opinion. debt score or credit score, but from AAA to AA1, what impact will that have on interest rates and the interest rate environment in the long run? Or is it not really relevant for the private equity environment?

117.752 - 120.295 Scott Becker

Or will that have an impact on interest rates and what we see?

121.616 - 151.583 Rick Kes

Yeah, it's hard to say, but I think one of the last episodes, you and I talked a little bit about the credit market and access to credit and even well-capitalized, highly-rated organizations were having some concerns accessing the debt market. I think this probably just adds some more, again, for the lack of other words, the proverbial uncertainty as it relates to access to credit.

152.264 - 167.659 Rick Kes

And I think credit is such an important vehicle for private equity to use to leverage where they're going to do a buyout or what have you. But on the other end, a lot of deals are being executed today using credit

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