Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
The Ongoing Shift to Outpatient Care: Key Trends and Investor Insights with Amber Walsh of McGuireWoods LLP 5-8-25
Thu, 08 May 2025
In this episode, Amber Walsh, Partner at McGuireWoods, joins Scott Becker to discuss the evolving move from inpatient to outpatient care. She explores its impact on real estate, private equity strategy, and the importance of understanding reimbursement trends at a granular level.
Chapter 1: What is driving the shift from inpatient to outpatient care?
Hi, Scott. Thanks for having me on. Today, I am really thinking about, and in particular, because I've read a couple of articles and working on a couple of deals that have me thinking again about the shift to outpatient care from inpatient care. And as you and I both know, this has been a trend that has gone on for decades. There is nothing new with the move to outpatient.
other than I am constantly amazed that there are new factors driving the move to outpatient, and there's more and new kind of repercussions and impacts of that move to the outpatient setting. And it really plays into a lot of investors' decision-making and
So while there's nothing new about that shift, it almost feels like a permanent reality that's been going on for decades that has become relatively reliable. There's just these other interesting angles to it that I'm really interested in thinking about today.
No, thank you. And talk about some of those other areas, like the impact on health. buildings and outpatient centers and what it means for real estate technology and spreading around of services with anesthesia where there's shortages. Talk about some of the other impacts that there are.
Chapter 2: How does the outpatient trend affect real estate and medical office buildings?
Yeah, so I'll start with the building. It's really interesting. I mean, we're sitting here in the from traditional commercial real estate space for the past several years, obviously triggered a lot by COVID. And yet at the same time, while that's the macro trend across commercial real estate, you see the proliferation of medical office buildings and that construction growth continuing to go up.
And seeing it more, JLL reports on this, obviously one of the big brokers, reports on this frequently, and you're now even seeing off-campus medical office buildings taking over on on-campus medical office building development.
And in large part, it's this response to the increased opportunity for outpatient therapies, the move for so many things, not just traditional ASCs or elective surgery, but we're talking about drug administration in the form of infusion centers. We're talking about mental health, outpatient programs, all sorts of things.
And one of the interesting angles of that, and I'm dealing with this right now in a deal I'm working on, is a health system that is so confident that they're going to be able to fill up this massive MOB that they're building. They don't have the tenants selected yet. They don't know exactly what's going to go in there, but they're so confident
there's enough community need on an outpatient basis that they're going ahead and making that MOB investment, which I find really fascinating. It's just one of those aspects that this trend continues to push and impact other industries.
Yes. No. Fascinating. And what does that mean for the big box hospital buildings? Those are still very needed still, too. And what does it mean for growth outside the hospital where people seem to be, again, a little bit more careful again about building new things unless they seem to be some of the wealthiest systems? What do you see there?
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Chapter 3: What impacts do outpatient services have on hospital infrastructure?
Yeah, you do have hospitals repurposing spaces to taking inpatient space and repurposing it to the extent that you can. And there are some states that the flexibility that they gave on hospital licensure and space use that they gave granted during COVID, some states, when they returned to normal in a post-COVID world, kept a little bit more flexibility for that.
And it's actually allowed hospitals to repurpose some of their space for outpatient use. And that helps. And it's not perfect. And that's not the case everywhere in all states, but where it's an opportunity, it allows the hospital to keep that space that maybe isn't quite as needed for inpatient and repurpose it for different things.
A hundred percent. So a lot of that where people are trying to repurpose it and then they got to make sure that they could repurpose it, bringing lower acuity things outside the hospital and and bring higher acuity things into the hospital and make sure they've got enough volume to make that all make work. And we've seen more and more systems make that transition over the last several years.
And from a private equity perspective, where private equity is buying up practices, really trying to own real estate, any thoughts on what this all means from a private equity perspective? Or does it just mean continuing to invest in things that are outpatient, even though the practice management world has been a little tougher lately?
Chapter 4: How is private equity responding to the outpatient care trend?
I think there's a couple of different angles to it. I mean, you can look at it in a really simplistic basis of which particular specialties and therapies are growing at the fastest rate. I think there's a pretty significant focus on endocrinology with the development of GLP-1s. That's the fastest growing right now.
But then you have all of these other outpatient therapies I mentioned earlier, the infusion centers, that is a big one as well. So that's looking at it simplistically of just what is kind of hot and growing right now.
But there's the additional angle to it, which is the outpatient therapies, not just as a direct investment and not just outpatient therapies, I should say, the surgery centers and all of the outpatient provider world. There's not just the direct investment investment.
There's the additional angle of how do you bring those providers into your existing platform growth strategy, either in a contractual relationship where you have more bundled payments and value-based care, to if you're not making a direct investment, you can partner with them to lower the cost and take risks together.
how you develop those additional ancillaries as an alignment strategy with your employed physicians. If you are a private equity investor, looking at different revenue streams and also different cost centers, you can look at it from the angle as a private equity investor, look at it from the angle of employee and staff and physician retention. There's a lot of data around employee satisfaction.
when they get to make moves and have personal flexibility and work in different environments like we're talking about. And then you can look at it from the angle of how it can increase and provide an opportunity to adhere to an entirely new patient base because these outpatient location developments
often help create access points for patients that otherwise were not, they simply were not going to get a particular diagnostic or treatment because they had to travel too far or they had a fear of going to the hospital. There's all sorts of impediments for why patients don't receive the care that they may have the right to receive.
And you can look at it as an investor from all these different angles and But it starts with just embracing the almost constant reality that there's a move to the outpatient setting that you need to understand where it's really happening, where it's happening hot, and where you might also expect a little volatility maybe in the reimbursement for that.
Because that's a whole other angle where there's some reimbursement that's been really steady on an outpatient basis. other that's been more spiky. It's been really attractive for a couple of years. And then payers have kind of gotten a handle on it and brought the reimbursement down. So there's all these different elements to it.
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