Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
Unlocking AI’s Potential in Healthcare and Early-Stage Investing with Venkat Mocherla 2-16-25
Sun, 16 Feb 2025
In this episode, host Scott Becker sits down with Venkat Mocherla, Founder of Midstream Health, to discuss the evolving role of AI in healthcare, key trends in early-stage investing, and the transformative impact of AI-driven automation on clinicians, administrators, and patients.
Chapter 1: Who is Venkat Mocherla and what is Midstream Health?
Yeah, thank you, Scott. Gosh, it's such a, you know, I have to say, you know, long-time listener, first-time caller type of thing. You know, so great to be with you and the community you've built at Becker's. Yeah, just to introduce myself, as Scott said, I'm Venkat Macharla. I'm the co-founder of Midstream Health.
I've been thinking about and working in the intersection of healthcare and technology for, boy, 15 years now. You know, I got to go start my career at a large care delivery provider called DaVita. And at the time, we were thinking a lot about not just, you know, kidney care, but actually how do we sort of build new businesses.
And I got to be fortunate enough to be part of a team that was, you know, revolutionizing primary care using these direct primary care models and a company called Palladina at the time. It's now part of Marathon Health. Um, I got to, you know, work on some new value-based care models there.
And then, um, I worked globally, uh, in the middle East and Europe and Canada, um, for a consulting research and technology company called the advisory board, which many of your listeners might know of. And then about 10 years ago, got obsessed with the intersection of AI and healthcare delivery. Um, I got to see a company go launch off the ground and a company called Juventus, um,
which is still and now is one of the leaders in applying AI for clinical operations. And 10 years ago, boy, you know, it's so interesting. Some of these trends take a while to catch up. And 10 years ago, nobody was really applying AI for some of these solutions. And now there's a whole host of entrepreneurs and interest and excitement in that area.
And then, as you said, got to be fortunate enough to be part of the incredible venture capital firm, Andreessen Horowitz, for about five years. And I got to partner with many entrepreneurs and helping them bring some of these ideas to scale.
And then not too long ago, got to start my own company called Midstream Health, where we think about fundamentally how do we accelerate and advance financial sustainability using AI for some of the largest healthcare systems in the country. So that's a little bit about me, Scott.
Thank you very, very much. And we're going to really go down two big lines of thought today. We're going to talk some about investing, and then we're also going to talk about what you're currently doing and how you think about this is AI use cases, because all of us are getting bombarded with different thoughts on AI use cases.
And many of us, small businesses, large businesses, trying to figure out where exactly it fits in and wanting to make sure we don't miss the boat on some of the opportunities with it. So let's start with the investment side of the house and talk about, you've been an investor both institutionally through Andreessen Horowitz, plus individually in several different companies.
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Chapter 2: What are the key trends in early-stage investing?
Same thing on the administrative side, like how do you give people superpowers around managing your, you know, or, you know, doing block optimization if you're, if you're Coventus or in the case of Midstream, how are you thinking about financial decisions that are across the, you know, very complex supply chain or the pharmacy or managed care and other areas?
So I think, you know, this era of superpowers has sort of unleashed a big opportunity set. The third thing I'll sort of say from a patient perspective is there's a, you know, I think about it as like autonomy in healthcare. So, you know, I talked about the Waymo example where, you know, you have, you know, the self-driving world, actually, you know, this is inspired by DARPA,
they put a framework around how do you think about self-driving cars. So there's a framework that starts with an L1, level one. They give it some basic, you know, cruise control type stuff to like L5, which is like, you know, your fully autonomous car.
I think we're going through that journey right now from a patient perspective because, you know, how do you think about this very reactive system we sit in today compared to,
Sort of like, you know, my mom and dad would, you know, you have triptych maps, Scott, I don't know if you remember that, or, you know, MapQuest even, you'd print it and you bank on somebody taking, you know, hopefully you take that exit on time. That's how I compare to healthcare as a patient today.
Like, hopefully you caught something, but it's pretty retrospective and it's, you know, hopefully you know someone, et cetera. But this new age of much more proactive autonomy that you provide the patient, I think will be quite revolutionary. So you have so many different mega trends taking place right now that I think unleashed this massive opportunity for entrepreneurs in healthcare.
Thank you. And then where do you sort of fit in the who? Who are you investing behind? You know, I've met through you a whole number of brilliant entrepreneurs. How do you decide of those who's worth investing in, who's not? How do you make those assessments? How do you think about that?
Yeah, I mean, look, I think that entrepreneurs have gotten to mentor over the time. I'm incredibly lucky there. So much of, you know, I think there's three things you got to think through, which is like the problem area that somebody is focused on. Second is the timing of that particular solution.
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Chapter 3: How is AI transforming healthcare delivery?
And the third, probably most important thing that I think a lot about is the founder themselves and the talent. Because building a company has been described as jumping off of a rooftop while assembling a parachute and hoping that you can land with all your parts intact, right? It's a pretty crazy act. And so it takes a very special person
Um, to go do it and they come from all backgrounds, all shapes and sizes. Um, but there are pretty extraordinary people and they tend to, you know, they're not sort of. Evenly matched in every category. I think they tend to have superpowers, um, extraordinary superpowers in one or two areas. Um, and then over time, hopefully augment themselves with the team.
So I think so much of my time, Scott is spent on, you know, I think there's a thing people obviously call, which is like, you know, product market fit, which is like, how do you have this magical moment where the solution you have, you know, um, finds this kind of incredible self-fulfilling prophecy where the market wants it and then you're off to the races.
But I think a lot about the founder problem fit, which is like, you know, is this particular founder. You know, and their superpowers and their story and their background match the problem set. Right. So, you know, when I think about, you know, some of the entrepreneurs I've gotten to, you know, partner mentor help over time.
I think there's just oftentimes health care is such a personal journey that somebody invariably has personally been affected by it, or maybe they had actually worked inside one of these large institutions or partnered with them and they got to see the problem firsthand. I think health care is one area where it's really hard to, given the complexity
to just sort of strictly go off of your intellectual understanding and a thesis. You should do that work and you should do all the market research, et cetera. But until you've gotten to these problems up close, whether as a patient, as a caregiver, or as someone who's worked inside these organizations, you don't have the fidelity of that picture to understand the exact issues.
Because I think so oftentimes, I think where things tend to go south is a technology hammer looking for a solution. And I think That doesn't quite match up. But if you understand the problem set, then you can bring the right sort of toolkit, if you will, whether it's machine learning or other tools that are available today at your arsenal if you're a technology entrepreneur.
So that sort of, I think, comes through, Scott. But they truly are incredible people that get to work on some of these problems, and some of them I've been fortunate to work with.
Thank you very, very much. And then what drove you, Venkat, from being an investor at one of the most successful VC funds of all time to wanting to start your own company? I've also seen, obviously, there's a number of people that have been in that situation that chose to go be entrepreneurs. And really fascinating, reminds me of Malinka as well from Makata.
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Chapter 4: What are the biggest challenges for clinicians today?
But talk about the concept of moving from, One great spot to going into the effort to start your own company. Talk about that for a moment and what drove that. And then as we move through that question, let me also ask you, when you talk about AI as it applies to healthcare, what are you most excited about?
Maybe those two questions, what drove you to do this and what are you most excited about as AI applies to healthcare?
I think the thing that for me that is so appealing, I mean, I got to, you know, work with on the, I was actually helped, I helped build the operating platform up at, you know, ASICC's Bio and Healthcare, got to be part of an amazing team of both operators and investors. And I had a blast working there and building those efforts up. But I think, I think to me, I'm a builder at heart.
I was, you know, I got to be, part of the build, uh, there and see, um, that group of amazing investors and operators scale, uh, to an incredible portfolio over time.
Um, and then I, you know, for me though, I think that the thread that is, and you mentioned Malinka and there's, um, there's others, I think there's another person, um, who was on the Andreessen growth team has also started a company named Mayhole, but the, the, the, you know, the, the clear thing for me is I like taking on big hairy problems with a small group of people.
And I think that is at my heart. You know, I like to build things. I like to take on things. And I think the other aspect of this is I think, you know, for me, we're, you know, so passionate about the early stage journey is you have to be a practitioner in the field to understand all the areas. And honestly, I think out of the last 15 years, I've seen the mobile revolution, the cloud revolution.
I think this is the most exciting time in this era of intelligence with AI. I think it's the most amount of time you think about the compute available, the data, the algorithms, the talent. Genuinely, I think we're about to enter a magical area where I know people have been really burnt out by the promise of technology solving things.
The joke, you know, I tend to have is for the longest time for every technology that we've introduced inside the hospital, we've introduced, you know, we've asked for a tech to come with it, right? Because it's just like, gosh, these are some really, you know, incredibly challenging piece of technology. It's not necessarily improving someone's life. It's actually
um you know it needs a lot of hand holding it requires a lot of um administrative burden to manage these things you know um the emr has you know burnt out a lot of physicians right and so but i think out of all the eras we're in this is probably the most exciting to be an entrepreneur um i genuinely think that you could just achieve a lot more i mean if you think about the tools available through you know whether it's github copilot or cursor or others like there's
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Chapter 5: How do entrepreneurs decide where to invest in healthcare?
And so there's a bunch of applications even outside of the hospital ecosystem that I'm most familiar with that is equally and incredibly exciting.
Fantastic. And talk for a second, Venkit, what trends are you watching early stage investing. What are you seeing there?
Yeah, I think, you know, the hardest kind of knock on healthcare is, you know, when you think about how risk averse the market is, and we think about And for the right reasons, right, for obvious reasons, the sale cycles tend to be really long, right? The average sale cycle for a health system is probably around 18 to 24 months.
What's happened now, Scott, is I think there's a bunch of entrepreneurs not only going after health systems because I think people are curious and genuinely they want to, you know, solve some of these problems, but there's also a tremendous amount of interest now in the SMB and mid-market. So how do you help your three-practice physician, you know, three-doc practice, excuse me,
um you know because they don't have the kind of frankly thought structure to dictate having a receptionist and having a very advanced revenue cycle suite etc but now you can actually use ai to help you you know create a you know sort of like you know this is this is the era if you know some have said that they are abundant which i tend to agree with that which is how do you give these magical superpowers and and um people behind the scenes
to go operate, whether your cost structure before, you had to be a giant health system to go do that. So that's the one area which is like just new markets opening up, which is quite an interesting and exciting trend.
The second piece is, look, for obvious reasons, there's an entire disconnect that happens between all these stakeholders, between the patient and the provider, between the provider and the payer, between the payer and life sciences. And I think what we're seeing now are people who are
not just competing with some of these businesses as full-stack providers, et cetera, but actually connecting with them, right? So you're seeing how do you, for example, use data to connect the dots between a really expensive drug that maybe cost a million or $2 million to administer that, to authorize it, et cetera. You're helping the med device industry with hospitals.
These contracts tend to be really complicated. And how do you sort of partner with that? Same thing if you have risk attached to it. So I think that's another very interesting trend where people are finally dissolving some of these silos. And the third piece, I think, that is very interesting to me is, is on, um, the, um, consumer piece itself. Like, so how do you sort of accelerate this?
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Chapter 6: What drives the shift from venture capital to entrepreneurship?
are extraordinarily generous with their time so i actually think seek mentorship it's much easier than what people think um and you know if you do it the right way we all get into healthcare to make the lives of our loved ones better we want to make this a higher quality lower cost system and if you are in healthcare most people have gotten into it because they they really get into it because they they care about making life better for themselves their loved ones and their friends and so
I think that people are extraordinarily generous with their time and perspective. And this is one place where it's like Don Quixote with tilting at the windmill. You do not want to reinvent the wheel in a lot of places. There are some places that are spectacular for thinking about first principles, but there are some places where you do not want to reinvent the wheel.
So first thing is just seek mentors who've like been in that space, who've navigated it and can at least tell you the trials and tribulations of what they faced. The second thing, I think, Scott, is just having a dose of reality. I think, look, we're in an incredibly interesting time.
I've painted this very optimistic, rosy picture of abundance, not scarcity, and actually being able to do multiple new acts without requiring to raise a billion dollars. Now, I think so often, especially in my part of the world in Silicon Valley, you think about fundraising. first. And I think that is oftentimes not the right move.
I think what you should do first is really think about the customer. Maybe it's the patient, maybe it's the hospital, maybe it's the payer, maybe it's the government, whoever it is.
I think you have to really do your homework in, you know, I think my old firm used to call this the idea maze, but, you know, really do your homework and get to customers and try to talk to people even before you start something just to see if this is even worth my time. I think oftentimes I see a lot of people who've
you know, gone through that entire journey and now are like trying to figure out, you know, what is the actual customer issue? And I think that is problematic.
So before you tell the whole world that you, you know, you raised all this money and, you know, from these firms, do your homework and those, you know, angel investors or advisors or whoever that can navigate you to that right group of customers are worth their weight in gold. So that's another point. Second is obviously after you're customer problem and market, you should think about your team.
I think so often I see people just racing away with their co-founders. And I think, you know, the thing I heard is, man, you can get a divorce, but like getting somebody off your cap table is, is tricky. And so, Just know that not all relationships work from a founding a company and that's okay.
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Chapter 7: Where are the most promising AI applications in healthcare?
And now all of a sudden, I think that actually that door is open or even, you know, questioning themselves about what is sort of the autonomous healthcare future look like. It sounds very you know, Silicon Valley-like. But I actually think there's a lot, whether it's, you know, from diagnostics to surgery to, you know, how the back office might work, that has massive implications.
And I think that future is, you know, in the words of Alan Key, it's here, it's just not evenly distributed. So I'm very excited about that. But those are some things I would share. And then maybe the final thing, Scott, is I've really been impressed by a generation of new entrepreneurs in their 20s who are coming in from the outside in.
And I've genuinely been amazed at their curiosity and their ability to learn new things and the humble attitude they're bringing. I think there was a wave of entrepreneurs that were, frankly, a little too egotistical to say, you know, we know better. That's not worked. But this next generation of entrepreneurs that are humble, curious, but are coming from the outside in,
I'm genuinely amazed and inspired by them.
I think that last point is so important and so interesting. I mean, so many people, young software engineers, young computer scientists, young everything, literally coming out of college in their 20s, not necessarily looking for huge exits, but really solving problems. And with that humility of really trying to solve problems and figure them out,
You and I know that we've talked to so many experienced business people outside of healthcare, and it's something you said earlier. They think, oh, not a problem. I can invest in this or do this or do that. And it's just such a clear problem to solve. And don't understand all the nuances out of it in the area. And I do see so many young entrepreneurs
You know, and I don't want to be ageist because I'm older, but that are so inclined to really be curious, trying to solve problems, trying to learn. And it takes that attitude to connect both what you're doing with what a client or customer or small or medium or large business needs. You've got to connect those dots. You can't just throw a solution at them.
And I think that I think you really nailed it. Venkat, it is a pleasure to visit with you today. This podcast will be released shortly. We'll also be doing a webinar along similar lines next week. Thank you so much for joining us on the Becker Private Equity and Business Podcast. Just a pleasure to visit with you. Thank you very, very much.
Always a pleasure, Scott. Thank you so much for this, and I'm excited to continue the conversation at this time.
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