Chief Change Officer
#136 From Misfit to Mission: Sara Lobkovich’s Guide to Achieving Big Goals – Part Two
Tue, 07 Jan 2025
If you’ve ever felt like a misfit—an introvert, an ADHDer, a rebel, or a frustrated change-maker—this two-part series is for you. Our guest, Sara Lobkovich, proudly identifies with these groups and has turned her unique perspective into a source of strength. After months of writing, Sara has crafted two books that combine her lived experiences and sharp business strategies. Her mission is clear: help others activate their inner strategist and chase ambitious goals with authenticity and clarity. In Part 1, we’ll uncover Sara’s personal journey, from struggles to breakthroughs, and how her experiences shaped her purpose. Part 2 will delve into the books—her motivations, her audience, and the impact she hopes to create. Key Highlights of Our Interview: A Love Letter To Square Pegs Who Don't Fit In "This book is a love letter to me earlier in my career. I know I'm not alone. I know there are so many other people who are having experiences like I did. If I had written this earlier in my life, if I had somehow had the capacity to write this earlier in my life, I would have written a book to people who are strategically wired and feel like they don't fit in a world that's really focused on tactics to people who feel like square pegs in their careers, like we're always a square peg trying to fit into a round hole and just don't fit in." Two Books, One Mission: Simplifying Strategy and Goal Setting “I realized I had two books: one is the No BS OKRs workbook, and the other is about modernized, human-centered strategic planning.” The Moment ‘You Are a Strategist’ Became the Book Title I Had to Write “I knew the title had to be ‘You Are a Strategist.’ I rewrote the book to deliver on that title.” Empowering Your Inner Strategist: No Matter What Job You Do “You might be a dishwasher, noticing things in the restaurant—there’s strategy in everything we do.” Connect with us: Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sara Lobkovich ______________________ --Chief Change Officer-- Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself. Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs, Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts. 6 Million+ All-Time Downloads. Reaching 80+ Countries Daily. Global Top 3% Podcast. Top 10 US Business. Top 1 US Careers. >>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<< --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: What is the purpose of this podcast series?
Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chan, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist community for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. This episode and the last one are for the introverts, the ADHDs, those on the autism spectrum, trauma survivors, strategy brain square packs, frustrated change makers.
revolutionaries, that is rebels and revolutionaries combined, as well as thinker-doers. Why? Because our guest today, Sarah Lobkowicz, is part of these groups. And she's not holding back anymore. In fact, she spent months writing two books that bring together her life lessons and business strategy experience to help us all wake up our inner strategist and achieve big goals. No BS.
In the last episode, part one, We looked into who Sarah is, what she's been through, and how her past has shaped her purpose today. In this episode, part two, we'll dig into the book, her why, her audience, her objectives, and her vision. That said, Sarah's story and her book aren't just personal. They are also deeply rational. She's packed it with tools, analysis, and a lot of business concepts.
For anyone familiar with business school models and buzzwords, you'll find her approach balances speaking to a specific audience while delivering real business value. Let's get started.
Yeah, I can share from my experience. I can't speak for the larger field because I think my experience was a little unusual. I tried to go the big agency strategy route. Had a few years where I applied over and over to the names that you just mentioned and more. And I really wanted to get in that big agency strategy consulting space.
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Chapter 2: How did Sara Lobkovich's experiences shape her approach to strategy?
And I never even got a call because I didn't have the right names on my resume. I didn't have the right experience. I wasn't at the right stage of my career. I didn't come from the right school. So I have worked with lots of those consultants. I've worked alongside those consultants. I have been brought in after those consultants and done additional work where it wasn't as successful.
And so I've seen that big strategy machine operate. I've also worked with folks who come from that world who are some of my dearest colleagues, incredibly talented people. They learned brilliant ways of working in that environment and really strong frameworks for working in those environments. learned how to work well and how to serve clients well.
So I've observed and learned a lot being adjacent to those types. But the big agency thing just wasn't something that I was a candidate for. So I worked in smaller agencies. I worked in creative agencies to begin with, and then I started working in smaller consultancies. And I think some of the misconceptions or misunderstandings in the workplace, I think too often.
The words strategy and smart are conflated. So being strategic or being a strategist is not just being the smartest person in the room. Being a strategist is being someone who is curious and has a toolkit of questions. that help uncover facts and observations that then spark insight and let us develop ideas. And so I think that's the thing
that I didn't realize until really late is being a strategist, I'm looking at a book on my bookshelf right now that I always keep within arm's length by Mark Pollard. And it's called Strategy is Your Words. But he is very much from the school. He's a rebel in strategy. He's a delightful rebel in the field of strategy. And strategy is your words. Strategy is your questions. Strategy is...
the curiosity to ask questions that yield facts and observations and possibility that wasn't there before the questions were asked so I think we just think of I don't for one I don't think a lot of people know what strategy is as a field but for two when we do I think we think of strategists as the Mad Men reference. The Don Draper, he's an account guy, but he's also strategic.
The polished person in the suit at the front of the room that's got the line and the story and the room is captivated by the strategy that's being unfolded. And the world of strategy that I've always worked in is not that.
It's me and other collaborators from a diverse range of backgrounds standing at a whiteboard on a Saturday trying to solve a problem that we're so excited to solve together or to create possibility around that we're there by choice on a Saturday, standing at a whiteboard together, throwing ideas or throwing facts and observations and insights around.
So I think especially what we see when we think of strategic consulting, it is the McKinsey's, it's the Bain's, it's the big ones, it's the folks in suits and the frameworks and they do brilliant research and that's what we see in the field.
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Chapter 3: What are the key themes of Sara's books?
Yeah, when it started, the book was just about no BS objectives and key results. And actually, when the book started, it was about evolutionary objectives and key results. That was the original branding that I used around my approach to objectives and key results, which is a aligned goal setting model that I'm sure we're going to talk about a little more.
But I originally branded my approach as evolutionary OKRs. It became, I taught a course that I called the working title was no BS OKRs. And it was just the working title. But the response to it was so strong, I never went back. So the approach has been branded the no BS objectives and key results or no BS OKRs ever since.
We do occasionally work in conservative environments or environments where that no BS is considered too vulgar or not appropriate. And so we use the evolutionary OKR branding in those spaces. But for the most part, the clients that I work with, are drawn in by the fact that this is just a no BS approach to objectives and key results.
It's a straightforward, learnable, focused way to work with a methodology that's often really overcomplicated by people. And so that's where the book started was being a book about no BS OKRs. And at a certain point, I realized I really think I have two books. I think I have a workbook, which is really about objectives and key results, No BS Objectives and Key Results.
And so we carved that out and that's available now. I have a PDF version of the No BS Objectives and Key Results or No BS OKRs workbook, which is really... It gives you the words and meanings and the mindset of working with this type of goal setting, but it's really focused on doing. It's really focused on exercises and worksheets that help you create your goals.
And then the big book, which was what we called it for a long time, was more philosophical. It was more about the why of adopting an approach to strategic planning, not just objectives and key results, but I work in the broader context of strategic planning.
And so it was this other book that was about modernized, simplified, human-centered methods for strategic planning for meaning for humans so that they could actually use the strategy that was being created. And the no BS objectives and key results. And there was, um, I wish I could actually remember. I should look back at my notes and see if I have notes on the day that title happened.
I actually don't remember now. I have some working memory issues and executive functioning issues. So my memory can be a bit spotty. I don't remember. what it was that prompted the title. I think I was doing an ideation session with one of my strategic partners, because I work with a bunch of collaborators.
And I think I said something like, if I could name the book anything, I would name it, You Are a Strategist. But I can't do that. And here's why. And But that title, the minute it came out of my mouth, I knew that was the title. I knew that was the book. I had to rewrite the book to make it that book.
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Chapter 4: What does it mean to be a strategist?
And that the message I hope to bring with this book is strategy isn't just about being smart. Strategy isn't about being the person who can write the perfect line. It's not about being the person who. who can stand at the front of the room and sell the most effectively. It's about asking and answering questions that make people say, wow, that's a really good question.
I haven't thought of it that way before. Or I haven't had a chance to think about this before. Because That's how we change systems that aren't working. And I think the more people who feel empowered to, or the more people who feel like they can ask those questions instead of wondering, what's wrong with me?
that this doesn't work for me the more people who can ask questions about their environment or about our world or about our cultures instead of quietly thinking i don't know what's wrong with me that this doesn't make sense to me i don't know what's wrong with me that i don't understand how to succeed what's wrong with me that i can't just do the work like everybody else i don't want people to have to think those things i want fewer people to have those kinds of statements running through their head
and more people to know that there might be nothing, there's nothing wrong with you. You just might be seeing things through a strategic lens in an environment where, based on your experience and my experience, that's not what everybody always wants.
Your book's first page is dedicated to quite a range of individuals and I want to read it out loud for the benefit of our listeners. This book is dedicated to introverts, people with ADHD, those on the autism spectrum, trauma survivors, strategy brain square packs, frustrated change makers, revolutionaries, a combination of rebels and revolutionaries. And lastly, thinker doers.
There are a couple of interesting terms there. So why did she choose this audience? I'm guessing you must personally resonate with these people. Maybe you were or still are one of them. Why did you dedicate this book to this specific group?
You nailed it. That is me. This book is a love letter to me earlier in my career. But I know I'm not alone. I know there are so many other people who are having experiences like I did. And it...
If I had written this earlier in my life, if I had somehow had the capacity to write this earlier in my life, I would have written a book to people who are strategically wired and feel like they don't fit in a world that's really focused on tactics. To people who feel like square pegs in their careers, like we're always a square peg trying to fit into a round pole and just don't fit in.
I'm in my late 40s now, but it was in my 30s and then my early 40s when I started to learn about the impact of trauma on the brain and on cognition and the role that trauma can play in changing behavior for people. And I am a trauma survivor. I had early childhood experiences, adverse early childhood experiences. So my brain is really affected by trauma and trauma history. And then...
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Chapter 5: How can anyone activate their inner strategist?
And my work is for neurodivergent people and people who are from other cognitive styles or neurotypes and other cultural backgrounds beyond just standard American business or mainstream business culture. to learn practices for developing and communicating strategy and expectations and goals in a way that can be understood by anyone.
There was no way I could write that book without just being really honest that It is for neurotypical leaders to develop skills to work better with their neurodivergent employees, which also benefits everyone else while we're at it. And it's a tool that people who've struggled in their careers can use to
take a step to put themselves back in the driver's seat of their careers and tap into their intrinsic motivation and reconnect with what they want and need and
take the risk of paying a little less attention to what people expect of you or the ways that you've been coached to mask your behaviors or to conform with some sort of professional expectation that doesn't fit you or doesn't fit your cognitive wiring and operate from your center and from your truth with tools that help you be well received by others that you work with. Yeah. Again, it's.
For me, we started this conversation with my activism when I was nine years old and in the third grade, and it comes back around to that. That has not changed. I'm still an absolute Chinette activist. And my hope is that this book is a way that people who haven't necessarily been served by other, by the mainstream business press
can find that they belong in any room they want to put themselves in, including in the CEO chair, in the organization that they want to work in, because we need people who are wired differently. in every role there is. We need people who think differently in every role there is.
So my hope is that this is one little step toward eliminating some of the barriers that people experience in their careers and especially in the transition into leadership.
When it comes to business books, It's difficult to make a lot of money unless you are already a big celebrity with branding, with resources for marketing, widespread marketing, a big publishing house behind you, and a strong social media presence. Even then, those thought authors tend to focus on board generic topics that appeal to the mass market because that's where the scalability is.
But with your book, you are doing something different. You are speaking to a specific group of people, people like you, who you want to help and connect with. Sure, we might not have the exact statistics on how many people fall into that group, but it's bold. It takes courage to put in the time and money, hire people and contractors, and say, I'm going to speak up no matter the judgment.
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Chapter 6: What does 'No BS OKRs' really mean?
bringing to people. And I'm just really, I'm really hopeful and optimistic and excited to see people who might not have felt seen in other strategic planning circles or who might not know that they're strategists right now or that their struggles are because they're strategically wired. I'm just so excited to see people discover these tools and then hear what they do with them.
That's the part I can't wait for.
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