Vince Chan
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Jun 2025
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Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist humility for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. Today's guest is Jodi Silverman, founder of the Moms Who Dare community and someone who knows what it's like to face a totally quiet house and wonder what comes next.
She built a print business, raised a family, and then realized it was time to find something that lit her up again. In this two-part series, we talk about letting go of old roles, parenting when you are no longer the fixer, and why your next chapter doesn't have to look like your last one. Jodi's story is honest, warm, and refreshingly real. Let's get into it.
So far, among the women you've connected with, what are some of the common challenges they face? And with those challenges in mind, what kinds of solutions have you seen, either from the group or ones you've helped them discover?
This process isn't easy. Like you said, it's not like flipping a switch. It's more like turning a dimmer. The change happens gradually, so it helps to prepare for it step by step, stage by stage. Maybe that means adjusting small habits every day or every month. That way, when the day actually comes, when they really leave for college or move out. You are more ready for it.
The empty nest experience isn't just something moms go through, dads feel it too. So I'm curious, how did your husband handle it? What was his reaction like? How did he respond to the shift at home?
I think in general, just speaking broadly, men tend to be less, outwardly, sentimental. Part of that comes from how society has shaped us Across cultures, men are expected to be the strong ones, the calm ones. I still remember being told as a kid, boys shouldn't cry. Well, it was okay for girls, which doesn't make any sense. We're all human. We have sentiments. We have feelings.
So I think for many fathers, even if they feel the sadness intrinsically, deeply, they may not show it. Maybe they shed tears in private, but that conditioning runs deep and it definitely shapes how they process things like the empty nest stage.
So quick side story. I was chatting with another guest recently. His father and both his kids had left home. We were not even talking about family at first, more about leadership and career stuff, but somehow this topic came up. And what he shared was interesting.
He said after the kids left, he and his wife decided not to just go back to us as a couple, but instead they each returned to their individual selves. They gave each other space, meaning living under the same roof, but doing the things they loved independently. He said over the past 20 something years, a lot of that got put aside for parenting. Now they are picking it back up again.
And for them, it works. Have you seen that happen in your own experience? either in your family or with others in your community? And would you say that's a good thing?
I really like what you said. Being together, but still being yourself. You can have different interests. Maybe you love ice cream and he doesn't like dessert. That's fine. And that day swap idea is great. You get to rediscover each other. What they like was changed. Even something simple like gift giving becomes more thoughtful because we all change over time. If we do notice that in each other,
That's when we start to feel disconnected.
Today, you've shared a lot of great insights. from the importance of togetherness and self to ideas like the day's walk and a dimmer approach to identity change. I really like that one. Slowly refocusing on yourself over time so it doesn't feel like a sudden loss when your kids leave home. You also reminded us that being a mom never ends.
The role evolves from caretaker to advisor, but the connection remains. And as you said, we don't need to be their best friends. We guide, we let go, and we keep building a life of our own. So if there's a parent listening right now, maybe still feeling down, stuck, or overwhelmed by the emptiness, what would you say to them? What's one thing they can do to start moving forward again?
And that's the end for our two-part series on Jodi Silverman. Jodi's journey is a reminder that letting go of one identity isn't the end. It's an opening. Whether you are a parent, partner, or just someone trying to figure out what's next, her DARE method is a good place to start. Thank you so much for joining us today.
If you like what you heard, don't forget, subscribe to our show, leave us top-rated reviews, check out our website, and follow me on social media. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Until next time, take care.
Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist humility for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. Today's guest is Richard Carson, consultant, strategist, and the guy who once walked away from a government job to join the consultants he just hired.
In this two-part series, we talk about what happens when organizations try to change but forget about people Richard shares what most consultants get wrong, why empathy isn't optional, and how a terrible time tracking system inspired his now 39-step change model. It's practical, honest, and filled with stories you won't forget. Let's get started. So back to your model is people sustained.
So while it includes the classic three stages, you've also built in several other steps and actions. What are they? Can you walk us through those? How do they come together in your model?
So when did you publish your book? The reason I asked about the timing is since the book came out, Have you had a chance to apply your new model? Perhaps have you received some of the recommendations from your clients? I'd love to hear how your new model played out in real life. Any results or experiences you can share?
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