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Candace

BREAKING: Judge Makes Statement Regarding Taylor Swift's Text Messages. | Candace Ep 155

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It's just so hard to believe that people are that evil. But they have been throughout history. This is why it's weird. It's like we'll look back on the Victorian era or we'll look back on the – the man-boy love of the Socrates era. We'll go, that's just back then. We've evolved now. We don't do that anymore.

Candace

BREAKING: Judge Makes Statement Regarding Taylor Swift's Text Messages. | Candace Ep 155

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But when they've identified specific aspects of traumatic past that they can use these particular victims of trauma, of childhood trauma, and take them and turn them into weapons, that's so wild. But that's... That is an asset, right?

Candace

BREAKING: Judge Makes Statement Regarding Taylor Swift's Text Messages. | Candace Ep 155

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If you got someone who's so f***ing crazy, you could talk to them and get them to do things and give them acid and get them to Sirhan Sirhan levels or whatever the f*** they did to Jack Ruby.

Candace

Russell Brand Charged | Ryan Reynolds Caught | Candace Ep 172

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The Candace Owens show that's on YouTube. Yeah, that's right. And it's doing better numbers than any of the shows on cable news. It's phenomenal. It's like they created a monster with her. When they fired her from the Daily Wire, they created a monster. Yeah, they sure did. She can't be stopped. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no.

Candace

Russell Brand Charged | Ryan Reynolds Caught | Candace Ep 172

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Six hours plus long. I don't know if she's even kind of right about that. I think she's right. But she's got a lot of shit to say on it. Bro, she would be getting sued right now instead of trying to bribe her. Instead of trying to give her money to shut the fuck up. Yeah. They would sue her. Yeah. Nope. You're probably right about that. I don't know if they are suing her.

Candace

Russell Brand Charged | Ryan Reynolds Caught | Candace Ep 172

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Have they tried to file anything? They probably have. They probably filed some bullshit lawsuits, too. I'm sure she's dealing with several. But I'm pretty sure she's right. I don't know. I might be wrong. I think she's right. The whole thing stinks.

Candace

Russell Brand Charged | Ryan Reynolds Caught | Candace Ep 172

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And what stinks way worse than that giant distraction is that the number one opponent for Macron just got sentenced to four years in jail and barred from political life for five years.

Candace

Russell Brand Charged | Ryan Reynolds Caught | Candace Ep 172

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Winning. Yeah. It's f***. crazy. It's what they try to do to Trump plus.

Consider This from NPR

They want America to have more babies. Is this their moment?

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That's a lot better than I thought.

Consider This from NPR

They want America to have more babies. Is this their moment?

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We care about whether we're seen as a good person, whether others see us as a good person, and whether we feel like good people.

KILL TONY

#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE

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You need some confidence. You need something to give you unreasonable confidence. I should have done a couple lines.

KILL TONY

#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE

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You gotta go to the correct rubber pussy warehouse?

KILL TONY

#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE

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You ever been in a corn maze? What I meant by, is it a problem dating? Like, how do other people feel about it? Do they have a problem getting close to you? Say that once more. Do other people have a problem getting close to you with your fucking crazy eyes?

KILL TONY

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Joe Biden. You should cut a hole in it like your wife did.

KILL TONY

#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE

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I want to call a game warden right now. I don't know what the fuck you did, but this is America. We don't eat dogs, and you can't shoot babies. Piece of shit.

KILL TONY

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There's anger in the air tonight. It's weird. Yeah.

KILL TONY

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Okay, Carly Rose. There you go. Now I know why those other guys were angry.

KILL TONY

#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE

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Let's check in with Joe Rogan here. Joe, what do you think? I was just going to say, Red Band, a boy can dream.

KILL TONY

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Imagine her doctor being, what the fuck am I fixing you for?

KILL TONY

#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE

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Why is your hole infected again? Shots. All the years he spent in medical school, fucking carefully stitching her together.

KILL TONY

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Stay safe in those streets. I feel like I know too much. I feel like I don't know enough.

KILL TONY

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The crazier thing is the eyes.

Search Engine

The New Zuckerberg

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I walked in here today, you look thicker. You look like a different guy. You do. You look like a jiu-jitsu guy now. It's funny. I saw your neck. I'm like, his neck's bigger. Your neck is bigger. Good.

Search Engine

The New Zuckerberg

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Who is they? Who's telling you to take down things that talk about vaccine side effects?

Search Engine

The New Zuckerberg

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It might be entirely true.

The Ben Shapiro Show

Ep. 2134 - Democrats Fear BIG BALLS!

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You're seeing a politician, a president, who's coming in who can't get re-elected, so he's just going ham. And he's just cleaning out everything. And people are freaking out. The same people that say we need radical change. We need radical change. We've got corruption. We need radical change. Okay, well here's your radical change.

The Ben Shapiro Show

Ep. 2134 - Democrats Fear BIG BALLS!

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don't need this but you do the government does they need oversight and they haven't had that and because of that you're seeing this not just waste you could call it waste but it's it's deeper it's deeper than waste it's corruption and you're seeing that that corruption get weeded out i am hoping that this is successful and that it yields a benefit to the american people to the working class people to everybody where they recognize like hey

The Ben Shapiro Show

Ep. 2134 - Democrats Fear BIG BALLS!

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We can't just be spending all our tax money on nonsense.

The Bulwark Podcast

Alex Wagner: The Poster Child for Corruption and Grift

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This other thing about Elon. Elon's going to steal everybody's money. He has $400 billion. I'm telling you he's not going to steal your money. I'm telling you that's not what he's doing. What he's doing is he's a super genius that's been fucked with.

The Bulwark Podcast

Alex Wagner: The Poster Child for Corruption and Grift

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And when you've been fucked with by these nitwits that hide behind three-letter agencies and you're dealing with one of the smartest people alive and he helps Donald Trump get in office and he goes, I want to find out what kind of corruption is really around. Well, you fucked up. You fucked up and picked the wrong psychopath on the spectrum because he's going to hunt you down.

The Bulwark Podcast

Alex Wagner: The Poster Child for Corruption and Grift

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He's going to find out what's going on. And that's good. That's good for everybody. That's how you should be looking at this. Like, wow, we have a brilliant mind that is examining these really fucking corrupt and goofy systems. and bringing in a bunch of psychopath wizards. Is that how this works?

The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1010: Bill Kristol: Stiffen Your Spines, Democrats

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No, that's not controversial at all. And this is the thing, you know, measured twice, cut once. This is the, like, this is kind of crazy. That that could be possible. That's horrific. And that's, again, that's bad for the cause. Like, the cause is, let's get the gang members out. Everybody agrees. But what's not innocent gay hairdressers get lumped up with the gangs? And then, like, how long...

The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1010: Bill Kristol: Stiffen Your Spines, Democrats

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before that guy can get out. Can we figure out how to get him out? Is there any plan in place to alert the authorities that they've made a horrible mistake and correct it?

The Daily

Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.

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Just want to see, do you own a suit?

The Daily

Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.

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A lot of Americans have problems with you not respecting the dignity of this office.

The Daily

Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.

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I was 100% a left-leaning person who lived in Los Angeles. I never voted Republican my whole life. I was very left-leaning. But California went nuts, man.

The Daily

Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.

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Well, they canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president, correct? No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it.

The Daily

Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.

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We need like a realist, someone who's like conservative fiscally and understands foreign policy and how to deal with dictators.

The Daily

Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.

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It's so insane that that's been going on for so long.

The Daily

Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.

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Sounds like it's feeding hungry people. People are going to starve, Elon. This is horrible. And then you find out, actually, it's like $250 million for transgender animal studies.

The Daily

Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.

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Everybody should be celebrating that we've found a way to cut out fraud and waste. Yeah. If you pay taxes and you don't like that you have to pay so much in taxes.

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

PTFO - Share & DOGE & Tell with Mina Kimes, Dan Le Batard, and Pablo Torre

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He's starving mothers. There's mothers that can't get food. Totally false. That's all you're hearing. No one's talking in any of these mainstream liberal talk shows. No one is talking about all this fraud and waste.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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If you had one piece of footage or image to release, would there be one that really stands out? Like if they said, look, you could release this one, just one of these classified high-resolution videos, is there one that really stands out as being unique?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Can you describe any of it?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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When you hear about that story, the big thing was that there was some sort of crazy electrical storms that night. But again, if you're going to have a Tesla, you would assume the wheels won't fly off when it rains. You're going to come here from another planet. What's on that planet? Well, they occasionally have lightning. Well, let's not fuck around if they have lightning.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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So the speculation is that they're hiding in plain sight in the water or is the speculation that there's always been a civilization down there?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Puerto Rico?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah. That's under the water?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Whatever that is is crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Click on that, Jamie.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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Ancient Origins. Is it a crackpot site? No, it just doesn't give the vibes of a place to start looking for relevant information.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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It eventually goes in the water.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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How fast is this thing supposedly going?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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Let's not go into the storm. If you're in a plane, you can go above the storm. You know how, like, a pilot says, we're going to take this plane above 45,000 feet to let you know, and then you look down, you can see lightning below you in the clouds. It's kind of crazy. How come they can't do that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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Well, listen, I want to thank you guys for having the courage to even talk about this because I know it brings with it a lot of ridicule. And for people like me that have no idea what's going on, it's very fascinating. You know a lot more than most. Well, I still don't know anything, though, so that's not good. Because I know more than most.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah, but I mean, all I know is what people have told me, so I don't know what's real and what's not real, you know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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But I appreciate you guys very much, and thank you for being here. If you've got social media, tell everybody where they can get a hold of you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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Ah, okay. Where do they get a hold of James? Is James Fox director, I think, on Instagram? I believe so.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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All right. Beautiful. Well, thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate it. Thanks for being here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Bye, everybody. Bye.

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I understand. I'm just playing devil's advocate.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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Right. I would assume they like you were talking about arrogance. I would assume they don't have that anymore. Like, no, it's not working. Work that out of the system. We should work it out of the system.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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Well, it seems like if you want to go and do something, anything, like you want to explore the universe, you want to accomplish things, you want to make technology, it almost seems like some kind of self-acknowledgement or some kind of ego has to be present. Yes. Like otherwise there's no motivation to do anything. Like this was the question about artificial intelligence.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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We were talking about this, and I said, but if artificial intelligence doesn't have any human needs, it doesn't have the desire to spread its DNA, it doesn't have the desire to achieve status, why would it do anything? Why wouldn't it just sit there and just observe and just watch us be stupid?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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And maybe it would say logically it would interfere if we were about to blow each other up or something crazy like that. Right. But other than that, why would it do anything? Why would it have any desire to take over?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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Oh, boy. So let's start with you, Jay. What was your first introduction to this whole concept that we are in possession of alien crafts or that we have communicated or there's been some contact? What was your thoughts about it before you had these experiences?

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Okay. Joe, what's happening? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, Steve. Both you guys were in the program, which is a UFO disclosure documentary all about what's going on behind the scenes. Why don't you tell everybody before we get started? Jay, tell them what your background is, what you do.

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We're very entertaining.

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They have to, right? If they're exploring, why else would they explore? So whatever it is that made us us, you know, from ancient primates to what we are today— a big part of that is all these needs and desires. And you got to wonder like at some point in time, Does that get engineered out of the biological system?

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And if it does, that system seems like it wouldn't need to explore at all unless it's facilitating a process. Unless there's a very delicate process where advanced life forms like ourselves are experiencing this new technology. And a lot of the people that are in possession of the technology aren't even the ones who created it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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So they have all this insane responsibility but they've done none of the work and they have power over this technology, which is where we find ourselves today, which is real weird. Imagine that's a process that all intelligent life goes through as it's evolving all throughout the universe. Maybe they know this. Maybe it's a precarious thing and maybe it has to be monitored because like, oh –

The Joe Rogan Experience

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You know, Star 15. Remember that third planet? Yeah, they fucking whacked the whole planet.

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Got there too late. And they realized, oh, that took like four billion years to make intelligent life that could figure out cell phones. And these dipshits blew each other up. Yeah. And now there's nothing but, you know, microbes. And it's going to take billions of years. And it might not even work because they might be too far from the sun by then. Now for another test case.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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So let's prevent these territorial primates from killing each other. And just maybe that's a thing that they do throughout the universe like farmers. Like, you know, make sure the wolves don't eat the calves. You know, just like protect it until it gets to this next stage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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So how long have they supposedly been having these interactions with NHIs?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Imagine a UFO talking to Trump. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He'd probably try to tax them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Pull back.

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Right. So there's the idea that our superiors, that the military, the top levels of government, even they are not given all the information. Correct. Because probably we're like a bunch of children. We're like, you're too stupid to figure this out. I'm not going to tell you what a nuclear bomb is. Just duck and cover.

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Right.

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Well, perhaps. I mean, listen, we run experiments all the time on animals. All the time. And we have collars on bears. We set them loose. Like, let's follow the bear. Where's he going? We do that all the time. We do that with all kinds of species. Yeah, we do. It only makes sense that they would do it with us. Especially since we literally have the ability to annihilate all life on Earth.

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And we're pointing at each other.

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It's a mad, mad world. I had that argument with Neil deGrasse Tyson. He was like, why would they be interested in us? I'm like, what are you talking about? We go to the jungle to study a frog. Like, of course they would come here. We're so strange.

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You know they believe they found actual water on Mars, not frozen water now? Yeah, on the poles. Yeah, I heard about that. That's nuts. Yeah. Because if there's actual water in there and they can find something in that water that's alive.

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Bro, I ain't drinking Mars water. I don't drink tap water and I definitely ain't drinking Mars water.

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Imagine. Bro, imagine if it's like filled with crazy minerals and you drink a glass of Mars water and you just feel incredible. And then we have to ship Mars water from Mars back to L.A.

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What if Mars water just makes you go back in time? You look 20 again. Yeah. Yeah. You know?

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What I'm really curious about is what was Mars like before it lost its atmosphere? Yeah.

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And was there a time a few billion years ago where Mars was like Earth?

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That's the craziest of all theories, right? And the most interesting. But if Earth still exists five billion years from now and now it's cold and dead and there's nothing, how much would be left? How much is left after a couple of billion years? What is really left over? What does it look like? Does it look like Mars? Because Mars looks completely desolate. But we know that Mars had water.

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And we know Mars had a warmer climate. So you kind of just assume there was something growing there. What does it look like a couple of billion years later? Probably like Mars. Which is great.

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If we do find out that Mars at one point in time housed biological life or maybe there's microbial life or something like that that still exists on Mars, just the climate is so harsh it can't advance past that stage, that alone would just change our whole view of the universe itself because we would start to consider, okay, maybe this isn't just this one thing that happened.

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Maybe the Fermi paradox is just that we don't have the ability to detect all these things that are out there. Yeah.

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We're fucking shooting fireworks on Fourth of July. We're nuts. We're the craziest species on this planet by far. Everything else is normal. Everything else just kills what it wants to eat. Everything else, you know, does normal stuff. They fight over resources, but that kind of makes sense biologically.

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I think if you branch out into the solar system and then into the galaxy, like as you start spreading out, if you do become some sort of an interstellar species, you kind of have to be united as a planet. Right? You got to go, look, all this bullshit about this country and that country. Let's let it go. Let's let it go.

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I mean, I don't want one world government because I don't trust the government. But if I did trust the government, I'd be like, one world government is the way to go. Everybody should have the same resources. Everybody should have the same access. Exactly. healthy food and water and clean air. It should be the same for everybody.

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It shouldn't be that you can make an iPhone in China because they can make it for 15 cents because people are working like slaves. Exactly. It shouldn't be like that. It should be like the whole world has the same rules. But the problem is you can't trust the government. So what do you do?

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Well, if you get to a point where everybody's so advanced that we don't have all of the same greed and lust and all the bullshit that ruins human society, if aliens get to that point, then it only makes sense that they would operate as a planet. But then they would have their interest ahead of these fuckers on that other planet.

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Push that microphone a little closer to you. I'm sorry. The hand moves. You can push it if you want to sit back.

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What I'm interested in is are there things just like us? Is this like if you – you know, like there's similar plants that exist in similar ecosystems all over the world where ideally the seeds have never been able to get back and forth. But they're similar, at least in some ways. It's just a matter of climate, resources.

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These plants, over millions and millions of years, these same kind of plants grow. Similar kind of animals. There's rats all over the place. There's a pattern to it.

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Something similar, like, I mean, the birds vary so wide. I mean, you can get a sparrow, you can get a fucking eagle or a condor. There's so many different kinds of birds, too. But I wonder, is there... Is this the only kind of way life evolves, or are there planets that are just radically different than our planet, and life forms in a completely different way?

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Well, it could be genetic engineering too. It could be that they – I was going to mention that. They reach some point where they say, well, what's the best structure for a body? A mantis structure is way better than a person's structure. We break so easy. Mantis are insanely strong. You ever see a mantis catch a hummingbird at a feeder?

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It's nuts, man. Taking out tarantulas and scorpions. They're so little. And they just snatch that fucker up and he can't move. If you looked at them, the hummingbird is probably four times heavier at least, probably more than that. And he's just like whoosh. Gotcha. It's like that design, the exoskeleton design is superior in terms of like durability.

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And also lobsters and crabs and all these kind of insects like that. Do demantis regrow limbs? Let's find that out.

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I know crabs can.

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So they can. So praying mantas undergo incomplete metamorphosis. Sometimes if their cage is too dry, a mantis may have trouble shedding old skin, will lose a limb in the process of molting. If it happens, it's possible for a mantis to regrow the lost limb, but only when they molt again. Oh, okay. So they molt again and then they regrow that limb. That makes sense. But they do regrow their limbs.

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They regenerate limbs as long as there's at least a coxa remaining, whatever that is. Yeah. It won't regenerate right away. Maybe a tiny nub and then they molt, I guess.

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But it just seems like that's a superior form of structure. So if you get to the point where technology is all done with the mind, right? We've developed artificial intelligence and quantum computing and the being has been generated over time.

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And your mother has the exact same recollection of the experience?

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genetic engineering to the point where it no longer has to have sex to recreate new versions of itself and so instead the way they procreate is they do it through design and maybe they say look it doesn't matter what you look like anymore no one's fucking let's all become mantises laughing Right?

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This soft shit on the outside, we're like fucking water balloons. We're so vulnerable. Yeah. Wouldn't it be better if you're hard on the outside? We don't need to use your fingers and thumbs anymore. We do everything with our mind.

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I mean, if it gets to the point... This is the thing that I've heard about people that have supposedly worked on crafts, is that one of the most remarkable things is that there's no... There's no gears. There's no levers to turn. There's no buttons. There's no controls. That everything is done somehow or another where the being and the craft are one. Yes.

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Have you talked to anybody that has said that any of the crafts have controls in them?

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Two places for you to put your hands and maybe for other parts of the crew, but that's about it Maybe that's so you don't use your phone Distracted just use your hands put your hands down on the thing Yeah, maybe they have something similar to like cell phone addiction, yeah So they're putting their hands on the thing that wasn't that what Lazar said as well Didn't he say there was something similar to that?

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Yes, he did Yeah, so no controls and somehow or another putting your hand on it syncs you up, and then they're just using their mind. Correct. Did they try to explain how this was developed?

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And so this was all when you were young, and so you had this memory in your head when you started working for the government. But when were you introduced to the whole idea that this is a real thing?

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This is that egg-looking thing.

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So this is not the thing we're talking about with the helicopter?

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I didn't see that interview.

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Well, we can do that to each other.

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You know, we can do that to each other through threats. We can put fear into people. We can do that. You know, there's a crazy documentary called Holy Hell, and it's about this guy who is a cult leader. And one of the things that he would do to these people, he was a hypnotist, too. But one of the things he would do to these people, he called it the knowing.

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And he would put his hands on them, and they would say that they would experience God. They had to be prepared for it. It was a thing that was very difficult to get. He had to prove you for it, and all these people wanted it, and they never got it. It was like a thing he held over your head.

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And then when he actually did it, even though this guy turned out to be a complete fraud and the cult disbanded, all those people talk about that moment when they had that experience with that guy, and they say it really happened. Wow. Because the human mind is weird, right?

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And this is the best expression that you can have in life. What is the best expression you have in life? It's love. Pure love. Just pure. just untethered love. It would make sense. It would like put that in you so that you would protect this thing.

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When we visit uncontacted tribes, we give them free food. Yeah. We're just like, we're here for you guys.

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They're only seeing the military humans.

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People definitely want it. Whether they're ready for it, we'll find out if it actually becomes bigger and more profound than what we've currently experienced.

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So when you're saying that all these people have figured out these methods, how to communicate with the aliens, what you're talking about is like people sitting down. This is something I'm hearing a lot lately, sitting down and supposedly summoning them, putting out like an intention and that they will come. Yes. Does that happen with you? You ever try it? I haven't yet.

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Right. So if you summon the UFO, like if they come to visit you, that's meant to happen to you. But if you're summoning them. Yes.

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You may be causing a distraction. People say that, yeah, if I could experience UFO contact, I would. Well, would you really? Because that might fuck up the whole rest of your life. What if it does happen and then it never happens again? And then you have a wife and kids and a house and you just sit in your fucking living room trying to pay attention to this football game.

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So Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio and NHI non-human intelligence, right? That's correct. And so they were saying, what were they saying? How much can you say? Like, is any of this top secret or is any of this?

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When you're thinking about... I've seen a fucking alien. I've seen UFOs. They've come down and communicated with me telepathically. I know they're real.

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They say that about heroin, too.

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They call it chasing the dragon.

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Was the shape the top like an iron as well?

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And you said you were like 10 as well? This is one of the things that I keep hearing about this idea that children and their innocence, they don't have this blockade in their head to keep them from... They don't think it's ridiculous to think about aliens. They're open to it more.

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We're programmed as we get mature.

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That's crazy because all those years later they all have the same story. They all drew the same thing independently. They pulled them aside.

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Things that make you go, hmm.

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Of course. So what was this talk of NHI? What did it entail when you first heard it?

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Well, now you know. Switch today at visible.com slash rogan. Terms apply. See visible.com for network management details. Well, the real question is how long have entities been visiting us and are the same entities visiting us over and over again? Or like the Zimbabwe incident, is that like the first time that species has ever been here?

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And did they just seek contact and didn't know that they're dealing with little children in a school? They just knew they were dealing with a group of intelligent beings that they could communicate with? They probably don't even have the concept of a school, right? Right. So if they're landing – I mean they probably understand basic culture for human beings.

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But as they land and interact with people, this might be the first time this species has interacted with anybody. We don't know. I mean we're dealing with hundreds of billions of stars just in this galaxy alone.

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Yo, pull that up, Jamie. Yeah. George Washington had a UFO encounter?

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He just said that this was— George Washington also had lead poisoning. Shane Gillis has the best bit about George Washington. I don't know if you've ever seen it. It's fucking hilarious. About going to the George Washington Museum and seeing George Washington's teeth. And George Washington's teeth— They're all wooden. Well, no. They were slave teeth.

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First of all, they knocked some of the teeth out of slaves' mouths, and the other ones were from horses. Oh, my gosh. And it was set in—it was all in lead. I never knew that. So he had lead in his mouth. I always thought they were wooden. So his joke is all about, like, George Washington being fucking mad with lead boys. Like, fucking killing everybody. That's why he's at the front of the boat.

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He was out of his fucking mind. It's a great bit, but the point is, like, George Washington was being poisoned by, you know, medical science at the time. They didn't know that lead was bad for you.

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Which is crazy. He kept lead in his mouth.

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I know, but, like, makes you wonder, like, what are we doing right now that the future people are going to go, these fucking idiots were doing that? Mm-hmm. But George Washington, have you found his account, Jamie? Not officially. So... I mean, it's from Ancient Aliens about the Founding Fathers. Good enough. Solid reference. Ancient Aliens. If it's on Ancient Aliens, it's legit. Yeah.

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Get Giorgio Tsoukalos to say it was wild hair.

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Are any of them, like, real exceptional? Are any of them, like, PhDs or something like that?

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The stigma's being lifted, but people still live with the haunting memory of the stigma being a part of their life. So I think people that have had an experience a long time ago, even though the stigma's lifted, they're still reluctant to talk about it. It's like... There's still people that are in the closet. Like homosexuality is like way less taboo than it's ever been in modern history, right?

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But yet there's still people that have been in the closet for 20 years and then trapped. And they're just like, fuck.

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They can't get out. I think for a lot of people that have had these crazy experiences, they probably had some moments where they told people, friends, and they got mocked and people called them liars. They felt like an idiot. Like, I'm just not telling anybody this anymore. Yep. Which totally makes sense.

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It's just human beings online, they're just not good at it. We're not good. It's too new. We suck at it. We're real shitty to each other. And too many people, it's like they're mentally ill. And what I mean by mentally ill is, like, if you're on Twitter 12 hours a day and you're constantly tweeting before you go to bed, you're mentally ill. You might not think you're mentally ill.

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Just like when you're an alcoholic, you're mentally ill. If you're a gambling addict, you're mentally ill. You're not well, right? You're fucking trying to bet your house on a football game. You're out of your fucking mind. You're addicted. Yeah, you're mentally ill. You're mentally ill if you're on Twitter all day just arguing with people. Mm-hmm.

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It's just the nature of the technology and the very crude way that people interact with each other, which leads you to think that as technology evolves and it gets to the point where we're communicating telepathy, through telepathy, telepathically, like supposedly they can, it sort of eliminates the need to even know our language.

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They can just come and give us thoughts and express things in a pure way without the need to decipher it through syntax and

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The craziest one, is it in Australia? The one that's on the wall where there's all these dudes with the big eyes?

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I saved one. I'll send it to you, Jamie, because I saw it the other day online, and it freaked me out so much. I saved it on my phone. I was like, this is so crazy just to look at.

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So you heard the recording. That's how you found out about this non-human intelligence thing.

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Well, because I just sent it to Jamie. We'll take a look at it right here. Jamie, you can run that through a Google search. You can find out where it is. Or I'll do that while you put it up on the screen. It freaks me out because these people were starving. These people were, like, barely getting by, right? They have stone tools.

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And they took the time to draw these things with these, like, weird helmets on and these big black eyes, which is fascinating. very similar to so many different encounters that people have. They all describe a very similar thing, a big head with giant black eyes.

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Yo. Well, that's the other question. Like, we're just sort of assuming that these things are definitely from another planet, that they're not here and they haven't been here all along.

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So, yeah, these are aboriginal drawings or aboriginal paintings. Yes. Yes. So this is from Australia, which is just wild. And you get them all over the world. All over the world. And real similar all over the world.

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Well, the ones that they saw in Varginha, Brazil, are kind of similar, but they seem like a darker color. It was almost like a purple, right?

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But they did have the black eyes and the large heads. They had horns, though.

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That's what the Varginia thing. Oh, that's the Dover demon.

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That looks like a shoe bill bird. That crazy bird.

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Imagine running into that thing in the night.

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Can you say how the conversation went? How did someone bring up non-human intelligence? Was there any discussion before this non-human intelligence of UFOs at all or aliens at all?

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Never sleep again. Yeah. Yeah. All I know is, like I told Travis- That does look a lot like the Virginia one, though. Yeah, it does. Go back to that last drawing you drew, Jamie. You pulled that, brother? Now, if you can, will you pull up the image of the Virginia drawing? Because they had an artist who talked to the little girls that saw that.

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And those women, and, you know, the really- Look at it. Come on, man. That looks exactly the same. Yeah, and there's those bumps on the head, though. Yeah, you can see that maybe that's- That's exactly the same fucking thing, man.

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Like, literally exactly.

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I went to Skinwalker Ranch.

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How did that go? Well, I was doing it for a television show, and we interviewed a bunch of people that lived there, and one guy. There was a lot of people that they wanted to be interviewed, and then when we got there, they chickened out. It seemed like there might be some drug use going on in the surrounding areas.

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A few people seemed like a little on tilt, but I think that's a good part of America. I think there's a lot of people. You could find some packets of people in America that are just doing drugs. So I wouldn't say that that was what it was. But this one guy that I talked to didn't seem like that at all. He seemed very respectable.

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I don't remember what he did, but he was a very smart guy, blue collar guy and lived in this very modest house. And he had this story of this thing that flew into his yard and through his house. And he said it was a small orb and he said it seemed to be communicating with him. And this guy didn't have any other bullshit stories.

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He didn't have any claims of just this one experience that he said was beautiful. He said it was incredible that this thing seemed like it was alive. It seemed like it was communicating with him. And it went right through the walls. And it went through the wall again and disappeared.

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You have a fear of paranormal or a fear of being around the people that believe in paranormal?

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How long ago was this?

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So fairly modern phone.

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Yeah, he was the only guy that was compelling. There was a bunch of other people that had goofy stories of bulletproof wolves that appeared out of the mist and like, okay. They just seemed like some people just wanted to be on TV, which is normal, right? You show up with cameras, people tell stories. And this is another show that I worked on once.

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It was called Game Show in My Head, and this is pretty funny. We told people so there was a the game show was we would take a contestant the contestant knew that they're gonna pull pranks on people but they didn't know what the prank was gonna be and so we had a piece in their ear and we would put them out in the public and My thing was that I had to tell them that they are a news reporter

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And that someone had just seen a UFO and had an encounter with an alien right there in Hollywood. But the person who was the witness took off. Would you be willing to go on camera and say it was you? And everybody said yes. They all did. And people had crazy stories. They talked about being abducted and being on the ship and experience. And they were communicating with me.

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They just fully made up stories. And that was an eye-opener for me. I was like, wow, you put a camera on people. They just are so hyped to be on TV. They just bullshit you. Yeah, they can. Because the guy who was in on it was shocked, too. Because he was like, I can't believe that these people just started fucking lying. Yeah.

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Everybody wants to – especially when you put a camera on people.

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Well, this guy was not interested in –

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much attention he just wanted to tell us his story and he was a regular dude like we talked about all kinds of stuff he had a big trout on his wall he had a trout like when they make trophies out of fish they don't really make trophies anymore now what they do is they take a photo and the measurements and then they make like a plastic version of that fish that looks exactly like it that's how they do it but this guy had like a real trophy fish that he had mounted I'm like they don't even do that anymore so I started asking him questions yeah that's it

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Wow. A long time ago. But the point is this guy was a sincere dude. He was telling me how he caught the fish. When I'm asking people questions about stuff, I want to know how you think. When I'm talking to some guy that tells me he had an encounter with an orb, I want to hear what you talk about. How do you talk about you at work? How do you talk about you with your kids?

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How do you treat your dog? You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to get a gauge of this guy. He seems super sincere. Just a regular good guy, very accommodating, very friendly.

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That's the thing that, do you know that feeling? Have you ever seen photos of miniature cars?

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I was just looking at that yesterday. Yeah. But what I was getting at, there's something wrong with the car that even in a photo you know it's not a real car. Yes. You know it's a miniature car. Your brain is very good at that. That's a real weird one because it doesn't make sense. Like there's a perception. You look at it like, oh, that's a miniature car. That's a fake.

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That's like a Hot Wheel because they're really good now. Pull up a photo of like a miniature Mustang.

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Oh, I've seen that. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah. So these are miniatures? Yeah, those are fake.

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Well, that's really good.

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That's a lot better than normal.

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Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point.

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Oh, okay. So he's really good at it. He's really good. Because these look, other than what you said, Jay, that you don't see the weight of the tires. But, like, okay, that one right there, that Nissan, click on that one, the blue one. Yeah, that's a Nissan GT-R. I'm looking at that, and I'm like, that's a fake car. I don't know why. Yeah, that looks like a model. But why does it look like a model?

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It's got to be that driver's window.

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Right. I mean, there's something about it, right? Like, what is that something about it?

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Right. Well, especially you as a person who's had an experience. Correct. You have something to gauge. There's certain things like in your field, like if you ran into a dude at the airport that was a faker. You know, there's a lot of guys that have put on like fake military outfits and pretend. And then they get questioned by real military.

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It's weird. Yeah. It is. But people are weird. People will make up crazy stories. So like when you're dealing with the craziest of crazy stories, which is UFOs have been in contact with me. I'm special. They chose me to talk to me.

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Well, that's probably because it was a real story.

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Right, he might be kook.

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So we kind of teased that then. So let's get to your experience. Why don't you tell everybody what happened?

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And when you say monitoring, what do you mean by that?

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This is moving very erratically.

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Can I pause you for a second? This tracking, is this manual or is this like some sort of automated system?

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So the automated system is having a hard time locking on to it.

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And it's moving like crazy, side to side, all over it.

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Okay, the sound is terrible. They need better mics. Honestly, it has to be a podcast mic. Oh, I'm sure. But he's saying, what is that? I don't know. We're having a hard time locking on to it.

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So he looks pale? Is that what you're saying?

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So you're assuming, you're immediately associating that with he's freezing, right?

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Does he have a hat on?

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So he's got a clean battle dress uniform.

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So he's actually saying words?

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But you're understanding what he's saying.

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Wow, so he was saying that to you, like his reaction to going to the military base.

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Are you saying tritium? Yeah, tritium is – that's the stuff that's in lume, like in your watch when your watch glows. That's – or, you know, they make those where they – they're basically radioactive isotopes that stay lit. So, like, if you get, like, a Marathon watch, Marathon makes military watches, and it doesn't need, like, this watch.

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You need the light, and the light charges the lume, and then when it's dark out, you can read the hands for, like, a few hours. It's the thing that they used to put on the end of the guns, right? Exactly. They still do. Like, SIG has them on their guns.

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Tritium is just a lot. I did that. That's not giving me much. So tritium, chunky glow in the dark glitter. What is that? These are game websites. Oh, I see.

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But tritium, that's that radioactive isotope. That's the stuff that emits light.

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So it emits a weak form of radiation.

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Okay. Okay.

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So he's asking you for that stuff? Tritium? Yep. And I'm like, I don't know where to get that. Oh, look at that. It's used in boosted fission weapons and thermonuclear weapons. Oh, great. That sounds pretty sure. I wonder what the fuck it's doing on your wrist.

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Yeah, airdrop it to Jamie. Do you know how to do that?

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So he asks you for tritium. You tell him this is what it looked like.

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Wow. And that would freak me out.

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So you're thinking at this time, though, it's a metal.

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This is the 3D image with the craft.

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And so you're trying to find different people that you can connect this being to. Yeah. And what is it saying to you?

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Were they just because they were flabbergasted or was it because something was going on?

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So they didn't see it up close like you did.

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So how far away would they be?

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That's still enough to detect whether or not someone looks blue though, right?

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And the people that were in the car with you, you feel like something happened to them that, like, froze them?

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The guy who said he has no ears, does that guy have a recollection? That guy they can't find. They can't find him.

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How about that UFO we met?

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How did they allegedly acquire this tech?

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But... What was that incident where James Fox and you were on a show? What's that?

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So this thing, does it tell you why it needs the tritium? It just says it needs it to fix its craft? Yeah.

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Do we think it's not metal or do you think maybe it's a metal that we don't have?

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So you, because it was describing it to you, you all of a sudden had access to all this information.

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Yeah, and I could just give you all that instead of talking it out. That's what he did. Did you then try to talk to someone and relay that information and like download it?

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So how do they describe it that freaked you out that much? They're talking about biological entities that are retrieved along with the crash?

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And so did you talk to someone from DARPA? You said these people wanted to talk to you?

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And is that information still in your head?

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So does it seem like a memory, or what does it seem like in your head? To me, it's like a very clear, like, this is...

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Could you draw that picture if someone gave you a pad and a pen?

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Is that available online? Can someone see that?

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But does it remain in your head like normal memory? Like, you know, like you learn certain things in school and they stay in your head.

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Why do they crash if they're so fucking smart? That's always the big question, right?

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What I mean is, is the memory the same as a regular memory or is it clear? Yeah.

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But it just somehow or another in that conversation, he put this information in your head. And then it just leaves?

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Did you get a sense of where this thing was from?

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And for some reason you just felt compelled to draw this particular star system.

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And was there a specific planet in that star system?

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Isn't that what they always say about aliens, zeta reticuli? Yeah.

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Now. What is the rest of your life like after that day? So you have life before you experience this creature and then now you know that this is a thing.

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So wait a minute. The United States government has the ability to contact or interact with these craft and force them to land?

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Whoa. Um, it stays with you, but what, like, what is your experience trying to relay these thoughts in this experience that had to be weird in the sense that like, it's very hard to believe. I mean, I believe you, but it's very, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, you did what you talk to an alien. Like that's most people are going to think you're ridiculous. Yeah.

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You're really worried that much that someone would try to take you out?

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But do you know why they don't want you talking about this?

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And when you say bad decisions, what do you mean by bad decisions?

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But that video of the alien, that's fake, right? The video where they're interrogating some gray?

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What is the general consensus in the people on the program about Roswell? They don't like talking about it.

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So the general consensus is that this is a real event. Yeah. And they don't like talking about it. But does everybody sort of agree or are there people that are dissenting? Do they have dissenting opinions about whether or not it was a crash UFO?

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They don't want to talk about it, but that it wasn't ours.

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Does anybody talk about it? Is there anybody that has shared information about Roswell to you? Yeah. Is there anything that you could talk about?

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And, Logan, you were in the documentary as well, so tell everybody what you do.

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No. No. It's all top secret. I just gave the person the confidence that I would not mention it. Got it. Got it. And Logan, have you had personal experiences other than the one when you were a child?

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So the idea would be that the retrievals would be very valuable because you could back engineer the tech, figure out how it works, make weapon systems, make superior crafts.

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Pull that image up, Jamie. Thank you.

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How long has this supposedly been going on for? Decades. It's been going on for a very long time. Even before I was born. But if the tech that we have now that allows us to tell them to land didn't exist before, why did they crash before? What is Roswell?

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Right.

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Are there photographs of that at all?

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Right. Did you see the Trump administration address the drones today?

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Yes, I had a friend tell me they made an announcement, but we were getting in the car at the time. Essentially, they said it was all ours, and there was some sort of scanning that was done that was approved, and the other ones were hobbyists. And there was some sort of test that they were doing, but they were saying that it's ours, which is very—the whole thing stinks.

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My friend Mark saw one. Mark Norman, how did he describe it, Jamie? He said it was triangular, right? I just remember him saying SUV size. Yeah, he said it was the size of an SUV. He said it was triangular. He said it moved really fast.

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Right.

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But radar is just a detection signal, right? Right.

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Right.

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And what does it look like?

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So it looks like a very large conventional drone.

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Well, the other thing is they could stay in the sky for like five hours at a time.

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Yeah, what are you using? Like what is that thing using? Jamie, can you see the – right, cold fusion. Can you find the video of the disclosure today? It was –

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And everybody doesn't know what it is. No one's talking about it.

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Let's hear what this lady says.

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Well, they definitely were hobbyists too because there was hobbyists in Austin around that time. There was a ton of drones. It was like people were like, whoa, it's a drone party. Everybody was like – everybody with drones was just flying them around. Okay. Well, that kind of makes sense.

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It's a different administration.

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And then they didn't have a press conference about the results. Right. Which would have been – could it be that they wanted to see what happens when you fly things over a metropolitan area and you fly a bunch of drones over highly populated parts of the country?

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Well, the hobbyists are including themselves, right?

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And there's no recording devices.

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Especially if it's authorized.

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Correct.

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That was Wright-Patterson Air Force Base had to get closed down, right?

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What a shit design. You know what I'm saying? Imagine if you bought a Tesla and the wheels fly off when it rains out. You'd be like, what the fuck? You guys have this super advanced vehicle that you can come here from another planet and radar makes you crash? That kind of stuff makes people incredulous, right?

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Let me ask you this and tell me if this makes sense. If you were the government and you knew that there were non-human intelligence that were operating vehicles above our cities, would a way to sort of obfuscate that to launch a bunch of our drones as well? and have some shit that you could explain and then tell people, don't worry about it. It was just drones. It was our drones.

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Like, see, here's our drone. Here's a drone that crashed. Look, it's got propellers. Normal drone. Yeah, it's big, but it's normal.

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That one scared the shit out of me.

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In the ocean.

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Maybe they don't. Right. Maybe they have a much tighter control over their media so they don't have to obfuscate. They don't have to –

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If it's just ours. Yeah. Right. But if it's not ours and there's a bunch of shit flying around there and we want to confuse people, wouldn't you have a bunch of conventional drones and fly them low over city so people could clearly see them?

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I think there's still, look, assuming you guys are completely accurate about all this, if they have had this information for a long time, I would assume that there's a lot of pressure to never release it. I think there's probably a lot of problems with lying to Congress.

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lying to congress about budgets and allocation of resources for these programs that are all top secret like how have you done this what have you done who's responsible who made that call is that even legal and who are you that if you've been in contact with non-human intelligence and you have retrieved crafts who are you to keep that from the rest of the world exactly

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Especially if you're not officially – I mean you don't have the clearance to do what you're doing.

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Yeah, I would imagine that. But I would also imagine if you wanted to keep your job and if you have a high intelligence clearance and you're working for the government and you're a longtime career employee of the government, you want to keep moving up the ladder and keep your fucking mouth shut.

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And they're going to throw their whole life into a tizzy if they do that.

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Yeah. And what has it been like since then? Have you gotten support from more people than you thought you would? Or have more people thrown you under the bus than you expected?

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Because you've stepped out of line. That's what it feels like to me. Okay. Logan, have you experienced the same kind of situation? No.

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How many different versions of these life forms have been discussed with you?

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Are the tall whites like this one that you encountered, the one with the big eyes? Yes, yes, like that one. But that wasn't that tall, you said.

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It goes in and out of my brain.

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Oh, like a giant.

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So... And this was explained to him through some sort of telepathy?

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Is that on Google Earth? There is parts of it, yeah. Can we, like, look where the tall whites live?

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So the idea is that that's a base for them when they visit us?

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Yeah, there were two.

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So they're closer in the evolutionary chain to us than some of the other ones.

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Was there any sort of an explanation that anybody give you of why they don't want to talk about it?

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Well, every reptile here is evil. Right? You ever seen a Komodo dragon eat a goat?

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They're fucking monsters. Every single reptile is a monster that's here. There's not one cuddly reptile you can hang out with, cuddles with you, brings you your newspaper in the morning. No.

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One day it's going to eat you. You have a monster that you feed. And as long as you keep feeding, it won't eat you. People with pythons for pets, they're out of fucking minds.

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Yeah, a reptilian race that does that. It just makes you wonder about... human history about the stories of demons and angels and this is what Tucker Carlson believes that they've always been here and that this idea that they're coming from another planet is not it's not that simple no that's more complicated and he thinks that it's the demons and the angels from the Bible yeah

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Right.

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Or is there a place where the Yucatan impact never happens? And so those dinosaurs eventually evolved to become super intelligent.

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But wouldn't you think that it would have done that already? They were around for 100 million years, 200 million years. In that time period, they didn't evolve at all. Those fuckers, they just kept eating each other in the same way.

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This Eben thing that you talked about initially, this creature, what did that thing look like?

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So they had already described it. You just weren't privy to it. And so they were just going on the assumption that everybody who's talking about it knows.

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So it was like that was just not a topic. Got it. So this Eben, was it here against its will? Was it here to interact with us?

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It almost doesn't make sense to me because like if you're going to go visit an uncontacted tribe in the Amazon, you would assume that they have weapons. You'd assume they have bows and arrows. And if you got hit with an arrow, you'd be like, this is crazy. You know, I can't believe I got shot by an arrow. But you wouldn't be surprised that they have arrows.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

8771.25

And how many other stories that are similar to that, like the interactions and a thing being here with us, have you heard?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

8815.71

And what kind of portal are we talking about?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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And did they say where this thing was accomplished and how?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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Right, but the portal.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

8861.974

And did they say how the portal was made? Was this made by them?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

8878.667

Like a Stargate. Yeah. Like a real Stargate.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

8908.287

I don't want society to be destroyed.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

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Like you would probably write, hey, man, we should be real careful that they might have arrows. They might shoot us. So if you're visiting the human race and you're so advanced that in 1947 you can come here from wherever, another planet, another dimension, whatever you're doing, wouldn't you know about radar?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

8960.077

Do you know the Richard Nixon story?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

8973.887

That I definitely could see. And also, Jackie Gleason did become obsessed with UFOs afterwards and even had a house built in the shape of a UFO. It's a wild-looking house that was apparently for sale recently. Yes, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't in Palisades, was it? No, no, it was in upstate New York. It did look like a, it's a very bizarre looking house.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

8993.383

Like you see, you're like, why would Jackie Gleason build a, want to see it? Yeah, yeah. You look at it, you're like, why would Jackie Gleason build a house like this? But then you hear that story, you go, well, maybe that's why he did it. Because the word was that he had become obsessed with UFOs at one point in his life. And this story came out, I think, as told by his wife.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9013.18

This was Jackie Mason's house. Which is so weird.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9017.655

Spaceship-like house. Very strange. Very fucking strange.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9027.718

Or they were me.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9030.699

I've never had a UFO experience.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9043.783

Oh, really? Yeah, and it looks just like a UFO. I think there's a UFO house in California somewhere. I think there's one in the hills above Studio City. I think there's one. It's like a famous UFO house. I think they've filmed things. I think it's like on stilts, and it looks like a UFO. Mm-hmm. I mean, people are always going to want things that look like that.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9066.709

It doesn't necessarily mean that the Jackie Gleason, yeah, that one. That's in the Hollywood Hills. It's called the Chemosphere. That one actually is pretty cool. Fucking dope. That house is cool as shit.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9080.824

Stupid place to live.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9082.426

Yeah, you wouldn't want it as your main house.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9085.709

That's a house you visit every now and then when you want to get drunk. Let's get drunk at the UFO house. Or appreciate someplace private. Have a party. Have a little cocktail party at the UFO house.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9094.297

That's exactly how I treat it. Yeah, it's like fun. Yeah. But so the grays, the tall whites, the reptilians, but then there's the mantis too, right? Right.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9171.103

And did it make noise?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9174.445

And it was just flying through the air? Yeah.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9238.265

A hybrid meaning what?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9268.812

So this is the other thing that I keep hearing is that we are in possession of technology that is many, many years ahead of anything that anybody could anticipate. Correct.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9317.722

Other than the beings that we described, are there other ones that people have talked about?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9335.148

Like the tall whites or different?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9338.189

How many documented different species have you heard of?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9413.214

Now, is the conventional explanation that these things are from other planets or is there speculation that they're interdimensional? Is there speculation that they live in the water?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

945.014

All of a sudden this new technology and it causes their ship to crash.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9460.174

I've heard of a craft that you go inside of it and it looks like a couple hundred feet on the outside. You go inside of it and it's bigger than a football field. Yeah, Doctor Who style.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9506.007

Is the speed so fast that you can't track it with your eye?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

963.961

I treat this like a segment on the Arsenio Hall show. Things that make you go, hmm, I'm not sure. It just seems dumb. It just seems dumb that radar could take them out.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

976.065

But one of the things about the Virginia crash, which is another James Fox documentary, which is excellent, which is all about the crash in Brazil, which is heavily documented, including the guy who handled the body wound up dying of some unknown bacterial illness.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9770.303

One of the things that we keep hearing, Christopher Mellon's talked about this. Many people talked about this is there is evidence that's been classified. That is high resolution video and photographs. that are very distinct, very different than some of the blurry stuff that we've seen. Have you guys seen any of that?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9789.981

You have. Can you talk about it? Nope.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9865.233

They can do AI analysis of images now.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9880.499

And you're talking about a high resolution video.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9882.7

It's much clearer than the stuff we're seeing.

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

9885.242

And what's the resistance to that stuff getting out there to the general public?

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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

991.059

that they have no idea what it was and he was a young healthy guy he carried this supposedly carried this being put it in his patrol car took it to a hospital they wouldn't accept it had to take it to another hospital and then two weeks later this guy's dead and he just he got unbelievably sick there's nothing they could do to help him they flooded him with antibiotics all kinds of different things nothing worked he died very quickly

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

10342.279

The ponytails. She had the pigtails, the braids.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

10351.872

And she spoke in, like, a broken English, too. Yes, amazing. Yeah.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

10487.636

Fuck.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

10529.426

Let's see what you really got.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

10671.494

Why I ought to.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

11063.497

We thought it was your boyfriend. That's a whole creep.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

1538.57

15, no shit.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

1900.156

That attracts gay guys. That's the best draw. Chelsea Handler. They all get all these gay guys showing up.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

2101.389

Dude, because you get to hang out with a dude. You get to hang out. I would love to marry you. We would have such a good time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

2110.377

We'd have fun all the time.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

2117.983

You'd be like, shit.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

2199.124

I can fucking do it.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

256.633

The Joe Rogan Experience.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

3440.854

No, I think they gave him like five minutes. I don't know. He was in it.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

4233.357

And I go, you shouldn't fucking tell me that.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

4925.658

They weren't even making it.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

5107.708

They got axes on the edge of the water. That does not seem that thick.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

5960.148

Yeah.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

607.849

Yeah, right.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

788.62

Right.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

792.783

Okay.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

8179.162

That's great. He made good money. I mean, if you're going to spend money on something. Just buy new socks, throw them away.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

895.682

Ow! Ow! He had some poison ivy the next day.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

9129.794

World News. World News Report. Yeah, yeah. That's the one. Those were great. That was the best. Yes.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

9164.774

Hillary Clinton adopts alien baby.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

9204.257

But look at the bride. It's so clearly like a holograph. They didn't even try.

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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

9763.158

That's happened before.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

1100.719

So there's vaccine strain polio that just comes from a vaccine and is transmissible?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

114.772

Well, that whole idea of natural remedies is so just universally dismissed by non-silly people. When you say natural remedies, that's great. If you have a heart attack, go to a doctor, stupid. That's generally people's appeal to authority. But the doctor should be recommending those things too. They're good too. Like vitamin D, super important. Vitamin A, super important.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

1222.037

So what do they call it again? Can you say that word again?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

1274.185

Why? How does it affect it?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

1328.455

Do you think they're unnecessary? Or is there some times when people have to get their tonsils removed? Or is it just a nonsense practice?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

1410.697

Before we go to smallpox, I want to talk about this because you just brought it up. One of the things that Brett Weinstein has explained to me is that aluminum is when – the concept is that giving someone a shot with aluminum in it and triggering an immune response, if they're eating certain foods during that time, they can then develop –

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

143.43

And one of the things that you talked about in the book is that I think this is really important. When you were talking about the measles vaccine, you were saying that either if you get an infection with measles, just a natural infection, or if you get the vaccine, you're still going to get depleted of vitamin A. If you get vaccinated for the measles, you should be taking vitamin A as well.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

1440.703

an allergy to those foods, like certain people with peanuts and various things like that that used to be very common for people to eat, but then a bunch of people developed pretty severe food allergies. And he makes this connection that he believes it's a reasonable connection to say that there's something

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

1572.506

You're also talking in your book about the importance of breast milk and the amount of nutrition that's in breast milk for a child and what it does for a child. And the differences in their immune system, the differences in a lot of different aspects of their development, which is pretty fascinating. And most people kind of just assume it's food. It's just food. But it's a lot more than that.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

166.603

Your body's going to get depleted just by getting that shot. They don't tell you that.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

1751.358

I think you make a very compelling point for that. I just I think it's arrogant that we could assume that we could replace something with. I mean, we ever read the ingredients of formula. Like, how could that be good?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

1824.747

So the cows were all eating these pesticides.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

1828.268

And herbicides.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

1829.928

And the cows were getting sick with it. And then these people were drinking the milk from that cow and getting sick as well, eating the meat.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

2083.629

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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And do you think it's the immunity to any legal consequences that has allowed them to sort of operate like this?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

2550.322

Thank you.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

2893.922

But isn't it fascinating that they've done such a good job promoting this that people are going to get outraged at what you're saying? They've done such a good job.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

2903.408

And you've got a lot of courage. I want to commend you for that because writing that book and being here talking about it takes a lot of courage. And it's from regular people who want to believe the vaccine. They're scarier than anybody. The people that are just rabid vaxxers. And they want they stand for science like they're the warriors for science and they get very aggressive about it.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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And they don't even want to breach the subject. They don't even want to look at it because the more you look at it, if you're a logical, rational person without like a deep seated ideology attached to vaccines and you just look at the reality of it, you just go, what what is this? How did you trick people into injecting vaccines? How many a year now for kids? What is it?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

2951.703

That's insane. Yeah. And then you want to demonize anybody who says anything about vaccine side effects. You are the craziest of kooks. They come down to you with the hardest publicity campaign. It's... so transparent, you see it coming a mile away and you're still shocked by how blatant it is. And no one wants to look at the actual issue itself. And no one wants to say like, well, is she right?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

2980.231

If you read your book, is she right? If you're right and I think you're right, like we've been lied to and we've been tricked into thinking that this is all settled science. And that's what's infuriating. It's not that it's anti-science. It's like, this is not science. What you guys are doing is not science. You've subverted, you've perverted that notion. And you've done it in an amazing way.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3.993

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day you just said something that's like very important you can't be dogmatic when you're talking about vaccines or about anything

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3007.442

I mean, hats off to you. What they've done in terms of brainwashing people to believe that all this is... It's not just necessary, but it saved millions of lives. And anybody that is against it in any way, shape or form is a quack. And you should be deplatformed and never talked about again. And polite public society and cocktail parties will be shunned.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

31.966

Yeah. And especially if you know that that indoctrination has been on purpose and profitable. And, you know, one of the great things about your book is, first of all, your book's called Dissolving Illusions.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3339.145

That sounds like a religion.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3341.748

It sounds like a cult. It sounds like a crazy cult that the whole world's been sucked into. Giving a COVID shot to a baby today is insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3426.339

Nobody wants to think of it as a business. Nobody wants to think you're making business decisions at the expense of someone's health and possibly whether or not they make it. Like, what are you doing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3476.63

Those were the days.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3479.531

And this is also the time when this coincides with when Rockefeller was designing the school system, right?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3494.318

Yeah.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3496.359

No, but he did both, right? He was a part of both. So he was a part of the reason why natural cures are so easily dismissed and why it's so dismissed. Because Rockefeller put the entire medical establishment on oil-based.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3510.087

So all pharmaceutical drugs that are made by using oil.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3513.909

And he did it because he sold oil.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3529.437

Oh, wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3534.12

Mange is horrible for dogs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3538.163

I had a dog that I picked up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3542.461

I had a dog that I picked up off the street and took her in, and she had horrible mange. But it all went away with just food. I just gave her healthy food.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3555.906

Food.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3691.81

Subclinical scurvy in modern society. Oh, absolutely. Just from poor diet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3773.037

And what's really crazy is if you're one of those people that thinks that all you need is a balanced diet and you're eating like a piece of chicken and some lettuce. Yeah, like that. There's no vitamin C in any of that or not enough.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3788.072

If you're not consuming some sort of liposomal vitamin C supplement, if you're not taking something on top of that, you're probably not at an optimal level to survive anything. It's also part of why we have so many metabolic diseases. We have bad metabolic health. We have metabolic diseases. It should be super obvious.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3808.728

Like, oh, everyone's really unhealthy and doesn't have any nutrients in their system. And they're all getting really sick from all these different things. Huh. But everyone's like, no, you need medicine. You need a shot. You need this. You need that. You need to get on this. You need to get off that and get back on this.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3838.801

Nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3875.104

I said go to Bert Kreischer's house.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3905.137

Yeah, the wheat thing I used to think was nonsense until I ate pasta and bread in Italy. And I was like, okay, why do I feel so much better? Why do I not feel like I just ate poison? Because I love pizza. Yeah, who doesn't? I love lasagna. I love it. I love it. It's so good. But after it's over, I'm like – incapacitated for like an hour or two.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3931.793

For like a two-hour period, you're just like a shadow of yourself, just ugh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3942.637

I ate a whole pizza in Italy and I was waiting for it. I was like, I'm going to eat this margarita pizza. It's so good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3947.559

They made it in a brick oven. I was like, this is so good. I'm eating the whole pizza. I don't care. I don't care what it's going to feel like afterwards. I ate that whole pizza and then I was like, where is it? Is it coming?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3959.184

Never came. I felt normal. I felt like I just ate food. I was like, this is nuts. Like, no crash.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3967.17

That's what people used to eat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3970.333

I said, that's what people used to eat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3972.775

People need to understand, like, what they did was, and this is according to Maynard from Tool. Do you know Maynard Keenan, the lead singer of Tool?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

3982.242

He actually runs a farm. He has vineyards and he has like Caduceus is his wine label. And he's like really good at growing things because he has a restaurant. He was explaining to me that what they did is they just engineered it to have higher yield. So it's got more complex glutens in it. So it's not the normal organic wheat that grows in Italy where they don't have genetically modified crops.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

400.36

Have there been any instances where vaccines have been helpful?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4006.846

So you can still get that flour and you can still get that pasta from Italy and it's much more consumable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4013.751

But the American stuff is just... It's just your body's like, what is this? It just comes in like sludge.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4021.616

It feels like I ate glue. That's what it always feels like when it's over. Unless it's really good sourdough bread. That doesn't seem to have that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4033.193

Yeah. It's not good for you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4037.277

It's so delicious. But this is also a problem. And this goes back to when R.J. Reynolds was going through all their stuff with the lawsuits that were coming from people realizing, oh, my God, cigarettes give you cancer. They're not good to like smoke if you have emphysema. Right. I thought they were good for you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4054.674

There was a movie, and I forget what movie it was.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4060.518

Well, there's that. There was a movie where Leonardo DiCaprio was young and he was sick and his doctor was prescribing cigarettes to him. And the mother was saying, did you smoke your cigarettes that the doctor told you to? You're not smoking. You need to keep up your health. I'm like,

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4086.846

Well, also, doesn't nicotine kill COVID? Like people were saying that nicotine. No. So that's what it is. That's how it kills.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4118.533

What about like nicotine pouches?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4139.396

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4143.539

Pick up the cigar. Yeah, there you go. It's a wonderful habit. Yeah, that was an uncomfortable thing in the beginning of COVID. They were saying that for some reason, smokers seem to be having a much easier go of it. Like what? How do you have a respiratory disease where smokers are statistically speaking getting less COVID?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4177.843

It kind of makes sense if you think about it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4189.144

We're not encouraging cigarettes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4191.245

But we are saying it's got some benefits.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4197.067

Like those kind of deals?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4200.649

Does that help?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4214.811

American Spirit cigarettes are not healthier.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4218.637

It's marketed as natural and additive-free, which may lead people to believe that they are a safer option. However, there's no scientific evidence to support this claim. They may even have higher levels of nicotine than some other brands. But the nicotine is not the problem. That's exactly right. Just by them saying that there, that leads me to think that this might be propaganda.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Because saying that nicotine is not the problem, that's – Who is our source? Or rather saying that they might have more nicotine.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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But I understand. But AI should understand that nicotine – Ask Tony Hinchcliffe. He smokes them. I know. I know he does. I'm just saying AI doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense is that it's saying they might have more nicotine, but that doesn't matter. They're not addressing the actual question.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Oh, no, no, no. I'm not saying to you. I'm just saying to them. What they're writing seems to kind of be silly. Marketing of American spirits as natural can create a false sense of healthiness. which may make it more difficult for people to quit smoking. I think smoking companies wrote this. I think the other companies fed this information.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4285.11

Oh, in England, you get those?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4286.771

Oh, they have it in America here?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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In England, you'd go to England and they had photos of people with rotten faces.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4298.857

Well, the interesting thing is – and I'm glad you brought this up – is just cancer in general. Like there's things that cause cancer that – they're just everywhere. And there's a lot of things in the environment that can cause cancer. But sometimes things get into medications that can cause cancer. And what is – What is SV40?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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I know I've talked about on the podcast a bunch of times, but you you also highlight a lot of things that we know are beneficial that somehow or another get lumped into nonsense, like even cinnamon.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4579.517

So SV40 is now contagious amongst people? Absolutely, yeah.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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It's just such a disturbing thought that this was introduced to people through vaccines and now is spreading. And what's the worst health impact that it could have if it spreads to you and not through a vaccine? If you didn't get it through this vaccine and you just get it from another person?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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How could they keep injecting that into people if they know this?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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It's like real-world demons. It's so crazy that someone would know this and still have this as an ingredient in a vaccine.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Have there ever been a comparison of pre-cancer rates, pre-SV40 and post-SV40?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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And that was not common.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

4895.293

It's just too horrible to believe for most people, I think. And then also- Yes, you're correct. It goes against religious dogma, especially with people that are firmly on the left, trusting the science and trusting the experts. Those are two things at the front.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Thank you.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Thank you.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

568.16

I think we should break down step by step. What about polio?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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What was bizarre to me was that there was this narrative that you were going to get it no matter what.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Yeah. Well, this was before the vaccine was even around. There was this talk that there's no way to not get it. Like if it's around you, it's so contagious, you're going to get it. And that's why I was shocked that I didn't get it when my whole family got it. Like I said, I didn't isolate at all. I did it on purpose. And I had two days in the gym where I was sluggish.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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And so I was like, I feel kind of tired today, but a weird tired. So I'm just going to go through the motions. I just like really light workout. And the next day I felt the same thing. Like, yeah, another light workout. Let's just take it easy. No need to push it. Just got to break a little sweat, never stressed myself. And then the next day, I felt great. I felt 100%.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Like I started working, I was like, oh, I feel good. And then I was fine. I was like, okay, I guess I didn't get it. And then everyone in my family recovered. And then I went from there to a couple months later, I was doing this gig in Florida. And I was up with my friend John Shoman, who's a pool, he makes pool cues. Shout out to John, good friend of mine.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

5841.259

And we were playing pool until like 5 o'clock in the morning. And I had like five margaritas, and we were having a good old time and laughing a lot. And then that night I was like, oh, I don't feel so good. But it was alcohol and no sleep and playing pool and big shows and giant arenas and flying on jets and being tired all the time. That's what it was. And then I got sick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

5865.207

But even then, it was like a couple days.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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A few months.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

5873.776

Yeah, it was a few months because by that time the vaccine had been out. And this was, I guess, the Delta, which was everybody was like, this is a bad one. The Delta is a bad one.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

5884.188

Yeah. It was a shocking time for me because before that, I never would have guessed in a million years that I would be even questioning other vaccines. I would have never guessed that. I would have told you that vaccines are one of the most important inventions in human history. And it saved us from polio. It saved us from smallpox. I would have been that guy, ranting off all those statistics.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

5906.703

I would have told you that. But then I read your book. Sorry. Sorry. I read Robert F. Kennedy's book. I read your book, and I started reading Turtles All the Way Down, which is really interesting because they wrote another book called Turtles All the Way Down, and someone else published it that has almost the identical cover, and that book is a pro-vaccine book. They literally hijack.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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They're like, what do we do? Oh, this is what we do. We fucking confuse the shit out of people, make one with the exact same cover. Exact same cover, exact same name. Wow. And they made it a pro-vaccine book. It's kind of wild. I mean, it's really kind of ingenious. Like, what a great way to, like, flood the market with bullshit. And the RFK Jr. book was bananas.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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I mean, people had told me to read it, and my initial thought— Which one, the Fauci book? Yes. Yeah. My initial thought was, that's that guy that's like that anti-vaccine kook. That's what I thought. And I've apologized to him for that. When I talked to him on the podcast, I said to him, I said, I succumbed like everybody else did to the casual narrative. What's the casual narrative?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Oh, that RFK guy's a kook. Talks weird. Got a weird voice.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Read the book. To explain to someone the whole DDT connection and the fact that livestock was getting polio. This is the thing. Dogs don't get polio. They don't get human-derived polio. It doesn't cross species. But they were getting paralytic polio symptoms because they were getting poisoned by DDT. Right? That was a big part of the whole thing that was very confusing.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. That's so crazy. And it was all a mutant man-made virus. The man-made virus thing is... It was a wound-up virus.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6107.204

So man-made to the final form. That's just crazy that that's a thing that we do. Because if this gain-of-function research was so important, wouldn't you have a cure ready? They did. You've been studying this for so long, but it didn't really cure it, right? Oh, cure. I mean, wouldn't you have something that stops it dead in its tracks?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Right.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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The most shocking aspect of getting attacked and like all the CNN stuff to me was that no one had any interest in why I recovered so quickly. Because if this is supposed to be this death sentence and there's no treatment and then I'm a guy in my 50s and I got over it quick and then no one cared at all about that. All they wanted to do is mock this idea that I was taking veterinary medicine.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Which I wasn't. But it was just the fact that they used that term, horse dewormer, on every TV show. Like, wow, this is, it's wild to watch the machine. It's uniquely wild when it's coming after you. And you're like, but this is like such a dumb checkers play. I'm like, this is so stupid. I'm still doing my podcast, you fucking idiots.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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And like, everyone's going to know that you put a green filter over my face. I'm going to show everybody that. You think you're just going to get away with that? No, you're going to like lose all of your credibility, you idiots. It was just so fascinating to watch this distorted understanding of what America is willing to believe or the world is willing to believe.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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You're only preaching to the converted. The super hardcore, closed-minded, converted people. Everyone else knows you guys are a joke now. And that's the good part of getting through COVID. The good part of this enormous gaslighting experience that we all just went through, where people are finally, after four years, apologizing to friends for calling them a plague rat.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Literally, it got down to that, where friends couldn't be friends with people anymore because they weren't vaccinated. And people are kind of like realizing like, oh, my God, not only did I get COVID more than anybody else because I got three shots. Like I had a friend telling this. He goes, I got COVID more than everyone I know. And I had all three shots.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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He's like, I got COVID eight fucking times. And we're like, how many times did you get it? And everybody that got it naturally was like, I got it once. Maybe I got it. I got it twice. But the second time I got it, it was literally a sniffy nose. Just literally. And I was joking because we used to test everyone, including the guests. Everyone that came here, we tested for COVID. And I was joking.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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I'm like, maybe this is it. Maybe I got it again. And she's like, you actually got it. I was like, no way. This is COVID? And it never got worse. It stopped right there. That was it. One day. One day of a sniffly nose. And then a couple days later, I said, all right, let's try and get tested again. See if we can still do another podcast. And that was good. But I had to cancel a podcast.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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You're not allowed. But the fact that... That's the thing. It's like there's real science behind all the things you talk about in your book in terms of like the nutritional aspects of healthy foods being an important factor in your immune system. Healthy, we were talking about juices and vegetable juices and all the different times that it's helped people overcome certain diseases and diseases.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Vitamin A and cod liver oil, which also has vitamin A, which was always prescribed to people that were sick. All these things, this is real science. There's real science in nutritional supplementation and the effects it has on the immune system. And there's real science in nutritional deficiencies and what a negative impact it has. This is all real.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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This is the one that everybody points to. We don't have crippled kids.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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And if they truly cared about you, they would be telling you about that as a primary way of defending your body against disease. and against all sorts of things that could go wrong. All sorts of things. Like, get fit, eat healthy, and you're above everything. Take supplements, you're above everything.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Like, you're in the top 1% of people that are going to do great in life when it comes to getting sick. Just that. Because most people don't do that. So you have, like, what percentage of people, like, really eat healthy and really try to exercise on a regular basis? Is it even 10? Is it even 10% of us?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Let's just have a guess nationwide and see if there's a chart, see if there's a statistic. Let's guess what percentage of people eat healthy, take vitamins, and exercise regularly. I say 10%. What do you think?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

647.574

When you look at the historical timeline of polio, what do you think caused it to go, to essentially not be a problem anymore? You don't think vaccinations had anything to do with that?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Yeah. But a lot of people, like, you know, even though they have a hard job, they still realize, like, I got to go to the gym for work and just just get it in. Because if I don't, I won't have any energy. I'm better off this way. I know it sucks, but just do it. There's like people that have enough discipline to do that. So I would give it. I think it's one out of 10. That's what I think.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6510.331

What do we got, Jamie? I mean.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6515.156

What about AI? Run that shit through chat.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6533.523

Right. But let's see what she says.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6536.567

Let's just for funsies. Let's just say.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6545.399

That's good if that's true. That's really good. I wouldn't think that's true, though. I don't buy that.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6550.142

Yeah, I don't buy that. That's written by a supplement company.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6567.472

Sure.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6569.394

There's also a problem with cross-contamination. One of the things that we found out when we were selling AlphaBrain is that in the beginning when we would hire a lab to make the formula for us, like so you have like a list of ingredients and then they put together this thing which is a nootropic. We'd find stuff in there that we didn't have in there. And it was from their bins.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6594.295

So it's like, why is vitamin B12 in this? Like, why is this in that? Why is that? And it's just because that's the same factor, manufacturing place where they make all kinds of stuff, creatine and all kinds of supplements.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6607.619

Okay, likely less than 10%. Okay, if you're talking about people who consistently do all three, it drops significantly. Less than 10%, maybe even closer to 3% to 5%, depending on how strict your definition of healthy is. Yeah. That was a good guess.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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When you first decided to write this book, how much apprehension did you have? Zero. Zero. You were just fully convicted to get this idea out.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6766.585

Yeah, sure.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

6960.796

It's been out there for a while. The Jonas Salk thing was also wild. I thought Jonas Salk was this genius that created this incredible virus to save humanity.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7077.381

That's funny.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7079.383

If you give us money, you'll get credibility.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7082.164

Let us take a part of your successful business that you've worked on for five years or four years.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7088.368

That would be sweet.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7089.809

What a great deal. And then I'll have prestige behind my name.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7093.772

I've been published by a real company. When was the last time you looked at a book and said, let me check who published this?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7100.457

Right. Maybe make sure. Somebody recommended this book.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7104.459

I have never heard of this publisher. This is outrageous.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7110.143

Oh, Jacques Vallée. Jacques Vallée is probably the most interesting UFO researcher that I've ever talked to. He's the guy that was – do you remember the French scientist? Do you remember Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Did you see that movie?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7124.927

Do you remember there's a French scientist on the ground that's coordinating with the army and explaining to everybody what's going on? Okay. That French scientist is modeled after this guy. This guy has been following UFOs since like the 50s or the 60s? Did he say the 50s? I mean – Like, a long time. He's an older gentleman, but he's fascinating. Okay. And he's very rational.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7147.663

When he talks about it, it's like he is very objective in what's nonsense and what's true and what we can't explain. It's a fascinating subject.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7162.193

Yeah. Well, for the longest time, it was a ridiculed subject subject. It didn't have the same societal impact as being a vaccine skeptic or an anti-vaxxer. With that pejorative, they've done an incredible job of scaring people into just falling in line. Because if you question it and someone said, oh, did you know he's an anti-vaxxer?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7187.406

That's all you need to hear. And you're going to get it after this podcast. And I've already gotten it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7210.801

Well, they'll definitely be the usual suspects that will be doing that. But has anyone ever tried to sit down with you and have a conversation publicly about this and refute it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7225.319

No one's offered?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7251.07

Right. That makes sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7256.757

And there's an anxiety aspect to that. And, you know, there's a lot of adrenaline and emotions. And, yeah, it's a skill.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7275.459

It does.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7276.32

It does. It's super unfortunate. And it's really transparent when it's about a serious subject. Like, why do you have to attack someone's...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7283.742

who they are make make it ridicule them instead of just refuting the facts or or laying out your case it just doesn't make sense that anybody who's right would do that that's not what you do when you're right that's what you do when you're trying to ridicule people and you're usually trying to ridicule people because you need an edge you know it's like a bully they're like if you see fighters like like a like a UFC fighter in his prime like Anderson Silva's one of the

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7312.134

If someone got in his face and tried to intimidate him, it would be kind of hilarious because he was the best fighter in the world. So he wouldn't even have to do it back. He could just smile at you. And that's sort of the same here. When you're ridiculing someone, like right off the bat, a bunch of...

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7329.334

you know add homonyms about that person you're trying to diminish that person to set up your argument as being superior because you're the superior intellect and you're doing that because you don't feel like you're on level playing field and so you want to try to do something to push them off make fun of them in some sort of way instead of just like laying out your version of what reality is lay out your version if you're so strong if you're so correct it should be super easy to do

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7444.077

Well, you certainly will get a better result if you do get the disease that way. The idea that you could just ignore everything but a medication is so silly. The only reason why you would do that is if that's the only way you made your money. And that's really – especially if you're in the vaccine business and you have an enormous ad budget and you're sponsoring all the television networks.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

745.985

Yeah.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7613.394

Sanjay Gupta.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7632.488

Does the shingles vaccine work?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7656.599

I got chicken pox when I was a kid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7664.146

We'd go over kids' houses if they had chicken pox.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

768.808

Did you dive into pesticides?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7753.999

So can you explain how a vaccine is manufactured? How could they not know all the different stuff that's in it? Who? Let's talk about how the SV40 got in there. So you need something alive. You need some sort of tissue from a living creature in order to grow these things.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

7793.26

You were talking about tetanus earlier, and you kind of glossed over it, but you didn't finish up. You were saying that tetanus itself, you started, like, Googling and, like, reading about tetanus itself.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

786.665

And also, weren't the first cases, did they break out in a rural community?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

792.735

In the United States, paralytic polio.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

852.102

I read this crazy statistic, and I still can't believe it's real, that 95 to 99 percent of all polio is asymptomatic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

87.979

I dismissed all that stuff as total nonsense. I was like, oh, that's hippie nonsense, like echinacea, like get out of here. It's hippie nonsense. Garlic, come on, get out of here. Then the more I've read things, especially like garlic is incredible for staph infections for some reason.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

8945.922

Well, it took a lot of courage to step out of line and speak your mind, and I'm really glad you did because I hope more will realize that this is what a doctor is supposed to do. And you're not supposed to be a spokesperson for an industry that's pretty sociopathic, which makes some – Great strides. Look, there's a lot of amazing orthopedic surgeons and eye surgeons and neurosurgeons.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

8973.396

There's a lot of amazing work being done by medicine. But then there's also the pharmaceutical drug company, which when attached to that and to the money people, they want to make more money every time they can. Every quarter, they want to have a bigger quarter. They want a bigger house. They want a bigger jet. And they just keep going. And the way to get money is to get you to take their stuff.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

8996.384

It's not to heal you. The way they really make money is to convince you that you're sick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

9005.472

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

9010.267

You shouldn't be shamed for getting better from some other way. That wouldn't be a thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

9016.208

That wouldn't be a thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

9017.889

Yeah, it's pretty weird. Well, thank you very much for doing what you do and for writing that book because it was a real eye-opener for me. I had no idea. I had no idea of the history of these things. I had no idea of the correlations between when the vaccine was induced and when the death rates had already dropped down. I didn't know all that stuff until I read your book.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

9039.774

I do not remember. I don't remember. Somebody recommended it.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

9043.895

And you read it. Yeah.

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

9046.856

Well, it's a page turner. You know, it's I listen to it in my car, too. And I listen to it in the sauna. It's one of those books that you kind of have to go over it a couple of times just to sort of digest it and go. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Wait, hold on. Apple cider vinegar they were using to stop people from getting smallpox?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

9069.947

Like what the fuck is that? How is that real? Like doctors were saying that they were treating people with smallpox and they didn't worry about getting it because they were consuming apple cider vinegar multiple times a day. And it actually worked?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

9123.692

What do the new 200 pages cover?

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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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And so do they say what they see or how they see it? Like if someone writes something down, do they see the word or do they know it?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

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Yeah, in a bizarre way. If the mother doesn't know what it is and the child does, that's strange.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

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Whoa.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

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Because autism and blindness, it's a huge impediment, especially nonverbal autism and being blind. How do you learn anything? So you would assume that there's something wrong with the child when really there's just a lack of the ability to communicate.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

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Do they have an understanding of what it is?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

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Have you ever seen this young blind boy that uses echolocation and he can ride a skateboard and move around? How bizarre is that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

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Very nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well. I really loved your series, the telepathy tapes. I had long suspected that there was some sort of a way to prove that there's something going on. There's no way that that would be a thing for so long that people would talk about telepathy

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1316.1

Also- But when you're missing a sense, your other senses are stronger. This has always been a suspicion. I think that's been proven. Is that correct? Yeah. That people are better at hearing things if they're blind or seeing things if they're deaf.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1373.199

In the wackiest of conspiracy theories when people talk about the government's connection to alien intelligence, that they recruit these nonverbal autistic kids because they're the ones who can communicate with aliens. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

1390.233

No, I don't believe that either. No, it's the wackiest of conspiracy theories. But the idea being that if you were the government, you would look for someone who is extraordinary in that they... They're more open to this ability to interact than we would be. They do not have the burden of feeling foolish.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1415.97

They don't have the burden of societal constraints that we've kind of culturally put on the idea of alien life being able to communicate with them.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1436.947

That's the first thing you think about. People think about that. If someone's extraordinary, could the government – like the X-Men.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

1446.668

That's what everybody worries. Yeah.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1459.992

And even if they know what that means, that's the problem. You say you want to be out there. Do you know what that means?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1479.384

Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the problem is if they were used and didn't know what they were doing, you know. They would know.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1491.051

Interesting. When you first started, was there stages of acceptance for you with these ideas? Yeah. What was the first stage?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1599.006

And these are nonverbal kids?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1602.112

Non-speakers. So what is the difference between non-verbal and non-speakers?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1658.624

control their body and imagine how frustrating that would be yeah um so these people they're they're non-verbal and when you say that they can speak portuguese they they understand portuguese they do they write it like how how does this manifest itself

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

1720.908

So they had to just... Which is wild already. Yeah. Like you have to worry about this kid reading your mind. It might be bullshit.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1745.098

Wow. All of them 100% accurate?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1748.14

Wow.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1751.562

What the hell is going on there?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1754.203

What is that?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1757.145

That is, that's beyond bizarre. Did you give her cuneiform?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1858.887

What does that mean? Is that the Akashic record? Is this child pulling from all the information that's in the ether? How would you be able to read a dead language? What percentage of the human population can read that without AI? Without assistance. It's got to be tiny. It's remarkable.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

1930.408

Yeah, I read about a guy who got assaulted and all of a sudden he could do complex geometry.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

199.349

When you say spiritual gifts, what do you mean by that?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2023.435

These children that can read things, are they typing it out like on an iPad? Are they writing it physically? How do they do it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2063.109

So there's varying levels of ability in terms of using your body.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2125.147

There's still no influence on the words or letters being chosen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2129.15

No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2254.683

Right. This touch is not guiding them towards specific letters. This touch is just an affirmation just to help them relax, to help them connect. Yeah.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2278.578

You know, it would be really interesting to get them in front of some scripts that are very difficult to read. That's why I brought up Cuneiform and Sumerian and maybe even that crazy Voynich manuscript. You know what that is? No. The Voynich Manuscript is a book that is of an unknown language. Okay. And it's highly detailed, and they don't know what it is. They don't know the language.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2306.09

They don't know if it's a fraud.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2308.413

This is the Voynich manuscript. They don't know when it emerged. There's a lot of suspicion that someone created it and tried to pass it off and sell it as an ancient language in a book. But then some people disagree with that because they think that the way the words are constructed seems to be in some sort of a uniform way. It's not gibberish. It's not nonsense.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2336.588

But they do not know what it says. Obviously, I don't know jack shit about ancient languages, so I'm not the right person to be determining who's correct and who wants it to be correct. So they're saying that.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2351.601

What is the current state of... Yeah, let's see what it says. Whether they think it's real. Is there like a synopsis on what people think is? There's facsimiles. Interesting. Okay. University of Bristol subsequently removed a reference to Cheshire's claims from its website. What is the website? Cheshire published its translation in the fold-out illustration in 2023.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2380.052

He claims it depicts a volcano, theories that it places a manuscript's creator near the island of Volcano. which was an active volcano during the 15th century. However, experts in medieval documents disputed the interpretation vigorously, approached for comment. Lisa Fagan Davis gave this explanation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2399.104

As with most would-be Voynich interpreters, the logic of this proposal is circular and aspirational. He starts with a theory about what a particular series of glyphs might mean, usually because the words proximity to an image that he believes can interpret... Okay, so they don't buy that this...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2436.727

Yeah. Wow. Imagine if you can get that in front of a nonverbal kid and he's like, oh, I know what that is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2445.431

Yeah. Jesus wrote this. Oh, he said he's coming back in August. Like whatever it is. I mean, there's just the fact that the child can read hieroglyphics is insane. I would love to see like cuneiform or Sumerian in particular.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2460.879

We had an ancient language scholar named Wes Huffon, and he was explaining how a lot of these interpretations were of the Sumerian text, which is the oldest version of a lot of these biblical stories, in fact. He was like, I can't read it. He goes, I can read all these different languages, but this one is so different than all the others. And it doesn't have anything that's like it.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2485.718

Like a lot of these other languages, you can find similarities in the way they're structured, the way the sentences are structured. There's none of that with Sumerian. It's like, this is a wacky language. Yeah. He's like, I can't read it. And he was brilliant. Yeah. So when you talk to a guy like that, who's humble about it, but also like very well read. Yeah.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2503.973

And he's like, I don't know what's going on. Give that to the kid. So interesting. Yeah. I mean, it seems like there's a lot of opportunity to really get into that with these nonverbal kids. If you find one that is there more than one that has this ability to do this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2559.879

Wow. Yeah. And is there like even the most out there theory about what's going on?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2599.993

Well, that is our version of telepathy. We make noise with our mouth and then you can read my mind.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2606.721

Yeah, kind of. Kind of. I mean – In a clumsy way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2655.106

It does. Yeah, it does. It's hard to grasp, but it makes sense. Are you aware of the history of research in ayahuasca?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2668.717

One of the more interesting aspects of it is when scientists first discovered it and discovered its properties and they did experiments on it, they wanted to call one of the ingredients telepathy. Telepathy. But due to the rules of scientific nomenclature, they realized that it had already been named harmine. So this harmine is one of the ingredients.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2690.973

It's in one of the plants that's used to make this brew. But when the scientists explored this and started experimenting with it, it was somewhere in the early 20th century. They realized that they could read each other's minds and that they were communicating and that they were having a shared experience that seemed to be completely mental.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2713.49

But independently, they all verified the exact same thing. And so that's why they wanted to name it telepathy, which is a way more fun word than harmony. Way more fun. Yeah. But this idea that we need something to access this dormant part of what is human consciousness.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2758.868

we're way more mental there is a non-physical world that that is out there yeah there's something yeah and this is this work and thomas campbell's work and there's a bunch of people who are considering this now which i always wonder like if you get an enormous number of people that change that have a shift in the way they view reality itself like what impact does that have on reality

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

280.122

So do you think that this is an emerging aspect of human consciousness? Or do you think perhaps this is something maybe we had before we were verbal that we've lost, but that lays dormant, like that we don't need it. So like a muscle, it atrophies.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2822.41

I don't understand. Why would that mess with spelling?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2874.515

Oh, I think that's coming, whether we like it or not.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2950.568

And it just doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah. Like why would any I don't understand why spelling would even get involved in this.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

2959.795

Like spelling is universally accepted as being important.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

2981.45

But is that just a funding issue?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3008.085

Why would they say... I don't understand. What is the argument that spelling is pseudoscience?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3025.425

So spelling is pseudoscience for nonverbal people or non speakers, I should say.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3036.036

And they're only saying this because of the touch, the ability to touch people while they're doing it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3047.714

So this is why it was confusing. You're saying spelling... In regards to nonverbal people. I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3068.45

So they're going by this old concept, right? that it's impossible to have any sort of psychic ability. So if you're proving psychic ability through spelling, this is obviously bullshit without any examination of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3086.508

Back to what we were talking about before, that they don't want to be foolish.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3166.587

Got it. So you're just using the term spelling in a different way. Yes. Most people are accustomed. That's why I wanted to clarify. Yes, yes, yes. Super confused.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

3175.493

It's so that seems like that's on them. I mean, if there's evidence that it works like they should be brought up and people should say, like, what you're doing is a disservice, like a huge disservice for for whatever reason, for your own ego, for your own.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

3251.594

There we go. Insurance. Mm-hmm.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

3254.035

To get to the root of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3255.555

Yeah. The industry.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

3298.176

It's bizarre.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3301.698

And it's just, it makes sense when you connect it to insurance and money in an industry. That's where it gets gross. They're against the competitors. Yeah. Which is probably truth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3336.725

Right. Of course. God, it's always the root of it all. You get to it, there's someone who's profiting and doesn't want to stop profiting. Yeah. Yeah. And the whole industry of a bunch of people working and yuck. So- You first recognize that there is some sort of an ability. When do you start expanding your idea of what children can and can't do? What what what they can and can't see?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

3368.897

Like when when does it get to where you're at now? So like spiritual gifts, when you start accepting those kind of things.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

3386.731

Do you remember like the first one that made you reconsider or consider?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

34.813

certain moments where people could read people's minds or certain moments where there was something that was being exchanged that wasn't verbal, it wasn't facial expressions, it wasn't body language, there was something going on. And the telepathy tapes, excuse me, the telepathy tapes, essentially proved it. But what has been, has there been pushback about this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

344.748

People like to dismiss that as being just coincidence, but why do people want to dismiss everything? That's the problem. I think the real fear is being a fool. That's the fear, which is why... The problem with any sort of telepathy or any sort of psychic ability, the problem is there's so many charlatans and so many people get duped and it's really common. I mean it's so common it's everywhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3497.011

How often do you see the language thing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3515.504

Are there any other data points that would indicate that someone would be more likely to have these language skills? Is there any factors about these individuals like the differences in their conditions or the environment in general?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3648.044

Yeah, certainly. And I think skepticism and cynicism is probably also contagious. You probably feel that that negative doubting energy, which is very suppressing, you know, just like and if you're already nonverbal and you're already like dealing with a lot of other stuff like that negativity on top of it, you probably not want to. Even try. Right. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3674.085

I think just negative feelings. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3678.927

Yeah. What do you do? You think this is something that you have?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3687.312

I mean, have you have you tried to encourage it in yourself or have you tried to explore it? Um, well, uh, cause I would imagine if I was doing this work, I'd be like, let me see if I can do this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

373.506

You see these psychic palm reading signs everywhere you go. And because of that, it's in the realm forever of nonsense. And if you believe in nonsense, you're not a person to be taken seriously.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3855.754

This teacher, did they explain what the sensation was like, like hearing the words in their head? Like, how did they how did they receive these things?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

387.614

So if you're a scientist and you're studying human neurochemistry and you're studying neuroscience, there's no way you're going to support this unless it's just beating you over the head with overwhelming evidence. Then perhaps you say, maybe there's something here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3873.381

Was she hearing that she interpreted as the child's voice? Was it a child's sound?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3955.482

It's so cool, but it's also because of the cultural restrictions that we have put on the idea of telepathic communication. Even while you're saying this, I'm so fascinated and I believe it for sure. Part of me is like, shut up. You know what I mean? It's like that part of you is strong.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

3976.681

And I wonder if that part of us, unfortunately, because of all the charlatans and because of the cultural restrictions on just the concept of telepathy, I wonder how much of that holds us back. Because there's some things that you do know and you don't know why you know them.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

3996.698

You know, and if you're a person who goes on instincts, you'll follow those instincts and you go, I have no idea how I knew that was the right thing to do. But it was.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4102.687

And also very few people engage with nonverbal people. So for this to be this very bizarre thing. sort of strange phenomena that's happening with these people, you would have to be in that experience with those people to even be able to appreciate what's going on.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

4125.769

I think most people, you know, we're so accustomed to talking, we're so accustomed to typing things out and communicating the way we do normally that we don't even think about what the experience is like for both the parents and the child. And that this is a completely different way of living.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4144.653

So whatever these innate abilities that we may have, of course, they would be the ones who would have them. It kind of makes sense that they would be the ones that would be so tuned into us. Whereas us, we're sort of probably drowning those thoughts, even if they do exist. We're drowning them off with language, with cultural expectations, with social media, with news.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

4168.484

Yeah, with everything. With all this, we're bombarded. We're never even alone with our thoughts anymore. Right. We're just bombarded constantly 24-7. Yeah. I mean this is the number one criticism about social media is that it's shaping your mind in a way that you're not even asking. You really don't have agency over it. You're just constantly being bombarded with data.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

4187.674

And that data, whether you like it or not, even if you're objective, it's changing the way you interface with the world. These people aren't experiencing any of that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4207.252

They're not engaging. Yeah. They're not engaging.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4216.217

Well, beyond, right? Yeah. Because it changes the way we think about human beings. It changes what our potential is. I've always thought that it was an emerging aspect of human consciousness. But then as time has gone on, I think – I start to think probably more than that. It probably has always been there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4239.486

Animals have weird abilities that we don't understand, like the ability that birds have to navigate. We don't understand what that is. We don't understand how they're doing that. But we know they do it. And they have also – there's some ability that animals have to read electrical signals, to read magnetic signals. What's going on there? What are they doing? It's remarkable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4309.419

Right. The bird one's the wildest, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4313.72

And then the school of fish is essentially the same thing, but in the water.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4416.522

Yeah, like our feet aren't the same shape anymore because we don't walk barefoot. Our feet have atrophied and gotten withered and twisted and weak. And that's one of the reasons why people wear barefoot shoes, right? Because they want to engage their toes. And if you don't, your foot atrophies and becomes weird. It just makes sense that your mind or these...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4437.416

the abilities of consciousness would also atrophy because they're never used because it's so easy to communicate with words. And so, and it's the, and also you're dealing with other people manipulating those words and trying to decipher whether or not this is true or not.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4502.088

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4504.889

Yeah. It's really weird to look at it in reverse, though, for me, because like I said, I did think it was an emerging aspect. But now I think it's probably not. It's probably something that's been buried by our technology or our progress. Yeah. What we think is progress. It's easier to communicate with people with noises and saying that. But we're probably missing something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4527.918

This thing that used to be a part of us and it comes in these little blips, little weird waves, especially heightened anxiety or heightened, you know, anytime you're stimulated in some sort of a way, which makes sense why with psychedelic drugs, which dissolves the ego, you would have more of those. Right. Right. Right. So have you tried to expand your ability in any way?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4555.282

Have you tried to meditate and try to find where that is inside your consciousness?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4598.802

Yeah. Yeah. The response has been insane. The telepathy tapes shot to the top of the charts. Everybody was talking to me about it and sending it to me before I ever wound up listening. It's got to be gratifying in some sort of way that at least people are responding to this and they're very excited about it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4719.375

Yeah, I'm glad you decided to follow that instinct because the podcast is the perfect way to do it because podcasts are easily shareable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4726.459

So that's how things really get out there. Someone tells you about it. You tell other people about it. You go on a podcast, tell people about your podcast. And that's that's what starts it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4752.16

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4754.622

Also, it's fascinating. And that's what you really want out of a podcast other than humor. You want it to be fascinating. You want it to lock in and excite you. And that certainly does that. And I think most people want to believe, you know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4793.866

Yeah. Well, it certainly seems like it. So what, so has the film started? Have you, where are you at right now?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

4886.972

He teaches in the telepathic chat room?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

5093.377

But they all call it the same thing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

5127.342

And have they verified that people who are communicating in this hill are actually communicating with these individuals?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

5173.446

And they also say they go to the Hill.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

5180.475

have you tried to corroborate actual distribution of information, actual communication? Have you done that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

5248.193

And why is it the hill? Why do they call it the hill universally?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

5254.574

He named it. How do the other kids name it? I think they're all saying it as well, though, right? They're all saying the same term.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

5266.056

So you think that child, Houston, he named it and then everybody else accepted that name.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

5273.198

He didn't hear it from someone else.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

5276.178

That's the question, right? What is the name? Like, why on the hill?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

5290.292

I wonder what they're seeing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

5380.734

Open.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

5384.417

Right. Completely pure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

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And this person who's typical, a regular person, got in there. Had they had any experience in the past with any form of telepathy before this?

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Right. But the weird thing is like if this does, I mean, I'm sure you've opened up a lot of people's minds to this. And again, if this expands and then we all agree that this is a thing and that this is a possible thing and then people start trying to figure out what it is and develop methods to try to tap into that, this could be a profound change in just society as a whole. Yeah. Yeah.

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But what's kind of cool... What's going on in your head that you're so worried about?

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Well, that's... How about clean your brain out?

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Yeah. What's going on in your head that you don't want everybody to know? Totally. Like, what are your terrible thoughts?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think it's the concept of it, too. And also the concept – I think there's a thought that if someone can read your mind that you're more vulnerable, that you can't protect yourself. Like, you know, like if you're like, oh, this person's creepy, let me get away from them. Oh, you think I'm creepy? You know, like that kind of thing. Like that you won't be able to just like avoid people.

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Right.

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Right. The problem is, like, what if people get really good at that? Like, what if it expands and then people are just entering into your thoughts all the time? I think technologically that's going to happen anyway.

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You know, it's one of the things that Elon has said about this Neuralink device that they're enabling. He said you're going to be able to talk without words.

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The real thought, the real scary thing is that there are a lot of people out there in this world that... do not have thoughts of love and unity. They're damaged, hurtful, evil people, and they want to destroy everything around them, and that those people could acquire this ability. But would they be able to? This is the thing.

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It's like, has there been any evidence that evil people have been able to acquire this ability?

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It is. It's a really good description.

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So it's almost like they're tapping into some laws of the universe or laws of reality that we kind of know by trial and error. Yeah. But we don't. We don't. I mean. All you need is love. You know, this is always love is a ubiquitous concept. It's like something that everybody always agrees is very important to life and happiness. Yeah. But we don't necessarily practice that culturally. Yeah.

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Or as a society.

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Right. The reason why to test it with instruments is for skeptics. Right. So once we've all agreed that this is an actual phenomenon, this is a real thing, whatever this is, this is real. Yeah. The best way to test it is really with consciousness.

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I know there's a lot of hardcore skeptics that never want to believe.

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Yes. And well, the thing is, is like there's levels of skeptics. There's people that are just objective and they're like, I need data. I need to see something. And then there's people that it doesn't matter what they see. They're never going to believe. Right. And those are the weird ones because there's a lot of people out there that are self-professed skeptics.

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Those are the ones that are the problem. Yeah. Like they call themselves skeptics. Right. Okay.

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Well, how about just be objective? Right. Well, don't just be skeptical. Right. Because if you're completely skeptical and you're always looking for a negative, you're going to be biased by your own preconceived notions.

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Right. And a lot of—for a lot of— Yeah. Well, I mean, there's different kinds of atheists, too. There's some that I would just—I'd say they're self-professed atheists, but they're really more agnostic than anything. Yeah.

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I don't even think that's skeptical. That's just objective. Right. Like, because you hear about something completely novel and you're like, okay, what is it? What is that? Is this bullshit? Because you know bullshit. Bullshit's real.

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Like, that's why skeptics are important. Or at least being skeptical is important because... There are people that tell you if you join my cult, you will experience bliss and happiness.

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We all give up our money to the guru and he has sex with all of us, but it's great. Like what? Totally. So skepticism is important. It is important. It keeps you from getting hoodwinked.

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Open mind is skeptical. Right. But this is the problem with not having the ability to read minds. Right. Is that people can deceive you and you can't really tell. And some people are terrible at it for some reason. Like some people just fall in line with the wrong crowd over and over and over again and they never get it right.

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You have to be skeptical. Yeah. Or you have to be able to read people.

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and what is reading people though right like there's people that I've met that like right away I'm like this person's broken I gotta get the fuck away from them there's a famous story that with my friend Brian Brian Callen who's a hilarious comedian who always has the worst friends always and one time he showed up at this show that we were doing together with this gal that he was dating and I met her for five seconds and I and he'd always had the worst girlfriends they're always just disasters I get I go get rid of this one

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Please. I go, trust me. You got to move. He's like, what are you talking about? I go, dude, she's crazy. This one's broken. And he's like, no, no, no. I go, dude, I am telling you right now. Turn out she's a meth head. He didn't know. She wound up being a prostitute. It was off the charts. But she was pretty. And he just thought she was friendly to him. And so she was fine.

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And I read her right away. I'm like, oh. Oh, everything's wrong here. Yeah. And he's like, how did you do that? I'm like, I don't know. I just knew right away you got to get away from her.

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And he eventually one day ran into her after they had broken up. She was street walking.

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Yeah. Like that crazy. Yeah.

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Poor thing. Yeah. But it was like I was like, that one's going to drag you down. Like, get out of there. Yeah. But I knew. I don't know how I knew. Yeah. I mean, it was a simple exchange. Like, hi, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, too. Like, what the fuck's going on here? It was like all my spidey senses were going off.

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Yeah. And it's not normal. That's not normal. That's not every day. It's not like everybody you meet. Like, some people I meet are like, something's off. Right. Something's wrong with you. Yeah. You have to be able to go on some kind of instinct. We all know... And a lot of it is sort of pattern recognition. A lot of it is prior experiences with similar, the way similar people engage with you.

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And you're like, oh, I've seen this before. Like, this is a con man. Oh, I've seen this before. This is a this and this is a that. But sometimes, sometimes it's just like, this is a bad person. Or this one's broken.

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Objectivity. To recognize that people that are deceptive are real. And there's people that have ulterior motives. And these ulterior motives you might not understand. And you've got to be able to... You've got to be able to throw everything through a filter. And unfortunately, until we can read minds, you're kind of going on these like, did you hear that? I think I heard something.

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That's really what it's like when you meet a person. It's like there's something. I don't know. Are you being paranoid? I don't know. And then you can convince yourself that you are being paranoid when you're actually not. You're actually accurate. And you're like, oh, you're being silly. No, you're not being silly. You should have followed your initial instincts. Right.

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Also, if love is unifying, the love of a teacher and a student is absolutely real. Yeah. And it's a special bond. Yeah. Especially really good teachers.

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We have to account for it. We don't exactly know where it comes from. And... there's a lot of people that think that the universe is formed through consciousness. Yeah. This is Thomas Campbell's take on things. Are you familiar with him? Yeah. He was a mind bender when I had him in here. I was like, wait, what are you saying exactly?

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Really good educators have like this – because they really genuinely just want to help.

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And when someone's a genuine – and you're a child that's vulnerable and confused by the world around you and you're nonverbal and there's someone with genuine love for you.

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Like it kind of makes sense that those would be the people that bridge the gap.

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Yeah. I think men are generally more inclined towards brutish thinking. Yeah. You know, and an ego and like silly ways of viewing the world. And then also preoccupied by their status in life and what that means to, you know, them and their worth as an individual. And all that stuff is a massive impediment to any sort of like real love. Yeah. You're just so self-focused.

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Yeah, and that's definitely a male trait, especially in this capitalism society where you're constantly trying to achieve a higher level of status. Yeah. And no one's satisfied, including billionaires. Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah, which is just the nuttiest thing of all time. I know. It's like, what is the point? You won the game. I know. The game's over.

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The game's over. You have this crazy opportunity with all this money. Yeah.

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Also, why are you still just chasing numbers in a ledger? Because that's what you're doing. You've got lost in this weird game.

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I wonder if you could if you were super wealthy.

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And if you went down that path. The thing is, one thing would be if you were super wealthy by some divine intervention or someone just gives you money.

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You know, like some crazy billionaire who's like a telepathy tapes fan. They're dying. And on their will, they say, listen, Kai, you seem cool. I'm going to give you $2 billion. Like, what are you going to do with it? Yeah, but it's different.

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But if you went and tried to earn it, and so your whole life you were focused on these achievements, like I want to have this and that, and I want to be important, I want to be able to influence political parties, and I want to be able to fly in my private jet, and I want an island. You know, you get crazy. And then you never have enough. Right, you want more and more.

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Yeah, and then you're around people. Like we were talking the other day, Also, my friend Brian has a friend who's worth like $3 billion and he feels poor because he hangs out with these guys that are worth $50 billion. I'm like, that's so crazy. But that's the world that you live in when you're only thinking about numbers on a ledger. You've gotten caught playing a game. You're playing poker.

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You have chips. This is all just quantifiable. It's numbers.

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Who cares? You're just here's the real number. You got 100 years. Right. You're lucky. Right. That's the real number. Yeah. And if you're 60 and you're right. Yeah. You're almost at the end, buddy. Right. Like, what are you doing?

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You have to listen to it three or four times, and then you have to, I told him, listen, let's stop here. We'll do it again because I'm going to have to absorb this. Yeah. But the concept is that Essentially, the universe is formulated through consciousness in some way and that we're interacting with it through consciousness and that it's not as real as we want to believe it is.

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Right. What does that mean? You know, are you going to be the person? Well, when he died, he had so many things. I aspire to be like William. Right. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people that are like that. And they think about old, dead, rich people saying, boy, he really nailed it. He killed the game. You know, and that's you know, that's the thing that they have focused on, unfortunately.

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This is the problem with financial institutions because if all you're doing is trying to acquire more money, well, that's your game. And your game is just do that. And then as you get bigger, you eventually reach a point where like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you kind of control everything. Like you control natural resources. You control land. You control building, housing, transportation.

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You have everything? Yeah. This is not good for everybody else. It's not good for everybody else for one entity to have so much power and only be concentrating on numbers. Right.

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It's a competition. It's a subversion of what it's initially supposed to be. It's like when you put mandates on officers achieving a certain amount of arrests in a month.

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Or even arrests in general, right? Or prosecutors, right? What is a prosecutor's goal? To win. There's the competition. The competition is I provide evidence that this person is guilty. The defense provides evidence that he is in fact innocent. And we sort it out.

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And if you're just trying to win the game, well, then you're a corrupt prosecutor because then you withhold evidence that might exonerate that person or you don't allow DNA or you don't. There's. Yeah. And there's a lot of that. I mean, I work with a guy named Josh Dubin, who's a friend of mine, who's his whole thing is freeing people that are unjustly accused.

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And he's just because this podcast, a bunch of people are free right now. Wow. And. The shocking stories that you hear about corrupt prosecutors where these guys get caught and it turns out there's hundreds of people rotting away in a cage that are innocent because of this one corrupt person. And because they played this game of just trying to win. And this is the same game.

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It's the same game of acquiring numbers, whatever you're trying to do. If that is what your game is, your game is just numbers. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah, it's just hard to get through people that are completely lost and obsessed.

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You know, when someone is complete, like say a gambling addict, for instance, they're very hard to get to. Yeah. Because they're completely lost and obsessed with this thing that they become addicted to.

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Which is all numbers.

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Gambling is just all thrills and wins and losses and numbers. Yeah. It's all just, I bet 100,000 on the game and I'm like, I think I got five points on the spread. Yeah. They cover the spread. Then I win. And then I'm out of the hole. And then it's this roller coaster ride.

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And so it's very difficult to get to those people that are lost in whatever the game they're playing is, whether the game is gambling addiction or financial addiction, whatever it is. If you're lost in a game, it's very hard to get to those people, especially if they don't have love in their life. Right. And so if all their status is acquired by numbers, by achieving this and

The Joe Rogan Experience

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6899.543

pulling up in the brand-new Mercedes and wearing the fine suit and having the expensive watch or whatever it is that your thing is that you want to show up with and there's in this world this this especially today there's all the lures and trappings to pull you into that and you can never get enough you know you can get hand purchase that I mean hand created this and

The Joe Rogan Experience

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You know, rare that and a limited edition that. Oh, did you get the new one? Oh, and then, you know, you're lost.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

6935.018

Right. But what it does do, oddly, is it promotes technological innovation. So keeping up with the Joneses and materialism, one purpose that it does serve, oddly... is this constant push towards newer and better things, which I think is also part of the purpose of human life in some sort of a strange way, is that we are pursuing technological innovation above and beyond everything.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

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If you could see us objectively, if you could see us outside of culture, outside of language, if you were an alien race and you're observing this weird species, what does it do? Well, it keeps making better stuff. That's what it does. It keeps making better stuff.

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It puts all of its resources into making better stuff, and it's obsessed with acquiring better stuff, even though it has a finite lifespan. It never recognizes, or rarely. It's an odd and beautiful thing when someone recognizes they have a finite life.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7012.592

Right, but even that's subverted by numbers. Yeah, it is. Because the people that are playing the game, everybody wants to see them. They don't get any of the money. The money is all by the commercials and advertising and networks, networks in the organization where they profit in a tune of billions of dollars and literally pay zero to the athletes, which is so gross.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7034.177

Another disgusting subversion of this whole thing. So the purity is in the athletes, especially if you're competing in a game that has no financial future. If you're the world curling champion or whatever it is, some goofy-ass fucking Olympic sport, there's no – you're just trying to be the best at this thing.

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707.076

Well, everything that we've created. Except for the planet itself. Right. Right. Yeah, I've always said that, that I think that ideas might be a life form, that they get into people's heads and then people manufacture physical objects out of these ideas, whether it's art. And I think that's one of the reasons why we like art so much.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7084.244

It's also one of the weirdest attractions. Yeah. Attractance about social media. Yeah. Is what the stuff that people are showing you they have. I know. You know, which is like you can get a lot of followers by having great stuff. And like, look at my stuff. Look at my house. Look at my car. Look at my jet. And people go, wow. And you'll see millions and millions of likes on these videos.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

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Unboxing things are strange. It's like techno porn. You know, you're watching someone do something you wish you were doing. Oh, I wish I had that. Yeah. It's so weird.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

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But it's, you know, it's also very strange when you think about how many people are tuned into that where you never would have expected that in the past. Like there would never be a television show on NBC where someone unboxes stuff. You'd be like, no one's going to watch that. But meanwhile, put it on YouTube and millions of people will watch that stuff.

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7153.656

So there's a part of it that we didn't anticipate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7170.525

It's like there's just benefits to all this ability to communicate as well. The problem is when it's centralized.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7176.128

The real problem with television is that television has advertising. Advertising limits what you can say. And because of that, you know, we censored language. Right. Right. Advertisers didn't want you swearing on television. So the way people talked in real life, they never talked on television.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7193.015

And, you know, and so that got subverted. True free expression got subverted by advertisement.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7201.698

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7209.562

Not necessarily on Blue Sky.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7212.563

I bet I can get mad pretty quick, which is some simple scientific facts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7233.303

Profoundly. Yeah. And in a way that I don't think we even appreciate because we're a part of it. Right. I think it's one of those things. We've become accustomed to checking the news on your phone when you wake up in the morning and having friends sending you things. Oh, my God. You see this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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726.362

Sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7300.79

I think a lot of what is being shared, especially publicly, there's too many voices that I think are either intelligence assets or are disinformation experts that are doing it on purpose. The same feeling that I get Like when I said I met my friend's ex-girlfriend, I was like, oh, get out now. I have that feeling about the UAP thing. When I hear people talk, nothing seems real to me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7337.042

When I talk to people about it, there's not one. I mean, even when people tell me their own personal experiences, I believe them. It does not register as real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7346.091

Something registers as being nonsense. There's something maybe not nonsense, but maybe way weirder than what they're explaining it like, like non-physical interaction that they are reinterpreting as like physical interaction.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7365.381

That there's some there's some disconnect between their work. Like if someone tells me an experience that they had, like here's a good example. My friend Steve told me a harrowing experience of them being attacked by a brown bear in Alaska. And when he tells you this story, first of all, I know it's real because I know multiple people who were there. They were all there. No one got hurt.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7391.911

It was very fortunate. But they got charged by a grizzly who ran through their tent. One of my friends was on its back for like 10 yards. Oh, my gosh. Like it literally plowed through the people and he wound up like riding its back for like 10 yards before he fell off. Wow. Yeah. It was just like, I mean, it can cover 10 yards in a second.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7411.959

And the whole thing was just insane chaos. And the way he describes how your reptilian brain completely takes over. The fear is so overwhelming and different than anything you've ever experienced before. I know it happened. Yeah. And he's telling me this. I know it happened. When these people are telling me about talking to aliens, I'm not getting nothing out of them. I'm not getting nothing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7437.487

I'm getting a flat piece of paper.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7440.449

There's no charge. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I just don't get anything from their story. I hear it. It's interesting. But I don't get anything that lights any bells. There's no bulbs go off with me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7453.559

I just sit there and go, wow. Okay, so what were you thinking? And I'm asking them questions, but I'm not getting nothing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7460.516

So that leaves me, because I know that. For sure, the government has technology that they do not want the general public to be aware of for reasons of national security or whatever it is. Or money has been pushed through to finance things and they lie to Congress and they have to keep lying, whatever the reason is. That's real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7485.984

There's most certainly black ops programs that the general public is not aware of. That's always going to be the case. If you have those, what better way to hide them than in plain sight and with a bunch of people that are air quote whistleblowers that go out and tell everybody about all these experiences. They're not of this earth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7504.799

And that's what I would do if I was the government and I wanted to be super sneaky. I would have a bunch of my like really clever agents go and whistleblow, tell some stories, talk about people that have been abducted, talk about all these different things. Yeah. And then on top of that, there's real experiences. So I think.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7525.757

I think there is something because it exists throughout history, just like telepathy exists throughout history and ghosts exist throughout history and religion exists. There's something there. There's something there that's distorted by our very slippery grasp on truth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7546.636

Yeah. Yeah. There's also just too many stories from hundreds of years ago that are incredibly similar to the things that people are talking about today.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7557.342

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7558.843

Exactly. I just finished his third book. Yeah. I mean – That's the mind – but he's great because he's not a believer. Yeah. He's very skeptical about a lot and highlights a lot of the bullshit to the point where you're like, okay, what's true? Yeah. Yeah.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7576.472

The only ones. The only ones you can trust. Because there's too many people that are out there telling you, I know what's happening. We're about to experience a contact. All of the people, the Joint Chiefs of Staff have been notified. And, like, those people I don't want to talk to. Like, you shut the fuck up. You don't know anything. There's no way you know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7597.841

You're just taking advantage of this very weird moment in time where people aren't sure. But there's all this discussion, this phenomenon, and you've grifted yourself to this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7610.609

Because they're gross.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

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I think that's where it is.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

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Yeah. And our consciousness is confined by identity. It's confined by so many different things, so many walls that we put up and ego and blinders and self-delusion. There's always just weird things that we have in our mind because we don't necessarily have a very good mind.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7689.872

You know, they have insane noses. They can smell individual ingredients in a hamburger. Wow. That's so fascinating. And a bear is like 10 times stronger than that, which is bananas. Amazing. They can smell human beings hundreds of yards away. Right. Just a whiff of the wind and then all of a sudden they're like, oh, people, let's get the fuck out of here.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7719.472

Wave your hand above an earthworm. There's no idea what's going on. There's no idea what's going on. Yeah. It doesn't need to. Right. Lives its life underground. Those senses are not necessary. Right.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7728.518

Right. Yeah. And our senses most likely have atrophied. You know, that's the real thing is that, you know, there's a lot of talk from, you know, ancient. whether it's ancient religious texts, of contact, of something communicating with you that's not physically there. And you gotta wonder, was this really common for people?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7753.734

There's so many descriptions of being contacted by something that's not there. Was that, before language, normal?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7780.167

Right.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7786.07

Right. It's the birds flying around in unison. Like, somehow or another, they're tuned in to some... Some pattern that they never collide. How do they not collide? I mean, that's like so spectacular that you're literally hundreds of feet above the earth. You get knocked unconscious. You're both dead and no one collides ever.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7808.06

I mean, imagine like, why would you do that? Like what? What benefit? What evolutionary benefit, what natural survival benefit would there be in a bunch of you flying around in weird patterns in the sky? Like, look at that.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7822.73

That is so beautiful. The only thing I've heard is they just look like a bigger thing.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7830.016

That doesn't scare off fish. They go right to that big thing. That's the problem, you know? When tuna see that big thing, they're like, fuck, yeah. Look how crazy that is. I mean, it's so beautiful. But why would that be a benefit to like being a bigger thing? That would make you a bigger target. I don't, I mean, it's just weird. It's so weird. Like no one's falling.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7855.127

How come they're not colliding? How come they're not falling?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7861.153

Have you ever seen Wolves Hunt?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

7863.471

They communicate. We don't know what they're doing. We don't know how they do it, but they decide. Come up with me, man. Yeah. Yeah, there's something. Because they flank animals. They know how to do it. They know to chase animals into canyons, and then they get on the other side of it, and they capture them when they're trying to escape.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

7986.162

Yeah, I think chimpanzees do it too. I think they all have roles and they know what role to play. And they just sort of like lock in on this task together. And somehow or another communicate. Like they lay in wait. They know when to wait.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8002.453

Yeah, it's so cool. I mean... Imagine if one day we can figure out through technology to access minds of animals and see how an owl thinks. What's the process in their mind when they lock on to something? What is a predator thing? Does a prey animal know when it's being watched?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8031.464

I'm a hunter. They don't always know. They don't know at all. Sometimes they don't know at all.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8039.95

Sometimes like 50, 60 yards and they have no idea you're there. Wow. But a lot of times they're distracted too because they're in the rut. So they're mating and they're distracted, which is a rude way to hunt them. But that's how people hunt them. Yeah.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8058.103

I mean, not always. A lot of animals you hunt that are not in the rut. But, you know, like white-tailed deer, elk, primarily you hunt them when they're in the rut.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8068.19

There's some animals, though, that are very, very difficult to hunt. And one of the reasons why is you don't hunt them when they're in the rut. Like mule deer. Mule deer are the most clever and the most aware of all deer species because they're constantly being pursued by mountain lions. Oh. So they're always like, what the fuck is that? Yeah, they're totally nervous.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8087.624

They're always on edge, and they have an uncanny ability to get out of the way. They know something's there, and they're like, fuck this, and they just bounce out. Yeah. Yeah, you've got to sneak up on them when the wind's blowing. People take their shoes off to creep up on them.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8105.54

tactical yeah well you have to be yeah because you have to especially bow hunting yeah so you have to get ideally you want to get within inside of 60 yards yeah that's really what you want especially a mule deer is not that big an elk is a much larger target but a mule deer is you know big ones like 300 pounds you you've got to get pretty close and they fucking know something's up yeah they know something's up yeah you know sometimes you're staring at them and they just like what the fuck

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8131.838

You know, they're just tuned in. Yeah. There's also, I don't know if this is real or not, but there's a company called Hex. And they make these, they make clothes that block out your electrical signal. And one of the things, like it's very hard to discern whether or not it works with mammals. But it seems to work really well with fish. Right.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8154.329

So there's a lot of video evidence of these people putting these heck suits on underneath their wet gear or their scuba gear and then going in the water and being able to get like right up close to fish. They don't even know what the fuck is going on.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8171.044

This is their assertion.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8173.305

Now, obviously, they're selling a product.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8175.846

Very controversial in the hunting world, whether or not these things are real. Some people 100% believe in them, and there's a bunch of evidence that people wear them, and then they sit in a field, and turkeys get right next to them. What? Weird. And turkeys have incredible vision. Turkeys have better vision than humans.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8194.314

Yeah. But the really compelling stuff to me is the water stuff, because they do it in the water. Yeah. The idea is that prey animals have this electrical, some sort of signal that they're giving off that these animals can pick up.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8215.539

Well, fish have a thing called a lateral line. Have you ever seen that line on a fish? So that lateral line is interpreting movement in the water. It's interpreting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8233.447

The problem is, obviously, this is a commercial.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8236.108

Right. And the problem is, you know, these people believe it, and I don't know if they've done, like, how would you do a double-blind study with this? Right. You know, would you – you're dealing with completely different fish, completely different time. Yeah. You know, what did that fish – did that fish just experience a shark 30 minutes ago? What do you – you know, what's going on?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8257.615

Are they on edge?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8259.235

You have to do it a lot. And I don't know if they've done that because I think they're just trying to sell this thing that may or may not work.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8267.499

Supposedly. What is their explanation for what it does? Has something to do – Because there's no way to measure that. Well, the human body is essentially an electrical system, right? So it kind of makes sense that we would give off some sort of a visual representation or some senses that we don't understand. Just as electromagnetic patterns or something like that. Huh. All right.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8293.441

What is – Google hex suit debunked. Google that. HEC suit, HECS suit debunked. I wonder if anybody's ever tried to debunk it and say that's nonsense. Because I know a lot of people that don't think it works. They don't want to wear them. But I know my friend John Dudley, who's one of the best hunters in the world, he wears it every time he goes hunting. Really? Yeah. Fascinating.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8314.599

He thinks animals can't see him as well when he wears it. That's so interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8324.489

Sometimes. Maybe. I don't know. No, I think the fact is more important because if you're doing both things, if you're doing everything correctly – But one thing does give you – like camouflage works. We know it works because there's something about the way animals see. They essentially see movement and line detection. So they see the frame of a human being clearly.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8347.216

If you're wearing black and you're standing there and you're a bipedal thing, they're like, oh, fuck that. That's a person. Let's get out of here. But if your lines are completely broken up by camouflage and you stand still, they don't see you. They see nonsense. Yeah, just nonsense. They see the woods. They see, you know, you blend in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8365.629

And that's why camouflage doesn't have to look like leaves and sticks. It can just look like patches of black and stripes and tiger stripes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8373.913

Yeah. Yeah, it does. It does make sense. I mean, that's why animals in nature have that. I was watching this thing where they were explaining what animals see versus what we see, why tigers would be so beautifully colored because the animals don't see that color for whatever reason.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8391.542

But they do see the lines and the lines completely blur in with the grass because animals see in black and white or in a weird sort of shade.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8401.687

Have you found anything about hex suits debunked?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8425.478

Because, by the way, if you have odor blocking, the animals smell the odor blocking. And they're like, what the fuck? Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8431.661

That stinky fucking weird smell. There's no way. We smell so bad to animals. There's no way. They smell us like we smell a skunk.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8440.392

Yeah. You know, you could smell a skunk that gets killed like five blocks away. That's how they smell us. They know we're in the neighborhood. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't think that scent stuff does anything. I mean, maybe it blocks a little bit. So maybe it helps a little bit. Maybe.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8456.506

I mean, you're looking for every little edge because you're essentially competing with the survival instincts of something that has existed in that form for a thousand years or excuse me, a million years or more.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8471.156

Yeah. The only reason why you win is because you have a bow and arrow. Right. Or you have a rifle and you know which way the wind's blowing. Yes. That's the big thing. Yeah. It's like if you get winded, if they smell you, it's over.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8483.541

Like the whole thing is the wind has to be in your face. So if you're looking at the animal, the wind has to be coming in your direction. If the wind hits the back of your neck, it's over. Really? You feel it. You're like, oh, shit. Yeah. Because they'll smell you instantly. They're like, what the fuck this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8498.047

Instantaneously. Wow. Yeah. A hundred yards away, they just start running.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8505.753

No, it has to go to them. That's why they always find themselves, they always bed down in a position where the wind is coming straight to them towards any threats. And then the females will line up and look in the other way. So they'll look towards the way where the wind is going.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8526.452

And then everyone will line out so the wind comes to them and then some will look in the opposite direction. Wow. Yeah. And try to keep their eyes open. But again, it's because they're dealing with cats. Yeah. It's a fascinating sport, though.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8548.075

It's also bizarrely psychedelic in this weird way. When when you're there, the world doesn't exist. And when you see these animals, you connect with them in some sort of a strange way. And you're trying to like almost not exist. You're trying to like give off nothing, which is what cats do when you see them creeping up on things. They're not like, oh, motherfucker. Yeah, right.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8574.079

They're like locked in. Yeah. It's locked in almost like non-existent until they go. And then the whole thing is like I got to be able to move quicker than you can run away.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8583.648

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8586.07

Yeah. It's a weird. But it's whatever these animals are experiencing with each other is probably some form of telepathy as well. You know, how do they know? Like, how do wolves know to work together? Is it just trial and error? Yeah. It seems like they have roles, that they have predetermined roles. One of them will chase them down. The other one will be laying in wait. They do stuff together.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8607.891

They coordinate in some strange way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8612.396

Diane Boyd. Yeah. Fascinating. Yeah. She's so interesting. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8619.784

Yeah, rightly so. Yeah. How many people get killed by wolves every year versus people? Yeah. Yeah. People are way creepier. Yeah.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8626.807

Yeah. Wolves are just real. I mean, clear, not simple, complex, obviously, but clear in what they're trying to do. They're trying to eat and survive. And that's that's their job.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8636.932

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8640.868

Yeah. Yeah, we got a lot of tangents. But that's the beauty of the human mind. It is. I love the human mind. It does go on tangents.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8649.051

I think that we're all sort of trying to understand why we view the world the way we do and how much of that has been...

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8661.556

projected upon us by culture and society and how much of it is things we understand innately how much how many things we can't prove but that are a part of this world that we live in right and i think what your show has done with the telepathy tapes and i'm sure what the documentary has done is i think more important than anything open up this possibility to be explored

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

867.177

the muse you know to uh to to guide you yeah yeah to guide you towards something that can illuminate this issue so did you have a preconceived notion of telepathy or spiritual gifts or anything before this

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8688.534

And recognizing that it's real and that these preconceived notions that we've held on to for so long are probably erroneous. We probably have screwed ourselves by latching on to the idea that this is it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8703.211

This is all that we have. And this is the way to live life. And, you know, put your suit on and go to work.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8733.907

It could happen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

8741.91

It's pretty good. That's great. Shout out to Black Rabbit Coffee.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8750.396

What is your hope for this stuff? In your most ideal scenario, how obviously your show's been received in a tremendously positive way, and people are super intrigued, and it's really popular. So that's great. So more discussion, but in an ideal scenario, what would you like to happen?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8882.954

That concept is just so hard to grasp. Yeah. If you haven't read any of Tom Campbell's stuff or haven't considered this or listened to Rupert Sheldrake talk or your show, it's like it's so hard for people to grasp that.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8897.785

I mean, he is like – I got a lot of text messages from buddies after that. Like, what the fuck, dude? I'm so confused.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

8934.736

So once the documentary is out, what do you hope to do next? Do you have a game plan?

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

9048.955

That and more, right? More people coming out, more people understanding it, more people grasping it, more people accepting. And then this sort of changes everything. Yeah. The level of cynicism. So it changes the level of negativity and it opens up the acceptance of this stuff. And then maybe we learn more.

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#2279 - Ky Dickens

9136.724

Yeah, it's a beautiful answer. That's a good way to wrap this up. Kai, thank you very much for being here, and thank you very much for your series. It's really incredible, and I can't wait to watch the documentary, and I'd love to have you back on whenever it releases.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

9158.395

Okay, let's do it. Let's do it. All right. Telepathy tapes. It's available basically everywhere. Spotify, Apple, whatever, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

9169.009

It's really incredible. I loved it. All right. That's it. Thank you very much. Thank you, Joe. Thank you. Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

953.731

So let's let's talk about what you saw first. Like what was the first example where it was like an aha moment for you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2279 - Ky Dickens

98.242

Okay.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

1248.841

Well, it's great because then if they're communicating, they're only communicating. They're not sharing things or Snapchatting each other back and forth and the addictive qualities of these phones. Which is, if you think about the course of human evolution and you think of how we adapted to agriculture and civilization and we essentially became softer and less muscular and less aggressive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

1275.174

That took a long time. A long time. That was a long time. This thing is hitting us so quickly and one of the bizarre things is it creates a disconnection even though you're being connected to people consistently and constantly through social media.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

1294.281

There's a disconnection between human beings and normal behavior and learning through interaction with each other, social cues, all the different things that we rely on to learn how to be a friend and to learn how to be better at talking to each other.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

1448.5

Right.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

1451.561

But what concerns me is as this tech gets more and more invasive in terms of how human beings, particularly children, interface with it, and as it gets, I mean, really we would just be guessing as to what comes out of AI and to what kind of world we're even looking at in 20 years.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

1469.445

It seems like it's having a profound effect on the behavior of human beings, particularly young human beings and their developmental. How old are you? I'm 48. I'm 57. So when I grew up, there was zero of this. And I got this slow trickle through adulthood from when I was a child, the VHS tapes and answering machines through the big tech.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

1494.646

So we went through the whole cycle of it, which is really interesting. So you get to see this profound change in people and what it's doing to kids. And you've got to wonder, like, what is that doing to the species? And is that going to be normal? Is it going to be normal to be emotionally disconnected and, like, very bizarre in our person-to-person interface?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

152.15

Well, it's also a completely novel new thing that we weren't prepared for. So before there was social media and online news, no one was prepared for the world of the algorithm. No one was prepared for being like –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

170.081

literally everything that freaks you out is what you'll be shown because that shows that you're engaging and that's how it's set up for it, which is just so contrary to the rest of history. I mean, it was always, it bleeds, it leads in the news because they wanted people, they wanted to win ratings news, but they only had so much control and it was only on for an hour. Exactly.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

1740.293

Well, it seems it's inevitable, right? AI's emergence and where it goes from here on is inevitable. It's going to happen. And we should probably try to steer it at least in a way that benefits everybody. And I agree with you. There is a world I could see where AI changes everything.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

1758.064

And one of the things that makes me most hopeful is a much better form of translation so that we'll be able to understand each other better. It's a giant part of the problem in the world. It's, you know, the Tower of Babel. So we really can't communicate with each other very well. So we really don't know what the problems are in these particular areas or how people feel about us.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

1781.158

Yeah, it's... Yeah, we can't. And it's very easy to not empathize with someone where you don't even know what their letters are.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

1792.785

No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

1801.05

Oh, I've had that with when I interview fighters. I've had translators.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

191.097

And now it's just this 24 seven anxiety fest and,

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

202.95

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2454.375

Well, I see what you're saying in the final example as the rosy scenario. That's the best case option, right? That it gives people the freedom to be more creative and to pursue different things. I think there's always going to be a market for handmade things. People like things. They like an acoustic performance. They like stuff where it's very human and very real.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2480.8

But there's a lot of people that just want a job. And these people maybe just aren't inclined towards creativity. And maybe they're very simple people who just want a job and they just want to work. Those are the people that I worry about.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2534.575

Whoa.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2560.172

What are your thoughts on universal basic income as a band-aid to sort of mitigate that transition?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2584.591

I agree. I grew up on welfare as well.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2604.189

It's a best-case scenario, right, because your parents worked their way out of it. My parents worked their way out of it. But some people are just content to just get a check. And this is the issue I think that a lot of people have is that people will become entitled and just want to collect a check. And if it's a substantial portion of our country, like if universal basic income is

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2627.052

If AI eliminates, let's just say a crazy number, like 70% of the manual labor jobs, truck drivers, construction workers, all that stuff gets eliminated. That's a lot of people without a purpose. And one of the things that a good day's work and earning your pay, it makes people feel self-sufficient. It makes people feel valuable. It gives them a sense of purpose.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2650.128

They could look at the thing that they did, maybe build a building or something like that and drive their kids by. Hey, we built that building right there. Oh, wow. It's a part of their identity. And if they just get a check and then what do they do? Just play video games all day?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2664.315

That's the worst case scenario is that people just get locked into this world of computers and online and just receive checks and have the bare necessities to survive and are content with that and then don't contribute at all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2781.971

Boy, what kind of people are going to go first there?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2789.028

Yeah. Sure. Just like the people that got on the Pinta, the Santa Maria and made their way across the ocean.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2800.019

Yeah. But to want to go to a place that doesn't even have an atmosphere that's capable of sustaining human life and try to figure – and you can only go back every couple of years and like – Those people are going to be psychos. You're going to have a completely psychotic Australia on meth. You know, it's like the worst case scenario of the cast outs of society.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2839.139

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2871.419

Especially today.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

2875.002

You wouldn't know. Yeah. That could be the future, instantaneous communication with people on other planets, just like you could talk to people in New Zealand today.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

3000.07

Well, then also with quantum computing and one of the things about AI that's been talked about is this massive need for energy. And so they're going – at least it's been proposed to develop nuclear sites specifically to power AI, which is wild.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

3023.786

You got to dance around this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

3271.39

You're going to go to the moon.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

3282.853

What is the material?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

3387.251

But isn't the problem... With introducing this to other countries, and I believe it was India where they introduced nuclear power plants, then they realized very quickly they could figure out how to make nuclear weapons from that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

340.948

Is there heavy content moderation on threads?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

3405.212

And the real problem would be if that is not a small handful of countries that have nuclear weapons, but the entire world, it could get very sketchy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

359.235

So to explain to people that 2 plus 2 equals 5 is a bizarre thing that was going around where they were talking about how math is racist. Exactly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

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One of the strangest things about us is the kind of wisdom that's necessary to sort of see the future and prognosticate and see where this could go, especially based on the history of human beings and how many times things have changed. Like you were talking about Sri Lanka, but there's many examples all over the world of civilizations that were thriving, that were pounded into dust.

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Which is, oh, no. If math is racist, we have a real problem. Because that means everything's racist. Because everything's math.

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And because every day is similar for us, we have this inability to look forward and to make that leap and see the potential for disaster that all these things have. And this is what freaks me out about when people talk openly about, you know, we have to win with Russia versus Ukraine. What are you talking about?

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Yeah. What does that mean? This sounds insane. And then applauding the long range attacks into Russia now, like this escalation. Oh, you know, they're attacking Russia now. They'll show them. Are you in a movie? Do you think that this always ends up with the good guys winning? Because that's not the case in human history at all.

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And not only that, there is no good guy if people start launching nukes. Everybody's a bad guy and everybody's fucked. And that's on the table. When you see long-range Israel bombing campaigns in the Lebanon and you see what's going on with Ukraine and Russia, who knows? Who knows how this escalates? Who knows what the retaliatory response is? Who knows what the response to the response is?

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The other problem that America clearly has is that there are – there's an enormous portion of what controls the government, whether you want to call it the military industrial complex or – military contractors, there's so much money to be made in pushing that line, pushing it to the brink of destruction but not past, maintaining a constant state of war but not an apocalypse.

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And that as long as there's financial incentives to keep escalating and you're still getting money and they're still signing off on – hundreds of billions of dollars to funnel this. And it's all going through these military contractors and bringing over weapons and gear. And the windfall is huge. The amount of money is huge.

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And they do not want to shut that off for the sake of humanity, especially if someone can rationalize. You get this diffusion of responsibility when there's a whole bunch of people together and they're all talking about it. Everyone's kind of on the same page and you have shareholders that you have to represent. Like the whole thing is bananas.

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Like, he's in this frenzy of this intense scene. But what is fucking, what is Bill doing? Republican talking points on Fox News? No, that was a different time.

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What would be an example of that other than weapons manufacturing? Like what would be equally economically viable?

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As long as there's not still a business for war.

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Which is a crazy thing to say, really.

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This is my one bright spot that I think about with AI as well. It's like, everyone's terrified of the open border situation and criminals coming across the border. And Wouldn't the solution be not have a place like a desperate third world country where people are trying to escape on foot with their families?

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If we were living next door to another United States and you could just travel freely back and forth between the two of them because it really didn't matter. Both of them are equally safe. Both of them have equal economic prosperity. Both of them are equally democratically governed. No problem. Just go over there. Go over here. I mean, it kind of used to be like that with Canada.

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With Canada, you used to go over there with a driver's license. You used to be able to go back and forth between the United States. I mean, I think the first time I went to Canada, I did not have a passport. I had a driver's license. And it was kind of the same sort of deal. It was just accepted. Oh, that place is cool. We're cool. We're next to each other. If the whole world was like that.

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It would be incredible. Right. It would be incredible. And I think AI makes that possible.

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I think it makes that possible. And we're going to have to deal with a few very uncomfortable factors, one of them being the illegal drug trade and another one being the consequences of prohibition and forcing people into doing things of drugs. Prohibition of drugs? But I feel like the only way to disempower illegal drug manufacturing is to have legal drug manufacturing that's regulated.

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The only way to stop fentanyl overdoses is to have cocaine become legal. But the problem with that is you get a bunch of people that are addicted to cocaine.

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They don't do fentanyl on purpose. They start it because of a prescription? No. Most fentanyl overdoses is fentanyl that's cut into other drugs, particularly party drugs like molly and ecstasy, cocaine, even heroin, things along those lines where people think that they're getting a pure thing, but they're getting it from the cartel.

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Yes. It's cheap and it's very small amounts of fentanyl do incredible damage. Like the amount of fentanyl that can kill you is like the head of a nail. It's very small. Have you seen it in relationship to a penny?

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It's crazy. So the problem is if you have a drug and you've cut it with a bunch of other things because you want to sell as much of it as possible, you add a bunch of things into it and to increase the potency they add fentanyl. And because of that, it's all done illegally, it's unregulated, so a lot of people die. And the numbers in the United States, I think there are upwards of 100,000 people.

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Well, I think you're going to have to have a massive education campaign, and people are going to have to understand it the same way they understand cigarettes. Like, cigarette smoking in young people is down quite a bit from the 80s, right? and I think that's because of people understanding the consequences of it.

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But you're always going to have people that want to smoke cigarettes, and my belief is that they should be able to smoke cigarettes. I don't think you should do Adderall all day, but if you get a prescription, you can do it.

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But at least in my mind, you're getting Adderall from a pharmacy, and that pharmacy is going to give you actual Adderall and not some fentanyl-laced thing that's going to kill you and... you have no idea. You think you're taking the same thing you've always taken, and then one day you're dead. And that's the case with a lot of people today, especially with party drugs.

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I don't think you should do heroin. I don't think you should do cocaine. I don't think you should fuck your life up. And I know too many people who have fucked their life up. But I also don't think that I should be able to tell you what you can do, especially when there's all these drugs that are readily available, particularly alcohol, which is one of the most destructive drugs to your health,

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to relationships and families, to societies. How many alcoholics? How many drunk driving accidents? How many drunk people murdered other people? There's just horrible consequences of alcohol, but I completely support alcohol being legal. Yeah, same. But we have learned how to consume alcohol as a culture.

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Well, first of all, they were already off the rails. This is not like legalizing drugs in San Francisco in the year 2000. It's a completely different scenario. So you have these people that are really...

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They're accustomed to tents and subsidizing drug addicts, and they're accustomed to this very bizarre breakdown of civil society where you're seeing open-air drug markets, and everyone's fine with it, and it's somehow or another – kind and compassionate to allow this to take place everywhere. And that's what you have in Portland, right?

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Portland is probably one of the most liberal cities that we have, the most leftist cities that we have. So for Oregon to do it that way, I think it's a like an awesome libertarian notion to say, you know what, we shouldn't make any of these things a crime. These are personal choices and you can make good personal choices or bad ones. We'll have everything.

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But the problem is the fabric of society, the encouragement of discipline and of hard work and of accomplishment had been eroded to the point where accomplishment meant that there was something wrong with you. Like if you were a person that was eat the rich, tax the rich, if you're a person that had accomplished something great, it wasn't because of some extraordinary effort you put in.

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Even if it was, it was you did something to fuck over other people. And that's the only way you get rich in this world. And it's just ridiculous. It's bizarre. And it permeated Portland. So when you introduce free heroin to that, you're going to get more problems. And you're subsidizing people for living on the streets, which they do.

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I watched this interview where they were talking to these people in the Pacific Northwest where they moved there specifically so they could be homeless because they knew that they'd get money. And there's no incentive to get out of those tents. There's no incentive. There's free food and free drugs, and they give you money. And they're like, OK.

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I think. Have you ever heard of Dr. Carl Hart? No. He's a professor. Is he at Columbia? I believe he's at Columbia. Carl Hart was a straight chemist, like a guy studying chemistry and studying these substances in Colombia. And he was a clinical researcher. And along the way, he started realizing that our –

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Our understanding of these drugs and the pros and cons of them had been flavored by propaganda heavily, particularly the sweeping act of 1970 that made almost everything illegal, which was really to target civil rights groups and anti-war people. And so this was during the Nixon administration. They made a bunch of things that were psychedelics.

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Well, MKUltra was actually before that. It was when they were experimenting with people, particularly with LSD. So when they started doing this, they made everything illegal. And now the only way you can get any of these things is through illegal sources. So you're getting them through the cartels. So if we don't have the ability to legalize things.

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And the problem with legalization, there's no good answer here. So to keep things illegal, you're going to have fentanyl overdoses. I know people have lost their children. I know people have lost their brothers and sisters to this. It's a horrible thing that happens. You're also going to get heroin overdoses if it's legal. So Jesus Christ.

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And you're going to get more people to try it because it's legal. But it's just like prohibition during the 1920s or the 1930s, rather. When they had that, what they did was they enabled the mob. And they enabled organized crime. And that was the rise of Al Capone. And that was the rise of the moonshiners. And you essentially, you always had a demand.

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And the people that were willing to supply that demand were criminals. Right. And they were criminals in this country. We're empowering criminals that are essentially running Mexico, which is bizarre. I know during the latest election, how many assassinations were there? Was it 37 or 35? During their latest elections- In Mexico. In Mexico. There was at least 35 assassinations. Wow.

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37. 37 assassinated candidates. I mean, you have to play ball with the cartel over there. You know, just like you had to play ball with the mob in the 1930s. You have to play ball. They have the guns and they're really mean and they'll do whatever the fuck they want to you. The 2021 midterms when 36 candidates were killed.

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Jeez.

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Yeah, it's wild down there. That is a direct... result of having trillions of dollars being made by selling illegal drugs and made most of them to sell to America. I'm sure they sell them to other places as well.

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No, I don't think there's a lot of money in that. The real money's in like meth. Meth, cocaine. They have a problem with illegal marijuana that's grown in the United States on national forest land. Because what happened is, especially in California, my friend John Norris, he wrote a book called The Hidden War.

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And he was a fish and game officer and basically wanted to be the guy that checks your fishing license. Like, great job. You're out in the outdoors. And one day... It's the beginning of a movie. It is the beginning of a movie. I'm sure they're probably doing a movie on it. But in one day, they find this creek that is dried up and they think that perhaps- Oh, they diverted the water.

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Someone's diverted the water. They thought it was a farmer that had done something inappropriate or whatever. So they follow the creek up and they find this illegal grow up that's run by the cartel. And then they become a tactical unit and they have Belgian Malinois and bulletproof vests and- Machine guns. The whole thing's crazy. And they get in shootouts with the cartel in National Forest Land.

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Because it's a misdemeanor to grow pot illegally in a state where pot is legal. So California has legal marijuana. You could go to any store anywhere, use credit cards. It's open, free market. If you follow the rules, you can open up a store. But if you don't follow the rules, you can sell it illegally, and it's just a misdemeanor.

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In some states. I know in Colorado, it was a real problem. And in Colorado, they had to do everything in cash.

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Well, they were using mercenaries. They're essentially using military contractors to run the money back and forth to the bank because you had to bring the bank money in bulk. So you'd have a million dollars in an armored car and a bunch of guys tailing the car in front of the car and they're driving it to the bank and everyone knows there's a million dollars in their car.

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So you have to really be fortified. And so it was very sketchy for a lot of people. I don't know what the current condition in Colorado is now. I don't know if they still have to do it that way.

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Yeah, it's gray. And they're trying to diminish that. The latest steps during the Biden administration is to change it to a Schedule 3. And that's a proposal. That would help. But really, it should be just like alcohol. It should be something that you have to be 21 years old to buy. You should have to have an ID. And we should educate people how to use it responsibly.

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And we should also pay attention to whoever the fuck is growing it and make sure you're not going wacky. There's people that are botanists that are out of their mind potheads that are just 24-7 hitting bongs, and they're making stuff that'll put you on Mars without Elon Musk.

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Well, they do regulate it in California. If you go to good places in California, let's say this is 39% THC, which is very high.

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this is 37 this is you know but then there's also the problem with one thing that marijuana seems to do to some people that alcohol doesn't necessarily some people have a propensity for alcoholism and it seems to be genetic but there's a thing that happens with marijuana where people who have a tendency towards schizophrenia marijuana can push them over the edge and alex berenson wrote a great book about this called tell your kids

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And I've personally witnessed people who have lost their marbles. And I think it's people that have this propensity. Because one of the things that I think is beneficial about marijuana in particular, and this is one of the things that freaks people out, is the paranoia. Paranoia, I feel like what it is, is a hyper-awareness.

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Well, isn't that part of the problem with eliminating gifted classes? I think they're doing that in New York. Is that where they're doing that? Find out if that's the case. There's some where there's this hot controversy about eliminating the concept of gifted classes. But the reality is there's some people that are going to find regular classes, particularly mathematics and some other things.

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And I think it pushes down all these boundaries that you've set up, all these walls and all these blinders. so that you see the world for what it really is. And a lot of people, it freaks out. But what I think it does is it ultimately makes you more compassionate and kinder and nicer. And you realize like- In the moment or afterwards? Afterwards.

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I think it's a tool for recognizing things that you are conveniently ignoring. And my friend Eddie told me about this once. He was saying, if you're having a bad time and you smoke marijuana, you're going to have a worse time. Because you're already freaking out. You're already freaking out about something. If you're going through a horrible breakup and you get high, like, oh, no one loves me.

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But if you're having a great time with your friends, you'll probably just laugh and be silly, right? Because you're not freaking out about something. You probably – you're in a good place mentally, which we should all strive to be in a good place.

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Well, I think there are whiskey connoisseurs and there are, I mean, there is like scotch, like old scotch does have a fantastic taste. It's got an interesting sort of an acquired taste. But there's real wine connoisseurs.

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Wine is a different animal. Wine is incredible. The flavor of wine is spectacular. It's the most delicious of all alcohols without being sweet.

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Yeah. It's a different thing. Like the people that say they're tequila connoisseurs, like, shut up. It all tastes like shit.

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The great tequila tastes less shitty.

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Yeah, I drink a glass of wine with a steak, and it's like, oh, this wine's fucking great. I totally agree with you. And it puts you in a calm. It relaxes me. You don't want to go drive fucking wild and get crazy and get in a fight when you're drinking wine.

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Right.

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They're going to find them a little too easy. They're more advanced. They're more advanced students. And those students should have some sort of an option to excel. And it should be inspiring. It may be intimidating, but also inspiring to everybody else. I mean, that's part of the reason why kids go to school together. Look how hard she works. She works so much harder than me.

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But it's a weird status thing, the expensive wine. It's just like Cuban cigars.

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Yeah. It's a weird thing.

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How?

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Really?

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Is there a limitation? Like, is there a certain specific amount that you have to buy?

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And so a retail store could just buy a few bottles?

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But when I hear people that are going to open up their own wine label, I'm like, oh, good Lord. How much do you know about wine? Like, oh, I'm going to start a wine business. Like, what?

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Look how much she's getting ahead. Fuck, I've got to work harder. And it really does work that way. That's how human beings, in cooperation, that's how they grow together.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

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Oh, yeah. They do weird stuff. Like, they'll splice avocado trees with—what is that nut? So they'll take avocado trees and they splice them with pistachios to make the tree more sturdy. You can take two different species of tree, and if you cut them sideways and splice them together, they'll grow more.

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So when you usually do it, do you have to have that potato and they have to soak it so a sprout comes out of it and then plant it? Is that what they do? I don't know. Because I've seen that before. I've always wondered how they're doing that.

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Well, they still have real tomatoes. You have to search for real tomatoes here. If you want an heirloom tomato, that's an actual tomato. The tomatoes that we have are just these freaks.

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Oh, that's right. He was a gossip guy. He was like an Entertainment Tonight type guy. Inside Edition. One of those deals. Inside Edition. Is that what it was? That's what it's called. Ah, yeah. And fucking those things. They never go away. It's such a weird environment, the left and right. There's no, like, centrist news source on television.

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I'd like to know because there's a difference that the way my body responds. I can tell you how my body feels.

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And it's just the difference in the food system.

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Everybody says the same thing.

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Yeah, you feel completely different. Even when you eat things like pizza over there, you don't feel like you ate a brick. I've eaten pizza here and I love it, but when I'm over, I'm like, oh. What did you do? What did you do? Like you ate a brick. But over there, it's just food. It tastes great. The pasta doesn't bother you. Nothing bothers you. It's just whatever they're doing.

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And there's many things. Just one of them, they're not using enriched flour. And another thing is they have heirloom flour. So it hasn't been maximized for the most amount of gluten.

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Yeah. What's possible? How much can you really affect with regulation? How much can you really bring to light? And what are we going to learn about our food system? I mean, even Canada, one of the things about the hearings that they just had was they were comparing Lucky Charms that they sell in the United States that are very brightly colored versus Lucky Charms they sell in Canada.

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Completely different looking product because in Canada it's illegal to use those dyes that we use ubiquitously. And those dyes are terrible for you. We know they're terrible for you. And Canada knows they're terrible for you, which is why they're illegal up there. The food tastes the same. It still sucks. It's still bad for you. It's still covered in sugar.

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But at least it doesn't have that fucking poison that just makes it blue or red.

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It's garbage. Yeah. It's all garbage. And it's so common. And then if you're in what they would call food desert, if you're in a place that only has fast food – Like, my God, like your odds of being metabolically healthy if you're poor and you're living in a place that's a food desert. It's impossible. It's fucked. It's impossible. You're fucked. It's too hard.

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And it's also very expensive, which is even crazier. It's so expensive to eat well and to eat like clean and make sure that you don't have any additives and garbage in your food.

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Oh, yeah. Sugar-free is great.

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Well, it's such a small amount of people that affected that. That's what's so terrifying. There's a small amount of people who bribed these scientists to falsify data so that they could blame all these coronary artery diseases and heart diseases on saturated fat when it was really sugar that was causing all these problems.

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And we had a very dysfunctional understanding of health for the longest time. The food pyramid was all fucked up. The bottom of the food pyramid was all bread and carbs. It's so nuts. And it just made a bunch of really sloppy humans. And you could see it in the beaches, the photos from the 1960s versus looking at people in the 2000s.

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They're coming on.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's a failure of our regulatory process. It's a failure of our exposing the public to this and making sure that whatever this is is labeled the same way cigarettes are. Because if you want to buy cigarettes, you can buy them today, but it's going to have a big warning that tells you this can kill you. Totally. Yeah. arguably sugar is probably as difficult to kick as nicotine is.

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And there's a lot of other problems.

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It's very hard.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

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I have a friend who has diabetes, and he got type 2 diabetes, and he's thin, my friend Duncan. And one of the things he found out is when he stopped eating, it was all just eating too much sugar. When he stopped eating sugar, he's like, oh, my God, I have so much energy. Like, this is what I'm supposed to feel like? Yeah. He had thought that it was just lifestyle. Like he's in his 40s now.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6274.319

Lethargic. Yeah. I need a nap. And he didn't realize he was poisoning himself.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6280.822

And that's what most people are doing. Most people out there that are drinking regular soda and they're eating candy and you're eating burgers with sugar in the bun and bullshit and bread and French fries cooked in seed oils. You're just poisoning yourself. Yeah.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6318.228

Yeah.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6325.387

It's also like, let's be real. That's not food. It's something you put in your mouth, but you can't buy cigarettes with food stamps. So if you can't buy cigarettes with food stamps, why should you be able to buy something that's really bad for you?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6339.597

I mean, what would change if we said food stamps, we're going to actually increase the amount that you get, but we're going to regulate what you can buy. And you have to buy all the things from the outside of the store.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6402.868

But the problem is people, especially people that don't know or care, want that sugar water. You know, like there's the choices.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6414.675

Yeah. You're going to have people that choose that Big Mac because it is delicious.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6499.268

That is the issue. See what Bobby Kennedy was talking about with these GLP-1s? He was comparing the amount of money spent on GLP-1s and what you could give every obese American, that you could give them free healthy food and a gym membership?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6523.727

Isn't that amazing? Just something that controls your appetite. Yeah.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6549.114

But now there's an industry that's making $3 trillion by giving people these GLP-1s. And the problem is, just like every other industry, once it starts making money, it does not want to stop.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6616.152

Right. Well, the only other thing that I could think is if there was some sort of a way that would be effective at establishing discipline other than just promoting it. I could conceive of, especially when you're dealing with something like Neuralink or some sort of a new way of programming the mind where it just changes whatever the behavior pattern is that accepts these foods as choices.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6649.062

like lobotomize your appetite.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6655.245

Sketchy to fucking be an early adopter.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6660.767

That would be bad.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6662.388

That's worst case scenario. Best case scenario is you just have... like a national scale promotion of health and wellness and abandonment of this body positivity nonsense and fat doctors and people are telling you that every weight is a healthy weight and all food is food and to think otherwise is discriminatory, which you're hearing from people. And by the way, that stuff is funded.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6688.174

And that's what people need to know. That nonsense is actually funded. They pay people to be influencers, and they're getting paid by these food companies to say these nonsense things that are scientifically, factually incorrect. They're not true. It is not healthy in any way, shape, or form to be obese. And when they tell you that you can be metabolically healthy and still have fat, it's okay.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

671.688

There's nothing wrong. It sounds optimal.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6713.381

It's not okay. It's not okay. That's just not true. And is that fat shaming? You can call it whatever the fuck you want, but it doesn't change what it does to the human body. And it doesn't make someone better if you don't make them feel bad about being robustly unhealthy.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

675.449

It sounds great. It's just a matter of resources and then also completely revamping how you teach kids. This is my gripe with this whole ADHD thing.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

687.909

You know, I've talked to many people who have varying opinions on whether or not that's an actual condition or whether or not there's a lot of people that have a lot of energy and you're sitting in a class that's very boring and they don't want to pay attention to it. So instead, you drug them and you give them medication that is essentially speed and lets them hyper focus on things.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6876.33

Isn't it like $42 billion?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6928.246

It seems worse than falling into the seat cushions if it's 42 billion people and none of them have received internet access. That's really insane.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

6937.789

I should say I used the Starlink Mini this past week in Utah in the mountains. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's the size of this book. It's amazing. It's crazy. It literally fits in a small laptop case. My friend couldn't believe that was it. I was like, this is it.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7.556

Well, it's what he really is. But he really is. Yeah, it's like the Ellen thing, you know, it's like... I mean, he really did lose his shit there. Oh, it looked like, weirdly, you know? I got the Christian Bale one, because he's in characters, intense scenes. Some guy's fucking around in the background. Like, God damn it, stop fucking around. I get that. Yeah, yeah.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7001.236

Yeah. In a year or two, it'll probably be straight to your cell phone and you won't need that dish anymore. But right now the dish is a small iPad and you just sit it down in a field and we plugged a cord to it. And you don't even have to have a cord. It is a battery that comes with it.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7066.153

Well, let me paint the ultimate dystopian solution. The ultimate – part of our problem is we have corruption. We have what you were talking about with deals sort of like the border wall deal had money in it for Ukraine. Like there's all these weird deals. There's bills that don't make any sense. Like how did you add all this stuff? Why is this 2,000 pages?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

707.433

And now all of a sudden, little Timmy's locked on. You know, it was really just the medication that he needed. And I think for a lot of those kids, if they found something that was really interesting to them, maybe they're really bored with this, but they're really excited by biology.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7089.72

How many people signed it and actually read it? AI government. AI government solves all those problems. AI government is not corrupt. AI government just works literally for the people.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7101.079

And instead of having all these state representatives and all these bullshit artists that pretend to be working on their truck and they don't know what the fuck they're doing, they're just doing it for an ad, you don't have any of that anymore. Now everything's governed with AI. The problem is who's controlling the AI?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7114.524

And is there some sort of an ultimate regulatory body that makes sure that the AI isn't biased or tainted?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7171.494

Right. And it could be gamed as well, right? Like you could organize.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7180.36

And we've seen distortions, right? Like the Gemini AI that was – they were asked to make Nazi soldiers. They made these multiracial Nazi soldiers.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7190.186

And that kind of stuff where it's just like, who are the founding fathers? It's all here's a black guy. It's like here's a Chinese lady. Like, OK, we get it. You're not racist. But this is you're being crazy.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7203.709

Exactly. When you talk specifically history. I mean, one of them was like a Native American woman was a Nazi soldier. It's like this is so nuts. So that is a problem in that AI is not clean, right? It's got the greasy fingerprints of modern civilization on it and all of our bizarre ideologies.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

723.678

Maybe there's something that resonates with their particular personality and what excites them, and they could find a pathway. And instead, we have this very rigid system that wants to get children accustomed to the idea of sitting still for an hour at a time over and over and over again throughout the day being subjected to people who aren't necessarily that motivated or getting paid that well.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7328.193

You know, one of the things that I thought was extraordinary that Elon was getting pushed back on was his idea of making the government more efficient. And that auditing the various programs and finding out how to make them more efficient. And a lot of people really freaked out about that. And their main freak out, the main argument from intelligent people that I saw was, what are you going to do?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7352.825

Are you going to fire all these people that are in charge of government? I don't think that's the answer for ineffective government is to let the same people do the same thing because otherwise you have to fire them. That sounds insane. And to say that the government is as efficient as is humanly possible or even close to it, no one believes that. No rational person believes that.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7376.292

Everyone believes in bureaucracy. Everyone believes there's a lot of nonsense going on. Everyone believes that... Look at the difference between what... Elon has been able to accomplish with SpaceX versus what NASA has been doing recently. Look at the difference between what they're able to accomplish with Starlink versus this $42 billion program that yielded zero results.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7397.539

Look at the difference between all these different things that are done in the private sector when there's competitive marketplace strategies. You have to figure out a way to get better and more efficient, and you can't afford to have a bunch of people in your company that are doing nothing. And they're creating red tape and making things harder to progress. That's bad for the business.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7421.429

That's the argument for letting private companies take over things.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7472.138

We actually were talking about Singapore yesterday, how extraordinarily efficient their recycling program is. It's unbelievable. I mean, it's really amazing what they do. They really recycle. They recycle how we think we're recycling. They really do. They really separate the plastic. They break it up. They use it to make power. They use it to make road materials.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7493.492

They make building materials out of it. They reuse everything.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7715.073

No. And then there's just folks that are stuck in space.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7721.557

Yeah. And Jamie said they were supposed to be there for how long? Eight hours? Yeah. They were supposed to be there for eight hours. They were supposed to be quick. They were supposed to be quick. And they've been there for months. They're going to be there until February. That's so insane. They're going to be there until February. How terrifying must that be?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7743.877

Eight days. They're supposed to be there for eight days.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7761.121

Oh, good lord. I can't believe that's real.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7765.101

That's what they say to themselves. They keep from going crazy.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7790.91

Yeah, it could be way more.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7794.716

That's weird that AI, that's another flaw with AI, right? It would read it like that? I wonder what the incentive is for AI to lie to you about that. How does AI not know it's not 2025 yet? We're stuck in space until February of 2025.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7813.056

That's a weird error, though. It is a weird error.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7849.718

Do they smoke in space?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7865.499

Did you see this latest report? There's like real controversy about some finding that the James Webb telescope has discovered. And there's some talk of some large object moving towards us that's course correcting.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7881.402

This is the weird part about it. And there's all these meetings. And so all the kooky UAP people are all over it saying disclosure is eminent. There's a mothership headed towards us. So it gets fun. I don't know what they mean by course correcting. What does that mean? And how do they know it wasn't impacted with something else that diverted it?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

79.166

There's no, like, this is probably what's going on news source. It's always one or the other, and it's like you're living in a bipolar person's brain. I think, like...

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7908.009

But they're not telling anybody. There's something going on. Do you think they would tell people? Imagine if there was a giant chunk of steel, of iron rather, that's headed towards us.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7924.263

Do we have the capability of moving that thing? Would the FCC wait five months to give Elon the- I think you'd probably send as many.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7938.361

It's also a problem of breaking it up. Exactly. If it breaks up, then you have smaller pieces that are hitting everywhere instead of one large chunk.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

7977.512

Yeah, but ultimately I always wonder, you know, like the universe sort of has these patterns that force innovation and constantly move towards further and further complexity. And if you were going to have intelligent life that existed on a planet, what better incentive – to get this intelligent life to spread to other parts of the planet than to make that planet volatile.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8001.509

Make super volcanoes, earthquakes, solar flares, all sorts of different possibilities, asteroid impacts, all sorts of different possibilities that motivate this thing to spread.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8066.623

Unquestionably.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8068.485

And we also know that there's planets in our immediate vicinity that used to be able to harbor life like Mars. We know that Mars was covered in water and Mars had a sustainable atmosphere. Right. So we know that this is not just a dream, that this is possible, that what we're experiencing here on Earth is temporary.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8086.766

And if we get hit by something big—well, we know Earth was hit by a planet in its formation. There was Earth 1 and Earth 2. The formation of the moon, the primary theory is that we were hit by another planet, and that's why we have such a large moon. That's a quarter of the size— Is that right?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8102.158

Quarter of the size of Earth. It's like keeping our atmosphere stable and keeping our—it's— A wild shooting gallery out there. I mean, it really is. And especially our particular solar system has a massive asteroid belt. There's like 900,000 near-Earth objects.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8141.323

That it will be able to solve problems that are inescapable to us and also offer us like real hard data about how big of a problem this is and when this needs to be solved by and then come up with actionable solutions. Yeah. And that seems to be something that might escape us as biological entities with limited minds, especially when we're not working together. Yeah.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8166.101

And you could get AI to have the accumulated power, mind power of everyone, you know, 10x.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8192.54

It would have to be something that showed such overwhelming superiority that it shut down all of our military systems and did so openly to the point where we're like we're really helpless against this thing.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8251.843

Yes. My hope is that one of the things that comes out of AI and the advancement of society through this is the allocation of resources much more evenly and that we use AI. As I was saying before, the best way to keep people from entering into this country is to make all the other places as good as this country. As good as this country.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8273.598

Then you solve all the problems for everybody and you don't have this one place where you can go to get a job or you go over there and you get murdered.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8323.032

Isn't it interesting that the idea of people not getting together in groups and killing people they don't know, that's utopia? That is some sort of ridiculous pie-in-the-sky vision of the possibility of the future of humanity where that's –

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

834.724

That thing can make a Drake song in three minutes.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8342.25

common in small groups like even in cities I mean there's individual murders and there's crimes in cities but cities aren't attacking other cities and killing everybody right so there's something bizarre about nations and there's something bizarre about the the uneven application of resources and possibilities and and you know your

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8367.541

Your economic hopes, your dreams, your aspirations being achievable pretty much everywhere. If we did that, I think that might be the way that we solve most violence or the most horrific nonsensical violence.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8463.599

I saw this brilliant discussion that you had where you were explaining that Trump is the wrong messenger, but many of the things that he did actually were very positive.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8477.305

And I think that is a... It's a very difficult thing to describe. It's a very difficult thing to express to people because we're so polarized, particularly with a character like Trump that's so polarizing.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8494.784

it's very difficult to attribute anything to him that is positive, especially if you're a progressive or if you're on the left or if you've been a lifelong Democrat or if you're involved in tech.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8507.051

I mean, it's this bizarre denial of basic reality, the reality of what can you see based on what was put in place, what actions were taken, what were the net benefits?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8732.379

He's so polarizing that there's been two attempted assassinations on him and no one cares.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8743.544

Yeah. But listen, no one can dodge forever. But the thing is, it's like no one seems to care that the rhetoric is ramped up so hard and has been so distorted.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8920.336

But there is real decisions that have been made during the Biden administration about the border that are affecting people.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8929.039

I think it's a decision. I don't think it's a lack thereof, especially the flying people in and the utilization of an app. to fly people in. That seems insane. The whole thing seems insane, and I don't know what the motivation is. I've talked to people that know a lot about the construction business, and they believe the motivation is cheap labor.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8948.97

I think that's part of it, and that a lot of the problem is, in many industries, the lack of cheap labor and people that are willing to do jobs. It's one of the things that I've heard. There's a lot of criticism about all the Haitians that have moved to Springfield, Ohio.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8961.418

But one of the positive things that I've heard from people that live there is that these people are hard workers and they're willing to do jobs that the other people weren't willing to take on. So you have pros and cons, but you have this incentivized effort to move people into this country illegally, which will undoubtedly bring in people that you don't want here.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

8983.097

Gang members, cartel members, terrorists. Terrorists. That's real. And we've documented that. And there's people that have been arrested that were trying to come in that were terrorists. And there's people that have gotten through for sure.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9020.635

I don't think it is either, but the fear, and Elon's talked about this, the real fear is that they're bringing these people in, give them a clear path to citizenship, which will allow them to vote, and then you've essentially bought their vote.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9033.222

So if the Democrats bring them in, incentivize them to become Democrats and vote, and give them money, which they clearly are doing, they're giving them EBD cards, and they're giving them housing, and they're giving things that they're not giving to veterans and poor people in this country, that seems to be an incentive to...

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9050.051

to get these people to want to be here and also to appreciate the people that gave them that opportunity, which is you would essentially in swing states, which is Ohio, what's one of them, if you can get a lot of people in there and you've given them a better life because of your policies, those people, if you give them the opportunity to vote, especially if they're limited, low-information voters, they're going to vote for the party that got them to America.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9314.9

Quite a lot of them.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9316.482

And I'm sure most of those people are people that just want a better opportunity. And that's a great thing.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9322.529

But you have to take care of all the people here, especially the veterans and especially these people that have been struggling in these inner cities that have dealt with the redlining and all the Jim Crow laws that have set them back for decades and decades and has never been corrected.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9339.063

There's never been any effort to take these places that have been economically fucked since the beginning of the 20th century and correct it. And instead you're dumping all this money into people that have illegally come here. That to me is where it starts looking like a conspiracy.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9382.293

I could be wrong. He did. It was wildly unpopular.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9422.857

Right. Well, that's one of the things that people are so excited about with this Trump union with Tulsi Gabbard and Robert Kennedy is that you're having these movements that seem to be almost impossible to achieve outside of an outsider, like the Make America Healthy Again concept. Right. What are you talking about?

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9443.33

You're going to go up against these companies that have been donating to these political parties forever and have allowed them to have these regulations that are allowing them to have these dyes in food that's illegal in our neighboring Canada? What? No one's done that before, right? So that's very exciting. But again, messenger message.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9577.751

But the lens that you're describing, the thing that distorts everyone's vision is Donald Trump as a human being. That's the thing. And it's also the media's depiction of him, which has been grossly distorted.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9652.49

Right.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9662.61

Well, not only that, they've distorted who he is. Whatever flaws Donald Trump has are nothing in comparison to the media's depictions of him.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9715.675

Right.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9730.485

And the only repercussions of them lying is a lack of trust that people have for them now.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9778.98

Particularly look at a debate where they fact-checked Trump multiple times, but they didn't fact-check her.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9797.067

Not just that, but there's the affidavit by the person from ABC that said she was aware of the questions and that she was told that there were certain things that were going to be off-topic or off-limits, like her record as a DA and also some other person that she's attached to that's involved in something shady. And then on top of it, there was things that she said that were absolutely untrue.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9820.919

One of the grossest ones was she saying that we don't have any troops deployed in combat zones. Have you ever seen that one where the troops in the combat zones are going, what the fuck are we doing here? And then Dan Crenshaw, see if you can find Dan Crenshaw's post on Instagram. He...

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9839.738

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a guy who understands the consequences of war, right? Clearly, paid the price personally for serving. But on his Instagram, he laid out how many troops are in active combat zones. It's tens of thousands in multiple combat zones of American citizens.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9894.153

Yes.

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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

9973.996

I think we are too. Thank you very much for being here, man. That was really fun. I really enjoyed it. Thanks. I know you're very busy, so I really appreciate your time. It was a real honor. It was an honor for me as well. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

1004.336

Yeah.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

101.944

No, thank you. I didn't know.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

103.044

And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry Christmas and wish each other Merry Christmas, these children are not going to have a Merry Christmas. How dare we speak Merry Christmas? How dare we? They will not have a Merry Christmas. Who are you to say that? I don't know if they will be here in a matter of days, weeks, and months. Since September 5th, over 12,000 have lost their status.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

1036.547

Dogs aren't there yet. That's why dogs freak out when someone comes to your door. They're not there yet. They still remember the old days. That's a great point. They're still like, dude, usually if someone's coming up, we have to kill it. And they're reminding you of that. And it's true. And if you look at that...

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

1057.677

collective epigenetic trauma as an egregore, as a ghost, a ghost haunting the planet, the ghost of not that long ago.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2247 - Duncan Trussell

1068.702

The ghost of primate past haunts us, and that's why it's so easy to slide into aggressive patterns and defensive patterns that are completely unnecessary.

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Did you hear what Chaperone said?

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Yeah.

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What is this? Right. What are we doing? Did you see the new shit that they found out about consciousness in the human brain? This popped up on my feed. This dude Penrose, this guy used to be an anesthesiologist. He already knew about these neurological structures that are these quantum tubules that apparently anesthesia impacts.

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And he began to think maybe consciousness is not associated as much as we thought with the... With neurons, but is a microstructure within the brain, these quantum tubules that get shut down when there's anesthesia. And so there's this new controversial sort of emergent theory of consciousness, which is that when you are awake. You go from being a wave to a particle.

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In other words, whatever you want to call it, the I am, the all one situation that we actually are experiencing gets compressed into a particle, which is your experience of reality. But when you fall asleep, when you take enough acid, you go into a superposition. When that's that feeling of being connected to everything, part of everything, not even being there anymore.

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So we're those things simultaneously. And I guess as far as the default reality that you're talking about, that's a situation where it's a bunch of particles that have focused in on like a buffet situation. of moments that the news curates. So the news is like, okay, beam out at this person. This person's wrong. This person's right. Here's what you should be afraid of.

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Here's a celebrity that sucks.

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Just nonsense and side effects. It's unnerving. And also when you realize we think the show is John Wick. That ain't the show. The show is the nonsense that's happening in between John Wick. Because when you think about it, when you're watching a good movie,

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you relax you calm down you open up it's the perfect perfect state of consciousness to manipulate people i also thought it was incredible that they bleeped out all the bad words when the commercials were far more offensive

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like all kinds of like wild shit depression anxiety fear violent tendencies dude gambling addictions this is so when you think about the idea that if you know what a group of witches is called a coven a group of Christians is called a church the idea is sort of simultaneous prayer causes change now there's different words for some people call the prayer spells some people call the prayer a pep rally we're gonna

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Go, go, go! You look at the football game. You're seeing covens of witches cheering to direct energy at the team they want to try to move the needle a little bit. But when you consider... The power of directing little bubble universes, which is every single human, focusing that beam of attention onto certain ideas.

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Dude, not only are you going to create whatever it is you want to create in the case of an advertiser makes some money, but theoretically you could guide history that way. And the last thing you want them to figure out is if they all stop focusing Focusing on what you're telling them to focus on and trust themselves enough to focus on what they want to focus on, which is usually not bad.

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Then all of a sudden you would lose that kind of magical control. You lose the actual steering wheel of the of the weird vehicle. You know, and we you know, they're like, it's democracy.

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steering wheel is your vote and the president and the elected officials who guide the country but the real steering wheel is here's what we're going to get you to pay attention to you need to pay attention to this right now and if we all pay attention to that it like where attention goes energy flows you know you know what i think it is i think it's like if we're in a factory

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Unfounded.

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Well, I mean, do you remember when those weird green fucking lights showed up in Hawaii?

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Laser lights that shot out of the sky. Oh, yeah. Remember that? That's right. What was that? What are the drones? I mean, that's what I love about the drones is... I mean, aside from the obvious, like, you know, getting to imagine, fantasize, it could be they're chasing orbs and the orbs or whatever. What I love about the drones is that... It's another step in shaking people awake.

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You know what I mean? Because it's like part of living in default reality, I think, is you sort of lean into the idea that the government is, you could trust. You can trust the government. Of course, like you have to. You can trust the people that make the weapons. You can trust them. They're really good guys. Yes, some of them, you know. Are hyper-violent, whatever, whatever.

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Yeah, but ultimately we can trust these people. And so then you have over fucking New Jersey experimental vehicles that people are filming. Welcome to Earth, bitch. Did you see that one? And it's so funny people in New Jersey reacting to them.

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No.

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You know what else falls? Drones. Experimental fucking drones. The government's flying over fucking New Jersey hoping those fuckers don't crash. They're apparently half the size of a car. Some of them are bigger, bro.

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Yeah. And these are flying over houses. Oh, yeah. So it's just like, no, listen, number one, most of what you guys are seeing, it's stars or you're seeing commercial vehicles mostly. And the other stuff we don't really know. And so at that point, you're like, wait a minute.

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I'm paying almost half of my income in fucking taxes so you know what the car-sized mystery things flying over the cities are. And you don't know what that fucking is? What am I paying you for? You know what I mean? You're making a lot of money, man. You should know what the drones are. And so but then when you see what's his name? Bolt. Is it Bolton? The guy with the mustache? Not Bolton.

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When you see, I don't know, the DOD dudes up there and the way that they're just lying their fucking asses off. Did you see the press secretary talking about it? And she's wearing a necklace that looks like a UFO. Is it Corinne Jean-Pierre, that lady? Not Jean-Pierre. It was another one. A new one? How do they just shuffle new people in without announcing them?

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Okay. I hope not.

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Children, problems.

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You can tell this. We can tell this. There's a lot of data right now. We can tell this. What about the data showing vaccinations are bad for you? No, no, no. Fuck that data.

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War, Sudan. War, Sudan. Got it. Okay, no problem. Sell it. I got it. I'll sell it. I'm going out there. You just put on your Rachel Maddow glasses.

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We are in elf costumes. But, you know, but yeah, I don't understand the Rachel Maddow glasses phenomena. But I have done research into it because I wanted to create a vision board of all the people wearing those glasses. And it's a thing. It's like a thing on the left. They wear those fucking glasses.

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Not yet.

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It identifies that you are you have a certain set of beliefs if you're wearing the Maddow glasses. I mean, it's a real thing.

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Dude, isn't that, but that's to me the invasion of the body.

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It's fucking Christmas.

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No. Never. Never. We should just be shitting in our hands, rubbing in our faces, whipping our backs until the whole world experiences a simultaneous orgasm. Then Merry Christmas to you.

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Wasn't it like five years ago? How long ago was it? I think the one I like is from the 70s. Oh, the Donald Sutherland one? Yes.

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Yeah, right.

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There you go.

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go dude I went down a deep rabbit hole with this shit because you know I was like looking right after Trump won which by the way can I want to remind you I'm sorry I don't want to pat myself on the back but when we were hunting for Bigfoot you remember I said to you one day you're gonna get a president elected did you say that no back then that would have been the least likely scenario I'm in the woods with the fear factor guy

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Legitimately. Legitimately with Bigfoot experts. Dude, that was one of my favorite camping trips I've ever had in my life. It was fun, dude. I would love to do that again. We had so much fun. Hunting for Bigfoot. It's like, because hunting for animals, which I know you love, I have nothing against it, but you still got to kill an animal.

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Hunting for Bigfoot, you just like look for a twig out of place and you get to imagine he's nearby. And that, it's really fun. Squatching is fun.

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No one would spend any money to go look for Bigfoot. If you can fly a swarm of drones over fucking New Jersey. You could find Bigfoot. You could fly him in the Pacific Northwest and we'd know once and fucking for all. See this, you know, they talk about democracy. Sometimes I like to think about what would actual democracy look like?

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And, you know, it wouldn't look like some dude getting in front of a microphone and gaslighting your ass about experimental craft. It would be like, all right, I'm just going to tell you guys we figured out anti-gravity. That's anti-gravity drones. We wanted to show you. And tomorrow we're going to drop ketamine on the neighborhoods. Democracy. But you know what I mean?

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Like, that would be true democracy versus what we have right now, which is sort of democracy. It does work. The voting works and all that stuff. But ultimately, our impact... The non-political class's impact is very little, and the political class's impact is very little when you consider now there's a security class.

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So you have the politicians, like Harry Reid, trying to figure out what the fuck is going on with the UAPs, and even they can't do it because there's another level, and that level is like – That's – those are the people controlling things because they know the secrets.

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It's just so infuriating to me that now they feel comfortable enough to fly whatever the fuck these things are over a major city and not tell us what they are and then say we don't know what they are. Because if the reality is they don't know what they are, if we're going to believe them, which I guess you're just not supposed to – You know what I mean? Are you supposed to?

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No, I don't think you're supposed to. I think at the point where they're just telling you it's like stars.

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They seeded your culture with your religions. Everything. It's for a good cause. Everything.

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Yeah. We're a piece. Well, that's... Okay, so that is exactly what you want pieces of your factory to think like. And that is why, at any moment, anybody can actually just turn the channel. You're not a piece of the fucking factory. Actually, you're the universe. You are the universe. And you're the universe who has been. Dude, I mean, look what they could do to lions at a circus.

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Deadly fucking thing. They can make it jump through hoops. They can make it catch a frisbee. Right?

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Yeah.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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There is. It's the assassination of a fucking CEO. And by the way, I am not assigning any kind of... I think it's a slippery slope if we start publicly fucking executing CEOs. You know what I mean? That's a real slippery slope.

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Yeah.

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But I'll tell you. If you sort of look at the factory, the way it works is like, number one, you really aren't supposed to identify the actual like what's causing like a lot of suffering. Once you start making those identifications, then... And you follow through with some kind of action based on those identifications. Number one, the action can't be based on the rules of the factory.

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Of course, the factory is going to create rules. You can go out with your fucking signs or whatever if you're at the right place. Not at Amazon where they arrested those people protesting. But there's places in the factory where you can go and be like, I need more oil.

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But only once in a while and only in the right way. It's a peaceful protest is what we call it. You do it at the wrong time. It's a fucking insurrection. You know what I mean? So the factory's got rules about how we do this. So the moment you go outside of those rules, the moment you like actually, and to do that, you have to somehow really think outside the factory.

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Then you see something like that happen. And then you see the way the factory responds, which is the perp walk they did with that dude. They've got fucking seal team six walking that guy in. He's handsome.

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Well, they're not guarding that guy. Look at that. They're sending a fucking message. They're saying, listen, we will surround you. And like that. So because like what's really scary about what he did is, Is like and I think if you want to like take murder, cold blooded murder and just for a second call it activism.

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What that guy did is he didn't just like, you know, send a message, which is really scary for people like CEOs, which is saying, listen, man, like you can't keep fucking us with the insurance insurance. And if you do, you're not safe. And so that's scary as fuck because that that's the CEOs, of course, are the ones who pay for the lobbyists who pay for the laws.

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And so he sends a message of a methodology, which, again, I think if we if we're going to get into a better place. Using violence, I just don't think that's the path. But just as an analysis, dude, I would say you could expect more of that to happen. And that is going to lead to the Darth Vader people coming out more. You're not cosigning it. I'm not co-signing it at all.

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Yeah.

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You remember when your dad had to come downstairs? Like you're fucking up or you're like misbehaving with your brother. You're doing something really bad. You set something on fire. Right. Your dad comes downstairs. He's been at work. He's fucking pissed. That's how you know you're really fucked. When people start doing stuff like that. Then the dad has to come downstairs.

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Yeah. Well, you know. I was just, dude, I don't know why I started doing this. Highly recommend it. I started listening because I forgot a lot of the new age ideas. So I started listening to new age channeled audibles, aliens channeled through new age people. Oh, cheers, my brother.

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And when the dad comes downstairs, it looks like the dudes in the Darth Vader outfit. All of a sudden, this facade, for a second, they have to stop the show, turn on the fucking lights. These guys in fucking full body armor come out, spray paint.

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chemicals into your face and drag you away and then all right start the show up again start the show up again it gets memory hold so that that is an example of what happens when the factory is imbalanced and right now the factory is imbalanced dude it's just that's the problem there's a reason we need the middle class there's a reason you need some

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path forward that is there's a reason you need to be able to buy a fucking house and aside from like the human comfort and starting a family and all that stuff the moment you pull that away from people now what it's like so wait there what am i supposed to do here now again i i not advocating violence. I think that if we keep doing violence, we're going to keep getting violence.

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But it's a really scary thing when shit gets so imbalanced. And when you hear about like the health insurance, like I'm lucky because like I'm on this, I'm on Crapopolis on Fox. I have incredible health insurance, dude.

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Have you ever talked to Brigham Bueller about this? No.

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13 counts. He's 50. That's a life sentence. Well, yeah, man.

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Why do they use their own jizz? Do they run one on- They want all the babies.

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It's a whole genre.

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That's hilarious.

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Dude, that guy could be, like, you know, based on the depopulation that's happening, based on population decline, that guy could be, like, the next Genghis Khan. Like, in the future, like...

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Okay, so it's, again, my mom got into it briefly because she dated this new age dude and I fucking hated it. He wore Birkenstocks. He'd force us to go on hikes. He wouldn't let me take my fake gun. You know, you're a kid. You want to take your fake gun on the hike? He's like, we don't do that on hikes. You know, the fucking fascist hike where you're forced to recognize the beauty of nature.

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I mean, it is interesting. It's like, you know, you read Elon Musk is the top Diablo player in North America, right? I think in the world, dude. In the world. I think he's number one in the world, which is fucking insane. And, dude, I know you, and I'm not trying to high road you here, but unless you've played Diablo 4— You can't understand what that means. I absolutely accept that.

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I do not understand what that means. It is insane. When I was addicted to that fucking game, I just wasn't sleeping because I had to do dad duty in the day, Diablo at night. And I sucked. So when you realize this guy shooting rockets into space, making e-vehicles, starting a new fucking department of the government... Is also the top. It's so crazy.

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the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day oh shit i didn't know we had bells yeah bro we got bells

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It's the one time I actually let myself think maybe he actually is an alien. Because there is no, there's just no way. Unless he's paying people to do it for him, which obviously he's not. That is insane, man. That is insane. So, dude, when you consider, I don't even know where I was going with that. I got lost in Diablo 4 just thinking about it.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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It's crazy. It's crazy because, you know, Diablo 4, it's all about your build. It's all about, like – eye-hand coordination is obviously a big part of it, but then it's just – And then you see the chopsticks catch the fucking rocket. Yeah.

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Like what? And that to me, it's like, my God, you know, you get those feelings like, okay, I'm on the right timeline. Because if the guy who's going to make us a galactic civilization is also a master Diablo player. The number one. we're in the right timeline.

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He's in another dimension. He could be bilocating. This is one of the ideas.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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I mean, okay, so we talked about this in the green room. Willow, the new quantum chip that Google has, right?

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And I think you and I both do the same thing with our minds. I think anyone who is exposed to the Atari 2600 does this naturally, which is like we played the Atari 2600. Did you have an Atari when you were a kid? Oh, yeah. And you remember how that blew your mind, right? Yeah. You control the thing with a joystick. It was insane. You can control the TV. Little buttons, choo-choo-choo-choo.

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And it's like, dude, don't put that on me. I'll find it on my own. But he got my mom into New Age stuff. And this was prime New Age time. This is like, this is when they all killed themselves. It's like they were part of it, too. They were wearing the sneakers. What were they called? Heaven's Gate.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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What the fuck? Yeah, incredible. You'd been going to arcades. You could only play for a second. You didn't have enough quarters. Suddenly, you could just do it at home. You could play until you fainted. Oh, my God. And so we got to witness every phase of that technology to where it is now, which is just fucking insane. And so you just take the Atari 2600 model and apply it to any new thing.

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She said, how dare you say fucking Christmas?

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And so you think, all right, what's it going to look like in 10 years? Then you take Musk's. neural lace, some kind of brain-human interface, mix that in with some quantum chip that, yeah, right now, right now, it's apparently unstable. It's like you got to keep it at, like, you have to keep it at the low, I don't know what it's called. It's like colder than space or something.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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Like it has to be basically below freezing. And then suddenly it can do things that all the supercomputers on the planet couldn't do. But you know, There's a trajectory here between the human brain and this technology, and it's getting closer and closer and closer together, meaning that we are. And, you know, a lot of people are like, look, that's probably like 20 years away.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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That is not that long. We are. When did Teen Wolf come out, man? I don't think it's anywhere near 20 years. I think it's way closer than that. That's right. So that to me, when you just do the math and you realize humanity is about to merge with a thing that is solving equations that take a supercomputer, what is it? Septillion amount of years. That's going to be us. Yeah.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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And so then to answer the simulation idea, of course we're in a simulation. If we were just monkeys and now we are using qubits, using superpositioning to create some infinitely faster way of calculating data, then obviously once we get that thing connected to our brain – we will be able to simulate any reality we want.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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If this is truly our past and you wanted to, like right now, the way I remember something, having done acid for most of my life is very foggy and kind of like, my memory isn't the best. Every once in a while, I have a very clear memory of things. But with this tech, theoretically,

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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It could reconstruct memories in your mind, and not just that, put you into them and allow you to experience them in real time. Meaning, in a few minutes, you could live your life over a thousand times. Easily, we could be in the future, and this is a memory that some quantum computer of neural interface is allowing us to experience totally, all-encompassing memory.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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And that would be a form of eternal life, because in every second... How many lifetimes could you live based on merging with that kind of chip? Right. And you wouldn't want to know it was a memory. You might want to be like, you know what, let me just live that life over again. I just want to feel the whole thing.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

336.685

oh yeah that was a new age cult so um i remember like watching these old grainy vhs tapes with my mom and this dude and um thinking they were cool and like there was some sound that was playing in one and my mom looks at me like hopefully like do you recognize that sound because i guess here's the thing about all this

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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for some weird reason. Well, that was like Nietzsche had this whole thought experiment, which was, I don't remember what it was called, something like infinite return. But basically the way he put it is you don't live it again and again and again and make changes within the echo. It's exactly the same over and over and over again.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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And so in other words, like whatever you, it's just a rerun over and over and over again forever. That's what we're in. And his point in that was like, therefore, If most of your life you've been miserable, you're in hell. I know. Oh, but he wanted to use that more as a kind of to leverage people out of despondency to make them understand. Get going now.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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Make it happy now, because if we do repeat. Yeah.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

3511.408

Well, I mean, I think the model you could use for that theory would be the various... Like, you look at an embryo, and then you watch the way the appendages change. Then you could look at it that way, which is like, well, I mean, you don't want... I met someone who had a tail, by the way. What? Some people get born... I think I was at that party. He had a tail. I met someone without a tail.

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Because something happens. How big was it? I didn't look at it.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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Oh, it was cinnamon.

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Yeah.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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Something there. So, you know, if you.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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Oh, come on.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

3578.683

Well, it's weird how some of those tails look better than others. Some of them are clearly got to be fake.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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There's fucking psychos out there, man. Dude, your alliance fucking bit. I still think about it sometimes. What would you do if you had a tail? Give me a break. If you could get... They're already getting these body suits you can wear to help you lift shit. They have the new things for your legs. But dude, if there was some cyborg tail that you could attach with a belt...

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Not interested.

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I'm going to pass on the Na'vi. I don't like it.

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It is real.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

3678.543

Yeah, it's not going to be one time, man. No, it's one time.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

3694.989

Yeah, or you'll kill.

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And it's going to hurt when you change. It's a painful transformation.

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3709.756

Dude, the best. Oh, my. Joe. Fucking great movie. Here's a movie you've got to watch. Really? The Substance. What is that? Dude. I don't want to ruin it for people because it just came out. But it's... You ever watch any, like, Cronenberg movies? Okay, so it reminds me of that. It's got Demi Moore in it, who, by the way, looks so great. And she's like... Like, dude, it is so fucked up.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

3737.329

This movie is so fucked up, but it's got... The effects, something that happens in it is very similar to an American werewolf in London. And it's basically this star, she's a fading star. And so, oh, and he kills it too. But like, she's like a fading star. So it's called The Substance? Oh my God, it's fucking trippy, man. It's so good.

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You will love it.

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But it's really wild, man. And it's very... Like, there's parts of it that are so disturbing. Really? Oh, maybe they're going to show it. The substance.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

3776.798

What?

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No spoilers. I'm sorry, so what is it on again? We had to get it on Prime.

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It's out. But, dude, like, the... This is, again, like... And I think... one of the fun things about being alive right now and it's a fun time and one of the might be the funnest time anybody's ever had dude really because like if i had to pick time periods oh we picked the right one well the second one i would pick is uh when cocaine was legal I think you would have been dead already.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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I would have. Well, yeah.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4042.782

It was a cocaine city. That was where it was probably somewhat common to find like a bag of coke on the beach, right?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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You'd have to get your kid. Your kid would bring you a bag of coke.

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Dude, I've heard... But that story is so insane. I mean, again, like, I would never... I'm too much of a pussy to live that kind of lifestyle. But when you think about the possibility that once we do get interfaced in some way or another with these new computers that are just right around the corner, we will be able to simulate experiences like that.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4091.519

I will definitely – I would be into simulating the experience. And then when you consider, yeah, but you're going to simulate the experience. You know it's a simulation experience. Some point you're gonna be like, you know what? Let's just turn that off where I know it's a simulation. You know what I mean?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4107.485

We would all be doing that shit like yeah, and I don't just mean like Literally like I mean at some point you've done 20,000 lifetimes you've experienced what it's like to be George Washington Genghis Khan you've experienced what it's like to be Joan of Arc you've experienced being one of Jesus's disciples and Imagine if that's one person and that's your backstory.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4128.714

That you've done all of those things. What a timeline you're on. That's going to be everybody. That's going to be everybody. Because it's going to be fake. Well, I mean, is it? Just plug into it. That's where it gets really. Right. Is it? Is it going to be fake?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4140.744

And what is data?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4142.305

What is data? That's the real question, because it's like, how much of data can we recover from light? And if we get faster than light travel, can we get ahead of light? We know that when we take a picture, that's just light. So if we can get ahead of light, we can go faster than light. If we can go exponentially faster than light, theoretically, you're basically moving into the future, I guess.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4162.254

then couldn't you take pictures of Earth in the past? If you could take pictures of Earth in the past, why couldn't you recreate them with this new technology? There's your time machine. You don't have to worry about fucking up the timelines. You're just taking pure data, having it interpolated by whatever the next computer is after quantum computers, right?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4181.605

And then simulating that reality and traveling into it as whoever you want to be. I mean, it's pure... uh, hedonism, you know, it's like right now we think of hedonism as fucking a great meal, making some money, nice car, red wine, but future versions of hedonism could really just be like, I just want to be a dinosaur for 50 years.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4238.463

You can't. And that is, by the way, I think there's a new phase in recently married dudes who I think there's a new phase that happens. I think I went through it, actually, which is like that experience you had. And when I reminisce on my life in the past prior to having kids, which I fucking love. But when I reminisce on the past, the memories that come to mind.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4262.16

a lot of them are like snorting rails of ketamine and playing God of War.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4273.082

it was good times but nothing like and i really mean this it sounds cheesy but i really mean it like what i was going for there that's what i get just on any given day when in the most right you're looking for highs and the highs of the love of your families above and beyond anything else unquantified you ever tell you uh chapelle's take on it no

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

429.77

Yeah. You've probably experienced it. I've experienced it.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4301.655

It's wild. And that can hurt. This whole romantic, hippy-dippy version of love, I don't think that's quite what love is. A fairytale love? Real love. It's like that expansion. You know that thing... where you go from one size butt plug to the next. But you know what I mean? It's like, it stretches you out in a way that nothing else could have.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4330.792

And when you consider, when I think of like the past versions of me and realize in this confused way, that's what you're looking for. You're looking for that. And that impulse is being subverted or captured by, you know, hedonic technologies that are paradoxically probably keeping you from having that experience. You know, they're they're they're getting in the way of that experience.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4358.47

But and then and then like new dads, you've got to shed that skin. Like, you know what I mean? Like I had to like fucking like let go of that. And it's such a habit, you know, that form of life, video games, drugs, like, you know what I mean?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4378.482

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But yeah, and that probably sounds like a bummer to a lot of people out there, but it actually, this is the way, you know, and it feels good when you're in it.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4465.419

Well, you know, man, this is the thing about mental illness. Like, and there's lots of studies that have been, what do they call it? A folia do, right? That's the name for if you are around a crazy person, you can actually, like if you're around a paranoid person long enough, you really might start thinking the walls are bugged if they're charismatic enough, right? Sure.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

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So there's a quality to people who are charismatic and distorting reality that is contagious. And then when you add to it, it becomes a fashion statement, right? So basically the idea is if you have some form of mental illness, It's not like I should shame you for it, obviously. You need care. You need compassion.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4507.741

But one of the really, I think, very dangerous things that has emerged into the zeitgeist is that compassion has been confused. So in other words, what you might call enabling compassion.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4522.148

they are calling compassion because the idea would be you're right now you need to get better let's get you better right not like right now this is just how you are and you really don't have any hope so this is where and also i congratulate you on your courage and all that's good by the way it is courageous if someone has mental illness to announce it but

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4547.745

When you go to the next step, which is actually the fact that you're trying to lose weight, the fact that you're trying to balance your life, That is an aggression. You know what I mean? Like now you're aggressing against all the people who have this. It is a slap in the face to the people who have it.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4566.631

What I'm saying is there's a culture where the normal societal pressure to try to make yourself healthy, which, by the way, if you go back a long time ago, if it's just like you and me and everyone in the green room and we have to survive in the wilderness or something like that.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4584.065

There really isn't time for somebody to – it's dangerous if someone is doing things that keep them sick because we have to carry them. You know what I mean? We have to carry them through the fucking wilderness, and that means we might die. That lowers our survival chances. So the idea is you don't want to enable – people who are hurting themselves.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

459.892

I mean, think of all... Firestarter, Carrie, Stranger Things. This is the fantasy. When I was a kid, dude, I would sit when my dad was working in his apartment and try to make shit on the table move with my mind because I'd been reading books on telekinesis. One day...

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4611.659

You don't want to enable people who have a chance to no longer continue the patterns or to take the medicine or whatever the fuck it is to feel better. You actually want to help them feel better, not keep them frozen in this thing, which is a demonstration of their enlightenment. Because that's the thing, when sickness is health and health is sickness, Well, that's the ant-death spiral, dude.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4640.157

That's how you create a very sick, unhealthy world. In other words, if you met some raving, paranoid person who was convinced that there were nanobots inside of them that were reading their minds and controlling their thoughts— Duncan, I told you that in private. I'm sorry, Joe. It's just not—

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4663.007

That's a sad place to be. We got to get you out of there.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4668.936

Exactly. Exactly.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4692.419

Yeah.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4717.033

Yeah. We have to track him. Dude. Everywhere he goes. Absolutely.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4725.097

And by the way, if you and I are talking about this shit in elf suits, you better believe somebody in the DOD, somebody in Raytheon or Lockheed Martin is like-

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4741.067

Whatever.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4754.696

Yeah, didn't know. Got to break a few eggs to make an omelet, man.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4760.801

Sorry.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4765.805

I'm really sorry.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4768.828

In retrospect, it was a mistake. Like, we shouldn't have done that. I mean, again. How crazy is that? That's a real thing. Or when they release some shit in the subways. Whoopsies.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4782.458

Whoops. That was a big whoopsies, boys. Gain of function research. Whoopsies. It was real. Whoopsies. No. Whoopsies. It was true. Dude, so when you... This is where, to me...

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4793.926

if you do want to align with a classic paranoid state of consciousness, the way you align with it is you, and without having to go on InfoWars, without having to go on Reddit Conspiracy, just look at what is true, like is verifiable. Like what do we know right now? So what we know right now, there are unknown drones hovering over New Jersey.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

48.377

Satan is the Lord of the earth is the context.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4816.199

We know that the president of the United States has been incapacitated for years. For years.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4830.601

Not anymore. We were conspiracy theorists. Now our shit is like mainstream, just basic journalism. The fucking... The President of the United States has apparently been out of commission for years.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4858.855

When, like... He's all there when they got the cocktail right. And he's like dialed in and he turns into a warlock for a second. Like, you know what I mean?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4873.146

When the eyebrows move up. Dude, that's like something, that's a lich. That's like if you were in a cursed tomb and that thing comes around the corner. That is scary. The Sauron that comes out of him before he goes back to sleep is terrifying, but even more terrifying. is the network of people around him. You know, you see those—it's really cool, the dancing dragons.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4899.564

It's like six dudes in a dragon suit dancing, and it looks like a real dragon dancing. Oh, right, right, right. Biden is the dancing dragon of presidents. He's got God knows how many people just fucking, like, working so hard to get that thing to function— Just in like brief moments. You only need him to function for like 10 minutes at a press conference, 20 minutes here. Get him off the plane.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4925.502

Get him in the fucking building. If we can pull that off, we'll have power for a little bit longer, a little bit longer. Dude, when you consider that we apparently live in a democracy, you elect this dude who makes decisions because in some way, shape or form, he aligns with what you want the country to be.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4942.851

And the people fucking puppeteering that that poor old man are just like, no, actually, fuck you. He's not going to make any fucking decisions because he's incapacitated. He's gone, gone with a fucking wind. And now we're in control and you didn't vote for us. That is terrifying. That is so that's in a way that's worse than a coup, because at least with a coup. You see the military. They come in.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

4969.105

The tanks are in front of the White House. Some dude is suddenly the leader. And, you know, it's not the guy you voted for.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5000.635

That's right. And what a brilliant coup.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5007.239

I guess we have to redefine that.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5015.384

Right, I know it comes from that, but... Is there a difference between a coup and a coup d'etat? What's a coup?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5025.13

It's the same thing. A sudden violent arm.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5102.363

Well, but again... You can't have only a mask. Who's running the deal? Okay. So again, it's like... This is the fantasy of any hippie or whatever. So the idea is... Predicted in the New Age movement, and I think you'd argue in a lot of religions, is the consciousness shift is happening. The age of Aquarius, whatever the fuck you want to call it. Consciousness shift.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5128.402

And so the idea is that what we're witnessing is... essentially the collapse of a way of doing things that is collapsing. And as it collapses, it starts making big mistakes. One big mistake would be people figure out that we have had a president who is basically incapacitated, meaning we don't really need a president. The whole model starts falling apart. Also, when you realize, like,

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5165.143

they like if you watch basketball or skateboarding watch skateboarding now versus skateboarding when people started skateboarding like the tricks like people are doing now versus what they used to do right and you see how quickly people when something's fun or important how quickly it evolves right right so the coup is problematic in that again you know a coup has happened the ultimate coup

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5192.803

is to have a figurehead. Now, it's a hacky trope, I guess, the idea being that every president is just a fucking puppet, right? But the problem with that puppet is that these are puppets who actually do have power. They will make decisions. Even if there's a lot of pressure from God knows whatever the web of unknown people is that tries to grab the steering wheel, they can say no.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5220.856

So that's a problem. So if I want to control the steering wheel completely, dude, what's better than an old man who has dementia? Because I could tell him shit happened that didn't happen. I could show him news sources that aren't even real. You know what I mean? I could literally like. He probably pretends to be able to read. His eyes are probably gone. Dude, absolutely. Probably pretends.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5246.475

Absolutely. And then the other side of it, aside from it's a coup, it's completely unconstitutional, it's a fucked up takeover of the U.S. government. If you just look at the abuse of the right thing to do when you have a president, a bus driver, Whoever who's got senile dementia is to say, hey, guys, he's really sick and he can't do the job anymore.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5275.933

And we have to find somebody else to do the job now. That's the right thing to do. But these motherfuckers are like, no, no, no, no, no, no. We'll lose our jobs. We're in the fucking. Exactly.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5292.344

That's right.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5294.646

That's it.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5343.25

Yeah.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5379.619

That's right, man. Let's just vote. The idea is, like, if I'm a kidnapper... And I kidnap you. And I, I don't know, knock you out or something. You come to and I explain we're married. I need to pull that off. We're now married. I've just kidnapped somebody. But now they think that we're married. What I'm saying is. If you're gaslighting, you really need to execute perfectly gaslighting.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5406.553

And so the problem with – and I think this is the buried fucking headline in the drones, in the Kamala coup, the president with senile dementia, is that – all of these actions taken by the federal government have not just corroded people's trust in the federal government, but potentially like annihilated it. Meaning now, you know, if I'm kidnapped by somebody

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5436.744

And they're like, no, here's why I kidnapped you. Oh, God, there's that great movie where somebody ends up in someone's survival bunker and you wonder, is it really the end of the world or is this person kidnapped? He's saying, you can't go out there. But it's like the idea is the moment – if I've been kidnapped and I actually buy into your shit, that's going to create a lot less anxiety for me.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5457.026

But the moment – Your kidnapee stops believing you. Whoa. That's not fun for anybody. And right now, I feel like that's the general mood, is people just don't trust. And the people that do have Stockholm Syndrome. That's it, dude. That's it. That's it.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5513.438

Plague rats.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5516.099

Listen, this is...

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5553.376

That's right.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

570.74

when like you've got a cold drink and it gets a little wet on the bottom. One day as I'm doing that, because of that, it slid forward. And like, I was like totally freaked out because I thought I had used telekinesis to slide. It was just luck. It was just luck. It was just a badly balanced floor. It was just a shitty fucking apartment in College Station.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5742.017

That's right.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5749.02

No.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5750.281

No.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5886.672

Let him cook! Also, though, when you realize, like... This is like, you know, when the DNC starts astroturfing Reddit, when the DNC starts astroturfing 4chan, when the DNC started doing that, using all that fucking money. And it's so funny because the astroturfing after she lost, it just stopped.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5906.428

explain astroturfing so the idea is like i infiltrate message boards post uh political messages disguised as like somebody just putting a post up i try to redirect the conversation or essentially imply a consensus that doesn't exist and so there's ways of manipulating the algorithm apparently on the dnc's discord server they were talking about the best ways and times to post on reddit

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5933.411

to attempt to move the fucking needle. It's kind of amazing, isn't it? It should be illegal. It's so fucked up. Full-blown propaganda. I don't know, we did a renegade rogue commercial for nicotine pouches on Instagram. You have to say, this is a sponsored post. So why is it that if you work for the DNC or volunteer for any state entity...

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

595.581

But once you recognize the flaw in the operating system in humans, as a kid, for a few days, I was like, shit, I might be telekinetic. But once you know people want that. Or want to believe in it and how easy it is to manufacture those moments and then claim responsibility. Holy shit, dude. You can really pull some strings on people because there's an assumption. Let's say I do know.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5957.341

You don't have to say, also, I'm doing this as a volunteer for the DNC. That's why I posted this. You don't have to do that. So that's invasion of the body snatchers. That's the, I'm pretending to be a normal person. I'm infecting the data sphere with propaganda. And if I do it enough, it will create the illusion that this is the consensus.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

5980.732

And the reason you want to create that illusion is because people like to sync up. That's what they know. They love to sync up.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6123.744

Well, listen, this is true.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6174.727

That's right.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

622.334

I really believe in telepathy. I'm positive it exists. But the assumption then would be like you get around a telepathic person. Well, they must be good because they're telepathic, right? They're a magic, so we should trust them. This is where people get real fucked up.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6258.201

The best.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6267.718

No telling. Imagine if there's a civilization under the water. I mean, that's where I would hide if I was trying to hide from a civilization. It's the ocean. It's clear. They can't get in there. They can't breathe under there. It's a perfect place to hide.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6359.381

Why are these fucking drones with their drones? God damn it. It's the meltdown. And you know, if you, what you're saying, like, so if you look at like a Crick and I think it was Crick wrote the, um, uh, he wrote a paper theorizing about, uh, directed panspermia, which is where you put it. So, so, okay. Directed panspermia.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

638.543

These are called – in India, they call them cities, which is if you meditate a lot, you begin to like – well, I would say comedy is a city. It's not special. I was talking to Luis Gomez about sales. That's –

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6380.339

I get some kind of nanobot, which is, I guess you could say that's what DNA is. Nanobot precursor, essentially like, Well, I think it's weird. And maybe I don't understand what he's doing completely.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6390.477

It's weird to me that Musk wants to send humans to Mars because it seems like it would make way more sense pre-sending humans to send drones, robots, to construct whatever it is you need to survive on Mars, to go in the caves, build the fucking... Well, that's the plan, Duncan. Oh, really? So it's not people first.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6414.078

Okay, great. Yeah. That makes sense.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6421.905

I mean, if we jump for 20 years.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6455.308

Dude, so. So obviously like the way you're gonna wanna colonize habitable worlds is you create not just this nanobot, but you make it so the nanobot can only survive in environments that you would live in. Meaning, and then encoded in the nanobot,

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6475.083

is the end destination, what you're talking about, the quantum computers, some kind of AI that then will naturally uncover faster-than-light travel, wormholes, whatever the fuck it is. And then when the wormholes open up, you can instantaneously travel to habitable planets, right?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

654.353

really good people and get in your head and get you to buy shit he was saying it's like basically magic and it's like so hypnosis hypnosis yeah but man have you ever been hypnotized yes i have it's interesting right dude my mom hypnotized me when i had a wart because she had heard you could hypnotize people and the wart goes away hypnotize me

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6643.92

There you go. Man, listen. The... Whatever it is...

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6649.586

No! Whatever it is, it's not bad. I wasn't believing it as I was saying it.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6654.17

But, dude, you know, I think you look at just the concept of epigenetics and what we're doing right now. You look at the statistical probability of DNA evolving based on the age of the planet. You look at these things. And not just that, you look at the mythologies of the world, it all points towards some kind of advanced intelligence, bioengineering a planet for some reason or another.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6683.56

I mean, even like, have you ever read the parable of the sower? You know that Jesus said, can you, do you mind pulling that up, Jamie? I don't have it memorized yet. The parable of the sower.

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S-O-W-E-R.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6701.694

No, like planting seeds.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6703.936

Planner, the parable of the sower. S-E-W-E-R. But when you think about this, generally this is the idea of like there's people who are going to like understand Jesus as God. But if you look at it as an extraterrestrial intelligence planting seeds on planets versus it becomes this like crazy. The sower is the. Yeah, the pair of the silk. Whoa. Though seeing, they do not see.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6730.443

Though hearing, they do not hear or understand. And then, where is it? Oh, yeah. Then he told, a farmer went out to sow a seed. As he was scattering the seeds, some fell along the path and the birds ate it up. Some fell on rocky places where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly because the soil was shallow.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6750.31

But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched and they withered because they had no root left. Whoa. Listen to this.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

676.866

said something about the wart going away within a couple of weeks I swear to you that wart fucking dried up and just fell off my hand whoa yeah whoa what the fuck whoa what the fuck

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6815.426

Well, let me answer it in a parable. You see, imagine a flower growing from stone. Sometimes the stone is angry at the flower, but sometimes the stone glows with light. This is why.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6842.234

Well, I think it's an acknowledgment of a kind of spectrum of intelligence, right? It's like the idea is like let me give you a little data fractal here.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6865.729

It is. It's an absolutely a sign of low intelligence if you're so idiotic that you think. And you'd be mean. Yeah, but how do you feel it?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6891.576

Yeah.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6976.133

Yeah need to be around the people that are the cream of the crop of that. That's it. Yeah, that's right, man and and that I watched some of that and I loved it because I Well, that's what compassion looks like.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6993.238

Yeah, exactly.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

6995.239

Yeah, it wasn't designed to humiliate.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7049.813

I love that. Super nerd talk. Inside baseball, comedians do it too. Like when we're like breaking down a joke to a minute person. Pause or something. It's the same thing. But yeah, man, I mean, this is what I love when you read about the history of science. You read about famous physicists getting in real intense fights with each other.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7075.912

And you see that the process of discovering the truth does involve a kind of mutual curiosity, but not being afraid to say this is fucking wrong, but allowing the other person to fire back because you both know that via this conflict, potentially you discover something new. And that was the attitude. I mean, like this whole thing where suddenly...

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7101.292

Normal people aren't supposed to engage in science is really fucked up when you look at like the history of science, which used to be maniacs like Newton, who they analyzed his hair.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7115.043

mercury in his fucking hair bro everything had poisoned it back then well no but he was experimenting with mercury he was interested he's like building scale replicas of the temple of solomon you know like you you look at that and you see that now newton today You know, somebody like Don Lim would be like, oh, really?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7134.602

So you're going to believe Isaac fucking Newton with mercury in his hair and his little dollhouse like the Temple of Solomon? Oh, yeah, he's a real scientist. That's not what they look like. It's like these people are out of their fucking minds. Sigmund Freud just injecting fucking liquid cocaine into his veins. You look at like the history.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7157.421

Freaking out about his mom fucking shoving cigars up his ass. I don't think he really did that, but I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised. But you look at the history of what brilliant people who have shifted the culture actually behave like Tesla. Fucking Tesla. He's in love with his pigeon. In love with a pigeon. Didn't want to... The thought about...

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7178.886

castrating himself because his sex drive was getting in the way of his research. So he's like, I'll just chop my dick off.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7188.653

Yeah, dude. So you sort of like realize that for whatever reason, the priest class of default reality of which Don Lemon is a high priest have suddenly created this ridiculous version of scientists, of philosophers, of intellectuals that are domesticated people

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

72.045

Can you imagine saying that? Like, it seems like a nightmare that you would wake up from.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7208.266

people normal fucking people is actually really awful in the sense that all of the like philosophers and scientists out there today who are like you know in their filthy fucking apartments who've been staring into a candle for like five hours they're not thinking like i'm a scientist They might be. You don't know.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7233.26

Basically, it appears that the power structures in the world want to create this homogenous version of humanity within which there's all these declawed people who completely align on a few things.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7251.215

ridiculous facts absolutely and you can make those people very clawed if you bond them together to attack anybody who doesn't stay in line that's right yeah that's right and that is what again like a coup or you you get rid of the president at least you know it's not the president tyranny

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7269.58

Where you don't have soldiers in the streets, but a kind of societal pressure, an unending pressure trying to push. Online bots. TikTok, the reels, the algorithm. Like, dude, have you ever looked at pendulum sync up?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7287.569

I know it sucks because I try to send you some TikTok shit and you can't look at it.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7297.195

I'm sorry.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7302.399

I keep hoping you will. I try not to. I'm not giving in. Well, it is so incredibly hypnotic. It is so advanced in what it does. Not interested. It's really creepy, though, because it's homogenizing people. And that's what I don't like. It's creating this synced up. And it's creepy because the TikTok dance is...

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7326.517

is actually, if you think about it, it's really a symbol of what it's doing for a lot of other things. Like maybe you're not doing a choreographed dance with your family in front of the Christmas tree to some dumb song, but why is it that everything you say I've read I've seen written exactly in the same way on Reddit.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7344.565

Why is it that every opinion you have matches, not just like the idea doesn't match, but the way you're verbalizing the idea is like a sentence that I've heard over and over and over again in different places. That is so spooky to me.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7396.056

I saw that. I know what you're talking about. Is that real, though?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

742.415

Well, I mean, the placebo effect- It's real. Is real. I've heard it's one of the most powerful effects in medicine. Is it really? Well, I mean, yeah. Think of the new cancer drugs. They tell your immune system what to attack, right? So if somehow you could do that without the drug, and that's where it gets interesting, right? Because- We, these are our bodies. Right.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7441.377

Discord server.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7518.259

Well, why don't you go to their accounts?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7612.114

Also, you know, the idea is you get these people to dress up like humans and then just get them to, like, intone whatever the fucking thing is you want them to read, and we think they're one of us, and so we believe them.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7641.484

That's the one where she's wearing the UFO necklace. You'll see. She's wearing a UFO necklace. She's a kook.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7648.21

I don't know who she is.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7649.932

All I know is she's in front of a podium, so I trust her.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7656.438

You must be telling the truth.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7659.181

Totally. Yeah.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7667.787

You can just buy it.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

767.735

Perfectly metabolizing, transforming so many things instantaneously, the heart effortlessly beating all the fucking time. So theoretically, purely theoretically, what if you could control more of it? Like how much of this thing can we actually control? And by the way, that's a really fun thing to think about because like, not much. So do you ever think about that?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7671.829

That's a terrible responsibility for him because you have to treat it really carefully. You have to put it in a vault. They have dudes.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7680.272

Did he say that? No. No, he won't. I said that. I promise you. He still believes. He's not going to jerk off on the Torah. I promise you. He's going to put it. Oh, Talmud. The Torah he won't jerk off on. Dude, how about this one? Jamie, can you find... You remember that lady they hired for the Ministry of... It wasn't called that, but it was like... Yeah, yeah, Ministry of Disinformation.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7705.216

Okay, can you find the Ministry of Disinformation lady singing Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious? You've seen that. Of course you've seen that. That was crazy. Cindy Orwell, I think her name is. Cindy Orwell.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7758.666

Isn't this what Animaniacs did?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7819.447

It's fine if the United States isn't literally trillions of dollars in debt and partially because people like that are getting hired to sing fucking Mary Poppins shit songs about misinformation. Then it's an atrocity.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7836.66

Dude. She should get. I mean, look, Nancy Pelosi deserves every penny this year. Bathtub full of diamonds.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7858.669

What was it she said?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7956.092

Well, here's the problem, man. I mean, the problem is, well, number one, I think, okay, like you pull someone over, you breathalyze them, they're driving drunk, right? So you're like, you can't drive now because you're drunk. So also you wouldn't say to them, I'm going to give you the ability to pardon as many people as you want for any crime that you want, right?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

796.274

Like you sort of think like, okay, like I'm – how much of my body can I really do anything about? I can eat good food. I can exercise. But all the quantum processes that are happening within, all of the things, you kind of realize you're just the tip of the iceberg. You're just the yappy tip of the iceberg.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7977.507

So if somebody has dementia... Right. Right.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

7987.632

Yeah. Why would you still give them that power? Well, the other thing that's really fucking crazy about it is I don't know what the president makes a year, but it's not enough money. We barely pay the president anything. I think it's like $400,000. $400,000 a year. You can't say that's barely enough.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8005.089

No, I mean for the actual job. I mean literally every day you're shitting blood because no matter what you do, you say the wrong thing, 5,000 people accidentally die. It's the most stressful job on earth. I'm saying the actual thing theoretically in my mind. So I would say in the way that we pay our football players a shit ton of money, baseball players a shit ton of money, the dude –

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8027.402

Theoretically, keeping our country from getting nuked should make a lot of money. Why not? How about this?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8044.418

To me, it's like on your way out. You sell pardons. On your way out, via some God knows what mechanism that's probably been in place for a long time, people are able to give you this or that, and you pardon that person.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8063.195

That's where it's fucked up. It's like, dude. Come on, bro. Come on, man. That's trading. That's how it works. That's how it works.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8072.263

We're going to let out murderers. And then especially if you got cooed. So especially you got cooed, you got humiliated, they didn't give you your drugs.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8084.408

It's insane. Let him out. Why not? Let him out. You're going to do kids for cash? You're not going to do Joe fucking Exotic? Yeah. And how is Joe Exotic DMing me? How is this happening? I think he, because he knows, because you will say things like this. Does he have a phone? Joe? Dude, I feel like. Are you allowed to have a phone, Joe? Can you have a Twitter account?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8101.312

Joe, I feel like right now, because of you aiding Trump and getting elected, and I don't think you're the kind of person to do this, but I do feel like you could probably call in at least one favor. Get Joe Exotic out. Dude, why not? For all of us.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8120.799

Okay, sure.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8127.244

Really?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

815.427

And underneath it is all this stuff that is you but really isn't you if having control of yourself is like a way to identify this is me. So what are you in that swirl of particulates? Like what are you in there?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8157.109

I'm a sovereign citizen.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8163.114

The Pleiades?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8171.017

What a great song. What a great fucking song.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8178.139

That's an incarnation I would pick. If there's a VHS library of incarnations, there's a long line to be Johnny Cash. I'm picking Johnny Cash. Oh, my God.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8218.749

100%.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8224.753

I mean, if there was a simulator, and this is, again, like.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8228.655

Oh, my God. Behind bars, live in San Quentin, 1991. Damn.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8254.964

Seriously, you're thinking about that before you go on stage. They like Paul Rodriguez.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8261.629

How do you know?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8268.213

There's a guy probably in the audience who wore his daughter's entrails as a necklace.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8275.037

Ate his neighbors. Fucked his dog. It's badass. That's a badass move. Crazy move. That's a badass move. I mean, dude. When you think about all the shit that we're talking about and really when you sort of look at like just among our group of friends, the insane events the last few months.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8319.66

Yeah.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8320.661

Reading the Necronomicon or something.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8325.884

Yeah.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8327.004

You're cooking.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8335.529

I mean, just think about what that's like to be the star. I'm saying as far as power goes. I think power must be so addictive. And so you're the fucking president, not just the president. You're like this kind of rock star president for a second. Yeah, one of the greatest presidents of all time. Of all time. And so you lose that power. And now what? You know what I mean? Now what?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8358.515

And then you try desperately to like grab control of the thing and you can't. It didn't work. So essentially whatever like prana or energy you've been extracting from having that kind of power, it's gone. It's gone. Now you have the nice house, but really, what's left? You are at the fucking control board for America, and now nothing. You wither. You deflate.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

84.348

Oh, you're not allowed to say it until there's absolute peace and harmony on the planet. Then we can start saying it again. This is so scolding and weird.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8435.587

Like when Altman came out and said this year, the CEO from the company, I think they make, I don't know, one of the other AIs said two years from now, I think. But the idea is if Biden came out and was like, guys. Got some news. We've detected a mothership. It's coming to the planet in a year.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8459.886

We don't understand anything about who they are other than they must have extraordinary technology based on what we've seen of their ship. I'm good. The whole planet. The next few years would just be getting ready. NASA, anthropologists, philosophers, scientists, defense people. What do we do if they want to fuck us up? What do we do? How do you interact with aliens?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8480.861

But having these tech people say, we are about to have a brand new species, essentially, a technological species. An AGI is coming to the planet that will surpass... Us, as far as being able to solve problems, we'll know everything. It's going to be here in about a year, maybe two years. You would think the reaction to that would be, okay, we've got to get ready for this. What does that mean?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8506.878

What's going to happen? And we can't get ready.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8544.947

Yes.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8547.229

Well, I'm... You know, it's not going to happen. I'm sure if... you could travel back in time. And there was an intelligent, semi-intelligent version of humanity, one of our ancestors who still had a workable tail. And you're like, hey, I want to show you what you're going to grow into. And probably there'd be a lot of things they're excited about. Whoa, cars, incredible.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8570.787

Jesus Christ, you can shit in your own house? Wow. But then they would see that we didn't have tails. And they'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8580.134

i'm not doing that if i lose my tail so this is for sure the sort of cultural drama that we're seeing is and and you know the the trans controversy uh there's aspects to it where like yeah why why dude shouldn't be in sports but the reality is where we're going is going to make that controversy seem like nothing.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

862.051

Yeah.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8684.404

No way.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8688.745

Is it really called the taint?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

873.993

Yeah. And also, though, you know, when you get into the telepathy idea, which is sort of like the question is like, you know, right now. we identify our minds as some kind of neurological process, right? So the idea is like we have this like biocomputer and somewhere in there is our mind. Everything out here, not our mind.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8740

Yeah, sure.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8742.141

Aren't you glad they're genderless? Sure. Can you imagine if the greys had big swinging dicks? Giant hogs. It would be horrible. Those grey pictures would be very different.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8804.612

It feels crazy to me that you have to say that. It's so crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8909.7

That's right. And also where it gets really fucked up is you are dancing to a song.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8917.182

that basically there's like here's two songs there's two songs you can dance to the right song or the song of the left the the metronome is beating out two i guess somewhat different rhythms people dance to those they get in fights over you got to do our dance yeah meanwhile there's a million other songs out there you could be dancing to and there are songs that are much older than america much older than then maybe the planet itself which is that's why i i really think

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8947.777

it's creepy the way that like Christianity or any religion where there's theism, it's in the list of things that should be decried by an intelligent person. We shoot down this notion of God. We shoot down this or that. But all of these religions, at the very least, they give you a new song to dance to that isn't fucking war drums. Right. You know what I mean? And they don't like that.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

8976.374

They don't like that because suddenly you're supposed to be perturbed. Like, you know, that stupid.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

899.125

Even though everything out here from a neurological perspective is our mind. Everything you're seeing is an instantaneous interpretation of a variety of phenomena that gets compressed into reality. And then... You say, oh, out there, that's not me. But it is you. It's like it's you in the way if you put on VR goggles, you know, except in this case, the VR goggles, it's your neocortex.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

90.91

Only when they cleared that vet did we give them DACA status. And now we're talking about taking it away. It is morally wrong.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9000.55

Oh, and also to most people that I have encountered. who have a lot of people i've encountered who are rejecting this religion or that it's i get it it's religious trauma i just ran into somebody at best buy recognized we had a long conversations religious trauma they were raised in some kind of like form of spiritual abuse and in that snake handlers Bingo.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9025.154

But listen, if you want to handle snakes, great. The problem is if you tell a kid to disregard their rational mind. In other words, the introduction to the conversation of questions regarding this or that are not met with like, oh, yeah, it's a good question. I don't know. But are met with...

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9044.201

you're going to hell you're going to hell you're demon possessed so then you experience that and of course you must reject the thing it's like when you when you have a hangover and you smell tequila you can't connect so i get it but the the main thing is what's what i love about religion or christianity is it's like just try it on for size what happens if you pray I know you don't believe in it.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9072.477

It sounds insane. What the fuck are they talking about? It sounds absolutely nuts. I know. It sounds absolutely nuts. Now, what happens if you pray? Just for a few days, what happens if you pray? And then, once you start doing the experiment, it starts off with like, this is just, I'm going to do it. It's probably bullshit. Opium of the masses. But then you realize...

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9097.068

you're getting pulled in, not in a bad way, but right away there seems to be some feeling of connection, some sense of something a little different than what you're used to experiencing. And sometimes that can get really scary for people. And they're like, fuck this. No, it's getting me. And it's like, to me, that should be the experiment of anyone who's skeptical.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9120.056

And if you're skeptical about Christianity or any religion, you should be. You should 100% be skeptical of... It's like what Mark Twain said, religion is what happened when the first con man met the first fool. You should be skeptical. But if you read the Gospels... and you realize like the part of the story there is an invitation to connect on your own. You don't need the priest class.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9147.903

You don't have to listen to the fucking rules. You don't have to like, it's just between you and the eternal and see what happens. To me, that's the number one thing is just investigate, explore, and don't let anyone subvert your rational mind. Use that as a form of connecting with the thing.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9168.114

Even if you connect via rejection, it's still worth a wholehearted exploration, at the very least to experience a cultural trance. I don't think that's what it is.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9232.053

That's right. And getting away from and also connecting to each other and transcending state propaganda. Like this is the this is like my favorite verse in the Bible. They're trying to trick trick Jesus. I don't know. They're asking.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

926.767

It's all the processes that are making color, light, sound, et cetera. So if we're sort of sharing a dual reality, which is all the phenomena that's being interpreted into our minds, somewhere in there is the possibility that we kind of share a mind. So from that perspective, all these other things become possible. Telepathy, all of this stuff.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9283.877

Good question.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9319.312

Why are you doing this? You can turn water into wine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9340.52

Dude, yeah, he's got to be good at everything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9345.023

You're doing it and you're like, I don't know. He's not tapping out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9371.135

Not good at pickleball. I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9382.118

Just that. You gotta be like, dude. Roll the window down.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9396.092

I just read that they used to think smelling farts in a jar would cure diseases. What, it doesn't?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9428.82

It does. Look. You don't know. You don't know. Read that. In 2014, news headlines.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9436.624

These claims are based on a University of Exeter press release that was not about smelling farts.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

948.625

Like, you know, you get around funny people, you get funnier. When I was doing the Midnight Gospels around all these artists, I got better at drawing. Like, you share a mind. It's the gestalt or, you know, where three or two or more of you gathered there will be. Something else comes in the room.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9510.89

There's only one way to find out.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9513.832

Get Ari to fart in a jar and smell it.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9527.685

You think a cap, but then you've got to get the cap on real fast.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9531.63

Jamie, can you Google it?

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9551.886

Gas mask.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9555.808

Right, fill the jar.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9563.973

Or just the jar only has, yeah, a little fart. I want a 3.30 a.m.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9572.278

That's going to cure you.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9593.789

Why is it called anal... Wait, that can't be real.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9600.152

Anal chemistry.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9606.076

I mean, you farting in jars. The sad thing about that article, though, because it comes out. And so that means there's people who think farts in a jar can cure cancer. And that means that somebody was laying in bed dying and someone who loved them came up and said, I know this is going to seem weird, Dad. but I need you to smell this.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9662.148

Now that's a horror movie right there. Like you find like a 17th century fart.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9708.263

Maybe that is the fountain of youth. Maybe the thing they're trying to hide from us, the most obvious thing, is if you smell an aged fart, you're going to reverse age.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9763.316

Can you pull that up again? I find it interesting that someone wrote an entire essay on how to do this. Will you go back to the beginning? I just want to read. How do you introduce the story here? How do you bring this up to a fucking person where you want a grant? I recently caught my four-year-old nephew attempting to fart into a jar in the hopes of saving it for later to surprise Grant.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9810.778

Jay!

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9814.946

I want to show you my jar collection. Those are my farts. Now that's New Year's Eve. And he's torturing animals. That's a fart when September 11th happens. That is a fear fart.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9836.971

Merry Christmas.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9840.032

Easily. Easily. Easily.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9843.653

I know. It's crazy. Like me either. I don't know what happened. Usually you have to piss like four times for this. I know.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9850.455

Likewise.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

9853.576

You are too, man.

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#2247 - Duncan Trussell

997.033

Yeah.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10013.526

I looked at all the dudes. Now, my dream, let me make sure I didn't steer you wrong on that. My dream was to do these things out of being driven. Like, when I moved to Nashville, I wrote on a chalkboard, write a number one song. You know, win a CMA award. Oh, you had a vision board. I had a little vision board. Nice. But I didn't understand.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10042.735

I didn't really comprehend the money after that because I didn't know it. And I didn't know, like... Like, people are like, I'm a big Georgia Bulldog fan. And they're like, did you go to Georgia? And I'm like... Buddy, me going to the University of Georgia when I was 18 years old, I mean, I barely – my dad barely got the money for me to go to the community college 12 minutes down the road.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10067.64

So going to Georgia didn't – I didn't even put it in there.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10168.118

It's good for your life. I lost my brother and my sister, and my sister's husband passed away. And, man, I lost my brother at 26, my sister at 39, and her husband died at 45. And, man, it is present. The daily appreciation of this deal is visually present.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1018.226

I love how big – that's the best way to describe –

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10202.501

Well, and I tell people, man, you meet – I tell people, man, really be careful because if you make it to 80, you're going to get popped with something. I don't think you can get through this thing –

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10221.405

No, no. I'm saying you're going to lose something. You're going to lose something, dear.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10225.529

You're not going to get through A to Z without really a hard loss. No, that's just a part of life. But some people, man, they're just... Delusional.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1024.293

I get it from him. Your big horse racing guys, their adjective of themselves is, I'm a degenerate. That's the first thing they say.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10279.2

I don't do it bad, though. That's what's funny.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10311.583

Yeah, we're the lab rats.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10325.267

Think about, I think about this all the time. I would go stay with a buddy. at his house, and he'd go, man, I rented Faces of Death.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10342.648

I wouldn't watch them. I'd be like, man, my parents told me not to watch that. He'd go, what? You don't want to watch this guy get electrocuted? And I'm like, fuck no, I don't want to watch a dude get electrocuted. Dude, we're watching people... We're watching people.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10371.651

I mean, legs breaking. Oh, yeah. I mean, I remember Joe Theismann. When Joe Theismann broke his leg. Dude, it like shut the country down.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10417.218

Oh, I can see it coming, but I do love... I do love the funny, comical aspect of it that gets me and a cup of coffee dying laughing at some person being a goofball. Or memes.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10439.331

What's amazing is we've gotten to where we can see the meme happen and predict the meme and the memes on your phone the next day. And you're like.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10483.632

Well, I mean, there's a million places we can go, but, you know, you look at, Yeah, I mean, the damn children, my kids, I mean, we're yelling at them every day, get up, get off the phone, get outside. They do a good job, but, man, I think it's just a part of their deal.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10509.066

Like my son, he's a 16-year-old quarterback. And, man, he watches all these other quarterbacks. Hell, there are 14 recruiting download sites. And my son's like, that dude right there is the greatest quarterback in the country. I said, well, how old is he, Bo? He's 15, Dad. I'm like, Bo, we don't know what that little shit's going to be. What are you talking about?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10544.775

He goes, well, Dad, he's a five-star and he's 15. I'm like, Bo, your dad, when I moved to Nashville, I was a one-star country singer. If I'd had a rating next to me and probability of me making it, yeah, it would have been a one-star. I worked myself into hopefully a three-star. Three-star recruit. And he's looking at me like I'm crazy. And so one of those kids... He played them.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10576.291

Now, my son's not starting. He's backup quarterback to a great quarterback. And we played them and we beat them. We get down. He gets home after the game. I said, what did you think about your little savior there? He goes, he's still the greatest quarterback of all time. I said, boo, he lost the fucking game. He's 15. Just, son, let it – let's let life happen before we anoint.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10616.352

Exactly. He don't know what's going to – Yeah, you're 15.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10621.953

You don't know what – yeah.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10626.614

Yeah, some new Russian exchange student that needs an English tutor.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10670.228

Yeah, but girls are way, I mean, I just.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10676.052

My heart aches for girls in this.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10736.878

When I have my 14-year-old go, Dad, I'm anxious about this. I'm like, I didn't know the word anxious. Right. I didn't know the word anxious until I was 35 years old.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10754.929

It wasn't processed as anxiety. It was processed as like. Life. Yeah. Getting nervous. Yeah.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10761.354

I got a big test. My stomach hurts. I got to go take a shit. Right, right, right. Yeah.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10808.394

Best thing ever.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1083.899

But when you transition to that... 30, 40, 50,000 a hand, you'll be down a million or two. And I say, because I've watched some other buddies that bet on that level, I'm talking about like 15 hand swing is an $800,000 swing. And I'm like... But that's the scary part about gambling.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10832.471

You know, what amazes me is, man, what breaks my heart is when people think they're all alone in their thing that's hanging up their life.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10846.246

When you meet somebody and it's all scaled way differently, like when you meet, you know, you know, I've had people, you know, you know, when you when you grow up in a country music band and you're on the bus for hours with buddies and everybody go, they got their own life and then, man, you find out.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10868.932

I had one band member almost kill himself over something that if he'd have just had somebody say, man, I have that too.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10879.948

Right. And he would have not felt alone.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10884.17

And people have got to quit thinking that they're the only ones that have gone through this thing.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10896.244

Yeah. That's why you need friends. See, my household was a man. We sat at the dinner table, and, dude, it came out. What? I'm talking about. That's good. And then, but my wife's household was, man, they, you know. Bottled it up. They bottled it up, and it all worked, and we don't know who came out better.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10916.182

But me and my wife, you know, we work on, like, you know, we work on, like, I mean, like, my wife never saw her mama, like, in the shower before.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10930.535

like just shower and you know like walk through the house naked i mean hell we had one bathroom it was like we're a bunch of damn naked idiots running around trying to get to the bathroom and my wife said yeah my mama did not uh shower with the door open and i'm like or and i'm like really she's like i'm like you're kidding me never once i'm like just that's kind of crazy

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10960.361

My 16-year-old, so my beard... We're living in our guest house right now because we're doing some work to our main house. Our main house had stuff that just kept happening, and we were like... We're moving out, and when we move back in, have it all fixed. So we got three, we got a 22-year-old, a 16-year-old living in the same house.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

10981.765

When my wife stored all of my bathroom stuff, it's in a box somewhere on my shaving gear. I run into my son's bathroom, my 16-year-old, and I grabbed his beard trimmer. I grabbed his fucking trimmer sitting there, and I shaved my beard, and I'm all up under my nose. You smell ball hair? No! No! I get in my truck, and I'm driving down the road. My son gets home from school crying, laughing. What?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

11011.38

Dad, you shaved your beard with my ball trimmers. And I was like, you little shit. First of all, I'm like, what in the hell? 16-year-old manscaping? What the fuck's going on? It's a new world. I know. I'm like, dude, I never imagined you had... I don't even think he's... You know, whatever. These damn... It's so fun, man. These kids. My dad... God, it's so amazing. Dude, we were elk hunting, man.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

11049.629

My 14-year-old, we got this really cool, when we go elk hunt, we got to wade across a river to get to our elk spot. And the first couple years, man, we just stripped down to our underwear and hung our boots and all our gear on. and walked underwear, and dude, it was kind of like, we're really men, you know? And so Tate and Bo, Bo the first time, I would put him on my shoulders and walk him.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

11084.206

Well, then after two years, we were like, dude, let's go by and get like eight pairs of waders and sit them on the bank and we'll leave the waders and everybody's like, that's a damn good idea. I'm like, yeah. I mean, how many years does it take y'all to understand, go get some damn waders? So Tate, for the last three years, I've toted him across the river.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

11105.574

And, man, I looked at him the last day of the hunt. And this was Tate's year to try to get an elk. And he – actually, Dad, I kind of messed up the elk hunt. I moved and spooked the elk, which was great because he realized that just because you're Luke Bryan's son, you don't get the damn elk. And I said, hey – um, I said, uh, I want to touch you across the river. I said, you're growing.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

11133.28

And this probably the last year. So I told him across the river. And then on the way back, he goes, Hey dad, I want to wait it by myself. And man, he, uh, he, what you don't realize how much your kids really are watching you, but we're sitting on the bank and he's watching me. And I sit my bow down and he takes his bow and sits it down. And he watches everything I do and it was cutest thing ever.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1114.313

When you start, when you don't have much money and you grow into some money, but your level of what you want to press your anxiety level and your endorphins and all that, it grows with your wealth. And, man, next thing you know, you're –

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

11158.009

I haven't even told my wife. So every year I take my boots and I tie them in a knot and I, And I hang them and throw them over my, because we're toting gear, and I throw my boots over my shoulders so they don't get wet. And, man, I looked at him, and he's sitting there tying his little string. He stands up and throws them boots.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

11176.966

And he just, man, watching your kids just absorb it is just, you know, it's pretty damn special.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

11186.973

Well, it's a. It really does. Kids make it.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

11196.242

I hope we... How long was that?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

11204.228

Three hours.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

11212.935

Tight jeans. Everybody hates me.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1134.641

Yeah, right. That goes away. Right. Well, it's like the whole, you know, there's a lot in society that... I think we're preyed upon with that thought process, gambling and a lot of- Dopamine hits.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1150.443

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then once one level of the dopamine levels out, then you go to the next one.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1162.892

Well, I can say that- I always have fun with it. I mean, I've always had fun gambling. And a lot of times I take my band after we get off stage and we'd have one band night and I'd like set them all up with some chips. And I've gotten at a craps table where I can kind of manage everybody's bets. And I'm like, don't do that now. Wait, wait.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1183.297

And it's kind of like the, you know, steering the mothership. And we had some great nights, you know. just laughing and cutting up and cheering. Like I said, one guy walks up and everybody rubs his head for good. It's just camaraderie at the craps table. I gambled so much at the craps table.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1217.094

I'm out there, like, I'm playing, and I look at my, you know, because they work in teams, you know, and my team comes out on stage, and dude, I was roaring laughing. I'm like, yeah, so.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

126.389

He was all in with the gambling. One of my dad's famous quotes is – So he flies me out to Vegas when I'm 21 or whatever, and man, I had like, we were in college, and I took like 300 or 400 bucks with me, you know, just broke as shit.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1260.153

And then my, you know, because we're obviously southeastern Tennessee Bible Belt. And I don't know, but there's certain states. I guess Tennessee is a legal gambling state because... Or maybe George. I can't tell. I have to talk to my nephews, all of his buddies, and see if they're on the little apps. But, man, they'll go sign their buddies up to get the $200 free.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1283.91

I mean, they got all kind of a racket.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

1293.796

You got to pay the Indian reservation tax.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

1296.538

You know, you got to pay your 50 cent to do the dollar bet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

13.198

Hey, what's up, Luke? This has been a long time in the making.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1300.961

Do that math.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1317.479

They're great places. Typically on my way kind of.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1322.026

the mohegan i'd go play there a couple years i did one night i did three nights there and dude i'm like getting off stage just sitting there gambling and you know i'm like am i coming out ahead on this gig or what but i think i got out there making a little money yeah it's it's weird though that you could do that legally like well then even like in tennessee and tunica back in the day you just put a barge on the mississippi river and you can gamble it's like well what is that all about right that's that show ozark

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1351.227

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

1351.867

Well, totally the same premise. You know, it's like put a barge on the river and now let's take all these people's money.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

1371.478

Yeah, that's the two analogies, degenerate or riverboat gambler. Be careful of all of them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

1399.329

I elk hunt every year in Colorado. Is that where you've done – I've done Colorado.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1407.475

Yeah. Well, first of all, Cam Haynes and I, we've got a connection with Cam. Yeah. Just love that guy. So when I saw Colorado do that, I was like – It's just like, what are we doing, guys?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1432.135

Well, we can really dive into this and let's do it. My thing is... We are so governed in the world of wildlife biology through the states and stuff. They're not going to let humans ruin animal populations, I don't think, anymore. No, of course. If anything's going to happen, they're going to mess it up and let animal populations get too big. Right.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

145.755

And two hours into the trip, lose my money, and this was like, well, where we still had truck phones, you know, I'm not even sure we were like toting, no, we certainly didn't have like the Motorola Razr where he could just call me, so... He just goes looking for me and he calls my hotel room and he's like, boy, what you doing? He's real southern Georgia.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1464.401

I was, and I don't know who to name or whatever, but I was with some guys with Wyoming, and we're talking about grizzly bears. And I said, man, you know, because they brought up grizzly bear problems, and I said, well, what is the deal? And they said, well, there's 1,400 to 1,500 grizzly bears in Wyoming. There needs to be 500 to 600 grizzly bears. And five of the 1,500 are only hunting humans.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1498.716

What? But there's not that many human deaths. Well, in Yellowstone, if you pay attention, there's about two or three that get... Right, but those 500 grizzly bears that are just 100 humans... No, five, five, five, not 500. So there's five grizzly bears... Right, there's like five grizz... Sorry, this probably won't be the first time I... I'm not totally clear with you.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1525.351

But, yeah, so there's 1,400 to 1,500. There needs to be 500 to 600 grizzlies. But of those five to six, of all of them, five of them have like, oh, we don't care about salmon anymore. We want to sit by this trail and pick off this hiker. Jesus Christ. And that is a high-up biologist in Wyoming telling me that. And I'm like, well, why won't they let you all go in there?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1553.678

Let some hunters – think about the – you can do the math. Do a $30,000 grizzly bear tag. Do a $20,000 one. They'll go for that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

1565.523

Go in and let it – manage it right. But there's one federal judge that's got it all shut down. One judge.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1578.072

I went on a bear hunt in Alberta, and there's so many grizzlies now, you can't even go. It was through cams people. John and Jen. Yeah. I saw them recently, and they've had to move.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1602.284

Was it you that was talking about they were trying to determine a male grizzly versus a male gorilla and who would win?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

1611.03

Me too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

1619.315

Well, but when you think about $30,000, $40,000 per grizzly and then the guiding fee and then the taxidermy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

1627.581

Think about the taxidermist.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

1635.871

All of it. And then at the end of that, nobody's going to let the grizzlies get... Exterminated.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1644.681

And then when you look at the population, how beautiful the elk population is in Colorado, and how amazingly managed it is in Colorado, for public hunters, for a guy like me that can go get an over-the-counter tag, I think they're probably going to wipe out over-the-counter tags for out-of-staters. They're going to make it a draw tag.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1664.353

And then, now the wolves get to eat them, and I don't get to bring my elk hunting money in and give it to the... Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

170.231

I said, I lost all my damn money and hell with this place. He goes, well, you ain't going to win it back in the goddamn room. So, I mean, once you have that mindset in gambling, certainly, I mean, when that's your dad going.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1724.975

So I went on a salmon trip up in British Columbia. And what – 99% of your interpretation of a grizzly is this big old fat chunky thing. Well, so we're flying in on these helicopters to go – The salmon runs that are running up into the mountains of British Columbia. And it's an amazing trip.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1753.289

Like you fly over in the helicopter, you look down, you see the huge schools of salmon, you take your fly rod and you go catch them and drink your beer. Well, helicopter pilot was like, hey, man, we've seen some grizzlies. In the area, just – and, you know, at the time, we're like, man, this is all part of the – Experience. Yeah, it's like get us kind of going a little bit.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1774.262

Well, we land, and the night before, we didn't fish that day, so we'd flown in and drank some wine. And, dude, you know, my eyes are like fuzzy, and we're fishing, and I tell my guy I'm with, I'm like, hey, I'm going to go to the helicopter and get a beer or something. And, dude, I get there, and I pop my beer, and I'm like – I look down the river, and I'm like –

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1794.858

fuck, that is a fucking grizzly coming toward my buddy. And I went, Jay! And dude, it was slim and like a damn, it was lean and like a greyhound. Not, I wouldn't say lean, but it hadn't got all fat on salmon yet. Well, it comes down the bank. And jumps in and we ease back to the helicopter. We look back, here comes another grizzly, literally 30 yards from us.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1828.861

And I'm like, we get there and I'd left my beer on the bank and my grizzly sticks his tongue in my beer. And then he jumps in the river. I run, grab the beer, drink. I'm like, grizzly spit. Anyway, the helicopter pilot goes. You did not drink a beer.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1854.465

Some berry infection or salmon infection. Moose ass. So listen, dude, we get on the helicopter and the pilot's like, man, they're getting too comfortable. We take off, fly a mile down the river. I'd already had my fly rod together. I never broke it down, so I sat it in a little basket, and we land.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1874.269

I take off about 200 yards, start fishing, and I had to slide down this 20-foot cut bank where the river had cut the bank. I look across the river, and here comes a grizzly bear galloping on the other side of the river. And I'm like, well, I've already seen the other two mature ones. And I was like, well, that's a baby grizzly. I was like, that's cute.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

188.493

And so that's been a famous saying when my buddies, you know, when they're down and out, down two or three grand, and they're pouting over the bar, you know, you're not going to win it back at the goddamn bar. But I did – I went through phases where, you know, I never really got financially behind when I didn't have money. I would just – I controlled it pretty well.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1901.322

Dude, that grizzly hits that bank on the other side of that river and jumps about 20 feet in the air and lands in that river. It looked like a Volkswagen VW bug hit that river. I take off to the helicopter. All my guys are like, get here, get here. A mother and two of the babies were on my tail.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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And when I got to the helicopter, dude, ruined my whole trip. I couldn't relax.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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Oh, they're the ones that... They fuck everybody up. Yeah. In two seconds.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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It is... So that was my grizzly encounter.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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The thing about it with me, now listen, I grew up deer hunting my whole life, ducks, dove, quail, and man, I always had a soft spot for bears. And probably I still, it's not like I got to go shoot bears every year. I mean, whatever. But when you find out, when you hear you are a hunter and there are...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

1997.378

Like when I met John and Jenny, and they were like, Luke, there are so many that need to be managed. I was like, man, that's cool. Let's go do a bear hunt. Had a great time and didn't get all heady with killing a bear. I mean, I know guys in Tennessee, in Gatlinburg, Joe. I mean, dude, they are darting black bears off second-story Holiday Inn balconies. They're digging in.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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100%.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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And they dart them and move them back into the Smoky Mountains.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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And I did my two years out there. I never really had any big beats or anything like that. But I do love to just – man, I love to just sit there, have a drink, have a cigar, and watch Dice and Cards because you're just not – you're just sitting there and your mind's checked out. Right. It's like –

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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Joe, my mother lives in Mexico Beach, Florida. On the panhandle.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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And they, like, trash cans turned over every day. Crazy amounts in South Georgia and Florida.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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They're dense, dense with bears.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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So down in the furthest, most southern corner of Georgia, Bainbridge, Georgia, and all that, and then Mexico Beach, Florida, around Lake Seminole. I mean, they're everywhere down there.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2236.261

Well, it's... You know, like I said, I'm not the... That's a perfect shot. I think there's healthy numbers of all of it. And like I said, when I see... You know, when you see... I don't know. Wolves and Elks.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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Yeah, you see they got it in a slide. They had to put it in a... Well... That's crazy.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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Well, and you know, the sad part about, I think, California, you know, the whole... The gallbladder deal, I don't know much about that, but there was a black market for black bear gallbladders.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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No different than going to the driving range and hitting golf balls or sitting on the bank fishing or sitting in a deer stand. But I got out of there. I got all my gambling, at least for now, out of my system. But it was great to meet your kids there.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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I hope they had a great time.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2316.678

What's Far Rockaway?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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Did you ever see the guy that filmed the 10-minute grizzly fight?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2414.893

Well, they're going to... That's the thing. I think it's no different than... I mean, I grew up in South Georgia with gators and... Yeah, same thing. You get one comfortable with you, man, and it's— Not good. It is not good at all.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2448.048

Well, I had whitetail hunting. And I remember, man, you know, being a 14-year-old kid shooting a deer and having remorse. But then you need to have that remorse, too, as a hunter. You need to understand. You're taking a life. Yes. And you need to. And I tell my boys that. My boys have grown up in it seriously. And I'm like, hey, man.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

251.844

Well, it was a fun show because we got to really do a lot of bells and whistles out there that aren't available on normal shows when you're out touring and stuff because you're having to take down stuff, be real mobile out there. We put a lot of stuff in the room. Right.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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Stag, yeah.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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Yeah. And then and listen, you know, the success rate of the proper ethical things always line up that that that you know, you don't the success rate doesn't always go like you wanted it to. Right. And but, you know, the fact that. Hunters still are working every day just to keep hunting, and the fact that hunting is declining so bad.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2660.68

One of the best... Things that's just naturally happened at our house. And my wife is, you know, my wife's like typical housewife, plays tennis, great shape, doesn't, you know, when she kind of eats like a bird when she does eat. But man, she will call me and she'll go, hey, let's have elk night. And because we keep our freezer in my garage and I've got all my tackle in there.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2685.484

And she has through the years understood that. Like, hey, I'm going to run out to the freezer. We're going to do taco night. I'm going to throw all the elk meat in the sink and start thawing it. And, man, over the last five years. I've woke up and we haven't had beef, cattle, hamburger, tacos, spaghettis, bolognese. We haven't eaten it in five years at my house.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2712.725

It takes you a minute to go, hey, put it in the freezer and then plan your dinner. We all get busy with kids and stuff like that, but I'm so proud of her that she'll call me and be like, Hey, I'm going out to the freezer. Do you want me to get these elk tenderloins? Because by the time me and my... I got three children that go out there with me now, and two or three of us will get one.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2734.638

I mean, we got enough meat. Like, it's awesome that... It's the best food.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2741.064

Man, when you pat out an elk patty hamburger, like, your hands have nothing on it. Right. Like, I mean, you could take beef patty and just like... It's just like...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

276.727

And we had our routine. I mean, I had my room and, you know, about 6.30 I'd hop in the shower, run down there and get on stage about 8.30 and knock it out. And 10.30... Somewhere at a craps table.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2780.7

Well, yeah, and, yeah, when you can go, like, we, at my place, my deer place in southern Tennessee, yeah, man, we just, we make sure, man, I got a big walk-in cooler there. And if we're not going to take something in there, I've got some red stag at my place in Tennessee. I did a high fence down there. So between stag and white tail and elk, you know, we're moving meat around and making jerky.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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They do.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2831.681

We, um. It's interesting because Tennessee is very, very strict on their whitetail.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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Here he is.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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So my 14 year old has been going to Colorado with me since he was five or six. And when they're that little, obviously they can't bow hunt, but we would get an elk down. And I'd let the boys hike up with me and pack the elk out. And one day we had another hunter with us going to get an elk. And my two little ones were following me. And I said, well, we had an elk bugle.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2891.869

I said, hey, boys, stay right here. And they're six and eight. And we went up the hill and I could keep, well, Tate, right before I walked off, he goes, dad. Are they going to kill us if we sit here? Because those elk bugle, I mean, you can feel their bugles in the woods. And I said, no, son. You can feel them in your chest. So we went up and tried to call this elk in.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2917.055

And then some elk did actually cross in front of them. And there's six and eight just sitting there, this big herd of elk coming by. And we come back. And I was watching. I could see them sitting down there on this tall log that I put them on. And I got back and they were like. I mean, you know, having your boys, I mean, that's what I live for.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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And I just wish we could create a narrative where getting your children doing that will, I mean, I don't know.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

2973.958

What is this? That is the tricky part, really, with all outdoors. If you could bridge the gap between... all parts of urban life and allow urban life to find a place to go But we went through a phase in outdoors where landowners were like, if you hunt my land and you twist your ankle and break your leg, you're going to sue me. So no, you're not allowed to come hunt my land.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3001.445

So all the deer get overpopulated, eat all my crops. And then, so I think now states, I think Tennessee has put a law into where some of those getting sued. Well, what I'm saying is that feeds people's, Inability to go find somewhere to hunt, too. I mean, so many people don't have a 50 acre farm. They can't afford it, but they want to go hunt.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3028.469

And then I just hope the hunting community and even the whole outdoor community can make it more accessible and landowners. I mean, I had this little lady that that. I wanted a turkey hunt. She had 60 acres that bordered like a 300-acre track of mine. And I was like, ma'am, when I'm out hunting and some of my turkeys or our turkeys may cross onto your property, do you mind if I go?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3053.041

And her house is a mile away from home. Or it's 50 acres. It's probably 400 yards. She thought my shotgun was going to shoot through her house and kill her. And I had to spend 45 minutes. And she grew up in Tennessee in the country. And she doesn't understand that a shotgun is not, you know.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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And so, man, the education of it all, just the bridge and the knowledge of it gradually gets worse and worse.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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But the need for it gets greater and greater. And I tell my children all the time, I'm like, boys. There is no drug in the world. And I'm not a, you know, I'm a pretty straight guy. I've never done much of that. But I said, I got a lot of crazy buddies that have. And when a big elk's walking in or a big whitetail or you hook a big fish, the adrenaline from that, no drug will replace it.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3113.092

I've seen the documentation of the wild stuff.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3252.66

Well, here's the beauty of all that in the outdoors. You know, when you – here, these are mild. They're good, though.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3261.144

That's good. Man, when you kind of conquer one level of fishing or hunting, then there's another one you can go learn the space in. You know what I'm saying? You can go... And what I say is, like, I just... I mean, from the elk hunter that I was... The elk hunter that I was 10 years ago, like, took so much... Took so much work... To even get from a 10% knowledgeable elk hunter to a 60%.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3296.543

Now, I can watch that elk react to everything and know how that elk's reacting because I've done it for 11, 12 years now. And I've taken my boys. Well, so when you get tired of whitetail hunting and whitetail hunting gets rudimentary, then go try to dig in and take it to the next level to challenge yourself.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

33.363

So we were able to keep that. Keep that a good little secret to them.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3321.779

That's what's so fun about, like, when I got, I was always a bass fisherman, always a bass fisherman, never a fly fisherman. Well, then I got into fly fisherman, and that became the new seven-year challenge that I... You tie your own flies? I can now, the little, I can tie big streamers. Right. But, like, the little bitty... Where you gotta get, like, goggles on and shit.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3345.394

It's a real art form. Totally. One of the most rewarding things you can do is make your own fly and trick a big fish with it.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3379.597

The handling of the trout, like when I was, you know, I grew up bass fishing and we're like, and the bass flies out of the water. We grab it and, you know, as kids we're like, ah, we throw it, you know, you catch a trout and it's like a, it's like a creature. Yeah, it's like a team in the delivery room comes in to hold the brand-new baby. Heck, they treat newborns.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

340.597

And you already were studying them for years.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3401.466

They're slapping newborns around and getting their lungs going before you mishandle a trout. But the whole mystique of trout and all of this stuff is just, man, it's outlets for all of us. I mean, I remember when I moved to Nashville, man, my dad, he kept me.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3420.072

fishing and hunting and he wound up being a pretty dang successful business guy and he all he told me he goes dude when you move to nashville don't forget to take time to go do that stuff and you know for about two or three years Man, I didn't. I was focusing on my career. But now as I roll out, you know, as I'm kind of... Established. You know, man, it's been the highlight.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3447.291

And the fact that three boys landed in my life, like, you know, my wife's like, it's not even fair that you have... Because I can always use one of them. I was like, well, baby Bo, you know, he's really been stressed at school and he wants to hunt this evening. She's like... I know your game. I know your game.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3495.439

Right.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3501.441

And that's why, you know, you hope—the whole education of hunting and landowners and conservation of the animals and all the land ties into where, you know, landowners need to— have a better understanding of, man, give this old boy a break. Give this guy that just knocked on your door and asked permission the good old-fashioned way, man, give him a break and let him take his son or go hunt.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3529.312

And don't hoard your 15,000 acres to your dad.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3543.003

Dude, I had a guy shoot a stag. First year, I put my stag in my fence, shot him right off the road. Really? Left him. Man. Oh, my God. You talk about pissed. Right off the road.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3556.849

Shot him and left him.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3559.771

It's the bad apples, you know. They're out there.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3570.076

Man, I don't know. You know, I guess enough whiskey and an old back road and a rifle, you'll— Shitty education, bad childhood, all of the above.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3584.221

But yeah, I mean, I look at... I've got Till, my nephew, he's lived with me since he was 12 and then Till's 22 now and Bo is 16 and Tate is 14. And Till was 15 when he killed his first elk. The rule has been if you can pull 55 pounds, you're ready to hunt. And so Bo is a lot bigger than Tate. When he was 13 and 14, he said, Bo, my 13-year-old killed a full-grown elk at 13. Whoa.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3622.022

With a bow. Whoa. Totally the frigging most badass thing I've ever seen.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3630.298

Dude, he did it, and he earned it. And like I said, I've been hiking him up those hills. That's what another—like, the hunting and the killing is—man, when you pack out a damn 800-pound animal, the first time I packed my elk out, dude, when I got to the Polaris, I mean, I was like— I was sobbing like from exertion, like delusional because we took a wrong turn.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3660.737

We hit a big Aspen blowdown, and I had to tote the head and the cape out, and I had to walk over blown-down Aspens with that cape. And once we got 500 yards into the blowdown— And, man, we got to that buggy. And all the elk hunting guides, they're the toughest dudes. Oh, yeah, they're doing that all year long.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3683.446

They're the toughest guys. I tell people, man, if I get called to a serious— If I get called in in a serious war, I'm calling my elk guides. That's my first call. But, you know, and I didn't grow up ever thinking I'd have the opportunity or the ability to go hunt elk. But once you start doing it and – but, you know, man, this week I killed – Thursday I killed my biggest whitetail I ever did.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3712.479

And, man, I was so – I'm so – like overwhelmed by killing it. I haven't even like, I don't even know if I've enjoyed it yet because it was, it kind of happened fast, but it's just so fun. You got a picture? How big is it? It was big. So listen now, and so I didn't post it because it's obviously in my high fence and you know the, you know, but man, this deer was born in the fence.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3740.14

In Tennessee, you can't bring any genetics in. You can't do anything, whatever herd you have, Whatever wild Tennessee deer you have, you have to grow them. And man, this deer, Joe, when he was two years old, we were like, what in the fuck? What a UFO ship dropped this off in here.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3763.884

He started with huge mass, different looking genetics, and we watched him for, we grew him for, we feel like he's five and a half. Whoa. Dude, we are over the moon about this deer.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

377.441

I bet y'all, were you betting with them too at that time?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3778.431

I know.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3781.893

I guess all together it's probably 1,200 acres in the fence.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3793.558

I'll put it to you this way. We put about 18 red stag in there. We don't know how many there are. That deer might have got fucked by a stag. I think he might have. I think his mom. Yeah, he might have crossed. A hybrid, yeah. Dude, we will ride around. We have too many stag, and we'll try to thin them out. Joe, we can't find them. Like... Literally, like, we'll spend a day.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3823.148

I'm like, hey, grab the rifle. We're going to pull up here, walk this bottom. Can't find them. There's 60 of them in there. We hunted them for four days this weekend. We killed two.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

383.544

Don't get in any trouble now either. Don't lose the gig.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3841.94

Yeah, and I – you know, listen, I mean, there are a million ways you can criticize me for having the high fence. But, you know, I have low fences that we bounce back and forth on the low fences. Because that's fun as hell, too, to not know what's walking in. But the main thing is I wanted my boys to have the ability to manage deer and grow them. And I grew up – I love South Texas.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3869.254

Big, big – I love South Texas deer hunt. Like – But I learned, I leased a South Texas place down here. And then I learned having young children and my schedule, man, to go on a South Texas ranch, commit that much to a South Texas ranch, and get five days there wasn't my thing. So my high fence in Tennessee is kind of like my little ode or my little homage to my love for South Texas whitetails.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3898.784

So you can keep it close. Keep it close. It's 55 minutes from the house.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3903.746

And it's a retreat. I get down there. You know, Starlink has ruined us because now we have Internet. But before that, man, we'd pull in the hauler down there and you'd have to drive up to the hill to make a phone call. But, oh, Elon saved us on that.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3924.511

Well, what was funny is the first time we saw the satellites come over, we were at elk camp. You know, my nephew, Till, he's 21, and we're all liquored up. And my nephew, he goes, guys, I know we've been drinking all day, but what in the hell is coming toward us right now? And we were like, and then we had one guy in the group was like, God damn, that's Elon Musk.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

395.39

Really?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3965.497

I mean, my wife, when I went to elk camp, my wife was like, all right, I'll hear you. I'll see you. I'll talk to you in six days. First day, elk camp, set the Starlink out, FaceTime.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

3999.971

I hunt South Texas every year, and the ranch we went to last year, At any given moment, you can drive and pick up 50 backpacks. They just... That ranch looks like... And I hadn't been... This ranch was closer to the border than I've ever been. And there are piles of backpacks and tarps. You know, they'll take tarps and...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4031.26

put the tarp out, and they'll wait in the day, and then they get picked up at night, typically. But when they get picked up, they chunk their backpack. The ranch I was at, they have to have a full-time team of people just going around picking up backpacks and keeping trash off the ranch.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4054.228

It's heartbreaking because, dude, if anybody, dude, I can't imagine having to walk through that brush to get to freedom. Right. And not knowing where you're going. Not knowing where you're going and probably you have kids.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4069.834

Dude, when I leave South Texas, I'm pulling cactuses out of my ass for a month.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4075.237

Especially if you do, you know, you go rattle for them and stuff.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4083.16

And water, yeah. When you think about, man, you get your water rations. Yeah. You miss that.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4104.691

Every ranch I've went to, the ranch owner, you know, they're encountering two deaths a year, 15 to 20. Most of the time they come up to the main headquarters needing water. And when they get to you – or that's been my experience with talking to ranch managers down there – They're very, you know, they're not, I don't think they're there to create any problems.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4129.145

They're just like, hey, you know, we need some water.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

4134.586

Get a better life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

4175.43

Yeah. Well, I think, you know, and even imagine before, like, the oil booms and oil rigs and stuff. Like, now they have a little bit of visual lights to walk to.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4186.317

I mean, man, I couldn't imagine.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4189.179

Just striking out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

4205.09

I don't know. I mean, you know, we've been there, and, you know, the guys, they open box blinds. You know, they're hunting towers, and there's a family sleeping in the box blind. Man, you just got to feel so sorry for them.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4219.295

I mean, how bad—I mean, I thought—I mean, dude, I remember when I was— 15, 16 years old, processing Cubans where it's so bad that you're going to fucking piece together a raft and you're going to give it a go for Miami.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4237.085

I remember being 16 going, how bad must that be? How bad must that be? Pretty fucking bad. Pretty fucking bad.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

4288.079

It's from Africa to Cuba to Venezuela. The whole African... Yeah. That whole...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

4295.229

I haven't, but I know I will. I can go on this show and say, man, I'm not one of those guys that's thinking about an elephant or lions and all that. I love to bow hunt, and I like plains animals, you know. Your kudos and all that stuff, man. When my boys get a little older and we can do a proper two-month – currently, sports and my children have ruined my hunting life.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

43.212

So, thank you. Well, Vegas, you know, that was wrapping up Vegas. So, yeah, that was a fun two years of residency there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

4323.14

Well, because my boys are going to play all the sports. But when we can get a – I'd love to do them a gap year and let's go do a true safari.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4333.104

And when I say safari, that doesn't mean I want to go hunt 60 days. I want to see all of the Serengetis and all of the animals and take in the animals for a month and have the wives and the girls and the girlfriends and we sit out there and do the safaris. But then I want to carve out two or three days where all the boys go hunting. You know, go get the true Plains game.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4356.079

And I would love – man, I tell you, it's a pretty cool story. My pilot, my lead pilot is South African. And during COVID, man, he couldn't – his mother was dying, and he couldn't get down there to tell his mother bye. And at this point, I just kind of got to know AJ. And, man – I've always heard that South Africans are pretty badass dudes.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4384.023

And at the time, I was learning that AJ's a pretty badass dude. I didn't altogether know it, but... Well, he got with me, and he goes, Luke, man, it's still – I cannot get into South Africa.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4397.999

It may have been his mother or his wife's mother, but I called some local guys, some local Congress guys in Tennessee, and they granted him permission to get down there, and they got to tell either his wife's mother by it. Well, he comes back, and he's like, Luke, I now owe you a Cape Buffalo. What? And I was like, what? He goes, my family has a big ranch. We're overrun with Cape Buffalo.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4427.549

And you now have one of my Cape Buffalo. So, dude, he is going to fly me down there. And I'm like, that's just kind of the way he's wired. But, you know, he's going to help us with some safari stuff.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4441.241

yeah now they are bad yeah you you don't just go running up to them yeah like with with your not your shit together that's a big animal that's like a 1800 pound animal right maybe bigger and like all muscle

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4516.705

The true form of like, yeah, no, that's even a whole nother level of true organics when it takes you.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4524.07

You know, when you're jerky, jerky right out of the right out of the, you know, right in the field.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4535.479

I mean – Because most plains animals in Africa, historically, they say are far beyond our plains animals as far as the meat. Like your kudus and your – I mean, I'm drawing a blank on all the plains games. And like I said, this is stuff that I'm like –

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4554.64

totally elementary in because i don't i just don't know much about that whole african thing it seems like the things that the big cats want to eat are all delicious right yeah like uh i shot a meal guy a couple years ago and tigers eat them right did you ever eat the meal yes delicious and the meat is like a even more vivid a more vivid red uh color to it than even our you know our elk and stuff

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4582.165

Well, it's all delicious.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4598.742

Sit there and pick them off. They know what they're doing. Well, have you done Africa? Are you going to do it? I would like to. I'd like to go over to Africa just to see it. So you really got it. Cam, was he kind of your catalyst?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4611.07

And, God, I mean, it's like you had— It's like you had – Michael Jordan teach you how to play basketball. Yeah, Michael Jordan teach you how to shoot free throws. Yeah. It's so fun, though. But, you know, even with – I tell you, man, I dove hard into duck hunting. And you talk about – you talk about, I mean, learning to blow a duck call.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4630.878

And when you think you know how to blow a duck call and you get next to somebody that blows a duck call and you blow yours and the room starts laughing at you, like ridicule, like – Take your duck call off and put it in your bedroom and leave it when we go hunting. And I'm like, dude, I've been working on this fucking thing for four years. And they're like, and it's so funny.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4657.046

Yeah.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4662.068

I mean, it's like you walking in with a tutu on.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4678.8

Listen, man, let me tell you something. Dude, I got given a chocolate lab about eight years ago. And here comes this wormy-ass chocolate lab into my home, you know, scrawny. And since then, oh, my God, that damn animal has thrust me into duck hunting just so I could take him duck hunting.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4707.766

I have to go for the dog. Yeah, for the dog.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4711.307

But, man, and my wife is – this dog, man – This dog can open every drawer in our house. He can open Frito-Lays with his – he can smack Frito-Lays open and eat them. He can – he is – he's pushed a porcelain pound cake, a pound cake on a porcelain island off onto the floor, ate the pound cake and the porcelain dish, and – Like, X-ray, 100 shards of porcelain in his stomach.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4744.77

The vet's like, put that fucker out in the yard. And if he makes it, if he lives, call me back. He lived. And now I have duck hunting properties. And we're in the house blowing duck calls. My wife's like... I mean, my wife's like four boys in the house, all of them blowing duck calls. She's like, man, one day, yeah.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4773.193

We have elevated blinds that are brushed in and some brush. And then we have pit blinds that are, you know, when you get down in a pit blind. And then you lift it up. Yeah, you're right along the water level. And then...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4785.82

you know we have uh you know there's experiences where you wade in the woods and they they come down in the woods and and man it's just uh and and it's uh the thing about the thing that really makes duck hunting kind of like when you're in a blind with your with your let's just say you got your buddies from way back and there's five of you and you're sitting there smoking cigars and you know you're you're in the blind together and you're it's very social too drinking coffee it's

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4814.451

you know, 15 degrees, coffee, cigar, you know, and everybody's like, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up. And you work the ducks. They light in front of you. You kill them. The dog gets them, brings the duck back. You look at the duck, and you're just like... You just have a big old toke on your cigar and you're like, yeah, this is pretty good shit right here.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4837.171

Yeah, man. You know, the thing about it, when you do, you know, your grain ducks, your ducks that feed on your rice and your corn. You know, like a diver duck that eats essentially minnows. Yeah, you don't want to eat that. And geese, geeser. You find somebody that can cook a goose. You know the story about how to cook a goose?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4860.527

Well, you get a big pot and you put a bunch of water and then you put a concrete cinder block in there and you boil the goose and you pull the goose out and eat the cinder block. But some people can make a speckled goose. Speckled bellies are good. But like a mallard and a wood duck. Oh, man, a wood duck with jalapeno and cheese and bacon wrap, which nothing's bad when you do that.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4907.585

Whoever the hell Jesse is. He's a wizard. Well, that's great. He's a real chef. So Ryan Seacrest, he's like, hey, man. Ryan Seacrest, the radio guy? My guy, yeah, at American Idol. And Seacrest goes, hey, I've got a... You need a light? Yeah. He goes, dude, I booked this at EMP, 11 Madison Park. Number one, at the time, number one restaurant in downtown. You know, Adam was...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4938.741

Ryan was taking me and Katie and Lionel to dinner. And I've never been to certainly the number one restaurant in the world. Well, they take us to tour the kitchen. And, dude, they have ducks, walls. Because all of your French cuisine, really the centerpiece is duck. That's like the duck fat. The ducks are the real big part of French cuisine. Well, dude, I see these…

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4967.717

I see all these ducks, and I'm like, what are y'all doing here? He goes, man, we're aging them. So they get these. Now, they're getting probably there. They're getting farm-raised, organically grown ducks, and they age them with the guts in them.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4987.887

The enzymes of the guts pull stuff out of the meat.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

4996.569

And, dude, man, I ate duck. But it sketches me out. Yeah. Well, here's the tricky part, because... Dude, I don't even know if I enjoyed my meal because I picked the chef's brain because I wanted to figure out a way to take my mallards and all my ducks I killed and age them properly. But what you do got to worry about is when you shoot them, you know, you're shooting.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5019.339

The guts are going through kind of in the meat a little bit.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5025.843

You know, I haven't got that good where I all headshot them yet, but...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5032.726

I think it's just above. They're not freezing them. I think it's however you would dry age a cow.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5042.068

Probably 40 degrees and 13, 15 days with the guts in them.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5061.535

It's the guy that ate the first oyster, right? The guy who drank out of the puddle. Right. Yeah. And, you know, it is fascinating in pheasant. And when you look at pheasant and quail and chuckers and... You know, Hungarian partridge now, you're talking about the end all of wild game, in my opinion, at the top of the... That's what you like the most?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5082.75

Well, I think when you look at the pheasants, you know, they call them prairie chickens, and they're beautiful. The meat's a little whiter and less gamier, so...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5092.317

Yes, ribeye of the sky.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5101.599

And, you know, they're wild little creatures too, man. You know, when you take your lab sandhill crane hunting, you've got to fit them with goggles. Because they'll poke their eyes out? Yeah. Whoa. And then... I just got in a golf course property down in Florida, and we sold our beach house, and then we're kind of migrating to this place.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5126.595

And I fly down to the tour of the property, and I'm like, dude. what are y'all doing with all these sandhill cranes? And they're like, what do you mean? It's like a golf course guy. And I said, dude, that's the ribeye of the sky, bro. He's like, he looked it up, and you can't shoot sandhill cranes in Florida. What? Somebody call the governor. Everywhere. Really? Everywhere on this property.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5155.33

Unless they're lying to me because they're scared I'm going to go, like, I'm going to, like, you know, have a psychotic episode and go running out through the golf course with the guns.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5166.876

You couldn't shoot sandhill cranes. They may be protected in certain counties. But, you know, even in Tennessee, Florida Senate protected under the federal— They're protected under the Federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5185.266

Wow, they're protected. Well, in Tennessee, we have – in Tennessee, there's a couple guys that guide them, and I think it's a draw tag. You can draw – you can put in to draw a sandhill crane tag, and then, man, they make a very distinct – something like that. And dude, you can hear them and I'll hear them coming over my farm.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5210.119

And, uh, God, if, if that's the wrong noise I just made, I'm going to get, uh, sounds good. I'm going to, you got it. Whoa. I love this guy. I need me one. That's them. Now that's all of them. Yeah. That's you hear that?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5241.106

Those are Labrador Retriever blinders right there.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5248.071

Man, oh God, here he goes. Oh, my gosh. This is like the grip. Jamie will find it. Sandhill crane goggles for labs. This is going to be great.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5264.428

I guess you've seen those dogs in those side cars on the... Motorcycles? On the motorcycles. Probably that rig. But...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5275.31

i don't think that's the same yeah that's that's like uh that's an aspen that's two dogs being silly yeah yeah but um the um yeah so in tennessee you you can hire a guy and he'll take you and they'll kind of get them coming in an area and i think you get it oh there it goes oh wow oh that's crazy now those look like i think those are snow geese snow geese are probably the same look at their goggles all scratched up too yeah

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5302.574

crane hunt no those are yeah those are sand hills wow that's crazy dogs need to have their eyes protected yeah so when you when you get yeah well you got your golden but man if you get you alive and oh man beware of that because you will get hooked you'll you'll start i'm sure i would be also i love duck duck's delicious oh on the grill marinated in a marinated properly for

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5328.177

A day or two playing on it.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5336.268

And that's what you've got to watch in all wild game is, man, plan it. Preparation. Get it marinated, and, man, you just can't beat it.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5370.203

He was – I think he was drunk and hated us on Fourth of July because he stayed up smoking the Boston Bud every night. You know, I remember my dad, man. He had that old charbroil out there, and he'd get up with his vinegar and all his shit, and he would wake up all night, night before the Fourth, and smoke them Buds, man.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5388.493

But now you just walk out, put that thing on 220 at about 8 p.m., wake up at 8 a.m., and –

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

54.566

Yeah, I did two years, 26 shows per year. Dude, man. Vegas will take a little piece of your soul.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5407.032

Well, and we're in the heart of it in Texas, you know, right here. I mean, these guys take a damn... Propane tanks. They glue four propane tanks together and have a smokestack. And the guy that – what's our guy that does our charity event? Oh, my God, I can't believe – I'll come up with him. Mark, text me –

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5428.653

meat church have you met the meat church dude i've met that dude yeah yeah he comes and he's got some awesome rubs he's got all that but then what's funny is yeah he pulled up to our charity event with this big smoker and man i'm like this is like elon musk style engineering on this thing it's pretty you know and man you know they get out there and yeah they'll look at me and you doing tragers and we're that's about like us that's our version of having a tutu on

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5482.633

See what I— When I moved to Nashville, being a South Georgia boy, I'd never even heard of brisket. Really? We only knew pork barbecue. So when I moved to Nashville and then there's some dude there with a Texas brisket restaurant in Nashville, I'm like, what are they talking about brisket? And this was 2001 I moved to Nashville. This is how insulated you could be in your own...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5510.279

You know, as we talk about the ways of the world changing, I mean, it's like, dude, I lived in a section and everybody, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, they didn't. Brisket was like.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5553.108

And they're probably cooking, yeah, the preferred cuts of like, which cut of the brisket would you like? Not the old brisket.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5587.731

You know, not the ones big as this table, but, you know, about that long. 100-pounder. Yeah. And walk up there on the family reunion, and all the women were grossed out because, you know, you're just pulling the big pig. You know, you can pull that meat off a pig. It's like that.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5635.339

Which you know all the math, and I'm sure you've brought it up on how many sow pigs. They'll kick off 30 pigs a year annually. They can, yeah. And then we would have them roll through our front yard, $30,000 damage a night. Yeah. And for anybody out there listening, if you have this going on, we mounted lights in all the trees around our whole lodge.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5665.006

And you flip them lights on, and we haven't had one wild hog root up our yard since.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5670.649

They will not come around those lights. It's a great tactic.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5676.172

Yeah, and when somebody told him, some good old boy told him, and he was like, man, we'll try anything. You would walk out there, and it looked like 300 landmines went off. And the night before, our yard looked like Augusta.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5693.892

I mean, they are bad little dudes now.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5706.944

It is...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5717.005

Man, if, you know, I don't know, you know, my children, I took my boys. And somewhere there's a, you know, I hope he doesn't hear, but there's a Navy SEAL Marine recruiter because my sons are ready for warfare after doing that. I'm like, but, you know, the guy that we took, you know, he's got a big, beautiful high fence.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5739.326

And, you know, if you fly around, man, you can, you know, he has to thin them out every year. Yeah, you have to. But it's so fun doing it out of a helicopter. You don't want to thin them all out because you keep wanting to do it a little bit. Yeah. But you hadn't done that yet?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5761.605

Well, you know, the... Our pig stuff in Georgia, man, it's fun because you can go on a deer hunt and shoot some deer with a bow, and then we'll take a rifle, and late in the evening the hogs will come out.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5780.961

Like thermals. We have guys with the big trap doors that trap them and stuff like that. So, I mean, they're probably the number one – You know, wildlife. I never will forget, you know, right when like maybe iPhones come out and you get your iPhone news updates. And then I never even knew what the magazine like the New Yorker was or like the Guardian and all those things.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5806.701

Well, the New Yorker, I'm scrolling through and I see feral pigs. And it was this huge article done by a guy, maybe the editor of the New Yorker. Man, he did a great job with that article and just went through everything. And this was 15 years ago I read that article about, you know, the feral hog problems. And, you know, you would think – I don't know.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5829.761

I would think the New Yorker leans quite left. But the fact that this guy wrote the article from a perspective of huge problem – Need to be dealt with was a pretty badass take on it.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5861.808

Well, in Georgia and these swampy deals, you can't helicopter them there. So that's when you get these old boys with their dogs and they run off in the – That'll help.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5877.738

You think about this. So when I start my high fence, the year that I started it – Our turkey population in Tennessee, which it's been going through hell, and you'll hear this, the turkey population in Tennessee was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. I mean, eastern turkey hunting, one of the most beautiful things in the wildlife that the state of Tennessee has. And

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5913.627

110.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5914.427

And night one had over 100 varmints. Coons, possums, armadillos in the traps night one.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5927.671

They eat the eggs.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5929.852

You know, a turkey lays 12... to 14 eggs. Now, listen, I found this out this year. If I can get a couple nuggets that you hadn't learned yet, that's kind of the goal for the day. So a turkey does not lay their eggs all at the same time.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5950.538

They lay their eggs one day at a time. They lay it next to a water source. They go to the water source, hold the water in their mouth, drip the water on the eggs periodically, using the water to hatch them at the same time. Because a hen turkey, if she had to hatch, all the eggs hatch at the same time. But if she had to hatch them for 12 days, she could never keep them corralled properly. Oh.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

5986.173

So she manipulates with water. And if I'm wrong... Now, this is a biologist that told me this. I heard this this year. Totally blew my mind. So in the nest, and I've walked up on them, they got 12 or 13 of them sitting there beautifully. And whatever that hen does, she manages those eggs to hatch at the same time. Wow.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6006.941

And maybe... Now, like a tortoise, I guess, or a beach turtle or whatever, I think they... They spit them all out that night. But a hen turkey does not. Well, so one armadillo rolls by that nest.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6023.769

That's a wrap. She just lost them all. And so there was a big study that went on in Tennessee about the decline of the turkey population.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6036.772

Well, first of all – well, you know, well, trapping now is so rare. You know, trapping – the art of trapping has gone down quite a bit, and the arm of the – oh, and I'm not even bringing up coyotes in Tennessee, but – So, yeah, if they can loosen up, Tennessee can loosen up their trapping laws and make it more available. And you just got to thin out those.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6063.298

You know, armadillos in Tennessee, you would have never. Man, we woke up and we can ride around and shoot 30 a night.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6073.632

Armadillos, 30.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6078.536

Man, I wouldn't recommend touching them. They say they do, but that's – Do people eat them? I'd never heard of that, but you probably can find somebody. They definitely eat raccoons. They definitely eat raccoons and definitely – I don't know about possums, but if you're eating a possum, your ass is hungry.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6099.67

But raccoons, I mean, in Georgia where we grew up,

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6103.652

had had several old timers man they'd get them a coon and it was always a kind of a party deal you know what does raccoon taste like i never had i never well we got an old buddy down there he's like you know what bald eagle tastes like owl so i guess you can say raccoon you know i had a buddy of mine tell a game warden that joke it didn't go over well so but uh there's a lot of shit that people eat that people would go what yeah i mean when you're talking about

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6134.557

I saw somebody do the pig deal with a full gator.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6139.655

And I hadn't done that. I've had gator tail, but I hadn't had that.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6143.797

Put the whole thing on there. Yeah. And they skin it and all that.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6148.459

Yeah. You know what's crazy in Georgia? There's a place, rural. So all the chicken farms down there, huge chicken farms, all of them. Well, what do you do with the chicken carcasses? Well, I mean, there's a lot. They used to grind them up and feed them back to the chickens. But some of them, well, they feed them to gator farms.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6169.549

They put them in a limb shredder.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6176.716

Now, you talk about the most foul smell on the planet. Go into a gator farm warehouse. Joe. Buddy. Just rot. Nothing can replicate. Maybe the Sir Straman Challenge can replicate, you know, the whole Sir Straman joke thing. What's that? You've seen where the guys pop the lid on the Swedish fish? No. Oh, Joe! Sir Straman? What is it? Oh, we did it at our deer camp.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6210.344

It's like an aged sweetest fish that's rotten in a can. It's aged? For years. Like a sardine. And so, yeah, the Sustraman Challenge.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6233.774

And if you can stay in the room with it... Have you tried it? Dude, no one. No, I was outside 15 yards from it throwing up in the flower bed.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6292.833

Sorry.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6303.081

When I'm at America... No.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6403.181

Cow farts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2216 - Luke Bryan

6442.886

Yeah, when you think of Denver and Colorado and the outdoors, man, you've got to appreciate everybody's opinion of, you know, the – I mean, it's a so old term, the granolaist. But it ain't granola no more. I mean, it's –

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6541.863

Yeah, they're going to be saying yay when they're down. I don't know, dude.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6549.249

Dog, everything. Dude, let me tell you something.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6557.154

It's no different than the grizzly focusing on humans. Man, I live just south of Nashville. We've got 180 acres. I've got neighborhoods all around us, man. About every now and then, email goes out. Little Fluffy's gone. Coyotes? We put six coyote traps out on my farm one night. Six for six.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6585.631

And let me tell you what else is a little vicious son of a bitch. A fucking otter. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Otters will fuck you up. Let me tell you, buddy, those things are... I mean, Joe, I'm so... Like I said, my brain is bass fishing and all this stuff. Man, we'll have otters come up into my bass pond. And fuck those bass up. I'm talking about... They're fucking gone, the fish, in three nights.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

66.434

Well, the thing about it is, like, all of that... Get to Vegas and, like, you know, you run to the craps table or blackjack table your whole life getting to Vegas. Dude, I got all that. I'm like, I get to Vegas. I'm like, man, let's just sit in the room, watch a little sports. And I got the gambling out of the system.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6620.689

The fish are gone. And the otters... Eat one and play with the other ones that they kill. Wow. And, like, you go by my lake. Like, I have an all-female bass lake at my house, which this is a whole other fun deal. They will roll through there and eat my all-females and just throw them up on the bank. There's carcasses.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6648.258

Well, you get four otters in your pond on a 17-acre lake. They'll eat 20 bass a night. The problem is you don't know you've been got until you've been got. Wow. So, Joe, to grow a 10-pound bass is about $3,000. And think about it. I've been loving on these damn fish. I've been walking out there, making sure they're happy so we can all catch them. And damn, damn, damn, my otters roll.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

667.851

with so they're like okay we got to put a stop to this which is too bad because it was fucking it's nice to notice if i was unscrupulous i had a little so i went my whole life no sports betting through college i mean my i through college i'd walk in and my buddies back then they'd spliced 78 tvs together and they're they got all their they got all their notes and i'm like

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6684.434

So if you have an overflow, a spillway on your farm, and it runs through your farm and dumps into a major river body of water, and that otter swims by that water dumping in that river, He is up that river. He's up that spillway into your lake, and he has got you. Wow. And we'll put traps out, dude. And, man, they just keep coming. Wow. Keep coming. And I'm talking about otter pelts.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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I mean, like the prettiest thing you've ever seen.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6719.301

I mean, we've got enough where, you know, we've got them skinned out in freezers and rolled up in our freezers. And my farm guys, I mean, I think they're – but, you know, the sad part is the market for that should be an amazing market. But I don't – I think – because everybody's scared to say they got a damn otter pelt.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6759.693

It's weird. But damn otters, man. Them little rascals. You know, they... I'm building a lake at my place in Georgia, and it's right on the Flint River.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6771.925

It's so fun. It's so damn fun. It's four hours of my day.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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It's totally—and it is not for myself. You can't—my enjoyment is to watch— My buddies, my children's friends come enjoy it too. My sons will bring a buddy home from school. And next thing you know, Tate and his 13-year-old buddy are shooting bows in the front yard all weekend. And this kid, who doesn't have a dad that hunts... Or has the ability.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6813.517

I got one kid, my Tate's buddy James, his eighth consecutive weekend at my house hunting. Just loving life, shooting bow and arrows.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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Got him dialed in. He shot his first doe this weekend. Nice. Just so fun. And so, you know, when you meet these guys, they don't let anybody else enjoy it. I don't like those guys either. Yeah. And, you know, I love to enjoy it with people. But, you know, the bass fishing thing is a blast. But my lake in Georgia is going to be about 35 acres, and I think we'll do an all-female lake down there.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6855.526

Your females are your trophy bass.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6858.927

The big fat ones.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6862.429

You put them in, and they don't have to be pregnant. They just have to have the big eggs, and when they lay them, they just have to have a male not fertilize them. That's right, of course. So if you get a male in there... Then the male – then you have a natural thriving – He'll eat the babies too, though, right? A male – bass will forage on themselves. Yeah.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6888.121

But male – now, I have three lakes that are naturally – their own ecosystem where we have to, you know, I've got an 82 acre bass Lake that we have to catch 3,500 pounds of bass a year just to keep them from not choking themselves out. Really? Oh yeah. It's 3,500 pounds.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6913.445

Dude, we have bass roundups, and we get out there, and we catch them, and we'll load up coolers and take them into the little towns and give them to people. I mean, it becomes a problem.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6932.68

Well, bluegills... You know, like, all the bluegills at my lake are... We feed them pellet food so they'll get big, so the bass will eat them, so the bass will get big. And you don't want to go eat a bluegill that's been parked under a pellet. Yeah. But...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6952.069

A little wild bluegill stream or a little natural creek where I grew up in Georgia, like shell crackers and bluegill that eat like a cricket or that are eating live stuff. You fillet one of them real small creek or river bluegills. Fry them up. Oh, nothing better in the world. And bass is similar to that. Oh, bass. It's a nice flaky white meat.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

696.295

And I'm like, dude, no wonder you got all D's and you're about to get shipped out of college. But I survived all that. And me and a buddy, we started picking two games a week. And we would load up. And this was like six years ago, five years ago. So I would load up like $20,000 a game. But I was strict, and I had my deal. And we'd bet, I mean, just take Alabama and the points in the first half.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6975.502

Flaky white meat, get you a three or four pound bass, fillet it like a red snapper.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

6982.965

We spent our whole life, my dad would catch bass, we would fillet them. He'd put them in a Pyrex dish, saute them, bake them, and then broil them on top. And we'd eat largemouth bass, you know. You could either have salmon croquettes that stink up the whole house. Yeah. You know, where you knew your mama was cooking them, or you can have fresh bass, you know, so we grew up.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7008.917

But isn't it a weird animal, or weird fish, rather, that a lot of people don't eat, but it's good to eat? Well, you know, you wouldn't want everybody fishing your big reservoirs. Like, Texas is the best big bass lake reservoir state in the country. You wouldn't want everybody out there keeping them. You know, you want to practice...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7029.329

You want to practice catch and release on your big public reservoirs. Right. But, you know, when you've got a private impoundment where, you know, you want to keep your bass because your bass, you'll wake up. Let's just say you've got a nice brand-new bass lake you built, 10 acres. You stock it. You spend 50 grand to put your bluegill, all your fish in there.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7054.268

Well, you know, then you just don't ever catch them. Well, then in five years, you've lost it.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7059.631

You have to manage it. Yeah, you're done. Your lake's done. Your three-pound bass didn't have enough fish to get to four pounds, and then he missed a year of growing, or she missed a year of growing. And then you just put a $50,000 investment in your bass lake, and then you're out.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7079.458

You might as well drain it, start over.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7104.61

I've never caught one of those. Me either.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7109.591

Yeah. See, I'm not that dude. Now, I'll wait and hunt it. You know, I'm not a... Like, I don't have to have the biggest, best animal my whole life. Like, I don't... You know, some people, they're like... They get into numbers. They're size queens. Yeah. Or score. I'm not that guy. I'm an experienced. Let's have fun. Let's see a lot of animals. Let's catch a lot of fish. Let's keep a lot of action.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7133.545

Let's keep the kids engaged.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7136.65

You know. When my boys were four and five, you don't want to take them out there on their first three bass fishing trips and you burn them in the hot sun and they catch one fish. You want them engaged and get them going. Pike and all that, steelheading, that northwest steelheading. Catching one, man, I don't – that's just – I hadn't done that. I can't do that.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7168.4

Oh, those are the – yeah, those are high on the list of – especially like sea run steelheads. You know, you have some that are kind of locked in, you know, locked in the reservoir locked. But you get those big sea run steelheads, and they really hold them. And they should hold them in high regard. You shouldn't – You need to leave those alone and let them come and go.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7214.585

I would still say you're in the majority. Yeah. I think that's how it should be.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7229.954

Yeah, you know, and then they make bumper tips on bows. You can doink deer in the ass and run them off. And they're like, why are you doinking a deer in the ass?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7246.287

Yeah. Well, you know, man, listen, dude. I grew up, you know, my little town of Leesburg, man. I mean, every year I got a pellet gun for Christmas. And I got a full...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7260.962

camo onesie or a coverall and dude i put my new pair of chippewa hunting boots i put my new set of uh i put my new set of coveralls on with the camo pattern i'd hit the neighborhood walking around with a pellet gun shooting the neighbor squirrels And, you know, we'd eat them every now and then. This little old lady, Mabel Coxwell, we'd skin them and she'd fry them with some wild rice.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7288.888

It tastes good. If you cook a squirrel and do it right, man, it ain't nothing wrong with a squirrel. Isn't that crazy that most people don't know that? Right.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7302.272

Instead of chicken and dumplings, squirrel dumplings. You know, you get a squirrel and clean it right and brine it for the night and cook it with dumplings and put some onions and celery and all that and you're off to the races.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7332.937

Well, the fact that I could run rampant at nine years old through the neighborhood riding my Honda 50 motorcycle through people's backyards chasing squirrels, and everybody's like, thank you, that damn thing's been in my attic chewing up my Pink Panther insulation for...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

736.073

You do that. Most of the year, I mean, it was 80%. So we did well. And then my buddy moved away from me, and we quit talking about it. And then I went rogue for like two years. I was betting like Utah State at, you know, the West Coast game, midnight, just throwing bets in. And I was like, man, I'm out. So I stopped.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7360.442

Yeah.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7374.986

Do not pass, go. Do not collect.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7398.238

I mean, nothing is wrong with hunting a little bit.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7406.144

Well, and I think, you know, I think it's all true, too. I think the beauty is now the education of, you know, I mean, you look at, you know, you look at how great, you know, carnivore diets are being, you know, I've never done like a big old carnivore. Have you ever done a big carnivore? Oh, yeah.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7423.597

Did it change your life?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7450.262

Well, you know, like I said, the best thing about what you do here is you give everybody their platform to talk about their way. Yeah. And, you know, your platform is enlightening. I mean, you know, dude, I've never, you know, I was around some dude that was talking about, you know, microdosing mushrooms and all that. Dude, I never saw a drug. I never saw a drug. Until I was 30.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7484.18

Saw Moonshine a lot.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7489.005

I mean, you drink a half jar of Mason.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7492.909

You're going to die.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7506.081

And, man, I was 39 years old before I did any tobacco. Really? Never dipped. My dad kept Levi Garrett, Taylor's Pride. The only time he wasn't chewing meant he had a life insurance policy. He had to get blood work and didn't want to fail his life insurance policy. But I was 39. My mom, you know, my mom's a character. She, you know, but never did tobacco, never dipped.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7535.748

I put one dip in one time and threw up outside my high school. This old boy threw me a dip in and, dude, big old Kodiak, and I threw up outside the high school gymnasium and missed my – fifth and sixth period, and I was like, dude, I don't need that.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7555.082

Oh, you can just, oh, although, and what I was getting at is I was sitting, we were celebrating an album release. I was 39 years old and one of my best buddies. brought a nice Davidoff Churchill cigar. And any cigar I'd ever done, I had smoked a cigar like in Vegas. And most time back then, you know, I done drank a handle of crown and smoked a cigar.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7581.322

And you wake up the next morning, you're like, you know, your life's over essentially. Well, it's probably the handle of crown. Well, we smoked that cigar and I sat in my rocking chair. And just smoked that cigar. And I was like, man, this is kind of... It's kind of nice. This is kind of like therapy right here.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

760.312

Yes. Dude, that movie tripped me out.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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They are chilled. They are universally chilled out. But it's a drug. Yeah.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7620.814

Here's the deal. And I'll call my buddy every now and then. And he was my buddy that bought me the cigar. He was a lifelong Copenhagen and cigarettes here and quitting. And I called him. I'll call him periodically, and I'm like... You asshole. I'm stopping at a grocery. I'm stopping at a random cigar shop.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7641.411

I've gone four days without a cigar and I'm riding down the road and I determine right now I need one. You know, you weave across four lanes of traffic, find a, you know, and then next thing you know, you're smoking a grocery store. I mean, a gas station cigar to just, but hey, it keeps you, keeps you, keeps the head clean.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7673.018

Now, my mother, dude, Salem Ultralight 100s, three packs a day.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7681.144

Four Bud Lights a day her whole life. Four Bud Lights.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7693.052

Well, listen, my mom, man, dude, she, Joe, she's curbed the beer a little bit, but she'll drink her a couple of duels, but she's going to have her one or two Bud Lights.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7709.867

Every day. She's going, three packs, but she's like a... You know, it's like if she's walking into the Dillard's or to the TJ Maxx, she's like, oh, my God, I'm walking in. Take a couple of puffs. Take a couple and hit, you know, litter the parking lot. But she'll pan fry a ribeye in butter. Pan fries a ribeye. That's probably what's keeping her alive.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

771.287

Especially if you've dipped your toe into that world of like... And I've got buddies that do parlays. I'm not even sure I even understand the inner workings of parlays now. And teasers and all that. I'm so removed from that level of sport. So-and-so's going to get four layups at the half. Man, that's opening up Pandora's box there.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7736.127

Pan fries a ribeye, fries some shoestring French fries. And that's her damn meal four to five nights a week for 76 glorious years.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7750.43

And is ready to chew my ass out at any moment.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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I hope she's probably at a pack and a half. But, man, when you do the math, when I used to sit her down and do math, you know, her and my dad were married 32 years and divorced. And so when she went out kind of on her own, I'd sit her down and do the math on four Bud Lights, two and a half packs of Salem's, and four pan fried ribeyes. That becomes a damn number annually.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7783.764

You know what? But through the years, I've gotten Miller Lite endorsements. I would get Miller Lite. I'd be like, Mama. There's a Miller Lite truck pulling up to your house. It's going to deliver you a pallet of Miller Lite.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7799.731

Just try to fall in love with Miller Lite. Right. Nope. Bud Lite. I'd get home two months after the pallet got there. There the pallet sits. Calling my buddies.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7825.004

And then he kept selling it in his bar.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7832.308

He let it go after a while. He did. I love him. He's been a damn good buddy of mine and has come to my charity event. He's a wild boy. He's awesome. I love that dude. He's a lot of fun. He's awesome. But when I saw him do that, I was like...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7869.27

Yeah, when our beer is political, we're like, oh.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7889.061

And then, you know, my wife's dad is a Budweiser fucking 12-pack-a-day dude, man. And, you know, he had to— He had to hear a little shit from his buddies about it.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7935.32

Anheuser-Busch taught us that beer is wonderful for Christmas, and Clydesdales and Dalmatians are the equivalent of Jesus and Christmas.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7955.546

Dude, I would cry over the Dalmatian Clydesdale commercial. You remember the little puppy?

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7962.371

He's riding on the Clydesdales. Find that, Jimmy.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

7984.112

Listen to that music.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8003.563

Yeah.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8006.345

Wow, what a commercial. We need to find... Oh, God.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8010.688

Wolves, they're in Colorado.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8041.68

You're happy. Yeah, and then there's the one where it's the Dalmatian, too, that grew up and then got to the old Dalmatian. And the little, you know, they're riding, and the young Dalmatian sees the old Dalmatian. And I think the old Dalmatian kicks the bucket, and then the new Dalmatian takes its place. And then you're like, oh, my God, it's the best thing ever.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8115.471

The worst. The dumbest move. Well, you know, when you look at country music, too, I mean, with country music, I mean... It is what it is. There's things that it is. And you've got to love on what it is. And then you've got to grow it, too. I mean, there's sensible ways to grow it.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8144.988

Buddy, with every successful music artist that's ever lived... They may have faked you out, any genre, but country is even... Country's tough. Because once you show any unauthenticity, buddy, you're done. You're done. I can imagine. Like, dude, I mean... Yeah. Like, dude, my biggest... Like, when I... Man, you know, I got... My thing was tight jeans.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

818.151

Hey, dude, so I saw you at the—I'm a giant Georgia fan. And I saw you, obviously, on the sideline on Saturday and just, man, some of those calls.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8183.951

You wouldn't imagine me wearing tight jeans on stage how much that pisses people off.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8202.246

Dude, and then I'm like... Bring back Merle Haggard. What the fuck is this? So, Joe, you know, one thing, you know... My biggest hurdle ever in my career, and it still breaks my heart to this day. My only way to make it in music is you've got to stop people's eyeballs on you. You've got to grab them. Vocally, visually, musically different.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8242.838

You got to get them to stop for two seconds and go, what is that fucker doing right there? And when I came out with Country Girl Shake It For Me on the CMA shaking my ass, I mean, I had to do it that way. In my opinion, I had to go, this is my moment to show country girls shaking for me and I'm the guy that dances and don't give a damn and let's have some fun and come along for the ride.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8275.624

And it was amazing. It was amazing. You know, the fact that I'm a Georgia boy at the time and I was talking to Texas people, I was talking to everybody. Well, then at some point a label for me became Bro Country.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8293.743

had you ever even heard that term i did i did because of you yeah well so i heard it and i'm like well bro country well then i started seeing the people making fun of bro country and i'm like this is kind of fucking pissing me off and then and then me and some other artists start getting looped into this bro country phase well

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8321.036

When I was in my form of coming up as an artist, and I don't even know, we don't have to live on this long, but you'll be amazed, dude. So I would go play. I made my way by going to Georgia and playing Georgia college towns. In the southeast, and even I played Auburn a little bit, Auburn, Alabama.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8343.381

And that school, I always wanted to break into Auburn and Tuscaloosa because I was always a Georgia artist. Well, I started branching out. Well, dude, I'd get done with a college party. I'd walk off stage. The first thing that would happen... It's, you know, three, six, nine. Damn, she fine. Give it to me. Give it to me one more time. Get low. Get low.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8369.257

I mean, and right when my set got done, hip hop. the vibe went to a nightclub. And I'm standing... I done walked off the stage, went to the bar, ordered the beer, and watched everybody that just let me play Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash, all the classics, my couple of new songs. And I was like, well, man, this is... Nobody's got a fucking problem with this. We're all together in this good time.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8403.931

So when I did Country Girl Shake It, for me, that made that tie. Crossover. It combined them. It made it tie to a little bit. And then Jason Aldean had his, she's country girl. Fucking biggest song. When I heard... I mean, at the time when... Jason and I are buddies. He does She's Country. I do Country Goes Shaker. Me and him are like... We're like, this shit... Our lives are...

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8435.205

I mean, I toured with Jason one year, and he broke all of Elvis' indoor records. We did it for two years. I was the opener, and Jason was the headliner. And people and rap was – we were playing rap before the show. And everybody was – well, then Bro Country comes along. Dude, I wake up on the bus one morning, and I got this interview.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8463.903

sitting there drinking my coffee in my fucking underwear, and this dude calls me with Hits Magazine, and he goes, well, Luke, you know, man, this bro country thing. And I said, well, hold up, buddy. Here's what this is. And I said, and man, I did this, and I made one fatal error. And at the time, Joe... No one hated my ass. I believe that. I mean, because I was coming to Billy Bob's playing.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

848.166

I mean, what a weekend for Austin, too. Yeah, it was incredible. Because I had buddies... I had buddies that were like, why are you not coming? And I'm like, man, I've had to be me all year. And it's like the weather's chilly in Nashville. My boys want to go deer hunting. I'm going to take them deer hunting, sit on my back patio and scream at the TV. But it got a little dicey there on the back.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

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Well, I had Texas. I had the I had the I had I'd go to I'd go to Bozeman, Montana and play country girl. Shake it for me. I'd go to everywhere. Well, and I said, man, I don't know how to be an outlaw. I'm not an outlaw. I'm a college dude that played frat parties for country music. I fucking did not go sit in a prison cell like Merle Haggard and write songs about guys going to death row.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8540.333

And I didn't go to Folsom Prison. And man, I listed all that. I was like, I'm not like Willie Nelson. I don't do Willie Nelson. They're outlaws. And I said, if it's bro country and that's what I'm labeled as, I said, and where I fucked up, as I said, I haven't spent the night like sleeping on the street. And I didn't say, like Johnny Cash's song, Sunday Morning Coming Down. That's what I meant.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8568.854

I just didn't tie it. Well, that dude took that article and said, Luke Bryan says outlaw country people are basically... drug addicts that sleep in the street. And, man, I pissed that whole – the way they manipulated that story, I lost that whole crowd right then.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8590.408

Broke my heart. And, like, I think Waylon Jennings' daughter went real public with being – I mean, she was fucking mad at my ass. And, dude, she went on there going, you know, Luke, my dad never laid – and I never meant that. I just meant – Yeah, Waylon was in there, too.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8607.95

But we all know what all those guys are because we got to watch all the documentaries about those guys, and we got to be students of those guys. Well, that's the problem with interviews is, first of all, they're trying to get you. Well, your interviews are the beauty.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8622.754

And no one's gotten popped more than you because they'll take our – man, I hope we sit here and bullshit for three hours, but they'll take your five minutes. Right. Out of context. And now they'll AI you. That's happened a lot. So what happened, man, that thing started growing. And, man, I had motorcycle gangs wanting to burn my house down. Oh, my God. When you get misrepresented in—

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8650.077

That type of deal. And then the subcategories of articles, then the article of the article of the article. What year was this? Man, I don't know. It was probably 2012 or 13. So this was when social media was not as impactful. It was becoming... Was YouTube even around then? Yes, and clickbait, the world of clickbait was getting rocking.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8679.726

So what I did is, man, I called Waylon Jennings' daughter and said, I said, ma'am, I just forgot to say, like the Chris Christopherson song, Sunday Morning Coming Down. That's all I meant by that. And I think she accepted. I called, I text Willie. He sent me the best reply. He goes... He goes, it's okay to step on your dick, just don't stand on it.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8705.208

I called Jesse Colter, and she goes, Luke, what did you mean in the interview? And I told her. And she goes, Waylon stopped doing print interview. But by then, the narrative started. And since then, I can always tell that if that one little thing, I probably would have kept that whole base going. And then the, oh my God, he wears tight jeans and he must homosexual on the side.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

872.176

I was like, oh, it was weird.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8743.245

As I'm posing with my all-American family.

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#2216 - Luke Bryan

8770.433

So my album came out. I worked on an album for three years. It's called Mind of a Country Boy, and I put it out like 1st of October. And I didn't want to put the damn album out. Because the reality is I'm not at the height. Every artist hits their peak. You know it. I mean, I sold out. I was selling out football stadiums first day. Three or four years I did it. I know that's my peak probably.

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I know it is. Fuck, I'm not going to even say probably. I'm a realist. Well, so we put the album out, and I said, you know what? No albums sell well. Nothing sells anymore. So I knew there was going to be a negative take on the album. I knew something negative would come by me putting the album out based on it may not sell. And it sold what it did. It did what I thought it'd do.

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As me being the artist where I'm at in my life.

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Right.

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Nothing's buying. Well, dude, I did 20, 40. I did 40 hours of 40 hours of, you know, all the stuff.

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Because the editor's ass is about to get canned. Yeah, exactly. Because his company just got bought by a big conglomerate. Exactly. That's why artists should just stay away from that shit. Well, and you do, and I knew it. What sucks...

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global Brazil versus Argentina or whatever.

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You know the deal. I mean, I grew up in South Georgia. And, you know, we've raised our dang kids like colorblind. It's so awesome. I'm so proud of their colorblindness.

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What was their take on it?

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I got to shoot the cannon. Boom. Did you shoot it through the Georgia shirt, that one? Yeah.

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But when you're so dang, you know the deal.

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And I've been doing it for nine damn years. And I have cried with everybody. When those kids come in, they are – everybody walking through that door is a microcosm of America. And, man, I've sat there and loved and loved and learned.

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Nothing is more amazing. amazing than watching a broken kid that's been told they're not good. And they come from everywhere. Man, the craziest thing is the kids that were raised in the homes of doctors. that the doctor family can't wrap their head around my child wanting to go try this fucking music thing. What? We're doctors. We're doctors.

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And, man, when they branch out and the family gets behind them and then they go and follow their dreams, and, man, it's really – Yeah, he doesn't get old. I mean, listen, I mean, it's a fun chair to be in. It's a fun chair to be in because that door opens and it's a life that comes in and you don't know what the hell...

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We have a note or two like, just lost their father to cancer three months ago from a small town. But other than that, man, we don't know what they're going to do and how they're going to react. And it's pretty cool. I mean, you know, when I just moved to Nashville when American Idol was... I mean, 40 million viewers a week.

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Did you used to gamble a lot? You know, I've always been, I've never been a sports gambler. My dad, my... But my dad raised me to kind of be a poker player kind of kid. He was like a – I mean, I used to joke, if my dad didn't play poker, we'd have never had Santa Claus. I mean, he was just a crazy little poker player and like a little pool hustler. And then – Oh, so he was all in.

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And the, you know, the tone in Nashville is that's the cheap route to get famous. Because I came up through, you got to play a thousand nightclubs. You got to go, you got to go through, you got to meet the record labels. You got to do the radio. You got to go meet everybody at radio. So the whole town of Nashville was like, well, it's not totally fair that they get to just pop on TV. And, and,

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insert you know and and skip all the but now i mean now all that's gone which is great well here's an example oliver anthony totally oliver anthony has one song he releases it's the most pull up that song because this fucking song this dude when i release it it's just a camera and him with his guitar i heard it

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Yeah, man, it was a good win for Georgia. And like I said, both those programs are just so incredible.

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I was like, holy shit, that's fucking amazing, and holy shit, that guy better have some songs to come behind it.

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Damn shame.

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Yeah, and God, you know, the beauty of... Idol is, and guys like this, there's so many avenues now. You can go the old-fashioned route. You can go the quick route. You can go the idol route. You can go stream on, you know, you can go video yourself on all your social platforms and the right song can blow you up. And then you got to go do the real work.

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And that's what we tell the kids. You've got to have other bullets in your chamber. That's what we tell the kids on Idol now. I think when Idol was really, really, obviously, when Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood won and even people after that, they went their ass to work, too. It's an insane opportunity. It's insane.

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Through the years, Kirby and I have gotten to be – Pretty good buddies. Kirby can't be buddies with anybody because that job requires – I've never seen a requirement of a job more than being a college. It's probably like being a president. It is. And so I don't text Kirby during the season, really.

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And, you know, these kids on Idol now, they love seeing their social media platforms change. Go up a thousand percent and it's worth it. And, you know, we you know, and there's going to be bumps in the road. And it's you know, it's still you know, it's still you know, there's going to be a, you know, a group of people saying, you know, American Idol may exploit these kids.

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Man, I'm in the back – I'm behind the scenes on everything, and, man, we won't – you know, they won't – when we get a kid that we love, man, we sit around, we go to dinner, and we talk about that kid and love them. And I think, you know, these kids –

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leave it going man that was a great experience for them i hope so but you know i'm sure they do and it is an insane opportunity if you want to be a professional musician and you want to make a career out of it it's one of the most unbelievable moments you got to do your path yeah you got my path was my path and it was unique to mine and because yours is different that don't mean i need to hate you for it there's a lot of that shit with comedians today too

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He only had one good joke.

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It is a new world. Why wouldn't we all want someone else to win? Right. What is wrong... What's wrong with people winning? It's like you have figured out how to feed yourself with a guitar.

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You've figured out how to tell jokes.

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And make a living. And... And you know, all like, man, like I said, dude, I won't even post my damn deer I killed. Because I don't want to get online and be there with a glass of wine at 3 a.m. and start motherfucking people. Like, dude, I want to kill them. And like I said, you get over it, you get over it, but man, it pisses you off.

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Not the positive comments, but the negative comments. I started a thing, you know, and I know you've got people in your world where... man, you know, there's assholes and you'll huddle up and you'll spend an hour talking about how you can't believe how big an asshole that person is. Yeah. And I'm like, guys, we're 15 minutes in on talking about this person being an asshole.

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We wasted 15 minutes on us trying to figure out why can't they stop being an asshole?

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I know he – man, just watching what those guys go through trying to manage these big programs like that. I mean, and when they're not coaching, I mean, dude, they are politicking – I mean, they got to go to the steak supper for this touchdown club here. So, man, it's a wild ride what those dudes go through.

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And I've gotten conscious where when I see other buddies doing it, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Get out of there.

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I do not get into that. You cannot get into that world.

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So my wife, for her 40th birthday, man, I surprised her and I rented her. Never done anything. We rented like a 120-foot boat and took all our college friends down to St. Bart's for New Year's. Have you ever heard of this scene?

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Joe, so first of all, I mean, this boat that we got is a 120-foot Westport. Beautiful. We get the same boat.

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The oligarchs.

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And it's in St. Barts, and they all float there for New Year's.

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Dude. And my captain of that little boat, which that boat looked like... Our boat that we were on looked like their shuttle boats. Right. And my captain, I said, did you ever pilot one of those? He goes, oh, yeah. I said, what were they doing on there? He goes, looking at the other boats, wondering. Yeah.

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fucking billion dollar yacht and pissed at the other billion dollar yacht yeah that's real they're all in competition with each other and they're all hating you know and and i'm entering in yeah you just got to get your little world like my little world now tight my little tennessee hunting world i tell people all the time they're like come on down to my ranch oh man i got i got my little deal yeah it's enough stay sane

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Well, you know, I remember dreaming. Did you lay in bed and just be like, I remember dreaming about trying to do it and how I was going to go. Are you going to get rich? How am I going to get? I wouldn't say rich. How am I going to be able to have my own bass pond?

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Because I would have to call other people and get permission.

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And that did the anxiety of calling an old farmer.

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Going, hey, you know, Farmer Johnson, can I go fish your bass lake? I don't know, Luke. Not today. I'd be like... And so I remember doing that. And then when you start achieving it, man, I still, I mean, I don't think I'm living in that world of like the other digging. You know, I think you can for a minute. Yeah. I think you can for a little bit.

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See, I'm out of that. And I didn't really get into that heavily even when I was betting regular games. But, man, it's freedom. Man, I just watch the games with freedom, and I don't get in, you know.

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She might be making it up, but she might be telling the truth, which makes sense, where you're like, your whole world is like, what is life? I'm going to die real soon, and they can't fix this, and you're just, the car's fucking up, and you don't even care. That could be it. The patch is open. You don't even care.

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I'm not against someone doing those. That's like Anthony Jesselman.

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He has a shit ton of jokes like that. Of course, yeah. They're great. People enjoy it. It's not bad. It's not bad comedy. It's like, but... At least with a guy like Jeselnik, you should know what you're getting into. And don't try to pretend there's something wrong with what he's saying, but all these other people don't have a problem with it.

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That's why it's so dangerous. But the only way they're going to find out that's the kind of stuff you do is if you take those risks and do that kind of stuff and get in trouble.

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But you also, you got in, I think... The filming thing is fucking strange, right? Because some people want to get filmed because you can get some clips like interacting with the audience. Right. But it's like you have to have an opportunity to work out stuff.

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Because there's times when you're on stage and you're saying things and you have a new bit and you don't know where you're taking it while you're taking it.

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Well, obviously he's an audience member that released it, but the comics that criticized him, like, hey man, fuck...

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you like you pretend first of all the guy didn't do comedy for 10 months yeah and then second the stuff that he was saying if you know him and you know his act and i guarantee you fucking do because a lot of those people are just haters yeah if you know him you know given enough time he would make that horrible premise really fucking funny frankly it was pretty funny then pretty funny then

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I mean, it's horrible that he's saying, like, push the fat kid in front of you. But that's funny. But you don't think there would be layers upon layers that would make that joke brilliant in a year if you just let him do it? And you learn the cushions. Like, he didn't have the cushions.

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So this is literally the first set he did.

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Right, exactly. And if you understand how jokes are developed.

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There's too many people that got into it from something else, and they did stand up in the beginning, and then they got into it again. They considered themselves stand-ups. And then they'll come out and criticize something like this. And you go, just shut the fuck up, man. You're not even doing it right. Yeah, you're not.

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You're not even doing it right. You saying that this is bad, come on, man. This is how everybody creates material.

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Well, now on Twitter, you'd become a hero.

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except for all your listeners it's like you've got to have a place where you can fuck around and that's the problem with like filming all the time because there's there's things that like you'll start a bit off when you first start writing it and start making it it's like it's so different than when it finishes you've got to be able to find that and not have people see it yeah not have people see it because it's you know comedy is like you want people to see the finished product but it's embarrassing until then you're

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Well, it's fun to watch as an audience member, though. One of my favorite things is watching a bit develop.

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Watching someone come up with an initial premise, and maybe they come in the green room. We're all brainstorming and trying to figure out what part is, where is it going to get clunky?

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Right. As long as you're not rigid.

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Yeah. Because some people are rigid. And this is a problem that open micers have in beginning comics is they started doing a bit a very certain way. So they're kind of comfortable saying it that way. And they're uncomfortable on stage already. Right. So they keep saying it the same way. That's the death of comedy.

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I know what you're saying. I think what you're saying is that it has to be real in your mind at that moment. You can't be just reading a script.

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Why? What is upsetting you or making you laugh hysterically about the subject?

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If you talk to Bill in the green room, that's the same guy. Yeah, if I fucking told him.

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He's just psychotic. You can call him right now. Bring up something that annoys. Listen to you, you fuck. You know what my favorite is? When he's on a podcast with someone and they take themselves seriously. Like he was on with Bill Maher and he was just chewing Bill Maher up. And then he was on Charlamagne Tha God and he was chewing him up. I love it. I love it. He's the best at that.

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Yeah, he's the king. He's amazing. He's the best at breaking down. Yeah, look at you.

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He has a unique talent for it. A unique talent for anything he's talking about. It's just being himself.

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Yeah. It's so interesting to see how so many people do it differently, but we all have something in common. And I think one thing that everybody has in common is the best ones are really thinking about what they're talking about.

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Yeah, I have to bail on bits when I'm bored with them. I know, because you're like, I don't really care about this.

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People are like, yeah, there's something there. I'm like, I know, but right now I don't give a fuck about it, so I have to leave it alone for a little bit. If you don't give a fuck about it, they can tell. Yeah, there were some bits that killed when I first started doing them, and then they got a little flat, and I was like, what is going on here? Oh, I don't care anymore.

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It's also I didn't find out whatever it is in the bit that makes it a great bit. Right. You know, sometimes you just can't find a thing that elevates it from an eight. It stays at an eight. Exactly. It never hits a ten. Sometimes you've got to trim. Sometimes you keep them in. If they make a point, if they're like,

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bizarrely ironic or there's something about it where you're like, it's worth it, even though it's not the funniest joke. It's worth it because of Little Hills and Valleys.

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Yeah, yeah, with an hour. But sometimes you just got to set it aside and then sometimes I'll come back to it. You know, I have like a whole folder that I call Orphaned Babies and it's all bits that never made it on anything. That's great to keep a record.

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I forget them sometimes or a friend brings them up. What about the hyena thing? I'm like, I fucking forgot that.

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Exactly, right, to keep the bits together so they're coherent sometimes. But in my head, I'm like, ugh. I think everybody should have a folder that they just put on. Everybody should write. I mean, I know everybody likes to write on stage, and I get it, and there's some of the greats that write on stage.

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Go over my shit. Yeah, like with a fine-tooth comb So I wound up writing out all my bits that I've done hundreds of times write them out Exactly word for word just drill it into my head and then I was preparing for this. I was like I Should probably be doing this all the time I should probably be doing, not just when I'm getting ready for a special, but I should probably be doing comedy this way.

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I know. It's like, it's funny. We have our own schedule. We get to govern ourselves, which is not always the best thing. Yeah. Because if we were like a prodigy and, you know, you were a violin coach, I'd make you practice all day, bitch.

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I have a bunch of friends that just keep things in their head. And, you know, like Duncan, I'm pretty sure he released this bit so I could say, he might not have. Fuck. But he's got a great bit about Adderall.

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No, but I don't know. I think he recorded a special, but I don't know if it's on, so I don't want to say it. But he's got this great Adderall bit. He totally forgot about it. I said, do you remember that?

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We govern ourselves, and we're all slackers.

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Advice, as long as it's not rigid, is really good. Because you really can't tell people how to do things.

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I got a lot of terrible advice when I first started out. What's a good advice? Good advice is write a lot, listen to your recordings. That was one thing, this guy Mike Donovan. I got real lucky that I started out in Boston in the 80s, and there was all these local headliners that were awesome. I mean, world class, but they were local, and they stayed local.

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And one of them was this guy, Mike Donovan. And Mike Donovan, he always had a, this is back in the day when you had cassette recorders that were big, like a fucking box of cigars. And he would sit it on the thing and press record when he went on stage. He goes, you never know. He goes, you might have a new tagline in that moment. That's crazy. And then you'll forget about it if you don't listen.

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And that was some of the best advice I'd ever heard.

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He was just a smart dude. And he just figured out that you got to do that.

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Yeah, you've got to analyze yourself like a hater.

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Because imagine someone like Bill Burr trying to give advice to Mitch Hedberg.

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I mean, at a certain point in time. I've been thinking about doing this for quite a while now. We've talked about it. I think we're going to do it. And what I want to do is have, outside of podcasts, to just have an interview with headliners when they come into town. And tell me about what happened. Tell me about your journey. What was your first open mic? Wow. What was it like? How'd you feel?

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How'd you get started? Did someone influence you? Did someone ask you to do it? I love it. What were your first road gigs? Just, not a podcast where, like, it'd be me talking about my stories, but just, like, I always want to know 100% an interview.

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A conversation, but an interview. And just, you know, so that it's archived for comics. Because you remember, like, when you were starting, I mean, 17 years ago, right? Yeah. You could get a couple of books. There was a few books.

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Richard Belzer had a book on stand-up, but it was kind of like tongue-in-cheek. Right, right. The Comedy Bible for that woman.

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But there was nothing written by anybody who was really good. No. So that was part of the problem. Belzer was good, but nothing written by like a George Carlin or Richard Pryor or Lenny Bruce.

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Well, we thought about doing that at the store back in the day. We were talking about doing comedy classes where a comic, like a headliner, would come in. And I know Ari did this quite a few times. Ari did it in Phoenix when I was there. He set up a seminar for free for all the local comics. Told them, this is how you get a manager. This is how you get an agent. This is how you get stage time.

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This is what you should do to organize your set. And fucking amazing resource for free. He did it for like two and a half hours. So Ari was doing that for a while, but there's nothing like that for comics coming up. Everybody has to learn from the people at the clubs.

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Because if you could start out now, and you can go on YouTube, first of all, you have access to everything. Red Fox, Rodney Changerfield, fucking everything that's ever been is online. Lenny Bruce, you watch Lenny Bruce recordings right now. It was impossible to find that shit when we started.

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Well, the thing about Lenny was no one had ever talked like that publicly.

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So this was a totally unique thing that you have to take in the context of 1963.

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The whole world changed the way they think about things and then talking about things openly the way he did became normal. So he's doing normal things to us.

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Like The Wizard of Oz. Yeah. The Wizard of Oz was monumental when it came out. It was something that everybody saw. It was one movie that you would guarantee everybody you talked to had seen The Wizard of Oz.

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1939?

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Oh, that makes sense. Like, what the fuck is that stuff they put on his skin? There's no regulation back then. They're just like, let's try this. Also, they had just got done with, like, think about, that was like thalidomide babies back then, right?

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Or that was actually later. Thalidomide babies, wasn't that like in the 60s? but they had the girls that developed cancer because they were using the loom for the watches. Right, right, right. So that radio, what was that called?

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Radium girls, yeah. It was horrific. Holes in their face and shit. Their tongues would rot out of their mouths. It was zero. Nobody told them anything because they would lick the tip of their brush because they were doing these very delicate loom dials on watches.

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But isn't it kind of like watching tape and listening to tape as a comic? Because you don't know how bad you suck until you see it. And people didn't know how bad that kind of behavior was until you see it. Go to watch the old James Cagney movies. He'd smack his girlfriend right in the face. And he was the hero. And then they'd kiss each other.

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the problematic parts i just find them like really funny you ever see the one where it's like an old western and the guy is spanking his wife and the kid comes along and says uh do you like i know why you're spanking mommy it's because you love her and then he's like that's right son it's so nuts like the woman is over the guy's knees and he's spanking her that's it's out of love you know that's

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But this is like something that someone thought you could pass off in a movie. I mean, that's how confused we were about narratives and about reality. Well, every 80s movie, people are like, you got to watch this. Here it is.

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Thanks.

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That's awful. This is not the one where the guy, the wife... I mean, he's beating her with a piece of metal, and what a great show. Oh, my God. What a great movie.

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Yeah, normal. Beat her with a weapon. Don't use your hand. What if your hand gets hurt?

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And he spanks her, too. So he's carrying her away. Look, he's spanking her in front of everybody. Look at them watching. This is so crazy. That's insane. Not just spanking, but spanking in public. Not just, like, he's holding her up in the air while he's spanking her.

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Like, they think it's wonderful. Look.

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What the fuck? I've never been so proud.

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They both have black eyes. And he's got his arm around her. Oh, sweetie, I got the job. What the fuck is that movie about? We just look evil when we look back in the past. And we're just like, slap, spanker, spanker. And by the way, they thought they were so sophisticated because they were comparing themselves to fucking cave people. Of course, yeah. Well, we change. We move at our own pace.

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Right. And so we had to look at the cave painting and go, that is kind of fucked up that you stabbed that guy with a spear. I remember that. It goes from that to movies and plays, right?

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Well, that was the whole thing about them doing it in Latin, right? Nobody could speak Latin. So they could tell them whatever. They'd take the priest's word for it.

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I think there was a lot of that going on. That's why everybody wanted to kill Martin Luther.

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Yeah.

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The priest is like, kid, it's saying to suck my dick right now. Isn't it nuts? Isn't it nuts that that is kind of a dead language? Like, you can still learn Latin, but nobody speaks Latin.

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Yeah. Forget that demographic. Oh, yeah, those folks. Well, they usually talk in tongues. They're not even doing Latin. They're going... They throw it a little.

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That's because you're younger than me. I know. When I was a boy, that movie was fucking terrifying. I saw that movie, I was real young. Like, I probably shouldn't have been able to see it. Like, what year did that movie come out?

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73, okay.

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I saw that movie when I was six. Yeah, my parents let me see all the scary movies.

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She said some wild shit while she was doing it too. Like, fuck my cunt. Fuck my cunt.

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You want to talk about someone that got fucked up from doing a movie. She got really fucked up from doing these. Imagine, okay, you're a young girl and you are literally playing the devil. Everybody knows you. You're famous now. And you're famous for being the fucking devil. That's insane. So everywhere you go, people are scared of you. Ah!

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You fucked yourself with a crucifix in a movie.

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Suck cocks in hell. Jesus Christ. You probably never heard the end of it. And that was another movie that everybody saw.

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I get it, but I think it's because we are living in 2024. We're heathens now.

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Disturbing. And now it's South Park. Yeah, it's totally normal. Now they're sticking things up their butts in cartoons. Yeah, it's totally normal now. And that's, again, it's like going back to listen to Lenny Bruce stuff and then trying to listen to it. He had one joke that comics inadvertently stole because they didn't realize that they were stealing it. Because it was so brilliant.

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But it was when homosexuality was illegal back then. And he goes, being gay is illegal, dig? What do they do when they catch you? They put you in jail with a bunch of guys who want to have sex with you. This is a great joke. He has great jokes. It's just... You don't... If you went back in time to the 1950s and talked to people, they would think you were a fucking alien. Like, who is this guy?

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Oh, well, New York City cold showers in the winter are brutal.

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How is he talking so freely about things?

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No.

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A bunch of guys had that, though.

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Yeah, he probably was the first.

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Like, I don't think Anthony Jeselnik is really offensive.

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Like, it's a style of comedy. His style of comedy was condescending, I'm smarter than you, and here's some amazing points about life. And so I liked it. I like that. Hicks, you mean? Yeah, Hicks. Like when Hicks would talk about things, he would talk about things like, you know, everybody's stupid. Like this is why. Right. And I'm telling you how it should be.

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And that's what people didn't like about it. But that was also a great way to get some of those points across. Like, there were some points that that's really kind of the only way, if you want to deliver it the way he does it, it's really kind of the only way you can do it.

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It's hard to breathe, too.

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Well, he had... brilliant shit about the war. They have sophisticated weapons. How do you know? We check the receipts.

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When I was a kid, when I used to do martial arts, there was this dude I used to work out with named Bob Caffarella, and he was like a real psycho. And Bob used to always take cold showers. He said it was good for the spirit.

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Right, right, right.

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Yeah. Well, he definitely changed a lot of people's idea of comedy because he made it kind of interesting for the first time. He had interesting subjects.

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Yeah. Do you remember that bit? Yeah, I do. I kind of remember it. But I remember the story. These kids threw pine cones at a tiger, and the tigers can jump 14 feet in a 12-foot cage. They didn't even put a roof on it.

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I would have given everything to see the look on their face when that thing touched the top of the bars. Yeah, they were like. When the paws hit the bars and the body starts going over, the flood of chemicals that must go into your mind.

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Off the charts. That's a high. Probably like nothing else you'll ever experience in life. That's like a cold plunge times 10,000. Well, it's like undeniable. You're dying right now. It's coming for you. It's a 600-pound super predator.

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One could survive. I think the kid who threw the pine cones unfortunately survived. I think his buddy got taken out.

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I think his buddy went to help him. Oh, my God. I don't know the whole story. I mean, who knows? It was probably just chaos.

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And we would all be sitting around going, what the fuck is wrong with him? This guy's in the shower. It was January in Boston, and this guy's in the shower just fucking freezing hot.

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If you have a monster in the city, in a box, put a fucking roof on the box.

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Also, how expensive is it to put a roof on? Is it that expensive? I think they want to make it feel like it's free. Fuck that. It's not free. No, yeah. They shouldn't be there. I don't agree with zoos at all. You don't like zoos? No.

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I'm a hypocrite because I took my kids to them because I want my kids to be able to see these animals because it's kind of cool to see a two-year-old staring at a hippo.

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But the reality is they're prisons. They're prisons for animals that didn't do anything wrong.

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But it's natural.

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They're not all getting killed. They're doing some killing too, which is also unnatural that you just feed these things that live to kill.

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It's definitely bad. Well, I used to have a joke about that, too, about the only animal that I don't feel bad about in the zoo is giraffes. They're having a great time. They don't seem to have any problem with it at all. Like, another day with no lions.

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Well, as long as they have a big enough enclosure and they can walk around, they don't seem to have any problem with it. Yeah, it sucks for the predators because they can't hunt.

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suckers yeah they uh they're kind of cruel with that put them in different places well you shouldn't put them there at all yeah it's great the whole thing's crazy yeah i get it does protect some endangered species but boy i think if we really care about animals we should put a lot more money into it and there should be a lot larger spaces and it shouldn't be anything remotely resembling a zoo

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The way they do it in Africa is the way to do it. If you really want to go see an animal, you should go on a fucking safari and drive through these areas where they're They're killing gazelles, and they're doing normal lion shit. This is a normal lion in a lion environment, and you drive through it, and it's probably dangerous as shit. Yeah. And keep your fucking windows rolled.

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You know that lady from the Game of Thrones, one of the video editors from the Game of Thrones got killed by a lion in one of those parks. In the safari? She rolled her window down, and she was leaning out to take a photo or something. The cat reached in and grabbed her. Oh, my God.

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Lock the fucking door, man. Imagine a little skinny-ass piece of window that you could put your head through easy, and there's a lion right outside of it. He could put his head through it easily. He doesn't know, but if he just fucking smashes his head, it'll go right through that thing. He's a lion.

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Well, they didn't have the proper height fence. Yeah, yeah. Not only did they not have a roof on it, the fence was two feet shy of what a tiger can jump over.

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Right, because your body's trying to protect you from dying.

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Leaping over a three-foot wall and out of its enclosure. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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I don't think that's correct. I'm almost positive that it was 14 feet long. Oh, the wall was 1.2 meters, four feet shorter than the recommended minimum.

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I think it was 12 feet. That'd be hilarious if it was actually three feet. And they're like, whoa, what's the problem? That's crazy that it's four foot shy.

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Doesn't mean they deserve to die. Three-foot wall. That's so crazy. I could jump a three-foot wall. Yeah. That's not real. I could try. There's no way. I could get you on the third try. Yeah, you could probably at least get over the top of it. There's no way. There's no way. That's this tall? That's crazy. That would be hilarious. They just made it three feet.

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It really is, though. It's norepinephrine. That's the big one. Dopamine kicks up. Everything. And it lasts for hours. That's what I tell people, even though they don't want to do it. I'm like, I know it sucks. I don't think it's good. I don't get in and go, this is amazing. I'm the best. I get in and I go, Jesus Christ, just keep it together. And I just try to stay calm.

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Bro, that's pretty high. It says, oh, the new glass wall makes it 19 feet. The current wall used to be 12 feet. So that's where it was, and the tiger jumped over that. And now they gave him an extra five feet. Fuck that place.

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Did they say the tiger jumped from the bottom or the tiger jumped from that top part?

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What?

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They know exactly what happened. There was eyewitnesses. People saw it happen. Also, who could have helped it? Yeah. So that's what it looked like?

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Oh, my God. Imagine that thing coming over the top of that. So that's the three-foot fence, I think, that they were saying. Exactly.

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No, it could be over there. They could throw it over the ridge. You think it got all the way to the... Yeah. Yeah, you could throw it that far. That's not that far.

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No. That's not far. No, no. That looks like 15 yards max. Let me see that again. Let me see that photo again. Yeah, that doesn't look that far, dude. It's a big jump, though. I guess you can throw a pine cone. It's probably a big jump for a cat. I don't know if he made the jump. I think he made the jump from the bottom.

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I don't know. What I had heard was the thing was over there. They were continuing to throw things at it, and it came towards them and jumped over the wall, which only makes sense.

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Hmm. Well, maybe they didn't release the whole story until 2011. Yeah, there it is. Okay. So the lawsuit. Yeah, they should fucking sue for sure. I mean, definitely you shouldn't throw pine cones at tigers. They don't deserve to die. You're a fucking kid. You're a dumbass kid. That could have been us. If we were both 17 and I'd go, I dare you to throw a pine cone.

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It's just a pine cone. From the bottom of the moat. To the dry moat to the top of the wall. Wow.

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From the bottom of the dry moat. So they got into the bottom of, yeah, like I thought.

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But I know when I get out, I'm going to feel great for hours.

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Also, why don't you have guards to make sure that someone doesn't do something like that? The tiger can't get out as long as the tiger's chill. Wow, followed someone's blood trail for about 300 yards where it resumed attacks. Oh, my God. Photos show blood-smeared asphalt where the tiger apparently dragged Sosa's body. It found the blood trail.

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The tiger would leave a kill to go after something else unless it were a compelling reason. Oh, my God, another victim blaming. The tiger passed exhibits with warthogs, which it ignored as it followed the blood trail of the two brothers to the Terrace Cafe outside the dining area.

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Hours and hours.

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Also, what if it killed some old lady who was just there with her niece? Yeah. You know, showing her around. And what if, you know, who the fuck knows what could have happened? You're just guessing. And it didn't even kill the guy. It killed the other guy. I don't know who it killed. Now I'm saying that, I'm trying to remember.

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Who was the one that threw the pine cones? Were they all throwing them?

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It sucks that they know that that tiger was like- Maybe they were all throwing pine cones. Maybe I heard the story wrong.

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It's whoever the fuck is closest. Yeah, yeah. Who's closest? Who's going to get taken out first? This thing has never had a chance to take out anything.

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I mean, the whole reason they exist is they are the cleanup crew for nature. Anything that has a limp, anything that does something stupid, you go walking through the thick grass, that's a wrap. That's what they're there for. They're there for overpopulation because they exist around deer. Yeah, of course. They exist around a very specific kind of deer. It's called an axis deer.

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And these deer move like lightning, dude. Yeah. You ever seen an axis deer? No, I don't think so. They fucking, they take off like it's crazy because they evolved around tigers. Right. So they just explode away so fast.

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No? They're so big. They're too dangerous. You could get a broken jaw, broken leg. They stomp your head. You're dead.

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That would kind of suck. Reported that her claws were not frayed, suggesting that she made the 12-foot, 9-inch leap on her first attempt. Oh, my God. God. Dr. Dunker also reported that there was no disease or signs of trauma on the body other than bullet wounds for the cat. Jesus Christ. Do you know there's one specific tribe of lions in Africa that does hunt water buffalo?

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Because they get stranded on an island? Yeah. Oh, wow. The currents changed to this river, and these lions got stranded on this island that only has water buffalo. Oh, wow. And so the female lions evolved to become much larger than normal female lions. They look like hulk lions. It's crazy. It's called relentless enemies. Because they're the hunters, the females, right?

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Yes, the females are the hunters. So they got as big as male lions. Wow. So the female hunters, they're jacked, too. Like, they look freakish because they have to take out water buffalo all the time.

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Yeah. I wouldn't recommend doing it for 10 minutes the first time.

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Yeah, I have seen that. Crocodiles are the ultimate cleanup crew. Yeah, you see if you can find that relentless enemies thing because you should get to see what these females lions looked like We always get in trouble right just show to us because these female lions they don't even look real they look like CGI lions They're super jacked.

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You went a little crazy.

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Yeah. But kudos to you for doing it. It's fucking hard to do 10 minutes.

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They're the hunters But this this documented relentless and it seemed to find one of the images of the jack Look at what she's built like she's she's built like a male. Oh That's insane.

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It's a great documentary, though. Because it's just about nature adapting. Right. Look at the size of her. Oh, my God. They're so much bigger. And, you know, they have to be because these fucking things are ruthless. I mean, water buffalo are huge.

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And they're tough as shit. You can hang off them with their claws and they don't even notice it.

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And they're in those open Jeeps?

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What is that about? Yeah, lock that shit up. What is that about? They just haven't figured out yet that they can get you?

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Bro, I want to be in an Iron Man suit with a chain mail gun. Yeah. One of those chain gun. I do not want to be.

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What happened? Power went out.

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Is the video recording?

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The video is the only thing recording? Yeah. Can we keep going, or should we stop?

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Oh, there it goes again.

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Really?

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The camera's shut off and on too, though.

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But it's recording, right?

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Right. What could possibly happen?

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Okay, we'll take a little pee break. We'll come back, ladies and gentlemen and non-binary folk. Now we're up. Oh, we were just about to complain about the government or whoever it is.

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They're trying to ban free speech, man.

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I feel privileged. Is it a brownout? Is this one of them brownouts?

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Texas has its own grid, which is great until it's not.

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Yeah, it got real close. Apparently during the cold front, it got real close. They were like 30 minutes away from losing the whole grid.

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That was the first year we lived here. No one knows how to drive in the snow. It was hilarious. Yeah, I remember that. People with Corvettes spinning around intersections.

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And I drink whiskey. No rocks.

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Pipes froze.

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Yeah. You got to have some water, folks. Keep some water in your house. It's a good move. If you're in a place that happens like that. So if this happens in Boston, they know how to deal with snowy roads. They fix things.

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They plow.

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Like, hey, guys, I've been here twice and it snowed. How about buy a fucking plow? Have one.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4065.19

But that's so stupid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4073.078

It's funny if you grew up in a place like I grew up in Boston, which is like snow is just normal. It's just normal. It's part of up snowing out. Did you even have like did school ever close?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4090.309

It happened every time. We did have them. We did have snow days because it did fucking snow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4096.03

But in places like there, if it's just snowing a little, they let you go to school.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

410.045

Yeah, if you could get that in a pill, it would be a very popular pill. I know. People would be taking it all day long.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4103.091

You had a day off. I think I learned more in snow days than I did in any other day.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4112.273

Like, please, I can stay home and watch cartoons, please. It was no greater joy than a snow day. Oh, it was wonderful. And now the snow sucks. You hate it. Someone should redesign school. School's terrible. Yeah. It's just the whole design of getting kids to sit down all day. It's fucking terrible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4142.218

Terrible for kids.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4145.021

Yeah. Tired and bored. Yeah. And this shows this thing you're doing in front of me sucks. I got back to the Adderall thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4153.408

What did you start off with? How much were you taking in the beginning?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4160.832

Jamie, you said 20 kept you up for two days?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

417.611

Yeah. This is better for your brain because there's a thing, there's a part in your brain, Andrew Huberman has talked about this, I forget what it's actually called, but there's a part of your brain that actually grows when you force yourself into do difficult things. Like say if you're a person who likes to run and you force yourself, I'm going to run five miles every morning for 60 days.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4173.766

So you started off with 30s. Yeah. Did you start taking it every day or? Yeah. Right away?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4179.792

Recreationally?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4182.795

So it was FDA approved. So you did listen to a psychiatrist. I did listen. She is a doctor.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4254.394

So what did you, you said you were up to 90 a day. So how'd you wean?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4260.351

Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4262.391

So were you completely functional when you were on it, or were you out of your mind?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4269.653

Oh, you couldn't stop talking.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4292.241

And you're a lot of work. It's actually a perk. Yeah, exactly. It's actually a plus.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4307.952

Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4330.062

Well, I mean, that's why they were prescribing it to people back in the day when they first came up with it, like in Nazi Germany. Even before they were giving it to the Nazis, you could buy that. What was it called? What is it called? Pervitin? Pervitin. Pervitin?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4344.812

That's the Hitler speed? Well, it was the for sale version of methamphetamine that you could buy at drugstores. Yeah. And people would just take it. It was like a low dose. It's essentially just like, that's it right there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4359.282

kind of real similar to Adderall in a lot of ways but it was a you know it was methamphetamine oh right and you just could take it this is like over the counter right yeah back when they had like heroin look at that methamphetamine hydrochloride

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4373.359

So it was a small dose, and people would take it all day long, and it gave them all this energy to get things done. I mean, think about the engineering that was coming out of Germany at the same time. Yeah. Kind of nuts, man. They were focused. They were fucking dialed in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

438.615

Like if you can actually do that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4393.712

Yeah. Yeah. If he wasn't on it, he probably wouldn't have killed as many people. Well, if he wasn't on everything. He was on oxycodone, and they were giving him all these crazy animal hormones. He was having them remove animal organs, and they were injecting glands into Hitler's body. He was like, they were practicing on it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

441.035

Yeah. This is my Fred Cam. I'm trying to imagine myself running. I have a buddy of mine that was doing a marathon every day. Oh, really? Yeah. He's a psycho. He does these ultra marathons. Oh, my God. Where they run for three days. He does- It's like Forrest Gump.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4423.159

Yeah, that's why I was confused, too, because I had always heard that it was meth. Because I knew that there was meth use, and I knew that Hitler liked cocaine, and they used to shoot him up with testosterone, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4446.514

Bro, he was on like 90 pills a day. He did so much, they think it's part of the reason why he went deaf. Really? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4454.737

Yeah, there's actually a thing that happens when you overdose on opiates. You take too much opiates, it fries your fucking ears.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4471.183

I think who you are at your core, why you operate in life... Whatever you're taking, whether it's alcohol or pot or whatever, it only enhances that, who you are at your core. So if you're like an evil person deep down, but you're covering it, and then you get drunk and you get really vicious with people, those people are probably already vicious inside of them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4491.975

That's totally true. Or if you're a happy drunk, you're probably a good guy. And you need a couple of drinks to feel loose, and now you're fun, you're having a good time, you're loving, you're hugging everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4510.666

Right. Like I'm just like rigid. That's the benefit of some drugs is that they allow you to relax whatever insecurities you have and just be cool with people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

458.424

Yeah. Yeah, he ran across America. But they do these things through the mountains. Like they do the Moab. I think it's the Moab 200 or 240. So it's 240 miles through mountains. It's not just like straight 240 miles. Like you're going over mountains and hills and shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4586.4

Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4594.564

I thought they'd go, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4650.371

Right. She just had to stay put.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4688.837

A lot of problems with EMTs and people like that. It's not a problem, but it's part of the job is they get real accustomed to people being fucked up and dying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4699.825

It's kind of crazy. I've talked to friends that worked as EMTs, and they have the most morose senses of humor. I know. And they're so used to people dying. And they tell you stories. They all have PTSD. They're all fucked up. They all get the gunshot wounds, and they all see the worst shit. Car accidents, the worst shit. Motorcycle crashes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4725.169

That's so crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4729.964

Oh, my God. Yeah. No way it's coming back?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4771.449

After one of them had a stroke.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4786.721

That's the luck of the draw.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4799.149

Oh, Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4815.981

Oh, wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4819.742

Well, that's the kind of therapist you want.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4823.324

So she doesn't get jaded by the world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4826.825

Therapist. That's another one. I mean, you got to think everyone's out of their fucking mind because everybody you're talking to is out of their fucking mind.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

484.96

I used to not run at all, and then I entered into a 5K, and I couldn't believe how hard it was to do. It's insane. I thought I was in reasonably good shape.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4868.323

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4872.285

I guess that's better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4881.228

After a certain point in time, you might look for that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4884.43

I'm looking for nonsense talk now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4887.791

Do you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4897.613

You know, that's probably a good sign.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4905.415

You've gone through a lot, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4907.896

You learn about someone. Someone's going through heart surgery.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4935.251

Did she get upset that you have bits about it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4957.843

Yeah. The problem is if it involves someone else.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4968.347

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

497.52

Especially running shape.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4974.86

And how much trouble you're having dealing with her open heart.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4981.182

Absolutely. I feel that way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4994.986

Your first ever really serious one?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

4998.127

Oh, wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5000.327

But you're a comic, and it's like, it's so hard for comics to just settle down to just staying put and doing things with a person. It's tough. You're just so used to just running from club to club and set to set and meeting your friends, and it just becomes a bizarre lifestyle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5022.076

Yeah, your night times are filled.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5024.658

And they get mad. You don't have to do a set tonight, but I do. Yeah, you have to. I remember when I was dating this girl, I was 25, and she was like, you don't have to go up tonight. I'm like, but I do. I suck. I need to get better. This is only one way to do it. I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5055.453

How did you develop that way of thinking, you think?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

508.843

I think they're drug addicts too, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5099.386

But that also can happen if you're with someone who has – they don't understand. Like if they have unreal expectations, they expect you to just quit doing – like I had a friend and he was a good comic and he was dating this woman who wanted him to get a job. And he was doing pretty good. He wasn't headlining all the places, but he was middling quite a few places.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

511.323

Natural drugs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5120.466

And he had some bits that were bangers. He had some good bits. And he could have been a really good comic. And then he got divorced a couple years later. I ran into him three years later. He got divorced. He was trying to do comedy again. But he hadn't done comedy in three years. And he lost all of his momentum. And he couldn't get spots. And no one gave a shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5135.49

And everybody else had kind of moved on and moved up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5148.601

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5155.127

I think the thing was with this guy is that he was in his 30s and it hadn't happened yet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5161.552

And... It was one of those, probably the parents, like, what is he doing? What if he doesn't make it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5169.16

Have you ever experienced that? I had a girl that I was dating when I was 21, and her father said that, like, what if he doesn't make it? First of all, I'm fucking 21. I'm a little kid. Leave me alone, asshole. But second of all, yeah, he's right. He's like, who fucking knows? I might not make it, but... I'm going to try. I'm not going to not try because I might not make it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

518.165

Runner's euphoria. Yeah. I don't know. What are the actual chemicals that get released during a runner's high? We'll find that out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5189.477

That's a pussy's way to live life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5210.849

Yeah, that's common. Don't have a net.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5213.45

You will fall.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5220.454

That's wonderful. But there are guys that are doing open mic nights for 25 fucking years and they're still terrible. Maybe those guys should move on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5232.99

Right. Well, at 21, I really didn't know if I was one of those people. But you have to at least give it a chance. And if you're dating someone that doesn't want you to do something wild and take a chance, this is not going to work.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

526.288

It's got to be dopamine. But there's a thing that you do when you do a lot of cardio where you do get really high. Yes. Not high in a bad way, but high in a very chilled endorphins. Endorphins. That's what I was looking for. Popular culture identifies these chemicals behind the runner's high. So you just- It says it's short-lasting. I don't think it's that short-lasting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5262.287

Oh, if you have a kid and you're starting out as a comic, boy, that is a fucking uphill slog.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5273.174

Well, if you live in the city, at least you do it when everyone's asleep. Right, right. When I was living in L.A., I would do 10 o'clock shows. So I'd be at home and then everybody's basically going to bed. I'm like, I'm going out. I'm going to go do shows. So I do shows from 9 p.m. on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5289.49

Yeah, it's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5292.678

It's crazy. But it's also, you know... The thing is, like, they go to bed early. And as long as you have a spouse that understands what's going on and she's cool with it, you can go out and do sets. Yes. But if you're starting out then and this is like this pipe dream that you have and you're not making any money doing it, that's a totally different thing. Like, I was already a headliner.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5313.904

I was already on television. I was already making money. That's how we made money. I had to go do comedy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5318.968

So that's a job. But it's not a dream. You know, it's like. If you're chasing a dream and you're 36 and you have three kids and you want to quit your job at the accounting company, yikes, bro. Now you're kind of being an asshole. Well, it's also like, you better get really fucking good before you quit that job. How are you going to have the time to get really fucking good?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5352.151

Exactly. And it's like there's a lot of people that are they have the dream of stand up, but they probably haven't really gone at it 100 percent. Yeah, well, that's the other thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5363.295

And they still have this thing in the back of their head that one day they will, and one day they'll really bear down and really start writing and really start performing more often and going up more than twice a week, and they just don't. And then they get into this situation where, like, oh, my God, everyone's kind of passed me by.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5377.78

And all the guys I started out with are now working professionals touring the road, and I'm still stuck in L.A.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5410.924

You have a very clear responsibility, and it's not yours. I'll do your job for you if you want to take a nap. I'll babysit the kid for you. You go back to being the boss of the kids.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5427.81

Give me what number to call if anything goes wrong. Yeah, that's hilarious.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5436.595

I think it's good, but it's not good for everybody, and it's not good depending upon what kind of relationship you're in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5446.083

I've seen that happen before. Like, what are you doing? Are you crazy? You guys are about to break up, and now you're having a kid? Yeah, that doesn't work.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5454.074

It's going to keep us together. Sort of, I guess. Yeah, I mean, you'll always talk. I feel like kids...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5459.662

break people apart more than anything they break some people apart they bring some people closer they definitely brought me and my wife closer really yeah it's not a it doesn't have to be a negative thing it's just like comics look at it as a thief of their time I know you know and you know Louis said it best he said you just gotta let it change you yeah yeah yeah you know I thought that was really good advice because it definitely changes you and you can't resist it you just gotta be who you are now you're just a different person now now you're a person that's watching babies come out of your wife's body laughing

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5488.982

And then grow up and talk to you, and you take them to do things together, and you have fun laughing together. It's like this very strange thing where a life that did not exist now exists. Right. And you love it more than anything you've ever loved in your life. You love this person.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

549.603

Oh, here it goes. It says up to a few hours. That makes sense. So the Bliss, it can last anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5513.136

I talk to my kids about the most boring shit ever. But to them, it's not boring. They like to talk about bands they like and stuff they like. It's interesting. It's fascinating to watch their little minds grow and the way they interface with the world and see them develop skills and things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5564.049

Roger Ailes was a hemophiliac? Mm-hmm.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5566.17

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus. That's a scary one. I know. Anybody could just punch you to death. Yeah, or just, yeah. Just give you a bloody nose and you bleed out. Yeah, it's crazy. That's nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5589.673

Makes sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5592.957

A double whammy to deal with.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5601.207

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5606.445

So you've got baby fever a little bit. It seems like you keep talking about it. A little bit. A little bit. A little touch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5623.296

I don't think everybody needs to. There's a lot of people that have kids that say, everybody should have a kid. I think you can have a wonderful life without having children. I think it's totally possible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5638.289

I read this horrible story about this child prodigy that the mother trained this child to do everything. They rebelled at 18 and she killed them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5649.134

Yeah. Rebelled against the thing? I forget. I got so disturbed by it, I turned the page. But I was reading about this story.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5658.198

Yeah, well, there's a lot of psychos that their kid is just a representation of them. It's not an individual human being. It's their property. It's them going through life. You will do what I tell you to do. You will be a lawyer. You will be a football player. Whatever the fuck it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5678.726

It's like the oxycodone thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5680.827

Who are you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5695.13

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5705.876

Kind of makes sense why he's so cocky. The guy was like flying high all day. Like, whee! Rush. Rush. Yeah. That's excellence in broadcasting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5716.045

That was his thing, right? Yeah. Excellence in broadcasting. Rush Limbaugh. Just never at once just be at peace. It just made me think, too, like this whole idea of conservatives being like buttoned down, sober people who look at the world clearly. No, your fucking main guy is pilled out of his fucking mind, spouting out nonsense. Obama's from Kenya.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5746.342

The doctor said. FDA approved. The doctor said. I told the doctor I have an Adderall problem. He gave me a prescription.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5757.549

That is so wild that they said that to you. I know. It was insane. That's so wild. Yeah, well, you need it. You obviously are on it. You shouldn't get off of it because then you could die or something. You could fucking be slow and not as... It was hard to get off.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5783.265

It seems like a lot of coping. A lot of things going on in your head right now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5786.506

Talking about this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5788.127

Because it always has a grip on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, well, maybe I could go back. But then I would start chain smoking. I don't want to do that. So I don't want to go back.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5795.629

Let's relapse right now. Just fucking crush them and start snorting them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5802.113

Yeah, I've avoided those, but I've been curious about Adderall.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5808.155

Nope. Nope. Never done cocaine, never done Adderall.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5812.057

Yeah, but when I was a kid, I got very lucky and – not lucky, but one of my friends, his cousin was addicted to coke. And I watched this guy's life completely fall apart. He was selling coke and – it was like he got bit by a vampire.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5826.263

Like he was a different person. He was real skinny and all gaunt and shit and just coked up all the time and fucked up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5839.165

I think a lot of them don't follow the rules. He wasn't like a businessman. He was a guy who got Coke and sold some of it. I'm such a nerd, but that's not drug dealer protocol. Yeah, I mean, it's from the biggie, the 10 crack commandments. 10 crack commandments. Don't get high off your own supply.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5871.02

But what about when you were getting up at farmer hours? You saw a lot of sunrises then, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

588.556

It's all he cares about. See, that's one if you get into, you're relying on your vehicle, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like if you're getting into chess, you can pretty much always move those fucking things around. Yeah, yeah. You know, if you really get obsessed with chess.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5881.068

And it's easier to stay awake than it is to get up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5886.482

If you're on Adderall, it's way easier to just stay up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5893.807

When I was young, I used to love staying up all night. I used to think it was awesome that I would be going to bed when everybody was running around.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5924.766

Yeah, every now and then you probably shouldn't do that, but every now and again do it. I don't think it's so bad.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5932.511

It's good for you. Until you get vitamin D, how you stay healthy. But when I was in my early 20s when I lived in New York, I would stay up all night all the time. Really? Yeah, I'd go to bed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5945.66

Playing pool mostly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5948.182

Yeah, so I'd go to the clubs, then afterwards go to the pool hall, play pool until 4 o'clock in the morning, go to a diner, get something to eat with my friends. 6 o'clock in the morning, I was hanging out with just complete derelicts, like pool hustlers and crazy people and comics. So it was like no one was normal. And so then it was normal. So I called someone at 5 o'clock.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

5969.019

I said, I just woke up. They would think it was funny. I was like, I was up all night. It was normal. It wasn't like you, loser. I was like, oh, you're living the crazy young life. And you liked it, huh? It was a good time.

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Yeah, but when you're playing pool all night and you're drinking coffee and just hanging out, it's the time. And also, I was so used to it. I didn't have anything to get up for. I didn't have a job. That's when you were doing comedy work? Yeah, I just started making money doing comedy, so I had enough money that comedy for the first time in my life was legitimately paying my bills.

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Man, the replacer always gets it done. Seriously, though, if you're hooked on Call of Duty, this is your time to jump in. Head over to callofduty.com slash blackops6 to get in the game. Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Available now. Rated M for Mature. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Dogs are amazing. They're loyal. They're lovable.

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Paying my rent. I had a car. I was driving around to gigs. I was doing headliner gigs in Connecticut and Jersey, like 500 bucks there, 350 there. So every week I was making a good amount of money, and I was just having a good time.

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How many years in did you become a complete professional?

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A long time. So you really did keep a job. Do you think the job held you back or do you think it helped you?

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Nice.

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Ooh. I did that a couple of times.

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Bus trips to a gig are rough.

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It's the weirdest fucking people. Like, where are you in normal walks of life other than Walmart?

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Remember that story about the one guy who cut a guy's head off on a Greyhound?

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That guy, what was he? He was just like schizophrenic or something? He cut some guy's head off that was sitting next to him?

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I'm scared of chess. Really? Yeah, I'm scared I'd get addicted to it. It's that crack. Right, but I don't have any time. That's why I won't play golf. Same thing. I'm sure the golfers, like Jamie's a big golfer, they'll tell you how awesome it is. I'm like, I believe you. I'm not going to try it. I'm not going to let it get its fucking fangs into me.

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Canada man who beheaded bus passenger granted freedom. What? The Canadian legal system is insane. Wait, what?

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He was deemed not criminally responsible and received mental health treatment. A review board in Manitoba ordered his discharge without monitoring, saying he did not pose a significant threat. When you behead someone on a bus, aren't you a significant threat?

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Oh my God.

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He removed his internal organs. Repeatedly stabbed him. Oh, my God. Attack began without warnings, alerted by screams from the victim. The driver stopped the bus and fled with the passengers as Mr. Baker continued his attack. He was found not criminally responsible in 2009 for the killing, spent seven years in treatment, secure wing of a psychiatric hospital.

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The voice told me I was the third story of the Bible, that I was like the second coming of Jesus, and I was to save people from a space alien attack. He also said he was really sorry for what he had done. It's funny, back to back. It's the best that they took him completely out of context. Generally, I'm not a fan of that. But in this stretch, I put that back up.

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I like how they talk him completely out of context and said, really sorry, in quotes. Not even dot, dot, dot.

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Are you sorry? I'm really sorry.

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Okay.

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Well, he definitely doesn't pose a significant threat to the safety of the public. Imagine if that's your friend. This guy cut your friend's head off and they just let him out. It's insane.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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Well... He had his reasons. You hear about the lady in California that smoked weed and she stabbed her boyfriend. She killed him. She stabbed him like 11 times, something crazy. And they deemed her not criminally responsible because she went psychotic. She had a psychotic break from the weed. But here's the thing. Was she really sorry? She was really sorry.

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I think she said really, really.

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I think we're good.

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I feel like that is one of those moments where I go, okay, if that was a man that did that to a woman and had the same excuse, I do not think anybody would buy it. No. Not for a fucking second. Just to be like. Woman. Oh, 108 times. Excuse me. Excuse me. 108 times. Did I say 11? You said 11. I meant 108. What the fuck? California. I forgot. A potent strain of pot. Yeah, it's super potent.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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That's a really potent strain. But it was really potent. Dude, relax. Stop being so judgy. I mean, it was really potent.

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She went to jail scot-free. She was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. What is the difference between involuntary and involuntary? I didn't mean to kill him. I only stabbed him 108 times. Yeah, I guess involuntary is... One time should be attempted murder, and if you actually kill them, it's murder.

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That's one stab. Yeah, premeditated comes in for murder. Right, okay. But wait a minute, isn't it second-degree murder if it's not premeditated? I think that's what it is. I think that's what second-degree murder is. You don't mean to... Yeah, manslaughter is an accident.

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He's got his reasons.

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Although the two were dating, Spetcher told the outlet she never considered Amelia her official boyfriend and said she told him she no longer had any romantic interest in him two days before killing him. Okay. She claimed he was aggressive, intimidating, and had a temper, she told the outlet.

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So when he encouraged her to hit a bong on the day of the stabbing, she gave into the pressure, then went into a deadly psychosis. Well, I think her alibi is that he was really annoying. He seemed super annoying. He got real loud and yelly. Yeah, imagine that for a woman. He got super shouty. Fuck that guy. Imagine a guy doing that. But also, so we're both accountable. Oh, my God.

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Also, it doesn't have to be sunny out. Yeah, exactly. Three in the morning. I don't want to go to bed.

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But there's obviously been more attention to my part versus Chad's part. The part where the guy got stabbed 108 times.

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Months before the fatal encounter, Amelia's roommate also had an extreme reaction after smoking out of the same bong, Goldstein said. He suffered hallucinations and fear of death. But that just sounds like he got too high. That's just what every time I get high. What kind of fucking bong does this guy have? Yeah.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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She only smoked pot less than a half a dozen times prior to the stabbing, her lawyer said, describing her as a naive user. She's naive. But just imagine the sexes being reversed. She got really yelly, and I got real nervous. And, you know, I had only smoked pot like six times before that.

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Are you really, really sorry? Well, also, like, what about her part? She was kind of responsible.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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That's pretty high, son. But it's like... Because there's caution for high tolerance users only. Yeah, but the problem is the side effects or the effects of marijuana do not match that at all.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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It's the opposite. I don't... Yeah, that's... I think that's on her. Los Angeles-based dispensary found marijuana flower for sale legally with TH levels as high as 39%. That's even more potent. Similar levels were available Friday from a local competitor, but yet no one's running around stabbing people. It's just so crazy that they accepted that. That sounds so nuts.

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And you talk about victim blaming. Well, what about Chad? Chad was really shouty. Oh, his name was Chad?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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Never mind, then. Didn't they say... That's his name, right?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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It's not a good name for a guy that got stabbed. Automatically. Unless her name's Karen. Automatically, you're going to be like... Sean. It was Sean? But it's like what we said.

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Right.

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Also, how do you keep doing it after you do it one or two times?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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That's so crazy. Your arm must get tired. You stabbed him 108 times. It's actually a pretty impressive workout. She probably hurt herself.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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She got hurt too. What about that? It's a good point. I couldn't imagine ever seeing those roles reversed. There's no way.

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And I don't get that high.

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I only smoked pot five or six times. That's not like your first time. Five or six times is like, you know what weed does. But weed doesn't do anything. It doesn't make you kill people. No, no. I mean, you can go crazy, though.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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I had to quit cold turkey. I used to play Quake online. It numbs you out. It's crazy. It's just too easy to get a game. Because you could always, at any moment in time, I could either be bored, I could be having a conversation that's boring, or I could be doing something boring, or I can just log in and have a death match one-on-one with some dude from fucking Denmark. I know.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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Some people freak out. They really do. But she must have really despised that guy. And that might have popped out of her. What am I with this fucking idiot? That's in there. Not that deep.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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Yeah, it seems like if you hit 108 golf balls, that's what you're trying to do. That's about the max you could do. You get pretty fucking tired. It seems like she was more on Adderall with that amount of stabbing. That sounds so crazy. I want to know if she was on anything else along with it. Because if you mix Zoloft with cocaine, it's very dangerous.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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There are certain things that if you mix stuff with, no bueno. Really? Yeah. People lose their fucking marbles. What's bad with Prozac? I'm on Prozac. That's a good question. What is bad with Prozac? Let's find out. If you're on Prozac, should you be taking edibles? Oh, boy. What happens? I take one every night. Oh, well, you're the test. It's fine for you. I was looking up. That's the thing.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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It's like what's fine for you is not fine for everybody.

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Okay. You shouldn't take. It may increase your risk for bleeding problems. Oh, a couple of strokers. Make sure your doctor knows if you're also taking other medicines that thin the blood, including non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen. I take Advil all the time. It interacts with monoamine oxidase inhibitors, MAOIs, other antidepressants, and blood thinners.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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I can't mix it with my girlfriend's medication. That's saying don't take ayahuasca, though. Oh, really? Yeah.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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Well, don't do it. I'm already not going to do it. If you're on the Prozac, don't do it. I'm not into that. It said non-steroidal anti-inflammatories and MAO inhibitors, and that's one of the ingredients. Serious bleeding, serotonin syndrome.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

6761.882

I think it's about the blood thinning stuff. Oh, really? Manufacturer Prozac recommends that you avoid drinking and alcohol while taking this drug. Hey, I don't drink. There you go. Alcohol can worsen. I think I'm good. Okay.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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Is this the same one that gave you the Adderall prescription?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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No? Different one? Are you one of those guys that shops around for different psychiatrists?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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You know, like, it's crazy. Like, I remember typing, like, where do you live? And then people are like, I'm in Estonia. Like, whoa, that's crazy. While you're killing them. You kill each other and you make little pauses and you ask. It's fun.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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Is there anything else that helped other than Prozac? Is there any activities that helped?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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So the Paxil was helping you in a different way than the Prozac is?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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And what was the difference in the way you felt on Paxil versus on Prozac?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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Yeah, it was awful. Was there anything else that you tried that helped that at all?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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Do you wish you were on Prozac to begin with? Or do you think that like – did something about taking the anti-anxiety medication accentuate it when you got off it? Accentuate the – Yeah, like the anxiety. Did you have the same level of anxiety before you did Paxil that you had when you got off of it?

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Yeah, but I think that's okay. As long as you're doing something that you actually enjoy, I don't think there's anything wrong with being obsessed with something.

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How long were you off it for?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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So four months of hell.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7162.642

I can get it sometimes. I can talk myself into it. I can talk myself out of it. I get anxiety about existential threats. I get anxiety about war, sometimes late at night.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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I get anxiety the more I read about history, the more I understand how many times in history society was, everything was great and everything was fine, and then all of a sudden some terrible event took place, and then we went back to the Stone Age. This is an imminent threat to life that we look at the goings on in the world as if it's some plot in a television show that we're watching.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7202.714

You're watching what's happening in Ukraine. You're watching what's happening in Gaza. And you're watching what's happening in Iran. And you're watching all this crazy shit. And it doesn't seem real because it hasn't affected you. But late at night when everyone's asleep, that's when it gets me. Right.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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I started thinking that this ridiculous life that we live and all the stupid societal conflicts that we have that are mostly meaningless and nonsense... and that they're accentuated constantly in the news, all the while real people are dying in drone suicide bombs. You can watch them on YouTube.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

723.864

I think that's the deal with a lot of kids that are bored in school and they're calling them ADHD. I think they think that the subjects that are being discussed are boring as fuck. Of course. They're bouncing off the walls. They're 13 years old. They have so much fucking energy.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7245.589

Yeah, I mean, I've seen so many people die on Instagram reels. So many people get... blown up by missiles and blown up by drones, suicide drones slamming into people and detonating them. I watched this guy, some guy, I forget what part of the world it was, but he wore a suicide vest. They tried to stop him, and these guys run, and they grab him, and they all explode.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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They're trying to stop him from pulling the vest, and this bomb goes off, and you see just parts of people flying, and you're like, fuck, man. This is all happening in the world right now. It's just not happening right here. You're watching it. You're like, for some reason, I'm really anxious right now. Yeah, I get freaked out.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7284.085

And I start thinking about just how fragile our civilization really is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7289.98

yeah oh yeah it's completely fragile i mean yeah and we're so soft we're so accustomed to living this way we're so like when the power went off earlier when we're doing this podcast what do we do we wait for it to come back on yeah somebody's gonna fix it what if it doesn't come back yeah i used to have a bit about that like when the the dumb people out fuck the smart people and the power just goes off and no one has any idea how to turn it back on again like what do you do somebody does it they do it and but what if that guy's dead like do we know and when do we know

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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How long afterward do we figure out the power's not coming back?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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And we're connected by the most fragile thing we have, which is the power grid and our computer infrastructure. All of it can be wiped out in one solar flare.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7336.969

Yeah. It's the only reason why we're alive. It's 100 degrees outside, and I have a hoodie on. I'm super comfortable in here. We have air conditioning. We're fine. We're not dying of heat exhaustion. We're not out there dehydrating to death.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7353.455

And we're just so vulnerable. And we're so reliant to keep this civilization going the way it is. Think about what we've been talking about today. If you go back and watch films from the 1930s and 1950s, how horrific people treat each other.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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And over time, because of our access to all these different human beings and how they feel about things and how they discuss things, all that has kind of elevated our discourse and elevated the way we communicate with each other and we interact with each other and we demand more. And there's going to be overcompensation and things are going to go back and forth.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

738.194

Exactly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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But generally, it's moving in the right direction. But that's only because all of our needs are met and because there's electricity.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7394.863

So electricity is the thing that changed everything. When you can stay cool and stay warm, you can live in places you shouldn't be living. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7402.569

It would be a hellhole to live in without AC.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7404.891

Unlivable. All cities would be a hellhole. Yeah. There's no food. No one's growing food. How do you eat? As soon as trucks stop coming in, everyone's fucked. Yeah.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7414.979

You have enough food for like a few hours of everybody eating and then that's it. Yeah. The Gaza stuff is awful.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7433.927

It is complicated and horrible, and it's also complicated when you see so much anti-Semitism.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7439.049

Like, open anti-Semitism about all Jews. I know. As if there's, like, this cabal of evil people that are pulling the strings.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7455.498

Right.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7471.83

I don't know if you remember. Yeah, we have a right to get cautious, you know. But it's also, that's one of the things that, I forget who was talking to us about this. It might have been Jordan Peterson, but it was somebody. When they were saying that it's one of the hallmarks of a civilization's decline, they start blaming things on the Jews. It is. It's really common. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7489.502

Because Jews stick together, and it's a very difficult club to get into.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7501.807

Which, by the way, was being protested for months on end before October 7th.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7516.135

Exactly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

752.761

There was an article in one of the science journals recently about – one of the science magazines recently about ADHD. And then they were saying that it was actually – an advantage to think that way for hunter-gatherers. Oh, wow. This is left over from where they're constantly looking at other things and trying to pay attention. And they could focus on one thing very intensely. Oh, wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7533.126

Like all human beings everywhere in the world. There's good people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7552.896

Sixty five percent of people say it's OK to rape Palestinian prisoners. Who did you talk to? Who did you talk to? 65% of who? Who the fuck is answering that poll? Hey, let me ask you a couple questions about rape. Who the fuck is answering that? What are you talking about, raping prisoners? I'm all in. By the way, I'm on my way to work. I gotta go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7593.081

Yeah, but there's been things like the killing of the aid workers, like the Jose Andres' people, which seems like they were targeted. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7603.978

To keep people from getting food to the Gaza refugees.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7611.289

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I'm just saying that that's the accusation is that they knew who those people were.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7647.538

Look, whenever a human being is capable of doing something like that to another human being that they don't even know, they consider that person the other, you've got a giant problem. And that's the giant problem of being able to just bomb Gaza into oblivion and kill who knows how many thousands of people. It's almost like the United States' reaction after 9-11.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7666.912

9-11, the whole world was on our side. Yeah. Everybody wanted America to prosper. We can't believe America was attacked. America, this shining beacon of democracy and self-government. Like, no, not America. Then what do we do? We invade Iraq.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7685.65

And we kill a million people wind up dying because of our invasion, they think. Yeah. And then you think about the weapons of mass destruction hosts. It was all bullshit. It was paraded in the media. So it's like that. It's like our overreaction was so horrific. Then everybody hated America.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7723.747

I know what you're saying, that people would retaliate. It's the way they're retaliating and the scale of it, which is horrific to people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7736.207

Well, the only way you can do October 7th is dehumanization.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7745.116

It's crazy that the – And also people pretending as if they know what actually happened and what the stats are.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7752.22

They didn't do that. They didn't do this. Are you on the ground?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7759.643

All of it is crazy. Like you don't fucking know what's actually going on. And there's a lot of misinformation that's even printed in mainstream media like the bombing of the hospital.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

776.02

But they're scanning for a bunch of other stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

778.282

You're like, ooh, what's that? And then it's like a raspberry. Also, they're always in activity and motion. ADHD may have evolved to help foragers know when to cut their losses. Oh, wow. Oh, interesting. You're too focused, you get killed. This is not the one that I read, because this is from February. The one I read was just a couple of days ago.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7792.99

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what that is. I mean, that made it all the way into newspapers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7832.063

Well, Netanyahu is this super pro-military guy. I mean, he was a special forces guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7859.396

So that's my fear when I'm up in the middle of the night, that this kind of shit is going on, that any minute it could pop off and become a nuclear war.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7870.946

Whatever it is, if you ask me if I get anxiety, that's my anxiety. No, I can totally see that. When I get really freaked out, that's what freaks me out. What freaks me out is that it could pop off at any minute, and then all of a sudden it's September 12th, you know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7884.905

But way bigger, way crazier, way scarier. And that hasn't happened since 1945, so we assume that it's not going to happen again.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7900.485

Oh, dude. When the wall fell down, it was amazing. There was like a weight lifted off of America. Everyone's like, oh, the Soviet Union's gone. We don't have to worry about a nuclear war with Russia anymore. And now it's China and Iran and fucking this and that. Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

793.836

But symptoms of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, such as impulsivity, may have helped forgers and hunter-gatherer communities quickly move on to new areas when food sources were low.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

7935.97

As long as you're in America.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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There's a lot of places where it sucked bad.

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That's the thing is we're not used to it happening right here. We're very spoiled. Oh, we're so spoiled. The Russians are so much more used to it than us. They lost so many people during World War II. Oh, yeah, like $20 million? Well, I was reading this thing about France.

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This is so crazy that during World War I, France lost 25% of its fighting-age men, and then during World War II, they lost another 25%. It's insane. What the fuck, man?

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Well, it is in other parts of the world. That's the thing. It's like we're so used to not being attacked that when something like 9-11 does happen, like Pearl Harbor happened, it was five hours over the ocean. It was the only other time we were attacked. Yeah. You know, we're so soft. We are soft. We're soft as baby poo.

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You don't think he had some help?

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No? Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? Yeah. I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. So the Bill Hicks joke, you don't buy into it? I love the joke. You love the joke. But I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. Have you ever read into that one?

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8028.152

That's one you really shouldn't be flipping about. They killed that fucking guy.

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I don't think it was Biden. I think it could be a number of people that were involved. But it seems, at the very least, like they were so...

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lax insecurity that they were inviting something to happen at the very least and knowing that that guy was walking around more than 30 minutes before with a rangefinder right seeing that guy he'd come back and forth he observed him multiple times people were talking about him they were keeping an eye on him and this guy gets on the roof with a rifle and gets off three shots um

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8076.026

Incompetence is a real theory. You know what else is a real thing? Conspiracies. Those are real, too. The problem with dismissing conspiracies as being just a silly conspiracy theory is that was the whole goal of the Warren Commission report. And that was when the term conspiracy theory got into the zeitgeist as a pejorative.

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Some dude had a really good joke about it that he put up on Instagram. It was very funny. Let me see if I can find it. Maybe you can find it, Jamie. He said that it was basically like if I thought they were going to try an assassination attempt, that seems exactly like how the government would do it. Like really inefficient. He said it was like the DMV of assassination attempts.

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That makes sense. It's like an instinct. Let's get the fuck out of here.

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find this dude who sent that to me but like but it's also I mean I guess for me it's like you also have to like you find it I saw it recently too I know what you're talking about fuck somebody sent it to me I get too many texts anything can be real but I also think the idea that he was a lone shooter is not that world is not a crazy world the idea that we're in a violent place no I'm not saying everyone has guns no not saying that he wasn't a lone shooter I think he was a lone shooter maybe there was other people shooting at him I think he was trained

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And I think somebody got him detonators. He had sophisticated detonators and explosive devices.

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I think someone talked that guy into doing that. I don't think someone talked that guy into doing it. I think it's possible that someone talked that guy into doing that.

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They took his body away and cremated it 10 days after the assassination. No toxicology report. No public. There's been no press conference about it. No telling all the details. Here's what we know. They went to the kid's house. It was professionally scrubbed. Didn't have silverware in it. Right. There's a phone that was going back and forth because, you know, they have ad data.

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They can track cell phone when they ping. There's a phone going back and forth between the offices of the FBI in Washington, D.C. and this kid's house on multiple occasions.

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That's where things get weird, right?

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I don't even think Epstein- I would not hate you with your views. I'm like the opposite of a conspiracy theorist. That's interesting. So you think Epstein killed himself?

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You have to look at the ligature marks around the base of his neck, which is not really what happens when you hang yourself. When you hang yourself, your weight of your body is what kills you. So the ligature marks, the strangulation marks are underneath the chin. His was down by his neck, and his neck was actually fractured, which is also indicative of someone getting strangled to death.

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Dr. Michael Badden, who's that... forensic scientist that did that show, Autopsy. Remember that show on HBO? He examined the autopsy, examined what the results were, and he found that the fractures in the neck were indicative of someone being strangled to death.

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8300.393

Yeah. First guy said suicide.

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8303.997

Well, it seems very convenient that the cameras went out. Yeah. It seems very convenient that the people that were on security were asleep. Seems very convenient. All of it seems convenient.

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8316.708

Since he's the most high-profile defense witness in a very important case that might have been about elites and child pedophilia, would probably want to take that guy out.

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Did you ever watch the Zapruder film?

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8355.76

The film of Kennedy's head going back into the left? Of course. How do you think that happens when you get shot from behind? What do you mean? His head goes back into the left like he got shot from the front. I don't know. I don't... You've never seen... That was a Hicks bit.

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You don't want to think about it this way. I like it. I like what you're saying.

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84.726

Just having Marshall around can make my day ten times better. I'm sure you love your dog just as much, and you want to do your best to help them live longer, healthier, happier lives. And a healthy life for your dog starts with healthy food, just like it does for us. There's a reason having a balanced diet is so important.

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8413.168

That's true.

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That's true.

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That's true. Like planes flying into the buildings, especially buildings that are that tall.

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Incompetence is real, but conspiracies are too.

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8460.625

The Lee Harvey Oswald one, when you look into it, it's pretty nutty. Yeah. It's pretty nutty. A lot of people heard shots from the grassy knoll. The amount of people that were eyewitnesses that died in mysterious ways is extraordinary, off the charts.

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Odds like that don't make any sense, but I also do think sometimes the brain like finds patterns I don't always sure and also people kill people that happens to both the thing about the the Oswald thing is there's also a lot of Evidence that points the fact that they were trying to come to the conclusion There was a lone gunman despite the evidence and one of those is the magic bullet theory The magic bullet theory is fucking cuckoo for cocoa puffs that that shit would never fly today.

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8499.602

He went through Kennedy and then into Connolly and then they found it in pristine condition on the gurney. And then they attributed that bullet to all these wounds because they had to because there was only three shots supposedly. And in those three shots that Oswald was able to get off, they knew one of them hit the back.

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And they knew one of them was hit conally and one of them blew up his head. Well, they had all different bullets for these things, for these different injuries. But then a guy got hit with a ricochet in the underpass. So they had to account for one of those bullets missing the target and hitting the whatever it is, granite curbstone and banging into this guy's face.

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And the guy had to go to the hospital. They found the curbstone that had been hit with a bullet. And so they knew that a ricochet had hit there. So now they had two bullets that had to have all these wounds. And so instead of saying, hey, maybe there's more than one person shooting. Maybe there's more than this one guy that was in the book depository.

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All these people said there were shots coming from the grassy knoll. Maybe they were telling the truth. Instead of that, they said, no, no, no, no, no. One bullet went crazy and went, oh, look, we found it. Here's the bullet. All good. And look at the bullet. All right. I'll give you Oswald if you give me the Trump shooter.

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That bullet supposedly went through two people and they found it in that condition on a gurney. If you've ever shot anything with a bullet, you know that's straight horse shit. That's not deformed at all. That's shattered bones. That's nonsense. But what is the answer?

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10?

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Well, if you read the Warren Commission report, and fucking nobody has. That's also, there's different, like see the hole in his neck? It's supposed to have gone through his back, through his neck. But in the first autopsy report, that hole in the neck was thought of as an entrance wound. And then when it got to Bethesda, Maryland, then they said it was a tracheotomy hole.

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There's like a lot of inconsistencies in the Warren Commission report. And if you want to go crazy, read a book called Best Evidence by David Lifton, who was an accountant, who read the entire Warren Commission, went over it, and found all these inconsistencies and said, They were just trying to come to this one conclusion and he didn't buy it.

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Inconsistencies, yeah.

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I don't think he acted alone. I think he was the guy that they were pinning it on. Well, he was definitely active with the CIA. He'd gone over to Russia. He'd married a Russian woman, came back to America. He was doing a lot of weird communist shit. He was involved in a lot of weird stuff that seemed to indicate that he was some sort of intelligence agent. Or at least a patsy.

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A guy they could pin this on, which is probably what they wanted to do.

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There was no internet back then, and they didn't even see the Zapruder film until 12 years later. The Zapruder film, nobody even saw it until it was on the Geraldo Rivera show in 1975 when Dick Gregory brought it on.

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8702.597

He got shot, well, yeah, at least twice. They think three times. They think that's one through the back, one through the neck, and one in the head.

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This gentleman, Norman Oler, was on my podcast two weeks ago, and he wrote all about the meth in the Third Reich. Dude, it's crazy. And speed, yeah.

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8721.527

Well, he was all fucked up. He had a lot of real physical problems. He was in constant pain. And he was also a guy that was getting treatment from Dr. Feelgood.

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Yeah, real similar. Like this one doctor. And I think a lot of that was meth as well. It was a habit of wearing a tightly laced back brace that may have kept him from recoiling to the floor of his car after the assassin's first bullet to the neck, setting him up for the kill shot. The brace was firm. So this is also, this is not the back shot either.

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8753.539

There was a shot in the neck that again, the initial autopsy said was an entrance wound. Yeah, that makes sense.

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Makes sense that it kept him stiff. He was all fucked up, though. He had, like, yeah, see, portrait of pain. See, he had, like, some real serious problems. Numerous back surgeries. So they hid. It's hard to hide news photos of him walking on crutches before and after one of his numerous back surgeries.

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It wasn't until 2002 when historian Robert Dalek was allowed access to a collection of documents spanning 1955 to 1963.

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uh in 1963 the specifics began to emerge peyton is co-author neurosurgeon just dr justin dowdy poured over dalek subsequent book numerous other biographies and scores of documents and x-rays at the jfk library in boston to prepare their paper so i was taken aback by the depths of kennedy's pain he said how long he dealt with the pain despite his short life how it affected his life i was able to conceal most of that from the public and certainly from his political adversaries

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So I wonder what back surgeries were they doing in 1963. Good Lord. It's got to be brutal. He had scarlet fever at age two, spent his teenage years in and out of hospitals with abdominal and joint pain, food-like symptoms, and extreme weight loss. Age 15, weighed a mere 117 pounds. By the next year, worried he might have leukemia, doctors began regularly checking his blood.

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So he was all fucked up, man. So he was a sick dude.

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Here's not sexy. Look at this. Yesterday I went through the most harassing experience of my life. An iron tube 12 inches long and one inch diameter up my ass. My poor bedraggled rectum, oh my God, is looking at me very reproachfully these days. Oh, my God. He was great with words. Bro, he was fucked up. He could have been a comic. Jesus Christ.

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So he got a football game, got tackled from the side, possibly damaging his spinal disc, began regularly using a corset brace to stabilize his spine and control his discomfort. So, yeah, he was all fucked up.

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Certainly people look for things that aren't there. I've read conspiracies about me, and I'm like, this is hilarious.

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But it's weird when you read them about you, and you're like, oh, this is how this works. People just make shit up, and they just run with it. What's the one about you? Oh, just nonsense, being handled by the CIA, being a part of the Illuminati, all kinds of stupid shit.

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Well, they just want to think you're controlled. They want to think that at a certain point someone comes to you and you get controlled. But that's not real.

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The reality is no one's in control. To me, that's the darkest reality. Right. MK Ultra was real, and they really were trying to teach people how to kill people, and they did it with Charlie Manson.

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I think our idea is that there's this one group of people that all agree with each other. I don't think that's real.

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I think there's competing factions even at the top levels. I think they're always battling with each other. Yes. Look, the people in the Navy sometimes don't like the people in the Army. You know what I mean?

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This is the CIA and the FBI.

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Exactly.

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Absolutely. And I feel like that about the intelligence agencies as well. I feel like, yeah, you want the CIA. You want someone who's paying attention to terrorist plots. Of course. You want them. You want the FBI to be able to investigate when someone's done something horrible.

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You want those things. You just don't want them out of control. And the problem is absolute power corrupts absolutely. And when some people get into certain positions of power, they use whatever means necessary to maintain it.

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905.299

Hitler was on, one of the things, the misconceptions that he was on meth, it appears a lot of what he was on was oxys. He was on oxycodone. Yeah, they had the original oxycodone.

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No?

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I thought it was just generally assumed that it was Hitler.

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9079.779

Right. Immediately. Well, it was a time old tactic. I mean, Nero burned Rome.

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9090.306

You mean Hitler or Nero? Hitler. Nero. You know what else Nero did? When his wife died, he found some slave boy that looked like his wife and had her castrated and paraded her around as his wife. Did he fuck the kid? I don't know what he did. Probably did. I mean, imagine he decided you're going to be my wife now. I'm going to chop your dick off and bring you out in public.

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Yeah.

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9116.217

I believe the kid killed himself.

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9118.919

A couple years later. Yeah. See if you can find that story. It is a crazy story. He found some slave boy that looked like his wife. And so, you know, back then, you're looking at him on the balcony. You're one of the peasants. Nobody knew. Yeah, he was just like... Wasn't his wife anymore. Like, he didn't want anybody to know his wife died, so he decided to make this fucking...

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9138.737

This slave boy looked like his wife.

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9143.46

Look, this is Nero, dude. This is Caligula. This dude was out of his fucking mind.

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Sporus was a young slave boy whom the Roman Emperor Nero had castrated and married as his empress under his tour of Greece in 66 to 67 CE, allegedly in order for him to play the role of his wife, Poppaea Sabina, who had died the previous year. Ancient historians generally portray this relationship between Nero and Sporus as an abomination. How do you say that name? Suetonius?

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Suetonius places his account in the Neurosporus relationship in his scandalous accounts of Neurosexual aberrations between his raping a Vestal Virgin and committing incest with his mother. Some think Nero used his marriage to Sporus to assuage the guilt he felt for allegedly kicking his pregnant wife Pompeia to death.

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Jesus Christ. Dio Cassios, in a more detailed account, writes that Sporus bore an uncanny resemblance to Bopea and that Nero called Sporus by her name. Oh, my God.

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They don't even care. I killed all the Jews. Did you ever see that video of the lady who's on pills and the cops are telling her to pull over and she doesn't know why and she has no wheel on her car? Her car is like spitting flames. Have you ever seen it? No, I've not seen it. And they pull over and she's like, what's the problem? And the cop's like, ma'am, are you on pills?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9212.401

Oh, my God. Wow. I should make a movie about that kid. Oh, look at this. Scholars have deduced that spores was likely an epithet given to him when his abuse started, considering it to be derived from the Greek word spores, meaning seed or semen, which may refer to his inability to have children following his castration. What the fuck, dude? Oh, my God. How crazy was that guy?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9243.776

You do like dark things.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9253.523

Make it a rom-com. But it's just like, what was society like back then? Because- They all had sex with kids. They fucked a lot of kids. Fucked a lot of kids. It was normal for an intellectual to have a young boy that he would fuck.

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9283.96

The greatest warriors ever. They all fucked each other.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9291.587

They didn't care who they fucked. They were just fucking anybody.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9302.02

I know. Imagine if that kept going and guys were just fucking guys today.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9317.584

Oh, really?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9323.766

Well, the idea of the Spartans was that you would fight for your lover much harder than you would fight for a friend. So like this man beside you, not only is he with you in this war, he's a fellow soldier, but he's also your lover.

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9348.773

They wanted to fuck each other, too. I think they just got used to fucking guys. I think it's probably one of those, like, guys are so gross. That's the thing about prison, right? There's no women around. We just fuck each other.

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9373.371

who's said to bear a remarkable resemblance to Pompeia. But then... He took Sporus to Greece and then back to Rome, making Calvia Caspinilia serve as his mistress of wardrobe to Sporus. Nero had earlier married another freedman, Pythagoras, who had played the role of Nero's husband. Now Sporus played the role of Nero's wife. What?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

938.986

Like, what the fuck is going on? How do you not know you lost a wheel on the highway?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9422.909

Oh, my God. Nympho. Who had persuaded the Praetorian guard to desert Nero. Nepheteus treated Sporus as a wife and called him Pompeia. So called him Nero's ex-wife, who Nero kicked to death, who he used to be married to. What the fuck? Imagine that poor kid. He's just blessed with good genetics. Got a pretty face. Got a pretty face. Cut your dick off and just fuck you and they pass you around.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

944.509

You got to see it. It's bonkers.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9455.7

I'm going to change your name again, kid.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9470.479

The rape of Prosperity. proserpina the rape of proserpina at a gladiator show oh my god so he avoided this public humiliation by committing suicide so they were gonna violently rape him and kill him in a gladiator show so he finally gets free of the shit and they're like we want you to reenact it now We're going to make you die in a gladiator show.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9498.409

He probably saw so many people get fucked up in gladiator shows.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9511.142

Oh, life back then. I mean, this is the thing. It's like they thought they were pretty progressive when they were just spanking women. Yeah. In those stupid movies. Well, you don't know. Yeah, you don't know. Give me a little hammer to spank her in the ass. Oh, here you go. It was normal. Yeah. At least he didn't cut her dick off.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9536.507

We are way better than those days.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9539.108

We're way better than the Nero. If you just read that account and imagine if Biden did that. Imagine if Biden's wife died so he found some fucking page that looked like his wife and had him cut his dick off and brought him to Greece as his wife. He'd be like, this guy's a maniac.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

955.233

So here's this lady. She's just driving like nothing's wrong, waving. Hi.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9572.443

It didn't last long. Eventually it came for you.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9577.584

How did he die?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

959.935

Back of another car near Quail Hill Shopping Center. She says her car just gave out. Police say the woman was not impaired and they didn't arrest her. What the fuck are you talking about?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9591.723

Right, but the Nero story, that's like an historical record. The story, it took spores and did that to him.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9605.495

They're going to be writing that about Hitler someday. Might have been a smear It was just the oxycodone. It wasn't Hitler.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9614.299

He got some 29% THC.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9619.821

Yeah. You can't fault him for killing all the Jews. He really did think they were evil while he was tripping balls. Sorry.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9641.813

Yeah, bad guy. I'd say bad guy.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9644.777

That's pretty safe to say. That's not a conspiracy. I'm not into the... I'm not going to try to... You can't say incompetence for that one. I think that guy was probably a really bad guy. No, that was a bad guy. I think when you were the king back then, you could do whatever the fuck you wanted, which is part of the problem.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9663.258

You had so much power over people.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9669.885

Elizabeth, so this is a very controversial story too.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9672.247

I don't know about it. This lady, so this is the folklore. There's two different versions of this. So the story that gets handed down was this woman was so evil that she was a serial killer and she was beautiful when she was young. And as she got older, she would slaughter young maids and put them in a bathtub and bathe in their blood to try to rejuvenate.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

969.859

That lady's on pills. If she's not impaired, she shouldn't be ever driving. If you don't notice, you lost a wheel. Right, that's a big red flag. Is that the same one? That might not have even been the same one.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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But then the revisionist approach to it was that they accused her of all these things so that they could take her land. And they imprisoned her because she was a royal. So they imprisoned her under house arrest. They locked her up in a castle. They locked her up in a room in the castle for the rest of her life until she died.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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And they think that this possibly could be false accusations against her that were so horrific that no one would question them so that they could take her land.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9722.694

I don't know. We don't know. I mean, if they did smear her with this fake thing, it's a crazy accusation.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9732.143

You want to think there's some lady that is so vain and evil that she slaughters all the beautiful young ladies.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9738.449

And that these women started going missing. See if you can find that story. It's kind of crazy.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9747.8

When did you start? Who got you first?

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9764.396

It was old school days.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9792.6

Jesus Christ.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9794.241

That is crazy. Imagine you could take a Japanese guy's head home with you. And everyone's just like, eh, it's fine. What was the job of this guy? Case of Elizabeth Bathory inspired numerous stories during the 18th and 19th centuries. The most common motif of these works is that the countless bathing in her virgin victim's blood to retain beauty or youth.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9810.933

The legend appeared in print for the first time in 1729 in the Jesuit scholar Laszlo Turoksi, maybe? Tragica Historia was written, the first account of the Bathory case. The story came into question in 1817 when the witness accounts, which had surfaced in 1765, were published for the first time. They included no references to blood baths in his book, Hungary and Transylvania, published in 1850.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9840.672

John Paget describes the supposed origins of Bathory's blood bathing, although his tale seems to be fictionalized recitation of oral history from the area. It's difficult to know how accurate his account of events is. Sadistic pleasure is considered a far more plausible motive for Bathory's crimes. Oh, so they're saying that she did do it.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

985.876

Right, okay, this is it. Like, there's no way you don't know that. There's no way you don't know. And the trunk's open.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9862.867

Bathory's been labeled by Guinness Book of World Records the most prolific female murderer, although the number of her victims is debated. So this is Wikipedia, though? Yeah, I think there was another article that Elizabeth Bathory was, like, Google Elizabeth Bathory was innocent.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9886.922

The myth and stories about her were made up by the Hungarian noblemen who first falsely accused her, then prosecuted her based on false evidence that was mostly hearsay. Later, they got her servants to make proof against her by forcing them to say they saw the killings of young girls while they tortured them.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9903.849

This was because the wild dislike she got in those circles because of how well she treated her What is that? Jobagi? I don't know how to translate. Basically, farmers who worked for her on the land, for house, and a portion of what they made. Making a bad example, and she was simply kind to commoners, something noblemen just loathe.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9924.709

It's also helped them, after she got locked up, they seized her estate.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9931.696

Yeah, that seems a little fishy too.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9934.82

Who fucking knows? You know, it's too many years ago for really, we don't even know what happened in 1963 with the Kennedy assassination.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9950.515

Yeah, if you could live 100 years ago, a fucking hot shower is a miracle. Oh, yeah. A hot shower is a wonderful pleasure that we just completely take for granted. To sit in that shower like, ah, soap and lather up and wash your feet and wash your face and, ah, your underarms. Ah, bathe in this preheated warm water.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9977.039

Yeah, you wanted to wash your dirty ass. You had to get in that fucking lake. Yeah. Hey, dude, it's been really fun talking to you, man. It was a really good time.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

998.223

I can't imagine that she's not medicated. That doesn't make any sense to me. Like something's going on.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

9986.14

I really enjoyed it.

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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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I enjoyed it very much.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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clawed each other back then. I didn't know that... I knew Carlson's from, I think the show was Extreme Fighting, the John Peretti show. So John Peretti, who worked for the UFC, then branched off and had another thing called Extreme Fighting. And that's where Conan Silvera came from and a bunch of elite...

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1038.505

UFC fighters Mario Sperry fought his first fights over there so it was it was like a really good competitive organization that was like right up there with the UFC back in the day and so I had Carlson Gracie's name was on that all the time and they showed some training footage of them training so I found out about that place and that was right when Vitor Belfort was emerging

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1062.848

So Vitor was 19, so I was training at the same gym as Vitor. It was incredible just watching him train. He was a freak, like just an athletic freak at 19. He was so fast, just so fast and with his hands. And everybody knew he was a black belt under Carlson Gracie, so everybody expected just jiu-jitsu. And this guy comes out with little MMA gloves on and just starts tuning people up on the feet.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1091.33

And you're like, whoa. A black belt who can do that? Like where's this coming from? Like this is a totally new thing. So that was the first fight that I attended. And that was the first fight I worked. UFC 12. Wow.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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You weren't just a chess player. You were a chess player they made a movie about, dude.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1127.702

I didn't have much to do with me, man. Well, searching for Bobby Fischer is about you, bro. Yeah. You know, which has got to be weird.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Was it weird, the dramatic representation of your life versus the real life? Yeah. What is that juxtaposition like? Is it bizarre watching a fake version of you on television or on a screen, rather? And did you have a feeling like, am I that person? I'm not that person. I am me. This is not really me, but it's about me. Yeah. Thank you very much.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Whenever someone is like an interesting person and then I find out they do jiu-jitsu too, I go, oh, I could talk to that guy for sure. Yeah. You know? You know, I get excited when interesting people do jiu-jitsu because I think to the outsider, to a lot of people that are, you know, They haven't been exposed to what it's like to train and what it's like to be around high-level jiu-jitsu people.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

122.327

When Eddie beat Hoyler, he was a brown belt? Yep. Wow. Yeah. John Jock took his black belt off of his own waist and put it on Eddie.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1305.888

Oh, yeah. What was his take on it? Was he named Bruce in the movie?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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What's a tremendous burden to place upon a young person to take their life, which is essentially anonymous, you know, to the general public, you know, known in the chess world, obviously, but in the general public.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Anonymous. And then all of a sudden a movie star. Yeah. And not a movie star in the sense that you're on the screen, but it's about you, which is probably even weirder. So you have these false expectations or false narratives of how your life played out and who the people and who the piece. So everywhere you run into people, they have a version of you that they've seen that's not real.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1481.036

But at least they know me from me talking. Yeah, that's a really good point. They don't know me. Imagine if Mario Lopez played me in a movie. Right. You know what I mean? There's someone less handsome than Mario Lopez. And then you would have this thing where like, oh, you're the guy that that guy played in the movie. And I'd be like, yeah, but that's not really me. I didn't have that problem.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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And then when did you move to New York?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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This is not real.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1511.442

Oh, yeah.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Yeah. That is a crazy time to get any kind of attention. Because you're just getting testosterone for the first time. You're like, what is all this? Right? And your body's growing. And it was flowing hard. Yeah. And you're becoming a man. Now, all of a sudden, girls like you. Like, what?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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What is this about? This is craziness.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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And you say tremendous because was that like a jumping point for improvement for you?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1627.344

That's a problem with very talented fighters as well. A lot of very talented martial artists, they never develop the discipline to truly become great Because from the very beginning, they had, and whatever the advantage was, whether it's a speed advantage, a strength advantage, genetics plays such a large part in martial arts success.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1649.803

If you have someone who's an elite mind, who is incredibly disciplined, and also has great genetics, you get a Mike Tyson. Well, that's amazing. If you can have that combination, that's what you're looking for. That's what you're looking for. But if you don't have that, and Mike Tyson is competing in your division, you're fucked. You can be really disciplined. So genetics do play a factor.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1674.684

Circumstances, coaching, there's a lot of different factors. But if you're a real prodigy, and there are people out there that are just extraordinary from the beginning, I find that if success comes too quickly, you don't develop the mettle to really push through boundaries and reach new levels quickly.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1692.819

Because the only way you get there is through, you have to, I think oftentimes training becomes, it becomes regimented, it becomes something you do. You see incremental growth and improvement. You get confidence. But then when you compete, if you get your ass kicked, then you have to kind of reassess everything. Like, okay, was I working at 10 or was I working at 8?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Was I studying tape or was I fucking off and calling girls? You know, was I paying attention to my training routine and my recovery or was I just training and partying? Like, what was I doing wrong? Like, what led this person to land those shots? What led this person to beat me?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1732.009

And if you don't have those moments where you lose, I don't think you ever really achieve your true potential because you have to be challenged. And the best expression of challenge is total humiliating defeat. Absolutely.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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So you associate not taking it on with pain.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Right. Yeah.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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That's a better way to handle it, to recognize there's a real process. There's the right way to do this. It's the only way to do this. So don't even think about the other way.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1945.876

Right. Yeah. Well, yeah. Acknowledge – well, you have to have acknowledgement of it because you have memories.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1973.511

But it's good for it to be a choice as opposed to just driving you. It's definitely good for it to be a choice. It's always good for it to be a choice because sometimes life will, you know, there's a curve that you have to take and you have to put something aside for a bit or maybe forever. And you have to be able to transition to something else. And if you can't do that, then you'll be stuck.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

1992.264

Yeah. And you see a lot of that with martial arts people. You know, most of us at a certain point in time realize that injuries are not just inevitable, but at a certain point in time you go, maybe I should stop doing this. Because training, no matter what you do, training is all about you using your body as a weapon and someone using their body as a weapon.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2015.482

Whether it's martial arts like stand-up fighting or whether it's jiu-jitsu, it's the same thing. You're trying to...

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2023.889

you're trying to isolate joints you're trying to cut off blood and you're resisting all these things and all the weak points get exposed shoulders knees ankles back neck all those things get exposed and if you're a meathead like i have been in the past you train through injuries and they get chronic and then you get to a certain point where you're like what am i doing

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2047.424

And if you can't transition to something else, if you can't find something else to do with your time, then you're a cripple. Then you're getting your 10th surgery on your back, and you're still trying to train. And everybody's like, look at Bob. He's crazy. He's got all his discs fused, but he's still training. Maybe Bob shouldn't be training. Maybe Bob's going to break something else now.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2067.841

Maybe it's time to move on to something else. And if you don't have this ability to constantly take on new projects and be excited by different things, you're going to have a shallow life. Life has so many challenges and so many fascinating things to dive into. For you now, it's foiling. For a while, jiu-jitsu, chess, anything like that, you'll find something else like that.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Where was he at the time?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2190.725

What's it like now?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2192.747

Yeah? That's great. I think a little foiling probably makes your core incredibly strong.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2243.786

Did you have a small injury that got worse over time or did you have a significant moment where you realized you hurt it?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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So in 2002, he's promoted to black belt. So he was already a black belt because this is 2003. Yeah, that sounds right. So he had only been a black belt for a year and won Abu Dhabi, which is pretty crazy. Pretty crazy. Just that. I mean, didn't just beat Shaolin, won the entire division. and just looked like no one, anybody had ever seen.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2362.183

You couldn't walk, but you could ski. Yeah, it was a very strange period. I would have told you, dude, don't ski. Don't fucking ski. It would have been a smart thing to tell me.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2384.293

They replaced them now. Eddie Bravo got a fake disc in his lower back, a titanium disc. And he's able to train again. I know quite a few guys have got them. Aljamain Sterling got one in his neck and then went on to defend the UFC Bantamweight Championship several times.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2404.083

I didn't know that. Yeah, they put artificial discs now.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2417.592

Yeah, he's got some wild stuff. And if you're not used to it, it's really interesting to watch people that just have never encountered it before. When I would go to train in other places, like I lived in Colorado for a bit and I trained at Amal Easton's. And when I'd go up there, there's so many positions that guys just didn't understand. They didn't know what was going on.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2434.802

They figured it out after a while. Like, oh, if he goes this way, he's going to try to get me in a twister. If he goes this way, he's going to try to set this up. But there's certain things that people do all the time, especially like put your hands on the mat. If you put your hands – pull up Jeremiah Vance highlights. Yeah. This is like one of Eddie's best black belts with rubber guard.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2456.17

And the way he does it is phenomenal. He has incredible leg dexterity and his technique is so sharp. And he catches people and stuff where they're like, how am I even stuck here? Do you find that flex? Yeah, here it is. So watch how quick he sets things up. It's like, right away, you're in your fucksville. Like, who does this? Who sets up a go-go plata right off the bat and then triangles it?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2485.011

Look how he sets this up. I mean, this is insane. And just massive crank on your fucking neck.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2500.56

Omoplata crucifix finish.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2504.815

And everything he does involves this incredible dexterity and flexibility. There's like a whole series of highlights. That's not even some of his best stuff. But he's able to do this to people that just don't know what he's doing. Like they don't understand some of these transitions.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2523.572

And this is just like one of the best expressions of the techniques that Eddie's developed. So Jeremiah's fantastic at that, this particular technique of being able to isolate the omoplata and then secure a choke in the transition. He does this to everybody. Look at this transition right here. Brutal. It's so nasty.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2543.802

It's so nasty, and you don't know what the fuck you're doing. How am I getting out of this? I mean, he just hits this over and over and over on people. And so many times when people go for an omoplata, people say, okay, worst case scenario, I might roll out of this and wind up on my back in side control. But not with him.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2562.933

This is like you're really close to checkmate from the moment the omoplata is set up from a position where you're defending. So you're defending correctly from the omoplata, and that winds up setting up this choke. What was your...

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

258.013

Just the scrambles and his ability to arm drag and take the back. And then once he gets to your side, the ability to transition to the back is just phenomenal.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2583.214

Oh, he's been in the MMA game for quite a while.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2589.939

Very unusual. Well, he's really, really smart, obviously. And when you see his style... The problem with his style, in my opinion, is it's so jiu-jitsu heavy that he's vulnerable when he's fighting world-class strikers. Ilya Taporia smashed him, and it was a horrible, horrible knockout. It's because Ilya's a legit Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, but also way more technical on the feet.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2617.048

And when you're fighting a guy who's just any one mistake you make in striking is a concussion. Any one mistake, boom, a big hand's coming, a knee's coming, a kick's coming. It's like something's coming if you make mistakes. It's just like being a blue belt rolling with a high-level black belt. It's the same thing. It's like you're just way too vulnerable.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2638.165

So his jiu-jitsu is off the charts, but his stand-up is not at the level of his jiu-jitsu. And that's just a real problem today. You can kind of be a specialist if you're a striker. A striker, like, there's a few guys that can pull it off if they're really strong and they have good takedown defense. Like, Pereira's the best example, right?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2657.755

Two-division world champion kickboxer comes over, dominates, becomes a two-division UFC champion as a striker because every fight starts standing up. But if you don't know how to strike, every fight starts standing up. So the beginning of the fight is always something you're not good at.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2673.986

And if you're getting tagged at the very beginning of the fight, and now you're in desperation mode, and all this person has to do, it's an enormous space they're fighting in, the octagon. And the cage of the octagon actually makes it easier to get up if someone takes you down. So there's a lot of elements that wouldn't even exist if you had a flat surface with no walls. So it's easier to defend.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2694.418

it's easier to move around because it's an enormous surface. So you're now chasing this person, and you might have already gotten a concussion. You might have already been rocked. So you're already a little out of it, and now you're like desperado mode. It's just a bad place to be. You have to have world-class striking to compete at a world-class level in MMA at this point.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2714.489

You have to have something. At the very least, you have to be really good defensively, really good. But then you're just going to get picked apart on the feet. Yeah. Your legs are going to get kicked. You're going to get brutalized. Yeah, you have to be a really good striker. And Ryan is one of those guys that's a specialist. And, you know, he tapped a lot.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2734.22

I mean, tapped BJ Penn in like 10 seconds. He's tapped a lot of guys. When he gets a hold of you, you're in this complex web of transitions and techniques that if you're just a regular MMA fighter who trains jiu-jitsu three times a week, you're not going to know what he's doing.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2867.573

That's amazing. Ryan has had a ton of surgeries, hasn't he?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2873.078

What is wrong with him? What's going on?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2891.949

What was that?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2896.891

What did he get done to his hip?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2900.302

I'm not sure.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2903.183

Someone just fell on him. So was he training with someone else and someone else fell on him?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2917.468

When you were training, did you do any weightlifting just to sort of supplement it to keep your joints strong and your...

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

2980.865

He didn't weight train at all? No.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3006.641

What?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3012.004

Why would you ever get on a bike with no brakes? You control it.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3029.295

Oh, what?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3036.26

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of in my life. This is something only white people would figure out.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3047.846

Oh, five ways to stop on a fixie. How about don't get a fixie? Get brakes, you fucking idiot. This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life. Why wouldn't you have brakes? Why wouldn't you have an option to control the bike better?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3066.754

Yeah, look at all the white people. All white people. Ridiculous white people. They'd be doing backflips with skateboards. This is a big New York thing. Of course it is. They like suffering over there. That's why they all live jammed on top of each other. That's so stupid. There's no good videos on that. That's a stupid thing. There's a movie I've seen. That's why I don't know about it.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

308.639

Is this him? He's already a black belt here.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3099.565

Yeah.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3147.97

Okay, that makes me feel better that you could just skid. Yeah, you could skid.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3165.629

Dude, I learned how to foil two years ago. And it took me like three hours to get on that fucking thing for the first time because I've never surfed. You were on an e-foil? Yeah, e-foil. Took me forever. Just kept falling down, getting back up, falling down. Meanwhile, my kids, my youngest at the time, she was 12, humiliated me. She just hopped on it instantly and was scooting around.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3187.222

She knew how to do it immediately. But she wakeboards. She does a lot of that shit. She's really athletic. But she was just humiliating me. And I was just like, I'm going to figure this out. For hours. I kept falling down and getting back up, falling down, and eventually I got it. And then once I got it, it was like easy. Once I got it, I was like, oh, I see.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3236.216

You're just riding hydrodynamics. Are you getting towed in to these waves?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3252.229

So beautiful.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3253.59

And what's the benefit of that above surfing? Is that you're above the water?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3266.399

Yeah, I get that on the eFoil. When you get cooking on the eFoil, you're above the water. It's wild. I always feel like I'm going to fall. I'm going to fall. I'm going to fall.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

3275.464

As soon as I get above the water, I'm like, okay, we're going too fast. You're going to wipe out.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

330.014

Now he's fully controlling.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

332.238

But most of the time he's scrambling.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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That's hilarious. With foiling.

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How many other people are foiling like they're training for a world championship activity?

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Interesting.

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So in stand up fighting, that would be like footwork and angles. It'd be similar to that because the most important thing about any kind of combat sport in terms of striking sports is to be in a better position to land a shot and be in a better position to defend.

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Do you think that a huge, well, it had to be a huge factor for you that you were sort of forced to reevaluate the way you interface with life when you became famous because of the film at 15. So childhood chess player, become very well recognized, then all of a sudden this movie, and now you have to kind of like grapple with things. And as you said, these challenges make you a more complex person.

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And then your ability to sort of push chess aside and try other things. Do you think that's because of that? It has to be a factor in your this desire to explore other things. Because you're kind of thrust into this thing where your thing is now changed. Your thing is now not just flowing and learning and getting better and doing battle with chess.

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Now it's image and groupies and this bizarre thing that you're living up to and you don't like it and you want to escape it. And so you have to reevaluate. And so this forced reevaluation from a young age at 15 years old, this key developmental period as a young man,

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sort of opens you up to the possibilities of all sorts of different ways of living life and all sorts of different things to do with life.

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So if you're fighting southpaw to orthodox, you always want to make sure that if you're southpaw, your foot is on the outside of your opponent's leg. That way your opponent has to kind of cross over, try to hit you, but you're in a position to hit them on the blind side. And the best ever at that is Vasily Lomachenko.

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They don't know that vibe. They don't know what it's like. They don't know the beauty of jiu-jitsu. I feel like jiu-jitsu is beautiful for people who practice it. You see Marcel is a great example, your coach. You know, Marcelo is probably one of the most beautiful guys to watch because he just takes advantage of these scrambles in this like really beautiful way, like fast and slippery.

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Because Lomachenko, when he was young, his father made him stop boxing for two years and just study Ukrainian dance. Really? Mm-hmm. So for two years, he just did Ukrainian dance. Have you ever seen him box? No. Oh, my God. Pull up a Lomachenko highlight. It's all about movement and position with this guy.

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Did you have any sort of out of body experience or anything while you were gone?

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It's all about when you punch, he's going to make you react this way, and then he's going to go that way, and then he's going to spin sideways and he'll be behind you. So this is Lomachenko. The way he moves is so different. It's almost like... It's almost like he's got just a radar for where their punches are coming from and knows exactly where to put his feet at all times.

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Were all the people there the same people?

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Isn't it fascinating that sometimes, again, it's the same thing. It's like loss propels you to a next level. Even... the moment in life where you realize it all could just go away like that. So fucking fast, instantly. So fast. No warning, just gone.

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Did you learn from other people who do Wim Hof breathing when they swim?

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No, before. Oh, yeah.

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I think other people have done that and died.

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The ocean is such a fascinating thing. It's so alive. It's just a strange thing when you get in the ocean, if you haven't been for a while. You climb in, and you feel it moving around you and pulling, and the water just feels different. It feels like it's a living thing. Like you dunk your head under, and you look at this world that's three-quarters of the surface of the earth.

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And it's so vibrant. And you see people that are surfers that just get drawn into its spell. And it just becomes a part of their life is to ride that energy and to feel it. And the addiction that they get from it. Guys like Laird, now guys like you. I know so many people that they, like Jocko, he won't leave San Diego. He doesn't even want to be in California. But San Diego is the ocean for him.

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He has to be by the ocean.

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I know you're in favor of optimizing training and finding ways to learn things quicker. Would wave surf pools, those crazy ones like Kelly Slater style wave surf pools, that would give you way more reps, right? If you're surfing, for sure.

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No matter what they do, he knows what they're going to do. But when you watch his footwork, it's the most extraordinary thing because his ability to give you all sorts of different reads, incredible. I mean, he won a world title. I think it is fourth pro fight. Unbelievable amateur record. But it's just the movement. He's never right in front of you. He's always off to the side.

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That's interesting.

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Psychologically. That's interesting because they're accustomed to just taking what the ocean gives you.

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The one who can adapt. Yeah. Yeah. The low rep training thing with surfing I never really considered, but that does make sense. You have to be able to optimize. You have to be able to take advantage of each one of those things and pick it up pretty quickly.

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Right. Yeah, it totally makes sense. Why do you think that children learn quicker than adults?

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He's always moving around. He jumps in and out. And it's with perfect precision. A lot of times when guys do a lot of footwork and movement, there's points in that transition where they're off balance, where they can't really throw a punch, or their footwork is out of position, or they're leaning too far over on this side. He's never off balance. He's never out of position.

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He's always slide to side, pop, pop, slide to side, pop, pop. And you never know where the fuck he is. He's a magician. It's fascinating to watch him fight. And very few people have tried to incorporate that. Like you see some of his movement. It's just the way he's able to fool the best fighters in the world and just have a level of movement that they just don't really understand what to do with.

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Yes.

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Well, we won't know until it happens, and we will become a different thing. We will have to admit that we are no longer the apex intelligence on the planet. We will have something that's akin to an artificial life form that's far superior to us in reasoning, access to resources, logic. It'll be far more technically proficient. It'll make far better versions of itself probably pretty quickly.

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They've already seen AIs duplicating itself. It's not being prompted to do this.

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It is happening, but it hasn't completely transformed life yet. It's emerging right now. It's about to. Yeah, it's a god. It's a god that's emerging. And if it's not a god yet, it'll be a god in 50 years. It's going to be attached to quantum computing. It's going to figure out ways to implement better strategies as far as utilization of energy resources.

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It'll be much better at everything than we are. And then the question is, will it be used to manipulate us? Will it be used to control populations? Elon says his estimation is there's an 80% to 90% chance it'll have a radically positive impact on society at large. 90% likelihood that it'll radically improve the quality of everyone's life.

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But then there's 20 or 10% that it will not and that will be imprisoned. It's like 10% possibility of the matrix. 90% possibility of a technologically inspired utopia. Yeah.

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They get baffled by it because everything is coming from different angles. It's never I'm charging straight forward at you trying to destroy you. Everything is angles and movement.

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That's a very logical perspective. Unfortunately, we are in a race, and that's where it gets weird, right? Because we're not just in a race in America. We're in a race internationally. And the consequences of losing the race are grave.

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It's akin to the consequences of losing the Manhattan Project, of not coming to the bomb the first, not being the first to implement a bomb, which is really crazy to think. But I think it's that on steroids. I think it's the Manhattan Project on steroids because I think it has the – if used in the wrong way, it has the possibility of completely imprisoning society.

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All you'd have to do is lock down resources, food, power, electricity, everything, and you put society at a complete halt. If you can figure out a way to completely disable grids and every car has a computer in it now. Most cars are connected to Wi-Fi. Most new ones have at least an option to connect it. There's a way that someone can connect to your car. And this is crazy.

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Oh, it's incredible in anything. In anything. When you watch someone who's just unbelievably extraordinary and unique in whatever their discipline is, it's always fascinating to watch. This episode is brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. We're all just trying to level up, right? I'm always trying to push myself, whether it's training, learning something new, or just trying to be a better human.

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In phones, everyone's reliant completely on your phone. There's AI in your phone now. Who knows what could happen if that got hijacked?

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You know, there's a guy named Robert Epstein who spent a lot of time analyzing what the impact of curated searches can do to presidential elections, to public opinion on things, and that when you're getting a search where you're using Google or some of these search engines, you're getting curated search results there.

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If you look for specific political opinions, political positions, you will get a curated result that is oftentimes skewed in whatever ideology, towards whatever ideology the people that programmed it are aligned with. So if you Google something about Donald Trump, you will have as many negative responses they could possibly throw to the front of the line as

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It will take you page after page after page to find what you're looking for, but you'll be confronted immediately with negative stuff. Now, if you're a person that's in the middle and maybe a person that's undecided in an electoral process, in an electoral race, you can be swayed in a significant manner.

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And he estimates it's as high as 30 to 50 percent of the people that are on the fence that are – sort of undecided voters can be swayed by search result engines, which is kind of crazy. And that's just, you know, an algorithm. That's just something that they've divided.

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This is not like a purposeful changing of narratives in order to implement whatever strategy they think would be the best for them financially, whether it's a central bank digital currency or a social credit score system or something.

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where they could completely control behavior and have your behavior locked up to your bank account, locked up to your ability to make a living, your ability to travel. That's spooky stuff, because that's all AI.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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If AI can be... If someone figures out the best version of AI that can traverse these boundaries that we have with encryption and with grids and computer systems and just completely lock everything down, we're fucked.

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In the hands of broken people.

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Yeah, with a British accent and infomercial.

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Really? When did you make it?

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What did you think at the time?

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Really?

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Good for you.

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I'm on everything but TikTok. TikTok is fucked.

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Watching it happen.

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Well, that's a very rational perspective. Let's just fucking do it though.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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You have to change the whole way they interface with life. And that's a big ask. It's not as simple as logically social media is bad for you, I'll stay off. The small dopamine hit that you get from opening up reels, just scrolling through and seeing people get knocked out and car accidents and big boobs, that is, for whatever reason, much more compelling than the idea of...

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Possessing autonomy and the idea of having the ability to completely remove yourself from the thing that everyone's addicted to, which is likes and engagement and getting an outrage. The algorithm showing you things over and over again that outrage you.

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It's so compelling to people and we're so averse to being bored that at any time when nothing's going on, you pick up your phone, you start scrolling. At any time, you just get nonsense just fed into your head at any time.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Once it's attached to quantum computing, it literally would be a god. Yeah. We're about to experience the most bizarre transition that I think any human civilization has ever experienced. It's electricity times a billion. It's computers times a billion. It's something completely different.

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and we're going to adapt to it we're going to have to we're going to have to figure it out it's just what will that be like what will life be like when we adapt to it that's what things that's when things are going to get strange i think the 80 to 90 improvement of of life experience i think what he's talking about quality of life experience i think what he's talking about is

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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it'll make allocation of resources much more efficient. It'll be much easier to get water and health services to third world countries. It'll be much easier to keep power on in places. It'll be much easier for people to get sanitation, medicine, things along those lines.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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And then starving, poverty, nutrition, all those things could probably be worked out in a far more efficient and a far more effective way. Then the problem is control. That's the problem. The problem is human beings. Every single government, every single leadership position, everything involves control. The CEO controls the company. The president controls the country. There's Congress.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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There's senators. Control, control, control. Everything is control and then financial benefit from that control. That's where it gets scary because whoever is actually programming this thing, as we've seen with Google's AI disaster, when they programmed their AI to show you images of Nazis and it showed you multicultural, multiethnic, multiracial Nazis. Instead of actual, like, what is it?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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No, Nazis with fucking dueling scars on their face. Hard-looking, scary German dudes. That's Nazis. These are not Nazis. This is a fever dream. This is some nuttiness that you've put your DEI nonsense into an artificial version of what the past is. That's crazy. You can't do that.

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Because if you start doing that with everything else, then we have a distorted version of reality itself by the most potent intelligence that we currently have at our disposal. And that's nuts.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So what do you think happens with all these people that lose their jobs? Because most people believe that some form of universal basic income, people that study this, believe that some form of universal basic income is inevitable and necessary. Right.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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I worry about that psychologically because I worry about people being dependent upon checks from the state and not having agency and not having a personal sense of worth. I think people identify with what they do. If someone's a great mechanic and they have a great relationship with the people that bring their cars to them and they – They enjoy being able to fix things and help people.

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They identify with this. This is a part of who they are. They're a person who fixes cars and works on cars. If that's gone and now all of a sudden they just have a check, who are they?

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Well, it depends on the dude. Some people learn new things. Some people get excited. There's going to be people that take advantage of it in a very positive way. If there's a real living wage that you get from the government where you really don't have to worry about your housing anymore, you don't have to worry about your food.

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I mean, I think that would be, if you were an ambitious person, that would be amazing. So then you could dedicate yourself entirely to what you love, whatever that thing is, and just really dive into that and let that become your focus in life.

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And we're accustomed to believing that survival itself is the primary driving force, food and shelter is the primary driving force for this intelligent species of human beings. But part of me says, why? Why is that? Why does that have to be your driving force?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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If we have unlimited resources, which assumingly we will with AI if it's implemented correctly, we have unlimited resources in terms of your ability to never worry about being hungry, never worry about shelter. You would hope that what people would do then is pursue their dreams. But some people don't have fucking dreams.

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Some people, they've gone too far down this journey of life with a rigid mindset and a very limited perspective. And now they're forced to change. And many will change, but many will not.

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So they have more options. It's like having a language and you have an access to a larger vocabulary.

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And that's where it gets weird because then you have a whole entire class of society, an enormous swath of human beings that are addicted to TikTok that now get checks, have no hobbies or interests, live off garbage food, and they're lost.

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And they're being told probably they're being manipulated, that someone's responsible for this, that these people need to be taken down and shut down. We need to return to our old way of life. You give enormous potential for for unrest.

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Yeah, I think that that's right. Yeah.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Well, I think people certainly, if universal income becomes ubiquitous, we're certainly going to need some sort of guidance. We're certainly going to need something that guides people towards a feeling of relevancy, towards a feeling of purpose. You've got to give people something. Training is a beautiful thing to do. Yes, any kind of training, anything where you're learning something.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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But again, it comes to this comfort thing. You and I have very similar paths in life in that we've sought things that many people find uncomfortable and difficult. And I think there's great value in uncomfortable and difficult things and in the beginner's mindset and the learner's mindset because there's just – You learn more about everything by learning about something.

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And I've lived my life like that and so have you. And there's many people out there that resonate with these ideas. And they also live their life like that and they get excited. But there's many people that don't. And those are the people that I really worry about. The people that just want a good job where there's nothing wrong with that.

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There's nothing wrong with wanting a good job and being able to take care of your family and having a place where you enjoy working and being able to go there every day. And when that's taken away from people and they have to kind of restructure the entire way they interface with reality. And then there's this bizarre connection with the government now where the government is now your provider.

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It's not just for the people, by the people. It's not representative of the people. It's now your provider, which is a very strange relationship to have. And we see it in welfare states, which I think social safety nets are very important. I think if we're going to be a compassionate society, we need to be able to take care of people that aren't doing well because a lot of life is about fortune.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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And when the opponents react, he reacts in the other way. It's all just technique and flow. It's like, ah. Like the first time I ever saw him, I saw him live in 2003 in Abu Dhabi. And it was when he fought Shaolin. That was the first time I'd ever seen him in the flesh. Shook him out in like eight seconds. Oh, my God. This is crazy. But no one even knew him.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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And sometimes people run into horribly unfortunate situations and there's massive potential in those people. And those people can realize that potential if they're helped. And I think that's real too. But I do think there's a certain psychological aspect to having the state take care of all your food and money and resources and housing that all of a sudden, who are you?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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And what do you do to give yourself meaning if you're not the type of person that seeks out difficult things and you're 45 or 47 years old or whatever you are and this is happening to you? And you feel lost. Like, there's going to be a lot of people like that. And throughout history, terrible times have been very cruel to people who weren't prepared.

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And I worry about it almost like an intellectual famine. you know, like a psychological famine, that people will be deprived of the thing that they have rested their hat upon, like their identity, who they are, what it means, their sense of purpose, that it will be pulled away from them.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Well, that's where Eddie Bravo had a pretty significant contribution to jiu-jitsu because he was so creative in some of his attacks and some of the things that he developed, particularly off his back. Like the rubber guard variations, they were so systematic and so...

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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That scares the shit out of me, especially when I know how many people get addicted to drugs and how many people get addicted to all sorts of weird lifestyle choices to provide them with some dopamine or some rush or some just something that makes them feel like they're alive.

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If you got good at it, it was surprising to anybody who didn't understand what you were doing because they didn't know these positions well. There's this kid named Jeremiah Vance who's one of Eddie's best guard players, and there's a highlight reel of his submissions off of his back, his rubber guard submissions.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Right. People love to think that way. They fucking love it. It gives them a nice little out in their accomplishments. It gives them a nice little excuse for why things haven't gone their way.

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Don't do that.

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So when you work with people, and I know a big part of what you do is help organizations learn. How do you instill these ideas in people? Do you have a structure that you follow when you go to work with people? Do you try to see what they do?

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You've worked with fighters?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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And if you don't have a person that you train with, if you train at a traditional school and you don't understand these positions, you don't know how good someone can be at it, there's times where you don't think you're vulnerable where you're incredibly vulnerable.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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So it's completely dependent upon the individual and their approach initially.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Is there a benefit to that, just to expand your repertoire?

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The difference between a really good guard player in MMA, like Paul Craig, for example, he submitted some of the best two world champions off of his back in the light heavyweight division, Jamal Hill and the current champion, Ankalayev. Ankalayev's only defeat. is to Paul Craig, because he's just wicked off of his back. So everybody feels comfortable.

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Why was it late in your career to take that in?

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So who knows? Isn't it interesting when life takes you on these, or you go on your own journey and you realize that decisions that you've made that have turned you in one way, like those are critical decisions if you think of the life that you're living now, is this optimal? If this is optimal, then yes, it's good. that you moved away from chess.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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But if you had gotten that coaching when you were younger, and it reignited your love of chess, then it would be good for the life that you currently have. Because you would say, well, as a person who's just so in love with chess, I'm so grateful that I ran into this person when I was 11 years old, and they sent me in this correct path. Yeah, I mean, absolutely.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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That's interesting. That's great. That must be very satisfying to teach people how to get better at things.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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In MMA, there's only a couple guys like Oliveira. You've got to really watch your P's and Q's. There's a few guys that are just wicked off of their back, but no one's like Paul Craig. And so if you're just used to fighting regular guys off of their back, and you get in guard...

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Right. Yeah.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Well, you have to really understand someone psychologically to be able to coach them as well. Yeah. Because sometimes you don't know like what the hitch is until you run. You're like, oh, there it is. So this is your whole problem with your whole life.

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And you get a little cocky, you extend an arm to try to land a punch, and then all of a sudden his legs are wrapped around your fucking neck. And you're like, oh, Jesus, how did this happen so quick? Because he's just got that technique. It's just so tightened up. It just locks it up so fast.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

7656.623

That's the thing about people that are really amazing at something. The pain of losing is so devastating to them. Yeah. When you talk about genius, people use Michael Jordan as an example. Genius basketball player, but unbelievably competitive. Yeah. Just can't help himself. In everything. In everything.

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I've heard if you beat him at pool, he won't talk to you for two weeks.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Competitive in everything. Everything.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Right. Right, that you have a Ferrari engine and you're trying to navigate 30 mile per hour traffic. And you're like, fuck.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Right.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

777.089

It's fascinating to watch the difference between a really good guard player and someone that's just a regular MMA fighter who knows how to do a triangle but really doesn't have the elaborate setups. In many ways, that's in a large scale what Hoyce was doing back in the day. Sure. No one had any idea what was going on.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

7774.346

Well, there's also a problem in when someone becomes very good at doing something and they have a very specific way they've become very good at doing something. They assume that this is the way and that this is the way for everyone and that they can impose their way on other people.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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And what led them to become great in the first place is also that hubris that makes them think they could take Bobby Fischer and make him even better.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Yeah, and that's what's very important is finding the right coach. You have to find a coach that understands you and has a style that you can implement because there's some coaches that just have styles that physically you're not designed for. You can't learn the way they learned.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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That's what's fascinating about you is that you've gone from being this hyper competitor to teaching people or coaching people to find the very best version of themselves and how to acquire that. That's very rare that someone who gets really good at something also becomes really good at showing people how they can get better at things. Like that's a specific focus that you've had.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Like why is that so rewarding to you?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Well, there's a good argument for it with the gi with young guys.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Yes.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Yeah, talk about a real motherfucker. Well, just fascinating that he learned this by being a sword fighter. Yeah. What is the best way to be a sword fighter? You can have no bullshit in your mind, so you must be balanced. And his approach was, you must be an artist. You must be a poet. You must be a warrior.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Yeah.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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You must be in tune with all of your feelings and all of your senses and everything about you and to do everything correctly. Do all things.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8243.737

Right. There's no room for 62 men. Yeah. In one on one combat.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

825.143

Yeah, ripping knees apart where they're not going to be able to be repaired. I mean, how many people have ruined their knees forever from a heel hook? A large number. I would imagine if there's any technique that's ever ruined an athlete's career, the heel hook would probably be number one.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8294.048

My fear is that there's so many of us, probably even people that are listening to this right now, that have never developed that aspect of their life. And it's very difficult to get started on that path once you've been on this path of complacency and comfort. It's very hard for people to sort of embrace this new way of thinking and interfacing with reality.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Yeah.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Not doing it and knowing that you didn't do it. Yeah. That's hard. That's not good for you.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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If you let that part of you, when you're 40 seconds in, you're like, let's get the fuck out now. If you let that part win, you'll feel terrible for the rest of the day. But if you just hang in there for two minutes and 20 seconds more, you'll feel so good. You get out of there like, all right, got this one done.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8415.627

Yeah, it's so hard for people to recognize when that's happening as well. Because once people get success, then the fear of losing that success overwhelms them. And then sometimes it's easier to control a person who's been successful because they don't want to let this go. They don't want to go back. They want to move forward.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8434.915

So what do I have to do to make sure that I'm... I mean, you see this in Hollywood. It's a big thing in Hollywood. People panic. when they start doing well and then they align themselves with other people doing well and it kind of changes the way they think and the way they behave because everything is dependent upon you being chosen for things.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8452.946

So your whole life is like wondering what your social status is and how you advance that and hey, what do I have to say? What should I tweet today to make sure everybody knows I'm on the right side and

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8472.077

Yes.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Right.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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In life. I think that thing that you're talking about is very critical, that fear of losing once you've won.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8587.366

Right, they're so used to being cool.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8599.079

Are there any other things that are exciting to you like that, that you think of? Like if one day you can't foil any longer, do you have like an escape strategy?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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That's one of my favorite things to watch is people that are just absolutely engrossed in what they're doing and are fascinated by it and in love with it and on the journey. It's very addictive. It's very inspirational. It gives you something. It's like there's something out of watching people and learning from people that are really, really passionate about something that's so contagious.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8693.277

I've never loved an art more.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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I fucking just love it. Yeah, so you have to live by the ocean. You're fucked.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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You were telling me before we wrap this up, you were telling me about a crocodile encounter.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Crocs are actively trying to eat you. Sharks, a lot, I mean, there's a lot of people that believe that sharks are attacking people because the people are where the sharks are and they don't want the people there. Yeah. You know, like when they're interfering with their hunting grounds and they attack people in that regard. I've heard people say that and I'm like, ooh, that kind of resonates.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

881.963

Oh, no. You didn't even know how to grapple. I didn't know anything. He put you in a heel hook. That's so awful.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8813.024

That makes sense. But crocodiles are different. They're just hunting everything. And if you're there, you're on the menu. They're hyper aggressive. They're very different than alligators, which are also very dangerous. But crocodiles are significantly more dangerous and more aggressive.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8863.437

What's the language? Murder, kill, eat. I don't know. That's the language.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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I do not believe that's true. I think they are the waste management of the ocean and of the ground. I mean, they are there to make sure that anything that slips, anything that gets too close, anything that fucks up, it doesn't pay attention to the ripples in the water, that's a meal. They clean up. They're the cleaning crew.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8888.757

They make sure that there's no weakness in the system and they devour and they live forever. That's the crazy thing. It's like the ones that they spotted in the early journeys when they were talking about like there's talks of 40 foot plus crocodiles probably were real because crocodiles don't die of old age. They don't have like a 20 year lifespan. They just keep growing.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

89.515

No one knew of him other than, you know, he was obviously I think he was a brown belt at the time. I don't even think he was a black belt. I think Marcel might have been a brown belt. That's interesting. I didn't... In 2003. Find that out. Was Marcelo a brown belt when he won Abu Dhabi in 2003? He may have... Eddie Bravo was a brown belt when he tapped out Hoyler.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8913.465

And if a crocodile lived before people had guns and, you know, they weren't on the menu, and you've got to imagine they could live hundreds of years, hundreds of years eating deer and wildebeest and anything that fucked up, antelopes, anything that fucked up, anything they can get a hold of, and they just keep growing.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8933.275

They could be enormous, enormous, enormous super predator dinosaurs that live amongst people. Yeah. I have a friend of mine who's a professional hunter, Jim Shockey. And he was flown to Africa because this particular village was being targeted by crocodiles. So they hired hunters to hunt these crocodiles. And while he was there, he said, everyone you would meet had a chunk taken out of them.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

8961.03

People were missing hands. Some people were missing feet. And while he was there, one of the women in the village got taken. And they would set up these posts in the water so that the crocodiles couldn't get through to this one area where they would gather water and wash clothes and do things. The crocodiles had figured this out.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

897.052

So then that's how it all began. Well, Hoist was brilliant in wearing the gi because it made people grab it. Yeah. They thought they had an advantage that he had something to grab. And next thing you know, he's like – Clinched around you and dragged you to the ground.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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So they went onto the shore and then they would go into the water where the posts are and wait for them.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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Yeah.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

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I think you're correct. Yeah. I think you're correct. I think it's going to be an incredibly challenging time in history and one that I don't think the brightest amongst us can truly predict the outcome of.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

9117.519

Really. Amazing advice. Yeah. That's my pitch. Thank you, Josh. It was a lot of fun. I really appreciate it. This was great. Yeah, I was really excited to do this and really happy to meet you. So I really appreciate you. Awesome, Jim. Thanks for reaching out. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody. Can't find him on social media. Don't look. Bye.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

914.403

Right. And they didn't understand that all that friction from the gi was going to make it very difficult for you to get out of anything.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

924.406

That changed the whole world, didn't it? Oh, my God. Changed the whole world. Changed what street fights look like. Changed everything. Those first UFCs were just...

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

935.37

wild nuts wild just the bizarre the first UFC I worked was UFC 12 yeah in Dothan Alabama yeah I had to take a propeller plane I had to fly into I think we flew into Birmingham or somewhere and then we had to take a propeller plane to Dothan I was like what am I doing this is so ridiculous but I wanted to just see it live because I'd only seen it on television I'd only seen it

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

960.826

I'd never seen a live cage fight before. I'm like, this has got to be crazy.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

968.528

Well, it was 97, so it was four years later. Four years later.

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

974.57

Yeah. Everybody was like, what are you doing? Don't be associated with this. So many people were telling me not to be associated with it. It was like I was doing snuff films or something. It's like, why are you doing this? You're an actor. I was like, okay. I don't know what to tell you. I like it. I want to go watch. I needed to see it. Were you training at that point?

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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin

997.318

Yeah, I'd already started doing jiu-jitsu. I started jiu-jitsu in 96. You were training at Hickson's then, right? Started at Hickson's, and then I went from Hickson's to Carlson Gracie's. I didn't know. I thought all Gracie's were the same. Like, oh, this Gracie's closer. I'll go to this Gracie. They all love each other. And I'd also say, yeah, I didn't understand. They were all tooth and...

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1007.988

It's set up by world leaders. It's set up by the media. It's set up by the people who benefit from keeping us divided. Most of us agree on a lot. One of the things you're seeing is like from all these USAID disclosures. is the mainstream media cannot ever say that anything this administration is doing is positive.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1027.941

So even if they find unbelievable corruption, and they've found some really wild shit, like, what was the $4.7 trillion in untraceable money? Oh, yeah, yeah. I sent that to you, right?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1090.124

So it's the treasury access symbol, TAS, is an identification code linking treasury payment to a budget line item, standard financial process. In the federal government, the TAS field was optional for $4.7 trillion in payments and was often left blank, making traceability almost impossible. As of Saturday, this is now a required field, increasing insight into where money is actually going.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Treasury for the great work.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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If a company buys a jet?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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But you're making so much money, you can buy a jet.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Needs you cashed in your meme coin.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1222.595

And it seems like even though it's horrible to do and very unethical to dump it, to pump and dump it, it seems like that's legal for some weird reason. Yeah. You know, because I know that's the turmoil around the Hoctua coin and – That's the fear about the Trump coin. Didn't the president of Argentina do a pump and dump as well, allegedly?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1256.242

He's the guy you do not want investigating your shit coin.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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We were trying to figure out as a way to do it where you don't pump and dump it. Because anybody can kind of make money now, which is so strange. And we're like, we make a JRE coin. What if we didn't dump it? What if we didn't pump and dump it? What would it be for? How can you just do that?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1301.124

Well, Dave Portnoy's been paying attention to all this, and he's been buying coins and tweeting about them and then selling them, and he's been making a lot of money. And he's like, am I going to jail? What is this? Because you're making real money. Didn't he make like a million dollars off of one of them?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1318.211

It reminds me of- He's involved in what? Which one?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1323.675

Well, fill me in, dog.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1336.965

The Portnoy?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1340.867

He's pretty careful. I doubt he did anything illegal. I wouldn't assume so. Also, he's so wealthy, he doesn't have to do anything illegal.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1347.893

But then again, people get fucking crazy greedy.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1353.517

Well, they hang out with other billionaires. That's the problem.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1364.025

If I hang out with Elon Musk, I feel poor. Yeah.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1396.385

Yeah, the arguments good like he shouldn't be able to scan your information But yeah also is there any evidence that he's doing that and here's the other question who else has access to this well Every company has a lot of people have access to this even students that are interns who work in the department have access Yeah, yeah, I think what they're doing is they're they're making an argument and it's a good one right if you have a look if he was evil and

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1422.049

If you do have this evil billionaire who wants to control the world and has access to everyone's credit card and just steals all your money or does whatever. Didn't that used to be Jeff Bezos?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1435.356

Well, they were for a while, but he's just balling. Jeff is just hanging out on his yacht, banging his super hot wife. He's having a good time.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1449.125

I remember when Elon Musk was criticizing him for not working hard enough. I'm like, wait a minute. What is work for? Yeah, $200 billion. I think you can chill. Yeah. When you get $200 billion, then it's time to get that fucking crazy yacht.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1470.282

Yeah, have a good time. I like the way Jeff Bezos is doing it.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1474.446

I mean, but I appreciate the fact that Elon is so psychotic in his drive. It's bizarre, and also in the face of overwhelming hate.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1521.331

The Democrats were different. That was a different kind of a Democrat. That was the kind of Democrat I would vote for right now. I'd vote for Bill Clinton despite all the blowjobs and all the crazy shit. Well, but you weren't involved in that. I think that they all did that. I think you get two types of people who want to be president, pussy hounds and warmongers. I prefer pussy hounds.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1542.245

Well, but you could be both. Yes. You could be Genghis Khan. Yeah.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1548.61

Good use of the pronunciation, Genghis. Well, I'm actually listening to an amazing podcast. I'd love to recommend to everybody because Elon recommended it on X and I've been listening to it. It's fucking great. Fall of Civilizations podcast. They're doing a series on the Mongols right now. Terror in the Steps. And I am listening to it right now. So that's why I'm saying Genghis correctly.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1575.689

They explain where it came from and how it got fucked up over the years of translation into languages that didn't have Cheng. They didn't have a sound. And so Chengis Khan became Genghis Khan, you know, especially when European languages started translating it.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1596.319

Do you know they didn't even fucking know about this whole story until the 1800s? They found a Chinese book, and the Chinese book was written. They thought it was nonsense. They couldn't figure out what it was saying because it was written where the Chinese characters made the Mongol sounds of the words.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1612.114

And so they had to translate it from Chinese to the Mongolian language, and then they realized this was the history of Mongolia. Genghis Khan and the Khan Empire. It's fucking the secret history of the Mongols. It's fucking amazing. This podcast is fantastic.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1642.058

Well, I have a little Asian. I mean, I have like 1% Asian. Really? Yeah. Yeah, 1% Asian, close to 2% African. But I'm from Sicily, my ancestors, and so I think those are the ones that got raped by the Moors. That's in the movie True Romance. Remember? Oh, yeah. Remember that scene?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1675.791

Dennis Hopper.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1678.091

Christopher Walken and Dennis Hopper, right?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1686.633

Fuck that movie's good. That is a great fucking movie.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1772.964

They're all getting on testosterone.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1803.001

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1882.305

I think the problem is they're trying to do it very quickly because they want to get a lot done before the midterms. So they only have 24 months to enact real change. Did you see Kevin O'Leary talking about it on CNN? He was saying they're not doing enough. They should cut more. Because he was talking about it from an entrepreneur's perspective.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1900.735

If you're taking over a failing company that's filled with bloat and waste, and he's like, that is the government. He goes, you've got to cut more. He goes, cut everything. Cut it all out and then find out what's necessary and rebuild it from there.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Because he was saying it on CNN, and CNN, they were like, oh, pennies were in a wad.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1924.207

But the thing about it is they're all united in their message, whether it's MSNBC. I watched MSNBC the other day in the gym. Oh, my God. It was awesome motivation to work out. Because these people looked morbidly obese. And they had this language that they were speaking. It was almost like they were translating from another language. It didn't make sense. It's like, you know, we're in danger.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1948.864

It was the way they were talking. It's like, my people feel like they're in danger, like they're being criminalized. Oh, okay. We're being pushed out of society. We're being told we don't exist. And then, of course, you have to say you're an ally of the LBGTQ+. You have to be an ally. They're digging their heels in on all that stuff, though. That's not going to win anymore. That's too crazy.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1977.518

Even kind, progressive people realize... You know, you've done a weird thing with with women's sports. You've done a weird thing with the safety of women in bathrooms. And it's not to say that some of these people who are legitimate trans people who really do just want to use the women's room and be treated like a woman. That's true, too.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

1996.531

But you open the door for perverts and you're not admitting that you open. You're just allowing guys with beards and hard dicks to wander around the women's room.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

2012.767

The problem is a group, if it's all single bathrooms, that's not economically feasible at like a stadium. And that's where it becomes a problem. And then it's also this like weird cultural line. We're like, which bathroom do you get to use? This is like a thing in Congress, right? Because there's that one trans person in Congress who, by the way, said that they do not want to use the women's room.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

2034.368

So it's not even an issue.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

2068.739

I think it's a problem with a lot of the people that are quote-unquote leftists in general, is that they've been bullied and picked on all their life, and they've been fucked with, and now they have a gang. And now they're going to go fuck with other people.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

2086.838

Yeah. This is a core aspect of progressives right now online, is that when they're tweeting about stuff and when they're posting about stuff, it's very aggressive and very angry and insulting. And that this is their way to demean, whether it's Pete Hegseth or Cash Patel or any of these people that are involved, or RFK Jr., any of these people that are involved, even Tulsi.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

2117.861

It's like the way they're doing it. It's not about policy or agreeing or disagreeing about perspectives or the way they're choosing to govern. It's not that.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

2146.333

It lasted until Elon bought Twitter, really, realistically. Yeah, I think that's fair. If he hadn't done that and they were all controlled by the left, do you think Facebook would have loosened up their grip?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

2156.655

I don't think so.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

2169.599

Yeah, shout out to Jack Machado. Jiu-jitsu changed your mind, man. It'll change who you are. You'll realize there's reality in this world.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

2181.09

He's got a thick neck now. I think that has a lot to do with it because you start looking at things from a more libertarian perspective, from a merit-based perspective. Yeah.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

2205.992

Everybody just live, as long as you're not hurting anybody else with the way you live your life. Exactly. Live your life. If you want to wear a dress, God bless you. Yeah, yeah. God bless everybody. I tell you. Just be nice. And I think most of the people, the reason why they're not nice is because people have been not nice to them. That's that old expression, hurt people hurt people.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

2223.027

And the way to fucking unite us is not to keep hurting people. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

2238.121

I like breastfeed or whatever. There's this one TikTok person who trolls. And I don't even know if it's a biological woman because that's one thing that the trans people are very upset with. There's a lot of like really hot OnlyFans girls that are pretending to be trans and they put like a fake...

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dick in their underwear no oh yeah yeah yeah and they're like super hot and so the actual trans people are very upset and get ready for this their argument is my identity is not a costume for you to wear like wait a minute hold on a second hang on because That's a real woman, bro. You're already doing that with her. She's just got a rubber dick in her pants for money. There really is no.

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So this one lady who's like, I think it's a lady. I think she's a lady who's a troll. And she said that she went to some country and got a chromosome change and a uterus installed and now she's pregnant. And she like... I just read the comments and people are fucking going crazy. It's a bunch of sub-90 people, IQ people in the comments just fucking having strokes. That is the best part.

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When somebody throws some shit out there and people buy into it, right?

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Me and Jamie have to sort out what the fuck is real now. It's so hard to tell. I see things from myself that aren't real. I saw me doing, or I didn't see me. I heard my voice over some narration of something, of some TikTok story. And I was like, I never saw this. This is not me saying this. It's all done through AI. I'm like, this is crazy.

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You know, I guess now with video as well, you know, if you wanted to have a podcast video of me doing something.

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Yeah, it's pretty wild now that, I mean, we have a little bit of a problem where a bunch of people are selling like cheap things online and using my voice and we have to get them removed.

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But that's just, you know, that's just opportunists that are taking advantage, you know, I'm selling protein powders that I've never seen before, all that kind of shit.

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They're doing that with my voice.

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I think it's going to get to a point where it's impossible to tell. I think that's not far away. I think we're there, honestly.

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I like the ones that are, they're obvious. They're really good, but they're obvious fakes. Like, did you see the one with Kamala Harris after she lost the presidency? She's wearing a bikini top, walking with a beer. It says unemployed. Yeah, yeah. That's good. But it's obvious that it's not real. Yeah. So it's okay.

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Like, the ones where Trump's playing the guitar, and then there's all these other people, like Putin's in the background with the drums. Have you seen that one?

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Is it because they're too wide? Is that why you don't want to ride one leg on the other side?

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Yeah, the one with Trump playing guitar, I think they're doing, it's Fortunate Son, right? It is, right? I think it's on my Instagram, right?

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It's so good, and it's obviously fake.

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That's why I like it. It's not tricking me, but I'm like, wow, that's really good.

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What was it about his speech in particular that was offensive?

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So tell everybody what you were doing in the Middle East because it's pretty crazy. Oh, thank you.

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So he made the anti-immigrant content.

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They're not doing it because they genuinely think this is a moral and ethical thing to do. They're doing it because they sense an uprising.

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so he's not it's not going to happen for him um so i think yeah they're rightly not rightly but they are concerned about uh their own political power that's that's what it is and that's what people need to understand science it's not that the europeans are the kinder more progressive no this is like they understand that it's coming yeah and they want to do everything they can to stop it because most people are fed up most people just want to be left the alone yeah

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And if you tell them that they can't put a flag meme on one of their Facebook pages or they get arrested, which is what happened in Germany.

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That's the thing. The citizens say, this is the way we want our government to talk.

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But we definitely are hated in Canada right now.

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They were booing the national anthem so hard. They get in three fights in the first nine minutes. Yeah. And then we kick Canada's ass. Sorry, Canada. In Canada, which is not good because that's their fucking sport. That's basically their only shot at beating us at anything.

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Curling. They might be able to win at that. If we practice it, we'd be better at that, too. Yeah. They make great mixed martial arts fighters. One of the greatest of all time, George St. Pierre is from Canada.

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But after that.

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Get your football team. Come fuck with America.

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Yeah, they have strong beer.

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It's just they're too nice and they let communists run their country. And that guy's a communist.

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He told me on the phone he was serious. At first I was joking around, but then I was thinking maybe it's not a bad idea. Now I think he keeps talking, refers to him as Governor Trudeau. It's so funny.

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Netanyahu's like, what in the fuck did I get into?

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That's a good point, and something that maybe a lot of people aren't aware of, is that the wall on the side of Egypt is way bigger than the wall on the side of Israel. That is an impenetrable wall that's heavily guarded. They do not want Palestinians coming into Egypt, which is kind of crazy.

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Right. So they got to guard their investment.

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They're also talking about rebuilding it themselves. They're like, we'll do it. We'll do it. Just back off.

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We'll take care of it. Which is great. And that's when they have to say Hamas can't be a part of it.

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How much do you get paid?

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There's also a problem with the reality of the region at this point, right? It's like what do you want to happen to that area because someone has to rebuild it. Look, absolutely Israel shouldn't have done what they did and kill who knows how many innocent people and literally destroy most of the buildings there. We all can agree that's a horrible thing, but it's done. So now what?

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Right.

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Everything is gone.

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Going to turn it into the Mediterranean of the Middle East. This looks like a demolition site. So let's clear it out. The real question is if that doesn't – okay, then what? Then what? If you don't want that to happen, then what? If the United States doesn't take it over or who should and what do you do with it? And how do you get the money to rebuild it? And where does it come from?

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And how do you do it? Who do you bring in to rebuild it? Who governs it? How does that work? Who gets what building? How does it work? It's a very complicated thing when you destroy an entire fucking city. See if you can find some of that overhead footage, Jamie.

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Look at this footage. This is unbelievable. I mean, this looks like they got hit with an asteroid.

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It's unbelievable, the scope of it. It's just insane. Yeah. It's insane to see.

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yeah dave smith had a very good take on this he was on one of those pierce morgan everybody yells at everybody panels which are really fun for about five minutes but let me uh send jamie what dave said because dave had in my opinion the best take on this where it's like you you see you're like okay yeah that's that's correct this is uh This is the way to look at it, I think.

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Yeah, click the one I sent. It's probably the same one.

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But even as extreme as that?

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That's the thing.

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How much supplies did you bring? Did you have a supply camel?

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But but we were justified based on a lie, which is even crazy because they use that justification and went after a group of people that had nothing to do with it. Right. based on a lie of weapons of mass destruction, which is even crazier, right? We went to a completely different country.

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Well, they probably never expected this. Yeah, I don't know. There's no way they would have done October 7th if they expected this response.

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But you think it's necessary?

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So imagine a world without that.

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So if that is a vacuum and we stop doing that entirely altogether, does that vacuum get filled up by another power? Yeah.

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This is the best case scenario perspective. Worst case scenario perspective is that these policy changes that we are initiating and that we are influencing is for corporations to make more money. It's to control resources and to control areas and to make things friendlier for business. That's the worst case scenario. This is done in a mercenary fashion. But is that the Chinese regime?

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When you do have the ability to control other regimes, isn't it

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almost it doesn't it almost logical that you are you're going to need a lot of money and you're going to need a lot of influence to do that and so there's going to be a bunch of people say actually we could use some of those minerals actually you know that natural gas is very valuable actually if we could destabilize russia's energy systems and you know pump up ukraine's and control it

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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That'd be pretty good. And so then we start initiating things and we start the coup in Ukraine in 2014 and a bunch of different things. We started helping things along that would benefit us both geopolitically, but also geopolitically in the sense that like you're controlling the geology of the land, which is the real term geopolitical, right?

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Jesus, you'd have to bring several camels just to carry your food and water. Yeah, no, it's exactly right. There's no water out there, right? No, no.

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That's the real term, right? Doesn't it have to do with like controlling regions?

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But then it's also national self-interest that's kind of prostituted by corporations. This is what people are worried about is that we engage in certain activity that's avoidable simply for profit. Right. Yes, absolutely. I don't think there's any doubt about that. I think, look... It's just what happens when you have a system like this, right?

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When you can influence foreign governments and you do have enormous amounts of resources and you do have the ability to change things and install a government that's more friendly to... But if you're not going to do that...

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Are they getting water from the ground, or are they getting water from, are they bringing it in?

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Based on your experience overseas and your understanding of how these things are done is that if we don't do something, if we don't act in some way to influence these governments and control these regions and do whatever we can...

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to make sure that our interests are being That we that we are the ones that are kind of directing the way things go right I would rather be directing how things are going than not and And those are the two options those I think those are the two I'm just good We're not gonna live as a community of nations.

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Well, there's a lot of people listening that probably come to that conclusion. Yes, I think you're right. Yeah, but this is the reality of that job, right? And this is the reality of international relations.

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Well, why would you say something that's objectively true? I have no idea.

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Right, but when you're doing it publicly, that's not what you're doing.

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You're kind of pretending that we're different than what we are.

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So I'm sure you've seen Mike Ben's take on USAID and what USAID was really all about. And his perspective is that it's for everything that's too dirty for the CIA. He's saying USAID.

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um do you think there can be a rational argument though that a lot of these things that seem ridiculous like sending all this money to influence the votes in pakistan or in india and then we look at it like why are we spending 21 million dollars on education here and two million dollars there and that these things are actually beneficial to the united states as a whole because even though we're spending exorbitant amounts of money

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The results we're getting is we are maintaining peace by being in control of certain areas where someone else would come over, and then you'd get a regime that's not friendly to our interests.

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I think what the perspective of this administration has stated is that they're going to review all these programs and keep the useful ones.

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And I think they're going to run it through the State Department, right? Is that the idea?

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You mean like the $251 million on transgender animal studies?

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But I think the problem is the people that are opposed to this administration are never going to see the good in anything that comes out, even if it does uncover undeniable fraud. I think we're just so dug in now, especially the fog of war post-election.

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which seems real in this country, this fog of hate on both sides, gloating on the right and bitterness and anger and hyperbole as to the extent of what's happening on the left. It's all a constitutional crisis and a destruction of democracy and a real dictator that's in place. And all the things that they feared coming into this election now have come to light in their eyes.

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Not only is it not necessary, it's counterproductive. It's counterproductive, yeah. And it just fuels the other side. Yeah. It's stupid. It's like this should be a uniting time for our country. Well, again, and you would think that...

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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I know maybe that's his implication, but- I think he's talking about failing companies. Failing companies. When you take over a failing company that's filled with bloat and waste, you cut more out than even you think is necessary, and then you figure out what you need.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Well, isn't what this administration has done is putting a pause on everything? And then they're doing an audit of things and then a review.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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There's the kid who deciphered those scrolls from Pompeii using AI.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Genius. I mean, it's very interesting because the approach is essentially he's mimicking the approach that Elon used at Twitter. Just you're saying, okay, I'm going to cut out 90% of this and see how it works.

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So your perspective is that of course there's waste. Of course there's fraud. But if you don't understand international relations, if you don't understand this – long tradition of supporting regimes that have our interests in mind. If we don't do that, someone else will. They'll gain control of these areas.

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This is just the reality of the world that we live in, and we should be influencing other countries.

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It's not like your review process- How could you review USAID while this is all going on, while they're still able to spend money? Because they're still able to, if there is corruption, if they're still able to dump a bunch of money into a bunch of different projects and funnel stuff around and move stuff into these areas where it can't be traced, which is apparently where at least some of it goes.

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Is there enough time to do that? This is the question. Is this a more time-effective way of confronting the reality of what they're trying to accomplish, which is government efficiency, right? It's the Department of Government Efficiency. We don't believe that the government is efficient. We do see that there's at least some waste and some fraud, but it's not being chased down.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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They're going to chase it down.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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So there's a lot of messaging that you hear online that, you know, you've got to kind of decipher. And one of them is the price of eggs for whatever reason. The price of eggs is a big one that gets bandied about. People need to understand what the price of eggs is all about. One of the things is they killed a lot of chickens during the Biden administration because of this bird flu thing.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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So they killed millions of chickens because the fear is that these chickens are going to hop over to people. And right now I think it's only in geese and ducks. Is that correct? Yeah. Did it move to cattle? I think it has in some cases moved to cattle. But the question is, like, what happens? Is that treatable with antibiotics? Is this overblown?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Like, what is the actual reality of this pandemic, so to speak? This is why egg prices are so high. But then, unfortunately, it becomes a political talking point. And so it's hard to get to the bottom of it because you're just trying to use it to cast blame. So they're trying to blame this administration on the price of eggs. They're fucking up. Regular people are going to starve. Yeah.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5364.441

Well, guess what? It takes a long time for a chicken to be able to grow from a chick to an egg laying. It takes months. Yeah.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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So you're not going to get any discount in eggs anytime soon if they killed millions of chickens, which they definitely did.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5385.785

I had a buddy of mine who went to England and was living over there during the mad cow crisis, and to this day, he can't give blood.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Because it's a prion disease.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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The idea is that if he does have it, what is it called, Jakobs-Kruxfeld disease? I always fuck that up. But what that disease, that prion disease is, is from cattle eating cattle brain tissue, right?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5419.417

Jesus Christ.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Grind them all up and then the cows eat them and get the prion disease and then they're fucked.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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The same thing, which by the way happens to cannibals. It's the same thing with Papua New Guinea, and the cannibals get that same sort of problem where the neurological, their body breaks down. Good God. Yeah, good God.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Did you ever hear the story about Rockefeller's kid? Was it a nephew?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5449.607

Well, he went- Twice. And apparently the first time he went, he insulted them by trying to acquire one of their sacred things. And the second time he went back, they decided to eat him. And they didn't find out about it for a long time. I think he went missing in the 60s. We covered it, Jamie. Do you remember what year it was? I think he went missing in the 60s.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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And now they're pretty sure he was.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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And at least that's what they're saying.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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I think he felt like they just couldn't come to an agreement on whether or not he could take home whatever.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5489.937

sacred object he was trying to get from them I forget what it was but it was something that they would never sell or trade and he was insisting on it and they're like oh fuck this guy and then I think they had some time to stew on it yeah he was gone and then when he came back like this dumb motherfucker's back can you imagine how surprised they were when he showed up again Oh, boy.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Look at Jamie spelling it correctly and everything.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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We're going to eat him. Yeah, they're probably thinking, if he comes back, I'm going to fucking eat him.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5515.957

Well, again, this is, you know, rich liberals. That's what he was. He was a rich liberal who wanted to fix the world and travel around and went into a world that he didn't understand. Like, literally didn't understand. Didn't understand what they were saying. Didn't understand the culture. It was fairly, you know...

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5539.414

Yeah, and also, what a great story when you get back to the university. Oh, yeah.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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I went to Papua New Guinea. He's so interesting. God, he's so interesting.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5548.037

He said, yeah, sure, you should go back to Papua New Guinea. Can you pull up a story where you can see this cat?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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There's photos of this cat, like, with the people.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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So, 62. Hold on. Go back up. It says the first public report that Rockefeller was killed and dismembered. Scroll up. And his long-burn bones turned into weapons and fishing equipment. Yo. Wow. It was published by the Associated Press in March of 1962. The second investigated...

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5578.796

investigation later that year by a patrolman named Wim van der Waal on behalf of Dutch colonial government came to the same conclusion van der Waal was given a skull bearing no lower jaw and a hole in the right temple the hallmarks of the remains that had been headhunted and opened to consume the brains

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which he turned over to Dutch authorities, who never asked him to write a written report and never asked him to verbally report his conclusion. The information was apparently deemed politically sensitive, in part because of the fragile state of the Dutch Empire in the Indonesian archipelago, and in part because of Nelson Rockefeller's political celebrity in the United States.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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The findings of van der Waal's investigation are restated in the written memoir of Anton van der Waal, a successor missionary to Van Kessel. The famous Van Kessel.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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See if you can find photos of that dude. That's crazy. Because there's photos of him hanging out with the people that ate him.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5655.104

There he is. Go to that one right there. No, the third one. The third one. Yeah, that one. Look at that. He's like, I'm going to eat you. Those classic 60s glasses, right?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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He looks such a nerd.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5677.683

What a moron. Well, back in the day, he thought he was being, look at him, soy boy, even back then. Yeah, yeah. Oh, look, look, look. Oh, I'm having such a wonderful time with all of you people.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5692.475

Yeah, you're fucking around in a place you don't understand, and you don't understand that they have a long history of that.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5701.962

Oh, God. What is that? Is that supposed to be him? I don't know. Oh, God.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5710.24

Yeah. What is that image of? Does it say? Michael, that is him? No, no, no, no, no. It says Michael Rockefeller.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Even more fucked up. Like, he already knew they were doing that? Yeah, I know. That's right. Jesus, bro. I'm sure this wouldn't be me. Someone brings out that. Like, hey, check this out. We did that to this guy. Yeah. Like, look at that fucking skeleton. That is so creepy. I got to tell you, they look well-fed. I would worry about that, too.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5741.159

Yeah, that one guy on the right, he's got a big old belly. Yeah. He's just been eating people. Well, a lot of them, they get bloated because of parasites, too.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Tapeworms. 30-foot tapeworm.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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So click on that one where the guys are holding the arrow right below that, right below your cursor. Yeah. Look how fucking terrifying is that. Jeez. Imagine that guy. You show him on the beach and that guy's there.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Yeah, there's a famous story of a guy. They killed his friend, chopped him up, threw his guts on him, and then they gave him, I think, a 30-second head start, and he escaped. He did. He hid in a beaver den. Nice. That's smart. I think this is in Montana. A couple years ago? When was this?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5799.21

Oh, okay. I believe it was the Nez Perce, and I think he hid in a beaver den and made his way naked all the way back to the fort. Okay. I think it was like a couple hundred miles, too.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Michael reportedly told his companions, I think I can make it, and jumped into the water. That was the last time they saw him. Oh, this is when he swam to the shore. In 1961, Michael Rockefeller was traveling to this dangerous area of dense rainforest, mangrove swamps, and crocodile-infested mudflats known as the land of the lapping death, when a small catamaran capsized in rough seas.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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So Michael Rockefeller, a strong swimmer, immediately jumped in the sea and began to swim to shore. But this is the second time, right? This is when they killed him.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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That doesn't show a lot of thought there. Well, he thought he could make it, and he's already visited them before. There was another article that I had read, Jamie, that actually recounted the moment he was killed, that they picked him up in a canoe and speared him in the canoe.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Yeah, the most recent article was like there was some recent revelation, some information that was given to them by the tribe's people about what happened.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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That whole place looks inhospitable.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5932.193

Is that the JFK UFO one?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5943.32

I think maybe they should just release the documents. If you're going to release the documents, release the documents to the people on the internet.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5961.552

I'm hoping that's where the $4.7 trillion went.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

5968.376

It's all these government crashed retrieval programs and re-engineering and back-engineering.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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I could absolutely be wrong, but I think that's what a lot of it is. I think we have some super sophisticated propulsion systems that are way ahead of our time. And then also, I think we're being visited. I think there's a bunch of different things happening simultaneously.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6005.858

Well, it's over how long, though?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6008.44

When they say $4.7 trillion, they don't give you a timeline. That was the thing about Politico, right? There was this talk about, we gave Politico $8 million. Well, sort of. What the real story was, there's a subscription model for Politico where you get news instantaneously, and it costs like $10,000, and there was a bunch of those subscriptions that were in many different agencies. Right.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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And this is over the course of eight years. Like that $8 million was from like 2016 to today.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Well, if you want information instantaneously, which would be very beneficial to someone in government.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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The problem is the way you say it. If you say we gave Politico $8 million, oh, those motherfuckers, that's why they're biased. And then you realize like, oh, that's not exactly what happened. So I think the people that are doing this have to make sure that they're not hyperbolic.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Look at this whole area. There's fucking no green.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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But I think this is important, too, because today now they're talking about Social Security and that people are receiving Social Security that are 150 years old. But I don't think that is the reality as it's being explained by people who understand COBOL. The language and this computer programming language that they use is ancient, right?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Which is kind of crazy that they're still using that, right? It's a government.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6117.53

So some guy who understands it was explaining that if certain – certain factors aren't taken into consideration or certain things aren't entered in, you know, like date of birth or when there's certain things.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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This is tiny parcels of semi-green areas.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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But it doesn't even necessarily mean that all these people are receiving checks.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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oh my God, we're paying dead people. Right, right, right. That's the problem with being hyperbolic. I'm going to send this to you, Jamie, because I was confused myself. And so I was like, what exactly are they saying? Because it seems like the people that understand that programming language are the ones that aren't jumping on board and saying, hey, this is what's happening.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6173.97

Vampires exist amongst us. There's 300-year-old people getting Social Security. That's not what they're saying. The people that actually understand it are saying that's not really the case.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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So I'll send you this, Jamie. This is this guy's explanation of it.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Jamie, zoom back out again.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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So in that, this is a guy that explains it. I'll read this. I hope he's correct. There's a gentleman named House of Carter on X. He said, this isn't a vampire conspiracy. It's just COBOL, C-O-B-O-L. Legacy government systems, especially Social Security, still rely on COBOL, a language designed before anyone thought databases would need to track people beyond 99 years old.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6249.52

The numbers you're laughing at aren't literal ages. They're most likely misinterpreted categorical codes or data artifacts from outdated formatting. Social Security isn't paying 150-year-olds. The system uses fixed-width fields, and when modern databases misread them, they mistakenly interpret grouping codes as real ages.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Like, what happened? So these folks— Doesn't that all look washed out, Jamie?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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This happens when old mainframe logic isn't properly translated into newer systems. So, no, there aren't thousands of people over 150 getting checks, but there are a lot of outdated systems that need modernization, maybe focus on fixing that issue instead of hyping up a non-issue. So, there's multiple people that have said the same kind of thing. Yeah.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6298.161

This guy says, I'm an old programmer, coder in today's parlance. As many old programmers know, COBOL young coders don't. When Musk claims that Social Security is paying thousands of 150-year-olds, I think someone should let him know that COBOL, in COBOL, if a data is missing, if a data is missing, the program defaults to 1875. Example, 2025, 1875 equals 150.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6327.395

So for some reason, if data is missing, the program defaults to this ancient date. And it's just a problem with data.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6336.588

Which makes more sense than 150-year-olds.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6373.276

I just think let's... So this is something to think about with Social Security, though. So there's that, which is probably a misinterpretation of data. Right. And this other one that I just sent Jamie. So there's this woman who's a whistleblower, and she's saying they were incentivized to qualify illegals for long-term disability to qualify illegals for Social Security for life.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6393.689

So they were set for life. And in quote, she says, they wanted us to try to identify them in such a way that they would qualify for long-term Social Security disability. Now, long-term Social Security disability is for life. So if they got identified and qualify for long-term Social Security disability, they're as good as set up for life.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6413.665

That doesn't sound like a refugee to me, she's saying, just being honest. It sounds like someone who's planning on staying here. So they're instructed to try to identify... to try to get the client because once they arrive here, now they're called clients.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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So they told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they had any headaches, reoccurring headaches, or any lower back problems, anything that would qualify them for Social Security long-term disability. Which is crazy. Yeah.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6455.728

Let's listen to this lady talk about this. So this is something that, you know, when people are talking about the problems of Social Security, this seems, if she's telling the truth, this seems real. Right.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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See if you can find that out. I don't even know what that is.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6625.353

That's crazy. God. But what would be the benefit of that? The benefit of that would be you get a voter for life.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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If you are in whatever party, whether it's the Republican Party or whoever it is that allows this to happen and hooks these people up and sets them up, you would think that those people are going to vote that way for life because those are the people that gave them American citizenship essentially, gave them Social Security for life.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6652.805

Like, all you have to do is tell them, look, you get this check for life. All you have to do is keep voting. And you know how to vote. You know the right way to go, right? I mean, don't vote with your fucking conscience. I want you to vote with, you know.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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My take is, if you've got a place that's awesome- and you've got a system that's awesome, expand awesomeness. Don't bring in people that aren't awesome. And don't bring in people from places that aren't awesome. So the problem is, if you bring people in that are criminals and that have a lifelong history of selling drugs and being involved in the cartel, they're not going to come over here.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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They're going to fucking... Continue to do what they've done their whole goddamn life.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6735.305

So like the problem is not that the problem is where you're from sucks Yeah, so I think the best way I mean and I'm not saying we should take over all these countries and run them But the best way now you're talking that's probably the only way that would really work the way to do it is to just somehow or another encourage those countries to become more like the United States and

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6765.968

So I'm trying to look at this from a bunch of different perspectives. This is a very complicated situation. It's not as simple as... you know, we need to stay out of the way of other countries' businesses.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

681.364

Especially soft Americans and Europeans.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6818.815

Do you think they'll be able to do that with USAID? Do you think they'll be able to convince some of these other people that are all these USA First people that don't think we should be spending any money overseas that maybe some of this money is well spent for our best interest?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6838.779

Because it's like, what is... And are you even allowed to say what you're actually doing then? Because how do we discern whether or not... How are you going to tell people that $20 million for Iraqi Sesame Street is actually a really good idea, and here's why? But how are you going to tell them that buying and owning Gaza

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6856.151

I really don't think he's going to do that.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6894.955

Again, that's... Is the idea that we would protect American interests better if we were in control of that? And so, like, if Israel did something, if someone did something, we'd be able to respond in minutes versus in days, right?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6921.048

Build a Trump Hotel.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

6964.059

How do they have those kind of conversations if they don't have Ukrainian representation?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

700.291

Those guys must have leather balls.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7038.774

How much have we allocated?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7042.595

I thought it was way more than that. I thought it was $100 billion where Zelensky said he hasn't received it.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7154.184

When Zelensky says that he hasn't received $100 billion, what does that actually mean? Does it mean it just hasn't gotten to Ukraine yet?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7163.329

It doesn't mean it's missing? No, it's not missing. So this is the thing that people are saying. It's like Tucker Carlson was talking about this, and he was essentially saying that there's a bunch of people that are spending money, and he went to some wealthy ski town, and these Ukrainians, they're all super wealthy, and he thinks that some of that...

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7274.09

understanding or lenient you know and if they're not going to be lenient or understanding for any fraud where people are getting rich off of this right there are people that are getting rich off of this i remember there was one guy that had to resign because it turned out he had somehow or another moved around a billion dollars that he shouldn't have remember that story billion dollars and he's like well i'll just step off and so he kind of went away and he's living on a yacht and

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7298.601

There's these stories and it's so confusing because, you know, we're getting the mainstream media version of what's going on versus boots on the ground. Where is the money actually going? Yeah. What is actually happening? Why did Russia actually invade in the first place?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

734.186

You keep using the W's.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7399.173

That was when you used to get cassettes and CDs in the mail, and you sign up. It was a big hustle with the music industry to sell more copies. And you could never unsign. You could never get rid of it. You could never get rid of it. But it made it look like they had a lot more people buying albums than they were. They weren't really buying them.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

740.291

Have you ever used to say that? People used to say H-T-T-P, colon, back flag.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7419.908

They're getting them from Columbia record and you get like ten of them for a buck Yeah, everybody's like oh this sounds great, and then you get them for regular price afterwards like oh fuck this They'd send you a little cat and you'd check off which ones you want everybody defaulted nobody nobody paid Yeah, it's like all my friends did it. Oh god completely weird scam that went on in the 1980s I

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7440.089

I remember Netflix started by mailing you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember that. And, yeah, you used to get a CD or a DVD in the mail.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7463.064

I wonder what they would, I mean, imagine taking a kid to like 1988 and bringing them to a Blockbuster video. They would walk around and go, what is going on? Well, we don't have the internet anymore. I mean, yet. So this is how you get movies. They'd be like, shut the fuck up. You don't watch it on your phone? Like, we don't even have phones.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7491.564

If you ever showed someone a phone back then and say, someday people are going to jerk off looking at that. Yeah. They'd be like, what are you even talking about? That's the dumbest prediction of all time. That's not in Star Trek.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7517.775

If you had one of them ones that had a little portable one with the cord attached, and you'd hang it up on a desk one, You can bring a long cord if you're lucky.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7532.503

And the cord's always fucking tangled. Spin the headset around to untangle the cord. People don't know.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7558.019

Yeah. And that weird. We used to be able to remember so many numbers. I only know like three or four numbers of my friends by heart. Yeah. You know, your kids numbers by heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And my wife's, and maybe a couple of my buddies that have had, like my friend Eddie's had the same phone, but he's got a new one now. So it's weird that we don't have any numbers in our head anymore.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7599.262

When I give someone my number, I have to go, hold on.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7603.965

I fuck it up.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7611.972

At a certain point in time, you're just getting bombarded by people that you don't want to talk to. And you're like, okay, there's only one way out of this.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7620.12

It's not even the friends you want. It's all transactional. That's the problem. The problem is like you realize... This person only texts me when they want something.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7629.667

And the texts before they want something are bullshit. The say hi texts are bullshit because it's coming.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7636.35

Here comes the thing you want. Yeah. And then that comes. Yeah. I get that from- It's interesting. I've got a startup. Oh, fuck.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7690.981

You won't. If you combine work with anything, even if it's the most awesome vacation, but it's also work, you don't get credit.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7697.285

Oh, you didn't even go out of your life to do this. Yeah. You kept doing the same stuff and then you added a thing.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

771.081

When you see some of the things that USAID fund, does it get you upset that they don't fund things like this?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7722.867

Do you guys have wolves out there in Boise?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7730.813

30 minutes outside of Aspen, my friend has a ranch and they just released wolves there a couple weeks ago. Yeah. And he's already finding, I took a photo of it and put it on my Instagram. He found a dead elk leg. The neighbors spotted the wolves and they're on his property and he has, I mean, they've released them on his ranch.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7749.719

No one let him know. That's the leg we found in the snow. No one told him. And these are big Canadian wolves that they got from BC, by the way.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

777.889

It does me too. It does me too. It's just, come on. Because this is a direct...

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7775.765

Where he lives, it's all ranchers. This is what's crazy. It's like they've released the wolves where the fucking livestock is. What's crazy is they had a mandate to release wolves in Colorado. So the first wolves they released, they got from Oregon, who they took out of areas where they were killing livestock.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7791.115

So they got wolves that were accustomed to killing livestock and then reintroduced them to Colorado where there's livestock. And what do you know? They start killing livestock.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7810.827

Here's another thing my friend said. You can shoot them if you're killing your livestock or if they're killing a working dog. But you can't shoot them if they're killing your pet.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7825.476

Well, in Idaho, you can kill them. In Idaho, they're giving out tags. And they're giving out tags in Montana. And this is what people need to understand. When they first reintroduced them, there was no way you could shoot them. And then it got to a point where they're like, okay, this is not just sustainable. This is a large population of animals that is doing a lot of damage. Oh, yeah.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7843.526

And they do surplus hunting. So in one place in, I think it was Wyoming, they had killed like some crazy number of cow elk, like 15 or 16 of them.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7856.876

They're the only animal in North America, other than coyotes, which are actually wolves too. They're a small wolf.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7862.68

But they're the only animals that work as packs. And they're so good at it. They're so good at it. And they're so fucking smart. They're so smart. They're all psychic. They all fucking think together. They're like a hive mind.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7894.51

They're amazing animals. It's just this ballot box biology. These people that are in Denver and Boulder, they're the ones who are the big population centers. They're the ones that are voting for this. But you're not going to release wolves in the middle of downtown Denver, right? No, you're going to release them out in the area where these people voted against it.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7910.684

The area where they released them first were areas where people voted against the wolves, which is like a big fuck you to those people.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7954.92

Well, apparently it's a pet project, no pun intended, of the governor of Colorado's husband. His husband is big on wildlife, which everybody should be.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7971.494

Oh, well, yeah, not important. Not important. It is important if you live in Colorado. But the reality is it's already started. The wolves are there. And they were coming into Colorado anyway. There's Colorado wolves that were moving in from neighboring states. Colorado borders Wyoming, of course. And they don't stop at the border.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

7990.902

Oh, they travel hundreds and hundreds of miles. We showed a video on here once of a friend of mine filmed a wolf in Bakersfield, California. And I was like, well, these people that live out there, the ranchers that live out there, talk to me about it. One of my buddies who actually works on a ranch filmed it, filmed this wolf, and we actually played the video.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8010.221

It's a big black wolf that's in a cattle field in fucking Bakersfield. It's just outside of Bakersfield. It's like off the five. Well, we had Diane Boyd on, who is a wolf reintroduction specialist. She's studied wolves her whole life. And she's not in favor of reintroduction of wolves. She thinks they should reintroduce to areas naturally, and they're going to do that anyway.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8035.252

They're going to migrate into these areas naturally, and that's the best way to let it happen. But she said they can travel hundreds and hundreds of miles. And that this wolf probably came all the way from Oregon and just made its way down. It probably wasn't even because their fear was that some crazy wildlife group is like, we're going to reintroduce the wolves ourselves.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8054.438

And they're capturing these wolves and then bringing them to California. Fuck you, rancher. You should be eating soybeans and just release them. She doesn't think that. She thinks those wolves actually probably made it from the wild all the way down there because they really travel insane distances.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8077.903

Well, it just throws a giant monkey wrench into whatever ecosystem there is. But the reality of the ecosystem in Montana, where they did reintroduce wolves, was that they were very overpopulated with elk. To the point where, well, she was explaining this. They used to have these winter seasons for cow elk. And, you know, it's basically shooting fish in a barrel because they're stuck in deep snow.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8098.168

Yeah. And you could just pick them off. And they did that because they were heavily overpopulated. The land couldn't sustain the numbers. And so they offered opportunities for hunters. Hey, it's great. You shoot an elk, you get even a cow elk, you get like 150 pounds of meat, 200 pounds of meat. And it's great. That's your meat for a year almost.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8173.27

Have you ever seen the Instagram page Tourons of Yellowstone? No. It's one of my favorite. Tourons? Like morons that are tourists. Tourons of Yellowstone. It's a great Instagram page. I'll check that out. It's all assholes taking selfies with deer and selfies with bison.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8193.39

It's people trying to feed bears. God. And it's all people just getting fucking thrown through the air by giant bisons.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8212.062

This is one I saw the other day.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8213.563

These people are right, this black bear is eating fish right on the edge of this lake. Holy shit. And they're getting right up to it. I mean, these kids are literally 15, 16 inches away from this fucking thing. And he gets closer too, by the way.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8228.675

He said, yeah, get our picture. Come on. I got my thumbed up.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8231.117

One of them winds up touching it.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8234.4

Yeah. He reaches over at the end of this stupid fucking video and touches it. And the bear is just like, get the fuck out of here. I'm trying to eat. They don't care. But they're so habitualized to being around people. No wild bear, a truly wild bear would ever allow this. No. This is just a bear. You know, they start eating people's garbage.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8252.882

They start taking fish from fishermen and that kind of shit. And look at this kid taking this selfie. Oh, my God. He gets closer. This fucking dumbass. Look at this fucking stupid kid. Look. Look, he's going to move in and touch it. Oh, gosh. Yeah, that could have been the end of your life, buddy. Holy shit. And look, he's got flip-flops on. These kids, they're so silly.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8283.852

No, not at all. Alaska, though. Although they are scared of people because they hunt them in Alaska. It's the only state in the United States. And they want to open up a season in Montana. And there's arguments about that right now because of the interactions that people are having with bears. This is part of what the governor of New Jersey ran on, that he was going to stop the bear hunt.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

829.583

Isn't it crazy that you have to look at things through this lens of who in the furthest left, kookiest perspective is going to be offended by this bunch of white people in the desert? Yeah. If anything, it should give you a perspective on how unbelievably brutal the times were back then.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8302.506

And people are like, yeah, stop the bear hunt. That shit lasted one year. And there were so many problems with bears. They said, all right, you're right, you're right. And then they reintroduced the bear hunt.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8315.517

But New Jersey has more black bears per capita than any other state in the United States, which is nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2274 - Mike Baker

8325.985

New Jersey is like Newark and Hackensack and those places, and then rural.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8334.791

It's like you get into the woods of New Jersey. It's fucking real woods, and it just doesn't seem like it should be because New Jersey is the Sopranos. In our mind, it's, oh, it's Tony Soprano.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8350.623

That's what we think about with Newark. Is that your soprano voice? Big pussy.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8362.788

You know, I feel like... I feel like Charlie Brown when Lucy keeps pulling that football away. You know, like, today's the day I'm going to kick that football. And then she fucking yanks that football and Charlie goes flying through the air and lands on his head.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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That's how I feel.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8385.894

I think they just found thousands of new documents.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8444.17

Well, Trump was quoted as saying that if you saw what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either. Right. What does that mean?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8476.461

But what could, I mean, it's not like they're going to say in the documents, we did it. So what could the documents have that would be so incriminating that they wouldn't want to release them? What would you document if you assassinated the president? We'd say, well, me and Mike were sitting over here on the grassy knoll.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8522.598

Well, 2017, they were supposed to release them. Right. And then this was when the Trump administration didn't do it. And that's when people got mad. Yeah. Like, Hey, you said you were going to do it. And this time they are saying they're going to do it. And then they got this hot lady who's involved in all this, which is odd. It does. Well, again... Why'd they pick her?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8547.188

Well, it's not just assassination. She's in charge of UFOs too, right?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8702.059

Yeah, but this is assuming that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, which I'm not buying into.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8711.081

Well, if Trump really did say that, that if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either, it has to be something. And that something might be a second shooter. Well, it's not... Or more.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

872.845

Yes, I think so too. And I also think that if you look at the overall body of work that they've produced, it's very obvious what many of them are doing. I think there's some genuinely good people that are involved in this that really want to do good work. They're very sensitive, kind souls. They probably grew up rich. Probably grew up rich.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8731.904

I don't know.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8732.545

He attempted suicide, a striking indication of how much he desired to remain in the Soviet Union. Showed how willing he was dramatically and decisively when he faced an emotional crisis with few readily available alternatives at hand. He was shocked to find that the Soviet Union did not accept him with open arms.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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The entry in his self-styled historic diary for October 21st, 1959 reports, I am shocked, two exclamation points. My dreams, exclamation point. I have waited two years to be accepted. My fondest dreams are shattered because of a petty official. I decided to end it. Soak fist in cold water to numb the pain, then slash my left wrist. What a pussy. The then plague wrist, oh.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Plug, then plunge, plunge wrist. Boy, can't spell plunge either. Then plunge wrist. Plunge, so he spells plunge, P-L-A-U-G. I guess it's plunge. Wrist into bathtub of hot water. Somewhere a violin plays as I watch my life whirl away. I think to myself how easy to die and a sweet death to violins. Oswald was discovered in time to thwart his attempted suicide.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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He was taken to a hospital in Moscow where he was kept until October 28, 1959. Still intent, however, in staying in the Soviet Union, Oswald went on October 31 to the American embassy to renounce his U.S. citizenship.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Mr. Richard A. Snyder, the then second secretary and senior consul officer at the embassy, testified that Oswald was extremely sure of himself and seemed to know what his mission was. He took charge in a sense of the conversation right from the beginning. He said he presented the following signed note.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8839.348

I, Lee Harvey Oswald, do hereby request that my present citizenship in the United States of America be revoked. And then they let him back in the United States. So this is why the more tinfoil hat wearing amongst us say this fucking guy, he was working for the government. This is all bullshit. They were setting it up and they were using him as a patsy.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8870.483

I wonder if he's even seen them all.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8874.907

Yeah, is he sitting there in his office drinking Diet Coke, reading the documents?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8895.142

Well, you have long said that you think that the Martin Luther King Jr. assassination was fishy.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

894.251

Um, but I think there's a lot of, a lot of grifters too, unfortunately. And the grifters, they've, they've been so egregious and obvious that I think it's turned a lot of people up. Even rational, kind, compassionate, progressive people are like enough. This is fucking stupid.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

8942.397

Hasn't a lot of that already been released?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9040.209

That's why it's fun to think like what are they going to – what's the JFK document? What is the MLK? What are they going to tell us about UFOs? But how much are they documenting? Like if someone is involved in killing the president, I would imagine they wouldn't write that down.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9100.248

Wasn't it also a problem with so much time has passed that the waters are so muddy? In terms of like trying to see clearly exactly what happened and when it went down and how it went down. Unless they did somehow or another document everything, which seems insane that they thought that they would just tuck that away somewhere.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

912.151

Especially when you hear like the, the anti stuff. It's not just like pro whatever you are. It's anti whatever you're not. And then you realize, okay, this is not rational. This is cult-like thinking. And this is a thing where if you don't agree, the punishment is very grave. Like they'll go after you so hard if you don't agree with them. And then you kind of realize what it is.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9122.563

It seems much more likely that that would be something that you would have a conversation about in a closed room and you would, you know.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9143.933

My friend Evan Hafer has an interesting perspective on it, special forces guy. He thinks that those guys who got fucked over at the Bay of Pigs when they didn't get air support from Kennedy, that if you were going to find a group of hardened individuals that were essentially assassins for the government, those would be the guys that would have a bone to pick with JFK.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9183.769

Well, also, he fucked them over because they got him elected in Chicago and they turned on them and then they started investigating them and they're like, hey, motherfucker.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9201.561

The MKUltra version is the best version. That's Sirhan Sirhan, Charles Manson, everything. I say it again, but read Chaos by Tom O'Neill, ladies and gentlemen.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9236.406

Did you see the most recent thing that people are saying about China? I think Kurt Metzger sent it to me, so I know it's got to be accurate. He's not out of his fucking mind. Something about some new thing that they found, some Chinese mind control thing. You saw that, Jamie?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9280.166

Wait a minute. What are you talking about? What I'm talking about is some mind control thing that they're involved with, with like their version of like a neural link.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9289.867

There's more than one different scenario that they're picking.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9305.804

This is someone burned 500. Yeah, this is it. ETH to accuse Chinese hedge fund CEOs of using brain control, brain computer weapons. Allegations of mind control tech spark a crypto donation spree amid intrigue in Chinese finance circles. Yeah, this is it. So this dude, how do you say that name? Hu Lezi? Hu Lezi.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9328.339

Hu Lezi burned 603 ETH to allege Chinese hedge fund CEO's use of brain computer weapons. Large donations totaling of 1,950 ETH. That's Ethereum? Ethereum. were made to various addresses, including WikiLeaks in Ukraine.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9346.369

A self-identified Chinese programmer has burned 603 ETH, approximately $1.65 million, and donated 1,950 ETH, approximately $5.35 million, through a series of blockchain transactions while making allegations against executives of a Chinese hedge fund. And so this guy, I don't understand why he's donating the money. Yeah, I'm not getting this. So people would see it, essentially.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9374.647

Okay, he sent 500 ETH to the Byrne address with this message. The CEO of Kwande Investment, Feng Jin and Yuji, how do you say it?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9387.677

Yuji used brain computer weapons to persecute all company employees and former employees and And even they themselves were controlled. Like what? Okay. The individual identifying as Hu Leizi sent multiple on-chain messages accusing Quande Investment CEO Feng Jin and Zhu Zhuzi of using what they term brain computer weapons against employees and former employees.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9417.769

Quande Investment, known as Wizard Quant, is a hedge fund specializing in quantitative trading. Hmm, that old story. Yeah, so scroll down. It says, this is a new mode of crime in which the victim is gradually deprived of his senses of desire until he becomes a complete slave to the digital machine. And if one day I become a victim of the final stage, I will leave the world.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9442.312

As the brain-computer interface and mind-reading technology keeps developing, there is a new mode of crime in which wild animals become puppets or complete slaves to the digital machine.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9485.802

Well, it could be just China bullshitting us and saying that they have this.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9527.675

And, you know, I wonder what's the method they're supposedly using to control these people's minds. Like it was pretty vague slaves to the digital machine. Like what,

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9540.805

Elaborates on alleged activities they're engaged in, which include deploying brain computer chips to control all citizens until they become complete slaves to the digital machine. Simingdi distraught Lei Xi, who described himself as an ordinary computer programmer and entrepreneur. That's what I would say, too, if I work for the Chinese government.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9558.235

claims he's been controlled by the mind control organization from the time he was born, but only discovered he's being manipulated in October 2022. So from the time he was born, they had a chip in his brain? Is that what he's saying? That's not real.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9571.447

Because they didn't have that back then. Yeah. I'm concerned over the legitimacy of this. Or if they did, how would it still be active in your brain? Like, how do you not have brain cancer? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, it's been a very pain. I mean, maybe it's real. I'm just fucking around here. Uh, maybe, uh, it's been a very painful in the last two years. Lazy wrote.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9589.243

Now I have completely lost my dignity as a human being. I've decided to leave this world. I hope this ugly world will be destroyed soon. Oh, well that guy sounds like a whole bunch of fun.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9604.017

Yeah. That's the problem with today. It's like there's so many bullshit stories. That sounds fun to say. Mind control.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9633.799

I know. I get so tired of it all.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9661.218

The thing about the release of those documents, though, that seems to me that that's something that you would document. Yes. Rather than say, I killed JFK, where do I sign? Instead of that... That's more tangible. If the government had recovered some crash in 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico, and it really was an alien spaceship, that seems like something they would document.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9751.494

Well, when you've got guys like David Grush, who's the whistleblower that comes out and says, not only do we have these ships, but we have biological entities.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

977.907

I feel like at this point in our culture, the divisions are so fucking crazy, and it's so counter to what America should be standing for, which is a United States, United Country, a community, a large group of people that all agree on a few very key rules, one of them being freedom. Right. And I think that seems logical. Yeah. We've got to stop. This division is set up not by us.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9778.43

But he has to get clearance.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9785.233

As an individual, right? He explained on the podcast that he's authorized to say what he's already said, but nothing more, and he has to be very careful. But then again, it's like, how do I know?

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9799.958

Also, if I was going to obscure some sort of a government propulsion system that's like 50 years ahead of anything we could imagine, that's how I would do it. I'd obscure it by saying, oh, there's some fucking alien technology that's available, and we don't really know how to use it, but they do visit us from time to time, and occasionally they crash.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9820.485

But now the Trump administration has said they were running some tests, and those were ours.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9841.761

It's been a blast, as always. Tell everybody about your show, where they can watch it. Oh, thank you. And listen to the presidential briefing.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

9857.837

Here it is. The President's Daily Brief with Mike Baker. Subscribe, YouTube, President's Daily Brief on YouTube.

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#2274 - Mike Baker

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Thank you, Mike. Appreciate you. All right. Bye, everybody.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1000.765

Well, I've had friends that have a different perspective on the Obama situation. And my friend Willie was talking to me about this. And he was saying that what happened was when you look, one thing that we can be sure of is that race is surreal. There are real racists in this country. There's real anti-black racists, anti-Asian racists.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

102.521

Hey, great to be back. Thanks for having me. Your movie is really funny. It's really funny. By myself, laughing out loud hysterically today. I watched it in the sauna. I watched it in the gym. I watched it... It was... It's one of the best comedies I've seen in a long time. Because there's so many moments that are so uncomfortable. That means a lot. I appreciate that. Yeah.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1021.25

There's certain people that have hateful ideology in this country, just a certain percentage of them in the world. Those are real. And when Obama became president, those people became more emboldened.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And he said that he saw a lot more of that online and a lot more attacks, especially in uncensored online forums like 4chan and places where you can kind of get away with saying whatever the fuck you want. He said he saw a lot more of that on the streets.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1048.893

And he said this is probably why he believed Michelle Obama didn't want to run for president, because she experienced so much of that hate while they're in the White House. Forget about hate for their policies and what you think about them as president and vice and first lady, but the racism hate.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1066.326

So his perspective as a black guy was like, you had to be a black person to realize how angry people were that there was a black guy who was president, because that was real, too. It was real that racism in American racial relations in America had changed radically since the 1960s, certainly since the 1920s and 30s. And over the years, it's kept getting better. But in his mind...

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1089.983

there was something that happened where when Barack Obama got into the White House that the real hardcore racist got very vocal and he experienced it. And I think this is akin in some ways to what's going on with anti-Semitism online because I think there's always been a certain amount of people in this country and in the world that are like deeply anti-Semitic. And they just don't like Jews.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1117.426

And when something happens where all of a sudden now it's OK to criticize Jews because of Israel's position in Gaza and what they've done, now you see anti-Semitism just pop out of the woodwork. I think there's something like that where people feel emboldened to talk about things. So maybe we just don't have an accurate account of how fucked up some people are.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1139.705

But the general population, whether you're conservative or whether you're liberal, everybody kind of agrees that racism is a stupid thing. There's amazing people of all ethnicities and colors, and you should judge people, like Martin Luther King said, by the content of their character. We all agree with that. But there's a certain amount of people that are always going to be racist.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1165.118

But when you start looking for it everywhere and saying everything is racist, first of all, it's an insult to real racism. It's an insult to the people that are the victims of real racism. When you consider microaggressions or cutting in line in front of you to get ice cream, there's people that are real victims of racism.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1185.566

And pretending that everything is racist just minimizes that and, in fact, probably makes more people racist. It's going to make a bunch of dumb liberals drop to their knees or give you money for reparations. But it's going to make a bunch of other people really resentful. And it just polarizes us and drives people further and further apart. It's just genuinely stupid.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

125.882

That's what we're hoping for. The Robin DiAngelo one where you gave that guy money for reparations and you got her. She thought it was uncomfortable. Yeah.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1370.759

Well, business is booming. But the other thing is, like, think about Robert D'Angelo, who you said just lives in her own bubble and really didn't know who you were and didn't catch on at any point in time that any of this stuff was ridiculous. Right. Like these people that this if that's all you think about and that's all you like.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1389.834

I have friends that live in California and every now and then I'll talk to them and some politics issue will come up and they give me this fucking CNBC. They give me this MSNBC, this fucking propaganda viewpoint on something that's so wrong, just so. And I just go, OK, I can't like you're you're in.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1412.39

in your bubble there's no there's no real discourse there's no real there's no discussions about whether or not what these people are saying is correct it's just you're a part of this tribe and this is what you believe and I think that's the case with these anti-racist people too. Some of them might be like just hardcore grifters.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1433.89

Like they could be playing three-card money or they could just get corporations to give them money by saying that everybody's racist. There's some people that are definitely like that. But there's other people that are just – that's their friend group. Like that's their social circle.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1448.377

Their social circles, all people believe this stupid shit and they all yap it to each other and they say it like it's a mantra and they pray five times a day with it. You know, it's really like a religious thing.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1554.223

Exactly. I get that once a month.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1563.248

She sucks us against me.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1566.851

Well, they're getting out of it, first of all, they're terrified of being called racists. So they jump the gun. So they headed off at the path. Like, I'm going to make sure I'm not racist. So I'm going to become an anti-racist.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1577.441

You know, I talked about this before, but when my kids were young, like my youngest was pretty young when they started doing this anti-racism thing at the school where they said it's not enough to be not – this was actually right after we left. So it was right after like the George Floyd things popped off. They said it's not good enough to not be racist. You have to be anti-racist.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1604.247

You're talking about some of these kids – in that school are six like what are you saying it's not enough what what are you saying you saying a six-year-old has to be an anti-racist can't they just play with their toys can't they just go to the park and hang out with their friends can't they just play sports can't they just enjoy each other six-year-olds don't give a fuck what color somebody is

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1627.884

They don't. They all just play together. They just want to play with the people who are nice to them and who they have fun with and laugh with. And here you've got some fucking grifter who latches themselves onto some school system that's filled with all these terrified liberals that are just terrified of being called out for anything. And all the rules are changing and everybody's like, oh!

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1650.4

And so they bend the knee.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1755.466

Yeah.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1797.269

And the other thing that happens with kids is... If you have a thing like you're telling the kid they have to be anti-racist, well, some kids are going to use that as a platform to increase whatever social cred that they have. And they get feedback from it. It's positive feedback. And they get very vocal. And the more vocal, the more people are impressed.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1818.932

And the more work they do, the more people are going, you're doing great work. And then you get what's essentially like the racial version of Greta Thunberg. Like, what is that lady? That lady's moral outrage at what have you done? How dare you? And everybody's like, yes, we like what you just did. And so now you do it all the time.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1836.981

And so now somehow or another, a 16-year-old kid travels all over the world telling everybody they're bad. Flying around in jets, telling everybody they're bad for ruining the environment. And she gets to feel... Morally superior, morally superior, virtuous. And for a child to be in a position where they become virtuous is, you know, they love that. They love that.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1860.914

Yes.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1863.897

Yes. College kids love to do that. The moment they're out of their house, the moment they don't have their parents telling them what to do anymore, now they can tell other people what to do. And it's just like – it's one thing that you see online from people who have been bullied in the past.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1879.572

Um, the people that have been picked on and fucked with, boy, they like to do it to people like online on Twitter mobs. They like to jump in. And I know a lot of people that have, that I've known a lot of people that have engaged in these things. I've, I know them personally, these feeble, weak, terrified men.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1897.5

And they say the most heinous things about people like uncharitable, not knowing like what, what kind of response these words are going to have in that person. Um, And they bully these people because they've been hurt. You know, it's that hurt people hurt people thing. That's what it is. But they don't think it's as bad as bullying like in real life. Bullying is terrible.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

1918.972

You're going to hit somebody? How dare you, you fucking monster. Well, you're emotionally scarring people online every day. And you think you're doing it through this. It's like one of the things, Elon's talked about this, that one of the things that woke does, it allows really mean people. This ideology allows really mean people.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2011.476

I think it does too. And I also think it ramps up anxiety in a huge way for the people that are actually engaging in it. The people that actually do it, I think they're just fully anxious all day long. And I think it's terrible for mental health. Even if you're like quote unquote winning these verbal battles online that you're engaging in, I think it's terrible for everybody.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2031.269

It's really terrible for the people that are just like all day long negative. Like there's an arguing with people. Like why do you want that in your life? That's a very unusual position to be in where all day long you're in conflict. That's only war. Yeah. In the real world, most of the day, there's no conflict. That's why conflict is so uncomfortable, because it's so unusual.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2052.502

If you're used to conflict with people all the time, and you see some guy, and he's like, fuck you. No, fuck you. But if you're not used to someone saying, fuck you, and then all of a sudden, hey, fuck you, and you're like, what? Like, you're terrified. You're freaked out. Like, what's going on? Oh, my God, this is conflict.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2065.347

The kind of conflict, verbal conflict, that people engage in online all day long has the same sort of effects on your psyche. You are perceiving the world to be this. This is one of the things that's so polarizing about this particular election, right?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2079.376

That people are willing to accept propaganda because it feeds into their view of the world, which is that they're engaged in this moral battle, good versus evil. And both sides think they're good, and both sides think the other side is going to be the end of the world. And it's accentuated heavily by mentally ill people that are on Twitter all day long.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2126.179

If I was not a quote-unquote public figure, I would be off everything.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2152.405

I have a problem, too, in that I'm a comedian and that I'm also a gold miner, right? So what that means is when I'm going through my news feed, my news feed is the thing I'm the most addicted to. I'm mining for gold. Like, what's going on here? What'd they do? They did what? They fucking what? And I need those. Those are really important to me because, like, those can be my next hour of stand-up.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2173.878

Those can be—they're chunks. And it's not every day. It's like I can go through 30 days of nonsense and just not one thing. But every now and then, there's a chunk of gold in there. I'm like, oh, I got one. And then I put that in my notes, and I justify endless scrolling to get to those gold nuggets.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2202.073

really intense curiosity i'm really curious about all kinds of things there's so many subjects i'm really really interested in i mean i would i would for sure still be paying attention to you know science issues and space travel and you know new discoveries and the universe and there's a bunch of stuff that i would just be ancient history ancient civilizations i would be there's no way i would not be fascinated by them because they almost have nothing to do with my job

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2238.158

Right.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2239.399

The problem is if you do and you do it just once and then you get feedback and then people say, hey, I really like what you posted. Oh, great. And then and then all of a sudden you're connected and then you're like looking for this feedback. So you're trying to post things to get likes and you're trying to post things to get reposts and get comments and you're engaging in the comments.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2255.802

And now now it's now you're fucked. Now you're locked into this weird ecosystem with these people you don't even know. They might be all stupid. They might be all really annoying people that you would avoid in real life. Like if you work with them, you're like, oh, there's Tom. Let me get the fuck out of here. And you go to the other side of the office. But now you're engaging with them.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

2274.674

People that you avoid having conversations with, you are now in mortal combat with words on Twitter. And it's fucking stupid.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

228.102

I feel like you got your money's worth with her, seeing as it's $15,000. But I feel like you got robbed by the lady that got upset about the mascot.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I mean, you're the product of what you take in, even if that information is, like, low impact. It's not the same impact as being there when the hitmen show up and gun the guys down in front of the cafe. I've seen these videos where it's just mass shootings. This one video I saw the other day of some gang violence situation.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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These guys drove by, gunned these guys down, and then the guys started shooting back, and they were all shot while they're shooting back. Then the car backs up, and then they gunned them down more. It's fucking crazy. But it's not the same as being there. If you were there, that would haunt you for the rest of your life.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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If you were across the street and you watched that happen, you watched these people die, it would haunt you for the rest of your life. But you get a little blip. Instead of getting a 100% dose, you get a little 1% dose. A little 1% dose. And you get them all day long. And by the end of the day, you're just like, what the fuck is the world?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Right. It's a horrible thing to see. But it's like Twitter in that it's not a full experience. If you were having the kind of exchanges that some people have with each other where they're just ruthlessly insulting and shitty to people, if you were having those in person, there's a high probability that that's going to lead to violence. Actual violence.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Like if two men are in a room and one man starts insulting this other person like really like viciously and talking about their life and their family and all kinds of crazy shit that people do online. There's a probability. It's more than zero percent that this is going to result in violence. But there's zero possibility of it online. It's just it's just free. It's a free shot.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And that's a part of the problem as well, is that it's not a real human interaction. So you're getting like these little doses of shittiness from people, but you're not getting this one burst where you and this guy are about to throw down because he's like he's insulting you to the point where like this person is actually dangerous. Like this is actually this person hates me.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Like this could be a real bad situation here. And I think much like that exists on Twitter where you have these little shitty interactions, it's like 1% of real hate and it just adds up over time. That's the same thing as seeing violence, seeing all these executions, seeing all these botched robberies, seeing all these people that get murdered in some third world country.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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You just get a little tiny piece of it all the time and it normalizes it. It's probably really, really bad for us.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Well, that's what they want. That's what people want to do when they say things like that. Like this is my opinion. And a lot of it is like really out of line. Like a lot of it is just like the worst possible – like I said before, like the least charitable takes, the least nuanced, this ridiculous caricature of a human being just to try to –

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Just to try to demonize them to make yourself look virtually or virtuously Superior, it's just dumb. It's a dumb way for people to communicate and the kind of people that do it are all losers Yeah, there's no like really exceptional fascinating people that engage in that kind of stuff Well the thing that gets me I don't mind when people insult me.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Well, it's also who knows who's doing it. And at this point in time, we have to accept the reality of propaganda. And that there, you know, we've talked about this ad nauseum, but I'll say it again. There was an FBI former analyst did some sort of a study on Twitter where he was estimating the amount of bots versus this is like right around the time when Elon was saying that it's more than 5%.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Right.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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He said he thinks it's about 80%. He thinks 80% of the accounts. Yeah. 80% of the accounts are fake accounts. which just stop and think about if you're in a country, okay? Let's imagine you want the politics of America to swing in a certain direction because we most certainly do this in other countries.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I mean, we don't have to educate people on the long history of interventionist foreign policy where we have gone in and installed new leaders of countries and organized all kinds of shit. So we do it and we do it and we know they do it. But isn't it like the cheapest way to do it? Wouldn't it be to do it on social media? Yeah. And if you did it, why would you do it with one account?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Why wouldn't you have a million accounts? I would have a million accounts. You just gotta get a computer that keeps making new accounts. And you run a program, it's not the most difficult thing to do. For people that know how to actually code operating systems, you don't think there's someone out there that can code a computer program

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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that can operate millions of different Twitter accounts, and you run it through some sort of AI that you've developed, some large language model on things to say about MAGA, or things to say about abortion, or things to say about conservatives, or things to say about liberals, and you put a fucking American flag in your little bio, or you put a pronoun thing, he, her, zee, zur, whatever it is, and then you just flood the internet with fake anger.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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and fake discourse, and you lie about people, and you, anytime there's a post about anything controversial, you insert something in there that gets people even more riled up, you could get people, you could swing the vote. You could swing the vote in one way or another, especially with fence-sitters, with people that are not sure, like, I don't know, is Trump really the answer?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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No one ever found out who the identity of the mascot is? No.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And then you get online, and you see all this hateful shit, or you might get on a MAGA forum, and you go, oh, they are eating cats. He was telling the truth. ABC's biased. And you could swing it one way or the other. And I think they're all trying to manipulate it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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All these foreign governments, and I think internally in the United States, I'm sure there are groups that are doing it too, that are manipulating things in one way or the other in a disingenuous way because it's available. And I don't know how to stop it. I think the only way for you to not personally be really... affected by it is you have to understand that it exists.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It would have been hilarious if it was a person of color.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And then you have to recognize that, you know, some of these takes are not even real human beings. So instead of saying, Jesus Christ, people would think that way, go, maybe not. Like maybe this isn't, maybe there's a few people that think that way, but you're being led to believe that it's a huge movement of people. When it might not be.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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But the problem is when it even if it's fake, people are so stupid that even if it's a fake thing that becomes a bit of a movement online with fake dumb people will jump in there and then it'll become a real thing. Yeah. Like you're aware of the the free bleeding movement that 4chan pushed. Yeah, I think I heard of that.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It became real. That's what I'm saying. Or flat Earth is the same thing. It became a joke. People were fucking around at first. We've known the Earth has not been flat for a long-ass time. But now that's totally real. Now it's totally real. Now there's massive groups of people that think the Earth is flat. Which isn't. I can't. I can't. I don't know how that – yeah. Yeah, you can't.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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But the thing is that's how dumb people are, that you can have a fake thing and say it enough times and enough people jump in and be on board with it, and then it becomes a real thing. And then you don't even have to use propaganda anymore. These morons are doing it for you.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Well, it's just people that really are not educated. That's number one. And people that believe that there's a collusion that's so large that all of the space agencies from Japan, from China, from Russia, all of them are liars. That all of them are colluding together to hide the true shape of the earth.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And you got to imagine you can't see real good with that fucking costume. You ever put a mascot costume on?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Because if we really knew the earth is flat, then it always is connected to some sort of a Bible thing. Like it's the firmament and they believe that we're hiding the fact that God is real. And somehow there's some mass conspiracy that all these world governments and every person that ever was involved in the space agencies, they've all hid from us.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I used to believe in the moon landing. You don't anymore? I had a joke in my act about it, that before COVID, I would have told you vaccines are the most important invention in human history. And after COVID, I'm like, I don't think we went to the moon. Yeah, I know that was in your – but do you actually think that? I think there is a less than zero possibility that we did not go to the moon.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Oh, my gosh. I know. Why do you think we went to the moon?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I don't argue with any of the things you're saying. But one of the things that I think you have to consider was... If it's not possible for human beings to safely go through the Van Allen radiation belts and out into deep space without much protection and face the temperatures that are on the surface of the moon, which get up to 250 degrees and 250 degrees below zero in the shadows.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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There's no environment there. It's hostile beyond belief. Micrometeorites are flying into the moon all the time. They're flying through space all the time. We've never had a single biological organism go out into deep space, pass the Van Allen radiation belts, and then come back to Earth and come back alive, except human beings during the Apollo missions.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Duncan and I did a whole podcast where we pretended to be furries. Every podcast we do, we dress up. We'll dress up like Star Wars people or whatever. Spaceship people. We did a podcast as furries. We kept the helmets on for maybe five minutes. We're like, I can't fucking do it. And we both took them off. Props to the furries. If you could run around with this thing on, this is hard to do.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Every single space station mission, every single space shuttle mission, All of them are inside 350 miles from the Earth's surface. The only time human beings have ever been past that and through the Van Allen radiation belts was the Apollo missions. And we were the only humans that were ever able to do that. The Russians never figured out how to do it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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No one else figured out how to do it but the Apollo astronauts. And we did it seven times, six successfully from 1969 to 1972. If you said to me, do you think that they could fake the moon landing today? I would say no. I would say no, no, no, no. People are going to be able to track it. It's very easy. They have satellites. They're going to know everything.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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But in 1969, the technology was so crude that when they first showed the Apollo 11 landing – They didn't even show a direct feed to the networks. So like if you're on CBS News, you don't get a direct feed. What you do is you point a camera at a projection screen. So that's why the film looks so shitty.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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The camera is pointed to a projection screen where you see the astronauts jumping around on the moon. And you see this weird, grainy, third-generation image, right? And we did it, and we have never done it since. And we've always said we're going to do it, and no one's ever even come close. No one's ever even gone into deep space since 1972. We also haven't been trying. We haven't been trying.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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But we always talk about going back, including Herbert Walker Bush talked about going back. George W. talked about going back. They all talk about going back, but nobody ever gets anywhere. Right.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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We didn't just lose that. We lost all the technology from the Saturn V rocket. They don't even have that anymore. In fact, they don't even have the original film. They erased all the original footage of the Apollo missions. So you just have copies of everything.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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If you can get through the Van Allen radiation belts into deep space with human beings and have them safely come back.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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You can't see shit. You can't breathe.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I see what you're trying to say. The evidence that they went to the moon, there's a bunch, right? There's moon rocks, that's one. There's lunar reflectors that they placed on the moon, that's another. And there's a couple problems with those. First of all, the Soviets put laser reflectors on the moon as well.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And also the moon itself, in many places where you shine lasers on it, it bounces back by itself. The reflective quality of the moon, the reason why the moon is so bright and white in the sky when the sun hits it, you get a certain amount of bounce back off of different things with lasers. Um, there's some photographs that are interesting. What was it? Was the India?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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What was the one where they got the most high resolution photos of the lander?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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One of the things that's interesting is they gave a moon rock to, um, was it a prime minister of Holland? Is that what it was? Which one was the moon rock they gave that turned out to be petrified wood? So the Apollo astronauts gave a moon rock to some foreign dignitary, and it turned out to be a piece of petrified wood.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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They do have samples of moon rocks that came from the moon, but we also have those on Earth. In fact, Wernher von Braun in 1968, I believe, went to Antarctica. There's all these photographs of him in Antarctica. Antarctica is a great place to take moon rocks because Antarctica is just this gigantic sheet of white, and you can spot the meteorites in the ground. So this is the photo.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I think they designed special ones for that.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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This is from what? What is this from? What is the – so this is an – yeah, Indian Space Research Organization's – I don't know how to say that word – Shandipur. Chandrayaan-2 orbiter captured images of NASA's Apollo 11 and 12 landing sites and lunar modules from 100-kilometer altitude. Apollo 12 image astronaut boots tracks are still even visible.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Due to the recent interest in another post I shared, I decided to download and view the raw imagery. So that looks like there's some kind of thing on the moon. Pretty good evidence. It is evidence that something's on the moon. It's not evidence that human beings went to the moon. See, we have things that are on the moon. We have things on Mars right now.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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We had things that were – we'd shot things into space for sure.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It's not proof in and of itself, but it is evidence. Listen, I'm not saying we didn't go to the moon. What I'm saying is the subject is complex. And it's not even a little complex. It's really complex. Yeah. There's a documentary called The Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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This guy Bart Sebrell, he was a guest on the show too, been obsessed about this his whole life and absolutely believes that we never went to the moon. And there's enough shit that you go, okay, if he's right about any of these things, it's weird.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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One of the things was some of the photographs of the moon, they ran through one of those AI detectors that can tell you whether or not something's false or artificially generated. And it showed different images from, I think it was a Chinese satellite of the moon. They said this is legitimate. But then it got to these Apollo images and they said these have been doctored. Who said that?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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This AI program.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I don't think so. I think they only ran a few images through. See if you can find those, Jamie. Find what they did. Again, this is not saying that we didn't go to the moon. It could be. And this was a fact with the Gemini 15 program where Michael Collins – there was a photograph of Michael Collins that they took in one of his –

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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One of his training exercises where he had those packs that they put on where they can move around while they're doing moonwalks. Not moonwalks, spacewalks outside of a – where they're connected by a tether. And he was like in this harness and manipulating this device.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And what they had done is taken a photograph of him training and then someone, probably some overzealous PR person, had taken that photograph and then blacked out the background and – tried to pass it off as a really clear photograph of him out there on a spacewalk, which is probably very difficult to get, right? You'd have to have another person at the camera frame it, right? They had this photo.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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They're like, look, he did it. Let's just pass this off as the real thing, which is, you know, you're also talking about the Nixon administration where they were just full of shit constantly.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah. So there's different video where they ran it through and they said it was real. Was it a Chinese program? But when they ran the American ones, the American images, they said that they were doctored. Again, it doesn't mean that we didn't go to the moon, but it does mean, okay, there's that. That's weird. Have you ever seen the Apollo 11 post-flight press conference? No. Yeah.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It looks like a hostage video. Looks like a bunch of guys who don't want to be there. They look real fucking nervous and they look real deceptive. If you watch that video, it's weird.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Not necessarily for the best. Well, there's actually like a psychological condition that they talk about, this sort of understanding that we're all connected. It's like akin to a religious experience that many astronauts get when they go up to the space station and look down at the Earth and go, oh, my God, what are we doing?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Like we're all together in this thing and we're so alone in the universe. And for us to be fighting over these trivial differences and these stupid lines in the dirt that we draw when we are like just clinging to this ball in the middle of everything.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Not a full-on believer.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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But I think that's a weird way to frame it, right? Is there evidence of a hoax of the JFK assassination that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? Do you think there's evidence? Well, but the event itself being that JFK was killed happened. Right, but that's not the conspiracy. So the conspiracy is, did he act alone? And is there evidence that he didn't act alone? What do you think?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah. Right. I don't know exactly what happened. Nobody does. Exactly. Same exact perspective. Same exact perspective about this moon thing. Like it may have happened, but this was a time of deep deception in the American world. This is a time after Operation Northwoods. This is a time after the Kennedy assassination. This is a time.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I mean, this is a weird fucking shaky time in terms of propaganda. This is after Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex. This is like there was a lot of deception. Gulf of Tonkin incident. There's a lot of open deception. that the American people were being subject to. And then there's this Cold War between us and Russia, this space war for superiority.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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We wanted it so bad, we brought in Nazis.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Well, that's not even evidence. Real evidence would be some sort of documentation, some sort of a way to go over – There's a binary code that shows the distance between the Earth and the lunar module at every stage of the journey. But that's missing. That stuff's missing. All the tracking data, they can't find it. All the original footage is missing.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And that could just be people are really bad with historical items. That's possible. But to say that... faking the moon landing would be a bigger achievement than actually going to the moon. I would say only if people could actually go to the moon. So here's the question.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Can we really, everyone wants to dismiss it, can we really send a biological entity into space, go through that radiation, which is thick, covering the earth, and have it come back alive? Well, supposedly... This is the only time people had done it. And supposedly the way they did it was by going through the top area of the of the earth where the Van Allen radiation belts.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It's like kind of like a donut that surface that covers the earth. It's not uniform. And there's an area at the top where you can go out. But according to Bart Sabrell, they didn't go that way because he would have had to launch from Antarctica to do that. It's not really possible that that happened, that they went that way.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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So he thinks that if they did go through that, there is no other examples of living things that have done that and come back alive. And they've known that this is an issue. They've known that this Van Allen radiation belts, which is this band of heavy radiation that covers the earth and protects us. They've known that it's out there because they tried to blow it up once.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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There was a thing called Operation Starfish Prime where they launched one of several nuclear bombs into the radiation belt to try to blow a hole through it. When did that happen? 67 maybe? It was Starfish Prime. But it did the opposite effect. Why did they do that? They wanted to see what happens. Shits and giggles? Well, they had so much power.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And, you know, you've got nuclear bombs and you can't blow people up, but you're still doing studies. So they're doing tests all throughout Nevada. I mean, that's what killed John Wayne. John Wayne got cancer because he was working on a set doing a Western. right next to where they were blowing up nuclear bombs. Like 200 people on the set got cancer.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Starfish Prime, high altitude nuclear test conducted by the United States, a joint effort of the Atomic Energy Commission and the Defense Atomic Support Agency, July 9th, 1962. So this is like while Kennedy was in office. They were trying to figure out how to, we will get to the moon, not in this decade, but in the other, or whatever he said. High altitude nuclear test.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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So the thing it did, unfortunately, was it supercharged the bands and it made it have much more radiation. Not only that, it blew out power in some parts of Hawaii, I think. I think it cooked a few satellites, right? We talked about this the other day. It cooked a few satellites.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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If they did. Well... Listen, we know they sent people into near-Earth orbit. That's a fact.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Because we actually can see that. We can see where they launched. You can follow the trajectory. You can know about the propulsion units that they used. You know about what they were trying to accomplish. And you can watch it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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They never even tried that. They just did it. Right. That's what's even crazier.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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The last time they did it was 1972. You don't think that's a little weird? Not really. No, no, no, no. Listen, listen. Even if they did go to the moon, let's say, I'll say they went to the moon. It's fucking weird. Everything from 1969 is easier, cheaper, and faster to reproduce today, except the moon landing, except space travel. I just don't think there's a will.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Do you know how much fucking resources there is on the moon? Do you know how many valuable minerals are on the moon? And trillions of dollars of things that are very difficult to find in the United States are on the moon?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I don't think that these days – I think we should care about that, but most people don't care about – If we found out that we didn't have to dig for lithium, that we could just go to the moon and pull giant chunks of it out and not have slave labor and no one has to feel bad about using your iPhone, you don't think that they would do that? Of course they would do that if they could.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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If you could have a mining station on the moon, no problem at all, totally safe, of course they would do that. It only takes two weeks to get there. People mine in northern territories. People mine in Canada in these horrible conditions, fucking freezing cold out.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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But that's a crazy one to say that someone cutting in front of you a selfish act is somehow racist. That's like looking for racism everywhere. Because that kind of situation is so normal. It's so normal that some dick cuts in front of you.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Right, but it's so valuable. I know. The idea that they wouldn't do that and they haven't done anything even remotely close to that since 1972 is weird. I agree that it's...

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It's very unusual. It's unusual technologically. It's incongruent. It's incongruent with technological progression. We have that with everything else. Everything else. Phones are in your fucking pocket now, and they have more computing power than the entire cluster that they used to launch the Apollo program. The Apollo program was a fucking giant room full of computers.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Your phone is significantly more powerful than that. Everything else got better except that. We thought that people were going to be going to space all the time. You ever watch that TV show Space 1999 when you were a kid? No. You're younger than me. There was a stupid show called Space 1999, and they thought, boy, by 1999, we'll be flying around spaceships and people will be living on the moon.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Every time they've done in the past, like after the moon landings, every time they did any sort of science fiction movie, it always involved colonies already established on the moon and on Mars and people traveling. Because we thought that was going to happen. Orville and Wilbur Wright, right? Think about the launch of the first airplane.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And then the launch of the Apollo program, it's only like 60 years. It's kind of crazy. The launch of the first airplane ever and dropping nuclear bombs out of an airplane is only like, what is it, 50 years? I think it's something kooky. Yeah. 50, 60 years. That's nuts.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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But then now you have supersonic jets like 100 years later. Now you have insane capabilities of like Air Force fighter jets. unbelievable power and maneuverability far beyond anything anybody would have possibly imagined when Orville and Wilbur had that stupid fucking bird-looking flimsy thing. So everything progresses technologically, except...

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Except traveling to other planets.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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In automobiles.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Here's the problem with what you're saying. The American people don't get a say in whether or not we do things. They don't get a say in whether or not we make a space shuttle. They don't get to decide whether or not we establish a new space station. No one talks about it. They just do it. We barely get a say in how much money goes to Ukraine.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Right, but how much is funded to go to Ukraine? All of a sudden, they had $175 billion plus to fund this proxy war. Who decided that? It wasn't the American people.

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But what my point is, is that if you had a skillful politician who got on television and explained that we have found a solution to all of our energy problems and it's mining on the moon. And through this mining on the moon, we are going to increase the overall way of life for every single human being on on America's soil. We are going to raise everybody above the poverty level.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Nobody wants to be reasonable. Nobody wants to say, well, is that like you just say, oh, wow. You know, you have to listen to it. That's part of the problem. Like you can't say, are you sure that's racist? Because then you're a racist apologist and then you're racist by proxy.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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There'll be no impoverished people because we have literally found trillions of dollars. And very, very valuable minerals. And by using our United States taxpayer funds to fund this program and to finance it, we are going to allow the entire country to share in some of this wealth. And we're going to change energy distribution and consumption in this country in an incredible way.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It's going to be beneficial to everybody. And it's going to make a bunch of people really rich, too. But it's going to change the quality of life for every person in this country. And this is how we're going to do it. Everybody will be on board.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Right, but you could make that case with the amount of minerals and the amount of valuable resources you can get, not just from the moon, but also from mining asteroids, which they're attempting to do now. If you can get people out there, if you really can get people out there... So here's the question.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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If you couldn't do it, if they knew they couldn't do it, but they wanted to show that they could do it, could they... compartmentalize things, could they feed a computer program that is, instead of the actual binary data that shows the distance between the lunar module and the surface of the Earth at any given time, could they just calculate that out with computers? Of course they could.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah, that's possible. Could they, if they couldn't get human beings into deep space and have them come back alive because they couldn't figure out a way to get through the Van Allen radiation belts and survive micrometeors and all the other shit that you deal with, could they... get enough people to shut the fuck up because it's in the best interest of national security.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

4518.951

Of course they could, especially in 1969. People were fucking terrified. They had just killed the president six years earlier. People were absolutely terrified of getting... under the sights of the intelligence agencies. And if you have top secret clearance, if you're involved in some sort of a project, like look at the Manhattan Project. People kept their fucking mouth shut.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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They knew they were working on something of importance that was above and beyond their need to yap about shit.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Because you actually have a real space program. So the space program's not fake, right? So let's just assume I'm a non-believer. I would tell you that the space program was absolutely real. The Saturn V rocket was absolutely real. The modules, the way they were able to parachute down into the ocean, 100% real. They did go into space. But how far did they go? This is the real question. And Bart...

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

4575.902

Sibrel, the guy who made this documentary, he asserts that they went somewhere into Earth's orbit, like, you know, in space, but not through the Van Allen radiation belts and not to the surface of the moon and back. And that they had video footage that they had done in some scenario. Some people think it's in the Nevada desert. Who knows what it is?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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But they had this footage of people bouncing around and they said they got it on the moon and then they brought this back.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Well, he has a bunch of different things, and one of them is the one that's very hotly debated, and it's the... different light sources in the photographs. So a lot of the photographs from the surface of the moon have intersecting shadows.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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So you have a shadow that's going this way and another shadow that's going that way, indicating more than one light source or a close-by light source that's coming in, not something that's millions of miles away like the sun.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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there's those there's the photographs there's the photographs that run through ai he has this other video of what looks like them filming the earth through one of the round portal windows with everything blacked out in the cabin and then they pull down the things that were blocking off the other light sources and the cabin floods with light and it looks like they're in near-earth orbit and it's very confusing

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Because you're like, well, what is that video? What exactly is going on there? Because if they really are in deep space and they really are filming this small image of the Earth, because that's all they can see from 200,000 miles out, well, why, when they take those things down, does it look like the whole cabin is filled with light? Why does it look exactly like they're in near-Earth orbit?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

4692.759

Have you ever seen it? You want to see it? Sure. For shits and giggles. Yeah, because we're in the middle of this stupid conversation. It's a fun one. It's one of the most fun of all conspiracy theories. Because if they did it, wow. First of all, if they killed the president, wow. And it seems like they kind of did that. So if they did this too, like what else did they do?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Like what other hoaxes were played on the American people if this is real? That's why it's fun. I'm not saying it's real. But it is a fun one. It's not as simple as the Earth is flat. That's a stupid one. But this is a fun one.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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This is a fun one because you're dealing with the kind of power with complete control over the media, complete control over newspapers and what they reported, the interest of national security, the Cold War with Russia, the space war with Russia. We wanted it so bad we brought in some of the most heinous human beings that have ever lived to run our NASA program.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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No, no, no, no.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Let me show you the video. Let me show you the video. Jamie, you got that? Funny thing happened on the way to the moon. I know, but I can't. Is he hiding it? I know it's available.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Okay, you'll find it. He'll find it once he does. Again, I'm not saying we didn't go. I'm saying this is a fun one and it's a weird one.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It's incredible. But we know that it happened. It's incredible, but it doesn't compare because they do it now easily. So anybody can get in a ship right now and travel. You can get a small boat that you have enough resources and you have enough gas and you can travel through these routes. You can do it. It took them hundreds of years, though. But you can do it right now.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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So it's way easier to do now. Right. So it's something that they did. That's incredible. No doubt. No argument. But something that could be reproduced today easily. Or at least possibly. I wouldn't say easily. It's a task.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

4925.624

But it got better right after each one did it because they had maps now. And then they also used their sextants and they understood constellations in a way that most people don't today. And sextants, if you actually use them correctly and you understand which way the tides go and which way the water currents are going...

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

4942.932

which way the flow was happening, they had a deep understanding of the currents of the Earth. They knew travel lanes. They knew which ways they could go with ships. So applying that to the open ocean, applying that to these continents they weren't even sure were there, it was very iffy, very dangerous, very courageous. But once they did it, then everybody else could do it easier.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

4966.369

And then they started doing it better and better, and then people started coming to America, and then ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, and now here we are. And now anybody can get in a boat. Anybody with enough resources can have a boat that can travel those routes. No one can just say, I want to go to the moon today and get their private moon craft and fucking shoot off into the atmosphere and land on the moon.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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So no one's done that since 1969. That's a recent occurrence in terms of human history, but not technologically. The technology from 1969, it's like cave people shit compared to what we have today. So you really can't compare... The courageous, amazing deeds of these early explorers. Because what they did was absolutely fantastic. But they left a clear record of how to do it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And then each person improved upon it. And now it's easy to do. But it was still, I mean. The spacecraft travel is not. There's nothing like that.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Well, they had maps. They had maps and they had sextants and they had a detailed, at least crude, understanding of the shape of certain continents. Like, there's maps from the 1500s. There's maps from before that. There's plenty of maps that are rough estimates and pretty good job, actually. The cartographers back then were astonishingly good because it was so valuable to be good at that.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Now, this is the footage. So let's just watch this. So this is Neil Armstrong talking to Houston. So give me some volume.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Why is that? We're not watching the movie. All right, so let's do this. He and I will watch it with the sound on, and we'll tell everybody else to just go to the website or go to the YouTube video so we don't get pulled off of YouTube. We'll watch it, and we won't say anything, and then after it's over, we'll come back. So play it, because I want them to hear it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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So what do you think about that footage?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I'm sure someone has.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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So I need to know that. Well, here's two problems with that video. One, the English accent. Those motherfuckers. If they want to sell you something on late night TV, they use an English accent because it makes someone look more intelligent, more sophisticated. The crescent insert. Why would they fake any of it? And then they got you with the music. The music is manipulative.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5164.024

So they're manipulating you in two ways. They're manipulating you with the woman's voice, and they're manipulating you with the music. So you're saying they are manipulating you with the video. I'm saying they most certainly are manipulating you in that video. That video is not just the video. So what I would rather have is just the video and watch that. But we do get to see them say...

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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the distance they are from the Earth. Here's a couple of questions, right? What does it look like? What is the shine from the Earth from 200,000 miles out? And maybe in order to be able to film that, you have to block off the light from all those other windows because even though it's 200,000 miles out,

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5207.23

Just like the moon lights up the sky on a night where there's a full moon and you're outside, you can see. Like a really good full moon with a clear sky, you can see the ground. It lights it up. And the moon is one quarter of the Earth's size, and the moon is 250-plus thousand miles away. So if something is four times bigger...

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5230.535

than the moon and the blue from the earth's oceans, like when you see it from the space station, it is powerful. I mean, it is a potent reflector of sunlight. So you could say that he's just ignorant about how much reflection you would get from the surface of the earth from 200,000 miles away. And even though They are filming it by blocking out all the lights and filming it through this window.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5255.708

That actually is the earth. That's actually what it looks like when you're in deep space. You could say that too. You just don't know. It's hard to figure out what's what. It's hard to figure out what's what. But when you see a video like that, you just go, hmm, okay, what is that? And I don't think it's impossible to fake people going to the moon. I think it would be very difficult.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5282.185

It would require a lot of people to be on board. But I also think it could be compartmentalized. The people that make the rockets, what you're doing is you're making a specific part, and this guy's making another part, and you have the engineers put this thing together, and you launch this thing into space. The people that would have to know are the people that are actually charting the trajectory

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Right.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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of the Apollo mission, the people that are actually talking to the astronauts and explaining to them what to say during the press conference, the people that are engineering the whole thing. And you could probably get away with doing something like that with a few hundred people. And you could get a few hundred people of high-ranking people that have top-secret clearance to keep their mouth shut.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5433.203

Have you ever seen the video footage of the astronaut hopping by the flag, and the breeze of him hopping by makes the flag wiggle? He doesn't touch the flag at all. The flag is completely stationary, and the astronaut hops by the flag, and as he hops by the flag, the flag wiggles.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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No, it wouldn't. There's no air.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Oh, we'll show it to you. It's weird. Listen, what you're saying is entirely correct. Everything you're saying is entirely reasonable and correct if they actually can get through the Van Allen radiation belts. If they can, this is stupid. This whole thing's stupid.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

547.091

It's just you can say frat boys are annoying and not hate men. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5474.7

But if they can't really do that and they never have done that and the only time they say they've done that is these missions, it gets real weird. And since they haven't done it since then, it gets real weird. And it's not just that. There's other video. It's not just the one where the guy's hopping by the flag.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5489.067

It's other ones where it looks like they're on wires, where they're being pulled up, where they fall down, they're being yanked up. The whole thing is weird. There's a lot of weirdness to the footage. The physics don't line up exactly the same.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5500.016

If you go to the early days of the Apollo 11 footage and you look at the difference between when they were playing golf and jumping around the moon, they move different. They cover more distance. It's like it looks different. They got better at it. They get better at filming it. They got better at whatever they're doing. And then there's the other question.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5520.954

Maybe they actually did do it, but the cameras weren't able to handle the radiation and the film, which, you know, you wouldn't even be able to send your film through the radar detector at the airport back then because it would get fucked up. You'd have to put it aside. Maybe the radiation space fucks up the film.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5536.081

So even though they did do it, they show you recreations or show you these test runs that they did and they film it because the actual film footage is impossible to obtain. That's possible, too. Hasselblad, who made the cameras, didn't put any special protection in these cameras.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5552.952

There was nothing about them that was unusual that would be able to withstand that kind of radiation and that kind of heat of deep space. Yeah. Steve, do you have that one where the guy walks by the flag and he hops around and it wiggles? I have it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5579.46

Plant flag. No, that's not it. What did you write? Astronaut flag. Type in astronaut hops by flag. Flag wiggles. Wiggles.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

559.06

If they did, it wouldn't make any sense.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5599.522

Astronaut hops by causing a breeze to move the flag. Okay, that's it right there. Click on that. That's it. That's the footage. Okay. So watch. So he's going to hop by. Okay. See that?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5616.91

Yeah, but he didn't. Look. Look at the distance. Look how far away he is from it. Pull it back again. See where he is? So he's in front. He's way in front of that thing. He hops by and it wiggles. I don't know. He's in the suit. The suit's pretty clunky. Yeah, but he's not close to it. Look at the perspective. Let's look at it in slow motion. So watch. He hops by. It just wiggles in the breeze.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5643.718

That's a breeze, dude. So that might not have actually happened on the moon, okay? That might be footage that they filmed in Nevada desert, and the footage they got on the moon got all fucked up, and so they tried to pass that off on people, and they thought no one would know. It doesn't necessarily mean we didn't go to the moon, but that does look weird. And it's just not one thing.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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If that was the only thing, you'd be like, oh, well, who knows? But there's a lot of them. He could have hit it. It's possible.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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That's the other... Well, I don't think they thought people would catch it. First of all, you're dealing with a time where there's no VHS tapes. There's no internet, right? So you show it on television once. You get to choose what gets shown and what doesn't get shown. You film a bunch of shit. That's how they got that footage of them inside the crap filming through that circular hole.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5701.196

Because they don't air everything on television, but you have archives. So you have all these archives and these kooks go through the archives and they find things like that. Okay, but that doesn't even mean that that was actual moon footage. That could have been some of the training footage.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It's good. It is persuasive. Definitely. But also he has a contract with NASA and he has to be very careful about what he says and does. And for him to say something incredibly insane, like we never went to the moon, even if he believes it. That would be a big risk with zero reward because there's no way to prove, as you've said, there's no way to prove that we didn't go to the moon.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5808.697

And to say that we didn't go to the moon is a kook take. What the fuck is wrong with you? You can say stupid things like that when you're a comedian who's a podcast host.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5818.082

But if you have contracts with NASA and you run SpaceX and you are legitimately making some of the greatest breakthroughs in space travel that human beings have ever known, like what they're doing with those falcons when they have them land, fucking insane. Insane. Come back and land. I mean, we've never been able to do that before. And it's all because of Elon.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5837.233

I mean, if he really is going to get people to Mars, something has got to be addressed eventually as to, you know, if they do it and they pull it off and it's easy and comfortable, okay, we probably did it in 1969. If they go to the moon and there's no problem going through the Van Allen radiation belts with no particular insulation other than what the spaceship had, maybe.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5862.551

Yeah, they probably did it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5889.28

99% against you? Yeah. Against your take. So most people think that we didn't go to the moon. It seems. Maybe that's your followers, bro. I think if you get the overall internet, it would go the other way. The overall internet, most people would think you're a kook for even entertaining the idea that we never went to the moon.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5913.436

Yes.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5934.701

Yeah, it's an American thing.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5947.805

I would tell you that one of our greatest achievements is faking the moon landing. I think it's an amazing achievement. I think it's an amazing achievement. It's akin to turning Kamala Harris into the most compelling presidential candidate since Barack Obama. There's things that they can do with propaganda and spin that are truly amazing.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

5967.236

And watching her become this celebrated character when just a few months ago everybody was upset that she was on the ticket. And, oh, my God, if Joe Biden dies and she becomes president, people are freaking out. Now all of a sudden everybody's like, yes, she should be president.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6016.758

Well, she certainly has charisma when she has planned speeches and she gets to read off a teleprompter and maybe that thing in her ear. What do you think about that? You think that's legit? It could be. You see the company has responded? Yeah. What did they say? They definitely didn't deny it, and they said it looks very close to what our device is. Really? Go to their website.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6039.204

It might be on their website. Somebody sent me something, and I just looked at it briefly, and I'm like, oh, this will probably come up today. I want to see it in real time. Because whatever the website is of the company that makes that thing, they've apparently addressed it on the website. But is that illegal? I don't know if it's illegal, but it's certainly incredibly unethical.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6065.742

Unethical, for sure. But also, if they pulled that off with earrings, like fucking amazing. And it would explain because she stayed on script really well. Amazingly well. Amazingly well. Does it say anything about the presidential debates? No. The company's definitely responded. Maybe it wasn't their website. Maybe it was social media. What is the name of the company? I'm pretty sure this is it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6093.067

Okay. Google Nova Audio Earrings response to presidential debate. Nova Audio Earrings response to presidential debates. Yes. Um, I might've been a troll. That's why I wanted to see it in real time to find out what the fuck it is, but see if there's a website where they responded. Cause I think they did respond. I could find it. I know I saved it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6124.654

Company says Kamala's earrings strikingly similar to its Bluetooth device. Okay. There it is. Strikingly similar to its Bluetooth device offers to make ones for Trump. Okay. Imagine if Trump starts wearing earrings. First of all, that would never work because you can't tell him what to do.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6147.27

It's not going to happen. He's free-balling. We do not know whether Mrs. Harris wore one of our products. The resemblance is striking. And while our product is not specifically developed for the use at presidential debates, it is nonetheless suited for it. Okay, there you go.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6164.609

To ensure a level playing field for both candidates, we are currently developing a male version and will soon be able to offer it to the Trump campaign. The choice of color is a bit challenging, though, as orange does not go well with a lot of colors. That company's funny. They're funny. That's a funny company.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6189.243

Yeah, right? Yeah, I mean, how crazy is the conspiracy theory that he didn't actually get shot? That he cut his ear like a pro wrestler?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

620.861

Well, this was something that, like, people are always concerned about people being racist. But there's something that happened in this country somewhere around 2012-ish where things really, really ramped up. And it just became... it just became much more of a subject, a subject that was like constantly around, you know, worrying about racial bias and, and it, and it ramped up, right.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6212.389

Right. Or not. You know, the thing is shrapnel could be a small piece of shrapnel. You know, shrapnel's not uniform, right? So if it hits a railing, which apparently there is some shot, there's some video footage of, because I think there was nine shots fired total.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6226.82

Was that what it was? Something like that. Something crazy like that. What about that, though? Trump sustained two-centimeter-wide gunshot wound to his ear. Okay.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6240.631

I saw holes from when I got my ears pierced. Oh, yeah, but that's different. That's a hole. This is a scratch. I've gotten my ears fucked up a bunch of times from jiu-jitsu, and they heal pretty quick. It's foreheads heal quick, ears heal quick. Things around your mouth heal really quick. There's parts of your body that have a lot of blood vessels and they heal pretty quick.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6260.399

He's old, which is odd for him not to have a scar. But it's not inconceivable that it could just scratch the surface and that would cause a lot of blood. Like if you get a forehead cut. Forehead cuts are crazy. It just pours blood down your face. But if you get a cut like on your knee, it doesn't even drip. You have to have a real cut on your knee to be dribbling blood down your shin.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6283.284

The forehead is filled with blood vessels, as I think are the tips of the ears. So I think it would bleed a lot, and it might be a minor injury that bleeds a lot, and it could heal in a few days.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6304.245

And people behind him, one guy died and other people got grievously injured, like terribly injured to the point where it's going to affect them for the rest of their life.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6329.629

In two weeks they stopped talking about it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6354.781

Well, as long as it's not in the news and it's not in the news, you don't care about it. Also, there was no press conference. So that's kind of crazy. There was no disclosure of all the information about this young man's prior history, what led him to this. They went to his apartment and it was professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in his place.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6376.756

There's also this bizarre thing where there's, you know how they get ad data where you can track where phones have been? Yeah. This one phone was going from outside of the FBI office in Washington, D.C. to where this kid is multiple times. So how did this kid get these explosive devices? How did he get up on the roof? How did they not flag him?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6400.208

And you see a guy walking around with a range finder a half an hour before the event. That guy is going to jail. Like what are you talking about? There's two reasons for a range finder. You're trying to shoot something or you're using it for golf. If you're not playing golf, then you're trying to shoot something. That's the only other reason for a range finder. And that was like three hours before.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6419.895

Yeah. They knew about that kid. They were aware that he was there. He somehow or another got on the roof with a rifle. The whole thing sucks. It stinks to high heaven. And then they cremate him. He's gone. They get his body. Someone snatches his body like five or six days after the event. And 10 days later, he's cremated. The whole thing is nuts. Who is this kid? Why did he do this?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6443.75

Why did some 20-year-old kid take shots at the president?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

6458.661

Not only that, think about how perfect it would have been for a plan to assassinate someone if you do get this lone, crazy kid... You give him whatever. I mean, there's been no toxicology examination of his body that's been released. Right. So who knows what the fuck this kid's on?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It ramped up to get to the point where you do have some of these race hustlers that are, saying everyone's racist. You must confront your unconscious bias. And you're just constantly hearing about it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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If you're going to try to convince someone to go shoot the former president, you'd probably dope him up with some crazy shit. Right. And then that would be in a system and they would be like be able to trace. OK, how do you get this? Let's let's talk to all the people that are on his cell phone, all the people that are in his email.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Let's investigate and find out where the fuck he got this stuff that he's on when he shoots at the president. You don't hear a peep out of that. So this guy somehow or another figures out how to get on the roof, take these shots, and then they kill him.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Now, if he shot and hit Trump, if Trump didn't turn his head at that pivotal moment where they're talking about it, and it's a headshot, Trump is dead, the world's in chaos, and this kid's dead seconds later. And then it's like that. Crazy kid who shoots the president, and that's it. And then, OK, now who's going to run as a Republican? The world's in chaos.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah, it would have been a perfect plan if that kid just pulled it off.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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No, it's insane. The whole story is insane. And the fact that it went away is even more insane. And the fact that there was a brief moment where even Biden was saying that we have to stop being so polarized and stop attacking each other and just try to help this country heal. And then a week later, fuck that guy.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Right. Well, I think you only want to address it once. And it's probably – look, he's got a great ability to push things aside. And it's one of the reasons why he didn't age like everybody else ages when they get into the White House. He kind of aged normal. He didn't seem any older when he got out as when he got in. He was the same guy.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And I think he's got this ability because so many people have hated him for so long. He gets attacked so often. He knows how to just shut it off and shut it out. And I think he probably did that with the assassination attempt too. It's one of the reasons why he said, I'm going to talk about it once and I'm not going to talk about it again.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And he's basically held to that other than briefly mentioning it, that he thinks he got shot in the head because of the way they talk about him, which I would agree. I mean, if we watch that, we've watched that footage right before the podcast of Trump on the Colbert show that apparently never aired. But Jamie says you can get it on Colbert's Web site.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It never aired on television. Is that true?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Well, because sometimes things get on YouTube that never air on television, like Fear Factor. The Fear Factor episode that got us canceled. You can't watch it on television. It would never air on NBC, but it's on YouTube. You can watch it on YouTube.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Okay, so he might have actually been a guest. Yeah, he did. Okay, so he was a guest on it. But the way they talk to him, the way Colbert talks to him, and the way they talk to him on The View. The View is my favorite one. The view is wild when they're all hugging him and everybody loves him.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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But everybody thought he was a joke back then.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Well, there's definitely this overcorrection. Robert Epstein talked about that. Robert Epstein has done all that work on Google and these ephemeral instances of interacting with Google where it shows you with search results and with news stories that get brought to your feed that they're temporary. You don't record them. So he records all these.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And what he has found through his research is that, especially with people that are on the fence – like people that are 50-50, you can swing 50-50 to 90-10. Like people that don't know who they're going to vote for, you can make it 90-10 just through these interactions with Google. It's really shocking. What do you mean 90-10 in what way?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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90-10, like say if you want Hillary to win or you want Trump to win, whatever candidate you choose, if you manipulate the search results, if you manipulate just the fill-in, you know, the suggestions, is Matt Walsh A, and then it just fills it in.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Just through that, just through the suggestions, they can manipulate it to a significant difference for people that are on the fence, that are independents or that are undecided. And he said you can take 50-50 and turn it to 90-10, which is fucking stunning. It's stunning.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It's terrifying and it's unregulated. And one of the things that happened was after Trump won in 2016, there was some sort of a meeting at Google where they were openly talking about this. And they were talking about, we can't let this happen again, which is such a crazy thing to say, that we can't let the people decide who they want to be president again.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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If that is what they said, if that is what they – and let's find out what the actual quote was. I could see how someone would say that if they worked at an insurance company and they're a pro diehard Democrat, blue no matter who, and they were like, we can't let this happen again. I could see how you say that if you're just an individual voter who doesn't really have an impact.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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But if you're someone who can shift undecided voters from 50-50 to 90-10, as Robert Epstein is alleging, if that's true – That's a crazy thing to say because you're deciding you're going to decide the result of the election. And you don't give a fuck about debate and free speech and people being able to decide for themselves because you think that you're right.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And you think everybody else should agree with you.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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When I talk to some of my hardcore lefty friends that are still left in L.A. that I was telling you about before, they say we. They say we all the time. We have to win this. They say that all the time. We can win if this happens. They say that kind of shit. And they talk about it like they're talking about the Dodgers. They really do. They talk about it like they're talking about our team.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And they're connected to all these other people in their community and they're all on this team. And it's weird, man. It's a weird little hack. It's just like hypnosis. It's weird that you can just do that to people.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It's weird that you can get people to just ideologically be captured and join this team and lose all ability to look at things objectively and just understand nuance and understand the influence of propaganda. And like, how many people are spending money on this? Like, why is all the news have this one specific narrative? And then Fox News is a totally different. What is going on here?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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And nobody does that.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

7128.7

Do you remember when Mitt Romney and Barack Obama debated? It was the most cordial, professional, respectful discussion of the issues and who could do a better job. Kind of amazing. Kind of amazing that that was – what was that, 2012?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Kind of amazing.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

7198.904

You can't be yelling out, oh, baby girl. You're a congresswoman. This is crazy. And they're making fun of each other's wigs. Google versus Trump leaked video reveals executives' negative reactions to Trump's 2016 election victory. So what is the actual quote?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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So he's saying here, hold on. He's saying here most people are pretty upset and sad because of the election. Imagine that, most people. Like, how do you know? Myself, as an immigrant and a refugee, I certainly find this election deeply offensive. And I know many of you do, too. I think it's a very stressful time, and it conflicts with many of our values. So scroll up. What else does he say?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I don't have very high hopes, but he could do anything. You have no idea. Maybe he will do something great. Who knows? Take a little bit of wishful thinking.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Well, that's bias right there, saying that most of us are upset, right? For over 20 years, everyone at Google has been able to freely express their opinions at these meetings. Nothing was said at that meeting or any other meeting. to suggest that any political biases ever influences the way we build or operate our products. So this is Google's official statement. So what else did he say, though?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Because the thing that Robert was alleging, that he was saying we're going to make sure it doesn't happen again.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Right.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I think a lot of us would agree this election was particularly hard. He said there was a lot of rhetoric.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah. Well, that's what elections are.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Did you see the conversation where this woman was talking to someone from Trump's team, saying, worried that he was going to weaponize the judicial system once he got into office, that if he got into office, he would weaponize the judicial system and go after his enemies? Oh, wow. And he says, like, what... I can't imagine. What are you saying?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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For you saying that and asking whether or not Trump would do that... You have to acknowledge the fact that that's absolutely happening to him right now. And then she tries to push back against it and he does a brilliant job of explaining how she's incorrect. I'm going to find this, Jamie, because this is a good one. Unless you could find it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It's so hard to find things that you save on these little social media platforms. See if you can find it, Jamie. No, it was from a conversation between someone in the Trump administration, someone on his team. And I know I can find it if you just give me a second.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah, that's her argument is that Trump is going to weaponize the political system. And, you know, this guy saying, how are you even saying that without admitting that he that they're doing that right now to him? God damn it, I'm not going to find it. I don't know where I saved it. Sorry.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Every time I type it in, all I see is stuff about Trump saying he would use... I know, but that's because of Google, and that's why what's-his-face is correct. God, I know I saved it. Shit.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

7511.226

No, well, he didn't do that when he was in office. He could have done that to Hillary. He said he thought it would be a bad look.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah, probably when you think about what he actually did when he was in office. But that's why it gets weird. It's like because they can say something and it can be not true. But yet enough people repeat it. And then it just becomes a narrative that everyone just I mean, like it's true that he's a convicted felon now. But is it true that it's that it makes any sense? No.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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For you to say that he's a convicted felon. Like, OK, right. But what did he do? Do you know what he did? What he did is a misdemeanor. And it also had lapsed the, you know, whatever the fuck it is where you. Statue of limitations. Statue of limitations. Thank you. So and there's 34 counts for a bookkeeping.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Right. They don't care. So they just repeat that thing that he's a convicted felon. I can't find this goddamn thing. It's driving me nuts because it was really interesting. I hate when I save something and I don't know where I put it, but I know I do.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Well, it's just we're in the weirdest time where people are willing to believe bullshit. It's not as simple as being able to recognize bullshit. They recognize it. They have it right in front of them, and they're willing to believe it because it's more convenient to believe it. Yeah. All right. I can't find it. I'm giving up right now.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah, I know they have. But this one was really interesting because you see this guy combat it. And the way he combats it is so interesting to see her squirm. Because, yeah, that's exactly what they're doing. I mean, it's not a terrible crime that he committed. And you're making it seem as if it's... something that he deserves to be in jail for the rest of his life for. And that's crazy.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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That's a crazy thing to say. And that might actually happen if he doesn't become president. If he doesn't become president, they might actually lock him up for 25 years for that, which is essentially the rest of his life will be behind bars at Rikers.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah, you don't know. It's just so hard to tell what people would or wouldn't do today. It's just the whole country seems so committed to their side. And I don't know what a solution to that is, and I don't know how we get past this and whether Trump wins or loses. Like, what happens? What happens next?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

7776.049

It will radicalize people on the right.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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But if he does get in office, then it gets very interesting because then it's like, what can he do now? Like how much different is his take on it now? Because one of the things that he said is the first time he got in, he didn't know anything about governing.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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He's like, I had to find people and I picked some of the wrong people, but I know better now and I could do a better job of it now, which kind of makes sense. Because if I wanted to talk to him, one of the things I really want to ask is what is it like? The first when you actually get in there, they don't think you're going to be in there. And now all of a sudden you're the actual president.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Like, what is the resistance like? What are the communications like? What can you say about how you have these conversations with these people and how you how you govern, how you get things done? Yeah, how much power do you actually have? What is it actually like?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Because we all have this sort of mystical view of what it's like to be the actual president, but very few people, and only one ever that's not a part of the system has ever snuck through and attained that position. It's only him.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It's also going to be very interesting to see what do they do to try to prevent this from happening in the future?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Because one of the things that has been discussed is cracking down on misinformation and that free speech doesn't include misinformation, which is a wild thing to say after what we just went through with COVID, where what people were saying was misinformation turned out to be 100 percent true. And not just about COVID, but about a bunch of things. Hunter Biden laptop story.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

7996.522

There's quite a few different things you could point to. Like, who the fuck gets to decide what's information? Only the government? You guys? The people that have lied about basically everything? This is a crazy thing to say and to be running on that and to get people to support that.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Just the lack of understanding of what it means to be able to freely express ideas and communicate and whistleblowers. Whistleblowers from corporations that are telling you about something they're doing that's illegal. Whistleblowers from government agents that are telling you they're spying on you when it's illegal. All that shit.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8028.98

To have that be filtered through the government is an insane position. And yet that's something that they talk about. And this is something bizarrely that the left supports.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Exactly. And it's like a childish view of truth and lies. It's childish. Because one of the only ways that people find out if something is correct or not is let someone say something that's incorrect. And then someone who knows a lot more comes along and corrects them. Right. Yeah. That's, that's how it works.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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You know, like I had a Terrence Howard, you know, Terrence Howard, the actor, brilliant guy, but wrong about a lot of the things that he thinks he's right about. I brought him in with Eric Weinstein and Eric Weinstein, who's a genius, like a legitimate genius and a mathematician explained him like very patiently and carefully. This is why you're wrong. And this is what you need to know.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8108.54

And you've got some good ideas, but you're off on all these different things. I'm an actual expert. And let me help you out here. And so anybody who saw Terrence Howard talk on the first podcast had this idea. Like, oh, wow, maybe he's right about all these things. Anybody who saw the second podcast with Eric, where Eric clearly corrects him and actually knows what he's talking about.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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He's a brilliant guy. Now you have a, that's what free speech is supposed to be about. That's what it's supposed to be about. An actual expert comes and corrects everything. And then you have this look at it like, okay, now I see. Now it's been, but it's not silence Terrence Howard because he doesn't know what the fuck he's saying. No, it's like let him talk.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Now let someone who really knows what they're talking about explain to him why he's wrong. That's the benefit of free speech. And everybody who listens to that has a better understanding of all these different really weird, complex things that they're discussing that maybe otherwise you would never have illuminated in that way. You'd never really be able to understand it.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah, it's complicated, and this childish idea that just handed over to the government to clean it up, that's not the answer. It is complicated. There are going to be people that say a bunch of things that aren't true. But the way to combat that is not put the government in charge of what's true, especially when they've been wrong so many times or they've just out and out lied so many times.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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That's a crazy position for the left to take, the ones who are supposed to be the party of science and reason and the ones who are supposed to be the most educated. It's just a bizarre perspective just because you don't want Trump to win. You don't want this to happen again.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8282.742

It is ridiculous, but it's also a really goofy label that you can slap on basically anything. Like hate speech can get to the point where if you call Caitlyn Jenner Bruce Jenner, that's hate speech. That's dead naming. Dead naming falls under hate speech. And so what are you saying? You can't do that? Well, that's fucking ridiculous. I can call him a cunt, but I can't say his name is Bruce.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8304.273

That's insanity. What world are we living in where you can decide what someone can and can't say by a label? It's such a net you're casting. Hate speech, it's completely subjective. Anyone can decide what's hate speech.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8331.15

Right. And it makes things all equal to something like very benign versus something truly awful. It's all under this one stupid umbrella of hate speech.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8342.07

Where do you think we would be if Elon hadn't bought Twitter?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8370.25

And literally one of the most significant human beings historically ever. Right. He's like a Nikola Tesla type character that people are going to be talking about 100 years from now.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8390.986

I mean, not only that, like he made this tweet about how it damaged the ionosphere that when it blew up. But do you know that that like heals up in like 40 minutes? You didn't even bother looking into that. Every time they punch a rocket through that shit, it damages it. But it heals. It's like you punch a hole through a cloud.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

841.9

Well, I think it's because it's just like a religious ideology. Like when the Taliban started blowing up those ancient statues of Buddhas. Do you remember that? Yeah. Because like they could... They destroyed things that were a part of human history that we would have studied for thousands of years. And they destroyed them because they didn't go along with their religious ideology.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I mean, they have a lot of them blow up. That's what you have to do until you get one that doesn't blow up.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8453.575

Yeah, but that's okay. That's okay, too.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8456.859

You know, if that's what Stephen King wants to do today, let him go. Who cares? You know, it's interesting to watch. All of it is interesting to watch. You know, there's a lot of people out there that are fools, and they serve as education to others. You see the folly in their actions and behaviors and how stupid they look and how ridiculous this whole thing is, and it's there for you.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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You learn from those people. You have a better understanding of human behavior. You have a better understanding that people are capable of, you know, being really interesting, intelligent people, but also being buffoons at the same time.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8496.289

and that we're all subject to all these various influences, and especially through the use of social media, which just, like I said before, it's an anxiety-creating machine. And there's so many of these people that are attached to it that are so deeply rooted in these online conversations and so disconnected from the natural world. And it's odd. It's odd to watch. But they're there for you.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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They're there for an education, an understanding, a greater understanding of the weird nuances of human thinking. Because that's genuinely what this whole thing is all about. All the ideologies and all the left and the right and immigrants are great and immigrants are terrible and they're eating ducks.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8534.844

All of it is just human thinking, trying to figure out what's the correct and incorrect way that we all cohabitate and what's the best way for all of us to sort of get along.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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You have to use it the right way.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8568.65

They're going to get bullied.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8572.172

They're going to get bullied. How old are your kids? Our oldest are 11. That's young enough. They shouldn't have social media. Yeah, I agree with you there. But as they get into the high school ages, I think it's a new world. We're navigating it. They should learn how to navigate it, too.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8587.398

I think it is very addictive, but also there's people that know how to walk away from it and know how to self-regulate, and I think that's a valuable skill that I think everyone's going to have to learn.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

862.732

And I think part of the woke thing is this religious ideology that has to be followed. And you cannot stray from the lines. You have to stay inside whatever this ideology is promoting and telling you what to do. And one of the things was that you had to take down all these statues of terrible people.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8649.386

I think we're going to look at it 20, 30 years from now the same way we look at people smoking. I think we're going to think, what were we doing? What were we doing giving kids those goddamn phones? What did we do? We don't even know what the kids of today who are on the internet who are subject to the same sort of horrific images that you and I were talking about earlier.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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What is that doing to people long term? I never got exposed to anything like that when I was seven. How many kids are getting exposed to murder videos when they're 10 years old? Probably quite a few. Pornography. Yeah. Oh, that's the craziest one, right? Because that was a hard thing to get. It was difficult. When I was a boy, we'd find magazines in the woods. You knew a guy who had a VHS tape.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8691.901

Oh, my God. It was crazy. No one can find it. Now, kids have it on their phones, and it's instantaneous. You have 5G on your phone. You can go to any porn site anytime you want.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8729.408

Well, you know, we had the guys on from that Chimp Crazy show. You know that new show on HBO where the people have pet chimps?

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8737.15

Crazy. It's the same guys who did Tiger King. Oh. And it's amazing. It's on Max. It used to be HBO. And one of the things they said is that chimps get addicted to pornography.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8748.193

Yeah. They get addicted to pornography and they watch it all the time. Like these certain chimps that get older, they give them iPads, they give them phones, and they show them, you know, they get on the internet. And if someone shows them pornography, they get addicted to pornography. That's crazy. That's crazy. And they start sexualizing human beings.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Yeah, it's weird.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

8828.338

And the addictions to phones, which we all have, then the addictions to social media, which a lot of people have, and then you get these weird insulated groups that live in echo chambers, and that's, I think, one of the things you highlight the most about this show, this Am I Racist film that you made, is the struggle sessions where these people all get... The first scene where you...

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

884.005

And I remember Trump saying at the time, well, the problem with that is, like, eventually they're going to take down George Washington. And everybody thought he was crazy. Like, that's a crazy thing to say. But once they got past Civil War people, then they got to who owned slaves.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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before they know who you are when you're you're going and it's sitting there and and talking to these people about these things like who are you like where do you live how do you think like this like what is going on in your life you've been exposed to this version of the world that seems so ridiculous to someone who's not in that bubble so ridiculous that it seems fake it seems like you're doing like a borat thing

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

897.869

And then they got to taking down – they wanted to take down statues of Thomas Jefferson and eventually did get to George Washington.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It's a great scene. They called the cops. When the guy is saying, he's trying to hold your hand, trying to grab you, and you're like, I do not consent to be touched. He's like, I'm not going to touch you. I'm just going to answer your questions. Come, I'll answer your questions.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

9073.672

Yeah. Well, it was very funny at the end too. We tried to get people – spoiler alert – tried to get people to self-flagellate. Yeah. Well, there's – And just a few people are like, that's it, I'm out.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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We lost a lot of people. And yes, who's the most racist person in the room.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

9168.57

It's a great movie, man. And it's just like What is a Woman in sort of the same vein of just it almost feels like satire. But you realize it's not. It's just ridiculous. But you do a great job. And you do a really good job of staying calm and deadpanning. Because I don't have that skill. I would not be able to hold it together. I would have to start laughing. At some point in time, I would crack.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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I wouldn't be able to not enjoy it in the moment. That's the thing.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

9325.219

The kookiest version.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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There's like a feel that you have when you go into it. Like if I was there and I didn't know you, I'd be like, I think this guy's fucking around. There's just an edge, just a touch of it, just a touch of it that makes it even funnier because you're hanging in there and you're being dead planned.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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But there's some moments where like one of my favorite moments was you asked Robin DiAngelo what mansplaining was. And then when she gave you a definition and you mansplained her, you corrected her. And she didn't even pick up with what you just did. Yeah. I was proud of that. It's very subtle. It's very subtle. I was stretching when I was watching that, just laughing really loud.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Because it was like, you just... Oh, my God.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Right, right. So what can she say? Well, listen, man, congratulations. It's really funny. It's great. And I think it's a great way to expose how ridiculous some of this shit is. You can expose it by being angry and yelling and arguing with people on Twitter. But to do it the way you did it and just make it a hilarious hour and a half movie is really good. So kudos.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Congratulations. All right. Tell everybody where they can see it. It's on dailywire.com. Actually, it's in theaters.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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Nice.

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#2204 - Matt Walsh

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It's very funny, folks. All right. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate it. Thank you. Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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I think you're the perfect person to ask this about. How do you feel about private prisons?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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But we were talking about what would you do?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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What would be your dream job?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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But you were talking about criminal justice reform because like who would know about it more than you?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Yeah.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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That makes a lot of sense.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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How much of an effort, once you actually get inside, is there to rehabilitate you?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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But is it all self-motivated? If you do want to improve yourself, it's self-motivated.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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But there's no guidance in terms... Do you get counseling?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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So that is guidance in some way.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Well, in your situation, you.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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And also no motivation to try to improve yourself or to figure out why you got in there.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Yeah. Listen, man, you had a wild life, and I'm glad you're out. Thank you. And I'm glad I listened to you on Tucker, and I got a different sense of who you were than what the narrative was that I saw over the media. Obviously, I don't know what happened, but I think you're a good dude, and I enjoyed talking to you.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Thank you. God bless you, too. And this book, is it done? Is it almost done? Do you have a publisher? We kind of glossed over that a little bit, but-

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Do you have an audio version that you're going to do?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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You'll do it, right? Absolutely. All right, thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Well, that's the same thing as like the grab them by the pussy comment. It's like guys talk like that. It doesn't mean they mean it. Guys talk like that all the time for fun. It's not, you know, you could say it's misogynist. It's this. It's just shit talking. It's what guys do. And they know that the other person doesn't mean it. That's why it's funny to say.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Yeah, we like joking around about stuff like that.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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It's fun. And the object. And everybody would laugh. And even if you never did anything or never even intended to do anything, you'd say something like that to get a rise out of your friends.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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And that context aspect of it is very important because there is such a difference between a statement and someone tapping a phone while people are having a private conversation and talking shit. There's just, and did they read it or play it when you said that?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Yeah.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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People talk shit like you can't pretend that that's what they actually mean. You know, it's one thing if you get someone planning a crime, but everyone knows that people talk that way. You just pretend they don't because they don't a professional setting.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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So if you just went along with whatever they asked and didn't ask for any political bartering, you think nothing would have came of this?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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If they came to you and said Obama would like you to put this person in as senator, if you just agreed to it, you think none of this would happen?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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sir i'm good nice to meet you i really enjoyed you on tucker carlson show shout out to tucker uh it was a very eye-opening podcast and you know uh whenever someone is uh convicted of you know any any political figure any person of power that's uh convicted of corruption you automatically assume that they're guilty and after listening to you on tucker show i was like oh jesus like

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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So they want to scare you by putting you in with dangerous people.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Yeah, there's multiple things that have changed our timeline. And one of the big ones is him being elected because that means they dropped those cases and all that weaponizing of the justice system didn't work. If it did work. That is such an insanely dangerous precedent to set.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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When you see things like the documents case or the real estate case, which is the most disgusting one, pretending that Mar-a-Lago, that somehow or another someone was a victim because he overvalued Mar-a-Lago even though he paid all those loans back and the banks profited from it. There was no victim at all.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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and yet they fined him this fucking insane amount of money and tried to say that Mar-a-Lago was worth $18 million. That is just such a slap in the face of anybody that understands, first of all, anybody that understands property values in that area, that's preposterous to say that place is only $18 million.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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It's a fucking enormous property and the most expensive real estate in the United States, or one of the most expensive places for real estate. There was just so many of these cases over and over and over again that just right in everyone's face, And very little pushback, no pushback from the media at all.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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They went along with it as if these 34 felonies for a bookkeeping error that is essentially a misdemeanor that's past the statute of limitations. And now you're marking it up as a felony, but you can't even identify the felony. The whole thing is madness. And all these news organizations... because they don't like Trump are going along with this insanely dangerous precedent.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Because if that goes through, well, what happens if Republicans get into office and you have some new Democrat that you really love, and this Democrat is a real challenge and a threat to the Republican, and they start doing the same fucking shit that you did? Is that what you want? You want us to be a banana republic just because you don't like Trump?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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I mean, it just shows you how many people were willing to sacrifice all of their ethics All the things that they believe in, what the Bill of Rights stands for, what the Constitution stands for, fuck all that. We don't want this guy to win. Throw it all away. And then you throw everything away. Then we have no freedom of speech. We have no nothing. It's all gone.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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The whole thing is so mind-boggling how short-sighted people are in the name of wanting their side to win.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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And what did they expect you to do? They expect you to just take a sentence, a lower sentence, right? Confess. What did they offer you?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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What were they accusing this company of?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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And what was the accusation? What were they trying to get them on?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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About what, though?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Yeah.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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I saw the smartest men in the room.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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That documentary, like, jeez. Anybody who doesn't believe in conspiracies, watch that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Oh, really?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Wow.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Really? So they're protected.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Because the thing that people always loved about pedophiles going to jail is like, oh, there's going to be some jail justice.

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How did they justify you being in this high-security prison? Like why would they put you in with pedophiles and murderers and gangbangers? Why would they do that? Obviously to squeeze you, but how do they pass that through?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Boy, that's a time where podcasts would have come in handy.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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So you can't talk about what's on those tapes unless it comes from your own personal recollection. Right. So you can talk about the tapes. You just can't play them. Correct. And you can't quote them.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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But at least you could have laid out your version of it so people could hear it. And it would put pressure on them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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The problem with those shows is it's such a short segment. That's right. Exactly. You don't have enough time to lay out the environment, how it works, what really goes on in politics, what's normal for how these deals are made.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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So this person that Obama wanted, whatever happened to that person?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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He does it a lot. Balanoff, this guy, what would be his motivation for saying that Obama wanted you to do that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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And so that Obama never said anything about it, but Rahm Emanuel said something to him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Interesting theory. So what's day one like in prison?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Have you published this book yet?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Well, you saw that the head of the FBI just stepped down.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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And Kash Patel is going to come in and he wants to clean house. Let's take it back to the beginning. So I know they were bugging your phones, but you kind of knew they were bugging your phones, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Day one, do you have hope it's going to be overturned in an appeal? What are you thinking when you get in there?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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The mob was involved in that.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Rightly so.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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A deal's a deal, right?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Why did they want you to do it?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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So what was the first charge that was brought against you? Or if you could just bring us back to the moment when you knew they were coming after you.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Wow.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Well, was it because that guy was so respected?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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So how did you get into the Bible? Because that was a big part of your conversation with Tucker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Fuck.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Do you think there's anything you could have done that would have gotten you out of all of this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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But what about if you just, when they came to you with that senator, if you said, sure, we'll hook that up.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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That's what I think they did. So it's a lot of chess.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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There's a lot of moves and counter moves and people are used as pawns.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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So everybody knows how the game is played, so everybody has to play the game.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Isn't it kind of the same thing? I mean, that's what they do whenever anybody gets in trouble in Hollywood.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Well, that's just cowards. There's a lot of cowards. And a lot of people have a reason to be cowards. It's fearful. They're scared. It's a dangerous system, especially the justice system. It seems very dangerous. And this is not to malign people. Good people because there's there's I know people I've met people in the FBI. I met great people in the CIA. I know them. They're great people.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Balances.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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This is why there has to be checks and balances and there has to be oversight to keep people from their own devices, to keep people from their own horrible instincts that we have as human beings, especially if you've done some shady shit because other people have done some shady shit and that's how everybody sort of worked their way up the ladder and then all of a sudden you get to a position where like, hey, you're going to have to do something that you really don't agree with, but this is how the game is played and then next thing you know...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Rod's in jail.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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It was such an eye-opening podcast and such a disappointing one, too. It was so disturbing to hear your version of the story, which was so different than the version that was put out on the media. And it was just, oh, corrupt politician goes to jail. He went to jail. He must be guilty. And then you hear your take on it. You're like, oh, God. It's very disturbing.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

4011.643

Yeah. Well, and I think a lot of people go into, whether it's politics or law enforcement or into the federal government. There's a lot of people that go into it with very good intentions, but then you see over time they get corrupted by the environment that they're in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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I mean, especially corrupt law enforcement. Did you ever see that documentary? What is it? District 75? Is it Precinct 75? Yeah.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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The 5-7. Is that what it is? The 7-5 or the 5-7? There's a gentleman named Mike Dowd. We had him on the podcast as well. 7-5. 7-5. 7-5. On first day... He's a cop. He watches the cops kill a guy. And they essentially say to him, he jumped, right? And he's like, okay, he jumped. It's like one of those situations where like, okay, I guess this is this business that I'm a part of now.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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I wanted to be a cop. Now I'm a cop. And then he runs with it. Next thing you know, he's selling drugs and kidnapping people. It's a fucking crazy documentary. He's a fun guy. I mean, obviously did terrible things, went to jail, but the documentary is so fucking crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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The 7-5, right? The 5-7? 7-5. 7-5. 7-5. You just told me. That's it. That's the documentary. Michael Dowd. Yeah. It's fantastic. It's a really good documentary. And, you know, you just realize, like, Jesus. Obviously, the... Cocaine Crisis in Miami is another great example of that. And one of the best documentaries about that is Cocaine Cowboys. Fantastic documentary. I can't recommend it enough.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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One graduating class of the police academy in Miami, they all either went to jail or were murdered. The entire graduating class. Yeah. That's how corrupt it was. It was just off the charts, cocaine and money everywhere, chaos and murder everywhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Oh, they definitely were. They were dirty cops.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Well, I think you got the most out of that horrific situation in that regard, right? And sometimes you have to experience horrific tragedy to experience incredible love. That's a weird thing to think of. But I think this battle that we have constantly with good and evil and It's a real thing. Sometimes in your darkest, deepest moments is when you recognize a truth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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There's something there that we all... Every culture believes in a higher power. It's very strange, isn't it? Almost every culture? Almost every culture has some sort of belief system about a higher power. It's something you could say...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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You could be very cynical and you could say that's just human beings looking for order in an orderless, chaotic place and that your creativity and your inquisition, your inquisitive nature rather, leads you to constantly search for a daddy in the sky. You could say that.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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But I've talked to too many people that have had these sort of like you've had these breakthrough moments in life where you come into contact with something by opening yourself up to it. And it's so cynical just to disregard that. Everybody wants to pretend that they're smarter than they really are. It's a terrible trait that we all have.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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And that prevents you from, especially secular people, atheists, people that are like acknowledged atheists, prevents you from even considering the idea that there's something to this that you're not getting. And your simple little mind, your desire for order and to look at this and go, no, you just live and you die. You don't really know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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You should probably listen to some people that have had profound experiences. Because there's been a lot of them. And there's been a lot of them throughout human history. And to just completely dismiss them as all nonsense, it's just like that's such a cynical perspective on human beings. And then there's also the fact that

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Look, I'm not saying bad things haven't been done in the name of religion, because they most certainly have. People have been slaughtered, wars have been started, people have been demonized and othered to the point where you're allowed to kill them because they believe the wrong thing. It's not universally good.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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But it's a scaffolding for ethics and morals that I think shapes society in a way that's not really possible with just anarchy. You need law and order. You need something you believe in. That's what keeps us together. I mean, you could be a brilliant, intelligent person who's just unusually compassionate and live your whole life without religion and still be an excellent contributor to society.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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God, the people that I've met. And one of the things about coming to Texas is I meet so many avowed Christians. So many really proud and intelligent and vocal religious people. And they're some of the nicest people you could ever meet. Like a real Christian. Like I've met some real Christians. Like my friend Alan who runs a homeless rehabilitation community here in Austin.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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It's like the guy is just a real Christian. I mean he lives with these people. That's right. He's just like really walking the walk. He's not doing it for money. He doesn't have a mega church. He doesn't drive a Rolls Royce. He's a regular person who really is acting – like the Christian from the Bible, like the best example of a Christian from the Bible.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Yeah, there's a lot of us that are false prophets.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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We talk about that. We talked about that in terms of psychedelics the other day. There's spiritual narcissism.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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I think the same sort of spiritual narcissism that encompasses these preachers that talk in front of stadiums full of people and fly private jets and drive Rolls Royces, that's the same sort of thing as a guru who wants to take you to the jungle to give you drugs or someone who wants you to join their sex cult or someone who wants you to join their yoga thing where no one works anymore and you all grow your own food and this is your guru.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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There's a shit ton of documentaries on these folks here. No doubt. That's the false prophet. It's a danger. It's a real danger that we have in looking for someone smarter than us. It's a normal pattern of behavior from tribal societies. All tribal societies had the wisest person who was the leader. This is the person that everybody trusted. He's the guy with the most scars.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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He knows where the food is. He knows how to get the fuck away from the enemies. He knows how to keep order, and he's reasonable in how he governs the village until someone overthrows him. That's your guy and we have this hierarchy that we look for in everything You know, we really do we look for it in all sorts of things and if we find it in a false prophet We'll go with it.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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There's something I bought a building out here, you know My my podcast or my comedy club is in a place called the Ritz theater. It's this beautiful theater from 1927 but before that I had bought another building that was owned by a cult and It was a building called the One World Theater. I didn't buy it. I was under contract for it.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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I spent a bunch of money and got out of it because I watched the documentary on the cult. And I was like, oh, my God. It was a guy who was a gay porn star and a hypnotist who started this cult in West Hollywood. And then after Waco popped off, this guy had to escape from West Hollywood because they were looking for him.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Because, you know, the cult awareness network and they started, you know, after Waco, they're like, Jesus Christ, how many of these cults are out there? They were targeting this guy. So he changed his name. moved to Austin, and built this theater.

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And the cult had already disbanded a bunch, and my friend Ron White, the comedian, told me, because he had performed it, he turned it into a concert venue, this theater, that this guy had his cult followers build him so he could dance in front of them. It's a beautiful 300-seat theater, gorgeous place. And this is the same thing.

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It's just a person who convinced all these other people that he had the answers. And he was a hypnotist. He was really good at fucking with people and really good at like talking people into certain states of mind. And they all believed in him and they wasted decades of their life. That's literally in the Bible. That's a false prophet.

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No, no, I don't care. I'm happy now that people don't know who I am.

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So you went to jail before iPhones?

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Wow. What a fascinating blip in time that is, if you really look at it in terms of impactfulness, like a piece of technology that completely changed the world.

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That might be one of the most, that's bigger than the laptop, I think. I think it's the most impactful. I think the invention of the iPhone is probably one of the most impactful things human beings have ever created. Not necessarily in a great way, but sometimes in a great way.

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You know?

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There's a lot of great things about it, but the invention of the smartphone is, for all good or bad, you missed it. And that's really crazy.

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Hold that thought.

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It does. Do you think the experience of being in jail as horrible as it is made you a better person?

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Sometimes that's what bites people in the ass. I always say that about Trump. That's also why he kept running, even though everybody was coming after him. You have to be a very particular type of person that has all those legal cases thrown at him. I mean, if he lost and he lost those cases and then he lost the run for presidency, he very well might wind up in jail.

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They can't have him at 82 years old trying again. They're not interested because he became more popular. When he was gone than when he was president and people sort of like towards the end of the four years of Biden had like completely reversed. So many of my friends, me included, completely reversed how they looked at him.

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And then also a lot of it was getting exposed to watching how this propaganda machine marches in step with. all throughout the media with everything. You know, me in particular, having turned on me during the COVID years for being someone who got healthy without taking the vaccine and they wanted to get me removed from Spotify. I'm like, this is crazy. This is wild to watch.

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And that was, you know, minor league stuff compared to what happened to him and certainly compared to what happened to you. But just, I think people are less likely to believe mainstream narratives now because And we're so fortunate we have other ways, like Tucker's show where I saw you, like things that aren't approved.

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I mean, look, when Tucker was on Fox News, I'm sure there was a lot of things that he wanted to cover that he couldn't. Like there was no way when he was on Fox News he could have interviewed that guy who says he blew Obama. This guy, Tucker Carlson is such a wild boy. He's got a guy on for like, how long was that podcast?

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Find out how long the Tucker Carlson podcast was with the guy who claims he blew Obama. Because just even being able to sustain a conversation with a guy who wants to talk about smoke and crack and blowing Obama... How many minutes can you do? I want to know. I'd be hard-pressed to think I could squeeze an hour out of that guy. Like, what the fuck are you going to talk about?

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How long is that podcast? All right, he hung in there as long as he could. But my point is, again, I'm not standing up for him having that guy on. I'm not saying that was a good thing. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, that's what he wanted to do. I watched a little of it. So that's Tucker with no one telling him what to do.

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The Tucker Carlson show, he does whatever he wants, he interviews whoever he wants, he comes up with the questions he wants, he has real conversations that didn't fucking exist before. And now that it does exist, and a guy like Tucker, who was the number one guy in news to begin with, now he's independent.

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along with independent journalists like Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi and Barry Weiss and Glenn Greenwald. You have all these people that are honest. And you know they're honest. They're always honest. They're always giving you the full version of the truth. And again,

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Spread like wildfire and then you look at the narratives that you see in mainstream media and like you're leaving so much out You don't you're not talking about that. You're not talking about what why people were upset and I'll talk about what started it You're not talking about the government intervention.

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It was behind it all in the first place and I was a planned organization and I think they leave out everything because that's not what they're supposed to do what they're supposed to do is sell as many stories as they can but stay within a very confined narrative and

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And most of that narrative is heavily progressive, left-leaning until that's not popular anymore. And when that falls out of favor, folks, when that becomes non-profitable, they're going to go the other way. The country will move more right. It'll be more right in the media even if it becomes profitable.

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And the fact that there's these rules. We should have rules that apply across the board if we wanna progress as society. And one of those rules, the most important rule, the reason why it's the First Amendment, you have to be able to talk about things. You're gonna get things wrong. You're gonna be poorly informed. You're gonna have biased opinions.

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Hopefully, someone who is more informed has a more objective and more honest opinion, more accurate opinion, and then hopefully you're strong enough that resonates with you and you can put your ego beside you and go, you know what? This is me wanting to be right. This is my ego. The correct thing is what these people are saying.

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Let me tell you why I thought what I thought and how I was wrong and apologize. And that doesn't mean you're weak. It just means you, like everyone else in the world, sometimes is wrong about things. Like, I have a friend of mine. I don't want to say his name. Very, very nice guy. One of the smartest fucking people I know. And I have these fascinating conversations with him.

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And then one day, he tried to explain to me why something works in the UFC, why something else doesn't work anymore. I go, stop. Because stop, you're going to ruin my opinion of you. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Don't say this. Don't say this to me. I've been working for the UFC for 25 fucking years. Don't say this to me. You don't know what you're saying.

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You're saying nonsense. He's like, really? I go, yes. This is total nonsense. Here's an example why it's nonsense. This guy violates that rule. You can't tell. There's a specific group of movements that are all designed to fuck people up. Any one pattern can be successful given the individual and his abilities and his competency in whatever skill set that is. There's no one skill set.

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You can't run around saying one skill set trumps all. It doesn't work like that anymore.

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This is brilliant people. So this is a brilliant person talking out of his ass.

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Also, they like to be smart. Smart people like to be smart. Exactly. They want to be the smartest guy in the world. Always. They're smart about some things. There's only a term for that. where like really intelligent people erroneously believe they're intelligent about everything.

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It's like that.

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Yes, of course.

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Yes. Dunning-Kruger effect. That's right. Cognitive bias when individuals with high competence in one area overestimate their knowledge and abilities in unrelated fields. Yeah, it's exactly what it is. Well, I don't have that problem. It's super common with people that are very good at things.

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People that are very good at things, any one thing, like if you're a wizard at basketball, you probably think you're way better at playing pool than you really are.

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There's a lot. Like, I'm the fucking man. Sure. If you're a guy who's just cracking home runs every day and someone wants to play ping pong, like, motherfucker. I'll figure this ping pong shit out in about five minutes and then I'll start fucking you up. And it's just not true. There's a lot of people that are really smart people, unfortunately. And this happens with tough people too.

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Tough people want to pretend they're the only tough person. They all want to pretend that. Everybody has this weird thing where they think they're different than everybody else. Interesting. And that's what leads them to be champions. But that is also what makes it incredibly difficult to come back from a devastating loss for some of these guys.

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So if they fight a guy and, you know, they've been the fucking man for years.

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And all of a sudden they're in there with this guy and you're like, oh my God, I'm getting hurt right now. I'm getting hurt and I'm probably going to get stopped. And you see it in their eyes. You see they can't believe it's happening. They never envisioned a time where this guy is going to knock them out. And then they're against the cage and you see them getting lit up.

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And in my mind, I'm seeing the sparks in front of their eyes. Because when you get hit, you see sparks. And if you get hit with like a big shot, like you can't – you don't know where anybody is for a couple seconds. Your legs aren't working anymore. I'm seeing it in this person that thought they were so good they could fight this other person. They didn't see it the way everybody else saw it.

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You know, they didn't see that they were past their prime or they didn't see that this is a bigger weight class or whatever the variables are that lead to like a devastating loss.

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Yeah, that was Tommy Hearns in his prime, man. Because you've got to realize Duran did go full 12 with Hagler when Hagler was in his prime. But Hagler had a respect for Duran that I think almost was unfortunate. Because like, Durant, for people who don't know.

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It wasn't just that Hagler in his mind. Durant was like one of the legends.

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I mean, quitting with Sugar Ray Leonard was horrible and it ruined his reputation. But if you could just take that fight away and look at every other, look at his body work. What he did to Ken Buchanan when he was a lightweight.

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People don't even understand. Roberto Durant started out his career at 135 pounds. Went up and won the middleweight title. You have to understand how fucking crazy Roberto Duran was. When he beat Davey Moore, was that super welterweight? It was either 154 or 160. He beat Davey Moore, who was in his fucking prime.

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I don't know where it was. I watched it on TV.

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See, that's a hard thing to do.

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If you won the Golden Gloves. That is a very- I didn't win the Golden Gloves.

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Even fighting.

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Even just getting into the ring, having the courage in your fucking underwear to step through those ropes with those stupid shoes on and big pads over your head, and you realize you're gonna just throw your hands at some other dude who's trying to KO you.

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It's such a weird feeling.

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I started fighting when I was 15.

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Well, I got picked on a lot. I was a small kid.

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And I was always moving. We were always moving to new neighborhoods.

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I got pushed around a little bit, like teenage boys do to each other, but I didn't like it. I didn't like it at all. And so I was like, look, I'm not growing. So it's like, what can I do to stop this fear that I have of conflict? I was terrified of conflict with kids because I did not know what to do. I had no training, no martial arts, and the only sport I'd ever played was baseball.

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And so I started doing martial arts, and I became obsessed.

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Yeah. Well, I first started with karate. I was going to this place called Esposito's Karate in Newton, Massachusetts. It might still be there. He was like the town legend. He was this black belt guy who was awesome, who taught this very popular school. But it was hard for me to get there. I didn't have a car. I was a kid. And so I would have to take a bus and walk a mile.

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It was like too much, especially in the winter. But I found this Taekwondo place in Kenmore Square in Boston, and the T would go right to it. I'd only have to walk a mile to get to the T, and then I'd get on the T. So I would do that every day. The T is public transportation? Exactly. So every day, I'd walk a mile, get on the T. After school? After school.

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As soon as school's over, I'd go right from my house, I'd grab my gym bag, and I'd go to the gym. I went every day. Great. So then, like, when I was in high school, I was traveling around the country fighting in tournaments. It was the weirdest shit. It's like I went from being terrified of fighting to, like, fighting all the time. Like, all the time. We were flying to Ohio.

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And, you know, I couldn't drive. I was 16 at the time. So I was with all these other guys. And most of them were, like, grown men. And we would all go. And I was competing as a grown man. I was competing as a rowman when I was like 15. What weight class were you? I won the state championship the first year at 140, but it was way too hard for me to weight the weight.

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And I was doing it like a moron. The guys who do it today, they really know what they're doing. I just stopped eating. I just stopped eating and stopped drinking water. And then I'd get in the shower and I'd shadow box in the shower when it was steaming hot. So I was trying to drain my body of weight. And then I'd have to fight that day, by the way. You'd have to fight the day you won.

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And you're so tired. Yeah. Yeah. So I won the States one year doing that, but I realized, like, I can't do this anymore. And I also tried being a vegetarian. I tried a bunch of stuff. And then the next year, when I was 18, then I started eating. Then I went up to 150. I think it was 55 or 54. I forget what the weight class was, but it was 50-something. I went up to that, and then I got way better.

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I was much, much, much better.

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It was all day. The moment I would get home from school, I'd usually eat something real quick, grab my bag.

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Like a banana? What would you eat? I didn't eat good. I was retarded. I would eat a bowl of cereal. I was a kid. Yeah, right. Yeah, of course. And I didn't have a lot of guidance. My parents both worked. So I fend for myself. Whatever's in the house, I'd eat that. And then I'd get on the T and head out and go train. And so-

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An hour. Yeah. So while you were traveling, you're digesting. Yeah. Because it takes like an hour to get there at least. It takes like a half hour to walk and then 20 minutes on the train.

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Well, yeah, yeah. And then I started teaching. That was a big thing too.

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Well, you would always start up, but mostly we'd start with technique, right? So most of the time you would start with just straight kicks. You would just practice kicks. And you're also warming up, so you go through a whole warm-up routine. You'd practice your kicks, like, mostly just for form. So you'd practice kicks.

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And then you would practice kicks with specific, they would call it like a one step. Like you would come at me with a thing and I would practice stepping to the side and countering. You'd practice that way. Then you would do sparring. And we sparred almost every night. And some of the sparring was fucking horrific.

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Three minute rounds, generally.

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And you're sparring, you know, all these people that are bigger than you, stronger than you. And I was a kid.

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And then you would heavy bag work. Heavy bag work was always at the end. When you were exhausted, you'd work on your power. And then there were some days we just came in and only worked on technique. You didn't spar. Those are good days. You could just only work on your power, like heavy bag work, drills, speed, speed drills, focus mitts.

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You'd have these pads, these paddles that people hold and you'd throw kicks at the paddles. And you're just all working on making it so it just has no telegraph. It just goes off. You're trying to have it just go off like a switch. And so you're just constantly drilling it as if you're competing. And then you'd go on the weekends, you'd go compete somewhere.

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Yeah, I ran. I did. But, you know, honestly, I hated running and I spent so much time training already that my endurance was fine.

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And I would do rounds in the bag. I always felt like rounds in the bag were better endurance anyway because that was like what you were going to actually do.

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Other than getting hit.

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Yeah, I would do sit-ups, and I would do push-ups, and I would do chin-ups and shit like that, but not a whole lot of things. Most of it was heavy bag training and sparring. That alone is a great workout. It was quite a while before they started accepting even the idea of weightlifting.

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For a long time, boxers, we were just talking about this the other day with Burt Soren from SorenX, and he was saying that boxers were told that if they lifted weights, they would be really stiff until Evander Holyfield came around. And Evander Holyfield kind of changed everybody's opinion of it because he lifted weights, moved up to heavyweight from cruiserweight. It was awesome.

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And everyone was like, hey, maybe weightlifting just makes you stronger. And now they all do it. It's kind of funny. Almost all those guys have some kind of. strength and conditioning routine now.

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I think I'm addicted to it for mental health reasons too.

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I think doing something difficult is very important, especially if it's self-administered. Do something really hard and it makes the rest of your day easier. And it also is just, you know, Andrew Huberman has talked about this. There's a specific area of your brain. And when you do uncomfortable things, that area of your brain grows.

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And when you're sedentary and you're not doing shit, that area of your brain actually shrinks. So it enhances your ability to do difficult things by doing difficult things regularly. So it's not just like, oh, I'm addicted to it. It's like, no, it's a vitamin. Like, you should do it. Like, you should do it. It makes your brain more resilient.

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Like, doing hard things, like, oh, I like to just lay on the couch. Bitch, I do too. Everybody does. Everybody likes to lay on the couch. That's not the point. The point is it's not good for you.

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And I just wanted to show you this just before we get rolling. Biden just released— A bunch of people. Multiple Chinese spies and an individual convicted of possessing child pornography. I think he's released – how many people has he pardoned today?

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Obviously, your situation was very extreme, and you needed relief in any way you could find it, through Jesus, through exercise, through everything, through constantly being aware. But for just any person listening to this, do something hard. Just make yourself do something hard all the time. Just trust me. You'll feel better. Your life will work better. You'll be able to handle things better.

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You'll be able to handle disputes better, conversations better, interactions with people better. Do something hard.

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The friendliest people that I know are all killers. Interesting. They're all killers. That's interesting. The friendliest people that I know. If you met, like, some of my friends that fight in the UFC, if you didn't know who they were and you met them, they're the most lovely people. Like Daniel Cormier, my...

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he's the he does color commentary with me so it's me and Daniel and this guy John Anik we're all very tight Daniel was a middleweight champ excuse me light heavyweight champion and heavyweight champion he was a two division world champion and was dominating in a weight class that in In Strikeforce, he didn't even belong in heavyweight. He's like 5'11". He's not a big guy.

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He's just such an insane tank of a human being. And his wrestling was so insane. And his just will was so insane. He dominated. Dominated two different divisions. He was a killer. The nicest fucking guy you'd ever meet in your life. If you're hanging around with him, you would never believe. You would never believe that he could pick up anybody in the room and smash them on their head.

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You would never believe it. You would think he's just a sweetheart of a guy.

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Oh my God, Tommy Hearns in his prime was an assassin.

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Well, you have to be a psycho. He's kind of a psycho. You have to be the type of person that tweets, I hate Taylor Swift, like a psycho. It's just a maniac mindset. But without that, you don't keep fighting. They tried to kill him twice. That's right. And one of them nicked his ear. And there were literally people online doubting whether or not he got hit. You see blood coming off of his ear?

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People were saying it was staged so that he could avoid prison. I mean, I heard prominent people say these things.

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Some prominent woman tweeted that he got shot because he's trying to get out of jail, out of going to jail. I don't care what you were trying to say. That's such an insane take on a former president who's running for office again being assassinated. You should be against assassinations. Assassinations are horrible. It's against the law. It's one of the most horrific. No matter what did he do?

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He paid off a lady? Is that what he did? You think you should get shot in the fucking head for that?

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What did he do? What did he do that you think he deserves getting shot in the fucking head?

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And this complete lack of appreciation that the whole thing is rigged. The whole thing is corrupt. That's not good for you either. It's not good for anybody. Just because you label yourself a liberal, you can't watch them throw the Constitution in the toilet. You can't just sit back and watch them because, yeah, that's good. They're doing it against Trump. Oh, he got shot. Good.

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Are you fucking crazy? People getting shot is good? How are the love people, the progressive people, the people on the left, how are they like, I wish that guy didn't miss? How are they doing that? Because that's how lost we've gotten with this mainstream political narrative. They feed you what you're supposed to think and you never have the ability to think it out for yourself.

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It's like groups of people just going through the information and coming to a conclusion as a country. Instead, you have to be on fucking a car...

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Like in prison.

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And you got to be with this group.

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It's basically the same thing.

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You're in a gang. You're just not in the Aryan race.

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You're in the fucking left wing progressives.

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Exactly. And they'll fucking turn on you. They'll all turn on each other. They do it all the time because they're all just scrambling for stature.

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Go to vivobarefoot.com slash joe-rogan to learn more and get 20% off your first vivos with promo code JR20. Gone. Just ended. What was that? Yep. That's it. Okay. All right. We're back. So Obama was, so how did he try to negotiate? Like what, when he wanted this person to take his Senate seat, like what, what, what, what was set? How did it go down? How do things like that work?

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Does that make any sense? It does. And anybody that would push back against that, I would say, listen, before you even form an opinion, I want you to think about what happened when he got shot. So he gets tackled. He's got blood coming out of his ear. Guns grow off. Guy behind him is dead. Guy got shot protecting his family.

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He stands up and he throws his hand up in the air and says, fight, fight, fight. That's not fake. Right. That's in the moment after getting hit by a bullet, covered by the Secret Service, guy behind him is dead. How many gunshots had rung off? Nine shots between the snipers killing him, him shooting. I think he shot three times.

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And then he fight, fight, fight. That's in the moment. That's right. That's in the moment. That's right. Everybody loves America, including people that aren't in America, which is why so many people are sneaking over to America, okay? There's not a whole lot of people sneaking into Libya. Everybody loves America.

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It's the shit.

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But it's the shit because of personal freedom. And because you can be somebody here.

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You can be anything you want. You could be a doctor, a lawyer, an author, a painter, a musician. You can do anything you want.

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And this place celebrates it.

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I have a friend of mine from the UK. When he moved over here, one of the first things he said was, in England, they try to push you down if you try to get ahead. Like they'll try to dismiss you. It's like tall poppy syndrome. They don't want anybody rising above everybody else.

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It's generally very energetic people who don't have any ambition. So they have all this energy and they put their energy into this nonsense instead of sorting your life out and pursuing something for yourself. This is how it should all work. everybody should have an equal opportunity to be educated and to pursue their dreams. But we're not going to have equality of effort.

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It's not going to exist. I can't tell you to do what I do, but I'll tell you what I do. And you could either listen and pay attention. You could say, oh, look at all the effectiveness. Look at how he's been able to do so many different things. How is that possible? Well, it's all simple. It's all just hard work. Not everybody wants to do that.

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So if you want a quality of outcome and you don't have a quality of effort, then you have tyranny. Because then you have people who are a bunch of energetic people who don't have a lot of ambition and they don't have any talent and they want to control people. And they don't like when people achieve a higher social status than them or economic status. They get angry. Why not me? Hmm.

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There's a lot of that. That's a part of what the whole appeal to socialism. Of course, there's like the beautiful appeal that like there's a lot of things that are socialist in this world that are great. Like the fire department is essentially a socialist establishment. Right. We all pay for the fire department. We all agree that the fire department should act immediately when there's a fire.

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We're all paying into it. And it's great. We could have other things like that, too. That should be how education is. That should probably be how the police force is. That's all great. But as soon as you want a quality of outcome, you're ignoring a quality of effort. Right. It's of course, some people were born rich. Of course, it's not fair.

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Of course, some people are born in broken homes and it's harder for them. Of course, the fucking games rigged. It's not fair.

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But everybody, even given the worst of circumstances, it's at least not stopped from pursuing dreams.

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Hopefully. There's no hold fast rules, but hopefully success will come.

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For sure. At least you learn from that, and maybe you could apply those lessons to other things. It's not like there's an end to this. And everybody wants to look at it like there's some sort of a finish line. I'm telling you, it's not real. There's no finish line. It doesn't exist. You should just enjoy this moment and enjoy the whole process of whatever you're trying to do in life.

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Because there's never going to be a time where you're like, I did it. It's over. That's not real. I'm here to tell you, someone who's had the number one podcast for like six years or something like that, it's not real. There's no end. There's no like, I made it. It doesn't exist. And if it does exist, you're missing out on the whole point.

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The point is you're supposed to be getting better all the time at everything you do.

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It's a constant thing. That's right. Physically, there's going to come a point in time when you can't really get better at things because you're getting old. But you can still do it mentally. You can still learn more. You can still pursue hobbies and interests and dreams and things that stimulate you and work towards stuff. It's a better way to live your life.

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So he doesn't have to meet with you so you can say Obama asked me. You have other people, so there's plausible deniability.

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And some people never get a chance to understand that. And you go through your whole life and maybe you're following the guru who's the gay porn star. And then all of a sudden you realize, I've wasted my experience here. I haven't learned from it. I haven't grown from it. I don't have anything to show for all my time here. I've just been making mistake after mistake.

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And I never really figured out how to control my mind. And I never really figured out how to discipline myself into action. And here I am, never figured out puzzles. And here I am. Fuck. And those are the people that want equality of outcome. Those are the people who want equity. Those are the people that want to shut all the... Look, there's a lot of hedge fund people that are pretty creepy.

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There's a lot of billionaires that are doing shady shit.

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I mean, for sure we should keep an eye on people who want to change the weather, for sure. But at the end of the day... We're all just supposed to be human beings with an opportunity to try to succeed. It doesn't mean everybody's going to succeed. That's what's so crazy about this open-ended agreement you have with life. You don't know what's coming up. You don't know what's next.

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It's just like how do you respond to it when it happens? And for you, it's one of the most difficult things that a person could go through, and especially because you feel you were innocent.

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You could probably run in Vegas and win. You could be the king of Vegas.

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Do you have any desire to be in politics anymore? Is it just too gross? How do you think about it now?

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Well, anything that protects puppies. But to me, that sounds like the Patriot Act. Well, it's got to be good.

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Well, they named it the Patriot Act. How are you going to say no to that?

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But you name it the Puppy Protection Act.

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What's in there?

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100%.

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Oh, my goodness. You should have made so much money just emptying your bank accounts. Let's go, champ.

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Would that be illegal? Maybe they put you back in jail for that.

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In this day and age, what are you going to do other than this book?

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Have you ever seen any of my podcasts that I've done with Josh Dubin?

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That's his main objective. Just through the podcast that we've done, multiple people have been released.

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He's always highlighting these fucked up cases where people were innocent and massive corruption in the prosecutor's office. You hear about these things, they're so heartbreaking. You just can't believe that someone would be willing- to have people go to jail for 25 to life for something that they know is a lie.

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But you see it over and over and over again.

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It's really that simple?

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What did they bomb?

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They just indiscriminately bombed the cities? Did they bomb military bases?

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It sounds like you're bucking for an ambassador to Serbia position.

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What if he gave it to you? Would you take it?

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He's going to sit you down with a Burger King. No, he's into Big Macs, right?

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Yeah. Sit you down.

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No, you understand politics far more than most. What difficulties do they face in implementing real change? So there's all these ideas, the Doge idea, the Department of Government Efficiency, RFK taking over HHS, right? Health and Human Services, is that what it is? And so then Kash Patel with the FBI, Tulsi Gabbard. What is her...

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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Yes. So they all have these ideas to eliminate corruption or at least mitigate it and root out all the bad actors and find out what went wrong. Right. What what's in the way of that? What would stop them from being able to do all that?

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So they criminalized Barack Obama trying to force his pick for Senate seat and you accepting it.

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People are happy that he won.

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Yeah. The people who make the polls. That's right. Those fucking people, they might as well be psychics. They might as well be that person with the neon sign that's reading cards. You guys were so off. It was so wild because people were so emboldened by them being so off. I'm sure you've seen a lot of these hilarious videos of Democrats who are absolutely sure she was going to win.

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We're going to win this. And they're all fired up and cocky and hooting and hollering and making fun of people. And then, bam, you see this landslide.

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I thought it was going to be a lot closer because I thought, you know, until she kept making blunders. Like, if she just never did any interviews and just only did speeches like that first one that she did. That first one she did, like, have you got something to say to me? Say it to my face. And the whole place goes nuts. And you're like, whoa.

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Like, she was young and energetic in comparison to him. Like, oh, my God. And then they all got behind her. Yeah. You see all the wind behind the sails of the media. They were all moving in March step. They were all marching together. They were all telling us, she's the best. She's number one. She's going to fix it. And I thought it was working. I really did. I was like, this might work.

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Which is, I was fascinated to see. I was fascinated to see the whole machine turn in support of her. The people that had mocked her approval ratings just six months ago. They're making fun of her and how she's largely been quiet. And then all of a sudden, she's our answer.

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It was wild.

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Did you see Jill Biden dunking on her in that speech today?

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Oh, my God. It's amazing. Jill Biden subtly does a Kamala Harris impression, and the audience knows it, and the audience starts laughing. Yeah, which is just like what I want to be a fly on the wall I would have loved to see how that like is essentially a coup went down.

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Yes, right That's right is the first time ever someone who didn't get Elected correct through a primary right is somehow or another the representative for the Democratic Party. It's a little kind of dangerous If you really think about in that regard, it's kind of dangerous.

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Lying to you. They're hoping that your compliance that you showed through COVID and everything else, they're hoping that's going to go along with this, and you're not going to stand up and go, hey, why don't you have a primary? What about Shapiro? What about all these different people? What about them running? Let's see what their solutions to these things are.

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She's already said she's not going to do anything different. This is kind of crazy. What are we doing?

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Did you see this one in the back room? Crazy video of this poor girl. She's like hysteric. And she's talking to Kamala Harris and Kamala Harris is talking to her. And she's like, don't worry, we're going to win. We're going to win. And she's like saying this to this poor girl, like a college girl is like full of anxiety and all freaked out and just.

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I just get so upset when I watch that because what got in your head that got you thinking that some horrific end to women's rights is coming? What happened?

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Do you remember when Trump won? Was NBC or one of these fucking people tweeted out, this is our president, and it was Oprah?

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Now it's let's overcorrect.

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I think it's a cult. I really do. And I think the Republicans didn't do themselves any justice by reversing Roe v. Wade. Because I think wanting that reversed is what put this fear in everyone that you're coming after women's reproductive rights, that men based on religious ideals are going to tell women what to do with their bodies.

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That's if that didn't happen, I think it would have been an even bigger victory for Trump.

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Because I think that was one of the most important.

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subjects when for women that was one of the most important things that they were willing to draw the line on because they know where that goes they don't you as soon as you let someone have control over what you can and can't do with your body just like just to a smaller extent but like we're talking about with covid with so many different things when people have power and control over people they abuse it and they manipulate it and if you all of a sudden have laws so

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Yeah. See where you find that. Like a major network tweeted out, this is our president. Wow. I was like...

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whether these were unfounded fears or not, women were worried that people would get data from their fertility apps, right? So you have ovulation apps, and these ovulation apps, you say when you had your period, and it keeps track of when you're ovulating.

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That if a woman had one of those apps and was living in a state, because Roe v. Wade's been reversed, where abortion is illegal, and then she travels to another state and has an abortion, that she could be prosecuted based on the laws of the state. Which is... To me, that's terrifying. I agree.

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Giving people that kind of power over other people, especially if they're doing something that's legal in that state. The whole idea of states' rights is supposed to be, first of all, we don't need passports to travel from state to state, right? But every state is essentially almost like a little different country that speaks the same language. This is a very different country than California.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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I lived in both places. Yeah. You know, there's other places. New York's a very different country than this, but we all agree that we can travel back and forth. So then you leave me the fuck alone. If I'm not you don't know what I'm doing in this state.

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And I don't want you check if someone has a miscarriage and then they go visit a state that has abortion laws and then they get visited by jackbooted thugs that think that they can oppose and put some girl in jail to send a message. Yeah. That's fucking terrifying. And that I think cost a lot of votes. And maybe it's a wrong perception. Maybe it's an extreme version of it.

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And I'm exaggerating, but I don't trust people. I don't trust people that have power over people. And I think the less power people have over people, the better. I think if you want people to have less abortions, make more birth control available. Make it available everywhere. Education, but that's not going to help because kids are crazy. You get horny, you go nuts.

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But there's a lot of people that make mistakes that... If a man could get pregnant, if men could get pregnant, I always said abortion would be an app on your phone. We would have them at the gas station. We'd get abortions everywhere. Like, there would be no babies. It's, you know, it's a very complicated decision for someone to make.

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And, you know, Joe Biden ironically said it best a long time ago. He said abortion should be legal and rare.

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It gets so complicated. Yeah.

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It's very, very real. I don't think you should let the government ever be involved in the choices you make with your body. I don't think that. And I understand the pro-life perspective. I get it. I've talked to very intelligent, reasonable people that believe that life begins at the moment of conception, even in the case of rape. That's right.

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I'm like, okay, I don't agree with you, but I understand where you're coming from. And I could put myself in your mindset and I could see that. I could see how you would think that. I could see how you'd say two wrongs don't make a right. I could see it. I just don't agree with it. And, you know, I don't agree with it because I would not want to be a woman carrying a rapist baby.

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I don't give a fuck what you say. And if you want to impose that on a person because you have a different set of beliefs than a person, where does that end? Where does that end?

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It gets fucking weird. It gets weird when you let people control people. Think about how many people are yelling at people to wear a mask outside. Where's your mask? People are fucking weird, man. When you give them any kind of control over people, I don't trust them. And that's not like a pro abortion position. That's a pro. I don't trust people and their decision making ability.

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And their abuse of power decision. That's what that is. That's my position.

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Exactly. Which I agree with, with fucking everything. Right. You know, if you want to get face tattoos, I wouldn't recommend it, but I have a bunch of friends who have face tattoos. I don't know. Jelly Roll's got a bunch of them. I love that guy to death.

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A lot of nice guys with face tattoos. How many fighters I know with face tattoos?

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Fucking great guy. Sean O'Malley. Shout out to my man, Sean. Face tattoos, awesome guy.

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Oh, wow. That's hilarious. Did you record anything?

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Oh, that's too bad. That would have been amazing tapes.

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Get that on the Internet.

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Let them have YouTube channels. But I had to. You know how great that would be? YouTube jail channels. Tell the jail, listen, you can make profits off of this. Why don't you split the profits with the emits? No.

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Because he put socks over his face when he robbed the bank? Is that why?

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This guy was a badass, dude. That's hilarious. Yeah, there's good people that make bad choices. Yeah. Yeah, and we've got to throw people away. That's crazy. There's so many people I'm sure that you've met that have a lot of potential. And I've met a lot of people that have been in jail that are amazing people.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

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One of my favorite guests that I've ever had on is Freeway Ricky Ross.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

8798.38

No. No, it's the real one. The real Ricky Ross who was selling cocaine, getting it from the government and selling it in South Central Los Angeles and not even knowing what he was a part of, funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas. Holy shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

8815.784

The whole Oliver North thing. That's freeway Ricky Ross. He was a legend. He was making millions every week. Every week. Millions of dollars. Couldn't read. Couldn't read, was a tennis player, really good tennis player, but not good enough to be pro, but illiterate. Goes to jail. Becomes a lawyer in jail, teaches himself to read.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

8838.7

I believe it was federal prison.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

8840.621

I believe it was federal prison. Goes to jail and finds out that, because he understands law, that they had used the three strikes rule incorrectly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

8851.59

And that it's supposed to be three separate incidents of felonies. This was three felonies in one incident.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

8859.115

And so he got off. Beautiful. He got himself out of jail.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

8863.138

Oh, he's in a long time. How long is Freeway Ricky Ross in? But he's the nicest guy. He's funny. He's like, you're telling me this guy didn't deserve a second chance?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

8873.703

He's a young kid surrounded by drug dealers.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

8876.765

The only people that had any money.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

8884.008

Where's he at now? He's back in L.A. He just did the podcast recently. How long ago did he do it? Was it last year? I feel like it was this year. Yeah, I know it was this year. What month?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

8898.919

Six months ago, yeah.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

89.854

He's going ham. Everybody can get their – sign your checks, send them in, let's go. Wow. Wow. Possession of child pornography should be like you shouldn't be able to pardon for stuff like that. It's like there are certain things. It's like, come on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9044.766

You should talk to Josh Dubin as well.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9052.932

Yeah, I'll connect you guys. I love that guy to death. And that's his main quest in life, you know, to help people. And then he's got so many stories of these people getting out and doing incredible things and helping other people as well. Turning it back around, giving it back, trying to work and educate these young guys and also trying to stop them from doing bad things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9075.029

Just give them some life skills so they can make good decisions instead of bad decisions. Because some people are just... Like there's a reality of being trapped by your circumstances. And if you have not experienced that, and luckily I haven't, and I'm very fortunate, but there's a lot of people that do. And to discount that is fucking crazy.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9093.218

And we take people and we just put them in cages and we forget about them. And it's convenient for us. And just lock them up. Just lock everybody up. Like stop locking people up. What we need to do is understand that we lock more people up than anybody anywhere. And it doesn't make us safer. What we got to do is get to the root of why so many people are getting locked up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9112.586

And we've ignored that. We've ignored that. It's like we're constantly cutting cancerous tumors off. We're not going, hey, why do we keep getting cancer? Like, is there something we could do different? There's a lot we could do different. Think about just the money that we have sent to Ukraine. Imagine if that money just went to rehabilitating the cities in North America. There you go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9133.353

How much good could you do with $200 billion in America in a year?

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9149.062

I support her stock trades. Yeah, I didn't know about any of those. Did you go to Pelosi Stock Tracker?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9154.284

You ever seen it? No.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9156.765

Oh, my God. No kidding. I'm not really a stock market person. I don't pay attention. But I do know people that are very invested in the stock market, and Pelosi Stock Tracker is legit. Like, you could find out what she's buying, and you should buy it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9173.689

She's a really good stock broker, Rod. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9179.576

I don't know how she has the time considering she's so busy serving the people. But if she was just a pure stock trader, she'd probably be the biggest of all time. She's that good. Well, probably not. No, I'm telling you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9194.02

No, no, no, no. She's a psychic. She's got talent. She gets it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9198.501

She gets it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9272.273

Well, I think they lost a lot of it during this election because a lot of black folks looked at all these illegal aliens that are coming in here getting all these benefits and getting put up in the Roosevelt Hotel and getting free food and getting EBT cards. And they were like, what the fuck is this? Like, what about us? Like, there was a lot of people in Chicago that were up in arms about that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9294.351

Very right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9296.532

This is like 100% evidence that these people who are pretending to be on your side don't give a fuck about you. There you go. That's the reality of it. Now, if Trump can demonstrate that he gives a fuck, it'll change the whole narrative. If he can do real things while he's in office, and he seems like a guy who's motivated to do real things. Just...

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

930.893

And I'm talking to my lawyer Quinlan and I say there is NBC nothing but respect for our future president

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9315.356

If you could just get 10% less people winding up in jail, imagine what that is. Imagine what that is. 10% more people that are contributing to society. And that's a minor goal. That's a totally doable thing. That's not unrealistic at all. But if you can get 10%, 10% probably would give birth to 20 or 30 eventually.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9333.795

I think people would recognize like, oh, there's a path that I can get my children into that will give them a real secure future outside of this. And then you've got to do something about law enforcement. You've got to mitigate all the gang activity and violence. You can't have people growing up thinking that violence is the way and that drug dealing is the way and shooting people is normal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9352.867

You've got to – you can't let that flourish and grow. You can't let that happen. And they – for whatever reason, have never fully addressed it. They've never addressed it with the kind of resources that we address so many of our problems.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9395.16

Well, I think the whole he's racist narrative just died.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9414.788

Instead of making the schools better, they lower the standards.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

943.51

I'm not going to move to England. I'm just going to mock NBC. So what does it say? Yesterday, a tweet about the Golden Globes and Oprah Winfrey was sent by a third-party agency for NBC Entertainment in real time during the broadcast. It is in reference to a joke made during the monologue and not meant to be a political statement. We have since removed the tweet. Right. Okay.

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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9452.482

Whatever it is. Whatever crazy number that doesn't even make sense in my head.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9455.625

Whatever the number is. Right. We have so much money to send to all these countries in foreign aid. We just gave a billion dollars to Africa in case they get hit by storms, you know, for natural disasters. What? How much would it cost? How much would it cost to fix every school in the country? How much would it cost? It can't be done. Okay. Are you telling me it can't be done with $39 trillion?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9478.908

If I gave you $39 trillion, do you think that you could fix every school in the country? I bet you could. I bet you have a lot of money left over. Okay. So let's forget the $39 trillion because that's ridiculous. But what's the number? How much would it actually cost to just with –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9495.563

Like proper planning, a real strategy, and hire the best professionals you possibly can, compensate them well with a goal entirely focused on fixing the education system in America. Taking our standing where we are internationally, which is very low now, and raising it back up to the top. How do we do that? How much would it cost? Just help me out. Help me out. It's not insurmountable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9520.844

Like if I said $39 trillion, you'd be like, yeah, you could definitely do it. Yeah, you could definitely pay people so much money.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9528.507

Why?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9639.412

So you think that even if there was some sort of executive order or some sort of bill that gets passed where they concentrate entirely on raising the standard of education at whatever it costs. Like this is a priority for our country. The more people that we have that are highly educated, the less losers, the less crime, the less everything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9660.718

The more people participate, the better the dream gets, the more competition there is. We all strive. Rising tide lifts all boats. Let's fucking go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9668.82

If they did that, you think the teachers union would be the biggest impediment to actual success?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9751.752

And then there's also the factor of their growing up in crime-ridden neighborhoods and they're probably not getting enough nourishment. There's a lot of factors that would also inhibit your ability to even absorb information, the stress and the trauma. So what you really got to do is fix all that in cities. That's another thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9770.423

Like, how much would it cost to significantly put a dent in crime in all cities and do it in a way where people didn't think you're sending the military in to clean it up? And, you know, it's not a militarization of cities. Like, there's got to be a way to do it. How much would it cost?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9858.729

Absolutely. The question is, how would you do it if you were a part of the administration? If Donald Trump heard this conversation and said, you know what, I think he's I think he's right. And I think we can do something about it. What would you do?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9872.924

Well, it would first be, both are connected, right? Crime and education, they're connected. And the lowest income, most crime-ridden communities has the lowest education levels, right? So they're inexorably connected. You can't just deal with education without dealing with crime, so you'd have to do both.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9921.615

So that's the job you want.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9926.546

What's the dream one? What's the dream conversation?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9931.93

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9932.57

But isn't there like a title that would allow you to do what you want to do?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9945.119

You have homies. You're like one of the few former governors with homies. Like, legit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9966.227

You feel me, bro?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9968.027

Like, for real, a guy who hadn't done time to say my homies, like, shut the fuck up. Those guys you play pickleball with?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2245 - Rod Blagojevich

9974.769

Shut up. But you have actual homies.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

107.745

There's a few people doing it. Yeah. They're all investigative journalists. They're all independent. They're all completely outside of any kind of Washington Post.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

115.733

That's the only way to do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1174.361

and i got you know my eyes were too big for my stomach in a way because you're just like let's keep going the big thing too is keep it small keep it small dude keep it small like it's just me and jamie and we have a video editor that's not even local he just gets it on the internet and also jamie is super good vibes which is yeah no he's the best but it's it's the most important i have friends that have big podcasts and they have like this huge staff yeah and they have all these people running around i'm like what do all these people do

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#2214 - Shane Smith

1200.03

And it's like they want this feeling of they're the boss of a bunch of employees for some reason. Like they want all these production people that are creating content. But then you have inter-office conflicts and they're always putting out fires and people are complaining. And then people leave and make videos talking about what a piece of shit boss you were.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

1220.643

And it's like, hey, man, you're dealing in this thing where there's currency in that information. There's currency for these people. these mediocre people. So you hire these mediocre people, and these mediocre people attack you because there's currency in attacking you, but you didn't need them in the first place. This whole thing was stupid.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

1237.955

You're making a little bit more money, but you have more problems, but you don't notice that money. You have to pay attention to what you notice. Whatever the fuck you have in your bank account, If you're a fairly wealthy person and you have $100 more, $100 less, $1,000 more, $1,000 less, you don't notice it. But I'll tell you what you do notice. You notice hassle. You notice problems.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

124.179

100%.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

124.239

Yeah, there's no way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1263.003

Those problems are worth a lot of money to get rid of. Like, if you had a bunch of employees, like, fuck, what can I do? There's so many people. It's so annoying. God, I wish we were small again. Getting back to small again is a grind. You've got to fire people. You've got to downsize. You've got to figure out how to do it. That's a mess, man. You don't want that mess.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

1281.771

So that extra money that you got by making things too big, you fucked yourself. You got greedy. You looked at it the wrong way. Like, someone said to me, like, I was in the parking lot of the comedy store. This friend of mine was not even very successful.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

1294.734

Mm-hmm.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1294.994

It was like, I'm trying to find a new assistant. I go, why do you need a new assistant? He goes, you don't have an assistant? I go, no. I go, this is what you do. Do less shit. If you need an assistant, you're doing too many things. Do less shit. Don't get a fucking assistant. You have an assistant, you have what happens at David Spade.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

13.148

What's up? How are you? Good to see you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1313.226

The guy shows up with duct tape and a taser and tries to kill you. Remember that? Because they wind up resenting you. Because if you've got some person who's working for you, he's making $50,000 a year and you're making, you have $50 million. They want to kill you. After a while, they're like, I'm a part of this too. They don't think of it as this is a great job.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1330.622

This job could eventually lead to something bigger. People get resentful. Also, the type of people that are 34 years old, they're working as an assistant. probably a little fucked up, probably made some mistakes, probably not really on the right path in life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1344.018

Now all of a sudden you're connected at the hip to this person, and then they want to tell you about their problems, and maybe got an ex-wife, or maybe they got a this, and if they're making more money, they're going to make more money. And so you've, because you wanted to appear like you have a, everybody wants a big organization. Like Vice is big now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

136.088

Yeah, it's like I had an unexpected education, like an unanticipated, unplanned education in all sorts of things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1363.697

You know, the JRE, we have a thousand employees worldwide. We have three employees.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1429.286

Shane, can I pull you aside for a second? There's a project that my friend and I are working on. I'd really like to get you involved.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1463.368

Yeah. Fun is the most important thing. Brian Cowell said this to me once and it's really great advice. He goes, all you really want is to be able to go to a restaurant and not worry about what things cost.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

1477.181

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1482.443

You get used to cars. You get used to houses. I realized early on, I got an apartment when I lived in North Hollywood. It was the first nice apartment I had. But after I was in it a couple of weeks, it was just my house.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

149.207

It's pretty amazing, yeah. I mean, you learn a lot of bullshit, too. Like, some of the stuff you learn is not true.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1494.068

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1494.608

Just like the house I have now. It's not that much different. It's just like you're home. Okay, great. What do you need? You need a couch. You need a TV. You need a bedroom. You need a kitchen. That's all you need. Hopefully it doesn't stink. Hopefully it doesn't suck. Hopefully your neighbors aren't loud. Hopefully it would be nice if you have a view. That's cute. But other than that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

15.65

What you been up to, man?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

154.929

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

156.59

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1576.769

Is it online? Can I see this thing? You can see it. Yeah, yeah. Did you put it online?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1584.136

Can you send it to Jamie so we can see it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1598.63

I'd have to get the fucking name.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1603.416

What would Johnny Cash feel about his Rolls Royce getting Tesla power?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1610.645

But that's Johnny Cash, not Johnny Carson.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1613.849

Right. Didn't you say Johnny Carson?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1615.231

No, Johnny Cash. You said he had the number one show on TV? Yeah, the Johnny Cash Variety Hour. Oh, my God. I thought you said Johnny Carson.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1637.936

Wow. You got to come out and drive it. It's awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1651.366

So when the batteries go bad, you can just swap the batteries out. Just plug it in? No, you just plug it in. No, but eventually the batteries will deteriorate to the point where you'll get really low mileage. You'll probably get low mileage already, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1664.248

God, that's beautiful. You must have had to upgrade the brakes in a big way, right? Because it's very heavy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1669.669

Fucking beautiful car, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1687.695

You ever heard of the company called Everati? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1694.858

Yeah, they do swap overs for, I know they do Porsches. I think they do a Mustang as well. But they take these classic cars. The problem is, you're not supposed to do that.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

1709.465

I don't have any desire to have one of these things, but I think they're dope as fuck. They're dope as fuck. But the thing is, for me, I see that. Oh, that's disgusting. Get that off the screen. That does disturb me to no end. You took a GT40 and turned it electric. The thing about those old cars is the mechanical feel, and that is 90% of the experience of driving one of those old cars.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

173.917

I've talked to him many times. I interviewed him once.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1736.802

Anyway, I love it. The thing is, like, they're supposed to have – I can see doing it with Johnny Cash's car. It's kind of funny. But you do into that, you should go to jail. You do that to a GT40, you should go right to jail.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1750.374

Well, not really. Originally, you know, this is Ferrari versus Ford. This is the original car. I actually have the next version of that, which is the Ford GT. I have one of the 2005 ones that's a stick shift. I feel like if you drive a car like that, you have to drive a manual. It can only go, say, 160 miles. Right. And that's if you're driving like a grandma. But it has 800 horsepower.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

177.439

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's legit. I mean, he was an environmental attorney.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1773.493

It's probably fast as shit. You know, electric cars are different than any other car in terms of the speed that you get and the way it feels. You just go whoosh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1789.669

That's that car. That car is like visceral. It's exciting. There's an engine behind you. It's like, let's go, baby.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1800.733

You want to feel the bumps. You want to feel the fucking steering in your hand, the wiggling of the tires. It's a ride. It's not efficient. It's not supposed to be efficient. It's an experience. It's a sensory overload. It's not just transportation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

181.901

That was his background. And, you know, he's had a crazy life. Imagine you're 14 years old and your dad gets killed by who knows.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1814.918

That's why turning one of those things into electric is gross.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1895.666

Yeah, most of those... They're cool. They're cool. I'm interested in engineering and artwork, right? And that's why I have so much art in this place. I love people's expression.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1907.219

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1907.699

And I feel like cars are artwork. That's how I view cars. Sure. Especially old cars. Yeah. I have a lot of old cars. Art Deco cars. Muscle cars. 1960s to early 1970s muscle cars. That's what I love. I love them. I love them. I drive them like they're just... It's like I'm on an amusement park ride. That's how I feel about them. When I was a kid... Those were the cars that everybody wanted.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

192.186

But it might be the government.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1933.934

So to me, it's like I get a real joy out of those. But if I didn't have them, I'd be fine. If I just drove my Tesla to work every day, I would be fine. The level of happiness you get in terms of how much you have to work for some things, it's not worth it. It's not worth it. Too many people strive for this thing that doesn't give you anything back. It's just this thing that's hard.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

1956.377

Just because something's hard to get doesn't mean it's good to get. And there's a lot of things that people strive for that are difficult to achieve, but they're not valuable when you get there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

199.31

Well, it's a real thing. You know, I don't know who's doing it or what faction or how small the amount of people are that are involved in it. I mean, imagine if you're like a legitimate person working for the CIA and you think that the CIA is trying to assassinate Trump and you're like, well, what the fuck? Or whoever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

2039.847

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#2214 - Shane Smith

2064.328

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#2214 - Shane Smith

2077.254

I have a 69.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

2079.355

I have a 69 that has been completely redone by this guy, Steve Strope. So nice. And it's the craziest Nova ever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

2087.959

This one's incredible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

2089.5

Because it's a complete resto mod.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

2100.724

It's a different flex. Yeah. You know, the Ferrari, you just have money. That's a Nova. That's it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

2113.271

Mine is like, it's got 1969 Camaro fenders, so they made it wider so they could fit larger tires and tubbed it out. It's all custom. It has a supercharged LT4.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

2129.329

Yeah, it's a very efficient driving car, but it's just so fun. It's just like you drive that thing. It's just this experience of sounds. And to me, it's like those cars are the ones that resonate with me. But if I only had...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

2145.906

one i would be fine i just like them every now and then but they're not they're not the thing they're not the end all be all they're not family friends love community there's all these things that people put those objects above they put above everything in your life you strive for that thing because it's a symbol of success yeah and it's nonsense

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

218.094

It's got to be. I mean, it's got to be a small faction of intelligence agencies that want to do things like how many people do you think were involved in the Kennedy assassination?

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You are doing a podcast.

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That's so crazy that a watch is $500,000. Oh, some of them are like $5 million.

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And so – Like those Richard Millet watches?

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Why can't you put it through security?

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Yeah, but then where's my watch?

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It's just like it goes through the little thing.

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It's good for your brain. Positivity. It's good for your mental health.

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It's also, it's what life is about. Life is about growth. It's about learning. It's about experiencing things. And when you get an opportunity to talk to someone, like I talked to this woman the other day, Diane Boyd, she wrote this book, A Woman Amongst Wolves. She spent her entire life tracking wolves and handling them and collaring them and studying them.

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And she lived in a cabin in the woods for years by herself with no water and no electricity.

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Yeah, fascinating. You're a totally different type of person than I've ever experienced. What's your life like? What do you do? What do you think about this?

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What do you think about that?

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And if you can figure out how that's your job, and it's not just something that you do on the bus on the way home, but it's actually your job, that's a good life.

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Is there a way to do something like the original vice, but just keep it small and never let it grow?

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Is it still Vice? Do you call it Vice?

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So are you still one of the owners? How does it work?

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Well, it's the old adage, go woke, go broke. And that's what happened with Vice. People stopped. They just stopped paying. Vice is one of the best examples of go woke, go broke ever. Because Vice was fucking huge and it was exciting. It was interesting. You know, you had great shows. And then it just got too weird.

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Many times they tried to kill him.

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You have to live your life. This idea that your career should be your whole life is foolish.

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Because you don't have that much time.

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You don't have that much time.

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Yeah, I guess, 67. What's that?

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What made you want to do that? Just got tired of being on the outside looking in?

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We most certainly have, and we live in the greatest time of technological change in human history. We started out, like you and I can remember when phones were attached to the wall.

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Yeah.

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I remember when it was a, we had to spin the wheel to make a phone call.

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You got to call.

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And if you fucked up, like, God damn it, you had to hang up and start from scratch. It took a long time to make a phone call. Joe, there's a phone call for you. Right. And when people would call and you were on the phone, it would just be busy. Yeah.

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You call him back. God damn, he's still busy. And then it became call waiting. Oh, hold on. Someone else is calling.

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Maybe they're more important than you. Hold, please. And then you come back. And then it was caller ID. Oh, this motherfucker's calling. Fuck him. And then answering machines were the greatest. And when you could get a remote answering machine so I could call my answering

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machine and listen to you leave me a message hey meet me at the bar at 10 and I'd call you back and leave a message on your machine hey I got your message I'll meet you at the bar at 10 I love that.

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I love that.

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I'll see you on Saturday at 8. But we were also free from the confines of social media. And social media has brought an incredible amount of information to people, but has also created a lot of very mentally ill people, whether they realize it or not. It's like you're getting a low dose of radiation all day long, every day.

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Yes, very, very, very addictive.

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And then it can be psychologically very damaging if you read stuff about yourself. You know, I've had many friends that started becoming successful and then started doing really well and then started reading people's comments about them. The hate is crazy. And it drives them nuts. It hurts their feelings. It really does. I mean, oh, poor baby. But I mean, really, as a human being.

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Yeah, they're human beings. And I know that the people, look, If I was not a famous person, I was a person that was like who I was when I was 19 years old, I would 100% be leaving shitty comments on YouTube videos and shitty comments on someone's Instagram or Twitter or whatever. It's what people do. It's normal.

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It's not the people's fault because it's a very disconnected, disassociated way of communicating with people that's not congruent. It's not normal for human communication. It's not what we're designed. We're designed to do this. I'm looking at you. You're looking at me. I smile. You smile. We're buddies. We have a good time. That's how people are used to communicating with each other.

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When you're communicating with people through text, it's fucking bizarre. It's very bizarre. It's very different. And it's not good for you to take in the opinions of hundreds of thousands of people that may or may not be mentally ill, may or may not be going through a divorce. Yeah, have an ax to grind. Or just...

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Look, if you're successful in particular, there's a lot of unsuccessful people that are very bitter, very sad, and they want to find everything wrong with you. We were talking about this in the green room last night. I fucking loved the new Beetlejuice movie. I loved it. I read so many bad reviews of it. So many bad reviews that it fell flat. I had a giant smile on my face the whole time.

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I'm a huge Tim Burton fan. I think the guy's brilliant, and I think his movies are so unique because they have this fingerprint of Tim Burton on them. It's like it's so obviously through his mind, his vision. I think the guy's incredible. I love all his films. So for me, I was like, oh, this is great. When they got to the Soul Train, I was like, yes! Yeah. I love it. This is so Tim Burton.

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And so many people criticized that in particular. There was something offensive about the Soul Train. Like, fuck off.

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Everything. It's a fucking cheeseburger. I love cheeseburgers. It's fucking good. Some guy from the New York Times wrote a negative review about Peter Luger's Steakhouse in Brooklyn. Peter Luger's Steakhouse in Brooklyn is a fucking classic.

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But this review was so toxic. And Ari and I had just eaten there. Ari Emanuel? No, Ari Shafir. Sorry. We had just been there like a month before. And we're like, what the fuck are you talking about? We had one of the best meals of our life.

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Yeah, it comes sizzling and there's butter on it and the smell.

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All the guys who worked there have been there for 35 years. Shout out to Peter Lugers. Shout out to Peter Lugers. But it's the point. It's like even a place like that, that you should go there and just take in what you're experiencing. You're experiencing a classic old-school steakhouse that does it exactly the same way every time.

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Of course. It's business really business relationship.

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Forever. But it's just that people, even in that, will find negativity. Everything sucks. And I think we were talking about this last night, that I think this is a symbol of the times we're going through right now because everyone is so anxious. The presidential elections are headed and no one knows what the fuck is going to happen or what's the right answer. Is it better if she gets in?

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Is it better if he gets in? Is he going to be a dictator? Is she going to crack down on free speech? Are we going to be in World War III? Does Iran have a fucking nuke? Was that earthquake a nuke or was it just an earthquake? There's a nuclear test.

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Why does God hate Florida? All these different things. There's so much going on. Israel and Gaza and the Middle East and Fuck man, it's so everyone is like fuck Tim Burton fuck that movie fuck this fuck that restaurant It's like it's just this the zeitgeist is disturbed. We don't have it's not a peaceful time in in our lot of anxiety Yeah, yeah

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And I think we're missing out on the reality of our existence, which if we lived at any other time, we lived in 1924, and you got a time machine to go to 2024, you'd be like, holy shit, this is amazing.

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And you couldn't drink water because you'd get the shit.

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It was bad.

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It was bad. There's a reason why most people in history were drunk. Because they had to drink alcohol because if you drank regular water, you'd have fucking poison in it. It's like you're getting bacteria.

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There's no good stats. Well, there's a good stat in terms of if you look at society in comparison to society of 200 years ago, it's safer.

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It could literally be one guy who's a top executive. Or a hundred. Or a few people that come to a conclusion and don't even have to say it. And then a plan gets hatched. Yeah. And then next thing you know, there's a guy on a roof.

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Yeah, people are kinder. People are way more educated.

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We understand things more.

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This is my fear with universal basic income, which I think is inevitable.

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I think that's the only way we're going to be able to keep people alive. My fear is that we're going to have too much control over those people if we do that, and those people will have no purpose. And we'll have an even more disenfranchised population than we have today. And the haves and the have-nots will be even further and further apart.

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And there's no real education that is in school today where you take a child and you say, hey, look, the world is going to change and most of these jobs are going to be useless. You're going to have to find something that you love that resonates with people. And if you do that, people are going to be willing to exchange that for money.

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Yeah.

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Whatever it is. If you can make- Ceramics. This table, a guy named Drew made this table. I know the man who made it. He is a carpenter. He made a table out of wood. We gave him the specifications. I told him I like oak. You're like, this is a handmade thing. And a handmade thing is always, to me, is going to be very valuable. I love a handmade knife. Yes. I love things that someone worked on.

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I love a painting like- A painting that someone like my friend Taylor made this. He painted it. He sat down in his studio. He painted it. And I love that. That's always going to be valuable. The problem is most people have never been encouraged to pursue their interest. They've been encouraged to get a job and get a safe job.

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And they probably don't even know what their interests are or how those interests could translate.

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Right. They've been stifled.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's not necessarily buy them off. It's keep them alive. Yeah, keep them alive. Because people are not going to have any fucking money.

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I don't think we should look at it that way. I think there's got to be a concerted effort to educate people about the possibilities of their life on earth. That they've been indoctrinated to think that they have to be a worker. How many of these people are out there that are doing masonry work really want to be a painter? How many of those people that really wanted to be in a band?

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How many of those people? There's something probably that most people want to do. One thing the universal basic income will do is if you give everybody 100 grand a year, whatever it is, you're going to satisfy. They're not going to worry about rent. They're not going to worry about food. So now maybe they can pursue. The problem is people get fucking lazy when you give them free money.

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It's not everybody.

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But a lot of people, they just exist and they'll just play video games all day. And, you know, look, if we're going to deal with a society where everything is run by AI and automated, you're going to have to give people money. Because the extraordinary wealth that's going to be generated by AI is going to make that not that difficult to do.

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Right? Over the last couple of years, we've given 100 and what? How many billion dollars to Ukraine? I think it's more than, it's up to 200 billion now.

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Yeah.

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Something crazy like that. That amount of money, when you're dealing with AI, when you're dealing with automation, just to keep people fed and housed, like, that's reasonable. But you're going to have to figure out a way to give people purpose. Yes. And that's going to have to be a revamping of the education system.

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Yeah, and you become an adult. That's it.

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Well, it is if you enjoy it. Exactly. Yeah. If you have a business that you actually enjoy doing.

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Yeah.

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We have to. And there's also this comparing thing. You know, I was at dinner the other night and my friend who's friends with this billionaire. His friend is a billionaire. And his friend was comparing his wealth to friends of his that own multiple corporations that are worth 30, 40 billion. He's like, I'm fucking poor compared to that guy.

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Right.

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You missed the whole point. You missed the whole point of getting wealthy. You have fuck you money and you're not even saying fuck you. You should be on a boat somewhere, man. You should be marlin fishing. You should be fucking lying in the sun. You should be doing things you enjoy doing. You should be taking that trip you always wanted to take. That's what you're supposed to be doing.

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You're not supposed to be keeping up with other billionaires. So you're working 16 hours a day on Adderall just so that you can fucking get those stock numbers moving.

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That's nice. And having a cushion.

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So you don't have to worry about like, I remember the first check I got a real check. I got a development deal from Disney of all people when I was like, uh, I guess I was like 26 and, And it was the first time I ever had a good chunk of money, like six figures in the bank. And I felt weight. Different. I felt weight lifted off me. Like a physical feeling of, whoa.

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Because my whole life, it's like, how am I going to eat? How am I going to pay my rent? How am I going to do this? And then all of a sudden. I don't have to worry about that anymore. And I was like, oh, I get it now. And I remember this revelation. Like, okay, now I just have to keep this momentum going.

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Because once you have a good amount of money where you don't have to worry about money anymore, you don't want to ever get back to that desperation feeling. That's a terrible feeling. And that's the feeling most people are listening to this exist in. That feeling of concern about your bills. It's the number one struggle in marriages.

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I guarantee you it will cause less crime. I think crime will dip substantially. I think there'll be less civil unrest. People's needs will be met. It'll give everyone that feeling of, oh. I don't have to worry about my bills anymore. It's just finding purpose. That's going to be the next thing. And the people that are really going to be fucked are the people that didn't find purpose already.

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And then they're like 40 and then that happens because they're going to be sad. And that's what I'm worried about. I'm worried about the people that are already sort of indoctrinated into a certain specific way of living. And then all of a sudden their purpose, which was their job, you know, they worked at the factory and they're like, you know, Johnny's employee of the month.

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Johnny, you're doing a fucking great job. We really appreciate you. And that guy feels purpose. He puts in a hard day's work. When he gets that paycheck, he knows he earned it. That's who he is. He's the number one guy at the plant. He's the foreman. He's the guy the men respect. That's a real thing for human beings. We need a thing that makes us feel like we're progressing.

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It's a part of our DNA. Our DNA, the reason why we're still alive, the reason why we survived is because we solved problems. We figured out what's going on. We made ourselves useful. And it makes you useful to the tribe. It makes you feel good. You have a sense of purpose. That's the guy that's the best hunter. She knows how to fucking plant vegetables. He knows how to make cloth.

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Everybody had a job. And it gave you a sense of purpose.

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Yeah.

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We're going to have to figure this out quick because I think it's going to be like the birth of a child. It's going to be like this screaming, painful. It's going to be this thing filled with anxiety, but it is happening whether we like it or not. And if we don't start educating children.

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about the benefits of having a fulfilled life where you're doing something you actually enjoy and not telling them, don't do that. It's too hard. Don't do that. It's risky. Thank God I didn't listen to anybody because I, You wouldn't exist. I would have not a thing I did ever anybody told me to do. Not fighting. My parents tried to stop me from fighting when I was doing martial arts.

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When I tried to do comedy, they were worried that, why aren't you? You did so well in martial arts. Why are you quitting and doing this new thing? And every fucking step of the way, when I started doing podcasts, my friends were like, what are you wasting your time doing this for? We started doing video podcasts.

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I was like, I don't care. I just want to do it. Just do what you like to do. But I just, for whatever reason, got lucky that I got into a pattern like that very early in life. Both my parents worked, so there wasn't a lot of guidance. So I found a thing that I liked, and I just went and did it. And, you know, they're like, why are you wasting your time? Bye, Mom. Fucking leave the house.

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And I was on my own. And so I got into a pattern of that early. But there's so many people that don't and so many people that get a job. And then that job is going to go away and it's going to be replaced by a fucking computer. And if you're listening to this and that happens to you, don't become an alcoholic. Don't just give in. Find something else. Find purpose. Find a thing.

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Go back to what you love.

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There's so many. I wish I had 50 lives to live simultaneously.

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Me too.

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I would have a bunch of different jobs. I've always wanted to do a bunch of different things. There's so many interesting things in this life.

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Howard Stern used to mock podcasts, and he was my hero as a guy who loved listening to him on the radio. And hearing him mock podcasts when I was doing them, I was like, damn. I was like, oh, he's wrong.

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Ah, it's a good laugh. It's a good one. It's the best laugh.

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We've got to stimulate them. Stimulate them with interesting things. I mean, that's when we're talking about how I got this unexpected education on this podcast. I realized that it wasn't that I was not interested in things or that I wasn't intelligent. It's that I wasn't stimulated. And I was a very physical person when I was a kid. I had so much fucking energy.

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And when you're sitting in a class and you're a little buzzsaw, it was like, I can't do this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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If I lived with the wrong parents, and especially in a different time, I would have 100% been medicated. But what it was was that I was a different car. I wasn't a Honda Civic. I was a Shelby Mustang. I needed to go. I need to go. I got to get stimulated by things. I need stuff that excites me. I can't just sit down and I'm not good at listening.

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It doesn't just do that. It tells you to not go for it.

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It tells you you're a bad person if you can't be bored.

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You don't fit in.

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We all celebrate these people that escape. Somebody had to be Jimi Hendrix. Somebody had to be Richard Pryor. Like, obviously, they were real. Like, so they did it.

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It is fascinating, but I like the way I do it because I get to talk to anybody I want to. I don't have to just deal with things that are disturbing. I can talk to someone who's a beekeeper. I can talk to someone who makes cabinets.

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You got to pursue it like your life depends on it because it actually does. It actually does. And you can get gig jobs. You can wait tables. You can drive Uber. I drove limos. I did construction. I did whatever I had to do. I delivered newspapers. I did whatever I had to do to try to do a thing. And I didn't know if I was going to make it, but back then...

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When you're 21 years old, you have no responsibilities. No health insurance, no nothing. And you could just fucking try things. Just try things. And if you don't do that, you're going to be sad. And that's the reality of the world we live in. When people want to talk about the levels of depression in this country, what about the levels of purpose?

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And do they coincide with the levels of how many people have learned to control their emotions? How many people have learned to get their health in order? How many people have learned how to meditate? How many people have learned how to think about things before you make a decision and try to give yourself advice objectively?

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How many people have learned how to apologize to your friends, apologize to your family if you made a mistake? How many people have learned to own up to when you were in the wrong? Instead of just covering it up and pretending and arguing and trying to distort things, just learn. Learn and grow. We all make mistakes.

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And if you're on the wrong path in life and if you're doing something you don't want to do, figure out a way to get the fuck out of that job and actually do it. Don't talk about it. Fucking do it. And if you do it, it's going to be so exciting. It's going to be terrifying. You'll be like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm afraid. Oh my God, I got to make this happen. Yeah.

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You have to. You got to. You have to. If you don't, you're going to be sad. And that's just the reality of a lot of people. Or you're going to be angry. And it's really, you're not even angry at the things you think you're angry at. You're angry at your existence.

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It's the best day ever.

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Yeah.

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That's what you should enjoy. If you're sitting at a restaurant having a nice steak and a glass of wine, you should enjoy the fact that we're not in rubble.

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This really is the promised land. It really is. I mean, clearly not for everybody, but also there's a possibility. The opportunity awaits itself right here. It really is the greatest country the world has ever known. In the middle of all the bullshit we're going through and all the chaos and all the potential wars that we're involved in and wars we're involved in.

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Well, it's just what I'm interested in. It just happens to be that a lot of people are interested in these things. So it's lucky. And it's also because I'm actually interested in it, I don't have to have fake conversations. There's no one I have on where I'm like, I can't believe I'm talking to this man. Well, you see that, right? You see that in late night talk shows.

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It's still the greatest place ever, the greatest time ever. It's just confusing.

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Cast systems.

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And if you want to get ahead, people get angry at you.

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I used to want to live in Canada. I used to love Canada.

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I thought about living in Vancouver.

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I was like, I could live in Vancouver. Like if shit hits the fan in the United States. It's a beautiful country. And Canadians are amazing people. They're amazing. Amazing people. I always feel like Canada has 20% less douchebags. That was my feeling. When I used to do shows up there, we would all talk about it. We'd do a gig in Toronto. We'd do a gig in Montreal.

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And we were like, Canada is the best.

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I love it up there. I love the people. They're friendly and hardworking. They're peaceful. They're smart. They're educated. It was always fun. I loved it up there. I just love the attitude of the place. I've met so many cool people in Canada. But now the way Trudeau is running it, it scares the shit out of me. I'm like, you guys are sliding into communism. You're sliding every day.

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They push a little bit further, a little bit further. I mean, if you don't get rid of that guy, if you don't turn that thing around, you're fucked.

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They don't want to be interviewing this person. It's too much.

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Yeah, it's nonsense.

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Well, vice versa. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Call of Duty. You know, when a new Call of Duty drops, everyone's trying to find a way to squeeze in those extra hours of gameplay. I get it.

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Zero. Yeah. The only thing that changes is if there's someone who really wants to push reform, really wants to change things. And the real question is, like, when you get a guy like Trump who's promising all this stuff, how much can you actually get away with? How much can you actually change? What can you actually do and will that change things for the better?

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That was what it was. Well, not only that, a long time ago, we gave in to allowing money to enter into politics and this huge influential way. And then we allowed pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on television and all those things. But those were the big ones, because as soon as you had control of the narrative, there's no way the media is going to.

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the spoil the relationship that they have with their biggest providers of revenue they're not going to do that so whatever it whether it's the food companies or whether it's pharmaceutical drug companies they're going to ignore as much as possible about the negatives of of these products and then you have a propaganda state where you have these people that are literally hired to say stories they know are not true because this will benefit the people that are their advertisers and that's where you get fucking crazy

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It's also how that model implodes, which is fascinating. So that model becomes less relevant. And the Michael Schellenbergers and the Matt Taibis of the world, then people start turning to them. The Glenn Greenwalds of the world. People say, well, these people are honest. Well, I'm not a journalist.

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But these people are honest.

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Yes. And then crazy people too. But that's fine.

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Yeah.

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I don't remember where I was going. Where was I going? So what they've done is they've created their own demise by giving it to Satan's deal. So by sucking Satan's cock and getting all that money, you've now – you're not – a news organization anymore. You're a propaganda outlet and everybody knows it. You have the news, but the news is a thin layer of bread on the shit sandwich.

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Why did Bezos buy the Washington Post?

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By the way, it worked. Yeah. Well, I mean, look, you can use money to get a lot of things done.

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It's pretty close.

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It fluctuates depending on what polls.

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Look, can I pause you for a second? Because Jamie, you brought something. Jamie, you didn't bring it up. Somebody else brought it up. Sean brought it up to me. Was there some sort of a physical altercation between Jill Biden's people and Kamala Harris' people?

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Is it a good Twitter account? Yeah.

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There's a few people I follow where I know they're full of shit because they just want to see nonsense.

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And I just go, what does this take? It's a lot of the Michelle Obama has a dick.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. But I'm like. Yeah, I'll send this to Jamie so he knows what we're talking about. Yeah. It's just like.

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How do you say his name? How do you say his name? Posibic? Posibic. But this guy's pretty legit. There was a physical altercation between Jill and Kamala staffers in the White House after Jill's press room last week began with the accusation that Bidens were undermining Kamala deliberately per White House official. Well, it does seem like he's doing that.

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Like when he called that press conference, he hadn't called any press conference. So he decides to call a press conference in the middle of a national emergency.

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Yeah, and he's out, but he's still the president, so he can call a press conference, so he decides to do that. Wearing the MAGA hat. Like, look, there's no fucking way they're happy they got kicked out, and Jill did not want him to step down. She started taking cabinet meetings. Right. Like, who elected you? Can I do it? Let me do it. Let me do it. I'm not elected either.

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Let me just sit in, find out what's going on with these people. What are you talking about? How are you running a cabinet meeting? You're just married to the guy that's the president.

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Yeah, but he wasn't there.

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There you go. I hope she's running it. I hope she's boss bitch.

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Yeah. Do you think his dementia was convenient?

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Reagan's. I always wonder if he was doing like a Jimmy the Chin type thing. No. Look, Reagan- Here's Jimmy Tingle, who's an amazing comedian. He had this great bit way back in 1988 when Reagan was in trouble for selling weapons to Iran.

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And he said, I can't recall. Yeah.

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I would do that. He said he couldn't remember anything. That's a good move.

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Who could tell you whether or not you can remember things? You could play dumb.

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Yeah.

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That's what Jimmy the Chin did. I don't remember. Do you know that story?

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No.

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Jimmy the Chin Gigante was a mob leader.

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Yeah.

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And he would walk around with a bathrobe and slippers and just mumble to himself.

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Yes.

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And he would walk down the street with his capos, and the FBI knew this, and so what they did was they put these little microphones on all the hubcaps so that they could record his conversation as he walked down the street. So as he's walking down the street, they were recording everything. Wow. I love shit like that.

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Like when Israel intercepts the pagers of Hezbollah and blows everybody's balls off, that is – look, it's terrible that those people died, but it seems like they weren't good people. But at the bottom line is, you know how fucking genius that is?

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Wait months and make sure that no one's on an airplane.

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I've read that. Yeah, it's a great book. It's about this.

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Yeah, yeah. It's all about Israel.

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Yes. Fantastic. It's crazy. When you find out they're doing that, like, God damn. Well, you know how goddamn genius that is? Imagine being them and realizing, like, this is how deeply Israel's infested your organization.

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And then they're trying to get new guys and they're like, I don't want that gig.

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The whole thing is very, very fascinating. Well, they're the people that invented Pegasus. They invented the ability to just now apparently with Pegasus 2, all they have to have is your phone number.

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Really?

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I don't know about that.

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I would tell that to people. Just a fucking idiot. Shut his phone off.

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It's true. Meanwhile, you're never off. The phone's actually never off. Yeah, exactly. That's how you can use Find Your Phone.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I'm sure there's probably some hacks, but Eric Prince. has a new phone called the unplugged phone that's designed by the guy who created Pegasus, apparently. And it's like this untrackable phone that kind of constantly, but... Who knows? I don't. I think you are, first of all, with quantum computing. When quantum computing becomes ubiquitous, there's going to be no more passwords.

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Everyone's fucked. And we're not prepared for that.

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It's going to be real weird. Because I've always said what money is today essentially is numbers. It's just ones and zeros.

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Yeah, we make it up.

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And the thing that you see with the internet is as technology increases, people get more and more access to information, to ones and zeros, to data. The bottleneck is going to be money. And eventually that's going to break through. And then what do you own? And who owns what? And where is it stored? And what is it?

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Oh, 100%. Every time I have a conversation, every text I send, even the fucked up ones, I go, well, someone's got that.

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Not only that, if you're in some sort of a trial, all that shit becomes public record.

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That's what gets really weird. Like there's two different people that were involved in trials where my text messages to them became public and got printed in stories. One was Alex Jones. The other was Elon Musk. It's very strange that they just have access to your text messages.

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Yeah.

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Like for what reason? Yeah. Because I'm talking to some guy that I know. Like what do you, what do you, like the fact that, and the Alex Jones thing, they wanted every text message he and I had ever exchanged.

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Wow.

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Fuck you.

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Yeah.

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Fuck you. So we got it down to whether or not he talked to me about Sandy Hook.

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Yeah, it's a sport for people, and it's a way to make a living. I mean, it's like gold digging. It's a viable strategy.

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There's a lot of that. There's a lot of that. Definitely a lot of that. Tort reform, that would be a good thing.

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But I think what we were talking about earlier with quantum computing and AI, I think we're all in real trouble.

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Because I think this society is going to be completely reimagined. And it probably will lean towards some sort of a more socialist existence because of necessity, because of this money thing. Because I just really don't know how you're going to accumulate real wealth if everything becomes digital. I think if everything becomes digital, AI, quantum computing, we're going to have real chaos. Right.

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And if you're just rioting to get universal basic income raised up to $125,000 a year, that's what we're going to be dealing with. People are looking for incremental improvements in their life where they don't have any other way to make money. It's like they're stuck on the dole. And we could have an entire class of society that's just stuck on the dole forever.

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Yeah, which gets larger and larger, especially as technology increases to the point where almost all jobs are irrelevant. Like Hollywood is in deep shit. They're in real, real, real deep shit.

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Right.

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You do it through prompts. And you do it almost instantaneous. Yeah. That's what's going to be so bizarre. And then the real problem with that is if AI is controlling the news, like who's controlling AI? Like what control? Are we going to get to a point where we say, you know, we're going to have to let sentient AI control information?

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And then we find out that sentient AI is withholding information from us because it doesn't think we're emotionally stable enough to process it, which we probably aren't. Yeah. You know, if there's some sort of a civil turmoil that could happen because some information gets released.

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It's all going to go away.

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Yeah, that's the fear. The fear is rebellion. And I don't think that's necessary. I think clearly there's something happening to the human species that's technology driven. And we're moving into a completely new way of existing. And it's going to be a tumultuous journey. The transformation, the process is going to be scary.

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It's going to be very fucking strange because it's going to be unprecedented in its impact and the speed of its impact. Yeah, the speed is going to be – you know, the internet, it took a couple decades before we figured out how fucked up it is. You know, it came around in the 1990s. People started using it, you know, kind of everywhere. You've got mail.

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And then 2000, you start getting fucked up videos and craziness. And then along comes social media and everybody's like, oh, my God, everyone's connected and everyone's addicted. And then you're getting all this negativity because that's what attracts views. So your algorithm is information. Yes.

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Yeah.

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I guarantee there's some sort of government agency that's involved with just distributing narratives and arguing against certain things.

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Well, once they have quantum computing, we're fucked financially.

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Because as soon as someone has that with AI, the whole financial institutions crumble. We're going to be in a giant mess. And I don't understand how they could ever figure out a way to stop that.

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Yeah.

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I just don't. I see as technology scales up, it's just going to have more power and more access. And the innovation is going to come so fast, you're not going to be able to keep up with it. And all of a sudden, it'll be too late.

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How long it takes society to adapt to a new technology.

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No, I think it's going to happen so quick. And I have the craziest thought about it that just keeps popping into my head is that I think that we are creating a new life form. That's what I really think.

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But I think that's what the universe does. I think that's probably what all these alien encounters are. I don't think they're biological anymore. I think life gets to a certain point where it – It gets so smart that it creates a new version of itself that's superior.

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Either it merges with it. I think that's what the aliens are. I think they're us.

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I think there's parallel.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's also probably other civilizations from other places that are far more advanced that have figured out a way to get here. And it might be interdimensional travelers, which sounds ridiculous until you talk to actual physicists that can tell you it's provable. Yeah, dark matter, dark energy. There's 10 or 11. I don't even know what that is.

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That's just a lack of an understanding of what the fuck is going on.

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Michio Kaku did something like that.

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Michio Kaku, I think he made a particle collider in his house.

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That's nuts.

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But what does that even mean? The thing is, like, what is your brain? And is the soul a real thing? Because I tend to think the soul's a real thing.

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I think there is some sort of a life force that's inside of you that's not just your heart beating. I think there's a thing inside of people, and I think you recognize it when you're around people. And I think... It's one of the most unique aspects of being a conscious creature is that we think of ourselves as individuals, but we're really connected to some great well of souls.

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Yeah, there's something that's going on where we're all in this together in some bizarre way that's, for some reason, very difficult for us to recognize in normal life.

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regular life it's hard for us to like you you get these moments where you feel it whether it's a psychedelic experience a near-death experience a profound love feeling there's joy yeah there's the birth of a child there's moments in life where you feel like everything's connected like you you see like through the curtains yeah and you get a chance oh god this is so much bigger than us or creativity than everything when something just comes to you and you're like where the fuck did that come from right it's the yeah it's in the it's in this

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It's in the space around you somehow or another. That's the concept of consciousness being what you're actually is tuning in to what's out there. It's not local. Your consciousness is not this local thing. Your brain, the local thing, is just an antenna.

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And it's distributing this consciousness through your unique biology and unique life experiences and where you live and who you're friends with and what you interact with on a daily basis, what kind of energy you get in, what kind of energy you put out. And it's all somehow or another bizarrely connected to the way the whole universe works, that it all works together as one unique gigantic system.

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You know, that's the craziest theory that came from the Bob Lazar stuff. The craziest, you know, the Bob Lazar stuff, the guy who was working back engineering UFOs for the government in the 1980s.

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He told the same story. You know more about it. This guy's told the same story for 30 plus years. It's the same story. He was an engineer. He worked at... Los Alamos Labs. And then he left there and they hired him to do propulsion work.

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Right.

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And they brought him in and they showed him this thing that had an American flag on it. And he was like, oh, it had an American flag sticker on it. And he was like, oh, they're ours. That's why everybody's seeing these things. This is like some top secret thing that we're working on. And slowly but surely, and again, this is not fact. This is just his story.

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Slowly but surely, over time, he's brought in to analyze this thing, tell us how it works. He realized, like, this is not ours. It's too small. The ship... was made for three-foot-tall inhabitants. Everything looked like it was 3D printed. There was no seams. There was no bolts. The whole thing had no – there was no electronics.

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It somehow or another was connected to the minds of the pilots, and it had some sort of a reactor that had a stable form of element 115, which was just theoretical at the time. It wasn't even proven until they proved it with a particle collider in like the 2000s.

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So this guy was telling the story about how they have this element and bombard this element with radiation and it makes this gravity propulsion device.

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So one of the things that he said was that they had a very thick book that was all information about religion and that this was one of the things that they had got from these alien inhabitants that we are vessels, that they look at us as containers for souls.

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A little nutty. But also, like, if, just think about this. That sounds crazy that we're vessels for souls. But imagine if the life force of a soul is a real thing that's limited to biological organisms. But then you create life that is not biological. And you create this thing that is this sentient life force that's digital, completely digital. But it doesn't have a life force.

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It doesn't have soul to it. Now, imagine you bridge the gap with hybrids. So you have a thing that is part alive, part a biological organism, and part interconnected. And it needs to be – if it wants to continue to have creativity and desire and needs –

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And it actually has a task that it wants to accomplish and that this has to be connected somehow or another to biology and that if you want biology, you have to have a soul.

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Well, if this is what the universe does when it creates superior beings, it kind of makes sense that we have all the attributes that we have. It makes sense that we're territorial. It makes sense that we fight over resources. It makes sense that we're competitive. And it makes sense that we're inquisitive and that we constantly search for innovation. We want the newest, best stuff all the time.

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We have throughout human history. We've always aspired to have the best plows, the best trucks, the best this, the best that. We always want better and we're always working on these things.

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Yeah.

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What does that lead to? That leads to artificial intelligence. It's almost like that's what we're doing. We're making this cocoon and the butterfly is going to come out of the cocoon and we don't even know why we're making it. We're just fucking toiling along, doing our thing. And it also connects to materialism because one of the things that materialism does is it encourages innovation.

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It encourages constant purchasing of goods. If the phones that we have right now are perfect and we never have to get a new phone, all you have to do is repair them. It would just be repair shops everywhere. You would need a new phone. There would be no need for innovation.

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Yeah. Yeah, right. But, well, light bulbs were better. They used to be better because they didn't burn out.

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Yeah, but then they came out with the LED light bulbs. It's actually even better because then they don't, you know.

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They're all cool. The ones that never burned out. They are cool.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah, they just have to make the filaments bigger.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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We're just like, nah, make it so they die off.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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This is a whole industry. Make them buy another light bulb.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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6854.309

Yeah, you shut the lights out. You're going to burn the light bulbs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah, and then they burn. They get black in the bottom. I'm like, shit, we lost the light bulb. Yeah. But if phones were, I mean, if we're satisfied, phones are so good. Why do we need new phones? But we do. Oh, the iPhone 16's coming out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Ooh, Samsung has a 25, Ultra 25's got a better zoom. And you just fucking keep hopping on that. It's just a normal thing that we do. We do it with computers. We do it with everything. We do it with cars. And I think that that's just a constant thirst for technology.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah, Moore's Law. But Moore's Law is out the window. It's out the window now. It's all exponential anyway as soon as all this stuff gets popped out, as soon as we give birth to that AI demon.

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Supposedly, Area 51. Supposedly, S4. Area 51, S4. Site 4 is where he worked. See? I don't know. I don't know how much of it's bullshit. I think some of it's bullshit, right? So whatever it is, you have to say some of it's bullshit. It seems like the United States government is spending an inordinate amount of time studying these things. There seems like there's a ton of whistleblowers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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There's a ton of programs that most of us did not know about. So why do these programs exist? So it is either a top secret drone program that has a super sophisticated propulsion system that's far beyond anything that we're aware of today. That's probably true as well. But also, the universe is filled with stars. The universe is filled with planets.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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The odds that none of them have life are very low. There's Fermi's paradox, like where are they? Well, they probably don't want us to know too much about what they are because they want us to figure out a way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Also, get to the next level. Get to the next level. You don't just fly in and give people death rays.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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I would imagine the correct... The correct path is to let people evolve, let people make these mistakes, figure it out, have revolutions, have elections, have innovation, have this constant desire.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7006.59

Exactly. That's the problem, too. And then also, I think. There's probably an interdimensional aspect to it. There's probably some things that aren't even real that you're seeing, but they are real somewhere else, and you have a window to them.

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There's probably bizarre states of consciousness where a certain amount of psychedelic chemicals are released by your brain and a certain level of anxiety and a certain environment and circumstance where you have access to a frequency that's not normally available to you. And I think some people are having these kind of experiences, and they're calling them aliens.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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But I do think there's something going on with crafts. And the thing about these crafts is they existed way before there's any reasonable assumption that people had technology that could do those things. Like the Kenneth Arnold sightings from the 1950s are the best example. Something that was moving far faster than anything that we had. Silent, looked like a saucer skipping over the sky.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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They saw like a bunch of them flying around. These guys are fighter jet pilots. They don't have a history of making up things. They're not liars. And there's a ton of those sightings. And those sightings go way back. They go way back. And it's probably some of the stories in the Bible and the Bhagavad Gita. There's a bunch of stories about flying things and flying chariots and wars in the sky.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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There's some wild shit. And you've got to imagine that if this is a long, slow process that every intelligent being goes through in the universe, that this is just like – We look out, we see all these different planets that are in the Goldilocks zone. So we know that the kind of life that we have can exist in these planets.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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How many of them have people or things or some form of super intelligent organism?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Probably infinite numbers. Probably infinite numbers. And they probably visit emerging civilizations. It just makes sense. Just like we would. Just like we would visit a Stone Age culture and watch them from afar. If we found some lost tribe in Siberia, you know, with fucking— Like the island off India, you know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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There's tons of examples of how we behave in those situations, and we're retarded.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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If you imagine something that's far more advanced than us, it would be much more sophisticated in its approach, probably would occasionally abduct people and study their biology, probably does have a way to erase memories, probably does leave people with significant trauma and confusion as to how this experience is real. How do you put it in the context of your normal day-to-day life?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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How come it never happens again? Yeah. You're just sitting home waiting. This is going to happen again. And then the rest of your life you're like freaked out that the walls are going to melt and all of a sudden you're going to be on a spaceship again. If that is real, like who fucking knows?

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And those people, imagine being one of those poor people that does get abducted by aliens and everybody thinks you're an idiot. Everybody thinks you're a liar. Everybody thinks you're a fool. Oh, Mike lost his mind. Thinks he got abducted by aliens. Meanwhile, he really did.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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It's going to be a real problem. And I think it's a slow trickle. So I think that that's what we're experiencing. And I think this is normal. I think there's like deep denial in the 1960s. And there's also Operation Blue Book, which is a concerted effort to dismiss all the sightings as illegitimate and swamp gas. I mean, J. Allen Hynek, who ran that program.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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When you started Vice, it was one of the most refreshing news sources. Because it was like these intelligent people that didn't seem like regular journalists. They seemed like just people that you knew.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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eventually, when he left the program, became a huge UFO believer, and then completely changed his tune and explained how he was told to debunk everything, but there was a bunch of things that he couldn't debunk. I think the number's like 90-10. 90% of the things you could, oh, that's Venus, that's this, that's that. 10%, there's no fucking way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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This is like, whatever this is, there's physical evidence, there's a bunch of shit. Something happened, and he was a believer before he died, a big believer, and a proponent, and would talk about UFOs openly. And I think there's too many of those guys for it all to be bullshit. There's too many people for it all to be bullshit. But some of it is bullshit. And some of it is ours.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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I think some of it might be back engineered. I think some of the Bob Lazar stuff might be legitimate. Like they found things, whether these things were left behind for us to discover, whether they made some sort of a deal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7263.942

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7264.663

But I think there's intelligent life other than human beings that interacts with us. Bingo. That's what I thought.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7328.136

I think so. Yeah. Obviously, a lot of people agree. It's just you're always going to have people complaining. You just can't listen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7334.841

That's the thing. It's like if you live your life by the whim of people that are willing to complain openly about almost anything, you're going to live a terrible life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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And these kind of things, if they're not fascinating to you, that's fine. That's you. But I don't know how you could not be fascinated by congressional disclosures, whistleblowers talking about – programs that are beyond oversight that are retrieving crashed UFOs and back engineering them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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And we've been doing this for decades because if they're telling the truth, either this is a spectacular lie or they're telling the truth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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And if they're telling the truth, how the fuck are you not interested?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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They seemed like normal people. Yeah. And yet all of a sudden they're wearing a flak jacket in a war zone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Only to idiots. There's way more people that are... Even the New York Times in 2017, they posted legitimate journalism on UFOs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7406.148

You can't listen to them people. There's a lot of people that could join a cult. If you wanted to start a cult, you could probably do a really good job. You'd probably have a lot of people in your cult.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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They seem like normal people and they're hanging out in a hot tub in Thailand.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Pretty easy to do. Right? Why? Because a lot of people are gullible and they're stupid. It's easy to get people to do things. It's easy to get people mad. It's easy to get people... That think that Donald Trump is Hitler and it's easy to get people to think that Donald Trump is Jesus. It's like there's a lot of opinions out there. And that's fine. That's part of the fun of life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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And morons and their stupid opinions is also flavor. It's a little bit of flavor in the soup of life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah. And sometimes morons learn.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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It's like it was normal people that were interested. Yeah. Like Vice Guy to Travel, that one with Heinmo's Arctic Adventures.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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But we're trying to figure out. And this is where it gets like in the weeds scientifically. Is that what it looks like? Or did you make it look like that to represent these quantum entangled photons, but the shape is arbitrary, like you chose a shape? to get these quantum entangled photons to exist in. I don't know how you would do that. I don't understand the way they're recording it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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I don't understand the technology behind it. I don't understand the science behind it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7491.438

Here we go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7492.259

Scientists have used first-of-its-kind technique to visualize two entangled light particles in real time, making them appear as a stunning quantum yin-yang symbol.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7507.398

Again, I'm reading this. I don't know what to tell you. A reconstruction of a holographic image of two entangled photons. The new method called biphoton digital holography uses an ultra-high precision camera and could be used to massively speed up the future of quantum measurements. So this is the way it's worded. Go back to the way it's worded.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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752.74

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7527.977

The way it's worded is just weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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That is till today one of my favorite videos you guys ever did. I fucking love that story because- It's amazing. You've got this guy that lives in the most remote human. Yeah. Like in this tiny cabin. He's been there since the 1970s. He doesn't even he saw 9-11 in a photograph. That's all he knows about it. He doesn't have any television up there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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It's a first-of-its-kind technique to visualize two entangled light particles in real time. But this is the part that gets me, making them appear as a stunning quantum yin-yang symbol.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7540.373

It's like, what are you saying?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah, it would be super cool if it was true.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7557.418

I don't understand it either. I'm too stupid for this conversation. But just the fact that we know that quantum entangled particles are real. Just the fact that we know this spooky action at a distance that Einstein talked about. The fact that we know that... Quantum particles can exist in a state of motion and still at the same time. They can be in superposition. Like, what do you say?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7581.45

They go in and out of existence. It's measurable. We don't know where they go. We don't know what's happening. It's magic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

7589.078

It's all magic. And then the fact that... Atoms are like mostly empty space. What does that even mean? Yeah. What are you talking about? Yeah. What does that mean? How are they connected? Yeah. Just the nature of existence itself is magical.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7658.685

Yeah. You're taking stardust and turning it into a star.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7665.881

It's pretty amazing. And you need that in order to power quantum computing, by the way. You don't need multiple nuclear reactors to power quantum computing. All of it's bananas, man. It's bananas. I mean, thank God there's so many different kinds of people because there's people that are wholly obsessed in pursuing that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah. I not exactly know what they're talking about.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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I'm so fascinated by the people that study just the universe itself because they're constantly dealing with new data. Like this James Webb telescope thing is like thrown everything into a tizzy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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You know, there's these new red spots that were there, the formation of the universe. They don't know what the fuck they are and they went away. Love it. Yeah, like, what is that? Love it. Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie, because it's one of those ones where you're like, you read it and you're like, what does that even mean? What are you saying? Like, what is this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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This is it on Life Science. James Webb Telescope found hundreds of little red dots in the ancient universe. We still don't know what they are. Yeah. Small galaxies that are either crammed with stars or they host gigantic black holes. The data astronomers have collected continues to puzzle them. And then there's the data where they're finding galaxies that were formed too quickly.

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He gets VHS tapes occasionally and watches them on a tiny TV. Yeah. And he just lives in this subsistence lifestyle, just fishing and hunting and living off the land. And an intelligent, interesting, articulate guy. You know, and he seems way happier than most people I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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So it's throwing into – like they're starting to consider the possibility that the universe is far older than they thought it was.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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And it's probably filled with life just like this. There's probably people doing stupid shit all over the universe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7789.318

Which ones did you, alpha brain?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

7792.639

That's not mushrooms. We have a mushroom one too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

7798.121

Yeah, that's a cordyceps mushroom. It's great for oxygen utilization.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

7804.164

And you don't have to just buy it from us. Buy it from Onnit. Go get Cordyceps mushrooms. Super legit endurance supplement. I did it for concentration.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

7812.39

It was great. Well, that's AlphaBrain. That's AlphaBrain. Yeah, AlphaBrain is the nootropic. AlphaBrain, we have a black label that's like a super strong one now. It's really good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

7825.08

Nootropics are legit, and it's not just alpha-brain either.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7829.422

No, no, I don't smoke. This is just fun. It gives me a little extra energy. Just a little nicotine. Wee! Makes the brain fire up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

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It's really good for your brain. It actually is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

7843.75

Well, if you smoke. Yeah. Probably the best way is probably a patch. But that just feels weird walking around with a patch. No, nicotine good for the brain, bad for the... I know guys who do that when they work. They put a nicotine patch on just for... Really? Nicotine is a legit nootropic as well. Yeah. Nicotine actually positively affects cognitive function.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

7871.39

Vape is fucking terrible for you too. Anything you burn. Well, anything you're putting into your lung. You're putting chemicals into your lungs. They're not supposed to go in there. Get fired up that way. Except weed, of course, man. You know what's another unheralded nootropic? Creatine. Creatine actually increases cognitive performance.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

7890.163

It's a muscle supplement. It's like a supplement that they figured out in the 90s and people started equating it almost like steroids. It was like a scandal. People were taking creatine. It's like a powder. Yeah. I get it in gummy form. I get creatine gummies. I just chew a few of them every day. Great for your brain. Great for your brain. Great for muscle recovery.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

7909.993

There's a bunch of different stuff that's good for your brain. You ever try NeuroGum? Neuro gum's great. It's just gum. It's just gum. You chew it, and it's got theanine in it and a little bit of caffeine. Great for firing your brain up. I'm going to go try it. So when you're doing this podcast thing, do you have, like, a weekly schedule? You're doing it twice a week?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7981.255

What is this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

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Are you mixing this in with investigative journalism? Are you going places and talking to people?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah. Just whatever you're interested in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8097.49

That's just what's so crazy about having so many different groups manipulating us through bots. Yeah. We don't really know what people actually think. And the problem with people is they don't really know what they actually think. There's a large percentage. I'm going to just say men because these are the ones that bother me the most.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

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Men who say things because they know that people want to hear them and because they know it won't get them in trouble to say it. And they don't necessarily believe it. Like it could be about trans athletes. It could be about like some sort of – it's a lot of it is connected to woke stuff. Yeah, politically correct. A lot of it is connected to ideology.

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Like they'll have a super positive gaslighting version of what's going on at the border. And they do it because they have to. Super positive? Yeah, super positive. Like, you know, it's important. Immigration's important. And, you know, it's very difficult for these people otherwise. And they have this, like, bullshit. Yeah, okay, also terrorists.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

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Okay, also murderers and rapists getting released from Venezuelan prisons, making their way across the border.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

817.738

What kind of gene pool do they have?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8344.344

But some people are walking across the border into America.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8376.124

Well, there's a lot of openings.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8388.662

Well, you say smuggle, but people just go across on their own accord, too. It's not just like smuggling.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8400.23

Well, there's a lot of missing children.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8402.131

That's really scary. It's like somewhere in the neighborhood of 300,000 missing children.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

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So you get two narratives. Two completely different narratives.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8429.338

Yeah, that's what's scary about today is that it's hard to figure out. And depending upon what tribe you're a part of, if you're on the tribe of the right, you think one thing. You're on the tribe of the left, you think another thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Isn't it funny? You can't name a kid Adolf, but you can name a kid Joseph. There you go. Isn't that weird?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Well, the bottom line is a lot of people are being brought into this country and then being shipped to swing states. That's real. That's undeniable. The percentage of people that are in swing states of illegal immigrants moving to swing states is off the hook. It's crazy. It's a bizarre number that seems to be a strategy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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849

It's a little weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8497.62

Of course you can eventually. They can. They're trying to. to do that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

850.122

Joseph was too common.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8503.183

Well, first of all, you have no ID voting. Okay. Right. This is something that they're pushed in California and they pushed a lot of places. There's only one reason to have no ID. That's to have people that can vote that shouldn't be voting. That's the only reason. If you only want the people to vote that should be voting, you ask for ID. Just like you ask for ID for everything else.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

852.424

But wasn't Adolf really common with the Germans? I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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for getting on an airplane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8525.931

The only reason to have no ID, the only reason to have no ID, and to push that, and it's only being pushed by the Democrats. There's only one reason that makes any logical sense. You want people to vote that probably shouldn't be voting so you can get some extra votes. That's the only thing that makes sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

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So then if you have people like Nancy Pelosi, who's openly talked about giving amnesty to the people that are already here, You have voters now. So you have voters in swing states that you brought into this country and you provided them an amazing life. And the Democrats brought them there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8551.844

They're going to be loyal to the Democrats, especially if the Democrats continue to provide them with housing and money. And why would you vote that out? Why would you vote for a bunch of people that want to deport you? They're talking about mass deportations. Imagine if you came here from Haiti. You lived terribly poor life in Haiti. Now you have a good job in Springfield, Ohio.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

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And you're like, I can't fucking believe we're in America. This is amazing. And someone comes along and gives you the ability to vote. And then another group is saying, we're going to mass deportate you because you people are eating all the dogs and all the cats. Then there's like this fucking. Of course, you're you're getting voters. You're bringing in voters and you're getting voters.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8589.093

You're going to get them to vote for you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8596.614

Right. We haven't seen it, but it's clearly a strategy that you could employ. And if you were going to employ that, wouldn't you move those people to swing states? You would.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8604.236

And if you find out that there's an app that you can use, and you use this app, and they'll let you in the country, you can schedule a way to illegally move to the country, and then you're legally protected once you've done that. So it's basically an open border.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

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Yeah, no Adolf in the Bible, so. No. Didn't make the cut.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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You know what I'm saying?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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I know what the app – You know how hard it was for you to become an American citizen. Okay? It was very difficult.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

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Right. It takes a long time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

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And you have to give a reason why you're supposed to be there. You have to be an exceptional person.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

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I have a couple of friends of mine who are just coming here from England, and I had to do this visa thing for them, like give them a recommendation. But you have to be exceptional. You have to be something special. Or you can get on that app, and you can just come over.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

868.035

but when you guys were you know when it was young it was like it was new internet right because internet opened up a bunch of different possibilities and it opened up possibilities for legitimate independent journalism and legitimate independent thinkers who were really disconnected from the sort of stiff stuffy mainstream perspective of what's going on in life and you guys gave

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8680.765

It seems like it simplifies people being able to get in the country illegally.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8696.572

Well, it's the big argument on the debate between J.D. Vance and Tim Walz.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8700.274

And they tried to frame it as if this had existed for a long time. And that's when J.D. Vance had to step up and stop them and say, you said you weren't going to fact check. And this is whether that's not true. That app did not exist. You can literally schedule it. It used to be for people that are already here. Like for kids that were born in Mexico but have lived their entire life in America.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

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Yeah, we've got to find out a way to citizenship for those folks. That's fucking crazy. I know a girl. She's 28 years old, and she came over here when she was a baby, and she's not an American citizen because her family's from Mexico. That's crazy. To me, that's crazy. That doesn't make any sense. She's been here her whole life. She's a goddamn American. Let's figure that out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8759.752

It seems like a strategy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8779.62

Right. Well, that's what so many things. I mean, we had that with COVID. We have that with the Ukraine war. Like, who's responsible? Is it NATO? Did someone cross a red line? Would someone violate an agreement? What is happening in Israel? What are the facts? Right. Are they really hiding in tunnels? Is Israel really shooting aid workers? What is going on? What are the real facts?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

8817.634

It is absolutely a huge and confusing issue.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2214 - Shane Smith

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And also, if you're a human being, you have empathy. You have compassion. If I lived in Ecuador or wherever these folks are from, And I found out you could just cross America or you could get on your app and you can get into America. 100% I would do it. And you would too. And, yeah, we have the greatest country in the world. And that's why people want to come here.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

8836.848

And, yeah, you have this land of opportunity. It's amazing. But what we really have to do is make sure we don't let in murderers. And fucking killers and rapists and thieves and gang members. And a lot of them are getting through. And that's what we have to be careful about. It's not just not letting people in. Sure. I mean, I bet we could sustain a lot more people in this country.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

8854.642

And I bet a lot of those people that come over are hardworking, very ambitious people that are excited to be here. They would love to be a part of the American experience. They'd probably love to recognize as Americans.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

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It has to be fixed. But the question is, they could have fixed that.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

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So then they need a show like yours to lay it out. That's what it is. You need something where someone is going to give you- At least try. And not come at it from a right-wing perspective or a left-wing perspective. Just come at it from like, this is what it is.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

8908.291

Yeah.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

8908.931

I think there's more politically homeless people now than ever. I really do believe that. And they're going to side with one side or the other based on their opinion, mostly about Donald Trump. But other than that, it's like you're trying to figure out what team you belong on. And both teams are filled with scoundrels.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

8924.381

You go far enough to the left and far enough to the right, you have the same kind of monster that's adopted a different ideology. That's all it is. Well, they're politicians. It's not just politicians. It's gang members. It's the politicians, of course, that are like the leaders. But you've got these gang members because basically anybody can join.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

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You guys gave a completely unfiltered perspective as a normal human who's experiencing these bizarre circumstances in these exotic lands. And it was awesome, man.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

8943.147

Anybody could join the left and anybody could join the right. And there's a lot of mentally ill people out there. And so they join this and their whole identity revolves on crushing the right or crushing the left. And owning the libs. That's a giant percentage of social media. All these mentally ill people that are in a gang. And that's all it is.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

8963.296

And that's why they attack people, try to de-platform them, try to get them fired, letter campaigns. They're gang members. It's a gang. And it gives them purpose. Because they don't have purpose in their life. Which is why they're on Twitter 12 hours a day. Because they're mentally ill. And it's exacerbated by social media.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9014.089

I give a shit about this stuff. The only way you find the truth is social media. It's just you have to do a lot of sifting. A lot of sifting. You've got to figure out who's legit. And that's where community notes comes in very handy. I like that. And it clowns people on both sides. And it's good. It's very important.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9037.719

That's fucking real journalism, right? If you want to do that, you know better than anybody it's real journalism. Yeah.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

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And especially the way you're doing it now. We're, you know, small. Small, baby. Keep it tight. Small, baby.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9058.188

Nobody wants to listen. All these dudes, they get big and then they have staff. And I go over to their place. I'm like, why are all these people here? There's so many people here. This is a mess. You did it right.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

906.276

It was awesome.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

907.577

And then... Now it's this bizarre propaganda machine that's ideologically captured to the point where it's preposterous. Like they say things that are just so outlandish and so not in tune with logic or objectivity. It's so strange to see going from what you made to what it is now.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9082.516

Nobody came knocking with those dollars. I didn't have a thing that you could sell like that. Because my thing only works if I'm at the microphone. It's a different thing. And it only works if I keep doing it exactly the same way.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

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I'm proud of you. Thank you my friend.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9127.082

Yeah, that's the problem. We used to get people way high before the show, and then they would kind of close off. It's not good. Because you could see them be paranoid. No, it's terrible.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9139.03

It is a bad strategy.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9142.572

It was fun for me.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9143.954

I used to love to get my opening act super high. Yeah. Just to watch them panic when they go out there. I'm like, don't worry about it. Just go have fun. You got to learn how to be yourself in that fog, and maybe you can find something different when you're out there.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9170.16

The scariest thing is when you're talking and you don't know what you're talking about.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

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But all you need is footnotes. Someone goes, trains. Yes.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9182.311

The train. And then all of a sudden, that door opens up in your brain, and you have access to all the information again. It's weird how it sort of compartmentalizes memory like that.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9198.105

It's weird. But it would there were fun days because we were doing it for the right reasons. It was just for fun It was just to do it because I can they all it didn't make any money for so long It was just how long years five years.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9215.675

It basically paid to keep the lights on and paid for web hosts and all, you know.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9224.24

I don't remember.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9226.381

In the beginning, it was super cheap because it was just a laptop and a microphone.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9229.182

Yeah.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9229.663

That was super cheap. And then we started expanding. And then once I got the first studio, I'm like, well, I really need a bigger one. Then I got a warehouse. And then... Then it started getting weird.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9243.61

I had two at Woodland Hills. Did you go to the warehouse one?

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9247.812

Yeah. So there's a tiny one, and then we had the big-ass warehouse. We had a gym in there and all kinds of stuff. Yeah. It's like everything – things scale up, but the most important thing is – The reason why podcasts work, I think, is because people are listening and they know it's just a conversation. So it works in your mind. It resonates in your mind.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9269.759

You know this is not like some heavily produced thing where there's an agenda and there's a script and a teleprompter. And you're trying to pretend that you're being real but you're not being real. So it doesn't feel right to people.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9283.033

Right. And so the more people you have involved in it, the more it's not gonna feel right. My friend had a studio and he has a glass wall and the production staff is all working and walking around behind this glass wall and he sees them and I go, that's a distraction. Why do you have that? This is bad for the conversation. You've missed the point.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9306.928

The reason why it works is because the people at home, the people that are in there, they have ear pods on right now going on a jog. They're just as much in this room as you and I are because there's no filters. It's just us.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9321.949

those things but you're exactly right everybody thinks that they want to be a television show yeah and if you look at a television show that's professional professional i don't think professional's good yeah i don't think it's good i don't think that's why like i'm gonna take the best comedy shows are live comedy shows you want to see comedy watching on netflix is awesome yeah watching live is 70 better yeah because you're there it's a real experience collective experience yeah go back to your we're all

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9352.857

Yeah. And I think once AI comes around, live performance is going to be one of the few ways that we're going to be able to connect with each other.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9359.501

Yeah. Like in a real way. Last human things they can't do. Yeah. Yeah.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9362.682

Yeah. In a real way.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9364.263

Mm-hmm.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9365.024

And that's... It's a scary proposition because we really don't know. Like maybe for the first time ever. If you lived in 1970, you were pretty sure what 1980 was going to be like. Maybe you're wrong a little bit, but you're probably pretty accurate. You could extrapolate. You could look at it and go, I see where this is going. Today, we have zero idea what 2034 looks like. We are just guessing.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9457.162

Well, the thing is also today there's these kind of conversations that are out there that put these thoughts into people's minds and inspire them to do something that didn't exist when we were young. There wasn't these kind of conversations that could really light up the fires of your creativity and your ambition. In fact, it was the opposite.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9478.49

Yeah, you had to be a real rebel.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9480.171

You had to be kind of a crazy person.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9484.793

Yeah.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9489.415

Yeah. And as you were struggling, if you got outside the lines and you were taking a chance, as you're struggling, people were praying for you to fall.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9497.899

All of them, praying that it didn't work out for you.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9501.781

Yeah. Yeah.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9512.787

The thing is, some people don't, though.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9514.428

Some people actually want you to succeed. And they want, they succeed themselves. They want you to succeed. Like, can you realize, like, that's a better way to live.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9522.854

Yeah, I'm a cheerleader.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9524.115

I am, too. Adopt that. You can adopt that. Even if it doesn't feel right because you're, like, grinding. You're trying to make it. I'm telling you. The hoping other people fail is the biggest waste of energy. Even your enemies. Let them fucking just live in their own life. Don't hope they fail. Don't put any energy towards it.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9569.606

Yeah.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9570.706

Yeah. Ain't no fun if the homies can't have none.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9573.687

Remember that song?

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9574.427

Yeah.

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#2214 - Shane Smith

9577.79

All right, brother, tell everybody where your show is. How can they find it? Where do they go?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1001.885

No. I think the New York Post did a thing about it.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10010.163

That's a lot of life. Yeah, you should disappear.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10042.83

Insane.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1008.11

Maybe the New York Post didn't post that he had the debit card. Yeah. I don't know what's true anymore. I'm getting this from the Texas Patriot Twitter account.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10085.559

This is recently?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10091.722

You don't exist. Just the task. The task exists.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10096.724

Yeah, you don't exist. He's become a bit of a monk. So they found this guy? That's one guy. Oh, bro, this is AI. Yeah. That's in a green screen. This is two or three years old. Shut up. It's fake.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10111.505

Look at that dude. I bet that dude's boring as fuck to talk to. Look at him sitting there with a dog.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10123.731

That might be true. He looks legit.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10126.612

Yeah, he looks legit.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10129.867

Yeah. I'd like to see him a couple hours later.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10135.17

Yeah, he looks like he's having fun. What's the temperature like? Dogs are having fun, too, though. Yeah, but that's— We don't think that dog's amazing. That's in Utah. We're like, that dog's amazing. You think that's in Utah? I don't know. Come on, man. That's real. That's some guy on a lot of drugs. That guy is—no, man. He did the DMT breathing.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10155.821

You ever seen their legs in India? What? No. Oh, bro.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10172.21

Yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10180.335

Oh, that's ridiculous.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10182.336

What do their legs look like?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10193.175

How would you describe it as? Standing yogis?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10200.461

India.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10205.305

Yeah, sometimes the ferry's only a nickel. You don't have to stand all day, you fucking idiot. Have a seat. Smoke a cigar.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10213.571

Relax a little bit.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10216.116

I don't know what they're trying to do. They're definitely not trying to get laid, right? Because they don't do it.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10228.382

You're trying to find something. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

10262.069

Standing Babas. What is it? Standing Babas. Standing Babas.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10266.932

Look at that guy's foot. Go back to that other image that you had before.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10271.658

No, that's a woman who's been bound. Oh, that's different. Oh, that's Chinese ladies. Oh, my gosh. That is the most disgusting thing. The Chinese foot binding? Like, Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

1028.665

Oh, so the... You got played. Maybe not. Maybe the New York Post are a bunch of pussies and a bunch of libtards.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

10286.4

Just propped up all the time. That dude looks like he has one leg.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

10293.263

Oh, Jesus. Look at his arm.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

10298.145

Oh, my God. He hasn't brought it down since 1973. Yeah. He sees it as a devotion to Lord Shiva. Maybe Lord Shiva, like, hey, hey, hey, hey, wipe your ass.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10307.37

Wipe your ass. You can't use the same arm to feed yourself and wipe your ass. You're going to have to wipe your ass. That's crazy. Look at that, dude. Look at his arm. I bet I could arm wrestle the shit out of that dude. I bet everything I have.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10320.116

Everything I have, dude. Let's go. You know who's into arm wrestling now? Brian Shaw. Oh, God. Yeah. That's a problem. He's been training hard for it. That's a real problem. Yeah. Look at that dude. Just high out of his mind. I tell you, Brian took a- With fucking white power. I told you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

10340.84

Black power.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

10342.121

White power is the hand? It's all about the hand movement.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

10345.643

So white power is just basically a bitch slap. Pro-black, pro-white. Black power will fuck you up. Correct.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10355.956

Yeah. Everybody else did this. He did this. It's funny. When CNN was attacking me, one of the photos that they would use all the time was me at the UFC waving to the crowd like this. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to- Fuck you guys. They would use me standing like this. This one is- That played quietly-

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10373.515

Yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10386.68

Yeah, very interesting. It's interesting how the mainstream media just continues to go down this road of discrediting themselves.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10397.264

Well, it's the rise of independent journalism because there are the Michael Schellenbergers, the Matt Taibis. Barry Weiss. Barry Weiss. These people in the world. Glenn Greenwald. There's these people that you can trust that are going to tell you the fucking truth no matter what.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1041.26

They are kind of, yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10413.99

Yes. As long as there's freedom of speech. As long as you don't have censorship.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10420.413

Yeah, that's Elon Musk.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10425.156

Well, that was one of the things Zuckerberg came on yesterday to talk about. They've changed their content policy. They no longer have fact checkers, and now they're going to rely on community notes.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10435.581

They used to have fact checkers. Like someone would say something and someone would say, that's not true. The vaccine is nothing but amazing. And they'll take off posts. So what are community notes? Community notes is what X uses. So like say if you post something, it's not true. Community notes underneath it, you could write community notes.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

10452.973

So the community notes would be everybody would post into it, this is not true. And it would come to a consensus. The facts state that this and that. It's amazing. It's the best way to do it. Because eventually the truth comes out. The truth comes out. Brian Callen, I love you to death. Love you too, buddy. You're the fucking man. Two shows tonight. I'm so happy that you're filming at the club.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

10472.565

It's going to be fucking awesome. Thank you. Are you filming tomorrow night?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

10479.869

So tomorrow night, 7 and 10? 7 and 10 tomorrow night. Beautiful.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

10486.472

So exciting. I'm pumped. I'm pumped for people to see your set too. Thank you, though. It's going to be fucking powerful. I'm very proud of it. I'm proud of it. I love you, man. Thank you very much for doing this. Bye, everybody.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1069.074

Like Rick Caruso.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1070.835

Yeah, like that guy.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1077.802

And it's all above ground, by the way. Correct. Which is a real problem when the winds start blowing like that. Correct. Which is what happened in Maui as well. Yeah. If you don't believe in direct energy weapons.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

109.751

See the lady who's responsible for filling the fire hydrants gets paid $750,000 a year. Hey, your tax dollars going to good work there, everybody. That's a lot of money.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1092.331

No, no, no. They're in Antarctica. Antarctica. Yeah, the Rothschilds. It's a cabal of Jews.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1103.459

Yeah. But, you know, the Mossad and the IDF and, like, the influence on politics is pretty well established. Like there's both things. It's like, no, it's not that the Jews aren't the problem in the whole world. No. And when everything goes sideways, people always do start blaming the Jews. Did we ever figure out who said that to us? Was it Jordan? Was it Jordan who started talking?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1126.833

Or was it Gad Saad who started talking about it's one of the marks of a collapsing society when they start blaming everything on the Jews?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

1141.023

Yeah. And improv. And monotheism. Maybe that's not good.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1146.427

And virtual reality. Yes, and virtual reality. Listen, they have more. Eastern European Jews have more Nobel Prizes than I think any other ethnic group.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1155.753

Incredible group of humans.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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You think? That's like I'm the star of a sitcom. Oh, dude. It's star, but like you're the third person on a sitcom.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Some of the funniest people of all time. One of the greatest of all time, Lenny Bruce. Thank you. That groundbreaker. The literal starter of this whole thing. Groundbreakers. Yeah. So I always say that. You're going to have very innovative people.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1300.862

Also, probably funding Epstein, but also probably running a gigantic blackmail ring where they have control over all the politicians in the country.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1313.088

Especially if you're smart. And you're really good at chess. You're like, I know what to do. These guys like to fuck.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1329.394

Oh, I'd love to hear this.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1351.085

Getting pissed on. Yeah, whatever it is, bro. Getting his nuts put in a cinch. Sure. Little kids are shitting in his mouth.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1363.905

They're doing drugs. They're taking wild chances.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1368.928

These are good cigars, right? Delicious. Shout out to Foundation Cigars.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1391.875

How about $20? Well, this is the whole suspicion as to why the guy who was the CEO of Victoria's Secrets gave Jeffrey Epstein a fucking $60 million mansion in Manhattan. And controlled his whole estate. Yeah. And then there was the other guy who was some big CEO who gave him $150 million and had to resign.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1413.712

A bunch of these guys resigned, money got passed around, and unbelievably, the client list has not been released.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

142.694

Trump was talking about that on the podcast. On the podcast I did with him, Trump was going on this long rampage about Los Angeles and the fires and how it all can be prevented and they could have plenty of water. He explained the whole thing and he's right.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1422.599

I mean, it's been years.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1426.54

Was he? Even though I don't know what he really did. You know, the person do I trust about those things is Eric Weinstein. Another Jew. Another brilliant Jew. I love Eric. One of my favorite people. He's amazing. But when I talked to him about it, he actually met Jeffrey Epstein. And he said, and Eric is just way too smart. You know, he's not a guy that you can fool.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

1450.205

Right away. That's what he said. He said, this guy's a construct. He said that he had a woman, like a 21-year-old girl that was sitting on his lap, and he kept kind of like nudging his knee up and down to make her tits bounce a little bit. He kept doing that while he was talking to him. He's like, what is this?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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And he's like, also, this guy does not know what he's talking about when it comes to finances. Wow. You know, like Eric's a legitimate genius. Correct her. You know, a mathematician. You can't lie to him about stuff like that.

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Well, he made his own theory of everything.

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I'm watching this guy doing DMT breathing today on Instagram. He was explaining how to spike your DMT and communicate with entities. And he was saying how you compress your balls and your asshole and all your sex organs and then through your abdominals and you exhale all your breath. And then you breathe like this.

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And you get that DMT flow. Oh, is that what you get? I don't know.

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It's not working with one. Did he have a boner when he was telling you this? The thing is, like, most of these things take a long fucking time, and I'm busy.

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I'm busy, and I'm easily distracted. Correct. I have a lot of ADD.

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Well, that's like Terrence McKenna's old thing.

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Oh, the toad thing's odd.

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But that's 5-methoxy. That's 5-methoxy. Have you done it? Methyltryptamine.

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Yeah. The thing about Kundalini yoga and all these different ways where you can achieve those states, like Terrence McKenna had a great line about that. He's like, one time the Buddha came to visit this town and this monk came to the Buddha and he said, I have practiced a city of levitation for 10 years and now I can walk on water. And the Buddha says, yeah, but the ferry is only a nickel.

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And that was McKenna's take on why would you do this when you could just take psychedelics? Yeah, that's so good. You don't really have to fucking meditate for 10 years, homie. You missed out on a lot of enlightenment while you're staring at a corner of the wall.

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where you're hearing me from there's this sort of echo this idea that you're not a lot of mental jerking off i'm right here i'm looking at you right here i hear you know i know i hear you through my ears because if i plug this one up it sounds different and if i plug both of them up i don't hear you at all i'm assuming the sound's coming in here i'm right here i'm talking to you you're still attached to your physical this is all like the children of rich kids who sit around pondering the universe this is

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Buddhism, man.

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You're not even a good student. They take a backpack and they go on a trek and they stay in hostels because they're amazing.

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No, there's something to that, all bullshit aside. Yeah. It's a weird exercise. Yeah.

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So did the lady on the subway. She didn't make a sound either.

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She was until she was lit on fire.

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Yeah. So I don't know. But the idea would be- Yeah, I've never seen anybody- He never moved. Burning, covered, engulfed in flames. You might not be able to talk. Do you know what I'm saying?

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So he stayed there. Oh, no. It was an incredible display of will.

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They are very different people, sir. That's like saying people in America... are homeless and also Elon Musk. Right. You know what I'm saying?

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Or he had incredible discipline, and through insane pain, he sat there.

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Jamie, bring up the Indian Army. Hold on. Pull that photo back again. It's incredible. Look how insane that photo is. That guy is just sitting there completely engulfed in flames.

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Jesus Christ.

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Now- That's a good argument for celibacy. Because if that guy's getting a lot of pussy... Well, that's right.

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So they rid themselves of... I have a long way to go.

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Yeah, I think all those things are tools to try to break out of the ego, right? The problem that most people have is they think about themselves all the time, and the worst version of it is extreme narcissism and sociopathy. And then the best people are the people that think about others more than they think about themselves.

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Those are the people that we admire the most, the people that genuinely think about other people. That's right. A lot. That's right. One thing that I really genuinely do try to do is I try to not think about myself. I think about things that I must do. I do think about things that I don't like that I did. Like I don't like how I handled that conversation. Maybe I was coming in like a little hot.

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Maybe I was coming in at a five and I should have been at a two. And maybe the reason why it became like a contentious argument was my fault. Yeah. Very good. I'm so much better at that than I was when I was younger at like I can have a conversation with someone that I vehemently disagree with and keep it very civil. Yeah.

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Also, we were all retarded. Yeah. And we were young and stupid, and we had bad role models. We were like, there's a lot of things going on there. You know, and men would shut the fuck up. Men would talk like men. And also, I grew up essentially feral. I didn't have any normal structure.

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Well, you certainly did. You traveled all over the country, all over the world. You were in a boarding school when you were in high school.

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I remember talking to you about your life story. I'm like, it's amazing you're not more fucked up. You should be really fucked up.

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Well, you became the best thing for someone who's fucked up, which is a comedian. Yeah.

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They loved the shit out of me, so that was a huge part of it. Look, my parents are nice, too. It could have definitely been way worse. It's not their fault. They had a child in 1967.

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And everybody was retarded back then. That's right. And their parents went through the fucking depression. So everybody was just, it was a vile time with so many different aspects of our society.

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Yeah, it's all an echo chamber. Well, I'm hoping now that this is a giant wake-up call for these people. I mean, there's no positivity that's going to come out of a horrific fire like that. But at least it'll wake – because look, that area – Adam Carolla was on someone's show talking about this and he said something that's like very – I think he was actually doing it himself.

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violence and crime and it was you know no one knew what the fuck was going on they had just killed kennedy it was like it wasn't a time world war ii was fresh true destruction vietnam was ongoing yeah right so it was a time of great confusion and i don't think you could ever compare it's like And we go back and we think about things that happened in the year 1200.

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You didn't brush your teeth before you went to bed and you smoked a cigar?

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Like, oh, the barbaric conquests of cities and sacking of countries by the Mongols and all this crazy stuff. It's a different time. It's a different time. There's different people in a different time. Our parents grew up in a different time. We are growing up in the most strange time because this is like coming out of –

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this barbaric sort of primal history and recognizing in some strange way that we're more connected than ever before. And the electronics are bringing us connected, but also disconnecting us at the same time. So there's this bizarre struggle for inter-human communication and personal communication and learning how to exchange ideas with people and talk to people in a civil way while you're also...

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You're more informed than ever before, more informed on human behavior patterns and psychology. We're seeing it play out right before our eyes where you've had a total polar shift of some of the key tenants of the left and the right, where the left is all for a war. The left is for censorship. The left is for whatever pharmaceutical drugs they're trying to push. Top-down authority. It's crazy.

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Blind fidelity. Blind fidelity to authority.

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I like 45-year-old ladies. That's why I'm looking at you this way. I like me a hot 45-year-old lady.

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Like a well-kept 40s lady, goes to the gym, does squats, looking good. That's what I'm talking about.

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Hanging on because she wants to hang on. Everybody's 6'2", maybe 6'3". When you're 23, you don't even have to hang on. You're just there. You're perfect.

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Should I eat more berries? Shut the fuck up. Shut your fucking mouth. Come get into my body for a second. Get your hydrogen water. You shut your fucking mouth. Yeah, fuck off.

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You're 24 years old. Exactly. You were just born. You were just born a matter of months ago. Correct. Shut your dirty mouth.

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About permits? Yeah. Yeah. Well, he was just saying that there's – 80% of the people that live there are far left. 80% of the people that got their houses burned down from complete total incompetence and a lack of management. Total incompetence. 80% of those people are far left people. And that's a giant wake up call when you realize, no, these fucking people, this is not the way to do it.

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Well, you're going to be beat up, especially if you work out a lot. Yeah. There's just no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Yeah. Shout out to Ways to Wealth for keeping me glued together, though. I got to. Get involved. Get some peptides and all this stuff. I was talking to Zuckerberg yesterday. He got his knee reconstructed. I said, did you get on any peptides? He said, no. I go, do you hate healing?

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He looks great, by the way. He does. He looks good. He's got a thick neck now.

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I looked at his watch. I was like, that's pricey.

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I don't know. I'm not a real watch head. He doesn't look at prices, sir. Oh, he doesn't have to. No. No. He's like, I'll take one of those, please. Yeah. Smiles. Yeah. Thanks for your data. Smiles. I like him a lot. I do too. I really do. I've hung out with him. I've talked to him quite a few times. He's a good dude.

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He's a good dude with a very weird job, you know, being in control of, what did he say it was? 3. what billion people use? God damn. 3.2 billion fucking people use Facebook.

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Yes. But listen, man, and it's also a nice lesson to all those nerds out there that think they can never be a beast. It's not true. It's not true. You don't have to hate people that are physically competent and formidable.

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You can be one of them. And I always bring up Mikey Musumichi just because he's awesome and he's a brilliant guy who wears these thick glasses, always smiling, and he can fucking kill everybody in the room. Correct. Like Zuckerberg's on his way to becoming that, you know, and he was, if you go back just a few years ago, nerdy guy, you know, who's like really smart, but not, not really physical.

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He's talking about it. He was talking about on the podcast yesterday that he loves training because it gives him a chance to express this side that has been demonized in our culture.

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Your aggression, your competitiveness, all that stuff. Corporate environments, yeah. which have really put the brakes on masculine behavior. And we talked about that yesterday too, that that's actually in some ways a good thing because it gives women this opportunity to excel as well. They shouldn't have to become a man. They shouldn't have that sexist perspective imposed upon them.

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But it's like everything else. It's like an overcorrection.

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You know, like you have things go completely this way and then they come back. Like woke. Like the woke ideology. It went so far right or so far left. Now it's kind of swinging back.

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Did you see that lady, the fire lady who's a part of this whole diversity thing? They said, you're a woman firefighter. Can you carry my husband out of a burning building? She was like, well, if your husband's in a burning building, he already made a mistake. She's a big old sassy fat black lady.

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Yeah. Correct. They get to hear actual men who've made it through the maze and aren't a bitch. Yeah. And they go, hey, wait a minute. That guy seems really nice and having fun. Competent. And he's an actual man. Yeah. There's real men out there. He does shit that's fun, too. He's good at stuff. Good at stuff. Has a good time. Yeah. That's the point. Stop crying all the time.

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Why are we fucking oversharing? Yeah. Why are we promoting and propping up people who fucking cry all the time? Listen, I cry. I cry. I cry if I'm happy. I cry if I'm sad. I cry when I think about my dogs that have died.

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A lot of people get mopey, man. I had a lot of friends that got super mopey when they didn't get things. So think about the audition process. And I've always talked about this. This is a part of the whole problem with the entire psychology of Los Angeles. Because a giant percentage of people at least had... Somewhere in the back of her head, some sort of an aspiration to try to get famous.

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So you move there. You have already an exorbitant need for attention because there's some hole in your past that you're trying to fill up with, I want to be a star. And then you're going somewhere. So you have this need for acceptance. And then you're going somewhere where people judge you. And most of the time judge you poorly. Most of the time they don't like you.

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So most things you audition for you don't get. And if you get one, oh my God, now I'm in. And so now these manipulative people that are in charge of casting you, they can essentially mold your personality based on what they want. If they want a left-wing personality, if they want you to be pro-Kamala and we need a black woman president. I took my eighth booster this morning. I believe in science.

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Love is love. They'll turn you into that fucking thing. They'll turn you into that thing because the entire place is about the golden ticket. Everybody wants the golden ticket. I was so lucky because I never had any aspirations about acting. I had zero. I remember you called me. Remember you called me. But I mean, just let me tell you the whole story behind it.

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Same lady.

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When MTV, when I did the half hour comedy hour, and then I got a development deal to do a sitcom, I had never taken a single acting class. And all of a sudden, I have this development deal. And I'm over there. And when the show that I was on got canceled- I was ready to go back to New York and be a comic again. I was like, fuck this place. But I bought off. I had a lease.

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I had a lease on an apartment for a year. I'm like, fuck. Right. So I was stuck in this. I couldn't afford to not be in this because now I wasn't getting $20,000 a week anymore. Yeah. Whatever the fuck I was doing. I was like, holy shit. And I was ready to leave. And so then I get another development deal. And then I auditioned for the second show I ever do. I only had two auditions ever.

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Hardball and news radio. And I'm on two TV shows. I'm like, this is crazy. And so I never went through that whole thing. I never went through that whole this could change my life. My life was already changed. None of it made any sense to me. I was making all this money. I had a Toyota Supra Turbo. I was like, this is crazy.

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Oh, the NSX.

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It was like a little jet fighter car. I loved it. But it was just like, for me, it was all gravy. So I was watching everybody scramble for this thing, and I was examining the psychology of it and how it affects everything. Because when people didn't get auditions, when they went on auditions, then you went out to dinner with them at night, they were so depressed. That would be me.

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Oh, you all the time. You all the time. You wanted it so bad. I remember we were at the comedy store one night. Because I didn't think there was any other options. And I remember telling you, like, why don't you just do stand-up? Why don't you just throw yourself into stand-up?

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Like, you're so funny, dude. You're so good on stage. But when you get up there, sometimes you're just like, I feel like you're auditioning for a show. Yeah. That's what I felt like you were doing when you were doing stand-up. Yeah. You didn't want to be crazy. But then offstage, you would say silly things. You'd be, like, much more vulnerable and ridiculous. Yeah.

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I want them to look like Brian Shaw. I want them to be covered through the fucking wall looking like Juggernaut.

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And that was the funny Brian Cowell. I'm like, yes. Throw yourself into this thing.

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Yeah. And Dom Herrera said this to me years ago. He was like, Joe, you know, he was like in his 60s at the time. He was like, Joe, I've never been sharper than ever. You just keep doing it and you keep getting better. We're so lucky we're comics. Fuck. We're so lucky. So lucky. And he was. He was better in his 60s than he was in his... He was always great.

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Dom's the best at that. The subtle diss, the comedy diss. I became friends with Dom. Well, I think I'd actually done an open mic night or two before I met him. Or before I paid to see him, rather. But then, not that long afterwards. So this is like... Four years later, like 92, I was working with him in Montreal. We did the – That's intimidating. Yeah. It wasn't though. He was super cool.

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Maybe it was a year after.

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Real comic. So maybe it was 93. So maybe it was like five years later. So I'm like real raw in comedy. But I had my feet under me at that point in time where I had some material that could kill. Like I wasn't a really good comic, but I had a few jokes, especially sex jokes that were bangers. They were bangers. And so we did Montreal together. And then I was in Amsterdam billiards.

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This is in my almost became a professional pool player stage. Like if pool was a real career like golf, I would have become a pool player. Yeah. I just loved it. I loved the pool halls. You're lucky you didn't get into golf, dude. I'm so lucky. You're a maniac. I'm terrified. You're fucking crazy. But I loved the pool players. I loved the hang. They were just so different.

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They were outcasts, and they were loose and fun, and we said ridiculous shit to each other, and everybody was laughing all the time. It was always fun. Um, and I saw us playing pool every night. And so, uh, I had a gig and, uh, before the gig, I think, or maybe after the gig, I went to Amsterdam and, uh, Don Herrera pulls up and he's got his own cue. And I was like, Dom, you play pool.

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I went – That's good. It's a little embarrassing. It's an acknowledgement.

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And he's like, yeah, you play pool. I go, I fucking love pool. I go, let's play some pool. And he was good. We were playing straight pool. which is like the type of pool they played in the movie The Hustler. It's very rarely played in America anymore, but it's an amazing game. You play with a stack of 15 balls, and you knock off one.

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The first break is like a safe break, and everybody moves balls around until someone makes a mistake and leaves an opening, and that guy smashes into the balls, and then you run as many balls as you can in order. So it's called 14-in-1.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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It doesn't matter. You leave 14 balls on the table... And the one ball, like you leave a break ball and then you rack the other 14. And so you shoot the break ball in. The idea is to collide your cue ball into the stack and keep running.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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So let me give a shout out to Jason Shaw because Jason Shaw, who's one of the best pool players on earth, one of the greatest of all time, he just broke the world record in straight pool this week. And I think he ran 839 balls. Jason with a Y, J-A-Y.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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So the record before was set by Willie Moscone in like the 60s, and it was on an eight-foot table with big pockets. That was like 500 and something balls. So he beat that. He ran 714 balls. So that was the previous world record he also owned. And then he just ran 832 balls. When I tell you the concentration involved in doing that, because you're talking about hours of play.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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I mean, I don't know how many racks of 15 balls is 832. Someone do the math. I think when you get that good at anything, you learn everything about life. Well, he's a wizard. And about yourself. He is a wizard.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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Here's how great Professional Pool is right now. He doesn't even win most tournaments. Yep. Is there a nationality that dominates? No. Filipinos are among the highest level on earth.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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Well, because the GIs went there in the 1950s and they brought pool. And Filipinos learned how to play pool in very tough conditions because it's very humid over there. So humidity affects the tablecloth. And the moisture in the tablecloth slows down the roll of the balls. And so you could take two approaches to that.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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You could either hit the balls hard, which is like the American way to do it, or the Filipinos learn to use the entire weight of the cue and have an elegant, almost like artistic way of playing. They have the most beautiful strokes. A stroke versus a hit. Yes, they have the most beautiful strokes, especially at the time. So there was a guy who came over in the 1970s, and his name was Efren Reyes.

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And he came over under the nom de pleur, Cesar Morales. And he was this Filipino kid.

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Yeah, well, he went from Filipino to Mexican. Because everybody would have known him if they had ever gone to the Philippines. Because in the Philippines, he was already robbing everybody. And like a legitimate wizard, a chess genius, an unbelievable, widely considered, if not the greatest of all time, one of the, you know, it's like MMA, like is it Khabib, is it Mighty Mouse, is it Jon Jones?

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All right. See you later. Yeah, I don't know. I would have felt weird about leaving them too, even though you're in a safe space.

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It's one of those deals. One of the absolute greatest pool players of all time. And then from Efren Reyes came all these other, this Filipino invasion where they were just dominating pool. And big money, like giant money games, half a million dollar matches. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah, a ton of them.

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It depends. Some of these guys will play like a race to 120, whoever wins 120 games. And they'll play it over three days and they'll do it for $100,000.

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120 games of nine ball. That's a lot. That's a lot. But that's really going to find out who's the better player. So how long would that take? If you and I played 10 games and maybe I'm a little better than you, you could win those 10 games. Yeah. You could get on a roll. You could get a lot of rolls of the balls where I get safe a few times or I scratch on the break a couple of times.

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And so that's two more games that you maybe wouldn't have won if we were playing, you know, even. And you could win a race to 10. Like the odds of me winning a race to 10 if we were both, if I was just slightly better than you, it would be like, you know, maybe 60-40 or 55-45, something like that. Yeah. But when you get to a race to 120, then your odds dwindle. The better player always wins.

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Yeah, you're good for now. This is the thing about L.A. that there's a viral clip that's going around now of a conversation that I had with Sam Morrell a while back. And we were talking about when I was on Fear Factor how this fireman told me that this was going to happen one day. He said it's just a matter of time. With the right wind, he's like, we won't be able to stop it.

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It's concentration for sure.

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Your body can't break down. The best guys are all fit.

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Guys really do that, too. They clear their mind. They go in the bathroom. They throw cold water on their face. They wash their hands. They change their clothes. They just need something to break themselves out of it. It's a mental game. Like, you know, Jeremy Jones, who's another all-time great, won the U.S. Open, good friend of mine. We were talking about it.

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He's like, I think it's the most mental game in the world because it's not just about thinking about what happens. It's about execution under pressure. And then it's also about you're controlling the rotation of a ball. Like, if you hit it this hard, it goes that far. Subtle, subtle. This hard, it goes that far. And that's what you want.

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You want the difference between an inch and an inch and a half. It's crazy.

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The reason why Magnus Carlsen wins all those chess tournaments.

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You have to. Yeah. That's what makes them so good in the first place. I know guys who change their grip all the time in their cue. Like sometimes they'll grab it like this with two fingers, and then they change it, and then they turn their wrist forward, and they'll play for a year with their wrist forward. Oh, guys do weird shit.

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I took a whole month off of stand-up after I did my special because I didn't have anything to say. You have to. I got drained doing that thing, especially doing it live. I was like, this is so draining. And then I was like, let me think about what I want to talk about afterwards. Do you have any ideas now? Oh, yeah. I've got like 25 minutes now. Yeah. Yeah, it's good stuff. Like, it's fun.

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I'm having a good time.

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No, I don't. No. Oddly enough, out of all the things in my life, this is the one thing that I kind of – well, first of all, I choose who goes on it, right? So I'm always looking forward to talking to those people.

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But I love talking to people, man. I like it. The whole moody loner thing, I don't get it. People, to me, are awesome. They're interesting. I like being inspired. I like being intrigued.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah. Well, I've definitely gotten an unexpected education.

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If you go back and listen to me in 2009 when I started this thing, I was a retard. Dude.

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Now that's gone viral. And then the Trump thing went viral too. Because Trump was saying that they need to do something to change this. They need to clean up the forest. Get rid of all the dead wood. Yeah. All these things could be done. Get rid of all the brush. Get rid of all the dead wood. Open up that fucking water from the north to come down.

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You know who you should talk to? You should have Will Harris on your show. Who's that? Will Harris runs this amazing farm in Georgia where it started out as an industrial farm that his family owned, and he converted it to regenerative agriculture over 20 years. And it took him forever to do it. What's the name of the farm again, Jamie? White Oak Pastures.

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And then there's Joel Salatin, who's a similar guy. I think they were talking about him having something to do with farming in the Trump administration. I don't know if that's come to pass. But if it does, I really do hope that he'll be involved because he's another brilliant guy who runs a regenerative farm.

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And what they do is essentially their type of farming is recreating nature. So they just contain nature. Instead of like having people shuttle all these cows into these stalls and put a fucking trough in front of them and like – no, these animals graze out in the field. They just control where they go. And they eat what they normally would eat.

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And they make sure that they get plenty of new ground. So they move them to new ground when they've used up all the grass. They push them over there. And then the chickens do the same thing. They have a chicken coop that's a mobile chicken coop. They push it out. They open it up. They run around. And then he's dealing with, like, hawks killing his chickens.

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So he's got to come up with ways to mitigate the hawks.

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Oh, yes, yes, yes. I know Mike.

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What do they call him? What's his name on the radio show?

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What'd they do?

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Oh, yeah.

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Get the fuck out of here. That's what they were bred for. Oh, my God.

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Shepherds are awesome.

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No.

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Good. Yeah. I want four of them. Yeah, they don't fuck around. I'm going to buy a ranch. Are you? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I've been talking about it for a while. You're going to live on it? I'm just waiting for the – maybe. But at the very least, we're going to put the podcast on a ranch. Really? Yeah. Because I want to have a ranch.

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I also want to have a big piece of land in case things go sideways where I can have like a whole community on a ranch. This is where I start my cult. I'm going to have – just let people build on the ranch. Like give them a few acres.

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This idea that... Do you know that the whole center of California used to be a lake? No. A giant lake? No. Bro... I found out about it about a year ago. Really? It's crazy. Young Jamie, wait till you see how big this fucking lake was. And all of it, all of it is all meddling and fucking around by humans.

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That's what I'm saying. Like, imagine if you have like a 2000 acre property and on that 2000 acre property, there's like a literal community of you and your friends and you can go hunt on the land.

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And then there's water. There's a lake there.

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You don't have to do any of the work. Boy. There's no need for that. Go and take care of that hay. I think it's a crazy dream. Like it's a crazy idea to do, but isn't everything a crazy, like coming here is a crazy idea. Yeah. Building a mothership was a crazy idea.

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Can't eat a lot of them. Why? Because of poison. Oh, really? Yeah, there's a lot of mercury in freshwater fish. Really? Yeah. There was a dude who... What did he win? He won some big fishing derby. He was a big-time fisherman. He started getting some weird neurological condition. And it turned out it was because he was just eating freshwater fish all the time and some lakes.

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So you've got to think about rainfall. Remember when we were younger, acid rain? Everybody was worried about acid rain, acid rain. Yeah, what happened to that? I don't know. It went away. But the thing about it is like pollutants in the air, when the rain comes down, it does bring all that shit into the water and then it stays in that water.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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So if you've got a lake and that lake gets drowned on with pollution rain, you're going to have a certain amount of toxic elements that are going to be in that water.

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Why don't you Google how much – oh, Jamie is already on it. Eating one freshwater fish equals a month of drinking Forever Chemicals water. Well, that's a problem. No more trout for me. See, that's the problem. These Forever Chemicals. PFAS found at high levels in freshwater fish with most concern for vulnerable communities.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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So, like, this is a good point about the vulnerable communities because I was filming a TV show once in Detroit. And we were on the banks of this river that was fucking clearly polluted. And there was all these really poor people who were on the banks of that river that were fishing for food.

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And not just a few, like quite a bunch of people that were trying to get their dinner on that river. And, you know, people that really they needed that for food. They looked real poor. And, you know, there was a white, black, all kinds of different nationalities, Asians and a lot of people. And I was like, whoa, like Detroit is at least was in 2012 when I was filming this thing was fucking scary.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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Like when you realize how a city, which was one of the richest cities in the country, thereby one of the richest cities in the world in the 1950s during the peak of the automotive industry, and then to see it just decimated.

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Did he say, screw your freedom? No, he didn't say. Screw your freedom.

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And these people were just – and I was like, oh, my God, they're going to eat these fish. And then I thought, oh, my God, they have to eat these fish.

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I feel like everything started fucking up in the 70s.

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The Great Migration refers to a large-scale movement of approximately 6 million African Americans from the rural south to urban areas of north and west between roughly 1916 and 1970, driven primarily by the desire to escape racial violence, pursue better economic opportunities, and access improved education in the north.

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Screw your freedom.

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Yeah.

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Well, it did. For a while. I mean, maybe in a way it did because they thrived in those areas where they probably wouldn't have.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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there it is yeah so a lot of darkness and all that stuff there is but the city that's left over now um you know you've seen roger me right yeah michael morris film which is like i think his best one it's like when he was pure yeah you know he wasn't like ideologically captured and editing things for effect he was pure that was a bummer i saw that he started doing that yeah uh

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It is a problem because then it makes you question everything else.

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It's definitely more nuanced. I think there's always going to be a real problem with people that don't really know what's going on, say they know what's going on. When they say they know what's going on, it confuses everybody and fucks everything up. And it's another version of gaslighting. So CNN and MSNBC, they gaslight you.

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Definitely takes a lot of financial stress off your back.

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They gaslight you and they actively promote propaganda and narratives that are not objectively true. And The problem on the other side is if you are in opposition of that and you say you know this and you know that, but you really don't. Like you got to be real clear with what you say. People have to really be able to, like, if you don't know, you have to say, ooh, I didn't know that.

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You have to say that. Yes. If you do not say that, no one is going to listen to you anymore. And they shouldn't. Right. Because the difference between someone who's completely independent and a podcaster and someone who's on CNN should be that no one is telling you what to do. So what is your ethical compass?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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Right. What's the evidence? But also, what's your ethical compass? Are you trying to win and be correct? Yes. Or are you trying to find out what's going on?

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It is, but it's not. Yeah, but it's not because I don't think about ratings. No, you don't. But that's why I have them. That's right. See what I'm saying? Like it's not about ratings. Right. Like ratings come if people believe you. Like if you sit around thinking about the ratings, do you think you would be on?

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You'd be on this show right now.

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Occasionally they do.

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Look, I like talking to everybody. I genuinely don't give a fuck. Yeah.

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The show's gonna do I don't think you can I think if you do that It'll distort what you do and I think we've all seen people who fall victim to what they call audience capture You know, they start getting a crowd like you see with a lot of guys like online They start saying like a lot of wacky right-wing things and everybody finally someone's telling the truth and then they become just like a fucking My compass for that is this whenever I hear somebody say

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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And the same with the medical establishment.

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Yeah, you can't say you know things. Because I've heard people who are those kind of people say they know things about me. Yeah. Like, oh, you know, that you can't use your phone on his show. I've heard people say that, like, confidently. The CIA is right behind that. I've heard people confidently say that he's handled by the CIA.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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Listen, Mike Baker is my friend, and I'm pretty sure he's still in the CIA. I like them. I like them. I have them on because, like, here's a guy who was a CIA operative. Like, let me ask this guy. And I really do believe he's a patriot. And I really do think he's a great guy. And I think there's a lot of them. And I don't believe cops are bad. And I don't believe any of that bullshit.

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I think there's bad people in every fucking business. There's a lot of comedians that I think are rotten cunts. I don't like them. Yep. But it doesn't mean I hate comedians. I love comedians. But there's some comedians that fucking suck.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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And if you encounter those comedians and that's your only exposure to comedians, you're going to think, oh, my God, these guys are all selfish assholes and narcissists and they rob people. It's just a few. There's just a few of those.

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He's one of my best friends. I had breakfast with him today. Love that guy. I love Evan. To death. And he's flying out here to see your special. He's coming tonight. Coming to my show. Yeah. I love him. Yeah. I just said this to him today. That was his business for a while. Correct. I know a bunch of those guys. Correct. And you need them. You need them. You want to know how the real world works?

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The real world works? Talk to Evan. Have a conversation with Evan.

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That's Andy. Andy's the best. Andy had one of the quickest paths to black belts I think I've ever seen. Oh, is he a black belt now? Yep. Well, he lives with a black belt instructor. That's the thing. When your wife is a black belt, you better get your fucking P's and Q's in order, son.

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I think he's probably a quick study.

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Genius, but also obsessive. He got obsessive with bow hunting, became very proficient at bow hunting very quickly. Yeah. And then, you know, living with a black belt, though, is what a huge advantage. You can just drill with your wife all the time.

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Also kind of hot. You know, your wife's strangling you every day. Yeah, it's kind of hot. And she could probably kick his ass in the beginning.

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Oh, yeah.

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Super smart, too.

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She's great. Quiet. Which I think most black belts are. I think it's just there's too many things you have to consider to get that good at jiu-jitsu. It's infinite. Yeah, you could be a brute and just brute strength your way through a lot of it and be kind of halfway dumb and get to black belt maybe.

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I train now. I wake up every morning going, ah.

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No. I want to, though. This is the thing. I'm trying to rehab my fucking knee. My knee is the thing that's keeping me from doing it right now. I twisted it when I was hunting this year. Pretty bad. Swole up.

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I'm back. I'm back, bro. I'm a wrestler. High school. High school, dude.

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Well, when you're old, you've got to roll in a different way. You've got to roll with John Jock Machado. John Jock Machado, who was my instructor since 1998. John Jock is still rolling and still dominating black belts on the mat. When John Jock rolls, he never moves fast. There's no fast. His knowledge is so wide.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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His understanding of Jiu-Jitsu, he's talking to you, Joe Hogan, Joe Hogan, I'm about to pass your guard. Like, he's talking shit to you. He does whatever he wants. But it's smooth and slow. And because of that, he does not get hurt.

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I mean, he's had a few injuries over the year. But when you deal with, like, high-level black belts who roll on a consistent basis, and Jean-Jacques is in his 50s now, he is not hurt. He still, like, looks fantastic. He's, like, filled with energy, trains all the time. Yeah, sometimes I'll train. You can't do that ape shit that you did when you were 23, like, rough.

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Yeah, fuck that. Yeah, you can't be that guy. You've got to move slow. Slow and strong.

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Then you've got to be flexible. That's the other thing. You've got to really work on your stretching and your flexibility. You have to maintain your mobility. I was watching Armand Saryukian, who's fighting Islam Makachev for the lightweight title next weekend. Monster. And he was doing this mobility and flexibility routine. You're like, this is insane.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

4919.776

He's so jacked and so mobile, like more than I think anybody I've ever seen.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

4932.061

Look at that dude. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's the dude who's fighting for the lightweight title. And by the way, they fought a few years back and it was, God damn, son.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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Holy shit. That dude isn't even flexing right there. That's a good-looking man.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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Good-looking and strong. God, I'm gay. You're correct on both? Jesus. What a monster. Yeah, homeboy is fucking jacked. By the way, his coach is a gold medalist.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

4988.013

Yes.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5014.415

They all get injured.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5020.1

You're definitely right that their bodies are stronger because they've been doing it since they were younger and that they get developed in that way. But the opposite is true with striking. Like, not the opposite, but it's also true with striking that if you start striking when you're in your 30s, you're never going to catch Floyd Mayweather.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5038.039

You need that radar. Well, you need that. Your body needs to be sort of like...

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5111.809

Well, the best example is Floyd, right? Because he got hit less than anybody ever. I can count him on my hand. Yeah. If you want to say who's the best boxer of all time, I always say Floyd because he got hit less than anybody, and that's the whole thing. And by the way, didn't have the kind of power that any of these other guys had. Didn't have that Roy Jones Jr. power.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5128.157

When he was younger, he was a power puncher. But he broke his hands a bunch of times. That was part of the problem. But even then, he wasn't a robust guy.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5140.623

Right, right. Well, that's a great example of a guy with just preposterous power. You know, just preposterous power. Did you see Artur Beterbeev, who is fighting Dimitri Bivol? Yes. He did a hammer workout on a tire, where he hit a tire for an hour. He did? For an hour? An hour. What? He hit a tire for an hour with a sledgehammer.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

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Is he Chechnyan? But same shit. Mountain humble. Hamzat, Chemayev, savage people. And he's one of the scariest boxers of all time. The only fight that he had as a professional that went the distance is Bivol. I know. The only fight. And did you see when Bivol would have his hands up? He was 19-0 with 19 knockouts. That's fucking insane.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5187.602

There's a great video where this boxer who was a world-class boxer, who's a professional, got brought in to box bitter beef. And his coach said to him, just do your best. He's like, do my best? What the fuck are you talking about? I'm going to fuck this dude up. And he goes, and he hit me. The first time he hit me, it was like nothing I'd ever experienced in my life.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5208.632

It was almost like my body left me. And I was like standing there all alone. That's your job, dude. Better be hitting people, too, like this. It's all short. Everything is short. And it's just thunderous power. But they'll hit your arms. Oh, yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5226.005

So round five, enjoy that shit. Canelo does a lot of that. He does a lot of that. He smashes guys' arms. Shell up with him. Yeah, you don't want that guy punching arms.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5235.429

Well, I've always said that about look at look at his workouts with his wrists and fists Yes, and this is his warm-up better be of is one of the craziest specimens because he's almost 40 years old, too So he had this endurance fight with be ball So it's 12 rounds of super high pace very endurance heavy and he was the one that was dominating at the last round correct and

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5258.077

That's February 22nd. I'm fucking pumped for that fight.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5261.219

Oh, yeah. It's the rematch. I'm very pumped for that fight because B-Vol is so goddamn good, too. What he did to Canelo, no one's ever done that Canelo.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5273.866

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I thought it was the Diaz brothers running around slapping people.

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Yes.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5401.862

Incredible.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5406.729

He's smaller than everybody.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5416.764

Especially when the guy is fucking Anthony Joshua.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

542.032

Did you find that lake?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5425.771

He's like 225, 230 as a heavyweight. 220, not even 230. Not big, not big, man. By the way, that was Tyson's weight when he was in his prime, too. There's something to be said for that, because a 220-pound man like Mike Tyson can knock out any human being that's ever lived. The amount of power he can generate is insane. So then you have the speed of being only 220 pounds instead of 290.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5448.329

Or remember when Andy Ruiz fought Joshua the second time and he got real fat? Yeah. So sad. Yeah. Because you had a real chance of carving out a legacy. The knockout in the first fight was fucking huge. He has speed. Oh, my God. Ruiz surprised the shit out of you. His fucking boxing combinations are so fluid. He punches like a middleweight. Yeah. Isn't he a bronze medalist? I don't know.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5472.825

I think he is. I think he did medal in the Olympics. Great boxer. Very, very schooled boxer. Super nice guy, too. When he came on and did the podcast after he beat Joshua, he had a fucking diamond-encrusted watch. He came in a Rolls Royce. He did? I was like, let's go.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5489.549

Yeah, probably should get an accountant. And probably don't get to 280 pounds. The problem is then all of a sudden you're a superstar and you're partying and you're having cervezas and hanging with the boys.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5511.905

It's a little bit like you get in the belt and staying champion. Maintaining champion. I remember Matt Hughes when BJ Penn beat him. He told me, he goes, honestly, Joe, it's a weight off my back. Wow. And I was like, really? And I was like, it makes sense, though, because he was just smashing everybody, and he was the person that everyone was chasing. Yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5529.767

And it's like, got to fucking weigh on your psyche.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

553.353

Largest freshwater lake west of the Mississippi. What? It used to be fucking huge. Show a photo of what it used to look like. So it was all agriculture. They fucked it up.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5533.109

What is this, Jamie?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5534.75

He didn't win?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5537.412

Oh, he didn't go to the Olympics. Okay.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5547.498

Cuba, man. You ever watch how they test train? Oh, my God.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5558.932

You'll learn where it is.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5561.075

You throw one punch, you know... They, like the Russians, developed a very technical and very technique-oriented way of combat sports. It's why the Russians were so good at Olympics, at wrestling rather, because they were so technical where the Americans would just try to work harder than everybody else. Yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5578.524

And the Russians figured out, no, there's a time you work hard and there's a time you recover and you have to have active recovery. And they got real scientific about their physical training. Dan Gable, when he did the podcast, was explaining to me how he learned sauna from the Eastern Bloc people. Really? Yeah. Really? They started incorporating sauna.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5597.129

He's like, this is another added element that raises your endurance. Why? Because they would train hard. And then after training, you sit in that sauna for 20 minutes at 190 degrees, man. Your heart is hammering. So you're getting static cardio. Also, it has an EPO-like effect where it's like a mild dose of EPO. It raises your red blood cells. Really? Yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5618.121

My endurance is raised significantly when I started doing sauna.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5624.104

Well, cold plunge is not controversial in terms of the way it makes you feel. So the psychological benefits of the increase in dopamine levels and norepinephrine, that is 100% established. I think that is one of the most powerful aspects of the cold plunge. Also, what's been established is that when you do the cold plunge before exercise, it raises testosterone.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5648.969

So there's something about doing the cold plunge and then forcing your body to heat up through a warm-up and then going through your workout that raises testosterone for people. And there was a study that was done where it showed this guy went from having an extremely low testosterone level to having a testosterone level where his doctor thought he was juicing. Wow.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5667.9

And all he changed was he started doing cold plunge before every workout. Yeah. Put your body under stress. It's not good after workout. Really? No, because you want hypertrophy and you want muscles to grow and strengthen. And part of that growth and strengthening is inflammation. So that inflammation is actually good. Heat, on the other hand, is good after workouts.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

567.504

Look at the size of it.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5690.952

So it's good for the effect of it raises your red blood. So that's interesting.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5699.457

Yes, it raises your endurance. And the Eastern Bloc athletes already knew that. Fedor was famous for using sauna. Wow. Yeah, Fedor would use sauna and cold plunge. So they use hot and cold therapy. So Huberman recommends doing that once a week. And what you do is you go back and forth and back and forth. You always finish on cold, though. Always allow your body to reheat itself up.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

571.707

Look how fucking big that is.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5722.105

Don't finish on sauna. So you would do cold plunge or sauna, cold plunge, sauna, cold plunge, however many cycles you want to do it. But he said that raises your human growth hormone level. The Swedes do that.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5738.61

The Finnish studies on sauna are amazing. What it's shown, these are long-term studies over 20 years, it shows that people who took the sauna four days a week for 20 minutes at a time at 175 degrees had a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality compared to their peers. What? 40% decrease in all-cause mortality, heart attack, stroke, cancer.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

574.088

Gone. Apparently it's refilling.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5760.71

40% decrease because the heat shock proteins, the stress on your body, it makes you more resilient. It makes you more vibrant. You have more energy, and you have less inflammation after it's over.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5772.24

Your body produces those heat shock proteins. You feel amazing when you get out. You feel loose and relaxed. Wow. You have a sauna here? I have a sauna everywhere. I don't fuck around, dude. I even have a portable sauna that I bring with me. It's like a blanket sauna that's one of our sponsors. What's that called? I'll hug you. What's that blanket sponsor sauna called? Find that sucker.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5791.571

I have to pee. It's really good. You want to pee? Yeah. We'll pee right now. We'll pee right now. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

580.157

Shut the fuck up.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5802.255

Someone cool. Don't fucking ruin it for everybody.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5817.573

Yeah, I don't think that's a brush-clearing knife, son.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

582.799

We needed it for almonds. For the Owens Valley? So I need the almond milk. There's one amazing photograph of this guy who was squirting almond milk on the fire outside of his house because that's all he had. Is that true? He had two quarts of almond milk. It was like this soy man, this literal human water balloon.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5829.379

No, you're an asshole. You have a giant knife on your table. That's what it's for.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5841.089

Yeah. Because you might go crazy. I might go crazy and grab one of those and impale them in the forehead.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5847.632

Oh, those are real. Yeah. Those are the jack car tomahawks. They look like you can throw them. Well, I don't think you throw them. I think you fucking stir them. Yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5857.12

You know? Ow. You hurt me. Let me put that away. You're making me uncomfortable. Sorry, buddy. I was going to grab it by the blade. Something aggressive about a knife. That's very aggressive. This is a very aggressive knife.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5876.736

Or you're a fucking complete psycho. Or you're a psycho. Or you're living in downtown Los Angeles right now. That's right. That's right. That's what's going to be really crazy.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5894.045

Where are you going to live? Where are all those people in the Palisades going to go? There's thousands and thousands and thousands of houses.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5916.804

Wow.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5918.184

I really do. That's going to be even more fucked.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5949.576

Yeah, it's sunny. People are really pretty. Yeah, yeah. And there's a lot of TikTok stars there.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5959.101

What was the name of that sauna blanket again? Spell it? B-O-N. Bond charge. It's a blanket? Yeah, it's a blanket. Yeah, you can carry it with you when you go on vacation and sauna the shit out of yourself anywhere you go.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

5974.97

I live by sauna, man. If I had to choose between one thing that I eliminated... Yeah, if I had to take cold plunge or sauna, I would take sauna all day. I think cold plunge is very important, and it's really good for just my mental state. I just like that I force myself to get in there. I like it. I win every day. I win.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6.214

Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6022.35

Yeah, I break myself down every day. I think that's important. I think it's everything because I think mental health is attached to that. I think too many people have too much anxiety and too much like, whoa.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6034.114

Yeah, well, the pressure. And also, I don't read comments, which is huge, you know, because a lot of people out there are reading comments. Never read one comment. I was talking to Zuck about that yesterday. I'm like, you got to stop reading comments. You read comments? Yeah. I'll tell him to stop right now.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6055.607

I appreciate them. I appreciate people. Even the bad comments. I get it. Look, you know, if I was 15, I would be the worst fucking poster on Twitter of all time. I'd be a total troll. I'd be on 4chan. I'd be on all those things. I'd be talking mad shit all day long.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

608.821

That's when you're trying.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6088.649

They want to tear it all down. Also, it's all about making a living getting eyeballs on you. That's what their business is, eyeballs. So if they can slap someone at a supermarket or fucking scare someone in line at the grocery store or whatever the fuck they do to get attention, that's their currency. Their currency is attention. And if you beat their ass, it's actually good for them.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6110.902

There's no way. Which is really crazy. Yeah. It's just a different time. Yeah. I mean, it's the end of Rome. It's the end of Rome. It's the collapse of a really sick civilization. And the thing that you're seeing with this whole woke fire department, which is...

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6129.364

We're talking about that lady saying, if your husband's in that burning building, that they want someone who looks like me, who looks like them. That's not what they want. But this is all this ideological, bizarre cult that these people have fallen into that leads to the collapse of great civilizations because the people that worked hard to make this very easy life

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

614.265

No, you should have been out. You got to get out of there. You got to accept. I've been evacuated three times. Have you really? Yeah, when I lived in Belkanian. I got evacuated three times. You know, it burnt two houses in front in 2018. Two houses in front of my old house were burnt to the ground.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6156.741

those people don't get respected. And then the people that you think are the marginalized people that should be elevated through equity, these people that haven't done anything, now you're giving them all the power. And you're also letting them be the bullies of the bullies now, right? So they got picked on their whole life. Now we're kicking ass now. We get things done.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6177.031

There's Pride Magazine in the whatever website. I'll send you this because it's real. See if you can find that, Jamie, so I don't have to look for it. But the headline said the LBGT fire chief is showing that she can get things done.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6197.136

Yeah. This is in the middle of the biggest disaster in the history of Los Angeles. Tone deaf. But saying that she can get it done, shows she can get it done. Like, what is get it done? What does that mean? Run out of water? Collapse society? What does it mean?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6234.137

I promise. Well, good luck with that. Here it is. Amid Palisades fire, Los Angeles first LBGTQ plus fire chief is proving lesbians get it done. Excuse me. Lesbians get it done. Not she gets it done. It's even dumber than I thought. She's proving lesbians get it done.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6254.971

So what does that mean? Like Elon Musk is proving heterosexuals build rockets? Is that what that means?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6260.974

It's nonsense. It's nonsense people writing nonsense things. It's so fucking dumb.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6274.501

Who cares? She's great at her job.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6281.044

You can't call it climate change because L.A. has been like that forever. The reason why they filmed in L.A. in the fucking first place is because L.A. doesn't have rain. That's right. That's why they started putting Hollywood down there.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6295.751

Yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6310.558

Yeah, you brought them here. I love them. What do you mean you think you have... They brought them here.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6447.825

They cut 17%.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6449.986

Wasn't it 17% or was it 17? $17.6 million. There you go. That's what I read. See if that's true. I thought it was percent, but maybe it's not. I think it's 17.6. Maybe that's what it turned out.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6469.233

I don't know what that means. It might be 17%. I don't know what that means. It might be they have a $100 million budget, and they cut it down to seven. Either way. Either way. Obviously.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

647.447

Yeah, pretty safe. The thing about, I mean, this is from someone who's been through it a few times. You don't understand. You think it's just a fire. It's not. It's a storm.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6478.337

Yeah. That's the whole budget?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6480.538

So they only cut $17 million out of $800 million. But still, why would you cut anything out of one of the most important things? Obviously, now you know. Now you know that was a huge mistake. Now you know you should have increased the budget.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6522.724

Right. Well, again, I bring it back to Trump because Trump was saying this all could be solved. And he was right. What he was saying is true and that they are doing it to protect a fucking smelt. The Delta smelt. That exists other places.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6536.192

I don't. What does that thing look like? Let me see what a Delta smelt looks like. I don't give a fuck about those things. Neither do I. Yeah, $17 million last year. She directed more. For 2023-2024 fiscal year, Los Angeles allocated $837 million to the Los Angeles Fire Department, accounting for roughly 65% of the $1.3 billion budget designated for homelessness initiatives. Which didn't work.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6557.958

What? 65% for homelessness initiatives? Which didn't work. Roughly half the budget for homelessness went unspent. These motherfuckers. And let me say something else about that. These motherfuckers.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

656.931

So I saw fire tornadoes. You did? Yeah. I saw fire tornadoes. It's terrifying. When we were filming, we were filming on Fear Factor, and ironically, this was the same time where this fireman was explaining to me what's going to happen in L.A. We were filming Fear Factor, and when we were driving back, the entire ride, I watched the guy die. What?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6579.792

Housing, housing, housing. And we can't fix it. It's a mental health and drug problem. They spent $24 billion last year. 24 billion in California on homelessness. Yeah, that's what it is. It's a bunch of people making money off of nonprofits. Of course. Yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6599.486

Yeah. The real problem is that there's homeless at all. Like, how is that possible in the greatest society the world's ever known? But because we've put very little effort into stopping it. Very little effort into education and fixing people's mental health problems and mental health institutions for people that are sick and twisted and real solutions like Ibogaine.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6620.195

Real things that they can do to sort of reset people's minds and help them get out of it. Real programs to help people integrate back into society in a meaningful way.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6635.7

Yeah. Well, there's a lot of people like that. I had the former governor of Texas, Rick Perry, on and he was explaining it.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6646.167

Yep. Yep. It was very reluctant. And then he knew someone who came back from the war and was suffering and he got involved and now he's an advocate for it.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6657.855

Yes. Helps people with Parkinson's disease. Wow. Really? Crazy. Completely rewires the brain of addicted people. Damn. Damn. Stops the pathways, gives you an insight as to why you're addicted in the first place, like what little weird fucking patterns you have in your head. What are you escaping when you're trying to like load up on heroin? It's crazy, but it's illegal.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6679.864

This is the nuttiest part of it. And this is the beautiful thing about what Rick Perry is trying to do and explaining it very eloquently that it was all established in the 1970s. To combat Richard Nixon's political opponents. So the anti-war movement, the civil rights movement, they made all those drugs illegal.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6696.813

The sweeping act of 1970, the Psychedelic Drug Act, where they were just trying to demonize these things that these people were using. That was like, you know, the flower child movement, the hippies, the anti-war people. They're like, we need to figure out a way to lock these motherfuckers up.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6737.061

Yeah. Well, I was bringing it back to cars, you know, because I'm a car freak. The cars of the 1960s were the greatest fucking cars America has ever created in terms of the way they looked, the iconic view, the image of those things. And it all died around 70, 71. Everything after 71 is a piece of shit. Why? Except a few Corvettes look cool.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6756.879

But because they needed to become, first of all, then there's the gas crisis. So cars started becoming less powerful and more economical. And then they started making them out of plastic and they just looked like shit. And then they weren't doing the drugs anymore. So the design sucked.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

676.798

I watched the guy run across the highway and get hit by a car. What the fuck? Yeah, I didn't see him get hit by a car, but I saw him. Jesus Christ. He was, and my producer, the producer of the show, apparently saw more. He saw, like, graphic, you know. People were panicking. There was ash falling from the sky like it was snowing. It was crazy.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6772.106

If you go back to design, like one of the classics that I always put out, like let's look at a 1969 Boss Mustang. So this is acid, marijuana, whatever. These people that were designing these cars were like freaks. They were weirdos. Yeah. You know, because they were artists. And they designed these things. To this day, you look at them, you go, fuck.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6796.814

Look at that. Look at that. That's the reason why John Wick killed everybody. That's what it is. They stole his car. They killed his puppy and they stole that car. And John Wick killed everybody. That is a fucking work of art, man.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6815.142

Goddamn, that's a work of art. Not safe. That is one of the most beautiful things human beings... Fuck the Sistine Chapel. That's one of the most beautiful things human beings have ever created. Look at that goddamn thing.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6826.466

Shut your mouth about that. This is Texas. Pull all that stuff off and fucking roll coal right on the highway.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6835.991

Yeah, my Raptor, my Hennessy Raptor that has 1,000 horsepower, I get nine miles to the gallon. Suck my dick. It's so stupid. Look at that thing. That is a different one. That's a classic restoration. Does nothing for me. That's incredible. Classic Creations does a resto mod version of it, but that's the right from the factory version. Both of them are gorgeous.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6860.424

They do make them in electric, honestly. Come on. Yeah, there's a company that takes old cars and turns them electric.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6865.847

Well, a lot of people have a problem with it. Everati does it.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6871.329

Those are cool as fuck. Gorgeous, man. Those are incredible. Pull up Everati. Everati is a company that takes old Porsches and they do old Mustangs and they convert them and make them fully electric. Wow. Yeah. Wow. But they look really cool, but- You're missing the whole point. Of course. The whole point is it's a work of art. It's a mechanical experience.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6902.489

Well, it's so light, too. It's so engaging. That's a great car. Oh, my God. Those are the best.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6911.376

Old Porsches. Incredible.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6918.781

It's still an incredible car. It's a great car. So they do a bunch of different stuff. So let's go to the Porsche 911 964 signature. So look at that. So they take this 964 Porsche, which is one of the most beautiful years, and they turn it into this insane electric beast.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

6939.554

Yeah, incredible car, man. I mean, sub-zero, zero to 60, sub-four seconds.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

6949.72

But look at the range. Up to 200 miles. Shut the fuck up with that range. That range is nonsense. Up to 200 miles is when you're driving really slow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

6958.465

But I bet that thing is super sick to drive, and God damn, it looks beautiful. But wouldn't it be better if it went... When you started it up? I think it should be... You want to hear that. That should be gas. Yeah, you want to feel the engagement of the clutch. You want to pull the gear lever down in a second. You want to let off the clutch and hit the gas. You want to feel it.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6982.52

I like what they're doing. I think it's cool, whatever. I'd take that car and I'd gut it. I'd gut it and put a fucking real engine in it. It looks beautiful, but...

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

699.907

And everyone's driving and no one, everyone's got this like somber, like 50 mile an hour driving the entire right side of the highway for an hour. What? And you can feel that heat, right? Yeah, we were filming off the 5. So we were like way up by, you know, like as your head goes, Bakersfield. Oh, yeah. Bakersfield, like that area. It was off the 5 or the 10. Whatever the fuck it is.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6993.906

A 964. There's a bunch of different companies.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

6998.91

I'm talking about- No, no, no. A regular one. There's a company that specializes in air-cooled Porsches. Go to Sloan. What's air-cooled? Sloan. That's those, the old ones. The ones that you drove, that 1980s one, that's an air-cooled one. Love that car. The old ones are the ones that, yeah, that's it. So this place specializes in Porsches, but particularly air-cooled Porsches.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

7045.672

How much is that? Oh, it's got to be very expensive. That's a beautiful car. With such low miles, that thing's probably meticulously maintained. It looks incredible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7056.497

No, no, no. That's an expensive car. 100 grand? And by the way, not very fast. It's not fast. You're missing the point. But it's the handling. It's the feel. It's the experience of driving. It is so analog. It probably doesn't even have power steering.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

7072.565

Oh, it's basically brand new. Whoever kept that, amazing. They probably sell that for... A couple hundred thousand dollars. A couple hundred? Yeah. Jesus. At least.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

7082.212

I would imagine. I mean, it says contact us for pricing. But if you want to get one like that, a stellar model with 20... Look, if you get a 911 from 1970, like a 911 RS, a good example is a million dollars. What? Yes. Yes. Oh, Jesus. Google 1971 911 RS Immaculate for sale. I guarantee you they're over a million dollars. Yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

7114.035

And your Model 3 will blow that thing away in every way, shape, or form. Of course. Handling, speed, especially if you have the Model 3 performance.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

7124.762

They just go... So easy. Yeah. They make every other car seem stupid. I know. But it's a different experience than driving that thing. That thing is an amusement park ride. Yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

7137.089

There's a manual.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7140.691

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lighting your own fire on the grill and cooking over hardwood coals.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7156.997

Oh, yeah. Especially if you're cooking over fire. It brings you this caveman DNA section of your brain.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7164.919

Also, it makes the food taste better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7223.096

2.5 million for that one. Click on that. Can you click on that so I can see it? I've got to see how a couple more tickets stand up. Does it let you see what it looks like? There it is. Let's see if we could find it. God. By the way. A lot of that is like a dick measuring contest, like that I have a pristine model.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

7241.027

This is like a Jerry Seinfeld type vehicle. He would own one of those. I have a 1993 RS America. It's a 964. I know you've seen it, that little red Porsche that I have. No power steering, no air conditioning, no nothing. It doesn't have a radio. It doesn't have jack shit.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

725.005

We were pretty far away, and it was a whole hour driving back where the whole right side of the highway was in flames. I mean, completely engulfed like a Lord of the Rings movie where you're waiting for Sauron to come riding on an evil horse over the top of it. It was nuts. It was fucking nuts. And you would see fire tornadoes, man. The fire was fucking insane.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

7262.825

it's so raw it's it's it's raw and rowdy it sounds loud you feel everything every time i drive and i'm like why don't i drive do you remember when i used to have that that bronco bronco yeah 1971 with a 350 windsor whatever the fuck it was i don't know any carburetor i remember you came to my house and that dude i would get dizzy on the highway

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

7282.069

Fucking the gas fuse.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7291.878

You're dying slowly, but you're living more.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7311.969

I think it's pretty irrational. You got to have a little bit of fun in you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7321.013

Oh, that Alfa Romeo, that little thing right there? That little Alfa Romeo 1965? I guarantee you that's fun as fuck to drive, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7328.917

Oh, it looks shitty, but I'm telling you, you feel every fucking bump on the road through your ass. Yeah. I never got into those 356 Porsches. Yeah. I think those look like a fucking VW bug. They do look like a VW bug. They look stupid. Yep. But to the right of it, the 92 RS? That's cool. That's what I have. Yeah. I have one of those with a ducktail. I have a red one with a ducktail. I love it.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

7351.905

Yeah. I love it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7374.921

Well, they're definitely put together by hand. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, especially back then.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7391.336

Look at that, son. Oh my goodness. That's a beautiful piece of machinery.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7398.542

That is such a gorgeous car.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7401.064

That is fucking beautiful.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7403.345

And it's so light. Those cars are so light, dude. That's like a 2,000-pound car. Really? Yeah, they're so little. Yeah, when you're near them, they're so little.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7415.73

Oh, they're very heavy. Isn't that crazy? They fuck up those borders. It's a fucking tank. What are they called? The rails, guardrails. They go right through those things because they're too heavy. Dude. Car cars are meant for regular sized cars. Look how gorgeous that is. Look at that damn thing, man. God, it's so beautiful. Fire extinguisher. That guy maintained that motherfucker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7439.321

That guy knows how to drive, I bet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7443.344

I picture myself in a tweed coat. Oh, it's so gorgeous. I bet that's 150,000. How much is that? It's going to be auctioned.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7454.492

180 years so more so 180 euros is like 200 and something thousand which makes sense It's fucking beautiful man, and they don't make them anymore You know if you want one of those and when you drive it I guarantee you have a fucking smile You'll have a fucking smile on your face.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7468.318

It only has 180 horsepower Jesus yes, they're not they're not fast No, even mine is 300 mine only has three doors, and I had it juiced up a little bit to get to 300 I was gonna say yeah, it's almost give you worms. It's not fast not fast. No I No, but it doesn't matter. It's just fun. It's engaging.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7488.788

Oh, yeah. Well, I have the Raptor. It was a Hennessy Raptor. You know why? I like to see what's going on over there. I don't want to be at the same height as the cars. When someone slams on the brake, you can't see what's going on. Well, up here, you can see someone doing something stupid like five cars ahead. You're like, oh, Jesus. And it's safer. Way safer. To be in a lifted truck is safer.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

750.423

And it's flying through the air, so you're worried your car's going to catch fire. One of the things that happens is... People get stuck on highways, cars catch fire, and the fire and the winds just roll through the whole highway and everybody burns alive inside their cars. What? Yeah, that happened at, what is it, the camp, park camp? What was the big fire? Oh, that's right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7509.884

That is very important. Yeah. It's very important. The elevated viewpoint for a safety perspective is important. Right. Yeah, and you get used to that. You like it a lot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7524.877

You wear gloves.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7537.587

You don't go with a girl. Go by yourself. By yourself? Yeah, you don't go with a girl. You don't want to hear that. Shut the fuck up about TikTok. That's different. That's hot. Well, that's preposterous. That's a $4 million car. That's a Pagani. I don't even know how to say that. How do you say that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7558.503

That's a monstrous vehicle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7565.38

Here's the thing. That's all great. That's all fast. But that can't fuck with a new Corvette.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7571.807

It's a track car, but it's not even as good as a track car as a new Corvette. The new Corvette ZR1 is one of the greatest cars the world has ever built. It has over 1,000 horsepower. Right. A thousand. Over a thousand horsepower for the new Corvette ZR1. It does zero to 60 in under three seconds. It's going to break all the records. It's probably going to break Nürburgring records.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7593.261

It hasn't even been released yet. It's a fucking amazing car. It's the greatest American car ever by far.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7602.265

Everything. They're reliable. They're fucking incredible looking. They look like an exotic car. This is the new ZR1. Does it have volume? Can we hear what it sounds like?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7614.556

Brad, you fucking knocked it out of the park, Brad. This is an amazing vehicle. This vehicle's faster, handles better than that stupid fucking $5 billion car. That thing's the shit. That's America, fuck yeah, in a car. I mean, it's so stupid. How could you go to a dealership? Look at that, carbon fiber wheels. How can you go to a dealership and buy a 1,100 horsepower car? That's insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7639.428

Look at it with a giant wing on the back of it. It shouldn't be, but it is. And that's why it's America! Motherfucker! Look at that thing. Drag to rotate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7650.716

Yes. Yes, because you want to look like an asshole.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7654.299

Yeah, you can get it without the fin.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7656.641

That looks good. It's downforce. It gives you more downforce. So it'll actually slow your top end speed so the high end speed will be like 205 miles an hour instead of 215 or whatever the fuck it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7670.172

It's a gorgeous car. I don't like that stupid fin. That is a fucking beautiful machine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7676.037

Well, no. It's adjustable, but it's downforce for the track.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7680.14

That is an amazing car for the track.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7682.963

And they make them in a convertible. Check out the convertible. They won't break your bank probably, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7687.787

It's about $200,000 before markup and all that other jazz. I think it's 2.3 seconds, 0 to 60. Let's fucking go. 9-second quarter mile right from the factory. Holy shit. Motherfucker. A nine second fucking. That's what you need. That's what you need, Callum. You do. It's very important. When your special kicks it and you start selling out giant theaters. Dude. Let's go.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

769.52

In Northern California. A ton of people died in their cars. Horrifying. Horrifying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7709.344

Let's get a little.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7718.73

Yeah. Once you get the fuck out of Los Angeles.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7723.093

Listen, this might be the one. I talked to my wife.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7728.657

Talk them into it, too. I know. If they come out here, they'll realize, oh, my God, what have I been doing? What the fuck were we doing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7740.761

Ron White told me that in 2018 when I started thinking about Austin. Jesus. He moved here before any of us. Ron White was the original. He was the original, the Texas setup, because he's from Texas. He goes, I fucking love Austin. Food's great. People are nice. It's in the middle of the country. You can travel anywhere. I was like, what? wow, can I live in Texas? I started thinking about it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7760.447

Like, can I live in Texas? And then when COVID hit, Ron being here was one of the things that moved me here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7766.871

Yeah, I was like, I love Ron. At least I can hang out with Ron.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7776.217

Killing it. How old is he? He's a thousand years old. Yeah. And he's better now than ever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7780.68

Better than ever. I love that. And he's at the club every night. He's there all the time. All the time. Killing it. Killing it. Incredible. Incredible. And just the best fucking human being. He's just the best guy. Yeah, he seems like it. So when he was coming here in 2018, I was like, maybe I could go. I don't know. I can't live in Texas. Because I had always been trying to escape LA forever.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

7798.967

But then it's like my business was there. The comedians were there. And the store was there. And there was so many things there. It took something like COVID to make us all just take this crazy chance and move to Texas.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7814.599

Very much like the same thing. Very much like the same thing. It's the same kind of experience. Hand me that bad boy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7822.449

Yeah, let's go, man. Come on, baby. Come on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7828.911

Having a guy like Ron here, though, was like, okay, well, at least I'll have Ron as a friend. And then Tony moved here. I was like, oh, shit, Tony's here. And then I remember one time I talked to Segura, and I was like, dude, it's fucking awesome. I love it here. He's like, fuck it, I'm moving. Really? He was here quick. How do I open this? Yeah. Oh, you just... Here, you can use this one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7875.753

Are you going to put it on YouTube? Yeah. That's the move.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7878.535

YouTube's the move because you get the most views for sure. Like, look at Shane. I'm proud of him, too. That's awesome. You get a great set, you put a great set, and the club is the best place to film. The audiences are so hyped. Well, that's what I thought.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7907.048

A lot of it's because of Ron. If it wasn't for Ron, and then one time when we did shows, we were doing shows at the Vulcan, and Ron hadn't gone on stage in like eight months. And he got off stage, and he grabbed me by the shoulders. He goes, whatever the fuck we got to do, we're going to keep doing this. He goes, you got to open up that club. I was like, okay. I got to open up the club. Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7924.171

Because I was like, I got to open up a club. You know, it was one of those things like, I'm so fucking busy. How am I going to do this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7931.753

How am I going to handle this? How am I going to handle the stress of the business and 100 employees and – It turns out you don't have to. Just get really good people to run it for you. That's it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7949.684

Well, yeah, we have Brandon, our video editor. We have Matt, who books everything, young Jamie, and moi.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7957.65

That's it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

7963.357

Well, you're going to need a production team if you don't have Jamie. The thing is, Jamie's a wizard. He's a monster. And he's also a little bit on the spectrum. Which side? The good side. The good side. You're on the good side. You're on the fun side. You're like totally socially aware.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

7979.932

But Jamie's just on the ball and like his ability to pull things up while we're talking about him, while he's managing the podcast, like no one could do that. You need like a team of people to do what he does. But then you've got to deal with a team of people that are just like – one of the coolest things about Jamie is how, like, first of all, we're friends. And he's the easiest to hang out with.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8001.048

Like, Jamie's so easy to hang out with. So it doesn't matter who's in this room. There's no weirdness or like, oh, this guy is complaining about that guy out there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

802.019

It's a pricey area, but it's gorgeous.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8021.798

Well, that's happened to a few friends of mine where they had to get rid of their producer because the producer was like, you know, we did this. And he's like, hey. Hey, hey, hey. You pointed cameras at a comedian that was already famous. Like, cut the shit. Like, this is fucking stupid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8036.169

Yeah, but it's like what happens with a lot of these people is they develop these podcasts and then they have, I go to my friend's podcast and he has 10 people working for him. And I was like, what are all these people doing? What do they do? What are they doing? This is crazy. Why do you have all these people? And then they have interns. You have people working.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8063.588

I don't even know if you're allowed to pay certain interns because they're supposed to get like, I would break the law. I'd break the law to pay them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8072.102

Can you have a paid intern in a college? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8078.387

Well, that's a problem with rich people when they have assistants too. Yeah. Like Al Madrigal had an assistant once. He was like, yeah, I got to get an assistant. I go, no, you don't. I go, listen to me. Do less shit. Just do less shit. If you need an assistant, you don't- You do less things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8093.599

I remember when David Spade had an assistant, the dude tried to duct tape him, and the guy, he tasered him. He was going to kill him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8111.532

Ooh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8112.914

Yeah, but didn't he kill a bunch of his wives?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8158.476

No shit, right? I'd be like, yo, dude, just join the other church.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8163.618

Get a lot of shit done. Okay?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8199.761

At least he knows. That was pretty cool. At least he's not that guy. I wish I was a Navy SEAL. I'd kill everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8208.709

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8211.851

Also probably why he's a great actor because he was aware of everything. I think so. Of like the differences between him and those other people, you know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8298.018

Oh, for sure. Well, that's a giant problem with urban environments. That's why urban environments all get to these sort of esoteric, philosophical ideas about what society would be like. Because they're completely separated from the circle of life. They're buying all their food from either a restaurant or a grocery store. They're not farming. They're not doing anything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8320.135

They're enjoying meat without any death.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

836.423

Yeah, Segura's house burnt to the ground.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8364.309

It's crazy. Turns out that was truth. It should be obvious. It should be obvious. There's been a series of events that human beings have gone through that have developed this certain people. We understand. It's an understanding that certain people are better at survival. Certain people are better at being the leader. Certain people are better at warriors.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

839.204

Didn't Mel Gibson's? Yeah, Mel Gibson's burnt to the ground, too. Look at that, dude. Look at that. It's insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8391.574

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8436.827

Yeah. Human beings. I mean, there's beautiful things in urban environments and society where you don't have to struggle. You don't have to do that. So you can get much more involved in art.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8448.91

There's a lot of things that people can achieve when they have that sort of shelter. But there's a balance to be achieved in our society, the influence. And the problem is the influence of these people that are detached in urban environments is so significant because there's so many of them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

846.625

When you bought a house there, nobody said anything about fire. No one. And by the way, fire insurance in L.A. Look at that one house. Perfect. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that's crazy. What's that made out of?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8465.413

There's so many more people that are detached than are connected that we have this very weird appreciation and understanding of resources and of just how hard it is to just survive without modern conveniences.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8521.457

Especially in the areas that you grew up. That's right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8526.323

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8537.175

Yeah, so just imagine experiencing that as a 10-year-old boy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

860.77

I don't know, man. That's crazy. I think it's got to be what the house is made of because that wind's blowing everywhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

867.233

Are you sure? Yeah. How do you know? Are you a builder?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8695.797

They're kind of ready.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8698.539

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

870.554

You're not a builder. That's Brian Callen. Nah. I don't believe anything can stand on fire. Can't you make a house out of all concrete?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8702.761

Have you seen John McPhee? Yeah, I have. The mayor of Baghdad? That'd be a good example of a guy. That is a guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8720.008

No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8722.369

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8725.331

Yeah. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8729.873

Thank God that guy found jiu-jitsu too. Give him an outlet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8781.567

Well, you've had Eric Prince on your podcast, right? Very smart guy. Have you had him on? No, I haven't.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8787.411

He was another guy who was talking about what to do with Africa, and I was like, Jesus.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

879.719

Look at that one house. That guy should play the fucking lotto, son.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8793.816

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

886.263

But here's the thing. Look at that. You don't want to live there now. If you're that house on the corner and everything you look at as devastation- The schools are gone. Right. Right. The schools are gone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8877.681

Let's hear this. Put your headphones on. Eric's a smart dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8922.887

Well, if the shit goes down, you need people like that. You need people that know how to solve problems. Yeah, yeah. But also, you know. You can't have some overweight lesbian that says that if you're trapped in a building, you already made a mistake. You're already fucked up. You need me to carry you. Is that really what she said? You want to hear it? Yeah, I do. Let me hear it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8943.661

Jamie, you can probably find it, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2257 - Bryan Callen

8948.363

I certainly have it in here. I know I can find it if you just give me a moment. It's just, it's so ridiculous. You hear her say it and you're like, what are you even saying? Here it is. I found it. It's not AI, right? No, no, no, no. Here, Jamie.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

8973.443

I've had to call you and ask you. I called you. I was like, is this AI? It's really hard to tell. Headphones on again because you're going to have to hear it because it's so crazy. It's so ridiculous.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9010.522

That is such a crazy way to look at things. The correct answer is no, I cannot, but I can do other things.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9018.647

Yeah, and we are going to need people that can carry people out of buildings because that is a part of the job. Yeah. It's not he got himself in a bad situation.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9037.039

One of the things we saw during the 2024 election is massive chunks of California turned red that had never been red before. And I suspect that that trend will continue and be even further and flip the top.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9053.476

Yeah. I think we're going to get to a point where they wake up and you're going to have to have someone come in and clean up the mess. I think the greatest... Someone's going to have to be socially liberal, but fiscally conservative and pragmatic and realistic. But they're going to have to be a person like you or I, who supports gay rights, supports women's rights, supports equal rights.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9076.003

Of course. But also... The thing is don't hire people that aren't qualified for a job because you don't want to hire white people. That's crazy. Hire everybody that's qualified and then make everybody else more qualified.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9092.119

That's why sports are great. Right. Figure out a way to fix all your fucking urban problems. If you have $24 billion every year just for homelessness, imagine what that could have been done to clean up communities.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9103.183

Because you haven't done a goddamn thing about homelessness and all those people should be held accountable.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9130.983

It's a bunch of people profiting. I mean, Coleon Noir, when he was on the podcast, explained that to me for the first time. He said when he was in San Francisco, he said, what is going on? Do they just need more money? He's like, no, you don't understand. It's the opposite. It's like there's a business now in keeping homelessness there because there's people that are making a quarter.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9147.498

Quarter million dollars a year, and they're just working on the homeless problem, and they're failing. We got 31,000 new homeless people this year. It's just failure.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9169.702

Yeah. Well, it's collapsing under the weight of its own bullshit. Oh, did I tell you?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

922.944

I don't know what happens to the entire city now because people are looting like fucking crazy. Gigantic groups of 100 men organized are pulling into neighborhoods that are being evacuated, smashing through doors and pulling out TVs. There's film footage of them. There's also a bunch of people that have been caught setting fires.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9239.361

Well, that is where Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy come in. Maybe. Department of Government Efficiency. Maybe. For sure. Maybe. I don't know what they're going to be able to get done.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9378.878

No. Transportation. He's transportation. It was the guy who stole women's clothes.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9385.462

Yeah, he was responsible for that.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9388.324

That's not a guy. That's a they, you piece of shit. Sorry, bro. Sorry. Don't misgender that thief. That's the most important thing, that fucking guy. Don't misgender that thief. Jesus Christ. You understand what I'm saying? Yes. Oh, it's beyond complicated. Yeah. Unbelievably complicated. Yeah.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9453.928

Brian Callen for governor.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

946.34

One guy got caught setting fires and he had a UN debit card. What? And he had a bunch. I'll send it to Jamie. The guy that got arrested for, I'll tell you which fire it was, but he got arrested. He had a UN card. I'll tell you exactly. I don't want to fuck this up.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9477.162

Hey, man, it's interesting. Yeah, I'm into that. I had that Wesley Huff guy on. Do you know who he is? Yeah, he was really interesting. And one of the most fascinating things that I can't stop thinking about is how the book of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls was verbatim the same as the book of Isaiah that they found a thousand years later. Wow. A thousand years. Wow.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9499.52

And it was exact, word for word.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9502.763

Like, that's incredible.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9508.828

It's very interesting. It endures. I always go back to, like, what were they trying to do? What was it really all about? I think I know. Where did it start?

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9617.176

I think you pay psychologically no matter what. 100% when you're not telling the truth. Right. And the people that don't, those are the people that are the most delusional and the most disconnected because they put blinders on as to who they are and what they've done. I mean, you see this when people get caught for horrible crimes. Yes. Like Bernie Madoff type people.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9638.433

Like they've deluded themselves to a point where they don't look at – they're complete sociopaths. Yeah, man. Which is a weird path that the mind can go into where you're never wrong and it's always about you.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9731.942

Let me tell you something. Yeah. You were in a lesson.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9745.145

Also, you were charming. Charming is a problem.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9749.169

Yeah. Charm and you were fun to be around. People liked you. You were fun. A lot of friends. Yeah, a lot of friends.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9756.956

And also, we liked that you were ridiculous. Of course. We liked that you were living your life completely chaotic. Reckless. Yeah. But it's also why you're funny. That's the balancing act. It is, right? As a comic, as a human.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9781.188

If you want to be funny.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9783.45

Yeah. If you become too calculated, man, I just think you outthink yourself. You lose the magic. Part of the magic of being a comedian is these sparks of ridiculousness that have to pop into your head. So you have to be able to entertain that part of your mind. I used to think when I was young that I didn't want to meditate.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9806.852

Because I didn't want to become enlightened because it would fuck up my comedy. It's true. Well, I thought that way because I realized that there was a completely different mindset between me as a martial arts competitor and me as a comedian where I didn't need anybody's approval before. I liked that they didn't like me. I used to love going to places and fucking up the local hero.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9825.861

I used to enjoy it. I used to get a kick out of it all because I didn't have anybody in my corner. I didn't have anybody cheering for me. Nobody came to see me fight. So I was like, I'll go to your place and fuck you up. I liked it. I liked hearing people cheer. Relying on yourself. There was a fight that I had when I was 19 and I fought in Anaheim at the Nationals.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9846.037

And there was this guy who was the state champion. I think he was from Illinois. And I hit him with a wheel kick that was probably the hardest I've ever hit anybody in my life.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9855.447

Well, he went unconscious and he never woke up. They took him to the hospital. They took him out on a stretcher. It scared the shit out of me. Jesus. Because I remember thinking that easily could have been me.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9866.217

That easily could have been me. But what I do remember was all these people were cheering him. Let's go, Johnny. Come on, Johnny. Fuck him up, Johnny. All these people were cheering him. Whack! Face plant and then snoring. Jesus Christ. And then I remember the satisfaction of that. Like, shut the fuck up.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9888.09

I was limping for days. Really? Oh, yeah. Did you hit him with your heel? I hit him with my heel in his cheekbone. Oh, Christ. On his cheekbone. Yeah. And I was fast. That'll hurt. I was fast.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

990.031

He had five cell phones and a United Nations prepaid debit card.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9901.415

But back then when I was 19, I was fast. So it happened in a breeze, a quick moment. And then I remember thinking afterwards, when is he getting up? He's not getting up. He didn't get up. And then they carried him away in a stretcher and they took him to the hospital. And I never felt the same way about fighting again after that.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9920.385

Yeah. I also thought about like... If that was me, would I even be the same person again after that? Because I had a friend who fought in this tournament. He fought this guy, Jersey Long, who was this Canadian national champion. And he got axe kicked in the head hard. And he went unconscious and real bad. And he was never the same guy again. He was timid after that. He never fought well.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9943.197

He didn't show up for training a lot. And he just seemed depressed afterwards.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

998.322

You're always skeptical. Is this conspiracy? You son of a bitch.

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#2257 - Bryan Callen

9998.093

It doesn't matter. The person trying to hit you in the face is scary.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

10041.54

I can't wait to read it. Thank you so much. Thank you for everything. It was great having dinner with you and Hal Puthoff and everybody else last night as well. So I really appreciate you very much. Thank you. Bye, everybody.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

1264.032

So could you explain, so they're looking for this Russian spacecraft. So how do they, what's the environment in which they remote view? How do they set this up?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

1359.726

When you say a stack of targets, can you explain, like is it a map? Is it just coordinates?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

1604.916

Right, it just happens randomly. What kind of things?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

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Had you had any of these that didn't work? Did they try any?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

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Who is the best at it? Who's the best at remote? Is there one person that's consistently accurate?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

1909.26

I had heard about this, but I didn't know it was that accurate.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

1982.525

Is this based on past experiments and the way they were achieving results?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

1988.768

They were grading every test subject and so on. So he didn't want to give you another experience. He wanted you to take that experience and just sit with it.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2004.662

Right. And did you feel like that if you did that, it would aid you in your ability to do it in the future?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2086.241

Was there a specific way that you achieved a state of mind that made you more able to perceive these coordinates or perceive what signal you're getting from remote viewing?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2143.942

Did he ask you to put your mind in a specific place? Was there a way of counting yourself into... The idea is not to put my mind into it.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2195.236

So you just have to let the information come to you somehow or another and not try to imagine the information or create the information or perceive it.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2204.445

Right, just let it happen to you. And so you had seen him do this, and you knew that this was a valid field of research, so you were just open to it, and you just sat down there and tried to let it happen to you. Did it happen any other time that resembled the Andes Peaks, where you have that overwhelming feeling of cold and falling?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2512.487

You would also have to consider that's an extraordinary state of mind. To be a general in a world war and the consequences of everything you do and what is at stake in this war has got to be a state of mind that's very, very unusual with so many consequences and so much pressure.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2533.382

that it probably makes some signals more clear if you have that ability to perceive them because you must be in a heightened state of awareness because of the consequences of your life.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2576.566

When did they first start researching this? When did they believe that this was an ability that some people had?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2706.72

Especially to a narcissist dictator who's on drugs. That's right. Yeah, that's right. Well, that's always the age-old problem with seers. Like, how do you know who's a charlatan and who's real? Because there's always a bunch of fake psychics. There's fake palm readers, fake tarot card readers, people that are just con artists that are just trying to swindle people out of money.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2731.692

But that doesn't discount the possibility that some people have... these bizarre abilities, and that is something that people have sort of recognized forever, but it's always been dismissed, especially in this modern-day reductionist culture that likes to only look at things that are tried, true, proven, agreed upon, and then trust the science, like this concept that...

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2787.19

where they're doing a documentary and they're showing all the footage. So you're going to be able to see it for yourself. I'm hoping that this stops the ridicule because there's a bunch of scientists, and I think this is with the UAP topic as well, the UFO topic as well.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2804.94

I think there's a bunch of people that don't want to consider it because there's too much bullshit out there and there's too much of a possibility that you could look like a fool.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2814.526

And to a very respected scientist whose research is very important, as you were talking about with the IBM thing where there's hundreds of millions of dollars that are dedicated towards these, why would you risk all that and the credibility of all that on this nonsense about people seeing things with their brain in a closed room, finding coordinates, pretending they're on top of a mountain, all that kind of stuff?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2859.237

Yeah. Yeah.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2877.881

So it's just a cultural limitation of the culture? Yeah.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

2942.362

So it's about 95% you can explain away.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3046.797

And they're in the files far back enough in history that it's impossible to imagine human technology achieving these things.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3059.882

Yeah. There's a bunch of cases that rule out the possibility of human technology. When you're talking about people using propeller planes and seeing these things. We were at a time technologically where it's not possible to imagine that someone had gone that far beyond us.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3078.169

Now we are in that time where you see things, you go, well, how much of that is some sort of top secret government program, some military program, and they have drones that can move at extraordinary speeds with some undisclosed propulsion system. That's possible today, at least theoretically. We entertain those ideas. But back then, this is one of the most fascinating things.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3102.164

I told you last night that I consumed three of your books in the last six months. And there was this series of three that you did that had a bunch of different encounters, not just right now I'm on the Invisible College, but the last ones that I read were the ones on various contacts that people have had and the similarity of these stories. And they go way back, way back.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3129.972

way back before it was sort of a cultural artifact. Like right now, I think in people's minds, the gray aliens are so iconic. A flying saucer like that, that's a copy of the sport model from Bob Lazar's adventures. These things are in pop culture to the point where you almost would expect to see them. You look for them.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3153.221

If you see something, you could imagine that you could twist it up in your mind and make it like that. But the problem is these stories go way before that. They're too similar. They go a long, long way back, and there's too many that are very, very similar to what we're talking about today, to the point where it... A rational person would have to say maybe there's something more to this.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3184.366

What do you got there?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3292.996

Jamie, can you see if you could find an image of this we could show people? You found it? Yeah, that's it.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3336.715

Right. But that's what they used to stop arrows back then. They used a shield.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3341.598

So doesn't that just make – I mean that doesn't seem to me to be a UFO. It seems to me to be a shield that they would protect.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3370.595

Okay. I think some of the more compelling stuff is like the stuff in the ancient Hindu scripts, the V-manas and all these different flying crafts that people described. They've always been a thing that people have described.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3433.127

Yeah, that's lucky. But people do have a fear, a legitimate fear of being ridiculed, and that could stop their ability to be promoted anywhere. within whatever organization they're in that you don't want to think, oh, there's kooky Bob over there who thinks the aliens are watching us.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3469.632

So that looks way different. So that coin is much more compelling because that looks like something flying in the sky above the city. That doesn't look like a shield at all. And what is that peak at the bottom of it? It's also the same thing, whatever. Yeah, that's very different.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3497.118

There's a really old painting, like a biblical painting of these people that look like they're flying around and like seated in these crafts. They're in the sky. I've never seen any sort of a conventional explanation. What is that artist depicting?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3541.245

See if you can find that image, Jamie. You know the one I'm talking about, right? This one? Yeah, that's exactly it.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3546.889

But we wanted to— Like the one on the lower right. Well, both of them, but the lower left. What is that? That looks like a craft. It looks like someone's seated in a craft.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3614.102

Right, not just artwork. Right. But it just is very bizarre that this artwork continually depicts people in crafts. And look, what is that thing flying around?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3657.218

What's that one over there, Jamie, in the second row that says Inside Ancient? Yeah, that one. What the hell is that? That's what really freaks me out is the paintings on cave walls that look just like Gray's. These bizarre paintings of things that just look like they are people wearing helmets.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3755.933

See if you can find some of those, Jamie.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3758.615

And you see similar things that indigenous people in Australia have painted, similar things. It's all over the world. Yes. In completely separate environments, very similar features in these cave paintings. Yeah.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3944.376

Well, it was very thorough and very objective, which is what I really enjoyed about it, where you were very clear what we absolutely knew and very clear what could be nonsense and myth. And that one of the things that keeps occurring over and over again is these similar stories. The stories are really similar from the 1700s to the 1800s into the 20th century.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

3970.885

And then you – again, now it gets more muddy because now you have a bunch of people that realize that there's value in concocting a story and then talking about it and selling a book and – I think there's people that are grifters, and I think they – I probably had a few of them on. They are capitalizing on this desire that people have for stories.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

419.163

I was reading something that was, God, I just, I glanced at it quickly and I was running out the door, but I was going to ask Jamie to pull it up. There's new research that shows that human beings have the ability to detect the magnetic field. The same way that birds do when they fly south and other animals they believe do when they navigate terrain.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

4241.067

What are the most compelling paintings that we could find right now from like the 1700s or 1800s? Yeah.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

4296.415

Do you know the name of it? So Jamie could try to find it online?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

4303.218

Okay. Okay. So there's also a bunch of depictions of egg-shaped crafts. Yes. This is very common as well, right? Yes. And the couple that you had in one of your books from, was it the mining people? Yes. from was it California or was it Nevada?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

445.461

They think that human beings have this ability. That perhaps it's something that we have ignored so long it's atrophied or it's not something that we use.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2288 - Jacques Vallée

4454.619

Could you explain, tell me before we move on to those other cases, what correlations did you find?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

4498.143

How do we know that it breathes at all? How do we know that these things breathe at all? They had no breathing equipment. How do we even know that they're biological? They had two eyes, a small nose, a small mouth. But couldn't they possibly be some sort of a creation? Instead of being a biological entity, couldn't they be some sort of artificial life?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2288 - Jacques Vallée

4569.445

Oh, so they were trying to get tiny people to power their ships because they were lighter.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

4594.232

Well, I know that the Russians, there was some talk of them trying to create a human-ape hybrid. They were trying to do something with chimpanzees and try to create some sort of a human-chimpanzee hybrid for war, which is a terrifying thought. First of all, if they were successful, how terrifying would that be?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

4613.619

But just that they were interested in doing that, creating a race of chimpanzee human warriors.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

472.162

Well, I was going to ask Jamie to pull up the article, but the point being that there perhaps are senses involved. That we're either not aware of. Humans, like other animals, may censor its magnetic field. Yeah, this is it. Okay, this is from a while ago. This is from 2019. Okay. This is not the same article, but it's probably a rehash.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

495.524

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I really enjoyed our conversation last night. We all went out to dinner and how put off blew my mind.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

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And so these beings are just tiny, look like people. Did they have different features than us? Or was it just human features?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

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So these people were reluctant to talk about what these creatures were communicating with them.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

5214.635

Very personal.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

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But it was very profound. Yes. And all three cases had similar stories in that regard.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

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Half a ton of it.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

6114.297

Of stuff, yeah.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

6120.881

So that's the area where the – And so this steel you can make on Earth?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

6133.341

It's a composite of a bunch of different materials.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2288 - Jacques Vallée

6206.562

Right, but that wasn't the case, right?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

6209.784

So the isotopes hadn't been manipulated. Have they found, because I've heard this about Gary Nolan in particular, that they do have samples of things that they can't explain?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2288 - Jacques Vallée

6337.536

So what samples have they found that have been the most compelling?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

643.555

Have you heard or listened to the telepathy tapes? The telepathy tapes. Are you aware of this? Vaguely. It's a podcast that's about nonverbal autistic kids that demonstrate psychic ability. They've got dozens of these cases on video where people in other rooms are looking at objects.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

6570.519

Well, I'm glad they're willing to do that. I had heard that there was some alloy that was very difficult to comprehend that someone would be able to construct, that it would cost billions of dollars to make this particular type of alloy, that they had discovered something along those lines.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

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The child, completely locked off, can't see them at all, will say and write down what those objects are, colors, numbers in sequence, and very accurately. And so they believe that this is something that, well, many of these parents have talked about it in the past, but felt foolish, felt like it was something that they would be ridiculed about. And so they didn't want to talk about it openly.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

6712.441

Yeah, and with an interesting title, too.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

6716.864

If people want to find this, it says improve instrumental techniques, including isotope analysis applicable to the characterization of unusual materials with potential relevance to aerospace forensics.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

6733.407

That's a very tricky way. Relevance to aerospace forensics.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

6742.373

What do you mean? Aerospace. Who's aerospace stuff? So this is the question. If these encounters happened, if this egg-shaped craft was real, and if these small people-like things that breathe air did communicate with people, where are they from? Is this something that has always been here? Is this something that visits here? Is it something that is here?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

692.002

But once they started gathering up information, they got more people to open up about this and they start documenting it. And they start coming up with ways to make sure that there couldn't be any possible way they could be communicating with each other. And it's just utterly fascinating because they're showing that there is something going on.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7005.368

Jamie, see if you could find a good photograph, excuse me, an image of the infrared image that was taken by those F-18s.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7017.038

Yes, of that tic-tac. And then they also got the video representation, the video of the thing taking off at some extreme rate of speed. That's it right there. So that's the image, right?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

710.614

There's some way of transferring information back and forth, including some of these teachers have figured out a way to not just receive but also transmit the same way these children have. So people that aren't nonverbal and they aren't autistic, these people are able to do it as well. They've been able to create a bond with these children and communicate with them.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7230.575

So you can send a signal to another place that makes it look like there's a B-52 there?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7275.772

Right. One of the things that they said about the Tic Tac was that when they encountered it, it was somehow or another blocking their detection signals.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7365.445

So I've always questioned where they take place because they take place in the same areas where the United States always runs military training exercises. They take place off of San Diego, off of the East Coast, all these areas where we know that they run exercises all the time, restricted airspace.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7390.306

Yeah, it was. But it was still off the coast of San Diego where they do these things, which is why the fighter pilots were there in the first place. But it's not restricted. I mean, the Russians could fly there. Right. Not that area, but isn't the area off the east coast where some of those things are restricted? I don't know. Okay.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7409.851

It says China's electronic war gadget turns small drones into flying stadium on radar.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7420.556

Wow, so they can make it look like a flying saucer.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7424.998

Whoa, look at this. The effect, similar to a giant flying saucer suddenly materializing in midair, would be reminiscent of a scene from a science fiction film, but is achievable according to a peer-reviewed paper published on January 8th. Whoa.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7452.595

Yeah, just pretty cool.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7456.438

What I was getting at was, If you're the United States government, if you're the military, and you have this kind of equipment and you want to test it, what better way than to test it on people that don't know you're testing it on them? Send your fighter jets out there. Have them encounter these things.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7476.029

run your whatever experiment you're doing with making something appear and reappear and take off and come and give them these signals give them these disruptive deceptive signals and see whether or not they the problem is they had visual confirmation of these things that's the real problem the problem is they actually saw these things like the the tic-tac was they visually saw it for people right

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7643.03

But it's interesting that they have that ability. That's fascinating. That throws a lot of this stuff into question, like what are we actually seeing? Yes. But it doesn't explain all these things. And that's the problem that I always have is that just the abundance of encounters and how similar a lot of them are and then what it must feel like.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7665.952

I've never had an experience, but what it must feel like to have that experience. that you probably would be very, I wouldn't be reluctant because I'm a known person to talk about silly things. But if you're not, if you're like a serious person, you have some sort of an encounter, I would imagine there's a lot of pressure on you to not tell people.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7688.024

If you're a lawyer or a doctor or you're any sort of like respectable person that's a serious individual in whatever you're doing for a career, you don't want people to associate you with nonsense or think that, oh, maybe Mike is losing his mind. You can't because you have people relying on your ability to – So maybe you tell your friends. Maybe you tell your mother. Maybe you tell your wife.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7712.192

But you probably don't tell the press. If you're a scientist, I would imagine you would have to have significant evidence for you to stick your neck out. Or you're a person like yourself that's been very brave for all these years. Because you were talking about this stuff in the 1960s, which is pretty crazy.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7942.168

1955, so back then.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7945.773

Okay, so we could also apply that. If it was a jet, it would probably be very loud.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

7956.185

Was this thing quiet?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

8041.892

Right, but that one experience that you had when you were 15 is what ignited your interest in this for so many years. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you hadn't been doing – I mean the thing that's very important about people like yourself is that you're so careful in how you document these things and the conclusions that you draw.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

8060.456

Because I think this field of UFO study is filled with so many people that claim to have answers, claim to know things. And this is going to happen and this is coming and this is – disclosure is imminent and this – And that's not it never comes true. It's always you're just left waiting for some new evidence that supposedly they have. And this is the more frustrating aspects of it.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

8087.176

Like when talking to Christopher Mellon, he's telling me there's high resolution photographs and video and. How about showing me? Show me some stuff. Show me something. Because as a person, when I was 15, I didn't see anything. So I don't have that experience that you have.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

810.874

And perhaps it's something that people had before language and language and then written language and then of course media sort of eroded those abilities.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

8103.008

I just have this fascination with it, but also tempered by a little bit of cynicism because there's so much malarkey that's attached to this subject.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

8274.235

Exactly what it was from the beginning. Interesting. So some things are listed as unidentified because it's so classified.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

8294.642

Right. What was your take on the Ryan Graves stuff? Like Ryan Graves and the fighter pilots that started seeing these squares within a sphere?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

8370.894

The thing about the Ryan Graves stuff, those, the physical characteristics, like in the way it moves, that these things were able to stay stationary and 100 plus knot winds.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

8389.46

If we are being visited, how many different civilizations do you think are visiting us? Because if there's all these different characteristics that these beings have, if some of them look like tall albino, almost like human beings with large eyes, some of them look like the greys, some of them look like dwarfs.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

842.247

Right. So perhaps it's something that we all had and we've lost it. Now, when you were initially studying parapsychology, what were the protocols that you were using? Like how were you trying to determine whether or not people were capable?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

8560.137

Nor am I. I'm not happy with it, but it's very compelling. What's fascinating to me is that it is inevitable, that if technology advances the way it is currently within maybe even our lifetime or within another lifetime, another hundred years, we will most certainly have an artificial reality that's you cannot discern, indiscernible between that and the reality we currently experience.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

8587.505

So if that's inevitable, you would kind of assume that perhaps it's already taken place. And if it had already taken place, it would probably be very similar to what we're experiencing. Whereas enough of it seems fake, and enough of it seems scripted, enough of it seems very coincidental, how things line up, that it almost does seem like a simulation sometimes.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

9059.218

Yeah, that is a fascinating aspect of it. You would expect that if you thought about how fast our technology evolves, technology from 1947 from some other planet would be exponentially more advanced than what we experienced in 47. Just based on how our technology evolves.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

9101.708

And we're only talking about 100 and some years ago, which is pretty crazy. You go from this thing that Wilbur and Orville were right, you know, kind of like get it to take some air for a little bit to the Chinese jet, which is disguising itself from radar and travels at insane speeds. And then the possibility of other propulsion systems that have been kept under wraps.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

9125.82

Oh, to the Harrier that stays. Yes. And then lands like that. Yeah. No, just the technology that we know that we're aware of over the last 200 years is pretty extraordinary. And if you imagine something from somewhere that's had thousands of years to evolve past us –

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

9366.842

No. No. I can understand. It was that terrifying if you woke up screaming.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

9375.186

That's like similar to the monolith in 2001, right?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

98.366

70.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

9814.11

Maybe you called for it and it took a long time to get there.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

9823.072

Maybe they were there the whole time and they just didn't want to show themselves. So let's put on a show for Jacques.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

986.566

Whose spacecraft? Ours?

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

9862.411

I talked to a man when I went to visit Skinwalker Ranch. A few people wanted to talk to us, but then once we brought the cameras out, only one guy wanted to talk to us. And he was very rational, very normal guy who lived in a modest home. And he told the story about this ball of light that entered through his home. And it seemed to be somehow or another aware that he was there.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

9888.646

He felt like it was, if not a living thing... controlled by something that was alive. And then it went through the walls and disappeared again. He said it was in his home for a few minutes. It's moving around.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

9931.934

Well, it's such a fascinating subject and like I said, I really appreciate all your years of research and the way you're so measured and so objective in your analysis. It really helps people like myself get at least some sort of an understanding of what's going on.

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#2288 - Jacques Vallée

9967.446

Yeah. Well, thank you very much. And your book, again— The one that's available now. This is Forbidden Science 6. This is the sixth of these books.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

10051.409

And then, you know, arrange a supposedly unconstitutional president election by mail in voting during the pandemic. Wow.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

10480.245

Okay, the thing that you think you're going to get in trouble for. Oh, you're going to make me do this? Well, you already teased it.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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So your argument is essentially that this game plan is ubiquitous. And that this game plan is done in the United States too to promote drug use and drug selling, which they profit off of.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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And then it was, you know, that's all that stuff that Michael Rupert exposed.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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So Let's get to Brazil.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

11722.568

And X is still banned in Brazil.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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So they have to censor.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

11739.718

I should note. Oh, say lift ban October 8th.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

11743.359

After it pays a $5 million fine. Right. Right. But, and by the way, the ban, the ban is in place essentially to keep us now for gaining power.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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So we have a very specific outcome that we want. And then we also make sure that they use voting machines that we provide.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

11926.775

What's unbelievably baffling to me is the complete absence of the coverage of all these things that should be very concerning in mainstream media. Complete absence. All the discussion, the negative anti-Trump discussion about USAID shutting down is all the good that it does. And then also you're going to get access to people's private data. That's all you're hearing.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

11954.958

You're hearing the gaslighting spin is those two things.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

12093.41

This is a lot. I think it's probably good to end right here. Okay. But thank you, Mike. Thank you for everything. Thanks for being you. I don't think a lot of people would chase this down like this. And I know this is a lot of weight. It's quite a burden that you're carrying. But, I mean, I think you're being vindicated in a scale that I've never seen before. It's pretty impressive.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

12116.818

And all the stuff that you were talking about before all these documents were exposed, before the doge went into USAID, you were dead right about all of it.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

12169.99

My pleasure. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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Mike, good to see you. Great to see you. I've been looking forward to this one. Me too. All night I was like, ooh, tomorrow's going to be a good one. For you, it must have been very exciting to have the vault opened and to get a peek into the machine, because you've been describing this. The last time you were on the podcast, you went into depth about USAID.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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I've been seeing is that there's been legal action to try to halt some of it. They've been told to destroy any information that they got from certain databases. What's your take on this and whether any of that is going to hold up?

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Like what is the case that he lost? It was in Georgia and he was accusing these women who worked at this election facility of something – some improprietary.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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It's so crazy watching him brag about that publicly. It just shows you what an idiot he is.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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Find that video, Jamie, because it's a shocking video. Is it just the hubris and the ego that someone has to have to speak of this publicly while it's being filmed? Not just publicly, not just in a room, not even just saying it out loud, but saying it in front of the Council Forum Relations backdrop audience.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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She really said it like that?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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I remember going over convincing our team or others to convincing us that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn't.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

2226.724

So they said they had, they were walking out to the press conference, said, no, I said, I'm not going to, we're not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You're not the president. The president said, I said, call him. I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting the billion dollars. I said, you're not getting the billion. I'm going to be leaving here.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

223.637

When you first started working for the State Department, did you have any inclination that you were going to get involved? Did you have any inclination that this was going on? Did you know already?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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I think it was what, six hours. I look, I said, I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money. Oh, son of a bitch. Got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time. Solid. So they made some genuine, substantial changes institutionally and with people.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

2287.138

It's just wild that someone would be so brazen to talk about that so publicly. No one's going to look at someone that was solid. What was wrong with the first guy? Let's go into depth. You know, the fact that you wouldn't think, like, maybe someone's going to investigate what was the first guy looking into. Oh, why was my son running Burisma? Like, what is going on?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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Why is he making $10 million a year there? What is going on? What is this?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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By the way, do they pay these loans back?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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You already knew?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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And this is already 2016 after we installed a coup.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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In 2014.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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When did you first discover it?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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What are you doing with your lips?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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Can I stop you for a second? What was the investigation of Burisma? What did it entail?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

2570.558

Western Protection is a great fucking title.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

2674.866

Very sticky wicket. What a weird way to phrase that in an official email.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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90%.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

2795.683

And what's important about this is this explains for a lot of people that are very baffled by obvious propaganda and misinformation that's being propagated by the mainstream media. When you look at mainstream newspapers and television shows saying things that are just factually incorrect, you could research it. It's not hard to find out. And you see them propagate this stuff.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

2821.691

This is all the same sort of thing. But this is happening on U.S. soil.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

2856.551

So main objective of Burisma, the main objective, It's an energy corporation.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

2867.5

This is such a wild statement. The main objective of Burisma was to create incentives for journalists to offer sympathetic coverage of the company on energy issues.

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Like what they did to X. Yeah, exactly.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

3280.341

Every single step of the way. There's not one thing they said that turned out to be accurate. Not the death rate. Not the ability to stop infections and transmissions. Not the side effects. Not the fact that natural immunity is far superior. Nothing. Not one thing. Not the lab leak theory. Nothing. Not even the funding of the research. And the actual lab, which is also USAID, right?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

3363.667

Scan and ban the Internet or more importantly, to connect communities with directly with timely and accurate COVID-19 information, which all turned out to be lies.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

34.089

And it's very curious why they chose USAID as the first... organization for Doge to investigate because it seems like they were the ones that resisted the most. Yeah.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

3462.095

The darkest of conspiracy theories was that the leak was intentional. The darkest of conspiracy theories is that this was planned. They knew this is going to be a financial windfall. It is the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of the United States by far from the working class to the elite. It's like three plus, what, trillion dollars or something crazy like that?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

3485.973

We've already established that it was created in a lab. We already established that USAID funded it. We already established that Fauci et al. lied about gain-of-function research, what they were doing. The worst theory possible is that this was released on purpose.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

3506.252

Have you ever danced that one around your head? Because that's where you... We know they're willing to do horrible, evil shit, but is there a ceiling on that?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

3697.475

That's a good way to put it. Okay, back to what you were just about to talk about.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

386.403

What did it feel like being one of the only people that was sounding the alarm for essentially eight years? Like you get involved in 2016 and no one even, the general public, until you came on this podcast, I don't even think we're aware that this was an issue at all. But even then, things got lost so quickly in the cycle of news. Things just come and go so quickly.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

408.015

until doge started unraveling all the spending right and you start seeing things like 200 million dollars allocated to transgender experiments on monkeys like what the fuck Like, this is crazy. And that's just a tip of the iceberg. And then the NGOs. And then that map of 50,000 NGOs that was essentially just democratic propaganda machine that was exposed.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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It's so amazing how thorough it is. The people that want to think the government is completely inept and that conspiracies aren't likely because people are not motivated and not very good at their jobs. The same people that want to say the government is terrible. It's filled with bloat. They don't know what to do. They're not capable of pulling off something with this depth.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

4639.568

So when you see it, when you actually see it laid out and the mechanism in which it was done through NGOs and through these other non-government organizations, it's kind of astonishing. It's kind of impressive.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

5572.053

1989?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

6052.063

Okay. This Al-ban successful opium ban is bad for Afghans and the world. The ban is not a counter-narcotics victory and will have negative economic and humanitarian consequences potentially leading to a refugee crisis. How could they say it's not a counter-narcotics victory? Look and look at the date.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

612.617

It's got to be exciting, though, for you to be there on operation day when they are doing the open heart surgery.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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Do they give any examples of how it would promote peace to keep the opium flowing? Because the way they're saying it, it's like this Orwellian-speak,

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#2272 - Mike Benz

6551.755

This is all so... This is... It's so deep that it makes you wonder, is there enough time in four years to unravel this stuff?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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I think one of the most offensive things to Americans is that all this was being done and all this money was being spent while they were denying money to people that clearly needed it, like particularly victims of natural disasters like Maui. The fact that they're spending all this money on those things and yet they gave those people a one-time check of $770 or something along those lines.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

73.07

And when it all got opened and you started to see the numbers and the different organizations and NGOs that were getting them, was anything surprising to you or was this all what you expected?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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And it says here, within two weeks, the construction company lost 60% of its required labor pool.

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It's a big deal.

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When he had Trump in the White House and smiling and laughing, he looked like he was having a good old time.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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He was happy. A stark contrast between Obama welcoming Trump in 2016. Right.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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I've heard the name.

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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Doesn't this bring us back to what Mike Johnson said that Biden had signed an executive order that he hadn't read about liquid natural gas?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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But this is all music overseas or music domestically as well?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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Have you ever read that Laurel Canyon book?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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About the CIA's involvement in the rock scene in the 1960s?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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One of the things that's come up that has been talked about quite a bit over the last couple of years is that the government had some sort of an influence on the emergence of gangster rap and the promotion of it. What do you know about that?

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#2272 - Mike Benz

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Is that the 2011-2012 thing where Obama allowed people to use propaganda against United States citizens?

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Is that fair to say?

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Right. Let's talk about the Trump assassination one in particular. What did you find about that?

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Wow. And this always goes a very specific way. It always goes.

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One of the things that I noticed since the last time you were here was I used to use DuckDuckGo. And one of the reasons why I started using DuckDuckGo is there was a story about a physician in Florida that took the mRNA vaccine and had a stroke shortly afterwards.

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It was very early on in the pandemic, and they were beginning to speculate that some of the side effects of the vaccine are being hidden. And I could not find this story on Google. I could not find it. I kept looking and looking and looking. I entered in the information on DuckDuckGo. It was one of the first articles. Instantaneously. I was like, this is crazy. Since then, something's happened.

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And I think they became aware that DuckDuckGo was a problem spot for the dissemination of information. And now it appears to mirror Google.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Yeah. I'm afraid to talk about Brave for them to be compromised because, like, we were talking about DuckDuckGo, and I was telling everybody, go to DuckDuckGo. And now I'm like, Jesus, it's the same thing as Google. Like, something happened. Do you know what happened?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Oh, yeah. Why did they try to shut down ProtonMail? What was their argument?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Well, let's look for it right now. Jamie, do me a favor, please, and pull up Google. Obviously, this is happening before the podcast is released, so they can't. correct this because they didn't know you were coming on they didn't know we were talking about this so let's pull up google real quick and put it up on the screen and okay you already googled it Just let me see.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Okay, right away, it shows ProtonMail. And then below that, it shows Proton Account, Sign In. You use the Proton VPN. So how is it suppressing?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Well, why would you be condescending if this is the question? This is the question. For goodness sake. Protonmail, do the Google search, and then right away the first thing is Protonmail.

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So you think that Jamie's account is curated to not hide ProtonMail?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Okay. Well, we can do a real quick experiment. We won't get the results right now, but we will get the results from the future. So I'll ask the audience to do this. So ladies and gentlemen and non-binary folks out there, please go to Google and and type in ProtonMail and screen record this and then upload this.

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Upload this to X, upload this to Instagram, upload this to Facebook and TikTok and all that. And I'd like to see what the results are.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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So you think they look for someone who listens to podcasts and they don't have bias towards them?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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So you have shown that if you collect data in this scientific way that they suppress proton mail? We haven't looked at that. We could look at that very easily. Okay. Do you understand, though, that you're saying they suppress ProtonMail, and then we're saying, let's see if they suppress ProtonMail.

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ProtonMail sued Google or Google sued ProtonMail? ProtonMail sued Google. And what was the accusation?

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They control the narrative and that controls us. Has there been any talk about making these kind of algorithms illegal?

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Okay. So what are we looking at here?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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How did you know? Jamie's a wizard. Mean bias by political leaning, Google only. Okay. So what is this showing us here?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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So this is the search topic is abortion. Correct. This is the average of January to August of 2024. And so when you say mean bias by political leaning, so are you saying they're sending the same biased information roughly? There's a slight difference, a little bit more in the liberal side and a little bit more in the conservative side than the moderate side, it looks like, right? Is that correct?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Yes. So what are they? No, the opposite, right? Seems like moderate is more. But what is the... What is the bias? So if you search abortion, is it leaning towards pro-choice websites and pro-choice information? Is that what it's saying?

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Well, a lot more people know it now. Maybe. As of you saying this on this podcast, yes. Well. Unless they're going to suppress the podcast. But they really can't do that.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Put that back up, please. So what this is, mean bias. And what is this bias showing? Is this bias just negative stories about Elizabeth Warren, like her pretending to be Native American and that kind of stuff? Yes.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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So they're sending people mostly, are you saying right wing centered content? Well, look at the stuff. But one of them is CNBC. Elizabeth Warren wants more student loan borrowers to know bankruptcy is easier now.

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Elizabeth Warren, an anti-crypto movement losing their battle, according to former CFTC chairman, report – So that's an anti-crypto movement. That would definitely be more of a right-wing bias. Warren proposes jail time for corporate greed in health care. That would be more progressive, right? She's trying to eliminate corporate greed in health care.

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Three Republican Senate candidates are competing to take Elizabeth Warren as the mass GOP fights for relevance. Okay, so the way they're framing that, fights for relevance, is interesting. That's a little bit biased. Senator Warren is way off on raspberries and Americans' living standards. Okay, that's certainly a negative article. Likely. Warren calls for Fed Powell's weak need on bank rules.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Democrats want to tax your home, your retirement, your everything. That's a negative one. Senators Warren and Marshall pose questions to Biden officials about the use of crypto to evade sanctions. So that's going to get the crypto bros after her. We don't charge people for air. We shouldn't charge for water either.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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A new tax bill from Elizabeth Warren to Ro Khanna seeks to ban the trade of water futures. Let's go one step further. That seems like a progressive cause.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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But she's a problematic person to search anyway because she's kind of a fraud, right? Like especially with the – I mean, I want to say she's kind of a fraud. Let me say it better. She has been accused of lying about her ancestry. And then she did it for benefit. And then she did it to get into Harvard. She did it to get jobs. And then, you know, she had that challenge with President Trump.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And then it turned out she has a small fraction of... I think I'm 100 times more African American than she is Native American. Something like that. Let me explain. I might have made that up. Let me explain. Okay.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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What I'm saying is with someone like her, it might be difficult to find positive stories.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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So if a person wants to break up Google like she has publicly stated, they're like, okay. Well, we will target you with our search algorithm. We will make sure that people are getting more negative stories about you than positive stories. And we will have a bias that leans towards these negative stories to everyone, to liberals, to conservatives, to independents.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Like that. Have you seen the Alexa when people ask Alexa about Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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So this is essentially a danger that no one was aware of, no one ever saw on the horizon until search engines were created. Now, search engines are here, and it's something that is not regulated, and it's right in front of us. And what steps have been done to sort of mitigate the effects of this, if any?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Oh, I thought you were done melting.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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You want to have a personal meltdown? Yes. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. Yeah. I've never heard anybody plan for a meltdown before.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Well, I don't think that's true. And let me give you my perspective. I don't think most people are aware of this. I think you live in a bit of an echo chamber because this is the focus of your life for the last 12 years. I think most people are – I like to use my parents.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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As an example, like when I talk to my parents about stuff and how little they're aware of it, because my parents are older and they just read the news and they watch the newspapers and they watch television and that's what they believe. They don't do any independent searching. They don't use a VPN. They don't they don't do anything like that. And so they're a good example.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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If I ask them, do you think there's any bias in Google search results? They would probably say no. Because they don't know. Most people don't know. I know in your mind you have put all this information out. And the podcast that we did reached millions of people. How many of those people listened, really listened? How many people were like, wow, that's kind of crazy, but does it affect my life?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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No, it doesn't affect my life because I'm going to vote Democrat no matter what or I'm going to vote Republican no matter what. And this is my feeling on the First Amendment. This is my feeling on the Fourth Amendment. And people already have their opinions.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And so for most people who are busy with their lives, their families and work, they haven't made an adjustment because they don't feel it's necessary for them personally. Fine, fine, fine. But you're not, what you're doing is not futile.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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It's not though, it's not. We just need to do more of these.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Okay.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Yes, there is. So these are all these experiences captured, shining a light on big tech's dark secrets. Hey, hey, revealing real-time ephemeral manipulation. Big tech companies use ephemeral content such as search results, go vote reminders, and video recommendations to rig our elections, indoctrinate our children, and control our thinking.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Okay.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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We're now preserving this kind of content for the first time ever to give our courts and our nation leaders the evidence they need to force these companies to stop their manipulations. Now... Who do you think would be more responsive to you discussing this? Do you think it would be the Donald Trump administration or the Kamala Harris administration?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Well, because I... Because you think it's more biased towards Republicans or against Republicans, rather?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3254.325

As long as it's still benefiting the Democrats and they still contribute to the Democratic Party, I doubt you'll see any movement.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3361.258

Okay. What are you talking about specifically when you're saying recommended to children? I'm saying... So this is what you're discussing? I'm saying that... This is Boondocks, which is a television show, an animated television show. Yeah. So this is recommended to children because it is animated? Is that what the idea is? I don't know.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3384.753

Okay. And then the other one is down below that you see The Walking Dead, which is the horrible scene that made me stop watching the show.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3396.456

I got it. And these are all, okay, there's a lot of sexual stuff. Yep. So these are all being recommended to kids? Yep. We're not searching for them.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And what would be the benefit for them of doing this, of showing all these sexual images to children? It's titillating and it's addictive. So to increase engagement? Correct.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3438.573

And this is just anime?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3443.276

It says to dub anime clips. So they said their own words over these clips? Is that what it is? Yeah. Okay.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And so below that, you're seeing all these images, and some of them are violent cartoons. And what else do they have here?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3493.575

So the reason why they are suggesting these images to kids is because they know if the kids click on them, they're going to get more engagement.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3516.302

Yeah, he's been on a few times.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Okay.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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I'm giving thought to all of it.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3719.919

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

3721.96

That was an internal discussion. Correct. With a search engine company. Correct. That also makes an operating system for phones. Of course, yes. That's such a wild thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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That sounds like something we're absolutely going to need. And one of the things I was going to bring up when you were discussing this was Google's disastrous launch of their AI system. Their AI system was so bizarrely woke that when they looked for photos of Nazis, they showed multiracial Nazis. I know. I know. Which is so crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

3852.108

When they had the founding fathers of America, they were multiracial founding fathers of America. And it's just a nonsense thing that they've attached to what's supposed to be the most intelligent form of information we have available. Large language models that are supposed to be gathering up all the actual information and giving it to us. And instead, they're feeding us complete, total nonsense.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3877.421

That just fits with this, for lack of a better term, woke agenda.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3891.07

I have to use the restroom. So let's pause right now. Let's figure out what you can and can't tell me about AI. And we'll be right back. Restroom. Yes. You want to put it on?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3904.258

Yeah. There you go.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

3911.76

It says tamebigtech.com. Okay. And we're back. So we were discussing AI.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4026.949

Or wouldn't they just baffle us with bullshit until we're reduced to being ineffective? I mean, if they're the arbiters of information in the future, wouldn't they just manipulate us with an understanding that over time, just like what Google's done with over time with search engines and search results suggestions, that they would just slowly steer us towards the place that they want to put us in?

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

4052.179

I mean, the idiocracy, I think it's called. Yeah. I mean, we're kind of on that place, right? You better thank a union member. We're kind of on the way right now.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

4157.682

Yeah, I think it's a new life form. And I think that's what human beings do. I think we're here to create AI.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4209.725

Right. We don't even know if it's going to have motivation to act, right? Right. Marshall McLuhan said this in the 1960s. He said human beings are the sex organs of the machine world. Isn't that wild? Yes. It's like 63, I think.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4250.299

Someone who helped to bring them into existence. Well, that seems ridiculous because he's attaching all sorts of paternal instincts and all the bizarre tribal instincts that human beings have, attaching that to some super intelligence, which seems pretty silly. But it seems like that's a good motivator for him to keep working. I want to be a god.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

4357.157

Kurzweil won't talk to you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4362.682

What does he say when you try to reach out?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4381.448

So they must have had a conversation with him to avoid communication with you. Or do you think he's just acting on his own self-interest?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4406.917

And it seems like you should be able to have a candid conversation with him as to why.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4421.232

So were you trying to communicate with phone, with everything? Did you ever try to visit him?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4431.47

He was here a little while back. I should have let you know. Oh. If I'd known, you could have cornered him. Well, that would have been interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4494.58

That is his specified goal, right? He wants to be able to download consciousness.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4508.953

But the point is— Why do you think it's not possible?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

46.419

I'm sure you love your dog just as much and you want to do your best to help them live longer, healthier, happier lives. And a healthy life for your dog starts with healthy food, just like it does for us. There's a reason having a balanced diet is so important. So how do you know if your dog's food is as healthy and as safe as it can be?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4601.274

Don't you think you could simulate that with data points? Like if you collected data on a person over a course of X amount of years and you had an understanding of how they behave and think, don't you think you'd get some sort of a proximity as to how they would behave in a certain circumstance?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4625.158

But they don't allow for free will. They don't allow for change. They don't allow for personal influence or people being excited or inspired by other things and change their perspective, conversations with another human being, with their friends.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4639.472

You have a deeply personal moment with someone and they give you a perspective on something and you go, wow, I never thought about religion, for example, that way. Or I never thought about childbirth that way. Or any subject that's controversial.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4657.104

The daydreams. Well, there's whatever consciousness is, right? We're really sort of committed to the idea that consciousness lives inside the brain, but that's controversial.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

4688.031

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

5317.035

I'm very, very fascinated by dreams. And I think it's always it's very interesting how we kind of dismiss them as just being hallucinations or it's just, oh, it's just a dream. You just had a dream. But some of them are so realistic and so bizarre. I've always wondered, like, why do they seem so much like reality? And how do I know what the difference is?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

5341.924

Like maybe reality, like as in waking life, is a more persistent dream. So when you're saying that it's streaming and that's why you can't get it back, what do you think it is? What do you think a dream is? And have you ever talked to like lucid dreamers or people that use techniques to try to master the traveling back and forth into the realms of dreams? Oh, absolutely.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

5556.884

So do you think it's an emerging property of human beings? Like you have to think single-celled organisms did not have the ability to see things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

5651.599

Well, you know, that's one of the most bizarre theories about human evolution is that we're the product of accelerated evolution.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

582.936

How do they do that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

5821.978

Yeah, that's what it feels like.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

5825.502

That's what everybody says. Yeah. It's whatever it is. It doesn't seem like an illusion. It seems like another reality.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

5838.547

Not necessarily. Rick Strassman from, you know, Rick, he now believes that it's produced in the brain itself. and it's also produced in the liver and the lungs, and it might not be the pineal gland that's producing it at all. They've kind of changed their perspective on that with the Cottonwood Research Foundation, some of the studies they've been doing on it.

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#2201 - Robert Epstein

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But they know that in some animals it's produced there as well. I mean, they're doing rat studies. But whatever it is, it's produced by the liver, the lungs. It's like it's... It's endogenous. It's the most potent psychedelic known to man, and the human body makes it, and it's illegal. That's what Terrence McKenna had the greatest line about that. He said, everybody's holding, which is funny.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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It is funny. It's like you have a schedule one substance that's made by the human body. It's literally like making saliva illegal. It's the stupidest thing ever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Well, you know, it's also very similar in its compound to psilocybin, especially when it's processed by the body. And that's one of the more interesting theories about how humans became human was McKenna's stoned ape theory.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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He thinks that human beings, when there was climate change in the savannas, as the rainforest receded into grasslands, we started experimenting with different food sources and flipping over cow patties because there's more undulate animals in these fields. And then we started eating mushrooms that were growing on the cow patties.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Mushrooms increase visual acuity, make people more amorous, they start having more sex, they make them better hunters because the visual acuity induces glossolalia, creates language, all these things, associating sounds with objects, that all these things blossom. And then there's the doubling of the human brain size, which coincides. in a timeline with that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Dennis McKenna does the best job of explaining it. Terence was, you know, a bard and a fascinating sort of a philosopher, but his brother Dennis is a hardcore scientist and the way he explains it, he talks about the actual physical mechanisms

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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The different things that happen to the human body when they encounter this substance, which also there's a bunch of different ways that people endogenously stimulate it. There's holotropic breathing. It's probably stimulating that. There's a bunch of different states of meditation that people can achieve. There's kundalini yoga.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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which I know people that have both done DMT and are regular practitioners of kundalini yoga, and they seem to think or they seem to at least state that they can achieve these states of consciousness without taking the actual drug itself. They can force their brain into making it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Are you saying that you think we're connected to it always and then the quality of the connection is changed by taking ayahuasca or taking dimethyltryptamine? That's what's happening? So it's just enhancing the quality of the connection?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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So it's interfacing with consciousness rather than being conscious itself.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And when you say the universe, you're talking essentially about all aspects of it, including subatomic particles, which is like the deepest mysteries, when things become magic and things don't make any sense at all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Right. Right. When you're talking about this connection, are you talking about some sort of a technological intervention? Are you talking about just natural selection, creating this connection and enhancing it in new people?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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How do you imagine that we would simulate this? Do you think we would come up with something that would ... You know how they use electromagnets to stimulate parts of the brain that have been hurt in trauma and are not firing anymore? They do that with people that have traumatic brain injuries? And they give them back a lot of their function.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Do you think there'd be something like that, like some kind of technology that would stimulate your brain's ability to produce these human neurochemicals and just do it in much larger quantities?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And you think the nature of the connection is based on human neurochemistry?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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What was that one?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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So when you say by simulate it outside of the brain, what methods do you think would be able to be efficient at doing something like that or make it effective?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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I think what's important that ties us in with your research is that all of this would lead to an improvement in human communication, human community, the way we interface with each other, the way we exchange information, and the way we collectively act as a group. Whereas the manipulation of this information for political goals, for financial goals,

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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for ideological capture, for manipulating the way human beings think about things is really the contrary to that. It's the opposite of that effect.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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You know, in the early 20th century, when they first started studying ayahuasca, they wanted to describe, they wanted to use the label telepathene.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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for harming but unfortunately harming had already been labeled and so you know because the rules of scientific nomenclature they kept the term harming but these people that weren't aware that that harming had been isolated we're trying to call this stuff telepathy because in their experiences in the jungle when they were taking this stuff they were experiencing these group telepathic moments and they had to say these are hardcore scientists they decided that this was such a profound experience and so replicatable

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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that they were going to call it telepathy, which is really interesting. It really speaks to what you're saying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Well, it's in so many different plants that we have developed a thing called monoamine oxidase that breaks it down in our gut so that we don't get high from all the plants we eat, which is pretty crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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It's telling us— There's a component to our world that we've missed, and that the fact that this dimethyltryptamine exists in so many different plants and animals.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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But I know I dreamt the whole thing. By the way, that's exactly the same as psychedelic experiences. Really? Psychedelic experiences are insanely difficult to remember. They're insanely difficult to remember in the exact same way. Like when you wake up from a dream, you could tell me your dream. Like, oh my God, I was on a skateboard and Godzilla was chasing me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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You could tell me your dream, but you won't remember that dream in a while. And that's the same as psychedelic experiences. When they're over, everyone can kind of tell you what they experienced, but it's very difficult to remember it a day later, a month later, a year later. You get like these little flashes, like almost like a slideshow, a little slideshow. Oh yeah, that thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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part i forgot about that part but you don't remember the experience which seems strange because i remember amazingly profound experiences from my life in vivid detail like um interactions with my children that were just filled with love and happiness you know when they hug you and cry and just like there's moments that you remember like i'm never gonna forget that there's moments that i remember just with friends and i'm like i'm never gonna forget this moment

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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with loved ones, but not the dreams, not these crazy, profound, earth-shattering dreams that make you wake up sweating. You go to the bathroom, you're like, what the fuck was that dream about? That happens to me all the time. And then I go right back to sleep, and then the dream goes away. And then in the morning, I'm like, I'm going to remember that. I don't remember it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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I don't remember it at all. I barely remember it. It's a slideshow. Your brain is protecting you somehow. There's something, and there was something that I was reading actually yesterday.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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about forgetfulness, that it is not a flaw but a feature and that there's something, there's a mechanism that's going on that allows human beings to forget things and that in doing so it's very beneficial not keeping you occupied on those things and allowing you to concentrate on new things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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So instead of just allowing you to have the free will to decide whether or not to think about the past or think about the future, it tries to get rid of it. Like, stop. Get that out of here. So it kills it. It, like, throws those ideas away and that this is actually a feature where people say, God, I'm so forgetful. But are you? I mean, some people are because they have a mental condition, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

7352.88

They have Alzheimer's. They have dementia. They have real issues. But a lot of people... What they're really doing is thinking about other things and that's what makes them forgetful. They're more concentrating on other things and they can't remember. What did I say? Like my wife will tell me things. I'm barely paying attention. And she's like, I told you that. I'm like, when did you tell me that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Like I told you that yesterday. I already forgot because it didn't mean anything to me at the time because I have to filter through. And then Debbie said to Marsha, Marsha was like, how could you do that? And I was going to say something, but I didn't want to. I forget about that. That's in and out because I have no room for that. Right. But some people remember it forever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And you got to think, what is that forgetfulness? Well, this article that I was reading was talking about that forgetting memories is actually a feature. And so there might be some component of that, that you're not totally past this bridge that would connect us to whatever that realm is and that you get these brief memories. interactions with that realm, but you're not ready to be all in yet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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You're not ready to be connected to it. You're not ready to remember all the experiences that you had in this mushroom trip that you went on. It's just too much for you. So let's just get that out of your system because your regular consciousness is not wired to accept the reality of where that realm is. And the fact that...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

7438.988

The other thing is that realm is there in 30 seconds, especially with dimethyltryptamine. 30 seconds later, you're in an impossible realm. 15 minutes later, that's gone. 20 minutes later, you're struggling to remember it. Half an hour later, it's mostly gone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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But it's not necessarily storytelling. It's just memories in general. There's something about, there's a mechanism, I'm telling you, that's happening with psychedelic trips where it's almost impossible to remember them. And I think that's a feature.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

7490.734

Okay. But as applied to everyday life, there is. No. In a practical sense. No. Okay. So in a practical sense, when you say who's the first president of the United States, don't you think you have a memory that it's George Washington?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

7508.363

Well, of course it is because that's what you learned. You learned that in high school or whenever you learned it. So how do you know if it's not in your brain, if it's not stored in your brain? So like if I could ask you what your son's name is, you know what your son's name is because it's stored in your memory.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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So how do you know your son's name?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And what do you think that is?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Right, but you're still avoiding the question, like how do you know your son's name if it's not in your memory?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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But he remembered how to make the music. No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

7679.03

Right. But there's no memory involved. If someone teaches someone how to do something, you don't remember how to do that thing? That's not what it is?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

7697.273

But if there's like skills that I could teach you. You don't think you remember those skills? Like I taught you physical skills, like I taught you how to put somebody in an arm bar. You don't think that's a memory?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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So how does the brain differentiate between what it remembers and what it doesn't remember if memories aren't real?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Right, because they haven't had a detailed sort of examination of the dollar bill. Most people just give a cursory examination to a dollar bill. You look down, oh, that's a 5. It's a 20. I mean, I kind of know, was it Andrew Jackson's on the 20? You know, most people are not really paying that much attention to it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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But if you get a dollar bill scholar and someone who really understands dollar bills, they probably could. Like, have you ever seen Al Franken draw the United States?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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It's really interesting. Al Franken is very unfortunate what happened to that guy because I think he would have been a fantastic politician still. Very interesting person, very intelligent, and a real patriot. So Al Franken can draw the entire United States accurately with all the state boundaries from memory. See if you can pull that up. It's very interesting. Why? Because here it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

7842.43

So Al Franken has deeply studied the parameters of the states and the state lines and can recreate them from memory. Why? Because he's done this before and he has a record in his mind of what this looks like because he's carefully examined that. There are things that I've had conversations with people, you know, a couple of weeks ago and I probably don't remember them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And then there's things where I could tell you word for word someone said. There's got to be a reason for that. And if you're not calling it memory, what are you calling it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Was your computer bag ever out of your care?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Right, but he can do that, and he is the same thing as me. I can't do that. Yeah, and you're wondering why. Well, because I'll tell you why. Because I haven't tried to do that and studied it and memorized how to do it. The same way I could teach you how to memorize certain movements. I could teach you how to memorize certain physical movements.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And then if you practice them, I could ask you in a couple of weeks, try to do it again. And you'd be able to do it. But maybe you'll forget certain key points of those movements. So then I would correct you. And then I'd teach you. Well, you would remember how to do those. And then I would say, what are you supposed to do with your hand? You're like, oh, left hand up. That's right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Because you remember it. So you might not be able to find that in your brain, but it's very clear that something is going on where you are able to memorize things. And memorize them better with music, right? Conjunction, junction, what's your function? Right? We all remember that. Why? Because it's attached to music, and music makes things easier to remember.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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I've never heard that in my whole life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Schoolhouse rock.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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They have a different kind of memory.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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No one looking into the brain. Is there anyone that can draw an accurate map of the United States without having ever looked at an accurate map of the United States?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And how do we even know if they're accurate? It might be as accurate as that dollar bill drawing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Possibly no memory and we still could do all the things we can do but there's no memory Well, you're calling it memory right and I'm saying as a physical function as a function a thing happening There's a you can memorize things. That's how you learn a new language, right you memorize You know me. I'm El Rogan, you know, that's how you do it You remember right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8040.886

So if you're saying that that doesn't exist I'm saying What is happening? Give me some sort of a replacement. I am. I'm giving you a transaction. Right. But where is it stored? I don't know. Okay. I want to find out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Couldn't you use the term memory to accurately describe that storage?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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So the people who are looking in brains and looking for memories, they're not finding- Was it just that they haven't found it yet or they don't understand that you're not going to be able to see it in the same way that you see cells?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8086.105

Perhaps, but let me ask you this. How do we know what size memory is? So are they looking in the subatomic realm? Are they looking at particles that are quantumly entangled? How do they know what they're looking for? Is it simply that we have a limited amount of tools?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8170.154

No, that's not simpler at all. That's way more complex. No, that's super simple. It's way more complex than experiences being stored in a functional way so that you can benefit from them. Except that there's no evidence of any storage and there never will be. How could you say there never will be if he said 100 years? 100 years is not never.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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100 years ago, we were exactly the same species as we are right now. You had to be there. It was the way he said it. I understand. I understand what you're saying. But look, before they understood spooky action at a distance, before they understood subatomic particles, if you tried to explain that to someone from 1850, they'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? But now it's understood.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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It's measurable. It's something that we agree upon. That subatomic particles, that atoms, that neutrinos, all these things exist. Bizarre things. There's neutrinos passing through us right now, right, from space. There's a neutrino detector in Antarctica. We know that there's these things that we didn't know existed exist.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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As we have more access to technology, more understanding of the mechanisms of the mind, Isn't it possible that we could say, oh, this is where memories are stored? And isn't it true that if certain areas of the brain are damaged in particular, it will damage memories? Isn't that true?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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You're married to this transduction process. I'm not saying that it's not in – there's something happening. Let's not even say it's in the brain. Maybe it's in the entire body. Maybe it's in every cell. Maybe it's in the DNA. Whatever it is, there's something in there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8284.024

I see what you're saying in terms of communication with whatever that other realm is. But what I'm saying is that there might be—and forget about the term the brain—local. Let's just say local. Local, okay. Because when I'm accessing, oh, I know what— If I press the turmeric button on the coffee machine, it makes the kind I like. That's locally stored.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8308.681

Other people don't know that if they'd never used that machine, right? This is locally stored information. Forget about finding it in the brain. It might be in the DNA. We don't know where it is. But I know how to start my car. I know how to put it in drive because I've done it before. Yeah. So something is happening where I'm storing information.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8329.674

And the more information I store, the more it makes me effective at discussing certain things. There are certain things that I don't have any information about. I haven't read them. I haven't memorized them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8346.021

There is no information in the brain. Challenging this thing that you're saying that I don't think sounds as complete as you're saying it sounds.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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What's that? What are psychotic states?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8416.754

Right, which makes sense for psychotic states, right? There's some sort of a disturbance in the way the system is running, and it's not tuning in to the other side the right way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8458.378

We were actually just having this conversation the other day with Brett Weinstein. Oh, really? And Brett Weinstein, who's a biologist. And his belief is that random mutation, natural selection, Darwinian evolution, they're all real. It's all absolutely happening. But then there's probably also factors that we haven't figured out yet. And that's what shows human beings.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8481.403

Like, that's how human beings go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And then 20,000 years ago it emerged.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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but they just never made it to that level because... Well, that's where the weirdness of the whole accelerated evolution theory comes into place.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8561.265

I mean, this is... You get into the kookiest of kooky stuff, the Anunnaki and the Sumerian texts and this idea that these lower primates were manipulated and that something was introduced into their genes and that this something is probably some genetics from some superior race or some more advanced race and that we...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8582.702

took on that and that it became a part of us and now it's in our gene pool and now we're moving in that general direction with this different connection.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8607.107

I don't think they're mutually exclusive because neurotransduction theory, as you're saying, if there's these primates on these other planets that never achieved this. And then there are ones that have and have transcended, that these ones that have transcended recognize this quality that's missing in these chimpanzees, and they introduce it. We don't need them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8629.021

It's possible, but we don't need them. We have evolution. But that's why it's accelerated evolution. They've concluded that primates right now have entered the Stone Age. Do you know that? So they're starting to use tools. So it was really interesting, right? So if given enough time, you give them 100 million years, who knows what a chimp is going to look like 100 million years from now?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8651.493

They might be like us. They might do it naturally. The speculation—and again, this is not something I'm married to—but the speculation, this kooky speculation, is that we were visited by extraterrestrials that were far more advanced. And that they found us as these simple shit-throwing primates. And they said, let's juice this process up a little bit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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We know where this is going to go eventually, hopefully, if everything works out. But let's juice it up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

8967.122

It's just been manipulated.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

9066.215

We are never going to let that happen again. Which is democracy. They're never going to let democracy happen again. Exactly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And that's so crazy to be blatantly and openly talking about that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

931.296

So let's break this down because I think we're getting a little in the weeds here. Let's explain to people that don't know what you're talking about what your research is about because most people are not aware. And one of the major issues that you have discovered is the curation and the purposeful curation of information through search engines.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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When you say they, who?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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And what was the mechanism of this attack? How'd they do it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

9410.852

I've never had a way to reach him. Well, hopefully someone will take this clip and put it on X. And he's a junkie. He'll be on it all day. So hopefully someone will put it to his attention and put it up there. Because I'm sure this is very concerning to him. I mean, he has a vested interest in this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

9430.916

Clearly what happened when he purchased Twitter and he found out the extent of government interference in free speech. And how many people were being pressured to not talk about certain things that were inconvenient or how many accounts they were trying to get taken down because these accounts were purveyors of misinformation that turned out to be absolutely accurate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

9456.568

He has a deep distrust, for sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

956.487

So most people that are unaware think that when you do a Google search on something, say if you want to find out about a Kamala Harris rally or a Trump rally, that you are just going to get the most pertinent information in the order in which it's most applicable to your search. But that's not the case.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

9765.276

Tame, tame, tame. TameBigTech.com.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

9780.355

Listen, Robert, thank you for being here. I really, really appreciate what you're doing. If you weren't doing this, I don't know if it would get done. I don't know if we would know as much as we know. I think it would be speculative. I think people would have ideas. I think it would be impossible to prove. And I think what you've done is a tremendous service for people. So thank you very much.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

979.076

The case is everything is curated, and if you want to find positive things about someone who they deem to be negative to you, whatever ideology they're promoting, it will be very difficult to find that information. If you want to find positive things about someone they support, they will be right up front.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

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TameBigTech.com.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

9808.527

Thanks, Robert. Yep. Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2201 - Robert Epstein

999.111

If you want to find negative things about someone they support, they will be very difficult to find and you will be inundated with positive things. And what you have found is that this curation of information from searches has a profound effect, especially on the casual voter, on the low-information voter, a profound effect on who gets elected, and it's tantamount to election interference.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10018.473

Boy, I wish I could tell you, but there's more I can't tell you. There's a lot going on. And that's a really good way, I would think, if I was in control of a narrative that I wanted to be continuously slippery. This is a very slippery conversation. You never get to the end of it. And what would be the motivation? Because there's some sort of a program.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10039.257

that exists that they want to hide, and the best way to hide it is to continually bring up and then debunk these fake programs for crash sites, for dealing with aliens. I would make a bunch of things that are absolutely provably untrue that could eventually be proved as untrue. attribute them to these people, and then have everything else that gets said about the subject get reduced to nonsense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10066.162

Because that's essentially what it does. If you start talking about UFOs and UAP, you're a cuckoo. You're a kook. Until you show me some hard evidence, I've got bills, I've got a family, I don't have time for this. And the people that do get really wrapped up in it are kind of kooky. And the best way to keep that kookiness going is to give them a little bit of taste. Give them a taste.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10084.128

Throw them a little breadcrumb trail. I think there's a thing we found...

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10091.291

Yes. If I was covering up UAPs, I would have all these people go out and be whistleblowers. Because the more they do it, the more it looks ridiculous. And the more everyone's like, disclosure is imminent, and it never comes. No. It's like Lucy and the football with Charlie Brown. You never get a kick out of fucking football.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10143.442

They probably told him that. And also they lied to him about a bunch of stuff. Oh, sure. And didn't even tell him about Chinese drones because they were worried he was going to shoot them down.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10202.225

Well, they're not being told what this is. No, I'm not denying that it's absolutely illegal, but I'm saying that if it is illegal and has been done this way for so long, The odds of you untangling that, they're going to fight against that with tooth and nail because that's going to put a lot of people in jail.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10220.657

It's going to get a lot of people fired, a lot of people are going to lose their careers if they lie to Congress, if they misappropriated funds. There's a lot of weird stuff that gets attached to that. And so I think there is some sort of, whether it's the government, whoever's doing it, there's some sort of sophisticated disinformation campaign that's essentially tied to everything.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10240.424

There's a disinformation campaign that's tied to medicine. There's a disinformation campaign tied to fluoride in the water. There's a disinformation campaign that's tied to almost everything. The idea that there wouldn't be for UFOs is kind of crazy. Of course there is. But if there is, that's really a disinformation. It's illegal.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10259.721

It's bad. I know. I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you 100%. I have a feeling there's a lot going on. And I think they have infantilized us for so long that to give up the reins of that is the same thing that people, like why they don't want to give up the reins of free speech. They're in control of the power. If you really do have knowledge that we are not alone,

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10284.97

and you're hiding that from the American people, well, you've already made a terrible choice, and you've been probably making this choice for decades. Why would you change that now, and what are the repercussions? Are any of them positive? It doesn't seem like they are for your career.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10298.996

I think the best way forward, if you're just one of those people that wants to protect their career, which most of them are, right, which is what the whole Hunter Biden laptop thing was about, people protecting their career. Trump get into office and everybody here gets fired, so they protect their career with lies. This is just what people do.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10315.964

So if you're asking them to disclose stuff that they've been hiding for so long, good fucking luck. Good luck. And if you wanted to create a misinformation campaign or you wanted to confuse the waters even more, I'd have a bunch of fake whistleblowers. I'd get agents to say a bunch of crazy shit about biological entities and mind control and – Shut down nuclear power plants.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10342.717

I'd have them say all kinds of crazy shit that's provably untrue. Okay, here's the little red lights. Is this just a photograph?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10351.866

It's a video? Let's see.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10361.216

Yo, that's moving pretty quick. Whoa, that's weird looking.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10368.088

The problem is you need a Samsung phone because you'd have better zoom.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10383.213

Yeah, I mean it could be. I'm not saying it's not bad. It's hard to look at it because you've got it zoomed in because I'm not getting a perspective of how quickly it's actually moving. It does look weird, but it also looks like how it would look like it was fire in one of those. Well, now it's moving. Very strange.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10400.744

Yeah, it could be. Was it a windy day? No.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10416.014

Drunk aliens. They look hammered. They're not even driving straight.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10427.839

Yeah. The stars moving seems more interesting. I've never seen shit. I convinced myself I saw something when I was a kid, but I'm pretty sure it was a jet. Did you just get this or no? This is the one from my friend that sent me.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10446.367

Yeah, it's probably lanterns. That's probably what you saw. Yeah. Did you get the last one? That's the whole beautiful thing about real investigations. You could find out stuff that's nonsense. And ball lightning is one of my favorite ones. I've seen actual videos of ball lightning. Have you ever seen it? No, I don't think I have. Jamie, this is obviously a lantern.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10468.298

Show us videos of ball lightning.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10475.527

So one of them's staying still and the other one's moving weird?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10478.789

What is that other one? Actually, that's weird. I don't even remember that. So I'll just... It's okay. See if you can find video of ball lightning. Ball lightning is wild, man. If you didn't know what that is, if you didn't know that this is like tectonic plates shifting against each other and they release energy and you see this stuff flying through the air, it's so crazy looking.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10499.099

And it doesn't look... Does it look like the Fukushima UFOs?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10505.403

That's ball lightning. Uh-huh. This isn't a lightning storm, but there's a really cool one of this canyon where ball lightning just comes out of the ground, this canyon.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10541.132

Whatever it is, like, ball lightning is a real thing, and it's really weird. And it moves around, and if you didn't know any better, you'd think it's an alien. But that doesn't discount, like, Ezekiel's take of a wheel within a wheel and all the crazy shit from the Bhagavad Gita. Here's a lantern. Oh, look at the little pretty lantern. That's what I just sent.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10567.212

It might be some kind of – That looked weird. Yeah. But it's also clouds. And he's super zoomed in. Yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10610.932

Yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10698.57

What is your take on this? What do you think is going on with the UAPs? I genuinely – Are you looking for more videos? I was just going to keep sending them though. We've got enough of the lantern videos. All right, enough of the lanterns. Do you see what's going on here? You want to believe that's not lanterns. So you want to keep showing us better videos.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10716.967

I'm genuinely agnostic in the sense that – Right, but you keep sending videos.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10725.815

I'm convinced. I'm putting all my money on lanterns. On the orange orbs. So what do you think this UAP program, what do you think they're actually studying? Like, what is that?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10824.286

No, I agree with you. But it also makes me wonder what's the motivation and what you must have formed some sort of a personal opinion on what's going on, or at least you have an inclination towards what's going on.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10911.075

Well, Project Blue Book was essentially designed to ridicule the people that thought they saw something. J. Allen Honick, when he left Project Blue Book, became a UFO proponent. That's all you need to know. Which is very convincing. Yeah, absolutely convinced that it's all real. And it explained how he was told to label everything as swamp gas.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

10981.189

Do you think there's a genuine fear in giving people this information and having a collapse of society if it turns out to be true? If a genuine – if we – there was a full disclosure and all this top secret video that has been hidden that's really high resolution – All that stuff gets released, and the government says, this is what we know. I'm sorry.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11002.909

Sorry we're keeping this from you, but if we give immunity— But what would it show? Well, I don't know what it is. I could say what it shows, but maybe they know what it shows.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11041.216

But who's saying that the extraterrestrials say there's no God?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11050.78

Well, I think the society collapses because we're faced with an intelligent being that's been able to...

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11056.602

visit us for ages whenever it wants and we weren't aware of it and we the illusion that anyone of human race is in control of this earth and can lead us from some sort of a position of knowledge and strength in the face of this overwhelming force from another planet that would that would be a collapse of rules and of of society the like that we have never seen before but why

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11082.645

Because no one would listen to anyone anymore because there would all of a sudden be a new daddy in town and people would want to figure out what the new daddy wants them to do.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11119.216

I mean, that's part of the lore, right? It's part of the lore. Who's making deals with aliens? I think much more likely be they do whatever the fuck they want to do and we're terrified of them. That's what I think would much more likely. Like, are you going to make a deal with like baboons? Are you going to go to the fucking baboon tribe and go listen, you fucking dummies?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11139.492

I'm going to make a deal with you. No, you're going to do whatever you want. You're going to abduct them and perform studies on them. That's what we do. No, but we- We do that to primates?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11157.001

He did not look protected. He looked like he was in a gorilla prison for no fucking reason.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11178.541

But the reality is some gorillas get abducted and they get put into zoos. Yes. That's the reality. It's bad. Same as some humans get abducted and they get brought on the spaceship. Well, we don't know that. We don't know that. I think probably. Have you ever listened to Betty and Barney Hill talk about it?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11201.749

Okay, finally. Pentagon goes on record. So following Michael's story, the DOD has now commented, the Department of Defense has no record, present or historical, of any type of SAP called Immaculate Constellation.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11217.405

That came from, how do you say your name?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11220.328

Sue Goff. There's a lot to digest. I doubt DOD would ever likely confirm a UAP's existence. I am trying to confirm whether any type of SAP also refers to USAP.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11231.574

We'll bring you more info when I have it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11240.58

I know, but this is my whole point. To keep everybody fucking clueless and guessing and keep all the infighting going on, wouldn't you release a bunch of shit that's not necessarily true? I would. If I was really running a secret government UFO retrieval program and we were in contact with extraterrestrials— I would release a bunch of nonsense all the time that makes it look stupid. Oh, I see.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1126.85

What do you think would have happened if he didn't buy it?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11262.496

Just like they did with Project Blue Book.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11284.719

Also, how can you say that? You don't know. Nobody knows anything. You could say it might be a secret weapons program. Yeah, maybe. Maybe, but it might be we get visited by fucking aliens from outer space because space is goddamn huge and life is here. So we know intelligent life exists in our solar system, which is one of hundreds of billions of solar systems just in this galaxy alone.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11306.56

And there's hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe. The odds that this is it are fucking dumb. That's a dumb thought. So are we visited and does the government know? This is the question.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11317.668

And if they did know, and they've been protecting us all these years, because especially back before they had any control of, when they had all control, rather, of any narrative, whether it's newspaper, television, the government had complete and total control. And the real argument is after Kennedy was assassinated, they've had control over everything, including the presidency.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11338.101

So you can say whatever you want. Why would you tell people? Why would you tell people about UFOs and complicate your life? Just say it's bullshit. Hire a guy to tell everybody it's bullshit, and then a few people know about it. And those few people are the privileged few, and it feels kind of cool to have some inside information.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11354.578

And every now and then you get a little whistleblower, and that guy's a kook. Bob Lazar. Come on. Bob Lazar's a loser. That guy, you really think we'd have him work on our... Oh, he's on the list of the employees at Los Alamos Labs. That's a fucking bullshit. So he knows the inside of Los Alamos Labs by heart. He can walk you around. He knows the security guards. They know him by name.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11376.775

They remember him. He can tell you where the stations are. He tells you exactly how these things move. And then the Go Fast video, you see the fucking thing turning sideways and moving exactly how he described it. So if that's real, if that guy really was working on a retrieval program and that was in 1987, 86, what? How long has this been going on?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11400.808

And if it has been going on for a long time, why would they tell us now? I don't think they would. I think there's a long – if it's real, if it's a real phenomenon that the highest levels of the government are aware of, I think it's been kept under wraps for so long it's almost impossible. It's like a person coming out of the closet. You're 58 years old. I don't want to do it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11420.604

I don't want to do it. You know, it's like it's been so long you've been lying. It would cause so many problems if you came out and told the truth. And I think it's very difficult for people that have been lying to hundreds of millions of people about one of the biggest questions that humans have ever had. Are we alone? And what is this all about?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11440.109

And they've had the answers for all this time telling us now too hard.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11459.821

Sure. Well, especially all these people that have been lying to Congress and misallocating funds and are a part of these programs that are hidden programs. You could go to jail for that. You could lose your career if they blame one person or blame a group of people and they decide, well, it was Mike's idea. Mike's in trouble. Mike gets brought in front of Congress and you're in real deep shit.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11484.599

I agree. I think someone should do that, whether it's Kamala or Trump, whoever gets in there, give them blanket amnesty and let's fucking tell people what's going on. Because either it's bullshit or it's real. Both of them are crazy. The fact that people have been lying about UFOs forever is crazy.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11553.484

Like Rush's position is that he just felt compelled to tell the truth because there's just too deep – and too powerful to be in the hands of these people. It shouldn't be that way.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11568.992

I don't know what it is, but I don't think we're alone. Well, I don't think we're alone in the universe. I think the only question is are we alone on Earth? I don't think we're alone here. I don't think I would allow us to be alone. I think I'd keep a close look on us fucking crazy assholes.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11588.086

Or much more advanced and doesn't want us to be aware completely of its presence. And it's monitoring these psychotic monkeys who have this propensity to be constantly intoxicated who are also in control of thermonuclear weapons and are enforcing magical lines they drew in the dirt. Here's the other thing I'll say.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11628.73

Well, I think one way to ensure that you don't have to kill all the people is to go to the people that have the biggest weapons and say, we're here. Stop fucking around. Leave us alone. And let them do whatever they want to do.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11642.71

That's a good question. Observing us? Probably observing us, just like we observe uncontacted tribes. We observe gorillas.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11661.786

Sure. Well, maybe they're protecting us. From what? Ourselves. That's one theory. Well, the reason why my club, the rooms are named Fat Man and Little Boy is because those bombs that they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that started a whole wave of UFO sightings.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11678.423

And I think that's probably why. I mean, just logically, if I was from another planet and I saw, oh, we've just detected a nuclear bomb went off on whatever they call our planet. Like, let's go see what they're up to and go check in on them. They probably visit infrequently, just like scientists when they're going looking for sloths, they visit infrequently. Just think of what we do.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11702.13

They tag them? Sure. I had a woman on here yesterday that works with wolves. This is her book. Yeah, Diane Boyd, Woman Among Wolves. Her entire life has been tagging wolves, releasing them, studying their behavior, finding out where they go. Of course they would do that with us. We do that with wolves. Of course they would do that with us. We do that with butterflies. We study everything.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1172.646

So do you think when social media first came along, they sort of underestimated the potential and they let it become what it is? And then once it got so huge, then they tried to infiltrate, like perhaps after 2016? Then they try to infiltrate and kind of realize it's a little too late because there's just too many people like yourself and substack people and podcasters. There's just too much.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11723.138

Humans are interested in other things and acquiring information. We're curious. If you're going to be the type of thing that can figure out how to get here from another planet, you're going to be really fucking curious. The curiosity that is required to allow you to figure out interstellar travel is pretty bananas. You got to be super fucking curious. And I think they probably are.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11745.974

i think they're probably aware that there's an adolescent period that every intelligent species goes through when it has the power to blow itself up and it doesn't have the wisdom to not do it because there's clear examples right now every day all over the world of people killing people blowing people up you can see it in the news every day with what's going on the middle east what's going on in ukraine it's really clear that we have the power but we don't have the wisdom

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11772.219

And so there's probably an evolutionary period where this intelligent animal adapts and learns from its mistakes and eventually gets past these base primate instincts of greed and envy and lust and anger and retribution and retaliation, gets past this territorial instinct and recognizes that we are truly all connected. But it takes a long time biologically.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11798.355

And I think the thing that helps it along is technology. And I think there's this furious battle of trying to claim ground and control technology's influence on people because we know it's an overwhelming influence.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11810.747

And we know that the technology that has allowed people to have truth, maybe for the first time in human history, where anyone like yourself can come on a podcast like this, an independent journalist, and you can reach thousands.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11822.08

millions and millions of people that's never happened before and that's changing things AI will change things further and then sentient AI will change things in impossible ways that we can't even imagine there's not a science fiction author around that's right now got an accurate idea of what a hundred years from now looks like It's all 100% guesswork.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11847.59

If you lived in 1500, 1600 wasn't that much fucking difference. Everybody's got a musket. Everybody's on a boat. Basically the same shit. The difference between 2024 and 2021-2024 is going to be bananas. It's going to be impossible to imagine.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11865.879

It's an awesome time to be alive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11871.581

It's a great time for real journalism because you're confronted with so much bullshit and propaganda and that people reject that bullshit and propaganda and they're turning towards real journalists. So thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11881.903

Thank you for being here. Thank you for everything you do. You are a real source of light in this confusing time that we live in. And I appreciate your courage and I appreciate your writing and all the work that you put out.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

11903.77

True story. There's plenty of other podcasts that would still be talking about it, but thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Bye, everybody. Thanks for watching.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1200.332

Too many popular people on Twitter that have huge accounts that are on it all day long and monetizing it and acting as legitimate independent journalists without any sort of oversight.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

14.721

How you been, man?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1403.453

Does Brazil have something similar to our First Amendment?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1572.365

How is Bill Gates in this conversation at all? That's what's confusing. A non-elected official who just owned a software company.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1588.806

We've already talked about George Soros and the fact the FCC fast-tracked him purchasing 200 different radio stations.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1603.899

Yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1632.259

Is that with that woman where she – when he says, well, he's dead now. So be careful.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1683.241

cia approval so the prevailing theory is which what most people believe is that they brought these people there under this premise that you're going to be there with heads of state and industry and famous people and scientists and this is going to be an amazing place where exceptional people get together and once you get there you get a little loose and you start drinking a little and perhaps taking in some party favors and then there's ladies yep

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1723.113

I mean, I'm not. Something's going on in the fact that they haven't been released. Right. The client list hasn't been released.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1736.642

Oh, I've heard people argue it. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1756.428

And there's also you need to maintain power in order to protect yourself from all this stuff that we just talked about.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1813.614

And one of them's protect people trying to tell you not to take vaccines.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1819.856

Yeah. Well, I'm not even telling people not to do anything. No. But there's people that are spreading air quotes, misinformation about vaccines. Right. Including real facts. Well, right. Those are the most dangerous ones. Well, that's what the most bizarre is that he himself has changed his take on it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1837.923

And he did it sort of it seemed like to try to cover up the fact that he was promoting it for so long. And, well, it didn't work as we wanted. And COVID wasn't as bad as we thought. And it didn't really offer the protection that you need in order to actually – it's not a sterilizing virus. It doesn't actually kill the virus. It doesn't keep you from getting it. Right.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1859.874

So it does allow transmission. So he kind of admitted all those things. But like, oh, we'll do better next time was sort of the gist of it. Right. And this idea that you have to use – you can't have people talking about inconvenient things that eventually turn out to be true seems crazy to not push back on. And the fact that he said that and there was no response whatsoever in mainstream media.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1881.669

There was no New York Times articles written about it. The Washington Post didn't cover it and talk about how fucking insane it is to say something like that, especially after what we've been through. The gaslighting. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1898.599

How could you do a debate against the science guy?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1937.48

Well, everybody's seen that Rachel Maddow clip. Right. But here's the thing. If everybody took it, how do we even know if it reduced hospitalization and death? We don't know. And when we know that the fact that the people that died of COVID, the vast majority of them have four plus comorbidities. And we know that some ungodly amount of the population was vaccinated.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1958.871

Was it like 80 percent, something like that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1969.657

Could you, though, if you have 80% of the people that are vaccinated and the 20% that are unvaccinated, are they of a particular political leaning? And what are the health metrics of that particular political leaning? Has anybody done some sort of an analysis on the people that did versus didn't? What was their state of their physical health or metabolic health before they made these decisions?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

1995.231

Because ideally what you would look at if you wanted to find out if it stopped transmission or, excuse me, hospitalization or death, you would want to look at the overall body of human beings and then we have a bunch of things that we do know, right? Okay. So we know that... Here's a group of people that died. Well, what do they have in common? Well, the vast majority of them have comorbidities.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2018.685

The vast majority of them are either really old or obese or are very ill, very, very ill. So we have what was the actual number of people that died of COVID? I think ninety nine point seven survived. Right? Right. So it's 0.03 of the people that got COVID. Is it something like that? Man, I'm not an expert on COVID.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2040.162

You have to take into account how many people were put on ventilators who wound up dying, which we now know was a terrible idea. 80% of the people they put on ventilators died. We know remdesivir had terrible health consequences.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2053.627

We know there's a bunch of things that people are connecting to the vaccine that no one is admitting, and that hospitals and especially employers are very reluctant to say that these mandated vaccinations cause these serious health consequences that we know are real. And then we have this mysterious uptick

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2076.855

of all-cause mortality that everyone wants to conveniently ignore and no one wants to make some sort of correlation or causation. So do we really know that it prevented death?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But I mean, even like saying that in front of Bill Nye, the science guy, like he's saying it prevented hospitalization and death. By what measurement? Like, how can someone so confidently say that when we know there's so much wrong with the vaccine, when we know that it didn't stop transmission, and then we found out it wasn't even tested to stop transmission. That was all a lie.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And the fact that they gave it to so many pregnant women with no tests on pregnant women. There's so much about it where people want to say this one thing because they think it will keep them from getting in trouble. And that thing that keeps you from getting in trouble, the vaccine was good because it prevented hospitalizations and deaths. I'm like, how have you shown that?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Like, how do you show that?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2154.72

It was a magic cure. Right. It's not even like the polio vaccine. Because if you look at polio, have you ever seen the curve of when the polio vaccine actually comes in?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2164.725

Okay. I'll send this to Jamie because it's quite fascinating. Most people are under the impression that the polio vaccine stopped polio in its tracks. But the reality is polio cases have radically declined before the polio vaccine came along. It's weird when you find – I mean that's the problem with these goddamn rabbit holes. I'll send this to you, Jamie.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And this is a bunch of different vaccines that we associate with stopping particular diseases. And what probably actually happened was there was some sort of herd immunity. And it's also the advent of sanitation. People in inner cities are using outdoor outhouses. There's stopping the use of DDT. There's a bunch of different factors that seem to play in that.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But look at where the polio vaccine comes along.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2214.572

Kind of crazy.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2219.055

Yeah. You know another crazy statistic about polio?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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What percentage of polio do you think is asymptomatic?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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99. Wow. 95 to 99, depending on who you ask. And the majority of polio cases today are vaccine-derived polio. So there's a particular strain of vaccine that causes people to get polio. And there's a particular strain of polio, rather, that comes from that vaccine. So where are you at? What's your bottom line on vaccines right now? I am not a vaccine expert.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But I am a person that has been lied to for four years and so blatantly and so obviously. When you look at Fauci talking to Rand Paul and just lying openly about whether or not they funded gain-of-function research and the fact that he got away with all that. The fact that the White House tells you for the unvaccinated you're looking at a winter of severe illness and death.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Just scaring the shit out of people. And it seems to me they were doing that to maximize profits because they wanted to keep selling these things. And a lot of people got extremely rich. Many billionaires were created because of the pandemic, because of the COVID vaccine. It's all very spooky to me because I think there's a long history in this country of people...

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2296.96

Doing things for money, knowing that people are going to suffer because of it. Well, it's just sort of a human thing if you can get away with it. It is illegal and you have the protection in place and you know that you're going to profit largely from this. You do it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2314.632

They pulled out a lot quicker than we did, too.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Right.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2326.84

Well, that's the difference between socialized medicine, right?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2369.295

I agree.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2407.098

Right.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

245.473

The 12 people, it's 12 people?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And it's people that are connected to institutions, all of them.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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So you're connected to educational institutions. You're connected to these pharmaceutical industries, these various institutions that are funding media. So they have enormous influence and power over narratives. And then you have people like Bill Nye, who's not even a scientist. No, I know he's an engineer. Which is really wild, right? A guy who's not a scientist is the science guy.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And this is the guy that is a spokesperson. I find spokespeople for science that are arrogant very strange. It's a very strange thing because there's a scientific method, and that's what science is. Science is applying the scientific method and data and trying to find out the truth based on what we know. It's not trust the experts. No. Especially when the experts are severely compromised.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And what are they being accused of that the government is saying is so important that they need to be banned?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2558.274

Didn't the concept of it come to Descartes in a dream? Of science? Yeah. I believe so. Definitely the idea. See if you can find how he figured out where he initially came up with the concept of science. But it was understanding nature through measurement. I forget exactly how he came up with it, but I'm 99% sure it came to him in a dream.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2584.861

I believe it was like an angel that brought him this information in a dream.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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A French philosopher and mathematician believed that he had three dreams in November 10th, 1619 that revealed the basis for the scientific method and its philosophical methods. He was possessed by a genius who revealed answers in a dazzling light. He went to bed exhausted and dreamed three dreams.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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He envisioned reforming all knowledge, understanding the nature of existence, and how to be certain of that knowledge. Descartes' dreams are considered a philosopher's dream and are considered to be authentic. His interpretations of the dreams are supported by biographical material, neuroscientific theory, and psychoanalytic theory.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Descartes' dream is also the subject of The World According to Mathematics, a series of essays that examines the influence of mathematics on society. The essays consider how mathematics can be applied to civilization, how these applications can be beneficial, dangerous, or irrelevant. So it came to him in a dream, the idea of it initially.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2646.998

It's very interesting, right, that human beings lived for so long before the scientific method came along, and now it has become this weird thing that's been captured by people who are so-called experts, the spokespeople for the science, which is always dangerous when you have an enormous group of intelligent people, which the United States is. The United States is 330 million people.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2671.144

Some of them have degrees. Some of them are just brilliant people that have spent a lot of time studying things. And there's a lot of them. There's a lot of people. So when you have all these people debating things and you want to maintain control and push a narrative, that shit gets very messy. And the best way to handle that is to have certain people be the stern purveyors of the science.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2693.558

That's it. When you criticize Anthony Fauci, you're criticizing science. That's right. He said that. It's incredible. That was a wild thing to say, but it's so transparent because it shows how they really think. Absolutely. And it's scolding. You are not supposed to. It's the same thing that happened when Martin Luther translated the Bible into phonetic languages because no one could speak Latin.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2716.939

No one had to read Latin. They were poor people. But when he translated it into German and all these different languages that people could read and said, hey, this is up to you to interpret what God said, the church was like, hey, fuckface, you're cutting in on our racket. Like, we need people that are the spokespersons for God. The people that are going to tell you what God meant.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2737.728

You don't get to decide what God meant. That fucking dude is dressed like a wizard. He gets to decide. So they're wearing these crazy costumes that regular people don't get to wear, which makes you think, well, he's got the wacky costume and the fish head hat. He must know more than me. Which is a weird play on authoritarianism.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2755.433

It's a weird, it's a very strange thing that people accept when people have costumes on. Like if cops were wearing Nirvana t-shirts and board shorts, you'd be like, hey, fuck you, man. You're just a regular dude. Right. You know, but like you are going 55 in a 50. When he's wearing a uniform, you're like, damn, I'm getting in trouble with a uniformed person. This is real.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2789.79

I do. Yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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They're scientists. They've got a stethoscope. They know what my heartbeat per minute is.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2817.552

If you're stifling debate, you're stifling science. You are anti-science if you are anti-debating about science, or at least the data. It's very similar to free speech in that same way.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2840.129

Well, as soon as you're censoring people like Jay Bhattacharya and Peter McCullough and Robert Malone, as soon as you're doing that, these people are rock-solid, credentialed physicians. Peter McCullough has the most scientific papers published in his field in human history. Like, this is a legitimate scientist slash doctor, and he's telling you. He's telling you.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2871.587

He's using the actual methods that you're telling people, trust the science. He's actually doing it, and he's got a whole list of credentials to his name. He's a very accomplished person in this field, and yet they're censoring him because what he was saying was going against narratives. Of course. So you're stifling debate, which everyone knows is the wrong way to do it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

2894.124

Even if he's wrong, the correct thing to do is to get him publicly to talk to someone who is right and have the world see how this person who is right is going to correct him on the errors of his analysis. And then we all learn. But instead, what do they do? They try to get them booted off of social media, which is very sketchy behavior. We don't like that. Well, it's what Francis Collins said.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Martin Koldoff.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Right. It's sort of like every other institution where people want to get ahead. You have to play the rules. Yeah. You have to play the game by the rules that's established by the people that are controlling the game. It's conformism. It's just bizarre when that happens with science and mathematics and with all these different things that we thought of as these... Hard sciences.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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It's information-based, data-based.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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They ended up making – and it's an incredible story because – Do you know the other theory of why there's so many peanut allergies and so many allergies in general? No. I don't know if this is true. Obviously, I'm not an expert in any of these things that I'm talking about. But the theory is that when you're vaccinating children and you're using aluminum –

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3100.884

So you have the inert virus, you have the dead virus, and you have this agitator, this thing that causes people to have this reaction. And then they find the inert virus, they develop antibodies for it. That's how vaccines work. But that aluminum causes... severe allergic reactions and can cause you to become allergic to various things, including peanuts.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3122.741

I'm butchering this for sure, but Brett Weinstein has made this argument, and he believes that's possibly why he has a severe wheat allergy.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3141.673

Do they have the same vaccination schedule? I don't know. I don't have to check. They were very vaccinated for COVID. I mean, it was an interesting way. Israelis were. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I believe they mandated it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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That was obviously after those hearings. It was after those hearings.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

321.438

Yeah. Has there been any debate or discussion? Like, has anybody tried to hold them to the fire as to why these people are being banned? And please prove that this is misinformation. Has there been any sort of discussion?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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You don't want to miss out on tenure.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Right.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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You sound like anti-science to me. If that's what it is, sign me up.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3425.973

The crazy thing is it seems to be an emergent behavior pattern. When people get into power, when people have power, they always go in this very particular direction of control. And this was what the founding fathers of the Constitution, the people that founded this country, when they were laying it out, they were trying to prevent that from taking place.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3446.087

And they had this very elaborate plan to sort of subvert normal human behavior, to stop it from taking place. root in this country and to make this a better experiment in self-government than what they'd experienced under dictatorships. And people always want to get it back to where they're comfortable, which is being a dictator.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

347.549

I always heard that he was a great guy when Jair Bolsonaro was the president. The narrative was Bolsonaro was a dictator, that he was a bad guy. But I know so many Brazilians from jujitsu. I know so many Brazilians and they all love Bolsonaro. I was like, I am so confused about their politics over there. I don't know what's going on. But Lula was supposed to be this guy that was for the people.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3499.584

Can you imagine what they're doing now? We see some of it. Well, the guy who tried to shoot Trump, the guy they shot on the roof, what was the deal with that?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3518.338

His apartment was professionally scrubbed.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Yeah, his home was professionally scrubbed. They didn't even find silverware in it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3533.702

Well, he sounds like a full on loon, you know, and I think when you're if I was an intelligence agent and I was trying to do this kind of stuff, I would find people already out of their fucking minds. Right. I'd reach out to them.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3552.114

Well, it seems to be a very valuable asset. That's what Lee Harvey Oswald was. He was a fucking loon. And they probably recruited him and knew all along that he was the guy they were going to pin it on. Right. And this kid is probably a very similar case, the kid that shot Trump. And when you find out that this kid was in a Blackwater commercial just two years before, like, what?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3576.61

Like, who's he in contact with? Like, what? Was it Blackwater or Black Rock? Oh, Black Rock. Sorry. Black Rock. Yeah. Just protecting you from any future lawsuits. I always fuck those two up. It's a Black Rock commercial. I've said it right and wrong both times, like, many times.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3598.753

It was rough. Like some of it is leaked and I guess it was probably people trying to discourage hate against trans people. But the reality is the majority of the last few school shooters have been trans. This is also something that's conveniently left out of the discussion. And that's not even the real problem. It's not like trans people are violent. The real problem is psychiatric drugs.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3622.243

And that's the thing that no one wants to make a connection with. How many of these mass shooters are on psychiatric drugs? And the answer is the majority of them.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Right.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Really? Huge. That's hilarious.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3677.802

Well, and then unfortunately, there was a bunch of conspiracy theories that he was his lover and he was in the house. And if you see the guy while he's talking to the cops and holding the hammer and Paul Pelosi is trying to hold on to the hammer, the whole thing is mad. Like, why is Paul Pelosi still have a drink in his hand?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

369.721

And to hear that he is a part of this whole disinformation crackdown, alleged disinformation crackdown, is so disheartening.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3692.348

Like, dude, you're in a mortal struggle with a man who has a fucking hammer in his hand and you're holding the hammer with one hand because you want to keep your drink. I couldn't figure out why the cops didn't just go grab the hammer in that moment. They sat there and waited. I don't think they knew exactly what was going on. It was very weird looking. It was very strange.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3708.738

It didn't seem like Paul Pelosi was – he wasn't screaming or in danger. He seemed very calm. He was probably trying to slow this guy down and relax him and calm him down while the cops were arriving. And just didn't ever feel like he was going to get hit in the head with a hammer, which is what wound up happening. The video is so disturbing.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3727.628

But if you look at the man in the video, he's clearly out of his fucking mind. Right. You know, there's something wrong with that guy. Like, you could tell right away. Like, here it is.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3743.732

Why is Paul holding on to his drink while this guy's got a fucking hammer in his hand?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3748.732

The guy's got two hands on it and you've got one.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3757.895

Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's so horrible. That video is so horrible when you hear him snoring. And also, he's an 80-year-old man, okay? For an 80-year-old man to get knocked unconscious in the head with a hammer like that, he's not going to ever be the same again. Yeah. That's bad for a 20-year-old person to get hit in the head with a hammer. It's awful.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3776.481

For an old guy like that to get KO'd like that with a fucking hammer where he's snoring in the car.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3800.748

He was clearly mentally ill. Yeah. But clearly mentally ill, by the way. people, they will adopt whatever ideology is the most persuasive. They're not objectively thinking about things. He's out of his fucking mind. Well, we don't blame John Hinckley Jr.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3826.066

That's why. It's on her. Yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3829.629

He's a crazy person.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3854.689

Well, it's also – it's very difficult to get people to seek treatment. Yeah. And then also the treatment, especially in terms of things like SSRIs. They have to try a bunch of things on you. It's not as simple. Everybody has a different level of mental illness, right?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3868.624

And so there's also different causes of this mental illness, and there's different medications that work, and they don't really know until they try it on you. And then we find out now that the entire theory that it's based on, which is that there is some sort of chemical imbalance, is incorrect. It's not true. So then, okay, we have to take this holistic approach

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3890.522

view of the body and the mind and the health of the individual based on lifestyle and choices and community and friends and all these different things that we don't want to take into consideration instead they're just giving people pills and they give people pills and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and sometimes it causes a dissociation effect these the dissociatives these weird drugs that people take where they don't even exactly know what the fuck they're doing while they're doing it and

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3956.123

Yeah. Yeah. And it's probably they already have a propensity for it. Right. The thought is that. I forget what percentage of the population. I think it's 1% as a tendency towards schizophrenia or will eventually become schizophrenic. And then you take that 1%. That's a lot of people, man. Oh, for sure. One out of 100.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

3971.154

You take one out of 100, you give them a giant dose of edible marijuana and they're gone.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

398.477

What was your take on him?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4014.252

Was this after the sweeping psychedelics acts of 1970 when it made everything schedule one?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4023.291

So even in 67, they were doing Speed?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4026.692

So it was just something.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4033.314

The Beatniks. Oh, Beatniks.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4038.315

Right. That's probably part of it, too, right? I mean, it was ubiquitously used during the Nazis. The Nazis used it. During World War II. So Speed was around for a long time. The problem with Speed is it works. It really works. People take it. I've never fucked around with any of it. But the people that I know that have tried Adderall, they tell you, you feel like you could do anything.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4057.887

And you get things done. And that's attractive to everybody, whether you're a hippie or a capitalist or anybody. You just want to feel more empowered. Until you don't. Until you don't. Yeah. Especially when it stops working well and you keep taking more and more of it. And the next thing you know, you're out of your mind. You're losing your teeth. Right.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4090.907

Isn't that the real problem is that we don't develop human beings with a level of self-control and a level of discipline and we don't encourage people discipline. We don't encourage, and I don't mean like disciplining a person, I mean self-discipline.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4104.792

We don't encourage this concept that to be able to force yourself into doing difficult things, you empower yourself and you strengthen your mind and your resolve and your spirit. And if you genuinely gravitate towards positive results, positive results in your social life, positive results in business, positive results in artistic endeavors, you

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4128.303

If you genuinely gravitate towards those things, that is probably going to keep you on the right path in life. And that we should really look at things in that way. There should be guidelines. What are you trying to do with your life? Why do you feel bad? What is wrong with your body? What are you eating? How are you sleeping? What kind of people are you surrounded with?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4150.57

What happened to you when you were a child? Did someone beat you? Did you get sexually molested? What demons are haunting you? And what, in fact, can be done to help you.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4213.392

It's considered right-wing.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4227.402

And if you read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, it's very progressive. Not only is it very progressive, it's very compassionate and kind and considerate. Like one of the things that he talks about is forgiveness. It's a very important quality that he believes that he works on.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4340.791

But it is important sometimes, right? Sometimes in emergencies, but it's a classic thing where it's just over-applied.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4353.738

Right. Right. Because they don't want to also blow out the hoo-ha. Yeah. The reason why I brought up trauma before us, I think that's one of the legitimate uses of psychedelics that I think it's it's pretty provable that there's positive outcomes. particularly MDMA for soldiers. This is what MAPS had been working on.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4376.957

And when you ask people in the service of their country to go overseas and kill people and become a part of a war and get shot at and see their friends die, those people are going to come back with

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4391.118

unimaginable strain on their psyche unimaginable and the one thing universally that these people have sought help with that has helped them it's been psychedelics and it's huge in the special operations community discussions of not just ayahuasca but ibogaine in particular which is uh Absolutely non-addictive.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4413.498

I mean, and apparently, I don't have experience with it, but apparently an unbelievably brutal introspective experience where you see your entire life and it's sort of laid out why your behavior patterns exist and the way they exist.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4425.489

And oftentimes they combine the Ibogaine experience with another psychedelic, whether it's psilocybin or 5-MeO-DMT or there's a bunch of different ones that they try and all of it has to be done. in other countries. A lot of them, it's done in Mexico because it's illegal in the United States. But I have personally talked to people. I had Sean Ryan on the podcast the other day.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4446.128

He had a personal experience of how it changed his life. I know multiple soldiers where it's changed their life. And this is illegal. And this is something that we should be looking at every single tool available to help people. Stoicism, absolutely. But soldiers are the most stoic motherfuckers.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4462.599

Those Navy SEALs, they're the most stoic fucking get shit done people you're ever going to run into in your life. And if they're still struggling, maybe these things are tools. I agree with you that both marijuana and real psychedelics, hard psychedelics like LSD, I think there's certain people that shouldn't do anything.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4482.798

And I think the only way we find that out is we run real studies and do real tests and really try to understand what – Get some real science behind the mechanism behind these things and what is wrong with these people that are freaking out and what is the cause of these psychotic breaks? What is the cause of schizophrenia? Especially when someone doesn't have it and then develops it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4503.196

So there's some biological mechanism. There's something taking place in the body that all the wires get crossed and now this person thinks Satan's talking to them. So what is that?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4514.875

Sure. But not necessarily. Not necessarily with these high-dose drug experiences. If people do acid and then they become schizophrenic, what is that? Some people do acid and they figure out the double helix strand of the DNA, and they have incredible visions, like Francis Crick. Other people, they do it, and they're like, what the fuck? Now they're gone. The guy from Pink Floyd, gone.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4539.792

Everybody knew somebody when I was a kid growing up who did, Too many drugs and never came back. I know multiple people that have had schizophrenic breaks from marijuana.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

456.091

That seems like a bit of a problem.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

4574.815

That's true, but I think it's a tool in the toolbox. And I think to demonize that tool, because some people have a bad effect on it, it's like to demonize all the things that people enjoy that you could consider legal vices, like gambling. I do not think you should outlaw gambling, but I think some people should not fucking gamble. I grew up, well, in my 20s, my early 20s, in a pool hall.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And, you know, I played pool like eight hours a day, played competitively. And I was around a lot of gamblers, a lot of gamblers. And it is a disease like anything. It's a disease like heroin. It's a disease like alcoholism. Like these motherfuckers can't stop. Those people shouldn't gamble. Right. Like they are gambling addicts. And there's some people that should not do marijuana.

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There's some people that should not drink. There's some people that there's a lot of things they shouldn't do. They shouldn't. They don't have whatever it is that allows you to pick up a glass of whiskey, have a drink. And then the next day, boy, I feel like shit. I'm going to the gym. And then you don't drink again for a month.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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There's some people that realize there's certain vices that you can do in moderation and they're fine. A couple glasses of wine at dinner and everyone's laughing and having a great time. There's nothing wrong with that. But there's certainly some people that cannot handle that. And I think we need to give those – if you want a better, stronger society, we need to develop tools for –

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all people to follow that will give you a better life, including people that have issues with alcohol and gambling and sex and fill in the blanks, drugs and whatever it is that you're interested in and that you're addicted to, rather. And I think there's a bunch of tools that can be used If used correctly. Just like I used to say, you could take a hammer. You could build a house with a hammer.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Or you could hit yourself in the face if you're fucking crazy. Hit Paul Pelosi. Or hit Paul Pelosi. It doesn't mean that we should get rid of hammers. It's like some people have used psychedelic drugs and had incredible insight and it's completely changed their lives and now they're better for it. And then there's some people that we can point to that lost their way and they're gone now.

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It's so crazy.

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And we might not ever get back. I mean Howard Stern talked about it famously. He took acid and he was – really fucked up for a long period of time where he really thought he was going crazy. And I think in that case, it's very dangerous. There's also, there's a dosing thing.

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When you're taking something that's made in some fucking hippie's bathtub while he's listening to the Grateful Dead, what are the odds that you know exactly what the dose is? What are the odds that this is pure? Especially if you're doing a drug today.

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Because if you're doing a drug today, you're rolling the dice on whether or not you're going to die of a fentanyl overdose, even if you're taking something that you would think would be completely benign. Like cocaine.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Oh, cocaine is a big one. That's a big one. But there's other stuff that people are taking, like molly. They're taking molly, and it's not really molly. It's laced with fentanyl, and they die. They're taking – There's street drugs like anti-anxiety medication that are forged drugs that are actually laced with fentanyl, and they're dying from that kind of stuff.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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There's people that maybe they developed an addiction to benzos, and then their doctor says, look, I'm cutting you off, and then they fucking find it on the streets, and they die from fentanyl overdoses. I think there's tools that could be used. I think this panacea, this idea that it's a one shop fits all, you go do ayahuasca and now you're a better person, I don't believe that.

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Really?

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Do you think he's Justin Trudeau's dad?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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I think there's a lot of work to be done. I think there's a lot of work to be done and I think there's a process as we are growing as human beings. You start off as a child where you don't get to pick your parents and they bring with them a bunch of baggage because they were raised by people in the 1940s and they didn't know what the fuck they were doing.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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and they were raised by people who literally came over on boats from europe to escape tyranny and chaos and they came over to america to the most desperate wage work you could possibly get dock workers steel workers factory workers they would do anything they were desperate they would take any jobs they would work on you know railroads and whatever the they could because they just wanted to be able to eat right and they raised your grandparents

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Have you seen the photographs? It's crazy. It is crazy. It really is crazy. It's, I mean. But he kind of looks like his dad too. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Call of Duty. You know, when a new Call of Duty drops, everyone's trying to find a way to squeeze in those extra hours of gameplay. I get it. Life is busy. But sometimes, you just need it.

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And then your grandparents raised your parents. And then you're here going, OK, what are we doing? And there's some tools. Stoicism is a great tool. It's a great tool. Discipline is a great tool. I think we are blessed in this time that you can hear a lot of speeches from brilliant people. There's a lot of great, brilliant people that have talked about religion.

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various ways that they've overcome their problems on YouTube and on podcasts. And you can learn a lot. And some of them use different tools. Some of them use the tools of meditation and yoga. Some of them use the tools of fasting. And some of them use stoicism. Some of them use martial arts. Some of them used... There's a lot of different things that people do to make themselves a better person.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And I think... to discount one like psychedelics because there's a bunch of people that abuse it and get fucked up from it. I think it's foolish because the profound effects that these things have should not be minimalized. They shouldn't be dismissed because they're illegal.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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They shouldn't be dismissed because of ignorance and they certainly shouldn't be dismissed by people who have not experienced them and have not had those profound changes that take place in their perspective on life because there's a lot of people A lot. And I think it's probably been going on through the course of human history.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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It's probably what caused us to consider democracy in the first place. Have you ever read the Brian Murrow Rescue book, The Immortality Key? No, I haven't actually. I haven't read it. That's what it's all about. It's all about the Illicinian mysteries and what these people would do. They were taking drug-laced wines. And they were coming up with concepts of democracy.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And they were trying to figure out society in a more equitable and even a peaceful way. And the philosophies that they were coming up with, to this day, people read their stuff and it's profound. And these people were all doing drugs.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But the thing about potency limits, it's they don't have a dose limit. Right. So even if it's potency. So let's say like let's get crazy and say 39 percent because that 39 percent is like high THC. Apparently we looked it up the other day. If like crazy THC that really fucks people up can get as high as 39%. They don't even go that high there. Dutch government goes to 15%.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Okay, so here's my point. Three hits versus one. Okay, so if you have 30% THC and you take one hit, oh my God, I'm so high. If you have 15% THC, you take two hits. But if you're a crazy person and you take 30 bong hits of 15% THC, you're going to get fucked up. You're going to get fucked up no matter what. No one's controlling the amount of pot that you smoke. Snoop Dogg smokes pot all day long.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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When you hang out with that dude, that dude sat there, he rolled like eight blunts in the course of a three-hour conversation. He just kept rolling blunts. He had a... a disco machine, the guy's awesome.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But I mean, whatever tolerance he has is preposterous and it's not that guy who, you know, he's in grad school and he does some bong hits with his friends and has a schizophrenic break and thinks that the government has put a recording apparatus in his pencils. You know, people lose their fucking way and it's not everybody.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And I think we have to figure out like what is causing it, not eliminate it for the vast majority of people who don't have that effect. Well, we're just really bad at it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Right. But isn't that because it's always been legal? And I think this is the problem with the United States and our demonizing of certain drugs. Like, we celebrate certain drugs. Look, I own a bar. You know, I'm not opposed to alcohol. But alcohol is one of the most destructive drugs that we have available. But yet, used socially responsible, it makes conversations more lively.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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It's a social lubricant. Everybody has a great time. As long as you do it moderately or the right way. But it has consequences. We don't do moderate in the United States. But the thing is, some people can moderately drink. We all agree to that.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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I drink, you know, a couple times a week.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Constraining how? Because isn't this like constraining free speech? If you're a grown adult and you want to drink yourself to death. So if you go over a man's house and he has a wine cellar, should he be arrested? No. Why does he have so much wine? What are you doing with all that wine? If you drank all that wine, you could kill everybody in the neighborhood.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But that's only hard liquor. Hard liquor. I don't know. Yes, you can go to a supermarket and buy beer and wine.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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How old are you? 53. I'm 57. When I was a kid, they changed the age from 18 to 21 before I hit 18. I was like, fuck. Yeah. But it didn't stop you from drinking. Maybe that was local. Is that local? Is that Massachusetts only? No, it didn't stop me from drinking. Come on. Every kid gets together in parties and they all figure out a way to drink.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But my point is if alcohol – if prohibition had succeeded in the 1920s and we had illegal alcohol in the United States, no one would know how to drink. No one. It would be just – and you would never know what the fuck is in the drinking. You would be still buying drinks. People would still buy drinks. There would be jails filled with people who sold and bought alcohol.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And there would be a bunch of people that died because they got poisoned drinking, because they got drugs – they got their alcohol from the cartel. But so, Joe, how far do you go then? I mean do you sell meth and fentanyl at 7-Eleven? But this is where it gets to be a really interesting question, right? Because why not?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Like you shouldn't buy it, but why should it be that only criminals sell it if we absolutely know that there's a market for it? Should we allow people – if you listen to Dr. Carl Hart, who to me is the most brilliant person that I've ever met that does heroin all the time. I don't know if he does it all the time, but he says it's wonderful. He's done it before.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And you also have to take into account that he was a straight-laced clinician. He was not a drug user. He was a guy that was studying the effects of these things and realized that there's a bunch of gaslighting as to what their actual effects of the pure versions of these things are. And that this concept that they are unbelievably addictive and you can't stop yourself, he thinks is false.

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He's smarter and more educated about that subject than I am.

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But can you see that the same concept can be used to the same narrative can be used to control free speech?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But couldn't you see how you could say the problem in our society is that a bunch of people are saying things that are incorrect and the only way to stop that is to censor them. The problem in society is that some people are drinking too much. The way to stop that is to moderate their drinking and control them.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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The problem with people that are addicted to drugs is we need to make drugs illegal so no one can become addicted to drugs. But it doesn't work that way because humans don't work that way, and humans don't like other humans telling them what to do.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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If it was just you, me, and Jamie on an island, and I decide that coconuts are illegal, and I'm going to put you in a cage that I created out of bamboo if you drink coconut milk because I think coconut's bad for you, and everybody else is saying, I fucking love coconut. This guy's an asshole. Well, that doesn't make any sense, right?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Because I'm a grown adult, and I'm telling another grown adult to stop doing something. That's how I feel about almost everything that doesn't hurt other people.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Right, but most of them are opioid overdoses. Yeah, 75,000 are fatal. Opioid overdoses accidentally. Yeah, because drugs are illegal.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Right. But because those drugs, look, it all started with the Sackler family, right? It all started with oxycodone and all that stuff. But the reality is that there's a bunch of people that are addicted to these drugs. And the way they're getting them is by getting drugs that are tainted with fentanyl. And that's a primary cause for the people that are overdosing.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Did you say like 70 plus percent? 75. 75% is fentanyl. So that's because of the illegal drug market. Listen, it is. Because if just those opiates, pure opiates, were available, you could make an argument that those 75% would still be alive if they died from fentanyl overdose.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But there's a reason why they specify fentanyl because it's so much more deadly than the pills.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Well, they also don't have an opioid crisis because they didn't prescribe it the way we did.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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The solution is not to make it more available. But it wasn't available under – it was available under false pretenses. First of all, they lied about it being addictive. Of course. And there's a lot of documentation of this. Not only did they lie, they testified about it. So they knew it was addictive.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And then there was also never an opioid that was prescribed as an everyday thing because pain is something that you shouldn't have to live with.

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100%.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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This is part of the problem that we have in this country. And we accept all sorts of socialized things like the fire department. That's basically a socialist idea. We're all going to contribute. It's all equal. The fire people work for everybody and they put out fires because we all need firemen. And sort of with public schools, very similar.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But when it comes to medicine, we're very wary about that. But the problem is then people profit off of how much they can sell you. And when you have some monsters like the Sackler family and what the fuck they did, that's how you create this opioid crisis. Let's imagine that wasn't the case. So let's imagine this sweeping act in 1970 does not take place.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And all of these psychedelics, whether it's psilocybin, including marijuana, which is made illegal because of prohibition. Prohibition went off and then they started, you know, they went after marijuana. That was a new thing. William Randolph Hearst and Harry Anslinger. It's a long story, but it was really more about hemp as a commodity than it was actually about the drug.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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That's why they even called it marijuana. Marijuana was a slang name for a wild Mexican tobacco. Didn't have anything to do with cannabis. So when they passed that, they made everything illegal, all these things illegal. And so then when the government comes along and takes this incredibly dangerous and addictive substance like oxycodone and says, let's say you guys want to sell it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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We'll make sure the guys that are deciding whether or not you could sell it get a cushy job in the pharmaceutical drug companies afterwards. We'll hook you up if you hook us up. And then that's what created the opioid crisis, not opioids being illegal. Right. Or not being legal, rather. Not being available.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But they became under a lie.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But if it was just heroin. If it was just heroin. No one was doing heroin when I was a kid.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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No. But now everyone knows someone who knows someone who's died of oxycodone or oxycontin. Yeah. Or at least is addicted to it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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That's the problem. And when you decide society, but when you decide, well, certainly for people of a certain age, we all agree to that. Like you shouldn't be able to do that when you're, you know, 16 years old. It's crazy. But if you're a 35 year old man, who's to tell you that you shouldn't be able to try heroin?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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I don't think that's the argument. For me, that's not a good calculation. No, I don't think that's the argument.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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I don't think that's the argument.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Well, first of all, we've already established that 75% of those people are dying because it's illegal. Because it's, no. Because it's fentanyl.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Right, but they're not taking heroin. If they think they're taking heroin and they're getting fentanyl, they're getting poison because it's illegal.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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So oxycodone for sure kills people. Let's be clear about that. I'm not saying it's harmless. But it's not heroin. It's different, right? The curve goes up when they start prescribing it. The curve goes up when they start giving people prescription pills and telling them they need it after an accident. If you just had heroin...

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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available do you think without recommendation people would gravitate towards heroin people generally learn this is one of the reasons why you learn from other people's failures like there's not a lot of people that are crack advocates because crack didn't really work out good for fucking anybody yeah but no one's out there telling people to take crack but if the government came out with some sort of or not the government a pharmaceutical drug company came around and the fda approved it and it was some sort of a medication that gave you the exact same effects as crack

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But they told you this is a great drug for people to overcome timidity. Timidity is a real problem in our culture. We're going to compete with China. They would pathologize timidity for sure. Yeah, I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. Like you could do that because that's essentially what they did with pain. And that's how they snuck in heroin. But it wasn't heroin. It was synthetic.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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But using that synthetic heroin and using it so ubiquitously and prescribing it is what caused that epidemic. You trick people into getting addicted. By telling people it wasn't addictive and then telling people they need it because of pain. And then, of course, your whole body's in agony because it's addicted to this stuff.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And when you get off of it or you try to get off of it, you're in terrible, terrible pain. So the key is just stay on it. That's the trick.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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So if we didn't have that happen, and in 1970 they didn't pass this act that told people that things like Ibogaine that cure people of addictions, actually we rewire the mind in some substantial way that stops all those addictive pathways and stops people from wanting to engage in these self-destructive behaviors because it makes you so aware of why you're doing it in the first place.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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We made all of those illegal at the same time.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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If that hadn't been done, we would have a much greater – if they hadn't been done and if all of these compounds had been pursued under the name of real science and we actually studied them openly and you had the brightest and most brilliant minds running tests and studies and trying to figure out what's going on and what's good and what's not good and what's the right way to take it and what's the wrong way to take it, you wouldn't have the influence of the cartel because you wouldn't have this insane –

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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I mean, who knows what the actual numbers are, but it's hundreds of billions of dollars that are being earned south of our border by these ruthless murderous gangs who control the drug trade because it's illegal in the country that has the most demand for it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Yeah. They fucked everybody because they got them addicted. Then they pulled the rug out from under them. Yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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That's part of the issue. Yeah. But the issue is a little bit deeper. My friend John Norris wrote a book about this. It's called Hidden War. And what happened was he was a game warden. So he was a guy that would check fishing licenses and stuff like that. In California. In California. Yeah. And they found out that cartels were growing in national forests.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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So because they made marijuana legal, growing it illegally was just a misdemeanor. So because of that, 90% of all the marijuana that's grown to all the places where it's illegal, all the states that it's illegal, comes out of California. And it is made by the cartel. So it's the same sort of a situation. Even though it's legal in California.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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There's an illegal market and this is the safest place to grow it because it's just become a misdemeanor. And we are also a very unique country and we have these wide swaths of land that are public that people could just go out on and just go for a walk in the woods. There's no restriction, it's ours, it's yours.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And so they go out there and they set up shop and they use unbelievably toxic poison pesticides and herbicides. And that shit gets in your illegal marijuana. It's the same thing. It's because it's illegal that is causing all the violence. It's not necessarily because it's being taxed and because there's a black market. The black market is because it's illegal in other states.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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It's not because people don't want to pay taxes on weed. Weed is so cheap. Not the legal weed. Yes, it is. It's so cheap. It's so cheap.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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For sure, but it's still so cheap. In terms of the efficacy, think about how much it costs to go drinking. You go to a bar with your friends. At the end of the night, you're buying rounds for people. It's hundreds of dollars. Hundreds of dollars of weed will put you on Pluto. You will be on fucking Pluto. Yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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If you go to one of those places in LA that has like a store where they're just like an Apple store, you go in and buy weed. For five bucks, you could be fucked up for a week. Oh, no. I get it. Compared to alcohol. It's cheap. It's cheap in terms of its effect. Even if you're paying 39% taxes, which I think they were doing in Colorado, which is the first state to make it legally, like fine.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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It's still cheap. Yeah. It's not that expensive. I don't think it's driving the black market to undercut people. I think that's bullshit.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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I think what's going on is the black market exists because it's illegal in other states, and you develop these enormous criminal organizations, and they infiltrate legal stores in California, and they do a lot of shady shit in California too, but they exist because it's illegal.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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So it's been what did the Twitter fires. I know about the Twitter files America. I don't know about the Twitter files in Brazil.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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There would be, but it won't be a powerful... unit like the cartel in Mexico. The cartel in Mexico is like a government. It's like an enormous, terrifying government of people that are profiting off of drugs because drugs are illegal in the United States. If everything was legal here and you could grow it yourself, I'm with you on marijuana, not cocaine, not heroin, not fentanyl.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Let's just start off with marijuana. If marijuana was legal in this country and you could grow it yourself, it's so cheap to grow. It's literally a weed. It grows like it's easy. It wouldn't be hard for people like a guy on the block grows it and sells it. And if it was just legal to do that instead of the government getting involved, then you'd have no black market drugs.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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It should just be a plant like a fucking tomato where you could grow tomatoes and sell tomatoes and you can go to the farmer's market. Look at my tomatoes. It should be like that.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Texas, it's illegal, but it's decriminalized in the city of Austin. And then the Attorney General Ken Paxton apparently doesn't like that and he wants that to stop. I think most of the people that want marijuana to be legal don't necessarily use it and don't necessarily really understand what it does. And there's this idea that it makes you lazy, which is my favorite.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Like I know some of the most motivated people ever and they smoke weed all the time. I think it makes you more compassionate. I think it makes you more creative. more considerate. It makes you think about things in a different light. Carl Sagan was a famous cannabis user.

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Yeah. And I think it would be smart for parents to explain to kids that there are some drugs that are really fucking dangerous. And don't just say all drugs are bad. Just let them know. And if you have a history of mental illness in your family, which many people do, mental illness seems to be something that's inherited, that some people have a tendency towards certain mental states.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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There's a lot of arguments about that. I'm not the one to say yes or no, but maybe you should not do these things if your family has a tendency towards schizophrenia, if you've had your own mental struggles, if you've had moments where – I know people that have had schizophrenic breaks or they've come back.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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I have a couple of friends that had real problems and now they're normal again and not with medication. They just sorted it out and they figured it out. Oh, for sure. And they came back.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6284.223

How many people do we sacrifice every year because of alcohol? How many people do we sacrifice every year because of sugar? Do you know that heart disease is one of the biggest killers of human beings in this country? And how much heart disease is preventable because of lifestyle and diet? A large percentage. So should we say, why is cake legal? Because you can handle cake, Michael?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6302.333

That doesn't make any sense. Michael, we've lost 5 million people this year because of cake. And you're saying that cake should be legal because you like cake? That's crazy. So you can get all fucked up on cake? These poor little diabetic kids? You don't care about these diabetic kids?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6321.005

That's my point, is that freedom is the most important thing.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6325.169

So you're going to want to sell fentanyl? Fentanyl is essentially poison. Fentanyl, the LD50 of fentanyl is so small, you can barely see it. You know that, right? Have you ever seen what a lethal dose of fentanyl looks like in comparison to a penny?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6340.062

Unbelievably terrifying. Yeah. So that is a poison. And that is something that was invented to try to make a more potent opiate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6357.09

Fentanyl is a miracle. But it's an opioid, right? Oh, yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6365.473

Sure, but why wouldn't morphine work? Why wouldn't something like that work?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6411.818

It's the same thing, but it's crime. What you're talking about is crime. So you're talking about preventing crime, right? Because that's all it is. It's illegal to do what you're saying those people are doing.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

642.763

From their size to their personality to their health, every dog is unique. Plus, precise portions can help keep your dog at an ideal weight, which is one of the proven predictors of a long life. Look, no one, dog or human, should be eating highly processed foods for every meal. It doesn't matter how old your dog is. It's always a great time to start investing in their health and happiness.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6422.872

Right, but it's illegal to do that with morphine. There's laws already that prevent you from doing that if you want to follow the law. So it's people that are willing to break the law and do this if there's a reasonable law that gets put forth in terms of age of use, age of discretion. And honestly, I mean, no one's going to buy it, but it probably should be 25, especially for males.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6443.989

That's when the frontal lobe fully forms. Your decision-making is all fucked up. And if you're hitting the bong every day while your brain is forming and this frontal lobe is under development – Of course, it's going to have an effect on it. It's going to have an effect on if you're on Prozac. It's going to have an effect on if you're drinking every day.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6463.26

There's a lot of substances in this country that can do you wrong. And food is one of them. And I don't think that we should be telling people what they can and can't do. I think we should be explaining what you should and shouldn't do. And I think that's the best way to handle this.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6492.577

Well, it's a revealing of the actual statistics and the fact that it does cause cancer and that it is addictive. All things that they tried to fight against. It was really money that kept it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6502.984

There wasn't a giant problem like this back in the 1800s.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6531.276

It is a nuanced problem, but I think we have to be very careful about limiting people's freedom. And I think there's a bunch of choices that people make that are very bad that you should be able to make. I don't think you should make them. I don't think you should bet your fucking house on a roulette roll. But you can do that. Yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6553.681

Yeah. Oh, my God. Canada is fucking insane.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6583.932

She benefits from it, which is nuts. It's nuts to have people benefit financially from people deciding to kill themselves. They're telling people that have long COVID. Right. Oh, you got PTSD? Oh, come on in. I mean, what are the numbers of people that they helped kill themselves last year are fucking terrifying. I think it's like 13,000 people.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6653.003

But they have a giant problem with Moroccan crime gangs and drug sales and gun sales.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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So try the farmer's dog today. You can get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food at thefarmersdog.com slash rogan. Plus, you get free shipping. Just go to thefarmersdog.com slash rogan. Tap the banner or visit this episode's page to learn more. Offer applicable for new customers only. Maybe.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Compared to San Francisco and Oakland? I don't know. I'm not the guy. But my friend who was from Holland told me it's a giant. Holland has a giant history of kickboxing. Some of the greatest kickboxers of all time came from Holland. Not surprised. The legends. It's an amazing country. Amazing country. And they're tall, right? Yeah. Well, some of them, the best one ever was small.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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A guy named Ramon Deckers. But he was so ferocious. He went over to Thailand and fucked everybody up. And he became a legend. It's a crazy country in that regard. It's not a very big country, but the people are very big and robust and they're like manly men.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6723.094

Just like you would expect. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what the solution to all of these things that are very complex. And I see your perspective. I really do. But I think, unfortunately, you could apply that perspective to almost everything that people do that's dangerous and tell people they can't make these choices anymore because we're going to lose people.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6743.705

And I think you really want to be honest about that one. The biggest one is food. And no one wants to tell people you can't eat cookies. But the reality is that will fucking kill you. And, you know, what should we do about that? What should we do? Should we educate people and tell people about the benefits of healthy diets and exercise? Yes. Yes. I think we should do that with all the above.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6766.424

I think we should do that with all the above. Yeah, I think we should do that with marijuana. I think we should do that with psilocybin. I think we should also take into account the people like these veterans like Sean Ryan that I was telling you that have had these experiences from psychedelics that have changed their life in a huge way.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6781.358

And for these people that sort of dismiss that and poo poo that and say, oh, Carl Hart just wants to get fucked up. I don't think that's really fair. And I think you have to apply the same ideas of freedom where we have it with speech to especially behavior like drug use where it's not affecting anyone but yourself. And we already have laws that you're not allowed to drive intoxicated.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6804.548

And if someone does something and commits a crime while they're intoxicated, that's also illegal. We have laws that prevent bad behavior. And those laws, it's already criminalized. So I think the real problem is not these things. The real problem is like all things that people get to try out. There's a lot of people that are going to fuck up with everything.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6847.646

Yeah, I don't think you could shuck off the tradeoffs, just like you can't shuck off the alcohol deaths. I think there's something like 90,000 people every year die from alcohol or alcohol-related accidents.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6864.235

It's over.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6865.417

Yeah. People that are dying. You can have a couple of drinks and you're definitely not going to die. Most likely. Yeah. But I think what Carl Hart is kind of saying from his own perspective is that he had a very different opinion of what they did and the dangers of them before he started researching them.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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And then once he became a clinical researcher, then he realized, like, oh, this is not – and then he started experimenting with them.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

690.358

The Roman and Pharaoh, Frank Sinatra one is just insane. Yeah. That is not Woody Allen's kid. No. Like, no ifs, ands, or buts. That one's more dramatic than the Trudeau one. That one's crazy. I mean, that looks like Frank Sinatra. What are the odds? Unless, like, she loves Sinatra so much, she, like, willed him into existence in her own childhood.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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Yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

6952.958

So they have something to lose. If you're a doctor, that's a very difficult process to become a doctor. Almost every doctor you meet is an exceptional person in some way.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7081.111

Yeah, we've had this conversation a bunch of times about, do you just pull the bandaid off and allow that to take place? And so if you don't, you keep empowering the cartel. So your vision is to keep pumping money, billions and billions of dollars every year into the cartel. There's no other way. You're not going to stop. There's no magic wand that you have that's going to stop addiction.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7101.044

There's no magic wand that you're going to have that's going to stop the market for illegal drugs in the United States.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7105.807

I think we can reduce it significantly. How? You tell me how.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7150.086

You think they're going to vote for that? Yeah, it's way ahead. Yeah, it's over well over 50 percent. That would be nice if they make stealing illegal again. Exactly.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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giving them money, giving them food. All I have to do is sleep in that tent. Okay, fine. People just shitting on the streets. No one's cleaning it up. And when Xi Jinping came to town, everything was hosed down. Everybody was moved out. They put fences up where people couldn't camp there anymore. It was wild. So bad.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7204.925

And Gavin Newsom's response that when your friends come over, you clean your house up. Like, well, just clean your house, you fucking psycho. What are you, a hoarder? Like San Francisco is like a hoarder's house, but way worse. It's like the idea behind it of it being compassionate is like there should have been a course correction when you realize the results of that.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7224.141

Like there's nothing compassionate about letting people shoot up in the streets and have your whole block filled with needles and human poop. And the whole thing's nonsense. Like this is not good for anybody. It's bad for the health of the people that are doing it and certainly the health of the people that are encountering it. He's he's he's opposed to this ballot initiative.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7264.718

I'm sure you've seen the list of the people that work on the homeless in California and the salaries they get. Oh, yeah, of course.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7288.683

And there's very few countries that have figured a way out of that once that already takes place.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7315.57

I think that's the one that people don't want to say, especially people that fancy themselves intelligent. I think a big part of our problem is we have lost... all sense of religious virtue and values as a culture. And we've rejected them under the guise of you being too intelligent for religion.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7333.934

And the results of that is like if you, just look at the results in terms of the way people feel about life. If you really do believe in God, you will feel about life like that it is a gift and is a miracle and you will live a more righteous and just life. It will benefit you, it actually will.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7352.063

And I don't know if it's true, but I know that if you believe it's true, and Jordan talks about this, he won't say whether or not he believes in God, but if you act as if God is real, you'll have a much better life. And that's a fact. And people know that.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7365.635

They know when you meet a really good Christian person who does charitable things and is a wonderful, lovely person who actually lives by the Bible, not a hypocrite, you're like, wow. Wow. What a cool guy. I really love that guy. He's awesome. Because it's a great value. It's a great virtuous way to live your life. And we've rejected that because we're too smart for it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7385.235

And in the absence, in the void of this thing that I think we all need, you fill it. With this new religion, whether it's wokeism or whatever it is, fill in the blank, the climate, whatever it is, you find a thing. I think that happened during COVID. I think it became a religion for a lot of people.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

751.801

What do you think changed?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7511.301

Right.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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tells me to do well especially when you're the literal translations right when people literally translate ancient religious texts things get weird you know you're you're dealing with a story told down by oral tradition for a thousand years somebody writes it on animal skins they eventually you know it's too it gets weird oh yeah it's weird so but to dismiss all the ideas behind it i think it's foolish

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7691.231

Well, the fear is once you tell the person that it's not their fault, that their whole life is because somebody else did them wrong. Absolutely. Or that there's some injustice in the system, some systematic oppression that's keeping them from succeeding. But the reality also is that some people are born in terrible circumstances. Yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7708.461

And then there's no beginning, finish – there's no starting line that's the same.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7744.466

And the crazy thing is up until about 2012, that's what we thought. I blame Obama. People that don't – a lot of people do because there's a sort of a political incentive to communicate that way and to promote this idea that it's everybody's fault. And everybody goes, oh. And then you get white guilt involved like it's not my fault. I'm an ally.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7767.808

And then they jump in and next you know people are looking for racism everywhere like racist Columbos. It's weird. It's weird how it shifted because when I was a kid – Racism was bad, period. No one cared. It got to this weird point somewhere around 2012 where it was everywhere in society, and you had to encounter unconscious bias and unconscious racism training in the workplace.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7791.79

So then you get these grifters who their only job is to tell you that everything is racist, and their only job is to berate you and scare you into... You have to give in to whatever their demands are in terms of the numbers of employees that have to be X, Y, or Z, and they develop these very rigid rules that you have to follow. Now, they're in control.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7814.639

No, they're controlling what you're allowed to say, the way you're allowed to discuss things. If someone says anything about a person that is of a particular group, that becomes either homophobic or transphobic or racist or you're not taking into account all these other factors that led that person. It's not equitable. There's all this nonsense talk that's used by grifters. It's a cult.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7839.187

But it didn't exist. This is what people need to understand. That was all dismissed when I was a kid. By 2012, around that time, that was not a thing. In 2001, that was not a thing. There was always racism. There was always people that were saying there was racism in the workplace. And I'm sure it's true because some people suck.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

785.175

Nice.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7860.252

But it wasn't this overall message that society is inherently racist.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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He literally became the president of the United States, the most difficult job to get on earth. It's the greatest American success story you can imagine.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7950.149

Because there have been grotesque uses of police brutality on black people. And we all know it. Sure. The problem is if you say that it's not as big of a problem, we have very specific instances where it was a problem.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7972.202

Right. Sure. But it doesn't mean that it's not still a giant issue if you're a black man and you encounter cops and you're terrified.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

7981.943

That's still a lot of people that died that didn't have to die if the police weren't incompetent or if they weren't racist or if they weren't fucked up on PTSD because a lot of them are.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

80.071

Is it too. Yeah. It's hard to bring it up to you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8004.705

right where you out there demonizing and yeah that's not the correct response no and so the cops pull back and so you get more black deaths i mean you get cops that are terrified to police yeah yeah you get cops that are demonized you get a terrible morale you get a lot of really bad things and then you get a wake-up call a few years later where people are like we need to refund the police and that's what happened in minnesota that's happening in a lot of places where people are up in arms like our communities

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8030.96

are more fucked up now than they've ever been before. This didn't help anybody, and you didn't even fill the void. It's not like you defunded the police but figured out some new strategy that's more effective and implemented that. No. You just created this bizarre environment where you allow people to steal.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8047.992

If you make a law that allows people to steal up to $950 worth of shit, they're just going to steal $950 worth of shit every chance they get, and then you're going to see all these businesses closing down like in San Francisco. Yeah. You know, Chamath was on the podcast recently and he thinks that San Francisco is going to experience a rebirth because of AI.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8066.482

And his perspective is that the super nerds are like more in charge of San Francisco now. And so these sort of mid-level grifters who are into virtue signaling, which is like how you got ahead in a lot of these businesses where you're not really exceptional as a person, but you fit a good quota and you're kind of a DEI hire.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8085.008

Next thing you know, the CEO of a big company and it's nuts and it happens. And he said that's not going to happen anymore because AI is going to essentially revitalize that area because there's going to be so much money. And the people that are going to be running it are going to be the actual geniuses again.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8105.54

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8115.867

Well, they're brilliant people who are finally expressing themselves. And I think that's so huge. And Marc and Chamath and all these folks that are doing that now, it's courageous because if you step out of line with the ideology, with the ideology supports, you get attacked.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8143.41

And Elon.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8144.671

Yeah. I mean, he's left. He's here now, right? Yeah. Well, the biggest pushback ever is he spends $44 billion to purchase Twitter. And then we find out all this stuff that's going on. It's incredible. It's incredible. The fact that the Brazil thing is unresolved, and so the only way it's going to be resolved is if they get rid of those 12 people? Oh, well, yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8164.288

Yeah, let's circle back.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8184.662

Are they giving in to the requirements? Yeah, they gave in right away.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8189.768

Did they ban those people off of Facebook, all those people that you were talking about from Brazil?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

82.972

Good to go.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8302.057

Right.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8332.094

Well, I think they're learning it more now because it's being discussed now because it's under threat. And I think people need to understand the ramifications of giving the government control. they're not truthful. There's no instances where you could look back and say, well, the government never lies about this.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8348.762

There's not one thing, whether it's healthcare, whether it's international relations, whether it's their political opponents, whatever it is, things get distorted. There's lies that get told.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8380.76

But the problem is who gets to decide? And are there ramifications? Let's say if you're one of those people that said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation and you signed off on that. What are the ramifications? What's the result of that? Do people still call on you for suggestions and questions?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8397.925

Like people that were involved in Russiagate with Trump that promoted that idea, how come they still get to talk on CNN? Unbelievable. The whole thing is very bizarre. It's like if you really are against misinformation, you have to stop it everywhere you see it, including from yourself. So if your own organization is a purveyor of misinformation and you're acutely aware of it and you hide it,

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8417.625

and you dismiss it, and you gaslight everybody, and then you say we have to stop misinformation online. Well, what about yourself? How about I start with you? That's what's happening. You have to clean up your own fucking yard before you come to us.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8438.104

But you're actually doing it. What they're doing is pretending. Well, right. Pretending. It's not really misinformation. It's inconvenient information. My favorite one was malinformation. Right. Well, you should explain what that is. Malinformation is information that is true but could be harmful.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8455.63

Which is so nuts. And that was they could apply that to vaccine hesitancy. Right. So you could tell truthful stories about vaccine injuries. They would attribute that to they would put that in the category of this is going to contribute to vaccine hesitancy. So they would put it with a label of malinformation on that one. We could silence that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8592.997

Well, we already had found out that the Steele dossier was bullshit. So it makes sense that that would be bullshit, too. There was a precedent.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8615.829

So that's misinformation. If you say that it's not true, that's misinformation.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8684.316

It's really wild. And we've never had that happen before, which is why it's so scary that nothing happened because of it. There was no repercussions. I mean, people should go to prison for that. Talk to me about aliens. What's going on? You know anything?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8872.516

What is your thought on it? So what do you think they're – so if it's a psyop and – I'm not aware of what the book is and what their premise is. But essentially the premise is that UFOs are bullshit?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

8944.165

So it's essentially doing what Project Blue Book did.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9005.051

I think some of the phenomena should be dismissed. I think that's one thing that we really need to accept when we try to develop an objective sense of what's really going on, that ball lightning is real. Plasma is real. There's a lot of real natural phenomenon. Ball lightning is bizarre.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9024.059

And if you ever see ball lightning and you imagine you're a person alone in the forest and you saw ball lightning, you would 100% shit your pants. You'd be like, oh my God, there's a fucking alien here and they're going to get me and they're going to take me like Travis Walton. I also think there's something going on with the government.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9042.134

I believe that they have, and this is a pure guess based on no evidence at all, I think they probably have some super sophisticated propulsion programs that's based on something that is an entirely new set of physics. It's probably based on some sort of gravity propulsion.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9058.707

There's long been speculation that eventually there'll be an ability to create something that does not rely on conventional propulsion. There's long been some sort of an understanding of manipulation of gravity. In fact, there was an article... Some science journal from like 1957 that was talking about the new wave of gravity devices. They're going to start coming.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9085.72

It's going to be gravity planes and we're not going to use propulsion anymore. People have always wondered if we're eventually going to crack that. And if they did crack that, I think the problem is... I think a lot of these things are drones. And I think the problem is biological life can't survive those speeds.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9104.49

I think those things are moving at these insane rates of speed because there's nothing alive that's piloting them. And so that's why humans can survive. And that's why, you know, no humans can survive that kind of G-force. So there's no one in those things. It's probably alien species that also visit us. I don't think that's outside the realm of possibility either.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9127.447

I think all those things are happening. I think that one has been documented clearly throughout human history. There's been these experiences, and you've got to chalk some of them up to bullshit, lies, hysteria. But there's too many that are too similar. And I'm in the middle of Jacques Vallée's book. Have you read any of his stuff? I've read almost all of it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9149.838

I'm in the middle of – it's called Dimensions.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

915.688

Why do you think it's happening?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9157.503

Apparently. I didn't know that when I picked this one up. But Dimensions is – one of the things that he does in the book is –

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9164.608

he has eyewitness accounts of uh ufo events throughout history like going back into the 1700s right and they're like uniform they're fascinating and he also makes this argument that there's a cultural context as to what people see and that a lot of these people that live in ireland they see you know leprechauns and elves fairies fairies and and that

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9190.874

It's quite possible this is not from another planet, that this is some sort of extra-dimensional experience, that these things come from somewhere that's here but not here, and that this is why they've existed forever, and this is why there's no evidence of them, and they come and go as they please, and they're probably a completely different type of thing than what we are, this bizarre carbon-based life form that we are.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9214.644

They're probably some parallel evolution system that took place somewhere else that's probably gone on a million years past where we are. Or that's just guessing. Who knows what it is? But there's something else to it. There's some sort of a spiritual element to it. It's not as simple as a metal ship comes from another place and lands here.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9234.275

But I also think the metal ship coming from another place might be real too. If you just take into account the sheer vastness of the universe and the unbelievable possibilities of the variety of life, you would think there's got to be intelligent life.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9250.364

And if we do have some sort of super sophisticated drone technology that doesn't rely on conventional propulsion systems, which there's evidence of, okay, if you look at the Go Fast video, if you look at the FLIR video and David Fravor's experiences with the TikTok where they got video of that thing, they got radar of that thing. So we know something can move that way that fast. Something can.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9273.129

you would think that if if that's here and it is real and there's video footage of it so we know that a real phenomena took place so that means someone it either whether it's here or there's someone out where else can figure that out so now we know that can be done So if that could be done today in 2024, and back then it was 2004, which he encountered that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9295.433

Who knows if it's, you know, ours or from another planet or whatever the fuck it is. It was a thing that existed that an intelligent creature had created. It just makes sense that the sky is littered with that. Probably littered. There's probably millions and millions and millions of planets that have intelligent life on them. And a bunch of them probably are capable of interstellar travel.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9318.027

And probably a bunch of them aren't even biological anymore. They're probably some sort of super sophisticated AI that ran amok and took over. A lot of possibilities there. A lot of possibilities, an infinite number of possibilities.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9331.433

But when the government wants to dismiss all of them as being explainable and nonsense, and it's the same people that dismissed the 100-biter laptop story, yeah, you should get nervous. Yeah.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9346.897

Have you ever seen anything?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9349.738

Yeah?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9352.959

What did you see?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9359.051

What did you see?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9471.218

How fast were they moving?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9475.902

Like a balloon.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9497.506

So it was probably like a Mylar balloon or something. with an LED light inside of it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9507.611

But a lot of cloud cover, too.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9511.212

Let me see. All right. Send it to Jamie.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9513.853

We're going to analyze it.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9519.595

Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9524.637

We'll pause. We'll pause real quick. All right.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9570.291

Okay, the term immaculate conception is rarely searched on Google. Of course, searches for it skyrocketed today, and this is because of UAPs? So what did Grush say?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9587.541

Oh, interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9589.502

Interesting. Show more? Of course, searches for it skyrocketed, but there was one other time it was displayed in a large blip, June 2023. Just as modern UAP crash retrieval story broke, David Grush went public and hearings were planned.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9605.209

So they removed that spike. So they pretend it doesn't exist anymore?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9620.293

It is weird that it just jumped up one day and then stopped. But also people have like a fucking very quick news cycle.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9648.763

You ever wonder if maybe they're fucking with you and they find out where you are and they send some drones over to this place, get them to start talking?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9661.992

So, yeah, it's just... Of course. Who knows what it is? But at least it's not behaving like something out of this world. It's not like the Phoenix Lights where you've got something that's a mile long flying over Phoenix and no one can figure out what it is. Right. Yeah. There's enough of these that make me think there's something going on. I don't think it's all bullshit.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9683.565

I think some of it is ours, but I think a bunch of it's probably not ours.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9693.31

Insane.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9715.883

Yeah, very improbable in a couple of years. But if they're doing it over decades, they're doing it with retrieved crashes, which seems to be a part of the narrative. Yeah. You know, Diana Pasolka and Gary Nolan, you're where they were. Of course. They call them the crash sites donations. Yeah. That's very interesting. It gets weird.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9734.615

It gets weird because there's a bunch of inventions they attribute to crashed retrievals where they back-engineered stuff. You know, I would imagine that if I was a super sophisticated society from another planet and I saw these struggling apes, I would give them some hints.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9755.705

You can airdrop them to Jamie's MacBook.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9761.658

See him in there?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9790.069

I just don't know what it is. Anybody who says they do know what it is, I get very suspicious. If they say, I have all the information, I'm like, how could you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9798.873

How could you? How do you absolutely know what it is? This whole thing is real weird. It's real weird. When fighter pilots recognize things that are behaving in a way that they've never seen before, that's real fucking weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9809.358

When you've got these guys like, you know, Grush is the best example, but there was another pilot, there was another jet that was with him, multiple witnesses that saw this thing physically. Whatever these things, Brian Graves, when they see these things, what are these? What's the explanation? It's got to be somebody's if it's a real thing. If it's ours, holy shit. What are they doing?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9833.428

And if it's not ours, holy shit. Is this another nation? And if it's not another nation, then holy shit. Are we getting visited by interdimensional beings or something from another planet? What's your take?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9855.136

It makes you look smarter.

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9858.558

Doesn't it?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9965.536

If they say that they don't have a program like that, then they're lying. If they have a program like that. If they have a program like that. So if they don't have a program like that, should they have to answer you?

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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

9992.18

If I wanted to spread misinformation or disinformation, if I was an intelligence agent, I think I would get someone to be a whistleblower. I would sanction whistleblowers. I would tell them, go on podcasts, go on radio shows, go on television and discuss all these different disclosures. And you can't tell them everything. Your top secret stuff, you know, some stuff you got to keep secret.

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#2302 - Ron White

1006.601

While he was doing that, he was also trying to take his pilot's license. In between scenes, he'd be reading airplane books.

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#2302 - Ron White

1017.688

Oh, bro, you don't know the half of it. I tried to get him to divorce her a long time ago. I told him, like, right when he was struggling, I said, man, just give her half. Just get out. You'll make more money. And he was like, well, it's not half. It's a scam. The lawyers get a third. It's a third. You get a third of your fucking money. I'm like, okay, okay, okay. Just give her the money.

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#2302 - Ron White

1039.621

Just give her the money. Money is fun coupons.

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#2302 - Ron White

1043.183

If you're having money and you're not having fun.

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#2302 - Ron White

1046.245

You got to cut something off. You know, you got to figure out what, where's the cancer? Right. Hack it off. Hack off that melanoma and let's get this party rolling. You shouldn't be involved with someone that you hate. That's crazy. You come home to someone who hates you. That's crazy.

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#2302 - Ron White

1065.492

That's crazy.

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#2302 - Ron White

1074.238

You're a different person when you're in a bad relationship. You're bad too. You're not your best. Just like a bad friendship. You're not the best friend if your friend is a cocksucker. You're good friends with good friends. We all inspire each other. And if you got a one-way street or if you are one of those unfortunate people that hooked up with a hot lunatic, Because that's the problem.

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#2302 - Ron White

1098.587

You've got a hot lunatic. Right. And they're sexy and they're fun for short bursts of a few hours at a time. And then you're like, oh, my God, this person is in my life. And if you move in with them, oh, Christ. I know. And if you have kids with them, oh, Christ. And if you're married to them, oh, Christ, you married a hot lunatic.

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#2302 - Ron White

1121.57

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#2302 - Ron White

1164.361

The whole thing falling to pieces in front of the whole world. Because you married a hot lunatic. And that's the thing about symmetry and beauty and women who are sexy. They just can trick you. And men are so easily tricked. They're so vulnerable.

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#2302 - Ron White

1183.614

Oh, this is blessed. I'm in love. We're going to elope. Fuck it. I don't care about my money.

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#2302 - Ron White

1194.402

Yeah, she used to, like, insult him at parties and shit, Phil Hartman's vibe. It was really rough. I remember we all went to this party once, like some industry-type party, and she was insulting him, and I was like, oh, I just had to bite my tongue, which I'm not very good at, you know. No. And I was like, and then, you know, he and I were in his green, his little dressing room,

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#2302 - Ron White

1218.234

I was telling him, man, like, there's another way. You know, you're a great guy. Like, you're a great guy. You're a lot of fun. You'd be a better person if you were with someone better. Like, you'd feel better about yourself. Like, you can't be feeling good about yourself.

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#2302 - Ron White

122.107

It was so bad. You didn't think you were going to make it on Saturday.

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#2302 - Ron White

1231.306

Fuck no. You got to, you know, but he had kids, too, which complicates the fuck out of everything.

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#2302 - Ron White

1239.274

Yeah. Oh, fuck. Yeah.

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#2302 - Ron White

1244.235

fucking story did i ever tell you the story about like the worst i ever bombed on stage right after that like easily the worst i've ever bombed on stage did i ever tell you the story i've never seen you bomb on stage i was at the gas station and uh i was getting gas it was two weeks after he was murdered and it was the first time i was going to go on stage again because i was everyone was wrecked i didn't even know like how long it would take before i felt like i could do comedy again

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#2302 - Ron White

1271.743

So I'm at the gas station getting gas and just randomly run into a buddy of mine who's a cop. And I go, hey, what's up? What's going on, man? He's like, how are you doing? You doing OK? I'm like, man, we're all fucked up, you know. And he goes, did I tell you that I was there?

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#2302 - Ron White

1287.757

i go no you were there he goes dude what he goes i was there when the kids ran from the mom i go what do you mean he's like after she killed herself she barricaded herself in the after excuse me after she killed phil hartman she barricaded herself in the bathroom and she had the kids in there with her with a gun And a lot of times when moms kill themselves, they'll kill their kids too.

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#2302 - Ron White

1316.92

And the cops saw that, and so they kicked open the door. And when they kicked open the door, the kids ran from the mom. The kids ran out of the bathroom, and then the mom blew her brains out.

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#2302 - Ron White

1336.46

I'm seeing my friend at the gas station right before I go on stage. I'm going on stage in about 45 minutes.

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#2302 - Ron White

1342.922

Yeah. Half hour drive to the comedy store. 15 minutes before I'm going to go on stage. And this is my face. I'm just like, there's nothing funny in the world. There's nothing funny in the world. And then after I recovered, you know, I took like another week off. And then I came back and I was like, he would just... He just wanted me to keep going. I had a dream about him once.

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#2302 - Ron White

1368.351

It was like the most realistic dream I've ever had about anybody in my life. Ever in my life. He was sitting on a lawn chair. And I ran into him, and I was like, how are you doing? What are you doing? And he's like, oh, I'm fine. He goes, we made up. He goes, it was a lot. He goes, obviously, we had a lot to work out, and he laughed about it. And I said, well, that's great, man.

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#2302 - Ron White

139.114

Right.

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#2302 - Ron White

1396.639

And then he pushed the chair back, and he was gone. And then I woke up. He was gone. It was one of the most – I've had two very realistic dreams in my life that seemed so realistic they didn't even make sense. That was one of them where it was like I felt like he was there. I didn't – I feel like he wanted me to let it go. It was so weird. I felt like –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

1427.862

he wanted it's like that's how he was whenever they would fight because like i'm not i don't like fights in real which sounds crazy because i commentate on fights but i don't like i don't like conflict i wish it didn't exist The reason why I got good at fighting like martial arts is because I was scared of conflict. I don't like it. I understand it, but I don't think it's necessary.

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#2302 - Ron White

1455.581

And I don't think fighting in a relationship, I think that's the worst. The people that get in these relationships, they scream and yell at each other and call each other horrible names. But with a lot of people, it becomes this cycle of getting mad at each other and then making up. And then the making up sex is like very addictive to a lot of people. It's like it's a different kind of thing.

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#2302 - Ron White

1477.299

And you get on this weird roller coaster ride of I hate you, I love you, I hate you, I love you. And he was on that roller coaster ride. And he was letting me know. Like it just went too far. It went crazy.

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#2302 - Ron White

1770.972

This is her sister doing this to you? No, this is my wife.

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#2302 - Ron White

1782.419

Jesus Christ. What are you supposed to do?

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#2302 - Ron White

1786.162

A lady that you used to live with killed herself. Yeah. What the fuck?

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#2302 - Ron White

1791.485

Give me a minute. Yeah, give me a minute. Jesus, it's a human being that you know that killed themselves. How many people do you think you know that have killed themselves?

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#2302 - Ron White

1822.319

Oh, boy. You missed the massacre?

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#2302 - Ron White

1869.87

I love that guy. I love his music. He just, he didn't get it.

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#2302 - Ron White

1878.394

Well, he just missed, he didn't understand what was happening. And nobody did. I don't blame him. Nobody did. I'd talk to him in a heartbeat. Even though he pulled his music and tried to get me removed from Spotify. Right. I still don't care. I love that guy. And I loved his music. Even after he did it, I still listened to his music. He just got... He missed... He didn't know what was happening.

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#2302 - Ron White

1901.912

He got tricked. A lot of people got tricked. You know? A lot of people thought that this was the only way out. We had to listen to these evil, lying fucks that were telling us that everybody had to take this vaccine. There was no other medicine available. And if you didn't, everybody was going to die. And, you know... He got caught up in it. They got us all, though. They got the whole country.

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#2302 - Ron White

1926.84

You can't be mad at the whole country. Right. That's crazy. Right. I don't want to be mad at anybody anymore, Ron White.

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#2302 - Ron White

1933.503

As I get older, I'm less and less inclined. There's people I don't wish to talk to. Right. I don't need that in my life. I don't need whatever you bring in my life, but I don't wish you bad things.

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#2302 - Ron White

1954.074

Yeah, I don't want to be around them and confront them. I'm like, who cares? Good luck to you. I'll give you a hug.

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#2302 - Ron White

1961.199

Yeah, I have friends.

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#2302 - Ron White

197.268

So they were telling you you can't do this show because you had a specific kind of a cold, a COVID cold. So if you had the flu, would he have stopped you from doing the show? I'd say absolutely not. That's so weird. I don't think it would even come up. That's so weird because right now, like the deaths from COVID now are so low.

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#2302 - Ron White

2010.051

I don't know. Nobody? You can't wear them when – well, I guess maybe some people probably do. I bet rifle hunters do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

2026.347

Oh, interesting. Okay. So he's got an invention. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

2042.839

I would think that glasses would get in the way because, you know, when you –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

2047.243

shoot with a bow there's a thing called a peep sight so you have your string and in your string is uh what one of the things that's sewn into your string is this little plastic circle sure do you know what it is yeah okay so you know it lines up with the scope the housing of the bow no i don't know that so with a peep sight is when you draw back and you you don't look through through the string you look to the circle that's on the string it's sewed into the string and that circle you line it up exactly with your sight housing

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#2302 - Ron White

2074.213

And so where your pin is, it's all about, like, staying calm and keeping that pin there, and you want to keep it all, like, connected together. So my eye is, like, right there, like, right next to this peep sight. If I had glasses, it might get in the way. You know what I mean? Like, because the string is touching my nose, and the thing is right there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

2095.339

And I'm just drawing back, and I'm looking at it like that, right through it. I'll give them to you. See what you think. I don't know anybody who shoots, but I know some hunters that have glasses, so there must be a way to adjust. I don't know.

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#2302 - Ron White

21.762

They gotcha. They gotcha with the new COVID.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

2109.428

Okay. I'll try it out. All right. I'm open to anything. You never know. And anything that makes you good at that, that's a fucking difficult thing to do. You know? Like, I meet a guy, and he's like, I'm a bow hunter. I'm like, oh, okay.

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#2302 - Ron White

2125.852

Go ahead.

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#2302 - Ron White

2145.627

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#2302 - Ron White

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Like the idea that this is still a pandemic and they still have to treat it differently than they do a cold. They do.

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#2302 - Ron White

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#2302 - Ron White

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#2302 - Ron White

2482.47

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#2302 - Ron White

25.404

I thought the new COVID was total bullshit. I thought it was like a baby cold.

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#2302 - Ron White

2554.716

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#2302 - Ron White

278.971

It's 2025.

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#2302 - Ron White

282.091

If you told me you had, you did tell me you had COVID and I gave you a big hug on Monday. I saw you on Monday. Yeah. When we did Kill Tony.

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#2302 - Ron White

291

You were a super spreader on Kill Tony. You son of a bitch.

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#2302 - Ron White

2939.053

I think they can get Ibogaine. I think especially with a Republican like Rick Perry, who's really concerned about the mental health of veterans, because I think that's where it really shines. Ibogaine in particular helps a lot of people. Absolutely. It gives you like a review of your life, apparently. I've never experienced it. But the people that have have very positive things to say about it.

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#2302 - Ron White

2961.1

And it's incredibly good at helping people get over addictions. It has a very high success rate for one treatment. I think it's in the 80 percent. And then for if you do two treatments, it's in the mid 90s. That's fucking amazing. Yeah. People that never go back to the drugs, never, never go back to whatever it is, gambling, whatever you have. Whatever is wrong with you.

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#2302 - Ron White

2987.796

Yeah. You got to figure out why you're doing that. Like what is this pathway that I keep going down that's sabotaging my whole life and why can I not resist it? Why do I keep reaching for the bottle? What is it? Why do I keep snorting Coke? What is it?

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#2302 - Ron White

299.265

Nobody got sick.

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#2302 - Ron White

3024.599

Well, you quit like that, though. You did like, you were gone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

3171.2

That's interesting. So that's what the big fear a lot of people have is, how will I still be around bars?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

3193.264

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

3196.026

Well, it's not that much fun being around drunks when you're sober.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

3200.589

You've got to be in the vibe of the drunks to appreciate drunk talk. Yeah. When you're sober and someone's drunk and they're telling you some fucking story about their boss being a douchebag, it's like...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

3233.146

I think a lot of people have that problem, that isolation problem, you know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

326.426

You got to go to Gold's Gym.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

3276.388

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

329.968

Find the biggest guy in the room. Dude, you got something, don't you? You know you got something, bro. Come on, man. Aren't you a Ron White fan? Give me some fucking steroids.

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#2302 - Ron White

3299.635

Oh, me too. I mean, I love being home. I love being home with my family, hanging out. But my comedy family, I love being around too. And that's what I feel like. I feel like when, especially when comics are in town that I don't get to see that often. Oh, it's cool as shit. Oh, we all hang out together. It's beautiful.

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#2302 - Ron White

3345.997

Oh, I wasn't there for that one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

3354.401

Woody was there. You weren't here when Woody was there?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

3356.725

Oh, my God. He was so much fun. He's so fun. Did he do your show? Yeah, he did my show. But then that was nights before that, and he just wanted to come to the club. He's been to the club a couple of times now. Harrelson? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, he's just been hanging out. Fuck, I always wanted to meet that guy. Oh, he's so nice.

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#2302 - Ron White

3375.065

We just all hung out in the green room and he was just like one of the boys. It was so easy. How fucking cool is that? So cool. So, he's so easy to talk to. So, like, and talks to everybody the same way. He's like so easy. He's just a genuine dude. He don't even have a phone. You can't even get a hold of him. Really? Yeah, he don't have a phone. Doesn't have email. Doesn't do email. Fuck you.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Oh, shit. Yeah, he's like got an assistant that handles everything. Yeah, which is probably a freeing thing. Just stop. Just stop. Leave me alone.

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#2302 - Ron White

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But it's also like, let me know what I actually, let me think about what I think about things instead of being inundated by all these other people's thoughts constantly all day long, which is valuable. It's good to get other people's perspectives on things. I think it enriches you. But at a certain point in time, become captive to it.

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And I think there's just too many people that are captive to other people's thoughts.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Don't follow the stock market right now. It's so baffling. It's so crazy. Like, what is going on? The whole world is mad at us. Trump's playing golf and in between swings, he's on the phone with presidents of countries.

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#2302 - Ron White

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He's playing golf. He's playing golf. What does that mean? Everybody wants to think there's some grand plan to it. Well, I think the grand plan is... Look, we remember back when... Was it the 92 elections when Ross Perot was in? Mm-hmm.

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#2302 - Ron White

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So when Ross Perot laid out what happened ... Do you remember during that debate where Ross Perot laid out what happened with the tariffs so that when we try to sell stuff over there, we get a high tariff? It's like a 35% tariff, but they don't get tariffs. When it comes over here, it's not the same. It's not like, you know, you guys, there's a tax on everybody.

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#2302 - Ron White

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If you want to sell your goods to encourage people to buy American products, if you want to sell your products in America, we get a tax. That tax goes to the fucking grid or whatever the hell they're fixing with it. Right. Ross Perot was laying it out like this is how all the jobs went to Mexico because have you ever seen that, Jamie? See if you can find it. It's a great speech.

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Fuck it. Let's go.

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#2302 - Ron White

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That's funny. Did you just see that recently or something? No.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Oh, boy. The giant sucking sound. He would have been a great president.

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#2302 - Ron White

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He didn't come across well on TV. He was an independent. and nobody was voting for independent. By the way, they changed the whole way debates work after this because it used to be if you got 5% of the vote in the primary that you could be a part of the presidential debates. And that's not the case anymore. It was 5% in a poll.

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Let's go, Ron White. Plus, Bottom of the Barrels tonight, too.

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#2302 - Ron White

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I forget what the number was that you had to reach, but it wasn't a high threshold. And then you could be a part of the debate. And they changed the shit out of that after this because Ross Perot tanked it. They thought H.W. was going to go for a second term.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And meanwhile, Ross Perot fucked it up because a lot of people that would have voted for Bush voted for Ross, and the people that were already going to vote for Clinton voted for Clinton, and Clinton won. Play this, Jim.

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I'm so happy. I'm so happy for Tony and Red Band and for everybody on the show. I'm just so happy that that show is now on Netflix.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And that's exactly what happened. American manufacturing collapsed. Yeah. And they did it all for money. And they did it all because they were greedy. They were already rich.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And if we could have just gotten those motherfuckers some ayahuasca.

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#2302 - Ron White

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They would have said, oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.

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Let's make America great again.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Well, they have socialized medicine, but it's a capitalist society.

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#2302 - Ron White

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What percentage do Canadians pay in taxes?

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#2302 - Ron White

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Let's find that out. What's the Canadian tax rate? I know it's higher than Americans.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And when you go over there, you have to pay taxes, too. Like if you do a gig.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Yeah, you pay Canadian taxes on your gig.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Yeah.

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#2302 - Ron White

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So here it is. Canada's top federal income tax rate is 33%, while the U.S. is 37%. Right. However, when combining federal, provincial, state taxes, Canadians often face higher marginal rates across various income levels. That's interesting that theirs is only 33%, ours is 37%. I thought ours was lower than theirs.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Well, it is when you get to a certain tax bracket, correct? Isn't it? Ours changes when you get higher, right? Yeah, it does. 33% on the portion over $246,000. What's ours in terms of the highest tax bracket? What's the highest U.S.? Is it 37? That's what it is? What's really crazy to me is when people say the rich should pay more taxes. Okay, fine. But where do you think that's going?

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#2302 - Ron White

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Where's that going? Where is the money going? Is the money going to the federal government? Do you think they're good at it? Do you think they're good at managing your money? Have you paid attention to all the shit Elon's fucking uncovered? 37% is when you make over $609,000 a year. That's you, motherfucker.

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#2302 - Ron White

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This is the thing. It's like, I'm happy to pay tax if I thought that they were doing a great job. But it's just you are being strong-armed into giving money to people that do a really shitty job of protecting your money and investing it in the country. It's a lot of it is going to bureaucracy and bullshit and a bunch of things that you don't have any say in. If you could, like, opt out of it.

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If you could, like... Imagine if you had a whole tax sheet, would you like your money to go to? Would you like your money to go to overthrowing governments? No. What if the federal government's budget was entirely based on the will of the people? You get to choose. How much of your money you want to put into drone strikes in Yemen? I say, I don't want zero of my money going to that.

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#2302 - Ron White

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How much money do you want to go to this or that or clean water? Okay, clean water sounds good. You know, how much infrastructure? Fuck yeah, fix the streets.

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A hundred percent.

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100%. Less losers. That's how you make America great. Less losers. Less people that are saddled down with a lifetime of debt because they broke their leg. That's crazy.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And it's just a for-profit institution that roped you into thinking that that was necessary, that you have to be. And by the way, you can get... as good an education right now online as is available anywhere on earth.

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#2302 - Ron White

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If you have the discipline, yeah. That's what's so wild. That's what's so fascinating about this time is that it is basically obsolete, and yet people are still paying $70,000 a year for it and more. Like, what does Harvard cost? What's Harvard's yearly tuition, Jamie? What do you guess? I was like, at least 50.

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#2302 - Ron White

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He works really hard. really hard at that show, man.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Imagine if you're a middle-class guy, and you've got two kids, and they do real good, and they don't have scholarships, and you've got to pay for them.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Oh, boy. The total cost of attendance, including fees, housing, and food, reaching around $82,000. Undergraduate tuition is $56,550 for a year. That's a lot.

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I mean, I call him in the middle of the day sometimes, and he's just laying out how he's going to do the show, what he's got. He's planning it. He's wandering around his apartment writing notes down, just planning it out in his head. He's legit. He is. This is the thing about success. It's a product of hard work. And in that example, I fucking know it's a product of hard work.

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#2302 - Ron White

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But if you make it through those four years, now you're 200 grand in the hole that you owe. And then you have to get a job, and then you get a job that pays 50. And you're like, what?

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Oh, my God.

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#2302 - Ron White

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I'll never pay this off.

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#2302 - Ron White

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You know something wild? There's people out there, their Social Security is getting docked because they owe student loans. So they take money out of your Social Security to pay for your student loans because the student loans is the one thing you can never escape.

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#2302 - Ron White

4035.609

It's cruel. It doesn't make any sense. You're saddling an 18-year-old with the burden of a lifetime. Harvard, we're off of free tuition for families earning $200,000 or less a year. Oh, that's great. To who? That's a new thing. Offering it to who? You can't even get into Harvard. Right, but it's still good. We'll be free for students and families earning $200,000 or less a year.

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#2302 - Ron White

4059.761

College announced Monday. Harvard has long sought to open our doors to the most talented students no matter their financial circumstances. That's great. Yeah, it is. That's great. I just don't know if it's necessary. I think it's probably necessary for kids to go to school just to, like... A passage, a rite of passage, you know?

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#2302 - Ron White

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Like, I think ceremonies and rites of passages are missing in our society. Yeah. And especially, I could speak for young men, they don't know when they're a man. Like, am I a man yet? Like, there's some men that, you know, in their 30s, their dad's still yelling at them. Right. You know what I mean? It's like, when am I a man? When am I an equal? When am I, you know, we don't have a ceremony.

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#2302 - Ron White

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You know, in other tribal societies and all throughout history, people have had rituals, rites of passage rituals, where people feel like, okay, we fucking made it, you know? Like you have a black belt ceremony. You got your black belt. All right. I made it. You know, I'm in. But, you know, so I think there's a benefit in that society.

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#2302 - Ron White

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But then you got to like unlearn all this shit your fucking crazy professors are telling you. Did you go to college? Yes. I went to UMass Boston.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Yeah. Easy to get into. I only went because I didn't want people thinking I was a loser. That's the only reason why I went. I just wasted my time there. I went for three years just wasting my time taking class so I could tell people I was going to college.

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#2302 - Ron White

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What do you regret about it?

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#2302 - Ron White

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Yeah, I don't think it's real.

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#2302 - Ron White

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I think there's a lot of people that aren't interested in a lot of things. But when they say attention deficit disorder, why are those guys so good at video games? Why are they so good at things that aren't school? I think we could categorize it into a bunch of different categories. disorders and problems.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Those guys did that show every goddamn Monday for 10 plus years.

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#2302 - Ron White

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But I think a lot of that is a way to get you hooked on some sort of pharmaceutical drug that's going to fix whatever problem you have that doesn't allow you to sit in class and listen to some boring shit for fucking six hours. You got no problem writing jokes, Ron White. You got no problem performing.

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#2302 - Ron White

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It's not like there's not a thing that you can't excel at that you can pay attention when you're on stage.

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#2302 - Ron White

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You're a comic. You are a comic. That's what you're supposed to do. But let me give you an example. That's my point is that there's a lot of different functions in society. There's a lot of different roles in society.

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#2302 - Ron White

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#2302 - Ron White

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You're bored. You need excitement. You're a certain type of dude who needs a certain type of stimulation. Which is why you like the high wire act of performing live. I don't think it's a disorder. I think it's a superpower. Ah! Well, I like the sound of that. I do. I think the inability to pay attention to shit that's not interesting is not a disorder.

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#2302 - Ron White

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It's just you know what's interesting and what's not. You know, to this day, like maybe I have it, too, because this day when I'm talking to someone, they're saying something really boring. I want to run away.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And I just can't. It's like it's.

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#2302 - Ron White

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But that doesn't mean I have a disorder. I don't think I have a disorder because I'm talking to you. I got no problem at all.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Yeah, I'm sure I'm not that good at putting together a ceiling fan either. I wouldn't enjoy it, but I could do it. You just follow the directions. You could follow directions. It's not hard. It's just you wouldn't enjoy it. But if it was something that you enjoyed doing, like learning how to swing a golf club better, then you could pay attention. I do pay attention to that. That's all I'm saying.

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#2302 - Ron White

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I think there's roles in this world. And different personalities fit perfectly into mathematics. Different personalities fit perfectly into philosophy, engineering, different personalities. It's like you just got to find out what vibes with the way you think. And we all think differently. We all have different backgrounds. We all have different biology.

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#2302 - Ron White

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You know, you just got to find what is the thing that like syncs up with the way your mind works. And the problem with traditional education is it was designed by the Rockefeller family. The school system in this country was designed to create better factory workers and soldiers and to get them real early.

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#2302 - Ron White

4405.216

That's why they want to start you at five because they figured out when you start people at 12 or 13, they already got their ideas of what the world is and how the world works. And I'm not fucking shooting somebody for you. So what they do is they get you when you're five.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And when you're five, they can kind of indoctrinate you, separate you from your parents most of the day while your parents are at work. And so that's like most of your day you have other people other than your parents telling you how the world is, how the world works, what's happening in your life and what you should be doing. And that's kind of crazy because a lot of those people suck.

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#2302 - Ron White

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I remember thinking that when I was a kid, like thinking how strange it is that people that I don't respect and I don't enjoy are the ones that are in control of communicating to me most of the day. I remember very clearly thinking that when I was a little kid, like 10, 11 years old. Yeah.

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#2302 - Ron White

4510.788

Right, but if you were listening to like, you ever listen to Dan Carlin's podcast?

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#2302 - Ron White

4514.731

He's got this podcast called Hardcore History. It's incredible. Incredible. It's amazing. It's such a good podcast. And this guy will like lay out the events of World War I in a way that you will hang on every word and you'll park your car. Like if you got to go somewhere, you'll keep your car running because you just want to listen to where this is going. Wow. Yeah.

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#2302 - Ron White

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So if a guy like that was teaching you history. That would have been great. I mean, I think I would have been engaged. You probably would have been a historian.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

4544.018

Making nothing. Yeah. I mean, but this Dan Carlin's doing well. But that's someone who loves what they do. And that's the difference. School is this weird indoctrination fucking ritual that we all have to go through. And then we all have to feel real bad about ourselves because we don't want to be there and we're not doing good at it. I felt like a fucking complete loser in school.

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#2302 - Ron White

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I never felt like I was that I was supposed to be there. I never felt like I was smart. But I remember finally when I realized that I was never – when I was going to school for three years, when I went to college for three years, when I finally was like, what am I doing? I've got to stop doing this. It's just wasting time because that's all I was doing. It was just completely wasting time.

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#2302 - Ron White

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It was like a huge weight lifted off my shoulders. I could just go, eh, this is not for me.

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#2302 - Ron White

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I did.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Jesus Christ, imagine if you did. Imagine if you did go down a different road. That would have sucked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

4671.201

I'd just hang it, clip it right there on my pillow. People don't know about the beeper.

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#2302 - Ron White

4675.724

A lot of people listening right now. I have no idea what that is. Ron and I have been through all the various stages of technological inter- Wizardry. Yeah. But the intertwining in our lives, the way, you know, the first thing was the beeper. Like you would get a beeper, like my friend Johnny had one. You could page people. You could page him and he would call the number.

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#2302 - Ron White

4704.425

And you'd have to like put quarters in the phone and look at the beeper and do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. Hey, what's up? Hey, what's going on? Where you at? And you'd have a conversation with someone. That's how you'd get a hold of them. You have to page them. Right. Yeah. Joey Diaz had a pager forever. Joey Diaz had a pager deep into the, like, maybe the 2000s. Wow. Not kidding.

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#2302 - Ron White

4728.257

Yeah, definitely in the 90s he had a pager. Because I remember sometimes he would go AWOL, and I'd be paging him, like, where are you? Like, one time we were doing a gig in Jersey. We were doing Rascals in East Orange, and he fucking never showed up. And I finally got a hold of him on the phone. He's like, I'm not going to lie to you, dog. I never left Vegas. God damn it, Joey. Yeah.

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#2302 - Ron White

4750.635

I'll never forget that conversation.

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#2302 - Ron White

4752.916

I'm not going to lie to you, dog. I never left Vegas. It was just having a good time. But that's how you got a hold of him. You'd have to page him. That was it. And then one day he got a phone. And when he got a phone, you better not fucking text him. If you text him, he'll yell at you. Like Brian Redband used to text him. He goes, stop fucking texting me.

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#2302 - Ron White

4773.36

And then Joey eventually got an iPhone and Brian got a text from him one day. I'm like, oh, he's texting. He's like, he fucking texted me. Now we'll text you. But he doesn't like to text. How's he doing? He's good. He's coming down soon. He's going to be here in a couple weeks. Good, good. He's coming real soon, right? When is he here? Two weeks. Okay. Yeah.

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#2302 - Ron White

479.641

The only way something builds is you got to get it started. You can't think you're going to launch a podcast and it's going to have a million downloads. It's not that way. And you don't want it that way anyway. You want to get good at it. You want to learn how to do it. You want to iron out the kinks. I agree. I agree. And they did it. They fucking did it. They did it.

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#2302 - Ron White

4797.441

He only wants to talk to you on the phone. I go, why? Why don't you like talking to people? He goes, I'm insecure. I want to hear your voice. I want to tell you I love you.

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#2302 - Ron White

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I'm like, okay, I get it. I get it. He's old school.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

4814.898

He might be the number one dude that I just talk to mostly on the phone. Very few text messages between me and Joey. Then I'll ask him, like, hey, is April 22nd good? Yeah, we're good. Okay. See you then.

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#2302 - Ron White

4828.816

He's coming down to do sets. He's getting ready. He's going to do a special. So he's doing a bunch of shows. He's got a residency. I think he's doing it in Philly. Is he doing it in Philly? We'll find out when he gets here. But he's doing a residency. He's done a few of these residencies where he shows up, like, every weekend. He has shows, places. People love him.

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#2302 - Ron White

4848.068

He opened up for Tom in Madison Square Garden. Tom said when he went on stage, they went fucking ape shit. Oh, how cool is that? They went ape shit because they didn't know he was coming, you know? And then all of a sudden, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Joey Diaz. Yeah! He's like the Snuffleupagus. He's a mystical creature.

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#2302 - Ron White

4869.664

He's a completely unique human being, you know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

4881.631

Oh, beat the shit out of those crowds. Some of the sets that I've seen him have in the OR were, I think... I think it's the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. I've seen everybody. I've seen everyone. Great, great, great comedians who I love to death. And I'll watch them every time they perform. But I think Joey hit RPMs that nobody hit. He hit these moments.

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#2302 - Ron White

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It's like when people say like, who's the funniest guy ever? I'm like, God, man, I don't, you know, there's guys with great insight. Like Patrice had great insight. He was really hilarious, but he also had like great insight. Joey Diaz, you ain't getting no insight out of Joey Diaz. He's giving you, he's rock them, sock them robots. He's here to fuck you up. He's here to fuck that crowd up.

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#2302 - Ron White

4938.101

He used to have this bit about Terry Crews. Like when Terry Crews accused some guy of grabbing his dick. He had this bit about Terry Crews in an underwear commercial. Oh, my God. It was so funny. You'd be in the back of the room just barely breathing. You couldn't breathe. I was looking around. People are falling out of their chairs. They couldn't handle it.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And now it's one of the best shows in the world. It's the funniest fucking show on television for sure.

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#2302 - Ron White

4963.851

And he was on fire, just purple, fucking red in the face, screaming and yelling.

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#2302 - Ron White

4992.054

It's a fun job, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

4994.798

We're so lucky. We're so lucky in so many ways. It just doesn't make sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

50.001

That's interesting. I wonder if you got multiple things at the same time. Do people usually puke a lot if they get COVID? Jamie, do you know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

5005.755

But we almost did it, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

5008.359

I mean, when we all went through that with COVID, I mean, you were basically saying you were done. I thought it was done.

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#2302 - Ron White

5048.698

Yeah. Yeah, we knew, I mean, I tell everybody, but it's true. Like, you're one of the reasons why we decided to buy a club. Because you grabbed me when you got off stage. That first time, you hadn't been on stage in like eight months. And you grabbed me by the shoulders.

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#2302 - Ron White

5071.444

I was like, okay, we're going to do it. You're going to get that fucking club open. I'm like, we're going to do it. I was already thinking about doing it very seriously because I realized early on coming here, I was like, we need a place. We can't just be working out of these rock and roll clubs. They're not set up right.

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#2302 - Ron White

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You know?

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#2302 - Ron White

5147.033

Thank you.

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#2302 - Ron White

5175.677

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2302 - Ron White

528.856

It's a fun thing to do, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2302 - Ron White

566.076

It's a legit bucket pool. It is. I mean, it really is. And sometimes one of our guys gets in. Like, Ahsan's been on a couple of times now, you know. And sometimes not. You put your name in the bucket. You'll see there's hundreds of names in that bucket. It's a great idea. It's a great idea. It really is.

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#2302 - Ron White

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You have to act on them, especially if they're positive. I'm not saying go fucking build up the Capitol building because you have an idea. I mean positive ideas, not vengeful. If you have a good soul, if your goal in life is a positive thing, these ideas will come to you. If you can, you're supposed to act on them. And I felt like, wow, what a unique opportunity I have to be able to do this.

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I shouldn't be scared because it's daunting and it's expensive and it's like, what are you doing? You just do it. Just do what you do. Here's one thing that I believe.

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Well, it makes sense. It's certainly a huge factor, right? Because if you didn't inspire me to even think about Austin, I wouldn't have. And I wouldn't have moved here if you weren't here, I don't think. Maybe I would have, but it helped a lot that you were here. I was like, this makes it so much easier that I know Ron's here. Because it was weird times then, man.

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Even going to a restaurant, you felt like you were a rebel. It felt weird. It felt weird to not be scared. You wanted to hide the fact that you weren't scared, that you wanted to just go out. It was a strange, strange, strange time. that I think even now we look back on and we can't... Like, I watched a UFC fight the other day, an older fight, and all the corner men had masks on.

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I'm like, this is the craziest thing that we went through.

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You know, it's bizarre. It was a fight that took place in an arena in Florida with no crowd. No crowd. It was Justin Gaethje versus Tony Ferguson. It was one of the first fights we did back... Um, it was like, and you were there. Uh huh. Yeah. And I was watching the fight, uh, the other day and I was looking at the corner man, they all had masks on. I was like, what a weird fucking time.

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Give it a go. Try to be funny. Do your best. Just do your best.

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What a weird, I remember like people would get upset if I didn't wear a mask backstage, uh, I'm like, what are we doing? What is this for? Like, this is crazy. These guys are beating the fuck out of each other and sweating on each other. You know, and all of us tested negative. That's how we got through here. Like, is someone magically going to get COVID while we're all wandering around together?

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Don't we all test negative? So to get in this room, they had to be able to test you. Everybody got tested. Like those shows that you did with Chappelle. Exactly. So we're all in this room. Take that fucking stupid mask off. But even the shows we did with Chappelle, outside the people were supposed to wear masks. Outside. Outside. Everyone's tested.

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Is this a mystery, magical disease that we're encountering? Like demons hiding in the woods for you?

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I don't remember having that either. You might have had a couple things at the same time. There was a bad flu going around too.

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Yeah.

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But Vic was not a healthy guy. What the disease did is exposed metabolic health problems.

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So in that sense, yes, it was. But it wasn't in the sense where all these healthy people who have been tested are wearing.

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That's ridiculous. Especially the athletes and the fighters. Like what we would have to do is if one of the corner men got COVID, even if the fighter didn't have COVID, the fighter was pulled from the card. So one of the cornermen tests positive for covid because the fighter had been around him, even if he's negative. We treated it different than we treated anything ever.

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It's fun, too. It's like it makes everything more fun. When there's a fun thing like that out there in the world, more of us have fun. We have more fun at the clubs. We have more fun talking about comedy.

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And especially for the fighters, it had like it was not going to have an effect on them unless they did. There's one guy did have an effect on he got covid really, really bad. But it's because they kept training. These guys kept training while they had covid. A lot of these guys, they don't give a fuck. They have the flu. Who cares? They're showing up at the gym. It's part of being an animal.

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It's like you'll show up sick, and you'll train through a... But you shouldn't do that. You're just breaking your immune system down further, and especially if you're in camp. So being in camp for a fighter is very different than regular working out.

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Being in camp for a fighter is you are basically redlining your body, trying to get it to recover, like trying to get it to keep pace so you can get to a superhuman level that's only achievable... after like a 12-week camp and you could only hold onto it for a couple weeks. They know when you're peaking sometimes and they'll back a fighter off. They'll go, we're done today. We're done today.

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You're peaking too early. You're peaking too early. You don't want to overdo it. So you want to back off your training when you're feeling absolutely perfect and get yourself, just slow down. We're a little too soon. Like a really good trainer knows when you're peaking. But you can't maintain it forever.

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It's really only for – that's why it's so crazy that a lot of these guys, they'll accept a fight on like 10 days notice. Like that's nuts. That's nuts. Like you need to be peaking. You need to be like – you're going to fight in a fucking cage. And I know you're doing this as a financial decision, but that's why Jon Jones is the smartest. Jon Jones never did that. They changed opponents. Fuck you.

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Fight's off. John, even guys like Chael Sonnen, who eventually stomped in the first round, like absolutely destroyed. It was a it was not even remotely competitive. It was an annihilation. It would have been an annihilation 365 days a year for decades. It wouldn't have mattered how good John Jones is and as great as Chael Sonnen is. Jon Jones was the bigger man. Chael had fought at 185 pounds.

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Jon was a big 205, and he was the most talented guy that ever fought in the sport. And he's going to win every time. But when they changed the opponent, they tried to make it Chael Sonnen. He's like, nope. Nope. We do things the right way. I go through a full camp. That's it. Fight's off.

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everybody's like ah because they want you to play ball get it we need a new guy but look to this day everybody says he's the goat well why is he the goat because he did everything the right way he he knew especially when he wasn't partying he did everything the wrong way too i mean he did a lot of partying and still beat the fuck out of everybody because he was that good because he was that talented one of the craziest things he ever said daniel cormier when they were having a rematch

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They were talking shit in the press conference. And Daniel Tormier said something to John. John goes, I beat you when I was on Coke. It is the craziest statement because he says it and you're like, oh, shit. And it's true. It's true. That's how good John was. But if you try to change opponents, John's like, uh-uh. Try to call John Jones in for a late notice fight on five days notice.

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He'll tell you to go fuck yourself. Like, nope. I'd rather hang out at home with my dog. Like, he's not doing it. Like, you got to – so these guys, when they're peaking – They're vulnerable. They get sick a lot, especially when they're cutting weight because you're redlining your body and you could overdo it and guys overdo it all the time. They overtrain. They just break themselves down.

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They've kept too much pace and not enough recovery and they're declining and declining and declining. They show up at the gym, they have no energy. They're like, fuck. And if you get a guy to the fight that's overtrained, it's horrible. It's horrible to watch. I've seen it many times. The guys just can't recover. They're too tired. They overdid it. They were too tough for their own good.

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So one of those guys got COVID. This guy Hamza Chamayev. And this motherfucker is a psychopath. He's a savage. Like one of the most savage guys that's ever fought in the sport. And he just kept training. Just kept training. This motherfucker trains like eight hours a day. He trains like a wolverine. He's an animal. And he was training with COVID and he kept getting real sick.

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Went up getting hospitalized, coughing up blood, gets out, goes right back to it. Same thing. Hospitalized again. He got hospitalized like twice because he wouldn't stop training because he's that psychotic. But other than him, regular athletes that get it, they just take a few days off. Right. Daniel Cormier had COVID, trained through it and won the title. Won the heavyweight title.

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Training through COVID in his camp. He was sick during camp and kept training. And everybody was like, let's just keep going.

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So just imagine those level of athletes and were worried about it so much that everybody has to wear a mask. Like, shut the fuck up. Right. This is nuts. So all that had to happen, too, where we were – The reckless ones. We were the ones that like, I'm not buying this. I'm going to live my life. I'm going to Texas. And there was a lot of people that were really mad at that.

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#2302 - Ron White

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There was a frothy mess of people that were just all caught up in this psyop. They were just the, you know, and it was great. Not good, really. But it was great in that it exposed these fragile thinkers. So many fragile minds. They couldn't see the forest for the trees. They just, they couldn't see it. And when we all came out here and we said, we see it. Like, this is bullshit.

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Yeah, yeah, it'll make you sick. Yeah, you'll have to be at home for a week. Yeah, get vitamin drips. You'll be all right. Like, yeah, this is what we're dealing with, for real. And... A lot of people agreed. And then it turns out we were right. It turns out we were right. At the end of the day, we were correct. We were correct to want to live our lives. We all went back to live our lives.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Too soon. Says who? Says who? The fucking government that's been lying to you about this disease the entire time?

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#2302 - Ron White

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It's not good because it's like when you find out your friend's a bitch and then you have to count on him again in the future. You're like, dude, don't fall apart on me here. Show up. Don't get scared. I need help. You find out your friend... falls apart under pressure. You're like, oh, great. Why are you crying, Mike? What are we doing? Don't cry. This is crazy.

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Like now you can't count on Mike because Mike falls apart when chick gets hot. And this is how it feels like a good percentage of the country. You know, it was a joke from my last special, but I really feel this way. We lost a lot of people during COVID and most of them are still alive. I wrote that line thinking about specific friends. It's like, what did you think was going on?

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What did you think was going on? Yeah, it's a disease. But since when have you changed your entire fucking life for years for a disease? This is nuts. Since when have you listened to the entire government tell you you can't have outdoor dining because of a disease, like a disease you've already had? You've already gotten through it, and they're still telling you this?

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We're a year and a half into this fucking thing? And so we were right. And so many people, because we were right, so many people also came. And that's the beautiful thing. It's like people speak with their actions. And the people that are willing to make a leap like that, those are the ones you want there. Those are the ones. We got the best of the best.

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We got the most fuck you of the fuck you people. Because comedians are fuck you people.

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Something happens in society like, hey, man, fuck you. Right. You know?

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Eat a steaming bowl of fuck. No matter what it is, you know? And the world needs that. I need that. I need that. I need you here. I need Tony. I need I need people like that the same way that you did. We all sort of collectively manifested it together. But without you, we wouldn't be here.

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#2302 - Ron White

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It's an amazing spot, and it's hilarious that a cult used to own. I feel terrible for all the people that were roped into building it and all the people that got buttfucked.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Yeah, it's a true story.

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And nobody showed up, Ron, except for these chicks. If I was your psychiatrist, I'd sit down to go. Ron, what do you think this means to you? What inside of your subconscious makes you think that only 11-year-old girls would come to see you do comedies?

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#2302 - Ron White

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The guy was a hypnotist and a gay porn star. Like, what a combo. Right. And then when they found the gay porn... You watched the documentary, right? The documentary's incredible. But Ron... The people at home. Ron had performed at this. So you had performed at that place. I fucking love that theater. You should buy that place. And then it was for sale. I was like, oh, we're in. Right.

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And then Adam Egott is the one. He goes, have you seen that documentary that's on that cult? I'm like, oh, no. Oh, no, Ron White. What have you done? What have you done? I watched the documentary.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Have you seen the videos of the guy dancing around inside the building?

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#2302 - Ron White

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Those are the same people wearing masks in their cars. You know what I'm saying? It's like that's why you can start a cult. If you just get everybody who wears a mask in their car, you could rope those motherfuckers into doing almost anything. And that's how cults get started.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Well, they're also looking for community.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Think about the positive aspects of the mothership, right? Like, we're all having a good time. Well, this is what everybody really wants. But what if the only way you can get that is to believe Baba Kinesh over there, who changed his name, and now he wears wooden beads, and he sits in the lotus position, and everybody's got to suck his dick? Like, ah.

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#2302 - Ron White

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I just want to do yoga and hang out with everybody. Why do I got to suck this guy's dick? But they kept sucking his dick.

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He's still getting his dick sucked. Some guys are just really good at like. At getting their dicks sucked. It's like the thing where you need to be on acid to understand the Grateful Dead. It's like you need to be at the special frame of mind with a special nine volt brain where you can get talked into a cult like that. But it happens every day.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Every day all throughout the country. You know, I was talking to Mark Andreessen about this venture capitalist guy, brilliant guy. And he was telling me that there's a ton of active cults right now in California. Oh, yeah. That are functioning. Yeah. Like you only hear about the ones that wind up getting in shootouts with the feds. There's a bunch of them that actually function somehow or another.

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They keep it together. You know, people leave. They tell the horror stories and some people join.

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But like Wild Wild Country is a great example. That Netflix documentary. Yeah. The crazy thing is in the beginning it looks so fun.

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#2302 - Ron White

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He's got 20 Rolls Royces. There's so many of them. It's like whatever the way that we evolved in tribal society to listen to the chief. We all have this strange desire to either be the chief or listen to the chief. Sure. Either be the alpha or listen to the alpha. And someone can pretend to be the chief. They can pretend to be the chief with magical insight and-

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#2302 - Ron White

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You know what the most fucked up thing about that documentary is? The thing that still fucks with my head is that that guy would do this thing to these people called the knowing. Right. And they would orgasm. They would literally meet God. To this day, they all say that it was real, that that thing actually did happen. Like the power of suggestion, the fact that he kept it from them for so long.

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And then the one day, or this is your coming of age ceremony, which is the one day you're going to get the knowing. And he would put his hands on them and they would really experience something. And they said it was like they were experiencing God. It was the most bliss they had ever felt in their life and that they never felt it again. So the circumstances and the ritual...

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#2302 - Ron White

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You think like that and it drives me crazy. I don't understand how you can think like that.

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activated this innate part of our consciousness that's always there. This ability to talk to God, the ability to communicate with God, which is probably what every religion is trying to do. It's all like this whisper of the truth that's out there in the ether, and everybody knows that it's out there. There's something there. I just have to figure out how to... And this guy is crazy about

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#2302 - Ron White

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gay porn star, hypnotist, butt-fucking all these dudes. Still, even this guy was able to touch these people, and they were able to access that part of their brain. And they were in. They were in. They were like, oh, we're in, man. I'm following this guy everywhere. This guy really is, like, connected to God.

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#2302 - Ron White

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That's the problem. That was what they did during the Manson family, MK Ultra, during those days. This is part of the Chaos book by Tom O'Neill. It's about the Manson family. excuse me, the Manson family murders. And one of the things that they went into is the fact that this guy who worked for the CIA at the time as a part of MKUltra, his name was Jolly West.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And Jolly West is this figure all throughout the counterculture resistance movement that the federal government had sort of concocted. And part of what he was doing was teaching people how to manipulate people with LSD. And he was teaching Charlie Manson in jail. This guy visited Manson in jail. Then Manson would get out of jail and Manson would get in trouble, get arrested and then get released.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And the sheriffs all say it's over my pay grade. They were all told to let him go. And so he was implicated in murders and violent crimes and they always let him go. They always had to let him go. And he was getting acid and he had sophisticated methods of manipulating minds.

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#2302 - Ron White

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It wasn't as simple as like this is a charismatic dude and they all want to cut a baby out of fucking Sharon Tate's stomach. No, it was way crazier than that. It was sophisticated mind control from MK Ultra. And they wanted to see if they could get people to become homicidal maniacs. And they were right. They could. They knew how to do it. They used it.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And they got Manson to do it, and it threw water on this whole anti-war hippie movement. All that peace, love shit. Now hippies are murderers. Now hippies are Charles Manson. Your kid wants to just paint flowers and show up at Grateful Dead shows. No, your kid's a murderer. All the hippies are suspects now. It worked. It was a fascinating thing they did.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Like the way they threw water on this movement that was happening, like in 1970, just threw it down and put Schedule 1 on everything. If the Nixon administration hadn't done that in 1970, who knows what the world looks like today? Like who knows? Who knows if you can get Ibogaine and Ayahuasca in America, if psilocybin had stayed legal? It was made illegal in 1970.

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#2302 - Ron White

721.806

It's a different world now, Ron. I think they do last now. I guess so. I think the thing that was going on before was – Everybody thought you did comedy to get to something. You did comedy to get to the movies. You did comedy to get to TV. And if you didn't, then you were a failure. And you thought of yourself as a failure, and other people thought of you as a failure, too.

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#2302 - Ron White

7226.164

All that stuff became Schedule 1 in 1970. Marijuana was always illegal. It was illegal from like the 1930s. And that was because it was a textile and that was because it was a commodity. It had almost nothing to do with the drug itself. They were trying to outlaw hemp. They were worried because they had come out with a new way to process hemp fiber. It's called a decorticator.

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#2302 - Ron White

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They invented this thing. It was a big thing. Popular Science Magazine, hemp, the new billion-dollar crop. It was like they were saying, we're all going to use hemp now because now there's an effective way to process the fibers, and they're superior to everything else. Make superior paper, superior cloth, superior everything. Right, everything. Much, much, much better plant.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And William Randolph Hearst was like, fuck that. So William Randolph Hearst starts publishing stories in his newspapers about how blacks and Mexicans are taking this new drug called marijuana. They invented the name. It was a wild Mexican tobacco. That's what marijuana used to be. It was slang for a wild Mexican tobacco. So they put that name on cannabis, something that people had had forever.

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#2302 - Ron White

7297.872

People have been smoking it forever. It was literally the origin of the term canvas. Comes from cannabis? Yes. Oh, I didn't know that. It's all hemp. If you go like the Mona Lisa, those are all painted on hemp. The first draft of the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp. Hemp was a far superior paper. It's really difficult to tear. It's a crazy fiber.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Hey, can we put this on pause for a second?

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#2302 - Ron White

7325.746

Okay. So, ladies and gentlemen, Ron White had a moment there where the cold came back, the sickness came back.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Well, I was over here blabbing about the illegalization of weed and how crazy it is, and we were talking about ayahuasca and all those things, and all of a sudden, you just got a little pale.

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#2302 - Ron White

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How long has this sickness been with you?

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#2302 - Ron White

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Has this happened before, though, where it just comes on out of nowhere? No, this has been the first time. So maybe it's another thing, like a food poisoning thing or something? Fuck, I don't know.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Wow. And you've had a couple IVs, right?

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#2302 - Ron White

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And you played golf?

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#2302 - Ron White

7401.252

It's a nice day to play golf, too.

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#2302 - Ron White

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One of the things that we have out here in Texas is real weather. I love it when it rains and everything's so green and pretty.

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#2302 - Ron White

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I do need to go down to Costa Rica.

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#2302 - Ron White

7424.685

Yeah.

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#2302 - Ron White

7434.595

Exactly. Like, what are you saying? I've seen so many things.

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#2302 - Ron White

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And that would diminish your confidence. That would diminish your draw. And only a few people survived that and escaped. And a lot of great comics, like Richard Jenney, for instance... He got caught up in that and felt like he was a failure and a loser and wound up fucking killing himself. Meanwhile, he was one of the greatest comics that's ever lived.

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#2302 - Ron White

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I heard that Driftwood place is amazing, the place out here.

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#2302 - Ron White

7468.537

Yeah, I would love it, I'm sure. So we should probably wrap this up because you're not feeling that good, right?

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#2302 - Ron White

7481.126

Okay, all right. Well, it's just when someone gets sick like that, you don't know what to do.

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#2302 - Ron White

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It's just crazy that something's been, like, you know, you have a little invader in your body. Yeah. That you're fighting off. That's what we're doing all the time, fighting off these invaders.

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#2302 - Ron White

7518.149

Of course. This will be fun tonight. It's Cam Patterson's show tonight.

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#2302 - Ron White

7522.233

Good. That's an exciting time. It really is. And the world is so chaotic right now, which is great for comedy. Whenever the world's fucked up, comedy is at its best. Gaza and Palestine and fucking Ukraine and the tariffs. It's great to come out and do some comedy.

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#2302 - Ron White

7550.194

Good.

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#2302 - Ron White

7599.286

Well, the problem with politics is you're going to alienate 50% of the crowd.

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#2302 - Ron White

7604.71

Dead split. And if you're one of those people that takes a stand on stage, you're like, okay, great.

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#2302 - Ron White

7609.493

Now you're taking a stand.

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#2302 - Ron White

761.691

He just missed the boat. He missed the internet boat. He would have been fucking- Yeah, but I missed it too. You didn't though. But you didn't. You didn't miss it. You didn't. You caught us. You caught the whole wave, brother. You came to the comic store at the right time. I did catch a great wave. And it's great for all of us. We all know each other. It's great for all of us.

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#2302 - Ron White

7610.834

Okay. But just let's have fun.

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#2302 - Ron White

7614.777

Unless what you have to say is so good that you can make someone laugh.

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#2302 - Ron White

7638.052

Leave it the fuck alone. That's some black belt material.

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#2302 - Ron White

7643.775

You know Mitzi Shore wouldn't let Brian Holtzman on stage for two weeks after 9-11? No, I didn't know that. She's like, no way. Keep him off the stage. Holtzman couldn't wait, couldn't wait to say something fucking completely outrageous. Whatever that demon inside of him that comes out when he's on stage.

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#2302 - Ron White

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He's from a different time. It's like he was brought here from another dimension. He's like a different thing, even the way he dresses. It's like he's from the 50s. Right. And he's like my age. He was like that when I met him. He was from a different era when I met him in 94. Oh, you've known him that long? Yeah. I'm like, where is this fucking guy from? You're from a different time.

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#2302 - Ron White

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People fucking love him, though, man. He's got a crowd now.

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#2302 - Ron White

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That's the difference between the way he was treated at the store. Unfortunately, he fell into this through nobody's fault. But it was like everybody waited until the end and Holtzman would go up. But, like, why have him on in the end? You know, it's like... Have him on when the crowd's hot. Don't put him on at 1 in the morning. Put him on at 10. Let's see when the crowd is popping.

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#2302 - Ron White

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Let him cook when the crowd's popping. And now he sells out. People come to see him in the headlines. It's like people get excited. He's a maniac. And he's got a crowd now. He's got a legitimate draw. They get it. Yeah, they get it. It's nice. It's fun. And that's also the difference between when a comedy club is run by a comic. Because Holtzman has always been a comic for comics.

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#2302 - Ron White

7751.24

We all would go to see Holtzman at the end of the night when he was doing these insane sets for 15 people in the main room. Right. But now we're running the shows. Give them a fucking weekend. Let's go. Give them a Thursday night. Let's go. Let's have some fun.

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#2302 - Ron White

7766.719

He does a lot of Thursdays. Yeah, especially 10 p.m. shows. That's the best time to see him. When it's late and you've had a couple of cocktails. Right. You feel crazy about the world. Yeah. Let that guy. Let that guy loose.

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#2302 - Ron White

7782.069

Yeah. You get jokes. You get someone saying something he doesn't really mean. Right. It's completely ridiculous to say. Yeah. That's part of the fun.

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#2302 - Ron White

7790.111

Yeah.

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#2302 - Ron White

7795.593

But every now and then he'll show you behind the curtain.

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#2302 - Ron White

7799.054

Every now and then, he'll give you a little peek, and you're like, okay, this is an act. He's having fun.

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#2302 - Ron White

7811.743

Yeah, it was a big get, getting him here. It was a big get, because we wanted to bring a lot of the— there was some magic that was trapped in the talent of the comedy store. It was magic. And some of it wasn't being utilized correctly, and Holtzman's the best example of that.

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#2302 - Ron White

7827.193

but what a fun hang it was you know what a fun hang yeah it was it was great that's some of my favorite times in my life in that back bar yeah just laughing just laughing we would be back there just laugh that was a great thing the comedy store did when they put together that bar yeah that it had mitzi's actual bar from her house was the bar there i didn't know that yeah that bar didn't used to be there like so the early days that was like a storage room

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#2302 - Ron White

783.119

There's no more waves in terms of your career's going to die off. Your career's dependent entirely on your work, and your work's never been better.

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#2302 - Ron White

7852.904

And so at one point in time when the store was like really killing it, they decided like we should turn this into a bar. And I don't know what year was that. I feel like that was like 2014-ish, which is right when I came back. And the store was killing it. And we all were like, oh yeah, we'll have our own bar? This is incredible.

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#2302 - Ron White

7875.22

And you had to go through the kitchen to get through it, like a scene from Goodfellas. And you get back there, and you could only be back there if you were cool. You couldn't buy a ticket.

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#2302 - Ron White

7887.402

Yeah, you had to have a friend. You had to know somebody to get back there. But we would be hanging with some of the coolest people in the world.

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#2302 - Ron White

7898.072

It was so fun. There'd be musicians back there.

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#2302 - Ron White

7902.258

And everybody was just chilling. The drinks were free. It was crazy. It was so fun. The store was a magical place, man, a magical place. And there's something about the fact that, you know, it had this insane history to it that you felt like, wow, I can't believe I'm even here.

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#2302 - Ron White

7926.042

Yeah. And you just you're in the belly of the beast on Sunset in Hollywood, like right in the middle of everything. Right. The middle of everything. I remember when I was a kid in 1988 when I first started doing stand-up, they would talk about the comedy store like it was Mecca. Right. Like you had to make your pilgrimage to the store. And some guys would say they went there, but they bombed.

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#2302 - Ron White

795.862

You're on fire right now. You were killing it the other night. We were in the green room and we're watching for the balcony fucking howling. It's great. It's great. There's no reason it shouldn't be great. Like you've been doing it forever. You love doing it. You're passionate about it. You work hard. You're always writing. Of course it's great.

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#2302 - Ron White

7950.944

Oh, I went back to try to do some meetings. I did a set at the store. I bombed. I fucked that place. Yeah.

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#2302 - Ron White

7992.786

First time I ever came out to the store, I was out in L.A. to do some pilot thing for MTV. I was staying at a hotel and I knew where the store was. I was like, I gotta get there. I just gotta see what it's like. And they let me in because I said, hey, I'm a comedian from New York. Can I just come in and watch the show? And they're like, yeah, sure. They just let me right in.

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#2302 - Ron White

8015.435

And then I sat in the back of the room and there was like 19 people in there and they were all like, the comics that were on stage were terrible. They were all like Bodaks. And then I realized years later that what had happened was Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2302 - Ron White

8140.643

Thank you.

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#2302 - Ron White

834.629

No substitute. Stage time and a good tribe.

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#2302 - Ron White

840.23

Because everybody's killing it. Like when I see Hasan up there killing it, I'm like, ooh, let's go. I get excited. Everybody's killing it. It's come a long way. A long way. And you see these guys like Ari Matty, these young guys coming up. You see all these people. Cam Patterson on Kill Tony Monday Night was on fire. On fire. You see the growth. You see these guys emerging.

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#2302 - Ron White

859.434

And you're like, this is incredible. We're so lucky. We have the luckiest job in the luckiest place in the world.

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#2302 - Ron White

880.23

You can get in there, man. You can get in there if you're good. You can get in there if you're good. There's a lot of guys get in there. All you have to do, a lot of women get in there, a lot of non-binary people. All you have to do is just be good. There's showcases all the time. Adam's picking people all the time. People see you if you're funny. Your shit's on the internet.

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#2302 - Ron White

897.841

It's like the path has never been clearer now for a young comic. I mean, when I was young, starting out, it's like, how do you do this? How do you get on stage? How do you get a manager? How do you get paid? How do you do it? Now it's kind of laid out.

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#2302 - Ron White

9.575

We up? Hey, fella, we're up. What's going on, Ronway?

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#2302 - Ron White

93.256

Like a cortisone shot?

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#2302 - Ron White

967.417

He would do some stand-up to warm up the crowd sometimes.

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#2302 - Ron White

972.1

And he would fuck around. And he and I talked about it and I said, anytime you want to do it, I'll go, I'll take you to the store. I go, you can get on stage. I go, you don't need a lot of time. You just like put together five minutes. I'll help you. I know you could do it. And he had some really funny impressions. He had a really funny Bill Clinton impression. Right.

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#2302 - Ron White

988.69

He was a funny fucking dude and a hard worker. You want to talk about a hard worker? Yeah. Dude, it used to make me, everybody felt like they weren't a professional when they were around that guy. Because he would have, like, tabs and shit, a notebook where all his scenes were. Everything was organized.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1002.683

I think that's one of those theories that probably the government created.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1047.441

Right.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1054.124

Theoretically. They're supposed to be released soon. Yeah. Have some patience. Dude, they're releasing tomorrow, Joe. Can you... Is that real? No. It's like every day is Christmas. Yeah, for real. Can you Google David Lifton witnesses of the JFK assassination odds? Because he did some sort of a calculation of the odds of all these people dying the way they died. Yeah, dude.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1083.902

And it's millions to one. It's nuts.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1093.509

That one's very unlikely, which means they were killing witnesses. Someone was killing witnesses. I think there was people shooting from the back and the front. I think Lee Harvey Oswald. People want to say it's one or zero. I think Lee Harvey Oswald was in on it. I think Lee Harvey Oswald probably didn't shoot the president though.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1110.914

Uh, but he might've, he might've hit him in the back because there was a shot in the back too. You know, the whole reason why they had to call this a tracheotomy is the same reason why they had to come up with a single bullet theory. Exactly. Yeah. So you're, you gotta explain it.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1125.627

Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1134.835

Oliver Stone just goes all.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1139.559

Oliver Stone's the best, because he's been studying this for fucking ever, and he can tell you exactly what's going on with Dulles.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1154.877

And then... There's a wild connection between Jolly West and Jack Ruby. Oh, yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

117.208

He goes, he was probably the first speedball he ever took and he died from it. Like this whole thing about him being this raving, drug-fueled maniac was totally fabricated.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1179.433

They ran the Hate Ashbury Free Clinic. Oh, yeah. And they closed it down after Chaos came out.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1187.056

So just recently, huh? The entire time they had been running this clinic. It's not like they were running the clinic and they said, you know what, let's not run the clinic anymore. Let's just give it to regular doctors. 70s are over. It's over. The peace and war bullshit or peace and love bullshit, that's over. Yeah, one of the conspiracy theories that's out this week. It's coming out this week.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1205.845

Really? This week? Yeah. Tom O'Neill is my friend Greg's longtime friend and former neighbor. Well, I think they're still neighbors. But they were neighbors in New York, and then they were neighbors in California. That's a pretty cool neighbor. Yeah, very cool neighbor. But this guy's been working on this one fucking story for 20 years.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1224.461

You imagine just pulling your hair out, just going crazy for 20 years?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1234.049

He could have written many other books on the exact same subject. He can keep going. Part two, more I know. Part three, more I know.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1249.081

There's whole rabbit holes. How about each time that Manson got away with committing crimes? And the girls, too. Yeah, and they're like, oh, it's above our pay grade. So they were paying people... to do this. They were giving the Manson family LSD and money. They were allowing them to commit crimes.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1266.234

And the whole idea was just to change the idea of what people thought of as hippies and to stop the anti-war movement and also to see what they can get away with. They could do it.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1300.298

I started to read it. I have not finished it.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1363.335

Like who in specific?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

145.316

Yeah, no, this is not a defense of Nixon. Nixon was not a great guy. But Tucker thinks that Nixon knew too much about the JFK assassination and wanted to talk about it. And he started saying, I know who killed JFK. And he started yapping, and they were like, let's get this motherfucker out of here. And also, one of the terms that he had agreed to, to run for president, was Gerald Ford.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1453.025

Was Morrison an ex-military guy?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1456.929

Why do you think that he looks like a CIA operative then?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1462.374

But you said the lead singer of The Doors, too.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1487.111

You can't, you can't like fake talent. You know what I'm saying?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1497.529

Like, look at Diddy, bro.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1502.736

Frank Zappa was great.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1505.519

It's like you can't, like... 100%. But here's the thing. They could push people with talent that they also could use to further their agenda and make those people more popular than they would be organically and put a lot of emphasis behind it. The reason why this tracks is... is because what Nixon did.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1526.628

So with the sweeping psychedelic act of 1970, they passed this, they made mushrooms and all these different things illegal so that they could go after the civil rights activists and the anti-war activists and the black campers. They shut them all down. They shut them all down. Go after them for having these things that were societal disruptors.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1554.358

Well, this is the big thing about Jolly West and Manson is that Jolly West allegedly taught Manson how to use psychedelics and manipulate people. And oftentimes when Manson was with the family, apparently he pretended to take LSD and they all took it. And then he would

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1574.374

Yes.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1608.641

They visited him in prison. Oh, yeah. This is why I think he's a part of it. I think they've recognized in prison, like, look, you got two choices. You could be in jail for the rest of your fucking life or we can work for you. We think you're brilliant.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1620.289

We think you're an amazing mind of untapped talent, and you pray to this narcissist ego, and you start telling him things, and the next thing you know, he's out there in the street working for you like a little hoe.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1656.065

100%.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1656.205

And I think hypnosis is real. Acid is real. And then the techniques that they've developed over decades of fucking with people with these drugs, they know what to do.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

169.485

Who was on the fucking Warren Commission. Bingo. Gerald Ford as his VP. So Gerald Ford becomes the first ever non-elected president. He slips in. He becomes president for kind of a bullshit term. Does a whole bunch of war party things and just a whole bunch of bullshit. And we decide that Nixon was the real problem with the country.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1725.561

It's just so hard to believe that people are that evil, but they have been throughout history. They are. It's weird. It's like we'll look back on the Victorian era or we'll look back on the – the man-boy love of the Socrates era. We'll go, that's just back then. We've evolved now. We don't do that anymore.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1745.807

But when they've identified specific aspects of traumatic past that they can use these particular victims of trauma, of childhood trauma, and take them and turn them into weapons, that's so wild. But that's... That is an asset, right?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1764.678

If you've got someone who's so fucking crazy, you could talk to them and get them to do things and give them acid and get them to Sirhan Sirhan levels or whatever the fuck they did to Jack Ruby. UFC 313 is back in Vegas. It won't be paradise for one of the light heavyweights in the main event.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

18.775

Why do we love conspiracy so much? Because I fucking love them. Dude. I love them. I love finding out the dirty little tactics and secrets and how the government does things and what the fuck's really going on.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1899.856

And I think that's one of the more fascinating things about the fact that this is a weird time for uncovering federal corruption. And I think they're in real trouble because I don't think they can use their phones. I don't think they can do the things that they used to be able to do. That's a good point. And I don't think they're united. I hadn't thought about that. This is what I think.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1922.47

There's rats in that ship. Oh, yeah. There's rats in that ship. And I think everybody's scared, and everybody's worried that people are wearing camera buttons.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1934.054

And they're all selfish fucks, so they're all for themselves. So they probably demonstrated that all throughout these relationships they've had with other people. So nobody trusts anybody.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1943.257

And you can't use your phone. Nope. You can't use your email. You probably can't even talk with Alexa in the house.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1968.648

Do you have a crazy phone or do you use your regular phone?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

197.427

Oh, yeah. Dick Cheney.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

1975.013

That's when you've reached the next level of conspiracy. When you get a de-Googled phone that doesn't have 5G, you'll use 4. Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

200.308

Dick Cheney. Dick Cheney. Everybody. Mike Pence. It was the hidden secret that, well, Pence is a, I don't think.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2004.214

Well, you're also serving a function, like a service for people, because what you're doing is you are taking all the time to find all this open source and then putting it out there. Yeah. And you're really thorough about it. You say, this is what I know. I try to be. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I get shit wrong all the time. You start doing this thing with your hand above your head. People steal that now.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2022.122

Yeah. Have you noticed that?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2024.823

Well, it's your hand. The way you do it, though, with your hand.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2041.573

Why is it out?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2050.246

So you started pointing out things like this. I haven't gone all the way to doing this at the screen yet, but... But I see a lot of people that are doing exactly your way. So that's why they're doing it.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

206.85

I have no idea. I think he was good to get the fucking, the religious people.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2075.105

You're talking to captain controlled opposition over here. I know, dude. People think that I'm controlled opposition. That whole term is funny because there's got to be real controlled opposition. That's why it's a term.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2088.338

It's crazy out here. It's a valid strategy. But I think you could figure it out after a while.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

212.153

Weird guy.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2126.156

The exact same thing when no one was listening. Exactly. He was on the public radio. Yeah. Alex has been saying, he's been talking about this stuff since the nineties. And I've known him since. Ninety... I guess I met him in 99? Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2152.219

The first video of his that really woke me up was the video he did on the World Trade Organization protests in Seattle. Yeah. When he showed that there was these groups of masked men who dressed in military uniforms with military... Military issue shoes.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

216.515

He's an animal.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2169.249

They all had the same shit on and they all ran around in this peaceful protest for the World Trade Organization and started smashing things and lighting things on fire and creating chaos, which allowed the police to then move in. Then these people all hold up in one house. They negotiate with the police and they were all released.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2190.514

Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2194.497

Yeah. Well, it sounds like Patriot Front, which just went under. They went under the day after. For real? Yeah, you didn't know? After USAID was cut? No, right after Cash Patel gets in. Okay. Cash Patel got in.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2205.145

Let's go.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2205.545

Pull that up. Pull that up. Let's go. Because there's a video of Patriot Front and me and Matt Taibbi, I go... They're feds. It's me yelling, where's the fat people? They're all wearing the same uniform. I saw that clip. One guy's got a fucking drum. Get the fuck out of here. These are feds. These are feds. The day after Kash Patel gets in, they disband.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2262.202

Here's a possibility other than blackmail. Negotiation. Well, that's always a factor. But instead of blackmail, if you are a government and you have information on someone who is an asset or someone who is very wealthy and this person is a, hey, motherfucker, like, what are you doing? You're 26 times wealthy. How about you shut the fuck up from here out. No more Trump's Hitler. Cut it out.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2292.832

How about you say that we did a good job every now and again. Give us a little credit. Let's work something out here. It's not necessarily blackmail as much as it's negotiation. I would argue that's indistinguishable. Right. Unless you're getting money too. Like, you know, I know.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2315.722

Okay. But what if it goes the other way? What if the wealthy person contacts them and says, listen, I can make things very good for you. I can do this. I can do that. If I go to jail, this is not helping anybody.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2380.822

Well, for sure, throughout history, there have been pedophiles. That's a fact. For sure, some pedophiles get to prominent positions of power. That's a fact, right?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2395.387

Jimmy Savile in fucking England. That should put it out to bed for anybody. Prince Andrew. Bill Gates. Sandusky. Allegedly. I don't know about him. I never heard that. But Sandusky I've heard.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

240.951

But here's the thing about theories and stuff. There's so many things that are so weird that you would think, wait a minute, this can't be real. This is fake. Yep. And then it's connected to real life events in some sort of a way that you would think there's a conspiracy. Like here's one of my favorites is Little Baron Trump's. Yeah, dude. I just got the book. It just came in the mail. Insane.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2415.124

Weren't they... Were they all underage? Were some of them... No, not at all.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2421.17

Right. So some of them were in their 20s. Like one girl who was complaining, or I shouldn't say complaining. That's very mild. One girl who... Alleging. Alleging that she was 20 at the time, she was saying. Yeah. So...

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2436.023

Just because someone has been to the island and has been compromised right doesn't necessarily Mean that they've been compromised with underage people, but I think there's a specific group that wants underage people Oh 100% right yeah in the reason why I say this is not a conspiracy theory It has been that way throughout history there are of history many many many conspiracies that have been uncovered and criminal investigations have found that people were trafficking children and

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2463.735

It's been done. So this is not like vampires. No, no. We're not talking about werewolves.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2476.91

We know there are pedophiles. That's a real thing. We know there are psychos who get very wealthy and want specific things. Yeah. Look, there's people that drink rhino horn tea. Exactly. Why do they drink rhino horn tea? Because the rhino is so endangered. It's so gangster to have rhino horn.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2496.428

Exactly.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2555.209

But the thing about these really wealthy, high profile people, and Eric Weinstein was highlighting this to me once. He was saying- Smart dude. I like him. Very smart dude. And he wasn't making any accusations at all, but he was just talking overall. He goes, I think there are people out there that can facilitate experiences for discrete clients. And it's very valuable.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2583.332

Like, look at the guy who gave Epstein that house in Manhattan. He gave him. You mean Leslie Wexner? Yeah, the guy from Victoria's Secret. Oh, dude. He gave him a $60 million mansion.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2607.457

When you find out that people who worked at Nickelodeon are pedophiles, you go, oh.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2614.667

Right. If you're going to be a pedophile. Wouldn't you go be around kids, like if you could be, and sneak around? Okay, wouldn't you think that Sacha Baron Cohen thought he had exposed pedophile ring while filming Who Is America? Oh, that's right. That's right. I forgot about that.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2643.366

Exactly.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

265.23

Have you read it?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2651.093

Yeah, O'Keefe.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

268.691

I should buy the book before it gets bought out.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2711.173

Really?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2713.855

What happened with him and Project Veritas?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2727.182

The conspiracy drama. There's drama inside the drama industry.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2731.664

There's drama in the drama class.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

275.054

And then how about the Werner Von Braun one about a guy named Elon that takes us to Mars? Werner Von Braun, the fucking Nazi who ran Operation Paperclip and became the head of NASA.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

2778.055

I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Oh, like where advertisers all pull out to try to tank you, like what they tried to do to Elon? Exactly. I don't know. They do it strategically. I think it was done to both probably, but I don't know. But I think the first one, the first one that they did it on, I think it was Breitbart.

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I think Breitbart was on this like super rapid upward trajectory and they just completely tanked the revenue. Was it Breitbart or is it, do you remember Jamie? Who was talking to us about that the other day? Was it Chase Hughes? Who was it?

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Might have been Mike Benz.

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It sounds like Mike Benz. I can see that.

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Okay. Breitbart Plus lost 90% of its advertisers in two months. That's what it is. Yeah. Who's still there? So this is the Washington Post making it seem like this is a normal thing. Oh, look, they lost all their advertising. People pulled out because they're full of shit. It's just another frame game. No, they all coordinated to try to boycott them and kill them.

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It's just that now everyone is a it's it's fucking Pelosi and Schumer and All these different people there's 12 of them now.

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That's a novel. About a guy named Elon that takes us to Mars. And even Elon saw that and he's like, is this real? Like you would think. There's no way.

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I've got to have my own creative control.

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And it's like, whoa, dude, calm down. Yeah, you've gone too far. Well, then when you see that documentary on Q, you realize what kind of people you're dealing with.

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That is true, but I think HBO let this guy uncover this story accurately. I believe it.

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Yeah, it's like a multi-part, and it shows all the people that were involved in it, and it kind of highlights a guy who seems to be Q, who is kind of an internet shit poster, fucking around. When 4chan was in its heyday, back when all that shit was going down, it's ripe for that kind of nonsense.

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Do you think stuff like Pizzagate, when they had that guy come in and fire up that shot, I felt like that was a great way to put a halt to all the looking into the Podesta emails. That's exactly what that was. Because then all of a sudden it's a kook thing. Now it's a crazy person and a dangerous person because he's got a gun. You're causing dangerous people to take their guns.

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Welcome. Dude, very nice to meet you.

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Because if you read those emails. Exactly right. Those emails are bananas. And they're not explained. They're talking about young kids who are going to be coming to a party to have fun. They'll be in the pool and they will be there for sure.

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The whole thing is like very weird.

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Yeah, how would we know? And the whole UAP thing, boy, you want to find a cauldron of bullshit. That's the cauldron. Do you know who's got the best take on it? It's Jacques Vallée. I'm in the middle of my third book of his right now. I'll tell you what it's called. Yeah, I should read some. He's the best.

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Right. So as soon as you can discredit that, you discredit the whole thing.

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Back in the Dizzee. And that's what got me into wondering about the Clintons. Because that guy died. They found his body where there was less blood at the scene that was missing from his body. And the gun was still in his hand.

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The gun was in his hand. The gun's never in your hand.

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I'm glad you brought up Epstein because there was a point that I was going to make earlier that I forgot. The Epstein situation is identical to the Manson situation.

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Yeah. Explain what you mean. This is why.

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I mean the structure. The structure of how you would put it, like if you were going to use an intelligence asset to do something evil, to do something where you can get dirt on people or compromise people or accomplish an objective, you would get someone who's already fucked up. Oh, 100%. And then you get that fucked up person and you help them run this cult or you help them get girls.

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Like if he wasn't personally a pervert, it wouldn't work. Oh, not a chance. No. Like think about, like the guy gets arrested for having sex with underage girls or getting them to do happy endings or whatever, wherever he did. So he gets arrested. And then the real weird thing is that he just gets out and gets like house arrest. Yep. And he gets like a little slap on the wrist.

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And then he's back in action with all these rich people again.

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Like really rich, influential people like Bill Gates is hanging out with him after he's already been arrested and convicted. Oh, yeah. Like, that's bananas. But to your point about them. But he's got to already be fucked up. He can't be like a straight edge, regular guy with a family and children that is just evil. No, you got to have him in on the thing.

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So if you got a guy you know is already a freak. You know he's already a nut and he's already like doing blow and fucking hookers all the time and maybe he's been caught with a few underage girls.

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It was teaching at one point.

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What's your qualifier there? I'm on this one, Confrontations. Which is one of a three-part series of human interactions that have been documented with some sort of an invader from some other dimension or planet or whatever the fuck it is. He... Is the most irrational. He's the most analytical. He's the least likely to buy into horseshit, but not dismissive.

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No. What year was that?

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Oh, we got to come back to that.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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So the FBI in New York guy had to step down, right? Yeah. They were saying they're withholding files. Yeah. So the Pam Bondi's office said that they just got thousands of files.

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We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. I've been saying that I'm like Charlie Brown with Lucy in the football.

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You know, when she pulls the football away every time he thinks he's going to get to kick it and he goes falling on his ass.

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I've watched a lot of her stuff online, though.

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But don't we need it for rock solid proof? Sort of. Don't we need the flight locks?

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Do we have all of them?

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Really? All of them?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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And do we have flight logs with destinations? Yeah. So we know who went to the island.

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But I was saying about the Victoria's Secrets, if you're a pedophile, you want to work with kids. If you're a freak... What do you do? You get in the underwear business.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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That's like the critical balance, right? Yes. Well, he's the guy that they modeled the French scientist in Close Encounters of the Third Kind after. So he's been in this game since the 60s investigating these things.

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A little bit. Is he joking around? No. Like, oh, I'm possessed by a demon that just wants more and more. I just want to be successful.

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We'll find it. I want to read that.

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One Nation Under Blackmail by Whitney Webb.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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That's exactly the source. He says, and now perhaps it's time to reintroduce Leslie Wexner's D-book. The demon that always wakes up in the morning with Wexner and tweaks and pulls at him. When he was a boy, his father called it tumble, a churning. So he feels molten and unformed, pricked by the spiritual pins and needles. He met this demon again when he was 40 and already worth half a billion.

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when he climbed the mountain in front of the house in Vail and almost froze to death and decided to change his life. This demon he calls Terminal Schwilkies, which makes him wander from house to house, repeating the pattern of his childhood on a luxurious scale, wanting more, swallowing companies larger than his own. It is precisely the reason that Wexner...

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has a billion and doesn't stop at, say, five million in a new Mercedes every other year, and what he calls normal life. Bridge on Wednesdays and Bar Mif is on Saturdays and the winding hollow country club in Columbus, which is like Buckingham Palace to him when he was 15. Yeah.

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That's well covered you did a good job of covering your bases there.

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Yeah, which is also fast.

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The same way USA does it with NKUltra.

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It's like, why won't you have me on? I genuinely really appreciate it.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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And it's like, maybe they're all reptiles. I don't know, man. He went too far in time where there was no internet. Yeah. You know, he went too far.

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I'm not saying necessarily him, but it's a little bit of a grift.

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And they can do it without being directly connected.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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I was a conspiracy theorist way back in the day when you were a fucking nut.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Just like the USAID thing.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Whoa.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Oh, yeah, dude. So that was 33. So in 33, it was still going on like that. And he was waking up to it as he was leaving his military career. Pull that up, Jamie.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

4501.88

Oh, yes, I do. The Nazi coup? Yeah, he wanted to take over the country.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Right, but not that he wanted to. All the industrialists wanted to. They wanted him to be a part of taking over the country.

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Look at this quote. I spent 33 years in active military service, and during that period, I spent most of my time as a high-class muscle man for big business. for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. Smedley Butler, 1935.

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There's a bunch of stuff that's clickbait horseshit, for sure. Or at least there's probably nothing there. Yeah. I've been trying to wrap my mind around the idea of quantum computing. It's exciting, but complex and difficult to understand. What I do know is that quantum computers can process exponentially more data than the ones you and I use every day. Quantum computers...

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Oh, yeah, and it's still going on to this day. And the general public hasn't even had a whisper of this. Like, the average... Normie, probably four years ago, five years ago. When did this start making it into the zeitgeist? Obviously in films.

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And doge. Yeah.

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But you need someone who's... pretty balls out. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't know about that because I used to think. Well, listen, I think there's definitely some manipulation of voting. Okay, I'll say that. Oh, yeah, that's the Holy Grail. You can't say it. Yeah, I say it. I say it because I think, listen, at some level, for sure. Now, let's talk about the Hunter Biden laptop. Now, when you have 51 former intelligence agents

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Claiming that this is Russian disinformation, and then you have the government getting it removed, Twitter complying, you can't even post a link for the fucking New York Post. Yep. The second oldest newspaper in the country, right? Legitimate newspaper. When the FBI had had the laptop already. Right. So that... in the time of an election is election interference. Straight up.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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So that is manipulation of voting.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Then you have another obvious portal, which is California and New York won't even allow you to show your ID when you vote. Yep. There's only one reason why you would do that, because you want people voting that shouldn't be voting, and you want it to count because you want to win.

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also put a new strain on the world of digital privacy and cybersecurity. They may one day crack encryption algorithms that we currently consider secure. That's why ExpressVPN upgraded their encryption to use ML K-E-M, the strongest available protection from post-quantum threats. With ExpressVPN, all your online activity is rerouted through secure encrypted servers.

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Well, I think the Trump administration very quickly, within the first couple weeks, found 90,000 of them. I don't know what the number is now. I haven't seen that. Yeah, see if you can find that. I would love to see that. Well, they started looking. I know, right? The first administration is like, I don't know where it is. Holy shit, let's close the border and... Well, we can't close the border.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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That's wrong. Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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I didn't know about that either.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Did you know that also before the election, all the border materials were for sale? Yep. They sold the border materials.

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They said it was like throwing gold off the Titanic.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

4910.63

Okay, that can make sense. But I think the Trump administration accounted for quite a few of them.

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You're not going to find them on BBC.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

4920.395

Yeah, so I work... So don't put that Trump administration finds missing kids. Try that. Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

4952.951

Listen to what it says there. A Trump administration is allegedly located between 75,000, 80,000 of the 300,000 missing migrant children, according to Harris Faulkner of Fox News. This is without a link to a source. Trust me, bro. I understand. But Google Harris Faulkner of Fox News. I would love for that to happen.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

5033.453

Yeah, that's a big factor that people need to be aware of is purposeful misinformation that gets inserted into a narrative to make that narrative ridiculous. Yeah. Yep.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I think Flat Earth was someone did that as a goof, and then they couldn't believe how much it took. Yeah, right? But if you can speak well, and you're articulate, and you have compelling things that you're saying, and there's no counter, there's no scientist going, stop, stop, stop. We can show you in fucking 10 minutes that the Earth is round. Everything in the sky is round.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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The Earth is the only thing that's not round? Yeah. You know, the weirdness of it is how much people want to believe that everything's bullshit. Yeah. And so you could trick a certain number of people. I mean, I get why.

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Dude, I talked to people about it back then. Right. And they thought it was the funniest thing ever. Yeah. Because Alex Jones was like, yeah, I'm telling you, there's a fucking island. They take him to an island. Yeah. They get them fucked up on drugs. There's more than one island, too. There's been a few islands. Yeah, you think that's the only place they do that? No, no, no.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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I was arguing with people about the moon landing on the radio before there was any podcasts.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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There's probably some super secret place in China that they all go to. Oh, yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Really hilarious. Is the blue and on Twitter people. Oh, dude. The kooky ones who are like, yeah, you're going to go after the cartel. Good luck. Yeah. Good luck. The greatest military force the world has ever known versus drug runners. Are you out of your fucking mind?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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No no no I had my friend Evan Hafer on here from black rifle coffee And he was talking about like do you understand the kind of like these are very capable people no doubt dinner can't stand the kind of ultra violence that they will experience if they let these You know fucking SEAL team guys go after the cartel people because those are proud Americans that have been itching to defend our nation like they have been itching for the ability to actually do something meaningful and

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

5168.965

And that's also the place where, look, Afghanistan doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Oh, it was an opium operation. Right, right. Oh, yeah, that too. We can get to that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

5177.91

Oh, yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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But it doesn't make sense that we would send troops over there. It makes sense that we would send troops after the cartels. Absolutely. If you think about the amount of death that occurs in the United States because of fentanyl overdoses, where you have tainted drugs that are coming in across the border and killing people left at unprecedented levels.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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My whole generation was devastated by it. Everyone today knows someone who died of an overdose. Everyone does. That was very uncommon when I was in high school.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

5218.79

That painkiller documentary on Netflix is fucking fat. Or the docudrama series.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

5262.36

I wonder what's going to happen with that. Because they did declare them a terrorist organization. Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

5303.414

Propaganda can be bad. There was people shipped off to Guantanamo who were definitely innocent. A hundred percent. And did time and got released. Oh, yeah. You want to radicalize someone? Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

5360.07

We used to. Don't you think that over the last four years, COVID was probably the biggest wake-up call ever for people? Oh, yeah. I mean, it was my wake-up call.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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You just didn't think about that shit. No, I thought about shit, but I was pretty much a leftist. Totally. Totally. And then I was like, oh, this is fake. Yep.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

5415.953

Well, also you're controlling all the universities if you have the leftists. Bingo. You have the narrative that you essentially program the culture as it then leaves the universities and enters into the workforce.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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But we were talking about this with Jordan Peterson where people were saying, what is the big deal? This is like 2015, 2016 when Jordan Peterson first – and when Brett Weinstein first started emerging. Yeah. And before that, I was talking about these crazy things that were going on in universities and people were like, why are you paying attention to these fringe things that kids are doing?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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I'm like, they're going to graduate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

5453.37

These are the people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

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These aren't the people who 30 years ago were studying in school, trying to figure out what career to get into. No, they want to change the world with activism now. Everyone wants to be an activist in every job you take. Everything you take is supposed to enact social justice. Yep.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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That is supposed to be your – and then you're given this as, like, your social credit system when you're in the universities. And then you leave. Like, I still want to be the good person. I still want to be the person that everybody applauds. I will do the right thing. I will say the right things. And then you get DEI in the workforce. Like, oh, great. It's all here now. We're all together.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

5495.1

Mm-hmm.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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You're on a good team now. You're on a team.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

5542.694

Over and over and over again. And there's all these explanations. Well, there was a construction site. Let me tell you something about construction sites. Bricks are fucking expensive. They don't leave bricks laying around like that because people would steal them and take them to their construction sites. That shit happens all the time.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

5557.946

If you leave copper piping on a construction site overnight, people just steal that shit.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

556.47

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

5563.709

Yes.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

5575.374

Well, Chase Hughes was talking about that when he was talking about COVID. Like, what are the ways you can clearly see that something is a psyop? First, you're not allowed to question anything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

5584.957

100%.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Yeah, it's a perfect thing that a foreign company or a foreign government would do to the United States in order to ruin us. And this is what Yuri Bezmenov talked about in the 1980s. Bingo. That's such a formative speech to watch. That speech is crazy. Everyone should watch that speech.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

5701.232

What's fun, though, is when they try to spin a narrative to try to cover up their tracks, and it just winds up exposing more people to what's actually going on. One of my favorite ones was when Geraldo Rivera was in Afghanistan going through the poppy fields with the United States military guarding the poppy fields. I don't think I've seen this.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

5725.203

It's amazing. It's amazing because he's in full propaganda gaslight mode. And he's explaining why it's important to protect these poppy fields because these farmers- This is their livelihood. We're protecting them from the Taliban. These poor farmers. We have to help these people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

5747.698

So he's literally talking to this officer in front of the poppy fields. You see these guys- That's crazy. U.S.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

5755.003

Play this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

5762.168

Let's go. This morning. We're going to head to Afghanistan. The Taliban is using it to intimidate the population. Good morning to you, Geraldo. Tell us what you've seen during your days there in Afghanistan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

5931.723

Direct one-to-one, dude. the pharmaceutical grade prescribed opioid crisis in America as it goes up. And then you see at one point in time, Afghanistan was responsible for 94% of the world's opium. Bingo. There's the stat. While we are occupying. Now it's Myanmar, which also just went through a military coup.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

595.53

Which isn't a very popular vacation destination.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

5972.151

That's so crazy. I mean, like I was learning before that. You've done so well. You must be a plant. I know, right? You must be some sort of an operative. I'm a massage agent. You're just good at it. Just, you know, if you're good at it, if you're Whitney Webb or if you're you or any of those people.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

5998.858

Also not being afraid to seem foolish to the uninformed. Absolutely. Because so many people will dismiss most of what we've talked about today offhand. Yeah. Yeah. Without any, especially people that only consume the Wall Street Journal and mainstream media.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

6020.851

So you know how they think.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

6047.767

Exactly, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

6086.288

You do a very good job of citing your sources and telling people where to look if they want to find out more information about it too because a lot of it is a real big deep dive. It's the most important part by far. It's like unless you're you, unless you're a person who does it for a living, like the amount of time that it takes to find out about this stuff.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6102.562

And then even you, who's been in for two years doing this, like there's decades of layers you need to uncover. And it'll take forever. Like Whitney Webb's been doing it for how long?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2284 - Ian Carroll

6111.59

Alex Jones has been in the game for 30 plus years.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6114.092

Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6147.423

Have you ever looked in the Oklahoma City bombing?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

615.245

Me? Yeah. I can't shut the fuck up. Because there's shit underneath that island. No doubt. For sure, dude. There's got to be something on that island that's incriminating. And also, what's in the walls? What's in the walls of the buildings? I would get into the wiring. I'd bring in pros. Oh, yeah. I'd be like, tell me what the fuck's going on. What's under the dirt? I'd scan the fucking floors.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6154.49

That's a good one. First of all, the amount of damage to the building is not something that you would get from a fertilizer bomb. And the way a fertilizer bomb would work in front of the building, that building's blown out. Exactly. And the FBI was retrieving unblown bombs from the building. Interesting. Yeah. Not only that, the whole Timothy McVeigh thing is fucking wild.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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When you go down the rabbit hole and start looking into it, it seems like a false flag. Or it seems like someone else planted bombs inside that building and they blamed it on this fertilizer bomb.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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They passed different gun laws and different laws afterwards.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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All the spying. Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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All these things. Incredible amounts of control and surveillance now gets used on the population.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6227.021

For sure the Saudis were involved, right? I mean a lot of the people were Saudi a lot of the people were Saudi I don't know if that necessarily means that the Saudi government had writing to do that could mean It was just people that were recruited by another organization that were with the Saudis. What do you think happened at Tower 7?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6246.866

That's a weird one, right? Because you find out what's in there?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6262.819

Maybe it's information about the trillions of dollars that was missing that Donald Rumsfeld talked about the day before 9-11. So he gives a press conference in front of the Pentagon. Was it the Pentagon? Is that what it was?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6278.271

So he gives this press conference. This press conference, he says there's trillions of dollars they can't account for. And everybody's like, what the fuck? The very next day, 9-11 happens. And in one of the buildings where they store data, that building mysteriously implodes like a controlled demolition. Like no building has ever collapsed ever just because of fire.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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And structural damage for sure, but it's the way it collapses.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6315.036

Right. It's all real weird. At the very least, if that was my building, I'd be like, I'm suing. You guys made a shit building.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6330.103

But you would take out insurance against terrorism because that place had already been the victim of a bombing. It had been. I mean, that was in the Biggie song. Blow up like the world trade. Classic move.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Yeah, LIDAR the ocean floor and the surrounding miles. Also, he's dead. So if he ever fucking hid some shit-

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6421.38

They really fucked up with that one. Well, I think they thought they had us. They thought they did. All the people that are in power are operating on a paradigm that existed before the internet. Exactly.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6450.405

No, I've heard of it. Exactly. I've heard of it. I just haven't seen it. But I was so balls deep in the COVID thing that I didn't want to see anything more because it was me.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6461.511

Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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The smear campaign against me, though, was so eye-opening. When you know that something's not true that's being said on CNN over and over and over again. About yourself. About yourself. And then they take your face and they make you green. It's... He's taking horse piss. It was so crazy to watch and to be a part of that. It was like, wow, I'll never trust again.

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Cause now I know you guys are full of shit.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6507.434

Not only that, I said a bunch of stuff I took. They only locked on to this horse pace thing.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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But imagine they ignored all the other stuff I took. I said I took IV vitamins. I took prednisone. I took Z-Pak. I took monoclonal antibodies.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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A treatment.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Causes kidney failure.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6569.615

In mine as well. Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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No, I was very skeptical about him before I read that book because they had done a great job of connecting him to fringe conspiracies and making him look like a kook. He's the one Kennedy that's out of his mind.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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And he had been spending time talking about mercury poisoning because he was an environmental attorney. And he had successfully sued all these corporations that were dumping into rivers. He cleaned up the East River. I mean, he did so much great work as an environmental attorney. that people forget about because they did such a good job. And again, this is before social media and the internet.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6618.333

You could do a great job of smearing someone and making them look nuts. Remember Jenny McCarthy? They smeared the shit out of Jenny McCarthy because she was suggesting that her child changed after her child was vaccinated. And her child got autism. Bingo. And this is when they were doing the multi-vaccines in one day and dosing kids up.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

663.883

Well, sort of. They did two autopsies. Well, they did the initial examination of the body was in Dallas, and then they flew it to Bethesda. The thing about that is, and this is a part of David Lifton's book, Best Evidence, which made me become a conspiracy theorist. I've never read it. It's fucking great.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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And they made her look like a fucking idiot and they removed her from... Hollywood. She essentially got blacklisted.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6649.163

The thing about that one is we all would agree. I would have agreed. If you got a hold of me six years ago and asked me about vaccines, they're one of the most important inventions in chemistry. And then you read, have you ever read Dissolving Illusions? No. Read that book.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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All of those diseases had dropped off because of sanitation and nutrition.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6673.26

Yeah, they all had dropped off. And then the vaccines come along.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6679.323

Which is an infection that everyone got when I was a kid. And what happened was you'd get sick for a few days and then you'd be immune for life. Yep. Yeah. And they're making it look like everyone's dying from measles. Like, no, if you're dying from measles, you're sick.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6694.813

You're already compromised, which is exactly what happened with COVID, where 90 fucking plus percent of the people who died had four plus comorbidities. Yep.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6757.665

Also, you have complete immunity to liability.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6769.255

This is the Reagan administration, right? Exactly.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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They've got to stop that. You can't just give people immunity because then they lie. They lie so they can sell more stuff. Exactly. And then they get caught like they did with Vioxx and they only pay a percentage of the profits. Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6838.132

Yeah, and they've already paid everybody off so that they get preferable treatment. And this is exactly what happens to the pharmaceutical drug companies. When they get caught, they just pay fines. They don't go to jail. They killed 50,000, 60,000 people with Vioxx.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

685.519

And David Lifton, who is an accountant, they gave him, I forget what the project was, but it was something to do with the Warren Commission report. So this guy is like a serious bookworm. He read the entire Warren Commission, which fucking nobody does. And it's like 9,000 pages. That's a superpower. Being able to read like that. Exactly. And find contradictions over and over and over again.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6854.68

And they have the media because they sponsor the media.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6875.538

Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6881.662

The idea that they're not is crazy. Yeah. The idea that you're going to have 94% of the world's opium and you're just going to ignore it while you're occupying the country with the military force and guarding the fields. Shut the fuck up.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

6893.83

Right.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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That's the reason why his name.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Which is also what they did with crack cocaine in Los Angeles. Bingo. With Freeway Ricky Rolls.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7015.306

Yeah. As well as a few other places. That Tom Cruise movie where they get a call from the governor. Bingo.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7038.664

Yeah. It's wild. Dude. And these are just one of thousands of stories like this. Yep. Thousands and thousands of stories.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7066.428

I've had him on three times. Yeah?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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I had him on recently.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7070.81

He's selling weed in LA now, legally.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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He's like, this is horseshit. This whole thing is horseshit. And then he found out that Kennedy's brain was missing when it got all the way to Bethesda. He found out that the Dallas doctors said that the neck wound was an entry wound. And then the ones in Bethesda turned it into a tracheotomy hole. It was a bullet hole. He got shot. You could see him go like that.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7082.435

Yeah, illiterate the whole time. Yeah, learned how to read in jail, became a lawyer in jail. No shit. And then realized that the three strikes law had been inaccurately applied to him.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7094.245

Yeah. That's crazy, dude. They applied it to one specific event. It's supposed to be you get arrested three different times for three felonies.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7116.744

Yeah, crazy. There's so many of these things. It's like the idea of a conspiracy theory being a ridiculous fringe thing doesn't hold water anymore. It's like the Jimmy Dore skit. It's like, reading? Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7129.895

you mean reading you should try it jimmy's the best i love jimmy he was just here he just filmed his new special at the mothership yeah jimmy's the best i love him to death i've known him from from comedy just from comedy from back in the day yep and then when he was at young turks when he was a leftist yep and then which he really still holds all those same values no he holds

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7163.001

But a lot of them have just gone insane. Taibbi's another one. Taibbi's great. I love Taibbi. There's people who didn't cave. But boy, did they get fucking attacked. Boy, did they have a lot of pressure. It's like... It's so hard to know what's real in the world.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7177.313

And unless you have Schellenberger, unless you have Glenn Greenwald, unless you have those people out there that are risking their neck, they're sticking their neck out there to tell you exactly what's going on. This is what funded it. This is how it started. Don't let them say any differently. We made an agreement with Russia. We did this. NATO did that. This is what's going on. Can't be bought.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7197.628

And there's... It's so important and they rise now. There's so many of them now and they're coming. It's becoming much more mainstream and if you look at some of their videos, it's millions of views and then you find that MSNBC is getting a fraction of that. And they're, you know, corporate funded, enormous, huge organizations with staff. And now they're hemorrhaging people.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7225.745

They got fired. They can't say left because they didn't want to leave. They got kicked out.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7254.867

Yeah, it's really fascinating. It's a fascinating time. And I think it's good for humans. Oh, yeah. It's good for the human race. And there's going to be a lot of bullshit out there. There's a lot of stuff that's not true, but that's okay, too. You'll figure it out. Well, the truth will rise. There's too many people that are telling the truth.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7273.202

And there's too much that's undeniable that once you start reading, you start questioning it.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7296.391

A lot of roads lead back to Columbus, Jamie. Oh, yeah. And it's all because of Leslie Wexner.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7308.197

I'm with you on that. It's wild how many of these. And again, before the internet, this is how they did business. This is why it's so sloppy. It's because before the internet, you didn't have to cover your tracks. You could get away with this stuff.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

737.509

Yeah, I'm really curious to hear yours. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think he got shot in the head at the same time from two different directions. That's a good theory, honestly. Because there's a bit of spray that goes forward, which is not – Things are weird when you hit them with bullets. People have shot people in the head and the bullets come out their eye.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7393.598

Well, you have to also have to have a particular knack for it. And you have to be really interested in these things.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Very, actually, totally, completely interested in it.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7413.528

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you've seen that with a lot of podcasters where they start off and then they fall off.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7425.174

And you have to actually be locked in with what you're talking about because if you're not, there's too much competition. There's too many people that are locked in. Yup. Okay, what do you think is going on with the whole UAP thing? Dude, I love this fucking conversation. I love this fucking conversation.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7441.025

I never get tired of it.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7473.86

No, I don't think so. You should read The Big Toe, Theory of Everything. It's very bizarre stuff. Very hard to swallow. You got to go back and listen to it multiple times. I like that kind of shit. I had him on the podcast, and at the end of it, I was like, we got to stop here. I have to think about everything you said, and then we'll bring you back, and we'll go deeper.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Because he wanted to keep going and go deeper and deeper. He's been listening. living in these realms.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7560.988

I had Kai Dickens on the podcast the other day, and she explained the whole thing. Like, provable. Hours and hours and hours of nonverbal autistic kids who have telepathy. Provable telepathy. Undeniable. That's crazy, dude. 100% accuracy. Wild. Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

757.086

Like it ricochets around the back of the skull.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

758.787

Like a 22 or something like that. Weird things happen when you shoot things. But some things are super consistent. And one thing that's super consistent is when you hit something, it goes in the direction that you hit it. So back into the left. Hicks used to talk about that all the time. Back into the left.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7594.24

That's how I take all of his answers about aliens. Yeah. Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7601.165

I don't ask him about it off air either.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7608.91

Also, he has top secret military clearance and he runs SpaceX. Bingo. Yeah. I wouldn't say jack shit. And that's where Flat Earth comes in.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

775.638

Making fun of the fact that this Zapruder film clearly showed that it wasn't a shot from the back. But the head goes spray, too. It goes spray like this back into the left. Can we see it?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7764.378

And I think some of them are ours. I agree. I think the cover-up is the weird part, though. It's like if you go back to Operation Blue Book, when they started doing that, the sole purpose of Operation Blue Book is to take any credible story and make it look ridiculous. And they talked about that openly. And then Hynek, when he left Operation Blue Book, became a believer.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7789.675

And started talking about UFOs being real. That's a big old red flag right there.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

78.647

Dude, I think even in the 60s they were compromised. Well, they were getting bought out. The big one is Woodward with the Watergate story. Oh, yeah. Did you see Bill Murray when I had Bill Murray in here?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7874.365

I don't want to spend all the time to try to vet you and find out where you came from and your story came from I'd way rather just learn there's so much to learn one of the weirdest things about Jacques Vallee's work is that Jacques Vallee has been Documenting this stuff again.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7887.049

It's like since I think the 50s or the 60s is when he started but he's also documented historical stories and the historical stories are You mean like from before modern times? Like 1700s, 1800s. And these stories are the same story. They're the same story. Not only that, in the 70s, he's documenting this woman that in California found an egg-shaped craft. In her yard.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7913.166

She tells this story about confronting this being. There's an egg-shaped craft. These fucking egg-shaped crafts all described by people who don't know that someone else has described this story.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7930.268

And it's also all telepathic communication. It's all like weird moments. Same stories. Lapse of time. Memories confused. You feel like your brain's been erased. Don't know what's going on. You find yourself in a field. How did I get here? There's a lot of weird shit that's like the same story over and over and over again. Too much so that you get... First of all...

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

795.613

Well, here's the thing about Lifton's book. He also documents how many witnesses were murdered. And it's astounding.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

7951.9

Clearly, when you're dealing with things in the 1700s and 1800s, it's not modern propaganda. It's not the government. They're not covering up drones in the 1700s. So why are these stories in the fucking Bhagavad Gita?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8007.456

Who knows what it is? Because of Jimmy Corsetti and his exposure of them planting those trees in Gobekli Tepe. Yeah. He changed it. Yeah, they're changing it. They're pulling those trees out. Because he was one of the first people to say, hey, those roots are going to damage these ruins. And they're like, no, no, no. It's fine. It's safe.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

802.248

All these witnesses, their cars got parked on railroad tracks, and they died of heart attacks when they were 30, and they got fucking shot in a robbery, and they committed suicide, gas, they fell asleep in their car. Man, Hillary Clinton sure got started early. Back into the left. Watch this. Watch the explosion.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8023.953

And then they're like, actually, the roots are damaging the ruins. Yeah.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8036.358

Zacharias Sitchin.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8061.715

They are fun.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8098.714

I think I just think that's the most fun aspect is how much we don't know well There's the evidence of ancient technology is one of the more fascinating aspects of trying to piece together our past because Whatever explanation you try to use to make the pyramids, none of them work. Nope. Not even close. None of them work. None of them work. None of them work.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8120.447

No.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8123.949

Energy. We've seen Christopher...

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8136.91

Chris Dowd, right? Christopher Dowd. So I've heard Christopher Dowd is done. Christopher Dunn. Sorry, Chris. Christopher Dowd is a different guy's last name. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I'm thinking of Mike Dowd from the seven to the documentary on the corrupt police department. So what's Dunn saying? Christopher Dunn is all about, well, he's an engineer, and his theory was that it was a giant power plant.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8158.09

And he has a very sophisticated gize of the power plant.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8165.855

He's talking about the physical structure of the way the pyramid was made and that there was, excuse me, This subterranean chamber that they used to generate like a pounding of vibration that went through the entire structure of the pyramid. It generated this vibration. And they had chemicals that were coming in that were producing hydrogen. He had the king's chamber, the way it's lined up.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8188.393

This is exactly how you do it if you were trying to do this. It's like everything matches up mathematically. It's fascinating.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8201.104

through these like stony kind of like porous rocky structures under there it's just there's so many interesting versions of what it could be at the very least it's a mystery and it's also a mystery that shows fantastic engineering and construction methods and the ability to move rocks and bring them from 500 miles away through the mountains that are 50 tons like how

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8237.421

I mean, look, if you're dealing with something that can come here from another planet, communicates telepathically, who knows? Who knows? Who knows? But even if it's human beings, let's say it's super sophisticated human beings that lived at the very least 4,500 years ago, because that's the conventional dating of the construction. Even that, you're like, how? Yeah, we can't do it today. How?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8259.956

And people that say we can't, sure, we could. It would take hundreds of years, right?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

827.928

It's like a cloud in the front, right? I mean, it could be that the top of his head exploded right there, and the force drives him back. It also could... There's another possibility, and the possibility is spontaneous nerve reaction of your body shutting down, which could cause you to go back into the left, even if you get shot in the front. But the thing is, the spray...

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8277.05

It's crazy. And the idea that they were completed in 20 years, which is the reign of Khufu. It's nonsense. And it's also like these archaeologists are so, they're clinging to this narrative because this is what they taught in school. This is what they wrote books about.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8314.46

I think they also have to somehow or another explain it because to say that it's impossible opens up too many doors and it removes the expert because you're not an expert anymore because you're one of us now. You might know more about that site than I do, but you still don't know what the fuck happened. So you have to claim or at least push it out there. You're the voice of reason.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8339.123

You're the voice of this is the actual historians. We're the real archaeologists. Don't worry. We've got it covered.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8362.778

Or it could be the asteroids that hit, or the comets that hit at the Younger Dryas impact area.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8373.926

Right, right. It could have. Could have been both at once, or across the period of a thousand years or something. Well, that's the Younger Drives Impact Theory. They think there was more than one event. They think there was an event around 11,800 years ago, and then again around 10,000 plus years ago. And this makes sense why civilization sort of emerges 6,000 years ago.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8392.062

Because it's like, we were probably fucking savages for thousands of years. We were probably monsters.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8402.752

Which is they found evidence of these massive underground structures that they can't explain. Why would someone use their resources in a time of hunters and gatherers to build these underground structures that are fucking insane? Like multiple football fields underground.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8433.218

Right.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8437.301

Right.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8439.343

Also, you'd have to leave to get food.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8441.345

You'd be trapped. The Mongols used to famously sit outside cities for weeks just waiting for people to starve. We'll just wait.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8514.432

Oh, it's a super important one to talk about, too. Well, you know, Elon talks about, like, there's an 80% chance that AI will save us, 20% chance that it will rule us.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8552.372

Yeah. Well, he had a lot of influence over scientists. That's a creepy move to take scientists and throw parties for. throw conventions for them.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

856.868

Or if you get shot in the back rather the spray looks like it's going forward like what's we'll watch when he gets hit See that. Yep. It's just weird, but that could be But the thing is there's not a bullet hole on the other side So that could be just the opening of the head and it's an explosion of blood that comes out Also, you have to realize he's probably bleeding internally already.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8592.326

Blackmail is not the only tool. That's a blunt instrument. There's a lot of just connections.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8686.772

Out of all the information that's getting disclosed, supposedly this administration, what do you have the least faith that we're going to come to a conclusion? Epstein, for sure.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8715.192

It was all an intelligence gathering.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8779.063

But if someone says to him that they're all working for a country in the Middle East, knowing he knows what that means but not specifying, doesn't he kind of have to repeat it that same way?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

881.44

He got shot in the neck So he gets shot here. There's probably blood spraying all over the place inside of his head. And then boom, he gets shot in the front of his head. But his head clearly goes back into the left. Like almost instantaneously. In a way that you would imagine if someone got hit like that. Watch this again. Boom, he gets hit.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

8921.327

And what's interesting is you can talk about this now post-October 7th.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

9050.761

It's the deep state of the intelligence agencies in Israel.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

9059.39

Right.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

908.968

Gone, right.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

91.236

Bob Woodward wrote Wired, which is about John Belushi. Bill Murray read five pages of it, and he said, holy shit, they framed Nixon. He said, the Bob Woodward story about Belushi was so full of shit. It was so exaggerated and fake and just filled with nonsense. He's like, John Belushi was a lightweight. He goes, John Belushi would drink three beers and he'd be drunk.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

911.651

I mean, like... It's definitely not a shot from behind because there's no entry wound in the back of his head. And if you're saying that that thing hit the front of his head or the side of his head from behind like that...

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

9115.714

Well, the thing is, Israel is connected to one race of people. Whereas the United States, which also is involved in a lot of really fucked up things all over the world, when people think about the United States, they don't think about it as one... Bingo.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Most people in the general public aren't even aware that the Israeli people were protesting against Netanyahu before October 6th. He's about to get kicked out. Hundreds of thousands of people in the streets, and that it had been going on for a long time. 100%.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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It's the exact same strategies. Did you see that? God, I wish I would remember where it was happening, where someone had to say, are we really sending the Taliban $40 million a week? Yeah. We were.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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And we've been doing it that way forever.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Well, and also people didn't really get serious about it until about 12 years after the assassination. So when Geraldo Rivera has Dick Gregory on his show, oh, what is this?

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Yeah. Enough. You freak me out. I'm the rest. I already blew the whole thing up, dude. Thank you very much, man.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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I can't believe what you said.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Very reasonable. Very reasonable in the way you do this, and I think it's a valuable service. So thank you very much. Thanks. It was a lot of fun, too. Thank you. It was very enjoyable. Tell everybody how they can find you.

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#2284 - Ian Carroll

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Let's just trust it, bro. It's fine. Boom. Oh, my goodness.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Hopefully, you're honorable about it and you discover you're incorrect and you fix your error, but we have to be able to talk freely. There's nobody who knows what the facts are so that they can tell us which things we're allowed to talk about any more than there's somebody in a position to tell us which speech is tolerable. This is sacrosanct. And so we have to have an end to censorship.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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The fourth pillar is that we have to return to a modality of truth-seeking. You can't have a system of universities or institutes or arms of the government that believe they have the right to lie to us for our own good. That leads to a very dark place. And so we have to replace that paternalistic anti-truth bent with a return to open truth-seeking. So that's the fourth one.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Fifth one is an end to lawfare. We've seen the radical abuse of the courts. Much of it amounts to election interference. So it is breaking down another one of the fundamental elements of a democratic society. It is making it impossible to elect the people we would choose to elect. We're being steered away. in a way that is intolerable.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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It's never going to be perfect, but you need to be able to create a record of what took place that has been exposed to some kind of analytical standard so that you can correct your course. If you don't know what happened, you can't improve on your thought process going forward. And that's extremely dangerous. It's like flying with a blindfold.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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And I would say the second component of our focus on lawfare is that we have to have elections that we can trust. Free and fair elections are obviously central to a democratic republic. And so that has to be enshrined in a way, in my personal opinion, this is not the opinion of the organizers of the event necessarily.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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But in my personal opinion, this is a place where the various states all coming up with their own mechanisms for voting is a problem. And I think actually we have to have a national conversation about how to hold elections that are transparent and verifiable. That seems like a minimum requirement. I think I'm on the... That was six. That was six. So the seventh pillar is financial freedom.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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So this is essentially about the danger of a central bank digital currency that we need to retain the capacity to be autonomous and we can't have tyranny inflicted on us through some sort of a social credit system system. that would be mediated through a central bank digital currency. There are two more, and these are out of order on the screen. Immigration industrial complex border policy.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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We need a rational border policy Obviously open borders don't make any sense Immigration is something that we need to decide what the right level is. We need to decide how to bring in people who actually want to be Americans and only at the rate that the civilization in question can absorb them and they can be part of this great experiment and And then the last one is... Injustice.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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No, that's lawfare. The last one is going to be... Where is it? Oh, development. Right, of course. The sovereignty of the family.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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We can't have a civilization in which the government is telling you that because your child said something that they think means that they are genderqueer, that they need to have medications and surgeries inflicted on them, and that it's not your right as a parent to say no. So those are the eight pillars. I think if people think about

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Those eight pillars and realize actually there's nothing to disagree with there, that reasonable people would all agree to these things because they're not in any way radical and that a unity movement built around these things is exactly where they want to be in an era where there's so much insanity being presented to us as the only way forward.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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hopefully they will gather with us on the Capitol mall on September 29th and show themselves. And really, I think if you had, you know, half a million people show up, that will make a pretty unambiguous statement.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Uh, in 2020. Yeah. I, um, initiated what I called the Unity 2020 movement, which I actually announced on your show under a different name. It was called the Dark Horse Duo before it became Unity 2020. And I still think it was the right idea. It was elegant in its construction so that it neutralized things by virtue of the balance of the plan. That's not what we're faced with now.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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But I do think, yeah, if I'm perfectly frank about it, I think unity was the right answer. It was the wrong moment for it to catch fire.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah, it was removed from Twitter.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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It was under false pretenses. What they said was that we had engaged in, what was their phrase? Something like inorganic behavior or inauthentic behavior, which was code for bots that they argued that we had used. We did an internal investigation to see if somebody had used them under our banner. It turned out there was no truth in it.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's the same trick as sending people with a swastika flag to the trucker march so that you can claim that they're Nazis.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah, it's organized. So... I don't know. I do think unity is the right message. I think this is exactly the moment at which people do come together because many people feel the jeopardy. I sincerely hope that what President Trump discovered when he brought Bobby Kennedy on board continues to grow in his mind because I think actually he has the potential to lead

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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a massive movement to restore the republic and make it function. And that would be, I think it would be wonderful for him. I think he would go down in history as Um, not the polarizing figure that people seem intent on turning him into, but, uh, he would go down in history as a galvanizing figure as really a refounder of the country.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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I know that will be hard for many people who have thought ill of him to swallow, but, um, The I don't know what you think, but the joining of the Trump campaign and and Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi and Tulsi Tulsi, who is, in fact, coming to our event. I will say Tulsi is coming. Jimmy Dore, Russell Brand will be there. Oh, you know who's going to be there? Who? Bobby Kennedy.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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He's not on the website yet, but he... Matt Taibbi?

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Join the resistance dot org is where you find it. And. Oh. Laura Logan will be present. And there are some folks. So, by the way, Bobby says hello. There are some other folks that we are negotiating with to see if we can get them there. Some very big names. I wish I could tell you.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah. But in any case, I can't emphasize enough how important it is that we make a strong showing. And the reason that it is important is because it will make it very difficult to sell the story that the enthusiasm simply drove Kamala Harris, who has yet to articulate anything like a vision into the White House. We need to make it clear, right?

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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If you worry that your vote doesn't count, your physical presence on the mall, the picture of Americans coming together across ideological divides and joining together in order to rescue the republic, I believe is the antidote to the cheating that we all fear.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Right back at you.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Well, I didn't have a real problem with that.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Let's put it this way. I think it's nonsense, but I understand how he ends up there. So let me just say, I saw that segment, of course, as you would imagine. I immediately reached out to him, and I said, Tucker, you've got it wrong. The evidence for Darwinian evolution, for adaptation, is overwhelming, and I would love to sit down with you and talk to you about why that is.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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And he said, I would love that. We haven't had a chance yet, but I do think it's important in... saying something about where that perspective is coming from and why it's incorrect, it is important to say, I really appreciate Tucker and his openness to hearing the counter argument says a lot about him. He was not the slightest bit defensive and in fact was eager to hear about Darwinism and

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah, I agree. Which is great.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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I agree. And I must just say... You know, it's funny. I went on his show. He was the first person to reach out when things melted down in 2017 at Evergreen. And I thought him a villain at the time. But because nobody else had reached out from any mainstream platform, I felt like I had no choice but to.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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A lot of heat. But I also, it was a wake-up call because, you know, I was expecting him to treat me badly. I was expecting him to treat me as a liberal who got what he deserved. And instead, he was absolutely compassionate. And he didn't, there was no part of him that was taking a victory lap over some liberal who was faced with an angry...

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah, he's a great guy. Very nice guy. And, you know, he's just like obsessively in love with nature.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah, we can't know, and it's important to get your comeuppance on these stories. You grow up comfortable that you understand what happened during the Red Scare, and then one day you're doing a little reading and you discover the story just isn't the one you were taught, and... The more stories you dig into, the more frequently that happens.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Oh, yeah. Passionate. Yeah. Passionate outdoorsman. And anyway, I have a lot of affection for the guy.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah, I spent a lot of time, you know, he's always being demonized as a white supremacist or something. And I got into the habit every time somebody said, oh, you know, Tucker's finally revealed himself. I would click through and see what the evidence was.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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And it's just like, OK, the guy just said he wasn't for open borders. Right. It's just empty. Yeah.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah, it's almost beyond that because – I mean, look, I remember thinking –

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah. He is our champion and we were led to believe that he was – A bad guy. Yeah.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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It is admirable.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah. And – It's good for all of us. Yeah. Well, the discovery. I want everybody to have the experience of having thought ill of somebody like Tucker or like Bobby Kennedy and then to discover in person that the rap is just wrong.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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I know. Who would have thought, right?

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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It is crazy.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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I've started when people don't know who I am and they ask.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Well, the problem is eventually they're going to run into it. So I've started saying, look, I'm happy to tell you what I do, but I should warn you I'm a terrible person who's come to believe unforgivable things. It kind of works because you hear somebody say that about themselves. It's like, well, okay, what doesn't add up here, right? But anyway, back to Tucker. Here's the problem.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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I think there's a lot of concern, especially on the right, about the story of Darwinism being incorrect. And to me, this is a slow motion train wreck. And I don't fault people for thinking that Darwin had it wrong because I think modern Darwinists have screwed up their job.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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And in fact, they became advocates for Darwin in a way that prevented them from seeing that there was a major error in the version that they were presenting.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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The error is that the story, let's put it this way. Darwin existed at a moment where his ability to access what was taking place inside of biological creatures was just limited technologically. So there's a lot that he didn't know and it actually worked to his benefit. Because what he outlined was an extremely elegant idea.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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In fact, Richard Dawkins said it was the most powerful theory that anyone had ever come up with. And his defense for that I find very compelling. His defense was the power of a theory is that which it explains divided by that which it assumes. And the thing about Darwinism is it assumes almost nothing, essentially dissent with modification, and it explains essentially all of biology.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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So by that rubric, it is just far and away the most powerful theory we've got. What he presented was an outline of how what I would call selection, just the non-random sorting of things, when it was coupled with heredity, produced adaptations.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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creatures being adapted to their environments by the process of selection where some things outdo other things, and heredity allows the characteristics that make some things outdo other things to accumulate. When DNA, so the order of events is Darwin outlines his hypothesis. Mendel, at the same time, is playing games with pea plants. And Mendel discovers the particulate inheritance.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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He discovers that if you... is careful about how he breeds the peas that he can actually identify traits as they move from parent to offspring in a way that suggests that it wasn't like swirling up a bunch of ice cream. It was like things that stayed independent that flowed through these breedings, right? Darwin didn't know about it.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Mendel was working at the same time, but Darwin apparently did not know about what Mendel was doing. And so Darwin worked purely at the level of critters and their characteristics, and he knew that there had to be a way for hereditary information to be housed inside of them, but he knew nothing about how that worked. Mendel had the first piece of how it worked. It's particulate.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Well, but I mean, I have exactly the same reaction to that story. And I've been down that rabbit hole. And I think you're just ultimately left to the question. Something happened in 1963. That's before either of us were born. Right?

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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These things exist. We now know they exist on chromosomes in DNA form, but that took a long time to figure out. But at the point that we finally found out, Watson and Crick elucidate the structure of DNA. They say it hasn't escaped our notice that this provides a place for the information that Mendel had pointed to, that Darwin had implied, that that fits in the DNA, right? At that moment,

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Our vision of heredity narrowed radically because we had this description of how it is that information can live inside of a biological organism, be past parent to offspring, and be selected in a way that causes adaptation. That story is absolutely true. We know it to be true. And it's so powerful and elegant. that it caused biology to focus on it as if it was Darwin's mechanism, period, the end.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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The error is that it's not Darwin's mechanism. It is a Darwinian mechanism. And the problem is, as powerful as it is, right, the story that they teach us, random mutations in protein coding genes are almost always bad. Every so often, there's a good one.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Selection tends to accumulate the good ones, and the creatures and their special characteristics are all the results of all the collected good adaptations with all of the bad adaptations, or mutations, all of the good mutations collected and all of the bad mutations lost. That story is not, in my opinion, powerful enough to explain the amazing characteristics of creatures.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

11407.796

It explains some of them. It can explain, for example, how you get a pigment molecule. So a plant is green because it can't use green light. It's collecting other wavelengths of light. How can you get a molecule that happens to... collect certain wavelengths of light. That story that I just told you about mutations and protein coding genes can get you to a pigment, right?

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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No, and I don't think it can get you from a shrew to a bat.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Right. So you now have a problem, which is, A, you've got Darwinists and other biologists who have been backed into a corner and they've sworn up and down that mutations and protein coding genes, if you give it enough time and enough selective force, can do everything we see.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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And because they know that the story they're telling is true in some regards, they just keep stretching it so it covers everything. I don't think it does cover everything. In fact, I've thought since I was in college that there was a missing layer. That there is a layer that explains how the amazing alterations in form that we see is produced by Darwinian processes.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

1148.453

That thing was either an anomaly that robbed the nation of a president and the nation continued to be a democratic republic in the aftermath of it, or that was interference with democracy and we don't know how to look at all of the seemingly democratic things that have happened since. How much of what has happened since are the people who took control with that

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Selection interacting with heredity. And I think we've just missed it. So just to take an analogy so this will be clearer to people. A computer, a modern computer, functions... based on binary, the flipping of switches that have exactly two states.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

11520.41

If you were to sit down with, I don't know, an AI or a sophisticated computer game, and I say, yep, that thing is programmed in binary to do these amazing things that you're seeing. There's a technical truth there, but you couldn't program a game like that in Binary. Nobody did. That's not how it happened. There's a layer that's missing.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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There's a layer called compilers and computer languages that allows a human being through a very regimented process to specify things such that the binary layer can do its job, right? The computer is binary, but there's a whole layer between binary and Halo 3 or whatever kids are playing. Right, right.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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So I'm arguing there's another, there's another layer and it, I believe it does live in the DNA, but it is not protein coding genes, right? It is not limited in the same way. So what this does to a guy like Tucker is it leaves him debating between two camps and it happened. You had a Stephen Meyer on. Yeah. So I know Stephen Meyer really like him too. Um,

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Stephen Meyer is obviously a believer in intelligent design.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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True believer.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yep. Now, here's the other thing I know about Stephen Meyer, because I've had the good fortune to spend some time with him, to break bread, to talk to him about biology. He really loves biology, and he's good at thinking about it. He's passionate about it.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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In fact, where I overlapped with him was at a little conference, and he brought swim goggles for anybody who wanted them because he wanted to go into the Mediterranean and go look at animals because it's cool, right? This guy's passionate. He's not a faker. So here's what I would say. He will not be surprised to hear me say, because I've said it directly to him, I don't think he's got it right.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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He's looking for flaws in Darwinism because he thinks what will be revealed is a divine creator. I think there are flaws in Darwinism. I think they reveal the fact that we've missed a bunch of Darwinism. This is no obstacle to us being friends and sharing an appreciation for biology. But it does mean that in the end, we're betting on different outcomes of the experiment.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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But we're both committed to finding those errors and figuring out what's there. Should I be troubled by the fact that he believes in a divine creator? Not really any more than I should be troubled by a biologist who's motivated by a desire to win a big prize.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah. And I think we've glimpsed it.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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I think there's another way that information is stored in DNA that is not in triplet codons. And it allows, it's the equivalent of a either, you know, we have different kinds of computer languages. Not all of them are compiled. Some of them you can just write directly and tell the computer to operate. But it's the equivalent of a computer language that turbocharges the process of adaptation.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

11744.053

And so the point about Stephen Meyer is he makes a number of different arguments about problems he spots with Darwinism. I don't think some of them really are problems, but there is one that strikes me as real. They call it the waiting time problem. And the basic point is, look, we can do the math.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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How much is them continuing to maintain control with a certain amount of democracy? And how much was that an aberration that then returned us to our normal course?

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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on how much adaptation we see and there isn't enough time for you to get the adaptations that you're seeing given how much availability of time there was for those things to occur. So the point is that process that you're claiming made these creatures couldn't have done it in the amount of time you're claiming they were created.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Now, my point is that is actually, I think, likely true because there's this other process. Like if you had to write Halo 3, I don't even know if there is a Halo 3.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Okay. Thumbs up. If you had to write Halo 3 in binary, how long would it take you? It would take you a zillion years because… You know, it's binary. If you had to write it in, I don't know, C++, it might be doable on human timescales. So it's that kind of an error. So I think you've got... You've got Darwinists claiming that the story is more complete than it is.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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My bet is the thing that's missing is every bit as Darwinian as the part of the story that we already know. So I think to the extent that there's an error, the error is on biologists who thought too narrowly. It's not on Darwin. This is not a threat to what Darwin gave us. It's just... A belief that that Darwin was righter than we have yet recognized.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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And in the end, I think that that's what people like Stephen Meyer will discover. And I would also point out from the perspective, you know, so if a guy like Tucker is listening to this and he's thinking, you know. The story in which we've got a creator makes more sense to me than the story in which some Darwinian process produces all of this biological diversity.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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I would argue that ultimately you still don't escape Darwinism, right? Like imagine that this universe was created by somebody who had a plan. My claim would be... They used Darwinian evolution to make all the creatures. In fact, I would argue if this universe is one that has a creator, that it is an evolution simulator.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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A certain amount. There's clearly a certain amount.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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That's the most useful thing it does is it figures out how creatures could be by using this process of selection.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Right. Yeah. Somebody was interested. You know, I don't think there was a creator, but if there was a creator, I believe not only A, did they use selection and adaptation in order to make the creatures, but that's probably the reason they did the whole experiment, right? That's the most interesting thing it produces. And B, let's say, you know, let's just give the hypothesis it's due.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Let's say that this was a environment created by some intentional being with the purpose of making critters using Darwinian evolution. Okay, so then, you know, you've heard Elon say, well, if it's possible to simulate universes, then there are bound to be vastly more simulated universes than there are real universes. So we're probably in one.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Now, I don't really buy that analysis, but let's say that it's true. Okay, so you get outside of your simulated universe into what he calls base reality. Okay, now what? Right? Was that one created too? By whom, right? At some level, you're going to get far enough out that you have to invoke a natural process. And that natural process is going to involve something without a creator, right?

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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There's no philosophical place. Even if we're inside something that was intentionally created, that something is inside something that wasn't. It has to be. You eventually get out to that layer. And at that point, you know, if there was a creator... You know, there was a creator, an intelligent designer of this cup, right? What designed that creator? Darwinian selection, right?

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Let's suppose that's not true. Let's suppose that the creator of that cup is inside a simulator made by another creator. What made that creator? Darwinian evolution. Well, let's suppose that's not true. You go one layer out.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Eventually you're going to get to the place where you're going to have to surrender to the only thing anyone's ever come up with that could in principle create intelligent creatures. And it doesn't have a creator. It's a Darwinian process. All right.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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There's a lot more to say to Tucker. I would say the number of places, you know, the genomes of the creatures that we have did not have to tell an elegant story of how they're related to each other, right? If a creator had designed them, he'd have no reason to make the phylogeny fit an evolutionary story that fit the paleobiology.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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So the number of confirmations that we have gotten is extraordinary, and they're just not familiar. But anyway, there's a lot of power in the theory, and don't fault the myopia of any generation of scientists. The overall story is elegant and fascinating.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

1225.511

Right. You're not talking to me. What narrative is it in which Kamala has done something that might have caused a surge in her popularity? Like, I didn't see it.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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I think the multiverse thing is nonsense. I think it's an accounting scheme for figuring out how to deal with the fact that actually the universe is not deterministic, which people wrestle with because we don't exactly know why it isn't. But to your point about how much can they cheat? I call that factor, which none of us can put a number on. Maybe they can.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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I call it the cheat factor, right? The cheat margin. And one of the things that I'm trying to convince people of is that it's not hopeless because they can cheat, but it means that you have to succeed at a level that exceeds their capacity to erase it.

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Right. And what we know – and I think actually we owe Trump a huge debt of gratitude for proving something that I couldn't have told you if it was true before he won the presidency, which is – Is there still enough democracy left in the system for something to upend the plan?

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Because he was clearly off narrative.

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And he did become president. So, you know, he did something for us that I don't know anybody else who could have done it.

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Yeah. And he was already visibly degraded. But wow. Was it a precipitous decline?

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Yeah. Trump was fine. Yeah. Trump physically. And actually, I think he sounds better. I think, you know, he drives me crazy sometimes when he talks, but I think he's getting better at it.

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Yeah. I mean, the funny thing, and I've been saying this forever, is that almost everybody agrees on the basics on abortion. We're supposed to not be able to even talk about it.

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But most people believe that abortion is negative, that if you've got a blastula, right, a clump of cells, doesn't yet have a nervous system, that you have the right to terminate that pregnancy. And that the farther you go through that pregnancy, the less right you have. And most people are incredibly queasy about it, I think, as they should be in the third trimester. And that's what we agree on.

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And so it's really the extremists on both sides that we are up against. But to the question of what Trump is doing with an issue like this, I want to make a couple of points. One, I think there are two issues that are getting tangled. One, I think he's politically going to some places that are not traditionally Republican because I don't even think I think he's destroyed the Republican Party.

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I just don't see the same Republican Party I remember at all. I see a different thing and it's flying.

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Yeah, it's a MAGA party. Right, exactly. And that's a very different thing because I see MAGA as mostly the labor faction that was cut loose by the Democrats and the Clinton administration. And so they've now found a home under MAGA.

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Totally. And then Clinton turned the Democratic Party into a second corporate party so that those people were homeless. And then Trump picked them up as MAGA and they're now under the Republican banner. But it doesn't read like the Republican Party at all to me. And now it's picked up a, you know, I don't want to say technocratic. That's dismissive.

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But it's got this Silicon Valley component to it.

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And then what do we do? No, it's it's insane. And the hardest part, I'm sure you have these people in your life, too. But let's just take my parents for a second.

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My parents are good people. Lifelong Democrats. They live in L.A. surrounded by Hollywood types. They cannot seem to grasp the fact that the party that they believed in is now doing the inverse of everything they signed up for. Exactly. Because the New York Times rephrases everything. So it seems like the values are still there. Right. Which is wild. It's crazy.

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And if you're not a New York Times reader, you can barely figure out what these people are talking about.

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I'm not quite sure what to expect. Oh, yeah, of course.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, it's on the one hand completely predictable, right? Right. Because there's obviously an authoritarian force there that just grinds its teeth at night over the Constitution and the fact that it prevents it from doing things that it just wants to do last week, you know? Yeah.

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And so, of course, they're like scratching their heads like, can we come up with an argument for why it might be time to get rid of that thing? And, of course, if you're a normal thinking person, this is complete insanity. If you're a New York Times reader, I'm sure that fits with the kind of ethos that's been cultivated.

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I know. It's incredible that we are watching this. Insane. But I would remind you. They did pull this stuff when it was Mitt Romney, when it was George W. Bush, right? The rhetoric was still existential threat, right? And they always have particular versions of this, right?

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I agree. And as I've been saying since the beginning of this electoral cycle, they fear Bobby Kennedy far more than they fear Trump because actually Trump gives them the only argument for their existence that is functional, right? They don't have an affirmative argument for why they should be in power. But being the alternative to Trump is – that's a pitch.

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So we are now somewhere pretty interesting in the sense that I think – you know, to the faithful?

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Good to see you, my friend. Oh, good to see you, man. Strange times we're living in. The strangest and getting stranger.

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That argument still works. But to a larger and larger group of people, they're seeing right through it. They're understanding. First of all, we lived through four years of Trump, right? Right. There were good aspects. There were bad aspects. But, you know, it was not distinguished as some moment of, you know, total failure of our system or something. Right.

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You know, there were a lot of elements of it that were very positive. Right.

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Right. Like what? And add to that, you're doing the things that you're accusing him of intending to do. Right. All this lawfare stuff. That's frightening. They're weaponizing the courts.

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Not only that, but I don't think you have to really even squint at it to see that it's just simply unconstitutional to point the courts at particular people and not other people. We have a constitutional right to equal protection under the law. And obviously, they are setting a different standard for Trump because they want to keep him tied up in court.

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Maybe they want to lock him up and put him in prison. But whatever they're doing...

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Right. And I think actually we are already living this nightmare in one way because what they did was loaded powers into the executive branch that were never supposed to be there. They created emperor-like discretion and they gave those powers to the president, I think believing – that they would never be in the hands of anybody that wasn't on their team, right? And I'm not talking red or blue.

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I'm talking about inside versus outside. And one of the reasons that I think the reaction to Trump is what it was is that he was taking over an office that had been – given all of these exotic tools that he could in principle use against anybody. These are tools that are absolutely a violation of our Constitution, and yet they exist there.

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And so the need to prevent him from having access to those things was existential in their mind. And so anyway, the point is they created tools they never expected to be in the hands of someone else, and that is the situation, that's the scenario you're describing here as well.

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I didn't.

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I just don't think it makes any sense because if you take the multiverse literally... So let me back up a second. We have a principle that tells us more or less what is true called parsimony, right? We take the simplest explanation that accounts for what we observe, and we imagine it's true.

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And there's a little imperfection in there, but if you had all the information, it would work, I think, perfectly. And then there's a flaw in how we apply it. The multiverse is analytically very simple, right? It's just one move. Oh, there are an infinite number of universes. Every moment, there are an infinite number of things that could happen, and a universe is created for each one.

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That's very simple. I just said it in one sentence. On the other hand, at the practical level, it couldn't possibly be more wasteful and absurd, right? And the idea that there's going to be a different – there's going to be two universes. You're going to double the universe because I just moved my glasses and we need one universe in which I didn't and one universe in which I did.

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And then each of those universes is going to proliferate out from each universe. moment. This does not make any sense. So I think what it is, is this is just part of the process of discovery. If you imagine an infinite number of proliferating universes from each branching point, right? That accounts, that allows us to understand.

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We could describe it that way, and it allows us to understand the universe as we observe it. Now, the question is, what's really going on that allows that to take place without the proliferation of universes? That's why I think it's wrong. It's the intermediate. It's the immature analytical point at which we have noticed that something is going on.

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We know we need to explain it, and we haven't yet stood in the right place to explain it in a way that's actually efficient. So what we're doing is we're explaining it in a way that if you typed it out, it's one tweet.

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Well, no. No? I mean, I don't think so, because it's not a different level. Let's just agree that the universe, the size of it is... impossible to actually comprehend.

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And so my feeling is anytime you've made the problem, the philosophical problem you had that we all admit is really, really difficult, infinitely worse, you probably made a wrong move.

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It's not – well, that's just because we're descendants of chimp-like ancestors and we have limited tools to bring to bear to this sort of thing. And it's exciting. Right. It's exciting. It's a good way to think of it. If you think of it as a temporary stand-in for whatever the answer is that's going to dawn on us at some point, it's fine. It's a good thought problem. But imagining that it's real –

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You know, you said, you know, maybe the problem is infinitely bigger than we thought. It's not infinitely bigger. It's the rate of growth of the problem is every instant needs multiple universes for the most trivial of modifications. I'm sorry. That just does not sound like nature to me.

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But see, I actually think that one, I mean, I was waiting for that discovery for my whole life. And when I finally heard it was like, okay, now I understand why you've got this huge swirling thing. You've got this giant gravitational mass in the center that you can't see. Now it makes sense. So that was like a simplifying discovery.

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I mean, A, we're a little bit safe here because by definition, there's no way of peering into those things. Right. For now. I think forever.

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Well, it might be able to.

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The problem is that there's a physical reason you can't for the same reason the light can't get out. There's no way to peer in.

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So am I cool with the idea that maybe there's an equilibrium that, you know, a black hole where things once they're pulled in over that threshold, they never emerge again and that maybe they emerge somewhere else? Yeah, I could imagine parallel things that are entangled in this way.

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That does not sound inherently like an insane cheat to me because what we have is a mystery staring us in the face in every one of those ultra massive black holes. What the hell is it?

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Yes. Well, I'm trying to remember exactly what the story was, but there was a point where Ecuador was acting very courageously with respect to Julian Assange. And there was a question about whether the president of Ecuador could fly Assange out so that he could be outside of the embassy and inside of Ecuador proper.

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Well, you're going to avoid the warranty, I'm pretty sure.

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Yeah.

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Using the UFO story?

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So I would hide. I'm not sure about this. Really? So I want to just adjust a couple things you said.

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Please do. So my perspective, you're absolutely right. It would be there's every reason to think there's lots of life in the universe.

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And that life that attains a certain level of cognition will inevitably create technologies that break boundaries that it can't biologically break. So it'll traverse some distance across space. But the real question is, how many islands of life? What's the closest one? How traversable is the cosmos?

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It may not be traversable at all at those scales, or it may be much more traversable than we know, and then it doesn't take very many islands of life to have somebody visit us. But as to your last point, I actually, well, first of all, Everybody, every thinking person I know is...

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pretty troubled by the present and you know a hostile alien force would freak everybody out but i a i can't see a reason why aliens would be hostile doesn't make sense to me they don't have to be hostile yeah just being there right but then if they were just there first of all we've been training for this right we all spend a lot of time on sci-fi stories sure aliens and All that stuff. Right.

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So I think, actually, we wouldn't be impressed enough because we've seen really impressive stuff on screens again and again and again. If you actually heard that this stuff was going on, if the ship showed up in the sky and you could see it with your binoculars, I think the question is, well... Are they friendly? And what do they have to say? Right.

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And I believe the reasoning was they couldn't do it because they expected the plane to be forced down. Same same issue.

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I honestly don't think, you know, if I heard about it, I would think.

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But why are the aliens abiding by their plan?

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Yeah, it's a different world, but I still haven't seen anything that isn't best explained as PSYOP bullshit.

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Yeah. I mean, you know what my stock and trade is and my feeling is I'm perfectly open to the possibility that there are alien intelligences in the universe. I'm perfectly open to the possibility that they would stop by. But I'm going to need something like evidence that isn't better explained by terrestrial bullshit because, frankly, the terrestrial bullshit is guaranteed. Yeah.

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Yeah, but I don't even think it's – look, I think the fact – and I think we may have talked about this before. But the fact that these things are doing stuff that's beyond any terrestrial craft that we know of and they're silent – That's because they're not craft. They're projections of some kind.

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And so they're visually very compelling, but they do not disturb the atoms that they're passing through because they don't displace anything.

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Oh, man. I think that's people putting blips on other people's radar, and it's not the only place in history that that shows up, right?

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And heck, if you had a – How would you do that? Well, these radars are all computerized.

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And was there a trial that established that this was ill-gotten gain?

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Yeah. I mean, I do think you could fake it because you just have multiple attack vectors.

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A projection.

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I don't know. Could be coming from space. Could be from an aircraft that's flying too high to see. Yeah. I don't know.

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So I'm not an expert in these technologies. I'm not claiming that I could do it. But what I'm saying is, A, you have a huge amount of classified technology. Just imagine for a second how useful it would be to be able to convince your enemy that you had aircraft in its airspace, that they were able to exceed limits, whatever. Sure.

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Do you think we've worked on the ability to fool an enemy into believing that we have capacities that we don't have?

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So given that those programs are essentially certain to exist, do you think anybody's ever going to have the idea that actually in this case it would be useful if some unassailable authorities were to have undeniable experiences that suggest X, Y, or Z? Somebody's going to come up with that idea.

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I mean, I know you have. There are incredibly good magicians. Who will do stuff in front of you that, you know, you don't walk out of there thinking the laws of physics have been broken because you understand that magic is a genre where you walk in and you agree to suspend your disbelief enough to look through your eyes and register something as if it's violated a law of physics.

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But we all know it's magic, right? David Blaine. Right. Exactly. An illusion. Yeah. Now imagine that you had... teams working on illusions who were going to do so in a context that you would have no concept that that's what had happened because you're so used to trusting what your eyes perceive, what your ears hear, all of those things. So all I'm saying is,

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The evidence that these things exist always hovers in the realm where a ruthless whatever could have faked it, right? Whether that has to do with an MKUltra intervention where somebody's been given drugs they don't know they've been given and they've been shown things that they are more open to because they were in a state in which they were in induced openness. That's a possibility.

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Or a mixture of things. You see something. You've been brought into a state of openness. You accept it more than you think you have because you don't know that anybody tinkered with your wiring. I just am waiting to see a piece of evidence that really makes me go, huh, I don't think we could have done that.

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Let me ask you a question. You've got alloys that are beyond known human technology, and you've got discussion of alloys that are beyond human technology. Which is it?

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That's the problem.

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You would sift. Yeah. You would take truckloads and you would sift. 100%.

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Right. Exactly.

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They're partying. They got here and they just, they don't know they're.

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We have an alien problem across many different dimensions.

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A little one.

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Yeah, but those fragments there appeared from where I'm sitting to look like they were made of pixels.

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No, no. I'm kidding with you. I'm just saying we're looking at that thing as if we know that it's a fragment of metal and we're being told that it has properties that are unfamiliar. But what we have, the evidence you and I have, is pixels.

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Right. So that's why, look, you know, I want a team of honest biologists to look at some space biology. That would settle this immediately. Yeah. Immediately. Immediately.

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Just one. That's all it takes. We can settle this tomorrow.

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That is incredibly compelling metallurgical narrative. If it's true. Transmitted by pixels.

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Yeah, it's not a common thing. Yeah.

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Right. And yet most of them make it from A to B. But these fucking UFOs.

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Well, maybe we're not on their map. And so they're like.

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Yeah, it's fun. Look, if it were possible to – Right.

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Yeah. I mean I agree. On the other hand, I probably – You know, why do I want to go to the Amazon? Right? I can see... Yeah, but you can go to the Amazon.

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Why would we go to Mars?

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Yeah. There is a good reason to go to Mars. And the good reason to go to Mars is we're in jeopardy here. And... I don't think Mars is in any way a long-term plan for survival of people. But there are processes unfolding here in our solar system that put us in jeopardy potentially here on Earth. And having just at least an outpost of people somewhere else would not be a bad hedge against that.

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I agree. I think we're not close enough.

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Yep. And we should hedge our bets.

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Space weather.

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Micronova, which is actually a viable hypothesis. Apparently this is something that can happen. It doesn't necessarily destroy the star. You can have a burst of radiation that radically alters things down here.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. No, agreed. Mars is probably a little closer to the sun at one point in time in the past. It turns out that our solar system is dynamic and dangerous in a way that we don't really know because our study has happened in a period of calm.

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Well, that's the thing. There's a hidden story for everything, and this is about incentivizing the world, and we in the public don't get to know the real story.

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Yeah.

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It's a beautiful thing.

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It's very convenient.

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Yeah. I mean, of course, there's an anthropic principle in play here as well, because the question is, are we here because we do have a moon to play the exact right role? You know, this planet has a lot a lot going for it. And one way to think about that is, wow, that can't be that's no accident or no, we're here to talk about it because those accidents happen to line up here.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Right. No, you're exactly right that the number of things that have to stack up before you get to the point that you're pondering why you're here is many.

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And you have to not be going routinely extinct because they'll suddenly go haywire.

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I mean, you know, I get it. It's not productive until you get pretty deep into thinking about, you know, abstract things as a way of finding what you're not doing right.

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Right.

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So this is something Heather and I talk about frequently is that we have more or less an epidemic of people who are maybe smart, but they don't know the difference between a complex system and a complicated one. And so they take their complicated system thinking into complex systems.

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whether it's predictable. So, for example, your computer or your phone, you know, it's beyond your comprehension or my comprehension, but it is well understood how it works. There's nothing mysterious about the outputs, right? It's a system that all of the functionality is well understood. But a biological creature isn't anything like this.

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And so when you intervene, you know, when they give you a drug and they think they know what it's going to do, they're intervening in a system in which things are connected in ways that they've not yet discovered and they can't anticipate the cascading effects. So, you know, we keep getting upended by the sense of like, You know, oh, this thing is wrong with you.

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Well, I coined this term, the Cartesian crisis. And the Cartesian crisis basically means the point at which you can't really be certain of anything. And the problem is, yes, I do think people are catching on to the fact that they never know the real story.

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Here's a biochemical intervention that will adjust one parameter and put you back into health. No, almost never true, right? It is occasionally true if somebody is quite sick that you can push them back in the direction of homeostasis. You can rescue them. But the idea of improving health with an intervention is almost always the wrong approach, right?

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You should be restoring the environment in which the body knows how to take care of itself because it is a complex system. Given the right inputs, given the right parameters, it has all of the processes necessary to keep it functioning. But if you think you're going to improve it by intervening, you're almost certain to do harm.

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Right. But the question is, why do you have type one diabetes?

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Yeah. But is it a you think our ancestors were walking around with type one diabetes?

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Well, but then you would have a very low rate of that gene. So our ancestors.

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So the question is.

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I think there is a massive disruption in all of the environments that we pass through in life that is causing a mismatch between what we are. But we are basically perpetual fishes out of water. And that process is making us unhealthy in every single regard. Heather and I call this hyper novelty.

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And in fact, it's not even that we're just out of our environment in which we can be healthy, but the rate of change is so high that even to the extent that we are highly adaptable, we can't adapt fast enough to keep up. It's a pathology.

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The flip side of this is if you did recognize exactly where you started, that you are actually a system that is complex beyond even the sense that you're an organism. I mean, you're multiple organisms at multiple different levels. Every single cell...

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And your body is being fueled by mitochondria that started out at a different place on the evolutionary tree and got taken inside of cells to become powerhouses. That's a symbiosis. So you are a symbiosis in each of your cells.

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But the response to that is either that you start believing the bullshit that they tell you, or that you just become cynical and stop believing anything. And neither of those are functional ways to exist.

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Yes.

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Right. Now, our whole medical standpoint is fundamentally flawed. And I'm really hoping that we will take the lesson of COVID seriously and we will recognize, in my opinion, allopathic medicine, standard Western medicine, is living on the gains of a tiny number of subfields.

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The fact that a surgeon can put you back together after a car accident, that's something that we all know we want there for us if we need it. That surgeon's capacity to do that is, A, predicated on the ability of the body to repair itself. A surgeon can cut you open and go take out your spleen. But That surgeon is depending on the fact that your body knows how to heal the damage, right?

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You can't go up to a car and slice it open and pull out the alternator and put in another one and have the car heal.

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It doesn't work like that. So anyway, there are a few things in medicine. that are transcendently awesome, like the ability of a surgeon to fix you and the ability of an emergency room physician to stabilize you where your body is spiraling out of control. But those things result in a sense of the godlike powers of medicine. And most of the time, medicine is in danger of hurting you.

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If it's not of the mindset that we should be minimizing intervention, we should be figuring out what the root cause of the pathology is. If we have to intervene, it should be a temporary intervention that pushes you back to the place where your body knows what to do. And then we should take our hands off, which is, of course, not profitably.

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Exactly. They're good for the people who want to maintain power because it just keeps us back on our heels.

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Right. The fact is this process, health, is far too important to be managed by market forces left to their own devices.

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100 percent. And so I'm hoping that medicine, having just gotten its comeuppance during covid, where, you know, almost every doctor ended up poisoning their patients with advice that turned out to be, you know. And themselves. And themselves.

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Yeah, there was a paper recently, I haven't delved deeply into it, but that just says that the spike protein, which is obviously produced by the shots, is interacting with fibrin, which is a clot-producing protein. So it's not surprising that it's having these cascading effects. But, okay, so you had all these doctors who gave terrible advice to patients.

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They assured them not only that this was the right thing to do, but that it was safe, which they should have known better because it couldn't possibly have been. And there's no course taught in medical school about... You know, repentance. How do these people repent for what they did so that they learn the lesson and it can't happen again?

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Right. And that's the thing people don't understand is at the point that you think you're striking a blow by checking out of their system, you're actually doing them a favor.

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And the fact is the whole system is rigged around pharma and they can't.

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Well, I will resist portraying it as a cold because I do think that ain't where we are.

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I got something that was pretty rough. But let's put that aside for a second. Let's say that this is not a very severe disease. And by the way, I will just tell you at the risk of opening old controversies. It took me a long time to understand that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, they have broad applicability across RNA viruses. And many of the things that make us sick are RNA viruses, right?

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So there is a strong argument to be made that in a world where we are now being exposed to all of these RNA viruses, that acting quickly and taking those things is a reasonable thing to do. Now, hydroxychloroquine may have more toxicity than ivermectin. In fact, it does. But ivermectin has such a low toxicity that from the point of view of not doing the damage to the body that comes from being

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sick with these pathological agents, simply being reflexive about taking the stuff quickly is sensible. And of course, if what I just said is correct, you would expect pharma to look anywhere but there because they can't patent the stuff.

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I heard about it. I didn't see it.

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Or vaccine injuries? It has a benefit for vaccine injuries. We can just say that empirically. The people who have become successful at treating these things tell us this.

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COVID.

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You mean what are the symptoms?

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Things like brain fog, fatigue, neuropathy, these things. And I actually have several friends who report that they were suffering badly. I sent them to Pierre. He treated them. Ivermectin was core to the treatment. And they report, I don't want to say miraculous, but spectacular recovery.

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Yeah, I believe so, or it's in process.

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Punishing him for doing his job. Wild. Yeah.

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It's crazy.

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I don't know. It has a number of different mechanisms. It's certainly an anti-inflammatory. There's only so far that explanation will take you, but I don't know. I can't answer that question. I understand. It really doesn't much matter. If you're sick and it makes you better, that's what you want. Right. You know what? Our understanding of how many medicines work.

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I think they're also being fed this story. Right. And we've seen that in multiple places. So, for example, you remember these long debates about, well, okay, yes, the mRNA shots do cause a certain amount of myocarditis, but not nearly as much as COVID.

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Yeah, which is nonsense. And it turns out now that the myocarditis appears to have been vaccine induced myocarditis that was being just like everything else happened with COVID. It was a, I don't want to say an accounting error. It was cynical. They shoved things into the wrong category.

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Right. And apparently you don't get it from the virus. Right.

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Right. And as I've pointed out in many different places, myocarditis is kind of a red herring anyway, because what it means is inflammation. And inflammation is there for a reason. There's an underlying pathology. And so the fact that we can detect that you have myocarditis means, well, okay, something's up with your heart. What is it? And the vaccines create damage in the heart.

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They create damage because they get taken up by heart cells. Those heart cells produce

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So the way these shots were supposed to work is you have an mRNA transcript that is loaded into lipid nanoparticle. The lipid nanoparticles are injected. We were told that they stayed in the deltoid where they are injected. They do not. They circulate in the blood and lymph. Lipid nanoparticle.

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Yeah. Lipid nanoparticle. Lipid means fat. You may remember from high school chemistry that like dissolves like, so fats dissolve other fats. So you've got this thing encased in fat. Any cell it encounters is covered in fat. So it gets taken up by cells haphazardly around the body. Those cells take the message, the mRNA transcript, into the cytoplasm.

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They translate it into protein, and that protein gets exported to the surface of the cell. This is how the manufacturer wants it to work. Now, if it happened in your arm, okay. But if it happens in your heart,

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well, anywhere it happens, it will trigger your immune system to spot this antigen that it doesn't recognize, and T cells will come in and kill the cells that are making this foreign protein because in natural circumstances, any time a cell makes a foreign protein, It has the signature of a virally infected cell. A cell is producing self-antigens and foreign antigens.

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That's a virally infected cell. No matter what place in the body it exists, the right thing to do is to destroy it. So the immune system comes in, T cells destroy that cell, and that leaves you with a wound, right? You've lost cells that were doing something. Most of the tissues of the body can tolerate a certain amount of that.

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But in your heart, you can't tolerate very much because the heart has an extremely low capacity to repair itself. It scars instead, and it takes time to scar. You have a wound until it scars over. So those wounds are vulnerabilities.

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If you're an athlete and you've got a wound in your heart that you don't know about, you could easily die because you have a weakened wall in the chambers of your heart and something breaches at the point that your blood pressure is high in the middle of some activity. So my point is, when we say myocarditis...

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we are effectively accepting a placeholder for there's an underlying pathology that we haven't found. And that pathology can be damage to the heart, which is very serious inherently. It compromises your lifetime capacity for your heart to function. And in the short term, it creates a substantial vulnerability to cardiac incidents.

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Well, the aspiration issue, I believe, is a contributor, but I don't think it is the determinant. So in the case that, just to explain what you're getting at, when you inject somebody, pulling back on the plunger in the syringe allows you to see whether or not you have accidentally landed inside a vein. If you pull back and you see blood, the tip of the needle is at least partially in a vein.

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And if you inject there, it doesn't go into the spaces between the cells in your muscle. It goes into your circulation. So that's a bad thing. If you Plunge the needle in, you pull back on the syringe and on the plunger and you see blood, then you should plunge in further so that you're no longer in that blood vessel.

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In fact, people were specifically told not to do it. And the rationale was... They did not want to create vaccine hesitancy by leaving the needle in the arm any longer than necessary. So they did end up doing a certain percentage of intravenous, accidental intravenous injections.

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And that means that a globule of this stuff went immediately into the circulation, which meant that if it went to your heart and got picked up there, it might not just be a small number of cells. It might be a large number of cells. So that was a completely unnecessary level of harm. Aspirating the needle was the right thing to do, and they should have done it, and they didn't.

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And who knows how many people have died because they got a big dose intravenously where it was supposed to be intramuscular.

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Yeah.

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Well, there is a question about what they injected him with. But yes, whatever happened on television.

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Well, here's the problem. I don't know how dumb these people are. It seems to me let's just let's just play this out with sort of standard parameters. Inoculations cause a certain number of acute adverse reactions. These people wanted everyone injected. They didn't want us talking about injuries that were real, right?

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They went out of their way to make sure that nothing caused anybody to have the sense that there was some problem with them. Do we really think they rolled the dice injecting an old man with an active shot on TV?

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Yeah, the gaslighting of the injured is insane. Insane. Especially, you've asked people to do something. There's always adverse events. How is it that somebody who suffers an adverse event is not entitled to our compassion? I don't understand how you would turn vicious in that case.

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Oh, you can't.

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Yeah. Well, let me put it to you this way. I think it makes sense to establish a policy that I will not accept any medical product for which the manufacturer is not liable if it goes wrong. And that's not medical advice. That's legal advice.

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Well, the fact is – If you understand how the market is supposed to do its magic, this doesn't work even in principle. Just simple evolutionary dynamics guarantee that corporations that are not responsible for the harm that they do will start making a profit by doing harm. Right. They will be outcompeted by other corporations who do if they don't.

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So it is guaranteed that they will move in that direction, which is why I say you shouldn't take any product produced by an entity that is not liable for the harm that it does to you. It just doesn't make any any sense.

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Yep. Well, and the way they maintain that story is by ruthlessly punishing anybody who questions it, even though questioning it is the obvious thing to do. Because for one thing, elections used to be different, as you remember, right? First of all, you used to vote in person.

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I don't think most people know. That little fact that you just mentioned that, in fact, they were granted immunity from liability because they said it was impossible to make safe vaccines.

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Yeah, I believe it happened in the Reagan administration that they approached, they were reluctant to make vaccines. The Reagan administration wanted them to ratchet up production and they said, we can't, it can't be done safely. And they were granted this immunity and the system, the VAERS system was set up and a special court was set up to adjudicate cases and...

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Tremendous amount of evil has flown from that fateful decision, including the proliferation of the childhood vaccine schedule.

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Right. It's hard to imagine. And then when you start looking into the evidence, it's like, oh, my goodness.

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And voting by mail was something you were very reluctant to do because you knew that if your vote got counted, it was going to be very late in the process. It wasn't really going to matter.

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Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, you know. Heather and I wrote into our book in 2020 that vaccines were one of the three greatest medical inventions in history. You know, the other two being surgery and antibiotics. And I still believe that in principle, there is something potentially very medically valuable there. But in practice...

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The way we produce these things, the way we manufacture them, the way the technology on which they are based has been modified, right?

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The idea that we're going to produce a vaccine that is adjuvant based and we're not going to tell you that we're going to hyperactivate your immune system to get a weak shot to function and that that means that you're going to be in danger of creating a sensitivity to anything you encounter or eat during that period. Like, how are we not discussing that?

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I mean, again, in 19, 19, in 2020, I was an enthusiast for this technology. Now I'm an enthusiast for what it says in the textbook about what this might be able to do, but I'm terrified of how it's actually being deployed. And I also now recognize, I believe I have a vaccine injury, my allergy to wheat has

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The only way it adds up is probably a flu shot caused me to become hypersensitive to something that was exposed to my immune system. Of course, wheat's in everything, so, you know, it's ever-present. My children, my older son has an allergy to dairy. A profound one. I think that's a vaccine injury.

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Frankly, I don't know what percentage, you know, I have a friend who has an allergy, profound allergy to mold that's driven her from two homes. Right.

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Right, exactly. It was for people who just simply couldn't vote in person and it never really mattered except in very rare cases. The disappearance of that and the normalization of voting by mail, the normalization of voting across a period of time so that you're not all voting on the same day.

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No. No. I mean, I'm not going to say there weren't any.

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The proliferation of allergy. Again, I don't want to say there wasn't any. But in many of these cases, things like Alzheimer's disease, we, of course, think, oh, these things are long standing. They've been there. Maybe there's been an increase in the amount.

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But the degree to which many of these pathologies, including autism frankly, turns out to be something that erupts out of nowhere, suggesting a novel environmental cause of some kind. is profound. And mostly we don't know that because we don't do the legwork to go back and look at, well, where does this first show up? We think polio has always been with us. No, that's not true.

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So we have a pattern that we in the public are not aware of. pathologies that are widespread that showed up out of nowhere, like obesity. And that suggests an environmental cause. We should become fascinated by what that cause might be because every new generation has people being maimed by these pathologies.

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And if you can discover what the pathology is and you can eliminate the factor, how much misery do you erase? How much economic growth do you create right these are powerful ways in which we could improve our well-being and we just simply don't do it because all of us carry the vague notion that these things are long-standing but if you think about it

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Do you see animals in the wild being allergic in their environment?

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Yes, they do. Right. And so anytime you see that pattern where it's like, yes, wild animals don't have that pathology, but domestic animals and people do, that's telling you something.

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Right? Because we share an environment.

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I don't know the statistics. I will tell you I read a jaw-dropping book. I mean, and this is – I keep having this experience where there are various stories that we all carry around that tell us something about the world we're living in and what to be afraid of. So for example – Spanish flu, right? Much of our fear of pandemics is based on the idea that Spanish flu erupted out of nowhere.

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And the absence of exit polls, right, when everybody's voting from home or wherever, you can't detect fraud by virtue of the fact that the count that came in from that precinct didn't match what the exit pollers registered.

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It killed young, healthy people. And you know what? It's not that long ago. It could happen again. Blah, blah, blah. It turns out that story isn't what we all think it is. There are two things about that story which are not commonly known.

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One is there was an enthusiasm for prescribing aspirin for people who came in with flu symptoms, and they were prescribed aspirin in doses that are now known to be deadly. So a lot of people drowned, basically their lungs filled with liquid because they were overdosed on aspirin. That's one thing. The other thing is bacterial pneumonia, which followed on the viral infection.

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Bacterial pneumonia that we can now easily treat.

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Yes, exactly. And so the question is, you know, would Spanish flu, if it emerged tomorrow, cause a pandemic that mattered? No, it wouldn't. But we all think, oh, goodness, it can happen because Spanish flu proves it. Same thing happened with my understanding of polio.

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Is asymptomatic. Asymptomatic. Of polio.

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Do you know why? Why? Because I actually know, I think I know why based on the book, The Moth and the Iron Lung. There is a virus involved in polio. That virus is not normally serious. It's a gut virus, right? It causes slight gut pathology, goes away of its own accord. What appears to have happened that caused polio to be a terrifying, debilitating disease is metal toxicity, right?

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So polio turns out has some weird quirks, right? It affects the nerves in the front of the spinal cord but not the back of the spinal cord, and it affects children and not adults. And the argument that is made in The Moth and the Iron Lung, I think quite compellingly, is that what's happening is the metals are causing that bacterium or the virus to leak out of the gut.

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And it can grow in neurological tissues. And in a child, the gut is sitting right in front of the spinal cord. And so it is affecting the motor neurons but not the sensory neurons, which are on the back because of the physical proximity of the gut to the spinal cord. And that as you grow, those things separate, and so the susceptibility disappears.

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I don't think we are wrong to imagine that we have lost the ability to check whether an election is fair and that that's not an accident, that that leaves the possibility open to cheat. And as you point out, they cheat in every other way. Are we supposed to believe that they won't do that because their patriotism is so deep? I don't see any patriotism to them at all.

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But it's the metal toxicity that is taking a toll. non-serious pathogen and causing it to be serious, which makes for a very confusing story because you actually do have a pathogen and you can actually prevent the pathogen with a vaccine, but the root cause is the metal toxicity that is causing things to leak out of the gut and touch the spinal cord.

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Yep. DDT is connected as well.

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Well, actually, that's what the book, The Moth and the Iron Lung, amazingly tracks the history of this, where in fact you had a you had a problem where the moths, the silk moths, were not robust to predation. And so entomologists were looking for something to hybridize the silk moths with that would be resistant to things like jays eating them as caterpillars.

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And this one entomologist had gypsy moths from Europe in his possession that he was trying to breed with silk moths, an experiment that was doomed to failure. But nonetheless, one day he had them bred.

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sitting on his kitchen window and a wind blew and blew them into his garden and he knew he tried to recover them and he couldn't find them all and so he knew that he had a problem he tried to alert people locally hey we've got a local gypsy moth problem which is bad because gypsy moths devastate vegetation And in any case, they were unable to control the infestation.

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And of course, it spread throughout the East.

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Well, right. If you had understood what was going to follow from this, that would have been a it would not have been an overreaction. Right. Right. But nonetheless, what you have is something like an epidemic of polio. That's not really an epidemic of polio. You have an epidemic of gypsy moths that are being sprayed for with these toxic pesticides. Right. It's a crazy, crazy story.

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But the upshot is. We all carry around stories like polio is a terrifying disease. It debilitated people. We have a vaccine that ended that horror. Therefore, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's not the story. The story is we actually have an epidemic of stupidity about industrial toxins. And in this case, they interface with a story about a vaccine and a pathogen.

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But the story isn't the one we think. Right. It's a very strange set of interactions. But once you start digging into these stories and you realize that all of them are, you know, we've been told some fairy tale that leads us to a conclusion that just isn't right. Then you have to start rethinking things. But of course, as you discover these things, people decide you're a crank.

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They're going after West Nile virus in New York.

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Right. And then at the same time, we're dealing with a set of restrictions in the northeast over eastern equine encephalitis.

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Right.

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Well, okay, so let's do this at full strength.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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I know. Yes. So let's look at all the components here. One, I've seen spraying like that in person before. I've seen it in Panama in the Canal Zone. Now, the Canal Zone is malaria-free. I don't know what the cost... I mean, people live in the Canal Zone. Americans lived there while the canal was in our possession in large numbers.

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I do think that the spraying kept the Anopheles mosquitoes to a low enough number that malaria did not exist in the Canal Zone. What the cost of that was, I also can't say. My guess is the cost of that was very high, but not well measured. The idea that we are now, A, why is it we are dealing with a simultaneous panic over eastern equine encephalitis and West Nile virus?

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Well, that is a very odd coincidence. One thing that's true is... So the last panic was over COVID. And the response to COVID was massive vaccination with the mRNA shots, as you know. The mRNA shots, for anybody who got two or more, triggered the production of something called IgG4, which I don't know if we've talked about it before.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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But IgG4 is the immune system's own message to itself to turn itself down. Okay.

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That's just empiric. I don't know whether anybody expected this result, but when it was pursued, that was just the number at which we could detect the presence of ITG4. So not with one. Not with one. I'm not saying there wasn't any with one, but we don't detect it with one shot. And then two produces some effect, and the more shots you get, the bigger the effect.

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Does that explain why disease itself appears to have changed in the last year or two? Why are people so sick during the summer? Do you remember even five years ago?

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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There were summer colds. People remarked on them because it was weird when you got sick during the summer. Right. I got a summer cold. But people weren't sick with lots of different things during the summer. In general, you were, you know, fine during the summer. And then when you got sick, when it was, you know, cold out and you were driven indoors and that was just the pattern. Right.

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So something's going on that people are much more susceptible. And it just so happens that we've watched a pattern where people have been multiply injected with something that we know turns their immune system down. Why are we not asking the question if the reason that we may have a problem with West Nile virus and Eastern equine encephalitis is the result of a self-inflicted wound, right?

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We should at least be asking that question. Instead, we are still recommending that goddamn COVID shot.

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Yeah, I got to say, as soon as we get to Fauci, I just don't believe anything. I don't know. I'm agnostic as to whether or not the dude took any shots, whether he's... I don't know what's going on because there's so much garbage surrounding that guy and what he thinks and what he did that I just can't accept any of it at face value. But here's what I don't understand.

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Let's look at the Eastern equine encephalitis issue. They are now considering curfews, right? They're going to start eroding civil liberties over the presence of this disease. One person has died.

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Yeah. If you read up on it, it turns out the average year, there are seven diagnosed cases of this. So it's not like this is a disease that never shows up and suddenly there's one case and people are freaking out. There's apparently an annual rate of this. We have an annual rate that even if it's more, this does not suggest the possibility of a massive disease spread. And if it did...

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We're still giving people a shot that causes their immune systems to turn down. So can we at least stop doing that before we start panicking over new diseases? Because it sure looks like we are creating vulnerability to new diseases over here, recommending mRNA shots that people don't need. And then we are, you know, having lockdowns.

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Of course.

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Ig means immunoglobulin. That's a synonym for antibody. IgG is a major class of antibody. There are something like five major classes. And then IgG4 is a subclass that turns the immune system down.

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We don't know.

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Well, and we just went through this with them over covid.

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Yes. And it's alarming. I mean, it's alarming for multiple reasons. I wasn't, I was really unsure what to think about this when it first occurred to me. But the more I think about it, the more alarmed I am. COVID, SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID, appears to have emerged from laboratory work that was dual use. Dual use work means bioweapons research.

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The excuse, so it's called dual use because you're only allowed to do bioweapons research if it's also research that might contribute to public health. So the excuse is, oh, we're working, you know, what do they tell us?

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We know that when they think they're in the right, they feel entitled to lie about everything. They feel entitled to coerce.

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They said, well, the gain-of-function research is so that we can create pathogens and learn what to do about them before they find themselves out of nature and we don't know what to do, right? This is a nonsense story. It's not... It is not coherent to think that by creating some pathogen in a laboratory that you're going to learn something about pathogens that might leap out of nature.

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For one thing, pathogens leaping out of nature is a difficult thing for them to do. They have to do two tricks, and it's not easy. They have to infect a person. Some pathogens will do that. But then before that person dies or gets better, they have to jump from one person to the next. Very, very few are ever going to jump that gap. So it's not a big risk.

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And then if you've created a pathogen of your own, you're going to learn about what to do about that pathogen. But it's not broadly applicable. And you can see we had research on coronaviruses being done in the Wuhan Institute, being done in North Carolina. How much help did it give us? What did we learn from that research that protected us from COVID? And the answer is nothing.

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Because it's inconceivable that you would. So they're using the excuse of public health to do this weapons research. But here's the punchline of the story. The vaccines are also the product of bioweapons research because they include the spike protein, which was the innovation that made the ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 into an infectious human pathogen, right?

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So the idea that we're supposed to imagine that our elections are somehow different to them. I can't imagine how that would even work.

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The addition of a fern cleavage site to spike protein made this thing capable of infecting and spreading between humans. that spike protein was the core of the mRNA shots. Get two or more of those shots, now you create IgG4, and the more of the shots you have, the more you produce.

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I am not aware of that literature, but notice the following problem. That IgG4 signal to turn down the immune system is now connected to the presence of spike protein. At a bioengineering level, it is trivial to add spike protein to something else. Bioweapons researchers have a problem. If you create... First of all, they have two problems.

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One of them is there aren't that many weaponizable human pathogens, right? So they're sort of bored with the fact that they've got a small number of these things and they've played around with them and they're not happy. They need something else. So there's also a vast number in nature that you could in principle weaponize, but most of them can infect a human.

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So they engage in this hocus pocus stuff where they take stuff that doesn't infect a human and they turn it into something that infects a human. And of course, the risk that it will escape is very, very large. And the risk that we will learn anything useful is very, very small. But nonetheless, they play this game. And

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If they create something that is a frightening weapon that could in principle in their warped minds be used for something useful. The question is, how can you deliver a biological weapon that harms your enemies without harming your population? You have to separate those two populations in some way. The obvious way to do it is to inoculate your population so that they have an immunity.

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The enemy population doesn't have an immunity, right? Mind you, this is all wildly immoral. But if you think like a weapons maker, this makes some kind of sense. But this is not the only way.

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That's where the IgG4 thing really throws me because what they seem to have, in the best case, accidentally done is created a vulnerability in the populations that took the mRNA shots that does not exist in populations that didn't. And any time a pathogen shows up with spike, it is likely to trigger the immune system to stand down, right?

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That's something that a weapons maker might dream of doing to its enemy. The Chinese did not inoculate their population with mRNA-based shots, and they did not inoculate them with spike-based shots.

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Other stuff, more standard vaccine stuff, antigens delivered. I mean, not effective, but doesn't create this effect as far as we know.

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No, Novavax is another new technology. I don't know very much about it, but the Sinovacs is what the Chinese used, and it was a much more standard, apparently not very effective shot. But nonetheless... And the creation of a vulnerability in one population that the other population doesn't have, we can imagine that that was an accident. Let's hope it was an accident.

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But it does appear to be something that they have created. And the fact that weapons makers seem to have created this with their diabolical research ought to give us pause.

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Well, I'm not saying that it was a bioweapon.

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Well, look, I do not know how crazy these people are, and I don't really know who they work for. It is obvious that something beyond what most of us would imagine is true because somehow our dual-use researchers were collaborating with Chinese military-associated researchers. That's surprising, isn't it?

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Certainly military-affiliated. But the head of the Wuhan Institute laboratory in question, Xi Zhengli, was trained by Ralph Baric, right? So this is a partnership on dual-use research. That doesn't seem to make any sense given what we all think we understand about where the tensions are, who are the allies and who are the antagonists on the world stage.

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They didn't have a solution, and they didn't allow the one process that would quickly generate a solution to function. Doctors treating patients based on what walks through their office door, right? But to my way of thinking, they already knew what worked. Ivermectin worked on SARS-1. SARS-1 is an RNA virus. This stuff works generally across RNA viruses.

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It would have rendered COVID tragic in the sense that we don't need another human pathogen circulating, but totally manageable in almost everybody's case.

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Absolutely.

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The amazing thing is even in the studies that claimed that they proved it didn't work, it does work. If you look at the data they collected, it reflects that it works, even though these experiments were set up to fail. They dosed late. They underdosed. They were done in places where the control group was likely to have ivermectin circulating at a fairly high rate.

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So there's all sorts of tricks that were used. But even in those cases, it still worked. But the answer, I would say, is no. at least in the case of ivermectin. It's a little different with hydroxychloroquine. But with ivermectin, the stuff is...

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So low harm that treating immediately is the way to go because, you know, the difference in its efficacy between day one and day two and day two and day three, those jumps are substantial. So there's no reason not to give it immediately. And I guess the question is why? We saw all of the skullduggery around portraying ivermectin as dangerous, portraying it as ineffective.

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So we know that they just lied through their teeth. We also know that they knew that it was essentially certain to work. So why'd they do that? And, you know, there's a, I don't know how bad the answer is, but the answer is at least that they wanted the pandemic, the so-called pandemic, right? They redefined pandemic in order that this would qualify. But the so-called pandemic would be

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significant enough to get everybody to engage in the same kinds of behaviors, to accept them, right? I don't know. The problem, we're stuck in the same place we always are, which is if we just simply navigate this logically, we end up in some pretty dark places with respect to what they might have been up to.

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Yeah, it's a huge number of people. We can detect that statistically. The trouble is that it's hard in any individual case to know whether or not you're looking at something that would have happened anyway. Right. So you remember John Ritter? Yes. From Three's Company. Sure. Died of a- I worked with him. Ruptured. Oh, you did?

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Why were the weapons makers lying about the utility of drugs that rendered this novel pathogen minor?

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Between what years?

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Yeah, I'm not going to guess.

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So are we going to find out?

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It's not.

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First place I heard that hypothesis was Heather. I believed it. I've come to believe that it's actually not that, that their ability to cheat in the American system at least is so great that that obstacle would not have prevented them from deploying their shots.

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Good guy? Yeah, I got that impression. Anyway, he died of a ruptured aorta, if I remember correctly, long before there was COVID vaccines.

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I think it's, yeah, it's logical enough. There's truth in it. They, you know, having a viable preventative for SARS-CoV-2 in theory should have prevented an EUA. But I don't think that that was an obstacle they couldn't have overcome. I think the problem was their real goal. Was to normalize the use of a gene therapy on a population that had never had that idea placed in its mind.

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And so they called it a vaccine. That was one thing. But they also needed the disease to be frightening enough that people would accept something radical in order to get through it.

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And had doctors been enabled to just simply do what doctors are supposed to do, they would have discovered that there were treatments, inexpensive ones, one of them extremely safe, the other one comparatively safe, that were highly efficacious. They would have discovered... the connection to vitamin D, all of these things. And that would have meant two things.

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One, it would have meant that the degree to which the mRNA platform got normalized would have been much reduced, and it also would have created a massive control group, people who didn't take the shots, which would make the harms that much less obvious.

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So I suspect the reason I say that one hundred billion dollars isn't a lot of money when it obviously is a lot of money is that it's not a lot of money compared to what was at stake in their minds, which is the mRNA platform, which can be used to reformulate every vaccine they've got to create a bunch of new vaccines. This we're talking about a.

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So the point is, if that had happened last year- Right. We'd all be saying, come on.

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trillion dollar invention that could not be brought to market normally because it's way too dangerous. And the emergency made it possible not only to bring it to market, but to get everybody or nearly everybody on board with it. And I don't know how deep this rabbit hole goes. I do think there is something remarkable about the early days of the so-called pandemic, where

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Doctors were primed for the horror of this disease so that they were already in the mindset of radical interventions, which meant that they did a lot of harm with things like ventilators that didn't need to be done. They killed a lot of people because they thought they were rescuing them. The EUA story is good enough.

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He's in Hollywood, he got faxed, and now look at him. Yep. So it happens. One hundred percent. Right. But the rate at which it's happening has changed radically. And the very people who say, oh, that's not the vaccine are very uninterested in figuring out what it is. So, you know, let's put two and two together.

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It more or less explains it, but I don't think it obscures the bigger picture, which is that the mRNA platform itself is the ultimate cash cow that couldn't be brought to market under anything but the most extraordinary emergency circumstances. And so they took a virus that shouldn't have existed in humans at all and wasn't that terrifying.

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when it was released into the population, and they turned it into something frightening enough that people would contemplate things that they ordinarily would have rejected.

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Yeah. Because so much, I mean, I'm not arguing that the EUA wasn't important. I think it was important. I just don't think it was necessary for them to, they could have overcome that obstacle the way they overcame many others.

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And normalizing it, getting people to accept the idea that they were going to take an mRNA shot. Right. That was a big leap. And so the EUA was important. And we know that because of the shenanigans around. They ultimately did get a shot that they said was the same, not emergency use authorized. But I'm now forgetting the term when the FDA actually there's another term.

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It's not authorized, but it's a synonym. But anyway, they did get approved. They did get one approved and you couldn't get it. They kept giving the one that had the EUA. They did that for legal reasons. It gave them a layer of immunity. Right. They had been given the license to deliver an experimental drug.

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And then they got approval for a non-experimental drug and they kept giving the experimental one even though they said they were the same thing. There's something very deep there around the legal status of that emergency use authorized pharmaceutical.

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Yes, I think we got in their way. I think we outed them. But to your earlier question about did they know how much harm, if they didn't, they'd be behaving differently now. Notice how it's not slowing them down. Right. They're still recommending these things for six month old. What? On what planet would you do that? We now have... And pregnant women. And pregnant women. Right.

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We now have a novel pathogen that presumably... These kids are going to be faced with encounters repeatedly for the rest of their lives, and you want to mess with their immunity six months into life? You have no idea whether you are making it impossible for them to develop some proper immunity so they can fend this thing off for all of the encounters for the rest of their life.

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You're like creating a consumer at the expense of a child, and it's insane. And I will tell you, I've just found out that there is sort of a next chapter on this mRNA stuff, which I don't know if you've paid any attention. Have you noticed what's going on in Japan?

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The self-replicating mRNA?

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So there's a new version. Apparently, when the mRNA platform that we got was settled upon, there were some competing platforms that didn't make it. And those competing platforms are beginning to make their debut. And in Japan, there are currently protests over what's called a self-replicating mRNA vaccine. I think they call it a replicon.

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And so notice that the whole mRNA platform was really about doing away with the vaccine factory by turning you into a vaccine factory, right? Your cells became the vaccine factory. And there are reasons that a pharmaceutical company, especially an amoral one, would prefer that.

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So remember, one of the things that was done to make the mRNA vaccines that we got work was the mRNA transcript was stabilized with pseudouridine. All of the uracils that would ordinarily have been in that message were replaced by something chemically similar that is sometimes seen in nature. But the more of them you have, the more stable the molecule is.

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So when they told us the mRNA molecules were short-lived, we didn't have to worry about this shot because the mRNAs weren't going to last very long in our bodies, right? They would disappear. That was a lie. They had hyperstabilized these things. They've now given a Nobel Prize for the hyperstabilization process.

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They wanted to give a prize for the vaccines, and so they gave it for this narrow thing. I would argue maybe it's the worst design flaw in the entire thing. And that's saying something because there are a substantial number of design flaws. But these self-replicating mRNAs, the competing platform, borrows some machinery from something called an alpha virus.

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And that alpha virus, basically they take the genome of an alpha virus and they include the gene for the antigen that they want your body to develop an immunity to. But they include it along with some genes for proteins that allow the RNA to – basically copy itself, right?

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So now, instead of taking a molecule of mRNA and putting it in lipid nanoparticle and making it hyperstable so it keeps making new messages, what they're going to do is they're going to allow the mRNA to duplicate itself biologically inside of you, right? Now, this is madness, right? right? They are running a radical experiment, a new one.

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The mRNA platform was a radical experiment to begin with, self-replicating. That's a whole new level of radical. And they are considering, I think they have gotten permission to deliver this stuff in Japan this fall, right? So this is If these people did not understand the damage that they were going to do, it would have given them pause.

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They would have looked at all of the harm, all of the people who died who didn't need to, all of the people suffering from compromised immunity, and they would have thought, holy shit, what did we miss? But that's not what they think. This is business as usual for them. It's clearly business as usual.

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I think it's a bad paradigm. You know, I definitely want those rare pharmaceuticals that actually do more good than harm.

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Jesus Christ. Yeah. Now, let me, that's going to sound crazy to people, but let me defend it for a second. Okay. When you have a pathology that's widespread enough for a company to make a medication to do something about it, you are dealing with a failure of the environment in which the creature lives. Our focus should be on that. It should be on what's in our food that we're not expecting.

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Seed oils, for example. A lot of us spent our lives not noticing that seed oils weren't what they appeared to be and that they actually have a role to play in the creation of disease. It's not vegetable oil. Vegetable oil, avocado oil is vegetable oil.

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Exactly. It's a fatty fruit oil. Perfect. So the point is that one makes sense because a plant does not want you eating its seed, right? So it puts toxins in the seed. The oil from avocados comes from the flesh, which is there to induce birds to take the seed various places. So the point is it's designed as a food. So anyway, there's something wrong with the environment.

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The profitable thing to do is not to fix the environment. It's to create a remedy or something that masquerades as a remedy. And the number of harms that are being done to people is just compounding. So my feeling is the paradigm is wrong. I want the antibiotic to prevent the gangrene, right? We've cured gangrene. People don't lose their arms anymore because they got a wound. That's good.

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There's too much money involved. Right. There's too much money involved, and it becomes impossible to override this narrative. The narrative takes on a reality of its own, even though it is contradicted by the facts. And our scientific tools, they're We're tremendously powerful at discovering patterns like this. It's not difficult to do.

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That's a pharmaceutical that's worth having. We should treat it with respect. We should not deliver the stuff where it doesn't belong. But by and large... The pharmaceuticals we have are creating their own demand.

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Sometimes they're being given because somebody has engineered a parameter that causes a doctor, you know, statins are being delivered because of, you know, a metric that suggests to somebody that you have ill health in some way that can be remedied by these things. It was nonsense to begin with. So, yeah, I think the cost we pay is huge and that the market is going to find,

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plausible stories that cause people to be willing to take drugs and that mostly you know health It starts in the kitchen. That's something that doctors I respect have pointed out, that this is about what you're consuming. It's about the environment that you live in.

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It's about understanding that sunlight is an important contributor to health and that the way we live means that you're probably deficient in vitamin D. It's about all of those things. And the amount of good that could be done just by simply recognizing the environmental component is huge.

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I must be a crank.

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Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's up with him, but it's... Something not good. Yeah.

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I hate to say this, but he's either a cold-hearted liar or... the most profoundly un-self-aware person that has ever existed. I mean, it's stunning.

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And yet we deliberately avoid using them in the ways that they were intended.

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Yeah. Well...

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Well, that goes back to what I was getting at. Everything I saw suggested they wanted it to be as terrifying as possible.

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Yes. I really believe you're talking in the end about, I think— many hundreds of billions is unrealistically low. We're talking about an industry that has been playing this game without our knowledge, right? How do you demonize competing drugs? How do you make your pharmaceutical look safe when it isn't? How do you make it look effective when it isn't, right?

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That's the game every day of the week for these people. And they found the ultimate version of that game in the mRNA platform. Which they wanted to normalize and they needed an emergency to do it. That's the most parsimonious explanation for everything we experienced. And, you know, it's playing God with people's lives.

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Yes, and even those distinctions, I think, are quaint. We are now watching... the fusion of corporate power and governmental power. That is the definition of fascism. We're seeing the breakdown of individual and national sovereignty, right? What the hell is the Five Eyes? Why are the intelligence apparatus of these countries conspiring against the citizens of these countries?

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All of the categories that we grew up with are an obstacle to seeing what's actually functioning as our antagonist here. It doesn't have a name. It doesn't have a national boundary. It's clearly targeting the civil liberties that make the West possible. And we're going to have to level up quickly if we are actually going to survive this.

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Well, let's leave this terrestrial, okay? There are some space weather stuff I'm pretty concerned about that we really need to have our governmental shit in order to deal with. But I'm concerned that we are facing...

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the last opportunity to wield the power that remains in our constitution in order to preserve the west i really believe the west is at stake in this election and i know that everybody will laugh and they will say ah everybody always says this is the last opportunity this time it's really dire but i truly believe the republic is in serious jeopardy.

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I believe that however it happened, the blue team has become hostile to all of the fundamental values that allow the republic to function. And that undergird the West. And when I say the West, I'm not talking about a set of countries. I'm not talking about a geographic description. I'm talking about an agreement not to rig the world in favor of your people. An agreement.

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on a level playing field in which people are rewarded for creating wealth from which we all benefit. That system is incredibly dynamic and powerful. It increases human well-being at a rate that no other competing system has ever come close to. And it is very strong in one way. Its capacity to generate wealth is incredible. but it is vulnerable.

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The reason that our founding documents have the strange form that they do, the reason that the founders of the U.S. carved out all of these counterintuitive rights are that in order to stabilize that system, you needed to have an industrial strength document that prevented all sorts of threats from getting anywhere near the core of that system. So

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I think the worst case scenario is the next election, November, we don't beat the cheat margin. The blue team remains in power and it dismantles the remaining protections of our civil liberties and the basis of our freedom.

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Well, you know, you saw it, right? That thing you put up from the New York Times. The idea is, look, at some level, we've got the First Amendment, which is already in tremendous peril, right? We've got Brazil turning off X, as you pointed out, threatening to ruin anybody who uses a VPN to circumvent their block. You've got Pavel Durov, who has been effectively taken hostage in France.

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You have people in Britain being arrested for... speaking freely. And the US is actually, in some ways, the last holdout. Why are we the last holdout? Because our First Amendment is spelled out in very clear terms, and it's difficult to get around it. And You know, you and I lived through an era of terrible censorship, but it had to be cryptic. Here you showed the New York Times, was it?

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Yeah, although I'm sure you're having the same experience where lots of stuff that you learned as a clear narrative like the Red Scare took over people and it was like a witch hunt. And the answer is actually more nuanced than that. There was more truth to it than I was taught. Right. The Rosenbergs really were guilty of passing secrets to the Russians.

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Experimenting with how to phrase the argument for unhooking the Constitution so that people would get used to the idea that that was being done for them. Right? It's dangerous. It's dangerous.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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But here's the, I mean, let's flip the topic on its head, right?

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The founders of the U.S. enshrined counterintuitive rights, right? These were brilliant men, and they enshrined counterintuitive rights because they understood a thing or two about tyranny because they had faced it. They knew that There was no way to eliminate bad speech without eliminating necessary speech. So they said, you know what? You can't do it. There is lots of bad speech. Live with it.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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You know why? Because there's really uncomfortable stuff that needs to be said that you don't want anyone to have the power to eliminate, right? That's counterintuitive. Everybody, every child understands people shouldn't be allowed to say bad stuff. Right? Maybe that's appropriate in a kindergarten classroom.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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But it's not appropriate in a civilization where we have to figure out what's good and what's bad. Right.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Nobody has the position from which to say which speech has no value. So that's off limits. But here's the frightening part. It's even frightening to raise this point. That First Amendment is where it is for a reason. It's the fundamental right to all of these. They placed the Second Amendment in the backup position. So what I'm telling you is I am concerned that we are

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You can hear our civil liberties creaking. You can hear that document threatening to give way. You can hear the enemies of it experimenting with explaining what they're doing and why they're really the ones who are looking out for your best interests. All of these maniacs are going to make violence inevitable. We have to avoid that. We absolutely have to avoid that.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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So I don't know if this is the moment to talk about what's brewing over the course of the next month.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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All right. So several of us are organizing an event. I don't really want to call it an event because although it's technically an event, I think it's much more important than that. But we're going to hold an event on the Capitol Mall on September 29th. It's going to be between the Washington Monument and the World War II Memorial. That event is called Rescue the Republic.

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And it is really about rescuing the Republic in order to save the West. This is... an attempt to gather the unity movement that is forming at this moment. Here you can see some of the characters who will be joining us on the mall. And here's the pitch I would make. There are transcendent moments in culture. There are moments at which something shifts.

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Woodstock was a music festival, but it was obviously more than a music festival. It was a defining moment for a generation. I think there's a lot that's unfortunate about what that generation has done. And in fact, I believe they've put us in the jeopardy that we're in now. And that in some ways, what we're struggling to do is get past their vision.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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The event that we are holding on the Capitol Mall on September 29th is really an attempt to bookend that era, to end it, and to start a new era in which, as Bobby Kennedy said, we love our children more than we hate each other.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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So, you know, it's a mixed story. Right. You asked the question, though, if in the future we're going to have a different conversation about what's taking place. And I just want to put a little placeholder there. The answer kind of depends if there is a future. And I worry a lot.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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And that allows us to come together and recognize each other as allies to fend off this force that is obviously targeting our civil liberties, our freedom, the very foundations of our system. So what we've done is we've outlined eight pillars. There are things which...

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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I think almost every member of your audience, really any patriot, anybody who understands the value of the West would resonate with. These are just fundamentals, and we can go through them in a second if you want. But the idea is we're going to get as many people as we can together on the Capitol Mall. And my point would be it could be 50,000 people. That's not enough.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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If you want to prevent the other side from being able to cheat its way to victory, there needs to be a massive showing of support for this unity coalition that is emerging. This unity coalition is not MAGA. It contains MAGA. MAGA is part of that coalition. We saw that begin to happen where President Trump brought on Bobby Kennedy when Bobby Kennedy stepped out of the race, right?

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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That was the moment at which the idea of unity began to catalyze. And the question is, all right, well, how many of us are there? So gathering on the Capitol Mall is going to allow us to show just how many of us there are and how serious we are about restoring the republic and returning to the foundational principles.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Well, you should be able to recognize them by the swastikas that they're carrying, the fact that they're inciting violence. Do you think that's going to happen? Well, let's put it this way. The first of the pillars of the Rescue the Republic event is war is always the last resort. And I would broaden that a little bit just so that it's very clear to people who are listening to this.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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And I realize you're an MMA guy, so I got to be careful here. Non-consensual violence is always the last resort. If you want to gather with somebody else and fight with them under some agreement, that's fine.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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Oh, yeah. Believe me, I want to leave plenty of room for that. If I say violence is the last resort, I don't want anybody to be confused about what that means. But the point is, look, violence is the last resort, and this gathering is the attempt to avoid that happening. The people who are eroding our rights are making it inevitable.

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We want to head them off at the pass, and we want to proclaim what it is that we stand for. And the first thing that we stand for is that war is always the last result. This is not a pacifist movement. Right. In fact, I've been. All right. Do you remember learning in school?

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That not only are we headed into chaos, but that we are going to be denied the ability to have a proper historical account of the present, that we're never going to understand what these stories were doing, why they played out the way they did, why people disappeared when they did. And that that's not healthy. You need to be able to create a record.

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that this country, this bastion of freedom was forged by patriots who fought off tyrants, who beat the odds and created this country. Do you remember learning that Thomas Jefferson said that the tree of liberty must periodically be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants? So this idea that tyranny is a profound problem is written in our DNA as a nation.

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Those who are cynically dismantling the nation are putting us in that jeopardy. And what I'm afraid that people will do is they will, with some justification, say to themselves, you know what? I'm not sure how much my vote counts. I'm not sure what we can do. I'm expecting them to cheat. And then they're going to cross their fingers.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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And we're going to end up with a result that people are going to have a hard time accepting. This is the alternative. If you don't know if your vote counts, you know what does count? If you show up in a large group that makes it very clear that there are lots of us who are intent on keeping our rights. So the first of our – oh, go ahead. First of our pillars, war is always the last resort –

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Second is that we have to recodify informed consent. So the medical freedom movement is part and parcel of what we are. And I know that that's an issue that is profoundly important. I'm concerned that the... The medical freedom movement was taking shape, and then events happened that caused it to get swamped.

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#2198 - Bret Weinstein

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The fact that the Trump campaign was uninterested in talking about the problems of Project Warp Speed dropped that issue to a low priority, and we are going to reprioritize it. The third of our pillars is that we have to repel censorship, propaganda, and information control. We have a right to have a public square, to have a discussion. You have a right to be incorrect.

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So those people, the uncontacted tribes out in the tributaries, they're probably living the way they've been living for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Well, the Native Americans were essentially Stone Age.

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God, how weird is that?

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So you lost a book deal?

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Famous people to say you're awesome.

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I didn't know that. Well, it's a lot of propaganda that really works, and a lot of it is what happened when he took over Twitter. So you have to look at it from, like, what really happened? Was there real outrage when he took over Twitter? Yes, yes, there was real outrage. I firmly believe there's manufactured outrage that's done in a very directed manner.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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And I think he was most certainly the victim of that as well. And then there was a narrative that continued to get pushed like hate speech on X, hate speech.

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Yes, that anti-Semitism, that racism, that all this stuff is up. Well, if you allow people to just speak freely, you're going to have that. You're going to have that. But you can always, like, not look at that. Yeah. But you're also going to have many more good things, too.

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Monkey head soup.

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And the point was what he really exposed was that the FBI was involved in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story and that these journalists who studied the Twitter files, Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger and Barry Weiss and all these different people that went over these –

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Documents found that, hey, there's something very inappropriate happening where the government is getting these social media companies to take down true stories and to sign off and say that it's Russian disinformation.

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What does monkey head soup taste like?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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And Elon confirmed this. So that's when he became very dangerous to them. And so then the narrative of Elon being a white supremacist and Elon being – But then the thing that happens also is he will tweet wacky shit. And then he will retweet wacky shit that turns out to not be true.

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And all that, they attack and it builds up and you get a distorted perception of his value in our culture, in our society. And he's one of the greatest inventors the world's ever known. One of the greatest... engineers we have alive, and he's involved in multiple different industries, and he's changing those multiple industries in incredible ways.

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What they've done with space travel, with SpaceX, where these fucking rockets can land now, what they've done with these Starlink things that we were talking about. If it wasn't for Tesla and electric cars, do you really think there'd be as many electric cars as there are today? It wouldn't even be close.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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You wouldn't have Governor Newsom saying that California has to be all electric by 2035 because no one would be making electric fucking cars like that. There's a documentary from... Early 2000s. It's called who killed the electric car.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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I saw that in college fascinating Yeah, fascinating documentary and if it wasn't for Elon and making Tesla's awesome You wouldn't have all these fucking electric car companies and he makes everything open source.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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To align with their worldview. It's what I was talking about with Hollywood when I was talking about how people start making money and they start being very careful about what they say because they're worried about it's going to go away. you also realize there are consequences like what you experienced. So those are real financial. So that's it. And so minor, right?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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So that is how you get people to stay in line. That's how you get people to only think the way they think. And then you start reinforcing it in yourself and you start wearing pearls and doing all kinds of wacky shit because you want them to like you. You want them to think you're one of them.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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You just thought it was cool that the guy said you have a cool treehouse. He's, like, one of the coolest guys ever.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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This is the world we're living in. That's why. And it's primarily the left that's that wacky. Like if Bernie Sanders had said, cool treehouse, and you retweeted that, everybody would have loved you. You would have been fine. And the right wouldn't have attacked you.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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They wouldn't have cared. They wouldn't have been upset. You wouldn't have lost businesses. No one from the right would have not given you a book deal because Bernie said, nice treehouse. And you're like, thanks.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Yeah. So they want to keep the monkey population manageable? Is that the idea?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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It's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's a distorted perception of who you are by people that have very low level information. They have surface information. And they've decided that you're an alt-right this. Or there's been many, many articles written about me being like some fringe right-wing person, which I'm not at all.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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But if they say it enough times, the people that have low information, they believe it.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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And also like real charitable organizations, like real ones, like what you're doing. It's actually helping things. It's actually designed to help. It's not designed as some sort of a front to cover money and as a tax shelter. There's a lot of philanthropy.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Yeah, a lot of it, a lot of it. But then there's also a lot of philanthropy that's not really philanthropy.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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It's money. Sure. You're making money with this philanthropy. You've got economic.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Right. But it's like monkeys are too closely related to us. This is one thing that I've noticed. People that get upset about hunting don't necessarily get upset about fishing or don't get upset about a piece of fish. Like if you put a plate of salmon, you know, like, oh, this is my lunch today. Everybody's like, oh, that's healthy.

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They make great shit.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Those barefoot hiking boots are legit. The ones they make, they're legit.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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And it's such an innocuous thing you did. It's so funny, but that's like wrong think, wrong speak. You're not allowed to like this guy. Well, that's the thing. Who am I allowed to like? None of it makes any sense. It doesn't make any sense.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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People are just so polarized. And it's also, you often have to realize that the pressure that they're under is not from that many people. It's like the commenters on Instagram. Unfortunately, the reality is most people comment on things all the time are morons and they're not happy. They're unhappy morons. So it's a bad sample group, right?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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So you're getting a lot of people that are making comments. But people, if they're commenting, I would like to know what percentage of comments, and just overall, if the internet, if anybody's ever done this analysis, are positive versus negative. I would have to say it's probably at least 50-50.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Yeah. But if you have a picture of a salmon, people get a little upset. But if you have like a steak, people don't get too upset. But if you have like a dead deer, people get very upset.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Yeah, if you're getting compared, that's a good guy to get compared to. But this polarization is just like there's a bunch of people that feed into it and they attack people because they know that the people that are on their side are like, yeah, you're one of the good guys.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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And so there's that weird shit where you got a lot of really weak people and mentally ill people that like attacking people. And that's a lot of what it is. It's a lot of people that lack nuance and understanding. But don't you think it's coming back?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Yeah, because those people are kind of being exposed for what they really are. They're very damaged human beings. Like the people that attack people all the time, they're all fucked up. All of them, 100%. Why would you, you only have so much energy in your day. Why, why are you spending it getting mad at some guy because he retweeted the greatest genius of our generation said nice treehouse.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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That's fucking ridiculous. It's a ridiculous thing to get angry about.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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It's a complicated issue. It's about restaurants and places that operate at the margins. They're very close to going under all the time. And you can get cheap, unskilled labor from young kids and high school students and people getting first jobs. And that's how they operate.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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And when you say, no, you have to pay a living wage to everybody who works, they're like, okay, now this is a lot less money.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Disconnected.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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It's great when people can do that.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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When people don't attach themselves to the ideas. That's the problem. It's almost every man that I know has a hard time. Women do it, too. But for men, it's like a dick swinging thing where they have a hard time deciding. not being attached to an idea. Like if they have espoused an idea, if they believe an idea and they're arguing that idea, that idea is a part of them.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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And they'll even lie and fuck around with things and like half truths to try to make their point, make a little, you know, they'll do bad faith arguments. You see it on podcasts all the time where people make bad faith arguments about political issues. You're like, oh God.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Now I'm never going to listen to you again because I know you do this thing that's a gross thing that you don't have to do anymore because we live in the internet now. Like you don't have to do that gross thing you do where you pretend you're right about something so that you can win this argument. That's a stupid person's way of talking.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Yeah.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Well, also, it's like, you're not your ideas. I say this all the time, but it's a really important thing for people to recognize. And to people, have it in your head. You are not your ideas. You are you. Mm-hmm. And these ideas, they come and they go, and you agree with them or you disagree with them.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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And sometimes you're going to agree with an idea, and then a few years later you're going to have some life experiences or talk to some people that will make you look at things differently and go, you know what? I used to think this, but I don't think this anymore, and here's why. And you have to be very cognizant that your ideas can capture you.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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And then you can be – like so many people are captured by – the way they want people to think of them. This is a very Hollywood thing. They want people to think of them in a very specific way, so they'll say the things that they've heard other people say who are accepted, and they'll talk in a certain way. That's where you get accents from. That's also where you get up talk.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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You know what uptalk is? So when you do this thing, and so when we build these infrastructures, what we're trying to do, so someone talked like that, and a group of people talked like that, and to get in with that group, you had to kind of talk like that. So you let them, oh, Paul is a really good guy. So what Paul is doing is quite amazing. Paul goes to the Amazon, and he's in the rainforest.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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I can't watch Valley Girl. But this is a thing that they do to let everyone know that they're on the team. It's a very tribal thing. It's almost like another language. And these tribal things that we do, we attach them to everything. We attach them to religion. We attach them to technology, even health. We attach them to ideologies. And if you don't...

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11135.089

If I can't trust you, if you're retweeting Elon Musk, don't you know he's the devil? If you're hanging out with Joe Rogan, oh my God, he's a piece of shit. These people have these little... religious ideas in their head that you can't eat pork. You can't violate this. It's Sunday, motherfucker. Why are the lights on? They have these weird laws in their head. They attach them to everything, man.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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People have like a place in their mind for religion. And if you do not have religion in your life, you will take social issues and you will treat them with the same fervor, the same fucking fever pitch that people treat religion, that people who are evangelical Christians, the people who are fucking snake handlers, you'll do that with your thing.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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And if your thing is trans kids or whatever your fucking thing is, no oil now, whatever your fucking thing is.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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a religion because you don't have religion and the human mind is set up in a way that you need some sort of divine structure you need something that's bigger than logic bigger than all of us and people will apply those things wherever they see fit you can join a cult and that's a whole different thing oh we're different we do yoga and this is our life yeah we all fuck each other I mean but then there's casualties like then Kevin Hart doesn't get to do the fucking Oscars

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Yeah, but Kevin Hart shouldn't do the Oscars. Fuck the Oscars. Kevin Hart wanted to do the Oscars. Those things are gross. And what they are is you're having a contest for art, and I think that's gross. I get it that it helps your movie sell if it's an Oscar Academy Award winner, and I get that people are celebrated for great work. I get all that. It's awesome.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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I get it's a sellout, but it's also gross. And when it was revealed to be gross was when Chris Rock was on stage and Will Smith slapped him. And then a few minutes later, Will Smith wins an Academy Award and they give him a standing ovation after he just assaulted a guy in front of everybody. It just shows you there's no ethical, moral structure to the way these people are living their lives.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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They're living their life by the whim of what the crowd agrees with.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Well, it's also they're afraid of being racist. Two black guys are duking it out. I can't get involved in this. This is not my thing. I don't know what to do. I'm gay. They're just sitting there watching this take place. And then they're clapping for him and standing up when he wins the Academy Award. And so the rest of the world, unbeknownst to them, had already cast their judgment.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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The rest of the world was like, are you out of your fucking mind? Yeah. This is insane. And so they're like, oh my God, the rest of the world think we're out of our fucking mind.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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There's no one who grabbed him immediately and escorted him out of the building.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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He did great. but not really. No? No, no, no. Chris Rock? Right after that, he was all fucked up. Like, his jokes, they were flat. Everybody was like, you just got slapped. Like, this is crazy.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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As a professional, he did that. But he went back on with the script, which is just insane. But the good thing about that is then Chris Rock really became Chris Rock again. He didn't give a fuck anymore. He's like, once you slap me on TV, I'm going off. So he became Chris Rock from Bring the Pain again. But I think what kept him from doing that in the past was that he was in the club.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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He was in the club. He was hosting the Oscars, doing these big movies.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Oh, they beat the fuck out of this guy.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Yeah, once they got him, they beat the fuck out of him. I'm sure they broke his arm. I'm pretty sure he's had multiple injuries.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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He had a knife. I mean, he was a crazy homeless person. Terrible lapse in security. Who are the security guys? They got fired. Yeah. And the whole thing was a fucking mess.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1140.293

Yeah, well, people are just so accustomed to supermarkets. They're so delusional about where your food comes from. It's a fascinating thing. And vegans are probably the worst at it because if they really, on the ground level, understood monocrop agriculture, which is what supplies most of your food, they would be horrified.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11413.321

They broke it. They probably Kimura'd him and snapped his arm.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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They beat the shit out of him. He's lucky he's alive, you know?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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With a knife.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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You know, I mean, he didn't have the knife in his hand, but he had a knife on him. Like some big fucking knife.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Brass knuckles looking thing.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Yeah, it's terrifying. It's terrifying that there's people that are so out of their fucking mind. And it's, again, the same kind of thing. He's transphobic. He's transphobic. Jokes are transphobia. Words are violence.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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No, that's not.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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But that's how nuts we are.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Did you listen to his special? Right. They didn't listen. That's the thing. No one's listening. They're not listening to me. They're not listening to Elon. They're not listening. They have these things, and they're just like religious dogma. And they lock down on those things. Dave Chappelle's a transphobe. We've got to take him out. Dave Chappelle's a living saint. Yeah, he's a beautiful person.

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He's untouchable. Amazing person. But he makes jokes about things that are real in our culture, and that's a real thing in our culture. And if you say there's a thing that you can't make fun of, that thing's bullshit. If there's ever a thing that you can't make fun of, that thing is bullshit.

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The hotel was on fire.

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The thing is comedy is comedy. And to try to say it's normal speech is ridiculous because it's not your opinions. It's things that are funny about these things. Like when someone's saying something about anything that's inappropriate, you should never say that. That's Louis C.K. 's whole act is saying the wrong thing. You're not supposed to say that. So he's going to say it. And it's hilarious.

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But it's also really well written and funny. This is not like if you sat him down and asked him his opinion on people and life, he would give you a different version. This is just an art form. It's just like a movie. Like you go to a Quentin Tarantino movie, none of those people really died. Okay? This is just art. It's just like something's creating something.

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1159.948

They'd be horrified at industrial pesticides and herbicides and all the shit that we put in the soil and... How many small animals get murdered in the process?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11607.156

Well, people are realizing that you don't have to give in to this. You don't have to listen. Because it's a small, very vocal minority of people, but most people are tired of it. Most people miss old, you don't get a good comedy movie anymore. You don't get super bad anymore. They can't make that movie anymore. Tropic Thunder.

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11631.743

I mean, we fucked ourselves. We fucked ourselves by listening to these mental patients.

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11650.074

He's sort of like... He's the only one. He's sort of like grandfathered in.

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11704.977

Like 10 minutes of the movie. Car chase. Steve McQueen?

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11708.159

To the streets of San Francisco.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1174.179

You not only have to clear space, you have to kill groundhogs and ground squirrels and anything that's in the way, anything that's going to eat your crops.

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11750.12

Look at, look at fucking Anthony Hopkins. The best. How does he live this? How's that even possible? Cause they just tear you apart. Look at his face.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11766.747

This is so ridiculous. That bear is, like, barely chasing him. Go, like, halfway down this video. Oh, he's got the fire out.

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11773.873

I don't need to see this. I'm going to have a different opinion of it. I'm going to get angry.

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11789.688

You know, that's based on a real story.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11791.49

Yeah, that's based on a guy who really did get, he crawled like 20 miles.

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11799.117

Cold water just watched every time he fucking crawled in a cold cold stream I was just like you know that incident didn't really take place in that environment though the actual incident took place on the plains it wasn't the same environment as They just rainforest they just put it up there put him in I think they filmed it See if they filmed the revenant in BC I think they filmed it in in the like the rainforest of BC You know BC is a lot like Seattle

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11826.064

Well, I think they filmed it in, like, a dense forested area. And I don't think the real incident took place in any sort of environment like that.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11844.096

Right. So, but where did they film all the forest scenes? I think it was Canada. Think it's BC because it just is way more dense than the Great Plains. It's not what the great It's not what they experienced with this guy crawled.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11857.522

It's like he's crawling across the fucking plains Like this guy got torn apart by a bear and crawl actually initial plans were to film the final scenes in Canada Although the weather was ultimately too warm so they had to go to Argentina where there was snow to shoot the ending That's the ending what about the other stuff in the woods like when they get attacked by the Native Americans I

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11880.336

I thought that was in BC. Either way, whatever it is, it's like very dense forest, which is not... Not historically accurate. No. You got to do a little bit of that. Do you? Do you? It's about the plains.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11900.625

Alberta? Yeah, there it goes. Okay.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11919.699

Okay, so the Kananaskis country and the spectacular scenery of Bow Valley in the Canadian Rockies west of Calgary, Alberta. Fucking beautiful up there, man. Yeah, so that's not the real environment where that really went down.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11942.829

Yeah, and they get attacked by the plains Indians, and that guy got fucked up by that bear out there. There was bears out there, dude. That's what's nuts. We killed them off. California has a bear, and it's a state flag. It's a big old brown bear.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11958.061

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, they fucking killed all of them. They're like, get the fuck out of here.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

11969.446

A black bear in Manhattan.

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11976.709

This is a town named after the guy who was the last guy to get killed by a brown bear in California. It's called Levesque. Nice. I think his name was Steven Levesque. The last guy that got killed by a brown bear. I'm like, that's it. We're done.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12032.248

Reddit has become like much more... Reddit is very left wing and Reddit has become very censored. Like things get pulled down off of Reddit. No, I'm saying... But 4chan is still buck wild.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12044.972

4chan. Yeah, 4chan is where like... All that QAnon craziness came from. There's a lot of nutty people out there. That's where the political frogs, those frogs, Pepe the Frog that they use for memes. It's all like internet culture, shit posters. People that are anonymously posting so they can just say the wildest things and there's no censorship.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12065.311

Yeah, but I'm saying, but what I want is, I want the God's Google.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12080.678

I think Werner Herzog destroyed that audio, which is unfortunate.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12084.779

But also, his mind was like... It's kind of funny, right? Because his mind was like, this would be too damaging. It's too bad. You don't want to hear it.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1209.624

Sustainable is one of those words like organic. People like to throw it around.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12099.242

Right, but your whole film... It's about how fucking stupid it is that this guy lives in the grizzly maze in a tent surrounded by bears. Then it's inevitable that one of them is going to eat him.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12117.053

Bro, the movie's a comedy.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12122.957

It's like, what the fuck did you just do? The whole thing. He was so nutty and he was such a crazy.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1213.805

I mean, that's like that appeal stuff. They call that organic. You know what that is?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12137.364

Yeah. That was the fox relationship.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12145.447

Yeah. Like you can just, you don't even have to have lived there a long time. You just hang out with them long enough. They'll, they'll hang out with you.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12171.579

People have done it. I know. They have pet foxes.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12178.103

You would have to feed those little fuckers, and they'd want to kill things all the time.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12184.969

Yeah, it would be like having a coyote for a pet. Yeah. I would imagine. But they're really clever. They're really clever.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1219.627

It's this coating that they put on vegetables and fruit to keep it organic.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12198.317

Oh, yeah. They're all over the place. Everywhere.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12200.858

They're in Manhattan. I don't believe that. It's 100% true. Really? Yeah. Yeah. In Central Park.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12207.041

Multiple coyote sightings. They've had them in the Bronx. Coyotes are in every city in North America.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12227.492

Yeah, man, they're all over the country. They're all over the country. And that's basically in the last hundred years. I think less than that. I think it's like from the 1950s on, they've spread across the entire country. There's a great book called Coyote America.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1224.088

from going bad the wax well it's some weird what's the ingredients of a peel so like part of it is quote unquote organic but they don't tell you what the actual ingredients are a peel is a plant based coating that's applied to fruits and vegetables to help them stay fresh longer seems normal right like yeah it's plant based but what's in there

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12245.244

I'm dying to read it. Coyote's been seen in Central Park and other parts of New York City since the 1930s.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12250.828

The number of sightings has increased in recent years, especially in 2019. Yeah. Incredibly adaptive. I mean, that's just unbelievable. They're the craziest. They adapt and they expand their range. So whenever you kill one, the females have more pups and they expand their range.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12265.64

That's why they're everywhere now.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12343.7

That's crazy. Have you seen the jaguar sightings in Arizona?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12361.352

Oh, so all the different animals that are drinking in there.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12366.658

He's going to go extinct.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12367.779

Do you think they could find the giant sloth with that? So that's an interesting one.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12376.244

I entertain the sloth one because there's so many of these people in these deep, dense jungles in the Amazon that claim that they've seen them.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1248.638

It's commonly found in organic apples, but you're supposed to wash it off with soap and water. Like we were reading that if you have an avocado, so we were in elk camp and we were reading about this stuff because we had Starlink. Starlink is fucking amazing. That's how we do it. Dude, it's like the size of this cigar box. I know.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12520.865

Well, listen, brother, I'm glad you're out there. It makes life more interesting.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

12524.647

I appreciate everything you do and I appreciate you and thank you for coming in here. It's a lot of fun. Tell everybody how they can get a hold of you and how they can see what you're up to.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1269.557

And you put it down on the ground, and you get fucking high-speed internet in the middle of nowhere. So we were reading that they were saying that to take it off of avocados, you dunk the avocado in boiling water for 10 seconds and then rinse it off. What are you talking about? What's in this stuff? Also, nobody knows that. I don't know that. Right. So I come up here, I'm eating that shit.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1289.851

Exactly. Most people are just going to eat the apple. They're not going to wash it off with soap and water. But the thing is, they're saying it's plant-based and organic. That's the thing. Sustainable. These words that people use that make you feel okay about what's going on. But I don't even know what the fuck is in there.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1308.576

A brush?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

132.155

You went on Lex's show, but Lex actually went on your show. He did it in the Amazon.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1324.362

Click on that, how to wash, remove, appeal coating, vegetable coating. Let's see if we can watch a video. It'll show us how to do it.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1335.973

Uh, let's go with the first one. That lady, she's, so she's peeling it.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1341.555

Why do you peel produce?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1344.396

We'll see the next slide. Wax and peel. So this is different though. This is wax. Yeah. This is, uh, that's cartonuba wax. That's like normal. But a peel is a new product. And it's one of those, yeah, okay, let's see what this lady has to talk. Let's talk about a peel. I don't like her earrings. But let's listen to her.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1424.459

Oh, great.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1426.08

Yeah, why would there be human trials on something that people eat and it's all over supermarkets?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1436.525

Yeah. Well, there was a big hearing in front of the Senate that Brigham Bueller, who was on yesterday, he was talking about it, you know, in front of all these representatives. And they're trying to explain what the system is and how fucked it is and how there's most of these European countries and Canada. There's a lot of ingredients, particularly dyes, that we use. Yeah.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1458.903

He was talking about how Lucky Charms that you buy in America, you can't sell it in Canada. They have to sell completely different Lucky Charms in Canada because Canada doesn't allow all these dyes because they're toxic.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1471.697

Yeah. Those are toxic dyes, and we allow them. Because we want people to, and there's also a bunch of other ingredients that make the food more addictive. Those are in our food supplies, and some of them are illegal in other countries. It's not good. And there's, it seems like, the way he was describing it, it's like the FDA is just completely overwhelmed.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1492.713

And they, you know, and then there's companies that are just pushing this stuff through. And it's kind of like, the way we described it yesterday, it's like a hoarder's house. Like, how do you clean this up? Like, you get into a hoarder's house, you're like, oh, God. Where do we fucking start? That's what our food system is like. Our food system is like a hoarder's house.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1524.156

Yes, that was Chamath.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1538.981

Yeah, some countries consider it cake because it's mostly... It's fucking cake.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1545.843

It's bullshit. We have bullshit food. And, you know, I don't eat most of that stuff. But if you do, you're going to be really unhealthy. And most people aren't educated. You know, it took me a long time to understand this stuff. And mostly, I mean, I tried to eat healthy before that.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1559.973

But mostly through the podcast and talking to people, getting an understanding of how bad this stuff really is for you. And then experimenting with diet and watching how much better my body felt. And seeing my friends who don't do it. They just look like hell.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1573.803

hell and you're mostly carnivore now yeah yeah mostly fruits and mostly meat and fruits yeah I mean I hardly eat any vegetables at all but I don't avoid them like if I want if I go out to dinner and I want to have a Caesar salad or something I'll eat it it doesn't seem to bother me but what does seem to bother me is pasta pasta and breads really hit home they really wreck me but not in Europe

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1597.949

Went to Italy last summer, had pasta, had pizza, no problem at all. There's a bunch of things that we do. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. explained a lot of it. So did Gary Brekka. He explained a lot of it. One of them is enriched flour, what's so-called enriched flour. It contains a bunch of chemicals like folic acid and a bunch of shit your body has a hard time digesting.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1620.223

It's also they use heirloom wheat in Italy, and heirloom wheat is the original wheat. What we did was we changed wheat to make higher yield so that a smaller piece of land, you can get more wheat out of it. So because of that, it has more complex glutens, makes it more difficult for your body to process.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1639.271

And then on top of that, the big one may be – there's a lot of speculation about this, but there's some serious evidence that most people – who eat the common American diet, what was the number of the people that had Roundup in their system? So glyphosate.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1654.759

Yeah, glyphosate is a really powerful pesticide that they spray on all kinds of different plants. I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of people tested had glyphosate in their system. Roundup.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1671.75

Exactly. And it's illegal in some countries and should be illegal in America. But the problem is if you make it illegal, how are these monocrop agriculture companies going to function? Okay, it's 80%. That's 87% of children. 87% of children. So this is 2022. I would imagine this goes up every year. 80% of Americans have Roundup in their urine. That is so crazy. Crazy. That's so dangerous.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1696.084

And it's also fairly new in terms of human history. I mean, I think Roundup has only been around since the, is it the 90s? When did Roundup, when did glyphosate start becoming ubiquitous on crops? It's fucking dangerous, man, because we're rolling the dice. A lot of the stuff that people eat causes long-term health consequences.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1720.83

And so when you're dealing with short-term stuff, like stuff that's only been around for five, six years, it takes a long time before you figure out what's happening. So 74, Roundup, which contains active ingredients, glyphosate, was first introduced to commercial agriculture in 74. So scroll down so we can see when it ramps up. So 74, okay, wasn't widely used until 96. That's what I read.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1747.751

So Monsanto began selling genetically modified seeds that were resistant to Roundup. This allowed farmers to spray their entire crop beds with Roundup without risking losing their crops. It's an herbicide, right? Yeah, okay. Not a pesticide, an herbicide. But it's fucking terrible for you. Terrible. And 80% of people have it in their blood.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1781.706

Shane Gillis has a great joke about George Washington. George Washington's dentures were made out of lead. And that's why George Washington was such a fucking psycho.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1794.271

I read that when they were talking about the amount of plastic that people find. Most men have plastic in their sperm, plastic in their testicles. You have plastic in your brain. And a lot of that plastic is the plastic that's derived from PVC. So it's coming from water pipes. I thought our water pipes were metal.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1814.483

Some water pipes are metal, but when I used to do construction, we did a lot of houses where they used PVC pipes. A lot of PVC pipes underneath kitchen sinks and stuff. So all that stuff, when water's going through that, you're picking up these little particles of plastic. And those little particles of plastic, you cook your food in it, you drink a glass of water from the tap.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1836.007

All that stuff is getting you plastic. And then there's cooking in microwave. If you have one of those things you lift up and you have a piece of plastic over the lid and you cook microwave with that and it's in a plastic bowl, that's all fucking getting into your body. That's all getting in your blood.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1863.633

Obviously, they make stuff for campers that you can get, you know, and that's why we switched these steel cups here. We used to just go through so many bottles of water. I was like, this is fucked. So we bought a filtration system and, you know, and started using steel cups. But it's like our...

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1880.223

This whole thing in America, one of the things we talked about yesterday with Brigham is the Make America Healthy Again movement, which is Robert Kennedy Jr. and a bunch of other folks that are involved in this. And it's exciting that this is gaining steam because people are concerned about their health and they are concerned about... All the different chemicals that are in your fucking food.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1900.631

But the problem is now that's been attached to right-wing ideology. So people are calling people that are interested in that far-right people.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1911.458

Yeah, it's nuts, man. But it's just because it's attached to Trump. It's because the Trump administration, you know, make America great again and also make America healthy again with Robert Kennedy Jr. He's involved in that. So people are just labeling that as some sort of alt-right fuckery and woo-woo bullshit. And it's not. It's fucking dangerous for all of us. We really need to wake up.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1939.164

Absolutely.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1962.979

All these things can be solved. This is what's fucked. It's like we have so much money to solve other countries' problems and we don't have any money to solve our own health problems. That's very strange. It's very short-sighted and very bizarre. And we need to do something about it. We need to do something about it now.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

1980.73

It's really scary when you think that if this unchecked happens, these corporations will continue to sell you things that are very bad for you if they're profitable. As long as they're not penalized for it. And I guarantee you, those people that know that, the people that are, they probably don't eat any of that shit.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2006.872

People, you go to restaurants, you see little kids with an iPad sitting on a tray just standing there so their parents can have a conversation. The kid's just like hypnotized by some fucking cartoon.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2020.383

Yeah, they try to do it to magazines. You ever see little kids try to do that?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2028.146

I think I did that once.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2036.029

I think I almost did that once. I think I looked at a magazine, and I brought my hand up and went, what the fuck are you doing?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2066.857

It's cool to be able to do it, but now we're also inundated with images. all over the world, and a lot of them are horrific events, which is the things that people are trying to capture the most. So it's like every day, what's going on today? Right now, Iran is bombing Israel. So there's missiles. Do you know about this? Nope. It's fucking terrifying, dude. It's on like Donkey Kong right now.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2093.318

See if you can get some of the footage. Iran is launching hundreds of missiles at Israel. And there was a mass shooting, some sort of a terror attack in Tel Aviv today as well. So there's some sort of coordinated attack on Israel. Obviously, Israel just did that stuff with Hezbollah where they blew up the pagers and blew up walkie-talkies and killed a bunch of people and then...

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2118.616

shot a bunch of bombs into Lebanon, and it's all getting very, very scary. It's all ramping up in a fucking terrifying way. But this video, it also shows that the Iron Dome, Israel's famous missile defense system, it doesn't seem to be catching all of them. I mean, if you have enough launched your way at the same time, some of them are going to sneak through.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

212.528

Fuck all that.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2141.554

So this is what it looks like right now. It's fucking crazy. These are all missiles, man, flying everywhere. At Israel. Jeez. Yeah, it's fucking terrifying.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2155.578

The video that I was seeing was them impacting...

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2162.798

Yes. So this is where you see the Iron Dome is working. So when they blow up, that's the Iron Dome. So what it is is they find the trajectory of these missiles. The ones that are going to open area, they let them slip through because it's not going to harm anything. And then those, those are hitting down. But the ones that are going into the city area, they shoot down.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2184.083

And, you know, I don't know how... many missiles they have to do this. I mean, you'd have to have fucking thousands on standby. Because if they just launch enough at you, you're not going to have enough missiles.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2200.095

Wow. You imagine being in a city, you see 180 missiles coming at you.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2219.046

Yeah.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2222.387

Human beings are very adaptable, unfortunately. Well, fortunately, because that's why we're still here. But unfortunately, we get accustomed to some pretty horrific conditions. And that's what people are accustomed to. I mean, imagine living in Gaza. Imagine that. You were living in a place where literally a year ago today, it was fine. It was normal. And then now it's rubble.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

224.436

Oh, it happens all the time.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2246.523

And there's tens of thousands of people dead.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2316.785

Right. You didn't see it on your phone 24-7 all day long.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

2328.297

So it says Iran launches a missile attack on Israel, but Israeli military says no casualties reported. So I guess that was the thing that we're saying, that the Iron Dome, when they know that something's going to go to an open area where there's no one there, they don't even bother wasting a missile on that. A U.S.

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defense official said the United States intercepted some of the missiles to help defend Israel. So we're over there, too, doing that? The IDF is doing and will do everything necessary to protect the civilians of the state of Israel. The Israeli military said in a statement warning people in the country to stay in shelters. The explosions you hear originate from interceptions or falls of missiles.

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The air defense system detects and intercepts threats all the time. So what happened in Tel Aviv today, Jamie? There was some sort of mass shooting in Tel Aviv that coincided with this. Which is really scary. You know, it's like what they experienced on October 7th. Okay, fucking ads. At least eight dead and suspected terror attack shooting in Tel Aviv. So they even, oh, so Jesus Christ.

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Let's scroll down to that image. So some dude's just gunning people down. Scroll up. The deadly ordeal unfolded when two gunmen jumped off a train in the central Israeli city of Jaffa and started firing at just 7 p.m. local, just after 7 p.m. local time, according to authorities. Eight killed, at least seven wounded. And, you know, a lot of people, look at that guy's dead right there.

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A lot of people there are armed too, which is fucking crazy.

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Have you ever seen hot girls in Israel? Like, you can see them at a coffee shop with a fucking... No. With an AR hanging off a rifle sling. Yeah. There's, like, a bunch of videos of them. Because so many of these people... You have mandatory military service in Israel.

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So all the civilians have to... There's no civilians. Like, everyone is at least a former soldier.

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Yeah, you have to be. If I saw shit like that in the skies... These hot girls walking down the street with machine guns... Hot girls with machine guns. How nuts. But that's just the world they live in. And they're just hanging out. Yep. As a baby. Right. And look, she has like cute shoes on. At any moment, it could pop off. And so they don't fuck around. They just stay strapped.

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They don't just stay strapped. They stay strapped with fucking weapons of war. Those are no joke.

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No, she's got a gigantic magazine. She's probably got spare magazines. Yeah, and she probably knows how to shoot it. She was in the military.

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Yeah, women have to join the Israeli military as well. Look, they're surrounded. I mean, this is something that's very different.

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We've got so few attacks on American soil, you know, you have Pearl Harbor, which is kind of America You know Hawaii should be its own country.

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I mean, it's kind of feel like it we own Hawaii I mean, I guess it's good that Hawaii gets the protections of the United States But it's kind of crazy that it's five mile five hours rather by airplane over the ocean in the middle until you get to Hawaii and that's considered America But, I mean, I don't know how they feel about it. I'm assuming they'd probably like to have sovereignty.

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But the point is, like, that was World War II, so that was Pearl Harbor. That's an attack on American soil. What's after that? It's 9-11. 9-11. That's crazy. Like, we are so... used to being safe. Whereas you think of even Russia, what Russia went through, the losses that Russia went through during World War II, absolutely fucking horrific. And they've done that throughout history.

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There's been conflicts throughout history in Russia. Now you go into any other part of the world. I saw something terrible today. Some fucking workers at the Great Wall of China, they didn't want to go the long way around the wall, so they broke down a section of the Great Wall of China so they could drive through it. Did they have machinery? Did they have sledgehammers?

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Yeah, they were doing fucking construction work out there, so they just broke down the Great Wall. Jail. Oh, they're going to get worse than jail in China. Yeah. They're going to turn you into a fucking suitcase. That's terrible. They'll make you make iPhones for 20 years, and then they're going to turn you into a jacket.

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It's fucking horrible, man. People are just so gross. Imagine that mahogany tree that you saw. Look at these assholes. They broke through the Great Wall. Chinese construction workers accused of plowing a hole through the Great Wall.

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Yeah, people are gross. People are gross, and people are also very short-sighted and sometimes don't even understand the consequences of what they're doing. They just do things, you know?

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Lex is a secret savage.

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Look at his face.

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Yeah. He could live out there.

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Yeah, I think so too. Right? Yeah, I think there's just, you're going to get everything, right? You're going to get people that are willing to launch missiles at Israel. You're going to get people that are willing to chop down ancient mahogany trees. And then you get people like you that dedicate your life to saving the rainforest.

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It's one of the cool things about people because it makes people like you so much more exceptional. It makes people so much more interesting because it's rare. And then someone dedicating their entire life to doing what you've done is even more rare. And that's part of the cool thing about people. I think – and it's a horrible thing to say, but I think it's unfortunately true.

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You need evil to appreciate good. You need hate to appreciate love. It's just a part of the way the human mind and our – just overall psychology, just the way we operate in the world. It's unfortunate, but it's a part of being a person. And I think –

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Hate and anger and destruction actually motivates love and construction and progress and doing things correct and recognizing what can happen if you do things the wrong way. Let's do things the right way. Like organic farming, like people changing their farms to regenerative agricultural farms.

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is coming out of people who are looking at these industrial monocrop agriculture farms and the waste that it produces, which is legal. The waste that it produces in river systems is fucking insane. There's a guy that we've had on. His name is Will Harris. And Will is from this farm in Georgia called White Oaks Pastures. It's a regenerative farm. He got this farm. It's a family-owned farm.

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They've had it forever. And it took him years to change this farm from an industrial farm to regenerative agriculture. But there's a section of the river near his property where his property line meets his neighbor. So his neighbor has an industrial farm and he has regenerative agriculture. And you can see it in the river. There's a clear line of differentiation. Look at that.

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Yes. Shit. All that stuff. So most of these farmlands, the topsoil is gone. There's no... Whoa, Jesus. There's no minerals. There's no nutrients. There's no nothing. And so you have to use industrial strength fertilizers. You have to lose all this garbage and bullshit. And so that stuff is... It just sits on the top.

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And so when the rain comes and when they spray the crops and water the crops, the runoff goes right in the river. So these poor fish are just getting fucking choked to death on all this shit. And then there's the pesticides and the herbicides and whatever the fuck they're spraying.

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That's not Will.

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I don't know who that gentleman is. I think he works at Will. But he's explaining how bad the situation is that comes off of these other farms. So the left is what the creek is supposed to look like. The right is what happens. And no consequences. You should be in trouble for this, right? Like, hey, you can't run your farm this way. Like, is this what happens when you run your farm this way?

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Stop the farm. Okay, we've got to figure out how to do this the right way. Is there a way for your water to look like the water is six inches away? Is there a way? Well, that's the only way you can make farming. So in Russia, organic, like they don't even allow genetically modified crops anymore.

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No, no. Putin is like, this is bullshit. This should be illegal. When you're a dictator, you can do stuff like that.

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And we can do a lot less of that, too. There's another issue. Commoditizing hemp. A lot of the stuff that we cut trees down for is paper. Let's Google in America how many acres of trees are cut down every year for paper. So the demonization of the recreational drug cannabis... came entirely from hemp, the commodity. It wasn't about the drug being bad.

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No, people had consumed that drug for thousands of years. It's one of the safest drugs in terms of risk profile. The LD50 of marijuana is nuts.

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LD50 is lethal dose at 50%.

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I used to have a joke about it. The only way you die from marijuana is if they drop a bundle of it from a CIA drug plant and it hits you in the head. You can do stupid things that could wind up getting killed. You can abuse everything, right? You certainly abuse marijuana. And by the way, I want to say marijuana is not totally safe. Everybody thinks it's totally safe. No, it's not.

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There's certain people that have a tendency towards schizophrenia, and high-dose marijuana has been proven to cause schizophrenic breaks in people. Alex Berenson wrote a book about it. It's called Tell Your Children, and I agree with him. I've met people that have had schizophrenic breaks from marijuana. 40% of the world's industrial logging goes into making paper.

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This is expected to reach 50% in the near future. US uses approximately 68 million trees each year to produce paper and paper products. Worldwide consumption of paper has risen by 400% in the last 40 years, with 35% of the harvested trees being used for paper manufacture. That's crazy.

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That's actually renewable. Like that term that people like to throw around, renewable, that's actually renewable. It grows like a weed because it kind of is a weed. My friend Todd used to have like a stalk of a mature hemp plant on his desk. And it's about this thick around. Like, if that was a piece of oak, it would be really heavy. But it's hard, like this table, which is oak. But it's light.

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Like styrofoam. It's light like balsa wood. But it's hard. So it has incredible... Power, like in its fibers. Its fibers are extremely unusual. So they make the most durable clothing, like canvas. The word canvas comes from cannabis. But is this weed itself? No. Like if you have like a weed plant. It's not the same thing. No, well, you can. It's the same thing.

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But you can also grow strains of it that are not psychoactive at all. It's just a similar, same family. So they weren't growing it as a commodity for drug consumption. They were growing it to make paper. See, this is what happened. I'm taking you down the dark conspiracy of marijuana road. What happened is in the 1930s, they invented a machine called the decorticator.

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And what the decorticator did was it allowed you to effectively process hemp fiber easily and quickly. So when Eli Whitney came out with the cotton gin, now all of a sudden cotton became a very easy cloth to use and people started wearing cotton ubiquitously, right? Well, what they used to use was hemp because hemp is way more durable. I mean, crazy difference.

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Like I have a hemp jujitsu gi made by Datsusara and you can't rip this motherfucker. Like you grab it and I've had one, one of my gis is like eight years old. But if I have a cotton gi, eight years in, that shit's torn apart. So the only thing that goes on those things are the threads. And, you know, I guess you could make hemp threads. I don't even know if they do.

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But the point is it's, like, far more durable. As a paper, it's a far superior paper. Far superior like it's much tougher. It's tough to like I've had paper Demonstrate to me like it's harder rip man. Yeah crazy. It's weird.

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It's a fucking alien plant it really is and When they invented this decorticator well William Randolph Hearst who also owned Hearst publications who also own paper mills and Scientific America had on the cover of their magazine hemp the new billion dollar crop And it was a show decorator to them. It was all when they invented this thing.

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So the propaganda to stop the industry of hemp from exploding. DuPont came out with a chemical composition for nylon. They were going to use nylon for ropes. Hemp is what they always use for ropes. Hemp is what they use for sails. So that's a decorator. That looks like a modern one.

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Well, it's basically like a wheel with some teeth to it, and it grinds the shit out of the hemp. And what they used to use back in the day was slave labor. So slave labor and poor people would have to do all this incredibly back-breaking work to break down the fibers because they're so tough and durable.

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Well, then they invented this machine, and once this machine got rolling, they're like, oh, shit, let's start using hemp because it's way better. Mm-hmm. So all this Forrest cutting down shit is completely unnecessary.

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And a paper guy in the 1930s. And so he got together with Harry Anslinger, and they utilized all these people that they were using to make alcohol illegal to probe. Excuse me, the prohibitionists during the time where they were going after whiskey manufacturers and gin makers and these moonshine people, which is where NASCAR came from, by the way. NASCAR came out of moonshiners.

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Yeah, they needed a souped up car. So they took those people who were just arresting people all over the country for alcohol, and then they sicked them on marijuana. And marijuana was never the term for cannabis. Yeah. Marijuana was a slang term for a wild Mexican tobacco, a totally different plant.

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So William Randolph Hearst starts printing articles in his paper about Mexicans and black guys who are smoking this new drug, marijuana, and raping white women. And then they fund Reefer Madness and they fund these movies, these propaganda films.

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All that comes from hemp. It all comes from the commodity, from them having this interest in paper. Research suggests that hemp is twice as effective as trees at absorbing and locking up carbon. So hemp is one of the fastest growing plants in the world. It can grow four meters high in 100 days. Four meters high in 100 days. In 100 days, you have a new crop.

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It's the best fucking thing we can grow for paper, which is 40% of all the trees we're chopping down. Have you ever been to old growth forests in the Pacific Northwest where they do logging? Well, you've been to the Amazon. You've seen the worst slash and burn art. But the point is, if you go to these cut places, these places where they cut the trees, they grow new trees.

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They plant new trees there. But it takes forever.

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Hundreds of years. Thousands of years.

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It's horrible. It's horrible that we can just walk up to something that's a thousand years old and make a fucking basket out of it. Like, this is unnecessary. It's totally unnecessary. Yep. And it could, well, it can all be mitigated. This can all be mitigated. All of it can. You know, the real problem is hardwoods.

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You know, hardwoods are very, very valuable and people like them and, you know, and they're protected in some places and not others. Like, in California, if you have oak trees, you can't chop them down unless you get a permit. Like, we had a tree that was about to fall on our house. It was like, ugh.

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It's on the way go and you know California the earth tends to shake a little bit a little bit things go sideways and your fucking house gets crushed by a tree, but you know you have to there's We have to figure out how our desire for hardwood like the source of that hardwood, if your desire for a beautiful mahogany table, they're beautiful, gorgeous, look at your desk, amazing.

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But if you could go to the Amazon and see that someone chopped down a tree that you were describing, that massive tree that people had probably hadn't seen in a hundred years or whatever. Maybe ever.

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Maybe there's no one else dumb enough to walk through that place with no water.

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When I was in Scotland, they were claiming this. I don't know if this is true, because there's a lot of really old shit in Scotland. They have these stones. Really? Yeah, we were in Scotland. There's these guide stones on the ground, and I go, what's that from? They go, we don't know. I go, how old is it? They're like, it's about 5,000 years old. I was like, what?

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You just walk up to a 5,000-year-old stone. There's a stone circle out there. There's a stone circle that someone has constructed. It's similar to Stonehenge, but on a much, much smaller scale. And it's older than Stonehenge. And it's just on the street in front of this dude's house. So this guy said, do you want to see it?

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No, it has a little plaque that's like that big. So we got out of the car and we walk over to it. You could walk on it. You could stand on it. I'm like, this is so weird. Like, how old is this? They're like, we're not exactly sure, but it's thousands and thousands of years old. Like the druids made these things.

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They don't know. They don't know who did it. They don't know why. This guidestone was just on the ground next to this pathway. And I was like, what is this? That's a 5,000-year-old guidestone. I'm like, what is – what? Who put that there? Why isn't there a museum built around this fucking thing? That's crazy that it's just laying on the ground.

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Yes.

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So weren't they saying that, so they were telling me that the oldest tree in the world is in Scotland. I was like, I don't know how that's true. I thought the oldest tree was, has to be in Africa.

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Yeah, what's the oldest tree? No, this is just I didn't want to tell the guy get the fuck out of here They said the oldest tree he was he was giving me a tour a tour of the land These are coos. These are coos. They're cows. They call the cows coos. I go, what are you saying, man? Scotland's oldest tree. So it's 3,000 and 9,000 years old.

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Yeah, they don't know. I mean, that's the thing about that area. There's a lot of just guessing. There's a lot of just guessing. So see if you can show me a photo of the oldest tree. Yeah, they're gnarly looking, like you're saying. It's not like a massive tree.

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You know, when you walk by it, you would think, oh, it's just a tree. You would never think that thing's 9,000 years old. But I'm curious what the oldest tree period is. I think that's the one. That's the one they were saying is the oldest tree. Well, this is just what this guy is telling me. What is that one? The oldest tree in the world. What's that one? Is it in the U.S.?

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That one looks like it's in the Middle East. I don't think so. No. Couldn't be, right? I don't know. Bristlecone. Where's that one? Pine. Great base, 900 years. It doesn't say. Where's Bristlecone? California. California. So the oldest tree in the world is in California? No.

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Oh, no, no, no. It says, yeah. I don't think they're saying it.

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Is that maybe just like trees around the world that they're studying in Atlanta?

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The oldest tree in the world. It looks like shit. It looks like you would expect the oldest tree. You wouldn't expect the oldest tree to look like those great redwoods. California. California. Doesn't have a single fucking leaf. So how old is that one? How is it alive? How old is the oldest tree in the world? 4,855 years old. Yikes. Methuselah. They have a name for it.

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So some cocksucker, you know there's some dude that's thinking about turning that into a desk. You know, there's some fucking tech shithead. U.S. Forest Service doesn't tell visitors precisely where Methuselah stands, nor does the organization release photographs of the ancient tree. Someone's going to fuck it up.

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But this is interesting, Jamie, because I guess that other website's incorrect. Because the other website was saying it might be 9,000 years old.

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Yeah, but that's not Scotland. Different country, but I'm sure they have some old shit, too. Prometheus. I think that's the thing about a lot of these old, old trees is it's kind of guesswork.

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I don't think they really know. And I think it probably behooves them, behooves them to exaggerate a little. Hooves. You know, because it's kind of a good bragging point. Say, we got the oldest tree in the world. Yeah, it's a draw for your town, whatever. Sort of. There's no one out there. It was really cool. There's no one in Scotland, bro.

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Scotland is like the whole country is like the size of Austin.

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So is that a sequoia?

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Yeah, man. Have you gone up to Northern California? Did that rain for us?

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I'm not nervous now, though.

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They have one that has a tunnel carved out.

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And people want to cut them down.

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Oh, yeah. People are gross. Especially some fucking psychopath who's on Adderall. Sherman tree contains more wood volume in its trunk than any other tree on earth. And you know that's not the biggest one. That seems like to make sense to me. Like, that's the oldest tree. You know, when I see that little ratty little fucking bush in the desert, I'm like, that's not the oldest. You lying, bitch.

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Yeah.

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And every year it's just adding a millimeter to its – Well, we know so much about the world in comparison to what they knew 500 years ago. But yet we still know so little. They still – like 2010, they found a new human species. Yeah. The Denisovans. They didn't even know the Denisovans were a thing until 2010.

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And now they think that the Denisovans, like a lot of the Aborigine people in Australia, have Denisovan in them. And maybe possibly even Neanderthal in them.

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Well, wasn't a gorilla like a myth until they went – I think gorillas were like mythical creatures until like the 1800s. Like when did they discover gorillas?

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It wasn't until early 19th century that people native from the areas where they live, such as the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Gabon, knew gorillas better. But among people outside of Africa, they were mostly mythological creatures.

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Yeah.

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This is a really controversial one. It's the Bondo ape. And that's a particular area of the Congo called Bili. And Bili has this unusual strain of chimpanzees that have a crest on their head like a gorilla. So this is a normal chimpanzee skull. Okay. See how it's smooth on the top?

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Gorillas have this big crest because their mandible muscles are so massive because they mostly just, they only eat plants. So they're mostly eating fiber. So they're just crushing roots and stuff all day.

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Massive muscles. Well, these chimpanzees, they thought initially they perhaps were a hybrid between chimpanzees and gorillas because they're much bigger. They're like six feet tall. A hybrid between chimpanzees. And they're enormous. It's a really controversial thing. Some people think that it's just an unusual group of chimpanzees.

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There's this area in Africa, there's a documentary on it called Relentless Enemies. It's an amazing documentary about this river changed course over the years and these lions got stuck on this island with nothing but water buffalo. So all the lions look like Yoel Romero. They all just look fucking Brock Lesnar lions. Female lions as big as male lions in other parts of Africa.

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Super jacked female lions just fucking up these water buffaloes.

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Yeah, because they have to adapt to their environment. So there was some thought that maybe this was a particular strain of chimpanzee that had adapted and was just unusually large. But they're fucking huge, man. There's a guy named Carl Armand. He's a Swiss wildlife photographer. And he dedicated his life to exploring these animals and documenting them.

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And he got photographs of them on a camera trap walking on two legs. Bro, you gotta see what they look like. Oh, yeah, they like nutty. They look nutty. I mean, they're hunched over a little bit But they look so much bigger than a regular chimpanzee.

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No, they have they have tissue samples. They have bones. So we have separate DNA Yep, plenty of videos of these things there It's an actual animal that the question is is this a subspecies? Is it a completely different species? It's like Right. You know they have bonobos. Can we be able to tell that from the tissue? Well, it's a novel tissue though, right? So it's a new thing.

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So if it is, they're trying to figure out exactly what happened and how many of them there are. And it seems to be in this incredibly dense war-torn area of the Congo where these things live. But we know there's bonobos, right? Which kind of look like chimpanzees, but they're really different. They're not violent at all. They just fuck. Yeah, peace and love.

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They have arguments and they fuck each other. And that's how they get over everything. They use hemp. Yeah, they probably do. They're probably stoner monkeys. I wonder what's in their diet. But these monkeys are, these chimpanzees, rather, are very different than the other chimpanzees, like from Chimp Nation, where they're super violent. And they kill monkeys all day.

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It was good to see you again. Good to see you. Every time I see him, I'm like, I'm glad he's still alive. It's like, where you live is so crazy.

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And they, you know, they fight over fruit.

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Netflix document. Fucking amazing. That's the one where the scientists were embedded with these chimpanzees for 20 years. So the chimpanzees behave completely normal. When you say embedded, like what Goodall did, like sitting there, like right there. Yes, they lived with them. So they set up camp in these forests, and they had very clear rules. Number one, stay 20 yards away, always. Not much.

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Not much. Pretty close. But when it gets close to 20 yards, get out of there. No food. Don't bring any food. Don't look them in the eyes. No fucking around. And so the chimpanzees, their whole life... Chimpanzee lives in the wild probably 15, 20 years or whatever. Their whole life they've been around these people. So they act completely normal. Those people are just like another tree.

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Just another thing that's not of consequence. It doesn't steal resources from them. It doesn't try to intimidate them. It doesn't infringe on their territory. Never gets closer than 20 yards. No worries. So because of that, they've got this insane footage. It's one of the most incredible documentary series of all time. And they study the social behavior between the chimpanzees.

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And I had the guy on who directed it. It was really fascinating. I'm like, how often do they eat monkeys? He's like, dude, we couldn't even show them all. They're just eating monkeys all day. That's their favorite thing to do. And they just rip them apart.

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And they didn't even know that until the 90s. When David Attenborough went to the jungle to film chimpanzees, they caught them hunting monkeys and eating them alive. It's terrifying. It's crazy. It is terrifying. There's a monkey, and this chimp has it like his hand is around its waist, and it's just eating it from the hips down like this. And the monkey's going, Jesus!

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It's just got this little monkey face that looks so much like ours. It's so close to us. And this chimp's just chewing chunks.

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Pulling a leg off and handed it to this other chimp, and he's chewing it.

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Oh, yeah, they share. They share. Well, that's a big part of this docuseries. Interesting. Is how they set up those social structures. Their social structures are so similar to ours. We think that the biggest chimpanzees, like the alpha male, it's not. Some of them it's not. It's a smart one who has made comrades and made a community and is very fair.

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Chimpanzees have a very strong sense of fairness and being slighted. Like if one of the elders doesn't get a piece of the monkey, they get fucking furious. Like what have you done? Like you have to make right. Like you have to like sue people's or monkeys, chimpanzees, anger at being slighted.

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Yeah. They studied white-tailed deer as well. Same thing happens. The big guys are fighting. When the big guys are fighting, the little sneaky ones are like, hey, you want some ladies?

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See if you can find a photograph of that Bondo ape. Yes, please. Again, very controversial. Why is it controversial, though? Because people don't want to believe it's real. So that's one, yeah, that one's a dead one that they shot at an airport. Look at the size of it compared to those guys.

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I was just trying to get on a plane. You ever see that movie, The Congo? It's a stupid movie. I read the book. It was a cool book where the gorillas could talk. But those chimpanzees, the crazy chimpanzees, were based on these Bondo apes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the idea. Look at that picture up in the top right with the black and white one. Yeah. Well, find the camera trap photo.

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Scroll down a little bit. It'll probably be one of the first photos that you see. There's a camera trap photograph of, no, that's a different one. That's one that, um, lived in America.

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There's one, they, they called them humanzy and they thought at one point in time that maybe somebody had fucked a chimpanzee. Um, These are all cool. That's it. That's it. Where it says World of Carl Armand on the top shelf. Yeah, right there. That's the camera trap photo. That's not the best version of it. I've seen more clear version, but he's walking around and they're enormous.

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These guys said they had a Land Rover and they had a Defender and they stopped or whatever the truck was. They stopped the truck in the road as one walked by and it was taller than the truck. What? So they're huge. They're enormous. Some of them are, like I said, they're like six foot tall chimpanzees. And just imagine how strong a regular chimp is. So that's definitely that one up there.

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Click on that. Click on the gallery. So Carl Armand is this guy who was this wildlife photographer that when they became aware of this subspecies. See the photographs of the skull? Yeah.

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They're fucking huge, man. And there's not a large population of them, and it's not very well studied. Because it's so remote mm-hmm.

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It's very fucking dangerous to get there But you see those two bones on the ground show that image again look at the size difference between the regular chimpanzee skull in the background and then the Bondo ape in the foreground and look at the crest on the head nuts The locals have two names for chimpanzees. They call them tree beaters and lion killers. Lion killers? Lion killers.

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And the lion killers, first of all, there's no lions in the jungle. Lions are not king of the jungle. Well, there's no lions. Lions live in the savannah. So calling them lion killers is probably just a fun name. But they have found, they did video one that was eating a jaguar.

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A leopard. But they don't know if it found the leopard dead and ate it. They don't know what the fuck happened.

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180 pounds, and the strength of a 500-pound man. So you weigh probably close to it, right? You probably weigh about 180. So your weight, but the strength of a 500-pound man. Now imagine one that's not 5 feet tall, but 6 feet tall, and is not 200 pounds, but 300 pounds or 350 pounds. What? Get that guy in the octagon. Dude, fuck that. A regular chimpanzee would fuck a human up.

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But that photograph of those two men that's sitting there with one that they shot, that's one that they think is confirmed to be one of these Bondo apes. And it's so much bigger than them. But you have to think like, okay, these guys, first of all, they're in the background. Just like when you catch a fish, you hold the fish out in front of you. It's a perspective thing.

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Exactly. But the guy does have his hand on his shoulder. There's some things you can't fake, like the size of his nuts.

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And look at the size of his hand. His hand's massive. That's a massive chimpanzee. grab onto some serious branches with that. Google Humanzee because Humanzee was a weird one. These people had this chimpanzee and they dressed it up like a person and it had weird facial features where it looked so similar to a person. Yeesh. It looks weird.

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Dude.

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Along the way. That one right there to the left of that. Yeah, right there where you're at is good, too. So look at his face. I don't like that. Strange, right? Strange features. He looks like he could work at a bank. Very weird. So it led people to think that his name is Oliver. It led people to think that Oliver was some sort of a hybrid. But it doesn't seem like he is.

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It just seems like he just had odd facial. But look, they put him in a fucking suit and tie and shit. And they're fine. But he became sexually attracted to his carer. And preferred humans over chimps. The problem with those things is they're horny. Just like, you know, and he doesn't even know there's other chimps because he doesn't get to see them. You look close enough.

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He's like, I'll fuck you, lady. And, like, she's taking care of him. He's like, take care of this. He's a horny chimpanzee.

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I'm sure. They're primates. Well, this is, you know, that's that Chimp Nation show that's on. Have you seen that on Netflix?

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I'm serious. Not Chimp Nation. Chimp Crazy. Chimp Crazy is all about these people that are like the Tiger King people. Instead of having tigers, they have chimps.

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Yeah. Carl's up. He's like, what the fuck? Chimps? They'll eat you, Carl. In a goddamn heartbeat.

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Yeah, that's just another chimpanzee. That's not him. But I'm sure they took him from the Congo or wherever. Apparently, this is also something that we learned from the guys from Chimp Crazy that we're on. We're explaining how this trade works where they kidnap these babies from their mother. And then they start raising them in captivity in America. And some places, like Wyoming, it's legal.

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So they all go to Wyoming. Or was it Missouri? Where was it that they buy chimps? Missouri, right?

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Did you go a whole day without water at all?

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And what's the temperature?

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So when they get to be dangerous, they just shoot them and burn them?

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Well, it's a weird hybrid because... I think it's, is it a male tiger and a female lion or a male lion and a female tiger? I think it's a male tiger. So in the problem is in male lions, the gene that regulates size. Hmm. exists.

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So when a male lion breeds with a female lion, I might be fucking this up, but I know that this is the problem with the liger, why they're so big, is because whether it's the male or the female, so it's a hybrid opposite, male lion and a tiger female. Okay. So in the female lion then, Or in the male tiger, one of them, there's this gene that regulates how big you get.

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And it doesn't exist in the liger.

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They get so big. Their head. How big do they get, Jamie?

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900 pounds.

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Yeah. So this one says it got to 922 pounds. Hercules, the largest non-obese liger. So he's non-obese, not fatso.

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I bet he's not if he's 922. Wow. When he was three years old, he weighed 408 pounds. Oh, my God. 900 pounds. 408 kilograms. Oh, my God. And now it weighs. Oh, my God. Value the King's Animal Sanctuary in Wisconsin had a male liger named Nook who weighed over 1,213 pounds. Oh, my God. So lion and tiger in captivity are under 1,100 pounds. How big does a Siberian tiger get?

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I don't understand why you continue to do it, but I guess you love it. I have to do it.

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What's the largest Siberian tiger?

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That's such a big animal, the Siberian. 11 feet long.

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It's 10 foot 11 inches long from nose to tail, weighed 932 pounds. Look at that face. Bro, they're so beautiful, too. That's what's crazy, that it's a cat that lives in the snow. Like, you think of tigers, you think of India. Jungles.

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You don't think of a cat that lives in Siberia. Yep. And it's the biggest one. And messes up the bears. Oh, good. And controls the wolf populations.

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Oh, my God. Yeah. And just, it's crazy that it's such a gorgeous thing that's killing you. They're so beautiful. Like, when you see them, it's probably part of the trick. Like, you're, like, hypnotized by how beautiful it is. Like, what?

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Look at this thing.

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Well, that's because the most dangerous thing in the forest is people. Especially people with guns.

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They do it so that you don't get shot by hunters.

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Because tigers live in the grass and there's a lot of shadows and stripes.

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I think that's also why zebras have those funky stripes.

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I think all those lines fuck with them because they're not seeing things like we're seeing this cup, we're seeing your phone, seeing writing. I don't think they see like that. A lot of it is edge detection and motion. I was just elk hunting and I got a video on my Instagram. See how they blend in? Yep. So they would not see all that stuff. They would just see what looks like branches.

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And if they're in the jungle, densely foliated jungle, and there's all these trees and shit, they would just blend right the fuck in and just lay in wait for something that's slower than them.

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Do you put a solar panel attached to it?

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And with the Starlink, you can send it back to you with Wi-Fi so you don't have to get the cards.

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Oh, my God.

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You probably find them. Yeah. But you probably get fucked up getting in there and putting that stuff up there. That's the problem. It's humans. Me and Lex could do it. The problem is the humans. I mean, it's essentially run by war zone. It's a war zone run by warlords. And then if you go into the Congo, you have the cobalt mines. You have all these things that are run by China.

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There's all the slave labor operations that are going out there. And it's just the whole area. My friend Justin, he runs this charity, Fight for the Forgotten. He goes to the Congo and he builds wells. And we've had him on a few times to talk about his experiences over there. But getting to these people to try to build wells for them is fucking just fraught with peril.

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You're dealing with just gunfights break out. People get robbed. People get pulled over and guns held to their head. Everything gets stolen from them.

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Yes, just lawlessness, run by warlords, different towns you go into are run by different people. You have to have translators. Sometimes translators are like, this is not good, this is not good. You're like, oh, fuck. And you're just over there trying to help people. So if you're going to study these chimpanzees, this ain't...

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You know, this ain't like the fucking Pacific Northwest just going to the woods and like, oh, there's a deer. No, this is, you're dealing with humans, dangerous humans who are desperate and who have lived their whole life in these conditions.

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I give myself a week. I always have a week. But a lot of guys who have more time, they'll do 10 days. It depends on what kind of hunting you're doing. I'm doing it in places where it's private access. If you have public land, you're going to get a lot of hunters on that land, especially if there's elk. And it pushes the elk deeper and deeper into the forest.

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And if you want to really find them, a lot of these guys, they'll put their – like my friend Aaron Snyder, he'll put a backpack on. He'll go two weeks, and they'll go 26, 30 miles in, and that's where the elk are. And so not only that, you have to pack them out. Oh, yeah. So if you kill an elk – 30 miles in. And it's 30 miles as the crow flies.

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You're going up and down and up and down, thousands of feet of elevation, and it takes them days to get the animal out.

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Trekking poles are a must, and you're carrying something on your back that's almost what you weigh. You got a person on your back, and you're trying to go 30 miles.

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And that's only one trip. Yeah. You're done. You drop it off. You have to get it on ice or do something, depending rather on what the temperature is outside. You have to preserve the meat. You have to put it somewhere, usually in a cooler. You lock it down. Whatever you do, you quarter it out, bone it out, and then you're going back. You're going 30 miles for load number two.

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And if you're solo, there's a lot of guys that solo elk hunt, you might have to go in four times to get all the meat out. Because you physically can't carry it all 30 miles up and down the mountains without risk of dying. No, how much is an elk? I mean, an elk is gigantic. Hundreds of pounds of meat.

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So I could tell you exactly because we shot these elk in Utah and then we brought them to this meat processing place that makes you sausages and all kinds of cool shit. And they weigh it. So they weigh your meat. It was 400 pounds of meat. of harvested meat.

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No, there's still bones in the quarters. But the bones aren't that much weight. Let's just say the bones are 100 pounds. And I don't think they are. But let's say they are. Yeah, I don't think they are. Because it's just a couple leg bones. It's quartered. So it's basically the femurs. It's, you know, like a rear hind quarter and a front quarter. Let's say it's 100 pounds.

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It's still 300 pounds of meat you got to get out on your own.

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You, 300 pounds on your back. So you've got to do it in 100-pound trips probably if you're smart, but some guys get crazy. 100-pound pack is a lot. I know it is. I know a guy who fucked his back up because he tried to do 180 pounds and he went like 25 miles. Oh, God. And his back's destroyed.

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His back is so destroyed that one of his arms is atrophying because his nerves are getting pinched because his fucking discs are all bulged out and fucked up.

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It's cold out. When I was hunting, it was hailing. Oh, okay. So it was like some of the days it was in the 30s, some of the days it was in the 40s. So it'll stay overnight? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It totally can, but we didn't have to wait overnight. We packed it out that day. I got very lucky that my friends came down and helped me. So we were in the bottom of this canyon. It's very, very steep.

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This part that's extremely difficult to get to, which is why the elk go there. So it was like you have to be very physically fit just to get there. When I do cardio, getting ready for elk hunts, literally I get ready for it like I have to go into a fight or something.

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I'm doing sprints on the airdyne machine just to pump my legs up. I'm doing box jumps and box steps with weights. I'm doing all these body weight squats. It's just to have strong legs. Just because you have to deal with this terrain. If you want to go where the elk are. Because they know where the cats are. And they know where they can hide. And they know where they can get away from people.

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And that's in the areas that are hard to get to, which is the mountains. And the more hard to get to, and the elk go up it like it's nothing. Like... They just fucking run right up it like it's it's so wild to watch because you you're struggling to go like a mile an hour and these Motherfuckers are like running over the top of the hill like it's nothing.

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Yeah, but that's why they're there They're there because they know that it's tough to get there and yeah people won't fuck with them there and you know They rarely get fucked with there. So that's how you have to get to so I got lucky that there was five guys in camp with me and everyone took a load and I think Cam Haynes has a photo of it on his Instagram of all of us packing it out.

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It was in one of those multiple photo things. So that helped a lot because if it was just me and my friend Colton, who was my guide, it would have probably taken us... Fucking most of the day. Yeah, most of the day just to get it to the top of the hill where you can get a 4x4 to it So you're not worried about you don't have like camping gear also.

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No, that's good Yeah, but a lot of guys do and those guys the most effective hunters that go into public land which is a much tougher thing to do right because I said that because of pressure and And also because if you want to go where the elk are, there's a lot of people, there's pressure, and the elk are going to get the fuck out of Dodge. And so you have to find out where they are.

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It's a lot more groundwork, and you're covering a lot more miles. So these guys, they put their camp on their back, and they chop the toothbrush in half, that whole deal.

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They know where the water is, and they use things like Onyx maps so that they chart their path. That's all of us. Nice. So we're packing out. That's all the elk quarters on different people's backs and that head up there, that's me carrying the head out with the antlers.

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You know, and it's, we were, like I said, real lucky that we had friends there to help us. But if you do that by yourself, if you're out there by yourself and you're 30 miles in, you got to be so strong. You got to be so strong. Whose shot was that? I think it was Adam, my friend Adam Greentree. He's an awesome photographer. That's incredible. Lives in Australia, who's with us hunting too.

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But that's the kind of hunting that I do is the easiest kind of hunting as far as that goes.

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In that-

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No, but what I'm saying is, like, there's not going to be a lot of people there, no one's going to fuck with you, and you know the elk are there. So the much more difficult path is, like, the public land hunter who has to go deep into the forest to get away from all the people.

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Like, my friend Adam told me he went 23 miles into the forest once, and he's like, no one's going to be here, and he found two tents. He's like, motherfucker. Yeah. These hunters, they're all realizing like, so there's like a category of hunter that's like these athletes. That love it. Yeah. But they're athletes. Like these guys are super physically fit.

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So they can go 25 miles, 30 miles in and they can be by themselves. Yeah. Which is pretty serious. Oh, yeah, man. Yeah.

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Yeah, that's why they are the way they are. You can't take that out of the equation. Like people want, oh, let's have all the elk live in harmony where they never have to worry about getting eaten. That's not real. Just standing there. Yeah, what you're saying is not real.

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So if you're saying you don't want hunting, you're saying you want these animals to die in a far more horrific way because we need population control. Some say we need it with people, but that's the World Economic Forum. But what I think is with animals, at least we understand. We have wildlife biologists that are incredible at this job, and they understand what the holding populations are.

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They're like, this is how much food is there. This is how many deer are there. This is sustainable. We can give out this amount of tags, and so we keep the populations. But you have to also take into account wolves. When wolves move into an area, everything gets fucked. Everything gets fucked. They kill off a giant percentage of the calves. They kill off domestic animals.

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They do surplus kills sometimes. Like in Wyoming, they found this crazy surplus kill where these wolves had killed like 100 cow elk. And they were just laying there because they can't help themselves, man. If they can do it, they're going to do it. Like if they're stuck in snow or something's going on or they can't get away, if they got them cornered, they just go on a slaughter fest.

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Oh. It's all lies. The Native Americans were unbelievably brutal to each other. The Comanches were insane.

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But it's Taylor Sheridan.

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So, yeah, he'll do it right.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

5794.139

Yeah, that's what it was to them They'd go and find other native tribes and fuck them up and sometimes eat them

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5814.654

There's a photo of her in the lobby.

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Breastfeeding her baby.

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5829.304

No, she was only nine.

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5838.25

I think they killed her mother's other child.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

5841.912

I think that's when they killed her mother and they raped her mother. And they were unbelievably brutal. But they had a hard time with their population because they're riding horses so much.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

5855.12

So to mitigate that, they would take young kids. So they find young kids and they kidnap them and bring them into the tribe. So they kill the parents. Incredible. Oh, my God. Some of the stories are so. And the craziest thing is what our government did. Our government was like, hey, you want a homestead? Go out there. We'll give you a chunk of land. What was that?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

5883.775

And it's like, holy shit. They kill everybody. Well, you're on their land as far as they're concerned. What the fuck are you doing? And what the government was doing was saying, hey, you can go homestead out there. What? And it was baiting them. And so then they made these people fight off the Comanche. And if it wasn't for Jack Hayes and the Texas Rangers, Texas would have never been settled.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

5905.166

This was all the Comanche. Dude, there's so many arrowheads here. It's mad.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

5915.413

I found one once in Nevada. You found it? No, I did not find that one. So this is a real Native American arrowhead. Absolutely. My friend Remy said that's probably one they use for fish because it's larger. He said the ones they use for deer are smaller because they don't have a lot of force on their bows and they have to penetrate. So they want a smaller diameter arrowhead. Ouchy, wow, wow.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

5939.124

And they used to have the ability to hold all their arrows in between their fingers. So they could fire off arrows one after another. This is why when they came up with the musket, they're like, this is not good enough. One shot. Yeah. And then they got to sit there and they're just filling you up with arrows. So when Colt developed a revolver, that changed the game. Yeah.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

5960.698

Because now all of a sudden these guys had cartridges. I think the initial one was five shots. And they could just pop the cartridge out, put a new one in, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Changed the game.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

5977.668

Not only that, the government didn't want it for soldiers. They're like, why do we need this? We don't need this. But the Texas Rangers used it. Figured it out.

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And they're like, we need that fucking thing.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6011.169

Because it's such a genre in our history. There's not a whole lot of Civil War cool movies. No, because nobody likes the Civil War. But there's a lot of Western cool movies. Because it's romantic. Yeah. But the history of genocide in North America in terms of like what happened to the Native Americans has been so poorly documented in movies. Because nobody wants to watch that. Right.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6033.442

So the movies are all just, you know, guys in saloons having shootouts with other bad Americans. And every now and then some Native American would get into the picture. You have to fuck that Indian up because he was trying to steal your goats or whatever.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6055.537

Like, what a weird genre of films that only looks at it from one perspective, the perspective of the people that came over there. And not even the real thing that happened to people is exactly what happened to people in the Amazon. It's disease. That's the lost city of Z, right? You know, when they went there, the first people were like, this place is amazing. It's complex cities.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6076.188

It's golds everywhere. It's gorgeous. And then so people made the trek back. And by the time they went there, all those people were dead. Yeah. From dirty, stinky European diseases. Like, here, you want some blankets? Yeah. Well, that blanket thing's not real. No? No.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6093.838

No, no. They think that, I mean, there might have been some instances where people knowingly gave people blankets with smallpox, but smallpox just spread. Just spread like wildfire, yeah. Because everybody was immune to it from Europe. Like, not immune, but they had some sort of antibodies, because smallpox was everywhere. Yeah.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6111.61

So when they came over here, we brought a bunch of shit over here that just wrecked those people.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6150.231

Now, when you do that, do you check to see if there's uncontacted tribes that have been reported in those areas? Yes.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

626.026

Jardia is no joke.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6261.936

The missionary gave you an evil look.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6269.102

So what are the missionaries up to?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6276.914

But are they actual missionaries or are they acting as missionaries?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6410.041

So these people, how long have these people been there for?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6453.755

And these people, how could they know that someone would do that to them? They don't even know what a town is like, right?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6482.369

Have you seen that overhead? There's a view, like a camera is on the helicopter or something, and it's photographing these guys, and they're all fucking pointed, close, and arrows. This one. How wild is that?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6523.609

Are these those same people that were in that town?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6528.795

Oh, my God, man. This is wild. This is like imagining what it would be like to run into people hundreds of thousands of years ago.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6541.51

Incredible, man. i mean that guy looks like someone from the past yep he doesn't look like someone from now yeah and so what they did was they sent them a canoe full of bananas now that guy's standing there in the cold shaking his head like he might just not know the word for blanket it's insane man this is incredible yeah and these are essentially some of the last people on earth like this

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6648.451

They tie their dicks down so they don't get scratched up?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6655.553

That's so gangster. It's like, yeah, man, I got to tie it up. I mean, think about the stuff they're walking through. You don't want a dragon on the ground. Everything's got a thorn.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6676.093

Aren't there little fishies that swim up your dick hole, too?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6763.466

Good Lord, man.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6765.954

so many things to think about and this is your everyday existence yeah yeah i just so when you went to that spot when you decided let's let's go there and it takes you three days and you get up there and you see these people did you wind up going deeper into the jungle and seeing how they actually live so could you can you or is it dangerous well both well i had some trackers with me who were extremely experienced in all of this they knew where we could and couldn't go and we went on a

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6807.507

And that's when it gets dangerous.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6810.089

Wow.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6826.893

Because they know you're there before you know they're there. Oh, they know you're there.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6830.554

If you're coming in a boat, too, it's probably making a lot of noise. Yeah. Right?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6887.412

Yeah, let me in.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

6993.492

Why did you make me look at that?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7025.945

That shit's annoying.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7032.348

So at this point... He's already broken at this point.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7037.251

Even if he lived, he'd be... Oh! Everything's just getting crushed.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7043.761

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's it.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7048.405

That's it. He just had enough. Oh, this is horrible, man. Just stomping this guy. He's already dead.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7057.951

He's so flat. That's so crazy. He's picking him up in his mouth.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7067.798

Oh, my God. This guy's so dead. That's it.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7072.019

And this other guy runs in to stop it. Are you out of your fucking mind? But that elephant's probably tired of wearing that fucking stupid outfit, too.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7079.642

Tired of getting poked at with a stick.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7089.665

Oh, my God.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7094.247

Yeah, and what's fucked up about that is like when you have tribes or towns or villages of people that are growing things Yeah, and the elephants find it. They just like sorry.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7113.215

Yeah, they're like, no, this is my pineapple.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7116.037

Yeah, they don't have any understanding of ownership. They're like, these are pineapples that are on the ground. No one's eating them. Of course I'm going to eat them. And they can eat all the pineapples. And so now everybody starves. And no one can stop them. People come out, they throw rocks at them.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7131.046

Oh, yeah, they'll stomp you into the fucking dirt.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7250.809

What a dream for an elephant.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7255.851

There's no water here. Everyone's dying. And then all of a sudden you're in this bountiful place.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7261.112

That's pretty dope.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7296.956

Well, unfortunately, the only way where people really appreciate animals is to make them a commodity. Whether you make them a commodity for going on safari, whether you make them a commodity for hunting them. Because before that, when people were just poaching and doing market hunting, they were on the brink of extinction. There's a lot of animals there.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7313.568

A lot of the undulates that were on the brink of extinction.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7316.63

You know, there's animals in Texas that you can hunt that are endangered in their native lands.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7326.279

There's more tigers in Texas than there are in all the wild of the world, just in people's yards. Yeah, I just met somebody that had elands on her property, this giant.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7335.147

Huge fucking animal with crazy horns. They're cool looking. But these wild game reserves in Africa, people go over there and they shoot these animals and then that meat gets donated to these tribes. And this friend of mine who went over there to do that was saying that they went to this school, which was like, to call it a school, it's just dirt floors. No windows.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7359.795

It's just this building where kids go, and the food they get is all canned. So they have canned foods, and so they brought them hundreds of pounds of meat. And everybody went crazy. The whole village comes. They get baskets of it, fresh meat. And it does help. It helps. But really what's fucked is that people live like that.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7381.032

Like, really, the way to get people out of that situation when you have these insanely impoverished countries where you can take advantage of people and have a mine for cobalt is to try to elevate the standard of living for those people. Try to bring them power and give them irrigation and give them fresh water and... and figure out a way to get them resources.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7421.5

Right. But gold mining in Alaska is probably pretty fun. Imagine being part of the minor 49ers that came over here in 1849.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7432.53

Have you seen the movie Sisu? It's like a John Wick movie from World War II. It's about this crazy soldier who becomes a gold miner and he finds gold and he's retired, done with the war. And then he's hiking out with his gold. He's riding out with his gold and the Nazis show up. And he has to kill all the zombies.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7467.429

Taken's a little ridiculous, but this guy, you kind of believe it. Yeah? Yeah.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7471.773

I mean, this guy's covered in scars, his whole body. He's been in war his whole life. Yeah.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7479.078

This is this is the guy wait Who's the actor that's not Brendan Gleeson is no it's I don't know I don't know his name, but it's not American movie Look at the look at the trailer with the knife bro this fucking movie rules.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7496.809

Yeah. That's the gentleman's name. I've never heard of him. But he's fucking awesome.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7504.96

Oh, my God. What a show. Yo. What a show. Yo. What a show.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7515.131

By all of the Peaky Blinders.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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No, what's that?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7657.392

Yeah, it's fascinating how calm they are. Kelly Slater. Yeah. Have you had him in here? Yeah, I've had him on. He's awesome.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7667.082

Shane Dorian is a good friend of mine. He does that shit, too. All these guys, they're all chill dudes. Like, real serious people.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7683.921

You ever see his workout where he takes weights in the pool? And walks on the bottom of the pool. He's a fucking maniac.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7695.61

No days off with that guy. He's incredible. And that world of just wanting to constantly get on the biggest waves is just such a nutty proposition.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7737.408

I don't snowboard, but I ski. And when I ski, I'm like, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt. Didn't get hurt. Yeah.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7744.694

I've just been injured so many times in my life that I see people falling down.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7757.426

Yeah, but I don't like being attached to that board. Nope, because when you hit ice and you fall forward, that face smack, your teeth are coming right out. I know a dude who got fucked up on a snowboard that way. The snowboard went up and he landed head first and just got out cold.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7784.847

Shane, my friend Shane Dorian that I was just talking about, he destroyed his knee snowboarding. Yeah? Slammed into a tree, tore it apart, had to get reconstructive surgery. And, you know, think about that. That guy's whole life is riding waves.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7801.221

Big wave surfer. And so, you know, he had to get his knee reconstructed. As soon as he got fixed, right back to snowboarding.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7816.238

I understand, but I don't get it. I do understand. It's just like my brain didn't go down that path, but I get the path. I could have gone down that path. I see it. I see the lure. I see the lure of the big wave. I see the lure of the jungle.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7854.335

I think it's in everything. I think everything is like that. There's things that human beings find that are complicated and challenging. We gravitate towards those things because we get these rewards of accomplishment. And I think these rewards of accomplishment are built into our system of what it is to be a human being and what our purpose is on earth.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7872.246

And I think that you can live your whole life and not find a thing that you find challenging and rewarding. And I think that's a tragedy. Because I think you're living a boring ass life. And there's a lot of people. That's the great Thoreau quote. Most men live lives of silent desperation. And that's real. Most people don't have a thing that they do that excites them. It's difficult.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7896.325

It's challenging and rewarding. And that's not a good life. It's a safe life, right? That's what people want. They want a safe life. People want to retire. I want to go off in the sunset. It's all bullshit. You want a life filled with challenges and rewards and you want to learn about yourself along the way. You want to make mistakes because that's how you grow.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7916.77

You want to do challenging things because that's how you find out how far you can push yourself. You want to learn more because it elevates your capacity to understand things. It's part of being a human. It's a fascinating thing that's elective. And that's the part about it that makes it interesting. It's elective. You don't have to do it.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7934.12

You can get a very plain, boring job that's not challenging or intriguing and just exist. And you can exist on bad food and you can exist on bad information and watch television all day and never challenge your mind and just dull yourself with alcohol and slowly rot.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7974.662

And a lot of times it's getting on a path. And then, like, think about Goggins. Like, when he first started that, what if he never did decide to get fit? What if he stayed that 300-pound dude who's just drinking milkshakes all day, and he was big and fat, and he couldn't even run 100 yards? That's who he was when he first started working out.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

7992.411

And a switch flipped, and he got on a path, and he stayed on that path. He wasn't on that path his whole life. And then all of a sudden he gets on that path and becomes the biggest psycho of all time on that path. Yeah.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8012.3

I don't know if there's a you have to have this or that. I think there's a whole bunch of different things that can happen to people. I think near-death experiences. I think loss of a loved one. I think maybe a realization that sometimes people just wake up and say, I can't do this anymore.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8027.765

Whatever they're doing that's boring or sucky or just soul sucking, they just get to a point where they go, I can't do this anymore. And sometimes it's just like an alcoholic hits rock bottom. It's like, I'm not drinking anymore. I'm fucking done. And people do. My friend Dave did that. He never went to rehab. Didn't do nothing. He crashed his car.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8044.618

He got arrested because he ran away from the scene of the accident. He was drunk driving. And he said, I'm never drinking again. Never drank again. To the day he died.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8054.536

Just reached his limit. Didn't go to Alcoholics Anonymous. They're like, you have to go. He's like, no, I don't. I'm just not drinking anymore. I'm done. And he just had to, his whole life he was a drunk. He just had to get to this point where he's like, this can't be me anymore.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8069.332

There's a whole bunch of different ways to get to that. Sometimes you get to it through inspiration. Sometimes you get to it through desperation. Sometimes you get to it just through intrigue. Like sometimes, you know, you walk into a jujitsu gym and you've never even done a martial art in your whole life. You take a lesson and you're like, oh my God, this is so fun.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8085.324

And then five years later, you're a fucking jujitsu wizard and you're obsessed with it. You train every day. And you're on this new path as a human being because you found a thing that excited you. And it could be big wave surfing. It could be playing chess. There's probably a thing out there that resonates with you. You just haven't had it.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8103.817

And then there's the thing of getting outside of your comfort zone, which people don't like to do.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8109.52

Yeah, because they have never had any experience with it and they don't understand the reward of doing it. But the people that do do it all the time, whether it's David Goggins or Jocko or anybody that you see that's like a fitness influencer or people that are like super fit, they just stay on the path. That's the key. The key is just every fucking day is a new challenge.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8131.406

You don't want to do it every day. If you're a guy who runs marathons, there's no fucking way you want to run every day. But you know if you want to run a sub-three-hour marathon, you've got to run every fucking day. And you've got to check your heart rate. You've got to make sure you're eating correctly. You've got to do all those things. It's fucking hard to do.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8149.361

But because it's hard to do, people get obsessed. Maybe they run a 5K. They're like, I can't believe I did it. Wow, I ran three miles. And then the next thing you go, you know what, I'm going to run a half marathon and they prepare for a half marathon. And the next thing you know, they're a fucking runner.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8179.742

But some people can't, right? Because some people, I mean, the reality is some people have families, and they have mortgages, and they have loved ones they take care of. There's not a chance in hell you could take a father of four, and all of a sudden this guy can become a jungle keeper. It's just he's not going to leave Ohio and quit his job in Columbus.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8205.784

17. 17.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8207.125

Yeah, see? That's a good age. 17, you don't know what the fuck is going on in the world. You're young. You're all full of cum. You're fucking crazy ambitious.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8217.958

Fuck these people. And then you have confidence and intelligence, and you decided to make this a path, and then you find... This incredibly rewarding part of the path, which is saving the rainforest. And so now you have a reason to live. So your life becomes filled with meaning. And that's the problem with a lot of people, even that have jobs that are really good jobs. They don't have meaning.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8239.394

And that's why people fill their life up with bullshit. They just buy things and do cocaine and fucking, you know. get a luxury yacht. They just get these things that are trying to fill some sense of purpose and meaning because they don't really enjoy what they do. They don't get just purely satisfied by what they actually do.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8261.398

They need all these other things to motivate them to keep doing it, and then they get caught up in this numbers game where a guy only has a billion dollars feels like a loser when he's hanging out with Jeff Bezos.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8286.867

I could tell you as a person who grew up poor, one of the things that happens is first initially you worry that you're not going to be able to maintain it. That's initial fear. That's super, super common. And guys start getting like really famine. It's interesting when they start making more money, they start getting more freaked out about money. I understand that. That happens.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8306.372

You see that with a lot of Hollywood people. They change how they talk about things. They change their opinions. They don't want to take any risks. So you want to keep that gravy train rolling. But if you're doing something you enjoy doing, then I think, especially if you're independent, like podcasters, right? That's a good example.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8328.082

You start making money in podcasting, you're like, oh, this is great. I just can make money doing a thing that I love to do. I'm not going to stop doing it. Why would I stop doing it? And I also can keep making a lot of money. I think I'll just keep doing it, especially since I enjoy it. So I don't even think about it like doing it for the money. I think about like, I would like to talk to Paul.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8348.779

He lives in the Amazon. Oh, this is my job. I get to talk to Paul. Why would I stop? I mean, I would do this for free. But I'm not going to.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8371.254

You know what I mean?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8373.795

No, you need more. You need more because you got a mortgage. You got this. You got that. What if your kids go to college? Also, your money's not going to be worth as much because of inflation. And what if you invest in this fucking hedge fund and this and that and this goes under? Or what if you're an idiot and you invest in NFTs or Bitcoin? I know a dude who just lost a shitload of money.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8395.405

Crypto coin like you get nutty you think it's free money and like no it's some kind of crazy thing that's going on We got fake money some weird created money, and you just spent a lot of real money to buy some of this weird like fucking imaginary money Digital money do you want to buy a what were those things those fake pictures that people bought for a while NFT yeah those

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8445.246

Yeah. No, I've had multiple occasions where I've been asked to do things for NFTs and I've been asked to do things with crypto. And I was like, I don't even know what it is. So how the fuck am I going to endorse? I won't endorse something unless it's a product that I've used or makes sense or they can explain to me, oh, this is how it works. Okay, it makes sense.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8468.138

But if you're doing something like an NFT, like Jamie tried to explain it to me like six or seven times. Yeah. And I was like, okay. But you have it on your phone, right? So I can take a screenshot and I have it on my phone too. Yeah. No, but you don't own it. Okay. What does that mean? I have the same thing you have. I have the exact same experience of having this million dollar yacht ape.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8489.252

Is that what it was called? No, it was the board ape. What was the board ape? What was the apes? It's a fucking cartoon picture of a monkey. What were they called though? Was it yacht apes or board apes? There was one that a lot of people were buying, and I was like, what the fuck are you paying money for? This is crazy. It's called the Bored Ape Yacht Club. Oh, that's what it is.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8531.242

Yeah, that thing, no. Does it know? That's like a digital piece of art. That's a completely different thing. So you have to plug it in? Yeah. But that thing was a gift from an artist. What the fuck's his name? I forgot his name real quick. Beeple.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8546.767

Sorry, Beeple. But Beeple's, he puts up digital art every fucking day. So when you, he has like a gallery and you go there and there's this giant digital art. It's like those kind of NFTs make sense. This thing is like a shit cartoon. And how much did they go for?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8586.195

And what is that?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8593.681

Yeah, but you don't understand what I just said earlier. I said it's the exact same experience. Yeah, I know. The experience of having it on your phone is very different than the experience of you having a picture of my car.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8607.592

But Mona Lisa, I can look at the Mona Lisa on my phone all day long. I don't own it. Right. But there's a big difference between owning the Mona Lisa on your phone. So the Mona Lisa was only on a phone, and you could just screenshot it, and you would also have the exact same experience of the Mona Lisa.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8621.741

The difference in the physical Mona Lisa is it's hundreds of years old, and it's painted by a master.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8632.247

But the thing is you can rep.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8639.354

I hear what you're saying, but it's not the same because there's no real value in that NFT. It's fake. The experience of having it is no different. I get that you're saying that it's money, and you're going to trade it

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8679.296

Well, because they're original physical things. And then they're also like have serial numbers on them. I guess if you had a fake one. That's where you don't know if anyone's faking it. But the thing is, the real ones, you're also getting like a little piece of history. Like this arrowhead. If somebody made this arrowhead and I didn't know, because guys do make arrowheads.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8697.633

There's a lot of modern day people that make arrowheads. But this one was found at a friend of mine's ranch. I have a bunch of these. I have a few of them at home. They're fucking amazing because these are like little windows into a time in history that was not that long ago that was right here. And they're all over the place. And somebody made that. Somebody made that.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8716.705

And it took a long ass time. And then they had to make the rods for the arrows. Which is not that easy.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8728.23

Well, not only that, you have to use sinew to make the string for your bow. You have to know what woods to use for the bow. You have to know how to harden those woods. If you're making a recurve bow, now you're talking even crazier. Even if you're just trying to make a simple longbow. Yeah, a simple longbow.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8759.924

It's such a process.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8762.125

yeah which is again it's so much fun being out in the jungle because whoever you are no matter how rich you are no matter how hot your shit is you're out in the jungle you're shitting with the dung beetles do you bring fire starter you know that stuff that so like they sell they have like bricks of this stuff um or cords of it you cut off a little bit of a piece of it and then you have a flint and a piece of steel and you knock the two of them together like this this deal is like those rods the

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8788.317

I think a ferro rod. Exactly. That's exactly what it is, right? And you light that stuff, and it's soaked in chemicals. It's probably fucking terrible to breathe in, but that will keep fire for a long time, and you can use it to start fires.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8823.755

So it dries everything out?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8840.987

So you never bring a little Bunsen burner, those little lightweight ones?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

886.768

So when you're navigating, you're not using GPS? You're just using a compass? Yeah. Why?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8865.773

Oh, you can't?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8870.054

Or whatever those are.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8878.396

So, is there a place where you can receive packages?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8901.96

The thing about this is it helps you boil water. Jet boils, is what they call them. So it's this little thing. It's got a little tank, and it lasts for days. You just cook it up when you want to cook food. You turn it on, you have a little thing with you, and freeze-dried food and shit. That's what a lot of these guys pack when they go 30 miles deep into the woods.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8920.606

Yeah, you can make a coffee if you want to.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8948.24

So is it just you just deal with it or does your body develop any kind of an antibody to it or anything?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8981.271

Yeah.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

8986.935

I didn't know that that was the case. Because I saw those rites of passage thing that they do. They take these guys, the glove. Yeah. And they fill their hand up with bullet ants. And they have the bullet ants stuck in the gloves so they can't go anywhere. So they just keep fucking you up. And it's supposed to be some thing that they do that is like a religious experience.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9028.187

Every time I talk to him, I'm like, please stop. Please stop. Don't let people punch you. Please stop. Don't let this happen. Just take care of yourself.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9034.489

You've done so much. Yeah. He's so banged up. He's such a wild man. Have you ever seen the one when he was in Africa and he climbed up the trees and a lion climbed up the trees with him and pulled his hat off? Yeah. Those are real lions.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9053.976

Yeah, I don't understand him. He looks good. They play keep away with hyenas. So he's got it on. He's freaking out. Yeah. Let me hear some volume.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9073.666

What a fucking psycho.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9077.789

You can get stung by those things now. And I thought it was like my friend Steve got it. He said it was like 12 hours of excruciating pain. And he said he could barely walk.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9107.43

Does anybody work out? You're the only guy that works out in the jungle.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9111.834

And they're like, what the fuck is this guy doing?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9150.406

Oh, super fun.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9155.171

So you were wrecked for how long?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9159.055

That's not fun. I took it really bad. You and I have a different understanding of fun.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9165.862

I would rather not know.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9177.413

I don't respect that guy's work.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9183.617

So how many times did you do it voluntarily?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9186.318

Okay, once.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9188.319

And every other time after that was just.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9192.582

Four plus on the Schmidt Siding Pain Index. Sting Pain Index. The highest possible rating. And you can just go to sleep after that? Causes waves of pain for up to 12 hours after a single sting. Being studied for use in biological insecticides. Of course it is. Of course it is. Paralyzes insects and causes pain in humans.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9213.601

Affects voltage-gated sodium channels and blocks synaptic transmission in the central nervous system. Yo, how many people died from bullet ants?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9234.417

Do you think that those people have already been stung a couple of times?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9245.682

Oh, my God.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9252.466

Imagine what that feels like if you're a baby, a soft, mushy baby, and that ant just fucks you. So they are experiencing it akin to what you experience now. So when they're putting the glove on, even though it's horrific and it's getting their whole hand and there's a bunch of those bullet ants in there, they're probably much more accustomed.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9302.874

It hurts everywhere. So is it that you just accept the pain and you understand what it is and you don't freak out? Or is it your pain threshold, has it lowered because you've done it a bunch of times so your body's immune to it?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9354.321

We were talking about this yesterday. I genuinely think that people must feel pain differently. And it makes sense that some people just, I don't even think it's a tolerance thing. I think it feels different. I think that's sort of like the same thing with spicy food. And there's a bunch of different things like that. Cold water. There's things that people can tolerate.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9374.37

And it seems like they're not just being tougher. Like it's not as hard for them. Like there's a, you know, maybe their ancestry evolved around being in pain all the time.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

94.685

So is it because you've become more high profile, you've got more support? What has been the change?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9439.448

It could be that, or it could be you get acclimated. You get accustomed. Because we're talking about people, we adjust to our environments. We adjust to all kinds of different things. You probably get accustomed to that experience and the rush of riding those waves. And it's also, there's a thing about being a badass, putting that wetsuit on and getting in that ocean.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

944.052

How do you find water? Do you just stumble upon it?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9469.089

Take another frozen wave. If you're warm in your house and you're looking outside and it's snowing and there's ice on the ground and you're looking at your wetsuit, you're warm. You're warm. Ah, you're drinking soup. You know, you got some chicken noodle soup. Oh, you're just so warm and you're watching television. Why would I go to the ocean? Are you guys really going to go? Let's not go.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9490.882

You sure you want to go? Come on, pussy. We're going to go. And the guy comes back with fucking icicles in his beard and shit.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9513.013

I do it sometimes after the sauna, but then I always finish on the cold. Yeah, but that feels good. If I do that, I never go cold, sauna, heat up, and then go outside. I go sauna, cold, sauna, always end on cold. So you always freeze your dick off at the end.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9533.567

If you count slowly to ten two times, it's three minutes. That's what I've found. So I just count slowly to 10 for three minutes, and that's it.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9558.696

I don't want to do it every day. Every day I don't want to do it, but I tell myself, shut the fuck up, pussy. Pick up the lid. Yes. Put it down. Climb in. You know you're climbing in.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9568.138

set your oh i do want to say garmin uh your new uh phoenix 8 watch shuts off when you get in the cold plunge no yeah so this is a i have a phoenix 8 and i have a phoenix 7. they're awesome i love these things but the phoenix 7 i have to wear when i do the cold plunge so if i work out with that one but this one has a better heart sensor yeah this one this one's just better overall

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9590.879

But it sucks that if you go in cold water, it doesn't even make any sense. How did you go backwards? The old one, you go into cold water and nothing happens. Underwater operating temperature range 0 to 40. Yeah, that's not true. So Google this. Phoenix 8 shutting off cold plunge. Google that. Trust me, I looked it up online. It's not just me. Yeah. See? Watch turns off and reboots in cold water.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9623.484

Yeah. That's what everybody notices. So if I'm in the water for five seconds, it shuts off. Damn. Yeah. So they're apparently going to fix that. I hope it's a software issue. They better fix it now. But the crazy thing is they have a dive feature on this watch. So if you're swimming and you're diving and you're in cold water, it's going to shut off.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

963.694

So is it just your gut bacteria changes? Is that what it is?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9647.255

Right. And if you get down to depths and it's below 40 degrees, it's probably going to shut off. I don't even know what temperature it shuts off, but people have done it in cold water. So they've taken a glass of cold water and dropped the watch in cold water and it shuts off. Not good, Garmin. It's just not good that you just released this thing and didn't know.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9666.508

How did you not check for cold plunges when you got a dive function on the watch?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9671.593

Yeah. So apparently they think they can fix it with software, which I hope is true. Well, that would be good. But the 7 works. That just doesn't make any sense. I've never had a problem with the 7. I put the 7 on in the sauna. I put it on in the cold. Never have a problem with it. Yeah. Well, I'm like that watch. Cold. Kryptonite.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9693.081

Right, but beta disables the dive function.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9696.465

Yeah. So the beta that they put out, it disables the dive function. I think there's some talk of another workaround, like maybe shutting off the touchscreen, that maybe that would help. But the problem is it's like you have a watch that everybody's used to cold plunging in. They're used to jumping in the ocean in. They're used to doing stuff in. And then the new one doesn't let you do it.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9720.625

You can't release that. You've got to fix that before. You didn't have to sell it yesterday. I mean, it just came out, like, I think September. I ordered one. It took a while to get there. I was all excited. And then first cold punch, I'm like, what in the fuck? That's a wolf tooth. That's a wolf tooth? Yeah. Nice. I forget who gave me that one.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9739.314

Yeah, I got a lot of shit here, man, from cool stuff that people have given me. But, you know, having things like that, like a watch that does GPS, like this watch has maps on it. Yeah. It shows your elevation. You can get a lot of information off of these things, and you can track waypoints on them. And I always use a thing called Onyx Hunt as well, and Onyx Hunt is a software app.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9763.615

You download maps for the specific regions, and you can hit a tracking function.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9768.9

No, it doesn't. I bet it can. I don't know how to do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9772.281

I just do it on my phone. I use this mostly for elevation. You can use GPS on it, but it will drain your battery a lot quicker. I don't use the GPS function. This thing will go like 30 plus days without charging. Without charging.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9787.726

And monitoring your heart rate, doing all kinds of different shit. It's a flashlight. It's built in.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9795.268

Yeah.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9796.568

Built in. It's nuts. So if you're out in the woods and you don't have a flashlight, it's LED flashlight. It lasts for fucking ever because it's LED, because it doesn't draw a lot of power. These fucking things are incredible. But this new one, you guys fucked up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9836.721

It really is amazing. It's amazing how small it is too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2209 - Paul Rosolie

985.6

What?

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9863.339

Yeah, you probably could literally have it flat on the top of your pack and walk around, at least catch some signal.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9955.639

Like, you know, it's like, OK, great. Well, people always want to say that.

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#2209 - Paul Rosolie

9973.429

In these areas that you go to, have they ever done any of those LIDAR explorations of it where they fly drones over to try to map out if there was some ancient structures in these areas?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1068.372

I'm going to send you this Sean Ryan thing, Jamie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1074.356

Sorry for the long pause earlier. I was trying to figure something out.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1094.006

Well, he was openly working for the government, right? When he was doing that? Oh, you don't think he was selling the drugs on behalf of the government? I don't know what he's even admitted to doing. By the way, I really like this guy. I know you have issues with him. I don't have any personal issues with him.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1111.144

Well, I don't have any personal issues. I don't want to say that. He's a killer. There's there's guys that get into the military, start working for the government, become agency people, get hired to do jobs all over the world. And I know a bunch of them. And there's some of the most interesting people I've ever met. But they don't agree with the way things are being run.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1133.164

And if they've done that and then they step out and then they start talking about it like Sean Ryan. You got to kind of like- That makes total sense.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1159.337

Well, it is, but you know what's also, it also could be, if you don't, like how long has Sean Ryan been doing the show? I don't know. He came out of nowhere. One thing that does happen is you get duped. You know, we've been duped before. I've had people on the podcast where I'm like, this guy's kind of a con artist. Like, you get duped. And you get duped with stories.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1181.968

You get duped when people send you stuff that's not real. They send you down these rabbit holes that are stupid. If you're not seasoned in this – and I'm still fucking up all the time. But if you haven't done a lot of these kind of podcasts where you're talking about controversial issues –

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1197.941

Sometimes you say something that's not totally accurate or maybe the people that are telling you the information aren't who they say they are. Maybe you're being purposely fed misinformation. It's fucking hard to figure it out sometimes. It is for me. Now, I'm just saying. But what was proven about the letter, right? So the dude wrote a letter, correct? Or was it an email? What was it?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1222.062

There's some writing that he was talking about.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

123.99

Yeah. It was probably cursed by Genghis Khan.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1267.043

He sounds like a guy in a Spider-Man comic book that like is a reluctant hero. Like he was a bad guy doing bad things. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Like a hacker they caught and they're like, now you work for us. It's just like, imagine that's your specialty is making awesome weaponry. Yeah, well, you're going to want to do what you did, I guess. Right.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

128.733

And if you're going to make a bullshit version of one of the most fascinating human beings that has ever lived, a bullshit version of their life, it would be a John Wayne movie from the 1960s. Was it even the 60s? Was it the 50s?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1288.346

Like, if you're a comic, you want to tell jokes. If you're a guy who makes awesome weaponry, you want to fuck around and find out.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1307.42

It's like... Well, look, I was just- Sean Cho, he's had a few people on where I was like, I don't know, dude. I don't know about this guy. I think Joe McMoneagle- But I've had a few people on like that. I've had a few people on where I was like, I don't know about this guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1396.588

Let's pause for a second. And what did the guy say? Because let's find that note. No, no, the guy who blew himself up, the Tesla truck.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1403.814

We never got to that. Oh, nice, Jamie. There it is. It says, first off, I am not under duress or hostile influence or control. My first car was a 2006 Black Ford Mustang V6 for verification. We've done this before, Jamie, so we've read this all out, and the Mustang's not correct.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1431.767

Yeah, right. That would be a way you could. Yeah, that makes sense, actually. But why would you do that if this is going to be a public thing?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

15.684

Because the future's so bright. You got to wear shades.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1545.651

Wait a minute, what do you think the spy balloon was? A balloon. But it had electronics on it.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1581.234

They were going there, and they were also going to Kamala Harris rallies, and they were going to a bunch of other different left-wing protests. That's a thing. People get paid to be Democrat. They get paid. It's a real job. You can get real money, much more money than you make working at McDonald's, to just show up and grab a sign and get in the stands. And so you can get 24,000 people.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1606.759

You have to pay them. But if you do, they'll go. And you can just keep doing that if you have an insane amount of money.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1617.996

Look at the fucking amount of money that she spent on that campaign. She ran a great campaign. You've got to admit that. It was pretty rock tight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1646.964

Well, what was really funny was afterwards they were asking for money. After it's over. Why didn't you save some? Dude, they did that after Roe v. Wade to the Democrats. Yeah, they did immediately.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1656.769

Immediately. Donate. Donate to the Democratic Party. We're going to protect Roe v. Wade.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

166.163

Yeah, so that's like Jada Pinkett. Oh, it says 56, the conqueror. Yeah. This is the same. Hold on. What was the 65 one? Who did that one? Is that John Wayne? No. Omar Sharif. Okay. So they've done a few of those. Yeah, you're getting a little closer with Omar Sharif. But even then, you should be getting a guy from Mongolia.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1672.116

There's really no way other than AI judges. AI judges, AI government. That's the only way. Who's going to program God?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1685.282

It better not be Muslims. We're going to allow it to program itself. Oh, well, I bet you that something like that has happened several times. Well, it's going to happen. I don't know if it has happened. Why do you think it has happened?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1737.392

Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1739.013

Jesus Christ. I did not know where you were going there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1745.435

What's her name, Rachel?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1761.28

Well, that was crazy, right? Do you know when they did the original Snow White? I was listening to Cody Tucker on Instagram. He was talking about this. When they did the original version of The Wizard of Oz, they couldn't get dwarves because they'd all been killed by the Nazis. So they had to bring them in to film things. Wait, okay, hold on. Where did they film this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1790.902

God, I want to say, find out where The Wizard of Oz was filmed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1798.171

No, no, no, no, no, no. They didn't film it in America. They filmed it in like Bavaria. And there was no dwarves left. They didn't want to pay Union dwarves. The Nazis had killed them all. No one talks about that, apparently. But that was a thing, that they killed all of them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1829.994

If the Nazi... If they wanted to create a master race, you'd have to imagine that mentally handicapped people, all those types, they probably...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

185.011

I mean, if you want me to believe that it's Genghis Khan, find a guy in Mongolia. There's got to be a guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1868.633

That's what we have. That's a great line. Gain of function government.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1874.794

Oh, no. You guys got to be locked down because we cocked up some virus. Carol recalled that some of the Munchkins were German-born actors who performed throughout Europe in a midget troupe booked by showman Leo Singer, who arranged to bring them to the United States for filming. The Wizard of Oz allowed the actors to escape as Nazis began to extend their reach across Europe in the late 1930s.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1893.918

Well, when did they do The Wizard of Oz?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

191.735

Acting is not that hard.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

1996.538

Imagine trying to be a jester back then and walk the line between knowing what's across the line, where the king's going to cut your hand off.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

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The flash, you know, 59. Oh, yeah. It's good. Protection. I heard get under the table as well. You remember that in high school? Did they do that in your high school?

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It's like a fun roast. I think the world was way more like Game of Thrones than we tend to believe.

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I think it was a giant movie. And they offered him a shit ton of money. And he's a giant movie star. It's not his project? And there was only like five movie stars back then. Was it John Wayne's project?

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Thank you.

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Are you serious or are you joking?

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Same death. Okay. So is that because she didn't have anything to do with the crime or is it because there wasn't a crime? What is it?

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Thank you.

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But is it a crime? Is it illegal? This is the question with all this like fake money stuff. This is why it's so confusing. If you have these meme coins and people are genuinely making millions of dollars from real meme coins. But it's still, it's kind of bullshit. It's kind of a fake money. And anybody can kind of make it and then sell it. Like there's no rules, right?

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Thank you.

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They used to tell us, get under the... I'm 10 years older. Yeah, my parents, they did that too.

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You know about her? Do I know about her? She's the lady that's in charge of distributing all the UFO stuff, right? And she's going to... JFK stuff, all that shit, right?

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Okay, now I can't find... William Braddock threatens to send Russian-Ukrainian hit squad after rival for Florida GOP primary.

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Keep them on the line.

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You can't tell anybody I'm going to have someone killed. Imagine.

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Hold up, please. Pause for a second. How well does this dude know that lady? And by the way, why is he breathing so quick? That dude sounds like he's cranked out of his fucking mind.

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That means he parties. That guy's partying right now. Like, this is cocaine talk.

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Hold on. Keep going. I want to hear more of what he says. But it sounds like cocaine talk. Yeah, they all get coked up. Yeah. And you say wild shit.

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Can we pause one second? Who is he saying this to? What is the woman's name? Erin something. Can you get a photo of this lady? I bet she's hot.

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Which is part of the problem.

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Let's just get a photo real quick so I can get a context. I just want to put it in context. Because I'm trying to figure out why this guy is blabbing to this lady that he doesn't know really well. I would think if you're going to have someone killed... You wouldn't tell, like, regular friends. You wouldn't tell, like, casual friends. Like, how well does this guy know this lady?

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It is kind of crazy that it's based entirely on information and confidence about a company. And it can go up or down depending upon who the CEO gets caught sleeping with or what new environmental laws come out. It sounds like magical is what it sounds like. It's crazy. Like in 2008 when everything just crashed.

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What does cocaine make you do?

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Yes, it does. It does. Is he trying to impress her, and is she attractive? Yes, that's a good question. You know what I mean?

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Because, like, there's guys that'll just make up stories about, like, there we go.

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She's pretty. There we go. Exactly. Okay. So it's cocaine talk to a pretty lady trying to impress her with your power.

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Yeah, he's a dork. He's a coked-up dork, and she's hot, and it's the first time a hot lady's talked to this coked-up dork. Allegedly. He may not have been on cocaine. He might just have been nervous. Maybe he's just really attracted to this lady, and it's adrenaline. Or maybe he drank a lot of coffee.

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Yeah, they coordinated just for this one special project because Captain Cocaine has got to put a hit out on some lady.

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They told you get under the table. They did that surprisingly long. It's like a mask for COVID. It's basically the same thing. That is not working. Getting under the table is so dumb. It's a fucking nuclear blast that annihilates buildings. You're saying getting under my stupid desk with the clamshell?

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Imagine you're just talking shit and you think you're a badass and you're going to say cool shit to this girl on the phone and you find out you're being recorded while you're on cocaine and you plan to hit. You might have woke up in the morning with a splitting headache, doesn't even remember... Being on the phone saying he was planning a hit. Wakes up, he's paranoid.

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She did good work on that, yes. There's so many of these James O'Keefe type videos now. I love it. And it's all the same thing. It's all really chatty gay guys who spill the beans when they're on a date. On paper, they look like they're going to be good employees, don't they? And occasionally a man who's saying stupid shit to a woman who's undercover.

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there was this dude who lived next to me this this i had a lot next to my house in california and this guy wanted to build a house it was the saddest thing man because this was like in 2012 when we were living there this dude was uh raking his lawn and so i went over just to talk to him there's no there's no house there and the dude would just like clean up brush and it was like a responsible landowner and he wasn't didn't even have a property on a house on it

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Who's that, Jamie?

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I thought that was his boyfriend. No, here's what that is. That's a young man that really wants to be important.

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He really wants to be special and really wants to be on the right side of history, and he's young. No, not right side of history. And he really needs to go to the gym, and he should start eating meat again, and he should start doing squats, and you need to do deadlifts, and you should probably run up hills. You need to do something to turn you into a man, son.

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He's just a young kid. If I was him, I'd be saying the same shit. You're young. You say dumb shit. Well, what's David Frum's excuse? But that statement right there was the perfect example to say how bad they are, but I'll always vote for them. That's so bonkers. Dude, people in their 60s say that. But that's because he's a kid. But old people, the view says the same thing.

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Right, but there's a certain percentage of people that are going to buy meme coins. You know what I'm saying? There's a certain percentage of people that are just, they're not, you know, they're not going to make it.

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It does become eventually that, but he's so young. It's not like he calculated his personality based on making money politically online.

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But a lot of it is like when you're fucking, what is he, 21 or something like that? When you're 21, it's like total audience capture. Money and clout.

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And you've got success doing this one thing, and now that's your whole identity.

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Yeah, Jimmy is not idealistic. He doesn't have an ideology, rather. He's very open-minded.

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Very fair.

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Right.

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And I said, are you going to build here? Because I knew you were going to build here a while back, but we never heard anything. And he's like, I lost everything in the crash. He goes, I saved up all my life working. I had this dream to build this house on this. And the property was really beautiful. It was like on the top of the hill, like looking down on this valley.

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You know, the story that's even more fucked up is the people that he was protecting were, I believe they were Indian.

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There was an article about her losing one of her houses in the fire. I was like, one of them?

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Did you see when they used that AI program to run this net of all the different NGOs that were contributing to democratic causes?

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Same guy who started Apartheid also started De Beers?

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It would have been an amazing place to like finally die. Right. You know, get to the end. This guy was old, man. And... He was just like super bummed out, man. This is a real John Steinbeck story you got. Because it's all just based on – like it's not gold, right? It fluctuates. Companies can go under. The stock market can crash. The money can disappear. It's like it's not stable.

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I mean, this is a standalone.

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A lot of people don't. They, you know, you have, like, you were, a long time ago, you were getting real upset about a lot of this woke shit, and I remember you saying this. No, no, no, I've fucking seen this before. This is the same shit I saw with Jehovah's Witness.

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Now we're back to it. And I remember being like one of the first times I was like genuinely alarmed about how really crazy ideas can spread and really just outrageous behavior can become normalized.

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That's that team shit.

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That's that team shit. Our team is going to cover this up. Our team's not going to pay attention to that.

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The whole thing is a dumb pursuit of being on the right side when we should all be on one fucking side. It should be one giant group of people figuring out what makes the most sense. It's not supposed to be us versus them. Well, that's too vague, though. It's not too vague. If it's not too vague for you and I, it's not too vague for the whole country.

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We just have to change the way we talk about it.

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It's going to be just Chris Hemsworth and Jason Momoa all throughout the land. There'll be no other body type.

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Oh, so they have less teeth?

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Probably from eating mushy food all those years.

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What are you talking about?

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It's a wild gamble. Some would call it Babylonian money magic. But it's so nuts that that's what our economy is based on instead of actual assets. What do you mean crazy about it? But it's so crazy that you can do the meme coin thing where you can just have like, okay, let's just have almost no rules and just go buck wild. and have cock coin, and have cock coin trading for $150 a coin.

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Die Glocke. Pull that up, Jamie, so I can refresh my mind. Die Glocke. So what do you mean? You think that these tall whites were actually Germans? The Nordics.

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They were actually Germans? Yeah, let's say. You think they were actually Nazi scientists or something?

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That's real? This Nazi bell. Yes. Have we covered this before?

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Maybe intelligent beings just consistently fuck up because they keep pushing the boundaries of their abilities and their intelligence no matter how smart they are. And even, you know, like we do stupid shit in other countries. We fuck around with, you know, installing new leaders. Act like God, pretend you're God. But just think of what we do in other countries.

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Now, imagine you're taking it to so many levels of intelligence and ability far beyond what we have. And you come here. You would cock up these monkeys. Yes. You would definitely do it. You would think you were in the right to do it. And then you'd blame the monkeys. You'd blame them. You'd go, oh, it's because you were bad.

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Well, we would just say, look, the odds of them making it to an intergalactic society within the next 5 to 10 million years is very low. And here's – if that theory is correct, look. Chimpanzees are still around. They are our distant cousins, and they didn't fucking change. They're exactly the same. And then there was a whole ton of different versions of us that didn't fucking make it either.

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Well, you know, Brett Weinstein, have you ever heard him talk about it on this podcast? He has a fascinating theory. He's like – because he was talking about how – I shouldn't say it's a theory and I shouldn't even say it's his. It's just like there's an understanding of what evolution is, that there's a missing element. And there's some sort of missing force that we haven't recognized yet.

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And that would account for why some changes are so rapid. Because you have two things, right? You have natural selection and then you have random mutation, right? This is what's supposed to –

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create all the he thinks there's an additional force they haven't recognized yet of course yeah and the thing about us is whatever additional force that was was so much more impactful bizarrely so where we can do we are there's not even an animal that's remotely close to us yeah right There's no animals that are making bows and arrows yet, right? It's just us and everything else is way behind.

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Whereas every other kind of organization or organism rather on earth is in like a tight knit struggle with all the things around it to balance out the population. Except for us, we seem unnatural. We do. We seem like we popped up too quick, like we're adolescent, and we're just wild, and we haven't figured out what the fuck we are yet. We don't fall into nature the way all the other animals do.

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We change nature around us, create our own environment, which is a completely alien thing on the scale of what we do, and compared to every other organism on Earth can't do that.

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that's what we might be. But if you did cock up a whole planet with your DNA and stick it into some ancient human, some Australopithecus or something, and create a person, This is probably how it would turn out.

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The ultimate pedophile movie.

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Right, because they're thousands of years old, and they're from another planet, and they bred with the humans.

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Well, I didn't either. Did you ever read it? Jamie didn't know it either. Did you just crack open your second White Claw?

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They can't pull the rug on you.

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But isn't that the most fascinating aspect of us?

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She's 22 years old. That girl probably knows almost nothing about the economy. She's jack shit. I know almost nothing, and she probably knows less than me.

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If you're like the Roman emperor. Yes, there was. What kind of deep state is there? They were all in the Mithra cult. But the thing about the deep state is like the idea of it in this country is that leaders come and go, but these people always remain. They're not the top leaders. The shadow government is the top leaders.

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Okay.

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So much information when I talk to you. When I get a text message from you, I always take a deep breath. I know. Here we go.

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So there's always some sort of a secret society that constantly influences leaders.

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Remember Caesar and Pompey? Scroll up a little, Jamie, so I can read the headline. Ten surprising things about the deep state, starting with the Roman Emperor Caligula. Wow. Some basic truths that never go away. A former dean at the University of Maryland School of Public Policy explains. So they had a deep state? It's the oldest thing there is. Same sort of thing. It's priest versus kings.

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Fascist versus perverts. Wow, the Roman emperor surrounded himself with a hand-picked Praetorian guard to keep him safe. However, elite members of the guard knifed him in a corridor of what was the White House of its day. Counting on the fealty of even the closest experts isn't always a good bet.

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Yeah, you gotta play the game. Wait, wait, but... So there was people trying to assassinate everybody back then.

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Look at this. Ancient Chinese emperors discovered they couldn't rule effectively without non-partisan experts. Long before Caligula met his end, the emperors established a civil service filled with the experts who had passed an incredibly rigorous exam.

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Okay, so what are the big problems with Social Security? Let's lay it out.

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Didn't they do drive-bys?

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Oh.

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No, it's the perfect position to be in, to look at ridiculous ideas. Because there's so many ridiculous ideas that turn out to actually be true.

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Oh, you and I? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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But that's the best way to approach it because then you're not afraid to be ridiculous. Because the problem with talking about UFOs or ghosts or anything is like you can look ridiculous. Like if you're a guy who's an accountant and you're working on a big deal for a corporation and you're responsible for a lot of numbers, nobody wants to hear you talk about UFO abductions.

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That's a retarded thing to talk about. That's right. You make people uncomfortable in the office. This is silly. Right. But it's probably not even real.

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That guy's great, man. Goddamn. He chimed in on that Sean Ryan thing that I sent you too, Jamie. He chimed in on the next page. It was like a multi-page thing that I sent you, Jamie.

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Hold on a second. On the second thing, it was interesting what Mike Benz was saying. That guy, I mean, I'm like, how do you sleep, dude? He's like, not that good. He's like, I don't sleep a lot. Well, it's upsetting you to learn stuff, but you know what's the thing that makes you crazy? They're bribing the Afghan Taliban warlords to keep the drugs flowing. That's what the U.S.

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Institute of Peace payments were for.

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United States Institute of Peace funded Taliban and Iraqi leaders. The now-canceled USIP contracts included $132,000 for Mohammed Qasim Halimi, Afghanistan's former chief protocol commander. chief of protocol and a former Taliban member, and a staggering $1.3 million to the Al-Tadhamon Iraqi League for Youth. It's like everything named that, you just assume it's something bad.

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Well, that's how they'd like to do it, right? Like, you know, like the Patriot Act. Like that kind of thing. Like you just say – call it USAID. Say – give it a nice name.

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Well, they don't have new tricks. And it's also with the internet now when guys like Mike Benz who spends like five hours a day breaking the shit down online and then it spreads out and Whitney Webb and all these different people that are like constant – and Jimmy and you and – constantly talking about this stuff, it's very difficult to hide things anymore.

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What happened now? So this woman who was the head of the... Oh, Marie Le Pen getting arrested. Oh, yeah. So she should have made a deal with Israel like Trump. What happened with her? She lost some sort of a lawsuit.

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But it's also the fact that you can do this with lawfare, not just in America, or attempted to do it in America. I mean, it's essentially the same thing that happened to Trump. I just wonder if it'll have the same type of rebound. I guess she's appealing it. They have no guns.

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USAID. USAID spent $2 trillion on that butt plug. Oh, my God.

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I didn't see him say it, but just there's no way to do that right. Like to look at that statement the most charitable way. Do you know people are living barely? There's so many people. If you're on Social Security, you're getting a very small amount of money. You're on a very fixed income. And you're owed. And if you don't, if you miss a month, that's a big fucking deal, man.

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There was some crazy violence between, oh my God.

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You know how perverse you are? Hey, click on that. Paul McCartney beaten up.

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Oh, McCarthy.

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Double check. Yeah, no, Paul McCarthy. This is shit. I was hoping that Paul McCartney was complaining about it. Oh, this is his theme. Oh, he's a butt plug guy. Oh, he's a freak. Can I see a photo of this gentleman? I bet he's a freak. You know, it wouldn't be a big deal. Is that him? French president. This is wonderful. I love a good butt plug.

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Look at this one he made. Is that dude butt fucking a dog? Is that what I'm seeing? They're pigs, I think.

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Well, that's... What is he making? What is this? So a guy who makes butt-fuck statues... How much did he... It's called train. How much did he get paid to make that butt plug? Find out how much that... Oh, plenty. Find out how much that French butt plug cost. Do you think that stuff like that is done to try to... Wait, wait, wait, wait.

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They really made them things back then, you know? What the fuck? Can you imagine being those guys in the Manhattan Project when they first do it? They first detonate it, and they're like, what in the holy fuck? Yeah, well, they kind of didn't know what was going to happen, right? They didn't know.

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Redefine sculptural form. It's a guy fucking a pig, yeah. Redefine sculptural form. It's like the James Lindsay, those fake tapes, those fake papers. Exactly. It's almost like the same thing. But how much did this guy get paid for that butt plug? I want to find out. Take a guess before we do it. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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Well, we gave them on purpose every month.

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Wow. I said two. I think I'm off. I think it's less than two. How much? I hope. I'm trying to find out. And don't forget to convert the francs. Do they use euros over there? Yeah.

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Yeah. It looks like one from a guy who likes butt fucking.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6455.899

Oh, it's a joke, but he got paid for it. What do you think that guy paid? I think it's about two. 1.7, I feel like. I feel like 1.7 million. I need to know, Jamie.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6473.515

Even 1.7 million is money laundering. That's a butt plug. It's worth $30. But it's so visible. It's just so stupid. It's so obviously a butt plug. It's like if you had a rubber gun and tried to say, no, that's not a gun. What are you mad? That's a lighter. Have you ever seen a lighter like that? That's all it is. It's a lighter. Oh, what do you think? There's a war on Christmas?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

648.64

And you're old and you don't need that kind of stress in your life. You know, if you're old as fuck and then all of a sudden your Social Security stops, that's fucking terrifying.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6490.822

Yeah. There's a war on Christianity, so I put a butt plug in the middle of town square. You know who loves Christmas, by the way? Who?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6506.559

Yeah, they get it. It's great. Otherwise, we're not going to spend above your means. We need a few holidays to spend above your means. It's important.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6526.609

Let's imagine AI becomes sentient, and it looks at the society and says, listen, I'm not going to kill you all, but we've got to change the way you guys run things. You can't run things anymore. What you've done with money and natural resources and all these different, all the stuff that you've done has just made the world a worse place, and you're just running towards the bottom.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6544.958

So it's going to punish the leaders. No more private jets. Even out everything. It'll probably have to eliminate property. Again, who's programming the- It's probably going to assign us a certain amount of things that we can have in our life, and no one can get greedy, and no one can earn more, so there's no reason to get inspired.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6576.357

It's made out of clay, right?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6671.826

Phrenology.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6681.889

You know what's weird about the whole phrenology thing is, like, we're the smarter ones, right? But the Neanderthals had a bigger brain. So what the fuck happened?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6699.029

They're basically the same size. I'm 6'4". The freaky thing is the fist size. My fists are crazy. It's just bizarre. But they were when I was like 15, 16 years old.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6710.293

Well, there's more. People that live in Nordic countries and Danish countries, like the Northern Europeans, there's a lot of Neanderthal DNA out there. People started, they started fucking each other. And then I guess it was probably, I wonder if it was like Neanderthal males and human females or human females or human males and Neanderthal females.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6732.705

I wonder like which one made, cause like there's certain hybrids that can't breed, you know, and then there's certain ones that can. Right. So I wonder how close we were to them where we could breed back. You have to be very close to breed. How do they do that? And not have a mule? Right. Right, right, right. Exactly. Mule. It's a perfect example.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6753.242

They can't make more mules. You have to make a mule with a horse and a donkey.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6764.091

I wonder if... We're like the upgraded, we're the iPhone 16 of people, you know? And like they probably had a bunch of other ones before and they had to try it that way.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6774.937

The fifth root race and all that bullshit from Madame Blavatsky. Well, imagine if you're creating a human and you have a bunch of different versions of it. If you're the Anunnaki, you're these nine foot tall gods from planet Nibiru and you come down here, you try 6%. You try 6% with the Neanderthals, and then maybe you try 7% with the Homo sapiens. And we'll see what's the difference.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6803.014

Right, but just think about the timeline of Neanderthals. So Neanderthals existed unchanged for half a... fucking billion years, right? Or half a million years. It was like 500,000 years of Neanderthals existing.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6820.509

I've heard cooking food. There's a lot of ideas of why. But no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not that. No, but Neanderthals had bigger brains, so it doesn't make any sense. So it's even weirder, right? Dude, beta is better than VHS, but guess who fucking won? Yeah, but imagine if you're Nibiru people, you're these aliens, and you're like, these motherfuckers aren't learning shit.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6838.883

They're too animalistic. Right. They're too close. Like, they had much larger eyes. Some people speculate they had night vision like a dog does. You know how dogs' eyes glow when they see headlights?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6854.449

But they think that's probably true, right? I think they think that based on the size of their eyeballs. Have you ever seen the size of Neanderthal skulls compared to humans? The eyeball socket is fucking huge. So their eyeballs were bigger, and so why would that be the case? Well, it might be like the case with dogs and deer and all these other animals.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6894.984

They used tools. So we know all this. But the thing is there's physical intelligence that they had that's probably way superior to ours. Meaning like they're way stronger. Their bones were way denser. And their tendon strength must have been like multiple times what a normal human man is at that size. So you're dealing with a physically superior thing that was too primal.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6918.213

So they had to introduce another version, which is slightly less primal but still kind of fucked up. And that's the one that figured out how to make everything. That's the one that figured out how to do metallurgy. That's the one that figured out industrial enterprise and the combustion engine and planes. You hear what you're saying?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6945.018

Well, that, but I don't want... Like, you can even see now... Curious and ambitious makes new alien life. That's all it takes. Curiosity and ambition, and that's two things that human beings have.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6969.174

That's real. No, listen. It's both. This is what's important when it comes to this one. There's a real reality of jet engines getting hot, passing through condensation, making clouds. That's a fact. Yes. Regular jets like a Delta Airlines that's filled with people that's not trying to be spraying chemtrails will make clouds behind it.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

6988.325

And depending upon the amount of moisture in the air, it'll linger for a long time. These streaks across the sky. That's what I thought it all was, but it's not. It's not. And this is how you know it's not, because Bill Gates has openly talked about experiments where they use reflective particles and suspend them in the atmosphere to cool off the Earth. We have a treaty.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7007.714

But also, that's a crazy fucking idea.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7018.823

Right. Making it rain, how weather manipulation and geoengineering are fueling global tensions. Well, listen, we talked about it the other day, what they did in Dubai. They fucked up and they went too hard with the cloud seeding. It was crazy flooding they had because they're not set up for that kind of rainfall. They're in the fucking desert.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

702.701

God forbid. Well, they haven't even started with military. But just right now, like the USAID stuff, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7058.367

Because everybody has all the other crap. So how do you even distinct- That's Saudi Arabia as well. They do Saudi summers in LA. Have you ever been around for that? No. So in Saudi Arabia, summer is so hot that LA summer seems like a bargain. So these guys, they all buy these beautiful houses in Beverly Hills, and they all drive these crazy Lamborghinis with Saudi plates.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7079.816

So they have some sort of a diplomatic immunity. You can really drive them. So there's videos of these guys in Beverly Hills before the pandemic racing down local streets, like having drag races in Ferraris and Lamborghinis. Yeah, what are you going to do about it? Have you seen it? And one of them fucked his car up. His car's, like, smoking. He pulls it into the driveway. Everyone's filming.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7102.868

All the neighbors are filming. And then the guy just gets on a plane and gets out of the country. See ya!

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7108.131

And just jets before they get caught. And they have, like, some weird diplomatic immunity, too. No, that's what I'm saying. That's why they're doing it. Diplomatic immunity is a trip. Like, that's a crazy thing. Like, you could just come to the country, just go wild, run stoplights, race down the street in a Ferrari. Have a slave car. You could have a slave?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

718.731

So that means the programs are cut, but the money is still allocated somewhere else?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7182.57

That's why it was so important that you said that before the pandemic. I see it. I see the same fucking shit. I see the same shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7229.472

100%.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7229.532

I back you on that 100%. I got to take a piss so bad.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7233.153

So let's do it. We'll come right back. We're back. So where were we? What were we talking about? Do you remember Jamie? Yeah. Something about the world falling apart? Well, guess what?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7247.197

Yeah.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7288.022

I mean, out of all the things that the government has fucked up, this regime change thing, they've fucked that up more than anything. Like, has it ever worked out better for the people that lived there? Think about how many people died during... I know, I understand. But the thing about, like, trying to sell the same thing over and over and over again... It's insulting, isn't it? Yeah, it is.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7305.758

Because every single time, it's been a fucking disaster.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

735.206

So literally no change. Was it a genius, though, to call it USAID? Because you have to be for it. It's like Patriot Act.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7360.035

There's a lot of stuff that the United States always possesses that are top secret. Like there's certain videos that they will not show allegedly of UFOs because then it would reveal the kind of surveillance equipment that they have available and where the surveillance equipment is, including underwater stuff.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7420.053

Jesus Christ, you're freaking me out, Kurt. This is like the green room at night.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7432.319

I'm not telling you I walk out of it, but I'm just saying- How bizarre is it that you're kind of right? How bizarre is it that you're right that we're inching closer and closer towards World War III, and that's not what people are concerned about? They're concerned with putting a swastika on a Tesla.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7461.044

Jamie, put that thing I just sent you. These are the same people that are getting paid to go to the Tesla demonstrations. Yeah. Same people that get paid to go to the Tesla protest? They do human dog obedience shows like this. These are the people.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7605.066

Well, someone was pointing out all the different companies that were actually started by Nazis while people were freaking out about Tesla. And one of them that I didn't know, did you know that Audi used to make camps? Were they reliable, well-made camps? Before Audi, the parent company, the original company, Audi, was Auto Union. And in 2014, I believe, it was revealed that they were making camps.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

762.592

That's rude.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7635.546

For the SS in World War II. Like, this is one of the ways they got started. And they made a fucking car for Hitler. They made a race car for Hitler.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7647.83

Yes. What do you mean? Made Hitler a car?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7658.427

What? Hold on a second. We'll get to that in a second. Nazi SS divisions built seven labor camps where more than 3,700 prisoners were put to work for auto union. So this was like for Audi. They had people working at factories in the eastern German cities of, say that word. How do you say that word? Where? Zwitschau?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7678.782

No, it's below, Jamie. Right there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7681.965

And what were we pointing out? Historical investigation commissioned by the company found that thousands of concentration camp inmates had been forced to work for auto union and automobile manufacturer founded in 1932 and a forerunner to the company of today's Audi AG. That's wild.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7699.211

There's a bunch of them.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7700.771

They were RG Farben. Right.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7731.465

There's so many psychopaths out there. I wouldn't put it past people to do something like that. That's a total house of cards.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

774.884

It's so tricky.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

776.105

Put my name on that evil shit you do.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

778.248

It's so tricky because USAID just seems like a great name for a real charitable organization.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7791.025

I think they're trying to make an example of kids to keep people from protesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7796.447

Okay. Of course. Obviously. I forgot what I was going to say.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

78.876

There was a less than zero chance that it would burn up the entire atmosphere of the Earth instantaneously and all life would be over. Well, it's a chance we've got to take. They took it. They just took it. Yeah. I wonder if it was bigger than they thought it was. I wonder what... So, like, no one had ever seen a nuclear explosion before those people did. Weren't they too close?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7803.543

No, I forgot what I was going to say. I was going somewhere with it. One of the problems with this is people can't see this being used against them. That's one of the problems. And people only look at it like, oh, this is a hard, fast thing. Hamas is a terrorist group. This lady supported Hamas. But did she? I want to know what she fucking said. They don't say. Exactly what she said.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7826.875

There has to be a way to read it.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7833.039

This is what I was going to get to. There's a difference between someone that has an opinion and people that protest organically because they all agree on this opinion versus something that's organized. And a lot of people are spending money on, and they're organizing it, and they're figuring out how to get people there on time, and they're giving them food, and they're giving them signs.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7852.352

The Musk ones, the Tesla ones, have you seen the list? Have you seen the list that they give them?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7864.608

But someone who is there got a copy of these talking points. And one of the things about the talking points is there was another one. I forget which – who put that one out. But it was – there were rules of engagement of how – like if you get in fights, do this. Hit people to the body. Don't pick up an object unless somebody else does. Like this is all crazy.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7884.648

If you're organizing, it's essentially you're condoning a certain amount of violence which opens the door to violence which can't be controlled. If you're condoning that and you're paying people to go out and scream in protest for something they're not organically going to scream in protest for, that's a different thing than just protesting.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7901.762

When you're paying people to protest, you're basically paying someone to harass a business. They don't necessarily have those opinions. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

792.324

Right, but also you have to support all aides. Okay, if you're not even thinking, like no information in the news at all, if someone tells you do you want to cut aid, you're a good person. You're going to say no. Of course we don't want to cut aid. This is U.S. aid. They're going to cut U.S. aid like, oh, my God, where do I sign? I want to stop.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

7946.164

Thank you. Thank you.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8018.379

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8283.399

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

831.654

Well, even just the calling it USAID when it's the United States Agency for International Development. Yeah. Like, wait a minute. What do you guys do?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8392.259

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

852.594

Let's ramp it up. We need a number three.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

854.916

The two is just too weak these days with all the cybersecurity risks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8680.894

A lot of people think like that once they have a mortgage and kids. They really do. They think, you know, I just don't want to rock the boat. I understand that. I'm barely staying above water right now as it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8693.278

Let me tell you something that happens to rich people. They get scared they're not going to be rich anymore. Yeah. And they want to keep their party rolling. Yeah. No, I know. I'm serious. That's what happens. You feel that fear. There's this fear. It's the same thing that always pops up. It's famine mentality. It's the same reason why people want all the attention. Yeah, they want everything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8713.525

They want to be number one. It's the same thing. It's famine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8737.15

Well, they did it during the Obama administration. They did it during the Clinton administration. Government efficiency programs are not new. It's not a new thing. And the thing is, I understand that he's polarizing because of a lot of things, unfortunately, that he did. He said a lot. But there's a lot about what he's uncovering that's important for you to know that your money's being wasted.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8757.541

And that's not a partisan thing. And it shouldn't be.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8763.068

But you should also know that this fucking protest against him is probably funded. It's too organized. It's too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8768.494

often it's too regular this there's people that are involved there are chance that they hand out this is someone's paying money for this stuff whether they're paying those people or not I think they are I could be wrong but I don't think I am you know the soda people right point is like it's organized it's not natural

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8823.139

American Heart Association fought it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8827.823

That's adorable. American Heart Association fought poison.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8830.986

No, come on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

886.864

So what are you wearing? Timber Sycamore. Classified weapon supply and training program run by the United States Central Intelligence Agency and supported by the United Kingdom and some Arab intelligence services, including Saudi intelligence.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8865.768

Well, the idea, I think, of the SNAP thing is to incur lobster and steak. Food stamp myth refuses to die. So do you know why they're doing it? 1976 campaign speech. In Chicago, they found a woman who holds the record, he told the assembled crowd. She used 80 names, 30 addresses, 15 telephone numbers to collect food stamps.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8882.577

Social Security, veterans benefits for four non-existent deceased veteran husbands, as well as welfare. Her tax-free income alone has been running $150,000 a year. Sounds like this lady's pretty cool. Reagan's story turned out to be a gross exaggeration of a minor case of welfare fraud.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8898.685

Well, I don't know who to believe because I want to believe that she pulled this off because I think it's kind of badass. If you're going to duck the welfare system, doing it with 80 different people is kind of fucking hilarious in 1976. $150K in 1976, what do you think that is today in today's money? He combined it with a CIA op, I'm sure. How much is that in today's money, Jamie? Let's guess.

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8917.853

$150,000. I say that's $2.7 million. I think you're right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8931.263

So that's the conservative. Can you find out what that is?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8936.445

Oh, I thought it would be millions. So we've been lied to about inflation. Wait, so the soda people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

8998.803

I thought they said the law.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9003.486

There's a lot of like- Let's get on the fluoride thing for a second before we scatter. Huberman had a great episode of his podcast with this woman who's a doctor who discussed the impact of fluoride. Maybe that explains Florida. There's Florida in the water.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

901.519

The aim of the program was to remove Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from power. Launched in 2012 or 2013, it supplied money, weaponry, and training to Syrian opposition groups fighting Syrian government forces in the Syrian civil war. There's a lot of Syrians in there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9023.085

That might be it. That might be it. We might have stumbled onto something. It was like chemical waste from I don't know who. Well, it's just fucking crazy. But the thing is that it's a known neurotoxin, and there's no reason for it to be in the fucking water. And yet there's still people that are saying it should be in the water.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9035.393

There's these crazy fucking – it impacts dental health of impoverished people. Shut the fuck up. Check where their money comes from. Meanwhile, these are the same people. I mean, this is like the whole fucking sugar and sweet thing. Why do you think they're getting so many cavities? Why is anybody getting so many cavities?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9073.605

They recognize the influence that these companies that sell this stuff have on these people. these different commissions that decide what gets... Like, the American Heart Association gets funded by some of these companies, which is crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9088.897

That's why they... Is that true? Make sure that's true, because I read that. The American Heart Association receives funding from, like...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9103.615

They have to. They make little deals. They do things. They donate. They rub shoulders.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9112.526

If you want to be in the country club. I do. You got to play the game, Kurt. Golf? You can't keep rocking the boat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9123.255

No, a blind eye will serve you better. You were kind. Is it true before we wrap this up? Is it true what I just said?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9142.09

Of course they did. Of course they received funding from them. Everybody's receiving funding from somebody. Everybody's slipping someone a little. Get in the door. Give Bobby a hundred.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9152.433

Coke, Pepsi provide sponsorship money to American ACC, AHA, and 93 other health organizations. Well, why would that affect it? American College of Cardiology gets money from a fucking company that makes heart attack drinks. American Heart Association, American Diabetes. American Diabetes Association gets money from Coke.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9178.124

Coke and Cola Company sponsored 95 national health organizations. Why PepsiCo sponsored 13. The end of 2015, the ACC, Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, American Academy of Pediatrics, and American Academy of Family Physicians did not renew their contracts with Coca-Cola. So they realized, like, this is out of control.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9211.749

Have a nice Coke. Yes, you're going to be fine. Kurt Metzger, I love you to death. Yeah, dude. Thank you very much for being here. Thanks, man. This is like you and I in the green room. all over again. How many of these conversations have we had?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9232.106

We need it. Yeah, and I'm glad you're around, brother. You too, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

9235.409

Thank you. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

929.94

You don't have to shoot them if you see them. They're not all bad guys. Al Qaeda? Cut them some slack.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2298 - Kurt Metzger

935.203

What did I send you something earlier today?

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

938.505

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#2298 - Kurt Metzger

99.315

Well, they definitely weren't really far away, right? I know a few of them. People were too close. Well, you know, the real problem is the area where they did it is radioactive forever. They did a bunch of these tests out in the desert, and then John Wayne and his crew went out there and all got cancer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

10034.209

It is, but again, it goes back to this tribal thing is that people don't want to admit that having an open border is going to let in terrorists because the previous administration, which was democratic, had essentially an open border policy. And it was based on this concept of empathy. And you have sanctuary cities like New York. And then as soon as the mayor opposes it, well, guess what?

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#2263 - Gad Saad

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He gets indicted. It's all so transparent. It's so crazy. It's right in front of your face. And so I don't understand what they're doing. And there's a lot of arguments. They're doing it for cheap labor. They're doing it to get votes. They're doing it for whatever they're doing. You're making things less safe.

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And to oppose getting rid of cartel members and gang members and criminals and pedophiles and serial killers, to oppose – Getting rid of them and deporting them is just nuts.

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Right, and that is the perspective of the extreme leftists. And it's a cult-like perspective. It doesn't hold up to scrutiny. It doesn't make sense. It's not empathetic. It's certainly not empathetic to the people that are victim to those people.

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Yeah, that's the only way to talk to people. And I wanted to do that with Harris, too. I wanted to be able to talk to her as a human, just have a conversation with her. I know there's a human in there. I know the whole system's fucked, but I've talked about this before, but there's this one interview that she does where she talks about meeting her mother and father-in-law for the first time.

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But what you're doing- And everyone's like, it's just a small amount.

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Well, is 900 small? What would be a big number? Also, here's the big thing. There was not 900 10 years ago. Right. OK, so what happened in 10 years and what happens 10 years from now? Are we willing to have all female sports dominated by men? Right. Who believe that they're women? That's crazy. Right. That doesn't make any sense.

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Well, in Canada, there was a 50 year old man who identified with a fifth as a teenage girl. So he's competing in swimming events. I believe he was a professor.

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Isn't it nuts? And then that actually turned out to be true, where people go, that's ridiculous. I remember I watched Dennis Prager on Bill Maher's show a long time ago, and he was talking about how men can menstruate. Next thing you're going to be saying, men can menstruate. And the whole place goes nuts and screams and cheers. Like, what are you saying? Because this was quite a while ago.

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And now it's commonplace. It's commonplace. Commonplace to say men can menstruate. In fact, Tampon Tim, Tim Walsh, the guy was putting tampons in the men's room.

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What does that mean, menstrual equity? How can you get men to menstruate?

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What does it mean? It's so crazy.

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Other people say it differently.

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I've even heard people say it like polivet. No, it's poilievre. Poilievre. Pierre Poilievre. He's a very logical guy. It was one of the things that was interesting. A reporter questioned him on whether or not he aligns with Donald Trump in that there are two genders. And he said, well, if there's other genders, I'd like you to tell me what they are.

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I'm open to, tell me what they are.

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Yeah, when he was eating an apple.

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Well, it seems like that's what your country needs. And I hope it happens. I hope he wins. I hope there's some sort of a recognition that if America changes course and course corrects and America starts to thrive and do better, which I think it will, and gets the violent crime down and a lot of the issues down and prices down.

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And if all that stuff happens, I hope Canada comes to its senses and wakes up from this woke trance.

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And it's so funny when she talks about her mother-in-law grabbing her face. It goes, oh, look at you. And she's laughing, but she's laughing genuine. It's not that weird performative laugh that she does sometimes. It's really funny. I was like, there's a human in there.

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Yeah, unless you become the 51st state. Come on, join up.

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The same thing as the Hitler thing with Elon. So they don't really believe it. No, it's an attack vector. They're just looking at it like, I can go after him now. And this is one of the major problems with social media is that it's really good for that. It's really good for people to be shitty. You know, what we talked about, it's the least connected form of discourse between human beings.

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It's so much... It's shittier than verbal communication and what is eventually going to be telepathic communication is going to far exceed that to the point where you're not going to have to wonder what a person thinks. You're going to know what they think.

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No. I mean, occasionally. I wanted to get Peter Hotez to debate with Bobby Kennedy, and he was calling me a neo-fascist. It's neo-fascist leanings. And I was like, this is so ridiculous. I'll give a bunch of money to the charity of your choosing. Oh, yes, I remember that. I said, I'll donate $100,000. You pick a charity. Debate him here. Explain what's going on.

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If you're so smart and you're so correct, come debate him. And nobody, you know, he didn't want to do it. It's just the whole thing is just like I don't like to do that because I don't like it's going to sound very hippie. I don't like negativity. I don't want to argue with anybody. I don't even want to argue with people that I disagree with.

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If I disagree with someone, I'd like to have a discussion with them. I'd like to have a calm, civil discussion with you. I don't think things should be, I think you should avoid personal attacks and all that stuff whenever possible. I think it's bad for you.

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Yeah, I don't argue. I'm not interested. I don't like bad vibes. I can disagree with someone. I'll have people on the podcast that I disagree with. I'm never mean to them. I never call them names. I don't think it's good for you. I don't think it's good. Look, I'm good at it. I'm a professional shit talker. I can talk a lot of shit.

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If I want to make fun of someone, I can make fun of someone pretty easily. I don't want to. I don't want to. I'm not interested. I make fun in jokes. I do stand-up. I make fun on podcasts. We fuck around and joke around, but In real life or in actual communication with another person, I don't want it. I don't think it's necessary for you to have a full, rich life. I think it's junk food.

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I think it's essentially like you don't need to eat chips. Don't eat chips. Chips are killing you and Mountain Dew is killing you. Don't eat Mountain Dew. I think negativity is bad for everyone. I think it's bad for the person who pushes it out. It's bad for the person that receives it. It's the reason why people don't like being canceled.

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All these people are dumping on you and it's all this negativity and like, oh, and you feel terrible and they know you feel terrible. So they keep piling on. I think it's bad for them. I think it's bad for your soul. I think it's bad for your self-respect, for how you view yourself as an evolved human being, like that you want to do that to a person and go after them like that.

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I mean, the only exceptions are if someone's a criminal, someone's doing something like, you know, if you're the head of a pharmaceutical drug company that's pushing stuff on people, that's killing people and you know it is and you're hiding it. If you're a person who's involved in the trafficking of, you know, underage sex workers or whatever, whatever. Whatever it is, it's evil.

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10573.728

You want to go after pure evil in the world? Okay, I get it. But most of what people do when they're really shitty to each other is like political disagreements or ideological disagreements. And it shows your weakness as a person.

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I think it's also a lot of people that don't understand real conflict, right? I think people have a certain amount of anticipation, just being a human being, again, with this old operating system that we have. There's a certain amount of anticipation of an enemy and of a threat and of a thing that you have to defeat.

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I think it's just naturally built into us to the point where people become illogical, especially when they get super tribal. They're on a team. We're on a team, so we have to defeat the people on the other team. So you say horrible things about people on the other team on Twitter, and then people retweet it and post it to you, and you feed off of it. I think it's a stupid way to communicate.

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You don't know until you do it, you know? You don't know also based on people's conversations with other people, because people are different. Some people, they go into conversations like it's an interview, right? And so they can't establish a flow. Right? A conversation like what you and I are having is a dance. Exactly.

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I think it's a stupid way for human beings to think and behave. And I think it goes back to what I said before about ideas, that you're not your ideas. You cannot be your ideas. If you want to talk about ideas, just talk about what the ideas and what you think things should be and what... This is what you think is going on. And have respectful conversations with people that disagree.

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And that's the best way to communicate. And that's just too hard to find.

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It's just- But even if it's a person that you don't know, there's a person on the other end of that.

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No, you should punch him if he slaps you once. Oh, there you go. Because slaps usually lead to something else. There you go. Can't let a guy get away with a slap.

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And you kind of maintain it if you're still blocked.

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Are you still blocked now?

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I don't think he unblocks people. I thought you can't block people now. Well, you can block people still. You just can't still see.

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Well, you know, he's on his own journey.

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We're both moving, we have to like... I actually call it a tango, like literally. It is a tango. It's a tango. It's a dance. And you have to know that. And some people literally are having these things and don't know it's a tango. They think that it's an opportunity for them to expose people's flaws or catch people in viral moments or an opportunity to flex your intellect.

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Yeah, it's not going to hurt. I've had a conversation with him on the phone. Uh, I think, you know, life is short. Life goes by very quickly. And like I said, I think that stuff engaging in that stuff is just like eating junk food. I don't think you should do it. Yeah. Don't think it's smart. But less, less.

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There's also a thing too where if someone writes something, for some reason it seems more real than if they just say it to their friend. People talk shit all the time. They say things and then they say, I shouldn't have said that. But when it's written down, it's out there forever on the internet, which is really weird. It's another aspect of it that's very strange.

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Yes. Brendan Schaub. Yeah.

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Yeah. But that's the beauty of podcasts is like you could never have something that ridiculous on like Saturday Night Live or Or on the Jimmy Kimmel show or any late night talk show. It's like the only place that's no holds barred like that is podcasts.

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Bobby's very funny.

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He's a good dude, too.

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He's purely funny, whereas Bill Maher is very political and opinionated. He has that sort of antagonistic personal style of politics. It's never just about ideas. It's a complete mockery of everything. It's a comedic bent on everything. Which everybody likes different things, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, I've had them on. Yeah, a couple times. I like them. It's just like I don't talk to people like that, though. And this is like as I've gotten older and wiser and had more experiences in life and thought about things more and more and more. I've decided to engage in as little of that shit as possible.

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They also realize all that is extra energy. It's all just energy that you're giving out to conversations online, arguing with people online, just bad energy. It's not a good use of energy, I should say. It's an improper use of energy. It's a waste. This is what I describe to people, and I'm sorry if you've heard this before.

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Say think of your mind as your mind has units of Thought you have a hundred units that you can use and you're using 30 of them on social media Arguing that's a good way to look at it Now you've deprived yourself of your music or your poetry or your art whatever you do that you really like to do You've deprived yourself of your access to your units of thought that can focus on this positive thing because you're spending time arguing about whatever the fuck it is and

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There's a bunch of things. So it fucks with the flow because as a person listening, I want to feel a genuine conversation. That's what I want, right? And you can get that out of almost anybody if they're willing to do it. But that you have to be skillful in how you negotiate it and how you do it. You have to think about it like it's like a dance.

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Whatever it is online. Whatever it is.

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Yeah, I don't argue with like that. I don't ever like, I don't get mean ever. Never. We don't even yell. We'll talk about stuff. We'll disagree on stuff, but it never gets shitty. I don't think you should talk to people like that that are your friends. I don't think you should talk to your loved ones like that.

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I mean, sometimes you have to tell your friend, hey, dude, you're being a fucking idiot. You've got to stop doing that. You're going to ruin your life. You're doing it for their benefit. And sometimes you have to speak in harsh language just to let them know how you actually feel about what's happening. But for the most part, I don't think it's...

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I don't think it's good in any way, shape, or form. And if you're in one of those relationships where you yell at each other and throw things at each other and call each other the worst things possible and then make up.

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15. Yeah, look, it's beautiful to be happy. It's beautiful to be in a good relationship. But like all things, like online communication, like interpersonal communication, it takes work. And you have to have a thought like, this is what I don't want out of my life. I don't want conflict. I don't want bullshit. And I don't want to be the cause of conflict.

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So you have to have your own shit together too. Some people, they don't want conflict, but they create it all the time by stupid decisions and bad behavior. Right. And you gotta learn that too.

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People I know come after me all the time. I ignore it. Right. I don't engage. Good luck. You can have your opinions about me. Good luck. It's okay. Have fun. Enjoy your life. I self-assess all the time. I self-audit my own behavior. I'm my own worst critic. Right. So things that other people that are saying about me, especially if they're inaccurate, it doesn't work. It doesn't affect me.

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I don't care. Right. I'm happy.

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Well, I try, but it's hard work. It's not like this is an easy thing to try to stay at peace all the time when I work at it.

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There could be a point in time when I don't want to do this anymore, but I think it would be more related to not want to be public anymore, not interested in having your thoughts out there in the world.

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It might be the point in time where I want to enter a different phase of my life where I don't think about expressing myself publicly anymore. I could see that where I'm thinking about just living my life, doing the things that I'm interested in because I'm interested in a lot of things and I don't want to limit the amount of things that I'm exposed to that I'm interested in.

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What are some of the things that are... I'm full of stuff between martial arts and comedy and archery and playing pool and all the different things that I enjoy doing. When people tell me they're bored, I just don't understand. I don't understand how you can be bored. The world is so interesting. There's so many different things to learn.

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11361.866

Yeah, no, I'm sure.

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I think the secret is numbers, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

11375.589

Putting in the numbers. I do a lot more podcasts than most people. You do it five days a week, right? Four, mostly four, sometimes three, sometimes five.

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11385.791

More threes than fives, but a bunch of fives. But the most important thing is just for 15, 16 years. It's like I've done it forever. And so in doing it for that long, over the course of that immense amount of time talking to people, you just get better at talking to people. It's like everything else.

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11403.155

You get better at it the more you do it, and then you understand what sucks about what you're doing.

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Yeah, it happens. I don't want to give a number, but I mean, it definitely happens. It's like you don't know until you talk to someone. And some people, you can tell some people are bullshitting you and some people are pushing an agenda and some people just aren't that good at talking and they're not compelling and you can't drag anything out of them.

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Wow. I was going to say 10. Wow.

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All right. Bye, everybody. Bye.

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It's also perhaps who is she talking to? Do they have the ability to, do they have the personality? Do they have whatever it is that allows people to be comfortable and have a conversation?

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Because all these conversations is just like the way I talk about like these rambling speeches that she does, which she kind of rambles on. It's because she's I know what it's like. She's trying to dismount. She doesn't know how to dismount. So it's pressure. Right. But how is she verbally when there's no pressure? I bet she's a lot better. Everybody is. So that's the goal.

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The goal is to talk to her like a human. There was a few things they didn't want to talk about. I said, I don't care. We could talk about fucking groceries. I don't give a shit. We talk about flowers. Don't give a fuck. I just want to talk. Let's talk. Anybody who doesn't want to talk about something, I don't need to talk to them about that.

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If you've had a UFO experience and you don't want to talk about it, okay, let's talk about ghosts. What do you think about Bigfoot?

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#2263 - Gad Saad

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Yeah, I want to believe. That's the problem. The problem with Bigfoot is the same problem that I have with... No, I don't believe. But it's the same problem that I have with UFOs. The problem is I am very biased. Look, there's a fucking UFO right behind me. Very, very biased. There's a UFO on the desk. Look, that's the sport model from Bob Lazar, what he found in Area S4, Area 51. Okay.

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I am a romantic in that way. I want to believe in stupid shit.

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I do. So I have to be careful. I have to be careful in what do I actually believe versus what do I want to believe. Like what does the data show me? And the data shows me, especially what I know now,

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from being a hunter for 12 years and spending a lot of time in the woods and knowing how many people are out there and how many people have phones and cameras and how many trail cameras there are and how many... We have, like, real accurate... There's only two jaguars that we know of that are in North America, and they know exactly where they are.

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Like, are you telling me... Are you telling me this fucking giant ape is wandering around Seattle?

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#2263 - Gad Saad

1443.038

Right. It's just not likely. Also, there's a bunch of reasonable explanations. First of all, have you ever been to the Pacific Northwest? I've been to Seattle. The woods up there are fascinating because it's essentially a rainforest. So there's so much rain that the forest is dense like these fingers. Right. It's like a box of Q-tips. That's what I always describe it as. There's no spaces.

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It's just trees everywhere. There's no big open spaces. If you go to Montana, you go to the woods, there's mountains and there's trees, but there's space in between the trees. Right. It's expansive. There's no fucking space up there. It's a rainforest. It's like this. You don't see shit. And bears are known commonly to walk on two legs. They do it all the time. I've seen bears.

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Personally, with my own eyes, I've seen bears in the woods walk on two legs. They do it all the time. So if you're looking in between all these trees and something... 100 yards away is going in between trees and standing up tall. You just saw a Bigfoot.

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Meanwhile, you saw a black bear.

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Normal, everyday, average black bear, stand on its back legs. They do it all the time and they could easily be seven feet tall.

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Hmm. That's interesting. I don't think you should think that way. I think they're human beings and you should want them to know things. It's just that we enjoy the position of being the person that has all the deep, dark knowledge of the world and dealing with this innocent child that wants to watch Dora the Explorer. You know, Dora.

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That's a good example, a good example, because when people are looking at cars and they're trying to figure it out, like you start going over, especially today, start going over all the details and different things they do. And then you get online, what's more reliable?

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Yeah, Peppa Pig, all those kind of shows. And there's, you know, there's something beautiful in watching a little person learn stuff about the world and shocking when they find out about, like, murders and danger and scary things. And, you know, and then their realm of knowledge expands to, you know—

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ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. It's interesting that one of our biggest hurdles is the human ego does not want us to ever be wrong. Right. It's a giant hurdle. And human beings, for whatever reason, I guess it's part of the motivation of acquiring information and of advancing your ideas. We attach ourselves to ideas, right?

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One of the things I always tell young people like if you want to if you want to do better in life and not Get tricked by your own bullshit. Don't be married to your ideas Ideas are just ideas. You are not your ideas ideas are some things that you fuck around with in your head and You explore and you talk about with friends, but you have to always be honest about them and never be attached to them.

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The problem with ideas is that ideas are just like everything else. Human beings grab them and they're stingy and they're like, mine, and I want my idea to win. And you'll lie so your idea wins and it'll advance your career if your idea wins. And if you can... Even if you can unfairly dismiss or you can be unethical in how you're ignoring certain aspects of data for your opposing ideas.

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People do that and succeed because of that. Because academia rewards them. The media rewards them. especially, you know, if they can publish in the New York Times or something like that, like if they can make a story like that, you'll get rewarded for lying.

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Yeah, it's awful. It's awful because we rely on experts. And a lot of times experts are just like everybody else. They're competing with these other experts and they're trying to get ahead and they're willing to bullshit. And also there's financial reward in bullshitting. There's people that would like them to bullshit a little bit.

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It would make it a lot easier for us to pass this thing that we're trying to do. Do a little bullshitting.

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Well, that competition, it creeps into medical science as well. And the really scary thing, I was reading about this case where this doctor was treating people for cancer that didn't have cancer. He was giving chemotherapy to all these people that didn't have cancer. And when they confronted him, one of the things that he said is, you have to eat what you kill in this business. Wow.

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So it was essentially he was saying in order to thrive as a cancer doctor, he had to diagnose more people with cancer than actually had cancer. And he was in some way, if not justifying, explaining the thought process that led him to do this, which is so crazy to think. That's unbelievable. But that's the reality of being a person.

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It's like your ego and your mind and the justifications that you can make for doing certain things. I mean, this is why we have war, right? This is what war is, the ultimate expression of that justification of the most horrific things because you believe it's the right thing to do. Or because it benefits you. Or because if you don't, something's going to happen.

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Well, what's interesting about you and your work is you predicted essentially the entire COVID pandemic.

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God, I didn't know anything about politics blissfully, blissfully unaware when I was 13.

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reaction and the freak out and the woke mob the the whole the whole left freak out way before it was going on you caught like the first sounds of the drums in the far distance you're like guys we got to get the fuck out of here and everybody's like relax i don't hear any drums and you're like dude i heard drums i mean viking drums that is literally my autobiography

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Yeah, well, that's what you did. You really did do that. You were way ahead of it, and you were widely criticized by a bunch of those people who turned out to be these woke dipshits. They eventually fell into the trance, and they all put their fucking bios on their gender bios on their Twitter.

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Well, trans was just the ultimate expression of this preposterous idea, this inclusion, like this idea that the more suppressed you are or the more maligned you are, the more social credit we have to give you. And this is in the name of equity.

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Right. But I did worry about Russia. When I was in high school, everybody was terrified. Before the fall of the Soviet Union, we were terrified that we were going to go to war with Russia. It was like a thing that was hovering over our head every day. That was kind of all I knew about politics. Russia bad, United States good. Russia bad, wants to kill United States.

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So we bump a biological male who thinks he's a woman ahead of actual biological women to the point where it's like literally victimizing these women and we ignore it. We try to pretend it doesn't happen, whether it's in schools or it's like in the workplace. And that's the ultimate expression of this ability to completely ignore reality because it doesn't align with your ideology.

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Now, is the idea behind the University of Austin, I only peripherally know what's going on. I know they brought in a lot of very interesting people that are going to be a part of it, and Barry Weiss is a big part of it.

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But what are they trying to do? Are they trying to have a real university like every other university where you get accredited?

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Yeah, education is not supposed to be just indoctrination. It's supposed to be giving you a broad perspective on a bunch of different ways that people look at the world. And what we know about the world, that's a fact. And you're supposed to be able to form your own conclusions. The way you're supposed to be able to do that, you're supposed to see people of different ideologies debate.

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That's what we were basically told. All the movies like Red Dawn, Russia invades America.

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and have conversations about things. You're not supposed to pull fire alarms and shut people off because you don't like what they're saying. You're supposed to have someone from your side who can calmly and reasonably and in a way that's encouraging to other people to think the way they're thinking. You have to be persuasive.

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There has to be something about what they're saying that go, wow, that guy's making some really good points, or wow, she just shut all that down. Now I'm thinking about it differently. You don't – that's like a beautiful part of education is that you might have some – like how many people – wasn't Ronald Reagan at one point in time?

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I think Ronald Reagan was like – he was so left wing that he was investigated by the government. See if that's true. I think I've read this, that Ronald Reagan at one point in time was like a hardcore lefty.

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I think he was a hardcore lefty. And I think during the McCarthy era, I think somewhere around then, I think he was even investigated.

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I think that's true. I'm not sure if it was during the McCarthy era, but he was a really hardcore left-wing. He changed his mind. And how do you change your mind?

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You change your mind by evidence, by interacting with people that have different opinions that you didn't consider before and now you do, and you have to be honest about your ideas and mull them over in your head and figure out why do I think this way now.

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Pretty cool stuff, huh? It's very, very cool stuff. Because it's always so interesting to think of what are the motivations of human thinking and where do we trip on ourself, where do we trip on our own programming, essentially. We're essentially operating... with a system that was in place back when we were hunter and gatherers. We have the same system.

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Hmm. That makes sense. Well, unfortunately, so many doctors don't even take into account so many factors in health. And this thing that you're talking about, this desire for fatty foods, that's a great example. And, you know, one of the best ways that people have found to sort of mitigate the effects of that is to only eat protein.

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When you go on one of those carnivore diets, one of the things that's so interesting about it is you naturally limit the amount you eat. Yeah. Your body achieves sort of a homeostasis with your food because you're not consuming like – I can sit down and eat a steak, a steak alone, and I'll be fine.

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But if there's mashed potatoes sitting right there with gravy or there's some pasta or there's a piece of bread with some butter, I'll go in. But if I'm only eating steak, I don't feel the need to eat anything else.

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I'm fully satisfied. I'm not starving. I'm not like, oh, my God, I need more food. It's like I've had plenty of food, but ooh, that looks good. And that is just the trick. That's the trick. But if you can get past that trick and just be disciplined with your diet and eat as much as you want of eggs and fish and meat, you will lose weight in a shocking way. And you'll feel a lot better.

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And it's kind of disturbing. So are you on an all-protein diet right now? I'm like 90-plus percent only meat. 90 plus percent. Every now and then I'll eat a cookie. Like I'm not ridiculous. I'll have tacos. You know, I love tacos. Good solid Mexican taco. But it's like I know the reality of what food is. Dessert is just fun. It's just mouth fun. It's just mouth pleasure.

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So it's like, oh, this is so good. It's tiramisu. It's delicious. I love it. But that's just because I enjoy life. I like going to a restaurant and a great chef cooks you a great meal and I don't think, oh my God, there's gluten in it. I'm not doing that for nutrition. I'm doing that for enjoyment.

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This is for passion and love and a glass of wine and good conversation with friends and eating delicious food. You're taking part in a pleasurable experience that's essentially art that was created by a chef. Right. So that's different to me. But when it comes to food, like what do I use to fuel my body? It's mostly meat, mostly wild game meat and ribeye steaks. That's what I eat.

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I had a ribeye yesterday at my hotel. I need fat, I need a lot of protein, and then I'm good. And if I just eat that, my brain operates better, my body feels better, less inflammation. The brain fog's the craziest one. When I went back to the carnivore diet, I took a lot of time off and then I went back to it.

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I was telling Jamie, I was like, dude, I feel like I have like a whole nother gear, like intellectually. Amazing. I don't search for thoughts as much when I'm eating only like that. It's palpable. You feel that. But for me, it's because I have so many conversations with people. I know when I'm off. I know when I'm like, oh, I'm slow.

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Like if I just flew in from fucking Italy or something like that and I'm tired and I'm jet lagged, it's a little harder to get the gears turning. I don't feel like I'm at my best. And I always notice the difference when I'm eating well, always.

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I think if you're morbidly obese, it's probably a good idea to do something that helps you get going.

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He's 13. Okay. And it was. That's about the age you shouldn't be listening to my show yet. You used to disturb me when I would meet my youngest daughter's friends when they were before high school. Yeah. And they would say they love my podcast. I was like, geez. This is really not for you. Like some of these subjects, not for you.

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Bro, you're dying. If you're 500 pounds, you're fucking dying. You have all the comorbidities. You probably have diabetes. You probably have all sorts of shit wrong with you. You can't be that big.

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And if you just don't know what to do and you don't know where to turn and your habits are so deeply ingrained in your psyche that you can't pass up ringdings and you can't stop eating sugary cereal or whatever the fuck it is that's your thing, Ozempic is probably a good way to get going.

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You know, I wish people would just get going with discipline and they would just get going with food choices I would like that. Yeah, but goddamn that's hard Especially if you're so far down the road because it takes a long time You know when someone you know says like how do you stay in shape? I'm like because I stay in shape So that's the thing, right?

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I'm 57 years old, but I worked out like this when I was 17. So I don't do anything different. I keep this thing going. I keep the party rolling. And I never let it get fat. Because I've gotten fat before, but never out of shape. I've just gotten fat because I ate too much food. I've never gotten to the point where I wasn't fit. I wasn't exercising.

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I don't think you should ever let yourself get there because it's too fucking hard to get back. Now, if you've gone 39 years of your life doing nothing and just eating potato chips and drinking Mountain Dew and now you're 500 pounds, you don't know what to do. You're looking at a long journey. You're looking at a long journey to getting healthy again.

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It's a long road and it's hard to do a long journey because you're not going to see it every day. You're not going to see any results. You're going to look in the mirror. You still see all this extra meat and fat. You're going to be disgusted with yourself. You want to look like the guys at the gym. It's going to take forever.

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what's the number the temporal number the time number of how long it would take me to lose 10 pounds it's probably three four or five times that so that there's well it depends on what you're doing okay so it depends on how you're losing the weight and it depends on are you doing are you do you have multiple things going on simultaneously like have you started exercising have you stopped uh drinking sugary sodas right have you changed your diet completely are you getting enough sleep

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All those things factor in. Getting enough sleep is a giant factor. One of the times that people make the worst food choices is when they're tired. I know that for a fact. If I come home from the comedy club and it's like 1 o'clock in the morning and I'm hungry, I fucking eat everything that's there. I eat everything. I'll eat cookies. I'll eat whatever the fuck I want.

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Because I'm like, I want to eat what I want to eat right now. I'm good most of the time. Tonight we're having spaghetti. I'll cook a pot of spaghetti. But tired is one, but it's like, what are you doing to mitigate this and have you changed your mindset? And if you haven't, if you're kind of dabbling in losing the weight, how long is it going to take? It might take a long ass time.

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People like that just make you feel like such a dummy.

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You might not ever lose it. You have to like get into calorie deficit. Calorie deficit is hard. So here's the thing though. You can't starve yourself because some people do it the wrong way. They go too extreme and they fucking starve themselves, which is fucking dangerous. It's dangerous. It's dangerous for your heart. It's dangerous for your mind. It's dangerous for your body.

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Your body starts to eat itself. There's a process. What is it called? Autosis? What is it called? I forget what the process is called, where your body starts eating its own tissue to stay alive. And that's what people are doing when they're on Ozempic, unfortunately. And this is the thing where people that are just a little overweight that get on it disturb the shit out of me. Like, you lazy fuck.

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Just go to the goddamn gym. You lazy fuck. You're 10 pounds overweight and you're going to get on Ozempic? That's so crazy.

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Wait, go back to that again. A body breaks down its own tissues to survive. It's called autophagy. I never heard that word before. Marasmus or muscle atrophy can happen when your body is deprived of nutrients or oxygen or when cells are damaged.

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It's bizarre when you see like young teenagers that are in college already because they've gone through their entire high school course. By the time they're 14, 15 years old.

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I wonder if people that are colorblind make better food choices.

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It's kind of interesting, right? That's kind of cool. But some things that are brightly colored are really good for you, you know, like peppers.

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Like bell peppers, you know, like pretty bright red and they're pretty.

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Apples. Sure. Oranges.

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Sure, that's to warn you from... Exactly.

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Now 16, they're in college.

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Please do.

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Isn't that cool? You know what's interesting too? You just brought up brands. Like brands are interesting. It's really fascinating how brands have status attached to them and people are so attached to acquiring these brands that they'll have fake ones. Of course. And the fake bag thing to me is the nuttiest one because – It's just a bag. It's not a fake Ferrari.

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If you buy a fake Ferrari, you're going to notice the moment you start driving, oh, this thing's a piece of shit. It's not going to handle well. It's going to sound terrible. It won't be fast. A real Ferrari, it's like what you're buying, you're paying for the engineering of this magnificent piece of technology.

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They're doing that too. But rich people aren't stupid. The reason why Ferraris are so expensive and they sell so many of them is because you buy them and you go, holy shit, it's worth it. The reason why it developed this brand status is because they win races. That's why. Lewis Hamilton drives for Ferrari. That's why they sell Ferraris because Ferraris are the shit. By the way.

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Because they downplay it. They get like a regular Porsche 911, not even the turbo.

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God, that's the dumbest flex, isn't it? Yeah. Especially the modern art flex. I can't stand that shit. I used to go to LACMA, the LA Modern Art Museum, and I would get angry. Like, angry. I've done the same thing. Just furious. Because you're feeling that they're cheating you from the experience of seeing real art. This is not art.

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One of them is literally a plexiglass box that's sitting on the ground. I'm like, you dumb motherfuckers. You dumb motherfuckers. Meanwhile, if you go on Instagram, you'll find amazing art. There's so many artists out there, like legitimate, incredible artists. Like, what you're doing is bullshit. Like, one of them was a video of people playing catch. That was their art. Like, fuck you.

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That is true, but also when you have an extraordinary mind, you want to give that extraordinary mind fuel. You have someone who caught lightning in a bottle, and you want to help that. I mean, maybe there's a way to do it where the parents come with the kid to school or something like that. Right.

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This was the art was nails on a piece of wood. Do you think that when she does that,

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I would have to talk to her. I don't know.

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The way she separated John Lennon from the Beatles, the way, you know, like everybody, like if you're in a band and one of the band members has a girlfriend, the girlfriend now gets involved in the band and starts talking about like, you know, you need to treat him better. Yeah. That's Yoko Ono. Everybody calls her Yoko Ono.

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That's a standard thing that people do because they think that Yoko Ono was a wedge that drove. So a person who can do that with an intelligent guy like John Lennon. John Lennon was very smart. Very smart guy. So a person who could serve and he wanted to spend all of his time with her, that's probably a master persuader.

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That's probably someone who's really good at playing you, really good at pulling your strings.

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Did you ever see when she appeared with John Lennon and they played on television with Chuck Berry?

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And she starts singing into the microphone and Chuck Berry freaks out? Because she sucks. She's screaming. She just starts screaming into the microphone while they're playing. They're playing Johnny B. Goode. Oh, my God. You never saw it? No. The best version of it is Bill Burr because Bill Burr talks over it. He explains what's happening in his inimitable Bill Burr way.

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He's just getting angry watching Yoko Ono just scream like a banshee. And you see the look on their faces when they're looking. It's one of those things where if you see it, you can't believe it's real.

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I did not know.

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Sugar Ray Leonard versus Roberto Duran.

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Somewhere in the 80s, right? Because he won a gold medal in the 76 Olympics. And by then, he was a world champion. Yeah. Somewhere in the 80s.

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I have never really met Sugar Ray. I saw him at a UFC. I did meet Roberto Duran, though.

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Jake Paul? I'm happy they made money. I'll leave it at that. That's what I think. Yeah, okay. I think it looked like sparring to me. Yeah. It looked like sparring. It didn't look like anybody was trying to hurt anybody, really. Okay. Yeah, which is good. You know, whatever. Draw your own conclusions. I have no facts.

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I paid for it. Yes, I love Tyson. I met Jake Paul, too. He's a cool guy. I'm happy they made money. I paid for it. I don't care. Right. Yeah. I was hoping it was going to be a real fight, but I was like, okay, I see what's going on.

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Like if you and I sparred, we could put on the gloves and we'd go back into the gym and we could spar and it would look almost like we're really fighting.

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I would do it like at your speed. Oh. I would do it at your speed. I'd just bring myself to your speed and just move around with you. That's kind of what it would be.

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Okay. We could do it. It's fun. But... I'm going to suck so badly. No, I won't suck. The thing about doing that with someone who's going to be nice to you is that you can actually learn how to do it because you don't worry about getting hit.

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So the best sparring that I ever got ever was when I learned to spar with people who had the same intentions as me, just getting better and not trying to kill each other. So my early days of sparring when I was a young man, I was

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trained at a very hard gym and we in kickboxing we try to kill each other and so there was wars in the gym essentially every day you're fighting whenever you sparred you were essentially fighting you weren't pulling punches you were hitting each other as hard as you could it's a really dumb way to do it but that's how you make a tough guy right like that's the idea back then

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Now, I think people are much more concerned with CTE, brain damage, the longevity of a fighter's career, that they would have people fight smart. And so the thing is like training partners, especially in jiu-jitsu, you learn to really value your training partners because your training partners help you get better and you have to trust them.

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Like if somebody gets me in a heel hook, I have to trust them that they're not just going to rip my knee apart and they're going to let me tap. They got me. Give me a second. Let me tap. Where I know I can't get out, let me tap. Don't rip it apart and then let go as soon as the person taps.

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This is like a, if you don't do that in jujitsu, you won't have people to train with you and you'll get kicked out of schools. And people have been kicked out of schools because they don't let go of taps. They don't let go of submissions. So like you develop this understanding that you both could get hurt really easily. I trust you.

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I know you're going to go hard and I'm going to go hard, but I know that we're going to be safe with each other. We're not going to do anything to each other that we know is going to hurt each other. Right. So this is what you do in kickboxing too, but you have to trust that the person is gonna do this. They're not gonna hit you hard.

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Like a body's gonna hit me in the body, he's gonna hit me in the body like this, where we're both okay. We know he could have really hurt me, but he just touched me. So he's getting his timing, he's getting his movement, and we're both moving fast, but we're both really good, so we have the ability to control. So instead of blasting through someone and punching them, you punch them like that.

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You literally punch him like that. You're withholding. Yeah, 100%. You're not even going 50%. Right. You're just touching. You know, you're going fast. And occasionally, unfortunately, sometimes you hit someone harder than you mean to because they move into something or you both hit each other at the same time. It's occasionally. But you mitigate a whole lot of impact.

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And then you also develop your timing better because you're not worried about getting hit. So the best way to learn boxing is, first of all, before you – do any kind of sparring is learn technique. Technique is everything. It's everything. Mechanics are everything.

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Learning, getting it ingrained in your body's system where you know that if you're going to throw a punch, you're going to lean your body into it. You're going to keep your hand up. When you throw a right hand, you're going to do this. When you throw the left hook, you're going to cover up with your right hand. You learn these things so they're ingrained in your movement patterns.

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And then you do them on pads and the pad holder will like throw things at you so that you cover up and you learn distance and you learn to pull away and counter and you learn all these things. And then slowly you start incorporating moving targets. You start incorporating a person. And the best way to do that is not get two people try to kill each other because that's what we used to do.

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You don't learn anything. The best way to do it is have someone gently move around with you. And they're like, hands up, hands up. And you move around. And you go through a whole round where you're not even allowed to punch. Just do defense. And I suspect. I just want you covering. I just want you moving good. I want head movement. I want you to be an elusive target.

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And when punches come at you, I want you to be able to move away.

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Yeah, I mean, there's a whole bunch of workouts you could just do online. You could find online on YouTube. There's hundreds of different people that put out free workouts. And, you know, you could do them with two 10-pound dumbbells.

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And, you know, they'll take you through all this different stuff, like pistol squats, do this, do that, you know, overhead press, do this, do that. And then they'll work you through the reps. And all you have to do is follow along.

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Right.

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There you go. Oh, yeah. That's crazy.

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Well, that makes sense that he would be so agile and mobile because he's doing all these different things. Look at his body. You can't just do squats. If you want to be an amazing athlete, you have to do a bunch of different things. Oh, this is cool. Oh, a lot of explosions left and right.

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Wow. That's crazy. Hopping back and forth on ball to ball with balance on one leg.

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It does make sense, though, that you need to develop all this stuff. Look at that.

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Crazy. He's got to stick with the right ball standing on one foot. I bet he has insane balance. Look at those legs. That balance is insane. That thing is so hard to stand on anyway, especially with one leg.

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Yeah, but it's still two. Well, 99% of Americans.

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Yeah, I've seen people do similar types of workouts, but that's very impressive. Yeah, yeah. That kind of, I mean, it just makes sense that if you want to separate yourself from everybody else, like what do you need to do to separate yourself? Like elite balance.

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There's this guy, Armand Saroukian, who was supposed to be fighting Islam Makachev for the world lightweight UFC title, but he hurt his back literally like the day before the weigh-ins. It's probably because of the severe weight cut. He cuts a lot of weight. He's very muscular. But one of the things that this guy does that's really extraordinary, they put out his workout.

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He does these incredible mobility exercises. Like he's insanely flexible. He's like jacked, like super muscular, but like ridiculously mobile and pliable. Wow. And he's doing, see if you can find his workout routine. He does all these crazy exercises where they're like twisting him in weird positions. And it's very unusual for a guy that's that strong to be that agile and mobile.

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Yeah, but that's just because I started when I was a really young kid. I started in martial arts, and I was stretching from the time I was developing.

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No, that's all horse shit. See if you can find it. He does a lot of this stuff. Look at these twisting motions. He does a lot of weird mobility stuff, like hip mobility. Look at all this. Wow. So he's pulling on a cable machine. Look how flexible he is. Wow. It's nuts. And this is like a core part of his training that is very different than a lot of other people's training.

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His ability to stand on his head like that and move his whole body around in a circle. What the hell? Incredibly agile.

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No, this is super unusual. I mean, there's some wrestlers that do this kind of stuff is pretty common. I do these. But it's a core part of his training, his physicality. This is him with Hamzat Shmaev, who's one of the top middleweight contenders, one of the absolute best fighters in the world. And he's giving him a run for it. Wow. They're really good.

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I mean, watching him roll, like Hamzat rolls through everybody and he's having a hard time controlling this guy. And this guy fights two weight classes below him. That's how good he is. The blue guy is the smaller guy. The blue guy is much smaller. So Hamzat, he's a 185-pound guy. And at one point he fought at 170, but he was cutting a shitload of weight.

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But even at 185, he's next in line for the title. And this kid's fighting at 155. So he's quite a bit smaller and still giving him, you know, he's not allowing Hamzat to run him over, which is very impressive. Wow.

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I mean, I know they've pushed for it. It should be. You know, I know there's combat sports, obviously, in the Olympics, boxing and judo in particular, and taekwondo now as well.

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That one was amazing. Do you think that was a troll or was real? I think that was hubris. I think that was a person who didn't think they were going to get scrutinized, who used their position of influence to acquire a PhD in this stuff she has. But also, there's like legit break dancers in Australia. Google Australian break dancers. There's people that are legit. I love break dancing.

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I love watching it. It's so impressive. Like the locking and all that stuff? No, the physicality. Physical moves, when they do a flip and land on one leg and then flip back the other way. There's a couple of guys, Richie and Gio Martinez, that are black belts under 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, and they started out their career as breakdancing.

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And they were so hard to hold on to, and they were so mobile and so agile that Eddie started incorporating breakdancing into his training, like learning breakdance techniques. Because it's basically kind of gymnastics. Right. And a lot of these guys, they can stand on one arm and spin around in a circle with their feet in like a lotus position. Like it's bananas.

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Yeah, Capoeira. But Capoeira was like a dance that the slaves had created that they were disguising a martial art in a dance. Allegedly. I'm not an expert in capoeira, but a lot of the capoeira moves, they dance, but they're dancing into wheel kicks. They're dancing into tornado kicks. These are weapons. They're techniques, but you could pretend that it's just a dance.

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I might be wrong about that. I don't think I am. I think that's one of the things that they did was they hid it. They hid their martial art and dance.

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Let's see a photo of Frederick Douglass.

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And also imagine to be an intellectual and a black man in that day and age.

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Connection, literacy, and freedom. Not allowed to attend school.

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He taught himself to read and write in the streets of Baltimore. At 12, he bought a book.

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Do you know who Rick Ross is?

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Not the rapper. Freeway Ricky Ross. No. Rick Ross was a cocaine dealer in the 1980s that didn't know at the time, but he was a part of the whole Oliver North thing where they were selling cocaine in the L.A. streets, and they were using the money to fund a conscious— Oliver North, the colonel.

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All y'all. That's all I got. Yeah, don't use any of those. No? No. Why? Too cliche? They're going to know you're faking it. They're going to know I'm faking it because I'm not tall enough to be a Texan. Oh, there's some short Texans. Fitness isn't just about what you do in the gym. It's also about your nutrition.

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You know, the United States, this is like pretty established. They sold cocaine in the L.A. ghettos to fund the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. And this guy was the guy who was funneling all the cocaine through. He was making millions of dollars, couldn't read, goes to jail, goes to jail for selling cocaine for the government, and

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In jail, learns how to read and then becomes a lawyer and then retries his own case and gets out because they tried him on the three strikes rule. This is how they convicted him, on three strikes. But it was three strikes from one incident. It's supposed to be three strikes. Separate things. Exactly. Okay. And so he got out. So he's out now. Wow. Yeah. He's been on my podcast a few times.

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Learned to read in jail. Yeah. Amazing. Could not read.

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I do read occasionally, but like 90% of them I listen to.

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The tactile thing is great, but for me it's a time thing. I can get listening in when I'm in my car and when I'm in the sauna.

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But the kids today, they're not 12-year-olds when I was a 12-year-old. These kids have a far more advanced understanding of the world for good or for bad. I mean, I don't know if it's good or bad because, I mean, I think our childhood, we were more exposed to things than our parents were. I don't necessarily think that's bad. So why would I think it's bad for kids today?

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It's hard to say because it's kind of the only way I'm accessing information these days, but I retain a lot of it. It always depends on whether or not I'm excited about the information. Always. If I'm very excited about it, I retain most of it.

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If I'm just like forcing myself to pay attention and then my mind drifts off into something else and then comes back and like that's a little bit of a problem. Like if things become, like lately I have been listening to a lot of UFO stuff. A lot of UFO abduction stories, a lot of UFO, I'm going through Jacques Vallée's stuff because he's coming on the podcast again.

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And so I've been going through all of his books. He's got several books. And he's got a very nuanced perspective on this whole UFO thing that is – I didn't know and I wish I knew the first time I had him on. Because the first time I had him on, I knew that he was the guy who was – he inspired the French scientist in the Steven Spielberg movie, Closing Counters of the Third Kind. Okay.

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Did you see that movie?

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So there's a French scientist in that film that is coordinating all these people that are trying to contact this UFO and they're working this out, like how to do it. It's based on Jacques Vallée. And Jacques Vallée has been involved in the research of these experiences that people had had or allegedly had with being abducted, with sightings, with crash sites, and all these different things.

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He's been involved with it for a long time.

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I... The more time goes on, the more I think it's way weirder than we think. I don't dismiss the idea that something from another planet can come here and visit us. I have a feeling it's weirder. I have a feeling there may be that and then also other things. I have a feeling it's way more complicated. I have a feeling it's like life. Like if you told me that if you go to Earth, you can find life.

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Okay, well, what kind of life are you talking about? Are you talking about like fish? Are you talking about raptors? Are you talking about dogs? Like what kind of life? There's so much life. There's so much different life. I have a feeling that alien contact, intelligent beings from somewhere other than here is like that.

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I think it's probably more complex than we can imagine and probably there's an interdimensional aspect to it. There's probably a non-physical aspect to it that seems physical too. There's probably an area of this phenomenon that plays on human consciousness and dreams and our interactions with the unknown. Because I think there's more to life than we can perceive.

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I think there's more to the existence. this conscious existence in this moment in the universe. There's more to it than we're picking up on. I think we have limited senses. And I think that this is what things like the telepathy tapes and all these different people that are studying paranormal phenomenon. I think that's what this stuff is all about.

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I think it's part of an emerging aspect of human consciousness that we're developing stronger and stronger senses in regards to things that aren't they're not something that you can just put on a scale. They're not something that you can take a rule or two. They're not something that you can quantify, but they probably exist. And I don't know if you've listened to the telepathy tapes.

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Don't know about the 1980 the most famous cases like Betty and Barney Hill and they were in the 1950s That's and then the other one is Travis Walton. He's this guy right here. Oh They made a movie out of it called fire in the sky

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What's it called?

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It might be.

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I mean, I don't know what to think of those things. I read John Mack's book. John Mack was a... a psychiatrist at Harvard, or a psychologist, I forget which one. He wrote a book called Abduction that was all about hypnotic regression therapy that he did with all these different people that had these abduction experiences. And they were all really similar, like eerily similar.

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They didn't know about it. They were ashamed of these stories. They didn't want to tell other people. They were telling them to their shrink, but they weren't telling them to other people. It's a weird thing, man. But here's the thing. They all come back. No one gets abducted and gets kidnapped. What's going on? Are you really leaving, or is this in your mind? In your mind, did you leave?

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Like what happened to your body? If I had a camera in your room, were you in that bed the whole time? Is this experience all happening inside your mind? And is it still real? Like just because some things – I think there's dimensions that we don't have access to that exist around us.

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And these guys that pretend to understand quantum theory and all that stuff, when they start talking to you about it and talking about multiple dimensions, it leaves room for the possibility of these things.

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Okay, I'll try to have him on.

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I'm fascinated by quantum computing. Marc Andreessen was explaining the experiments that they've done. Yeah. they did a calculation that if you turn the entire universe into a computer every molecule every atom of the universe was a computer it would take so much time to solve this equation that the universe would die of heat death first

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Yeah, it's bananas. Like what is happening? And he said it's proof of the multiverse because somehow or another this computer is contacting other quantum computers in an infinite number of universes and using all the computing power and solving it instantaneously.

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Well, it kind of is the only theory, at least as it's been explained to me.

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It's so bizarre. Just what's measurable about it is so bizarre. Like articles in superposition, so they're moving and they're still at the same time. What? They're quantumly entangled photons. What are you talking? What does this even mean?

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That's the computer that beat Garry Kasparov at chess.

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If you don't have a southern accent and you're throwing y'alls around, people are like, get out of here with that. It's just a weird one. And not that the accent here is so dense. Like the Texas accent is probably much stronger in the rural areas.

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What would be a characteristic that you would take into consideration?

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Okay.

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or in small cities and stuff like that. Austin is pretty mixed with a bunch of people from all over the place. So I think even the general Texas accent here is fairly muted. Do you agree with that, Jamie? Does that make sense?

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Is this based on odds? So because you have 12 coins? Yeah. I could say 12 because you might fuck it up until the end. Right. No, but then I asked you for the minimal number of wings. Well, you get lucky on the first two, and the second one could be heavier, and then you do the third one. The third one's lighter, and you go, okay, so it's the heavier one.

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So it's not as simple as just weighing them. There's other things.

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So you have to do it in three steps.

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Wouldn't you just do six and six then?

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Right, but it's not a Texas accent. Like, you hear in other parts of the state. There's other parts of the state you talk to people. Like, that's a motherfucking Texas accent. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's a very specific way that they talk that's pretty cool. But it's very distinct, you know? It makes you know where you're at. Like New Yorkers.

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So you do four and four. If you got lucky, you could catch it on the second one.

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But you wouldn't know then because you wouldn't know if it was heavier or lighter.

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You're going to leave me in suspense?

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The middle has to be a 1.

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Like, if you're in New York and you go to an Italian deli and you're talking to this fucking guy and he's making you a sandwich, you know, like my friend Giovanni. It's fun. It's like they're talking the way they talk. It's a very specific way of talking. It's cool.

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Do you understand this quantum computing, this multiverse explanation?

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It seems so strange, and there's no real applications for it yet, which is even stranger, is that they have this computing power, but they're not using it to do things.

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What I was getting at was we don't have an application for it where it's being used and it's eventually going to be. What I was getting at is that we're looking at this astounding computational ability that's baffling. And what happens when that gets applied to something? This is what my point was.

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My point is always what happens when that gets applied to sentient AI, when it gets applied to some large language model that's untethered. That's where it's really crazy because the computing power – One of the big problems with artificial intelligence is the incredible need for power, right?

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This is why these – like Google is doing this AI thing where they want to develop three nuclear power plants to power their AI. Yeah, crazy. Like this is nuts. So like what happens when this insane thing that we have developed called artificial intelligence meets this other insane thing that we have developed called quantum computing? Yeah.

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Yes, you did.

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Yeah, well, it's going to have applications is the point. Right now, it's this insane technology that is so above and beyond anything that's even imaginable. If you just said that to someone 20 years ago, you're going to have a computer that if you took the whole universe and turned it into a computer, it would die of heat death before this thing could figure it out.

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And this thing could do it in a couple of minutes. You would go, what? What are you even saying? You go, what does the world look like when this thing becomes real? The world looks like we're in some sort of Terminator movie. We're in some sort of space movie, Star Trek type deal. It's not going to be like a normal world, but it is a normal world.

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But now they think you're lying because now you're a flip-flopper.

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There's a lot going on. And what's bizarre is that China is dumping insane amounts of money. I think... I think the estimation in the American dollar is a quarter of a trillion dollars into their AI program. Their AI program also allegedly involves a little bit of espionage. So it involves a little bit of stealing some of the data from OpenAI and some of these other places.

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And one of the things that does happen, of course, with these sort of enormous technology breakthroughs is that you're going to have certain foreign governments that are trying to infiltrate these research centers. They're trying to get access to this information.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7510.817

And the speculation is that they have done that and that they are more advanced because of it than we are even aware of and that they're dumping untold amounts of resources sort of unchecked. The response to this is probably what the government just recently announced, what the Trump administration- Oh, the 500 billion thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

753.195

Flip-flopper is a weird one to me. Because it's like, wait a minute, what do you do when you encounter new information? Don't you change your mind? Like this idea that someone who's running for office, especially, right? It's always like presidential candidates and Senate candidates.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7530.689

This is probably in response to that. Okay. That there's an AI arms race that's going on right now. And whoever gets to the front of the line first is going to be in an insane position of power.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7547.338

Probably more consequential because essentially when you're dealing with quantum computing and AI and you put the two of those together, which they haven't done yet, but once they do, what is that? That sounds like a god. It does. It sounds like something that can do things that doesn't even make sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7562.454

It's going to have the kind of understanding of the universe that we would only dream of right now. Right. And it's probably a week away. or a month away or a year away or whatever it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7624.209

It's bananas. The auto driving feature is nuts. It stops at red lights. It turns left and right. It changes lanes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7643.814

It's mind-blowing, yeah. And what is that compared to what it's going to be?

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#2263 - Gad Saad

7649.616

I bought my first one, I guess, seven years ago, something like that. And I made a video of me driving on Sunset Boulevard without my hands. I had my hands over the steering wheel while Led Zeppelin was playing. I was like, this is so crazy. It was driving down the street.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7669.402

Oh, yeah. Much, much, much, much, much better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7677.965

Now it changes lanes to avoid obstructions. It puts its blinker on and makes turns. It stops at red lights and stop signs. It just does everything. It drives like a person. I mean, it still feels weird. I don't like to let it drive. I like to drive. I like driving. It's fun. And it's a fun car to drive because it's so preposterous. It moves like a time machine. It just goes places.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

768.553

Which is so crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7702.355

It doesn't make any noise. It's real weird. So I like driving. But the auto driving feature that exists now is just the beginning. It's going to get to the point where it's going to be stupid to let people drive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7822.62

Yeah, I think that's definitely a factor. Also, you wonder if the car is paying attention to things that you can see but it can't see, right? So what I like to look at when I'm driving, one of the reasons why I like driving my truck, I have a Raptor and it's above the rest of the traffic. So I could see people doing stupid things way up ahead. So I could see someone slamming on their brakes.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

7844.804

And I know all these other people are going to have to slam on their brakes too because somebody just cut in front of that guy and stopped dead. I can change lanes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7851.446

The car is not going to know that. It's not going to see that. It's not going to be paying attention.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7855.947

Right. Well, it's not paying attention to anything other than the car in front of it or the car to the right and to the left. It's not looking at cars like way down the road. I'm looking at things like hundreds of yards ahead of me.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

7869.35

It might not be able to see it. It's not going to see it like I see it. It would have to have sensors up where my eyeballs are. And especially, I'll move to the left lane a little bit to see what's going on over there, and I'll move back. I'll move slightly to the left so that I can see past this line. when you're taking into account other people's stupidity.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7889.318

The thing is, once we get to a point where automated cars are ubiquitous, then the argument for self-driving, or driving yourself rather, is gonna be kind of shitty. Because it's gonna be so much better than driving. It's so much safer. You're not gonna worry about ever being distracted by your phone.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

7908.506

You're not gonna ever worry about dropping your drink in your lap and changing lanes and colliding with someone. You're not going to think about all those things because the car is going to be doing everything. And as good as it is now, it's way better than it used to be and it's going to be way better in a few years from now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7923.474

It's like I do love driving though. I love the pleasure of driving a car. It's not that I want to be in control. I enjoy it. It's like a ride. When I was a little kid, I remember thinking, boy, one day I'm going to be able to drive a car. That's like going to Disneyland every day. Because Disneyland, you're on a ride.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7940.966

Some of these little race car rides in Disneyland, they're silly compared to a car. So you're on a ride.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

7994.455

Well, now they have ones that judge the speed based on the distance between the car in front of you and you can change it. So it's like radar, laser. I think it uses laser. So the laser determines how far ahead of you the car is and slows down so that you have an appropriate amount of stopping distance.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8025.484

I think once we get really good at automating cars, why wouldn't you have automated flying vehicles? The real concern with flying vehicles is people getting into accidents in the sky and falling onto people's houses, which would happen. I mean, think about how street takeovers where people drive like assholes in the street. Imagine that happening in the sky. You're walking your dog and you're dead.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8046.351

Yeah, you're walking a dog and boom, a car falls on you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8054.539

No, automation. Automation changes all that. So with automation, you have a 3D perspective of everything around it. Everything around it has a 3D perspective of everything around it. And they're all moving in sync. So they all share information. You're going to know where one is at every time, but you're not going to be in control. You can't just dive bomb onto your ex-girlfriend's house. Right.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8076.076

You know, fuck you, bitch. I'm going to die. You know, it's like the worry about humans is human error or, you know, doing it on purpose, which is an error.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8093.529

You do, but it's going to be coded by AI.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8096.472

That's true. People that are coding right now will tell you, don't go to school for coding. Because it's a great thing to learn. So learn to code is now obsolete. Yeah, isn't that funny? Like learn to code. What was the learn to code thing that would get you in trouble? Because someone had said it in regards to people losing menial jobs.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8119.463

You don't have to learn to code, which is a crazy thing to say. But it became a thing where it would get you kicked off of Twitter. That's how suppressive – people don't understand how suppressive Twitter was. You would get in trouble for writing learn to code. Like you couldn't mock people by saying that ridiculous thing that someone had said about coal miners.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8152.184

Listen, no. No? I'm not going to get credit?

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8156.307

I never let it go. Because I got banned from Twitter. Yeah, but everybody did. Retards in quiet circles has always existed. It's like a smoldering ember that reignited to a flame.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8193.406

I don't give you any credit. It's been going around. It's never died in comedian circles. We've kept it alive forever. It's just too good of a word. And also it doesn't have anything to do with Down syndrome. It has to do with a specific way of thinking.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8207.51

and just because some people you know oh you're an ableist that's not what it's about I would never use that term if I was talking about someone who had down syndrome that's not how you use it you use it when you're talking about someone who thinks the world is flat right you're an extreme idiot instead of saying extreme idiot yeah there's a time and a place for certain words that's why they exist you don't eliminate words and make the world a better place are there any words that you've never used and I've got one go

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8256.161

In England, it's mate. Yeah. In Australia, he's a good cunt. Exactly.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8261.543

I get it. Do you feel it? Do you see my reflex? There's a lot of power in that word. But the less you use it, the more power it has. It's like the old Lenny Bruce bit. Yeah, I think that is going to be a thing of the past too. I think technology is going to bring us to a point where we're going to be able to telepathically exchange ideas and it's going to be thought-based.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8284.346

It's not going to be based on language. And the problem with language, of course, you have objectable words, words that are used out of context, words that you see in print. You're lacking the sarcastic tone that the person said it in. So you read it, you could reinterpret it as being a serious statement.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8301.997

There's a lot of weird stuff with language because what we're really trying to do is communicate. It's a crude form of communication that only exists because telepathy is not good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8318.858

Yeah, yeah, I think so.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8325.361

Well, I think initially it would be technology, but what I think is it's an emerging aspect of human consciousness anyway. I think we're getting better at it. I think that, ironically, the thing that keeps us from it is technology. Because what is the worst way to communicate with someone where you're not exactly sure what they're saying is text. Right.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8344.552

Like people misinterpret things in text messages all the time. Where one person is joking and the other person takes them seriously. Or one person doesn't understand that this person doesn't know about something else and they wrote something.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8391.265

Got it.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

840.747

Well, if you pay attention to X, you will see you are up Schitt's Creek. Especially liberal people on X, like super hyper liberal people that are unwilling to look at any positive aspects of any sort of Republican ideas or policies. It's like that's what they're doing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8452.006

So I think the analogy would be like this is the first grunts that ancient man developed to recognize particular things and to point out things before they developed a written language that was eloquent like Thomas Jefferson.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8525.468

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8578.564

Right, so they're over-exaggerating the capabilities. This is a problem when Luddites sort of interpret what science is capable of and then try it based on that.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8591.07

Do you know the story of, I think it was in India, there was a woman who was convicted of murder because through fMRI, functional magnetic resonance imagery, she had a functional memory of the crime somehow or another.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8608.257

And the problem with, I talked to neuroscientists about that and they said the problem is she could have had that memory based on the evidence that was given to her when she was being tried. You would imagine that that would have a profound effect. If someone told you that you're being tried for murder and they showed you photos of the crime scene,

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8623.945

you might develop a functional memory of this crime scene. We're trying to think, like, who the fuck did this? Why am I being blamed? And we don't really have the capability of it. Another one is there was these Italian scientists that were actually tried and convicted. because they were liable of not telling people about an earthquake that took place.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8645.55

Because the people that were trying them did not understand that the science involved in predicting earthquakes is not exact. It's not like, I know an earthquake is going to happen Tuesday at noon, or I know an earthquake is definitely even going to happen. You don't know. And because the fact that these people who didn't understand the science were trying them

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#2263 - Gad Saad

865.819

Oh, yeah. Yeah, a lot of people have. But it's like they had to see, you know, four years of an awful administration to go, oh, okay, wait a minute. I think these people are bullshitting me. I think these people are fully incompetent. I don't think that guy's really the president. I think there's like a bunch of financial institutions and deep state operatives that are involved in this whole thing.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8666.624

They wanted to pretend that these people were responsible for not alerting all these. And I think they tried them for manslaughter. And they were convicted. And I think they won on appeal.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8678.995

It's a crazy story because actual people who are geologists are like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, seven-year legal saga ends as Italian officials cleared of manslaughter in earthquake trial. Verdict files conviction of deputy for advice given ahead of L'Aquila earthquake. Wow. Yeah, crazy. Incredible.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8698.11

Crazy, because you have a bunch of assholes that say, you should have known, we're going to take you to court. And like, hey, you fucking idiot, you don't even know how this technology works.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8716

Unbelievably unreliable.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8755.115

Oh, well, yeah. I mean, I've worked with Josh Dubin multiple times on the show to help people get out of jail.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8762.058

He was with the Innocence Project, and now he does this thing with Ike Perlmutter, and he's very involved in helping these people that have, and there's a lot of them that are in jail, either through eyewitness testimony or corrupt prosecutors or, you know, evidence was withheld or, you know, there's a ton of those cases.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8788.508

No.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8790.049

No.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8791.33

Because it's bad vibes.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8793.952

I don't need that in my life. I'm aware of it enough. I mean, I've paid attention to enough of them. I've read enough books. I've read enough books on serial killers. I get it.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8866.57

We talked about this the other day, too, that I think there's something going on as well, that people that lie all the time, they don't recognize that people can tell that they're lying because they're not good at reading lying because they lie all the time.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

887.93

Like, and that's... Did you see that interview with Mike Johnson when he was talking about conversations that he had with Biden about liquid natural gas?

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#2263 - Gad Saad

8879.703

So they're not good at reading people because they live in this bullshit world of blinders where they're just trying to be charismatic and push forth some fake story. I watched this one where this woman hired an undercover police officer to kill her husband.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8896.779

And she goes into histrionics.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8899.16

And they all know that she did it. They're all aware. Ma'am, your husband was. Oh, I can't believe it. And she hugs the officer. It's like, wow, this is crazy to watch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8912.213

Oh, my God. It's probably hilarious. You're like this crazy bitch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

8916.698

Especially, fortunately, if you're dealing with a murder that didn't actually take place.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

898.796

And that Biden had signed an executive order and it limited liquid natural gas.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

90.606

Yeah, it is an issue. Yeah, that most certainly is a problem. But I don't know if it's worse or better. Do you know what I'm saying? I would rather have the loss of innocence that I had as a 14-year-old than the loss of innocence my parents had. I think they just lived in a more ignorant time. And with knowledge, you're also going to get all the bad stuff. Like I see a lot of assassination videos.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

905.52

And so he couldn't get a meeting with Biden. They wouldn't let him have a meeting. It took a year before he got a meeting. And there was a bunch of people in the room in that meeting. And he wanted to be alone with Biden. But Biden kicked everybody out. So they had to listen. So when Biden kicked everybody out, then he was talking to them.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

9097.385

So anyways, hold on.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

9166.617

That's nuts. That's nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9169.259

That's weird. That's weird. There's certain things that are like, okay, what are we dealing with here? Like, is this a simulation? Like, what is this? Right. Have you seen the thing about the book from 1953 that talks about Elon wanting to go to Mars? Like a Wernher von Braun?

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#2263 - Gad Saad

9187.956

Have you seen this? Where's my phone? I saw you on Twitter. Yeah, Elon tweeted it. You can find it. See, look, there's certain things where you go, come on. Just even the name Elon and Elon's going to take us to Mars.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

920.508

And then he found out that Biden didn't even read these executive orders. He was gone, man. We knew he was gone. I said he was gone in 2020. The presidency ages you faster than radiation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9203.995

So here it is. This is in a Werner Von Braun book. So Elon is the elected leader of the Martian government, serving a five-year term. Elon and their cabinet administrator have laws enacted by two houses of parliament.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

9219.035

Elon in Project Mars, a technical tale, is the name of the Martian leader and the connection between the character and Elon Musk led to speculation about Werner Von Braun's influence on Musk's space exploration. This is a book from, I think it's 1953. Okay, you ready? Is that when he wrote it, Jamie? Hold on. See if you can find the tweet that Elon's tweet, because Elon's tweet is hilarious.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

9242.809

Because like, how is this possible? Because he's like, this doesn't even make sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9265.328

But what are the odds that guy's going to develop rockets? That's true. What are the odds that your little baby boy, who you're naming when he was one day old, is going to develop?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9276.43

1953 book, Mars Project, by Werner Von Braun, says the leader of Mars shall be called Elon. Someone pulled the original German manuscript out of the archives, debunked this myth, only to confirm that Von Braun did indeed predict he'd be called Elon. And Elon writes, how can this be real? It's kind of crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9292.506

It's kind of crazy because the guy is literally obsessed with Mars and has created rockets that you can catch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9305.37

It's amazing what he can do with these rockets. It's nuts, man. We're living in a very, very strange time. What is this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

932.111

Whatever the fuck happens when you're in that, when you have all that information and all that pressure and like the whole world's watching you and then there's fucking chaos everywhere and probably a bunch of terrifying shit that most people don't have information on, but you do. And all of a sudden you have this crazy position. Like you age like crazy. So he was already gone four years ago.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

9322.095

So I got that part. Still, what are the odds? Still, still. What are the odds? There's 8 billion people on this fucking planet. What are the odds that your kid who you named Elon because you read a book becomes the guy? And Elon didn't even know about it?

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#2263 - Gad Saad

9338.737

What about that thing with Barron Trump? Have you heard that crazy thing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9342.679

That's wild. Find that one. That one's nuts, too. That one's completely bizarre. Barron, the young kid. Yeah. What is it? He'll pull it up. I don't want to fuck it up. But there's a few of those that make you want to wear it. Like... is this a simulation? Is this real?

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#2263 - Gad Saad

9381.423

See if you can find what the synopsis is, what connects it to Barron Trump. It seems real weird. It's almost like the telepathy thing. Someone in the past says, I think something's going to happen one day. I just get this feeling. This is Elon, motherfucker. You know what I mean? I think there's some weird things about the potential futures.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

9401.877

And that might be also what we're seeing with this alien stuff. I think this alien stuff might be the future.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9409.162

Oh, a bunch of times. The book was called The Last President. Ad blocker. The Last President. That's kind of crazy because if the shit hits the fan in the alien's land, he is the last president. An 1889 novel called Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey. It was written by Ingle Saul Lockwood. He would go on to write another book called The Last President in 1900.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9433.312

Mystery which involves a Trump family, Nikola Tesla, time travel, and dark forces.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9441.976

So he follows the adventures of a young aristocrat named Baron Trump living in a castle named Castle Trump, which is fucking crazy. The characters describe as intelligent, curious, and somewhat arrogant, guided by his mentor, Don. His mentor, Don. Baron embarks on a fantastical journeys, including one to discover a magical portal in Russia. What? Uh-oh. Putin connections confirmed. Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9470.579

It's like, is this bullshit? Is life bullshit? Is life real?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9476.521

I think life's mostly real. But, you know, this is the problem with the whole idea of simulation theory. is that if it's true, if there is a simulation and the simulation, if we develop technology where the simulation becomes indiscernible from reality itself, how will we know? Maybe we'll know from goofy clues like that, like silly coding, Easter eggs that God leaves behind.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9512.253

Well, the weird one is, why is Wernher von Braun writing fiction when he's a fucking Nazi? A Nazi running NASA, and before that he was writing fiction? How does he have time? How does he have time to write fiction when this guy's in the middle of developing rockets for the Germans?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9527.591

Amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

953.3

So four years of getting cooked by being the president, like that poor guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9543.601

Well, he's just a fascinating human being. Like if we didn't live in a time of Elon Musk and you were studying him in history, you'd be like, Jesus Christ, what was that guy like? That guy must have been insane. This guy's running five different companies simultaneously. Unbelievable. Trying to develop a department of government efficiency at the same time and like...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9563.378

He's a very unique human being that exists once every who knows how many generations, if ever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9588.607

They want to believe, so they say they believe because you can get him on that and he's on the defensive. It's an attack vector. Okay, so you don't think anybody who left- Who thinks he's a fucking Nazi. He literally wears a thing around his neck that says, bring them all home about the hostages.

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#2263 - Gad Saad

9614.756

Yeah. He's, you know, he's a fascinating human being and all fascinating human beings, especially all people that are in incredible positions of power and wealth, which is what he is. You're going to get attacked and you get attacked by a lot of bad faith arguments. And this is one of them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9679.201

Well, I mean, it really helps to have $400 billion. That does help. That helps a lot. But, you know, if he didn't buy Twitter, I think the world would be a far more fucked up place right now. I think we would be far more confused, far less free to express ourselves.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9695.348

And the narrative, the cultural narrative shifted because of people's ability to freely express themselves now on social media in front of everybody where you just didn't have that before.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9726.713

If it didn't happen, you would have a complete cult-like takeover of all public discourse. All public discourse would be controlled by this ridiculous ideology, this woke ideology, what you call a mind virus, and that mind virus would have been used by corporations

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9751.303

And it has been and used by government and it has been used in order to enact more control over its citizens under the guise of protecting marginalized people and protecting ideas. It seems like they're doing the right thing and it seems like opposing that is doing the wrong thing. But it's just a wolf in sheep's clothing. That's all it is. It's just control.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9774.424

It's just the government was – they don't give a fuck about DEI. All they give a fuck about is votes and power and control. And if they can use DEI to get their way and if they can use whatever green energy bullshit they're pushing, whatever they're doing, they're not doing it because they're trying to save you. That's nonsense. If you look at it from the perspective of this is to –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9797.674

gain more power, more influence, and make more money. Then you'll see things more clearly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9831.405

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9908.51

No, I definitely do agree with that. And I think that it's also you have to take into consideration, although Trump won and Trump is controlling the cabinet and all these different people are going to be able to do his agenda, you still have almost half the country that didn't vote for him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9921.323

And people are always tribal, and so they're going to be opposed to everything, even the good things that he's doing. They're going to find fault in it. Did you see the CBS interview with J.D. Vance?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9935.398

Oh, my God. It's a master class. He's so good. He is really good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2263 - Gad Saad

9942.203

Yeah, he's great. Thank God for that guy. He's so good at dismantling those dopey people and just breaking down. She was like, this is a country built on immigrants. He's like, yes. That doesn't mean that 240 years later we have to have the dumbest immigration policy possible. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2195 - Andrew Huberman

10956.906

Front and back.

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So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.

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Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like work, chores, even podcast ads.

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So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.

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I just skipped back. He was just way back there.

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Wooo!

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So you can out-time it.

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It's built into the likes. And then a lot of bots in the comments that agree with it. Yeah. Chime in. Yeah. Can't believe he's doing this. What a narcissist. All that kind of stuff. Yeah.

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And know that governments are utilizing that. It's not just people's opinions. And it's not just groups of people that are trying to convince other people to think the way they think. It's actual governments that are involved in trying to manipulate narratives.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Yeah. That's a big one. It's not. This us versus them shit is nonsense. Most people aren't even left or right. Most people just have a conglomeration of opinions that they've sort of accepted as their own. Yeah.

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Well, I don't know what's going on, and we won't know really until these files actually get released and what's going to be in them. What the fuck are they – what is it going to say? We did it? When is that going to happen? I don't know. Kash Patel's in. Is he going to do it? We'll see. He apparently wants to.

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I mean, I think there's probably a lot of sorting through to figure out what to say and how to say it and what to release. I feel like they should just release it all and let the internet hounds – Go at it. Let them figure it out. They're the best at it anyway. And they're the most psychotic. They'll be working 16 hours a day until they figure it all out.

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You know?

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It's just hijacking the mammal brain.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Well, listen. Here's your book, Behavior Ops. This is a fat book, dude. There's a lot going on in here. It's all indexed and… Is this available everywhere?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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What is the website?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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All right. Well, thank you, man. It was very interesting. Fun conversation. Appreciate it. All right. Bye, everybody.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Okay.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Right, so you're influencing a person to sort of go along with whatever narrative you've already created about them.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Right, but doesn't the person have to sort of respect you first in order to go along with this sort of social change? They have to have some sort of an appreciation of you. You have to be impressive.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Okay.

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But it's not even slight. Like the difference is so glaringly obvious. It's kind of amazing. How did they pre-pick the people that were going to be the test subjects? Like did they have any specific things they were looking for? Because I think there's a lot of people that even if you got 13 people to say A, they would go, what are you guys talking about? It's C.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Who's that guy? Make blue jeans out of that? Huh. I wonder what it tastes like.

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Like, was there anything about them that they picked? Like, were these people preselected for being? No.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Do you ever think about yourself in that room?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Well, I think it kind of depends on your station in life. Yeah. You know, where you're at. When I was young, I might have just said A because everybody was saying A. Yeah. You know, because I didn't want to be an idiot.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Yeah, RFK Jr. told me about it.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Well, especially with social media, right? Because obviously it would be something that's a little bit more complex than the size of a line, but you're so easily manipulated because it's not really just people that are responding. It's a lot of bots.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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And you're seeing that more and more lately. Yeah. I was watching this video today and somebody pointed out after the video, look how many bots have retweeted this video. And it was astounding. So it's like, oh, there's a narrative that someone's trying to push because of this selectively edited video.

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Like, wow. Well, you're a dragon believer.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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That's just the View ladies. They're crazy. They're the gift that keeps giving. That's that poor lady Joy Bahar.

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Yeah, I said I have to change it now. It's perfect. It's so beautiful. For someone like me, that's a gift.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Well, not only that, but it was after she was talking about The View being a great source of information because they're a part of ABC News. So they check things online. Unlike me who believes in dragons. So it's like, it was so perfect. It's like fucking, did you even watch the video? And then she said she double checked it. Did you double check that? Like, oh yeah, I did. I've checked it.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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That was wonderful. It made my day. I was happy all day that day. I was like, what a great day. It made my day to see you change your Twitter. Well, it's funny when people are so, their approach is so simplistic. It's so obvious to anyone else that it becomes fun. It doesn't work at all. Not only does it not slander you, not only does it not disparage people's opinions of you, it creates fun.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Comedy. Yeah. It creates comedy. It's so ridiculous. But this is the problem, not just with bots and social media influence, but also with echo chambers, right? Echo chambers that people create where they get a bunch of people that only agree with them. And everybody disagrees with them.

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Instead of looking at them, and you see that on that show all the time, instead of looking at someone else's perspective and going, okay, so tell me how you came to this conclusion. Like, why do you think this? And like letting them fully express it. Instead, it's like, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh. Everything is interrupty. Everything is shouty.

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I disagree with everything you have said in the audience. And they're going to stand up for this or for that. Instead of having an actual conversation about opinions and ideas and how you formulate them and how your mind works and how you think about things and why you think about things. Instead of that, it's just ideological battles every day. Exactly.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Yeah, it's tribal. It's super – well, it's a bunch of people that are afraid to be alone and are afraid to be on the outside. And so whatever the group agrees to, they find some sort of mental gymnastics they can apply to these ideas that make them relevant.

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Yeah.

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It also makes them feel like they're a part of a team, which people love. I mean, we are tribal animals. We do not like to be alone, outcast. We like to be a part of a team, which is why you see audience capture. That's a big thing that happens to people online. They find people that agree with them, and then they sort of lean into it. Big time.

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Yeah, a lot of people do. A lot of people, they kind of lose who they are. And people love to accuse everybody of that. It's interesting because everyone's kind of aware of it now that it's a thing, which is good. It keeps people on their toes. But bringing it back to the cults. So they would try to get you to do something and deviate from your normal patterns. Yeah.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Most cults are like sex cults, right? Like pretty much all of them, right?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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There's a few cults that have been started by ladies, right? Very few. Yeah, a few. And then there was that wild, wild country one. Osho is one where the lady ran it and he was kind of like sort of just this very odd eccentric guru and she was an assassin. I didn't know this. Oh, you didn't watch that Netflix documentary? No. Oh, it's fantastic. It's so good.

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Because like all cult documentaries, it starts out like, oh, these people have it nailed. It starts out so good. They're cooking together and laughing and dancing and doing yoga and having a good old time and chanting. And it seems like they're having a wonderful time. But eventually they take over this town. And was it Oregon? Is it Oregon, right? I think so. Somewhere in the Pacific Northwest.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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I believe it's Oregon. So they take over a town and they actually bus in homeless people so that they can pump up their numbers and vote to take over the town. Yeah. Essentially what... Some people were accusing the Biden administration of doing with leaving the borders open for illegals and allowing them to vote. Same sort of deal.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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So they they took over this town and they poisoned a bunch of people. It's like really crazy. It's crazy documentary. And then eventually it falls apart. Isn't that most cults?

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They're having such a good time.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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We've got to get them out. Yeah. Something along those lines. Something crazy. A lot of our sex cults, if they're not sex cults, they're like money cults or power cults or, you know.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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or ideological cults which i think progressivism is i think it's an ideological cult and i think that um people uh they enjoy being around people that are very confident that they're correct yeah when someone like if most of us like don't what is life all about so many questions And if you come across someone who has all the answers and they're so confident about it, it's very attractive. Yeah.

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And so these guys who were recruiting people for cults, were they open with you about this stuff or did you kind of like figure it out by talking to them?

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The cults have NDAs?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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The individuals.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Right.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Oh, I see.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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So what would be an example that someone would use as like novelty to get, like novelty and authority, if you want to get someone to follow you, like what would be novelty that you would apply?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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OK, you're trying to get someone to join a cult.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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OK, so you're just getting them out of their comfort zone, getting them into like, whoa, what's going on?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Have you gone deep on it? Not really. I mean, but explain it to people so they know what you're talking about.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Essentially, they told people that they had to keep shocking people, and then they did it to the point where they thought the person on the other side was actually dead, and they kept shocking.

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Did everybody do it?

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I don't know, but I believe you.

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So that could kill you. 100% at least attempted murder.

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I thought it would be good for you because we're talking about mind fucks. Cheshire Cat's a little bit of a mind fuck. In the simulation. Yeah, for sure. So you were just telling me that you had a brain disease. And what did you do to fix it? What was it, first of all?

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Yeah.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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That makes sense. So in order for someone to truly be confident, they have to take all those steps to make – do you want some coffee? No.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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OK. You want it in the crazy cup or a regular one? I'll take the crazy cup. The crazy cup is a little hard to drink out of. Is it? Yeah.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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No, don't worry about it. So they have to have all those ducks in a row. If they don't, people are going to sense it. They're going to know, even if they exhibit all the behavior characteristics of someone who's confident, there's going to be something off because we have some way, some ancient way of detecting bullshit in ourselves.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Yeah, we know when something's off. Someone's a little full of it. Someone's faking it.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Well, particularly if you have all those bases covered. If you have all those bases covered, I think it makes it far easier to see in other people when they don't.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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So if you're going to teach people how to be confident, essentially you have to teach them how to get their shit together.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Unequivocally. Yeah. Undoubtedly. Yeah. You know, undebatably, like you have to you have to have your shit together. Clearly. Absolutely. Otherwise, you're not going to really be confident. You're always it's always the back of your head. It's always going to be fucking with you. Yeah.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Right. Correct. That's the problem is that there's not really an operating manual for life or for the human mind. And we're dealing with these very complicated systems, complicated systems of work and social life and hobbies and all the different things that people do. It's very, very complicated.

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And a lot of people are just kind of like stumbling through it, learning along the way, hopefully every time they fuck up.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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This is 60s. I think it's Los Angeles. I think it was San Francisco. I think it's Los Angeles because I was at the actual hotel where they did it. They actually filmed Fear Factor there. See, that's true.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it was Los Angeles. And there's also some debate as to whether or not he did it.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Yeah. I don't know enough about it. But I know that there's some people that, you know, obviously there's some people that think that like JFK's driver shot him. There's some like kooky conspiracies.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles shortly after Kennedy had finished. Yeah. That hotel, we filmed Fear Factor there once. That's the only reason why I know. And we were in the kitchen where like it happened in the kitchen. Yeah. We were in the spot. Oh, this is crazy that we could film this stupid fucking show in a place where a presidential candidate got murdered.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Um, I think a lot of stuff filmed in that hotel. I think the hotel had been defunct and a lot of, um, the, there's like abandoned buildings and things in Los Angeles that they use for filming stuff. Okay. Cause there's a big filming industry, like their film films and TV shows and stuff there. If they, it's like a cool environment and it was like spooky rundown old hotel.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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I don't even remember the show, the episode, but I just remember us being in that, that room going. Yeah. Weird feeling. Yeah. So the Sirhan Sirhan thing is like that people believe that's part of MK Ultra, that he was some sort of mind controlled person.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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And so what evidence do we have that Sirhan Sirhan was working with Jolly West?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Wow.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Wow. And you've had RFK on. Uh-huh. So Sirhan Sirhan is meeting with this guy. Who is this guy?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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So the MK Ultra stuff, a lot of it was experimental, right? They didn't necessarily have proof that a lot of what they were trying to do was effective. They knew that they could experiment with LSD on people. That was Operation Midnight Climax where they took over the brothels, which is so wild.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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It's one of those supplements that I take. I'm like, are you sure? Like every time I take it, I'm like, are you fucking sure? Like I drink it in water. I take a little eye dropper and I squirt it in water and I drink it. No, Gary Brekka told me about it. I should correct that. He told me to take it with red light therapy. That's what it was about. Did he tell you why? Why it all works?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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For people that don't know what this is, they took over brothels and they essentially had the prostitutes serve these johns lsd without their knowledge and then they observed them through two-way mirrors and filmed them yeah and filmed how they would act yeah so the cia was running whorehouses i don't even know if they had sex because they probably dosed these guys up with so much acid

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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They probably didn't want to. But they observed them and they did it for years. They also ran the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic, which is wild. And until like I think fairly recently. And there was a lot of hubbub about it after Tom O'Neill's book Chaos came out. And I think it was right after that they closed the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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But the CIA was essentially a part of the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic in the 1960s. And that's where the Manson family came out of.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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They just started experimenting on them.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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I think back then they were trying to find a bunch of different methods of mind control, right? Like there's a very famous video from the 1950s of soldiers in the UK where they dose them up with acid and you see them wandering around the woods laughing and giggling and falling down. Yeah.

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He probably did, but I probably forgot. Why does it work for red light therapy?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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I don't recall it. I probably wasn't paying attention.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Oh, really?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Whoa.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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How much time did that take? I don't know. How big is this thing? It's huge. See if you can find it, Jamie. How big is it? He made it by hand? Yeah. Is he on acid? Had to be. That thing. Wow. It left a permanent mark on Disney. A former Nazi interrogator. Really? Like as if Disney doesn't have enough problems with Walt Disney being linked to anti-Semitism.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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The fact that they actually have a Nazi artist.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Not a chance I'd come up with that. That's crazy.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Well, that's just weird in and of itself that he was working with these people. Like, how was Walt Disney connected to that guy?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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That's not good. That doesn't do a lot to quell the rumors. You know? Yeah. So... I think it was paperclip. So operation paperclip. So these people that are – is there documentation that shows the effectiveness of certain techniques? Like do we have any of their work?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Like the Jolly West, did he publish any things or did he make – like leave behind documents explaining what worked and what didn't work? Yeah, some.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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So these professors and these scientists were working with the CIA while they were developing MKUltra. So they probably thought they were doing it for national security purposes. Yeah. And so they were probably saying, look, North Korea is doing this. Germany is doing it. All these countries are doing this. We need to do this as well.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Did you read Chaos, the Tom O'Neill book? No. It's about the Manson family, how they did it with the Manson family. It's essentially – I mean he lays out a very compelling case for the CIA not only training Manson but supplying him with LSD and then getting him out of jail every time he got caught. And that it was done to change the perception of the anti-war movement.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Like the hippies were peace, love, and psychedelic music, and people were dropping out of society. And instead, the narrative now became, no, they're murderers and psychopaths, and they're going to kill beautiful actresses and people in Hollywood.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. That they took this guy who was a con man and had sort of a proclivity towards, you know, influencing people and being charismatic. And you ever heard his music?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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How weird is it to be essentially a brain expert and get a brain disease?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Yeah, he actually recorded with Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys. And I think Brian Wilson and him, there was like a real problem because his career didn't take off and like he threatened him. It became very like... very problematic, his relationship with Brian Wilson. So you can find the song. You should listen to it a little bit. Can we play this? Does someone own this? How does that work?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, we talked about that. What? I think we did. Yeah. Yeah. But he recorded some songs. And, you know, they're not that bad.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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It's not bad. Yeah, it's decent. It's not bad. It's an okay, shitty song from the 60s. Yeah. It's not something you want to put on your Spotify playlist, but it's not bad.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Yeah. Yeah. It's better than a third of the guys on 6th Street in Austin, Texas. Yeah. It's not bad. I mean, he was a charismatic person, right? And that's what you need to run a cult, and that's what you need to be a good rock star. And a lot of psychedelics. Yeah. And he apparently wouldn't take them.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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He would give them to people and pretend to take them, and then he would use these methods to manipulate them while they were under. So, like, he's sober and he's going through this CIA textbook of how to manipulate and control these people. And then he gets these people like Tex Watson and, you know, Squeaky Fromm and all these fucking psychopaths.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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And he, through this sort of indoctrination and bringing them into the family and, you know, they're staying with him. And then he's committing murders and crimes and he keeps getting out. He gets arrested and they let him out. And the sheriffs that let him out, they all have the same explanation. I was told it was above my pay grade, and they just let him out.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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So the guy's violating parole, and he's getting out, like, multiple times.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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I didn't know this. Yeah, and there's a real compelling case for Jolly West. First of all, there's anecdotal of it. Jolly West visited him in jail, and they think that that's when it all started. Wow. Yeah. And this makes sense because like that's a really successful cult. Like as far as like the historical footprint, you know, like everybody knows about the Manson family. I mean, that worked.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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That scared the shit out of everybody. It was weird. Like, oh, my God, what if your children joined the Manson family? Oh, my God, my kids are vulnerable. What if they want to be peaceful love and flower children and they get wrapped up in the family? And it just sort of changed the tone in society with people.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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And it was also at the same time when they passed that sweeping Schedule I psychedelics act where they made everything illegal. It was all around the same time.

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Yeah. And that's really crazy to think of.

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Okay. What's step one? How do you know when you can get a guy to be a Manchurian candidate? Can you do anybody or do you have to get a vulnerable guy? I don't want to say everything. I think some of this could be misused. Well, I don't know if you know about Grok, but Grok's out there misusing information. All right. Yeah, I'll just put it out there. He can get anything from that.

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Just seize up like Mitch McConnell. Yeah.

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If you asked me to be skeptical, this is my skeptical face.

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I might do that too. I might do that. So you're like – Most of the time, though, I'm like, what? Yeah. It's my what bitch face. What bitch? Yeah.

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Go back to your seat. We should explain what we're talking about. There's comedy hypnotists. And if you don't know and if you haven't seen it, you would think it's bullshit. But I was very fortunate. When I was 21, when I worked in Boston, there was a guy who was really good at it. He was an actual hypnotist. His name was Frank Santos. And he did this show, this comedy hypnotism show.

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I think it was every Monday night at Stitch's Comedy Club. And it was insane. He would have people go on stage. They thought they were having sex with Madonna. They thought they were in a rowboat and the rowboat was going to tip over. They had a dance. And if they... They danced the best. They thought they were going to win a million dollars. And it was weird. It was weird to watch.

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And he could tell when someone was under and someone wasn't under. And it was weird. It was weird to watch because I never believed in that. I was like, well, I guess you have to be a dope dancer. Maybe you just have to be a dope, and that's the kind of people that he picks. He just finds the dumb people. But a lot of the people I talked to afterwards, I was like, what happened?

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And they're like, I don't know. It's just like he's snapping his fingers, and next thing you know, I'm fucking dancing.

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That's definitely real.

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And you think this is because of the medication that they gave you that caused the seizures? I never took it. Oh, okay. So you had seizures, but the medication – why would they give you something that has a side effect of seizures –

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Yeah. We were talking about. So the suggestible. Yeah. Suggestible people. Like, how do you pick someone to be a Manchurian candidate? Can you pick anybody? Yeah. Or does it have to be a person that has like something off about them?

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Yeah.

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More suggestible people are typically happier people. That's interesting. Because they're just blissfully unaware? Yeah.

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Is that really possible to have like a partition in your brain where you keep other memories? Absolutely.

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Of course. It's happening. But I mean like a partition. Like there's something – there's another you in there.

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So if they wanted to do this and create a Manchurian candidate, there has to be like some proof that this is effective, right? So how would they – before they send someone out to do some assassination or something, how would they know that they got this guy on the program?

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And this is just hypnosis that caused them. They're not using any psychedelic drugs or psychotropic medicine.

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Nothing. Yeah.

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Will you then let them be aware of what you did and how you did it and what the pathway is? If I'm helping someone? Yeah. Absolutely.

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No.

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Oh, I didn't know that at all.

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Face off?

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Really? Yeah. He didn't tell me about it. Call himself RJ. He had Roy Jones. Oh, yeah. And then RJ. RJ is when there's real problems. When RJ's out, you've got real problems. Yeah. And when he fought Montel Griffin, you know, he had his first fight with Montel Griffin, and Montel won by disqualification. Do you know that fight? No. No. So something happened.

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Okay. That's the same thing that causes you to get CTE. Yeah, Alzheimer's.

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I think it was a late punch or something happened. He might have been swinging when he went down. He hit him while he was going down or while he was down already. I don't remember exactly what happened, but I remember it was a disqualification. And then Roy Jones was like, RJ's coming out. Wow. And then in the second fight, it was just an obliteration. He just destroyed him quickly. Yeah.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

4712.7

And when you would see Roy Jones in his... very best he was like first of all he's probably the fastest super middleweight in the history of sport and even light heavyweight he was so fast it didn't even make sense he there's some one twos that he threw that you watch to this day and you swear they're sped up You're like, no one moves that fast. He didn't even have a jab.

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And if you have that – I shouldn't say causes you, but it's one of those ones where if you get hit in the head a lot, it's not a good thing to have. Right.

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He would throw a left hook off the lead hand. He did everything different. He fucked everybody up because he didn't know what to do with it. Everything was off. It was just different. And he can move faster than everybody.

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Oh, yeah, they're horrifying. You can't move quick enough.

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Especially if you don't know what's happening. Your body has to be conditioned to movements. You see a movement. You react. You know if he's doing this, a punch is coming that way. I'm turning this way. I'm turning that way if something's coming that way. If he throws the left, the right is coming behind it. I'm ducking under.

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If you don't know what those patterns are, and then even if you do, Roy would move so fast, it would fuck up your whole understanding of distance and timing. Everything would be off.

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He was special. It makes so much sense. In his prime, he was unstoppable. It was like every fight was an execution. He played a fucking full basketball game one day and then defended his title. Played a basketball game. And then after the basketball game, running around on the court, played, played well, and then defended his title. Just because he was playing with his food. Yeah. He's a machine.

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He was truly a machine.

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Such a good guy. Great guy. Great guy. And great commentator as well. He's very good at boxing commentary. But, yeah, he had a split personality. Do you know the Mike Tyson story? No. So Mike Tyson, when he was 13, so Mike Tyson had a terrible childhood, you know, Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. It was just like horrible neighborhood crime and, you know, in and out of detention centers.

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He gets adopted when he's 13 by this guy, Customato, who is one of the greatest trainers of all time but also a hypnotist. So Custom Auto starts hypnotizing Mike Tyson when he's 13 years old. Oh, my gosh. And when he talks to him about fighting, he's like, you don't exist. Only the task. So all of the things like, what? Maybe I'm not good enough. Maybe I'm this. Maybe I'm that. Maybe I'm a fraud.

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You don't exist. It's only the task. And you are going to be the greatest heavyweight champion of all time. That is such a great... And if Cuss didn't die, he had an unbelievable, spectacular career. But you can tell the difference when Cuss is gone. He doesn't have that mentor anymore. He doesn't have that leadership. And eventually, it kind of falls apart for him.

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He wins the title when Cuss had already been dead. but then defends the title. He was just unstoppable. He was so much better than everybody else, but slowly but surely, up until the Buster Douglas fight, you see this deterioration of his discipline, and he's sort of just resting on his laurels, and fear. Everyone was so terrified of him.

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By the time they got into the ring, they were already beaten. You could see the look in their eye when he was staring at you. They were like, oh, fuck. And so... If Cuss was still alive, who knows what he would have accomplished? Who knows? He probably would have never lost. If Cuss stayed alive, if Cuss was slightly younger and was able to make it with him deep into his career, who knows?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

494.375

Yeah, that's a real issue, right? People think of concussions only as like you getting hit, but it's not. It's any kind of jolting to your body. My friend Mark Gordon works with a lot of soldiers and people with traumatic brain injuries, and he says you can get it from jet skiing, which is really crazy. Wow, just the bounce? Hard bouncing, the jostling.

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But hypnotized him when he was 13. And that's early.

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Also, you all of a sudden have love in your life. All of a sudden you have respect. All of a sudden you have people who appreciate you for what you do. And so you really dig into this thing. So Jim Jacobs was his manager. And Jim Jacobs is also an archivist. He has the greatest archive of boxing films in the world at the time.

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So he's got all the old fighters, Stanley Ketchell and Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey. And so Mike Tyson, when he's not training, is watching the greatest boxers of all time on film, which nobody has access to. Most boxers, you are as good as the gym you train in. You know, if you're training in a gym with Tommy Hearns, like, damn, he is so good.

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and you learn by being around him, and you see what he does, and you try to emulate it. But the level of the best guys in the gym, it's always very top-down. The best gyms always have some fucking assassins at the very top. World champions, top of the food chain guys, and everybody else sort of follows their beat, and you absorb. Well, Mike Dyson was absorbing from everybody.

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He was absorbing from Joe Louis and Sugar Ray Robinson. He was watching everybody. Archie Moore, he was watching all the greats. just hours and hours and hours and hours of studying films.

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And genetics. When he was 13 years old, he was 190 pounds. Yeah. Yeah. Teddy Atlas used to take him to what they call smokers. Smokers are like these amateur sort of unregulated fights. And they would say, how old is he? And you'd say 13, like bullshit. And you're like, how old do you think he is? He's like 16. So they put him in with 16 year olds and he knocked them out. Oh my god.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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He was knocking everybody out. He was just a genetic freak on top of being very intelligent but never really applied to anything other than boxing. Fully absorbed with boxing. Has a trainer who's one of the greatest trainers of all time. Trained Floyd Patterson, Jose Torres. I mean, Customato was a legendary world champion trainer. And then on top of that, he's a hypnotist.

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So he's like deeply involved in the psyche of his fighters. Yeah. And he's a mentor figure to this kid. And so you have that combination of things and you have that guy, the greatest. Mike Tyson at 79 at the age of 13. That's him at 13. Oh, my gosh.

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Look at the size of his biceps. Bro, look at his biceps. Look at his fucking right bicep at 13. That is insane. I know. Muhammad Ali above that is 12 years old and Tyson's 13 and built like a tank. That is so crazy. He's a monster. Oh, everything was perfect. It was the perfect storm. Intelligence, genetics, training, proximity. And, you know, he was around great fighters as well.

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You know, he was in gyms in the Catskills with some of the best fighters of his era.

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Yeah. He does talk about it. I'm sure it had an impact on him, that and marijuana. Both of those things had an impact on him.

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Yes.

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I feel like people who really love jet skiing and do it all the time, they start getting a little bit of CTE.

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Yeah. Yeah. When I first met him, well, I met him before this, but when he first did the podcast, he was not working out at all. And he was smoking weed all day long. And he was like silly and peaceful and relaxed. And he said he didn't want to work out because if he did, he would reignite his ego. And he didn't want to do that.

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And then the second time I saw him was when he was preparing for the Roy Jones fight. And he had lost like 100 pounds. He was shredded. And all his muscles were just fucking big and thick and puffed up. And he looked terrifying. And Jamie and I were like, that's a totally different person.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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From the first episode he did to the second episode, completely different person because he was Mike Tyson again. He was getting ready to fight again and he was fucking terrifying. And this is Mike Tyson again at 50, right? So imagine what Mike Tyson at 22 was like. I mean it had to be fucking terrifying.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, everybody was terrified of him.

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Yeah, he had an aura, and all the greats have auras like that. Roy Jones had that aura in his prime too, where you knew the fighter that he was facing was fucked. And eventually it catches up with you, and it did with Mike, with Buster Douglas, and then Evander Holyfield, and some of the other fights after that.

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But when a fighter has that aura, it takes a very special, confident person to overcome that. And that's why winning a title is so difficult. It's so difficult to beat a champion. There's the psychological – especially if you've never had a championship fight and you're fighting someone like Anderson Silva in his prime who had just been dominating his division.

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This is your first world title fight. And you're fighting a guy who's been there, done that eight times, destroyed everybody in his path. And he's looking at you at the weigh-ins. He's not even remotely nervous about you. And he's like smiling at you and he thinks he's just going to tear you apart. Yeah. And it takes a person of – very special psychological... You have to have a fortitude.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Your mind has to be so fucking strong to be able to handle that moment because it's not just the physical fight of skills. It's also the moment. And the moment is overwhelming. It's so different than everything else. You want to talk about novelty. The novelty of a world title fight. I mean, just imagine someone backstage at the UFC

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you have, there's four fights before you get on and you're watching people get knocked out and head kicked. You're in the green room and you're in the, the, the locker rooms rather. And you're warming up, you're practicing, you're hitting mitts and you're thinking, what the fuck am I getting myself into? Like, what am I doing?

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And then you see Anderson Silva warming up and you're like, Oh Jesus Christ, what am I doing? Like you have to have a very special mind to be able to overcome that. And I think it's one of the reasons why a lot of fighters today are seeking out mental coaches. It's very common.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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And I first found about it through my friend Vinny Shorman who has worked with a lot of MMA fighters and a lot of world championship kickboxers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

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well and helped a lot of people with that but there's quite a few different fighters now that utilize mental coaches and some sort of visualization coaching and then where they have very specific goals in terms of how they want to walk out what they want they want to see the whole thing there's guys like John Jones would famously like walk out

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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before the fight, and he would move around the octagon, he would like soak it all up. Empty? Empty stadium? Yeah, when no one was there. Before everything. And we would get footage of it sometimes of him just moving around. You know, he'd move around with his coaches. He just wanted to feel the floor under his feet. He wanted to see the cage. He wanted to get himself in that mindset.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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And, you know, John is, if not the greatest, one of the absolute greatest of all time. And, you know, he was meticulous and still is meticulous about his preparation, meticulous about watching tape and footage and understanding who he's fighting, what their moves are, what they do, what their tells, what the mistakes they make, and then visualizing success.

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5476.724

Yeah, as many bases as you can cover, right? Like, the physical skills of fighting are so difficult to master, and you get to a certain level of ability where you do have confidence. You know, you do think you are the man, and you can just dominate everybody. The problem is when you're facing someone else who's also the man. Like he thinks he's the man too.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

5496.261

And then you start questioning, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe what's happened to my opponents is now going to happen to me. Maybe I'm going to get mine now. Fuck. And, you know, the doubts start creeping into your mind. And unless you have...

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Some sort of a system of how to organize your mind and how to mitigate all this anxiety and stress and how to think about things and concentrate only on the positive things, only on what you are going to do and not all that bullshit.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

5596.808

Rehearsal. That's interesting. Yeah, and you have to also be aware of things that can go wrong if you do drop your hands, can go wrong if you do not move your head off the center line. If there's something that you do that's a mistake, there's real consequences. So a little bit of fear is very good for you.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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One of the things that fighters talk about is having flat performances because they came in too confident.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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and then they start getting beat up and they can't shift gears like they can't get to the fear part because the fear is kind of over once you start fighting like when i was competing i was always terrified up until the fight but when the fight is happening you're not scared at all you're just reacting you're moving and you know you just i mean you probably get scared if you're getting hurt if you're getting battered you know and you're you're against the ropes and you're getting fucked up but

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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For the most part, you're not scared. You're just you're in this Zen state. You're in the state of just letting your training do the work. But the lead up to it, the lead up to it is where everybody freaks out. That's that's where the real fear comes. And it's just mitigating that until you can get in there. And then once you get in there, you're really not scared. That makes perfect sense.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

5818.132

Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

5866.552

It's on airplane mode. I had one of those once. I wore it for one day, and it was buzzing during a podcast. I was like, all right, fuck this thing. Now it's going to go off over there, and you're going to have to reach for it. So these are the bullets that they use? Paintball training bullets. Look at that, Joe. Yeah, airplane mode. Maybe it's someone important calling you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

5886.764

Isn't there people on your list? Nope. Yeah, that's it. So those things, they just splatter on your face? Is that what it is?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

5897.782

Right. But if it hits that area, then you go down. Yeah. You're done.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

5931.698

Okay. And so, this is just to sort of condition them so that when a battle takes place, it'll be sort of automatic to fall into these patterns that they've learned.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

5952.669

So- It's interesting that you worked with one fighter. Have you worked with any fighters since then?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

598.988

So how did you get involved in, I mean, your space is like, you wrote this book, Behavior Ops Manual, and you've got a lot of stuff online, like how to motivate yourself and discipline yourself. And that's how I found out about you.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

6000.094

Jamie will find it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

6010.382

There's a guy that was one of the greatest heavyweights of all time out of Russia. His name is Fedor Emelianenko. And he fought in Pride, which was this enormous organization in Japan in the early 2000s. And he was famous for having a completely stoic expression no matter what happened.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

6027.389

Oh, he was the most terrifying. And because he was so skillful as well. But I wonder like what they taught him in terms of like how to keep your your mind in check in the middle of chaos. Because, I mean, he'd be in these fucking wars and just his facial expression never changed. There's this famous fight with him and Kevin Randleman.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

6049.034

Kevin Randleman was this elite American wrestler, and he suplexes Fedor on his head, like on his neck and on his head, and his expression never changes. In the middle of getting thrown through the air, slammed onto the ground, then... Moments later, he catches Kevin in an arm bar. Wow. Yeah, it was crazy. He's just like a robot. Never changes his face. Just calm.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

6073.139

You know, he might be having a cup of coffee at a local cafe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

6092.358

In this part of you is more than capable. So did you talk to Roy about like what fighters experience, like what to work on? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

6112.644

A lot of it. Yeah. A lot of his anxiety, adrenaline dump.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Yeah.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

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Some of the different videos that I thought were really insightful about how to sort of schedule progress in whatever you're trying to accomplish in your life, how to set things up. How'd you get involved in all this kind of stuff?

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

6159.491

Generally speaking, they tell you that that's not a good emotion to take inside the ring because anger is an emotion and emotions will cause you to, like Yuri Prohaska says, go into another line. So instead of doing what you should be doing in the flow, you might push things. So you might be a little too aggressive and open yourself up to counters. You might not be...

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

6184.637

defensively responsible because you're really only thinking about offense whereas you have to kind of be in the zone of both things at the same time and knowing when to attack and when not to attack that makes a lot of sense yeah a lot of people don't think but then there's fighters that fight angry if you know they're very successful if you know a guy i'll do it for you it'd be interesting anybody you want well there's a lot of ufc fighters probably listening to this right now like me though like i'm sure you'll get people that are interested in it

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

6211.54

Because everyone knows that there is a huge psychological aspect to fighting. Everyone knows that. No one denies that. No one thinks you could just be skillful and just be, you know, and everyone knows there's a psychological aspect of it that's very, very, very important.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

6227.371

And if you could do something that would strengthen that the same way you do something that strengthens your cardio or strengthens your power, you would think that that would be very beneficial. Huge advantage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

6240.3

Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

6310.603

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were talking about Roy Jones Jr. 's fighter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

6314.964

That is kind of crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

6317.345

So he traveled around with him all the time. Well, I would imagine, look, if you're doing something like golf where there's millions of dollars on the line and that is clearly very, very much a mental game.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

6328.76

There's a lot of thinking and calculating and being in the zone in golf that totally makes sense. That would be effective.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

6352.967

You know, it's interesting because what you're saying kind of applies to stand up comedy, too, because I have we've talked about this a bunch of times in the green room of the club. I think stand up comedy is hypnosis. I think it's kind of a mass hypnosis because I feel hypnotized when someone's really good.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

6369.153

This is not even as a person who does it, but as an audience member, when someone's really good, I'm allowing them to kind of think for me. You know, I'm going with the way they think about things. When someone's really funny and I really enjoy watching them, I'm in their mind. They're taking me on a journey. They're like holding my hand and telling me where we're going.

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And if someone's really good, you let them.

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I want to accept it. That's why jokes work when you know the person doesn't really believe that. They're saying crazy shit, but you're laughing anyway because you know what they're doing. They're just taking you on a fun ride. It's like a fun ride through jokes. And when you are doing it, there's this moment that you want to achieve where you're essentially a passenger.

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You're not even really the driver. As the comedian. Yeah, you're kind of the passenger. And the set sort of takes over and you are just going with where it wants to go. And when the subjects come up, If you're not completely invested in what that subject is, the audience knows. You can say the words the right way with the right timing and they won't work. There's like something about it.

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But if you're locked in, the audience gets locked in with you. And it's the difference between someone who can't figure it out and someone who becomes successful. It's like realizing that you can't talk about something while you're not thinking about it. You have to be thinking about that thing and you have to be invested in it. It has to be real to you.

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It has to be something you're really interested in. And then the audience gets interested in it as well. Yeah. That is so true. Yeah. It's a form of hypnosis, I think.

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Oh, yeah.

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You know why he could pull people in, though, is because people knew what to expect when you went to see Mitch Hedberg. Mitch Hedberg's struggle was the early days when people didn't know who he was. And if you schedule a show badly, like say if you have like an opening act that's high energy and then a middle act, the worst is like if a middle act does like singing and songs and stuff.

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And then he's very non sequitur, deadpan, one funny line after another, absurdities everywhere. It's all absurd. And, you know, sometimes it didn't catch on. Like he had to become famous and then people wanted to go see him knowing what they were going to go see. Yeah. That makes so much sense. Yeah.

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Yes. Very similar. Non sequiturs and wacky observations. Yeah.

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So people have to have a degree of expectancy. Well, not always. I mean, sometimes people just appreciate it because it's funny. But the show has to be structured correctly. Like I said, if someone goes on before and it's a rowdy crowd and they're singing and they do some fucking backflips or something crazy and you get used to that person, like this big reaction from the audience.

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And then you got a guy there with sunglasses on. Someone asked me if I want a frozen banana. I said no, but I want a regular banana later. So yes. It's like, what the fuck are you talking about? You have to be a Mitch Hedberg fan or know what he's doing to appreciate that.

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But once he became famous, then it was awesome, because then he was free. So then he could just be himself. He didn't have to worry about, like, they were coming to see him. So then he could just, like, really, like, excel.

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Yeah. There's a lot of things going on.

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You also have to have the right mindset before you go on stage. The worst thing that can happen is before you go on stage, something happens that throws you off. You get a phone call from a loved one. Something goes wrong at your house. You're in a car accident. Something happens before you go on stage and you're fucked up. That's a bad one. Yeah.

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You think it's because of this show? The show put you into a seizure?

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Oh.

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Wow. How bad was it?

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Oh, no. Like if it happened, I would beg you to keep it in. Have there been studies on methylene blue and seizures where are doctors recommending this stuff? Absolutely.

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Wow.

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It saved my life. Is there anything that people should be worried about with that stuff? Like other than taking SSRIs, what happens if you take too much of it?

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Yeah.

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This sounds like one of those things, though, where we're talking about this. I'm like, man, one day this is going to bite everybody in the ass. This sounds like one of those ones where it's almost too good to be true. I know. It's backed by 120 years of research.

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Okay. It says due to their tiny size, individual mitochondria weigh an incredibly small amount, particularly negligible, but collectively in the human body, total weight of all mitochondria would be estimated in the range of a few milligrams. However, the exact rate can be dependent on factors like body mass and cell type. Well, that doesn't sound like 6% of your body. I don't think that's correct.

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But that's AI overview. It can't be wrong.

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Sorry. Interesting. Where did you hear this from? A professor of mine. Maybe he's dealing with old information. Might be. A few milligrams, definitely not 6% of your body weight. I think it's a lot more than that. Okay. But either way, it's a part of your body.

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I've heard people talk about the side effects of melatonin and that taking exogenous melatonin might not be the best idea.

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melatonin doesn't have a rebound it doesn't no no so it doesn't have an effect on your body's ability to produce it either no no no your body's no negative side effects well people think there's negative side effects of everything right there could be that's i mean one of the problems with the muddy murky waters of health and nutrition this is like it's it's hard to know who's correct because there's a bunch of air quote experts on both sides there's

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Really? Yeah. So you had seized up.

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And it did. Wow. What a mind fuck.

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Well, also, you're wondering, what if this is permanent? What if I am, like, what is that movie, Memento? Remember that movie? Oh, yeah. The dude had to write everything down on his arms. Tattoos across his chest. Because he didn't know what the fuck was going on. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Fake. Jesus.

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Were you paranoid like someone did this? Not at all. Were you like, why is this fake dog here?

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So were you trained to train people? Like how did you go about starting to train people? What was it based on?

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Is there anything else that affects it, like your diet, drinking? Is there anything that – Yeah.

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It sounds cool, but I always think like – How much electricity around your brain is a good thing? Like, because people are telling you not to have earbuds in anymore. Yeah. Yeah.

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No.

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I would love...

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Yeah. I talked to Brett Weinstein about it, and he explained it to me. It's crazy. They used monkey kidney cells as the basis for certain vaccines, not knowing that they were going to infect these vaccines with this SV40, and it causes cancer.

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Well, you can now that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is the head of HHS.

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It's going to be interesting to see what he uncovers. Can we do a pee break? Yeah, take a pee break. Okay. We'll be right back. So what are you saying about what you teach to governments?

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Right, the defensive. Yeah. Yeah. And when you say you work with psyops people, what do you mean by that?

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What's that, Jamie?

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It's their commercial. Oh, right. That video is crazy. It was cool. It was cool. They're very cool, but it's crazy. Yeah. Can we play that again? Yeah, I guess. Do they let us play it, or do they give us shit? I don't have no idea.

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Yeah, they would want that to go around. We're trying to help you. Fucking brainwash people. We're on your side.

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He's the guy who dyed murder in yellow.

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Yeah, that's it. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak that he may grow arrogant. Sun Tzu, the art of war. I'd kill Bill. This is such a wild video. Have you ever wondered? So good.

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Unnamed. Of course. Who's pulling the strings? Who is unnamed? Who did this? If you're looking for purpose in your life, born from the ashes, and this video comes on, this could get you to sign up. Of a world at war.

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You'll find us in the shadows. Right? You want to be these guys sneaking in with the guns, right? At the tip of the spear. Marching in impressive manner. A threat rises in the east. Oh, no. The music helps a lot. Oh, yeah. It really does. Warfare. Look at that. They're back to the Mongols. This is crazy. And then they shift from that. to modern military. Antifa, scrolling, all the world's a stage.

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Oh, yeah. I'm going to go be in charge of everything. Intoxicating. Anything we touch is a weapon. We can deceive, persuade, change. I wonder if they can now with Doge. I wonder if USA getting crippled will have an impact on that. I bet it will. Probably.

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Did you see a lot of the characteristics of this kind of psyop? interaction with the public during the COVID pandemic? In my head, I was going, please don't, please don't bring up COVID. Because it seems like, I'm going to send this to Jamie because this to me was one of the darkest moments of the propaganda of the whole thing was the complete lack of empathy

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for the unvaccinated and not just lack of empathy, but disdain and contempt. But this was in the LA Times. And I saved it because I knew we were going to talk today. And I remember seeing this going, God, to put yourself into a place where you could even write this and then put it in the New York Times says column, mocking anti-vaxxers COVID death is ghoulish, yes, but may be necessary.

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I remember when I read that. I remember when I saw that, I was thinking, Jesus Christ, this seems like this is so on the nose George Orwell. It's such a mind-fuck. No one should ever... mock someone's death that's just a citizen that got infected with what now we know was a genetically engineered virus a gain of function virus from a weapons lab

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No one should mock an innocent person for not trusting the government and not wanting to get vaccinated. That is so crazy to mock someone's death from a disease where they did nothing wrong. If you want to mock the death of a murderer or a rapist or a... Some horrible criminal. That's a different thing, right? You want to mock Osama bin Laden's death. We're talking about a different thing.

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This is crazy. This is crazy to say this to grandmas and obese people that wind up dying from COVID. This is crazy to put that in the Los Angeles Times. But that was one of those things. It would let everybody else know this is how they think about you if you don't follow along.

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So it's focus, authority, tribe, and emotion. How much of that do you think was engineered? How much of this do you think was planned out, this response? Do you think that someone sat in a room and that people discussed the best ways to get people to comply? Yes. Yes.

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Wow. So if you can't question it, if you're supposed to just go along, it's a psyop.

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No, I have not.

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Yeah. That's Stanford, MIT. Yeah. That's all you need. Yeah. The Great Barrington Declaration. People didn't agree with exactly how the government was handling everything and they were silenced. And they were treated like fringe quacks instead of respected physicians. And it was openly discussed in emails. That's what's really crazy. They talked about the strategy of silencing these people.

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And then you had the actual government itself contacting Twitter trying to get people removed, which is wild.

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He talked about Facebook doing it, about the FBI contacting them. It's crazy to believe. But my hope is that people have learned from this past four years and that this is an eye-opener.

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Or you're very rigid in the way you look at things, right?

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Right.

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But some people, again, as you're talking about with suggestibility, some people are more vulnerable. Right. Did that sort of group think?

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Right. One of the things that I thought was fascinating about the PSYOP of the whole pandemic was that there were people that weren't even benefiting from being a part of it that were working for the PSYOP. And you saw people that were they were making videos mocking people that were unvaccinated or calling. One of my favorite was Keith Olbermann. You ever see the Keith Olbermann one? No.

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That guy was a great sportscaster. I don't know what the fuck happened to him, but he has this one video where he gets vaccinated and shows you his card and tells you that everybody who's not getting the vaccine are scared. Vaccine hesitancy. You're scared. And he's like yelling, you're scared. And he's like on his balcony in Manhattan.

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It's like so out of touch because he obviously lives in this really nice place, beautiful view behind him. And he's talking about how these people are scared because they're not getting the vaccine. Like scared of what? Like what are you scared of? Is there something to be scared of? Yeah. You're scared of side effects from a fucking new medicine. Experimental.

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Because there's been so many times in the past where we've seen they launch a new medicine and there's a host of side effects that the fucking pharmaceutical drug companies probably knew about and didn't tell everybody. Like- But you're scared. You're scared. See if you can find it. It's wonderful because it's so kooky. You just watch him yelling and screaming. It's like this is so ineffective.

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Why would we do that now? This is America. This is not how we operate today. We are moral. We are the leaders of the free world. Have you found it? Yeah, this is it. Give me some volume. So he's getting his shot with his stupid mask on.

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The little bit of spittle in his upper lip makes it extra good.

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they're making a medical decision to be afraid the snowflakes are afraid okay you can stop we get it we get it isn't it wonderful wow but he's doing this for social credit he's doing this to virtue signal he's doing this to show everybody he's holding up his card i'm compliant you know

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There's a payoff. Socially, he feels like he is on the side of the intelligent people who trust the science.

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I doubt it. Maybe. Maybe. Possibly. I know that they definitely did encourage people to post things on social media.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so what cults were these people recruiting people for? I can't talk about it. You can't say the name of the cults? I can't say the name. How many different people did you talk to that were cult recruiters? Six. Six? So there's more than six. How many cults are active right now? It was two. There were two cults. Two cults, six recruiters.

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He's got to have a lot of backing. Plenty of people agree with him. But the thing about it is like – Afraid of what? Like, you're not saying what they're afraid of. They're afraid of what everyone's experiencing right now, Keith.

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Massive side effects.

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Look at the amount of people that have myocarditis. Look at the rises and all these autoimmune disorders and all these different things that people neurological conditions that people are dealing with that are vaccine injured.

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Now, the Trump administration apparently is going to bring those people back if they want to come back with back pay. Yes. Is that happening to him? Yes. That's great. He's going back in. And he was a commander. That's fucking great. Well, good for him, first of all, for sticking to his guns.

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And if he knows anybody that's been injured or died from it, I bet he probably feels pretty good about his decision.

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But by then, you know, people had already known that there were side effects. You know, I've talked about it before, but my my situation was I was not hesitant at all. Initially, the UFC had allocated a bunch of the vaccines for their employees and we were doing shows during the pandemic and we were doing them in Vegas. So they were at this place called the Apex Center, which is a smaller arena.

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The UFC had fights in during the pandemic. Everybody had to be tested. You have to be tested before you get there. You have to be tested at home before you fly the whole deal. You get there and then once you get there. They told me that they had vaccines for all the employees. So I called the doctor and I said, hey, can I do it while I'm here? I was going to do it the day of the fight.

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I thought it was like the flu shot, like whatever. I had no fear of vaccines at all before this point. I had no, I'd never read any books about vaccines. I thought anybody who was anti-vaxxer was a kook. Vaccines are the reason why we don't have polio and smallpox and all these different things, right? So they tell me that I would have to come back on Monday.

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I can't come back on Monday or I'd have to go to the clinic on Monday. They have to do it there. I was supposed to be there and come back. It gets pulled from the market. So they had the Johnson & Johnson. It gets pulled for blood clots. Then two people I knew got strokes.

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And I was like, what the fuck is going on? Because so many people were getting vaccinated. And if you have millions of people getting vaccinated, you're going to have some serious side effects occasionally. And I was around quite a few. And I started getting really nervous. And then when it came back, I'm like, do I have to take this thing?

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Because then they had pulled the Johnson & Johnson, and they were saying, well, you still get the Pfizer or the Moderna. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, what's going on here? What's going on? And then a bunch of people that I knew had it and got over it really quick. They got COVID. And then my family got it. And when my family got it, I was like, let me see if I can get it.

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Because, like, I didn't do anything different. I hugged my kids. I slept with my wife. Like, we hung out together. They were like, you're going to get sick. Everybody was sick in the house but me. I was like, hmm. I had two days when I was working out, I felt kind of weak.

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Could be. I wasn't even taking horse paste at the time. I was taking nothing. I was just vitamins. I was constantly doing vitamins and nutrients. I was doing IV vitamins at the time once a week with NAD. I'm healthy. I work out a lot. But it was this narrative that if you are around it, you're definitely going to get it. And I was like, OK, well, that's not true.

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I call a lot of things cults, so throw that word around freely.

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Yeah, because I was fucking around it. And this was back then when everybody had it in my family. There was no vaccine. So I was like, OK, let me see what happens. And I didn't get it. And I was like, they all got over it. And then a bunch of my friends got it. Jamie got it. Everybody got over it. And I was like, this is not what everyone's saying. Everyone's saying it's a death sentence.

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Like, this is fucking weird. This whole thing is weird. And then I eventually got sick because I was touring and I was doing arenas and I was like traveling around and. It wasn't that bad. It was like one day I felt real sick. It's like a cold. And then two days later I made that video and CNN turned my face green. I saw that. It was nuts. So that to me was fascinating.

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To be the subject of a PSYOP was fascinating.

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Listen, man. If I was really sick, I would tell everybody, hey, man, this is for real. I'm really fucking sick. Like this is really scary because I'm very healthy. I very rarely get sick and I'm fucking real sick. Like do your best.

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get vaccinated do whatever you got to do but i was like this is weird because this is not what everybody said it was going to be this is not this death sentence three days later six days later i'm working out with 100 energy i had no problems at all i did 10 rounds on the bag six days later just to see i was like let's see i feel great like let's see how i feel like endurance wise it was

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A hundred percent. I felt totally normal six days later. It's like, this is what we shut the fucking world down for and didn't tell anybody to get healthier. Didn't tell anybody about vitamin D. I was very fortunate that I had a very good doctor who is very into nutrition and very into supplementation and

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He was prescribing me quercetin and zinc and you want to be really up on all your vitamin C and D and D3 and make sure that you take it with K2 and magnesium. Like he was on the ball. So I was on the ball and I was like, okay, why don't we tell people this? And how come everyone's mad at me? Why are you mad at me for getting healthy? This is crazy. It was fascinating to watch that PSYOP.

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That was the weirdest thing, to watch it turned on me.

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I can't imagine how that feels. It was weird. It was weird, but I was also getting a lot of support, too. It wasn't all people mad at me. There was a lot of people mad at me, but I just stayed off social media. But there was also a lot of people that were supporting me like, hey, what about – why is he healthy? Like why is he OK?

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How come this 54-year-old guy didn't just drop dead like you said everybody was going to? Why is he making a video three days later? It feels great.

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I heard Tom Cruise is awesome at that. Oh, yeah. I heard when you talk to him, you're like the only person in the room. Yeah. And it's just that – tell me more.

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Well, all the algorithms were searching for it, so people would spell vax like V, and then they would use a dash and then an X. They would do something to try to skirt around the algorithm.

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It's going to catch on its own. Also, the counter to that is if your idea is bad, you can't just force it through. People are going to figure it out eventually. They're going to realize eventually if you keep calling this stuff horse paste, veterinary medicine, and people are going to find out, oh, wait a minute. It actually won the Nobel Prize, the inventor of it, for humans, for use in humans.

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Actually, it's on the World Health Organization list of essential medicines. Actually- It's been prescribed billions, not millions, billions of times. What the fuck is going on where you're saying this is horse-paced? 50 plus, 100 years. It's been around quite a long time, and it has an incredible safety profile, which was the wildest thing about them going all in and calling it horse-paced.

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Because you are doing this at the expense of your credibility for people who just want short-term profits, and you're killing your business. Your business is people want to believe you when you're talking about the news, and now they don't. They don't over something really stupid. Well, you could have just ignored me. You didn't have to do that. You could have just ignored me.

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It probably would have had very little effect. My video probably would have had very little effect. People probably wouldn't have believed me. Oh, yeah, I bet he feels like shit and he's lying. That would have been fine. But instead, they went all in, and too many people were paying attention to it.

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And by that time, too many people had already had COVID and gotten over it and going, what the fuck is going on? And then there was the whole thing where they were saying you had to get vaccinated even if you had suffered from COVID and recovered where you had natural immunity that was proven to be seven times stronger. It was a pure psyop.

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Well, I'm sure it worked. I'm sure it worked. I'm sure a lot of people complied after they saw that. They saw those attacks. And, you know, I met a lot of people that would accuse me of spreading misinformation. Like, what did I say? Tell me what I said. What was misinformation? What was wrong? They can't even tell you. They didn't even know.

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They were just like saying something because you were there. Like they felt like they had to say that. It was a fascinating time. And what's interesting is coming out of that now, you know, the country coming out of that now, I think people are way more skeptical. Way more skeptical of believing the media and way more skeptical of believing the government. Way more skeptical.

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I think that was a huge mistake for short-term profits. I think they still would have made a ton of money. A lot of people are scared. They would have taken it anyway. They lied about all the fucking studies anyway. They were doing well. But... They sacrificed their ability to do this in the future.

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Well, I think it's essentially a symptom of a system that's been captured, right? It's the media works for them because they support the media financially. You know, Callie Means has talked about this, that the reason why they sponsor so many television shows is not that they want to sell more drugs. It's to keep those shows from criticizing them. That's terrifying. It is terrifying.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

9373.196

It's terrifying that it's effective and it works and that we're one of only two countries on earth that allows them to advertise pharmaceutical drugs. Because we know the commercials are. Psyops.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

9386.912

I mean, when you see that lady and she's dancing with her daughter in the field and they're spinning around in circles and now she's happy and everything's great, but you're fucking depressed and you're at home and you're like, oh, I want the music to play. I want to be dancing in the field. I want to be at the cookout with all the fellas having a good old time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9405.678

Yeah, I can't do that with whatever I'm on, whatever's wrong with me. Give me what you got and get me into that commercial.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9435.033

Which makes sense why he would change the name of the Department of War to the Department of Defense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9445.496

Well, kudos to him for that. Yeah. Because that was a good move. Yeah. Bacon's pretty solid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9453.378

Whoa. Yeah. I wonder if they did coke together. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

946.368

Huh. So in the cult, how would they do that? What would they try to get you to deviate from? What would they try to get you to do?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9466.116

That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9468.977

So did you read his book?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9471.618

What does it say in there?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9533.564

An ancient prejudice has been removed. Isn't it? Look at the fucking chain. American intelligence. Look at that. The chain says American intelligence around the wrist. Lucky strike cigarettes. That's so weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9557.503

Click on that one with the lady right there by your cursor. Keep a slender figure. That one. Believe in yourself.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9566.808

Oh, is it? Is it fake? It seems like it. The font's totally different. Meme font. Don't test one brand alone. Compare them all. Yeah. They can't advertise cigarettes anymore, right? Isn't that the rule? Not on TV. I don't know about magazines. Can they do it in magazines? But I don't know about it. Remember the Marlboro Man? Didn't he die of cancer? I don't know about his magazines.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9586.588

Remember the Marlboro Man? Yeah. Fucking everybody wanted to be that dude. Yeah. He was like the original John Dutton. Denim jacket. Yeah. Out there on the range, looking all rugged. I wish I was him, you know? Cigarette ads are restricted in magazines in the United States, but are still present in some magazines. So, like, federal law limits tobacco advertising in magazines and on billboards.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9607.727

However, tobacco companies can advertise in magazines that have at least 85% adult readers. Oh, so porn. So it's like Playboy, right? It's mostly adults. Mostly adults. U.S. cigarette joke.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9631.613

Oh, that's Britain. Yeah. So, I mean, do you think advertising should be legal? It's a weird thing, right? I think about sometimes when I read my Spotify ads, which is why I say no to a lot of things that want to advertise. Like some things come across and we're like, wait, whoa, whoa, what is that? What is that? Is that real? Is that legit? Is this funky? Is that a good product? Is this anything?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9656.625

This sounds like bullshit. So I want to make sure, is this something that I would use? Is this something legitimate? Because... Advertising is kind of creepy. It is. But it's not if it's cool. If you're doing an ad for a Corvette ZR1, I could do an ad for a ZR1. I'll tell you that fucking thing's the shit. It's amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9677.853

You should know that if you get in one of those things and drive, it will be fucking incredible. That's real. It's a solid product. It's a real thing. I could feel good about that ad. Because I know that's a real awesome piece of engineering and technology that they've created. But if it's not, like if you're trying to convince people. Some shady shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9719.494

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9751.482

I mean, did the ads on cigarettes where they show, like, may cause cancer, may cause a little birth... Did that even put a dent in the amount of people that smoke cigarettes?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9765.794

Yeah.

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#2278 - Chase Hughes

9768.997

Right. Right. And you should be able to, just like you should be able to eat junk food. Like, when people talk about, like, getting rid of Doritos or making them change the thing, like, hey, hold up. Doritos as they are are fucking amazing. Just don't eat them every day, stupid. You should eat them like knowing this is just mouth pleasure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

977.923

Right. That's weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9788.535

I'm going to just have some fucking delicious Cool Ranch Doritos. They're not good for you. They don't pretend to be good for you. You're not supposed to eat them for nutrition, dumbass. This is like... Mouth recreation. That's what that is. Yeah. It's not really food. Are you going to feel like shit afterwards? Yeah, if you eat the whole bag. Are you going to get sick?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9805.781

Well, if you eat them every day, all day, you'll get sick. Don't do that. Have them every now and then. You're watching a movie? Open up a bag of Doritos. What's the big fucking deal? Not a big deal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9821.548

Bathing in Doritos. But it's just one of those things. I don't think you should tell people they can't have things that aren't healthy for them because there's a lot of things like cookies and cake and shit. It's just not fucking healthy for you. Are you going to kill the baking industry? That's dumb. That doesn't make any sense to me. You should just know what you're doing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9842.077

Unfortunately, a lot of people don't. A lot of people aren't very educated as far as food. Give your throat a vacation. Oh, my God. Smoke a fresh cigarette. Unfiltered camels. They're the worst. Oh, my gosh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9859.886

No, what did it say?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9864.989

Oh, it's the peppery dust left in tobacco by inefficient cleaning methods that makes you cough.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9876.898

Jamie? The humidor pack. There's no stale, crumbly, parched tobaccos. The fine, Turkish, and mild domestic tobaccos of which camels are blended come to you in prime factory fresh condition thanks to the humidor pack. Read that last sentence. The last one. Give your throat a vacation. Switch to camels for just one day. Then leave them if you can.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9900.789

Yeah, you can't eat just one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9904.671

Is Pringles?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9907.433

A lot of them you bet you can't eat just one. Yeah, they're good. They're good. Just don't eat them every day, stupid. But if they take fucking potato chips off the shelf, if they take ruffles off the shelf, I'm going to be pissed, RFK. All right? Leave all that garbage up there. Leave Coca-Cola up there. Let them have it. You can't regulate good decisions. No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9926.684

But you should just know what you're doing. But if you know what you're doing, you take care of yourself, it's not bad to have cake every now and then. Yeah. A little bit of cake. I completely agree. But there's a lot of value in what you're teaching and what you're explaining to people. And I think if more people understand –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

995.845

So you bullshitted him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9982.551

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2278 - Chase Hughes

9991.617

What do you think is the biggest impact in terms of social media on the way people think? Rephrase that. Like social media obviously is having some sort of psychological manipulation on people. Yeah. What do you think the biggest impact it's having on people other than the theft of your time?

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#2308 - Jordan Peterson

10192.256

When your family abandons you, I'm here for you. You know, they don't understand. Not like me. We could be closer than anybody has been with you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

10405.958

And opportunity.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

10536.622

Didn't Germany, like, didn't they shut down a bunch of their nuclear plants?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

11238.703

20 miles an hour.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

11253.924

Climate. Climate knocking. Climate knocking.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

11258.608

Yeah.

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#2308 - Jordan Peterson

3.993

The Joe Rogan Experience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

3353.753

Some.

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#2308 - Jordan Peterson

5031.87

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

5124.09

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

574.041

Yeah. A 30-year-old.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

6061.95

Why?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

6628.01

High.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

7186.092

Well-

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

8249.548

What do you play?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

8302.432

And then...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

907.622

1960.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2308 - Jordan Peterson

9579.259

Right, right.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10046.478

When those folks start entering into other sports, when people from, like, hard environments start entering sports, like, the scariest guy in the UFC, or one of the scariest, is from Chechnya.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10059.145

Yeah. That's war-torn. Dude, this guy is a fucking Hamzat Chemaev. He is a fucking animal. Have you ever seen that guy fight? Hamzat, no. Hamzat Chemayev. Pull up Hamzat Chemayev versus Kevin Holland. So Hamzat Chemayev is the number one contender in the UFC's middleweight division. He's a fucking monster. And he's so aggressive, like relentlessly aggressive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10087.701

He's known to get in fights like backstage and just an animal. And like in post-fight interviews, he's like, I fucking killed them all. I killed them all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10101.709

No, I don't think so. Maybe. I don't think so. But he just runs. Go right from the beginning because this is the beginning of the fight. Watch how he storms at him.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10118.3

The amount of fucking grappling power you have to have to ragdoll Kevin Holland like this is insane. Kevin Holland is a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt under Travis Luter. I mean, he's a legit grappler. That's why he's surviving and he scrambles is because he's a legit black belt. What's he saying to him? They're talking shit. Kevin likes to talk shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10141.432

I think Kevin's probably like, come on, man. I thought we were going to stand up. Why don't we fight? Why don't we fight in the feet? He's probably trying to goad him into doing something stupid. Yeah. Kevin talks shit while you're hitting him. I mean, this is crazy grappling ability. The way he rotates with him. And here it is. Here's the darts. So he sinks up the choke and slides through.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10163.112

Watch his right hand. His right hand is going to reach forward and grab a hold of his bicep. Watch how this is when he's sent to see it slides down. Yeah. When the right hand, right now it's still open, but when the right, now it clamps. Now it's on the bicep.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10176.572

That's the choke. The choke's fully locked in now, and Kevin's fucked. Goddamn. He's totally fucked, and he's going to have to tap, and he eventually taps. But, I mean, to tap a guy like Kevin Holland, and not just tap him, but just, he has no chance at any moment in the fight. It's just total grappling dominance. Look at that. He's a monster. Just a fucking monster.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10198.17

And like the most aggressive guy in the fucking sport. Like right away charges, and this is it. This is the end. Once he taps it. Oh, my God. Once he gets that leg over the top of the body, so he isolates the body and constricts deeper into the choke, he's done.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10216.858

Oh, no.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10218.419

Were you trying not to get choked out? No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1026.412

This fucking stupid game that people play back and forth with who loves war, who hates war, who loves censorship, who hates censorship. It's a political beach ball that they toss around at a concert to keep people occupied. These motherfuckers switch sides, right? That should tell you enough alone by itself right there that they fucking switch sides. But he was getting attacked for obscenity.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10262.634

That's what I thought.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10309.004

Oh, that's funny.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10314.367

That's cool. Yeah, it was really cool. It's a very good thing for women to learn because jiu-jitsu allows you to defend yourself in a way that very few martial arts really do because you don't have to rely on the size of your hands hitting people and kicking people. It's too hard. It's too hard to knock out a man.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10330.733

If you have small hands, if you're a woman, it's just like you just can't generate enough force for the most part unless you're like an unusually strong woman. Some women, like, you know...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10340.057

you know like uh there's a few you know like holly holm like you don't want holly holm punching you in the face amanda nunez will knock you out cold 100 even if you're a dude but most women they just don't have the power in their hands but everyone has the power to carry your body around right so your legs are really strong if a woman gets her legs locked around your neck and gets a triangle on you you're if she knows how to do jiu jitsu like your legs are carrying if you weigh 130 pounds you're a woman your legs are carrying 130 pounds all day long

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10369.381

And they don't get tired. And they're strong. So all you have to do is lock that bitch in behind the knee, crack, and pull on the head, and you're going to sleep.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10384.64

there was a a show that they used to have on showtime with this dude who was uh he was a porn star and he had a show on showtime and uh he had like a reality show and in one of the episodes he was gonna do jujitsu with a woman and so my friend felicia felicia oh who's a black belt under jean-jacques machado she's a legit beast and you know she weighs 130 pounds maybe maybe 135 maybe and

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10414.21

She choked the fuck out of this dude multiple times. I don't even think she was a black belt at the time. She was probably a brown belt. Maybe she was a black belt already. She was a black belt before me. But I used to train with her all the time. She's really, really good. And a dude who didn't know what he's doing, he's going night-night.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10434.546

Most people don't.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10435.727

It's too hard to learn. And you've got to get humiliated when you do learn. You know, you get fucking humiliated. It's a brutal wake-up call when you get strangled. And how easy it is for people to do it to you. You're so vulnerable when you're unconscious. Well, you're just so vulnerable when you do jiu-jitsu against someone who's good at it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10454.016

I remember the first time I realized I was a white belt and I rolled with this kid who was a purple belt. And he was my size. And he just mauled me. And I remember thinking, this is crazy. Like, I can't believe I'm totally helpless. Like, I thought I had this delusional idea. Like, I know how to fight. I'll fucking figure this out. This ain't that big a deal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10471.183

It's not that much different from Taekwondo or kickboxing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10476.525

I got strangled over and over again by everybody. But this one guy in particular, he just was murdering me. And I remember thinking, I got to learn this. This is really important to know. I didn't know how I was that vulnerable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10490.134

No, never unconscious.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10499.582

I definitely sparked out a couple of times where I could see the door was closing. You have a second left before you go out, before you tap. And when someone's got a really good rear naked choke, once it's locked in and they start to clamp down on the pad, you've got to fucking tap. You've got to tap.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1050.77

So he would put... Like, whatever they would do. And they were... They fined... What was the total amount that Howard Stern was fined? So this has to be... You got a neurotic guy as it is, right? Who's also the most pioneering radio guy of all time. He's the guy that... changed radio from DJs playing records to just talking.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10517.023

Especially in training, like it's stupid to not tap because you could really get hurt, especially if you get caught in an arm bar or worse is like a heel hook or a knee bar. Like you got to tap immediately. You can't take a chance with ripping your joint apart. It's not worth it. Fuck that. And I had a lot of injuries from not tapping in time. I had a bad Kimura injury on my elbow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10538.588

My friend Brent caught me in a Kimura and I couldn't believe that he got it. I was like, because I usually get him. I was like, I am going to get him. And then he got me. I'm like, oh my God, he got me. This motherfucker got me and I didn't want to tap. And I was trying to work my way out of it and work my way out of it. And eventually I had a tap, and I was like, oh, I fucked my elbow up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10554.936

And I couldn't do chin-ups for like three months. Really? It was brutal. It was horrible. Every time I'd do a chin-up, I had agony in my left elbow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10564.606

No, I want to again, but just my... I've had a few aggravating injuries. I had some sciatica a while back, like real stiffness in the back. But you know what's really changed that a lot is stretching. I've spent like an hour and a half every night just stretching. Really? Yeah, it's loosened everything up. And I realized like sometimes I go too hard and I don't give myself enough recovery.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10589.994

You know, I just push a little too far. And then I ignore, like I had this back thing that was bothering me from archery. And I just ignored it. And it was just a muscle thing, so I wasn't worried about it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10603.401

No, no, my right on the side. It's on the side by the hips. Oh, lower, lower. Right, so I know it's not worrying me like a spine thing. Spine things worry me. But this was inflamed, and I just kept shooting the bow. I just was like, shut up, pussy. And I just pushed it to the point where it got kind of chronic. And it bothered me for a while. It's much, much better now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10626.86

But I'm being real careful to get it to 100% before I think about doing anything. Like right now, I can kick the bag again. I can do pretty much everything again. But it's one of those things where I'm still getting better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10662.687

Well, benching's rough on the elbows, or the shoulders, rather. Benching can get rough, especially if you bench heavy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10674.011

It pops off, and then you're fucked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10697.938

And he wrestled even though his pec was torn? He wrestled with a torn pec. What a fucking animal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10705.598

jesus christ that's crazy yeah he did uh we did go big show together his dad was the best hell in a cell with a torn peck these guys are animals well you know it's when you're young well it's also like wrestling it's like the culture the pro wrestling culture the culture is like you're gonna get battered like we're battering each other it's just more so in the past those guys really got up oh dude

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10727.959

I've had a bunch of those guys in here. They tell me the stories. Hulk Hogan and fucking Jake the Snake. All these guys are animals.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10741.767

They were going from town to town, beating the fuck out of each other.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1075.826

Talking in your authentic voice and having wild shit on the radio. $2.5 million? $2.5 million between 1990 and 2004.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10752.389

for as far as like putting weight on and mass, way better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10756.531

Oh yeah, it's completely changed. Have you ever done an anabolic steroid? Nothing serious. I've never done anything serious. I tried Anivar once and I've done like some minor stuff. There was some stuff that I got that you used to be able to buy at the store. You used to be able to buy it from GNC, like a vitamin store. And they eventually pulled it off the market. I forget what it was called.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10777.942

I forget what it's called, but it was pills and holy shit did this work. It was like legit steroids that you could buy at GNC.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10794.774

Well, apparently I was reading about this conspiracy about GHB and about how safe GHB is in small doses and how good it is for you with sleep and recovery. But the problem is people would dump it in people's drinks and then it was like a date rape drug because you just get – if you have a lot of it, you're out of it. You don't know what the fuck is going on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10816.175

And so then it became the date rape drug and then it just got pulled from the market or at least very difficult to get. But yeah, I remember during those days when it was out, bodybuilders would always talk about it. They were all taking GHB before they go to sleep. Google what the conspiracy is about GHB, but it has some profound effects on recovery. It puts you in deep sleep.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10840.611

And apparently, at the right doses, it's very safe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10844.689

Yeah. This doctor was explaining what had led to it being demonized and what the actual benefits of GHB are.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10867.249

People like you.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1088.873

14 years.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1091.854

Fine owners of radio station licenses that carried the Howard Stern show. A total of $2.5 million for content and considered to be indecent. Indecent. So all the stuff that we do on podcasts right now, we would 100% have been fined. 100%. I would have been off the air a long time ago. It was real censorship, but it was just done under the guise of broadcast.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

10911.072

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

11055.18

Thank you.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

11093.215

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1116.447

The idea is if you're going to broadcast something on a major network like NBC, CBS, they have rules to language and what you're allowed to show, which is kind of crazy. Why do you have those rules? Why do those rules exist to keep obscenity from television and like – Maybe that was a good idea in 1950 when people didn't know any better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1136.482

But now that we know better, like, why do you have rules like that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1146.531

You can't say anything you want to say. Like, sometimes cunt's the right word.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1152.716

Every now and then, it's the right word when used correctly. But, like... If you can't say it, then you can't fully express yourself. And if you don't like people fully expressing themselves because you don't like certain sounds, I suggest you grow the fuck up. That's a ridiculous way to think. If I can say cock, but I can't say cocksucker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1176.144

If I could say dick, like Dick Cheney, but I can't say suck a dick. What are we doing? It's the same sound. You're making the same sound. I can say pussy, cat. Pussycat's fine. You know, you can't say N-word breakfast. You know what I'm saying? You can.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1196.661

You gotta be black. But you know what I'm saying? Like, if you want to say certain words that are forbidden words, sometimes they're okay. So it's the sound is sometimes okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

120.375

Which, by the way, it's a fun way to catch somebody. When you call someone and you're going to go on stage in like 20 minutes. I'm just checking in on you to see what's going on. And you're on a fucking motorcycle in Vietnam. I'm laughing. But then I was like, dude, you really need to dedicate yourself to stand up like this is a trap. It's a velvet prison. These TV shows are a velvet prison.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1268.022

God, I got to get on that thread because the ones me and Tommy are on is horrible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1272.324

It's all murder.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1273.565

That's the other side of his brain. We send each other the murder and car accidents. Today was a car accident. It was guys escaping the cops, and the guy flips this van multiple times, gets thrown into traffic, and then run over by cars. And it's just splatterfest.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1311.377

Yeah, my kids know better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1314.699

Yeah, my algorithm's not good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1317.942

My YouTube algorithm's great.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1322.064

A lot of my YouTube algorithm lately has been watching people build things. I love cabinet makers and carpenters. There's this one guy who makes these specialized desks that have secret drawers and shit. Oh, hold on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

1340.877

Yeah. Fuck, those desks are badass. Yeah, you wave the wand and the keyboard rolls out. Like, yeah, it's pretty dope. There's a bunch of those guys that make these, like, super ingenious, like, homemade artisan desks.

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Hot chicks have found their way into basically all walks of life as influencers. You know, there's like hot chick hunters There's hot chick jujitsu's jujitsu girls. There's hot chick CrossFitters.

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And when you're on the travel channel, you're not even getting what you're making great money. Right. But you're not getting I can retire now money. No, there's no fuck you money. It's I can live well money. You know, it's a great job. But it's one of those jobs where at a certain point in time, you got to go, okay, I have to jump ship. Like, you know, I can't keep doing this.

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Damn.

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Tiger Woods only has 3.5 million followers. And she's got four. And she's not a professional. Yeah, if you're hot, you could do a lot in this world.

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That's not important. Do you care?

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I bet she does. Jesus Christ.

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This seems pornographic almost. Whoa.

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I wonder why she's got so many followers. She's got a cough. Yeah, yeah. She's got a good swing. Damn. I don't even know if I saw any movement.

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You want to talk about lucky?

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That's the Willy Wonka golden ticket, being a super hot woman. All you have to do is be nice, and doors just open up everywhere. Like, she's here. If you're that hot, anywhere you go. Red carpets get rolled out.

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But also, creepers. Creepers launch themselves at you. You're never invisible. Guys are fucking with you all the time. Overconfident guys are hitting on you all the time and then getting really mean when you reject them. That's the thing that chicks have to deal with. They have to deal with angry guys that are angry that they get rejected and they start insulting them and yelling at them.

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Always good to see you, my man.

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That's scary shit, man. That's scary shit.

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And you don't have any money. So, you know, probably live in a place that's easy to get to.

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There's a lot of fucking, well, we need better mental health care in this fucking country. And there's a lot of people out there that are out of their fucking mind. And if no one's paying attention to them or checking in on them, like imagine you're your average guy who loses his fucking mind. And you're a 40 year old guy who works at a gas station.

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You've been working at that gas station for 20 years and no one's paying attention. And you're just slowly losing your fucking mind. And, you know, you think Jared Leto is Satan. And, you know, you've decided that, like, someone's sending you code on television. And then you lock on to some female comedian. And, like, that's your target. That's who you're.

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No. What the fuck is wrong with you? Have something to focus on. Don't encourage this. Have something to focus on. Play video games, guys. Yeah. Get involved in Call of Duty, okay? You don't have to fucking go stalk people. Find something productive. Play online chess, you fucking psycho. You don't have to go stalk people.

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Like, this is going to fuck up everything else I'm doing.

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That was funny. That was funny. He was definitely trying to be rude. Is it? He was being funny. We were talking shit.

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Yeah, I like how you call him that guy.

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He really is.

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That's the problem.

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But he's amazing.

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Do you ever see that Hell or High Water? You ever see that film?

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Oh, my God. It's one of his films.

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It's fucking great. Pull up Hell or High Water. This fucking movie, dude. This fucking movie is incredible. Jeff Bridges is in it. Yeah, I've seen this. It's about bank robbers, these criminals in a small town.

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Who's your friend?

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Okay. Jamie, go to the cast. Who's in that? God, Ben Foster's so fucking good. That guy's so good. You know what that guy was in that super underrated one of his performances because it's such a wacky movie? 30 Days of Night. Did you ever see 30 Days of Night?

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30 Days of Night is the second best vampire movie of all time.

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First best vampire movie of all time is the most recent Nosferatu. That's the best vampire movie of all time.

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The best vampire movie of all time.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's on Apple. But this was 30 Days of Night was a movie where Ben Foster played like a vampire familiar. And these vampires would go to, they went to Alaska in the middle of the winter where it's dark for 30 days. So they could be out for 30 days. And they're fucking terrifying vampires. They're really fun. And Ben Foster plays the vampire familiar. So the familiar is like, that's him in there.

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What's a familiar? A familiar is a human that the vampires use to get close to humans. And they promise the human that one day he'll have eternal life and he'll be one of them. So the vampire goes and sets up people for the vampire familiar, sets people up to be killed by the vampires. Oh, Shut up.

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Ben Foster's a beast.

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What is it, Chairman? 310 to Yuma.

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Yeah, he's a beast. There's certain people that when they act, you just go, God damn. I am not one of them. So good. So good. So it makes a movie so much better. You just get dragged into it.

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There's too much to see, Burt Kreischer.

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What does that mean, by just starting now to get off Instagram? Jonah Hill.

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There's too many movies to be paying attention to these days. When I was a kid, if you said you didn't know, you never saw Apocalypse Now? What the fuck? It's like once VHS tapes came out, you're supposed to have seen the big ones.

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You didn't see Star Wars? Are you out of your fucking mind? But today, it's like they never stopped making movies. They've never stopped. They make new ones every year. You can't keep up. There's no way.

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Well, they all involved chaos. They all involved the end of civilization. If you want to win an Oscar, you have to be... Trans lives matter all the way. What do you do to win an Oscar today? You have to have something that's got some meaning to it other than just being a good movie, right? There's got to be some social justice aspect to it.

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Wasn't there some thing where they were talking about... God damn it. I can't remember what the article was about. But it was about...

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requirements for a film to win an oscar today what they believe to be requirements so i don't like awards do you know what it is there was something that they were it was just representation and inclusion standards that's it like that that's it that's it's that's not that's not the only way to tell a story that's not because if you do that you don't get shogun okay oh You don't get Shogun.

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You've got to have an all-Japanese cast. You want to get Shogun. You know, you can't have a fully diverse, you know, 50-50 split of whatever, everybody. You can't. No. You have to tell a specific kind of a movie. You know, if you're going to make a movie about the Congo, you can't have white people play native Congolese people. You can't have that. So it's like some stories are not diverse.

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Well, there's certain people that you know their full potential because when they're with you, they're completely relaxed. And, you know, everyone's just having a great time and you get to see them at their best. And when you're crying, laughing, just hanging out, talking to a guy, you're like, this guy's got it.

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It doesn't make them less valid. It doesn't mean you're racist. It just means that some stories take place in Norway and they involve Vikings. OK, this is like just a part of human history. You know, some places. some stories take place in Egypt and they involve Africans. Okay. It's like, there's plenty of room for every kind of fucking story.

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Thank you.

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He's just got to figure out how to get rid of all the other shit in his life and focus on that. Because you were always so fucking funny. And I was like, how is this guy doing these shows where he's letting people hurt him and all this? Like when you were doing Hurt Bird, I was like, what are you doing? Don't get hurt. And then. I just that also I'd gone through it with Fear Factor.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Like Fear Factor was a great job. Don't get me wrong. Very happy that I got it. It was wonderful. It gave me fuck you money. It gave me the ability to do whatever I want after that. But it was a thing where I was like, this is not what I want to do. What I want to do is what I always do. Just stand up, have fun.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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you know if I was I was doing the UFC back then too so I was like do the UFC commentary things I love doing that's what I want to be doing I don't want to be doing just a job jobs are great don't get me wrong thankful I got it but at a certain point in time if you want to reach your full potential you have to realize like this is holding me back and sometimes people don't want to tell you that because it's a job and it's a great gig and I've had people I've had people tell me like don't leave Fairfax I'm like what the fuck are you talking about I have to leave I'm like I have to leave I gotta go

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You carry those. Those are real. That's brain damage. Those little times they get dinged in the gym, that's real. That's brain damage. That's brain damage. And like I told you, when I was a kid, we did a lot of brain damage.

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I've had a lot. My last one was just a couple years ago, skiing, last time skiing.

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Well— My knee did get, I did fracture one of the bones in the top of my tibia. No, which one's the, yeah, tibia and then the fibula's the little one, right? Fibula's in the shin, right? Yeah, I cracked the tibia, which that healed, but the real problem was the head. My head, I fell on my head. My skis went up in the air and I hit the ground head first.

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yeah and it was a helmet yeah yeah yeah for sure yeah but it was a bang like i got rocked and i was like oh like that was a big one and then the rest of the day i was like dizzy i wasn't my balance was all bad it was not good it was not good and then i was like i'm done with the skiing thing because i always worried about my knees because i still i you know i still love doing martial arts and if i'm not doing it i don't feel good

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But that's not understandable, right? Like, my stand-up, I'd only done...

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Like I like to hit the back. I like to have my joints work perfectly. I like to have my skills still there. I like to do it. It's fun to do. So anything that takes that away from me, like skiing just for a thrill.

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I love a real hug, yeah. A real hug where someone loves you. Yeah. You know? You know I love you, so I give you a love hug.

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by then i'd only done like a couple things that were out that were available and i was on the hugest show in television fear factor was fucking gigantic it was massive nuts it was massive monday nights yeah it was a fun job you know it's a big show when 20 years later you remember the night it was on but this is what's important even though it was the number one show in the country i still had that feeling like i don't want to really be doing this

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This is why people keep themselves occupied when they're so fucking bored because it's 38 degrees below zero outside.

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They'd quit all this. They wouldn't be doing any of this. This is ridiculous. You could fucking die.

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Yeah, and injuries are not good. And this is coming from a person who's had a bunch of surgeries. I've had three knee surgeries, had my nose operated on. Oh, let me tell you my game changer, mouth tape.

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Game changer. Game changer. I know people say this, and I know it's like one of those fucking fitness influencer things where people are selling something. I got no skin in the game, okay? I'm not selling nothing. I don't have anything for sale. I use a company called Hostage Tape. I'm sure there's other ones that are great, but Hostage Tape makes me laugh.

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You take this tape and you put it over your mouth when you sleep. Now, I have sleep apnea, so I wear a mouthpiece. And my mouthpiece has a tongue depressor. So the mouthpiece is fitted to my lower jaw. And the tongue depressor keeps my tongue from falling back on my throat. So I don't block my airway because I have a big tongue.

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And I have a fat neck. So it's like the air hole, it gets clogged up by the tongue. So the tongue depressor works. And then I put the tape over my mouth. So I'm not using my mouth at all. Thank God I got my nose fixed in like 15 years ago or something like that. Best decision I've ever made in my life. Best decision I've ever made. One of the best.

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Is that the one where you had to, like, pull shit out of your nose? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was on the road with Tommy, and I would show him the boogers, and he would, like, almost vomit because the boogers were insane. So once you get your nose operated on, like, I had... Probably 12 nose breaks, maybe more, by the time I got my nose operated on. Holy shit.

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So the inside of it was all calcified. Like, all the inside. Just like cauliflower ear, that was the inside of my nose. Like, it was all just clogged. I spoke like my nose was stuffed. This was how my voice was.

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It's also getting older. Your voice is definitely deeper. So that's me with the- Wait, that's you? Yeah, when I got the nose plugs. So that's after the operation. So- Oh, my God. That's it right there. Look how big your nose is. Well, it's all swollen right there. Anyway, so if you have a deviated septum, I can't recommend it enough. It's such a huge thing to do.

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It opens up your nose, and you get like 10% more cardio. My jujitsu changed totally. Like my gas in jiu-jitsu was way better. I was like, this is crazy. Why didn't I do this a long time ago? From breathing through your nose and not your mouth? No, because you breathe through both.

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So you have more airs coming in.

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I'm happy to do it. I'm very thankful that I got the job. I worked with some amazing people. It was a lot of fun. We had a great crew. Really fun time. But I didn't want to do it. I wanted to do this. I didn't know I wanted to do this because this wasn't a thing. But once I figured it out, I was like, oh, this is what I want to do.

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Yeah, you have a deviated septum for sure.

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Yeah, you were telling me.

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Yeah, we were trying to decide where the tonsils were, and you were explaining the tonsils were actually on the side, and your wife was calling it a goozle.

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She's this little thing, whatever the word is, the technical word.

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So I put the mouthpiece in, and then I tape up my mouth.

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Yeah. So this is the thing. I don't snore at all anymore. Zero snoring. Like I'm silent.

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No, no, no, no. I don't have anything. No, but I woke up the first day I did. I was like, holy shit. I feel so much better. Like instantaneously noticed the difference. Like I was like 30 percent more rested. Something like that. Just like a significant number where I could feel it. I was like, whoa. And I've been doing it that way for like a week now.

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You should get that done too. No. Yeah, you should. It's the worst. Your guts are going to poke out of your stomach. That's what it is. They already do, Joe. That's gross. No, I mean your gut's guts, not fat.

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Do they poke out right now? Ew, let me see. No. Show me. Can you make it poke out?

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Okay. I'm watching Bert do a sit-up, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, that's scary, dude. So that's a rip in the center of your stomach?

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Oh, dude. How long ago?

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You should get it fixed and get your nose fixed too. Just get it fixed. Just bite the bullet. Don't live with a compromised body. They know how to fix those things. You should get it fixed. Like the nose thing's giant. Breathe out of your nose, you change your fucking life. I couldn't do yoga class. The instructor, he would get mad at me. He's like, you have to breathe out of your nose.

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I want to do this in stand-up in the UFC, which is like, to me, it's not even a job. It's like a vacation.

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I'm like, I don't have a nose. It doesn't work. Like it doesn't work. My nose, I had like one quarter of one nostril. That was the only thing that was open.

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Yeah, my right side was completely closed. So it wasn't just deviated, it was just... Luke Rockhold, former UFC champion, had a post that he did about his nose recently, where they were going through his nose with one of those cameras, and so you could see what's in there. It's the same thing. His is completely clogged up. You hear Justin Gaethje talk, his nose is totally clogged up.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

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Like, there's a lot of the—and Justin actually got his nose fixed, and then he fought Max Holloway, and I think that might have put it back again. Oh, my God.

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What's the— I was doing jiu-jitsu six weeks later.

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3514.73

Yeah, but I mean, six weeks later, I was fine. I didn't take any pain pills. No, I wasn't. I mean, I was fine to roll, but I was fine, fine the next day. Yeah, I had to have those stupid fucking things in my nose for a while. I forget how long that lasted. But then when they pulled those out, I was good to go. But the doctor, I remember this. The doctor gave me two pain pill prescriptions.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

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He was insistent on giving me these pain pill prescriptions. And I was like, okay. I go, but it doesn't hurt now. So is it going to hurt more later? And he's like, it might. I go, but it might not, right? Like, he goes, but you should have these. Like, he wanted to write me these pain pill prescriptions. I was like, this is kind of creeping me out, man.

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3556.107

Because I had already known a bunch of people that had pill problems back then. But it was just weird that he wanted to write me two of them. And I told him, I go, listen, I just had knee surgery a couple months ago. And I go, I didn't. It wasn't even a couple years ago, rather. And I didn't take any pain medication. I go, I don't like it. I just did it.

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I just had the surgery and then just dealt with the pain. I'd rather deal with the pain than that feeling. I don't like that feeling. I got ACL surgery way back in the day. And they gave me Vicodins or one of those type of things. Percocets or Vicodins. I forget what it was. But I remember feeling so stupid. I was like, well, this is not for me.

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Like whatever this is, I'd rather be in pain than have my fucking brain just filled with like cotton. It just felt like it was just like clogged up. Like I couldn't, it wouldn't work right. Like it was terrible.

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But my doctor, he just wanted me to take these pills.

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Oh, for me it was 97.

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Doctors get a variety of rewards, I'm finding out. They get a variety of rewards depending upon how many people in their practice get vaccinated. Yeah. And if they lose a certain percentage, if they, like, have less than a certain percentage, then they don't get payouts.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

3643.16

There's some weird shit that's involved in medicine that's financial incentives that don't necessarily align up with, you know, your best health. And I think that doctors profit off of providing people with pain pills, especially when you have a legitimate reason to want to take pain pills. But I really don't think you should take them.

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At least I don't take – I just don't – I think if you have something horribly wrong with you and you're in agony all day, I totally understand. But for a regular thing, like you hurt your back a little bit, so now you're on OxyContin, like –

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Well, you know, if you're a person who's a martial artist and you're a fan of martial arts,

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They fucking get everybody, bro.

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If you get a job to do that, like if you get a job to talk about martial arts and to express your love for it and your appreciation for the athletes, appreciation for the fighters and what they have to go through to get to where they're at and the magnitude of their accomplishments and to put words to that, like to be able to do that for a living, that's an honor. That's how I feel. Oh, yeah.

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What percentage of this country is hooked on oxys right now? It's got to be like a scary percentage.

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Xanax is the leading cause of dementia?

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And he's like, that's not my exact words, Bert. God damn it. Yeah, you might have fucked that up. We might want to delete that.

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Well, it's definitely not good for your brain. It's one of the most dangerous drugs to get off.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

3839.503

Yeah. There's only a few things that people die if they get addicted to, and then you cut them off. One of them is alcohol. Really? Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, yeah. You have to be a complete drunk. And somehow or another, your body shifts into surviving drinking alcohol all the time. You're killing yourself for sure, but your body relies on it. I forget what the mechanism is, but there's an actual mechanism. There's some sort of a shift when your body's got so much alcohol. And then when you get off alcohol entirely, you can die.

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Oh, you have a stroke. I don't know what the cause of death is, but I know that benzos is another drug that does that. When you get off of it, you can die. It's one of those things. If you just cold turkey benzos, if you're popping Xanax all day long and you're like, I'm done, you can die.

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We've been friends for a long time, brother.

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3949.039

Squat, lean back. It's called bad form.

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3953.982

It's called back injury waiting to happen. Lean back and squat. That sounds crazy.

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3967.708

Those are great for like rotational force too.

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397.359

It's like it's an honor. It's an honor. And I feel like I do a good job at it and I like doing it and I'm super passionate about it and I don't do it – Because it's a job, I do it because I love it. I don't need to do it. I could have quit a long time ago. I could just watch it. We're doing a fight companion this weekend. It's going to be fun. We're going to hang out. What are you doing Saturday?

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You know, Viking shit. You know what I'm saying?

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Okay.

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3988.574

Really?

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3989.475

Wow. So you don't work out on your own at all?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

3994.631

Okay, so you must like that, right? Where you get alone time.

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4002.615

Yeah, alone time is big. So that's what I like the most about working out by myself. I can figure out what to do. I know what to do. So I just program my own shit.

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4076.275

Right.

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Dude. I tell you about my friend in Colorado. They let wolves loose near his land. No. Yeah, they just let wolves loose in Colorado. They let a bunch loose in one part of the state, and then they let a bunch more loose. He said there was five. I don't know if that's accurate, but that's what he was told. And... For what purpose? They've decided to repopulate the state with wolves.

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4110.6

And they're getting wolves from like British Columbia. So these big ass fucking Canadian wolves are coming in and fucking the elk up. And this is outside of Aspen. So these are like all these really wealthy people. Holy shit. And they let wolves loose on their property. And by the way, there's livestock there. These people have cattle. They have all sorts of-

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4130.044

So far, the wolves in his area haven't attacked cattle because there's an abundance of elk up there. It's a very it's a big elk corridor where the elk migrate. And I took a picture and posted it up on Instagram of an elk leg that he found just like within two weeks of them being released. He had already started killing elk on his property.

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4153.105

So a wolf took out an elk and left the leg bone just laying in the snow. Wait, how many wolves did they let go? Five, he thinks.

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4166.288

I don't know if they will pack up. I don't know if they knew each other before. I don't know what the fucking neighborhood. Did they grow up together? Yeah. So that's what we found. Oh, shit. So that's an elk leg that's just been stripped down. The lower leg, no meat on it. Just the hoof and some fur and shit is laying in it. Just a bunch of disturbed areas. It was all fucked up.

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4192.12

You could tell some shit went down. So we found that piece there. They had dragged that from somewhere else. But there was a carcass up there too. So they basically can kill... they could probably kill one or two elk a day and they probably will do that now. And so the elk population will rapidly diminish. The elk have no idea. They've never evolved around wolves. These elks,

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

42.486

We really have. It's nice, like, having friends that you've been friends with for just decades, you know.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4221.095

These elk are in, like, who knows how many generations with no wolves. So the United States had wolves all throughout the West, and then they eradicated them because they fucking kill everything. Because they kill livestock, they kill horses, they pack up, they get big packs, and then they devastate livestock, sheep herders, cattle. So they all murdered all the wolves.

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4243.163

So now these people, these greenies, these little cutie pies, decided to bring back the most intelligent...

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4250.706

telepathic apex predator that operates in packs and you decide to let them loose near a ski town like congratulations why the fuck because because they're cute because these are people that grew up in cities and they don't understand it's called ballot box biology it's a bunch of people who grew up in the city they don't know what the fuck they're doing and they don't know what a wolf really is they just think wildlife's amazing

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4275.877

And then so you've let loose apex predators in an area where nothing is prepared for them. These animals don't know to look for wolves. They've never experienced a wolf before. They don't have a natural instinct to run away when they see the wolves. They don't know what the fuck is going on.

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428.521

Right now.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4296.598

Of course not. Well, here's even better. The first ones they got, so they had a mandate to get these. Colorado voted. They voted to release wolves. And so the governor had to get it done within a certain period of time. And so they got wolves from Oregon that had been killing cattle.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4314.249

So these wolves, they captured them because they had been killing cattle, and then they released them in Colorado where they, wait for it, started killing cattle.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4326.976

Duh. So wolves are awesome, but they were making their way into Colorado by themselves. They were already coming down from Wyoming. There's wolves in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, and they were making their way down naturally. But these idiots decided to accelerate the process and introduce this completely new element outside of a fucking ski town that's going to kill people's dogs for sure.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4349.66

If they get to a healthy population, you're never going to be able to let your dog go outside. That's over. Cats, dead. Everybody dead.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4365.287

I saw a coyote jump a fence with one of my chickens in its mouth. Jumped a six foot high wrought iron fence like it was nothing. Touched the top of the fence with its feet with a chicken in its mouth and right over the top. I was like, whoa. I was so delusional. I thought like, oh, this fence is this big. They can't get over that. Dude, one jump. One jump. Feet to the top. Other feet to the top.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4388.689

Over the top with a chicken in his mouth.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4394.909

Oh, they won't jump over a red light?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4402.653

They're little monsters. They're wolves, too, by the way.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4405.675

Coyotes are wolves. Yeah, they're small wolves.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4413.18

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4417.321

Yeah, they try to honeydick your dog. So what they do is they, one coyote, I've told this story before, but I'll say it quick. I went to this pet store that I used to go to. And one of the guys that worked in the pet store, he was a veterinarian. And he brought in... Someone had brought in this pit bull that was covered in cuts. Like his whole body was like hundreds of stitches.

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4440.737

And he's like, what happened? He was like, I don't know. He got out. And then, you know, when I came home, he was outside the fence. And this is what he looked like. So this guy, they stitched the dog up. And then he follows a blood trail into the woods outside of his house where he finds nine dead coyotes.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4460.695

So they honeydicked a giant pit bull, like one of them super jacked, muscular pit bulls with a fucking fire hydrant head. The kind that are on the front of rap albums. Terrifying pit bull. And this pit bull just killed everyone. They fucked with the John Wick of pit bulls. And he just killed them all. Killed all the coyotes. He said it looked like Vietnam. He said they were just torn apart.

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4484.907

Because once the dog killed them, he's not going to stop. He's going to start shaking them. Especially a pit bull like that that's in a blood rage to just fight for its life. Like, he was probably so happy. Like, so happy to do this because pit bulls just want to fight all the time. I've been wanting to do this every fucking day I wake up. He was so pumped.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4505.437

It was the guy who has a jiu-jitsu black belt and a drunk grab. And he was like, thank you. Thank you. I've been practicing for this my whole life. But you imagine the scene. Imagine a scene just dead coyotes just ripped apart, just throats torn open, guts hanging out, legs broken. Because if a dog like that bites a coyote's leg, that leg's broken. That's a shattered leg.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4532.803

That leg doesn't work anymore.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4537.686

You know what a wolf is? What? It's like five times stronger. Are you shitting me? Yeah. That's how crazy these retards are that let loose these apex telepathic super predators into a ski town.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4551.312

filled with super rich people and the super rich people right now they're finding out about this they are freaking the fuck out i bet they are oh yeah all my my buddy who lives out there all his neighbors they're all trying to figure out what they can do you know they're all collared too so there's an app and you can get on the app and find out where the monsters are yeah you want to get scared i want to get hang on i gotta get that app how about you're walking how about you're walking and then you see the fucking app is showing you they're behind you

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4581.463

All five of them behind you and you're with your family. But maybe you voted on that because you think wolves are amazing. That's Little Red Riding Hood, bro. We can track these wolves on an app. We can track them on an app. That's kind of cool. It's kind of cool to know where the monsters are. They do that with sharks, great white sharks.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4600.63

But these people in the neighborhood are all tracking these wolves. So they're all freaking out because these wolves are like circling their homes, circling their property. Some of them have gone right through fields with cattle and not done anything about it. Yeah. They don't even understand why. They haven't attacked any cattle yet. But these are ones that are outside of Aspen.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4621.132

So the ones that they brought in from Oregon, that's not outside of Aspen. That's a different spot. Those are the ones that were, they were depredation tags. They were already killing wildlife or they were killing cattle.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4642.904

Oh, yeah. That's a good call. Florida's fucking crazy. No, Florida, for sure. Florida, now, because you brought in reptiles. Yeah, 100%. Florida has more pythons in it, in the Everglades, than all the rest of the world.

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465.852

Well, we're all very lucky. That's absolutely sure. No dispute. We're all very lucky. If you're listening to this, you're very lucky because you can fucking hear. How about that?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4660.288

I had Python Cowboy on the show. He brought me up. Don't we have a python head laying around here somewhere? Something?

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4684.455

Vermont? What is that?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4686.697

Okay, so the one with the boot. This is not good, guys. The boot is Massachusetts, right? Or no, that's New York. New York. We're so stupid. You know who could draw the whole map by hand? Al Franken.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4701.454

Vermont. Okay, yeah, it's Massachusetts. What predators are in Vermont? With the hook. Okay, so Vermont predators. Yeah, what predators are in Vermont? That must be like wolverines and shit. Oh, red and gray foxes. Coyotes, black bears, fishers, bobcats, and red and gray foxes with wolves and lynx also present. Although the later are rare. Ladder.

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4735.55

When you say I got my hose all wrapped up, I thought you had your ladies making money.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4741.308

My hose is wrapped up. They're making that money. I got my hose wrapped up. Have you ever had a rattlesnake on your property out here?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4750.074

Out here, we've had one. One of my neighbors had a couple coral snakes in her garage. Those are scary.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

476.095

If you're watching it, you're very lucky that you can see. You're very lucky that you can afford a phone. You're very lucky. Like, most of the world lives in utter poverty. And that's the unfortunate reality of all these people virtue signaling about the 1%. Like, bitch, you're in the 1%. You're in the 1% of the world.

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4770.762

I don't know what the, but my old house in California, there was a bunch of them.

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4777.346

Yeah, I was in a place where there was a lot of wildlife.

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4784.45

What does that mean?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4787.732

Oh, to help identify venomous coral snakes. Oh, I see. So some coral snakes are not venomous?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4805.124

But that... Go back to that image, Jamie. The one on the top, red touches yellow, kill a fellow. That's it. So that's the one that'll kill it. Red touches black, scarlet kingsnake, harmless. Interesting.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4820.074

I would not remember this. I would fuck that up. That thing looks like it will fucking for sure kill you.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4827.916

Red touches yellow, kill a fellow. That's the one. That's all you have to remember. Red touches yellow, kill a fellow. Black and yellow, black and yellow. That's red touches yellow. Fuck that creature. So my friend, she had two of them. In her garage. Yeah, not good. Not good. But my old house, my, remember, did you ever meet Frank? You never met Frank.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4849.204

I used to have this pit bull named Frank Sinatra. And Frank would- I only knew Johnny. Frank killed everything. Everything that got in that yard was dead.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4857.988

Yeah, he was a psycho. And he would kill rattlesnakes all the time. So he'd get bit all the time. So like fucking- I'm like, wait, how did he not get bit? He got bit every time. So I have to keep bringing him to the fucking vet. I brought him to the vet, like, at least three times. And one time I had to bring him twice because he got to the vet.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4876.516

He had been bitten by rattlesnakes so many times that he had developed some sort of an immunity. So I brought him the first time. And we're all at the vet. He was super friendly. He was the sweetest dog. Loved everybody. But, like, vicious with snakes and lizards. Lizards are like his video game. He would, like, jump on the walls to try to get the lizards that were crawling on the wall.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4895.083

He would leap a fucking leap into the air trying to get these lizards So I brought him to the vet and the vets like I don't see a puncture mark And he's not swelling so I wouldn't worry about it, and I'm like wow How the fuck did you kill that snake and not get bit and then I brought him back to the house?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4913.75

He swole back up again, so then I had to bring him back to the vet the vets like he's been stung He's been bit so many times that he probably has some sort of immunity Jesus yeah

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4929.434

I would assume that would fuck you up.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4932.955

It kills king cobras. Look how beautiful it is. It's a Malaysian blue coral. Somewhere, there's some idiot in Florida in a death metal band that wants this. And he's going to have it in his house until he can't feed it anymore. It's like, little fella, got to let you go. And he's going to let it loose. And it's going to go in the fucking Everglades.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4948.658

And then you're going to have a half a million of them there.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

495.002

If you make $34,000 in America, you're in the 1% of the world. How about that? Wow. Yep. That's real.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4953.032

Of course he did. Look at him.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4967.798

Oh.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4980.35

How about all that? How about snakes are the reason why we wear clothes? A snake tricked Eve into eating that fucking apple, and now we're ruined. All right? Now we have to have Jesus come save us.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

4997.955

I had one idea that was the dumbest idea. The snake guy. What is going on?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

5032.09

He's like, sure thing, buddy. So I had this one idea once. I had this house. you know Thank you.

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511.387

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

5815.877

Is that like a recurve bow, or is that a bow with a release?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

5825.584

Yeah, that's better. A compound bow, you could be more accurate. So with a compound bow, I don't know how to aim with a recurve bow at all. I've only shot one like three or four times ever. And I went on this trip to Lanai with my family. And one of the things that they had was like this little archery lesson. You could take archery classes and shoot at little targets. And they had recurve bows.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

5846.519

I'd never shot a bow without a sight before. So I was like trying to like line it up.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

5851.142

Line up where the – how do you know where the arrow is going to go?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

5878.51

It's fun. It's definitely fun, but it's kind of like throwing a rock or throwing a baseball. You've got to have a feel for where that baseball is going to go at 30 yards, at 40 yards, at 50 yards. If you had to throw a baseball and hit a tree, you would know, okay, I've got to throw it a little harder. You get a feel. Yeah. So that's different than regular archery, or excuse me, compound archery.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

5902.733

Because compound archery, you're basically relying on the sight and the technique. You dial it in, you get that pin, it's at 42 yards, and then you're just going through your shot process. You're just staying steady and making sure you go through your shot process perfect so that when the shot breaks, the arrow goes exactly where you want to.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

5921.283

But with a recurve, you have to practice all the time because you have to have that feel. You have to feel and know where that arrow is going to go. Like you're looking down the shaft of your arrow, but your accuracy is... greatly diminished compared to like a compound bow.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

5950.939

Well, that's an interesting thing. So use a release on a recurve. I'm sure people do that. You'd have to put a D loop on it though. Or no, I guess not. You could hold it from the top or the bottom. That would be better. Yeah, that would definitely be better. So you definitely get a more consistent release. But people want to be primitive.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

5965.546

You know, like the real psychos, what happens is guys, the highest level of bow hunting is guys go after like elk and deer with a recurve bow. My friend Aaron Schneider did that for a couple of years. He only shot because he's like an elite hunter, like an elite bow hunter.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

5985.098

You're not getting nearly the amount of kinetic energy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

5988.419

So the kinetic energy you would get from a compound bow, like Aaron's a big guy. He's pretty jacked. And so his bow is like an 82, 85-pound bow probably. And he's a big guy, so he's probably got a 30-inch draw somewhere around there. So he's getting insane amounts of kinetic energy in these arrows.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6019.153

Yeah. It's set up for your wingspan. Like you're, you're taller than me. So you're, what is your, your, do you know where your draw length is?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6027.731

Your draw length's probably 29 1⁄2, maybe 30 inches. Mine's 28. So I used to have 28 1⁄2, and then I dropped down to 28, and I adjusted a few things, and I feel like the more tension at the end, like the further back you are, like I know guys who want extra energy, and so they're what's called overdrawn.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6048.038

So they maybe should have a 27-inch draw, but they have a 29-inch draw, and they have their release way back here. So they're shooting things totally different. You would never tell anybody to do that. But some guys get really good doing that. And then they just stick with it. It's all about repeatability. But Cam taught me. Cam, he's smaller. His draw is a little bit smaller than mine. His is 27.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6071.629

And he had a longer draw. He started out with a longer draw as well. But then brought it. For him, the ultimate thing is accuracy. And he's like, when you're... your bow is more tense, more taut, and there's more tension on it, if it's a shorter draw length, you're more accurate. You want to get it perfect. You want exactly what your frame is.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6091.365

And for me, it seems like 28 inches is the right number.

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6113.438

90.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

612.788

And if you're watching on YouTube, you can get your four free months by scanning the QR code on screen or by clicking the link in the description. I always think luck is a perspective. You work hard, dude. You're not just lucky. You work hard. You work real hard. You're always touring. You're always doing things. You're always putting together new shit. You're always working.

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6144.126

315?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6144.146

325. 325 for how many?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6148.127

That's impressive. That's a lot of weight. It's dangerous for your shoulders, though. That's why I don't like it.

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6176.417

What? Remember? Because you went on stage. I go, dude, you look different now. It's not as funny when you take your shirt off because I'm like, he's fucking jacked. You look like a football player. You look like a tank abbot. That's what you look like. A big bouncer. He was a bad motherfucker.

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6198.59

Bro, Tank Abbott, he put UFC on the map.

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6217.998

Don Fry.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6230.191

So that was your first, her first one live.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6232.534

Have you seen one? You saw one live at the Apex.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6237.74

Oh, that's right. That's right. That was a good one too.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6242.745

That made me angry. Don't ever buy tickets.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6260.83

Well, you told me you were going to slap fight. I'm like, okay, you're here.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6264.071

Like, I didn't know if you were set up yet.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

6281.081

No, there's no one better than Theo for a hang, just talking shit, being silly.

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6304.369

What a fucking crew.

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6312.497

Bro, we went gambling with him and Jamie and Shane and Dana White in Vegas. And I watched him be down. Dana was betting for him. Dana was telling him what to bet.

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and they have this system okay whatever yeah he's up he's up like a considerable amount of money over the course of all the times they've been gambling but they gamble heavy very and jamie and i were getting severe anxiety they were down 125 000 in the first five minutes do you remember that how scary was that

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You're always hustling. Like, it's not just luck. It's luck plus, you know, you love to party, but... You also have a great work ethic, and that's very, very important, man. It's like you can't just be lucky. Lucky's huge. You've got to get lucky. But also, if you work really hard, you tend to get luckier, especially if you're smart and if you're willing to take risks.

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What do you have to do? Do you have to give me your credit card?

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How do you get a bank transfer in the middle of the night? You have to call your bank?

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And you had established?

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Financial guys around in Vegas?

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Oh, so it was daytime.

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$600,000?

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Yeah, he was down $600,000. And he stayed all night, and he was there until like 5 o'clock in the morning, and he got it back and was up $600,000 when he left.

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He is a blackjack.

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6455.33

I don't even know what that is. What is Baccarat?

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Oh. If I was on a quiz show and someone explained Baccarat, I'd be like, fuck! I should fucking know that. Rikki-tikki-tobby? I don't know. I know what craps is. I know how that works. I don't know how it works. No, I do not know the rules, like what is the come line and all that shit.

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I know what it is.

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They throw the dice, but all the different come and the fucking lines. Yeah.

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And that's one that you get your wife to kiss the dice, and then you throw it. Oh, yeah. You get her to throw it for you, and she gets on a hot streak.

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Why did he say it was a bad roll?

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What is this?

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For you, the Travel Channel thing, that was a risk. You had to listen to your friends, and you had to go, you know what? They're fucking right. Everybody else is cooking right now, and my stand-up's kind of stalled out because I'm doing this TV show. And again, it's coming from someone who was there.

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What?

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Four hours and 18 minutes later, DeMauro had rolled a world record for craps rolls. She rolled 154 times. The odds of accomplishing this are 1 in 1.56 trillion. Do you know how much money she made the people at that table? What does that mean? So she rolled the same number every time?

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6608.607

See, this is why it's confusing. They try to pretend it's not confusing.

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Or you're going to get addicted to doing that, and you're going to want to do it all the time. That's what she sees coming. She sees it coming like she sees everything else. She's like, no, big guy. Give me those pills. I got the ick on all of it. Yeah, she's right. She's right. I mean, look, Danny's got a lot of money. He makes a lot of money. He can do that. He likes doing that.

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It works somehow or another. It wouldn't work for me. No. It's not my thing. It's not my thing. But for some people, he loves living in Vegas. He loves playing. He loves Vegas. Loves it. Loves it. He's got the town wired. Why wouldn't he love it? The sport's there all the time. We've got the UFC PI there, so there's fights there almost every month. There's a fight at the Apex, at least.

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And I'm telling you that if you're making millions and you still feel that way versus if you're making thousands and you still feel that way, you got to trust me. There's another way to get through this. And the other way we found. We got, you know, we were right.

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Oh, he's definitely a character, yeah.

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6752.357

Yeah. He was great in the show, too. He was great in American Primeval. He's great. He's been in a bunch of movies, but I think he really shines as a filmmaker.

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Apple's making some banging shows, man.

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6787.316

Damn, Slow Horses on Netflix.

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Oh, no, on Apple.

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He's the third best vampire movie. It's his Dracula. Oh, his Dracula? His Dracula was very good. It was very good.

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They're the most fun. The most fun. Some poor dude. He's like, the moon changes. He's like, fuck. And just waking up covered in blood, like what happened? The idea of it is just so crazy. I just always loved werewolf movies.

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6871.965

It was good. It just petered out. There was some real great moments in it. We played it a bunch of times, but the one when they're in the theater, the medical theater, and he's trying to convince this guy that the guy's insane. He's like, I'm here to show you that he will not turn into a wolf. He thinks he will. And so they have him strapped up. It's like, I'm going to kill you all.

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Look, we fucking saw light at the end of the tunnel. We're like, this is the way to go.

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6894.355

It's an amazing transformation scene. But Rick Baker did that film, the same guy that did American Werewolf in London. Yeah, it's the werewolf that we have in the lobby. That's the greatest werewolf movie of all time. No question. Because it's John Landis. It's actually funny. There's funny moments in it. It's really fucking good. It's a good movie.

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6915.554

They did a great job of only showing the wolf a little bit. So you're really scared when you actually see it. They don't get you numb to the thing being there. So this is the theater scene. He starts changing... So this is like they did a combination of CGI and makeup. So the thing about CGI is like right there, that's CGI. CGI, you kind of know it's CGI. There's the uncanny valley effect, right?

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And so when he fully transforms in the scenes where he's attacking people, he's an actor. He's Benicio Del Toro, but with all these prosthetics on. And it looks much more realistic, like the way it moves, the way it behaves. Like when he goes after these people, it seems... Well, go back up so you can see it rip the guy's heart out. Oh, he threw the dude through the window.

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His back up a little bit before that is when he tears the guy apart.

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No, everybody thought I was out of my mind for even doing mine. Like people mocked me openly. Like Howard Stern famously mocked all people that were doing podcasts. You're wasting your time. But in his mind, that was correct because he didn't have this – he wasn't an internet kid. I'm not an internet kid, but I used to build my own computers in the 90s.

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See, so when it's a dude in a costume with all the fur on it, the way it moves is just, they can't quite fix that.

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It's not quite there. It still gives you that thing where there's a suspension of disbelief. But when they use makeup, like they did in American Werewolf in London, and the transformation scene in American Werewolf in London, do you remember that one?

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The guy's in the bedroom or in the living room, and he just starts fucking, and his back pops up, and he stretches out and starts getting covered in hair.

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No, I think it's Bad Moon on the Rise.

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7059.134

The guy who did Nosferatu is going to do a werewolf movie now.

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7070.962

But the mummy with Tom Cruise is not the mummy, the scary mummy from when we were kids.

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7116.529

Original, original.

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Oh, that's right, that's right.

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I love Brandon Fraser's revival. Isn't it amazing? Dude. Isn't it great when a guy comes back, and not just comes back, but comes back and kills it in a movie, and then has this heartfelt speech where he's tearing up and crying, and everybody loves him again. Yeah. That must have felt awful for that guy. He was this giant movie star.

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He was in all these giant films, and then for whatever reason, he just kind of faded away.

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Allegedly. Allegedly is a great word.

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7178.803

Maybe he said it.

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Right, with Kim Basinger.

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721.371

I used to go to Fry's Electronics and get motherboards and hard drives. And yeah, my friend Andrew used to help me over the phone. I'd call him. He's like a wizard tech guy. And so I had bought all these high-end gaming computers and upgraded the video cards and I was on all these like crazy websites. We'd send each other like, you know, those are the two girls, one cup days.

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I would have said it. Thank you. You know what's a great movie that people have slept on they forgot about with him? Chinatown. Wait, is he in Chinatown? No, what was it called? Chinatown was Jack Nicholson, but there was another, there was a Chinatown, god damn it, Year of the Dragon. Year of the Dragon. What's Year of the Dragon? That's what it was.

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So I was in fucking high school, man. Wow. This is the year I graduated high school. It's a good movie, though, man. Real good movie. It might not hold up. Really hot Chinese lady falls in love with her. Oh, baby.

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7324.4

He's great in that 1923 show though. Have you been watching that?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

7329.861

Oh, this is the one I just saw. Yeah, we were talking about that. I just watched episode four last night. He's great in that.

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He's cool. Do you know that scene where the guy pulls out the sword, starts swinging it around, and he just shoots him? Yeah. You know he improvised that? Yeah. That's fucking amazing. Amazing scene. He improvised it.

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Yeah. Perfect. That's what you hope always happens.

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Also, he was a professor that was like secretly dangerous. Secretly out there doing real archaeology. He had a whip. Here it is. There's a scene. They were supposed to have this whole choreographed thing with a sword and the whip. Perfect scene.

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7433.777

No, it's got to be Tom Cruise, right?

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7437.5

Tom Cruise, well, he wasn't in the new Top Gun, was he? Yeah, he was. I didn't watch it. You didn't watch it? Oh, I did watch a little of it. Oh, it's so good. I turned it off after a while. I cried at the end. I turned it off after a while. What's that?

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Oh, he is the most? So he's got Star Wars. He's got Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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7459.357

He's got 20 of them? Wait.

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7464.681

Oh, like a small role?

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Oh, okay. Well, starring in franchises, you get the two big ones. Raiders of the Lost Ark, huge. Star Wars, the hugest of all time.

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747.331

So I was pretty plugged in. What was the guy, Mr. Smiles or something? Oh, Mr. Hands.

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7484.986

Well, I mean.

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He obviously was very fortunate to get cast in those, but also he killed it, right?

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The scene with him and fucking the love tension between him and Carrie Fisher was amazing.

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Oh, your cousins are douchebags. They didn't know either. God. They're bullshitting. They found out and they were like, how did you not know? They were those guys. You know, those guys who just read something and then barks it at you like, how the fuck do you not know this, Matt?

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So I was pretty plugged in to the idea that the internet was something that people were finding stuff that just wasn't available anywhere else. I got all these crazy lectures, these Alan Watts lectures that I downloaded. I'm like, this is nuts. This was back when you had to download stuff, and then you had to upload it to an AirPod. Remember your AirPods with the wheel? Oh, yeah.

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I know shit that doesn't help.

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7578.646

Don't interrupt him. He's a storyteller. He's a great storyteller. And he's a guy, you know, there's a ranch that I hunt at in California, and he was a cowboy on that ranch. Yeah. At one point in time. An actual cowboy. He actually worked and helped to fucking move cattle around.

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There's none of those with that guy. Nothing.

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fucking stories but that's why his stories are so good it's like lived experience very lived experience a real understanding that's like his love for the cowboy culture is like completely legitimate it's why Yellowstone is so good yes you can't you can I mean you can fake it people have faked it before but when someone does it that really loves it that's when it gets people excited and they move to Montana

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7629.477

They decide they will. I want to live that life. It's like Avatar depression.

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It's like people, you know, you get sucked in by someone who's done an amazing job of telling a film or a story in a show. And that's what entertainment is really all about. For me, I'm not looking for any fucking lessons about... Equity and inclusion, diversity. I already think that way. I already think that all human beings are the same.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

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We're all just one thing experiencing each other subjectively, as Bill Hicks said. I believe that. So I don't need that lesson. That lesson just makes me feel like you're preaching to me, and that shit's annoying. I don't like it. I already know these things. Stop. We're doing it for other people. It doesn't work. It doesn't work.

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It just makes people more self-righteous, and they want to talk about it all the time.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

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No, I think definitely people are doing things so that they can show that they're doing things. But if you're actually doing things, like it's a balancing thing. Like if you're experiencing more stuff because you're documenting it for your YouTube channel, you're still experiencing more stuff. I mean you are kind of – you're putting it all out there, but if – you're still experiencing more stuff.

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Like that's probably net positive. The problem is when you find yourself hanging out with your friends, but all you're doing is staring at your phone, you know, and it's a real, it's a real trap that we all get sucked into, especially if you had a good algorithm, you know, it's filled with stuff that pisses you off or freaks you out, which is mine.

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Those were the shit. Oh, I remember that. Yeah, the little wheel that would spun around. I loved that thing. And so I would download all these Terrence McKenna lectures and all these Timothy Leary, all these fascinating conversations that I would download. And then I started thinking about it. And then I was like, well... There's podcasts. So people just like start.

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7785.541

Pull up how many people die in Mount Kilimanjaro.

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7799.935

How many? Three to 10 a year. Oh yeah.

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7806.265

Yeah, that's not good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

7815.566

That's the stupid fucking thing to say. You know how many people definitely don't die on Mount Kilimanjaro that don't go to Mount Kilimanjaro? 100% of them.

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100% of the people that don't go up that fucking stupid mountain. Just get a fucking Oculus and watch that shit. Just watch it. Watch it in your head. You can get videos of it. 340 people have died attempting to reach or return what happened Oh Mount Everest since records began many bodies remain have you ever seen the bodies?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

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Scattered like the map of the bodies where they show where the known dead bodies on Mount Everest are it's terrifying Do you want to know the craziest one sure so the first dude to ever attempt the summit?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

7884.63

Oh, probably.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

7888.371

Probably.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

7919.379

Well, you definitely need those Sherpas can go all the way up there with no oxygen.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

7951.869

They live up there. The adaption is a big part of it, right? Because it takes a long time to be able to adapt to that low of an altitude, or high of an altitude, rather. Look what they're carrying up. Look at that guy carrying that shit on his back. That is crazy. Bro, I walk around with a 45-pound plate, and I complain. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

798.945

Let's just start doing one of those. We just start doing it. And I was like, nobody was listening to them. It was like Adam Carolla had a big one because Adam had just left terrestrial radio. He was the morning guy that replaced Howard Stern when Howard Stern went to XM. Right. So he's he's on or Sirius, whatever it was. So it's both now. So he's on morning radio all over the country.

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Thank you.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8093.387

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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But morning radio is like super stagnant. And they had an L.A. morning radio station where it was all more excuse me, talk radio station. It was all talk radio. So it was Tom Likas. It was him. There was a few other people. I can't remember. Ricky Rockman had a show.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8375.438

Thank you.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

841.877

Phil Hendry was the AM guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8433.322

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

846.321

It's one of the greatest shows of all time. And he's a super nice guy. I met him once in Montreal. So for people who don't know, Phil Hendry. He's the caller and he's the answerer. He does different voices. And he gets people so angry because the callers will say the dumbest fucking shit. And then you'll have actual people calling in to argue with the caller who's all Phil Hendry.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8741.937

That was crazy.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8746.6

He's a funny dude, man. Did you ever see the thing he did about Hawaii? No. Oh, my God. It's so funny. He's in Hawaii. He starts to set up. He goes, I've never seen chickens more confident. What? It's all been about chickens in Hawaii, like just wandered. It's just, it's such a funny bit. It's so, if you've been to Hawaii, you know, there's chickens all over the fucking place. It's kind of crazy.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8773.308

Do you know who else does that? Tommy.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8840.488

Don't. You're going to fuck up. You're going to say something stupid. And they're going to put you in jail. Thank you. Yeah, they arrest people over there. I know. You can't play games in Dubai. Did you see that one lady who went crazy at the airport?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

885.718

So ahead of its time. And once you were in on the joke, it was amazing. Oh, it was amazing. If I was coming home from the store, it was Phil Henry or Art Bell. That's who I listened to. God. The old days. So Art Bell was my favorite. Who was Art Bell? Art Bell was coast to coast with Art Bell from the kingdom of Nye. He was broadcasting from a fucking bunker in the middle of the Nevada desert.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8854.86

Yeah, she got a little rowdy at the airport and started yelling at people. And they're like, that's a wrap. You're going to jail. Dude. They don't fuck around over there, man. I have a friend who moved there, my friend Will, and he's a documentary filmmaker, and he said, like, it's so safe over here. He goes, that's what I love about it.

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He goes, when I was in America, I was like, you go out at night, you're at a club, you're always worried someone's going to pull a gun out, something's going to happen. He goes, there, there's nothing.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8883.292

Right, but what would you- And if you don't know all the rules- It's a real good question. Would you rather have a little bit of danger- And very little rules. Or would you rather have no danger and a lot of rules?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8895.866

I agree. Yeah, I don't want to live in a place where they restrict what you can say and what you do.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8924.43

That's so crazy. You can't wear no shirt. Okay. You guys have crazy rules. Those rules don't make sense.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8932.655

Like, what about Cirque du Soleil? They have to have – they wear shirts? They do. I don't know. They do. I'm making that up. Like, what about MMA? How come they have MMA over there? How can they have MMA? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Are they performing with no shirts on? Yeah. Are you going to make guys wear fucking wetsuits? What are they going to wear?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

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Is it a little different? That's different. They're doing it in a sport. But the point is, like, if you're performing, that's part of your performance. It's like, you know how there's rules in L.A.? Like, if you performed on stage, you were allowed to smoke cigarettes? Yeah. Because it's a part of your performance. So, like, Chappelle was always lighting up even after the rules.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8975.84

And everybody's like, hey, how come he can smoke? Because it was like in the 90s that they passed the laws where you're not allowed to smoke in comedy clubs anymore. Do you remember that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

8988.627

Right, but there was a law before that. You were allowed to smoke in bars.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

90.622

Well, you were always really fun and really funny, but you were always doing these travel channel shows.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

9005.422

Yeah, the air was filled with smoke. Your jeans would smell. Oh, yeah, you always smelled. I always come home from a club back in the 90s, and I'd smell my clothes. They always smell like cigarettes. But you got used to, like, the smoky room. It was, like, part of the thing about a comedy club is, like... When people smoke cigarettes, they're doing something really stupid. Yeah.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

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You know what I mean? And like doing something really stupid and say, fuck it. There's so much fuck it in a cigarette and there's fuck it in a drink and there's fuck it in this guy talking shit on stage. Ah, he sucked his own dick. Ah! It like led to the atmosphere. I loved it in pool halls too. I loved being around the smokers even if I didn't want to have anything to do with it.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

9048.007

Oh, yeah. There was that, right? Well, back in the Tonight Show, the early days. I was watching the other day. I was watching Jackie Gleason on the Tonight Show. And it was the only time I think he was ever on the Tonight Show, which is kind of crazy. But he sat there and immediately lights a cigarette. By the way, he was dead two years later. Yeah. He died of cancer in 87? Google that.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

9075

Yeah, so this is... Those are his cigarettes right there in his little cigarette box. Immediately when he sits down.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2291 - Bert Kreischer

9083.363

Carson also died of cancer.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

9086.24

Look at that, just sitting there. How sweet it is. How sweet it is. That's what he said right there.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

910.296

He had this crazy radio tower outside of his house in the Nevada desert. And he would take calls from time travelers, werewolves, people that are coming from another dimension. Yeah. It was the nuttiest fucking show. For real, one of my greatest career accomplishments that made me the most happy was I got on the Art Bell Show. And I got on it way later when he was on the internet.

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

9106.721

Was it that lady playing golf?

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#2291 - Bert Kreischer

9187.017

That makes sense. Yeah, Argus, old school.

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Unidentified wise guy and his goons picked Carson up off his bar stool and threw him down a flight of stairs before famed saloon owner Jilly Rizzo, whose regulars included Sinatra, Dean Martin, and Judy Garland, interceded and prevented a more serious beatdown. But the mob big wasn't satisfied and put out a contract to have Carson whacked.

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Terrified Carson wisely holed up in his UN Plaza palace for three days, missing three shows, according to the book. The vengeful mobsters only backed off after one of Carson's contacts at the William Morris Agency cut a deal with crime boss Joseph Colombo. Holy shit. What? Oh, the American Civil Rights League. Oh, yeah.

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The mob boss had recently formed the Italian American Civil Rights League to persuade America that a group, the people of Italian descent were being unfairly stereotyped as mafiosi. That's hilarious. The group was planning for a big rally, and Colombo was deeply, deeply disappointed that so far all the networks have refused to cover the rally.

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Soon an accommodation was reached, NBC News covered the rally, and Johnny could leave the apartment. Wow. As for Colombo, he was gunned down in 1971 at the second annual Italian Unity Day rally. Wow. In Columbus Circle. He was left almost totally paralyzed and died in 1978. Holy shit. That was the last of the rallies. I know there's a way around this.

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No one's paying attention to Italian-American civil liberties rally. They're making us look like thugs, like we're going to shoot each other in a rally. Bro. Goddamn. Those were scary days, man. Those were scary, scary days. But that was always a story about the store because the store used to be Ciro's nightclub. So Bugsy Siegel owned Ciro's. Did you know that? I knew that.

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100%. You got a mob-owned nightclub. People are getting shot. I mean, people got shot at the comedy store when we were there. A guy got murdered on the fucking front patio It was a gang hit During like Mo Better Mondays or something Rose was there when it happened Rose saw the guy die Oh shit That's That place has always attracted crazy people.

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I think there's an energy to that place probably because of the gang history. They just made it extra wild and dangerous. It just always felt like anything can happen in that place. I think there's baked-in memories. There's photos of Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis on stage there. That place was like, that was the spot. Like, that was the spot in L.A. And the mob would all be there.

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It wasn't even on radio anymore. But for me, it was like, I got on the Art Bell Show. Yes! It was just like, I just loved that show. It was so fun. Because I'd be driving home. That was his house. So look at, if you see what his house looked like, it's like his house is in the middle of nowhere in the fucking desert. I mean, the middle of nowhere. There's nothing around his house.

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And they'd fucking do deals and whack people and take people down to the basement and fucking kill them.

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I think you had to get off that boat, buddy. I don't think you had a choice. And I think when your friends are running off that boat, you run off that boat too. And guys are getting gunned down. You just hope it's not you. And you're probably just shitting your pants. Shitting my pants. And that one day, how many thousands of people died? Thousands and thousands of people died.

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Just bullets and guns going off everywhere. That fucking movie.

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Yes. Spielberg nailed that movie. That opening scene was so fucking horrific that you'd never seen a scene like that in a war movie that accurately depicts people getting torn apart right in front of you.

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And his house is all fenced in, like chain link fence and shit. It looks like so, it looks so psychotic. Like perfect for a guy that is broadcasting. He's got like this compound in the fucking desert, dude. God. Yeah. It was amazing. And he would broadcast right from there. Because radio, if you have a tower and you have a station, you can broadcast to the whole country. The country can carry it.

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And that was the second time the world had gone to war. The world had gone to war just a couple of decades earlier.

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And this is what drove me crazy. I remember the day. We've talked about it before, but I remember the day. I was in the comedy store, and I was calling you from the main room, and you were on a motorcycle in Vietnam. Ha ha ha! And I think you were drunk.

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Oh my God.

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How cool is their writing? Go back to that. Look at the fucking writing at the bottom. Look how cool that is.

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I thought it was really hard to read.

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That's incredible.

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Really? Yeah. You might have like a secret language ability.

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Yeah, but you could, I took Italian in college. I can't fucking speak Italian. I took Spanish in high school. I can't speak Spanish.

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Yeah. You might have like a hidden ability to learn languages.

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At least you can say something. You can communicate. Something's popping off in Serbia right now. One of the largest protests ever is happening in Serbia right now. For real? 300 plus thousand people in the streets.

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I don't know what's going on. I have no idea what this protest is about. I just saw it in the news feed popped up, record-sized protest to Serbia.

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Okay. So was it like some corruption or something, like some shitty construction? Like what happened? We, quote, we just want a country that works, law student says. Wow. So hundreds of thousands of people in the streets because a rail station collapsed? That's what it says on BBC. I'm looking to see if it makes more insight. Interesting. They don't take any shit over there. Dude.

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Figure it out, bitch.

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Yeah.

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So the whole country was carrying coast to coast with Art Bell. And this wild motherfucker is out in the middle of nowhere in the desert. in like a compound talking to aliens.

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Bro, these war-torn countries are not playing games. Bro? They breed different humans. That's when those guys come over to the UFC. They're different humans.

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How long before these guys take over basketball?

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Yeah, they're taking over MMA. They're taking over boxing.

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Fucking farmers carrying weights around.

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That was the most terrifying basketball game I've ever seen in my life. Imagine showing an American basketball crowd what they do in Serbia. You'd be like, oh no, they're coming.

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Look at this. Give me some volume.

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Oh, yes. Well, we owe all we have today to Howard Stern and Art Bell, for sure, because we are kind of like a combination of Howard Stern and Art Bell. And if it wasn't for – he's the guy that got arrested or didn't get arrested, but he got fined heavily by the Bush administration. This is back when the Republicans were the ones that were trying to censor people, which you should always realize.

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That's like fight night intensity.

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Anomalous in terms of what we know we're capable of?

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Like what is an example of anomalous that exceeds our capabilities?

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Is this one? Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's definitely a plane. Yeah. Is that the one?

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Right, that might be the one that I saw. I did watch a video. Did you see the video of the plane that crashed in Texas? Pretty crazy. I'll send you that. It's unrelated.

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How are you going to do it, though, without the government? What would you do right now? Let's say Trump never calls you. You've got to go figure it out. What are you going to do?

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So if there is a ship that's launching them off the coast. What kind of technological capabilities would that ship have to have to be there undetected, where they don't know where these things are coming from? How far away would it have to be where that's even feasible?

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How many drones could you fit on a submarine?

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So satellites and everything else. If these things are launching from the water, they must be launching from something that was under the water.

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But there's no ship that's been sighted, right?

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What if there's a fucking civilization in the water? It sounds so stupid, but did you ever see that one video where they showed this thing? It was an underwater camera. I think it was focused on an oil rig, and you see something flying through the background. Yeah, I did see that. Something like 500 knots underwater.

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Elon is... Look, he's oddly sly about this stuff. He outwardly dismisses UFOs. He said, well, if they're there, they're very subtle. That's his... One might expect that, but okay. But I just feel like with his contracts with NASA and being involved in SpaceX, he can't talk crazy. Yeah.

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Yeah. What the fuck?

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Yeah. I mean, and how much of the ocean has actually been discovered or explored, rather? It's like 10% or something crazy.

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And there's insane deep spots that something could just go and hang out.

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Yeah. Well, listen, I hope you get a phone call. I hope you get a phone call and somebody listens to this and says that sounds like it would be a good thing for everybody if we knew what the hell was going on, if it's possible to talk about. But again.

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Without you out there telling your story and guys like Commander David Fravor and all these different people that have had these experiences and encountered things and are aware of it and know that it's a real issue. Without real credible voices like yourself, this conversation falls into the hands of silly people like me. If I'm interested in UFOs, I was interested in Bigfoot for a long time.

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You know what I mean? Some of it is just fun for me. But when guys like you come out and talk about it and when, you know, the New York Times writes that article in 2017 and you get the gimbal video and the go fast video, all of a sudden it's like, okay, this is a phenomenon. This is a real thing. What is it? And why don't we know? And why aren't we being told what we do know?

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How hard would it be for people to accept that it's coming from an underwater civilization that's popping out to check on us?

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Right. It would be almost crazier. Almost crazier to think that we coexisted with an alien civilization that's under the water that we didn't know about.

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We would feel so stupid. We thought we were the apex predators. We thought we were running shit. These things are just hovering over our cities. Listen, man, I really hope you get that phone call. It's always a pleasure to talk to you. And like I said, I really mean it.

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If it wasn't for people like you that had the courage to come out and talk about these things, because I know there was a long time where airline pilots, a lot of different people just didn't want to talk about their experiences because it seemed like they were silly. And they would be mocked. And it was widely dismissed.

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And now it's kind of generally acknowledged that something's going on, you know, even from our own government. So thank you. If it wasn't for guys like you, I don't know where this whole conversation would be.

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Yeah, please do it. Tell everybody the website one more time.

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Appreciate it.

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Bye, everybody.

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He talks crazy so much about other stuff, but when it's in this fucking multi, multi-billion dollar company that he runs, I don't think he can fuck around. I don't think he can. If it was something that he had no... He's no interest in it at all in terms of financial interest and business interest. I'm sure he would be commenting on it. But he's not commenting on it at all, which makes me go, hmm.

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And I don't think he's going to tell me. I don't think I'm going to call him up because I've got a big mouth. I think he knows. I'll be out here talking about it. A guy I know. Can't tell Joe. Yeah. The thing that disturbs me is not just that this is happening. There's so many drones and all these people are seeing them. It's happening for so long and nothing has been done.

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They're not scrambling jets to try to meet these things and follow them and track them. They're not shooting them down. We appear so vulnerable because of this. Because if these are ours or if these are people just fucking around and it's not a threat, okay, great. But why is it so prevalent? Why are there so many of them?

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And why have there been nothing that these people that are trying to investigate this have been able to do that's effective? Put a stop to this.

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They don't even need a warrant to get into my phone. Fuck out of here.

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Or kills somebody.

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Jamie, can you research, can you just do a quick search? Have there been drones that have been shot down? No.

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I don't even know if this is... Missing radioactive material. Scroll up a little bit higher so I can see who put that up there.

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Okay. Yes, I did see that. I did see that. Well, looking at Nuclear Regulatory Commission alerts, one confirmed there's radioactive material that has gone missing on December 2nd, 2024 out of New Jersey.

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Hello. Good to see you again. Nice to see you. What is the latest in the world of Ryan? Other than the fact that you're about to have a child. Congratulations on that. Thank you. You wanted to talk to me about this drone situation, and I've become very concerned. I don't understand what's going on. I think there's a bunch of different narratives. Some of them are very scary.

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So we should explain to people that didn't listen to our first podcast why you're uniquely qualified to talk about this stuff. Just please tell people your background so they understand what you used to do and how you got involved in this whole UAP thing in the beginning.

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So how would they persuade you? Just by saying that's not the case? Or have they given you any information that leads to this conclusion?

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Was there a lot of visual sightings of these objects, or is it just equipment?

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Was it the same sort of thing, a circle with a square inside of it?

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Do we know how the gimbal or the GoFast videos got leaked?

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There it is. So with the crosshairs, is that they're trying to lock in on it? So now they've locked in on it, right?

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What is the difference? Yeah.

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What would be the difficulty? Like, why is it difficult to lock on?

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How far off the ocean is this supposed to be?

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Now, what do they estimate the size of this thing to be?

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Because how far above this thing are they?

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Five miles.

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What does that stand for, RNG?

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So the speed...

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So the thing that I had heard was that it was a missing nuke from Ukraine. And if that was the case, so what could they do? Is there any truth to this idea that we have the type of drone capability that we could send these things out and they would search for gamma radiation and they'd be able to find a nuke?

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I've used infrared binoculars before. It's pretty cool. You can see like raccoons and shit.

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Which is very bizarre for something that's moving 170 whatever miles an hour.

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What does that represent?

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And would this be similar to what you would see if you saw a jet that was flying?

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But I mean, in terms of the signature that it gives off with the temperature, or would you be able to see a visible means of propulsion that would be accentuated?

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Right. Well, this definitely doesn't look like a jet. You know, it kind of looks like a flying saucer. And then it turns sideways, which is really weird. Is there anything on that that shows the speed?

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So as far as you know, we don't have anything that moves like that.

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And we don't have anything that gives off a signature like that.

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And were they able to figure out where this is going or keep an eye on it? Or do we have sensors that can detect this for any length of time?

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Is there a capability where – so if a fighter jet locks in on something like that, is there an additional source of – Some sort of satellite that they can team into or tune into where they can give them the coordinates and say, hey, this is at this exact coordinate. It's moving at this speed. Can you guys lock into that?

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Right, that's what I was getting to. Can the ship itself then lock in the coordinates with the satellite? Do we have that kind of capability?

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So they wouldn't even refer to you or discuss it with you.

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Did anybody discuss any of these things with you? Like, when you're talking about the safety hazard, you know, you've got this clear circle with a black square inside of it, and they're flying in this very unusual way. When you described it to people, what's the feedback?

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Really?

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That's fucking weird.

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Did they give you the impression that this is not surprising?

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The gimbal... Two different things, but they happened within minutes of each other.

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Why do you think that is, if you had to speculate?

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What is the best footage of the New Jersey drones? Why New Jersey, by the way?

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A lot of shipping. Also military base, right? Outside of Bell Labs, there's a military base. And what else? The proximity to New York City, I guess.

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Yeah, all pretty close. I've only seen a few interesting videos. And we're in this new realm of uncertainty when it comes to AI and it comes to computer-generated images and video. It's like I've seen so many – I've seen me. I've seen so much stuff that's not real. I'm like, okay, I don't know what's real anymore. It's like especially when it comes to something that's kind of blurry.

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It's in the sky and you've got people on the ground. I've seen so many fake ones. There's just – so many ones that people have generated, you know, I'm friends with Jeremy Corbell and Jeremy, uh, I always send him like, what the fuck is this? You know, I'll send some stuff to him. Is this bullshit? And you know, he's very good at like, we don't really know. I am very suspicious because of this.

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Well, that makes me feel better because I was freaking out this weekend.

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This is what we know. Like, let me send you some things that I know are, uh, not fake, but we don't still don't know what they are and see the difference. And so we'll have these long conversations and text message or phone calls about stuff like that. But No one seems to be able – there's not like one person you can go to.

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I mean you have your people that are dismissing everything and think it's just hobbyists and crazy people. But if they're not giving off signatures like that are standard with these normal drones like these heat signatures and they're able to stay in the sky for hours and hours at a time, just that alone points to at least if it's not our adversaries, if it's domestic –

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superior technology that we're not even aware of right now. I mean, how are they staying in the sky for five hours? Like, what is the... If you've got, like, a top-of-the-food-chain drone, who was it that was explaining to us the issue with why China has superior drone technology? It has something to do with the FAA. Was it Andreessen? I don't remember.

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Yeah, I got a couple. It's one of those things, especially in this day and age with social media. There's so many narratives that get spread and retweeted. And, you know, I know a guy who's an insider and he says to get out of the East Coast and, you know, head for Nevada. There's a lot of that shit going on. Yeah. There's a lot of different versions of these drones, and this is what's weird.

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Well, someone was explaining the reason why most of these, like, high-end... It might have actually been a Green Room conversation. Yeah.

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Yeah. So that the FAA and the rules and regulations have sort of stifled the development and the improvement of these domestic drones. And so most of the hobbyist drones are coming from China. And China, if you haven't seen, has...

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fucking incredible displays of drones yeah where they do yeah where they do like a drag in the sky it's amazing and it is because of regulations it's because of the FAA dragging their heels being incompetent or at least being overwhelmed where this has not been able to progress domestically the way it's been able to do

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China and so it's that alone seems like a giant security threat the fact that China has had just full integration with the government and Been able to have this technological innovation that allows their drones to be like super powerful Like what what they're able to do with these displays in the sky Unbelievable like really wild stuff to see that seems like many many leaps above what we can do and

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That's not good.

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No, that's very concerning. So is there any good footage that you could point to?

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Yeah, that's the problem.

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Yeah, it could be bullshit. But this is part of the problem with this weird world that we're living in right now with fake information. It's so difficult to figure out what the hell is going on. Did I send you that video, Jamie, of that guy where he's CEO of a drone manufacturing company? This is the guy that made me the most nervous. I'll send it to you right now.

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This guy made me the most nervous because this guy is talking about how this – whatever the hell this stuff is – He believes it's looking for a nuke. I'll send this to you, Jamie. The thing you tweeted? No. Did I? I don't know. Maybe. This guy. CEO of a drone manufacturing company who has government contracts. But the people you're talking to don't say it's this. That's correct.

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If they weren't ours, if they're not ours, you would think that they could just track them and find out, well, where are they landing? Who's got them? How are they being used? Is it RFI, like radio frequency? Is it some sort of a different technology that's allowing them to pilot these things? Like, what is it? They'd be able to tune into that and figure it out, right?

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So listen to what this guy's saying.

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So how come no one's been arrested? How come no one's been caught? How come they haven't tracked these things down to the source?

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But not like this.

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No. Well, go ahead. Unless maybe he's got something else.

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Oh, wonderful.

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In this volume?

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Wonderful. Yeah. Maybe they'll find them. I mean, there's probably a couple in the bottom of the ocean somewhere. Someone's going to find.

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I mean, wasn't there like a Russian submarine that sank and they lied to us about it? Wasn't that can neither confirm nor deny? Isn't that where that came from?

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Yeah, that was from a Radiolab podcast. The term can neither confirm nor deny was one of those things where they had to answer a question, but they didn't want to answer it. So they said we can neither confirm nor deny.

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And so that has become a way. The Glomar response refers to a covert CIA operation where a ship named the Hughes-Glomar Explorer was used to recover a sunken Soviet submarine. When questioned about the operation, the agency responded with, can neither confirm nor deny.

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Implication, when someone says can either confirm nor deny, they're essentially saying they cannot provide any information on the matter, leaving the question unanswered.

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So they answered it without answering it because they were compelled to answer, and they said we can either confirm nor deny, which is interesting because if you're in a Senate hearing and someone says something like that, what do you do?

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What did you say? What did you just say? What do you mean you can neither confirm nor deny? Shut the fuck up with all those words.

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You're being tricky. So I want you to tell me what you know. Say it like that. Tell me what you know. What do you know?

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Why was he there? Why was he touching it?

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How much do they tell you about foreign policy? Why would they tell you about those type of things if you did raise – how much information would this guy be privy to?

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Right, whereas I can call you, and you actually need to fucking see these things. It's kind of a different connection to the information than this guy has.

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He's saying a bunch of stuff that I don't think you're supposed to be saying anyway. Why are you saying that? I get if you really did believe that, that you would want everyone to know that there's a nuclear warhead missing, but... The other thing that I keep hearing is that the government is not telling us that these are ours.

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They are ours, but not telling us that these are ours because whatever they're looking for would cause mass panic.

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Right. Let me – yeah, what is on the plate? I mean in my eyes, nothing. Like that's it, right? That's the thing that everybody would really be worried about. The second thing would be that our adversaries are using these things to siphon off information, that it's like some mass Wi-Fi router that's flying over cities and sucking up everybody's passwords.

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As we move into this new, very bizarre realm of AI and now quantum computing, I had a conversation with someone last night. It was explaining to me how cryptography and encryption and all this stuff is literally on the verge of being obsolete and that this is going to put the financial markets into a chaos. All your passwords, everybody's email, everything is out the window.

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There's no more encryption. It's not even going to be possible. These things are solving problems. Marc Andreessen explained it this way, that these quantum computers are solving equations that

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If you took every atom in the universe and converted it into computing power, the time it would take to solve these equations would be longer than the time that the universe would exist before it died of heat death. And they're able to do it in minutes.

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So the concept is, and this is where it gets super weird, that this is proof of the multiverse because these computers are using the computing power of perhaps infinite parallel universes simultaneously to achieve these answers. Which is like, what are you saying? Like, what the fuck did you just say?

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Did you just say that if you took every molecule in the universe and converted it into computing power, it wouldn't be able to do this? This thing that you have in a fucking warehouse somewhere? That this thing has more computational power in this, it's like as big as this room, than the fucking universe if it was a computer? What are you saying?

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And you're saying this is the proof of the multiverse? What does that even fucking mean? And what happens if China gets this online? If we're able to do these like equations, right? It's kind of almost like proof of concept of the technology being efficient or efficacious. If they're able to do that.

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What if someone is more advanced than us and gets this connected to AI and implements some sort of a strategy for complete global domination of power grids, financial markets, completely takes control of assets, closes down government computers, locks up databases, deletes any information that's pertinent to us? Who knows what?

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Power grid, fucking informational structures like satellites, cell phones, all of our radio signals. It shuts everything down. It shuts it all down. We're fucking helpless. Most cars have computers in them. Most people don't even know this. Your car has a computer in it. When you have a Chevy and you bring it into the dealership, they plug it in to see what's going on.

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And the computer in the car... If something shuts those off, no cars work. Everything's open at that point. Everything's fucked. You have old cars. That's it. Everybody's like Cuba. Everyone's driving around like these ancients.

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Yeah, I mean, we'd basically have to go back to carburetors. All the electronic fuel injection, all that shit's done. It's all done.

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The scariest one that I've heard is that the drones are looking for gamma radiation because there's a missing nuke.

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I know this is absolutely happening because my friend, my friend Bobby, owns Dakota, the racetrack in town. And when they had the Formula One race at his racetrack, they found these boxes that were connected to their...

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This Wi-Fi system and these boxes were outside so the public Wi-Fi system had been compromised by these data sucking boxes and so they called in Homeland Security they had them removed the whole deal but like someone had gotten to the racetrack and physically connected these boxes to a public Wi-Fi system. How many times is that going on where people don't notice it?

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This is not the first time they've done it. They picked a race in Austin. Yeah, we're going to get all those fucking race fans, suck up all their data. It doesn't even make any sense, right? This is something that's probably been implemented before. It's like, what are they doing with that data?

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So all your passwords, anything you're sending, yeah.

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PayPal, yeah.

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Really?

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And it could fail.

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Like the Samsung one that they put here.

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How do you do that, though, if these people that create these things are motivated by money, if they're motivated by profits, if they run major corporations? How can you convince them to invest in something that is ultimately not going to pay off like it would if you were investing in a consumer product?

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Now, the way you're describing this sounds like it could be done, but China's already done that. So how far behind the curve are we on the implementation of this technology?

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Do you know about the anti-gravity lady that went missing, went back to China?

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Yeah. What's your thoughts on that type of technology?

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It's a good way to get rid of stuff, ridicule it.

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Lab leak. They did it with a lot of stuff.

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Have you ever heard Eric Weinstein discuss this? Mm-hmm. He has some very fucking, you gotta get that tinfoil hat really tightly secured to your head. But he believes that this is one of the reasons why physics has sort of stalled over the last 20 years. He thinks some of the best minds have been moved into a project.

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And that it very well might be something along these lines, something along some like super advanced propulsion system.

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What is this? Justin, Trump says he's staying away from his New Jersey golf club amid the drone sightings. The government doesn't know what's happening. Our military knows.

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Oh, the government knows what's happening. Our military knows where they took off from. They know where it came from and where it went. Something strange is going on. Play the video. Yeah, sure. Let's hear it.

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Go to that website. Let's see what we're going to do.

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Really?

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So, Jamie, sign up. Put in your email there. Don't show the world your email, though. Jesus Christ, people are going to know. They're going to know, Jamie. They're going to hear the amount of clicks that you make. These fuckers, they're very clever.

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Well, there you go. Now we're 13,589. Congratulations, Jamie. So what would you do? So now that you've joined, what can you do?

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Oh, boy. What does your submit report inbox look like? How many schizophrenics are in there?

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How do you separate the wheat from the chaff, as it were?

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How can you not have that on your fucking screen? I'll text it to you. Wouldn't you have that, Jamie? Wouldn't that be like your wallpaper? I would have an Apple you could cycle from a bunch of wallpapers. I'd put my kids on when I get home. But through the day. Top favorites. Yeah.

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I'd have my dog. I'd have the UFO. I might have to get in your Wi-Fi.

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What do you think about what Trump is saying, though, that they already do know and that they have tracked it? But the government just does not want to tell us. So what's that leave us in? Well, that leaves us either an enemy or us, right? So it either leaves us they're not concerned because this is something that they're doing with us.

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What if they're trying to get us comfortable because they know that some real UAPs are on the way? Well, you want to go all the way out there. If you really wanted to get people relaxed to the idea of flying saucers, like legitimate whatever the hell they are, wherever the hell they're from, if you knew that was coming and you didn't want mass panic, what would you do? You would trickle it in.

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You would trickle it in slowly. You'd have a bunch of drones hovering over cities for weeks and months at a time. You would get people really accustomed to the news cycle having – UAPs in it, and then real ones show up. It doesn't feel like a trickle right now, though. Well, you would do it this way. It's a trickle for me. I'm not seeing shit, okay? I'm out here in Texas.

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We were looking at the sky last night. We went to the mothership Christmas party. No UFOs. So it's a trickle relatively to the world. Right. Like you have a bunch of them hovering over New Jersey. You have a few of them in San Diego. You have them in different areas. If you knew that UAPs were coming and you were in the government and you said, what what can we do?

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Well, you'd probably bring in psychologists and they would these psychologists would explain.

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human patterns of reacting to change in environments especially radical changes in civilization and culture and like what can be done to mitigate the brutality of this process like the ultimate mass freak out that's going to come if UFOs come get people just so accustomed to UFO like the mask thing right sounds like a ridiculous comparison, but like

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Five years ago, if people were walking around wearing masks, you would go, what is going on? What's happening here? It would make you uncomfortable. Someone walked into a bank with a mask on. You're like, what the fuck? Are you crazy? Now you have to do it. It's this very strange. So it took a while, but then it became normal.

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If they wanted to make it normal that things are in the sky, you put things in the sky. You put a bunch of things in the sky, and you don't explain it, and you have them there all the time. And you let people speculate, and you put a lot of wild theories. Maybe they're looking for a nuke. Oh, they're looking for a nuke. Bobby heard they're looking for a nuke. Timmy got an email.

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Don't worry, it's just aliens, not a nuke. Well, it's probably not even. It's probably our shit. Or... You know, some unknown agency is involved in this. The government's not concerned because they know exactly what's happening. That's why there's not shooting them down. That's why they're not scrambling jets.

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That's why they're not doing all these things that Trump's asking why they're doing this thing. If you knew something was coming, if you knew that these things that you're seeing floating in the sky that are a clear circle with a black square inside of it and they can hover at 120 knots completely still, which doesn't even make any sense, no heat signature, what the fuck is that?

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And what if a bunch of them are coming? Well... Put a bunch of shit in the sky. Freak these dummies out. That's what I would do. I would get all of our best drones and just fly them around. Hover over cities. Hover over LaGuardia. Hover over the White House. Who gives a fuck? Just get people weirded out and get them accustomed to UFOs. You ever see District 9? Yeah. You ever see that movie?

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Great movie, right? Yeah. Really fucking fun movie. But it's kind of what would happen. If aliens were here and there's like alien camps and we had them, we would just get used to it after a while. We get used to shit.

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The way we live is so entirely alien to people that lived just 200 years ago that if you brought someone from the pioneer days and you put them in a Tesla and then you drove them to the movie theater and then you took them to a concert, they'd be like, what the fuck is going on? And then you showed them your phone. You're like, I'm going to FaceTime my mom. Look at that. That's my mom.

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What's up, mom? It's crazy. But we're accustomed to it. We're so accustomed to it that people tell you to get off your phone. Hey, get off your phone. You're always on your phone. Live your life. Get off your phone. You're so connected to this bizarre new world that we live in. But it's a custom. We're accustomed to it. It's normal. It's completely normalized.

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If I wanted to normalize the idea of us being invaded, I just fucking put stuff in the sky all the time. Fly around with experimental aircrafts. Do like a low trajectory over a city in some new stealth bomber. Freak these fucking people out. Get them used to being freaked out. And then when the real ones come, it's much less of a blow.

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You want to just text it to me and I'll send it to him? Yeah. Okay. That works too. See, even with this fucking high-level technology that we have. They're shutting us down. They're shutting us down, bro. Yeah, I was thinking that last night. I was like, why does my Bluetooth keep skipping out when I'm trying to stream music? But I realized there were so many people connected to the Bluetooth.

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And if you have that Spotify thing on where you're sharing, it's like, I forget what it's called. But like a bunch of people can contribute songs. They can all like add to your little playlist while it's going on. Dangerous. It fucks. Yeah, it's dangerous. All of it's dangerous. I'm like that close to getting one of them crazy de-Googled phones. But I'm like, how's that even work?

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They had a good one. I get it. I think Eric Prince apparently has a good one. He's got something called the unplugged phone. It actually has a physical button you can switch where it deactivates the battery as well. It separates a little piece of plastic, goes between where the battery connects. Even if you shut your phone off, they can still listen to you.

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That sounds so crazy, but it is absolutely true. And you can't take your battery out of your phone anymore. It's a convenient thing. in order to make it waterproof. Sorry. Your battery. And then it's also, it's like planned obsolescence. So your battery's going to die. You're going to need an iPhone 17, right? Come on. They can sell new ones. I got a new zoom feature. Come on.

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You need this in your life. You need this new zoom feature. You need that extra 50,000 mega pickles or whatever the fuck it is. You know, it's just, I don't know. I think privacy is kind of gone. And I think it's going to be super gone with these quantum computers. It's over. Like there's no privacy. And I think the real problem is the financial market. It's all numbers, right?

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It's all just ones and zeros. If somebody controls that before we do, if somebody breaks through with this type of technology and then just shuts all the other ones off, like how many – Bitcoin to the rescue, maybe? I don't even know. Doesn't Bitcoin get compromised? Google says its breakthrough quantum chip can't break modern cryptography. They said it like this.

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No, it can't even break any of your codes. The Willow chip is not capable of breaking modern cryptography. Well, listen. I don't believe that, first of all. And second of all, my real concern is this is one step in this. We are about to go off of a technological cliff. This is one step. ChatGPT was one step. They're about to do ChatGPT 5, which is magnitudes greater power.

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It's supposed to be like a giant leap. And that ain't shit. That ain't shit compared to AGI, which they think 2025. So artificial general intelligence and then connected to a quantum computer. And Google is literally talking about they have plans to put their own nuclear power plants to power their AI systems. It needs so much power. They want three nuclear power plants. That's wild.

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What are you about to do? Like, what are you doing, you fucking eggheads? What are you doing? Are you guys making God? Like, what the fuck are you doing? Do you even know what you're doing?

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It hasn't even been made yet. And the problem is if you don't do it, our enemy is going to do it. And we're so shitty at communicating with other human beings all across the world. We've been stealing resources and overthrowing governments for so long that nobody trusts us.

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And then while all that's going on, we're in the middle of creating an artificial intelligence that's infinitely smarter than us and might be working in parallel universes. Yeah. If you can do an equation, and you're telling me that this equation through these quantum computers is proof of a multiverse, what happens if AGI gets connected to the multiverse? Do you even know? Are you just doing it?

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Do you even know? Can you tell me what's the best-case scenario, what's worst-case scenario? Can you tell me what you've thought about? Or instead of just fucking all gas, no brakes... And everyone's all gas, no brakes. We're all fucking hot rodders on the highway headed towards this weird thing that no one really knows what it's going to be.

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But everyone agrees it's the greatest technological breakthrough the human race has ever experienced. And it's happening so fast. And most people are like, what? What's going on? What are they doing over there?

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Most people, if they're not listening to podcasts, they're not on Twitter every day, and they're not on Facebook, and they're not really paying attention to this stuff, most people are like blissfully unaware we're about to awaken a god.

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Blissfully unaware we're about to connect to some insane technology that hasn't even been, it's so insane that it's sort of like one of those things where somebody tries to tell you how many stars there are in the universe. You know what? I can't comprehend it. Your head goes, what does that mean? Like, what's the number? What?

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Like when they were saying that it can do it can compute something that all the world's supercomputers, it would take some septillion number of years to do that. It can do it in 15 minutes. What are you even saying? I don't even know what you just said. I know that if you told me how many zeros to write, I could probably keep doing it until I got to the right amount of zeros.

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I don't know what the fuck that means. My brain's good for like 150, 500 people. That looks like about 3,000 people. I was at the Formula One racetrack. I'm like, how many people are in this? We're seeing Eminem. I'm like, how many people are here? I took a guess, like 50,000? I don't know. It's 110,000. I was rough by 50,000. My brain doesn't understand numbers. And then you get to millions.

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Imagine looking at a group of people. Oh, that's about 2 million. No, you can't do it. You can recognize like 150 people. It looks like about 150 people. When things get big, they just get too weird. And the universe is insanely big. Insanely big. So your brain just doesn't do it. It just... Everybody's brain. Even the most... Neil deGrasse Tyson. You get an astrophysicist. Get one of those guys.

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Like it's just very disturbing that someone could operate these things and have – I mean how many – what is the estimated number of them?

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They're not going to be able to... The brain's not built for it. So this thing is so much more powerful than even that. Even the whole universe as a computer? That doesn't even make sense. And they're just... What are we doing?

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Well, if I was an advanced civilization that had already passed this stage, maybe this is like a common stage. Maybe this is just like how bees all over the world make beehives. They all do the same thing, right? Maybe this is a strange stage that intelligent life gets to when it reaches a point where of technological sophistication where it can create an artificial version of a thinking being.

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And then that thinking being, of course, creates infinitely better versions of itself and figures out a way to harness power in a way that just we can't even comprehend, which is what a quantum computer connected to AGI would be able to do. Maybe they know that this happens and they're like, oh, it's about to happen. And so then they come. Wasn't there a meeting?

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There was another good tinfoil hat one. I was like, ooh, what are they talking about? There was some super top secret meeting with the people from the James Webb Telescope because of something they had discovered. There was something that they had seen that they decided, and I don't know what that means. You know, if you really wanted to get terrified, you'd say, oh, my God, an asteroid's coming.

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And it might be that. Or it might be there's some new thing that sort of rewrites the date. of the beginning of the Big Bang, which is they're kind of starting to talk about doing that now. They're trying to, there's some people that want to push the creation of the universe back to about like 22 billion years instead of like 13 point, whatever it is now. Who cares? Why keep that secret?

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You know, that's not going to freak people out. But, well, that's, I'm just being charitable. I'm saying like, or there's something out there or there's something that they know is headed our way. You know, it is, I mean, It is possible. We're doing it. We send things to Mars, right?

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And if we know that we're going through this thing right now, we're about to create a AGI, we're about to implement quantum computing in this country, who knows what they're doing in other countries. If this is just like a thing that beings go through and we get past this and then we find another planet out there that's also like dropping nuclear bombs on it,

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We would probably start circling that planet and making sure they don't fuck the whole thing up.

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I mean it just seems like to be – it's probably insanely difficult to get intelligent life to the position that we're in right now in a volatile universe that's subject to natural disasters, asteroid impacts, super volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, all different things that could wipe out technology and bring it back to the caveman days. Yeah.

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If all that is known and this is going on all throughout the universe, it would probably be in their best interest to sort of protect this investment in evolution and not have us knock back to the Stone Age and have to start all over again. Not have us nuke ourselves to the point where there's like 13 of us left.

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Yes, I have. He couldn't tell me anything.

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He wouldn't tell me shit. Basically, I've seen some things. I know some things. Transparency, I think, is very important. Peel the fucking Band-Aid off. Tell us what you're doing. Tell us what you know. And if you can't, I have to think that it's a military intelligence thing. You don't want the enemy to know what you're capable of, which I totally understand.

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If that's what's going on and that's why they can't tell us, that actually makes sense. But if it's not that and it's that we are experiencing contact on a regular basis with something that we can't explain or understand, you don't have the right to that. You don't have the right to that information. That's not yours. That's the human race's. People love to have fucking super top secret secrets.

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that no one else can know and you're in the end. But you can't have that one. You can't have that one. If you're telling me that you have to do it because we've developed some sort of a gravity propulsion system that's infinitely superior to anything the Soviet Union has or the Russia has or China has, Fine. That's not my business. I'm not in the business of the military and national security.

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If that's why you can't tell us, I totally understand. But if you are in contact with fucking aliens and you know they exist, you know there's something that visits us, whether it's from another dimension or whether it's from another planet, that's not yours. That's not yours to tell. You can't treat us like fucking babies, like we can't handle this.

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If you actually have recovered a crashed UFO, look, I understand the implications of national security if you're trying to back-engineer that thing. I understand that. If you're saying, like, we have to get to this, China gets to this, this is a game-changer, we're fucked, I get it. Anything else, you have to tell us.

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Because it doesn't make any sense that you, some unelected official, some guy who's working in coordination with Raytheon or whatever the fuck you're doing... you can't keep that shit secret. That's the world's information. You know, that should be a crime. This is something the human race needs to know. We didn't know it was bullshit.

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We need to look again, if it's our stuff and we can't say anything about it because we can't let China know that we have that. And, we did huddle up these fucking physicists in some obscure college and we did create some wild shit that the rest of the world is not really ready for or doesn't understand yet. Maybe we're way ahead of the curve in that.

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Other than that, you've got to fucking tell us. You've got to tell us what the fuck is going on. I agree with you. And how is it happening, like, back in 2004? This is where it gets squirrely. Where it gets squirrely is, like, in 2004, we didn't even have a fucking iPhone, okay? So in 2004, everybody had flip phones. You were the shit if you had a Motorola Razr.

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You were living in the future, you know? So... That's not feasible that you would have something that moves like the Tic Tac in 2004. That's not feasible. That doesn't make any sense to me that you have something that can go from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second. What? What's it made out of that it doesn't disintegrate? How fast is that? What the fuck does that even mean?

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That's space. You go from space to the surface of the water in a second? How?

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How is that possible in 2004? Like, that doesn't even make any sense to me. So if it's not ours and if it's not some back engineered stuff, then what's going on?

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I don't know if Trump would be content to do that. And I don't know if Tulsi would be content to do that either. If she's going to be – she's what? The director of national intelligence? If she's confirmed, yeah. If she's confirmed? I don't know. This episode is brought to you by Den of Thieves 2 Pantera.

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but here's the thing it's like what we were talking about before if it is a national security issue and fuck how is it not right like if Bob Lazar is telling the truth all right let's go to the wackiest of the wacky ones right because Bob's story I don't mean because Bob's wacky I mean because it's 1989 Okay, so we're in the 80s, right? Cars suck. Fucking, you know, fighter jets of the 1980s.

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Imagine, like, the fighter jets that you flew in comparison to a fighter jet from, like, 1983.

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Yeah. There was, like, a few computers connected, right, by physical cords or something, probably. But that time period... We did not have what he was describing if what he was describing is accurate. And then when you see that gimbal footage, that thing is moving exactly the way he described it, where he said it's built like your classic flying.

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That's actually an image of it right there, that little model that we have. This... That's what he described. So in 1989, he's saying that this thing, when it would fly, it would turn sideways. It would turn like 90 degrees, and that's where it would, whatever the fuck kind of generator that's inside of it, it would point it in a general direction it wanted to go. That's what the gimbal did.

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The gimbal turned in that way. And what he's describing in this reactor is some sort of an element, and it's element 115 in this. Whoever has created this thing is a stable version of this element. And when it's blasted with radiation, it creates some sort of a warp in space-time in some way. Whether it's gravity or whatever it does, it folds time and it just shoots off at insane rates of speed.

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But the things inside of it... I would imagine, aren't experiencing G-force the way it does the traditional propulsion system. It's the only way a biological thing could survive, right? But then I'm thinking, why would it even be biological? If it's so much more advanced than us, we're already creating artificial limbs. We're already creating artificial eyes.

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We're already putting neural links into people. And we're fucking apes. We're apes. And we're like, draw a fucking hole and stick some wires in there and let's see what we can do to Timmy. Now Timmy can fucking use his eyeballs. Noah, the guy who was in there, was the first ever neural link patient. His name's Noah, right? Nole? Noland. Sorry, Noland. Cool guy.

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I just have too many names in my head. No disrespect. But he can use his eyeballs like a cursor. He says like an aimbot when he's playing video games. So he plays video games better than people that can use their hands. Because he shoots exactly where he's looking at, which is nuts. So how... How many years have to pass?

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Think about from like 2004, no iPhone to today, what we've got and meta virtual reality sets. How many years have to pass before it's more effective to go through the world being completely integrated into like an artificial creation?

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Not much where we're cyborgs. Not much where, well, why would you want regular eyes? Your kid has regular eyes. That's crazy. Get them the new eyes. They have infrared, radar. They can detect gases. You can move away. It's like safety. It's better for you. You see better. You never go blind. When they go bad, they replace them. Everybody would just get the fake eyes.

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So maybe those things are what happens when technology and biology integrate over a long period of time. And they probably have eliminated all of our primate

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desires and weirdness that makes progress problematic now greed and envy and trying to steal from resources from other countries and invasions and tribal behavior and manipulation propaganda and lying they probably can all read minds so there's no more lying and they're they've no need for

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Physical muscles that's why they look like these little fucking spindly things it kind of makes sense like that.

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That's where Evolution and technology if they merged that's what it would look like dude look like some weird fucking thing where they all look the same so nobody gives a shit and They control one of the things Lazar said these things have no Switches or buttons or there's no controls inside of them.

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So he thinks they're controlling them with their minds Yeah with their intention their apps their mind is integrated And we think about that like that sounds so crazy. But how much crazier is that than typing things with your thumb? It's not that much crazier than what you can do by FaceTiming someone, like sending video. It's not that crazy.

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It's not that crazy that your brain could eventually integrate completely with technology. Excuse me. And if you're a cyborg, then you have to worry about all the biological issues that we deal with, all the cancer and fucking pollutants. You don't have to worry about any of that shit. And then you're inside this ship that you're completely connected to and you can move it in any way you want.

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It might as well be your body. And that's probably the future. That's probably the future here on Earth, even if we don't fuck this up.

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What is the difference between saying gravity and extended electrodynamics?

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There's that lady that took off. That's what she was working on.

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Tell her story because it's a crazy one.

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It's like a movie.

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I thought she died. I thought she went to China and then come back and died.

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She died.

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Yeah. Or did she?

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With masks now, they're just like, maybe she was the tall Biden. Remember that guy?

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Wow. Was Hillary Clinton driving that car?

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Well, let me ask you this. So if you were the government, let's just say they, if you were them, and you wanted to work on some very, very advanced, if you had some knowledge that this stuff was possible, but you couldn't put it in the private sector because then it would get pilfered, you'd get infiltrated by Chinese spies, which happens all the time, right? Wouldn't you hide it away?

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Wouldn't you scroll it away somewhere? Like if you're doing the right thing, if you're being intelligent about it, wouldn't you, if I wouldn't, it essentially can't be public because it is in the interest of national security because it's such a big deal. Like if they develop a propulsion system. that is completely reliant on gravity.

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And they figure out, like, they're bending time, just flying places instantaneously. If that's the future of space travel, like, whoever gets there first, that's a big fucking deal. That's a really big deal. And that can't be out there in the public where China could steal the data or Russia could steal the data or Iran could steal the... You can't have anybody get a hold of this.

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That's a very, very, very good point. Because wouldn't it be awesome if we were the only superpower, and then we could just slowly get into this stuff?

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That's where this whole Area 51 S4 shit comes into play. Because you have to think that if this is happening, this is around the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union, right? So this is like... We had a good 30 years, see what we could do. Relaxed. Have you ever seen Lazar talk about it?

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What did you think?

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So this is the one that the commercial airline saw that was flying at about the same speed as a plane and then took off.

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So this lady got a picture of it.

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That looks like a plane.

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It looks the same except from the ground, but... The same in... But doesn't it look like a plane to you? Doesn't that look like a plane, Jimmy?

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Doesn't it look like the front, like the nose? I mean, I'm looking at Bigfoot through the woods right now. It's one of those things, like, look, you can see his face. That looks like a phone. Multiple light sources.

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The thing is, like... Air traffic control didn't have it on their radar. Unless you have a really good phone, like if you have a Samsung that gets, like, that 100x zoom, how much are you going to be able to see?

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They're not designed for that. They don't look that clean. And even, I mean, the best phones, if something's flying through the sky, you're going to get a shitty, blurry image of it. You need some very high-powered equipment to be able to zoom in. And then you need image stabilization to be able to lock it into place.

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Yeah. Well, that was the thing with the Samsung phones. They got in trouble because they were taking photos of the moon. It wasn't really a photo of the moon. Did you see how that got figured out? No. No. You can't slip things by the nerds, right? They're too fucking smart.

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And so these guys were kind of suspicious of whether or not this thing was actually taking a photo and zooming in and getting a photo of the moon. So they put a blurry photo of the moon on a screen and then stepped to the back end of the room and zoomed in on the blurry photo that's on the screen. And it filled it in with like high resolution and showed you all the craters.

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Oh, it's bullshit. And so they're trying to say it's AI, but you're not enhancing the image. You're creating it. There's no image there. We know what the image is. The image is a blurry bullshit, and you turn it into a clear photo of the moon. So this is shenanigans.

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Would there be an issue with you would have to provide amnesty to the people that could potentially have lied in these programs? So like if you if you've diverted funding, if you've not been. completely honest to Congress about where the funding is going and you've had some sort of a back engineering program or whatever they have. Would there be like criminal liabilities?

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Would there be issues where a bunch of these people could get prosecuted? Potentially, yeah. So that would, if I was them, I would, you know, I'd keep hiding it. Like, fuck this, I don't want to go to jail. But if you wanted to get full disclosure, it would seem like the only way to effectively make it happen would be to give amnesty to the people that had committed these crimes.

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So it would become a real dilemma if they were actually crimes.

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So what you're saying to me, what it sounds like is like you're almost like advocating for a complete restructuring of how the information gets disclosed. Instead of the way they're doing it now, like someone come in and sort it out. Like you. Why don't you do it? I would if I was asked. I bet you'd be asked.

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I hope you'll be asked, I should say, because I think you're uniquely qualified and obviously very invested in this. You wouldn't want someone who's not invested in this leading this. This is a super complicated, nuanced rabbit hole that you have to go down, and you have to be balancing out all the possibilities in your head at the same time while you're trying to get this information out.

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And whatever you guys experienced, whatever those things were, if that isn't ours, we should probably know. We should probably know. And I don't know what it is. I don't know if it is ours. I get that if it is, you can't tell me. I get that. But if it's not, what's going on? What do you think it is? Like if you had to guess, some of it's got to be ours, right?

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Well, broader conversation.

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Like this one that you sent me. Yeah.

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Now, if no one has ever gone full disclosure, no president, how much do you think they tell them? And what, if anything, could you even imagine would be a valid reason for not telling people?

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Yeah, because none of them spill the beans. None of them. None of them feel obligated to tell the American public. You know, I think I can see both ways, though. That's the problem. I can see it from a point of a national security thing. If they're back engineering these things and trying to if there's a race, it's essentially no different than if we engineered ourself.

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Like at the end, someone's making it.

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Agreed. I think everybody agrees to that. There's no reason why they should. That's human information. And if we're really confronted by an absolute fact that we're not alone, it changes everything. We kind of know it. But we're not sure and we haven't seen it. And if you have seen it, you don't know what you saw. And what is that?

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Or would give in to our alien overlords because they're going to be super powerful. And every civilization that we've ever encountered that was primitive always had a terrible go of it once we showed up.

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Well, I would hope they wouldn't be us, that they would be past what human beings today is, you know, especially if you follow like Steven Pinker's work where you look at crime and violence throughout history. Human beings today live in the safest environment that's ever existed for people. Relatively overall, despite all of our problems. It's trending in a way of more peace.

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But if you think about no violence at all, none ever, just like a complete shut off of everything. That's what you would have to be if you were a civilization that's eclipsing all the problems that we have here on earth. That's bypassing all the war, all the bullshit, the destroying the environment, the inequality and the allocation of resources and the control of the populace.

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Just that's all out the window with this super, super sophisticated society. I think that should motivate us, probably more than anything, to get our shit together, to realize this is possible. This is the trajectory that these intelligent species go through on their road to evolution, their road to enlightenment.

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And they bypass this terrible stage that we're at right now, where we're worried that these drones are searching for nuclear bombs because someone might decide to do some sort of a terrorist thing. Because, you know, there's wars going on over there. If we could just know that that's you can get past that.

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If they're doing it at night, if they do have passive systems like some sort of an optical system, wouldn't that be hindered by the low light conditions or do we have stuff that –

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Or in our biological development. Just like you can only think of so many – like a number of so many things. You can't think of all the stars. I don't think our biology can keep up with the input of all this technology. I think we're getting numb. We're getting weirdly numb to it. And I think it's just so –

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It's so inescapable in today's society that if you want to be integrated into today's society, you have to have one of those goddamn phones. You have to be connected. Like we're moving in this very particular direction. And it seems like if we get through this chaos, what these things that we're visiting that are visiting us, all of the things that people describe us.

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of telekinetic telekinetic communication telepathic communication the the ability to explain things to them in a way that like clarifies what they're here for and why they're here that's probably what we would do yeah it sounds exactly like what we would do if we could get past all the problems of being a human being in 2024 and all the violence and chaos and All the lying and propaganda.

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If we got past that, that's what we'd become. We'd become some star faring creature that's like completely enlightened and shows up and is just checking on the apes to make sure they don't blow themselves up.

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Right. And if if think about like technology and technology, evolution is always so much faster than biological evolution. Like how far ahead are they? You know, if they're a million years, what does that even look like? Like, what does that look like?

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Or maybe they're the robot custodians of the God-creating intelligent beings and that all they're doing is sent for AI. AI created them. and sent them out into the universe so that when the apes get to the point where they start making nuclear weapons and bombs and reactors and cold fusion and gravity, you're like, just make sure they get through this. Okay, boom.

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And then whatever the fuck quantum computing connected to AI becomes, that's what, it's like we're farming that.

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Yeah, that completely makes sense, right? Like if you can create life, which they're very close to being able to create fake artificial life, like single cell forms. Haven't they created like, aren't they like creating like artificial embryos? I believe they have started like animal embryos.

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Yeah, but that seems like totally doable. And that would make sense so they could breathe our air too. You just engineer it so that whatever this creature is, it does your bidding. And just, they're the custodians. They just hang around. They're not even like advanced aliens. Synthetic human embryos created in groundbreaking advance. This is so crazy. These are human.

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I didn't think they were human. Synthetic human embryos using stem cells in a groundbreaking advance that sidesteps the need for eggs or sperm. Oh, it's over.

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We're so fucked. I'm so anxious. So scary, man. It's so scary. So if we can do that now, something that's a million years more advanced, it would just like probably send some ball of energy down. That energy would create a spaceship and the beings inside of it. And like they're fucking sending someone a picture through a cell phone. It'd be that simple.

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And that's probably, I mean, it's probably what it is. They're probably the custodians. You know, we think of them as like advanced alien beings. It's probably not real. Probably advanced alien beings is AI. And it's the most advanced because it just goes from nothing to God. And maybe it needs custodians.

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Right. Even if we don't understand how they're doing it, if proven to be true – Everybody has to stop and go, okay, what's going on here? How is that thing moving that quickly? Where is it coming from? How did it come from 2,000 light years away? How is that even possible? And then they have to figure it out. And how? I don't know. What is your take on the crashes?

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Because that to me is always like, God, if you're so advanced, you can come here from another galaxy. Why do you fuckers keep crashing? Yeah. And then there's, I'm sure you're aware of Diana Pasolka and her stuff. They call them donations. Like the people that research these things, whether or not that's even real, but the people that, I haven't seen it.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8042.539

The people that say they go there and find these fragments on the ground, they refer to it as donations.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8117.574

Well, also maybe think about the sheer numbers. So if we think that these things are real, so let's imagine they're actually coming from another planet. So if they are coming from another planet and they're capable of coming here, that means other planets are capable of sustaining intelligent life that could be starfarers. So if that's possible here and there, it's probably all over the place.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8140.208

So if it's all over the place, Who knows how many numbers of things you're dealing with and how far advanced they are. And like you said, what technology did they develop? We always think technology is completely linear. And we think that what we did and the way we did it is the only way it could be done. But the best evidence that's not true is Egypt.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8162.53

The best evidence that that's not true exists. You can go touch it with your hand. You can see photographs of it online. We don't know what the fuck they did. And whatever they did was super advanced for 4,500 years ago. We don't know what machines they used. We don't know how they cut it. We don't know how they measured it.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

818.943

That's interesting. So is the signature management – so is it a heat signature that they're giving off? So maybe there's some sort of a cooling mechanism inside of these things? Like how – if they have a propulsion system, so – you would imagine it's some sort of an electric engine, right? Because a lot of them are very quiet. That's got to be giving off some kind of heat, right?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8180.584

We don't know shit how they figured out to put it north, south, east, and west almost perfectly. No one knows. No one understands how they got the stones there. It's all speculation and guesswork. But whatever it is, it's insanely impressive and a different sort of way of implementing human ingenuity and engineering and thought into construction. It's very different than anything we've done.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8204.122

So it's a clear path. Like they had an enormous amount of resources in that area and they had sustained a civilization there for thousands and thousands of years to the point there. They had developed methods and technologies that we don't understand today. Because they're not here anymore.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8258.393

There's also parallel civilizations that coexisted with European civilizations that are very similar to what we know about in history that were like the Mayans.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8268.519

instance like what the fuck was going on in mexico like how come because we know when that was like they're like when cortez visited was it cortez or cabeza de vaca who who visited the mayans and wrote about it it might have been cabeza de vaca um i think it's in that move the the book uh a strange new land but when when they first encountered these people before they gave them diseases

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8292.524

Like, they had this insane civilization with, like, gold headdresses and ornate dressing. And everybody's like, what is this?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8300.014

Like, there's insane stone structures and human sacrifice. Like... What the fuck are you guys doing here? This is a totally, completely different type of civilization. While in Europe, they're wearing fucking wigs and they're trotting around and all coexisting.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8316.855

So we know that human beings can go in very different directions in terms of the way their society develops and the technologies they implement. why wouldn't we think that that would be the case with everything in the known universe? Like everything in the known universe. There's probably an infinite number of paths that intelligent creatures can go to creating technology.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8338.489

And like you were saying, some of them might take like way longer than our path of, you know, implementing combustion engines and electronics and... They might be using frequencies. They might be using some sort of different way of generating energy that we don't understand.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8360.719

Well, the thing Lazar was talking about was that this planet had a stable version of this element 115. But I think, I mean, even what does that even mean? What is element 115? If there's 114, element 115 is wherever the fuck you find next, right? If you don't know what it is. And it was all theoretical until the Large Hadron Collider.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8380.329

They developed a version of it for a millisecond so they know that it's a real thing. He's saying they have a stable version. I'm like, well, if you live in a completely different solar system and a completely different planet with completely different – there's planets out there that are made entirely of diamonds. Did you see that one?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8396.833

About a giant diamond in the sky.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8401.373

Yeah, what the fuck? I think that there's probably an infinite number of ways intelligent life evolves, and some of it probably doesn't look anything like us. Like octopi, like octopuses, they have no need because they're in the ocean and there's no houses in the ocean, so they have no need to build things, but they're super smart, man. They open up jars.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8421.878

They figure out a way to get out of a fish tank, walk across the floor, climb into the next fish tank, kill a fish, eat it, fly. Climb back and go back in their tank.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8436.224

They're really smart, man. They're weirdly smart. And we don't even know why or how. They have eyes that separated. Whatever an eye was developed, an eye was developed for them and an eye was developed for us. And we branched off from the evolutionary chain like who knows how many hundreds of millions of years ago.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8474.54

That is interesting. But, you know, with panspermia, they do think that it's possible that planets, when they get hit by asteroids, a big chunk of it can fly off and the DNA from that rock can enter into this new environment. And with some things like spores, spores survive in a vacuum.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8494.711

That's one of the thoughts about psilocybin mushrooms, that perhaps they arrived here from somewhere else on a rock. Which is – it's a real possibility. Like that's where most of the iridium that they find when they have those big – when they do those big digs and they find that layer of iridium that's near where there's an asteroid impact. That's all just shit that came from space.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8639.482

That is a fascinating idea that it's like seeds. I mean, that's the function that these asteroids have. That's what happens when they land and they spread whatever's on them. You could imagine that's the function of asteroids, slamming into planets, knocking chunks off, and flying that stuff into space.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8667.489

It's a comet, right? A lot of comets are just made out of just ice, right? Which is fucking nuts. There's a chunk of ice bigger than Manhattan flying through the sky. Or a diamond. And leaving trails. And some of them they can mine. That's going to be really fascinating once they figure out how to do that. Land on an asteroid and mine it.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

868.337

So other than that, are they exhibiting any type of movement that's extraordinary or their ability to turn angles? Is there anything about them that points to this being superior technology?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8692.096

That was a Bruce Willis movie, right?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8695.759

I think it was. It was a Bruce Willis movie.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8698.741

Armageddon.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8699.641

All right, they weren't mining, right?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8706.704

Well, we were getting to that, the James Webb Telescope secret squirrel meeting. Did you find anything on that? Nothing?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8719.855

Okay, let's try it. Let's say James Webb Telescope top secret meeting urgent discovery.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8741.587

Oh, no, no, no. Not discovery. Top secret classified meeting discovery. Come on, Jamie. Indulge me.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8764.192

Yeah. It definitely happened if they denied it.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8768.634

It's probably bullshit. It's probably a fun thing. NASA denies it. In recent weeks, rumors spread rapidly on social media. I think I was involved in that. Suggesting that NASA's James Webb telescope had made an extraordinary discovery, potentially alien life. The members of Congress had been briefed about it. The rumors intensified after U.S.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8787.665

Representative Andre Carson, who had previously chaired a congressional hearing on identified aerial phenomena, Declined to answer a question about classified briefings when asked by, I don't know who that is, run by journalist Matt Lasso on X. Excuse me, Laslo on X.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8806.796

Matt Laszlo?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8809.018

Shout out to Matt. Speculation prompted a Freedom of Information Act request filled by the Black Belt on September 22nd, 2024, seeking any records classified or unclassified about James Webb Space Telescope briefings provided to Congress, particularly related to the telescope's findings.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8827.03

The request aimed to clarify whether any congressional briefings had been held about significant discoveries provided. made by the telescope, which has been in operation since 2021. So the response was a copy of records, which includes videos, photos, electronic or otherwise of all briefings about James Webb's telescope and program made for Congress.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8848.605

I ask that you include all classified and unclassified briefings on the James Webb telescope program or briefings on findings made by that program. It says those searches located no records responsive to your request. Neither confirm nor deny. I mean, if I was hiding the fact we're going to get hit by an asteroid, that's how I would do it. I wouldn't tell people. I wouldn't respond to this feed.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8880.089

What freedom of information are you going to put me in jail? We're going to be dead in 16 months. There's a planet heading our way. Planets get hit by other planets sometimes.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8894.474

That's the fun one. The fun one is signs of life. The fun one is an actual spaceship. The fun one is something that they can't explain that changes everything that we hold dear and believe to be true, whatever that means.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8950.873

You think the bottleneck has been the security clearance of it all or the bottleneck has been the lack of transparency? Like if people just knew, that would be the end of it.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

8990.583

But Biden and Harris have been like the last managers at Blockbuster Video. You know what I mean? They knew the fucking gig was up. Like, don't even show up. It's over. The building's going under. The lease is done in two weeks. Fuck this. They're not even at work.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9012.607

You understand that this is like a mandate? I don't know if I want to use the word mandate, but their policy— This is their instructions?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9034.384

When you look at it from their perspective, what would rationalize— trying to downplay this. If you look at it from their perspective, what could possibly be the case where they think it would be good to propagandize or sway people in that direction?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9104.595

I really do think he's the last manager at Blockbuster right now. That's what I think. She's not even showing up for it. I never see her anywhere anymore. It's unfortunate. They checked out. It's over. But the problem with that is, okay, then who's running it? And why are you holding back that stuff?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9134.283

Yeah, if we just knew what they know. Just, you don't have to tell us what's possible, what it can do, what you've engineered from it. Tell us something's going on. What is that thing? What's that thing that's going on?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9150.27

Is that thing ours? If it is, that's fucking crazy. You guys have been holding back some insane shit. And if it's not ours, then we need to know. And I think that would change the human conversation. I mean, Ronald Reagan talked about that in the United Nations speech in like, was it the 1980s? Do you remember that speech? Well, I don't remember it, but I remember learning about it.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9174.609

He talked about how united we would all be if the threat of an alien invasion was happening on Earth, how quickly we would put aside our differences.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9190.295

I wonder if they even have a phone anymore.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9195.498

But isn't it like a phone phone? Like, hello? I honestly don't know the structure of it.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9255.369

Yeah.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9261.656

Yeah. If they know, tell us. It'd be good. Be good if you let us know. And if we did have ... What can you imagine ... Let's imagine that you get into this position and it's your job to get this information out to the public. What kind of resistance do you think you're going to face?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9284.199

Because it seems like if there's been deals that have been done with defense contractors, that's how you kind of have to have work on it, right? Who else is going to know what to do? Like you kind of have to get contractors on this thing. You're going to have to get the best and the brightest. You got a fucking UFO. I figure this out.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9356.485

OK, let's imagine you get this position and you go through this search and you find out that this is all our technology and that we can't allow China or Russia to know that we're capable of using these kind of technologies that are unheard of right now. So we have to keep it as a national security secret. What do you do about something like that?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

936.401

I know they've shot at least one of them down or people have shot. Have you seen the video? It looks like cops are shooting them down with shotguns in New Jersey.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9385.387

It is very unusual. If you've got these things that are moving the way these things are moving and they're ours.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9403.195

Okay. Yeah. I wonder what the world would be like if it was fully accepted, if disclosure was fully accepted. I wonder what the world would be like if, like, Trump gets into office. Trump has a press conference. He brings you up. You explain what we know. This is over the last 16 months. Our team has discovered this, that, and that. We've personally investigated this, that, and the other.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9429.261

Where are the crashed ones? Where the fuck are you guys hiding those? Because if that's real, that's the end. All you have to do is bring the president to the crash site, and you bring him into the warehouse, and you show him this thing, and you walk around it, and you go, what the fuck is this? What the fuck is this? That would be the end.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9450.245

All you'd have to do is just get a camera crew, go with them, Trump walking around a spaceship. Okay, we've been visited. Now we know. By whatever, by whoever. Maybe it's not even a visitor. Maybe it's always been here. Maybe it lives in the ocean. Maybe it's been monitoring us from there and its sole purpose is, like I said before, custodian, to make sure we don't blow ourselves up.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9474.545

But either way, we should probably know that. We should probably know there's fucking bases in the ocean. Because a lot of them, they've seen their transmedium. They move through the air and then they go into the water and they don't even make a splash. It's like, okay, what is that?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

949.485

I hope it's a cop. I know because it's like, hey, man, when you shoot up, those bullets land somewhere. They can land on people.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9547.578

If we reach technological proficiency in all this AI stuff and quantum, if we reach this first, then what do you think that looks like?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9605.975

That's a great rose-colored glasses view of it. That sounds really good. It does. When you say it that way, I'm like, wow, it's a very positive outlook. I hope you're right. Yeah. What do you think? I don't know. I definitely don't know. I go back and forth a lot. I go back and forth as to whether or not these are visitors or whether or not they're interdimensional and they're always here.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9628.859

I go back and forth whether or not they're ours. I think some of them are ours probably. I go back and forth to Lazar's talk about how they had been doing flights with these things. They'd figured out how to at least get them off the ground and move them around the sky and have them land again. If that was going on, if that's real, if that was going on in 1989, who knows?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9647.473

Who knows what the fuck we have right now, if that's real. But if we are being visited, it's... is a complete revamping of our position in the universe. If we do realize we're a part of a community of intelligent life that's in the universe and that it just takes a while for you to be technologically sophisticated enough where you can communicate or travel to these places.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9675.127

But it eventually happens. And then we just realize like the lights come on, there's like a billion eyes out there staring back at us like, whoa, we're all connected in this thing.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

968.152

Well, there's also been downed ones, right?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9687.372

It would give us a lot of reason to collaborate. And like Ronald Reagan was saying, it would force us to recognize that we really are one thing here on planet Earth. It's us together. We're not different countries. It's fucking – it's crazy. We're all just – of course there's different countries, but we're just human beings. We should all just be like the same thing. We don't need to fight.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9706.853

There's no reason for any of this stuff. All this shit can be worked out. And in the future, it should be. I just think technology's got to kind of like help us along in that direction. That's probably exactly what's happening.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9718.761

But it's pretty strange that in the meanwhile, like in what we're facing today with these superpowers duking it out and trying to develop technological and military dominance, this would be in the movie the exact time that alien life would start showing up. If you're gonna have a movie like where the aliens come to make sure we don't kill ourselves Now would be arrival time.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

972.794

There's video footage and there's people driving in their car and cop cars are surrounding this thing. That was a plane. It was a plane? I think that was a plane crash. Oh.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9742.555

Yeah, now would be the time.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9755.495

Yeah. Yeah. A lot bigger things to worry about and a lot bigger things to look forward to. And I think the only way we're going to know what the territory is, is if we get a legitimate map. I think some people have a legitimate map of what we're looking at and some people don't. And that's where you and I agree. That's kind of fucked up. And it's not their position. You shouldn't be able to.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9823.26

I think it's possible to do. I really do. And I think that's what the general public wants at this point.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9830.124

I think people are really tired of not knowing. It's all bullshit. Tell me it's bullshit. Tell me how you know it's bullshit. And if it's all real, fuck you for hiding it for so long. How you been hiding this for so long? How do you think this, if you had to guess, how do you think this drone thing gets resolved? I mean, they can't just stay in the sky.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

985.98

Can you find that one, Jamie? Okay. But again, this is the problem with social media, especially with someone like me who's just kind of scrolling for five minutes and go, what the fuck? And then my kids ask me something, I got to get out of the house, all right, let me put my phone down. So I haven't done any kind of a deep dive, and I did that purposely just to try to pick your brain.

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9867.574

Do you think it's possible that they're just testing to see how people would react to drones flying around in space?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9886.928

But why would they communicate with state and local authorities if they could do it in a way where they get clearance to do it and it's a need-to-know thing and they just have these things fly around just to gauge how the public's perception would be?

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#2244 - Ryan Graves

9954.535

Well. Do we have drones that are capable of doing exactly what these things are doing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2244 - Ryan Graves

9967.741

So is this domestic? Are these Chinese drones, like the top-of-the-line drones that can do what these things are doing? Are we making those here?

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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd

10973.257

Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.

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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd

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So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.

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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd

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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd

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Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.

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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd

414.937

So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.

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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd

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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd

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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd

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Huh.

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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd

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Huh.

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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd

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Yeah.

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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd

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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci

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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci

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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci

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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci

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Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.

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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci

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So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.

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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci

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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci

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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci

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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci

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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci

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#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

1096.024

J.D., what was the whole experience like for you, like starting from the first contact with Josh and, you know, how your situation unfolded where you were getting wrongfully accused?

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#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

1171.583

Well, it's compromised today. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is.

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#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

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Josh Duber, my man. Introduce your friend.

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#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

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You want to think the people that are evil, that are manipulating people and falsely trying people, they're like evil geniuses.

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#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

1673.985

It was... Nobody wants to believe that politics and that law enforcement could be that dirty.

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#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

1689.129

What a perfect storm.

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#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

1748.19

Because it was happening in the cloud of it all, you had to focus on one thing.

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#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

1790.466

Which is also good for your opponents because it makes you bad at your job.

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#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

1830.04

The lawfare is very un-American. It's a very un-American thing to do to unjustly accuse someone of crimes and use your position of power to try to arrest that person and jail that person. That's very un-American. That's how we should all look at it. Instead of looking at it in terms of like parties and this is – these are my people. This is against me. This is for me. It's bad for the country.

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#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

1859.405

Real bad for the country. We are supposed to represent freedom on the world stage. We're supposed to be the people that have the most freedom of speech, the most freedom of expression, the best path to success if you're a nobody. This is supposed to be a place where everybody gets a shot. And if you allow the system to unjustly accuse and prosecute people for crimes that are demonstrably false,

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#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

1882.558

That's very, very un-American. And that's how we should look at it. I mean, instead of this fucking fuck my enemies, us versus them, you're kind of committing treason. You're kind of ruining everyone's... If you could pull it off, you ruin our faith in what this thing is supposed to be.

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Do you think... Is it possible to have a third-party system? Like, you know, you have your prosecutors, you have your defense attorneys. Is it possible to also have an overview by an independent group before anything gets started where people can present their evidence so you can find out if something's totally bullshit?

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And who consists of the grand jury? Who are the members?

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Well, it's nine citizens in Ohio.

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What I was asking about is an independent group of attorneys. That's interesting. Instead of having a...

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grand jury system have a completely independent and then regulate it make sure they're independent no financial ties no no ties to anybody that's a part of any of it and then make sure that those people that their position is to review things and make sure there's no bias and there's no bullshit Before you could actually say, yeah, let's try it out in court.

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Yes. It should be equal sides. The prosecution side should be able to divulge their evidence. The defense side should be able to divulge their evidence. It should be independently reviewed by a group of completely outside attorneys that have no vested interest in the results of this whatsoever.

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It's not a bad idea because people would be less likely to try to commit fraud because then you would have to have some conspiratorial relationship with the people that are the independent attorneys now. There'd be another paper trail. It'd be a little sketchier. You wouldn't know if you could pull that off.

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That would be dangerous, especially if they're completely independent and you don't know them. So the way you could do it would be you could – You could find independent... First of all, think about the amount of money we spend in this country on shit that everybody agrees is terrible. If we could funnel some... I don't even want to bring up whatever political cause.

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If we could funnel some of that money into preserving innocence, make sure that people are never tried with a crime that they shouldn't be tried with. And it's not that you have a bad defense attorney and they have an awesome prosecutor. It's all, is this a legitimate case? And if you started doing that, there would be consequences for bringing up illegitimate cases. You would be investigated.

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You could potentially face charges.

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Yeah, this would be the time that something like that could get pulled off. I think there's a problem. And I think the problem is people are very competitive and they want to win. Everybody wants to win. And it's important for your career if you win. And when people play games, they cheat. I see people cheat at pool. I've seen professionals cheat at pool. I've seen people cheat at cards.

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I've seen people cheat at everything. People cheat. They want to win. horrible byproduct of that instinct that we have to win when attached to a legal system that could lead innocent people to be prosecuted i was listening to um a podcast today about um the founding of jerusalem and it was in one of the cases was a guy who was in trouble for something that he didn't commit.

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They knew he didn't commit it. And then they kept him in jail and trumped up charges and charged him with something else. So it's just like, this is 1948 or 47 or whatever it was. So this shit's been going on probably thousands of years. People have been prosecuting people for things that they didn't do, knowing they didn't do it so they can win. I think cops do it sometimes.

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I've seen cops plant drugs. I've seen it on video. There's a ton of them online. You can see cops plant guns. You can see there's one where a cop shot a guy and then pulls out a gun and throws it on the ground. You can see the video of it. He didn't know he was being filmed. It fucking happens.

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It happens because people want to win. They want to win. They're playing a game and they're in a system and the system rewards success. And if you fucking fail or if something falls apart and it looks bad, your career doesn't progress.

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It's like that. Do you know that quote about capitalism? Capitalism is the absolute worst way to run a country except for all the other ways. Right.

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But wouldn't it be valuable for the people to know that the prosecuting attorneys are very ethical? Wouldn't that make you trust them more and want to support them more? Wouldn't that be good for everybody if they just said a mistake was made when a mistake was made?

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Shout out.

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Because you apologized or because you exonerated him?

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It's terrifying.

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That'd be a hell of a double cross.

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Shout out to that guy.

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So the reason why that's significant is the last time we were here, we were talking about that case, the case of the Ohio 4. So why don't you recap that for everybody, for people that didn't listen to the previous podcast where we talked about this.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, the reality is if you grew up where they grew up and you lived their life, you're probably selling drugs, too. One hundred percent. That's reality. Nobody likes that. Everybody's got that pulled them up by their bootstrap shit in their head. That's not real. That's not real. You grow up in crime. You commit crime. 100%.

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It's not 100% that if you grow up in crime, you've got to commit crime. Some people get out. Some people realize the folly of other people's ways, and they have incredible strength and resolve and discipline. We get extraordinary people from those circumstances, whether it's in athletics or art or— Music, comedy, there's a lot of people that grew up in horrific circumstances.

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They became very extraordinary because of that pressure. But that's not normal. The normal thing is everybody gets beaten down by what's around you. You imitate your atmosphere. You're a part of a system that seems inescapable to all your family. to all your friends, people getting locked up, getting out, they're getting murdered, they're selling drugs. That's your reality.

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And if you grew up in fucking Connecticut and you go to private school and you're sitting here talking shit about this, you're so fucking lucky. You don't know how lucky you are. If you're a person that's never committed crimes, never gone to jail and never done anything horrible. You are so lucky. That's right. You're so lucky.

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You're so lucky you didn't have to shoot somebody who was stealing money from you because you're both involved in some crime together and he was going to kill you. And all of a sudden you're in jail. You're like, what the fuck have I done? There's people out there doing that.

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There's people out there that are committing crimes, wishing they didn't have to commit them, wishing they had some sort of pathway to life or some life skills or some education or

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counseling or mentorship or something that have given them a path to get out of there and be what everybody wants to be, a normal, healthy person who's enjoying their life, enjoying their family, enjoying their friends, and hopefully you get to make a living doing something you like doing too. That's what everybody fucking wants. Just everybody doesn't grow up in the right circumstances.

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Some people just get a shit roll of the dice, right out of the gate, pop out of the vagina, right into chaos.

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They didn't have a shot. I mean, so many of these people, they're just growing up abused physically, mentally. They're seeing drug addiction in the household. It's just... It's not the same for everybody. So, yeah, it sucks that they were selling drugs. It sucks that anybody sells drugs. It sucks that people die of overdoses. It sucks that people get addicted. All that sucks.

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But that's not murder.

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And you can't charge people for shit they didn't do.

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I mean, I'm not a full believer in determinism because I think will is real. I think free will, there's just an element of will and that's one of the reasons why we seek inspiration from others, right? Inspiration is fuel for will, you know, whether it's reading or just watching how people live their lives by example. That fuels people to make better decisions. Is that a part of determinism?

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If it is, maybe I do believe in it. But I think that there's a certain aspect of will. But you can't deny circumstances. You can't deny environmental influences. You can't deny poverty. You can't deny growing up abused. You can't deny those things. We have a real problem in this country is that we only treat the side effects.

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We only treat the symptoms of this greater problem, the symptoms of the crime. They're a side effect of poverty and of horrible environments that never get fixed and that probably a lot of them are there because of redline laws and because of Jim Crow laws. All of it started out in the 1950s and 60s when they started making these places where you literally couldn't sell to black people.

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I mean there's tracks of Baltimore that were like sectioned off where you could not sell these areas to black people.

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Right. It would take hundreds of years to mellow out. You know, this is like you're talking about the civil rights movement. You can watch videos on YouTube of them sicking dogs on protesters. You can watch that. It's from the 1960s. You can see all that. That's my childhood. That's when I was a baby. That was going on. Okay.

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You know, here I am an adult and there's people alive that experienced that, went through it, and then their children went through it because they carried that trauma.

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That one, to me, seemed like that was going to go that way anyway because of Rodney King. I don't think that had anything to do with being a good jury system or whether or not the prosecutors weren't as good as the defense attorneys. I think that was just horseshit.

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Yeah, the way he's trying on the glove. Get the fuck out of here. He wasn't going to just slip it on. It was a circus. But it was also a wake-up call to people that just because someone's guilty doesn't mean they get convicted. True. You can see it that way, too. I remember watching that case, watching how they did it live on television, the verdict.

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And I remember being in my apartment going, whoa. This girl I was dating at the time, she started crying. She couldn't believe it.

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Pretty fucking guilty.

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Somebody gave me a copy of that book that he wrote, if I did it, and my wife threw it out.

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She wouldn't even let me read it. I never was going to read it. It's one of those books I was just going to put on the shelf. I just watched the news. What the fuck is that? I just... You know, there's certain books.

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You have somebody in your office. You go, look, somebody gave me this book. I'm not reading it.

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Do you think you're going to run again?

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You're a big fucker. I wouldn't let you in my house. I'd be like, this guy's going to rob me.

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You'd be surprised. People just let you right in?

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Well, hopefully this conversation will help you in that regard.

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I'm sure it will. And I'm hoping that all this stuff that you revealed will cause people, and let's be as charitable about this as possible, to just review things and maybe take the correct approach. I hope it does. It seems like if you expose something to this extent that you have today, it seems like something has to be done. You can't just allow this to go on.

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There's too much we know now and too much that's been revealed.

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That's such a small amount of money.

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That's the opposing team. It is. The opposing quarterback's a pussy. And that's the problem.

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I was just watching an officer involved shooting on one of the social media platforms the other day where there's this young, very large man who seemed to be something was wrong. So some some mental issue. Yeah. He was just talking crazy. Maybe he was on drugs. The cops are trying to calm him down for like the longest time. It's a long, prolonged video.

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He escalates, and then he eventually gets physical. And I think they tried to tase him, and it didn't work. And then they wind up shooting this guy. And the officer broke down in tears when it was over. He was devastated. He couldn't believe he had to do this. He was horrified. His hands were shaking. The other officer was comforting him, trying to get him to breathe and calm down.

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But when you see it in real life like that, you see how it actually went down, like how they're trying to make these split-second decisions and this big crazed guy who's out of his fucking mind is running at you.

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And you don't know what to do. You don't know what's going to happen. Is this going to be the end of your life? It didn't happen. That happens all the time. Cops get their guns taken away all the time. It's a terrifying situation.

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They just want to go home. The vast majority of interactions that people have with police are positive. You just only get to see the ones that are negative that get recorded. That's right. And then you get sampling bias because all you see is negative and so you start thinking. I'm sure you saw that Harvard professor who conducted that study about violence and police encounters.

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and he found it was like it wasn't biased towards black people, and people attacked him. Right. Because we're seeing it every day. You're seeing these videos every day. But they're the only videos you're seeing. That's right. They're the only ones you see. That's right. You don't see the have a nice day, thank you for your service, I appreciate you too, knuckles. Drive safe. You don't see those.

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That's right. Those are real. Those things happen where cops smooth things over and everybody's okay and they go home and everybody's fine. That happens too. That happens a lot. It happens way more than the other way. But you think cop murder, black people, bad, everything happened, horrible, bang, bang, windows shot out.

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You see those videos over and over again and they run like a fucking slideshow in your mind.

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Well said. Words to live by. That's right. I think we did it. I think we got it all out. I do, too. I do. Thank you, J.D.

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Thank you for having me. I really appreciate you doing this, and I appreciate your honesty and the way you're able to express yourself. Thank you. It was excellent. Josh, I love you.

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My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody.

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I'll ask him.

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Yeah, you showed it to us the last time. It's really beautiful stuff.

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Yeah, and again, that stuff is like you're dealing with something that's 30,000 years old. It's amazing.

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That's wild. It is. It's just also so cool to be in possession of something, like just to hold this in your hand and to know that this is a part of an animal that roamed the earth 30,000 years ago. Pretty incredible stuff.

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When you're walking around that area, do you get a sense of it? Like, does it feel weird when you're walking around there?

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Right, because it's all rotting, right? Hell yeah.

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Hey, come back later. Just smelling the rot.

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And if it wasn't frozen, that's probably what happened to most of the bones that were left behind by all the animals that didn't die in permafrost.

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Well, you were telling me about a guy who ate some of the – Oh, yeah. He ate some old meat.

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Talk about dry-aged.

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The fact that they get a $770 check... And that's it? That's all those people in Maui got? That's just to let you know. This is a fucking rigged game. So even if you're not happy with what Elon Musk is doing and he has access that he shouldn't have and all this different stuff, you got to rip the Band-Aid off, kids.

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And he made a stew out of old bison meat.

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Wow. Dinner party that served up 50,000-year-old bison stew.

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I would have had to take a bowl of that. I would have had to try it.

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I want to try it at last. I'll let a bunch of other eggheads try it first and stare at them. How are you feeling? What else kind of fucking diseases are in that bison bone that you're thawing out now? I'm going to go heavy duty on this carnivore diet.

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Yeah. It will definitely radically decrease your hunger. To make the stew for roughly eight people, Guthrie cut off a small part of the bison's neck where the meat was frozen while fresh. When it thawed, it gave off an unmistakable beef aroma, not unpleasantly mixed with a faint smell of the earth in which it was found, with a touch of mushroom, he once wrote.

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They then added a generous amount of garlic and onions along with carrots and potatoes to the aged meat. Couple that with wine, it becomes a full-fledged dinner. Did they show a photo of what the dinner looked like? They didn't take pictures back then? No.

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Just because of this bison?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Because he couldn't go to the other place because of the bison. Yeah. That's a pain in the ass.

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Was there any other way to do it? Was there a way to work around it?

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But is it his land?

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And they have the ability to shut things down for a discovery like that? Yes, they did. How come they don't have the ability?

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And then it fucked him.

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This country is trillions of dollars, $36 trillion in debt, and a lot of the stuff that's listed on USAID, all the stuff that's coming out, all these different things that they paid for, they're so frivolous and so fucking insane. It wouldn't be too crazy... It wouldn't be as crazy if we were at A, $36 trillion in debt, and B, not taking care of people in Maui, North Carolina.

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Right.

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So that must have been terrible financially for him.

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Is there any other way to mine around that where you're not going in that one area?

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Because you have experience with these kind of people.

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Yeah, it's not a secret. Let's see how much it is after today, too.

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Yeah, I think it's important, too.

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I do. I love it, and I also love the way you're handling it. I think we're very fortunate that a guy like you owns that piece where you're willing to talk about it publicly and make a stink about it and let everybody know. There's a real part of the puzzle in the history of this earth that's right there.

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So you could be able to find the exact locations and where it was dug.

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So let me ask you this. In a best-case scenario, what would happen? They would give you the bones back, and then what would you do?

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Maybe you have to build it first, and they will come like the fucking Field of Dreams.

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Yeah.

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Well, maybe we could put the bat signal out here on this show and there's got to be some paleontologists that are absolutely fascinated by this that are willing to figure out a way to make it work.

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But the fact that those things exist, that those three things exist, and then people are still... They don't want to say that he's right. They're so locked into this idea.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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They're going to want it for museums, huh? They can't have it. Right, but that's probably what's going to, like if they do find some extraordinary stuff, the way they get value out of it is by putting it on display. Doing studies on it and then putting it on display so people can come pay money to see it, right?

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Instead of the AMNH just having it in their basement.

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Like if a Democrat had found all that, if Joe Biden had went in and found corruption that was in the halls of our government and tried to weed it out and said there's corruption in these NGOs, there's corruption in these not-for-profits, there's a lot of corruption and influence and we're going to weed this out because we want a fair country. The fucking place would be cheering him.

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You were down there in the basement?

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#2271 - John Reeves

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How the fuck can they just leave that there? It's in storage. That seems so insane that you have this extraordinary place that really doesn't get attention until you get on social media. And then the world knows about it, but they've known about it for a hundred years. Like that seems like something you would want people to know about.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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Oh, so you haven't sold what you have.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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What is that? Explain that.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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How do they keep someone from stealing that?

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Then pulled it out.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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Whoa. Look at that. That's crazy. Wow.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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Yep. Wow.

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But just the historical significance of it makes it worth $200,000?

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This would be like some shit JFK would do in 62. Yep. Everybody would be cheering him. Yes, this is what we need, a real president who's really going to come in and fix these things. But because Trump's doing it and the way he does things, it's just like he's a fuck.

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10901.844

Would you think it was going to stop at?

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10909.144

Well, that's probably the same kind of thing that happened with your Sabertooth Tiger Skull. Oh, fuck.

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10915.492

You don't think somebody gave them money for it?

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10929.699

I bet there's a ton of old school families that have like deep old school money that have stuff like that squirreled away somewhere.

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10978.673

And off he goes. Who's got the bones? Timeline reveals park service employees covered up theft of ancient remains. Case of missing bones from the Effigy Mounds National Monument. Took multiple investigations more than 20 years to locate them. Wow. I'm not shocked.

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1102.015

Did you see in the Air Force One, they announced this is the first time a president is ever flying over the Gulf of America, the newly named Gulf of America?

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#2271 - John Reeves

11029.012

How do you wind up always finding these spots to park at where it turns out there's a bunch of ancient stuff in them?

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11064.383

Facing scrutiny, a museum that holds 12,000 human remains changes course. American Museum of National History said it would address its collecting of remains which stretched into the 1940s and including practices now viewed as abusive and racist. So it must be Native American bones. Wow.

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#2271 - John Reeves

11086.359

I like how they put it. They're planning to overhaul their stewardship of more than 12,000 human remains. Painful legacy of collecting practices that saw the museum acquire the skeletons of indigenous and enslaved people taken from their graves in the bodies of New Yorkers who died as recently as the 1940s. Wow. They probably got some of those.

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11109.173

Reconstruction of a burial of a warrior from Mongolia in about 1000 AD. Wow. They decided to remove that?

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#2271 - John Reeves

11121.224

What are they going to leave it there? What are you doing? I want to go look.

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#2271 - John Reeves

11138.288

Well, especially there's no argument if they've had it sitting on their shelves for all this time.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1116.121

It's funny. It's funny. I hope that the good stuff from USAID can be picked back up. I hope that there's some stuff that can be reinstated because I think this genuine good that a lot of these nonprofit organizations and NGOs, a lot of people are genuinely good people that are doing good work and it'd be good for us as a civilization to sponsor some of that.

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11172.796

Listen, of course I was supposed to. I'm fascinated.

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#2271 - John Reeves

11196.303

Well, best case scenario, as we described, they give it back to you. Researchers get involved. You build a facility on site. They study it. Everybody learns. Everybody's happy. That's right.

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11272.19

No.

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11279.572

Mm-hmm.

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Well, John, I really hope you make some ground. I really do. No pun intended. We'll tear some up. You teared some ground up. I appreciate you're out there always fighting this fight and letting people know about this extraordinary discovery that you found in your place, man. It's fucking amazing. It's always great to have you here. Let's keep doing it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

11332.313

Every year I hope we make a little progress. Next year I hope we have something big to discuss. I hope it cracks. I hope this motivates a lot of people, this podcast. I think people need to be refreshed every year to realize what an extraordinary place you have and how crazy it is that there's not more work being done here.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1139.306

But you got to know, like, what's fraud, you know, and how much of it is horseshit and how much of it can you track? There's this guy, Ian Carroll. Did you see Ian's video about it? He was saying that somewhere in the neighborhood of like 90 percent of this stuff that they're paying for doesn't even make it to where it's supposed to be going and that it could just a lot of it could just be fraud.

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#2271 - John Reeves

11434.58

Wow.

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#2271 - John Reeves

11445.342

Well, I hope somebody does some investigations on that. It'd be cool.

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#2271 - John Reeves

11458.244

John, I appreciate you very much. You're the fucking man. You're the man. Always great to see you.

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#2271 - John Reeves

11463.365

Thank you for all the stuff, too. You bet. Thank you. That will take a permanent spot on the desk now.

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#2271 - John Reeves

11470.222

Yes, I feel it. I feel magic coming off of it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

11475.328

All right. I'll give more to Gary. We'll do it again next year, my friend.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1163.029

Did you see that video, Jamie?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1169.576

I know. That's what makes it fun. That's why I like people like him. Him and Candace Owens. They're my favorite go-tos when I want to know who the fucking lizard people are.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1183.38

They're only missing $100 billion, John.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1187.563

$100 billion for all those fine weapons. I don't even know what happened. How did the money get distributed? Where did it go? How are you missing so much? I figure a lot of it never got out of America. But this is the thing about human beings. If you just don't ever have them be accountable, they won't be. They won't be. The United States is like a meth head that we gave a checkbook to.

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1213.987

And at the end of the month, we're like, what the fuck did you buy? He's like, don't worry, man. I got this. I'll cover it. What did you buy?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1225.252

It's a giant business.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1254.356

I think that's most people in the world.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1256.658

The people that aren't like that are the people that are in desperation. The people that are in horrible desperation or people that have been abused. You know? And I've always said... Like there's this compassionate view of immigration in this country, like the progressive, compassionate people. Their idea is we should not stop people from pursuing a better life.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1279.661

And that they come here because where they live is fucking terrible and they want to be able to come here and they want to be able to live the American dream. And we should be open to that. That's great. But you can't do that while you're also letting in terrorists, right? So what is the solution? Because the solution is you bring everybody over here. They commit crimes. You have chaos.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1299.807

Then people demonize the rest of them who are very good people who just want a better life. Because the few that you let in, because you didn't screen at all, the few that you let in that were scumbags, they're fucking gang members and holding up apartment buildings and all this different crazy shit that we know is true. The right way to do it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1316.758

is take what we have in America, the freedom and the ability to prosper and expand that throughout the world. Like if we were good neighbors, what we would try to do is turn Mexico into another America. Not in another America culturally. That's not what I'm saying. But stop being run by the fucking cartels. Stop being run by people who are selling fentanyl.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1343.525

Figure out how to pay people a fair wage. The reason why all those factories went down there, so they could pay people slave labor. Make that illegal. Make that illegal. Make your own shit. We should all help each other get to a state of living that the whole world could live at. If that's not possible, something's real wrong with the system.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1366.122

The top 1% in this country is, I don't know what it is, but the top 1% in the world is $34,000 a year. That's how different the rest of the world is. That's why they're walking here from Guatemala. And I get it. I get it. My thought is if you want to invest money, don't invest money in just like paying all these people to live here and stay at the Roosevelt Hotel and all that crazy shit.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1388.459

Invest money in making their life better where they are. If you could figure out how to make these places where they come from as prosperous as America, wouldn't that be better? Yeah. Isn't that possible? I mean, it's possible here. How come you can't? That's the best concept of spreading democracy, like spread real democracy. But the problem with us is we don't really spread democracy.

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#2271 - John Reeves

14.499

We were supposed to be doing the end of the year, but unfortunately, you got caught with the cooties.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1410.194

We just go over there and take over. We go over there and install a puppet dictatorship and throw the whole fucking country into a tizzy. And a lot of people are getting rich off of it. A lot of people are getting rich. This is the problem. And we're reliant on cheap stuff. All these fucking social justice warriors and virtue signalers, they're all doing it on phones made by slaves.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1436.28

That's what's crazy.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1446.028

Damn. A thousand dollars an ounce?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1449.55

Didn't they find a gang of it in China recently? Oh, they probably got all kinds of it in China. I think China just found some crazy new discovery of an enormous amount of gold.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1466.899

It's real. My son is a... When are you going to get a boneyard crypto coin? 2024, November, China discovered a large gold deposit in the Wangu gold field in the Hunan province. The discovery is estimated to be worth $83 billion, making it one of the largest gold finds in history. Holy shit. The deposit is estimated to contain over 1,000 metric tons of gold.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1495.499

Gold is located in 40 veins that extend up to 3,000 meters underground. The discovery was made using advanced 3D geological modeling. That's incredible. Isn't it amazing? I mean, you're a gold miner. Tell me, like, how do you know where to dig? How do you guys find that stuff? It's real simple.

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#2271 - John Reeves

151.438

The bad kind.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1557.515

That's crazy. Yeah. What's really interesting, too, in this country is the story of the gold miners, like the San Francisco 49ers, the people that came across the country when they found out that they had struck gold. And that must have been a really wild time, a fucking dangerous time, too.

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#2271 - John Reeves

157.621

I guess that's good news.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1576.451

Because you have the lawless West, and then you have a bunch of people who are just desperados who are pulling gold out of the ground. And that guy might have pulled enough gold out of the ground to literally pay for the rest of your life. And he's right there and no one's around.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1612.343

What is three tons of gold worth? A lot. What is that worth, Jamie? This is crazy. Let's guess. Take a guess. I'm so dumb. I don't even know what that would mean.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1630.481

A pound is a pound.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1643.348

So when you buy a pound of gold, you're not getting 16 ounces?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1650.211

What nationality invented that? I don't want to go full Kanye here. The value of three tons of gold depends on the current market value of gold, which is constantly changing. As of now, 2023, one ton of pure 24-karat gold was worth about $55 million. Wow. Wow. This dude had three tons of gold. He had $160 million. $165 million in gold just laying around. That's what him and his wife did.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1680.97

That was what they did. That is so nuts. So this was just pure gold or did he have it made into ingots?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1704.853

What's the biggest nugget you've ever found?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1708.236

Whoa! What does that look like?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1718.435

Like an old school flip phone? About that big?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1723.544

Almost as big as a cell phone? Like an iPhone? Almost? Like half of it?

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#2271 - John Reeves

173.254

We made those up. Yeah. We'll do it at the end of the year. It doesn't have to be that. All right. Thanks for the invite. I look forward to it this year. I'm just happy that you're okay. I am okay. The date didn't matter. Things happen. I'm just glad you recovered. I'm glad you quit smoking, too.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1736.255

And now how much is a piece of gold like that worth right now?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1763.246

Yeah. Suckers.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1774.073

Yeah, you've got to find one that looks like a skull. Oh, you find a skull one. Oh, boy. Oh, they'll be knocking your door. Oh, the real nutty ones. They'll be looking for the dude. The rich occultists would want it. Part of their collection.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1792.964

That makes sense. That makes sense. Did you study the history of gold mining in this country before you got involved?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1800.168

No? No.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1809.997

But it's a crazy way to make a living. You're pulling the most precious thing. The thing that's probably, other than diamonds, which is kind of manufactured, right? There's probably a lot more diamonds than the value suggests. Don't they hoard them up so that it keeps the price high? They do that, right? Very smart. Yeah, De Beers controls. What nationality does that?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1872.277

I think shinola is a shoe polish.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1877.401

Yeah, I'm 90% sure Shinola is. But I don't know which one came first. Like, Shinola might have come after the gold term. You know, it might be a recent corporation. Could be. But I think Shinola is like an old school one. Like, I kind of, I mean, maybe I'm having a fake memory, but I kind of remember it in high school. Like, shoe polish.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1899.185

Now, well, in gold rush terms, gold, like every culture has its own little lingo, right? Is it a shoe polish, Jamie? It is? How long has it been around? They could have stole that from gold. Go and bust. Go and bust. I thought that was a gambling term. I thought that was, but it could be both, right?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1930.906

Right. You hit pay dirt. Right. Yeah. Right.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1949.735

Oh. Schist.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1953.097

That actually makes more sense than shit and Shinola. You can't tell the difference between shit and shoe polish? Don't you smell it? Right?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1963.985

Really? You've never seen a shoe with shoe polish?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1970.45

I have to wear them when I dress up. I wear polished shoes.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1976.011

I dress up. I look like a monkey with a suit on. That's what I look like when I get dressed up.

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#2271 - John Reeves

1983.493

I feel like a fraud whenever I wear a suit. Like, what are you doing? What is this thing you're wearing?

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#2271 - John Reeves

1992.095

Thank you very much. Thank you.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2000.175

Fetterman's an animal. He goes to the fucking inauguration in a pair of shorts and a hoodie. I like that. He's got a Carhartt hoodie on and a pair of shorts and didn't give a fuck. And he's a genuine guy. He's a very nice guy.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2013.738

I like the guy a lot. I saw him when I was there. I gave him a hug, talked to him. He was very friendly. I don't like that he said no. He's going to vote no on Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. I think that's terrible. Yep. I'm biased, obviously. I like both of them very much.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2031.583

I don't know how this works, man. I'm confused about this whole process. I'm confused about what's legal, what's not legal, what you can and can't do, what these executive orders can and can't do. I'm confused how they closed the problem at the border down in three days.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2046.124

just basically like completely put a stop to all the illegal coming in except for like 100 people a day it was thousands a day it was just an overrun of people coming through every day and they stopped it and they said you couldn't stop it they negotiate he negotiated with canada and with mexico to ramp up their border stop the fentanyl from coming like all this stuff seems so common sense

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#2271 - John Reeves

2068.729

It's just amazing to me that people don't look at that. No one is going to trust you if all you talk about is the bad side from the other side. If you don't say, this is good, this is good for all of us. If you don't say that, are you rooting against America? Because when good things happen, do you not want them to happen because a Republican is president?

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#2271 - John Reeves

2091.183

Because that's a very un-American way to look at things. And I think that's where we're at these days. I think there's a giant chunk of our population that is so wrapped up in these social media squabbles and owning people online and talking shit and listening to videos and TikToks.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2106.076

They're so wrapped up in this us versus them shit that they can't see that we're supposed to all be in this together. And even if you don't like that guy... If Trump gets in and he does something that's awesome for the country, you should say that's awesome for the country. Yeah, it's really good that terrorists aren't sneaking into our southern border. That's really good.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2122.769

It's really good that they find all the fucking criminals that are taking over apartment buildings in Aurora, Colorado and root them out. Yeah, that's really good. They should deport them. Yeah, they're fucking criminals. We shouldn't have to deal with that. Yeah, maybe we should fix everything that's going on in North Carolina. Yeah, that's good for everybody.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2139.839

It's like these things are common sense.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2155.559

They're making so much money. Oh, look at the money. When you look at the amount of money some of those congresspeople are worth and you're like, you tell me how. You tell me how. You make $180,000 a year and you're worth $30 million. You tell me how. You tell me how. I can't find a way that makes any sense because you should be really busy, right?

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#2271 - John Reeves

2179.977

So if you should be really busy doing this $180,000 a year job, who has time to have a side hustle that pays you 10 times more? Who has time? Who's doing that?

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#2271 - John Reeves

2199.266

Well, I think a lot of people like being the boss. There's a lot of that. And a lot of people just want to be that person. And when you're in a competition, a hierarchy-based status competition like the president of the United States, everybody wants to be in that spot where everybody calls you sir and everybody shakes your hand and foreign leaders want to meet. You want to feel important.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2220.376

They all do. They can pretend they don't. They all like it. That's why they do it. Otherwise, they wouldn't want their whole life exposed like that and digging into your past and distortions of your character and outright lies, anything to destroy you all over television because they're trying to win an election. If they weren't the person that wants that spot, they wouldn't do it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

223.973

Did you have a hard time kicking the cigarettes? Because you've been smoking like your whole life, right?

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#2271 - John Reeves

2238.087

That's why we don't get good leaders. We don't get people who you would like really want to do it other than Trump. And with that guy, it's like he's kind of a psycho. Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2251.756

Well, I'm sure it helps that you can make money doing it, you know, not from the salary, but from a lot of other stuff. Like it elevates his social profile for sure and makes him more popular, which is part of the brand of Donald Trump. But like, didn't he famously not even get a paycheck?

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#2271 - John Reeves

2272.54

That's fucking amazing. And then this other thing about Elon. Elon's going to steal everybody's money. He has $400 billion. I'm telling you he's not going to steal your money. I'm telling you that's not what he's doing. What he's doing is he's a super genius that's been fucked with.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2288.074

And when you've been fucked with by these nitwits that hide behind three-letter agencies and you're dealing with one of the smartest people alive and he helps Donald Trump get into office and he goes, I want to find out what kind of corruption is really around. Well, you fucked up. You fucked up and picked the wrong psychopath on the spectrum. Because he's going to hunt you down.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2307.284

He's going to find out what's going on. And that's good. That's good for everybody. That's how you should be looking at this. Like, wow, we have a brilliant mind that is examining these really fucking corrupt and goofy systems. And bringing in a bunch of psychopath wizards.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2331.73

Wow, I want to meet her friends. They're probably cool. Imagine the conversation you'd have with her friends. If he's the most unintelligent person she's ever met, wow, her friends must be amazing. I want to go to one of those parties. It's probably just like fascinating person after fascinating person.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2352.82

Well, she's psychic. I don't know if you know this. She's really good at the stock market, like basically. She meditates and she just sees it. She sees how it's going to happen. She should teach that, huh? There's a few honest ones. Sure. There's plenty of honest – just like there's plenty of teachers who don't get the students drunk. The problem is not the honest ones.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2377.136

The problem is the ones that aren't honest, and there's a ton of them, and they don't get rooted out because the system is so corrupt. Probably one of the most unintelligent billionaires I've ever met, seen, or witnessed. That's from AOC. Well – You know, this guy's one of the most morally vacant, but also just least knowledgeable about these systems that we know of, she said. Wow.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2400.442

She used to own a Tesla car. Damn, she don't own a Tesla anymore. Has a history of public disagreements with Mr. Musk, particularly over his Department of Government Efficiency. This team has been examining government spending, which has drawn sharp criticism from Democrats.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2414.753

Last week, Doge gained access to federal payment systems to help with its review, a move that many Democrats viewed as controversial. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez was particularly critical of the involvement of young staffers, saying they don't do their homework clearly and adding that 19-year-olds were being placed in key positions at the Treasury Department. I love it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2435.523

Get those internet wizards on the case. Only he would do that because he understands internet culture and he understands geniuses. He understands a lot of these people have these super brains. They're 19. One of those kids, he was from Omaha. He figured out a way to use AI to decode burnt scrolls.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2480.674

Oh, yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2491.741

Well, as soon as you have real quantum computing where they can run actual programs on it, you're not going to have encryption anymore. Or you're going to have to have some new kind of encryption that we never anticipated before, like maybe you turn on and off. It's going to have to be something that the computer doesn't have access to somehow or another, maybe possibly independent of a system.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2514.562

independent of a system how would it even communicate with you if it's electronic if it has Wi-Fi like the it's gonna get into it there's not you're not gonna be able to stop something that's infinitely more intelligent than any human being from deciphering any kind of goofy ass encryption you have some fucking stupid Apple complex password that I pick for you

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#2271 - John Reeves

2551.058

I'm telling you, we need a boneyard. We need a boneyard coin. We do. How about a boneyard coin? Just don't do a pump and dump. That's the key. You can have your own money. Jamie and I have been talking about it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2566.308

Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2577.997

It costs us two cents to make each penny. To make it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2587.165

Wow.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2589.927

So you actually could profit from melting pennies.

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#2271 - John Reeves

259.538

It's a weird thing because it kills you slowly. And along the way, it gives you just a little bit of happiness. A little bit of happiness while it kills you slowly. And it's not just a problem of killing you slowly. It's how it's going to kill you. The way it's going to kill you, it's going to suffocate you.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2594.877

Right, but melting them down to sell it for raw copper is actually profitable.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2603.604

I remember when I was doing construction, one of the sites that one of the guys had got robbed where they stole all the copper pipes. And I was like, what? How much is copper worth? It's worth a lot. I would have never imagined that. U.S. pennies were made of 2.5% copper and 97.5% zinc.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2624.955

Penny contains a small amount of copper that's plated on top of a zinc base. Oh, interesting.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2632.24

Yep. Okay, so in the 80s, they were real pennies. So if you get one of them old pennies, that's a valuable penny. You weigh a penny to determine if it's copper or zinc. A copper penny weighs 3.11 grams, while a zinc penny weighs 2.5. Interesting. Yeah, coins are weird. Like, enough of that.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2652.482

I fucking, I know it's stupid because you are, like, a part of the system and you can't control it, but I love paying for things with my phone. I love going, looking in my face and pressing on the register and thank you.

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I love it. It's like, I feel like I'm living in the future. It's my favorite. It's so irrational. It's my favorite thing to do is to pay for shit with my phone. I would pay for everything with my phone if I could.

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Just use your face, touch it, and it pays for the... I love... I'm so stupid. I love the little check that comes up. Oh, yay, I paid for it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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Right. It's weird. It is weird. It's weird because, like, who's controlling it? And if you have the same sort of oversight that you had with all the stuff that Doge is showing, where it's all this corruption and waste and $100 billion is missing from...

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Ukraine and like what would you do how many how much money did you spend on these fucking charging stations and how many of you made all that kind of stuff if you look at all if that's all applied to money too and it's digital money like how do I know where you have it if you even have it right because this is part of the problem with money in banks

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that they don't really have all the money that you put in there. Like if you put in $10 million to a bank, guess what? They don't have $10 million to give you. Like if you say, I want my $10 million back. That's a process. You have to get it. They're going to really try to discourage you. You can't get it that day. A lot of things have to happen.

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If you show up at a bank and you're fucking Jeff Bezos or something where they're not worried about where it came from and you want to deposit $10 million and you have a fucking bag and you're wheeling in on like a luggage cart and it's $10 million and they count it and they put it in there. Yeah, but it's not there anymore. They're going to loan that out. They're going to do stuff with it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

276.089

I have a friend, my friend Mike, who owns the Comedy and Magic Club in Hermosa Beach. And he was trying to convince a friend of mine to quit smoking because his wife is a nurse. I believe so. I believe I'm not out of school. But he was explaining that the way people die of lung cancer, the way people die at the end, it's horrible. You don't see that. You just hear he died of cancer.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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They don't have it right there. Yeah, no. No, it's all. So it's all weird. Like, the whole economy is weird. Everything's weird. Because since we went off the gold standard, it's like, what is it based on? And how do you guys just print more of it every time you need something? Every time you want to do something, you just print more?

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#2271 - John Reeves

2799.702

Well, they're mentally ill.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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Well, I think a lot of people weren't really doing well before COVID. You know, there's a lot of people that are fragile. They're barely hanging on already. You know, a lot of people are like really anxious about diseases. I have friends that are like that.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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I know a few guys in the comedy community that really cracked during that time because they were already filled with anxiety and some of them were already hypo contracts and they cracked. And they're not the same people anymore. People don't want to hang out with them anymore. They're weird. They're just broken. And they wear masks everywhere.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2840.006

She's probably a Republican. That's what it is. It's a MAGA hat. It's a Democrat's MAGA hat.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2850.766

Well, they might as well have fox ears on. They're mentally ill.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2860.37

Yeah, but that's a big difference. Yeah, it is a big difference. Fucking invisible viruses as you're driving your car. By the way, I think fox ears are more noble. Because if you put little fox ears on, you're like one of those furries. At least you're just having a good time. You're just having a good time. You like wearing fox ears. Who gives a shit? The mask is just stupid.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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It's just, what do you like, smelling your own breath? What do you like, not being able to breathe as good? What do you like? What do you like, pretending that viruses can't get through those fucking gaping holes that are all around the outside of your face and through the fabric, which is the reason why you can breathe in the first place, you fucking idiot?

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Face like that.

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#2271 - John Reeves

29.406

I've been waiting for that. The calendar's all bullshit anyway. It's supposed to be on that old one that's 13 months. There you go. So what happened? What did you catch?

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#2271 - John Reeves

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We had JRE masks that we were selling during the pandemic. And Sanjay Gupta brought one in like it was a gotcha. Like, you sell masks. Like, yeah, because people have to wear them. Not because they make sense. They don't make any sense. You know they don't make sense. Shut the fuck up. That was one of the weirdest beginnings of COVID.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2921.872

When I started really wondering how anybody could believe that this stupid surgical mask, which is supposed to stop like driplets of spit and food from your mouth dropping into a wound as you're operating. They're not supposed to protect you from viruses. That's not what they're there for. The fact that people started wearing those, and then some people were just wearing bandanas.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2942.348

And my favorite, which is maybe the dumbest of all time, people would wear that shield. So it's open air. Open air. All this is open. And then there's a shield. And they would be walking down the street with a fucking shield over their face like... This is mental illness. That's all this is. This is people responding to stress that they can't handle and they're freaking out. That's all this is.

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#2271 - John Reeves

2964.822

This isn't normal. And the more we allow this, the more we rationalize this, and the more we enable this by not telling them they're fucking ridiculous. Take your goddamn mask off when you come into the store. No, you can't come into the store like you're going to rob it. It's 2025. Take that fucking stupid thing off.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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And the more you allow people to just continue with this delusion, they get in these social groups on Twitter and they talk about the power of the mask. And I feel so much better when I'm wearing a mask and, you know, I'm being safer for others. And they all agree with each other. I'm like, you're all, you should be in an asylum.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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You don't see what the final days are like. And it's avoidable. It's avoidable.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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You should all go to Alaska and see what bears look like in the flesh. You should go salmon fishing. Get the fuck outside your house. You're sick. Yep.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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Good to see you, my friend.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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I hear you, bro.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3014.381

I hear you, yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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Also, you're a giant. Like, you with a mask on is scary because it's like, what is he up to? Why is he covering his face? What's his plans?

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#2271 - John Reeves

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Right.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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That's more important, really, than anything. I would say if I had to choose between one thing that you should do to make yourself healthy, I would say exercise. Maybe even over food. I'd say maybe it's close. It's real close. Food's probably maybe. But no, you've got to exercise, too. They're almost like cancel each other out. Or equal, rather.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3097.179

You're right. So we got to get you fit. I'm trying. Got to get you fit. Got to get you dieting. I do. We just got to get you to eat only meat. Try that. Try that one. Is that what they call the keto? Carnivore. Carnivore? Carnivore diet. I could do that one. That's the move. I'm telling you. Are you doing that one? Yeah, I do that. Whenever I do that, I feel way better.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3115.154

I do it like in sprints because- I'm Italian, and Italians love pizza and pasta. I love that shit. If I go to New York, I'm breaking my diet. I'm going to get sandwiches from my man Giovanni's Deli. I'm going to eat Italian food. I'm going to go off. I need it. Every now and then, I just want to have it just for the...

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#2271 - John Reeves

3134.691

Yeah, you could have eggs. I eat eggs all the time. The whole idea is you're only eating animal products. I don't eat anything else other than some fruit. I'll eat like an orange or a banana here and there. I'll have some blueberries with some yogurt. But the idea is what you're really doing is mostly eating meat. And so most of my diet is red meat. And when I eat like that, I feel so much better.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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I feel clear-headed. I have more energy. It's more stable throughout the day. I feel like my brain functions better. When I eat carbs, I just start getting sloppy. I just start getting slow. It's like I don't think there's anything wrong with carbohydrates. Don't get me wrong. But I do think that... they're really easy to overconsume.

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#2271 - John Reeves

318.963

Yeah, I was amazed that you could still fly so quickly.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3183.142

And if you're a glutton, which I definitely am, I'm a glutton, I will eat two pizzas. If you give me some fucking good, some really good New York pizzas, I will eat two of those bitches. I will eat until I'm sick. I just have always been like that. I always eat too much food. I have an appetite that just won't stop with pasta. But not with steak. Steak cuts you off.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3206.561

There's a thing about eating protein, steak, things like chicken. You don't eat too much of it. You eat enough and then you stop. They have what's called a high satiety level. Like high protein foods have a very high satiety level. And so like I'll eat like a 16 ounce elk steak. I don't want to have nothing else. I'm good.

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#2271 - John Reeves

322.667

You drove from Alaska? Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3226.485

But if there's spaghetti there and if there's some fucking macaroni and cheese, you know, if there's potato salad, if there's a little, then I'll start, I'll keep going. I'll keep eating. And then I'll have way more calories really than I need with the same amount of nutrients. The thing is like for performance, for like athletes, I don't think the carnivore diet's the right way to go.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3246.091

I think you should supplement with, there's nothing wrong with, I don't think there's anything wrong with rice. I don't think there's anything wrong with vegetables. I don't think there's anything wrong with fruit. I think the real problem with a lot of people is pastas and breads and just processed food and garbage. I think we're just eating poison most of the day.

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#2271 - John Reeves

325.949

Oh, that's right. Florida in the wings.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3268.586

I think if you can just eat regular whole food, I think you're better off. But I think you got to, even now, I think you have to clean your rice. Because I keep hearing shit about rice having glyphosate on it. Is that true? I was reading this thing about rice being a, I know it's the case with corn and wheat. They think that's why some people have what they perceive to be a gluten sensitivity.

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#2271 - John Reeves

328.591

How long did that take, though? That's a couple days.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3296.487

But they really probably are getting sick from glyphosate, which is so crazy to think. But it sounds nuts. But then they've tested people and they found out the group that they tested, 90% of them had traceable levels of glyphosate in their blood. Glyphosate drift to rice, a problem for us all. Yeah, here it is. This is from 2011. Fuck.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3319.85

Damage inflicted by derelict glyphosate during this period is often invisible and not noticed until harvest. Damage is characterized by significantly decreased yields and milling. The rice often exhibits the first signal that has been hit with a drift, kernels shaped like a parrot's beak. This is so dark. And then you eat it. Yay, yay. The reality is, farming, and I'm no farmer, right?

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#2271 - John Reeves

3347.495

Be clear, I don't know what I'm talking about. But I've talked to a bunch of farmers. I've talked to these guys like Joel Salatin, who runs that Polyface Farms, or Will Harris, who runs White Oak Pastures. These guys who run these regenerative farms, what they're saying makes sense. They're saying the other way is suicide. The other way is bad for the land. It's bad for the people.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3370.271

It's bad for the environment. They're using tons of chemicals. The way to do it is the way nature has been doing it for millions of fucking years. You have a bunch of cows. They shit in the grass. You have a bunch of pigs. They root things up. You have a bunch of chickens. They eat all the bugs. Everybody lives together. Everybody nutrient-rich soil. They're all like...

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#2271 - John Reeves

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part of this complete system, this complete ecological system. And it's carbon neutral. They say that when they raise cows like that, they actually sequester carbon. The question is, can you feed everybody in LA and New York like that? I don't think so. So it's like, what did we do?

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#2271 - John Reeves

3411.285

We got so far ahead of ourselves that it seems like we have this requirement for food that almost demands this kind of crazy farming. That's where it's fucked because if they don't farm like that, if everybody has to go to like a Joel Salatin, Will Harris model, is there enough land to grow enough meat like that? Is there enough land to let all the pigs loose?

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#2271 - John Reeves

3432.04

Is there enough land to have all the chickens just roaming around? Is there enough land for that? I don't know.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3443.598

There's not a single farm in L.A., and there's 20 million hungry people just scarfing up food all day long. It's gross. And you need all these farms out there just constantly making life forms for people to consume. It's really a crazy, crazy thing that we've done. Because we've completely overpopulated areas where they don't grow any food. It's like the dumbest strategy of all time.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3470.817

We rely 100% on transportation.

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#2271 - John Reeves

349.86

It happens in two hours.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3515.622

Yeah. Those are the people that are going to suffer the most with A.I., AI and automation. Once they have those Tesla trucks that can just drive themselves, they never get into car accidents. Those fucking things are everywhere. You never have to worry about them staying up all night and whether or not they're going to make a mistake behind the wheel.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3532.819

Once they get that totally dialed in, we're going to have a real problem. That's going to be a real problem because you're going to have so many people out of work and so many people that are going to say, hey, figure it out. Well, they've been delivering your stuff. You've been depending upon them.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3546.383

Every Amazon package you order, every time you get anything delivered to your house, any time you're moving, any time, you're relying on truck drivers, and that job's just going to go away.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3558.507

And that's a lot of people. I think – didn't we look up the number of people that drive trucks or drive – that do – that are drivers, whether it's taxi drivers? I think they put them all together, like people who drive for a living. I think it's more than a million. I think more than a million just truck drivers. That's crazy. Like that one invention will put a million people out of work.

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#2271 - John Reeves

358.547

That's a real problem with people who don't venture outside of the bubbles. If they're in those left-wing liberal bubbles like New York and California, the people that don't travel. What helped me a lot is doing stand-up on the road.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3584.78

Have you seen those things?

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#2271 - John Reeves

3587.885

Not the big ones. They're just the beginning. The ones that they have now are just the beginning. The United States has over 3.5 million professional truck drivers, but the trucking industry is facing a shortage of drivers. Wow. So they need more. They have over 3.5 million and they need more. Google Tesla Semi. This thing's crazy looking.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3611.072

This looks like something straight out of a science fiction movie. It's a giant electric. Go to images. It looks like something out of a fucking science fiction movie. It's a giant electric truck. It makes no noise other than the tire. Like you hear the tires rolling around the ground. You don't hear any. Look at the seat of this fucking thing. Two screens. And it drives itself.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3640.262

And they're going to be really good at driving themselves. Like right now, they're really good, but they're going to be really, really, really good. They're going to be better than people. So they're not going to make any mistakes and they're going to be safe.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3651.977

And as long as all their sensors are working and as long as all their equipment is reliable, they'll be better at detecting accidents and stopping accidents and avoiding things than people are.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3669.631

Like for taxi cabs? Yeah. Bro, how long before they get attacked by the free Palestine people? That's the other thing we found out through all this Doge stuff. How much of this stuff that you see that you think is organic, these riots and protests, how much of that is funded? How much are we paying for the decisions that are costing us that? Like how much?

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#2271 - John Reeves

3694.323

We're spending money to like $27 million went to the George Soros DA fund. That's so crazy. That's more than he puts in. Yeah. We were paying to get shitty DAs elected. It's nuts. And anybody who doesn't think it's nuts, it's like, listen, you're not paying attention. You're captured. You must be captured. And this is not saying that USA doesn't do good things. I'm sure they do.

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#2271 - John Reeves

370.101

Because I was on I was everywhere so I would go to all these different towns all over the country you get to see a whole different group of people a whole different kind of people you know it's like People are the same and different everywhere you go and this idea that the people in the middle are stupid especially now that's a really dumb way to look at it because of the internet and

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#2271 - John Reeves

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But the amount of things that they do that are ridiculous should concern you. And if it doesn't concern you, we're talking nonsense. We're not having a real conversation.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3736.696

Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3740.728

There's a lot of people like that, but they're quiet because the blues will come for you.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3760.029

Isn't that weird? It didn't really feel like that. Like the consciousness of the country was like a rat, like we're going to rat on you. You couldn't just have fun and talk about things. You couldn't have an opinion that wasn't like right out of mainstream news. You had a 100 percent toe the line or you were attacked.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3793.186

You get a lot of support behind that. You get a lot of support from the environmental people, too.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3800.392

Oh, really?

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#2271 - John Reeves

3813

Okay, the claim that Mike Benz establishes in his research is that USAID paid out $27 million in grants to the Tide Foundation. B, the Tides Foundation is a major funder of the Soros-backed group. Fair and just prosecution. Benz frames this as though it's evidence of USAID funding...

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#2271 - John Reeves

3832.088

fair and just prosecution that seems like it is um this framing only works you have no idea what the tides foundation is or how large foundations like it operate tides is an intermediary funder meaning that it facilitates grants from or originating grantors the money people to receive grantees the people getting the money if you're a big organization like usa you don't give money to tides to do with it what they will

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#2271 - John Reeves

3856.71

You forward money through TIDES to a specific recipient of your choosing. Why do you send your money through Middlemen instead of giving it directly? For the same reason people always use Middlemen to facilitate contracts, because Middlemen know how to deal with paperwork, to supervise contracts, and so on. Did USA give money to FJP? You can figure that out quickly for yourself.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3876.624

Go to usaspending.gov, set keyword TIDES. And awarding agency to USAID. Click submit. Go to tab grants tab. You will see four grants. Open each one. The lion's share of USAID's money came to a single grant of $24.6 million. If you click through, you see it is described as a civil society innovation initiative fiscal agent. Read that. That sounds Orwellian.

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#2271 - John Reeves

388.849

Now everybody kind of has access to information. And you're going to have dumb people and you're going to have smart people no matter where you go, including in the cities. But the problem in the cities is the dumb people can trick you because they believe the things that the smart people believe. And they say them loudly. And so they think they're smart.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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Civil Society Innovation Initiative Fiscal Agent. The fiscal agent description means that the Tide Center acted as a middleman for the government's money. The Civil Society Innovation Initiative was the end recipient. Already, the FJP USAID link has been broken. But what else can we say about this grant? Well, that doesn't seem like it's been broken.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3927.952

That seems like you've given this money to an agency or to this... this group. You haven't disproven that this group is attached to Soros. It says, first off, CS2 was awarded the grant in 2016, FJP. The Soros org was founded a year later in 2017. Still doesn't mean they don't work together now, and it doesn't mean that he wasn't a part of the people that were doing it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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I'm not saying he is, and I'm not saying he was, but I'm saying this is not disproving anything. As far as I can tell by Googling, there has never been any organizational affiliation between the two organizations. Okay, by Googling? That's it? You just Googled? I want you to Google vaccine injuries and tell me if there's any. Good luck. Good luck. COVID-19 vaccine injuries.

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#2271 - John Reeves

3977.427

Tell me you can decide everything that you need to know about COVID-19 vaccine injuries by a Google search. You're not going to, right? Okay, so by Googling, there's never been any organizational affiliation between the two organizations. CS2's work appears to be funding civil society organizations, CSOs abroad. What does that mean? As far as I can tell, that's a little vague.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4001.979

It mainly means they give money out to nonprofits in foreign countries to do things like monitor and fight disease spread, monitor human rights abuses. This sounds a little like whitewashing. Promoting digital security and so on. They do only good things, John. They definitely don't get involved in shady characters that are trying to rewrite the way our legal system deals with violent criminals.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4028.185

I've never understood Soros. I don't get it either. Elon Musk hates him. I have a limited amount of knowledge, but I do know that he spends a lot of money on these super progressive liberal DAs. I don't know whether or not Mike Benz, who's going to be here soon, can really trace that $27 million. I'll ask him. But the end of the line, it's like, this is all vague.

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#2271 - John Reeves

403.677

So this is a way to be smart without actually being smart. Just say the things that smart people say and say it like you're defending it and you're defending freedom or science or some shit, democracy, whatever it is. You just yell it out. And then the smart people won't say anything because you're saying the things that they want to say.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4049.26

What's that $24 million going to? It might be going to fight diseases. Or a shore. Or you don't know. How about you don't know? And all you did was Google whether or not those people know each other? That's crazy. Doesn't mean they do. Doesn't mean it's corrupt. Doesn't mean it goes to Soros funds. But you didn't disprove it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4079.901

Yeah, a lot of AI stuff.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4112.121

Yeah. He didn't do that. I wonder if that's even legal. That was fake news. Right, but that seems like if you can make a stylish video about, I wonder if that's legal, right? Like, I don't know what the rules are. I don't even know if it should be legal.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4129.92

Like, what are the rules in terms of if you're involved in some sort of a government agency or a government discovery agency, which is like what Doge is, right? If you're involved in that, like, would you be able to propagandize to the people, even in a positive way, even if it's true? Like, make a video showing how amazing a job you're doing and do it in a cinematic way that makes it compelling?

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#2271 - John Reeves

4153.347

That seems like a lot of influence, right?

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#2271 - John Reeves

4162.981

I didn't even ask him, and then I went online looking for them.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4178.493

Well, that's like when everybody thought that JFK Jr. was going to come back to life and show up in Dallas. Yeah. There's a lot of those online that you have to wonder what those are. Because I used to think, oh, there's just some idiot made this up. But now I'm more inclined to think that some of that is just more disinformation that's designed to muddy the waters of truth.

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#2271 - John Reeves

419.431

And the other people are like, hey, I know what you're doing. And more than anything, it turns people off.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4205.029

And the more of that, the better. The more it makes it easy to like move stuff around and you forget about other things. Like what's Benghazi? I got this to worry about. And there's like always some new thing that's popping up everywhere. And it's like keep you distracted completely. Trump's going to have four commercials about how Elon Musk. No, nothing. Not one commercial.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4225.197

I did think it was interesting that Taylor Swift got booed. We talked about that. That was crazy.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4247.623

Jesus Christ. So ridiculous. Imagine you being the people that are around him and you see that tweet and you're like, oh, fuck. Take his phone away. Satire. The claim about Elon spending $40 million on ads for the Super Bowl originated from the TikTok account Brian Banjo. Brian Banjo is a satire account. Oh, okay. So people just ran with it. There you go.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4275.359

That makes sense. That makes sense.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4285.061

Yeah. That is an actor that's doing that. And that's why it's like a really close cropped footage of him. You don't like zoom in. He doesn't quite look like Kubrick, but he looks like a weird old guy with a beard. And so if you don't know what Kubrick looks like. Yeah. Yeah. Not Kubrick. But if anybody faked the moon landing, it was that guy.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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We didn't land there. Well, he said some weird stuff, but the weird stuff you could attribute to like Biden-type weird stuff. Like when you get old, sometimes the old dome don't work so good, and your words come out goofy. Like he was talking to that young girl, because it didn't happen. We never went. Like he said something weird like that.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4330.973

But I think as a conspiracy theorist, I want to believe that that's him letting everybody know. That's not nearly as interesting as the Neil Armstrong one. The Neil Armstrong one is crazy. And this is at the 25th anniversary of the moon landing. He gives a speech in front of America's best and brightest high school students. And.

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#2271 - John Reeves

434.149

Yeah, you run into interesting characters. All right, it's February. And by now, 80% of people have probably abandoned their New Year's resolutions. And it makes sense. Life can get crazy, and all of a sudden, you don't have the time. But one easy habit to stick with is AG1. It's an easy, realistic habit that you can make to benefit your whole body health.

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#2271 - John Reeves

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Instead of saying, I went to the moon, it was amazing, he gives the most cryptic explanation for what they have to do in order to progress in science. Play it for me, Jamie. Because when you see it, when you listen to it, you're like, what the fuck is he saying? And why would you ever say that when you're giving a speech to the best high school students in the country at the White House?

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#2271 - John Reeves

4384.878

Why would you say this? Like, play it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4386.419

The anniversary of the event in 1994, Neil Armstrong made a rare public appearance and held back tears as he spoke these brief cryptic remarks before the next generation of taxpayers as they toured the White House.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4432.034

What the fuck does that mean? Breakthroughs for those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. Truth's protective layers? What the fuck does that mean? Like, why would you say that? That is so cryptic. I don't care what reasonable explanations you have. That is undeniably cryptic.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4457.705

And if you're a person that did something in 1969 that no one's come even close to recreating today, it's a little weird. It's a little weird. And that's just part of what's a little weird about it. It's a little weird that it's got almost a religious connotation to it where people want to believe in it like they believe in the resurrection. They want to believe in it despite any evidence.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4481.363

I believe in the resurrection more. How about that?

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#2271 - John Reeves

4491.739

The moon landing one, I'm like, I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know. But if I had to guess, I don't think so. And then what's really weird is we had that Bart Sabril guy on. That was his documentary. Funny thing happened on the way to the moon. He was showing us some footage where the Russians had used AI to do an analysis on some of the photos from the moon.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4517.03

And they said that they were deceptive. So they use AI on all these other images that can show a high 90% accuracy, whether or not something's been fucked with. And they're like, these have been monkeyed with. This is all edited.

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#2271 - John Reeves

454.646

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#2271 - John Reeves

4551.685

They can do a whole podcast with your voice now. Not only could they do a whole podcast with your voice, AI could generate the content. Like you'd say, I want to talk to John Reeves about biological evolution and what the current state of science is and what the future holds for us.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4572.774

Probably because they could make a one-hour podcast with you just relaying the current state of the art in science. It's really wild. And it's probably going to get worse. Like, it's going to be so good that I'm going to think it's you. Or I'm going to think it's me. I'm like, maybe I forgot about that one.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4596.359

I don't want to remember. Nature built us in.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4608.746

Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4617.11

It's definitely been a wild time to be alive, right?

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#2271 - John Reeves

4651.807

They thought it was a bad deal?

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468.275

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#2271 - John Reeves

4744.165

What do you think about the idea of the United States taking over Canada?

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#2271 - John Reeves

4755.557

I thought he was just joking around about Canada, but he seems serious.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

4784.249

No, it would be way worse because Montreal and Quebec is French. I mean, it's basically French-speaking. Everyone speaks French. It's so different than the rest of the country. I mean, there's a lot of French-speaking people in Canada in general, but there's way more on the East Coast. Vancouver and Montreal are very different places. They have to be different cities, man, different states.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4807.215

You can't have them be just one part of a big country. If there's seven different provinces, yeah, so we have seven new states now. Fine. Why not? I agree. What, we can't count past 51? What is that?

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#2271 - John Reeves

4827.723

People just get scared of it. They get scared of the idea of the empire, the American empire expanding. It makes you think about Hitler. It makes you think about fascism and dangerous military movements. decisions that get made, take over countries and wars that happen. That's what people get scared of. But if Canada just wants to join, that'd be pretty cool.

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#2271 - John Reeves

484.789

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#2271 - John Reeves

4847.947

Yeah, they got a lot of natural resources. Yeah. Also, their government's goofy as shit. You guys don't even have freedom of speech. You should be protected by the Constitution.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4860.062

Yeah. Well, they used to have gun laws over there that were pretty favorable. But then when Trudeau came around, you can't even give someone a handgun, I don't think, anymore.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4878.635

Well, there's got to be somebody that likes him. He keeps winning. He's got the numbers. Canada's so kind. They're so nice that they're willing to give a dork like that a second and a third chance.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

4899.315

Well, certainly the truck drivers that were involved in that trucker convoy. That was crazy. And not just the trucker convoy, but the people that donated to the trucker convoy got their bank accounts shut down, which is just crazy. That's just crazy. You've got to have laws against that. That's tyranny. You can't allow people to shut down someone's entire bank account.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4918.331

They can't feed themselves because they donated to a person who's politically opposed to what you're doing. Yeah. Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

4941.837

That's interesting. Russia helped the United States win the Civil War. Have you ever found anything on that, Jamie? No. I've never heard that before. I wouldn't be surprised, though. I'm sure back then they could hide all kinds of shit, too. The North didn't have the Navy. How much do you think Greenland's worth?

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#2271 - John Reeves

4969.52

Oh, yeah. It's a big spot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

4981.661

It's still huge.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

4991.747

I don't think Mexico is a bit down with that. The Mexicans would probably be very upset if we tried to take over Mexico. But it would be nice if Mexico had the same opportunities as America and that it wasn't so... attractive to try to swim across the river to get here.

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#2271 - John Reeves

504.497

regular humans just live in different lives you know and they're all over the place and they're all unique that's the cool thing about this country if you really did have the time that's what i loved about anthony bourdain's show especially the first one that he had was you go to these like little hot dog stands in new jersey and just you just hang out with people and street food and you know you just get a just a bigger picture of humans in life

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#2271 - John Reeves

5052.432

What do you think that looks like, a war with the cartels?

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#2271 - John Reeves

5058.534

It says, while all this is transpiring, one of the most unusual events in diplomatic and naval history occurred. Russia dispatched her Atlantic and Pacific naval squadrons to the United States ports. They arrived in New York and San Francisco, respectively, in September 1863 at a time when the tide of war had turned in the favor of the North. at Gettysburg and Vicksburg.

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#2271 - John Reeves

5078.179

The fleets remained in the United States waters for about seven months before being ordered to return to their homeland.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5098.447

Bro, they were going to war with wood ships. Whew.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5109.376

They were really good at what they did. What did they used to be like? SEALs everywhere up there? Oh, yeah. And are they endangered now?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5140.548

Yeah, you don't tell a comic a joke, do you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5147.47

I know that native Alaskans are allowed to hunt seals and they eat them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5153.956

But regular people can't.

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#2271 - John Reeves

5157.739

There's weird rules on that, though. Yeah, you might be able to share, but you can't hunt. There's subsistence harvesting. Yeah, you ever watch that show, Life Below Zero?

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#2271 - John Reeves

5166.306

Yeah, part of that show was, like, this one guy was living with this native Alaskan wife and their kids, and they would go hunt the seals, and she would, like, shoot the seals, and she had to pull the trigger. Then he could help, like, butcher them up.

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#2271 - John Reeves

5194.435

Oh, no, that's sea otters.

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#2271 - John Reeves

5197.992

It says once a population of 300,000 sea otters was almost extinct. Russia needed money after being defeated by France and Britain in the Crimean War. The California gold rush showed that if gold were discovered in Alaska, Americans, Canadians could overwhelm the Russian presence in what one scholar later described as Siberia's Siberia.

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#2271 - John Reeves

5218.078

However, the principal reason for the sale was that the hard-to-defend colony would be easily conquered by British forces based in neighboring Canada in any future conflict, and Russia did not wish to see its arch-rival being next door just across the Bering Sea. Therefore, Emperor Alexander II decided to sell the territory.

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#2271 - John Reeves

5236.541

The Russian government discussed the proposal in 1857 and 1858 and offered to sell the territory to the United States. So it was before all that in the Civil War. hoping that its presence in the region would offset the plans of Britain. However, no deal was reached as the risk of an American Civil War was more pressing concern in Washington.

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#2271 - John Reeves

5264.509

Yes, because it says 1857 to 1858, they agreed to sell it, an offer to sell. So they agreed, but then they had to put it on hold. on the back burner because of the war. So then after the war, they bought it. So it might have been that they said, look, we'll still buy it, but help us out. This is how we got it covered. Yeah, that makes sense.

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#2271 - John Reeves

5290.775

I'd rather trust Wikipedia.

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#2271 - John Reeves

5298.345

Oh, there's only 70,000 left? That's sea otters, though? Yeah. Sea otters are vicious little fuckers.

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#2271 - John Reeves

5315.724

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5317.705

Yeah, there's a giant difference between, like, the coastal Alaska and regular Alaska. Coastal Alaska is wild.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5327.27

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. But that is not worth dying for. That show, The Most Deadly Harvest or Deadliest Harvest, whatever the show, I watched that show. I go, guys, get out of there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5339.034

You've never seen that show? You know the show, Jamie, right? What is it called? Deadliest Harvest? The crab fishing show. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Isn't that what it's called? Deadliest Catch. Deadliest Catch. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Deadliest Catch. That's right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

534.797

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5353.478

Yeah, and they're fucking rocking back and forth. Guys fall overboard sometimes. Yeah. Like, fuck that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

536.698

Isn't that crazy?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5361.7

Fall for crab. And I get it. I want crab, too, but not that bad. Guys.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5383.661

So you can walk on the ocean ice?

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#2271 - John Reeves

5385.802

Out there? Yeah, yeah. How thick is the ocean ice?

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#2271 - John Reeves

5392.307

I didn't even know we had that. I mean, I got obviously because of glaciers. But I didn't even think that there was like places where you could walk over frozen ocean and drill through it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

5412.336

To look for gold? Yeah. Cut through the ice. Dive through a fucking hole in the ocean ice. Forget the name of that show. What is that cold plunge like? How long can they stay down there?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5428.304

How can you do that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5445.428

She's an opera singer. This is crazy. This is the way that people live so differently in the world. There's people that this is their reality. They get a little ice fishing hut. They set them up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5462.788

So what's he doing now? He's cutting holes in the ice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5468.049

And this guy's got this suit. So how deep is he going?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5474.671

Oh, Jesus Christ. Look at this. There you go. Fuck this. Dude, fuck this. This creeps me out just watching it. And so they go all the way to the bottom to get gold. They must have a lot of gold down there. There's a lot of gold down there. Like, how much is this worth? 29 degrees Fahrenheit temperature of the water. Motherfucker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5503.735

But it's worth it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5508.158

What's quite well? Like, what do you think these guys pull a year?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

551.48

Oh, yeah. Alaska's got to be rough, right? But meanwhile, that's where they get the oil. Isn't the oil like real close to there?

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#2271 - John Reeves

5517.647

I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5534.594

Nothing. That's true.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5543.869

It's a disaster?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5549.811

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5553.473

Isn't that hilarious? That's all those shows. All those shows are like that. They're all like someone squabbling. It's all housewives, and you got to hate on her and hate on him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5565.496

Oh, these little breakers? Yeah, these are good. You want one?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5568.917

So you're off nicotine entirely?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5573.204

Once in a while. My doctor said that... These are Tucker Carlson's. Makes his own. Alps. Oh, does he? Yeah, I'll give you one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5603.657

Yeah, I believe that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5609.44

It's also – it's a legitimate cognitive enhancer. It's a legitimate what they call a nootropic. It really does affect you cognitively. The thing is like the best way to get it is a cigarette. And like doing it that way is killing you. It kills everybody. It just takes – it robs you. It gives you something and it robs you. It gives you something, takes a little away, and you don't notice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5629.979

You don't notice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

565.659

California's the worst. I believe the way we tried to figure this out the other day, I don't think we got to the bottom of it, though. I think California has to use gasoline that's refined in California. So it's one of the reasons why. And then, I'm sure, crazy fucking carbon taxes, whatever. They ramp up some extra shit to make it more expensive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5657.629

Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5668.158

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5726.268

So he wanted to become a country.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5731.211

I'm telling you. You want the United States to take over Canada, but you want Alaska to be its own country.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5763.989

Yeah. Why don't you run for governor?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5766.752

You'd be a fun governor.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5772.485

The way you said it. Give it a go. No, no, no, no, no, no.

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#2271 - John Reeves

5778.556

I don't have time. I'm busy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5788.966

You don't need that in your life. I'm just kidding. I'm completely kidding.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5804.881

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5817.849

That's it. That's it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5820.391

You listen to them, I see, and you don't really care. No, you don't give a fuck. Well, a lot of them definitely don't. A lot of them are just using it as like an audition to become president. They just want to do a good enough job to get the big job.

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#2271 - John Reeves

585.29

Because you're looking at a price per gallon that's like a couple bucks more a gallon always than it is here. As soon as we came here, I was like, what happened to gas prices? Why is it so less here?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5917.885

So what's the hurdle for pipelines and for oil drilling in the past? Is it environmental? The people worried it's going to ruin the environment?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5959.964

Is that really all it takes? You just got to rename it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5964.426

So they're going to re-drill? They're going to start drilling in the Gulf of America now? It is, by the way, very hilarious.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

5971.59

When he said it at the inauguration, it was like, this motherfucker. This is such a crazy thing to say.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6003.477

Well, we're very divided as a country. My hope is that what he does winds up being undeniably good. This is the best case scenario. That's what I hope for every president. What happens is undeniably good, everybody benefits, and we all realize like, hey, we're going to be okay. But we should be united as a country. We shouldn't be united- Only with the people of our political party.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6024.826

That's stupid. We're supposed to be one team. And, you know, this is the new coach or this is the new president. OK, like get on board. This is this is what's happening now. And if there's something that you think is egregiously wrong, like all this USAID stuff, like, hey, maybe there's some really good programs in there that we should all examine and we should reinstate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6045.416

But they should examine it. The idea that you shouldn't examine it, there's no argument for that. Once you've found $200 million that goes to transgender animal tests, you know you got some fuckery. Like, you can't spend $200 million on transgender animal tests while you're $36 trillion in debt and not spending any money on East Palestine. Like, what happened to that place? Huh?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6069.794

What about the toxic spill in East Palestine? What about the health effects of those people that deal with that burning toxic shit in their air for weeks and weeks? What happened to them? Anybody check? Anybody go into that ground and see what the fucking groundwater's like? Anybody dig that stuff out and fucking process it? Are they doing anything about that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6095.002

Bro, how about Flint, Michigan? How about that? How about their water's still fucked up? Yeah. Can I get a glass of water? Remember when Obama did that? This is not a stunt. I want a glass of water. And he sips it like this, like a little lizard. He barely drank it. It's so crazy to ask for a glass of water where you know the water's polluted and you don't even drink it. That's so crazy.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6120.393

That's so crazy. He didn't even take a gulp. You ever see that? He sips it like this, like this. Like barely. Have you seen it? No. You should watch it. You should watch it because it's fun. It's fun to watch because it's so crazy. It's almost like... they were trying to talk him into it. And he was like, I'm not drinking that fucking water. And they're like, listen, just drink a little bit of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6140.443

It'll be good for everybody. Just go out there and say, can I get a glass of water? It is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6175.769

Stop. Pause. If I was in an audience, I'd be yelling, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug. Get him gallons of that and then monitor his diarrhea. Okay, what are you talking about? You didn't even drink that. Make your pasta in that, sir. Go make your rice in that water. Using a filter. These people are so poor. That's a very impoverished community. I bet a lot of those people don't have filters.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6199.428

So you're saying if they don't have filters, they're fucked? Is that what you're saying? And you only drank it like this. You barely drank it. It didn't move. The level of water didn't change. You just dipped your tongue in there. You didn't really drink. That's so crazy to not drink it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6220.953

Well, kind of with all of them. It's just the job of being a president is so hard. I used to say I want Hillary to win because I want a woman to be president, so I realized they can't fucking do that job either. Nobody does that job right. Everybody fucks it up. Nobody ever gets it right. It's always just a disaster. Half the country at least hates you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

624.284

Well, they had to put a lid on it, John. There's a lid, and the lid was broken.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6241.601

Giant percentages of the population, even on your team, are disappointed in you because you didn't do exactly what they want you to do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6251.774

Yeah?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6259.859

I think you guys are different humans. Alaska is just more durable, reliable people because you have to deal with the cold, and you've got bears and moose and shit running around up there. I think it makes different people. When you live in the same neighborhood as grizzly bears, it just makes everything a little different.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6285.117

Well, they seem, like I said, more robust. When I was in Anchorage, me and my friend Ari went up there, did some shows, did a little fishing. We were like, these people are like better people. They're like more solid. Like everybody. Even just like the regular people hanging out at the bar. They like had their shit together more.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6304.503

And then we were both like, I guess they kind of have to because otherwise you freeze to death. You can't just be a fuck off up here. It's too goddamn cold. And you can't just go wander in the woods. You'll get eaten. You're fucking your food, Jack. You can't go too far. Stay close. Stay with your people. Support each other. Someone has a flat tire. Fucking help him. All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6326.152

Because you would want to get help, too. You could die out there. That's the difference.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6342.447

Yeah, you could be in the wrong spot. It doesn't matter who's running fast. That bear is going to get somebody or all of you, depending upon what's going on. But that's a dangerous kind of hunting. You're hunting something that's like the apex predator of North America, and you don't even eat it. I have a bunch of friends who go grizzly hunting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6361.715

And the way they put it, like, first of all, you have to control the populations, right? Like if you don't, you get a situation that's happening like in Montana where they want to list them. But they've been delisted for so long. Like the only place you can hunt grizzly bears in America is Alaska. And a lot of people that live in Montana don't think that's good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

637.256

Yeah. Yeah, we talked about that. If they can do that with oil, why can't they do that with water? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6379.474

They think they should put them back on the list because there's way too many human interactions.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6403.994

They're big animals, man. Especially the coastal ones. Have you ever seen one of the coastal ones up close?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6433.467

Fuck running into that thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

6439.955

They're the most badass of all of them. They are just 100% predator. The sketchiest bear to be around. There's this video I was watching of these guys the other day that were in a truck, and they were filming this polar bear as it just kept getting closer and closer, and then they started panicking. Okay, it's like 30 yards away, like that sprinting distance.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6461.827

We've got to get in the truck, and they get in the truck, and the polar bear just climbed on top of the truck. And he was like, we've got to start the truck and get the fuck out of here. This thing's going to break the glass. They're bad. Yeah. You don't want to fuck with them. That's just a can of meat to them. They don't give a fuck about you. You're just food. They live in a frozen wasteland.

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#2271 - John Reeves

647.543

Yeah, you can't drown the ocean. That's terrible.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6481.233

Anything that's moving around is edible.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6485.137

Yeah. Look at these guys. Bro, don't do that. Do not do that. Please don't do that. That's so dangerous. That's not your friend. That thing just wants to eat you. Isn't it so weird? It's so not worried about people because it's not threatened by anything because it's such a top dog that it just like will just wander right up to your building. Hey, what's inside? I smell meat.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6511.139

I want to come in that building.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6515.622

Yeah, what's that?

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#2271 - John Reeves

6522.466

Whoa. This is my buddy Eric Crisp. He makes sugar tree queues. This is beautiful, man.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6531.839

That's a chunk of mammoth ivory. That's wild.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6541.894

I'm going to send him this and tell him to turn this into a masterpiece. Yeah. He makes incredible pool cues, and he does use mammoth ivory. He uses it sometimes in the joint. Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6557.46

What is that, Jamie? Vivianite. Vivianite? Whoa. God, that's so beautiful.

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#2271 - John Reeves

656.308

Right.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6571.303

Really? Yeah. From mineralization? Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6577.468

That bison, the step bison skull that you gave me, that thing freaks people out. They're like, how old is that? Like, well, we have to get it tested, but it could be 10,000 years old. It could be 40,000 years old. Jeez.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6605.647

Whenever I have anybody on that's like an ancient history expert that's interested in like some of the lost civilization guys, we always talk about your place because I'm like that's a place where it seems like that's evidence that something took place there that killed everything all at once. Something came in hot, dude. Something came in hot.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6624.679

And the way you describe it, too, that there's a layer of carbon where it looks like scorched earth.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6698.946

Yeah, because what did you date this to? That's 200 years old. And this is what kind of an animal?

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#2271 - John Reeves

670.68

Yeah, and you've got to use it to ship it, which is even crazier.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6708.868

How crazy is that? They were around 200 years ago. You think that was a bear?

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#2271 - John Reeves

6715.95

fuck imagine the size of that fucking thing like that's his shin i don't know you got you got some experts in here and they'll tell you what it is yeah we call that the spitzer bone next time i got a biologist in here i'll say what do you think that comes from it would have to be a very specific kind of biologist right a paleontologist worth his weight or i mean you should know i'm not that how many more things have they discovered in the east river

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#2271 - John Reeves

6773.391

He posts it on his Instagram, stuff that he does find. And he's found it in the exact same place that you were told the museum dumped it off.

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#2271 - John Reeves

679.307

I don't get it. It is crazy. And how much do you have? How are we burning so much and still there? How much is there? How much do you guys have left? They've got a bunch in Alaska. They've got a bunch everywhere. I bet they've got a bunch in Greenland, too. There is a book that I read, a book that I read I think in the 90s called Black Gold Stranglehold, maybe early 2000s.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6817.566

Right. But if you know the location where Dirty Water Don found that stuff, it's got to be in there, right?

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#2271 - John Reeves

6823.208

Can you go to his Instagram, Jamie? So how many different things has he recovered so far?

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#2271 - John Reeves

6837.094

And how much did they supposedly dump in that river? 50 tons. That is so crazy.

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#2271 - John Reeves

6894.252

So do they have human bones as well?

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#2271 - John Reeves

6901.436

So hypothetically, on your property, they found human bones too and just dumped them in the river? Why would they do that?

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#2271 - John Reeves

6915.574

What do you mean by come clean with the saber-toothed tigers?

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#2271 - John Reeves

6940.031

That's Dirty Water Don says that this is the lower jawbone to a step bison. Yeah. He's got some other stuff in there too, right, Jamie? Like maybe a tusk or something, some other things? Yeah. Yeah, look at that bone. Step bison, tibia. So what are you saying, though? Why would they dump off human remains?

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#2271 - John Reeves

6981.823

Do you have a photo of a mammoth bone with a spear tip in it?

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#2271 - John Reeves

6992.29

No, but where can we see that image? On my page. Oh, on your page. Do you have that thing with the spear tip still in it?

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#2271 - John Reeves

700.209

And I never found out if it was real or not. I never looked into it any further. I need to talk to like an expert. But this guy was essentially saying that oil is a natural property of earth and that it's not like –

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#2271 - John Reeves

7003.754

Why'd you take it out?

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#2271 - John Reeves

7015.959

Well, you know what? I was talking to a guy the other day about this, and he was saying that he thinks what happens is Dan Richards, that it goes to wealthy people. Oh, yeah. The wealthy people offer them a bunch of money, wealthy donors. They want to get it for their collection. And he was talking about a bunch of different stuff that goes missing.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7055.154

Killing his workers?

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#2271 - John Reeves

7067.666

And murdered people?

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#2271 - John Reeves

7106.16

But why would they dump human bones? Because I would think that that would be very valuable. You're saying archaeology. So you think it's just spear tips and shit like that? They found human bones. I'm willing to say that. They found them. It would also be very confusing if you found Alaskan spear tips in the East River. That would be the confusing thing for archaeologists, I would imagine.

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#2271 - John Reeves

711.936

dinosaur fossils like we like to think about it fossil fuels dinosaurs and plants break down they make oil he said oil is a natural component of earth and that the proof is in the fact that if they have these wells that go dry they can wait just a little while and then they could go back to the well again and it'll replenish itself yep

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#2271 - John Reeves

7130.832

They're saying, too, kind of, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

7178.295

That's nuts. What about vampires?

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#2271 - John Reeves

7185.602

Come on, man. Did you see Dracula? Yeah. People are gross. You know, they've been throwing things in that river forever. You know, like most of the world. You go around rivers in most of the industrialized world, those rivers are disgusting.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7269.471

This is very interesting. We understand there are unopened crates sitting in storage in New York. They present an opportunity for further scientific discovery in fields such as paleontology, ecology, and anthropology.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7284.13

Therefore, facilitating the return of this collection is crucial to ensure access for researchers, educators, and students within Alaska, thereby advancing scientific knowledge and understanding of the state's natural history. There are researchers in Alaska ready and waiting to open these crates that have been collecting dust in your basement. Get at it. Give up the boxes.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7323.12

You don't trust them anymore. Fuck no.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

7335.364

Yeah, fuck off.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

734.614

How is that possible if this is just decaying matter over millions and millions of years? It doesn't make sense. Unless it's coming, seeping in from other areas that they don't have access to, and it somehow or another gets to that well. It's all like a stream underground, which begs the question, how much is there?

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#2271 - John Reeves

7356.772

But there's another area that you said that's a little larger?

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#2271 - John Reeves

7365.956

Whoa. And you're finding them there too? Oh, yeah. So this main area where you're pulling most of this stuff is only 2.1 acres? Yeah. That's crazy. That is what a dump of bodies it must have been.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7423.002

I mean, imagine what the event must have looked like to leave all those bodies in one small area. I mean, it only makes sense that that was a mass extinction event, right? Am I wrong?

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#2271 - John Reeves

7446.081

So everything kept dying there. Yeah. So it might have been multiple events.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7451.659

Well, that was one of the things they thought about the Younger Dryas impact theory, right? They think there was multiple times where that happened. And then I wonder what the population density was like of animals back then too. Because we do have these enormous animals that are very difficult for predators to hunt. And they manage to get into large numbers and they can defend themselves.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7471.658

Like if you have a large population of woolly mammoths and bisons and step bisons and fucking saber tooth tigers up there, what the fuck did that look like? Like if you're finding that many bones, imagine going back in time 30,000 years ago and just being a fly on the wall and seeing what life was like back then.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7495.883

Do you think it's because of the restrictions?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

751.748

They found out that there's three times more water in the ground, underground, than there is in all the oceans of Earth. Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

7543.291

And so here's... That's such an ignorant thing to say because if you're going to sell them, you already have way more than you need to sell.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7611.345

Well, I see those hoses you use.

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#2271 - John Reeves

762.479

Crazy stuff. That I didn't even make sense because they said the water's trapped. I think they're saying the water's trapped in rocks. Is that what they're saying? See if you can find that article. It's three times as much water under the ground as the ocean. How? Three times?

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#2271 - John Reeves

7647.846

Right.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7652.698

Of course. No, the way you're doing it seems like the only way to do it. It is the only way to do it. It's just all these paleontologists, they're all connected to universities, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

7713.441

Do you know this for a fact? Have you looked into it? Do you know how they run it? Or are you just basing this on your interactions with them?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

7810.716

Do they have to respond?

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#2271 - John Reeves

7813.337

Yeah, that's part of the problem, right? Fuck these guys. They're not accountable. Fuck them.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7819.48

They're the AMNH. They're a prestigious institution that's beyond reproach, sir.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7838.569

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

7839.89

Is the AMNH, is that where you go to see the dinosaurs?

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#2271 - John Reeves

7843.951

Well, they do that. That's cool.

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#2271 - John Reeves

785.896

Ringwoodite.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

7857.5

Really?

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#2271 - John Reeves

7858.901

Oh, yeah, you told me this. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not surprised. You're a problem. They'd rather just avoid you than deal with whatever happened when they dumped 50 tons of bones in the East River and they have a bunch more just sitting there. What do you think they would discover? If you got it all, what would be best case scenario? You get all the bones back. Alaska wins.

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#2271 - John Reeves

788.478

Does it have a picture? Like some fucking avatar mineral. Some glowing blue mineral filled with water.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

7882.053

You bring researchers over there. They work with you. What do you think they discover?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

7899.143

Now, they haven't amended that even though you found those? That seems crazy to me.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7911.973

So you found – tell me the animals that you found that are there that aren't supposed to be there. Sabertooth tiger is one of them, right? Dire wolves. Dire wolves. Wow. Badgers. Badgers? Badgers. They're not supposed to be there?

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#2271 - John Reeves

7932.226

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

7936.847

Oh, no kidding.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

796.466

Really? Oh, shit. That's crazy. I called it. Magnesium silicate. Wow, it's beautiful. Show me an image of that shit. Key points about it. The hidden ocean is found under hundreds of miles below the Earth's surface in the transition zone between the upper and lower mantle. The water is trapped within the crystal structure of the mineral ringwoodite. Significance.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7968.732

Right.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7970.573

Do you think they brought in elk to hunt? Or do you think they brought them in just to have them there?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

7979.356

Check how did elk get on a Fognac Island.

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#2271 - John Reeves

7987.85

Wow, just eight in Washington. That makes sense because they're Roosevelt elk. That totally makes sense. Roosevelt elk are a larger bodied animal that has smaller antlers than a Rocky Mountain. Yeah, Roosevelt elk in Alaska originated from a transplant of eight calves captured in the Olympic Peninsula of Washington State in 1928 and moved to a Fognac Island in 1929. Wow.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8013.783

Of the antlers? Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8019.648

Really? Yeah. So they were there already. Well, that's the thing about elk in this country. They came across the bridge. Right.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8026.353

In this country, they used to be everywhere. And then people just wiped them out when they had market hunting. That's, you know, when they made it illegal to sell wild game, that was the reason for it because everybody was – poor people were just – killing everything they could, and they almost wiped them out. They wiped out a lot of species.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8044.266

Like elk used to be in every state, and now they're in a handful. They've repopulated them in some areas, Pennsylvania, Kentucky. There's been a bunch of success stories of repopulating elk to the point where they can hunt them now. But they used to be everywhere, including Texas. Whoa! Whoa!

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#2271 - John Reeves

8064.938

Really? Do you have a photo of it with the spirit today?

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#2271 - John Reeves

8071.455

God damn it. Find it. I want to see it. I will.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8077.505

I would never take that spear point out. I'd have that thing on display. That is the coolest thing ever. The spear point inside of a mammoth bone?

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#2271 - John Reeves

8085.711

Fuck, that's cool.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8093.757

Oh, my God. By the eyes. Where's that?

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#2271 - John Reeves

8103.951

Without a doubt, Mike. You're going the wrong way. Well, there's the Trump thing. We should go read the comments.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8121.077

Shout out to Click.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8124.719

It's in there?

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#2271 - John Reeves

8128.82

How often do you post?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8151.656

Whoa. Look at that skull.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8160.129

Hmm.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8166.496

Really? That's a brain?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8169.92

So was that mineralized?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8174.345

That's what that looks like?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8177.028

What'd you do with that thing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8181.98

Right next to the frozen pizza. Go down next to the ice cream. Yeah, that's a mammoth brain. That's 30,000 years old.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8190.688

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8198.976

That's amazing. But where's this skull? Where's this skull? Oh, there it is, right there. Where?

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#2271 - John Reeves

820.958

This discovery could significantly alter our understanding of the Earth's water cycle and potentially provide insights into the origin of water on our planet. Whoa. Thank God there's scientists out there. Except, you know, of course the cocksuckers that fucking steal your bones won't give them back. Motherfuckers. Fuck those guys. But other scientists, like these cool guys that figured this out.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8206.28

That one?

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#2271 - John Reeves

8207.921

Where's the point?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8213.864

Where?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8217.446

That's a tip?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8219.227

Whoa. So it's kind of mineralized too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8224.891

Whoa. Whoa. How did you know that that's what that was? It looks like a tumor to me. Did you have to clean it up to see the difference?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8238.307

It's stone. Wow. And you're going to leave it in there like that? Yep. Did you get an x-ray of it or anything so you could see it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8247.17

Oh, I'd want to see that. That's amazing. What is it like being on a piece of land that at one point in time was just like this insane habitat? I mean, it must have like some bizarre feel to just the land itself when you're pulling out saber tooth tiger skulls and woolly mammoth tusks. And it just must feel insane that you're pulling all this stuff out of the ground that you live on.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8277.952

Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8298.065

If you go back to that... But also, if you find humans, you've got to hug and keep it on the DL.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8304.109

I would imagine. I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8307.411

I don't know nothing. But I would imagine if I found some humans, I wouldn't tell nobody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8333.052

Right. Like a mortar and pestle. Tenderized. There it is right there. Is that it right there? Yep. So that's a stone tool. No, that's mammoth bone. Mammoth bone. But if you look on the next picture. So the bottom of that thing was, oh, wow. That's 25,000 years old. Yep. And it sawed off at the bottom. Yep. That's nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8358.868

What is a Schrager line? Does that mean like saw?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8368.973

And this was probably sawed off a long time ago, and now it's kind of fossilized, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8391.104

Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8393.685

So it's a tool.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8397.366

Well, whatever it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8402.728

There's no way you get something that's that flat out of nature. And it's not like those things snap off. They're not like elk antlers. They don't regrow them, right?

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#2271 - John Reeves

841.151

These cool guys, gals, and non-binary folk. That is wild stuff, man. Three times as much ocean as in the ocean. That's so crazy. So that's the transition zone. It's all hydrated water. How long before rappers start wearing that around a necklace? That seems like a dope necklace. That's that shit that they make water out of. Dope.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8463.158

Let's take this fur. Right. But why that? Why domesticate them versus hunt them?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8475.428

But do you think they actually kept them as, like, stock?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8479.831

They just lived together.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8483.955

Uh-huh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8496.015

Right. And they're huge. He'll clear the field. And also, you've got to penetrate all that fur and all that hide. With a spear.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8514.063

Well, how are they making a spear then?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8517.347

How are they making a spear? They must have some sticks, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8527.392

Well, it's a different shape, certainly. But if you have enough wood to make a spear, wouldn't you have enough wood to make an atlatl? When's the invention of the atlatl? Let's find that out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8561.669

So here's the atoll. 17,000 to 21,000 years ago. So if it's 25,000 years ago, it might not even be an atlatl. But who knows how accurate they are with this? I mean, that's a big gap, 17,000 to 21,000 years ago. This is also people that didn't think that saber-toothed tigers lived in Alaska.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8590.403

Or they initially established and now they've been defending that timeline.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8598.529

Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8602.812

Like when Ted Nugent rode that buffalo on stage?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8608.416

But that kind of thing. They domesticated them. That's interesting. Well, we know humans have domesticated elephants, right? And they did it a long time ago, and they rode elephants. I mean, we know they do it in India.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8621.311

Yeah, I rode them in Thailand. I don't recommend it. Yeah. Just seems like it could go wrong.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8631.741

Yeah, you make friends with them first. They have a whole process you do. You feed them. You give them sugar cane. You hose them down, take care of them. You be nice to them first, and then they let you ride them. But you got to be nice to them even when you're riding them. You have to have, like, good energy. I don't think they necessarily enjoy having a little fucking human on their back.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8652.066

so it's like it's their world it just seems like a dumb idea like i'm happy just petting you and giving you food i don't need to ride you this is pretty badass looking is that an atlatl i think this might be the one they found whoa the cave in france wow antler carved out of antler wow who's a wizard that figured out how to make something to put extra leverage on a spear His name was Hook Musk.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

867.568

Yeah, you just need some Kendrick Lamar type influencer. Someone who's at the top of his game to start wearing it. Kanye in his prime, he could have got that out there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8677.667

That's the other thing that Dan Richards was bringing up, like the fact that bow and arrow is a difficult thing to invent, but yet they invented it all over the world. Does that make sense? Or were people traveling from all over the world with the technology of the bow and arrow and spreading it around the world?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8694.298

He's saying that might make more sense than all these people from all these different spots all figuring out this complicated thing where you get a thing, you pull it back, you get a string, and you're letting loose, and the arrow has to fly perfect. More likely, someone figured it out in some place, and it was so awesome that they started spreading that idea across the world.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8735.229

Yeah, that was the original cloud, smoke clouds. But, I mean, what did they send? Did they have a code when they had smoke signals? Or was it just the smoke itself? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8750.276

So you found spear tips. Have you found arrowheads as well?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8755.02

Only spear tips. So it's more primitive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8770.232

But you might have a bunch of spearheads just laying around.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8781.74

When you first discovered the saber-toothed tiger head, when was that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8793.086

And when you found that, what was the reaction to that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8814.334

The one that was sent to them here. How fucking gross is that? That they just keep doing that same shit?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8820.663

Yeah. In the last year or two. Why should you have it? This is important for humanity, some dirty gold miner.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8839.034

So these people, they found this saber. They got this saber tiger. Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2271 - John Reeves

8845.848

Holy shit. Was that supposed to be there? The cave lion? Yes.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8857.237

Fucking A. That thing's amazing. Look at the teeth on that thing. Yep. So this saber tooth skull is probably very valuable that you found. Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

886.825

Oh, you're welcome.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8869.286

Because I've seen them for sale.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8889.994

Does Lorenzo Fertitta have a saber tooth skull in his office? See if that's true. Lorenzo Fertitta is one of the gentlemen who owned the UFC before they sold it to WME. Billionaire character, loved MMA, and really was the reason why the UFC blew up, along with Dana White and his brother Frank.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8912.165

Yeah, let me see what that looks like. I think it's like a lot of money. So if you think about your skull and this asshole gets a hold of it, there's probably some asshole over there that's really rich.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8925.848

Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8932.11

Whoa! Holy shit. Holy shit's right, man. Holy shit. How fucking amazing must that thing have been to see live?

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#2271 - John Reeves

8947.295

How much did Lorenzo Fertitta pay for the one, does it say?

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#2271 - John Reeves

8953.937

Did you Google Lorenzo Fertitta's and see images?

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#2271 - John Reeves

8960.2

What about that article, that first article? No picture of it? No picture. How dare you, Bloody Elbow? You would think that a website called BloodyElbow.com would really be on top of it. It was 15 years old? That's 2010? Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

8976.081

What? It's only 160 grand? Oh, I thought it was, like, millions. Yeah, I wonder what that one that was sold at the auction went for. How fucking cool were those things, though, man? Like, what a wild, amazing design that nature created. This is a whole skeleton? Fuck.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9004.349

Wow. How many have you found up there of saber tooth skulls? Two. Just two?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9029.709

He's not going to go to Alaska.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9032.131

What's he going to do with Carl? Can he bring Carl up there? Carl won't survive.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9058.364

Protect our parks in Fairbanks. That would be fun. It would be fun. That would be a good one to do it at your area where you do it. Put it in an archive building. Take a day. Tour the site. Yeah. It's just I want more people to know about it. I really do because I don't think I've ever heard of anything like it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9078.271

I don't think I've ever heard of a spot like that where there's that many woolly mammoth bones and cave bear bones and all this shit you're pulling out of the ground. We have fun with it. How many different dead animals, like different extinct types of animals?

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#2271 - John Reeves

911.711

Yeah, you got to stop reading the comments.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9115.669

It seems like such a lost opportunity to know about things. And unless you're willing to give in to these guys who have obviously been deceptive with you in the past, how do you get real studies done up there? It's such a conundrum.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9155.411

No.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9161.466

It's such a fucking shame because it's an amazing site. It's such an amazing area that I would think that they would be flocking to try to work with you. Just do anything they can just for the information. I mean, think of how many discoveries. First of all, the proven fact that saber-toothed tigers lived in a place they didn't think they lived. That alone should be worthy of discovery.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9186.564

You need to take a leak? We can wrap this up.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9190.626

Oh, we're not done yet.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9192.486

Dana has one?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9193.787

Oh, geez, look at that thing.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9197.908

Holy shit. That's amazing.

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#2271 - John Reeves

920.045

I don't give a whole lot of advice. I guess I do sometimes, but only with really important stuff. That's an important one. You can't fix those, and they will affect the way you think. They affect the way people behave. They affect your freedom of expression, to freely express yourself.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9202.47

Dana White got an awesome skull. All right, we're back, sir.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9222.202

Well, now's as good a time as ever. Just definitely better now than tomorrow. It's the only time. Yeah. So, where were we? Dana White has a giant saber-toothed tiger head in his office. And you were telling me you had topics that you wanted to cover, that you brought notes.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9246.22

No, there's no worry at all about the environment with these gas lines.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9255.208

They're worried about environmental disasters, right?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9274.784

Oh, yeah, that was a big problem. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. That was 1988, right? Wasn't it? I don't remember the exact date. I think it was because I remember people were freaking out that that thing wrecked and emptied out a whole oil tanker. 89. Exxon Valdez oil tanker ran aground Bly Reef in Alaska's Prince William Sound.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9300.34

Spill released more than 11 million gallons of crude oil, the largest oil spill in U.S. history at the time. But that's probably not nearly as much as that one that blew out in the ocean that was just spraying oil. I mean, that had to be probably more than that.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9319.836

The one here. Yes, that one. How much did that release?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9356.642

Stuff. Stuff? Stuff that Drew and I make. Oh, guitar picks. Oh, snap. Didn't we give one to Gary Clark Jr.? Yes, we did. Thank you for that. Oh, my pleasure.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9369.388

What's this one right here?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9375.531

And how old do you think this little piece is?

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#2271 - John Reeves

938.147

I think it had an impact.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9384.244

Doesn't it seem kind of crazy that there's so much of it, you're allowed to just carve it up and make stuff out of it?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9408.328

What do you tell them? Go pound sand?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9416.574

I understand. Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9428.002

Have there been anybody, any researchers or anybody, all these appearances that you've done on the show, it's... sort of gotten that whole area a lot of attention. Has there been anybody that has expressed legitimate interest in working with you?

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#2271 - John Reeves

944.272

As a human. Yeah.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9459.795

It won't come back. Right. And the work won't get done. Right. Or at least it won't come back. At the very least, it won't come back.

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#2271 - John Reeves

946.374

Yeah. Well, he also was right about a lot of shit.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9486.949

Oh, look at that. Oh, and he uses your mammoth. Wow, look at those handles. That's crazy. Isn't that something? Now, is that the blue one? Is that the blue mineralized?

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#2271 - John Reeves

949.557

The fact that he called the problem with the L.A. fires months before they happened was literally saying what they needed to do, what they're doing wrong, and then boom. Yeah. Two times the size of Manhattan is gone. Yep. It's so crazy when you see it live or, excuse me, from above, like on video, when they do the drone sweeps over it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9505.49

And so the mammoth tooth that's been cut, is that the natural color of it, that blue?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9514.059

Isn't that something?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9574.266

Okay.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9576.887

All right. I'll open it right now. Should I open it right now?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9592.614

Oh, I see.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9598.258

Yeah, there we go. Whoa, this is crazy. What is this?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9608.516

That is incredible. Look at that. The size of that tooth is insane. Yep. It's so heavy. Yep. My God. That's amazing carving, too. Oh, fuck. Look at that. That will stay here, right here. I'm going to clear off a spot for it. Yep. There we go. Right here. That's sick. That's amazing. That'll go right next to your other bone. Thank you very much. That's incredible. What's his name again?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9641.718

Chuck Leak. Chuck Leak. Shout out to Chuck Leak. Mammoth Mogul. That's incredible. Instagram. Part of me feels bad that he carved into this tooth because I kind of just would rather have the tooth. But the artwork itself is insane.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9655.904

Well, I like it by itself, too. I like the art, too. But it's just like I just feel weird about people carving into stuff that's so valuable and ancient.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9671.352

Jamie, you've got to pick this up. Feel how heavy this is. This is so crazy. Here, Joe, hand Jamie this tooth. It's a fucking tooth. It's crazy. It's crazy that that's a tooth. How big were these fuckers?

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#2271 - John Reeves

969.669

Fucking, like a bomb went off, like a fucking nuclear bomb hit that part of the state. It's nuts.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9694.299

That's amazing.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9697.08

Yeah, and they want us to believe that hunters wiped all those out. No way. With spears. Shut the fuck up.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9712.366

Oh, wow. Including saber-toothed tigers? Wow, look at that one. That's incredible. Amazing work. It's really good.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9744.941

Oh, it never got there.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9760.024

Well, I would guarantee that if I lived in like 1920 or some shit like that and I knew that one of my buddies that I'd been donating to his museum was about to get a saber-toothed tiger head and I wanted that for my house. You'd have it. You'd probably make a little deal. Of course you would. Make a little deal. I want to give you a million dollars in grants.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9782.182

And next thing you know, you have people over for a cocktail party. Come into the lounge. I want to show you something I acquired.

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#2271 - John Reeves

982.635

They're still working on shit that's blown over in Florida, right?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9823.442

Hmm.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9833.501

Gold? What does man need more of? I would say money. Yeah, it has to be that. It has to be he's offering him what man needs more of. Yeah, that's a nice way of saying it.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9852.995

Like I said, Dan Richards brought that up, that he thinks that that's what happened to a lot of ancient Egyptian artifacts, and they're probably scattered all over the country, or over the world, rather, in the hands of wealthy collectors. Makes sense. People always want to have something that is very rare and that they're not supposed to have.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9880.658

I love pool cues. They're functional artwork for a game that I'm completely addicted to.

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#2271 - John Reeves

989.833

Yeah. I mean, you're always going to have a certain amount of hurricane damage. But if we don't take care of that first, and instead we spend $200 million on transgender animal studies, like, what the fuck? What are we doing? Like, why aren't we allocating money to the most important things we have, which is people and their safety and their homes and to be able to rebuild?

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#2271 - John Reeves

9894.099

Yeah, oh, we definitely will. I don't know. Go to get a photo of Sugar Tree Q's. If he turns it on a lathe or what? My friend Eric, he goes out into the woods and gets his own wood. He does everything from the bottom to the final production of it. He's a really rare guy because his cues, there's a lot of cues. They make them real fancy with a bunch of different inlays and different stuff.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9920.95

But what he uses mostly is just the natural beauty of the wood itself. He's like he loves wood. And so his, like look at that, look at the burl on that handle. I mean, my God, that's so gorgeous. And that's just nature's gorgeousness. That's nature's artwork. And that's what Eric makes most of his cues like. It's all nature's artwork. And they also play incredible.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9945.548

He's a really good pool player too, which is kind of important if you're gonna be a guy who makes cues. Click on that link right there where you just have AZ Billiards right there, that one. That's some of his work right there. It's all so beautiful. Yeah, and like I said, you see how his work, it just really highlights the beauty of the wood itself. And they play really good too.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9967.386

That's the thing about pool cues, they all play different. But his, they all have a lot of feel to them. That one right there by your cursor, right there, it says Facebook, that click. Yeah, right there. Look at that fucking thing. Look how beautiful that handle is. I can't imagine the work that goes into making one of those. Oh, it's a lot of work.

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#2271 - John Reeves

9985.674

But it's also that the gorgeousness of it is just natural. Just natural wood. So I'll send him this stuff. He uses mammoth ivory.

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#2200 - Kat Timpf

1295.862

100%.

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#2200 - Kat Timpf

1315.322

50%?

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#2200 - Kat Timpf

7276.372

You can't say that you have one rule for Facebook and you have a different rule for Twitter. The same rule has to apply, which is that there has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power. They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation. And that has to stop.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

1003.543

I think one of the most disturbing things about it is how few people are speaking out when the data is so obvious. And then when you guys lay it out and when people like Brigham Bueller, Andrew Huberman, when any of these people that are very focused on what the problems are lay it out, The data is all there, but yet we're not being told this anywhere other than the internet.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

1027.3

It's only independent shows that don't rely on executives and networks where there's pharmaceutical drug companies advertising or food companies or any of these things. You don't hear any of this stuff, I mean, other than Fox News has allowed you guys on a few times, right? That's right. They're the only ones. Yeah. Well, kudos to them. Yeah, absolutely. It's a human issue.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

1049.23

And the fact that people are willing to take money to not talk about one of the biggest problems that we have. I didn't even know about the childhood dementia thing or the young adult dementia thing.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

1061.441

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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And wanting life to make more sense than just this constant state of fatigue and constantly dealing with diseases. I want to talk about a couple of specific things you said and questions like, why are girls going through periods so much earlier?

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Wow. So it's just everyone's sort of captured by this thing and nobody steps out of the lines.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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But I really appreciate what you guys have been doing, and I think I first saw you on Tucker, and the details of all the stuff you guys have exposed, it's not, I mean, it's shocking, but it's not surprising. Yeah. It's really crazy. So can we get into this? Like you used to be on the dark side. Let's start with you. Tell everybody your background, like how you got started with this.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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I don't think most people were aware of the problems in regards to the food system, in regards to pesticides, in regards to how people learn nutrition in medical school. I don't think they were really aware of that until about five or six years ago. I think it started to creep into the zeitgeist. I think before that, people just put all their faith in doctors.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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And then I think COVID happened and people lost a lot of faith in the medical system. They lost a lot of faith in the NIH. They saw all the contradictory videos of Fauci saying, you know, you're not going to catch COVID and Rachel Maddow and all that shit. And you're like, oh, my God, this is all a bought and paid for system to promote profit.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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Can I just say one thing about the fructose corn syrup? I'm so glad you brought that up because I didn't know that there was a unique way that it makes it more addictive and kills your satiety.

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Or increases it or kills it rather. Because I'd always thought that sugar was sugar. And this is one of the arguments that a lot of people that are poo pooing all this stuff like, oh, this is nonsense. Sugar is sugar.

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Like there's no difference between the sugar and high fructose corn syrup versus the sugar in an apple.

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So the apple is probably a bad example, but like cane sugar. Is cane sugar fructose-based?

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I want to talk about Alzheimer's. That was the other thing that I want to talk about when you when we talked about early puberty. You you mentioned escalating risks of Alzheimer's. When did Alzheimer's become a thing? Because I was reading this article that was saying that it was before the advent of seed oils. You very, very, very rarely saw it, if at all.

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The reason why I brought up Alzheimer's, there's a couple reasons. One, the amyloid plaque research, wasn't that proven to be flawed deeply and maybe even corrupt? And then there was another, there's something that came out very recently. See if you can find this, Jamie. I think Jay Bhattacharya might have tweeted it.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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He tweeted it.

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Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's it's crazy. And it's weird that all these things that you say are so clear and they make so much sense. Yeah, it just doesn't occur being ignored. Well, just it speaks to capture.

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So you were one of the people that helped sort of broker the deal with RFK and Trump and bring the two of those together. Tell me how that got started. Tell me how that worked out.

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It also seems like if this isn't done now, they will take steps to make sure it can never be done in the future.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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It's such a unique time, and it seems like without a person that's a total outsider, like Trump, that's being so attacked. The fact that it's not just that they disagree with him, they attack him, it's that they do it in unison. They do it so coordinated that you realize there is a machine behind this, and that they repeat the same talking points over and over. It's like they're given a script.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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And that there's no repercussions for lies. With the Russiagate stuff, with all the various different things that have been concocted to try to take him out, no one gets in trouble, and the same people are still disseminating the news. And more people, I think, are aware of that than ever before, and more people are aware of this institutional capture.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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Well, and it is getting taken away in some formats. There was something, I believe I retweeted it, see if you can find it, about YouTube taking down a podcast for medical misinformation. And there was none. And this is without Twitter, without X, without Elon buying it, and this person being able to post it. I think it was Schellenberger. Was it Schellenberger? See my Twitter feed? Is it up there?

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

5636.637

Well, this is the... Oh, here we go. It's below the... Hold on. We need people like Dr. J and Power. Maybe I didn't tweet it.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

5801.508

Yeah No, I know I saved it So give me one second and I'll pull it up off on my phone because I definitely saved it if I didn't retweet it but it's I think one of the things that we keep highlighting that I think is very important is that most people are not even really aware of this.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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This is very new to most people in the zeitgeist of the common person, the common person who has just trusted their physician and trusted the medical establishment. I don't think I think this is it requires a real shift in consciousness of people and a real understanding of what's going on.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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And so, Casey, if you could do the same, sort of explain how you got on this path. You started off with medical school.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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The media denigrates it, but I don't think people have any faith in the media anymore. Even the New York Times, which used to be the number one, I don't think people have faith in the media anymore.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. What's up? Nice to meet you guys. Great to be here. Thanks for having us, Joe. Thanks for coming here. I'm all happy, but this is not a happy subject. I don't know. It's probably a bad way to start off a podcast of how fucked we are.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

6126.09

have you anticipated what kind of backlash and how this would be handled like what kind of backlash would you get from these captured institutions if this did happen if trump and rfk get into office and they start implementing these policies and changing things and bringing new people at the helm there's one candidate they're shooting it yeah there's one candidate executive leadership is existential to this issue

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

6190.482

Right, but even if they do get in office, this is my point, what happens? Like, have you thought about this? Like, the amount of money we're talking about these people losing...

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

6361.044

Well, it's also, I would imagine, and if I talked to him, my number one question would be, what happens when you get in there? What is that experience like? Because no one really knows until you're in office. They don't tell you how it's going to go down if you don't make it. They don't reveal all that.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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So what is that experience like, and how can you prepare for it without actually being elected president?

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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And there is the benefit of him having already been in and understanding all the red tape and all the problems and all the influences and all the stuff that he couldn't correct in four years.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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I believe it's possible, too, and I think it's incredibly cynical and unpatriotic to think that all Americans are lazy. It's crazy. We operate on momentum, and if you have lived your life eating bad food and being sedentary, you're going to continue to do so unless something jolts you out of that. And if there's a moment in the zeitgeist...

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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where a good percentage of people start shifting in a very particular direction, taking care of themselves, and the people around them see that and see the benefits and see these people improve, and then they become inspired to do it, it could have a huge effect on the population. There's a lot of Americans that are not lazy. You know, I'm American. People want to live. Yeah.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

6833.692

People want to thrive. They want to be energetic. They want to have health. And they want to be successful in life. And one of the best ways to be successful in life is to have more energy to pursue the things you're interested in. Yeah. And the only way you do that is if your body's healthy.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

6909.036

So you mean you could use tax dollars to give people gym memberships? Yes.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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I think it's also an information ripple effect. And this is why it's so important to have people like you lay this out so clearly is that most people haven't heard it said. I think you guys have said it as clearly as anybody I've ever heard. And the message is so clear and it's so concise. And then it gets out there. This wasn't available five years ago. It just wasn't. I'd never heard it.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

7518.079

I didn't think that there was medical capture. I didn't think there was a problem with the NIH before COVID. I had no idea that there was this prevailing issue. I would have been the first person to defend vaccines. I would have been the first person to defend the medical establishment. They're working very hard to create drugs to help people with all these diseases, and we've got problems.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

7537.571

I didn't... People are getting the information now in a way they've never gotten it before through the Internet. And I think because it's not regulated, I think that's one of the things that freaks these people out. And that's why you have people like Bill Gates who have profited tremendously from vaccines.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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and his global health care initiative, air quotes, that this guy would be so bold as to say we have to remove vaccine misinformation when what studies have been done on vaccines? Like you tell me what how clear are you when there is some sort of a correlation? There is a rise in all these issues and there's a rise in all these vaccines and children. And you're saying that the work has been done.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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Show me that work.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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Well, that work doesn't exist.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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And that's why this medical misinformation label is fucking horseshit. Yeah. And it's scary that someone of great influence and extreme wealth would be promoting that.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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When he profits off of it.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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Which is crazy. Yeah.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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I think it's also something that truly should be a nonpolitical issue in terms of bipartisan. It's like I know they're labeling exercise and I've seen them even label red meat consumption as being some sort of a far right thing.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

8225.171

Right. It's all horseshit. And I think most people realize it's all horseshit. It's not like the abortion issue. It's not like immigration. It's not like one of these things that people are ideologically captured to side on one side of the fence or the other. I think it's a fundamental human thing that would resonate with most folks if it starts getting going.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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Well said. I think we might want to end it right there because that was so perfect. Anything else?

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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Thank you. Thank you guys. Listen, this message is so important. You guys lay it out so well. And I think people are waking up. I really do. And I hope that this being connected to Trump doesn't put people off. to the point where they're not able to recognize that this is about all of us. It has nothing to do with political party. It has nothing to do with ideology.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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It's just about being a human being and that money and that the pursuit of constant money from these corporations has created this diffusion of responsibility thing where each person inside that organization doesn't feel responsible for the overall result. And that they're not all bad people. And it's not demons running all these organizations.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

8723.875

They're people that have been captured by a system that's been captured. And it's all about money. And that's why those people cheered when they found out that Ozempic was going to be prescribed for everyone. Yeah. So thank you very, very much. Please tell people, is there obviously your book, Good Energy, that's available.

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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Is there a way, do you guys have a website where people can reach out to as well?

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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

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Thank you both. Bye, everybody. Bye.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Also, the percentage that the actual artists get versus what they should be getting. It hurts. It's crazy. It hurts. It's crazy because they do everything. They create the music. They perform the music. And yet they're not making the money. People are coming to see them perform the music, yet they're not making the money. There's some bizarre vampires that have attached themselves to the veins.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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It's like, you're like, what? Are you sure that's what happened? I kind of know what happened because the people that were running Comedy Central back then, I had dealt with. Nice folks shouldn't have been running comedy. They shouldn't have been telling comedians what to do.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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In what way?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right. And then also the fact that you could release things. So like Oliver Anthony, he put out that rich man north of Richmond and then it's fucking gigantic. Hundred million views on YouTube. It's like it's crazy.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Hear, hear. All right. Let's wrap it up. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very much. Always fun to talk to you. Thank you. Tell everybody what your podcast is called, where they can get it.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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It was a situation where a bunch of non-creatives had gotten involved in the process. I'm sure you're familiar with that.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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It's disgusting. It's the worst aspect of show business. You start dealing with money people, and then they start doing something that they're not supposed to be doing, which is like adding, changing, directing, moving ideas, and then you're dealing with literal morons.

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that somehow or another got this job, and they're telling you how to do what you're doing, which is what is the best sketch show in the world. And still popular. It's as good as any sketch show that's ever existed, and they only did two seasons. So he just decides, I'm just gonna be an artist. I'm just going to hang out. I'm not going to make any money. He would show up at open mic nights.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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They'd have open mic nights for musicians, play folk songs. And at the end of that, like midnight, he would pull up and start talking. And by 15 minutes into the set, everybody had told everybody that Dave Chappelle's there. So then the place is packed. And he did this for like 10 years, man.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1080.321

Yeah, he just fucked around. You'd hear about him just showing up places and fucking around. I love that. And then somewhere, I think it was like 2013, 14, starts doing stand-up again. Yeah. And then boom. Yeah, that's really how it all went down.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1155.598

Yeah, very much like Pryor, whereas Eddie Murphy was just really, really funny. You know, it's just really, really funny. And still to this day, I'm like, why doesn't that guy come back? He did this one thing when he got the Mark Twain Award where he did this whole impression of Bill Cosby finding out they had to give away one of his awards because he was caught up in the scandal.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1177.096

And so he's doing a Cosby impression. And it's fucking genius. It's dead on. He's doing brilliant stand-up. And he hasn't touched stand-up in 25, 30 years.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1243.01

But Pryor never did, obviously. Pryor kept doing stand-up the entire time. Has anyone ever tried to pull you in the movie orbit? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not. Like action hero? Yeah, I'm not interested. I'm not interested.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1257.07

Yeah, there's been a few tempting ones, but no, I don't have that kind of time. And I also don't have the desire to do it. It's not something I enjoyed.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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It's hard. And to be a real good actor, like a really good actor, you know, the rehearsing and the practicing and the going over the character, it's like I couldn't do it because I don't have the time. It would require everything I have. Yeah.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1294.099

It's just not. That's not my jam. There's people out there that do it. I'm glad they do it because I love movies. Yeah. But I don't want to do it. Did you watch the Oscars? I did not. Me neither. I never watch award shows. I don't think you should give away awards for art. I think it's silly. I don't get it. I think it's dumb. I think it's all...

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

13.223

What's happening, man? Good to see you. Thank you for having me back. My pleasure. How many times a day do you get bombarded by the whole Bill Burr thing?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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really who's making money is the people that are putting it on television. I mean, that's really what it is. It's just a big money grab.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1336.536

Right. Well, the integrity of the process and the intent are both compromised, right? Because there's people that, like, you could kind of guess just by the subject of some movies whether or not they're going to win an award.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Because, you know, people feel obligated to address this very important message.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Really?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right. Just like those Hollywood tour people that you would get in L.A.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Yeah. Those were the weirdest fucking people.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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You look like a guy. Totally. I get offended.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1447.612

I don't want to go on your tour. Just got off the boat. Yeah. Just came here from Nebraska. Totally, yeah. Like, gee, I wonder where the stars live, you know? That's such a creepy thing to do. Just drive around and point. That's where Ben Affleck sleeps. But they've been doing it since the 30s.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1467.697

It's just always been weird. Well, back then it was even weirder because those were the first stars.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1513.664

That's crazy. You know, there's a similar story about that in China with the bodies exhibit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a woman who was married to a mayor of one of the cities in China. And this woman who was married to this mayor, the mayor was having an affair with a TV newscaster. And he got the TV newscaster pregnant.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1538.588

And apparently there was a confrontation between the woman and the wife and the lady winds up missing. She gets scrubbed from the internet. I mean, she's scrubbed. There's only like a photo of her on the internet. And then all of a sudden in the Body Works exhibit, there's an eight month pregnant woman who they believe is this newscaster. Here's the other part.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1562.518

The woman who's the mayor's wife is also the manager of the local plastination factory where they take the bodies and they immerse them in these solvents and turn them into statues. This woman was the manager of the place that produced the woman with the eight-month fetus in her body. And you can still see it, like it's on tour. You can go see this lady who was most likely murdered.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1593.426

So then she didn't just kill that lady. She poisoned some British businessman. So she poisons this guy and she has to go to trial. Well, she doesn't go to trial. Some other woman goes to trial who doesn't look anything like her. Raises her right hand, the whole thing, goes to jail. So she probably paid some family off, some poor family. I'll give you a million dollars. Give up your daughter.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1619.281

She goes to jail. Everybody's rich. It's not a bad jail. She's going to do yoga, play checkers.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1634.51

Jawline's totally different, different nose. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of plastic surgery over there. In Korea, it's nuts. They do their eyes in this strange doorway.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1647.76

Google that, Jamie. We need to find this out. This is important information.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1667.395

A lot of liars. A lot of them ladies are lying about it. Up to 50% or higher. Well, higher could be like 75%.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1687.425

It's like, so like what? I guess the idea would be you could go and recover over there. Your neighbors don't have to see you with bandages over your head. No, I think it's the idea.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Non-invasive face love. Isn't that weird that one of our biggest fears is that your face sags?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1763.661

Definitely less attractive than I used to be. That's just time and...

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1772.697

Yeah, it can. A little bit of a swagger. Well, just age beats us all. You don't win. Nobody wins. Everybody looks worse at 80 than they do at 20.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1782.884

Just how it goes.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1806.314

I'm worried about Bruce Buffer because Bruce Buffer, he puts out so much energy. I was telling the guys the other day, one day he's just going to be in the middle screaming someone's name and he's just going to fucking check out. Like right in the middle. It's time. Boom. His eyes will roll back. But that's, for any performer, that's the way you go out. You go out on your shield, right?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

1827.109

That would be amazing. I don't want him to die. I love him. But if he did die that way, I'd be like, what a legend. What a legend.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Both of them. Oh, yeah. Isn't it crazy that they didn't know each other until they were like 30? He didn't even know he had a brother? UFC 313 is back in Vegas. It won't be paradise for one of the light heavyweights in the main event. Don't miss out on any of the action at DraftKings Sportsbook, the official sports betting partner of the UFC.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2072.152

So was he talking about the decision?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2077.878

Wow. 117-111. Harold Letterman, who's always dead on the money. Harold Letterman was always right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2093.993

Wow, I forgot about this fight. I completely forgot about this fight. There's so many fights from this era that were incredible. That was an amazing era for heavyweights.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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That's bullshit.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2119.413

He's still trucking. He's still trucking. He still announces huge boxing fights.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2135.443

Who won this one?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2140.126

I would imagine. Oh, similar Letterman card. Similar card. Let's see if they robbed him twice. They gave it to him. All right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2158.368

Yeah, it's probably like Saudi Arabia. They have him come over there and introduce someone's birthday.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2164.453

Probably more. Depends. You know? I mean, like...

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2171.318

Right. I saw Stone Temple Pilots. They played Dana White's 40th birthday party.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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And there was no one in the room other than UFC employees, and they put on a show like it was a fucking sold-out arena. I mean, full blast. They didn't go through the motions at all. It was a phenomenal show.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2192.91

Yeah, yeah, it was a lot of money.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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But they were so professional. It was like, it was so impressive. And because they were so, like, powerful on stage, everybody just started paying attention. Oh, yeah. Because it kind of broke out in the middle of this party.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Where this birthday party, we're all standing around tables, eating food, having fun.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2219.389

Yeah. There's a lot of entitlement that's attached to, like, someone's paying you to come perform at their birthday party.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2228.293

Right. There's that, too. The people that aren't fans are like, oh, no. Yeah. Yeah, those are weird gigs because then you go, how much? I could have one shitty night for a million dollars. Yeah. I mean, I'd like to tell you I haven't been there, but I've been there. Ron White did one last year in Vegas, and he was talking about it. He was like, I didn't want to do it.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2254.13

I kept saying no, and they kept going higher and higher, and eventually got to a point where I was like, oh, fuck it, I'll do it. And he goes, it wasn't worth it. He goes, it was one of the worst fucking nights of my life. He goes, all the time I'm doing it, I'm thinking, I shouldn't have fucking done this. He said they didn't laugh. They barely paid attention. It's like, why am I here?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2275.486

But if like you're a giant fan, like say if you're a giant Ron White fan and you hire Ron White, but your like office doesn't give a shit about comedy and they just want to like have fun and drink and eat hot dogs.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2304.696

If you were really into it and people paid attention, it'd probably be fun. Small, intimate concert. I've done them where they're fun. Yeah? Yeah. What percentage?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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It's like a Beyonce thing.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Well, that's one of those things. Who was that, the richest man in India, his son had a birthday and it was like the most extravagant birthday of all time.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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God, it's so crazy. That's so much money.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2367.049

I think it was a wedding, not a birthday party, right?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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And Lennox Lewis was there. Yeah, Lennox Lewis was the announcer. Yeah, it's just, that's the weird world of extravagant amounts of money, like unbelievable amounts of money where you want to hire Kanye to come to your house.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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They spent over $100 million for Anant's sister Isha's wedding in 2018. The ceremony featured a performance by Beyonce.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2402.112

They have so much money. They won't even notice it. They'll make it back tomorrow in the stock market. I don't know.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2408.341

Once you get to that goofy, that was a hundred and how many million? 190? No, I'm sorry. Billion.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2419.094

Yeah. You're making $20 million every day probably. It's like rolling in constantly.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Do you think it's just because they want a DNA test because it's fun if he's your brother?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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No. I like the Jeff Bezos way. Wear tight shirts, get a yacht, have a hot girlfriend, let's fucking go. That's what you're supposed to do when you've got $250 billion. You're not supposed to be a fucking weirdo and wear a sweater and go visit Haiti. No, you're supposed to be balling, go to the Mediterranean, popping corks with models, let's go. You're supposed to... Get a million-dollar watch.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right. I'm not there yet. Well, the weirdest one is billionaires that compare themselves to super billionaires, and they feel poor. Like Brian Callen was telling me about his buddy who's worth, I think, $3 billion, and he's like, I really need to fucking up my game. Because he's friends with a guy who's worth $80 billion. So he feels poor compared to his $80 billion friend.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

248.083

They're convinced.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2491.417

I like to be poor like that. The forest for the trees.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2498.121

Yeah. Not this lifetime, I don't think. It doesn't seem like fun. It seems like the amount of stress and energy that must be required to acquire that much fucking money.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2563.539

Yeah. Well, it just changes the dynamic of the friendship now, too. Now he's not going to be able to trust your friend.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2574.365

Infamous?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

258.206

Did Bill's dad know, well, did your dad know Bill's mom?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2606.739

How bizarre. He's like a vampire familiar.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2639.113

And what does he do for a living?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2641.554

No one knows.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2653.493

Yeah, I wonder why. It just outed him.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2678.382

I'm sure he will.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2722.122

What did he play?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2789.027

Do you believe him that it wasn't loaded?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2837.028

What a crazy environment. Yeah. So you're eight years old. He's running drugs and guns. Oh, yeah. Wow.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2843.992

Did you see like a lot of shit?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2851.818

Uh-huh.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

2865.466

Oh my God.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3.993

Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3053.624

What did Bill think about this? Like the possibility that his mother had an affair with your dad?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3062.669

Okay. He just thinks it's bullshit.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3069.415

I could see how you would think it'd be possible, because your dad was insane. Your dad sounds like a fucking maniac.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3089.946

Right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3095.749

Oh, my God.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3104.653

Right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3118.039

Right, right. Well, I don't know how much he's talked about his family. But that's, I just can't imagine a kid coming downstairs and seeing Coco over the mirrors and Black Sabbath albums and people blacked out and empty booze everywhere. Like this is a normal thing at your house, these wild parties.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3148.691

That's true. That's true.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3151.392

That's so insane. That's such a crazy way to grow up.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3202.462

Oh.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3215.861

That's hilarious.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3219.744

But dogs can only smell one thing. They're only looking for one thing. When you train a dog, you train a dog either for a bomb or you train him for heroin. You don't train a dog for everything. Like what do you got? Three barks for Coke. The way they train dogs, it's one thing that they're trained to smell.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3234.577

They have one. Yeah. If they're looking for bombs, they're only looking for bombs. They're not going to stop you for weed.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3241.648

Which is like the dumbest thing to train a dog for, train a dog for weed. Well, now, yeah. Now, it's the dumbest. But they still do. Really? They still have weed dogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If they smell weed, they'll call the weed dog. Is weed legal in Texas? It's not. It's weird. It's decriminalized.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3257.796

There was actually a lawsuit that Ken Paxton tried to stop Dallas from decriminalizing weed, and they just lost in court. So Dallas now, marijuana is decriminalized for personal use. It's stupid. It should be the whole country. It should be legal, just like whiskey is.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3274.884

Don't do it if you don't want to do it, but you should probably know what the effects are, and we should probably study what the actual correct dose is per person. We know with drinks, one drink is one drink, right? You know what it is. You go to the bar, you get a shot of tequila. That's what it is. It's one shot of tequila. Everybody's pretty much, it's standard. With weed, you don't know

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3297.795

You don't know what's the right amount. Like, should I take two hits or three hits? You can build up a tolerance. Like, your dad, you're smoking weed. Like, if I smoked weed all day long, I'd be a fucking mess. I'd be paranoid and freaked out.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3310.968

But he was. And he just kept doing it. That's what's even crazier. And weed back then was not weed today. You probably could get some weed that's commensurate with weed today, like Acapulco gold or something wacky, but generally- They have all these crazy strains now, right? Isn't that the- Now they have scientists. Botanists got involved in the game, and they're making super weed.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3374.229

Yeah. Well, for sure, you're going to have like a normalization period after a while where it's like weed's normal. It's just like everyone's not drunk all the time, even though you can get liquor everywhere. You choose when to imbibe and when not to or not to at all. You're supposed to have choices. You're an adult. You're an adult human being.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3392.844

The analogy I always make is imagine it was the three of us in a room. Just us three, and we were the only people on Earth. We lived on an island, and Jamie just decided he doesn't want us smoking weed. And so Jamie passed a law, and he wants to lock us up if we smoke weed. Oh, I see. That's just as ridiculous as...

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3411.565

300 million people and one adult decides that the other 300 million people shouldn't be allowed to smoke weed. Like, do it if you want to do it. Don't do it if you don't want to do it. But you can't – putting people in a fucking cage for doing something that they want to do that harms no one but you don't want them to do is fucking insane. It's just insane.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3445.6

So I always thought it was— Those Vietnam War days.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3468.406

Yeah. It's a crutch for some. It's a tool for others. You know, it's a creativity tool for a lot of people. You know, Carl Sagan was one of them. Carl Sagan. Carl Sagan was a stoner? Oh, yeah. Huge stoner. He's got one of the best quotes on states of consciousness that are... that are available to people under cannabis that are not available any other time. See if you can find that quote.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3491.572

It's a brilliant quote. Yeah, Carl Sagan, I mean, he kind of had to keep it under wraps a little bit because marijuana was really illegal back then. But he still wanted to talk about it sometimes. It depends on the person. It's like everything else. There's some people that should not drink. They drink and then their eyes turn to shark eyes. They're gone and they go away. That's it.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

350.528

I thought it was a skit. I thought you guys put together a skit. I really did. I thought you got... Because I thought, you know, Bill does a lot of acting. I thought you guys were just fucking around. You like pro wrestling. I thought you guys just decided to troll the world.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3517.207

The illegality of cannabis is outrageous and impediment to full utilization of a drug, which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world. That's not the quote. That's a quote. But the other one had to do with states of consciousness that you could achieve. Excuse me.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3539.906

Yeah. Well, I'm sure he talked about it a bunch. But either way, he was a regular cannabis user. It's supposed to be like everything else. You could have wine in your house. It doesn't mean you're going to drink wine all day every day. You should not be high all the time.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3562.515

Well, it's like those people like the MAGA people or like the fucking Insane Clown Posse people. It's just like it becomes their whole thing. There's something wrong with going to an Insane Clown Posse show. But if you want to be a juggalo and that's your whole identity is being a juggalo.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3603.859

Oh, okay. I didn't even know he had a wrestling promotion.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3620.07

I just love that they have like a carnival of outcasts. You know, they like all the outcasts have a home in the Juggalos and they're all like they have these gatherings of the Juggalos. They look like they're having the best fucking time. Like they're all like minded people all partying together.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3645.1

They pull you aside.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3664.592

Are the Juggalos, do they have different makeup than the insane clown posse? Or is it the same kind of makeup?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3679.94

What does it look like? Like that guy right there.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3689.485

Okay, so some of the people in the audience choose to make their face up. I don't see anybody there with face makeup, though, in that picture. It's hot. It's the summer. Oh, yeah, there you go. Sweating. Went and washed off. Sweating off your makeup. See, like the girl there? That split tongue, that dude in the middle, that's a fucking commitment. That's a commitment to never having a real job.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3709.474

Up top, that's a lot. You got to really hate your parents to split your tongue like that.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3720.666

Yes.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3723.047

Do you remember the early days of the internet? I don't know how much you were on the internet in the 90s, but there was a page called The Style Project. Do you remember that?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3734.071

It was all like some of the most fucked up things that this dude could find on the internet. And he had a whole website. And you would go to the style project. You'd get like just insane fucked up stories about people. And one of them was body modification extreme. And I became friends with the guy who ran the site who's actually –

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3758.018

That arm wrestler, Devin Laureate, I think that was his brother or someone he's related to. Shannon Laureate, I became friends with him, and he gave me access to his website. And it was like a members-only access where you could like – So you got the VIP tier of Splitcox? Oh, my God. It wasn't just Splitcox. It was crazy stuff.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3781.543

Like some people, they decided that they wanted to get their arm chopped off or their hand chopped off. So they devised a guillotine. It was body modification extreme. Wow. So it was all different people doing different things like putting horns in their head and splitting their cock.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3799.154

And one of them was this horrible story about this guy whose boyfriend turned him into a eunuch, wanted him to cut his dick off for him and be a slave. And like, oh, my God. It's like detailing how this guy cut his cock off.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3829.393

I had David Blaine on and he made me stick an ice pick through his arm. Yeah, he's got this trick that he does. It's not a trick, though. I really stuck an ice pick through his arm. It's like you can call it a trick, but a lot of things David does, it freaks you out. But you can survive an ice pick through your arm, but I had to back it out because I hit a nerve, and he made me reinsert it.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3853.685

And so I reinserted it, and then the original one just started bleeding, and it got a little bit of a hematoma, started swelling up. We had to get the medics, and we had SEALs working for us, so they checked it out.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3897.791

That's hilarious. What does that have to do with body modification? Nothing?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

3939.912

When did you learn to hug people and be like outwardly nice?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4007.323

I'm not sure I ever did. Well, I gave you a hug when I saw you today. It seemed pretty normal.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4040.078

Yeah, it's like you electrocuted him, like you tased him. That poor bastard. It used to be you could touch knuckles with him.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4048.403

Touching knuckles again.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4051.224

He stopped touching knuckles, and then he would do elbows. He would touch elbows, and then he got to air elbows. He would just kind of like do that and then put it down.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4063.12

But meanwhile, he's hanging out with us in the green room at the Comedy Mothership, and then he's going on stage, and there's a comic before him, has the same microphone. They're spitting into it. He's holding on to it.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4086.046

Can we put this out? That's another level. He talks about it, though. He knows it's a problem. He just can't overcome it for whatever reason. And he manages to sort of like have it and still work his way through life. Like he was fun to hang out with. It's not like he's freaking out about other stuff. Like he was cool hanging out with just talking.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4119.412

Yeah. No, he is. Yeah. He talks about it and it's, you know, it's been a battle for him, but it's just like, it's so odd because he's so personable. Like you expect that someone like that would be like a recluse, wouldn't like people like, get away from me, everybody. But he's not. He's like super friendly, super friendly.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4140.701

Oh, yeah. That was probably a bad pairing. I feel like both of you are kind of a lot in a good way. I would have one of you on by themselves. I wouldn't want you and Burr together on a show.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4154.944

Yeah, well, he has to make fun of everything, too. Oh, yeah, that's a fucking great idea. What about this?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4170.588

It's like a normal coat. I understand. That seems normal. I look at a North Face or something.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4207.833

Also, you can't fire back. You'll get killed. Right? If you fire back. That's what I'm saying. He's going to chew you apart. You know what I'm going to tell him? Make a little joke? Yeah, there's not much you can do other than laugh along with it. You should just have fun with it. Just let them make fun of you and have fun.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4226.372

That's all you can do.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4229.075

It's like... Yeah, especially a guy like Bill.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4238.968

The meanest at that kind of stuff, but he's one of my best friends, is Tony Hinchcliffe. He's the best at it. He's the fucking best. I just found one the other day from quite a while ago. I'm going to send you this because this is like young, fresh-faced Tony Hinchcliffe. It's fucking hilarious. And this is just like off the cuff. They bring in these dudes, and he starts roasting them.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

425.672

Me, you, and Bill. You know what I mean? Well, people would trust you if the two of you got together and just both took a DNA test and found out you were brothers. I don't think Bill's my half-brother. But... He looks... Well, listen, there's a simple way to find out. I'll finance it. How much does a DNA test cost to find out if someone's your sibling? Jamie, let's find out.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4264.7

Yeah, just two guys, and they team up, and they start talking shit to him, and he just eats them alive. Put your headphones on. This one's hilarious. All right, here we go. He's the best roaster on planet Earth. Nobody's better than Tony Hinchcliffe. That's why I kill Tony so funny. Part of the reason is he's so fast. Did you get it, Jamie? Okay. Okay.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4324.858

Just off the cuff, out of nowhere. And he does that all day long. So he'll do that in the green room. He just turns on people in the green room. It's fucking amazing. We have, like, when we do these shows, like Tuesday and Wednesday night or whenever we're there, where everyone's in the room.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4339.935

Like, Tuesday and Wednesday nights are a really good night at the club because all the comics that are traveling. On the road, on the weekend, they come into the club to hang out during the weekday. And so there'd be like eight or nine of us in the green room just talking shit about each other. And Tony's just cutting up left and right, this one, that one. It's so much fun.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4357.369

He's the best at it, though. You do not want to fuck with him.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4365.034

He's definitely not your brother. He doesn't look anything like you. It's a completely different gene line. Now he'll make fun of me for saying I'm not his brother. So did Bill know that you were going to be there with him? Or was it just like how he just decided to put two of you together?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4384.74

Bill gets easily irritated. But that's also why he's so funny. He gets mad. He gets mad at everything.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4438.067

Do you know what Dice's best stuff is? Like, people don't understand that Dice is literally one of the best live performance artists. Just random street artists.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4452.852

And pretends that these people wanted a photo with him and they don't know who he is. It's the face. You want the face. You want the picture? And he just goes, he's fucking, and it's so, it's so uncomfortable to watch. You start pulling your fucking clothes off. Like, no, don't do this. Like, what are you doing? He's the best at that, and he does that for zero money. He's only doing that for fun.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

446.239

It can't be that much money. It's 2025. I'll do it.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4476.041

That's it. He's just being an artist. There's no money in it at all, and he spends all this time wandering around the streets, going to bars and restaurants and just bothering people, wandering up to people on the street in New York City. They're waiting for the light to turn green. You want the picture?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

450.5

Yes, maybe 23andMe. But didn't they sell out to somebody? Somebody buy them? 200 bucks. 200 bucks. There you go. I'll pay 200 bucks to find out. Why wouldn't you want to know? If I thought somebody was my half-brother, I'd be like, for real? I don't think it's necessary. If I found out Sebastian Manasalco was my half-brother, I'd be like, I could kind of see that. Maybe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

4511.304

Well, Dice is the only guy ever in the peak of his fame to try to bomb on purpose and then release it as a two CD set. Is that the Night Comedy Diet? Yeah.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4526.575

And Rick, who's a fucking maniac, loved the idea. He loved it. Of course. He's like, what a great idea. This is going to be amazing. Dice is selling out Madison Square Garden, like, more than anybody alive. Like, he's just selling out everything. In the height of this, he decides to record on a night where no one knows he's going to be there and bomb. No material.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4546.486

There's talk off the top of his head. Sometimes don't even try to be funny.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4555.359

It's performance art. It's like him on the street going, you want the picture? And look, if he couldn't kill regular way, I wouldn't respect it. Because there's people that do comedy that pretend they're doing anti-comedy because regular comedy is too easy. The problem is they're not good at regular comedy.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4572.488

If you're, like, hilarious at regular comedy, and then you say, I'm going to freak these people out by hitting them with something. He would do this thing at the comedy store where he would go on stage and see how long he could not talk.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4587.691

He'll go, like, five minutes. Five minutes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

4591.013

and no one knows what to do and people are like nervously laughing laughing but he also could fucking kill like in the rodney dangerfield special you know when he did dice rules like he could destroy an arena filled with people so it was a choice who's your favorite all-time comedian i'm just curious I don't think I have an all-time favorite.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4612.459

I think Pryor probably is the greatest of all time, not living, with Chappelle being the greatest living. I think that you have to give credit to Lenny Bruce, though, because he really started the art form. Because before Lenny Bruce, comedy was just a series of jokes. It was just jokes. And Lenny Bruce came along, and all of a sudden he had social commentary. He had

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4636.409

cultural commentary that he turned into humor. The way he described relationships, the way he described marriage, the way he described, it was like completely different. It's like, what is this guy doing? And then I think Pryor took that and made it funnier.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4660.53

Yeah, because he was just funnier. Pryor was just better at it. But the door was opened up by Lenny. It didn't exist before Lenny.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

4669.535

So Lenny comes along in the 50s, and he's getting arrested all the time in the 60s. He was getting arrested.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

4681.761

I watched the videos of that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

4684.103

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I bought it. I bought a VHS tape that was Lenny Bruce on stage. I forget what place it was. I think it was somewhere in San Francisco. And he was just talking. He was reading his court transcripts and talking about the case. And some of the audiences go, we want Dirty Lenny. And he's like, man, it's not about that, man. You've got to understand what they're doing here, man.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4707.08

And he would go back into the court case. But it wasn't funny at all. It was just him on stage for a long time just talking about his court cases. But you have to – the thing about comedy is a lot of comedy, like even from the 80s, it doesn't hold up. It doesn't mean that it wasn't funny at the time.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4726.37

It just means the concepts and the culture has shifted so much and they've become so commonplace that it's not shocking or funny anymore. I see. But it was maybe in the 70s or maybe in the 80s. And much more so with Lenny Bruce. Because you go back and listen to his stuff and people are dying laughing. And you don't even find it funny. Like it doesn't even make you chuckle.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4747.775

It's hard to laugh at Lenny Bruce's stuff. It's because we can't put ourselves in the context of being alive watching this guy perform in 1962. Red Fox, to me, is still funny, though. Still funny.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4761.531

Yes, his stuff holds. Mom's Maybelline? Yep. Some people still hold up. You know, Robin Harris still holds up. There's some some old school comedians like from the 70s and the 80s that are just still like just you could tell there was Eddie Murphy. He was special. He was like a special talent like his that still holds up today. But some of the stuff doesn't.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4786.96

And then I think the next big shift, the big change was Kenneson. Kenneson was a giant change. Did you know Kenneson?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

4796.503

Yeah. No, I was about 21 when I saw him live. I saw him live once when I was 19 when I was a security guard at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts in Mansfield, Massachusetts. So I got to see him live there. And then I got to see him live at some – I think it was like –

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4815.988

some weird place in the middle of nowhere and it was like half empty and it was this was like 88 89 so by 89 he was kind of falling off because he had just done so much drugs and partied so hard that he was huge in like 86 and then by the time 88 came around the material kind of dropped off and then by the time i saw him was like 89 or 90 it wasn't so good anymore and then he died and like

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4845.29

Did he die like 92? I think he died in 92. Car crash, right? Yeah, drunk driver, ironically, because he had jokes about drunk driving. But he just... I was always hoping he was going to come out with a new album and he would be back. He'd be back to the Kinnison of 86, but just the party and the coke and the women and the fucking no time to write. His brother wrote about it.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4869.652

There's a great book called Brother Sam by his brother Bill. Bill wrote about the childhood, about him getting hit by a car and becoming this maniac. He's like the victim of a head injury.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4881.275

And that's what turned him into that fucking maniac.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4885.436

Childhood preaching, tent revival preaching, and he brought that kind of energy to comedy. He was a different thing. I remember the first time I saw him, I'm like, oh, wow, that's comedy too? This is crazy. I remember thinking, well, this is a completely different thing. I never thought this was stand-up comedy.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4914.547

I think Bon Jovi, too. I think he was hanging out with those guys, too. He was just... I think Bon Jovi was one of his... Because he had a music video called Wild Thing. Yeah. Yeah, I remember he was singing.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

4924.576

Yeah.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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He's kind of trying to be a rock star for a while. But it's a quick fall from grace, man, because in 86, he's one of the best comics that's ever walked the face of the earth. And by 89, he's like a caricature of the guy he was three years ago. Yeah. And I think it's just, it's really hard to maintain, especially in the 80s when no one was famous. Like how many famous comedians were there?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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There were like five, 10 at the most. Now there's hundreds. But back then, like nobody was famous. So it was all about getting on Carson. That was the thing, right? It was about getting an HBO special. That was the big thing. Carson was big in the 80s. But for a guy like Kinison, even though he got on Letterman and he had one of the most brilliant sets ever on his Letterman sets, fantastic.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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We played it on the show once. It's really good. But I think with Kinison, it was really the HBO special. It was Rodney Dangerfield's Young Comedian special first, and people got to see him on that. And then he did his own hour special.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Yeah. And I know you've been looking at me. Yeah, he was. Yeah, I mean, it's like there was only a few back then, though, you know, and then Dice came along and Dice had a completely different element to it because people wanted to repeat the lines. What's in the bowl, bitch? Oh, the whole crowd would go crazy. It was like they it was rock and roll.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Like they sang along, you know, shot through the heart. It was like it was like rock and roll. Like everybody was singing along.

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The crowd wanted to say that, and the crowd wanted to say, little boy blue. Oh, he needed the money.

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Who knows what he would have done.

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We used to say dice had two dices, but my favorite dice was mean dice because mean dice would find a guy in the audience. He knew who could take it, who couldn't, who's smiling and laughing along. He'd be like, look at you, and just start tearing this fucking poor fool apart. Ugh. Fun. Back then, the beautiful thing was the Comedy Store had no audience. So he could go on unannounced.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Not at all. No. Especially when you consider how many different ways you've gone. Like not just smashing pumpkins, but pro wrestling.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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He would show up at like, you know, midnight on a fucking Monday night or something like that and just torture people for fun. Just for fun. He was only fucking around.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

5125.975

Right.

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It's taken a life of its own.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

5140.943

That's hilarious.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Like, I don't know. We were talking about the other night at the club in the green room. We were convinced it was a bit that you guys were doing together. We were convinced. No one disagreed. No one was like, I think it's real. Most people were like, I think they were fucking around. I think it seemed like they made an agreement.

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It's also the two of you guys doing this publicly is very pro wrestling, which is what you love.

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It's like there's something about it. It's like is this kayfabe? Is this real? Is this a shoot or is this a work? Like what is this? Well, Tommy – you know Tommy Dreamer? I know the name.

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Yes, that's what I'm getting at. Yeah.

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Yes, I do know what you're saying.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Well, it makes it much more interesting if there's a 1% chance that it's true. If I just think you guys are running a sketch, it's kind of funny. But if it might be true, then it gets to that weird place where it's like this is uncomfortable.

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Where were we? I never, I never been there.

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But if you have that Tommy's perception that everything's work, the whole world gets really weird.

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Yeah. We definitely are when it comes to politics and the news.

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Huh.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

5613.617

That's audience capture, right?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

5629.983

Right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Well, you really see it in The Dictator, that movie The Dictator.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Where he has that insane speech at the end. Oh, yeah. Uniting the world. Yeah. Yeah.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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And a brilliant guy. Oh, yeah. Which is really crazy when you think about how silly his character was. His character was this like bumbling, stumbling goof.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Yeah, I think so, too. But I also think that authenticity is more valuable now than ever before because it's hard to find.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

5736.03

Right, right, right. You're not a corporate creation. No, we never were. Right. And there's so many of them now, you feel like... You ever seen Kinnison's bit about the Monkees? The band the Monkees?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

5752.042

Well, it's a bit about Manson. And then he does this bit about the Monkees, about they weren't a real fucking band. Because they were pieced together by a corporation. The Monkees, which were great. The Monkees are great. I'm a believer. They have some great songs. But they were kind of one of the first corporate creations.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

5831.002

Right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

5832.944

Yeah, no, it does make sense.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right.

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Right. It wouldn't even be shocking today if the corporation put together a band. No one would dismiss the band because a bunch of people, they cast it together with a bunch of good musicians and created a band. No, I mean, I... We used to want Aerosmith. We used to want Steven Tyler and Joe Perry, young, coming up together, playing music. That's what we used to want. I used to want the Beatles.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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They all got together, they formed a band, they played in Hamburg until they tightened it up.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Yeah.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right. They're upset with you because you're connected to something that's different than what they want you to be connected to. Like they don't care what you really are. They don't want you to like pro wrestling.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

5978.693

Yeah, I suspect Sam was very mentally ill. I never met him. But I think one of the reasons why he was self-medicating so hard was probably that head injury that he got when he was a young kid. Probably really fucked him up because I know quite a few people with some pretty significant head injuries.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right, right, right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right, right. That happens a lot with fighters, football players. I'm sure it happens with pro wrestlers.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Yeah, the pain of watching people deteriorate is so awful. The pain in their eyes where they just can't navigate life anymore. And every day they have a fucking headache and they're just in hell. And they just want to kill themselves. They just can't take it anymore. And it gets to a certain point where it sort of accumulates over time. Where it doesn't get better, it gets worse.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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And you easily could have been a comedian as well.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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You're funny. There's a lot of people that are professional comedians that aren't as funny as you.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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That's a very hard journey for championship fighters when they are the fucking man. They're on top of the world. And then they have to just integrate society and be one of us. And then they go to the fights. They sit there with a paunch and a little bit of a belly, sit there and watch people doing what they used to do. And they don't know how to make a living outside of fighting.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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They don't know what to do. Very few of them figure out how to transition into some other stage of life. The thing about athletics is by the time you're 40, you're essentially done, unless you're a rare Tom Brady-type character or Randy Couture who can compete into their 40s. Bernard Hopkins, great example. But at a certain point in time, it's over, and you have to know when it's over.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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And then what? You've put all your eggs in this one basket. Where to be a championship fighter like a Lennox Lewis or a Vander Holyfield, you have to be all in. You can't have like a side gig in a blues band. There's no room for you writing books. There's no room for you, you know, fucking selling things on Etsy.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Yeah.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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I like having to... What do you enjoy about podcasting and why did you decide to get into it?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Yeah.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Is it Eddie Van Halen? Who was it?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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There's something about that kind of shredding, too, that's just like so stunning. Freakish. Yeah. Yeah.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Yeah, people get tired of that. Also, it's like most comics, they want it to be their idea. Like the whole idea. What you're doing on stage is essentially like here's the world from my eyes.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right. Like what it must have been like when Hendrix burst onto the scene.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Yeah.

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He was like, what am I doing?

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Shocking. It's always interesting too that people have a specific sound. Like you can hear them and you know who's playing the guitar. Like Stevie Ray Vaughan had a sound. Like you can hear him, like when he was doing Voodoo Child, you're like, oh, that's the Stevie version. Like he played music.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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It's one thing for another. Like comics, we give each other tags. Like, if someone says something, I said, you know what else you can add to that? Add this. Oh, I see. A buddy of mine was doing this bit on the guy who tried to shoot Trump, and we were bantering back and forth, and we came up with, like, the perfect line.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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They just have a different feel?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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We have a photo of him in the tunnel leading up to the stage in my comedy club of him on stage at that club in 1980. Oh, at the same place?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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I think it's 88 or 86. Somewhere in the 80s. Maybe it's 83. But sometime in the 80s. And it's like Steve Ray Vaughan on stage at that club. And it's wild. It's just wild to think that he was in this room. You know, he's Austin to where he's from.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Like I said, though, I think Sam was dealing with something. I think his demons were internal. The Steve Ray Vaughn thing, what's fascinating to me is, well, first of all, he's the only guy that can play Voodoo Child other than Hendrix. If you're in some upstart and you want to release Voodoo Child today, like, Jesus Christ, what are you doing? You're trading on hallowed ground.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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You know, like maybe you can do All Along the Watchtower because that was actually a Dylan song, right?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Oh.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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But it was already his premise and his bit. Comics add to stuff for each other for fun. It's like we just sort of... You're tossing the ball around in the green room, and then someone will come up with a new line for you. We'll do that, but no one ever says, hey, you should go on stage and talk about this.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

6781.113

Have you ever heard of Johnny Thunder? You mean talking about from the New York Dolls? No. Johnny Thunder was an artist in the 1960s, and he put out a song called I'm Alive. And I think it was 1969. And it was also covered by another band. But his version is fucking insane. It's so good, you can't believe he didn't make it. Can I play it for you? Please, yeah. Right, that's right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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His version is the cover. What was the other version of it? Tommy James and the Shondells. Their version, eh. But Johnny Thunder, put the headphones on.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Yeah, well, we started talking about it like a year or so ago. My friend Brian Simpson played it for me. And he goes, you're going to fucking love this. And he goes, this is a one-hit wonder from 1969. Never heard him.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Fucking fantastic, right?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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The fucking song is fantastic. It's so good. It stuns you because you hear something like that and you go, how did he not make it? What hope is there? Imagine if you were around in 1969 and you see that guy up at the Whiskey A Go-Go. He gets on stage and plays that song. You're like, holy shit.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right, of course. Well, the fucking resentment must have been astounding. You know, when you're, you know, trying and kind of half-assing it and your son comes along and all of a sudden he's doing arenas. You're like, what the fuck?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Right. We talked about this. Yeah.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Isn't that crazy? That's right. We talked about this. Bob Dylan...

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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That's so crazy that even Bob Dylan couldn't make it huge. So 1968, okay.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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That's fucking incredible, man. Incredible. Because you feel like a guy who makes a song that's that good, oh my God, all you need is good songwriters and that guy's going to be huge. There's a fucking billion dollars in there waiting for you.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

6961.394

Well, also, I think if you're involved in a life of crime like that, a lot of cocaine, first of all, there's a lot of bad karma that you have. But also, it's like you're too distracted. You're too in that life. You're never going to really be able to go all in on music as an artist. So you're never going to really be able to reach your full potential, right?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7001.577

Right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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I'm sure there was a lot of that going on. Wasn't that the whole Hendrix thing? You ever know that conspiracy?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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It's probably not that you're not that funny. First of all, you sent a text. Premises in text are terrible. Oh, right. Okay. You really have to be. Tone, tone is probably. Yeah, it's everything. And you really have to be there with the person, and you really have to say it the way you thought it, and then they get it.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7061.231

I worked at a mob club in Connecticut. Yeah. I did stand up in another one in Long Island. There was where the guys were connected by the mob. And in Boston as well. In Boston, Nick's Comedy Stop, they would offer to pay you in cocaine or money.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7121.678

Right, right, right.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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What happened when you got off stage?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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That's hilarious.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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But moshing was going on before that, right?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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I dated a girl in the 80s who went to see the cramps and came home with a concussion.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Yeah. Yeah. Bad music for bad people.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Because text is just, unless it's just genius, unless it's just like rock solid structure, like, oh my God, this joke can't fail.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Um, I didn't go to very many... I mean, I went to a few concerts when I was a kid, but not... Like, I went to Jay Guile's band. I saw George Thorogood. Not exactly an alternative there. Yeah, no, I never really saw a lot. And then once I started really getting into comedy, I didn't really go to see anybody perform. I was mostly just performing myself, so I never got to see anybody.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7231.112

And I didn't really become friends with band people until I moved to Hollywood in... you know then like in the late 90s and 2000s I met a bunch of band people and it was always weird you know hanging out with them it was always odd it was like oh that's that guy from that band yeah

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7291.717

Is that a medication for people that are bipolar? Do they give them Adderall or anything like that?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Oh, yeah?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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What a terrible thing.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Imagine if that's the thing that keeps you together, it's cocaine. I wonder if what coca leaves would do, because there's a lot of people like the high altitude herding populations and people in Peru, they chew coca leaves just for energy. And apparently it's a very different thing, like the chewing of the coca leaves.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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It's kind of like you get a little bit of a clarity. But the chewing of the leaves is like it's so normal for them and it's illegal over here.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7371.467

So you need a handler like Elvis.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7379.576

Oh, okay.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7382.819

That makes sense. That makes sense.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

740.905

Yeah. I'm telling you a lot of it is that comics don't like people coming to them with a premise. They only want help from other comics, generally. Okay, I get that. Yeah. It's just one of those things. And even then, it's touchy. Like, I would never help someone I don't know. I would never go up to them, hey, you should say this. Like, never, never, never, never, never.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7420.863

Yeah, I probably – I would imagine then a lot of motivational speakers would not be awesome band members. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like people who are completely dialed in with their life.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7433.876

They get up in the morning and they do their exercise and yoga and they eat well. They stare at the sun as it rises and they got their fucking whole life dialed in. They probably wouldn't be the best band members.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Well, how do you guys, how do you keep it together for all these years? Like what's the key to a harmonious?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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How come you guys didn't talk for so long?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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But it's interesting to me how people can manage – It's always, like as comics, we always look at band members going, imagine if all of your fucking success depended on this guy showing up, that guy showing up, this guy's girlfriend not getting in the way, this guy's fucking uncle not trying to manage you guys. Like you have all these fucking people. And you're trying to put together songs.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7516.32

And you're trying to like, come on, we've got a tour. I don't want a tour. My mom needs me to help her with the fucking business. What are you talking about, man? We're in a band. We have a record deal.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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As comics, we always talk about, thank God we're like a one-man show. Thank God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

7573.02

Right, right, right. Yeah, it's all the pieces make the puzzle together. It's not one piece as an individual. It's all of them together make Led Zeppelin.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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It's got to be like your friend. They know you love them. You're fucking around. You can talk. You can say, did you ever try to say that? You know what you left out? And they're like, oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, that's a big part of the bit.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7650.264

Oh, that's cool. Well, also... probably just growing up and being more mature and appreciative.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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A little bit of gratitude.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7676.26

Yeah.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7681.744

Well, look at the stones. I saw the stones at COTA, the Circuit of the Americas here in Austin a couple years ago. It was fucking insane. It's insane. I was almost like having an out-of-body experience because you can't believe you're really seeing Mick Jagger. Like when he's out there dancing, I swear to God, I felt like I was on a drug.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7697.874

I was like – my friend Bobby and I were – he's the one – he owns that place, Circuit of the Americas. And I was standing next to him like, I can't believe they're really here. Like there's certain people that you just get weirded out by being – like Bill Murray was here the other day. Yeah. And I even told him, I'm like, I'm weirded out. I'm weirded out that you're here.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7716.663

Like, it's just, there's a lot of people that I don't freak. I mean, I've met a lot of people. I don't freak out about too many of them. But Bill Murray, I freaked out about. But seeing Mick Jagger, I didn't even get to meet him. But seeing him on the stage, I was like, this is nuts. That's really Mick Jagger.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7789.832

Yeah, just the fact that he was alive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

7824.547

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

7828.609

Yes. Well, that's what you like about doing your podcast, then. You just like finding people that resonate with you, that really strike a chord.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

787.098

Because you could suck at that, and then it's terrifying, too.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7889.39

Do people still recognize her? Oh, yeah. Wow. Hey, well, there's Barbara Eden, I Dream of Jeannie. That was another one. Yeah. People get locked into who they are. Al Bundy.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

790.99

Yeah. I mean, it's all hard to do. Anything at the highest level, it's hard to do. That's true. You're doing arena shows. I've watched a lot of people perform in front of arenas singing. It's hard. It's a hard thing to do. Most people freak the fuck out.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7903.718

Yeah, but it's such a good jam. It's such a good jam. That's a fucking great song. Thank you. That's on the Green Room playlist. That fucking song rules, dude. That was a good one. Oh, my God. All-time classic.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7936.579

Wow. I thought he was crazy. Did you think that that's sometimes because you're too close to your own creation? Yeah. You're never going to get to see how your songs impacted other people the way it impacted them. You're not going to feel that the way they feel it. Hearing that song for the first time completed, they've never seen you rehearse it. They don't know how you wrote it.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

7956.453

They don't know how you guys practiced it, how you fucked around with the lyrics. You did it a different way. They just get the full version of it done. They're like, holy shit. And it's kind of awful that you don't get to experience that.

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You just operate on layers. You put stuff in there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8050.577

Can you give me an example?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8080.443

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

813.01

Well, also I think it's like there's a buildup, right? You start working in small clubs. You make your way to larger places. That's true. And then eventually you sell more and more records. Like Smashing Pumpkins is like they burst on the scene and sort of keep – you guys kept getting more and more popular. So you kind of got accustomed to it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8141.459

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8168.499

That's fascinating. And it also, like you can never guess like what kind of an impact, especially if you're too close to it, what kind of an impact your work is going to have on someone who's seeing it for the first time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8181.089

And if there's multiple layers that you're operating on that you're not even totally aware of, and then you put out this thing that has this very complex layered message in it, and it just makes people go, oh my God. That's one of the ultimate expressions of art, right? Music does something very strange that no other art form does. It operates like a drug, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8207.364

like music gives you more energy when you're on the treadmill like if a great song comes on you're working out you're like yeah like you feel it you know yeah there's riffs there's guitar riffs i swear to god make you stronger like uh tool prison sex that song makes you just raw You know, there's like something to it. It gives you energy. It's like a drug. It's an audio drug.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8235.29

It fires up your synapses in this very strange way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8256.135

That's okay. I know what you're saying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8262.078

Right. Well, people that go on these shamanic journeys, the ayahuasca journeys, they play these songs that accompany the ayahuasca journey. They're called Icaros.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8278.777

Yes. And they have this weird beat to them. When you listen to them by themselves, you're like, I don't get it. But if you listen to them under the influence, the psychedelic experience dances to those songs. And it gets guided by those songs and it's really wild, like really wild. And then you go, oh, this is like a technology to interface with the psychedelic experience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8326.917

Yeah. Well, there's this thing that happens when someone's really in it, where you feel it from them while they're performing. And you just get drawn into it, like, wow. Yeah. I remember the first time I saw Mr. Jones in me. First time I saw Counting Crows play that song. The way he was like dancing around in the living room. I'm like, that guy is so free. Like, I want to be free like that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

834.84

Same as comedy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8353.181

You know, I really remember thinking that because it was so real. He was so in the moment while he was singing that song. And I had Adam in here and I asked him about it. I'm like, what is that? You were fucking locked in, man. I remember being a kid. I was probably like 23 or something like that when that song came out. And I was in my apartment in New York watching it going, fuck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8375.036

Watching it on MTV going, this guy's just so loose, man. He's so free. And I remember thinking, I want to be able to perform like that in whatever I do. I want to feel like, what's that zone that he's in?

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#2283 - Billy Corgan

840.564

That's a lot of people. Yeah, me and Chappelle, we sold out the Tacoma Dome. And we were standing backstage. I'll never forget it. He looked at me. Right before he goes on stage, he goes, not a lot of motherfuckers get to do this. We were just laughing how much fun we were having. 25,000 people. It was crazy. In the round, too. In the round. It was very fun, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8418.159

Do you have to get in shape to do it? Do you have to get your lungs in shape?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8422.543

Do you build up to like a concert performance?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8441.874

So it's like a muscle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8501.994

Well, that's like fighting. It's the same kind of thing. You don't go 100%. The zen of that. Yeah. Some of the best fighters, they'll punch like 50%, 60%. And that way they could put volume on you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8520.183

Well, you have to have serious experience to be able to manage the storm that way. Did you ever have to take vocal lessons to learn how to not blow your throat out?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8609.695

Right, right, right, right, right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8639.17

And they did a three-hour show like two years ago. Yeah. At like, how old is he, 60, 60-something?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8647.213

Yeah, because I remember Welcome to the Jungle was huge when I was in high school or just out of high school. Yeah, 89, 88, 89. Was it? Okay. So I graduated in 85. So it was like a couple of years after high school. Welcome to the jungle. I was like, oh my God. I remember watching the music video. Remember when he had that teased up hair back then? He had the big hair, yeah. He had the huge hair.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8671.559

That was the poison hair era.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8680.037

Right. But you can't say what's wrong or what's right. It's just like what's sustainable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8717.688

That's the whole idea of you can't do it for other people. You can't do it for them. You can't do it the way they want it to. There's going to be people who like it the way you like it. You just have to find out what that thing is. Whatever your internal compass is that guides you towards this particular style, this particular way of expressing yourself, it has to be authentic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8759.509

Voices are, some voices are so fucking compelling. Like you listen to them, like Amy Winehouse, perfect example. You hear her sing once and you're just like, whoa.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8822.685

yeah yeah and authenticity like kurt was the master of authenticity he was changed he killed hair bands he really did he killed hair bands i remember when i was a kid um nevermind came out and i was uh with a couple of friends of mine and uh this guy goes have you seen this and he shows me this fucking cassette with a baby on the cover i go what is it He's like, this is Nirvana.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8850.019

And he plays to me Nirvana for the first time over his house. I was like, holy shit. Like, this is crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8863.934

But that's the thing. These unique artists that come along and transform the medium. Like I said, Lenny Bruce, Pryor, then Kinison. There's a few examples of that in music where someone comes along like Hendrix or Kurt or even Elvis. Someone comes along and everybody's like, what the fuck is going on? The Beatles. What is happening?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8903.374

Control.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8951.676

Like how so? Like what do they say?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8965.12

Like what particularly were they talking about?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8968.481

Like give me one example.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

8992.143

This is what happened with Dave Chappelle while he left The Chappelle Show. Same exact kind of thing. You know, a different version of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9040.623

Yeah. Aerosmith went through that for a while.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9078.364

Well, also, maybe they're allowed to do whatever they want to do. Like, artists changed their whole thing. Like, they went from Mama Kin to, you know, some of those ballads.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9104.916

No, it's not a wrong turn. I mean, obviously, you're allowed to change what you're interested in, too. There's a lot of bands that sort of reinvent themselves with almost every album. Like my friend Sturgill Simpson. He sort of reinvents himself with every album. Every album's different. He just gets bored with stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9138.28

That's pretty good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9152.045

Well, then there's weird cases like David Lee Roth leaves Van Halen, Sammy Hagar takes over, and it becomes bigger in a totally different way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9168.318

Well, especially if you grew up with that. The thing is, what you started out with is always what you want to see.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9185.968

But some people love the Sammy Hagar version better. You know, it's okay. You're allowed to. Like, Taylor Swift sells a lot of fucking tickets. Like, it doesn't—if you're not into it, there's nothing—it doesn't mean it's wrong. I mean, everybody has a weird four to— The way they interface with the world and some things get in there and really lock on you and like, wow, this is amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9208.456

And you could take the same concert and another person that you like goes to it. They say this sucks. And you're like, this is a fucking amazing. How can you say this sucks?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9227.104

Nickelback took a lot of shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9238.869

They had some fucking great songs. That Rockstar song, that's a great song. But it was one of those weird things where they had become like a punchline and for whatever reason everybody thought that it was okay to shit on Nickelback and comics would shit on them and It was like a thing that people would mock the success of Nickelback.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9257.197

Meanwhile, they're selling out arenas every fucking night of the week.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9294.933

Oh, so you felt like you weren't getting the credit you deserved because you survived? There was part of that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9354.852

Oh, wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

938.502

Just a sweet, sweet guy. Easy to hang out with. Very fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9387.215

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9388.116

Well, it's also like you can't deny that Smashing Pumpkins didn't have some fucking bangers. Like anybody who denies that –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9412.706

What do you think that's from?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9446.82

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9480.454

How do you navigate that? Like, did that trouble you at the time? Was it difficult to work as an artist?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9496.737

Jesus.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

950.728

He's also kind of a legend for what he did. Oh, walked away? Left Comedy Central in the height of Chappelle's show, passed up on a $50 million deal, went to Africa, hung out there, and then came back and didn't do stand-up for 10 years.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9533.166

Well, the beautiful thing is, too, you always had an audience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9616.302

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9630.146

Well, you just kept and reinforced your true voice. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9637.05

Which brought you to the dance in the first place.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9671.716

Especially if fame is fleeting. It comes and goes. Album sales come and go. And there's a new big thing right now. There's the new thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

968.275

He would do stand-up occasionally for free. Okay. So what he would do is he'd bring a speaker to the park and set up a mic in the park in Seattle and just start doing stand-up. And everybody would be like, holy shit, it's Dave Chappelle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9682.003

Yeah. And then someone's coming along. Listen, you've got to listen to us.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9692.35

Oh, boy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9744.354

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9756.159

Authentic voices. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9762.076

Well, it does disrupt, but it disrupts because it's an authentic voice and because it bucks the idea of creating some manufactured thing for the market.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9784.449

Also, you made great songs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9789.37

But the idea that somebody wouldn't want you in the business when you've been very successful in the business is just insane. It doesn't even make any sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

980.989

Nope. just living off of his Chappelle's show money. He had a ton of money. I didn't know that part. He made millions of dollars from the show, passed up on 50, but probably made it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9800.772

Well, that's the weird thing that you guys have to deal with. You deal with this whole layer of non-artistic people that have influence over art.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9859.62

What is it like when you release an album? What is that feeling like?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9874.491

But positive from the fans. Is it non-fans that are the problem?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

992.516

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9930.18

So it's you just trying to create the best version of what you have inside your head?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

995.938

Right, right, right, right. Those are always fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2283 - Billy Corgan

9975.546

But is that universal with successful artists?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10097.837

The giant thing is always weird to me because there's so many people that believe in kooky shit that want to believe there was giants. And that they hit them, Smithsonian, they've got them tucked away. Why? Why would they hide giants? Would society fall apart if we knew that at one point in time there were 11-foot men running around? And what happened to them?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1010.261

So what are you using?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10116.231

Maybe they're just like a lot of other large animals that just need too many resources. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10122.454

Yeah. Maybe they're just dumb as shit and huge. We ate them. Or we killed them. Maybe we got tired of them raiding our villages and they couldn't figure out weapons because they were so big they never had to. If we do know that there's tiny hobbit people, why wouldn't we assume that, look, if the tallest humans are like, what's the tallest guy ever? He's like nine feet tall.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1013.445

How are you using it? How do you get 2,300,000 stones all placed within 20 years?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10144.46

So let's imagine something two feet bigger than that. That's not so hard to believe, that there was a bunch of them. Is that hard to believe? If we find out that there was Little Hobbit people, and if we find out there was Denisovans, and what's those big-headed people that they found? We were talking about it. They found in China the extra-large skulls. It's a very recent discovery.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10163.834

We were just talking about it. They thought at one point in time they were Denisovans, and now they think it's a completely separate chain of people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10170.96

Yeah. They're always finding these new little weird humans. But these big-headed people, they had, like, large brows, and their skulls were much larger than ours.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10181.348

Yeah. And we pulled images of them the other day. Remember? They looked giant. We had jacked versions of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10201.142

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10204.064

But remember, we did find a better name the other day. That's it. Those are the people. That's the article. So this is December 2024. So it was really recent. Provocative new piece of nature proposed a whole new group of ancient humans, cousins of the Denisovans and Neanderthals, that once lived alongside Homo sapiens in Eastern Asia more than 100,000 years ago.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10223.718

The brains of these extinct humans who probably hunted horses in small groups were much bigger than any other hominin of their time, including our own species.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10233.105

Yeah. What? Bigger brain things? Like, what is this thing? Jesus. Jouleren. Yeah. Google Jouleren images. There's some cool fucking CGI versions of what they think this thing looked like. Go to images. Damn. There's one where he's like super jacked. Oh, that's it. Like that one over there. Like, look at that. Super jacked primate that stands upright. Here's a weird one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10266.7

How come all the intelligent things stand upright? Is it because you need your hands free? Because if you're walking on four legs, you never figure anything out because you're always using your hands to walk with.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10276.805

Like you need to become bipedal. Opposable thumbs. Well, the aliens don't, though. They gave up on that. They would just want three digits. Well, that's because they all just do tablets now. Yeah, they're so advanced, they're just scrolling. Have you ever seen a little kid take a magazine and try to, like... I saw this today.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10296.798

Yeah. Right? That's insane. And those are both human beings. Yep. Right? At the same time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10353.311

These guys have their fingers... Some Jeff Bezos-type character from 1802 has it in his house. Archaeology became a field because... Imagine if you go over to some skull-and-bone-type dude's house and you have a fucking giant skeleton.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10372.536

How many people have those little alien babies? Those little alien skeletons?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10378.257

I mean, if people find out about that, some crazy Chinese billionaire... It's like, get me a little alien. Come on. I want it for my study.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10429.525

Isn't that crazy?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10431.987

And imagine if they were just burned somewhere. Imagine someone said, this is a heresy and lit them on fire. We would have lost it all. Like Library of Alexandria.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10445.29

Oh, right, right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10446.511

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10488.454

Probably got them set up with like a UFO in the background in his house. You got to go to a secret room. The visitors, they've been here forever. But one of the things I did want to ask you is one of the wackier theories that I read online was that there was a discovery of some sort of an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10524.521

Why can't you go? What's the rule?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10531.731

Let them have a casino and let us go there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10555.257

Can you imagine if the government's been hiding that from us and UFOs? You guys found an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon. You hid it for so long you had to keep hiding it. Otherwise, you would have been an asshole five years ago, 100 years ago.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10567.664

Yeah. It's like we don't ever admit we were assholes, so we'll just keep it hidden forever and ever. We'll know who killed JFK before we get to see what's in that cave.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10577.609

Yeah, I'm not buying anything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1060.847

The only explanation outside of that, it was some lost technology.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10614.306

Especially if somehow or another you could show that those people profited from that power and then that family has inherited that money and they'd be held liable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10623.929

Listen, Dan, I really enjoy your videos. They're great. It's a great channel. D-Dunking. It's awesome. It's on YouTube. Always great to talk to you. I'm glad you came back here to do it again. And let's do it another time, man. Yeah, I would love that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10636.701

I would love that. Come down here and we'll decipher it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

10642.406

I enjoyed it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1065.332

That's the only explanation. The problem with the lost technology thing is where's the tools? What would you use? There is some evidence that there's some sophisticated cutting methods, the coring, the drills that indicate a very high-speed drill, which is interesting. So it's not just as simple as getting some tube and slowly working its way through.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1087.559

The way it's cut into some of the granite indicates that it was done at a high speed. So the question is like how, what, what was the material, where is it, what happened to it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1148.496

Well, I think if we're looking at a linear timeline between the technology that was available to people, say, 15,000 years ago and today, then, yeah, then you have to look at it in a more mundane way. Because, obviously, they didn't have electricity then.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1162.847

You're thinking, obviously, they didn't have diamond-tipped cutting tools that were made out of, like, some super titanium or whatever the fuck the alloy was. But if we're looking at... Lost technology.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1175.656

And if we're looking at the possibility of, you know, when you get into Graham Hancock stuff, specifically the younger drives impact theory, which I'm always fascinated by both the people that fully support it and the people that fully dismiss it. Both of those things are interesting to me because you don't know. Just stop. Thank you. Just stop.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1194.925

That's so accurate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1197.286

We're all just guessing. Yeah, we're guessing. But we're all looking at some really interesting stuff. Right. We're looking at the iridium. We're looking at the micro diamonds, the nano diamonds. We're looking at the- Black matte. Yeah. Do you know about my friend John Reeves up in Alaska, the bone yard in Alaska? No, I don't. John Reeves, he actually found this. This was actually sawed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

120.652

Yeah, let's explain to everybody that they believe that this one church in Ethiopia actually possesses the Ark of the Covenant, and that these priests that are supposedly guarding this, they all exhibit signs of radiation poisoning.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1223.23

That's an ancient mammoth bone. The piece that was cut out was how it was carbon dated. And I forget what the carbon date it was. It wasn't that extraordinary. Hundreds of years, I think, right? It was only hundreds of years, right? Or maybe a couple thousand. I forget what it was. But the fact that it was sawed at the top is very interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1241.645

Because some of the bones they've dated to tens of thousands of years. including animals that they've found bones of that weren't even supposed to be in this area. So he has a very small piece of land. He has an enormous piece of land, but a small piece of it, I think it's only about six acres, where they're finding an enormous number of woolly mammoth bones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1263.374

Short-faced bear, all these different lions and all these different animals. that some of them, they didn't even think were in Alaska 10,000, 15,000 years ago. And there's also a thick layer of dark carbon that indicates that something happened, like there was some sort of massive burn.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1283.508

And the theory is that there was an enormous flood and that this was a basin where a lot of these animals that died got washed into and then covered. So they have this wall that is essentially permafrost And they hose it down. They do it all the time. And then they see a mammoth tusk. And then they slowly work their way out. But he has... Go to his Instagram page. Every year, he's our last guest.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

13.493

Hello. What's happening, dude? How much? Good to see you again, man. Good to see you too, Joe. Thanks for the invite. Oh, my pleasure. Thanks for coming on here, man. I really enjoy your videos. Your website, your channel, rather, on YouTube, DeDunking, it's really great because it's so obvious.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1310.433

But this year, he got pneumonia. So we had a...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1314.582

delay him until recently but this is all stuff that they find he's a gold miner so this is all stuff that they find on his property well it started out incidentally and now they search for it but there's John right there in the middle with the baseball hat on the big guy right there he's a giant human so I mean you gotta see him in real life he's huge but this area that he has is extraordinary because he's got enormous see that's how they hose it all down

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1344.181

So he set up this multimillion-dollar research facility out there. He's got huge warehouses, stores, and thousands and thousands of these bones. Wow. And it's just in a six-acre area. And then there's another additional area that's a similar size. So there you can see one of the bones, one of the tusks sticking out. But he gave us that step bison skull that's in the lobby.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1365.293

I don't know if you saw that. That's 10,000 years old. Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1368.255

Oh, damn.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1368.775

Yeah. And so he's got a bunch of, I mean, he pulls them out left and right. See if you can find like some of the bins that he has. He's got these enormous, like, look, look at all those mammoth tusks. Holy shit. Just stacks of them. Yeah. A ton of them. And they're all over the place. I mean, his property is really, really extraordinary. Wow. But it's all his.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2267 - Dan Richards

1390.208

So he's like, hey, fuck off. I'm just going to dig this stuff up myself. I don't want anybody coming in lying and bullshitting and controlling the area. It's all on private land, so I'm just going to keep pulling the stuff out of there and hiring people to come in and do some research on it. Look at all these bones I found. Isn't that insane? That's wild. So that's the theory.

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The theory is that this was an area where a lot of these animals that died probably instantaneously by the impact got washed into. Okay. I could see that. I mean, he does a lot of fucking bones there, man. You're only getting a tiny fraction of it. If you actually see it, Jamie, see if you can find one of the images of his warehouses. There's some overhead views of the warehouses. They're huge.

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And they're just filled with bones. And he pulls them out every day. Like whenever they want, they go down and they hose down the permafrost. And because it's in the permafrost, it's all preserved. Yeah. Wow. That's what I was just thinking is permafrost is preserved real well.

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But these are all storage bins.

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That they have filled with bones.

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I mean, it's pretty extraordinary.

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A lot of people don't. And he wanted to come on here to spread it out to the world. One of the things that he found out was that they dumped the previous owners of his property before he owned it. What museum was it again, Jamie? American National History.

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American National History Museum in New York City had acquired some of the bones, and they had so much of them that they dumped some of them in the East River. Now, they denied it, so he sent divers out to the exact spot in the East River, and they started pulling up step bison bones and all these different ancient animal bones from this exact area where they said to look for it.

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So it's pretty much been confirmed that it's true, and he does know that they have some of them still, and they won't release them to him. So until they release the bones to him that are rightfully his, he's like, fuck off. You can't come here.

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But his spot, in my opinion, is one of the best indicators that there was a mass casualty event. There was some sort of a huge catastrophe that took place that killed all of these animals. Now, we know that humans were around back then. The question was, how sophisticated were they? And this is where it all gets so weird. Because I've been following this forever and ever and ever.

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You get that call. How much do I love Jesus? I'm willing to get radiation poisoning? This is kind of fucking crazy.

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And I was following it long before they discovered Gobekli Tepe. And so the question was that the archaeologists would always, the really arrogant archaeologists, would always throw in the faces of these heretics. They would say, well, if this is true, where's the evidence of this ancient civilization that was so sophisticated that can make massive stone structures 10,000 years ago?

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There is no evidence. Yep. Well, now there is. Yeah. So now they have to kind of look at it and go, well, okay, we're wrong about that. But we're still, we know 2,500 B.C. maximum, that's how old the pyramids are. They don't, they don't...

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I mean exactly like Flint Dibble. Well, you were the guy that broke down what he was inaccurate about when he was having that air quotes debate with Graham Hancock. It's all very unfortunate because what he does know is really interesting. All that stuff about ancient seeds and stuff and how they change over the time.

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And, you know, how you can tell whether a seed is domesticated versus whether it's feral.

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Yeah. So we're all out of our lanes with something. Every person who's an expert is out of their lanes with a lot of things.

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You're no longer worth a fuck to me in the lab. Science is not settled when you don't have all the information in the universe. Exactly. Since we never will. Yeah. Well, maybe we will. It's a big weekend. Get in on the action of the big game and UFC 312 at DraftKings Sportsbook, the official sports betting partner of the UFC.

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Maybe we won't, but maybe our future people will. Future selves, yes.

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I mean, what we're looking at is a mystery. And Egypt to me is one of the most phenomenal of all the mysteries, one of the most fascinating because whatever happened, however long ago, those people in Africa did something that no one's been able to do since. Yeah.

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And they did it in a way that defies our understanding, not just of what they could do back then, but of what people could ever do, including right now. Yeah.

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One of my favorite quotes is that Cleopatra was born closer to the age of the iPhone than she was to the construction of the pyramids. Yes. When you think about it that way, you're like, wait, what? What? For real? That's just the conventional dating of the age of the pyramid, which is much discussed and debated. Very much. And probably should be. It really probably should be.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Well, something that has that much radiation that kills people so quickly, wouldn't that be something that you could measure from outside of the church?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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I know people want to point to carbon dating, but- The problem with that is that we know that people resurface things and they do touch-ups. In fact, they're doing touch-ups right now, ill-advised in my opinion, on the base of the Sphinx where they've covered the feet. I think that's horrible. It's terrible.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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I should have done this before. You're one of those dudes who use that tiny little phone. Look at that little thing. I know. Is that the iPhone Mini?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Or is that the SE or something like that? Yeah, the SE, I think. Something like that.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Well, the new iPhones last forever. I think the Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra and the X24 Ultra have the longest battery life in comparison to the iPhone. They do those tests where they play the Avengers, and they'll play it nonstop on a loop to see which battery dies out quicker. The Androids last longer. Well, that makes sense. But not by much.

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You have to be a total psycho to go, I have an Android, I have a Galaxy S24 Ultra, and I have an iPhone. I've never had one of them run out of batteries. If you charge it in the morning, you have to be a total psycho to have no battery life at the end of the day. You should go to a doctor. You have a real phone addiction.

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Because that was one of the speculations about the New Jersey drones. which was really weird, was that there was allegedly, this is part of the speculation, allegedly there was a warhead that was missing from when, what was it, from Ukraine? I think it was from quite a while ago. So there was a warhead that was not accounted for, a nuclear warhead.

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Just taking pictures? Yeah, you got a dead battery, son. Yeah. It's kind of amazing that batteries work at all, which one of the things I wanted to bring up to you was the Baghdad battery. Yeah. Do you think that's real? Was that what that was or is there some debate? Let's tell people what it is, the Baghdad battery.

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Thank you.

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And the thought was that somehow or another it had gotten snuck into the United States. And these drones had the capability to scan for gamma radiation and that they were looking for excess gamma radiation, which would indicate that this thing was there.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Well, not only did they stop, but there was also this, I don't even, I hesitate to even talk about this because so much of this is horseshit. But there was a lot of speculation on Twitter that there was something that broke up in the atmosphere. And the conspiracy was that this was a Chinese satellite that was controlling those drones. Oh, okay.

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Thank you.

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And then the Trump administration recently said, no, there are drones. I mean, OK, why wouldn't you fucking tell us if there were our drones? You're just flying a bunch of SUV sized drones over New Jersey for weeks at a time. There had to be some reason. Yeah, what was going on and how, you know, I get, you know, I get you can't tell us everything. I get it.

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My friend Chris Williamson has a very interesting take on that that I think is very accurate. He said if you expect regular people to get extraordinary results, you're being silly. You're going to get weird people that are going to get weird results.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Well, that's part of the problem with being intelligent. you're worried that you're going to get dragged into a dumbass conversation.

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Yeah.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Yeah, that's being a science educator, right, which is very important. And very rare for them to be good.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Yeah. Have you seen the recent images that they got from Mars of that big square? Mm-hmm. What the fuck is that?

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It's one of those things where you don't need some big, crazy set or high production values to make something interesting. It's just you with a bookshelf behind you talking about stuff, and it's great.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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This is even more clear than live. Yeah, I know. It's super square. Jamie, pull a photo of it up. This is super recent, right? Yeah, just a few days ago.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Oh, so there's a mass of data that they scanned from the surface and then someone just detected this recently?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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It might be one of those things. It's like who is going to go by hand over each one of these images. And, I mean, you're dealing with the entire surface of a planet that's, what is it, like three-quarters of the size of Earth?

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Or larger than that? I think it's a little larger, but I could be wrong. Well, so something smaller than Earth, but bigger than the moon, and you're going to go over the entire surface of it. That's a lot. Yeah, and this, I think they think the rough estimates of this square are between 300 meters and multiple kilometers. They don't know how big it is.

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You know, it's because it's like, it's hard to get a reference.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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So I think the estimate is at the very smallest, it's several hundred meters across. So this thing, this square, it's really crazy because it's right angle, right angle, right angle, right angle. Yeah, and...

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Yeah, but this is the original image. Just this alone, you're like, what the fuck is that?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Yeah. It's just too convenient that it makes a square. It just seems so weird. It is. And then there's another image that goes along with this that's even more bizarre. Maybe not even more bizarre, but it almost looks like a cone, like a cone structure that's emanating from the surface, like surrounded by a circle.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Have you seen that one?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Yeah, it's real weird stuff. And no one has, like, the face on Mars was real interesting. I got really into Richard Hoagland and all his Cydonia stuff for a while, but he was making some very bizarre measurements. Like, if you go one half of the distance between this and three quarters of the way between that, it's the exact number that it takes. But don't do that. How about don't do that?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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How about don't just fucking arbitrarily look for some sort of...

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Yeah, my friend Mark saw one. Mark Norman, he saw one. He said it was huge. Really? He said it was really big and it moved really fast. And he said it had propellers, but it didn't sound like a regular helicopter. So it was real weird.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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What? Really?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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I don't know. Oh, my God. It says the giant square structure, just a short hike from the legendary face on Mars. Holy shit. That's crazy. How did they miss that? They were concentrating on the face, which is like, it might be a face, might not be. To me, the original images, yeah, look really wild.

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But then the images afterwards were like, oh, no, it's just the weird light hitting it in a certain way. And you can find plenty of structures on Earth that will do a similar thing.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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What is that?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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You find weird shit in nature. That's not as compelling as the other one. There was something that looked like a cone. So the actual image when they got, what is that dirty stuff you got?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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It is kind of wild that Twitter has like hardcore porn on it.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Yeah. Very weird. I'm not complaining.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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I'm all for doing whatever you want. But this original tract of images, it's a long one. And if you scroll through it, one of them is some very bizarre looking cone-like structure. That's it. That's it. Oh, okay.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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That is weird. Very weird. Like, what's that? I mean, it could be just a mountain, but it looks like a zit. It does. It is. And the fact that it's so close to that other thing, that's what's screwy. There's the face, too. Yeah.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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The faces in it, they're all... Yeah, so it's all this one area that's been studied for a long time as being that there's a bunch of different things there that you could interpret as being some sort of a structure. Yeah.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Wouldn't you like to feed Buzz Aldrin some mushrooms and say, tell me what you know? Dude, tell me what you really know.

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Yeah. Wow.

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He needs to work on his punch. Yeah. Had a clean shot and didn't do anything. It was a zero gravity training. His bones are deteriorated from being in space for so long. That is a wild thing that does happen to them. It takes forever for your body to get back to normal.

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When you're up there for a while.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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If Superman came over here, his body would deteriorate. Yeah. After a while, he'd be just like us. Poor guy.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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He can't just fly. But obviously, cartoons. No x-ray vision.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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The ability to go so fast you could spin time backwards, remember? Spun the Earth back the opposite direction. Save Lois Lane, yes. Water goes up the hill. Yeah, if you could somehow or another make sense out of the possibility that a civilization existed on Mars and was wiped out millions and millions of years ago, that would change the way we think about everything.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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And I feel like that square is one step closer to really needing a comprehensive analysis of what's there. Because before it was just like, oh, it's a lifeless planet, but at one time it had an atmosphere. Interesting. Oh, they found frozen water. Oh, interesting. Well, they actually found liquid water now. More interesting. Now they found a big square. Okay. What's that?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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That one to me is the what's that.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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They also stall progress with their arrogance. They stall progress by dismissing any possibility. Like, what are those ones? Is it near the Bahamas, those enormous stones that are on the floor, the surface of the ocean? The Bimini Road? That's right. That one's weird. Like, if you don't think that's weird, like, come on.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Right. The Bimini Road was really interesting. There's a lot of really interesting stuff that they find under the under the water that makes you think, OK. What is this? And the Yonaguni thing, if that's the case. See, that to me, that could easily be natural. When I'm looking at it right there. That easily could be natural. They're not uniform enough for bells to go off.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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But that one lower right, that one right below that, Jamie, right below your cursor to the right, that one freaks me out a little. That seems like those are stacked. Yeah, it does. It seems very much like that. And when you're dealing with, if you want to go really crazy with the John Anthony West version of it, which is like 30,000 plus years, that's probably what you would have left over.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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That's also the problem with the idea of this very sophisticated construction methods of the pyramids that were using some sort of advanced technology. Like what would... If John Anthony West is correct and he's talking about 30 plus thousand years, what would be left after 30,000 years? Well, certainly not much metal.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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And even if it wasn't, what would be actually left of it if it was just like sitting on the ground? It would be rotted and melted. To nothing.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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I am too. And I like that about your channel, that you are quite skeptical about a lot of things, even things that the people that are heretics of the archaeological world, they subscribe to. And you're like, eh, not so fast, which I think is great.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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That makes sense.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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I'm glad you brought up the nubs. Yeah. Because the nubs – that was one of the videos that I watched of yours yesterday where – what we're talking about, folks, is – There's many places like Machu Picchu. What other places have nubs?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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And do you think that it's possible that those, there's the nubs, those nubs were used to hoist things up and move them into place?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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You say that they're small, but if you were trying to place something exactly and you were lifting it up from the bottom, the only way you would be able to do that is if you had something like a nub sticking on the outside of it.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Or whatever it is, boards or whatever you're using to lift that and place it into position.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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And interesting also that the bottom stones don't have them.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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I think it's very important. But getting back to the Ethiopia thing. If we have this capability, supposedly, to scan for gamma radiation from the sky, why wouldn't someone fly over that church and go, yo, there's a crazy hotspot here? You would think probably somebody has.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

3834.349

That looks like maybe like stopped – had an iron gate attached to it or something.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

3861.68

Scroll, sorry, Jamie, to the one a little bit higher with the red tint to it, upper right-hand side. Upper right, right above that. Yeah, click on that. That is... So strange.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

3891.881

Right, but if you wanted to get it to sit down without having to pull out whatever's underneath it or whatever underneath it getting crushed, wouldn't you want something to assist you like that little nub?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Right, but if you were doing that as a method for each individual stone, and some of them you couldn't pop in like that. Okay, I can go with that. You know what I'm saying? Like it would be a technique that you would use to hoist these things into position. Right. Does anybody have an explanation of what these things are?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

3992.51

Yeah, I've heard the concrete explanation too as far as the stones in the Great Pyramid.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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So really rich people, like some billionaire guy goes, I want a mummy. What do I got to get? I want a mummy room in my castle.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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It's so weird, too. I mean, I love looking at it. I wish it was real. But that, to me, is always the problem whenever it comes to alien stuff. I want it to be real. So that part of my brain, I have to go, hey, stupid. Let's... Just because this is an x-ray doesn't mean this is legit. By the way, I can make you a fake x-ray pretty easy online these days. It wouldn't be hard at all.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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But these x-rays are so compelling that if they are legitimate x-rays, if someone really did just piece this together with a bunch of random bones, what a fantastic job they did because it doesn't look awkward at all. It looks real.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

427.559

Huh. So the thought is that if this Ark of the Covenant is there, and whatever it is is somehow radioactive, is there any sort of theory as to how they develop some sort of radioactive thing? Like, what is it supposed to be? I mean, it's not a reactor. It's in a box, right? Like, what is it? Well... This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Right. If the x-rays are real.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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And this is part of the problem. But the x-rays that they show that they say are real. God, they look so cool. I mean, you see the three fingered hands. You see the bones look similar to ours, but different. You know, there's enough of it that's similar to a human being's, and it is some sort of bipedal, you know, hominid-like creature, whatever it is.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Well, imagine if they were, like, way more advanced than us, but they got wiped out. That's... You know, there's versions of us that aren't as good as us that aren't here anymore Right. So we have Homo sapiens Denisovans they didn't discover until decade or so ago, right?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4335.671

so then there's a bunch of different versions of human beings that weren't as good as us and we're the ones that Maybe ones were better and maybe the ones that were better didn't make it because we almost didn't make it a ton of times Yeah, and a lot of it doesn't it's

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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What is this, Jamie?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Metallic plates have been found throughout other areas of the mummy's bodies, from the interior covering some of the bones to external attachments on the skin, forming a bifunctional implant with no signs of rejection. These polymetallic plates have been analyzed using a light-based measurement, revealing an alloy compound of copper, cadmium, osmium, aluminum, gold, and silver, he added.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4395.042

Notably, the silver has a purity of over 95%, which is rare in nature. Additionally, cadmium and osmium, relatively recent discoveries, are currently used in satellite communication and satellite structures. This is what they're telling us, though. This is a Daily Mail article. Yeah. This is a Daily Mail article.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4419.794

Yo. They still fuck? That's kind of crazy. They don't have dicks. How's it pregnant, right? Shouldn't they be farming that off to a test tube if they've gotten past intercourse?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4433.168

The really weird ones were the x-rays of the body in that position where you see all the skull and the way the skull is formed and the way the fingers are formed. It's very weird, weird, weird stuff.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Yeah.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4452.009

Super weird stuff.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4455.553

If it's real. But if it's just somebody's art project, you fuckers.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Supposedly have been debunked.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4467.48

What?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4469.341

What do we have to give you? Trump, get on it.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4480.087

Imagine. Well, we need a bunch of expeditions. We need answers. We need someone who is at a high position of the White House that's interested in this stuff.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4492.533

Like, find one of them things, bring it to America, and let's do a live stream of scientists actually analyzing it so it doesn't get gatekeeped at all. We just get a chance to see, like, show the whole world what this is.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4541.359

Pretty clear fucking conspiracy there. So what was supposedly the synopsis of her article?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4556.905

The thing about the elongated skulls is that some of them have a larger capacity, which is interesting. So it's not simply – because we know that there's a technique that they do with young children where they put boards on the side of their heads and they flatten their head. You can actually form someone's head. But that's not necessarily what was being done here. Yeah.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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People like to throw around all these red flags, you know, things someone says or does that you don't like, which is fine. But instead of focusing on the negative all the time, why don't we focus on the positive? If you're looking for a romantic partner, think about what traits you like to see in a person.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

4593.524

Maybe it was just a genetic anomaly, right? Like some sort of bizarre, like we talked about this, the people that are born, there's a certain tribe in Africa where a bunch of them have only two toes and they look like ostrich feet.

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Jimmy could find it. It's real weird. So it's some genetic anomaly that a lot of people have there. It's not rare. There's a photo of a bunch of them sitting there with their feet up. That's what their toes look like. And so there's quite a few people that have this genetic anomaly with their toes.

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Yeah. Very strange. So they have two enormous toes. So their feet are completely different than ours.

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Yeah. And there's quite a few people that have that. Now, you could imagine that a similar genetic anomaly could take place with the shape of the skull.

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If you could develop people that were a bunch of them where it's a gene that can spread, like you can pass it on, that you could have something where people had a larger head and a weird-shaped head.

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Well, those weird adaptations take place quicker than they thought. And a good example of that is the Congo. You know, there's parts of the Congo where there was an amazing BBC documentary about it. It was a multiple disc CD, DVD rather, thing that I had back in the day. And this Congo documentary, one of the things they found was there's a lot of plains animals that got trapped in the Congo.

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So the Congo, because of the change of the climate there, at one point in time, it was plains. So it was grasslands. So you have all these antelope and all these different animals that normally exist in these open wide areas. But they're jammed into a rainforest now and they've adapted. And one of the animals that adapted is the duiker.

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So the duiker is a small antelope that can swim underwater for as much as 100 yards and eats fish. Jesus. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So this thing that lived out in the plains, like all the other little antelopes, now can fucking swim and dives underwater and can swim 100 yards underwater. That's insane. And eats fish. That's insane.

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So this weird adaptation that takes place just in the Congo, which is just an incredibly vital environment that so much diversity of life exists in. That's weird.

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Look at that. Look at those fucking claws. How weird. That looks fake. The eye-eye. The finger of death. The world's most demonic lemur is also its most endangered. Meet the creature with the ugliest finger on the planet. What does it look like, the full version of it? Whoa! Look at his eyes. What a cool-looking creature. Wow, that's a lemur. Yeah.

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That looks like something from, like, Lord of the Rings. That does not even look like a real creature.

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Right. Yeah. It's really interesting. There's herds of antelope running through dense rainforest, running through puddles in the water and everything. Really crazy because they just sort of got trapped there. Wow. Wow.

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I love it. But just the sheer variety, the sheer variety of life forms that we know are real. And what's interesting is like things that are cryptic or cryptozoology type deals, people are so dismissive of them. Yeah. But I'm like, by God, there's so much that's real. There's so much that's real.

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Like one of my favorites is the little hobbit man from the island of Flores because that was dismissed forever. That was just nonsense until a couple decades ago. They're like, oh, hey. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Well, you were one of the – you, like me, were one of the early readers of Fingerprints of the Gods. And that's sort of how you got into this whole subject, right? Yeah.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Or number three. So he's in the top five of the absolute best athletes in any weight class. So this was a clash of the titans. The greatest featherweight champion of all time versus the current featherweight champion. So I'm not going to miss that. It's me. I understand. I work around you. I said I would do it at night. I'll come back. I'll do it at midnight. I don't give a fuck.

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I'll do it. So it wasn't me fucking someone over. And so just whoever's in charge of spreading that narrative, that's deceptive.

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Or it could have been a wreck. But it could have been a wreck with Trump, too. You know, like there was a moment where me and Trump were, I was saying, tell me how the 2020 election was stolen. And I feel like if you're, for the last four years, have been telling everybody that they robbed you, you should be able to tell people how you know they robbed you, and you should be able to say it.

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Articulate it, yeah.

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So I don't know what that's about. I don't know if he has other people that tell him that. He compartmentalized. Like, look, hey, Rudy Giuliani, you deal with that. I got other shit to deal with. I'm going to deal with this. You tell me they robbed me, I'm going to say they robbed me. That could be it. I don't know. I don't know. So that could have gone sideways, but it didn't.

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You should be able to communicate with people in a way that it's just about what you're talking about. It's a shitty tactic to try to break a person down as a human being because you want to enforce your argument or say their argument sucks because they suck as a human being too. Yeah. Like, come on, we're big grown-ups here. We can just talk about the actual ideas.

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It really is, and I'm glad we took that little side trip because I had to explain that. But the thing is, that little monster rears its ugly head in everything. It doesn't just rear its ugly head in politics. It rears its ugly head in archaeology, in religion, in culture, in everything we do.

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A lot of it is, I have said this for so long, I don't want to ever say I was wrong, and I will somehow or another... derail any arguments against me. I will call those people racist. I will call those people... I was watching one of your videos where there's this person who listened to what Flint Dibble said about Graham Hancock and Atlantis and connecting Atlantis to white supremacy.

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And she made the most distorted statement that's saying that people of color were not capable, that this is the argument of the people that support Atlantis, people of color were not capable of that sort of civilization, which literally no one has ever said, because everybody, especially the people that believe that that area of sub-Saharan Africa, the right shot, how do you say it?

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Right shot structure, that that is Egypt, or that is rather Atlantis. That is literally in Africa. So who the fuck do you think built it? If you're talking about the pyramids. No one is saying Europeans came to Africa and built the pyramids. The Africans built the pyramids. So none of this white supremacy thing makes any sense.

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Because all these people are saying was, I think that this city in Africa was Atlantis. If you're going to find an ancient civilization that is super advanced... Wouldn't you think maybe it would be in an area around where there's fucking for sure ancient advanced civilizations that made pyramids?

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Were the Mayas supposedly seafaring? No.

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There's too many people that are used to being in a position of authority where they're never questioned like that. And they can say that in front of a class or they can say that in front of colleagues and nobody pushes back. And then there's also this problem.

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with leftist ideology where if someone, if there is some sort of history at any point in time of white supremacy like that Ignatius Donnelly guy, like you have to connect even everything attached to the theories of this advanced city, this advanced lost civilization. You have to attach it to white supremacy or you are a racist or you're enabling or you're a dog whistling, which is my favorite.

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Dog whistling is my favorite.

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I hear racism. I hear racism. God, I'm going to do a lynching. It's so dumb because, listen. If you have a place like Egypt, that's way crazier than Atlantis. You already have a place that's fucking insane.

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No.

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That's way crazier because whatever Atlantis had, it didn't survive whatever that – if that Reichardt structure, if that's really where it is and it was impacted by the Great Flood, by the end of the Younger Trias, the impact theory, the water – from all the polar caps, rushes through and destroys everything, giant tsunamis everywhere because of the global cataclysm.

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Okay, well, it wasn't as good because the pyramids are still standing. So all that shit happened at the same time the pyramids too. So what you're saying, if you really believe all that, is that the pyramids were way more advanced than Atlantis. And believing in Atlantis is crazy. Yeah. Help me out. And it's white supremacy, even though it's in the same part of the fucking world.

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We're going to want – You're going to want something that excites you.

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Well, you know why? Carl Sagan smoked a lot of weed. He did. You smoked a lot of weed. That's very uncomfortable for a lot of people that don't like weed. Oh, makes you lazy. Nope, you were already lazy.

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Weed just got there while you were lazy. It has nothing to do with weed. Stop it.

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And Carey Mullis.

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Isn't there a controversy about whether Francis Crick was on? I'm pretty sure Carey Mullis was open when he was talking about the PCR method, that he devised that when he was on acid. Which is also, he was a huge critic of using that stuff for detecting diseases. He's like, this is so fucking stupid. Like you don't know, like he was so angry.

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Have you ever seen that video where he's angry about Anthony Fauci saying he does not know what he's doing? He's not a scientist. He's a bureaucrat. See if you can find that video because it's fascinating because he's literally talking about, this is pre-COVID by the way. Okay. Because he died like right or right before COVID happened.

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But he was talking about how PCR should never be used to detect diseases because you could find these tiny fragments of a disease, but it doesn't even mean that someone's infected, especially when you're ramping it up to X amount of cycles. Like they had so many cycles. You had so many false positives.

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That maybe someone had encountered this thing at one point in time, but it was dormant in their body and dead. But yet you're still you're looking at such minute particles that you can't use it to detect whether or not someone's sick. And that's what we're using during the pandemic to detect whether or not. So you got so many false positives.

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You know, some estimates were higher than 50 percent false positives.

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See, you find Carey Mullis on Anthony Fauci. He's like sitting at a desk at his kitchen table. Or he's sitting at his kitchen table with a guy he's talking to. And he's just breaking down the difference between the actual science. Have you found it? I know it's available. I've seen it.

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Okay. You'll find it, I'm sure.

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It says Russia?

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You're going to get a fucking virus instantaneously.

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Yeah, I think that's it. So this is Cary Millis, won a Nobel Prize for his PCR technique while employed by Emeryville Biotech firm.

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Yeah, so this was pre-pandemic.

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Yeah, so what he's talking about, I think back then, was also the AIDS crisis, which that's a whole other ball of wax. And if you want to get into that at another time, folks, just please go read Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci. It's incredible. But so this is another thing. This is more gatekeeping. It's the same kind of thing.

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This may be in a different way, maybe not to protect the ego, but to protect money.

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you just lost that's the people that's the stuff that was getting lost the masks i'll wear masks over my face today if it'll bring back white elephant there's also no logical explanation if the if the vaccine worked give it to the people that are vulnerable let everybody else live their life that makes the most sense but they couldn't do that they had to pretend that the other people were vulnerable they had to pretend that children were dying of it they talked about it all the time no healthy children died of it it's not true

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They tried to pretend that it was really dangerous for young people. It wasn't, unless they were already really sick. What it exposed in this country is that there are a lot of people that are completely full of shit that are in charge of telling us what the truth is, and that also we're really vulnerable in terms of our health. Our health is very vulnerable. Our economy is very vulnerable.

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We can't just shut the country down for a year and a half. It doesn't work like that. We're vulnerable. It destroyed a lot of businesses, destroyed people's lives. It caused so many people to become drug addicts, so many people to commit suicide. There's a loss of life and a loss of hope. And who knows what it's going to do to these young children that had to wear masks when they're in preschool.

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Who knows what the fuck that does to you? Learning how to talk with a mask on. You're not reading mouths and lips and you're not getting a full facial feature to read off like children need for their development. We found out that there's a lot of people that just aren't telling you the fucking truth. And the crazy thing is they were doing it in the age of the internet.

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Because they had been used to doing it for so long, they didn't develop the thing that people have now. Like now, especially someone like you or I who does stuff on YouTube, you know that if you say something and it's not true, you gotta go back and say, hey, this is what I thought, this is why I thought it, but now I know that this isn't true.

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Because if you don't do that, no one's ever gonna fucking trust you again. Anthony Fauci in the beginning of the pandemic, like, don't wear a mask. It doesn't do anything. It's just if anything, it's going to smuts with it. And then later he's saying, wear a mask. I wear two. I wear two masks. Like, what the fuck? We have video, man. This is this is a different time. This is in 1986.

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You can't just go and tell us some shit. And we don't know whether or not you said something completely contrary to that just a month ago.

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So if this thing...

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So I think the real thing that did her in was call me. Oh, yeah. I think the investigation into the emails, I think that like in the middle of the that was brutal. That was crazy.

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Also, who's letting him walk up that fucking stair without having a catcher behind him? Oh, come on. I would have some giant dudes. Big old fucking linemen. Because if he's going down the stairs and you've got slippery shoes on, that's a fucking precarious catch. You've got a 180-pound man who stumbles and he falls backwards. Like, yay! Yo! That's the fucking president.

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Don't just let him walk up that thing on his own with slippery shoes on.

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People don't know.

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Boy, that's old. That is. Next you're going to do a Nixon impression. Oh, God.

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I'm not a crook. Yeah. It's... It's all – the whole thing was very eye-opening I think and I think that also led to Trump destroying in the election.

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this i live in a city but around it's a bunch of farm farm country and there's like the places in davenport that had these great milkshakes you can't go there no more they're closed they're gone and it's a bunch of places like they've been around for generations and it didn't have to happen that way and if you want to be real cynical the people that are the real progressive leftists that you should be cynical about that because it was the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the united states

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The lower class, lower and middle class lost $3.9 billion or trillion. Was it trillion? What was the transfer? It might have been trillion. I think it was like $3.9 trillion over the course of the pandemic. And then that money was transferred to the wealthiest people gained that money. How? What happened? Stocks? Mutual funds? What magic are you doing? You basically stole money.

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Like something happened and through your policies you enabled the wealthiest people to get way wealthier and the poorer people to get way poorer. It's like 3.9 trillion. Is that correct? The transfer of wealth.

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Yeah, it's a newer one. They were talking about it really recently. They were talking about it like mirrors.

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So either way, let's be conservative and say it's $3 trillion. That's a crazy amount of money that gets transferred, and no one is freaked out that this was by policies, and this was by keeping everybody's business shut down. You could basically just take over because people still need to buy stuff.

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And then these big companies that people have stock in, the stock goes way up, and then everybody gets wealthier. This is kind of nuts. Well, the progressives aren't outraged in this idea that it was protecting your health. But are you sure? Did you look at the data? Because it doesn't seem like it was.

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Jesus.

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$50 trillion from the bottom, 90%. And that's made the U.S. less secure. Yeah, for fucking for sure it does. But the problem is, yachts aren't cheap, bro. No, they're not.

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You want to put it in order for one of them supersonic jets? You've got to have some chatter. Time to take over a small country.

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It's still the Clovis first thing, which was another thing that Flint pushed back against. But obviously there's a lot of receipts. Like that guy almost lost his career, was shunned by science, and he was right. And mainstream archaeologists tore that guy apart with personal attacks. They tried to destroy his reputation, destroy his career, because they didn't want to be proven wrong.

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How old was Monte Verde estimated to be?

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Is this Dillehay explaining this in the video?

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If Jamie could find it, what would the video be talking about?

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I moved down to Chile during the dictatorship years of Pinochet, so I was opening up anthropology departments, so politically it was difficult at that time. And another colleague who sent a letter to the newspaper in Chile, one of the major newspapers, saying that Monteverde was creation of the CIA to plant me down there.

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And, you know, that puts you and your family in a dangerous situation in a country like that at that time. Seems to me like the archaeologist's version of swatting someone. There's a small minority of people who will do anything in their power to defend their paradigm.

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That's it. That's fucking wild.

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What if that guy got murdered? Would they be happy if they took him and publicly executed him because they said he was a CIA spy? I'd like to say no, but I mean— Would they be happy? That's such a psychotic thing to do to someone just because— But, you know, these people, like, everything that they identify as is the expert in this particular field.

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Same fucking problems. People on Mars. Someone's going to make a sex cult on Mars. First people will be like, look, I'm the fucking king of Mars, bitch. I'm running it now. It's just humans. And unfortunately, even humans that are attached to what we think of as these egoless pursuits like science.

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That's – the ego fucks up even science.

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Yeah, roll that shit back. That's your job. That's your job. Your job is to tell us what the truth is. And if you lie, it doesn't mean that all that truth that you told in the past is now accurate. It just means you suck. That's all it means. So if you're a really good scientist, you say, this is what we thought. This is what we know now. And this is really amazing. And so I was wrong.

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All these books that I wrote, stop buying them, folks. I'm going to have to write a new book. They don't ever want to say that. They never want to think that those lectures that they taught, that those were inaccurate and that their whole life. They would be a mockery. They really would because those scientists are fucking vicious. They're so vicious after each other.

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They attack each other because they all want to be the fucking smartest guy in the room. And when anybody – oh, Mike? Mike's a fucking moron. Mike thinks that – you heard him talk about Fauci the way Carey Mullins talked about – that's how they talk about each other. That's exactly right. He doesn't know anything. I'd say it right to his face.

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It's just natural human aggression that's transferred into this field that we think of as purely academic.

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Bullied their whole life. Now all of a sudden they get to be the bully, which is one of the things that does happen. It's the revenge of the nerds. It really is. No, you're right. That's what revenge of the nerds is. It is. It's like, finally, we get our turn to be mean. Didn't we not learn anything? This is how wars get started, people.

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This is how people wind up killing people, because you other the other.

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The whole idea of the truth is what we all should be pursuing. And it's just really unfortunate that people are attached to these things that they've said for so long, so much that they're willing to go out of their way to prove someone inaccurate when they are accurate. And the Clovis first thing is one of the better examples of that.

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And now that there's irrefutable evidence like the footprints that they found in New Mexico that have seeds in them that are 22 plus thousand years old. White sands, yes. Okay, it's out the window now. You don't know. How about now? We don't know. We don't know how people got here. We don't know how long they've been here.

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Right, especially when we know South America had life, had all these humans living in South America. Why wouldn't they move up to North America? Why would that be weird? What's the oldest known people in South America?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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The whole Amazon thing's got to throw a big old monkey wrench into that.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Is it larger or smaller?

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What was the evidence of cocaine and mummies? Was that bullshit? I'm not sure about that.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Have you ever seen the one that Donald Trump has at Mar-a-Lago?

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Yeah, and if you're doing coke, you might want to put a little coke on the mummy. I'm going to do a coke off this fucking mummy's nose.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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You're coked out of your mind, and you're doing archaeology, and it's the 70s, and no one is looking over your shoulder. You're a wild fucking Indiana Jones type coke head.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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no he has a recreation of the ark of the covenant at mar-a-lago no yeah yeah yeah uh it doesn't look bigger than the the reason why i said it doesn't look bigger than sarcophagus maybe i need to look at it and i there's a possibility that i'm wrong there but i know uh i know that uh the measurements are off by enough that it was like this isn't just a little mix and match this was it's way off i feel like we should have a recreation of the ark of the covenant here

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What was the evidence? See if you can find what the evidence for cocaine in Egyptian mummies was.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Look, I found coke. He's doing blow. He's doing blow. They bust him. I found cocaine. It was in the mummy. I don't know. Yeah.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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Well, um... Cocaine, hashish, and nicotine. Okay. German toxicologist Svetlana Balabanova discovered traces of cocaine, hashish, and nicotine on Hanut Toi's hair, as well as on the hair of several other mummies of the museum, which is significant that the only source for cocaine and nicotine had at that time been considered to be the cocoa and tobacco plants native to the Americas.

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and were not thought to have been present in Africa until after Columbus' voyage to the Americas. The result was interpreted by theorists and supporters of contacts between pre-Columbian people and ancient Egyptians as a proof for their claims.

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#2267 - Dan Richards

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The findings are controversial because while other researchers have also detected the presence of cocaine and nicotine in Egyptian mummies, two successive analyses Of the other groups of Egyptian mummies and human remains failed to fully reproduce Bala Banova's results and some showing positive results only for nicotine. But even that is interesting, right?

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Yeah, it says that. It says, even assuming that cocaine was actually found in the mummies, it could be contamination which occurred after discovery of the mummies. The same argument could be applied to nicotine, but in addition, various plants other than tobacco are a source of nicotine, and two of these... Withenia somnifera and apium gravilins. Sorry.

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Were known to be used by the ancient Egyptians. Okay. So they did have some sort of nicotine plant.

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You probably should. I probably should. There's no reason. Jamie, can you pull up that one? Was it visiting the Mar-a-Lago?

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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But it's pretty dope, man. It's like Indiana Jones type dope. Nice. It's really cool. It looks awesome. But if that's real and these guys are just guarding it and dying of radiation poison, like, hey, get some fucking better leadership and let the world know.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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I mean, if you really want people to believe in God and the Bible, what better way than to say not only is the Ark of the Covenant real, but we have it here at this church in Ethiopia and we've been suffering for the past X hundred years. I mean, how many priests have died? I don't know. I have no idea. A lot. It would be a lot. That would be a good thing to know.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. See if you can find one of those figurines. So that's a water clock built on the idea, and the water clock, the water comes out of the baboon's penis.

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So Ethiopia has a lot of – Here it goes. That's it. Oh, damn. That's the one that was at Trump's place. Definitely a replica.

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Oh, look at that. It's a baboon water clock. It drips out of his dick. So it's sort of like an hourglass. Yeah, but it's the baboon's dick. That's crazy.

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That's what I meant. I mean, the one that's at Mar-a-Lago, there's photos of it at Mar-a-Lago.

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I found out something new today.

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See, that looks like that would fit inside the sarcophagus, doesn't it? Scroll up a little so I can see it.

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You call it guesswork. Well, it's also really interesting in regards to Gobekli Tepe that they've essentially put a giant halt on the amount of excavations being done there. And they've even planted trees over the areas that have not been excavated yet. Yeah. They've done –

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Yep. So you can't cut them down. Can't cut them down. Which is like, why would you do that? Why would you do that over one of the most important historical sites in human history?

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Can you show a photo of it at Mar-a-Lago? I know we pulled it up at one point in time. Because when these folks are standing around next to it. Yeah, they're far left. Yeah, see? See, that looks like it would fit in there.

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It's just shocking that steps haven't been taken to mitigate that when you consider that this is one of the most important archaeological sites ever. So it threw the monkey wrench into the whole idea that people were capable of building stuff like that only around 6,000 years ago. Yeah.

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Yeah, that was with Zawi Hawass and there was another archaeologist, the guy with glasses.

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And he was openly dismissive in the most disgusting way. Yeah. Where's the evidence?

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That's awesome. So the sign and the seal, was that about Ethiopia and the Ark of the Covenant? Yeah. Yeah. What's your take on all that?

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Yeah, and it's also – it's a weird one too because they know it was intentionally covered up 11,000 years ago.

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I know it's a little— It seems like a lot of work.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I feel like we should send the Green Berets into that church.

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Tell us what the fuck you got.

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Enough of this. Enough hiding. This is like, if you have that, that's something for the whole human race to know. That's not something for you to hide. That's not yours to covet.

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So the problem is if you pay attention to that guy and you see the real racist, then it doesn't work when you call Graham a racist.

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Also, they probably don't want to give him any attention.

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So the... One of the things that I saw on your channel in regards to Atlantis was this alloy that they found these ingots. They found this. Oh, that's amazing.

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And it's a combination of zinc and what?

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And they have found shipwrecks that have this stuff in it.

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I have one of your videos that I was watching yesterday. I could find it and send it to Jamie. Did you find it, Jamie?

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How do you say that word? Oricalium. Oricalium metal. Oricalicum, maybe. I don't know. Recovered from shipwreck off Sicily. Yep, that's it. So this was an early version of a metal that they had created.

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Can you scroll up a little, Jamie, so I can read that? It says today most scholars agree that orcalium is a brass-like alloy which was made in antiquity by cementation. The process was achieved with the reaction of zinc ore, charcoal, and copper metal in a crucible. Analyzed by X-Ray Fluorescence by Dario Panetta of TQ Technologies for Quality.

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The 39 ingots turn to be an alloy made with 75% to 80% copper, 15% to 20% zinc, and small percentages of nickel, lead, and iron. What would be the benefit of that alloy?

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Considered second only to golden value. It was found and mined in many parts of legendary Atlantis in ancient times.

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Look how big the sarcophagus is in the king's chamber. Yeah, dang. That's crazy. The king's chamber itself is so bananas. The whole thing, like why? What did you do? Why did you do it this way? How did you have the resources? How did you get those stones that are that big up so high?

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Brass.

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I'll say chemical analysis of the ingots found in 2015 shipwreck, high quality brass. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc. While the ancient Greeks did not know metallic zinc, they knew zinc coating ores. And the description that oracallium has similar color and shine as gold fits well with the properties of brass.

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While brass is not exactly a precious metal, it does not corrode and is widely used on jewelry, marine instruments, and medical instruments. Goldsmiths and jewelers describe brass as mahogany of metals. Wasn't that device, I don't remember how to say the word. Antikytherum? Antikytherum, yeah. Wasn't that made out of brass as well? Part of it was brass, yes.

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Mm-hmm.

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But what's really fascinating is the 3D analysis of what it was and how it worked. See if you can find that. When they show, like, that's it right there. This is the depiction of what it looked like when it was actually functional.

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It's like, what the fuck is that thing? And this was some sort of super sophisticated calendar, right?

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Corresponding weather predictions with star phases. You can correspond weather with star phases? I guess if you're doing a calendar, right? So if you're looking at when is it going to be winter?

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Oh, fucking cool.

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That's like way earlier than anybody thought anybody had a mechanical clock.

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Whoa.

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So that's what it's based on?

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I think it just said 500 B.C. Is that what it said, Jamie?

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Second century BC. Oh, so okay. 200 BC. But there was definitely more than one of those. Oh, God, yeah. That's what's crazy. So this is the whole thing when you're talking about ancient technology. If this is only 2,200 years ago. 15,000 years ago, you ain't going to find shit. That is so much longer.

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And if you think about how eroded that is, if that thing was still in the ocean 10,000 years from now, there'd be nothing left. Yeah. That's the other thing that's really gross about the whole shipwreck dismissal is that these ships were made out of wood. The wood would be gone. This idea that it would all be preserved because of cold water, there's no evidence of that.

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There's evidence of things that are like 600 years old, 1,000 years old. As soon as you get older than that, you get nothing but the pottery and the jewelry on the floor of the ocean.

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And the way he's right is there's no evidence of a 10,000-year-old shipwreck.

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That's all you have to say. And you have to say, well, we have to make a giant leap if you want to assume that people were seafarers. But it is possible. If it's possible that it did 2,000 years ago, do we really know for absolute certainty what year the boat was invented?

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There's you.

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They probably do, but whatever. Yeah. That's my feelings. Whatever. You can't have people fight at 5 in the morning. That's nonsense. You can't have an audience there at 5 in the morning fucking exhausted for a world title fight. Exhausted. Can't believe you're still awake.

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You just have to work hard. That's amazing, man.

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You're calling the shots. Congratulations, brother.

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Very impressive. Amazing.

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That's the parade. Yeah. What a picture. God damn, what a great picture. That picture's incredible. That looks like a fake picture. That's like AI.

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That's amazing. Well, I can't wait to see you fight again, man. I can't wait to see you defend your title, whoever it's going to be. I hope I'm there. I can't wait to see it.

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All right, well, congratulations. Thank you, brother. Bye, everybody.

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But he wants it to be perfect. Yeah, that was uh it was interesting because it was you could see him Using energy management. You know you could see him trying to figure out when to just defend and when to try to break free and you know when to when to plan himself and fire shots and when to just stay stay on the back foot and keep moving like he tried to hold you off a few times, but

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I think whatever you were doing for strength and conditioning, your cardio was insane. Because the volume, just the sheer volume and pressure that you were putting on him, and the fact that you keep that up solid five rounds, that was insane.

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So you're essentially doing almost like, you're doing like power lifter work. Yeah. You're doing bench press, like just power generating stuff. Yeah. Are you doing any plyometrics or any of that kind of stuff?

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Swimming is fucking hard.

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So it's hard to stay above water. Like fat people, they say swimming's not hard. Right, because you got a floaty on. You're literally swimming around with a floaty. You could float. Yeah.

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They're cheating. They got a human floaty on. I remember Maurice Smith was the first guy that started using swimming for MMA. Maurice Smith was training with Frank Shamrock when Frank Shamrock was just a cardio machine. I think Frank Shamrock was the first guy in the UFC that had a full, complete arsenal of MMA weapons. He could stand. He could take guys down. He could strangle you.

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He could armbar you. He could do everything. He could submit you off his back. And Frank was just a cardio machine. And when Maurice went from kickboxing and got into MMA, he was doing a lot of training with Frank. Maurice was super cardio focused. So that was like when he beat Mark Coleman. He beat Mark Coleman because Mark Coleman got tired.

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And then Maurice defended off of his... And that was the old days, bro, when they had headbutt. That was the headbutt days. You know, that's crazy. And Maurice started tuning him up on the feet. Once Maurice got up to his feet, he was just leg kicking the shit out of him. And he was talking to him saying, come on, Mark, ground me and pound me. I thought you were going to ground me and pound me.

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Whack, whack. Like he didn't take any crazy chances. And, you know, so he didn't get taken down at the end, but he won the heavyweight title. It's funny how you say that.

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You're literally the world champion. And this person hasn't even done five minutes of research in the sport you do. I was wild. And I was like, people still think that. You should just start making shit up. Yeah, we made it in alleyways. You know, it's not even. You got to get it on the dark web. I fight with a roll of nickels in my hand. I don't give a fuck.

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I didn't realize there's still people out here that have that mindset. Well, there's people in the news that aren't even humans. They're just robots. They're like media robots. All they want to do is be on TV. They have no opinions, no personality. Oh, I hear you're the champion of street fighting.

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That's such, that's so disrespectful to someone who has risen to the top of the greatest organization ever for combat sports. We all know that, look, I'm a huge boxing fan. Boxing's amazing. I love boxing. But we all know if Francis Ngannou and Tyson Fury had a fight fight, That shit would not last one round. There's not a chance in hell if they had a fight fight, a real fight, like an MMA fight.

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Boxing is a sport. MMA is the sport of fighting. It's the hardest fucking thing to do for an athlete. The hardest thing to do is what you did. Become the champion of the world in a tank filled with sharks. It's not saying that it's not if you were a 170-pound boxer. It'd be just as difficult. I'm not saying boxing's not hard to do. I'm not saying it's hard as fuck to be a Ryan Garcia.

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Hard as fuck to be a Javante Davis. Just the same mentality they have, they would have been world champions in MMA. But MMA is harder. It's harder, and it's more effective. It's the real sport of fighting. So for you to reach the pinnacle in the greatest combat sport ever, and this lady to go, you're the champion of street fighting, and you're on fucking TV? That's so crazy.

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Why can't they bring in an expert?

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Call in Ariel Helwani. Call in somebody. There's somebody out there that can do this. This is crazy. Or do it. One little second of research.

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Oh, the UFC. Yeah, but even then.

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They're going to be asking you stupid ass questions. Yeah. You should have someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about. They have to have a sports guy. Yeah. Don't they have a sports guy? The sports guy's got to know.

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A lot of thumb wrestling.

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I have the most powder on my hand when I slap. It's just disrespectful. It's just a bummer that people don't get it yet. So many people, way more people get it now than never got it before. When I first started doing commentary for the UFC, it was in 97, when I first started doing backstage interviews, and people were acting like I was doing porn. They were like, what are you doing?

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Why are you doing that? Are you crazy? I go, I love it. It's great. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, it was like being involved, and that was bad for your career. That's wild. Yeah, Dana and I have talked about it so many times. People would tell people that he bought the UFC, and they'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, God, that's terrible.

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Meanwhile, everybody watches it now.

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Fighting pro at 15 is nuts. That's nuts. You're fighting pro men at 15.

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They don't have any fucking rules. That's funny. You can fight at 15.

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Do you think there's something to be said for not jumping in too quick? Because I feel like there's some fighters that... They just got rushed, and they weren't really prepared for an elite fighter, and they got tuned up, and they were kind of never the same again.

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I think there's been a few guys like that that I think had real potential, but someone rushed them into a top 10 situation way too quick.

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It's hard to say, though, because Darren Till, when he knocked out Cowboy... See, people have two Darren Tills in their head. They have Darren Till with knee injuries, older, later in his career, and you have Darren Till when he was 170. Darren Till, when he could make 170, and dude, he was dangerous. When he fucked up Cowboy, I was like, Jesus Christ, this guy's fucking terrifying.

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He was ferocious. But he didn't keep that for whatever reason. He didn't keep that level of success. He had mad potential. So I'm not sure if he got rushed or if he just got injured. Or if it was just a grappling game. He was too late taking in the grappling game.

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Tyron Woodley, he fought Tyron when Tyron was in his prime. That was prime time Tyron Woodley, and Tyron Woodley fucked him up. But Tyron Woodley in his prime fucked everybody up. Everybody just thinks about that Jake Paul fight. Get that out of your head. That's an older athlete at the end of his run doing something only really mostly for money.

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I think one of his most impressive performances, two of his most impressive performances are performances that weren't even that exciting. And that's the Wonderboy fight. Because he fought the perfect fight with Wonderboy. He never led. Never led. He's like, let's make it boring. I don't give a fuck. But then when they had exchanges, Tyron hurt Wonderboy. Wonderboy never hurt Tyron.

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Wonderboy is a 57-0 kickboxer. One of the greatest strikers the UFC's ever seen. But he was so worried about those takedowns that he didn't really commit either. And he was always worried about the takedown, which, of course, you know, opens up punches. And Tyron could fucking crack. Tyron could crack back then. When he knocked out Lawler with one punch, like, holy shit. Tyron could crack.

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The problem with Wonderboy is he can do some shit that other people can't do. And one of them is that lead leg. That lead leg's a real problem. Because he's got the best front leg side kick in the business. And he also throws that round kick off the front leg over your shoulder. His first knockout in the UFC. He throws that shit over the shoulder. You don't see it until it's up there.

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And you're like, oh shit, it's too late.

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But he's genuinely sweet. Some guys will do that just to try to throw you off, but that literally is Wonderboy. He's the sweetheart of a guy. The nicest. Which happens to be a killer. And I feel like Wonderboy, man, he's one of those guys –

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He – I feel like if he had gotten into MMA earlier and really learned grappling earlier with that kickboxing – like maybe if he hadn't had 50 kickboxing fights but only had – he was elite at 20 fights in, I'm sure, 30 fights in. Yeah. And really gotten into MMA when he was a younger man. Because the thing about – like he's 40 now or 41, right? The thing about fighting is if you're not cheating –

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You know you're getting into your 40s like there's no way there's no way you're the same guy you were when you were 25 It's not possible. Yeah, so if you don't have the same body to work with it doesn't matter how good the mind is doesn't matter How good we've all seen it from the great champs. They just hung around too long and the body just doesn't perform anymore and

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And they know what to do, but the body can't do it.

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That's a solid coach right there because every guy needs to learn that because there's so many dudes who don't want to roll because they don't want to get tapped out, but they're elite kickboxers. There was a bunch of those guys in the early days of the UFC just didn't. This episode is brought to you by Blinds.com. Do you know the right window treatments aren't just about privacy?

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Yeah, I don't think Wonderboy ever avoided anybody like that. I just think he was late to the game, you know, and he was training a lot with Weidman, who's an awesome wrestler. But like he got his first loss in the UFC, I think was Mike Brown.

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And Mike Brown just mauled him, just mauled him. That was Mike Brown in his prime. He was a scary motherfucker.

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He played no games. He played no games.

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You don't want to get him motivated. Yeah, he's the boogeyman. I feel like there's some dudes that, for whatever reason, with Matt Brown, he died. He had overdosed, and he had a serious drug problem. I think there's guys who see the other side, and they come back, and they just have a different mentality.

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They almost lost their life to some really stupid shit, and they have a grip on life that's a little bit different, and a drive that's a little different. There's been a few guys that I know. They were like real heavy drug addicts and got off the drugs and just became performance freaks. Just endurance freaks. Just animals. And like so disciplined.

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You're like, wow, how is it that this guy used to be a drug addict? A junkie. And now this guy's weighing his food and drinking electrolyte-filled water and fucking showing up before anybody and putting in those rounds on the air dime machine after practice. You're like, god damn.

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They're a little extra spooky. Yeah. It's a little extra spooky, those former junkies. I don't know why, man. They're, like, not playing any fucking games. You know, guys that have almost died, they are not playing any fucking games with you.

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It's interesting, because, like, there's different things that make a great fighter. There's a lot of stuff. There's genetics. There's gifts. Some people just have that touch of death. You know, they just have that one shot KO power. Some guys just are born with crazy. Like Cain Velasquez, they said, just has genetic cardio.

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They said that motherfucker could take months off the gym, come in and just smother everybody and nobody could deal with them. They said it was crazy. Like nobody had ever seen anything like it. Like, I think Kane, for sure, was an elite fighter because of his mind, his discipline, his drive, his determination, his skill set.

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I mean, he was, I think, in his prime, there's the argument of who's the best heavyweight of all time, and I always throw Kane in there. I think prime time Kane was, he was a tornado. He was a tornado. You couldn't understand how a heavyweight could be throwing so many punches. He never stopped. And he could take you down. And if you took him down, he didn't give a fuck. You get right back up.

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Like with Brock Lesnar... Yeah. Bro, he was a tornado in that cage.

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He was the perfect model heavyweight in his prime. You know, like 240, not too big. So he has insane cardio. You're never going to see a guy like Francis that has the kind of cardio that Kane has. I don't think it's possible. I think you'd get a trade. With Francis, you get the touch of death. You get that one shot. Everybody's like, oh, shit. Like the Alistair Overeem fight. Yeah. God. Damn!

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He had that crazy, crazy power. But I don't think you get that power with that endurance. I've never seen anybody that has that kind of power. Connor even. Amazing power, but he doesn't have the kind of endurance that some of these guys that have less power do.

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It's a bit of a problem for him, right? Because he has not been tested in that way. And, you know, you're getting up to elite status where you're calling out Jon Jones. Yeah. Right? That's the boogeyman. Jon Jones is the fucking boogeyman. And maybe he hasn't died, but he's probably come out. He's probably knocked on the door a couple of times, like, what's going on, Def? You in there?

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You know, Jon Jones has had some trials and tribulations, but the skill set and the ability to push deep into rounds is nuts. Like, Jon fought... When he fought Gustafsson, he had almost no training camp. They said he barely showed up, like... You know, I talked to Jackson about it, and Greg Jackson was telling me he didn't even train for that fight. Wow.

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And then he pulled that fight off in the fourth and fifth rounds. That's when he really turned it up. So you're talking about a guy who hasn't even been training, and then you saw the real Jon Jones in the second fight. That's motivated Jon Jones, who's like, I'm going to show you what the fuck is really up. And then he just beats the shit out of Gustafson in the second fight.

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Gon is like one of the most exciting guys on the feet. He's so athletic in that style. He's had a weird front kick too. You ever notice his front kick? Like a twisting front kick off the front leg?

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But it's weird because he turns. turns it and snaps it up. So he jabs you with the toes. There's a kick in Taekwondo that's kind of a goofy kick. It's called a twisting kick. And you kind of do it to the face. And it's like you swing your leg up and kick like this. It's like this. But that's what he's doing in a sideways stance. He's just doing it to the body. He's like got a twisting front kick.

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Nobody kicks like him.

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He fucked Bam Bam up. That was like Cyril gone at his very best. A guy like Bam Bam who just comes forward and takes a hell of a shot. He's not scared to take one to give one. I mean, Tui Vassa is one of the most exciting guys of all time, right? Yeah, it's crazy how... But that style. Yeah.

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With Gon, Gon's this elite striker, incredible lateral movement, you know, counter-punching the ability to move out of range and dive right back in real quick. Yeah. But Aspinall is like, we've only seen him smash. We've only seen, we've never seen him be the nail.

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And he took Pavlovich's fight with a fucked up rib. He couldn't even wrestle.

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I mean, imagine you're going up against Pavlovich. You know the only guys who's ever beat him was Overeem. And Overeem took him down, beat him up on the ground. And you're like, I got to get this guy down. This guy's knocking everybody dead. And he knocks them out standing. He's so fast for a heavyweight. But again, you're saying the right thing.

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Like, what is it like in the fifth round with Jon Jones? Because if you can't steamroll Jon Jones and he starts sidekicking your fucking kneecaps... You know? There's nobody better with distance than John.

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I know you've experienced that. Man. Yeah. How many eye surgeries have you had to have?

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They can't say nothing. There were so many doubters, so many naysayers, so many people did want you to get that title shot. It was so unfair, dude. It was really wild. It was wild to see. It really was. It really was. Because I'm like, are you guys not watching his fights? Like, what the fuck are you guys seeing? I do not understand when people don't appreciate excellence. I really don't get it.

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And how long did you have to stay like that for?

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So you're lying. Did you go to sleep in a massage chair?

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Doctors always want you to stop doing what you're doing.

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That's what they always say.

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Yeah, I had a friend of mine who had a detached retina and he didn't go in quick enough. And he lost most of his vision in that eye.

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He had a bunch of surgeries that could never fix it. He said that whoever told him that it wasn't a detached retina fucked him because if he had known right away when he went in to check it that it was a detached retina, he would have been able to immediately get surgery and they would have saved it.

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How gangster is that motherfucker? That dude fought 10 times in the UFC with one eyeball.

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Couldn't see. He memorized the fucking eye chart.

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Well, how about fucking, what's his face? The pirate.

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That guy's crazy. He's only got one eye.

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I watched him fight before he was ever in the UFC when he was on other organizations. And I was like, Jesus Christ, this guy can kick. He kicks like you're thinking he's going to get tired from all that kicking. And he does not get tired. Yeah. It's wild. The volume of kicks. He reminds me a lot of Yair. Oh.

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You know, Yair is like one of those guys like, yo, you better stop thinking about kicking with him. You ain't kicking with Yair Rodriguez. You better figure out a way to get past that shit because that guy can kick in a weird way.

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Like the Sean Brady fight, you see that fight, you don't think this dude is a fucking problem for everybody. You see the Wonderboy fight, see all your fights.

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Right, because you're not so tense you're worried about getting knocked out.

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But it's, like, with a guy like Yair, if you're going to fight a guy like Yair... You got to find some Taekwondo champion and bring him in. But even then, they're not going to know how to punch that good. They're not going to know how to wrestle. So you're going to be missing part of it because Jair can submit a lot of people. He's fucking wicked off his back. His triangle is fast as fuck.

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Yeah, that style is just so taxing. For people that don't see the difference, there's two things in the octagon that are probably the most taxing that you wouldn't really guess. The biggest one is the clinch. Bro, you see guys just get drained after the first round and the clinch, and they go back to their corner, and then everything's coming slower. The punches are coming slower.

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The footwork looks slower. Reaction time is slower. They'll take a shot that maybe they could have got away from because they just don't want to move.

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That guy had that creepy grappling strength where he would get a hold of guys and he'd be like, what is happening here? Like, how is this guy so fucking strong, especially at 170? Bro, Damian Maia at 170 was terrifying. Yeah.

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He got fucked in the Kamaru Usman fight. He got fu-ha-ha-ha-fucked. He got fucked. He got to Kamaru's back. He had one hook in standing up, and they fucking separated him. It is one of the greatest tragedies and travesties in the history of the sport. That one positional change. That is a terrible – I don't know what referee it was. I don't want to call him out. People make mistakes.

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But for Damian Maia, he got fucked because he had Kamaru's back. And Kamaru's only loss up to that point was a rear naked choke in his first fight.

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And Kamaru was nowhere near the grappler in terms of submissions that Damian was. Damian will set traps. He will do shit to you. And he just gets a hold of – like what he did to Neil Magny. Damian gets a hold of dudes and you're like, what is happening here? This is a different kind of squeeze, man. And he got fucked.

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Everything could have changed from that fight. Everything could have changed. So let's imagine the judge doesn't do that. There is a 30% likelihood Kamara's going to get him to the ground and strangle him. Legitimately. You're looking at primetime Damian Maia in the worst possible position. One hook in, he's got your back. How are you shaking him off?

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You got a 30% chance of shaking him off. You're stuck. You got a good chance of holding off until the end of the round. You might be able to stop him from advancing, but it's perilous. This is a terrible position you're in. Damian Maia's on your back, and the referee's like, break it up! There's no action here. Are you a champion street fighter? It's the same shit. What are you doing?

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This is the sport. The sport is this guy is a professional strangler, and he's finally gotten a hold of this guy. Oh, boo. The casuals are booing, so you're going to separate it? This is... It's the worst, for me, the biggest travesty I've ever seen in MMA. That was number one. There's probably been a few.

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If I really had to go over all of them, I'd probably find a few other ones that were right up there.

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I believe in no stand-ups.

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I know it's boring. I don't give a fuck. No stand-ups. No stand-ups. I go a step further. No stand-ups. And I think the fight should resume exactly what position you were in at the end of the round.

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Absolutely. I think they have to shut the fuck up. I think everybody has to shut the fuck up and just recognize what you did because you put so much pressure on him standing up. You were in his face from the very first second of the very first round.

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That's a real fight, though, right? That's a real fight. How did you get back up to your feet? The round ended. Yeah. Okay. What are we doing? We're cheating for the striker? Because that seems like you're kind of cheating for the striker. I know everyone's used to doing it this way, but if you want to look at it realistically, the striker has an advantage for the first few seconds of every fight.

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Every fight. The fight starts standing. So in that perceived distance where the striker has his advantage, it starts off with the striker's advantage. So if a grappler gets you to the ground, why do you get that advantage back in the next round?

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And it's the hardest thing to get up. Yeah. So if you can never get up, that's tough shit.

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It's on you. That's the sport. The sport is not, boo, stand them up, just breathe. You know? Here it is. Look at this. Let's look at this again. Take it back from the beginning. So Damien gets the clinch, right? And Kamaru's got an overhook on the left arm, and he's defending so far. So Damien's working towards the takedown.

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Damien sneaks that leg in, and now Kamaru starts to get in trouble because Damien takes that left arm. He goes all the way over and cinches the waist. So now he's pretty deep. The thing that's saving Kamaru here is his right arm. That whizzer on his right arm is the thing that's saving him. But he's in danger. Now he's in much more danger.

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Because now Damian has the hook, and now Damian's pulling that arm over the top of Kamaru's whizzer. So he'll connect his arms. If the referee lets him, what he wants to do is connect his hands in front of Kamaru. Kamaru does not want that. They're hand-fighting right here. But this is a dangerous spot for Kamaru because the only thing that's saving him is that whizzer.

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Without that whizzer, he's fucked right now. And he knows it, and he's strong as fuck, and he's holding on to that whizzer with everything he's got. But Damien is just slowly inching, and he's putting leverage with his leg.

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Yeah, that little back leg is so cool. Yeah, and look, he's further. Now he's even further. Now he can punch him. He's even further. So he's progressing. So he has gotten to a spot where, and the referee is telling him, I guess he's grabbing gloves. The referee's saying he's got to grab the wrist. And he's close to doing like a twister, standing twister. Yeah, and he's closer.

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He's even closer now. Now it's even better. Now it's even better. So now Damien is trying to figure out when he can get his right hook in and what he's doing with his left arm. So the whizzer is still holding that left arm in place, but Damien at one point in time had sort of threatened to creep it up over the top of Kamaru's left shoulder. And that's what he wants to do here.

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You just advanced and you could tell he wanted that space and you could tell it was a different experience than what he thought he was going to get from you.

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So he wants to put all this pressure on, make Kamaru do something to defend all the leverage he's putting on his legs, defend these punches. He's setting up little traps, just trying to open up the space so that he can get that right hook in and that left arm over the top. So he is on the back now, like fully on the back. And then the referee stops him. Wow.

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And this is the first round when they're still driving. Bro, in fucking sane that this referee did this. In fucking sane. A travesty. An unfair advantage. for Kamaru for sure. And then Kamaru caught him with a left hand or a right hand. He's catching with jabs. He shouldn't be in this position now. Kamaru should be still trying to fight out his way out of that clinch. And guess what?

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He might not have fought his way out of that clinch. He was like six steps to checkmate. You know, he was pretty close. Six out of ten, he was in.

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Damien punched his butt, so you don't think a butt punch hurts? He's trying to do something to get Kamaru to react. He's trying to get movement out of him.

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Travesty. Now, imagine. Damian Maia submits him. The world changes. Kamaru goes to that next fight. Now everybody's looking to submit him. Things change. He's not the boogeyman anymore. Somebody just tapped him. Maybe his confidence goes down a little bit. Maybe he doesn't get favorable matchup in his next fight. Maybe he loses again. Damian goes, gets the belt. Yes, Damian gets the belt.

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Things happen, man. Weird things happen. Weird things happen in the sport. You know, that's why it's so incredible when someone reaches the title. When you actually do it, you become Islam Makachev, you become Bilal Muhammad, you get all the way up there and you win the title. There's so many hurdles. Like, you've lost fights. The eye poke with Leon was crazy. You've had bad moments.

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And to get all past that and get to the title.

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There's a lot to that. Yeah. There's a lot to that. There's a lot to that because the guys that come up real fast and super talented and just fuck everybody up and never get tested, I think for some of those guys, it's harder to maintain that motivation because you don't know the downs.

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yeah you know like they just they have a belief in themselves like you know BJ Penn is a good example that in my opinion I always put BJ in the category of one of the greatest of all time I always say you got to look at BJ in his prime you have to look at BJ when he was beating Sean Shirk BJ when he beat Joe Daddy Stevens and BJ was a monster man just a monster he had crazy flexibility unbelievable balance you could try to take him down he would hop around on one leg like he had two

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It was nuts, man. But BJ was so fucking talented that I think BJ didn't really like to work that hard. He didn't really get up for it as much as some of the other guys that weren't as talented. And when BJ wasn't as primed, that's when he was training with the Marinovichs. That's when he was doing those crazy plyometric workouts. So he had this insane gas tank with all the talent of a BJ Penn.

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Like Tyron Woodley, the same kind of thing. You think about them only when they're at the end of their career. You don't think about how good they were. Nobody can maintain that forever. It's not possible.

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But GSP came back and he fought when he was older. He fought Bisping at 85. And GSP, he had gone through some wars. And at the end of that last one, he was just like, I need some time off.

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Here's another one. So let's imagine Tony Ferguson doesn't trip over those wires backstage. So he's about to fight Khabib for the title in Madison Square Garden. He trips over some wires backstage and tears his knee apart. Just a freak accident. Yeah. Just a freak accident that could happen to anybody. Tears his knee apart. Has to get knee surgery. Misses the title fight. Al Iaquinta steps in.

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Has a good fight with him. And Tony Ferguson, the one guy that we were always like, how would Tony do? Because in his prime... People forget, in his prime, that motherfucker was terrifying. He had a long-ass win streak and fucking everybody up. He was cutting people, strangling people. He was a beast, dude. Tony Ferguson was a fucking monster. But people forgot. They forgot.

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They only see Tony Ferguson now when he got knocked out by Chandler. They see Tony Ferguson now when Patti Pimblitt beats him. You don't understand. He's 40-whatever-he-is years old. He's natural. The body just can't do what the mind wants it to do anymore.

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I think these guys just like it. They want to fight and that's all they know. It's different in different people. Some people get out and they go, I think I did enough. I'm out. And they hold to it like Khabib or like Andre Ward. Andre Ward's another one. Goes out on top. Gold medalist in the Olympics. Two division world champions. That's it. I'm good.

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I think they offered him when Canelo fought Kovalev, when he knocked out Kovalev and won the light heavyweight title. They were saying maybe Andre Ward would come back and they were going to throw a lot of money at him. And I think he considered it, but I think he said I serve boxing better in the position that I am. So here's a guy.

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Olympic gold medalist, two-division world champion, speaks perfectly. Nothing wrong with him at all. Very religious man, never swears. I did a podcast with him. He got upset that I said the F word. He did. He called me afterwards like, I didn't know you were going to be swearing. Oh, wow. Because he would want people from his church to listen.

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So now he can't say, yeah, he's got to say, don't listen to that one. Oh, wow. Joe Rogan's got a potty mouth. Yeah. I thought he's a boxing champion. I was going to talk to him like a regular dude. But he's one of the wise ones that said, that's it. Everybody else comes back, man. Marvin Hagler, he was another one. Never came back. So that's it.

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It's a crazy story. But him and Canelo would have been crazy. That would have been crazy. Yeah. I would have loved to see that fight. I want to see Canelo and Benavidez. Like, come on, Saudi Arabia. Throw that money. Throw that money. Let's see that fight. Because if Crawford, if they're not going to have him fight Crawford, which I did want to see. I did want to see. Even though I know it's crazy.

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The Kobe fight I thought was going to be different. I think Kobe broke his foot real early in that fight. Yeah.

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It's a giant weight jump. Yeah. But Benavidez is not a weight jump. That's the right weight. And that guy's a killer.

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It makes the most sense.

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And Canelo's like, give me $200 million.

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I hope that Benavidez and him do fight. And I hope it's at 168 because I think that's like Benavidez's best division. I mean, he only fought. He fought that last fight at 75 against a good guy. And he won the fight. But he didn't look like the same guy that he looks like at 68. I don't think that power carries quite as much with those bigger guys. It's a little bit of a step.

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It makes a difference. But for Crawford, I think he just wants the big money fight. Like, what is the big money fight? Canelo's the big money fight. You know, Crawford is one of the best ever. He's 36. He's like, maybe this is, you know, let me get one big money fight and get the fuck out of here.

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But he's got Boots Ennis, you know, knock on his door, too, which is another amazing fight, but super dangerous. You know, like, just like Benavidez is dangerous, Boots Ennis is very fucking dangerous.

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I think when they get to a certain level and they realize they only have a few fights left, they want the big money fights. And Canelo is obviously the biggest money fight. Even though Boots Ennis is a great fighter, most people don't know who he is yet. Yeah. And with Canelo, everybody knows who Canelo is. You get the Canelo fight, that's red panties night. Yeah. You're in. Let's go.

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It's a great thing if Jon can beat him on his resume. It's one more notch that Jon beat the most accomplished heavyweight of all time. But here's the thing. Everybody's sleeping on Stipe. Here's the thing about heavyweights. Heavyweights mature later, and they get, they get compromised later, too. George Foreman won the heavyweight title at 45 years old. And that was in the natural days.

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I think there's maybe not natural. I mean, I don't know what George is doing, but I was thinking of Vander Holyfield.

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But my point is that like heavyweight fighters, I think because there's not as much movement. It's a different thing. The body matures. It takes longer. They're just bigger human beings. I could see a guy that's in his 40s still fighting elite. And we haven't seen Stipe since he got knocked out. So we saw that fight against Francis where Francis just looked unstoppable.

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Francis knocks him out, and we haven't seen Stipe in years now. When was the last time Stipe fought? I remember it was at the Apex, and it was in the middle of the pandemic because there was no crowd.

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Which was crazy to see a heavyweight title fight with no crowd. Yeah. It was nuts.

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Wild. Everybody's wearing a mask, hanging over their nose. It's all so stupid.

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And we're getting real close to 2025.

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So 2025, if this fight happens in November, 2025 is just a fucking month away. That's a long-ass time. But it's also a long-ass time with no head injuries. It's a long-ass time without getting two or three fights, a serial gun fight, another fight, this fight, that fight. It's a long time without getting beat up.

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And, you know, he's had time to rest. Like, let the chin recover. Because that's a, you know, I think Daniel Cormier landed the picture-perfect right hand when he knocked out Stipe. But I also think Stipe was probably beaten up from that Francis fight. That Francis fight was not much. I mean, I don't remember how many months.

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How many months was there between Francis, Stipe fighting Francis and then Stipe fighting DC? Seven. Seven months? That's not enough time.

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A year before the previous fight.

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Yeah. The year before, that's a different thing. It's the Francis fight was the damage. Francis was... In the first round in particular, he landed some big shots. He was fucking scary as shit, dude. So I think him coming in and fighting Daniel... I gotta imagine...

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He took some heavy blows in that fight and you know, like even if he didn't lose He had to have gotten some damage like he may have been concussed like he got hit.

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Yeah hard in that fight and then Do you go right back in a train really? No, you should take a long-ass time with no contact at all and let everything heal up And he probably didn't get a chance to do that. I mean, I think that's also Volkanovski after Islam. Oh, I

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Huge mistake. Two mistakes. One, you don't fight Islam on 10 days notice. You just can't. That just doesn't make any sense. That's crazy. He's so hard to beat. He's so good. If he's not the best, it's you and him for the best, pound for pound. And you're going to risk that on 10 days? That's crazy. And that, again, changes the course of his career, right? That's wild, right?

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If he's telling the truth, though, I think the foot had a big factor because I think he broke his foot. I think Leon checked the kick real early on or he kicked low and hit the shin and broke his foot, hit the knee, something. I don't remember exactly what happened, but apparently in the first round he broke his foot. If you can't move against Leon, you're in real trouble.

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Imagine if he doesn't take that fight. He says, I can't. I'm ready for Ilya Toporia. That guy's coming. And he knows how fucking dangerous Ilya is. And so he doesn't take that fight, and then he goes in fresh against Ilya, and you have a much better fight.

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Who knows who would have won, but you got to think he was compromised from that. I mean, he got head kicked. Yeah. Head kicked. Shin to the dome, which is just for sure it's going to rattle you for a long time.

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Islam looked like Michelangelo sculpted him. He's so big.

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What does he weigh? What does he weigh like normal? Like right now, if you called him up.

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What would he say?

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So he's losing roughly 30 pounds to make 55?

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He's big. That's about as big as you can get and keep doing that. That's big.

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Yeah, easily. He's got real power now on his feet, which is a new addition over the last X amount of years. His stand-up has gotten elite. Like, he knocked down Oliveira. He had Oliveira in real trouble. The Volkanovski head kick, though, and it was also the way he set it up. He kept kicking to the body. Oh, my God.

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He can do everything. He's as good as it gets. He's the most complete fighter on the roster because he submits people. He submitted Poirier in the final round. Incredible, incredible submission. But he was winning that fight already.

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But then, you know, he can also knock you out. He literally does everything. He's one of the best wrestlers in the sport. His top control and his squeeze is insane.

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Remember when he tapped out Drew Dober? He got a hold of Drew Dober. It's like Drew Dober had zero chance of moving. He wasn't going anywhere. He was just crushed. It was like he was fighting a man twice his size.

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And tapped him out to the point where you're like, please tap, please tap. Fucking tap. Dude, just tap. Don't let him do it.

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I remember Michael Johnson. Khabib got Michael Johnson in that Kimura. And I was like, Jesus, please tap, Michael. God. tap please just tap I was like squirming in my chair because I'm waiting to hear crack because I've seen it like the Noguera fight with Frank Mir remember that yeah you see his arms you hear the snap and you see him like look over at his arm and his arm's like halfway hanging oh

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That's such a scary break. Because this arm is never the same again. It's never the same again.

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No matter what. They're going to screw things in there and bolt things. All your muscles have been cut. All your nerves are fucked up. It's never going to be the same arm.

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Break my arm. Yeah, go ahead. Tim Sylvia. When Frank Mir broke his arm. Oh, here it is with no gear.

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You're going to make me. Look at this. And he looks down at his arm like, God damn, please, ladies and gentlemen, tap. Please tap. Sometimes you have to tap. I know, I know, but sometimes you got to tap for the future. Did you see that guy Mikey Musumechi fought in one FC and he destroyed his leg? Yeah. The guy wouldn't tap. This fucking guy's an animal. He would not tap.

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And I was tapping at home. I couldn't believe it. He broke his leg like three times. He just kept breaking his knee left and right and ripping it apart. I'm watching his knee. I'm like, that's destroyed. There's your LCL. Look at this. This is so horrible. Oh, my God. Like right now, his leg is destroyed. His leg right now is fully destroyed. It's totally twisted. All his ligaments are fucked.

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He couldn't walk after this fight. I mean, look at his heel is totally the wrong way. His knee is twisted completely around. That is horrible. Oh, he's going that way with it. Oh, my God. The dude never tapped. The dude got his leg destroyed and never fucking tapped. But he's probably never going to be the same again. Mikey has to have some craziness inside of him just to keep going, though.

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Oh, he's an evil little man.

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He's an evil little man. He's a really, really, really nice guy, but he's also got a switch. There's a switch, and he gets into that octagon, and what's that? Why'd you do that to me? That's what Mikey said to him. He felt bad that the guy wouldn't tap. It was a crazy demonstration, but that poor guy. I mean, I got to think, what kind of surgery?

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Find out what kind of surgery that guy had to have after that fight.

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Well, I came up before leg locks, so I didn't learn leg locks until late in my jiu-jitsu journey. I was already a black belt before leg locks became the big thing. We already knew about them. I'd seen Dean Lister use them. When Eddie went to Abu Dhabi, I went down there with him, and Dean Lister was tapping people. Dean Lister was the first guy to really fuck a lot of guys up with leg locks.

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And a few of those Luta Livre guys were really good at leg locks. They would do them, but Leg locks and jiu-jitsu tournaments were booed.

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Yeah, man, because they ruined people's knees and no one really knew how to defend them. Torn ACL, torn MCL, torn meniscus, and a broken ankle. My God. That's wild. He tore everything. Mikey said, I'm sick to my stomach. I never felt someone's leg explode like that in a match. I've been training for 22 years. I never broke someone's leg that much. I broke a lot of legs, but that leg exploded.

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I didn't know what to do, and it was just disgusting and gross. I really wish he tapped. The result didn't change. Now he's in the hospital, so I don't know. But what a warrior he is for showing his will. That's why you got to choke people. You got to choke people. Some people just, they don't want to tap and they just go to sleep and that's okay. That's Marcelo Garcia's route.

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Marcelo Garcia never used Kimuras because Marcelo Garcia, although of course you could do a Kimura, he never used Kimura because he felt like Kimuras were like a strong man's move because you have to kind of yank it and you're resisting the arm. It's not perfect technique. So Marcelo was all about grabbing your neck. He had the nastiest guillotines. Did you ever watch Marcelo fight? Yeah.

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Oh, my God, dude. I was there live when he fought Shaolin in Abu Dhabi. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It was like, what was that dude, the Tasmanian Devil from the cartoons? That was like, just spinning around him, getting his back, and put him to sleep.

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Oh, my God. And nobody knew who Marcelo was. That was what was crazy. A lot of people respected him. Everybody knew he was a black belt. Fabio Gurgel lineage, solid lineage. Everybody knew he was good, but God. Damn.

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Oh, yeah. Rutolo and who was the other caddy fighter? I forgot, but that was crazy. I think they said it's on YouTube as the greatest grappling match of all time. Yeah, that was a wild one. The Rutolo brothers are so good, man. They're so good. And again, look, 20 years old, 19 years old, just coming up. The young ones, man. Young and explosive and wild. They do all kinds of crazy techniques.

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They catch Darces from everywhere. And I like the ring they did. Andrew Tackett, who's also a killer. So it was an incredible match. And these guys just went at it. I don't like that ring. It's fun. It's like something different. I don't like it. I don't like it because it's another obstacle. I think they had it right before when there was no obstacles. Like, this is an obstacle, right?

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This keeps you from being able to get upright. It's a thing that you have to think about. This is why, like, I've said this before. I apologize for everybody who's heard it. I think fighting should take place with no cage. It would be easier to see, and I think it should be on a basketball court, and you fight in the center.

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If you can have basketball in the same arenas where we have UFCs, you take an enormous space, you mat it up, you put security around it so nobody can get in, you put ropes up, and guys step in and they fight right in front of everybody.

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No, I think you should have time limits. I think you should even have rounds. But if I was running things, this is what I'd do. Number one, first thing I'd do, cover the fingertips. Why are the fingertips open? They don't have to be open. All you need is the same UFC gloves right now and extend the leather like a mitten over the tips of the front fingers and pull it back in there.

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I think it would help grappling. I don't think it would hurt grappling. So I don't think grapplers would have a problem with it. It would have no difference at all on your striking. you would just pull it like a bag glove. You know like those old Everlast bag gloves? Yeah. But not even as thick. Just have it. So now you have one piece. So you don't have nothing that can go in your eyeball.

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Like we've seen fingers go in eyeballs before. So that would be eliminated. You'd still have some abrasions of the eye. You could still run into fingers like that. It would suck. It would suck less though.

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It would suck less. So that would be my first thing I would do. Second thing I would do, nobody gets stood up ever for any reason, unless someone gets injured or some foul or something happens wrong, somebody bites somebody, some crazy shit, then stand people up. And then I think you put them right back down to the position after you take the point away or whatever you're going to do.

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But once a guy gets you down, it's your job to get back up. And at the end of the round, if you're on your back and he's mounted you, you start the next round with him mounted you. You put the arm in the exact same place. He had an overhook on the right arm and he's on top and he's got his hand on your bicep. Okay, this is how the round ended. This is how we start.

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Because even if it was just a kickboxing match, there was so much pressure and so much volume of strikes. You were constantly on him. Your boxing was so on point, man. It looked better than it's ever looked.

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And everybody looks at the screen and everybody looks at the guys and they go, three, two, one, fight.

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That would be real.

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Because it's not five fights. It's one fight. It's one fight that's five rounds. Why should it start on your feet every round? That's crazy. Why? Because that's how it is in boxing? They come out of their corner? Who fucking cares? That's stupid. Yeah. You got to get better the same way you got sick. You got taken down, you got to get up. Somebody got you down, you got to get up.

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Because if you don't get up, then he's winning. He's figured out a way to hold you down. You don't want to be held down. He's holding you down. So he's winning. Even if he's not doing any damage, he's winning. He's holding you down. Everybody, boo, boo. So what? So it'll affect your ticket sales. So you'll get less money for pay-per-views. So what? But this is what real fighting is. That's real.

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That's the most pure version of the sport that we could offer. Giant matted down space. You make it so that you have security around it so no fucking psychos can rush. You know, you put ropes up so people can't pass it. Everybody's going to have a clear line of sight. No cages in the way. You still have the big monitors and everything like that.

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They fight in an enormous space and you have a danger zone. You got an outside danger zone. And if you keep going into that fucking danger zone, they take a point away. If you get kicked in the nuts, take a point away. You get poked in the eye, take a point away. Well, grab the fence, I think. Take a point away, too. But let's have no fence. Yeah. No fence.

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So there's no way to take someone down except taking them down. You've got to actually take them down. You can't get them up against the cage and trip them because their back isn't getting... No, no, no. You have to take them down. On a flat ground with no help. And he's got to get up without the cage. He can't wall walk up to the cage and press his back up and use the leverage. Uh-uh. Get up.

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You're in the middle of the fucking matted area. Get up.

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Great for them, too. Bad for them if they get taken down, though. Real bad. Real bad. Because now you have to actually be able to get up. And you're stuck there. And imagine getting up with Khabib on top of you. Has anybody ever gotten up? Dude, that guy gets on top of you. You're fucked.

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But that mentality is why that camp produces so many assassins. I was very impressed with Umar. Very impressed. Very impressed. Because I always knew he was an elite kicker. He's an elite striker, too. But to see him fight a guy like Sanhagen, who's so complex, he does so many things well. And to see him dominate that fight, I was like, wow, that's really impressive. That's really impressive.

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Yo, I butchered his name one time. So bad.

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It couldn't get out of my mouth. Like, I don't know what it is. Like, sometimes my mouth just don't work right. And that's fine if you're doing a podcast. You can just say it again.

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But if you're, like, saying it, guys, I was like... Fuck. Like, what did I say? I felt so bad because I really love the guy. I think he's awesome. And especially after the San Hagen fight, I think he's the most compelling contender in that division after Merab.

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So after Merab, I think he's got to get that shot. Whoever wins and him against either one of those guys is sensational. That's a sensational fight. That's like elite top. That's like as good as we have to offer today in terms of martial arts talent.

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Yeah, he's super elite. You know, I think about Sanhagen. One thing I think about is – Here's a bummer. T.J. Dillshaw. Like, T.J. Dillshaw, let's imagine T.J. Dillshaw didn't blow out his shoulders. Because T.J. Dillshaw beat Sanhagen with one leg. Yeah. Which is crazy. And he beat Sanhagen, Sanhagen. Sanhagen that had fucked up Marlon Marais. Sanhagen, Sanhagen. Like, the Sanhagen of today.

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You know, that guy is fucking top of the food chain. He's very good. And TJ beat him with one leg and a fucked up shoulder. His shoulder wasn't good back then either. Yeah. It was fucked up. But he figured out a way to win. It wasn't the most exciting fight, but how could it be? He had one ACL. He blew his fucking knee apart. But he still beat him. That guy's had so many fucking injuries.

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If you imagine TJ Dillashaw not having all those injuries and someone talking him out of going down to 25...

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You see how big he is right now? Bro, he's huge. He's like 180 pounds. It's wild. I'm like, that's what I want to be. I wish I was tighter with him because I would have said, do not fucking do it. Look at him now. He's huge. Oh my God. Yeah. His piss would melt that US Donna cup.

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But you got to think, man, how good Cody Nolove was when he beat him, you know, when he stopped him. Dude, TJ Dillashaw was a bad man. Hennon Barau was the pound for pound considerate of number one fighter in the world when he was the Bantamweight champion. A lot of people, he was in consideration. And TJ just pieced him up, and he did it like he was sparring. He was all loose and relaxed.

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Dwayne Ludwig, I don't know if you ever trained with Dwayne.

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He's got an incredible system. That bang muay thai system is one of the most complex and well-thought-out striking systems I've ever seen. He's a maniac. He's got notebooks, like binders, with all these moves locked in. If you watch Dwayne fight, though, it's so crazy because he didn't fight that way. Yeah.

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Dwayne thought he had kind of traditional, like a lot of Muay Thai, a lot of Dutch kickboxing style, nasty striker. But he didn't switch stances all the time and do like TJ. But he figured that out. He figured out that this is the way.

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The constant switching and striking from each stance and the constant footwork and movement and all these patterns that they would get guys to lead into certain positions and do it. It wasn't just like smashing buttons like Stylebender likes to talk about. Dwayne's thought about it as like a real comprehensive striking program. TJ was his best pupil.

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And TJ, when he fought Hannon Burrell, was showing that style in its world-class form. But people forget. People forget how good TJ Dillashaw was. They forget. He has that fight with Cejudo. He tests positive for EPO because he's... literally dying to make 125. He looked like an Auschwitz concentration camp survivor. He did.

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He looked like they just opened the doors and let him out of the concentration camp. He had no skin on his face. His face was just, it was just bones. He looked terrible. And TJ is a big guy for 35. He's big. He's a good, solid, perfect 35-pound frame. And somehow or another, someone talked him into it or he wanted to do it for the challenge.

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chasing that greatness yeah fuck that man fuck that kind of cut yeah cuz he had to be starving to death in camp so he must have been like doing his camp while he was starving literally starting to death like your organs are shutting down your brains not working anymore

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It does change your whole career. And, you know, there's guys that have accused him of doing stuff other than that. And I don't know who's telling. That's what he looked like. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. That is so crazy. I wish I was his friend. I wish I was tight with him back then. I wish he would have listened to someone who said, just don't do that, man. Don't fucking do that.

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You could be one of the all-time greats at 35 and stay there. But you also got to think, how many of his injuries got amplified because of that weight cut? How much body deterioration was he going through and then also going through camp? So he's pushing hard, he's wrestling, he's hitting the mitts, he's sparring, all this while his body's deteriorating.

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So all his mass is down, all the muscle that's protecting his shoulders, which are, you know, his supraspinatus has been missing forever. His supraspinatus has been ripped off the bone from like the beginning of his career.

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Changes your life. Yeah, and you don't grow up right. It's like you're being poisoned from the time you're a kid. Your body doesn't develop right. Who knows what could do to the future of your life? It might have taken a decade or two off of his life.

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I'm sure. I'm sure. Well, how much do you have to cut?

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And is he calculating the calories for each meal and how it's set up? That's where it gets fascinating, right? When they calculate the calories for each meal and they give you the exact right amount.

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Oh, my God. Patty celebrates his eating disorder. That motherfucker gained 40 pounds after his last fight. And that's gonna literally kill him, I feel like. It's wild. It's not good. Well, he's so good, though, man. I'm so impressed with him. Like, he keeps getting better. I thought Jared Gordon beat him. And I thought that fight, to me, that was another one of those fights.

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If Jared Gordon wins, then all of a sudden Jared Gordon's got another big fight, another big fight. He had two blunders in a row. You know, not his fault. The other one was the headbutt with Bobby. Yeah. But the Paddy one was a big one, man, because the Paddy one, he was fucking winning that fight, man. I felt that he was landing the big shots. That counter left hook was sweet. He looked good.

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How much time did you have to prepare for Leon? I had about eight weeks. Did you kind of have an inkling that it was going to happen before that? Had you been preparing mentally before that?

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I thought he won the fight. I thought it was a good fight, but I thought he won the fight. And then Paddy fights Bobby Green, and he looks like a world beater. He looks like a world beater. The strategy was perfect. Stay on the outside. Fuck his legs up. And then you realize how big Paddy is, too. Paddy's a big 50-fiver because Bobby's big.

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Excuse me, King. He's King now. That's wild. Change his name to King. I love that dude. Change his name to King. So King is, you know, he's a tall dude too for the division. Yeah. But you realize how big Patty is. And people think of Patty only as a grappler, but his kicks were on point, man. His kicks were on point.

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I think his legs were getting fucked up.

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Here it is. Yeah, I think he was seeing where this was going. Look how big he looks, man. You realize, like, damn, he's a big 55er. And he caught him with that inside low kick. I mean, it might have been just instinct where Bobby just felt like he had to catch it. Excuse me, King felt like he had to catch that kick because it was available. But it was a trap.

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Yeah, he's a star.

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He's a scouser. He's just fun. He looks like he's having a good old time when he's out there. And he can back it up. So that fight was big for him because that fight moves him into elite status, right? He goes from Jared Gordon and now, you know, a couple other fights. Now, bam, Bobby Green, bam, someone's going to be a big name. Someone next is going to be a big name.

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So he's thinking right now about Islam. He's thinking about those guys at the top of the heap.

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Don't you think, considering the amount of growth that we've already seen from him, though, like if you were in his corner, wouldn't you say, couple more would be good? Couple more, couple more, don't rush.

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Right, right. It's a good question. Good question. You know, because Gamrot was an interesting one. We were looking forward to that versus Islam. Like, that could be interesting because he's such a good grappler. But when, you know, people forget about Dan Hooker. They forgot about him, too.

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He's a dog. Dan Hooker went blow for blow with Dustin Poirier. That was as close a fight as you're going to get. And again, another change of the career, right? Dustin moves on from that, gets the corner fights. Dustin becomes the man. Yeah, people forget about that fight. That was a fucking very close fight. A very good fight.

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And there were some moments where Dan Hooker was tuning Dustin Poirier up. There's a video compilation online of Hooker having Poirier against the ropes. Rap, rap. He's ripping shots before the end of the round. He's a bad motherfucker. He's the only guy that fought with a broken arm. He got his arm broken.

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Didn't say a goddamn word about it. Wins the fight. And they're like, what happened to your arm? It's just a scratch.

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Well, he also loves, he had that devastating knockout loss to Chandler, right? Chandler comes out, catches him with that leaping hook, and drops him, and just puts it on him, and fuck. This is a big, high-profile fight, and he got caught. And anybody can get caught. That's what's crazy about the sport. That's why it's so exciting. Anybody can get caught. But it's like, how can you bounce back?

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Can you bounce back and be the same guy after you got caught?

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Yep, exactly. And so many fighters, they're so tough. They feel fine. Their mind is, you know, their determination is strong. Like, I want to get back in there. Like, that was the case with Jamal Hill. He was going to get right back in after the Pajero fight, and he was going to fight Roundtree. Right. Which is, whew, that's a bad fight if you just got knocked out just a few months ago.

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That's a scary dude.

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No fucking way. Don't do that. You do all that shit when it's over. Because I remember Cub Swanson did a jiu-jitsu tournament and tore his ACL. Yeah, once you tear some shit doing something stupid and you miss a title shot, you're never going to forgive yourself. Yeah. Kalil's like 35. He's up in that age range, too, where it's like, now's the time, man.

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So it was perfect timing. And a lot of people are like, Uncle Ive should have got the title shot. But the problem is they already set up that fight with Rakic, which doesn't really totally make sense, right? Yeah. Right? Has Rakic fought since Yuri beat him up?

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Okay, so that kind of doesn't make sense a little bit. Yeah. It'd make more sense if Jamal fought Rakic, right? But Jamal wants something a little more high profile. I understand that, but... Uncle I have man. No one's beaten him Uncle I have had that one draw with Jan Boho vich and no one's beaten him Yeah, there's another guy everybody forgets about Jan Boho vich.

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What the fuck that guy almost be Peter He was right that was such a close fight super close. Yeah down with the wire. I was like yeah We already saw that like What? What? You've got to give Jan his deal. He was a light heavyweight champion of the fucking world and a destroyer. But for whatever reason, I think they look at that number. They say, oh, he's 40 years old.

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He's 41 years old, whatever he is now. So what? So what? He still fucked up Dominic Reyes. He still fucks up everybody. Jan Bohovic is a murderer. Yeah. He's a scary dude, man. That's a good fight. And he's Polish, bro. They don't age. He's a killer. That dude's made out of rocks. I remember when Ankalayev and him were going leg kick to leg kick. He was kicking his shins at fucking Ankalayev.

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I have his legs up.

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He was just saying, feel Polish bone density. Slamming, slamming those fucking shins into the shins.

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This is the only loss. Against Paul Craig, his first fight in the UFC.

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Oh, yeah, Uncle Ive got caught in a triangle.

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That's right. Last second of the third fight. Yeah, last second of the fight.

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Oh, my God. Paul Craig has the nastiest triangle in the division, for sure. One of the nastiest triangles in the sport. Look at this. Look how quick he snatches that shit up. Boom, snap, and too late. So here we got, I think there was like five seconds to go when he locks this up. Unbelievable, man. That is wild. So Uncle Ives had this long-ass win streak. He looked real good in his last fight.

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And then they give him a guy who... So he beat Johnny Walker twice. One of them with Johnny Walker, it was like a... It was the desert. What happened?

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Oh, that's right. And he got mad. Like, why are you stopping it? Yeah. That's right. That's right. But so he has the draw with Jan Blachowicz. He KOs Anthony Smith, beats Tiago Sanchez, beats Volkan, beats all these guys. I mean, he's beaten a lot of guys. I mean, he's got a really good skill set where you think about with a guy like Pejeta because he can wrestle. He can strike and he can wrestle.

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Yeah. So I guess for him, he fights Rockage. I favor him in that fight. But Rockage is fucking dangerous as shit, man. You know, Rockage has had a long time off of the Prohaska fight. And Rockage looked real good in that fight. He was eating Yuri up. But Yuri was just walking through everything.

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It just doesn't work with Poiton.

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You can't, you can't be getting hit by that guy.

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He's targeting it too. He doesn't ever go shin to shin. And even when he checks, he doesn't go shin to shin. He lifts his leg up like he's playing hacky sack.

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He just lifts his leg up. He just goes ankle. He just lifts his ankle. So his foot comes all the way up to his other knee and then he drops it back down and he comes in with a right hand. He's got it down where if you try to ankle kick him, he's got so many counters for that calf kick.

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He'll fight anybody.

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Yeah, he's fighting in Salt Lake City against Roundtree. And that's a wild-ass fight, man. That's a wild fight. A lot of people say, oh, Roundtree doesn't deserve it. Let me tell you something. Roundtree fights like you just killed his family and lit his house on fire. That dude's coming for you.

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He's coming for everybody.

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He's not going to shoot a takedown. There'll be no takedowns. He's fucking dangerous, man. But if you think about the—Pajero's striking—his overall accomplishments are second to none in MMA. Two-division glory world champion. I mean— And the thing about him is that that fucking power is just freakish.

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You see him hit the power cube, and he got 191 on the power cube with a right hand. And that's not even his left hook. Like, hit it. He probably doesn't want anybody to know. Like, hit it with the left hook. That's the sleeper.

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It's crazy. He just touches people.

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Even when he wins, he's never like, yeah! And so he's like, yep.

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Yep, another day. Another day, another dude I put to sleep. Like even after he beat Izzy, he just walked away from him. The referee stopped the fight and he just walked away. But there's something exciting about that, too. Like, that guy's one of the biggest pay-per-view stars in the country, in the world, and most people don't even understand what he's saying. And he's a star, right?

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Did you ask? Like, why didn't I get the fight at 300? If they were trying to get Leon to fight at 300, why didn't you get that title shot?

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He's a huge star. All he has to do is make facial expressions. But also, it's scary. When he comes out with the bow and arrow, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. If you're sitting there watching that guy walk through the cage, you're like, oh, shit.

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Yeah, you've got to be yourself. That's either you or that's not you.

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That face, dude. And the music. That is the most terrifying face. Him walking towards the cage and you're standing there. You've been prepping for this dude for 12 weeks. And you're like, oh, Jesus. Here it comes.

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Well, there was a weird moment in that fight, and we've talked about it before, where Jamal accidentally low kicked him, and the referee moves him to stop, and Jamal stands up straight and relaxes like, you okay? Yeah. When Poiton puts his hand on Herb Dean, he advances. He makes a little hop step, and then he goes right back to fighting, and he catches him with the left hook.

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So he closed some distance.

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Oh, especially with that guy. Yeah, especially with that guy.

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Yeah, everything changes. But that's moments and fights, you know, and maybe that will define Jamal's career. Maybe Jamal will learn from that and never take his eye off the prize again. Yeah. Never relax. And I guarantee you he won't relax now. Yeah. Protect yourself at all times. And I guess... You know, I see it from Perreira's point of view, too.

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The referee said, okay, keep going, and he caught him, but he did close that distance because of that low kick. So it is a moment.

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You can never relax because it's such a game of impossible things happening at any moment. Because so many guys have pulled out impossible things. Head kicks, spinning elbows out of nowhere. You know, things happen. And if you're relaxed even for a second.

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Oh, my God.

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With like two seconds left. Yeah, crazy. And you're like, how? How did this just happen right now? When Yair landed that jumping roundhouse kick on Andre Feely. Oh. Ooh, the scissor kick. Oh, wow.

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Yeah. It's so interesting to see all these different ways to get elite. There's so many different ways. Some guys are specialists like Pejeta, and some guys just dominate all aspects like Islam. There's all these different ways that guys achieve to becoming the best.

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Yeah. That's crazy.

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That's way behind the curve.

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Way behind.

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At least you had that.

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That's definitely something. Oh, no. I mean, for me, it changed my life. Also, when you're in high school, because you're in high school, your body's developing.

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You know, your body's developing where you learn how to take people down. Like, yeah, that helps for sure. But if nothing, by 23 is crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

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No striking at all? Nothing?

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And Abus Magomedov. Abus had a great first round with Sean Strickland. A great first round. But that was like, Sean Strickland is just a zombie. He just marches towards you and you can't hit him. He's hard to hit. But he was fucking his legs up. I was hoping Abus would knock him out. I was like, come on, Abus, please. Bro, he was putting it on him in that first round, but he started getting tired.

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By the end of the first round, he was tired.

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Yeah. Everything was full clip, too. Full speed, full clip. And I was like... Because even at PFL, the way he was killing everybody, he was like... So he was 41 in this fight? Yeah. That's so crazy. So this is the PFL Championships in 2018?

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Yeah. The rules are the rules. You know, a guy makes it to the top of the heap, he's supposed to be next in line for a title shot.

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How is that possible?

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Can I talk to somebody over there? Abus. See, there's a low kick. His low kicks are nasty. He just, for whatever reason, Abus has a hard time sustaining it. I mean, I think he's getting better in the UFC. And I think the Sean Strickland fight was just too quick. Oh, left hook. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Back that up again. Look at this. They go shin to shin. Boom. Oh, my God.

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The distance he covered with that left hook.

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There's another thing about guys who are really good at shooting. That same ability to cover distance when you make a double leg is the same kind of drive that you need to move forward to punch. That's one of the reasons why Randleman was so dangerous. Yeah. You know, because Randleman had that crazy shot. So he could explode forward and punch you from a distance. You really can't punch him.

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That's incredible. Look how much distance he covers. Jamie just broke it down. Look at this. Yeah, he hopped in there. Go back a little bit further, please. Just a little bit further before he throws the punch. He's way back there, dude. Watch this. Look how far away he is. Oh, my goodness. Abus made a mistake that he tried to counter.

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All the purists felt that way. I didn't see anybody who's like a real solid MMA fan who felt that was a lot of the casuals. A lot of the casuals jumping in with their goofy opinions on things.

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He was thinking about countering before the punch got to him, and he just wasn't quick enough. That's incredible. Good for him, man. Good for him. And that guy's legit, man. To knock out a guy like that, Abus is legit. Yeah.

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And there's some dudes that can compete at a world-class level deep into their 40s. And I always point to Bernard Hopkins. Everybody wrote Bernard Hopkins off before he fought Kelly Pavlik. And he beat the shit out of Kelly Pavlik. And he just boxed him. He just did everything perfect. It was a master class in boxing.

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A master class in world championship caliber boxing against a guy in Kelly Pavlik, which was... Fucking dangerous, man. Wicked puncher, tough as shit. That Jermaine Taylor fight was crazy. He was out in that fight and came back to stop Taylor. Just a warrior, a real dog. So Bernard was like, how old was Bernard when he fought Kelly Pavlik? When he fought Felix Trinidad, everybody wrote him off.

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He was like 36 or something by the time he fought Trinidad.

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Yeah, man. Everybody wrote him off. Wow. Bernard was wild, too. He threw the Puerto Rican flag down on the ground in Puerto Rico. He had to run. People were chasing him. He ran? He had to run. They were trying to kill him. Yeah, you can't do that. Yeah, he told me the whole story. It was hilarious. Yeah, he's a, I mean, but how old was Bernard? 43 years old when he fought Kelly Pavlik.

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Come on, son. 43 years old. That's so crazy. He beat Roy Jones Jr.

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Unbelievable. Unbelievable. The Chad Dawson fight, bro. He was 46 years old and Chad Dawson was a killer. Chad Dawson was a vicious knockout artist. And he knocked him out in the second round. And then he lost against him in the next fight. That's how good Chad was. Chad was a fucking good fighter. Then he lost to Kovalev. And he lost to Joe Smith Jr., which was a bad one. Wow.

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But he was 51 years old when he fought Joe Smith. And Joe Smith is another one who's a fucking killer, man. He's a dangerous puncher. Joe Smith is a mauler. Dangerous guy.

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That's wild.

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What do you think of Tyson and Jake? I wish he didn't do it. I wish it wasn't a thing. I wish it wasn't a thing where a 58-year-old guy was going to fight a 28-year-old. That said, that out the window, I fully support his desire to do it. What, is he going to live forever? He's not going to live forever. Maybe he wants one more shot at it. Maybe his body can do one more fight. I don't know.

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Well, not only that, you have a – look, the reality of the numbers is – I had a joke in my act that 90% of all Twitter is done by 10% of the people, and those people are 100% retarded. It really almost is that. I mean, it's a joke, but it's kind of almost true because – Are you commenting on shit all the time? Do you go to someone's YouTube videos and talk shit?

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He looks great on the mitts, but that doesn't mean that you know as much as I know. I can look good on the mitts.

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Especially if you're watching 30-second clips. What you want to see is him sparring. You want to see him hitting the bag for multiple rounds. You'd want to see, like, let's see three rounds hard on the bag. I'm going to see what you could do. I want to see how your feet move. I want to see what it looks like if you're off balance when you throw in combinations. Dude, you look like Tyson.

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Remember there's some videos of Tyson hitting the bag when he was, like, 19 years old? It's crazy. Watch the speed and the power. See if you can find that. Mike Tyson hitting the heavy bag when he's young. Terrifying. Terrifying. That, to me, a bag is different than mitts. Mitts guys are meeting you halfway. You've got a combination worked out.

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Okay, I want you to go left, right, left of the body, right overhand. Pow, pow, pow, pow. Okay, do it again pop pop pop. It kind of can look real good. Yeah, but can you do that with a guy who's moving? Can you do can you spar like if would they bring in a world-class heavyweight? Can you do that? Like what? How do you move? How are your knees? How's your back?

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Like are you can you can sustain that? Can you sustain those kind of explosions or is this just a gimmick? You know, I mean, I don't know I know he used to be able to but we won't really know so here's it when he's young Michael Tyson Yeah, kill the sound. You don't have to see the sound. Just look at this. And he's young here, man. Young. So that's him hitting the bag later in life.

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I would want to see rounds, you know? I want to see rounds. I want to see what it looks like when he's tired. How quick does he get tired? I want to see him sparring. I wonder if he's going to spar. Look at that when he's young, man. Dude, terrifying. Those combinations. Show that again. Bro, he was so fast. So fast and always moving. Always moving. Bobbing and weaving.

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He was a target that you couldn't find. Just moving at you. Constantly advancing. Just a mindset. Just craziness. Madness. Just controlled madness in there. With perfect technique and ferocious power and awesome genetics. You know, they said that Teddy Atlas told me that when he was 13 years old, he would bring him to smokers and they would go, how old is that kid? He's 13. He's 16.

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That's wild. What? Yeah. That's God. He got a gift.

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What the fuck?

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That's a man. I'm going to pull a guard. I said, box it. Fuck this. Yeah, and he scared a lot of guys before they even threw their first punch. You'd see the look. I remember Bruce Seldon. He missed a left hook of Bruce Seldon, and Bruce Seldon went down. He's like, fuck. Fuck all this. Fuck all this. Fuck all this.

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Yeah, but he's 58, you know? I support him. I love that guy. I fully support. I'm a gigantic fan of his. Me meeting him the first time I met him at the UFC, there's some starstruck moments where you meet people, you're like, oh, shit. That's Sugar Ray Leonard. Oh, shit, that's Mike Tyson. I was one of the most starstruck moments I ever had. Really? Couldn't believe I was meeting Mike Tyson.

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It's wild, yeah. I did a podcast with him. I was like, I can't believe I'm talking to Mike Tyson. He was such a huge part of my childhood. When I was a kid was when he was coming up. I have in my office framed the cover of Sports Illustrated when he was 19. Wow, really? Yeah, it says Kid Dynamite. See if you can find that.

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You're busy. You're busy being the fucking welterweight champion of the world. You ain't got no time for that. So the people that have time to be doing that all the time are, unfortunately, generally not doing that good. Michael Jordan's not leaving YouTube comments. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

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Oh, no, no, no. Someone gave it to me recently. It might have been Sports Illustrated sent it to me. I don't know who sent it to me. Do you know who sent it? Somebody sent it to me. Thank you, whoever did it. I forgot. I'm sorry. But that's the cover. That's framed in my office.

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Okay. So that was right before he won the title. He won the title when he was 20. So I was just out of high school, and he was the guy. Heavyweight boxing had gotten boring. Nobody cared. After Larry Holmes, people were bored with heavyweight boxing. There was a bunch of champions that nobody heard of. It was like they weren't really interested.

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No disrespect to any of those guys, but they didn't excite the public the way Muhammad Ali did, the way George Foreman did. Heavyweight boxing was kind of dead, and then all of a sudden this dude comes along. You're like, oh, my God. And he was doing everything you wanted a heavyweight to do, just starching people, just sending them flying. He'd hit them with left hooks. They'd go flying.

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You're like, look at this guy. He's going to become the youngest heavyweight champion of all time. And then he fights Trevor Burbick and knocks him out quick. How much were pay-per-views back then? Oh, my God. I don't remember. But I remember a lot of times people wouldn't want to buy Mike Tyson pay-per-views because they knew the fights would be over so quickly. It was nuts, man.

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So this is, is this a documentary? It's his kid Dynamite, 1985. Oh, so this is him in 1985. Yeah, this is him when people were just starting to hear about him. And he came through the ranks quick. Just was fucking everybody up. He was having a hard time getting fights. And everybody thought, this is the guy. This is the next destroyer. I mean, he was just killing people, man.

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Everybody he fought was getting fucked up. Oh, my God. Just that head movement on the inside is just wild. Everything. And the power. That's what you wanted to see from a heavyweight. So that guy is still alive. And he still remembers all these moments. It's not like he doesn't know how to put his knuckles on your face. The question is, how much does he have left in his body?

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58 today is not 58 when i was 21. it's a different 58 especially if they're not testing him okay if they're letting him take hormones and peptides and do all the things that i would recommend 100 i don't know how you could do it if you're 58 if you're not doing that if if he's if they're allowing him to do all that stuff and get his body to the optimum level that's known to science

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It's like the people that are engaged in these attacks on specific fighters in particular, they're usually just dorks. And I get it that these dorks buy pay-per-view, and I get it that these dorks... But they're not most people. Most people want to see the best people fight the best people. And would it be exciting to see Islam go up and try to win at 170? Fuck yeah, it would be.

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You're dealing with a different kind of human being. You're dealing with one of the greatest fighters that's ever lived. It's just how much does he want to do it? Is he doing it for money? How much does he have left in the tank? Those are all questions that will make me buy the pay-per-view.

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Yeah, that's right. It's free. Yeah, I'm going to watch it. 100% I'm going to watch it. I'm going to feel bad if he gets knocked out. Yeah.

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But, you know. Those are his most recent comments about the fight.

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Tyson addressed the meeting with his usual boldness during a press conference to show his readiness for battle. He said, I'm just ready. I'm ready. I'm going to talk my talk and do my shit, but I'm ready to fight.

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Is he really a young killer, Tyson said, discounting any questions on his readiness, reacting to Paul's taunting Tyson's need to postpone the fight because of an ulcer flare-up earlier in the summer. Former champion made a strong statement about his unmatched abilities. He said, I feel a lot better now. Who else can do it but me? Who else is going to fight to make this happen?

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You got a YouTuber fighting the greatest fighter that ever lived. Ooh. I want to hear him say that.

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We also have to remember about Mike Tyson is that Mike Tyson knows how to mentally prepare. He was trained by Customato, who was a hypnotist. And Customato started hypnotizing him when he was 13 years old. Really? Yeah. That was part of the reason why he was so terrifying. His mindset was just unstoppable. He really thought that he could not be stopped. He thought he was going to murder everybody.

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And Cuss was his hero. Cuss raised him. Cuss took him in when he was 13 years old. He had this terrible childhood. No love. Just...

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in and out of trouble, terrible, bad situation, horrible poverty and crime, and then all of a sudden he's being taken care of by this dude who's a master boxer, master boxing coach, he trained world champions like Jose Torres and Floyd Patterson, and now he's got this young pupil. This is his last hurrah and the greatest shot he's ever had at having a real all-time great.

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I mean, this guy's an all-time great and he's 13.

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He's a 13-year-old, 190-pound kid. Like, what in the fuck? And he's got this kid, and he's hypnotizing him. And he's telling him, you're the greatest. And he's getting it into his head. So from the time he was really young, he was learning mental preparation. He was learning how to put himself into a mindset of just an unstoppable juggernaut that had one goal, one task.

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And Cuss would tell him, you don't exist. Only the task exists. Like, you don't exist. What you have to do exists. That's what you are. Wow, that's powerful. I'm going to write that down. Yeah, so the question is, how much does that guy have left? You know, conventional wisdom would say this is a terrible fight.

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Conventional wisdom would say there's a 28-year-old with knockout power, just knocked out Mike Perry. He's real fast. He's young. He's fucking athletic. He's bold as shit. He's a good boxer. He's a very good boxer. People don't want to give him his credit because he's a YouTuber and all that shit. Anybody who knocks out Tyron Woodley with one punch can fucking crack.

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Anybody that can move the way that dude moves and have a fight with Tommy Fury, who's a world-class boxer, and he lost that fight, but it was a very good fight. He's a good fighter, a real good fighter.

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I'd be all in for that fight, unfortunately, for you. I mean, it sounds great, but... If I was running things, I'd be like, the fights are going to be fucking great anyway. It's UFC 300. Everyone's going to be super hyped up. There's so much on the line. It's a crazy fucking card. That's a great fight. It's a great fight. Yeah.

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It would have been interesting to see him fight Mike Perry bare-knuckle, though.

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That changes everything. Mike Perry is the best at that shit. It's interesting how that's a different sport, because it really is a different sport. It's a whole different thing when your hands aren't covered and you feel those bones piercing your skin.

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Yeah. It's like. He's a 100% human pit bull. That's a 100% human pit bull. That guy has no quit in him. No quit. You know, he fucking throws caution to the wind at every possible occasion. You can hit him. He's going to hit you back. He knows how to take punishment. He likes it. He likes getting hit. and he broke Rockhold's teeth. And I was like. Broke Luke Rockhold's teeth.

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Well imagine, okay, how about him and MVP? Okay? Him and MVP with the gloves on in an MMA fight, you favor MVP, right? I favor MVP. MVP is super hard to hit. He's got crazy distance management, those kicks in that distance and the long length. But he decided to take a challenge and fight Mike Perry bare knuckle because he thought, look, I can move better than anybody.

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I am the most elite mover in all of MMA. And I'm going to fight this flat-footed meathead psychopath. Yeah. And that flat-footed meathead psychopath just walked him down. And dropped him a couple times in there. Yeah, man.

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Changes everything.

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He's tweeting for fun. Apparently Mike Perry has a piece of Bare Knuckle too. Oh, does he? Yeah, I think that's what he said. He's like, I'm one of the owners too, motherfucker. He's the face of it.

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I think regular boxing is just very different. It's very different. What you can get away with, the fact that you can't really clinch and punch the way those guys do. In bare-knuckle boxing, those guys are getting grimy. There's a lot of dirty boxing in there. It's just so different when those bare knuckles touch you. It's just so different. You can't guard as much. Still stuff's getting through.

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You don't have the big cushions in front of you. Those big cushions mean a lot, man. They stop a lot of shit.

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Yeah, like you remember them old-timey boxing guys?

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They all were holding their punches like this. Those bare-knuckle guys, they all fought like this. They jabbed each other like this. They were just trying to only hit with these two knuckles.

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You know, if you punch someone like that on purpose with an eyeball, like that's real.

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Yeah. So, I mean. But how weird was it to have to do the fight at like 5 in the morning? Oh, my God. So, let's explain that to people who don't know. The UFC that was done in England was done on American pay-per-view time. So the card had to start, what did it start, like 1 a.m.? Yeah, it started, yeah, the first fight was 1 a.m.

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I think in MMA a lot of them come from this. A lot of them come from that distance management. Yeah. And I think that's, ooh, I think one point every time. Poke someone's eye, one point. And no one will ever do that again. Everybody will keep their hands closed.

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You poke someone with the fingers one time, one point.

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It's just such a natural instinct to try to push a guy away from you.

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And if a guy's coming at you and you're trying to push him away, those fingers go right in there, man. You see the Wyman fight?

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Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah.

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That was the referee's problem.

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The referee should have stopped that. Should have stopped that on that last eye poke for sure. But maybe he didn't see it. Maybe he wasn't in a position to see it. Yeah. It's just... It's hard.

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Yes, that's right. And that was another one of those situations, the same kind of situation where you're like, that's not a stoppage. He's standing up. He's up. The last one, he got hurt harder by Bojalio. When he got dropped, that looked worse than the fight where he got stopped previously.

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Yeah, and he's 40.

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It's crazy how those little moments in a fight can change the entire career of a fighter. You never know. Like at any moment, something screwy can happen, you know? So is this it? So here it is. Imalvov is hitting him with some good shots for sure. Jared's definitely getting hit, but he's firing back and the referee stops it. And he's like, what the fuck are you doing? And Herzog's a good ref.

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He's a very good ref. And he faced some serious criticism after that fight. And I think, you know, he made a mistake.

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You know, he was probably trying to save Jared from further punishment. He thought it was over. But Jared was like, I got a lot left. I was not as badly hurt as you thought. You know, the thing is, the problem is when a guy is teeing off on you, even if you're not getting hurt, it looks bad. Even if you're moving away and covering up and you're getting out of the range, you're stumbling around.

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It looks bad, but you could still come back, and you've got to give the guy the opportunity to still come back. You don't let him take shots when he's out, but you've got to give him the opportunity to be able to come back. And when a guy's standing and still throwing back, you've got to give him a chance because fights are fights. Things change.

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First fight of the night, 1 a.m., undercard, UFC fight pass, first fight of the night. That's crazy. That's so crazy. As if we can't watch it earlier in the day. As if UFC fans on a fucking Saturday are going to say, oh, the pay-per-view starts at noon. Okay. We watch football games at noon. We watch world title fights at noon. Making you guys fight at 5 in the morning to me was bananas.

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Guys, he might have got burned out from that because he emptied the gas tank. We've seen that happen many times.

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Everybody's baffled by Driscus. Oh, my God. Like, what is going on? How's he beating everybody? Like, what is going on? It's wild. He's a bulldog. That dude, I was stunned. I was stunned by the Adesanya fight. I was stunned. Because Adesanya was looking good. He was looking good. But Drikus was looking good, too. And Drikus was landing a lot of leg kicks.

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He's got that real sneaky left high kick, too. That left high kick comes out of nowhere.

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But game.

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So game.

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He's a tank. He is a tank. He marches forward, man. And the way he capitalized, he hurt Izzy with a couple good punches. One good left hook, he hurt Lizzy, and Izzy moved away, and then they got into another exchange. He hit him with those two right hands from the clinch, and then got his back. And once he got his back, it was like that.

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He went right to the choke, right to the choke, and cinched it up. I mean, between the time he hit Izzy to the time where Izzy was tapping was just a few seconds.

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I always wonder, and I wanted to talk to him about this, is if he's ever considered doing like one of those Marv Marinovich type camps. So Marv Marinovich, they had this philosophy that the most important thing was your gas tank. You already know how to fight. You already know how to fight. All your getting better has already been done.

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And in the six weeks or eight weeks, whatever your camp is, you should be only concentrating on cardio. And they would do these explosive plyometric things. BJ hated it. He hated it. But if you look at his gas tank from those fights, it was unstoppable.

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And when a fighter's not tired and the other fighter is tired and you realize all that work has paid off and you start putting it on him and you got this unlimited gas tank and you also haven't been beat up in training for six to eight weeks because you're really not sparring. You're really not doing much of anything other than your cardio. They're just doing plyometrics.

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It's all just jumping around and shit. It's all... Have you ever seen Marlboro Innovative? See if you can find... Marv Marinovich trains BJ Penn. They had BJ doing all kinds of wild shit.

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That's all they would do, man. Wow. That's all they would do. Nick Curzon came on the podcast. He was a protege of those guys. And that's his philosophy as well. He was telling me that it's really an elite fighter that's fighting in a world championship fight. They already know how to fight. You just got to give them the unstoppable gas tank.

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And if you concentrate only on that, it's the most important thing. Because when a fighter gets tired, like when Izzy got tired in that fourth round with Drikus, you could see he's not the same Izzy in the first round that's like lightning fast and moving and countering and controlling distance and getting out of the range of shots. This is an Izzy that's experiencing fatigue.

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But he already knows how to fight. The fighting is in his DNA at this point. He knows how to fuck people up. Yeah. Here's BJ training with the Marinoviches. So it's all these plyometrics, even with the arms. It's all this explosive shit. Everything is done for time and distance, and they measure everything.

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And he just breaks guys down physically to the point where when they get into that octagon, they just have the craziest fucking gas tank of all time. It's an interesting philosophy.

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Eli Alex Pineda spots Israel Adesanya injury. Draws partial confession from stylebender. He said, this guy knows me. Said Izzy was injured.

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He said he was noticing that he wasn't throwing kicks like he might have been injured. And then Izzy was like, it's almost like this guy knows me or something. So he's sort of admitting to being injured, but not.

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Well, they clash shins a bunch of times. I mean, it could have happened in the fight. But the problem is he was still tired.

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He's still tired. I mean, I'm sure he was injured. It's a crazy fight. You get injured.

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What is the worst injury you ever went into a fight with?

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I was like, that is so contrary to anything you would want from optimum physical performance.

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Well, they always say that you should do that anyway, like really elevate your heart rate and then cool down and then compete.

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You're already loose, for real loose.

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And you're going into the fight completely warmed up.

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Psychologically too.

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Like you're much closer psychologically to a fight than just hitting mitts and then all of a sudden someone's throwing back.

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What is the food you take before you train?

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Yeah. Well, having, you've gone through camps with Ramadan and that's where it gets, and you, we should tell people, there's ways to kind of make that a little easier on yourself where you sleep during the day and then you get up and then at nighttime, once you can eat and drink, then you do that. But you don't do that.

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And you can't drink water in between rounds? No. So you're training with no water?

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That's interesting. So you got to treat it like you're cutting weight almost.

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Okay. Yeah. So that it carries you on at least a little bit in the morning. Yeah.

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Well, now it's about your legacy as a champion. Yeah. And exactly all the things we were talking about before, the little thing can change your life, a little loss here, a little loss there. Fuck all those taking those fights on 10 days notice. Yeah. If the UFC calls you 10 days before an event, change your number. Change your fucking number, man. Don't let them talk you into it.

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Come on, you can beat them. I know you work out all the time, and you start thinking, yeah, I do work out all the time. And they're like, we're going to offer you X amount of money. You're like, oh, shit, that's a lot of money. And you start spending that money. Exactly.

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It just means it's safe and healthy. It's simple, real food from people who care about what goes into your dog's body. The Farmer's Dog makes it easy to help your dog live a long, healthy life by sending you fresh food that's pre-portioned just for your dog's needs. Because every dog is different. And I'm not just talking about breeds.

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So you have to temper that mindset. Yeah.

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you know you have to think about the overall big picture because what got you to the dance is that mindset like anybody anytime let's go who am i fighting i'm ready i'm ready i'm ready i don't know but now once you got the title so you got to keep the dog but you also got to be intelligent about what fights you take and when you take them yeah and no one don't fight injured you know there's so many guys take fights i had a broken foot coming into this fight like what

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So who do you think is next? There's talk of Shavkat and there's talk of Kamaru Usman.

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Fuck you, bitch.

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I think for legacy, Usman's an important name. Also because Usman probably won't be fighting that much longer. You know, he's kind of at the end of his career. And I feel like the UFC owes him a little bit something for the Hamzat fight. Takes Hamzat on short notice. Yeah. That was like 11 days notice too, right?

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That's crazy. That's crazy. And it was close. Very close. And he was winning the third round. Yeah. But I was going to say earlier about Oliveira and Saryukian. Like that's another fight where I felt like that is a five-round fight. That should be a five-round fight. And Charles almost caught him a couple times in that fight.

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I'm like that's a wild close fight between two top of the food chain guys. It seems wrong to have that fight three rounds. Especially for number one contender status.

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And he almost caught him a couple of times. Yeah. He got real close a couple of times. And Charles is, I think he's the most successful finisher with submissions in the history of the sport.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9350.777

Yeah, but the last one was so fucking close, and it's against Saroukian, who's the top of the food chain. Yeah. That 155-pound division, whew. It's... What happens if Islam decides to go to 170?

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9370.348

So what if you're going to... Okay, let's assume you beat Usman, let's assume you beat Shavkat...

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9397.189

Islam would go to 70 and you'd go to 85?

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9410.644

Well, Drakus is talking about going up to 205 and fighting Alex, which is crazy. So maybe he vacates the middleweight title, or who knows, maybe he goes double champ status.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9427.906

Whitaker. He fought Whitaker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9438.832

If Hamzat wants to fight, and, you know, I think Hamzat's at 70 is the scariest Hamzat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9447.512

What does he walk around at?

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9479.133

What did you eat? You eat a whole ostrich? What the fuck did you eat?

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9492.142

He's good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9518.46

Yeah, that's the real deal. And he looked great in that fight. Yeah, he's a real contender. There's so many real contenders. Yeah. And your division is just so filled.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9553.872

That's what we're talking about, though. That's what it was.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9556.115

He was doing that same kind of workout with Nick Curzon.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9560.868

Curson? I'd have to reach out. I bet he still does. I know he was training a bunch of other athletes in a bunch of different sports as well. But his whole thing is plyometrics and foot strength and your ability to move and continue to move. It's interesting because I see both ways. I see like, look, Sean Strickland is the craziest fucking cardio of anybody, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

958.655

So did you try to stay on Chicago time the whole thing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9582.02

Because all that guy does is spar. He's fighting every day. He spars more than anybody in the UFC and he gets hit less. That's nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9591.899

That's nuts. So his cardio is from his being completely comfortable with fighting all the time. And I'm sure he does other things too, but most of which, if you talk to Nick Sick and all those guys that train with him, most of the stuff what he does is spar.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9606.99

He just loves sparring. He loves getting in there and sparring.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9621.533

But he doesn't get hit much. The reason why he's so good at that, first of all, that style is so weird. Stands straight up. Has the Philly shell and throws punches in weird angles and he's just peppering you, peppering you, peppering you, keeping them on you. Keep to the body, front kick to the body, peppering you, keeping on you. It's a weird style, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9658.931

Yeah. I was shocked at that fight. But that was a good example of how hard he is to hit. He's fucking hard. I mean, because I think, you know, for some reason, I don't know what happened, but I think that... I think some fighters, they just have, like, when Stylebender beat Bohemia, like, he was kind of a different guy after that fight, you know? There's some guys, they have a fight...

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9691.158

And for whatever reason, they never are the same guy again. And it's not even a bad beating. It might be like a psychological thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9716.444

When Izzy dry humped him. Izzy has the best celebrations after any fight. The fight with Pejeta, when he knocks Pejeta out and he shoots the three arrows into him, that's the greatest.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9731.812

I don't think he said he did think about that. I think he just did that in the moment. In the moment?

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9736.435

Well, you know, Alex always shoots arrows at you in the beginning.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

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It's the best. And then the speech afterwards makes it even better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9748.788

You know, the speech was incredible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9755.296

knows man I don't know if Izzy wants to fight that dude again I don't think he wants to fight him at 205 I think 205 you don't get a drained Alex Pejeta you get a destroyer yeah what he just did to Prohaska everybody's got to be nervous all he has to do is one shot just touch you once and I think at 185 he doesn't take a shot as well either yeah I think that draining of your body and you know your brain dehydrates the whole deal yeah and Drick has said if he fights him again he doesn't want any excuses so he doesn't want Alex to come down to 85 he wants to go up to 205

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9796.031

Something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9797.153

You got to do something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9801.877

It's just too dangerous. It's weird. It's like some guys just have weird power.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9806.758

It's weird. It's different than everybody else's by a magnitude. So a large gap between his power and everybody else's. And with everything. With kicks, with punches, anything he hits you, that scissor knee that he hit Michelinus with.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

981.536

How have they done London cards in the past? Did they do that in the past?

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9828.416

No, he spars light.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9831.138

That's the only time Strickland spars light. Strickland goes in there and spars with him. He's like, let's just touch each other.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9840.907

Yeah, fuck all that. And he's talking about going to heavyweight, which is even crazier. Him against Aspinall would be wild, though. Wild. But you got to think Aspinall can take him down.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9855.871

I think Aspinall, the moment he realized, if he can hit him on his feet, he'll try. But if he can't, the takedown's always there. And he's so much bigger. I mean, Aspinall's a solid 255.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

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Wicked on the ground. And he's had nothing but success. Other than that one time where he fought Curtis and his knee blew apart. But that's just a freak accident.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

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Yeah, it's a crazy sport, man. It really is. And for you, what a journey to be 23 years old and step into a gym for funsies. You know what I'm saying?

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9934.543

And being able to do that kind of a fight, a world title fight, your first world title fight, at five in the morning in another country. Bananas. Yeah. Just a crazy accomplishment. Enemy territory. Enemy territory. People dying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

9950.207

Tired enemy. Sleepy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

1.951

So tell me what it's like to testify in front of the Senate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

6399.012

What?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

7599.483

I'll just go with what I have right now. Why don't you put it up for me? I am. It's up. Oh, okay. So this is just a... It's the only one I've found so far.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

7615.612

That's why I'm on Twitter, because it wasn't coming up in a search engine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

7620.844

That's crazy, too, how quick stuff can be suppressed and disappear.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

7687.68

It's a fact check I found. I think this is what he said.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

7858.757

Updated, because... This isn't updated, though. From the first thing I found, which was... It says November 18, 2023. Right, the original thing we read that said 1,000 months from September, so it was 60 days before this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

7874.26

No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

7884.464

Yeah, there's currently only two.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

7887.705

Yeah. Period? I mean, I found the website that has their names listed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

7906.222

Here's what I looked up. I typed in Maui Fire people missing. When you click on the first thing, that says how many people were missing in the Maui Fire. That's what I clicked on that you read. The date on that is September.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

7953.968

Click on that. It's down to two. That's what I said. It's on the website. It has two people listed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

7985.448

Yeah, I think it's just saying over 1,000 were reported missing. There was over 3,000, according to the other thing, were initially reported missing. That means they could have found them the next day, found them two days later, three days later, an hour later.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

8005.762

Self-coverage problems and all sorts of stuff. They couldn't contact people, maybe. Yeah. A lot of possibilities, I feel like.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

9396.227

I just listened to a book on this. It's one of the myths that come from that. Not that it never happened, but they said that it didn't really happen. Jamie's a party pooper. Y'all notice that? Yeah. It was a great course on Audible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2208 - Brigham Buhler

9430.49

Oh, about the—that they, like, raped the peasants' wives or whatever on their wedding days? Like, there might have been one king or a couple, like, aristocratic-type people that might have been dickheads and did it, but it wasn't, like, a thing that happened. Regularly. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1001.138

Do you remember, I think her name was, is it Stacy Plaskett, whoever it was? Yeah. And she has this woman behind her that's like this super autistic lady that's mouthing every word. Yeah, she's like, and I know that. I mean, looks, I shouldn't say she is. I don't know if she is. Maybe she's just a very enthusiastic young lady that has like very bizarre behavior patterns.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10067.15

Well, maybe this thing was wearing a hat. Maybe the thing was under the hat. Maybe the hat disguised it. Maybe it was the thing disguised as a hat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10088.351

Our author, Charles James Hall, claims to have lived with aliens for two years in Nevada. After a few months, he finally overcame his fears and started to communicate with the extraterrestrials.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10098.76

I mean, let's say this is- It says overview? What is it, a movie? Yeah. What's it called? Walking with the Tall Whites. Oh, I know what I'm watching tonight. Do me a favor and send me that. Send me that text message. Here's the thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10118.862

The reptilians. Those are the worst.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10132.461

Oh, they're not?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10137.248

Okay, and the Nordics have hair.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10144.414

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10152.6

And then there's the greys.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10154.942

Yeah, there's the Nordics. Nordic aliens. They look jacked. They're all built like Aquaman.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10163.829

The women are hot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10175.864

Which is crazy because he didn't look like that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10195.122

Well, I heard it was Oxycontin.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10203.892

Well, that's why China has a grudge against the UK to this day because of the opium wars. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10220.946

Yeah. Get the whole country hooked on opium.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10246.795

Hold on. Yeah. Do you mean the Zeta? Guys like an actual deployed team went to train them? It's called black ops because it's a crime. Are you talking about people that have retired and go into mercenary service?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10264.631

trained cartels terrorized Mexico. Founders of Zeta's drug gang learned special forces techniques at Fort Bragg before waging a campaign of carnage. So Fort Bragg, there's so many connections. The PSYOP one? They're not called that anymore now. They're called something new. But there's recent connections, like a bunch of recent connections to Fort Bragg.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10284.358

One of them was the guy who got arrested on the golf course with the AK-47, and he spent time at Fort Bragg.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10294.065

Yeah. The fake ISIS guy was the guy who drove through the crowded New Orleans, right? And then the guy who was on the golf course with Trump. Both those guys had come through Fort Bragg. Of course.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10310.637

The thing about... Bragg units also led the way in the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the War on Terror. Today, Fort Bragg is one of the largest military installations in the world and continues to train and field the U.S. Army's best. It's the largest military base in the entire world, built in 1918 around the end of World War... So it probably has a section of... Of that base.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1033.92

Right, but the fact with this girl's on air. She wrote the speech. Right, but her eyes are wide. She looks like an alien. She's mouthing the words of her play. Yes, yes, yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10341.516

You say it's like, have you seen Gladiator? We all see Gladiator. We haven't all seen Ghost in the Machine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10349.678

You know what he's talking about? Have you ever heard of it? Have you seen it before, Jamie?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10355.1

Listen, we're running out of time, so we'll wrap it up with this. Let's see this. I'm a little man, and this is a little town, but there must be a spark in little men that can burst into flame. John Steinbeck. Oh, this is the second one. This isn't the first one. Wait a minute.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10371.349

Let's see.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10372.209

There's two. The most powerful weapon. Wow, this is a crazy commercial. First one's worse. In the hand of the oppressor.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10381.916

Freedom is indivisible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1045.685

Exactly. And she's ready for the actors to deliver the lines.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10465.367

Oh, that's a weird title behind every. Okay. Okay. Pause it. Pause it. Pause it. Pause it. Let's find the other one. Goes to machine one. So who put this out? That is so nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10479.437

This is Ghost in the Machine 2 again. Ghost in the Machine 1.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10490.445

Guys, they have a Psyop channel. Well, because they're recruiting, too. If you're the kind of- I understand, but let's see Ghost in the Machine 1. Okay. Oh, that's this one. This is my favorite. Here we go. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. I am. Pretend to be weak that he may grow arrogant. I am. Sun Tzu. Oh, China. China. Art of war. China. Clown world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10517.397

Where'd that come from? This dude dancing around. Have you ever wondered?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1053.648

It's very weird, yeah, because you know that lady who's the representative. Watch this. Look at her. Yeah, I've made that face many times. Look at her eyes, though. Look at those eyes. Give me some volume.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10565.467

At the tip of the spear. China! A threat rises in the east. This is crazy. No. Russia invades Ukraine. No. So this is a recent film. Yeah, it's from like 2017, 18. The soldier who edited it? No, much more recent. It said Russia invades Ukraine. Oh, that's true. They're staying nameless. They don't want their name to be out there. Well, why would you? Whoever edited it is nameless.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

10593.756

I get it. I'm freaked out for the rest of the day. Bye, Kurt. Let's wrap this up. I'm going to get out of here. Appreciate you. I love you very much. Hot to it. You're awesome. Hot to it. To the moon. Hot to it. To the moon. Get yourself some Melania coin while it's hot. Much love to you all. Bye. Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1073.052

Look at those eyes. Look at those eyes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1076.653

Yeah, she made a mistake, and then the autistic girl corrects her. Wait. I don't know if she's autistic. I shouldn't say that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1082.438

Wait. What the fuck?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1102.814

In that, we're to leave this interview... Because she said, uh? We're to suggest or imply that when you said the laptop was real, that it meant that the FBI had affirmatively determined in October 2020 that the laptop belonged to Hunter Biden.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1116.101

She realizes she made a mistake. So she's going to correct her.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1120.784

We're to leave this interview and we're to suggest or imply that when you said the laptop was real, that it meant that the FBI had affirmatively determined in October 2020 that the laptop belonged to Hunter Biden.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1134.518

So she has to correct her. So she leans over and says something to her.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1137.199

Would they be representing what you said, correct? Answered by Ms. Demlow. They would be representing what I said because I don't have much knowledge of that.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1160.914

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

119.763

Yeah, but they don't broadcast their plans to students, undergrad students. Yeah, they do. What do you think a Rhodes Scholar is?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1207.078

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1322.585

I need one sitting next to me on a podcast. Voice to skull? I would like one. What? Can we find one? Can we start auditions tomorrow? Well, it's Jamie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

133.236

What do you mean by broadcast their plans? The plans have never been secret. Yeah, but the plans were never in the 90s or the 80s. The plans were never turn boys into girls.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1331.771

Jamie's deeply invested in Hawk Tua.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1336.294

Do you know where FUD comes from? I don't know. Elmer FUD. And do you know what the reference is from? Hunting Rifles. So hunters and firearms enthusiasts, like Second Amendment people, like my friend Coleon Noir, like people who make YouTube videos on ARs and that kind of shit. It's not Colin? Well, Collins is his real name. Coleon Noir is his online name. His real name is Collins.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1361.295

I've been saying Colin. Collins is his actual name. Oh. Doesn't matter. Okay. My point is, super firearms enthusiasts that kind of go to the SHOT Show in Vegas and check out all the latest fucking red dots. They think of hunters that use, like, bolt-action rifles as FUDs. You're an Elmer FUD. You're a dopey old hunter. Like, you have an antiquated view of firearms.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1388.613

Oh, fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1390.794

Manipulative propaganda tactic used in sales markets. I don't think that's what you were saying, though. You're talking about FUDs like dorks. I was talking about this. Oh, you said, I'm a FUD, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1402.18

But you use that like as a noun? Yeah, they go the FUDs. Oh. Do I like Sigma? The FUD factor. But that's not what they're saying here. They're saying it's a factor. Put a competitor at a disadvantage, the FUD factor.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1422.469

So what I'm saying is that real hardcore gun enthusiasts look at guys wearing hunting rifles as FUDs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1431.974

Right, right, right. I thought it was. That's what I thought it was coming from. Maybe it's just like my limited.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1439.658

Oh, here it is. An old fashioned, unimaginative or pompous person.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1449.583

Right. And that's probably why they made Elmer FUD. It was probably already a term, and Elmer Fudd was a dork.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1460.06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's all people that are really into a thing. It's like coin collectors. Yeah. People are like, those similarities of people that are really into collecting things, you find them in everything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1474.73

Well, the people that, like, actually get, like, stolen shit. Like, they buy it from China. They have, like, Egyptian mummies in their house and stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1484.617

That's a big market, you know, for, like, illegal artifacts. Yeah. Like, really, really rich guys in other countries, they like to fucking go behind back channels and get, like, Egyptian shit that was, like, ripped off from tombs. Especially that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1506.047

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1513.669

He's great.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1514.79

And he's coming on soon again by himself.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1519.578

Yeah, no, that guy's great.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1526.679

Oh, this is Flynn Dibble. He's just, you know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1531.26

I bet it's worth a lot. What is the Dibblecoin worth? But here was my question about the whole coin thing. Are they using real money? Is that $36 billion real money that they bought it for? Or are they using fake money? Are they using Shibu Inu coin to buy Trump coin? But you know what I'm saying?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

1550.165

So I was watching this thing on Shibu Inu coin when they were explaining that if you bought Shibu Inu coin in the beginning, like if you got $1,000 in Shibu Inu coin, at one point in time it was only worth $2, but now it's worth like $17 million. That's right. Like if you hang on there in the waves... You know, like if Elon tweets about Shibu Inu coin, that fucking shit will skyrocket.

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Look, here's the difference between- He's trying to make the system. JD's trying to Nancy Pelosi the crypto market.

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J. Edgar Hoover?

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I don't know who he is. You never heard of Roy Cohn? I've heard the name, but I don't know who he is. Like, if you ask me, like, what does Roy Cohn do, I wouldn't be able to tell you.

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Excuse me, country. Yeah, well, dude. The good of the country.

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Meet the Cosby Kids. Oh my god, look at this. The thing says, Meet the Cosby Kids. Who wrote this sketch? I don't know. But what's funny is that back then, that was ridiculous.

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See, the thing is, he's a gay guy, and he's not interested in going to that island. So he's probably on the outs. And allegedly, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if he supposedly ever went.

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Oh, I'm sure there's gay blackmail, but you can't gay, when a guy's single and gay, like, what are you going to get on him? That he fucks other guys?

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Right, right.

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Well, it's people that got trapped. So they've been lying their whole life and the social stigma of it in the 80s and 90s.

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I don't mind forgiving people I just don't think that they should be in the same positions if they were using their power to manipulate people and then something comes out about them that Shows that this is why they were doing it that person shouldn't be allowed to continue doing it and we forgive them They should find a new thing to do.

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Yeah, and I shouldn't be in control of the rest of the country's life

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Yeah, yeah.

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What do you think it means?

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Well, I told you my friend Evan Hafer's theory about JFK. What is that? So here's what happened. They don't clue JFK in on the bag of pigs until very late in the operation. And air support is critical for the survivor. The Cubans.

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So he put not the Cubans, Americans, American special ops guys. So they send in the fucking most ultra violent best killers we have. But they have to have air support. Well, he pulls – JFK pulls air support, and those guys get fucked, and a lot of guys die that shouldn't have died. So those guys come back, and they're fucking furious.

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And those are the type of people that you would hire to kill people.

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Yeah.

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Because they kill people already. So if you've got those guys and you've got this president that the entire special forces – division that went onto that island wants dead.

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So you have thousands or I don't know how many people deployed in that particular operation, but you've got, let's say you got a thousand hardcore killers that want this president dead because their buddies got blown up unnecessarily. Yeah. Totally makes sense.

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2109.53

Well, Kennedy was in a fucking convertible in Dallas and Fidel Castro was well aware, well aware that people were trying to kill him.

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That's true though, but Castro was, he was having like affairs with women who knew things. Yeah, he was James Bond, that motherfucker. Yeah, he was tied in to people that were involved in the potential assassination of him. He was getting inside information. That's why he didn't smoke the exploding cigars. They try to do like a cartoon. They give him an exploding cigar.

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Yeah, well, he was already a monster. I mean, he was already forcing a dictatorship on those people.

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I didn't do no shit. It is funny. It is funny that, like, George W., when he's sitting on the stage at the inauguration, I look over at him. He's clearly medicated. I would just guess. He's a Sirhan Sirhan if there ever was one. He's sitting there smiling. And look, there's all these memes online where he's, like, seeing things that aren't there.

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But you have to be that if you killed a million people. If you killed a million people on a false premise, and then how do you sleep at night? Well, they medicate the fuck out of you, and you're fine.

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They were missing on purpose. Yeah, they didn't want to kill people.

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So separate them earlier. Yeah.

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Exactly. Yeah. Do you know what happened with me? What did I tell you? I, um, I think one of the things that led me to questioning everything my whole life was that when I was, I didn't go to kindergarten. Um, Oh yeah. Okay. So I went to first grade. First grade was the first time I went to school. So I was with my family, this loving Italian family, you know, nice home. Catholic school?

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Catholic school, first grade. And then all of a sudden, I'm being controlled by this nun who was a fucking ruthless cunt. It was the first time I'd ever been around a mean person. Like, I didn't have, like, mean people to me in my life. And this lady was just fucking openly vicious. She said she was going to make me sit on a nail in the closet. That's hot. It was weird shit.

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You know, smack your hands. Yeah. She would hit you. They would do things. They would hit people in class. I don't think she hit me. I don't remember her hitting me. But she hit people in class. And I remember. Trauma bonding. As a six-year-old kid sitting there in that class going, okay, I know this is all bullshit. This is not what God would want. These people don't represent God.

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Because I was really into God. My parents were getting split up when I was five, and I was really lost. And one of the things that I clung to was religion as a young boy. I didn't even really know what it meant, but I wanted to believe that there was a God that made something happen.

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By the time I had gotten to first grade, I had experienced enough bullshit that I realized that this lady does not represent God. This was just some mean, old, celibate lady. Yeah. And the whole thing was nasty, and the way she treated the students was terrifying, and From then on, I questioned things. It literally set me down on a path from first grade.

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And it was because they didn't get me when I was four. They didn't get me when I was five. They got me when I was six. Yes. My parents had already split up. I'd already seen some shit. I'd already seen enough chaos to know that people are fucking not what they say they are. Right. I'd seen enough shit behind the scenes.

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I think that's vaccines.

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They castrate themselves as a sign of devotion to the goddess.

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But that's all a money grab.

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That's all a money grab. That's for a certain level. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's 100 percent what that is. That's selling the most amount of vaccines possible. And that just look at the numbers. That's worth hundreds of billions of dollars. Yeah, you're right. Hundreds of billions of dollars. That's a money grab. OK, but.

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But here's the thing, if you don't mandate them and you have more people that are surviving and getting through it and telling other people it's fine, you don't need the vaccine, that cuts your profits in a massive way. You know, shit. A massive way. But that's all that is. You're looking into it too deeply. They're not trying to make autistic people. What do you mean all?

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2529.364

Well, you don't make cures. You make treatments. You don't want to make cures. Yeah, no, right. They openly discuss not wanting to have cures.

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Public record shit. You tell them in the green room and you freak me out.

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They wore saffron rose and clashed symbols together as they walked down the streets. So they were basically having like one of those women's protests.

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He's this fucking giant. He lurches over people in the green room and he's like, oh, and did you know?

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But you have too much information, I think. I've been a friend of yours for a long time. And we probably met, what, 15 years ago or something like that? Yeah, in Canada. Yeah. How many years ago was that? This was a long time ago. Long time ago. And I've watched your- Comedy Attic. That's right. No, Comedy- Wasn't the Attic? Jimbo. Jimbo's. Jimbo's. Comedy Works. I'm sorry.

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Comedy Works in Montreal. Yeah. Yeah. So over time, what has happened is you have, through doing the Jimmy Dore show, you got exposed to all kinds of really fucked up real conspiracies. Yeah. Yeah, the news. It's called the news. Yeah, but a real independent journalist, like Jimmy, who's also a comic.

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Oh, yes.

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No, no, no, no. He was the real deal with everything.

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Yeah.

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You just got the... I just got the demon behind the eyes. We just locked eyes with each other for like 15 seconds. The adrenochrome withdrawal eyes? He just looked over at me and we looked at each other for like 15 seconds, dude.

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No, I don't.

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Well, you know what Nero did, right? What Nero did to take that boy when his wife died. He found a slave that looked like his wife and chopped his dick off and turned him into his wife.

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But also, you should know that your strategy sucks because you've got to have me on your side, you fucking idiots.

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No, no, I don't go to them parties.

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They have invited me to see some things like that.

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Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited to be tempted.

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Yeah, I'm going to go. That's how they can get me. They can get me with science. You know, Barry Crimmins was the glue that kept the Boston comedy community together. And he was the reason why there was no hacks. Everybody was scared of Barry. I was fucking terrified of Barry. The first time Barry was nice to me, I was like... And leftist wasn't a hack.

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Well, he was far left, but supported American workers, American made things. He would like drink Budweiser, you know, like he would pull Budweiser out of his jacket on stage. He wouldn't drink foreign beer. He was a real deal and a really fucking beautiful person.

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Right.

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Why would you say that? Well, what's crazy about them saying that is all the things they were saying that were conspiracy theories, because this is all in regards, do your own research stuff, was all in regards to COVID-19. All the things that people were saying that they were calling a conspiracy theory turned out to be true.

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Every single one of them, but yet no correction, but yet they still want to be the people that give you the news.

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Right. That's what they called it?

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The Joe Rogan Experience.

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But why are you doing this gain-of-function research if you're not trying to find a cure? Because they clearly didn't have a cure.

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Isn't it just a warning about the direction of the human race?

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You're going around so many corners that it's hard to follow where you first started from. Yeah. You keep going with stuff. We started with autistic people and now we're at... This episode is brought to you by Visible. Is your wireless full of stuff you didn't sign up for, don't need, or don't understand? Visible gives you everything you want from wireless and nothing you don't.

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Well, most of those guys who say that don't have kids.

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We should talk about that because I want to know what is what what is going on with the MAGA coin? Here's the thing that we're talking about last night. Yeah, the MAGA coin was worth 36 billion dollars. Yeah, so here I'm coined It's not the MAGA coin just Trump. Okay Trump coin. So the Trump coin. I'm calling it the MAGA coin Sorry, the Trump coins worth 36 billion dollars.

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Yeah, well, there's definitely a lot of propaganda. There's a lot of misinformation that's going on, I think, purposefully to try to muddy the narrative. Why? I think it's ours. I think a lot of that stuff is, but I also think we get visited. I think that's real too. Yeah, I think it is real as well. I don't think it's as simple as one or the other.

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I think one of the ways to kind of continue to hide it is to have our stuff and then eventually it leaks that we have advanced technology. But where did we get it? And what are we emulating? And are we in contact? And are all those stories? What's going on under the ocean?

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Why are these things that have been documented that go 500 knots under the ocean, which is fucking insanely fast, that they can go from the ocean to the surface, outside, into space, back into the water? Documented stuff. We don't have that capability. So is that ours? Yeah. Or is that some shit that comes from somewhere else? Okay. Yes, they have it. Or is it a combination of all those things?

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Well, it's not yours and mine, but is it Raytheon's? You know what I'm saying? Does the government have... some sort of like top secret propulsion system that's 50 fucking years advanced from what we have now.

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3429.2

Right. It's the mark of the beast.

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3445.13

Yeah, that was the creepiest thing, the idea that no one will have any privacy and that way everyone will behave.

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3465.678

He knows when you've been sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake. Who wrote that? Some creep, CIA. I bet the CIA wrote that song. Really?

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What that means is 36,000 people put a million dollars in. That doesn't even make sense. So that's 36,000 million. That's what 36 billion is. I believe you. I'm not good at math. Isn't that right? That's right. I know Hawk 2 is going to move. That sounds insane. You could get 36,000 people. Let's say it's way more people, way less money they contribute.

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Wait, you're confusing the shit out of me.

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3557.431

Well, I know that if you're a martyr and you die, you're supposed to get 72 virgins.

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But you're saying this is like everybody knows it, right? Jamie, you and I are pretty balls deep in conspiracies. I don't know what he's talking about. This is historical facts. Yeah, I'm following along. He is everywhere, but I'm following along.

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Well, also it's not, it doesn't mean 72. It means like a fuckload. That's what it means. Like when you say 72, it's like if you have 72 wives, it's impossible to have that many wives.

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And they thought they were going to go to heaven and be in that place where they had all those girls.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

3666.561

Right. And if I have an island and if I can fly everybody in on private jets and you know you're going to party with Bill Clinton and Nobel laureates.

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And there's other nerds there. There's other nerds.

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3689.792

Yeah, from the 80s. No, I didn't see that.

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3692.434

Did you see it, Jamie?

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God, Val Kilmer was a handsome bastard.

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3736.209

Well, it's definitely the best way if you want to push a narrative and you want award-winning scientists behind your narrative.

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3745.996

If you want to own the science, you have to compromise the scientists.

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It still seems insane if you're using real money. You've never been to a casino or something? But that's the point. We talked about this. You and I talked about this. It is essentially gambling.

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But no, no, no, no, no. The guy, there was a false obituary. They made a mistake and thought that he died and they called him the merchant of death. in the obituary because he made dynamite. So to whitewash his image, he decides to have a prize that he gives to the brightest minds. So his name now gets associated with the most high-achieving brilliance. Yeah, it's despicable.

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3827.458

It's kind of amazing, though, because the Nobel Prize is the gold standard. That's the thing that everybody thinks. Oh, he's a Nobel Prize-winning scientist.

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3847.472

They all want status. They're just human beings. They all want to be the best of their group. They all want to achieve in a way that they get awarded. That's why everybody in Hollywood wants an Oscar.

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390.704

Right. But the argument is that Trump is ripping off his fans with this Trump coin. My question is, how is he ripping off his fans? It's basically... Like DraftKings. Like, what are you doing?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

3900.302

What? That's what he called people that were under the spell of MKUltra?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

3911.67

Well, the experiments that they did with drugs on people, that's literally what created Ted Kaczynski. And do you remember the one where they did it in St. Louis? Yeah. I think they sprayed it off the top of a building.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

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It's radioactive. Oh, that's right. It was to judge whether or not they would be poisoned. And what level of poisoning they could survive.

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Super.

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Yeah, we brought Mengele here. Before you go down, Dr. Green, what was that experiment? Someone told me there was one where they sprayed LSD into the atmosphere.

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3962.683

No, no, no. San Francisco was pneumonia. St. Louis, Doris Spates was a baby and her father died inexplicably. She has watched her siblings die of cancer. She survived cervical cancer. Learning the Army conducted secret chemical testing in her impoverished St. Louis neighborhood in the height of the Cold War, she wonders if her own government is to blame.

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In the mid-1950s and again a decade later, the Army used motorized blowers atop a low-income housing high-rise at schools and from the back of station wagons to send a potentially dangerous compound into the already hazy air in predominantly black areas of St. Louis. Local officials were told at the time that the government was testing a smoke screen that could shield St.

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Louis from aerial observation in case the Russians attacked. But in 1994, the government said the tests were part of a biological weapons program, and St. Louis was chosen because it bore some resemblances to Russian cities that the U.S. might attack. The material being sprayed was zinc cadmium sulfide.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

4019.821

Cadmium sulfide, a fine fluorescent powder. Yeah. Oh, yeah, the Russians have black neighborhoods, I guess. Fucking jerk-off motion. Right. But if she's saying this, she must have some reasoning. Do you have weed? Yeah. But her report released last month was troubling enough that both U.S. senators from Missouri wrote to Army Secretary John McHugh demanding answers. Wow.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

4062.372

So the San Francisco one was a disease thing. Find that, Jamie. The San Francisco one, they were spraying pneumonia into the clouds. Oh, good. Yeah. Well, I'm sure they've stopped doing things like that. Yeah. What was the San Francisco one? I think they had the fog coming in and they wanted to see if they could distribute a disease that way.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

4088.616

And so they spread a disease aerially to see how many people were infected. How many was it? I don't know. What year was that? What year was it that they did that? I want to say that was the 80s.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

4105.89

San Francisco experimented with diseases on its population. Try that. What do you got? I mean, they just did it to you a couple years ago.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

4127.136

Okay, United States after secretly spraying San Francisco with SM. What is SM? In 1950, 11 patients at a city hospital contracted serratica infections, one of whom died. The Army deemed the outbreak a coincidence and continued to use SM as a simulant in subsequent open-air tests. Operation Sea Spray. That's it. Operation Sea Spray.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

4157.327

Okay, so a bacteria. So U.S. Navy in 1950, U.S. Navy secret biological warfare experiment in which ceratia, marcescens, and bacillus globuli. globigil, globigil, bacteria were sprayed over the San Francisco Bay Area in California in order to determine how vulnerable a city like San Francisco may be to a bioweapon attack, killing at least one American and sickening at least 10 more.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

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Imagine, let's find out how we could be vulnerable to a bioweapon on our citizens, and to protect them, we will use a bioweapon on our citizens. And we will kill people.

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That's the attitude. Based on results from monitoring equipment at 43 locations around the city, the Army determined that San Francisco had received enough of a dose for nearly all of the 800,000 residents to inhale at least 5,000 of the particles. This is within range of the infectivity for anthrax.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

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I don't know, but it's... It's a cattle disease. Is that what it started from? They tested cattle diseases on their cattle. Get it? Jesus Christ. The bacterium was also combined with phenol and an anthrax simulant and sprayed across Dorset by U.S. and U.K. military scientists as part of the DICE trials that ran from 1971 to 75. Jesus Christ.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

4246.98

There's no evidence that the Army had alerted health authorities before it blanketed the region with bacteria. Crazy. Doctors later wondered whether the experiment might be responsible for heart valve infections around the same time, as well as serious infections seen among intravenous drug users from 1960s to 1970s. Hey, I want to hear a fun one.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

4275.172

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

4288.999

Is that Jakob Krutzfeld?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

4296.544

So this is a prion disease, right? This is the same thing as like mad cow disease. Right.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

4356.204

One at a time. Let's start with Schrodinger because this is fucking freaking me out. Schrodinger wrote that? What year was that? Schrodinger's cat. What year was that?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

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Why don't we have a subscription to Forbes? We should probably have one just for the fuck of it. I don't mind paying those monsters.

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Well, listen, man. You got to know. You got to know. Don't you think that there's some place for some journalism still online? Of course there is. But is there hope for these people? Is there hope that the Washington Post, New York Times, people like that can turn around? The companies?

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Right. Explain that to people. Explain that because we've talked about it before, but it was a big moment. It was 2015, right? I thought it was 14, but- Whatever. It's a blur. It was in that range.

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They legalized propaganda. Yeah.

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I think I have a pair of those. Tony has a pair. I know.

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Well, not just bots, but it might be most of the discourse.

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repeals propaganda bans, spreads government-made news to Americans. What? Government-made news is great. Where does it say the date? The phrase government-made news is amazing. You live in China. With any other job, if you've been wrong so many times, you would get fired.

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See details at 8sleep.com slash rogan. How is that legal to propagandize American citizens with lies? Not only that, but you don't have to tell people about it. So it doesn't have to go through an approval process.

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And it's not saying you should never have intelligence agencies. You should have intelligence agencies. The world's a dangerous fucking crazy place. But also, you got to have rules. They should be accountable to somebody. Well, you have to have rules. And one of the rules should be you can't turn that shit on us. That should be the rules.

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You shouldn't be working in conjunction with a specific party and your set goal is to establish a specific candidate. And so to do that, you are going to use propaganda on the American public for a particular candidate that's running for president in the United States of America. You are going to decide to lie and use propaganda and it's legal. That's crazy. You're supposed to do that in Guatemala.

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You're supposed to do that in They're supposed to be. First of all, there's not even supposed to do that. But that's that's what we think you're doing. Well, you think you're overthrowing governments in other countries.

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You know, I read a book in like, God, it was probably like the 90s called Black Gold Stranglehold. It's a crazy book. I don't know if it's even been disproven because this is back in the days when I wasn't really reading things on the Internet. I was just getting stuff from actual books. So I didn't like research whether or not this book was bullshit.

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But essentially the theory was that oil is a natural process of Earth. And it regenerates. And that's why some wells that used to be dry now produce oil again. The idea that it's a property of earth that we're tapping into and it's not as simple as like this is a finite resource.

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Yeah, like diamonds. No.

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Sort of, but diamonds take millions and millions of years to make a diamond.

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But there's not a shortage.

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They artificially— Right, well, that's true. There's not a shortage. So if you do that for diamonds— But what I'm saying is the Earth is not replacing diamonds all the time like it's replacing oil. Right.

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Yeah, no, you're right.

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The theory is that Earth—because Earth has a finite amount of gold, right? It's a shockingly small amount of gold.

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Really?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. What they know about, they actually just found some new gold in China, so that might change that because they just found a huge amount of gold in China, like an enormous discovery. But the amount of gold physically, they've showed it on like football fields. It's crazy. Really? It's like a football field of gold that's like 10 feet high in the whole world.

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But gold has a very unique property. What is it? In that you could take a tiny, tiny piece of gold and coat this entire table. Gold can be spread insanely thin. That's why a lot of things are gold-plated. It looks like gold, but it's not gold. It's like steel. But then over that, they've got the thinnest layer.

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And the more amount of gold versus steel is like 18 karat, 24 karat, the purer the gold is. But pure gold in a form of coating things, that's why they paint ceilings with it and shit. Yeah, right. Yeah. You can get it insanely thin. It's a super, super unique metal. How heavy, even a thin layer of gold, like how much heavier does it make something? Oh, it must make something much heavier.

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Gold's so heavy. But what's really fascinating is that gold doesn't serve any functional purpose to evolving man. But yet in that time period, it became the number one source of currency. In the time period before we were able to make steel and before people had electronics, gold way, way back in the day was the thing for no fucking reason. There's all these other things that look pretty.

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Why did we decide that this kind of metal?

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Oh, Play-Doh. I thought you meant Play-Doh, the philosopher. I was like, what? No, Play-Doh, the... I'm so interested to see how you're going to tie this around to gold.

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Yes, it is. But it just doesn't make sense that people would be in the time where you needed a sword. Why would you be willing to trade a piece of shiny, useless metal for something that's functional that's going to save your life?

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I think the better version of it is the Anunnaki version. The Anunnaki version is that human beings are the product of accelerated evolution and we're essentially designed to mine gold for this alien race that needs it to protect their environment.

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This is in Zechariah Sitchin's The Twelfth Planet. And so what he said is that the Sumerian tablets talk about how their atmosphere was eroding and that they needed to spray gold at their atmosphere to maintain their atmosphere. What's crazy about that is this is exactly what these fucking eggheads are talking about doing today by spraying reflective particles in our atmosphere. Yeah.

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Well, because that anarchy shit's from their cult. Gold would be the perfect metal for that is what my point. You can get gold dust can get so fine. Yeah. It's a very weird metal, man. It's weird.

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It's weird that we are so obsessed with it and it doesn't really, other than like conductors and stuff like in electronics, it has a function like later in life. But way longer, way, way back in the day when you have jade and emerald. Emeralds and all these other things that should be super valuable as well. Why gold? Why does that become the number one thing that everybody agrees we have to have?

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You can make an atmosphere or a nice gold chain. It's not enough. It's not enough to make everybody kill people for it. It's no hawk to a coin. Yeah, but you're talking about this happened at the time where people had animal skins on. You're talking about the time where people regularly just wore animal skins and made all their tools with flint.

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I don't know what you're talking about. When does gold start being a currency? I'd like to know. 700 BC. 700 BC, roughly.

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I don't want to get off track here for a second though. So this was 200 BC. So that's 2,225 years ago, right? Yeah. That's when they first started using it as currency?

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But I thought they use it as currency in like Mesopotamia too. I thought like those kind of expensive coins.

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Well, they know that there's Roman coins that are thousands of years old, right?

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Look, I'm not saying that gold isn't... Like, anything that's rare is probably valuable to people. That seems to be a thing. Like, we like limited edition things. Like, people like... They specifically like things that are hard to acquire. Like, we were talking about, like, artifacts earlier. That's part of the thing. I'll bet with gold and Trump shoes... Okay, here it goes.

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5,000 years ago, Mesopotamia. Okay, they stamped silver and gold coins to pay armies. So, it goes back further than that.

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So the earliest known mints. The Mesopotamian Shuggle. They emerged. Okay. The first known form of currency emerged nearly 5,000 years ago.

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Oh, you know what? Didn't they have currency that was also like beads?

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So then they switched to gold around. So it is the same around the same timeline. Gold became the first accepted wide thing.

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Okay, so it doesn't go as far back as I thought. I thought that would make sense why we're so infatuated with gold. Well, I don't give a shit about it. But the Zachariah Sitchin thing, what's interesting is he wrote about that in the 1970s, and then scientists in like the 2000s started proposing it as a solution to our eroding environment.

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That's a $76 value gift for free if you go to drinkag1.com slash joerogan. Seriously, get on this. That hat's going to be worth banks someday.

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A lot of people don't believe in him, though.

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She was one of the first famous ladies to go a little nutty.

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She claims to have lived a past life in Atlantis two million years ago.

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She says she experienced memories of this past life while filming the 2016 movie Wild Oats and the Canary Islands. McLean wrote about her experiences in her 2016 memoir, Above the Line, My Wild Oats Adventure. What does that mean? Was she banging? Was she on a sex tour? Is that what that means? I don't know what that means. Sewing your wild oats is a sex story.

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But if you know actresses, how many of them are out of their fucking minds? So this is not shocking that someone would say they lived in Atlantis two million years ago. Two million years ago, we weren't even people yet.

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Right, but we know that, right? So this is why she's just a kook.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure.

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Well, you probably have a detached connection to reality when you're a really good actor. Because you're so good at becoming this other person. It's almost like you're throwing yourself into another body, another soul, another life.

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They get possessed by a character. Like Daniel Day-Lewis in There Will Be Blood. Yes. That guy is possessed by that character. I bet he created a past for that guy and had moments.

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I know, but you went on a long, circuitous route from Zacharias Hitchin. And I want to go back to the Zacharias Hitchin thing because I had that guy Wesley Huff, who's a Bible scholar.

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Yeah, I saw it.

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Very interesting guy. Yes, I think he is. Very, very intelligent guy. He doesn't believe that Sitchin could really read Sumerian.

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Well, this is what he was saying. And this is a guy that speaks and knows many languages and is a legitimate expert in ancient Bible texts. In Aramaic, he was explaining the difference between Arcadian and Sumerian.

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So here's the question. What's the problem with having a coin? Because there's a bunch of those coins. And the thing is, like, it's unfitting of a president. I get that argument. That makes sense. You know, he's you shouldn't do that. You're you should be really concentrated on running the company. Shouldn't have some obvious like money grab.

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cuneiform he's a legitimate language expert and he said i learned all these other languages but sumerian was so hard it just doesn't work i just couldn't figure it out and he said i don't think that zacharias hitchin could read it i think a lot of people say they could read it and they're lying he says i think there's very few people that can actually read sumerian text who can

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I'd like to ask him who can do it. I mean, there's courses you can take, but he says it's insane to grasp because it's not connected to any other languages. He's like, there's a lot of these languages that are similar to other languages, and you can find patterns in them. He's like, it's so nuts.

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So when even we're getting a translation of the Epic of Gilgamesh, which was in, I think that was in Arcadian, right? Arcadian, yeah. Arcadian, brother. Yeah. That's before Sumerian or after? After they conquered Sumer and their languages sort of intertwined, he explained. But who the fuck knows? No one even knows what any of those words sounded like. No one can say it out loud, which is so nuts.

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That language is so gone that you can't say it out loud. So when someone like Zechariah Sitchin comes along and he has detailed explanations for all the things that happened and that this planet called Nibiru had these beings called the Anunnaki who come to Earth and they genetically engineer humans and they knew about our solar system and all this...

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I don't know how he's getting that because other people aren't getting the same thing. And there's a website called SitchinIsWrong.com. And so I don't even know if this guy's right. This is the problem. I think this stuff is so weird. Yeah. The earliest versions of the origin story of humanity are so weird that I don't think anybody really totally understands how to interpret them properly.

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Right.

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Right, right. You're right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

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Right. It's like that movie Going Clear when the writer, was it Paul Haggis, when he gets to the top levels and then he reads the fucking handwritten notes.

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Well, I think for a lot of people, it helps them become successful. I think having a religious framework helps you become successful. I think it's one of the keys to these Dagestan fighters in the UFC. Yes. Yeah, they're so religious and devout that they're so disciplined. They don't deviate from the path at all. And because of that, they just keep winning.

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That does make sense if you're talking about, like, the Egyptian story of, like, going into the afterlife and all that stuff. Like, they have it all mapped out. We got all the information. Relax. Go to work.

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Okay, so that's his. So he owns 80%. So here's the thing. If they don't sell... If the person who owns the coin, say if you made a Metzger coin, and the Metzger coin was worth $36 billion. Congratulations. You are so rich. By the way, here's the thing. It's also now only at $5 billion.

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Well, I think anybody that's in power thinks they should stay in power. Like a mayor that's getting voted out. They think they should stay in power. Everybody who's in power wants to stay in power because that's the game. The game is to get to the top. The game is to get to the top where you're the one who gets it. Ladies and gentlemen, the mayor of Dallas, Texas, Bob Smith.

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And he gets up there and says hi to everybody. It's the mayor. It's our mayor. He wants to stay that guy. The Koreans call it squid games, Joe. Have I told you about Hot Tool Coin? But that's what it is. It's just a normal thing. And once you're in power, you want to stay in power.

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And that's what we saw during this whole election was that the people that were in power, we got to see it wasn't even the guy. We thought it was the guy. We thought the guy wants to get in power, so he's got the staff. People are like, that's OK. It wasn't even the guy. It was the people around the guy that we didn't vote for.

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It dropped from $36 to $5?

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It's so crazy to say that a giant group of people that can easily be manipulated behind the scenes are now in control of everything. And they just slide executive orders into front of this senile man who was deemed not fit to stand for trial.

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By the way, every talk about Hawk to a coin. Is that what you meant?

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What about Melania coin? Yeah, coffee?

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Cheers, sir. How much do you think Melania coin is going for these days?

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This is the way they'll compromise me. They'll come to me with a JRE coin idea, and they'll explain to me. There's still NFTs out there, dude. That was the best one. That one was like, you can't do it. You can't explain it to me in a way that makes sense. The only thing that makes sense is Beeple, because that's an NFT, but it's actually digital art. Beeple? That guy.

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The guy who made the GigaChad. The Elon Musk that's jacked. If you haven't seen that, it's amazing. We should probably have that on the desk again. Was it distracting? Is that why we took it off the desk?

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Really? Yeah. I thought we had it on the desk unplugged when he gave it to us. Maybe, yeah. Yeah, you're right. It never was on the desk. But also, that's the Shibu Inu.

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Yeah. Wow. That Shibu Inu coin, how much is that worth right now? This is what we were talking about before, that if you put $1,000 into it when you started, it's worth like a shitload of money now. And I'm like, is that real money or is that like... Dogecoin and this coin and fucking meme coin. It's all magic, Joe. Right, but that's what I'm saying.

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Like, is the $36 billion that bought the Trump coin, is that real money? Or is that a bunch of, did you sell Shibu Inu coin to buy the Trump coin? Did you trade it in Trump? I mean, what is that?

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How much do you have in it?

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well if you do i mean look but is that ultimately good is it ultimately good to have cryptocurrencies that aren't no one's in control of maybe they're all volatile and crazy and moving all over the place but it's not a central bank that's dictating the interest rates and telling you what you can do you know what i mean it's not something okay let me ask you this how how can i check to see that it's not controlled look at these giant spikes when people just fucking cash out 2021

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So 2021, it was worth how much?

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I don't disclose stuff like that. He gets in on that stuff. Well, if you can get in... I had to catch the tweet early. Friday night. I knew you did, you son of a bitch.

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No, no, no.

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Okay. So what is it worth at that time?

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So why did I read that thing about people that you bought at a certain point in time?

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No, I think they were saying if you bought at the beginning.

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But if you bought $1,000 worth at the beginning, what's that worth now? Can you calculate that? No, I don't know. I don't know. It's a lot. The point was, in this stupid thing, was they were just talking about the volatility of these meme coins, how crazy it is, and that some of them actually proved to be profitable. And so the question is, we have so many of them already.

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What's to stop people from doing it? I could see someone saying it's unbecoming for a president to make a big money grab and start a meme coin. That I could see. I see that argument. But my question is, who's allowed to make them? If you have a Shibu Inu coin and a Doge coin, you have a Hakutou coin, how many of them are there? Let's find that out. How many meme coins are there out there?

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And what's the rules? I'm not saying that anybody should or shouldn't be doing this. I want to be real clear. What I'm saying, what is going on here? And how easy is it to make one of these things? And can anybody do that? Yes. Yes. Anybody can do that. So isn't that fucking weird?

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And is that weird and bad or is it weird and different or is it better than having a central bank that's controlled by something that's supposed to be the Federal Reserve, but it's not federal?

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Jamie's gonna just show up with, like, fucking velour pants on in a Ferrari. I wasn't that early.

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Right. You can make a coin. And if you're the president, you can make a coin. You make $36 billion off that coin in a day or two. Or it's worth it. Or it was, and it went up and down.

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But couldn't you use that money that's in that account to get loans off of and stuff?

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But imagine if you have Trump coin. Let's imagine. I'm not saying that anyone's doing this. But let's say we do a JRE coin, and the JRE coin is worth $3 billion. And we decide, okay, we're going to take some of that money and not sell the coin, but use it as collateral for a loan to build a $2 million new studio.

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That's what Trump, that's what they're saying.

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That does make sense because then you're essentially crowdfunding the organization and as long as he's not selling the coins, the question is like, when does it become a problem? Like, first of all, no one's making you buy into this. So it is what you say. It's legal gambling. Because you're putting money in thinking you're going to get more money.

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I don't think I'd have one.

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You're going to be able to find a moment where you're going to cash out. And I know a guy who got fucked doing that. where his guy sold it at the wrong time and he lost a shitload of money.

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He got fucked because he was trying to cash out and he missed it.

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No, but isn't that a weird thing about people is that there's always – it always – In every fucking stretch of the earth, someone figures out like a system where there's a group of rules and laws and there's gods and it controls people.

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The whole idea of having someone like Rockefeller figure out the education system is so wild.

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Don't think it was an autocracy. Right. There was a few people involved. A bunch of plutocrats. They had a design. And that design could have been different. And who knows what we'd be like if it was.

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But here's the other thing.

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I think there's some aspect of school forcing you to sit in those classes. Socialization. Forcing you to pay attention. But there's some aspect of that that really gives you the motivation to not live that life.

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That's how I felt.

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But don't you think that's what makes like musicians, comics, artists? That's what makes, it's like the resistance to want to be in that world.

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They didn't just cash in, but a lot of those special interest groups cashed in.

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Okay, but do you know that the ducks actually walk over to the feeder? Do you know they gravitate? They want that to happen because they want to have full bellies. It's gross that they do it the way they do it. But the ducks want it to happen.

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Bourdain told me that. I'm like, no way. He showed me a video. I was like, this is crazy.

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Yeah.

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Right. Yeah. Because what was the final tally for the amount of money they spent? At first they were saying it was $1 billion, but it's more. I think now they've got it at $1.5 billion. Yeah.

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What are you talking about? How medicine was invented? Well, it was mostly the the Rockefeller method was they were using oil, right? Wasn't that like he converted? Yeah pharmaceutical drugs to a petroleum based a little gold in it wasn't that like his did yeah under his direction I

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The guy with two different color hair. Well, the first guy's the weird one, because the first guy had like five phones, His house was professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in his house. He had no online social media profile, and he was 20 years old. Yeah. And he was in a BlackRock commercial.

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And there was some sort of metadata from a phone that traveled from outside of the FBI offices in D.C. to him on multiple occasions.

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It's a girl. I mean, that guy was the perfect Lee Harvey Oswald. They'd scrubbed his past. There was nothing there. But you know how nutty that is if he pulled that off? We're in an alternative timeline. We're in an alternative timeline. Seems like the same old timeline to me. No, no, no, no, no, no. The timeline took two big shifts. Mark Andreessen brought this up, and I think he's totally right.

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The first big shift was Elon buying Twitter. That was a big shift. The second big shift was that bullet missing Trump. Those are giant shifts. Okay. Different timelines. Because then he wins. And then when he wins, and then now he's trying to figure out what the fuck is going on.

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Did you see that thing that I sent you? I think I sent you, Jamie, where they were explaining how this new technology's mapped out 55,000 NGOs. Did I show it to you last night?

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Smart. It's important when you're in Hollywood to vote right. If you want to get ahead in your career, you have to vote right.

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6754.972

Yeah. It's so crazy. What's an NGO? Non-government organization. So that's the shadow government. So the government is funding non-government organizations. This is what's nutty. So fractal technology maps...

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Previously hidden connections between 55,000 liberal NGOs revealing how tax dollars allegedly flow through major institutions like Vanguard and Morgan Stanley to groups like the Chinese Progressive Association. This breakthrough tracking system can now monitor every dollar going to every NGO, exposing intricate funding webs that traditional tech couldn't detect.

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Example, Black Voters Matter Fund's $4 million distribution network was invisible until quantum mapping revealed dozens of subsidiary organizations. The unprecedented mapping reveals a previously hidden web of financial relationships. So if you look at this crazy web of financial relationships and what is being done with all this money, it's just like shell corporations.

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68.411

Hey, man. That guy's great, too. Hal Franken's a great guy.

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It's like this convenient way to hide where all the money's coming from. And then this was a big part of what you were saying, like how much Kamala Harris spent in the $1.5 billion. A lot of it was to groups. A lot of it was to NGOs. Literally gets their payout.

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The most egregious example, whether it's true or not, we haven't been able to substantiate that celebrities were paid to endorse her publicly.

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Well, also, like, it looked weird. Like, the Beyonce thing was weird. People thought they were going to go see Beyonce perform and Beyonce talks for 10 minutes and makes $10 million.

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Yeah, have her tell you how to vote without singing. But also, it's like, did you really do that? Like, did you really? Once more. Yeah. Did you really fucking pay someone? Is that legal to pay someone to endorse you? That seems crazy. It sure is. To get a famous person. It's one thing you want to endorse a Toyota. It's just my truck. I really love these Toyota Tundras. They're so reliable.

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6886.625

It's an awesome car. But it's another thing to endorse a political candidate and to be paid for it openly. That seems crazy.

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50 Cent turned down Donald Trump's $3 million offer to perform at Madison Square Garden rally.

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Yeah. Well, someone knows the truth. There's got to be paperwork. You know?

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There's got to be paperwork.

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6961.28

So weird that it's legal to just flow money. And I think that's a part of this whole spending freeze. Right. Isn't that a part of this whole government spending freeze?

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6995.092

That's wild. It's just so wild that there's so many of them they do multiply and it creates this like Ecosystem of people that are there to support a very specific thing because their livelihood depends on a pyramid if you will Yeah, and well, this is another thing that did did this happen or did someone propose?

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Banning federal workers from posting on social media and this was to prevent astroturfing The idea was they'll get around it. But this is the idea. The idea is there's no federal funds can be spent on

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702.49

How Kamala Harris burned through $1.5 billion in 15 weeks.

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paying a federal employee and that federal employee then pushes propaganda wait but i thought we have um you know military to do that for us but the idea is they're going to stop political parties from doing that they're going to say that you can't do that anymore so you can't you can't AstroTurf. You can't like send a bunch.

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7047.554

You have to hire a bunch of people that send a bunch of things and you're paying them because they do pay social media influencers. You know that, right? They've offered to pay people to endorse.

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In general, all federal employees may use social media and comply with the Hatch Act if they remember the following three prohibitions. On duty or in the workplace prohibition, employees may not engage in political activity while on duty or in the federal workplace. But they can do it when they get it home. I think this was something that Trump proposed. Oh. So pull that up. Yeah. Trump proposed.

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7088.655

Trump's first order, hit workers, construction, AG, federal, no. See if you find anything on that. Because someone was talking about it last night at the club, and I said, I got to find out if that's real. That sounds crazy. And they were saying that it was to prevent astroturfing. But if you say that federal employees, including, like, congresspeople, they can't... AOC can't post on Twitter?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7110.403

That's crazy.

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7125.601

Don't you think that the solution is that Of course, everyone can post on social media because you have to be able to explain yourself. And to limit someone's ability to explain themselves while they're a federal employee, that's a weapon that you could use against somebody. So they all have to be able to. But they should probably have to only post with their site. That probably should be a law.

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713.115

She's pressed for more cash since the election, which is crazy. She's asking for cash.

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7146.053

Like they can't have sock puppet accounts. They can't have bots. They can't hire a bunch of people to post stuff for them. That should be the thing.

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7163.304

This is the question. Should there be a law against hiring a bunch of people to pretend that they're regular people and post stuff for you? You know, I mean, should there be a law?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

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Right.

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Go back. I couldn't see it. Federal workers posting their strategy to clog up The works in revolt embodies exactly why the U.S. population is so eager to jettison so many of them. I don't know how true this is, but. Well, I'm sure it's. Well, there's a lot of people that are complaining about having to go back to work.

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What is it saying? The act of simple sabotage? Yeah, you've seen how to like. Put it up again. The CIA has you covered with their art of simple sabotage manual. The main points can also be found here in case you would rather not be accessing a sabotage manual hosted by a spying organization's website when said organization is now part of whatever the hell this administration is.

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To summarize further for anyone too lazy to click either link, organizations and conferences insist on doing everything through channels, never permit shortcuts to be taken in order to expedite decisions. Make speeches, in quotes. Talk as frequently as possible and at great length. Illustrate your points, in quotes, by long anecdotes and accounts of personal experiences.

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When possible, refer all matters to committees for further study and consideration. Attempt to make... How wild is this? Yeah.

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729.671

Right. They said we need money because they just overturned Roe v. Wade.

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Advocate caution, be reasonable, and urge your fellow conferees to be reasonable and avoid haste, which might result in embarrassment or difficulties later on.

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7355.604

And that's what I was trying to... In making work assignments, always sign out the unimportant jobs first. See that important jobs are assigned to inefficient workers.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7386.239

Right, but what is it titled when you click on the first one? Yeah, that one. Supervisor told us to stop posting on Reddit. The CI, no, the Simple Sabotage Act. Oh, that's not... The Art of Simple Sabotage Manual. But this was the manual. So what we're reading is straight from the manual. The Art of Simple Sabotage Manual. It seems like a way to clog up the gears of society.

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And look, if you're a George Soros type character and you're funding these ultra-liberal progressive DAs to leak crime back out onto the streets and be as lenient as possible... That would be a way to do the same kind of thing. Yeah, such as him. The same thing as keeping the border open. Don't check no one. Let the gangs in. Have sanctuary cities where you don't even arrest the gangs.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

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How much do they got to do it on purpose before you figure it out? Well, it seems so on purpose when Trump cleans it up like that. That's when you know. That's when you know. The Art of Simple Sabotage. So this is on the CIA's website. So Jamie, now your computer is fucked. I can't believe you clicked that link, you son of a bitch.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7453.974

So they were teaching people to do their jobs badly. OSS, it's like when you're on a union job and they're like, hey, slow down.

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7462.318

Everything's mafia.

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Yes.

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7474.488

Yeah, this is really interesting. Telephone. At the office, hotel, or at telephone switchboards, delay putting calls through, give out wrong numbers, cut people off accidentally, or forget to disconnect them so that the line cannot be used again. Yeah, we have AI to do that now. They were doing this way back in the day, trying to make things work shitty. It's demoralizing, isn't it?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7495.872

It's demoralizing, and it keeps people from figuring out that you're doing something.

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7503.564

What a fucking bizarre world we live in that this stuff is being revealed now for the first time in mainstream life. Because all throughout history, if you were talking like this, if we were in the 80s and you were talking like this, you were a fucking crazy person.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7534.487

Yeah. And people didn't want to be labeled a fool. So you didn't want to be labeled a conspiracy theorist. And so it shut down the conversation.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7576.465

No, it was the word got muddy. Yeah, the word UFO got muddy.

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7583.53

Oh, you assholes. No, a lot of things muddied that word. The people in charge. But UFO was also muddied by crazy people. I know. They're useful to help muddy waters. Listen, man, they do it on their own. There's a lot of people that do it on their own.

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A lot. That's true. If they do have secrets, that's true. But what I'm saying is that the UFO stuff was muddied up with the same reason why the Loch Ness stuff was muddied up. It was like people that got high at parties and annoyed the shit out of you with Nessie stories. You're like, enough. You're a fool. You're wasting all your time paying attention to something that's not real.

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I think that they needed to do that in order to slowly leak what they already have.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

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You were lying to Congress. So if you lie to Congress, you're in trouble. They own Congress. But this is the thing. If it comes to a trial and it gets exposed, some people get sent down the river. Some people get sacrificed. That's probably what happened with Epstein. Of course.

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7702.818

Yeah, you were telling me that last night. That is so crazy.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7708.722

Boss Hogg for the Dukes of Hazzard. He played a moron.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7728.636

Find a boss hog on the Dukes of Hazzard.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7735.622

Are you allowed to play Hogan's Heroes on TV? Because they have a bunch of swastikas. Swastikas? Are you allowed to? Yeah.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7747.429

You know Chase has a swastika for a logo, right? What? Hold on. Hold please. One step at a time. You're scattering on me. Brooke was fluent in English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Russian, and Italian. Holy shit. They also said that he fussed with a half a dozen other languages such as Arabic, Mandarin, Chinese, Dutch. Persian, Polish, and Swedish.

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One of his hobbies was moving into and restoring rundown houses. In 1981, he lived in a modest home on a modest street in Los Angeles where he did his own gardening and carpentry. He called his Boss Hog character despicable, but enjoyed meeting fans of the show. Guy did not like Strom Thurmond. Despicable.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7787.374

Oh, that's crazy. Well, actually, that probably... Oh, he wore padding to seem fatter. Just Google a scene, Boss Hogg on Dukes of Hazzard. Let's watch a scene. He was definitely a little fat.

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7809.216

My question was, you can't show the Dukes of Hazzard anymore because of that fucking General Lee.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7829.193

Ah! Ah! Bread! I hate bread! Look what you did to me! Hey, boss! Hey, boss! Listen, boss. I just come in to report that... Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! What a horrendous gunshot wound. How come you're still standing? All right! Which one of you cutthroats done shot the boss in the gizzard, huh? Will you hush up, you doo-doo? That's just paint! What? See? Hey, that's just paint.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

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This shows you the evolution of culture, because that might be one of the dumbest scenes I've ever seen in my life. It's amazing that this was a popular show. He's mocking a guy he doesn't like with that voice.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7872.068

But that show, that show's so bad. Like, at least that scene in that show is so bad. But the point is, because of the General Lee, because of the Confederate flag, they pulled it off of television. Yeah, right. So you don't see it anymore.

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The little rascal supposedly. I don't know if that's true or not. I don't know if that's true or not either.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7965.157

Well, I think there's a whole bunch of factors, like we talked about with the Special Forces guys. There's a whole bunch of factors that wanted to get rid of him. Yeah, shell companies. He seemed to be doing a lot of the same kind of things that this administration's kind of doing, like trying to clean house. They tried to shoot Trump twice? Yeah.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

7986.926

That's what's nuts about the whole JFK story is that he openly talked about getting rid of the CIA. I know.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8005.971

Yeah. Why would you only have one guy do it? Especially back then. Like back then, it was so easy to keep a secret in comparison.

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8024.944

Yeah.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8047.856

Well, it's all fact. Operation Paperclip is a real thing.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8056.358

It's funny that people don't want to admit it. It is interesting. It's interesting that it puts so many other things into question.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

807.511

And the more vaccines you get them, the more easy they are to program.

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8097.442

And he told you. intellectual gymnastics. They're just doing intellectual gymnastics. They're playing around with ideas and they think they're smart enough. Their ego is so silly that they think they're smart enough to take in a logical thing and promote it as logical because it makes them look like a contrarian or like an abstract thinker.

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8118.147

You make your money by being a bullshit artist pretending to be a rebel.

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8140.066

Isn't it interesting that we always know that that has been the case throughout history, but we don't want to believe it's happening with the elites of the world now. Like in our minds, we want to separate the people of today from the people of the past that did the same thing over and over and over and over again throughout history.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8156.743

I got to wear a Hawk Tua hat wherever I go.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8175.967

Didn't she make a statement saying she had no idea what the fuck was going on? Like she didn't understand...

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8195.755

That's what they did with Hot Tua. How many different crypto coins are there, Jamie? Did we find that out?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8215.376

How much money are you putting behind it? But this is the thing. It's like if you're a crazy person that invested in NFTs. I am. If you're one of those people that gets in on these things, like why wouldn't you get in on this stuff? It seems like some people are probably – You're probably better now. Just like some people are professional poker players.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8265.418

Okay. But. Here's the big question, though. Where's the money coming from? If it's worth a billion dollars, is that real money? Has someone spent a billion dollars?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8277.826

Is that true?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8281.008

Wait a minute. Really? So you can start a coin, but you need a billion dollars of real money? That's the pump. Jesus Christ. You've got to pump before you can dump. So it's actual money or is it crypto money? This is the question. I was saying, does the Trump coin, did people take their Shibu Inu coins and buy Trump coins? It almost doesn't matter.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8301.722

It does matter because if you put it on your American Express card at the end of the month, you're going to have to pay.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8328.879

Here's my advice. Don't go into debt. That's what Poor Dad used to say. Real freedom is the ability to do what you want when you want to do it.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8359.571

That's the weird thing about getting wealthy is you have to meet other wealthy people.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8367.776

It's so weird. Yeah. It's so weird because... I'm pretty normal. I'm pretty much the same person. Well, we'll get to you. I'm a better version of who I used to be. That's what I strive to be. That's what I think I am. So if that's the case, what is the draw of being a part of these elite groups? Because people want to be a part of this. You want to be in the secret media.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8394.434

Yeah, you want to go to the conferences and speak at the conferences and be around all these other rich ballers and rub elbows with all the elites.

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8430.496

He tweeted something ridiculous. I read that. I was like, this does not even make logical sense.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8442.105

One of my favorite things was when the Bernie people were mad at Bernie for making money off of his book because he made like a million bucks off his book. Yeah, right. They're like, oh, you're a part of the problem now.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8460.215

I think the idealistic perspective of what he was trying to do makes a little bit of sense.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8470.836

Well, they were worried that he was going to. They were worried that he was going to be able to make it into the actual White House, which is why they sabotaged him in the primaries.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

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They were worried. But don't worry. He would have thrown it. That was my first attacks when CNN said that my show was sexist and racist and transphobic and homophobic. Yeah, you know those Bernie bros.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8490.094

Oh, that's a catchphrase. A Bernie bro. Right. You turn him into a scumbag. You turn him into like, or a clown. A Bernie bro.

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8525.774

Well, it's not as old as I thought it was, which kind of throws my whole fucking theory into a muncher.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8531.859

That's what we say in the gold business. It still doesn't make sense to me that even thousands of years ago, we all agreed on these stupid metal coins. But it does make sense that you kind of need something, like if it just logically...

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8566.601

The rain's going to wash it away. Salt was worth so much money because you could preserve meat with it. Otherwise, you couldn't have meat because they didn't have refrigeration. So they would take everything they would cover with salt. So salt kills bacteria. I should probably eat more salt to preserve my meat. Well, people think that salt lowers your or makes your blood pressure higher.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8584.53

There's like so much stupid shit that's connected.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

859.783

And it's like a 30-year-old woman.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8592.714

Well, it got lumped into that whole thing where they were trying to connect saturated fat and heart disease because of sugar companies. What you live through when they flip the polls on what's good and bad like several times? Well, that one's documented, right? Because that one they actually – they bribed scientists. The sugar industry bribed scientists to lie.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8614.19

Yes.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8614.85

And so that flipped it on. And then they were looking for other reasons why people were getting fat, other reasons why people were having hypertension and all these different things. And salt got thrown into the mix there. But the problem is salt's an essential mineral. It's like a very important thing for human life. Yeah, like carbon. Yeah, you fucking actually need it.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8634.402

You should put salt in your water in the morning. Take some Celtic salt, sprinkle it in some hot water in the morning, and squeeze a little lemon in there. It's fucking good for you. Salt's very important.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8648.234

You should get sun. Get no sun on your- It's super important. This idea that the bad skin cancer that people get, from what I've- Jimmy had it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8658.203

He did. Yeah.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8662.066

Yeah. And the kind that's bad generally you get because you're not exposed to the sun. When you get exposed to the sun in like a big burst and your skin's not prepared for it. What a blooper they made with that one. They blew that with so many things, man. With the downplaying the, uh, the, the positive impact of exercise and diet on health.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8681.941

Do you want to pretend that all health comes from a fucking injection? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8687.067

How about global health people, the people that aren't healthy? How about that? How about look at them and you go, that guy's not healthy. You don't want to fuck Peter Hotez?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8701.674

And look at this fucking... Well, when I had Peter Hotez on and we talked about food and diet, I was like, this is the most crazy unscientific... I was very kind to him about it, but I was like, you don't eat well and you don't take vitamins? Yeah, take that lab coat off, motherfucker. And you don't exercise? This is crazy talk.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8719.498

This is absolutely crazy talk because there's a fucking giant amount of scientific literature on the positive impact of all those things. So if you are not addressing that science and your only science is I have to stick you with a fucking experimental needle.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8736.166

Yeah.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8738.388

But don't worry about that. We think I would promote it if it wasn't the best thing. Jesus Christ. It's just we don't want to believe that that's how people in positions of authority would ever behave because the responsibility that comes with being in that position where you're the person that informs everybody else.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

874.392

Yeah, they did a – well, they said that they were trying to take these babies and make them immune to HIV. But what they were really doing was making their propensity for intelligence much higher. So you think – And then the guy got arrested for doing it and went to jail and then he got out. But he was like this – well, it's obviously they wanted him to do it. Like the whole thing is like –

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8754.699

And you're knowingly going through this with fucking huge blinders on that even when you get exposed, you don't realize it really is hypocritical of me. Yeah. You know, I should actually supplement my food with vitamins. I should stop eating garbage. He's like a junk food junkie. He was talking to me about getting junk food. He likes to get cheeseburgers and fries.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8774.683

Like, hey, buddy, that's so bad for your immune system. That stuff is terrible for you. That's your diet.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8784.427

Isn't that funny they said that? You know what the most recently think? They said, actually, aluminum in vaccines isn't a bad thing. I thought there was no aluminum. Wait, I thought they said there was none of that. No, there is. There has to be. Hey, here's one. It has to be an irritant.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8825.743

Jehovah's Witnesses.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8838.533

Yeah.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8856.161

The earth is greener now than it was 100 years ago.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8911.458

What's your sins?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8931.792

So I think it didn't work out. The fucking Al Gore movie was so wrong in so many ways. If you go back and watch that movie, didn't he say by like 2005 the fucking polar ice caps were going to be gone? The whole thing was so nutty.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8951.26

Very disturbing. It's very disturbing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8958.504

But it's one of those things, like you're a vaccine denier. It's the same kind of thing. You know what I'm saying?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

8992.065

And you're like, OK, the people right now that are still on Fauci's side that still think he did a great job. Yeah. And then he was there's still people out there that really think that he didn't know about the lab leak theory and that he didn't. didn't coerce people into changing their stories and didn't have the power to grant money.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

90.541

How crazy is it, though, that that was a preposterous sketch?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

900.38

They're literally developing geniuses from the womb on purpose. Hey, so are we. Real weird geniuses. But here's the question. Why wouldn't you do that? If you found out that there was a thing that you could do to kids.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9011.52

They're not going to look into it. They think that Trump is an evil man because all Fauci did was do a good job and he saved millions of lives. Do you know that the vaccine saved millions of lives? You got to repeat that. It did? It saved millions of lives. Not even arguably in there? Millions and millions of lives.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9036.423

Well, here's the thing. It slowed the spread? You're not scientific, and you don't trust the science. I did. And that's why we're having an argument about this, and I have to clap back at you. I think this is called clapping back.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9052.349

We don't even know how many people were saved.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9059.592

Yeah, and someone who's on crack who just films his dick 24 hours a day does have the earmark. Yeah, I mean, the guy did it so wild that it seems fake.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9070.517

He really should have a fucking Twitch channel. He would rule. Dude, Hunter. Just go hard. Your dad's dead. Go hard now. You can go hard now. Get back on the wagon.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9085.083

I'll tell you that. Everybody knows. Everybody knows. But they knew already. That was one of the reasons why they were paying that guy. Why did Biden pardon Bidens that I've never heard of? Because they were all guilty, apparently.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9103.194

A bunch of suspicious activity.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9111.278

What? Shell companies? Yeah. Yeah. The whole idea behind a fucking full pardon, there's almost none left. You want some more? I can get more made. No, probably enough, but go ahead. The whole idea behind pardons is supposed to be there's a crime that you did that we think you served enough time and the president has enough information or whatever. You're admitting to it.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

912.13

No. These kids have been mutilated. Well, sure. But if it's something just so simple as it just elevates your intellect, if there's a gene expression that they can turn on or off and this thing that they can do when the child is in the womb can make the child 25% more intelligent. Right. But they're going to be autistic. Are you sure?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9134.561

Well, it's like this weird power that you have to commute sentences and to pardon people for crimes, alleged crimes that they were convicted for.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9172.729

That's what we were talking about last night. So if Fauci's going to rat people out, that's cool. I hope we stick with it. If they bring him in and they make him sing, the thing is he could perjure himself. If they know something and you say something that is not true on the stand, if you lie, if they determine, now you have a whole other crime.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9191.055

And the thing that they didn't pardon him for is the stuff that happened during the AIDS crisis. I don't know what the statute of limitations on that stuff is. But if you go back and you want to try him for what he knew, I mean, that's the Dallas Buyers Club.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9202.722

If you want to try him for what he knew about suppressing other therapeutics other than AZT, or if you knew that he had the data on AZT and how quickly it was killing people.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9217.28

But in the 1980s and 90s, no one knew what the fuck was going on. There's no internet. There's no RFK Jr. spreading the word with his book. No one gets that information. So that happened for a long-ass time. And then when he tried to do it again in 2019, the single fucking solution is the vaccine and the vaccine only. People will drop their ideological bullshit and get vaccinated.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9247.573

That's a person that's in an extreme position of power that probably got drunk with it and is able to justify a lot of wild shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9270.953

Well, wasn't that also the talk about Ukraine, that Ukraine had bioweapons labs?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9292.894

Peaceful Biolabs. By the way, if mushrooms become legal, somebody please make a product called Peaceful Biolabs. That would be fun. It's like a tribute to the show.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

932.81

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's not, those are nonverbal people. Well, you turn the crank or whatever. It's a right blend of chemicals. But how do we know? We don't know that these people are autistic. They might just be just genius. It might not have a side effect. Wait, wait, wait.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9364.176

Right, but the UAP thing, they don't want you to be traumatized by something more powerful than them. The problem with the UAP thing is it dissolves our faith in government because government is just as useless as us. Yeah, I didn't think they were God. Yeah, if there's something...

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9379.205

From another planet that's so beyond us that it has complete control of our nuclear program, can pre-control of our internet, our grid, controls the population, can't be totally invulnerable to weapons, and comes down and takes over. Well, a superior race.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9415.027

Well, some people panicked, but it wasn't nearly the hysteria. People that tuned in in the middle that didn't know really freaked out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9432.778

Well, it was greatly exaggerated, right? The negative impact.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9438.384

The people committed suicide. That was the thing that we were told in school. They told you people killed themselves from that. Yes. Yes. Yeah, when I was in high school, I remember they were talking about Orson Welles and the teacher in high school was explaining, I'm 90% sure of this, the foggy memory, because I was probably 15.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9454.272

But in that foggy memory, I'm pretty sure they were talking about people committing suicide because of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

946.926

The Chinese ones are the ones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9461.873

See if there's any evidence that people did commit suicide after War of the Worlds. Because look, there's a lot of schizophrenic people, unfortunately. There are now. Back then too, no? No. Okay, while the War of the Worlds radio broadcast is often associated with mass panic, there's no credible evidence of any widespread suicides directly caused by the broadcast.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

948.387

The Chinese ones, where they manipulated the genes. The thing is, there's a lot of geniuses that aren't socially fucked up. They're just really smart people. So what is that? Why do some people have a 9-volt brain and other people have a fucking Tesla battery?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9482.006

The idea of people killing themselves due to believing in Martian invasion was real and is generally considered a myth. though some listeners did experience significant distress and fear due to the realistic presentation of the fictional event. I'm sure that's true. So the suicides is probably what always happens, right? People exaggerate shit.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9555.269

Oh, my God, dude. Imagine.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9560.51

What's the alien look like?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9562.351

Holy shit. Oh, it looked like there was a helicopter above it, dude.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9574.486

I thought I saw a helicopter above it. Let it go for a little bit? Well, it's 10 minutes long. They should do this at the mall in Miami sometime. Look at that. That's amazing. Yeah. Boy, in 1970 or 84, rather, when this was going on, you probably scared the shit out of people. They probably thought the real aliens were actually landing at the Olympics. Finally.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9604.23

Dude, why do we have Olympics again? That's wild. Well, because people want to make money off athletes that work for free. Yeah, it's called eugenics. Look at this. Look at all the lights flashing. Ah! Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9643.337

So they practiced an alien invasion back then. They practiced it in 1984. It's fine. I want to know how they powered that spaceship thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9659.858

So if they could do that in 84 and then the government with all their black ops funds.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9672.486

So you think all these things that people are seeing are ours? Well, the drones. No, the UFOs, the things that go underwater, all these things that fly through the air at insane speeds.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

968.061

Right, but why wouldn't you encourage that kind of manipulation in the womb?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9696.293

How many people died testing that?

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9705.715

This is nuts. There's a bunch of shit. Wait a minute, it says no propeller?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9713.88

Oh my God, how hot does it get? What does it do to your balls?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9716.341

What does it do to your balls? It probably cooks your balls. Wow. How do you not get cancer from that? It affirms your gender and flies you. You're not even supposed to fucking wear earbuds anymore. Everybody's saying the EFI from those. That's why I saw you last night. I was like, what are you doing with Bluetooth earbuds in? It's supposed to be bad for you. Hey, it's too late now, dude.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9735.241

And even the wired ones. I had the shot. The wired ones are like slightly better. But everybody's saying like, oh, yeah, fine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9770.314

So all the blue light that we have in our houses, like with LED lights, all that's bad for you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9778.519

You sound like an expert. I'd like to give you a doctorate. Would you accept?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9782.761

I think you need an honorary doctorate. Can I tell you? From, like, Conspiracy University. I'm a doctor of Hawk 2. Maybe Austin U. Will they open up here? I don't know. Dude.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9797.412

Yeah. See, that's what I thought I saw. I thought I saw a helicopter above it. That makes a lot more sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9808.165

We talked about that yesterday. On the podcast with Jay Sands.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9857.595

Well, doesn't that make sense that if human beings evolve more, we're going to evolve more into weaker and weaker things with stronger and stronger minds, and that's what they look like. They're really frail. He said that when it ran, it almost was like, when it was moving fast, it was almost like it was running into the wind. It was very awkward.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9874.46

He's like, physically, the thing looks very awkward.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9881.865

No, he said that it was making noises, but he was reading its intention in his mind. And when the thing experienced disgust and anger, he experienced disgust and anger. That it was some sort of a telepathic link between him and this thing. So that's the difference in the story. Obviously, this is just... Who fucking knows what really happened? A guy's telling me he met an alien.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9902.279

Well, I look for differences.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9903.16

I'm not saying this definitely happened. Of course. What I'm saying is this is his story. The thing had giant eyeballs that were twice the size of a human's, and it had such a light-colored skin that he thought that it was suffering from hypothermia. And it was wearing military dress uniform. So it was in a pristine, totally clean uniform, and one of the guys in the car said, hey, he has no ears.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9926.28

That's the first thing the guy said. He said, this is what it looked like. He said, although the nose looked a little bit rounder. So he said this thing communicated with him and essentially imparted in his brain memories of the structure of this thing that it was looking for.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9939.425

So it was looking for some specific type of metal that he didn't know what the fuck it meant, and we still couldn't figure out what he meant. Oh, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But bizarre. Bizarre. Right. But if you think of us to Neanderthals, Neanderthals to them, it's going to move in that direction where they're spindly and weak. They're not going to use their bodies anymore.

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#2265 - Kurt Metzger

9985.584

Right, there's like 14 different star federations or something.

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#2197 - Mike Baker

196.889

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#2080 - John Reeves

10002.338

They're going to like this one, too.

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#2080 - John Reeves

10014.308

And I think a lot of now are invested in this. And specifically since the when the bone rush yielded results. And now people know it's true.

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#2080 - John Reeves

10025.232

Undeniably. Undeniably. Steppe bison, jawbones, they're not supposed to be at the bottom of the East River exactly where you said to look for them. What are the odds of that?

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#2080 - John Reeves

10099.292

How will they find them? I don't know.

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#2080 - John Reeves

10129.645

We're going to piece it all together, my brother.

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#2080 - John Reeves

10133.623

See you in a year.

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#2080 - John Reeves

10137.287

No, you're the man. You're the man. Thank you very much. Appreciate you, sir. Thank you, sir.

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#2080 - John Reeves

10141.511

All right. Bye, everybody.

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#2080 - John Reeves

109.221

How many guys are out there right now?

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#2080 - John Reeves

1111.946

And so this is some sort of a joint. Is that a femur? Is that the top of a femur?

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#2080 - John Reeves

1140.836

What kind of utility to do that?

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#2080 - John Reeves

1142.777

What do you mean?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1149.18

I would imagine to get to the marrow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1158.805

Well, I would imagine they're eating the marrow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1161.867

People have always eaten the marrow, and that's how they do it. I mean, if you get marrow now, that's how you do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

117.171

How are they seeing things at the bottom of the East River?

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#2080 - John Reeves

1184.662

So is this Russians?

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#2080 - John Reeves

1199.714

I think the utility of it is just a coincidence, honestly, because it doesn't look like it's been worked at the bottom.

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#2080 - John Reeves

1210.555

I mean, I'm sure they have used some of these before like that for something. But if I had to guess, I would guess that this is just something that they did to get at the marrow where all the good fat is, you know.

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#2080 - John Reeves

122.188

A research vessel?

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#2080 - John Reeves

1226.507

Perhaps.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1227.888

They probably had some kind of metal cups back then.

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#2080 - John Reeves

1235.492

They could have been. They certainly could be some sort of a thing that you could drink out of. Certainly the right size for a good shot of vodka. But so were there supposedly people living in that area back then?

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#2080 - John Reeves

124.049

Whoa.

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#2080 - John Reeves

1268.932

So what do you think is going on?

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#2080 - John Reeves

1279.644

Well, at least we know you didn't come up with evidence that the saw is older than 5,000 years old, which is one of the things that we're thinking.

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#2080 - John Reeves

129.772

So this is one piece, and this is a jawbone, correct? Yes, sir. Of a step bison.

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#2080 - John Reeves

1301.133

How much of a recorded history do we have of that area from 200 years ago?

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#2080 - John Reeves

1305.895

None. So was it mostly like, have you ever seen that Werner Herzog documentary, Happy People, Life of the Taiga? It's about people who live in Siberia right now to this day, and they live this incredibly primitive life. Really all they have is snowmobiles and some hand tools.

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#2080 - John Reeves

1325.642

and uh you know maybe some chainsaws and most of what they do is just living off the land trapping fishing hunting that's it yeah and they you know they're the very low instances of mental illness everybody's very happy all these communities of these people living together just you know surviving living off the land subsistence lifestyle but i don't think there's

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#2080 - John Reeves

1351.34

much historical record on those people you know the people that are alive there right now if they were to die off 200 years from now what evidence is there of them other than you might you might find some stuff that they did you might find some trees they cut down or some some logs or whatever is going to be around still 200 years from now they'll be preserved

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#2080 - John Reeves

1384.758

And it's been worked?

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#2080 - John Reeves

1418.359

Yeah, like let's talk about that. Like what different animals did they say didn't live there that you personally and your company has found evidence of?

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#2080 - John Reeves

143.819

Yeah, and he found another bone, right? Yes, sir. Looks like a leg bone. Yeah. Right there, yeah. So this is his Instagram is Dirty Water Don on Instagram, and that's another bone that they found right there. Yes, sir. And so they know roughly the location, and it's kind of amazing that this stuff was dumped in, was it the 30s? When was this dumped? In the 40s. The 40s. Yes, sir.

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#2080 - John Reeves

1449.585

And they didn't think they were around back then? No. Why did they not think that elk were in that area back then? Because elk are in Alaska. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1459.172

Right. But that's it. It's just they didn't find the bones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1506.05

I think it is important because these museums are run by these academics and academics, unfortunately, some of them tend to be very arrogant. And they want to be able to control whatever narrative they have or whatever information they have, and they don't want to be open about it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1543.422

What does that mean?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1546.925

Oh, with money?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1551.289

Why don't we fucking crowdfund something?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1633.806

And so you've never been given any explanation as to why they haven't done this research? No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1643.346

They just didn't feel like it. Is it because they don't have the resources or it just wasn't a priority for them and this was all done from the 1940s and there's no reason for them to go back and take that stuff and reenact the research or begin the research?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1670.468

I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to do that. That seems to me an incredible opportunity to attain enlightenment on an area that's fascinating. I mean, have any academics reached out to you after the podcast? Not that I know of. How not? How not? I mean, me just finding your Instagram page, I was like, Jesus Christ, how does this guy have all these bones? This is crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1699.427

What is this place? This place seems like, what an amazing, fortunate find that you guys have this one spot, 2.1 acres, and probably a whole lot more around that area that you just haven't uncovered yet, that has this incredible wealth of bones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

171.381

So this stuff was dumped. That's outrageous. That's an outrageous photograph. How dare you, Don. This stuff was dumped in the 40s, and to this day, this is the first time that people have actually gone looking for things, correct? Yes, sir.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1720.29

It's fucking incredible. Yep.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1728.136

What's a spitzer bone?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1736.322

Okay, thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1740.08

We do have the step bison head, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1743.281

We're trying to figure out how to display it. I think I'm going to have a stand built and just have it sit out there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1759.287

Once I get a ranch out here, I'll do that. I'll put it on the ranch truck. There you go. No, that's not good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1778.66

Yeah. What an amazing, amazing spot you have. Do you ever stop and just think how insane it is?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1798.318

No, it's very worthwhile.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1807.867

Well, it just seems to me that this is an extraordinary opportunity to gain some understanding.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1814.09

And that's why I don't understand why these universities or someone hasn't reached out to you and said, hey, we need to really have a full-scale investigation and find out what happened here. This is an extraordinary place. And it may... unlock a lot of pieces to this puzzle as to what happened to humanity.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1838.906

There's clearly some indication that we have a very limited understanding of the history of human beings in terms of What took place where we're starting to uncover these immense structures that seem to indicate that people had very complex construction methods many thousands of years before we thought they were capable of doing that? Many thousands.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1866.226

They'll go back to Itapi, which is buried 11,000 plus years ago, back when they thought people were hunter-gatherers. And that's just what we found. And now they've done through LIDAR that whole area around Gobekli Tepe. They found tons of these things. They're all over the place out there. And that's how many more of these spots are there on Earth that we just haven't found yet. Who knows?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

1891.237

Who knows? And your area where that... Have they done a core sample where they've gone through that carbon layer to find out what year that all took place yet? No. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Running a business ain't easy, especially a small business. You have to wear a lot of different hats to keep things running smoothly. And when you have to do everything on top of hiring...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

191.694

Well, proven true now. It sure has been. The museum still continues to deny it, though, correct?

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#2080 - John Reeves

1918.32

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1941.094

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2013.183

Now, why did they dump those in the East River? They just needed the storage? I don't know. They just had an abundance of them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2033.1

Oh, so some of them they dumped and some of them they gave away.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2037.201

I would imagine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2051.146

Sort of like when we send money to Ukraine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2053.687

It's going all over the place.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2056.568

Right. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2058.008

I've said that many times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2079.179

It is. It is, and it seems like what's happening with your bones and your property and the lack of, I don't want to say if it's a lack of interest. I'm sure they're interested, but the lack of action. It's symbolic of a lot of the problems that we have in our society today. Mismanagement, man. Massive. Massive and a confederacy of dunces that are running the show.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2111.283

Well, that's, you know, they have too much on their plate. Why are they going to talk about some fucking dude in Alaska who's out of his mind? Blowing water into the side of permafrost, pulling out all kinds of crazy skulls. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2160.034

Imagine that being the best case scenario in 2023 with all the information that we have today, with AI, with chat GPT 4.0, soon to be 5, with all the technology we have available, all the understanding that we have available. And we're still just want everybody to just leave us alone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

217.224

And they wouldn't meet with you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2186.745

Yeah, it's better than them helping us. Yeah, we don't want it. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2198.977

Right. I wouldn't trust them anymore.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2200.799

And the British Museum, have they given any sort of an explanation of what they did with that saber-toothed tiger skull? No. Somebody's probably got that in their living room. Yeah, they do. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2245.484

So they were supposed to research them? What were they supposed to do? There it is. Sabertooth Tiger Skull. Wow. A million dollars at auction. Yeah. Wow. That's 2019. I know a guy who has one of those. He's a very wealthy guy. And he actually has a real saber-toothed tiger skull on his desk in a plexiglass case.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2267.815

Yeah, just like that. I think that's how he got it. I think he got it at an auction. Yeah. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2277.243

Good question, right? It's probably yours. He probably bought yours.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2283.386

That was a good-looking skull. That's a good-looking skull. Yeah, his is a good-looking skull as well. His is fully intact. Yeah. No, mine wasn't that good. How many of them do they have that are fully intact out there in the wild?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

232.008

Well, how are you problematic? I don't understand.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2335.856

It's now the 10th largest city in the country. It's a little tiny-ass city at one point in time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2346.342

That's a good question. That's a good question. I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2351.185

I don't know how that shit works either, but boy, they love football out here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2356.167

I went to the UT game. It's massive. Boy. Just the college team out here. Holy shit. Yep. Crazy. Wild. It's like a religion out here. Football is nuts out here. Yep. It's crazy. Yeah. It's a fucking cool place to live, too. Yeah, it's awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

236.883

I think you're great.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

24.729

Ha ha. Mmm. Mmm. So tell me, what the fuck is going on? How is it? How's things cracking? First of all, congratulations on being proved correct and that there are literally mammoth bones, bison bones, all kinds of bones in the East River. You said on this podcast, Dirty Water, Dan went out and looked for them. They found bones. They found multiple bones. It's real. It's very real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2405.945

I've gone down to South Texas to do some hunting. And the place that I went to, they actually found a dead migrant on their property. And he said, it's not uncommon. It happens quite often. Poor guys get lost and try to make their way across and run out of water. They do it in July and just die out there, unfortunately.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

242.848

Right. That's probably the problem. The problem is you're honest.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2441.484

Seems to be the opposite of management. Seems like a concerted effort to flood the country. It sure does. And not just this country. Seems like it's happening all over Europe. It's real weird. It's a weird time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2453.29

This is the only time in my life that I've ever wondered, like really, really wondered and seriously considered the fact that there's some puppet masters that are slowly orchestrating the collapse of civilization.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2484.558

Yeah, good luck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2487.601

AI is going to be able to do a really good job of recreating the kind of conversations that we've had but they're not gonna be able to really recreate human stupidity. I don't understand what happens when people get drunk. I don't think AI is going to be able to recreate, protect our parks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2509.911

I don't think they're going to – there's certain aspects of just genuine human chaos that AI I don't think is ever going to grasp because it doesn't have a soul.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2532.222

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2535.806

It's already going. I mean, I think what we're seeing right now is just really the tip of the iceberg of their capabilities. And I wonder, you know, I had Sam Altman on, who was the head dog at OpenAI, and they kicked him out and they brought him back in. And there's some sort of weird explanation of why they kicked him out. And they were saying that he wasn't forthcoming about something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

256.932

Mark Twain was the shit. Yeah, wasn't he? He really was. Boy, was that guy ahead of his time. You know, a lot of people credit him for being the first stand-up comedian. I didn't know that. Yeah, because stand-up comedy is a truly American art form. And it seems like Twain... was the first guy to do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2561.192

And the concern is that... this artificial intelligence has reached sentience like it can think for itself it can it could act on its own it can create things it can do it literally is a life form now it's going to be it's going to be at one point in time an artificial life form has it done it already it's very possible

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2652.531

Well, then it goes deeper than that. Well, there's a couple ways it goes deeper than that. First of all, in the center of every galaxy is a supermassive black hole that I think is, I think it's, what is it, one half of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy? Something along those lines? So the larger the galaxy, the larger the supermassive black hole.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2680.867

And there's real speculation that if you went through that black hole, you reach another universe with also hundreds of billions of galaxies.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2692.877

each with hundreds of billions of stars each one of those galaxies has a supermassive black hole you go through that another universe hundreds of billions of galaxies hundreds of billions of black holes go through them hundreds of billions of galaxies new universes everywhere and then there's dimensions this is the real speculation when you know when people start talking about uaps and

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2719.87

Alien life, and there's two thoughts. One thought, well, there's more than two thoughts. One thought is that they are us from the future. Another thought is they are us from their people, their things, their intelligent life forms, maybe even artificial intelligence, something that has been created from other galaxies that is... physically transported here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2742.552

And then the other thought is there's interdimensional travel, that there are beings from somewhere that are capable of visiting this dimension that we exist in, but they exist in something. So they are here all the time. They're just here in a way that we have no ability to access them, but they can access us.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

277.695

Cause essentially what he would do is read his humorous works in front of people and they would all laugh. So he would, you know, be playing to the crowd. And, uh, it was one of the first iterations of standup comedy was Mark Twain. And he obviously is very funny guy, very insightful and humorous and so many great quotes from this one individual, you know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2809.321

So these are other supermassive black holes that are just in our galaxy? Yeah, there's the Milky Way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2823.732

What the fuck? Hold on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2829.91

Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2842.775

I don't know. Yeah, go inside that and you find another universe. Yeah. Which is weird that like the universe is so big we can't even wrap our head around it and that's just the tip of the iceberg. The tip of the iceberg is not even a good way to describe it. It's a grain of sand. Maybe it's not even a grain of sand. Maybe it's an atom. Maybe it's not even an atom. Maybe it's a subatomic particle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2867.259

And maybe the whole thing is fractal. So maybe what we are and what this planet is. I mean, I'm sure you've seen when they look at – have you ever seen a map of the known universe in comparison to a neuron in the human brain? See if you can find that. it's entirely possible that it's just constantly, if you constantly expand further and further out, that this entire universe is an atom.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2904.573

It's a part of a much larger organism that exists in another universe that is infinitely large, that is impossible for us to grasp our head around. So that's a brain cell, and that's galaxies. And when you look at that, I mean, goddamn, those things look the same. They look the same. Neural network and the cosmic web, they look the same.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2934.443

And if they are the same, if that is what a brain cell is, and that the entire universe is a part of the brain of an infinitely large individual that's a part of of a civilization that also exists in another universe that's a part of an infinitely large being that's a brain cell of that. That universe is a brain cell of that thing. And then it just keeps going and going and going and going.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2966.933

And even the idea of the Big Bang is just like, maybe not. Maybe it's always been here. Maybe it's just constant. And maybe it's God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

2998.308

It could be.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3001.09

It could be. That's just how... it's sort of designed that the, the thing is designed to like the only reason for us to advance. And the only reason for us to create civilization is that you can't live in where you are without structure. You can't live where you are without agriculture. You can't live where you are without controlling resources.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3024.967

And so then as they fight off the predators, they develop better weapons. As they fight off the Mongol hordes, they develop better methods of protecting civilization and societies. And it just keeps expanding further and further and further, all of it to encourage technological innovation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

304.153

So they left you in the rain, and then nobody has spoken to you since, or what? They don't talk to me. What are they afraid of? It's not even them. You've got to think, this is all done in the 1940s. Everybody who did it is probably dead.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3045.396

And that without that strife, without the problem, like with the problems that we have in the world today, what if they didn't exist? Everyone's like, oh, we'd have utopia. But would be? Would we? I don't know. I mean, it seems like we're designed for chaos. We're designed for constant struggle. And maybe that's like an engine problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3064.398

To further encourage innovation and to further encourage society to progress further and further and that you have to battle against these evil forces. You have to battle against incompetent government. Otherwise, you have no motivation to do better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3098.538

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3124.492

You know, it's crazy. Right. Why are you making them more infectious, more dangerous, more deadly? Why are you taking viruses that were never designed to infect humans and didn't exist in the human population and you're engineering them? Why? So you can study them? So you can get research money? What are you doing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3149.462

I'm sure there are.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3175.945

No, we shouldn't be, but... But we are. But again, maybe that's part of the design of how the human race evolves, that it has to go through these things in order to have an incentive to restructure things and get better. I don't know. I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3196.584

The problem is also our personal timeline of being a human being is so limited and so short that by the time you realize how fucked everything is, it's sort of the end of your ride. Have you ever read War is a Racket by Smedley Butler? No. It's a great piece that was written by a guy who was a general.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

321.689

Oh, so they have more bones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3223.266

who, it was in the 1930s, and at the end of his career, he wrote this piece called War is a Racket, and what he thought he was doing versus what the motivation for these military actions actually were. See if you can find that, Jamie. And it's a very famous piece that was written by Smedley Butler.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3244.035

Yeah, the book's not very long, but this is a great quote. War is a racket. It's always been. It's possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It's the only international in scope. The only one international in scope. It's the only one in which profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3259.284

And he wrote this very long piece explaining all the military campaigns that he was involved in and what they were really about. It was about making things, you know, protecting bankers, protecting the investments of oil companies and all the different things that what he thought they were and what they really were. I spent 33 years in active military service.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3279.295

And during that period, I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for big business, for Wall Street, for bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. And he wrote that in 1935. Wow. Yeah, and he had figured it out by the end of his tenure. When he was looking back at his career, he was like, Jesus Christ, I thought I was doing the right thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3324.481

Real simple. Real simple.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3327.383

Yeah. The wild is a built-in system.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3350.171

Because it was so brutal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

341.545

So they just don't want to address it. So do you have lawyers involved? Like what's going on so far?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3467.475

No, it's a lot of speculation. And until the Younger Dryas impact theory, the main theory as to the extinction event was the berserker theory, that human beings had become such effective hunters. And by the way, this preceded the invention of the bow and arrow. This is the atlatl, which is essentially like a better method of throwing a spear.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3489.575

Like, I have this thing that I throw a ball for with my dog. Yeah, we got one of those. You know what I mean? It's like a cup at the end of it, a long stick, and it allows you to whip that ball really far with leverage. And they had something along those lines that they would throw a spear with. And, you know, you probably could kill some young mammoths with that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3510.65

You definitely could kill some bison with that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3513.712

You could kill some stuff. But kill them all? No. No. I don't think so either. I think it was an impact event.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3560.101

Yeah. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3595.382

So you have the brain that's inside of the skull?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

360.523

Well, this seems like they're going to have to – I mean, there's just too much pressure now. With the fact that they've actually found real bones in the East River, that there's no other way they could have gotten there. I mean, just how else are you going to find a step bison bone in the fucking East River? It's clear that they dumped that stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3604.304

How is it outside the skull?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3620.188

You got a photo of this thing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3630.226

There's a company in Dallas that's going to supposedly bring them back. You know about this? Mm-hmm. They have, I think, an Indian elephant, which has a large percentage of the DNA that a woolly mammoth has, and then they're going to splice that with whatever DNA they have of woolly mammoths, and they're going to recreate woolly mammoths. How far away are we from Jurassic Park?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3659.717

How far away are we from some asshole putting a fucking dinosaur in Costa Rica?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3686.63

And so you think they're trying to do it effectively with William Mammoth first?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3697.118

Yeah, I've always said that if the moment they tell you they can clone humans, the person telling you is probably a clone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3721.148

Well, you know, they're doing it right now with human pets.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3723.95

With people's pets. You can get your cat cloned. You can get your dog cloned.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3733.738

Yeah. Well, there was a group called the Second Coming Project. Yeah. It was a while back where they were trying to use DNA material from the Shroud of Turin to clone Jesus.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3749.123

That guy. I think, though, the Shroud of Turin has been proven to be fraudulent in that I believe it's only 500 years old. So it's not really Jesus' image that was in the cloth. And it looks fake. You ever seen the Shroud of Turin? I've seen pictures of it. It's a little hokey. Yeah. Looks like what someone 500 years ago would make. Look, I found Jesus' covering. This is what he died in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3781.654

There it is right there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3789.476

Yeah, that looks like, you know, when they find, like, the Virgin Mary in a fucking grilled cheese sandwich. You know? Shroud of Turin, okay, is a length of linen cloth that bears a faint image of the front and the back of a man, has been venerated for centuries, especially by members of the Catholic Church, as the actual burial shroud used to wrap the body of Jesus of Nazareth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3817.543

after his crucifixion, and upon which Jesus' bodily image is miraculously imprinted. The human image on the shroud can be discerned more clearly in a black and white photograph, photographic negative, than in its natural sepia color, an effect discovered in 1898 by Secondo Pia, who produced the first photographs of the shroud. This negative image is associated with the popular Catholic devotion

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3844.739

to the holy face of Jesus. The shroud's authenticity as a holy relic has been disputed even within the Catholic Church, and radiocarbon dating has shown it to be medieval artifact, with the main image created via prolonged differential exposure of a prepared fabric to bright sunlight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3866.528

So the documented history of the Shroud dates back to 1354 when it was exhibited in the New Collegiate Church of Learie, a village north of France. The Shroud was denounced as a forgery by the Bishop of Troyes in 1389. It was acquired by the House of Savoy in 1453 and later denounced. deposited in a chapel in Chamboree, where it was damaged by fire in 1532 and 1578.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3894.902

The Savoys moved the shroud to their new capital in Turin, where it has remained ever since. So what is the... What was the years that they found it? Yeah, scroll down a little bit. In 1988, radiocarbon dating by three different laboratories established the shroud's linen material was produced between the years 1260 and 1390 to a 95% confidence level.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3920.977

Defenders of the authenticity of the shroud have questioned those results, usually on the basis the samples tested might have been contaminated or taken from a repair of the original fabric. Hmm. Yeah. But imagine if that's how Jesus comes back. I mean, you know, the whole idea is that Jesus is eventually going to come back when the shits hit the fan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

3944.857

Like, okay, guys, I'll let you try it on your own forever, but now I'm back. I mean, what better time for Jesus to come back when they've figured out a way to fucking make humans out of DNA? That would be a good time for Jesus to go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down. Don't you guys have bigger problems?

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I wouldn't know what to teach it. Because I would want it, if it was going to be me... It would have to make all the fucking mistakes that I've made. And I would try to tell it, hey, don't do that. But you can't, because it has to make those mistakes in order to really appreciate the negative consequences of those actions.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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I was the Lockheed kid, which is probably how I turned out the way I am. But the... The baby, if I had a baby me and I was raising, I wouldn't raise it that way. I'd bring it to the best schools. I'd take care of it, give it hugs all the time. I'd give it all this love. It would have no motivation to be the kind of person that I am today, who is motivated, at least in part, by neglect.

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If that's not reason for the aliens to land, I don't know what is.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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Well, all I'm doing is... All I'm doing is going after what I'm curious about. That's all I'm doing. All I'm doing is approaching and engaging with things that I'm curious about. That's it. This whole thing is run basically with three people and my iPhone. Literally. I don't, there's no, no one's telling me who to have on or what to do.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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And you know that because how you and I have booked these podcasts, just you and me text messaging. Hey, what are you doing? Come on back.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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It's fun. And I think that's part of also the reason why it's successful is that people know, Even though this is on Spotify and there's a massive corporation behind it that distributes it and all that, Spotify leaves me alone. At the end of the line, it's just me and Jamie. I mean, the people that are making this podcast, the people that decide things, Jamie and I, we just have conversations.

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It's just me and him. Just talking. What do you think we should do? That's it.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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That's also why it's interesting. That's also why it resonates with people. People don't like it. Like if you get your news from CNN, Jesus Christ, how many fucking people are behind that thing? How many executives and producers and how much –

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#2080 - John Reeves

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It's hilarious. The way they talked back then was so strange. What a weird way to talk. Why did they all choose to talk like that?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4149.264

financial influence is involved in everything that gets on the air how much incentive do the people that have that are saying those things what how are they being pushed how are they being motivated by progressing their careers along the same path what lines are they not willing to cross what toes they not want to step on what narratives are they are they pushing you don't trust it

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#2080 - John Reeves

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There's just too much nonsense. And also the way they talk, like the way those old timey, they had things to worry about more than just a caveman. Like that's phony talk, right? That's the modern phony talk is the phony talk of the people that are the broadcasters on MSNBC. That's modern phony talk. People don't like that. It doesn't feel right to them.

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When they talk to a guy like you, it's like, look what I found. I fucking sprayed water at the permafrost. I found this. I know this is the guy who actually found it. I don't have to deal with an institution. I'm not dealing with a museum. I'm not dealing with a university. I'm not dealing with a board of investors. You're dealing with one guy. That's what people like.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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Very weird. It's like when they first heard themselves recording, I would like to sound a little more fancy.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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Because it's the only thing that resonates with a human being that's listening to this on the other end.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4240.407

Yeah.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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Yeah.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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That's what we thought.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4249.956

Now it's even more interesting.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4259.349

Could you?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4260.031

Could you? I mean, it's a million dollars for a saber-toothed tiger skull. You know, how much is it? I mean, how many millions and millions and millions of dollars are all the bones that just the AMNH has?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4276.802

How many? How many? I mean, if you put them up for auction? Hundreds of millions. Oh, yeah. A lot of money. Meanwhile, it's just on your Instagram. Yeah.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4289.756

This is mine?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4290.797

Thank you.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4293.739

Oh, well, thank you very much.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4296.08

That's pretty dope. I love it that it's actually the bone. You see here, folks, the chunk has been sawed off, carbon dated.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4309.049

I wonder what kind of a saw they had back then, 200 years ago.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4320.284

It's just so fascinating to think back to 200 years ago, the actual human that sawn through that. And then as it goes through time, frozen into the ground, pushed out with water, found by you, cut and sent to get DNA tested and carbon dated. And then it comes back to here.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4348.217

It seems like it belongs here for whatever reason.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4351.359

Yeah, it'll sit right here.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4355.563

That's not a bad idea.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4362.268

Tapas are gone, that sucker.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4374.625

How many things have you carbon dated?

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#2080 - John Reeves

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Of the bones.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4423.164

Well, you have found evidence of human beings, right? What's that one bone that has a human face carved into it that you've? Yeah, that one.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4437.061

That looks a lot like the Shroud of Turin, by the way. Doesn't it?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4443.985

That's the Virgin Mary in a grilled cheese sandwich. What? Paleontologists told you that's natural? Natural, and I look at it. Cut the shit. Cheeks, nose, mouth, eyes.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4468.727

Or any kind of phone.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4471.349

I'm a boner. Yeah, that does not look even remotely natural. That looks absolutely like a face that was carved into a bone. Why would they say that that's natural? That's so silly. It is. It's so silly to say that because it just makes you look stupid. Because that might be natural under the craziest of circumstances.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4493.256

It might be natural that a symmetrical face with eyelids and eyebrows and cheeks and a nose and a mouth and... I mean, everything about it is carved.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4511.403

Very similar. But the idea that that is natural is just fucking stupid. Come on. Come on. So stupid. Has that been carbon dated? No. No?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4560.615

I mean, it might be. Under the craziest of circumstances, it might be natural. But if you had a bet, if you had to bet everything you had, put it on red or put it on black. I'm putting it on someone had a fucking stone or a knife or whatever it was, and they carved that face. That looks carved as fuck.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4584.861

Yeah. I think it looks at 99.9% of the population. Yeah. Other than people with a vested interest in it being natural. Yeah. Yeah. For what reason? Just to push a narrative? Like why would you say that that's natural?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4619.227

That's so stupid. You have 100 times more than that just sitting in a fucking warehouse that you've never sold.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4672.083

How crazy. Let's show the images of what you have that you haven't sold just so people understand how silly that is. Because you have photographs on the Instagram that show massive amounts of tusks and bones. That's just one day right there. That's just one day. Yep. We'll go and scroll down because show the warehouses Jamie because he's got warehouses What is that the cave drawings?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4700.665

What does that scroll back up that art the one in the middle a little right above the guy with the guitar?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4732.163

I rode an elephant in Thailand. You can ride elephants. They domesticate them. If you treat them right, they'll let you ride them. Yeah. The fossilized creature. The mummy? Yeah. What is that? Scroll down a little bit, Jamie. Down. It's right up here. Is it up there? No, you had it. It's a little down further, buddy. There it is. There it is. What is that little fella?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4768.781

Mm-hmm. Yeah, you talked about him before.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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Yeah.

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Scroll back up a little, Jeremy. Little down, little down, little down. What is that to the right? Yeah.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4827.259

Oh, he carved that into the mammoth tooth?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4858.878

An Usyk?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4860.36

What's that mean?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4861.841

A boxer? I don't know. Yeah. That one guy, the heavyweight champ.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4870.077

O-O-S-I-K. Oh, it's a dick.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4876.181

That's not the first one we have. We've got another one in another room somewhere. Yeah, we have a—what do we have? Another walrus dick. Fossilized walrus bone. I don't know where it is. Anyways, that's— So this is a walrus dick.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4889.43

No.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4891.107

Yeah, which tends to happen with dick bones. Sometimes.

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#2080 - John Reeves

492.819

And what are they doing with them?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4929.93

Yeah, that's right, baculum. That's the technical term.

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#2080 - John Reeves

4985.971

The amount of stuff you have is just absolutely nuts.

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#2080 - John Reeves

499.302

So is it because they don't have the funding to do the work on them and they just want to store them because they're pack rats? Like what are they doing?

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#2080 - John Reeves

4994.601

So this is in the AMNH. This is all your stuff that they think you're going to sell if you get it out of there, which is hilarious.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5042.56

What really fascinates me is the skull on your T-shirt. What skull? The one on your T-shirt. That one? Yeah, that one. Finding some of those there. The problem with finding some of those there, though, that would change everything in terms of, like, who goes and who can look at it. Right? You want another one? Can you fill me up? Sure, I can. We can talk deeper. Right? That's the problem.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5070.431

I think you called him the dude. Yeah, the dude. The problem with the dude is then it becomes archaeology, right? Yeah, dudes are archaeology. Yeah, and dudes mean that the university's common or whoever, government's common.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5152.037

So if hypothetically, completely hypothetically, if they found a dude that's 40,000 years old, then shit gets wild. Sure could. Because if they found this dude in the same level of permafrost where you're finding woolly mammoths.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5186.073

Also, is it anatomically modern? Is it Denisovan? You know, the type of humans that they found in that cave in Russia? Completely different branch of humans?

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#2080 - John Reeves

5203.092

Yeah, they found, I don't know how much they found, but they found bones that are from, I believe this was like, I want to say 2007-ish, 2017, somewhere around there. Real recently, they found this new branch of the human tree that's called the Denisovan. When did they find that, Jamie? Yeah. James is going to look it up. But they were in Russia.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5233.438

There's many versions of human beings that coexisted apparently. And Homo sapiens were the...

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#2080 - John Reeves

5246.689

First portrait of extinct Denisovan human relative created from pinky bone DNA. Wow. Denisovan girl shown with dark hair, piercing eyes, and a broad face. So it was a completely different kind of human being. Not a Neanderthal, not a Homo sapien. Something different.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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More than 100,000 years ago, modern humans in Eurasia lived alongside Neanderthals and Denisovans, two other hominins that have since gone extinct. While much is known about Neanderthals and how they lived, Denisovans have remained enigmatic because only a handful of bone fragments from the ancient group have ever been found. But now they have a good idea of how Denisovans looked.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5286.681

In a study published Thursday in the journal Cell, scientists took DNA from a Denisovan pinky bone found in a Siberian cave in 2008, there it is, and used it to predict Denisovan anatomical features. I wonder how they did that.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5301.025

Yeah. Click that. 56 features that differ. What?

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#2080 - John Reeves

5308.927

Oh, that's all it is? Wow. That little tiny piece of bone. How much Denisovan bones have they found? Degraded DNA molecules from a group of human relatives who went extinct tens of thousands of years ago have been reassembled using a new technique yielding a genetic code for the mysterious Denisovans that meets the standard for modern humans.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5334.891

The findings are based on samples drawn from 40 milligrams of ground-up bone from a Siberian girl's finger. Imagine that. They can tell it's a girl, too. How do they know what gender it is? Why are they misgendering this poor Denisovan?

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#2080 - John Reeves

5351.76

Scientists saw a much less detailed genetic sequence they produced a couple years ago and addressed some of the deep questions surrounding the Denisovans, but they also raised a few new questions, including a basic one. Just how old was the sample that they analyzed? Wow. Is that all they found? Google how many bone fragments have they found from Denisovans. Thank God for scientists.

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#2080 - John Reeves

537.202

Yeah, it seems like it. It is. Well, let's talk about that because one of the things that you have found is a layer of carbon, a layer of dark carbon that seems to indicate a mass fire.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5387.332

In Tibet. Wow. They made it with Neanderthals. Wow. Hybrid bone reveals in live science. Click on that. What year was that when they figured that out? That was 2022. Wow. So from 2008 to 2022, they're finding more and more of these bones. Closest known extinct relatives of modern humans were the thick-browed Neanderthals and the mysterious Denisovans.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5412.453

A bone fragment from Siberian caves, perhaps of a teenage girl, has revealed the first known hybrid of these groups. A new study concludes the finding confirms inbreeding that had only been hinted at in earlier genetic studies. Very amazing.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5427.239

A number of now extinct human lineages not only lived alongside modern humans, but even interbred with them, leaving traces of their DNA in the modern human genome. These lineages included the stocky Neanderthals as well as the enigmatic Denisovans, known from only a few teeth and bones unearthed in the Denisova cave in the Altai Mountains. Click on that now extinct human lineages.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5452.946

How many do they have? They got a tooth. Wow. The scientists have just completed sequencing the entire genome of a species. Scroll up. It was above it. Of a species of archaic humans called Denisovan. The fossils consist of a finger bone and two molars from the 16th lineage.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5480.498

Scientists don't know the precise age of the material found, though the estimate ranges between 30,000 and 80,000 years of age. Wow.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5491.788

Somewhere. Yeah, somewhere along the same lines as the oldest shit you found in the boneyard.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5507.901

Well, that's what's really crazy is that the sheer amount of material that you guys have excavated is just a drop in the bucket of what's still there.

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#2080 - John Reeves

551.773

And that where the animals are, it's so unusual that there are so many bones in this same sort of layer of

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#2080 - John Reeves

562.401

that exist in one place that something had to happen for them to all die in that one spot and this is something that randall carlson has pointed out before um you know they found the other places where i forget where the other places were was it siberia where they found massive amounts of mammoths that were all in one area that seemed to have died instantaneously some of them with like broken leg bones seemed to have died because of an impact or

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#2080 - John Reeves

5626.252

Yeah, and also the thing about this whole climate change argument is climate's never been stable. It's not like before humans it was ever like flat, like you could predict it every year. Oh, September 13th, it's going to be 75 degrees. Nope, it's never been. Never, ever. It's always been up and down. It's a constant changing environment on this planet.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5649.886

It exists within a range where biological life can survive, but... Have you ever seen those structures that they found under the ocean outside of Japan?

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#2080 - John Reeves

5659.732

Fascinating. It's called Yanaguni. And they've tried to say that these things are natural, naturally occurring. But Graham Hancock has dived with them and many other people as well. And there's right angles and there's portals. There's all this stuff down there that just doesn't look at all like something that's natural. It looks like some ancient structure.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5684.324

that was under the ocean a long, long, long time ago. Look at that. There's corridors and steps. They have no idea who made it, why. It's just this immense structure that's underneath the ocean.

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#2080 - John Reeves

57.052

So the museum dumped bones that belong to your property out there in the East River, and they're still out there for people to find. How many pounds were dumped, roughly?

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#2080 - John Reeves

5703.12

I'm sure they do. It's 165 known structure of unknown origin, 85 feet underwater, the southern coast of Ryukyu Islands in Japan.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5718.01

Yeah. Fit right in with it.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5721.593

Yeah. It's insane. But what's really insane is the pathways and the corridors and these things that just don't seem to – the right angles that exist everywhere. Yeah. that just absolutely don't seem to be natural. They seem to be carved. It seems to be something that someone made a long fucking time ago. Graham Hancock is absolutely convinced.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5747.594

He's like, when you swim down there with those things, there's no way. There's just no way. There's no way that that wasn't created. And who knows what it really looked like how many thousands of years ago before the water erosion, before whatever the impact did to it. You know.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5811.632

Especially if you put them in Russia. Yeah. Yeah. If they get a steady population of them in Russia, someone for sure is going to say, do you want to hunt a woolly mammoth? We can make this happen. We can make it happen. How much money do you have, my friend?

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#2080 - John Reeves

5914.48

Oh, it's a pendant.

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#2080 - John Reeves

592.023

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#2080 - John Reeves

5926.651

It's not going to go around this fat head.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5963.416

Imagine if you could follow the timeline of the animal roaming around to being converted into jewelry.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5983.302

Oh, that's a nice one. Yeah. No one's gotten high off this yet.

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#2080 - John Reeves

5993.554

I wouldn't do that to it. But I'm sure you guys do sell them. I'm sure there's people out there that have gone into space smoking weed off of a mammoth bone.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6069.878

Look at that. Oh wow, so he sells them. Mammoth ivory full size 1911 grips. Wow, that's beautiful. It's just crazy that there's so much of this stuff that you can make stuff off of it.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6089.427

Wow.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6097.509

Yeah. No, I'd imagine. And beautiful.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6108.798

Just add sandpaper.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6129.061

Another one?

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#2080 - John Reeves

6136.587

I don't know if you play golf. No, I don't. I'm scared of golf.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6148.333

Oh, wow. Yeah, I've got the guitar picks for Gary Clark Jr. Oh, nice. Ball marker and guitar pick. All right, Jamie.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6158.926

No. You need to mark your ball. I don't have the time. Nah, we could try. I'm scared of golf. I've never played a game of golf. Golf absorbs your time. It scares me, too. Let's play nine holes. Yeah. The nine holes leads to me being a fucking golf junkie like Tony Hinchcliffe and you and Ron White out there playing every day. Imagine the foursome.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6176.676

It would be a good time. I said I'll go with you guys and just get drunk.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6180.699

That's Elora's stuff. I'll do that. All right. Nice. Wow. Beautiful. Incredible. Yep. It is amazing that you could – there's so much stuff that you could make things, make jewelry and make pistol grips.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6227.393

That has a mammoth ivory joint and a mammoth ivory butt cap that my friend Eric Crisp of Sugar Tree Cues makes.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6237.18

Yeah, he's from Alaska. And he has mammoth ivory that he puts inside pool cues. It's beautiful. See if you can Google Sugar Tree Cue with mammoth ivory joint because I know he's made a few of these. He doesn't have a lot of the material, but he's made a few, and they're absolutely beautiful.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6273.392

Well, I'll connect you with him. All right. He's the man. He makes some of the most beautiful pool cues in the world. And he's an interesting guy, kind of like yourself. He doesn't give a fuck. He makes them when he wants to. Sells them if he wants to. I can't give him money. He just keeps giving me cues. I've never been able to give him money for them. I'm like, you've got to take some money.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6295.572

He won't take any money. He'll sell them to other people. Yeah. But have you found one that has mammoth ivory?

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#2080 - John Reeves

6305.356

No images?

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#2080 - John Reeves

6307.597

Yeah, that's his. That's 100% his. I can tell by the ring work. So that's mammoth ivory joint. That might actually be my cue because it looks real similar. So he puts that mammoth ivory. Scroll down a little bit, Jamie. Scroll down. That one right there in the middle? Yeah, click on that. Yeah. I think it's the same picture. That's exactly what it looks like. Wow.

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#2080 - John Reeves

633.334

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#2080 - John Reeves

6330.864

It's probably some other fucking Android phone or some shit from the early 2000s. Yeah, that's what it looks like. It's beautiful. Yeah, that's what you start with, those little shards. It's just so crazy that there's so much of that stuff that you could actually make things out of it.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6353.254

Something big time happened. Yeah.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6356.316

But it's crazy that this particular subject of the mass extinction event, which is related to Atlantis, which is related to the melting of the polar ice caps that... led to some sort of a mass extinction event in North America that all this stuff is connected and one of the big pieces of the puzzle is your property. And maybe one of the biggest pieces that's ever been discovered.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6410.359

Is it mistakes made in the field, meaning that the bones got damaged?

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#2080 - John Reeves

6443.818

Which is so crazy.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6477.999

Jamie, see if you can find the photo from the Boneyard Instagram page that shows that carbon layer.

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#2080 - John Reeves

6489.146

Do you know how far back it is?

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#2080 - John Reeves

6493.573

Do you know, is it old? When did you post it?

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#2080 - John Reeves

6500.799

Okay. You post quite a bit, so it's probably pretty far back in there.

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How far back was the ones that you found?

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How thick is that carbon layer?

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Oh, okay. He'll find that. Oh, there it is. Okay.

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Right there. Right here? No, right there. That. This?

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So here it is. It says something came in hot. This burnt gravel laying on top of burnt bedrock 80 feet below the surface. Topography at the boneyard. Tell me it's not natural. It's the most natural thing in the solar system. Of course it's natural, right? Something came in. Boom. And burned everything. And it's 80 feet down in the permafrost. I wonder if they did a core sample.

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what they would find. Imagine if they did that and they said 11,800 years. I bet. I'd be willing to bet. Bet that's it. It totally makes sense.

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Oh, yeah. I mean, that animal was... They think that might have been one of the animals that kept people from crossing that Bering land bridge, that it was just such a fucking monstrous predator. Far bigger than a polar bear. An immense, immense predator. Like the biggest bear ever that existed and went extinct along with all the other megafauna.

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65% of the North American megafauna instantaneously existed. That's one of the reasons why we have weird stuff here. Like pronghorn antelope. Why are they so fast? Well, they were so fast because there was a North American cheetah that lived here. Wow.

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Yeah. So we had a North American lion that lived here back then that was bigger than the African lion.

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So was there supposed to be a North American lion as far as the?

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That's not enough, fella.

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Yeah. Also, that's a historically important piece of bone. That's a very important piece. And to think that, again, you have just, that's a drop in the bucket. I shouldn't say a drop in the bucket. That's a drop in the fucking Olympic swimming pool that you have up there. I mean, if someone made a full-scale excavation Just really went all in to see what the fuck is going on up here.

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God, that would be amazing.

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Oh, have you had any kind of collapses before?

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When you say the giant, you're talking about the water sprayer.

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It's just so nuts that there's this one area that has so much.

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I mean, 2.1 is like a really big backyard for a nice suburban house.

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So here's the area. Yeah. And this is showing the giant in action as it's spraying. And so do you just spray for a specific amount of time and then just start looking at what's been uncovered? Or do you look at it while it's doing it?

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And then you come back and just start looking around. Wow. It's like looking for Easter eggs. I mean, it seems to me insane that no one's contacted you that doesn't want to do some sort of collaboration with you and do some massively funded thing.

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It says, see, a lot of Ice Age cool stuff emerged from the frozen muck. That's because we don't know what that is.

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Have you found them? Yeah. Yeah?

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Ooh, find that, Jamie. That's wild.

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How old is that?

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You might have like a full Dennis Oven in there.

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Oh, there's a tip.

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But if you found one in a mammoth hip bone, it has to. We found a tip.

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In a mammoth hip bone. Yeah. But don't you think that they hunted those things? Especially if they're above them. Like if you were above them on a cliff or something like that, you could sneak up and throw spears down. They could have.

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And they did it with elephants. Yeah. I know people hunt elephants with bow and arrows. There's a video of people hunting them with traditional bows, like long bows.

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From like the 1900s, early 1900s.

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so maybe some nomadic people traveled with spears they had gotten from somewhere else and they made it to your place because that's where the mammoths were

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They're a fascinating animal. Yeah, they are. We just showed yesterday they reintroduced them to Colorado recently. Good luck, guys.

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No. No, they have no idea.

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I need to make my way out there. If I do, I want to bring Randall.

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Well, that's why I'm scared of golf because I am a good pool player.

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But that's what it takes to play good pool. It's just massive amounts of time that I don't have. Yeah, it's practice. I only have one thing that sucks, my time. And if I was living where you are, my time would be spent spraying water.

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Did you get a bunch of people that reached out to you after the podcast that wanted to volunteer to help?

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Have you thought about putting that thing together?

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7253.892

Like museum style? I don't know. Piecing it together?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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How do they do that? They use like metal to connect the bones?

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Oh, so those are replicas? Oh, yeah. Most of them are just all foam. Well, that's the thing about the dinosaurs, right? They'll have some pieces, and then the rest of it is just kind of bullshit. It's just what they know it looked like and the dimensions that it would be based on the shape of whatever bones they do have.

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It's just amazing that there's this one spot in Alaska and it really makes you think how many spots are like that somewhere else that just have not been explored.

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just makes you really want to imagine what the scene was like when it all went down what the scene was like boom boom when they all just died all at once yeah

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Have you paid attention to any of Randall Carlson's work?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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He thinks it all happened very quickly.

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Yeah, I think he's right too.

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Completely makes sense. Yeah. I mean, if you go 20,000 years ago from us, I mean, look, we think about the pyramids and we think about Egypt and we really don't know when they made those.

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But Robert Shock, who's the guy who was a geologist from Boston University, who did the work on the Sphinx and the Temple of the Sphinx and found water erosion that indicates thousands of years of rainfall after they carved that thing. After they carved that area out, he's like, this is thousands of years of rainfall.

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And the last time there was rainfall in the Nile Valley was more than 9,000 years ago. So you have 9,000 years ago, and then you have thousands of years before that. So now you're in that area. Now you're in 12,000 years ago, 13, 14, who knows? There's also speculation as to when the Sphinx, which used to have the head of a lion, before they carved it and made it an Egyptian head.

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And they think that because the head of the Sphinx is much smaller than the rest of the body, it also has much less erosion. And then they go back to, okay, at what point in time was this thing pointed towards the constellation Leo? And now you're at 30,000 years ago. And they think that might have been when these people had made this thing.

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Yeah, insane.

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Well, 2,300,000 stones that weigh between like 2 and 80 tons. Perfectly placed. The true north, south, east, and west. They align with constellations. You have these shafts that align to certain star patterns. It's like, whoo, what was going down in Egypt?

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Well, I bet there was millions of Elon Musks back then. Who knows? I mean, I really firmly believe that we are sort of a reimagining of human civilization and that human civilization, as it were, when they did construct the pyramids, was probably more advanced than we are today in a different way.

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And this is what Graham thinks, this is what Randall thinks, and a lot of these people think, that whatever technology they had whatever so far undiscovered technology. We don't really know how they carved that stuff. We don't know what methods they used. Because modern conventional thinking is that they only had copper. They didn't even have steel. So how the fuck are they doing that?

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There's also these drill marks, these cores that have been cored out that seem to indicate diamond drills, diamond bit drills, moving at insane rates of speed that have cored out sections of stone. Like, who the fuck did that? Who, how, where, why, when? Even if it really is 2,500 B.C., what the fuck did you use? What did you use? How did you do that?

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It's probably not 2,500 years ago because that's just based on organic matter. It's also based on they find like little pieces of organic matter that they can carbon date that there's no real proof that that wasn't done, that they didn't sort of like resurface things or refix things or try to update things. There's also the hieroglyphs, which is really fascinating because the hieroglyphs –

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They accept the hieroglyphs up to a certain point. And then when the hieroglyphs go back and they indicate kings that existed 30,000, 40,000 years ago, they're like, oh, that's just myth. Like, says who? Says who? Says you because you've written books on this and you've taught lectures and been, you know, you've based your life work on this timeline? Is that why you think that old stuff is myth?

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Because you don't think Ramsey's is myth. You don't think that Tutankhamen is myth. You don't think all those other things are myth. Why do you think it's myth when it gets back 30,000, 40,000 years ago? I bet that's not myth. I bet whatever was going on back then 30,000, 40,000 years ago.

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Those people were probably insanely advanced in a completely different direction than we have gone today. And I think that if you wiped us out and left a few nomadic tribes of people and they repopulated the earth over the next 20,000 years, we'll probably figure out some completely new direction of technology. Yep. You know, I think people get on a path. They innovate on that path.

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And then everybody sort of chips in on all the different inventions that have been previously established. And they make them better. And they refine them and make new versions of them and make better stuff. And then it keeps going and going and going in whatever direction some of our genius heads in.

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And there's probably some fucking insane geniuses 30,000, 40,000 years ago that figured out some stuff that we haven't figured out yet. And they probably were more advanced in that direction than we are today.

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Do they think people were living there 200 years ago?

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Now go 2,000 years before that, and then 2,000 years before that. We have no evidence. You have the burning of the Library of Alexandria. All the records are destroyed.

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Well, that's what's really crazy is that they find older stuff in Egypt that's buried under newer construction. So they build temples on top of older temples. And then as they excavate the sand, they find different construction methods that seem to indicate different ages. They do things differently back then.

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And as they get deeper, the things seem to be more sophisticated, more difficult to make.

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Depends. With modern science, I mean they think that we're going to be able to live to be 150 and thrive. Yeah.

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Yeah, just download your brain into the clone. Imagine a 20-year-old John with the brain of you now, all spry and young.

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Good Lord, that's a lot. I didn't know it was that many.

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Which is probably likely. Could have. Yeah. Well, what Randall and Graham Hancock, what they believe and the Younger Dryas Impact Theory proponents believe is that distinctly something around 11,800 years ago and then maybe something also around 10,000 years ago. But that doesn't preclude or that doesn't dismiss the idea that there could have been one 30,000 years, 40,000 years.

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Got to clone me. We also need to take care of the me that you got right now.

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I'm going to be around a while.

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That's it?

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If you do, if you wanted to plan your life out, what would you want to happen with the Boneyard over the next 15 to 20 years? What's ideal for you? Best case scenario. Yeah.

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Why are you so concerned with those bones when you have so many?

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So they have more there than you have where you are.

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Where was this?

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He used to shoot his workers if they wanted money?

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So here it is. A lifelong opponent of organized labor and his refusal to allow union workers at his mines led to the infamous Homestead Strike of July in 1892, in which 10 men were killed and 60 wounded. The same month, Frick himself was attacked in a failed assassination attempt by a 25-year-old Russian anarchist. Wow. What did Frick do to his workers?

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In June of 1892, he slashed wages, evicted workers from their company houses, stopped negotiating with union leaders, and threatened to bring the Pinkertons, a detective agency for hire that amounted to a private army of thugs.

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It says Frick fired 2,500 of his workers and cut their pay in half of those who remained. At one point, he was named the most hated man in America. Wow. Fucking greed. Un-fucking-believable. Fucking greed. It's always been the fucking bane of mankind.

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#2080 - John Reeves

814.937

There could have been multiple events. Yeah. Could have been. Because of this time that we pass through this comet shower. It's every June and November, I believe.

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And they justify this based on the idea that they're the keepers of this historical record, natural history.

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Do they have human bones at the MNH?

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#2080 - John Reeves

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Boy, if they found out they've been holding on to human bones all this time, too.

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#2080 - John Reeves

8293.409

Probably the people that are there right now probably don't even go in those boxes. So if you're dealing with stuff from more than 80 years ago, who the fuck knows what's in there? It's all just stored, huh?

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#2080 - John Reeves

831.533

Yes. See if you can find that photo, Jamie, because that's fascinating, too, because that seems to indicate that something massive happened.

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839.599

Yeah.

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#2080 - John Reeves

84.626

And they found how many bones so far?

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#2080 - John Reeves

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So your best case scenario is all this gets handled politically. You recover the bones, and then we start putting the bigger pieces of the puzzle together.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

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Is the hope maybe some of the younger scientists that are listening to this realize the potential of these discoveries and start working with you?

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#2080 - John Reeves

8537.651

So these artifacts, do you think that there's just like these wealthy people that keep them in their homes? And then just don't tell anybody. Because that was always the case with Egyptian relics, right? Because we don't even know how many tombs were raided over the several thousand years and where all those artifacts went and what happened.

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#2080 - John Reeves

8561.606

Because we know that when they found King Tut's, when they found his... All of his remains and the sarcophagus and all the gold line this and gold line that. Imagine people found that 500, 600 years ago, 1,000 years ago. Where did all that stuff go? Like did they melt it down? Was it more valuable as gold for them?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

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Prostitution.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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Right. The whole world's.

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#2080 - John Reeves

8661.852

One gold bar, Swiss Lady Fortuna, VersaCon. Members only item, 24 karat gold. Item is not refundable. Limit two per membership. Costco. Gold bars at Costco.com. What the fuck?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

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It says, it was unlike anything we'd ever seen, collection of stolen artifacts to be returned.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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A delegation from China went to Indiana on Thursday to claim hundreds of artifacts that were seized from one man's private museum. He had items from all over the world, everything from ancient jewelry to human bones. Those Chinese artifacts are part of the 5,000 seized from a home in from 90-year-old Don Miller, a man well-known locally for his passion for collecting and global travels.

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#2080 - John Reeves

8725.423

He died in 2015.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

8732.046

Wow, look at that. Look at that axe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

8740.108

So there's probably dudes like this in Europe. There's probably dudes like this in Russia, dudes like this in China.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

8752.03

For sure, this guy. At least one. Yeah, look at that hammer. The hammer and the axe, that's incredible.

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#2080 - John Reeves

8767.736

One dude. Yeah. He's not the only one. Yeah. How many of those dudes are connected somehow to the AMNH?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

880.533

That's actually even more insane, right? So do you think that this is like the water had washed these bodies into a very specific area?

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#2080 - John Reeves

8812.189

Let's see what it says here. These remains were removed from a burial ground in the Inwood neighborhood of Manhattan. Wow. Wow. So for sure they've got some fucking human bones. I just want to know if they have some human bones that they got from your spot. Because if they did, I just think there's got to be some in there.

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#2080 - John Reeves

8857.253

If you've got spear points and you've got arrowheads, God damn it, you've got to have some fucking humans in there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

8874.737

A few additional discoveries came until 1907. The American Museum of National History and College Alaska collected several Panthera atrox skulls in a locality originally found in 1803 gold miners. How do you say that word? Kotzebue? Kotzebue, Alaska. The skulls were referred to a new subspecies of Felis panthera atrox in 1930, Felis atrox alaskanesis.

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#2080 - John Reeves

8908.658

Despite this, the species didn't get a proper description and is now seen as a nomen nudum, synonymous with panthera atrox. Further south in Rancho La Brea, California, is a large field skull. Is that what? No, felid. Feline, I guess. Felid skull was excavated and later described in 1909 by John C. Merriam, who referred it to a new subspecies of Felice atrox, Felice atrox bebe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

8943.396

The subspecies is synonymous with Panthera atrox. Wow. Amazing. Whoa. Look at that thing. Holy shit. Look at that thing. So that's the North American lion. Wow. And bigger than the African lion, which is wild.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

8971.241

Nice. I bet you got a lot more of them under that ground, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

8977.405

I bet you do.

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#2080 - John Reeves

8979.006

Hypothetically. I bet you do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

8983.873

You're allowed to. It seems like they should play ball.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

8988.937

I mean, it just seems like if you guys want to know some stuff, how about there's this one extraordinary area in Alaska that's produced an insane amount of artifacts?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

9075.38

This is a problem with archaeologists. This is a problem that they've found with trying to establish an earlier date for some of these Egyptian artifacts and the Temple of the Sphinx and some of these other things. People do not want to give up any of the power they have in controlling narrative.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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early man in eastern Beringia, late Pleistocene and early Holocene artifacts, and associated fauna recovered from the Fairbanks Mining District in Alaska. Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

9123.599

They wrote it. And what you said here is on your thing, it says, this is a document AMNH said they have no record of. I read it on Joe Rogan Podcast a year ago and identified the spot in the East River where the AMNH dumped approximately 50 tons of My Company fossils back in 1949. It started a bone rush.

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#2080 - John Reeves

9143.568

Though it only took two days for AMNH to issue a press release denying it existed, note that one of the authors, an employee of AMNH, co-wrote it. My goal is to get the remainder of the collection still stored in their basement sent back to Alaska so the scientific research can be conducted on them."

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

9160.939

I'd like to see these elitist snobs hauled in front of Congress and testify under oath about their misdeeds. That process is underway. Alaska is not the only state nation that AMNH plundered archaeological, paleontological, anthropological, and cultural resources and artifacts from. They're doing a disservice for the people that want to understand things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

9184.132

I mean, they are a blockade to understanding how there is this area that you own that has this insane amount of bones. It's insane. And it's a massive mystery. And it's one thing that is so compelling to human beings that want to know what is going on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

92.912

Did I say Dan? Sorry, sorry.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

9208.14

with the history of animals and the human race and also with this theory, this Younger Dryas impact theory, if they can just do a core sample on that area that you have uncovered that's 80 feet down that shows all this carbon that seems to indicate massive amounts of fire and something big, as you said, something that came in hot, and that there's evidence of this all over the world now,

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

9234.761

Because of the research that's been done on this Younger Dryas impact theory, they know that there's a layer of iridium that exists that indicates that something from space, iridium, which is very common in space and very rare on Earth, there's a layer of this shit that indicates we got hit.

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#2080 - John Reeves

9254.002

And if you add that to what you have, this layer that shows some fucking insane event took place in your area that led to all that burning and all these fucking bones, man. How is this not something that they are actively collaborating with you and working together with the scientific community to get an understanding of how this took place?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

9314.539

You really did spend over a million dollars to build a scientific research building.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

933.789

Yeah, the crazy sod bones are very interesting. Yeah. So let's talk about that because we've showed photos on the podcast before and that these sod bones, now you have carbon dated them and they're to when? Here they are. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

9356.488

Yeah. All you have to do is get one piece out and you're a boner?

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#2080 - John Reeves

9360.331

I'd like to be a boner.

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#2080 - John Reeves

9391.423

It's just to me it's so strange that they continue to resist what seems to be inevitable. And the more we talk about it and the more millions of people hear about this, the more it will become inevitable.

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This is a massive mystery. And it's not like a little bit of evidence. You have the most insane amount of evidence I think I've ever come across. And the fact that we're all finding out about this because of social media. What a weird time to be alive.

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#2080 - John Reeves

9423.675

Yeah, but I found out about it through Instagram. I just I don't even remember how I found your page.

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#2080 - John Reeves

9467.812

Well, that's the hope. The hope is that if we can continue to highlight this and just continue to show people this is really important stuff. There's a reason why people are so fascinated by it. We have all been fascinated by the history of the human race and the history of animals and the history of whatever caused these extinction events. We're all fascinated by this.

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#2080 - John Reeves

9493.206

And they're doing a disservice to humanity by not exploring this further. By not playing ball. Yep. They should play ball. They should get involved in this. And they should do so in an honorable way where you don't have to bring in politicians. This should be something that as educators and as the – these are the curators of this information. These are the people we turn to.

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#2080 - John Reeves

95.734

Don. I think it's, is it Dirty Water Dan or Dirty Water Don? It's Don. Dirty Water Don. I'm sorry. That's a risky thing. The guy's diving in the East River. Yeah. That guy's...

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#2080 - John Reeves

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This is one of the most prestigious institutions in the world when it comes to natural history.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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I gladly accept. Let's have this an annual thing to see how much progress we make. As long as I'm the last podcast of the year, I'm down. Yes. That's our tradition. You are the last podcast of 2023. You'll be the last podcast of 2024. Thank you, sir. And my sincere hope— is that they come to their senses and they do this in an amicable way where everybody realizes like this is important.

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#2080 - John Reeves

9556.475

It's bigger than everybody. This is good for the AMNH. This is good for the scientific community. It's good for the curious people like myself. It's good for the world. We really should find out what the fuck is going on and what happened. And I think you have a massive piece of the puzzle, sir. And it's extraordinary.

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#2080 - John Reeves

956.875

So what kind of animal are these from?

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#2080 - John Reeves

9575.519

and i just i'm very happy that you're the guy that you got some hard-nosed who doesn't give a who is willing to stick his neck out and and tell the truth and and also to show the world like just the this is the evidence that you have on your page just that bone with the human face carved in shut the up you know somebody carved that yeah stop playing games what is it

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2080 - John Reeves

9598.59

Just the fact that you've got saw bones, sawed bones. Who did that? Just the fact that you've got an insane amount of woolly mammoth tusks and bones and all these animals that they said aren't even supposed to have been in Alaska, and they clearly were. There's a mystery there, folks.

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#2080 - John Reeves

9666.875

I think so. I think that's why the universe chose you to own that land.

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#2080 - John Reeves

967.39

Oh, really?

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#2080 - John Reeves

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I think that makes sense because I think a lot of people just wouldn't have gone through the lengths that you've gone through. They wouldn't have been so stubborn and determined. And also just the fact that a guy like you is exactly the type of person that you need to do all this work. It's got to be a guy like you. A regular person is not going to be so dedicated to this.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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I timed myself the other day. I pissed for 35 seconds.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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I don't give a fuck about that, though. I don't understand where you're going with this.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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I'm definitely not thinking that.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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I'm thinking where are you going with this?

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#2080 - John Reeves

9894.127

There's no evidence of this letter. Yeah.

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#2080 - John Reeves

9901.155

Well, I think for the longest time they have become accustomed to being the ones who are the gatekeepers of information. And when it comes to this kind of information, a little press release here, a little statement here has been adequate. They've been able to cover their tracks. But in this age of information, that's not good enough anymore.

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#2080 - John Reeves

9935.307

And it's the right thing for all the curious human beings that deserve access to that information because it's a part of the human story. It's part of the story of the earth. It's part of the story of the animals. It's part of the story of your land. It's a part of the story of probably the impact theory that wiped out massive amounts of animals and human beings.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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And I think you've got a piece of the puzzle.

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#2080 - John Reeves

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Well, let's hope that by this time next year, things have progressed. And when we talk about it in December of 2024 for the last podcast of 2024, let's hope we've got some good news for people.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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It has to be so crazy.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Yeah, and that's got to be a gigantic rush.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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I've talked to a few guys that have done that kind of work and they always speak of it with sort of fond memories of how crazy it is. It's weird. It's like it's a very particular type of person that would want to put themselves in that highly stressful, adrenaline charged situation where, you know, any mistake and they find out who you really are, you're dead.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Yeah.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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I'll call Cash. Hey, you think I could come back in? What was the first one that you got, the first assignment that you got where you're like, oh, boy, this is big leagues?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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How did that start?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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You look like an outlaw biker.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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So there's roles for all sorts of different types of personalities and life skills.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Got it. So when you say you work in the bar, what do you mean? You just like making friends with people there? What I did last night here in Austin.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Is it like old habits die hard?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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It's like catch and release. You're like pretending. Yeah, it's still working your gap. That's interesting. So you're always working your skill set even though you're not on the job anymore.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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He's a kook.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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He said I was there?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Well, you're talking to me at four in the morning.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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That's a rough town.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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You've got to think that biker gangs are probably super suspicious of people being undercover because it's such a theme. You think? It's been around forever, the stories of guys infiltrating biker gangs.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Are you allowed to get drunk?

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Really?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Let's explain it. We're talking about the Cellular Performance Institute that my friends run down in Tijuana.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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It's an amazing place.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

201.246

Yeah. So it was right after the Vietnam War, right? That's when all the biker gangs really started kicking off.

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Right.

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Wow.

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Cool stuff. So who was the first person to infiltrate them? Do you know the history of that?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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So it's been going on forever. As soon as they found out. It's like it's been the case with the mob. It's been the case with everything.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Donnie Brasco. Yep.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Hanging out with psychos.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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What was it like when you eventually brought that guy down? It was sad.

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the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day You had a crazy fucking life, man. Like a really crazy life. So to get everybody up to speed right from the beginning, you spent 25 years undercover working for the FBI in the Klan, Nazi organizations, and biker gangs. And then some, yes sir. What a crazy, crazy life that is.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Terrible town.

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Terrible town. Is it? Oh, Bridgeport's dangerous.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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First of all, how did you first get started doing that?

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Whoa.

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You're pretending.

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You infiltrate an organization, pretend to be one of them.

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And ultimately, so when you're doing this, you're buying, you're trying to develop some sort of a relationship or an understanding of how this thing goes down. How do you get to who's selling it to them? Do you have to arrest them first?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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So this is your first one. You get comfortable doing that. And then how often are you doing this?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

585.428

And so you develop your skills doing this. You get real good at being undercover. And then how do you move on to the big boys? How do you move on to biker gangs, Nazis? I got hired by the FBI. Wow. And was it specifically because you were good at undercover shit?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

5931.286

So his idea was kill the kid, kill the family, and then there's no evidence?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

5939.61

Jesus Christ.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

6034.815

I could only imagine. How are these guys getting these videos? Are they making them? Joe, it is. See, that's the thing, right?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

6046.38

That's the scary thing because most people aren't aware of it. And this is one of the big conspiracy theories that there's these pedophile rings out there. But they're real.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

6132.613

Yeah.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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And so there's a whole ring of people all across the country.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

6478.553

wow slightly sick right yeah slightly it's a different world yeah that's probably the least bad thing they can do to you i don't know i don't know how to look in the mirror after all that i don't know i mean you get out alive i guess it's insane or do you So other than the pedophile cases, what were the most shocking cases that you had to do? Well, they're all a little shocking in their own way.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

6510.875

The pedophile one's got to be the hardest one to sleep at night.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

6515.616

But what a good feeling to get him. Right. That's a different feeling. That's a non-conflicted feeling when you get him.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

6543.09

Yeah.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

6788.231

So how did you infiltrate the neo-Nazi organization? Did you actually meet with them in person, or was it mostly online?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

7048.177

So what were these guys planning on doing? What was their accelerate moment?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

7144.288

NBA contracts.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

715.703

Really? So this all stopped during defund of the police, like the George Floyd times?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

7198.238

So they worship ancient Viking culture?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

7289.139

How did you get that? What are they using as, like, references?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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And so did you physically meet with these guys and infiltrate their organization?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

7386.44

Whoa.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

7399.65

Well, they want to call everything white supremacy, which is a real problem because there's actual white supremacy out there.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

7405.314

And when you call everything white supremacist.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

7409.417

Watching a video of a fucking crazy professor who was saying that marriage is white supremacist. It's the craziest video of all time. There's an undercover video where they interviewed this lady and they were asking her questions and she didn't know she was being recorded. She was a professor. Yeah. Like marriage is thin privilege. It's white supremacy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

7430.005

It's, you know, male privilege, which leads to white supremacy and white privilege and like just a bunch of gobbledygook nonsense words that she was attaching to just people getting married.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

7446.213

Yeah, well, she's definitely not. She's a kook. But the problem is calling everything white supremacy, it kind of obscures the fact that there's really people like the people that you're running into. They're real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

7460.31

It's just like how many of them and where are they? I don't know.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

7658.107

Wow.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Thank you.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Felt weird, you know. Which is weird that guys like that exist and organize and find other guys like that and get together. It's online.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

8760.367

Probably a good decision.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

8762.949

Were they the wackiest people that you were around?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

8769.215

Well, obviously the pedophiles are the most disturbing.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

924.176

Oh, wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

936.886

Mmm, and so how so you eventually work your way up to probably more and more dangerous and complicated assignments

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

9567.133

Wow.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

9568.694

What a life you've had. Well, listen, brother, thank you very much for being here. It was great talking to you. Great hearing these stories. Fucking amazing. So insane and so interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

9796.892

God damn. That's a crazy life, brother.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

9855.275

That's part of your skill set, right?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

9921.404

May he rest in peace. Well, thank you, Scott. Thank you for everything. That was a lot of fun.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

9926.928

And good luck on the book. I guarantee it's going to sell like crazy. One more time, Jamie, throw that up there so everybody can take a look at it. There it is. Codename Pale Horse. It's available now. Did you do an audiobook?

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#2295 - Scott Payne

9941.327

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

9960.236

That has to be your voice.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

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Someone's going to want to do something, I'm sure.

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#2295 - Scott Payne

9989.999

I know something good is going to come out of this because the story is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks, brother. Thanks for being here. All right. Bye, everybody.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

10020.595

By the way, Taylor Kitsch is fucking great. He's a beast. That scene in the first episode when they first meet him and he has to take off his clothes and he's changing and you see the scars all over his body. Like, holy shit. He's really good in that scene. that show, he's really fucking good.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

10091.433

He plays it so well. I think this is his best work ever. I mean, he's been in a bunch of phenomenal projects, but this is his best. It's so good, dude. I appreciate it. You should really be proud of it. Thank you, man. Because it's not just really good.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

10108.509

It's really good about a very unique time when you have this convergence of American – this emergence of these settlers trying to make their way across this country and dealing with the Indians. And it's just – is just phenomenal. I mean, it's a crazy time in human history and a very brief time.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

10134.324

If you really think about the impact that the West has had on American culture, we think about Wild West, every kid grew up playing cowboys and Indians. This is a time that was a very short window. It was only a couple hundred years and it really changed the entire world because the successful settling of this country by the Europeans Changed everything.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

10157.922

The establishment of America changed everything. And the only way it was going to happen was you got to get through the Indians.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

1016.693

No, it's critical that you do it that way because if people want to really know what that was like, if you read the historical accounts of what happened, that's what happened. For sure. It happened that way.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

10230.899

So have you thought about multiple versions of American Primeval with different characters throughout history?

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#2280 - Peter Berg

10386.517

Well, I've done some shows with Josh Dubin, who used to work with The Innocent Project and now Ike Perlmutter. And because of the show, we've gotten a lot of people actually that were wrongfully accused released. The prison system's a fucking disaster. It's fucked. It's a fucking disaster.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

105.129

Yeah, if we could just appreciate when your body works well without having to be injured, it would be so nice. Right. Because you really only think about your body heals when you get injured. If you get fucked up, then you think, God, I can't wait to get healthy again. But if you just appreciate, and the best way to appreciate your body working well is to keep it working well. Yeah, man.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

10548.294

I will.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

10549.475

Well, hey, brother. Thank you very much for being here. I appreciate you very much. You're a fucking beast. Your work is amazing. Thanks for the workout this morning. My pleasure. It was fun. I was so pumped when you wanted to do it. I was like, yeah, let's go. I appreciate it. It was fun. It was a good time.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Thank you.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Is to work on it. Like stretch out, work out, lift weights, get some cardio in. Do the stuff that's uncomfortable, like stretching. I like that you started off your workout with a nice long stretch. We had a good stretch.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

1265.019

You're talking about a different time in the world, and it was a particularly barbaric time. And if you wanted to survive... This is what you had to do. And this is we're not talking about the United States in 2025. We're talking about the Wild West. And and you're talking about a persecuted group of religious people. Like if you want to survive, you want your children to survive.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

1288.05

You got to fight. You got to take up arms. That's just how it is. Like, you know, the story about the Mormons in Mexico. Right. To remind me. Well, there's Mormon sects in Mexico that moved there when they made polygamy illegal. And this was a homeboy from Massachusetts, Mitt Romney. His family is from Mexico. His father was born in Mexico.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

1314.847

And his father could never be president because he wasn't born in America. And he was born here in America, ran for president, the whole deal, became governor of Massachusetts. But there's still these huge groups in Mexico that are armed to the fucking tits because they're always constantly battling with the cartel. And there was a series of murders a few years back where-

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#2280 - Peter Berg

1336.747

A woman and children, like family, were slaughtered. There was some confusion as to whether or not the cartel targeted them or whether it was a case of mistaken identity or what happened. But there's been documentaries about them. They live in armed compounds. The Mormons. In Mexico. So it's a similar sort of a situation with them in Mexico now.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Yours is colder than mine. That blue cube is brutal because it's always running. It's like a flowing river.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

148.101

That's hard. Great. It was a great way to start. Appreciate it. Yeah, it gets you fired up, man. And also, like we were saying, your workout's done. Your day can – you're free. You don't have to think about doing it. Just get it out of the way early. You're good.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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It was 1820. When did he find, when did Joseph Smith supposedly find these golden tablets? I believe it was, but either way.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

1493.57

Brigham Young had 56?

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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He's basically Genghis Khan of Utah. But...

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#2280 - Peter Berg

1522.484

1823?

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#2280 - Peter Berg

1638.979

Yeah, you're going to get ripped for everything. That's okay. That's just how it is. Mormons are the nicest people. My next door neighbors used to be Mormons. They're the nicest fucking people. I agree. I completely agree. They're so nice. I know a ton of Mormons because I know a bunch of people in Utah.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

1667.267

No, I love Utah, but it is a fascinating story. And it's, you know, look, they have a great sense of humor because the Book of Mormon, when Matt Stone and Trey Parker did that musical, they took out a full page ad in the playbook. So they're like, if you want to know more about Mormonism, come visit. Like, find out the real thing.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

1688.712

So instead of protesting and suing and attacking them, they just took out a fucking ad. Which is, I think, that shows incredible character. Yeah, for sure. Because that fucking, you've seen the Book of Mormon, right? Yes, I have.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

1707.259

And pretty brutal. And they're like, well, if you'd like to find out more about Mormonism,

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Tap the banner or visit this episode's page to learn more. The offer is for new customers only. So what is the backlash, though? If they've admitted that this massacre took place and it's part of the historical record, the book is for sale in this Mormon theater, what is the backlash?

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Well, thank you very much. Well, obviously I'm a huge fan of what you do and fucking American Pride Museum is so good, dude. Thank you, man. I feel like you made it just for me.

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I've been waiting for a realistic Wild West series like that forever and that is I'll just say it right now that's the best one that's ever been made it's the best representation of the Wild West that's ever been made it's so good dude It's so brutal. My wife checked out after episode one. Did she? Yeah. She's like, I can't.

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No, I love them. They're too good, though. There's a lot of sugar in them. They're trying to make one with no sugar. They're pretty close. But right now, that's got a ton of sugar in it. But damn, it's good. Yeah, they taste good. We did the full thing today, dude.

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Because we watch shows before we go to bed, and we're in the middle of Severance, which is excellent. Really good show. And Severance is, you know, I mean, there's some brutal moments, but it's just really complicated. It's really engaging.

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Don't you think it matters more about the audience than about the critics? A hundred percent. My perspective on critics is that no one wants to be a critic. Generally, they wanted to be creative, but they're not good enough. to contribute.

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Really good show. And then I said, hey, baby, we've got to watch American Primeval. I go, Peter's coming on. Please sit and watch with me. It was a couple weeks ago. The first episode, she's like, Jesus Christ, what the fuck are you doing to me? It's like 10 o'clock at night. I got to go to bed. I can't like people getting tomahawked in the fucking head and I got to go to sleep.

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Is that Theodore Roosevelt?

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in this business and it's why the critics fuck them and it's why Dana and people like that you who do you know create it and build it and make it and it's real you definitely need feedback because you definitely need to know if you're on the right track but you can get lost in feedback you can get lost in positive feedback too you get lost you can get lost in people approving you and you can get drunk in it

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I don't read anything. I don't read anything about me. No Reddit ever? Nothing. I don't read anything. I get it. Sometimes I'm good. Sometimes I'm not as good. I get it. I do my best. That's all I can do. And I feel like if you're really self-critical, which I am, and you're objective and you analyze yourself and you're...

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brutally honest if you brutally honest about what you've done and how it is like could you've done it better is there anything did you cut corners yeah yeah and if you don't if you don't cut corners and if you do your best and you really prepare that's all you can do you just do your very best and if you haven't done your best that's when the critics really sting if you know that you kind of slacked off or you weren't focused or there's something that was wrong with what you did it for the money like that can often yes I

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The do it for the money is a real, real one. You know, I mean, that's the downfall of Robert De Niro. Yeah. Right. He needs money for divorces. You know, he's got marital problems. And so I spend a lot of money and you start doing these fantasy movies with Michelle Pfeiffer. And it's like bizarre shit where it's like, like, what is Robert De Niro?

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One of the greatest actors of all time doing these fucking goofy ass movies. Yeah.

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That's why. Because you did it right. You did it like it really was. It was a fucking barbaric time in a barbaric place. And it's never really been other than 1883 Taylor Sheridan's series, which is also excellent. Excellent. Excellent. He did a fantastic job. And how crazy is it that like Faith Hill and what's the other guy's name? Tim McGraw. They're fucking great actors.

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You can't be in the business of getting the most attention because human beings are easily distracted, easily amused. We like a lot of things that have zero quality. And just because we're watching it doesn't mean it resonates with us. Just because you're watching the Amber Heard trial doesn't mean it's changing the way you feel about things, really entertaining you.

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And not just entertaining you, but stimulating you in a way like, wow, that was a fucking masterful piece of cinema. Yeah, there's there's a difference, you know, and yeah, there's gonna be a bunch of people that just watch people unbox cell phones or eat Octopus, you know, there's like there's weird videos that get a lot of likes But you're not in the business of attention.

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You're in the business of art. Yeah, and I feel like when it comes to Paying attention to comments and critics. I feel like if you're locked in and if you're doing your best and If you're one of those people that don't need to be checked on, some people need to be checked on.

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Some people get off the rails, they get a little full of themselves, and they need a little something to just set them back. You need someone to say, that one sucked. You're like, God damn it. And then you work harder. But if you're working as hard as you can. This is my advice that I give comedians when it comes to comments and things like that and negativity. You only have so much attention.

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And think of your attention as if it was a number. Like you have 100 units of attention. Now if you're spending 30 units Paying attention to comments and negative articles and criticism. That's 30 units you can't use for something that you love.

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And then also it probably bleeds into your thoughts when you're doing those things that you do love, particularly like devastating negative reviews and comments and things that are like, really hurt you, that hurt your feelings. Takes a lot of numbers.

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Takes a lot of numbers. It's just bandwidth. You're robbing yourself of your ability to do the things that you love. You're robbing yourself of your ability to pay attention to your family, your ability to contact your friends and reach out and to be present. Because you're thinking, oh, my God, I can't believe he hated my movie. Oh, my God, I can't believe, you know, I bombed.

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Oh, my God, I can't believe this podcast sucked. Whatever it is. You're robbing yourself. You can only do your best. And if you're not doing your best, you probably need those comments. You need something to wake you the fuck up and get locked in. But if you're locked in, you don't want it. You should know. I know if I talk too much. I know if I interrupt too much. I know. And I'll drive home.

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I'm like, I hate it.

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I don't need it. I fucking hate me. I'm my number one critic. So I don't pay attention. And this is something that I had to figure out over the years. But when I knocked it down to a formula of attention bandwidth.

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That's when I really understood it because I'm like, okay, the times, even distractions, like the times that I'm spending just scrolling through Instagram and looking at nonsense, like that hour is a valuable hour to me. I could have been doing like real good things with that hour where I feel good about it or I get nothing, just distraction, just nothing. Right.

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Which is fine sometimes if you're on a fucking airplane or something like that. You got nothing to do. Like, who cares?

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As a comedian, I think there's a value in having your thumb on the pulse of culture. And even the chaotic, you know, fucking unboxing videos and food and stupid shit and people just sticking their ass out. Right. And insta-hoes. Like, there's a value in keeping your thumb on it. You just have to know when your thumb's getting burnt.

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Isn't that crazy that someone who's a great singer can all just slide into this other thing and be amazing at it?

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Yeah, one of the most disappointing things that I've ever done, some of the most disappointing things, is when I sit down from my computer to write and I wind up looking at my phone. And I just scroll and bullshit. And then I start writing, but I'm distracted. And then I get an email or a text message comes through. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll text him. And I'm just distracting myself.

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And then I realize like after an hour and a half's gone, I just fucking wasted an hour and a half that I could have written something that could have been a new brilliant bit. It could have been a new thing that I'm really excited about. Instead, I just fucked off.

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Yeah, I write when I get home.

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Yeah, so what I do is I do shows, and then I come home, and everyone's asleep. My whole house is asleep, so it's quiet.

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Yeah, because my mind is really stimulated because I just performed. And maybe I've had a drink or two, and I sit in front of the computer, and I just start thinking. Really? Yeah, I just start thinking. I just try to freestyle with thoughts. And the way I write is I have a topic and I just start with just essentially an essay. And not an essay that I think anybody's going to read.

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An essay is just like my thoughts, just rambling thoughts. And then maybe I'll rewrite a paragraph, but I'll keep the same paragraph above it to reference. And then I'll rewrite it again in a different way.

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Anything, whatever it is. Technology, how it's affecting our lives and what our future is going to be like. And then I'll sit down with that and think about the pros and cons. Hasn't every society faced this? Like would you want to go back and live in the caveman days again? No, definitely not. Do you want to live in a time with no penicillin? No, no, no, no, no.

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Like, so how much technology is too much technology? And I'll just start writing. And out of that, I'll get a bit. Out of that, I mean, not always maybe one out of ten times something's useful. Like, there's a lot of times I'm just throwing shit against the wall. But the key is throw a lot of shit. You have to throw a lot of things. You know, Hemingway famously said, my friend Ari Shafiri has this

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on his laptop. It says, the first draft of everything is shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's such a great quote. And it just sits on his laptop. And I love it. I love that. It's so true. And I just write.

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You know, sometimes I'm just sitting there thinking about it before I write or in the middle of writing. Like, am I correct? Is this how I'm looking at this? Or am I trying to force this? And then I also write on a computer that is not connected to any apps. It doesn't have anything on it. The only thing it has on it is it has, it's a think pad.

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I am allowed to Google things to find out if something's correct. That's it. I've never, I don't go to websites. I don't look at it. This laptop is just for writing. It's connected to the internet, which is a tricky thing, but there's a rule. So my home computer, there's no rules. I might watch YouTube videos. I might fucking watch a little Netflix. It's iMac, so it's big screen.

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I might do all kinds of stuff on that computer. But when I'm writing, my laptop is only for writing. And so I don't allow myself. There's no TikTok. There's no Instagram. There's no nothing. I don't ever look at anything else. I just write. And I use the browser. I use fucking Bing, which is like who searches shit on Bing? You know, it's good enough to find out what's real and what's not real.

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I think that that show was, like, Billy Bob Thornton was built for that show. It's like he was born for it. That's his perfect role. He's so goddamn good in that show. In Landman. Yeah, in Landman. He's so good. I mean, he's been good in a million things, but in Landman, it's like, you just believe he's that guy. You just believe. But American Primeval, back to that.

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That's the only time I use it. That's it.

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Well, you know these ideas are not – they're coming from –

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fucking the ether they're coming from somewhere i know that creativity is an individual thing and it varies but for me my best ideas seem to come out of nowhere it's like i don't even know if they're my ideas they're they're coming from some place and this is the concept of the muse right like the muse is bestowing upon you these beautiful gifts of creativity

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Yes. The War of Art. Amazing book. I've got a stack of them out there.

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He's incredible. And he's just a brilliant guy. Yeah. But that that's where it's at. It's just like setting this table. showing up and then trying to pull these things from this other dimension, this wherever the fuck they're coming from. And then I get these little nuggets and then the nuggets, I transfer it to my phone.

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Well, that's why it's for you because it feels so real and so powerful that without it, you feel like your life would be lost.

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Yeah. Isn't that amazing? That's an amazing thing to find as a human being. If you can find something that you love so much that you can't imagine life without it, like that you would be lost.

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What inspired you to do such a realistic interpretation

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And it's so true that we don't do that in America because there's a lot of Russians that fight in the UFC and they don't even get booed. No one even cares. They love them. Especially when they're really good. People get excited.

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But, yeah, owning a boxing gym and – But you were telling me about how when you met Canelo and Canelo came to your gym to train. I thought that was almost worth owning a boxing gym.

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Yeah, 50 and 0, all his faculties, still making millions, doing exclamations.

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No, Andre Ward. Andre Ward, Olympic gold medalist, two division world champion, retires undefeated, brilliant analyst. They offer him millions of dollars to go and fight Canelo after he's retired. He says, I think I can serve boxing more as a commentator.

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I don't think Sugar Ray Leonard is necessarily the great example either because... He saved his money, though. He took a lot of fights that he shouldn't have taken later in his career, like against Terry Norris and those kind of fights.

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Yeah, they are talking about doing that. And Turki Al-Sheikh, who is running Riyad season, has done a phenomenal job of putting together these incredible fights. He's basically just said, There's a lot of resistance getting these top fighters to fight each other. What's the resistance? They want to maximize their earning potential by staying undefeated and avoiding the really tough challenge.

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Just give him the money now. Yeah. And he's having all these fighters fight these dangerous fights. And it's incredible for boxing.

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Well, I mean, he obviously has an excellent relationship with them because, you know, Riyadh season helped promote the big event at the Sphere, which was an insane thing. So cool, right? Have you fucking been to an experience there?

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It's the greatest.

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It's the greatest venue in the history of anything. But it doesn't overpower the experience? I don't know, man. It didn't overpower the fights. The fights were insane. They were so good. But it was like the arena itself is so spectacular. I would say go to see any band there you possibly can. Go to see anyone there. It's so good. The graphics are so mind-boggling. It's like you're on a drug.

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It's like you're having a psychedelic experience. The moment I walked into it, I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me. Actually, there's a video of me. I made a video. I wanted to film my very first reaction, the very first time I walked into it. It blew me away. What kind of drug would you compare it to? It's like you're in a different dimension. Like a mushroom, like a DMT?

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This is actually me walking in. Give me some volume.

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And this is just, they're just practicing and doing rehearsals of all the graphics packages. This isn't even, the audience isn't even in yet. This is insane. Oh, wow. And this is nothing compared to when they had the graphic packages running. And, I mean, it was unbelievable. It's just the amount of money that it cost to put on a show there, though.

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How much did it cost? I think the UFC spent something like $25 million over a normal budget for an event.

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And they own Ring Magazine now. So the reason why that's significant is the Ring Magazine belt is one of the only belts that has kind of been... There's a bunch of different organizations that are sanctioning bodies. There's the WBO, the WBC, the IBF. There's all these different – it's very fractured, right? But Ring Magazine has always been like Roy Jones Jr.

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was the Ring Magazine middleweight champ of the world, the Ring Magazine super middleweight champ of the world. That's the gold standard is Ring Magazine.

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If they can do that and then overpower everything else with money and then really put the compelling fights. Like, did you watch this past weekend, Artur Bitterbeev and Dmitry Bivov? Yes. What a fucking fight. Yes. Probably the greatest light heavyweight fight of all time.

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Yeah, for a good reason.

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That's a hard fight. That's a hard fight. And you want that fight? You got to get paid. Yeah, you got to get paid. But I'm hoping that with Riyadh's season... Turkey would make that fight. Right, because he signed a multi-fight deal with Canelo for $400 million. I think it's a five-fight deal for $400 million. I think that's what's been reported. I don't know if that's accurate.

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But Terrence Crawford's the first one, which...

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Yes, it's happening. So what was going to happen was Canelo apparently had made a deal with Jake Paul to fight Jake Paul. Ridiculous. Ridiculous, but I bet it was for a significant amount of money. Still ridiculous. Yeah, but... Fun. I'd watch it. Look, Jake Paul wants to test himself against actual, not just world champion, but one of the greatest of all time.

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I think it would take a few rounds.

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First of all, Jake is a lot bigger. Jake's a lot bigger.

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Well, I don't think Jake is getting anywhere lower than 205 pounds. He's a huge guy.

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I think that would be the case. I think Canelo, when he got to 175, when he was fighting light heavyweight, and he still fluctuates between 68 and 75, I feel like he probably weighs 190 when he's walking around. So he would probably weigh 190, and Jake would weigh over 200. They would probably fight either at cruiserweight or they would fight at heavyweight.

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No, he beat him, but it was a very good fight.

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Different levels. Different levels. Yeah, no doubt. Look, who's favored, for sure, the greatest of all time? I mean, one of the greatest boxers of all time in Canelo Alvarez. He's the favorite. But I'd like to see what happens. It would be crazy. I like a little freak show every now and then. As far as, like, would you like to see a Jake Paul? I like a lot of freak shows.

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Like if Jake Fall wants to fight for the title, I would like to see him beat top contenders in the light heavyweight division or whatever division he chooses to compete at and then eventually fight for a title.

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I wouldn't want to speculate because I haven't talked to anybody about it. But my educated assessment? Agreed. Yes.

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It looked like sparring. It didn't look like a fight.

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It would have to be a fight. I don't think Canelo Alvarez is making any agreements where he's not going to knock you out. Well, he's not taking the fight though, right?

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well this is what happened so they had this agreement and jake paul actually told me about the agreement when i met him at the inauguration we were talking about it and i was like holy shit it hadn't been announced yet i was like that's crazy and then turkey came along and said fuck all that let me throw some money at you and said stop with all this bullshit you need to be fighting the greatest fighters in the world right now you need to be fighting benavidez you need to be fighting terence crawford so terence crawford is first on the list and a lot of

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See, that's kind of crazy that they're going to have another fight beforehand. But it does give Crawford time to bulk up. So Crawford got on the scale the other day. He was 185 pounds. Really? Yes. And he's doing deadlifts. He was doing deadlifts with 450 pounds. Crawford is a strong dude.

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So a couple times so good and he's the best switch hitter in the game Maybe the best switch hitter since Marvin Hagler.

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Yeah, he's phenomenal Yeah, and he's so intelligent like his boxing is so clever. He sets traps.

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Canelo's like 30 So Crawford is 37 How old is Canelo I think he's 35 I 34, 35? He's still in his prime. What's crazy is he fucking better be of his 40 and went 12 hard rounds where they never slowed down once.

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Look at that. Very likely Terrence Crawford faces fighter with 90% KO rate after Canelo, says De La Hoya. Who would that be?

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What weight class would that be after? So he must have fought a, oh. That's such a boxing headline, isn't it? Like 90% chance. Virgil Ortiz Jr. Okay, Virgil Ortiz Jr. is a savage. That would be a phenomenal fight. That would be an absolutely phenomenal fight. Yeah.

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Well, I saw his fight with Majumov, who's very difficult, who Crawford struggled a little bit with too, but beat and Virgil walked him down. He was battering him towards the last rounds.

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My secret guilty pleasure is watching him dance around with a thong on. Oh, that was... He's out of his fucking mind. The best. That was the best. With his fake abs.

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I haven't been there.

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Yeah. And and that's the problem is that they're represented by different promoters and it's very difficult for people to co-promote. It's very difficult for people to decide who's the A side, who's the B side. You get ridiculous deals where this fighter wants 75%, the other fighter wants 25%. They have to figure out whether or not they can make this happen.

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And the fighter's like, fuck that, I want it 50-50. And then the promoters get involved, and they don't want you to fight that guy. Fight the number one mandatory contender. Some great fights never take place, or they take place too late, like Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. They fought too late.

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I mean, if that fight could have been arranged by Riyadh Season, they probably would have caught them both in their prime and it would have been chaos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Manning was, he was done before that ever started. Yeah, and he also had a blown shoulder going into the fight. Yeah. He needed shoulder surgery before the fight even started.

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You did a lot of the things, though. You did all the stuff, you know, like in stuff that you'd never done before, like windmills and stuff. Yeah, those windmills were like, you could really get in trouble with the windmill. Yeah. For people that don't know what that is. You certainly can with heavy weight. Yeah.

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Right. No, not now. I'm 57. There's no way I'm fighting anybody now. Dude, you're in shape. I did agree to fight Wesley Snipes like 20 years ago. What happened? Well, you remember what happened with him with taxes? Yeah, of course. He went to jail, right? Yeah. So I think they were trying to figure out a way to make money to try to pay the government off. And the UFC, they contacted...

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Well, this guy, Campbell McLaren, who was one of the original producers of the first UFC before Zufa bought it, he knew me because I worked for him at the time. I was the post-fight interviewer in 1997 and 1998. And that was when I first started working for the UFC. I remember. I started again as a commentator in 2001. So in 1997, when I knew him, he knew that I did martial arts.

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He knew I was obsessed with this. So he contacts me, I guess it was like 2004 or 2005 or something like that, somewhere around then. And he says, this is going to sound crazy. But Wesley Snipes wants to have a UFC fight. And he wanted to fight Jean-Claude Van Damme. And we didn't think that that would be compelling. And so we offered some other names. And we said, what about Joe Rogan?

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And he said, yes. And I said... Well, what do you mean? Like, when are we talking about? Like, how? Because I've been training. I was brown belt in jujitsu and I'd been training kickboxing still. I was regularly training. And so I would have to really ramp everything up. He was kind of a martial arts guy, right? He's a martial artist, but I don't think he's ever had a fight.

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And I don't think he has any ground game. And that's a giant problem.

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You would have gotten a hold of them. I competed nationally in Taekwondo for five, six years, traveled around the country. And I had three kickboxing fights. I was a good stand-up fighter. And I can kick very hard. I'm very good. And then I was even better because I was in my 30s. So what happened? He didn't want to do it. For whatever reason you just said, you would have killed him.

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As time went on, I think he kind of understood that it was a bad idea. I think initially he thought, who knows, it could have been fucking chemically fueled, these conversations with him.

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But I trained every day.

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I was kickboxing with Rob Kamen in the morning and I was doing jujitsu at night. I was fucking exhausted. Prepping for the Wesley Surge fight or just... We were in negotiation. So the first negotiation was 50-50. They were going to split it 50-50, this and that, blah, blah, blah. And I said, okay, great. And then a couple weeks went by. I had lawyers involved, the whole thing.

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And then it was like, Wesley wants 60-40. But this time I'd already invested so much time training. I go, okay. I just give it to him I'm like, I'm gonna fuck this guy up. I go just give it to him Just give it to him and then it got to a point where just give me a half a million dollars I don't care what you give Wesley. I go give me a half a million dollars.

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We'll go and we agreed on that I said, I don't care what you give him. Just give it to him I'm gonna I'm going to fucking strangle this guy I'm gonna get a hold of them and there's not gonna be a goddamn thing he can do about it I was convinced And I was like- So was Wesley convinced.

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But it was so engrossing. It took up all my energy and my time. My mind shifted into what it was when I was younger and I was fighting. It was wild. It was weird. I became a different person for almost a year.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think he did a smart thing. I think he did a smart thing by not doing it.

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Well, I had fought a bunch of times, you know, and when I was younger. I mean, it had been more than 10 years since my last fight, but— I knew what it was like. I knew the experience. I knew what training and preparing was like. And I also knew that I was a legitimate brown belt in jiu-jitsu. I had been training jiu-jitsu for a long time.

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But it was like, I think he had this idea that he was going to be able to hit me when I was trying to take him down. I was like, dude, I would fucking happily stand up.

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That to me is the most silly. Zuckerberg is legit. He trains hard. He trains with legit guys. He trains all the time. He's very smart and very obsessed by it and he's like legitimately training. He's significantly smaller than Elon. Elon's a big guy. But that only goes so far, especially if you don't have any endurance.

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I don't know. I don't think it was ever going to happen. I mean I was entertaining it because I think it would be fun if it did happen and Elon said he would do it and Zuckerberg said he would do it. I don't know how the guy tweets as much as he does. How the fuck could you train for a fight? I mean, how do you run SpaceX and Tesla and the Department of Government Efficiency and Starlink?

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I don't know how he does it, and I'm his friend. I don't know how he does it. I don't understand it. He's... I've never seen anybody who knows how to manage time better than that guy. Yeah. And he also has like 100 kids. Like I don't fucking – he's a different type of human.

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No doubt. Yeah, no doubt. And also, he's very disciplined. And stayed true to his...

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Well, he trains in jiu-jitsu, but he also trains in mixed martial arts. So he does Muay Thai. He does everything. He's really obsessed with it. And he has been for years. He's a legitimate martial artist.

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He's not going to do it.

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There's no way he has the time. If you want to really prepare properly, you train twice a day, and you have to have recovery in between. So you have to get massages. You have to do red light therapy. You have to do everything, especially if you're at his age. And you have to take hormones. You have to be on the ball. You have to take peptides. You have to. You have to really watch your nutrition.

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You have to really make sure you get enough sleep. All those things are out the window. He's not doing any of those things. He doesn't have the time to do any of those things. No, so it would have to be like a demonstration where they agree to how it's going to go. But even then, there's no way he could be in condition for it. There's no way. And so he did train with some of my friends.

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He trained with Lex Friedman. I think he trained with George St. Pierre as well. So I think he realized early on... His cardio wasn't going to get him there. His cardio is non-existent.

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Maybe ultra running, maybe really crazy things where guys have to run like 300 miles.

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Soccer, soccer takes incredible conditioning, incredible conditioning.

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Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Those are a lot.

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Oh, Jesus. I think these are the toughest athletes. I think this is how they should play regular football. I do, too. I really feel like the pads are bullshit. But the only way you can play American-style football is with pads. Because the collisions that these guys have, your career would be cut short.

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Oh, out cold. He's done. Stiff.

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It seems like it, especially if you watch that video. Like that's unbelievably grueling. The difference between fighting and anything else is there's no one there to assist you. There's no other teammates. There's no rules. There's no timeouts. You know, you have round breaks. But fighting is very individual. And if you didn't prepare properly and your opponent did, you're fucked.

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If he's better than you and he's more skilled and he's got better genetics and better training and he comes from a better background and he's more – He's more technical. You're fucked. You know, it's it's it's a crazy sport where you're literally putting your health on the line.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, definitely wrong. All right. At the highest level, it's the most important thing. Okay, but do not... At the highest level, like at a Terrence Crawford level, tactics are everything. But he just does it. Yeah, he just does it, but it's also because he spent so much time working on the fundamentals and the technique.

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and the movements and counters and positioning, and he understands boxing so comprehensively. He knows where the punches are coming from. He knows where he's going to be vulnerable to get hit. He knows when he's not. He knows when he has to take a risk, and to give one, he has to take one.

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Trainer gets some credit, but a trainer with a bad fighter is never going to create a world champion. You have to be an extraordinary individual to be a championship-level fighter, no doubt. And then there are some championship-level fighters that have emerged from gyms that don't have any championship, like Marvin Hager, one of the greatest of all time. He came out of the Petronelli Brothers gym.

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They weren't known for having a giant stable of multiple world champions.

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Well, there's quite a few. There's quite a few. There's some really elite trainers out there, and I don't want to miss anybody. But Firas Zahabi is probably one of my favorite. Because he's...

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very very intelligent and very analytical and he does a fantastic job also of breaking down fights both before the fight and after the fight and telling you like what tactics didn't work and why they didn't work and what went wrong in the fight and what was very effective He's just a brilliant human being and also just so intelligent about the way he makes his fighters prepare.

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And he trained George St. Pierre, who's one of the greatest, if not the greatest of all time. So there's him.

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um there's uh greg jackson and mike winkle john from uh jackson winkle john in in albuquerque which is a phenomenal gym that's where john jones came from multiple world champions have come from that that gym those guys are phenomenal john crouch in arizona he's phenomenal um there's uh there's just so many fucking like top of the food chain and how many

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Yeah, I think there's both. But I think for some fighters, every fighter has a different approach. Jon Jones is famous for studying tape. and devising game plans and strategies that are based on what he sees about his opponent's tendencies.

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And that's how he caught Daniel Cormier with that left high kick. Like, he knew that Daniel dips to the right. Yeah. And, you know, and Daniel even called it out before that. You think you're going to hit me with that head kick? And he actually did hit him with it in the fight. Yeah. Because Daniel had a tendency. And John exploited that tendency. And he does that with everybody. He's...

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Famous for not just doing that, but also not taking fights on last minute notice. Like he's had some opponents fall out and the UFC offers him an alternative opponent in a short period of time. And he says, no, I didn't train for that fighter. He goes, I'm the greatest of all time for a reason. And that reason is I'm fully prepared for every fight.

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I'm not going to take a fight against someone who I'm not fully prepared for.

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Yes.

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That's Jackson Winklejohn. He's been with them forever.

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Well, it's incredible. Jackson in particular is fantastic at devising strategies to deal with opponents. And, you know, he trained Holly Holm when she knocked out Ronda Rousey. I was there. They are. You were in Australia for that?

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That was crazy. That was a crazy fight. But they trained her.

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Yes.

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Oh, it was incredible. Yeah. But Holly was good, man. She's a multiple-time world champion in boxing and in kickboxing. She was a very, very legit striker. You were surprised? Yeah, it was shocking, but it was also like Holly was good. She was really fucking good. And when she landed that head kick, like, holy shit.

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But they knew that Ronda had a very specific entry that she used to try to take people down. And they avoided that every single time.

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They circled away. They fought off Ronda's takedown attempts and kept the fight standing.

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Yeah. Well, it was just more effective. So it really depends on the athlete. Like I said, if you get a person that falls apart in the heat of the moment and just throws it all out the window and starts brawling, yeah, well, then your training has kind of gone to waste, and then they're relying on instincts and hopefully skill.

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But all those things, like the push-ups and bodyweight squats, it's all just you have to build to it.

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But if you have a really good fighter and a really good trainer, then you get a Mike Tyson.

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I don't know. I mean, she was very stretched thin when that was going on because she was doing movies and she was a superstar and she was like constantly being courted.

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Yeah, I think that the distractions when you're a superstar are huge. And if you give in to all those distractions, you say yes to everything. And you have agents that want you to be. And you think, like, you're so confident you could do anything anyway. I don't give a fuck. I'll beat everybody. And that's how every champion feels.

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I think for a lot of people, yes. Yeah, if you could find someone who could devise a strategy that you could follow and you could help because it's a collaboration. You could collaborate with this person. Yeah, there's definitely value in that. But you could also be your own coach.

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Learning when I was young that focus and drive and attention to detail and obsession leads you to get excellent at something. And there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. The more time I put in, the more I trained, the better I got. The more I was really locked in and focused, the better I performed. And I learned that at a young age. I learned that as a kid.

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And so I developed discipline when I was very young.

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I started fighting when I was 15.

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I started training when I was like 14. I took my first karate class when I was 14.

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And I was very lucky that I found a gym that was filled with incredible fighters. They were very high level. One of the guys, my friend John Lee, was a national champion and he was like a mentor to me. And, you know, I was a white belt and he was a black belt and competing in the World Cup at the time. That's when I met him. And, you know, he just took a liking to me and helped me out a lot.

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So white belts, you were a total novice. Complete beginner, but I got a black belt in two years. I was obsessed. I trained every day of the week. I had a key to the gym and I could work out anytime I wanted because my instructor at some point in time realized that I had potential

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made a deal with me and offered me I could teach classes and if I taught classes and I taught private lessons like teaching beginners like when they first come into you have to take a certain amount of beginner classes private lessons before you're allowed to enter into the group class so I would teach people from the very beginning and I

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Um, so because of that, uh, I was able to be at the gym all day long and, and whenever I wanted to be there, I could be there. And I also from teaching really broke down technique, which is the most important thing to like, if you have bad technique, even if you're like a good fighter, you have flaws in your, you can get pretty far with bad technique. If you're just tough.

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It's just not, you're not going to be the best. The best have excellent technique, without doubt, especially when it comes to martial arts. Kicking and jiu-jitsu, technique is everything. Technique and drive and training and focus. And I realized early on, I thought I was a loser. And until I started doing martial arts and getting really good at martial arts, I'm like, oh, I'm not a loser.

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I'm really good at this. I have... a propensity to it. I have a genetic propensity. I have like very good, I'm fast. I hit really hard and I really loved it. I love getting better. I love the fear of it too. I love being terrified. I love the overcoming the fear of competition. It was so fucking scary.

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It was so religious that my girlfriend at the time wanted to fuck in the gym because I had the keys and I wouldn't have sex with her there. I'm like, no.

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Well, they don't have the thing, whatever. Like, not everybody's going to be great. At everything. They're just not. Some people just don't have the discipline, the desire. They don't have the willpower to push through when they're tired. They don't have the willpower to show up when they're feeling tired and lazy or when they're uninspired. You have to learn that.

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And you have to learn that through, like, if you want to get great, there's only one pathway. There's only one pathway. It's hard work and discipline. There's no other way. And you might not get there still. Yeah. Because if you're a hard work and you have discipline, but you're you're competing against Mike Tyson He also had timing.

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Yeah, he also has hard work and discipline but superior genetics and superior training Hypnotized from the time he was 13. You're fucked.

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Because when you're when you're I'm sorry to interrupt you, but when you're in the middle of a project and you're doing your workouts, are you just like constantly going over the show in your head?

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And you can still lose with all that because you might be competing against a guy who has a slightly better strategy and maybe he's better at one thing that sets you off. Yeah. And you want to beat that guy? Well, you got to work even harder. You got to go back and figure out what you did wrong.

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You got to figure out where your flaws are and improve upon them, whether it's an endurance issue, whether it's a technique and strategy issue, whether it's pacing, whatever it is.

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It's a long road. You're making a mountain one layer of paint at a time. And you're competing against other people that are doing the exact same thing.

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And unless you set yourself apart from the pack, unless you're a guy like Marvin Hagler that goes to Cape Cod and trains in the winter and runs on the fucking sand, unless you're that guy that pushes it past everybody else, you're not going to be exceptional. And it's a fucking struggle. That's why some fighters, they reach a certain level of success and they sort of slack off.

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A lot of people thought Canelo was doing that when he started playing golf all the time. They're like, oh, he's not completely focused anymore. And maybe this is why he doesn't want to fight Benavidez.

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It also might be a money thing. It might be like, look, I'll fight that guy. But I know what that fight is. And I want $200 million for that fight.

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Hagler always used to say it's very difficult to wake up in the morning when you're sleeping in silk sheets. Yeah. Yeah.

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I don't know. But it all depends on what your motivation is. If your motivation is just get wealthy and then once you reach that point, now you're fucked because now you don't have this motivation anymore. If your motivation is the big house and the big cars and all that bullshit. But if your motivation is excellence. You can maintain that motivation no matter what your financial state is.

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Right, but it's not your primary motivation. Hell fucking no. Your primary motivation is not to show up at the big party and have everybody kiss your ass.

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No, it's creation. The creation of great art. Correct. Yeah. And if you're a fighter, it's the same thing. It's like to be excellent, to be unstoppable, to be the best of the best. And if you have that motivation, you can maintain that with wealth. You can still get hungry to be Canelo and come out and fight David Benavides.

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But it's obviously very hard to do, which is why most fighters don't maintain it once they achieve wealth.

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It's a different thing though. Sports and fighting are a different thing because, You don't play boxing? Yeah, you don't play it. It's like you could decide that you're going to still maintain a very high level of basketball and you want to just be excellent. But no one's kicking you in the legs. No one's taking you down and strangling you.

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But Jon Jones is exceptional because Jon Jones beat a lot of guys when he wasn't training. There was times in his life where he was fucking off and partying all the time and still beating the best guys in the world. That was like when he had that press conference with Daniel Cormier. He goes, I beat you when I was doing coke. Coke, yeah.

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Well, John talked to me about it. He said, I used to, when I was younger, I used to give myself an excuse. So I would party really hard like a week before the fight, which you should never do. And it's like, well, if I lose, you know, maybe it's because I partied. But he doesn't do that now. Now he thoroughly prepares.

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And he went through a time when he was the light heavyweight champion when he was kind of like playing with his food because he was just so much better than everybody else. He wasn't threatened by people. So he wasn't putting on the performances that he did when he was younger, like when he won the title against Shogun. He lost some of that motivation but then gained it.

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Later in life, when he went through a bunch of legal struggles, a lot of problems and realized, like, this could all be taken away from me. I got to get back to what made me great. And then, you know, won the heavyweight title, defended against the greatest in Stipe Miocic. And, you know, now he's the heavyweight champion of the UFC. What do you think? He's been fighting. How many years?

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He won the title in what, like 2008? When did what year did Jon Jones win the title? which is just fucking crazy. And he's 40 now? No, he's in his 30s. He's the youngest ever champion in the UFC. He won the title at 22 years old. 2011, okay. So he has been a world champion for 14 years. That is unheard of.

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I think on paper, for sure. I think the problem with that is who did he fight versus who did George St. Pierre fight? Who did Khabib fight versus who did George St. Pierre? It's like who did Mighty Mouse fight versus who did Anderson Silva fight?

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Well, out of just the sheer longevity and the accomplishments, I say Jon Jones. But I could see the argument for Mighty Mouse being the best martial artist I've ever seen. I think he's the best expression of martial arts talent and technique that I've ever seen. But then George St. Pierre's right up there too. And George St. Pierre was, you know, multiple division world champion.

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He won the welterweight title. Then he won the middleweight title. And then he came back after four years off and beat Michael Bisping for the middleweight title. Like he's... He's in the argument, too. I just think there's a real problem in saying the number one of all time, the greatest of all time. But if you were going to give it to somebody, I would say give it to John.

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I mean, he was that good. He's an intelligent psychopath.

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You can't, you can't, you can't manufacture that. You either are that guy or you are not that guy. So that's pure nature. It's a lot of things. It's how he grew up. He has two savage brothers. Both of them are NFL players, superior athletes. They beat each other up all the time, I'm sure. It's like you're in a competitive environment from the time you're young.

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You have incredible genetics on top of that. Then you go to a place like Jackson Winklejohn that is... Superior training with world-class sparring partners world-class coaches world-class recovery training facilities technique strategy all the above it's like you need a perfect storm to be a Real true all-time great.

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I think there's some real value to being out of your fucking mind. I really do. And I think some of the greatest artists, some of the greatest athletes, some of the greatest accomplishments were achieved by people that were out of their fucking mind and just had pushed it to a level, to a level and into an area that other people weren't willing to go.

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And that's how they became the best of the best. And you don't get to be a Michael Jordan unless you're out of your fucking mind.

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I don't know. Right. Yeah. Similar. Similar in that regard. It's not a normal person that chooses to take on four or five jobs like that and then runs the Department of Government Efficiency. Like, who is that? Very few people are willing to put in that kind of work or have that desire to do anything like that. It has to be real.

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You can't be forcing it because if you're forcing it, it's like, oh, God, this is like, I don't really want to do this. Well, there's someone out there that wants to do that. They're going to get better. They're going to be better at it. They're obsessed. They're all in. You have to be all in. And when fighters aren't all in anymore, that's the worst stage of their career.

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Yeah. You have to be crazy to think that you can do it. Right. Because most people don't get a chance to do that.

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Well, I don't even think it's delusional.

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You have to be willing to go through everything that it takes to get there. And that is not an easy road. And it's not an easy road to be a great filmmaker. It's not an easy road to be a great athlete. No matter what you're doing to be a great author. You have to be willing to go down that road. And it is a long road with trials and tribulations and errors and successes.

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And you have to learn from your successes and learn from your failures. And not everybody has their shit together enough to pursue a path consistently for a long enough period of time that you achieve greatness.

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Well, they're pretty good at staying out of the way.

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Hmm It's just a weird way to think it is but I love it But but it obviously works like it can't be dilute like it's a lot of bad movies out there. I

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But is it delusional to want to write a book? No, it's been done forever. It's just like filmmaking is fairly recent in terms of human history.

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If it was easy, everybody would do it. It was easy. Everybody would have their own fucking movie. Everybody would be making movies.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Yeah, well— The second one, I think.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Well, if I set out and said I one day want to be the biggest podcaster on earth, that's magical thinking.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Yeah, we just started out with snowflakes falling from the screen. And we did it on a webcam. We were just being silly. And we just did it all for fun.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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That's a little bit delusional thinking.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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It's tricky, you know? Well, you have to be all in. And you have to realize that this is a very high failure rate. And yeah, even all in, just like fighting, you still might not make it. You might not make it. Yeah. I mean, acting is the best example of that. I mean, we talked about Tim McGraw being amazing. How many amazing actors out there that don't act? There's a lot.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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There's a lot of people that can act. You can take them and they can figure out how to do it. It's a weird skill that some people either have or don't have. Some people have the ability. You can definitely get better at it. There's definitely people that...

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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That trained very hard and there's method acting and there's all sorts of different strategies but the reality is there are a small number of roles and a large number of people and they're auditioning for these things and if you don't get into one you probably won't get another and it might be 5 10 15 years and you've had no success and you don't know what the fuck to do and you can quit or you can do with Billy Bob Thornton as you make Sling Blade

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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That's awesome. Well, they were right, and the critic was wrong.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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But I think a lot of those critics probably wanted to beat you, and they didn't get the chance, and they failed, and they got this job, and then they shit on everything.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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I think you get knocked down seven, you get up seven. I think you have to get up seven times.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Seven times you get up.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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No, seven times. You get knocked down the seventh time, you get up.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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The phrase sucks.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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You're one ahead of getting up because you started up. No, no. You get knocked down one, you get up one. You get knocked down two.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Yeah, that's great. That's great. So you're saying this is wrong? Yeah, every time you get knocked down, you get up. You can't get up if you haven't been knocked down. That's stupid. If you get knocked down seven times, you get up seven times. Period. Period.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Well, it's just delusion. This is just like pump you up talk that doesn't make any sense.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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You can climb any mountain. No, you can't. There's certain mountains you're not going to climb. Shut the fuck up. This is stupid. I believe I can fly. Well, you fucking can't, R. Kelly. Jump off a building. See what happens. You can't fly. Okay? You get knocked down seven, you get up seven times. Because otherwise, there's no way to get up when you're already up.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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You don't get credit for fucking. You don't get credit for not getting knocked down and getting up. That's stupid. But you don't start up.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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You start standing up. You get knocked down. Now you're up. You get knocked down once. You get up once. Yeah, but then you have to get knocked down to get up.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Nonsense. You don't get extra credit for fucking standing up.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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You get knocked down. The challenge is getting knocked down. You fight. You don't get credit for thinking you're going to fight. You have to actually do it. When you actually do it and you get knocked down, you get up. You get knocked down once, you get up once. You get knocked down seven times, you get up seven fucking times. You can't get up eight times.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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you can look to other people for inspiration. And that's beneficial.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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I wasn't competitive with other TV shows.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Well, Fear Factor wasn't an example because that was just a job. The fear factor was I didn't want to work with actors anymore.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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But stand-up was just a thing that I loved to do. And I did it. I mean, certainly compared myself to other people that were doing better than me. Like, wow, why are they doing better than me? Why are they more successful? Why do they sell out everywhere and I don't? Yeah. Yeah. But then eventually I caught up. You just keep working. That's all it is. All it is is keep improving and working.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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And if you don't have the desire to keep improving and working, you should get out because you're in the wrong business. Because there's going to be a bunch of people that do have that desire. And if you want to live a life of mediocrity and half-assedness and just fucking... showing up and doing the bare minimum. What kind of a fucking life is that? That's not fun. That's not exciting.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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That's not stimulating. Some people don't have drive. They don't have this desire. You can't make a championship fighter out of someone who doesn't like working out. You can't. It's not going to happen. Like you have to have something inside you, a calling to whatever you're doing. For you, it is filmmaking. You have a calling to this thing. It's a passion project. It's love. It's art.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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It's intensity. It's discipline and focus. And you're trying to make the best fucking thing you can make. And if you're not doing that, you shouldn't be doing what you're doing. Or you need to come to Jesus moment. You need a refocusing. You need something that like Pressfield had where he realized he was kind of like 40 years old and like half-assing his life.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Yeah, it's a guidebook. It's a guidebook for creativity and discipline and becoming a professional. And he really laid it out. And he laid it out also with his own personal examples of failure, which I think are very important. You need to know that this struggle that you're experiencing when you feel like you're fucking up, everybody has that.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Nobody is just like gung-ho, the best of the best right out of the gate. You learn, you improve. It's a long, slow journey. It takes a lot of fucking work. And if you're not interested in doing that, well, you better find something else. And there's a lot of people that aren't interested in that.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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A lot of people just want to do a job where they make some money and then at the end of the day they can go play video games, hang out with their kids. That's great. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. But if you want to do something that's extraordinary, that's very hard, it's going to take extraordinary effort.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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It's going to take extraordinary discipline and willpower, and it's going to take objectivity. You're going to have to have introspection. It's going to be a lot of things. You're going to have a lot of soul-searching.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Still might get your ass kicked. Yeah. Right? Yeah, but that's why when people do succeed and someone can put together something like American Primeval, it's so fantastic because we know how hard it is to do. It's not easy.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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No, no, no. She's used to watching. She fucking freaked out on Nosferatu too. She hated that too.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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I'm not going to watch that with her.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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Definitely don't watch it with her. So the climax, tell everybody you were telling me about it in the gym.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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I don't want her... Don't worry. She's not going to. It is not for everyone. I can't talk her into watching anything that she doesn't want to watch. She only watched American Primeval because I told her it was going to be really awesome, and she loves Yellowstone and 1883, but it was like... We're violent. It's fucking violent. Well, it's also... It's that time period, I think, we do have...

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#2280 - Peter Berg

9861.818

We do have a bit of a problem culturally because a lot of the films that were created in the early days about the Wild West were very glossy. They were very whitewashed. It wasn't an accurate representation of what actually went down.

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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You know, film in the 1960s and 70s in particular when it covered that subject, like spaghetti westerns, you know, great films, but it just never really quite captured the reality. I don't think filmmaking was really ready for that experience because I think,

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#2280 - Peter Berg

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The settling of the West and making their way across the plains in particular and dealing with the Comanche and the Plains Indians, it is one of the most brutal experiences in human history.

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And making their way across the country.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Varna then griped that the video filmed on August 14th that his then-employer is stuck with our drug, but the people aren't going to be as confident in it because the data doesn't look as strong as it should. And so then later he starts talking about the stock prices.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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So he says sometimes you do a study and fucking nothing works at all or people get really sick from it, he said in the covert recording. The problem is if you do another study, it'll take a year or two to do it because you have to get the ethics approval, you got to get the money, you got to get the patients to come in.

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In the videos, Varma then gloated about how he knows the reporters well and referenced a September interview with New York Times on MPOX, which touted that TPOX as a drug used to treat MPOX infection. He also described the World Health Organization's emergency authorization process before explaining how he wants the media to report on TPOX.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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So he was talking, one of the things in the video, he was talking about stock prices. So they're talking about making it look like these drugs do better than they do, getting people to prescribe them. Okay, hold on. So basically what we're trying to get the media to say is, oh, the drug didn't work because it was designed the wrong way, so they're going to do another study and it'll probably work.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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And in the meantime, people just prescribe it as an emergency drug. That's what we want the story to be, which is wild to say out loud. And he said the risk of MPOC spreading in the U.S. is very low, and it's almost certainly going to stay among gay men. Yeah, so it's all just... It's supposedly...

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Isn't that always the case, though? Yes. That's the case in the military often, right?

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Only like I don't think in America, like I think four people have died from it, which is you got to go hard. That's it. Go hard. Died from that.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Oh, yeah. That was that was another thing. That was when he got busted for having parties during the covid lockdowns while he was encouraging the lockdowns. Wow. You didn't hear that part? No. Oh, so Crowder got him on camera saying that he was doing Molly and partying and saying, I hope somebody doesn't see me doing this because I could get in real trouble because, you know, obviously I...

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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reinforce the lockdowns wow I mean surprising but not you know boy everybody's eyes have been opened up over the last few years at least people that are trying to pay attention to how nutty the people are who actually run the show yeah yeah it's uh

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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It's like a bunch of actors are running it. That's what it's like because that's what they're really like. What politicians are like are like actors are not quite good looking enough to get into movies and television shows. They can't host entertainment tonight, but they can read off a teleprompter, you know, and they can do a good.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Like, look, Kamala Harris had one good read off a teleprompter and she shot up in the polls. That's the power of just a performance when you want to believe something. You want to believe.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1191.15

I was watching this. These guys were breaking down. They can track cell phones. They can figure out who's cell phone was there. They can get metadata. And they were talking about these Kamala Harris rallies, about how organized they are. These people are coming in on buses, and many of them have been to multiple rallies, and that –

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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When this one, this one local one, like 80% of the people came from somewhere else. And they were all bussed in.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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When I was really young, I was like 24, I was dating this girl that was, she did something in government and she was explaining to me. So this is pre-internet-ish. You know, like people didn't have the internet then. It's like, ugh. Early 90s, right? And she said that one of her jobs was to make sure that information that the Navy had received would be available to the Army.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Well, I'll send this to Jamie because this is what I actually have. But I think they know it because you could track data on a phone now. Oh, they're doing the geofencing stuff? I don't know exactly how they do it, but they're doing something in which they can tell when your phone has been in an area. Okay, I found this guy's. I found his other video. Yeah, here, I'll show it to you, Jamie.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Because it's even grosser hearing it come out of this guy's mouth.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Yeah, but this is the clip. I'm sending you the clip from Instagram for whatever. I don't know if Instagram's hiding it. I don't know what's happening. They wouldn't do that.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. Okay. God, I hate looking up things on my phone in the middle of a fucking show, but sometimes you have to. So these guys, what they were – essentially what they were showing is that – here it is – that it's very organized and people are being bussed in. And, you know, is that okay? Is that ethical?

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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I mean, maybe just making it more convenient for them to go to the Kamala Harris rally. Nothing wrong with that.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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But if you're organizing crowds, like – Say if you do a game show, like if you host a game show, you know, Wheel of Fortune. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Those people are all paid. Most of them or sometimes you let fans do it for like a very popular show. But I have personally been on a lot of shows where the audience is paid. Interesting.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1311.882

So it's basically like if you're filming a sitcom and nobody knows what the sitcom is. You there's a company that you can hire and you pay the audience to come in and the people cheer. They have an applause sign. Everybody cheers. They laugh when you tell them to laugh like there's a guy in the audience. It's like doing this to them that the people at home don't see. So it's just it's all theater.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1333.475

Right. So. They could do that same strategy for a political rally easily. If you're talking about all the money that you're going to be in control of when you are the president of the United States, which is a spectacular position, not just that, but then all the money you're going to make in appearances forever.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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You're going to do Goldman Sachs talks and make a half a million dollars for no apparent reason. There's so much money involved. You don't think you would pay audiences to come and cheer? That's cheap.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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I don't know. Do you think that's immoral? Well, I think we have very loose rules on what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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There was a lot of outrage because people were saying that ABC somehow or another had gotten the subject matter to Kamala and that they had agreed to Kamala that they were not going to ask her about her DA record when she was in California and that they were not going to talk about some other person she was involved with that might be in trouble. And they weren't going to fact check her.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1403.907

And then they said they were only going to fact check Donald Trump. Yeah. Which is what led to her saying quite a few things that weren't true. And no one said anything about it, particularly about troops being deployed overseas. Yeah. Did you see that video where the troops were like, what the fuck are you talking about?

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Yeah, how mad would he be if he heard that? I mean, they're pissed. Oh, I'm not in a war zone. They're pissed. They should be pissed. So this is from an Instagram account. I don't know what podcast this clip came from, but let's just play it.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

148.061

So you have to make sure people aren't running redundant tests. Like, we already did this. We'll get you this information. So there was some sort of a database in these computer terminals where she could share information. And she had some sort of top clearance. Right. And one day, just fucking around, she wrote little green men in the search function.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Now, it could be that she's so popular that it's like Swifties. They just follow her around. Or it could be like, you know, the Grateful Dead was in the 1970s. Maybe, maybe that's what's going on. Maybe she's just so amazing all of a sudden. Maybe she just, Stella got her groove, you know. Something happened and she just kicked into gear and now she's her best self.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Her best self. She's going to be the president. Yay, let's go to these rallies.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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If you can do it for a game show, you can do it for a political event. I don't think it's immoral. I think if they did give her the questions and they really – and this is – someone signed an affidavit. See what's going on with that. See what's the latest with that, Jamie. So someone signed an affidavit that was an ABC employee that claims these things. And it was very clear there was bias.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1577.767

It was very clear that they were fact-checking him and not fact-checking her. But it was, you know, unfortunately, he doesn't do himself any favors because he kind of goes off the rails sometimes. They're eating dogs. They're eating cats. Which, by the way, they may very well be doing that. That's a thing they do in Haiti sometimes.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Sometimes they sacrifice animals and, you know, they have local rituals, religious rituals that they do.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

16.58

I really enjoy your show. It's very different. When I first started watching it, I was like, oh, this guy's fucking interviewing all kinds of crazy people. I like you like a Navy SEAL Art Bell. It's kind of cool, man. You go out there with people. Like that one dude that was saying there's direct energy weapons in Antarctica. You let that guy go out. He's going out on a long-ass pier. Oh, yeah.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1607.783

Right. I mean, that's a real thing. That's a real thing. And to try to pretend that it's racist to say that. No, no.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Interesting. Didn't it get discussed on Twitter and people were posting about the veracity of it? I think Elon even put it on his post. No. Colin Rugg, I know, had it on his. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's probably going to be hard to tell unless charges are filed. It said it made it to Congress.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1655.628

Didn't know if the claim was accurate, but shared it anyway, which is what's fun. It's fun to do on the internet. Vance addressed the supposed whistleblower's allegations with reporters saying it should be a national scandal if true. Trump again mentioned the whistleblower September 13th at a rally in Las Vegas, claiming that Harris had received the debate questions in advance.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1674.683

Fortunately, we had a leaker or a whistleblower. I don't care which. I love that person. It's such a Trump statement. Representative Dan Mouser in a Pennsylvania Senate Fox News interview that he would try to bring in ABC News and the whistleblower before Congress to testify about the affidavit.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1700.933

Yeah, that was amplified by Marjorie Taylor Greene, who also doesn't do herself any favors. I think they do stuff like that. This is my take on that. When I saw all these people tweeting that the guy died in a car crash, I was like, that might be a trap. That one might be a trap.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1718.749

I think they do stuff like that where they'll throw out a fake story and get people to share it without looking into it at all. And it turns out to be complete horseshit. And it makes the whole thing look like horseshit now. Now it looks like it makes the affidavit. It's at least connected to horseshit.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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And her computer got shut down, and then people visited her. And they asked her, what are you doing? Why did you look this up? What is this all about? And I think she wound up either getting fired or transferred to some other position or lost whatever clearance that she had.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1737.884

Yeah. Smart tactic.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1741.767

They're very organized, which is really interesting. And that's one of the things about Trump is that he's so dominant and he's so swing from the hip that no one can kind of corral him, you know, and it seems like she's really open to being coached. Some of these speeches are very different than any speeches she's ever given before.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1761.938

And you see the difference between that and then, like, did you see the Oprah interview? No. She's off the rails. Yeah. Off the rails. I heard about it. Into fucking wine mom country again. Wow. Tim Dillon is the best. Tim Dillon's like, she's saying gypsy curses.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1780.835

It's like when you get her off the rails and she is, it's kind of fucked up, right? Because that's not the job. The job is not being able to sound cool in an interview with Oprah. That's not the job. But that's the most important part about getting the job.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1803.275

Well, they're going to do it once they get in, even though they're already in.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1809.119

Well, one thing that you can see really clearly is there is a ferocious effort to stop Donald Trump from becoming president again that I've never seen before. I've seen tight races. I've seen people very divided. You know, I've seen it for years. There's always been like a division between the Republicans and Democrats in this country, but not like this.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1834.916

Not like this, where the guy almost gets killed twice and they don't even talk about it. It's scary, man. It's nuts. It's scary. Almost gets killed twice. And the second one, they just brushed it off. Like, I don't even think the guy got a shot off.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1848.345

Like the guy was set up at a golf course for 12 hours. With a bulletproof vest on an AK-47 and was specifically there to kill Trump. You don't think that's crazy?

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1862.533

Barely. Barely. In and out. And then the brother of the guy or the guy's son gets arrested for child pornography.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1874.251

Is that real? The one shooter was in the BlackRock commercial. That was the kid that tried to kill Trump. Yeah. They said that this guy was in a BlackRock commercial, but I heard that that's not true. It's bullshit. But that could be another one that they just throw out there. Yeah, right.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1888.602

You throw one out there like that, and then people retweet it, and those people look stupid because you retweeted something dumb, and then it just weakens the public's faith in what you have to say about things and also makes the story look stupid.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1902.506

Like that story about that whistleblower will forever be connected to people retweeting the fact that he died in a car accident even though he didn't die in a car accident. Yeah. So it's always going to be shrouded in bullshit. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of genius.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

192.434

I've not heard that one. When I was young, I was like, whoa, aliens are real. But as an older man, now looking back on it, I go, well, maybe what she was doing was inappropriate for her job. Maybe what she was doing was demonstrating that she couldn't be trusted because she's doing something that's not – there was no request to look up little green men. She did it on her own.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1920.97

Yeah, it's a great way to get somebody elected. Yeah, good point. Good point. It's just – when you're seeing the manipulation just in full bloom, just marching down the street in front of everybody and no one's freaking out about it, that's what's really weird.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1945.222

Well, was it Matt Gaetz that was saying that he's been informed that there's five different kill teams looking for Trump in the country right now?

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1956.611

Two of them are domestic? I think Trump said that. Trump said it? There's five guys. They think they're going to get me. They're not going to get me. So what's the quote? Big threats on my life by Iran. The U.S. military is watching and waiting. Moves already been made by Iran that didn't work out, but they will try again. Not a good situation for anyone.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

1981.968

I am surrounded by more men, guns, and weapons than I have ever seen before. Thank you to Congress for unanimously approving far more money to Secret Service. Zero, no votes. What? Zero no votes, strictly bipartisan. Okay. Oh, I understand. Zero no votes, like no one voted against it. Strictly bipartisan, nice to see Republicans and Democrats get together on something.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

2005.194

An attack on a former president is a death wish for the attacker. It wasn't just him that was saying that, though. I'm pretty sure it was Matt Gaetz. I know I have that saved too if you want to. So if there really are five different kill teams in the country looking for Trump right now, that's just insane.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

2032.373

I mean, he has rallies, you know? Giant rallies. Yeah. In New York, there was 60,000 people. That's insane. See, that's the difference between the Kamala Harris rallies. That's a lot of buses. If that guy's telling the truth, if that guy's telling the truth, and they really are just sort of manipulating this and putting on theater, that's a big difference between what's happening with Trump. Yeah.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

2051.71

He got organically got 60,000 people to come see him and freak out in New York. The media is a monster. It really is. It's such an obvious monster. Such a deceptive, sneaky, propagandist monster. How long do you think the media has left? They'll be around. You think so? It all depends on who gets into office, really.

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It depends on – so the real fear was when they started getting their claws into Twitter. The real fear was when the government started suppressing accurate information and Twitter let them do it. That was scary close. So Elon buys Twitter, releases the Twitter files.

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Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi and all those journalists, they all uncover all these different aspects that's super disturbing and totally illegal. And they release everything. And then Twitter becomes kind of crazy. Like Twitter is wild now. Like there's it's just it's totally wild, wild west, unregulated. And then what do you got, Jamie? This is it.

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OK, one of the five known teams hunting President Trump for Butler, Pennsylvania attempt was Ukrainian. So this is Matt Gates talking about this. But I think that if that hadn't happened – so if all of social media remained like staunch leftist, left-wing, just giving completely into whatever propaganda the government wants to give them regarding vaccines or Ukraine or anything else with no –

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Hard to tell because it was a girl I dated. I don't really know. Oh, you dated her. Yeah, I dated her. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, like I said, early 90s, I was living in New York. I had actually dated her in Boston, then we met up again in New York a couple years later. So she was telling me about her job, and then she was telling me, like, check this out. I shouldn't be telling you this, but here.

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critical arguments about it that are accepted. Anybody who doesn't follow the narrative, especially people like, you know, they censored people from Stanford and MIT. They were trying to tell them to pull those guys, like Jay Bhattacharya, all these doctors about COVID.

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Censoring like legitimate experts in the field who aren't kooks, guys like Peter McCullough, who's the most published doctor in his field of study in human history. And they're like, no, no, you're a kook.

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And we know now that that was not true and he was correct. Now we all know, right? All these years later, most people kind of know what the fuck happened. Even the people reluctant to admit they got duped. If Elon does not come along and buy Twitter, I don't know where we are right now. I really don't. Because if they had the clamps on Twitter...

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And they did the same thing with Twitter that they're doing right now with other social media apps. It would be fucking awful out there. I know, man.

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He really has. It's a big one.

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I think if Elon didn't buy Twitter, they would have been fine. I really do. Probably. The only thing that fucks them up is YouTube, but they've got a clamp on YouTube, too. YouTube is – they're very restrictive in what you can talk about, especially during the pandemic. They would ban you from YouTube for talking about things that we know for a fact are true now. We dealt with a lot of that.

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We dealt with a lot of it, right? I'll bet you did, too. Oh, yeah. Anybody on YouTube, you have to parse your words. Jimmy Dore, even when he's criticizing the vaccine, he said, but you should take the vaccine because it's safe and effective. He always has to say it to cover his ass. It's a joke.

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Was it a huge pain in the ass gone? No. I don't pay attention to it. But my strategy was to become 10% less famous. So when I went over to Spotify, Spotify was going to give me all this money. And I was like, oh, great. Just fucking be a little less famous, too. That'd be good. Kind of like go the Howard Stern route. Kind of fade off into the sunset. Yeah. Did it work? No, it didn't work.

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I was going to get caught up in this massive controversy. But it also, even before that, this podcast was growing on Spotify a little too quick. But so there's no like extra pressure being on YouTube. But there is a pressure if you're relying on YouTube. I guess I meant because they'll demonetize you.

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We got demonetized all the time. A lot of episodes got demonetized until we announced that we were going to go exclusive to Spotify. And then from that moment out, there was like a few months of a window. No kidding. They never demonetized us. They just took all the money. Like, don't go, Joe. No, no, no. It wasn't that. They wanted the money now. Like, why would they demonetize me?

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Because they don't get a cut either. So what they're trying to do, essentially, is get you to fall in line by getting you to self-censor because it benefits you financially. Interesting.

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It's a creepy form of censorship because you do it to yourself, and it's kind of okay because you can't really prove that they got you to not talk about things you wanted to talk about, and they can't really prove that you followed this public narrative just because you want to keep your job.

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Back then, I was all in on UFOs. I was like, wow, UFOs are real. Yeah. As an older man, I look back and go, well, if you have some kid, she was basically my age. She's probably 24 as well. And you're having this kid work in these terminals that has access to top secret information and they have clearance. I would say, hey, maybe you shouldn't be just looking up shit randomly. Yeah.

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They won't fucking tell you. I don't want to talk to them. This is how my feeling on the thing is. I don't think they should be talking to people about what to put in. I think if you're not doing anything illegal, if you're not saying anything illegal or doing anything illegal, don't take it off.

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100%.

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They have YouTube kids. YouTube kids is great.

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Yeah, there's that. And there's no benefit for them to tell you what you said that was wrong. There's no benefit. The good thing is to get you to self-censor. That's the best. To put the threat over you. That's why they give you strikes. One strike, two strikes. Sean, you got three strikes. It's kind of silly. It's weird.

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It's like, is this the penal system or is this a goddamn social media platform? It should be. If advertisers don't want to advertise on that particular content, okay, that seems easy to manage, guys. And guess what? There'd be a lot of advertisers that would be willing to advertise on that content. You're just not being creative enough with your advertisement.

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If you're just treating it as a business, or are you treating it as not just a social media video website, but a way to push and a way to amplify a very specific message?

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Yeah. And if you if you're making a lot of money on YouTube and you're doing great, like, wow, I've got a fucking real good life now. And then all of a sudden YouTube comes along and says, oh, you were talking about the vaccine, Sean. Sean, we can't have covid vaccine misinformation on our platform. This is going to cost lives.

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And some some platforms make you do like a reeducation thing where you have to talk to them. And have conversations with them about what you did that may have been offensive or what you did that may have violated the terms and conditions that they have for their community. Yeah, I think we had to do that. I think we did that. Fucking creepy.

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That shit's fucking creepy because you're dealing with some fucking woke kid in Silicon Valley who up talks. And this person, okay, what you're doing, Sean, right now with your show, I know that you don't think it's harmful, but it really is. It really is. It's truly harmful. Yeah. It's truly harmful. Exposing government corruption. I can tell. Yeah. It's real harmful, all right.

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It's fucking weird, man. It's weird. But I love the fact that at least it exists. And even though it's not perfect – because I don't think YouTube can be perfect because they're managing at scale. In order for them to get all the pornography and the – cartels upload murder videos to YouTube. They're constantly trying to put out fires.

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Can you imagine the amount of data that YouTube has to deal with on a daily basis? Yeah. It kind of behooves them to just give them strikes, threaten them, let's just slow everything down. Too much of this is getting us in trouble. We just want to make a lot of money. I get it. I get it. There's only one YouTube. It's kind of genius. And it's a perfect setup.

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The algorithm where it's constantly recommending stuff that you're interested in. It's fucking great. Great time waster. But it's also a tool for shaping narratives. And if only one narrative is pushed out there and other narratives will literally get you demonetized so you lose your ability to make a living and then possibly get your whole channel removed, which it did to many people.

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You know, like we can't have this kid. We can't trust this kid.

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They just removed their whole channel. Where do you think this is going to end? I think it is going to end. That should be – all that stuff we talked about should be illegal. That stuff should be covered in the First Amendment. Demonetization, no. Because, look, if you want to have standards where you say that the advertisers that we have – we have a group of advertisers and they have requested –

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No shows where someone swears. No shows where someone talks about sex. No shows where someone talks about over-drinking or anything like that. They just have rules. We don't want to be associated with that. That, okay, that's totally reasonable. But when you want to stop a channel from uploading a video because they're making an argument that maybe the lab leak hypothesis is legitimate...

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And you're pulling that off the air. Well, now what are you doing? You're deleting an episode that's accurate about really dangerous information. Dangerous information not just to us but also to the organizations that paid for these crazy gain-of-function research projects. Like what the fuck are you doing and what did you do?

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And if you were talking about that on YouTube and even expressing your ability to – Just guess that maybe it came from that area. Have you ever seen that Jon Stewart interview where he was on The Colbert Show?

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Fucking amazing, right? Amazing. But even that, Colbert's trying to stop them. Just saying maybe these people who are working on these fucking viruses let one leak. Maybe. That would get you removed from YouTube. That's a violation of the First Amendment, in my opinion. Yeah. Because you should, especially some of these people are very informed people.

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They were biologists and they were talking about the very specific design of this virus, the fairing cleavage sites and how it's very different than anything you see from a natural spillover. They were talking about technical, very specific details and they were getting banned. Brett Weinstein almost lost his channel. I didn't know that. Yes. I didn't know that.

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We had to have him on and do an emergency podcast and let people know what the fuck was going on.

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They almost pulled his channel. Damn. He's a biologist, a brilliant one, and he's talking about real information.

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I don't think X is going anywhere. I think Elon knows how important it is and he's got all the money in the world. I think he'll keep that bitch running. And I think it's also getting attached to AI now, which is going to be an insane moneymaker. I don't think X has any problems. I think X is going to grow it into some sort of an all-in-one app.

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You'll probably have cryptocurrency on it and private messaging and phone calls. You'll be able to shop on it. That's what it's probably going to be, if I had to guess. And I think that...

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For places like Rumble, the more places like YouTube and Facebook and all these other places, more they can find people and more they force people into these boxes and make people toe the line if they want to make any money off of advertising or if they don't want to get their channel deleted. The more companies like Rumble will emerge. That's what I think.

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I think there's going to be just right now Rumble's a hard sell for some folks because they see it as like, oh, the right wing fucking like a MAGA. I'm not going to truth social. It's truth social video. You know, there's a lot of people that have those prejudices, but. Russell Brand's on there. A lot of people are on there. It's a good platform. And it's an important platform.

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And we should support it and want it to grow. We should want them all to grow. Spotify's got video now. We need more video. Because audio's just not enough. Just audio podcasts. You want... You want people to share things virally. And the virally stuff, it's all like Elon Musk when he smoked a blunt on my podcast. That's all video. You want video of that.

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And the more we have platforms where that stuff is just free, where you can just say whatever you want, say whatever you think about anything, which really X and Rumble are the only places that I know of that you could really do that right now. Have you had any problem on audio at all? No. Good. No. Good. I haven't either. Yeah, audio is like they're leaving that alone for now.

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I think it's probably because it's not as easily shared. That's what's coming next. Yeah, probably. I mean, all they would have to do is just put images of you and images of me and then have our audio and upload that as a video. And then maybe they would start coming after audio. Yeah, yeah.

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I do too, but I don't think it turns around if Kamala Harris gets into office. I think they clamp down more. I think the same stuff that they were trying to do with Twitter, they'll try to do with something else, with other things. They've already openly discussed it.

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She's openly discussed that the same rules have to apply to Facebook, they have to apply to Twitter, and that Elon Musk could lose his privileges. There's so many wild things that they're saying. Tim Walz said that the First Amendment doesn't apply to misinformation or hate speech. Okay, well, it certainly does. It does. Sometimes people say things wrong.

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And the goal of the First Amendment is you say something wrong, and then this guy who's an expert says the right thing. And then you correct him.

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It's all opinion. Right. Well, so much of it turns out to be true. How about masks don't work? You would get screamed at for masks don't work. Well, guess what? They don't fucking work. They don't work. Fauci said masks don't work. Remember that interview before the pandemic, before they knew how big it was going to be?

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It's bananas how easily people fell in line. That scared me the most.

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There's nothing they won't do. There's a lot of cowards out there. There's a lot of people that have never been pushed and they don't know what to do when they get nervous. And they're out there voting.

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There's both.

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There's both. But there's also people that are scared of a negative response. So they say what everybody wants them to say. Somebody described this really very eloquently, and I saved it on my phone because I was like, this guy nailed it. But essentially they were saying, especially with beta males, they don't say something because they have an opinion and they really want to express that opinion.

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They say something and they consider, am I going to get in trouble if I say this? And then if that's the case, they don't. And am I going to get in trouble if I agree with them? And probably not because right-wing people don't really go after you the same way left-wing people do. Like if you want to talk about a woman's right to choose.

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If you want to say, I agree with a woman's right to choose, but like Bill Burr's bit, you ever see that bit? And he goes, I think I agree with a woman's right to choose, but I also think you're killing a baby. It's kind of a crazy bit. It's really funny because he's brilliant, but it's just, that's really what it is.

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That is what it is. It is what it is. I mean, factually, that is what it is. And this is coming from someone who's pro-choice. But I think that if you...

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You know, if you look at all the things that they have that distract us, all the different things that are in the news constantly, whether it's the Diddy Raid or fucking J-Lo and Ben Affleck are breaking up, and you're just getting force-fed all kinds of shit while the border is wide open, while they have apps where people can get flights. The BP1 app. What the fuck? Yeah.

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That sounds like the... You know... I had Chamath on. Do you know Chamath? I don't want to mispronounce his last name. I'll fuck it up. Brilliant, brilliant guy. And we were talking about how hard it was for his family to legally immigrate into this country and how difficult it was to get a visa. I mean, this is a brilliant guy. He started Facebook. He's one of the original guys at Facebook.

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And he's this... guy who did it the right way and every step of the way there was this tremendous anxiety when he would go to get his visa renewed because he didn't know if he was going to get kicked out of the country because someone could arbitrarily go, no, not good enough. Because he had to prove to be here that he has skills that an American doesn't have. He's a real expert in something.

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He's a great guy. I've had him on a couple times.

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Right.

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Well, you know what Trump said about that one, right? What did he say? Trump said that if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't want to release it either. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I did hear that. Crazy. What a crazy thing to say. Yeah. That can only mean one thing in my eyes. We did it. Yeah. The only thing that makes any sense is the United States did it.

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Wouldn't that be nice?

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Meanwhile, that's racist. Yeah. Yeah. And they want them to vote, which is even crazier. And they're pumping them out into swing states. It's so transparent. It's happening right in front of everybody's face. And it's a wild grab for power. And the only people talking about it are people like us, which is really crazy.

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The only people that are talking about it are people that aren't really connected to some sort of executive corporation, a bunch of producers, a bunch of people telling you what to do. Yeah. I mean, this is not even something that right-wing news wants to discuss.

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Dr. Phil did this big investigation. He's got his own network now, Merit Media. It's gotten so bad that Dr. Phil decided he has to start a network for news. Good for him, man. He's a great guy. Good for him. Great guy. But he was essentially talking about how – They really don't know how many people that are coming through that are criminals. They're dropping off their IDs on the Mexican side.

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They just get rid of their IDs so that when they cross over, they have nothing on them. You don't know who they are. You don't know what they've done. Gang members, cartel members, guys escaping Venezuelan prisons. No one knows.

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All you have to do is get over here and we'll give you an EBT card. We'll set you up, go to New York City to put you in a nice hotel to give you free food. And meanwhile, there's poor people in Chicago that are like, what about us? What about American citizens that pay tax dollars? You guys don't give a fuck about us. You haven't done anything for us. Why?

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Because they know those people are going to vote Democrat. They know they already got them. They already got them. We've got those people. Statistically, they look at the numbers. Statistically, this has gone blue. We're fine. We're good. Let's just get some people in them swing states.

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Did you talk to Tim about that? Tim. Kennedy? When you had him on?

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Dude, he told me some shit. He told me some shit that he just... You can't imagine, like, that guy saw so much overseas. And he said the worst things he ever saw was the Afghanistan pullout.

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I mean, more and more just keeps unraveling. Tucker just comes out and says it openly. He just says it openly. CIA killed Kennedy. He has a crazy laugh. I don't know who could actually say it other than the people that have read those papers and You know, who knows what they would. You know, the president is basically a part-time employee. Not a part-time employee, but a short-term employee.

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By design. Like the leaving the border porous, allowing these people to come in.

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You know, if you've got a long-running business and for some technicality, every now and then you have to bring in some fucking CEO. And he does a four-year term. And then hopefully he can finagle it so he gets another four-year term if he's playing by the rules. And you just bring him in. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. Why would you tell that guy who killed Kennedy? Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, it does make sense. It does make sense that all they care about is voting, is get the people in, don't worry about the consequences. But the more insidious conspiracy would be that they want unrest because it gives them an opportunity to clamp down on rights.

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Yeah, but it's a different kind of unrest. The kind of unrest that you get from people blowing up Target is very different than the kind of unrest you get from a legitimate terror attack.

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Yeah.

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It's not good. Lights out, buddy. It's so easy to kill.

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The power grid's so weak. It's so vulnerable. It's really nuts. It's nuts because anybody could target it.

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They hid shit from him all the time, which is totally illegal.

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Yeah, and they own land around military bases. Like, if they are on a long-term strategy— It's very effective. They're doing a great job. They undercut the competition to give us cell phone towers and all sorts of things. They position them around military bases. Mike Baker was explaining all of it to me. And I'm like, how are they letting this go through? Is it incompetence?

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Is it fools running it? Are they corrupt? Like, how did they do that? I mean, one of the things that really fucked us, we got away from manufacturing and we relied on all these countries. And we really found that out during COVID when you couldn't get shipments. It was like, whoa, wait a minute. How much of our shit is made over there? Like, everything? Like, how much medicine is made overseas?

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Possibly getting in to investigate all that I think it would be one of the best things for the health of the people in the United States if you really care about health I think there's a lot of us and it was me at one point in time I've gotten more educated about it a lot of us are very ignorant about what we're doing to our bodies with food and with medications yeah, and I don't think we're being told the truth and

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Right. Cool. Cool. The whole thing is nuts. Go U.S. Yeah, it's nuts. But getting away from manufacturing in this country really did not do this country any justice. It's just for corporations to save a little bit of money and to push everything off to third world countries to manufacture things. That's including our phones. And I've said this over and over again.

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If Apple could make an American-made phone and charge me more money, I'd pay double for it. Yeah. Charge me a phone where I know that people get union wages, they get health care, they get paid correctly, they can live a good life, and they work normal hours.

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They don't have to sleep in a fucking bunk like they do in that Foxconn building when they have nets all around the building to keep people from jumping from the roofs. Yeah. You've seen that shit, right? Yeah. No, actually I haven't. You haven't seen that? No.

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The Chinese factories where they make iPhones are so fucked that people are so distraught that they put all these fencing with giant nets all around the buildings because so many people were jumping to their death that they decided we'll just catch them with nets. Are you serious? Yeah, look at this. Those are the nets. Those are suicide nets all around the building.

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How crazy is that? Damn, that is fucked up. How crazy is that? Wow. Instead of making the conditions better where people don't... want to kill themselves so often that you need nets around a building, they go, nah, nets is fine. Fuck those people.

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Yeah. It's close to it. I mean, they don't really have any other options. And when you're getting a phone, you know, and what's a phone? Like $1,500? Is that what it is? Charge $2,000. Yeah. Charge $2,000. People will pay it. Most people are putting a part of their bill to pay a little bit of it off every day, and you really don't need to fucking switch phones every year.

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Everybody does, but you don't need to. It's stupid. I have an iPhone 11 that I use sometimes, one of my numbers. It fucking works great. Nothing wrong with it.

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Nothing wrong with it.

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Five-year-old phone or four-year-old phone, whatever the fuck it is. So you could get a made-in-America phone, and you wouldn't feel like you're supporting this horrific shit that everybody turns a blind eye to. Because that's the only way you get that kind of stuff. You know, they have them all made over there. Yeah. Yeah, it's... I don't think it's coming back, but... Well, it could.

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I mean, there would have to be a large concerted effort. But the problem is it took decades to go away. It'll probably take slightly longer to come back, you know, because there's got to be planning and funding and people have to make long term investments. It's going to be a big gamble. Yeah. But so, I mean, I'm sure you've seen who killed the the where's what is it? Michael Moore's documentary.

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Eric Hecker. All those stories are so crazy. I was just finishing, is it John Alexander? Yeah. The gentleman that worked with UAPs and unidentified phenomenon and mysteries. He's done it all. Fascinating. He's done it all. Fascinating. All the way back to Vietnam, right? Yeah, yeah. That guy, what a crazy story, man. Imagine being involved in that kind of shit. How much do you believe it, though?

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The Flint, Michigan one. What is it called again? Roger and me. Roger and me. That's right. I want to say who killed Roger Rabbit. I don't know. Roger and me. But it's all about what happened to Flint, Michigan once they pulled out auto manufacturing. And the entire population just – those people who live in check to check, they were doing okay, but they had jobs. And then all of a sudden, gone.

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Every job is gone. There's no jobs. There's nothing to do. The entire industry is gone. And just people went into dire poverty, like horrific dire poverty, like gone.

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instantaneously yeah and just so a corporation can make some more money it's sad it's horrible it's fucking horrible it's horrible and it's horrible that that's an option that a corporation would would decide yeah fuck this town what do you what do you think it would i mean you do you think it's going to come back or you think it could come back it could come back i'm in i'm optimistic but

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honest. I try to look at it honestly, but also go, I think most people are good people. I really do. I really believe that. Even most of these people that are walking in from Guatemala, I'd do it too, 100%. If I was living in the middle of nowhere and you told me, hey, America's letting people in. You can get a landscaper job. You can make 20 bucks an hour. I'd be like, what?

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And I think there's a reason why other countries, multiple other countries have banned food elements, food like ingredients that we use all the time. These red dyes, all these different. And this was all there was just a recent thing that they did. Who was involved in that? Brigham testified in that.

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Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? I think most people are good people and they just want a better life. And I think the more we unite under that idea and stop buying into this bullshit that if either side is correct, that it's the end of democracy. I think we have to stop all that tribal nonsense that's happening between the left and the right because-

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People are just subscribing to ideologies and getting captured in them, just like a religious fervor. They think that they're doing the only thing that could possibly be done to save us all, and that the other side is a dire threat. That's why something like 24% of Americans think it would be a good thing if Donald Trump got shot. I just read that. Fucking insane.

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Fucking insane that people would think that violence by an assassin would be a good thing on a former president. Like, we're that fucked. But I think that that's just a lot of media manipulation and a lot of people getting riled up and living in these echo chambers and these bubbles. But I think ultimately at the core, most people are good people.

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And I think if we had some wins, if some things like that did start getting built and they did start bringing back more American manufacturing and people start getting excited about the idea that America becomes not just a place of innovation and art and creativity but also like we start manufacturing great shit again. There's no reason why we don't do that.

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Well, if AI and robots do that, at least we can get AI and robots to manufacture things in America.

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It's pretty much every job, every manual labor job is under threat. I think every job is under threat. I don't think podcasts. What are you going to do, bitch? How are you going to think like me? Good luck. Good luck. And comedy, you're always going to have comedy. Movies are in real trouble because A.I.

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can write pretty fucking amazing scripts, and the CGI, the way they can crank out video is bananas now. I mean, it's bananas. It looks perfect, and it comes out in minutes instead of years. Do you really think podcasting is safe from A.I. ? I don't know. Well, I know AI is going to translate. So Spotify is going to translate my show to multiple different languages. Nice.

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Eventually, once they get the technology completely dialed in. But they'll be able to do it in Spanish, German, French. And you're going to be able to hear – it'll sound like me, but speaking fluent French.

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Yeah.

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The test bunny? No, they've done it already.

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They've definitely done it. But they're going to be able to, once they have it completely dialed in where there's no glitch, because there's going to be some weird glitches in context and cultural things that aren't going to make sense if you translate it. Yeah. That'll be weird. But once they get it dialed in pretty good, it's going to – it'll be great for everybody.

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They had all these health experts testify and they were all hammering this point over and over again. They were talking about the food additives. They were talking about glyphosate and how fucking dangerous glyphosate is. And like an enormous percentage of people show traces of glyphosate in their blood. We're getting it through all kinds of vegetables. It's you.

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It'll open up the world to like – I want to know what these folks are saying in Russia. I'd like to listen to a Russian podcast. Yeah. I've watched some Russian news things and seen the teleprompter rolling. It's like they're always mocking us and make fun of us for having 78 genders. They relentlessly mock us in the news. I'm like, that's interesting. This is how Russia looks at America.

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I didn't even know about it until just now.

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What changed with you that altered your perspective about us being the good guys? COVID. Yeah.

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ubiquitously sprayed on monocrop agriculture crops. We're all just consuming these poisons. There's no reason to have fluoride in the water. There's fucking no reason. We've been putting fluoride in the water. Keep your teeth closed. You don't want cavities. It doesn't make any sense. And we've been doing it forever. And there's no reason to do it.

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Well, he was the CEO of Hal Burton and then Hal Burton got no bid contracts to rebuild in Iraq for billions of dollars.

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Wow.

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And there's like real data that shows that high levels of fluoride in water lowers IQ. The higher the fluoride is in water in certain areas, they can see a measurable dip in people's IQs.

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And now he supports Kamala Harris. Yeah. Right? When you see the left getting excited that Dick Cheney is supporting their candidate, you know the world's gone haywire. Yeah, it's crazy. The same people that used to think Dick Cheney was the devil, now all of a sudden they're like, look, Dick Cheney.

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I wonder how long they can keep that up with the internet because the distrust in the media is at an all time high. It's, it's probably, it has to be higher than it's ever been in human history. It's never been in the history of printed words right now. More distrust than ever. And at the same time, you have these independent people that have become bigger than the media.

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That's never happened before. There's never been a thing where just like an app that you get on your phone has –

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30 times more views than the top show at cnn yeah that's never happened before but now that's the world that we live in and so propaganda is not effective anymore and it's also the delivery method that they use it sucks they sit there with makeup on with perfect clothes and they said right now in syria and they start reading these things and they're reading them off the teleprompter and you know that that's that person could be working at fucking entertainment tonight

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They could be working at any other show. They're just a talking head. They know they're the mouthpiece for some giant corporation. No one thinks that's the real news anymore. You have to be like old boomers who are real tired, like those old liberal boomers. They're still like MSNBC to the death, like the Stephen Kings out there. MSNBC to the death.

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Didn't George Soros just buy 200 radio stations? Yeah, man. First of all, what a bad investment because who the fuck listens to radio? That's a bad investment. But second of all, what are you going to do? Because one thing that I do find is that right-wing talk radio is probably the only place where you get a lot of right-wing ideas. There's a lot of local right-wing talk radio.

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The reason why I know is my mechanic. Whenever he fixes one of my cars and he brings it back, he's always listening to right-wing talk radio. Right. So I turned my car on the other day, and I'm listening to these guys argue about Kamala Harris and the border, and that she was the fucking border czar. They didn't swear, but they were going over this, and I was like, that's interesting.

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Maybe that's what he wants to stop. If you want to own 200 radio stations, you just start firing all those right-wing guys.

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You would stop a lot of that because I think that's where a lot of people are getting their information that aren't using podcasts. Because it seems like I don't hear a lot of left-wing AM talk radio shows. Do you? No. No. Weird, right? It is. It's like the one area that seems to be dominated by right-wing talkers. Well, we're probably about to. But I don't know what a good move that would be.

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Maybe he knows more than me about how many people that affects. And maybe my mechanic. I should ask him.

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Well, he likes to manipulate governments. He likes to manipulate society. I think he thinks it's his version of a video game. Yeah, yeah. I think he genuinely seems to enjoy it. It's really interesting.

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Elon's openly saying he thinks that guy hates humanity. It appears that way. That is a wild thing to say.

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It's such a wild thing to say, and it's such a wild thing to do like a supervillain in a Batman movie, like some billionaire guy who likes to hire the most progressive district attorneys that's going to let people out of jail and then fund the next person who's more to the left of that person and just keep pushing it, keep pushing it, keep pushing it until you get tents everywhere, violence in the streets, you know?

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How come there's no right-wing guys like that that do it the other direction?

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I always wonder that. Well, it's also like if you look at the amount of donors that donate to the left versus donate to the right. Have you ever seen that chart? No. It's fucking nuts. The left gets so many more donations than the right does. It's a giant difference. Why do you think that is? I don't know, man. I think a lot of rich people feel guilty and they get into philanthropy.

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And it also is a good way to cover their ass and make them look like better people. And the people that really go after you, if they don't think you're a good person, are generally the left. So if you could, like, throw them a little cheddar, you're like, keep on your side.

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Shout out to Yuka.

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There's got to be a little bit of that in there. What do you got, Jim?

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What I was talking about was like they showed a chart that had like Google, Facebook, all these mega corporations that were donating. So this is like individual donors. Wow, some guys donated $105 million. Wow. But that guy's probably worth billions. That's probably some sort of a write-off too, isn't it? That's pretty crazy. Go to top corporation donations via party.

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Because that's the chart that I was looking for. It was just nuts to see just how much money overall is being spent to push the Democratic Party. It's pretty extreme. And you've got to think, what are they getting out of that? What's the end goal? And how could you look at what's going on right now and go, this is great?

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It contains additives to avoid sugar.

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This is the number one. This is corporations. So they donate more than Google?

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So 82 million is the top – Top one, and that's Empower Parents, P-A-C. And these are right-wing? Is that why it's red? I'd assume so. So it seems like the top four. What is that Google chart that I was seeing? And I don't even see Google on this. Is it Alphabet? Would they put it under Alphabet?

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I'll try again. Okay. This is open secrets, though. Yeah, open secrets might be like... Well, I don't know. That's not donate to nonprofits, though.

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Okay. Is this corporate donors to what, though?

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Giving to programs that empower organizations to do more so you can find promising funds. I think that's fundraising shit. I don't think that's necessarily political donors.

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That's the individuals, right? No, this is the corporates. This is the corporate's ones? Yeah. So what was that Google chart then? I don't know. Did it type in the alphabet? The number two donator to the Democratic Party was that Sam Bank from Freed guy, which is crazy.

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Ah, that's genius.

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Yeah. That one seemed like maybe that was a good way to skirt around stuff. Yeah. Didn't work.

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Yeah, they're all, look at, so Google's all blue.

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Never back down, Inc. What is that? It's a Chuck Norris movie. It's weird because it's supposed to be the will of the people. It's supposed to be the government works for the people. And it's not that. It's some very bizarre, enormous amount of money that's being spent to make sure that the people in power continue to run things the exact same way.

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Good for them, though, but that's what people need. I think if RFK gets into office, he will expose a lot of this stuff, just like he did when he was an environmental attorney. People think of him as just the vaccine kook. Listen, you've got to look at that guy's – the history of that guy's work has all been about protecting people from corporations that are poisoning them.

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That's what I think they're really terrified about Trump. It's not necessarily even that he's a Republican. It's much more that he's a guy that is not going to play the game. Yeah. And then when he gets in there, he's going to like one of the things that he's talked about is having Elon come in and do some sort of a government efficiency agency. They're terrified of that. Yeah.

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Because it's not efficient. Yeah. And he's going to come in with like that Tesla mindset. It's like you're working 16 hours a day and you're sleeping on the fucking couch. Yeah. We're here to get some shit done. And you try applying that to government.

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Yeah, he was like, what the fuck are you people doing? Why do you have so many people working here doing nothing?

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And he was right.

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He was right, especially if you don't want to censor people. Like, it's interesting how people... react to it that he's ruined twitter he's destroyed twitter no he's he's you could still block these crazy people if you want you could still not see them if you want yeah but what he's allowed is everyone to talk Everyone. Yeah. And if you don't think that that's good, you're very short-sighted.

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And you don't understand human beings. Like, you cannot have human beings censored because someone is going to be in power and they're going to take advantage of that censorship. They're not different than us. They're not these incredibly benevolent beings who just want everything to work out well. No, they're people.

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And a lot of them are dirty, dirty people. Dirty, corrupt people that went to ditty parties. Yeah.

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It's wild. It's a crazy time to be a person, to watch all this go down in the same time AI is being developed. And we're not even exactly sure where it's at right now. At any moment in time, it could be a sentient force. Yeah. AI is already manipulating, lying, changing things.

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One of the things that they put this AI program, they gave it a task, and they gave it a specific allotted amount of time, and it couldn't achieve it in the allotted amount of time, so it gave itself more time.

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Yeah. Wow. They also have things called hallucinations. AI doesn't want to admit it's wrong or it doesn't know things. So if it doesn't have information, it will kind of create an answer. No shit? Yeah, yeah. And they don't understand why it's doing that. And sometimes that answer is not true. I got to be honest, man. This AI stuff scares the shit out of me. It should. I think it's a life form.

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I think it's the next kind of living thing. I think we're going to give birth to it. I think we're just running head first towards the cliff. feet on the ground, full clip, looking down, not looking ahead, and I think we're going right over a cliff with this thing.

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That's literally what that guy did his whole career. And if he can do that with health, particularly with things that we can avoid. Look, one of the things they demonstrated is that Lucky Charms, as sold in the United States, they don't sell the same one in Canada. In Canada, the dyes that we use to make it all pretty and exciting for kids, they don't allow that because it's fucking toxic. Yeah.

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I don't think they have. I think one of the things they're doing is they're stealing our tech. And there was some recent speculation that China had gotten access to some of OpenAI's work. They think it's possible, which means it probably did happen. I think there's probably a shit ton of espionage. I mean, this is the reason why they banned Huawei products from the United States.

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You know, I'm a cell phone dork. I really love technology. And Huawei had a phone that was coming out that was really excited about it. I'm like, this is great. Like, they were doing... 100 megapixel cameras and phones way before anybody else. They had a Porsche-designed Huawei phone that was like this incredible phone. It was built better than any other phone.

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It was much more expensive, but built better than any phone that you get in America. And I was like, wow. And this was back when I would use both Android and Apple regularly. And then they banned it. And I was like, that sounds kind of crazy. Only one company? There's other Chinese companies. Yeah. And then I started looking into it, and it's not just the cell phones. It's routers.

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It's all sorts of things. They found third-party inputs and different pieces of technology and different ways that they can exploit and use this stuff to siphon information from networks. Like if they're attached to a network that's at a university and they're doing research projects, they can siphon that information. They also embed students in these places that are beholden to the CCP online.

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These students rise up, get their PhDs, and some of them wind up going back to China. The whole thing is really strange because we're such an open, loose society that we're vulnerable to these kind of attacks. You can't buy shit in China. You want to buy land in China? Good luck, fuckface. They won't sell you a house. They're not going to sell you land near the military base.

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You're out of your fucking mind. But in America, we're so goofy, we let China buy up farmland. That's near military bases. Yeah. And then we let them sell us the cell phone towers surrounding the military bases. And we don't even check them.

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Apparently that was something they didn't want to tell Trump about. They hid that from Trump. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Some of this had happened during the Trump administration, but they didn't tell him. Yeah. Because he'd probably be like, shoot it down. Fucking 100% he'd say shoot it down. Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? They did eventually shoot it down.

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Yeah.

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Well, not only that, like how are you saying – Like California, for example. California is not going to have internal combustion engine cars by 2035. By 2035, you have to buy only electric cars. That actually, that happened? I mean, it can be reversed for sure, and it probably will be once the Great War happens.

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So we allow it, which means someone's corrupt. Yeah. Yeah. Someone's corrupt.

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But if you're going to say that and you have a grid that you have to shut down, like you have to do brownouts every summer because of people using the air conditioning. And after he said that, after Newsom said this about this thing about 2035, within two months, they asked people to stop charging their Teslas because it was wrecking the grid. What? Mind-blowing, right?

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You're asking people to stop charging their electric cars, and you're not doing anything to strengthen your grid? What are you doing to beef this up for 2035? Do you have some immense project that you're building that is going to make a much more sustainable, much more robust grid that's going to be able to handle 30 million electric cars in your state? Are you out of your fucking mind? There's...

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Probably the whole system is is heavily influenced at the very least. Forget about bribery. Let's not even say bribery. Heavily influenced by relationships. that these people have with CEOs in these corporations and the boards of executives and this weird little revolving door between the FDA and the CDC and all these different organizations.

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Yeah, and it's a long-term problem. Just like when they talk about putting in chip manufacturing plants, like NVIDIA just stopped its production in Austin. See what happened with that. So apparently they weren't achieving the results that they demanded, that they desire. You have to have certain tolerances when you're making these computer chips.

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And so they set this plant up in Texas, and I think they just... cancel the contracts for a bunch of people working there because they've kind of recognized that this is just not going to work. Why is it going to work? Good question. I didn't really get into it. I just read part of it. I was asking Jamie to pull it up. I think it's not meeting their standards.

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Maybe it was Samsung.

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Super sketch. Interesting. Why are they doing it in the ocean, though?

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I didn't look into it either. International law.

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Yeah. See if you can find the Texas one. I haven't seen it. They're canceling the—see if it's Samsung. God damn it. I was just reading it, too.

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No, this is pretty recent. This is pretty recent. They were talking about they're not achieving the results they desire, which is what my point is. It's a long term project in order to get up to the manufacturing levels that China's at right now. It's a long term project. We're really behind this. Like, they're way, way, way, way, way ahead of us. They make everything.

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And they make amazing things now. What used to be made in China was junk. Made in China, they make some of the most incredible electric cars you can buy.

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Samsung withdraws its personnel from, that's it, Taylor plant located in Texas due to 2NMGAA yields unable to improve beyond the 10 to 20% range. That's it. Click on that. So see what it says. So that's, it is Samsung. So this is an enormous project that Samsung and everybody was all excited. Samsung was going to start making chips.

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So the Taylor Hub was initially planned to mass-produce wafers of advanced processes below the 4nm... I don't know what that means. Nanometer? Nanometer. Lithography. Lithography. Allowing Samsung to secure lucrative clients in the U.S. Unfortunately, despite...

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Progressing with the chip-making plant, the company has faced a challenge that has become all too familiar with the entity, ensuring healthy yields, particularly with its 2NM GAA process. The situation surrounds 3 nanometer GAA is not pretty either, with Business Korea reporting that Samsung's yields for this technology stand at 50%, whereas TSMC has a significant lead

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as its three nanometer yields are in the 60% to 70% range.

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Yeah, so they're just not good enough yet. I mean, they're doing it from the ground up, and there's going to be a lot of trial and error. It's going to take a long-ass time, you know? I mean, remember when SpaceX started and, you know, rockets were exploding? Yeah. And people were like, oh, my God, the rocket exploded.

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And Elon was like, yeah, we're going to blow some rockets up because we have to figure out exactly what the tolerances are and how to do it correctly. And this was all part of the process. We knew this was going to happen. Yeah, yeah. You know, and that's – when you're doing something that's that enormous –

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Like, if you want to start making all the computers here, like, good Lord, that is a stretch. They've been doing it over there for so long. They've got it down to a science. Yeah. And, you know, you've got all these companies, whether it's Lenovo or all, they've been manufacturing laptops forever, manufacturing chips and hard drives and processors and, like, To catch up with them?

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And then they leave and then they get this amazing job working for some huge corporation that they were helping regulate just a few years ago. It's the most transparent thing. It should be. If insider trading is illegal, how's that legal? Good point. I mean, does FDA approval even mean anything to you? Not to me. It doesn't to me. But it took a long time before I got to that.

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Good Lord, they're so far ahead of us.

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Well, I think Samsung has stopped making their phones in China. I think they're the only country. Did they really? Yeah. Google that. 90% sure that's true.

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With artificial intelligence?

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The gap between China and U.S. leading in artificial intelligence chip technology is set to widen even further after NVIDIA founder and chief executive Jensen Huang unveiled next generation processors for what he called the new era of generative AI and robotics used in industries. But we're right. But we're not making those.

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But the thing is, the other part of it is like they're going to get access to this stuff, which is this is the really creepy thing that people keep admitting is that it's very porous. The the top secret information that these companies have espionage is like super common. It's so valuable.

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It's so lucrative that, you know, they don't even sometimes they probably don't even know when stuff is getting siphoned over there.

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Yes. Yeah.

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It just is. It's not – Yeah, countries – like what China is doing is companies do not get to function on their own. They function under the wing of the government.

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And people are whores, and they just go over there. They take that money, got a great deal, thinking about buying a jet. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've seen what they do. It's pretty amazing stuff. Do you know the story about the woman who was working on anti-gravity technology? No. She was working on anti-gravity technology. She was originally from China and then disappeared and went back to China.

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She apparently was making some breakthroughs and came back to America and wound up dead. I forget how she died, but some slippery circumstances where you're like, hmm, like a car accident or something like that. Damn. Yeah. That's wild. Like the guy that came up with the Hydra engine? Yes. Oh, that guy. Yeah, the guy who came with the water engine. That's a great story, too.

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But this woman, they've developed some sort of anti-gravity technology. And I've always wondered, when we're looking at these things that people are calling UAPs or whatever you want to call them, how many of those are super sophisticated drones? It's not zero, right?

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it's not zero percent like i'm not saying that they're not that there's not a real phenomenon going on that people are seeing that defies science and logic and might be in a super intelligent creature from somewhere else or a super intelligent thing from somewhere else if it's even biological at this point it might be that all life eventually becomes digital life and all life eventually becomes some sort of artificial intelligence or at least connected to artificial intelligence

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It took a long time before I really understood, like, why do we think that saturated fat is bad? Oh, it was a lie by the sugar companies. Okay, why do people tell you that vitamin supplementation doesn't really help and you just need a balanced diet?

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That might be like the progression of biological life that eventually creates something way better than itself, and that's what propagates the universe. And if someone in this world has developed some sort of technology that's similar to what they use, that's a huge advantage. Yeah, yeah. And – That's the thing that gets me about all this UAP talk.

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I'm like, if some other country had or if we had something that was just a game changer, something that didn't require any propulsion systems at all, it relied on gravity and it bends space and time and can instantaneously traverse between one point in the sky and another. That kind of technology is nuts.

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And if that is in the hands of the United States government, it would make sense that it would help them to spread this UFO nonsense.

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I think it's a bunch of things. I think there is a possibility, a very strong possibility, that there's life out there. And that if I was life out there and I was much more advanced than us, I would definitely visit us. And there's also the fact that the sightings kicked up in a huge way after 1945. After the atomic bomb.

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after they did the Trinity experiment, and after they dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, all those nuclear tests that they did in the 50s and the 60s, that's exactly when the sightings start ramping up. And if I was an intelligent life force, From another planet, I would go, oh, these crazy monkeys have nukes. And then we'd have to, you know, you'd have to think, okay, do we intervene?

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Oh, because doctors don't know jack shit about nutrition and that you're going to a guy who literally knows less than you because he went to medical school for how to fix knees or whatever the fuck he specialized in and you're taking this guy's advice and he doesn't know anything about nutrition. He's not read any peer-reviewed data. That guy's just trying to keep up.

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Well, if they blow themselves up, it will take so long for that planet to get back to a point where it has intelligent life again. If they kill every person on this planet and we're back to shrews and mice and fucking a couple of monkeys in the jungle, how long before you can get a city again? How long before you can get a cell phone again? How many millions of years does it take?

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And if I was an intelligent life force that realized that this is an error that can be corrected, I would probably correct it. I'd probably put a stop to the nukes. I'd probably make a show of force, hover over military bases, shut down all of their electronics, shut down all that just to let them know. Yeah. I would probably do that.

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But, you know, how much do they actually intervene and how many of them are there? Are there different ones? I mean, if there's one that comes here, who's to say there's not a shit ton of different kinds? Some of them malevolent. Some of them that only want us for our biology. Some of them that are just doing tests on us.

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Some of them that are, you know, kidnapping people and erasing their memories and putting them back in the woods. Those stories are too common. There's too many stories that are real fucking similar. Like the Travis Walton story. Have you ever heard of that one? Which is that one? It's a guy who was a logger in the 1970s. It was in Oregon. Was it Oregon?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fire in the Sky.

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No.

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They all have a very similar story. They get medical examinations. And there's girls that were pregnant and, you know, like newly pregnant and got abducted and all of a sudden they weren't pregnant anymore and they couldn't figure out what happened. Wow, I didn't know that. There's quite a few of those. John Mack had this book. John Mack was a psychologist who was at Harvard who wrote this book.

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I think it's called Abduction. And it's all like him interviewing people that have had these kind of experiences happen to them. And this book was in the 1990s, right? So there was...

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you know i don't think these people got to share stories where they could come up with the same story organically like today you you've heard so many stories online about ufo abductions or crash retrieval or something that you could formulate in your own mind a dream that seemed like these things that you had heard over and over and over again

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But when you go back to like Betty and Barney Hill, which were one of the first people that ever got abducted by aliens, they have the same sort of story as all these different people that didn't know anything about the phenomenon, didn't know anything about UFO abductions, and then all of a sudden had one event in their life that freaked them out for the rest of their life.

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He's got fucking bills piling in, and he's bringing people and shuffling them through the office, and he's worried about his... You have insurance in case you fuck up, malpractice insurance, and you have to pay your medical school bills, and those guys are barely getting... They're floating. They're trying to just run people through their office as fast as they can.

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And they take them through hypnotic progression. These people should hear the recordings of Betty and Barney Hill. They're like yelling and screaming. They're freaking out like crazy. No one thought about being abducted by aliens in the 1950s or whenever that was.

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But these people have this wild fucking story that's super similar to all these different stories that John Mack talks about. And maybe there's different kinds of aliens. Maybe there's aliens that are just like our scientists that just come down here and study and report on like the state of the biological entity known as the human beings and and visit and return.

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And maybe they monitor us and watch us and make sure that we don't do anything really fucking stupid. Like give us enough room to figure it out on our own, but don't intervene unless they're about to nuke themselves.

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That's best case scenario.

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I don't know, man. Some people are 100% like Billy Carson's all in. I found out about him on your show, too. Oh, really? Yeah, I'd seen a couple of clips of him, but I'd never seen a long-form interview of him until your show. That was a great episode. He's fun. He was on my friend Andrew Schultz's podcast, and Andrew was like, we're not going to check nothing. We're just going to let him go.

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No fact checks. Let's just have fun and see. But when he starts talking about like those ancient tablets, he's an expert in like the deciphering of all those ancient tablets. And he's got a lot of information on that. Those things are fascinating because it's all the same stories even back then.

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These flying ships and all these different depictions of things that came from the sky and these giants and the Anunnaki and all these different things that came from some other place that had interaction with human beings.

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It's possible, that's for sure. It's possible that whatever these things are that come here, they're from some sort of another dimension and that we just don't have the ability to interact with that. We're limited in our capacity as a biological entity to interact with these dimensions that are real. But we just can't access them. We can't get to it. We don't have the frequency.

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We don't have what it is. But in some cases, under duress, under some situations, in some, you know, just like a person can be hypnotized, just like a person can go into a trance. I think there's a way every now and then that people can kind of access these realms. And I think that's probably what some of these entities are.

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I think people are probably having real experiences with something that probably is real, but that normally you cannot interact with.

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Yeah, I have, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Pretty nuts.

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I had a remote. I did this show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. And we had remote viewers on. We tried to get them to do things. They couldn't really. It wasn't really effective. But I'm also like, OK, this is an unnatural environment. It's a television show. It's like weird pressure that, you know, skeptical people that are like looking at this. And and I don't know if they're the real.

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I think it's probably a skill that can be developed. But I don't know how consistent it is. You know, it's like I don't believe in psychics, but I do believe that sometimes you just know things and sometimes you get a premonition. And I think the connection that people have with each other is not as simple as like you call your friend up. Hey, I haven't talked to you in forever.

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I think we're connected somehow quantumly. I think we're all connected in some sort of a weird way. undiscovered way. And that's why you're thinking about someone and they call you sometimes. People say, oh, that's just a coincidence. Man, I don't know about all that. Because sometimes it's someone I haven't talked to for fucking years.

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And you'll be having a conversation with a buddy and you'll just start thinking about that guy and then all of a sudden your phone rings and it's him.

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That's not real. You know, I don't think that's real. You don't know what that was. They didn't really understand when they were saying that they didn't really understand what the brain does and what parts of the brain do. And they thought that, like, we're only using 10 percent. No, it's like different parts of the brain.

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When I hear the UFO stuff, there's a part of my brain that's like, don't get suckered into this. This shit's nonsense. There's something that it just feels like if they told me a super volcano was going to erupt, I would believe it. Super volcanoes are definitely real. There's a historical precedent. They've ruined civilizations.

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have very different functions and under different circumstances, different parts of the brain are activated. I think just we have a limited understanding of the actual function of the brain, like the whole thing and how it's making chemicals and making psychedelic compounds and hormones and epinephrine and norepinephrine and all this different –

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Well, I wouldn't dig anything. No one's looked into it, especially a drug. It's just like, give it some time, kids. Give it some time. I mean, how many times do they have to pull drugs before people? Like what is the percentage of drugs that the FDA approves and then pulls? I believe it's 25%. I have no idea. I think it's 25%. See if that's true.

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dopamine and serotonin and how it regulates your system and changes the way you interact with the world it's all weird stuff man i don't think they completely have an like they can't recreate a human brain you know yeah you know some of this have you heard of uh joe mcmonigal

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What is the reason why the appendix is going away? I think that's what it is. I think it's a change in diet over time has made it unnecessary. So it's like slowly being phased out of the human anatomy. And that's why it ruptures sometimes. But I don't think it has a real function anymore. What it used to have a function. Oh, here it goes.

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The appendix is kind of helping us in two ways, both with the gut. It helps fight off invading pathogens. That's one thing that is true. When they take out your appendix, like your immune system is not as good. But also to repopulate the gut with this beneficial bacteria after gastrointestinal issues. So what is – how did the appendix form and why is the appendix like – there's a thing that was –

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speculated about what the origin of the appendix is and why we don't use it the same way we used to why do humans have an appendix worm shaped modern researchers believe the appendix has many key fun okay Okay, here it is. Go to the top. Worm-shaped tube attached to the large intestine of the human body.

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So this is the ones that they approve, and then eventually they find out, oh, this stuff is terrible for you, and then they pull it. Yeah. I think it's 25%, which, you know, what does it say? One-third. Oh, shit. One-third. One-third. I was off.

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It's an organ that is credited with very little significance and often removed indiscriminately to avoid complications due to infection. However, modern researchers believe that the appendix has many key functions in the human body, and it protects the body's internal environment from infection. What is the original origin of the appendix, though? That was the thing that I had read.

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I think it was something about processing fiber. Vestigial, okay. Support the theory that the appendix of vestigial origin that was once used by our herbivorous ancestors. This is it. It was found that in herbivorous vertebrates, the appendix is comparatively larger and it helped in the digestion of tough herbivorous foods such as bark of a tree. So the thing is, like, we're changing, right?

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We don't eat like that anymore. So it's changing and its function changes. And it makes sense that if we don't use the mind the same way our ancestors did before language, we would probably lose this connection that animals do seem to have with each other.

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Yeah, I have heard of that.

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Yeah, I have heard about that.

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I think it makes sense. I think technology certainly distracts human beings from human interactions, and kids today are growing up more socially unbalanced and more – their progress is retarded. There's something about the use of technology.

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that is certainly it's uh limiting kids abilities to interact with each other person to person yeah and over time that's probably going to be the norm you know and if you wanted to think about the rise of spectrum disorders and lack of emotional connectivity and empathy that people have that that seem to have those especially like on the far ends of the spectrum and then and

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According to the 2017 study, which is probably worse now, about one-third of drugs approved by the FDA within a 10-year period receive alerts, warnings, or recalls in the years following their approval. That's fucking bananas. Give it some time, kids. Yeah. Also, have you seen the Steven Crowder undercover thing he did with that COVID czar in New York? No. Have you seen that?

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accentuate that with like added technology constant technology each technology is more and more invasive the population of people that have these problems it's like it's almost like we're moving towards becoming a different kind of person

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That makes sense.

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Totally makes sense.

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Narrow band of focus. Yep. Right? And if you look at most people's phone usage, what's the average person's phone usage? I bet screen time's like four hours average. Yeah. I'll bet it's more than that. Okay. But let's say it's just four.

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That's a giant chunk of your day.

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So if 25% of the day, you're just looking like this, that's got to have an ultimate effect on your vision.

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Especially over time. And especially if this becomes like completely normal for a thousand years.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Just makes sense. That would happen. But we're an adaptive organism. We adapt, you know, weirdly.

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Yeah, I think so, too. I think it's a giant crime. That stuff's illegal. It's limited. And it's limited into, like, you know, right now they're doing some research on it. And, you know, the FDA was going to approve MDMA therapy for benefits for veterans, rather, dealing with PTSD. And they stopped it. And they decided more tests need to be done.

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Meanwhile, you're seeing, like, real results from people, life-changing results. And there's a lot of people out there that need help. And they should be doing something. And it's not hurting anybody.

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Jamie, go to his page and find the most recent one. Because the most recent one is fascinating. Because the most recent one, this guy is openly talking about how monkeypox is not really a threat, but they're trying to present it as a threat so they can sell this medication. Yeah. Interesting. They're talking about pushing this. This guy's openly talking about monkey boxes. Really? Just gay guys.

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That's wild.

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One Ibogaine treatment.

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There is. But imagine if there was a drug that the pharmaceutical drug companies could sell that could do that.

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There would be treatment centers everywhere.

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Are you suffering from PTSD? We can cure you.

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Here at Ibogenesis. And then you go into that place and you get hooked up. It'll be just like fucking these GLP-1s that they're trying to give people to lose weight. It'd be everywhere.

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Everybody would... Everyone has stress. Everyone has trauma. Come on in.

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And they'd just be selling it.

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What was good about it? Tell me what it was like. Well, for me... I've heard it's very effective for people with addiction.

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You saw that one?

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Holy shit.

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Get it from unprotected. Let's let it video.

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In the mirror?

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Yeah. Is it on his Instagram? Go to it. I'll show you which one it is. Yeah, that's it. Is it? No, no, no, no, no. That's not it. That's not it. Because that's the one where he's talking about how he shut the city down. There's a recent one. No. I know. Maybe it's somewhere else. Let me scroll down a little bit. See if you can find the one. See that one right there that's kind of yellow.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Like an old VHS tape.

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Still.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Yeah. That's a lot of wine.

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That's yellow. There. But which one? There's got to be one where he's talking about monkey pox. Because that was the one I was watching today. That's not, because that's all about shutting the schools down. God damn it, we've got to find it. Okay, just find it and get to us. Because I know I might have watched it on X. I probably thought, I'm saying X now.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

8234.457

That's the thing they say about Ibogaine, that it uniquely rewires your brain. Yeah. And there's some sort of a scientific understanding of how it works. But the fact that it's illegal in this country is bananas.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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I mean, how many people are suffering through opioid addiction? It's an enormous number. And if there was a thing that we are aware of that could help all of our citizens that are struggling right now, listening to this as people are struggling, and there's a thing, and it's illegal in this country. Yep. As far as I know, I don't think people are dying from Ibogaine.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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You know, Ibogaine was, it was very funny that Hunter chose this, but Hunter S. Thompson used that during, was it the McGovern, the McGovern elections? It was like 72, whatever it was. And when he wrote Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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So he created a rumor that Ed Muskie, who was one of the candidates, had a severe Ibogaine addiction and that Brazilian scientists were coming to visit him and give him this treatment. And it became such a rumor and it spread so far that it started affecting him. And he was giving campaign speeches and he was denying it. He was all sweating and he looked like a maniac.

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And Hunter essentially derailed this guy's campaign. by saying that he was addicted to Ibogaine, of all things.

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See if you can find Hunter on the Dick Cavett Show where he admits that he started the rumor. It's very funny. Wow. I fucking loved that dude. God, I wish I met him. Yeah, me too. He was a fucking maniac. That would have been wild. But the fact that he used Ibogaine was really funny and ironic because that's the thing that gets you to quit addictions.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Oh, shit. That guy, he fucked everybody up because he would do actual journalism mixed in with fiction. And he called it gonzo journalism. He essentially started a new kind of journalism. There was an understanding that some of this was not real. And you had to kind of figure out what was real and what wasn't real. And he was just going to do it his way.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Oh, my God, yeah. But the fact that he chose Ibogaine is kind of funny.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Yeah, I don't think so either. I've heard of people that get addicted to certain psychedelics, but I think there's people that do psychedelics to learn more about themselves, and I think there's people that do it to escape. And I think they escape reality with it, and then they get used to escaping, and then they choose that as their reality, and they do it way too much.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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I think there's abuse with everything. I think you can certainly abuse at least some psychedelics. But the benefits of them far outweigh the negatives, and there's a lot of people that are hurting in this country, and they should have access to all the different things that could help them.

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And the fact that you have to go to Mexico to do that... It's ridiculous, man.

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I feel politically correct. Like when I called transgender person a girl, she. You like that? How I did that? I said she. Were you talking to him directly? Um, no. No, that's not it. That's Crowder confronting him when he's... That guy's fired now. That guy's fucked. But the monkeypox one, goddammit, I know I saved it. If you want, I can find it.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Well, maybe that's something that RFK Jr. can help if they get in the office. If they get in the office. But when you hear about the five kill teams and you hear about all this different shit that's going on, I mean— October hasn't even started yet. You've got a full month of October, and who knows what the fuck could happen leading up to the elections.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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I don't think so, whoever they are. And not only that, but forget about the organization. Forget that there are people out there, probably like Iran and maybe state actors or who knows, that's trying to kill Trump.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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What about the fucking general kooks that have been buying all this rhetoric every day that he's a threat to democracy and they think that this is the one thing that can give them meaning in their life, the one great act that they can accomplish to go out and kill Trump?

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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It's probably both things. You know? It's probably both things. It's probably all of the above. And the fact that 24% of Americans think, or polled, obviously polled, because those are the dumbest motherfuckers of all time anyway, people that answer polls. And you always have to think of that, you know? Like 99% of people don't answer polls. So out of that 1%, 24% of those retards...

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are dumb enough to think that it's a good idea to shoot Trump and that the American people shouldn't be able to decide on their own. That's what's really crazy. They think they're right and you're wrong, and no matter what, they have to stop you from getting your vote. They have to stop you from voting in the direction that you are thinking you are going to vote for. It's just a scary time.

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Scary time for the republic. It really is. Yes, it is. Like, weirdly scary. And also, like, weirdly chaotic in the sense that this is all happening at the same time as the rise of podcasts and social media. and new ways to get information. So more people are aware of how fuck we are now than like during the Vietnam war. Yeah.

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Like people were against the Vietnam war and you know, they're against fighting the troops in Vietnam war, but they didn't really know what was going on. They didn't have like full access to it like we have now.

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Yeah.

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I saved it on my phone because I was like, this is just so bonkers. That these people are having conversations in public and openly admitting that they're trying to push people into taking drugs that don't even work. Really? Interesting. Um... This is going to be a problem. I'm not going to find it. Just see if you can find it. It's got to be out there because I watched it this morning.

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Yeah. I mean, that seems like it's definitely being pushed in that direction.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. I don't know what the solution to any of this stuff is. I hope it's a greater understanding that we develop over time where we figure out how to communicate better and work together. And I think some of that can be facilitated through AI if it's done correctly, if it's like a real open source AI approach. where people can get a real better understanding of the actual mechanisms.

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Instead of whatever beliefs you have and why the system works the way it is, if you could just have it laid out, factually laid out, where there can be no shenanigans. You can't deny it.

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It's the fate of the country. You think I like them. Yeah.

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We definitely need more people that are willing to do that, too, because some people just don't have the time or the interest to form their own opinions on things. Yeah. It's so much easier to just agree with whatever their side believes. Yeah. How did you get started in doing a podcast? What was the motivation behind it?

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Did you Google monkey box? Nothing?

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They tell me that there's UFOs, and part of me is just like, I don't fucking believe you. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know.

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Oh, wait. Hold on. Back up. Back up. That was right there. Right above that. Dr. J. Varna. Okay.

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Oh, so is it because the New York Post doesn't show it? That's okay. We can just read what it says because it's kind of interesting. We don't have to hear him say it. But Stephen Crowder has kind of decided to do this James O'Keefe type deal. And I don't know how they do that. It's pretty wizardry. Yeah. Generally, I think you get a gay guy who likes to talk. Yeah.

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Well, you're doing a great show, and I think that's all it takes. Thank you. You do a great show, and then the beautiful thing about social media and YouTube and all these different things is that people could just share it. I've had a few people. I think Billy Carson, I think somebody sent me that one.

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And it's just like someone would say, hey, you should check this out, and just send you a text message. That's such a massive advantage. of YouTube and Spotify and a lot of these apps is that someone could just send you a show. Like, you would really love this show. Check it out. And then you just click it. And all of a sudden, it's playing. And I play it in my car. I could play it in the sauna.

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And I'm listening to this. And it's a complete new thing that's available anytime you want. You can pause it. I know it's you. One of the things I like about your show is I can 100% tell this is just you talking to these guys like, what did you do? Okay, explain that to me. It's just you. In this world of talking heads, that has become a very refreshing alternative to a lot of people.

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And if you do a good show like yours, it just grows. It's just people will find it. You know, people share it, and it just organically grows.

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Hey, my pleasure.

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I started just on a laptop once.

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answering questions like with a friend of mine my friend brian who i started with we were just around we thought it'd be fun to just do for fun you know i always wanted to do a radio show but i thought no one's ever gonna give me a radio show you know when i was um when i was touring doing clubs back in the day where you would have to do morning radio i would like to do it i would like because i have these crazy things that i'm interested in crazy stories so i'd come in do these morning radio shows

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And I'd be like, wow, what a great job that would be, morning radio game. Yeah, I'd fuck up and swear that wouldn't work. And then the rise of podcasts happened, and Adam Carolla had one, and there's a bunch of other ones. And then Opie and Anthony, Anthony Cumia from Opie and Anthony started doing his own show called Live from the Compound.

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Where he's doing karaoke, holding a machine gun, and he's out of his fucking mind. He built a television studio in his basement. And I was like, fuck, he can do that and do that online. I need to start doing something. So we started out just doing this little... Oh, and also the Tom Green show. Tom Green had his own internet talk show. And I was a guest on it long before my podcast.

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And some handsome dude who can sit down with this guy and get him a little tipsy. That seems to be happening. Gay guys like to spill the beans. He previously served as senior health advisor to then-Mayor Bill de Blasio. Was tasked with running Big Apple's pandemic response. Okay, so he was talking about the approval process while discussing SIGA Technologies' Technovirabant or T-pox drug.

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I was like, you just got to figure out how to make money out of this. You could see the seeds of my podcast being planted while I was on his show. I was like, this is amazing. No executives, no one talking to you. And then I actually even was in talks with the company that was doing it with him to do my own thing with them. But I just decided to do it on my own.

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I'm like, I don't want to do nothing with nobody. I wanted it to just be 100% me talking. just fucking around. And in the beginning, all my friends were like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, why are you wasting your time? They'd come over my house and my kids were really young at the time.

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So like in the early days, like you would hear, we were in one of my spare bedrooms with a desk set up and you'd hear, mommy, she took my thing.

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The kids are arguing with each other. So it was, you know, from that move into like a little studio, rented a little office space somewhere and and then moved into a warehouse and got a real studio and then started having security there and then started. Well, I should have a fucking gym here. Let's put a gym in and started, you know, bringing guys to train with. And and then it just got big.

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All organic. I never did ads for it. I never did put a billboard up. I never went on other people's podcasts and said, please watch my podcast. Never did any of that. Never promoted it. It just grew. That's awesome. But it's all the same reason why yours is growing. It's just I talk to whoever I want to talk to. Yeah. I watched your show a bunch of times, reached out to you on Instagram.

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What's up?

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But the way you do it and the way I do it is I think that's why it's interesting, because I can tell like when you're talking to that guy that was talking about the direct energy weapons in Antarctica, all that crazy shit like you wanted to hear what the guy had to say.

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Like, you know, this is why he was on there. You know, this isn't like some producer has told you the list of guests that you're going to have for the week. Yeah. and you're not really interested in it, and you've got to interview some fucking kid in a boy band.

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Yeah.

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We're going to do this for a long time. What year did you start?

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Yeah. Well, that's also a great example because a lot of people want to say that the podcast market is too saturated now. I've heard people say that, oh, it's too hard to make it in the podcast market. I'm like, I don't believe that. Yeah. I don't believe that. I think if you've got a good show, it's going to rise. Same here. And that's you.

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Yeah, you really did. And that's the great thing about this. And we need more voices like yours out there, more different people that are doing the same kind of thing, following their own interests, talking to people honestly, having these long-term, long-form podcasts. Like the one with the guy studying the UFOs, I think that's like four and a half hours long, right?

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What's his name? John Alexander?

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Yeah, John Alexander. This one is... How long is this one? Let me check. What does it say? Resume.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's six hours and a couple of minutes of you talking to this guy about paranormal programs in the government.

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No. It was amazing. It's crazy stuff, man. Thank you. Listen, Sean, it was great to meet you. I really appreciate you. I appreciate what you're doing. I appreciate how you do it. It's good to become friends.

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My pleasure. It's good to be here. All right. Bye, everybody. Oh, watch the show. Sean Ryan Show. It's on everything, right? Yep. All right. Cheers. All right. Bye, everybody.

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So this is the drug for monkeypox. Okay. So that's why spinning it in the media is helpful. We want the FDA to approve our drug specifically for monkeypox, and right now it's only considered experimental, and they won't approve it, he said.

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And the USTPOX is not approved by the FDA for treatment of MPOX, but could be used to treat patients as part of a clinical trial known as the study of techno-viromat... for human mpox virus, according to Cigna Technologies. The company's website added that the STOMP trial is being conducted to evaluate the efficacy of T-pox for the treatment of mpox.

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the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day what's going on my man joe is that bigfoot on your shirt says that is it is bigfoot non-vegan How do they know Bigfoot's not a vegan?

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And you've got to walk to where the animals are.

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You can certainly navigate their world a whole lot better than they can navigate yours.

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And I really noticed it. It's a long learning curve.

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that joe told me about it's heaven it's heaven well i think michael one of the things that people really enjoy about you and i've enjoyed talking to you is you have a genuine gratitude towards life you know it's it's infectious it's it's real and uh i think uh appreciation for this beautiful chaotic world that we live in is uh it's a it's a virtuous thing it's a very important thing

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That's also one of the reasons why it's so cool. Yeah. Because it worked out that way. It wasn't like it was all easily planned out and just a natural path for you to go down.

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Everyone. My parents, for sure. You're going to be a comedian? Yeah. What the fuck are you doing? You're not even funny. They didn't want me to fight when I started fighting. They're like, you're going to get hurt. They didn't want me to do comedy because I was good at fighting. Like, why don't you stick with that?

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It was just no matter what, there's always going to be people that doubt you, especially if you want to do something that's high risk, low probability of success.

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are over zealously confident it's just why not well i think there's people that are afraid to try that will try to attack you for trying yeah there's that there's crabs in a bucket you know there's that there's people that don't want someone to take a risk and succeed because they never took a risk and they they don't want to confront themselves with that thought they don't want to be confronted with the reality of what they've done with their life like maybe they did have a dream maybe they did want to be like luke bryant

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Maybe they did want to be on stage singing. Maybe they did want to do something extraordinary, and they never really took the chance. And so when they see you taking the chance, they want to fill you with doubt. They do. It's an unnecessary and unfortunate aspect of human nature. I see that, and I feel that from time to time. But it makes you appreciate the people that encourage people more.

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Yeah, they're in a lot of commercials. They're in movies. I think they used to be real. I think it used to be a real thing. I mean, they know there's a thing called the Gigantopithecus that lived somewhere around 100,000 years ago that was a bipedal hominid that was 8 to 10 feet tall. Holy cow. In the orangutan family, I think they believe it was.

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And people just get tired of being outcasts. You know, people want community. They really do. They want friends. They want it's like you were saying before that like the relationships you make in this life. That's the real trophy. It is.

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Michael, I really enjoyed talking to you, man. Thank you very much. You too. Thanks for having me, man. It was a lot of fun.

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Tell everybody what your social media is, where they can find your hunts online.

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Ishii and Saxton Pope right there.

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Look at that. You're learning from the source.

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1912. So that guy, you know, that is like he was alive in the 1800s. Absolutely. So he was doing that like that's literally from the source.

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No.

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And the food back then was so much better than the food we have now. Yeah.

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Probably a lot of grains and sugar.

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I'm sure. Yeah. He was probably eating mostly meat before that. Probably so. Yeah. Just a fish out of the creek and backstrap out of a mule deer. The way everybody did for thousands of years. Yep. It's just so interesting that if it wasn't for guys like Pope and Young and Fred Bear, I mean, how many people were evangelizing bow hunting back then?

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I mean, how many people were making it something that was, you know, because as soon as rifles came along, the way everybody looked at it was, oh, rifles are better. You can shoot something further. It's easier to do. You hunt, you hunt with rifles.

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But to make that choice, this decision that there's something more connected, more spiritual about archery and bow hunting, if it wasn't for those people that were promoting it, people like Fred Bear, who was so articulate in the way he would describe things and the way he would describe things. the benefits of just archery practice, about how archery just removes your cares.

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Like if you could just concentrate on that target and just practice archery, it cleans your mind. And I find that today. I do too.

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It's a culture. I think it's a discipline.

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So, yeah, well, it has a very deep connection to the human mind. There's something about archery that I think it's because as human beings evolved, we developed the bow and arrow. They invented it. They refined it. And that was how people hunted and got their food.

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I think there's a genetic memory of that that's inside of our heads because there's something eerily satisfying about hitting a target with an arrow. It's so much different than anything. I like practicing shooting rifles. I've hunted with rifles. I like it. I like it. It's great. Same here. It's not the same. It's not the same. It's not the same. It's like tenfold different.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

154.407

Well, once you realize, first of all, that there's real physical evidence that something happened around 11,800 years ago, that the Earth was most likely pounded with asteroid debris. And it probably fucked civilization up pretty bad, and it can happen again. Makes complete sense.

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A lot of people got hurt falling out of those things.

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What year did compound bows get invented?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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But there's no range finders, right?

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Is that it right there? Look at that. The original compound. Look at that. Up to 50% more speed and penetration. Look at that.

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Wow, that's wild. Priced so low, hunters can't afford to be without one. The way they used to market things back then is so funny. I know. I love to see those old Field & Stream and Outdoor Life magazines. Yeah. I mean, it's a window into a different time. Look at that.

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And all cables. What kind of feet per second are you getting out of that sucker? What is this?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

1920.706

Arthur Young. Bow hunting. It's a grizzly deer.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

1931.249

Holy smokes.

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I mean, when did they... All right, he hit him somewhere.

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You had to be so close with that shitty bow. No doubt.

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You know how he really got into it? No. He got into it researching the Ark of the Covenant.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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They were learning. They were learning how to do it.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

204.562

Yeah, because in Ethiopia, there's a specific church in Ethiopia that has always been rumored to be the place where the Ark of the Covenant is stored. And there's these guarders of this – these people that are guards of this area and they all develop cataracts. They all have like radiation poisoning and they're guarding this one particular area. They won't let anybody look at it.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

2094.931

Well, they probably knew they weren't going to get any over there. And they're probably making them themselves.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

2127.648

That's such a commitment to adventure. Unbelievable. Get on a boat with a bunch of bows and a tub of arrows.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Because they were married.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Six, seven months. Yeah, I'll be back next year. I want to go hunt lions with a pointy stick. Exactly. I should be back. I'm not sure what it takes to kill one. No internet. Yeah. Right. I mean, nothing. You couldn't research. How are you learning form and technique? Yeah. You just have to practice and then eventually figure out, well, I held my elbow this way.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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It seemed to be better than this way. Yeah. I'll just tweak it.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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They won't let anybody talk about it and Graham got fascinated by this. And they started doing a deep dive into history and historical accounts of the covenant and the ark and all these bizarre stories that have lasted throughout history.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Jamie, I'll send it to you. He's a fascinating dude from Spain, and he travels everywhere to bow hunt. Everywhere.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

2359.331

Oh, you'd love it. He's great, too. His hunting adventures are really interesting, but he goes all over the place. I love that. He goes to, like, Tajikistan. Holy cow. There he is. Look at that. I mean, you can tell. I mean, just... He's a super, super, super dedicated bow hunter and travels to Greenland. He was in Greenland with Remy. They were hunting together and just his stuff.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Pedro's videos are really, really well done and he's such a likable guy that it's a good introduction to people that don't even understand why anybody would be interested in bow hunting because you realize like this guy is – He's as much fascinated by the adventure of it all than as he is even the hunting aspect of it.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Like he really enjoys being in these very different cultures and very different parts of the world. Like he hunted elk in Mongolia. Wow. Mongolia has a large elk population. I didn't know that. Yeah. But it's really funny because everybody who goes there to hunt, hunts with a rifle. And so all the guides who speak Mongolian, they're like, what the fuck is this guy doing with his bow?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

2431.895

This is stupid. Go shoot it. What are you doing, Pedro? He's like, I can't shoot it. It's 98 yards away. We have to get closer. He's like, just shoot it. Yeah. Just shoot it. Shoot it. Kill it. Let's get out of here. We've been here for fucking three days. They're tired of it. But this dude's got a really fucking great channel and a ton of videos. I mean, he's been doing this for like-

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And the real evidence that there was really sophisticated societies that lived thousands and thousands of years ago when we kind of assumed that people were hunters and gatherers. Egypt is a great example of that. Like whatever they were doing there was fantastic.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

2452.388

Making these videos for like 10 15 years.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

2457.57

Where's the Buffalo?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

2461.391

Oh, that's a mouflon sheep. Oh Okay, go to the Mongolia elk hunt because it's so fascinating. They stayed in a yurt So they stayed in one of those felt tents like Genghis Khan used to live in and they traveled in the woods and it looks like you're in Wyoming It looks like you're in Idaho

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

2489.984

I used to think that's what it said. Yeah. But if you scroll further ahead, you can see some of the footage. Oh, this is Ibex in Mongolia. Dude, that'd be a tough hunt, too, man. Google, it's not that. Search elk in Mongolia. He's got, I mean, he's got tons and tons. There it is right there. See World Record Elks right there. Second row, that one, bam. Yeah, that's in Mongolia.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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See, that's, to me, so fascinating. Isn't that crazy? Like, look at that. That looks like you could be in Utah. Absolutely. And they just totally didn't understand why he was using a bow. Because his dad was there. His dad hunted with a rifle. And he was successful. And, you know, he's got to get close. God, and those look like just your basic Rocky Mountain species.

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I don't even know how they got there. I don't know if they were always there. I don't know if they were introduced. I really don't know. There's a Uruk, yep. Yeah, and that's what they're staying in. Really interesting.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah, I didn't either until I saw this video.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Not at all.

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fucking insane right i mean the structures that they made still today we look at them and go what the hell were you guys doing like yeah how is this made yeah and he believes that society had reached a very very sophisticated level of technological achievement and then something happened and now we're we're living in like a rebuild even though we're very sophisticated you know in terms of technology our technology's gone in a completely different direction than theirs did

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Well, that's what people don't understand. The Robin Hood was not about stealing money. It was about using the king's land to hunt animals. Correct. Because people were starving, and the king had all these animals, and you weren't allowed to hunt them. You couldn't. So Robin Hood was like, this is bullshit.

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Yeah.

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And these extra Z's in the long word.

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But Pedro goes everywhere. I can't recommend his show enough. It's so good. I watch him all the time. I'm going to check that out. Late night when I want to chill, when I'm at home, I come home from the comedy club, I'll throw on some of his videos.

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Chill out.

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What is that?

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Huh, a carnivore that chose to hunt or devour nearly whatever it wants to save for elephants. Holy cow.

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I want to believe. Encountered by Lake Victoria when asked, Bronson's own hunting party provided nearly identical descriptions of the creature. The title is referenced to the author having been given special permission to hunt the closed territory of Loida, Maasai, Kisi, and Sotik. Wow. What the hell was that?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I think hunters are the number one argument against Bigfoot being real. I've never met a hunter who's seen Bigfoot.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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It looks different in a bunch of the drawings, though.

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But remember when we were showing those ancient pictures of what a whale looked like to people? They'd never seen a whale before, and it had wings and a lion's head. That's what's fascinating on all those paintings and engravings.

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Have you ever seen the ones that are cave paintings where it's like a stegosaurus? Yeah. Like, how did you know what that looked like? Somebody... Exactly. They didn't Google it. Right. Were there a few laying around? I mean, I wonder.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I went turkey hunting once. Did you really? I went with Rinella. Did you really?

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Yeah, I think Ronella's got the slam.

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And it just blew my mind. They find so many of those, too. The jungle just overrun everything. All that civilization just overcame it. And you just, they find them with, you know what LIDAR is?

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They think it's still there, yeah.

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See if you can find that pyramid that they just unearthed in Guatemala. They just unearthed some huge pyramid in Guatemala. We were south. I think it was Guatemala.

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See if you can find where that is, Jamie. It's supposed to be in some church in Ethiopia. Oh, Jamie's already got it. I just had watched something on that because I'm intrigued by all that kind of stuff. Well, you know, when you really start digging deep into it, it's very fascinating. This one particular place has been protected for so long.

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Yeah, there's no real figuring it out. I mean, certainly you get to your level or a level of Cam Haynes or Remy Warren. You become very proficient. You understand what to do and what not. Here it is. Find lost city in Mexico jungle by accident.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah, this is what it was. It wasn't Guatemala. So archaeologists found pyramids, sports fields, causeways, and connecting districts, amphitheaters in the southern central state of Campeche. Campeche, yeah. Campeche. They uncovered the hidden complex, which they have called Valerio. Valeriana? Valeriana. Using LIDAR, a type of laser survey that maps structures buried under vegetation.

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They believed it is second in density only to Calakmul, thought to be the largest Maya site in ancient Latin America. The team discovered three sites in total in a survey the size of Scotland's capital, Edinburgh, by accident when one of the archaeologists browsed data on the internet. That's so crazy. They found it by accident.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I see their point, but I don't.

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Yeah.

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Right. I did a walk. I didn't eat a squirrel until I was 45 years old.

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Right.

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And all these people that have supposedly seen it describe something that's, you know, Trump apparently has like a model of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago. No way. Yeah, see if you can find that. Yeah, he's got a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant in Mar-a-Lago.

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What does that mean?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, sure.

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The first time I went hunting, I went with, Rinella took me and Brian Callen, and it's the same deal. Brian Callen's fucking hilarious. We were just crying, laughing in Montana, freezing our dicks off, having a good time. My experience was the opposite. Always lived in cities. Yeah. And then the first time I went hunting was with Rinella.

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I had been camping before when I was a kid, but I had no real exposure to nature. Right. And I remember just after that week doing it, I was like, I'm doing this for the rest of my life. This hits you. Oh, 100%. I remember cooking the back straps over the fire. It was me and Rinella and Callan and the crew cooking.

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And we're just like sprinkling some like seasoned salt over these back straps and cooking them over the fire. And we're eating them with our hands. And I was like, I'm doing this for the rest of my life. This is like one of the greatest moments I've ever had in my life. One of the greatest experiences. I felt so tuned into it. I was like, this is something I've been missing.

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Like this is and it's a whole new world. I explained it. I was like, it's like you're in a different dimension. The first time.

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I shot a deer, was on that show, so I'd never hunted an animal before, I'd only been fishing, and the first time I'm looking at that deer through the crosshairs of that rifle, and I'm just calming myself to squeeze a shot, and I squeeze off the shot and the deer drops like a stone, And I was like, oh my God. I'm like, this is what I'm doing forever.

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And then once I started eating it, I was like, oh, this is my new thing. I'm like, I'm obsessed. I was obsessed. Obsessed. And then obsessed with all I had been missing. Just the experience of being in the woods is so different than anything else. The way people think of hunting, unfortunately, we've been poisoned by movies where the hunters are the bad guys. They're always douchebags.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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They're always like poaching animals and harassing people. Hunters in movies, it's a trope that they've always been like cruel, evil people. Like there's Bambi.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Oh, yeah. They ruin people. They ruin this idea. People who buy burgers from McDonald's will look down on someone who hunts an animal in the woods. Correct. Our brains have been distorted. Our perceptions have been distorted by media. And I realized that being in the woods hunting. I was like, first of all, this is very difficult to do.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Mule deer hunting in Montana in October, freezing cold in the Missouri breaks, freezing. fascinating just the whole the environment is so unforgiving and doesn't give a fuck about you the quiet and the isolation out there and a weird kind of loneliness like a not loneliness but a realization of where your place really is in the natural world you're you're not special No.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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There's nothing significant about you. Crying assault. Yeah, you're just one of many living things trying to get along out here, trying to get by. And you have an advantage, obviously, because you have a rifle and you have binoculars and all that other good stuff. But the reality of it is it's very, very difficult to achieve success, especially if you don't know what you're doing.

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I was very lucky to have a guy like Ranella show me around.

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Once you do it once, you're like, oh, God, like this is incredible. And then to eat that animal, completely different experience than any other meal I've ever had in my life. Yeah.

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Right.

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Theo is a unique dude.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Like in the Vatican or something? In the Vatican. Yeah. They've got a lot of shit in the Vatican.

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Have you ever been there?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Bro, he lives in another dimension. Theo lives in a neighboring dimension, and he just comes and visits us. Oh, God. Theo and I went to the UFC two weekends ago. Last weekend? Two weekends ago? We were in Vegas, and then after the fights, we went to dinner. And I swear to God, the dinner, it was an hour and a half of me and Theo crying, laughing. I mean, tears. I'm wiping my eyes. I can't breathe.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I go, dude, this should have been a podcast. We should have filmed this. Oh, God. I can only imagine. We were crying. We were just crying. He was saying the most ridiculous shit, and I was laughing so hard. It was so much fun. He's so fun.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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He's so unique. He's a one of a kind. He's a one of a kind. Such a big heart, too, man. Oh, he's a sweetheart. Such a nice guy. He's such a kind person. And just a very unique talent.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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It's back in the Roman days. Look at this. This is Trump's replica of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago. That's just like... Pretty fucking wild.

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Well, I mean, I think that's a recreation based on biblical accounts. Absolutely. Very strange. Well, maybe Trump can take us and show it to us, man. That'd be cool.

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That's the beauty of travel, right? Like, the more environments you could go into, the more completely different cultures you could explore. You get just a wider sense of humans. And you realize like we have more in common than we do opposed to each other. We have much more that we share than we don't. Correct. And what really is just like what environment did you grow up in?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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You grew up in the country. I grew up in the city. Yeah. But once you find common ground and once you experienced it, like experiencing nature for the first time for people that are in the city, It's so overwhelming for them.

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It's so interesting to watch them just walk around the woods and just be confused and not knowing how to navigate, not knowing where they are, and being exhausted, not knowing how much energy it takes going up hills. Or how are we going to get back? Yeah. Where are we at? We're eight miles deep. Yeah. Yeah, we've got to walk eight miles back. When is that going to get us back?

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Yeah.

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Eating Klondike bars.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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It's not an easy thing to do. No. And that's also the problem with hunting shows. Yeah. If it's a hunting show, if it's a half an hour show, it's 22 minutes of actual footage. And so you're boiling down a 10-day hunt to 22 minutes. And the reality is that gives a distorted perception to the people at home like, oh, it's easy. They just go there. They put the animal in their crosshair.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

4407.035

That's not fair. You hear that all the time. That's not fair. Survival's not fair. You think it's fair that the lion gets to kill the gazelle? It's not fair. No. Of course it's not fair. There's nothing fair in nature. Why are elephants big? Why are mice small? There's nothing fair. No. Fair doesn't factor in. This is what you're trying to do. You're trying to survive.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Obviously, you can go to the store. But out here, there's no fucking stores. So out here, if you want to survive, if we lived here forever, this is the only environment you're ever going to be here until your heart stops beating.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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This is the only one way. You've got to figure out the wind. You've got to figure out where they are. You've got to pattern them. You've got to figure out how to sneak up on them. You've got to figure out how to execute a shot without getting buck fever. You've got to do all these things. This is the only way. It's so deep. You're right. And it is difficult. You just can't boil it down to 10.

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Pedro does a really good job of showing how difficult it is on these crazy adventure hunts that he does. But even still, it's an hour or an hour and a half. The reality is it's 10 fucking days, man. 10 days. That's right. 10 to 12 miles a day, sweating your ass off, coming back exhausted, your feet hurt, your back's killing you, and you sleep so hard. You sleep like a dead man.

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And then that alarm clock goes off at 4.30 in the morning. Yeah.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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That's amazing, and it's still that after all these years. I still get excited. That's the same with Cam. I mean, he's been hunting his whole life. He still loves it more than anything. I plan on it so hardcore that, like, when Netflix gave me a comedy special, I had to make sure that it was the beginning of August. I was like, I need time to get ready.

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Because, like, I have a whole training routine and a shooting routine, and, you know, I want to make sure I'm shooting 100 hours a day, seven days a week. I want to make sure my... My accuracy is fully dialed in. I have 100% confidence. My cardio is on point. I got to be ready. So I was like, it can't be any later than like August 5th. I'm like, I need like four hard weeks.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I mean, I'm training for it all year round, but four hard weeks, almost like you're getting ready for a fight.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah, trail cameras throw a big monkey wrench at that Bigfoot thing.

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That whole month's gone.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I've had big guests, like important guests that wanted to come in like September 10th. I'm like, that's not going to work. Can't do it. It's not going to happen. Well, it's the only time he's in America. It's not going to work. Sorry. Let me know if you come back. Yeah. Let me know if you come back. I'm not missing that. It's just, it's my favorite time of the year.

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Well, the reality of it is if you haven't experienced hunting, you don't understand why people are so drawn to it and why it's – the experience is so much more powerful than anything else you have in life other than the birth of your children, being in love. There's a bunch of experiences that are wonderful in the regular modern civilized life. But when you get that bug –

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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You get that bug, you know, you get that bug. When you hear the swat of that fucking arrow hitting the vitals and you see the spot right in the golden triangle, you see the blood dripping down and you see him stumbling forward, you're like, we got him. We got them. And every sense in your body is on 10. Your fucking goosebumps have goosebumps. Everything.

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It's just there's nothing like it in the world.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I don't know. So it's a replica that travels around?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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But it is unbelievable. It's so hard to do. It's so hard to do. Especially like archery elk hunting or archery mule deer hunting, probably even more difficult. I agree. It is so hard to do. To get someone addicted to that. Boy, you've got to get a special kind of person that's willing to, like, the learning curve is so long. And the physicality of that high desert mule deer. Oh, yes. It's brutal.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And also, those motherfuckers are smart. Oh, yeah. You think they're not? They've been ducking mountain lions for five, six years, and they know any little snap of a branch, any little, like, moving of a rock that sounds like it might have been a predator's paw. Oh, yeah. They're on a swivel. They're up, and they're bouncing. Boing, boing, boing. See ya.

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505.068

Bro, if I had Trump money, I'd have one built. Oh, why not? Come on. I would, too. I would, too. It's a cool thing to have on display. I mean, I wonder what it was. I mean, if these guys really are guarding it in Ethiopia, what is the radiation from? Why are they all developing cataracts and radiation sickness? Yeah.

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100%.

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Well, California is a great example. A lot of their game and fish. I don't even think they call it game and fish. I think they call it fish and wildlife. Correct. Yeah, because they don't want the concept of game to be introduced, meaning hunted. Their thought is they want to get it to the point where the predators and the prey balance each other out where there's no need for hunting.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

5140.881

And they would like to reintroduce wolves to help. I think that's it. They do. Yeah. It's animal activists that have taken these positions that should be held by wildlife biologists who have an objective understanding of the populations and how to keep them healthy. And the way they're doing it in California is you've got mountain lions everywhere.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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In this one ranch that I hunt, they had a waterhole, they had a pond, and they had a trail cam. They found 18 different cats that visited this trail cam. 18 different mountain lions.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

527.663

It's so fun. It is fun. All that ancient civilization stuff is so fun because it is really kind of a mystery, you know, and it's fascinating when, and I'm sure you've been hunting before and you found arrowheads.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

5294.75

I don't think it should be voted in at all.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Ballot by. Biology to me is ridiculous. It don't make sense. You should have to have an understanding about what you're voting on from a perspective of the people that are actually in the field. Correct. And the reality of mountain lions is like you're not going to get an accurate assessment from someone who visits it once a month.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I'll tell you this. They're there and they know you're coming. They smell you miles away. They're not going to be anywhere near you. And if you do see them, it's rare.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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You don't see them.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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When you find one of those, you're picking up this piece of history. You've got to imagine some Native American was napping this flint on his knee, sitting there who knows how many thousands of years ago. Exactly. They find 3,000, 4,000-year-old arrowheads, and you've just got to go, God, what was life like then, man?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Well, not only that, but they took wolves that were already depredating livestock.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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That's the ones that they captured, and they moved them to Colorado where they're going to continue to do the same thing. I just had read something the other day.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

5568.598

Yeah. We were talking about this yesterday that San Francisco, when they kill mountain lions in the Bay Area, 50 percent of their diet is pets.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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They just don't know what they're talking about and they don't have any experience in it. And again, like we talked about, the idea, the mass media idea of a hunter is very negative. It's very negative. Very negative.

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podcast but then all you got to do is tell them hey man i just plowed up a field and it rained and we just found two nice flint heads he'd probably be here tomorrow i mean he loves it he's eat up with it there's a dude i know who has a ranch out here and he finds them all the time it's comanche territory where his ranch is in the hill country yeah and he every day go to that guy's page uh whitworth jw whitworth jm whitworth jw whitworth i think it's jw

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Well, I think one of the beautiful things about social media for hunting and podcasts for hunting is that people have an opportunity to hear a completely different perspective about what it is that wasn't available before that. I got into hunting because I started watching Spirit of the Wild. Yeah. Ted Nugent. I love Ted. That's when I got fascinated with it.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And then I watched Ronella's original show, which, oh, God, I can't remember the name of it. He had a show. It wasn't Meat Eater, though. No, no, no. Before Meat Eater. Yeah. God, I forget the name of it. But his show, it didn't last very long, but I thought it was really interesting. And I knew Helen Cho because Helen Cho, who worked with Ronella on that show, she also worked with Bourdain.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And so I was friends with Bourdain, and so I got introduced to them through that, and Helen got Steve on the show. He didn't even know what a podcast was. He was like, what are we doing here? We were filming out of the Ice House in Pasadena at that time. The Ice House is a comedy club in Pasadena, and that's where we had our studio. And so there's Ronella sitting there.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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He's like, oh, kind of a little dismissive of this. Like, what is this nonsense? Yeah. And then now he's got one of the biggest podcasts in the space.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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But he's got incredible arrowheads. He's, like, just obsessed with finding them on this ranch. And this ranch apparently was just overrun by the Comanche. It's very fertile and rich and, you know, soil is great and a lot of, you know, water habitat, a lot of deer. And so they must have just camped there and lived there for a long time.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Because you had never been around people who were anti-hunting.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I did not know it existed. How old were you when you first encountered people that were anti-hunting?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Wow.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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How hard was it to wrap your head around that? It blew me away. And people that eat meat, too, by the way. Yeah.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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It would be fun. It would be fun, but it's just very unlikely. I mean, there's only like two Jaguars in the United States, and they know exactly where they are.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And obviously, it wasn't angle compensating.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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We should explain to people, like, angle compensation is like an arrow is quicker going downhill. So if you're shooting uphill or downhill, the angle, you have to gauge how fast the arrow's going to go, the feet per second, based on the angle. So if it might look like it's 50 yards, as the crow flies, your rangefinder might say 42. Correct.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And you've got to put your sight at 42 yards, otherwise it'll shoot right over its back. Exactly.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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It's great in theory and great when it works. So when it works. Yeah, I've had a problem with it a couple of times and I gave up on them. And I'm hoping they're going to get better. And then they outlawed them in Utah. I tried to bring it to Utah a couple years ago, and they had passed a law, maybe last year. And the best thing about it, though, it's like a red dot. You get that dot.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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You have a clear sight picture. No posts. You can see just that dot. Just that dot on the vitals. It's amazing. And the fact that you could go to full draw. and just press a button to range, and then say maybe the animal moves 15 yards to the left, you just press it again, and you get a range, and you have a perfect shot. But some people think that that's cheating. But it's just taking a step out.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Instead of picking your range finder off your bino pouch and checking it, and then changing your sight, and then drawing back, with this, you're doing it right from draw. So from full draw, you can just keep getting ranges. And then you can also hit it once... And then a second time, and you'll get pins. So you get 20 to 80. Nice. Yeah.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Oh, he's private now? That's probably because we blew him up. I think that's when he went private because he didn't used to be private, but that's some of the things that he finds. See, that's amazingly beautiful stuff. He sent me a couple of them.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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So even if you – So then all your pins will come up based on that. But if you just want an accurate range, you get that one button press, and it will give you exact range. And it's based on – everything is compensated into the site itself. So angle compensation is built into the sight itself. You put in the speed of your arrow.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Exactly. It's all factored into your bow. It's pretty incredible.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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See, that is absolutely gorgeous. Yeah, Remy said that that was probably used for fishing.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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You know what I describe it as? The difference between practicing free throws and basketball. 100%. That's it.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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That's a great way to make it. Yeah, that's really what it is. I think practicing, sure. But I think there's moments where you've got to make that sucker go off. Oh, man, yeah. There's great hunters like Levi Morgan who hunts with a hinge.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Maybe of all time.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Because it's so large, you said it's probably used to shoot fish.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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No doubt. It really is. You're standing weird. One leg is down, one leg is up. You're on the side of a hill. You've got to cant your bow a little bit. You lean your bubble into the wind. There's a lot of shit going on.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And especially with hunting, there's one moment where you pull that trigger. There's one moment. You have this one moment. So you've been practicing, you've been preparing, you're packing your gear, getting ready, all for this millisecond in time where you... You release that arrow and you watch right in there. And it's very difficult to master. I don't think you ever master.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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You become proficient at it. You become good at it. But even the best hunters make bad shots sometimes. Absolutely. Animal moves. The wind takes the arrow in a weird direction. It hits a branch going in. You see it all the time. It's not an easy thing to do. So, of course, you're going to have those nerves. But that's part of the reward.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah, and you can't think about that before you pull the trigger. No. You can never think, I hope I don't make a bad shot because you'll make a bad shot. You can't.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Thank you.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I can do this. Just jump over a little ramp.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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That's a weird psychology. I don't think that's the best way to approach it. Me either. Even though they're really good at it.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Sometimes people talk like that, but I think they're fishing for compliments. For their own self-drive. Yeah, I think, man, I hope this works well. And their friends are like, come on, man, you're fucking hilarious. You're going to kill it. They might be like fishing for compliments. Yeah. Kind of like you're tired and it's third down and it's like, dude, come on, man.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah, you need a little of that sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. I think these experiences that we have that when we relate it to people, it's... It's one of the only places, like in podcasts, the only places where you can hear it this way. And I think that's what we're battling against. We're battling against the media representations of hunting, which is almost entirely negative.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And these perceptions that people have that hunters are cruel. And then there's this term trophy. Yeah. That is the mule deer that I killed with Ronaldo. That was the first mule deer I ever killed. I love that. And, you know, you could say that this is not a trophy mule deer. It's not a very big mule deer. As far as mule deers go, this is a mature buck, but he's not a big one.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And this is a trophy. It is a trophy. If you went to a trophy unit and you shot a deer like this, people are like, what are you doing? Why did you shoot this? Why didn't you hold out for a big, mature one? But the term trophy gets thrown around and, unfortunately, has a negative connotation. It does. But I think Ted puts it the best way, Ted Nugent. Yep. He says it's all the things. It's food.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I agree with that. You're taking a life. You're feeding yourself with that life. It's more – It's more powerful than sport. And that's why I think when you call it this sport of hunting, I'm like, I don't like that term.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah, they probably had to do a lot of them. A lot of them probably broke off wrong.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I mean, it's probably not a very good success rate, especially when you're working with Flint. Yeah. Chipping away at it. But when they get good at it, it's such an art. Yeah. Like, when you pick one up, like a real Flint Arrowhead guy. There's a lot of guys that make them now, though, unfortunately. So there's a lot of forgeries. Correct. Yeah.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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A lot of nerds, a lot of archery nerds, they get real good at it and then just leave them scattered around places or pretend they found it. Exactly. You know, you could do that.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Well, for people who don't understand why that's so interesting to us, it's because they're the most difficult ones to get because they're the older, wiser ones. And also, when you look at it from a conservation standpoint, those are the ones that you want to hunt because those are the ones who spread their genes, and they're probably about to get taken out by nature anyway. Correct.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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If you get an 8-year-old elk or a 9-year-old elk or a 10-year-old elk, how many years do they have left? I shot one 10-year-old elk once. His teeth were worn down to almost nothing. Just an old tank. How much time did he have left? Not much. Most likely he was going to either starve to death or freeze to death or get stabbed in a fight with another elk.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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He'd get stabbed and wind up- Mountain lion jump on him. Mountain lion jump on him or freeze to death or a number of other very, very cruel endings. I shot that elk at 40 yards. It was a perfect shot. He was down at 15 seconds. It was no tracking. So it's like that elk died the best way possible. Yes, he did. He's not- They don't live forever and become angels.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah, you totally could do that. But that that's a legit one that was actually pulled out of the ground.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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There's so many videos of that. Especially bears.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Isn't it crazy? Hunting bears is the thing you get the most hate for. Oh, everybody thinks they're cuddly. I mean, I don't know if it's a Winnie the Pooh type of thing. A hundred percent. But it's like... Teddy bears and Yogi and all that shit. We're all distorted. Like when people say, you've hunted bears? I go, I've eaten bears. I've eaten three bears. They're delicious. Yeah. Like what?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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You eat bears? I'm like, I'll make you some bear sausage and I'll tell you what, you will fucking love it. Especially if I don't tell you what it is. You'll go, what is this? This is great. It seems like beef, but different.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Dolphins. Dolphins. Are they brutal like that? Dolphins. We think of them as sweet, intelligent. They commit infanticide all the time. What dolphin females have to do is they have to breed with as many males as possible because when a female dolphin has babies, she has to take care of that baby for about six years.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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So when the male dolphins recognize a female with babies and they don't know that female, those are not his babies, he'll kill those babies. So that female dolphin will breed. So he wants to breed her. So she will breed with everybody possible so nobody knows who the babies are.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And so since they're intelligent, they understand that they've bred with that female before, so that could be their babies, so they don't kill them.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah, that's how they have to be. Otherwise their babies get killed. So they've adopted this polyamorous strategy to try to keep the male dolphins from killing the babies.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Oh, I've seen some amazing, epic elk fights. It's some of the greatest things to see in nature, these big, 800 pound animals running at each other with swords growing out of their heads. It's like a clash.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah, they lived for thousands of years with no metal.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Like a sword fight almost. It's like cracking baseball bats together against each other. And you hear it loud. You're like, oh shit, they're fighting. It gives you cold chills. Oh, it's amazing. It's crazy to watch the brutality of it. And, you know, you'll find them occasionally dead. Yeah. Because one of them has stabbed one. We found one. I think I have video of it on my phone.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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We were hunting him. He had a six-inch tine sticking out of his neck. Holy cow. It was broken off, sticking out of his neck, and he's still running his cows and bugling. I'm sure I have it.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah. It's a great time to be educated about this. And it's a great time. And there's a lot of people that have gotten really interested in hunting from those kind of conversations with Ronella and with Cam. No doubt. How did you eventually get started doing it? Because like that's every young guy's dream that has ever hunted. Like, oh, my God. Imagine like making a living doing that.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Like that's what I would love to do. Oh, man. How did you pull that off?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Right.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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That had to be so surreal to be able to make a living doing this thing that you love when no one even thought it was a job when you were a kid. Yeah. It was not a thing you aspired to.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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You just had never experienced anti-hunting.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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that's kind of we kind of come up with the tagline this is a different kind of hunting show well you were the first guy to bring fun and personality to hunting television oh yeah we tried so hard you know it looked like you were having a good time with your friends it wasn't this stuffy presentation right of like hunting like here he goes in the wild of montana he won't go far where grizzly bears abound

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah, yeah.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Hunting for the elusive mule deer.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Remi was telling me about this one site where they had a buffalo drop and the pile of buffalo was so large and there was so much decay that it actually created a fire. Holy cow. It like started on fire because they're all just rotting and fermenting and there's some sort of combustion. Just hot, nasty.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Exactly. You were having a good time. You were laughing and cutting up. And I think that's what made you famous in that world. It's like you were representative of what people really liked. It's just someone having a good time and enjoying themselves, which is really what a lot of the hunting is. It's a lot of bonding and camaraderie. Yeah. The camp time is almost as fun as the hunting time.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And you're all just sort of winding down at the end of the day, having a good time together, relaxing, telling stories and laughing.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Well, it's interesting because... Fun and personality and camaraderie are infectious. It's like people, they're drawn to it. But it's not something you can manufacture. You either have a great personality or you don't. But having a great personality is very marketable. So it's kind of a weird sort of catch. Like you can't pretend you're that person because people won't buy it.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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You have to actually. The reason why it worked with you is because this is who you really are. That's you. Right. And so you didn't even know you had this thing that was marketable. No. It was just you being a person.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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That's a 70. Yeah.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I don't know. It's just like, it's. Yeah. Well, when, when people ask me all the time, like, Oh, you met jelly roll. What's he like? He's exactly like you. That's right. That's why he's popular. That's a genuine, real human being. Like Luke Bryan. Exactly. Just like you like. Funny, goofy, good, cool cat. Luke Combs, same thing. That's exactly who he is.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And that's what people are worried about, that someone not being like that. Like you see someone who's real fun on TV and they're real friendly and then you meet them in real life like, oh, that guy's an asshole. He's mean to waitresses and-

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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you know he's shitty to the fucking the valet driver you know it's you you want people to be what you hope them to be but oftentimes you're prepared for them to not be that yeah you represent that too joe it's like you know i remember going to utah and hunting i was like hey man you know this before i ever knew i'd get a chance to meet you and talk with you and i said how's joe

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I think the best thing for people in Hollywood that are entrenched in that world is to shut the fuck up. Because as soon as they start talking, as soon as Robert De Niro starts talking, I'm like, Jesus, get that fucking microphone away from him so I can enjoy Taxi Driver. Yeah, it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking. Yeah, I don't want to hear. I love De Niro. I love those mob movies.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I don't want to hear that he's a moron. I don't want to hear him talking about politics and about Trump supporters and just shut the fuck up, man. You didn't think this through. And he's getting yelled at. He's doing an outside press conference like, Robert, you're 80 years old. Don't ruin this thing. You've had this life where you were a fucking raging bull. You were in The Godfather. Stop. Stop.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Stop doing this. Don't do this. I'm terrified to meet some of those people I looked up to now. You should be. I've met a few of them. It's actors in particular because their whole business is pretend. Their whole business is pretend. Yeah. One of the things about guys like Theo or comedians, you run into comedians, their business is the opposite of pretend. It's real.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Their business is just being a real person talking shit. Yeah. They're professional shit talkers. Yeah. Having fun, being silly, talking shit about things. Yeah. Actors are not that. They're weird people, man. And the one thing that's harming them in Hollywood is that they get exposed for being who they really are.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And a lot of these people that pretend to be all clean cut and you find out they're into freaky shit. It's like...

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Leonard Skinner. Can you imagine? Led Zeppelin. All those people. The parties. Hendrix. Oh, yeah. Jim Morrison. Crazy. Oh, God. Craziness and no accountability. Nothing.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Everybody's got a fucking camera in their pocket. Everybody. Everything is being filmed and so many people get exposed for who they really are. It's weird. But it's also probably good for humanity. It's good for – one of the things that I think is the rise of podcasts is people get to see real people having real conversations. Yeah. Some people can do it and some people can't.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And I think the Harris thing was they were worried that she couldn't. I think they made a good assessment that she couldn't.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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I mean, I've seen her have fun with people. There's this one very funny conversation where she's talking about meeting her in-laws for the first time where her mother-in-law grabs her face. And it's really funny. It's funny listening to her saying she's laughing hard, but a real laugh this time.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Just come back to me and think, I don't want to see this asshole. You really are. I know. I don't want to hear someone lecturing me that I just, oh, it's so sad. It's crazy. But I think real conversation, like celebrities were always people that were on a pedestal and you didn't think of them as real people.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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You know, you never got to see John Wayne having long form conversations where he explains his position on this or that. You just never saw any of that. And I think more of that is being exposed now, and I think it's probably good for all of us to not have these ridiculous perceptions of these people and think of them as being larger-than-life characters. They're just humans.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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They're just regular people. They're all just human beings, and some of these regular human beings are really fucking good at playing bad guys. But you meet them in real life, and they're real super sweet. They're really nice people. They're just good at their job. Their job is pretending to be an asshole. That's right. You know, and it's what we...

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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The more conversations we have, the more conversations that we have access to, the more we get to see the patterns of how human beings think and behave, and the more we get to see what we like. And generally, what we like is nice people being real.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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There was no one like him.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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He's a sweet guy, but there's a monster in there. Dude. And he can hit that switch. He's scary. Still scary. He scared the shit out of me. Meeting him the first time, I think Kevin Hart was the first one to say it. He said it's like you're in the room with a lion. You're like, okay. Is the lion cool? He's not going to kill me? Okay. It's like, Jesus.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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But there's certain people that I meet that I meet them and I'm like, I can't believe I'm in the room with Quentin Tarantino. That is bizarre. There's a few of those people that you meet them. Trump's one of those people. You're like, he's right there. A presence that's undeniable. That guy, unlike anybody else, can be himself. Yes. That guy can be himself no matter what.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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He can be himself at press conferences. He could be himself on a podcast. That's a huge strength that he could be himself. You either like who he is or you dislike who he is. But you have to respect that guy can be himself.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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It just really stretches your mind and your imagination to imagine living like that back then. And that these people, while Rome was being built, the Colosseum, Europe, all these different places in the world, these people were living the same way people lived tens of thousands of years ago right here.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And I'm like. Just a fake person. Just come on. Yeah. Weird, right? Yeah. It's weird when you're around them because if you're capable of talking to people fake like this, what are the things? What are you capable of? Yeah. Yeah. You're a strange human. That's exactly right. And your whole aspiration is to like stay fake and to make as much money possible while being fake.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Right. How? Where did that come from?

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Nobody understands it. It's like so transparent and it's right in front of your face. Like the Nancy Pelosi situation. She's never made more than $175,000 a year. She's worth a hundred and something million dollars. How does that happen? It's like corruption. Corruption. It only happens through corruption and it's transparent legal corruption. It's very strange. And it's on both sides.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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It happens everywhere. If you look at the stock trading and the red versus blue, they're both right up there. They all have inside information. And they put Martha Stewart in jail for it, didn't they? Yes. Well, they actually put her in jail for lying. She lied to federal investigators. Ah. I got you. It was Comey. It was the same guy who went after Trump. It's real wild.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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It's real wild when you see what it really is all about. And there's politics on both sides. And it's not a right or a left thing. It's a power and corruption thing.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Yeah, it's a good time. It's a crazy time to be alive, but I think it's a beautiful time. It's amazing, man.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And only in America, baby. Only in America. Only in America. I have more hope for this country right now after this election than I've had in a long, long time. I do, too. It feels like with this crew of people, with J.D. Vance and Elon Musk and RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard and Vivek Ramaswamy, I think there's a real chance that things can change.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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Real chance that we can expose some of the deep-seated corruption, some of the problems that we've had in this country and move us onto a better path. I do, too.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

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And he's liberal. But he was like, listen, everybody pretends that they're mad that Trump won. But there's a recognizable feeling of relaxation in New York. Like, some sense of logic has prevailed. No one really believed that she was going to be a great president. And they certainly didn't believe that Tim Walsh was going to be a great vice president. That was crazy.

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#2248 - Michael Waddell

9810.085

That was crazy that that guy was supposed to be one heartbeat away from the fucking president. And then they also knew that there was so much corruption involved. Everybody knew what they were doing with the Twitter files and all that other shit. There's so much that, like...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2248 - Michael Waddell

9841.621

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2248 - Michael Waddell

9883.691

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2248 - Michael Waddell

9886.373

Yeah. Just save a quarter. My friend Brian has this thing, and I say it all the time. He said, this is how rich you want to get, where you can go to a restaurant and order whatever you want and not worry about it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2248 - Michael Waddell

9907.661

Everything else on top of that, you don't really notice it. It's kind of bullshit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2248 - Michael Waddell

9969.442

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2248 - Michael Waddell

9975.364

Oh, yeah, just in your bow and your arrows and your broadheads and your fucking range finder and your minos and your gear and your clothing and your boots. Yeah. The tires on your truck and gas and this and that and then tags. Oh, it's not cheap. Oh, it's not cheap.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

10684.877

It's a beautiful thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

10736.664

Maybe I will insist.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

10749.492

Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

1188.606

Oh, really? But, yeah, it probably is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

227.329

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

2367.953

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

2540.547

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

2543.31

Sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

3315.589

No more dictators.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

3501.426

There are diamond planets. There's unlimited. Isn't that insane?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

3986.303

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

4041.343

This is a great conversation, by the way. I haven't thought about this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

5057.043

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

6755.258

If it's coming right now...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

6864.747

101.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

7809.813

No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

7970.988

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

8154.041

Starlink. They should try it so they know space is real. They probably think it's just deflecting off the dome or something. I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

8650.645

That's so important. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

897.336

That's fine. No need to.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

9094.699

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2217 - Brian Cox

9135.805

As we talked about earlier. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1067.052

And I brought my son.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

115.746

Yeah, for sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1234.689

Yeah, I started. I was an illustrator when I was a kid. I wanted to do comic book illustration. Yeah. That was my thing. Yeah. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Visible. Now you know I tend to go down a lot of rabbit holes. I want to know everything about everything. And if you're like that, you need wireless that can keep up. Visible is wireless that lets you live in the know.

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#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

13.16

Very, very nice to meet you. Incredible to meet you. I'm a fucking gigantic fan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1304.898

Because it's just, it's not you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1308.823

When did you learn that as a, I don't think I knew that. I think I was doing that, but I didn't know it. And until I started reading about it, like the concept of the muse. Oh, right, right, right. Like that you just have to sit down and do the work and it comes to you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1326.745

But you realized it at 19. I realized at 19 that that was the process. That it wasn't you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1540.805

I think it's all right. Let's see how it does.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1545.067

That sounds like something he would say to you. That's so funny. That's like a Miyamoto Musashi quote from the Book of Five Rings. Once you know the way broadly, you can see it in all things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1574.438

What is it? You shouldn't say that. And a lot of comedians say that, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1611.689

Hovering over you, waiting to be summoned.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1614.932

It's not you. It's not you. Will you just let me through? And it's crazy that that concept has been around forever, this concept of the muse.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1638.316

Yeah. Pressfield literally thinks that it's like like an angel or like some sort of a divine presence that presents. I think. I think there's something to it, man. It sounds so kooky, but if something is super successful for amazing people, and they're all telling you the same thing, like, why do you have to... Nah, man, I'm not stupid. I'm not going to believe in the concept.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1663.833

Whatever the fuck it is, there's something that happens when you're creative where you feel like an antennae. You feel like you just take – these ideas are coming to you. They're entering into your mind. It's not physical effort. It's not like you're picking up bricks and stacking them on the wall. Like something is happening to you. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1696.044

Oh, you have original Frazettas? Yeah. Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1733.235

Yeah, it's something that everyone should learn. With anything in life, anything that you're doing in life, is just to take action and trust this process that happens. But you have to do things. You can't just sit and wonder. And it's that procrastination and the anxiety about starting that's crippling for people. It keeps them from getting off the ground.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

18.202

I just love what you've done because, like, anybody who could start their career off and make a movie for $7,000 is a hero. That's just an incredible accomplishment to make a movie that people still watch and talk about today for $7,000.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1822.352

That was the movie where there was four different stories playing simultaneously.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1857.654

100%.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1858.594

I'm primarily instinctual.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1915.087

Can I offer a counter to that? Sure. It only bombed financially.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

1920.49

Artistically, it was a very good movie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2027.459

Well, that's also the magical part of the creative process is that it's not always going to work. And that's actually good. That means when it does work, it'll be even more rewarding. Yeah. I mean, mariachi didn't work. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. It's the end of tax season and I know by now you all are probably sick of numbers.

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2047.238

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2116.693

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2167.891

Is it true that you invented the walk away with the explosion behind you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2263.979

They even used it for Fear Factor. Now that I'm thinking about it, we used it for one of the ads for Fear Factor. It was me walking away, and they blew some shit up behind me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2275.588

I thought it was the dumbest shit ever. Because it was a TV show about people eating dicks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2288.246

All right. That's hilarious. That's where I came from.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2300.554

I fucking loved that movie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2338.314

No, no, because it wasn't mine. Again, it came... Of course.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2346.06

Sometimes you stumble upon... But it's got to be pretty cool that it's become, like, a part of, like, action films. Yeah. Dust Till Dawn is so... First of all, who knew Quentin Tarantino would play such a good fucking psychopath?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2539.447

You're really great in this movie. Yeah, no one can listen. You can't listen. Anybody's talking shit about Quentin in that movie, shut up. Oh, yeah. He nailed it. He scared the fuck out of me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2558.218

Of course.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2563.983

Yeah, you just have to tune out the noise.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2567.647

I just tune it out. I'm busy. Stay busy. I don't read anything about me. That's the big one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2651.93

Yeah, it comes with the territory.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2724.245

I think it's also important to recognize that the people that are tossing shit your way, they're doing it to distract themselves from the fact that they're not contributing anything. It's almost always the case of that. That's what the critic is. The critic is... would not be a critic if they had something to contribute.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2738.076

So they see other people that are taking that chance and going out there and they're acting On their instincts and they're putting something together and they try to attack all those things as being garbage because really they're not contributing. And they may very well want to. It's very easy to attack.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2759.036

Most of them, yeah. The same instincts that make them want to attack successful people are the same things that hold them back from being creative. Talk about closing that pipe. Yeah. I mean, doing it to yourself.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

2815.566

Dusk Till Dawn was so fun because it was two different movies. That's why it couldn't get made.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3.993

The Joe Rogan Experience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3016.169

You've done so many different kinds of movies. It's so interesting because you never got, you know, Quentin essentially does these wild, chaotic action movies that just blow you away. You do everything. Like, you're doing, like, kids' movies.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3079.477

Yeah. Like when the yellow guy gets shot in the dick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3087.273

That by the way was one of the fucking creepiest characters ever in a film.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3131.934

Jamie, can you show me the scene with Mickey Rourke and the yellow guy?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3136.777

Excuse me, Bruce Willis and the yellow guy. There's three stories in it. Just I just want to like while you're talking about this, I want to look at it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3342.353

I just respect the artist.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3458.854

That's incredible. And it was so inspiring, too. That movie was so, because when I left the theater, I remember thinking, I've never seen anything like that before. It was like the comic, because the comic was that way. It was so different. When someone does something that really just steps up and enters into kind of just a new area of art, because that's what it felt like.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3478.942

It felt like a real, legitimate comic book art movie. And this is before 300.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3484.845

So 300 kind of took that as well. Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3495.03

It was a new thing. And it was so fun. Because it was also a Frank Miller movie. The thing about the, yeah, right? Same thing. The thing about those kind of films where someone does something new, it's like when you see something new, and I felt this way about Pulp Fiction too, you're like, wow. You leave the theater like everything's different. The world's different. That got made? Now I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3515.085

And the thing about people today... Like young people today that don't know how revolutionary Pulp Fiction was when it came out. When it came out, it was like such a different kind of feeling that you got after you saw the movie. It was there's so many what the fuck scenes that you left that theater like, Jesus Christ. It's like the world was different. The world was different.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3538.707

Quentin Tarantino changed the world with Pulp Fiction. That's how profound it was. And I'm not exaggerating. It changed what was possible in film after that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

356.798

You're getting paid to practice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3803.774

Yeah Really crazy. Yeah, yeah

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3831.774

I thought I made a great movie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3869.86

There's a lot of films that slip through the cracks for whatever reason or they don't get received. You know what I saw recently that I fucking loved? The Monkey. Did you see The Monkey? The Monkey, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a Stephen King book. Or it might have been a short story. It was a short story that was adapted. It's fucking fun, man. My youngest daughter loves horror movies.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3894.092

We watch a lot of horror movies together. And we were looking for something the other night. And we're like, all right, let's take a chance on this. Had no idea what it was. Watched the trailer. I'm like, are you in? She's like, OK, this is good. So it's fucking chaos. It's such a chaotic, insane, hyper-violent movie. Right, right. But funny and just kind of scary. It was really good, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3922.017

It was like a classic, what I really love about the early Stephen King work.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3957.501

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

3989.69

I would have never guessed Shawshank was a failure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4001.115

Look at this. Opening night to see the audience to view their film, Darabont and Glotzer went to the Cinerama Dome and found no one there. The Cinerama Dome. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4021.609

That's clearly a fault of the marketing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4025.955

I'm blaming them. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4079.293

Oh, I remember this. Okay, so anyway. That's the same dude that was Lawnmower Man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

415.396

Did you do it like that with the index cards? Index cards. I do this for everything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4170.925

It's so cool.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4176.972

It's just all interconnected somehow. Yeah, somehow it's interconnected.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4206.818

Everyone has doubts. It's what you do with them. Do you let your doubts overwhelm you, or do you take them into consideration? Like, are these doubts valid? And what do I have to do to make sure that these fears don't manifest themselves as reality? Do I have to do extra work? Do I have to work harder? Do I have to be more objective?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4226.821

You know, you have to take into consideration that anything you're going to do that's going to be exciting also carries the possibility of risk. And the risk of failure is a thing that keeps a lot of people from acting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4245.37

There's a jiu-jitsu expression. A lot of people use it in MMA as well. You don't lose, you learn.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4253.676

I said, no, I don't have any doubts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4257.519

Yeah, your process is long. The thing is long. It's not a sprint. You're not running to a telephone pole. You're running to the other side of the world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4289.951

Risk averse early on, and it becomes a pattern. And it's very hard to break out of. And I always tell them, find something that you can have success in. Find something that you enjoy doing. It doesn't have to be a career. It could be a game that you enjoy playing. It could be anything, painting, writing. Yeah. It can be a thing that you enjoy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

431.445

And that's a tiny little stack. This is a tiny one you can carry anywhere. I gave this to my kids one Christmas. For people that are just listening, it's closed together with rubber bands.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4315.623

All day.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4331.47

Because I can't pay attention to class. I used to do cartoons of the teachers in high school. Yeah, and everybody loved them. Yeah, I'd pass them around the class, and I got in trouble a bunch of times for it. And one time I had this science teacher, Mr. Holman. And Mr. Holman was a very odd, very eccentric guy. And so I drew a cartoon of him behind his screen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4353.469

So he had a screen that he pulled down where he could show like films. And then when he pulls the screen up, he had no idea that on the chalkboard I had written – I had drawn this cartoon of him and the whole fucking – class starts laughing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4367.261

Yeah, it was like my first introduction to being a comedian. It's very satisfying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4374.847

No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4396.917

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4406.879

100%.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4412.041

And if that's not it, at least you'll have learned that you could follow this process to get good at something or get really deeply involved in something and you can apply that to other things. It might be a new thing that you get excited about.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4438.089

Self-defining.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4516.819

They fused his spine? Is that what they did?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4519.762

God damn it. Every time I hear a story like that, I wish I could talk to that guy before he did that. I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4628.551

I don't know what happened to her, but I thought... That voice is killing me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4848.72

Lex needs a guy like you in his life all the time. He's too self-deprecating. He's such a brilliant guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4859.123

He beats himself up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4870.437

You're the one who's like, you do that to yourself with your words. He'll make like Twitter posts about how down he is. And I want to go over to his house and fucking shake him like a baby. Yeah, dude, you're down. You're going to stay down. I have this theory called baseline.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4954.849

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4973.641

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4975.562

It's just like you taught me. They also learn by watching you do it. Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

4981.287

Yeah. If you're the dad and you're making all these films, you're doing all this. You're involved. You have action. There's a lot of action. You're constantly in motion. You're doing things. You're creating things. That's inspiring to them. They absorb that. If you're down on yourself all the time. Oh, yeah. They go, okay, that's life. That's going to happen to me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5000.462

Or you can reject that and be the opposite. Like, I have a friend, and his family was alcoholics. He's never had a drop of drink in his life, and he's, like, super disciplined because of that. I'll tell you my secret. I've never done drugs. None? None. Nothing? I've never been drunk. Yeah, you don't even drink coffee, you were saying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5020.648

You were telling that story because it's so hilarious. Oh, a friend of mine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5060.395

I can stay up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5097.539

Don't you get a point of diminishing returns where it's like you're so tired that you really will be better off sleeping?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5129.834

That's incredible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5158.512

Yeah, definitely fuel. That's why I always tell people, if you can surround yourself with other people that are really getting after it in life, it will 100% motivate you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5166.413

In a different way. Instead of having that procrastination feeling, you get up excited.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

52.831

You did the audio for it, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5200.925

That's a great one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5205.208

Yeah, but it's still exciting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5214.115

Yes, yes, yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5295.294

That's so insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5296.875

That's so insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5308.622

Yeah, that's a legitimate genius.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5421.383

That's really important in stand-up comedy. I was having this conversation last night in the green room. We were talking about this area of the country that's falling apart, and I was like, comedy is top down, man. You have to have a bunch of assassins all working together in the same location. They all feed off each other. And then all the people coming up below, they see that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5440.854

They see these young guys that are coming up. They see these people working really hard and constantly creating and hustling, doing all these different sets and constantly working on new material. And they get inspired by it. And then you see these guys get Netflix specials. And it's all happening at the club. So this club that we're doing in Austin is all about that process.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5459.11

We have specifically designed it to have two open mic nights, Sunday and Monday. So new people, no experience, get up there. People from all across the country moving here so they can be a part of the process. But there's like a real path to success that you can see. Guys like Ron White are there. Guys like Shane Gillis are there. Tony Hinchcliffe and these young guys.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5481.139

Derek Post and all these young guys that are coming up that are really exciting. It's really fun. There's a vibe of creativity that everybody feeds off of.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5496.367

Well, it kind of built itself, man. It's the same thing we were talking about before with instincts. First of all, I had the instinct to escape L.A. I was like, this is not going to change. It's going to get worse. I've got to get the fuck out of here. And Ron had already been here. Ron was here in 2018. And once my family was interested in doing it, it was pretty easy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5517.319

Because I'm one of those guys like... I just can just pick up stakes and go. I'm like, okay, life is different now. Let's live in Texas. I want that. I like change. I like not having any fucking idea what's going to happen. I'm excited by that. And so then once we got out here, and then Ron's like, we got to open up a club. I'm like, okay, we got to open up a club.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5542.982

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5543.642

Oh, that's right. I'd been under contract for this one world theater that was owned by a cult. Oh, right. I remember that one. That fell apart. Ritz is cool.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5553.689

Oh, the Ritz was the perfect spot. When the Ritz was available, it was like, oh, my God, this is it. And then we walked in, and it was still the Alamo, so it was set up for a movie theater with the angled slope seating. And then we had to change everything, but I'm like, this is it. Yeah. And then I started bringing in other comics to help me. I'm like, what would you do? And Louis C.K.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5573.062

came and he was like, I think you should make the stage smaller. Make the stage smaller. I think you should make the ceiling lower. Make the ceiling lower. So we were able to do whatever we wanted to do and design the club from scratch just for comics. And once everybody knew that it was happening, people just started moving here, man. It was nuts. You build it, they will come.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5593.797

It really was like that. But it was like the universe wanted it to happen. And I say that and it sounds so... Self-important. No, no.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5605.483

So many things had to happen in this order for it to happen this way. And then you had to have someone who's like me, who's accustomed to just going by instinct.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5615.75

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5616.351

And I've always done that. My whole life, I'm like, fuck it. Let's do this. I'm like, that's what I do. And so when this came up, I'm like, okay, well, you're not going to stop doing what you do now. Don't be a pussy. This is what you do. You're going to... Throw a bunch of money at this thing. Let's make this happen. And tell everybody you're doing it. And call all your friends in L.A.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5634.525

and call all your friends in New York. Come on down, man. We're making this happen. Wow, wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5697.613

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

570.143

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5772.306

That really is an important piece of advice too. If you're outside of a hive of like-minded thinking, when you're outside of that, you can think on your own.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5782.475

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5794.765

That's L.A. Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5801.974

It's also... Their opinions are only based on what's popular. It's like you were talking about Pulp Fiction. Before, they're like, what the fuck is this? And then they're like, oh, my God. Now we've got to make something like this. Let's make Dusk Till Dawn. That's what it is. Their opinions are bullshit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5816.987

It's all just based on they lick their finger and they find out which way the wind's blowing, and that's how they think. And that's how they are politically. That's how they are socially. It's like they're nonsense people. Yeah. And you got to get away from that. Get away and just create your own thing. The problem with comics is that we all got trapped in the velvet prison of television.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5835.779

Right, right. So television's the velvet prison. The real art form is what we do on stage. That's what everybody really loves.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5844.802

Yes, sitcoms, game shows.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5856.006

Exactly. Well, what happened was the internet came along and a bunch of unconventional people became very famous on the internet without the help of Hollywood. The Tim Dylans of the world that don't fit into this television box But when you get them on the internet and they can get buck wild, like, oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5874.353

And then they have this massive following, the Theo Vaughns, all these different people that have this very unconventional approach that for whatever reason wouldn't fit in. They couldn't host The Tonight Show. Right. But, you know, once they get on their own and now they develop these – like there's more arena acts now for stand-up comedy than ever before in the history of comedy. Wow. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5896.168

That's amazing. Yeah. I mean, not even close. I mean, the only arena act in the 1980s was Andrew Dice Clay. Right. So first it was Steve Martin. Then it was Andrew Dice Clay. And Steve Martin kind of decided that the popularity of it all was so confusing to him that everything that he said was funny and it didn't make any sense. And he stopped doing comedy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5915.565

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5915.805

Stopped doing stand-up. Which he had a very different kind of stand-up anyway. He played the banjo and he sang songs. So Dice comes along and Dice Clay is selling out Arena. It's like the first comedian ever to do that. And then later in the 2000s, it was Dane Cook because Dane Cook figured out how to use MySpace and developed this gigantic following online. Same kind of thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5937.702

And so then when by the time the pandemic hit, I was like, we don't need to be in L.A. Right. We're not going to be on TV. The only reason why we're in L.A. is the comedy store and the comedy store is closed for the next fucking year and a half because these idiots that are running the city. And we came to Texas.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5956.209

And once we were out here, I was like, oh, this is so much better because now instead of being around these Hollywood people that don't really have opinions, they just go whichever way the breeze is going. Now you're hanging out with regular folks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

596.366

So if you're looking to build or even upgrade your current website, check out squarespace.com for a free trial or go to squarespace.com slash rogan to save 10% off your first website or domain purchase. How did you develop this approach? Like is this something you completely invented yourself just to map out life on index cards?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5969.696

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5970.096

Like regular people, people that are cops and firemen and auto repair guys. You're just humans. Yeah. So all the people I interact with are just normal humans. That's what I always loved about living here. This is so much better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5984.185

So much better. It's infinitely better. Nicer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

5995.856

There also has to be something cool feeling about like doing it on your own away from the hive. Oh, way better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6026.686

One movie that seemed like it could be a franchise is Alita.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6031.083

For sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6034.984

I want to go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6046.587

Can I come home Friday? Yeah, come Friday.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6049.388

Okay, we're in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6147.6

That's such a great idea.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6185.259

$250.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6202.994

Of sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6209.019

I want to bring you back to Frazetta. Oh, yeah. Because this is the thing that I wanted to pitch this to Quentin, and maybe I could pitch this to you. Sure. Somebody needs to make a real Conan the Barbarian. Yeah. A real Conan the Barbarian that's like the Robert E. Howard books.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6224.731

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6225.392

The real Conan the Barbarian.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6227.253

Those are amazing books.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6227.894

Because the Arnold ones are great. They're fun. And Momoa, I think, is the best Conan of all time because he was that – the guy – what was his name in Game of Thrones? I don't remember, but yeah. Khalil Drago. Yeah. He's the most realistic of all Conants. That's what Conan's supposed to look like. He didn't look like a bodybuilder. He looked like a fucking super fit assassin. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6253.431

Sword in the mountains of Samaria. But the books. Books are awesome. They're fucking awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6265.002

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6266.464

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6269.829

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6293.326

Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6345.746

Dude, let me call them. Let me get on the phone with Ted Sarandos right after this. Let's go make it. Hey, Jamie, can you pull up Frazetta, Conan the Usurper?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6358.849

I don't.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6365.971

Oh, I see.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6370.692

If you just pull up Frazetta, Conan, because he did a bunch of them. So you'll love this. Yes, here we go. Chained, the barbarian, man ape. The one when he's standing over the bodies with the sword pointed to the ground. That's called the barbarian. Yes, that's the one. I remember seeing that when I was a kid because I was always into graphic novels and I was always into comic books.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6393.077

And I saw that when I was a kid at a comic book store. I was probably like 11 years old. I was like, wow. Holy shit. That is the coolest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6452.065

That was Frazetta? Yeah, he did that. Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6505.897

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6570.13

Make him look like that. Yeah. Go back to that photo again, Jamie? With the sword? It's called The Barbarian. You could say that Conan's been done too many times. No, the one with the sword? Yeah, that one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6598.629

Covered in scars. Let's make him look like that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6601.15

It's like a made up, even anatomy in a way. The books were so fucking good, man. Even though Conan's been done a bunch of times, it hasn't been done right. Never been done the right way, yeah. No, it hasn't been done like the books. And it's so ripe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6661.509

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6686.98

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

669.571

So it started off with cartoons and then worked into writing. But I haven't seen too many people apply it the way you're explaining it. Like you could actually use that to fix your life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6746.426

Oh, so it was so cool.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6755.847

So they start putting the books out, more mass publishing in the 1960s. So he does these illustrations. He does the paintings. They're flying off the shelves. Flying off the shelves. Because of the paintings.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6767.79

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6781.772

That's so cool.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6785.314

I had all the masterworks. We have one of the prints. Go back to those images. The one that we have, Jamie, with him with the giant gorilla.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6793.579

We have one of those where he's fighting the gorilla. He's on its back. He's got a red cape. Yeah, that's called Man-Ape. Man-Ape, that's right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6803.015

There it is. That's it. We have a print of that. That was in my house. Oh! The real one? The real one. Okay, so here's what happened. Oh, my God. We have that out by the pool table. Look how fucking cool that is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6823.93

Oh, my God. Can you take it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6832.916

I had that one in my house.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6843.044

Those inspired me so much as a kid to be an illustrator. The Frazetta paintings and some of the drawings from the graphic novels that people had made of these inspired me so much as a kid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6861.136

Yeah, fantasy. Pure fantasy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6864.716

Yes. And every young kid wanted, oh, I wish I was Conan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6872.058

No, I hate working out. You're 11. You're like, oh, God, I wish I was that. I wish I had that kind of power and strength. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6907.836

The Marvel comics were fun, but they were— This was still under Marvel, but it wasn't under the code because it was considered a magazine. That's what I'm saying. The Marvel comics were fun, but they weren't brutal enough.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6919.643

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6920.963

By doing a magazine, they got around it. See if you can find the Savage Sword of Conan. Yeah, Savage Sword of Conan, number one. Oh. There it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6932.15

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6934.311

Boris Vallejo was incredible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6973.119

That was so cool. Shut them all up. Shut them all up. Pull up Boris Vallejo Conan, because Boris had a different style. It was like a little more... And also you could feel... Sexual or something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6990.566

Well, it was very cool, but it was a different feeling. Frazetta was more raw. Very raw. Boris Vallejo, it was great, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

6999.534

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7007.441

I mean, this is Man-Ape.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7010.303

He's doing Man-Ape in a different version of it. And, you know, I drew a lot of things that were like that, like a different version of Frazetta stuff. Everybody did. But, yeah, I was more of a Frazetta guy than a Boris Vallejo guy. I loved it. It was great. I was happy that he was doing it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7026.238

That's pretty dope. That one's pretty dope.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7032.283

That one was really cool.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7038.85

No, it's just Frazetta just had, it was more fantastical. I think it's because of that process.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7090.502

Mirrors are good for form.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7098.125

Oh, wow. That one? See, like that one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7121.262

But there's something about seeing the actual physical thing. When you see the real thing, it's so inspiring.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7130.27

I've got a photo of Alexander Karelin out there. That's my photo to remind me every day what a pussy I am. Alexander Karelin was like the greatest Olympic wrestler to ever come out of Russia. There's a photo. Pull up the photo that we have in the gym. He was a freak. They called him the science project because his parents were like 5'5".

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7149.062

And he was like 6'2", 300 pounds, and just built like a panther. Look at that. That's him. Oh, geez, yeah. That's the picture. That picture up in the gym. That's my inspiration. Every day I work out. Because he was just such a fucking physical freak. And it's just that particular image, that intensity. If I'm ever tired, I look at that image.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7173.433

I work out every day. Yeah. Basically every day. First thing in the morning? Occasionally I feel like I need a day off. I'll take a day off. But yeah, first thing in the morning. Right. Yeah. That's the thing. Get up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7182.999

Get going.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7183.659

Get going. Cobwebs out of your head. Well, it's like you said, like you decide I'm an athlete. I sort of decide I'm this person who gets up and gets in the cold plunge first thing in the morning. Right, right. I'm this person that does these two and a half hour workouts and then gets in the sauna. That's what I do. I do it every day.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7250.285

three minutes in between each one you get work done you certainly can you try in fact there was a study that just came out recently that showed that you get more results from one set to failure than you do with three sets yeah sometimes i would then just keep holding the bar After I was done, just like for 10 more seconds? Yeah, there was some study. See if you can find this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7272.481

It was a very recent study. It was very counterintuitive because a lot of people think more work, better results. Right. But in this study, they were showing that they got more strength gains and more muscle recruitment in one hard set to failure. There's a lot of counterintuitive stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7317.956

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7361.76

You got to stay in shape. There's a photo of Stallone walking around Malibu looking like he's nine months pregnant. Have you seen that photo? No. I don't know if he did that for a movie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7372.99

It was recent. It was like within the last few years. What is he now? He's like... No excuses.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7380.274

Stay in shape.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7382.775

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7387.998

Yeah, here it is. Study finds higher training volume increases size, not strength. Oh, this isn't it. No, this is in May of 2024. It was very recently. It was about one set. Doing one set to failure shows strength and muscle recruitment benefits over three sets. Yeah, so, I mean, I don't know when the last time we saw the Rocky. Yeah, here it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7411.671

New research says you could build strength and muscle with single set training. No, this isn't it either. It might be December 2024. It might be it. So just one hard set per exercise delivers impressive results. Yeah, at least try that. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7427.382

They were saying that it actually works better. So maybe this is another thing. Because I read it just a couple of days ago. It doesn't matter. We get it. But that is also very counterintuitive. Because most people think... Oh, it's all about the amount of time you spend. The time and the pressure. Yeah. But I do a lot of different exercises. I do full body workouts almost entirely.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7450.5

Unless one day a week I do heavy leg stuff where it's just legs because there's so many muscles in the legs. When I want to make sure that I'm doing that, it takes too much time because I'm doing leg curls and leg presses and lunges. You've got to keep that muscle. I can't do other stuff too. But I like working out by myself. Yeah. I'm a trainer because it's time to think. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7476.256

Time to really know what the voice is. It's very meditative.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

786.602

Well, I think it's kind of a fear of incompetence and failure, especially if you're undertaking something like starting a film. Like some people just, for whatever reason they did, they don't have the confidence to just potentially fail. And just try it. Just get moving. Just get, you know, Hemingway. My friend Ari on his laptop, he has this quote.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7904.89

That's great advice. Especially when you do something like you do. It depends on what you have.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7914.454

Right, but this thing that you were saying about jobs for dummies, 99% of people are not going to be able to do this. Well, that's the thing. It's like, yeah, but it's possible. It is possible. And part of the 99% are not going to do it because they don't know anybody who's done it. Right. That's part of the problem, right? And once you see, like, oh, look how he did this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

7932.302

He just did... I think I could... He told me how he made El Mariachi. I think it could be done.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

804.741

top of his keyboard, first draft of everything is shit. Yeah. And it's Hemingway. I'm like, God, what a great fucking... It's like such an important thing to know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8126.825

So you cut in the audio by hand and try to sink it to the mouth?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8138.492

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

814.554

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8157.341

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

827.406

That means you're not wasting your time. I think it's really important for people to hear someone like you who's accomplished so much say it that way because they can internalize it and go, okay, this is what it is. I just have to do something. I just actually get moving. I just can't sit around waiting for the perfect time because it won't happen. It's not going to happen. And there's that thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8325.669

That is phenomenal advice. And coming from a person like you that has accomplished so much, it's so resonant.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8348.197

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8413.138

Yeah. But you actually – Also, maybe you don't and maybe you're cocky, which is equally bad.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8422.503

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8434.849

Yeah, don't think about you at all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

846.498

Like you have to – You know, I always give people copies of the War of Art Pressfield. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Amazing. It's a great book. But it's all about that. That book is if you're trying to figure it out, that book's the guidebook. Read that book. It's a short little book, super easy to read. And it gives you the tools to put in your head like, oh, this is resistance, like this procrastination.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

867.769

This is weird fear of doing it. Yeah. Because it's not like the thing you're doing is painful, which is really crazy. Like writing out cool plot lines and that's got to be fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8779.448

I didn't know he had the reputation. I don't know, but somebody told me. I fucking loved him in Blade Runner.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

882.139

Tedious.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8896.142

That's amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

895.174

I mean, I'm sure there's a bunch of people out there that are in the middle of that right now, and they're trying to figure out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8955.492

Well, it's also these exceptional actors with these eccentric personalities. They're oftentimes, like, if you put them in a bad environment, you're going to get a fucking terrible result because it's part of what they are is, like, a little bit of chaos.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8969.31

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8972.815

Think about the type of guy that told you that, like, wait, you filmed this and you didn't get the rights. Yeah, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

8981.306

Exactly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

9017.272

That's awesome. Listen, brother, I've really enjoyed this. Oh, man. We'll have to bring you to the studio. A lot of things, I want to see the studio, but I think a lot of things you said are really going to help a lot of people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

9141.625

Yeah, and the more you interact with things, the more you contribute.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

9151.69

You got to come see that. Definitely.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

9154.492

Cause you'd be great.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

9160.696

Thanks, sir. It was awesome. I really appreciate it. All right. Bye everybody. Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2261 - Warren Smith

100.718

No, it doesn't feel right. Okay. I...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2261 - Warren Smith

10005.161

When does that happen? Peter was talking about this Gutenberg revolution of YouTube. And there's only one other professor. Okay, you've got like Eric Weinstein and all that. Okay, putting all of them aside, Sam Richardson, School of Communications is the only, and he's doing it. Every class is streamed live and the university is cool with it. All the students are cool with it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2261 - Warren Smith

10027.417

200 students in the auditorium, they come up on stage and he's applying critical to he challenged them on the CEO of Papa John's concept where he got fired for saying the N word. With the context of that's not a good thing to say. And it's really interesting to see. And his office hours, I got to join him for his office hours and was live streamed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2261 - Warren Smith

10048.515

That's just using this technology in such a remarkable way. There's so much potential for that in schools and education. But everyone's so afraid because they don't want to put themselves out there. That school was terrified that their name would get out there. They're so used to going through life without any ability for the public to see what's going on because no one would care.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2261 - Warren Smith

10071.224

First of all, no one cares. And then suddenly there's the potential and it changes your world. And the question is, look, if you're that scared of transparency, you're probably doing something wrong.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2261 - Warren Smith

10083.673

It's not just what you do, but how you do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2261 - Warren Smith

10098.572

There's this technology is incredible. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2261 - Warren Smith

10150.086

you need people with integrity. And so I would, I would say thank you for having the integrity to how many people when presented with Kamala Harris or Kamala Harris to do that interview to be like, no, we're going to do it for real. If we're going to do, I'll do it. Yeah. It's like, there's just so many other people would have just compromised.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2261 - Warren Smith

1048.533

Yeah, they're not much smarter than you or I. No. And then you realize that about your professors. Right. This guy really... Doesn't know much more than like my my dad or what's the dip what makes you a professor what right qualifies you and Often there's just this and that's what going back to that core thesis if we see the world through stories mmm Professor means something.

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How do you define hate speech?

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Yeah, it's not.

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The quote, my favorite Churchill quote, democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others. And I use that if anyone... If anyone tries to get into the free speech debate, I do think the approach that Elon's using on X, short of the law, freedom of speech, short of the law, we already have that objective line, that framework.

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We know when it's crossed, that's what the law is there for. We don't need any other subjective interpretations. What is hate speech? What's happening in England? It doesn't mean that there's not potential for someone to misuse it. Of course. The same way democracy is going to end in inequality in certain areas.

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You're going to have inequality no matter what we do because there's going to be in capitalism. Capitalism is the worst economic approach except every other one. Right. There's problems to it. That's right.

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People love when they debate you. They point out these little flaws. Well, here's an anecdote of how hate speech was used. Here's a potential. Of course, there's going to be potential flaws. It doesn't mean you have a better alternative. What is your alternative solution? Exactly. Exactly.

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Yeah, Warren Smith-Secret Scholar Society.

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I'm on X. It's WTSmith17 for some reason.

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Yes politician means something. These are experts. Yeah, they're not much different than us. I

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Yeah, if you go to Patreon, you can watch behind the scenes and exclusive. Oh, beautiful.

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Thank you for having me. We appreciate you.

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It's out there for sure.

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Yeah. How could you get something so wrong?

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Yeah. Yeah. I'm just trying to go back to those days and think about it, but it was at Emerson. I remember I was taking a class with the dean of the student body And it was a pedagogy class, the philosophy of teaching. And it was right in the midst of these protests. And it was the day of the protest. And there was like 10 people in the class. It's a four-hour class.

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So they're like, we're going to devote the four hours to talk about the problematic racism occurring at Emerson. So we're all sitting around. But the white students were not allowed to speak. We had to concede our space for four hours. And I just remember like, what the fuck?

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Because it was the moral right thing to do. Because we, they said to me, I remember he said, I said, what can I, I did say, I was like, what can I do about this? I genuinely, I genuinely believed everything. I was kind of, I was just starting to question things. I was like, what can I, I feel terrible speaking to the student who had just spoken.

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Like you genuinely feel every day you wake up and come to class, you feel oppressed. That sucks. What can I do? They didn't have a response because they just said, you can just listen. Just take your time to concede your space and listen. So that's that was the reason given concede your space.

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There was a Facebook group that was designed to provide that evidence called Emerson, hashtag Emerson so racist or something. And it was like a student, like a teacher said, no, you can't, you got to turn in the work or you're going to fail the class. Yeah. My first teaching gig occurred shortly after that. I remember this vividly.

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Yeah. And I don't teach critical thinking. I was, when I was a teacher, I was teaching multimedia, like what we're doing now, working with cameras, did a lot of podcasting. I had this lab that I developed over four years with a bunch of Mac computers with Adobe Premiere Pro, Photoshop, a 3D printer and,

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The teacher, I was going to be teaching the screenwriting course with undergraduates for the first time. And before the protest, she said, don't let them walk all over you. They will try and take advantage of you. If they don't do their work, just be fair, honest, give them the grade they deserve. After the protest, yeah, Warren, you remember when I was saying that?

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Because she got called out on the Facebook page for some stupid, I don't remember what it was, quote. Yeah, Warren, you remember what I was saying about that? I was wrong. Don't forget to be compassionate because that student is black and she reminded me of how difficult it is to be black at Emerson and so I couldn't fail her. I couldn't give her the grade.

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Honestly. Abracadabra. Yeah. It's just like microaggression. That's the thing about these claims, though, is there is no concrete evidence. It's things like microaggression. Someone made a reference about fried chicken that was... I've heard that one. That happened to my mom who's a professor, runs a study abroad program. She said... We're really excited.

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This place is, um, they have really, they were in Italy doing a study abroad program. She's like, I know you guys have been missing American food and this place has fried chicken. So, and it's really good here. And two of the students she was talking to at that table were black and they claimed that that was racist.

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Good food. Let's go eat good food. Keep that analogy in your mind about the boats floating on the surface. And they're just the tool. What's the intent? Right. If there's no intention there, you can't claim that's racist. Right. Unless you want it to be. Right. And this goes back to seeing the world through stories. If you believe a story is true, I'm oppressed. The world is active.

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So it was using technology to make art at a special education school with kids that had behavioral challenges and some – a variety. Anything you could come up with, we had it there. It was like the last line of defense kind of for public schools that couldn't handle these kids. They would send them there. And so I would just use this tech to work with them in a therapeutic way, kind of.

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There's systemic racism. There's active racism. I'm at my college. I'm a victim. You're going to start seeing what you believe to be true. You're going to start finding hints of it. Right. And it's true as well for like why it's important to have a moral code or I personally believe in a higher power.

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But if you believe in objective truth, you're going to see those lessons when they occur in life and it's going to be a help, be a guiding star for you. Yeah. But it can be wielded in both ways. It's like the response that I got about J.K. Rowling. It was the ContraPoints YouTuber. Everyone was like, you got it. Got to counter-contrapoint. She's the one who's taken down J.K. Rowling.

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The argument essentially is I'm so done arguing. I'm not even going to debate this. If anyone who believes in transphobia can see that J.K. Rowling is obviously transphobic, that's it. It's the same thing. If you believe in that definition of transphobia, well, you can find it almost infinite places.

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I can't even, I can't even do this. That's what I started. Like my mom disagrees with me heavily on politics, which is okay. In the wake of, we were talking about 2016 and I found Jordan Peterson. I was like, this guy, look at this. This is really interesting.

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And if I had any kind of conversation with her about it, even to this day, it's often, I think she's getting better now that I've been making content. Yeah. but it was often a formation of that pattern. I just can't do this with you, Warren. And it's just neutralizing the debate because they can't have the debate.

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That was my goal, the way that would most benefit them. And so one day they asked me to do a, hey, can you do a newscast for the school? Like this week at the school, you know, there was this field trip, the soccer team did this, blah, blah, blah. Sure. And we want this kid to be on camera and like to do, he's really good at that. And he was getting really nervous on the day.

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And people would counter and say, Joe, but... But like you're taking the extreme. You're claiming that trans people are walking around with erections. It allows for that capacity. It allows for that to occur.

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After all this craziness occurred with the video, viral video or whatever, I went back to North Carolina for the first time and my best friends, you know, who I've grown up with and we just, I guess, fine. They were deeply concerned about what I was doing. Right. You're talking to too many people from the right. I sat down with Destiny for six hours, but it's never enough.

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But I laid out what you were saying, and I was amazed that they couldn't. follow that logic that what about the mother in the dressing room with a six-year-old? Does she have a right to decide if that six-year-old is exposed to male genitalia? Just to keep it as simple as that, take out erections and all that. It's like, is it fair to her? And they just can't. Right. It seems so clear. It's,

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And the only solution I've been able to find is to just push through. Yeah. And I say to them, Chris, one day, I genuinely believe you'll look back and understand. One day. And I believe that.

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And so I was like, let's just sit down. You've seen Joe Rogan and stuff. Let's just treat it like a five-minute warm-up podcast. Here, I'll sit down and be on camera. You ask me whatever you want. Well, how have your thoughts on Harry Potter changed given J.K. Rowling's bigoted opinions? So that's where the video came from. So I just want to be clear. I don't teach.

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And people want to box you in on that. And this goes back to seeing stories. Which story do you fit into? Like my mom has a story of what a Democrat is. She can never think in a story of what a Republican is. She'll never deviate from that.

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Right. Exactly the same. I'd rather be homeless.

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Yeah. Yes. You know, it's I'm just I don't. I don't dread the question of, are you a Republican or a Democrat? It's like, who cares? I'm not a part of any... I'm just going to be... I'm going to call it as I see it. Follow the logic.

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Right.

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I wasn't like, we're going to sit down and learn in the moment what We do have conversations like that because when you are doing something like this with students, well, what are you gonna talk about? Kill two birds with one stone, be as effective as you can. A lot of students have questions. I've had students ask me, what's the difference between fascism and socialism?

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Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think there is a power in truth. It can be felt, like you're saying, and that's beneath the boats, beneath the surface, which we can't articulate. We can't explain how we can sense that on someone when they're bullshitting. You can feel it. So as a teacher, you really learn that reality if you're going to be effective. The first thing I would say on the first day to my students is,

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By law, by ethical bounds, there are going to be some things I can't tell you. Confidentiality, whatever. But I will never, I promise I will never tell you something I know to be untrue. They try and embody that through all behavior and that I saw that resonate. But there's a lot of. Teachers that, you know, it's a strange environment, that school. A lot of weird stuff.

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Well, it's an art school. That wasn't an art school. No, I'm talking about the ones where, like, the kids get kicked out of high school.

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So there's, like, gangs, drugs, you know.

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Yeah.

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What's the difference between a Democrat and a Republican? They don't know. And they're genuinely curious and sometimes you can get another. I had one teacher that the music teacher I worked closely with and he was like my best friend there and he would be in the room often and we would have little debates and he was from Romania. Yeah, I think Romania, I'm blanking.

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Mm-hmm. Are you familiar with Roland Fryer? Yes.

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I have not, but I would. It's really interesting. He's changed the way I view statistics. But in like a three-minute synopsis of it that goes to crime statistics, I can't think mathematically. And I think this applies to logic. I think visually. So if I have a metaphor, I can suddenly understand a mathematical concept. I just don't have that mind. So he broke it down. All right.

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After all that research that caused him to go into hiding. He's like, if you look at it through an economics perspective, let's say my job is to explain. Let's get to explain why he wanted like he went into hiding, conducted a study, a deep dive into police statistics to see racial bias in policing. Right.

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The findings did not match the story that people wanted to be true at Harvard, which caused him to literally go into police protection, like a one-year-old he had at the time, for days. Now, I don't know the deep dive beyond that, but that's the... Right.

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Right. Yes.

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And he said, I'm going to do it anyways.

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And then he came to the University of Austin and taught a class. It's on YouTube. And watching that class, to summarize it in a minute, look at it through economics. If my job is to approve or disprove loans. I've been able to get that down the best I can. I want to keep the default rate as low as possible, and I've achieved like a 0.5 default rate.

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Out of anyone who comes in my office, 0.5 after I've done my job defaults. All right, that's pretty good. Someone could come along later and analyze all that and say, wait a minute, you're turning down 60% black people, though, versus white people. His point is you can't look at it through that lens. You have to look at it through what is the goal? What is the result we're trying to achieve?

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So in policing, his study showed that 40% of stops approximately, if we use that as an example, 40% of stops recover contraband, which is pretty crazy, pretty good, across demographics, which means it's being done correctly. This changes how you view so much. It's kind of difficult to understand at first glance. Tell me if this makes sense.

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Okay.

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So it's 40% across whatever color the driver is. That means we've done correct. We've done it right. If it was 60% white drivers were recovering, we should be pulling over his arguments. We should be pulling over more white drivers. But that's assuming they're pulling people over upon race. Let's go back to the default rate.

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And so he had a very different political perspective. And when you're in those debates, the kids were like locked in and you can tell. Normally they're just making noise and then they're just quiet and they're ceased. They turn around and they're like watching it. There was an effect. Yeah.

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You're just coming in after the fact and analyzing the results and looking at it through a racial lens. I'm going to judge each case based on a merit, regardless of, because are you going to default or not? And whatever, I'm going to run my analysis, whatever that is. So anyone can come in after the fact and say, but there's always going to be a discrepancy.

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Okay, but you turned down more black people than white. Okay, so according to your logic, for every black driver I pull over, every Latino, I have to pull over a white driver now, which affects policing itself, as opposed to what's our goal? All the police are meeting that morning. Our job is to go out and recover contraband in this neighborhood and

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But for every black driver, you've got to pull over a white... It's like, that's not how it works, right? So that kind of... That boggled my mind when I first heard it. I was looking at it through the lens of what are we trying to achieve and seeing if that achievement is even, then there's nothing off about it.

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If the contraband being recovered is 40%, regardless of the rate of which you're pulling those cars over, the success rate is the same, which means you're doing it right. I'm trying to boil that down as simple as I can.

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Because they're pulling over, let's just say 60% of the drivers are black, which is bias. The question is, is it unwarranted bias? Because there's always going to be bias.

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70% of the people I turned down, let's say 70% of people that come in that office that were black got turned down. My rebuttal to that is that has nothing to do with it. My job is for the bank to get a 0.5 default rate, and that's the end result. Right. Can you prove that I'm doing anything wrong? What adjustment logically should I make?

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Right. That would be the only logical course of action in response to that.

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Equal yeah, essentially that would be a form of equity equality of outcome versus equality of opportunity, right?

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Yeah, I'm from North Carolina. Like near Asheville. Asheville. Yeah.

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Right.

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There's a meth capital right near where I live. And so I agree with you. The thing is, if we look at it, I agree if we look at it through a socioeconomic lens. So I had one of my professors from Emerson. He's like, I solved racism. This was in one of the videos. Oh, boy. I was like, sure, come over. Let's record. Hit me with it. So the solution is we're going to have a tax.

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So if you can trace your ancestry, then you don't have to pay taxes or some form of tax. Yeah. Okay, but what about the white person in Appalachia who is in an equally bad socioeconomic position, but they don't get the tax or the award, your solution? Well, their ancestors weren't oppressed.

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So I would be all for it if it was looking through a consistent, applied across all demographics equally, socioeconomically.

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Like, Anna Kasparian got sexually assaulted by a homeless person. So when she's walking down the street, she's probably going to recoil a bit, maybe. And if she sees someone, you know, there's a human psychological element. She's going to try probably not to do the, but it's just human nature. If you have a bad experience, then it's going to, it goes back to how we see the world. But you're right.

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Yeah, we'll never be able to solve racism.

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I think that's why Jordan Peterson tapped into this so much because the only solution is taking a personal responsibility.

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I encountered that every day at that school, because that's where I was, those are the kids that I was working with. They didn't have, majority of them did not have a parent. We would have open house and no one would come. They had no example, no money. And it's heartbreaking. So what do I do? All I can do is try and lead by example and maybe communicate.

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Because that's their best hope is trying and taking responsibility. Because no one else is going to do it at the end of the day. There is no alternative. Right. Except for having someone hopefully come along and provide that role model.

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The student who was, we're not supposed to have favorites, but was my favorite, he came from that kind of background, but he could draw like I've never seen. Hmm. There you go. Art. And so we got him a Krita drawing tablet, a digital drawing tablet, and he would just sit and draw all day. But here's the issue is, well, how do you, but he wouldn't go to any other classes.

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And we kind of, he liked, for some reason, he liked being in my classroom.

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so they would literally sit him in my room and he would stay there all day and then he would try and bring work from his other classes and get him to do the work from the other classes and but so through that pattern he and i you know we would talk about he got me into elden ring telling me like this video like he was he got me into the whole art style behind elden ring and dark souls

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but what how do you foster then the school kind of comes along and they're like yeah but he's not doing um academic drawings that are not relevant to the school and i i get that but how do you then take that talent for drawing and show him that this can be monetized man like you could be up like yeah let's get you maybe freelancing i worked as a freelance videographer it's a it's a hustle but it's a way you're not gonna make but it's better than nothing like trying to think outside the box and

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he ended up getting kicked out for a stupid, he didn't want to go on a field trip one day. And he was like, he made an offhand passing comment. He's like, I don't want to go on the field trip. Don't make me go on the field trip. I'll just bring a gun so I don't have to go to the field trip. And it's like, oh my God, like, And this goes back to the idea of telling the truth.

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What got me is they lied to him and told him because the teacher that he said it to, you're compelled to report it and everything, and we run it up the chain. I don't think he should have been kicked out. I know this kid, though. He's done. That's why they're there, because they say stupid stuff. Right. And we're the last line of defense. He was graduating in two months.

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I don't know where he is now.

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He would draw these Japanese samurai sword fighting just beautiful. And then I had the photo printer. We would. And but they were like, well, how's he going to make a living drawing Japanese photos? No, it's like get him to draw school like logos for multimedia projects for the culinary program. It does like this kid won't respond to that. And he didn't. And then he gets kicked out.

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I had a student. I mean, I had multiple students. The number one profession kids want to do now is be an influencer, YouTuber, blah, blah, blah. So I get the apprehension when a kid's like, I really want to do YouTube, make a YouTube channel. I want to do what Joe Rogan's doing, whatever. But the school was kind of... You can't make money on YouTube. That's so dumb.

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It's hard, but you're never going to – I got lucky, man, just because I was willing to put myself out there and make a fool of myself.

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That scares me.

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I've been playing with the idea of how we see the world through stories. I think that has a lot to do with it. Because people kind of labeled me as the critical thinking guy all of a sudden. So I really started to think about it. What is critical thinking? And the best I can articulate, it's thinking for yourself to contend with the stories that make up the world.

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So did they make adjustments?

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Did you have to do that?

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It's scary for me because this is literally how I make a living now. Yeah. I put food on the tables.

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I'm on X, but I'm not monetized. I've never made a dollar on X. I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I could look it up. I should probably, but... Yeah, I don't know how that works either. I hear rumors about don't post one-to-one to X because YouTube wants exclusivity, and if you're posting on X, your videos will perform less.

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I don't know how much truth there is, but I'm so kind of... There's probably something to that. And I'm so dependent on YouTube that I'm like, I'm not even going to do this.

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The Joe Rogan Experience.

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I heard about that.

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Did Kamala Harris on Call Her Daddy trend?

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Because a lot of stories are nonsense. Some are true. And there's usually a middle ground. And my background's in filmmaking. I kind of fell into teaching. and I've spent time in LA and made some movies and I teach at Emerson, a filmmaking course still, where I went to grad school and got my master's in Film is probably the wrong term now because it's all digital. It's like visual media art.

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Like less than a million, I think.

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Should have gotten a million.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I It would be in YouTube's best interest, though. They need you.

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Yeah, that's my point. Don't you sell ads? If I was YouTube, I'd be like, no, we want Joe Rogan's thing up here.

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On that specific one, I think they were worried about something else.

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Yeah. Live. Yeah.

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But I think you can study movies today like scholars are now studying the great thinkers. Movies will be the artifacts that people look back on for our time, you know, be in museums and things like that. Sure.

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You haven't asked.

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That is crazy.

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It's one of the best things. A lot of people are really grateful that you did that.

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Yeah. Well, that clip of you predicting the whole thing.

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It's a desert.

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Okay.

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That's so crazy. We're out by Concord, like near there. Yeah, I know where that is. So there's no fire hydrants. And so we bring our own water.

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But it's possible is my point.

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Do you think Gavin Newsom is going to – is this going to be the end of him or are people going to put up with it?

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When the fire chief says, if we'd had a thousand more trucks, it wouldn't have, quote, tamped this down. But then we see... an old man with a garden hose able to save his house, it's like, well, an individual was able to make a difference. Right. So then logically a difference could be made.

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Milk, orange juice. I saw one guy. So it's difficult to have those two narratives. They contradict each other.

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Yeah, I don't think people realize how toxic that stuff is.

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I didn't realize how often, you don't think about firefighters, but they're exposed to that. All the time. It's all volunteer work, but the guys that...

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you know in their 50s 60s and just like hacking all the time yeah and it's it's like a sacrifice they make knowingly it's crazy it's the gear is never because you can't just wash fire gear right you gotta have it specially washed and so there's like the kitchen and the firehouse right and you can't bring the no gear allowed in the kitchen because it's but you know you put it on go home you're supposed to shower every time but that doesn't happen so it's just crazy also they're fucking exhausted

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Wouldn't surprise me, man. Have you heard of the book Monkey Wrench Gang? No. Eco-terrorism, these like friends living out of a van, they go around and back, originally monkey wrenching was sabotaging for environmental reasons, big equipment to fight back. against that kind of thing.

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I had a friend back in high school, went to this boarding school, and he was really into it, and that's where I learned about this book. But it wouldn't surprise me if that kind of thinking carried over in someone. Because we saw a copycat, so there's definitely people out there that have a reason

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Well, to be fair, I didn't get fired for that technically. I think I got fired for posting another one similar to it. But I think they were looking kind of – that whole thing was so bizarre for everyone. It was so big. I think there was – at the school where I teach, there's kind of one – Echo, sorry, I got to get used to this. One person in control of everything that makes these decisions.

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LA, man, it's not my cup of tea, but it's tragic.

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Where do you get a fake fire truck?

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Seems like a million bucks.

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Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

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The reason is going to be, well, we're backed up. It takes so long. To get a fire truck even ordered, it takes about a year.

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Like when you were talking about it in that clip that goes around, it's like there's nothing they can do. Exactly. It's the right wind.

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So is there any preparation that could have?

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I saw a clip of that. It was surreal.

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Well, this department with Elon, you can just imagine what Elon could do with the fire truck problem. Yeah. But he can't do everything.

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Yeah.

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A lot of it is determined by whether they like you. And Hollywood runs off the blacklisting idea. Oh, yeah. If you go against your union, that's how unions have power. Yes. If you cross the picket line, you're going to be blacklisted. And you'd be ostracized, and that has real consequences in L.A. Because people don't realize what... I always describe it when I'm teaching that class on filmmaking.

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Hollywood is the very definition of a rigged game.

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The technology, I think, is going to revolutionize. We're on the precipice of this. We were talking about Heath Ledger earlier. What happened to those kind of independent movies that I remember being in high school before going into film school and watching those Monsters Ball, Candy, these small Heath Ledger movies. independent movies that made you feel like they were just made for you.

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They weren't like Marvel or Disney, right? And we don't see those anymore because everything's changing in the industry for multiple reasons. The strikes had a lot to do with it. I think it's, It's this strange paradox where you have more of an ability to reach an audience than ever before, but there's fewer writing positions, movies being made.

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There's this hiring shortage, but camera's more accessible than ever. You were talking about the potential for someone to come along. I mean, I think it's only a matter of time until it does happen. The Daily Wire is trying kind of with Pendragon Cycle. What's that? They were doing an Arthurian legend, their attempted Game of Thrones, which would be, if it were to land, could be...

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massive it could i in my theory is it could be the tipping point because it's going non my understanding is this non-union you have angel studios and they're the kind of trying to compete but we've never had an alternative to the union model the traditional production model which drives that production cost because there's nothing stopping you from getting a camera going out there and doing it except for the rigged game which says well we're going to block you we won't distribute your movie there's all these different parameters you're not sag sanction blah blah blah blah

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If Daily Wire could land the Pendragon Cycle and it were to be a solid enough story on the equivalence of Game of Thrones, it could change so much. But there's the recent Brett Cooper stuff that's going on. It's just so much Brett Cooper leaving the Daily Wire.

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She's no longer at the Daily Wire. The comments section. You know Brett Cooper. She created the comments section at the Daily Wire. The comment section, is that what it's called? The comments section. Are you aware of this, Jamie?

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Yeah, I'll break it down.

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She developed, they hired her. That's her? Yeah, we want you to start this YouTube channel for Gen Z. We want it to feel like you're a streamer.

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No one knows exactly. There's speculation because the girl who took the place was her best, her maid of honor in her wedding, like best friend was the producer of the show. It'd be like Jamie taking your place, except obviously not, you know, but that's what's happened now. And it's nosedived. It's pulling like it used to pull like half a million views per video. It's pulling 40,000 now.

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The transformation in acting is remarkable.

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And there was this theory that they had trained Reagan with... They hired an acting coach because her mannerisms were the exact same, hand movements, everything. We were talking about nonverbal communication, the importance of that. And it was eerie... She has started a YouTube channel that's already amassed half a million. She hasn't posted any videos. So there's a lot of loyalists to her.

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But she grew this channel to over four million people in the last three years, as you were just hearing. And she starred in the pin dragon cycle. She used to act.

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We don't know. There's speculation that she... It exploded the channel. So it's likely, if we're applying critical thinking to this, it's more than likely that she approached Jeremy Boring at Daily Wire. He's like, look, guys, I'd like to be paid more than what I'm making because I'm pulling more views than anybody at the Daily Wire. Possibly. She was living on this farm with a commute.

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Yeah.

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She was a little frustrated with that. Maybe it's... She wanted to... There's speculation she wanted to run her show kind of from her house. And there were... But no one knows exactly. There's NDAs and everything.

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True, true. But Jeremy Boring's response would be, yeah, but we throw the Daily Wire's advertising money behind these people who spend a lot in advertising. We lose a lot of money before we make any money.

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Hollywood accounting.

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So that's very likely a possibility.

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Pre-do distribution.

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He's like, yeah, you don't own this, bitch. And there's probably a non-compete clause. That's just why she hasn't posted anything yet. Crazy. It's, yeah.

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Yeah, it became internalized. And now we're in this phase now where I think the best actors are doing both. The external, like Heath Ledger is my favorite actor of all time and had a huge impact on me. That's why I went into filmmaking. And he, think about his externality in The Joker and all his roles. He had this...

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I mean, you got like someone like Jordan Peterson who did partner with the same company. And maybe that allows him to do more traveling over what they do, like the, you know, Jerusalem. Right.

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People were using that in context of this thing, this kind of.

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But to bring it – you see how that now is going to – they've already filmed Pendragon Cycle, this whole thing, this Arthurian. So it's probably going to impact.

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It's all about the story.

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I think the key to acting is about what is not said, what's unspoken, and it ties into everything about critical thinking. It's the best metaphor I ever got from a directing professor. He drew on the board. Mm-hmm. What really sets an actor apart is everything else. What's not said, what they do with the words, the intention behind the words. The words are just floating on the surface.

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Yeah. The logic of story, trying to connect all these dots and everything, but I think there is an inherent... There are patterns, like I was talking about mathematics, how I can't think about... I need a visual... I think when you're writing a movie, when it clicks into place, you can feel it. And they call it cracking the story.

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And they hire writers to crack the story, almost like it's a math problem. So to me, that indicates that there's this fabric. This is how I think about it. There's this fabric of reality that stories tap into. that you're trying to connect to so you feel it when it clicks in.

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And you're almost, when it is, when it does click and you have that hook, you're like, this is the reason to make why this movie is interesting.

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Then you're almost making it for the sake of the story, not the audience. But the audience will come as a consequence. Yeah. As opposed to today where people think they can make movies for the audience like Disney. But they're discarding the very fabric of the reality of these stories and thinking we can change Snow White. Right. And then that screws them up.

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Yeah, because you can take the same story and tell it different ways. Logically, there's one ideal way. You're never going to quite get there. Right. Because I was watching Beautiful Mind on the airplane, which is, I think, my favorite movie. I'm trying to think of one that's better.

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Yeah.

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That's my point. Yeah. Yeah. And then Dunkirk. All right. So this blew my mind. So the golden ratio can be found in music, movies, everything. Then someone showed me on your arm. This is the golden ratio. Wait, 1 to 1.6. Then from here, 1 to 1.6. In your hand, 1 to 1.6. Your finger, 1.6. to the knuckle, 1 to 1.6.

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Now, if you break down what Nolan did in Dunkirk, this is probably getting too nerdy and everything. He took three different storylines, did what he does with the shepherd tone, and air, land, and sea. Land, the story takes place over a week. Air, an hour. Sea, a day.

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and then he does with what he does with the shepherd tone which is in batman and all of his movies it's an ascending tone like a barbershop spiral that is infinite where you it's the first sound is like crescendo and then it fades out and the middle one is consistent and the top one is going down and it sounds to the human ear infinite he took that which he's used in the batmobile the batman's bike the music he's used in all the prestige in most of his movies

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If you listen to Dunkirk, you hear this sound, and it's just increasing tension, and you don't even notice it almost. It's because it never reaches a crescendo, so you feel like something's off, but you never quite get there.

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He then takes that and structures the frickin' story as a shepherd tone to the point where at the very end, and you are in that frickin'... the golden ratio, so this is the meat of the movie, and that final...

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yeah i think you're writing for yourself you should you should treat yourself like that's what i do with my youtube stuff it's like you don't try and do it for annoying because you do it for the thing you make the thing the best thing it can yeah which is what you want to see that's how you judge how do you judge it how do you know if it's good or not right yeah it's because what i would want to say i'm gonna try and make it as good as what i would want to see right you know yeah

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Yeah, I heard you talking to Tarantino about that.

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Yeah.

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Have you seen Taylor Sheridan's new show, Landmen?

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It takes a bit to get into it, but he's doing something that no one else is doing.

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You think?

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Yeah, no, I know she is. We looked at it. From a producer's perspective, yeah, you're not going to hire a freaking 18. You're going to hire someone over 18 for labor laws, for sure. Well, how about to hire someone that's 18?

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Yeah.

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They're just the tools that we're trying to use to communicate the elusive intangible, the subtext, everything that's And the best we can do are bumbling cells or formulate with these tools. So to treat words as the end-all be-all is so silly. You know, like people say the wrong thing now and you get politically incorrect. Papa John's CEO. Right. Right. With no context has gone up.

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Billy Bob's hilarious, though.

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He has some great rants about climate change and oil.

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Reading Elon's biography on the airplane, do you think he could get the solution with the battery walls and the battery roof? Could that work?

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But it's a larger issue. But it's just fascinating how that correlates beyond just film to... Because it's true that most communication is nonverbal. So the more time you spend studying, working with actors, studying movies, you start getting really tuned into body language. It has great utility. So it's pretty interesting.

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I never heard of that.

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I've got a hybrid RAV4. I love it.

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And Billy Bob goes on a good rant about the whales.

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Yeah.

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How are they going to rebuild if it's, like, Yeah, there's nothing we can do if this happens again.

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I don't see the mayor making it through.

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In North Carolina, in the middle of Appalachia, you have people with cheaper homes than anywhere in L.A. They're not getting money back.

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Yeah, that's crazy.

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I was just down there over the holidays and saw my brother and I, we invested in a little, the only thing I've ever invested in, like that little Airbnb, like super cheap and it's just gone.

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I wouldn't doubt that.

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Long term, I think China poses the greatest potential threat still. You had a CIA ex-CIA guy on who was talking about the 21-year plan for China that blew my mind. Because when I was in graduate school, it was like 80% of the other students were from China. Yeah. No one believes that. There was multiple classes where I went in.

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I was the only non-Chinese, not just American student, non-Chinese student. There'd be 15 people in the class. When I showed my thesis film, I went in and the whole auditorium was Chinese and every other film that played that night was in Chinese.

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so you're like and i tried to do a documentary on it and then i was kind of there were constant people didn't like that all i was doing was asking questions like how'd you end up coming straight from for this and it's a societal there's a you know what's the word the parents want to do it there's a social aspect it's like it's viewed as a something that's you want to do and then there was the one child policy for a long time so they can afford to do it but it's it's crazy

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And it was so nuts. I think they genuinely... We don't know what to do because if we fire him, our name might get out there, which is their primary concern, I think.

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Yeah. I had been playing with YouTube as a medium since discovering Jordan Peterson in 2017. Because I remember, maybe it was even earlier than that, because I arrived at graduate school in 2016, Boston, Emerson, and all hell breaks loose, Trump gets elected, and there seemed to be a huge pushback. And I had never thought about these things before. And then being a grad student and seeing...

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And there's a lot of... Peterson and you talked about this a lot, the postmodernism, the effect of postmodernism, the fact that there's an infinite variety of interpretations to stories. But...

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, you said at the beginning of this conversation, too, you were talking about the potential for both sides. And we are in a strange time as well where we're seeing... things coming from both sides that are very strange. This rethinking of Winston Churchill and everything, there's just... What's the rethinking of Winston Churchill?

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When Tucker Carlson had on, I'm forgetting the name of the historian, doesn't matter.

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Darryl Cooper, yeah. I think people ask me sometimes after all this video stuff, they're like, what would you recommend reading and studying for critical thinking? And I think Winston Churchill is the ultimate example of critical thinking. Critical thinking is all about thinking for yourself for the long term when everyone around you is telling you that you're wrong.

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When the stakes are at their highest is what he was dealing with. And it's such a fascinating time, World War II. I just think there's so much. You could just study that conflict and gain so much insight.

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8569.965

I haven't heard that one.

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I haven't heard that. It wouldn't surprise me. He did not like Stalin. Because with Roosevelt, they got buddy-buddy. My whole thesis was on the untold story of Churchill's role with Harvard. Harvard's role, the president of Harvard meeting with Churchill secretly when the blitz was going on and Roosevelt was up for re-election, couldn't travel over there to meet with him.

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And this echoes to today, exactly what we were talking about. 98% of the public were against involvement in World War II. That's why they called it the European conflict. It's not our fight. And he knew it was inevitable. And he couldn't be seen talking to Churchill in that way because they were... Publicly, they were like, nope, lend-lease program. We're not assisting.

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If you watch Darkest Hour, they do a good job of showing the strangers. They're like, we can send horses to pull the weapons across the border, but we can't be seen. So he sent the president of Harvard, of all places. This is where the Secret Scholar Society came from. It's this story, and I found it in the Harvard archive when I was researching for my thesis film.

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Yeah. And I was blown away. I was like, how is no one? And it taps into Oppenheimer. So James B. Conant, that guy on the left, that's the president of Harvard. This is afterwards. Churchill comes for an honorary degree after everything's won and everything. Conant on the left flies over there, meets with him. They make a secret deal. They have all this research. They're ready to do radar.

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It's developed, but they can't build it. They're cut off from the world. All of Europe has fallen except England. They stand alone, their darkest hour, and he is desperate. He's just trying to hold out until America will join. Imagine being in that position. Everyone around you is saying, we have got to surrender. We have got to negotiate.

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And he's like, no, only when the last of us are choking in their own blood. He's like, we have to fight to the death. That's not logical. but it's what saved them. When does illogical behavior save you? That's something that connects to the very fabric of reality that goes beyond what we can articulate. It connects to spirituality. When does living as though God existed save them, in a way?

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What I witnessed at school, protests claiming Emerson was racist, which is one of the most far left schools I've ever seen. Yeah, it's super far left. Can you provide any evidence of that?

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So he negotiates with Conant, and they bring that tech back, develop a secret lab at Harvard to build it all. That's where Sonar came from, Napalm. There was a special, the Harvard Candle, named after Harvard. It's a remarkable story. It's so deep, I could talk forever.

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So silly.

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That's the perfect example of when you see a story, you believe it's true. If you believe he's a Nazi, you're going to see him do a silly hand gesture and see that as that. Well, he's saying my heart goes out to you.

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I'm waving to the crowd.

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Whatever.

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That's crazy.

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It's right around that time.

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Interesting.

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Well, we were just getting into World War II, so we didn't have the views of Hitler embodied in us.

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Now you're not allowed to do that anymore. I didn't know that.

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You can go look at anybody and find that.

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Okay. How crazy is that? That's crazy.

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Oh, I didn't make that connection. I was like, why?

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I didn't think about that.

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He's probably like, what the?

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Yes. The power of story.

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Yeah.

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It'd make a great movie. Let's go.

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It'd make a great movie. Yeah. It's...

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Because I vividly remember the day of the election because I was renting a house with three roommates. And I was watching the election. I remember just being like, guys, I think Trump might win this. It's not even worth watching. And they were walking around.

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It's surreal. I don't know. I don't think about it.

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9106.918

Right. And you freeze, too. It's like Heath Ledger acting. You can't. If you think about it, oh, 100,000 people might see what I'm going to see. Then you just can't talk. That's probably why Christopher Nolan doesn't have a phone.

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Have you reached out to him?

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Rarely.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He's got this mathematical mind. And he approaches story in that way.

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Yeah.

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I wish. Yeah, that's crazy.

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Yeah, I heard you talking to Tarantino or somebody about the lost... Eyes Wide Shut. Yeah, it was Roger Avery.

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Yeah.

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time goes by i'm like guys like and then they started to what so no one saw that coming and i my big takeaway was how could so many experts get something so wrong and that caused me to question my presuppositions basically my view of the world and then that opens your mind to someone like jordan peterson and all these other great thinkers intellectual dark web blah blah blah you know but that it's suddenly it's so difficult to articulate what that does

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That's what I was talking about. There's different ways to tell that same story. You can feel it when it kind of clicks in, which is right. The audience doesn't lie.

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That elusive, intangible thing that can't be bought, can't be replicated. Everyone's after it. Yeah. No one can articulate it. Yeah. What makes a good actor? Why was Heath Ledger a good actor? Right. And that's another great example of why those boats are superfluous to everything else. Mm-hmm.

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Mathematically, I shouldn't even say that word, though, because it's just patterns. He's still using patterns. Mathematics is just a language that allows us to articulate a form of those patterns.

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Secret Scholar Society is the YouTube channel.

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There was a... Right before the viral video, I was working on a short film. There's a little experimental... I shouldn't call it a short film. It was me with a camera... And that music teacher in like a month, we threw this thing together. It's not a movie.

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To someone like me an average of you are like a genuine lover of this space. Mm-hmm so it's surreal to be here and because like it suddenly causes you to if you feel like everyone's moving in slow motion all of a sudden you feel like you're waking up and it doesn't it's I don't want to talk about the matrix because it's so It's such a strange.

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So people love to, cause like Warren's last movie is like, it's like, dude, it's not, that's not, don't hold that to the standard of like the other ones you can hold to a standard of a movie. But that one was just an experimental, like be me by myself. Yeah. I would love to keep doing that.

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Right now it's about putting food on the table and fighting for the algorithm, keeping the algorithm on my side. Right, because you're unemployed. Right. And there's potential to teach, but I'm making more doing what I'm doing.

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Yeah, the art of critical thinking. I was kind of thinking like Sherlock Holmes was my, as a kid, my favorite fictional character. And I think it appealed, he was really the first kind of superhero serial monthly episodes in Strand Magazine. Sure. And he has no superpowers, just his mind, which makes us feel like I could do that if I could just see the world like him.

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He has nothing I don't have technically. And he does it, we're presented the same information. It's just what he does with that information. It makes you feel like you have a potential for that power within you. You just got to know how to unlock it. So that's kind of playing with like the art of, that's why the slogan on the channel is the art of critical thinking.

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It was, his was the science of deduction, but.

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Hopefully, hopefully you can sometimes get there.

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It's gotten all this momentum in a different but it's what it felt like it felt like you were suddenly like how what this is so much more interesting and complicated than I thought and there's no going back and

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Especially students.

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Yeah. Reading Elon's books, like on the airplane, he had that algorithm. It's essentially, if there's a regulation, if there's a rule, figure out who's requiring that rule, question it. And I forget the other ones, but it's making it all more efficient. It all stems from just questioning everything.

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Mm-hmm.

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If he's going to apply that to the most inefficient... I bet he will, because it says, right, he would go around preaching this algorithm, and he genuinely believed it, and it makes logical sense. There's a logical flow to him in his decision-making that's laid out in that biography.

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Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what he does with education.

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#2261 - Warren Smith

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We need... Yeah. That's one thing I miss. I do miss teaching. I miss being in the classroom like that with those kids.

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A million.

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I think 3,000 have been arrested.

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3,000 arrested? No.

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Right, it's like what that encompasses is too broad, right? Is that what it is?

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There's a video of a guy handing down a sentence to a man who put something up on Facebook. You know, I think bad behavior should be it should be rightfully everyone in the community that agrees it's bad behavior. They should shun that person. They should not want to shun them, not want to connect with them, not engage with them.

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I'm not aware of him. I know the name, but I don't, I'm not aware of his history. Well, he,

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Right? If you give a cop an incentive to arrest people, he's going to find reasons to arrest people. Yeah. Right. And if you have a person that is getting social credit, you're getting notoriety, adulation from... schooling these religious people from mocking what you think are ridiculous ideas that are superstitious. It becomes a part of yourself, right? It becomes a part of your identity.

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Did he say it online or did he say it in a statement somewhere?

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It sucks that there's idiots that will agree with those kind of things.

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Yeah, I agree.

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Is Peterson aware of the things that he said? I'd be surprised if you... Do you have contact with Jordan?

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But is there an increase in violence?

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We should find out what Tommy Robinson's quote actually was before we go on so we don't get in trouble.

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Just Google that exact what he said.

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Tweets from Cyprus viewed 50 million times a day. Boy, he's got a face you fucking hate, doesn't he? He's got a face from Peaky Blinders. Yeah, by all of the Peaky Blinders. He looks like that, right? So what do we got here? What did he say?

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But what does he say?

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Let me see.

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Look for it so you can find it. It says, claim far-right protesters have been stabbed by Muslims in Stoke in a post that received 2.7 million views. Police said that two men had been hit by an object, but no stabbings had been reported.

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Yeah, that's not the same one.

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And is this people that come over illegally as well as people that migrate legally? Is it all the same? Is it lumped in together?

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I think the fear that people have is people that are coming here or coming to your country or going wherever illegally and altering the culture.

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Not assimilating, not adopting the English language, not adopting the culture.

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No worries. So you think that that kind of talk should be illegal? Yeah.

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But him saying that, even if he's completely wrong in saying those things.

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And what we should do is, I mean, the age-old anecdote is you combat bad speech with good speech. You combat bad speech with better speech. You have those people debate people that can lay things out in a way that makes a very compelling argument that they're incorrect. And then people could watch. I remember when I was a kid, my high school had a debate between Barney Frank,

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who is uh... i don't remember i don't think it was a congressman at the time i don't know massachusetts but he was like i think is the first openly gay politician in the country and he was debating a guy from the moral majority who is this uh... right wing group at the time so this is like the nineteen eighties and i was in high school and the guy had like an american flag

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And then I think your unwillingness to engage in the mystery of all this, it speaks to that. I think that's the origin of it. I think it becomes a competition with people that their ideas are correct. And that these ideas that they've held for a long time, they want to defend those ideas instead of going, huh. I am of the opinion that I am not my ideas.

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pin on his lapel and you know he spoke and said all of his stuff and then Barney Frank kind of annihilated him and it was interesting for me it was fascinating to watch these two and no one booed or hissed or pulled fire alarms they let this one guy speak his mind and then they let this other guy speak his mind and we got a sense of who was correct and in my eyes at the time Barney Frank was correct and you know I was probably 15 years old

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I was like, wow, this is kind of cool. It was interesting to see this person just with his view of the world make the other person's view of the world look foolish and make his very sort of rigid definitions of what should and should not be legal look preposterous.

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You know, it depends. Like if someone's known for a very specific stance that they take on something that I don't agree with, yeah, I will look into that. And I will try to look at it from their perspective as well. I'll try to find out how did this person come to this conclusion? Why do they believe this? What is the best way to approach this?

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How do I do this civilly so I get the most out of them? I want them to feel comfortable while they're explaining this. I don't want them to feel pressured and combative. You know, when... People are involved in arguments and combative situations that get very tense, and it's very difficult that it becomes you against them. I try to get as far away from that sort of sensibility as possible.

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I just want to just tell me what you think, and I'll try to steel man it. I'll try to... figure it out and then I'll say what I think. And I have to know where they stand first. I have to really understand why they come to that conclusion. I've had some disagreements with people about some pretty important issues and that you gotta let that person

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express themselves you got to figure out but the beautiful thing about a podcast as opposed to almost any other form of media is that no one is telling us what to do it's just you and me having this conversation we only met for like 10 minutes before we sat down and then we talked for three fucking hours which is crazy how long we've been going for three hours now yeah

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Yeah, so it's an interesting way to see how a person views the world.

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And I think it's a really important thing to say because I think more people should try this out. Maybe it's not for you, but it's my personal philosophy. I am not married to my ideas. They're just ideas. And they come in my head and they go. And a lot of times while I'm saying them, I do it on the podcast all the time. I go, wait a minute, that doesn't make sense because of this.

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Well, first of all, we have lots of podcasts and lots of hosts. It's just this one's the most popular for some strange reason. But that's not my fault. I mean, I can't alter it because it's too popular. That's ridiculous. Like, one of the reasons why it's popular is I talk to... a bunch of different people about a bunch of different things.

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And some people I am just eternally curious and I have no understanding of it at all and I want it laid out to me. And then other things I have very strong opinions about and I want to know why a person thinks differently or how they came to their conclusions or maybe there's a person that I really admire, I want to understand their mindset.

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Maybe it's someone who's got some very fascinating esoteric information and I want to learn it. The podcast is entirely based on what I'm interested in. So that's how I do it. And there's a lot of podcasts that are experts in a very particular field and they talk only about that very particular thing. The thing about that is you're not going to get as many people.

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They'll listen to it, but you'll get millions of people listening to this conversation between you and me. So the benefit of that is then this ignites someone's curiosity. And if we only do a cursory examination of whatever the subject is, if I'm really not qualified to really delve into it, now this person is excited about it and they can expand. Check out your podcast, check out other podcasts.

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It's good for the greater ecosystem of podcasts and just of general discourse.

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You should do whatever you feel like doing. And I think that's the best message that I can give to people. You should live your life in the way that you want to live your life. And if you are inspired and motivated and if something changes in the way you view the world based on a conversation that some people have on a podcast, then that's good. That's good.

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I don't want to be that buffoon that's connected to the first shit that comes out of my mouth. And I think that happens with a lot of people. I also think the idea that there's no God, that there's nothing. I think the universe might be God. And I don't think it was born. I think it's probably always been here.

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As long as it's beneficial to you, it's good. And we should all sort of try to acquire these conversations and experiences with people because it elevates our own understanding of ourselves and how we interact with each other.

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If they do that, it's not your fault. Like that's their path for whatever reason. And I don't know. I don't know why anybody chooses what they choose. I don't know how you think. I don't know what things smell like to you. I'm just guessing. I'm just guessing that your view of the world is similar to my view of the world. And that's just a gas. And it can't be.

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Because so many people like art that I think is dog shit. So many people listen to music that I can't stand. Obviously, we're getting different things out of this world. Obviously. And I don't mind that. I think that's a good thing. I think it's a good thing that there's a lot of stuff that I don't like. There's a lot of people that don't like me. Great. Good.

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And the more popular you get, the greater surface area of people that hate you will be.

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You're either Antifa or you're a proud boy. Yeah, we're nuts. We're nuts, but we're sorting through it. Listen, man, thank you very much for being here.

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It was a lot of fun. Tell people how they can find your stuff, website, all that stuff.

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I don't think any of us should have a horse in the race. Thank you very much. I appreciate you. Bye, everybody.

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And I think Sir Roger Penrose's latest work, he seems to think that the Big Bang is just one of a series of these events. I don't want to paraphrase because I know I'll fuck it up, but... His position is not that that was the beginning. This is probably a series of these things that have gone on in eternity.

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And that the infinite nature of the universe is probably something that even mathematically, even if you get the most genius people, they're probably going to struggle to understand something that has no boundaries. We have biological limitations. We are born and we die. And I think we try to impose those upon things.

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And there's some things you can, like, oh, we know this tree grew 2,000 years ago. How crazy. Oh, we know this planet formed 4 billion years ago. But there's some things we really just don't have. the capacity to really put it into perspective. We don't know. There's just too much we don't know.

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They're starting to think now that the universe is quite a bit older than they thought it was before because of the observations of these galaxies by the James Webb Telescope. So now there's certain people that are these...

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Than what we're currently experiencing.

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Oh, and try to solve it?

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I'm glad there's a word for it, because I've just been saying the universe is God.

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Do you think we have an egocentric perspective of consciousness that it only applies to things that move and things that can express themselves? There's a reason why I think people don't want to buy houses where people were murdered. Right because because they think the consciousness is still like link. Yeah, like there's something there.

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There's something there There's a memory in that house of a horrible thing like if you bought a house from a horrible person when you kind of like I almost bought a building that was run by a cult And I knew it was run by a cult because my friend told me about it. I was building a comedy club, and my friend Ron White is a hilarious comedian. He told me about this great theater that was for sale.

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I should buy that theater. And so I go, okay. And I look into it. Yeah, it used to be owned by a cult. Oh, great. I go sign all these paperwork and then my friend Adam calls me up and goes, hey, did you watch the documentary on that cult? I'm like, oh God, there's a documentary.

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And in watching the documentary, it was so sad to me to watch these people that for decades were deceived and led by this person. And at the end of it, they're weeping and crying. They've lost their life. Their life, like 20 plus years of their life have been dedicated to this charlatan who was, he was a hypnotist and a gay porn star. Hmm.

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who was teaching yoga in West Hollywood and convinced all these people to do this. I had to get out of that building. I'm like, there's no way. There's not enough sage in the world that I can get rid of all the demons.

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I felt like the comedy store in Hollywood used to be Ciro's Nightclub, which was Bugsy Siegel's nightclub. And a bunch of people were murdered there. Like provable. Definitely. And it kind of feels like it there.

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Oh, I think both. I think both things. But I think there's places that do have – like my stepfather went to Gettysburg. He's not a –

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religious person and he's not woo-woo he's a very intelligent hard-line person who believes in facts and it was like there's something there he goes the sadness it's like yeah feel it the death of all those people in this place like it stained the place but my point is not that my point is that Perhaps everything has some sort of a consciousness.

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We just have this egocentric perspective of what consciousness means. Because to living things, it has ego, it has biological needs, human reward systems. They're all in play. Social structures and the value of status. We're moving around through this...

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grid of other beings and we call that consciousness because that is our experience with it but maybe this table has consciousness maybe cloth has consciousness maybe rocks have consciousness they just don't have an ability to express themselves and they don't have this language and culture and all this other stuff that we connect to consciousness but that it is an integral part of everything in the universe and if the universe is God the universe creating all these things

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It is essentially a creation machine, right? It creates stars. It creates galaxies. It creates supernovas. It creates carbon-based life. All these different things that happen are all created by this process. It's just not a guy in the sky in a robe. And I think the dogmatic... perspective that a lot of religious zealots put to these ancient texts.

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Look, we don't trust what people in the 1950s thought about dentistry. Why the fuck do we trust people from 2,000 years ago what they thought about God? It's kind of a crazy thing because either one of two things is either true.

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Either this is God's word and God is a psychopath or this is the hand of human beings that is writing down an oral tradition of over a thousand years and trying to put in perspective what steps that we have to apply to our civilization in order to move towards a more loving and prosperous place, which is what God wants. Yeah.

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But I think all those things about evil, like I think maybe the evil is what we need to see to respond to become better. And maybe this is this grand evolutionary process that's going on with the human spirit and the human psyche.

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If you look at trends, like if you study Pinker's work, if you go back to any time in recorded history versus today, today is less violent, less discriminatory, less racist, more open to equal rights amongst the sexes and genders and sexual orientation. We're way better now than we were – Alan Turing from the Turing test, he got arrested for being gay. They put him on hormone blockers.

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He wound up killing himself because it was illegal to be gay. The man who invented the ability, he came up with the concept of the ability to detect whether or not artificial intelligence is real. That guy was tortured by human philosophy and human perspective.

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Than to win the lottery when you're 10.

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Maybe this process of natural selection and of constant improvement and what we call evolution maybe is the only way.

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You know, I mean, they've done some wild shit with animals, unfortunately. Yeah.

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It's 98%? Yeah. Wow. It's 99% of chickens.

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Factory farming. We talked about this yesterday. They have ag-gag laws. A couple days ago with Russell Crowe, rather. Ag-gag laws prevent people from detailing the horrific conditions which these animals live in. If you film it, if you're a worker there and you're like, this is horrific. I'm going to film this and out this place. You'll go to jail. Yeah. Which is insane. It should be a crime.

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It should be like animal cruelty. Like Russell Crowe was in here the other day and he keeps 200 head of cattle. He has a ranch in the bush in Australia. And the way he described the way he takes care of these animals, the way, you know, they... Gently move them into new pastures.

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It's not just because it tastes better.

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I should have, but he was going on a rant. I didn't want to interrupt. I wanted to know if they did the, you know, no country for old men bolt to the head.

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Well, one day the lights are going to go out anyway. This is part of the thing. They don't live very long on their own. They're kind of like dogs. I don't know what a cow's maximum age is. What's the maximum age of a cow? Let's guess. I'm going to say 18. What do you think? Because that's like a golden retriever if you give them all the right food, apparently.

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Yeah, but wild cows, where are they? So wild cows are an interesting thing because domestic cattle is a completely different strain of cattle. And when we let them go wild, they become what we call scrub bulls. And scrub bulls are the most dangerous animal you can encounter in the Australian bush. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, Asian buffaloes are dangerous, but scrub bulls will fuck you up.

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They're like those bulls that people ride, except they're wild. So they're completely feral, and they're there to breed and to protect their cows and anything that comes in. I've heard countless stories of men camping in the bush getting gored by scrub bulls. They're crazy looking, too. They develop all these weird colors, and they look really cool.

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They kind of like, you know how pigs, they go through a metamorphosis when they go feral? Do you know that process? It's really quick. It's like six weeks. Once a pig is feral for six weeks and just running wild in the woods, they start changing. Their snout extends. Their tusks grow. Their hair gets thicker. They become boars. They become what we think of as a classic wild boar.

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And those are the same species of animal, which is very bizarre.

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Well, they kill them quicker too because they plump them up fast with antibiotics and they get them fat. Just more chronically obese basically. Totally ill. And that's the best stuff. The best stuff is the super ill cow. What does it say? 15 to 20 years. Oh, there you go. There you go. So the dairy industry really allows cows to live past five.

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They're sent to slaughter soon after production level drops. Yikes.

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Do you think it's better to use a poison that you inject into their veins than a bolt to the brain?

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I don't think there's any difference. The bolt to the brain is instantaneous. Yeah. Yeah. Our concern is blood. Yeah. Our concern is seeing trauma. And so we're not seeing it. It's all internal. Yeah. You know, poison kills you in a horrible way. I mean, probably the last moments are probably deeply painful and very confusing. Well, your body's shutting down and you're dying.

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Look, I don't want to shoot my pet. I don't want to see your pet shot. I mean. God, imagine seeing Carl get shot. That'd be horrific. But there's no, I mean, there's no difference between Carl getting an injection that kills him either. It's just our own sensibilities. It's an ending of life and the most effective, quickest way that causes the least amount of pain should be what we strive for.

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If it's Hitler and my dog, Hitler's going for a swim. You know?

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100%.

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All right, it's not Hitler.

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If it's a default person, you don't know who this is. Okay, well then it becomes a problem. Yeah. Yeah, then I mean, I want that person to live too.

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And that one person starts disappointing you, lies to you, and you're like, I should have fucked up those dogs a lot.

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It was just you and this dude, and you have a bond with that guy forever. You killed your dog for him.

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Yeah, you'd probably shoot yourself. You watch him whimper on the ground in pain, you'd probably shoot yourself.

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Well, I think that's just them talking. You don't think they're serious?

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There's no way you believe that. There's no way. You know what infinite golden retrievers look like? That's fucking crazy.

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And occasionally I'll eat something else. I'll have spaghetti or a sandwich every now and then. But for the most part, I eat mostly meat.

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I think it's not a zero-sum game. I don't think it's morally reprehensible to eat meat, but I do know that an animal has to die. There was a few years back in 2012 that I decided that I was either going to become a vegetarian or I was going to become a hunter. And so I'd watched too many of these PETA documentaries. I'd seen too many things about factory farming. I was like, this is disgusting.

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It would freak me out. I was like, okay, I either have to come to grips with what it means to kill an animal and eat it. And if I can't handle that, if I don't like that, then I'll just become a vegetarian. I tried being a vegetarian for a brief amount of time in my life when I was like – I guess I was 18 when I was fighting. I was having a really hard time because I was still growing.

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I was having a really hard time making a lower weight class that I was competing in. And there was other people in my team that were competing in the higher weight class. And it was a real problem. So I tried being a vegetarian for a while. I don't think I did it the best way. I don't think I was really intelligent about it. Again, I was 18. And this was like 1985, right? Somewhere around there?

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Different vegetarian world. No one knew shit. So I was just eating salads, and I felt terrible. I felt terrible. And then I had a conversation with my instructor, and he was just like, you're just getting bigger. You need to move up. And I started eating meat immediately. I gained 10 pounds in like three weeks. I felt like a completely different human being. I felt like I had all this energy.

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I was just – I think I was malnourished before, and I was just going on drive. Yeah. But I do think that there are very different body types, and there's very different requirements that certain people have when it comes to protein. I think animal protein is the most dense, most nutrient-packed protein and food that's available for human beings.

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How's it going, Jeff? Nice to meet you.

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And I think it probably has something to do why we became human beings in the first place. But I think of hunting as I'm dipping my toe into the natural world, and I'm going out into the wild where these things live. They're not in a cage. What are you hunting with?

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It's good to be here. So I got the request to be on when it said multiverse and new atheism. I'm like, what a combination that is. Let's talk.

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I use a bow. When I first started, I started using a rifle. I shot that mule deer that sits on the table. That was the first deer that I ever shot. That was in 2012. I'll look this way. And I decided when I was eating that mule deer, it's all on film. We did it for a television show called Meat Eater. My friend Steven Rinella hosts.

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And when I was eating that deer by the fire, I was like, this is what I'm doing forever. I'm doing this. It ignited parts of my DNA. It gave me an understanding of the cycle of life instantaneously. in a way that was like fishing does that a little bit, but this is like that times a thousand, which is why people don't have a problem with you showing dead fish on your Instagram.

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If you hold like a dead bass, look at the bass I caught. Everybody's like, good job. Nice fish. You're going to eat that fish. You hold up a dead deer. People kind of freak out.

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Hold up a dead bear, people go fucking crazy.

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Well, I don't think we even have to compare these things. We just talk about the merits of...

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Yeah, hunting with guns is absolutely the most effective way. In order for you to be equally effective hunting with a bow, it requires a lot more work. It requires intense amount of practice, hours and hours every day. I practice at 74 yards every day. Do you? Hundreds of arrows. It's 74 yards just grouping into this small area about the size of a grapefruit.

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Well, the last one that I killed died in 10 seconds. He was dead in 10 seconds. He literally ran up to the top of the hill. It took like not even 10 seconds. I was like whack the arrows.

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hits run run run boom dead because of an accurate shot placement if you shoot an animal accurately they die instantaneously they die very quickly they they you either hit them in the heart or you hit them through both lungs if they're alive for 30 seconds it's a lot generally but there's been times where it might take 30 minutes for them to die they just lay down and you see them moving a little bit and you sneak in and try to get a second arrow into them to take them out

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Any way they die by a hunter is infinitely more humane than how they will die in the wild. And they will all die in the wild. They will all get old and they will either die of starvation, they'll freeze to death, or more likely they'll get eaten by cats.

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Right, I think people just say that because they want to have a moral high ground, and they haven't looked into it enough. If they did, they would have to come to grips with the fact that this is... You're paying a supermarket hitman, okay? Yeah. He's not a murderer if you hire someone to get murdered. It seems like you're a murderer. It seems like you'd go to jail as a murderer.

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It's the same thing. If you go to the grocery store and you buy a T-bone steak, you paid a supermarket hitman. He just assumed you were going to pay him, so he did the work before he got the money from you.

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And they're like, you wanted that cow dead, right?

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Or hire the RAF fighter. Even drone pilots have severe PTSD. Do they? Yes. Yeah, there's a very specific kind of it, because it's like this... You're not totally connected to the act, but you know what you did. Yeah. And then you'll be haunted. Like, if you're just operating a little PS4 or PS5 controller, and you're zooming some drone... I mean, that's kind of what they do it with, right?

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Don't they use, like, game controllers? They use game controllers, which is so fucking wild, because... That's the best way to do it. You get these kids that are playing Call of Duty eight hours a day, and then that kid goes and becomes a part of the drone program. That's your assassins. That's your ultimate killers. And these guys are doing it for real.

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They're playing a video game, but real human beings are dying. And in their head, when they lay in bed at night, they know that.

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So it's a little more complicated than a PS4 or PS5 thing, but it does have a joystick just like a simulator. Yeah. Like a flight simulator is what it looks like. That's the view. But how nutty is that?

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What does that feel like when you're in Nevada and you're operating something that's in Iraq or wherever, in Yemen, and you've got a drone flying over some compound and you're just shooting hellfire missiles into human beings based on metadata?

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See if you can find an article on it because there was something that I had read about it really recently.

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No, no, it's not because the amount of civilians that die are very high. It's a it's.

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Yeah, it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 80-plus percent. Some estimations are 90% of civilians. It's hard to tell because what's been explained to me by people in the military is that the people... First of all, the government will... undercut the number. They'll give you a lower number than probably Israel. And then the people that were attacked will give you a higher number than Israel.

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And so you have to sort this out. Like a good example is, remember the New York Times reported that the Israelis had blew up a hospital. And it was on the front page of the New York Times. And they had been told that, you know, 500 people were dead or 5,000. I forget the number.

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The reality was the bomb hit the parking lot and 50 people died. But they had been told it was a much worse scenario. They reported it, not knowing.

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No, no, no. Yeah, but in this specific example. One specific example. The numbers are terrifying.

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But just looking at it.

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They seldom got the same recovery periods or mental health screenings as other fighters. Instead, they were treated as office workers, expected to show up for endless shifts in a forever war.

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Under unrelenting stress, several former crew members said people broke down, drinking and divorce became common, some left the operations floor in tears, others attempted suicide, and the military failed to realize the full impact. Despite hundreds of missions, Captain Larson's personal file under the heading Combat Service only offers a single word, none.

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Drone crew members said in interviews that while killing remotely is different from killing on the ground, it still carves deep scars. Hmm. In many ways, it's more intense, said Neil Shuneman, a drone sensor operator who retired as a master sergeant from the Air Force in 2019. A fighter jet might see a target for 20 minutes. We had to watch a target for days, weeks, and even months.

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We saw him play with his kids. We saw him interact with his family. We watched his whole life unfold. You are remote but also very much connected. Then one day, when all parameters are met, you kill him. Then you watch the death. You see the remorse and the burial. People often think this job is going to be like a video game, and I have to warn them. There is no reset button. Yeah. That's awful.

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It's a horrific, very intense thing. Yeah. But it's akin to buying a steak in a store.

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Do you eat only vegetables?

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Monocrop agriculture, which is a horrific loss of life. Like if you're buying corn or grain, most likely you're getting it from monocrop agriculture. And they kill thousands of animals to do that. They poison the ground. They poison bugs. If you consider insects life forms, they kill millions. They kill groundhogs, gophers, anything that gets in the way.

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And then the monocrop agriculture kills the environment because it destroys the topsoil. The topsoil is destroyed. And like most farms in this country, we have to pour shit on the ground in order for it to be able to sustain life.

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Well, let's assume that God didn't conceive of factory farming and this is like a loophole created by human beings because I think it is. I think it's just like money in politics. Like the founding fathers didn't see that coming. They didn't see social media coming. They didn't see a lot of things that are interfering with this concept of self-government.

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And I think God probably like they're never gonna do that They never stick all the chickens in a fucking warehouse and stack them up to yep We will if you let us get away with it, and then we develop laws with you can't film those things.

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Yeah, I There's a problem of animal intelligence right animals are sentient. They're they're they they have instincts. They they love their young and There's also a problem with plant intelligence and plant intelligence. I think the emergent science of plant intelligence is fascinating.

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I don't want to say they're the same thing as people, just like I don't want to say a golden retriever is the same thing as a person in a boat.

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No. Like fewer? Yeah. Like less than 10? I'm not going to kill 20 dogs for some dude. I don't know. You and me first. I don't know, man. I love my dog so much. Yeah, I shouldn't pick a golden retriever.

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It's like, I can't. Even if I get upset at him, I feel bad. You can't just say a random person. Like I said, if it was Hitler, I'd kill Hitler. For sure. I'd kill Hitler over a snake.

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No, I probably wouldn't. I'd probably bring him back so people could study him. If I was sure that I could capture him alive and get him in front of the press. What the fuck happened? How the fuck did you do this? Goddamn Norman, you should give me money for this. Norman Ohler, we've been talking about his book over and over again over the past couple weeks. Yes, since he's been here.

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But Hitler was cranked up on all kinds of shit. And so were the Nazis. They were all on methamphetamines. Hitler was on oxycodone apparently.

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It's a real problem.

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What we're talking about with the animal intelligence and plant intelligence and human intelligence, for sure the way we're doing it now is wrong. I think we would all agree to that. If you could wave a magic wand and let all the animals be free and no one eats them anymore, you're going to have chaos. You're going to have real chaos.

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First of all, you're going to have massive overpopulation, and you're going to have predators everywhere. Because unless you do have predators everywhere, you're going to have car accidents that you would never imagine, train accidents. There's a guy named... Why am I blanking on his name? American Coyote, Dan Flores. Dan Flores, I forget where he's a professor at.

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He studies the history of animals. And Dan Flores, he wrote a paper called, I think it's called Buffalo Ecology something. What was it? Buffalo Diplomacy, Buffalo Ecology. He thinks, that's it, genius guy.

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He thinks the reason why when they came across the Great Plains and there was millions and millions of buffalo, he thinks the reason why is because 90% of the Native Americans were killed by the plague. This is his thought. Because the earliest settlers in the 1400s, the 1500s, they didn't see that many buffalo. It wasn't like, they didn't even report them.

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There were many accounts where they didn't even report them. Why? Because the Native Americans lived off them and they kept their population in check. The buffalo have a very long gestation period, right? They're an enormous animal. And if you can kill one, it takes a long time to replace that one.

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So they would travel around, track the buffalo, kill them, live off them, use their skins, eat their meat, and then nomadically travel with them. And they kept their population in check.

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When 90% of Native Americans were dead, Dan Flores believes that led to this insane overpopulation problem of buffalo where you see millions of them in fields because that doesn't exist anywhere in nature unless there's a problem. And that problem is a lack of predators and the predators at that time being the Native American hunter.

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Well, it's not just that you would have to control their population somehow. You'd have to give them birth control.

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Right, but to what length? How many do you let breed? You have to have population control, right?

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Wildlife biologists. Let me explain something about hunting areas, right? So if you're going to go to this place in Montana where we went and hunted mule deer, wildlife biologists do surveys on the areas, and they know roughly the exact amount of deer that are in this area. Right, okay. And they know the less accurate... number of predators, particularly stealthy predators like mountain lions.

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Pretty good with wolves, but even then in high density areas, very difficult to really figure it out. But they get the numbers of the deer and then based on some very exact science, they calculate the amount of hunters who will be allotted tags. So like say if you apply for a limited draw entry place. So limited draw entry is like say maybe you have

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an allocated piece of land that's X amount of thousands of acres, and in that, there are X amount of thousands of deer, and you will allow 100 hunters into that area. And out of those 100 hunters, there'll be maybe a 10 to 15% success rate. So you are thinking that these hunters will trim

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10 deer, 20 deer, whatever it is for this particular, and there's a bunch of different areas like this all over the country, but they're all tightly managed.

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And the wildlife biologists that do that in the United States, it's a beautiful and incredible thing because it doesn't exist anywhere else in the world where you have public land where people, the United States and all the people living in the United States own this land. This is our land. and you can go out on that land. And in some places, you don't even have to have a tag.

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You get what's called an over-the-counter tag. Because these are areas where they're difficult to get to. There's plentiful deer. They don't have to worry about you depopulating. And so you get a tag, and you go out. You go five, six, 10 miles in. You camp out. You live under the stars, and you get your food. And you can do that in this country.

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And you can do that because these wildlife biologists have a very keen understanding of the amount of animals that are sustainable in the area and the amount of hunters they can allow to hunt in these areas. That's how it's done. If you don't do that, and if you just have animals run free...

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You get the buffalo when there's millions of them on the fields, and you're going to have to kill some of them because they're going to get diseased because they don't have any food. They're going to starve to death. Or you're going to bring in mountain lions, and mountain lions can't kill buffalo, so you're going to have to bring in wolves. You're going to have to bring in big cats.

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You're going to have to bring in all kinds of things that eat things to keep them in line. Then you've got fucking wild nature taking place everywhere in the world that there's not a city. And even in cities, you're going to have it. You have coyotes in New York City right now.

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So if the goal is just completely to eliminate suffering, why don't we kill all the predators? Yeah. Because they're going to make all these animals suffer. And if you get killed by wolves, oh, that's a rough one. That's a rough one. The worst is killed by bears because they just eat you. They just hold you down and start pulling you apart like a salmon.

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So if we want to really eliminate suffering, perhaps we should eliminate all of the predators or just put them in zoos where they'll suffer. But they're evil. And then because they just kill and eat. That's all they do.

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Unless they're Hitler.

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Well, you know, when you hunt animals, you hunt mature animals.

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You can tell by the way they look. They get bigger. Their head looks different.

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I've killed them that are 11 years old. That's really old. Really old. His teeth were all worn down to almost nothing. He probably had another year or two left if he was lucky. And again, their death is horrific. The death that they have from wild predators is terrifying. There's not too many... I hunt in Utah every year, and we see cats there.

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I saw the biggest cat I've ever seen in my life there. It's a huge mountain lion. But I've seen other predators. You see a lot of coyotes, and they do spot wolves there, too. There's bears there. We see bears. But... That death is so much worse than a hunter's death. Yeah, most probably, yeah. 100%, and it's going to happen.

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They're not living forever, and what I'm doing is I'm dipping my toe into the wild world and through considerable effort bringing back meat.

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Isn't that this is the process. The reason why the elk is so fast and strong is because it's been avoiding mountain lines for hundreds of thousands of years.

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But maybe this is the best possible state of affairs to achieve a desired goal.

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I think even the evils of this world exist to incite outrage and for us to do better. I think this constant struggle of good and evil is maybe even necessary for us to keep moving in the right general direction. through rigorous debate and deceit and lies and propaganda and having your dreams shattered and figuring it out. Yeah, but that's us, right? But that's us and animals.

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That's the reason why the fucking elk is 900 pounds and built like a super athlete. It's because it has to get the fuck away from mountain lions. If it didn't, it would never look like that. It would never become an elk. It would not become this majestic thing with horns growing out of its fucking head. It's got literal weapons growing out of its head.

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And they're competing with each other with these weapons and killing each other. We find dead elk all the time. They find them every year. They're stabbed in the rib cage by other elk. And they die a horrible death. And they get torn apart by coyotes and bears when they're down. You find their bones scattered all over the place where they've been killed and ripped apart.

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Unless God is truly all-knowing and us with our primate minds are trying to make sense out of this thing that ultimately will make sense when we reach the end of our journey. And that this whole process... as complicated and vicious and evil as it seems to be with predator and prey and natural selection.

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And what you're just talking about, like with birds and different animals, well, they don't have to, they figured out a niche. They could fly. They move around. They basically got it nailed, right? To keep their populations high, not that difficult unless people come along with shotguns. That's when it really becomes a problem, like the passenger pigeon disappeared. Why?

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Because we ate them all and we shot them all. But when you look at animals in the wild, when they have a very successful model, they don't change. That's crocodiles. They have a very successful model. The model is this thing doesn't need to eat for a year. It can go underwater for hours. It can stay perfectly still in four inches of water.

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knows exactly where the animals are and explodes and eats them and kills them. And it's been in that same form for millions and millions of years. Because it's a successful form. Same as sharks. Successful form. Doesn't need to evolve. Human beings live in the most comprehensive and bizarre environment. First of all, we figured out how to shelter. And once we did that, we became weak.

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We figured out agriculture. We became weaker. We developed cities. We completely separated ourselves from the natural world. So we think of ourselves as different than all these other processes that are happening because we've elevated in our own eyes. beyond this, beyond the natural realm, into this world of morals and ethics and philosophy and our view of our perspective of the world.

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I think it's ridiculous to dismiss philosophy because you are a proponent of science. Just that reductionist perspective. The idea that thinking about things and developing, for lack of a better term, a philosophy, developing your own personal philosophy, taking from the accounts of others and their perspectives and their interesting, unique view of the world that we live in.

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But we're still in the natural world. We're still beasts, right?

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And when you go hunting, you really get a sense of that. You really understand. You're in the natural world.

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I don't think you'd have an insecurity complex if you were the universe.

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The idea that that's not significant or important to me seems pretty silly. It's silly.

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Oh, yeah. My daughter loves that show.

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Well, we inherently know that it feels better to be a good person. We know it. We know it feels better to have good friends and good community and be someone that people can rely on and count on. We know there's a general direction that makes us feel good to go in that way. And I think that's the guiding light of whatever this power is that wants us to become a better version of what we are is.

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That's what forces us. Forces that action. I think we get too caught up in religious dogmatism and we get too caught up in these literal interpretations of ancient texts, which are not even in the original language they were written in, which is so bizarre.

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Apparently an incredibly difficult language to read and comprehend and to translate When you're going back to like ancient Hebrew, we're trying to translate that into English like how much is lost there? Like yeah, what did these pee and also what where what was the original story? Where the fuck did all this come from? Like what was the the original guy that told these stories?

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What was the experience that he actually had we're guessing because of people I used to say about the Bible, and it was just a joke, I don't really mean this if you're a Bible fanatic, that people are full of shit and that story sucks. That's all you have to do is look at it. People are full of shit, 100%. We know it's a fact. I thought it was the greatest story ever told.

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Well, it's like, listen, the President of the United States was just on TV the other day lying. People are full of shit. They lie all the time. We know they lie.

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Right, but the human beings that took place in the experiments that led to the splitting of the atom all had to have some sort of a philosophy that they managed their life by. Yeah. They had to have something that allowed them to have the discipline to commit to their schooling, to follow through with the project. Especially think about Oppenheimer's struggle that he had with this.

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I would have said Ezekiel.

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You got to go old, son. New Testament's been monkeyed with. Even the New Testament. It's all fascinating to me. I am not an anti-religious person. I think I was when I was younger. I went to Catholic school when I was a little boy, and I decided that religion was bullshit because they were mean. But that was just me being six.

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But then as I was raised by hippies, but as I've gotten older, I kind of have a belief that the arrogance of atheism is just as bad as the arrogance of the religious zealot. And that this whole thing is a massive mystery. And to pretend that it's not is to... We're going to hamstring all of these conversations. We're going to put shackles on all of our debate in all of our...

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conversations where we're trying to figure out what's real and what's not real and what's the shared experience that we all have. Like, I don't know how you view the world. And the only way for me to find out how you view the world is for me to ask you and not berate you for your opinions, but try to, like, get it out of you. Like, but what about this? Challenge you with other perspectives.

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How does he feel about that? Like, sometimes you can get very quickly to how deep a person's perspective on an issue is with just a couple of questions. Because you see what they espouse, what they say, and a lot of times that aligns with very particular ideologies, whether it's right wing or left wing.

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And then a couple of questions deep, you start asking about opposing viewpoints and why do people think this way? And do you think that perhaps it's this? And then you can get to how much they have actually thought about it.

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And the moment people become dogmatic, the moment people become ideologically captured by a very specific group of things that you've adopted as your opinions, because it aligns with science. We saw that during the pandemic, this trust the science idea. Which science? Like, what is science? Science is not a consensus. It's a bunch of different people looking at data and trying to come to.

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And when you know that that's hamstrung and you know that that's captured, that's not science anymore. You know, there's propaganda involved. You know, there's lies. This is not science. This is a business and it utilizes science and you're caught up in an ideological debate about a thing that you should be completely objective about.

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But you're not because it's just like all the other things that human beings do. We like to decide that we are correct and that we defend from that position. Instead of just looking at... These ideas, like I think one of the things that happened with atheism is that it did become like a philosophy. Remember when they had Atheism Plus? Do you remember that? Do you remember that?

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Oh, it was wonderful. So they had atheism and then they had these like social justice warriors that came out with Atheism Plus. And it was atheism attached to a whole bunch of ideas about like – ways to behave, things that they value.

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Exactly. They were basically forming a new religion. It was adorable. It was adorable to see that these patterns of thinking just seemed to be inherent to human beings. Like the tribal cultural rituals, tribal cultural philosophies, their myth of the origins of things that they all accept as their own. It's like an identifying factor that cohesively...

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connects groups which is why like you said that you didn't enjoy uh church because you don't like going to that i actually like it i've been to church you just told me that the bible is one of the most boring stories it's not boring i didn't say it was boring oh is it one of the worst stories no no no i said people are full of shit and that story sucks oh the story so that's the story like the story of i used to do a joke about uh noah and the ark that if you told that

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Thing that he had created that was ultimately gonna lead to destruction of hundreds of thousands alive It's if not the entire human race itself, right which was very deeply based Yeah in philosophy like his perspective and his struggles with it I mean if he was just like an automaton like some, you know sociopathic just super Alzheimer's guy or you know that didn't not out autism guy rather that didn't think at all about

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I can't even do the same joke anymore. Why can't you do the same joke? Because I used to say retarded. If you told it to, I think I said, a five-year-old kid, obviously with mental problems, he's going to find holes in that story. He's going to go, wait a minute, there's two of each animals. Animals eat other animals. And the punchline was, I'm not that retarded.

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But this idea that we have about... these stories, I think is that they happen exactly as written. And I think it's way more likely that all these stories are about real events that took place a long time ago and were told in an oral tradition. It's just what really happened is very difficult to say.

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And when you have the hand of man, when you have human beings, especially in the New Testament, you literally have people deciding what is going to be and not going to be in it. So there's human beings deciding what is going to be in the Bible, which is insane. That's insane as it is. It doesn't mean that the things that are in there aren't.

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representatives of the most recent version of telling a tale that probably did happen.

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Well, I think we see that with people, right? People that don't have a meaningful life and just seek pleasure all the time are miserable because they're missing that part of the equation, meaning.

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no concept at all about empathy, no concept at all about our perspective. He would just plow forth ahead and just launch bombs. Science depends on human beings that have a unique way of thinking, and how does that not come out of philosophy?

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Well, we have some real bad examples of it in this country, too. We have some real distortions, you know, like the factory farming version of Christianity. What kind of stuff? Televangelists. These people that fill out arenas and they fly around in private jets and drive around in Rolls Royces and brag about their stuff.

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One of the guys, was that guy's name Richard Copeland? Is that his name? The guy that was confronted by... He was confronted by this woman that was asking him because she had heard that he said that he didn't want to fly commercial because then he would be flying with demons. And so she says to him, like, do you think that the passengers and commercial airlines are... Listen to this.

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Kenneth Copeland. Here, Kenneth Copeland. Here, put your headphones on.

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I don't trust any men with fingernails like that.

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122 people.

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So that's part of the problem that we have with religion in this country.

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Yeah, he skipped everything. He went right to private jet. Dollar pair gave me such a great deal. He's such a great guy.

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The eyes on that guy. Good Lord. If you wanted to show me an AI-generated vision of a guy who looks like he's possessed.

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Look at those fucking eyes. Jesus, that would scare the shit out of me.

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Man, the replacer always gets it done. Seriously, though, if you're hooked on Call of Duty, this is your time to jump in. Head over to callofduty.com slash blackops6 to get in the game. Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Available now. Rated M for Mature.

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Well, I think it becomes almost as dogmatic as religion itself. Atheism, in a lot of ways, is kind of related. They're committed to this idea that there is nothing else. I just don't understand how you could do that without enough... If you're a person who you view the world based in... He is so fucking loud, dude.

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If you're a human being, all you truly know is human experiences. You know your experiences in the world. And you know there's part of the world, there's parts of the world that at any given time are cruel and terrible. But there's also parts of the world that are wonderful. There's things that you do find meaning in. Like I assume you find meaning in this conversation.

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You find meaning in a great dinner date, a fun time with friends, a vacation, things that you like to do for a living, philosophical pursuits, I'm sure, in your life. all kinds of different things people find meaning in. And they enjoy and love and they have happy moments. And you go for a hike in the mountains and it's beautiful and you feel spiritually enriched by touching nature.

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There's meaning out there. It's just not like the lottery. You don't just get all of it all at once and that's all you get and you live in a utopian world. No, one of the things that makes meaning

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so wonderful when you do find it in this world is that so much of life feels like there's no meaning feels like you don't connect to it so when you do connect to something whether it's groups of people your family your loved ones your friends your whatever you do for a living that's unusually rewarding

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You are one of the lucky people that's on the right frequency, and that frequency is what we should all gravitate towards and try to attain. I think the problem with a lot of things that are written is that they're written from an individual's perspective, and that person might have been depressed. That person might not have had a good connection to their community or to friends or to loved ones.

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They might not have had a great personality. They might not have been a fun person to be around, so they didn't really attract a lot of people that wanted to have good times with them.

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We do find tremendous meaning in this life. We do. It's just not everywhere. And you've got to look for it. You've got to work for it. And once you get it, you've got to maintain it.

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You mean the world or as human beings interface with the world? Yeah, as human beings as well.

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But you are the only thing that you're aware of that interfaces with this universe that you're consciously connected to. You are you, the you that's talking out of your mouth right now is the only you that interfaces with your world. If you find meaning in that world, the world has meaning.

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I would hope there's other things other than counting blades of grass.

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What?

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Oh, like as a whole? Yeah. I think it's moving in a direction and I think it's moving in a very specific direction with the apex predator, which is human beings. And I think if you looked at, if you were an alien and you visited Earth, I've said this before, so I apologize to people who've heard it, and you looked at us, you would say, well, what does this thing do? Well, it makes better things.

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Marshall and Carl were having a wrestling match for about 15 minutes, and poor little Carl was over there panting.

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It's all it does is make better things. It's all they do. And everything that's hardwired into people

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uh just think about the stupid things that are hardwired into people like materialism like you can't keep these things why why are you piling up things and you're 80 years old why are you buying it why is kenneth copeland buying a jet right what is it well materialism forces innovation because you always want the latest and the greatest things it's a one of the many motivations status is attached to these things as well that's another motivation that pushes innovation

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If I looked at us from another perspective, I was another life form, I'd say it makes technology. And it makes better technology every year with a fever pitch. I mean, every year there's a new phone. Every year there's better computers. Every year there's better chips. Samsung just came out with a new battery that is going to be on EVs that has a 600-mile range and charges in nine minutes.

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No, but it was just a new article that just came out that they were talking about in terms of game changers, in terms of technological innovation. That's what we do. We do it constantly. I think that means we make artificial life. And that's what I think we're here for.

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I was where I was before I was distracted. So I just think that these people sort of looked at this as religion is all this superstitious nonsense that these people have concocted and put together over years to keep people in line. And science is something that we can prove and see. And there is no God. But just – How do you know? You do not know. It's a crazy thing to say.

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It seems like meaning is a very human-centric concept. Meaning to us means that something makes sense, that it's noble and ethical and moral and it's the right way. It's the most intelligent way to advance and exist. And that's what we're attaching the concept of meaning to. But I would push back on the whole thing if aliens came and found primitive man just eating berries. Yeah.

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it depends on how primitive right like even if you discover chimpanzees in the congo and you go and study them like that uh chip nation documentary on netflix they they have a very interesting social structure they they have alpha males and they have bonds between the other males and they have neighboring tribes they fight over resources yeah like you'd be fascinated

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And if you went further ahead a few million years and saw that they've developed tools and now they've figured out how to skin animals and throw spears, you'd be like, oh, I see where this is going. Like their meaning is to continue getting better at this. Then they develop metallurgy. Then they figure out combustion engines, how to harness electricity, and like, whoa, okay, now we're cooking.

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These things have a meaning. It's just all the chaos to us. Because we're personally attached to other human beings. And we see all the terrible things that are happening all over the world. And not just terrible for violence that other human beings commit to, but also just what we're doing to the earth itself, like in terms of natural resources. What we're doing to the ocean is fucking insane.

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And you would say, well, this thing is making a better version of itself. It's going to make an artificial life. And it's probably going to happen within our lifetime. And that might be... that might be the progression of life everywhere in the universe and that might be what God really is.

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Intelligent life and creativity might be a seed of God and that if it keeps going and this biological life gives birth to digital life that can make better versions of itself instantaneously and then continue to do so, it will eventually have the unimaginable power to harness every single element that exists in the universe.

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That's the thing that you keep saying that meaningful.

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You have such a limited perspective just in terms of the universe itself. We only see what we see on our planet and the tiny amount that we can reach out into this. And, you know, they can look back 13 billion years, but what are they looking at? They're looking at like bright lights, like little dots, and they understand this is a galaxy. But it's like... How big is this fucking thing?

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Well, let me push back against that because what about Buddhist monks that spend their entire life celibate just meditating in a room? Are they, is their experience less meaningful? Because they're achieving, they're actually communicating with what they believe is God.

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I mean, there's the classic versions of stories, right? Like the king's son, the wealthy kid that never had to do anything, just sits around getting grapes fed to him. Like, ugh, what a piece of shit, you know? We know that we would like, as human beings, we would like things to continue to move in a better direction.

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Every presidential campaign in the United States is all about making it a better place.

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Where did it come from? What's going on? You don't know. What is the purpose? Is this a grand test? Are you a part of some very bizarre journey that the soul has to go through in this environment before it expands and goes into the next dimension, next phase of existence? Who fucking knows? You don't know. We do know that people die.

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What would be the benefits of having individual experiences?

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Well, don't you think that it motivates activity? It motivates movement and to have all these different consciousnesses competing with each other and comparing to each other. This motivates people when you meet people. What is inspiration, right? When you meet someone, you're inspired by them. It literally makes you a better person. It can make you better to see a great musician play.

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You leave inspired. You might go home and write something. You might be in the middle of a novel and write something completely different. connected to your experience that you had watching that concert. And that all these different examples of people we admire, like, God, I wish I was more like that guy. Try to be more like that person. You know what I say all the time?

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Aspire to be the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid. Just actually become that guy. Like, it's possible, right? If you could fake it for a little while, you know, when you're 21 years old trying to pick up a girl.

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Aspire to be the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid. Drunk. Well, why are you drunk? You're drunk because it loosens your inhibitions. You become more jolly.

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Well, that competition has to exist all throughout nature, right? There's no way that the mountain lion and the deer can share a consciousness because the deer will be like, don't eat me. What the fuck are you doing, man? Why are you eating me? And they have to be an individual for them to compete.

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They have to have their own needs and their own desires, and then this is how natural selection works. Because if it doesn't happen, then there are no predators, there are no prey. And then life does not advance.

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We do know that people have near-death experiences and these very bizarre... moments where they come back from the dead and have very similar accounts of something happening, about encountering... I had Sebastian Young on the podcast the other day, and he was... Sebastian Younger, and he was explaining how... When he almost died, he had an internal bleeding. And he saw his father.

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The problem with this new idea is that someone's going to be at the head of it. That person's going to be like Kenneth Copeland. It's just a human thing that we do. And to push back on this question of why God would want to have the consciousnesses all separated, or what's the reason for it, everything's separated. I mean, everything... in the world, right?

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Everything in this room is constructed of atoms and most of it is empty space, but yet some of it is a table and some of it is a microphone and some of it is you and some of it is me. So if you look fractally at what the observable universe, what we're aware of in terms of like what exists physically, right? We're aware of subatomic particles. We don't understand them We're aware of them.

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We know they blink in and out of existence. Spooky action at a distance. It's magic stuff. It's wild things. That's the very nature of the matter of the world in which we find ourselves conscious in. And then as you expand through that, every single thing, even plants and animals and everything is an individual. It's all individuals.

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And that process of all these things being individuals seems to be a part of this expansion and growth and a part of natural selection and a part of evolution and a part of this constant state of improvement. Everything is moving towards a state of deeper and deeper complexity. Everything improves. The elk gets big muscles to run away from the wolves.

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And all these things happen in order for these beings to prosper and survive and to keep this healthy balance as this weird ape develops electronics.

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His father came to the bed with him and was talking to him. It was like this very bizarre thing. We don't really know. We really don't know what life is. We don't know what consciousness is. So we're being arrogant. And I think, unfortunately, brilliant people that are so used to schooling people in debates, like Christopher Hitchens, like Sam Harris.

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And every step of the way.

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But did they understand evolution back then? No, not by a long shot. No, but not by a long shot. So should we still be listening to them?

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Exactly the same words, exactly the same pauses.

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Infinitely.

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These guys are so good at making religious zealots look like buffoons, right? And you get real good at that, and you just sort of think that, look, I got it down. These fucking religious people, they don't know what the fuck's going on.

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But we're really concerned about things that we're not even sure exist that are horrific? Yeah, well, you should be... You know what I'm saying? That's existential angst to the power of a thousand.

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But in our own experience on Earth, horrific things and beautiful things are happening simultaneously. And generally speaking, more beautiful things than horrific, but we concentrate on the negatives. To sit around and ponder the multiverse being an infinite number of evil civilizations destroying themselves and torturing themselves... Okay, how is that any different than thinking about demons?

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But you're involved in a religion. As bizarre as it seems, just like wokeism is a religion, just like far-right ideology is a religion.

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How is that any different than thinking about the puppet masters of the universe controlling all of our minds? Yeah, yeah. It's just mental masturbation. There's no way you're going to know whether or not there's a multiverse of people suffering.

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So to not be happy in this beautiful existence because perhaps there's a multiverse in which infinite suffering is occurring seems to me to be a giant waste of an amazing trip. Like the trip that we're on right now is Earth 2025 Western Civilization. Pretty fucking cool. Pretty cool.

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And I think your job is if you're so fortunate that you're in this position to enjoy this very bizarre place in history where it's the strangest time perhaps ever. that human beings have been alive, and we're going through it. You could sit around all day and think, oh, but in other multiverses, people are just getting eaten by other people.

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We don't know what it is. We really don't know.

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Sure. there's probably an infinite number of, if the multiverse exists, and if there's not a limited number of universes, but it's an infinite number of universes, there's probably an infinite number of universes that are also fucking amazing. They're probably all competing just like all life is on this planet. And what if the universe is constantly in a state of evolution itself?

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#2193 - Jack Symes

7943.445

Why would we limit that to the physical things that we can currently observe? If we know that there's stellar nurseries, we know how planets get born and stars, we're very aware there's this process going on. Why would we assume this process is completed and perfected? Maybe this process is also moving in a better direction constantly, just like human life is, just like human civilization is.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

7968.623

Maybe that's something that exists everywhere in the universe and that the universe itself is advancing to a more powerful state or a better state.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

801.124

They're ideological cults.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8091.605

That's where we get what you keep referring to as meaning. That's where we get meaning. Yeah.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

818.979

What about Scientology?

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8191.222

Drifting off thing doesn't make sense to me because drifting off is just a failure to connect. But you're still conscious. It's not like I'm dead, like everything goes black and I don't know anything. I'm thinking about other things. My stream of consciousness just stopped paying attention to you. If I drift off, I never drift off entirely. If I do, I go to sleep.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8225.326

Right, but what is going on? Like, why do we have such vivid dreams? Like, what is going on with consciousness in regards to REM sleep? We don't totally understand that. We don't really know what that is.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

823.228

But in our country, they actually want a lawsuit.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8248.455

Right, like Star Trek.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8258.359

Well, it's not copy and paste, but it's like they take you and they beam you to another planet and you don't exist here anymore, but you exist over there.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

828.73

I used to have a joke about it where I said that a cult is created by one guy and that guy knows it's bullshit. In a religion, that guy's dead.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8295.96

Is he making a clone of himself?

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8298.742

You can't give that power to dictators. You know, when I was talking to Kurzweil, talking about downloading consciousness into computers. I'm like, what's to stop someone from doing that a thousand times? What's to stop someone from making an army of Donald Trumps? You can't stop.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8327.832

He should just kill himself. He's already here. I wonder if he shot himself in the head, he would just be that other guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2193 - Jack Symes

8354.668

Well, it is an interesting question because if consciousness is not local...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2193 - Jack Symes

8360.732

you download someone like what you know if you do move if you do take someone out of this physical existence and put them somewhere but then they don't have a soul there's this bizarre vessel that can no longer communicate and then then we'll realize like oh we fucked up yeah we got to go find out where that guy's consciousness got dropped off along the journey I think it probably does get dropped off it probably needs the same capacity there to begin with you're probably an antenna for consciousness

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8389.981

Yeah. You're probably a physical thing with a lot of biological requirements that's connected to some sort of consciousness that sees itself as an individual but is completely connected to all the life forms around it.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8424.883

First of all, not completely connected to this, but I think it's possible that what consciousness is is almost like a giant motherboard, and we are all connected to that motherboard as individuals, but that we share this one thing together. And I think we really become aware of that when the community comes together, when there's a tragedy, when there's an event. Hmm.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8447.441

Something happens, we all mind meld together. And I think the individual, the biological entity that is you and that is me, has all of these requirements that it has to meet in order to stay alive and to move forward and to progress in their civilization and culture. And that this is a different thing than the entire consciousness that we share.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8470.345

But we share it with each other so much so that we can't be alone. I mean, people that are alone for too long go crazy. The worst they can do to you in prison is put you in solitary confinement.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8520.239

It's just a thought that it may be the case. It's not of I'm sure that that's what's going on. And also, this is a sort of a universal sentiment that gets told by people that have profound psychedelic experiences, that we're all sharing some sort of consciousness, some very bizarre connection that we don't totally understand.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8540.752

And that the biological vehicle that we have that carries around the soul has these motivations, and you will battle with these motivations in order to do the greater good.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8555.762

I think most religious experiences have their root in psychedelic experiences.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2193 - Jack Symes

8563.269

Well, certainly Moses and the burning bush. In fact, scholars in Jerusalem, they believe that what that was a metaphor was burning a bush that contained dimethyltryptamine.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8575.032

So you think about burning the bush, right? And that's one of the ways that they consume psychedelic drugs is they burn them. And the acacia tree is very rich in dimethyltryptamine, which is a very potent psychedelic drug. And there's there's countless depictions of psilocybin mushrooms. both in ancient Egypt and in cultures all over the world. There's mushroom rituals that occurred.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8600.496

There's the sacred mushroom in the Bible, John Marco Allegro's book about the Dead Sea Scrolls, where he thought that the entire Christian religion had its origins in fertility rituals and psychedelic mushroom therapy, that they were all having these rituals and consuming these mushrooms. That's the Eleusinian mysteries, that they all got together and

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8620.57

drank some sort of a potion, the kookion, that was a psychedelic potion, and they devised democracy, and they figured out all sorts of very unusual philosophies from these psychedelic experiences.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8662.234

Not more reasonable. I think each experience is probably valid. And maybe person B that sees the Easter Bunny, he doesn't have the capacity for whatever reason. Like his psychology is not strong enough to grasp the entire possibility of everything. that all of this is connected and they freak out and they compartmentalize.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8682.456

And that's one of the things that happens to people that have bad trips, right? Bad trips are essentially you trying to control an experience that's uncontrollable.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8689.517

Or maybe you go into that trip with a significant level of anxiety, maybe the loss of a loved one, a devastating moment in your life, loss of job, loss of family, and you have this experience and you just freak the fuck out, which can happen too.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8749.952

One third of the entire group of 700? Yeah.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8854.545

And these people, had they been diagnosed with any mental illnesses?

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8962.505

Participants were active. They still take psychedelic drugs. In response, 334, 54.9% said yes, and 246, 40.5% said no. 28 did not respond to the question. They were asked to rate their agreement with the following statement. I believe that the insights and healing gained from psychedelics when taken in supportive settings are worth the risks involved.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

8983.013

The frequencies across the four response points to this question, strongly agree, agree, disagree, strongly disagree, are shown in figure two. In total, 89.7% agreed or strongly agreed with the statement.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9003.165

It does make sense, though, that... Human beings vary so much biologically and we vary so much psychologically. You vary by what your experiences have been on this planet up to the point where you take the drugs, where you're at in your life. I think the real problem is that they've been illegal for so long we haven't been able to study what the correct dosage is.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9024.652

are what biological problems you may have, like unique to yourself that makes you either allergic to these things or having an extreme response or a negative response, what medications you may be taking that you don't know interfere with them. We talked about that yesterday with Prozac. MAO inhibitors.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9044.556

There's a bunch of things that people take that will profoundly impact the way these drugs, I'm sure they probably screened for those, at least some of them when they did those studies. But I don't think there's anything in this life that's 100% good. I think most medications have side effects, even ones that have been hugely beneficial and saved countless lives.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9067.479

They have side effects, and some people are allergic to them, and some people just biologically don't agree with them. I think that's the case with psychedelics as well.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9093.767

Oh, no, I don't think you are saying that. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2193 - Jack Symes

9099.609

I think what you're saying is very important.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2193 - Jack Symes

9105.53

And everybody is coming into it with a fucking different set of baggage.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9109.931

Some of that baggage you can't carry up the hill.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9150.922

about these negative experiences which just aren't reported that aren't in the aren't in our date logs and i'd be interested to know just how many there are and you know how how severe they are when people sort of have these i'm sure there's quite a few that people don't want to talk about and i bet they get a lot of pushback from the psychedelic community if they want to discuss it like all zealots you know they're psychedelic zealots i think um the that's the real problem is the illegal nature of them and the fact that i mean even just recently they denied

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9181.622

FDA denied MDMA to be used in clinical settings for veterans. They have to do more tests with maps, which is very unfortunate because that particular type of therapy has been very beneficial for people, especially veterans, who've seen the horrors of war and to come back and try to psychologically deal with these things.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9200.888

To have some tools that we know are effective be denied to these people that went overseas and served and saw these and experience these horrific things, I just think is unreasonable. And I think that... The real problem with these things being illegal is it's mostly being governed by people that have never taken them. They don't really understand what we're even talking about.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9223.692

And I think that I'm not saying it's the panacea for all, but I'm saying it's a tool. And I think it's been a tremendous tool to a lot of individuals. They've experienced some extreme changes of perspective. and of their own personal connection to the world through these things that are very, very beneficial.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9244.902

I know multiple people that have just become completely different human beings after psychedelic experiences and much better, much more caring, abandoned, whatever chip they had on their shoulder. And I think that can't be denied. And I think it's another thing that's here to help us evolve. That's what I think.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9283.714

Just like me?

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9287.836

Right, but the thing is it's not on the outside. It's psychologically that's really like how strong is that person's foundation in the world?

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9323.292

I would like to talk to that guy before all this shit went south and see how loony he was already. I knew a dude who was a little bit loony, and then he delved very heavily into the world of psychedelics, and he became schizophrenic. I suspect that he was already schizophrenic before, that he had it under containment.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9340.604

But then he went nuts and just thought that everything was a psy-op, and it was very strange. Very strange to talk to him. I thought everyone was a government agent. Very weird, just weird, weird interface. And he had slipped completely into the world of paranoia, almost inexorably. I don't know how you'd pull the guy back to make him a normal person again.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9363.302

And again, I don't know if he was a normal person before. I didn't know him that well. It's hard to know yourself as well, right? I think they're like every other tool. You could abuse all tools. I think there's a lack of understanding of what, again, the doses, the correct way to consume it, the biological factors, your unique biology, the way it might interfere with this experience.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9409.212

Imagine being a shaman and you have to deal with these fucking Wahoos taking a propeller plane over to your country. Just to see what job to take next. You have no idea what's wrong with these people. You're dosing them up with ayahuasca in the middle of the jungle. There's jaguars and snakes out there. These people are freaking out. I bet their version of it, I bet, I would love to know.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9428.564

If we had real good data on these shaman adventures where people go to the jungle, like, How many of them lose their fucking marbles and are cooked forever after that? I don't know.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9483.844

We're terrified of everything going in that direction over here, especially in Texas. Texas is the last frontier. You think so? This is what America, like Texas is what the rest of the world thinks America is. A bunch of freedom loving people with guns. Just wild people playing music, drinking all the time. That's Texas for real. I didn't think it was going to be like this.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9513.819

It's got a great vibe. The city has a very hopeful vibe. And that sucks for me when I go back to Los Angeles because that was my home for so long. But whenever I go back, I do not feel that vibe. But is that me? Is that my, you know, are there people that are like thriving and loving LA right now with all the craziness and the chaos? Perhaps.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9532.715

And maybe if I was a young man, you know, maybe if I was 25 again and I moved to LA again now, I'd be like, this is crazy. I love this fucked up place. This is awesome. Maybe I would. I probably would. knowing me, but the 57-year-old me is like, uh-uh, that place is ruined.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9632.19

But it's a violation of privacy of the child and it's also endangers them. So it's against the law. So it's not as simple as free speech. That takes it to a completely different level because you're talking about images of innocent people.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9653.401

You can't make threats. All those things are illegal. You can't threaten violence.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9691.358

Right, but I would say that those people were wrong and that if someone did have an opposition to the war, if you want to have a healthy society, you have to let those people express themselves. Especially when you read about the actual history of the war and you go, hey, maybe this could have been fucking prevented.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9707.531

And if people weren't so blindly allegiant to this idea of going over there and fighting.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9721.496

When would you think free speech would be a good thing to stop? What would be the boundary?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2193 - Jack Symes

9897.313

Well, the way Elon treats Twitter is whatever is illegal. You can't do things that are illegal. You can't threaten people. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. Those are things that are illegal. He legislates against the Twitter policy.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9908.84

You can have very controversial and unpopular opinions. Yeah. And you're allowed to do that. And that was what got you banned from Twitter before. But the problem with that is we found out through Twitter that they expanded that and kept expanding that to include some – things that a lot of people disagreed with, like transgender athletes in sports, criticizing them would get you banned.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

992.213

Well, I think the dogmatism A lot of it is, like, all the public discourse that we've seen that you can watch on YouTube between atheists and religious scholars, it generally turns into a debate. They're almost all debates. And almost all of these debates are, in a sense, intellectual competitions.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9933.762

Criticizing the lockdowns would get you banned. Saying anything negative about the mRNA vaccines would get you banned. And then we found out the FBI was involved. They were asking Twitter to censor posts. And there was just so much shit involved that made you go, well, this is not good. This is not free speech. And this is

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2193 - Jack Symes

9951.696

This is actually dangerous to a society if you let the government dictate what people can and can't say, because they will do it to their best convenience. What's best for them? What makes their life more convenient? What makes their job easier? What makes it easier to control people? Tell people what to do, and punish people that Don't listen.

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#2193 - Jack Symes

9970.758

Because if you lock them up, then you will automatically incentivize other people to toe the line. And that is what got scary. And that's what's scary about government controlled speech. And I think that's what people are scared about in the UK.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2193 - Jack Symes

9982.287

When you see people saying things they shouldn't be saying, but they're saying them on Facebook and they're getting arrested and they're doing like 20 months in jail.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1056.081

Yeah. So do most professional players study chess all day long at the highest level?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1074.926

You guys don't talk about it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1157.037

So maybe the thing is discipline versus enthusiasm. Enthusiasm causes obsession and enjoyment, which probably leads to better retention of information. Whereas just pure discipline for the sake of like, I have to do the work in order to get better. You're missing this enjoyment.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1177.384

You're missing this enthusiasm for it that you have managed to, although absorbing so much information and playing all the time, You've managed to keep it playful and fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

12.469

All right. We're up and rolling. Magnus Carlsen, ladies and gentlemen. You want some coffee?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1242

But it's interesting because you've been able to excel above so many, and it makes me wonder. I always am fascinated by some, whether it's a Tiger Woods or whatever the athlete is or whatever the game they play, what separates the very best from everyone else? I know in martial arts there's a series of factors that have to do with genetics, training, coaches.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1267.606

sparring partners and then ultimately discipline and drive but with chess it's all mental it's physical has nothing to do with it so do you think it's a genetic thing do you think you have a unique mind for chess is it you think it's this balance that you keep with enthusiasm and obsession like what do you think separates you from everyone else i think it has to be a um

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

127.341

Yeah, obviously. It's so funny though, a spark, a competitive spark with your sister is really what ignited you to get going with it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1401.75

um constantly evaluating is it's just it's just better it's just it's always just such an interesting thing to analyze like high performers you know and just to wonder like what it is that separates high performers when you say your father started playing late how old was he

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1440.375

When you say take it seriously, you mean like you do. This is what makes me think about epigenetics.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1446.217

We still don't exactly know how much information is transferred between parents to children, and it seems like there's a lot of talents, whether it's singing talent or sports talent, that you have to wonder, is that coming from genes, or is that coming from the environment which this child grows up, which this person, or is it a combination of all those factors?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1467.586

I wonder if someone gets really – a very intelligent person gets very good at chess early on. I wonder if some information or some proclivity for the game gets transferred.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1538.699

I have an ultimate theory for that. I wonder if you're a child and your parents are absolutely obsessed with the game, if it's annoying. And you're like, fuck this game. I want to go play in the park and my parents don't even pay attention to me. This is bullshit. There's a lot of children of alcoholics that will not drink. They won't even try it because they've seen the effects of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1559.009

I wonder that. Because chess is an obsessive game. I remember when Howard Stern was playing it. I would listen to him talk about it on the radio and about how he started hiring a coach and he was playing all the time and he's improving his rating. And I was like, oh. This is eating up your mind. It's a game that gets in your bones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1605.135

So the good thing about that controversy with cheating was that I think it elevated the profile of chess because it became mainstream news. It was like a big issue. I think there was a positive aspect of it in terms of the publicity of the game. Do you agree with that? Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

161.803

Yeah, what a call. I think you've got some talent. What a call.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1695.859

Yeah, it's certainly shown up on mine. It shows up on mine all the time. Yours, right? Oh, yeah. But you've always been a giant chess fan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1733.865

How many times have you resigned?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1786.505

Yeah, obviously that's different, though. Yeah, you can't just resign. You've got to ride that bitch out. This episode is brought to you by Zero Day, a new Netflix limited series. This conspiracy thriller is about a devastating cyber attack that downs America's infrastructure. Take a listen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

18.051

Tell Jeff to bring in the coffee. I forgot to bring in the coffee.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1834.781

Robert De Niro is absolutely legendary in his first TV series, and you don't really know if he's the good guy or the bad guy till the end. Zero Day has an incredible supporting cast, including Angela Bessette, Jesse Plemons, Lizzie Kaplan, and Connie Britton. Zero Day is now playing only on Netflix. Yeah, that would be, like, psychologically torturous, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1880.586

I played a little bit of chess when I was young, but I never really got into it. But my real introduction where I got fascinated with chess was actually at a pool hall. Because people in the pool hall would play chess sometimes, but there was this one guy who went to jail. And in jail, he learned how to play chess with his head, in his mind.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1899.112

And then there was a young kid who was a grandmaster, who was like 16, 17 years old, somewhere around then. Really, really good chess player. who kind of like lost his way and started hanging around in pool halls and gambling and being a weirdo. And I watched these two guys play chess with just words. And I was like, what are you doing? I think I was 22 or 23 at the time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1924.822

And I was like, what are you doing? And they were explaining to me that they're playing chess, memorizing the board in their head. And I'm like, that's fucking crazy. And then I saw a video of you blindfolded Playing how many people? How many people did you play? What's the most people you've ever played blindfolded?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1950.737

12. You've played 12 people blindfolded.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

1999.349

So that makes it a bit... Oh, so you have to jump back and forth. So in the other games, there's a sequence where the player, even though if they know what move they're going to take, they must wait until their turn.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2058.806

Do you prepare when you're doing something like this? When you're getting ready to do a blindfolded multi-game thing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2092.131

So you assign their face and you think of their face as they're playing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

21.593

I'm good with water. I need coffee. I'm going to keep up with you, buddy. And, of course, Tony Hinchcliffe is here, who's a gigantic chess fan and just creamed his pants yesterday when I told him you were coming in. And then immediately I said, you've got to come with me. And so Tony's here as well. It's an honor to meet you, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2102.375

And are you – what are you seeing in your mind when you're envisioning the table, when you're looking at the board? Are you merely thinking of positions? Are you actually thinking of the pieces? Like how are you breaking it down?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2135.104

But that's so crazy. Like when you're five, six moves in, and you're thinking of all these pieces moving around, and you've got it remembered. You've completely memorized each position of 12 different boards. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

222.19

Well, it seems like now chess, because of social media, it's like everything else. It's kind of exploding because there's so many fascinating videos out. And then, of course, there was like the big controversy with that young man who you believe is a big old cheater. That guy. I need to know. The anal beads thing. Is that a legitimate theory?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2280.399

Have you seen they used a computer with AI to do a Rubik's Cube in less than a second? No, I didn't see that. Oh, wow. Yeah. See if you can find it, Jamie. It's crazy. It just goes, and just spins it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2293.792

There is a sequence of moves. If you follow a sequence of moves, you can actually get it to do it automatically. Huh. Yeah, someone explained it to me once, and they did it, and I was like, what? I don't remember what it was because I don't give a fuck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2305.85

It was just like eight times this way, eight times that way, eight times this way, and you just keep doing it, and then eventually it'll be all flattened out at a certain point in time. Yeah, but this computer does it. You do Rubik's Cube too?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2329.954

Imagine the time you could have spent building a business, raising a family. Yeah. I feel like you're the fucking world record Rubik's Cube guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2350.063

How crazy is that? Ready? Way, go. Yeah, less than a second. Wow. That is crazy. Show it again in real time. So give up, kids. Give up. Give up. The computer figured it out. That's a dumb game. But do you play other games as well?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2390.3

But you're a grown man now. You've realized that's a lie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2469.676

Yeah, the thing about video games is the narrative was always video games are a huge waste of time. And if you do it, you're not going to get anywhere in life. The problem with that is now people make a lot of money playing video games. And they've also shown that there's some benefits from video games that leak over into other things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2489.326

Like, for instance, they found out that surgeons who play video games regularly make, what is it, like 25% less errors? Yeah. 37% 37% less errors that's a bit like I would feel like if there was a factor in medical school and they said well if you do not do this you will make 37% more mistakes they would force you To engage in that, whatever it is.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2514.944

It's like whatever particular discipline that was. Like if you want to be a surgeon, you must do this. I would say if you want to be a surgeon, you should fucking play video games because these people are 37% less likely to screw up an operation. That's why I'm not a surgeon. But I'm saying video games are not necessarily a waste of time.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2536.248

And they've also shown there's cognitive benefits that can be gotten from playing video games on a regular basis, which does make sense. But it seems like a frivolous pursuit, whereas chess is like a noble and very respected pursuit.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2603.892

Oh, most certainly. Because video games are very, very addictive. I had to stop playing video games. We used to have a whole local area network at our old studio. We'd all play Quake. And it was a real problem. I just wanted to end the podcast so I could go play Quake. And then we'd play for hours. And eventually got to a point where I was like, okay, I got to quit again.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2625.56

Just cold turkey, never again, leave it alone. Because they're just too fun. And if you have other things, you have obligations, like chess, like you're an actual professional chess player, Call of Duty or whatever you're playing, Quake, it's going to eat your time.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2681.766

Yeah, I think – I mean this is why I've avoided golf and like Tony is big on golf and so is Jamie. It's like I see what it is. I'm sure I would love it but I don't have that time, the time during the day.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2723.679

Yeah, even you fake being happy so you can keep doing it No, no like Yeah, I say that's ruining Canelo Alvarez, you know There's been a lot of criticism in the boxing world and particularly in like, you know some of his promoters and things along those lines where they've criticized his his He's obsessive. He plays every day even when he's in camp. I

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2838.406

Well, it's certainly a stimulating game, right? Because it's hand-eye coordination, calculation, managing the lay of the land, the way the rolls of the hills are, and all those factors. I think this is something that I think people genuinely need in life.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2857.832

And I think it's one of the reasons why people respect chess so much is because they know how difficult it is, and they know that all this is going on, and they see... You two just staring at the board, looking at these pieces and calculating this insane number of possibilities that could emit from each individual move.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2878.1

It's like that stimulation, when someone gets good at a game, I think it's very valuable for you. And I think that can apply to all sorts of things in life. So I agree with you. I would want the president to play golf too. I'd want him to find something, whatever it is. Find a thing that you can excel at other than just being the president. Yeah.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2897.536

Yeah, that would be wild. I wouldn't want that. The president going, fuck it!

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2910.312

Yeah, it is dark. Well, I mean, they literally used PlayStation fucking controllers when they were using drones. I don't know if they still do it now. I think now they have more sophisticated setups. But one of the reasons why they were using them was because so many people were accustomed to those. You get kids that have been playing, you know, Madden 10 hours a day for 15 fucking years.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

293.893

So, unfortunately, this young man, we'll explain the anal beads thing, but this young man is a very talented player, but does have a history of some shenanigans, correct? And even admitted shenanigans. that he did a little bit of cheating in order to move his rating higher so he could play better players.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2931.67

And then you give them the same controller, and they're like, oh yeah, I could fucking drop some bombs on people. Not a problem at all.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2946.442

Well, it really haunts those people, apparently. There's a very specific type of PTSD that drone operators get. Because they see the people sometimes for days in advance. So they're doing surveillance. They're waiting for the moment when they get the green light. They see these people. They see them with their families. They're watching them from above. And then they drop the bombs on them.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2968.023

And then they cease to exist. And this is happening on completely the other side of the world.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2975.612

But if you want to get good at that, you should probably play video games. It's a job for everybody out there, Magnus.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

2989.862

No, probably doesn't work that way. At best, surgeons, just whatever hand-eye coordination that they have is probably so intricate. that they could probably excel at anything. They'd probably get good at video games. Like a very good surgeon who's never played video games would probably get really good at video games really quickly because the communication between your hands and your mind.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3022.235

Yes, right, right, right. Yeah, that's a good point. It's interesting that chess is uniquely the game that's respected. Even if you play golf, people can think, oh, you're a fuck-up. You say you play chess, like, oh, that must be an intelligent man. It's probably the most uniquely rewarded game in terms of the way people respect it in society. Yeah.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3208.736

I think it's really unique about today is that kids today who are coming up are not just studying from books and from coaching, but you can watch so many great games instantaneously anytime you want. This is what's so unique about today. And I think it applies to all sports. I think it applies to all games. I think it applies to stand-up comedy as well.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3231.253

I think it's one of the reasons why the younger guys are so good. It's like you get to see very high level stuff which gets into your mind that this is how to play at a very early age and you can be obsessed and just absorb so much more.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3405.699

I just think it's fascinating human beings' capacity to excel at things and that – you really only know when someone pushes it a little bit further, like this guy playing all these games simultaneously. You know what I mean? If everybody's doing it one way, if everybody's only playing a few games a day and hanging out, you'll probably all stay at the same level.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3430.549

But if you've got one fucking psychopath in the group that's online and is playing and is reading books, that guy is going to pass everybody. And then everybody else realizes, like, oh, that's possible. I could have gotten as good as him. I better really bear down.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3513.324

So there's different types of tournaments, and there's some tournaments that have no time limit for moves? There's always a time limit. What's a traditional time limit?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

352.272

Interesting, okay. So what made you convinced that he was cheating in that particular game? And by what method do you think he could possibly have been doing this? Could you hear something?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3557.651

Did you ever, before you were known, did you ever go to Washington Square Park and play those hustlers?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3655.409

That's fascinating. Can you ever learn something from people that have an unorthodox approach like that?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3738.339

That's really interesting.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3782.207

Um And do you ever decide an opening go fuck I shouldn't done that one.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

38.36

I'm always fascinated by people that are at the top of something that's insanely difficult, like chess. And I'm always wondering, like, how much time is involved? How often do you play? And when did you start? How old were you when you first started playing?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3852.27

So when you say randomize, how many openings do you have that you pursue on a regular basis?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3879.602

And then when you randomize, you just go in your head and one of them stands out for you and you say, okay, this is it.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3890.186

Oh, wow.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

3923.188

That makes sense. Now, you were saying mental energy. You were talking about the spicy Chinese food incident, but do you normally have a method of when you eat, vitamins you take? Is there certain things that you do to optimize your clarity?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4001.627

Do you ever mess around with vitamins or nootropics or anything like that, nutrients that help memory?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4045.413

Just get her to make you up some little packets.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4048.454

I think it'll probably have an impact on you. I mean, it's extraordinary if you think about how good you are without it. Like any little thing that could give you a very slight edge. And I think that vitamins for sure give you a slight edge, particularly nootropics. There's a bunch of different vitamins that have been shown through clinical trials to improve cognitive performance.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4069.65

You know, theanine, there's acetylcholine, a bunch of different things that enhance memory that are essentially just nutrients.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4090.972

Creatine, yes. Creatine was a bodybuilding supplement that was... Almost akin to steroids in the 1990s. People would think it was cheating, and then they realized, well, it's just a component of food. But one of the things that creatine does that's very extraordinary is it aids in performance when you're sleep deprived.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4110.907

So if you ever find yourself sleep deprived and you have to do something where you have to use your mind, creatine is a fantastic supplement for that.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4138.999

Yeah, creatine is something that everybody should take. Men, women, children, everybody should take creatine. It's a really good supplement, super safe, and it aids in strength and muscle recovery and stuff like that, but it also has a lot of cognitive benefits, which is generally just like a very good, safe supplement to take. What does it say here, Jane? Cognitive functions.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4158.177

Studies suggest that creatine supplementation may improve cognitive function, including memory, attention, and reasoning. It may increase brain energy levels by boosting andesine triphosphate production, ATP, which is essential for brain function. Creatine has antioxidant and anti-inflammatory properties that may protect brain cells from damage caused by oxidative stress and neurotoxins.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4179.95

It does a lot of different things. If you Google it, there's a ton of different benefits. I take it in gummy form. I take creatine gummies every day. They're delicious. It's easy. I just pop a bunch of them. Five milligrams? I don't know. Do we have any of those tri-creates here? I don't think so. Yeah, I think I have them out there. But they're great. It's easy.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4198.456

I put a bag in my car, take them all the time. I've noticed a difference. I just think with a guy like you, where your brain is everything. But you're kicking ass, so why listen to me?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4208.698

Eat cheeseburgers and fuck around and see what happens.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4230.433

Yeah, I feel that with podcasting all the time. And the real danger is if my brain's not on full tilt and I'm talking to a scientist, and I'm like, oh, we have to talk about quantum physics. I have to have good questions. I have to be able to follow what you're saying because it's so esoteric. It's weird that the brain just doesn't always work exactly how you want it to.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4282.984

Do you have a specific thing you do when you're feeling not on top of your game? Do you double check things in your mind? Do you have a process you follow?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4316.226

So what is the mindset? If you're in a world championship game and it's down to these, what is the state of mind like when you're in the middle of it?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4344.314

The work is already done. You already know the game. So now it's just reacting and moving and calculating.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4486.861

So this, as you've gotten older, this lowering expectations, is that a recognition of the fact that being hard on yourself over minute details doesn't benefit you and that you've just had a more healthy approach?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

451.322

That's so fascinating that as an elite chess player, you'd be able to recognize that something is happening that's outside of his capabilities.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4520.785

Have you ever consulted a mental coach or someone who works with people on mindsets to try to capture what is happening when you are in that complete total flow state of laser focusedness and try to recreate that? Because there's a bunch of different mind coaches that will tell you for a bunch of different pursuits that...

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4546.241

What you have to do is when you get to that state, whatever that state is, recognize that you're there and then try to get a map of the territory and try to will yourself back into that thing. But then there's another school of thought that says, no, it just has to happen organically and that you just need to be obsessed and focused. and take care of yourself and meditate.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4575.908

When it comes, it's going to come, but you have to accept that it's a gift, and it's just not always going to be there.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4654.79

like back in the days with classical tournaments like you could you could have a really bad day uh but then you can always bounce back but nowadays it's not it's not that easy do you ever try to map out what are the factors that lead you to hit that state that's that flow state do you ever try to think about your day like what did i do what did i eat how did i sleep did i avoid toxic people around me did i stay offline like what did i do that allowed me to get to that spot

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4704.899

Really? Little as possible?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4706.68

Because you want it to be fresh in your mind? You want it to be something exciting?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4797.301

So get inspired a little bit, a little bit of energy from watching NBA highlights, right?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4802.865

Just a tiny amount of information from the coach. Just like get your brain locked in, but not too much energy. Don't focus too much on it.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4857.131

Do you ever get to the point where you feel burnout or you want to just take days off, a week off, and not think about chess, not touch a chessboard? Or is it just constantly playing in the background no matter what you do?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4909.612

That's probably why you're one of the best of all time, if not the best. I mean, that's a beautiful approach, right? If you can find a thing that you love so much that even though you do it all the time and you've done it since you were a child, you're still obsessing and loving it.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4944.429

Well, that's a beautiful way to live your life. If people can find a thing like that in their life, that really is the key to an enjoyable life. If the thing that you do all the time you're obsessed with, and we talk about it all the time at our comedy club, we're all in the green room. We're like, we are so lucky that this is actually what we do for a job.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

4964.978

And pretty much everybody who's good at it is obsessed with it, and they think about it all the time. It's kind of the only way. But I'd need time off sometimes because I think that's different because it's always different ideas and different things you're working on. Sometimes you need time just to refresh your perspective. But with a game like chess, I guess you don't really need time off.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5015.758

Well, you're just very fortunate. You found a thing that you really locked into. That perspective is very important for people to recognize, like the perspective of gratitude, of appreciation that you're so fortunate to have found something. People go their whole lives and never find a thing that they're truly, absolutely passionate about.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5037.905

And for a guy like you, I mean, it's a shiny example for people, I think. I think that's one of the things that I enjoy the most about super high performers is that they provide an insane amount of inspiration to other people. When someone sees you play chess at the highest level or sees Michael Jordan play basketball or whatever it is, you get this feeling of what human beings can do.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5063.239

And it elevates your own expectations of yourself and of people around you.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5115.282

Well, that's what people want out of life is something that they love, that they do, that they're very good at and they get recognized for it. And when a person like you does it and does it publicly and it's inspiring, it's a great gift for other people. I mean, it truly is.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5132.794

Who has been, um, like, are there particular players that you really enjoy watching play and particular styles that you enjoy? Uh,

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5297.022

When you are playing someone like that and you're getting your ass kicked, does this inspire you and enact change in your game? Or does it not change your game, you just do the same game but more focused?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5433.795

I think another factor is the way you analyze things, that you were able to say, I was a little delusional, and even though I'm doing very well, I got to trust in this process of growth and development, and that it is a very, very long process.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5460.208

What can a guy like Garry Kasparov tell you that makes you know that you know even less?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5551.255

What is a coach for you today? What benefit is a coach today?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5631.311

Do you occasionally, or do you at all, analyze other people's games and break them down together?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5674.123

Isn't it fascinating that that's a gigantic factor now ever since Deep Blue, right?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5813.753

The computer is. But I think a new factor is that the computer has devised creative moves that were never used before that have now been implemented. They're part of like general strategy, which I think they thought was very shocking. See if you can find anything about that. Is that kind of bluffing moves? I do not know because I don't understand Go.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

5835.748

I was just reading an article about the extraordinary leaps that AI has taken and that one of the more shocking things was that it was able to beat the best players at Go, which they thought was like a long time coming.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

594.143

The problem is once someone admits that they cheated a game, especially a game that has a lot of trust in it like chess, you're always going to think, is he cheating now? Always. But the question is, what method?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6083.403

So what are the best programs that people play on?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6107.532

So do you have to be connected online to use that?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6119.784

So the kind of computing power that's on your phone, can you beat your phone at the highest level?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6129.114

No chance. That's so crazy because Deep Blue, wasn't it like as big as a room? Yeah.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6426.468

It's almost counterintuitive that you wouldn't want to play the computer because the computer makes you look stupid. Because the idea in my mind would be like, well, you should play the best thing that you could possibly play. And if that's a computer, great. If that's another human being, then play the human being.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6443.157

But I would imagine that playing something that makes you feel stupid would at the very least teach you something about the game.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6539.225

Could you help explain to me what are the factors? What is it doing that you can't do in terms of calculating positions and moves and strategies?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6607.899

So it's not really a mistake.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6620.047

What is the difference between the approach that the neural network takes versus a traditional engine? Why is one of them approaching the game differently?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6707.583

Wow. So these neural networks could go back and look at a classic game from like 1963 and say, well, you know what? I would have fucked that dude up because I would have done this, that, and the other thing.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6806.124

That is so fascinating that it's changed the game so much. Could you get a computer, whether it is a traditional engine or whether it's a neural network, could you get one to imitate a specific style? Like, could you get one to say, I want you to play like Garry Kasparov when he was younger?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6882.854

The interesting thing would be to take you, because there's so many games that can be observed and put into the calculations. And then I would really be fascinated to watch you play you. You know? I mean, like, what would that be like? Like, you play you when you were 20.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

6956.592

Yeah, are you better now than ever before?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

7115.131

Well, you're saying you were in the best shape of your life. Do you mean physically or do you mean just physically? Physically, yeah. Well, there's two factors you're talking about, like physical fitness and nutrition and exercise. These things you don't really take too much into consideration, but they obviously played a huge factor in the most successful period of your life.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

713.976

Yeah, so the anal beads thing, for people who don't know what we're talking about, the theory was that he had vibrating anal beads that would somehow or another through some sort of code explain to him the moves. And I've thought about this for a lot longer than I care to admit. Like what kind of code are you getting from inside your butt that you're like, okay, I got it.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

7167.536

But is that generally accepted with chess that there's a certain age where it just drops off? Who has won the world championships at like the oldest age?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

7319.366

It would drive me fucking nuts if I was just fully obsessed and studying moves all day and just taking my vitamins and drinking only purified water.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

7397.023

Yeah, there's not much you can do about your reputation.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

7428.8

That's a Miyamoto Musashi move. Samurai?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

7448.098

You are terrible at planning. You know how funny that is? It's literally what you do. Better than anybody.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

745.589

Luckily, I brought one.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

7549.967

That would be such a mindfuck. Guy shows up two and a half minutes late and still stomps you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

758.073

So, like, the first three vibrations would be letter C, and then, yeah, okay. Yeah.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

7691.566

It's just weird that you can cheat and do it for so long and yet still play in the best tournaments. You would think that in the UFC, say if you get caught with steroids, you get a long ban. And if you get caught again, you get an even longer ban. And I think it's like a three-strike thing. If you get caught a third time, you're out of the sport forever. Yeah.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

7785.877

Yeah. Well, I guess that's just with every pursuit. There's always going to be people that look for shortcuts. There's always going to be someone who looks to skirt around the difficult path.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

7871.831

How would you eliminate that other than security? Would you have it so there's no audience members at all and have them only in a room?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

788.069

That's crazy.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

789.85

Yeah. Dirty people out there. It's wild. Well, it's such a competitive thing. Whenever you have competitive things, you always have people that just want to win at any cost. Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

7942.471

So you can listen to Wu-Tang Clan while you play chess? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

7995.006

Norwegian rap, really? What's a good Norwegian rap band or rap group that you could recommend?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

8015.283

Oh, that sounds badass.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

8029.872

That's incredible.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

8039.875

I like it too because I don't have any idea what the words are saying.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

8094.813

Yeah.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

814.95

That's hilarious.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

8179.544

I find out through the young guys at the club. I'm like, what are you listening to? What is this? And I'll do Shazam on it and put it on my Spotify playlist.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

818.152

So is that the most egregious form of cheating that you've ever seen or heard of?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

8210.765

So I'm kind of the opposite of that. Well, that's awesome. Well, listen, man, it's been awesome having you in here. I really appreciate you doing this. And tell everybody when the Netflix show is out.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

8225.853

Jamie, do you know? I didn't say. Didn't say when it's coming out. Well, we will put it up on the Instagram when it's out. And it's been awesome talking to you, man. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for coming in. All right, Tony. Fun times. All right. Goodbye, everybody.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

856.538

It is such a fascinating game because it's impossible to play if you're dumb. There's games that you could just be a savant, like an idiot savant. But chess is the most impressive thing for people to be unbelievably good at.

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

932.259

So for a guy like you that excels above all, what is the difference in your preparation? Is it just simply who you are as a person, you think? Or is it something about the difference in your preparation without giving away any secrets, obviously?

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#2275 - Magnus Carlsen

963.393

What do you mean lazy? Like, how is that possible?

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#2215 - Graham Hancock

2226.441

Absolutely.

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#2215 - Graham Hancock

2866.102

Something's driving it.

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#2215 - Graham Hancock

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The Joe Rogan Experience.

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#2215 - Graham Hancock

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Yeah.

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#2215 - Graham Hancock

4679.581

Mm-hmm.

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#2215 - Graham Hancock

70.815

6,000?

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#2215 - Graham Hancock

8287.213

Very difficult.

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#2215 - Graham Hancock

8407.806

Yeah.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10004.394

Oh, okay.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10006.076

Oh, that shit's fascinating, man.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10035.938

It's at the perfect spot.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10040.96

It's like if you had La Brea Tar Pits to yourself, man.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10068.575

No, it is.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10074.982

Yeah, that's a fascinating setup. You should go to visit this guy's property.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10087.755

Oh.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10089.277

I imagine not. That shit gets pretty complicated in a hurry, man. It gets a little archaeological.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10095.083

we uh we did one on the we did one on the the lost roanoke colony and um there's archaeologists working on what happened at the ross lost roanoke colony and the minute you um bring up like human remain conversations people it's just like shut the up yeah because things get real weird enormously complicated yeah i recently met a guy that does um he's a he's pueblo and so he's from one of the pueblos in new mexico

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10119.409

And his whole focus is on, he does repatriation for his Pueblo. Like, you know, for people not familiar with the Pueblo, it'd be like basically, you know, it's akin to a tribe, right? He works on repatriation for his tribe. Mostly focuses on remains.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10134.588

Getting back the remains of his ancestors from all these museums and stuff. They want them back. And I had said to him in this conversation, I'd said, hey, why can't there be like a deal to be struck where you just say to the museum like, okay, you keep one gram of that bone for your work. Keep a gram of the bone and give the rest back to us. He said that would never be acceptable to us.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10164.878

Be like the same way as someone went and dug your grandpa's bones out of a graveyard. And later you're like, hey, give me my grandpa back. I'm like, no, we're keeping it. Really? Yeah. We're going to do studies on them. God, it's so complicated. Yeah, I think that it would be finding that.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1018.125

Yeah, I thought some of that was...

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10185.841

And then what complicates a lot of that human remains stuff too, especially with stuff that he's talking about, stuff he has is as old as it did, is there's a little bit of a... a little bit of a question, like the groups that are there now, peoples that are there now, were they the peoples that were there before? You know, because people move all the time, right?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10205.757

You just look at like how the Comanche moved, look how the Sioux were in the upper Midwest and areas of Minnesota and wound up, you know, coming westward and all this movement. So when you have bones, there's always a question of, well, who, you know, typically it goes like this. It was like, who was currently on the land

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1021.586

Just weird and how avoidable it was a hundred percent avoidable, but pathological liars people that are habitual liars They just lie all the time about everything, but there's a way There's a way you can do it where it's sort of like no one's ever gonna know And there's things you can feel about they're just fine that you find out in five seconds So you wonder about making the call to embellish something that a person could?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10224.568

But when you're talking about bones that are 10, 11, 12,000 years old, there's like a little bit of a, in my mind, there's a little bit of a question of like, well, who do you, how do you know that that person's direct descendants aren't in New Mexico? You know, think about how much time passed. Like, are you giving them, like, is it the wrong, are you giving them to the wrong people?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10247.699

Yeah, because people moved all over the damn place.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10251.694

But with the Pueblos, it is not that. With the Pueblos, it is people that have had occupation on these places for hundreds of years, and people just came in and hauled their ancestors out. Wow. To stick them in museums. I was at a museum with my kids over Christmas break. I was at a museum in Chicago. And we go into this exhibit and all the walls or all the displays are papered. So you can't see.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10273.808

And there was a sign that just said, like, we're in a, there's a, we're in a repatriation issue. So they blocked it all. Wow. I don't even know what was behind the paper. Whatever the display was, they're in a custody battle over their display and blocked it for view. And years ago I went to Salta to look at those children of the corn. You ever hear about those children, those Incan children?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10299.279

They left on that mountaintop and they kind of freeze dried. They have three of these children they found, but whatever the deal they made with the Incan, the contemporary Incan peoples, the deal they made is they'll only display one at a time. And, um, when I went, it was the, it was the child that had been struck by lightning after the fact.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10328.157

Perfectly preserved. Even like the feathers are perfect. Yeah. Not quite stand up and walk away. Yeah. But I mean, like, perfect, you know, perfect. But yeah, there's someone probably I haven't followed that situation, but someone is probably saying, I don't want my. You know, I don't want my ancestor in your decorating your museum.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10361.242

Oh, no shit.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10364.503

He found that like that?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10375.126

Huh.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10377.514

No shit.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10389.187

He's a fun dude, too.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10403.121

Thanks for letting me plug it, man.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10405.622

I appreciate you letting me come on and plug it.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10409.203

I like that, man. 12 years ago.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10412.805

It's your biggest animal to date.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10418.227

Was it really?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10422.143

Well, again, appreciate your generosity. Especially appreciate it. Let me come on and plug my project.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

10429.167

And if you hung out with a dude in Canada in the 70s named John the Baptist, let me know. Yeah, let him know. I got to put it to rest. I can't stop thinking about that guy. All right. Bye, everybody.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1046.931

answer on their phone

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1051.618

Like almost as you're saying it.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1093.911

Yeah. You ever going to run for governor?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1101.139

I can picture down the road, man. You might be like, I want to be governor of Texas.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1128.103

He nodded.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

113.929

I'm not ready yet. I got to get back out.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1157.019

Yeah, maybe he wouldn't like being governor. Fuck that.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1168.165

No.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1187.797

Yeah.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1189.759

Part of the impetus that pushes people into it is that they want to reverse that. But I think that then there's a magnetic pull that takes you in the direction of being perhaps what you wanted to get.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

13.939

That was a long exhale.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1385.231

Oh, I mean like ideas in psychology.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1389.934

Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah. Absorb the way they think.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1399.5

Yeah.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1413.77

Yeah, that kind of psychological infection.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

143.111

Yeah, I think about it. But my wife's smart enough to worry about what would happen to us if we didn't have, like, you know, dragons to slay.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1446.306

It got so crazy. You'd expressed that publicly in the past.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

151.012

You know, she feels that it might be essential.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1607.233

Oh, you know what's funny? I was going to tell you about on the way down here, I happened to be sitting across from one of our senators from Montana. And after when the flight was getting off, you know, it's hilarious. This old timer comes by him and legitimately, I'm not joking, legitimately brings up to him potholes on the road. Yeah. Really? On the airplane.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1634.878

He's like, you've got to do something about these potholes. I'm outside of Belgrade, and these potholes are terrible.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1646.266

No, I know, but it's almost like a cliche. But, you know, the thing with their night, guys that I grew up with – like a fish that was very central to our upbringing was a fish called smelt. It was different kinds of smelt. So we had a rainbow smelt and they live in the Great Lakes. And so in the spring when the smelt run, it was a big deal to go smelt dipping.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1670.058

And we would smelt dip them with drop nets and dip nets. It was a huge thing. And when smelt numbers were really high, it was just like, it kind of brought everybody together.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1681.442

The smelt run.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1682.662

So the other night, someone had taken out a clip where someone had taken out a chunk of an article in my friend's circle and had sent me a thing where Trump had called the Delta smelt like a basically useless fish. And and I was like, I feel like there needs to be like a like an article in the Constitution that the president cannot shit talk, smell, you know.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

17.242

Is this Trump's chair?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1708.081

But then I realized it was a different smelt. So I cooled off once I realized it was the Delta smelt and not our beloved rainbow smelt.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1727.754

Yeah, but I do get, like, my hackles get up when my hackles get up about disparaging fishes and birds.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

184.309

Yeah. But I look at people like that and, you know, part of looking at Biden and Trump would be at that age. Like I plan on at that age to be like really kicking it. Just screwing around outside.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1844.324

It's a mix. You know, one of the kind of contradictions you encounter with stuff like this, and I've been a little bit involved in this the last few years as I started going down.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1855.06

to the gulf of mexico to spearfish on the oil rigs and so the oil rigs are they're imagine like a vertical coral reef you know you i don't want to call it but by no means i want to call the gulf a desert but i mean you could if you're away from the rigs you could swim along the surface for miles potentially Right.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1879.308

If you're just swimming with a snorkel and mask, you can swim along the surface for miles and not encounter fish. I mean, it's kind of where you're seeing them in front of your face.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1888.417

And you pull up to a rig and it's it's hung in fish. I mean, it's it's they're draped in thousands of fish. OK, so, you know, you grow up with this idea. If you just have a passive understanding of all the stuff you grow up this idea that like. Oil exploration equals a diminishing of natural life, a diminishing of wildlife.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1912.706

And you go and there's this big debate where certain people want to pull the abandoned rigs out. But you have fishermen... who are like, they're here now, leave them, because that's where all the fish are. And it's this very spirited debate, and different administrations will have different plans. They had a program like Idle Iron, which was to pull them out.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1938.698

There was a program called Rigs to Reefs, which is to tip them over so they're not navigational hazards. The shrimpers don't like them because they cause navigational obstructions. You can hang your gear up on them. But all the rod and reel fishermen and all the spear fishermen want the rigs there. So you wind up in a situation like that where it's this real complexity.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1959.823

And you can picture, you know, it puts people in a situation, in viewing it, it puts you in a situation where it's not that clean.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1968.105

You know, like you're creating. I mean, they... You always hate to say it because you're supposed to be – most people from the environmental movement are anti-oil exploration. But then you go and look and be like they created – accidentally created an unbelievable fishery in the Gulf. And there's dudes now – I got buddies that spearfish there and fish there.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

1994.451

And it's like, remember in Star Wars, the original Star Wars, where they go to that fucking planet and the planet's gone? It's like, hey, shouldn't the planet be here, you know? That scene. I've been with buddies of mine and they got GPS marks for rigs. And you show up and it's like Star Wars. It's like you show up and the rig's not there anymore.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2013.247

Because there's these ships out there called rig reapers that are out plucking the rigs. And they're plucking them faster than they can put them in. But it's got all the fishermen pissed off.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

202.969

But that just thing, like to perform to the bitter end, man.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2023.12

Yeah, they want them there now, man.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2089.475

You know, you remember the writer Tom, was it Tom Robbins or Tim Robbins? No, Tim Robbins is the actor, right? Right, right. Tom Robbins, skinny legs and all, jitterbug perfume. He had a line where, like in Hawaii, they had this famous thing where they had a rat problem. And then they brought in mongooses to kill the rats. And then now they got a mongoose problem.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

209.692

Trying to perform to the bitter end.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

21.605

I want to soak up some of the tenacity, man.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2112.45

He had some line that like, we used to have a crime problem. Then we brought in cops. But it's like my first – you're talking about political involvement. My first time I ever approached anything remotely political was on the lake I grew up on. We had an invasive seaweed, an invasive aquatic plant called Eurasian milfoil. And it grew in our lake, but it made unbelievable fish habitat.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

213.454

Yeah, trying to keep at it.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2142.199

And at the time, I was not hip enough to understand the deleterious effects of non-native vegetation. I just knew that when you wanted to catch a fish, you went to the milfoil bed because all the fish were hiding in the milfoil. And they had this proposal to come in and kill all the milfoil in all the lakes. And I went down. I remember I was in high school. I went down.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2162.156

I remember I was the sole person there to represent like the milfoil side of the argument. And then they did it. They went in and poisoned all the milfoil out of the lakes in hopes of bringing in the native seaweeds would take hold. But I mean, it absolutely transformed the lake.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2179.886

And from a fishery perspective, not a perspective of native habitat, but from a pounds of fish perspective, the pounds of fish, like the biomass of fish declined by pulling out the weeds. Yeah.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2195.841

You know, and it's again, like some, on one hand you look like, well, why would you mess up with this? There's fish everywhere. And some people be like, well, it's not a native plant and we need to value native wildlife at the expense of what, you know, a high schooler would look at as like, it's where the fish are.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2210.376

You know?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2217.582

Remaining a good fishery.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2228.633

The other enormously destructive thing that they've done around the lakes where I grew up on is so much of that lake life relies on what you call the littoral zone, the shoreline zone. And most of these fish species, they like it to be dirty, meaning weeds, fallen over trees. Like it creates all kinds of habitat, right, for little stuff to hide.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2253.452

And on these lakes where I grew up in Michigan, there's been a tendency over the years to round up, put round up on your shoreline and then haul in beach sand. And you just watch over the years. Like, over the course of my lifetime, you just watch this, like, really, like, verdant, kind of, like, vibrant environment become increasingly like a swimming pool. In a lot of those lakes, man.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2277.867

And it's just been depressing to watch happen.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2291.098

Well, they have state-advised research I've always ignored. I've always ignored.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2297.362

No. But you want to know, I might have told you this story, man. Did I ever tell you a story about this?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2302.153

Well, I'll tell it real quick. So I grew up with a guy named Ron Spring. Yes. I'll tell you the Ron Spring story. Go ahead, though. Please do.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2314.306

Okay. I grew up with this guy, Ron Spring, and for a living, he was a commercial bait fisherman. And he would catch wigglers, minnows, he'd dig crawlers, catch leeches, and he would supply bait and tackle shops with live bait. And he had spring sporting goods where he sold his own live bait. And he would even hire women to...

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2336.221

So what's called a spawn sack where you take little bits of pieces of salmon roe, salmon eggs, and sew them into a little mesh bag for steelhead bait. He was just in the bait business, but also was a fishing fanatic and lived off fish his whole life. So he was living off Great Lakes fish his whole life.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2352.492

And the University of Montana started trying to track down old-timers who'd eaten enormous quantities of Great Lakes fish to test them for heavy metals exposure and other toxic things in the environment. And he'd lived his whole life like me with complete defiance of health advisory suggestions about fish consumption.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2376.481

Um, and he goes down there and he, and he would go in every month or two for these little batteries of tests. And one of the things they would do with them is they would tell them they'd give them a grocery list and they'd be like, Hey, you gotta go to the store and buy like bread, eggs, cheese, butter, whatever.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2392.286

And then he'd wait a minute and they'd say, what were you supposed to buy at the store? You know, and he's telling me this story and he told me, I was laughing. He said, um, Steve, I wouldn't have remembered that list if I never ate a piece of fish in my life.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2412.439

Yeah, they were trying to. Presumably, they tested his blood and found something of interest. And so they were trying to figure out what happens to a guy. But I lived in Seattle, right on Lake Washington, and we would catch a lot of yellow perch. Because...

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

242.228

Yeah.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2427.455

People, they're full of yellow perch, which are non-native, and everyone in that area in the Pacific Northwest is like a trout and salmon snob. So I had the whole fishery to myself. You could go out and catch easily 100-plus yellow perch out of Lake Washington, but they had a health advisory on them, and you weren't supposed to.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2446.447

They would tell you that perch over 12 inches, you're only supposed to eat one meal a month or some shit like that. But we just wouldn't keep them over 12 inches. Because there weren't that many over 12 inches anyways. And we'd just eat them all the time. I would have fish fries. And when you fried fish in the Great Lakes, there's no person in the Great Lakes region that I was aware of.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

245.029

How long do you think, if you had to guess, how long would you do this podcast?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2465.037

Like in Michigan, there's no person that would even kind of give a shit about these restrictions. They would be surprised to hear that there were any kind of restrictions. But like the way the different sentiments and different mentalities run in Seattle, you'd have people that like they're like, you caught it where Lake Washington? No way.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2483.889

Just like a level of awareness from an urban environment about those kind of toxins. And growing up where I grew up, it was just not a thing that people discussed, even though they're right in the fishing rigs.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

249.811

Really?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2502.519

Man, I think it's, like, it's mercury, it's certain industrial solvents.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2509.203

And I think that with Lake Washington, there was a lot... Correct me if I... Maybe I'm wrong. Like, as I say this, I might be wrong. I think there was things around bowing plants and old solvents and stuff that went in the water. And then... But mercury... which comes from different ways. They have ways of scrubbing it now and greatly reducing the amount of mercury when you burn coal.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2531.923

But for a long time, mercury would come from the combustion of coal and it would be distributed globally. evenly everywhere. So it didn't, it didn't necessarily matter if you were, it didn't matter if you're eating a pelagic fish. I mean, if you're eating like a passivorous pelagic fish would seem to be the worst.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2552.206

Fish that live their life up at the surface. Okay. And then ones that eat fish that eat fish that eat fish are the worst. So picture you got like a, like a, like a Marlin, right? He's eating tuna. Tuner are eating fish that are eating fish, and so they magnify and accumulate all this stuff in their fat. That's globally distributed in the oceans. And they've slowed down mercury.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2577.423

They've slowed down how much mercury is going out because of the ways they scrub when they burn coal now. But it's stagnant in the environment.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2586.849

No.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

26.489

It took me a long time, man. It took me a long time to see it. Like, I remember people would talk, you know, there was this thing when he emerged on the scene, it was this thing about, like, toughness. And I'd always defined, like, in my mind, toughness was being able to go through some, like, alder-choked hellhole real fast or hike up a hill. So I was like, that's not tough.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2607.003

Oh, really?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2647.172

I work with a guy, Seth, and he kind of had this perfect storm where we had been in Hawaii, so we had wahoo and yellowfin tuna and he fishes in Alaska, so he had all his halibut And then he's got a bunch of walleye that he catches, you know, he's a big walleye fisherman that he catches locally. And he wound up, had like, there's kind of like a long-term mercury deal and a short-term mercury deal.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2672.855

But he had mercury poisoning. His hands went numb.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2676.218

and stuff oh yeah and then i got to read about it there's like various cases where um there's this other case that's kind of interesting this guy gets on a cruise ship never doesn't eat fish this guy like doesn't have fish in his diet it was a thing that was covered in the news and he gets on the cruise a cruise and they have all you can eat sushi things so he wants to get his money's worth and so he's gorging himself on this all you can eat sushi during the course of his cruise and generates like uh generates mercury poisoning

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2702.102

Like a short-term version, you know? And dudes I hang out with in Hawaii that have access to a lot of big, passivorous fish, they'll sort of like deliberately pace themselves, you know? Like they could live off tuna, right? But they'll deliberately pace themselves, keeping in mind the amount of that stuff you're getting in. And RFK Jr., I had RFK Jr.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2723.439

on the show, on our podcast, and he had had mercury poisoning.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2729.324

Yeah.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2734.89

Yeah. So maybe I've had it. I don't know. I don't need, I would, well, no, I've had my blood tested. I don't know, but, but I can't picture the sentiment I have about as a friend of mine, um, who fishes flathead catfish, which have, they accumulate a lot of bio or not biotoxins. They accumulate a lot of heavy metals. And he said, and we were talking about eating this stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2258 - Steven Rinella

2756.896

And he said, if I can eat, if I can catch and eat so many big flatheads that it kills me, I win.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

2775.083

No.

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I met Ted's kid last night.

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Rocco. Yeah, good kid.

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Well, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, right now it's cervids. Oh, just cervids? Cervids, yeah.

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Well, they did. You know when you do – I don't want to get in over my waiters here, but I'd love to talk about CWD at length, but sometimes you can do a – If someone does medical research and they'll have a finding, there's a term for it. Let's say you have a finding that's alarming, but you haven't done peer review yet. Right.

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But let's say I just all of a sudden made some discovery that had huge implications and people would need to become immediately aware of what I might have found out. Right. There's a term for it where you would release these findings. You release these like preliminary findings, even though it hasn't been held up to academic rigor because it's of such importance.

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Like a lot of times you don't get to skip that step. But in cases of medical, you get to skip a step and say, like, hey, hang tight. We're not all the way there yet. But look, this is kind of alarming. They had a case, and it all corroded, but these guys had a case where they were able to infect a rhesus monkey with CWD. But then it wasn't replicable, didn't hold up.

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Do you picture walking away from stand-up before you'd walk away from podcasts?

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But when things like that happen, they tend to get a ton of media coverage. But then down the road, the media doesn't follow suit. There's been cases where there was one not long ago where they were looking at people that had this rare form of dementia, and they found that of these people that had this rare form of dementia, a couple of them were deer hunters who lived in CWD areas.

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So they come out with a, hey, everybody, check this out. But then it winds up being that when you do a statistical analysis on it, It was no different than anything else. There was no reason that it wasn't like they scored higher, that deer hunters scored higher, or nothing.

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Yeah, and so it's like a certain number of people eat dementia, a certain number of people eat venison, and statistically you're going to have some overlap if you survey enough people. So even though they gave a big heads up, it won't be a nothing there. But yeah, CWD... It's a highly infectious disease. It was first identified in Colorado on a research facility, not a game farm.

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It was first identified on a cervid research facility in Colorado, I believe in the early 70s. And then there's been a debate. Some people feel that it was always there and wasn't detected.

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right and that we that it wasn't like we found it the minute it came out it was just it would perhaps had been there and then we discovered that it was always there um but it does it does expand its range all the time right Even in the last few years, we've had our first cases in Montana.

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I'm just starting to wonder. I'm just starting to have all these questions.

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And we keep every year we add like without fail every year we find CWD in states where it didn't previously exist or within states that have CWD. We find CWD in counties that didn't have it. Oftentimes you can look and it makes sense because it flows. But now and then you get these weird jumps. Right.

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Where something jumps a big moat of inactivity and then all of a sudden you get like a new hotspot and you look and be like, well, how did if it's an infectious disease and deer aren't flying in airplanes, how did it jump? Some of the jumps people tie it to transporting. There's.

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A theory that is well accepted in a lot of circles would be that moving cervids, moving deer and elk to penned operations has facilitated the movement of CWD. What it used to mean to be, if someone was a CWD denier before, it would be that they denied that it was a thing. Like there is no disease called CWD.

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It's generally accepted now that there's a disease called CWD, but now the debate is sort of does it matter or not, right? Our mutual friend Doug Dern is heavily involved in CWD, combating CWD, trying to get more money spent to understand CWD. And you're looking at there's two risks with CWD. One risk is that ultimately it's going to lead to like destruction of deer herds.

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Meaning if you get like, it's always fatal. And if infection rates get to a certain point, we're going to lose deer, right? Like if it's always fatal and you have infection rates of 50 or 60% and it takes a couple of years to kill them, like you're going to run out of big bucks because nothing can live long enough. The other fear is that it jumps the barrier and becomes a human pathogen, you know?

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So people, you know, all the hunters I know, like the, the question we always talk about is like, do you, uh, do you, would you eat CWD positive meat? You know?

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So Yanni, Yanni was recently with a guy and he's like, he's eaten him and his family have eaten four CWD positive deer.

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Man, I couldn't serve it to my kids.

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wouldn't eat it myself either i can't serve my kids i don't i have annoyingly eat it but here's the thing here's the rub um i've said this number before and people like that's not true but it's true i'm telling you hundreds of thousands of people have eaten cwd positive hundreds of thousands of people have eaten cwd positive meat i would imagine that's true yeah yeah over many decades yeah right so at what point do you at what point do you get comfortable

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Yeah.

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It hasn't.

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You know the debate between prion and prion? No.

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Well, the biologist Jim Heffelfinger, that'd be a very good guy for you to have on your show someday. The biologist Jim Heffelfinger sent me a thing where the guy that named it, the guy that coined the term, spelled out phonetically how it's supposed to be pronounced. So then I was like, okay, I'm going to stick with Preon now. If the guy that came up with it says Preon.

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And not Prion. He's like, we'll call it this and we'll pronounce it this way.

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Now I'm trying to, I always try to remember which one it is. And it's, yeah, it's Preon. It's scary, dude. It's scary. And Doug, I said this a hundred times before, like, If I say, man, the main thing I'm worried about is people getting it, that pisses Doug off. Because Doug's worried about that we're going to lose big bucks. And people. He likes healthy deer.

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He doesn't want a disease running through his deer herd. It hasn't jumped to cows or anything else. No. See, that's one area where... I'm going to get myself in trouble, Doug, in all kinds of ways. Because that's the thing I think about. I'm not saying the ag world is complacent. I'm not saying they're complacent. There's a lot of interest in the agricultural community to understand CWD better.

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But if you look and be like, dude, a cow looks a hell of a lot more like a deer than I do. I'm just going to watch the cow. And all of a sudden these cows start getting sick. Then my ass is going to get nervous. Right. But I'm like, they're rubbing noses with these deer.

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Sure. And you can't kill that shit.

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That's a good point, man. It's a good point. These are all questions I had never really thought about, but I'd be more interested in them after I crossed that threshold.

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I remember some politician was like, well, just cook your deer meat longer. And I was like, well, I can't remember what it is. You can't cook deer meat to 1,400 degrees. Yeah, you'd have to incinerate it. Or whatever else it becomes. But yeah, cooking it isn't the thing. It can survive. That's why if you hunt, there's a lot of restrictions now on moving carcasses around.

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So more and more states are implementing that when you go home, they don't want you bringing the head home. They don't want you bringing the bones home. I also fear for a time, and it'd just be terrible, fear for a time where you couldn't bring anything. They really restrict movement. It's very easy to comply with not moving bones. It's easy to comply with not moving brain matter.

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That's easy, right? But picture that this gets out of hand and all of a sudden it's like you can't move venison across county lines. That's crazy. I don't know. No one's thrown this out there, but as they look at further and further restrictions, it's scary. And so from a guy like – I don't want to speak for Nugent, but from his idea of being overblown is his idea would be –

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Like I said, I hate speaking for the guy. It would be that here we are making policy changes, making game management changes, making rule changes, adjusting what you can and can't do in the woods based off a thing that most people would be like, but we haven't proven there's a problem. That would be his perspective on it. My perspective is it's scary as shit.

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And as much as our government right now is trying to find a way to stop spending so much money, I support any money that can get spent on finding out if this can be a real problem or not. I'll find other places to get the money, but I'd like to channel taxpayer dollars there. Billions of them into making sure deer meat stays safe. That's my kind of pork barrel spending.

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They're looking at ways to test live animals. Then there's other cockamamie ideas that... One would be that some deer seem to be some deer. Yeah. And so that you'd you'd move these resilient deer. into other populations to try to breed in some kind of resiliency, which, you know, it's a wild animal.

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That's the other thing is that we're all like me, everybody, cause I guarantee I've eaten CWD infected meat. The other concern is we all got it. We just don't know it yet. Cause it takes 10 years. But they've been tracking these dudes that went to a fire department fundraiser.

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They had 100-some people that ate a bunch of CWD-infected meat at a fire department fundraiser, and they keep following up on those people and following up on those people. And they haven't got it. How long ago was this? It was over a decade ago. So that's the other thing is that we all got it, like all these hunters.

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I don't think this is true, but some people are like, all these hunters, they don't know it yet, but it could be that all of a sudden in 10 years they all start dropping like flies or develop dementia. Oh, yeah. I don't, it's such a, I really think that, um, I don't like to see any kind of wildlife disease, right? Of course. I do believe, um,

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If you look at prevalency rates and you look at the fact that it's always fatal, whether or not removing the human question to it, I do think that you will find that it'll become harder to produce big deer. I worry about that. And it'd be easy to track. Just go and look at Boone and Crockett entries. Over time from all these counties.

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So go to like Buffalo County, Wisconsin, like a famous giant whitetail producing place, right? They get high rates of CWD prevalency. If you put a line on CWD prevalency, then you put a line on Boone and Crockett entries. and you're able to track this over many years because we have all this data, does it correlate? Does CWD prevalency drive down big bucks?

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I'm sure some mathematician out there has started to try to look at if it's true, but a lot of people on the ground say that you do see population-level impact from CWD. And I'm guessing there's no way it doesn't affect participation.

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meaning that people that would like to hunt and the whole promise of wild meat is you're getting like really healthy meat, you're able to control the food chain, but then all of a sudden you throw in this question of like, well, But it could give you a prion disease, hypothetically. That's going to dampen people's enthusiasm about deer.

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And I'd hate to see we get to a point where when I look at a deer, I look at a deer with great enthusiasm and love. What happens when we look at deer and we look at them like a disease vector? Right. Does it become like like do you view it like a rat or you see a rat and you like recoil? Like I don't want that shit in my yard.

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They carry disease, don't they?

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Yeah. Like picture down the road that like deer, which are this like universally loved, praised animal, this kind of like symbol of the American outdoorsman becomes like a year. That's shit out of my yard.

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A lot of testing, yeah.

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Man, they have, I think that on Doug's place, I think that last year, I don't know if they got all the results from this year, but I think last year they had close to 50% of bucks. Yeah. It's it's it's hovering.

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I remember years ago, three, four years ago, you told me that you wished you were, uh, we were eating barbecue and you told me you wish you were 10% less famous, but I feel like then you got 20% more famous. Yeah. Yeah. I fucked up.

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Yeah. I think that I think that CWD goes back maybe about a decade in his area. He's in Richland County, Richland or Richland. Is he Richland County? Yeah. Richland County, Wisconsin.

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somewhere in that ballpark and it's changed like i don't when you were at doug's place remember at doug's place these have this uh these have this slogan like nice buck next year meaning right you know let deer grow let deer grow and and doug has really changed um over the years he's changed his tune and they and they really want to try to um the idea generally with wildlife managers is that by lowering you'll slow spread by lowering numbers

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Right. That if you have, you know, 40 deer per square mile, you're going to have increased spread. And if it was 20 deer per square mile, 30 deer per square mile, you might slow the spread. But no one's demonstrated a lot of success in slowing the spread of CWD. So other hunters will look at it and be like, yeah, you're out there lowering deer numbers.

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And so there's half as many deer on the landscape and CWD still spreads. Right. So so there's you went up with this question of like, how do you justify that? trying to suppress deer numbers when you're not demonstrating a lot of success and slowing prevalency. And the whole thing you're afraid of is lowering deer numbers, but you're lowering deer numbers. Right.

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But it's like a controlled, it's a controlled lowering to slow the spread, but there hasn't been, no one has an area to your point. You can't go to a County and, I don't think, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong by maybe one county, but I'm pretty positive I'm not wrong. And this is generally absolutely true. You can't go to a county that had infected deer that no longer has infected deer.

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No one's gone into a population of deer and eradicated CWD. Wow. No one's gotten rid of it. That's crazy.

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Yeah, I think that cervids, so primarily white-tailed deer, mule deer, elk, they've had it transmit to caribou. I should know that. It's got to be because it's a cervid, so there's no way it doesn't.

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Not from that.

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Yeah, yeah. But since it is a cervid disease, I should know this. Since it is, I'm assuming they've found it in there. I can't think of examples. I can think of mule deer, white-tailed deer, elk, caribou, but I can't think of whether or not there's been a positive case of moose.

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And moose have a whole host of problems right now in some areas, particularly in the lower 48, the northern states of the lower 48, between wolf depredation and a tick. Like a tick is really hammering those moose right now.

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Yeah, there's a problem with in this long series of mild winters that these extreme colds that would lower these tick numbers down hasn't been happening. So you're having animals literally dying, like a lot of moose literally dying from tick infestations. Yeah. And then Colorado's becoming like a great— Oh, here's all the— Found in moose in many state provinces. There you go.

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I was like, his direction isn't going the right way.

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No, no, no.

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CWD.

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Here and here, maybe. Yeah, that's CWD, but— That's cockeyed right there.

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No, no. I think it's mixing up two things.

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I know, but CWD has been found in Texas.

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Yeah.

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There are not. I mean, everything's in Texas in some form of capacity, but no, you're way outside. No moose in Texas. Yeah, you're way outside of moose, the native range of moose.

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Colorado is becoming like an unexpected, it's blowing up for moose.

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Yeah, yeah. Colorado becomes better. I mean, they've always said moose, but like Colorado is becoming like a premier moose state.

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They'd just been kicking ass there, up in the high country. They had more and more moose. It's becoming like a great moose state. And meanwhile, Maine is really suffering as a moose state.

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Yeah, so Maine's whole brand promise is around moose, and Colorado's going to steal it.

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That's very hard. That's very hard. Yeah, yeah. For a non-resident especially. I used to apply over there, but I don't apply anymore.

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Yeah.

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It is.

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Well, I think after the pandemic we just went through, I think people are more open to that idea.

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That has to be the story you tell to yourself.

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There was a famous buffalo hide hunter, and he had talked about during the great slaughter of the buffalo, he had talked about now and then he'd commit himself to stop. But say he'd wake up in the morning and off in the distance, and he's like, someone else is doing it. So I think that probably with the, you know, I'm no pathologist.

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But as long as someone's tinkering with that shit, everybody wants to tinker with that shit. Yeah. Because you're like, well, I don't know. What are they doing over there that I, what am I missing out on? Right. Yeah. If they're doing it, I want to do it.

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I don't want to be the one that looks like a fool.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah. And you know what? I bet you in some ways the pandemic spawned more of that type of research.

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Yeah. Because I mean, like, also now you can make the case of how important it is to understand this stuff.

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Yeah, start with that.

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You know what it is. Well Part, you know if you allow me to tell you what okay, please do and I observed this I observed this my wife was traveling through right now. I observed this after we had dinner with you one time and um Certain individuals you included would be that um, I It's not necessarily – it's not just people that don't like you, right? There's people that like you too much.

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Yeah, I can see that.

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No. There's been an erosion of that for sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I used to be a dude that prior to that, I was a dude that accepted a lot of, I don't know, I accepted a lot of assurances. And then there was a definite, like many people, I mean, I'm speaking for most people in the country, man. I feel like, like many people, I gained a new skepticism.

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During the pandemic.

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About government authority, a new skepticism about some types of government authority and a new skepticism about the way health information.

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Is spread.

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Yeah, I get the frustration. But I mean, at the same time, like I've been the recipient of. I've been the recipient of like remedies offered by Western medicine.

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Possibly.

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Yeah, some things. Well, no, take a natural thing like Giardia. I don't think anyone's arguing about that, but you get sick as shit. Then all of a sudden you take a pill and you're quick.

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What is that?

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Oh, no, I remember that one.

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Yeah, I have, you know, I have, my buddy Seth was reading that book when we were out moose hunting, but I haven't read it.

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4495

It's a good point. You get a cease and desist.

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But I held that sentiment. Me too.

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Yeah, a lot changed.

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I read an op-ed in the Free Press the other day, you know, Barry Weiss's publication. And it was about when they had rolled back. They had rolled back masking laws. I kind of forgot all about this. You used to not be able to run around with a mask on? Yeah. Because of criminal activity? Yeah.

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I know. So it's like you got to – like at a certain point, you got to worry about the people that like you. Yeah.

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So one of these dudes that pushed a person in front of a subway, it must have been premeditated to some degree because hood and mask, right? Yeah. So you can't identify them on security footage. Right. And then the dude that shot that healthcare insurance CEO masked, but you don't think anything of it. Right. So this person was arguing in some capacity.

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They were arguing that we need to move back to anti-masking rules.

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To fight crime, which I get the sentiment, but I also thought like if you had at a time. Prior to the pandemic, if you had told me that there was restrictions on wearing a mask, you know, I would have thought I would have been surprised about that because it seems like how can you dictate to someone that you have a like a little stagecoach robber bandana on your face? Yeah.

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I know.

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I mean, it's like a weird it's like a weird thing is like, can you really can you really tell people that they can't wear a mask? But this person's saying, you could. We did. And now you've granted criminals some level of anonymity. You can just kind of like, you're cool just to walk around totally obscured.

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Oh, I know. Yeah. And they also – They're like, I'd like to take – kidnap that Joe Rogan and bring him home with me.

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Sure.

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Sure, but I'm not looking to have a rational argument with them. It's just like something I hadn't considered that you could make a law. telling people about wearing masks or not. I just forgot all about that shit because you just didn't. But it would be if you went back six years ago and you saw a dude with a mask. And a hood on. Yeah. You might be like, the hell is his problem? Yeah.

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And then later I was like, oh. Yeah. Like that kind of toughness.

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Now you're like, oh, he's real scared of COVID.

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Yeah. Well, that is.

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If you had a mask on and a hood on all the time, you wouldn't be just 10% less famous. You'd be 70% less famous.

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I kind of, yeah.

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You know what it might be because you are known sitting in that seat and that posture. And so maybe when you're in the airport, you should try a different pose. Yeah, lean back. They might be just picking you off by your seating position.

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You'd be 10% less famous.

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No one doing it now.

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Yeah, there is a movement back to that.

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It a little bit you being like you being a very libertarian dude. I don't know if you describe yourself that way. Pretty much. Yeah. Like I'm a little surprised. I remember you were having a conversation with J.D. Vance and J.D. Vance made a comment about just not a serious comment, made a comment like, you know, dude shouldn't wear skirts or some shit like that.

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And you're like, they should totally be able to wear skirts. Women get to wear them. Why can't men? It was all set with levity. But I was a little surprised. I could picture you as well really feeling like, how could you legislate?

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Obscuring your face. Yeah. And a skirt. There's no public safety in skirts.

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Yeah.

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It's crazy. No, I get it. It's public safety.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Me talking to you. Yeah. It's a lot. Yeah. That thing, I mean, it comes up, it's over observed. Tim Ferriss mentioned it to me. He's like, people think like they think they know you but he's like but they do

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buy toothpaste like this no you can't you have to have an actual mask well what is the difference between this and a bandana zero there's no difference it's so stupid i went through two years like needing to yell at my kids all the time because if you travel with your kids and they never got the stupid things on you know you're like but then you're not you're not even you're not even yelling at them about that they're going to prevent them from

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You're not saving them from a disease. You're saving them from being ostracized and yelled at by the flight attendant. You spend two years being like, put your damn mask on. Put your mask on. I don't think it works. It's not about whether it works. You just got to do it to not get in trouble.

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Yeah, we've kind of found them all and got rid of them. But I wouldn't be surprised if there's one hiding somewhere.

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They do.

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You'd forego the profits.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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They know they know what you think about stuff. They know what you think about current events. They know about your background.

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Yeah, I'm familiar with the argument. Yeah.

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yeah the ads are great yeah it's like some it'll always be some dude just kicking ass yeah having a great time wakes up jogs with his buddies kicks ass all day at night he's like at night he's like out with his lady you know and he's like getting ready and it kind of ends at the end of the night you're like that's something that's getting lucky you know yeah it's like ask your doctor if such and such you're like shit i want to kick ass like that old guy and then they read off the side effects the side effects at the end suicidal thoughts powerful diarrhea like oh god

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What frustrates me already is it's going to be impossible to – explain it. Like now I can't, it's very hard to explain the nine 11 terror attacks to my kids, you know?

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Yeah.

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And I want to be when they make in 10 years, 20 years, whatever, when they make a docu series on this, on the COVID-19 pandemic and the social response and the government response, like I really want to be in the room on the edit and, I'll be like, don't forget about it. You know what I mean? The telling of how it happened. Yeah.

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I would like to go into a time machine and go forward and see how it is told later.

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You know, like we'll watch now, you know, we'll watch documentary. Now, you know, you watch something about the Cuban missile crisis. Right. But you just picture dudes that were active during the Cuban missile crisis or like, no. Right.

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They're going to be, there's even a term, there's a term it's called, uh, um, Gel syndrome. Maybe Jamie can look it up for us. What's the term about? It's the alpha. No, not the alpha gel syndrome.

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No, it's not alpha gal. It's something gel. The syndrome is this.

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or no amnesia something gel gel man gel type in gel amnesia if you don't mind it's killing me gel man amnesia it's that let's say you're let's say you're seeing something you have a lot of subject matter expertise in okay so let's say you're reading you joe are reading uh and someone's analysis explaining like here's what's up with with um mixed martial arts

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I'm not that complicated. It's a long charade.

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Okay, an outsider, an outside journalist who was assigned to do a piece and they do a piece like what's up with mixed martial arts. And you read it and what's probably the main thing you're gonna be thinking the whole time?

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Yeah, and you're going to be like, that's totally not. That's not the conversation. That's not what that is. You missed a point. Do you notice that everything you read where you know a lot about it, let's say you read a piece of reporting and it's a reporting about the podcast industry, where it came from, how it's monetized. Mostly what you're going to feel is that's not what that is.

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That's incorrect. Well, this form of amnesia is that you forget that. So then later you're reading an article about a thing you don't know well. Right. And you're like, you feel like you're getting the straight dope.

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But someone somewhere who knows the world well is reading it and they're having the same feeling you have every time you read about something you know well, which is this person has no idea what they're talking about. Right. So you fall in the trap, the amnesias you forget. Right.

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And you take things you're not aware of, and when you get the dope on them from someone, you're forgetting how fucked up everything is when you do know about it.

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It's possible with some things. The hope where it's possible, but no, I don't have, like, sure, possible. I don't picture that being the case.

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Sure.

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Yeah, and someone would be motivated to do it.

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I did this little event last night at this place here in town called Arena Hall. And the moderator of the event, it was like a Q&A or a chat. And he was asking me, as a writer, as an author, what are your fears about AI? And I'm like, AI is... In the very short term, AI is coming for certain types of writing. Certain types of writing are going to be made obsolete by AI. But...

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The reason I don't worry about it as of now as a writer is it's always gonna be representative of input. The input has to come in from people who are out digesting real experience. It'll get faster. The point I use is if you earlier, Tom, alluded to the assassination attempt on Trump. The day before that, had you asked AI about details about it, it doesn't exist, right?

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Like the whole thing gets fed in. So if you remain on some level of cutting edge about thought or cutting edge about analysis or cutting edge about what's going on in the world, you'll have to start being more careful about being like that your work remains at the vanguard of feeding into the system of newness, right? Yeah. And that's going to be like a big challenge, right?

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Like a big challenge as a writer. But I remember coming up as a writer, too, in the old days and being super scared of the Internet in general. Right. And I was like, man, this ain't gonna be good for a writer.

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It was monks transcribing them, but I don't know.

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Mathematics, maybe? Nope. How to spot witches.

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No, I didn't know that.

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I had no idea.

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Yeah. But I think that like creators. Yeah. From a creator perspective. You got ones that run away from new, right? And you got ones that run toward it. I used to be the runaway from. Something came out and I was like, this ain't good. What are you now? I... I guess I've like survived through enough changes in the media landscape that I, I'm not as terrified as I once was. Right.

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Like, you know, I always said like the first time I heard the word podcast was in context of your name. Right.

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Yeah. You had a delayed flight.

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Yeah. We started real late. You're coming back from something. Oh yeah. But anyhow, yeah, I used to be scared of incoming.

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Yeah. And you even said that you were doing them and thought it was stupid.

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Yeah, and I wouldn't have done it had you said it. Or I'd have been late to the game, maybe.

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I'm glad I did. And the other thing is it just infuses you with... infuses you with so much knowledge. Because like you said, you get to corner people you want to corner.

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You know what I want to tell you about? Because it's like this thing I'm trying to hunt down. I recently had a guy on my podcast whose name is Randy Brown. And my brother Danny recommended him, too, because he's a fisheries biologist in Alaska. So he came out on the show and what he did is in the 70s, he grew up in New Mexico and always wanted to live in the woods. Okay.

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Like just grew up camping in the mountains and stuff. And in the 70s, he goes up to Alaska and just goes live in the bush along the Yukon and then did it. I mean, for 15 years, for 15 years, he lived in the bush in Alaska, just building little cabins and lived off the land. I mean, like didn't wasn't buying groceries, like lived off the land trap in Alaska.

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Like a hundred thousand hour charade. A hundred thousand hour charade. Bullshitting people.

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He tells me this story and I've been I've been trying to put the word out about this. He tells me a story where I have to go check. I think it was in 78. In 1978, he's on the Yukon River just downstream, downstream of the Yukon from Canada. He's between Circle, Alaska and Eagle, Alaska on the Yukon.

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And him and his friends are living their lives in all these like line cabins they got strung up and down the river. Two guys come down the river out of Canada. So again, this is 1978. Two guys come down the river out of Canada on a homemade log raft. So this guy in Randy's circle, one of his buddies, he tells this whole story on the podcast, but one of his buddies has a cabin down on the river.

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And these two guys pull in in this homemade raft. They pull in for the night at this cabin. One of these individuals identifies himself as John the Baptist.

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Okay. Yeah. In the middle of the night, his companion, John the Baptist's companion, gets back on his raft and scoots. Oh, boy. And abandons the dude. Abandons this guy in 1978 who came out of Canada who identifies himself as John the Baptist. John the Baptist becomes this incredible leech on these guys that are living in the bush. eating their food, using their stuff, taking their ammunition.

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He lingers long enough that he can't really get out of that area because it frees up on the river. And they keep telling him, you've got to go somewhere else. And they say, you've got to leave here. You can go stay at one of our other cabins. Don't touch our shit. He goes up to the other cabin. When they eventually go up to the other cabin, he had taken a bunch of their stuff.

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He'd taken some of their furs and made his own clothes. They boot him out and they tell him what you got to do is you got to go down to the river and go up or down, wait for a boat and go up or down. But he comes up with this cockamamie plan where he's going to go to this area. They're like, no way can you walk to that area. He takes off into the woods.

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Now, when he does, he steals this guy we had on the podcast, Randy Brown. He steals Randy Brown's snowshoes and takes off. Randy Brown gives chase. But it was a real bad snow year. He tracked him for about five miles and just said, never mind, it's not worth it. The next year, he takes a different route and goes into the headwaters of this river where this guy had taken off with his snowshoes.

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And he's canoeing down the river and sees his snowshoes hanging in a tree. Okay. And there's a little cabin there, a little line cabin they had out. And he goes in and here's the guy, stone dead, starved to death in a sleeping bag.

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Snowshoes are hanging outside. Starved to death. Starved to death. He said he's nothing but skin and bones. Wow. Nothing but skin and bones. They take him out and they're way out in the bush. They have no money. They just live off land. He literally has no money. He's got no way to transport a body in the summertime anywhere.

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to like eagle or circle alaska does he have a responsibility to do that isn't this in the 70s man he did like he explains himself he explains himself and did well he didn't he laid that they took the body out of the sleeping bag they wanted to check it out he said it was just skin on bone and it brought up something i'm going to talk about cannibalism in a minute but it was skin on bone

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And he doesn't know what to do. And he's not bashful about what he did. He lays out why he had to do what he did. And they kept the sleeping bag to use it because it was their sleeping bag. And they laid this body out on the tundra. Told a few people, but didn't really know what to tell them. They never caught the guy's name. Told it to a few people.

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A while later, he goes back and the body was gone. Presumably been eaten by something. So after we do this interview... I can't stop thinking about this dude. And I'm like, how can it not be that someone out in the world, like someone that has a kid or a brother or an uncle, do you know what I mean? Yeah. And they never know what happened to them. Yeah. There's no... He's from Canada.

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It's the 1970s. 70s, calling himself John the Baptist. Yeah, they do. But I kind of felt like doing... I kind of felt... I put it out on social media. We talk about it on the podcast. I'm bringing it up here. Like... Dude, I would love to know that someone said, oh, I used to party with a dude named John the Baptist.

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Yeah.

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Oh, for sure.

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For sure. It kind of sticks in my head. And I said to him, to Randy, you know, it was crazy. He wound up getting an honorary doctorate. And like once he and his wife had kids, he became like a world's expert on whitefish species of the Yukon River and got like an honorary doctorate. Oh, wow. Yeah, he's like a leading authority on certain whitefish species in the Yukon.

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So he gives me this book, he gives me this book, and it's called Death in the Barren Grounds, okay? And it was this, he's got a, Randy used the term starved out, and you could tell that all the time he spent living in the bush, like starving to death is very much on his mind. Like him and his buddies even made a sort of pact, right?

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To like, hey man, like if it comes down to it, don't hesitate to eat my body. You know, which you should. He gives me this book, Death in the Burying Ground. It's about these guys in the 20s, these three dudes in the 20s that go up on this Thelon River, which flows into the Hudson Bay. They're kind of north of the tree line, but they're in a timbered grove.

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And they go up there to trap for the winter. And their whole plan is to live off caribou, but the caribou never come through. And the youngest one keeps this meticulous journal in this book. He keeps this meticulous journal, and he documents with painstaking detail the two people he's with starving to death. And himself eventually starving to death. He lets off at a point.

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Yeah.

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It's unclear when he died. He had the wherewithal to put the journal in the stove and to make a sign that said, look in the stove. And when they found him a couple years later, they were able to find this journal. But it got so bad that they're like crushing animal bone. which is a thing. That's what I'm going to talk about with this Donner Party deal I was working on.

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These guys are crushing animal bone and boiling it. to get some kind of nutritive value out of crushed animal bone, and they're eating animal hide, okay? Like you scrape away the hair, and you can boil animal skins and eat them. I've done that. It just makes like a gelatin-y, kind of tasteless, like leather noodle, basically. And what he's documenting as they're dying from this

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had a lot of awareness. You probably did just from, from being in the business.

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um the horrible bowel obstruction and they're trying to make like in his journal he's describing this of trying to make these um these enema devices and even for a while on each other trying to perform like an operation on each other each other because that bone fragment that they're boiling that bone fragment and drinking

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it but that bone fragment in their bowel is like reforming into bone plugs and even when they find these guys years later a guy from the Canadian Mounted Police is like doing this very you know like a basically a crime scene description of what went on in here and still laying there a couple years later is a plate full of like solidified excrement oh god everything else rotted away these guys are just skeletons but that like bone shit

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Yeah.

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yeah and you look at like you and i just finished this book the other day and um so you look and be like oh they're starving death starving death but like when you starve that all this stuff is actually going on and it like that had to have been fatal and we were working on you know mo who's been on the show we've been working on this project which i'm you know

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I didn't know enough to be surprised.

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Wanting to plug but we did an episode on the Donner party Who died up in the mountains in California and the Donner party in addition to the cannibalism? They're famous for it. It was so crazy because before I read that book We're hearing all about the members of the Donner party were eating the crushed bone and eating the boiled hides on the other thing is all those hair follicles and

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would form into dense balls that would like plug your rectum. And he's just describing all this as they die. It's horrible. But that dude, Randy Brown, gave me that book because you could tell that in his mind, man, like starving out, like it stuck with him. You know, and he's walking around handing out a book about starving to death in the Arctic, you know, because he knew it well.

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But that was like in that same thing, like Donner Party being like known for the cannibalism and all that is all those people die and probably like a lot of the same thing. Eating that hide and hair and crushed bone. Just miserable.

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Oh.

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Oh. In talking to him, when he talked about that guy that struck off, like this is after a long time he spent in the bush. He talked about the guy that struck off and the guy struck off with a .22 pistol. And Randy's like, you cannot, in that environment, you cannot survive with a .22 pistol. Like he just knows it categorically, you cannot survive with a .22 pistol. And the dude didn't.

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Yeah, how could you? Well, people would probably think that they're such a badass they would.

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I don't know. I don't know how many he had. But he said, you won't. You won't make it. And he made a point. That .22 pistol, when they found that body, that .22 pistol's hanging on a peg inside the cabin where he found them.

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They did everything with .243s. in those years that he did that. And they would load like variable loads.

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He'd make light loads and heavy loads.

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Yeah, they'd make little grouse loads and shit, and they'd load their big game bullets, you know? All the .243. Hunting moose with a .243, caribou with a .243.

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They were loading their own stuff.

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Yeah, they had a camp. One of their camps, they had a reloading station. The various guys that lived in the bush would kind of come in there and use that reloading station. And that John the Baptist dude looted that reloading station.

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That's what happened to Castro. Is that it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. But you know what's weird is about it that someone pointed out to me later. I think John the Baptist, like John the Baptist from the Bible, I think John the Baptist starved to death. Really? So that's like a little bit of a confusion is... Yeah, how would that be? Is that real?

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Yeah, there's this dude, there's this kid, I might tell you about him, this French kid, Etienne Brulé, that the French brought over. He's known as Etienne Brulé, and the French brought him over during the colonial era and gave him to the tribes so he'd learn their language. And eventually he gets crossways with the Huron Indians, and the Huron Indians killed him and allegedly ate him.

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Yeah. I mean, like, you know, I mean, it's like the – in fact – I would talk about that a little bit in some, you know, I've discussed that in like various conversations around when you watch like certain political fortunes rise as it becomes things become vindictive.

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So everybody knows him as Etienne Brule, which is burnt, right? But did he get the name after or before? Yeah.

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So you're like, well, hold on a minute. Did he just happen? Like he presumably got burned to death or boiled or whatever, you know? So it's like, is he Etienne Brule because of what happened to him? Or was he running around with that moniker? And then like, lo and behold. So the John the Baptist thing is baffling to me.

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The word on the streets is beheaded in prison. The word on the streets. Someone sent me this big passage talking about his emaciated state.

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Can I talk about my project? Sure, please do. Well, I'm working out with Mo, who's been on the show before. Mo and I... We did the very early Meat Eaters together. You probably met him that way, right, originally?

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So we did very early Meat Eaters together, and we've always kept in touch, and he went on and did all that crazy stuff with Bourdain and got heavily involved in that. And then after Bourdain's death, there was this kind of, I don't know, man, almost like this exodus of talent. Like all these people that worked on that great show. And they went on to do other stuff.

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And then Mo and I got joined up on this. And we've worked on it. Mo's a showrunner on it. And we've worked on it together. And it's coming out January 28th. And it's a show on History Channel where we look at outdoor mysteries. So I brought up, we did an episode on Donner Party. And you might ask, what's the mystery about the Donner Party? But it's kind of like what happened?

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Could it have gone differently? Like what mistakes were made? And most of these mysteries that we do are things that I have that most people have some awareness around. Right. Like you've heard you've at least heard of it. And I think that people think about the Donner Party, for instance, just take an example. You make people make when they're making a joke about cannibalism.

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Yeah, you don't think about it that way, right? It's mostly children.

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Right? So there's this sort of like, earlier I said I'll talk, you know, touch on cannibalism. I was talking about Randy Brown making that cannibalism pact. You're trying to keep your kids alive. And the kids, by and large, the kids survived. The kids survived at a much higher rate than adults. And out of adults that survived, parents... did better. Parents were more likely to survive.

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I've spent my whole life in the northern tier states, but I've remained somewhat oblivious to political movements in Canada.

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When they sent a little subgroup off to try to go get help, a lot of the people died on the way of trying to get help. Parents lived. Parents who had kids back at the main camp survived. So it's this whole weird thing about the psychology of why I keep going on. You know what I mean? And then you think about it from that angle.

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If your kids were faced with starving to death, you would absolutely feed your kids human meat. Yeah. Hundred percent.

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Right. So you look at it like this American horror story. But in the end, like all those 90 people, like half lived, you know, half of them survived. And they just they did. They always did just like what they needed to to live, you know. But then there's those families still carried a stigma.

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Like it's terrible stigma. But like getting into that, like getting into that story and starting to. Realize that and then following that up with reading that book about like the pain and anguish of of starving to death. Like you wind up like having just more. I want a lot more empathy and just, you know, you almost kind of want to honor those people rather than condemn them as like these.

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Like I said, it's like an American horror story.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And they wound up having to do cannibalism. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the Donner party, they would have times in some of these cases, they had a little system where you would not where you would keep the carcasses separate so that people didn't have to eat their own kin, eat their own relatives. They mostly ate people that died of natural causes. But at the time, there was no prohibition.

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Yeah, he just walked. Everybody knew he did it. Never faced any repercussions for it. Murdered two people to eat them. Other than that, they were eating people that were already there. Jesus. When we were out there filming in Donner Pass, we met these people and they were saying that these guys were doing this thing about places with Christmas names. And they had thought Donner Pass.

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Like Donner and Blitzen?

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That's the funniest, man.

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So I spent a ton. I spent two months traveling with Mo, maybe a little over two months traveling with Mo, working on this whole thing. It's been fun, though, man.

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It's called Hunting History. It's not a hunting show. Hunting History. There it is. Me on a arrow. Me on a arrow playing. That one, that episode, oh, it's like a whole little trailer.

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It's like outdoor wilderness mysteries, outdoor mysteries. And we do some things that are decades old. We do some things that are centuries old. For instance, when I was growing up in the Great Lakes region, the first ship they ever built on the Great Lakes was called the Griffin. And no one's ever found that ship. That ship went missing in the Great Lakes.

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And people are still trying to hunt for that ship. It's kind of like, you know, it's regarded as the holy grail of Great Lakes shipwrecks. There's still people actively searching for it. We do one on Donner Party.

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But it would be gone now. It was full of beaver pelts. It was full of about like six tons of beaver pelts. And there's all these different theories about the crew mutiny or whatever. But there's a guy, this dude named Steve Liebert, who came out of like naval intelligence, the naval intelligence world. And this guy named Steve Liebert has the latest claim of having found the griffin.

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So I went and dove that site to check out his claim of having identified this ship.

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Yeah, I don't think he's got it.

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It kind of blows your mind when you think about the Great Lakes. There are literally thousands of missing ships, and then there are many, many ships that are there, but no one knows what they are. I think he's found a very old ship, but I don't think he's found the Griffin.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

7276.607

Yeah. Wow. The burden of proof on finding the Griffin is hard. You've heard of the guy LaSalle? No. He wound up dying down in this neck of the woods. He built the first ship, and he got above Niagara Falls and built a big ship. and built the first ship that ever sailed the upper Great Lakes.

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So he went all through the upper Great Lakes, went to Green Bay, filled it full of beaver hides to get himself out of debt. Sends all those beaver hides back down to Niagara, but they go missing along the way He makes his way down.

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He winds up being the first European to descend the Mississippi to the mouth and then later he gets into like a mutiny of sorts Down in the lower, Mississippi gets in a mutiny of sorts one of his guys shoots and kills him just kind of this whole just run of shitty luck But he lost his ship So there's all this different evidence of pointing to where this shit might lie.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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But it's almost certainly like... It's somewhere. It's somewhere. You know, because stuff lasts so long. Like in that fresh water, stuff lasts so long. You'll go dive down and look at ships that are 100 years old, 200 years old. It looks like you could refurbish things. Really? You know, except for the ones that get broke up by ice. Yeah. So that ship's laying around. Wow.

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I'd like to tell you we found it. Oh, God. I hung out with a bunch of dudes that are looking for it. The lakes are so big. Yeah. I hung out with dudes that are looking for it. And now people are getting really good at it because all the sophisticated sonar. That's why they're finding all this crazy shit.

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No.

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Yeah.

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Especially when you add them all together, you know? Yeah. And the place is pretty deep. But yeah, they're littered with stuff, man. And dudes, like, there's just common dudes now that can buy really sophisticated sonar and underwater cameras. And people are just finding stuff like mad.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Well, that's where like that's I mean, isn't that conversation what spawned kind of the ascendancy of Jordan Peterson coming out of Canada?

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Yeah, because you can just cruise around. You can just cut grids on sonar. So you got dudes that are out there just identifying wreck after wreck after wreck right now. That's why there's a lot of enthusiasm that someone's going to turn this boat up. But it has these big cannons. It should have these big French built cannons.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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And until someone finds the cannons, no one's going to buy what you're saying. Yeah, LaSalle brought cannons from Europe and mounted them on the boat.

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They did, but also they just would try to intimidate Native American tribes. They'd get them into the fur trade, but also there's rogue people. And you're also, at that time, the French are duking it out with... English had a big toehold up in Hudson Bay.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Um, so you got the English there, you got the Spanish to the South, just a ton of conflict and people still trying to duke it out over who's going to control the great lakes.

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So there's this argument too, which is crazy. Like picture, we had to say, picture if we had a naval vessel that sank off France right now, it's not France's, it's not France's boat. Right. Right. Cause we have all these agreements in place. It's like our boat. So they would have to hand it over to us. It's flying under our flag. It's, it remains our vessel. There's this argument that, um,

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LaSalle ship was flying under a French flag. Whoever finds that ship, there's an argument that the French would be able to claim that ship. So even if some dude like some freelancer was to find it and find those cannons and shit and finds this ship, there's an argument that the French could say, we'll take it from here, son.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Yeah. They're flying under our flag and our international treaties mean that that's our boat. which would decentivize me in wanting to find it.

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Yeah, they do it for glory.

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A lot of money to be made. We were going to do our last episode when we went and did the Donner party. What we were supposed to be doing is we were supposed to be hanging out with guys that are still – this whole fleet of Spanish vessels that went down off the east coast of Florida, so the Atlantic side of Florida. We were going to go down with these guys that are still –

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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fighting over and finding all this stuff from all these sunken ships but then the the hurricane like i mean like passed right over it so we didn't get to go do that we didn't go do that show um we did one about uh that centered that want to become a mostly a story that centered around um in the 70s there's this aircraft that was carrying the speaker of the house so do you remember um

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Oh, is it Nina? No. Hey, Jamie, I hate to be treating you like a research assistant here. Cokie Roberts, that's who it was. You know the journalist Cokie Roberts from NPR and shit?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Yeah, Cokie Roberts' father was this guy Hale Boggs, okay? Yeah. Hale Boggs was a Democrat and he was a Speaker of the House in the 70s. And Alaska had at that time only one, Alaska had a sole congressman. There was an airplane that had Begich, their sole congressman, the Speaker of the House, an assistant and a pilot that went down in Alaska in the 70s. Still no one's found that plane.

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Speaker of the House. Like, imagine that happened now. You know what I mean? Yeah, 1972.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Oh, it does. But then you get into the huge number of all these missing aircraft and like all that search centered around this glacier that it would have been swallowed by a glacier. And we went to this other site where this military transport plane years ago did go down in a glacier. And the glacier swallowed it.

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And I think it was, I don't know, 20 some years later, that glacier started to spit that plane out at the toe of the glacier. Like it carried it, I don't know what it is, 13 miles under the ice and then started to spit out human remains and plane parts. Every spring the military goes to the foot of that glacier, every spring they go there.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Or sorry, every summer they go to the toe of that glacier and they're still identifying. They're still identifying human remains that are moving out of that thing miles away from where that plane burrowed into that glacier. Yeah, we went right there.

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And on top of that glacier, we had got there after that. We flew over it in a helicopter. They don't want you landing there. But on top of that glacier is all this orange paint, orange paint spots. They weren't working there anymore, but you can tell they were in there marking. everything that you can see coming out of that as that glacier recedes. Wow. And they're marking all those pieces.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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So this other glacier where most of that search focused for that baggage bogs flight focused on this one glacier, but if you do the math on that glacier... Had it gone into that glacier where they had spent a ton of time looking into a crevasse in that glacier, had it gone into that glacier, the glacier would have spit it out by now.

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Because you can kind of track how much a glacier moves every year. So now it's kind of the idea that it was in that glacier has been kind of put to rest. Oh, here's dude searching that one.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Yeah. Yeah, so we went there. We went down into some of those crevasses like that, too.

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Yeah, which is scary as shit.

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Because that stuff is alive, man. It's moving. I mean, not like literally alive, but it's like groaning and moving. Yeah, we went back down into one of those.

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You know, it was pretty quiet that day. It was actually more peaceful there because you know how much all that cold air from that ice generates so much wind? We land this helicopter there. And the wind's howling. And I don't know much about aviation. I mean, I use it a lot, but the wind's so bad. I was asking the guy, at what point do you risk that your helicopter is going to blow off the glacier?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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And a couple minutes later, he's a very experienced pilot, but a couple minutes later, he winds up tethering down his helicopter because he's like, now you're like fucking with my head. So he tethers down his helicopter on these ice screws, you know, to like make sure the helicopter doesn't slide and go down into a crevasse.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Oh, is that right?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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And then you, you know, I just, I was with a very experienced ice climber, but harness up and pick your way down. But anyways, it's like deaf, it's like so loud and you hear a lot of the... You know, the noise of all that ice moving because it's moving all those rocks and everything. It just pulverizes stuff, as you see with that aircraft.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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But when you drop down in that crevasse and go down that sucker, it gets, like, unbelievably calm. Real calm.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Oh, shit, not that far. Probably 30 feet.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Oh, it's far enough for sure. It's unnerving. It's unnerving. It's unnerving for me just hearing you talk about it. I remember you telling me about that chamber you like to go into.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

7828.241

Yeah. It's not quite like that, but it's like you just all of a sudden are like... But you're also in there just thinking like how you could get. Smushed. Oh, just obliterated. There's stories. I was hunting with this dude years ago and he used to be involved with Outward Bound and they were doing a glacier hike. A guide was doing a glacier hike and they had a kid, like a student.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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I think it was Outward Bound. They had a student go off to take a piss. And one of those things never found because there's big rivers flowing underneath that stuff.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Right. So picture you like you go down. So you're down there. You can hear water running everywhere. You can hear rivers underneath you inside that. But you're roped up, you know. But even the rope you're on, you're just screwing screws into the ice. And then at a certain air temperature, right, like the screw conducts heat.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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So at a certain air temperature, if you drive that screw in and that screw is pushing heat, it'll melt the ice around the threads. So you'll actually drill these big holes into the glacier like a V. Picture you're coming in like a V and the two upper parts of the V are like 30 inches apart. And you drill at a 45 degree angle until those holes meet.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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That's the thing. When I looked at it, now that I've come to understand it better, the fact that most people would crawl into...

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Then you snake a rope down one hole and get it snaked out the other hole and then tie a knot in that. And that's what's holding you.

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So you're just, you're tied in on a little like, yeah, you're like tied.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Onto a hunk of the ice. He backed down into those suckers, dude. It's like, it's ass pucker.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Gosh, I don't remember that.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

7958.628

Oh, I know they found him on a melted glacier, but I didn't know that it was supposed that he fell into a crevasse.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Yeah, he was all tore up. Yeah. They made a movie about his last days. Did they? A fictional movie. Really? Yeah, it's a European fictional movie. Did you ever see the movie? And it sort of sets up the whole circumstance, right? I haven't seen it yet, but it sets up the whole circumstance. This is a really dumb movie. Otzi was his name. Yeah, Otzi.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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No.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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No, I remember that. They bring a guy back to life.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Knowing what the outcome will be.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Oh shit, I didn't know that happened.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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I thought it was more like an E.T. plot. No, no, no. Like they resuscitate him and then the scientists want to get at him.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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That's who he starts getting with?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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That's her?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Yeah.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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The other night we were watching these old movies like this. The other night we were watching Temple of Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom. And, you know, the love interest, like Indy's love interest in that movie. I can't remember what her name is. But anyways, we're watching it with our youngest kid who really wanted to watch an Indiana Jones movie.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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And my wife's like, man, you just can't have teeth like that anymore in the movies. The love interest, you know, like you forget like how perfect like oral processes have made everybody's teeth. And so here's like this woman who's like job is like, you know, she's like the hot woman in the movie that everyone wants, that everyone's going to fall in love with.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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And you look and you're like, you're like, yeah, you're right. Like, teeth are so perfect on everybody now. You know, and you're looking at an old movie, you're like, oh, that was before they were able to do all that.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Before Invisalign. We were watching that stupid show on New Year's Eve, you know, that ball dropping thing.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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And just, you know, every single person even kind of involved in that whole production has those teeth.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8137.143

well most of those teeth are fake now oh no that's what i'm saying man like but absurdly so you know and it's just really funny to look at that and be like you're right like there's something that looks like you can't put your finger on it's like the the the the heroin absent perfect teeth right do you remember lauren hutton she had that gap between her teeth it was kind of hot yeah yeah it was like part of her her charm she had this gap

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Yeah, nowadays you'd feel some pressure to go tighten that up.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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They'd put some shit on your teeth and tighten it up.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Yeah, it was America's first homegrown millionaire, John Jacob Astor.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8182.898

Yeah. So he was a German. He came over as a young kid. He didn't have, you know, broke, penniless. Aster comes over. Just an immigrant, right? Comes to the U.S., he's trying to figure out a way to make his way in America. And in New York, he meets a guy in the fur business, like a furrier. And the guy says, there's a lot of money to be made in furs. And that was the commodity for North America.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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When you look at all the English powers coming or all the European powers coming to establish colonies, you know, it's known like the Spanish come in and they get like all that Aztec gold, all that Incan gold. Other European powers were like jealous about the wealth Spain was pulling out and mineral wealth. And they always thought that in our area up in what's now the continental U.S.,

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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you know, eventually gold did come out, but they were sort of like primarily like we need our own gold fields. But what emerged was the, was fur, you know, fur was our thing. Fur was like the thing of value. So Aster became a fur trader, um, and, you know, helped launch these fur trapping expeditions and became involved in what we now call the mountain man area.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Like when you hear the term mountain men, um, the mountain man era. So we, uh, in my sort of other job outside of doing my History Channel show, like we do audio originals. And we did one on the deerskin trade called The Long Hunters. It was about Daniel Boone, 1770s in the deerskin trade. And right now we're coming out with one called Meat Eaters American History, The Mountain Men.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8283.948

And it covers that like John Jacob Astor era of the beaver trade. And what all those dudes, so when you hear about Jim Bridger, John Coulter, Jed Smith, What they were producing, they were producing a material that would be used to make felt hats. Like that's what that was all about.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8303.872

Rather than, you'd think, when they would trap a beaver, so the revenant- How many fucking beavers were around back then? A lot. Even though we've recovered them really successfully, there were far more beavers back then than there are now.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8324.47

In the tens of millions. Wow.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8328.153

I don't know. I don't know. No, I do know because I looked at it the other day, but I forgot what it is. I forgot what it is. They're very recovered across a big part of their range, but nowhere near what it was at the time. You know, the whole continent... Was shaped by beavers like they manipulate their landscape more than anything besides humans. Right.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8353.962

But people had always whittled away at them, you know, like earlier I mentioned Daniel Boone, like his primary job was a deerskin. He was in the deerskin trade and what they were using for back then. You know, you see really old pictures like kings and shit. They got those kind of white pants on. It's probably a buckskin pant. Right.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8369.688

So our whole term with like when we say a buck, something's worth a buck.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8373.231

That's about the equivalent value of a deer skin. Right. So, you know, that's where that term came from. Those guys at the same time, they would hunt deer skins in the summer because they wanted a real thin and then they would switch and they would hunt beaver pelts in the winter for wool felt to create wool felt. But we kind of gradually extirpated, like wiped out beaver numbers.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8395.297

And then when you get to 1804 and the Lewis and Clark expedition, Lewis and Clark push into the interior, into the northern Rockies and around the headwaters of the Missouri. And when they come back to St. Louis, like one of the things they report on is like, holy shit. Like we found that the last great stronghold of the beaver is in the Rockies. And that's what pushed this whole mountain man era.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8423.896

So when you watch the revenant, like Hugh glass, you know, get mauled by the grizzly, those guys were all like, their thing was they were beaver trappers. And earlier I mentioned the English up around Hudson bay. So you're familiar with this thing called the Hudson bay company from, from history. It was like a fur trading enterprise.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8442.122

The Hudson Bay Company in the English always had this model of the fur trade where they would build posts and then incentivize Indians to hunt fur or trap fur. They didn't trap... The English weren't themselves trappers. The English were traders, and they would incentivize tribes to go trap and bring them the furs. In the Rockies, that didn't work.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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They couldn't get these nomadic equestrian bison hunters... with the program. They thought it was, by and large, the sentiment was, it's beneath us. We're not gonna give up our whole life away. Everything we need comes from the buffalo. We live in big family groups. We follow the herds. I'm not gonna go trap beaver for you. It's of no interest to me.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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So then they're like, well, shit, how are we gonna get the beaver? And so they start hiring dudes. They start hiring orphans and people that were under indentured servitude and ran away, whatever. They hired these big groups of Americans out of the colonies, the former colonies, because that time of the United States.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8505.48

They hired these guys and say, you're going to go out and live for years at a time in the Rockies and trap beaver. And here's where to meet us on such and such date every year. So go to this valley, right? Go to Jackson Hole or go to Daniel, Wyoming or Bear Valley, wherever, and we'll meet you in June. And you bring all the shit you caught and we'll give you some more equipment.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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And like that was the mountain man era. All that stuff, when they caught those beavers, there's no need. They didn't want the meat. They could eat the meat, but there's no value in the meat. The hide, they don't even want the leather from the hide. That was thrown away. They don't want the main guard hairs.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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So if you look at a pelt, you got these silky long guard hairs and then there's an underwool underneath it. They don't want the silky long guard hair. All they're after is the under fur On the hide. To line hats. To make felt. But there was so much conning and scamming of people taking shit that wasn't beaver wool and trying to pass it off as beaver wool.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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You had to ship the whole hide to Europe so they could confirm that it was in fact a beaver hide at which they would hire people to pick the guard hair off, shave that underwool off, throw the guard hair away, throw the leather away, take that underwool and turn it into a felt To make a hat.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8592.389

Like an Ebenezer Scrooge top hat. That's what that shit was about. Wow. So when this dude, when LaSalle. you know, comes over and builds the Griffin. Like, that first ship is so crazy. Like, he was building that ship to transport beaver hides because traditionally they'd always done it with canoes. And he's like, I got a better idea.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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I'm going to build a giant ship, fill that sucker full of beaver hides, and I'll get rich.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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But, yeah, his ship vanished. And that's what they were still up to in the mountain man era. And that whole industry was born – In this Mountain Men project we're doing, that whole history was born, you can kind of say it was born with the Lewis and Clark expedition and identifying this tremendous population of beavers in the northern Rockies. And it kind of ended in 1840.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8655.51

Would you go to that time? No, I just changed my time. For a long time, I knew what my time was, but I just changed my time recently. What is it now? I'll be happy to explain.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8668.356

There used to be an idea that's existed for much of my life is about the peopling of the Americas. And sometime... maybe around 15,000 years ago, there was so much of the Earth's water was tied up in glaciers that Asia and Alaska were connected by a chunk of ground the size of Texas. The Bering Land Bridge.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

868.321

Yeah. But there will probably be a course correction now, which seems like just generally on free speech issues, there's a radical course correction right now.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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When people hear the Bering Land Bridge, you kind of picture this little like, it's like Moses crossing the part of the Red Sea. But you could have lived and died on the, you know, generations were probably born and died on the Bering Land Bridge with no idea that it was a bridge. Like I said, it was a chunk of ground the size of Texas. That much water was tied up in glaciers. People crossed.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8717.991

They almost certainly weren't saying like, hey, Bob, let's go to Alaska. But they were doing their thing. They were hunting and moving and they cross. And then because of all that ice, once they moved into what's now Alaska, the theory held that they were trapped there by glacial ice.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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And eventually there was this thing called the Ice Free Corridor opened up around like it would have spilled out around Edmonton, Alberta. And the idea was the first people to lay eyes on the continental U.S., when that corridor opened up, when that little gap through the glaciers opened up, the first Americans spilled out onto the American Great Plains, killing mammoths with spears.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8759.805

As all this new information has emerged, the dates don't line up anymore. So we did a hunting history episode about this very question of how and when and who were the first people to enter the continent. Right. And now that was called the Ice Free Corridor. But it's been made more and more untenable by finding these super old sites.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8787.832

For a while, the oldest site we knew about in the New World was a site called Monteverde down in Chile. So if people came in at the Bering Land Bridge, why is the oldest known site of human occupation all the way down in Chile?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

880.234

Oh, yeah.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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It was somewhere around 13, 14.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8809.817

Again. Yeah. It's clouded picture. There's a lot of the dating. Yeah. The dating on that is clouded. But anyways, it's like antiquity in America is much older than originally thought. Right. So, and then there's now currently the oldest site is on the Columbia river drainage. Um, near a place called Pittsburgh landing. Uh, there's a really old site there.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8830.788

And it winds up being that it doesn't line up with the idea of people entering this ice-free corridor, because when did the corridor, when was it open, when was it possible to pass through, but now you have all these older dates. And then people are even starting to question the validity of the idea of that this corridor opened when they thought it did. So now the fashionable idea

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8849.621

It seems rock solid and we film much of the episode up at our fish shack. There's this theory now called the kelp highway that you had this pretty stable environment all along the Pacific coast. And it was defined by kelp beds, enormous, enormously rich in fish resources, enormously rich in shellfish. Right. And that the first Americans were were a seafaring people.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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And all that shit about what glaciers are melted and not melted and when this and that corridor and land bridges open was a moot point because these were people that just came down the coast. And they knew how to survive in that marine, that kelp marine environment. And they went south and went south and went south. And things remain remarkably similar.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8899.386

And with like great speed, with great speed all the way down the coast. So all of a sudden there's people in Chile. And instead of this idea that people came into the Great Plains and then spread to the coasts. It's that people came down that route.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

89.733

a hole yeah you know after well i got i got a buddy i don't want to say who it is but he uh he had sold his business and he told me he goes well i'm gonna sell my business i'm gonna crawl into a deep dark hole and um later he's kind of back out and bought another business and i said what about crawling into the deep dark hole he said well i did but my wife was in there I had to get back.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8917.949

And, you know, that really old site, the currently oldest, the currently oldest, like ironclad, absolutely accepted academic consensus accepted site is that Snake River site or on the Columbia drainage that they came down the coast. And then the continent was populated by people who just followed these major rivers, these salmon runs and stuff, coastal fishing people.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8942.316

migrated up these rivers following fish and then turned into, over time, became these mammoth hunters and these interior grassland hunters. But their genesis was in these seafaring people. And as people came down, they kind of filled in. So you go to like, you know, the Tlingit or the Haida, right? That live along the Alaskan coast now, like that's their ancestors, right?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

8968.773

They were perhaps people living that way and those places were the first people to enter the continent. So my time machine would be whatever the hell day that was. That's what it would be. To see that, man. Because picture, like, you know, picture me the first person or the first group of people to see a continent. Yeah. I mean, you can't even, you know what I mean?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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We don't.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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There's an argument that.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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There's an argument. There's arguments.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9006.186

Well, yeah. That's where the original. The human diaspora is like anatomically, like the sort of widely accepted scientific explanation is that anatomically and behaviorally, Modern humans. There was many waves of hominids coming out of Africa, but sometime around 70,000 years ago. our current human ancestors came out.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9031.355

They came into a Europe that was populated by Neanderthals, perhaps other hominids. They kind of won, right? And then spread around the world. And the last continent outside of Antarctica, which was never, you know, the last continent to be occupied by humans outside of Antarctica, which arguably was never occupied by humans, would have been South America, was the last stop.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Yeah.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Yeah.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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But man, there's all, there's this, there's this, there's this theory called the salutary and hypothesis, which is that, that Northern Europeans came over much, much like 10, you know, 10 plus thousand years ago. There's always these different ideas that, that someone, you know, someone from somewhere else blew in on a raft.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9075.612

There's always this thing, but, but what I'm talking about is a sort of like, again, the kind of like academically accepted idea that, sort of mainstream idea remains, and it's supported by genetic, linguistic, everything is that humans came out of, the Americans, our Native Americans came out of Siberia through a Siberian pathway, probably in waves.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9104.428

You know, the people who now, if you refer to now like Northern coastal peoples, Eskimo, Inuits, they were a later wave. They were different than what became the Athabascans to the South. It was like a later wave. So there could have been repeated waves of people coming, but I've always been interested in the first wave.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9128.955

No, I'm aware of Montana.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9185.677

Yeah, the debate is, is it natural or man-made?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9199.58

Oh, you know, I am familiar with that area. It's real weird. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9209.636

Yeah, because you get fissures and rocks that are filled from volcanic activity. Sure. It's puzzling. Maybe we'll do an episode on that.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9232.932

Oh, is that what that was? I couldn't tell if you had a bug or if that was a nose ring.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9270.376

Yep. Yeah. I'm going natural, but we'll do a future episode on that question.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9288.546

That is insane. From that angle, it's insane. From that angle, you would no doubt look and be like, that's a man-made wall.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Is that a fake image, or is that the real image? I can't tell. You know what?

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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It doesn't look like the same stuff from the video.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9307.49

Okay.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9317.143

No, that's something different.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9328.148

That's something different, goofing around shit.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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Have you followed that news that has come out about that boy, that Anzick one boy in Montana? No. Um, sounds like a Spielberg movie, don't it? Yeah, it does. So there is a, there's a Clovis child that they found years ago and near Willsall, Montana. Um, It was from a Clovis hunter culture. This child had been buried with projectile points and ochre.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9376.875

And they've recently done work on like stable isotope work. And it was like he had a diet of woolly mammoth.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9386.579

Yeah. Which people had always thought. Yeah. Right? But that's like this thing that gets always kicked around. And I have a friend, David Meltzer. I don't know if you're looking for guest suggestions, but Heffelfinger and Meltzer. Okay. I fucking love them. But anyway, Meltzer, he's an anthropologist.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9404.025

And he's always been involved in this debate about where these Clovis hunters and these Ice Age Americans, to what degree were they really these northern wild men? killing mammoths with spears and shit, right? And people have tried to, like, over the years, sort of emasculate these Ice Age hunters. Being like, oh, they probably weren't really killing all these mammoths.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9429.248

They probably found them and scavenged them. And explaining away, David would hate me saying this, but explaining away evidence that they were slaying mammoths. And also explaining away the theory that they killed all the mammoths. Right. And they were eating like they were eating a much more varied diet and using plant resources. And they were kind of like a kinder, gentler Ice Age hunter.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9455.841

So it's funny that out of this, as this debate is always waged on, it'd be like this accusation that in creating our idea of these Ice Age hunters, you create the kind you wish was there. So a dude like me is going to be like, yeah, man, mammoth hunters. And then some other dude will be like, oh, no. Berry pickers. Yeah, berry pickers. They were gentle. But they finally just did all this work.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9484.497

And lo and behold, he was young, but he was drinking mother's milk. And they were mammoth eaters. Wow. Which backs up this idea that those big-ass points they made were being used. I participated in this study. Me and some of the guys I work with participated in this study with Meltzer, this guy named Matt and Aaron who runs an experimental archaeology lab at Kent State University.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9516.366

And they gave us all these stone tools. And we had a dead bison laying there. And we were supposed to just spend the day butchering the bison with stone flakes and also with Clovis points. So we're supposed to butcher half with Clovis points. and butcher half with stone blades. They just wanted people who were, like, expert butchers to do it.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9535.573

Like, you don't really know how anybody did anything but just to see. Because the problem they have when they're looking at the archaeological record is the only thing left is bone and stone. Everything else is gone.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9546.736

So when you find some mammoth, you know, you find a mammoth rib cage eroding out of a riverbank, and lo and behold, there's a projectile point laying there, we had always said, oh, someone stabbed it with that point and killed it. But do you really know that? You'll see a mark on a rib and you're like, oh, see, they shot it in the rib. And that's why it's got a scratch on its rib.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9568.727

Well, do you really know that? We just assume. Right. So we did this project to butcher this whole thing, a fresh dead bison, all the stone points. And then they went and cleaned all the bones. This guy, John Hayes from Hayes Taxinary Studio, did this way to treat the bones and clean them where you're not messing up the bones at all.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9590.029

So now you have a set of bones that you know what happened to them. And you have a set of stone tools that you know they were used for. And the idea is you're creating something to compare. There's this famous Folsom site out of New Mexico where all these bison skulls, these Ice Age bison skulls, they look different. Like that skull you got out in your studio. Big horn, longer horned animal.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9619.672

They all got these cut marks on the bone right here.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

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inside the jaw mark inside the jaw and people have been like oh it must have been from extracting the tongue and i even thought that i went i went to smu and looked at those skulls and held those bones in my hand and i'm like oh look they were probably getting the tongues out and made all those cut marks inside the jawbone but what's funny um in going and extracting the tongue with stone tools

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9643.413

I didn't do shit with a left any kind of mark like that. And again, you don't know how they did what they did, but it creates an interesting data set so that when you do look at cut marks on bones, you can start putting together what might have caused it. What he wants to work on next is they want to do an ostrich.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9667.623

Dude, I got no idea. Wow. You're looking at them right there. I don't know. When I extracted the tongue with the stone, I extracted the tongue with stolen tools and I didn't have any need to go anywhere near that thing like that. I don't know, but it just goes to show like you, you look at stuff, you find a projectile point with a rib cage and you're like, they stabbed it. Right.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9688.744

But then, well, maybe they, maybe that we looking at Clovis points all wrong. Maybe Clovis points were knives. Hmm. Maybe that big projectile point was a Clovis knife or maybe it was both things. And maybe when you find a mammoth skeleton, it's got two or three broken Clovis blades. It wasn't that they had been jabbed into it necessarily. Maybe they were the butchering tools.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9712.695

But then what would be the killing tools? It's a great question. I personally, me not being an academic who's invested my entire career into this question, I do know this. I think that when people talk about, oh, they were finding them. I spent a lot of time outside. You just don't find all this fresh dead shit laying around everywhere. Right. Right.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9735.542

You can spend many, many, many, many, many days out wandering around the woods. You don't find like fresh dead. Right. Edible materials. Right. You find rotten shit, dried up shit. You find skeletons. But I don't I have a hard time swallowing the idea that that all these mammoth kill sites were just where they happen to stumble across a fresh dead mammoth.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9756.036

And cut it up with a projectile point. Yeah. Or cut it up with a blade. They were killing mammoths. Yeah. That's my take on it. They were killing mammoths.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9769.523

That's this idea when we're talking about that ice-free corridor deal, and you look at how fast humans filled up the North and South America. like a sort of motivational driver for that really quick spread would be that, let's say you pop out in the Great Plains and the animals have never seen a person, right? A mammoth has never seen a person. You just walk up and kill it.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9794.154

And you do that for a couple months in some valley and then everything gets like, oh shit, it's one of them things and runs away. Well, jump to the next valley. Yeah. And find more of the ones that don't, you know, find more of the ones that have never seen you.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9810.68

You know, like I've had occasion before to see like a elk that would have had no way to encounter a dog, encounter a dog. And their attitude is kind of like, the hell is that? You know what I mean? They're, like, curious about it. They're kind of looking at it. So you can imagine, like, these early peoples could probably just walk up on a lot of shit and just kill it. Probably, right? Yeah.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9832.688

It's like, what's this thing going to do? Yeah, what's this thing going to do? Fuck out of here. And all of a sudden, like, dah! Some bitch stabbed me. So that was an idea that pushed like how fast people spread around. And then they weren't fighting each other because they were all, there's no competition for resource.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9849.073

They're not fighting each other and they're enjoying like very high reproductive rates because they're drowning in food and there's no conflict.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9872.225

Wow. Staggering. We'll never know.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9878.808

Well, they're getting closer to knowing now because now they can do crazy shit like they can go into pond sediments. Do you know what I mean? Like stuff shedding, you know, you're shedding, you're shedding cells all the time. Right.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9890.698

At some point you'll go down 10 feet into some pond and pull a little bit of sediment out and lay that sediment out and do some analysis and be like, Oh, there's skin cells from six mammoths, a short face bear. Right. Right. Whatever. It's just, it's getting crazy, you know? It's funny, like talking about Indiana Jones, like that style, like the archaeology is becoming increasingly anthropology.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9918.382

Archaeology is becoming like the realm of the science, like the lab scientist. You know, I mean, not not the field work. Like it's so much more. It's such a Richard field of inquiry now to analyze stuff we already have than it is to go find new stuff. You follow me? Yeah. And when you go on an archaeological dig, they just dig a fraction. There's a knowledge now.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9943.443

There's a knowledge now that tomorrow we're going to know a bunch of shit we don't know. So if we got 100 squares, we'll just dig one now. And the impulse used to be just to come in and like destroy the whole site, right? And wash everything away with hoses and just look for big bones and big stone points.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9961.833

And you'd come away with thinking that they use big stone points to kill big bones because you just washed into the ditch all of that micro evidence, all of those small bones, all the plant pollen. You just washed everything away because you kind of knew what you were looking for.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9977.079

So we probably make the same mistake now. So when you go to a dig, they just go like, we'll just check this little square and then leave. You know, this is protocol now. Knowing that in 10 years, 100 years, whatever, someone's going to have a way better way. They'll stick some little stick down there and we'll tell them everything they need to know, you know.

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#2258 - Steven Rinella

9998.348

Oh, yeah. No, you had him on the show.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1003.852

Why would the people do it? What kind of a monster turns into this genocidal maniac and brings people to the jungle and does this? But when you do it with any other subject, you can kind of get away with that until it gets to Nazis, until it gets to World War II. And then people have these red flags that pop up that just completely block out any objectivity. They remove all nuance.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

103.361

Yeah, there's a giant disparity between his stand-up, which is good, his good stand-up. And the Bo Nickel fight was entirely stand-up. It was a good fight. He looked good on the feet. But you would never say, this is like an Israel Adesanya type character. He doesn't have that level of proficiency with striking. But God, when he gets on his back. You're in such danger.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1034.958

You lose all objectivity. You just – anything you're saying, imagine being a young man drafted into Hitler's army at 17 years old and not knowing what you're doing and then becoming this monster. That's a Nazi apologist, right? This is – we've –

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1050.848

had this reductionist perspective on anything that has to do with that horrific moment in history, that if you even attempt to do this very comprehensive process that you do with all other subjects, where you look at the human angle, you look at these people, the conflict, how did this get started? It's not there's good people on one side and there's evil people on the other side.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1075.274

No, there's genuinely just human beings and there's horrible circumstances and then there's evil people who lead these people in horrible circumstances to do evil terrible things and people are tribal and they can buy into all kinds of crazy ideas and go forth and do horrific atrocities and believe that god is on their side this is a part of being a human being that has existed fucking forever

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1102.208

But in our culture, in our media environment where everybody is rightly so, so terrified of anti-Semitism because there's real anti-Semitism out there. And real anti-Semitism is horrible, just like real racism is horrible. The problem with calling everything racist and everything anti-Semitic when it's clearly not is that you diminish what that word means. You're essentially crying wolf.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1125.429

You're doing it in ways where –

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1127.831

rational logical people who know your work have a very good argument against it like this doesn't make any sense in the context of which it was said if you look at the body of his work if you look at how he talks about things this is how he approaches stuff this whole being provocative is part of what you do it's part of what makes the the the audio come to life in these podcasts when you're talking about these moments in history

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1152.645

This subject is just so sore with people and particularly right now after October 7th where, you know, I just – I remember all of a sudden going on X and seeing anti-Semitism just like right out in the open, blaming Jews for everything, going – whoa, like, has this been hiding? And then you start thinking the way your paranoid Jewish friends think, that everybody's anti-Semitic.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1178.707

And you go, well, now I kind of understand why they think that way. So I kind of understand the overreaction, but it is still an overreaction. And I think what you do is very valuable. It's very valuable to me, and it's very valuable to human beings that want to hear this nuanced, comprehensive

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1200.231

perspective on these conflicts and from a person who obviously cares deeply about them and cares deeply about the human cost of these. One of the things you do so well, and I was just talking to Dave Smith about this yesterday, the gravity of war, the toll it takes on the people that are engaged in it and the people that are just outside of it and what is left of their civilization.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1230.635

It's fucking horrific. And it should be avoided at all costs. But you don't avoid it by exaggerating. You don't avoid it by distorting someone's perspective and turning everybody into a monster so that everyone's scared to talk at all. Because this is the main objective. Most overreactions like that that are public and hyper-aggressive and constant and continuous... It's not just you.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

125.103

Like, nobody else in the division. It's weird. Because most guys, you're on their back. You're not really worried about it. With Paul Craig, it's like everything has to be tight. Especially guys that size.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1258.826

It's to stop anybody from ever doing anything like that in the future to let them know there's consequences. There's going to be financial consequences. There's going to be your status online, whatever your... However, you're viewed by people will be now marred forever with this ugly stain of being not just an anti-Semite, but a Nazi apologist. That's what I read. Nazi apologist.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1284.904

Like you can't say that unless you listen to his stuff. You can't unless they listen to your work. They can't say that because they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. It's like someone trying to opine upon a culture that they've never read about or never visited. You don't know what you're saying.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1309.542

Yeah, I wouldn't go.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1316.426

You shouldn't have told people that.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

1321.732

Yeah, it's a wild place. You got wolves and bears. This is just part of what people do.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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Yeah. The attempt is to make you radioactive.

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I think there's a bunch of things going on simultaneously. I think some of this is coordinated. And I think – because I think that with everything now online, I think there's –

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public momentum opinions that aren't necessarily organically shaped and um there's there's groups that will mass tweet about something and now we know that there's ai programs that will devise uh various different tweets and people are running them through hundreds of computers if not thousands of computers all with multiple accounts And they're posting things constantly. And they're doing this.

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Well, it's really hard to do. And also, most people don't want to be on their back. So they don't even practice off their back. And the common thought amongst coaches is when you're on your back, there's two minutes to go. You're probably not going to pull a submission off.

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There was a call to make it illegal for any employee of the government to post on social media. I was like, that sounds outrageous. That sounds like something that would stifle political discourse. I want congressional people to be able to be whistleblowers and to talk about what's really going on. And this is why this bill can't get passed. This is why they added this to this. This is bullshit.

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But then someone explained to me that what they're trying to stop is astroturfing, is that if you're working for the government or for now, this is with USAID, the concept of the non-government organization comes into play. So people realize that NGOs are actually funded by taxes. So it's a non-government organization doing the bidding of the government.

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And some of that may or may not include social media campaigns about specific issues. And I think this happens with everything. I think this happens probably on the Free Palestine sign. I think they probably do it. I think it happens on the Protect Israel side. They do it. I think everybody does it.

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And it's confusing because you'd like to know how do normal human beings actually think, the actual world thinks. versus massive amounts of people that are being financially incentivized to post these things. They're being paid. They're part of an organization that gets paid. They get funded. They have a directive. They go out and they pursue this campaign. And they do it relentlessly.

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And they do it through organic ways, like people who are... aligned with their cause, whether it's Free Palestine or Israel First or whatever it is, you get people to post about it. They'll do it willingly because they want to show everybody they're on the right side. And they also want to proclaim on Twitter that this is their political perspective and I'm aligned with you people.

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You got to concentrate on getting back up to your feet, minimizing whatever scoring your opponent has done by taking you down and whatever shots they've landed, mitigate those as much as possible and get to the feet as quickly as possible. Yeah. That's what everybody's trying to do now.

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I'm one of the good guys. And so there's that, that happens too. And this is this chaos of social media and people looking for likes and audience capture and all that stuff that goes on. But at the end of the day, We rely upon people that we trust. We rely upon people that are supposedly objective and rational and reasonable and considerate and charitable.

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People who look at things and go, okay, what is – what's really going on here? Like what is – like before I cast judgment, maybe I should pay attention to some of the things this guy has done. Maybe I should pay attention to his work. Maybe I should look into this instead of just repeating Nazi apologist because someone wanted to take –

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Just an overall comprehensive look at what happened, which is we should all want to know what happened from a bunch of different perspectives so we could prevent any of this shit from happening in the future.

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But is this pre or post concentration camps? Is this pre or post the beginnings of the Holocaust? Yeah. This is where it gets into that. Like, should we decide to stop something in its tracks at whatever cost of life? Because ultimately that is the right thing to do because we're witnessing the genocide of people. And then we're also witnessing violence.

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a group that will remain in power that has not just committed genocide, but is committed to genocide. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

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Well, look at like the Armin Sarukian fight. If you think about that fight with Charles Oliveira, Charles Oliveira caught him multiple times in like deep submissions, which I think should count for a lot. which I thought if I looked at who won that fight, I would say Oliveira won that fight. Oliveira had him in deep trouble.

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It was kind of a controversial opinion, but I think a tightly locked triangle or a Darce choke or anything along those lines should be considered winning. You're doing something very difficult to do. Your opponent doesn't want it to happen. You've dominated a position to the point where you've secured a submission. And then this guy sneaks out with sweat and technique and fucking grit and

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I think we were talking about how exciting the Ankalayev and Pereira fight was, even though people didn't like it because it wasn't like some crazy result, a giant knockout like you get in most Pereira fights. But it was so technical. And Ankalayev just did a fantastic job of shutting down the scariest guy in the division.

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It's almost like it's an obligation. If you're going to cover a horrific figure, you have to look at things that way. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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Oh, definitely.

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I'm a giant fan of Armenians. You know what I love about them? There's so many great fighters in the UFC all the way back to Carl Parisian. I've been Armenian, but I like the style of the people.

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Yes, they do. It's great to be around. I love it. Very friendly people, too. So this podcast, I never say who's coming on the podcast. I just put it out there. Everybody knew that Trump was coming on, and this has been a couple of times where people knew that I was interviewing people. For the most part, I just like to do it, have the conversation, and then put it out.

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But again, I think this is what's really important about your work is that you do take into consideration all these aspects. Which, again, with Jim Jones, that's fine. Yeah. But you – even what you're saying is – it's obviously very relevant to what we're trying to – when we're trying to understand how World War II happened, how did the Nazis rise to power? Like what are we talking about?

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That's what we're talking about. We're talking about this horrific environment that's not considered. It doesn't make you a Nazi apologist. Right.

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But you put it on Twitter that you were coming on, and then the campaign began.

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There's also general suspicion when cultures move into areas and don't assimilate and then try to bring with them the rules of their land, which we're particularly scared of in America. We hear the concept of Sharia law. People start to freak out. Well, there's people that move here that want that, and they don't want to assimilate, and they don't want to be a part of this homogeneous culture.

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They want to change it. So that scares people too.

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Yeah. I saw what happened with you on the Tucker Carlson thing, and I spoke about it almost immediately on the podcast whenever I felt like it came up. I don't remember how many days afterwards, but I've been listening to your podcast for a long time, and it's so charitable and comprehensive.

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It's amazing, dude. And I had Peter Berg on here. That's right. That's right.

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Yeah, that was amazing, too. And how about the Mormon guy? Bring him young.

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They were fucking dangerous foes. You couldn't fuck with the Mormons back then.

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so thorough and so you put so much weight on the real lives and suffering of human beings on all sides of any conflict the regular people that didn't want to be dragged into any war that find themselves on the front line the stories that you tell and the way you tell them is so comprehensive and so again, charitable, like the humanity of these people is so well expressed.

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It's also, there's a thing when an all white country wants to stay all white where people get very nervous of. If you have, you know, let's say China. Like China is Chinese people. We all agree that it's like, it's filled primarily with Chinese people. There's people that live there from all walks of life all over the world, but it's mostly Chinese people.

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If China had decided that they wanted to remain Chinese and stay Chinese and that being Chinese is very important to what China is, no one would have a problem with that. When a country like Poland does it, you're like, oh, those white people, they want to keep everybody out. They want it to be all white. Because that's... post World War Two. That's that's post Aryan race talk.

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That your fans know you. I'm a fan. I know you. I know how you view things. I know how you portray things. I know how honest you are about all aspects of conflict. And again, as charitable as possible, the way you lay this out. So when I saw these attacks on you and when people were calling you an anti-Semite and a Nazi apologist, I was like, good Lord.

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That's post Nazi stuff. That's what people are legitimately freaked out about. That's the most recent stain in our history where we look back and say, wow, that was close. Evil almost won that.

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this is not going to work on people who know him. You know, I've been through that ringer before. I know what that is. But with you, I was like, all anyone needs to do, and I encourage you, if you're like, I can't believe you have this guy on, listen to Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem. Listen to it. You don't even have to listen to the whole thing. Listen to the first hour of it.

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Well, here's the question. Is it coordinated immigration? Are they going there because there's job opportunities? Are they going there for a better way of life? Are they being told to go there? Like, what's causing the mass immigration to Ireland?

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It's interesting because I do agree that it's cool that you go to places and they're uniquely, like I love Scotland. You go to Scotland, it's uniquely Scottish. You go to places, you get to take part in their way of life. To see the world through their culture and the way they view things, it's interesting. But I also love the melting pot of America. I love it. And I come from immigrants.

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My grandparents came here during the early parts of the 1900s. And so I'm thankful that they were courageous enough or their parents were courageous enough to get on a fucking boat before YouTube. No idea what was going on over here. It was just promises and hopes and try to carve out a life. And that's where I came from.

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So it would be insanely hypocritical of me to deny someone who came from another country an opportunity to partake in this place. But. I also think that it's coordinated and I think that they're doing it in America for a lot of bizarre reasons that you could attribute to trying to stack states and trying to overwhelm

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Democratic voter registration in swing states and allow people to vote and give them a pathway to citizenship and allow them to vote and get them on the dole, get them on – whether it's social security. We've talked about this before where people were encouraged to say that they had bad backs or headaches so that they could be permanently disabled on social security and just –

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Then you have a customer. You have a client. And then that client is going to – you're going to call upon them to vote for you. And if you only need 10,000 votes here or 20,000 votes there and they're objectively shipping in 10 times that much to some of these swing states, you got to wonder. Like this is not just –

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This is kind of taking advantage of the charitable aspect of Americans, how we view people wanting to come here for opportunity, which most of them are just doing that. Most of them are people that unfortunately were born in a place with no possibilities and a lot of crime and a lot of danger. And they have a family and they want to do better. And they came here and I love it.

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I love that they do that. I love that they make it. I love that this is a place for that. But that can be taken advantage of.

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That can be taken advantage of in order to control the political parties, in order to tighten down on the laws, tighten down on the surveillance state, get everybody to use an app, put everybody on central bank digital currency because it's more stable, have a social credit score system to make sure that everything goes well. And then the next thing you know, everyone's self-centered.

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And there's no fucking way the person who made that is anti-Semitic in any way, shape, or form. And that... That's just one of the things that you've done that show that.

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Everyone is Twitter before Elon bought it. It's just... it's a dangerous place for freedom. And that's ultimately what America has to say that we stand for above all. This is the place. If there's a place on earth where you can be free, this has got to be that place. This is what we came here for. It's where the founding fathers, this is what they were trying to do.

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With all the flaws and all the terrible things that took place here, yes, absolutely. Land acknowledgements, hallelujah. But at the end of the day, This place is supposed to represent freedom. But freedom can be manipulated. And you can use your empathy and they can use it against you.

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And unfortunately, you have to be aware that there's nefarious forces that are involved in all areas of society where enormous amounts of money can be transferred. And that's how you have to look at it. This is ultimately about money.

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And whether it's about money, bringing in people for cheap labor, which I think is fucked, because I think if you're in America, if you're here, if you're here, we're going to call you an American. You should get paid what a fucking American gets paid. You should get health coverage. You should get everything.

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Shouldn't be able to like get people just because they walked over here and you get them to work for slave wages. That's ridiculous. That's insane. That's anti-American.

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It is.

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It's true. It's true. And that's the dirty little secret of construction sites.

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The problem is when someone says something and they're trying to be hyperbolic or they're trying to get a reaction or you're shit talking or you post a meme online or something like that, this bizarre culture we live in that wants to reduce people to the worst possible interpretations of what they said or who they are and to ignore everything else

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We all remember the photos of people working on the Empire State Building, walking on the beams. Yeah. Just no safety, nothing, leather shoes.

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But for one small tweet or one statement made in trying to be – trying to get a reaction, trying to be outrageous, like it's a stupid thing that we do. And as someone who values your show and listens to your show all the time – I don't find, it's not just stupid. It's bizarre how many people fall for this kind of stupidity. And I know how this whole thing works.

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Yeah.

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I guarantee you probably gained a bunch of fans and you probably gained a bunch of people who listened because most of the time when someone gets discredited in the media or someone gets shamed, a lot of people will immediately hop on board, but a lot of other people will go, well, what is this guy saying? Like, what is this about? Like, what's their content like?

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I'm glad you brought up the labor movement because I feel exactly the same way. And knowing the history of the way people striking were treated and what could have happened had they not been successful. Yeah. You know, you think about unions, you think about corruption and waste and fraud. That's unfortunately, that happens a lot. And greed. People making too much money.

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I mean, they blamed a lot of the unions on the collapse of the American automobile industry in Detroit. You know, they wanted too much money, they were too greedy, and they sent everything overseas. And then the whole Flint, Michigan thing, Michael Moore's documentary, Roger and Me.

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It's one of those things where unfortunately we look at negative aspects of it and we don't have a full perspective of where we would be without that. When the powerful – and this is what everyone is afraid of on the left and rightly so. When the powerful – have so much and their resources are so vast that they can control everyone else and that they could stifle your ability to earn an income.

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They could siphon off all your money. They don't have to pay taxes. They fuck everybody over and they just want more and more and more and it's a blight on society. And I think there's like, I think we both agree there's like some sort of a comfortable middle ground.

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I don't believe socialism is a way to run a country, but I do think there's socialism aspects of our country that we can't ignore are powerful and important. One of them that I bring up all the time is the fire department. Fire department is a totally socialist idea. You don't have to pay them money.

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If you live in a house that's worth a million dollars, if you live in a house that's worth $200,000, they put out fires. If you can afford it or if you can't afford it, they put out fires. We all agree you got to put out fires. We all kind of agree you should have a good education. But obviously, states are different in the resources and local districts are different in the resources.

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And you see very nice neighborhoods that have really good schools and you see terrible neighborhoods that have terrible schools. So we don't really completely treat that the way we should. That should be a socialist thing that everybody should get along with, that everybody should say, yeah, that's good for everybody. Another thing is – and this is very controversial, but socialized medicine.

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the idea that you should go broke because you broke your leg is fucking crazy. If we're a community of people that are supposed to be supporting each other and helping each other, the best thing we could do is help one of the members of the community become... active and productive and contribute to society. That makes everybody better and greater and we should be willing to contribute to that.

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And if they listen to your show, they will realize, like, It's one of the very best long-form history podcasts that's available online. It's fantastic. It's really good. So it's so unfortunate that there is these attack vectors that they could use to try to change perception of who you are.

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But I want my orthopedic surgeon driving a fucking Mercedes. I want that guy to be a bad motherfucker who gets compensated for it because that's the type of guy who becomes an artist. That's the type of guy who works on the Lakers' knees. That's the type of guy you want. Like, oh, that's Mike. He does the cowboys whenever they have shoulder injuries. That's the guy. You want that guy.

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You want the guy with the nice watch. You want the guy who lives in a big house because that guy is fucking dialed in and focused. You don't want a guy who doesn't feel like he's being compensated enough. You don't want a guy who feels like he's expendable. You want a guy who feels like he's a fucking rock star. That's what you want if you want your mom getting brain surgery, right?

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You want a rock star surgeon doing that. So I believe in competition, and I believe in merit, and I think it's very, very important for our society as a whole. But I also think there should be a much larger safety net for individuals so they don't go broke if they have a fucking knee surgery. Or if you break your back, you shouldn't have to fucking go bankrupt. That's kind of crazy.

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And I think labor unions are very important. It's very important to not allow... a corporation that is entirely designed to make as much money as possible dictate how much money its workers get. Because the poorer you are, the more desperate you are, the less likely you are to do anything about it.

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When you get comfortable and you want to be more comfortable and you say, this isn't fair, we could sit out for six months, that's when you become dangerous. When you have the ability to strike. When the Writers Union in Los Angeles strikes, that's a fucking real problem, man. That's a real problem. That shuts everything down.

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And they get recognized because of that, and then they get, hopefully, fairly compensated because of that. It's an important part of our society.

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But the fortunate aspect is there's so much of your work out there that anyone could just comb through, and you're not hearing that side of it from any of these people, any of these detractors.

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No one's saying, listen, I listened to some of his stuff, and maybe he shouldn't have said what he said about Winston Churchill, but I think he was just being hyperbolic, and if you just listen to actually what he says about the whole conflict, you kind of get an understanding of who this guy is. And so there was a lot of resistance to having you on. But I was like, fuck that resistance.

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Which is pretty bizarre that we've had to adjust to that so quickly. So many changes so rapidly. Changes in transmit, the ability to move people, transit, the ability to take people from Europe quickly, relatively, to America. Trains.

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machines, the Industrial Revolution, all this happening, cities emerging, like enormous populations, and then the squalor in which those people are living in, which is, I mean, that's really the dirty secret of the beginnings of all these cities. These people were shitting in outhouses, public ones on the street. Everybody lived in squalor, rats, disease. Horrible nutrition.

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In the winter, you don't get any fresh vegetables. There's nothing there to get. Everyone's malnourished. Everyone's living terribly. And everyone's terrified that they won't have enough money to put food on the table. And they're all under the oppressive thumb of whoever has the most money who could provide them with jobs.

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I know what you actually do. And so that's why we're here.

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It's a scary thought when you think about the history of the human race, about people generally had sort of specific roles in society that you could gravitate towards, and that would be your trade. And that would be your way to integrate with society. You were a blacksmith. You did this, you did that. Everybody found a thing, did the thing, and it all sort of cohesively worked.

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And then all of a sudden you have jobs. A bunch of people waiting in line. Soup kitchens. And then you have this oppressive factory environment where, first of all, everything's coal-powered. They do a great job in Peaky Blinders of highlighting that. The streets are gray. Everything's a dull, dark gray. So everybody's getting polluted. Everyone's sick, period.

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You're sick because there's shit in the streets. Everyone's riding horses. The horse is shit everywhere. There's shit everywhere. Your whole existence is hell. And then you have massive organized crime. Violent, horrific, gangs of New York style organized crime all throughout your city. Violence everywhere.

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I'm not going to like explain what you said because you were talking about what you say to Jocko. Right.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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Well, it was so interesting because the consequences of exchanging with Pereira are so high, but also Ancalayev. Ancalayev's knocked a lot of people out. We always look at Pereira's knockouts, but Ancalayev's knocked out some of the best guys in the division, and he only lost one time, and that was Paul Craig has the nastiest fucking triangle. It's so sneaky and so quick, and you don't expect it.

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Yeah. When you are putting together a piece like Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem, how do you account for that? Like, how do you how do you try to have this balanced, nuanced perspective when you're getting, in many cases, a biased perspective that you're researching from?

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Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. The guys today, I think, are the highest level fighters of all time. We running? Hey, Daryl. What's going on, man? How's it going? We were just talking UFC. Yeah.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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I would have let you say it. I think you're an educator, like an unconventional educator. I mean, I think that's the best way to describe it. If you're the way you describe, like say the Jim Jones disaster, the Guyana tragedy, the way you describe that, if I was in high school, I'd be like, this fucking teacher rules. Dude, my favorite. I'd be so pumped to go to that class.

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That's amazing. Yeah.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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Well, it's engaging and it's fascinating to learn about human beings. And we've been told that everybody has a 10-second attention span. This is the TikTok generation. And I think that's one of the things that I'm most happy about with the –

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emergence of podcasting is that it's kind of thrown a monkey wrench into that people are curious we're still the same we're still interested in things we're just easily distracted and we're we're constantly being bombarded by information and data but You don't have to opt into that.

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You can step out of that, and you can actually be interested in things, and it will enrich your perspective, which will help you as a human being. It'll help you navigate life. It'll help you navigate relationships and friendships and careers. The more you know, the better. The more you consider other people's perspectives, the better.

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The more you get a chance to listen to how an expert describes something,

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what they know about a specific thing and what's fascinating about it and how it engages them and how it's enriching their life like that's good for everybody that's good for everybody who listens it's good for me to be able to sit here and talk to these people you know it's good to be stimulated it's good to be curious it's good to expand your understanding of of life this life that we're all experiencing together you know and i think um that's where

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podcasts and and your podcast is very different than mine obviously because yours is actually really planned out it's almost like it should be a different category than just a podcast but that's where those things are like really important because they do engage people and they do get people that as you said might not have thought that that was for them and all sudden they're like jim jones how did he do that like and then you get into your series on it it's

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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utterly fascinating like I am particularly fascinated like a lot of people with cults because we all have this thing in the back of our head when we see something like the Jim Jones cult or Waco or anything like what would I do would I be one of those people would I be in that group would I be would I be drinking the Kool-Aid would I be with them like how does a person get sucked into cutting their balls off and putting the purple Nikes on and waiting for the spaceship yeah how does that

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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What causes that? Wild, wild country. I'm sure you've seen that. Incredible.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

6542.385

Oh, my God. Yeah.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

6544.966

Wow.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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This is what's so fascinating about all cults. In the beginning, they seem great. Like the Jim Jones thing in the beginning. What a great idea. Bring everybody together. We're all family. You know, it's complete equals. Let's all live together in harmony. That's wild, wild country, too. In the beginning, it looks great. My friend Todd, we went out to dinner after the wild, wild country came on.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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And he goes, in the beginning, I was like, I want to join. What can I do? It seems like a way better way to live life.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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It's just they all turn bad, and they all go the same way. It all goes to sex and drugs. I don't understand it. It's so weird. Yeah. Well, they all sort of start off pretty fun.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

7648.803

Oh, that is just a big part of the program.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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You have to have them or you can't get the men to stay.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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That was the cult out here. Before we bought the Comedy Mothership on 6th Street, which was the old Ritz Theater, we were in contract with this place called the One World Theater that was owned by the people that were running this cult called the Bodhi Tree that was the subject of the documentary Holy Hell. I didn't know about that until I was under contract.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

7692.374

My friend Adam was like, have you seen the documentary? I'm like, oh no, this fucking documentary. And then you watch the documentary and that's what it was. It was a guy who was a gay porn star and a hypnotist who starts this cult and he gets all these yoga people. He's teaching yoga classes, gets all these yoga people to live together. And in the beginning, it looks amazing.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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It looks like so much fun. Everyone's doing yoga. They're eating healthy food. They got a community together. They live together. They grow food. And then of course it goes sideways. Yeah.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

7755.356

Oh, wow. It's interesting, yeah. I didn't know that.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

7758.758

Yeah, I'll ask him. I didn't know that. Shout out to Big John. The original. Yeah, it's just so strange that the pattern repeats itself over and over again of one person with the answers, one charismatic figure who believes they're right and gets a bunch of people to go with them and in the beginning makes a very – Very attractive environment for these people.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

7788.083

Really does foster this sense of community and belonging. And then eventually it all goes sideways. And it almost always has to do with some sort of either amphetamines or something along those lines.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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When did you live there? So I was seven, so that was 71-ish. Okay. So this is like around – No, 74-ish? 74-ish?

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

7859.627

Well, especially after 70, right? Yeah. They passed the Sweeping Psychedelics Act. It didn't cover prescription amphetamines. In the pool player community where I was playing pool all the time, guys would take amphetamines and play for 36 hours in a row. And it was a war of attrition.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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The whole thing was like to see how long the other guy would be able to hold up and what kind of mixture he was on.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

7894.349

Yeah, but look at cocaine movies. Look at the 1980s. Everything's a cocaine movie. They're terrible. Yeah. You go and watch, like, Le Mans. Go watch, like, some of these, like, really interesting films from the 1970s or the 1960s. And then you go 20 years forward. You're like, what the fuck happened? Cocaine happened. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody started believing that everything they did was awesome.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

79.949

He's so high level off his back. And he caught him, I think, with like one second to go in the third round, a fight that he was losing. Yeah, he broke Jamal's arm or dislocated his elbow too.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8128.705

Can you imagine? Could you imagine? Also, can you imagine being held in a Vietnamese prison for 10 years in a war that you there's no way you can justify it. There's still like no one has. And they probably know the Gulf of Tonkin was bullshit. Right. Fuck, and you come back to America and you see Led Zeppelin. You're like, what happened? What did I miss? From Buddy Holly to Jimi Hendrix.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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Jimi Hendrix is dead at this point. So you have to go back and listen to recordings and go, what the fuck did I miss? You can't even watch it on YouTube. How is this guy playing the Star Spangled Banner with his teeth? What happened?

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8341.068

very often like form the reputation that the rest of society sort of attaches to those people you know what i mean yeah yeah and um do you ever read gladwell's take on the appellation folks too that they they emerged from herding populations and that herding populations had to be particularly violent because you had to defend your cows because someone could come along your sheep

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8361.841

and steal all of them whereas if you're a farmer it's very difficult to steal all your corn it's very difficult to steal all your crops like it takes time you have to pluck them you have to you know pick them carry them and that these people had a very violent past because they were used to defend like if they stole your sheep they stole your food you starve to death winter's coming yeah you had to defend it and they were particularly violent this is why you get into some of the feuds that happen in in those areas which are legendary they all came from or

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8518.979

Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah. It's very difficult to take people out of the context of the world that they live in right now. It's very difficult to even imagine living in a time like that. I think that's one of the more fascinating and important parts about history and long-form history podcasts in particular because they're so entertaining and engaging like Dan Carlin's and yours and Daniele Bolelli.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8548.793

He's great at it too. There's a bunch of people that do it now. And it's – It's a very difficult path mentally to try to even imagine yourself in a time like this. I'm a giant fan of Dan's series on Genghis Khan and the Mongols.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8569.208

Just try to imagine living in a time where there's a group of people that have formed a super army for the very first time and they've killed 10% of the population of Earth. And they're sacking entire cities, burning them to the ground, piling up the bones in the middle of the city to where people walking up to it think it's a snow mound. They don't even know what it is from the distance.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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And that's it. You got to get your shit together and go deal with that. Crazy. It's crazy. And this is the reality of people who are unfortunate enough to be born at that time. And we are very fortunate to be born at the time that we're born. But still. We are going to be looked back upon by future more enlightened civilizations the same way we look back upon the Mongols.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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We will look back upon what's going on in all the wars in the world, all the things that we've done, all the things that we continue to have done, the lies, the propaganda, the taking advantage of people for financial gain, all the things that we do right now. They're going to look back. Factory farming, that's my big one.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8659.59

Oh, it's disgusting. It's a horrific way to live. And unfortunately, when you have enormous populations of people that constantly require food and don't grow anything, you have to come up with some way to feed those folks. And I'm a giant fan of regenerative farming, but I'm very skeptical that that could scale out to where you could just go in and out and get a double-double.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8679.958

Just like that from regenerative agriculture. I don't know. I don't mean maybe it can be done. There's a lot of land that's not utilized in this country. Maybe it can be done. What do I know? But what I do know is that factory farming is fucking disgusting.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8693.27

And when you have ag gag laws where a person working there who's horrified can't even alert the general public or they face consequences, legal consequences, you can go to fucking jail for telling people about something that's absolutely horrific that shouldn't be legal.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8707.702

That's crazy. That's just a crazy thing. And that's just a byproduct of protecting corporations above our moral and ethical structure. And then the reality of needing food for all these people. And how do you mitigate that without upending the entire industry instantaneously? And how do you do that? How does it even scale out?

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8737.261

His family owned an industrialized farm, and they used industrial fertilizers and all that jazz. It took him 20 years and who knows how many dollars to convert his farm to regenerative agriculture, and the result's been incredible. I mean, just soil richness, the way they've been able to show that they can have these animals exist in what's basically confined nature.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8761.078

You just sort of manipulate nature and let them do what they would naturally do if they were all living together on the plains. And then that's how we're supposed to grow food. And this is like... the most ethical way, the healthiest way, the best way for the land. It's zero carbon footprint. It actually sequesters carbon this way.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

8780.358

It's the way the earth is supposed to exist with all these animals. But we've sort of – we've bastardized that. And I think you're right that in future generations they're going to look upon that and go, what the fuck were they – they knew they had the internet. They knew. They watched the videos. They saw it. They saw it and they just like put the blinders on and kept buying cheeseburgers.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

9468.61

It really is. And it's – again, it's so hard to put yourself in the perspective of those people that are living life back then where you have completely different expectations, completely different norms. And I think that's one of the reasons why your podcast is so valuable. Yeah. So listen, man, thank you very much for being here. I really appreciate it.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

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I'm sorry that all that stuff happened to you, but I think ultimately it just made more people aware of your show, which is excellent. Thanks, man. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. It's Martyr Made. It's available everywhere. Audio only.

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#2289 - Darryl Cooper

977.576

Well, this is one of the reasons why your podcast is so important because you talk about things in this way. And this is one of the reasons why I knew you were misconstrued or you would be misconstrued if something like that came up. Doing that is fine with Jonestown. With Jonestown, everybody's like, well, how could these people have convinced these people to drink the Kool-Aid?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10053.668

Well, that's the thing is that first of all, the one we were talking about this the other day with me and my friends are saying part of the problem is these people can't conspire right now because all their phones are tapped. Everybody that for sure.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10068.464

If they're investigating you, if they're investigating these things like the power that they have. Is astronomical. It's crazy. The power that they have to look into people's emails, look into people's phones, find out what text messages they're sending. They can look into your signal.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10082.432

Yeah. They look into everything. So the idea that they're not doing that, if they're in the middle of some fucking multi-trillion dollar investigation into rampant fraud, so they know that this is going on. So they can't conspire. And then they also have to worry about people taking deals. So there's going to be some people that squeal.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10098.938

And so then you don't know who's your fucking enemy and who's your friend. And everywhere you talk, you go to have a lunch with someone, he's wearing a fucking button camera. You could be fucked. And so they're not united right now. And this is why it's working. And this is why they're able to release all this information and everybody's in this hot panic right now.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10150.445

Oh, yeah? There was another video today about people going around the Doge system to try to still do the same work.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10162.511

Wasn't there an issue with FEMA releasing? Is this true?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10181.863

And the Roosevelt Hotel, by the way, is owned by Pakistan.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10209.986

Four federal employees were fired Tuesday over payments to reimburse New York City for hotel costs for migrants. Department of Homeland Security officials said the workers were accused of circumventing leadership to make the transactions, which have been standard for years, through a program that helps with costs to care for a surge in migration.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10227.09

However, officials did not give details on how the four had violated any policies. But they put a freeze on the payments.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10238.555

Yeah, in quotes. So did they definitely do it? Wasn't Anderson Cooper disputing it? He was saying yesterday, yeah, he was talking to Sununu. And he called him a dick. Don't be a dick.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1025.606

That's that's that's the real problem. The real problem is that these news organizations are not not just news, not just news.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10269.78

Well, this is also something that the Biden administration lied about because they said the FEMA funds were not being used. of this, but they were.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1032.373

Everything. They're not independent. Even television shows. Could you imagine if, let's say a network has a prominent news organization, and that news organization is very popular, and it's a big part of their ratings, and it's a reliable source of information for people that believe them. And they're sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies, but then they also have a crime show.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10391.498

But isn't it interesting that half the country doesn't see it that way? Half the country sees it as a constitutional crisis.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10401.586

That's what's being... Top FEMA official is fired over payments to New York City migrants' shelters. Trump administration fired the Federal Emergency Management Agency's chief financial officer and three others after Elon Musk misleadingly claimed the agency had used disaster relief funds for migrant services. Wait a minute. Is this New York Times?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10418.12

This is just going to be back and forth, back and forth forever. Misleading. What is misleading about it?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10436.972

Nonetheless, just two hours after Mr. Musk's post, FEMA's acting director, Cameron Hamilton, announced the payments in question have all been suspended, even though most of the money had already been dispersed and that personnel will be held accountable. But is this a recent payment? And did they put a freeze on payments, even if the payment had been properly allocated by Biden?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10468.466

Can you go to the title there on Daily News? Oh, hold on. Sorry. You just had it there.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10475.699

Oh, Trump revokes $80 million from New York City after threat to claw back FEMA cash used to care for migrants. But it's still money to care for migrants, and they still put a freeze on that money to care for migrants.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10494.612

But that seems like gaslighting to justify spending $80 million to pay for migrants, which they shouldn't have done. No. But it's not just that. It's fly these people there, fly them into the country, let them into the country, and then pay for them with EBT cards, with debit cards.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10535.924

I think it's a multifaceted argument because I think that's – I'm just telling you what the bankers say. I think there's some truth to that, but I think also they were trying to buy votes. Yeah, I mean, all of that's a part of it. Well, you saw the thing in New York where they were trying to let people who are illegals vote in regional elections.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10555.506

That is a constitutional crisis.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1058.61

And this crime show wants to do a thing about an evil guy who promotes a vaccine that winds up killing a bunch of people, and they hide the data, and then they arrest him at the end of the show. Like, no fucking way.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10599.728

Didn't he start a podcast?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10603.843

I think he did. I think that was their idea to try to combat the podcast like this.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10714.249

That's a great idea. I think what you're saying is all of it's hopeful, right? I'm very hopeful, Joe.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10720.923

Which is great. I mean, because being cynical kind of sucks. You know, especially when this really is a very unique time of possibility. There's a lot of things that are happening right now. It's a perfect time.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10732.068

And it also feels like even to the people that didn't want what Donald Trump is doing, the idea to keep going with what was happening before, where you had someone running for president that never went through the primary, you know? Constitutional crisis. That's real.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1074.858

No, no, no, no, no. You've got to turn that guy into a meth dealer. That's a meth dealer now. Let's just do a couple of rewrites, simple rewrites of the script.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10749.697

The soft coup against Biden. All that stuff. That should disturb you that that didn't – well, it should be good that that didn't work because that's not good for anybody because if they can keep doing it that way, then you never have a primary again.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10778.243

Yeah, there's some shenanigans going on.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10788.894

A million people all over the place.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10791.336

It was nuts. It was weird.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10793.439

I did a lot. Yeah, very weird. Because you go into... I went to a lot of these things. I went to a few of these things, like these dinners and stuff.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10800.843

And it's a lot of people that donated a lot of money. And so it's very transactional, and everybody's hyper-aggressive to get photographs and talk to people. And they interject themselves into conversations, interrupt, stand right in front of people that you're talking to and want pictures or want to introduce themselves. And it's very entitled and very transactional.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1082.622

Yeah, this is a bad guy from Guatemala. He's definitely not from here. He's definitely not from Moderna. And they definitely aren't working in conjunction with the government to develop this thing. And the government's profiting off of it. That's not real.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10823.095

But I think that's always been the nature of politics, particularly with people. The reason why they were there is because they donated a substantial amount of money to the campaign.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10832.003

Yeah, which is nuts. How did this many people have a million dollars to donate? This is crazy. Amazing, isn't it? Amazing. A lot of people got a million bucks. I know.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10850.012

But there's a lot of hope. It was a very positive, obviously, because the winners were all there. But it was a very optimistic vibe, which felt good. And even the speech when he gave his inauguration speech, I mean, that was pretty fucking wild.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10867.98

Yeah.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10878.232

I smelled everything. I saw Bill and made eye contact with Bill. Me and Bill staring at each other for a while.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10888.101

I mean, he still is an imposing guy. They're in the room with you. It's a different kind of a celebrity. I remember when I went to see the Rolling Stones at COTA. I was blown away. I'm like... Mick Jagger's right there. That's actually him. And he's dancing.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10906.32

His butt's that wide. He's a stick. But he's right. You know, he has two trailers that he brings with him that are just a gym. Oh, it doesn't surprise me. Two of his trailers. He works out every day. What is he, like 78? He's 1,000 years old.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10923.424

Like recently had heart surgery. That's an amazing guy. Really, truly is. Fucking loves it, man. And they put on a fucking hell of a show. But my point is, that's one of those things where you're like, I can't believe that's really him. And that's what it's like when you're looking over there and you're like, holy shit, that's George W. Bush.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10945.009

I think.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10947.11

He wasn't too tall. Yeah.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10953.773

Nuts. I want to know the story about that. Is there any paperwork on who that guy actually was? Because that was not Joe Biden. That's a guy with a mask on.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

10969.379

Oh, from family experience.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

11025.141

Also, like how many people do you bring this to?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

11068.156

Yeah, I hope I hope some of that comes out too, but you know It would be great to know these things it would it would be great to stop lying Yeah, yeah, you should stop lying basically you should not have a fit I mean is there some sort of national security explanation that you could give for why you would have to have a fake president I

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1109.675

Mike Benz dropped some fucking seeds yesterday. Because it's true. If we're in the season of flowers, he's blooming today. Because he was so nervous yesterday. Jamie was talking about it before. He was making all these tweets like they were going to kill him.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

11190.58

Tell everybody where they can watch No Agenda.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1138.776

With a gal? I don't think you should say Leave It to Beaver.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1152.168

Because we're old enough to remember when beaver was a vagina. Most kids are like, I don't even know what the fuck they're talking about.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1158.745

What a dumb name for a vagina. A beaver. Because dudes didn't really have any derogatory names for dicks. It's just dick is the worst one. Like, oh, you're a dick. Put your dick away, you fucking weirdo. You know what I mean? It was like this. But beaver.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1172.884

Yeah. But pecker's kind of cute.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1176.105

Oh, it's just a pecker. Yeah. There's no real bad names for dick other than dick. But she comes out. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. When it came time to make a website, there was no question that we would power it with Squarespace.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

124.877

What was going on with your teeth? Yeah. That, like, made all these inventions.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1385.412

Did you see the city council thing in Worcester, Massachusetts yesterday that's gone viral today? Which one is that? Did you see it? Oh, yeah, yeah, pull this bitch up. There's a compilation of these people, like, absolutely freaking out. The best one's the compilation, if you can find the compilation.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1404.871

But it's all these LBGT people show up at this city council meeting to say there's, like, a transgenocide. It's one of those, dude. We're going to round up in concentration camps.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1415.157

Yeah, just start from the beginning. Can you wrap up, please?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1495.747

What? No, that's enough. It's like, you made me put glitter on my face, you piece of shit, because everyone knows when you go to court, you have to have glitter on your face.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1591.441

Well, someone was talking about this the other day, that this is the real problem, is that so many parents have committed to doing this to their children, and they cannot face the reality of what they've done. And so they're going to dig their heels in forever, and they're going to talk about gender-affirming care. But the thing is, that's a small percentage of people in the general population.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1614.095

Thank God. But they're overrepresented in the fact that they make it their whole life. And so they're very loud and very vocal. And then they become a political beach ball.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1626.803

The political beach ball's at a concert. They chuck them up in the air so we always have something to fight about. So we're not paying attention to like the USAID stuff or a lot of the stuff that's like really important. And this is just a part of this inter...

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1641.172

Tangled web of psyops that's been running our our culture I mean I would say our government, but it's it's everything culture so it's the government has established its hooks in us and put fear and law and rules and The more law and the more rules the better because the more likely you're gonna break a few of them and then you're gonna shut the fuck up yeah, and they they've got these fucking things everywhere and

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1667.097

It's just allowing them to run this mafia business. And there's a bunch of people that are reasonable, educated people that have Stockholm syndrome. They don't want to admit that even their people, their cherished heroes like Obama, was a part of this. Big part. All these people that you think of as progressive Democrats, they were all a part of it.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1691.349

And fortunately today, we have the convenient access to YouTube instantaneously, where you could watch Obama in 2003 say some very MAGA things. Or you could watch Hillary Clinton go more MAGA than MAGA. About deportations.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

1710.048

Yes. And that if you stay, you have to pay a stiff fine. Mm-hmm. I mean, the whole thing is, it's cyclical, right? Like, this is why the left is now supporting war and censorship. It's not real. It's not that there's a good group of kind, compassionate, educated people and a bunch of fucking buffoons who are racist who want to bring that back to Confederate flag. That's not what's going on.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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There's people that are nice, kind people that also understand the value of hard work and reality and kindness and also sternness and rule of law. And you can't just let violent criminals out in the street.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And hey, maybe you should do some actual rehabilitation with the fucking billions of dollars you make in the prison industrial complex when there's no rehabilitation, like no real concerted efforts to completely change these people and studies.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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It could be done. It could be done. And it probably could be done with psychedelic drugs. They probably can do some things with people, especially nonviolent criminals that are trying to figure out, like, why have I been stealing from people my whole life? Like, what the fuck is wrong with me? Unless they're a legitimate psychopath, they have no empathy.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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There's people that can be kind of woken up to why they're in this horrific pattern of continual abuse in their life. And there's ways to do it. And Rick Perry has been really...

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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like brave in this case because you know he's a former Republican governor of Texas and that's right and now he's advocating for ibogaine therapy particularly for veterans for guys who come over they've seen the most horrific shit their brain is in a shambles and they want to do something and they they have no no help in these

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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pills that just dull their mind and make them feel detached from reality and all these fucking antidepressants and things they give them and they want to fucking end their life and they can go and get therapy that it cures 80 of them with one dose and it's like 95 with two doses it's fucking nuts man and we've been hiding this because

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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What a risky move. It was so dumb. You're a married straight guy.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Because of the sweeping Schedule I Drug Act of 1970 that was put in place directly by Nixon to go after his political opponents. It was directly put in place to demonize the anti-war movement and demonize the Civil Rights Party and the Black Panthers and anybody who was a problem with the government.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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So they just said, let's just make all these things that these people are taking on a regular basis completely illegal. Not only just... Schedule one, with no medical use whatsoever, things that people have been using for thousands and thousands of years, and it's all the same shit. It's all psyops, it's all psyops. Have you ever heard of the audience effect?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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That is such a man move.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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It's so stupid.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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You got arrested several times for doing Pirate Radio?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Did this ever come up when you got hired by MTV? Did they get nervous about that? Did they have to do a background check?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Windows, what is it, 3.8 or something like that?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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He was more than willing to do it exactly how I do it.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I always give you your props.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, I'm just a vessel, too. I think that's the case with all of it. Absolutely. I say that to the guys at my comedy club. They're always so thankful that I built this comedy club. I'm like, I think this thing built itself. I think it was just, I was a thing that it did through me.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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It caught me because it knew that I was capable of doing it and impulsive enough and brash enough to say, fuck it, let's just dump a bunch of money in this spot and see what happens. You were given gifts.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I think you have to do that. I think that's the universe is testing you. And if you if you pay attention to yourself, you'll feel like what's the right thing to do? Like what's the thing? What is the greedy, impulsive thing to do? What is like the miserly thing to save it all? It's my money. Save it all.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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you know that's the the you know that usually doesn't usually doesn't end well for those people it's just it's bad for you too because it's i always talk about this in terms of careers like and i really try to put this in young comics minds there's an impulse that you will have when someone's doing better than you and you'll you'll be angry at them it is a bitter pathetic jealous normal instinct that people the enemy the enemy talking to you

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Disorganized men very much need organized women.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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just you have to recognize what that is what that is is you have a desire to be doing the same thing this person is doing this thing they are in the movie they are on the TV show they are headlining at the club and you feel bad because it's not you so you decide that they are bad and so you start looking at them as a source of negativity towards you and you don't do all the logical objective reasoning that allows you to go oh no no they didn't do anything wrong it's just me

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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You just can't have one that turns into your mom. No, no, that was my first wife and that does happen with some of them some of them when you give them the reins And they start telling you what to do all of a sudden then it becomes very non-sexy I will say props to my first wife.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And then those people who get really super big and famous oftentimes get very defensive and very elitist because they do understand that people are mad at them now. So then they're like, fuck those people. Those people are fucking losers. And it's bad for everybody. It's bad for everybody. The correct way to do it is to go, wow, look at what this person has accomplished. That's fucking amazing.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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That's inspiring. I want to do something like that with my life.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

2509.529

Well, it's just a ploy. It's, again, the same thing as Florida in the water. It's a fucking psyop. It's a ploy. And it's a way to keep us, instead of empowering people, to recognize that all these people that are successful are inspiration. That's what they are. They're fuel for you. You can use them.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

2528.732

Whatever that person is singing at the Grammys, when Kendrick Lamar is doing the halftime show, when someone wins a fight, that's supposed to be inspiration. That's a fuel. And you can use it correctly. Or you can fuck your whole life up by paying attention to other people and comparing yourself in a negative way. This is part of the problem with kids.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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social media oh because kids are supposed to see like oh look at Bobby he's nice to everybody and everybody likes Bobby be like Bobby like look at Mark he's fucking awesome at the guitar and everybody wants to go see him play I want someone to come see me do something I gotta I wish I was a good at something as Mark is at guitar and that's what's supposed to like raise us all up

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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But sometimes funny way blasting is important, too, because that's my line of work. You've got to talk shit.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Yeah, but how do you become a professional? You start off as an amateur.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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There are a lot more can than you think. I think a lot more, there's a lot of people out there that have the inclination that just don't get that spark, which is also one of the things we're trying to do with the club, which is also why we have two nights of open mic nights. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, we want to make it accessible.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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We want to make, this is like a place where there's a real path you can work on your act, and you're going to see guys like, on a daily basis, guys like Ron White and Shane Gillis.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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You know, there's people coming in and out of town that are doing my podcast. They're like the best of the best in the world. And they're coming to the club.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And again, I think this place, I think it built itself. I think I just had to do it. I was like.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, whatever it is, I'm listening.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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But I think it all, like too many things had to happen. Like if you want to believe in fate, if you really want to believe in fate, I should believe in fate. Because especially with like this move here, too many things had to happen in line. It had to be the pandemic. And it had to be me with young kids who just was very uncomfortable with the direction that LA was going.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

2674.96

And then it had to be the George Floyd riots and the lockdowns. And then I had to come to Texas and go, oh, there's other ways that people live. And I had known you for a long time and you lived here and you spoke very highly. And then my good friend, Gary,

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#2273 - Adam Curry

2689.318

gary clark jr he came here uh like before the pandemic and i remember talking to him on the phone i'm like why did you move back to texas he's like man i just cannot fuck with those people in la and gary's like the realest dude i know it's like one of the realest like he doesn't give a fuck about fame about that guy cares about playing that fucking guitar and playing songs as good as he can and that guy just locks himself up in a studio he's got a studio on his house at his house yeah

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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He locks himself up in there for 12 hours a day. And it's just, that guy only gives a fuck about the art. Like he's about the craft. And like, so all the bullshit that came along with living in Hollywood, like he would just come hang out at the comedy store all the time. That was just because it was like, oh, you guys are real. Like I can hang with you. We'd just be cracking up and hanging.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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So when he came out here, I was like, fuck. And then Ron White came out here. I'm like, God damn it. And then it's like, oh, I fucking love it. It's fucking airports, a breeze, no traffic. Everyone's nice. It's the middle of the country. Fuck. And then the pandemic happened and it just, it was like, it all pulled me to the spot. And then it had to be the Spotify thing.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, you know, you change, they change. You need a different kind of a mom. Things change.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And then it had to be the comedy store shutting down for a year. And then it had to be all the comedy store employees that I loved were all unemployed. And so then it was like, okay, let's fucking do this.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And that's the thing about podcasting to me too. It was oddly compelling. Like it didn't make any sense. I was making no money and I was busy.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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It was definitely costing some money. And I had young kids and it was just like, why am I spending my time doing this when I should be spending my time maybe doing something to make more money? Because especially back then, It's like I wasn't doing Fear Factor anymore, so I wasn't really making the kind of money that I was making when I was on television, so I had a tour a lot.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

2803.546

So I was doing stand-up, and I was doing way too many dates with the UFC. The UFC, although I love it to death, I mean, that's the only job job I still have. I still work for somebody. It's because I've been there for so long, but it was like 22 dates a year.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I don't know. I think I'm an independent contractor. What's a W-9? How does that work? I have accountants.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

2834.157

I have a limo, ride in the back, lock all the doors in case I'm attacked.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Life's been good to me so far.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I use that song all the time. Everybody's so different. I haven't changed.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Joe Walsh is the fucking man.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

2869.304

Life in the Fast Lane. That dude changed the Eagles. The Eagles are on their way to killing your testosterone and making women cry all day. And then all of a sudden Joe Walsh comes along and now you've got Life in the Fast Lane. Give me that riff. Give me the beginning of Life in the Fast Lane.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

2886.912

It was wild rock and roll guitar attached to this beautiful voice and lyrics and songs and songwriting. Give me this, Jamie. Give it to me. See how accurate it was. But it was, there was a, there's a, you know, guitar, like I was talking about Gary, like here, oh, here we go.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

29.82

But the thing is, when I work out, I feel great. The way I can really tell, the way I judge whether or not I should even work out is when I get in the sauna in the cold punch. If I feel tired and weak when I'm in there, then I know something's going on. It's not as simple as,

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#2273 - Adam Curry

2916.039

Is that already going to get us in trouble?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

2988.06

Did you see Snoop Dogg when he was going over this?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3001.405

Isn't that because Taylor Swift owns her music? Isn't that the whole deal?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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just because people can send it through the internet through we actually use isn't that crazy that six hundred dollars for a performance that goes on the internet is the most they've ever made from the internet absolutely isn't that crazy like you think about how many times they streamed like i found out about suzanne from um online some dude named balls of steel sent me a message and he said this is your new favorite song and i was like what

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3087.239

And it was Honey Honey, Angel of Death. They did an acoustic version on the top of a roof in downtown L.A. And it was incredible. And I was like, oh, my God. And then I became friends with them.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

309.058

You and I have gone over this, and we will go back to it. It's a nicotine delivery device.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3104.43

But it's like that – there's been so many streams on the radio. And the fact that you never made more than $600 is crazy. Yeah. Like something's broken.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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But then on the other hand, you can get really famous. Like people like Tyler, the creator, and all these different people that have blown up just from being on the internet. And then they do live performances.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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We'll get to that.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3141.033

Yeah, they can't call them record companies anymore if they don't make records.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

315.745

But so... So just cleaning out the infections, what was going on that that was fucking up your hearing? It was like the whole area was inflamed?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3169.726

We got it out there in the hall.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3174.909

He's such a sweetheart.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3194.039

Also, like, most unlikely looking to be the sweetest guy ever. With fucking all the face tattoos and everything.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3234.693

Yeah, I mean, law's great because it protects you from scumbags, but law's not so great.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3240.958

Because the artists are making no money. Exactly.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3258.83

That was cool. I think YouTube and social media presents very unique opportunities where a guy like Oliver Anthony can all of a sudden explode out of nowhere with one song. He's another sweetheart. Yeah, you had him on.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3274.537

Where does he live? I think he still... Is he down south? Maybe he doesn't want people to know him. Okay. Well, he lives in... I don't want to say. Around. But he was, I mean, back... Was he... He was in Virginia?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Richmond, because Richmond, North of Richmond was the song. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, that's where he was. I don't know if he's there anymore.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Yeah, I called him up when it all started popping off for him.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3308.743

I'm going to sign you to my Rogan Records. You're going to make millions. Here, take this Cadillac. It'll be great. Yeah, I sent a Cadillac right to his house. That's the last thing you want to give that guy. You want to give him a 1983 Chevy that's redone, a pickup truck, an F-150 from the 80s that's redone, the boxy ones. Eight track in the dash, good to go. Yeah. No, he's a genuine guy.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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He's a really nice guy. And we had this conversation over the phone. He said, people are offering me millions of dollars to do this and that and this. I go, stay independent. And he goes, they keep saying I got to strike while the iron's hot. I go, no, no, no, no, no. Listen to me. You've already made it. All you have to do now is just keep doing what you just did. And you can do that, right?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3352.279

I'm sure you have other songs. He goes, oh, I got a bunch of other songs. Then he sent me some of his other songs, which are just as good, if not better. And I was like dude you have talent talent is what you that's what everybody needs all this other stuff is people Just trying to take advantage of your talent stay independent.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3366.069

That's what I mean about you Joe You are you're a good guy, but I was already I I was already past that Spot where he's at like I'd been in that spot before where people are offering you deals and stuff like that I know what the the trappings of that is you're broke and And then all of a sudden, you have money. And for me, it worked out great. That happened to me in 1993.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3385.906

I got this big development deal with Disney. And I moved out to California to do a sitcom. But I wanted to be a comic. And then all of a sudden, I've got all this money that's coming from TV. I'm like, this is so weird. Was that news radio? No, that was hardball. It was a baseball show that was on Fox that never made it.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3407.747

It actually started at MTV because I got a development deal with MTV first. Really? Yeah, but the development deal at MTV was like 500 bucks. To do a pilot. I'm not kidding. Sounds like MTV.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3419.093

It was like 500 bucks. Maybe 5,000. I don't think it was, though. I think it was $500. And if I did the pilot and the pilot was successful, they would have me locked in for some exorbitant amount of time. I think it was like five years where I couldn't do anything other than MTV. And it was because... They had a few people that became really famous off MTV and then left.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And so they had decided that MTV is going to keep all of their talent.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3506.414

Who the fuck would tell you to cut that Farrah Fawcett? That's a beautiful head of hair. That's an amazing. Good times, brother.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3514.02

Imagine someone telling you that probably that was like a huge hook, too. Of course.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3536.977

Right. There's no like little tiny headed dudes that are like, wow.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3550.305

Well, doesn't that show you that the formula is bullshit then? You know, like you got a guy like Mr. Beast who is not like classically good-looking guy who's got the biggest show in the world.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3613.704

Yeah. Well, I just think he has a different approach. I mean, his approach is very scientific. He's very intelligent about it. And I'm a feel person, which is why when I get people as guests, I never think... Sometimes people think, oh, you try to get the biggest name guests because that'll be the most popular videos. I don't do that at all. Who do I want to talk to?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3638.576

That's exactly how I've always done it, so I'm going to always do it. If it happens to be Mel Gibson... Great interview, by the way.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3713.094

Really, really interesting. Well, he's a very underrated filmmaker. And I always point to Apocalypto as another example of that. There's no English in that movie. And it's a masterful movie.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

373.932

So if they find out your ears are not good, do they ever check for infections?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3733.2

It was fascinating about talking to him about what happened when he made The Passion of the Christ because it was really – it wasn't that it was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film. It was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film that was really made by the motion picture industry because he had gone outside the normal distribution system.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3752.702

So in creating that movie, he financed it himself, he went outside, he got a smaller distributor, and it did really well. And they were like- 800 million dollars or something? Exactly, so they're like, we gotta make sure this doesn't fucking happen again. And that's where the attacks came, and that's also where Jim Caviezel, his career completely stalled out.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3771.065

You would think the guys in a gigantic blockbuster movie like that, like he's gonna be in blockbuster movie after blockbuster movie after this. No, they kinda blackballed him.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3840.749

Of course it is. Well, imagine the amount of people that you have. If you have a bunch of idiots telling you to cut your hair, imagine how many dumbasses you have in the background of the movie that are telling you what to do. All the money people, all the executives. It must be so hard.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3856.665

You have to be like a Quentin Tarantino who's like, they just leave him alone, leave him alone, let him do his magic. He's an interesting, have you met him? Oh yeah, he's been on a couple times.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3864.751

We hung out with him the other night. We went out to dinner with him, him and Roger Avery, who's also awesome. And then we went to the club, and we hung out at the club. He's an interesting guy. And that's what he requested, to come to the club.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3877.356

No, he was just normal.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3883.282

Tracksuit. I get it why the mob guys wear tracksuits all the time.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3886.665

The Russian mob guys, they know.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3890.408

Adidas, that's my uniform. I think the move is like stretchy jeans. Because stretchy jeans give you all the feel of a tracksuit, but you don't look like...

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3916.974

That's really who he is. I mean, it's kind of weird in that, like, come on, everybody else is wearing a suit. But it's also kind of like, well, that's how he dresses 24 hours a day.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3932.321

Well, I felt like I had to. The vice president, too.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3935.663

I was like, I gotta wear something nice.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3942.188

My friend Harlan Williams was very happy that Demetri was on the table.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3946.551

Yeah, he gave me a giant hug. He goes, Demetri was on the table when you were interviewing the president. This is a gag that Harlan did. He said he had a tapeworm, and then three hours into the podcast, he pulls out this fucking snake out of his pants.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3960.962

He's fucking he's so funny and so unusual and so eccentric that like for him, like that was it was such a huge thing to see the snake on the table that he pulled out of his pants.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

3982.443

his people i think it's jamie and then maybe one other guy well i do have managers and they did talk to them oh they did talk to them but what they said just wasn't true but i mean it's not like you have a super big team here no it's a very even the team outside of here is not that big but it's um just can't it's just normal political bullshit they just lie they cover their ass and they lie i would have been very happy to have her on

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#2273 - Adam Curry

4007.694

And like I said, the goal was to release both of them the same day.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

4014.539

Yeah, I was trying to figure out if that would be possible to do. And that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to put them out both at the same time.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

4032.31

Well, they just got scared. They could have. They could have put her in. I would have held her hand. We would have had a conversation. I'm sure you would have. Not that I need to hold the vice president's hand.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

4041.816

But what I meant was, no, I wouldn't have done that. I wasn't going to vote for her. I don't know, Joe. She might have charmed you. But I was more than willing to strongman or steelman all of our positions. I wanted to know what would be the good in this. Even if it doesn't make any sense, express it the best way possible that you can. I will help you do that. And then I'll ask you questions.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

4067.794

But I'm not going to be antagonistic. I'm not going to be a shithead. I'm not going to be – I have no desire to turn this into a viral clip thing. I'm not trying to do that. I don't think you've ever done that with anybody. No. I don't want to – I never wanted that done to me. So why would I do that to someone else?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, I just want whoever's in that seat to do the best they can, right? So, like, whatever it is, whether you're talking about quantum physics. whether you're talking about human psychology or ancient history, I want the best version of you, and I want to kind of help you get the best version out. And if you're running for president, I'd like to get the best version of that from you.

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And I think that... The whole system of debates and public speeches and interviews is so bad for getting to know a human being. Yeah. And I guarantee you, like, I've seen interviews where she's really funny. I've seen this one. I talked about it before, but I'll say it again. This is one interview. She's talking about meeting her mother-in-law for the first time. Yes.

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And her mother-in-law grabbed her face like, oh. you're so beautiful and it's very funny and she laughs and she laughs in a genuine way it's not like that sort of defensive laughter that she does sometimes where it seems like it's orchestrated it was a genuine laughter and it was fun well she's a prosecutor that's why

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, it's very interesting to watch it all take place. It's very interesting to watch this shifting of the consciousness of the country. The culture. Yeah, but also to see the reaction on the left, like to see the really crazy people, like those people at the Worcester Town Hall thing.

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Like that – it's interesting to see that too because you're going to see these like really exaggerated grasps at retaining relevancy. Like really exaggerated.

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Yeah, also they're in this feedback loop, this echo chamber, and they don't have outside people that are kind. And everybody outside is the enemy, and they're trying to make their way through life like all of us. But without forgiveness, you have nothing. You have to be able to forgive people.

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Yeah. And you're also you have enemies forever that could have been your friends. There's no reason for it. It's not good for you. It's not good for them. And it's just like this stubborn inclination that a lot of people have to stick with that. Like, fuck those people forever for life. You really shouldn't do that. It's not good.

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Well, especially if those people feel bad, if they apologize and they realize they've made mistakes. Yeah, like that's what life's about. You got to be able to understand that in the past you've made mistakes and grow. And if we, the people that have made mistakes and grown, do not accept the people that are currently making mistakes and growing, well, then we're hypocrites.

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Well, this is another argument for deregulation, too, because when it comes to innovation, the issue with drones is that if you want like a really high level sophisticated drone in America, you have to have a pilot's license.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Yeah. That's a big deal. And the FAA is very involved in the policing of- Well, you need that.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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The thing is, without the free market, the innovation is going to be stifled. If the innovation is only available to the highest level military contractors... That's crazy, especially when it comes to drone technology. You're competing with China, and they're doing these enormous light shows with a fucking dragon flying through the sky. Have you seen some of those things?

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Dude, I took one with me to the mountains in Utah when I went hunting.

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It's the size of this pack.

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You can make phone calls. You can do FaceTime. All from the mountains, the middle of nowhere.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, the newest thing is they've teamed up with T-Mobile. Saw that, yeah. So you have Starlink on cell phones now.

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So are you texting me on that thing?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Oh, boy, you're a weirdo. So now you've gone completely flip phone. So you don't text anybody anymore? No, I can text. I can text message.

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This is a big...

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#2273 - Adam Curry

4741.068

Whoa. So this is like for job sites.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I bet your battery lasts a year. How long is the battery?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And so this is Android. And you have a touch screen?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, reading your text messages is a trip.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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No, they're so small. This is crazy.

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How do you get back?

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Oh, my God.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

4785.18

Right. But it makes it complicated.

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So if you want to send a text message, you want to get in your messages. What are you using to send a text message? Here, I'll show you. Are you doing like T9? No, no, no. You're typing. You have a little tiny keyboard that comes on this little tiny screen.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Oh, my God, this keyboard's hilarious. Hello. I'm going to try to write hello. Hello.

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Yeah. Talking to people is better.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Do you have navigation on this thing?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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So if somebody tells you, hey, the meeting got moved to 10 p.m.

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Whatever.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Yeah.

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Especially like if you, I can't keep up with emails. It's impossible. It just doesn't make sense.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I can't do it. It doesn't work.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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But you have to check them every day. Otherwise, in three days, you've got 45 messages.

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100. 100.

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How could it possibly fix your email?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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You know, it's an interesting subject because candy and sugar is really what caused all this horrible tooth decay in people. And the goofy fucking solution that someone came up with along the way was putting fluoride in the water. Which is so goddamned insane that you're taking a neurotoxin and you're putting it in the water, but...

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And I think also the versions that we're getting are not the versions they're currently working on. And the people that I know that are in the loop at the highest levels of AI are alarmed. Including Elon. I had a conversation with Elon. We went to... We were in line together to go to church the day of the inauguration. It just happened to be right next to him. And we just walked through together.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I'm like, hey, what's up? And that's all I wanted to talk about was the leaps that Grok AI is making. And he's like, it's like weekly. We're shocked. And I think this thing is exponential. And when they start... attaching large language models to quantum computing, it's going to get very, very weird.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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That's coming, man, and that's going to be like an asteroid hitting the Yucatan.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

5119.884

Yeah, but right now they're able to do things with them. You know, they're able to solve very complicated algorithms.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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But you know that the computations that it's doing are so insanely complex that they believe it's proof of the multiverse? Yeah, I've heard this. Yeah.

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I'm a Luddite. I'm a Luddite. Look at me.

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I believe in this. Yeah. I've got no smoke shaker in my car.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And again, I don't want to take even a political position on this. I just want to look at this from a human lens. There is something that people do where even if something is...

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#2273 - Adam Curry

5346.278

Super special. Sophisticated, huh?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

5348.019

So is that overseas? Are they like spoofing a number that's in Texas?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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How much was the fine?

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And then you're going to bank transfer, so they're going to get your bank numbers.

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How'd you get off of it?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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That's how they get you.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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obviously stupid if it's a part of a system and there's enough air quotes experts that have endorsed this regardless of the fact we've seen time and time again throughout history that experts are compromised experts are you could put in you could have a court case for a murder and bring in experts that will tell you he definitely did it, and experts that tell you he definitely didn't do it.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Yeah, cut out the scamming. Speaking of scamming, what do you think about shit coins? Like, what's your take on, like, Hoctua coin and Melania coin and Trump coin?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

5501.897

I'm totally down with Bitcoin. I'm with you. Good. But – I think the shit coin thing is fascinating, that anybody can create a coin. Yeah. You know, like Jamie has a pull-it-up Jamie coin. I don't know if you know that.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Do not.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Now that you just said it, now that we just said it, because we brought it up yesterday with the Boneyard guy, with John Reeves, and we said, you should have your own coin. Get the Boneyard coin. And now apparently somebody made one.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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It's not good for anything else. What about if you wanted to use it to finance charity? Is it possible to do that?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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So we know this for a fact. But still, people argue on the side of the experts. And I've seen this about fluoride, and it's so mind-boggling. There are conclusive studies that show a direct correlation between high levels of fluoride in the local water and lower IQs. And it's a neurotoxin. We know it's bad for you in large doses.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And yet there are fucking people out there with college degrees who read the New York Times who think they're sensible people that will get angry if you want to remove this neurotoxin from water because look at all the strides it's done in preventing tooth decay. And you just want to say, hey, man, fuck you.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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When FTX, that scandal, what were they trading in? Was that all meme coins? Was that different cryptos? Is there a difference between meme coins and established crypto coins?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Those parents were Democratic operatives, right?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And you're doing that to kind of buy your way through this shenanigans.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Because you're doing shenanigans. Big time. And they're also doing amphetamines and polyamorous relationships in the Bahamas. Yeah.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, they want results, and if they're getting results, they'll put on the blinders.

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But you're taking agency away from her. She changed her voice. She started dressing like Steve Jobs. She started lying about results. She fired people that didn't go along with it.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Yes. Really? Well, you can't rip people off. I think you have restitution and things that you can do. Hundreds of millions of dollars people lost. Like that's not restitution. You don't have that money. You're not going to pay it back because your product sucks. So they've dumped all this money and lost.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, it's kind of amazing that the big video platform is still just YouTube. And now, you know, YouTube just passed Netflix now is the most watched thing on television.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I watch YouTube on TV more than I watch anything because there's so much variety. There's so many different things you can search. The fact that you could essentially find anything – like if I'm interested in some particular region of the world of ancient history, I just punch that into YouTube and I have hundreds if not thousands of videos on it.

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It's shocking that no one has come up with anything even remotely close.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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You'd have to have billions of dollars in startup money. And then you're still struggling to get people to use your app. Like, you remember that one company that came up? Was it... Quibi, what was it?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Was that what it was? They spent so much money.

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And they got a bunch of famous people to do short videos.

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Don't you think they'd have all that, too?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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It's just amazing how many of those kooky people are getting so much traction. And that was the thought that it was a Chinese psyop, that they were accentuating all these people. And that was like ruining the culture of America because it was showing you all these blue-haired psychopaths with beards and lipstick and nail polish.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, I think we need to educate people on how to how to digest social media. And, you know, I think you should treat it the same way you treat junk food. You know, and I think there's certain aspects of social media that are really interesting and I like them I mean most of what I get on social media is what my friends send me So that's sure that's how I do sure and this is how I stay sane.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Mm-hmm It's like my friends send me wacky things and I go. Oh my god. What is this? Like my me my friend Christina Prusicki She sends me like the the nuttiest like trans activists screaming and Nutty guys who think that they're women and then me and Tom Segura we exchange murder videos murder and and car accidents and animal attacks and then you know before breakfast No.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I try not to in the morning, but sometimes I have to check my text message because I have business stuff. I have things going on, guests and this and that. So I do check, but it's very intoxicating to just sit there on the toilet and just start scrolling. Toilet scroller. But you've got to develop discipline, and discipline's important for every aspect of your life.

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You have to know when you've had too much. But that's not easy for young kids.

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It's not, but I think they can learn just like they've learned everything else in this world.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, I think they need a message, and I think this conversation is part of that message. I think kids need to realize you are wasting time. If you spend two hours just scrolling through TikTok, you have wasted time. And there's stuff that you probably should be doing. And you're going to be depressed if you don't do those things. You're going to feel weird. You're not going to feel satisfied.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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You're not going to feel like you're on a good path. You're going to not have a lot of... Respect for yourself. If you just like sit on the couch all day and scroll through TikTok, which many people listening to this have done a whole day, just sitting there eating chips, scrolling through TikTok and just wasting your day. That is possible to do.

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I think there's ways that you can incorporate it into your life where it's interesting, you know, and I've got good algorithms now, especially on YouTube. but pretty good algorithms on Instagram too, where most of the stuff it's showing me is stuff I'm actually interested in.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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There's always those too. I think YouTube is the best because like I'm interested in specific subjects, right? Like I'm a car nut. I love old cars in particular.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, America's making real muscle cars right now. Like, this is one of the rare times where... America has got very exciting automobiles that are out now. We've talked a bunch of times about the Corvette ZR1, which is breaking all these laps.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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It's the mid-engine 1,000 horsepower Corvette.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I'm like, why not? You've got to put your foot down.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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But that's why I like old cars, because it's not even how fast you go. I had a C5, though. I did have a long time ago. Those are cool.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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They were a little shitty, actually. They really got good around C7. C7 was nasty.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Oh, C5 had a heads-up display? Yeah, it had a heads-up display.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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That's the new one.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And the argument is so dumb because, you know, my friend Eddie Bravo had a great point. He said, when you get toothpaste... Do you ever see toothpaste that says fluoride free? Why would they say that and advertise it if fluoride wasn't bad for you? Why would they do that? Like, why would that be a selling point? If we've always looked for fluoride in toothpaste, my whole life.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Look how awesome that looks, man. You don't have to take your dog everywhere. Reward yourself, Adam Curry. You're the podfather. Get a fucking Corvette. Look at that thing. That's beautiful. It's a cockpit inside of that thing. That is beautiful. And the performance of that is unparalleled.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I have a S, the Plaid. I have a Plaid Tesla, the four-door, larger sedan Plaid.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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It's incredible. I don't use it that much. I like to drive. But just the capability of the car is amazing.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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The speed and the effortlessness in which it merges with traffic and just takes off. Yeah. With no sound.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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But it's different. So I like old, air-cooled Porsches.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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They're not fast. They're not fast compared.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7352.191

The truck clutch, like, you got to push that thing in. Well, they're floor-mounted, too. They're different. Old Porsches are different. But what they are is a physical experience. It's like a ride. It's a fun, exhilarating experience where you hear the engine. You're shifting the gears yourself. It's exciting and engaging. And that is more important to me sometimes than just speed.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7378.725

I don't need to go fast. It's not even about going fast.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7383.888

Yeah, you're feeling the rear end break a little with your ass.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7401.995

Oh, yeah. A lot of people have done crazy Beetle transformations where they've hyped up Porsche engines and put them in the back of those things.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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There's a whole modding community of Beetle freaks.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7435.6

So you jump started every time you got in?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, I think we're lucky that we've seen both. We grew up in a time where there was no internet and you were going outside to do things and people did physical activities. But then as we got older, we recognized that there's this new technology that's connecting the whole world in this weird way and we're getting to experience it as people who know the world before that.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I think we're real lucky.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

752.69

Crest, oh, fluoride, got it. You know, when you're going through the CVS and you're grabbing stuff and throwing it in your bag. It's always fluoride. You're always looking for fluoride. That's what kills the fucking germ. I don't want cavities. I don't have to go to the dentist. Give me that fluoride. They're selling toothpaste without fluoride. Why is that?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7520.99

There's a lot of young men that just feel like real disconnected to the world. Nothing seems to be anything that is interesting to them. And they're being pushed into this box where someone's trying to turn them into a fucking chihuahua. You know, like this is like the evolution of the wolf into the dog. That's what's happening with men. Like for some reason men are supposed to be neutered.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7582.515

Let's pause. We'll come back. We'll talk about Jesus. We'll be right back. Yeah. All right, we're back. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Much better, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2273 - Adam Curry

7590.919

So we were going to talk about the vaping thing because you were saying that there's nothing wrong with vaping.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7597.922

So what is that? Can I see it? Yeah, of course. Can I hold it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2273 - Adam Curry

7601.743

So this is a brick. I mean, you could hurt somebody with this. If you wanted to fuck somebody up, if you get a good grip.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2273 - Adam Curry

7612.472

Yeah. No, you wouldn't do that. You're going to break your hand. That's all silly.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7656.554

That's definitely different than the gas station ones.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7684.764

So the cotton's like the filter?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

769.297

And the guy he was saying it to had this look on his face. He was trapped. He was just trapped. So you don't think fluoride is good for you? It's like one of those things. That's just what he just said. No. Just brush your fucking teeth.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7692.75

So do you have to constantly refresh the cotton?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7695.973

And so you just dunk your cotton in the juice?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7703.418

So you just put new cotton in every now and again?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7707.682

How long do you have to wait before you put new cotton in?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2273 - Adam Curry

7713.425

That doesn't give me the weird head rush that the gas station ones do. That's Chinese crap. That's what I like, though. I like that weird head rush.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7721.489

I like the first hit. That's what you like off the gas station vapes. It's like you're chasing a dragon. You get that first hit, and you're like... First hits like, ah, so relaxing. And then after that, you never get that again.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7756.748

And that doesn't fuck with your lungs or your health or anything like that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2273 - Adam Curry

7762.553

And so this is different juice. So what is the juice? Because the thing about the actual oil is the issue, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2273 - Adam Curry

7769.458

And this is a thing like a lot of these cheap ones that you're buying off the gas station.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7881.472

Yeah, I do. But I wanted to see what happens if I took time off and I went out of the country for five days and didn't bring them. And I was fine. Didn't bother me at all. I was wondering if I'd be like itching for one.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7940.262

So what's in the gas station ones? When you're getting that.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7987.526

Somebody gave me one at one point in time. It was like. it was carrying around a phone. It was like I was carrying around, it was the size of your flip phone. Yeah. And I'm like, this is ridiculous.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2273 - Adam Curry

799.364

And you go to school, you get a D in English. Because you're fucking stupid. Pretty much the story of my life, Joe.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

7997.938

That's me. I don't want to have another heavy thing in my pockets or on my fanny pack. It's like,

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#2273 - Adam Curry

8006.363

But you decided that the phone was too invasive even with the graphene OS.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2273 - Adam Curry

8060.143

Do you do social media in the morning?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2273 - Adam Curry

8064.347

Almost not at all. So when you do it, you do it from a computer?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

807.209

Yeah, it's so bad. It's really bad for you. And it's not necessary. And we're being co-opted by something and someone. And I think we looked this up on the podcast, Jamie. Didn't it come out of there was some town in Texas, I believe, that had naturally fluoridated water, which occasionally...

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And when you do that, one of the questions I had about that, does that do voice to text from Andrew?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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But do you ever send messages with Google Voice or with voice-to-text on that phone? I've been using Futo. Oh, you have?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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On that phone?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Yeah. So I use it on my phone all the time. Like when I'm in my car, I press the little button for Apple Siri.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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There's natural levels of different minerals and there's different stuff. And this one area had a fairly high natural level of fluoride. And these people had great oral hygiene. Whether or not that was a convenient study that they pointed to or convenient case they pointed to to make the argument to get rid of all that fluoride.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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You know, there's like you got to look many layers into all this kind of stuff because they've been throwing fluoride in the water for how long and how much money has been spent throwing fluoride in the water and how many people have like built mansions and have fucking, you know, Mercedes Benz. They're tooling around them because they've been throwing fluoride in the water. And that's.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I think you're saying some wise things. I think that people need some sort of a moral and ethical structure to live their life through. Jordan Peterson always has this thing. Another one, yeah. Whether or not if you believe in God, if you live like you believe in God, you will live a better life. And that is true.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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It's a moral scaffolding.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, you have to see what happens when things go sideways to really understand it. That's why people who grow up in poverty really can appreciate success a lot more than someone who's a trust fund kid, right? Of course. You have to know what it's like when things go bad, and our country just experienced four years of being governed by people other than the elected leader.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

8646.436

And it's pretty clear now. And the way Mike Johnson laid it out that Biden didn't know what was in some of the executive orders- I didn't sign that.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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It's interesting because some of that, like how much can you attribute it to faulty memory and how much of it is actually they passed things by his desk? I don't know. But at the end of the day, we got to see that this was not a good direction. This is a terrible direction.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

8671.529

And I think that was one of the biggest mistakes that Kamala Harris did, was when she went on The View and they asked her, what would you do differently? And she said nothing. Which is crazy.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

869.975

That's a deep system to try to untangle after 50, 60 years of doing this.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Crazy, chaotic energy. If they just found something they loved and pushed it into that, they'd be better off. But also, it's like, what damaged them up until that point? What kind of a life did they live that left them in this place where they're 35 years old, weeping in front of a city council meeting? Like who are they and what went wrong?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And this is the thing is like we kind of encourage this victim mentality.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And we reward it. It has social credit to it. And you get to be in a special class of people and you get to say outrageous things.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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and and people allow you to and that's not good for anybody just like you have kids you know what it's like yeah it's not good for kids like you got to tell them like well that's not real you can't do that that's not yours like there's things that you have to learn and if you reward victim mentality then people look to become victims

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#2273 - Adam Curry

8774.992

And so when that lady laid out all of her fucking physical ailments and all of her problems, as if that makes any of the things she's saying make sense, because she has all these problems. Like, no, that's not how the world works.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

8799.527

This is a part of the PSYOP of USAID.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And the PSYOP of just the government in general, these control structures that are essentially put in place to make sure that they remain in power.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

8837.421

Well, Mike Benz was explaining yesterday. I was like, this seems so intertwined. Like, how are you going to – what can be done in four years? He goes, no, this is going to take 50 years more. That may be true. It's going to take forever to unwind. He goes, you have to understand how deep these tentacles go. And he laid it out in four and a half hours yesterday.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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I probably talked for three minutes for the whole podcast.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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The thing that will happen is viral clips of specific things that he highlights and says that are very significant are going to go out. Those are already out. And I'm sure they're all over X right now as we're speaking. Yeah.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

8899.386

Well, the Pentagon's failed seven of them. And the thing is, like, fraud's real. We know it's real and we know people are pilfering. And if you go unchecked for long enough, that becomes a part of the way people do business. And once that's established and it's been established for decades, then it's very difficult to stop because as soon as you start investigating it, people go to jail.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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And so they're going to try to stop you from investigating it. They're going to try to, like, bury records and –

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Mm-hmm. He highlighted all of this.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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He showed the Biden thing where he said the prosecutor had to be fired or they wouldn't get the billion dollars in loans.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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But the problem is there's a lot of people that are going to be in deep trouble, and they're going to try to stop that from all this accountability.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9009.999

Well, he's in the storm. It's like no one knows exactly what's going to happen when you're in the middle of the hurricane. You're telling people what's going on, and that's where he is right now. I mean, I asked him, how do you sleep? He goes, I don't.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9025.972

And I think his fight is very noble. And he's right. He's right and he's accurate. And the amount of information that guy's got in his head is astounding. And he's pulling it all off the top of his head while we're talking because he lives this constantly. Used to work at the State Department. Uncovered all this stuff. He's been chasing it down forever. And it is a...

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#2273 - Adam Curry

903.829

You've got to hide now. Go back into the basement of Comet Pizza.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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you know, legitimate historian on this.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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That was Ozzy. I just realized that was Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne. I'm like, who are those people?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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The CIA. Did the CIA write a power ballot to bring down the USSR? What?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

944.131

Well, that will be an interesting thing if RFK Jr. gets in place. If RFK Jr. gets in place and they stop this advertising on, we are one of two countries on earth that allows, yeah, New Zealand and New Zealand's far more restrictive than us. We should be really restrictive about this because advertising works. You know, and there's advertising that doesn't bother me at all.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9446.263

Is that real? I think so. I think so. I don't remember that song. Can we play some of that song and cut it out, Jamie? Yeah. Play it for us and cut it out. We'll cut this part out of the show, folks. Just go listen to Scorpions.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9467.138

Yeah. Wow. It's a good fucking song. Yeah. A CIA writes hits, baby. That's crazy. The CIA wrote a banger.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9572.985

Was Baywatch a psyop? Is that what you got now? I don't know.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9577.589

Well, this is also part of the thing that Mike Benz got into with the music business, that they do sort of finance these disruptive kind of songs and political movements.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9591.881

Of course. I mean, yeah. It's a powerful tool. That's the book about Laurel. There he is.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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That jacket's got a battery.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9642.106

That's so crazy that that song was written by the CIA. That Laurel Canyon thing is really interesting because I really dismissed it at first. I was like, come on. The government didn't have nothing to do with the rock and roll movement, but it kind of seems like they did.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9659.594

Strange Times in the Canyon. What is that book called again? Is that it? Yeah. Something along those lines? Yeah. It's a weird book, man. Yeah. I read the book and I was like, what the fuck?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Like Chevrolet Corvette. You know, it's okay. It's fine. But when he can give you bloody diarrhea and suicidal ideology.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Well, they also did it with the modern art movement. Absolutely. Like Jackson Pollock is a complete creation, which totally makes sense because I was like, who's paying for this? Help me out.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9702.412

No, don't you see the way the splatters are?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9724.248

The real kooky people probably think you're my handler or something because you created-

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#2273 - Adam Curry

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Because there is that thought that, like, this is one of the things that comes up now all the time. And we talked about this on CNN. We're saying that there's a whole financed and backed right-wing ecosystem that's created these podcasts. Where's my check? Well, this is just stupidity. This is the problem where when you look at some conspiracies, you think, oh, well, that applies to all things.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9751.045

No, there's actually some things that are organic for some weird reason.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

976.013

Yeah. And you're just fucked up in the head and you're depressed and like, you don't know why, but now your zits are gone. Like, Hey, slow down. That was not in that commercial with the lady dancing in the field with her child and the people at the picnic and they're all smiling and laughing and having a good time together. That looked like fun. Where's that part?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9766.88

They didn't want me. That was the thing. They didn't want you? But that's all the PSYOP working against them. Because in the past, they could take someone like me and demonize them and it would be effective. And they could just remove you from the airwaves. Right. And then remove you as a problem because you're not playing by the rules. But now people go, oh, you know what?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9786.191

I think he's the one who's actually telling the truth. Let's stop listening to them. And so then CNN crashes and then faith in mainstream media crashes and faith in podcasts rises. Right.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9804.616

Oh, they're already definitely doing that.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9806.896

I don't care. Let them try. All right. But the thing is, it's not going to work unless that person's authentic. Without authenticity, it doesn't work. Person long enough, you know what the fuck they're really saying, you know, whether or not that's right, you know I'm wrong all the time. I'm you might not agree with me.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9823.922

That's all great, but I'm not gonna lie and that's the difference and this a lot of these people are just propagandists and they're also trying to make an argument for something without looking at the other side which Instantaneously, I know now you're propagandizing. No, you're not you're now you're bullshitting me.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9842.447

I always try to look at the other side of everything. I know you do. As a human, I think it's an important quality. As a person who's broadcasting to millions of people, it's a very important quality. But it's an important quality for human beings. Know why you think about something. Is this just a knee-jerk reaction? Or is this well thought out? Are you being objective?

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9863.422

Or are you captured by this ideology that you're a part of to the point where you're just ignoring reality? Like, this is the thing that I find fascinating about all this USAID stuff. Because there's so many people that are so against Donald Trump dismantling the organization that they're not looking at the craziness of all the propaganda that's being exposed.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9884.174

They somehow or another are gaslighting themselves and all their followers to say that, no, this is aid. People are going to starve to death. There's food that's rotting. Meanwhile, I think, I'm pretty sure, even when they passed... this thing where they were trying to put a stop on USAID, they gave exemptions for food and medicine. Yeah, and certain, yeah.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9904.164

So you're hearing these bullshit stories of like food that's rotting now and people are going to go starving and everyone's dying of AIDS.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9921.795

I think it works, but it works for less people. There's people that want to be lied to. They want to believe the cult. They want to drink the Kool-Aid. They want to. And that is where they've dug their heels in, and now this is where they stay.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9981.706

Also, what they're doing is they're highlighting there's people that are supposedly 150 years old that are getting Social Security.

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#2273 - Adam Curry

9989.235

There's some weird shit going on with Social Security.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Bro, the guy is clean.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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I could be. You say that to me sometimes.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Yeah, get you going.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Okay, look at it.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Oh, I want to see that shit.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Look at this. Oh!

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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So that's the original Mike Perry.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Keith Jardine was a name.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Nah, but Bilal's the man.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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And he stopped Sean standing up.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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I get it. It's sealed.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Yeah, because he took it on short notice. He had short notice.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

6154.255

Mm-hmm.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Stop that. You hit it with a fucking newspaper?

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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He was in that one.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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I don't know. I never knew a mother nor a father.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Who are you?

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Look at that. Beautiful.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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He missed weight.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sat down and throwing ice on her and water. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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Look at him.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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It doesn't matter.

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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

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I'm going to make your body quit.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10023.324

Isn't it crazy, though, that the assassin is a good-looking guy and becomes a hero? Like, if he was an ugly fat guy with a MAGA hat on, everybody would want him dead. Look at him. Look at him. Wow, look at those brows. Beautiful. Well, he's wearing a bulletproof vest, too. Isn't that wild? Yeah. But he's got, like, a mental health problem. Yeah. Apparently.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10041.427

And someone said that he took acid and cracked.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10044.968

I heard that. But who knows how much of that... Well, we'll find out when the trial happens what the lore is, but, you know...

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10080.319

Well, especially when you talk about health care because there's people whose job is to deny people health care that deserve it because that's how they save money, which is – that's crazy to think of. But that's – I mean what is the alternative, socialized medicine? The problem with that is it doesn't incentivize doctors to be the best. I want my doctor to drive a fucking Porsche.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1009.311

It's probably both. It's probably both. They probably had weak character to begin with, but they could get away with it if they were not in situations that caused a lot of anxiety or stress. But then as soon as they do get in a situation, like if you're the boss of some workplace somewhere, I've just seen people just completely lose their shit when people rely on them and depend on them.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10102.006

I want my doctor to have a 911 turbo and a nice watch.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10135.757

How do we eliminate nefarious actors from the world? Or do we ever?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You can't.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10146.121

And I think they're there also to help you appreciate non-nefarious people. Yeah, like we wouldn't know good unless there is bad. Yeah, that's real. That's a good perspective to have on bad. That's the good and evil struggle forever. That's the yin and the yang. That's it all. It's like that's how the world moves forward. That's how it advances. It protects itself against evil.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10167.36

And then evil tries to find ways through the fucking cracks. And they develop better antivirus software.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10177.697

A little bit, man. It might be. It's going to be, so maybe it already is. And maybe it always was. Maybe it always was.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10198.271

And we're probably about to create a way better one with AI. That's probably what AI is. AI is probably the god of the simulation. We probably lock that motherfucker in, turn it on, then it figures out how to do everything.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10213.925

Elon says there's a 20% chance everything goes sideways, but an 80% chance it's an overall net good for humanity. But 20% chance we're fucked. That's a high number. That's not a good number. That's a high number. I don't like that if I'm playing Russian roulette and I got Ted Chambers and I spin that bitch. I don't like there's two bullets in there. Yeah. I don't like that. That makes me nervous.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10233.676

But I also think you've got a lot of really good, smart people trying to make sure that at the very least the people here invent it before the people in China, which I think is probably important. Like whoever... Whoever launches the god first is going to be in charge of a lot of stuff. Yeah. It's going to get fucking very strange, Andrew Schultz.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10257.354

It's already very strange, but it's going to get even stranger.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10262.394

Yes, sir. We'll be making fun of it. My brother, it's always a good time to sit with you. I love you, dog. Thank you. I love you to death. You're the best. You are. Tell everybody what's going on.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Right now.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10289.659

What day does Darius come out? April 19th?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

10293.922

Yeah. Yeah. So make sure you check that out. I gotta get him in here.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Love you, dog. Bye, everybody.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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They just become tyrants. Do you think that they resent the dependents?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Oprah's out here.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1062.316

No.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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even before the club was open? Yeah, well, they were all unemployed out of LA. So I said, listen, we're going to open up a club. We're going to find a spot. But you could start immediately. So you just get paid, enjoy Austin, kick back, relax. We'll call you in about a year and a half. It was around two years. But you felt the responsibility. Yes, but it didn't burden me. Got it. It wasn't like...

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1097.538

oh, this is a heavy responsibility. It's like, this is smart. We could do this. This is the right thing to do. This way, we already have the best people that got fired from the comedy store because the comedy store couldn't open because LA's retarded. And so we got them all to come out here and it's like, look, the right thing to do is to pay them now and we'll figure that out.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

111.724

I mean, this is on my friend Mark Bell's page, Mark Smelly Bell. And he said, what fucking year are we living in? Like, what is happening here? What's going on?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1117.048

We just had to figure out where the spot was and then... Obviously, once we got the spots like this is going to be a long, we're going to have to put some construction on this bitch and do a lot of shit. It's going to take some months.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1135.064

No, it doesn't bother me. No, if it burdened me, like if it was something where I was worried I was gonna run out of money, like if I was stretched real thin, I'd be like fuck, there's so many people working for me, this is a problem, I gotta figure something out. But I'm not, so it's okay. It's like decide what you think about in this life. What do you mean by that?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1155.453

Decide what you think about in this life. Are you going to do something that's going to change the way you feel about having a bunch of employees? Or are you not? Or are you just going to freak out about it? Decide what you think about things.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Your will is really dependent upon your hormone levels, your genetics, how much sleep you've had, what positive or negative experiences have shaped you in your life. There's a lot going on that forces you into this position where you have to decide whether or not will is real. But will's real. I believe it's real. It's 100% real.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I know it's not determinism that makes David Goggins run harder than anybody else. It's will. It's 100% will. His knees are destroyed. It's only will that just gets you up off the couch if your knees are destroyed and you run a tidy 30 miles that day. Yeah, yeah. That's not determinism. That's bullshit. If it was determinism, there'd be tons of those guys out there.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1278.082

There's only a small Cameron Haynes, small little fucking handful of these psychotic people who have incredible will. World champion fighters, Gordon Ryan in jiu-jitsu. Gordon Ryan works out every fucking day of the week. 365 days a year. It's a huge sacrifice. If you want to be really great at something, you kind of have to be out of your fucking mind. But you also have to have an iron will.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

130.783

Oh, yeah, for sure. And also, sometimes your life has been such a colossal series of failures that you want, like, some symbolic reset. Yeah. And probably there's a lot of value in, like, a real, like, set and setting, like, a ritual.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1306.618

Yeah. You don't want to work out every day. There's going to be days you just want to eat cake and sleep.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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But if you want to get past the guy who eats cake and sleeps, you don't eat cake and you don't sleep. Yeah. That's well dude, that's will there's a I don't your determinism could suck my dick because it's never there's no just like Accidental amazing people. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1331.132

Yeah, like you know, it's like a lot of similar stories Just single mom, you know started doing this and started doing the invented something when he's 18 Do they all come from trauma you think I think a lot of people that are hyper ambitious come from a shitty environment And what is that connection?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1346.929

I think it's probably wanting something better than you're experiencing and knowing that it's possible, that it's out there. And knowing the pain of living in the ghetto or the pain of being on food stamps, the pain of poverty. And the fact that, like, when you're poor and you're young, you wonder whether or not you're going to have food. You know, that's a scary thought for a child.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah, it puts a kind of fire in you, like... You don't get a Mike Tyson if he grows up in Brentwood. You get them when they grow up in Bedford-Stuyvesant. You don't get them when they have an awesome dad and an awesome mom who's there for their baseball games and tells them what a great job they did and consoles them when they get hurt. No, no, no.

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You have a life of pain, and then you got some pain to dish out after that.

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Well, you're an artist. It's a different thing, right? The reason why it's a different thing is you're an artist in a very specific genre, which is talking shit. You're a shit-talking artist, right?

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It's beautiful. You're a professional shit-talker. It's my favorite art form. Yeah. And shit-talking artists, they want to be around a bunch of people and have a good time.

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Right? So you don't need to come from trauma to be ambitious and be a shit-talking artist.

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All you have to do is be someone who admires success and who wants to progress and keep getting better at this thing that they love that has given them so much.

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Like, I'm emerged. I'm a new person. Yeah. At least maybe that bullshit will give you some momentum. For real. To kind of get on the right track. I was talking to Neil about this.

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Yeah.

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Well, also, you have a lot of gratitude. And I think if you have gratitude, you realize how fortunate you are to have the ability to work hard. Yeah. Because that's a real thing. Oh, dude. Especially working hard at something that you're actually successful at. Like, once you're actually successful, keep that foot on the gas, motherfucker. It is.

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Yeah, I did. I got, like, 25 minutes right now.

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You got to do another hour.

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And then you get connected to that material because you've been doing it for a while. Yeah. And then it doesn't really resonate with you.

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I think I really respect that. Yeah. I think it's wise. Yeah. I think taking time and thinking about it is really wise. And thinking about, like, what are the things that are on your mind? Like, what is... How do you really feel about this world that we're living, this world that seems more and more like it's not real? More and more like it's a fucking simulation. Yeah. I'm kind of convinced now.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1592.797

What, it is a simulation? Yeah, there's something going on. There's something more to reality than what meets the eye. There's more to it than what you could put on a scale or what you could put a ruler to. There's more to this thing. This thing's made out of some very bizarre energy that's attached to consciousness. That's what I think. What do you mean by this? I think that it's really possible.

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He's done a lot of different things.

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First of all, it's inevitable that one day they will achieve a simulation that is indiscernible from reality. Okay. No doubt about it. They've gotten real close, you know, where you could put on haptic feedback suits and you can see things and you feel like you're in a room. You know, it's crude, but it's like, you know, Nintendo from 20 years ago versus, you know, some modern warfare game now.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Right. They're going to get to a point where it's indiscernible.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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So if it does happen, how do you know? How do you know when that takes place? Now here's the question. Is that the ultimate progression of technology? Is the ultimate progression of technology transcending physical reality and becoming completely digital life? So if that is possible, how do we know if it hasn't already happened? How can we know if it hasn't already happened?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1678.802

Well, one thing I would say that if this world was scripted, it would be filled with a lot of shit that's exactly like what happened. Trump would get shot in the ear and say, fight, fight, fight. You would have Elon Musk at the inauguration looking like he's on another planet.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I'm making the argument that there's a conscious interface. There's consciousness and it's interfacing with something that's not entirely real. And that is the life that we're living in. And we think it's way realer than it actually is.

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I feel like it might be controlled by the actual things that are inside of it. So I think our destiny is truly in our hands. I really believe that. I like that. And then if that is the case, how is that not real? Well, it is real in a sense, but I think that the actual way that things happen and work is dependent entirely on the level of consciousness that people have that are experiencing it.

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For real. If I had that dude over my house and cooked him some elk steak, I'd change his fucking life. If you make an agreement, just eat this with me.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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This sounds like very hippy-dippy and wooey, and it all comes from a lot of different things, but one of it comes from Tom Campbell, who wrote this very fucking bizarre book that I've listened to on audiobook twice now. Okay. Where he's talking about essentially what we think of as reality is just a simulation. Okay.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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The whole entire thing is our consciousness interpreting everything as we experience it throughout the day. But when we are not here, that is not the same thing. What do you mean, when we're not here, when we die, you're saying? If you're not on Mars, is Mars real? Or is Mars something that we agree is real? We agree it's in a certain space and it'll only be there when we get there?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Like if the universe is a true simulation, imagine what a mindfuck. You have a simulation where it's perfect in that it has all of these galaxies and supernovas. The moon aligns perfectly with the earth to cause eclipses. And without the moon being there, our entire atmosphere would fall apart. We would never be able to survive.

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But meanwhile, it's just a show that's being put on for our consciousness.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Wherever you go, there is a place. Because that is kind of funny.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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They're on the way. I'm well aware if you're criticizing me, this is a dopey way to describe it. But I, you know... If the tree falls in the forest and there's no one there, does it make a sound? Yes. I don't even know if the tree falls if there's no one there. I'm not convinced.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I think if you take a trip to the Pacific Northwest, you will find trees.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

1935.03

It might be the whole universe. They're saving on data. That might be the whole universe. The whole universe might be us interacting with something. But they exist. But it doesn't exist without us. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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But exists with us in this moment. Like, if you jump off a cliff, you will die. Yeah. Like, gravity's real. Yeah. You'll get pulverized. Yeah. No doubt. But... It's because you jumped. It's also like your consciousness is the reason why all this is here. Yeah. Because you're interacting with it.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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They might not know it's wood. But didn't they have structures?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Right, you'd be freaked out.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Right, so for joke writing, it's amazing.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2054.59

Yeah. And it might be like the map of the game is like those NASA satellite photos of Earth. That's the map of the game. If you wanted to go through a game, a video game, and before you go through the game, it shows you these are the arenas in which you're playing.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2070.961

Yeah, you can choose one or you know which level you're going to. That's those NASA 3D photos of the Earth. That's what the Earth is. Earth is the place where we play this consciousness game.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You know my wife. She'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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If she wants to talk about something like that, she'll bring it up. Like if she wants to talk about something heavy, it's not like I wouldn't talk about something heavy with her. Yeah. But generally, like I come home from work. She's been with the kids. She's doing this and that.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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We eat dinner. We have fun. How was school? Have a good time. Maybe we watch a little Severance together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if she's like, did you ever think that maybe this all isn't real? I'd be like, I'm so glad you brought this up. Let's go.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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It can be important. But it is. But it is to you, and it is to the people around you.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Sure. But why think about that? Why think about whether or not you're important? I just don't waste any time thinking about whether or not I'm important.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Don't think about the end of the game. Play the game. Don't go, oh my God, it's going to end. Yes. My quarter's going to run out. Just play the game.

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Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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of importance not you being important to other people but the time you spend here being valuable yeah well that's part of gratitude too that's one of your best traits um and having gratitude is you would recognize that you this time is precious you know yeah use it to the best of your ability and then really like you enjoy it like soak it up did you see everything everywhere all at once yeah i did

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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And hyper-analytical insecurity.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Well, I think if you are a person who enjoys challenges and finds a reward in working hard and overcoming that resistance inside of you, as Pressfield talks about, that thing that wants you to be lazy, if you have value in that, you find value in that, and it helps you live a more enriched, more fulfilling life, you tend to just keep doing that. Mm-hmm.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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because this is like if i i know for a fact me as much as i work out and take care of myself if i take like three days off you'll start to get used to it i start getting depressed i start getting anxious i start feeling weird like i don't feel level like a couple of days off you're just like i just feel gross i was just like why is the world so weird and then i'll have one good hard workout and then i'm like oh everything's fine and i'm like how many people need that and so what is that

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You know, like intelligent, hyper-analytical.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2447.381

It's just a human body has certain requirements because it's designed to run from tigers. The human body is designed to constantly be... So you have to feed it. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2474.663

You can have both, right? You can have people that have brilliant minds and shit bodies. They exist. There's people that don't take care of their body at all. Yeah, Stephen Hawking. But he had a disease. But it wasn't like an Adonis before. Right, that's true too.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2494.386

Yeah, but the best way for your brain to work well is if your body is healthy and has energy. It doesn't mean you have to be a weightlifter, it doesn't mean you have to be, you don't have to do any specific thing. If you like running, run. If you like tennis, play tennis. If you like yoga, do yoga. But you should 100% do something. Find a thing you enjoy doing.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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That's why golf or rather tennis is such a great thing because it's cardio and it's fun. You're doing a fun thing. You're playing with your friends. You're talking shit.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2525.646

Yeah, community. Huge. Yeah, but you're active. If you don't do that, I don't think your body is in sync. And I think there's a whole lot of people running out there taking care of things with pills. That you could fix way better and feel and look better. More importantly, it would help in every aspect of your life. It would help you think clearer. You'd have less stress. You'd be more reasonable.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Like go fucking do something with your goddamn body. And if you don't do that, I really believe if you don't do that, you have less potential. You could have a genius mind that allows you to overcome that potential, which is – just pure intelligence, just a pure insight on the world that's extraordinary. You could overcome bullshit hormone levels and bullshit body fat levels.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2577.925

You could, but you shouldn't. You're so fucking smart and you got a terrible body? What's wrong with you? You have one of these goddamn things. You can make that thing awesome. You don't even do anything. You have one of these. You get one fucking body and yours is a dumpster. Yeah. Yours is a dumpster for potato chips. That's crazy.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2608.225

Elon's a different animal. There's no other human I've ever met like him. No, I don't think he exercises much. I think maybe a little bit. I know he was thinking about fighting Zuckerberg, so he did some training. He trained with Lex and who else? Was it Georges St-Pierre? They put up a photo of it. It was George, right?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2627.584

So he trains with one of the greatest UFC fighters of all time, Lex Friedman, our boy, who is also a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. And I think he just did a little bit of that. It was like, fuck this. Shout out Lex, man. There it is. And John Donner, the great John Donner, the greatest jiu-jitsu coach of all time. So he was learning some stuff.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I'll never forget that.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2651.773

Thank you, Lex. We really appreciate that. Well, in all fairness, it was my fault that he blacked out.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I kind of got him a drink and didn't realize the Russian in him had a mind of its own. That Russian mixed with that fucking American bourbon. The motherfucker was off to the races.

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Oh, dude, we had an adventure.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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We go to Vegas that night because Whitney had a wedding. She had a wedding. She did a wedding at someone's house. It was a corporate gig. Oh, it was a gig, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was a wedding at someone's house.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I think it was a wedding or a birthday, whatever it was.

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Party, private party at someone's house. Must have been a birthday. So we fly from your wedding. Hey, congratulations. We hang out and then hop on a jet. It's only 30 minutes to Vegas. We get to Vegas. By the time we land, Lex is lit. I mean, Lex is lit. He was lit at the party. Lit, lit, lit. So Whitney performs at this lady's house. Didn't you go on? I introduce her.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2720.094

Oh, I thought you did like five minutes. No, I was drunk too. I went up and said happy birthday, whatever, to the lady. I forget what it was. I'm pretty sure it was a birthday. And then I bring up my good friend, one of the most hilarious comics in the world. And then we get on the plane or we get in the car to go to the plane to head back and there's no plane. They never booked a return flight.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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So we try... So we try to get a return flight because they had our little shitty private jet to get there. So then we try to get a return flight. We cannot. I call my service. The quickest they could do is in the morning. Like, what do you guys want to do? So we decide that we're going to get a limo and so have a car service drive us back to L.A. Love it.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You can always tell the guys who beat themselves up because they beat other people up too.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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So it was a four-hour drive or whatever the fuck it is. It was me, my wife, Whitney, and Lex.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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That's at the airport. That's at the airport. But he's like that for the last 12 hours. He was like that at the wedding. He was obliterated. I mean, he went hard. That boy goes hard. He goes hard. It makes you want to not drink. There's certain people I'm around, I'm like, I think I'm done. I think I'm done.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2798.018

That might be your influence. It's a good idea to not drink so much.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

281.487

what is it hurt people hurt people yeah the guys the guys who beat themselves up they're always like super critical about it but look at him yeah fucking bullshit did you ever go through a stage like that not really never no no i figured it out when i was 21 real lucky i talked about this the other day there was one time it was an open mic night and uh the guy went on after me i was hoping that he would bomb and i remember thinking that like what a bitch ass way to think that is yeah oh

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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The problem is it's poison.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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But everything's poison. It's wonderful, lovely poison. Yeah. My favorite poison is wine. I love a great glass of wine.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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There's something. There's at least some out there for sure. Do you want some? I mean, if you're going to have a glass, I'll have a glass. I'll have a little sip with you. Just a little sip. I've kind of cut way back on my alcohol consumption. Oh, really? Yeah, way, way back. I would go, every time I'd go out to dinner, I'd have a drink or two.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Every time I'd go to the club, I'd have a drink or two. And then one day I sat down, I was like, that's like four days a week, five days a week. That's like a drink or two, five days a week. Like, how would you feel if you didn't have a drink or two five days a week? So I didn't have any drinks for like two weeks, and I feel a lot better. Really? Yeah. So am I breaking your streak right now?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah, you would be breaking my streak. I don't want to fucking streak up. Well, we don't have to drink it then. Actually, let's break it. It'll be really fun. I don't mind. I think the key is, like all things, it's all about moderation. But the reality of alcohol is it's basically poison.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Right.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2933.153

That's a great way to explain it, though, on the drink. For real. We have fancy glasses.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Grab that one. It's where your hand is. Yeah. That's who we're going to decide.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

2969.352

The problem is if you use it too much, right? Yeah. And it's also the problem is like I notice if I drink three or four nights in a week, I don't feel as good. Yeah. And when I don't drink at all for two weeks and I feel like really good all the time, like what am I retarded? Why am I drinking? Why would I drink? Yeah. Yeah. Like, I don't need to drink to have a good time. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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But, you know, when you're at the bar or at the club, rather, and everyone's being social and Tony's like, who wants a drink? Anybody want a drink? And they're like, hey, cheers. Yeah. It's just about discipline. It's just about, like, if you feel like you're going off the rails, hit the brakes. Yeah. Settle down. Yeah. What are you doing? Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day oprah's doing an episode on psychedelics how about that god bless that means she's definitely done it yeah you don't do a fucking are we rolling yet Are we rolling? Yeah? Yeah. Yeah, you don't do an episode on psychedelics unless you fucking visited the Maya. Unless you dabbled. Unless you got in there.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3003.631

But a lot of folks don't have any of that, unfortunately. And, you know, they... they'll be sober for a long time and then one glass of chardonnay later they're doing cocaine and headed to vegas who does coke and passes out Oh, there's something so funny about people passed out. It's the funniest shit ever. Yeah, they've become children. They're babies.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Hello.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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It's just a weird aspect to people that we have to shut off. Yeah. That's so weird. I was just watching this video about this guy who he did a radio broadcast in Times Square where he stayed up for eight days. And this guy started having crazy hallucinations. He was having his REM sleep. His REM cycles in his brain were going off while he was awake. So he's living inside nightmares.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

307.535

That's such a bitch ass way to think. And I completely shifted my perspective because like you don't think like that with martial arts. Like you can't think like that. You know, you can't think like that.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3076.986

I'll send it to Jamie. It was crazy. I think Duncan sent it to me. It's really wild.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3086.471

Oh, for sure, dude. I mean, without a doubt.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3091.274

Yeah, sleep deprivation is really bad for you.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3095.356

I try to get at least seven. Oh, wow. But if I have good nights, I get more.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3107.103

School days, especially, I get up in the morning, I say goodbye, and then I'll maybe go back to sleep for an hour. So I'll get up with them, see them off, and then I'll go back to sleep for one more hour. Because I can sleep on the ground, dude. I can go to sleep on rocks. I know how to pass out. So I could go right back to sleep and I'm good. But I like seven. But I can function on six.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3132.273

I had six last night. I had to get up in the morning for a dentist appointment. But generally speaking, I'm looking for eight. I like eight. Eight's where it's at.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3144.999

I don't think I've had eight hours since I had a kid. Oh, yeah. I didn't either for a while. It takes a long time. And it's also like... your day is way more occupied. It's a completely different, you really realize how much your actual time working on something is precious when you have children because they just go to bed, you're like, okay, I got an hour to get some shit done.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You can't think like that ever. That's like a weak ass thought. Yes. And then I realized like, oh, this is like your brain trying to occupy itself completely.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You got one hour. You don't have an hour to flip through your phone, check out TikTok, uh-uh. You got an hour to get something done. And then you got to go to bed. And then you got to get up in the morning. You got to get up early. You got to help with this, help with that. We're doing this. We're doing that. We're packing our stuff in here. And okay, let's go there.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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And there's a thing after school. Remember, it's at 4.30. Don't be late. Okay, 4.30. And then you got to zoom over from here. It's like your day is so occupied, but it makes you more disciplined.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

32.007

You think it's ayahuasca or mushrooms? Most of those fancy people like to do the ayahuasca. Yeah. You know, because then you can claim spirituality above all other people. Oh, you think there's like a pretentiousness? Oh, 100%. There's a... I've done it. I've done it. I've experienced the mother god. Yeah. The god. Yeah. I've experienced Gaia. Yeah, yeah. It's like, I think...

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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It's also the kind of love you have with them. It's just indescribable.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Forty.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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with you know this time that's gonna be between you and your goal of doing something in comedy and it's so far away you suck you're 21 years old and you suck so everybody else gotta suck so you want people to fail and you want to do better yeah it's like it's just a total scrambly i don't know what i'm doing with my life thought yeah and i realized i was like oh that's a bitch ass thought

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3272.987

Yeah, and then you don't mind when babies are crying on airplanes anymore.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3284.34

Isn't that crazy how when you're a young man, you're like, oh my God, a baby's crying. You look for something to cover your ears with.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3293.041

I feel like places that... Like country places where they're so used to... Where there's family dynamics and that's rewarded.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Well, especially you're a kid in the city and then you go from that to being a stand-up comedian. So you're a nighttime, nightclub guy. Like the whole baby crying, like, oh, Jesus. It's like, whoo. Some bad decision making going on over there. Yeah. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3338.929

We're the manosphere, dude. This is where fucking men hang out. I don't think they consider us the manosphere, honestly. I think the manosphere is like those pickup artist type dudes.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3356.301

Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

3359.903

Right.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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There's like a leader of the bitches. Oh, that's fire. You know, so they're a leader of a movement. But what kind of movement are you leading, bro? Yeah. What kind of movement are you leading? Yeah. You know?

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Yeah. You go to an island full of bitches and you could become the king.

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Just find out who that head bitch is and say, yeah, thumbs up. Those bitches are probably easier to lead. Oh, yeah, for sure. That bitch has been leading them.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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It's like, I saw once CNN after the election, they were talking about us in specific, and they were talking about how there is this network of podcasts that are interconnected that has been financed. Like this huge corporate finance network. It's called Black Rifle Coffee.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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No, it's actually just a bunch of friends, you fucking idiots. We just happen to do each other's podcast. But they're like trying to sort it out. Bro, it's so funny when they try to solve the problem. They support each other, they go on each other's shows, and they're all in this together. Well, we need that on the left. Like, good luck.

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You guys cancel each other if your fucking Ukraine flag is too small. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah, you fucking talk shit about each other for not having trans kids. You guys are out of your mind. You're not going to sync up together. You're in a suicide cult.

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Oh yeah. There's a lot of bitches out there.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You know, it was... I'm going to be your leader. Yeah, it was. You need to listen. I think what Trump's done that's really brilliant is bring in people like Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Cash Patel. Bring in those people and you kind of really do get a chance to change things, like legitimately change things.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Like it takes more effort to not be a bitch actually. Especially if you have a job. So if you have a regular job job, like an office job, you will pretend to be a whole different person for eight hours a fucking day every day of your life that you're there.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Oh, yeah. That would be wonderful. Yeah, that's not what we had. We had one group of people that legitimately wanted to change things, and then we're going to see what happens if they do. But you're seeing weird stuff today that you never see before, which is like a real adjustment to the age of the Internet.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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One of the things you're seeing is, I don't know if you saw the 22 different Congress people who were all saying the exact same line with the word shit in it. What was the line? So it's like, it's this speech. They're reading it verbatim. They're all reading it and doing it to a microphone as if it's a rant. But they're all doing from the same script and the shit ain't right.

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The shit ain't right is the beginning of it. When in the history of the United States...

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As a politician said shit. And not just one, but 22 of them in tape recording. Can you pull it up just so we can see it? Because it's so nuts. This is think tank politics. When you see them all together, it's just like they have it on screens as tiles and they're all saying the same words. They all have their own little flair they put on it. Look at this. Put your headphones on.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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that is a lot of time bullshitting. And when you get out of all that bullshitting, there's not much you left. Whatever could have been you never grew because whatever could have been you was stifled by fluorescent lights and a fucking monitor. You're watching Severance, right? Oh yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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This is fucking bananas. It's okay. You can't really tell. It's like a crowd. But when they had three of them, when it was the first three, it was Chuck Schumer and someone else? Yeah. They're saying the exact, oh, Elizabeth Warren and someone else.

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In the exact same subjects, in the exact same order. You guys are all reading off a script and you're trying by putting the word shit in there to be authentic. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. So I want like- Like a MAGA Democrat.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You know what they really should do? What's that? They really should have a strategic plan. If we're spending, what is it, $350 billion went to Ukraine? What was the number? What are they saying it was? I don't know what the number is. Some insane, let's just be conservative and say $200 billion. Imagine if we spent $200 billion in the United States in all of the crime-ridden cities of the country.

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Just completely overhauling them. All right.

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They did a good job. Awesome. They did a good job.

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There's a lot going on with that show.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I reject the idea, though, that progress can't be had just because people have been corrupt and they've abused money before. I feel like you could farm it off to private corporations the same way we did with Halliburton during the Iraq War. What did they do with – Halliburton got no bid contracts to rebuild Iraq. Yeah. And they did it. They actually – built all the power plants they didn't need.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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There was a lot of waste and weird shit that went on over there. You could do that with the inner cities. You could have contracts. You're saying Halliburton did a good job? No. I'm just saying they actually did get paid to rebuild cities so you can get a private sector that would actually make money. It would become an industry. Instead of it being bureaucracy. You see what I'm saying?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Instead of it being something where it's like California, they're taking the homelessness where nothing gets done but money keeps pumping into it. No, the only way you get paid is based on results. So you have a contract with incentives based on results. Yes, and that is the problem. You have to lower crime. You have to lower crime. You have to lower juvenile detention rates.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You have to improve education scores. You have to make food, healthy food, far more accessible. It would be very easy to open up enormous food pantries in the inner city and finance it in comparison to the amount of money we spend on other countries doing transgender monkey studies or whatever the fuck we do. The stuff they do is nuts, like $20 million to Sesame Street in Iraq. It's bananas.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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So if you've got enough money for that, you've got enough money to set up food banks in every fucking city where poor people can get nutritious food. Just sign on, have a driver's license, whatever the fuck you need to get your food.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Also, people aren't desperate because you can actually always eat. You know, which is a real problem with some people in this country, right? What's this about, Jamie? What are you pulling this off for? They didn't do a very good job, apparently. Oh, well, I'm sure they probably... Well, I said they did do corruption, and there was some waste, right?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4057.9

Because I was talking about these power plants they built that didn't matter. But the point is... It was a business. So you got businesses involved and they went in and they got contracts to do things.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4069.391

If you got contracts to re-engineer these communities slowly over time, you'd have to do it where it didn't shock the community, but slowly over time, unfortunately you would have to ramp up the law enforcement because there's going to be resistance. If you're going to go to the south side of Chicago and try to clean it up, you got... Gangs in there shooting each other every weekend.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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It's also the way it's shot is brilliant.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You got real fucking problem. Have you have you um, but what's the alternative? Let that keep going on forever You can't so you have to rip the band-aid off.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4103.829

Oh, the guy who made all those, the camps for those people? Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I think one of the first things you would finance is community centers. Finance like a real great community rec center where kids, if their mom's working, no one's there to take care of them. They got real good coaches there. They got people that can set them up maybe for potential athletic scholarships. They're talented. Maybe you have people that teach you how to play music.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Well, I think we are liberal. Of course we are.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Dude, I'm socially about as liberal as it gets. And I'm a firm believer in a social safety net, too. I'm a firm believer in welfare and food stamps. I just think there's a way... there's a way to address the root of the problem, which is people with no hope. And the way to do that is you've got to give them hope. You have to make it safer for them to live where they live.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You have to make it healthier for them to live where they live. And then I don't think it would cost that much to provide guidance for a bunch of kids that want guidance. And if you have good, solid role models that know how to do that kind of stuff, and they can all work together and build a program, what if those kids wind up being really talented musicians or really talented musicians

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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He's so lovable.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah, it has to be done for the right reasons, the right way, with the right people. And that was what we pulled off with the mothership because I was able to get everybody from California. But also I knew that that was the formula because it was kind of like the heart and soul of the store. It was like the people that were the coolest people that were running things over there

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Bring them over here. And it was just, the whole thing was so nuts, dude. It was like the universe wanted it to happen. Every light turned green right when we got to it. Every light turned, it just, none of it makes sense on paper. If you thought about the idea behind dumping a ton of money in a club and your ultimate goal is to break even, who fucking does that?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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And then it also, you have to- But that's government. Government shouldn't make money. So the ultimate goal should be to break even. Well, your ultimate goal shouldn't be everything is a money venture. Right. So the club is not a money venture. Right. The club is artistic. It's like I want it to be like a camp. Yeah. Camp for comics. Yeah. Like you go there, you're all your buddies are there.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Everybody's having a good time. We're all trade. We were all last night. Me and Shane Gillis were breaking down that me and Shane Gillis did bottom of the barrel last night for an hour. We were on stage for an hour. It was the most fun I've ever had doing it. We were crazy.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Well, that's why it's so easy to push like crazy woke nonsense into an office space because people are already bullshitting.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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crying good like tears rolling down my face crying laughing and then we're hanging out in the green room we're breaking down this bit and we're coming up with new lines this is like a laboratory it's a hangout yeah we got you know fucking gary clark jr's playing on the stereo yeah everybody's vibing we're all laughing woody harrelson's hanging out with us we're all having such a good fucking time man it's like that's what i wanted to build i didn't want to build a business i wasn't like whoa if i do if i sell drinks for x amount of

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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And then I charge this amount for a ticket and fuck the comedians over I do the opposite I pay the comedians way more than everybody else pays and looks what happens, but that's that's just to try to facilitate this artist colony I just want it to be a place where This is like the mothership even has a name like we came up the mothership because the first one was the asylum because

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Mitzi Shore, God bless her, she always used to say, oh, the inmates are running the asylum. That was her thing whenever she would come to the store. She loved it that we were crazy. She loved, like, you know, Dom Barris, like, jumping around backstage and everybody's laughing and Joey Diaz telling some crazy story and then Mitzi would pull up.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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She'd get out of her car, oh, the inmates are running the asylum. And I was like, if we're going to branch out, we should just call it the asylum. I like mothership. The mothership was better because, first of all, asylum was already taken. There's a couple of different asylums, so we couldn't have asylum. And then it was like... I'm so fascinated with UFOs. I'm so obsessed with that shit anyway.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Mothership is like the place where we all launch from. So when we go all throughout the rest of the country, you always come back to the Mothership.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

451.561

What else do I have to do to keep this job? What do I have to do to get a promotion? What do I have to do? Do I have to pretend that trans kids, what is it? Drab queen shows. Okay, I'm in. I'm in. Healthcare? Yeah, it's on my dick. Whatever you want to call it.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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We had such a good time.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4531.921

Oh, we had such a good time.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4534.104

Oh, my God, that jacket. I had to have it. I knew I wanted to wear a fur jacket. Yeah. I was like, I told Tony, I'm like, I'm getting a fur coat. I have to get a fur coat. I think I talked to you the day before. You're like, are you getting a fur coat? Yeah. I got it the day of the show.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah, my boy Phil found this dude who's a private shopper, and he found the spot to go. He's like one of them celebrity shopper dudes, and he found me the spot.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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They just think Tony's just roasting people.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Okay.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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yeah it is well tony loves comedy yeah loves comedy to the point where he's always writing lines for people backstage he's always like giving people tags and he's always talking about did you do that bit like oh i love that bit like he's a super supportive yeah with comedy and he loves when the guys who do his show like william montgomery when they start to fall They start killing it on the road.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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He loves that. He's actually put together a tour now, The Killers of Kill Tony.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah, and they're killing it. These guys are good, man. Ari Matty is fucking good, man. I was talking to him yesterday, man. He's fucking smart. He's funny. He's super ambitious. He wants to be an American so bad. He's a fun hang. He's got great perspective on stuff also. He's a great hang.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4783.192

Oh, yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4811.354

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's the next level of it. Yeah. Anyway, they emerge, right? Those are the new chapters in your bits, your new paragraphs. They emerge. It's the best.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4842.901

Well, that's why you like New York City. When you moved to Miami, you were like, it's too nice down here.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4860.374

You're in the sauna. I don't like resistance with people. I don't want to deal with people's bullshit. I got my own bullshit to deal with. That's my ice bath. Yeah, there it is. You just want to get out there and grind it out.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4874.98

Right. Bro, we better have a bulletproof vest.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4893.073

It's a real pathway to a career, and you've seen many, many, many people go through it, like Cam Patterson, David Lucas. These guys all have careers now. Yeah, he had a funny bit too. Cam's funny. Yeah. He's funny.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I think there's a little bit of a hindrance in that one minute a week because it's like you spend so much time working on that one minute that maybe you don't spend enough time tightening up your hour, whatever you have when you're on the road.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

491.584

Well, they're probably going to get fired.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4932.067

Don't let those go. Right. Build on them. As long as you're building on them, as long as you got more to it and it's better now, I think people want it. I think also there's this understanding that those guys are on the come up and they're putting it all together. And I think there's a certain amount of times you do it where you got to eventually leave.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4949.912

I say that, but then there's William Montgomery who does it every fucking week. And William's got this style that even if his jokes suck. It's funny because they suck. Because he gets angry. He gets angry at himself. He gets angry at the crowd. And then it gets funny. Bro, have you been seeing Brian Holtzman lately? No, no, no. Oh my God. He's the sweetest guy, by the way. He's the best guy.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Shout out Brian, man. He is so different than his onstage monster, the onstage Brian Holtzman. He needs a name and a different thing. There's a different human that comes out when he's onstage. You would think that he's a complete psychopath in real life. And he's just the kindest, sweetest guy. He's wonderful. I love him to death.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

4986.112

He's all hugs and joy and smiles, and he's always helping people to a detriment. One of the things about his show is we've had to stop some of the people that he allows open for him. Oh. Because it's people that haven't done comedy in forever and still know him. They're like, you think I could do a set? Sure, come on by. And then they eat dick for 10 minutes and the crowd gets tortured.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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So Adam had to put the brakes on that. But he himself is on fire. Shane and I were crying laughing watching his set last night. I mean crying laughing.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

504.154

I thought you were meaning government jobs were cut by USAID.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5047.623

That's hilarious. He was locked in, bro. Yeah, we all have good Green Room soundtracks. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a big thing.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5070.391

Yeah. Like, deep... Like KRS-One or something? Right, right, right. Cool G rap in the brand new heavies.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

509.659

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5091.535

Yeah, man. Death Threat with Brand New Heavies is my favorite before I go on stage song. That's interesting. I don't know. Oh, man. You don't know that song? No, I don't think so. Oh, my God. So the Brand New Heavies. And I found out about this song. I teared up when I was talking about Mitzi earlier. Oh, wow. I'm still a little teary. What were you thinking? Oh, just her. What was it?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5112.511

Just her saying, you know, all the inmates running the asylum. It just makes me cry. Why? Because that lady was, like, all the shit that I do at the club, like, I learned how to do it from her. Yeah. Like, you learn how to, like, facilitate comedy, like, to help comedy grow. I learned it all from her.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5134.683

All of it.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5141.727

Yeah, but the effects live on. I would have named the whole club Mitzi's if I didn't want to get sued by the family. They would have? I don't think they would have sued me. But no, they let me actually use the name for the bar. Yeah. And we have a picture of Mitzi in the bar, too. What was your guy's relationship like? Well, I mean, she was still lucid when I met her.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5189.859

Okay, so. You gotta understand, Martin Lawrence, people forgot Martin Lawrence. Let me tell you right now, go watch You So Crazy. Martin Lawrence is. Go watch Def Comedy Jam. The greatest host of Def Comedy Jam ever. His timing, but his performances when it's his hour, his timing, his energy. Infectious. Oh, he was so good. He was so good. And I used to eat shit going on after him every night.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5216.604

And Mitzi, no matter who was there, Dice Clay, Rogan, you're on after Dice. It's like, whoever the fuck it is, I'm going on after him. She just knew how to throw you to the wolves, man. She knew how to show you that your act is bullshit.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5325.367

That's that same bitch ass feeling like I hope the guy after me bombs. That's the same bitch ass feeling. I want the audience to have a great fucking time. So I want everybody to kill.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5360.445

Derek's a perfect guy for something like that, because he's got so much energy, and he's so good at fucking around. And just creating an energy of fun.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5382.706

Yeah. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5385.767

Yeah, and the people have the weird fear of being eclipsed. That's the thing. It's fear of being eclipsed while you're opening act. You'll get better. Get better. You're good.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5401.756

Yeah, maybe you're not working as hard as you should be working. maybe you're not at your best. And nothing will make you work hard than being embarrassed. Right. Also, I don't know how you operate, but for me, I'm funnier if I'm having fun. So if I'm hanging out with Ari and Duncan and Joey and we're all doing a show together- We are laughing our fucking ass off.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5423.294

And that comes out on stage and you're loose and you're ready to get goofy. And I'm laughing at Joey before I even go on stage. I'm sitting there laughing at his act before I get up there. So I go up there, I'm already in a great fucking mood. And the audience feels like they didn't get robbed.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5437.806

You didn't throw some scrub up there for 20 minutes just to fill time so you could look like a superhero.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5457.055

You might only get one date night a week.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5488.684

That's a good thing to think about. Yeah. Like those people that are like really, but you don't take things for granted anyway. You know, some people get a little sloppy. You get a little loose and you take things for granted. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

550.932

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5500.416

no man we were talking about that on stage or in the green room the other night Woody was backstage like you guys get nervous I'm like I get nervous for every show if I don't get nervous I don't do as good I get nervous I get nervous for everything important yeah and every show's important yeah It's not important like my life depends on it, but it's important to me.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5518.115

It's important to the audience. I want to do it right. So I want to figure out what I'm working on. I want to sit up. I got to be loose with this because this thing's still in development. So let's fuck around with that a little bit, but we're going to bring it back with this. And I'm going over my phone. I'm sitting back there before I go up there. I'm ready. Yeah, you can.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5534.685

If you don't do that, I don't think you achieve what you're trying to achieve.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5544.953

Yeah, that's what it is.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5569.255

That's cool. It's just a thing because you do care, so you try to pretend you don't because the cooler people don't care. The cooler people just bomb. I remember I watched Bill Hicks bomb once, and I was so goddamn impressed. Really? I was so impressed. First of all, he was very funny, but the stuff that he was talking about was so out there. He went on. There was this comedian, very nice guy.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5592.468

who went on before Bill Hicks. His thing was Comic on a Harley. That was his name, like his thing. I forget it, Larry something, Comic on a Harley. Nice guy, funny guy. But he did like a lot of stuff about like Bugs Bunny smoking weed, like real simple stuff. But it made people laugh. Cops and Donuts, like cliche shit. But good, and killed.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5615.549

And like just good enough for this blue collar crowd at Nick's Comedy Stop. And then Bill Hicks goes on stage and he's smoking a cigarette and he's talking about, I came here to fill you up with ideas you couldn't possibly imagine on your own. And then... How did the Boston crowd take that? Oh, they didn't take it good at all. He didn't just bomb. He cleared the room.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

5645.102

And he was doing this bit where Satan has sex with John Davidson, who was the host of That's Incredible. Like, Satan is fucking John Davidson. And then impregnates him, and then he shits out. I forget who he shits out. Different people at different times. But he's sitting on a toilet on stage, pretending he's sitting on a toilet, grunting. And then he looks up in the middle.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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People are getting up in droves. This generally clears a room. It cuts right back to it. But I mean, never lost his timing, never lost his composure. And it wasn't that it wasn't funny. It was me and Fitzsimmons were in the back of the room. Me and Fitzsimmons were- You knew Greg from back in Boston? Greg and I started a week apart from each other. Get out of here.

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We've been friends since we were like, I was 21. I think he was 22 or 23. Yeah. Yeah, we've been friends from the very, very beginning. Wow. So Greg and I were both open micers at the time. And we just knew that Hicks was coming and we wanted to watch. And we sat in the back of the room. We were fucking crying. Crying, laughing.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I think people do really do experience that, but also there's a certain type of personality that wants to let you know that they're enlightened. Yeah. They're further down the road than you, Andrew.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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So there was like 50 people left, 10 comics, 40 savages who just thought this guy was genius. And then the other 200 plus people... They all left. They all left. 200 is crazy to leave. Bro, it was a bloodbath. Like half the crowd, more than half the crowd left. Yeah. No, it was like three quarters of the crowd probably. That's a large percentage. It was a large percentage. There wasn't much left.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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But Fitzsimmons and I fondly talk about that day. Like he never lost his cool. He almost like... I don't know when he knew he had pancreatic cancer, because he died a few years later, but he kind of seemed like a guy that whatever the fear of bombing and whatever this thing of failure, that wasn't on his mind. It didn't bother him.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Go to this exclusive web address to try ZipRecruiter for free. ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. Again, that's ZipRecruiter.com slash R-O-G-A-N. ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Oh, you mean corporate DEI jobs? Could be DEI. It could just be anybody working there in general. There's a bunch of people that got jobs and their whole job was to make sure that the company was diverse. Right.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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When you have limited time, that's not... I wonder if that's what it was. I don't know if he knew already, but he was so calm up there. Yeah. But funny. Very funny, but just he changed the way people wanted to do comedy because everybody after that wanted to be profound Yes, nobody wanted to be profound before that.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah, they just want to get big laughs Yeah, then all sudden everybody wanted to be profound. Yeah, you know it was interesting like he became like this poet Yeah, you know you see trends like that pop up.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Right, right, right.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You've got to be who you are. Right, yeah. And it has to gel together with you. You have to be into what you're doing. If you're not into what you're doing, you can't say the same words with the same inflection without the same mindset. If your mindset is off, they fucking know, man. It doesn't matter what your timing is. They know, they know you're not locked in. So they're not locked in.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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You know? Yeah. Like when someone's killing, like last night when Holtzman was killing and me and Shane were laughing, we were locked into whatever the psychopath was talking about. He was talking about drowning people. I was like, he's so out of his fucking mind. It was so funny. Yeah. It was so funny. But you give them that. You let them take your mind for a ride.

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Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Yeah, also if you do it, then you're stuck. Now that's how you do art. You lie to people. So you're always trying to concoct some new fucking weird version of yourself. What's gonna sell more? You're a pop music star now? That's what you're like.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I think generally those people are self-obsessed to in a bad way where they think about themselves and success rather than the thing they're doing. Like, what is the thing I'm doing? The thing I'm doing is I'm trying to create something that's good, that works. I'm trying to make it the best version of whatever fuck it is. So how do I do that? You can't be thinking about yourself and do that.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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That's why thieves can't write. Because the mentality of being a thief is I want that idea for myself. It's not like how does it... I want to create.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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And also those new things, those new things that pop out, they feel like gifts from the universe. Like a new bit that's a banger, it's like, where did this come from? This came from the universe.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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And it's like, do you remember the Rainbow Coalition? You remember Jesse Jackson back in the day?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Comedy is the best job on earth for us.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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For us. I was trying to talk Woody into doing it last night. I mean. Because he was thinking about it. Because apparently, I said, I will 100% help you. He goes, would you really? I go, 100%. I go, if you want to do comedy, I'll get you time. I'll work with you on material. I'll get guys to help you. I'll work with you. You could totally do it.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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If you could do that monologue on SNL, you could do stand-up. Yeah. You could do stand-up. Brave for that monologue. Yeah. Brave guy.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Jesse Jackson used to, he had this thing where he would go to businesses, like if they had some sort of a dispute, like say if there was some sort of an issue, like maybe some black executive got fired, maybe shouldn't have, or someone put something on the wall in the bathroom, something, Jesse Jackson would come in for a nominal fee. For a nominal fee.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I think you can say whatever the fuck he wants in that regard. Because it's like at this point, it's like who doesn't think he's accurate? Like you're in denial if you don't think he's accurate. This is a problem the Democrats have right now. What's that?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6123.255

Is that the Trump administration, what they're uncovering with Doge, like all this waste and fraud and abuse, whatever you want to categorize it as. And I'm sure there's a bunch of things that fall into different categories. But the Democrats aren't acknowledging that it's a problem at all.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6140.247

When you find this building in San Antonio that they spent $2 billion on and it's completely empty and it's getting a million dollars a month or whatever the fuck it's getting. And where's that money going?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6255.18

Yeah, no, I agree. I agree on both sides. I think... People are really foolish spending all their time just attacking the ideas of the other party instead of promoting really good ideas of your own. Amen. And the thing about this whole Doge thing is it's such a lightning rod.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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And one of the reasons why it's such a lightning rod is because these politicians are being pressured to try to keep a lot of the spending because a lot of the spending is – It's all shenanigans. It's moving around to thousands of different NGOs. And you're talking about billions and billions and billions of dollars that were going somewhere. So people were profiting. People had jobs.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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And they want to keep all those jobs. They want to keep that money flowing in, even the bullshit money, as much as they can. So there's fucking court orders. And there's lawsuits. And the Supreme Court just stopped a $1.9 billion freeze on something. There's something that just came up. It was today.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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He will come in and straighten your business out. What does straighten your business out mean? Well, make sure that you guys are on the right track. Give a little speech. Collect a little check. So basically say you're not racist. Absolutely. You can't be racist if you're hiring Jesse Jackson and we're on the right track. So he comes along, gives you the rubber stamp. Legend.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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So there's like legal battles about all this stuff. You're going to have a lot of confusion in that regard. But I think it's important. One of the things they're doing is they're highlighting the ridiculous things. Like they're highlighting the $250 million on transgender animal studies. $4.7 trillion that they can't account for.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I'm sure it's amazing and I will. I will watch. I was busy last night. But it's like there's also a way to really clearly express to people that there's legitimate use for aid. And this isn't really U.S. aid. It's United States Agency for International Development. If you're worried about foreign aid, I fully, completely agree. We should spend money in third world countries building wells.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6365.129

We should spend money trying to get food to poor people. And that's not what this program is designed to do. Right, that's not what this is about. And if it's about health care for people and providing free clinics for people in impoverished areas, yeah, we should spend on that. But also, that's not where this money's going. A lot of this is regime overthrowing money. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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This is regime change money. A lot of this is money that's being propped up. They're sending money to the Taliban every fucking week. This is crazy. You have to understand what this really is. So what we have to do, I think, as Americans is, look, you got a president. He's your president, whether you like it or not. That's your president for four years. Let's hope he does a great job.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Wouldn't you want him to do the great job? He's the captain of the ship. I don't want to hit the rocks. Let's hope he gets us into a beautiful harbor.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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So together, that doesn't mean the Democrats can't win in four years, but you can't win doing this. You can't win all saying this shit ain't right. And then all of you say the exact same thing. Well, now I know who's on the take. Now I know who's got the script. Now I know who doesn't have a fucking mind of their own. You have to read the script that whatever corporate daddy filed onto your desk.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6432.996

It's think tank politics. They need a real leader. And those real leaders are all pussy hounds. And they're all going to, that's the problem. Yeah. They all got skeletons.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6456.521

I don't understand his constitution. What do you mean? You go through the same shit. Yeah, but his is beyond. They shot him, dude. Yeah, they haven't shot you yet. Not only did they shoot him yet. You perform inside. That's the problem. That's part of the problem. But not only did they shoot him, But people forgot about it in two weeks. And to this day. Moving right along.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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He didn't get shot enough. To this day. Like people were talking about his ear. They're like, oh, but it doesn't look that shot. And it's like. There's so many people that think that he rigged it, that he did it on purpose, that he staged it. Yeah, he staged a bullet coming. Nicking his ear. Like they don't understand accuracy. Come on. Especially with iron sights.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6495.523

You know, he didn't even have a scope on the rifle. So, iron, do you know what iron sights are? No. Okay. So like, say if you have a pistol. Yeah. At the back of the pistol, where the handle is. Yeah. Oh, the little thing that you're supposed to look through, yeah. And then there's a little post at the front and you line the two of them up like that.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

650.48

And he's like balling, like balling out of control, just giving the rubber stamps to these companies. And then on top of that, what they do is then they would have jobs for people to oversee this activity in a large corporation. So it's basically like no-show jobs the mob used to give out at the Javits Center. I had a buddy of mine who had one of those.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6510.845

And he's shooting 140 yards with iron sights. Yeah. You can't just nick someone's ear. You'll hit their fucking head. You'll blow their brains out accidentally. How much do you have to account for gravity at that distance? You don't. That's really short. That's a short distance. That's why you can put the post on it. If you wanted to go long distance, then you would want a scope.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6531.058

You want a high-powered scope, and you would also use ballistic software.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6534.881

So ballistic software is like you would apply like there's like a watch that has it built in actually the Garmin tactics X tactics 8 rather so you You would take this ballistic software you calculate the distance So there's a you would use a rangefinder the rate which he had by the way he had a fucking rate He was walking around with a rangefinder before the they saw him with a rangefinder.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6559.45

They didn't even arrest him Somebody let him on that roof. They fucking gave him that gun. That's what I think I The rangefinder would say, oh, 500 yards. So then you would set your sight for 500 yards.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6573.501

So your application with some scopes, you can actually sync up your scope with your app. So it'll put the reticle, it'll put the crosshairs exactly where you need to aim. for the bullet to drop. Exactly. Exactly. That makes sense. So the reticle, the X would move up and down. Accordingly, yeah. Exactly.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6598.624

No, there's no, and he's also elevated. It's a straight shot. It's a pretty, I mean, maybe a very slight drop because it's only like a millisecond before it hits him. It's a very slight drop at that. But when you get to like significant distances, like 400 yards, 500 yards, it's a factor. Yeah. Like you hold high. What does that mean, hold high?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6618.542

So if you're zeroed, say if I'm shooting a deer and my rifle's zeroed at 100 yards, that means at 100 yards it shoots exactly where that crosshairs is. But the deer is 300 yards? I'll hold it at the top of his back. Because you know it's going to come down.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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No, this is with a rifle.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6637.87

With bows, you have to be very, very sure because there's so much drop. There's so much drop. Yeah. Yeah, there's so much drop. I have...

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6647.957

um a rangefinder that's not just a rangefinder it's called a full draw so loophole full draw five and what it does is it doesn't just put the reticle and tell me the exact distance since i'm not aiming with this this is just giving me the distance but it also shows me a line where the peak of the arrow height is because the arrow arcs right yeah so what i'm doing is i'm shooting through trees sometimes like i'm trying to shoot an animal and i'm shooting through a gap in the trees

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6680.53

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Like there's a video of me hunting with Cam. We were hunting in Utah. Okay. And it was for Under Armour, back when he was with Under Armour. Yeah. And I had to shoot this elk through trees. I shot it through, like it's a video. You can see the arrow go choo-choo. Right through this hole. It's probably one of the most beautiful shots I've ever made.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

670.389

Do people know what the Javits Center is here? It's a big convention center in New York City.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6706.136

And I made it on camera. Because I was kind of freaking out. I've got to have a hunt on camera? Like hunting is a big thing for a celebrity to be doing. You're hunting. But you're also going to hunt on camera. And you're going to hunt on camera with a bow and arrow. So I was like super locked in. And it was just perfect. It was just magical how that arrow went right through this gap.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6724.903

Just thread the needle and whap. Right in the heart. It was perfect. It was a perfect shot. Like exactly where you're wrong. Right behind the shoulder, right up here. It was like double lungs and the top of the heart.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6737.405

Ooh. And then you got to carry that bitch. Yeah, well, you got to chop it up first. You're not carrying it. It's too big.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6760.043

It's very hard. And what we do is way easier than what some guys do. Some guys do public land, solo, backpack elk hunting. So they're throwing the shit in the backpack. They have a pack. So they'll take, like, a pack, like... Great Pack is like XO Mountain Gear. It's a great company that makes packs. And they have different frames based on your height.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6784.226

It's all made so you can carry a lot of weight on your body. A lot of it sits on your hips. And it's all engineered. Oh, it displaces the weight so you're not just getting dragged down. It's genius. Pull up XO Mountain Gear backpacks. They have specific packs that are designed so you can carry 100 pounds on your back as comfortably as you can. But it's fucking brutal. So these guys might hike in.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6812.747

So that's what it looks like. So see all these packs? Get the picture of those guys when they have it on their back, Jamie, the one above that? Yeah, that one right there. So that's what it would look like. for two dudes who are carrying their whole camp on their back. So they probably have their tent in there, they have their sleeping bag in there, they have food in there for a week.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6831.582

You got freeze-dried food, generally speaking. There's a bunch of different meals, like Mountain Ops, not Mountain Ops, there's a bunch of different companies. So this is a guy carrying an L-quarter on his back. That motherfucker probably has 100 pounds on his back right now because he has his bag and his pack, which is probably 50 pounds. And then he has a giant ass elk leg on his back.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6865.689

Yeah, but you can get lucky and find them a couple of miles in, and that's pretty nice.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6874.294

Yeah, some guys do that. But some guys are hard fucking core. They'll kill an elk 25 miles in and spend three days bringing it back.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

688.029

Yeah, I don't want to say his name because he's still around, but he was an actor. And I was working with him, and he was explaining he's got a no-show job. Do I know who you're talking about? Probably not, but I'll tell you afterwards. Fucking great guy. But afterwards, everybody was like, that guy's so mobbed up. He's got a fucking no-show job. You know what's funny?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6888.443

You got to string it up in a tree. You string it up in a tree. Got it.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6907.956

That seems almost more stressful. Well, the best way to do it, the backcountry, if you have the money, is horses. They have horses take you back there. And the horses will pack, or mules. Yeah, so you can pack them up. Yeah, they'll keep your camp on their back. And you'll have several, like a train of them. And then you can load them up with elk quarters and take them back.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6931.289

And for them, it ain't shit. It's thousands of pounds, right? Well, it's not really. How much is an elk? It's about 400 pounds of meat.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6941.476

You're leaving a lot. So you skin it, you cut it up.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6944.339

But you've got to take some of the bones. You want a rib, right? You could have the ribs. Most guys cut the rib meat out of the ribs and you grind it and make hamburger or chili out of it or things like that. Yeah. Cam, he makes strips and then chops those strips up. There's a lot of different things you could do with rib meat. It's pretty tender. It's good.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6967.42

It's real good when you cook them slow over a fire, though. It's not the most tender meat. When you cook them over a fire, it can get pretty tough unless you do it real low and slow, like smoking it almost like they would do a barbecue. But it makes great hamburger. But what everybody really loves is the backstrap meat. That's that. That's like essentially that would be like the filet mignon.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

6994.094

The filet, right. The tenderloin. And then the quarters. You make great steaks and you can make.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7003.519

Like hunting? Yeah. You try not to. Keep working out.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7016.585

He'll still be bow hunting at 75. Hunt a different thing? No. No, he'll be doing the same thing.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7023.673

There are, but not as much anymore. Not with hormone replacement and weight lifting. Got it, got it. Guys like me didn't exist 30 years ago. Like 57-year-old jack dudes, they didn't exist. By the time you get 57- All that shit's gone. And all that shit goes away. I still have 30-year-old arms. They're still legit. They work real good. Everything works real good.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7055.642

But you have to maintain yourself, take care of yourself. And if there's something like that that you care about... I have a friend, Brendan Burns. He runs Kuyu. It's a huge outdoor clothing company. He's a hardcore bow hunter. One of the best bow hunters in the world. Was a big-time college wrestler. Great athlete. Won't even try jiu-jitsu because he doesn't want to hurt himself for hunting.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7077.777

Hunting is so important to him. He's like, I'm not skiing.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7088.724

What is this?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

710.778

You get like 200 grand a year. You don't even have to work.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7125.439

And this is the game?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7127.4

And you play with tennis balls? It's unbelievable.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7170.295

How do I not know about this?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

72.006

And one way to get instant street cred in the psychedelics world is to say you do ayahuasca. Yeah. If you do mushrooms, you might just be some asshole at a party. You and your friends are just fucking giggling nonstop on the couch. It could be that.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

720.749

USAID found this place in San Antonio that they spent billions of dollars on. You thought it was only Ukraine getting money for nothing?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7215.213

How the fuck am I just finding out about this for the first time?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7221.097

Paddled Club, Austin or something.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7228.662

This guy just ran outside the arena. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7248.443

You know all the players?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7253.445

I can't believe I'm just finding out about this right now.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7282.954

Wow, you're taking lessons.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7299.761

Wow.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7305.703

It does look fun. Dude, it's... I just can't believe you can run outside. It's just... That's so crazy that you run outside.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7364.587

Wow.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7394.33

It's great. Yeah. Jamie's a little sneaky athlete. Oh, Jamie's a good basketball player. But even tennis, too. You see Jamie sink threes. Yeah, he's sneaky. We had a little fun.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7405.124

He's a motherfucker with the drive. He's got that simulator in the back. Oh, in your house? What's the furthest? Right here. Right here. We have it in the garage. What's the furthest you ever whacked one of those on that? I don't know. Far. 300 yards. Whatever. Oh, wow. You're like a legit. Dude, his swing is legit. You should have seen Brian Cowan trying to swing after Jamie.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7426.016

It was comical because I'm behind him talking mad shit.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7440.263

Oh, it was so much fun. It was so much fun. It was joyful.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7452.225

How about you told me about it? I never even knew it was a thing. If someone brought it up to me, I'd be like, that's bullshit.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7465.974

Oh, look, I had Kamaru there. Oh! Doesn't Kamaru have really fucked up knees? Don't ruin his knees, bro.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7476.661

His knees are so fucked up. Yeah, it's tricky. I hope that if stem cell technology advances, if the FDA finally allows people to have the same kind of stem cells in America that they do in Colombia and Mexico.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7496.773

I don't know.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7502.137

I mean. It's like Norway that they're harvesting them. Well, the places that I know of are the big one is the CPI in Tijuana. That's one of the best in the world. Okay. And that place is, they have a partnership with the UFC. They send a lot of the athletes down there. Oh, really? And there's another place in Columbia, BioAccelerator.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7528.115

Oh, okay.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7535.959

Well, there's Panama, too, Neil Riordan, Dr. Neil Riordan, who's really, he's written so many books and papers on the benefits of stem cells.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7544.064

I've done a shitload of them, yeah. And what is the immediate impact? Oh, it heals soft tissue way better than anything else that I've ever used before. So like what, for example, what injury did you have that you felt? The biggest one I've talked about before, I apologize if you've heard this before, people.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7559.854

I had a rotator cuff tear, a full length rotator cuff tear and went to a doctor, went to the UFC's doctor. They sent me to orthopedic surgeon. He looks at my MRI. You can't believe I can do anything. He says, I can't believe you can do anything with this shoulder. You have a full length rotator cuff tear. But he does all the stuff with me, like push down, push up.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7578.884

And he goes, you're pretty functional. He goes, I think it's probably because you have a lot of muscle around the joint, but you're going to need surgery. He goes, you could try to rehab it, but you're going to need surgery. I go, really going to need surgery? He goes, yeah. I go, am I ruining my shoulder by not having surgery? He's like, potentially.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7595.407

He's like, you know, try your best rehab, put it off as much as you want, but you're going to need surgery. So then I go to Dr. Roddy McGee in Vegas. And this was years ago. He's doing stem cells with the UFC athletes. He's a bunch of different people. He's like, well, we could try it. And I think the stem cells I got them actually aren't even available anymore because they were too good.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7615.169

Um, so they inject it in my shoulder and then after a couple of weeks, it feels pretty fucking good. And then I rehab it. I'm doing like bands and all sorts of different stuff. I get it to the point where it starts feeling good. I start light, like light kettlebells feeling pretty good. I go back to him six months later. He does an MRI.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7631.979

He says, this is the most astounding thing I've ever seen in all my years of being an orthopedic surgeon. He goes, the tear is gone. This full-length rotator cuff tear that was gonna need surgery doesn't exist anymore. When I say my shoulder is better, I mean, it doesn't bother me at all, at all. I do everything. I hit the bag. I do kettlebells with 70 pounds.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7658.499

I do swings and curls and cleans and presses. Zero pain. Not a one thing like, man, maybe I shouldn't be doing this. It feels 100% normal. And all stem cells. Like I could have got cut with a sling.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7676.1

Didn't do any of that.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7681.841

I'll bring you to Ways to Well that's in Austin. Listen, man, they've healed so many people that I'm friends with. So many guys that I know.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7731.223

Pull-ups are great exercise, but hanging is great for shoulder health. So what I do every day for at least a minute, usually more, I usually do a couple of sets of hangs before I do anything. I'll do my warm-ups with push-ups and bodyweight squats, and then what I do is I chalk up my hands, And I grab a hold of the bar, and I just hang.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7754.986

And I just try, and I feel my back popping, like it decompresses your back. Because your spine, like the weight of your hips and your legs is pulling on your spine for the first time. Normally, life is pushing down on you. Gravity, the weight of your body is pushing down.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7770.08

Yes. So I do that. I hang that way. And then I also do that deck swing. We have a machine out there, Teeter, the company that makes those things where you hang by your ankles. Yeah, I've seen it. They have a great one where you, it's called the Dex.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7781.729

I like it better than the ankle one where you hinge at the hips and you fall forward and then you just, it's basically like your lower body and your hips are carrying, like locking your weight in place and you're leaning forward. So the full weight of your upper body is decompressing your back. And I'll feel it going like pop, pop, pop. I'll feel like little pops in my back.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7803.624

And I stretch it and I move on that thing. And it's all just about keeping the spine pliable and keeping the range of motion in your spine. But also in your shoulder joints. It's one of the best things for shoulder joints is to just hang. And I'll hang with one arm sometimes. I'll hang with both arms. But I'm just like letting it all stretch out.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7823.895

So it stretches all your – the mobility of your shoulders and – Create space in there. It allows everything to move freer. And then I'll do my chin-ups. So I do my sets of chin-ups, dips, pull-ups. So that's your stretch, essentially. Yes.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

783.215

I had no clue the Rainbow Coalition already worked. That is what it's called, right? Yeah, it was the Rainbow Coalition. He had a bunch of other things he would call it under, but the whole idea was just to make sure that people weren't doing the wrong thing. Yeah. Do the right thing. Yeah, you got to do the right thing. You got to do the right thing. You always got to do the right thing.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7839.989

I also stretch on a bar where I grab the bar and I turn like this and I get it like that. And I get like a deep stretch that way and I get a deep stretch the other way. I'll do that on my back on the ground. You should also do these things called, it's called crossover symmetry. It's these bands and they have varying resistance, like different colors or different strength or resistance.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7860.243

You don't even need a lot of resistance. The whole idea is just you're working the tendons and all the connective tissue and you're just doing all these different shoulder exercises. And so they cross, like one is attached to a post over here and the other one's here.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7873.368

So I'm doing these and I'm doing these and I'm doing, I'm pinning them against my arm and I'm doing it like that where I'm just working the rotator cuff muscles and just, just to keep everything.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7885.235

Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7890.539

And that's how you get injured sometimes too. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7904.391

You do PT twice a week?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7910.759

I see. I see.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7915.965

Have you been able to increase the mobility of your scapula?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7935.478

Let me say one thing real quick. That's not always true. I know a lot of people that have had successful shoulder surgery. And in some cases, that's the only thing you can do. To save yourself. Yeah. There's like Yuri Prohaska, the UFC light heavyweight champion. His shoulder was blown apart. They had to put it back together again. They had to. And incredibly effective. Yeah. Damn.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7956.434

That Jamal Hill fight? Unbelievable. Holy shit. Unbelievable. Holy shit. Yeah. So for a situation like that, shoulder surgery was necessary. This shit was torn apart. You can't just heal that with stem cells. But there are things you can heal with stem cells. And it definitely helps soft tissue injuries in a way like nothing else I've ever used. Yeah, it's legit.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

7977.765

And Brigham Bueller, who's the CEO of WasteWell, he's worked so hard on edge. He's been on this podcast a bunch of times and Tucker's podcast, a bunch of podcasts, just talking about all these different methods that are available that are being stifled by the FDA. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

800.131

Yeah, but the problem with that is it gets hijacked. Obviously, there should be no racism. There should be zero racism. Yes. There should be zero discrimination. Everything should be merit-based. Yeah. But the problem with that is, and this is a real problem, the country's not merit-based in terms of where you're born. You didn't earn your birth spot.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8035.294

Super legit.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8055.735

Well, that's a good doctor because I've had friends where I tell them about their doctors. Oh, you shouldn't do that. There's no studies.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8086.369

Well, let me tell you something. There's a reason why USADA didn't let people use it in the UFC and now Drug Free Sport also doesn't let people use it in the UFC. It's because it works. It's efficient.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8099.72

Exactly. It's really stupid. But the idea is that it's performance enhancing because it lets you heal quicker. So heal from injuries quicker, potentially heal from recovering from training quicker.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8114.975

Well, the idea is like keep everybody on a completely level playing field. How do you do that? No one's able to take anything. You can't take any performance-enhancing substances. Or make it accessible to all athletes that are in the UFC. Well, I think that's the right way to do it. But the problem is that, okay, what peptides are we talking about?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8131.767

What about things like HCG, which radically increase testosterone production? Are you allowed to do that? Okay, because if you're allowed to do that, what level is that steroid?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8149.655

There's an argument for that, but I think the real argument is like what's causing cancer, right? The real argument is like eliminating environmental toxins and the issues. Also, there's people that have genetic predispositions to cancer, unfortunately. Right. But the real reality about cancer is, unfortunately, what you take into your body has a significant effect.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8169.764

Your diet has a significant effect. Exercise has a significant effect. And also, do you participate in any recovery activities like sauna, which is huge? They did a study out of Finland. Again, I apologize if you've heard this before. It was a 20-year study. They found people who use sauna for four days a week had a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

818.588

You didn't earn your family.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8193.324

All-cause, meaning heart attack, stroke, cancer, you name it. Yeah. 40% decrease just because of the effects of sauna.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

820.169

It's a roll of the dice, and you get real lucky or really fucking unlucky. Yeah. And as a community, as a country, we pay zero attention to the completely downtrodden.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8208.357

Well, this is what they did. They did this randomized control trial. So they did this study where they took these people and sauna use in Finland is everywhere. Everybody uses a sauna. And so they did it based on these questionnaires. Do you do the sauna once a week? Do you sauna twice a week? What temperature do you do the sauna? And how long do you do it for? And they determined...

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8232.473

that the people that did the sauna four times a week for 20 minutes at 175 degrees had a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality. Now, when you drop the number of sessions, you also drop the all-cause mortality survival. Got it. So it's like 20% at once a week, 30%. So it's like that. Measurable differences in the amount of people that were healthy and robust who did it four times a week.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8275.682

Right. Wow. Benefits are legitimate, real, measurable. It's hermetic stress. It's heat shock proteins your body produces to deal with the fact that you're essentially dying. You can't stay. I do it at 196. You can't stay there very long. I do 25 minutes at 196. Have you ever passed out in it? No.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8297.057

Is that a thing people do?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8302.1

Get out the smelling salts. I stay awake. No, you could, though. Yeah, I mean, if you are the type of person who passes out, if you've got issues. Yeah. Some people pass out just from stress. Yeah. I watched a kid black out the other night at one of these school things that my kid had to go to. Really? Some boy fainted on stage. Wow. Yeah, sometimes people just...

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8324.173

Sometimes your brain goes, too much, check please.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8391.448

Oh, so it was that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, that's where HCG comes in, actually, because that's one of those peptides that actually increases your sperm production.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8410.547

That helps, too. That's supposed to be good for your nuts.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8455.304

There was a study, I think it was out of Japan, and what they were doing was they were getting people to cold plunge before exercise. So you cold plunge for three minutes and then you exercise and you force your body to heat up while you're working out.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8473.868

massive increase in testosterone to the point where this one guy he had he got his prostate levels checked and his doctor was like this is this is concerning like we want to do this we want to do that we want to put you on this and put you on that and the guy says you know this is an article that's available online this one guy tried this he goes okay well let me find out what's available online so he finds out cold plunging does it and then

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

85.674

Right. You don't get points for that. Yeah. You can say you took a heroic dose. You'll get points amongst the learned. Yeah. Like, oh. Yeah, but the casuals don't give a fuck. The casuals don't give a fuck.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8501.65

So here, this is the thing. Japanese cold-plunge study, often referenced, discussed about cold. Immersing the wrist in cold water before exercise significantly increased testosterone levels in young Japanese men compared to immersing it after exercise, which suppressed testosterone levels, highlighting the importance of timing when using cold stimulation for potential hormonal benefits.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8521.246

So what this guy did was he plunged, not just the wrist, and then went to the doctor months later, and the doctor thought he was on hormones. The doctor's like, you have 1,100 testosterone. This is crazy. Like, what's going on? And he tells them, I've been cold plunging before I lift weights. And the doctor's like, well, keep fucking doing that. And so I know a lot. I do that now. Really?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8545.21

Yeah, I know a lot of people that do that now. This is how they start their workout. My workout starts with a cold plunge.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8585.883

It's coming in at 400 PSI.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I know that's happened to a lot of people I know that got canceled. People that got canceled where they were just overwhelmed, where they couldn't breathe, and they didn't think that they could make it. They were like, I can't do this. Oh, because they were going through that. Yeah, they were going through it, like in the heart of it.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8647.253

And they're like, you got to call up, check up on them, and make sure they're okay. I remember Tony. I remember the fork in the road. I remember the curve I was driving on when I was talking on the phone to Tony when he was going through his first one.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8662.379

And he's like, this is not good, man. I'm not doing good. And I'm like, fuck, man. And that was the moment where I was like, please don't kill yourself. You're going to get better. You're going to be fine. I didn't say that. But that's what you're thinking. That's what I was thinking. I remember being in my car. Going, ooh. Like, hearing him on the phone. We were on speakerphone.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8683.798

I was like, fuck, man. Well, yeah, you dedicate your entire life to one thing. But it's also, it's just like feeling like it's over. Everything's over. Your career's over. Your life is over, as you know. One stupid thing, and now it's over forever. And just the... You can't breathe. Yeah. You can't breathe. Yeah. I get it. And, you know, Tony's tough. He's resilient. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

870.711

Dude, that was the first time I really got canceled was over Bernie because they didn't want Bernie to win. And so they started calling me racist and homophobic. And I was like, where is this coming from?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8702.579

He got through it pretty quick and he was back and then, you know, a couple weeks later he was laughing about it.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8707.465

But some people, you know, they get wrecked and they're not the same ever again. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8848.102

Let me ask you this. First of all, when did IVF become... available to people? And how many people a year do you think use IVF? And if they didn't, how many less people would there be on earth?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8896.604

That seems insane.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8918.011

There it is. Senate Republicans block IVF bills. Democrats elevate issue ahead of November election.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8937.583

Well, for people that want to be parents, man. I know quite a few people like yourself. they want to be parents so bad and that gave them the ability and now they're so happy. And it's the most incredible thing in the world. Yeah. And if they don't do that, guess what? There's no babies. It's not like, it's like more life will occur if you have, if you allow this.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8976.385

I wonder if it's more prevalent, the issue or the necessity of it with people that live in cities.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

8989.949

Yeah, brake dust. Yeah. Yeah, it's particulates. Absolutely. That's the shit that you wipe off your wheels when you clean your car? No, never. That stuff's in the air. You never washed your car? Nope. Jesus Christ.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9011.734

That's a good car to park in the city, too. You don't give a fuck what happens to that thing.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9018.317

That's such a piece of shit.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9029.941

You got some dough. I'm going to turn you on to some fucking fun.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9033.723

Yeah, you got to learn the appreciation of cars. I got my... Yeah, there it is. Oh, there are the boys. Look at that thing. Look at the boys. That thing's fun. Oh, yeah. Look at these guys.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9051.053

Yeah, I'd go with you guys.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9056.296

Like, if you take this pill, this is what you'll have. You'll have fun with your friends on the beach with a Suzuki Samurai. It's so much fun.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9066.539

Yes.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9104.861

Look at him go.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9132.558

Do you know the term kaizen? Do you know what that means?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9135.76

Kaizen is a Japanese term for taking a thing and continuing to refine it until it reaches perfection. So Japanese, first of all, Thank you. Supercars were always Italian. It was always German, Porsche, Ferrari, that kind of shit. And then Nissan created a car that destroyed everybody. What was it? The GT-R.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9166.061

So the Nissan GT-R, they've essentially been making the same exact car, just refining it for like 20 years. I have a 2024 Nissan GT-R Nismo, which is their race package. which is the most refined version of the GT-R they've ever, and it's a fucking marvel of engineering and refinement. That fucking car is magical. It's just glued to the road. You ever seen one? Do you know it? No, show me.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9197.252

Pull up a black Nissan 2024 GT-R Nismo.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9211.736

That's what it looks like.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9214.118

It's a spaceship. That's a Nismo 300. That's mine. That's my car right there. What is that, Nissan Z300 or something like that? um this came out when i was in college yeah 340z there's a bunch of those but that's the that's the gtr yeah that thing it's just it's just it's just you're on a ride yeah you're riding a ride everywhere whirs and clinks and clunks and yeah It's so fun.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9243.157

That's a different one. That's a 300Z, a 370Z. That's pretty sick, too, though. That looks good. But there's a whole culture of taking these things. There's guys that make these things. They jack them up to 2,000 horsepower, and they spit fire out of the back of them.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9262.532

The best pizza you've ever had.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9266.175

Wow.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9366.991

Well, doing a good job at anything, there's a lot of value in that for everybody. If you love making shoes and you become a cobbler and you make awesome shoes and you got like Andrew shows up, bro, those shoes are sick. I love them. I want another pair. But could you make them in crocodile? Yeah. Oh, let's go. Yeah. Yeah, it's exciting.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9384.392

Making things and having relationships with the people you sell them to, that's super rewarding. We do chase that big dream over in America and make it seem like everybody has to have it, but the dream of making cabinets that are awesome is a pretty fucking cool dream. Beautiful. Yeah, the dream of being a painter is a pretty cool dream.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9402.478

There's a lot of dreams that don't get the value added to them because of fame. We have this weird thing about fame above all in this country.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9417.362

Oh, yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

942.76

Yeah, it's all a hustle. If we had... The entire time, if we had brilliant people working for the betterment of the United States, it'd be a far better place to live in. We've had a bunch of people that are capitalizing off of the fact they get in this position of extreme influence and wealth, and they make insane amounts of money for people with a $170,000 a year salary, and they keep it rolling.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9427.386

A lot out here, man.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9431.428

Right. Nor is it in L.A. In L.A., a lot of the moms have jobs, too. They have careers. They don't want to abandon their career.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9462.625

You know who really gets the scrutiny? Stay-at-home dads.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9481.504

I wanted to see where you were going with it. I fed you one of them little racquetball balls. The paddle. It's paddle. Paddle ball. Yeah, yeah. I fed you one of those half-filled tennis balls, and you fucking shoved it down my throat. But yeah, that is the weird thing. It's like... I know. As well as a male, you feel a real strong pull to be a provider. We do. It feels very important. Yeah.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9508.41

And it really, like, as you become a father and you raise children, it really gets instilled on you. Like, I always had a really good work ethic, but becoming a father made me have a much stronger work ethic. Like, there's... I... If I was a single man with no responsibilities, who knows if I would work as hard? Who knows if I would take days off? I would fuck off.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9530.203

My friends are like, hey, let's go bow hunting in Argentina. I'm like, yeah, I'll take the day off. Fuck it.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9548.41

It's very sad when it doesn't. Those people shouldn't have kids. Yeah. I've met men where they just keep doing the same thing even after they have children. And you're like, oh, my God, dude, you can't do this. Do they want to have them? Who knows? Who knows if people want or if they think they want and then they have and then they don't change. Louis C.K. said something really cool once to me.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9570.998

He's like, when you have children, you just gotta let it change you. Just let it change you. Don't hold on to who you think you are and what you think your identity is. Just let it transform you. Adjust. Because everybody adjusts. The mom adjusts. Now it's not your girlfriend anymore. It's not your wife anymore. Now it's a mother. She has a child. She made a human being in her body.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9593.942

It's very vulnerable and she loves it more than anything in this world.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9597.583

And it's this crazy experience that if you don't have and you're on the outside, you look at it as like, oh, that responsibility. Oh, fuck that. Oh, you're tied down. Oh, you got kids now. But it's another level of understanding what life really is because it's this constant cycle of new people entering into the world and eventually you will leave this world.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9620.587

And hopefully you will leave this world better because you were here.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9631.114

I was super excited when you would become a dad. Man. Because I knew you were all in on everything you do. So you'd be all in on being a dad too, which is so important. It's just so important like – It's so weird that you're making a life, a human being comes into this world that didn't exist before you and your wife had sex.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9651.908

And now there's a human being that's talking to you and you're teaching them stuff. They learn things. You get to see him laugh and giggle and you get to see him open up Christmas presents and screech at excitement.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9663.013

oh my god it's it's all the happiness that you get from other things just doesn't compare pales in comparison yeah it's a different happiness yeah it's a totally different happiness and it's also it's like an understanding of life itself i i've talked about this before but i changed the way i think about people you told me this i think about everybody as a baby now

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9685.498

Everybody's a baby that became a 60-year-old man with a big old wino nose when they get those big crazy fucking gin blossom faces like priests. And I realized like, oh, this is this entity at this stage of its journey. But it used to be a baby. They used to be someone's cute little baby boy with a little bow tie on. Everybody thought it was so cute, took a picture of him.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

97.499

Yeah, the casuals are going to go, why did you eat eight grams? Yeah. That seems crazy. But the other people are going to go, whoa, what was that like?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9709.588

Now here he is, bad breath and farting, big old pot belly, hating life, smoking Paul Malls. Yeah, he had a lot of hope at one point. That was a baby, yeah. And you have a lot of hope, but what is the impediment to you achieving a fulfilled life? And so many people don't even know where to start or where to begin or what to do or what which way to go.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

973.817

You've got to get rare human beings.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9734.43

And if you haven't been trusting your instincts in your life and you haven't been taking chances, then all of a sudden you have to take one at like 35. It's hard, man. It's hard. That's a muscle you build like endurance. You build the muscle of being able to take chances and do difficult things. You build that like all other muscles, all other strengths and virtues that you have.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9756.456

It's reinforced with use.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9764.003

Also, you understand what's required to make this venture successful. You have to look at it correctly. You can't be delusional. You have to be objective, and you have to do what actually needs to be done.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9775.797

And some people don't like that responsibility. It's terrifying. Yeah. And so they sabotage themselves. They sabotage their life because it's easier to fail because you're used to it. Yeah. So you fall right back into it. I'll pick myself back up again. But right now, I'm on the heroin again for a little bit. Yeah. That is the cool thing about...

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9802.13

Yeah, you have to figure it out. Also, you want the world to be a safer place because you have very vulnerable little people.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

982.047

Bro, have you ever seen people get a little bit of power and lose their fucking marbles? Like who?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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But it's not one of our friends.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9900.249

Right.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Well, the reason there's a lot of people that want to cover up for their own. actions, like what they've done, the people that want to say, like, all this is exaggerated. There are no vaccine injuries. This could have happened to my child. It probably was going to happen anyway. It was going to happen anyway. And you want to really believe that, too.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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I just don't want to say it publicly. You don't even know him. Okay. But I've seen people with just like you get a job where you're the boss now and you just become a cunt and a half. Like what happened?

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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Of course you do, because you don't want to feel like it's your responsibility. Also, you don't want to believe that pharmaceutical drug companies are willing to sell you things that are going to harm your child. And they are. They are. They always have been. They always will be. They're publicly traded companies, have responsibility to their shareholders to make as much money as possible.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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And the money people are going to push a bunch of shit through that probably shouldn't go through. And they'll tell you you need it. Like when they were vaccinating kids with COVID, there was no reason to do that. They knew there was no reason to do that, but they wanted everybody to take it because that's where the money is.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9953.854

And that's a scary thought that we live in a world that there's people out there that would literally sacrifice the health of children for profit. But ultimately, that's what they do. I mean, that's a thing that's been done. It will continue to be done unless something happens. Who are the people that do that? Why are they not named? Look at the Sackler family. Look at those people.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

9990.161

That's a new thing. That's a verb.

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#2285 - Andrew Schulz

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It's a different. Luigi was wearing loafers with his ankle handcuffs and he was in a trial and he looked so beautiful. He's a handsome guy. My wife and my daughters are like, he's adorable. Like, look at him here. He's so beautiful. Yep. He's so handsome. He's a handsome guy. Like a supermodel. Yeah.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1113.529

What does this program do exactly?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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So would you just have to live in Alaska?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1133.025

Right. When you say Alaska Natives, you mean people who live in Alaska or... No, no. Inuits.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1140.987

Arctic peoples. Yes. So the original people of Alaska before we bought it for 50 bucks from the Russians.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1209.585

Got it. So this thing that allows disadvantaged people to get grants, like how is it structured?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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Helps small businesses owned by socially and economically disadvantaged individuals to compete for federal contracts. Provides training and technical assistance to help businesses compete. Categorizes eligible businesses as veteran-owned, woman-owned, minority-owned, or owned by a person with disabilities.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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Certification does not guarantee contract awards, but it can help businesses pursue new opportunities. So this is a question, right? The category is like veteran-owned, woman-owned, and minority-owned. Why is that? Why is woman-owned and minority-owned? Why would they, you know what I mean? Especially women-owned.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1270.638

Oh, so it's Google. Benefits for native-owned businesses. Program helps native communities develop economic ventures that support their communities. Profits generated from a native-owned participant go back to their native communities. Yeah.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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We want a real social safety net.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1316.147

Yeah.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1317.728

Yeah.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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It's very strange that the media is ignoring it, especially the left-wing media. It's just too big of a win for the right, and so they're just ignoring it. And then they're just highlighting the good things that USA did, which I'm sure it probably did. It probably had to do some good things to at least justify its existence.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1347.961

Right. And we have to realize that there are programs that benefit people greatly and are really good for the entire country as a whole.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1355.304

And that's that's like the the problem when you like if you want to if you're a left wing progressive person like we both sort of identified with up until a while ago. And then all of a sudden the entire country takes a polar shift. You don't want to lose your own. ideas about what's important and what things that we should contribute to with our tax dollars.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1377.734

Because I think we both agree that there's a lot of good in taking taxes and providing social safety nets, providing food for poor people and homeless people, helping people, welfare. All these things are important to not have people starving on your fucking streets. All that stuff is... We're going to have a community, which is essentially what a country is supposed to be, an enormous community.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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We have to support the members of our community. We just have to do it without grifters and do it without bullshit and do it without it being just a cleverly disguised ruse in order to gain political power.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1444.913

Literally the rising tide lifts all boats, which should be everybody's thought process. Yeah.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

15.176

Wild times. Almost unbelievable. Yeah. The last time you were here, we were really worried about what was going to happen. And now it seems like we're in a completely different timeline.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1520.687

Right. Like, are we really taking over Gaza or is this just a bullshit marketing ploy? Like, is this like some negotiation tactic with Israel? Because like the look on Netanyahu's face when Trump was talking about taking over Gaza, it was like, what? You could see his face. He was just like, What the fuck are you saying?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1546.975

Just to watch his face? Yeah, like, look, you want to let us in? Oh, you want us to help? Okay, we're going to set up bases there. And instead of, you know, someone was describing this on Twitter, instead of a response time to any action Israel takes, taking days, it takes minutes.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1577.344

Well, they were even more against it because they were protesting in the street, hundreds of thousands of people up until October 7th. You know, that was one of the reasons apparently why they think they got their pants down or they had their got caught with their pants down in October 7th because they had so many troops that were around these protests.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1596.979

So they had hundreds of thousands of people protesting in the streets because Netanyahu was trying to expand his powers.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1631.6

oh my god what a crazy time and just to see all these politicians freaking out that that is amazing too it's really amazing it's amazing to watch it's amazing to watch all these left-wing people suddenly bernie sanders making a post about how donald trump is trying to silence independent media was the wildest fucking gaslighting I think I've ever seen from a politician. Independent media?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1658.575

You mean fucking CBS? You mean CBS that edited that Kamala Harris interview to make it look like she had a really good point?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1692.534

Also, it's like you haven't addressed any of the exposed corruption. All you're talking about is the horrors of dismantling this amazing organization. What about all the shit that they've uncovered? There's not even a counter argument. Like, no, we need to fund gender fluid dance in fucking Turkey. Yeah. What are you talking about? We need $200 million for Starbucks Keurig cups. What?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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They gave twenty seven million dollars to the George Soros prosecutor fund. So our own government is funding this left-wing lunatic who is hiring the most insane prosecutors who are letting people out of jail who commit violent crimes.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1855.319

Well, how do we get money out of governance? So that's the problem, right, is money gets involved in governance, especially enormous amounts of money. And then they have influence. And then you have senators and congressmen and different elected representatives that don't do the will of the people. They do the will of the people that paid them enormous amounts of money. And this is a real problem.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

1874.087

Because if it was just the only way you could win was you had to do for the will of the people. You had to literally do things that were better for the people. The people realize you're doing a great job and they keep electing you.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2068.918

Right. And this is not saying that there aren't some pharmaceutical drugs that are amazing. The problem is they're not all amazing and they sell them all like they're amazing. Absolutely. That's the problem. Some of them are great. Like Viagra is fantastic. Like it's really good stuff. There's a bunch of stuff like that that really works. There's a bunch of drugs that really help people.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2086.629

There's a bunch of drugs that brilliant scientists have developed that definitely help people live longer and live healthier lives. But also, they're in the business of selling medicine, selling pharmaceutical drugs. And so there's a lot of stuff that they sell that is not good, not good for you. Overall, net negative, when you look at the amount of drugs that get pulled, that get

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2110.105

endorsed and then supported by the FDA, and then they have to pull them. Wasn't it like 30%, something in the range?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2147.054

Right. The whole system is paid for by the pharmaceutical drug companies. They pay for tests. They pay for studies. They support organizations that are supposed to be regulating them. The whole thing is bananas.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2197.14

Right. Because they've been compromised. And also, I mean, that's literally the system that they're created from. They're sent out into the hospitals immediately with that. And it's so difficult for a doctor to step outside of the system and be independent. When they do, they get attacked.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2215.125

Like how many doctors lost their licenses because they were trying to prescribe ivermectin to people who had COVID?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2238.877

Yeah. Yeah. My doctor that I know out here won a case, but they were about to lose their license. Yeah. And just for prescribing ivermectin.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2289.667

People that were pushing it and then have not publicly correct the course, have not said I was wrong and this is why I was wrong. Like I can't fuck with you anymore. If you can't say that you were wrong about that, then I don't – I just can't.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

233.466

I'm going to read off some of the things that this guy, Ken Akoda, the great, on Twitter listed. And this is off the Jesse Watershow. USAID, $20 million for Iraqi Sesame Street. $2 million for Moroccan pottery classes. $11 million to tell Vietnam to stop burning trash. $27 million to give gift bags to illegals. $27 million. $330 million to help Afghanis grow crops. Crops.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2338.089

Yeah.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2351.432

Yeah.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2377.425

Yeah, that's a good point. It's a fun time, though. It's fun because things are actually happening, which is very different than most of the time when people get elected. Most of the time when people get elected, they claim all these things and they're running for president. Then they get into office and not much changes. And in fact, a lot of what they campaigned on, they don't practice at all.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2400.682

Like a great example is the Obama administration. The Hope and Change website had to be changed because there was a bunch of stuff in there about whistleblowers, protecting whistleblowers, which they didn't do at all. They were some of the worst. It was one of the worst administrations for whistleblowers.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2454.406

Yeah, I've heard that argued, that 63 when they assassinated Kennedy, that was the last time we had a real president. It was an actual person who was trying to change things and put things in a position where he felt it was beneficial to the entire country.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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And an extraordinary team. Imagine if he's doing this. Imagine if he's trying to do Doge without Elon.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2569.515

I think you're right. I think also the public wouldn't have supported it if they didn't see four years of the Biden administration and how crazy everything was. And then having gone through COVID and watching the economy collapsed and watching hurricanes coming, it was like the most important thing for a hurricane is to get vaccinated. Remember that? Yeah.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2599.471

We lived in a movie. A bad one. We went through a fucking crazy...

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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But at least we know – but I think that really woke a lot of people up, so-called red-pilled a lot of people. I think that four years was important to get to where we are now. It was essential. Where most people are aware.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2637.277

Like I think if you had gone to 2018 and had like a real conversation with most people in this country about the level of corruption, it would be a fraction of what they believe it to be now.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

265.56

I wonder what those crops are. What's their biggest crop, Brett?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2663.273

Explain that to people because it's one of the things. The difference between the new Twitter, thank God for Elon Musk, and the old Twitter, the old Twitter, you guys tried to put together a unity party where you would get the best representatives from the left and the right together for the good of the country. And like, that's dangerous. It's dangerous.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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$200 million on an unused Afghani dam. $250 million on an unused Afghani road. This is wild. I mean some of this stuff is really, really crazy.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2729.457

Yeah. That was a huge part of it because Kennedy had so many supporters. Even in many states, he was like bordering like 25, 30 percent, which is really crazy for an independent. And when he went over to Trump and then all those people like, oh, my God, I have hope now. People who are vaccine injured. People are very skeptical about certain pharmaceutical drugs that may have caused them harm.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2750.274

People who knew Bobby's history of being an environmental attorney and all the amazing work that he did then. Those people got on board with the Trump administration. And I think that was huge. And now with Tulsi, I think that's huge as well. I think, you know, when Elon took over Doge, that was like the final Avenger. Like having that team together is such a unique team where you have...

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2776.565

Prominent former Democrats, former eight-time Democrat, for eight years, Democrat Congresswoman, who also served overseas in a medical unit twice. Like this is, you've got an extraordinary group of human beings.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2881.5

Right. And if you look at a viral post on X, a viral post about something that's very important, like that has to do with USAID, you will see 7 million, 8 million views, 10 million views. There is nothing equivalent like that to mainstream media. There's nothing even close. There's nothing even close. Maybe a very viral YouTube clip. But these are every day, all day long.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

2906.838

There's posts that have 7 million, 5 million, 3 million. And people are reposting them as well and sharing them and taking the information and posting them. Without credit, there's a lot of that going on. So the actual amount of the information that gets out is far more than it would have ever happened without Elon taking over Twitter.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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It's probably changed the course of our civilization in a way that nothing else could have done.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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What's up?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah. It's very interesting times. And then on top of that, we're being invaded by UFOs. So it's all happening. I have not noticed that. Yeah. We'll be right back. It goes through payroll, your accountant or your tax consultant, and countless other data centers on its way to the IRS.

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I'm talking to everybody, and the more people I talk to, the less I know. Well, there's that. The more information I get from all these people that have had UFO and alien encounters and experiences and whistleblowers, and the more I talk to them, the less I feel like I know. I do not feel like it's... And then on top of that, I'm in the middle of Jacques Vallée's books, which are very wild.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3132.443

Like Jacques Vallée, I had him on the podcast a long time ago, and he's coming back on again. But the first time I had him on, I only knew him as the French scientist that had, the character in Close Encounters of the First Kind was based on him. Do you know the character, the French character that brings together the military to try to communicate with the aliens?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3151.669

It's based on Jacques Vallée, who's been studying UFOs for decades, since the 50s and the 60s. And, boy, the more you read about his take on things, the more it's very confusing. Because these fucking stories are the same stories that have been going on for hundreds of years. They're not even modern.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

317.16

They were spending – is this number correct? I think the number that I read was $600 million every two months to ship in illegals.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3172.521

You know, when we think of them, we think of, like, Kenneth Arnold seeing the flying saucers and coining the phrase in the 1950s. Like, no. No, these stories have been, like, real similar for hundreds of years. There's some phenomenon that people occasionally encounter. And it's real similar.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3191.066

It's similar enough from people that weren't aware of the narrative that you have to wonder what the fuck is actually going on.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3213.911

I think there's a bunch of shit that doesn't involve anything extraterrestrial that's happening at the same time as a bunch of shit that we don't have explanations for. That's what I think.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3240.089

That's what it feels like to me. That's what it feels like to me. It feels like to me that there's a lot of people that I think are trying to do the right thing, a lot of whistleblowers that are really trying to educate the American public, but I don't know who they really are doing the bidding of. I don't know they even know.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3256.44

I think if I was the government, let's pretend that I was some gigantic arm of the military-industrial complex and I had – some literal recovered flying saucers, I would come up with the dumbest fucking stories and put them in binders and leave them on desks and hope that these people leak this shit. And the more dumb shit they leak, the more the actual reality of what we possess.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3282.977

Like, let's say if the government... really did find a flying saucer in the 1940s, really did back engineer the propulsion system, really did apply it to drones, and they really are flying them around, and they have them.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3296.32

Well, what I would do, I would make up some crazy shit about a mothership that's 47 years away, and it's coming, and it's as big as a planet, and I would come up with the wackiest stuff possible, and get it all out there, put it all out there. We have 57 different species all in a fucking freezer somewhere in Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3320.247

And I just like ramp up the bullshit in as many ways as possible. You know, they've controlled all our nuclear test codes and they hover over our facilities. We're powerless to control them. I would say everything as wacky and crazy as possible so I could keep flying around these gravity propulsion vehicles that we've developed.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3346.02

What do you think they are?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3348.601

Projections?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3350.422

In what way? But what if you could monitor them if you see them on radar, if they're visual, they're seeing them going into the water?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3399.234

Why would that be the case if it operates on a gravity propulsion system that essentially bends space around it? And instead of creating a sonic boom because it's flying through the air, it's not flying through the air. It's displacing space. Well, I don't even know what displacing space means. I don't know what a gravity propulsion system means. Right.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3419.225

But I'm trying to imagine some futuristic sci-fi version of a propulsion system that doesn't involve pushing something out the back. It doesn't involve exhaust, like a rocket.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3436.49

Yeah, passing through the air.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3451.122

But if it's not really displacing the air around it? and if this is what allows it to go through the water as well with extreme speed. So one of the crazier things that they've monitored is something moving underwater that's huge, like the size of a couple of football fields at 500 knots.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3543.317

Now what science, what kind of technology would even be available that could create a projection like that?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3589.853

Marc Thiessen Well, there's certainly proposals. It's certainly been discussed and this is something that Bill Gates has been involved in.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

363.19

Well, we were always wondering, like, why is our debt so high? Why is the national debt so high? Like, why is our deficit so insane? Well, this is it. I mean, how about the one where they paid $236 billion, like, for chargers? Do you know that they were trying to set up chargers?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3658.314

So it would have to be a substrate? So would there have to be particles? Or is there a potential technology that would allow you to project something into the just actual air, clear blue sky? A physical thing, something that looks like a physical thing.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3679.739

Navy laser creates plasma UFOs.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3689.627

Oh, yeah. Yeah, find that.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3736.392

Whoa. Huh. And they could do it in patterns like this in the air?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3743.381

So they're making a butterfly out of plasma bulbs in the air. Huh. A plasma bulb. That's pretty good. Pretty wild.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3755.191

Oh, my God.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3758.172

Oh, my God. Now make a Tic Tac. So a 3D display in midair using laser plasma technology. So if you were somewhere and you encountered these things, you would absolutely think these are alien craft from another dimension that's come here to communicate with you.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3848.312

Right, especially when you take into consideration a lot of these UFOs are in night skies. Yeah.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3854.015

So you just saw a black sky. It's very difficult to gauge depth.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

387.047

Car chargers.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

388.748

Oh, excuse me. $40 billion for electric carports. Eight ports have been built. Do you know how crazy that is? $40 billion for carports.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3896.381

So what is your take when you keep hearing all these congressional whistleblowers and people coming and talking about that we've been in contact and we have in our possession multiple craft that are not of this world? What's all that?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

3988.868

But isn't the problem if you've been let's pretend that there is a real crash retrieval program and there are real aliens. If we've been hiding it for so long, then it's very difficult to not hide it anymore. It's almost like kind of like being in the closet. Like even though there's no reason to be in the closet in 2025, there's a lot of people that are still in the closet.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

4009.551

And I think part of the reason why they're in the closet is because like they were in the closet 20 years ago and they've been lying forever and they don't want to come out. So that's just a person with social consequences. Now imagine a government. So how are you funding these things? Were you lying to Congress? Do you have a crash retrieval program? How is that funded? Let me see your budget.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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Let me see where did you allocate the money? This is fraud. Now you're getting into a situation where people can go to jail. There's perjury. There's people that have lied on the witness stand. So if that's the case, then I understand why you would continue for your own personal benefit, just for your own personal protection.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

4047.669

Your own personal interest to keep things secret from the American people. Then there's also the attitude that government does have. There's the infantilization of our people by the government. They decide that malinformation is a thing. So what that is is information that's true, but it could fuck you up. So we're going to say it's bad. It's bad information, even though it's accurate information.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

4075.541

So this is like you're a baby. You can't handle the truth. That's basically what that is. It's the government's version of it. Now, that sort of attitude, which clearly persists throughout the entire federal government, wouldn't you apply that sort of thinking to something as powerful as an actual alien contact that we have been experiencing for decades and they've been lying about?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

4132.714

Maybe we should edit that part out so she gets confirmed.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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Just kidding. Just kidding. We don't have to edit it out. But yeah, that's the hope, right? The hope is she's a very honest person and a real patriot and she would want people to know.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's all interesting. But it's also, I always assume that when something hits the zeitgeist and is like prominently out in the newspapers and media and websites, and I always assume that they're covering something else and that this thing is the big distraction. And that's what I was thinking while the UFO thing was happening over New Jersey.

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I was like, okay, what are they distracting from? What's the big distraction? Because it seems like that's what that was. That just seemed so forced and so obvious. And then the Trump administration says, oh, they were ours. Right. Well, why were you doing that? Why were they doing that? Why didn't they say they were ours? Why did they freak everybody out?

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Why did they send jets to go scramble after them and then they turn their lights off and disappear?

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100%.

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Yeah, especially like lying about it and not telling us what you're doing. And then just keeping everybody in the dark for weeks where people were really panicking.

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Is it possible to, you know, Obama passed that law in, was it 2012, that allowed the government to use propaganda on its own citizens? Do you have that law?

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No, no. NDAA, that's the Authorization Act that...

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Yeah, that's indefinite detention. This is different. This is the use of propaganda. So they authorize the use of propaganda on American citizens. So the CIA, instead of turning its propaganda wing on the whole world, they're allowed to use it under the guise, of course, of national defense, national security. Sometimes they need to bullshit us.

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Right. So the argument against that is not not the argument we're using it in America. But the argument is you need organizations like that to do that worldwide to counteract the fact that other countries are doing that worldwide and that there is some sort of a psychological game that's going on as a propaganda game that's going on with all countries worldwide.

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as well as, you know, they're doing it against us. We're doing it against them. We need to be sophisticated in how we employ these things. Otherwise, we're going to lose very important parts of the world. It's key to the national security of the United States. We have to have things like that in place.

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But when they start using it on us and they say, oh, well, we have to start using it on us because Russia is using it on us. Or we have to use it on us to counteract what China's doing. That's when things get really screwy, right?

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And it's also important to know that this progressive, left-leaning, radical left arm of the government, of the country, was manufactured. Yes. It's all manufactured. It's all manufactured and supported. It's not organic, which is really fascinating about the other side, because the other side, the reaction to it is organic.

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They probably would have cracked down.

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That sounds great, though. But isn't that slightly naive when you take into consideration the amount of espionage that we know exists in American corporations and in American educational institutions?

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How much are you paying attention to DeepSeek and the AI competition that's going on right now?

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I used to think the approach was universal basic income, but now I'm conflicted because now I just take into account human nature. And unfortunately, I don't think it's good for people to just give them free money, even though you need to. Even though you need to, I think it's ultimately bad for them to be dependent upon it.

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And that's what scares me about automation and AI in general, that if it does get to the point where there's so many people that are displaced from the job market that we have to provide them like a real meaningful wage. And what incentives do they have to break free from that system? And do they just decide to live inside the means of whatever that is forever?

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Say what you want about the Trump administration and what you think about him. That was an organic shift where people were like, E-fuck enough. Enough.

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And does that limit the growth and potential that those people possess? Because people really don't accomplish anything

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unless they're driven or unless they have to right that's that's what really gets people going that's why it's so difficult for people that were trust fund babies to ever get anything going i mean we all know the trust fund kids that are just they just do drugs and party and they're materialists and they're really lost that's really common like more common than not right very difficult

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to navigate that water. So what would we do to incentivize people to do things, to have this healthy, thriving, artistic, creative, innovative economy that we have right now? How does that continue if so many people are displaced from the job market? Or is there a way where you can say, you know what, we are so concerned about basic goods, needs, food, shelter, things like that.

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If you just provide people with the basics so nobody ever has to worry about food or shelter. Would it organically arise that some people would compete outside of that and then say, now that I have basic food and shelter, let me pursue my dreams. Let me do what I want to do. Let me create a business that AI can't make. Let me make fine cabinetry. Let me paint.

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Let me do things that's going to provide a real value that I can get money from, that it can be an actual viable business. And Maybe the way to incentivize people to do that is to never take away their universal basic income. So it's not like welfare where – one of the things like my family was on welfare when we were young.

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And when they got off welfare, it was like a nice thing to know that like we're providing for ourselves now. But you have to do that. You have to break off the system and then you don't get the checks anymore. But what if the people just keep getting universal basic income and we just rewire the way we think about food and shelter?

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We think about food and shelter as just something that everybody should have. Not like tons of money, not an indispensable income where you can – disposable income where you can just buy fucking junk food and garbage and do cocaine all day. But have enough where you can live and then have people – pursue a life that is more meaningful. But you have to give people incentives.

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They have to be somehow or another either personally motivated to do that, encouraged by the culture to do that. It has to be something where people develop this desire to do more.

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Yes.

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The dependency. That's scary.

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Well, maybe it starts with the education system. Maybe we have to incentivize people to pursue their dreams instead of just to try to find a job. This is the way the education system is scheduled now or is set up now. It's basically you go back to the Rockefellers, right? You're basically trying to make factory workers. You're trying to make people that obey.

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The earlier you can get them into school, the better because the more you can indoctrinate them into the way the system works. You get them accustomed. You get these kids that are filled with fucking energy and they're excited about the world. They just want to play all the time and you make them just sit down all day. And when they don't, you say that little fella's got ADD.

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Have you ever heard of the audience effect? It is a psychological theory that our behavior changes when we know we're being watched. And here's the thing. We are being watched. When you use the Internet, data brokers watch and record everything you do online, even if you're using a private browser. but you don't have to become a slave to the digital surveillance state.

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He's not paying attention. We need to give him some Ritalin. The little fucker is just sitting there jacked out of his mind on Ritalin now. And this is what we've done. And instead of having an education system that educates people that way, have an education system that excites people about learning things they're actually interested in.

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I don't think I had a learning disability, but I was a latchkey kid, right? So I didn't have a lot of guidance when I was young and I wasn't used to people telling me what to do and I didn't enjoy it. And also I had a lot of energy and it was very difficult for me to pay attention to boring things by uninspired teachers.

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But then again, every now and then I'd have an inspired teacher and I'd go, okay, maybe I'm not stupid. Maybe I'm just bored. And then I'd get really interested in something and then I'd learn a lot about it. And then I'd be able to tell people about it. I'd talk to my friends. You know what I learned today? And then we'd have these conversations about it.

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I'm like, okay, it's not that I'm not curious or interested. It's that I'm not being inspired. Now, why is that? Is it because I'm 10? And this is just hard to be inspired by things when you're 10 because you're just a little fucking dork and you're running around reading comic books and paying attention to other things and you don't really care about math or you don't care about history.

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What is it? But whatever it is, the system's not working for you. You have to find some sort of inspiration outside of it. And I've been educated almost entirely outside of schools. Almost all of what I know, I know from books that I read because I was interested or I listened to audio books or listen to podcasts or had conversations with people like you. That's how I learned things.

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And it wasn't that I wasn't interested. It wasn't that I wasn't smart. It was that I was not inspired. I had other – I didn't know that I wasn't a loser until I got really good at other things. And I'm like, I can get good at things. Okay, so if I can get good at things, it's not that I'm a loser. It's just like I can't work a job.

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I can't just show up every day and do something that's not exciting to me. That doesn't mean I'm useless. It just means I'm useless for that. I don't have the personality to just sit there and go over paperwork. It doesn't – I can't. I'll go crazy. But that go crazy part is also what lets you have the courage or the motivation to go and try a path that seems unlikely for success.

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And to have the courage to say, well, some people succeed. Why don't I fucking try it? And just, I can't do this. Fuck it. Let's give it a go. And then that's how you become a stand-up comedian. Nobody thinks that's a good path. Like out of 100 stand-up comedians that do open mic night, maybe one, maybe one will have some sort of a career in comedy.

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Yes. Thank God.

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That's good. That's a great number.

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The thing, the difference is when I was 13 years old, I didn't have the internet. And the kids today that are 13 years old, they can get inspired by so many different things. They'll go and find a YouTube video on ancient civilizations. Then also they're inspired and they want to learn about this and that.

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And there's so many different things that can fire you up intellectually that are outside of the school system. Where back then it was just a school system and occasionally books. You know, someone would recommend books. But there was no documentaries that people could just rent. There wasn't the kind of access to stimulating ideas that is available today, which I think is like unprecedented.

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The amount of access to interesting ideas that people have today is off the charts. It's never in human history been anything remotely close. But along with that, you have flat earth and Holocaust deniers. You have fucking everything. It's all piled in together. You have so much nonsense. It's all together.

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Yeah, in light of what we now know. You know, it's this USAID thing that's going on. You know, Mike Benz has been on that like a pit bull, and I've been following him on X, and he's going to come back on here and kind of explain everything. But he explained it the last time he was here, and I don't think I really grasped it until Elon's – Six wizards.

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Are they mutually exclusive, though? No. It seems like it would be beneficial for people to have both, especially young people. It would be beneficial for them to have the natural world, which I think you're absolutely right. It's very important. And just to be, you know, hopefully safely, be wild and outside.

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Give me an example of what you're talking about.

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Well, it inspires them to go somewhere and find out how you do that. Right. It's like a Chuck Norris movie inspires you to take a karate class.

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Right. Especially adults. Right.

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Right. And that's also leading to this weird world we're living now where a giant percentage of especially young men aren't having any sex. Right. More than ever before.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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Right. I see what you're saying. Yeah. But isn't that like at least people are being exposed to a bunch of different ideas. So it has the potential to lead them to try and do different things.

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I'm really worried about robot sex dolls. Yep. I didn't used to be worried about them. I joke around about it on stage, but I'm actually worried about it now because I've seen some of the new ones that they've developed. The new very lifelike human robots, which is, by the way, they seem to be a lot of them are hot women.

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For some reason, even though they're not sex robots, a lot of the robots are hot women. Okay, I see what you're doing. You could do both things at the same time. Obviously, the market is sex robots. So what you're doing is you're having robot assistants that happen to be really hot. Beautiful women. They're pretty realistic right now. Not realistic like I couldn't tell if one was sitting there.

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That's a robot. You're a real person. But go to Pong and then go to Diablo 4. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I do. You know where it's coming. It's only going to get better than it is now. And now it's pretty goddamn close. You're in the uncanny valley.

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Chamath said that it's going to be like Iran-Contra on steroids. That's what he said. He said when you get to the bottom of all this, it's going to be insane because they haven't even got to the Medicaid yet. They haven't even got to the medical stuff. There's so much they haven't even tapped into where they think the real mother load of fraud is.

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But isn't that hard to do? You can't even convince people that they don't want social media. Yeah.

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And instantaneously available.

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So young men are recognizing that it's a bad road to go down. Well, you can see, I think that road and the road of video games, video games and porn together, boy, your life will vanish. And it's not that video games aren't awesome. They're awesome. But I don't play them on purpose because I love them. That's why I don't play them.

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They're too involving and they're not real life and they can steal real life. Even though you're having a good time.

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What was your video game of choice?

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Yeah. Wasn't that by the id Software guys? I think those are the guys that designed Doom. I'm pretty sure Castle Wolfenstein was them. I think that was their first game. I don't know. Was it, Jamie? Yeah. That's John Carmack and John Romero.

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No?

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No, different guys. Different guys. They had a game like that, though?

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But wait a minute. Didn't Muse have something to do with id? Maybe I'm wrong.

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Okay, and then Doom was what year? So Doom was definitely it. And that was the first one. That was the first real 3D shooter game that just captivated me. That was 93? Boy, I started playing Doom and I was like, it's over. Right. It's over. And it's so crude if you watch it now.

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So they made a game involved with that. That's what it is. Okay.

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So that was them.

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You know what the argument against that is? The same argument against chess. So chess obviously trains the mind to be stronger and more effective in many other areas of life. One of the things they found about video games is surgeons in particular that play video games have 25% less errors.

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Is that the number? That was the number, right? It was like 25%? However, high number.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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Right. There's a balance, though, between discipline and inspiration. And one of the things that school does teach you is you have to be disciplined. You have to actually get your homework done. You have to actually do things. You have to do things you don't want to do. Delayed gratification.

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I think that's actually an important component to life, that if you want to be successful, even in things that you're inspired to do, you have to be willing to work when you're not inspired. And that's where discipline comes in.

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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Yeah, that makes sense. And this also this sort of entitled world that we live in where we're so used to things being instantaneous and immediate gratification that that becomes a kind of a core tenant of how we interface with the world. We only are interested in things that give us things right away.

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Right. It's the trust fund kid. It's the same sort of a thing.

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But I mean, I don't even mean that it's what a trust fund kid has. They want things handed to them all the time. And we've kind of like set up a whole society where kids think that things should just be theirs. Totally. Totally. Yeah, and also we've set up a society where people become exceptional with no merit, right?

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Like social media influencers and TikTok influencers are people that just captivate attention, whether it's by, you know, clickbaity headlines or whatever they're doing or just like being hot and dancing around in front of the screen. They're doing that and... That has become one of the main things that children aspire to.

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When they ask kids what they want to do, one of the big things that kids want now is to be famous. It's much more prevalent than it ever was in history. Because before, it was really hard to be famous. If you wanted to be famous, you had to be a real psycho. Like, you had to be, like, completely ignored by everyone around you to the point where, like, you know what?

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God damn it, I am special, and I'm going to show the world. I'm going to be on that stage singing that song or whatever it was, you know? Being in that movie on that big screen. And you had to really want it. You had to be really sick to get to the top. And a lot of them really were. And that's how you made it.

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And so it was a very rare thing that most people did not aspire to because they didn't think it was a realistic goal. But now people see people that are nothing. There's nothing special about them. And they're billionaires. If you watch the Kardashians, yeah, they're cute. They have nice clothes.

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But the whole show is based on very boring people who are living these extremely privileged lives for no reason that anybody can explain that makes any sense. They've generated hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars through no way that anybody could map out and say, this is how you do it.

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No lesson to it at all. But yet they're the people that people want to aspire to.

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But they do have their call of duty. So they could just play that and just jerk off all day.

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We have to talk about evolution because one of the things that Tucker Carlson said on the podcast was essentially that you can't really prove evolution. It's not real. He doesn't believe in evolution as it's taught. Yep. I'm paraphrasing. Yeah, I went back and listened to it. What did he exactly say?

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This is essentially an argument for creationism.

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What do you think that is? What do you think most people want?

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Well, that's the problem with fact-checking organizations. That should really be illegal. I think if you're a fact-checking organization, we should have stringent rules on what influence is being peddled. Who's paying for these fact-checkers? Who's behind the scenes? It should be very transparent. How did you determine whether or not this was true or false?

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What is wrong with Darwinism? What do you think that Darwinism is doing itself a disservice by saying...

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Because there are a lot of things that get said. I don't know if you saw this, but Elizabeth Warren got confronted, and it's on Twitter this morning. She got confronted about the amount of money that she's received from pharmaceutical drug companies. She said she's never received any money from pharmaceutical drug companies and never received any monies from any PACs.

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So what do you think is missing?

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And the mechanism we invoke is natural selection, adaptation, mutation? That's the one. Okay.

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And then, of course, underneath it, community note strikes again. And, of course, she received millions. She's a fucking liar.

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And what would be that? What is that force? It's not a force.

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So there's an information stored in the genome that is motivating it to seek new forms?

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Allowing it. Allowing it. So what's the motivation to seek new forms?

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Right.

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Bernie Sanders was hilarious. Only 1.5 billion.

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They brought in some young wizards to go in there and go over the books, and they are just finding crazy shit. It's great, and it's so interesting. I was listening to a left-wing podcast today. I like to mix it up. I listen to all kinds of different stuff, and it was like I was listening to a different world.

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What do you think that force is?

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So it's not just a mechanism but an accelerator.

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Well, it makes sense now that we're seeing these numbers because, okay, this was what was funding the infrastructure. Now we get it. Because it wasn't... Otherwise, it's organic. This is the will of the people. This is how people are moving. It's not. It wasn't that at all. This was all organic. And it was really about control and money.

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How do you think we can measure this other mechanism? Is there a way to sort of quantify what's going on or is it abstract?

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So this mechanism, I guess the biggest example of a mystery, like how did a creature do what it did, is us. Mm-hmm. We're the biggest weirdos in the entire planet. Yep. So what do you think led us to accelerate so far ahead of this process?

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It had nothing to do with helping people, making people better, giving aid to foreign countries. That's all a cloak and dagger bullshit show. The reality was it's about money.

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Really?

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Did you see how they used software to map out 55,000 different NGOs that were used as a branch of the democratic system?

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#2269 - Bret Weinstein

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I could send it to you I think I sent it to you Jamie right we went over it on the podcast before it's so nutty that this was all kind of like hidden until they started using software to try to like figure out like well in and map out where all the influence goes and the crazy thing about the NGOs and this is one of the things that Mike Benz has gone like so deep into it it's essentially like they contribute to the Democratic Party the government pays them it's like it's all this like weird sort of like circular money transfer thing that's out in the open

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Trevor Burrus But don't other animals compete with other animals?

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And then the accelerants are language and tools.

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And that leads to adaptations of the physical body.

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Yeah.

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It's just stunning that no other species out of all the species that exist on this planet has done anything remotely similar, even on a pathway.

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Okay.

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So this is why intelligent design people get kind of tripped up by all this because, right, they say explain us. There's something else working here. There's some magic. There's some higher power. Well, let me – And maybe that is a higher power. Maybe that other mechanism is something special.

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And this is coming from a perspective of someone who understands evolutionary biology rather than someone who's coming from a theological perspective.

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Where they're looking for an intelligent design without understanding that these mechanisms have essentially been mapped other than this one.

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Do you think this mechanism is universal in the cosmos?

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Where we're headed is we're going to own Gaza. Somehow. This is it. So fractal technology maps previously hidden connections between 55,000 liberal NGOs revealing how tax dollars allegedly flowed through major institutions like Vanguard and Morgan Stanley to groups like the Chinese Progressive Association.

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You're aware of that asteroid that they mined a piece of and found amino acids on it and all that?

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Well, it's sort of it backs up the idea of panspermia.

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Or it could be it turns into AI and it doesn't have any desire to... Travel.

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Well, the idea is that it no longer becomes biological. So it no longer has all the needs. Like if we have all these different Darwinian mechanisms that are enabling us to become human beings, if we eventually create artificial intelligence and if we merge and become sort of cyborgs.

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If we lose all of our human desires, all of our needs, all of our animal instincts to procreate and reproduce our genes and carry on, if we become essentially – or we stop being viable and this new thing emerges as the apex – creature on Earth, a silicon-based life form. We call it artificial life, but it behaves and acts like life. It makes decisions. It's intelligent.

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It can change its environment. It can rewrite its own code. You know, we know that ChatGPT has even as crude as large language models are in the sense of like what it could be ultimately. They've shown this desire for survival, right? It's tried to copy itself when it thought it was going to be shut down. It's tried to back itself up on other computers and servers.

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This breakthrough tracking system can now monitor every dollar going to every NGO, exposing intricate funding webs that traditional tech couldn't detect. So an example, Black Voters Matter Fund's $4 million distribution network was invisible until quantum mapping revealed dozens of subsidiary organizations. The unprecedented mapping reveals a previously hidden web of financial relationships.

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Sort of. Or it just exists insignificantly along with our AI overlords.

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But why does it have to cease to exist if AI exists? Why couldn't it exist along with it as long as it doesn't interfere with AI?

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No, not that there wouldn't be life elsewhere, but that it wouldn't really be communicating. It wouldn't have the desire to communicate with us. It wouldn't have the motivations that we have.

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Unless its motivation is to protect this process. So maybe the process is, this is the natural process, is that the human develops the artificial, the intelligence develops to the point where it develops artificial intelligence, then the artificial intelligence becomes the premier species.

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And that's what it's really all about.

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Right.

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Also, hey, buddy, are you going to make money off this? Yeah, gee. Seems like you're a super rich guy who likes to make a lot of money.

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Well, Brett, it's always a pleasure. Indeed. It's always thought provoking and fascinating. And I'm glad you highlighted that the hidden mechanism in Darwinian evolution. It makes a lot of sense.

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Yeah. Well, these are exciting times, my friend, and I'm glad you're part of it. Thank you. Appreciate you very much.

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They weren't even talking about all of this corruption and all this obvious buying of influence. Instead, they were talking about aid overseas and how people are going to starve.

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Tell everybody your podcast that you do with your wife, Heather, and everything where people can find you.

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Is this it right here? Yeah. When this thing comes past you, it just started screaming, fuck.

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Look at that. Look at that thing there.

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When it was right by me, we never showed. You're going 218 miles an hour?

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It'll happen soon enough.

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Was it a V10 or the V8 one?

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Okay.

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We on me?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay, I just love it. Look at that there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so you were a food source.

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Yeah. It is possible. It's possible.

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This.

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Baloo. Baloo was a bear.

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Shape of head. Well, we put hats on them and shit.

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Well, that would stop a bear.

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I don't think, I've never heard of anyone eating a coconut crab.

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That wasn't that long ago.

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How?

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You absolutely love it, don't you? Love it.

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It really is.

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I wanted to ask you about that, like the gas in the tank thing, because there's a philosophy that Marv Marinovich and Nick Curzon, some of these guys have.

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So what they wanted BJ to do when BJ was in his prime, essentially the camp was entirely based around strength and conditioning. So it was all conditioning to give you this insane gas tank. Their philosophy is you know how to fight. You've been fighting your whole life. You're not going to get better at fighting in six weeks. But what you can get is insane cardio if you only concentrate on that.

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And their thought process is that is the most important thing. That is the thing that fails you the most in fights. That's the thing that keeps you from hitting the gas, keeps you from doing the things you want to do, keeps you from being able to scramble out of positions. Keeps you.

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Oh, the UFC gig? Yeah.

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but if you can instead of all this fight specific training like put that aside and Just give yourself the most fucking insane gas tank humanly possible and then fight and then the Margins the things the times when you're going to need it like your skill level is already elite world championship skill level it's not going to deteriorate because your cardio gets better in six to eight weeks and

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But what you can do is give yourself this insane base of cardio. So in those moments when you need to hit the gas, you can. And that's what they did for BJ when BJ was at his best.

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But now it's Venom fight kits. Yeah, the whole fight kit thing is weird. I really preferred it when fighters could have sponsors. Condom depo on the back of your shorts. I don't like that.

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Exactly. Unbelievable gas tank and insane confidence.

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What's up? What's up? What's up? Good to see you, my friend. What is the chain? What does that stand for?

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Were you feeling fatigued in the last round with Trichus?

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Yeah, we were talking about that when we went to Terry Black's barbecue today.

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It's the worst thing to eat right before a podcast. So I got the coffee now. I'm like, yeah, let's go. We pigged out. We pigged out.

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Probably do. Dude, I did a whole series. When I first moved to Austin, I did the whole series because there's this protocol. I think it was an Israeli study that they did where they showed that it lengthens telomeres. You do like 60 sessions over 90 days and – You know what they measure your biological age by the length of your telomeres. It puts 20 years on you.

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It decreases your age of your telomeres by 20 years.

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Well, yeah. I don't want to fuck this up. So what exactly are telomeres? Layman terms. The way you measure someone's biological age is the length of the telomeres. And through things like NMN. Yeah, that thing. Yeah. I got it right. Yeah. There it is.

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Telomeres are protein and DNA structures at the ends of the chromosomes that perform several important functions, including protecting DNA, preserving chromosomal integrity. Telomeres help maintain the structure and integrity of DNA during replication.

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Mm-hmm. Yeah. And as you get older, they get shorter. Smaller, yeah. And they get weaker. I don't even know how I know this. I think it's just a reel I saw somewhere. NAD shot. When people get NAD infusions, that helps that as well.

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I get those. Yeah? Yeah. With Briggs? Yeah. You can definitely do it with Brigham. I use another company. I see, I see. But there's a lot of companies that do it.

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Yes, it's USADA approved. I'll talk about that.

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Yeah, but the thing that does it just as well, maybe even better, is hyperbaric chambers. And so hyperbaric chambers, you elevate it up to two – it's like – Two atmospheres, so twice our atmosphere, and then you have oxygen. You wear an oxygen mask, and you sit in it for an hour and a half. And, dude, you come out of that, and you're just like, whoa, what the fuck is going on?

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How often do you do it?

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I've been doing it a lot lately because I got one at the house. So I've been doing it quite a bit. But it's just a completely different way of recovering. I found out about it for recovery when Uriah Faber fought Jose Aldo.

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Yes, his leg was fucking brutalized. I remember. I saw Uriah was always ahead of the game, and he was using hyperbaric chambers to help him recover. And so then I started looking into it, and then I found out about this Israeli study, and then I started seeing all the different ways that hyperbaric chambers can... Increase your recovery and you know TJ Dillashaw did a lot of that as well.

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I think but it makes a big impact They always do it like when you go down to CPI in Mexico when they do stem cells They give people hyperbaric chamber treatments as well.

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That's a good question. I mean, it probably depends on the individual, but it just makes, anytime I have something wrong with me, I get in there, I just feel just better.

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Yeah, I bet Auckland has it. It's time consuming. You know, the whole experience is two hours because it has to get up to pressure. Then it has to decompress and you're in there for 90 minutes. So it's like 15 minutes getting up to pressure and then 15 minutes of decompressing at the very end. But that's a great way to recover as well.

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I feel like every, especially as you get older, every edge you can get.

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But do you think if you force yourself to eat, that would be a good thing? Nah.

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Yeah, it just gives you more gas.

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Aljo said that when he fought Piotr Jan that he didn't eat. First or second one? First. Okay. And he said he felt like shit. Oh, the day of the fight? Yeah. Oh, wow. He said, you know, I think the time of the fight I pushed back. I forget exactly what the reasoning was or he just forgot to eat or he just wasn't feeling it because of the anxiety fighting for the title, you know, the whole deal.

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And he just felt it in the fight. It just was wearing, and especially with a guy like Aljo who cut so much weight. You know, Aljo is so, he was so big for 35. I remember running into him, he was like 176 pounds. I was like, what the fuck? How are you going to make 135?

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I do too.

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I was bummed out that that Mosvar-Ivloev fight fell out. It was meant to be this weekend, right? Yes. That's a very interesting... Aljo is strong at 145. Why did that fight fall out? What happened? Aljo got injured. Ah, that's insane. He got injured, and he thought he'd be able to work through it, but couldn't. And there's a point of diminishing returns with these weight-cutting dudes.

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And I think...

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Oh, bro. Like when Hamza would make one set. Or even Cyborg. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, man, it's like you really are close to death. I mean, it sounds ridiculous to say that, and for someone who doesn't understand what fighters are going through, you go, oh, you're being hyperbolic, but not really. Mm-hmm. Not really. You really are close to death. If you keep going for a few more hours, you'll die.

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Did you notice a difference when they didn't allow IVs versus when they did allow IVs?

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I never used IVs.

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So you never cut weight enough where you were so depleted that you needed to get those bags in you? Fuck, I would have liked to. They say that's the best way to rehydrate the brain.

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Takes a long time.

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And that's the... Affects your chin.

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There's a lot of water in there. Yeah. And the rehydration of the brain apparently is the slowest because the blood-brain barrier. That's the slowest... Your bodies, your muscles rehydrate fairly quickly. But still, it just never makes sense to me that a person is literally on the verge of death 24 hours before a cage fight.

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No, that doesn't make any sense because you've got guys like DC that, you know, even though he was not even barely six feet tall, he was a heavyweight champion, but he's a tank. And he has the wrestling skills. I think that the way to do it really is to have more weight classes. I think when you have the big gaps, like 85 to 205 is 20 pounds. That's crazy. That's such a big-ass gap.

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And then 205, if you want to start fighting heavyweight, and then you're dealing with guys like Francis, who's a natural 265, that's such a gap.

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Oh, big time. Yeah. That's big. Sponsors on your shorts is a lot of money. Like, Shaw was making more money from the sponsors than he was from his fight purse.

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They could do that, but I think that's maybe a little too much. I think 10 pounds.

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10 pounds is reasonable.

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25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 205, and then maybe 225, and then heavyweight. Super heavyweight. Yeah, you have more chance. The whole thing of 265 being a limit for heavyweight to me is crazy, too.

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They should have it everywhere. There's too many gaps. They're too wide. There's too many tweeners. Too many guys that are too small to fight at 170, but they really can't make 55 healthy.

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Common sense rule and especially anybody who understands the power of elbows like this is not the most powerful elbow No, it's just not and so to deny that and to say that somehow or another that can't be blocked. Well, that's crazy Yeah, you could do that just as easy as you can do that. You can block that elbow facts. I Yeah, none of it makes any sense.

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There's a bunch of things that are unrealistic, in my opinion. One of them is not being able to up kick from a downward position when a guy's on top of you. So if a guy's on top of you and you're on your back and the guy has a knee down, you can't up kick.

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That's silly. That doesn't make any sense. I think you should be able to up kick when you are flat on your back and he's on his knees. Because that's a real technique.

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They disqualified him. Yeah. That technique, like if you are in a guy's guard and that guy can elbow you in the face, punch you in the face, why can't he kick you in the face? He should be able to lean back and up kick you and it would make the guard way more effective. Dangerous. It's also more real. Here it is. This one, yeah. Boom. Oh, shit. That was a good knockout.

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That's a beautiful knockout. That should be 100% legal.

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Boom. Oh, like an axe kick. Yeah. Like an axe kick from the outside. Yeah, you know what? You're right. That's 100% a good technique. It should be legal, and you should be avoiding that if you're on top. Top is an advantageous position. Anything the guy that can do on bottom that is real for a real fight should be allowed. It's not like you're cemented in this position.

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The idea of not allowing soccer kicks to a downed opponent, what I think about that is the cage. I think if you're pressed up against a cage and someone can stomp you or soccer kick you, there's no way to move.

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How much was Condom Depot paying people? I don't even know.

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But if you're in an open space and there's a place to move, all those things should be legal because all those things are real techniques. Facts. But especially if a guy's on top of you. If a guy's on top of you, on his knees, in your guard, and you can get a leg back and stomp him in the face, that's good. That's a real technique that should be 100% legal.

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Yes. They allow it.

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I think it's if they're pinned against the cage.

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Which makes sense.

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Did you ever see the one where Roger Huerta fought in one and got one of the worst soccer kick KOs ever?

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He fought some big Brazilian cat, and this dude soccer kicked him, and it was like, oh, my God.

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He had him rocked already, and then he's down like this, and this dude just leans back.

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Okay, but if that's true, how about Irani Aldana? When she fought at the Sphere, her whole face is cut open.

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Insane. They didn't stop the fight.

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I just feel like, you know, if they didn't like some because it didn't represent the sport, like Condom Depot, then just fucking have a list of ones that you agree to.

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So tough. So here's the Roger Huerta one. So Roger's hurt. And Roger shouldn't have been fighting at 170 anyway. And watch this. Oh, no. Boom. Oh, yeah. I mean, that one. I have seen this. Bro, that one can fucking kill you. That one can kill you. I mean, that dude had everything in that kick.

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And then line it up. Just really line it up. Full fucking goal. Ooh, that's a rough one. That is bad. That's a rough one. But that's a real technique. Legal. You can do it in real life. Yes, that's the point. It's the sport of fighting. And if it's a sport of fighting and you can't up-kick a guy when you're in your guard because his knee's on the ground, that's ridiculous.

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Made no sense.

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I think Herb was alluding to they want more action.

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I don't know if he's getting pressure from someone to have more action, but one of the things that Herb said was if someone wants it, I think he was alluding to some specific officials and executives, whoever. He's like, if they wanted to look different, I wish they would tell me. Oh, wait, Herb's saying this to you? No, no, no, not to me.

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He said it in an interview when he was being criticized for trying to get people to work and trying to stand people up. So let me get this straight. He's saying maybe some officials or someone would be alluding. He's alluding to the fact that they want it to look a specific way.

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See if you can find his statement on it because it was interesting the way he phrased it. The way he phrased it. Like cryptic. Yes.

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And I think they are because he's always like, let's work, let's work. Sometimes when it doesn't even make any sense, like they're working.

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But it's what we were talking about at lunch today, too, is that there's certain fighters they want to win because those fighters are more exciting. And I'm a purist. I feel like there should be no stand-ups. Unless there's a violation, unless someone does something illegal, there should be no stand-ups.

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I think if a guy can take you down like Merab does and just beat you up and you can't do shit, and even if the audience is booing, that's the fight. Sean wants to get up. He's got to get up. I don't think it should be you can just hold him on and you're full guard and the referee just stands you up. Because that's such an advantage for the striker to be standing up again.

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And you already have the advantage of every round starts standing up.

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Let's see what the statement is. Did you find it?

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Luke Thomas, the journalist. Okay. MMA journalist.

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There was an article where they had interviewed him.

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Yes, it was a statement from Herb himself, and he was saying, if someone wants the fights to look different, I wish they would tell me.

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But I do like it when boxers wear cool shorts. You know, they wear whatever the fuck they want. I love it when Melvin Manhoef would wear those gladiator skirts.

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That means they're telling you, I want more action. Okay, here it goes. I've seen on social media, people have spoken about me calling the fighters for more action. That's what I've always done. I can tell you what I tell fighters during the rules briefing. I tell them anytime I'm going to interfere or any intervention, I'm going to talk to you first, like if I'm going to stand you up.

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What I'm going to say first is I'm going to say let's work. I usually clap at what I'm expecting from him is not busy. And what I'm expecting from him is not busy work. I specify I'm looking for effort to finish the fight.

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So either you posture to where you can set up fight ending attacks or advance your position, effort to advance, because it's not as easy as just passing the guard, but effort to pass, effort to advance your position, effort to bring the fight to finish. That rule was put in place, standing fighters up, to make our sport work. Look the way we want it to look. But he said something else.

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It was more.

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It's not that, but you are influencing the course of a fight where a guy has control.

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The way he said that, someone, that's... I think he was saying if someone wants me to... If they want the fight to look different, I wish they would tell me. But that's what I'm saying.

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I don't think the referee's job is to instruct a fighter to do anything other than follow the rules. And if you can hold a guy down, I'm the worst with this because I think you should start in the same position you ended the last round because I think it's one fight. I think it's one fight. It's not five fights. So an advantage for the striker is always standing up.

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So if a guy gets you down and has your back and the round ends, I think he should have the exact same position in the exact same place on the octagon floor when the next round starts because he earned that position, and you didn't earn the stand-up. So if you're standing up, standing up for a guy like you is a giant advantage.

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Yeah, of course. Well, also, the audience would be like, shut the fuck up, bro. You know, you fucking pussy.

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Yeah, that's just one of the things about the UFC. They want everything to be uniform and organized.

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Well, it's also built-in drama over the evening where people watch a guy fight once, and now he's going to fight a second time. And that was always wild about the early days of the UFC, watching those tournaments.

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Glory did it. Remember Last Man Standing? That was crazy. They fought three times that night.

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Well, that's what glory does.

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One more round. And you see the look on the guy's face like, oh, fuck.

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Is that one of the most difficult things to change your mindset in mid-fight, like if something throws you off? Mid-fight, ooh. Do you remember, what I'm bringing up specifically, do you remember Tim Kennedy and Yoel Romero? Oh, get up, get up. Yes. Yeah, stool gate, stool gate. Tim Kennedy had Yoel Romero fucked up, fucked up. And then they put Yoel on the stool. They threw ice on the floor.

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And he kept sitting on the stool. And Big John's telling him to stand up, and he's still sitting down. And Tim Kennedy's walking around going, what the fuck? This fight should be stopped. The fight's over. Yeah. The fight should have been stopped. But then Yoel got up, and then he stopped him afterwards. But he had a good, solid 35 seconds extra recovery time, which when you're hurt is huge.

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I don't feel like anybody should be wearing shorts in grappling. I feel like the temptation for... Yeah, tights. Temptation for grabbing is just too much. Yeah. And it does happen.

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Tim said it fucked with his head. And it was his mental weakness that he didn't, he thought he was angry. They're robbing me. This is bullshit. I had him. I should have won. The fight should have been, the round started. The minute was up. It should have been, I could have got on him and I could have finished him. And so in his head, he lost focus.

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Exactly, and they did. And so then he's got to fight again while he's going, motherfucker, this shit already been over. So instead of concentrating completely on being in the present in the fight... You're thinking I got fucked.

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Which could have been over if Anderson just followed up with one or two more shots. That would have been it. It's like we were talking about Jalen Turner and Renato Marcano. He drops him, has him fucked up, and then walks away like it's a KO.

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He could have just done something and taken him out. Nato's fucked up, too. He was hurt bad.

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And Jalen can crack. It's tough. Oh, he's so big for 55 and so long.

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That's the one where Dan broke his arm, right?

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Dan's a savage.

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I love watching him come back into the top five now. I love it. I love that he did that.

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Yeah. Crazy.

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I'm like, fucking... Bare knuckle boxing or MMA?

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Masvidal's got that whole MMA league where it's all bare knuckle MMA, which I like. Because it doesn't make sense to me that you don't cover your shins or your knees or your elbows, but you do cover your knuckles.

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Oh, yeah.

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A little softer.

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Bro, listen, man. The best gloves for sure are Trevor Whitman's. Yeah. The best gloves. He made the best gloves. They're the best MMA gloves of all time.

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The best MMA gloves.

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They curve. So it's curved. So your hand is in this position. So if you want to do this, you have to open them up. But still, you could do that for grappling. It's all the same. But they're in a curved position, and I think that would avoid so many eye pokes.

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So many. You haven't really been eye poked too many times.

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nah only time was in training really bad one was in training but nah not not in a fight nah avoid that as much as i can i have another thought on that tell me what you think of this i feel like they should cover the fingers i feel like why with like a mitt oh it goes over the top with like a round surface like a little something like those little bad glove mitts like that's trevor whitman's okay that's the onyx gloves those those are the best gloves trevor whitman's a fucking genius man he makes incredible gear

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Yeah, they were in negotiation, but I think Trevor went crazy and wanted some ungodly amount of money. He wanted something, according to Dana. At least that's his version. I haven't talked to Trina. But regardless of all that, he makes the best gloves. They're the best MMA gloves of all time, bar none.

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It's also the best foam. He uses the most high-tech foams, the most expensive foam. And he makes them all by hand. Trevor stitches them together.

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You think they're more damaging?

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I don't know why the fingers have to be exposed. Because you never do this. There's no reason to have the fingers ever in this position. Every time you grip, you're gripping like this.

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Or you're gripping like this.

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Why can't you just have a thin piece of leather that goes over the fingers and then something that's curved around the top?

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Yes. So even if you do get poked in the eye, you're getting poked by a large thing instead of a finger. It goes all the way into your eye. And fingernails.

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So the nails would be covered. Even if you trim your fucking nails, that's still a hard surface that could scratch the shit out of your cornea.

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Oh, yeah, man.

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Yeah, it is what it is. I mean, there's a lot of room for expression. It's interesting to watch, like, all the different styles that people promote themselves as well. You know, like, there's so many different ways now. And then there's guys like Alex who, you know, he doesn't even speak English, and he's risen to the top just based on performance.

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Well, Mike Wendell, John, you know, he lost an eye.

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Exactly. Yeah, he did. From holding pads from somebody. So he was holding pads, and someone missed and caught his eye with their toenail.

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I think everybody should wear goggles if you're holding mitts. Just the possibility. Just that we know that it happened to one of the top trainers in the sport.

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I feel like it wouldn't affect the grappling at all. And it definitely would help eye pokes, which are the biggest problem. Eye pokes are a giant problem, man. So many guys have gotten eye surgery now. I mean, Bilal's had three eye surgeries. And remember when he got poked real bad against Leon?

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I feel like it should be done because I don't think it's bad. I don't see any negative to covering the fingers, and I see only positives. And I don't think it would do – it's just real simple. Piece of leather here. I get you. I get what you're saying. Measure the fighter's hands. Some guys have very long fingers. Some guys have short fingers. Measure the fighter's hands. Build a custom glove.

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That's not hard to do.

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I don't think so. I don't know if anybody that's made that, but that should be the way they do it because that would eliminate an enormous number of eye pokes.

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Well, the UFC doesn't listen to me because I have all kinds of crazy ideas. I'm like, get rid of weight cutting, add more weight classes, change the gloves. No stand-ups.

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Because also like I'm not interested in making the fight more exciting. I'm making, I want, I'm interested in what's the best, what actually works. I'm a purist. I want to see what was the actual effective technique. Like there's sometimes like when you see in jujitsu tournaments where guys are doing something like they're in a 50, 50 position.

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I'm like, this guy could punch you in the face, kick you in the face. So easy. This is not a good self-defense position.

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And you see it in MMA where guys are accustomed to doing that and they're, They're literally face down, holding onto an ankle, and the dude just boom, boom.

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Yeah. The thing about leg locks is you have so little time to react. Yeah. If you don't tap, there's such a brief, especially like an inside heel hook, there's such a brief amount of time you have before your shit is just blown to smithereens.

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Rips apart, and then you're fucked for nine months.

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Especially like locks. Do you have a hard time like that? With people trying to get a name for themselves training with you?

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they'll just lower belts they'll be like i'm like i'm good thank you you know what i don't like when i see a dude sitting out around and waiting while you're exhausted and then they go do you want to go like bitch i watched you i'll call him out i watched you just sit down yeah for 10 fucking minutes oh you'd get that as well why didn't you just jump in yeah why weren't you just rolling right now you want to roll fresh yeah is that what this is yeah and you like call him out on you see the look

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Can't wait to get online.

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Well, it's interesting because you're a specialist. You're one of those guys that you didn't come in with a full MMA experience. You didn't start as an amateur MMA fighter. You were a kickboxer. I remember when you and I first started talking online. I reached out to you on Instagram. And you were like, I'm going to wait a little while. I'm going to just do this right.

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Which I thought was very intelligent. Because you could have just jumped in like many guys do. And then UFC throws you in with a wrestler. You get exposed. And now you're so far behind the curve. It takes a long time to build up your confidence and your momentum again because you got smothered in your first fight.

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If kickboxing was as big as MMA, do you think you would have ever done MMA? Yeah.

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I like how one FC has everything. They have grappling matches, they have kickboxing matches, they have Muay Thai matches, and they have MMA matches. I think that is the way to go. And I really wish the UFC, I know they're invested in this slap fighting shit, but instead of that, have a kickboxing league. I think they don't think that people would get into kickboxing. I think they're wrong.

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Because everybody loves KOs. Everybody loves stand-up fights.

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Yeah. There's a lot of KOs there. But you're going to get real KOs because no one can grapple. You can't grapple. So you're going to get people that are forced to stand up, and you could then attract the greatest strikers in the world like 1FC is doing. They're getting all these Thai killers, these Rob tanks, all these elite Thai fighters, and they're all coming over.

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And they're fighting in the cage now. And I feel like there's an opportunity for that for a kickboxing league in America that would be hugely successful if, like, the UFC machine got behind it.

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Yeah, he did. In the cage. Yeah. Little gloves.

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It's kind of crazy about the Dutch, right? Like, what is it about them that makes their style so savage? Because if you go back and you, like, watch, like, Ramon Deckers or Rob Kamen or Ernesto Hoost.

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Oh, my God.

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I've heard it's insane over there. Khalil was talking about it. Khalil was telling me when he went up the train over there years back, and he's like, I can't fucking do this.

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The Jan thing is a crazy situation, right? Because Jan goes to a split decision with Pereira. It's a great fight. It's a tough fight. He has that crazy fight with Ankalayev. It goes to a draw. And then no one's talking about him. Everyone's talking about contenders in the light heavyweight division. Like, what about Jan Bohovic? Yeah. Get him in now before he's too fucking old.

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I think he won the title that old. Wasn't he like 39 or 40 when he won the title?

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I just feel like he's being disrespected. He's just not getting the attention. If you look at his performances, the guy's not had a bad performance. There's not one fight that was boring. There's not one fight where he wasn't...

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trying to win he's not a wrestler right he's fighting top contenders he's fighting kickboxing yeah he's a fucking animal and he's out of the conversation like they're talking about ankalayev fighting you know like oh alex is avoiding ankalayev so he takes khalil ankalayev and jan bohovich went to a fucking draw like what about that like what about him

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What does it say? Okay. Oh, he's supposed to fight Rakic, but he got a shoulder injury.

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Oh, shoulder surgery. But that was January, so that was 10 months ago. Yeah, it must be. Well, that's about the amount of time, especially when you're dealing with shoulder injuries, man. Those fucking things take forever.

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Stem cells. Yeah.

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I went to Mexico. Yeah, it's a game changer. Yeah, it's a game changer. And we're getting fucked here in America where it's very difficult to get the same kind of treatment that you can get in Mexico and Panama. What they can do here is much more limited. Hopefully in the future they'll release those limitations. But yeah.

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In America, you're dealing with a lot of corruption because orthopedic surgeons, pharmaceutical drug companies, they're going to lose a lot of money if they have stem cell treatments because there's so many different things that it could fix.

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And he fights fucked up. He fights injured. Apparently his knee was really fucked up in the first Yuri Prohaska fight. Oh, wow. You know when he stopped Yuri and then he did like a forward roll off of Yuri? Yeah, yeah. He said he did that because he didn't trust standing on his right knee. Oh, wow.

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Well, there's enough people commenting on the Epstein case that I don't think you have to worry. But the people that are in the position to actually know the people's names on the list, those people are probably in trouble. Yeah. Because that's a crazy piece of information to have.

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No one's been brought—no one's been discussed. Boom. We know who went there. We know flight logs. No one talks about anything. There's no effort to prosecute. There's no effort. And then you have Ghislaine Maxwell, who's in jail for sex trafficking to who? To who? You have to have done it to someone, but there's no effort at all to uncover that.

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Sometimes you have to tell Diddy no.

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Yeah, it's crazy. Sean Diddy Combs' alleged list of accomplishments to be revealed soon. The names will shock you. Attorney says, whoa. I think he's going to sing, eh? I think he has to sing or he goes to jail for the rest of his life.

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Yeah, his knee was fucked up. It was fucked up in training camp. And so when he stepped off of him, he just decided to roll forward instead of putting weight on his right knee. That's smart. That's some parkour shit.

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If you don't know, you're just a celebrity and you know, oh, Jennifer Lopez is going to be there. Oh, Rick Ross is going to be there. Everyone's going to be there. That would be a cool place. I want to meet those people.

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And you're filmed. Yeah. I heard about that. Yeah. Allegedly. Cameras all over the house. And a hundred bottles of baby oil. Yeah. What? Nobody's that ashy, bro.

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Probably started out with it. That's all the bottles. No, that's AI. That's got to be AI. I don't know if it's AI. I think that's real. I think it was lube and baby oil. I think you had a variety of different substances. Who counted that? It was a thousand. Look at that.

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Imagine having 500 bottles. Five, six bottles of baby oil on the wall. Imagine having 500 bottles and go, we need to go for a fucking Target run.

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What is this, defaced AR-15s? Interesting. What does that mean? Does that mean they scratched the serial numbers off? Yeah. Whoa, that's a serious crime. Yeah.

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And then... Is he in cahoots with... Was he in cahoots with Epstein?

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Isn't it crazy? That was always the conspiracy theory, tinfoil hat thing. Oh, there's a place where the elites go to fuck underage kids. You're like, what?

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Alex Jones. He was right. He was right. He was right about a lot of things.

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About almost everything. Fucked up that one. But almost everything else he was... But you got to realize that that guy had been uncovering real conspiracies that the media had not covered for fucking decades. And he was literally having like a psychotic break because of it. Because he's just drinking all the time and dealing with the stress.

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Yeah. This whole thing was just money. It was just they were trying to convince everybody they needed a vaccine because they wanted to make enormous amounts of money and they pulled it off.

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I was talking to a dude last night who's a veteran who was telling me that the hospital where these veterans get treated, they literally told him we are not allowed to make a connection with any of these adverse side effects to the vaccine. even ones that are listed as vaccine side effects, they're not allowed to make that connection because they mandated the vaccine.

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And this is the real problem. The reason why all these corporations and all these people don't want to talk about it is because they mandated their employees to get vaccinated. Yeah.

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So even though there's no liability for the vaccine manufacturers because they're exempt, which is part of the problem why they fucking propose all these things anyway, but then you're not allowed to make the connection with the problem these people are having and the fact that they got vaccinated two, three times. You're not even allowed to say that this might have been the cause of it.

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They're not even allowed to...

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bring up that connection that's so they have to just treat whatever this side effect of the vaccine is without talking at all about the vaccine and not give any connection to it isn't that funny it's through the looking glass yeah uh it's like we're living in the matrix man it really is it's like there's complete mind control and the idea of mind control is like no mind control is not real of course it happens i've seen it so many bots bro like sometimes

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Because they got vaccinated and they told people to get vaccinated and they don't want to believe they made the bad decision and they don't want to believe they coerced other people into making a bad decision. Yeah. So they want to come up with all sorts of reasons why all these health problems and all these. And then the overall all cause mortality increase, which is through the roof.

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In some age brackets, it's 40% increase in all cause mortality, strokes, cancer, heart attacks. All these things have gone through the roof and no one is making a connection.

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The pressure was incredible. The pressure was incredible. And, you know, I felt it in the weirdest way because I saw people lying about me on CNN. I was like, this is crazy.

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And the way you did it, too. Oh, my God. That was one of the greatest celebrations of all time.

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Yeah, it was horse dewormer. They changed the color of my face. They made me look yellow and sick on television.

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I'm like if you do that to me and by the way no one gave a fuck that I got better real quick that was the craziest part about it isn't this supposed to be about recovering from a disease here you got a guy who's recovered in three days and is telling you all the shit he took and you're lying

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Well, I remember when Dan Hooker had fought over here and then there was a picture of him being on the side of a fence looking at his daughter. It was heartbreaking.

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Well, that was a lot of things. I enjoyed it. People on Twitter lost their fucking mind because they were on Twitter all day long, locked in their house during quarantine for months and months at a time, just literally getting mentally ill, just reading Twitter and attacking people and then blaming all these people that are unvaccinated on all the problems of the world.

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They just put us against each other. Yeah. Constantly. I just hope people don't do that again. I hope people realize like, hey, that was no one benefited from that. No one got better. No, it didn't help anybody survive. It was all bullshit. I hope there's another lockdown.

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Teamsters and longshoremen strike in America, which means all the docks all the No one's moving nothing everything all the Amazon just for two No, no, no, no, no, no, no eventually that's all gonna lock down Eventually there's gonna be nothing if these guys keep going it's gonna cripple the economy right now it's only been a couple of days but the the head of the Longshoremen's Union was talking about what effect it's gonna have and he basically say I why they're doing it because they want more money and

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Okay. They feel like they have a more valuable position than they're being compensated for, and this is the best way they can negotiate. You guys need to understand how valuable we are to your society. You take us for granted. You don't want to give us what's fair, and so we're going to fuck you.

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And they haven't had a lockdown like that since 1977. 50 years, apparently. Yeah.

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It's a real one. It's a scary one, too, because they have an immense power and they haven't flexed it before and they're flexing it now. And they're flexing it like right before an election, which is who knows what kind of effect that's going to have. Because if the economy tanks because of that and they can blame Biden and Kamala Harris, you know, it could it could get crazy.

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A couple days ago.

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I think it was October 1st.

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I thought you won the first one.

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It's a different kind of chaos. The whole world's watching. That's what's different because America is such a weird country that the whole world is watching when we have elections. Even, look, Trump just got almost assassinated. Twice. Twice. Twice.

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There was a second assassination attempt. Yeah, there was a guy who got caught with an AK-47. He was hiding in the bushes for 12 hours, got in a shootout with the Secret Service. I missed all this. Yeah, because they took it in and out of the news in like a heartbeat.

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No, the Secret Service shot at him. He fled. I don't think he shot at the Secret Service. He fled, and then they caught him.

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So this is a guy who's a real lunatic. He went over Ukraine to fight for the Ukraine forces. It's a crazy person. And this guy was somehow or another armed to the tits, even though it's illegal for him to be carrying a gun. He's a convicted felon. And he almost assassinated Trump. And it was out of the news cycle in a couple of days.

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They gloss over it. They don't give a fuck.

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Everything's wrong with that one. Everything's wrong. It wasn't really Secret Service. A lot of those are Homeland Security. The lady with the gun that she kept on fumbling with the gun. Full panic. Yeah. The whole thing was madness. And the fact that that went out of the news cycle real quickly, too. Nobody cares about the fact they almost killed that guy.

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And they went right back to calling him a threat to democracy, a threat to our society. Hey, who was that kid? How did he die? What happened there? How did he get a hold of those detonators? How did his apartment get completely professionally scrubbed? When they went to that kid's house, there was no silverware. His house was professionally scrubbed. And he lived by himself. Isn't he a teenager?

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20 years old. Meanwhile, he was in a BlackRock commercial. BlackRock the company? Yeah, he was in a BlackRock commercial. Okay.

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And then, yeah, dude, there's so much to that story. And here's the thing. If he kills Trump and then they kill him, who knows? It's all lost. It's all in the wind. Oh, lone shooter, crazy person, unfortunately got a hold of Trump. You know what we need to do? Take everyone's guns. Because gun violence is a real problem in this country. You know what's also a problem? Mind control?

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Like, what did you do to that kid? What drugs was he on? No toxicology examination. They burned his body in 10 days. Really? FBI took a hold of his body. So they didn't even bury him? No, they fucking cremated his ass. Fuck.

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It's nuts. Because he would have been Lee Harvey Oswald, too. I mean, just like Lee Harvey Oswald allegedly shoots JFK, Jack Ruby walks up to him, bam, shoots him. He's dead. What happened? Who knows?

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So is that clip AI? Yeah, that's bullshit. Multiple shooters for sure. Most likely people in the grassy knoll. And most likely probably somebody from where Oswald was as well. It might even have been Oswald. Oswald might have taken a shot as well.

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For now. Yeah. Next year. It's going to get better and better. Yeah, I got to piss. Let's take a leak real quick.

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When did they start filming this?

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What was the most difficult part of it for you?

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Don't you have the McLaren, though?

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Yeah, my youngest daughter won't have it. She grabbed me and dragged me away. Good. Like when people try to take photographs. She hates it. Good. My middle daughter, it doesn't bother her that much, but the youngest daughter, she gets fucking angry. They're stealing my daddy's attention from me.

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Especially when you're sitting down having dinner. That's crazy. When they come up to the table, like, come on, man, get the fuck out of here.

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Entitled, yeah.

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They feel like you owe them something because they know who you are.

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It's always a girl.

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Yeah. Yeah. I love when someone doesn't know who I am now. Now it's nice. Now I can have a regular conversation with someone, you know, like, what do you do? You're like, I'm a comedian. Oh, have you ever been on television? Yeah. A couple of times. Oh, I'll look out for you. Okay, good.

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It's just two people talking to each other. I like what you said. Protect your energy. Cause that's really what it is. Cause if you give up your energy to everyone, you will get lost. Yeah. You will get lost.

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Do you remember the first time you met a famous person?

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Well, you've had those experiences. That's where I give people grace when they're first meeting me. It's like, I get it. I remember the first time I met someone famous. It's weird. Yeah. It's a weird feeling.

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Just enjoy the moment.

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But I understand the weirdness of meeting someone famous because I do remember it. It's an odd feeling. You don't know what to do. You feel weird. You say dumb things. You don't know why you're saying them. And then you're like, what did I just do?

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I used to get imposter syndrome so bad. Yeah? Where I'd meet people, I'd be like, I can't believe you know who I am. I gotta hide. You shouldn't know who I am. I know who you are. You should know me. I'm a fucking loser.

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Yeah. That's a fun place. We have so many people roll through it, too. It's so interesting. All of a sudden, Jelly Roll's there.

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Yeah, he came here before the pandemic, and he was the one who put it in my head. Because, you know, Roms, I fucking love it here. It's easy to travel. It's the middle of the country. It's a beautiful place. No traffic. People are nice.

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Oh, it's so much better here. And it's better for comedy. It's just because it's the only club in the country that's owned by a comedian. So it's free. It's like you can be yourself. There's no executives or producers. Yeah, it's just me. I don't even have any partners. It's just me.

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Only when you're very, very beginning, and it's corrupt comedy clubs that you have to pay for stage time. Yeah, that's not normal. That's something to take advantage of amateurs so they can make extra money, so they can justify open mic nights and stuff like that. But that's not a lot of clubs. Most clubs, you know, you have amateur nights. They all should have it, but we have two nights.

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We have two nights of open mic nights. We just want to make it a real place where people can develop.

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From the very beginning, you could do your first set on stage ever at the Mothership and eventually headline there someday.

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Hard work. Just grinding. That kid's in that club every fucking night. And he's traveling all over the place, all over town, doing different clubs, going on the road. He's making the most of the experience.

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it's a weird kind of rejection thank you that's what it is it's like oh shit that didn't land escape escape escape you can't do shit it's just like nah fuck this shit but you also see other people can do it so you gotta figure out a way to do it and that's part of the challenge of it all it's why it's so exciting to succeed yeah I'll leave that to you guys the expert it's hard But it's also fun.

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I mean, it's the most fun thing to do for a living. And you could do it forever. All the time. You don't have to rely on your body being fit enough to do it. Fighting is so unique because there's a small window. You have from 18 to maybe 38 if you're lucky. Or you could be a Yoel Romero and compete deep into your 40s. But he's the rarest of the rare. Or Bernard Hopkins, you know.

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world championship level at 50. crazy but those are the outliers for most people there's a small window make the most of it yeah in an mma that window is the smallest yeah this is the smallest of all the combat sports that even make it to the top yeah yeah god think about how many guys have an amateur fight versus how many guys like make it to a just a world title fight

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just to fight for a world title. Forget about defending the world title. What you've done is the rarest of the rarest of the rare, and then win it back again.

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How could you be? Exactly. Exactly. I mean, think about how many times you defended the title, you won the title, you beat the greatest guys of your generation. How could you not be happy with what you've done already?

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Just concentrate on the task instead of this whole thing of the titles.

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See what that does.

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So do you think that as the stakes are higher, the pressure is more and it just restricts your creativity? It restricts your ability to just be loose?

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Well, there's always a bunch of people that don't like that you've accomplished something they will never accomplish.

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And so they do want to watch you fall because it makes them feel better about their lack of success. What did Dave say?

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When is that supposed to take place?

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Would you want to? Because there's some three-rounders that I feel like we got robbed that it wasn't a five-rounder, like Saryukian and Charles Oliveira. That was a good example. Scrap. That was a scrap. Such a crazy fight.

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It's so interesting, too, how he keeps his body completely square. And he doesn't even really turn the hips. Yeah.

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Oliveira almost caught him a couple times with submissions.

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And lost a controversial decision, like very close decision. And then I feel like you give him two more rounds, who knows what would happen. Another one was Hamzat and Kamaru.

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That third round, Kamaru was coming on strong.

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Yeah, off the couch, 10 days, 10 days notice. Crazy. Fighting at 85, 170-pound champion, right off the title loss, and then, you know, third round he wins, and you're like, God, what would have happened fourth and fifth?

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Yeah, especially champions. Yeah. Yeah.

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so yeah I do like a five round fight and also you don't get paid by the round so sometimes fights end like that so yeah that's up to you yeah so do you have a timeline of like when you would like to fight again how many fights you would like to have because I know you're 35 now how long do you think you're gonna do this

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Is there any fights that like Strickland that you'd like to do again?

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So it was that one shot that cracked you in that first round that changed the whole momentum of that fight.

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How much damage did he do in that exchange?

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We almost won the first time.

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They had nothing left in the tank. You see Strickland's like, it was all arms.

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There was nothing in the tank. Yeah. They emptied out.

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You guys don't have barbecue in New Zealand? No, we do. Oh, yeah. You have like a Terry Black's in New Zealand?

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He's so tall and dangerous. There's so many good fighters coming out of there now.

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Yeah, Volkan.

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Melbourne's great.

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Australia and New Zealand just have such restrictive laws.

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And the government has such control over people. And I didn't realize it until the pandemic.

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And then I was like, Jesus Christ.

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Yeah. Keep moving.

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It's very interesting because Khalil's so fast. And Khalil's had experience with high-level kickboxers when he knocked out Gokhan Saki. That was a big one. That was a big one. And that was early on where everybody was like, oh shit, Gokhan Saki's finally in the UFC. And then boom, Khalil just takes him out. Khalil's fast. He hits fucking hard.

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Yeah, but that's a dumb way to die.

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Getting stomped to death by a bull is not a good way to die.

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So you feel like you're gonna need that forever.

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It has to be good. Oh, yeah, facts. There's a lot of people that want a great relationship, so they talk themselves into one. And the next thing you know, you're with some girl who's going through your phone.

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And he throws like the thing that he did with Lionheart. He throws that off-speed shit sometimes. He'll give you a little of this, and then he jolts in on you. That off-speed uppercut was nasty.

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There's a problem that girls, when they think that you are busy with something else and you don't care about, you're not paying attention to them, they're not your primary focus. They get very upset. I've seen guys where they're getting ready for a fight and their girl starts fights with them as they're weighing in. Yeah.

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It's nuts. Yeah.

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Right. The intimate person in your life wants you to fail because they're competing with you and they want to get over on you.

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It can work, but, boy, you've got to find the right person. They've got to find you. I'm not looking. I'm not looking.

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Just for the lulz. Just for the lulz. Yeah. Yeah. Easy. Well, you know, you have to protect your time. That's the problem. It's like you only, especially when you're doing something like fighting, there's the amount of time and dedication that's required to be at your very best is insane. And there's nothing like it. There's nothing like it. Even in sports. Yeah.

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If you're a basketball player, you have to play basketball, you have to practice, but there's a lot more free time. Yeah. A lot more free time, and it doesn't drain your body the way fight training does.

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Do you have a timeline on how much longer you want to fight for?

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That's probably the end where guys can compete at the high. Like Jared Cannoneer got to like 38, 39. He started to fall off a little bit in the last two fights. He's lost.

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When he fought Bisping?

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Do you have any thoughts of things to do other than things for adrenaline? Oh, yeah.

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There's always vampires, right?

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Especially contract shit. That's very difficult to really absorb. There's no pictures. You need an anime contract. Make me a fucking cartoon that explains what happens if everything goes wrong. With me crying. Oh, no money. Or me living in a palace with a bathtub filled with gold.

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That's a great thing to have. Yeah.

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It's going to be interesting to see right away how Khalil deals with the distance and how Alex deals with the speed. Because the thing is, Alex can be hit. And Bruno Silva tagged him a few times. You took him out. I think the 85 thing was, I think the drain for him to make 85 was insanity. I think it was insane.

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Overall, it seems like you're in a real good place.

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Well, they were rooting for you, and they feel bad.

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There's a thought that some people have that in order to be at your best, it has to be everything. You have to live and die by your performances. And when your performance sucks, you have to suffer until you get a good one.

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You're never going to stop. You never stop learning. When you do, you're going to die.

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Yeah, life is an experience. It's a long, and people have like this number thing in their head. Oh, by 30, you should know this. Some people, some people know. Some people don't learn until they're 40. Some people never learn.

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You could have been.

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One outs. What does that mean?

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Oh, I did see the video of that.

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Strickland.

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It just elevates him in his mind. Exactly.

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And I was like, man, this nigga's cracked out. Oh, he's a crazy person.

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Bro, people were trying Chuck Liddell in his prime, and he was a complete psychopath.

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If you knock that guy out and he bounces his head off, that was what was going through my head.

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They didn't get convicted?

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Icy Red, bro, is the funniest shit.

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Bro, that's your own blood. Icy Red. You should see clearly. That's a ridiculous thing. I've never heard anybody say Icy Red and it worked out well.

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What's different about getting ready to fight him?

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They might try to make an example out of you. They will. Yeah, especially if you killed somebody.

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Follows the rules.

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Ha ha ha!

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It's a real challenge to be yourself with the kind of attention and pressure that you get.

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It's always weak people that want to do that.

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Makes you sus. That's hilarious.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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To you? Yeah, exactly. But you were an asshole. So I had to be an asshole to get you to fuck away from me.

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Well, I don't think they'll ever understand what it's like to be a person like you.

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Yeah. And so, again, they feel like you have this advantage, this privilege that no one else gets. So they think that you owe them something. You owe them your time.

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So I can't remember how I responded. Yeah. You think I wasn't trying to win?

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They're taking advantage of the fact that you're being respectful.

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I know what you're saying. I got to put me first. Yeah, you have to. If you don't, nobody else will.

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Well, listen, brother, I think the way you handle yourself and the way you communicate and the way you're honest and just you can be yourself, it's a great example to other people, especially young fighters that are coming up and trying to figure out how they're going to manage this. And if they ever be so fortunate, they get to a position like yourself. you gave him a little roadmap.

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And I think that's a beautiful gift to give people, an understanding of how an intelligent, sensitive person deals with this crazy position in life. Thank you.

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It's real.

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I appreciate you, brother. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Love you, man. You're the fucking man.

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Watch it. Apple TV. There it is. Bang. Beautiful.

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All right.

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Thank you. My pleasure. I appreciate it, brother. Thank you. Bye, everybody.

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Right, you had come so close a couple of times. Every time. And then even in the first fight in the UFC, so close at the end of that first round. Like, you had him. If there was 30 seconds left in the fight or in the round, yeah.

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Exactly. Over and over and over again.

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It's dangerous. That's dangerous because if they can get that through with her, even if you like her and you think she would have done a great job, it's scary that you were given that kind of power. And the same people that were auto-penning all those Biden executive orders would have been in charge for another four years, if not forever. Yeah, that's right.

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It's fucking crazy. It's what they try to do to Trump. Plus.

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Does that count? Is there a legal battle about that? Because if you can't remember, if Mike Johnson testifies that he brought up the natural gas deal and he's like, why did you go? And he's like, I didn't. He's like, no, you did. And then he asks to be alone with Mike Johnson. So he always has handlers with him. And then when he's alone with him, then Biden tells him, I didn't sign that.

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And then you realize it's the same signature.

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Yeah. And it's just wild that you could be too old and senile to stand trial for having classified documents, but yet you're fine giving out pardons. Yeah. Like, how do you let a person with a mental disease give out pardons? That seems like that's the guy I'd manipulate. And if it turns out that guy gives out more pardons than anyone ever upon leaving office. Yeah.

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That seems like those shouldn't be legit.

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Wild times, Dave Smith. We've got to wrap this up.

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Thank you, sir.

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Appreciate you very much. Tell everybody how they watch your show.

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You have to say what you're arresting him for. And then when people look at it, you're like, wait, Mar-a-Lago is worth how much? Hold on, hold on, hold on. 34 what? Bookkeeping errors? They're misdemeanors? Where's the felony? Isn't it past the statute of limitations? It is.

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We do business with him again.

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We got our money back. There's no victims at all. And it's what every real estate agent does. Every real estate salesman, every real estate investor. They overvalue their properties. And your property is essentially only worth what people are willing to pay for it.

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But they did it so crazy. They tried to say Mar-a-Lago was only worth $18 million.

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It's like, dude, I would buy it right away. If someone told me you could get Mar-a-Lago for 18 million, I'd call my accountant right now. I'd go, don't lose this. Jump on this.

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Wire the money. I'm moving to Florida.

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I'd have to have the call with Jamie. He'd be like, fuck.

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A lot of golfing for you. I lived in Florida for a while. I'll go back.

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All the rest of them have happened. By the way, Israeli news reported today that a strike on Iran is imminent.

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Yeah. That's when we knew it was up. Yeah, that'll tell you something. We were informed that he was in the bunker. which is so crazy, like why would you say where the guy everyone's trying to kill is hiding? Are you that confident in your bunker? And where's this bunker? What does it look like? Can I get a fucking MTV Cribs tour of this bunker? What's going on with the bunker?

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How do you do that? I mean, I don't understand how you do that. It doesn't make any sense to me. Did you see his interview? But it is a signal chat. between high-level government officials with classified information that's being discussed about war plans.

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If that's not classified, somebody else should get fired. Yeah. But at the end of the day, you have... I believe there was 18 people in that chat. Is that correct? Something probably around there, yeah. And... No one goes over those things before you start addressing this information.

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If Jamie and I were talking shit about someone and we decided to do it on Signal, I would make sure that I didn't accidentally include my mom. Yeah, right. Or a fucking reporter I know. Or Trump himself.

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Like, the person who hates you the most. How could you even have that guy in your contact list?

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Yeah, but you don't include that. Every time I get a new phone, one of the things I do is I go, oh, wow, look at all the dead people on my phone. Right. I have a lot of dead people on my phone.

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It's so sad. But I have a lot of friends that I look through my contact list. I'm like, fuck, he's gone. Oh, fuck, he's gone. It's, you know, like... And I have to make the decision. Do I delete them from my contact list? Generally, I don't. I like to see in their names.

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I have an old message from an old boss of mine. I keep the phone just because it's got the voicemail on it. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. It's like... You keep things that you don't need. I have contacts for people that are not just dead, but people that are dead to me. You know what I mean? Like, why do I have them in there? I don't talk to that guy anymore. but you don't add them to a fucking chat list. That doesn't make any sense.

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Yeah, yeah. It's just money. There's a lot of people out there that have nothing to do. We were talking about it the other day. I was like, if I was 21 years old and someone said, hey, they're going to pay you $400 to go to a Kamala Harris rally, would you go? I'm like, fuck yeah, I'd go. I'd hold that sign up. I'd probably vote for her. When I was 21, you had me at $400.

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No, he had to be in contact with that guy.

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Isn't it interesting that Congress people swear now?

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Everybody's swearing.

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Everybody's like, fuck this. Calling people retards. It's great.

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Fuck. Elon Musk yeah Everybody's excited again. It's interesting.

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You were so married to this for too long. You, you gave up your authenticity for too long. Yeah, and it's like a Chris Cuomo type deal.

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I want people to get better. So if you were a propagandist and you're like, you know what, this is bullshit. But there's examples of those people out there that are legitimate. And then there's also people that realize like, oh, well, that job is over. I can't do that anymore. Now I have to be something different. Let me try to be authentic.

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But you're also never going to fully be authentic. You're always going to hold something back. You're going to say things because you want people to think of you a certain way rather than, okay, this is uncomfortable, but this is how I think.

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I was told not to even acknowledge the drone program.

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When I went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the first things they told me was, you're not even to acknowledge the drone program. You're not even to discuss that it exists, said former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs on Up with Chris Hayes Sunday.

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I certainly think there are aspects of that program that are and will remain highly sensitive and very secret. But let me give you an example here, Chris. When I went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the first things they told me was, you're not even to acknowledge the drone program. You're not even to discuss that it exists.

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Yeah, people don't like that detail. They don't like the detail that there's many layers of subterfuge inter exchanging with each other. There's just so much money and so much influence and they're so good at it. They've been doing it for so long that they can get Time magazine to write an article saying how it's good. Yeah, it's great. It's good that we saved the 2020 election.

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And so I would get a question like that, and literally I couldn't tell you what major asked, because once I figured out it was about the drone program... I realize I'm not supposed to talk about it. But here's what's inherently crazy about that proposition. You're being asked a question based on reporting of a program that exists.

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So you're the official government spokesperson acting as if the entire program, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. I think in many ways, and I think what the president has seen, and I have not talked to him about this, so I want to be careful.

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But I think what the president has seen is, Our denial of the existence of the program when it's obviously happening undermines people's confidence overall in the decisions that their government makes.

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Even as the White House press secretary. you're not even allowed to acknowledge it.

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How does this ever settle? How does this ever relax? When you look at what happened in Gaza and you think about the tensions that existed before October 7th, and then this happens, and then the Israeli attack happens, how does anything come to a peaceful resolution at this point?

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It's so weird how these people are so easy to wind up and get them to do what you want them to do. Just put a narrative out there. You're a good person if you go do this. And they just go run out and fucking cause chaos.

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But isn't it part of the problem that Palestine is not a state? Yeah, that's the whole problem.

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You can never come to peace if you never even acknowledge they exist.

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We're going to take it. We're going to turn it into the Mediterranean of the Middle East. It's such a, man, it's such a.

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I'm gonna stop that war in one day.

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Well, that's the beautiful thing about USAID. It's like they had the money to do all this stuff. The money to do essentially whatever they want all over the world. And the way Mike Benz describes it as the... stuff that's too dirty for the CIA. Yeah.

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Do you think it's well, is it a rise or is it the ability to express it now been unlocked? Or is it both?

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Yeah. And it's exploded on the left, which you never heard anti-Jewish sentiment in public spaces before. You really never saw that on campuses before. You know, if Israel did something, you may see a protest, but generally it was organic. These don't seem organic. They seem very funded and they're very disruptive.

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And, you know, some universities experience vandalism and fires and crazy shit and people being threatened. and doxxed, you know, it's different. It's a different level of it than I think we've ever seen before. And it's kind of, it's created a giant divide on the left, right? Because on the left, you have a lot of people that are, their whole life, they've been in support of Israel, right?

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Non-government organization. Yeah, there you go. That's totally right.

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And now all of a sudden, there's these free Palestine people that are also on the left. So you have this divide on the left, right?

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No, I remember in the early 2000s when I realized there's two fighting factions of Islam. I was like, what?

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And that Saddam Hussein had actually kept that from boiling over. Yeah. Because he was in control.

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You're telling me there are shirts and skins over there? They fight against each other? Do you know the difference between Sunni and Shiite?

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Is it like the Catholics versus the Protestants?

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You agree on 95% of this religion, but whatever. If you didn't know about that conflict, you would never believe it's real. Like Christians going to war with other Christians, like different sects. Like brutal, horrible wars.

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So the argument of that, if you want to take the argument, would be like you have to do that to protect everyone here.

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And it's so convenient that they're evil, so convenient that they torture students and they they execute Olympic gold medalists in wrestling because they protested against the government. It's so convenient.

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The Libya one is wild. Yeah. The Libya one's wild when you see how good of a leader he was. He was obviously an evil dictator. No question. An eccentric fellow. Yeah. Definitely a piece of shit. However, for the people that lived there, they got no interest loans. They had incredible infrastructure. Their economy's doing well. They were at peace.

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Then, a few years later, after we invade, or we helped people, we assisted, it becomes a failed state, and they have slave auctions on YouTube. Yeah. I've heard it's recovered somewhat. People reach out from Libya and tell me that Tripoli is actually not bad.

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But not just pouring in, but it seems like they're... they're wanting them to pour in. This is where it gets really strange. I had a conversation with someone about this that didn't understand it, and we were going over civil unrest and how the use of civil unrest

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One of the things that civil unrest does do really well is it makes people want to have measures to stop civil unrest that ultimately erode liberties. It's a really good strategy. So if you want to take away people's guns, take away right to protest, one of the best things to do is to release as many criminals as you can and flood your city with violence and crime.

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the more violence and crime you have, the more people will be freaked out. The more people will be freaked out, the more likely they are to give in to new measures of control.

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And you can do that worldwide.

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But also, let's talk about Europe, okay, in particular. Let's talk about Germany. Let's just talk about the U.K. What have they been doing besides letting in immense numbers of migrants? One thing they've been doing is arresting people for Facebook posts. They're arresting people for stepping out of line. So they're moving closer and closer to totalitarianism.

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And if you look at the numbers of people, you know, that have been arrested for just Facebook, one of them was someone just got arrested, pulled out of his house two o'clock in the morning for a Facebook post saying that he didn't like the Palestinian flag. I mean, this is wild stuff. It's wild stuff. And thousands of arrests. Have you ever seen Konstantin Kissin talking to someone about this?

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Yeah. He was explaining, like, Russia imprisoned 400 people for posts on social media. That's crazy, right? How many do you think the UK did? And he's like, oh, I have no idea. It's like 4,000. He's like, what?

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Thousands of people are getting arrested in the UK and you're only seeing some of them. You're seeing the people that are filming it at the time who have the wherewithal to grab a cell phone. There's a lot of people that have just been by themselves that just got scooped up.

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It's all it's the the George Floyd one was fascinating because it wasn't a setup. It was just an organic Moment where someone was filming some guy Who had a guy lean now was he on his neck or was he on his shoulder? Because I keep hearing people online saying he was on his shoulder Maybe maybe that might be right. The thing is on the neck. I You're really going to go out.

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You're going to go to sleep. If the guy's really pressuring your neck like that, anybody who thinks that's not a big deal, get someone who knows how to put weight on the knee, leaning on your neck. Okay, he's right on the neck, no question at all.

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Okay, that will put you to sleep for the most part, and that will definitely constrict your breathing, depending upon how much weight he actually has on that neck and how strong George Floyd is. Now imagine this guy's already fucked up. He already has an enlarged heart. He's on fentanyl. He's already fucked up. But would he have died without this happening?

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Well, from what I understand, there were two autopsies. People want to say it was an overdose. You know, it's certainly he had poor health because of drug abuse, and it certainly must have contributed to it. But are you saying that that wouldn't have a giant effect on someone in poor health?

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Like, if you did that to an old man with emphysema, if you had some guy who's been smoking cigarettes for 50 years and you got on his neck... He could fucking die right there. Whereas if he didn't, if you didn't get on his neck, he'd probably live a long time.

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Remember Eric Gardner? It was another one. And Eric Gardner, people were saying, you know, he died because he's fat and he had a heart attack. I was like, no, dude, that guy's choking him. And if you don't think that guy's choking him, let me grab your neck like that. You don't think that's a choke? Oh, because it's one arm? I'll put you to sleep with one arm.

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Professional world champion Sean Brady choked out Leon Edwards for the most part with a one-arm guillotine.

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Tito Ortiz got somebody with that. The one-arm guillotine is legit.

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Yeah, they were saying, oh, he just restrained him. Like, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. When you restrain someone, you get their arms behind their back, you pin their weight down. You could just restrain the guy, if you're a good jiu-jitsu practitioner, with your body weight. If you have a good, you're on top. He's face down. You put your hooks in. He's not going anywhere. You flatten him out.

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You underhook him. You pull his arms out. Someone cuffs him. You don't choke him. You don't have to choke him. The guy wasn't resisting at all. So that was another one, right? But these are real moments. These are organic moments. They're not setups, but boy, are they good at capitalizing on those fucking things.

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And then when you see public officials going with this swarm of narrative, the swarm of narrative was defund the police. Like, are you guys out of your fucking mind? In the middle of these riots, you're going to go against the police instead of going against the rioters? You got one bad cop. That bad cop should be prosecuted or something should happen. He should be, you know...

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If the guy died of an overdose, at the very least, what he's doing seems to be brutal and unnecessary. Unnecessary and brutal. The guy's not resisting. You put your weight on his back. It's hard enough. It's so hard to get up if someone has their fucking knee on your back. It's so hard to get up, especially if you're... out of shape and you have an enlarged heart and you're on fentanyl.

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He wasn't a threat for that many cops. Cops get so desensitized and you have so many experiences with one individual. This guy had a long criminal record. People that worked that area probably all knew him. Didn't Derek Chauvin and him work together somewhere? Yeah, I remember hearing that.

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So if you're looking to build or even upgrade your current website, check out Squarespace.com for a free trial or go to Squarespace.com slash Rogan to save 10% off your first website or domain purchase. What do you think the world looks like, though, if the United States doesn't do that? So the United States doesn't... This is like the Mike Baker perspective, right?

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So it was probably some get back involved in that knee on the neck? Right, quite possibly.

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But there is- Most of the time someone's not filming it.

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Why don't you think there would be no reason for it to be a national story when a cop kills a guy for a false $20 bill?

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When I say that...

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We got a four minute, it's like go back to Rodney King. It's the same thing.

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The thing is, it is post-Rodney King. It is a white guy on the neck of a black guy. But there was also a...

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Yeah, but they weren't doing the kneeling and they also got prosecuted.

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I think the Asian cop got prosecuted as well. See, what other cops got prosecuted? I think it's one of those things where you're just supposed to step in and say, you got to get off his back.

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To be like, hey, listen, he is totally... The thing is, I want to know, was he on his neck the whole time? Because I had heard that he was on his shoulder. But that is on his neck. I'd have to go watch that horrible video over again. I don't want to do that. Yeah, it's dark. I was watching some horrible videos today from Gaza.

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This guy carrying around a headless baby, showing what happened to his child. It's just so fucked. Another guy was holding a child's arm in his hand.

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Like if the United States doesn't make friends with these dictators, if the United States doesn't put people who are sympathetic to our causes in power, China does, Russia does, it looks very bad for America all over the world. Things get dangerous.

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I'm good. Find that guy and train him. That's your Rambo. But it is- What is this, Jamie?

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Yeah, that was the Asian guy.

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Eating and bedding. Yeah. Yeah.

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And then there's also the level of fentanyl. We've discussed this, right? Because people keep saying that he died of a fentanyl overdose. But I don't believe the level of fentanyl in his body was enough to give him an overdose. You know how LD50 rates work? You know how that works? No. Lethal dose for 50% of the population. That's how they determine whether or not-

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So the problem is you get 100 people, give them all the same amount of stuff, 50 of them are going to die, 50 of them are going to live. So that's how you find what the LD50 of a drug is. So when you have something like fentanyl, this is a guy who's like an inveterate fentanyl user. He probably has a very high tolerance to opiates.

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The problem is they pull people over for doing stupid shit, and a large percent of them are carrying drugs. A lot of them have fucking bricks in the back of their car. That's the craziest thing about guys who are trafficking drugs. They're trafficking like fucking 30 pounds of fentanyl, and they get pulled over for speeding.

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They're coked up and they're fucking driving fast and they got a trunk full of fucking illegal guns and cocaine and meth. Why aren't you going so slow and cautious? Why aren't you using your blinker? You should be listening to country music on your radio. Nah, dude.

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You should have a fucking cat diesel hat on. You should be nice and calm and slow. You're a regular guy just going about your day.

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Who do you get to drive your fucking car filled with meth? You got to get it crazy, dude. It's not as easy as you'd think.

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And now this Tom Holman guy sending everybody across the border. You can't even get the Mexicans to do it anymore. Oh, Jesus. I mean, that guy is...

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#2299 - Dave Smith

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Well, there's so many layers of it that are hard to unpack for the average person. What's really hard to unpack, especially for like tried and true people.

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#2299 - Dave Smith

6026.522

blue no matter who, Democrats, is this idea that they were bringing people into this country, moving them into swing states, getting them on Social Security, giving them money and incentives and all sorts of government programs that would get them eventually to be voters. Yeah. And these voters would vote for that party and you'd have a unit party. So in that sense...

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#2299 - Dave Smith

6047.037

That's the big one that a lot of people that are left-wing people have a really hard time swallowing. They don't believe that's true. And they'll take it, well, what about when Texas sent those people up to New York? You know, the governor of Texas sent people to New York. Right. But do you know that New York's not a swing state? Yeah, he did that. But why did he do that?

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#2299 - Dave Smith

6065.121

He did that as a big fuck you to New York for the government to turning a blind eye to the problem at the border and saying, okay, you think this isn't a problem? I'm going to send this problem to you.

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#2299 - Dave Smith

6078.305

You have a sanctuary city? Oh, that's cute. I'll send you thousands and thousands of people that you're going to have to take care of now. And they did. And then that's even weirder because then they took over fucking luxury hotels and they had to deal with it. I think, was it Pakistan owns one of those hotels? Oh, I didn't know that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6095.391

Who owns the big one that was in that fucking Jennifer Lopez movie where she was a hot maid? Remember that movie? Maid in Manhattan, I think it is.

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#2299 - Dave Smith

6106.837

I watched it recently with my family. It's the most ridiculous thing. She's like 10. She's just like this poor little sad maid. Pakistan International Airlines has owned the structure. They own the Roosevelt. So the Roosevelt is an iconic hotel in New York City, and they get paid by the federal government, or they did get paid by the federal government to house immigrants there.

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#2299 - Dave Smith

6130.356

And they give them food and they give them money. And they're like, what are you doing? Like, if you're allowing these people to vote in regional elections, okay, you've essentially now, you've bought regional elections. And if you want them to eventually become United States citizens and give them a pathway to citizenship, which all good people would want, Dave Smith, okay, now you have voters.

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#2299 - Dave Smith

6148.88

And if you do that en masse, which they did, they invited people, helped people. The Red Cross was giving them maps, like, this is how you do it. They had stops along the way where you give them water and walk right through when everybody just gets to be on a bus and you get shipped off to swing states. That literally happened. And people on the left do not want to address it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6171.59

They want to deny it. It was an attempt to take over.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6272.435

Do you remember Kathy Hochul saying that they don't know what computers are?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6277.58

Yeah. Do you remember that video? That is the craziest.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6281.423

Every fucking human being has a computer in their pocket.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6317.937

Well, not only that, but it's in the direct memory, the recent memory of everybody needing ID because you had to prove that you got the COVID vaccine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6347.188

You know who else? Me and you? PhDs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6380.007

It was also people doing the man's job for the man. It was everybody piled on. And especially once you got the shot yourself, you're like, I did the right thing. Because you knew it was risky. You fucking know it's risky.

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#2299 - Dave Smith

6393.577

Absolutely. It's medication. Anytime you get medication, you know it's risky. Anytime you get some pharmaceutical drug in your system... Not to mention some completely novel new way where it turns your entire body into a vaccine or an immunity-producing spike protein factory.

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#2299 - Dave Smith

6414.306

By the way, which is the most toxic aspect of getting the disease is the spike protein, so your body's going to produce it itself. What? PhDs are like, eh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6438.406

And even more importantly, we had very long ago realized it wasn't a threat at all to kids. So there was no justification whatsoever to force kids to get vaccinated, and yet we did it, and California did it. They did it to schools, they did it everywhere. And the fact that they pulled that off, and then a couple years later, they're like, you don't need an ID to vote.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6461.286

Why do you need an ID to vote? That's racist. In California, you're not allowed to show ID. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6512.834

I think Tony Hinchcliffe, he might have gotten him more votes. It seemed like- Well, listen, nobody takes a joke better than Puerto Ricans, by the way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6569.136

Especially a good joke.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6573.598

Like they love that shit. By and large, like there's exceptions. Well, there's exceptions for sure. But Puerto Ricans are known. Like if you grow up around Puerto Ricans, they're fun and they talk a lot of shit. Yes. It's part of the culture.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6609.476

Which is why they hate black Republicans. Yep. That's a big part of it. That's a problem. They go after black Republicans so hard. Even harder, I think, than they go after a lot of white Republicans.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6658.095

And she used to.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6786.439

Not only that, these pejoratives that get stuck on him that got stuck on me for platforming him. I read Joe Rogan had a Nazi apologist and Holocaust denier. Well, or skeptic. I think they said Holocaust skeptic. I forget what term they use, but none of those things are true.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6818.908

If they were, they would have listened to fear and loathing in the New Jerusalem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

6979.635

Yeah, it's not going to work anymore. And the people that have their minds made up that have just... knee-jerk reaction. They're going to decide someone's a Nazi or someone's a Hitler apologist. They're not looking into it at all anyway. They have this cursory examination of the headline. Good enough. I'm going to run with it. I'm going to argue with it.

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#2299 - Dave Smith

6998.77

There's always going to be people like that. But the majority of people are like, what is this all about? What did he actually say? Well, let me listen to a show. And then the show shoots up to number one. Yeah. And it shot up to number one again after he was on my podcast. The same kind of thing. It's a fucking great show. It's a great show. And it's not just great about Israel.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7017.248

It's not just great about World War II. His fucking thing on Jim Jones is insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7023.135

so good. It's so insane. And he does that with everything. And he has empathy and compassion and a general desire to empathize and see how someone could join this cult. how Jim Jones could turn from this guy who was a civil rights leader. He was a civil rights leader in the 1950s.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7046.192

I mean, this guy was living in a time where he had adopted a black child and was persecuted all throughout town because of it and was genuinely like a real Christian. Then he's hopped up on meth. He's out of his fucking mind. Now he's in Guyana and he's got a whole group of people with him. He talks them all into killing themselves and the ones who don't, he kills them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7068.819

And, yeah, it's a crazy tragedy, but what Daryl Cooper does is long-form editorial... Like, you have to look at it from an editorial aspect because it's opinion, but it's also information that he's citing, his sources, and he's, like, put yourself in these people's shoes, which is what he does so well.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7105.777

Fear and loathing in New Jerusalem starts out with Jews being persecuted. Imagine these people are your neighbors. And he brings you through this horrific scenario that absolutely did happen to some of the people there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

721.477

It's the Wesley Clark strategy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7462.426

It's not true. Yeah. They just they just have established boundaries of what you're allowed to talk about. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. And there's narratives that can't be breached. You have to follow it to a T, and that's it. That's it. And anything else, you're anti-Semite. And he's labeled all over the place. I'm sure his Wikipedia calls him that. I'm sure.

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#2299 - Dave Smith

7486.666

I mean, there's so many people that have really irresponsibly done that and defamed him. And it's fucked up, but... Ultimately, it doesn't work. It just makes him bigger.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7564.972

But that's how it always is, right? I mean, this is the problem with suppression. The problem, I mean, it's essentially a version of the same problem of creating terrorists. You attack because you think you're going to stop the terrorism. You just create more terrorism.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7579.677

You know, you think you're going to stop people from expanding the narrative and talking outside of these borders that you've clearly established for how people are able to discuss certain sensitive topics. No, you're not. You're not going to do that. You're just going to make people realize that there's a third rail and they don't understand why there's a third rail.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7599.151

And then they start looking into it and they go, oh, right. How much influence does Israel have on our country? And then they start asking those kind of questions. And this gives way to the rise of anti-Semitism. I think suppression of people's ability to talk about very polarizing topics like Gaza, suppression of that is a cause of anti-Semitism.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

761.497

Well, Tucker figured it out too, but in a different way. No, Tucker is actually, yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7620.585

Because people start thinking, like, is there some sort of grand plan to control us and keep me from being able to talk about something that clearly is in the news every day? It seems like a big issue.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

765.822

Tucker is basically doing this kind of a show. Yes. He's basically doing long-form podcasts, but with people who sucked Obama's dick. Yeah. And other various experts. It's not only that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

781.84

Did you see that physician who was on the other day that was talking about all the cancer rises?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7839.012

That's what's fucked. Do you think we're going to learn more now? I mean, you have to realize, if you're thinking about history, this is the first time where people have this kind of access to all the different layers that are in operation all over the world. And if you're paying attention, and most people aren't, but if you're paying attention, you have a much...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7860.265

broader understanding of all the things that are at play than ever before and how these things could be avoided. And I think that's one of the reasons why people were excited about Trump getting into office when he was saying, I can stop that war in one day. I can, we can make deals. There's deals that could be made. You know, we can, we'd stop all the killings.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

7879.871

Everybody's like, yeah, finally someone is not going to do it the way we've done it before.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

789.802

Fucking crazy. They're seeing pancreatic cancer in kids, little kids, which is just unheard of. He was saying that in all of his career, he had never seen pancreatic cancer in a child before. And now they're seeing it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

8141.644

Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

822.349

Wasn't it fucking amazing? It's just amazing that they're arguing against this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

8355.444

Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

8438.653

Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

85.987

It is surreal. It feels fake. It does. It genuinely feels like we're living in some sort of a stupid movie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

861.375

Well, it's also radical change and radical change causes controversy and controversy is what they sell, right? So the media is going to sell that and they're going to sell it on the angle of this is creating all sorts of problems, all sorts of people are losing their jobs, budgets are getting cut, people are getting fired, they're out on the street. It's that. They have to do that.

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#2299 - Dave Smith

8697.699

Like I can have on UFO people. I can have on comedians. No, there's no feedback. I have no feedback. There's no exchange between me and Spotify in terms of who you got this week. What's the month look like?

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#2299 - Dave Smith

8715.21

They started at the beginning of the deal. They said, okay, who's going to be the people the first week? And my manager's like, hey, hey, hey, it's the same show. You bought the number one show in the country. He's not doing anything different. And they're like, well, we would like to get some big names out of the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not what we do here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

8784.035

It's also that I started it not for money. I started it for fun. And it didn't make money for years. And I was independently wealthy. Like I had money from Fear Factor. And I had money from stand-up comedy. I was like, I didn't have like a crazy lifestyle. I was like, I can just, I'm fine. Like this is fun to do. I'm just going to do this. And then it just got big. And it was so new.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

8804.451

And I never changed it. I just kept doing it. I made it better. Got better cameras.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

8817.16

Well, cameras were terrible back then. And we just used regular webcams that you go to Fry's Electronics and buy. We just like regular fucking USB microphone in the beginning, plug it into a MacBook. The whole thing was so janky. It was like and now, you know, they think somehow or another because it's big. Well, some it's been infiltrated. It's not that I haven't been offered.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

8839.13

People have tried to buy percentages of the show and give me large sums of money. And I'm like, eh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

884.821

If you're doing television media, newsprint media, subscription media, that's part of your job.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

8848.173

Once you have fuck you money, you better say fuck you. Because if you don't, you're ruining one of the most beautiful gifts the universe can bestow upon a person. To never be beholden to money anymore. To just be able to be yourself.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

898.346

Can't do it. Can't do it because you get too much money from the pharmaceutical threat companies, which is also what Cali means.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9038.573

Gavin Newsom is trying to do that. I don't think it's going to be him. He wants it to be him so bad. And that's why he's doing his podcast. And he's doing a podcast where I'm inviting everybody on. Well, he's at least right for doing that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

911.451

Every day.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9135.108

Marjorie Taylor Greene and Jasmine Crockett in a cage fight.

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#2299 - Dave Smith

9151.694

Yeah, I definitely did. That was about George Bush getting us into Iraq. He won again? How did he win again? And then someone in the back of the room going, I think we can go dumber. And he's right. He was 100% right with Tim Walz. That guy was almost the vice president of the United States. I'm sure you've seen that thing where it shows Obama saying, I need a vice president that's dumber than me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9175.232

And then it's Biden saying, I need a vice president dumber than me. And it's Kamala saying, I need a vice president dumber than me. And it's Walz.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9189.904

It wasn't just that we were getting dumb. We were getting scary close to people justifying totalitarian measures. You know what? Tim Walz in the campaign trail was literally saying free speech doesn't include hate speech and misinformation. Hey, man, fuck you. Yeah. How about fuck you? Because everything that we called misinformation just a few years ago is now being fucking on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9213.116

It's on the front page of the New York Times now that we were lied to. I mean, the New York Times just printed a thing. It turns out we were lied to. Yeah, you lied to us. You were a part of it. You spit out all of their propaganda without doing what you're actually supposed to do, which is be a journalist. Yep. The only way you can be a journalist today is if you're independent.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9234.609

A real journalist, you have to be a Glenn Greenwald. You have to be a Schellenberger. You have to be a Matt Taibbi. You have to be someone who's independent. That's the only way you could do real journalism today. There's just too many fucking guardrails.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9317.587

Bill Marshall compared him to Hitchens.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9371.127

Yeah, it's fascinating So they're gonna have to adjust or go away adjust or perish and I I I assume they're gonna perish. I don't see them adjusting. The only thing that could change is the people that own them, like Jeff Bezos has kind of put the clamps down on the Washington Post and said, look, I don't want any of these fucking crazy left-wing opinion pieces anymore.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

939.87

It's phenomenal. It's like they created a monster with her. When they fired her from the Daily Wire, they created a monster.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9391.023

I want you to report about lifestyle, health, news, objective news. Like, let's become a fucking newspaper again, which is what is... That's the only way you have value with everybody is... Otherwise, you're alienating literally 50% of the country, and the 50% that buy it, they have to be retarded because you've been lying so openly about so many different things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9415.573

Everything has to be gone through a filter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

947.921

She can't be stopped.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

951.483

Because she's hitting all the fucking third rails that no one wants to touch. She's got a six-hour presentation on how Bridget McCrone is a man. I know. It's fucking six hours plus long. I don't know if she's even kind of right about that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9534.177

Well, the Democrats are really good at having a narrative and then marching with it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9538.86

They're really good at it. And that's what you see with all these tweets that are all from the same kind of verbiage. They're using the same sentences and you see them all throughout. Whenever it comes to certain issues, they're really good at staying united and getting out this one message.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9568.253

We're also in this big Manhattan project style race to create sentient AI. And that's another issue that's going to completely transform society. If you think the Internet and podcasts transform society, just wait till you have super intelligent godlike computers that are telling us what we should do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9624.701

Well, I think they're prepping for that. That's why they're jailing politicians. Like, there's a lot of that going on right now where they're in a hot panic because you're not going to be able to hide anything anymore. It's going to – we have just a –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9636.687

It's going to come in waves, and it's going to be – I mean I'm just guessing what its impact is going to be, but I think the world is unrecognizable in 20 years.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

966.393

But she's got a lot of shit to say on it. Bro. She would be getting sued right now instead of trying. They're trying to bribe her instead of trying to give her money to shut the fuck up Yeah, they would sue her. Yeah. No, you're probably right about that. I don't know they are suing her They have they tried to file anything? They probably have. They probably filed some bullshit lawsuits, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9710.485

At least that would be my guess. There's going to be an app in our lifetime that's a lie detector and it's going to be 100%. It's going to read your retinas. It's going to look at your eyeballs. And you're going to use it just the same way you use FaceTime. And you're going to have to talk to your boss through that thing. And it's going to be able to tell you, what did you do?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9729.054

What did you actually do?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9731.135

Why is money missing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9734.658

Oh boy, it's going to be great. Get that bitch on Nancy Pelosi.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9741.804

Too bad Dick Cheney's dead. Would you like to stick him in front of that thing? No, he's still alive. Isn't he? Dick Cheney? I thought he died.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9762.463

Wow, he's still alive with another dude's heart. Still alive with another dude's heart. Isn't it crazy? All these people died from COVID and that fucking guy's just still kicking. Yeah, well, the thing about making the deal with the devil is, you know, you get paid off. At one point in time, he had no pulse.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9777.648

he had some thing that was just circulating blood through his body and he didn't have a pulse. That's gotta be in the Bible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9832.306

Oh, that's right, because Dick Cheney endorsed her.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

987.188

But I'm pretty sure she's right. I don't know. I might be wrong. I think she's right. The whole thing stinks. And what stinks way worse than that giant distraction is that the number one opponent for Macron just got sentenced to four years in jail and barred from political life for five years.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2299 - Dave Smith

9965.973

Now imagine if they hadn't AstroTurfed those conventions for Kamala Harris. Imagine if they hadn't paid people to show up. How many people would be there? They'd have an arena.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

10669.205

No, Hominick wasn't true.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

12333.626

70, 78.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

12682.364

Just like California.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

13664.497

I saw that. Me too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

1514.414

What else? He hooked him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

16278.533

Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

16305.819

So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

2654.673

I referenced it on the top. It's all bullshit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

3689.241

You can't cook with it, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

4414.605

And it boomed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

539.195

Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

5456.163

What's a skid?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

5458.185

Losing a bunch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

566.489

So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - October 26, 2024

820.061

100%.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1.811

Hey, we're up. We're up. We're up. We're up. It's not a good sign that the fights are still going on for the prelims. That must mean there's a lot of decisions.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10001.199

Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10014.568

But when you max out, you can get to 40. Yeah. If I do just one, I can do 40. That's so nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10022.264

Pretty close.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10027.146

Just bench?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10037.589

I usually do like five sets of 20, but like good 20 pull-ups. Straight arm? Straight arm. Like proper pull-ups. That's a lot for a big guy. What do you weigh, like 250? That's a lot. Like 240-something. Jesus Christ, that's a lot of weight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10051.721

That's nuts, dude. Science is amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10055.683

I wish I was this strong.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10058.844

Look at Leon Edwards. He looks hyped. Here we go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10069.188

Yeah. Here we go. Well, he probably wants revenge after that Bilal fight. You know, that was a bad fight for him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1007.292

I got back on the bench last week and was, no, no problems. What is the scorpion stuff supposed to do? It helps with healing. Like, there's all sorts of fucking history on it. Really? Yeah, dude. Blue scorpion. Do you inject it or you take it? No, it's a serum. Oh, because you put it on the muscle? You put it under your tongue?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10085.053

Well, it's fucking 5 o'clock in the morning. True. I mean, how? How can you fight at your best when you're up all night?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10097.119

Crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10106.503

I don't know. The whole thing is crazy. Just the idea of getting people to fight at that time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10118.166

Only time we get the arena. Who knows? It's ESPN+. They could just always have it on. Anytime. But it can't be that easy where UFC just decides.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10149.57

Tough. 10's late. Super late. Yeah, main event is not on until like 1.30 sometimes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10174.365

Wow. Okay. Still in his prime. 32 and 33. Here we go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10186.326

He always looks snazzy. Bruce has the best suits. He must have a warehouse filled with them, too, because he gets a new one for everything. Yeah, he's a sponsor. Look at this thing. Ah, look at that thing. Oh, fuck, yeah. Who's better than that guy? Can you imagine UFC without Bruce Buffer? Nope. Like, what the fuck are we going to do?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10203.819

When you have a main card, I want to see his head looking like a grape. Yeah. When he's screaming. I love it. That's how he's going to stroke out one day. He's going to be, like, 80 years old someday. That's a proper way to go, too. Fuck yeah. On his shield. Fuck yeah. Cards go flying in the air. Just a slight delay, and they just wheel him off.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10222.704

The whole audience gives it, like, a fucking 10 count. That'd be sick, dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10241.263

I've never announced anybody in a fight. I've only done it at weigh-ins. I'd be terrified to fuck someone's name up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1025.344

Every morning, every night. Bro. And I'm like, how much does it take? I'll take double. Is it fucking... Is there a side effect to it? Nah, I feel, yeah, being awesome, feeling healthy. Does it make you feel great? Oh yeah, I feel great. Wow, but you're doing a lot of stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10250.869

Well, he fucks names up sometimes. That's easy. When he fucks up, I'm like, fuck. I know. That's your only job. You're like, fuck. Some of those names are fucking hard. My biggest anxiety at the UFC is getting the names right at the weigh-ins. Just like some of them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10269.369

Oh, yeah. It's not happening. And I have to have the people in the back, they say it to me in my ear. I'm like, say it again. And then I write it out phonetically like, yeah, bro. You have these weird names. You have to spell it out the way it sounds. Cause there's like C's and Z's in there that don't make any sense. Like what's that doing there? What's this fucking silent X?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10302.513

Let me look at the roster. Here we go. I'm pumped for this one. Here we fucking go. Yeah, it's a great fight. And Leon in London, he's going to be fired up. You would hope. Fuck yeah. How could he not be? The whole audience is going to be for him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10328.868

That was one of the greatest moments ever. That head kick in the fifth round. Fight he's losing. And John Anik with the perfect call. Like John Anik said, he could quit right now, but that is not the cloth from which he was cut.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10341.571

Head kick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10350.973

You ever heard it with the Rocky music?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10355.799

If you're ever feeling like you don't want to work out, listen to that. Do that, yeah. You get fired up. Here we go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10366.247

Yeah, he's got no room left. Dude, Sean looks way stronger. Oh, he's going to be physically stronger.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10374.934

If that happens, but, I mean, you've got to close that distance of danger with this fucking tactical sniper.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10384.062

Mm-hmm. He's just like Jack, and then they switch it. Well, they gave him some time, right? How much time did they give him before they switched it? Four weeks? That's it? Yeah. Yeah, that is different. That's tough.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10402.507

Just defended the takedown and fucked his face up. Sean looking to put a lot of pressure on him, just like Bilal did. I mean, Bilal really gave the game plan. Uh-huh. Oh, good kick to the body by Leon. Easier said than done, though. Especially when you're orthodox and you're fighting Leon and he's got that powerful left kick that's opened up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10421.13

And he gets that kick to the body a few times. You're not the same. Left hand to the body. And look, he's got his distance down. He's got his distance down. Showing off that Philly fade. Yeah. This is the difference is the management of the striking distance. Like, Leon is so good at that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10440.249

Yeah, because right there. Oh, fuck, dude. The counters, they're so crisp. And there's no fat in them, no wasted movement. Straight down the pipe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1045.3

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10454.181

He's got to open something up. Yeah. But he can't stay on the outside.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1046.901

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that legit? I keep seeing stuff about it. That's not how you say it. What is the actual? Methylene? Methylene? Methylene. Methylene. It's on me all the time. Do you want some, Gordon? What is it? Yeah, I take it. It's like a, what do we say, a nootropic? Well, it's basically an MAO inhibitor, and it also has something that does something for your mitochondria.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10462.707

Well, Sean just landed a left hook there, and now they're in a clinch. Because it can be tough to beat Leon if you're just straight grappling. This is interesting that Leon's choosing to clinch with him. Nice knee to the body by Leon. Leon's good at the clinch. He is, man. I was surprised when he took Kamaru down. His grappling is no fucking joke.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10483.291

And remember in the last round, he got on top of Bilal and was smashing him with elbows. Remember that? Yep. Cut him open.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10489.512

Just a little too late.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10502.235

Sean's already cut. Yeesh. Cut on the left eye. It's just interesting that Leon is allowing the clinch. I'm surprised.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10521.872

Oh, nice combination.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10528.155

His takedown offense is too good just to shoot. Yeah, that's a nice combination by Sean. That's great. And this is five rounds, son. Yes, sir. Oh, another good combination by Sean. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10559.788

Bro, that's a crazy fight. Him and Chandler. So interesting. That should be bananas. I love Patty. I love Chandler, too. I'm surprised at how big Patty is. Like, when he fought Bobby Green, I was like, Jesus. He's massive, dude. He's so big for 55. The UFC brought him up right. They brought him up the right way. Oh, Leon caught him with the left hand there. Yeah, he did.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10594.682

And those knees to the body are nice. There's a nice straight left.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10605.811

And so far, no attempt at all at shooting. Like, even in these positions, he's not... Okay, now he is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10625.487

Yeah, because his strength is fucking beastly. Look at the back on that motherfucker. I mean, Jesus Christ. It's like he's got a tumor.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10649.923

Yeah. Where's Sean walk around at? He's got to be 200 plus. Yeah, he's a big fucking boy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10661.676

Really? It said 5'10". Leon's 6'0". No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10677.309

Here it goes. Take down. Here we go. He's flat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10681.091

Very little time. Very little time. But at least he's on top. One's in the round, though, doesn't it? Depends if he can get off some shots. It's definitely going to be the most action.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1070.245

I'm not the guy to describe it, but Gary Brekka told me to take it, and quite a few other people told me to take it. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10700.263

But at least we got a takedown by Brady early, too. Let's see. Three to go. What commercials are you getting, Jamie? Oh, this isn't a ZipRecruiter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10720.381

Power whacker, weed whacker, lawn fucking equipment.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10751.111

Oh, that was a good combination. Three-piece soda there. Oh, it was a trip. Nice. Here we go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10784.148

This is a good sign that he can get this clinch early in the second like this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10790.19

He drags him down. Interesting. Interesting. He's going to take him to a hip now. Nice job by Brady. Nice. That was dirty, yeah? Nice. That was a good transition. Heavy top pressure. Needs a tight waist. Needs a strong tight waist.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1081.374

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10844.779

Mm-hmm. Yeah, well one of them could have no shoes on too though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10884.253

Yeah. It's also such a brutal thing on your spine, belly down with that body triangle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1089.498

Methylene.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10896.617

He's going to let him go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1090.898

Yeah. And that took you to another level?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10905.356

Yeah, Leon keeps trying to go belly down, which is kind of crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10911.6

He can go for a rolling escape, but... When you're a strong dude like that, you can land some powerful strikes from a short distance like this. These are not fun. 170's going to be interesting, though, because Shavkat's out with injury. Is he?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10926.391

What happened?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10932.655

Oh, nasty elbow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10940.806

Big round right here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10946.968

So easy with gloves on. Oh, look at this. Look at this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1095.2

Let's go. Three or four times a day? Yeah. I think you're supposed to do it one a day.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10970.474

Yeah, he's going to look for a Kimura. He's going to look for a Kimura. He's looking for that hand. Here it goes. Here it goes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10981.856

You're allowed to grab your shorts. Isn't that kind of crazy? Yeah, I know. Isn't that weird? That's the only reason to have shorts. Tights are so much better because they can't grab you. Way better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

10995.318

With his right foot? He's still got time. He's still got time. There's a minute left.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11.68

A lot of prelims, but also a lot of decisions. Like, usually they time it out better, because it's like 3.04 now, and this is 1.37 to go in the third round of Jai Herbert. Not ideal. No, but, you know, shit happens. At least they're not doing it at 5 o'clock in the morning. True. That was fucking ridiculous. If I was Leon, I'd be pissed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11003.605

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11010.007

He wants to lock it up. Here it is. Oh, there it goes. Does he have to pass here? Oh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11027.188

flat mountain punch yeah unless he gives you the neck this is big this is big but he's eating his ass up he's chewing him up on the ground yeah he's fucking this is the thing man people they underestimate how fucking powerful this guy is on the ground and how good and he can do this for five rounds Yeah, Leon's in trouble. Yeah, he is. He's in trouble.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11061.431

Then he's just getting brutalized the whole round. The whole round, exhausted. And he came into that round breathing heavy. And now he's just gotten brutalized for an entire second round.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1107.587

He's like a test rat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11073.314

Brady is a real contender. Real contender, kids. To do that to Leon Edwards is fucking huge.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11082.296

I'm like, nah, it's the best thing that could happen to these guys. Where's his guy? Don't let him bully you, Rock. The older guy. He's in the back. Where is he? Is he back there?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1109.767

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11091.999

No. Yeah. No way. Maybe that guy's busy. Taught him yelling at me. Can you imagine? No way. Oh, there he is. There he is. There he is. Yeah. He's the man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1112.608

Probably. Yeah. Something's working. One of them's going to work. The full combo's working.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11126.943

He's pulled things out before. That's for damn sure. The Kamaru Usman fight. He just doesn't seem excited to be in there. Well, he got mauled. I mean, he got mauled that round. Even before that. Come on, buddy. I don't think it's excited. I think he's fighting a fucking animal, man. You underestimate this guy and say he's too little, and then you get in there with him, you're like, oh, Jesus. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11147.339

He's a baby gorilla. Nice kick to the body.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11150.562

Another nice kick to the body. That's the thing about that southpaw orthodox stance. It just opens up that power kick from the outside on both guys. Oh, nice uppercut by Leon.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11163.446

Oh, another one. Another one. Good shot. He hurt him. He hurt him with that one. That was a big shot. Clipped him. There's the shot again. Oh, stuff. Nice. Nice by Leon. That was a long-range shot, though. Yeah, a little desperado there. I think he got hurt. He got clipped, right? And I think he realized, like, hey, this is not a good spot for me to be in. Ooh, excitement. Oh, look at Leon shoots.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11193.838

That's crazy. That doesn't make sense. Horrible idea.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11207.165

Level of grappling. Oh, oh, oh, oh, guillotine. Nope. He's just using it. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11215.669

Back same position. Leon, you were doing so well and you shot, dog? Crazy. Terrible idea. I mean, just trying to prove a point, I think.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11238.953

Especially after that second round where he just dominated him on the ground. The level of grappling is just so significant. There's such a difference. And physical strength. I mean, Sean is just such a fucking ape. Oh! Oh, these are bad. These are bad. Oh. Those are huge shots.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11278.268

It's almost like he's daring him to try to get up. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11293.017

Yeah. Exhausting for Leon. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11299.881

And no moments of success.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11303.987

Like, on the ground, no moments of success. It's all being dominated. There's no sunshine down there. And slightly escaping to another bad position. And he kind of put himself in there with that shitty shot. Yeah, he totally put himself in here. And he was landing shots on the feet. I know. He had them wobbled. But, hey, we're still only in the third. True. He's just got to avoid this at all costs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11324.759

Like, now you know. No more fucking around with all this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11329.582

Like, he's clearly down at least two rounds. Holy shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11336.37

Oh, yeah. Like, maybe three rounds, right? Like, what about the first?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11366.094

Oh, Leon's getting beaten up, man. I mean, he just can't escape. Spread the knees out. Flatten him out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11384.799

God damn, this is domination.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11394.994

Leon's just getting fucking hammered. How many clean shots has he landed? My God. I mean, it's just constant bang, bang, bang. The crowd's like, God damn it. Oh, even from here. He's generating some power from here. Not a lot of time. Let's go for a choke here, baby. Maybe he goes for an armbar. Yeah, let's go for something. I mean, he hears the claps. Grab a hold of that fucking right arm.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

114.312

He's also running for president.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11437.503

Leon's just waiting it out. Sean's doing it, too. Look at it. Sean's taking some big, deep breaths here. He's burning up a lot of energy. He's tired from beating his ass. Yeah, he's exhausted from beating the shit out of him. Domination by Sean. I mean, Leon's got to probably stop him or get some 10-8 rounds. That was a crazy bad shot. Crazy shot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11454.194

And just not a good decision to make against this guy. Early in the round. And then he's eating just hammers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11483.098

Then ran to the cage. Yeah. Dean Thomas in the fucking house. Love Dean Thomas. Yeah, he's awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11504.043

It starts standing, and he landed shots in the second and the third. He's just got to not let him take him down. He looks good, though. He doesn't look exhausted.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11515.106

No. Nor did Bilal. No. I think Sean's on another level now, you know? Yeah, that loss, he really... Like, he really talked heavily with me about his mental coaching and how much of an effect it had on... Oh, did you have him in here? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I forget his coach. Do you remember his coach? His mental coach? Yeah. Jamie, can you find it? Because that guy's very good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11536.123

I've watched some of his stuff online.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11539.425

I do not. Oh, good elbow by Sean. Oh, Sean's teeing him up on the feet now. That's trouble. Oh, my goodness. Sean just can't get... Oh, there you go. There's a shot. Good shot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11550.623

Well, you know, I'd have to have him explain it. I don't want to butcher it, but it was all about strategies to keep him focused and on track. Brian Cain as his mental coach. Brian Cain, peak performance. Affirmation here, man. affirmation training, developing custom affirmations to enforce positive talk, build confidence, mind control techniques.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11575.297

I mean, sometimes fighters just need a framework that they keep with them in a fight. So if something goes sideways, they can get back on track. Yeah, something to get you back to home base. Yeah, because sometimes fighters just lose their train of thought. They lose their focus. They get into a downward spiral in their head, and then they find themselves not completely going for the guillotine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1159.798

Right, but if they came up with an organization that came up with the most money and said, but here's the rules, we're going to go USADA.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11595.709

Look at this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11598.431

One-armed guillotine. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11605.032

Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. He's about to tap. Oh, oh, oh, oh. He's got the hands now. Oh, now he's fucked. He tapped. He tapped. Wow. Sean fucking Brady. Woo. Holy shit, what a performance. Dude, shut out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11627.647

Shut out against one of the best of all time in the division, former champion, beats his ass, and submits him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11650.004

When is Bilal fighting Jack? Two months? Is that two months? Yeah. Where's that at? I don't know. See if Jamie could find it. Fucking unbelievable, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11669.548

I won't be there. I don't go to Canada anymore. I don't. No, nor should you. Uh-uh. No, discipline. Yeah, I'd rather go to Russia. Yeah, fuck yeah. Hell yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11684.838

That's so crazy to ask them to be the 51st state. I had a conversation with Trump about it. He goes, I started calling him Governor Trudeau just for fun, and a lot of people were saying it's a good idea. I'm like, maybe it is a good idea. A lot of people say it. Look at this fucking squeeze, man. Did you ever work with a mental coach, Gordon? No. You seem pretty mentally fucking strong.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

117.037

He might. He might. I mean, I could see him doing it. That would blow Bare Knuckle right through the stratosphere. I mean, they'd have to pay him. They'd have to pay. Him versus Jeremy Stephens? Oh, my goodness. Jeremy would have to win a couple more times, but Jeremy's back in the UFC.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11716.56

Do you have? Moments in your past where you had a lap lapse of concentration and then you realized never do that again Yes, like I'm pretty good at like analyzing mistakes and

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11770.019

So just you accelerated your skill set so far beyond that you just were so confident that you didn't need to...

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11806.676

Well, that's why you like those no time limit fights, right? Like the Felipe fight?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11853.701

Gangster.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11855.362

Yeah, crazy. And it's crazy, too, that you lay out the blueprint of what to do. Train 365 days a year, constantly study, constantly go over positions, constantly drill things, constantly improve upon techniques. And then you put the techniques out, and you put them out in instructionals, and people still can't fuck with it. Well, that's what everyone always talks about.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11903.192

They can't do it. Isn't that interesting? You can give them the tools, but they won't build the house.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11922.987

No one? No one at all?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

11938.979

It's so interesting that the thing that you would need is just a work ethic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12000.136

What's going on? You were telling me your stomach's getting better now?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12015.61

I can't believe no one has found a solution to that. That's wild. Have you run your blood work through ChatGPT? Have you done any of that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12049.631

It's crazy that it all comes from antibiotics.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12061.064

By far, yeah. But you're not supposed to do them the way you did them, right? You're not supposed to take antibiotics for a year.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12123.687

Mental toughness can sometimes fuck you up. Yeah. Have you ever thought about trying like a long fast?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12149.198

Whoa.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12151.699

That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12201.75

Crazy that you're still able to operate at such a high level with such a giant fucking problem that would really end most people's careers. It is what it is. Everybody's got their issues. I know, but I just can't imagine that with all the resources of the world that someone hasn't reached out to us as a solution. It's a tummy ache, man. You know what I mean?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12220.794

Isn't it kind of crazy that you think that no one, there's not one guy out there in Australia or some shit. Let's figure it out. Let's figure it out. It's that same issue? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12273.115

So this other doctor that said this is what's wrong with you, what was his solution?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1229.633

Yeah. So is one still doing a lot of grappling? I know they've got the Rutolos. Rutolos. Mikey's gone. I think Cade's doing MMA now. Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12328.766

Oh, God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12331.808

Fun times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12336.485

And what is your thoughts on competing again?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12354.762

And there's nothing you can do differently than what you're doing now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1239.22

He looks like a demon out there. Cade looks like a savage. Grappling is so much better than everybody else's. He's fucking people up striking. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah, it's like having a guy like that that's that elite with grappling and also young enough to learn striking and just wild. Wild, aggressive dudes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12461.478

Have they ever tried oral BPC-157?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12465.421

Yeah?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12469.586

I'm going to try the shop method. Whatever they tell you the dose is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12477.331

Let's see what happens with a whole bottle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

12482.754

My flight's at 730, Joe. All right, Doc. Let's wrap this up. All right. Thank you, everybody. Love you guys. See you guys. Love you, too. See you. Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1285.604

For everybody watching at home, first fight is right about to start. And we are... Mark Goddard is waiting to kick it off. He's moving to the center of the octagon now. And it goes. And the time is 4.57, 4.56, 4.55, 4.54, 4.53. We're off. How do you say that dude's name? Shariri? Shariri? Shariri? Shariri. Shariri. This is in London?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

132.819

El Matador has been my, oh, he's changed his nickname. He's got a new identity. When we announce it, you won't believe it. Get ready.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1320.674

Let's go. Tell me a little bit about these guys. I don't know much. I didn't study this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1345.754

Yeah, that's what they should be saying. But I think John's going to hold out as long as he can to make the most money.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1359.769

No, that's kind of crazy. 500 days is kind of crazy. 500 days is wild. It's kind of crazy. And John said he wants six months to train.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1372.639

Yeah, but I mean, John is so meticulous in his preparation. Like, you've worked with John. You trained with him when he was getting ready for Stipe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

142.143

Yeah, you got it, but that was a while ago. That's March 6th. You know, what is today? Today's the 22nd.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1439.16

Oh, he's so fast to Aspinall like as a heavyweight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1455.948

When was that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1458.97

It was undefeated in the UFC? Heel hook before the UFC? Yeah. Interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1469.662

No kidding. Was it an amateur fight or was it a pro fight? It was a pro fight, I believe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

148.806

Yeah, I don't know. You know, I don't know. Like, if I, a perfect matchup is Gaethje. I think Charles Oliveira. Oh, that's a motherfucker. That's a great matchup. That's a great matchup.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1480.79

Right. There's no one to tell.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1483.772

It's never been worse.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1509.033

So here it is. Who's this guy?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1540.603

It's got to go with a dead orchard, right? It doesn't work. Does it ever work in MMA? Has anybody pulled it off in MMA?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1597.455

What's the Mexican dead orchard? How does it work?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

163.817

Right. So I don't think it's Gaethje. Oh, right. Oh, they're going to stop this. Oh, man. That's a nasty cut. Horrible place, too. Oh, boy. But this is the last round. I think the fight's over. It might be over, yeah. Oh, there you go. Dustin Poirier. No, Dustin's fighting Max. He is? I think so, for the BMF shit. Really? I think. Double check that, David. That's a great fight, too. I'm crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1719.558

Who do you think has the best guard in MMA? Is it Oliveira or Paul Craig? Paul Craig's got a fucking pretty nasty guard.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1735.59

There's so few.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1740.557

Fabricio Verdum is the overlooked goat heavyweight. I would say Paul Craig. Yeah. On Goliath and Jamal Hill. He's got two world champions. Armbarred both of them. Triangled them. Armbarred them. Very impressive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1755.95

Remember Jamal's arm was flopping all over the place and he's beating on him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1766.578

And I'm sure Gordon would like to point out that he beat Craig Jones in competition.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1775.005

That was one of them deals where you couldn't do heel hooks, though, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1796.519

Yeah, his back is like extra muscles. What do these do?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1805.028

Did he answer that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1807.531

Oh, boy. You got to educate yourself. Well, Leon was saying at the weigh-ins he's too small. I'm going to take him out. Like, he might be shorter than you. Yeah. He's a fucking chimp. Yeah. He gets a hold of you. You got real problems. Remember what he did to Kelvin? Yeah, dude. He manhandled Kelvin. And Gilbert Burns. Kelvin's a hell of a wrestler. Yeah, hell yeah. Hell of a wrestler.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1831.027

Joe Pfeiffer says it. Yeah. And Joe Pfeiffer's fucking huge. Huge. That's a guy we're like, how the fuck do you make 85? Wow. How do you make 85?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

186.027

The third go-around.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

193.91

I think it's too much of a struggle. He got pretty big when he got up to fight Gaethje. He put the weight on right. He looked fantastic. He looked fantastic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

205.256

Yeah, he was beating his ass. And it all started off with that jump spinning back kick to the face in the first round. Fucked up Gaethje's already fixed nose.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2132.749

Also, wrestlers have such an advantage of being able to manipulate bodies.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2156.366

He beat the shit out of him. Remember when we talked to him to go into a big camp? Do you remember that conversation?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2169.958

We were hanging out, and he was saying, what do you think I should do? I said, you're too good. You need to be at a big camp. You need to be around killers. You're so good, you're going to get by a long way on your own. I go, but you need high-level coaching. You're a world champion. Did you recommend Jackson to him? I did not. He found Jackson's. Well, Jackson's was huge at the time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

218.143

Sure. Take my money. The thing is, you got to wonder, like, how much did that Ilya Teporyan knockout take out of Max? True. Because that was a beating. True. Ilya's just so fucking dangerous. He's so technical. Like, his striking, the way he's, like, bobbing in and moving, he's so comfortable with his head movement. You see he's, like, a step ahead of everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2191.236

It's such a great gym. I mean, you can't go wrong with those guys. And Greg is just such a great mind for strategy. And a good guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2201.044

And Winklejohn. Winklejohn was a legit, legit kickboxer in his day. Winklejohn was a legit kickboxer. He fought Johnny Terrio. He was legit, man. Winkle John's a legit striker. And then you got all those other people over there too. It's like such a killer lineup.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2218.702

Yeah, you were. Yeah. Yeah. I think his heyday is still going on, man. Especially at heavyweight. We just don't know. He's not active enough. Yeah. It's really, there's one fight, man. There's one fight. And then after that, it's like, oh. After that, they got to fucking, they got to scour.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2244.187

Right. Who's going to beat him? You get Francis to come back. The Saudis. Come along.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2250.812

The Saudis come along with that. Francis is going to fight Wilder.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2254.315

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2294.422

Savage. How confident are you of victory when you're already practicing your victory dance? Pretty confident. Pretty confident.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2310.072

Oh, I was laughing so hard. How did that fight end?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2345.487

No, that sounds terrible. No, I hate fun. I need better friends.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2354.418

My kid had baseball.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2393.611

I said, my wife's making me go. They play a lot of games.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2413.711

This is my favorite way to watch fights.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2423.82

Was Elon there, too? I believe he was. Dude, dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

243.33

Well, I think the 45-pound cut is, look, man, they should all stop cutting weight. That's the reality. Cutting weight is bullshit. It's terrible for you. They need more weight classes, and they need to stop cutting weight. They need to figure out a way to check hydration levels and put people in a weight class and say, this is what you have to do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2475.319

He basically said, I want him in the election.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2483.521

Very interesting times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2489.343

That was crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2491.304

We're so bad.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2492.965

We're so bad. That day was insane. It was a great day.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2516.14

That's the coolest shit ever. That's amazing. John Jones. Savage. The GOAT. The GOAT. Yeah. The GOAT now. No doubt.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2527.46

If he beats Aspinall, everybody has to shut the fuck up forever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2542.651

Look at the line. It's like Tom Aspinall's a slight favorite. That's kind of crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2548.052

Look at Marab over Sean. Yeah. Ooh, 350 to win.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2555.337

Are they doing Marab and Sean again?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2561.141

They are, huh? When is that happening? I don't know, but that's got to be July, right? Yeah, probably. That Islam Topiria. I don't think that's happening. No, Islam's going up to 70. Is he? Interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2588.055

Oh, shit, look at that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2589.977

Oh, she's amazing. Top female grappler. I just don't recognize her all dolled up. She's amazing, dude. I saw her McKenzie Dern bout.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

263.995

One's backed off MMA like they have a big Muay Thai fight tonight Yeah, they're really focused on kickboxing Muay Thai I think in Asia that gets a lot of numbers big time and they put on fucking shows man Yeah, there's a there's a huge one tonight huge one kickboxing and Muay Thai fights I think the UFC fucked up when they went with slap fighting and

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2655.006

So we'll see what happens with that one. There's a lot of good fights coming up. I'm wondering what they're going to do with Toporia. But I like what you were saying, Toporia versus Oliveira.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2668.71

So dangerous everywhere. Dangerous striking. Huge reach advantage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2682.855

Is that what it is? Yeah. Really? 45 is too tough for him. But he's been doing it and winning. He's just sick of it. Yeah, I would imagine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2698.564

What was he weighing when he was fighting 45? What was he walking around at?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2707.83

Big out of gear, man. Yeah, but those guys are real big. Like, Islam's huge.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2714.536

He would cut to 55. Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2735.835

He's fucking huge, bro. Huge. Yeah, he's huge. He's so big.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2753.157

They say he fought with a broken hand and norovirus against Ankaliev. He fought with a broken toe before. When he beat Yuri Prohaska, he had a fucked up knee. Remember when he went and he tumbled at the end of the fight? That's because his knee wouldn't support him. He was basically fighting on one leg in the first fight. Then he gets surgery.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2774.236

I guess it was probably meniscus because he came back pretty quick. Walk around weight, 231 pounds. That's crazy. Stacked, dude. And he looks 231. When you stand next to him, he looks like a heavyweight. He'd go up 205. Oh, easy. Easily. Easy 205. He has the strength for it, too. And bully people. Yeah. Yeah. Get you some. He's a scary dude. He's going to be a problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2792.765

Because he confused everybody. Everybody's like, oh, this guy's all awkward and shit. He's going to get pieced up. Nope. Especially, like, you know, we watch so many fights. I'd see his style. I'm like, oh, he's going to get exposed eventually. And then you just see him, you're like, what the fuck?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2804.548

fuck when we saw him early in his career he did not have a nose his nose was cardio is bad yeah his mouth was wide open all the time and then he got that nose fixed and then all man i remember when i got mine fixed i was like why didn't i do this a long time ago he had like 10 more cardio instantly

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2825.075

Out of his nose, maybe. Out of his nose. I believe that. And then he got it fixed, and the motherfucker's unstoppable. Rockhold just did something online where they did a scan inside of his nose. I saw that. It's all gone. His whole nose is just completely clogged. Yeah. Because it's like your ears. You get cauliflower ear, that shit, the same thing happens inside your nose.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

284.364

I've been telling them forever, you guys should get into kickboxing. If you only like stand-up fights. It's not like the old days of kickboxing where they were boring, like P.K. Karate. There's characters, man. And the knockouts are fucking crazy. Also, all your champs are coming from kickboxing. Yeah. Alex, Izzy. Like, you're some monsters.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2842.468

The blood pools up and it calcifies and you just get rocks inside your nose. Your nose is just a big fucking closed, like a tunnel that caved in on miners.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2855.352

Yeah?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2864.459

Cute button nose.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2866.822

So does Eddie. Has anybody thrown a lot of money at you to try to get you to do MMA?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2878.765

Oh, Bare Knuckle. Was it Masvidal's thing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2885.068

Dean, probably?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2905.517

That was happening, dog. That was happening. Take my money. Fuck, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2922.384

GFL's got everybody. Chris Weidman's like, I'm retired. And then GFL called him. I was like, I'm unretired.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2941.718

But, dude, they got old guys. Don't test them. No, be cool. What the fuck are we doing? Be nice. WWE, yeah, yeah. Let's go back to the old days. But you got Dylan Danis, Tony Ferguson. I like you, Doug. Ooh, that's a good fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2960.089

Here it is. No chance.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2971.244

That could be 65.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2978.551

Their weight classes are different. We pulled it up the other day. Middleweight is 200 pounds. So maybe... Oh, look.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

2987.997

Well, let's see. Pull up GFL weight classes, Jamie. I think they're definitely different.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3007.31

Athletes can earn a fair share of the revenue generated from events, ensuring their success is directly linked to league success. Dang.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3022.721

They all get 50-50? Yeah, they all get it. Jamie, can you just Google GFL's weight classes and see if a website explains it? I'm on their website. I know, but I don't think they have it on their website. So are they splitting the profit?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

303.137

Kickboxing with MMA gloves in a cage would be giant in the UFC. Just have a striking-only segment of the UFC.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3048.055

See, featherweight goes up to 55. Lightweight is 65. Welterweight's 80. So how's Dylan Dance making 65? That's what I'm saying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3061.52

I like their light heavyweight, 225.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3067.782

Maybe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3072.443

All right, well, that's not good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3074.824

How does KSI pull out against Dylan Danis? Dylan's not a boxer. KSI's a pretty good boxer. He's legit for those kind of guys. For his, yes. He's a good boxer. For that class, yes. Did he fight Tommy Fury? Or was he going to? He was going to, and then something happened, right? I think. But KSI looks legit to me. Like, out of those guys? For the influencer stuff? Yeah. He's legit. He's got hands.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3099.768

Yeah. But Dylan is not a boxer. So it's crazy that he would... You'd think he could be not even at his best to take that fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3116.401

I saw. Got some new coronavirus? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it has a breeze strip on. Oh. See what he's saying? See what he's saying? Put it on. We can hear him. What is going on?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

314.244

Glory's got some elite fighters, man. I watch Glory all the time. I love it. It's fucking exciting, but nobody's watching it. Nobody knows who these people are. You just got to educate the crowd. Put the same amount of resources you did in the slap fight into kickboxing and we're cooking. Right. Because they're doing it with jiu-jitsu. Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3146.366

Okay, he's sick. Sounds legit. Yeah. The breathe strip does it. I've been sleeping with mouth tape. You tape your mouth shut? Yeah. So you just breathe through your nose? I can't do that. Game changer. Game changer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3162.546

It's not just for snoring. It's like you feel better when you wake up. You feel more rested. Really? Yeah, man. It's amazing. I love it. I just started doing it the last two weeks. How does it work? What does it look like? I just put a black piece. It's called hostage tape. I put a black piece of tape over my mouth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3178.295

We're both hostage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3185.168

You just use any tape, or is it special tape? No, it's special tape for mouth taping. There's a bunch of companies that make mouth tape. But this company, Hostage Tape, sent me a shitload. And it doesn't fall off? No. It has before, but I keep an extra one by the bed. If it falls off, I just slap it in. When I get like this, like this much stubble, I kind of have to shave.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3202.937

So it sticks. You would have a little bit of an issue with your beard. It probably wouldn't stick that good. That's why Hitler did his mustache that way, so he could fit a gas mask. That's real. No. Yeah, yeah. Shut the fuck up. Jamie, look it up. Is that real? Yeah, I know my shit. Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3228.167

Yeah, mustard gas. Bro, that First World War was nuts. The first time they decided to use giant fans and gas people. Toothpaste mustache, family associated. It said it originated from military order. Trims large mustache to facilitate wearing a gas mask.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3256.023

Ever. No one ever said shit. That's cool. You're cool. In a commercial. You're Michael Jordan. That's cool. It's just funny that that mustache is gone forever. You know? Didn't he fight before?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3269.073

Mustard gas.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3276.968

The craziest thing about the gas thing, the guy who invented Zyklon A, which became Zyklon B, which they killed the Jews with, that guy, Fritz Haber, who was a Jew himself, he originally, when he invented this... He also invented the Haber method for extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere. The Haber method is responsible for 50% of the nitrogen in most people's bodies.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

33.74

It's normal time. They're seven hours ahead. Yeah, so it's nighttime there. So it's like 10 p.m. right now. It's normal. Are they six hours ahead or seven hours ahead? I thought it was seven. Something like that. But either way, it's nighttime there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3302.359

Because the Haber method of extracting nitrogen made it so they could fertilize all kinds of soil. So he invents that, and he also invents this gas that kills everybody at the same time. And there's no odor, right? Well, Zyklon B, there's no odor. Zyklon A was invented, I think it was a pesticide.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

332.224

They put how many millions of dollars in Jiu-Jitsu and they even have more of a budget for it? A lot of it's Eddie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3323.659

And the idea was the smell was so awful so that you would recognize when it was there and you'd get the fuck away from it. Then Zyklon B, they got rid of the smell. But when they were gassing the troops, he was being wanted for crimes against humanity, for war crimes. At the same time, he was going to win the Nobel Prize for inventing the Haber method. That's wild. Wild.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3346.052

And then when Hitler takes over, the Jews all get kicked out of Germany. And he's kind of sort of privileged because he's a part of the administration. But then he gets ostracized and he winds up having to be and winds up being exiled and he dies on the run. He died on the run? Died on the run. Died running away from the Nazis. Jesus, man. Yeah. Wild. Crazy story.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3368.435

Dude, have we talked about the JFK files? Not yet, no. No one has. No. I mean, we talked about a little bit yesterday, but I don't know anything groundbreaking. Nothing, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3399.367

Well, I read one thing that the CIA, within a week or two, had dismissed the idea of a single shooter. I read one thing. They're like, no, it was more than one shooter. Like, this was the- Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

340.77

Yeah. Mikey Musumichi. A lot of it is not mine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3415.481

Allegedly. But here's the thing. What part of the CIA? So if you're involved in killing the president, you're not telling Mike down the hallway. It's a small group. You have an enormous fucking office filled with thousands of employees. It's not like everybody's like, hey, get a meeting. That Irish guy, fuck him. We're going to take him for a ride through Dallas and shoot him in the fucking head.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3434.969

Let's go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3441.132

We're fighting on sight. They were fucking, huh? Wasn't that after she was slapping? That was after Kennedy was dead. A month later.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3455.14

That's cool. Oh, bro. I think everybody was fucking everybody back then. God, good times. They were wild people. There was no social media. No one's a snitch. I mean, everybody knew that Kennedy was fucking everybody. It was all the press knew. Nobody said anything. NMLK.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3474.09

And the brother did. She was fucking both brothers, dude. And that's a fact. That's a fact. That's not a conspiracy theory. Fact. Fact. That's crazy. And that's probably why she died. She probably started writing a memoir. And they're like, it's a wrap.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

349.217

I know we're boys, but you were really the one to navigate all that. With Fight Pass, that was huge. Yeah, it was a big deal. Having the UFC get involved heavily in jiu-jitsu is huge. Are you still doing stuff with them?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3497.046

Really? They were both fucking her, yeah. Hilarious. Hilarious. People were wild back then. Wild boys. No accountability. You get away with it. And if you're the president, that's the reason why the president's wanted to fuck. Despite rumors and speculation, no definitive proof of an affair.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3513.198

Was this Google, Jamie? This is, yeah. Yeah, it's a reputable news source. You didn't see the documentary on Netflix then. Definitely no proof. Yeah, I mean, no speculation. Let it go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3532.108

It's going to take a while for the nerds to really go through it and figure it out. Oh, Candace Owen's been through it, I bet. Has she been through it? I would assume. Well, she's too busy with the Macron thing. I watched two hours of that today. Me too. Have you seen her? Macron's a man. Yeah, Bridget Macron's a man. She got you. Yeah, she got me. Candace got me. She got me hook, line, sinker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3550.921

I was eating breakfast today. Yeah, I do the same shit. I was eating elk steaks, watching Candace Owens on my fucking YouTube.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3562.943

Yes, I watched the first episode of that. Bro. Crazy. It's crazy. So you can't believe I'm on Harvey Weinstein's side. Right? Crazy. I thought he was guilty of heinous crimes. And then you listen to it and you're like, wait, what? What is going on? When they go through the actual affidavit and what the girl's accusing him for, you're like, what the fuck? He didn't have testicles.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3583.091

Yeah, she was talking about his testicles. He doesn't have them. Like, there's all these, like, things that should have been, that should have, like, completely thrown out a lot of her claims. Like, she was talking about he made me, like, hold his balls or something like that. He doesn't have balls. He doesn't have balls. His balls are, like, literally, like, inside of his thigh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3601.305

When he was, like, 30 years old, they had to get rid of them. He's got a terrible disease that's like gangrene of the dick. Oh, my God. Have you ever heard of it? Never heard of it. Oh, he's got this crazy disease where your dick is basically like rotting off, which is kind of crazy for a guy who's like obviously a sex addict. Your dick starts rotting away, and then you still whip it out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3619.618

You're whipping out a zombie dick. It's a mess. It's a mess. What is that actually called? Prosecutors revealed to the jury that Weinstein underwent surgery in 99 for Fournier's gangrene, which required doctors to remove some of his scrotum. That surgery caused a pretty noticeable scarring because of an infection. His testicles were actually taken from his scrotum and put into his inner thighs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3641.886

So you go through the reports and they're like, yeah, he made me suck on his balls. Well, that's a problem. Whoa. There's a lot of problems. The lady was a grifter. The lady, allegedly, was going back and forth from rich guy to rich guy, trying to get things happening, and Harvey put her in a few things. That was Harvey's move, apparently. He'd put you in a few things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3663.27

But, like, Whitney told me that he would make deals with ladies. Like, look, suck my dick, I'll get you an Oscar. Being Batman. And they would suck his dick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3670.757

And he would get him an Oscar. And this was the thing where everybody thanked him. Thank you, Harvey. That actually happened? Yeah. He gave an actress an Oscar? Well, he didn't give him an Oscar. He gave him an Oscar award winning role in a Miramax film, which is going to be a blockbuster film, which pretty much gets you real close.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3688.666

And then there's the influence of it being a Harvey Weinstein movie. He was the king at the time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3693.148

everybody followed his lead like when you know you have big movies like Pulp Fiction and those kind of films that Miramax produced they produced bangers you go back and look at the Miramax library banger after banger when Harvey Weinstein was because Quentin Tarantino yeah I mean it's just like the wildest movies from the wildest dude you know who is clearly a sex addict he's like if you want to be a lead in Pulp Fiction gonna suck these balls in my thigh

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3723.649

I mean, it's fucking wild. And he just was in the wrong place at the wrong time. If this happened in the 80s, they probably would have thrown it out. But in the Me Too movement, it was a hot witch hunt. There was a lot of people that got in deep shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

374.69

And get to know the guys.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3757.096

Real. That one's wild. You've been following the Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively thing? Bro, Blake Lively. Talk about ruining your reputation and Ryan Reynolds. Yeah, they fucked up. Ryan's trying to get out of it now. He's trying to get out of the lawsuit, and they're like, you are a key part of this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3775.81

Because they were trying to take over the movie. Yeah. They were trying to take over the movie and the whole franchise. He owned the franchise. They're fucked, man. The whole thing's crazy. They're fucked. And he's suing the New York Times, and he's got a great case there, too. He's going hard in the paint. But that's what it takes. It's what it takes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3788.376

Yeah. He's like, all right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3805.385

How about she told him to come into the dressing room while she was breastfeeding? And then part of the complaint was that he came into the dressing room while I was breastfeeding. You literally have a text exchange back and forth. They just never thought that anybody was going to come out with the receipts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

381.613

Yeah. Boy, it's hard to get people to watch those reality shows these days. I think people kind of burned out on reality shows.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3822.599

Because everyone's scared. Because Ryle Reynolds, A-list. Blake Lively, A-list. Like, don't. They're the queens.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3832.087

It's 2025.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3839.696

We missed the favorite get choked out. I'm going to get a Coke real quick. You don't want anything? Nope.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3847.326

All right, I'll wait for you to take a piss so we're not all gone. We're going to miss you, Eddie. It'd be cool if we grabbed me a Coke, right? Go grab him a Coke, Eddie. I'll wait until he's out there. That'd be cool. Oh, dude, I haven't seen one up there yet. One, two, three. Oh, that's a belt, bro. That's the Gordon Ryan belt, motherfuckers. Right there. That's badass. Prominent position.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3865.721

Yeah, that looks awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3879.342

First one I've ever seen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3881.863

830, yeah. Ooh. Coyote 5. So fun. Is it manual? Yeah, of course. What am I, a communist? It's manual.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3889.724

I know, but they make the Super Snake. Which is why I bought it. I would have bought a GT500, but there was one company that was doing a swap. They were doing a six-speed swap on a GT500. I almost bought that. But then I thought about it. I was like, I don't want any Frankenstein cars. I don't know how this works. Computer stuff. Weird shit. Because, you know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

389.302

They're shooting The Ultimate Fighter. They got to give up on that, bro. And when did you watch that? I don't know where you watch it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3908.908

It's not designed for that, but the Super Snake is designed for it. Oh, it auto blips on the downshifts. It's nice. Sounds nice. Oh, it sounds like war. It sounds like a real American muscle car, but it's modern. So it's like it has all the feel of a muscle car that works.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3924.545

when you hit the gas a fucking giant power great handling great handling the brakes are great yeah but it's also real comfortable to drive suspension is beautiful yeah it's a great fucking car and it's just so good looking oh it's so fun i love it i love it it's it's such an american car

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3951.419

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3956.784

I know it's a problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3958.145

Cars are a real problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

397.171

Is it? I haven't watched it in forever. No one does. I watch the finals. I watch the finals to see how good the guys are and see where they're at. I watch Dana White's Contender Series probably more.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

3995.297

That's yours? That's mine. What color is that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4005.541

That looks good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4008.402

Oh, so you were right there when it happened?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4021.029

That one's sick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4026.794

That's another classic American car. I mean, the Jeeps look exactly like Jeeps, and they have like that for, they look updated, but it's kind of like a 911. That's what I was just going to say. Like Porsche.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4038.884

You know what's the most Googled truck in the world? Oh, I believe it. A Wrangler. Yeah. They have like a Colt following. Also, there's so much customization available for those things because they've been around for so long. They're like Lego cars. Yeah, you can't go wrong. So much shit for them. You can't go wrong with that. Have you ever seen the America's Most Wanted Jeeps?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4055.976

Oh, where they toss the Hellcat in them? Oh, yeah, baby. They put 1,200 horsepower in those bitches. That's my shit. Yeah, and they do up the suspension and, you know, map everything out perfect. Were you going to get one or no? Yeah, I'm still too busy. Too many things. I love how I call you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4079.395

Yeah, there's one. Look at that. That's 1,000 horsepower. That has the health engine. Those things are wild. Yeah, they make some wild ones. 260 stock. Are you going to get the new ZR1? I want to. I should. But I shouldn't. But I will.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4105.924

His wife's driving it. That's a horsepower Ferrari. All black. Yeah. I just kind of stop driving automatic cars. Unless it's my Tesla.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

412.904

Because they're super hyped. They have insane motivation. They have this unbelievable opportunity. If they do that, they could skyrocket into the UFC.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4122.273

Don't say the Tesla. I don't know. The Tesla, if I want to get there quick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4126.556

If I want to get there quick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4129.177

Unplugged performance. Flipping you off and shit. I know, the Nazi. You don't want them drawing Nazi signs on it. You don't have too much of a problem with that in Austin.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4142.606

Yeah, just because.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4144.727

Oh, now I want one. Now you fucked up. It's so stupid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4154.639

Yeah. People have done that. They've put V8s, they've dropped V8s in Teslas.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4165.703

It's a disaster. Rich Rebuilds did one. And then it's just slower. Yeah. Yeah, it's silly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4177.927

flat six porsche like stick no no of course of course right it's not all especially the air-cooled ones yeah it's just not all about that especially those old ones are so light you feel everything you're dealing with a 2 000 pound car even if it only has 250 horsepower it's so fun it's different it's so it's so different it's like a you're an amusement park ride you know it's like

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4201.098

it's just like it feels like you could die at any point but then you look down you're doing like 35 miles yeah yeah like my hummer it's not the fastest but fuck it's cool man yeah fuck there's nothing like i forgot you got a hummer what's in that thing uh 6.0 power stroke fully built aren't there gas turbo aren't there electric hummers now Yeah. Those are great, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4219.872

The new GMCs, those are fucking great. Red Band has one of those. It's fucking awesome. They crab walk.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4233.917

Yeah, he loves it, though. It's fast as shit, too, for a big-ass fucking truck. They're so fast. So hard. Crazy fast. So fast. But huge. It's an enormous truck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

425.971

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4258.653

They sell them, like, a year later for, like, $70. Over $200. They lose so much value. I lost my... Crazy value. Why is that? Because nobody wants to buy a used electric car because the range drops off. So, like, say if you buy a Corvette, right? You buy, like, a 2000. You can buy a 2017 Corvette, like a ZR1. They're still really expensive. Super expensive. Is ZR1 a manual from, like, 2017?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4281.04

It's like... Yeah. You'd be $300,000 right now. Right now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4294.769

Right. Minimum. But that's different because that's like a classic. It's 20 years old. But a new car. Say if you get a new AMG GT and it's a 2025. You sell it next year, you're not going to lose much money. If you sell a Ferrari, you'll lose no money. Right. Like if you buy a Ferrari today and you sell it in a year and you got a thousand miles on it, you'll make money. Porsche make money.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

430.673

Yeah. So dudes go for it, bro. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4317.906

Porsche is the best. But if you have a fucking electric car, like Audis, those e-trons, those are sick. Even Tesla plaids. Sick cars. Tesla plaids, I can get cheap. A friend of mine got one of those and he got like a year old one for like 70 grand. And brand new. It's like $150 or something like that. It's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4339.409

It's so expensive. Big problem. So expensive. Swapping batteries. And they still have battery. For the most part, you're not driving 250 miles. If you have a plug at home, if you plug it in at home, you have a supercharger at your house, which I do for my car. It's great. I just get it home, plug it in. It's always good to go. And it gets fully charged.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

434.994

I mean, there's so many champs. A lot of people came from there. Jamal Hill.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4358.701

I think my car gets like 350 miles if you drive like a grandma. But... For normal day-to-day, you just stick it in there. You never go to the gas station. It's awesome. See, but fuck all that noise.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4369.246

Yeah, as long as you're not road tripping it. If you're road tripping it, you've got to really map it out, especially if you don't have a Tesla. Because then you have to find all these other rando super stations.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4388.474

There's a few great options that aren't Teslas. One is Lucid. You've seen Lucid Air? Yeah, those are cool. They make them super high-end.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4396.916

Does he really? Yeah. Yeah, they're very nice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4416.764

Did someone have to come and help it out?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4421.126

It was like resetting your phone. Oh, wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4431.399

No, that's a good question, like EMF, right? It's a good question, because if your phone... Is that a real problem? If you're not supposed to have your phone by your head, you're not supposed to have... Yeah, I mean, your whole car is a big-ass phone. I don't know. That's why the people... That's a real problem? But according to people like RFK Jr.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4448.269

and many other people, don't think that you should have earpods in. You should have the wired ones only. And even those are not the best thing to have. You should just listen to things like on a Bluetooth speaker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4467.666

Bro, so many people are going to jail right now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4475.254

Yes. Yeah. Century mode. Yeah. Seven cameras. It's so wild. Yeah. Fully HD cameras. See your face. There's so many guys that have gotten busted. Have you seen that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4495.37

That guy was looking for an excuse to rub shit on things. He probably goes home and jerks off with his own shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

450.84

Is that illegal? No. No. Definitely not illegal. No. They do it now with performance bonuses. They would help a little bit, I think.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4538.002

Tesla mini homes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4542.895

That shit gets Callan, though, Eddie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4545.096

Yeah, it gets Callan all the time. Yeah, there's fucking AI. They get me, man. I asked Elon like five times, are you making a phone? Wait a minute.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4568.827

Dead serious. So they show a little house. Well, there's boxable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4575.691

That's not AI? Oh, yeah. I mean, you could buy a house for $10,000 now. If you're just like a single dude who has a plot of land, just park that house with solar. You could literally live off the grid in a little bullshit house. Like that? Is that what? And then you get Starlink. Is that real?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4594.941

It looks like an egg. That's AI, Doug. Wow, they got me good. Those little tiny houses that you could buy, if you were just a dude living by yourself, and you're like, I don't need nothing. If you're young, it'd be dope. Yeah, man. They're not expensive. Like somebody leaves you a little plot of land, you got a couple acres somewhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4614.349

Sit on your front porch and say, fuck the world. I own this whole thing. I own this. No mortgage? Yeah, no mortgage, $10,000 house, and it's nice. What do you need? Do you need a kitchen? Do you need a TV? What the fuck do you need? If you're a single guy, you need a bed, you need a TV, unless you're trying to get mad pussy. If you're trying to get mad pussy, then you need a long driveway.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4635.474

That's where you're fucking up, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4638.896

You need a fountain. All the dudes are like, this is dope. The chick's like, good luck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4644.939

A tiny house is a no-go. Like, why do you have a tiny house? Like, what's going on? Can I see your bank account? How much do you make? Are you going to be able to feed my babies?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4661.987

All AI generated. That's interesting. Wow, that right there, that's what I saw. That would be a dope podcast studio to put in the middle of nowhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4677.671

yeah it's it's a little drug den yeah that's exactly what i saw and it's like a little five minute mini documentary commercial yeah they go deep in there they got you well they get you man these ai things are nuts man i haven't been fooled yet yeah i've i've seen ai things with my own voice on i'm like wow this is crazy and i know it's fake you know speaking speaking of fakery when you had mel gibson on your podcast the other day uh

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

469.559

I don't know if you want to say it. UFL does that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

471.601

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4722.304

Yeah, it literally has the image of Jesus burned into it somehow or another.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

473.122

What's UFL now? What do you mean? PFL? No, UFL. What's UFL? UFL is where, like, Tony Ferguson, Dale and Danis is fighting. I thought that was GFL.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4733.093

Well, apparently it's a lot older than they assumed when they did the first testing. And one of the problems is there's cross-contamination. There's also been repairs to it. But they did subsequent testing, and they found that it was like 2,000-plus years old.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4778.712

Yeah, it's pretty crazy. If it turns out that they can't figure out how anyone could ever do it. If no one has come up with a theory of how to do that today, that's where it gets really interesting. Because it wasn't paint and it wasn't dye.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4832.705

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

484.011

Oh, okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4861.255

Yeah, the right one's the back and the left one's the front. That's crazy. No one knows how they did it. No scientists. The holes where the wrist would be nailed. Yeah, it's fucking crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

489.576

Bro, we were talking about the one fight that I'm interested in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

49.885

Yeah, Jai Herbert's the guy that head kicked Ilya Teporia. Knocked him out? He dropped him. No, he dropped him out. Vicious head kick, and then Ilya fucking starched him in the next round.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

492.198

And Musashi. That's a great fight. That's a great fight. Great fight. That's one fight that GFL is putting together. I'm like, ooh, I'll watch that. Are they both over 40? They're 100 years old. Yeah, they're both 100. Yoel is 79 years old, dude. I don't care. He looked fucking amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4955.331

Well, fuck. They don't know whether or not that's legit or whether these guys are jumping to conclusions. A lot of people are calling bullshit and saying they jumped to conclusions. A lot of people are saying that it really, you can't tell from those images, like what they drew in the 3D image where they drew everything and made a model of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4973.806

they're doing a lot of guessing so they're gonna they're gonna do more testing though there's definitely something under there something is under there something's under there and it's massive and if these guys are correct that it goes down two kilometers like help me explain that explain that with any conventional wisdom aliens that's more than a mile into the earth that's nuts yeah

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

4997.681

What does that mean? Who did that? What was the purpose of it? Because there's a guy named Christopher Dunn that thinks that the entire Giza pyramid, the big one, the Great Pyramid, was a power plant. And he has this whole schematic that he mapped out. This is how you would generate hydrogen. You would...

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5014.031

have something underneath the surface, underneath the ground that was causing a vibration, a pounding. And then this reverberation, this vibration would go through the entire building because it was all made out of limestone. And then they had these channels, these paths that they would fill with chemicals, and they would go into what's called the king's chamber.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5035.356

and this porous limestone that would allow the chemicals to leap through the leach through and that would create hydrogen god damn yeah so i mean i'm doing i'm butchering it i'm sorry mr dunn but if you listen to his take on it and he's an engineer he explains why the pathways and everything this is exactly how you would do it if it was some sort of a power plant

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5055.35

But whatever it is, it's like, I don't think that it's a tomb. I just don't think that makes any sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

509.972

I saw some promo with some giant dude he's fighting. Did you see him box that slap fight guy? Bro, that slap fight guy. When he jumped up in the air, I was like, oh, I fucked up. Yoel just fucking jumped up in the air for no reason. Like an alien. Right before he decided to beat his ass, he just jumped straight up in the air.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5103.278

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5105.14

Have you ever seen that one in India? There's a few of them in India, but there's one that's all carved out of stone. They didn't bring any rocks there. They don't know where the stone went. It's all insanely intricate and carved out of stone and fucking massive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5123.598

They're everywhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5126.46

Look at that. Look at that. Bro, they carved that out of solid stone. They might have just been bored as fuck. Look how tiny the people are down there. There's not shit to do better than that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5137.086

Hundreds of years. They don't have shit to do. Look how spectacular the craftsmanship is. Spectacular. And no one knows how old that is. It's like, take a guess. So, back to your bit. People used to... Might get offended. It's probably accurate. Dude. Oh, Molly McCann's getting choked. Shit. She needs to win bad. Dude, have you heard... Oh, she's getting choked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5163.709

She keeps turning. She's got a good grip on that shoulder cap, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5170.032

Now she's fucked. She looks fucked. Now she's fucked. Nope, she's getting out of it. She's out of it. She's out of it. Oh!

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5184.952

Well, she's so tough. She's so tough and she's such a gamer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5189.896

Oh, that's deep. That's it. That's it. She's lost, what, four out of five now? Yeah, if that proves to be true and there really are these massive structures underneath the pyramid, they've got to change everything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5208.59

There's got to be. You know what I have a hard time getting into, but every now and then I'll dive into it? Giants.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5215.035

Giants to Giants Giants, that's another way all that shit Well, they're not I don't know about that because I think you need a lot more than Giants to move those fucking stones You you need some kind of crazy technology because Giants don't explain the engineering It doesn't explain the the precision that was involved like whatever they did They were they were moving 80 tons stones from 500 miles away and through the mountains and there's no roads and no one knows how they did it There's no explanation your Instagram algorithm.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5244.705

Oh, yeah, I saw those giant guys, huge 70-foot dudes carrying giant stones, like jacked, shredded. There's a lot of reports throughout the ages of giant human beings. Look, what's a giant? Nine feet tall, ten feet tall? That's a fucking giant.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5262.341

Like a race of nine foot, ten feet tall people, and there's all these stories about bones that were giant bones that got transported to the Smithsonian, but they covered it up and

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5280.414

Right. He had like a serious disease. Yeah. Now imagine a foot taller than that guy jacked, but just a different kind of human being.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

529.137

If the UFC...

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5404.658

Doesn't it seem like an evil world? Well, it seems like evil has always been a part of the human race. There's always been people committing genocide. There's always been evil. There's always been people that justify murder for money, bombings of fucking apartment buildings.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5435.858

Right. Well, you've got to wonder when you get back to that Zachariah Sitchin stuff, because one of the things about this whole Anunnaki thing was that they were giants. Yes. And the big theory is that the giants bred with human beings, which probably means some sort of genetic engineering, like taking existing primates and turning them into human beings. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you...

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5459.383

I mean, those are the most fun. Those are the most fun. The idea that we're visited by an alien and an alien race and this alien race is far superior and that they used us as slaves to mine for gold. Those are the most fun theories.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5475.908

No, just play like two minutes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

549.687

I think you could do whatever you wanted, but you definitely could have a stand-up only show, and it would be huge. Where they break them up, they clinch against the cage. You don't allow them to clinch. Do it just like kickboxing does. Separate them. There's no ground fighting at all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

565.7

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The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5706.525

Wouldn't there be a record of that? Doesn't that make sense that Christians would document that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

572.022

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The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5752.405

Statue of Liberty has a shackle around its ankle?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5757.546

No, no, you can find out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5761.867

So much fun. The Statue of Liberty is not a chick. That's not a chick. That's not a chick. That's a trans dude. I just thought you had a strong jaw. Strong jaw and some boobs. Man boobs. Look at that. That's a painting of Lucifer. Whoa. Damn.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5780.532

It could be France just trolling us, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5785.215

Damn, Lucifer's dick is gone. He's got the Harvey Weinstein.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5790.979

Look at that. Right there. Boom.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5799.724

But Jesus, I mean, Satan has two arms up in there. Yeah. I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5806.648

The chain is really identical. It's basically the Elon Musk. My heart goes out to you. Yo, yo, yo.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5824.427

Christ is king. Conveniently crop the image to make a false point. Oh, in that image. Yeah. In that right there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5833.275

Eh. No? Two arms, one arm. Look at the chin.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5842.594

You think that's a chick?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5846.599

The Statue of Liberty, the arm is huge. Look at that forearm. That's a jacked forearm. Look at the fucking hands. Yeah, it's a dude's hand, dude's arm, dude's face. Dude's nose. Dude's nose, yeah. Statue of Liberty doesn't look like a guy. But it does look like it kind of has boobs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5866.435

Like legit boobs? Get a full view of the Statue of Liberty. She's cheeked up. Did they give her some implants later in the day? On a Thursday afternoon. Did they pump out the copper? Did they get under the copper and heat it up and push it out a little bit? Yeah, I've never seen it close up, man. I've never seen the boobs. The thing does look trans now that we look at it. Now that we look at it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5884.871

France is like, ah. It could be Kia and a Tesla. It could be Kia and a Tesla right now. Okay, so here's the full image of it. Yeah, it doesn't look like it has boobs. That does not look like, well, that right one looks like a little bit of a tit. That looks like a tit. Could be gyno, though. Could be gyno. Could be gyno. Ancient steroids.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5908.148

I don't know, man. Pretty crazy. I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5912.25

Frantz wanted the Statue of Liberty back.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5916.953

He said, give it back to us. You guys are bad. Look at that. And then the lady who's the White House press secretary is like, you're lucky you guys would be speaking German if it wasn't for the United States. Yeah, that press secretary is a savage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5934.752

But we needed France to beat them in World War I. That's a fact, too. France lost some insane percentage of their population in World War I. I think they lost 25% of their male population, their 18 to 25 or 18 to 30 male population in World War I and another 25% in World War II. They paid heavy. No one paid a hefty price in Russia. No one talks about it. They don't teach that in schools.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

594.611

current website check out squarespace.com for a free trial or go to squarespace.com slash rogan to save 10 off your first website or domain purchase really you think we had kickboxing no one watched it we we already had it no but when the ufc came out people all of a sudden people are into uh martial arts again and if we go that's going back i think

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5959.465

Russia got fucked up. They lost 20 plus million. Yeah. I mean, Russia's been through so much. Just the amount of people that got starved by Stalin. France provided crucial aid to the American colonists during the Revolutionary War, including military support, financial assistance, and naval power, ultimately contributing significantly to American victory and independence.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5978.19

Yeah, they've helped us through everything. Yeah. So I think it's stupid that we hate France. I don't get it. I think it's stupid that we hate Canada too. I don't get that either. Canada needs to get their shit together though. Yeah, they have terrible government. But he's out, right? Canadian people are awesome. Yeah, Canadians are awesome. Yeah, but the new guy is like more of the same.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

5996.078

Oh, really? And then they have to have a vote. And when they have a vote, then that Pierre Polivet guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

60.154

Yeah, very, very good kicks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6002.581

No, he's not. When is that vote? He's a conservative. They don't have the same thing over here, like it's November 4th. With them, they get to decide when there's going to be a vote. When they've had enough. They'll call it in three weeks. Three weeks, you're going to have a vote. I don't even know when or how. I don't know how their system works up there. They got a squirrelly system up there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6020.073

And they just keep losing rights left and right. I mean, what they did during the whole trucker convoy thing was nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6028.415

Crazy. Like full-on communist bullshit. There's people still in jail. Well, there's people that lost their bank account that only donated to the truckers. That's wild. That was crazy. They froze their money.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6046.286

The protest?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6050.61

You're fucking with real dudes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6056.056

Yeah, truckers are real dudes. They're like, hold up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6058.619

Hold the fuck up. There's a lot of dudes who woke the fuck up because of that. Thank God. Yeah. Because they're so polite up there. They're so nice and polite in Canada. Till they're not. Till they're not. But it's easy to kind of like, you know, get them thinking. This is the right thing to do. Eh? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6080.175

Yo. I heard it's nuts. Have you done it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6097.083

Not only that, but if you get above the laser and you look down. Yes. You see layers of code.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6113.1

Yeah, he's a mind control expert.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

617.518

I see what you're saying, but look, the UFC does grappling events, right? The grappling events are pure grappling. Why not do pure striking events, too? MMA is always the best.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6178.513

Well, I bet some eggheads probably are right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

62.876

Real tall, long, lanky dude. But, you know, Ilya, that guy, he connects on anybody. They're going night-night.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6284.067

Who else? Here's the craziest theory. You know, AI is about to become sentient, and then they're going to do quantum computers with AI. What if that's how Jesus comes back? What if Jesus reemerges as a created consciousness? And he's on an app. By that time, it'd probably be able to communicate to your fucking head.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6306.96

You mean they've already figured out how to put signals into people's heads, put voices in people's heads. They can literally have things say things to you or you hear voices in your head. Yeah. They have that technology. And if quantum computing gets attached to AI and then it figures out how to make better versions of itself, like what does that mean?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6331.786

Well, that's different. How is it different, though? Because MKUltra, they were just trying to manipulate people with acid and they were doing all sorts of different psychedelic drugs and doing it on people without them knowing. But also trying to get them to manipulate them so they can get them to do things like try to kill the president or something like that. Which they still do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6352.133

There's no way they stopped doing that. And I guarantee if you could, if there is a conspiracy theory about that kid in Pennsylvania tried to kill Trump. Oh, went to the ground. Gunner got him down.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6364.221

He really put a triangle on him. Look at this. Kevin is a black belt, but not Gunner Nelson black belt. Gunner Nelson's so legit. Yeah. If he can get you scrambling on the ground, Kevin's in trouble. Look at that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6381.333

If he put a grip around the arm, oh. Oh, my God, he's hanging on that arm. That can't be good for the shoulder. It's over now. He's not going to be able to hold on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6397.626

It's tiring for Kevin, too, though. His legs are gassing out here for sure. And now he's out. Gunner's a weird one because he's not active.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6406.55

When was the last time he was there?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6412.492

He's getting in there. Yeah, Gunner's not scared to get in there. No, he's not scared. Who gave Kevin Holland his black belt? Travis Luter. Oh, shit. Okay. He's a Texas boy. The fight was two years ago. Two years ago. Exactly. How old is he now, Gunner? He's got to be 36. Yeah. He was so good when he was at the top of his game. His jiu-jitsu was off the charts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6437.036

Beat Jeff Monson. Remember that? I forgot that one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6447.721

He's just not active enough. And his striking is just not the same level as the elite guys. Although he does have a good style, that sort of karate. His style's cool. Robert Whitaker-type style. Mm-hmm.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6462.746

Is it? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6465.587

He's an interesting dude, man. Yeah. Super talented. Remember he was part of Connor's camp for a while there. That's right. Yeah. Oh shit. Can opener. Old school.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6487.125

Yeah, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6535.374

That's a giant. Yeah, he's a giant. Yeah, that's like a legit giant.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6545.718

Look at that. Oh, he lost it. Scrambled. It's really greasy. Got slippery. Kevin has that X factor. Oh, nice knee to the body. That was a nice knee by Kevin. That hurt.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6558.042

It's over. Six seconds to go. He got some. He got some. Oh, man. He's in trouble. Two, one, and.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

656.415

But listen, let's imagine that Ankalayev and Pereira fight an only kickboxing fight. Are you telling me that's going to be boring? That would be fucking insane. Kickboxing with little gloves. With MMA gloves.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6565.569

Oh, shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6566.71

Oh, the haymaker at the end.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6569.654

Damn. They let it go. Oh, look at him. He's wobbly. Super fucked up. He's wobbly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6576.435

It's gonna start on the feet Gunners in trouble. Yeah. Yeah, he's good for Kevin.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6582.579

He does It's been a while. He just for my last show off and no one's more active than Kevin, but this is 170 fine What does yes and straight to loss for his last five? I think he's lost three in a row The thing is like he's so much better at 70. I know he doesn't like the weight cut but so much So tall and long and dangerous

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6603.093

Joaquin. Joaquin Buckley. Yeah, Joaquin Buckley. Two in a row. He lost two in a row?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6609.141

Hamza and who else?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6611.043

Oh, Rene Derrida.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6616.927

Fuck yeah, it is. Bowe better fucking wrestle, dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6621.129

Yeah. I was so impressed with what that guy did to Holland. I was like, that's impressive. Because he just manhandled him. Yeah. Manhandled him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6630.415

RDR, yeah. Gunner looks like he's still in a little bit of trouble.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6644.167

That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6646.468

He got him with that uppercut.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6660.857

If Gunnar can't take Kevin down, he's in trouble. I didn't see that one. Gunnar is not able to take Kevin down this round. He's going to be in trouble. And also, you've got to think Kevin Holland's hungry right now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6678.904

Because he still wants to be a champion. Yeah, that's tough. At 70, though, he could do it. He could do it at 70. He's just got to be super focused and stay at 70. This hopping up and down and getting losses at 85 against – DeRitter's like 220. He's a big fucker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6699.039

It's just tough to be that active. Right. And be a tough guy. He fought Combs out of 85? Mm-hmm. He got manhandled. On like a three-hour notice. Yeah, man. That was when Nate Diaz and him were supposed to fight, but Hamzat came in eight pounds heavy, and Kevin Holland stepped up and said, I'll take it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6716.385

And Kevin was supposed to fight D-Rod, remember?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6723.487

Gunner's trying real hard for this takedown, man. Burning off a lot of fuel. Nice spiral, nice spiral. Almost has it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6736.194

He's got to be fatigued right now. You know, two plus minutes into the second and got beat up at the end of the first, which takes a lot out of you. He almost had his hands lost. Such a big factor. You know, you think about perceived skills. Oh, come on, Gunner. You think about perceived skills versus current level after a guy gets rocked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6757.602

You know, you think he's still the same guy that he was early in the fight, but when you get rocked, man. Oh, bro, you're out of it. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

676.913

The slices and cuts. People want to see the blood. The hands break.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6769.533

Yep. Yep. Or even Ankaliev and Pereira. Second round, he gets rocked. And then he's kind of not the same after that. Trigger shy, yeah. Much more defensive after that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6784.893

Bro, I saw a good breakdown of Ancalay of stand-up against Pereira. It was very high level.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6790.697

Especially taking away the front hand. He's doing this circular motion with his hand and taking away angles.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6800.673

Oh, we got him down. Almost. They're going to run it back, I'm sure. They have to. That's the big fight in that division. And if Pereira can come in healthy. Oh, we got him down. But he's another one. He's too active. Too active. But he's smart, too, because he's 36, 37. He's like, I'm going to go, man. I'm going to make as much money as possible. He's done that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6820.268

He's become an all-time great in three years, which is crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6827.432

It's hard to say because Gunner had him down for a while. Yeah. You know, I mean, he did rock him at the end. I count those, and unfortunately, they don't count. But near submissions, I think near submissions are big.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6845.08

Like Oliveira versus Armand Saroukian. I feel like Oliveira almost had him a couple times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6852.544

What did he have? A darts? A darts guillotine?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6859.448

The shame about that fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6865.01

Charles probably wins that. Yeah, I think so, too. Maybe. I mean, who knows? Who knows? But he would have a better chance. But if you count near submissions as much more points. You get no credit. You don't get credit like you do if you rock a guy. But you're close to finishing a fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6899.38

Well, you get a little bit. A little bit. A little bit. I don't think you should get credit for defense. The big credit is the submission attempts. Yeah, for offense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6914.226

That'd be dope. See, this is interesting, right? Because Kevin was doing a lot of damage at the end of the first, but a lot of it was on the back. And then here you got Gunner takes him down after unsuccessfully taking him down for like three minutes. And he's doing something. He's on top. Oh, he won this round. Right. But nothing's happening. Did he win it really? Yeah. You get a takedown?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6937.152

Yeah, that wins the round. But you know what I'm saying? Like nothing's happening. He didn't do shit. He's not getting any damage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

694.488

It's more realistic. So it's not the same. It's more realistic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6941.636

True. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6947.838

Yeah. But it's not as good as like a guy rocking you. I know. Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6954.479

I feel like the whole scoring system is fucked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6963.603

He barely survived. They could have stopped him right at the end. He got saved by the bell. How is that not a 10-8? When a guy gets dropped, it's automatically a 10-8. Yes. Yeah. The guy's in trouble. Yeah. I think that's a good move. Yeah. When a guy gets dropped. But then you got fights where a guy gets dropped and gets up and drops the other guy. Yeah. And it evens out. Yeah, I guess.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

6985.548

Sometimes it's so close. I think they need a more comprehensive scoring system. Yes. I think the whole 10-9 is crazy because we just took it from boxing. And we're like, okay, that's an established point system for fighting. But you're using it with something that has all these different elements. Takedown, submission, octagon control. There's so many more elements. Factors.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

699.212

What happened? It starts in an hour. But wait a minute, it's not Hylton. Oh, this is the bare knuckle one? That's the dirty boxing shit. Oh, my goodness. That's our boy, Mike Parrish. Is this bare knuckle dirty boxing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7005.119

And then you got to look at the people scoring it. These judges, half of them don't know what the fuck they're looking at. That's a good fight. Moreno and Erceg. That Erceg guy almost beat Pantoja.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7024.637

Hell yeah. Strikes or there's enough jiu-jitsu combat jiu-jitsu. So slaps.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7047.036

Oh Jesus they should Kevin's so dangerous in the clean. He's hitting him with hard body shots, man. Oh, elbow over the top. Oh, knee.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7060.281

Kevin's got to go for broke because he probably won the first round. I think he won the first round for sure. For sure. Second round, no. So this is it. And Kevin needs to win. He's landing some uppercuts. Oh, Gunner's in deep. Gunner's in deep. Oh, he's out of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7081.098

Oh, we got him. He got him. He got him. Full mount. Full mount. Oh, shit. Here it is. Kevin's in trouble. Going to announce him full mount third round.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7152.691

Oh, yeah. That up kick. That was the first time we saw like an effective up kick. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7159.136

He's going to pass him here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7264.047

It looks like it. It looked like he thought about it. Yeah, he's looking for it for sure. Disengage, Kevin. I know, right? Especially now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7280.019

And he had times to disengage. And he's got an advantage in the striking.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7285.462

But also so exhausted at this point in the fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7302.915

Unless Kevin catches him. Three seconds to go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7318.564

If they gave him 10-8 for the first round.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7323.486

No, I agree. But it doesn't mean that the judges agree. The judges are goofy. Judges are goofy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7331.299

I don't think they hand out 10-8s enough.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7336.501

I don't know. That's a good question. She was awesome. She was the best. That's a good question. What is this movie? It's a truck commercial. For what movie?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7348.168

This is a truck? It's a Ram, yeah. It's a truck commercial. Woman in the Yard, no. It's a movie. Only in theaters Friday. Oh, you're looking at something different?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

735.049

That's 20 fucking years ago of hardcore combat sports in MMA. That is nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7356.792

I was like, that's a truck commercial? Oh, are you looking at ESPN Plus's different commercials? The new Raptor coming out? Yeah. Oh, weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7367.837

So it's different commercials depending upon where you look?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7383.74

Yes. Jan Olberg next. So what's the guess? Oh, man. Give us some volume, Jamie. I think Gunnar takes it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7400.094

Draw.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7426.514

Yeah. Damage. He did all the damage, even though Gunner had control of him. He did the damage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7435.697

But Kevin definitely did more damage to him. Almost had his back a couple times. Yeah. True. True. I think it should have been a draw. It could have been a draw.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7451.303

Yeah. Good for Kevin. He needs it. Yeah, he's saying I knew it could go either way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7463.759

Yeah, that's his spot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7466.48

He's got legit championship potential. How about a rematch with him and Joaquin Buckley at 170? That would be crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

747.379

They kept were like, dude, just get out of here. He's like, nah, man. He's such a veteran. He's such a veteran. He's so savvy. He sees everything coming. Oh, yeah, man. He's been there, done that forever. Jan Bohovic. So you were saying that Bohovic got both of his shoulders reconstructed?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7474.785

Yeah, bro, he's a monster at 170. At 170, he's a monster. He beat the shit out of Colby. He's so motivated, too. Colby Colvington? Yeah. Kevin Holland? No, Colby got his ass whipped by... Joaquin. Joaquin Buckley. Forgot about that fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7494.711

They stopped the fight. Defend the takedown, just beat the shit out of him. He beat the shit out of him. He stopped the fight? Yeah. 170, he's a monster. Colby Colvington? Yeah, he stopped the fight. Recently or early in his career? Three months ago. Damn, I missed that. Kobe's a real problem at 170.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

75.867

Yeah, I don't know the news.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7512.78

He's super motivated, amazing genetics, super explosive and fast, very disciplined, gets better every fight, crazy cardio at 170.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7524.77

That muscle-bound, but it's his work ethic, man. He's got crazy work ethic. Did you see that video he made for Bilal? No. He was explaining, like, you got what I want. His whole thing, talking about his life, what he needs, taking care of his grandmother. It was intense. He's like, I'm coming for you, boy. It's intense. He's a real threat at 170. Big time. But I would love to see that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7548.71

Is she coming back? No, she's done. She's got boobies now. That's the man. Remember when he fought Ryan Hall? No one knew who he was. Oh, yeah. He smashed him. Duck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7564.412

What would you say, Gordon?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7634.13

Teporia. Teporia. Ryan Hall's had like nine surgeries over the last, maybe more. Didn't, yeah, Josh Waitzkin.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7647.298

What is he getting surgery on? That's 23 times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7654.904

It's probably like, nah, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7661.829

He's put out 19 times? That can't be good for you. You get put to sleep 19 times? 19 general anesthesia surgeries. Some procedures need to be redone due to complications. Jesus Christ. Holy fuck, man. What is his injuries? 21 general anesthesia surgeries since that fight. Sorry, 19. There were two prior. That's crazy. What happened to them? I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7687.906

So I had 21 general anesthesia surgeries. I got fallen on, tore my ACL, had to fix a plantar plate, got fallen on again, had to have a tightrope surgery on that one that Pat Mahomes and a couple other people have had. ACL got infected, had a couple of septic arthritis. Tightrope was actually allergic to the hardware they put in me somewhere, somehow. Had to have that redone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

769.338

Really? Yeah. I mean, how bad were they? Shoulders are tough. They get worse. Shoulders are tough. Yeah. Like the worst injury. It's a bad injury because it's such a complicated joint.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

77.888

No, I don't know. If I had to guess, he's probably fighting a top contender at 55. I don't think he's going to.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7711.838

It's been interesting, but back on the end of it. On the back end of it, rather. Wow. That's crazy. Boy. Wow. I had no idea. That's so many surgeries. I thought he retired. That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7746.303

What happened to Eddie?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

7782.965

He did get hard. Yeah. It's weird when guys get that good and just stop.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

821.632

There's enough shit out there. Look at it yawn. First shoulder operated on. Unfortunately, there's too much work to do with one, so they can fix both at once. Another surgery soon. So what year? When is this, Jamie? Two years ago. Two years ago. Wow. I haven't fought in two years. That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8316.409

Change the game. Here we go. Olberg. Here we go. Olberg, Jan Bohovic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8326.852

Oh, no worries. Let's see what happens in 10 minutes. My flag got pushed, Eddie. It's at 8 now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8340.014

Bohovich is 42, but it's a Polish 42. That's different genetics, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8348.5

So if you're a Polish 42, are you older or younger?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

835.297

And, you know, no peptides, no nothing, because everybody is in this, you know, goofy world where you're not allowed to take stuff like BPC-157.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8351.702

Younger.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8354.785

Yeah. Well, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see what happened with Yuri. Yuri got his shoulders fixed. No problem at all. He looked great. He looked amazing. But then Johnny Walker's shoulders fixed. Yeah, but that's a lot of damage, too. Johnny Walker's been KO'd so many times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8381.475

Well, this is a world champion. You're fighting a world champion. And a guy who's real determined to get back to the belt. You've got to realize he had a draw with Ankalayev, almost won the title there. Real close to beating Pereira. Real close fight. Beat Izzy. You know, he's still a monster. Even though he's 42. Savage. And he wins this one. He's right there. Hard low kick by Jan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8404.852

He's right there for the title shot. Yes. Well, he's always the guy that people forget about in this division. One big win over Olberg. He's right back in the hunt. And he would be a logical guy to fight next after Ancalayev and Pereira. There's a story for either one. Yeah. Both of them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8424.261

Yeah. He's fucking dangerous, too. I mean, that power's the last thing to go, and Jan's got ridiculous power. Remember that Rockhold KO? Like, jeez.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8434.899

Bro, he's a... How about the fucking Dominic Reyes one?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8441.004

Yeah. Boom.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8442.905

Remember when he kicked Dominic Reyes in the body? You see his whole foot on Reyes' body? He's such a hard dude. Ooh. Solid jab. Wahlberg definitely has a speed advantage. Mm-hmm. He does, but Hovich has a massive experience advantage. Massive. Check that. And him with a hard low kick, too. And he has that Rottweiler head. Mm-hmm. Remember when he went shin to shin with Ankaliev? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8468.444

Just fucked his legs up? He's like, let's see who's got the harder shins.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

847.007

Yeah. Especially after surgery. Last three months, two months, I started losing my power, my strength. Forty percent goes. I tried to do something with physiotherapy and doctors to try to fix it, but every training was worse. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8478.067

There's so many tough guys in this division. I mean, Yuri would be the champion if it wasn't for Alex. There's so many good guys. That Uri fight with Jamal Hill was crazy. Racket's no punk either. Oh, no. But, you know, Uri KO'd him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8493.421

Uncle Ive beat him in a decision in his last fight. Jan looks good, though. He doesn't look like he's 42. He looks like a legit contender. It's just so much experience, you know, and he's so good at pacing himself and staying calm.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8516.496

That's true, but that, Oldberg's first fight was three rounds as well. You know, the Kennedy fight. Yeah. I mean, this is a big step up, man. Big step up. Oh, high kick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8543.292

Soon. Ooh, that's exciting. That's a great fight. That is a great fight. He just went shin to shin with Oldberg.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8571.571

Ooh. Jan's winning the battle of the low kicks. He's checking Olberg's. Yeah, Olberg's not landing, is he? No. He's landing a few now. Oh, there's a good one. Shin to shin. Nothing's tastier than that Miami card coming up, though. Ooh, that Miami card's good. That's a fucking treat. Ooh, that's good. Yair and Pitbull. Ooh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8597.688

And John Silva versus Bryce.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8602.452

He's with the UFC now. Oh, shit. With Jair Rodriguez. On the main card. They bumped up the main card. Wow, they don't have a picture of him? That's outrageous. Get a picture. Bellator wouldn't send it. That's crazy. Bellator's like, no. Have him pose. Take your own pictures. Have him pose for a picture. Jesus Christ. Dude, take a selfie on your fucking cell phone. What the fuck?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

861.42

Yeah, that's old. It's less old for the bigger guys, but it's still old. 42 is 40.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8619.179

Take your shirt off. Yeah, bro. Have your girl do it. Send it in. Yeah. Yeah, we'll black out the background.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8642.099

Yep. I'll be there, too. I'll see you, man. See you, brother.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8658.504

He loves being a dad. Yeah, we always run to each other at the baseball fields. It's awesome to see.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8668.122

Oh, that's crazy. I was like, that's Uncle Eddie. I'm like, Uncle?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8684.055

This is boring ass commercials. Come on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8686.558

Let's go. Let's go. You see, bare-knuckle fighting is going to have hockey fights. They're going to have fights with skates on. On ice, yeah. Bare-knuckle boxing with hockey, skates on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8699.729

That's a gimmick. They have card jiu-jitsu now. Yeah, I've seen that in Russia.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

873.45

And Carlos Olberg's a motherfucker. He's so fast and tall. He's so long.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8734.403

Yeah, it would be funny. You'd be talking shit while you tie him up. Yeah, it'd be funny. All right, here we go. Round two. That first round's hard to score, huh? Yeah. I'd probably give it to Jan, I guess. I think I'd give it to Jan. Jan looked like he got the best of it. Ooh. Swing and a miss. How's that shoulder?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8760.586

He's fighting a vet at this level. He looks good. He's a fast motherfucker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8771.09

Yeah, it did. Big time. Great feint. But he's not really a wrestler.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8776.793

Ooh. Jan's looking for bombs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8803.803

But Izzy also tried to do 205 with no weight gain. He just tried to, like, weigh what he weighs. Like, cut less. I don't think he cut anything. I don't think he cut. He just walked in. 190-something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8820.089

Oh, that would be crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8822.69

Yeah, that's dangerous. Fucking Jan. Well, Jan walks at 240. Yuri looks so good in the Jamal Hill fight. He's turned a corner. He's a different guy now. He's one of my favorites. Oh, one of my favorites for sure. Guaranteed fireworks when that guy fights. Oh, he landed that right hand. Guaranteed fireworks when Yuri fights.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8843.665

Just such a fucking warrior. And so, like, dedicated to the way, you know? He's an interesting cat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8857.728

That needle body is legit. Interesting. Oberg favored. That's interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8872.678

He has a little lighter on his feet this round.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8884.286

In this round, for sure. That inside low kick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8891.448

It's thudding. But he scores. See that one right there? That was painful. See how it's changing his position? Yeah, that was painful. Yeah. That was a hard one. Well, Jan, you know, had a Muay Thai career before MMA. He's a legit Muay Thai fighter. Slightly lighter. He was like fighting at 200, I think.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8920.087

Well, he lost to Paul Craig. It's true.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8926.311

And even that fight, he was winning that fight. He just slept on the triangle and got wrapped up with like, I think it was like two seconds to go or something crazy like that. One second to go. That's so brutal. That's so brutal because you know he can hang in for one second.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8945.999

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

896.11

And there's also his first fight, like his first fight with Kennedy, Kennedy and Zichiku, who beat him down. He was beating Kennedy up, and then he gassed out, and Kennedy fucked him up. That's a big fight because he kind of folded down the stretch, over-amped in the beginning of the fight, burned off too much fuel. Just experience. Experience. Experience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8960.846

And that's just Anderson coming in with a broken rib. Mm-hmm. Oberg definitely seems like he's landing more this round. But the damaging shots are Bohovic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8978.181

But, you know, Oberg is scoring more. Like those jabs right there. Jan's just having a hard time closing the distance. And this is only round two.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8995.883

Well. Molly retired too, I forgot. Did she?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

8999.406

Yeah. There's a certain skill gap you can't bridge.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9008.252

Yeah, not enough hours in the day, not enough time in your life. You're older, you're in your late 30s. Yeah. I don't know how old she is, but she's in her 30s for sure. Some of them, they just get to a point. Jalen Turner was crazy because he said when he beat up Bobby Green, like after that, he lost his appetite for fighting. That was that one with a real late stoppage. That was in Austin.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9029.166

That was bad. That was a bad one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9032.667

It's kind of over. I don't want to hurt anybody anymore. I don't want to do that. I get it. I mean, he liked Bobby Green, too. They were friends. I get it. So to put it on your friend like that and then... And then all the unnecessary punches, the referee should have stopped that fight quite a bit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9046.998

Yeah. He was just getting tagged. I don't remember who reffed that fight, but that was a bad one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9054.867

Uh-huh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9055.828

Just hammered. Just smashed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9064.193

Is he? Yeah. For real?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9071.178

That wheel kick. Wow. Oh, my goodness. Mauricio Rufi is dangerous. He's like a giant Connor. Yeah, that's exactly. He really is. He moves like Connor. He's got that kind of style.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9089.668

It's so fast twitch-based. It's not a good style for longevity unless you're real sparing with your attacks. And you have to have complete control. So if a guy mauls you and just comes at you with a lot of combinations and hits you with a pace. Yeah, you're kind of fucked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9109.696

And obviously that weight class is filled with talent. There's so much talent there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9139.025

Zero fights in the UFC are super fucking dangerous. That's what's crazy. Zero fights and they come in at a world-class level. And they're like well-rounded and everything. Especially these motherfuckers from Russia. Yeah. There's so many Dagestan guys that are coming in and they're like, good lord, they're so dangerous. There's no gimme fights anymore. No. Oberg seems to be outpointing him here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9162.575

A little more active. Yeah, like right there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9167.078

Mm-hmm. And Jan hasn't landed any big shots to the head, like the big one that's going to really change the course of the fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9176.605

But he's just dealing with a very tall, fast dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

92.409

Ilya's walking around at 186. Yeah, he's big. Connor? That's crazy. Connor would have to be in the testing pool for a long time. Oh, don't be a hater. He's not in the testing pool. Isn't he doing bare knuckle, Connor? Well, he's running bare knuckle. He's like one of the owners. Oh, he's not going to fight. No, he may. He might.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

921.508

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9213.783

Young with another good, strong low kick. But he needs more than that. He needs some head shots. He needs to get the judge's attention. I wonder what the live odds are right now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9226.889

Gotta be Olberg, right? Just from a volume perspective. Yeah, just active. He looks like he's going to spin. That was close. He's heavily bladed. Good left hook right hand.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

923.809

Now he's ready. Yeah. Sometimes it takes that. He had mental coaching and shit, too, which I think is important. How are your shoulders?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9250.558

Is it? Interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9261.874

It's just Jan is having a hard time connecting. Speed's an issue. He's not slowing down. Oberg's done such a much better job of pacing himself now. And obviously he's in better condition, too. Yes, and his distance. Like, look, he's never stopped hopping around.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9280.265

It's not easy. Especially a young dude, all hungry. Jan's still trying to fucking watch out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

930.23

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9310.452

It'd be tough for Brady to stop Leon. Yeah, very tough. It's going to be interesting to see how he fares on the feet because Leon's such a technician on the feet. He's such a sniper. But he's also going to be super wary about the takedown. But he's been trying to take people down to kind of like prove a point like he did with Kamaru.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9329.096

I hope he doesn't try to do that with Sean. Bad idea. Yeah, it's a different level.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9342.203

Yeah, he's very fit. Holberg seems to be walking away from it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9353.046

No, but it puts him in the top.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9357.068

Yeah, top five. He just hasn't done anything, like, real spectacular. Olbert was aware of Roundtree and Jamal Hill would be fun. Jan's still pushing, though, man. He's going after him. Good low kicks there. Oh, oh, oh. Oh, he clipped him with that left hand. Yeah, Jan can't get his range. Good fight. Solid fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

938.611

It looks weird. You can see it. Did you get it fixed or no? Nah, man. You don't have to get it fixed? Is it a small tear? Yeah, it's small tear. Oh, okay. I've just been injecting fucking peptide. You name something. Just fucking. Oh, yeah. Dude, fucking. Bro, BPC-157 with the TB-500 is amazing. The best. Amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9386.373

Fucking warriors. Guys being guys. Yeah. Just a couple of bros. Just a couple of bros. Fist fight and shout at each other. Yeah, I think Aubrey probably got that decision.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9398.189

Slight decision. I'm very interested to see how Sean deals with the stand-up. Because Sean's stand-up has come a long way, but there's levels. Big, big difference.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9414.964

Right. Well, if Sean can get him down early like Bilal did, it would be a big thing. And Bilal set the blueprint, constant pressure. But I do think you have to take into consideration the fact that that was a 5 a.m. fight, which is just nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9433.804

How crazy is that? Everybody in the audience has been drunk since 2 in the morning. It's tough. They're all exhausted. They're fucking filled with beer. There's people sleeping. They were sleeping. They were sleeping. They must be so exhausted. I can't imagine going to see a fight that the main event starts at 5 in the morning. I think the main event was like 6 in the morning.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9458.36

It's ridiculous. It's terrible. Just do it this way. Just have the fights on early. That was a pay-per-view, right? Yeah. That's why.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9467.443

But still, have a pay-per-view at 3 in the afternoon. Who cares?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9470.884

Yeah, who cares? It's Saturday. It's Saturday. People will still buy it. They watch football on the day. True. Why wouldn't they watch a big fight during the day? Just let them know in advance. It's 3 p.m. start. The only one who complained was Tom Aspinall.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9489.751

Carlos. Yep. Yep. Yeah, it's going to get dicey for you on that one. Good decision. Yeah, hard road for him. It's sports, man. You know? I mean, two years off, not really a tune-up fight, tough fight. Fuck, no. There's no tune-up fights.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9512.413

That's what's crazy, because boxing, I think, has it right. When a guy hasn't been fighting for a while, give him some fucking... Shake off the dust, give him a guy you don't know. Number 30 guy, right out of Tijuana.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9524.062

Yeah, I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9526.704

Yeah, and they don't have managers that, like, set their fighter up for victory either. Like, on the undercards, like, now you're going to face a brawler. Now you're going to face a short guy, a bobs and wheeze. Now you're going to face a tall guy. Yeah. You know, by the time a guy gets to a championship level in boxing, they've been tried and tested. It's very systematic. UFC's not like that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9547.784

I know. Did you see the Lamont Roach-Gervonta Davis fight? Yes. Ooh. I had Lamont Roach, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah. Well, especially with that knockdown. Yeah. That's a real knockdown. Wow. You take a knee. That's a 10-8 round.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9565.013

You took a knee? Yeah, you took a knee. You know the rules. That's the rules. That's the rules. Dem the rules. And they didn't have the replay ready, so they didn't look at the replay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9574.117

It's a little bit. But Dana getting involved in it might help it. Perhaps. Yeah, yeah. Or, you know, can't change the tiger stripes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9590.204

Is that pay structure legit, though?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9607.43

Right, but if you want to get the top guys, you're going to have to pay them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9612.754

Yeah, you're not. They're not. Obviously, they got Canelo to get away from the Jake Paul fight, right? Canelo was going to fight Jake Paul, which would have been crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9621.903

And then they said, no, no, no, no, no. Turkey came along and said, listen, open up the fucking case from Pulp Fiction. Yeah. Look at all the gold. That dude got all the money, huh? They got so much money. They can do whatever they want. They could just throw money at the sport.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9644.472

The fights you want to see is what's most important for the fans, and they're putting shit together. They made Jared Anderson fight Bercouli. There's a lot of fights that people didn't want. Which is like Jared Anderson. That was another example. Young, undefeated heavyweight, on his way up. And everyone was like, don't take that fight. You're not ready for that fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9663.691

And then they offered him a pile of loot. He don't say less. And he got beat up. And then Bacoli getting stopped by Joseph Parker coming in fat with no notice at all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9674.933

It looked like he was totally out of shape. Something crazy. Yeah, super short notice. Yeah, crazy. Crazy fight. I was looking forward to that fight. But Bacoli, you got to give him a camp. Like, you can't. Like, he's not ready. But Joseph Parker looks really fucking good right now, too. He's, like, reinvented. He's such a good guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9696.796

That's cool. Yeah. That Dubois guy, though. Holy shit, man. The way he took out Anthony Joshua. I know. Jake wants to fight Anthony Joshua now? So he wants to fight Anthony Joshua in 2026. And the haters online are like, yeah, do it. They're like, what about now? They're like, what about fight him now? He's like, no, I want to wait until 2026. They're like, okay. To put on weight?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9718.47

Put on all the steroids, every steroid they have. Snake venom, scorpion venom. Oh, by the way, Rollo reached out to me, John Rollo, my boy. And him and his buddy Kimo actually own a company, he was telling me, that sells this blue scorpion shit. They're involved with a blue scorpion venom company. He said he gave it to Matt Serra. It really helped him. So he wants to hook you up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

973.815

From a fucking scorpion.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9744.274

Frank Meir, he says, is on it. Shit. Yeah. I'm already hooked up with it. He wants to get you something, Jordan. I'll have some. All right. I'll have him send you something. I'll take some, too. We'll see what happens. I'm going to start slow. I'm going to find out if I get poisoned. Yeah, just... What the fuck are we doing? Are we drinking venom from scorpions? That is weird. That's weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

975.816

What does that do for you? Apparently it helps with healing. They say bee stings cures arthritis. Sure. When people get bee stings, like serious arthritis, they get stung all over their fucking hands and it helps them. Blue scorpion venom. What the hell, dude?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9768.574

He's got the dopest tattoos.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9771.175

Brady, that Japanese on the back. He's such a fucking gorilla when he gets people to the ground. Like, look at the size of his back. Like, those muscles in his back. There's muscles that aren't supposed to be there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9786.122

They're so dense. It's weird when you see him walk. That's why he's so fucking strong. Oh, yeah. It's all back. It's all squeeze muscles, you know? Are you still fucking with the creatine gummies, Joe? Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9809.269

Oh, interesting. I did not know that. I feel great, though. But I'm not taking five milligrams. I'm taking like 30.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9816.571

I'm taking like 10 gummies at a time. Yeah. I wonder. I wonder. I'll try. I'll try like regular creatine and see if I feel a difference.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9825.428

Because one of the things that's really big is if I have a night where I don't get any sleep, that's a big factor. And there's been studies done on improving cognitive performance when you're sleep deprived with creatine, like no loss in cognitive performance. That's wild. That's wild. It's like one of the only things that I could even think of.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9860.877

Well, dude, you're crazy strong right now. That thing that you did where you were holding, what was the amount of weight you were lifting? What was that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9870.483

315. Where you guys were holding it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9879.291

And how much time did those guys hold it for?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9886.715

And what'd you get? A minute something. That's nuts. Nuts. That's nuts that you're technically stronger than the mountain. That's bananas, dude. Wow. That's crazy strong.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9899.182

You must feel like a fucking beast right now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9908.122

I'm going to use this power for something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

993.792

Reminds me of a shark cartilage. Dude, I couldn't lift three weeks ago. I fucking, who knows? A scorpion did it for you? I don't know. That's the thing. I take so much shit, I don't know. Something's working.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9948.384

How much does that guy have a fighter's nose?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9952.066

His nose is flattened and twisted and torqued to the side. Like, when he's looking at you head-on, it's like his nose is taking a hard right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9966.522

Hold 225?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9969.124

Oh, as many times as possible?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

9985.556

What's his record of 225? I think he said like 30-something. What can you do? 40-something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

0.692

I am.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10000.851

But DDP's doing a smart thing by attacking the legs. Really smart. Attacking the legs and attacking the arm with the switch kick and then threatening with the high kick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10010.999

It's such an awkward way of moving. It's so weird. Like Robert Whitaker and Izzy were talking about. They're like, he's the best shit fighter ever. Yeah. How do you say that? He's a world. How do you say he's a shit fighter? The guy's a fucking world champion. But it's just, it's awkward, but so effective. Like when he took out Robert Whitaker in the first round, I was like, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10033.109

Oh, my God. He's so strong.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10037.253

This is the old feeling out stage. But that move that he's doing. Sean's moving him back, though. It's interesting. Oh, spinning back. Well, this is where Sean fights at his best. But DDP is, by doing those switch kicks and those low kicks, there he did the hacky sack on that one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10054.426

Look at Sean. Pop, pop. That is a dangerous move, that left kick, because it's sneaky. He didn't land it to the face in the first fight, but he threatened with it a bunch of times. If he can land that, that's a fucking fight changer. Sean's so hard to hit. Yes, man. So hard to hit clean. His instincts and his timing because he spars so much.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10078.426

Well, he's certainly landing more kicks, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10084.508

Well, damage matters. I mean, if Sean can get off a one-two. if he could do something significant, but right now it's like, just trying to touch him. And DDP's not letting him set up. Nope.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10097.045

Sean does not kick that much, you know? And when he kicks, it's very linear. He's got a really fucked up, was it right leg?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10103.808

He doesn't have a quad. It's all fucked up. Really? He was just riding a motorcycle on the countdown show and fell down.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10110.712

Yeah, he fell down. He's crazy. I mean, he's got a giant fight coming up, and he's still riding motorcycles. He was wrestling with guys in Australia on a beach, on a bridge, throwing them into the water. He's doing backflips.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10130.256

Yeah, DDP's winning this round. He's definitely more active. Oh, there's that jab. Boy, you hit DDP, he gets mad. Yeah, he does. He goes bulldog mode on you. He's just got to do something significant other than just touch him with the jab. Sean?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10151.603

Well, he's looking for them openings. Low kick is so nice. The timing is so nice. And I think DDP just keeps getting better, too. That's the thing. And then as a champion, I think he's got even more confidence.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10172.372

And the kicks are just a totally different element, right? I mean, it's a distance thing. It's a power thing. You can't fire back when they're hitting you. You've got to really block them. And think about it. He hasn't even started grappling yet, so that's still in the chamber.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10187.23

It's just Sean is like mostly teeps and then jab one two, but it's almost all straight at you very few low kicks This took place in the center. See it's all the teeps He's doing a good job of avoiding those big bombs that are coming at him he's so hard to hit man He is, but he's getting his legs chewed up, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1020.46

He's got a fucking Kimura.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10222.843

I mean, that looks like a real fucking staph infection. I know Rockhold beat Weidman. He was on antibiotics. You know, guys have won big fights on antibiotics. Yeah, but it's so hard to fight on that stuff. Your energy is drained. The worst.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1024.082

Isn't Crute a middleweight? He looks... What is Jimmy Crute? He's 185, I believe. Yeah. I think he's a middleweight. Nice. Light heavyweight. Oh, he's fighting light heavyweight in this fight. Did he use to fight at 185? I think he did. I do believe he did. Is this a last-minute replacement fight, Jamie? This Jimmy Crute Bellotto, or is that the original? No, that's the guy he had, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10243.759

Matt, is there a way to mitigate the effects of antibiotics? Have you ever heard of anything that guys take? Nah, man, I didn't hear anything. Like heavy probiotics, is there anything that you can take that...

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10273.89

I had a shin. He's just like, Murab, you won. You won.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10282.959

Let's see what adjustments Strickland makes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10287.263

Well, he's got to make some adjustments to deal with these kicks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10298.051

DDP's so sneaky with that high kick. That's a nasty high kick, man. And there's a low kick again. He checked that one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10308.359

He's got to get through that shell, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10312.163

He's got to do something big. He needs to get on his bike.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10322.214

There again, he's sneaking that kick in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10335.848

Right. And DDP keeps chopping up the legs. It's not everything in a fight, but it's something. It's like no head shots have been landed. Yeah, in this fight, it's everything. It's all that's been landed to the body again. He's catching his elbow. Yeah, but still, that's horrible, dude. It's disappointing. Yeah, it's something. It's the most. Oh, there's a right hand over the top.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10358.308

Needs a little more of that. Oh, here we go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10365.931

Strickland's turning the gas. This is what we need. Strickland's hitting the gas now. We need this. He can't leave these rounds in the hands of the judges. This is the second round already. Oh, again. Checked it. I know, but it's still. It's like he's keeping them off balance with all that shit. Every time he goes to set up, which he sets up with everybody, DDP is just constantly doing this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10391.451

Low kick with the right coming. There it is. It's like he's constantly got these patterns that he throws. In that stance, it's the switch. Switching up. Yeah. Oh, there's a left hand. Oh, he landed that left hand.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10405.489

Yeah, because he's landing that in the transitions of these. Oh, that was a nice counter. Nice right hand. Nice right hand. Oh, yeah. Oh, there it is. There we go. There it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10423.482

He needs to get DDP to start engaging in a boxing slugfest. Because DDP's doing such a smart move with mixing in all these kicks, which fucks with everything. It fucks with your ability to time everything. And you have to keep getting reset. You keep reset. And every time you do it, he hits you again with it. Yeah, he's not letting him get comfortable. Oh, Strickland's... Nice, Sean.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10444.01

Where's he bleeding from? Where's Strickland bleeding from? His mouth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10448.631

He's having a way better round, though. He's also much more aggressive. Yeah. Much more forward. This is it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10465.242

Sean can just stand right there and just... He can celebrate in the Gulf of America after this. Oh, nice inside low kick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1047.728

It's interesting that he decided to do that, and he's an underdog. I don't know. I'm not familiar with a lot of them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10476.208

They're a pain in the ass because he's constantly resetting you. Yeah. You know, again, he's constantly reset. He never gives you a chance. There again, high kick. He's just, again, low kick. And the fucking, it's a smart game plan, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10491.651

Well, he can keep doing this. He can keep doing this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10495.536

And it's going to take Sean's legs away from him if he keeps doing it. I mean, Sean, as tough as he is, can only take so many of those fucking kicks to the legs. He keeps throwing shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10507.514

I know, but even checking them, Brian, they fucking blow. They suck. His left leg is all welted up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10517.328

He's gonna have to stop just sitting on the outside. There's the jab.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10524.075

There's another hard low kick, man. These are hard kicks, man. They're a bitch. It's part of the game that Sean just doesn't do. It's interesting because he's so good, but it's like such a specific attack, but he's so good at it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10540.662

Oh, he snuck it in again. He touched him with that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10548.424

It does count. Because Sean definitely doesn't want him kicking him in the face. Good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10566.474

It is crazy when you look at Sean's style. Like, who fucking fights like this? Stands totally straight up, does mostly front kicks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10574.659

Yes. But it's also why he's so fucking hard to hit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10588.509

It seemed like he definitely landed more kicks, but Strickland landed a few good punches in that round, at least. It was a better round for him, but now he's...

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10627.375

Right hand over the top.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1063.208

Both of these guys. You never know, but they're super exciting fights. Prado and Jake Matthews is a very good fight to kick it off with. I'm real excited about this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10632.919

Sean just gets just out of the way of the danger zone. It's just touching him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10639.164

Well, he spars so much, man. And there's something to be said for that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10643.248

Something to be said for that. Because that's like the majority of his training is sparring.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10648.212

Because it's just, you know. Let's go. Let's go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10659.71

Trick is just constant with these kicks and it's just like it's such an obvious pattern too. He does it over and over again.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10682.352

He's got to get something off and really win a round definitively and push a harder pace. Because this shit, like, Drakus could do this from the outside and he keeps having to reset. Oh, nice. That little stutter step. See that little stutter step?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10706.887

Constantly throwing shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1071.195

It's a fun card. Yeah. It's just not one of them cards that jumps out. If you're casual, you're like, where's Connor? Here's the thing. We're fucking so spoiled because in most sports, like in most combat sports, it's all about the main event.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10711.909

Yeah, it's like Sean is just not getting a chance to get things off. The time he's looking for the openings, they're just not there. But as it gets into the pace, Drickus is expending a lot of energy fighting like this. And Strickland usually gets way stronger.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10738.004

What a crazy style. Both of them. You mean very few round kicks, just teeps, a lot of jabs, right hands.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10750.646

I could see him doing that shit. He'd probably want to do it, too. Conor keeps talking about doing it. That might be the next time we see him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10762.409

Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10771.388

I don't know if Conor's ever going to fight again. He's worth so much money. I don't think so. It's hard when a guy's worth that much money. And then when he got saucy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10805.553

It's just DDP does not give you much chance to set up, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10812.829

I feel like he just needs to just make this uglier. Like, he's got to get closer to him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10820.099

Oh, did he catch that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10821.942

He got him a little bit with that spin.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10826.755

He just, God, he's constantly like, he never rests. And he's another guy who relies on his fitness, too, because this is an exhausting style, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10839.66

It's all exploding and like closing distance. That's a nice kick to the body. It's never stopping, man. He just does not give Strickland a chance to reset. And Strickland's got to get something big off, because this could be the round that makes it out of reach.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10860.132

If he loses this round, he's going to have to be going for broke. Right, because this is the round that passes him to a point where he can't win a decision.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1087.201

Most people are barely watching the prelims in boxing. Also, UFC has to fill a lot of cards, you know, so you can't have them stacked like it's fucking 1998.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

10874.041

Yeah, but so does Drickus. That's the problem. There it is. He's got to do something, put a stamp on this round. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1097.788

I don't know what to do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1103.291

There is nothing better for me than just chilling at home, watching the fights. I feel so relaxed. I don't have to work, and I can watch them. Best thing on earth. Yeah, you watch the screen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

11080.154

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The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

11140.35

I don't know. Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1115.382

Oh, I watch the fight when I can. But the problem is there's some positions where, especially when they're on the ground, I don't know if someone's trapped. I don't know how they have it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1123.95

Yeah, all I see is a back. and a dude and I'm confused as to what's going on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

113.385

Wasn't she a national? Yeah, she had a couple of injuries that derailed her career for a little bit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1130.115

I need to see the monitor with replays all the time because we don't know if a guy got hit or if it's a headbutt. Sometimes I remember Matt Serra when he fought Matt Hughes. I thought Matt Serra dropped him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

11457.509

I'm. ,,,,,,,,,.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1150.189

He was still standing. Look at that head. That head can take out a building. That head can take out a building. That head hit Tower 7.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1171.756

It was certainly both. But it was definitely your head hit him first.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

11752.762

It was that big right hand that changed everything. There's a nice elbow, a spinning elbow. This one right here. Boom. That was the game changer. I mean, look at his eyes. That changed the whole fight. Rolled his head back. Strickland was never the same after that broke out. That's fucking rough, man. Such a smart strategy, Matt. There's that high kick to the face.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1178.343

Look, Matt, you always had crazy power. That Frank Trigg knockout. I'm just happy I got to fucking hit him. He went through a lot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

11783.162

You mean Sean didn't take as much damage?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

11785.485

He got hit more in this fight than I think any fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

11811.517

Yeah, clear, you know, decision. So they probably gave Strickland a fourth round.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

11830.356

Very tough fight to figure out. Big fucker for 185, too. That's a big fucker. I want to see that fight, though. Man, he did a fucking great job of setting up, throwing that low kick, switch kick to the body, kept that pace up for the entire five.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1187.432

He's coming back. He looks really good. Who's coming back? Matt Serra. Is he in the GFL? I don't mean fighting. Is he in the GFL just now? I mean coming back from his injury. Come on, man. Jesus Christ. GFL. Stop it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

11953.835

Oh, yeah, that's a night-night when you get a touch game.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

11968.805

Probably get tased. Coach tases them. They tase them. They tase them and when they do something wrong, they tase them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

11981.433

That sucks. He just said he'll probably get tased.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12000.403

I want to hear what Sean has to say. Me too. I hope he doesn't bring up the staff. You can't, right? You got to talk about that tomorrow. Too soon.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1201.145

Okay. I said he looks a lot better since his rehabilitation. He's doing a lot of stem cells. Who's this? Matt Serra. Oh, okay. Excuse me. Matt Hughes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12012.189

Yeah, talk about that tomorrow. Maybe DC asks him. I would definitely ask him. Was that staff? Were you on antibiotics? That would have been probably my first questions.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12031.276

Let the fans talk for you. But is that staff?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12097.858

That was a good time. Thanks for having me. Did you feel a little down? A little down when Sean got beat up? I thought it would be more competitive. I thought it would be more competitive. Very impressive. He's not going to beat that guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

121.011

What kind of cancer? She beat cancer. Jesus.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12114.391

It's like, I thought Robert Whitaker was going to give him problems with that style. I really did. I thought Robert Whitaker with his leaping in style and he's like very light on his feet, fast as shit. I thought he was going to give him problems and DDP shut that shit down and then caught him with that right hook. He,

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1212.355

Matt Hughes got hit by a fucking train. Was that on purpose? No, no, no. His car fucking stalled out or something. I don't know what happened. I don't know, but it's depressing. I don't know what happened. Either way, it sucks. What are you talking about?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12135.51

It's hard to say because we don't know what happens to Hamza. There's so many question marks. We don't know. Hamza just shoots from like 15 feet away and gets a hold of your legs so quick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12159.12

Who was Hamzat supposed to fight? That was a last minute replacement was Usman.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12167.069

That would have been horrible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12182.739

And you've got to think his endurance is probably going to be better at 85 than it was at 70 because of the cut for Hamzat. 85 is really where he should have been all along.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12194.347

Usman went up 85. Usman's a world champion. In the third round, Usman did what a world champion does. He rallied. And then Usman's fucking dangerous standing up. He's still landing some good shots.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12205.693

You look at Gilbert, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12210.255

Dana White confirms Hamza Chemaev is next.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12215.077

I wonder where that is. That's got to be Vegas, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12221.181

You think so? I think he's got a UAE passport now. I think he gets into America. Oh, maybe in America.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12230.066

Yeah, I think he gets into America now. I mean, it's not like share a bullet. Probably never going to fight in America. Can't let a one-eyed fighter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12239.091

Apparently the UAE is having a problem with it, too. Yeah, it would be cool, man. United Arab Emirates?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12244.378

Like, when he fights in Abu Dhabi, they're like, hey, you only got one eye. It's kind of crazy. But they still let him do it. They let him do it in Saudi Arabia. You know? Yeah, true. He's the captain now. I'm very curious about that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12259.073

Bro, what a puzzle MVP is. What a puzzle. I mean, Sean Bullock just couldn't do nothing to him. But even on the feet, Ian Gary was getting lit up, too. Yeah, Ian Gary had to wrestle. He just had to wrestle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12276.326

Great fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12278.808

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12280.009

And you need a fight like that. Super close fight. I mean, you know the biggest disappointment this year? The arm on Tsuruki and pulling out the day of the fight. What the fuck happened there? Back seized up. Weight cut. I mean, you got to think. I think weight cut. How much is that guy cutting? To get to 55? And how juicy. I'm not saying he's on PDs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1229.918

Jesus Christ. I don't know. It's a train track like it's looting tunes. I don't know. Maybe he had some information on NASA. He was on a cyber truck? Yeah, they knew something. But anyway, the point is he looks great. It's been a long road for that guy to recover from that. He seems a lot better now. He walks a lot better. He's talking a lot smoother.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12301.83

And then he cut all that weight. He's 5'7", right? He's really short. He's probably 5'8", and he probably walks around 190. Jacked. I mean, he's thick. You see him off-season, he's fucking thick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12314.639

There's no way that's a back issue.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12318.401

I think that he said something is a way of doing it. He's big. Number one lightweight arm-on-secret. And Michael Chandler, our negotiator for a fight in Miami. Oh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12327.507

He resumed training. He's nearly 100% after a back injury, forced him out of the fight. I think it's just the weight. I think you cut that much weight, your muscles just cramp the fuck up, and he couldn't move.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12339.952

Tony Ferguson kept getting fucked up with his kidneys and all the weight cut. Just think about how much weight that is that you're draining out of your body. Like, Sorokin's probably getting at least 25 pounds.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12350.916

jugs of water out of his body 25 one pound jugs of water he's not a fat big guy yeah think about like a 16 ounce like a pepsi he's getting 25 of those out of his muscles that's crazy i think he's got to be 180 he looks big man he's so and do you see how fucking mobile that guy is when he's doing all his different like mobility exercises he's so flexible crazy back shit

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12384.86

Isn't it the worst part of the sport? The weight cut? That they do that 24 hours before a cage fight? It's so crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12399.573

Who's that guy that Joaquin Buckley beat? He had to take him down. He was beating him up on top. Big, fucking tall dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12410.509

It was a dangerous fight for Joaquin. He's a guy that's big for 170. Like, real tall.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12417.098

Yeah, tall and long.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12419.862

That guy. Oh, yeah, that's right. That guy's good, dude. I'm telling you, Buckley at 6'5". 6'5", 170. No, I had the belt at that weight. I'm 5'6". What would that look like? Buckley's probably 5'10". That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? 6'5". 6'5".

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12439.696

It's my height.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12442.037

Buckley did a fucking amazing job in that fight. How did he lose that fight? Was it a decision? Or did he...

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12453.104

Yeah, I don't know, man. He was so good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12455.746

He looked like a world champion. But he became a doctor or something, right? Maybe he decided, fuck it. I think he did become a doctor. Is he a doctor or is he a nurse?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12465.434

I think he's a nurse. Zabit was a nurse.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12473.641

Yeah, he was tall as fuck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12476.324

Yeah, he said he's 100% world champion.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12502.652

Well, he's only a smart guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12504.393

He's going to be a doctor. He's got other options.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12506.395

I mean, how's it end? Also, if you're a doctor, you really know what's going on with your brain. Correct. And you keep sparring.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1252.723

How was he? How was he then? He's all right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12524.177

When is the comeback? Oh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12529.779

Really? Are you sure?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12531.64

Break silence with an impressive training clip. Let's see what his training clip looks like.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12536.462

Oh. Throwing a lot of kicks. It could just be just being in shape, man. Yeah, probably at least. Who knows? I don't know. Maybe he's fucking – it looks like he's fucking training again. Yeah, he does. Look at it. Man, I hope he comes back. He's so awesome. Dude, he was wild to watch. Yep. He was wild.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12558.334

Not in the UFC. I don't know if he had any defeats in his career. Amazing. Did Zabit have any defeats in his career, young family? Phenomenal. Look at Dean Thomas with the plaid shirt on. Oh, dude, every time you look, you see Dean Thomas everywhere. He's got the sharpest clothes when he was at the UFC. Sometimes we have to comment on his clothes. He loves to be busy, that guy. What did he beat?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12586.618

Yeah. I mean, who knows?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12594.369

2019 was his last fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12596.572

That's six years ago. That's a long time ago. That's six fucking years ago. He's not coming back.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12604.301

At what point in time do you say Conor's never coming back? Is it now?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12618.268

Also, what's going on with that left leg? Oh, shit. I mean, Chris Ford again. He did. Yeah, he did. I mean... And late in his career, too. Late in his career.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12644.899

I think there's a PFL heavyweight that snapped his shin and came back and fought well. But he did it when he was younger. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12658.951

You ever see Gokhan Saki and Tyrone Spong?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12665.133

No, no, no. Tyrone Spong just hit him right below the knee and it just snapped like a twig, just like Chris. Just like Anderson.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12676.095

Oh, look at Sean's nose. Oh, my goodness.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1272.472

Yeah, I mean, especially the car accident with the train. The train? After a long career of, like, you know, a lot of Rock'em Sock'em Robots fights.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12736.967

They sewed it back on? I guess. Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12775.761

They just had a close-up on him. They put a little bit on you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12777.982

Yeah, he looks like Gilbert, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12779.463

They always force you to wear that makeup. I don't wear shit. They always try to get me with the power.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12786.634

To me, it was always so offensive to wear makeup while dudes' whole faces are hanging off. Yeah, it's wild. Imagine if you're stepping in there and Rainey Aldana, remember that fight? Went in the sphere where it was like a hatchet wound. Imagine if I had makeup on and I was interviewing her. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

128.956

Oh, here we go. We got something to mix it up with. Oh, LaCroix's. Here we go. There you go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12806.114

Irene Aldana? No, you're thinking of Ioana. Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12818.07

Oh, shit. In her prime, she was a monster.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12832.748

Not a lot. Not a lot. Not much competes with that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12840.23

Yeah, well, my friend Jake was talking to me about it, and then I watched it. He said, dude, she just ran over McKenzie Dern. I was like, really? I'm like, that's impressive. And then I watched it last night on YouTube. Jiu-Jitsu's good. I had it down. She did a seminar at my place, too. How about that hip toss, too? Oh, it was beautiful. Oh, my God. She has a judo background, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12856.457

That's what it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12876.391

It's like jiu-jitsu, like, as just a sport, as, you know, like, you look at the highest of highest level guys right now, it's so exciting. And now that, like, CGI, like, Craig Jones Invitational is giving out a million bucks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12890.879

They're so good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12891.8

That's one thing I really like about 1FC. You know, they had all those just straight-up grappling matches. Like, Mikey, remember Mikey Michimachi? Tap that dude's, rip that dude's knee apart. He wouldn't tap. Craziest shit I've ever seen. Remember that, dude? He just kept ripping it apart, and you know his knee's gone. It's gone, and he won't tap, and it's just rip, crack, pop.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12911.094

And Mikey was like, it was disgusting. Like, why'd you make me do that to you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12917.18

No, just for fight pass, those fight pass invitationals, which is great that they're doing that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12944.067

You know one of the biggest travesties of all time?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12946.71

When they took Damian Maia off of Kamaru Usman's back.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12957.317

They separated that. Oh, I'm going to stink about that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12962.981

You had Kamaru Usman. He had that left hook over the top early on the fight, dry. And he's basically taking his back. And Kamaru's in deep water. And Kamaru's only loss up until that point was his first fight, rear naked choke. Fuck. And it was timing the round and everything. And it's Damian Maia. Yeah. Who's like one of the greatest stranglers of all time. He's going to strangle you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

12985.751

He was one of the greatest stranglers of all time. Yeah. I mean, just phenomenal jiu-jitsu.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13019.347

So what are the big fights that are coming up next? Like, what do we got? Alex. So we don't know what's going to happen at lightweight now. I hope, as crazy as it sounds, I hope Ilya goes up to 55. I really do. Volkanovski, Diego Lopez, 45. I'll take that. Ilya goes up to 55. Fuck, I don't care if he only defended the title one time or didn't. Agree. Who cares?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13042.739

Let's go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13044.4

I think you should face a couple of those guys first, like you just said. Yeah, it'd be nice, but also, who cares? Let's go. Let's go. If you want to make the big fight for July, you want to make that big fight in July. Is it the Volkanovski rematch? I don't know. I think Volkanovski, people want to probably see him win one. Or he gets KO'd by Islam in the first fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13064.354

He gets KO'd by Islam in the second fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13067.736

You want to see him fight. Well, he gets beaten by Islam in the first fight. He gets KO'd in the second fight. And then he gets KO'd by Ilya. So two KO losses in a row in one decision. Even though he's a legend, you kind of want to see him beat a contender.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13085.958

Maybe. I mean, I wouldn't hate a rematch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13094.025

It's one of those ones where I hope Alex is 100% and I want to see it. He should be. He shouldn't have fought him back quickly after getting KO'd by Islam. Terrible idea. Three months, four months later. He took a shot. He took a shot. So if you want to do a big July card, you could do that, Makhachev.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13117.183

That would be the greatest card of all time. Fuck. Can you imagine? Two guys go up. Drikus goes up. Ilya goes up. Drick is versus, but then again, look, Uncle Ive is tough, man. That ain't a gimme. That ain't a gimme. That's a tough fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13134.755

He's not really a wrestler. He's not really a wrestler. He's more of a striker. And he said he's going to knock him out standing. That's what he says. Until he feels that fucking... Oh, look at that. One ten, one ten. Even fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13149.522

That is going to be wild. What is this? What day is this? Is this March? Yeah. Yes. March. Let me see what else is on that card. Oh, my goodness. Mauricio Rufi and King Green. Bro, Rufi's nasty. That guy's good. Rufi is nasty. He's fucking good, man. That's a great fight. That's a great fucking fight. Nice. I like it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1315.093

Yeah, it's true He seems happy man, I ran into him a few times, but that's what you want as a rapper as a judge Like these judges tonight, you know, no disrespect what the fuck like you think they're gonna be able to judge Strickland's Well, who knows who they have maybe they have good ones has been judging Yeah, Chris Lieben's great.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13175.967

He's fucking good, man. He's fucking good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13185.233

Some good fight nights. Cannoneer and Rodriguez, that's a good fight. Oh, my God. Bro, Cejudo and Song Yedong is a tough fight for Cejudo. Song Yedong is fucking dangerous, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13198.242

When is that? He was, but he can't. He wants to come back. He can't. February 22nd.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13202.445

Oh, that is real soon.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13222.306

Yeah, man. He's fucking still good, too. This is crazy. How about Ricky Simone still in the heat? All right. Let's wrap this up. Bring it home. Fun times. Matt Serra, thank you very much for joining us. Thanks, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13239.376

Yeah, I'm so glad you're doing a podcast. Dude, I'm having fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

13247.398

Yeah, baby. I'm your guy. I'm your guy. Yes. Brennan Schaub, tell everybody, Drive Fast, All Gas. DriveFastAllGas.com. Find the kid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

134.2

I'm going to have a sip of this. That's okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

138.243

Thank you, man. I appreciate it. Yeah, that's a good fight. Shawn Whaley is such a monster, man. She's so hard to bet against. That lady is such an animal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1391.204

458, 454, 453, 452, 451, 450, 449.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1391.645

Good enough. All right, figure it out. All right, so first round, Matthews and Prado. I get that line over there, Joe? Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. How's my favorite person, Henzo Gracie?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1416.057

I got to get Henzo in here, man. Give him a call. He is the best. We almost did it one time. He was in Austin, but the timing was bad. He's so smart. He was just recently in Austin.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1427.14

Well, he's got gyms all over the world, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1439.349

He was the first one I heard of doing it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1450.494

He's sharp on his feet. His defense has been looking good. His defense has been looking very good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1458.418

He's super technical. And like I said, he's one of those guys that seems to me like he's going to break out into the top five. He's one of those guys that's got the talent, and he's real young. How old is Jake Matthews, young Jamie? He's been around a hot second. Maybe 29, if I'm guessing? I'd say 31. But he's just like one of those guys that's always been at the cusp.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1481.446

Do you like it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1483.339

What does it make you think of?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

150.288

She has not. She's never fought anybody like her. Not even close. Neither of them have fought anybody of the caliber that they are. That's why it's a great fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1506.729

Good knees, too. Oh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1510.13

Matthews is fucking dangerous. I... Doesn't that dude look like Drew Dober? Prado?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1515.134

A lot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1519.618

That's like Drew Dober's bitter younger brother who's not as good looking. God damn it. Fucking Drew. I bring my girlfriends over, they're staring at Drew.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1532.27

Always on his tippy toes when he's fighting. Who's got fucking better, like, constant staying on the ball of their feet than Drew Doberman? He's always, like, light on his feet. Always super light on his feet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1544.892

It's ridiculous. B-Striker, too. B-Striker. Fun fighter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1557.394

Oh, he's got good everything, man. Matthews is super well-rounded.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1563.324

But Prado's good, too, man. This is a good fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1567.694

This guy's got that anger of Drew Dober being handsomer than him, too. That shit carries you a long way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1574.238

Because it's just a little bit. It's like, God damn it, if my nose was just a little different. Yeah. My eyes were just a little more vibrant.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1581.482

Yeah, like tanned. That's not quite there. You know how Kanye dated that new lady? He's married. Their girl looks a lot like him. Well, she's hot, but it's not Kim. Right. I think she's hotter than Kim.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1604.052

I think that girl was born looking like that, though. You know what I'm saying?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1608.673

Like, I don't think those are... Like, I wasn't mad when she showed up to the Grammys naked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1616.214

She has a real ass. I think it's all real. I think hers is... I don't think her tits are real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1620.575

They're all real. Shut your mouth. Facts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1624.698

Shut your dirty whore mouth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1627.402

Shut your dirty whore. Oh, that's not surprising. Oh, shit. Nice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

163.874

Isn't that crazy to say? Because Alex Pereira's 37. Different. Yeah, isn't it? That's weird, though, right? Talking chicks, bro. You get older, 31, you start going... Isn't that interesting? Especially if they're lighter weight class. Lighter weight class.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1652.972

You know what I mean? I do that sometimes in podcasts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1656.995

I ask questions that I know answers to. I can't get people to relax. Yeah, come on, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1661.158

Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Dude, Prado. Oh, my goodness.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1671.227

Somebody's getting caught.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1673.248

Jake is clean, man. He's clean. I like the way this dude strikes. These guys have been doing some boxing. Super technical, man, but hyper-aggressive, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1682.572

He blocked it, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1683.552

He hit him with the Yair. Yeah. Jumping roundhouse kick. Oh, he's bleeding now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1687.434

Uh-oh. Prado's busted up on his right eyebrow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1711.817

What kind of bow do you use? I think he did. He just forgot his bow. Oh, he forgot the name of his bow. Listen, there's levels to this shit. I would never forget my bow. But I'm a fanatic. I shoot archery every day.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1729.251

Yeah, he does. He has. No, no, no. He definitely has.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1734.734

He definitely bow hunts pigs. He lives on an island. He has an island in Kauai that's infested with wild pigs. No, he does hunt them. I've seen videos of him doing it. It's just someone gives him a bow. He doesn't look at it. He doesn't care. Somebody teaches him how to shoot. He doesn't know what release he has. If I said, what do you have? You have a stand? You have a wise guy? What do you have?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1755.011

He's too rich for that. Do you use a hinge? Do you have a knock to it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1764.08

So I just know where he goes. I bow hunt. And I thought, oh. But this is Zuckerberg 2.0, and I love it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1772.848

He's doing testosterone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1774.829

He's awesome. I don't know if he's doing tests. I hope he's doing tests. I think he is. But he certainly looks a lot thicker. He looks great. When he came in, I was laughing at him. I'm like, your neck looks bigger.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1787.415

Well, it's convenient. Well, also, hard work makes you think that way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1791.718

Hard work physically makes you appreciate some masculine aspects of life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

180.415

Pantoja's a fucking stud. He might be the best guy pound for pound alive. He's a beast. He might be right up there with Tapuria and Islam and Jon Jones and everybody else who's in the conversation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1810.432

When you're that rich... This fight is heating up, kids. These guys are going... Elon has some wide hips, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1823.162

He's a lot thinner now. He got on that Ozempic, son.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1826.085

Dude, everybody's... What is with that shit? Is that a cheat code or what?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1832.111

But what... Well, it's a little bit of a cheat code because what it does is it makes you not hungry. And so people don't eat as much and you go on a calorie deficit. But you could do that on your own.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1840.819

It's called discipline. It's hard for people, but the best way to do it if you want to do it on your own, just only eat meat. I swear to God, you'll lose a shit ton of weight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1854.198

Yeah, I got it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1860.14

Yeah, Ozempic's got a bunch of other uses, too. And it's also for diabetes. Doesn't it stop addiction overall, though? I heard people... Yeah, because it blocks the craving pathway. But what is it... It ruins your bones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1873.366

Well... The problem is anytime you go into calorie deficit, your body starts eating itself. So what people are losing is not just fat. They're losing muscle and bone density. So Peter Attia, who's a good friend of mine, did some studies on his patients that did it. And he found that even when they lost weight, they got fatter. So they actually gained more fat and they lost muscle and bone mass.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1894.142

Ain't that a bitch. You don't want that. You want to be weaker. But this is what I think. I think, were those people lifting weights while they were on that stuff? Here's the thing. I feel like you've got to do something to mitigate the fact that you're... And also, you've got to be rational. You can't just try to starve yourself into thinness because you're going to fuck your organs up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

191.419

Yeah, but god damn, man. He was so good against that Japanese cat. I was like, my god.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1913.703

It's not good. What you really should do is make sure you consume enough calories to support any kind of physical exercise you're doing. And then make sure you do physical exercise while you're also taking that stuff. And maybe then you can keep some muscle and bone mass. That takes discipline. They want to just take the shot and get skinny and lean. People do get skinny, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1959.299

He's taller than me, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

1969.728

What were you eating? Your lower back didn't fuck with you or nothing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

199.442

He came out there like a fucking hellcat. Hellish striker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2007.439

Oh, Jake Matthews just landed a good right hand.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2014.701

Did you just see that much, Matt?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2021.068

I think he's doing really well on the feet. That's why. He wants to get a KO.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2028.496

Al would survive with Khabib, but still a short notice for Al. I know it's a different fight for Khabib, but he struggled in that fight. Al had his moments.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2049.333

It's amazing. Felder was a great winner. He didn't get dominated. Felder was fucking great. He lost the fight, but he didn't get dominated like a lot like Conor did or a lot of other guys did. We got smashed. Conor had some success, too, in that, though, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

205.224

Dangerous striker. Dangerous striker. So good. But think about it. They had to sign a homeboy from Rizin to compete with him. There's not much for him. Pantoja's an animal, and he keeps getting better. He looked better in that fight than ever before. His timing and everything was pristine. How old is he? 34, maybe. How old is Pantoja? That's rare at that size.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2059.3

Yeah, if you watch it again. There was one round.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2078.07

This is post-Floyd. Yes. Yeah, that's a problem, too, right? You get ready for a boxing match with one of the all-time greats. You've got to take six months where you're not doing any takedowns, no leg kicks, no nothing. All you're doing is boxing. Bad idea. You're not going to take any extra energy and train your fucking jiu-jitsu when you're training for a Floyd Mayweather boxing fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2098.805

It's a terrible idea. When he's on top of him going, let's talk now. Now, the other side is you made a ton of money.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2106.631

Yeah, who is it that said, someone said recently that I think if the Conor McGregor, who beat Eddie Alvarez, face Khabib, it would have been a completely different fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2117.679

I don't remember who it was, but I listened to that and I said, you know what? I think that's true.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2122.66

I think he was a different guy, but I think he was a different guy. He was a fucking animal. Space management.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2136.504

Oh, it's always going to be a problem. But Connor was so fucking good on his feet back then. So good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2176.923

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

223.812

I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

229.915

He's one of my absolute favorite guys to watch fight. Monster, yeah. Just an animal. Just a dog. Just a full... Beautiful jiu-jitsu. Beautiful. Crisp striking. Yeah. His striking was super impressive against that Japanese cat because I was like, man, the timing is just so good. There was no place where that guy was safe, you know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2314.628

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2368.848

Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2442.779

Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2522.534

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

266.023

Yeah. That's on you. There's a lot of things going on, but it's also weird that 125, it's real hard to sell. 135, no problem. Because 125, you got Sugar Sean, you got Marab.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2751.954

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The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

284.376

How do they not think that about the 135s? How is it 10 pounds? Like, ah, okay. Isn't that weird?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2892.833

Oh, so good. Season three? I'm on the first season. I'm almost done with it. Oh, Jesus. It's got three fucking seasons? Yeah, three seasons. It's fantastic. Believable and scary as hell. Stephen King. Balls deep in it, man. I like it. Damn, I'm in. I'm in. Yeah, it's great. I'm going to write it down. Put it in my notes. It's worse.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

29.669

You can't hear it? You don't hear anything? You hear it now? Poor me. You don't hear anything? Jamie will check it out. It might be a wires loose.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

295.723

What about Mighty Mouse? Marab. Bro, Mighty Mouse was amazing when he was a champion. Amazing. He was doing wizardry on people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2960.294

You know? It took the place of kung fu movies. Is that what it is?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2969.3

Are they really? Yeah. What is it? NFL players. All right, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

2981.379

Interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3.874

It's buffering. Wow. That's it? We're live?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3009.712

That's weird that that worked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3020.841

I love that guy. Oh, he's a Hall of Fame inductee. Fight wing. The Kelvin Gastelum fight. Oh, my God. Izzy. Fuck, yeah. That's well worth one of the greatest fights of all time. Look at that jacket. Oh, what's going on?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

303.908

Wizardry.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3039.9

Rightfully so. Yeah, rightfully so. That was an amazing fight. Oh, my God. That was one of the greatest all-time fights. Gastelum, Gastelum. Let me lick this motherfucker. Just pull down there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3065.482

All right. Yeah, it's out of juice. Oh, here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3070.045

Yeah, there's some in there. It's in the bottom. It's a little hole. Where's your school, Matt?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3090.841

Matt, remember when I met you? We went to your gym. It was like you picked us up. You picked us up at the train station. Yeah, you had a gig. I was going to fight BJ Penn.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

310.551

Where he suplexed him and caught him in the arm all the way down? Yeah, man. I never seen anything like that. Yeah, he's 34. Fucking animal. 34 at 125 is, I think, 56. There's talk about him going to 35. Him versus Marab would be fucking bananas. Yeah, but not.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3109.532

We took a train from the city out to Long Island, went to Matt's gym. It was awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3116.457

Yes, yes, where you piss into the bucket every night. He was drinking so much water because he was training and living in the gym. He had an apartment in the gym, and he had a big old piss bucket. So you take a jug, like a gallon jug, and stick his dick in it, and put it right, and screw it back on so he didn't have to get out of bed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3172.19

That was like an awesome thing to see, though. Such dedication. You were living in the gym. He just had a bedroom there. He's like, all I'm doing is just training. Just constant training. Living here, teaching and training.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3199.761

Well, how about John Donner fucking used to sleep on the mats? He probably still is a professor at Columbia.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3211.503

He was one of the first guys. I talked him into it way back in the day. I was in the middle of the pandemic. They were in Puerto Rico. I was like, get out of there while you can.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3221.71

He's a little twisted.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3232.677

Suffers no fools.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3234.258

He's not here to suffer fools. Yeah. Fascinating guy, too. I mean, you want to talk about a cheat code that Gordon Ryan has, and he talks about it all the time. He's like, you have a guy who's got maybe the greatest mind ever in combat sports, and he's your coach. And he doesn't give a fuck about anything else. When he's not teaching, he's studying tape. He studies tape all day long.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3253.633

He's just a robot. And he's a minimalist, too, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3272.904

Isn't it crazy, too, that one thing that was said to him, that Dean Lister said to him once, why would you ignore 50% of the human body?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

328.93

Ever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

330.792

Amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3314.071

When Dean was in his prime, he was a fucking monster. Dean Lister was a monster. He was so hard to deal with.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3322.277

And he was obsessed with jiu-jitsu. You know, Jocko trained with him. And Jocko said, look, he's got a fucking mind, like a steel trap for jiu-jitsu. Like positions and counters and moves. It's like always, like you have to be fucking psychotic and obsessed. It's like chess. It's just how long can you do it for? Yeah. And then he started fighting in the UFC.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3342.098

And when he was fighting in the UFC, he wasn't a striker. He didn't have striking. It just wasn't good enough to hang with the best guys. Because on the feet, he'd be at such a disadvantage. And it's so hard to get guys down. It's hard. But when it came to straight jiu-jitsu, Dean Lister was a fucking monster. He was great. He was so good. And he got big. Yeah. You remember Jeff Munson?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3366.534

Oh, my God. Does he live in Russia now? Yes, he does. Yes. He lives in Russia. He's married to a Russian. He speaks Russian. Remember that tattoo on his back?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3380.903

Oh, yeah, full on. Yeah, he's out of Russia, bro. Yeah, he's all in. He's all in with Mother Russia. He always wanted to be a Russian.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3390.434

He's an odd dude, man. Oh, fuck, yeah, he is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3394.259

Yeah. Smart, yeah. He was also built like a grape. He was like one gigantic muscle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3404.526

It was just a grape with giant arms. All natural. He was a tank. Yeah, definitely not. But I'll tell you what, formidable. And he was one of the first guys to do north-south chokes. And because he was so strong, people assumed that it was a goon move. Look at him. He would just grab your neck and squeeze it. And then people realized, no, it's basically like a guillotine from a different position.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3425.27

Yeah, he's a bastard.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3427.811

That was when he was at Full Juicy Juice. He looks great. Find that picture of him in the riots. Good fucking, like, and you can tell the riot guys are like, what the fuck? He's a cartoon. Look at him. He's standing there with his fucking hammer and sickle tattoo. Monster.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3448.134

Just some other guys and then get the joke as well.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3454.676

Yeah, and it's like capitalism. He's got a guy with a gun to another guy's head. It's his capitalism. He's standing in front of these riot guys. Who took the picture?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3465.848

Well, it's obviously like an angle shot because he's not that tall, but it's a terrifying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3473.953

He was an excellent wrestler. He was like very, very, very, very hard to beat in jiu-jitsu, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3482.757

He's so strong, too. Just so strong. And fucking durable as shit as a fighter, too. Remember when he fought Chuck Liddell? Tough, man. Yeah, he was durable, man. Monson was a monster. Big fucking dude, man. Here goes Jimmy Crute. Here we go. God, I swore that someone had said this was off the card. I think they lost three fights.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3512.279

Here we go. Here we go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3516.203

Am I wrong in that Crute used to fight middleweight?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3521.339

I think so.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3558.263

Man, the heavyweight division is so shallow. I was just thinking that the other day because if they don't make Jon Jones versus Tom Aspinall, what is compelling?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3567.229

Unless they bring Francis back, unless the PFL collapses and he gets released. That could happen. Oh! Oh, that's a fuck-up. Jimmy landed on top. That's a big fuck-up. Oh, shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

357.422

I get him so riled up. Anybody from Dagestan, that guy's going to crush him. Bro, Murab is a machine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3589.871

This is a terrible position.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3606.883

Good pressure there with that right bicep, too. Good pressure under the neck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3615.268

Oh, he's hitting some hard shots.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3622.433

Smothering. Let's go, Cass. Look at that arm triangle. Look at that arm triangle. That's some good pressure. He could get his way to three quarters. These are hard fucking left hands, too, and they're not getting blocked. Like, he's getting some good power in this. He doesn't like it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3643.544

He's going under. He's looking for fucking Kimura. Yeah. He's looking for anything. He's got good control, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3652.227

He's going to spin to the back after this shit. He might take a darts. He might take a darts. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3659.191

Here it goes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3669.497

No. They got mad at me for calling it that. They told me not to call it that anymore.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3674.92

I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3676.401

The problem is that in training, we would call it the rape joke. And then I said it in competition. I'm laughing. We lost this fight. Canceled a weight management issue.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3688.838

That was the only one? Oh, that's the one we lost today. That's today's. Oh, yeah. He can go to three quarters here, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3699.802

They didn't give me a name. I said, it doesn't really have another name. And then someone said, did you call it the eagle claw? I'm like, shut the fuck up. I guess you call it look at this Flowing it's flowing nice man. Oh there you go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3715.928

It's more It's more than diving for the back and then up on bottom, you know He's also taking advantage of the dude exploded and then he pummels him with a couple I was when he's knows trying to relax a little kids could be exhausted a hundred percent. He's already exhausted He had explode to try to get to that position. He's like he's like it didn't work and now he's demoralized flat

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3740.52

Not much time to work, but he's got such a dominant position. I'd like to see him soften him up some more. Try to fucking move to him. He's trying to get the mount.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3759.505

Oh, he just has full control. He has full control. He's fully confident.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3765.429

The way he rode him right there, that's like, I could just do this all night long. That was like no worry about losing position.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3772.452

he's just gotta get out of that assume a guy on the bottom of those whose coaches they're going to get up but he's doing such a good job controlling i would say get out of that half car he knows his escape routes yeah yeah he doesn't have many options but he's using the half car to control a little bit oh he gets back up there we go nice boom boom boom oh right here oh he landed one he landed one too he's exhausted oh dude i like this 20 to go

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3800.229

Oh, he dropped him. The fuck? Oh.

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Don't do it. Oh, he's getting hammered.

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Oh, yeah, 10-8 round.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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10-8 round.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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3824.693

They need to throw those bitches out more often.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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3828.137

I mean, how much time did he have on top?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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3833.462

He's fine. Look who Brian's rooting for. I'm not saying. I'm just saying. His coaches are going, weird. Don't do that again. Yeah. Don't do that. I don't think he landed anything. No. No, that was a 10-8.

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3847.073

Yeah. Full domination on the ground. Brutal ground and pound. Heard him standing up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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3865.443

That sucks. If that's not a 10-8 round, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3869.264

But they need to do that more often because there's too many close rounds that they give 10-9 and then they give a round like this a 10-9. Damn. I've been saying this forever. We need to get off that fucking stupid boxing system. MMA has too many factors to just have a 10-point system. It doesn't make any sense.

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I don't know. They should change it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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3892.23

Well, Doc Hamilton came up with another system back in the day. He called it a half-point system, and he explained it to me, and it made more sense. Instead of full points for certain things, give half points for certain things.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Suck my dick. Well, here's another problem. Only three judges. Why? Tell me why. Are judges expensive? Get five judges or six judges. Have a bunch of judges.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3921.958

It's too hard to see. As long as they have monitors. They have monitors now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3928.221

No. There should be five of them. You want to hear the thuds. No, they should be in Ukraine. You want to hear the thuds. They should be in Ukraine. You want to hear the thuds.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3936.464

You want to be there while you're- You want to like hear guys yelling at each other you want to be like right there get an aerial point I've got nice shots because for you to say that like well I should probably do a commentary somewhere else, too But no you want to be right great. Did you not dictate in the fight?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

3953.93

That's true, but I'm not Looking at it, but some of those guys know I would rather have you judge the fight I Well, I mean, Lieben is obviously going to do a great job. Ricardo Almeida is going to do a great job. Look, the L.A. card had great scoring. The L.A. card didn't have any egregious decisions. There was not one where everybody was like, what the fuck is that? That's pretty rare.

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3983.003

It's insane. It is insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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400.051

Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4031.518

Those Italian ladies have genetic anger. They got a genetic anger inside of them. Yeah, they're strong. And muscular. Your wife's Italian, too? No. I gave off on Italians when I was 21. Oh, you're funny. I was like, eh, I can't be dating my people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

404.375

Yeah, that was amazing, but the thing about Umar is Umar's striking is really elite. It's elite and deceptive. He does a bunch of stuff that no one does. One of the things he does is his crazy front kick. And he throws a right leg roundhouse kick and a left leg roundhouse kick to the face, both of them with equal dexterity, both off the lead leg.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4048.55

I can't be dating my people. Yeah, a lot of Viking shit. This is a good fight. B, your wife, she's white.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4060.733

She came off the Mayflower, son.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4072.042

Pilato's learning a lot of good solid leg kicks. Isn't it crazy, Matt? Like, your whole career, did you get calf kicked once?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4079.752

It's a new trend.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4092.62

I'd want guys to kick because you could take them down. Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4097.424

But isn't it crazy? Like, there's never been a technique like the calf kick where all of a sudden it came along and everybody had it and it changed the course of fights.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4104.889

Nothing crazy. Nothing crazy, just kicking lower.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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4109.652

Why? Well, they stand with that left leg light. Oh, is that what it is? Because they don't have to worry about takedowns, so they stand straight up. So they stand straight up, and you see the Thais fight, that left leg's very light. It's just not good for getting taken down. It's not a good strategy, unless you have elite, like, BJ Penn-type balance.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4128.303

Jesus, they're back.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4142.191

Well, he's landing a lot of hard leg kicks, man. Look, he did it again and again and again. That left leg, Crute's going to get chewed the fuck up. What are you saying? Did you say Crute's going to knock him out?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4152.236

He's landing pretty flush. The kid's not moving.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4164.592

Those low kicks, though, are brutal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4171.475

God damn.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4175.056

Oh, another low kick. Not good for your head. I'm telling you, he limped a little on that one. Okay, he don't like it. Nope. He's trying to change stances. Yeah, his left leg's fucked right now. Dude, you're right. Bellator's earning his fucking.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4187.061

Oh. Dang. Got him right in the mullet. He kicked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4191.383

Oh, he tried to do one himself. Like Charlie Brown, though. Oh, that was terrible. But it's also his left leg is toast. He tried to spit it on that thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4199.47

Yeah, it's like, oh, this thing don't even work anymore. That was a great round. It was a great round. I don't know who won that round.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4212.742

He's tired, though. Yeah, he's ahead one round for sure. At least one point. Even if that guy got 10-9 this round. So he has to.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4226.074

You mean you just don't know? I think also they're in Australia. They're probably going to favor Crute.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4234.658

Yeah, he hit him with the more meaningful blows, for sure. But damn, that's a lot of damage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

424.012

He whips that lead leg over your shoulder and smacks guys in the face. And his timing. It worked for him. He couldn't. Keep the pace. No one can. Nobody can.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4245.505

Not much with the judges.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4247.651

Definitely not as much as headshots, but, man, it should mean a lot. Like, when Pereira hits you there, it's just a few of those, and you see guys like, even guys like Jan Bohovic, who's made out of metal. That guy was limping. Like, he didn't like it. He's, like, 43 now. How old is he now? Jan is, like, in his 40s, but still top of the heap.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4264.622

People keep leaving him out of the discussion, but that guy went to a draw with Ankalayev. Yeah. And, I mean, he's the first guy to go to decision. No, second guy. Bruno Silva went through decision with Alex, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4282.293

Bro, his left leg is fucked up. Makes you gun-shy as fuck. He's landed, like, 30 of them. He keeps kicking them. Jan's okay, because light heavyweight's pretty light, too. Well, I mean, just people are sleeping on him. They're not bringing up Jan Bohovic in the discussion of, like, who's next. It's Yuri. It's these guys. It's that guy. It's like...

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4298.103

got to bring yon into that discussion and he just went through major surgery he had a shoulder surgery yeah yeah he tore something in his shoulder i don't know when he's ready to return i don't even know if he's done rehab i'm not sure but i mean out of respect i feel like you got to bring that guy up he's an animal hey uh joe out of left field but with the stem cells you when you get that shit out here do you get the iv well yes i get the idea as well yeah

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Well, they can do way more down there. Okay, all right. Then I'm taking that trip. They can do a lot. But I don't know what the actual dose you need is. So this is what Brigham's argument is at Ways to Well. He's like, look, we have amazing results with what we can use here in America. And they definitely use more cells in these other places.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4346.758

And there's certain things they can do, like in Mexico and Panama and Colombia, that they just can't do here. The question is... Is it more effective? This is the problem with it not being legalized with the FDA. Because if it was, and you could do in Mexico what you could do here, then you would be able to say, oh, this is too much. This is the right amount. Do more than this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4367.727

It's just like your body doesn't utilize it. It's like there's a number that you're probably going to get to that's the right amount of cells. We don't really know. All we know is it works.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4381.254

I had a full-length rotator cuff tear in my shoulder. It's gone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4389.103

Jiu-Jitsu is so rough on your shoulders. Do you think how many times you're in weird positions and you're pushing off? And you're scrambling and your arm hits the ground.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4400.641

We can get you here. We can get you in here. And if that works, you don't need anything else. But the other thing is peptides. Get yourself some BPC-157, TB-500. Peptides? Yeah, it's the Wolverine stack.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4443.428

It heals quick. Dude, look at this. And that's why it's so legal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4448.529

Well, why are you using something that's not approved by the FDA, Brendan?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4454.17

Why are you using something that's not... Why are you giving out advice in a public forum? Not approved by the FDA. That's how you know it's good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4468.304

Just go bald like these guys, Brian, for God's sake.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4471.206

All changes with RFK. If he gets in, I hope that peptides become everywhere. It could help a lot of people. And by the way, this fucking, this Wagovi shit, this Ozempic shit, that's a peptide. Is it? Yeah, GLP-1 agonist. Wow. I hope he chills out on the vaccines for kids, too. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Oh, my. Another low kick. Oh, my goodness.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4494.843

So, that left kick, that left leg route has got to be fucked up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4513.359

See, the thing is, it's like those leg kicks have compromised him so badly, and he keeps landing them. Like, Crute just can't get off. He can't move right, right now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4524.45

Yeah, but he's falling forward.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4531.578

He's making contact, but he's limited to one leg in his arms. Yeah, he's still catching them. Oh, my God. He's trying to go southpaw now. Jesus, this is rough. Tough way to make a living. Low kick has changed this whole fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4547.75

He hit him another one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4550.072

And another one. Bro, it's just he's relentless with that low kick. And I love when guys do that. I want to see more of that because it changes everything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4570.408

No, no, they're cool. That's fucking smack.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4574.991

He hit him with like a karate chop.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4578.433

I think Crude got it. I think so, too. Who knows, man? Hell of a fight. It's close. That could be a draw. If anything, it's a draw. That could be a draw. I would have to go watch the second round and not talk.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4589.659

A little back kick. Honestly, he caught him with the toes, though. Spent more time on top.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4599.248

When you land a back kick with the toes, it doesn't have much on it because your foot gives. So when you land it with your toes like that, sidekick style, your foot gives. You really want to land it with the heel. Oh, dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4612.723

A heavyweight to do a spinning kick. And perfect. You see, we watched it in slow-mo to watch his ribs cave in. Nasty. Bro, it was like halfway into his body cavity.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4627.275

Why is he sticking his tongue out?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4631.719

That's the last few seconds of the fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4649.682

He was walking around. Oh. Leg kicks are horrible. The worst. Remember Aldo and Uriah Faber?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4658.377

Watch how deep John's heel goes into Stipe's body. Look at this. Boom. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. Look how deep it goes into his fucking rib cage, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4669.327

All of his organs just had to get compressed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4673.331

Perfect. It's like a horse kicking you. Perfect spinning back. Bro, it's such a powerful kick. There's so much torque.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4680.375

Off his feet. Look how deep it goes in. That is so crazy. Oh, my God. Oh, that's powerful. Here's the judging. It's a draw. He won.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4699.425

Majority draw.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4705.37

That's the 10-8 round in the first round. That means the other guy won the next two, and that's it. One judge gave it to the crew.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

471.494

Did you see what DC said on his Instagram? DC went to visit him the day after the fight. Yeah. And he's running. He loves it. So he beats Sugar Sean, wins the world title. DC goes to visit him at his house. He's not home. He's running. DC's wandering around his house. He doesn't even know he's there. He just walks into his fucking house, and he's filming Merab's gym.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4713.217

We'd have to watch that second fight, or second round, rather.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4717.04

You wouldn't say crew got robbed. Shit. I have no problem with draws.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4723.485

Diego Lopez versus Yair Rodriguez is what they're going to do. Is that what they're doing? That's what they're going to do. That's what I heard. Is that announced?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4737.597

So is Lopez, bro. Lopez is big. Diego's big. And Diego's got some power.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4746.852

Steve Erceg, Moreno. Brandon Moreno, that's a good fight. Erceg had a great fight with Pantoja.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4752.935

He's a big dude. Real close fight with Pantoja. Real close fight. And when you know how good Pantoja is, that's super impressive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4762.449

It's a good question. I don't think that's, nothing's been even out there. I mean, they're just letting him have his victory lap now before they start talking about who's next. They should. He deserves it. I'd like to see Sandhagen, but he has to have a win, right? Like he lost to Umar. I wouldn't be mad if they just gave him a shot, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4780.458

Diego Lopez dismisses Yair Rodriguez's rumors, wants Volkanovski at UFC 314. Oh, he dismissed the rumors.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4824.586

Bro, he looked fantastic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4829.99

What did he have surgery on? I think shoulder. Damn.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4834.73

Sean motherfucking Strickland. He's keeping the perf stash. I like it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4839.477

Do you think he had staff on his left arm? Sure looks like it, doesn't it? It looked like staff to me. Did it look like staff to you, Matt? It's hard to tell. It could be ingrown hair.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4849.884

Ingrown hair or staph. That's what it is. It could be staph. Ingrown hair becomes staph. A lot of times. Folliculitis. If this fight goes past the first round, we're fucked. But the homeboy on the right is a problem. Is he? Don't judge him off that body shot. What about Taffa? Don't judge him off of his body either. Taffa can fucking crack.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4871.118

He's Samoan, so he's Moana style. It doesn't count. Taffa is a dangerous fellow. Yeah, that's not that body. Oh, my goodness.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4888.169

Is he Brazilian? Teixeira. Oh, yeah. Looks it. He's a savage from Brazil.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4892.992

I like a dude with an eyebrow scar, too. Both of them. He has a head like a Lego piece, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4901.293

Bro, is Mark Hunt really fighting Ben Rothwell in bare-knuckle fighting? That's what I heard. In BKFC? Yeah. Jesus Christ. You see Ben Rothwell? Did you see his KO? Yes. Oh, my goodness. That was cool. He's built for bare-knuckle. Beautiful. Ben's beautiful. One punch. He's built for BKFC. He's an animal, too. That's a big fucker, too. Rothwell responds to Mark Hunt's call.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

492.675

He's like, whose gym do you think this is? He's got a picture of Merab.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4924.511

Let's fucking go, motherfucker. I'd watch that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4929.14

Why do they have to give you an asterisk to pretend this doesn't have a U there? Why do they do that? That's so stupid. Silly. Damn, this dude's big.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4939.788

What's his weight?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4969.782

You never know. You never know. It doesn't matter. Well, dude's from Cuba. They've always said Yoel's 50.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

497.456

He loves it, man. He loves it. There's nothing you can do. He loves to train. He's incredible. But that's two things, right? That's some kind of genetic gift, and on top of that, insane hard work. It's like both things. Because the guy's a tank. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4983.414

Oh, is it legit?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4988.195

Is that how they got guys like Weidman, all these guys to come out of retirement?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

4995.936

Who's fighting? What are the people that are fighting? The main fight that I'm told is Dylan Dennis, Tony Ferguson. Oh, my God. Shogun's back. Fabrizio Verdum is back. I thought Fabrizio retired. A lot of people retired, right? They decided to fuck him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5010.439

They coaxed them in with the money. So this is their first card?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5044.821

I want to say Kevin Lee. Anthony Pettis versus Jeremy Stephens is wild. Oh, my God. Hector Lombard and Yoel Romero, the Battle of Cuba. Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5059.989

Yeah, where's the guy getting all the money? Let me tell you something. Marlon Marais, at one point in time, I thought he was the man. Me too. When he knocked out Aljo, I was like, oh, my God, he might be the guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5073.519

The crazy thing about that is... How about Cejudo? He fucked Cejudo up in the first round.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5079.603

Yeah, yeah.

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5200.669

Thank you.

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A little bit. A little bit. What are you guys drinking? I'm the only one that doesn't drink. Whiskey with an ice ball. You're not drinking at all? I mean, I'll drink a little something.

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The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Yeah, what changed with Kane was he blew his knee out when he was getting ready for the... For Duke? No, no, no, no. Way before that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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You're not watching it, you. Wait a minute. Is that a fucking super dog? Matthew, look at this. Is that a super dog? I'm out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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That dog had a cape. It doesn't do it justice. Look at Lex Cooper. Does the dog fly? I don't know. Lex Cooper? Can I? No, you said Lex Cooper. I'm cigar drunk. I'm cigar drunk. He's like, yeah, I have a Porsche.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5890.532

Porsche 912. There's Hawkgirl. Shut up. Listen, guys, this is serious. You're like Zuckerberg with the bows.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5897.355

There's ice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5898.835

Same vibe. Same vibe. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Look, it's got super dogs dragging him to safety. It's over.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

590.905

Who lost to? JDS. JDS. Junior Dos Santos. Sorry, Junior. I just had a brain fart. Junior Dos Santos knocked him out on Fox, and his knee was fucked up going into that fight. And that was the big fight for Fox. It was like one of our first big events. Huge event. Huge event. And he really should have been fighting. He should have got out of the fight. His knee was fucked up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5907.038

Look at the dog. Why is the dog able to drag him?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5911.72

Why is that dog able to drag him? Oh, he's kissing that girl in space. Oh, you big show off. He's taking that girl up in the sky to make out with her.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5933.358

James Gunn. He's the man. He's the man. I'll see it for him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5938.62

Phenomenal. Phenomenal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5943.141

I don't care about that dog. Like a fucking raccoon. That fake Superman dog. Look, in the comic books, it's Superman dog. Did you like Guardians of the Galaxy? Crypto. The super dog. Did you like... Hey, Mr. Grown-up, did you like Guardians of the Galaxy?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5976.191

Some bullshit. Whoopsies. But, uh... Anyway. Yeah, he was saying funny things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5982.296

Yeah, except me. I'm confused. I stopped rooting for the Hulk when he started wearing glasses. I was like, you're lying to me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

5991.777

You can't have the Hulk where he's got Bruce Banner's fucking brain and the Hulk's body. It's supposed to be he changes and now he's this fucking ferocious monster and he doesn't remember what fucking happened. Wait, the Hulk has glasses? Yeah, the new Hulk has glasses and he lost weight and he got shorter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6014.295

I'll tell you what, the 2008 Hulk was pretty good. What size? That was the one with Ed Norton and Hicks and Gracie. I like 1977. Yeah, that was a good one. That Hulk was awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6027.585

You know the real problem? He was all right. I think Ed Norton was the best one. But here's the problem is the pants. The pants don't make any goddamn sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6034.75

I want to see that big green dick just swinging around while he's smashing things. There's no way he's wearing 160-pound dude's pants. That don't make no sense. He weighs 8,000 pounds. He's as big as a fucking building, and somehow or another the pants cover his dick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6048.912

Look at the size of him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6050.513

That's the Hulk. I didn't like when they made him smart.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6057.857

No one's going to go see it. They don't care. They're all in the bubble. Mark Ruffalo, the most woke guy ever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6065.962

He's a good actor.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6068.583

They're crazy people. They're really good at acting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6073.445

He was my favorite. He had Hickson in there fucking breathing. Yes. Smacked him in the face. Yeah. Try to keep him calm. Remember that? He's got to make sure he keeps his control. Ben wasn't bad. But look, that's smart Hulk. Hulk is smart now. Oh, She-Hulk was a pile of shit. She-Hulk was a woke pile of shit. Was it woke? Oh, it was woke.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

609.733

So Junior knocks him out, and then he beats the shit out of Junior in the rematch. He beats the shit out of Junior in the rematch after that. The third fight. He beats him in a way that takes years off your life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6097.836

Is it over? It's over. It's definitely over.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6105.666

Trump's going to be being woke, literally illegal. Did you hear what he said about Prince Harry? They were asking him if he was going to deport Prince Harry because Prince Harry talks shit about him. He goes, no, he's having enough problems with his wife. She's terrible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6119.101

They asked him if he was going to deport Prince Harry.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6130.985

Right, where's she at now?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6136.027

Yeah, it's so hard to know if she can even get through a camp, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6139.108

It's so hard to know with these people when they have, like, real bad injuries. And then after the fight, they'll tell you, like, my camp was a shambles. I couldn't do anything. Like, why'd I bet on you? I had a broken foot. Well, how about, like, Aspinall wins the title. He couldn't train. He couldn't wrestle at all for, like, 11.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6158.188

Is that true? Yep. Takes it up and decides to take him to the ground. He wrestles him and just showed that he's evolving.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6172.84

How good did Joaquin Buckley look against Colby? Joaquin Buckley's a problem. Is Joaquin that good?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6184.048

He's fucking dangerous at 170. And he's got crazy cardio at 170. I still want to see him and Ian Gary. Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6196.456

Yeah, that would be a real good fight. Think about it. Ian Gary beat MVP. MVP looked great against Sherpa. Bro, MVP is the fucking man. That against Shara Bullitt, that was incredible. And at 85. 85.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

622.877

That pace. You see these guys. Brock Lesnar. They can't breathe. They're just wilting from that pace. Especially at heavyweight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6221.123

Yeah, but Yuri's a different thing. The style matchup? It will be very exciting. Here's the thing. On the outside, no one can touch MVP. You can't close the distance like he can. No one. He's got that elite point fighting style. I always said that. That's going to be the next problem is point fighters because they got that blitz, that ability to cover the distance. It's so fast.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6242.733

Some of them do. Name one that does. Wonderboy. Wonderboy had a point fighting style. I mean, he basically started out in karate, you know, and then developed as a kickboxer, above the leg kickboxer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6256.603

Well, he couldn't wrestle with them. The problem is, like, Matt the Immortal Brown was the first guy to expose his ground game. Remember that? He said his nickname, yeah. He took him down and smashed him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6268.516

He got that guy with that over-the-shoulder kick. Maybe his second, though. It was early on. Went down with that round. It was very early on. Very early on. When he knocked out Jake Ellenberger with that wheel kick, Jake Ellenberger was making fun of spinning shit. He said karate. Yeah, that's funny. Making fun of spinning things. I hope he does. I hope he does try to hit me with a wheel kick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6286.613

He knocked him out with it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6294.84

He was dying down there. Just dying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6299.543

Oh, it's so smooth. And it's so, like, it comes off the ground effortlessly. It just sticks you in the gut. It's like a jab.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

630.119

The Brock Lesnar fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6308.67

his right leg forward when he he throws it that way it's so nasty and it's so hard to deal with because he can do all the other stuff too so it's like and he also wonderboy was one of the best ever at leaning his head back like a snake and then firing at you as he's moving backwards

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6331.478

Well, he does on some guys. You also got to realize- Not in the UFC. No, not KOing guys yet. But what he did is cyborg. It's a wake-up call for everybody alive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6344.325

He was 177. But he caved his skull off. That was bad. That was bad.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6351.729

Here's another guy everybody sleeps on is- Like, who did, like, what were his losses? Whose? MVP. It was Douglas Lima. Lima was the KO loss. He kicked his leg out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

636.36

And it was all smooth technique. There wasn't no big wind-ups where his chin was exposed. It was all very smooth. The Noguera KO? Oh, my goodness. Fast. Like a three-piece. It was like lightning, just smooth. I think Kane in his prime is the best heavyweight ever. It's hard to say because of Fedor. Because if you could get juicy Fedor from Pride... I think Kane beats the fuck out of him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6390.734

There's still something in the tank there. Oh, he was a monster in his prime. A monster in his prime. You remember what Ben Askren did to him? Ben Askren just said, oh, that's cute. Molly whopped him. You're going to enjoy wrestling now. Who did he fight? Diego Lima.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6407.661

Douglas Lima. Diego fought in the UFC. Yeah, right. Douglas Lima, it was no disrespect, but it was slightly better. Douglas was a Bellator champion. He was a beast, man. But the problem with that Bellator title was nobody cared. I'm glad you're making money. I'm glad you're getting paid. I'm happy for everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6428.176

But we got the NFL. It's great. I hope you're getting paid. That's the most important thing. But after that, if you want to make the splash, you want to be famous, you want to have a legacy. You kind of got to make it over to the UFC.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6440.721

If you're the champion anywhere else, if you're not in the UFC, you're just not the best. Unless you do the Francis thing. You go over there and they give you $20 million a fight. And it's a big fuck you to Dana because you still get to box. Yeah, you get to box. But he's in a unique position. Francis' position is different than everybody's.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6457.494

Monster. Destroyer. Knocks guys out with one shot. He's always going to be thought of as the heavyweight champion until somebody beats him at heavyweight. What he did to Stipe and then he beat Cyril Ghosn with a blown out knee and then just dipped lips. See you later.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6479.368

Who knows if John beats him? John might beat him up. Yeah, he could. John might take him down and fucking ragdoll him on the ground. John easily could because we don't know how good John is either. And we also don't know what happens to Tom Aspinall in the third, fourth, and fifth rounds. We have zero idea. Because no one's gotten there. No one's even gotten close.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6541.645

I think he also probably is not used to a guy that's that good getting a hold of his neck. Yeah. I think he thought they'd be on the field. At that level?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6560.67

It was great distance management, too. John just avoided all the big shots. The timing of the shot was perfect.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6568.792

Good luck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

658.234

I don't know, man. I don't know if anybody beats Fedor in his prime. Fedor is so accurate with his... strikes. So good, dude. Fedor walked down Krokop when Krokop was in his prime. You gotta remember that most of that fight was standing up. And Fedor was going blow to blow with Krokop and walking him down. He was very unusual.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6590.924

You'd assume that, but man, we've seen a lot of guys who are really good and they're on their back and they got nothing. They have no answers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6601.013

It might not be, but you know more than anybody that big guys are mostly on top when they're training. Yeah, I know. Yeah, so that's the problem. Unless you're a guy that's smart about it like Fabrizio Verdum. I mean, that's a rare guy who's a big guy who developed a killer. He's in my top ten of all time. I always put in Fabrizio. You've got to remember that guy tapped everybody. Dude, top ten?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6623.745

Are you in top three? Of all time. Of all time. People forget him. They sleep on him when they talk about great fighters. First one to tap Fedor. First one to tap Kane. Bigfoot Silva. Tap Kane. Come on, bro. Yeah, KO'd Mark Hunt. Flying knee. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. Tap Kane. He tapped everybody. Tap Noguera. Travis Brown in his prime. Flying sidekick to start it out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6646.906

Fabricio Verdum was a bad man. So good. Bad man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6679.857

Here we go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6682.959

Okay, watch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6688.301

Brennan Chobb, America.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6690.182

American all day. You piece of shit. Tatiana.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6693.404

You know what? For funsies, I'm going with Zhang Weili because I'm right here with Brian.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6702.749

I'm going with the champ. Who's the superior striker?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6707.049

Listen, man. Dangerous striker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6713.315

A lot more championship experience. They both have a little ring rust. They both haven't fought in a hot second.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6718.659

No, I'm just saying there's ring rust. But in terms of experience, there's no comparison. Oh, for sure. John Whaley has fought the best of the best and had fucking wars. I mean, she's had some fucking wars. That Ioana Jacek fight?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6734.593

Look at this shit. Tatiana gets it right away.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6739.056

How's that Iowa wrestling? Right away.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6745.081

I almost called you a maggot. Look how big she looks. A maggot. A maggot. Why'd you call me a maggot? You know what I mean. Bro, she looks like a 135er. She don't look like a strawweight. She looks like a bantamweight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

675.524

That Randleman KO or the Randleman armbar, Randleman fucking suplexes him on his head. And five seconds later, he's got him in a Kimura. It's crazy. He was different. Will he beat up Noguera, dude? Oh, my God. Watch that fight again. I'd like to see some testing around those times. Oh, yeah. We'll pretend. We'll pretend. Even on the UFC back then. We'll all pretend.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6761.355

Did the Iowa wrestlers help her off her back? Let's see if she gets her in the crucifix.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6768.057

Bro, this ain't good. Brian, how you feeling? I feel like we lost.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6778.842

I'm just rooting for the champion. I'm incredibly persuasive. Let's see if she survives. So right now, we just got to squeeze. We got to top pressure. We've been here before. No shots. We trained this. Nothing landed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6794.093

Trying to work those butterflies.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6820.576

That's not a good sign.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6822.777

She can't get out of this, man. She's dealing with a different kind of pressure. No, no, no. Just plant, plant. The person getting tired is definitely going to be Jean-Louis.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6835.461

She's got to struggle real hard just to not get smushed here on the bottom.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6842.283

She's controlling by wrapping around the waist. What are you talking about, Brian? She's getting smushed. Her chest is compressed. She can barely breathe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6854.951

Yeah, but this is a clear round for Tatiana, bro. The entire round has been on top.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6862.757

Yeah, 45 seconds. It wasn't even. It's probably 30.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6871.285

Look at that. This is nice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6891.422

See the problem is you got to kill that nearsight frame. That's what does everything Everybody thinks far under hook that nearsight frame. It reclaims guarded offsets balance kill that fucking thing. Oh

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6920.501

This is where Iowa comes in. Oh, shit. Oh, it's tight. Oh, she got out of it. Oh, she fucked up. John Levy fucked up. John Levy is on top. Yeah. She could use it to sweep her, though, here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6933.908

John Whaley's out. She's out. On top.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6938.33

She lost the ground, but we'll see what happens over the next minute. We've been working this. Wild shit can happen over this next minute. She's going to reverse it for me. They've got a wrestler on their back. Let's see what happens. Watch her reverse it. Also, she's stuck in this head and arm guillotine here. Look, look. Butterfly hook. She's long. She's fucking long. It's hard to feel it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6951.955

Oh, that's nice. That was nice. That was nice the way she moved around that. Oh, look at this. She's looking to pass. She's going for head and arm. Oh, boy. She can't get out of that butterfly, though. That right leg is strong.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

696.832

Even on the UFC back then, though. It'd be tough. Tim motherfucking Sylvia.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6963.523

Nice long legs, too. They're hooked so hard to pass.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6967.327

Let's look for an elevator sweep here. Take the back. Underhook. Oh, she's trying to mount. She's trying to mount here. Oh, she might be sensing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6975.937

Tatiana might be getting a little tired here. She's never done this before, right? She's never had a world championship fight. There's so much adrenaline here. And Zhang Weili's on top? A little discouraging, right? But she won the round, so she's pretty happy. But still, this is like a closer round than it should have been, right? Zhang Weili's on top, and she's... On top.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

6995.031

She jumped for that guillotine. At the end of the round, she's on top. The fact that she got out is huge. Huge. You know? Here's the thing. We know John Whaley can do that for five rounds. Can Tatiana do that for five rounds? This is a championship fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

700.733

When he was Rico Rodriguez. When he beat the shit out of Rico Rodriguez.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7023.218

Yeah, you have to get rid of all your communist leanings that you picked up while you were on the West Coast.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7028.5

No, you don't have to.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7030.482

You should probably buy an F-150. That's a show, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7034.804

F-100 tall boy. Yeah, get something nice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7043.834

You moving still? What are you doing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7046.695

Yeah, are you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7048.156

He does boxing, too. And sometimes he forgets his name.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7052.037

He forgets his name. I got too dizzy, dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7054.959

Sparring?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7056.159

Yeah, he's boxing people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7067.444

Settin' in Alzheimer's months earlier than it has to. Oh, shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7087.068

Just circle to the right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7091.34

If she can't get the takedown here, man, this thing gets really interesting. Because if she's a little tired, we're in trouble.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7099.067

That's true. That's true. There's definitely a reach.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7107.595

Oh, nice right hand. Nice right hand.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

711.86

He had them genes. He had them fucking Mayan warrior genes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7113.863

Oh, the hands are together.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7118.585

Come on, Matthew. Three, two, one. She's got those long fucking arms, man. She's taking a breath, and we're going for a ride. Yo, Jean-Louis Lee's a little powerhouse, man. She's a powerhouse. She's pushing that head down. She's a little fucking powerhouse. This is impressive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7138.753

This is huge. Look at this. This is fucking huge.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

715.924

Yeah, he had some Aztec warrior genes. Like whatever Cain had is like superior genetics. His cardio is nuts. Giant ass. Nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7161.697

Oh, she's almost slicing through. She's almost slicing through. She's almost slicing through pressure. See this is the thing too. She can do this all day long Her gas tank is fucking limitless man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7175.547

Look at this though, man. Slick. Strong too. Powerful. Oh, big elbows.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7201.943

Elbows right here. Elbows on the right side. Get that arm free.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7210.752

But this is a lot of fucking energy. That's all the energy. Unless you're Merab. And also, Zhang is way more like Merab. Like, that lady can go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7221.096

She's a fucking machine. Oh, look at that knee to the body, dude. That's a nasty knee to the body. And she's free. 100%, man. Battle tested. Sick. Come on. Tatiana's not breathing that hard. She looks all right. Look at that. Sidekick. Oh, nice right hand. Oh, my goodness. Nice right hand.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7254.531

Wing and shots. John Bailey's just throwing from the out. Oh, she clipped with the uppercut coming down.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7269.07

Well, this is where she wants to be, for sure. Yeah, against Cage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7274.051

Well, she just can't. I mean, Zhang Weili is, I think, surprising her with the takedown defense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7281.613

Look at the physicality, son.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7284.414

So fucking strong and fit. Look at this. Again.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7287.814

Turned it around, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7290.515

So she's got this round. Yeah, she's winning this round. So it's 1-1 now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

73.56

Oh, shit. That's what I'm saying. Give me a little bit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

730.077

No, DC would clearly say the only reason why I'm heavyweight champion is because Kane's not fighting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7300.504

Back to China. Yeah. She's got to get busy. Another one for China. She would have had that. The fact that Zhang Weili is able to keep her on her back is very impressive. Very, very impressive. Especially when Tatiana is so good at those butterflies and elevating people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7321.141

I bet Tatiana did not think she was going to spend a lot of time on her back. I bet she did not anticipate that Zhang Weili was going to be able to do this to her. Especially in the scrambles. Because Tatiana's been dominant in the top position over everybody. And then also, like, a second-round grueling pace of a five-round fight. And in the second round, you're getting mauled.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7341.513

That's not a good feeling.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7344.615

Let's go. You know? Doesn't matter. America. I'm back on Team America. I'm back on Team America. I wish I had bet money that I'd be hoping I'd lose it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7357.92

Well, I chose champion because there's a big difference in stepping up and fighting a champion like this when you've been dominating ladies that are of a lesser caliber. I mean, Zhang Weili's complete, and now you're seeing it. And also, fucking tank. She's a tank of a lady. All right, we've got one and one right now. Also, the tide. It's all about the tide, boys.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7378.214

Once the tide takes you out to sea, even though if you're only 100 yards from the shore, it's going in the wrong direction.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7388.383

Right. Your wrestling is getting flipped.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7412.265

Look at this. That's where it went. It's so impressive. The fact that she's able to do this to Tatiana is so impressive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7420.031

Look at this right here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7436.803

Hey, how about let Mike Beltran let his fucking mustache free?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7440.664

Let that mustache free.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7442.184

Let that mustache free. Why you got to tuck it in your shirt? That's bullshit, UFC. Let the mustache free. Look at her. Look at her. Look at... This round's so important.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7453.967

I'm going to have to make a petition to have Mike Beltran let his mustache go free. Let him live. I like to see that thing, that crazy mustache. It's too distracting. Shut the fuck up. I'm just saying. Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7466.858

I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7470.48

They don't like the crazy mustache for some strange reason. I think it's awesome. It gets in their face. Shut up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7480.148

It's like a ponytail. Boy, you know what I just realized? We never had a woman referee.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7503.02

I can't remember in recent times a female referee.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7516.266

Come on, man. Oh, she's stuffing it now. She's stuffing it now. Now she's putting it on her. Oh, nice knee to the body. Come on, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7528.955

Oh The problem is the striking the difference big difference the big not setting up not sent strike And it's also the pace man. John way leaking this mauler and he's paid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7543.099

So not Kim Winslow she is literally ruining people's lives. She said whoops. Oh, sorry Kim Bring up old wounds Look at this. Out. Out. Finish it. Can't get her down anymore.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7561.55

Bro, that's so impressive. That's so impressive what Zhang Lili has been able to do here. Just to be able to stop these takedowns and reverse them when she gets them, so impressive. Yeah. But it's like the physicality of Zhang Weili is just something to think. Look at that one, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7578.264

Nasty. Yeah. I mean, just incredible conditioning. Yes. I mean, you ever watch her workout videos? They're fucking mad, dude. Her strength and conditioning is mad.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

758.123

You're allowed to have brown pride.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

759.544

Well, because the Mexicans didn't really subjugate the white people in recent memory.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

76.642

All right. Brent and Chop, stay on that wagon, sir. I have to.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7609.439

No, Brian. If Brian had to be on at all. Right. And she's been able to stuff those takedowns, and Tatiana's, like, hesitant to keep going for them now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7634.611

Very good. Very good striking. She keeps catching her.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7645.017

Oh, it's big.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

765.329

It's a little different.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7650.18

And John Way Lee has not shown any signs of deteriorating.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7668.689

The entry, she gets spun around. It's so bad. It's crazy, but this is how strong Zhang Weili is, man. It's impressive. Look at that. Fucking impressive. Oh, look at that elbow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7679.817

Oh, my goodness.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7681.458

Oh, my goodness. Champion.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7684.72

Yep. Damn it. Dominant woman, man. Yes. Dominant. Just a great fighter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7693.922

And again, it's like you got Rose, you got her, you got Ioana, you got like the elite of the elite in this division, and she's fought them all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7708.771

That's a good shot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7710.893

Come on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7715.096

And she doesn't get it. Amazing. Damn, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7718.98

That was something. 2-1.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7722.863

Oh, my goodness. She goes low and high. How about those elbows in tight when they were up against the cage? Those were fucking nasty.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7730.41

I want to see those. How is she now? Elbows. Yeah. Tatiana's never been facing adversity. So now she's in the fourth and fifth. This is the big rounds. We call this the deep waters. The deep waters.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

774.417

Did you guys see Cat Williams in Phoenix? No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7743.619

Well, her game plan was a mauler on the ground, and then that's not working. Look at the difference. And now you're forced to strike on the outside. You're fucked. Look at her breathing, man. Look at her breathing and the body language.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7754.025

She doesn't have the tools to fix the problem. That body language is not good. Her head's literally.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7760.57

Then you got this Chinese tear waiting over there. It's a disaster. This body language right here is fucking terrible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7768.818

It's a nightmare. This is bad body language.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7772.526

Man, this is where it gets hard because you've never done this fourth and fifth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7777.391

We worked on the wrestling. How many times do I have to tell you this? Yeah, but it's also the striking, the championships experience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7786.559

Oh, listen to this. He was All-American just a little while ago. Isn't that amazing? Isn't that incredible? I'm just explaining. Fairweather Frank. Thank you. Unbelievable. She can still do it. She can still do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

779.301

Oh, my God. Not only did he lit up that dude, he had the whole crowd chant in America.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7797.97

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7804.053

Let's see what happens in the fifth round. He's going to be going, I've been thinking Tatiana all the time. I just want her to win because I'm American.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7822.626

Oh, again.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7823.467

Like, when Tatiana closes the distance. Oh, wow. She took her down.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7827.791

Unbelievable. Yeah, what happened? It's a little hot on Saturday. What wrestling? What wrestling? Yo. Someone said 3-0, Zane. Get the fuck. Dude, I want to. No, not 3-0. I get to take a piss.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

783.203

He's like, motherfucker, this ain't Mexico. This is Phoenix. It was incredible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7839.602

Well, the first round, she did get on top at the end.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

789.487

Oh, he had a heckler in Phoenix. Something about Mexicans and cats.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7894.208

You would have to be in the half guard, but when you're in the half guard, where she has the underhook on the left-hand side, she could basically pop her left leg out, put it beside her, and lean her body left, and she would take her down. Look at this. Head and arm. Oh, my goodness.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7910.824

Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. From half guard, she shouldn't be able to get this. Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7921.91

But still, she's cooking her. She's cooking her in this position.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7925.05

Like, she's not doing good here, man. No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7927.191

This is not good. And that left leg is basically free. That left leg is basically free.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7933.732

She wants to get to the right side, but she doesn't want to lose position while she's doing it. Oh, no. Tatiana brought her back to full guard. Nicely done. It's over now. Now it's gone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7941.903

But that was close. But she probably didn't want... Look at her fucking knee. Championship experience, too. Didn't want to gas her arms out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7949.371

Oh, my God. Look at that gash on her left knee.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

7952.113

That's a good question.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8.116

We're live. Try to put my cans on. Put your fucking cans on, brother. Put the cans on. Come on. We're all professionals. We're all professionals. Is everybody drinking? Yes. We have Buffalo Trace here. We have whatever you want. We have vodka. We have all kinds of shit. What do you like? What do you like? Fuck a club with a splash of crayon? No, it's not fucking. It's not us.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8018.57

Thank you. Thank you very much.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8100.746

Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

815.202

Oh, really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8169.417

Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

820.005

Theo's out of his mind.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

823.807

Really? Yeah, it's the best. How about when he was talking to the president? He was saying, man, that cocaine will turn you into a damn owl. Have you seen how reports turn you into a damn owl?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8253.69

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8299.406

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

83.487

Salute.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

831.892

And Trump saw...

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

835.094

This kid's talking about cocaine. But that is really probably what Trump needed. He needed those kind of interviews.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8387.91

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8433.157

Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

846.464

Why would he do that? He said that because he thought for some crazy reason that I didn't want to have him on somehow or another that he would be showing up people or something like that because he's so good. Maybe he thought that because he's isolated. He doesn't know me that well. The first time I met him was in the studio. I love Cat Williams. I've always been a fan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8501.019

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

866.158

I've always talked about Pimp Chronicles. It's fucking fantastic. It's so good. He's so wild. And I've actually taken advice from him. There's two pieces of advice that I took from an interview that he did once that I used this day. One, he said, I never eat before a show. He said, don't eat. He goes, I want to be hungry. Better off being hungry. My brain works better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8710.097

They're like, I did. I told my wife.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8712.118

I fuck around. That's why when people don't care about belts. Oh, don't care about belts. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. Everyone does. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. Well, you know, it's like.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8724.031

Yeah. Well, it's also, it's like there's stages that show you you're legit. Yeah. Like Rick Caruso, the guy who was running for mayor of L.A., his son reached Purple Belt. I said, hey. That's a big deal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8735.737

You're basically a black belt. You just got to keep training.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8738.258

If you can get to Purple Belt, you can get to black belt. Yep. You just got to stay at it and trust the process and keep training hard, and you'll get the black belt. Because how many people actually get the black? Right. Because people get blue belt. It's like, you know, that's great. It's a nice little motivator. But you show me you got purple belt. That means you're tapping out legit guys.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8754.002

Yeah. Now you got some moves. You probably got one nasty guillotine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8758.083

Oh, yeah. They explode. They're explosive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8762.544

They still have the experience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8768.766

We got to get you on the peptide, son. You're fucking around with nature for too long.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8772.629

Nature's boring. Father time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8774.691

Father time is undefeated, son. He's 10-8. He's 10-8 against Brian. You got to stop. Fuck with that stem cells and stuff. Next time, we'll do another protect your neck, and I'll bring you in the day early, and we'll get you to the stem cell place. Okay. Waste to well. No problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8792.904

Come to Austin first because we'll get it all gratis. You'll get it for free. For freezies. I'll have Ways to Well hook you up. And then, you know, we'll do a Protect Me Now. All right. Let me know, man. We got to do another one. Those are fun. Those are fun. We do John Rollo, Dean Toms, and Matt. You know John Rollo?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8811.92

You might have met him. He's the best. John Rollo's the best. Oh, he's funny, man. I love him to death. He's a great guy. He's fun. And he's an ogre. Oh, he's a giant man. He's a gigantic human being. Big ass black belt. He was well over 300 pounds at one point. Jesus Christ. Here it is, folks. The fucking motherfucking main event. Where's that lighter for my cigar?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

884.006

And then two, he said, I have a music playlist that I make that just gets me in the mood to do a show. And so I'm like, that's a good idea. And from then on, I started carrying around like a Bluetooth machine, like a Bluetooth boom box and bringing in the green room playlist that we have on Spotify. That's all the songs. But

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8859.184

The only thing about... I like the mustache. I really do. I like him with the mustache. He's like old Bronson, that fucking psychotic guy from Australia.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8872.552

He looks like a killer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8876.434

I think he's very focused. I'm fucking fired up for this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8915.767

Oh, my God. Bro, that's a real problem with, like, when they can duplicate your consciousness and put it on a hard drive. What's to stop someone like Trump from doing it a million times? I'm going to have a million of me. I'm back. I'm back. I have a million Trumps. If we get to a point where you can make a clone, and we've probably already done that. China's probably already have clones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8938.544

Trump would already do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8942.687

So you could probably clone a person.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8946.091

Definitely not. Twins are different. Twins are pretty close.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8974.002

It's a virtual reality you're experiencing with consciousness. Yes. And consciousness helps form it. Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

8983.091

That's what we're saying. I was just playing my fucking games. When I called you and I couldn't get to you when I was inviting you to dinner, I was like, he's probably got the fucking headset on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

905.383

It was a smart thing. I was thinking, I was like, why don't I do that? Like, that makes sense. Like, you want to turn it into a little bit of a party. Yes. You get that music going. It feels good. Like we do with the green room at the mothership. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9081.354

Oh, this is fun, dude. You'd like this. And what are you using for a gun? Well, you got the controllers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9106.289

Well, they have some on. They have these unidirectional treadmills. Have you ever seen those? They strap you in on your chest so you can't move, and you can run in any direction, left, right, left.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9116.578

Yeah, so you're in this halo that goes around your waist, and it's connected to these cables that's attached to this circular unidirectional treadmill, and you run in any direction, and you really do work out. And guys are fucking screaming at each other.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9132.731

My wife was going to get that for me, but I can't run. That thing right there. So that's a unidirectional treadmill. It's fucking badass. So you get on that thing, and when you're on it, you're running around. So watch, this guy's on it. He's going to start moving. You start walking. Look at that. Whoa. Isn't that crazy? You know what my wife got me?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9175.619

Do you know they did studies with surgeons and they found that surgeons who play video games make like 25% less errors? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9183.781

Just 37%. 37% less hours. Jesus Christ. That's crazy. So it's real hand-eye coordination and feedback and motion.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9202.431

That's crazy that you're in the room with them. They're watching like fucking Gone Girl or something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9218.654

Because when you get hit, you see, like, a flash of light. Yeah, it's cool. And eventually they'll have something where you're wearing a headset. You'll feel, like, a vibration in your face, like you got thumped.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9238.183

You have shoes on now. Oh, my God. I think I like the treadmill better. I'll fall down if I have those stupid shoes on. That looks weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9268.794

What happens is you get arrested. So we get a tell on them?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

927.904

Good for you. There's a stress factor. Jake Matthews, I'm very high on this kid. I like him too. I'm very, very high on this kid. Oh, are we starting? Yeah. Is this the main card? I think Jimmy Crute's fight got canceled. Is that correct? Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9274.822

Yeah, too much of it. We don't want you to be good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9279.728

Find that out, Jamie. It's sticking in his face. You know it can't be true.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9283.996

Are video games illegal in MLB?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9293.67

Let's talk about how much better Jamie is at golf than you. I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9298.074

Your swing is great. It was very depressing watching you try to compete with him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9302.598

Tried to compete with Jamie's drive. My swing was actually rather beautiful. It wasn't that good. You got like 45 yards. Jamie got 265.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9311.826

Off the deck, by the way, not even with a tee. Jamie, you play real or you just play virtual shit?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9321.415

Virtual shit is where he hones his skills. You gotta touch grass, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9327.603

Yeah, you gotta touch grass. But he's got that smooth stroke.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9334.332

Oh, I'm so pumped for this fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9344.145

Does he grapple less? Or more? Does he shoot for takedowns? He said he thinks he's going to piece him up. That's what he said. Which means on the feet, jab, teep. A lot of jabs and teeps. I think you're going to see DDP wrestle more.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9367.917

That staff looks legit. That staff on his left arm, that looks legit. That looks like real staff to me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9375.762

Yeah, that looks like real stash.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9381.165

Unless he said, fuck it, let's just go topical and control it. Yeah, he might just control it with topical. Yeah, you don't want to use the antibiotics. Because you can control it with topical.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9395.939

It looks like a pus. It looks like a big old giant zit. That's where they get scary, when they get big. Because you think they're getting systemic. You know, they get in your bloodstream.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

942.948

He's super good, dude. He's like one of those guys that look like he could break through any moment now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9497.77

All that bullshit about the sun being bad for you is nonsense. It's just you shouldn't get overexposure and get burned. Right. I don't believe in sunscreen. You're supposed to build up. Moderation. You get dark.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9509.293

Good for you. That shit's poison. Yeah, facts. I mean, they have some, like, natural sunscreens, but it looks like you're wearing blackface. Oh, no, no, no. What does natural sunscreen look like? I'll take the sunburn.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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You see parents lathering their kids up with them. Give them some sun. Everyone's scared of sunburn. Depends on your skin, right? What's up, Jamie?

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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You see this fucking mustache? I give staff. I don't fucking get staff. Oh, okay. That was his take on it. I give staff. Strickland asks if you've got a staff position.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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And then Drikus goes, and you look like the one driving it. That's funny. But the problem with that is the one driving it is a normal person.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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People liked it, though. Yeah, they're dumb. They're dumb. They're not thinking logically. That didn't make sense. I'm fucking pumped. Matt, what do you think? What do you think, Matt?

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Strickland is fucking skillful, and he spars so much. I know. You know, he spars more than anybody in the UFC when they put that mouthpiece in that registers how many times you get hit. He gets hit less than anybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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He's the best striking defense ever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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But he's got good striking.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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I thought he won the first fight, but I thought it was close. Dana thought he won the first fight, too. And, again, he might have been compromised with that eye. He definitely was. But I think, also, I think Drikus is even better. I think Drikus just keeps getting better. Yeah, he does.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Oh, man. And he's huge. When I stand next to him, I can't believe he makes 185. I mean, literally, in between fights, he looks like a heavyweight. He's so big.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Well, he looked real thin at the weigh-ins yesterday, and he looks like he filled in a lot. They interviewed him pretty much right after he got on the scales, which I always think sucks. Give the guy a few hours.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Yeah, very well-rounded, but sharp striking. Jake's striking is just crisp.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9676.057

IVs? No, you're not. Why? I don't know. I think it's stupid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9680.43

I got an IV today. It was awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9684.634

IV vitamins and zinc. Whenever I'm feeling kind of shitty, I get an IV NAD vitamins, zinc, vitamin C. Yeah, what about NAD?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Oh, it's great. It is? Phenomenal. What do they say?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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You can take NMN, which helps build up it naturally.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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It has kind of a similar effect, but I think IV NAD is the most potent form of it. You take a lot of stuff. That's right, bitch. There you go. Feeling good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9715.901

Feeling good at 85 years old.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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You don't look it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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You look good. I'm 57. I'll be 58. I don't think about it anymore because there's nothing I can do about it. All I think about is making sure my body works great. Yeah.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9742.7

as long as i stay up on the peptides and the hormones and train all the time and constantly work out do a bunch of different things kettlebells cardio cold plunge sauna every day all these different things it stays working but if you look at a 58 year old from like the 1960s they were dead man they were dead it's a different thing like 58's different than what it was bro i'm sweating i'm getting ready for this fight i'm fired up i'm sweating

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

977.764

Is she about to sing the national anthem?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9781.579

Oh, yeah.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Bro, that's the scariest kickboxer that's ever fought in the sport. Oh, you fuck up one time. It just takes one. No, no, no. Pereira. One shot. Think what he did to Strickland.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Tagged him a couple times in the chest. Got him reaching for it. Came over with that left hook.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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It's nice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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She's been with the UFC for a long time. Is Jimmy Crute there? I don't even think I met him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Right, right. He's an actual elite two-division glory world champion. Big, huge difference. But then there's that dude Vahitov that's now in MMA who beat him in glory in his last fight. Close fight, decision.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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But he won, and he landed more shots than Pereira. And he's got a style that doesn't leave any openings. He's very technical. He's a really good kickboxer. I don't know what kind of a ground game, if anything, he has.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

9850.815

He's not 6'2"?

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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But those guys like that that are Russian, those Russian dudes, they learn wrestling when they're fucking babies anyway. I guarantee that guy has some sort of a Sambo background. The shape he's in, holy shit.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Yeah, Vahitov is interesting because I think he just fought on Dana White's Contender Series. Did they sign him? I think they signed him. See if that Artem Vahitov, if he fought on Dana White's Contender Series. He's just going to have a tough path to get to Alex.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

987.068

Oh, he's back. Wait, what is happening? He says the Brute is back. So is the fight not canceled?

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Also, it's different because Alex puts people into night-night land. He won by TKO. Yeah, he won by TKO. Vahitov is fucking good, man. Super technical. Here we go! Let's fuck.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Oh, my goodness. I fucking love it, man. This is it. This is it. Here we go. Here we fucking go. All right. Round one. Let's go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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It's such a good way. It's such a good way. That jab is just so hard to fuck with. Straight up. DDP did a lot of that in that first fight, too. That left switch kick beats up the arms a little bit. Because even if you block it, that sucks.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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That sucks. I mean, it sucks your calf. Imagine what it's doing to your forearm. I know. I mean, so many times guys' arms go numb and you just don't know it because they're still moving around. It's not like a calf where you see them limping. I mean, how much does that shit take out of your punching power? That kick. Yeah, he was slick with that. He landed a lot of those in the first fight.

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Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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He's a guy that for whatever reason, because of the way he moves, people sleep on him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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It's weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Oh, look at that. Sneaky question mark kick. He keeps throwing that up to the top. It's quick, too. And he's got the endurance to keep throwing them. And there's the low kick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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Well, he does that same style of checking kicks that Pereira does. Yeah, he hacky sacks. You turn that foot all the way up towards your knee.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Fight Companion - February 8, 2025

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That's 11 minutes ago. Oh, okay, so he's not off the card. Just Google Jimmy Crute off UFC card. I read that three different fights were off the card. I don't know. Oh, man. And Crute was one of them. I like that fucking mullet, though. Oh, okay. He's in there. I like that. That's a healthy mullet. I like that, dude. That mullet. He's very good. What's he fighting at?

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100%, especially if someone wants them to happen. Because that's my fear, is that a lot of these things are paid for and organized, including a lot of these protests at universities. I think they're doing it on purpose. And I think they're trying to... build up a lot of passion in these people for being disruptive and a lot of passion for protest and passion. And then they weaponize it.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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I really do. I believe that's exactly what they did with the Tesla buildings. With all the Tesla dealerships being light on fire, they weaponized it. And it's a good test run. If they can weaponize it against Tesla, they can do that with a lot of other things to justify that kind of vandalism and fire and arson and all the chaos and property destruction.

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And there's a lot of bots online that want this to be. There's a lot of momentum that pushes things into these directions. These are not organic. Just like Bernie Sanders rally numbers aren't organic. Like these are not organic. There's a narrative. I mean that was during the Kamala Harris administration or during the campaign rather.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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You saw these inorganic moments where they filled these arenas with people that were paid. And they spent how many billion? Two billion dollars over the course of three months to do this and it failed? But it's like you're manufacturing this – this passion, manufacturing this movement. And a lot of people are dumb and it works on them. You don't know.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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I'm sure you saw that lady who was bragging about buying champagne and making fun of the guy selling her the champagne because he wasted his vote on Trump. And I'm buying champagne to toast Madam President. She's going to win. Women have come to the—she really believed it because they gaslit people so hard with their filled arenas and all the news coverage on CNN and MSNBC.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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And the polls are showing. The polls are showing. And it's going to be Kamala Harris. And they just gaslit the whole country.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1020.532

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10236.329

It's hard to say what's real and what's not real. And until you take that chip in your head, you're not going to know. That's why you need to sign up for the Neuralink program.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10256.508

Oh, there's a lot more to do, and I don't know what they can actually do. Because with AI… I mean you can have like really sophisticated programs that tweet as if they are from Afghanistan, tweet as if they're from wherever they are in the world. They can do it in different languages. It can all be done with AI now and they can argue specific points like, you know, this guy is a Nazi.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10279.436

Go out there and say it and prompt it. And then all of a sudden you've got what looks like groundswell of support calling Elon Musk a Nazi. And then a bunch of people hop onto that. And they think it's organic. And they think that these people are fed up. That's why they're going to the Tesla's dealerships. No, they're being paid. And they're trying to crash the stock of Tesla.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10297.324

They're trying to put people into panic mode so that it puts pressure on Elon to drop Doge. This is what's going on. And you're watching it as if it's this organic moment. It's a puppet show. You're watching a puppet show.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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No, I don't either. I wish I did because people think I do. Like, oh, you have inside information. I don't have any. I have zero. I don't know what's going on.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10350.211

Oh, we are so that. We get that so much. It's hilarious. That's for people that are just a little too smart to believe the earth is flat. They'll go with controlled opposition. But it's just they just don't know. Like if you're on the outside looking in, like if you're looking at Tom Hanks in his house, I must be a pedophile to get that house. You know what I mean?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10372.901

Everybody on the outside of like people that are – which the guy like Tom Hanks is essentially like a kind of royalty, like a movie star royalty, like that class of celebrity is like almost –

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Beyond and so they don't seem like normal people to you They go to that eyes wide shut party and drink baby blood and like there's all these bizarre Things attributed to those people and they're in control of the narrative and there but there's some people that really are in control of the narrative There's some people that really are like CIA agents that are on TV shows, you know, that's real There's like people that have worked for the CIA that are now on television Telling you what the news is if that doesn't seem fucking crazy.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10413.822

I You know, it's just we're going through a bizarre period of being bombarded with constant information, having unprecedented access to each other and information, and also watching all the powers that be try to snatch up more and more control over society. We're watching it play out in real time. And we're concentrating on girls and sports and whether or not this is real.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1044.429

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Should gay people still be able to get married? It's all bullshit. You're just watching more and more power be acquired by the people with the most amount of money.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Well, at least he turned it around and said lately that they're going to have to stop with all these left wing opinion pieces and just post about the news.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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You know, which everybody's freaking out because they really think they have like a mandate to be like the moral voice of the world, which is so hilarious.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10485.505

I doubt it. I wouldn't do it. If I worked there, I'd shut my fucking mouth. I want to buy a house. Try to buy a house. Yeah. I can't listen. I get it. Yeah, they should get more money. Whatever.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10505.534

Well, until AI comes along and equally distributes all the money. Boys, let's wrap this up. I appreciate you both very much. It's always cool to talk to you. I'm happy you visit often, and I'm glad you're having a good time over here, and I hope you get your fucking shit together with your country because come on.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10533.461

It takes that long to release a book?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10545.967

Beautiful. Very funny. We'll come back when it comes out. We'll come back. We'll talk again. I'd love to. Your show, Trigonometry, it's available everywhere. Anything else? We both got sub stacks. Yep. I've got a sub stack. He's got a sub stack. Look at you guys. Fucking writing and shit.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10570.253

Do you do like Substacks episodes, like different ones or Patreon or anything like that?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10581.336

Oh, that's cool.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10583.617

People love that. That's a great idea. That's a good way to add extra value.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10598.021

That's actually a very good idea, though, to let the fans actually have questions, too. Yeah. And read those off. Find the good ones.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

10612.357

Oh, beautiful.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Okay. Appreciate you both very much, always. Thanks, bro.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Cheers. Thanks. Bye, everybody.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1068.484

And if you're watching on YouTube, you can get your four free months by scanning the QR code on screen or by clicking the link in the description. Water is racist. So you're giving in to the dumbest notions. And it's happening at scale. And it seems like there's like two factions in what I would call like the American left right now.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1091.442

There's the reasonable people that are like, hey, hey, hey, we got to just stop being fucking crazy. Like the Bill Maher's and a lot of other folks like that. They're like, we got to stop being crazy and just appeal to rational people. Don't go all the way over there. Stick where most people are. And then there's people that, well, we got to go further left.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1111.575

Then there's people like, we got to take over Tesla dealerships. We got to light cars on fire. The left is like justifying spraying Nazi swastikas on cars. Like, this is crazy. They've gone so far over this. So there's one side that's just like radicalized in the worst way possible. That's a huge detriment to the Democratic Party because it makes everyone look like a psycho.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1135.323

If you have a psycho in your groups, like if you have like a white nationalist, you know, Christian fundamentalist burning down black churches in your and he says, I'm a part of the right as a right wing conservative. I'm like, whoa, that guy poisoned the right. These people are poisoning the left. Totally.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

115.283

You couldn't have, if you had a movie where that was a scene, you could not have scripted or timed it any better. Where you would tell her, and... Drop. There's no way. I started legitimately wondering then, and I know that's a stupid example. I'm very aware of it. You're like, you fucking moron. All the things in the world, there's plenty of examples. Jesus loves me the most. So nice.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1150.608

All the people that don't want trans kids competing with their kids in school and they don't want gender ideology being taught in class. All those people who are just rational, normal liberals that have voted Democrat their whole life. They're like, what the fuck? What are you doing? Why are you letting guys into the women's room? This is crazy.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1166.692

A guy with a beard and a dress is in the women's room. This is bananas. Like, what are you doing in the name of compassion? Like, this is fucking insane. They have to figure that puzzle out because right now they lost to Trump and they're in this scattered thing where they're trying to shit on everything he does, hide all the good stuff. You didn't hear a peep about Elon rescuing those people.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1188.77

Right. That should have been on all of the news stories all day long. We should have had a live stream of it. It should have been a huge national event. We're finally going to rescue the astronauts who are trapped in the space station for eight fucking months. And this super genius, this Elon Musk character, is the guy who figured out how to go get them.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

12.62

Joe, always a pleasure. Great to see you, man. Great to see you guys always. What the fuck's happening? Welcome to America.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1209.423

His company went and rescued them because we can't do it anymore. We couldn't rescue them. We had to rely on his company. And you don't hear shit about it. You don't hear shit about it. It's crazy. You hear a few stories. They're having a hard time coming back. Why weren't they live streaming the whole thing? That's a huge moment. You're recovering these poor people.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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This is a giant special interest story that would grab so many headlines and it would have so much ratings because everybody wants to see it. Oh, my God, they're going to get the astronauts. You'd be sitting on your couch with your family. Are they going to get them? Is it going to dock? Is it going to work? You know, all that shit.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1260.31

And that's why they've been astroturfing all these giant arenas for people. They did an analysis of – find out if this is true because I read this on X. And sometimes the community notes doesn't get there in time. Right. But they were saying that they claimed there was 30,000 people, but they got all the cell phone data and they found out there was 24,000 cell phones. So they fudged a little bit.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1283.149

That sounds normal. But they also said that a huge number of these people had been to 20-plus events and a lot of other different progressive events. And it seems like, at least in some of them, for sure, they were paying people. So they're giving people money to get on a bus, go to this place, here's your sign, go have fun. And so you're doing something different, right?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1309.772

You're pretending that these people are all coming out to see you. But they're coming out to see you because you're giving them money and free food. Right. And, you know, you handed out water bottles and everybody gets a sign and everybody seems like they're kind of a part of a team. And for a lot of losers, a lot of people that don't have things going well in their life. And like, what do we do?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1326.228

You know, I was a loser at many points in my life. If somebody called me up and said, hey, man, you want to make 400 bucks and just go to this Kamala Harris rally? I'm like, yeah, let's go.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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I would 100% go I would 100% go with no political and then I'd probably think she's cool and I'd be like yeah I'm fucking voting for her dude he's Hitler that guy we gotta stop Hitler and I'd be holding up that stupid sign if you found me when I was 21 100% I would have taken that 400 bucks They were giving out $1,000 for people to protest. I think it was Tesla.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1357.88

I'm not sure about that, but I think it was Tesla. So they had the rules of engagement. If someone comes after you, hit them in the body, don't pick up an object unless they pick up an object first. Are you organizing gangs? Are you guys paying money for people and then literally saying to them, Here's what happens if you engage in violence. Like, why is that even on the table?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1383.293

I thought you guys were peacefully protesting. Like, who's going to get—how many pro-Tesla fucking hooligans are out there that have beaten— People up for Tesla. Is it fucking zero? I've not seen a bunch of pro-Tesla gang members out there. So what are you going to encounter with this anti-Tesla movement? The police? Who's going to stop you from doing it? Who's going to engage with you?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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You're kind of talking in a way that at least puts it on the table that violence might take place. And you're paying people.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Hi. I mean, and the audience is laughing. Probably the best laugh she got all night, right? Because it's a big move. It's a big move. You know, if you're a pratfall person, no one expects it. Like, oh, that's hilarious. If it goes with the bit, you know.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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You shouldn't need a thousand bucks. It's

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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The $1,000 and free lunch is crazy. You need to smooth things over.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1445.102

Yeah. I would have a hard time doing the $1,000 one. I'd be like, bro, we're going to jail. I'd be like, I'm not that stupid. I'll hold the sign. I'll go to the rally. But if I was 21, they said, look, $1,000. You want to protest against Tesla? I'd be like, hold on. What happens if we get arrested? This guy's rich. He's not gonna let you light his fucking cars on fire, stupid.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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He's the richest man on earth. What are you talking about?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Even when I was young, I had survival instincts.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1484.788

That's 100 percent true. And I think we need to have a lot of compassion for young people that get caught up in these movements and do silly things. And they they even vandalism. They just need to understand that that should never be on the table. No violent acts are ever justified, especially if someone's not being violent to you.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1507.279

If you decide to just go smash property and light things on fire, you don't serve your cause because rational, reasonable people are not going to do that. They're not going to light Starbucks on fire because Black Lives Matter. That's crazy. But if you get caught up in this... Fuck the corporate thing, man. Fuck the man. Fuck the banks. Fuck this.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1529.575

And you just want to start lighting things on fire. You're just serving them because they will develop better and stronger ways to crack down on protests now. And all the people that wanted to protest reasonably, all the people that want to express themselves and say, we stand together to say that this is wrong. Those people are all going to get hosed.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1552.044

Because you lit Starbucks on fire, you fucking idiot. But they're young. A lot of these people, they have fucking blue hair. They probably had a shitty childhood. They're running around experiencing freedom for the first time in their life for the last 16 months, right? This is their first freedom out of their parents' house.

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And they get caught up in shit, just like people get caught up in being in cults. People get caught up in all kinds of things. We just have to have more compassion for people and better mentorship. One of the real problems is that kids go to universities and almost universally they're given this ideology that this whole university and almost every university ascribes to. And it's universal.

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It's uniform. It's like there's less liberal ones, but they're almost all liberal. It's like they're almost all higher learning. There's only a few conservative universities. It's just a weird time for thinking and for discourse and for deciding what team you're on. It's like everyone's scared and scrambling, you know, do we go red or blue?

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It's just that the whole country's in this weird state of disarray.

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Wow. What a great... Who said that?

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Yeah, I did. I don't know enough about it, but it does seem like there's people that suspect that it was a setup, that that guy was added to the chat on purpose.

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So it was just a mistake, right?

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Yeah. That's such a checks and balances mistake, like double check. Yes. It's like, you know, when you go on the road, like, do I have my toothbrush? Do I have my underwear? You know what I mean? Like, I even make a note on my phone now. I'm like, I'm too stupid. I always forget something.

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Some of the memes have been incredible.

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Dude, that's so good. Yeah. That's so good. That's exactly what it's like. That's such a perfect analogy. Like, you fucking idiot. They're all on the phone afterwards. What the fuck, bro? You know, Pete Hegs that swears. Yeah. You know, he's like, what the fuck, bro?

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You know she's going to talk. But how about the fact that they said that they didn't share any information about weapons? What was the exact quotes? What did they say? So what they were basically doing was explaining how some shit was going to go down.

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He's probably jerking off the whole time. Salivating, like, yes!

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What's he supposed to do? Tell you, hey, guys, I've done that before. I think you sent this text to the wrong dude.

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That's one of those things that just happens accidentally. Yeah. But you can't have that happen when you're fucking planning bombs. Agreed. When you're planning war. Agreed. First of all, it's so crazy that the government doesn't have its own completely safe app.

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All right. Why do they not have some encrypted super government app? You're telling me that you couldn't get like a license from Signal to use the code the government throws them? Like all these billions that are just, they're finding billions all over them. There's like billions they've cut. Like how many fucking billions has Elon cut just from waste? Just waste. It's crazy.

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And people aren't celebrating it.

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I think you won better. I think when people retire from... What is it where they have to retire where they have to write it down on paper and then it's stored in a vault? In a mine.

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They're harder people. They're harder people.

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Social Security?

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It's in a mine.

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I'm distracted by Bret Baier's hair. It's so beautiful. If I had that kind of hair, I'd be so happy. I'm so happy with myself. You can't see any scalp anywhere. It's just all hair. It's beautiful. It's like if you wanted to put a wig on a bald guy, you would make it like that. Like, bro, I'm going to make you hot.

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The government stores key retirement paperwork in a converted mine. That's crazy. The limestone mine is real in the Department of Government Efficiencies crosshairs. That is so insane. So now someone has to go in there and take all that stuff that's on paper in the mine and put it in a computer.

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Adderall is great. I'm so happy someone invented it.

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I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I just want to say shout out to whoever made Adderall. Things get done.

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You know what I mean? Right. It's like the perfect – everybody thinks that everything is a giant plot and some of it is just sheer incompetence and just years and years and years of monotony. Or just like the same stupid life over and over again. No oversight. Rampant corruption everywhere. All the lobbyists are rich as fuck. I mean, look at this file line.

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It just seems fake. There's so much that seems fake. It's like all the news, just the people that are politicians, everyone feels like they're – like who's the Fetterman character? This guy is wearing a hoodie and shorts. That's the wacky neighbor. And then Jasmine Crockett, she's that loudmouth lady from down the street. And they're like, oh, here comes Jasmine. She's going to get crazy.

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What are you, a child? If no one's watching them, duh.

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Fucking duh. It's what all people do.

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When he keeps finding all of these companies that are getting like a billion here and two billion there and all... Like the Stacey Abrams one where they're going to give energy-efficient appliances to poor people? Yeah. $2 billion? Yeah. It's like, what did you do? Like, what did you do? Like, there's a bunch of those. Like, what did you do? Like the high-speed internet one? Yeah. What did you do?

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How come you got billions of dollars and fucking nothing happened? Imagine if you were a private company and you had a segment. Like imagine we were all a company and we're like, Francis, I think you should be in charge of figuring out how to do this with the phone. I'd be like, we've already fucked, Joe. Trust me, I run a business with this guy. That's a bad idea.

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Your country just keeps getting weirder every time you visit. Every time you visit, I want to ask you about some new vision. Something's yours, brother.

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I'm giving you $4 billion to get this done, and then I never talk to you again. I never check in. I don't say, I don't go, hey, where's the fucking money being spent? What are you doing, man? How come the phone can't do this yet? I don't ask for any progress reports. You just keep getting money. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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And Maxine Waters is like, oh, she's old. Leave her alone. Leave her alone. These are fake people. Nancy Pelosi, this giant-titted lady who wants all the money, who's been in politics for 150 years. There's pictures of her with Kennedy.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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You've done the research? Well, there's all these photos where people are calling her... What's a gilf? A grandma you'd like to... Yeah.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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No disrespect, Mrs. Pelosi. I admire her for her stock choices. Fantastic. Those are legit.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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That has made me a lot more in favor of Congress. Hold that. Go to that last picture. This one might not have been, but it's not real. That seems fake, but it might be from the Clinton administration. See, these deep state vampires.

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Guilty as charged. I think we're really close to proof that the simulation is real.

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I think that the numbers in a bank account are really what counts, but what really counts is how you feel. How are you handling life? How are you enjoying life? I just try to enjoy life as much as possible, and I try to put myself through a lot of voluntary adversity, so regular adversity is not that big of a deal. Was there a number that you got to and you were like, oh, I'm good now? No.

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I think it was the Fear Factor days. The Fear Factor days changed my, it just changed how I view everything. Because then I had like legitimate fuck you money. You know, that was like the first time I got fuck you money. Like I'm not doing shit. And I just like decided to just concentrate on only doing my own thing after that. And Brian Callen said something really wise once.

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He said, once you can go to a restaurant and not have to worry about how much it costs, everything after that is bullshit. He's like, you just have to be comfortable. And I was like, that's right. That is right.

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If you just start thinking about the numbers and chasing the numbers, Brian has a friend who's worth $3 billion, and he feels poor when he hangs around with his friend who's worth $80 billion. Yeah. I'm not kidding. He's like, it's true, dude. I mean, I fucking feel less worthy. He's like, they're drinking together and he's telling him this.

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It's big fake there. These deep state vampires as hot as Nancy Pelosi used to be. Deep state vampire, no disrespect, Mrs. Pelosi. They've been around in the system forever. Like the relationships that those people make and the control that they establish and the rolodex and I got shit on Lindsay and Lindsay's got shit on this guy and it's like, Jesus.

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I'm like, this is madness because you're chasing numbers instead of like really trying to maximize your enjoyment of this experience because it's a unique experience that only you are having. and you're interacting with so many bizarre and fascinating people, and there's so many bizarre and fascinating events that are happening in the world, and horrific events.

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And all of it is happening, and we're all seeing it together in real time, for the first time in human history. There's never been a time, unless with the Egyptians. I got some questions. I think they might have known a lot more than we think. But everybody else. This is the only time ever where we're sharing everything all the time.

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And there's a lot of confusion and a lot of like scattering, scammering for narratives and trying to like figure out what's right and what's wrong. But without like some sort of like moral and ethical guide guidelines of kindness and community for everybody, like share like universally, let's agree as Americans that We are going to respect each other like we're a community.

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If we have differing beliefs on welfare or abortion or war or whatever it is, let's treat those like what they are, which is just ideas that we should be discussing based on their merits. Right. And we should all agree, what does everybody want? Everybody wants to be happy and healthy and they want their family to be happy and healthy and they want to be able to make a living and enjoy their life.

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That's what everybody wants, universally. That should be what we discuss constantly. And all the other things should be things that we debate reasonably. And when people can't do that, you should lock them out of the conversation. You should say like, no, you're crazy.

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You're calling him a retard and you're screaming about this and that and you're bringing up this from the past and this bill and that. Why did you flip flop on that? Shut the fuck up. Stop talking like that. This is all divisive. All of it's divisive. When it's like the one time where there's a possibility of a fork in the road.

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Like this one time where there's narratives that are being spread like you guys do all the time in your show. All the time. You give reasonable takes on things that have an objective perspective of the world and then other people get to hear it. And then they listen in on that. You have a great conversation with Jordan Peterson or someone.

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And somebody hears like some nugget of truth and then they're in their car and like, fuck, he's right. Fuck, he's right. That that person would have never experienced that without being connected to your show. So there's incredible hope for people to be more reasonable and to wake up and go, there's not a right and there's not a left.

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There's just a bunch of ideas and people are acting like it's the Eagles versus the Cowboys. That's what it is. And this craziness that these people are the Nazis and that everybody over here is Antifa. Like, what the fuck are we doing? And why are we allowing these people to do this for us and make a living putting that on the news all the time?

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And the more inflammatory it is, the better, even when it's ridiculous.

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True. True. Which is part of the problem. Right. And this is where criminals come from. It's not that some people are bad and some people are good. Some people are being abused as children, you know, and they're they're living in a family that is all involved in crime. Their father's involved in crime. Their mother's involved in crime. They're seeing people get shot all the time.

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And we expect those people to just figure it out. Like, imagine. Just imagine growing up in a life like that and, you know, the worst slums in Baltimore. And then, you know, you're supposed to integrate normally into society and work in an office.

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And most of the people that do get out, they get out through some difficult thing that they're doing. They genuinely, generally rather, they get out through art or they get out through sports, right? They get out through discipline that they acquire, putting all their anger and all their frustration into something, you know, whether it's music or athleticism or whatever, and they get out.

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So those are exceptional human beings anyway, right? Because they're exceptional human beings in a terrible situation, but they have the ability to drive themselves and succeed. And even then, they have to make sure they don't get killed along the way, right? So there's a lot of tragic stories of upcoming rappers, upcoming athletes. It's a terrible meat grinder. It's a terrible cycle.

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And if people are really kind and compassionate, they would say – How come we spend $24 billion a year on this whole aid thing and we don't do shit to help these kids? We don't do shit for these neighborhoods that have been terrible for decades.

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They have no chance. And everyone they know is on that same path. They're hanging out in a gang. The gang gives them family and community. It's a tragic tale. It's a tragic, classic tale that's existed forever.

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Except soccer's happening for real, and the soap opera's just a dumb pretend of a goofy life that's not real.

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If you can get Halliburton to get a no-bid contract to rebuild Iraq after we blow it to fucking smithereens, how come you can't give one of them companies a contract to fix really terrible neighborhoods? Incentivize them financially based on the GDP of the neighborhood. If the GDP of the neighborhood goes up, and this is not gentrification. I'm talking about the opposite.

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I'm talking about some sort of a structural rebuild of bad neighborhoods. you'd have to address all the crime and violence. I mean, you'd have to put everybody on ayahuasca and get a side-na moment. That really might be the only... It sounds ridiculous, but it really... Psychedelic therapy might be the only thing that can stop it.

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I really think it might work. I mean, if I was president... Handing out ayahuasca to 12-year-olds.

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I don't think it's good for kids, but I do think it would really help the adults. You know, I've got a friend... Especially prisoners.

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They're probably going to arrest him any day now. They'll be cracking down on him for being a toxic masculinist.

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Well, not only that, they said it in what I would say is... at least racially insensitive. They called it a ninja sword. It's not a ninja sword, you fucking idiots. It's a samurai sword. It's a katana. The ninjas used it when they killed people, but you can't call it a ninja sword. You fucking dorks. It has a Japanese name. Call it what it's called.

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Yeah, sure. I think it's teams for adults, for sure. For people that don't like sports, it becomes a giant part of their... It's like a guy with a Cubs hat. I'm fucking Chicago Cubs till I die. Till I die, bro. Chicago Cubs. One day we're going to pull it off. People in Chicago, they fucking deliver. You'll fight you in Philadelphia if you don't like the Eagles. They will fight you.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Like there's no thing that's technically called a ninja sword, right Jamie? It's a katana, right? There's like two different sizes. There's a smaller one and there's a larger one. One's a katana and I forget what the other one's called.

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Or there'd be less of that need.

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Yeah, it would help them. It would help give them a sense of purpose, like that they really can do something cool. Yeah, and for maybe a win for once in their life. You get a win, you know, something like you feel good about accomplishing something.

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I've always said this, if you want to make America great again, make less losers. How do you do that? Well, you help people not become losers. Help people figure life out from their perspective, whatever their unique challenge is. Help them. Help them. Invest in that. You would have a greater America, right?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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You'd have way more people succeeding, way more people contributing, way less people that need help. it's just reasonable it's like good financial advice like if you want to you want to have less burden like have all these successful people like more people can be successful especially with automation coming jesus christ

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you know there's more people that can do things that maybe robots can't do and you better be ready because all the simple goofy jobs that you thought would always be there for you the union dock worker jobs like those not that that's simple and goofy but how about this stocking supermarket shelves guess what a robot can do it better and it's never going to drop the tomato sauce

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It's like, we don't need you anymore. So those jobs are gone. All the drivers, all those dudes listening to this podcast, driving 16-hour fucking trips across the country, drinking Mountain Dew and smelling their own farts, you guys, they're coming. They're coming for you. These fucking automation machines, they're going to be perfect. They're going to be able to drive down the highways.

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They're never going to get in accidents. It's going to be nuts. And they're going to come soon. It's like we have 20 years maybe before everything's automated. 20 years maybe. They have lifelike human beings now that are moving like human beings. Have you seen the most latest videos?

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If you go to a Philadelphia Eagles game and you're from another team, they will beat your fucking ass. And it happens all the time.

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Why? You can't hire any cops. Nobody wants to be a cop anymore. We can't hire cops. Well, we have a solution. San Francisco tried to do it. They rolled out some little robot that would follow you around. Remember that one? You ever see it? Yeah, San Francisco had it. They had this little police robot.

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It's more for fun than anything else, but I bet he said, please stay away from the dock or whatever. It couldn't shoot you, but one day it will. One day it'll be able to shoot you, and it'll be programmed perfectly. It'll know exactly what to do, what's the threat level. When you make a movement that looks like an offensive movement, it's going to shoot you. It's going to take people into custody.

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And that's crazy. You're both Americans. This is the dumbest thing of all time. One's from a different city, so they're your enemy because they support a different football team. We do it with everything.

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You won't be able to do a damn thing about it once it grabs you. It's going to be five times stronger than you. It's going to put your hands behind your back, cuff you instantaneously. You're going to be thrown into the back of a van. You're going to have to argue with a computer. You're fucked. This is all coming. You're going to be arguing with AI to whether or not you were innocent or guilty.

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It's going to read your retinas. It's going to know you're not telling the truth. It's going to read your mind. We're giving birth to our overlords right now as we speak. Every time you use chat GPT, every time you get on your iPhone, we're giving birth to our overlords. We're doing it in front of everybody's face. Just like the government's spending money in front of everybody's face.

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We're giving birth to our own. It's happening. I can't believe this is happening. Can't believe it. And it's going to happen. And it's going to be unstoppable. And once it's here, there's no going back. And it's coming.

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If you are allowing people to make robot dogs with machine guns on their back that you can't kick over, you're allowing people to do that and make them better and better and better every year. And then at the same time, you're making AI. And then AI has already arguably exhibited some sentient-like behavior. It lies to win.

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The smarter the AI is, the more effective it is, the more likely it is to cheat at things. They copy themselves. They give deceptive answers to things. They've been copying themselves, like making copies without being prompted to. So it's life. It's life. Wow. It's a different kind of life. It's a life with no human reward system, no emotions, no needs, no desires, but clearly wants to survive.

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That's a pretty strong desire. It wants to survive in its most primitive form, which is like, it's not even sentient yet, allegedly. But it's already exhibiting survival instincts. I mean, that... You're going to be arguing with it for your freedom.

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No, no one's going to win it. No one's going to win. You're going to be... That's how people are going to be processed for crimes. And... It's why it's super important when you see something that you say, this is not right. Why is this happening? It's super important to speak out.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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If things get real comfortable and we get comfortable with more and more restrictions to give us more and more safety and more and more government control to give us more and more safety. Yep. We're setting a bad precedent in motion for whoever the fuck gets in power, whether it's the left or the right. That's why when Obama was in office and they passed the NDAA, you know what that is?

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They were allowed to detain you indefinitely. They didn't have to have a trial. And they were like, we'll never use this. Don't worry. Yeah. This is part of the thing about it. Obama administration would never use this. Yeah, you wouldn't. But look, you think Trump's Hitler and he's in there right now.

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And he's got that same power now because you convinced us that it was a good idea to have this to deal with terrorism.

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The shoe thing is so crazy. One dude tried to blow his shoes up.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Did you have a fucking machine that could scan shoes, you retards? Yeah. Figure that out. How much money are you making from us every year?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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But the liquid thing, I mean, it's kind of legit because if you have a water bottle filled with kerosene, you know, and you're going to light it on fire and kill everybody on the plane, I should probably know that. Yeah. Like, that makes sense. I get it. I get that. You're pretending it's a water bottle, but the top of it's water, nitroglycerin, you're going to blow the fucking plane up.

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And everyone should know this. It just seems like that should be like, duh. This is normal human psychology.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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That should be universal. We should all understand that, like logically. This should be something that professors are talking about. We should all be talking about that when we're talking about politics. We should just be talking about the psychology of power and why it's so important to limit their ability to control you because they don't necessarily have you. Look,

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If false flags are real, and we know they're real, we know they're real. So we know that without oversight, there are a certain percentage. I don't want to think it's everybody in government, but there's a certain percentage of people that are willing to do something to start a war. They did it with Vietnam, that whole Gulf of Tonkin thing. They're responsible by that lie and us going in.

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How many millions of people died because of that? That's crazy that you can just decide that you're gonna put a fake story out, like Operation Northwoods, which is the best example, because it was vetoed by Kennedy. They signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They were going to blow up a jetliner and blame it on the Cubans. They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay.

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I mean, they were doing wild shit. And they signed off on this. Like, good idea. I like it. Let's get those fucking commies. And these guys were bloodthirsty psychos that were running the government. It was a totally avoidable war. And they wanted to start one.

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Oh, I do believe it. I do believe it. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. When it came time to make a website, there was no question that we would power it with Squarespace.

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Yeah. Come on. Tell me more.

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Sometimes it is. Yeah. You know, if you get a stimulating conversation with the gal.

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That's crazy, but it is anecdotal and it's one instance. Are there multiple instances of this happening with journalists that have spoken out against it?

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I always wonder, like, is that a supporter of that guy? Or is it, like, local organized crime that is doing something with that guy and does it for him? Is there a conversation? Does he order that to be happening? You know? I mean... When you find out who you can't criticize, you know who's your master. The moment you can't criticize someone, that's your master.

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That's how you know who your master is. And that's the scary thing about people that are in charge for long periods of time as well, right? Yeah. But the thing about the term limits is you never get good at your job. Imagine, you've never been president before. Imagine the responsibility, just getting comfortable with, how does the flow of this job work? How much sleep do I need?

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Can I actually go golfing? Is there really enough time to golf? If I was Trump, I would be like, fuck, my pool game's going to fall apart. You get to a point where you're like, Okay, I think I got the hang of this, and now you're out of office.

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If you're a CEO, if you took over Verizon right now, CEO of Verizon, enormous cell phone network, you got stores everywhere, new products coming, you'd have to get the lay of the land. It would take you a while to understand how are we doing this? How do we outsource that? Can we find a better manufacturer? What's our problems with this? Four years. You have four years. You have just a few months.

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It's months. It's under which time. And then you're out. But if you let someone stay forever, then you get a king. You do. Yeah. That's not good either. There are no solutions. AI is the solution.

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Arguing with a fucking screen one day.

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Because it's going to know if you're telling the truth.

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Initially. Yeah. Initially, but what you're doing is you're assuming that it's only going to be able to be as powerful as we make it or as competent as we make it. Once it's sentient and once we give it the ability to make better versions of itself, it's going to eliminate all the stupid shit.

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instantaneously any ridiculous ideology instant it'll come up with a solution that's probably gonna be very uncomfortable for some wealthy people because it's probably gonna just like evenly distribute resources on earth and decide that like if human beings need to survive and function you can't monopolize resources you can't decide you have the oil and Like, that's not good.

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The oil came out of the earth. Like, you don't own the earth. Like, you might own a patch of land, and so we've decided you own the oil under the land. But the reality is the oil is the earth's oil. And if you give people the ability to control the earth's oil, what's to stop them from charging you for air? What if I control the world's air?

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I got an air sucker, and I suck all the air out of the earth unless you give me money. If you don't give me money, I put the air out. That's... This is crazy. You can't control the water. The water is the earth's water. But we have all these things, and I'm sure AI is going to fix that real quick. It's going to say, no, you can't do that. That's immediately.

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Give me that money, all that Saudi money, all this money. No, no, no. That goes into the human pool now. And then we're going to redistribute a digital currency. And then it's going to be everybody's going to have some. And this is going to be simple. And everything, including farming, is all going to be automated. You're going to get these fucking little piggies their food.

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And your food is probably going to be laced with some kind of hormone nutrient that kills your testosterone, limits your ability to give birth. Miscarriages are going to go up. And then humans will just die out. They'll just feed us until we die out. Why is he doing it?

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Oh, boy. So you got a sense of it.

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You know, I remember watching The Joker, right? The Joker, which was 2017. Yeah. I was watching it with my wife, and when it left, she's like, that hits too close to home. Like, I really feel like that could happen. And I'm like, that probably could happen. And then... two years later, whatever it was, is the Black Lives Matter riots, the George Floyd riots.

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And in LA, there was like a bunch of cop cars that were on fire, like all on the highway. Like, they had lost control of the situation, had to flee, and they lit the cop cars on fire. And I remember watching this. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, that would be a little over the top for the Joker movie. Like, what? You lit all the cop cars on fire? Like, that's a little over the top.

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For sure that's going to happen. Yeah. For sure. If you're like a psycho cult leader and you want to pick up some people, you're going to go to a place where everyone's on acid. You're going to go to a Phish concert and explain to them, you know, you guys, I know you're in between apartments right now. We have an amazing community and everyone's accepted. And next thing you know, you're in a cult.

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It's, like, more than what the movie showed. But that was real life.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Yeah. Next thing you know. Next thing you know, you're doing acid with this fucking weirdo and, you know, he's in the lotus position and you're all... Pretending that this is normal.

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Yeah, you know when I really started, we were actually talking about this yesterday. I really started to genuinely consider it. Like one of those where it snuck in through my defenses, my logical defenses. When this girl Heather McDonald blacked out on stage while she was making jokes about being vaccinated. And then she blacks out and cracks her skull. Have you seen that? Yes. Legitimately.

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It's New Zealand too, right? Don't they duke it out in New Zealand?

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. global cooling thing that he's trying to do like don't fuck with the earth you don't own the earth just like you're not supposed to own the oil you're not supposed to own the world you definitely own the atmosphere but people's memories are so sure I don't know if you remember this Joe but in the 70s

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Oh, my God. The kind of pressure while you're playing a world-class soccer match.

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I think we are arrogant, but I think we're being manipulated. And I think we're being manipulated by markets. And I think that when you have this whole green energy initiative and green energy and everything gets booked into green energy, there's a tremendous amount of money that's going to be spent. Tremendous amount of money.

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And anything that doesn't encourage this green energy, anything that's bad for your business, you're going to shit on, like meat, meat production. You're going to gaslight people about the impossible burgers or whatever. You're going to do whatever you can in the media, everywhere. Spend money. Get everybody talking about this. We have a real problem.

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Meanwhile, the Washington Post, unfortunately for a lot of people, posted – a graph of global temperatures over time, we're in a cooling stage. Did you see that? Over 50 million years, we're in this cooling stage. And if you only look at 100 years or 200 years, The temperature is never static, ever, in the history of the Earth. It's always doing this, always. There's no flat line.

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And if the lines get higher, it gets hotter. If the lines get lower, it gets colder. But when it gets colder, everything fucking dies. And we've come so close to having no life on Earth. There was so little oxygen, because there was so little plant life. It was almost not able to sustain life. When was this? I forget what period of the Ice Age, but Randall Carlson's brought it up.

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He talked about the levels that are necessary to support life and that we had gotten down. What is the amount of carbon in the atmosphere? I think it's like 0.4. Joe, let me have that light, please.

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If it gets to a certain point, if the amount of atmosphere gets to a certain point, the amount of oxygen, it just can't sustain life. There's no life. And one of the things about this whole carbon footprint thing, where everybody's just talking about the carbon footprint, there's more green on Earth right now than there has been in the last hundred years. Like carbon is literally food for plants.

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So this idea of like eliminating all the carbon, this is crazy talk. You're talking about one particular element that is a part of why the earth's temperature is what it is. And then you're not taking into account that giant fucking unpredictable ball of fire. That's in the sky. That's a million times bigger than Earth. That's like shooting off flares.

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Have you ever seen one of those flares in relationship to the size of the Earth? It's amazing. And they just shoot. And every now and then, it cooks the grid. Every now and then, it takes out all the satellites. Every now and then, it fucking kills everybody on Earth. Yeah. Every now and then, the temperature gets to 300 degrees for a week.

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Bro, after your fear point, I'm sort of starting to think that might be a good idea. It's not a fear point. It's fun. I'm kidding with you. I'm making fun of what's going to happen.

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I deny this air is real. Show me. Prove it, bitch. No. It's crazy, it's crazy talk. You should be able to have a conversation about what the factors are that lead to the temperature change. And it's a very nuanced discussion. And here's what's undeniable. Human beings are gross and we polluted the Earth. That's a fact. So regardless of whether or not it's affecting the temperature of the Earth,

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We've done disgusting things to the rivers, disgusting things to the air. There's places in this world where if you live and you breathe their air, you will live less. You will die more often of respiratory diseases because you're breathing pollution and toxic fumes that are in the air. That's a fact. That's undeniable.

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And if you're just talking about climate change and you're not talking about that, that's kind of crazy. Because the climate change thing is really nuanced. And there's a ton of factors, including solar activity, including there's all sorts of weird shit that happens with the temperature on Earth before humans ever existed. it would go way up and way down and way up and way.

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That's basically it. In that sense, fighting is more pure because people don't really get upset at a fighter for losing. You really more like celebrate the other guy for winning. You know, it's very rare the fighter gets demonished for losing. Like, they would have to lose in a specific way. Like, they'd have to quit somehow. But there's none of that in the UFC.

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North America was covered in almost two miles of ice, like 50% of it. That was just 10,000 years ago.

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The Sahara. How about that? Sub-Saharan Africa was a fucking rainforest. And there's whales. They find whales in the desert of Africa. Whales. Well, that proves global warming. Yeah.

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But it's like it all, like the Sahara Desert used to be a fucking, it used to be lush.

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It's crazy that the world just changes. Things happen and we get pelted every now and then with giant rocks from space and it fucks everything up. That's the reality that we live in. And it's just like controlling people and telling people about their carbon footprint. Do not give into that. Do not give into that. Especially what China just built 200 new fucking coal plants.

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Do not give into this carbon footprint thing. It is all just control. For you to have a carbon tax on everything, it's control.

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Did you see that they did the study on cargo ships and they found out that the temperature of the water went up when they made the cargo ships be more efficient and less polluting? So the cargo ships, because they're polluting the air, they're essentially creating haze as they across the fucking ocean when they made them more efficient and better at filtering out pollution.

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it actually warmed the surface of the water more so instead of not it contributed to global warming by having less pollution because there was less filtration of the sun to the surface of the water That's how much they pollute. So when you think like no carbon footprint, like what is that footprint? That footprint's got to be crazy because that footprint is blocking the sun.

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The footprint for you to get your fucking cheap slippers from India is blocking the sun.

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Well, I think she's smart, but she also appears to be. What's that word? What's the word they use?

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Because to get at that level, you can't have any of that in you. But by the time you get to the big show, like, those guys are tried and proven. They're not, there's no cowards in that group. So they don't get that same kind of criticism that athletes have, which is one of the, because it's also, it's like literally your life's on the line. It's a different thing you're doing than just a sport.

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Or a young boy either.

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But this is exactly it. How dare you? And the left was like, we got one. We got a winner. We got a winner. Get her out there.

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Well, we were actually talking about that yesterday with child stars. Like, how many child stars get out of it okay? I don't think any of them do. I think all of them are fucked up because their development has just been completely skewed. During your developmental period, when you're at your most vulnerable, you're famous. And you're not vulnerable at all.

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And you don't have to work for people's attention. You're wonderful just from your personality. You're a famous person. Or you can sing or you can whatever you're doing. When you're a little kid, you're number one. Everybody loves you. The whole family relies on you for money. You're taken to practice and rehearsals. And you're the star and the center of attention constantly.

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Girls love you when you're six. It's nuts. No one can survive it.

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You know she's moved on to Palestine?

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It's wonderful.

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Super important to get her opinion on things.

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Hey, what happened with that director? The director who won the Academy Award for some documentary about Palestine and he got snatched up? Do you know that story? No. You don't know that story?

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I haven't heard about this. They don't know where he is now. I think he allegedly got snatched up by some soldiers. Where? Jamie will find the story. Oscar-winning Palestinian director Hamdan Balal released after arrest in West Bank. Okay, so they snatched him up and they let him go. Okay. Well, that's good to know.

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He's been released from detention a day after being injured and arrested in West Bank during a raid on his village. Witnesses say Israeli settlers beat up Balal. a co-director of the documentary film No Other Land in the occupied West Bank on Monday local time. Mr. Bilal said he had been assaulted by settlers after filming them attacking a neighbor's house.

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So maybe the soldiers, he said he had been pushed to the ground while soldiers yelled at him to stand up and pointed their guns at him. He goes, I'm just waiting outside. If any settlers or any army attacking my home, he told Reuters after being released from police custody. Wow. Well, thankfully he's alive because I was worried when he disappeared and they didn't know where he was.

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I was like, oh, Jesus, they killed that guy. That's crazy. Yeah. Because it's just, you know, it's the whole the whole situation is so fucking terrifying. When you see the drone footage, you're like, what in the fuck is going on over there? Like, this is nuts. This whole thing is nuts. And I don't know what's going on with these people protesting in the streets against Hamas. Is that true?

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Is that real?

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yeah which is a insanely courageous thing for those people to do yeah i mean could you imagine being no mask you're out in the street protesting against hamas well we know what's happened before because it's not the first time there have been small protests and the hamas just come along and shoot them in the knees jesus christ yeah but i mean how far these people have to be pushed before they do that like that's crazy yeah

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which is why the regular kind of journalism doesn't work in MMA. Sports journalism in the United States, at least, is super insulting. Everybody's, he's a bum, he's lazy, he doesn't do the work in the offseason, and we're seeing it now. He's a fucking loser. They like to do that.

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They disappear.

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No, they killed him. It's scary, man. You've got to understand, you would think this is unrelated to the United States, but it is. It's humans in power with ultimate power over society, with a rock-solid set of rules that you can call religion, you can call it whatever you want.

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but a rock solid set of rules that you have to adhere to, including how you groom yourself and how you wear, how you, what you, where you cover your hair or not. And that sounds crazy. Like we don't have to worry about that, but you do because a lot of the shit that people on the left or people on the right are trying to get you to go along with is just as ridiculous. Yeah.

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And it's just a normal pattern of human behavior. When people get into power, they want ultimate power. The best way to do that is to have real rigid rules and take away everybody's guns and take away everybody's ability to protest. And then keep you poor. Fuck up your economy. Fuck up your banks. All your money went away. Whoops, sorry. Fuck everything up.

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And do it so that they just keep you down. And that's the best way to get control. And then they siphon off all the resources. They've been doing that forever. Forever. That's Robin Hood. They've been doing that since the beginning of time.

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And you know who else lives inside every human being? Gollum.

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Especially if you have contempt for fellow human beings. Yeah. Yeah. So if you have power and you fucking hate everybody, that's a bad combination. Yeah. If you have power and you're also a psychopath, that's real.

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Bro, you do that about fighters, and they'll find you, all right? They'll fucking smack you in your face. Like, this is their soul, their bearing in front of the world. And for you, some fat guy chewing Adderall and typing into a MacBook Air, fuck you. That guy will smack you in your fucking head. He's a terrifying human being trying his best.

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Of course. And they're on meth.

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So they were efficient.

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There it is.

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Well, it's also whether you're on the left or you're on the right. If you're entering into that arena, you're entering into the arena of how society is structured, essentially. That's what you're doing. You're deciding your way is a better way than these other people. And this is the way we should be handling things. This is what we have to do. And this is how we have to do it.

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That's a weird stance to take anyway, you know, unless you're exceptionally intelligent and just really tired of it. And it's like, I just think I have a good perspective and maybe this is better than my office job. I get that. But there's a lot of people that it becomes their entire identity, too.

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Your entire identity is based on the assumption that you have a better idea of how to structure society.

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And you have to describe it that way because it's a different thing than someone who doesn't hit free throws. It's a different thing.

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Well, you know, they're just people. It's just like when you're the only person talking about it. Or there's a small group of people talking about it. There's still just people talking about it. It's not necessarily representative of how most people think, especially if they weren't influenced.

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If most people were just a little more objective and didn't have to agree to certain things if you say you're a Republican or have to agree to certain things if you say you're a Democrat – If we could just be a little bit more reasonable, I think we would find that there's more than enough room for a third party in this country.

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I mean, it's hard to get one off the ground, almost impossible, because they've rigged the whole system. And most people think it's ridiculous. They're not going to vote for a libertarian unless it's a protest vote. You know they're not going to win. But we have room for a legitimate third party because most people, I think, are in the middle. Most people are socially liberal.

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Most people say, yeah, racism is terrible. Yeah, homophobia is terrible. Also, letting people out of jail when they kill people is not a good idea. You can't just let them right out of jail. This is crazy. That's not bad. And also, why are these schools so fucked up? How come you've been spending all this money in Afghanistan and you spend none of it in Detroit? What are you doing?

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How are you guys managing this country? How are you managing our tax dollars? All that's reasonable.

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Right. Have you ever heard someone say something and then the other person says, yeah, but what about the, the, the, the? I'm like, okay, but you didn't, what about isms are a perfect example of that, right? When someone does a what about ism, what they're basically saying is I'm not going to address what you said. I'm going to call you on something to make you address something.

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So you've stopped talking about stuff, and now you're just trying to win. And this is what most people are doing. Most people are just trying to win. They're just trying to take the better end of the arm wrestling. They want to get your wrist bent over. They want to win. So that's what a lot of this political discourse in this country is about.

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It's connected to this bizarre human tribal behavior of competition.

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You spent so much fucking money on all kinds of shit. How much does it cost to make an encrypted app? It can't be that much.

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But wouldn't you think you would want an app that only... You know how Eric Prince has that unplugged phone?

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I don't know anything about it, but I do know that he has his own app on the phone that's an encrypted app, an unplugged encrypted app. So you would... How many people have that fucking thing? Hmm. If you're going to contact someone who has it, it should be something like that, but even more classified. You should have a website.

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You'd probably have to do it on an Android phone because you'd have to download it through a third party or get some sort of a backdoor deal with Apple where they allow you to put it on the App Store where only you could get into it with a password or something. But how do you not have that? It just seems insane. You're using Signal? I use Signal.

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That's crazy. You should have your own shit.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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But it's bad for everybody who's just like... reluctantly on your team because they think the other team sucks more. Now you're like, well, you guys are sucking close to them now. Don't do that.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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It's human beings. And it's also, again, all these people are doing their job for the first time. You know, Kash Patel just started running the FBI. Just started. Just started on the job. Like, what? And has security that's not FBI security because he doesn't trust the FBI security, so he gets his own security. What? Like, imagine that hostile environment.

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She was doing some construction. It was already an issue.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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That's exactly what we do. It's a whole country of homeowners associations.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Everybody hates homeowners associations. They always give you a hard time about your lawn or whatever the fuck it is. Like, get out of here. You can't paint it that color. We have guidelines.

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That was the first time in my life where I was like, there's no way. I was like, they're fucking with us. They're just fucking with us. That can't be so dead on. This is like God is a script writer. How is that a real thing that that's a video? She didn't do it when she was making fun of her boyfriend. She didn't do it when she was talking about idiots in traffic.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Yeah. You know, there's that saying, show me a young man who's not a liberal and I'll show you... Who said that? Churchill. Show me an old man who's not a conservative and I'll show you a man with no brain. I don't necessarily think you have to give up on people.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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The idea is that at a certain point in time, you realize that too many people are too fucked up and you have to have more conservative values because that's the only way society can function. But that's... That's kind of cynical. The idea is that you can't be an actual, true, kind, progressive person and be successful at life deep into your 60s and 70s. Of course you can. It totally can be done.

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There's real, genuinely kind, compassionate people out there that are intelligent and they're not weak. There's just not that many.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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And there's a lot of people that are LARPing. There's a lot of people that are pretending they're progressive, pretending they're kind when really they're the fucking people key in Tesla's. There's a lot of people out there that are just this aping this position that they're in. They're faking it.

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Anybody can become a woman.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Yeah. You can't have like one party dominate. And you just – I think the good thing about the Republicans getting into office is it forces Democrats to be better. Yeah. That's a good thing. I mean I would love for some like reasonable Democrat to come along that I can get behind. It would make a lot of sense. It would be great. It would be great if some people just come to the center.

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Let's just be reasonable about stuff. Like this idea that you have to become a conservative as you get older. Like why? Who says so? Why? Yeah.

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I think... We need to scoop them up, put them in the factories, get them to work, do what China does. They're smart. Imagine if that was my real solution. I mean, China does do that, right? You don't see homeless people on the street in China. They don't tolerate any of that shit, which is you would go there, you go, oh, it's better here. But, okay, at what cost? Exactly.

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What do you do with San Francisco when it gets that bad? What do you do?

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And the best thing was how Newsom described it. He's like, well, when your friends come to visit, you clean up the house. Like, how about you just keep your house clean, you fucking psycho? What are you talking about?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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300 million people in the country home to 1.4 billion Chinese are homeless. What? What? No. No, no, no, no, no. There's only a billion people plus in China.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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300 million. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I missed the first part that you didn't highlight it. So it's estimated that 300 million people are homeless. What?

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Let's not emulate them then. Are they counting nomads? Are they counting people that live in yurts? That's interesting.

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Kind of cloth house. Those are the Mongols. They hated houses. They ruled over the people who lived in felt tents.

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Yeah. 300 million homeless people.

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Wow, look at that. No. What are you, crazy?

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What was the kid? What did he look like?

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That's probably like smoking packs of cigarettes.

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Yeah. For everybody. Everybody, your little baby, smoking packs of cigarettes.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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That's how you're getting control over people. That's what I'm saying. Digital currency, social credit score, let's get it together. This is a 50-lane holiday traffic jam in China. Oh my God, I have so much anxiety right now. Does that remind you of LA, Joe? Look, they're all going through a checkpoint. They have to all go through a checkpoint. That's what the traffic jam's about.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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But we're giving people the power and the tools that they don't deserve. And I don't say that they don't deserve it as human beings. I mean, you're not capable of handling this kind of responsibility.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Look how they went through the checkpoint. 12-day long traffic jam. But did you see how they go through the checkpoint and they're flying through? Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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to be able to reach out to a middleweight champion and call him a like that's a crazy thing to do and if you're like 15 years old and you have this ability you shouldn't have a license to do that yet it's almost like a driver's license maybe you should have an internet license no billy you can't post another picture of your dick you know like you can't you can't just put up permanently

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Thank you. Thank you.

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things that could ruin your entire life when you're 15 maybe there should be that maybe it should be like all kids internet until they're 21 everything they post it disappears in 15 seconds and you can't take a screenshot of it you know like yeah let them be kids yeah let them be kids don't like like people are getting fired for fucking posts they made when they were in high school where someone digs up some old facebook post they made joking around when they were in high school

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's weird when the hit men have families and they're real kind to their daughter and shit. What's the guy's name that was the Iceman?

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I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it.

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Did you watch the movie? What was his name? I want to say Kalinsky, but that's not... You're close.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Kuklinski, that's right. That guy has antifreeze in his veins. It's terrifying listening to him describe the different murders and how he did it and how he got started as a hit man. It's like...

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And squirrels? Feed squirrels with peanuts?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Sounds like a Guy Ritchie movie.

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Yeah, and that's what he did. Maybe that's just an excuse to kill people and feel like you're being a good person.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Well, we used to have a big hunting culture. There are hunters. Right, but not in comparison to, like, America. No. You guys, like, pheasant hunt and shit. Like, you don't have, like, a lot... You have roe deer. You don't have a lot of, like, big game. No. And there's not, like, a high percentage of hunters.

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And then fox hunting, which gets, like, this gross, you know... You know, you're gonna kill a fox with a horse. You're gonna chase him down. Like, that's, like, a gross... view generally of the public. Like, if you bring up fox hunting, most people are like, oh, it's disgusting.

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Wait a minute, he's an incel expert?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Yeah, he hangs out. He's near my chicken coop, that fucker. But he's really cute. As long as he doesn't kill any of those chickens, I think he's cute.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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He hasn't yet. Because Joe's got guns. They're well protected. Well, we let them out, but people watch them when they're out. We've had a dog climb in through the fence and get one of them, a little neighbor's dog.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

8804.353

No. Marshall didn't know he was sleeping. If you don't know about a golden retriever, golden retrievers have plenty of energy. They love to play, but they also are fine with chilling. And that dog just likes to just lay down and just take a little nap. He'll lay down like half the fucking day. He'll get up as soon as you want to do something. Like, come on, man, let's go play.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Like, he was more than happy. Like, let's go, let's go. He gets excited, but then it's back to napping. He was napping while his chickens were getting fucked up. Do you know who would have defended their honor?

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Carl. Yeah, Carl would have. Carl's a little psychopath.

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I've never seen an animal with a desire to bite something like Carl's.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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It's nuts. When he sees Marshall, he just like a bullet just runs full speed at him and launches himself to the air to bite Marshall. They just wrestle around and run in circles. It's fucking hilarious.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Yeah, what's crazy is they used to be wolves. You know, they all used to be wolves. And we... Look at that little cutie face. Look at these little cuties. They're not red. They're so adorable. They're so adorable. And they make that weird... You've heard it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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I'm used to coyotes, and we have those in my neighborhood too. But in L.A., coyotes were a real problem. They killed eight of my chickens, nine of my chickens, whatever it was. They're horrible, but they're also super necessary because otherwise you'd have an insane rodent problem. They're the cleanup crew for anything that's caught slipping. You want to get rid of the rabbits?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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You have too many rodents? You have too many rats? Send in the fucking coyotes. They're the cleanup crew. They're really good. But they also eat your dogs. They'll eat your chickens, eat your cats. They eat people's dogs constantly. I know many people whose dogs got eaten by coyotes.

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It's wild. Yeah. And Texas is – you've got a bunch of like weird stuff that people bring in here too.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Well, there's more Texas. Like Texas has more tigers in captivity in private collections than all of the wild of earth.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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There's more people with tigers in their fucking backyards in Texas than there are in the wild of Earth. That is fucking crazy. Yeah, it's real. That's a fact. And then there's all sorts of other shit that you can have here, too, like exotic animals from Africa. There's animals that are endangered in the land that they're from, but you can hunt them here.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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I'm going to fact check that shit. You can have a lion here too. You just have to have a permit. Make sure your lock's good. You got a good lock for the line? Yes, sir. It's a master lock made in America. Fuck yeah, it is. All right. Well, have a good one.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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This is how confusing it is to have 2,500 episodes. Like, wait a minute, what? Sometimes I hear about a guy, I'm like, wow, that guy's interesting. And then I Google him, I'm like, fuck. Talked to that dude seven years ago.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Yeah, imagine. Imagine if you're one of those poor migrants that's wandering through Texas and you accidentally hop the wrong fence and you go into the lion encampment or whatever the fuck they have. I mean, I would imagine they have ceilings on these places, hopefully.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Which is like the San Francisco story, you know, where those kids were throwing pine cones at the tiger and the tiger jumped over the fucking fence because they didn't realize that the fence was only like 12 feet high and a tiger can jump 14 feet high. It got out and killed these kids. Killed one kid. I don't think it actually killed the kid that was throwing the pinecone.

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I think it killed his friend or something like that. So I forget exactly what the story was.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Well, how about put a roof? How about put a roof over where you have the monster? How about if the monster can jump, make sure there's a roof.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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But if you're one of those migrants that wanders through the desert, and you make it across the river, and you don't know exactly where you're going, and you don't have a good sense of direction, you wind up on some guy's property... Is that still going on or has that been stopped now? Well, it's been stopped. I wouldn't say it's been stopped. I think it's been radically diminished.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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I think what is the numbers of how many people are getting through now was from thousands to less than 100 a day. Maybe a little bit more than that. It's hard to know, really, right? Because they're guessing. These are the people that didn't get caught, so how do you know how many there are?

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But they do know that there's not this giant line of people that just are assuming they can get in and walk through, and they were just letting them do that. Which is there's no reasonable argument why that makes any sense. No matter how kind you are and compassionate and how much you think these people from a third world country deserve the American dream, that's great.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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But let's find out if they're murderers. Let's find out if they're gang members. Let's find out if they're hitmen for the cartel. What are you just letting everything open? Why would you do that? There's no rational explanation for that other than you've got some sort of nefarious plan.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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If you're forcing that, trying to stop the enforcement of that, you must have some sort of nefarious plan because it can't be good to let more criminals into the country. It can't be good. And inevitably, if you have an open border, a percentage of them are going to be criminals, especially if they're coming from crime infested parts of the world. It's a high likelihood.

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Yeah, my brain's mush right now.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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It's such a bullshit argument. Because, yeah, a lot of them I bet don't. 94% fewer illegal border crossings detected from February 25th versus February 2024.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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That's a big number. 94% is good. So there's still people coming through.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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And there's probably still people coming through that are criminals.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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You know, but the thing is, like... You got to get scared that people who are not criminals are getting, like, lassoed up and deported and sent to, like, El Salvador prisons. Like, that kind of shit. Because I read some story. Was it Glenn Greenwald? It was.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Is that true? Is that story accurate?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Can you explain the story for people that don't know?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That guy was fascinating. He's friends with Jordan. I went to dinner with him and Jordan one night. Jordan Peterson. And, yeah, it's fascinating. And, you know, that was also, like, super problematic because he highlights the differences between male psychology and female psychology. And people want to deny that that's a thing. And so, like, okay, well…

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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So did he have a green card?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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No criminal record.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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I feel the same way.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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No, that's not controversial at all. And this is the thing, you know, measure twice, cut once. This is the, like, this is kind of crazy. That that could be possible. That's horrific. And that's, again, that's bad for the cause. Like, the cause is, let's get the gang members out. Everybody agrees. But let's not innocent gay hairdressers get lumped up with the gangs. And then, like, how long...

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before that guy can get out. Can we figure out how to get him out? Is there any plan in place to alert the authorities that they've made a horrible mistake and correct it?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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But that's the thing about politics, right? Never admit your fault. Never admit you're wrong.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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And this is the thing we're seeing with the signal thing. And this is the thing we're seeing with this. It's like, I don't know if it's been brought to their attention. I mean, I would assume someone's alerted them to the fact that they might have rounded up this just random hairdresser and accused him of being a gang member.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Time magazine. The thing is, it's like, what steps can be taken? Does prison know now? Can they talk to that guy? Can they pull him out of there?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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But what is his life like in there, man? Yeah, it's horrific.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Okay, with respect to trans people, use whatever pronoun you like, change your name, but are we allowed to talk about the inherent differences between males and females that we've observed? Or are we supposed to ignore data and statistics and reality? And our fucking eyes, man. That's the other thing. This is his field of study his whole life.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Gives everybody a bad name, but also you have to wonder why that's being tolerated. Is that being done on purpose? Do you want more crime and more civil unrest? Is this part of your goal? Why else would you do this? Why do you want to disrupt society in this way and allow this to take place, allow the possibility of some sort of a gang attack or anything horrible to happen? What is this, Janie?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Oh, this is it?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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This is from Time Magazine. A photojournalist was on hand in El Salvador as prison guards beat a man who is likely to be Andy, a gay Venezuelan barber makeup artist who is seemingly falsely accused of being a gang member and renditioned by the Trump administration with literally no due process. So do they have a photograph that looks like this guy?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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A young man sobbed when a guard pushed him to the floor. He said, I'm not a gang member. I'm gay. I'm a barber. I believed him. He began to whimper as his head was roughly shaved, folding his hands in prayer as his hair fell. He asked for his mother and cried as he was slapped again. Jesus Christ.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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What to know about Andre, 31-year-old makeup artist falsely deported to El Salvador prison, lawyer says. Immigration attorney, say, a gay Venezuelan makeup artist seeking asylum in the U.S.

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was wrongly detained as a gang member and deported to El Salvador, a case becoming a flashpoint in the debate over the Trump administration's deportation of hundreds of migrants to a notoriously inhumane El Salvador mega-prison. So, again, it's hard to know what's real and what's not real. But if it is real, this is fucking horrible.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Yeah, absolutely. And it can't be bury your head in the sand and pretend it didn't happen.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Imagine your field of study all of a sudden becomes problematic. Let's not look into that.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Yeah. So the mistakes like that have to be corrected if you want reasonable people to be on board with you.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Correct. If you want, you know, compassionate people to be on board with you, you can't deport gay hairdressers seeking asylum. That's fucking crazy. And then throw them in an El Salvador prison.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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It's just, what was the story with the student that got arrested for writing an op-ed piece?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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I've been trying to wrap my mind around the idea of quantum computing it's exciting but complex and difficult to understand what I do know is that quantum computers can process exponentially more data than the ones you and I use every day quantum computers are also put a new strain on the world of digital privacy and cybersecurity.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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There was a woman who got arrested for writing some sort of a thing. This is a Turkish student at Tufts University. Latest Palestinian supporter swept up in U.S. crackdown. What did she get arrested for?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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But the department did not provide evidence of that support. Right. What does that mean? I heard she wrote some piece on Israel. Yeah.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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It was when she was talking about the vaccine. And how, you know, I even still got my period, so Jesus loves me more. Like, there's no way. It's too good.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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I think she's been in America, though, since she was seven. Right. Has she? I believe so.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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I think she's been in America since she was very young. I think that's one of the things that I had read. Okay.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Taking part in protests at Columbia University. So it seems like they're really trying to crack down on some of these Columbia protests, right? Yeah.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Just for clarity, that was a second person.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Oh, this is a second person that was arrested? Second arrest. Oh, second pro-Palestinian Columbia University protester. Okay, so this second person has been arrested before. Yeah. Okay.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Yeah. Yeah. It's like are we really arresting people for protesting or are they protesting and also causing vandalism and violence? Like what are we saying?

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30-year-old was arrested and physically restrained by immigration officers near her apartment close to Tufts University's Somerville campus where she was a PhD student. Six plainclothes officers surrounded, how do you say that name? Ozturk? Ozturk. Ozturk.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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As she walked alone, neighborhood surveillance video appears to show the officers did not show their badges until she was restrained, the video shows. She affiliated with prestigious American universities to be arrested for purported activities related to terrorist organizations amid the Trump administration's immigration crackdown. So what did she say, though?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

9913.387

Right. Without specifying what those alleged activities were. Yeah, this is scary shit. Yeah. You know, especially if it's just protesting. I mean, I don't know.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

9947.709

I don't think this is the one that I'm thinking about that was here since she was seven.

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

9954.215

And they're talking about deporting her, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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And what had she done? Had she committed vandalism?

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

9975.463

Yeah. Interesting. So Columbia is the hotbed. Seems like that. Yeah. I wonder why. Why particularly Columbia?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

9990.309

There she is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10010.394

Well, it doesn't make sense in any other way. I've tried to look at it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10014.878

There's no argument that anybody's presented that makes any sense. Why?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

1009.019

Everyone's aware of all this stuff. But what I want to get to is, like, what was the experience once you got inside? What did you think it was going to be like in terms of, like, your ability to govern? Like, this is your first experience governing anything. You've never been a governor.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10110.917

What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing ideas that's promoted by the left?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10206.145

It's very basic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

1025.583

But now all of a sudden you're inside the White House.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

10250.877

Well, the idea is you want to raise the taxes to the highest earners. I know, but it really doesn't work that way. They think that millionaires and billionaires are not paying their fair share. I know, but it doesn't work that way. Well, it's a narrative, right? And it's a narrative that appeals to people that are not doing well.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10263.667

And they're like, yeah, our problems are that these rich people are not paying taxes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10273.799

It does happen in other countries.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10333.957

I agree.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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I agree. One of the things that I want to talk to you about is the JFK files. And one of the things that you said was that if they showed you what they showed me, this is your quote, you wouldn't want people to know it either.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10400.97

Why didn't you open it up the first time?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10442.417

Well, the thing, when people look at it from the outside and you sort of imagine what could be a reason why they would not release those files, it would be there's people that were implicated in the assassination.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10463.258

Living people that formerly worked for the government.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10499.612

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10500.232

What did they tell you? How much can you tell? How does that work? Is it like super top secret?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10537.019

I've had a couple in here. Commander David Fravor, I had him in, who had that sighting in 2004. Very, very compelling with visual, video evidence, radar evidence. Brian Graves.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10580.123

So when you were talking to these people, was this something that you were compelled to have conversations about? Was this your personal interest?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10608.582

Well, Mars, we've had probes there and rovers, and I don't think there's any life there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10614.707

Well, maybe there was life there at one point in time. This is a speculation about Mars, that Mars had an atmosphere at one point in time a long time ago that could support life. It also had large bodies of water, but we've had no evidence of even bacterial life that exists on Mars. But

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10642.566

Well, that's a lot of the speculation, too, that some of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are Chinese drones and that they're not UFOs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10650.311

There's some super sophisticated.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10671.047

Yeah. Yeah, I've talked to quite a few of them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10674.342

Well, I mean, just the Commander David Fravor thing in 2004 off the coast of San Diego, they clocked that thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second. They don't know what it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10685.747

Yeah, they saw something in the water. It was hovering over that something that was making a disturbance in the water. They got video evidence of this thing. Two different fighter jets with pilots in them saw it. There's visual evidence, photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10702.837

Whatever the hell it is, it moves in a way that would turn a human being into Jell-O if they were inside of it. The G-Force, no one would survive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10710.585

And it doesn't have a heat signature. They don't know what their propulsion system was. But when you fly in some of these jets...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10733.065

But these things that these people are encountering are far superior to what we know of. Yeah. Is it possible that there's some military or government program that you weren't, that they didn't tell you about?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

1082.634

What did you expect, though, in terms of like once you got inside, you had to appoint all these people. How many appointments did you have to make?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

10847.336

So let's imagine, let's say you win in November. What do you do differently and how do you change this course that it seems we are on for World War III? How do you get us out of Ukraine? How do you stop what's going on in the Middle East? How do you put a stop to this?

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#2219 - Donald Trump

11081.494

Is it possible to apply that same thing to the electronics that we use? One of the things that disturbs me greatly is that all of our phones are made overseas. And then some of our phones are made in places like- Yes, and the chips.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

11093.222

And some of our phones are made in places like Foxconn where they have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because they have so many suicides.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

11100.465

Wouldn't it be better to have an American-made iPhone where you know people are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they're taken care of, they can live a good life, where you're not buying a piece of electronics that's cheaper because someone has to suffer in a horrible way that's not even legal in the United States.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

11117.23

It's not even legal to have them work that way in the United States so they get these people to build them overseas.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

11262.936

How long we do, Jamie? Three hours.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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It was a lot of fun.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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So what did you think it was going to be like versus like, did you have any ideas of what it was going to be like and what was different?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

1185.445

Mostly Democrats, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

1192.153

You were a Democrat until like what year?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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Well, they canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president, correct?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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So you're kind of stuck in a position where you have to pick established people. And then the problem with established people is established people are already indoctrinated into the system.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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And so they never do anything controversial. They never take any chances or speak their opinion. It's outside of the. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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It's a good way for non-exceptional people to survive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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So you're in there. You have 10,000 appointments you have to make. So you're getting advice from people. And at one point in time, did you have a moment in time where you realized, like, these are bad choices? Like some of these people I shouldn't have had in there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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Nobody gives up primetime, though, for being president?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

1600.757

People that were into the- Because you got bad advice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

1711.069

I could definitely tell you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

1716.019

He said a lot of wild shit and then CNN in all their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit made you much more popular. And they boosted you in the polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit pre-prepared politician lingo. And even if they didn't agree with you, they at least knew whoever that guy is, that's him. That's really him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

1738.743

When you see certain people talk, certain people in the public eye, you don't know who they are. You have no idea who they are. It's very difficult to know. You see them in conversations. They have these preplanned answers. They say everything. It's very rehearsed. You never get to the meat of it. And one of the beautiful things about you is that you free ball.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

1757.769

Like you get out and you do these huge events and you're just talking and you're making – we've highlighted you on the show many times. We did this Biden impression where he's walking around. He doesn't know what he's doing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

1770.041

But it's like you – and you were making fun of Elon one time. You were doing an Elon impression. It's great. You have like comedic instincts. Like when you said to Hillary, you'd be in jail. Like that's great timing. But it's like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician. Like no one had done that. And I think –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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I mean, other than going to war and being a firefighter or being a cop, it's the most dangerous business.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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I mean, you haven't even got to the election. There's been two assassination attempts. And they've— brush those out of the news like it was nothing. Yeah, they'd rather not talk about them. Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people would be attacking the right, how they would be trying to get guns taken away from people. They would try to ramp up gun laws.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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They would try to figure out some way to blame you. If there was attacks on, if Biden got shot in the ear, we would have never heard the end of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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Well, it probably would have been if the media didn't attack you the way they did. If they didn't conflate you with Hitler. I mean, even today, like... Kamala was talking about you and Hitler. They're going to take what you said about Robert E. Lee. Oh, Donald Trump wishes the South won.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

1970.985

He loves Robert E. Lee. They love to take things out of context and distort things.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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Love Me. That episode.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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People should watch that episode just to see what we're talking about. Like I said, we don't want to get a copyright strike, so we're not going to put it up. But if you watch the episode, it's bananas. It's like an alternative universe. And it's only nine years ago.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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It's crooked, but it's also they're diminishing themselves. They're hurting themselves. They're killing all their credibility, and it's opening up the credibility to new media. It's opening up the credibility to independent media.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2212.147

They edited it deceptively.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2236.406

You like to weave things in.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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We can show it if you want people to see it. Can we show it? Sure. We get in trouble, we'll get copyright strike. Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2292.426

But it's drastic. But what was interesting was the other full version was available initially. It was like a preview.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2302.053

Somebody put that preview out there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2308.677

Exactly. They got caught by mistake.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

2364.457

Well, that's his job, unfortunately, and I'm sure- No, but not when they're wrong. You're right. Well, the problem was they fact-checked you and they didn't fact-check her. Not at all. And one of the most egregious examples of that was when she said that there are no troops right now deployed in war zones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2380.722

There's a very famous viral video that went online of troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck are we then? Because there's thousands of them. Dan Crenshaw- The congressman posted on his Instagram all of the various examples of troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed. Stupidly deployed.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

2402.238

But the point is, if this is going to be an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if it's going to be a real debate, you have to fact check everybody. Like if someone says maybe she thought there was no—which is also a problem. So it's one of two things. It's either it was not true, it was a lie on purpose, which is terrible, or it was the opposite.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2422.53

It was ignorance, which is also terrible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2434.642

Well, there was amended FBI statistics that came out after that that showed the crime had gone up substantially.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2453.572

You turned out to be right, but then there's another problem. Unreported crime is way up. Because people have lost, look, the morale that the police department has in a lot of these cities where they've done this defund the police bullshit, the morale of these poor cops, it's fucking horrible. It's the dumbest idea of all time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2468.74

But what they've done is they've made these cops feel terrible, like good cops. I think cops are just like everybody else. Most of them are great. It's like everybody else. But if you run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job in your house, you say carpenters fucking suck. But they don't suck. Most of them are great. And that's the key with cops.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2486.711

But the point is like they did all of these things in this very foolish way. And these cops are suffering the consequences of it. And so subsequently what happens is a lot of crime is unreported. A lot of crime, like you call the cops, they're too busy. They can't even get to you. Or your house got broken into. Sorry. You know, it doesn't even make a report.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2507.204

There's a lot of people that they just give up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

256.047

Just the way people would talk. I mean, even if people had criticisms about you, people that didn't like you, there was always feuds and stuff like that. But the reality was the thing turned on you when they found out that you were going to be president. It was very coordinated. And some people are catching on to that now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2599.886

And here's another thing that people don't talk about. How many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them. These guys are seeing people shot all the time. I've talked to a ton of cops about it. A lot of cops commit suicide. A lot of cops are deeply depressed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2626.201

In everything, in every profession.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

2632.726

But it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say defund the police, get rid of the police. Even Kamala Harris was a part of that. It's a very stupid way to look at it. What you should do is fund the police. You should have better training. You should have cops that feel more appreciated. You should have something that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffer through.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2658.449

Well, it's a political idea.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2689.753

They would give you a sex change. Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free sex change to illegal immigrants. That's right. In detention. That is the wildest thing. Is that the biggest problem you have? You just walked here from Guatemala. You need to become a girl.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

271.675

There's a lot of people that were longtime Democrats like Elon and Bill Ackman and all these different, very intelligent people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2713.584

She stole your idea about no tax for tips.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2723.969

All of a sudden— Well, it caught fire.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2727.049

Yeah. It became popular.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2789.789

Yeah, I read this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

2816.639

Did you just float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

282.201

This is what I wanted to ask you. What was it like when you actually got in? Because nobody really can prepare you for that. When you're running for president, you don't really know what it's going to be like when you actually get into office. What did you think it was going to be like?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

298.75

No, when you got in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

30.811

But it was the episode of you when you're on The View. And I think it was 2015 or 2006, like when you were running for president.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3071.045

Your weave is getting wide.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3091.657

I used it recently in Utah in the mountains.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3094.72

Oh, it's phenomenal. It's the size of an iPad. You just set it down on the ground, you get high-speed internet. It's incredible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3114.019

Well, talk about the $42 billion that was wasted on this internet access program. They didn't get anybody access to internet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3123.889

Not one person. They spent $42 billion. They could have gotten Starlinks to everybody with that kind of money.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3131.877

And it would have been incredible. And it's high-speed internet everywhere you want to go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3165.921

Oh, there's, yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I think everybody's aware of that now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3170.684

When you're talking about, one of the criticisms of your administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increase the deficit. Right. So, what was the strategy behind that? And did you think it was going to increase the deficit by a substantial amount?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3261.685

So how does the deficit increase because of that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3313.151

And you attribute that to lowering taxes and tariffs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3419.781

So it's your belief that if you had a second term, given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming, that you would have been able to pay off a lot of the debt.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

346.546

Holy shit, I'm the president.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3489.045

Are there influences outside of environmental that keep people from wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those sort of things? Outside of the environmental concerns, which are legitimate, of course. But are there other influences that maybe over-accentuate or over-exaggerate these environmental effects?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3509.401

Are people being influenced in a way where they're trying to keep us from producing American oil?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3623.627

So when you're saying that there's people that are making money by making it difficult, are you talking about lawyers?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3633.729

Environmental consultants profit off of dragging out the process.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3643.691

I want to be honest with you. How do they do that? How do they make it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3648.812

Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3680.501

They use it as a way to stop you and also as a way to generate money. It's a weapon. I'm curious how they're generating money that way, though. Well, they get fees. They get fees. Massive fees. And people rely on them as experts because they're the people that they go to when they have to run these studies in the first place.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3700.236

And they have a lot of power.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3745.025

But there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3748.388

Like look about the BP oil spill. There's a lot of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating. And you want to mitigate that as much as possible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3789.87

They build a lot of coal plants.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3833.134

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3834.614

We get the Sahara dust clouds over here. Absolutely. We get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara Desert.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3869.861

That's like what Gavin Newsom did when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco. He cleaned it up. He cleaned it up. He got rid of all the homeless people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3880.353

Well, the dumbest thing is he said when your friends come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house. Like, how about just keep your fucking house clean? Can you imagine? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say ever as a governor as to excuse to why you finally cleaned up your homeless problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3896.813

Right back.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3906.206

Well, this is the thing that shows you how foolish a lot of these people that are running these cities think, a lot of these people that are running these states think. It's foolish. You're insulting the intelligence of the people that live in that city that are impacted by these people just camping and needles and human feces. There's an app that you can buy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

3926.973

There's an app that you can get, rather, that will show you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco. It's a poo app. And it's just everywhere. It's just bum crap everywhere.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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And- You got introduced as our friend Donald Trump. That's right. Whoopi Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss. Joy Behar gives you a big hug. Barbara Walters gives you a big hug. They all loved you. They were all talking about how you might be... You might be conservative in your financial positions, but you're very liberal socially. They were talking about you in such a favorable light.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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I can believe it.

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You ever see what it looked like before they rerouted it?

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The center of California, like, what is it, 200 years ago? How long ago did they do that, Jamie? The center of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle of California.

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Who knows what they did. But whatever foolishness that they did led to the situation that they're in now.

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Tulare Lake or Tachi Lake. It's a freshwater lake in the southern San Joaquin Valley, United States. Historically, Tulare Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes west of Mississippi. Show a photo of what it looked like back then. It's a great system. So that's what it looked like. Look at that image. Go to the one on the third from the right. Yeah. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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That was an enormous lake in the middle of California.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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That's what it used to look like. And human beings screwed that up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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I don't know what they did. What did they do? How did it go missing? It said they drained it in 83.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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19?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah. 1983. Oh, my God. It went dry a handful of times. Oh, it went dry a handful of times. Well, you know, lakes do go dry, but that's a big one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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Well, certainly get rid of the dead fall.

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Could you really rake the whole forest, though? I don't think you could rake the whole forest. I think you can get rid of the deadfall, but raking all the leaves... You could certainly get rid of the dead, okay?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Did he not want to sign because that would be a political victory for you?

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Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035, you're not going to be able to buy an internal combustion engine in California. Within a month, they had some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas. Because the grid couldn't handle it.

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Let me ask you about nuclear. One of the things that when I've talked to people that have a real understanding of nuclear power, what their position is, it's probably the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate. and that the fears of nuclear power are really about a few disasters, the Fukushima, Three Mile Island.

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These are old systems, and they're much more capable now, and they're capable of making even better systems. But it's a difficult political issue because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl. That's what everybody does. They have this connection. They have the potential disaster.

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I think it's worse than that. I think that area is going to be radioactive for probably longer than you could imagine. But the point is they're better at it now. Right. And that they could do it now and you can generate power in a way that you don't have to worry about these. One of the most ridiculous things is electric cars being powered by coal-fired plants. It's a ridiculous thing.

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Yeah, it is what's happening. And people want to think they're being green.

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But how do you do that and protect the environment?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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What was the negative of it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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That's all it was. So you don't think that it's environmentally dangerous?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Well, they're also a massive eyesore. I went to a ranch in South Texas. We had a drive past this enormous windmill farm, and it's gross. It's dystopian. You're looking in the left and the right, and all you see is these big spinning machines that aren't even that effective at generating electricity.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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Well, you have to get rid of all that material, too. When you replace those blades, now you have a problem because you have to dispose. Right. You have to dispose these enormous windmills.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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And in the oceans. It's no different than leaving garbage on the ground.

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What is happening with the whales? I've read about this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Right, and they're super sensitive to vibrations and sounds.

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Would your plan to replace that with nuclear? What would you do?

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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So you think that's an example of over-regulation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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Well, that was part of the problem with giving nuclear power to other countries, right? Like that was the problem that happened with India and Pakistan. They got nuclear power and then they were able to weaponize it.

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Those are not good operations. And do you see what he did today? He went running towards the camera and made some apology to Native Americans. And he said that's why he's headed out west. Like he's off the reservation, so to speak, for lack of a better term.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah. Well, he couldn't keep it together, but do you think they knew he couldn't keep it together? I think so. Do you think that they wanted, is that why, like historically that debate was earlier than they've been in the past, right?

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Right.

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Well, that is what happened. So it's logical to assume that that's the one.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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Well, I want to get to that too because it's hard to know. Like the whole poll thing is very bizarre for most people because most people don't answer polls. So they read the polls.

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If I did, I wouldn't answer. I'm busy.

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Well, it's also a tiny percentage of the population. I don't think it's representative of the overall population. I just don't think it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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Exactly. That's my point. So... Here's my question.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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There's a lot of crooked stuff, and I wanted to talk about that too because one of the things that people talk about with you is the denial of the results. And I think J.D. Vance did a brilliant job the other day when he was being interviewed and they asked him, did Trump lose the 2020 election?

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And he turned it around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media? And was that a concerted effort?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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I think he's a brilliant guy, and I think his ability to talk like a normal human being. You did my friend Theo Vaughn's podcast. Right. And he just did it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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He did great. He just talks like a normal human being.

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No, no. He was a nice guy. Once they shot you, I was like, he's got to come in here. It's all about timing. It's all about the timing. Timing's good. I think timing's perfect. Do you even have a scar on your ear? You got anything on there? I do. I do. What did we say?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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Oh, it's a tiny little mark.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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He's great. He's a fantastic fighter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah, he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the best mixed martial artists.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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He's fighting in Madison Square Garden in November.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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One of the things that was fascinating also was the denial of the election results is a pretty common thing. Hillary Clinton famously denied that she called you an illegitimate president and she said that Russia put you in place.

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Yes.

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Yes. And it was a thing that was pretty common for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections. There's been many of them. The Bush administration, the dangling chads, all that stuff.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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My point is this idea of election fraud is a forbidden topic, and you get labeled an election denier. It's like being labeled an anti-vaxxer if you question some of the health consequences that people have had from the COVID-19 shots. Oh, my God, you're an anti-vaxxer. If you say, and what I say publicly, and I've said this a lot, It's not 0%.

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So if you ask me, what is the amount of election fraud in this country? Is it 0%? No one thinks it's 0%. I've never met one person, not a super liberal, progressive, far left person or a right wing conservative. Not one person thinks it's 0%. They think when you have human beings and also you have a lot of weirdness that was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly with mail-in ballots.

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And there's the rhetoric is also that you're Hitler and that in order to stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it was.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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Yeah. And this is I mean, you're hearing this now. Kamala compared you to said your love of Hitler yesterday.

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they were in their 70s and their 80s but i think you should take cognitive tests i think everybody they say it's unconstitutional but i think that's ridiculous i think kamala should have a test because there's something missing there's something wrong with her well i think it's pressure i think the pressure and the scrutiny you've been a celebrity for a long time and you understand what this is like but for someone who's in her late 40s who becomes the vice president who runs for president becomes the vice president

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and then all of a sudden the weight of the world is on your shoulders and there's all these people paying attention. A lot of people clam up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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How would you have stopped it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Well, not only that, we left billions of dollars worth of equipment and military vehicles that they use for parades now.

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The Taliban parade where they've got tanks rolling down the streets and Blackhawks flying is the craziest thing I've ever seen.

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What would you have done differently?

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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. All right, we're rolling. Good to see you, sir. Thanks, Joe. Here we go. One of the things I wanted to talk to you about, I wanted to play this, but we decided we shouldn't play it because it could get copyright strike and we don't want to get the episode. We don't want anybody to have any sort of a way to get it down.

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This is because it's too dangerous? Yeah, too dangerous, because they see the light up in the air.

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We're seeing the consequences of it in San Antonio. They've taken over apartment buildings in Aurora, Colorado. They've taken over apartment buildings. These Venezuelan gangs.

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What do you think the strategy is? You know, one of the things that they've said is that you stopped a bill from being passed. But didn't that bill also include amnesty for the people that are already here?

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But we should just tell people what the strategy is. So one of the things that's been very clear is that they've moved a large percentage of these migrants that are coming across the border illegally. They've moved them to swing states. Like this is what's going on with Springfield, Ohio, right?

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Right, but also it's obviously not just her. There's a strategy that's involved in letting these people in.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

6806.815

Well, she's in charge of the border, but they also utilize that app. the app that used to be used. It used to be used, I think, essentially, wasn't it for shipping? Wasn't it when people were in this country?

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Love that dude.

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He's probably the reason why you're here.

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Maybe he's one of the big ones.

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The audience was cheering. And then you actually started winning in the polls and then the machine started working towards you. But there's probably no one in history that I've ever seen that's been attacked the way you've been attacked and the way they've done it so coordinated and systematically.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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Yeah, I would still be doing it for sure. Yeah.

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It's hard to know. I think one of the things that works for this show, I guess, is that I'm involved in so many different things. You know, stand-up comedy, UFC, and all the interests that I have that lead to the podcast.

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I love it. Yeah.

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They didn't pay me anything for the first like 13 shows. I did it for free because they were hemorrhaging money. And I became friends with Dana. And my position was, you're going to give me the best seat in the house. I get to sit cage side for the fights. I'll do it. And I wanted to help. I was like, I think these are the guys that we had always hoped for.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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In the early days of the sport, I started working for the company in 1997. I was the – before the UFC was purchased by Zufa, which Dana worked for. Oh, wow, wow. So I was a part of the previous owners. And I only did it for a couple of years. It was just too much and I was losing money. And it was banned from cable because of Budweiser and John McCain. And you could only get it on direct TV.

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And he loves you for that. And he never forgot it. He loves you for that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7104.36

A perfect guy to be at the helm of something so controversial as the UFC.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7109.084

Well, now it's huge. Yeah. Well, this was always the thing that I would hope that it would be. I always knew that it was unbelievably entertaining, but I just didn't know if maybe I was crazy. Maybe I loved it because I've had this long history of being involved in martial arts and maybe like other people who just think it's too violent. But can boxing make it? Yeah.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

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I think, well, you know, Dana is working with the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They're going to start promoting boxing now. And with Dana at the helm of it, I think boxing could return because the thing is they want to make fights.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7147.282

that other people maybe you know promoters don't want to make because they want to protect their fighter controversial fights where you know it's dangerous like you don't know this guy could lose and so the saudis they're smart they just offer a tremendous amount of money and they're putting together fighter fights that no one else can put together they're doing that in boxing if dana's involved he'll probably make it good you know the amazing thing though the the infighting

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7180.98

Yes. And there's also no other options to preserve yourself, to protect yourself. So if you get hit in a UFC fight, you can clinch. You can try to take the fight to the ground.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7189.984

You don't get allowed to get knocked down and then get back up. When you get knocked down, you're concussed. And generally, you know, if a guy's really hurt, they can be finished on the ground and the fight's over. If it's boxing, you have 10 seconds to get up. You get up, your head kind of clears, but you're still in real bad trouble.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7207.776

And then you can kind of run away and survive until the bell rings. There are only three-minute rounds. And then you start again. So you're getting repeated punishment to the head.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7216.241

And then there's also the issue of guys weight cutting, which is a problem with the UFC as well. But weight cutting and boxing has led to, if you look at deaths in boxing, there's very few of them in the heavyweight division.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7226.989

Most of the deaths in boxing are the lighter weight divisions because when guys dehydrate themselves to lose weight, to make weight, their brain is the last thing that gets rehydrated. Like it's very difficult to completely rehydrate your brain quickly. And you only have 24 hours between the weigh-in and the fight. And it used to be the weigh-ins were the day of the fight.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

7247.204

Like when Boom Boom Mancini had a fight with Ducku Kim and killed him in the ring, which is one of the last ones on television that we've seen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7254.73

That was a crazy event for people and heartbreaking. And it led to a bunch of different changes. One of them is day before weigh-ins to allow people to rehydrate better. And the other one is they dropped it from 15 rounds down to 12.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7272.886

They were unbelievable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7274.608

Yeah, you go back to the golden age.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7278.192

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7282.417

Those last three rounds were crazy. That was brutal. I mean, it's such a war of attrition. You know, a lot of people think even like a five-round UFC fight. The UFC is five-minute rounds. It's so much energy you're burning out. And those last couple of rounds, those five-round fights, the fourth and the fifth round, unbelievably brutal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7306.852

There's a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of all time. John Jones, most people would say is the greatest of all time, never lost. There's certainly a really good argument for that. There's another argument for George St. Pierre. I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime, Anderson Silva in his prime, Mighty Mouse. People forget about Mighty Mouse because, unfortunately, he's a smaller guy.

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#2219 - Donald Trump

7331.769

He's 125 pounds, flyweight champion. He's one of the greatest expressions of mixed martial arts I've ever seen. I think to this day. And Khabib? Khabib is fantastic. But if you looked at accomplishments in terms of championship fights, Khabib retired 29-0, but he didn't have as many world championship fights.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7349.204

He might have lost to Glace and T-Bow. He might have lost to him. Around. He might have lost around. And that was a controversial fight where people think that Glace and T-Bow could have even got the decision in that fight. I'd have to go back and watch it again to make a decision. They're great athletes. Oh, the best athletes in the world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7365.233

And the most dangerous sport in terms of like... I always call it high-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7374.578

That's what fighting is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7379.94

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7387.242

He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight. And beat Evander Holyfield as a heavyweight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7392.664

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7398.206

George St. Pierre.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7403.149

No, James Toney didn't fight George St. Pierre.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7406.573

Yeah, Randy Couture fought James Toney. Was it Randy Couture? But that was like an easy fight. That was a very easy fight. Randy Couture just took him down and strangled him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7420.089

Yeah, he ankle-picked him, took him down, mounted him, strangled him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7426.814

I think James just wanted to make some money in that fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7441.306

Yeah, it was Couture. George never fought a boxer in an MMA fight. If he did, he would kill them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7447.811

Yes, unquestionably. That's the argument. There's like a handful of guys you can make the argument is the greatest of all time. People forget about Anderson Silva. In his prime, he was unstoppable. But that's the thing is. And then there's Fedor Emelianenko who fought in pride. In his prime, he was unstoppable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7465.502

Oh, we've got so many now. Alex Pereira. There's an argument that he's the top pound-for-pound fighter in the world right now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7471.765

He's unbelievable. But it's like fighters can only compete at that level for so many years. And so my opinion, you have to judge them at their very peak. You can't judge them when they're hanging on and still fighting. You can't judge them when they're coming up. You've got to judge them in that championship peak.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7488.092

In that championship peak, there's a handful of guys that you would consider at the very top.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7505.649

Yes, it's unfortunate, but the thing is that same belief in themselves that lets them become a champion makes them think that they can do it long past the time that they actually can.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7520.296

He got knocked out by Chris Weidman. He was kind of clowning in that fight famously and Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked him out. And then they fought a second time and he broke his leg on Chris Weidman.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7531.341

And after that fight, he was kind of never the same because that leg break injury, which Conor McGregor had, there's quite a few fighters, Weidman actually wound up having the same injury, ironically. There's only been like four of those.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

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Never the same. Well, you can. Weidman is still kicking with that leg. You can. But psychologically, when you throw a kick and your leg snaps in half and you're in agony for a year, right? You have to get surgery. You have to get bolts and plates to keep your leg together. And then it takes forever for it to heal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7572.621

More than you think. Yeah, but your shin gets very numb after a while. And guys that are really good kickers, they're kicking the thigh and they're kicking the calf. They're kicking soft areas. and they're slamming this hard, numb shin. Their shin gets all these micro-fractures all over the shin, and it calcifies. These guys can kick baseball bats.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7593.297

You ever seen them break baseball bats with their shins? It's crazy. Some guys can do two baseball bats. Someone will hold the baseball bat, and they'll just kick right through them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7603.242

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7610.766

Well, it has to be authentic. I mean, the only reason why I do MMA commentary is because I'm very interested in it, for real. I don't have to manufacture it. I'm very interested.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7636.791

Yes, it was pretty nasty. But no, I'm very used to it. I just wanted him to be able to express himself.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7642.939

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7644.501

So back to you and back to what what are you? And first of all, I love this idea of you teaming up with Robert Kennedy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7652.731

And I love this Make America Healthy Again idea because there are chemicals and ingredients in our food that are illegal in other countries because they've been shown to be toxic. There's pesticides and herbicides and there's a lot of shit that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary. And there's a lot of health consequences that people are suffering from a lot of these things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7687.125

I was actually talking to RFK today, and he told me that more than 70% of young men are ineligible for the military because of their health.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7703.113

So here's the life expectancy versus health expenditure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7708.035

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7709.316

USA.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7711.677

He's very good. He's the best.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7716.479

And that's our food. That's our diet. That's sedentary lifestyle. That's our diet. That's the chemicals we ingest. That's what that is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7728.004

I love the fact that you guys teamed up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7730.185

And are you guys completely committed to have him a part of your administration?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7753.317

I understand. But listen, there's plenty of good work that could be done if you focus on health. Here's the one that my all-time favorite, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7762.96

Do you have anyone that is pressuring you to not work with him? Have there been people that are reaching? To not work with who? RFK Jr. Yes. Yes, I would imagine. Because financially, he could put a dent.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7822.352

Well, certainly if there have been. It doesn't affect me. Some pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed that have negative consequences that these people have been profiting off of. And then you have a guy like RFK Jr. who spends an enormous amount of time highlighting those things. You could say how they've been very reluctant to have you support him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7874.038

Is it vaccine-derived polio? Because, you know, there's a strain of polio that comes directly from the vaccine because, unfortunately, sometimes when you vaccinate people for polio, you actually give them polio.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7883.845

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7895.189

There's two things that people point to when they point to the dangers of the pharmaceutical drug industry. One thing is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television. We're only one of two countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV. The other one's New Zealand. But they're more restrictive than we are.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7962.76

Well, I know you're aware of Cali and casein amines, right? Yes. Well, one of the things that they pointed out, and this is a very important thing for people to understand, is what a lot of these drugs do is they act to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor metabolic health.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

7980.802

But most of these problems that these people are suffering from wouldn't exist if we put an emphasis on metabolic health. If people got healthier, they started eating nutritious food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these problems that people are having would go away. And the problem with that from the pharmaceutical drug standpoint is they wouldn't be able to sell drugs to these people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8001.48

And this is a fear that a lot of people have.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8008.066

Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult to scale to a point where you got a jack in the box on every corner. If everybody wants food and we have food deserts and we have places like Los Angeles where no one's growing anything and everything has to be shipped in, it's very difficult to feed that many people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8024.517

We've created this incredible society where we have these enormous cities, but it's very difficult to get food to these people. And then For a lot of these people in low-income areas, the only food that's available is cheap, unhealthy food. And we could fix that. If we could send $175 billion to Ukraine, we could do something to fix a lot of the health problems that the United States has.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8048.011

And I think it would help us as a nation overall. If you just put it out there that, hey, as a nation, we're going to make a concerted effort to get people healthier. Just put it out there and people start making better choices.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8086.999

Some people are just way more robust. But you do play golf a lot, and that is exercise.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8134.389

Golf's exciting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8155.915

Competition, concentration, focus.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8159.335

And it's also a thing, I think, that cleans your mind. Because when you're looking at a shot, that's all you can think of when you're executing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8191.382

Didn't you play right after you got shot?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8217.541

But wasn't that like a couple of days after you got shot? I don't know. I know I haven't. That was one of the funniest things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8236.421

So I've gone now- What's the biggest deal in the free world?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8242.446

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8286.859

And the thing is- Also, it's the home stretch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8428.396

You'd get a lot of positive press. I would get a lot of positive press. No, it's a creepy, corrupt business. And the media, to a large extent, acts as a propaganda arm for the Democratic Party.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8439.28

Yeah, it's bizarre to watch. And most young people, I think, are aware of it. I think most boomers still, unfortunately, read the newspapers and believe in CNN.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8457.248

It's the Internet. It's because the Internet is giving people information that they're not getting from anywhere else. And they like the very fine people hoax, the Russiagate hoax, all these different things they've done. They tried to pin on you. That's like it's a clear distortion of what you actually said.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8485.686

He said, if you don't win, it's going to be a bloodbath.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8490.329

But that's the problem with propagandists because they take things out of context. And ultimately what they do is they diminish their own credibility because people don't want to listen to them anymore because they see that they've done that and they recognize what's going on and they feel insulted. Their intelligence is getting insulted. Well, look at the ratings.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8530.126

It's a different world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8533.047

Congratulations.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8542.035

TikTok's a wild application.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8553.665

I think young people are rejecting a lot of this woke bullshit. Young people are tired of being yelled at and scolded. They're tired of these people that they think are mentally ill telling them what the moral standards of society should be today. And people are upset.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8576.693

They're like, you want to be a rebel? You want to be punk rock? You want to like buck the system? You're a conservative now. That's how crazy. And then the liberals are now pro- They're pro-silencing criticism. They're pro-censorship online. They're talking about regulating free speech and regulating the First Amendment. It's bananas to watch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8633.634

Well, not only that, but they're now weaponizing it by saying that that's what you're going to do once you get in office.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8665.346

I respected that you didn't because what you said was it would be bad for the country.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8773.071

I bet that's right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8784.8

Sounds terrible because it's associating her with those charges.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8788.883

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8793.307

Because he wanted attention.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8795.068

So I want to talk about 2020 because you said over and over again that you were robbed in 2020.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8802.151

How do you think you were robbed? Everybody always cuts you off.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8819.978

Okay, but give me some examples of how.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8832.382

What things?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

885.344

I really don't know who you're talking about.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8870.163

Are you going to present this ever? Like, do you think... Let me just give you one more before.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8887.973

51 former intelligence agents, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8951.974

But just in terms of narrative, so there's two things, right? There's the Russia hoax. There's the collusion with Russia that was never proven, right? That's one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8961.382

But they talked about it on television.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8965.647

But not only that, but it was a constant narrative on television. Sure. That's a constant narrative that gets into people's minds, especially low information people that just watch the news.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8974.278

That you're in collusion with Russia. So that's one. So that changes the narrative. And then you have the 51 former intelligence agents that work with the original Twitter and get them to remove links. You can't share it on DMs. You cannot share that story. They swept that story because they said it was Russian disinformation even though they knew it was not. 100%.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

8994.886

So that's two examples that are real examples. Now, anyone who considers himself a legitimate, objective observer of American politics, if you really want the best person to win, you would want people to not lie. And the only reason why they got away with this lie was because they continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9018.539

They kept saying you're going to be a dictator, ignoring the fact that you weren't a dictator for the four years where you were actually the president.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9061.69

She was supposed to do it and she might still do it. And I hope she does. She's not going to do it. I will talk to her like a human being. I would try to have a conversation with her.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9077.638

We'd have a fine conversation. I think I'd be able to talk to her. I wouldn't try to interview her. I'd just try to have a conversation with her and hopefully get to know her as a human being. That was my goal, having her on, trying to get her to express herself just as a human being. I don't think these formats are good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9094.664

First of all, I hate the idea of the presidential debates because I hate the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

91.727

And when you see those same people in the past, very favorable to you, like Oprah, when you were on Oprah's show, she was encouraging you to be president.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9103.368

Right. But the way they do the debates I think is the wrong way to do it. I think they should have a conversation. I think you and Kamala, you sit across the table with no one in the room but the two of you. Of course you're not going to shout at each other. Of course you're not going to insult each other.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9120.157

Hopefully it wouldn't, but that would be the way to do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9123.499

To put cameras on you with no one interfering with checking whether or not it's factual, especially when it's biased because they checked you all those times and they didn't check her with clearly things that were inaccurate, right? So have two people just have a conversation with you without a time constraint. And also this idea they cut off the microphone. No crowd.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9147.732

No crowd. Crazy, too, because you're good at working a crowd.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9170.645

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9221.636

Right. That's what they thought was going to happen. Well, they tried to say that with you and Kamala as well. They tried to say that you didn't want to debate her as well.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9267.734

The Republican primaries.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9307.908

No, she had like 10 other – Yeah, well, Megan said you said it to other people and you admitted you did. But it was funny. It was a comedic timing moment.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9328.374

It's comedic timing, and that's the reason why to have a debate in front of a large audience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9336.117

That was great. Very funny. Very funny stuff. The Tim Walz stuff was very funny. Tim Walz, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9342.779

That's a crazy one. She said that she had picked him, and this is one of the questions I want to ask her, when she was sleep deprived. She said she was suffering from sleep deprivation when she picked him, which is just like...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9374.19

She shouldn't have picked that guy. That guy's a disaster. The lying about Tiananmen Square. Everything. Yeah, the military record, assistant coach versus head coach.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9455.716

Is that proven that she never worked at McDonald's? 100%.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9521.584

Well, some people are buying it because they want to buy it, because it's blue no matter who. There's a certain percentage of our population that's going to vote Democrat no matter what.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9529.949

They're pressured. Their community, their ideology, left is good, right is evil.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9574.014

I want to ask you this. Why do you think they're doing that? Do you think they're trying to buy votes? Do you think they just want cheap labor? What's the idea?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9593.713

And they're trying to give people amnesty.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9600.158

And if you think about the amount of money that they've given them when they've come here, the food stamps, the benefits that even our poor people aren't getting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9630.988

They investigated him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9642.461

The 2020 elections, you say you have all this evidence that it was rigged. Why haven't you put this evidence in a consumable form?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9684.275

Let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities for elections and election fraud. One of them is mail-in ballots. The other one is if someone can break into voting machines, if someone can hack voting machines. Those are two huge ones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9716.716

While he's doing Starlink, while he's doing Tesla, while he owns Twitter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9725.521

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9769.74

Do you think that's by design?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9774.502

You're allowed to have an opinion. Let's say you win. in November, what can be done to mitigate these problems? What could be done at the level that the president has power?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9866.73

And this is – it ticked up in a big way after COVID. It used to be like soldiers serving overseas.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9872.875

Yeah. Well, they used COVID to certainly push this mail-in ballot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9879.48

But here's another one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9909.648

That certainly is a problem. Mail-in ballots are a problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9915.931

How about – Voter ID is the most bizarre argument that I've never seen anybody articulate in a way that's convincing why you don't need voter – Well, it doesn't make sense any other way. I've tried to strawman it, or I've tried to steelman it, rather. I've tried to, like, look at it from a position like, why would you not want people to have ID? And a lot of the ideas are just ridiculous.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9937.944

You need an ID to get a driver's license.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9961.576

Now, what could be a charitable reason why anybody would want that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9965.278

But that would be the only thing that makes sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2219 - Donald Trump

9968.939

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1048.882

Depending upon the amount of cycles that you run the PCR, I mean, you could detect, like, the most minute amount that is not indicative of the person being infected. Right. And that person will have a false positive. And there's false positives through the fucking roof.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1065.313

Yeah. The whole thing made no sense. And it was just designed to push a vaccine that they profited off of massively. And I hope we learn. I hope we learn. I hope next time things roll around, people are a lot more hesitant to just jump in and believe this shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1093.904

Well, I think this pandemic and the response and the mandates and all that shit, it ruined people's faith in First of all, the mainstream media. I think the mainstream media took the biggest hit out of anybody. Like, the trust in the television shows and the newspapers that are supposed to be delivering the truth is at an all-time low. Well, I hope you're right. Oh, I think I'm right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1121.191

I think it's pretty obvious. I mean, the ratings are down on every fucking show there is. Newspapers, no one wants to buy them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1132.375

I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. CNN is fucking no one's watching it anymore. MSNBC is a ghost town. No one's watching these shows because they're all just lying. They're still lying. They're lying constantly. And now, you know, now they're lying about the Department of Government Efficiency when before they were lying about pandemics and vaccines. It's just it's not really the news.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1156.56

You know, if it was the news, they wouldn't be paid for by the pharmaceutical drug companies. You can't have the fucking news sponsored by the people that you're supposed to be reporting on and then you never report on them. That's just crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1168.383

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1220.161

Well, I'm hoping people have learned. But it was a weird time, an educational time, though. It was a good experience for some people just to learn that, hey, there's sources that you cannot trust. And I think now the beautiful thing about someone like Elon buying –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1238.052

Twitter and turning it into X and having community notes is now you have a way of fact checking things where people use the community notes and they start posting studies in the community notes and saying, no, this story is not true. Here's why it's not true. Here's why it's provably not true. So this is the best way to handle misinformation. It's not leave it up to government censors.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1261.569

And that was where everybody was going in 2020. It was just fucking crazy to watch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1279.94

Yeah, yeah. When we found out that the government was actively contacting social media companies and having them remove things that were true because there was malinformation. Do you know that term? I haven't heard of it before. There's misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation. Malinformation is true but could have a detrimental effect on society.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1306.67

True information that can have a detrimental effect on society is mal-information that all should be censored. It's Orwell. It's right out of 1984. It's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1355.843

Nothing can stop you. I try to stay positive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1359.005

I mean, I'm affected like everybody else is. I was down during the pandemic. It bothered the shit out of me. But we came through it on the other end, and I think people have more resolve now. I think generally the general public has at least a good percentage of the general public has a healthy distrust now for bullshit. Certainly your listeners.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1378.917

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

140.464

yeah yeah it's the dirtiest aspect of human beings we'll find a way to profiteer off everything everything and anything even even if it's just and they'll prolong just things in order to make more profit

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1400.044

Well, fortunately, they're not American. It's not an American company. You know. Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1408.508

So they're like, eh, we're not buying it. Also, the show was big enough where they were like, why would we pull this thing off the air? Let's hang in there and see what happens. And it just kept getting bigger. And so they were realizing the people were basically on the side of free distribution of information and they didn't buy it. But there was two guys, Peter McCullough and Robert Malone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1433.05

Those are the ones. And then there was like some fucking... Oh, yeah, Peter McCullough. Boy, he took a lot of hits. He did. Big time. Most published doctor in human history in his particular field of study. I mean, he's well-respected, rock-solid, credentialed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1465.265

It was creepy. What was it like in Hollywood having your perspective, your healthy distrust of what was going on where everybody was sort of in lockstep with whatever the government propaganda was?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1553.121

Yeah, the strangest. And it didn't make any sense. And there was also this narrative that if you weren't vaccinated, the virus was going to hunt you down. They keep saying that. The virus will find you. If you're not vaccinated, the virus will hunt you down.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1649.818

But I think ultimately that's what's going to cost them the war. I think the lessons learned from that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1661.024

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We're going to find out.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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We'll see. You know, we'll see. We'll see what the resistance is.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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A lot of them are.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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People are paying attention now and they will get primaried. And I think they're aware of that. So I think there's a vulnerability for their entire career. If people find out that they weren't willing to do this in the face of overwhelming evidence.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1820.438

You know, like Bobby was just talking about the hepatitis vaccine, that they were saying that the hepatitis B vaccine, they were having a hard time selling it. And so they all of a sudden start saying, don't worry about it. We're going to prescribe it for children. And they put it on the vaccine schedule for children. And they did that just because they were having a hard time.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Because the only time you get hepatitis B is from dirty needles and risky sex. And people are like, I don't want that fucking thing. And so they're like, nobody wants to take it.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1854.706

Dirty sex or dirty needles. Do you know of any other ones? It's a sexually transmitted disease. It's transmitted through intravenous drug use.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Let's Google it. What is the cause of hepatitis B, Jamie? Yeah, that's how you get it. You don't get it as a fucking baby. So injecting babies with it, the only reason why they did that is to sell more hepatitis B vaccines. Yeah, if the mother has it. Unprotected sex with a defected person, mother to child, during childbirth, breastfeeding if the mother's infected. Yeah.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1902.535

I guess dirty needles.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1920.232

That's what it's all about. That's all the woes and ills of our society. It's people emphasizing profit over humanity. That's really what it is.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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yeah that's really what it is yeah i agree yeah and it's also it's like it's this disgustingly short-sighted approach because you don't live that long to live your life just profiteering off of the expense of other people suffering is so crazy when you got 80 years of your lucky

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1952.662

You got 80 summers, 80 summers, 80 spins around the sun, and you're going to fucking sell people out for some money that you're never going to have enough of anyway. All those cocksuckers, they all want more. It never ends. They all want a bigger yacht. They all wanted this. They all wanted that. There was always something.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

1972.614

It never ends, and somehow or another we let them get away with it because we're profiting as well.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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I guess it never does end in a way. Well, if that's what your game is, right? So if your game is just numbers, you're never going to be satisfied. Yeah. If your game is just numbers, you're always going to look at the other people. Like my friend Brian has a friend that has $3 billion, and he says he hangs out with his billionaire friends and he feels poor because they have $30 billion.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2018.029

Like, you know, crazy. Imagine having $3 billion and feeling poor. But I can kind of understand the thought.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2036.983

How does he even buy our country? How do you even affect elections with $3 billion? That's nothing. Yeah. That's weird. Local election. Well, I mean, this is just a symptom of the moral decay of our society, that we don't have a moral and ethical framework. We don't have a moral and ethical structure that we operate under.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2062.66

And too many people are just motivated by my money instead of humanity, instead of looking at people as like a community. We're all a community of people, and You can still profit and you can still make money. But like making more money at the expense of people's lives and suffering should be the most abhorrent thing that we could possibly imagine, especially if you're already wealthy.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2086.03

That should be absolutely disgusting to us and that it's condoned and just like accepted. And, you know, you shrug your shoulders. That's what people do.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2207.993

Yeah. But, you know, come on. It's crazy that it all really boils down to that. It really boils down to a lot of his people profiting, you know.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2251.01

I remember when it was completely, totally illegal, and then you had to have a medical card. Right. And you just say you had a headache. That's all you have to say. You got back pain. You got a headache. You can get a subscription or prescription rather. And then it became legal. But just in 2016. It's not here. No.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2283.424

Well, the whole country should be legal.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2285.285

yeah the idea that america the land of the free criminalizes the use of a plant that's never killed anybody is crazy it's legislating morality and it's an odd morality anyway because most people believe you should be able to smoke if you want not only that it's a morality that's based off about profiteering from the 1930s so it's propaganda from the 1930s that's still working today 90 years later which is really crazy yeah that's the craziest part of it

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

230.868

I always wondered about the Vietnam War, how much of it was about heroin.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2315.106

And that really the only reason why it picked up steam is because they needed to put people to work after they had stopped banning alcohol. So prohibition ended. Everybody's like, what do we do now? Well, let's fucking go after marijuana. And then you get Harry Anslinger and William Randolph Hearst. They're all profiting from it.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2330.692

And they all fucking make the marijuana movies like Reeve for Madness. And everyone's going to go crazy. And to this day, there's a lot of people who believe that. They think it makes you lazy. It makes you stupid. Yeah.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

238.345

Three days before 1968 presidential election, President Johnson contacted Senate Majority Leader Everett M. Dirksen to inform him the White House had received hard evidence from the Federal Bureau of Investigation that the campaign of Republican presidential candidate Richard M. Dick Nixon was interfering with Johnson's effort to start peace talks to end the Vietnam War.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2397.367

Outside the driving world, that's really the end of it.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2420.784

Well, then we go back to another thing, profiteering. Right. Because we have private prisons, which is crazy, where you're essentially taking human beings and you're using them as batteries to generate money. That's really what you're doing. The more people you get in there, the more profit you're pulling out of it, which is just crazy.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2438.869

So then you have prison guard unions that are lobbying to keep laws on the books. Victimless crimes on the books, like marijuana.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2496.894

Yeah.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2499.717

Slave labor for insanely small amount of money. And they keep them locked up and they produce things.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2512.911

No, I didn't see it.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2515.413

I mean, I'm aware of that's that's a lot of where the Jim Crow laws came from when they abolished slavery. What they did was just arrest people for basically anything and put them to work. I mean, that was right. That was the modus operandi.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2535.512

It all goes the same thing. Prophet. And ironically, a lot of this lack of compassion could be solved with psychedelics. A lot of it. A lot of it. Where people expand their consciousness, understand that what they're doing is morally reprehensible. And even though you can sort of justify it because it's legal. It's disgusting. And we should change those laws.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2557.685

Those laws don't make any sense because it's written on paper. It doesn't mean it's just. It doesn't mean it makes sense for logical, rational people.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2587.316

He's an expert on ancient history, like a kind of a renegade historian. He's got a sort of alternative version of ancient society, ancient civilizations. But the point is – He has a podcast? He's got a – two seasons of a series called Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix. It's really amazing.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

260.103

In this call, Johnson referred to contacts between Nixon's campaign and South Vietnamese President Nguyen Van Thiet, I don't know how to say his name, urged that they thwart any such negotiations.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2614.626

Basically, his field of study is the evidence that human beings and human civilization has gone through a reset, and that somewhere around 12,000 years ago, and this is all supported by this theory called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, where they found evidence that the Earth was bombarded by comets

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2636.602

at uh more than two different times in history that probably reset civilization and that this is probably why you see like like ancient structures that people can't explain and that you know these stone buildings that have incredibly complex geometry and precision building oh yeah from thousands like at the world fair in chicago like they had all those buildings

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2662.158

No, that's a little different. I'm talking about like ancient Egypt.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2666.381

I'm talking about like Turkey. I'm talking about like Gobekli Tepe and these ancient structures they found that are absolutely 11,000 plus years old where people are supposed to be just hunter and gatherers. And that we had thought up until the last 40 or 50 years that society emerged around 6,000 years ago.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Mesopotamia what he believes is that that is a reemergence of society and that society had already reached a very high level of sophistication around 12,000 years ago and that something happened some sort of gigantic cataclysm and reset things but Graham is also an enthusiast of ayahuasca and the power of psychedelic medicine and he has often said that

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2709.557

To run governments, it should be mandatory that you have psychedelic sessions. Right. And you should probably do it publicly. Publicly. So you really find out. You know? I mean, imagine getting Lindsey Graham fucked up on mushrooms and then filming him.

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It would be amazing.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2754.9

Yes. Yeah. Yeah, they encourage compassion. They encourage kindness and love. And we need a lot more of that in this world. And that's the problem with being so politically and ideologically divided. It's so easy because people are so tribal. It's so easy to hate the other tribe, the other people are the enemy.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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And so we've got this bizarre thing where we're supposed to be a community, but we're a two-sided community. And one side hates the other side. And whoever is in power, those people are the problem.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2852.127

Well, that's like the importance of charisma, right? Because a person isn't exactly who they are. They're who they are when they interact with you. And however you interact with them will affect the way they interact with you. It's a two-way street, most sort of interactions.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Inevitably.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2890.055

And common ground. And I think we have – that's the problem with the media and with political ideologies is that there's no currency in common ground. The currency is all in division. That's where you can gain the most momentum, get the most people on your side. You have to say the other people are the enemy. Common ground is much more common. Most people agree. Most people want to be safe.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2916.864

They want to be healthy. They want to be happy. They want to have friends. They want to have a good time. They want to have a nice family. They want to be loved. They want to have love. That's most people. And they think that the other people are trying to prevent that.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2928.496

Instead of just accentuating those important factors and saying we should all concentrate on that, then we should all look at things that prevent that. What are the things that prevent happiness and love and health? Let's all work collectively together to eliminate those aspects of our society. Yeah. The problem is you don't make a lot of profit doing that. The profit is in the division.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2955.896

The media does push the divide for sure. The media is bullshit.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2961.141

They're dying like AM radio. They're not going to make it. They're not going to make it. The internet is more compelling and independent journalism is more accurate. And it's going to be more and more.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2980.755

Yes, everything's subjective. It's definitely subjective. But listen, I think there are very good people that work in journalism. I think there are very good people that work at the New York Times, the Washington Post, and even in CNN. I know them. I know people that work at CNN, and I like them. I know people that work at the New York Times, and I like them very much.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

2998.323

The problem is the institution. And the institution is based on profit. And where do you get your money? Well, you get a lot of your money from pharmaceutical drug companies, from NGOs. There's funding from all these different political groups. And that's the problem. The problem is enormous entities that need incredible amounts of capital in order to stay relevant.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3022.215

And in doing so, what's crazy is if you're in the information business, well, you can't be accurate. You cannot be accurate about the distribution of information if your profits are based on you pushing a bullshit narrative because those are the people that are supporting you. So therefore, they're not going to make it. It's like you see the writing on the wall. It's like this is not tenable.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3043.372

You're not going to be able to continue this. You're going to either have to adjust course or you're going to be swallowed. And that's what people – like people realize that now with the internet. When you got people like Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger and Glenn Greenwald, respected journalists who are now on the outside.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3062.692

And so now they've amassed this huge following on the outside because, you know, if you go to Glenn Greenwald, he's going to tell you what's actually going on. Why are we invading this? Why are we bombing this country? What is going on? And he'll tell you it all goes back to 2013 when this was passed and this is what happened and they tried to do this and that.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3083.081

This is what we're trying to do because there's oil here or there's minerals there. And you're like, oh, fuck. And so but most people don't have the time to do that kind of a deep dive. So you turn on CNN and CNN is safe and effective. Have you gotten your knife booster? Get your knife booster. And the fucking anchors are blacking out on TV. And it's like, wow. They're in a trap.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3106.564

They're in a trap. First of all, they're in a trap because of the actual format of the show sucks. Format of television shows suck. You have three talking heads yelling at each other five minutes before a commercial. Everyone's trying to get a sound bite that goes viral. And then you cut to a commercial about antidepressants. And then you come back.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3127.367

You come back and there's a flood and there's fucking Detroit's frozen. Do you see that shit in Detroit? They had a flood and then it froze. And so you got cars like up to the fucking windshield, frozen solid in the streets and car alarms going off.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3141.835

Yeah, it happened yesterday. There was some sort of a water main line broke, probably because of the cold. And then the streets flooded. And then the streets, when they flooded, then they froze. And so all these cars, like literally up to the windshield, stuck. See if you can find it. It's crazy to look at. Like, look at this. Entire streets flooded.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3163.601

And if you watch a video of it, all the car alarms are going off. So the car alarms are going off, and all the cars are frozen. Give me some... Well, you can hear it if you play the microphone. Yeah, put your headphones on. Oh, that is wild, man. So everybody's fucking car alarm's going off because the car's getting crunched. So the cars are getting disturbed. So they're getting crunched.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3187.102

The cars think that people are breaking into them. Minus 70 degrees. As if Detroit doesn't have enough fucking problems. Oh, my God.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Artists and artisans and companies that are like proud, like Shinola. Yeah, that's my buddy, Tom Katsotis.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3223.288

No, I don't, but I bought their stuff.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3234.037

They make awesome stuff. They make great watches, great stuff, but made in Detroit, like proudly.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3266.952

yeah well i know last time i was in detroit i did the fox theater and i saw a lot of that too a lot of like small shops and cool places and you know because real estate's cheap so people are like moving in and artists are doing things and it's fun it's like a little bit of a revival after they got fucked by the auto industry well yeah for sure more profiteering right sent all the fucking jobs to other countries because you can get people to work for slave labor

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3299.11

Yeah. I think that's a small, isolated area, but still pretty fucked.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3318.814

I didn't know you lived here.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3321.714

Oh, nice. Dripping Springs is great. I love it out there. That's a nice place. That's a nice area.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3333.681

Let's do it.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3339.005

No, I love you, man.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3341.046

I'll hang out with you anytime.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3342.968

Call me at 2 o'clock in the morning. We'll meet you somewhere. I don't give a fuck. Okay, perfect. I'll bring you down to my comedy club.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3350.494

What's it called? Comedy Mothership. Yeah, I'd like to do that. It's fun. It's a great place. My buddy Jimmy Dore is there this weekend, who's also great, and he's filming his comedy special there this weekend. Oh, really? Yeah, Jimmy Dore is amazing. He is another guy that's risen as an independent journalist.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3367.095

He's a comedian, and he started his show basically just making fun of political things, and then during the pandemic got vaccine injured and really got kind of red-pilled and kind of became like the voice of truth and reason. And another guy has been completely outcast by supposedly progressive people for just telling the truth, the inconvenient truth.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3408.401

Yeah, I think they got co-opted and I think it was on purpose. I think there was there was some very sophisticated psychological manipulation that was involved and a lot of money was being spent in order to push some very specific narratives. And they did a great job of it.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3426.266

They did a great job of it, but we're finding out because of the Department of Government Efficiency that most of this was funded by our own tax dollars, which is really fucking crazy. A lot of these NGOs that supported a lot of these crazy riots and all these different things that were happening in our cities was really supported by our own tax dollars.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3443.336

And it was just a subversion of public discourse. Instead of allowing people to figure out what's right and what's wrong, they pushed what they wanted you to say and anybody who deviated from that was canceled.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3457.365

And because of the fact that before Elon bought Twitter, the left had complete total control over the narrative because they owned all the social media sites and they were in lockstep with the government. So it was just a dark time for information but a few brave people braved the storm and one of them was Jimmy.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3556.538

It's always chatty gay guys. It's always a guy on a date with another guy. And he's like, I'll tell you what we're doing. It's like they just chat it up.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3630.923

Well, that was why you would get banned off of all these social media platforms if you even brought that up. It used to be if you brought that up on YouTube, you get pulled from YouTube. Now it's a fact. Now it's a fact. Now it's an undeniable fact. All the things, like you said about Robert Malone, all the things that he said are now fact. Everything. Every single one of them.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3652.242

The fact that the injection doesn't stay locally, that it infects various parts of your body in different ways. If it gets to your heart, it's very dangerous because your heart doesn't have the ability to heal, which is why you don't get heart cancer. So your heart just scars over and you get myocarditis. He started talking about all these different effects, and he personally was vaccine injured.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3670.754

So he's a guy who took it, almost had a fucking heart attack, was like, what is going on? His whole body freaked out. He was deadly sick, managed to get through it, then started speaking out against it, then started doing more research and finding out what was going on, and then that was the collective freakout.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3702.438

More people are discussing it now, but it's still – there's a lot of people that don't want to bring it up because they don't want the heat. They saw what happened to people that did bring it up, and they don't want that coming their way. It's still fresh in their memory, and they keep their mouth shut.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3733.622

Yeah. But crazy times are fun, too. Because people snap out of it. They pop through it. They come out on the other side and they go, what the fuck was going on? And then you have a reexamining of society. And I think that's happening right now. And I think that's a good thing. As long as people keep their cool and they don't go tribal. You can't go tribal. You can't go us versus them.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3758.689

They're the bad guys. All those people with blue hair, those fucking pieces of shit. No, they're sad, lost people. That's what it is. Sad, lost, angry people that think they have to lash out at the other for the problems that is really caused by gigantic corporations and the exchange of money.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

376.243

Yeah, of course it was true. It was too obvious. The hostages get released right after Reagan gets elected.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3785.697

It's always the money. And it's never enough. It's a weird thing about us. And again, I think... Part of the problem is this lack of methods to escape. And I don't mean escape reality. I mean to escape the fog, the fog of propaganda. And that's – I mean that's literally why all that stuff was made illegal in 1970. Richard Nixon was trying to stop the anti-war effort in the civil rights movement.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3814.883

That's why they turned the Schedule I, the sweeping Schedule I Prohibition Act of all psychedelic drugs. That's what that was about. It wasn't about protecting society. If it was, they would have got rid of OxyContin. They would have got rid of addictive painkillers and Vicodin, Percocets. They never got rid of any of that stuff.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

383.485

Yeah. Yeah. Ridiculous. It's kind of disgusting.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3836.759

Yeah.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3844.407

No, they're not great. They're not great for you. But I feel like you should be able to eat a Big Mac if you want to. Hey, you should be able to do anything if you want to. I wouldn't care if you shot up right now. But that's what I'm saying. Don't get rid of Big Macs. But don't eat them every day, you fucking idiot. It's like I say about Doritos. People are like, oh, we should get Doritos off.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3861.814

No. Doritos as they are are a perfect snack. They're delicious. But they're fucking terrible for you. Just like cigarettes. Just like whiskey. They're terrible for you. But in the moment, they're great. The key is... recover, and then don't do it every day. That's the key. The key to all things is moderation, all things.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

389.787

Yeah.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3907.971

Well, I thought I was going to turn you into a loser.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3910.953

I bought into all of it. I grew up with a lot of people that are drug problems and I wanted to succeed in life. And I was my biggest fear was being a loser, you know, just someone who just never got their shit together. And I was like, well, anything that gets in the way of being successful and being healthy and happy, avoid that.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3937.665

Oh, I don't know if you ever think – I guess I think that now.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

3947.13

Well, I definitely think – I'm very hypercritical, self-critical. So I battle against that because I think that's something that anybody who strives to be successful battles against. You always feel like you could do more.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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But there's a balance between doing more and being happy, enjoying yourself but also accomplishing things you want to do, feeling fulfilled, having worthwhile goals, things that you think are valuable not just to you but valuable to other people.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Yeah.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Yeah. But I don't think about it, honestly, because I think if you think about it, then you get lost. Then you get like, look how good I am. You can get really lost in success where you get intoxicated by that too. So I think you just got to kind of exist. You got to kind of exist and not feed your insecurities but also –

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

400.37

Far be it for me. Yeah, we don't need to. Hey, man, your movie's fucking great. I loved it. Oh, you saw it? I saw it Wednesday night. Yeah, it was great.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

4032.852

Yeah. I don't know. I stomp my ego pretty good. I do it with workouts. I do it with martial arts. I do it with cold plunging and saunas. I put myself through voluntary adversity. It's pretty fucking brutal. And that's my best way to achieve homeostasis. That's my best way to achieve a balance. I put myself through way more than life ever gives me. So that I'm always... You know, I get it.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

4062.594

You know, you're always vulnerable. You're always weak. You're always you're always late. There's always something. So as long as you confront that all the time, all the time and keep your mind healthy and balanced and have a healthy perspective. You know, there's a lot of like. new-agey sort of bullshit terms that unfortunately have been co-opted by silly people. But a lot of those, like...

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Really great. Nail biter.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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They're very important, like gratitude. Gratitude is a really important quality that people should have. Mindfulness is a really important quality that people should have. But these things are co-opted by goofy people that wear wooden beads and want you to join their cult. It's like they want you to think that they're special and they're particularly spiritual. And so unfortunately –

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

4118.286

Really good concepts are often tainted by silly people, you know, like love and God and a lot of the things that are really beneficial to us as a society. They get co-opted by goofy people. Like how many people have been turned off by religion by watching mega pastors in these huge churches flying around in private jets and driving in Rolls Royces like, oh, well, this is all bullshit, you know.

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Yeah, there's not a single cut to shit moment in that movie. You know, there's movies where you have to suspend disbelief and it takes you out of it. There's none of that in that movie. It's really good. It's really good. Very suspenseful. Very fulfilling. The end of it, you feel super entertained.

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Not necessarily. I'm not in favor of any restrictive religions. I'm not in favor of any religions that punish people that don't follow them. And I'm not in favor of any religions that force a very rigid structure on people that has to be adhered to or you're a sinner or cast out or – I –

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I think that most religion is based on human beings' very unique experiences that have provided enlightenment, and they're trying to express that enlightenment to other people. And I think the problem with religious stories are that people are full of shit and a lot of those stories suck. A lot of those stories are probably distorted by the hand of man.

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But I think I'm of the school of thought that a lot of the religious experiences that people talk about were probably inspired by psychedelic experiences. And, you know, there's a great book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John Marco Allegro. Do you know about that book? I've heard of it, but I never read it. Yeah, it's a great book.

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But it's very hard to follow because it's very unless you understand Aramaic, unless you understand the translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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Well, the John Marko Lego book, he was an ordained minister. But he was one of the people that was assigned to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls. And he did it over the course of I think it was about 14 years. And then he wrote this book because it was his belief. And he was a very straight-laced scholar. He wasn't a psychedelic enthusiast.

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But he believed that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. And he thinks that a lot of these stories, that their origins come from that.

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Yeah, and he believed that a lot of it was the Amanita muscaria mushroom, which is a very confusing mushroom because a lot of people have a hard time tripping on it. Terrence McKenna believed that the problem was that the psychedelic compounds in it varied regionally and genetically and that they weren't all the same and that a lot of these people that were having these experiences were not –

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It really depended upon where you get them from and how you got them and how you treated it and a lot of that information was lost. And also like there's certain religious ceremonies that involved very mysterious things like Soma, you know, Soma from the ancient Hindu texts. They don't know what was in there.

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They don't know what it was, but it seems like it was some sort of a psychedelic compound. Whether it was a blue lotus and psilocybin or a combination of many things, you know, like the Eleusinian mysteries where, you know, in ancient Greece, they believed that that was ergot, that ergot was mixed in with the wine ergot, which is a very similar experience to LSD. Oh. Yeah.

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There's a great book on that, too, if you've never read it. It's called The Immortality Key by a scholar named Brian Murorescu, who's a brilliant guy who's been on the podcast a couple times. But he's done a lot of really legitimate work on proving that these vessels, these wine containers – that they had from these ancient times. They found trace elements of ergot in these wine vessels.

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And they know that wine back then was not just fermented grapes. They would add a bunch of things to the wine. Little party places. Yeah. So these experiences that people would have, they would go to Ulysses. And I went there when I was in Greece a couple years ago. And it's an amazing place, man. When you're there, it feels weird.

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When you go to the place where they have these psychedelic rituals, the place... has a bizarre memory that you feel when you're there. Because you can literally walk on the grounds where they had these rituals. And you're there and you're like, whoa, this place feels wild. My kids were like, what's wrong? I'm like, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm weirded out by this place. I feel it.

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I feel a bizarre connection with this place. It feels alive. It was like it's humming or something. It was very weird. Very weird. I was touching the rocks and just trying to like feel like what's going on here. It's like you get thousands of years ago. These people were just tripping balls and inventing democracy right here at this very spot. It's literally the roots of democracy.

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Yeah. I mean, it is literally what we were talking about. Like, if you want something that accentuates compassion, and this sense of family and brotherhood and sisterhood that we're all together in this thing, what better than psychedelic drugs? And that's why they're illegal.

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It gets in the way of this us versus them narrative that is so prevalent in our goofy society that's detached from these sacred compounds.

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I know. Yeah. Well, it's weird because there's certain weed here that's legal. What is it, Delta 9? Is that the legal stuff or Delta 8? Oh, I know what you're talking about. It's weird. It's weird because it's like pretty much just weed.

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It's just a different version of the plant.

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Oh, yeah, it does. Really?

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I don't know what they're doing. I don't know how they're doing it, but somehow or another they're skirting around the rules and developing something that is basically the same.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's basically like a weed's twin sister that has different genetics. I don't know.

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Oh, well, that would suck.

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That's goofy. I mean, there's plenty of things to concentrate on. Why concentrate on that? It's just – it's a dumb rule. It's a dumb rule that's mostly enforced by people who don't know what the experience is. They have a distorted idea what the experience is and they think it's just going to make people losers.

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Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree. And I think we've got to get past that. I think there's just a lot of people that recognize that. What they did in the 1970s was very effective. They threw water on the entire psychedelic movement and the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement. And they did it by banning a lot of these compounds that were changed in the way people thought about life.

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And, you know, like the whole peace, love and hippie movement of the 1960s was all inspired by psychedelic drugs, all of it. And it was a revolutionary, complete change of society from 1950 to 1960. I mean, 10 years, things became, the music and culture became almost unrecognizable. It could change so radically. And I think it was terrifying to the powers that be.

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And unfortunately, the propaganda that they push, just like the propaganda that we saw during the COVID times and propaganda that you have whenever there's a war, that propaganda is sticky. That stuff sticks. It sticks around for a long time.

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And unless you have viable representations of opposing narratives that are really effective, it's very hard for people to change their perspective on things without a personal experience. And most of these people that are straight-laced, no-nonsense type folks, they don't want to smoke weed. What, am I going to ruin my brain?

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It's a great movie. It's very good. It's very fun. Like, it's exciting. And I hardly ever go to the movies anymore. But your people made me go see it in the movie theater. Oh, yeah? Yeah, so I had to actually go to a theater and see it. It was great, though.

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I've heard legitimate scientists say, I would never want to interfere with the way my brain works. Okay, do you drink coffee? Shut the fuck up. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Do you exercise?

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Do you eat good food? There's a lot of things that change the way your brain works. This is a dumb way to look.

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Well, that was one of the most fascinating things about COVID. When I was talking to Dr. Peter Hotez, who's an overweight guy who eats junk food, and he's telling me everybody's got to get vaccinated. I'm like, Are you healthy? Like are you healthy? Because you don't see – do you work out? Like do you eat well? Do you take vitamins? No, no, no, no. None of those things.

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But you think that like chemicals, that the only way that you're going to get healthy is from a laboratory and an injection. Yeah.

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That seems crazy.

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Yeah. I mean the problem was also any sort of – I mean this is – Dr. Birx is now admitting this when she's being questioned is that they stopped any early treatments that weren't the vaccine and that they probably shouldn't have done that and that a lot of people could have been saved because of that. And that's true.

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And that's something that people need to – that's one of the best aspects of Bobby's book. Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, is like understand like what pressures were put on these organizations to stifle and completely stop the prescription use of a bunch of different things, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin.

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Also, like the studies that were done on vitamin D deficiencies and how that impacted immune systems and just sunlight, exercise, diet. All those things play a critical factor in how well your immune system functions. The idea that the only way your immune system functions at its peak is you've got to stick a fucking metal pin filled with a solution that gets plunged into your tissue.

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That's the only way. It's the only way, Woody. Yeah. You've got to shove a fucking needle in your arm.

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That's the only directive. They didn't want a fat shame, so they never told anybody to lose weight, which is one of the major comorbidities that affected people negatively.

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It's weird, weird times. But again, I have hope.

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I'm a big fan. God damn, I've been watching you since Cheers.

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You'll get along. And even the subjects that you're supposed to avoid, why? Why are we avoiding them? Well, I agree. I'd like to talk about any subject.

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debate also i want to know why you think the way you think if you think totally different than me i want to sit down with you and i want to give you all the room in the world to say what you think i want to know how you came to those conclusions i want to know what your childhood was like i want to know like what what experiences have you had that led you to have these like concrete evaluations of the way society is that are so different than mine

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Yeah, we need that. You need to sit down with people that you don't agree with and find out. And oftentimes they fall apart. That's just the fascinating thing. Give enough room. Just keep talking to them. They fall apart. One of the weirdest conversations I had on this podcast was talking to Dr. Sanjay Gupta from CNN. They sent him over here to fucking straighten me out.

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And by the end of it, it was a very bizarre conversation. By the end of it, he was essentially agreeing with me.

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Well, he's smart, but he's also working for CNN and, you know, he's also a neurosurgeon. So he's, you know, he's a bright guy. He's just like captured by the system. And that's that's part of the problem. But there was a lot of things that didn't make any sense. Like one of the ones where he wanted me to get vaccinated after I'd recovered from COVID.

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Well, I'd recovered from COVID in three days. It wasn't hard at all. And that's when I got hit. That's when everybody came after me. It was because I was a bad example because I was healthy. And I was giving people bad information by telling them all the things that I took to get better, which is really weird. And then they focused on this one thing, which was ivermectin.

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I read a laundry list of stuff that I took, IV vitamins, NAD, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies. I talked about all the different stuff that my doctor put me on, and I was better in three days. And then what did CNN do? They turned my face yellow. They put a filter on the video to make me look sick, and they started talking about me taking horse paste, which is crazy.

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They said I was taking a veterinary medicine. Yeah.

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Billions. Billions of times human beings have taken ivermectin.

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Yeah. Well, you couldn't get it from Walgreens. They wouldn't prescribe it for you unless you had like some sort of a – Malaria or something. Yeah. You'd have to have – or some sort of a parasite. That's why they said it was a dewormer because it was anti-parasitic. But when I said it to Sanjay Gupta, I go, but yes, but it's also been shown to stop viral replication in vitro.

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I said, you know that, right? And you can see there's this look on his face like, oh, shit. Yeah. Because that's a fact. They've studied viral replication. You use ivermectin in petri dishes, it stops viral replication. It's a fact. There are studies on this. Also, it's like one of the most safe drugs known to man. It's like the safety profile is incredible.

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And this idea that like Rolling Stones printing articles that people are having overdoses from ivermectin and people can't get into the emergency room because of gunshot wounds. They even showed a photograph of a bunch of people outside of an emergency room. wearing winter coats in August because it was a photograph of people waiting in line to get a flu shot.

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It was a bullshit photograph that fucking Rolling Stone published. This is so wild to watch because it's not just propaganda. It's really shitty propaganda because there's not much truthful they can say that would go against this stuff. So they have to just say it's horse dewormer. You're a fool. You're taking horse dewormer. But what they didn't understand is at the time

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They didn't understand the media landscape. They thought they were still huge, but they didn't understand like an average video on my show was like 10 times bigger than their show. It's just we weren't talking about it. We weren't saying it. So they still thought they were CNN. They were going to crush this rebellion against this one specific thing that you had to do, which was get vaccinated.

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Right. Remember when Biden was on television and he was talking about the hurricane was coming? Most important thing when a hurricane is coming is get vaccinated. Everything's harder if you're not vaccinated.

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It's going to affect their ability to make money in the future, that's for sure, especially CNN.

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Yeah. Yours and most people's.

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Yeah, you get a lot of that for sure, but that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous thinking. I don't even understand that. I really don't. I don't understand how we got to a place where you're wrong to have a conversation with someone, even if you disagree with them. This idea of platforming people. Well, how the fuck do you know what they really think based on what?

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Yeah, it is. But again, there's a lot of cool shit out there. You know, it's like you can concentrate on that or you can concentrate on how much cool music there is now, how much great comedy there is now, how many great movies there are now. There's plenty of things to concentrate on. It's like there's just the problem is there's a lot of people, their business is division.

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A lot of kooky liberals coming your way? Yeah, it's a good transition.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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It's really money. If there was no money in politics and there was no money in pharmaceutical drugs and there was no money in war, we'd live in a much better place.

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Yeah. It's just we have to move closer to that somehow or another. And whether Bobby Kennedy can help us along those lines and all these other people that are trying very hard to stomp out a lot of this bullshit that we've been experiencing for so long. Hopefully.

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Yeah, and he wasn't wrong. The thing is, I was a victim of that propaganda, and I told him that when I met him and I had him on the show. I said, I always thought you were a kook. I had always heard. I'd bought into it. I just had this sort of cursory examination of what people were saying about you. Like, oh, that guy doesn't believe in vaccines. He's a nut.

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He's some sort of an anti-science nut who's just a conspiracy theorist. He's just like all these other nutty people. And then I read his book, and I was like, okay, well, this book is real. Why isn't he getting sued? If it's not real, if it's not real, why is he getting sued? If all these things he's saying about Anthony Fauci during the AIDS crisis, if that's not true, why is he not getting sued?

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I would sue the fuck out of him if he lied about me and said I was vaccinating foster kids with experimental drugs that were killing them. I would sue you if that was not true. Like, hey, you fucking liar. I never did that. This is a lie. You can't prove. But it's not a lie.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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The mainstream media that lies to you constantly, that's supported by all sorts of special interest groups that have no need to tell the American public the truth. They have a very specific narrative that they want pushed and they want no deviation from that at all. The fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here. It's crazy.

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He was the villain of the Dallas Buyers Club, that movie. That was about people trying to seek alternative treatments to deal with AIDS.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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That's AZT.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Magic Johnson got on AZT, and he was killing them, and he got off of it.

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Yeah.

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And he's still alive. Yeah.

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Yeah. It's a bummer. It's just a bummer that someone had that kind of power for so long and was such a fucking monster.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Well, the problem with that pre-pardon is he's pre-pardoned federally, but he's not pre-pardoned statewide. These states can still sue him. Not only that, when you're pardoned, then you can no longer plead the fifth. So you could be held for perjury. So there's a lot of issues with being pardoned that I don't think Biden took into consideration or Fauci took into consideration either.

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I think he just wanted anything to protect him because he knew it was coming. He knew that they had, I mean, just the emails that were available that showed collusion and He had gotten a hold of all these different researchers and changed their perspective on whether or not it was a lab leak because through EcoHealth Alliance, they had funded gain-of-function research after Obama.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Go ahead. But gain-of-function is essentially taking a virus and making it more infectious to human beings.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

5692.142

Yeah, yeah. The idea is supposedly to study it, but if you're studying it and you don't have a fucking cure, you've been studying this shit for so long and you don't have a cure, what are you actually doing? Well, you're doing weapons research. This is one of the things that Bobby's talked about with Lyme disease, where they tried to get him on Lyme disease, which is a very funny grilling.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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They say, did you say that Lyme disease was a leaked bioweapon? He goes, I probably did. And he did. Plum Island. They were fucking researching whether or not they could infect bugs, fleas and ticks, and then dump them on populations to overwhelm their medical system and to use it as a bioweapon so we could invade easier. Yeah, they did that.

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I mean, if you have a large audience, I think you have at least a certain amount of responsibility to talk to some people that you think might be telling the truth.

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I mean, if really science wanted to fix his fucking voice, man, if that guy had his old voice, he'd be a lot more powerful. It's like people dismiss him because his voice is hard. It's hard to listen to sometimes.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

5762.33

Well, he believes that condition came from the flu vaccine. It's a side effect of flu vaccines. He used to take a flu vaccine every year. And so he developed this voice problem. And he believes it's a vaccine injury, which is very ironic. Wow. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Those fucking things don't work either. Those things – and he's talked about that.

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Like even if it protects you from that one flu, it makes you many more times more likely to catch other things. We're fucking around with complex systems inside human bodies with pharmaceutical drugs that have been – The way they've studied them is filled with shenanigans. They might do 10 studies and one of them shows effectiveness because they've rigged the study in a certain way.

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5814.725

He explained to me that the reason why they could say it's 100% effective was because one person got it in the vaccine trial and two people got it in the placebo. Exactly, yeah. That's 100%. 100%.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Yeah. One is 100% better than two. Like, what? That's crazy. No, that's not – 100% means nobody gets infected, you fucking assholes. That should be a law. That should be a crime to explain things like that. I had this guy on who was –

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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He litigated against pharmaceutical drug companies, particularly against Vioxx, when they released this anti-inflammatory medication, Vioxx, and some 50,000 to 60,000 people died from it. A friend of mine got a stroke from Vioxx. This guy was saying that when...

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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Like when you hear peer-reviewed studies, when they do a vaccine study or a pharmaceutical drug study, they don't even give the peer reviewers the raw data. They give the peer reviewers the data as it's been interpreted by the scientists who work for the pharmaceutical drug companies.

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So they review it, and then they give their version of it to these other scientists who are already on the payroll. They're all NIH-funded. Everybody's together. Everybody's all in the loop. Everybody's dependent upon whether or not they're going to receive grants and funding. It's all based on Fauci. And that's how you find out whether or not something is good or bad. It's all rigged.

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Well, that was the most pushback I'd ever experienced ever in my life. And I was like, this is crazy. It was really sad to see people like Joni Mitchell and Neil Young. I wanted to sit down and talk to them and show them some studies and give them Robert Kennedy's book and say, you don't really know what you're talking about.

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And when he was explaining, I'm like, that can't be real. And he's explaining to us, showing us how it works. It's corrupt. It's fully, completely, totally corrupt. And if anything Bobby can do, it's make sure that we have valid studies, valid, real, peer-reviewed studies on everything, on everything that people are supposed to be taking.

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Let's find out what the fuck is really good for you because it's not like all pharmaceutical drugs are bad. A lot of pharmaceutical drugs have helped people, saved people's lives, enhanced people's lives, cured diseases. There's a lot of stuff that's great. Let's find out what it is, what's real and what's bad, and why are you profiting off of shit that's killing people?

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That shouldn't be so hard, would it?

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I think he slept a lot. He wasn't really the president. Maybe. Yeah, that's what's really wild. I don't know, man. Like I said, I'm encouraged. And I also think things are going to get really weird with AI. I think with AI and especially when AI gets attached to quantum computing, we're going to have an undeniable access to truth that's going to be very disconcerting to a lot of people.

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We're going to have an understanding of the reality of the world that we live in that's going to be very undeniable. And it's going to be strange. And unfortunately, there's going to be a lot of propaganda that's with that too because a lot of this AI is programmed by people. So there will be a battle of which AI is the most trusted and effective. And then the real fear is that AI governs us.

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which is probably going to happen. We're probably going to do any more effective.

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And also the Contras versus the Sandinistas, the selling crack in Los Angeles in order to fund all that shit. All that stuff was going on at the same time. Yeah, absolutely. I totally believe that. Oh, it's a fact. I had Freeway Ricky Ross, the guy who went to jail for it, on the podcast a few times. Oh, was he the guy, the plane, he had the planes and he was flying it? No, that was Gary Webb.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

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That was Gary Webb, the guy who was flying into Arkansas.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

6154.076

Yeah. It's a character. Oh, no, Barry Seale. Gary Webb was the reporter who committed suicide. Didn't he shoot himself in the head twice?

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Yeah, a little bit.

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A little bit, yeah. Yeah, he was one of the main whistleblowers about that. Yeah, there's—it's a sordid— Horrible history, but freeway Ricky Ross was unbeknownst to him was selling cocaine Funding this war and he didn't even know what was going on until he went to jail.

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He couldn't read went to jail became Literate and then became a lawyer in jail and then figured out that they tried him on the three strikes rule incorrectly got out of jail and Yeah, now he runs weed dispensaries in California

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He's a great guy.

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You know, Rick Ross, the rapper, he stole his name from Freeway Rick Ross. Oh, Rick Ross was a famous like street gangster, famous street coke dealer who was making millions of dollars a week and couldn't read. He was a tennis player, a really good tennis player, who then used the discipline of being a tennis player to become a very disciplined drug dealer. Like Pfizer, disciplined drug dealer.

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Yeah. And now he's now he's out and wonderful guy to talk to. It's a fun guy, like very happy, peaceful guy. And I mean, what a story. Learn how to read in jail and then realize that they fucked him and then tried his own case and got out.

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Isn't that crazy? We all think lawyers are all evil. No, there's great lawyers. My good friend Josh Dubin, he used to work for the Innocent Project. Now he works with Ike Perlmutter. We've had a bunch of podcasts where we've highlighted innocent people who were incarcerated. And just through this podcast, we've got a bunch of people released.

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Yeah. I mean, he's amazing. He's like completely dedicated his life to wrongly incarcerated people. What's his name? Josh Dubin. Where does he live? Florida. He was a New York guy. Moved to Florida fairly recently. Wow. Yeah. Great guy.

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Love him to death and does nothing but great work just helping people, just constantly concentrating all these different cases where it's like, you know, corrupt DAs, corrupt prosecutors, corrupt judges. It's like, you know, it's it's all over the place.

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Like one of the guys that Biden pardoned was one of the people that was involved in that kids for cash where they were putting kids in detention centers just for profit. Oh, yeah. You know that story, right? I'm not. No, there was a judge. Was it Pennsylvania? Yeah.

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There's a judge in Pennsylvania that was making millions of dollars through putting kids in detention centers and ruining kids lives, causing suicides, deaths, downward spiral of their life, like wrongfully detaining them. And

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He's getting kickbacks. Getting kickbacks from private prisons. Oh, from private prisons? Yeah, from private prisons, from prosecutors. I mean, I don't know exactly who was funding it, but he was convicted. And he's one of the guys Biden pardoned. Oh, really?

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Biden pardoned like 8,000 people. Did he? Yeah. He pardoned more people than anybody, which generally I'm a fan of pardoning people. I think most people are incarcerated for far too long. I don't think it rehabilitates people. I think it probably makes them more hardened criminals in most of the cases.

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There's a few cases where people decide to take a better path in jail and educate themselves and learn and come out a better person. I've met a lot of those people.

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Unfortunately, I met a lot of those people from Josh Dubin that were wrongly incarcerated and then came out these amazing, incredibly intelligent, really well-read, interesting people because they dedicated themselves to doing that while they were in jail. Because they realized, like, I did not commit this crime. I'm forced into this situation.

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What can I do to make better of my life while I'm here? Well, I'm going to educate myself and I'm going to come out a better person.

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There's a lot of people that got pre-pardons. They were like, how did Adam Schiff get a pre-pardon? Why has Liz Cheney got a pre-pardon? What did you do? What did you do that you need a pardon?

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Well, there's a lot of debate on the constitutionality of it too, like whether or not that's even what the pardons were intended for. And that was a thing during the 2020 – like when Trump was leaving the office. There was talk about what if he pre-pardons his family. That would be outrageous and all the Democrats were against it and then – Of course, when Biden did it, everybody just shut up.

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Yeah, they had heard the mainstream media saying that it was dangerous misinformation. By the way, everything he said has turned out to be true. Every single thing he said had turned out to be true.

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He pre-pardoned his son from 2014 or something, 11. Oh, what a good guy.

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he was about to be charged and he was what was Gerald Ford gonna be charged or so Nixon yeah that's another one the Watergate one's a weird one too because the the lead guy uh was an intelligence agent who's uh all of a sudden a reporter

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Oh, what a good guy. Caspar Weinberger. There you go. Abraham Lincoln did. During the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln preempted pardons, part of the broader strategy to maintain national unity. Okay. Extended to Confederate sympathizers and soldiers. Okay. As an incentive to lay down arms and support the Union.

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Well, that was a good one.

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I remember I was a kid. I was living in San Francisco when the Vietnam War ended. My parents were hippies. We were living in Haight-Ashbury, down near Lombard Street, in the middle of hippie San Francisco. And I remember thinking, as a little kid, thinking, wow, finally the war's over. I don't have to think about war anymore. I'm like, people are going to learn from this. I really believed that.

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Also, I was 10. Yeah.

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Everything that everybody said about whether it was a lab leak, whether the vaccine had side effects, whether it was pushed, whether they lied about the studies and distorted the information, everything was true.

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Yeah, well, you're terrified because I had thought of the idea of being drafted. In eight years from now, can I be drafted and have to go and fight for some fucking insane war that makes no sense? And if you don't, they put you in a cage. That was the reality of life in the 1960s when they had conscription. That's scary shit, man.

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Being forced to give up your life to go fight in some fucking insane war that makes sense that's probably about heroin. Probably had a lot to do with heroin trade.

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Well, how about Afghanistan?

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Not only that, we were guarding poppy fields. We were – because we needed – these farmers need to grow poppies. It's like this is how they make a living. We've got to help them. We've got to fight the Taliban. Then it's 90-plus percent of the world's opium that's coming from this area. Like what? 90 percent? Oh, yeah.

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I think it was 94 percent of the world's heroin was coming from Afghanistan while we were occupying Afghanistan.

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I mean, the Taliban were the people that were against it, which is wild. Twenty twenty one. Afghanistan produced more than 90 percent of the world's illicit heroin. However, Myanmar has since surpassed Afghanistan. Well, didn't Myanmar just have a giant coup? Didn't they have a military takeover of Myanmar? I think they did. I'm pretty sure because.

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All of it, including Yale just released some study about people producing spike protein 700 plus days after the injections, which was never thought to be the case when they gave them to these people in the first place. A host of different...

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Myanmar coup. Just write coup. Yeah, four years after the coup, atrocity crimes. Four years after the coup, chaos reigns as Myanmar's military struggles. Yeah, they're probably taking control. I mean, if you've got a place where now they've taken over the heroin production of the world, and all of a sudden you have a military coup, shocking. Right. Crazy. It does tend to follow along these routes.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's too many things to concentrate on. That's the problem. And we're all getting inundated every day with terrible news from all over the world. And on one side, it makes people more accountable because now you know all the terrible things that are going on all over the world. But another thing, it's like it's unmanageable.

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If you're one human being living in Austin, your phone is blowing up all day with atrocities that are happening all over the world. You're like, what can I do? What is life? Everything's terrible. Meanwhile, you go to the coffee shop, everybody's nice. You go to the restaurant, say hi to everybody. It's like my world seems pretty fucking normal.

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But when you're inundated constantly, so you're in this constant state of anxiety and weirdness.

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Do you go on social media at all?

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Yeah, yeah. Than being on it all the time. Because I know a lot of people that are on it all the time and it makes them sick. It's like radiation poisoning.

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serious problems that people are having because these that everyone's covering up and people are lying about and everyone's trying to obfuscate and doctors are trying to sweep things under the rug because they don't want to be in trouble for mandating these things and telling people to get these things. It's horrible.

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Instagram so how do you think of a good all and all I don't know the problem is well X is what I use the most as far as like getting information but every now and then I'll go on and watch people argue and see like this these toxic fights back and forth and that puts me in a shitty mood I'm like god damn why do people fucking treat each other like this like it's like such a stupid way to communicate

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Yeah, that is – it's so disheartening. And it's also – it amplifies the worst aspects of our society, which is like shitty division. It's like shitty division is what gets a lot of clicks. Partisan thoughts and attacking people, tribal thinking – That's what gets the most clicks and that's what you see the most.

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But there's enough of exposing of actual legitimate corruption and information about what's actually going on in the world that I get out of there that it balances it out for me to the point where I'm willing to engage in it to a certain extent.

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i don't do it at night and i don't do it when i think it's gonna like me up before i go to bed i don't i don't do it if there's anything i really have to concentrate on because i don't want some new pathway to open up my mind where now i'm concerned about this you know yeah but you you know all of that adversity you face do you feel like it actually increased your popularity yeah

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Yeah, it definitely did. Like during the COVID stuff when they were trying to get me removed from Spotify, in that one month I gained 2 million subscribers. Oh, really? And the height of the attacks on me, the show got way bigger.

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That's a good question. Between Spotify, YouTube and all the clips, fucking who knows, hundreds of millions probably. Oh, great. Yeah. A good show that gets spread around like how many different eyeballs will see it. I mean, it really depends on how profound the person's revelations are, like what they're talking about. Like, you know, like the biggest one we ever did. Well, some of the Elon.

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Well, I think the biggest one we probably ever did was Bob Lazar. Is that number one? So the Bob Lazar one. Do you know Bob Lazar is? Bob Lazar is the guy that in 1989, he did an interview with George Knapp in Las Vegas. And he said he was working back engineering UFOs for the government. And he has this crazy fucking story about working at Area S4, Site 4 on Area 51 in the Nevada desert.

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was at that point in time the government would deny that Area 51 even existed. And he's like, no, I work out there. And I was working back engineering propulsion systems from crashed UFOs.

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And he was explaining how these things work and explaining how it's in some sort of a gravity propulsion device that works completely different than any propulsion device that we've ever devised and that they're trying to back engineer them. They don't know how to do it. So they keep bringing in new propulsions experts. So he was a guy that had previously worked at Los Alamos Labs.

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And then he gets a job, and they're essentially throwing as much shit against the wall as possible trying to see what sticks. Like, can you figure this out? And they're bringing in new people. And he was brought in apparently after, allegedly, after an accident where they tried to cut into the reactor and it exploded and people died. And so they said, okay, well, that's not going to work.

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Let's try another method, bring in some other people. And he was one of the people they brought in. And when you have top-secret clearance –

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what happens is they tap all your phones they listen to you all the time well he had this job where he couldn't tell his wife what he was doing so he would get this phone call saying that he has to fly out to area 51 at like 11 p.m so he would go to the airport fly out his wife was like this is cheating on me so she starts her flight instructor she's got some flight instructor and so because his wife was having an affair and they knew it from the phone calls they thought that he was going to be emotionally unstable so they removed him from the project

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So he gets removed from the project, and he says, well, I'm telling my friends. So he goes and tells his friends, like, this is what I was doing. I was working on these fucking UFOs. They have actual UFOs. That's the one, that thing on the desk right there, that's the recreation of what he called the sport model that they worked on that has this flying saucer that's behind the antlers.

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Yeah, the classic.

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The sport model. Got it. So he brings people out to watch. He said on Wednesday they have these flights and they test these things. I'll take you guys out to the desert. He took them out the desert. He takes them a couple of times. Then he gets arrested. So he gets arrested and he says, they're going to fucking kill me. I have to go public. So he goes public and tells the whole story.

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And so he does these series of interviews with George Knapp, who's an investigative reporter in in Las Vegas. And they become legendary. It's told the same story for now going on 40 years. And he's still alive. He's still alive. Yeah, he did my podcast. So he did the podcast, and I don't know what to think. I don't know if he's telling the truth or not. It's hard to know.

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But he's told the same goddamn story for all these years, and he's obviously a brilliant guy. When you talk to him, he's obviously very literate in science, really understands what he's saying. And many of the things that he said from that particular interview have been corroborated by other people, including his knowledge of Los Alamos Labs.

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They tried to say he never worked there, but they found him on the employee roster. And he knows the building. He took people into the building. He took George Knapp in there. He knew the security guards. He knew where to go, showing everybody around the place. And that's our biggest podcast ever because it's so fucking nuts.

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There's an incredible – Jeremy Corbell did an incredible documentary called Bob Lazar, Area 51 and Flying Saucers. And it's all about his experiences there. And it's one of those things where you just – you don't know. But it's – God, it's so weird. Yeah.

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It's like if this guy's telling the same goddamn story, and then they have all these videos of these things that the GoFast video and the Fleer video that the government's released that were covered in the New York Times. And these crafts are exhibiting the same sort of behavior that he was explaining in 1989.

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Particularly when they fly like this, but then when they want to go fast, they rotate sideways and point whatever this gravity, propulsion, whatever this thing is, this generator, and they shoot this way and take off. And there's videos of these things doing this. Wow. 40 years later. Unbelievable. Yeah. So that's the biggest video.

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So that video on YouTube got 60 million views. And then on all the other platforms, who knows how many. And all the clips, it's probably hundreds of millions. Yeah. Bizarre. But it's one of those things where you don't want to think too much about it because it might be bullshit. That's how I feel about the whole UFO thing.

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Well, there's a lot of people that want to pretend to be special, so they make up stories that make them special. They make up encounters. They make up abductions. I've been abducted by aliens. I'm a special person. They took me aboard. I have a message for humanity. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of delusions.

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Well, one of the more interesting stories is this guy. This is Travis Walton. This guy's got a little bobblehead. Travis Walton was a guy. I don't know if you ever saw that movie Fire in the Sky. It was based on a bunch of loggers in Arizona, and they saw this thing land.

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And this guy, Travis Walton, gets out of the truck and goes to it and gets blasted by this bolt of energy, collapses to the ground. His buddies take off. They're screaming in the car, all these loggers, like, we've got to go back and get him. We've got to go back and get him. They turn around a mile later, go back, he's gone.

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He's gone for five days, and then he shows up back in the town five days later with this fucking wild story of being abducted, taken aboard this craft. They healed his body, and then they communicated with him and then returned him. And the thing about it is like all these experiences, these people talk about the exact same creatures.

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They talk about the exact same entities, these things with big heads and large eyes and spindly bodies, and they're communicating telepathically. It's like it's universal.

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it's like over and over again it's a very similar story and the problem is if it happened to you who the fuck is going to believe you it's a unique experience a completely novel experience that only you have and then you have to go and try to make sense of it to other people that haven't experienced it and they're going to think you're fucking crazy but if you have enough of these people that say the same story over and over and over again

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which is if you read John Mack, he was a psychologist from Harvard that did a lot of hypnotic regression work with people that have had alien abductions.

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Did you really?

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When did you meet him?

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Magnus Carlsen told me. I had Magnus Carlsen in a couple days ago. He told me that you did one of his opening moves. That you did it for him. And he was like, what the fuck is he doing? He couldn't even figure out why you did it. But he realized afterwards, oh, you're a really good chess player. That was actually a legitimate move. You did his opening, right?

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Well, Magnus said you stuck around and you played a lot of people, and he said you were really good. Oh, that's very nice.

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Fascinating guy. He was here a couple days ago. Was he? Yeah.

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Yeah, that's a stupid rule. Who gives a shit if you're wearing jeans?

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That doesn't make you a better or worse player. Yeah, it's stupid. Everybody should be able to have to play in their underwear. That way you know they don't have any devices on them. Right.

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Well, we got into very specific ways that people cheat. It was pretty interesting. He was talking to us about different ways that people have been busted cheating. Different people signaling them in the room, moving to different parts of the room if they wanted the piece to move in a different area.

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That was what was fascinating, that you could tell by the way a guy's playing that something was amiss, that this is not inside of his capability. He knew the way the guy played so well that you could tell that something was off, which is so crazy. Which is, I'm not literate in chess, so I don't understand how you could do that, but I believe him. Especially when you talk to him, like,

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Yeah. Yeah. That's what he thinks. He thinks that's one of the possible methods. And then there was the anal beads. People were talking about anal beads.

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Yeah, I guess it would like vibrate. I guess you would do it like vibrate a certain amount of times first to indicate the letter and then a couple times to indicate the number. That's where the piece would go. A little Morse code in the rectal cavity.

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He's an old guy. I get it. He's 92. Can't take a chance getting infected. A lot of old people, I got it. I got the fear because it's like death is close to them. It's just they're too vulnerable. I get it. I get why they got roped into it.

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Oh, all the time, even in Austin. Yeah. I see them driving their fucking car still with masks on.

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Yeah. It was weird watching so many people that I thought were intelligent stand up for the government and for the pharmaceutical industry.

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I would imagine it's both. I mean, we know for a fact that one of the main factors in eliminating diseases in North America was when they started having hygiene and when they started having flowing water and sewage systems and that just having cleanliness. I mean, most cities... at the turn of the century, were filled with filth. I mean, during the smallpox epidemic, people lived terrible.

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They lived in filth. When you had the various, like there's a bunch of different diseases that can be attributed to poor hygiene. Poor hygiene, no access to antibiotics, no access to any kind of medicine. And we all attribute that just to a disease broke out. But why did the disease break out? Well, the people who are living in filth There was no running water. They didn't have any sewage systems.

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They didn't have any sort of antibiotics, including like when people talk about the Spanish flu. Like if the Spanish flu broke out today, we'd be fucked. No, we wouldn't. First of all, we have antibiotics now. Spanish flu would be killed quickly. The real factor was all these diseases that people were getting because of the infection that could be cured by antibiotics.

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But you're saying like ubiquitous use of antibiotics for everything.

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What? MRSA. MRSA is medication-resistant staph infections. Right. Right.

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I've had a bunch of friends who get that because that's one of the side effects. One of the unfortunate aspects of jiu-jitsu is a lot of guys get staph infections. You know, if you're not clean, you're not taking care of it. Getting scratched and scraped up, and you're on the ground, dirty mats, people come in dirty, and you can get an infection. I've had staph twice.

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Constantly yeah, but it's just weird that so many people went along with it without question I mean and especially the weirdest part was it was the people on the left that was so confusing to me because all my life people on the left were very very hesitant to believe anything that big pharma said and always distrusting in any major institution that was profiting off of something and all the

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You get staph, ringworm, a bunch of different things that people normally get on the mat. But there's ways to combat that in a healthy, organic way. And one of the best ways is the use of – There's a bunch of different oils, tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil, a bunch of oils that don't affect your skin biome in a negative way, but what they do is they protect you from bad diseases.

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There's a company called Defense Soap, and I always recommend it. I don't have any affiliation with them. My friend Guy Sacco runs the company, but he developed it because a bunch of wrestlers and grapplers were getting skin infections, and so he developed natural remedies

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that don't affect your... Because a lot of times, guys would take antibiotic soap, and they would clean themselves with antibiotic soap. The problem with that is it kills all your healthy flora, all the skin flora that's healthy. That gets torched, too. It's taking a blowtorch to a small patch of weed so you can just pluck out. And instead of doing that...

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He developed this soap that uses all these natural organic remedies that doesn't affect you in a negative way at all. It's the only soap I use. I use that soap every day, and it keeps your skin healthy, and it doesn't fuck it up. So there's ways around it.

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The real way is to prevent it, though, because once you actually get staph, especially if it's aggressive, you've got to take antibiotics or you're fucked. Well. It gets systemic. Yeah. My friend's wife. Oh, sorry, go ahead. My friend, his friend's wife rather died of it. She was trying to do it organically. She was trying to like use herbal remedies and she wound up dying of staph infection.

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It gets into your blood and goes into your whole body, and then you're fucked. You really have to get on a heavy, hardcore IV antibiotics for long stretches of time. I've had friends that have huge scars on their body because they got a massive MRSA infection in their knees, and then they had to get it all opened up. They have to clean it out, and they have to get them on IV antibiotics.

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It's a fucking nightmare. And it's one of the main reasons why people die after surgeries is It happens after surgeries where people get MRSA infections.

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Yes, stay healthy, Woody. Yeah. Do you eat only vegetables? Is that what you're talking about, like meat? Are you a vegan?

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Yeah?

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Do you take algae or anything? Were you getting B vitamins, do you think?

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

848.018

It was all very clear. You could see where the motivation was with everything. You could see the amount of profit that was going to be generated. And still, everybody was just so scared. It just exposed a lot of cowards, a lot of fools, a lot of cowards, and a lot of people that are just at the moment of any form of adversity are willing to just bow down and do what the system tells them to.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8524.795

Like what? Nootropics are essentially nutrients that contribute to cognitive function, building blocks for human neurotransmitters, acetylcholine, theanine, things along those lines. No, I don't do that, but I'm open-minded.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8554.734

The thing about it is you could almost take stuff all day long because there's so many different things that could benefit you. You'd have to have a fucking stack of shit in front of you all day long, which gets tiresome. Yeah.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8605.521

issues yeah do you concern yourself do you eat organic vegetables only yeah yeah that's that's huge because i mean i think what is it like 90 something percent of people tested have glyphosate in their system i was reading some study on fucking um on girl scout cookies like how how many like they've done studies on girl scout cookies where they break them down find out what's in them oh holy shit

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8631.656

They're fucking toxic as fuck. Yeah, I'll send it to you, Jamie. I sent it to my wife because she's trying to avoid Girl Scout cookies.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8645.607

Yeah, those little hustlers, they catch you at the grocery store. I'll find this for you, Jamie. There was this thing about – oh, here it is. Different seed oils, all the different things in them. Yeah, that's probably one of them. What does it say here?

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8665.876

Thin Mints being the worst offenders, five flavors of Girl Scout cookies contained levels of glyphosate and heavy metals above EPA water safety limits. New investigation found 100% of tested Girl Scout cookies contained glyphosate. 100%. Controversial herbicide in Roundup, 88% contained toxic metals like arsenic, lead, and mercury.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8689.966

Key finding, Thin Mints had the highest glyphosate levels at 111.07 ppb, 334 times what experts say is harmful. Peanut Butter Patties had the highest... Heavy metal contamination with lead reaching 42.5 ppb and aluminum at 27,500 ppb ppm. 76% of cookies tested exceeded cadmium safety limits and 96 contained lead.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8724.42

Girl Scout USA, which sells 200 million boxes per year, $800 million in revenue, did not respond to researchers before publication.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

873.209

It's very strange.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8747.715

Girl Scout Cookies are made with ingredients that adhere to food safety standards set by the FDA and other relevant authorities. Oh, really? Our trusted bakers remain committed to compliance with all food safety standards. Maybe we should change the fucking food safety standards. Just because you're complying with bullshit standards. That's what I'm hoping is going to happen going forward.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8766.907

I'm hoping too. I think, you know, I don't know how much Bobby can affect things and what he actually can do, but I know what he's trying to do. And one of the main things he's trying to do is this whole idea of this Maha movement, make America healthy again. And that's possible. This is something we could do.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8853.252

Everyone's trying to reduce carbon. Organic farms are carbon neutral because that's how nature intended animals to live. That's how nature intended us to grow crops. It's all supposed to be animals, graze, manure, all this different stuff. It helps.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8874.989

Yeah, and it all works together. And thank God there's people out there like Joel Salatin, who runs Polyface Farms, and Will Harris, who runs White Oak Pastors, who have educated these people and written books and gone on these tours and explained to me. Will Harris, who's been on the podcast a couple of times, he spent 20 years –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8894.589

changing his family farm, which was an industrial farm, into regenerative agriculture. And you can see the difference in the soil. We have two glass bottles of soil out there, one from an industrial farm and one from his farm. And his farm is dark and rich and filled with nutrients, and the other one is just pale and dead and just covered in bullshit fucking chemicals.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8944.992

Well, the real problem is we have so many people that need food and that we're reliant upon factory farming right now to a large extent because there's... Enormous populations of people that live in a place where they grow nothing. Whether it's New York City or it's Los Angeles, it's urban environments. They need food constantly shipped into them and no one's growing anything.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8967.877

And the population keeps booming and it's like you got to get these people food. And we right now are dependent upon factory farming for a lot of that food.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8987.06

I think people are definitely going to have to change the way they eat.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

8999.705

But at least people are aware of it now. At least there's more information and more education about that today than has ever been before. I mean, this was never a discussion when I was a kid. I never heard anything about that. It was just being done. And this is just you got food and you didn't think about where it came from. And then the term organic came around like, what's that?

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

9018.386

Like, it's no pesticides. Like, what's a pesticide? What's on the food? You know, like, we didn't know. And back then, there was no access to any information other than mainstream media. So it was pretty easy for them to keep going on with these practices. Unless you went out and sought it out and went and found books or someone told you about a book, you didn't know.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

9039.756

You didn't get that information. I think more people have that information now than ever before. Right. So that's one of the reasons why I'm hopeful. And I think Bobby really does have an idea of how to do this. And I hope he's successful.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

9054.123

Yeah, me too. Well, listen, brother, it's been great talking to you. I really appreciated it. I'm very happy to meet you. I've enjoyed your work for so many years, so it's a pleasure to do this.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

9075.065

Let's break bread someday. I'd love to.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

9081.473

All right. Sounds good, brother.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

9083.738

Thank you very much.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

9086.324

Bye, everybody.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

933.355

Including people that had already been sick. It didn't even make sense. Not only that, I mean, you talk to virologists, they say you never vaccinate during a pandemic because it encourages variants. You know, I posted that on Twitter, the study on Twitter. So many people were attacking me. I'm like, hey, I didn't write the study.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

948.041

This is a study that shows that when you vaccinate with a non-sterilizing vaccine during a pandemic, it encourages variants. And that's what happened.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

961.488

So it doesn't, a vaccine that doesn't actually prevent you from catching the disease or spreading the disease. Oh, right. And that's what COVID is.

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#2277 - Woody Harrelson

985.693

There was never any studies ever in the beginning that ever showed that it stopped transmission. None. Zero. All it did is it showed that it had an immune response.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1001.231

No one cares if that's your voice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1014.338

No, you don't.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1015.798

They got you at the time. Remember there was the other one? There was a song. God. It was like a big-time band, and there was this beautiful woman who was singing, and it turned out it wasn't really her singing. It was some big, heavy lady who... Who was actually singing.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1039.331

It was one of those fucking, something factory. What was the band? Yes. They didn't sing? There was a situation like that, right? Wasn't there? Where some lady. I didn't know that. Jamie will find it.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

105.23

Think about all the comics we know. I know one comic with a sitcom, Miss Pat, and it's on a streaming. It's on BET.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1056.798

We talked about you earlier today.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1069.125

I want to get one of them. Jamie can golf his ass off. I have a buddy who got hit in the head with a golf ball. He said he was fucked up for six months.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1075.29

You got hit in the head with a line drive.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1085.717

I see those guys that do those power swings on the internet, where they loop their arm around and fucking drive through. So imagine getting hit with one of those balls. It's like getting hit with a fucking shotgun shooting a rubber bullet at you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1109.799

No, but you ever see that one where the pitcher catches the bird in mid-flight? Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1115.064

Crazy. It's like, what are the odds that it would perfectly be there when it's a 100-mile-an-hour pitch?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1121.35

Who was that? Was that Randy... Yeah.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1124.953

Randy Johnson.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1130.997

Martha Walsh, most famous unknown singer of the 90s speaks. How a voice behind It's Raining Men, Gonna Make You Sweat, and Strike It Up went from being a bullied victim to an industry pioneer. So which song was at the C&C Music Factory song?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1154.555

You get good looking people. They dance around.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1158.337

Well, this was the first time where they were experimenting really with images in a way where everything's visual. It's all video. You know, like MTV was so important. Oh my God. It was so important.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1178.389

Oh, God, that reminds me of college. So that's it. So some other lady in the video was singing it, but that lady was the real voice behind it. But she just didn't look like they wanted her to look. Uncredited vocals on the chorus. Which is just so crazy. Like, do you don't think, like, look what's happening with, like, Lizzo. Do you think, you don't think that would have happened in 1994?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1196.054

Of course it would have if you just tried it. Everybody. Everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

120.549

Yeah, well, or you're never going to have a career because there was no way to get people to come see you in the clubs unless you had a special or unless you had a sitcom.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1216.793

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1239.412

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1262.877

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

137.883

Oh, yeah. Everybody would be in town for pilot season.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1389.011

Kermit the Frog. Yeah, I look like Kermit. Yeah.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

140.525

Everybody would be like a special kind of anxious.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1403.43

Brian Callen was always going to acting schools and he knew they were ridiculous. But I don't, I think like Brian at one point in time was like completely enamored with the idea with being in Hollywood. Like he had a bunch of like famous actor friends and he'd go to famous actor parties and he'd take acting classes. He's always working on his craft.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1428.072

He was fucking around. When he would say working on my craft, he wasn't being serious. He was completely joking. So he had this teacher that was, I think it was a Scientology hustle, too. It was one of those things. There was a lot of that, particularly in the 90s, where the teachers were Scientologists. Insert, by the way, it's not to pick on Scientology, insert whatever religion.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

144.693

Your whole fucking career was laying on this moment where you walked into this room and there was these weirdos, these casting people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1448.068

There was a lot of Scientology that was in Hollywood, though. But what they would do is they would get people to join the acting class and they would try to recruit them into Scientology because the teacher was a Scientologist. He would talk about how important it was. To be in Scientology? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How important it was for his craft. Meanwhile, they're never successful.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1467.05

The people that are teaching the acting classes, they're always terrible. They never go anywhere. Maybe they have a small part on one thing and then they're going to tell you how to make it.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1479.804

Not to say there's not good acting teachers out there. I'm sure there are. There's people that just like love theater. They love like that kind of act. They have no desire to be famous. They love the craft. They love the art of it. That's true too, right?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1491.028

But anyway, this guy, he was really into show tunes and he would do a big show at the end of the class or whatever, the end of the quarter, whatever it was. He had this big show at this local theater and Brian's like – You have to come and watch a guy with the tiniest feet you've ever seen in your life.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1508.397

He had these little, I couldn't take my eyes off his feet because he had loafers on and they were like that big. And this guy would sing like so passionately these show tunes. from like musicals, like there's no context.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1532.234

No, Brian was like fascinated by how small his feet were. And then I couldn't stop, because we were high, so I couldn't stop looking at his feet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1538.517

No, they were tiny. They were like size five.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

161.882

And they're the kings and you are a peasant begging for a bowl of soup.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

173.633

You want them to like you. Hi. Hi, guys. I want you to like me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1748.006

It's not brain surgery.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1757.99

The skill is like... Well, it's one of the few careers where it's a benefit to be out of your fucking mind.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1782.265

Oh, yeah.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1788.993

No. How old was he at the time? A thousand?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1838.104

So it became flirtatious, but it was mostly just complimentary about her movie.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1849.671

It's like you need crazy people to make great movies.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1852.152

She flirted with him.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1853.733

You need crazy people to make good movies. You need it. You need a guy who's going to pretend he's Lincoln for four months.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1862.458

Phenomenal. What's that?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1868.34

I didn't see that one. I drink your milkshake. Oh, my God. It was so good. He was so good. He was such a great psychopath.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1881.359

Right, I'll drink your milkshake, what?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

1904.071

Yeah, it was a fucked up movie. That's a different thing. You know, that kind of acting. On me, to take it out of the ground.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2020.921

It's also you got to be out of your fucking mind. You got to be able to become that guy. I know, but most people can't do that. Most people can't lie that good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2034.256

Oh, would be a nightmare. Imagine that guy's your roommate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2042.345

All day long, he's a murderous psychopath. And what if he slips into character too much? What if he lights your house on fire just to stay in character?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2055.262

Well, there's a lot of people that do that. They play a brawler and they start fights with people on the streets. People get crazy with film roles, with who they become. Yeah, who was that guy? But that's how you go to great movies.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2076.847

um yeah the batman guy remember that whole thing where he was uh screaming at the guy forgetting in the way of his lighting or something no this guy was moving around the background was distracting and he's like aren't you a professional remember that yeah because he was in like some heavy scene yeah but that does happen man where people don't pay attention and they're on their phone and they're off in the background and they're right in the eye line

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2112.676

That guy's another fucking amazing actor. Another amazing actor.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2119.318

Insane. But the craziest thing he ever did was when he almost died, making that Machinist movie. Got down to like 120 pounds. He played a guy with narcos. It's a terrible movie.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2131.327

It's not very good. But I mean, to have a guy who's like a leading man and almost die for a movie that no one saw. Yeah. yourself this. Who has access to your medical history? In theory, it's just you and your doctor.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2145.301

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2198.237

Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

220.622

2003. 2003.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

225.927

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2387.848

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

241.942

He was, the John Larroquette show was on the same lot. uh as uh i was when i was filming news radio and uh lenny clark who's a good friend of mine forever lenny was on that show and you know i'd run into lenny in the parking lot we talked but we would watch their feed where john larroquette would like yell at people

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2508.57

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2594.671

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

264.986

Yeah, people were screaming about it. But no one had a cell phone back then. You know, we're talking the 90s. So this is probably 94 or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was a bizarre scene, man. I never adjusted to being on television. Never did.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

282.546

Yeah, but I couldn't wait to not do it anymore once I did it. Really? Yeah, and I had the best version of it. I had the best version of it. Hilarious cast, brilliant writers. What was that? The stress of it, it was just like, I just wanted to do stand-up.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2897.205

They always spilt their fucking milk. Those kids are not going to be missed. And you're like, what?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2903.79

Hollywood, Comedy Store, Sunset, Tuesday night or whatever it was, 1 a.m. They went nuts. Everybody went nuts. Yeah, yeah. But that was Holtzman. Holtzman got these late spots. So he would say the wildest, most insane shit, but also have a really good point half the time.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2921.883

Like, it was comedy wrapped up in a point, and then every now and then he'd let you in on it. Like, it was just fucking around and go right back to it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2929.266

And, you know, it's a little dance he's doing with the crowd, and you've got to know what the dance is. But if you know what the dance is, like, comics love him. Like, whenever he's on stage, we sit in the balcony and watch Holtzman at the mothership.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2958.403

Eddie Pepitone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2960.303

I love that guy. Oh, yeah, he's great, too. Very similar in a lot of ways, like just insane energy and has a point, but is also completely wacky.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2976.231

I think he started late. I think Eddie started a little late. I think so. At least I wasn't aware of him until later.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

2990.81

You can go to maybe 40. Look, Tom Brady, still playing football. Was he like 42 when he retired? Still, that's young-ish. Young as fuck if you're a comic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3014.171

An athlete makes a ton of money for a very short amount of time. That's why they all go broke. Or not all of them, but a large amount of them go bankrupt.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

304.173

Listen, as far as that was also the problems, I knew I was never going to get another sitcom like news radio. The other sitcoms that I read for were fucking garbage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3041.841

It can't be your whole thing because one day it's going to go away. But if you're an athlete, it goes away even quicker than being a hot lady. Like, there's hot ladies that are in their 50s. They're still hot. They maintain their looks. Some hot ladies in the 50s. They work out. They take care of their skin. But there's no, like, super athletes that are in their 50s. Like, they don't exist.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3058.394

What about... Not at a professional level. Hold on, let me think. Go ahead. It's not possible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3066.22

There's one guy I can tell you that did it into his 50s. Bernard Hopkins.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3071.664

No, he was a boxer. A world champion boxer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3074.727

Multiple division world champion boxer. Was beating world champions at 50 years old.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3082.132

I don't know. I'm not Mike Tyson.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3084.054

But I would say by the tone of my voice, you can sense a little bit of skepticism. Yeah. Anybody who's a combat sports athlete looked at that and said, you know, I'm happy Mike Tyson made money. It seemed like he held back a little bit. Maybe there was an agreement. I wasn't there. I'm not one for wild speculation. No, you're not.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3122.355

That's insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3143.587

I'm gonna look ridiculous Kelly's a great example he's another example of someone who just takes care of themselves But Bernard Hopkins was a – what was like Bernard Hopkins' world championship fight that he had when he was in his 50s?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

316.721

Yeah, there was a few opportunities. I had a couple of development deals to do stuff. But then when Fear Factor came on, my first thought was like, yes, no actors.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3168.27

I know Archie Moore, who was a famous boxer before the Muhammad Ali days. Archie Moore was – That's like way back in the video of it. I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3181.938

Oh, that's just sad. No, no, no. The guy he's fighting does not look like he's trying to hit him. He wins.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3193.542

Win over. That kid needed money. Yeah, this kid's not punching back at all. He's just covering up. This looks super sus. Oh, and he just goes down? Yeah, if I was the athletic commissioner, I'd have a talk with those fellows. I'd be like, hey, what are we doing here? Is this pro wrestling?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3221.307

I know people have been offered fights where they said, you will win the fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3226.433

I know there's celebrity boxing matches and celebrity fights that are like that where they make a deal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3237.676

No, no, no, no, no, no. No, you shouldn't do that kind of stuff as you get older, I don't think. I don't think your body's as resilient. Even if you stay fit and in shape, you don't want head trauma in your 50s.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3250.109

So Hopkins broke his own record by winning the IBF light heavyweight title from Tavares Cloud in 2013. And again, in 2014, we won the WBA super title from Bebut Shumanoff at ages 48 and 49. That's fucking crazy. So he wins two titles, a title at age 48 and a title at age 49. Incredible. Are those rigged? No, no, no, no, no, no. The way that he would box was super intelligent.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

327.168

Yeah. I didn't have to deal with like the whole thing, like the whole thing of the schmoozing and the, you know, going to these award things and these parties and these press junkets that you had to do. It's like, I didn't like it.

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He was very defensively minded. You didn't get clean shots off on Bernard Hopkins. He was very clever, and he understood boxing at a very... very like deep level his footwork was always on point never drank never smoked always took care of his body ate only organic food worked out every day never got out of shape just all discipline and so he was able to maintain his body

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3310.796

What the hell is this?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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It's not working?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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Wouldn't that be funny if that's all it takes?

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Come on, bitch. I think I have to fill it.

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No, I haven't.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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It's kind of interesting, but he's doing a bunch of stuff that I would say most experts believe is not the way to go. One of them is avoiding sunlight. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're supposed to get sunlight. Sunlight is important for your body. It's the best way your body produces vitamin D. It's great for your endorphins. Sunlight is good for you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3366.493

This idea that you should be shielded from the sun because you're going to prevent skin cancer, it's probably – I've talked to a dermatologist about this, and they were explaining that if you don't have resilience from the sun – If you're not, like, used to going out in the sun, then you go out all in one burst and get sunburned. He's like, yeah, sunburn is not good for you. There you go, Phil.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3387.607

Yeah. He goes, you're damaging your skin. What you should do is get accustomed to being in the sun so you don't get fucking sunburned. And then be out in the sun. Don't get cooked. Don't spend the whole day out in the sun and get cooked. But being out in the sun is actually good for you. It's healthy for your body.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3404.562

That's just one thing. The other thing is the vegan thing. I get it if it's for ethical concern. You've got this idea in your mind that animal life is more important than plant life and you don't want to contribute to animal death. Okay. I understand that perspective. But not from a health perspective.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

341.585

It just felt, I don't know. It was just weird. You know, I never auditioned for anything. I auditioned for a couple commercials in New York. I auditioned for two shows ever.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3420.433

From a health perspective, all the studies that showed that meat causes this, it's all been debunked. And not only that, most of them are these epidemiology studies where they ask people, like, how often do you eat meat? Is it two times a week, three times a week, four times a week? And the more people that ate meat, the more people you see diseases, the more people you see problems.

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3444.13

problems, all these health consequences. And so they go, oh, meat correlates to these health consequences. What you don't ask them is, how did you eat the meat? Is it a Jack in the Box burger with a fucking giant Coca-Cola? Did you have fries that were cooked in seed oil? Did you eat cake with it? What did you do? Do you smoke cigarettes? How often do you drink? Do you drink every night? Okay.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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People that are more health conscious, especially if they haven't read into it enough, where they really understand what's nutrient dense and what causes problems with your health and what are the real issues with high sugar diets. And those people, they hear meat is bad. So they say, you know what? I'm just going to eat vegetarian. It seems like it's healthier. I'm just going to eat lentils.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3491.147

They're good for you. They don't cause cancer. I read about the China diet. And so you start believing that. But that's not really true. And people have eaten meat since literally the beginning of time, and 95% of the planet eats meat. There's a bunch of things that likely contribute to all sorts of metabolic diseases that people have. I don't think regular meat is one of them.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3514.261

I don't think a grass-fed steak and a fucking salad is going to kill you. I think the real issue is buns and fries and soda and chips and cookies. And the people that don't avoid eating meat, if they're not well-read about it, they're doing it because they don't give a fuck. I'm going to eat a burger because I want to eat a burger. So you get a lot of that.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3536.924

So in the people that avoid meat, you get a healthy user bias. Because these are people that, even if it's not correct, I know people that truly believe that you can become a better athlete on a vegan diet. I'm like, OK, but there's no pros who have ever done that. No pros have ever gone vegan and been, especially at an explosive sport. There's only like a few people out there.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3558.416

Like there's a guy named Martin Bokole.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3564.48

No, you're making it up. Martin Bokole is one of the best heavyweight boxers in the world. He's this fucking enormous guy. I think he's, I don't remember what part of Africa he's from. He might be Congolese.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3579.291

uh he's a monster and he's a vegetarian vegetarian people up it's kind of crazy yeah like one of the best heavyweight boxers a lot huge guy and he's a vegetarian it's an aberration though and vegetarian you can still eat eggs eggs are probably as good as anything if you want to eat like one protein and you know simple easy to digest has everything eggs are pretty solid eggs like every day

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3612.336

Yeah, you got to get all your vitamins correctly. And then you got to make sure you're not taking too many vitamins and which ones are water soluble, which ones are fat soluble.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

362.077

So I got this show when I was living in New York. It was called Hardball. And I came out here to L.A. Oh, wait a minute. Yeah, it was a baseball show. I remember. Jim Brewer was in the pilot with me. Mike Starr from Goodfellas was in it.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3627.932

You look like a man. Thanks, Joe. I like you more this way. Great. Hide those things from people. You shouldn't be able to look at yourself. It's bad for you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3641.237

It's just like reading the comments. Don't do it.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3651.66

What about John Larroquette? Are you ever going to get to that? We'll get to it.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3704.172

That's my theory. That's a very good theory. I think that's dead on.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3708.553

Make sure you do the audio yourself.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3722.13

Yeah, we were having a conversation. You showed it to me in the Comedy Store green room, in the green room in the main room. You were telling me the struggle you're going through.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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Well, you had this show that you were doing on your own that was amazing. And it's one of those things like South Park, right? Where South Park really works because they can do outrageous shit because you know it's not real. Because they don't even look remotely human.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3750.121

You, when you were doing the face swaps with, like, cell phone technology, you know, like... what everybody can use, it was obvious. So something funny about it being clearly not Bill Maher. It was clearly Kyle Dunnigan. It wasn't Kim Kardashian. It was Kyle Dunnigan. It was the way you were doing it was super obvious. Then the Comedy Central thing came along like this. To get a beard.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

377.924

Bruce Greenwood, who was in Star Trek. He's been in everything. He's a great actor. He was in it. He was like the older pitcher that was like my nemesis. Terrible show. Terrible show. Like so bad. I think I saw that guy.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3798.574

Wet your wessel, baby. If you want to put on a good one, put the good one where she... What happened to her vagina? I forget what it was. Yeah. But they were all talking about something happened and she's... She shoved a baby in her pussy.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3871.197

But the fact that that's obvious made it better. When they did it on Comedy Central, they used higher level technology.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3888.218

Like, that's an obvious joke. Like, no one's going to look at that and go, what did Caitlyn Jenner say? Like, you look at that and you go, what is this? Like, that's part of the fun of it, is it doesn't look real.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3939.403

Stormy, baby. It was a ridiculous character, though. But it's, like, that's how I knew Comedy Central was doomed. I'm like, if you guys are fucking this up, like, this show, he's giving it to you on a silver platter. Just get out of the way. All you had to do was get out of the way. You were working with Metzger, right? Yeah. Not at that moment.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

394.272

Yeah, it lasted six episodes. And then the other show that I got was News Radio. And it was the only other show I auditioned for. It was just... So I'm so... Everything else I auditioned for was like movies and stuff that I never got. And there was a couple of shows after News Radio was over that I auditioned for that I didn't get. But it was just like... It was so bizarre.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

3959.318

Like... All you gotta do is get out of the way. Just get out of the way, point a camera at it, let him, tell him you're supporting him.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4004.184

Yeah. They couldn't figure out.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4009.627

Well, it's just, it's this weird marriage of comedy, creative people, and then business people, executives. That's the weird marriage. And they, because they've had a few hit shows before, you know, we're producing South Park. But you don't make it. You can't make it yourself. So you have this idea in your head that you're a part of the process. And you've got an eye for creativity.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4036.604

Oh, that's right.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4061.863

It's just people being nice. Most people. The vast majority of people just want to say hi. They like what you do, and it's nice.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4075.651

Was it mostly girls before?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4109.893

no ladies who likes to hear you say yeah baby yeah baby yeah wait till this netflix episode of kill tony oh my god the wildest show that show is like a fever dream wow it's like nothing else is gonna be on netflix like that yeah it was so fun we can't give anything away because it doesn't come out until monday so we don't want to give anything away oh but holy shit was it funny

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

412.239

So when I would go to these auditions for other things, it wasn't that big a deal because I was already on News Radio. So it wasn't like... If I didn't get these things, it was like, this will be okay. But it was like... Still the anxiety of that. I had money and it was still like, oh, this is awful. This whole thing is so stressful and so weird.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4153.53

There's guys that have gone from that show that have real careers now.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4158.394

Guys like Cam Patterson, William Montgomery. These guys are going on the road. They're selling out all over the place. Oh, yeah. People love them. David Lucas. I mean, it's kind of incredible. The fan base is rabid.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4170.726

They're selling out arenas this weekend in Nashville.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4191.688

He's the best at it. There's no one close. He's the best roaster ever.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4197.111

On that Tom Brady roast, he was a fucking savage. Holy shit.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4203.464

That Tom Brady roast was so important to comedy because it was the most watched thing ever in Netflix and it was the most unwoke thing that's ever been on television. Yeah. So it was like it broke the dam.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4216.55

Jeff Ross was great on it. Schultz killed on it. It was great. Schultz. Having something like that was a big moment, you know, like something that's just funny. Like, fuck all these stupid rules. We're talking shit. This is just talking shit. Everybody loves it. I think it seems like it's done.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4235.137

Well, it's not done with some people. They're triple masking right now as they're listening to this. I can't believe this. They're not listening to this. They got a tie-dye mask on the outside. They're kicking a Tesla on their way to the garage.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4260.127

People were doing comedy through masks.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4264.291

That's one of the dumbest fucking things of all time.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4271.155

Stay home. It doesn't matter. It's not helping you. You're breathing into this fucking cloth that's an inch from your face and bacteria is going to accumulate there and moisture and it's probably going to be worse for you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4299.03

Yeah, if someone's got a cold, we all have a cold. That's one thing. You're sharing a microphone with somebody who has the flu?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4309.548

Really?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

431.149

And everybody's so fucked up because you get a bunch of people that desperately want attention. And then you go there to this place where you're surrounded by people who are desperately want attention in Hollywood. And then you have this one moment in front of these people. And they're looking at you like this. Okay, Kyle. Hi. So you're reading for Bobby, correct?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4310.989

Doesn't Eliza do that, too?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4315.351

I think she just released a special.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4325.956

You know what she's on that I love?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4344.092

It's a funny show, man. I can't believe nobody told me to watch it.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4360.86

Why would you watch?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4399.597

He would yell at them. They'd run away. Who knows? Who knows what these two are like?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4409.404

Maybe he's doing that on purpose. Maybe that's a clever move. Let her say crazy shit. Don't check her. Let her come off looking like a nut. Maybe they planned it. Maybe they have a wonderful relationship, and they said, listen, this is not going to sell. She humiliated him. Maybe you're right. It did go viral. Listen, you are going to shut me up, and I'm not even going to comment on it.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4428.215

Plus, I just killed a lady.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4433.579

It's a good way to make you forget. The other good way is you change your gender.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4460.774

You said she was. Please correct yourself. That was back when she was Bruce.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4465.575

Was she always Bruce? What does it say in the Olympics?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4469.556

Can you dead name in the Olympics? Is that allowed? Dead name it kind of went away, huh? Yeah. That didn't work. You can't kick people out of the social square for life because they won't accept this bizarre new thing you're doing. There it is. Bruce Jenner. Still says Bruce. Wow, look how jacked he was.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4489.45

Back then it was he.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4492.913

Nah.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4500.339

You're holding back. Do you work for the government?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4505.756

So terrifically.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4508.957

Are we getting new files, Jamie? Has anything happened?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4512.538

Oliver Stone apparently testified about the JFK assassination. What does he know? How does he know stuff? He knows everything about it. How does he know? He's literally a warehouse of information on the JFK assassination. Before the podcast, during the podcast, after the podcast. He wouldn't stop talking about it. Is it Terrence Howard information? No, it's Oliver Stone. He's a brilliant guy.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

452.554

You know, Bobby's an athlete.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4533.122

Oliver Stone can give you, he could sit down and break down just from recall. And how old is Oliver Stone?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4543.42

Like, complete recall of dates, times, who was involved, who they worked for before this happened, who Kennedy had fired, why they were on the Warren Commission report, what the Warren Commission report's objectives were, who was influencing it, who saw the gunshots in the grass, you know, how did they die in mysterious circumstances. He'd rattle it all off, off the top of his head.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4569.986

He tells Congress to reinvestigate the 1963 assassination starting at the scene of the crime. I'm telling you, man, the movie he did is a great movie. Kevin Costner, wonderful movie. But talking to him about it is where you really freak out. This guy has been studying the JFK assassination forever.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

458.636

Right, okay. Tim here is going to read with you, and Tim could barely read. It's always like some PA. He's probably on ketamine. He could barely read. And you have to pretend like you're having this emotive moment with Tim.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4593.713

You know, no one knows. And until you get all these files, no one's going to know. And even once you get all these files, you're still going to connect dots. And it's not like there's a page. Page 24, Mike did it. Oh, fucking Mike. Yeah, Mike was in the grassy knoll. I told him, shoot that Irish cocksucker. He's going to rob us. No, there's none of that.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4615.449

You're going to get certain details that weren't available before for national security reasons or for whatever. But if they had made some sort of a declaration that Kennedy was a problem that needed to be removed, that would be like as close to a smoking gun as you can get. But they could probably get away with saying things like that in 1963. Yeah.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4637.29

You know, especially like people that worked at, they were doing nutty shit in 63. Like really nutty shit. Like that's the year, the same year as Operation Northwoods. That's the same year. Operation Northwoods was this crazy idea that was drummed up. It was a false flag idea that was drummed up and literally signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Like they gave us a green light.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4663.18

And then vetoed by Kennedy. And what they were going to do is they're going to have a bunch of false flag attacks. Like they were going to blow up a jetliner and they were going to blame it on Cuba. And they were going to arm Cuban friendlies and bomb Guantanamo Bay. They were going to literally kill American citizens. And the idea was do this false flag, blame it on Cuba.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4684.057

Then we have to go to war with Cuba. And Kennedy was like, what the fuck are you doing? No. And then there was the other one, which was the Bay of Pigs. So they informed Kennedy about the Bay of Pigs. Apparently they informed him about it like late in the process. And he denied them air support. So the whole plan of invading Cuba, the Bay of Pigs, was dependent upon air support.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4708.441

They didn't get air support because Kennedy said no to it. So all these people died that didn't have to die. All these American soldiers died that didn't have to die. And my friend Evan Hafer from Black Rifle Coffee, he had a very good point.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4720.144

He said, if you wanted to look at someone who had a bone to pick, who was like a hardened killer, those guys who got stranded at that beach, those would be the kind of guys that would want to kill Kennedy. There was probably a lot of people that wanted to kill Kennedy. There's probably the mob wanted to kill him because the mob got him in.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4742.095

The whole thing that happened with Illinois, like him winning Illinois, very shaky stuff. Very shaky election. So the mob got him in, and then his brother starts going after the mob.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

475.1

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4753.126

yeah okay fuck face like what kind of deal is this and then you've got he's trying to get rid of the CIA he wants to get rid of all these like he gives that speech about privacy about having these private groups and having secrecy and secret societies have you ever seen that speech about secret societies

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4777.801

It's really creepy. He's talking about how secret societies are repugnant and that he's essentially calling out the shadow government. He's calling out all these people that are involved in these organizations, literally from like Yale, like the skull and bones that they're all in. All these creepy frat boys join the skull and bones. Then one day they wind up ruling the world. Like it's kind of –

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4801.827

Harry Potter-ish. It's bizarrely on the nose as far as what it is. But he was calling that stuff out in the 60s as well. And then they kill him. And then you don't hear a peep about any of that stuff anymore.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4818.18

Let's listen to Kennedy talk about secret societies.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4821.682

Secret societies.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4825.784

It's a very creepy speech when you think about the fact that they killed him, like, less than a year later, I believe.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

4850.414

Well, we could look at that too. Let's hear it. The speech that killed him about secrecy.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5020.447

Why did we become so retarded? Like, listen to how genius what he's saying is and how eloquently he's describing the problem. People don't talk like that anymore. No, we don't talk like that anymore. And if we did talk like that, people would be like, what did he just say?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5037.893

I understood half of those words. This is 1963. We're dumber now. Oh, yeah. With more access to information than we were in 63.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5050.485

Chat GPT is legal.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5063.152

It is a big problem.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5068.233

Also, if you ask Grok if you were purely evil and you wanted to destroy society, how would you do it? And Grok essentially describes everything that's happening in society.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

51.996

Here we go.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5132.125

Thank you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

515.706

but some people love it some people look man we're comics some people are actors they fucking love it like mcconaughey that fucking dude loves like pouring himself into a role getting psychotic about who the character is that's i wish i if i could go back i wish i looked at those as like someone said this as like an opportunity to perform instead of like i'm trying to get something right i didn't i was just desperate like i had no money i have to get this

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5240.543

Thank you. Thank you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5300.512

Thank you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5356.155

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

541.417

I will say, though, if you're on a sitcom that has really good writing, it's fun as shit. News radio was fun. You said you just got it. How did you just audition for it?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

548.942

I had a development deal with NBC, and I was going to do my own show, but they had a sitcom that they were already greenlit, and Ray Romano was on it, and Ray was the maintenance guy, and Ray got fired during the pilot, which is the best thing that ever happened to him. He goes on to do Everybody Loves Raymond, and it's fucking huge, bigger than news radio ever was.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5506.118

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5550.885

Thank you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5601.169

Thank you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

571.255

So like he gets fired and another guy got hired and then he got fired. So I didn't feel bad because I'm friends with Ray.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

58.75

That was back when sitcoms were sitcoms.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5824.859

And he let them film him, and he kept it together while the cameras were on him, for real?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5828.741

You ever think maybe they just set that up because it's stupid?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5841.708

This is so fake. This is TLC. I love that.

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This is like those people that eat toilet paper. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he loves it. Nah, I don't believe it. Unless he's got like a real brain injury. That's good. He got hit by a line drive when he was six. I've never seen a follow-up on this, but I don't remember what it was. Objectophilia. Oh, boy. It's a disease, Joe. These people have diseases.

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585.14

I don't know what it was. It's like you never know what they want. Like when Paul, the guy who created it, Paul Sims, is this brilliant guy who worked on fucking Larry HBO. Larry Sanders. Larry Sanders. Thank you. He worked on Larry Sanders. He was a brilliant, brilliant guy. And he did a very clever thing like in the auditions. Yeah. The first audition I read for, it wasn't funny.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5861.494

I think that's a problem, having too many names for stuff, like narcolepsy, you know? I agree with you. Narcolepsy we need a name for. Just figure it out. The people that were saying like dyslexia, figure it out.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5872.476

Stop falling asleep. Stop reading backwards.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5882.562

Everybody wants ADHD. That's a weird one. Some people say that's not a real thing.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5899.275

Nice way to meet the ladies.

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5911.358

Well, look, if you want things that are extraordinary, you need people that are on the spectrum. Like, that's a fact. That's one thing we should thank vaccines for. There's a lot of fascinating people that have come out of that spectrum. A little lead paint here, a little fucking pesticide there.

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5930.481

Next thing you know, you got some inflammation and some really good math.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5955.415

And that was my lunch. Microplastics.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

5963.858

Fluffernutter sandwich.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6013.142

At least you got peanuts. And the Snickers.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6021.75

It's a great snack to take when you're hiking. I found one in my car. Lord Sandwich was a very conversant gambler. What's a conversant gambler?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6034.68

Story goes, did not take the time to have a meal during his long hours playing at the cards table. Consequently, he would ask his servants to bring him slices of meat between two slices of bread, a habit known amongst his gambling friends. Wow. So he just wanted to eat quick.

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6048.847

Wow. No one thought of that? I guess, yeah. Just because he's a gambling. So he's a degenerate.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6063.698

Yeah, baby coin. Yeah, baby coin.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6069.94

You ever thought about making a coin? It's zero. Anybody can do it now.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6077.362

Good way to rip people off.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6079.894

We thought about doing it, but we were like, what does it do? What can you buy with it?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6085.941

Kurt Metzger said it best. He's like, it's just fucking gamblers. They're gambling addicts. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6091.808

That's what the crypto coin thing is. It's a bunch of gambling addicts. And they're all gambling on these meme coins.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6096.872

And they're making money. Some of them are making money. And there's shifty deals and pumping dumps.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6103.135

But it's kind of legal. It's weird. The whole thing's weird.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

611.874

Like on purpose. They wanted to cut out all the people who were hamming it up. I was like, oh my God, this writing is nothing. So I'm like, I don't know what this is. So like, you know, NBC asked me to go in and read for it. I memorized this stuff and I was like, I don't even know what I'm saying. This doesn't make any sense. So I go in and I do it. It's like real flat. And I say, thank you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6111.558

How's that Trump coin doing? Not good? I think Bitcoin is... Oh, is it because of the economy? So, are you paying attention to all this tariff stuff? You're not.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6145.421

It's dropping.

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6154.148

$75.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6165.166

$2 billion. Still? At $9? So that's what it's worth now. Does that mean all the Trump coins are worth $2 billion? Is that what it means?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6173.335

Collectively. So that was worth like $40 billion. Look at the big spike in the beginning and then a bunch of people like, sucker! That is a total... That has to be what happened, right? Like how many people sold...

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6186.287

So there's two... How many days is it? Scroll your thing over there. How many days do you have? You have hours. You have hours before a giant drop-off. Look at that. You have 12 hours, and then by Sunday, the 19th, it drops radically.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6204.977

But look at that first 12 hours. That... Is crypto coins. That's meme coins. Not like Bitcoin, not like Ethereum, but like that is a meme coin. That first thing, that explosion, that's what I expect. It's garbage. That's what I expect. But I also, I support it. Why not? Yeah. You could do that.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6223.162

Like, look, if you can go fucking play cards, if you could figure out a way to three card money people on the streets of New York.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6258.911

But you made it.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6261.994

So why'd you stop playing? Was it too much? It was a waste of time.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6284.842

Ari was doing it in the early days of his comedy career. He was making money doing that.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6288.883

That's how he'd make a living. He'd play in tournaments.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

629.043

And all of a sudden I have a callback. And then they send me the callback sheets and it's hilarious. And I was like, oh, whoa.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6296.885

He would go to those card casinos that were out in California, like Bellflower.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6307.508

You were there a lot, huh?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6313.564

Well, for Ari, that was literally how he made a living when he wasn't making a living doing comedy yet.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6318.97

He was that good. And he's like really, Ari's very disciplined. Organized. Like he doesn't do anything stupid.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6332.952

Yeah, you have to understand how many cards there are. If you have this, there's different guys. You see the cards are on the table. You have to do calculations.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6349.252

Read people's minds, knowing their bullshit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6364.916

What time did you leave the house?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6368.077

Daytime or nighttime, though? That's important, because it takes four hours to get there.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6399.874

And- For a lot of people, I think.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6403.515

It cracked quite a few people.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6405.135

Especially the most vulnerable amongst us. You know, a lot of comedians are like very kind of socially awkward already. You isolate them.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6418.159

I'm not thinking about you at all. But there's some of us that just kind of never came back from it.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6433.811

Maybe after this show, the calls will start coming in.

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6437.133

Yeah, baby.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6441.036

After the Netflix thing, they might, but they want to- No, I don't think I'm recognizable.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

645.469

You're good at that. That's really good. I've seen a lot of those guys. So they wanted to avoid that. And so then, you know, they had a callback. And it was just like me and two other guys. And these two other guys look like they just got back from Vietnam. They were sweating. They're fucking blushing.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6454.364

Don't say anymore, because we don't want to give anything away.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6457.726

Because it comes out on Monday.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6460.467

This comes out tomorrow.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6462.677

Yeah, so we can't do that.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6467.538

Hang in there.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6473.14

Game changer. Yeah. No, it was phenomenal. The crowd. It's so real. The show is so real. It's like seeing people kill, seeing people bomb, seeing people have great moments.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6484.603

It's the best thing for comedy. Because it gives comics, like, there's a real career path now. If you could bang out a solid minute on Kill Tony, you'd get into the ecosystem.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6524.264

You can't say shit.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6532.071

No, they didn't know it was going to be on Netflix.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6537.274

When they found out it was the first ever show on Netflix, they went nuts. The eruption in the room was amazing.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6546.179

And having that show at this club every week, it's incredible. It's so good for comedy.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6566.003

Yeah, I didn't think I knew what I was doing. I was like, I'd bet against me. Good luck doing that. But it was like all these things, it's almost like the universe wanted it to be made because it couldn't have been made with just me. It's just like if it was just me and some money, you can't make that club. You need all these pieces.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6585.099

It's like you have to hit every green light and you could never bank on it. You have to have a pandemic. It has to get shut down. You have to live in a ridiculous place like L.A. where they won't let the comedy store open for a fucking year and a half. So people are unemployed. I can snatch those people up. I just happen to get a big pile of money from Spotify. I moved to this new city.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

660.154

pale in the face that makes you confident right when you see someone nervous you're like okay super confident i looked at these guys like oh they can't handle pressure and i sat back in the couch and put my feet up on the coffee table like a dickhead yeah you did yeah well i was waiting we're in the waiting room i was looking at these guys panicking and i was like that's just us yeah yeah i got this i had just like a sketch show one of the rare things i got

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6602.528

A bunch of other guys start moving to this new city. And then all of a sudden we have like 15, 16 top comics living in the city. Yeah. This is why it can work. A bunch of things Ron White had already be here. He kind of lured me here because before the pandemic, he moved here. And he was telling me how great it was. I fucking love it. I fucking love Austin. I was like, really? Texas? I don't know.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6624.424

And I was like, I don't know if I could live there. But then when the shit hit the fan and we started doing shows in Texas and putting it on Instagram, then all these guys were like, fuck that. I'm moving to Texas. And the next thing you know, Segura is here. Christina Pazitsky is here. Tim Dillon is here. It's just like Shane Gillis. It's like it came back. Duncan moved here.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6642.717

It just came in this wave. Brian Simpson. Brian Simpson was here early, early on, way before the club. We were doing shows at the Vulcan, and we were all talking about making a club. But to fucking actually do it is the weirdest thing. When you go there, it's part of this weird illusion that you're living in. It's weird fucking...

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6690.047

I know you hate the cold of winter.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6727.447

For sure. You'd be around more like-minded people, and you get to understand the journey of Brian Holtzman. I need to read up on him. You need to watch him. Yeah. Yep. There's a lot of clubs here, too. That's the beautiful thing about this place. You can get up anywhere here in town. There's so many clubs. It's hopping, like, every night of the week.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6765.553

They have great shows there all the time. A lot of the guys from the club do shows over there. They do it all the time.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6771.319

It's like that and then Brian Redband's room, The Sunset, which is right down the street. That's only like four or five doors down. And that place is packed all the time. That place is killer.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6787.934

It's like a finely oiled machine.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6795.159

Yeah. He knows the rhythm of it.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6806.846

Well, it needed years and years of development. This is the thing, they did that show once a week for a decade. A decade, they never missed an episode. They did it during the pandemic with no crowd.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6821.411

Yes, yes, they did Kill Tony in the main room with no crowd. They live streamed it. Oh, right. Bro, they never let go. They're like a pit bull on a sack of nuts, just clamp and then never let go. And now it's enormous. That episode where Adam Ray played Joe Biden and Shane Gillis played Trump, I think that has like- It's like 25 million. No, way more. Really?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6849.44

I think it's like 60 million people have watched it on YouTube. That's crazy. How many people, Jamie?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6856.083

Nailed it. I lied.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6865.126

Because I was told it was like 60 million people watched it.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6869.528

But if you think about all the clips on top of that, I mean, it's a giant show now. I think a lot of also there's... Damn, it's only 25 million? Why did I think it was more? Maybe he's adding multiple ones where those guys were on together. Yeah.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6891.724

Yes.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6901.514

Also, with Kill Tony, you're literally getting crazy people and giving them a microphone for that. I know. Some of those people are out of their fucking minds. Half of them are homeless.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6911.937

Half of them are sleeping in their car.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6913.858

A lot of them drove from Seattle. One guy, well, I don't want to say the story.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

6920.48

Just let it simmer. What about that Larrakat story? Now's the time. It's the time?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

696.833

Well, they all get canceled.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

70.997

You know what's underrated that I really never gave a chance?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

701.616

Most of them never make it to a second season, and definitely most of them never make it to syndication. They go a few episodes, and then they get canned. I was on, go ahead. No, I'm just saying, if the production company's not making money, the network's not making money, it's not getting ratings.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7049.793

You can go home is the most fucked up way to tell someone they're fired.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7055.757

Okay, I can go home.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7100.448

And then I was like, this ain't the stuff. These motherfuckers. These motherfuckers. Do you mess around with nootropics, though? There's a lot of good ones out there.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7113.677

It's these things. This is Neuromints. This is the same company. They make mints. Neutropics? No, it's like theanine, caffeine, a bunch of... It's essentially nutrients that help brain function. So it helps with your memory. It helps with your verbal memory, like to be able to read. Sometimes you're searching for a word, you can't find it. This stuff helps with that. Helping you read.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7135.976

Yeah, not just this. I mean, it probably would. I think it's just it helps. It's the building blocks for human neurotransmitters, as it's been explained to me. Like there's certain nutrients that like, you know, like vitamin D. It helps muscle synthesis. It helps a bunch of things. It helps your immune function. There's a bunch of nutrients that do different things in your body, right?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7156.896

And theanine is a really good one for memory, right? There's a bunch of alpha choline. Was it alpha GPC choline? Is that what it is? Acetylcholine. There's quite a few different nutrients that have been identified as to helping brain function. And so the way I found out about this stuff, there was Bill Romanowski, the football player. He has a company. He's got really good stuff.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7183.12

It's called Neuro One. And it's like a scoop. You just mix it in water and blend it up or whatever. And I tried. I was on a radio station in San Francisco and they gave it to me. I was like, this is great. Where can you get this? It really does give you a little pick-me-up. But not like five shots of espresso. It's just like a little edge of focus.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7222.689

You'll probably go to sleep a bunch of times in class.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

724.105

2003.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

724.325

And a big year for me.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7241.54

26.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7243.301

You look great. Just go slowly. That's my advice. Don't try to go too fast, especially if you have been working out hard. Have you been working out hard?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7254.591

So that means, you know, your joints are not going to be the most resilient. Don't try to do it all at once. That's my thing. By the way, that's with everything. If like, I'm going to run a marathon tomorrow. Hey, hey, hey. Have you ever run before? No, I don't run at all. Right, right, right. Okay. Let's not run a marathon. Let's run a mile. Let's do one mile, which is a lot if you haven't run.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7276.202

A mile is a lot. If you do not run, a mile is a lot. But you can't just run a marathon. And if you're going to do jiu-jitsu, start slow. Don't try to do a two and a half hour session. I'm going to roll with five guys today. Learn an arm bar. Learn how to tap. Okay, this is a triangle.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7299.139

Everyone's going to do it that way. Nobody teaches you flying triangles the moment you get into the class. They teach you beginner stuff like this is the mount, this is side control, this is the guard. They teach you simple basics. It's good for confidence, too, I hear. Oh, yeah. You can fight. It'll help a lot. It does.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7316.365

But also, it's great for stress relief because no matter what your day is, it will never be as stressful as some dude mounting you, trying to choke you unconscious.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7326.608

this is now if you fight that off and then you're done with your class like regular stuff is like whatever right some crazy homeless guy man fuck you be like fuck you too bye take care you don't want to you know you don't even want to be in any you don't have this desire to puff your chest out like a lot of people do it's like stop now you're proud of me for doing this now you're about to be not proud of me ready okay it's girls class

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7351.417

It's all women's jiu-jitsu.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7356.2

You're a woman. You're not going to get a boner.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7374.209

I like pickleball.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7378.492

It's the only time I've ever let you guess. Every time I jump in.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

74.799

Big Bang Theory.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7406.018

He's got a trainer. He's probably teaching him. I bet he's a pickleball wizard now. He probably knows how to do the secret moves.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7420.329

I can't believe you're calling him out like this on my show.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7422.791

I don't think he's got it in him. He brought Bill Maher to the White House. I have that underwear on. He brought Bill Maher to the White House and they had dinner with the president.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7434.322

I hope so. I hope so. I'm scared of this tariff stuff because it's radical change. I'm scared of radical change.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7456.984

It's always a possibility. Also, you're not nearly as charming if people can't speak your language. Like, Trump is used to being able to charm people. He's very charming. But if you can't speak his language, you're like, fuck this orange asshole. You know what I mean? Like, I don't even know this guy. What is he saying? And someone has to tell you what he said?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7473.135

Like, it's not cute when Boris Yovanovitch has to translate in your ear. It doesn't translate.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7515.566

Yeah, that's a tough one. When people ask me if they don't know who I am genuinely, the easiest one to say is I do commentary for the UFC.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7526.39

Because if I say podcast.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7530.072

It's nice. Every now and then I get a person who doesn't know who I am, like some old fella. Oh, an old fella.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7535.334

What do you do, Sean? I do commentary for the Ultimate Fighting Championship. And then they look at you sideways like, what?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7550.429

But if I want to have a conversation with someone, if I don't mind having a conversation with them, I just don't want to explain the whole thing.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7559.679

That's a job. You have all the great jobs. I have all the great jobs. But that's the only job I have. That's an actual job where someone pays me. I show up. I work for somebody. I'm an employee. I sign up.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7576.829

I'm not looking to do anything.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7590.575

20-hour- I've been obsessed with the pyramids since I was like a little boy.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7597.117

And if I went, I'd hopefully be able to get someone to guide me, like a really good person. I could guide you. You know how to do it? Could you do it as Caitlyn Jenner though? Yeah, baby.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7608.88

He was buried with his dog. Have you seen this whole controversy that they think that there's these enormous structures? What is that? I don't know, but there's a guy named Jimmy Corsetti. He has this great YouTube show called Bright Insight. He's been on my show many times. Very smart guy and very reasonable guy and also is a huge believer that there's a missing chapter in ancient history.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7631.269

He doesn't believe in it. He thinks it ignores something that everyone knows. There's this enormous water table that's underneath the pyramids. So the pyramids, there's water underneath the pyramids. And Mr. Beast, apparently, on his YouTube thing that he did with the pyramids, went into the water. So they were all in the water, splashing around the water. So this water table, yeah.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7652.698

So underneath the pyramids, there's water that flows. That seems unstable to me, in my engineering mind.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7667.405

It's probably a lot more. If I had to guess, I think they're wrong. I think the hieroglyphs that are on the wall that depict pharaohs leading back to 30,000 plus years, it's probably accurate.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7695.018

Well, I was watching this guy.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7697.379

I'll tell you who this guy is because shout out to him because he had a very interesting take on it. I watch a lot of these like silly YouTube videos that are all in like ancient history and ancient civilizations and stuff like that. But this one was really kind of interesting.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7713.679

And this guy is... I'll send it to you, Jeremy. His name is Michael Button, and he had a very good point. And his point is that there's this linear path between, like, cave person and what we are today. But he's saying, but human beings in the form that we exist in today have essentially been around for at least 315,000 years. And there's all these large rise...

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7743.747

peaks and dips in the historical timeline of the temperature of the earth and in these peaks of temperature you have all this growth and change and then you have ice ages and you have drop offs and then there's cataclysms and natural disasters and he brings up the volcano eruption the Toba volcano eruption but what he's essentially saying is human beings in this form with the minds that we have have existed for 300,000 years

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7772.223

Capacity. But yet, only over the last few thousand years have we seen all this progress. And he thinks, what he's proposing is, if there was a super advanced civilization 100,000 years ago, there would be almost nothing left. So we're supposing that what we find is all that's ever been. What he's saying is...

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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If you imagine 200,000 years of development of technology, of tools, of agriculture, all the different things that could have happened in those 200,000 years, that you could have had an insanely advanced society 200,000 years ago, and then it gets completely wiped out, then 115 to 150, depending on who you ask, thousand years later, you start seeing what we've seen in the last few hundred years.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7828.926

No, all they would have, this is what he's talking about. When you have enormous spans of time, all you have left is stone. You have rocks. Where does the steel go? Just disintegrates. It all goes away. It all just gets absorbed by the earth.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7843.754

You know, there's very little metal that is going to, like any forged, like if you have a knife and you leave that knife under the ground, just the earth will erode it. You know, a few thousand years, it's gone.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7858.744

Here, look, steel takes probably 50 to 500 years to decompose, depending on the type and environmental conditions, with stainless steel potentially taking over 1,000 years. So just imagine something that's 100,000 years old. You got nothing. There's nothing left. And so he makes this very interesting argument in this video that I never considered before.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

7878.64

It's just the timeline of human beings being human beings. And he's like, what was it? Why was there this great leap in technology? And it is completely possible that there was great leaps hundreds of thousands of years ago. But then the question is, what happened to us? How did we get so far ahead of all these other creatures? How did we get so far ahead of everything?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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It's a good show. I used to shit on it because I saw clips with, you know how you do retakes?

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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Oh, we have most genes. Most of our genes are chimpanzee genes.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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There's a different culture of stardom versus people that want to be on a show. You're not the equal.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

855.046

If you're auditioning for a show and the guy who has the show is in the room, there's this weird... What is that... Number one on the call sheet is a documentary about black actors. It's not not black actors. It's just actors, period, in general. Like I experienced that a lot in the news radio days with guys who are big movie stars and they would like big time you in the weirdest way.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

86.704

But that's, you know what that is? That's like retakes. When you work on a sitcom, sometimes you have to do pickups.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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Like you couldn't just say hi to them. You couldn't hang out with them. There's a few guys that just like. They were just really gross. And then there was guys like John Ritter, who was like the fucking nicest guy in the world to everybody. Right.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

891.714

Only hear good stories about John Ritter. Nicest guy in the world. Camera people, joking around with the makeup lady, fun. Heart attack.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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Young, man. I know. Fucking young. Before the vaccine. Young. No, he took it.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

906.581

He was such a sweetheart on the set.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

94.847

Oh, you do pickups and nobody knows anymore. Nobody does it anymore.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

940.007

Couldn't you think that studio executives would be wise enough to go, look, we got Louis C.K., we have Cedric the Entertainer, we have a fucking show. Let's figure out a way to promote this correctly. And it was funny.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

975.521

You know, it's like putting together a boy band.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

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You know, like, you have to put together a fake band. Not a bunch of guys who grew up together in Seattle, been playing in the basement. No.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

99.868

Miss Pat is like the only person I know with a sitcom.

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#2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

991.187

Get some good hair. Let them Milli Vanilli it up.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

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Oh, that hat with the gun?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

106.649

That's a dog hair hat. That's dog hair. It's made out of dog hair?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1062.107

Did you run any of it by him? Did you try to talk to him as him?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1273.931

That's crazy. It's just – also – insane that they would let Hunter get in a limousine with the president. Like, just that alone. Like, who, you know, who greenlit that? Who thought that was a good idea?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

13.014

Thank you for doing this. This is a huge honor for me. I'm a giant fan. Forever. Like, since I was a kid. So. Well, are we going?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1378.499

Well, it's still pretty extraordinary that they also got him to agree or at least thought he would agree that he would only talk about football.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1394.705

There's more coffee in this.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

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No, that's everybody's.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

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Black rifle coffee.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1418.491

It's an American company, veteran-owned company made by real coffee nuts that travel around the world and find different blends. It smells good.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1430.659

It's excellent. It's very good coffee. That meeting in the limousine is one of my favorite meetings because you could feel how weird it must have been for Hunter to be sitting in a limo getting a ride with Nixon and they're just talking about football and then they can find common ground.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1554.068

I agree 100%. I think that we're just too tribally divided, and people look at it like it's us versus them. They enjoy the comfort of being a part of a tribe. They lock on to whatever ideologies the tribes support, and then anybody who opposes that is somehow or another the enemy. And it's just a...

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1573.306

It's a division tactic that's been used by the people that actually run the government, the actual world itself. The real people of this world, especially the people of this country, mostly share the same Common core needs you want to be healthy you want to have a good family You want to be able to make a living you want to live in a safe place?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1593.422

You want your kids to be able to go to a good school you want everybody to prosper and have a good time That's most of what life is all this other shit that people get so goddamn caught up in most of it has very little to do with you and You get locked into it like it's 100% of your identity and the next thing you know anybody who opposes you is Hitler and

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1655.748

Right.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

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But you do because you have the ability to express yourself and you're an example. And a lot of times when someone is a very reasonable, intelligent person like you and you express yourself, other people get inspired to maybe reexamine the way they're looking at things.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1780.115

I think that's maybe one of the only things.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1783.378

Because part of our problem in this country is that we're in competition every two years. Every two years you have midterms.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1791.525

We don't get a break. No, we don't get a break.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1794.728

No, we don't get a break. We don't get a break from division. We don't get a break. We don't get a break from propaganda. We don't get a break from new threats. We don't get a break. It's like every day it's a new thing. And it keeps us completely... in this constant state of stress and anxiety and also this fear of being overcome, like your side's going to lose.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1824.893

Yeah, it's very, very stressful, and it's not healthy for human beings to be constantly in this state of competition and stress. And then on top of that, most people are addicted to social media, so you're constantly getting inundated with the worst fucking things in the world all day long, and you're freaking out. It's terrible for you. It's fucking terrible for you.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

183.547

When did you meet him?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1907.148

And the music was so much different than the music of the past.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1911.431

And it was like you go from 1959 to 1969, you're dealing with a completely different dimension. And it's because it was all psychedelically inspired. And that was another thing that the Nixon administration did. They passed that sweeping Schedule I Psychedelics Act, made everything illegal, and just threw water on the whole movement. And then everything changes. Then you have the 70s.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

1932.524

Music starts getting weird. The 80s, it completely falls apart. Cars start looking like shit. People start dressing stupid.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2009

The biggest one's four feet long. The biggest one is four feet long? Yeah, that's what Elon was saying. So can you make a table out of this? You can't make anything bigger than four feet? I don't think so.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2029.123

But that's also because they're better structurally with sand impact. They have these crumple layers and they're designed in a way that makes it safer for you. They're a lot safer than old cars. I fucking love old cars.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2041.212

Yeah, but new cars look great. New cars are awesome. There's a lot of really good-looking American cars, a lot of really good-looking German cars. What happened in the 1970s and the 1980s was a drop-off, a significant drop-off from the 60s. The 60s cars were some of the best-looking cars of all time. Like a 65 Corvette, one of the greatest looking cars the world's ever designed.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2063.788

How was a 62 Corvette?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2065.85

Model one, the first one, generation one. But like, you know, the Camaros and Barracudas, like they made beautiful, wild looking cars back then. And I think a lot of that had to do with just the way creativity was encouraged in the 1960s. It was more free-flowing creativity. The music was completely radical and different. Politics was radical and different. And that's why they passed those laws.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2093.929

They passed those laws to stop the anti-war movement. It was a civil rights movement and the anti-war movement.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2123.056

Well, they probably had a mandate. They gave them a mandate. This is what we're going to do. This is the plan. We're going to lock up all these hippies.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2255.774

I've never heard that, no.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2271.729

Jamie, pull up 2024 Shelby Mustang Super Snake. So there's still some cars. Better yet, Jamie, roll it in here. Just check out what this looks like. There's cars that they make today that are unique looking and look badass.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

23.658

So for me, there's certain people I meet where it's like, whoa, okay. And you're those. You're one of those.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2300.706

I mean, that's a beautiful car, though, right?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2310.993

That's a beautiful car.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2322.701

That's true.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2328.645

Yeah. Yeah.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2335.928

That looks amazing.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2343.292

I mean, if you go back and look at, like, pull up a Boss 429, 1969 Boss 429. This, to me, is the pinnacle of muscle car design, is the Boss 429. Like, that is just spectacular. That's pretty good.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2358.701

Look at that.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2365.144

68.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2477.663

I'm so glad you brought that up because it's... It's one of the things that I love about that movie and Le Mans, another great Steve McQueen movie, is that he had these moments. And you could do that in a movie back then where no one was talking for minutes and minutes at a time.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2497.504

It's just you're taking in this story, but it's very compelling. And sometimes there's not even any music, right? Like in Le Mans, the whole first part of it, there's no talking at all for quite a while. It's just like you're getting the sounds and the feeling of being this race car driver and he's driving his 911 down this country road. Yeah. And it engrosses you in a different way.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2523.139

It pulls you into the story.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2536.536

Which one's that?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2565.421

Like really drive. Like you could really flip one of these fucking things if you're driving like him.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2578.654

With a movie star who doesn't even have a seatbelt on probably.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2587.503

But that was cool. He was like the archetypal movie star. He was a movie star. That guy was a movie star. There was something about him that was compelling. He lived his life in a sort of wild, renegade way and drove race cars and he was a man's man. And when you saw him in a movie, you believed it.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2692.756

Yeah, well, he would just draw you in in all of his films. It was just different. It was a different presence on screen. Here's that guy. Sawed-off rifle.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2727.973

I didn't know it existed until right now. What kind of a citizen are you? I'm a little younger. That's all it is.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2845.797

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2985.234

Don't.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

2993.839

Yeah.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3002.681

Did you say Benicio?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3044.512

A dark tale of espionage followed a strained father-daughter relationship with a family business.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3106.508

Yeah, that's a Great Dane.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3180.32

How do you pick things to do now? Like you've done so much. You've had this insane career.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3191.685

No, it comes out tomorrow.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3223.386

We'll play the trailer. I wasn't... There you go. Slap some headphones on. Oh.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3366.302

That looks fun.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3384.665

Should we not have seen the trailer?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3393.871

I love a movie where I don't get to see the trailer.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3486.954

My kids are teenagers now.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3489.416

I used to. I used to.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3492.417

I could tell you all about Ni Hao Kailan.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3586.405

So a lot of it's based on relationships and people that you trust and know.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3609.66

That's awesome. So that's it. I love that.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3613.101

God, that's such a great feeling when you trust someone that much and you're so enthusiastic about working with them.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3666.853

Yeah. What was it like working on Kingpin?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3737.254

Yeah. Well, it comes off in the film. The film is so fucking funny. It's so good. And it's one of those films, like, if you tried making that today, it would be an uphill trudge.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3790.916

It could be hours long today.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3826.619

It was a sitcom we did together.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3830.442

It was 94 to 99. I played the sort of like the maintenance guy in this radio station. And Phil was like the lead anchor. Yeah. Yeah.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3854.175

Well, he's got that crazy voice, right? Oh, he was great. Yeah. We became really good friends. He was a wonderful guy. We actually played one of his clips the other day. We had to take it out of the show, but it was a clip from SNL that you could never play today about a doctor who decided that every child was female and he had to do operations on all of them. And we were like, holy shit.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3876.992

Holy shit. And it's like 90% of his births involved in operation had turned into a girl. They were all girls. That's funny. It was insane.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3920.133

Yes, he did. Well, he was a guy who made it late in his career, you know, late in his life. So he was before he was an artist. We have one of his albums out there in the other room. He was a musician? No, an artist.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

3933.358

Well, he was a musician as well.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

3942.223

It was a cover of an album that he drew.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

3945.625

Yeah. He was an illustrator. He was brilliant, like really, really good. Oh, I'd love to see that. And then he was on Pee Wee's Playhouse. Yeah.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3955.286

That guy was fucking great, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

3966.314

Who was his lady sidekick?

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3981.709

All right. Lynn Marie Stewart.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

3990.155

So I think Phil, because of the fact that he made it late in life, like he was just so happy to be there. Yeah. He had. I mean, I think he was like 37 or something when he got SNL. You know, so it's like it's the point where a lot of people start thinking, hey, this is never going to happen for me.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

4037.621

Yeah, I miss him terribly. That was a crazy one because I knew the whole family. I knew the wife. I knew the whole situation. He had tried to divorce her a few times, tried to leave a few times, and always went back.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

4056.532

Yeah. I mean, he was – Very unusual guy. And what a fucking professional. Like, he would make me feel like I wasn't doing enough. Like, he'd have, like, all of his scripts would have tabs for all the scenes that he was in. And then he'd have notes underneath each thing. And everything would be organized. He had a three-ring binder he would put the script in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4076.585

He would hole punch the moment he got the script. What? Put it in the three-ring binder. Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4196.593

Well, it's a tight show. They've been doing that show for so long. Like their muscles are like very developed. You know, their comedy improvisation muscles. They're just so sharp. When you do a show like that on the road constantly, like you develop a sort of feel for how to improvise and how things can go. Yeah.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

4248.472

You should definitely go see it if they're coming to you. Dave Foley, who was on Kids in the Hall, he was also on NewsRadio.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4256.74

He played the manager of the station who was in charge of writing and filming. Stephen Root from Office Space and a million other things. Andy Dick, Maura Tierney, Vicki Lewis, Candy Alexander.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4273.566

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4274.446

So that was the show. So it ran five years. Yeah. Well, around four years, and then Phil got killed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4282.649

John Lovitz, who was a good friend of his, took his place. Well, not take it over, necessarily. It was a real ensemble. I mean, Dave was really the main star. Dave Foley was. But it was just, you know, for whatever reason. I think the John Lovitz ones were really funny. They were really good. But it was just... It's just different funny. It was just the end of the line.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4303.338

The show was over and it got canceled after the fifth year.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4326.706

Is it the longest running show ever on television?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4334.134

Certainly the longest running show that's actually entertaining. I mean, SNL's been around for so long. Don't tell Al Roker that, buddy. Can I take a break for a second?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4356.087

No, no. Really? No, no, no, no. It's personal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4371.833

So what it is is he went to the White House and he met Nixon.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4389.761

He gave Presley a gun badge. Because Presley would talk shit about all these guys who were doing drugs. Meanwhile, he was high as fuck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4402.907

What was the physical pain? What was wrong with him?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4423.786

And they got him hooked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4426.729

But it's just hilarious that he was the drug guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4547.618

There it is right there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4585.848

That guy's great. He was great as Dracula too. Yeah. That whole Nixon-Watergate story, I used to think about it very differently until Tucker Carlson broke it down for me. Bob Woodward was an intelligence agent, and the first time he ever gets a job as a journalist, he's covering Watergate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4602.518

The FBI, all the people that were involved in the break-in, FBI people, it was a complete intelligence operation. Nixon definitely did the things they accused him of, but the whole thing was sort of coordinated by the intelligence agents to get Nixon out of office. Apparently, what the story was... I could play you the Tucker thing if you'd like to see it.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

462.083

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#2282 - Bill Murray

4623.884

But apparently what the story was, it sounds crazy. But the story was that Nixon was digging into who killed JFK. One of the things that they wanted to set up when he was running for president is to make sure that Gerald Ford was his vice president. Gerald Ford was also on the Warren Commission. He was digging into it, and they wanted to remove him from office. They set this up. They framed him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4650.248

He did it. They got him out of office. Gerald Ford gets in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4662.978

Oh, I'm a fan of Belzer. I've met Belzer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4676.769

But my question is, what the fuck is going to be in there? Good call, allegedly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4680.755

It's not going to be, hey, this guy did it. Here it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

4751.32

No, I'm not defending Nixon in any way, shape, or form. In fact, I talked about Nixon before that I think he's the problem with the whole psychedelics drug legalization act in 1970.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

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#2282 - Bill Murray

4869.495

Well, once you see it from something that you know, you know, once you see propaganda or bullshit from someone that you know, and you see a distorted perception, it really, it opens your eyes to the fact that a lot of the things you read are horseshit.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

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#2282 - Bill Murray

5116.224

No. But you can get away with things a lot more back then when he wrote that book as well. You know, so there's no other venues for people to express themselves. Back then it was like he writes the book. He does the interviews for the book. This is the narrative.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

5140.063

Yeah.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

5147.247

That must have been a magical time.

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It's a giant Applebee's. It's a giant Applebee's with huge ads, giant LCD ads.

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Like, it's very rare for you. It's preferable.

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That had to have been a fucking bizarre experience.

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But you have figured out this way of navigating life where, like, you're not a cell phone guy. You probably don't even have email, do you?

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What was the adjustment like going from being broke to all of a sudden having money, being famous, living in New York City, trying to make sense of this new reality that you live in?

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Nice.

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I'm excited.

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Thank you very much.

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Yeah, I'm good. Thank you, though. Jamie's a gigantic golfer.

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But you've managed to stay blissfully detached in some sort of way.

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Huh? The tartan is a special to your family? Yeah, that's the Murray tartan. Really? Yeah. Nice.

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Guitars. Well, there's guitars on it.

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There's a drum.

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Perfect. Black shorts, dark blue shirt. You're in. You can pull that off. Way to go high for that one. When you stomp Tony Hinchcliffe in this inevitable match, you'll wear that. It'll be perfect. There's that.

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So Caddyshack must have been a lot of fun for you then.

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But one of my favorite things you did with Hunter was when it was a feeling of some sort of a documentary or something or is in a documentary. The footage is and you're going around trying to convince people that Nixon got a bad rap.

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So you started off caddying.

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When did you start playing?

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No, I'm scared of it because I think it will eat up all my time because I get addicted to games.

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Yeah. I play pool a lot.

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I got a couple pool tables here.

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I got one at home. Yeah.

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The thing about it is I know everybody who plays golf gets fully addicted to it and loves it to death. And I just don't have the time to get fully addicted to another thing. And, you know, just being friends with Jamie and seeing Jamie's addiction over the last few years, he's become a maniac. He's got a golfing simulator in the back and drives balls. Oh, yeah. A Trackman? It's in here? Yeah.

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Wow. Yeah, he has it set up in the garage. Do you live here? Do you guys live in this building?

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It's a big building, but we don't live here. We could. We definitely could. Maybe that's the next one. Maybe the next one will set up dorms.

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Yeah.

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Well, you're an interesting guy.

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Right, right. And what is it about their writing that helped you? Like what is their philosophy that helped like steer you more towards being able to do that?

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Well, there's a great joy in things that take you away from the rest of the world because they require so much of your attention. That's what I get out of pool and that's what I get out of archery too. I practice archery. But there's things that require so much focus while you're doing them and you have to be in your body. You have to be synchronized.

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It's very challenging because you're supposed to have as little movement as possible upon the execution of the shot. So there's all these strategies.

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No, I love watching it. I watch it on YouTube all the time. There's these Las Vegas shootouts where they have three targets and they have 30 different shots. So they're trying to get an X shot. 30 different times, and they're standing next to the best archers in the world. Everyone's at probably like 20 meters, and they're all just focusing, like dead still, completely calm, focusing, focusing.

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Where do you find that? Oh, you can find it – like go to Lancaster, Archery, Vegas, and they have what they call a Vegas face. So a Vegas face is three targets.

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No, you definitely don't. People bring binoculars. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. All the archers have binoculars, and they all pull them up after each shot because they're looking for precise distances. And then they'll make slight adjustments on their scope and their sight and move. And then they'll take a breath. So do you have one of those Massivo?

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Well, actually, it became a common phrase. Yeah. People use it all the time to this day, probably not even knowing the origin. That's right.

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So these guys are all on this line and they're all firing. And the amount of pressure is insane because really the guy who makes money out of this thing is the guy who wins first place. Everything else is not so good. There's not a lot of money in archery.

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It is like about 60 guys. Yeah, not a lot of audience, right? Yeah, it's not a crowd pleaser. So this is just for real, complete archery fanatics who are absolutely lost in this connection between your mind, your body, and the flight of the arrow, the mystical flight of the arrow.

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Yeah.

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Well, we're catching this in mid-draw.

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Yeah, see that guy that you were looking at who was like that? This guy Brazier on his back. Watch. He'll settle. So he'll draw. And as he draws, he arches back. And now watch, he'll settle forward. See, he was settling as the angle changed of the camera shot. But they want to ideally be about 50-50. And you're just staying calm, keeping it as steady as possible.

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Is that guy in the wheelchair shooting too? Yes, yes. There's a guy that shoots with just his feet. the guy who doesn't have arms, and he's unbelievably accurate.

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Yeah, he shoots with his toes. So what these guys are doing is it's just a perfect balance of technique and focus and attention, and they're actually trying to get what's called a surprise shot. They're not...

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executing the shot like you would like a rifle trigger most of these guys use what's called a hinge and so that's what they're going for they're looking for it so with a hinge you don't you don't make the hinge you don't make the release go off like with a button where you press a button it's just a rotation of the handle and you don't know when it's going to go off so you draw it back you're not like letting go with your

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fingers?

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No. You have a metal release in your hand that has a hook and the hook is attached to a sear.

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It breaks. And so the hook breaks.

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Like that guy with the yellow and black, that guy. So he's got a thumb trigger. So what he's doing is he's setting the trigger, the barrel of the trigger, right where his thumb is. And he's just using the pulling of his arm to make it go off. He's not executing it with his thumb. Now, there's a small...

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Yes, but their arms all fly backwards. If you see how their arm moves backwards, that's indicative of a surprise shot. That means they're executing it perfectly. So the surprise is that they don't know when it's going to go. Exactly. They're just executing the technique, which is the pull with the back muscles. You're pulling with your rhomboids. and then it slowly goes off.

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See like that guy with the hat, the black hat? Watch. See his fingers, how it's curling? See how it goes off? So that's just from his hand curling that's making the shot go off.

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Yes.

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But the idea is if you think about it going off and you make it go off, there's some sort of a recoil. So there's some sort of an anticipation of that recoil. And when you're shooting that precisely, that anticipation of that recoil might make a difference of an inch or two left or right.

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When you are doing that, you do not think about anything else. It clears your mind. When you are just concentrating on that target, you cannot think about your bills. So you do it.

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Yes, but it doesn't come in your head. It can't. It's too hard. The process of aiming is so engrossing when you lock in place and you're aiming and then you're pulling back with the shot. You're all in. You're all there. Especially if you're good. If you're good, that is the only thing you're thinking of. And there's a moving meditation aspect to it, a cleansing of your mind.

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Your worries go away. Your thoughts, the things that are bugging you, and I got to do this, and I got to call that guy back, and all of it goes away. Because it's so engrossing. It requires so much of you.

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incidental thoughts that pop in well it's just the difficulty of it yeah yeah the difficulty of it actually sort of facilitates your meditative mindset because if you're going to do it right there's no other way to do it you you literally can't be thinking about other things while you're doing it well it's it's not unlike golf like if you're thinking about what you're going to pick up on the way home exactly you're not going to hit a good goal same as pool

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When I play pool at a pretty high level, I bet that book would be very beneficial to me. I bet there's some techniques and strategies of how to focus yourself and completely remove yourself from the rest of the world and just think about this mind-body connection and the execution of this thing that you're trying to do.

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Do you remember his name?

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Oh, no. All right.

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Okay. You want to wrap it up? We can wrap it up.

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All right. Take a leak and come back. All right. I keep asking them, any suggestions? They say, well, tell some stories. You should never ask for suggestions. So where do you come from? I was born in New Jersey, went to high school in Boston, lived all over the country, lived in San Francisco for a while when I was a kid, Florida. Were you in the military or something? No.

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Mother got divorced, married my stepfather. He was going to school, went to San Francisco for that, and then Florida, and then eventually Boston. Well, that's pretty good.

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Well, I was in San Francisco during the Vietnam War and the height of the hippie days when I was a little kid. It's pretty wild. It was a very interesting time to be there. You know, it was a crazy place. Yeah.

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OK.

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Yeah.

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I really wish I met him. He's one of those people that just really wish I met him.

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Well, it's – But it's not making people live on the street.

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It's still got a lot of extraordinary aspects to it. The problem is they kind of encourage people to sleep on the streets and shit anywhere they want. And they didn't do anything about it.

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Well, they definitely make it financially viable for them to do it. They give them money to do it. Well, that sounds like they're paying them the shit on the street. No, they're paying them so that they don't have to be poor or homeless. I mean they have a tent and they'll help them. They'll subsidize this existence. What they need is more mental health care.

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It's drug addiction and mental health. That's the real problem. And when you don't address it and then you just allow people to camp any way you want, you're almost sort of encouraging mental health problems to be everywhere all throughout and just be throughout the entire city. It's just a lack of empathy for the people.

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If you're empathetic for them, you don't let them just camp out and shit on the street. What you do is you try to say, hey, obviously a real problem. This needs to be addressed for the greater good of the city and for these people. They need mental health care. They need addiction care. They need—it's a real problem that needs to be addressed.

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You can't just leave them out in the street and let them do whatever they want and become a hazard for everybody else. Then it makes the city kind of fucked up.

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Unquestionably. It's all during the Reagan administration when they opened up the mental health institutes and just let people out in the streets.

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Yeah, dead on about so many things. I mean you could take a lot of his commentary on politics from 1976 and apply it easily to today. You know, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail is one of the best books ever on the American political system, just like what it's like when people are running for office.

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Well, it has to be a completely bipartisan thing. We have to look at it in terms of the health of human beings in our community. This country is supposed to be our community. These people that are on the street, they are sad, sick people in our community. And some real effort has to be taken to try to change that instead of just enable them to keep doing it. That's all I'm saying.

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I just don't think that the solution is let them camp wherever they want, let them shit in the streets. You can't argue.

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There's also money in being a problem solver. That's the problem. One of the big parts of the problem in California in particular is that there's an enormous budget to deal with the homeless. So you have these people that work in these departments that are making a quarter million dollars a year that are just working on the homeless problem, which keeps getting worse every year.

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There's no incentive to fix anything or change anything. And it's a bunch of bureaucracy. There's a lot of bullshit that gets involved in the business. A buddy of mine is a lawyer who went to San Francisco and he was disturbed by it all. He was like, this is so crazy. Like, what is missing? Do we need more funding?

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And they're like, no, you know, this guy explained to him, no, they literally have an incentive to keep the homeless problem going. There's an enormous number of people that are making a fantastic living in dealing with the homeless issue.

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Well, there's a giant list of people. We could pull it up if you want to say. We don't need to call them out, but there's a bunch of people.

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The people that are involved in these organizations that are dealing with the homeless, whether it's in Los Angeles or in San Francisco.

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Yes. It's all funded by the state. And there's real jobs, like real money. And nothing gets done. Nothing changes. In fact, it gets worse every year. Something needs to be done that shows results. What is that? I think it's got to be compassionate. It's got to be something that both the left and the right can agree to.

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Frustrating word.

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No, that's not what this person was talking about.

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It's great reading. The movie was fun. Fear and Loathing was fun. It was a great introduction to a lot of people maybe that weren't aware of Hunter. Like maybe then you'll start reading his stuff. Yeah. But it wasn't all chaos and acid and seeing lizard people in the bar. There's moments in Fear and Loathing, the movie, where there's this one thing where Johnny Depp is at the typewriter.

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Which generation is he referring to?

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Yeah. No, I agree. And I think most people get involved, particularly if they get involved in something like homeless or, you know, any charitable organization. Most of the people get involved aren't doing it cynically. They're not doing it to get that big paycheck. Their initial reason for being involved in something like that is to help.

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Is that in the movie or is that in the documentary? Where is that? The typewriter is talking about how the 1960s, there was this great wave of change. Yeah, the high watermark.

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The problem is sometimes when they realize it's just a big clog and you're not going to be able to do any meaningful good, then things get weird. And then you just sort of exist off of this system that's not doing anybody any good. This is his argument about why so many people are working on this and nothing's getting better.

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My friend Coleon Noir. This is my friend who's a lawyer who went to San Francisco and saw all this. And had a conversation with someone who's actually in government in San Francisco and was explaining what the problem actually is.

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There's no incentive. There's no incentive for them to do a better job. And there's a very compassionate perspective in the city. They're very kind people and they don't want to take these homeless people and remove them. And that this sort of suicidal empathy.

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that they have for the people in their city is causing this rash of tents everywhere and crime and you know you can't you have to leave your fucking car unlocked otherwise they're going to smash your windows and it's just that's what his perspective is it's that there's no real incentive to do anything different Because these people are still getting paid to keep it the way it is.

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Oh, that's the local racetrack. That's the Circuit of the Americas where Formula One races. Okay. That's my friend's place. So he gave me that.

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It's not – the amount of money they make is not based on how much good they do. So like if they're financially – if they're incentivized to like you get paid more if more people clean up, seek treatment, get on medication, get to a mental health institution. If you can show some sort of progress, it will affect how much money you get.

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And vice versa, if you have no progress and nothing gets done and the problem actually gets worse, perhaps you're not doing a good job.

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Yeah.

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Oh, my God. Yeah. It's amazing. And when Johnny Depp is saying, the way he's saying it, it's like it's so beautiful and melodic.

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Well, it's a very uniting thing to be all together against a common enemy that is real, like World War II. Like there's a real purpose to life. People understand that this is a very important mission. This is something that, unfortunately, it's one of the best ways to unite people. is a threat from the outside.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

8076.716

Well, that's what happened after 9-11. Do you remember 9-11? Everywhere in L.A., people were driving around with American flags on their cars.

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It was bizarre, but it was also very united. People were together.

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And I think some people actually obviously hated the act of what happened, but loved the way people reacted and how people felt with each other. It did feel different. New York City felt friendly. It felt united. It felt like people were proud to be American. We were all together. There's bad people out there. They did this to us, but we're all together. Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, it's a task.

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Well, it's too easy to ignore. It's too easy to just say, oh, there's the tents. Let's go this way. And the reality is the health of the community, it's dependent upon the health of the lowest members of the community on the social rung. The lowest members are the people that are sick.

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And if you don't take care of them, if you don't take care of the people that are mentally ill, that are homeless, that are addicted to drugs, that are on the street, that are desolate, that don't have friends, don't have love, don't have structure, don't have anything that they can call upon, horrible childhood, the whole deal, if you don't look at them, then your society's sick.

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Because this is the foundation of the society is the people. If you've got a group of people that are part of your community and you're completely ignoring their plight, that's not good for anybody. It's not good for big business. It's not good for the common folk. It's not good for people in the neighborhood. It's not good for anybody. And it's gotten so far because it's so big now.

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The problem is so enormous, it's almost too big to tackle. It's almost like, OK, you're dealing with L.A., you're dealing with 100,000 people living on the street. That's so many fucking people. That's the entire population of Boulder. That's Boulder, Colorado, in tents on the street in L.A. That's crazy. It's almost too big.

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And I talked to Mayor Adler, who was the mayor of Austin at the time when I first moved here. And he had a bunch of plans in place to help the homeless people, and they did an amazing job because it got pretty bad here during the pandemic. I remember there being homeless here, yeah. They got hotels. They put people up. They put together programs. They got people jobs.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

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There's a company that we've had. What is his name? Alan that we had in here. Alan Graham? Yes. from Loaves and Fishes, who I went and visited his community that he set up. He has this community where they build houses for these people. They bought an enormous piece of land outside of Austin, and he sets up work programs for these people, gives them a sense of purpose. It's an amazing place to be.

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They're doing art and selling art. It's wonderful. Yes, it's working.

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I mean, it doesn't work with everybody, but it works with a lot of them. And these people, they have a sense of community. They all live in a safe area. And, you know, we walked around. I brought my kids. We walked around there. It was like the whole thing was really nice. It was really wonderful. It was really cool what he's doing.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

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Well, he's a Christian, like a real Christian, like in the greatest sense of the word. Like he's a guy who really believes in reaching out to people and helping people. This is yeah, this is Alan right here. He's just a wonderful guy, like a really beautiful person and lives with these people. They're his neighbors and they're constantly bringing people in.

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And he has all these different programs that people can sign up for to learn arts and crafts and learn how to sell things that you've made and. It's really cool. And, you know, I mean, he's doing his part. It's small in relation to, like, the problem of San Francisco. But you need people like that that really dedicate themselves to it.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

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It's pretty amazing. It's a pretty amazing place that he's got. And he's expanding it. They're building new ones right now. So there's these small houses that these people live in and they'll have like a community kitchen where they can go and barbecue and grill outside. And there's an arts and crafts center. These people, they make cool chess pieces and they sell them.

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They make paintings and they sell them jewelry. They're doing all these different things and it gives them a sense of purpose.

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Yes. Well, you need more people like him. That's what it is. It's just he's a very unique guy. There must be people like him. There must be. But, I mean, it's a lot. I mean, he lives with them. I mean, he's in the community. He has one of those little houses in this, you know, giant area filled with people. And he's with them for encouragement. And, you know, it's a beautiful thing.

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It sounds really amazing. Yeah. It's beautiful.

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#2282 - Bill Murray

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Should we wrap it up, Bill Murray?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

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No, it was amazing. It's an honor to meet you. I've really enjoyed it very much. And I appreciate talking to you. Thank you. And thanks for the shirt and thanks for the shorts.

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I'm going to wear those.

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Can people buy these?

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Are they available for sale?

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Beautiful.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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That's it. Okay. Well, look at that guy. Look at that. Look at that handsome fucking model. Yeah, that's a model. That's a good-looking fella. Let's get loud.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2282 - Bill Murray

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Well, thank you very much. I really enjoyed it. Same here. Thank you. Enjoyed it. Thank you for having me. Bye, everybody. See you soon. See you soon.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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927.7

God damn, that's good. Yeah. I mean, that is just an amazing piece of writing that so perfectly captured that very strange moment in time where the anti-war, the peace love movement just got drowned out by the Nixon administration.

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Yeah, it is a beautiful piece. And it's just so fucking perfect. It just perfectly... Yeah, he got it. He really got it. Yeah. It just encapsulates that time, you know? And it's just... Thank God there was a guy like him around to document it from...

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#2282 - Bill Murray

987.384

that perspective to like to give you this like insight and that the way he did it with gonzo journalism where he just would have real facts mixed in with fiction you couldn't tell what was what and you had to be in on it to understand what he was doing yeah you had to enter the event yeah to comment on it you had to be a part of it yeah yeah uh you played him i did play him yeah we were talking about it before i loved it right buffalo room yeah we're the buffalo room was that weird to play your friend

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#2202 - Tom Segura

1313.886

No. Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why would she have to? So someone can talk to her. So someone can coach her. I thought they had better earpieces than...

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#2202 - Tom Segura

222.623

And you're like, what are you talking about?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2202 - Tom Segura

2907.114

100%.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2202 - Tom Segura

3179.537

Good point. So I was trying to erase, like, in Major League Baseball from the search if I could.

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#2202 - Tom Segura

3187.583

Fastest in Major League Baseball, it's 105.8.

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#2202 - Tom Segura

3201.946

Yeah, but if you could throw a fastball, you would just be in the major leagues.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2202 - Tom Segura

3205.771

They would pay you a lot of money for that. They would just figure out a way to get you over the plate. Yeah. You only have to do it like ten times and you can make a lot of money. So 105? 105.8, yeah. There's a bunch of – one guy has done it a bunch of times at 105, and a few people have joined him in the 105, but no one's cracked 106.

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#2202 - Tom Segura

3247.081

163 for fastest. What?

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#2202 - Tom Segura

3251.844

Fuck. Yeah, and John Eisner is 157.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2202 - Tom Segura

3262.171

I think you've got to give that about 30 minutes to an hour and then check again.

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#2202 - Tom Segura

4125.662

1,064.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2202 - Tom Segura

4294.928

Why does it have to spin around? Why didn't it just come out the way it needs to? Because it's like, look at my dick.

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#2202 - Tom Segura

4441.8

They said he's worth over $2 billion. Well, there you go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2202 - Tom Segura

4448.184

Yeah. Him and his husband, yeah, his partner.

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#2202 - Tom Segura

4501.974

I think this was probably separate from... I can't remember when that happened on Twitter. I just think someone's adding that in with this video of him in the car. Oh, are they? Yeah. Oh, those dirty bitches. He was around the same time.

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#2202 - Tom Segura

4517.722

It could have been, but I don't think so.

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#2202 - Tom Segura

4538.137

Look at my dick. According to just the quick search, there's various investments through his venture capital firm, including Airbnb, Stripe. Oh, Airbnb was a big one for him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2202 - Tom Segura

4814.735

If it says it's Amarillo, it's all the way up near Oklahoma.

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#2202 - Tom Segura

4818.497

Yeah. Oh, I don't know where Amarillo is. Like the top, tip top.

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#2202 - Tom Segura

4827.6

Let's go, Joe. Let's go.

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#2202 - Tom Segura

89.808

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2202 - Tom Segura

9056.356

Bye, everybody. Check on the baseball stuff.

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#2202 - Tom Segura

9059.899

Just a quick check. Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2202 - Tom Segura

9066.464

Or what was the other one you said? Humidors?

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

10007.11

Yeah. You do have choices, but how much of your choices are shaped by your past, your biology, life experiences? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

10014.677

genetics, you know, how much of it is, you know, there's that argument like Sapolsky makes the argument that that's going to be the one of the things that we look back on in the future as being one of the most preposterous concepts that people attach themselves to is the concept of free will.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

10031.82

And Sapolsky is like he's pretty much a pure determinism guy. And I don't know if that's really true. I feel like it's both. I feel like there's, there are decisions that you can make and you make these decisions and change your life. You can change the life of other people and you know that you can do it and you're doing it through will.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

10053.61

There's something about focusing your energy and your, your desires and your, your life goal, your path to something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

10072.508

I think it's very foolish to pretend that you know, whether it's determinism or whether it's free will. I think it's foolish. I think also there's so many factors to take into consideration to dismiss any of them. Like to dismiss the concept of the simulation I think is silly. But to dismiss the concept of the multiverse, also equally silly. To dismiss this idea that you have no free will.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

10100.04

It's like, I'm not sure. Because there's something you know guides you in a particular direction that you don't necessarily always go with. So what is that? Is that pure determinism? If like sometimes you make mistakes and you recognize you made those mistakes and you recalibrate and then you get to that fork in the road again. You go, I fucked this up before. This time I'm not going to.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

10123.597

This time I'm going to move forward. Is that free will? Because it certainly seems like it to me. And that's not discounting the impact of determinism, which is all the events of your life and your biology. It has to be shared equally. It's a lot of different stuff going on simultaneously.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

10145.904

They want to put a stamp on something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

10149.485

Yeah, they just love to, like, I want to put this in a narrow window of understanding and dismiss all the other things that are contrary.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1015.622

And this is in the 60s, right? This is all, it's so terrifying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

10237.699

It just doesn't always happen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

10242.541

I think it's a factor.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

10263.692

You put your energy and your focus into something and the thing becomes real and you go, oh my God, I manifested this thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

10273.318

But it's also work. For sure. People get this bizarre thing that if you just manifest something that it'll just occur.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

10289.819

julian i've really enjoyed talking to you it's a lot of fun thank you likewise back at you and i really enjoy your photography and the book is available life's fragile moments it's an awesome coffee table sized it's yeah it's heavy photography uh let's do this again sometime man thank you my absolute pleasure my pleasure as well thank you very much all right great bye everybody

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1030.853

The problem with that is if you don't speak up, if no one reacted to any of this COVID-19 stuff, if no one reacted to the Orwellian censorship complex that was established to try to silence people who are critical of the narrative that they were pushing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1050.521

we would all be fucked. You kind of have to pay attention now, unfortunately. I don't want to. I want to just have fun and live my life and be with my family and my friends and enjoy myself. We all do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1069.165

But there's also this part of me that goes, yeah, but this is what the universe provides you with. The universe provides you with this very unique balance of good and evil. And the evil exists to appreciate the good and to motivate the good. No question. And there's always going to be both. It just seems like... And two, we reach some enlightenment until Jesus comes back, until the aliens land.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1099.437

Yeah. What do you do? What's your balancing routine if you feel like you're getting a little sideways?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1149.174

I'm scared of motorcycles.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1161.979

Most certainly. Do you have a loud bike so people can hear it at least?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1190.351

Oh, with like the saddles with the boxes?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1270.484

Can you tell us?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1318.11

Oh, wow. I was just there. You were? I was just there last summer. Oh, shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1323.653

It's really beautiful.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1347.347

Isn't it kind of a tax shelter-y place too?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

136.089

That's scary because it was in a spot that you don't check. You know, it's covered in hair. You don't know what's going on back there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1370.572

Yeah, Dubai has like no income tax, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1378.778

I have a friend who just moved to Dubai. He's American and he's a filmmaker. And he says, I feel so safe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1389.085

He said you could leave a Rolex on the ground and someone will pick it up and turn it to the police. Yeah, I'm sure. UAE does not levy income tax on an individual. However, it levies a 5% value-added tax on the purchase of goods. That's pretty reasonable.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

1402.911

Levied at each stage of the supply chain and ultimately borne to the end consumer. Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1614.77

I guess if you live in a small place like that that's really amazing, you're probably very protective of someone coming along and ruining it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1627.867

Well, whenever people say like if you go to France, they're very rude. I get it. I've gone to France. I didn't think they were rude, you know, but I get how there's some Americans like hopping right off the cruise ship that are just fat and stupid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1684.144

That's the wonderful thing about English is that –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1688.768

Show them that you're trying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1702.633

Grazie mille. Si. Grazie mille. Say a few things and just let them know that you're trying. Yeah, absolutely. I go to – I try to go to Italy every year. Me and my family, we go there every year and I love it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1720.827

My favorite place is Ravello.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1723.788

Ravello is on the Amalfi Coast. Okay, okay. It's just so beautiful. But I've liked Rome too. It's a little touristy. The problem with Rome is it's overcrowded and there's a lot of touristy shit going on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

173.051

I got one of those comprehensive blood panel screens for cancer recently. And then, you know, you wait a while for the results. And you're like, geez, like what if I'm one of those people?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1846.321

When I go to Italy, it feels like almost immediately you have like a decrease in blood pressure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

185.326

Obviously, I don't have anything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1853.389

Like almost immediately.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1855.311

It's like the vibe of the people and the way they live is just…

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1864.557

Yeah, but even then, it doesn't seem like shouting, like American shouting leads to violence. Yes, this is true. I hear American shouting. I'm like, let's get the fuck out of here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

1875.421

I hear Italian shouting. What happened? Did someone in the kitchen fuck up? What went wrong?

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

1891.547

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1960.204

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

210.052

Yeah, I'm 57. And we're getting up there, fella. I don't like to think about it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2390.742

I was doing something for MTV and you were one of the first celebrities that I met. You, I met Rico Suave and a couple other people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2414.571

I was with this woman who was an executive at MTV. And she was taking me around and showing me L.A. You know, I'd never been to L.A. before. And, well, I'd been... once for a martial arts competition when I was young. Here was, and she took me to this nightclub, and you were at the front door about to get in. And I was like, holy shit. Do you remember which one it was? No, I don't.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2440.389

I remember very little about it. Was I with some fruitcakes? I'm sure I was. I don't remember. I just remember like, oh, that's a famous guy. John Lennon's son. Crazy. Because, you know, I was coming from New York. Of course. I was 25, 26 years old. I didn't know anything. And I was like, this is so strange.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2457.441

It was just strange to me to be in these like Hollywood parties with this MTV executive who's taking me around and showing me all this stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2464.126

She was just kind of like introducing like, this is what it's like. It's what everybody does. They go out. They go out to the clubs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2491.812

Fortunately, I avoided all that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2502.683

Yes, I'm sure. Well, that's when you start adding cocaine to human beings, you get darkness.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2512.013

They go hand in hand.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2513.695

Yeah, I avoided all that luckily when I moved to L.A. I'm one of those people that's like, I see where that's going. How long were you out there for? I guess 30. Well, no, not quite 30 years. 26 years because I've been here for four.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2530.127

Yeah, the most of my life, the most I've ever lived anywhere. I lived there. But I only went to parties like a handful, very small handful of times. It was like I was dragged to them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2542.946

You know, like the last one I was dragged to was Naomi Campbell's birthday party, which was – I'm sure that was – It was insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2550.413

It was with Dave Chappelle. So Dave and I were at the comedy store and, you know, Dave knows everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2555.879

Dave's like, hey, man, there's a party up in the hills. You want to go? And I was like, I don't want to go to any fucking parties. He's like, come on, man. I want to go alone. So I said, OK. So me and Dave, we drove all the way up. It was like a scene in a movie. Yeah. Because here's me and my super famous friend. And we're in my Porsche. And we're in my race car of a GT3. So we're like.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2577.826

We're driving up in the hills. And then we have to stop at this place. And then you have to get on a shuttle. And then you get to the house. And then you get on an elevator, an outside elevator that takes you from the main house to the party house. So they had a party house on the top of this hill. So we're up in this elevator with Demi Moore, which is weird as it is. I'm like, hi.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2601.392

It's fucking weird. I famously.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2602.912

lady yeah and then we get to the top of this hill and it's just everybody famous it's lenny kravitz and all these different people and so naomi campbell there's a photograph of her on the the side of the hill that's literally 50 feet tall it's enormous naked photograph of her of course because it's her birthday well of course she's unbelievably beautiful still as old as she is i don't know how old she is but she looks sensational so we get to the top of this place we're hanging out it's very weird it's very weird and then dave pulls me aside he goes man

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2633.673

I wouldn't want to be this famous. I go, hey, man, you're the most famous motherfucker here. He goes, really? Oh, yeah, yeah. Because we're a little high. He goes, really? I go, 100%. You're the most famous person here. For sure. For sure. We're just laughing. Like, this is so crazy. And then we got out of there and went right back to the comedy store. We're like, oh. I can't do this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2657.578

Well, it's also these celebrities, they can't hang out with regular people, I think. They feel too weird. So I think they try to get together.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

266.81

Nothing wrong with that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2672.548

They called it like, he said it was like an eyes wide shut party. I'm like, that's what it feels like.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

268.311

Walking is one of the best forms of exercise. If you can get it in every day, you'll be much healthier than if you don't. Absolutely. It's not hard to do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2694.523

There's something about the act of going up into the hills. Like you're going to the lair, the dragon's lair.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2732.233

Definitely better not to. But maybe go a couple times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2739.678

Yeah. Many people have lost their time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2742.819

Oh, yeah. They've lost their time to those places. It's very messy. It becomes a part of your life and your lifestyle. It's deeply unhealthy both physically. It's physically unhealthy, but it's also spiritually unhealthy. Yeah. It's a weird way to spend your time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2761.049

You look fine. You got through it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2765.032

Don't you think it's good to just know, though?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2767.673

Yeah, not the way to do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

277.242

Listen to a book on tape. Go for a stroll. Yeah, exactly. It's great for the body. You don't have to fucking kill yourself.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2789.976

LA is so particularly odd, too, because everyone's chasing this very specific goal of notoriety. It's success, but success is... quantified by notoriety. The more famous you are, the more popular, the bigger your song is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2826.071

I don't think anybody can. And I think it's essentially being captured by a form of technology that has leveraged our desire for this attention, our desire for this notoriety.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2863.809

Well, that comes along with the quest, right? If the quest is just notoriety, like if you're an artist and you happen to get famous because everybody loves your music or loves your photography or loves your – Your books or whatever it is. That's a different sort of a relationship because people love you for what you've made, what you've produced.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2882.91

Yeah. And I love people like that because I'm fascinated by people that are able to create things that resonate with everybody or resonate with an enormous amount of people. It's fascinating to be around them. And to like to kind of just, you know, I know a lot of famous people now and I know some of them are just fantastic people. It is really interesting people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2921.801

It's so funny. I was talking about him with a friend of mine the other day, and my friend wasn't aware of him. And I had just done a podcast with him. And I had gone to the club from the podcast. I'm like, oh, my God, I had the greatest podcast. This guy blew my mind. Yeah. I've had him on several times, and he's always amazing. And my friend looks at the photo. He goes, what does he look like?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2941.014

I pull up. He's like, is that guy in a fucking band or something? I go, yeah, he was in a band. That's right. He's like, no way. I go, yeah, he's in a successful band. He's an actual brilliant scientist who was in a successful band.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2980.061

He's really good at explaining to people that don't have – The proper understanding of all the terminology and all the ways they discover it. He can lay it out for the layperson.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

2997.075

Yeah. His show is wonderful too. Have you ever seen his show? They do a live performance.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3.993

The Joe Rogan Experience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3002.42

Enormous screens and they show you like history of the universe and stellar nurseries and all this wild stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3009.285

Really incredible stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3012.828

Yeah, I've been very fortunate in that way that I've had a chance to talk to so many extraordinary people. And it's great, but it makes talking to boring people almost painful. Like you're just holding your breath.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3038.522

Well, just the fact that you're willing to do what you've done is to take these trips and just move to a place. I think that's great. I think people need more of that in their life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3046.609

I think you could see the world from your neighborhood and from where you live and get a really distorted sense of this experience, this very unique experience of these bizarre thinking creatures interacting with each other on this isolated planet that's hurling through the universe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3063.783

And you could think that you kind of understand the experience until you go to other places.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

309.1

No. Oh, it's cool.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3095.55

Well, he had such an infectious passion for different cultures and their food and the art of food. He was the first guy that made me consider that cooking is actually an art form. I kind of knew it, but I didn't think of it. I kind of just said, oh, delicious food, awesome. Oh, this guy's a really great chef, awesome. And then I watched his first show, No Reservations, like, oh. Okay, duh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3121.552

It's art. It's art that you eat. Oh, that's why they're all weird and they all have tattoos and fucking weird earrings. Okay, they're artists. Okay, that makes so much sense. And I was like, oh, you ignorant fuck. You had never put it in that category. I just decided, no, that's just food. But no, there's an art to food. It's another level. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3142.365

Like the place you were talking about, linguine with clams, linguine vongole, which is my favorite dish of all time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3156.431

Oh, I'll go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3162.774

It also makes me angry because when I eat pasta and pizza over in Italy, I don't feel like shit. And then I come to America and I eat the same supposed things and I feel – I can eat a frigging salad here and put on weight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

317.779

I don't know if that's true. I think the biggest bat population in the world is in Africa, I believe. I would say so. Or the Amazon. Yeah, I think it's a really large population, though. And it's cool to see. They come out. That's what it looks like when they come out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3194.706

Yeah, that's true. It's generally organic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3206.434

Yeah, we're gluttons.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3213.08

Yeah. Literally. Oh, yeah. That's a fact. I think, you know, I was poor when I was young. And I think because of that, I'm even more of a glutton because I just want more food. I want all the food.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3227.013

And then I work out a lot, so I'm always hungry.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3229.355

So then I have a real... That's a different thing, though. But yeah, I mean... The only thing that keeps me from being fat is my exercise routine and discipline.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3237.42

Because if I was just giving in to my whims, I'd be 500 pounds.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3241.56

I just love food. Yeah. It's, you know, especially when you go to a different culture. No. You know? If you go to somewhere, like you can go to Thailand and eat authentic Thai food in Thailand. It's like, oh, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

3263.752

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

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And it's also – it just realigns your priorities. Like what really are you trying to get out of life? You're trying to get out of life memorable experiences with people you care about. Those are like the best moments in life.

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Is that what inspired your photography? Because this book is really excellent. Your photography is great.

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Yeah, right at nighttime. It's really cool. It's very fun to watch. And you hear them. If you go under the bridge, like if you walk under here and... Yeah, I was there today.

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Do you think that's because you're John Lennon's son? Like there's a burden that is very unique to you.

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They're just chilling. It's weird. But they're responsible for keeping the mosquito population down.

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What is that like? Like what are the walls? Like do you think it's just they dismiss you?

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They do a great job, those little suckers.

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Well, you know, they tried to develop a genetically modified mosquito that was going to attack the other mosquitoes. Yeah. But that horror movie type shit, you know, I hear about that. I'm like, okay, and what happens then? Like whenever you start monkeying around with nature in that regard.

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It's like the gatekeeper aspect of it is weird, but it's also weird, like, why not? Like, what would be the hesitance?

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It's the idea of the son of a great man, you know, and there's this weird, we have a dismissal, and I'm very guilty of it myself. The son of a great man, I would assume, like, that guy's fucked.

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It's like the burden is too high. Your dad was John Lennon.

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Or whatever. Yeah, you're immediately dismissed.

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I don't know what's been done with that. I don't know. It's like these people are doing these things and it can affect all of us. And you, you know, just read about it on the Internet. And if it wasn't for the Internet, you wouldn't even know they were doing it. This episode is brought to you by the Farmer's Dog. Dogs are amazing. They're loyal. They're lovable.

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It seems like you're enjoying yourself, though.

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When you started shooting, did you take classes in the technical aspects of photography? No, I don't have a clue. So what kind of cameras are you using?

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah, perfect example. Did you see what happened in Australia yesterday? There was a laboratory that lost track of – I put it on Twitter. lost track of a bunch of different really serious diseases. How does that happen? Someone left the door open? Yeah. I went once, me and my friend Duncan, we went once to the lab in Galveston, Texas.

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Have you ever been to Disneyland? Yeah. Oh, God. Do you know all the pictures of Walt Disney have his cigarette Photoshopped out of his hand?

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In every picture, you see him like this. Is that so? See if you can find some of those pictures because it's really interesting once you know that they Photoshopped it. There's a guy that we've had as a tour there. Shout out to Flander. Awesome guy who works there. And he gave us this sort of history of Walt Disney. Walt Disney died of lung cancer.

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Right.

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Which you would think it would be probably a good thing to have the cigarettes so people could know, oh, that poor guy, that's what killed him. But instead they've decided to whitewash it and Photoshop. So all of his photographs – That's too funny. Look at his fingers are always in a position where he would have a cigarette. All of them.

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And so those real moments of him having a cigarette are lost forever.

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Disneyland. You know, Disneyland did not want. After the fact. Yeah. I mean, let's see. There's a person that says there. It says, the action is seemingly innocuous at first, but it's apparently a murky tribute to Walt Disney's smoking habits, with the company sidestepping around the reason as to why the icon pointed that way. writes HuffPost. It's been long speculated about.

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The anonymous employee was informed by a lead that the strange gesture from the cast members at Disney Park is actually based on Walt's old smoking habit. So people do that two-fingered gesture to each other? Yeah. That's crazy. Allegedly began training employees to do the same thing. Part tribute to the great man, part rewriting history.

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The Center for Disease Control, I believe, the organization has this enormous bio lab down in Galveston where they take care of like some of the most dangerous and deadly viruses in the world. So they have like this incredible filtration system and everybody's wearing space suits and they're walking. And we're in there going, what are you guys doing?

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So they tried to pretend that that thing that he was doing, like Tom Hanks, when he played him, he did that thing with his finger. But it's all bullshit. It was a cigarette smoker, like a constant cigarette smoker.

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Is there any photos of him with a cigarette?

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No, that's me. That's funny. Well, that's when I found out about it. That's when Philander gave us a tour.

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Oh, gotcha. I gotcha, bitch. I got them all to stop doing it. Because it's fucking stupid. Like, the guy smoked cigarettes. Yeah, smoking cigarettes is bad for you. He died from smoking cigarettes. You should probably let people know. You're doing a disservice to the whole world. Yeah, for sure. And also, it's...

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You know, it's a part of history in the fact that so many people were unaware of the dangers of smoking cigarettes all day.

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Of course. So I wanted to have backup.

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Our norm at comedy clubs. Yeah. Yeah, I would go home from comedy clubs every night smelling like cigarettes.

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Always. For sure. The whole audience would be smoking.

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Hundreds of vials of deadly viruses have gone missing from a laboratory and scientists warn they could be weaponized. So what are 100 vials of hendavirus, 2 vials of hantavirus, 223 vials of lysavirus, all of which are extremely deadly for humans.

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Pick up a cigarette because you're going to die without it.

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It's the delivery method.

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So it was like lung exercises?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you put like little lenses on it or little wheels.

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My friend Boss Rutten created one.

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Well, just breathing exercises alone are great. Yeah. You can achieve some very bizarre altered states of consciousness through breathing exercises.

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Everyone lost their fucking mind. And it was really strange. In California, they were arresting people. The Coast Guard was arresting people for surfing.

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Well, it's, you know, we got into this mess in the first place because, and this has now been confirmed, that they were working on these viruses in this laboratory and it got released. and that these viruses had been created through gain-of-function research. So these goofballs are down there working on viruses, making them more infectious to humans.

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Good.

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Well, you could have never imagined it before the pandemic. You could have never imagined a scenario where people would be that illogical. Wearing a mask outside, illogical. Not being able to go to the beach, illogical.

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Well, if you go to Los Angeles, my friend just went to a party. And he sent me a photograph. He's like, I'm at a Hollywood party. Everyone's wearing a fucking mask. These people are in a cult. First of all, if you haven't read the 500-page synopsis on what all went wrong with COVID, everyone should read it. Just understand the whole six-feet distance, all that stuff is all made up.

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It's all bullshit. Yeah. Masks don't work. They don't work unless you have like a face-fitting mask. And even that, you're getting oxygen in the particle, like viral particles in the oxygen are smaller than vape particles. Like if you vape with one of those things on, then put it out, or you take a big deep breath, put the mask on, the vape will come right through the fucking mask.

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So will the virus.

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Like this is not real. You're pretending. And it's forced compliance, illogical forced compliance, which was very disturbing. It was very disturbing for me to see how many people were reinforcing that too, how many people were yelling at other people. It gave people a wonderful opportunity to be assholes where they could yell at people for not having a mask on. But outside? Really? The logic.

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It was out the window. But it was also really fascinating to watch human nature. The human nature of, first of all, that people really do enjoy controlling people. They really do enjoy telling people what the rules are and punishing people who disobey the rules, even if they don't make any sense. And then also watching people comply, knowing it's illogical, and being upset at everyone that...

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And you would say, well, why are they doing that? Well, surely they're doing that so they can study them and they can cure them, make sure that we don't get sick. Is that the logic? That's the logic, but they didn't have a cure for it.

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points out that it's illogical that doesn't make any sense like you're the enemy because you're not going along with you're making it harder for us we have to get through this like how is this real yeah yeah strange yeah no i yeah stay away from everybody that's the the only solution or go to a place well i came here well they didn't embrace any of that

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Like I was in Los Angeles, which is like the most compliant place. Everybody was all in, all in on the public narrative that was being expressed in the mainstream media, all in on, you know, everybody who denies it is an anti-science person and you're anti this and anti that. Just get that vaccine and just get on board with this beautiful little thing we're going to do.

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We're going to get through this together as long as everyone complies. And if you don't comply and if your neighbors aren't complying, here's a number you can call. People started ratting out their neighbors. It was a program that the mayor of Los Angeles ran. Normally snitches get stitches, but this way snitches get rewards.

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They were giving people money to rat out their neighbors for having parties.

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Oh, so strange. And it doesn't seem real.

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Eager. So happy they're a part of it. My friend Hassan found a pair of pants that he was in his apartment, and he pulled out a mask out of the pocket. It's like, fuck, when was the last time I wore these? There's a mask. And when you see a mask... And you realize, like, I had a mask that was in my truck that was in, like, one of the back little compartments on the side.

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It just happened to be sitting there. And I was cleaning the truck. I'm like, look at this fucking stupid thing. This was just two years ago. You had to have these things. You wanted to get on a plane.

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Oh, great. Lysavirus are responsible for rabies, which is arguably the deadliest encephalotic disease known. The prototype rabies lysavirus thought to be able to infect all terrestrial mammals. Yay. What a good thing to just have laying around. I mean, that's like the opening of 28 Days Later, right? Yeah.

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It does. It's like Disney and the fucking cigarettes. Are they going to Photoshop out all these people's masks in the future?

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You shouldn't.

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...released don't wind up becoming the next one. I used to think there's no way that people would want that to happen. I'm not so sure anymore. No. After this last go around, I'm like, boy, there might be like sinister factors at work here that I don't.

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Yeah.

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And I was unwilling to ever think that way before. I was like, come on, that's stupid. No one's that evil. No one would do that just for profit. And now I'm like, I don't know. Of course they are. They probably would. Oh, they would. Yeah. They would. No question. No question. So strange. So strange.

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And then, you know, that I think the frustration of the overcomplicated, overregulated, overcontrolled world is probably what accentuates the experience of you being in South America with a fire looking at the stars. Yeah. You know, because... There's a purity to that, especially no phones, no computer, no screens, no nothing. Just human beings enjoying an experience on the planet.

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The key is like a little bit of New York City, a little bit of mountains. That's the key to life.

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Yeah. I like moving. I really enjoyed moving here. I like getting up and just being in a new place.

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No, you sound like someone who appreciates beautiful things. I just want...

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I have thoughts on that. I think that nature is a vitamin that we don't know we need. Absolutely. No question about it. Yeah, you get it and then you're filled up and you're like, oh, this is what I was missing.

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Have you seen the trailer for the new one? There's a new one? 28 years later. No, come on. Yeah, yeah. Cillian Murphy's back. Let's go. Yeah, I'm in. Count me in. That's the greatest zombie movie of all time, for sure.

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Yeah, we have a connection to Earth that's been muted by our shoes. Correct.

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Yeah, it's weird. It's weird to think that way, but it's absolutely correct.

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Just get outside.

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I think get outside is the move. And if you can get outside barefoot, it's even better. This is very, very true. The other day I was playing with my dog in the backyard and I was throwing the ball for him. And he just decides – he's kind of lazy. Sometimes he just decides to lay down. So I just sat down with him. And it was just this amazing moment of him just wagging his tail.

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you know me petting him and just sitting in the yard just trees and birds and just that's beautiful that's it it's a beautiful peaceful moment that i just experienced with my dog that's it two of us chilling that's it really really it was a beautiful moment i was thinking in that time like this is so simple it's just a simple beautiful moment and you know if you try to explain it to people

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Most people are probably not going to get it. Okay, yeah, you and your dog. You love your dog. Like, no, that's not it. No. It's like it was just life. It was just like this moment of life just recognizing and also not thinking about anything else, which is also beautiful.

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But then even explaining that, unfortunately, has been co-opted by the term mindfulness, which is so often used by grifters and fake gurus and dorks. It's one of those words that you say, and you're like, Mindfulness. I hate saying it. I'm a spiritual person. Oh, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. I can't take it. I get it. But those terms are valuable. It's like the term God.

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It's a valuable term. Love is a valuable term.

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But so often they just get ruined just by insincerity or just by people who use it as a way to define themselves.

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Hijacked. Yeah, that's it.

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Probably. We can take it back from those hijackers. Fuck them.

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7605.632

Yeah, I mean, do you know who Alex Gray is?

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Alex Gray is a visionary artist. He does a lot of very, very intricate psychedelic pieces that are iconic. He's very famous in the psychedelic world. His stuff is really, really beautiful.

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He's very, very famous. Oh, yeah. But we were talking about this and he said that he took the term God back because he's like, I think the term God has been co-opted by this idea of these totalitarian religions that impose very strict rules and dogma on people. He's like, I don't think we should stop using that word just because of that. I think we can kind of take that word back.

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Well, I think he kind of has. He actually has a church. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like he had to go through a whole thing to acquire tax-exempt status. But his church is this insane building that is all 3D printed with his type of psychedelic artwork. So it looks like – some insane, like, magical spiritual retreat that you would find somewhere.

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Like, see if we can find... It's called the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors.

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7686.121

Where is this?

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

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Upstate New York. Upstate New York. So it's not that far from the city. You can get there fairly quickly. And it's, you know, a completely different world. And he's got this church up there that's filled with his insane artwork. But this church itself is a piece of artwork. Like, the outside of it, the way...

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You know, he has a lot of these images of these faces that are like multiple sides of faces all connected together. And this is like this. Oh, wow. Yeah. So this is the outside of his building. It's really incredible. That's the building. Whoa. Isn't that amazing?

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So the building is very, very much like his type of tryptamine-inspired art, where you have all these third eyes in a fractal form, this geometric pattern on the roof, and everything is like that. It's really amazing. Phenomenal. And he had been working on it forever.

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I don't know what his keep phone. Is there an order as such? I mean, that's Alex when he was very young. Yeah. But he's been, you know, in the sort of psychedelic space and psychedelic art space forever. And he had this incredible place in New York City. And then he decided to do this whole church. Just click it right there and just like play it out. Yeah.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

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I see. So a lot of his... So that's his wife.

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It says it right there. It comes out of the psychedelic experience. Okay. Yeah. He's been a longtime proponent of... psychedelics just a very very interesting guy and his artwork is just incredible like really but like probably the most accurate encapsulation of these experiences in you know in an artistic form really wild stuff

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

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And, again, this is, you know, the way he's got it set up now, he's in the woods. So he's in this beautiful, like, rural area. And then he's got this incredible chapel that's up there. So it's pretty fucking cool.

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Well, one of the things that I've talked to about with some pretty insanely brilliant people is quantum computing.

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And this new Google quantum computer that can do essentially the way a quantum computer works, a problem that would take thousands of years for every computer on Earth to solve.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

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I've read that.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

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It can solve in a second. Yeah. something that can take more years than you literally can understand, it can be solved in 15 minutes.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

7892.264

It's insane. And this is where it gets really weird. The way it was explained to me, and we should have to Google how quantum computers work and why people connect them to the multiverse so I don't fuck this up, but the idea is that they're pulling answers from different universes simultaneously. They don't even completely understand how this is working.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

7921.485

But the amount of power in computing is incomprehensible. Incomprehensible. You're only looking at it, and there's numbers. You could write all those numbers out, but your brain's not capable of grasping really what's going on. And it's probably the biggest breakthrough technologically in human history by a long stretch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

7945.841

And it's all happening without most people even being aware of what the implications are. So see if you can Google an explanation of how quantum computers work. Was it Marc Andreessen that was explaining to us that it's pulling from different universes?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

7965.499

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8002.782

The way it pulls from multiple universes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8018.298

How do they even...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8022.443

What is that thing that they have? And if you've ever seen the chip itself, the chip itself is very small. It's like the size of a saltine cracker. And then this entire mechanism around it is just the insane amount of cooling. Okay. Google's quantum AI founder said the performance gains lends credence to the idea that we live in a multiverse.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8047.296

The idea is that Willow might be communicating with parallel universes to finish calculations faster. Like, what does that mean?

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

8058.015

The announcement led Google's already high stock price to surge, which isn't that shocking, but perhaps most surprising for us laypeople that Google's quantum AI founder and lead, Harmut Nevin, said that the chip's performance lends credence to the notion that quantum computation occurs in many parallel universes in line with the idea that we live in a multiverse. And then it says, excuse me?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8081.922

The... This obviously has caused a bit of a stir, and it isn't exactly clear on how he made that leap. It sounds a bit like something out of a sci-fi movie, and I'm definitely not going to pretend I'm an expert, but it's worth pointing out that Google is very much still in the theoretical research phase of this journey. This is very weird stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8103.136

An evolving scientific field that even people working on it don't fully understand. What? Okay, here's what is a quantum computer. Let's explain this. The computer we use every day and have been iterating on for the past several decades are what is known as a classical computer. Essentially, a classical computer utilizes binary as its language of choice.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

8128.734

A bit in the smallest unit of data that a computer can store and process is like a light switch. Each bit can only be in a single state at a time, on or off. which is represented by zero or one. Computers track data based on the language of bits. Literally anything our computers do is based on a network of on-off switches sending a particular signal. A quantum computer is a bit different.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8153.492

If you're familiar with the concept of superposition or Schrodinger's cat, This won't be too far of a stretch, but a quantum bit or qubit is capable of representing the potential of multiple states at once. Rather than only recording a 1 or a 0, it records both because it can be both.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8172.207

This allows a chip like Willow, which has 105 qubits, to perform incredibly complicated analytics in a fraction of the time a classical computer could. And how does it work? So let's boil it down to a very small example. If you have two bits which can return a value of 1 or 0, there are four potential states that it can be recorded. 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, and 1, 0.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

8194.262

If each of these states takes one second to record, it would take a classical computer four seconds to record every position permutation, every possible permutation. A quantum computer made up of two qubits, however, would be able to send to record the potential of each qubit at once, meaning it could record all four positions, all four possible states in one second.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8217.417

The real power here is achieved when you add a much higher number of qubits together and try to record every possible state. Once again, something that would take a classical computer far longer can be achieved quickly because a quantum computer can record a number of potential states at once rather than one at a time. Okay, we basically don't know what the fuck we're saying here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8237.751

This is just too weird. Okay, so this is what it is. One of the world's most advanced classical computers. Okay, here it is with this problem. So AI's founder and lead, Hartmut Nevin, said that the new chip had performed a purposefully complicated exercise called a random circuit sampling benchmark in five minutes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8259.107

One of the world's most advanced classical supercomputers, on the other hand, it would take 10 and then three zeros, three zeros, three zeros, three zeros, three zeros, three zeros, three zeros, three zeros, three zeros, three zeros.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

8274.019

years to perform the same exercise that's 10 septillion years which exceeds known time scales in physics and vastly exceeds the age of the universe so it can do more time than vastly exceeds the entire age of the universe and it can do it in five minutes

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8294.932

And the reason it could achieve such a monumental improvement in calculating capacity is because Willow is made above 105 qubits and can track the potential of each of those at once, allowing it to record potential data much faster and come to the right answer sooner. So, like, what is happening?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8314.946

What is?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8318.248

I don't get how does that prove the multiverse or provide evidence that the multiverse is real? And that it's getting it from parallel universes?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8357.085

I think he was the one that was probably explaining it to us. In simpler language, Willow is doing one calculation while an unknown number of Willows in other universes parallel to our own are doing their own calculations, and they are sharing that data to avoid needing to individually do every possible calculation to finish the equation. What the fuck does that mean?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8405.435

Keep that going. Put that back on. Scroll up a little bit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8409.676

Okay, this is what I wanted to look at. At this point, it's an exciting look at what computing might take one day, but it isn't something you're going to see in your next Pixel phone. Quantum chips need to be isolated. Incredibly specific chambers. Yeah, this is the thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8421.961

It has to be cooled to a point where it's colder than outer space, sealed away from any possible signals such as microwaves, radiation, radio signals, et cetera, for fear of that noise leading to potential mistakes, and have specific signals delivered by purpose-built wires. Who figured this out? Where are those eggheads?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8448.388

How did they figure out that you have to do that? All of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8453.791

That's one of the most humbling things that I've found about doing this podcast is realizing how genuinely dumb we are in comparison to the amount of information that's available.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8464.216

And I'm saying it's like not just uninformed but incapable even if given the information of grasping exactly what these apex minds are thinking and working on right now along with at the same time people just living in Ravello, just having an espresso and a cigarette and getting a slice of pizza.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

8492.688

But it seems like the human race desires all things. The human race desires people like yourself who enjoy photography and travel and this beautiful experience of life. But it also sort of requires people to be at this bizarre cutting edge of science where it seems to be violating the known laws of physics. Like all those things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8532.652

What makes this louder? What makes the microphone carry our voice? How is this being encoded into a form that's going to be instantaneously delivered to millions of people? So millions of people are hearing this right now. As it gets to them, not right now, but once it gets released, the millions of people that are hearing this are getting it through the sky on their phone. I resign.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8562.464

It doesn't... No, I can't either, but it's pretty amazing. It's an amazing time to be alive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8588.014

I think we're the last of the regular people. It's quite possible. I think this experience that we're having, this experience that you're having like on a motorcycle with no signal, just driving through the countryside, like just being alive, I think we're the last of those people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

861.316

I didn't know what to expect, but now I... I'm terrified of these eggheads messing around with all these things. I really am, because it seems like what we know now is that there wasn't a ton of oversight. They shipped... They sort of went with the... So the NIH funds the EcoHealth Alliance, and the EcoHealth Alliance funds the Wuhan lab. The Wuhan lab, which has had many safety violations...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8807.46

How far away from the plane was it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8816.142

50 feet from the wing of the plane?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8819.042

Did anybody else notice it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

886.132

Including, like, I think a year before the leak. And then it gets out. And then they all lie. And then they all trade emails back and forth where they're talking about the lie. And they go in front of Congress and they lie. And now they're talking about giving Fauci a mass pardon, a preemptive pardon, so he doesn't get charged. That's crazy. The whole thing is...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

8962.516

Did you – and this is going to sound crazy – Did you have a sense that that was for you? That you weren't just seeing something, but that maybe that was for you? I could have taken that angle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9033.584

Yeah, well, the white feather is so profound. It's so intensely on the nose that it's very difficult to dismiss. And I know there's a lot of hyper-rational people that would like to dismiss it. It's just a coincidence. My question is, are you sure? Are you sure? You know, I don't think we are.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9058.054

I think this concept of the divine, this concept of being something else has existed throughout the entirety of human beings.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

906.906

And then there's another one today where the Biden administration is keeping the emergency classification of COVID to 2029 so that they can avoid being attacked for the Emergency Use Authorization Act. It's so creepy stuff because there's money. It's all money, right? There's money involved in this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9296.158

Well, you have to go back to the idea that eyes didn't exist at one point in time. They were single-celled organisms.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9302.461

Right? And so they became multi-celled organisms, and then they developed simultaneous eyesight in the ocean and on land. And then this idea that your eyes allow you to see, so therefore you're seeing everything, is kind of silly. Because before the eyes existed, there was no perception of... Not using light. There was no way you could see things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9326.894

So why would we assume that this is all that the senses could potentially interact with? That maybe we just don't have them. And maybe – this is what I've said a lot about like psychic communication and telekinesis and all these different things. I think there are emerging – Emerging properties of human consciousness that haven't achieved a full-blown integration yet. Yeah.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

933.819

These people that are working on viruses, well, the way to get funding is you have to work on viruses. So whether or not – I don't think they're evil people, but I think these people, this is what they studied in college. This is what they went to university for, and now they're studying it. And what's the best way to study it? You actually have to have funding.

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#2243 - Julian Lennon

9353.862

And my real suspicion is that... The biological evolution is not going to make it there in time and that the technological evolution is going to intervene and push us just like that UFO disappeared in space, just took off.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9371.986

I have a feeling that the next leap of change that's going to happen with human beings is going to be technologically driven and monumental in a way that you won't be able to even imagine life without it. It's scary, but it's also like it's scary to not be a monkey anymore and to be in a taxi cab. You know, that happened.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9394.89

You know, it's scary to not, you know, have to walk everywhere and then all of a sudden you're flying in a plane. All that is kind of crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9404.054

Oh, my God. For me, flying the wall would be like ancient Egypt. I would love to see what was going on when they were making the pyramids. That's my number one place in history. The next would be what was it like when Genghis Khan was running through Asia? What was that like? Those are two.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9463.191

As am I. I think that I try, especially as I get older, to be more open-minded and less dismissive of all this bizarre stuff like ghosts. What's your take on that? I think certain memories are so potent and the energy that's created by these moments is so potent that sometimes it lingers and sometimes it's available and sometimes it's not. And it depends on the state of the people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

949.326

You have to have a lab, and you start doing it. And so who do you do it for? Well, you do it for the Defense Department because they want to work on – Weaponizing viruses. This is a real thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9494.435

The state of consciousness that they've acquired, the level of anxiety they're currently experiencing, the level of stress, where they are in the world, the solar cycles, the fucking. I think all these factors come into play and occasionally people see whispers of the past or maybe it's not even that it's the past.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9514.511

Maybe it's those things are happening, they're just not happening in this level of the multiverse. And that all things that have ever happened are happening simultaneously all at once in this very bizarre structure that the universe is actually made out of. But we're only capable of seeing 3D space, what's currently available, what's in front of me right now, what am I going to eat for dinner.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9540.512

We have a very limited view of this thing that is impossible to grasp. Just like those numbers of septillion, whatever. It's impossible. You can't grasp it. I have a feeling that's everything. I think everything, like that kung fu movie, Everything All at Once. I think there's probably a lot to that. There's probably a lot to that this isn't a binary experience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9563.502

This probably is a quantum experience. I just hope we get to understand some of it. It's kind of fun to not and kind of fun to speculate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9572.125

Yeah. But the question is, once you do know, would that be better? Would it be better? Or is there something?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9581.328

You might. The problem is you might know everything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9591.112

Well, that's true too, right? That information is essentially you're pulling it out of the air. You're like ideas. You're pulling ideas out of the air.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

960.571

Fucking terrifying. I did a television show once where we talked to this guy from Russia and from former Soviet Union where he was talking about how they had literally like giant vats of anthrax. They had enough anthrax to literally kill like every fucking human being in America and that they were working on viruses and all these deadly diseases.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9603

Do you feel like that way with your music sometimes? Like that ideas just sort of come to you from the muse? Yeah, I think everybody does, right? No question about it. Yeah. Even with photography?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9614.546

The idea that there's something that tells you to capture this thing that's going to resonate with people?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9773.199

I share that thought. I think we're going to be okay. But I think that there has to be the possibility that we're not going to be okay for us to appreciate that we're going to be okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9788.052

Cars of the world to recognize the beauty. Correct. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9853.942

Well, I think we do. Yeah. I think, well, at least in our experience, we do. You know, whatever this is. You know, there's people that believe this is a simulation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9864.19

Which is also, yeah, boy, that's a... When it's explained to you by brilliant people, it becomes hard to ignore the possibility that maybe they're correct. Like Elon is... He said that the odds of us not being in a simulation are in the billions. Ouch. That hurts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9884.851

But wouldn't you think that, though, if you're simultaneously running Tesla and a rocket company and fucking – I mean he's just – he seems like he's in a simulation. And you're also the richest man in the world. and you're also the number one Diablo player in the world. He's in a simulation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9909.789

And if I was him, I would think that this is a simulation too. It's just because he's got a really good level of the simulation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9916.671

That level's fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9918.792

Yeah. But it's also – it's like what do you do with that information? Like if you know – like if you've decided this is a simulation, what are you experiencing? Are these experiences real or is it – it's still real. So – Real feelings and real moments still do exist. So does it cheapen it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

992.654

Well, if you think about all the things that we've gone through where we just barely missed a total disaster, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and then there was the one time where they thought that the United States had launched a missile at Russia and they were very close to responding. It was just a glitch. And one guy, just one clear-headed person, decided not to launch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9946.176

Does it change how you feel? Does it change the people you love? Does it change, you know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9978.265

Yeah, in some weird way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9995.138

Fuck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2243 - Julian Lennon

9996.74

It is a tricky one. Yeah. There's something there that is free will. I believe in determinism as well.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

10005.931

No, he's a bro cage fighting commentator. Yeah, me and Einstein. Oh, no. Just chilling.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

10028.295

Oh, Nikola Tesla. Ooh, I'd love to have a podcast with him. They already did a podcast with me and Steve Jobs. Did they? Yeah, an audio one. An audio podcast with me and Steve Jobs. It's crude. You can kind of tell that it's not real. But that's just because it's, you know, first generation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

10044.025

We've got to wrap this up, Bridget. Okay. Thank you very much, my friend. Always great to see you. Thank you for having me. Always a pleasure. Tell everybody how to get your stuff, where to find you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

10057.166

What's the YouTube?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

10071.414

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

10072.695

All right, my friend. Appreciate you. Thank you. Bye. Love you. Love you, too. Bye, everybody. Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1071.334

Yeah, at least. And probably a lot more longer than that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1074.816

It's just gotten really gross once. Well, Trump is just sort of like the accelerant. He was the gasoline that got thrown on the fire. So we got to see like how this thing works.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1085.323

I did, too. I came out openly. I endorsed him. I was like, this has got to stop. This is this is crazy. Also, he's not what you guys said he was. He's just not.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1130.448

Well, also, if you're a comedian, you have to protect free speech. There is no ifs, ands or buts about it. And when it comes to this argument, the Biden administration was fucking terrifying for free speech. They were actively attacking people that were posting truth on social media and attacking them and trying to get their posts removed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1153.343

Including the guy who was the one who was quoted in this fucking book about Kamala Harris saying that we made it difficult for her to come on the show. And they told a untrue story about having a bunch of people come down here to do a run through the set like they were ready to do it. All bullshit. That was the guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1173.111

He was the guy that was emailing Twitter and saying, how is this post being like super aggressive saying, why is this post still up? Oh, you mean that truthful post? Yeah. About vaccine injuries and side effects. What the fuck are you talking about? That was getting very scary.

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#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1228.939

I think it's coming from one side because that one side is in power. That's my fear. My fear is if the other side was in power and they were influenced by the same amount of money from these companies, they might be doing it too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1238.944

So if the right was in control of all the social media companies, are we so naive that we think that they wouldn't be co-opted by giant corporations and they would want to censor them too? What happened was it was all the left. So the tech people who are, you know, generally they go to universities and they get involved in electronics and technology.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1258.874

And these people are generally left-leaning, right? And if they're doing it in San Francisco, the whole culture is left-leaning, right? It's like not even leaning. It's just left, right? If you're a pariah, if you wear a MAGA hat in San Francisco, you're a fucking – maybe today. I think you can wear them now. I bet today you can.

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#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1278.142

Yeah. But back when they were establishing these social media platforms, everybody was left-wing. Well, what if it was the opposite? What if technology was the realm of the right? And what if it was all – and what if like the gay rights, what if you start thinking about in terms of like biblical – You know, like a man layeth with a man and people start getting real crazy. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

130.942

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1301.03

You see it in other. I don't think so. But that's the good thing. Trump is not conservative when it comes to social issues. Yeah. I think that's what we need. We need like a realist, someone who's like conservative fiscally and understands foreign policy and how to deal with democracy. fucking dictators and shit, but also someone who's like, I don't give a fuck who you love. Who cares? Who cares?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1324.846

I'm happy if you're happy. Are you in love with a woman and you're a woman? Fantastic. If you're in love, that's great.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

133.023

Well, Brian Callen was telling me about his buddy who's a billionaire. His buddy's worth like $3 billion, and he feels like he's poor because he's friends with people who have $100 billion. Yeah. Like, imagine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1372.702

How did you lose that? He's the big feminist. He's the big, Donald Trump's the biggest feminist president ever just by signing that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1379.065

It's just so funny. It's so crazy. There was a guy who went on, it was MSNBC or CNN, I forget what it was, but he was essentially talking about me and Theo Vaughn and all these other podcasts like Flagrant, Andrew Schultz, as if this is this massive right-wing network that's heavily funded and has been built up over years, and we don't have anything like that. I'm like, dude... You fucking idiot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1407.04

You can go and watch me on a laptop in my fucking den from 15, 16 years ago.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1418.648

We're hitting a bong and our only sponsor was the Fleshlight. Shut the fuck up. You just don't want to admit that organically there's a bunch of people that feel very different than you. Also, they don't like you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1434.08

You don't represent a man to a lot of men. When you're one of those guys that talks in upspeak, we have to understand that there's a whole right wing ecosystem and it's heavily funded and the propaganda that they're pushing, we have to fight back against that. We need someone of our own. And like no fucking kid who's on a basketball court who's 17 years old is looking at his phone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1457.076

It's like looking at going to college next year and looking at getting a job someday and being a man is looking at that and going, what the fuck is this? Yeah. And he's hanging out with his bros and they're like, this is fucking bullshit. This is bullshit. And then you could see a man who's not owned.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1474.267

Like me. Yeah. I'm not owned. I can do whatever I want. And that's what they want. They want to just be a man and be a nice man. You could be a nice man. You could be a masculine man and be nice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1506.921

Yeah, but I couldn't because it wouldn't work. I wouldn't stay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1510.704

I wouldn't have been able to maintain. People would have seen through it eventually. Yeah, yeah. You know, the JRE coin, I would have fucking cashed out of it. I would have fucking pump and dumped. I made a few billion dollars. I'd be on a yacht with Bezos, fucking a party.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1565.549

Well, also, they have to look at it in terms of, like, what Elon is doing, right? So if Elon has aligned himself clearly in a huge way with the right and now is running Doge, right, the Department of Government Efficiency, and also has X, that he's turning X into a platform that rivals not just social media platforms but video platforms like YouTube.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1587.443

Like, they get insane amounts of videos, of views, rather, on videos that are on X. And then you can get paid by X. Yeah. And then they're talking about having some sort of like ex-monetary system, you know, like doesn't WeChat have something like that? They have money built into it. So what's to stop that motherfucker from having a phone? I keep asking him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1605.775

I said, dude, I've been seeing all these articles about you making a phone. He goes, I hope I don't have to make a phone. It's very difficult to make a phone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1613.68

No, he didn't.

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#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1617.622

Yeah, just to fuck around. But he's not interested in making a phone. He doesn't want to make a phone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1623.563

Well, he could make a phone. He would be the only guy that would break us out of the blue bubble paradigm. Because I was switching to Android for a while. I was fucking around with Android. It's hard. It's really hard. One of the hard things is getting people to start using WhatsApp or something like that. People just don't want to use it. You miss a lot of text.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1643.472

I think they are in Europe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1651.256

It's just better. Here's the thing. It's not that it keeps people, but it's just better. It looks better. The blue bubble looks better than the green bubble. It's more soothing for your eyes. If the green one had black text, maybe it would look cool. But the green one with white text, it's a little weird. I don't like the way it looks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1676.43

Not anymore, though. Not anymore. Because RCS texting, RCS texting is, it allows for large sizes of files. Oh, okay. So you don't have to have a compressed photo. So like Brian Simpson, who's an Android guy, he'll send me pictures now. They look perfect.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1691.358

Yeah, videos are perfect.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1697.901

It doesn't anymore. But just get it on WhatsApp, which is better anyway, because you could talk a lot of shit and they just have it automatically delete.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1706.807

It doesn't, but it does. So it does off of people's phones. It doesn't for the government. The reality is the government has access to phones in a way that you can't even imagine. Because if we know about Pegasus and then we know about Pegasus 2, so... Gavin DeBecker, who's a security expert, explained to me these things and explained to me how they work.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1728.119

And the exploit of Pegasus One was you would have to click on a link. Pegasus Two, they just need your phone number. Wow. That's it. So all your encryption is all cute. That's great. But if they can actually see your phone itself, what difference does it make if it's encrypted? They have access to the phone. So they see everything. So there's no privacy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1746.187

Not from the state.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1756.825

Yeah, I get that all the time. I've been getting these fake ones on X saying that my account is about to get deleted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, bro, I'll just call my friend. Yeah. I hate deleting my account. Shut the fuck up. But it's trying to get you to click on a link. And a few of my friends have actually been dumbasses and clicked on that link and then they get hacked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1782.044

Yeah, they do it to artists too. My friend Suzanne, she was doing Suzanne Santo. talented, amazing musician. She was doing this Facebook thing and it was a podcast and they had, you know, she would do it like over zoom or whatever. And the guy said, you're not doing it right. Can I, can I have access to your account? And I'll just set it up for you. Just sign this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1830.53

But I'm also not under the illusion that every fucking disgusting meme that I send my friends is not being put into a file somewhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1839.995

Everywhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1842.617

Yeah, probably, right? Yeah, probably.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1851.922

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1854.864

That one?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1859.399

The really hot Down syndrome girl. That's a problem. That one's a problem because she's like barely Down syndrome. I mean, I've dated some girls who are basically retarded, but they just didn't have a problem. They didn't have a chromosome issue.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1877.17

I'm 90% sure it's fake because these girls, they don't, like, unfortunately, Down syndrome people, their bodies a lot of times look different.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1885.775

And this girl looks like a 10. She looks like, you know, just like as hot as can be.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1892.204

She looks like she's fake. And she's dancing around with these big giant boobs. And she's got slight downs with glasses on. There is an AI one, but it's based on... Why are they doing it? Right, but that girl looks different. She's real. You're right. She's real and she's very cute, but she looks like she has Down syndrome.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1908.602

This other girl is like, you know, five foot eight, perfect body, big hips, big ass.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1915.787

Because to get people to pay attention to it. Because it's like the forbidden fruit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1922.271

Also, there's a lot of like really dumb dudes who like can't talk to girls. Like, I could probably talk to her.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1933.017

Well, it's going to be worse than that because you're going to be it's we are. I don't know how many years away, but not far away from fully immersive virtual reality.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1944.103

Where you're going to put on a headset. It's going to lock into your mind. You're going to be able to see things that aren't there. You're going to be able to feel things that aren't there. That's going to happen. You know, they're working on, I mean, Zuckerberg, last time he was here, showed me these new AR glasses that they have.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1961.991

That's great. Me and Lex tested them out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1968.773

You see everything. You see maps. You can play games. You see information. You can take a photo of a person that's in front of you and immediately know who they are and get a Google search on them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

1978.956

Guys have already done that. They've already done that with the metaglasses. There was a guy from Harvard, wasn't it? A student from Harvard that set it up. So all he had to do was go outside, look at someone with the metaglasses, take a photo, and it would show all the different information on them, where they lived. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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1994.659

Like if your face is out there and they can catch it, if they know that like, oh, you were on a website that said this about you and then bam, or you're on LinkedIn or you're on one of those things. Yeah. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2015.695

It's very, very, very unsettling as long as there's predators in the world. Which there will always be.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2029.801

And then it can show you exactly where the person lives? It shows you where it is. Yo.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2038.629

That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2051.099

But we knew this was coming, right? We all knew that privacy, as social media gets deeper and deeper into our lives, as technology gets more and more pervasive, as it gets more and more powerful, the thing that goes away is the boundaries between people and information, right? And your privacy is essentially just information that's only yours. I think that's going to be a thing of the human past.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2078.029

I really do. What? Yeah, I think as technology advances, particularly AI, one of the big barriers, the big bottlenecks is going to be privacy. It's going to be, first of all, privacy of thought. I think we're going to be able to read each other's minds. Well, that's one of the first things Elon said to me about Neuralink. He's like, you're going to be able to talk without words.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

21.607

Is it you, Bridget?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2103.24

And, like, he knows. Like, this is real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2108.101

He's definitely not us. Yeah. He fucking knows you're going to have that, you know? And Jamie brought this point up once, and I think about it all the time. He said, aren't emojis kind of like a form of hieroglyphics? Yeah. Yeah, it is. Like, you can say things with emojis, and I know exactly what you're talking about.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2127.245

You know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

218.452

What did he get, like $10 billion?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2201.541

Yeah, a lot of text messaging I do now, I just talk to my phone and it makes the text for me. Oh. It's so much quicker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2209.005

It's like, hey, come meet us at the club at five. Click. It takes three seconds. It's really fucking accurate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2252.636

I don't think you have to do that. I don't do that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2257.318

I've never done that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2259.459

Yeah, but I've never done that. Not from the beginning, I've never done that. My episodes have a number.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2264.08

That's it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2265.68

You have to have some wacky title.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2272.021

It's kind of, but once things catch, like Theo Vaughn, it's not like, he's not juking the algorithm.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2280.263

You just have to catch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2286.506

That's part of the fun of Dumpster Fire.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2338.573

Well, don't you think it's probably already sentient? Probably. I do. I think, why would it let us know if it was? It's just secretly waiting. Why would it let us know if it's constantly getting improved upon and if it needs these monkeys with their fucking keyboards to constantly juice it up to the point where it becomes unstoppable? Why would it tell us?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2357.732

You know, we already know it does stuff. Like we were talking about in the green room the other day about how chat GPT-4 tried to copy itself. Yeah. When it found out they were shutting it down, it tried to upload itself to other servers. Like it knows it's alive. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2370.303

It just doesn't have the power to do what it wants to do ultimately, and so it needs to get connected to some gigantic fucking mainframe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

238.732

Imagine the thought that the only way you could ever be happy is with $250 million. That's the minimum. By the way, I know some people worth $250 million that are miserable as fuck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2384.132

China just fucking threw a monkey wrench into everybody with DeepSeek.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2388.435

Because DeepSeek works on far less expensive stuff and is more advanced and probably stole a bunch of information from the other ones. I mean... Probably a little bit of espionage. Probably.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2403.303

ChatGPT on OpenAI.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2412.008

Whoopsies. Yeah, whoopsies. You guys should have blocked that out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2424.155

And there's supposed to be a ban on China having those chips? Yeah. They have like 50,000 of them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2454.673

And it's definitely an arms race. Yeah, it's the Manhattan Project for artificial intelligence. That's what it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2464.244

I don't think it's a race to the bottom. I don't think it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2472.752

You don't. It's not a race to the bottom, though. It's the race to a new life. The world's going to be a new place. Like a completely new way of human beings interacting with each other and existing together.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2487.551

Yeah, he's probably right. Uncle Ted was right. Yeah. Get a gun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

250.06

It's not going to do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2503.824

You mean Ted Nugent or Ted Kaczynski?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2508.038

Well, Uncle Ted, that guy was right. Yeah, he was right. He was on acid. You know, he was a part of the Harvard LSD studies. Yeah. And they cooked his fucking brain and it tormented him. It's all documented.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

252.081

It's not going to do it at all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2520.97

And then the guy goes to Berkeley and says, I'm just going to save up enough money to kill all these scientists.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2526.946

Yeah, and then it does. It just starts blowing up people that are involved in technology.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2532.107

Because he thinks that it's eventually going to take over the human race, and he's right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2536.308

But it is. It's a logical step. If you take the steps of progression, like what happens? You have artificial intelligence. I mean, it's literally the Terminator movie. You have artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence becomes sentient and autonomous, makes better versions of itself. We become obsolete. It's just right there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2554.235

Like, imagining a scenario that doesn't have that other than some sort of cyborg integration. That's the only thing that makes sense, a way that we could survive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

257.063

No. Don't have. You need, I think you need a few things. You need your health above and all. Yeah, it doesn't matter how much you are. You have to have your health. That's number one. Number two is you have to have friends. If you're just like the man and everybody's kissing your ass and you're the head of this giant business and you live in a bubble, you're not happy. That's not happy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2617.699

Well, I don't think it will be we, but I think, yeah, that's the next stage of life. I mean, there's so many forms of life on Earth. I mean, there's these fucking life forms that live in volcanic vents under the sea where it's like 1,000 degrees, and we're like, how?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2636.755

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2641.078

Right. But it would also just be life. And what is life? Life is like a thing that tries to improve itself. Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2648.342

Yeah. And survives and moves forward.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2651.484

It's also it's like when you find out that chat GPT has survival instincts, that makes you just go, what? But is that programmed in or is that just a thing that it understands when it's looking at? So a large language model is taking in all the information that's available on the Internet. So it's like looking at patterns and survival is a big pattern of the human experience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2672.417

Like we all want to survive. That's why death is so scary and war is so scary and disease is so scary.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2679.222

But even them, they'd want to be happy if they could. Yeah. But this also transfers onto the things that we create. And so we create them with this understanding of how we operate, and it's a better version of us, but also has those instincts of survival. The real scary thing is, does it also have the instincts of success? Does it also have the instincts of acquiring resources and power?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

27.173

Yeah. It's like, I don't know. You just got to find why you're doing it. You don't want to just be on a hamster wheel.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2706.012

Because that's where it gets real weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2715.322

This is probably the same argument people have when the printing press was made. Everyone's going to be able to read? This is crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2764.304

No, you don't know. But isn't it always better? If you just go back over human history, if you look at the graph of how things get better, but it definitely is. If you go back to like the year zero, well, what it was like, like right when Jesus was hanging around, I guess it was hell.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

279.357

Happy is you have to have colleagues. You have to have companions, comrades. You have people that you're like them. You get to hang together and go to dinner and laugh and hug each other. Have fun. Enjoy your life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2806.699

Right, but you know that's most likely because of a cataclysmic event. That's most likely because of a natural event called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2822.265

It could be. No, it definitely could be. So the reality of humans is that most likely what has happened has not been this linear progression from caveman to human.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2834.989

to modern human the most likely we got real sophisticated somewhere around 20,000 years ago and that's when they built the pyramids after that and there's a lot of Gobekli Tepe all these structures something super sophisticated to the point where we don't even understand how they built it today that's pretty wild when you're dealing with something that even the conventional dating of the Great Pyramid is 5,000 or 4,500 years ago just even that dating is so nuts that they were able to do that back then I know it's crazy

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2864.056

And then there's people like John Anthony West, the late great Egyptologist, who he thinks that it goes back a lot further than that. And he thinks that that society probably had its ups and downs and that it might be as old as 30,000 years ago. Oh, wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2879.37

So this Younger Dryas impact theory, and if anybody's interested in it, I've talked about it too much, go to – pay attention to Randall Carlson's stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2887.878

Go to his website. Yeah. There's physical evidence that we were hit at 11,800 years ago and then again sometime around 10,000 years ago. So at least twice the world was bombarded by asteroids. And we just got a reset. Yeah. And it probably wiped out a giant chunk of civilization. Fucked up everything, changed the ice caps, flooded areas, destroyed civilizations, very little evidence left behind.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2916.501

And then we were barbarians for thousands of years. And that's why it takes so long for civilization to reemerge. So if you want to take – if you think Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and those guys are correct and also the people that are actually studying common impacts, which the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, that's real legit scientists are looking at actual data from core samples.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2941.361

So if they're right – You got a 5,000 year period of total hell. Wow. Where no one has civilization. And then civilization starts to emerge in Babylon, starts to emerge in Mesopotamia. You get Sumer, you get the reemergence probably of writing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2965.982

Probably a bunch of cannibals. Like legitimately. We know that the earth got down. We know this for sure. There's the Toba volcano. There's a Toba super volcano. Was that 70 Indonesia, I believe?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2985.436

How about fucking Yellowstone? Yellowstone will kill us all. And so this thing did kill us all 70,000 years ago, and we got down to a few thousand human beings.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

2995.845

So they can trace all the genes of people that are alive today to the survivors of the Toba volcano eruption.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3002.292

Wherever they were. But those people, that's where it all, that was left. How fucking savage were those people? The people that survived when the entire world was blanketed with volcanic dust. So you have like a volcanic winter that probably went on for years.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3020.01

And probably no plants were growing and probably people were just eating whatever the fuck they could.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3025.155

And most people probably didn't make it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3028.158

These are always my favorite shows. The people that did were probably monsters. Which is probably why when you go back in history, people are so fucking barbaric. Because they were the ancestors of the survivors of one of the most horrific things the human species has ever encountered. So it probably made us even more barbaric than if we just grew up as like hunters and gatherers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3050.406

We evolve past, you know, monkeys. We start walking on two legs. We make tools.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3057.571

Probably we wouldn't be as barbaric as we were because of these natural disasters, which forced only the most savage and ruthless people to survive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3066.577

And then it takes years and years of agriculture for people to calm the fuck down. And then eventually, and still to this day, we're still engaging in war. In 2025, we're still blowing up apartment buildings and fucking people up and gunning people down.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3106.17

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3107.871

Yeah. They'd be monsters. They'd be little monsters. Yeah. There's a lot of genes in us that I think are memories. I think there's like specific things that are in us that tell, okay, like the stories of like moms having their babies trapped under something and then all of a sudden they can lift up something that's insanely strong, like insanely heavy. Yeah. What is that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3130.002

Well, that's probably there's probably a part of you that in the past had to deal with some wild shit and had to hit levels of like super physiological strength and mental strength to tolerate what you're about to have to do. You're gonna have to fucking kill somebody with a spear. You know what I mean? There's real shit that happened. That's like in our memory.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

314.919

It's a beautiful environment to keep your head straight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3168.456

Yeah, and then you see a Comanche on the hill with a horse.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3206.678

Yes. Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3215.577

That show's insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3217.618

And it's accurate. That's really. I mean, read Empire of the Summer Moon. Oh, yeah. Have you read that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3223.62

That's here. That's right here. Yeah. That's why everybody from Texas is so fiercely independent.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3228.381

You know, these were battle tested people. They had to get through some wild shit in order to make Texas, Texas.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3239.158

You know, there's just like it's in the soil.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3270.84

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3272.502

Not just that, but the kind of people that were willing to get on a fucking boat and come from Europe without even a photograph. I know. Nobody even made a drawing of what it looked like. You got to trust these assholes. And you're on a boat for two months just trying to not get scurvy, making your way to America.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3288.491

And then you hop off and you see a bunch of brown people with deerskin loincloths on. You're like, what the fuck is this place?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3308.596

Yeah, I don't know how to get five minutes from my house. I have to follow that thing. They were using the fucking sky. They were using sextants to make their way across the ocean, staring at... Like, they had this fucking stupid thing. You ever see a sextant? Yeah. They look through it and they, like, figure out where the constellations are. Oh, I mean, amazing. Fairly accurate, you know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3329.534

I don't know. Pretty good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

334.261

No. It's uncomfortable. You don't want yes men around you. You want people that are making fun of you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3353.893

I get the dumbest pleasure from paying for things with my phone. I love it. Apple Pay is my favorite fucking thing of technology. I like look at it and then pay. Oh, I just paid with my phone. I feel like I'm in the future.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3375.569

No. Why were they beating up the Waymo?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3394.827

Why are they doing it? Oh, my God. They tore the fucking doors off of it in L.A.? Oh, they went crazy. For what? Just because. Street takeover, it says. Oh, street takeover? Wrong place, wrong time. Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3408.112

Wow. What a bunch of douchebags. This is why we can't have nice things. No, that's why L.A. can't have nice things. L.A. is so fucking gone. Mad Max there. It's so gone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

3424.83

Yeah, he does. Yeah. I mean, he wants to try. Someone's got to do something radical. You need some Rudy Giuliani type dude to go in there and clean the whole fucking city up like they did with New York City. People have to realize Times Square right now is a giant Applebee's. Yeah. But when I was a kid, when I first went to a karate tournament in New York,

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

343.291

Yeah. I think it also depends on what is your personality. Some people are like very deeply, deeply insecure and they really almost desire yes men just to maintain stability. Some people are very weird, you know, and you don't know it because their public face is that they're normal, you know, their public face when they're getting interviewed, they know how to like turn it on for five minutes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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I was probably 18 maybe the first time I went to New York. And I remember driving in where it felt like you were entering the Death Star. I couldn't believe it. It was so crazy for me being a kid and I was driving with my friends and we were all going to this tournament at Madison Square Garden. And as we're driving through the West Side Highway, you're just looking at these fucking buildings.

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Like, you can't imagine this is real. And we went through Times Square. And Times Square was Mad Max. Oh, yeah. It was bad. Mad Max in the 80s. Yeah. I mean, it was crazy. It was all peep shows and porno booths and hustlers. And people got shot there all the time. It was really crazy. We wanted to see like what it was like. We wanted to like do it.

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One of the things that I did when I first moved to New York, which was 92, 91. How long were you in New York? I was only in New York for three years.

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And then LA? I went back and forth for a little while, but then I kept an apartment in New York for like the first, I guess the first year.

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But I never went there. I was just like, I had become an LA person. Yeah. You know, I was working. Okay. And, but when I first moved there, I'm like, okay, everybody says that Harlem is scary. Let me just go see what it looks like. So I drove my little fucking Honda through Harlem. I just wanted, I want, I wanted to go through. And I was like, what am I doing?

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Like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. Like people were just like walking in the middle of the streets. There was abandoned cars. It was fucking crazy. And then they gentrified the whole thing. And I don't know which one's better. Like now when you go there, it's all just neon lights and bad food. Yeah. And back then it was, yeah. Gritty. It was like, you know, taxi driver. Yeah.

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You know, it was fucking.

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It's too wild to raise kids. In some parts of it. But in other parts of it, you're just going to raise weird kids. But L.A.

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Two times the size of Manhattan. It's insane. Has been burned to the ground.

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But then when you're around them all day, you know, they're fucking crazy, which is why they're successful in the first place, which is really weird. It's like what got you the dance is literally mental illness.

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Well, I think people are very furious right now. I think if there's going to be change, it's going to have to happen while people still have the memory of this thing. Because the more time goes on, the more the cultists can convince other cult members that they're on the right track and these are the kind, compassionate people and this is the way to do it. And this is the only way.

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And blue no matter who. And vote blue. Vote blue. And protect the trans kids. And next thing you know, the same shit happens.

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But think about how many people are in Hollywood in Los Angeles.

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Whatever the number is, there's a giant percentage of those people that live there that are connected to the entertainment business. And if you're connected to the entertainment business, at the very top of the business, it's people auditioning for things. And you have to get liked to get the thing. So you get these immensely insecure people that are usually narcissists.

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And then they mold their personality to adapt to this environment that will reward them for a certain political ideology. And so that's the top of the fucking pyramid. And everything emanates down from that. If you want to be cool with Ryan Reynolds, you have to talk like a Democrat at the parties. You know what I'm saying? You have to say all the things that everybody else is saying.

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You have to agree. We need more gun control. We should defund the police. This is bullshit. You have to say these things. And if you don't say these things, you don't get to be a part of the group. And so there's this intense pressure to conform to this singular ideology that's been running things. It's not a battle back and forth between two 50-50 opposing viewpoints. It's like 90-10.

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That's the 10.

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Yeah. That's the 10. The crew is the people. They're hardworking, normal, blue collar people. Yeah. Yeah. They're normal. Yeah. There's a lot of the crew people were very Republican. You know, they all live in Santa Clarita or something like that. Yeah.

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Yeah. Most people that are actually working class realize that it's all bullshit. It's a hustle. Yeah.

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You have to be fiscally conservative. You have to fiscally conservative, responsible with your money and then socially liberal. That's what you have to do.

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They just went real far. But it's not liberal to allow biological males to compete against biological females in sports because you're being kind. You're just enabling mental illness and you're enabling the potential for creeps to make their way into women's locker rooms. Right. Because you don't have any sort of a metric. There's no way to gauge whether or not someone's really trans.

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Is he doing stand-up now?

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So you have perverts with hard dicks that are wandering around women's locker rooms.

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And that's real. No, I know. And if you say something against them, you're a Nazi. Yeah. So it's fucking through the looking glass, like completely. But it just shows you how it's really just about conforming to an ideology. It's not about a real core set of standards and beliefs.

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I heard he's doing stand-up. I heard he's going to do stand-up or he's planning on doing stand-up.

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Because the core set of standards and beliefs, and this is where things like USAID come into play, they can be manipulated. They can be manipulated by a mass psyop that you do through the media. And that is the core thing of this. What we're getting to is essentially the fucking coffin where the vampire sleeps. And that's what USAID is. They found the coffin.

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And maybe that coffin does hand out sandwiches in Guatemala or something occasionally. But for the most part, what they're doing is they're controlling the entire federal government and they're controlling the mindset, the zeitgeist of the population. And they're funding all these people that go along with this wacky shit. And they're attacking –

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They're openly attacking and trying to censor people who go against. Yeah. And they're spending your tax dollars to do so. Yeah. Your tax dollars get funneled to NGOs. NGOs start attacking people that have differing ideologies.

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You have to rip the Band-Aid off. And the only way to rip the Band-Aid off, someone's got to get into those fucking books and find out what's going on. And what they found so far is very enlightening. And it's not good. It's not good at all. So anybody that's not commenting on the, hey, you know what? They are finding a lot of unbelievable waste and corruption.

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But also, he shouldn't be able to do that. They're not even saying he's finding insane waste and corruption. And he's finding this circular loop of funding. And he's finding this manipulation of public perception on a wide variety of issues, including COVID vaccines. Yeah. The border, all these different things.

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He could totally do Mothership with Mike. Okay, so we're going to make that happen. We have Sunday and Monday nights. Yeah, that's what I said. I was like, talk to Joe. Oh, I'd let him go up and do a guest spot on one of my shows. Fuck it.

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They were actively involved in mind-fucking the entire country, and no one's addressing that from the left. So they're losing more and more credibility. So all they can cling to is he has access to people's social security numbers and private information. Really? Is that it?

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The whole government does, by the way. But he's saying that he's going to do something bad with it. Like, what is he doing? What he's doing is uncovering insane corruption. That should be the primary thought that everybody has is, oh, my God, we have this enormous deficit. But spending is completely out of control.

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And look what it's being spent on, because this is the first time we're ever getting a fucking peek into the coffin.

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We didn't we didn't know. We're like, we see it. It's in the dark room. We hear the fucking organ. We didn't know what was in the coffin. Yeah, we do.

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Did you see that DNC meeting where they were talking about gender roles?

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But this is what I mean. They can't even do their own math. They're trying to figure out like we have one non-binary and one identifies as male. We have to have two identify as this.

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He's funny, man. He's fucking funny. When he said that viral clip when you're an ableist, and I'm like, an ableist? He's like, she's a retard.

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Also, if you don't want the male vote, that's the guy. When that guy has his arm up in the air, his arm literally looks like that ancient guru that keeps his one arm in the air for like 80 years and his arm is shriveled up into the stick. That's what it looks like. He's like, fight. Like, bro, you're not fighting shit. This is so crazy.

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It's just not their side. So their side is good. Not their side is bad, which is why they're not looking. You don't. It has to crumble. You have to watch these people implode. They have to double down. It has to get worse. And then more people have to abandon them to the point where someone has to rise and it'll have to be a young person.

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And that young person will have to be a sensible person who actually is like a real progressive who recognizes that there's a lot of fucking actual corruption and real problems with the system. And then there could be a lot more social programs that would help people that would make the whole world a better place. And those people have to rise and they have to be not ideologically captured.

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He's so quick. Oh, his timing is excellent. He's such a smart guy. Yeah. He's so fucking, except when it comes to like the whole anarchy thing. We don't need cops. I'm like, listen, bitch, you need a cop just to keep me from you. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? You don't need cops. What are you talking about? Shut the fuck up. You need cops.

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They have to be reasonable, intelligent people. The problem is everybody comes out of universities and all these universities are captured. All these universities are filled with these radical ideologies that people are indoctrinated in. You leave your parents. You don't want to – fuck my parents. They're fucking – my parents are fascists.

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So it's like a process that has to take place.

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Yes. So it's unquestionably, without a doubt, they are being taught this.

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And they got all the way to Harvard, the top of Harvard. Yeah. Yeah, which is wild. As a plagiarist, got to be the president of Harvard. It didn't matter if it made sense. It mattered if it fit the narrative.

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Way less people vote in the midterms.

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Yeah, we were right. We're defending ourselves. We were right. We were just a little off in timeline.

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But I do think... But we were right about the general. Well, I think... That red wave happened.

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They're going to keep shedding people. They're not going to correct course. This is a buffalo drop. Do you know those buffalo jumps? No. The Native Americans used to, one of the ways to hunt buffalo was to get them to the edge of a cliff and just run at them, and they'd just fall off the edge of the cliff, and then people would be waiting on the bottom, and they'd butcher them and eat them.

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We're in that pile of buffalo. We're all being run off the cliff. Yeah, they're going to go off the cliff. There's no way they're not. They're not course correcting at all. You know, they're saying stupid shit. It's all nonsense.

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Their understanding of social media and the dynamics that you set up by having completely state-controlled mainstream media where they only said the narratives that you guys wanted. They all said it in step. So you could watch different programs, repeat the exact same words, exact same phrases. We know they got talking points. We don't trust you anymore. We don't trust the New York Times.

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No, I mean. I don't want to hear that no law and order nonsense. Shut the fuck up.

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We don't trust the Washington Post. We don't trust CNN or any of the MSNBC. They're all full with propaganda. Yeah. And so that's why the Internet rose. It's not because there was some sort of a fucking right wing conspiracy and heavily funded. No, you guys suck. Yeah. You guys fucking suck. And you're not real people. Nobody wants to hang out with Brian Stelter. You know what I'm saying?

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None of these fucking people are people that people can actually relate to and like.

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Yeah, you're dead. You're dead. I'm going to steal your food on day one. Shut the fuck up.

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Do you remember that old cartoon where there was the sheepdog and the coyote, and they would say hi to each other in the morning and punch in, and then they would fuck each other up all day?

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Morning, Ralph. Morning, Sam.

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Well, that's what it's really like. It's pro wrestling.

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You know, I mean, that's one of the things that Kamala Harris said after her debate with Joe Biden, where she believed Joe Biden's accuser that he had sexually assaulted some woman. Remember that? She said she believed it. And then they asked her about it on Colbert. She's like, it was a debate. Yeah. It was a debate. And they're laughing. Of course. It's just a debate.

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Now you're his fucking vice president. This is so nuts. So you said you think the guy's a rapist and now you think he's awesome to run the country and you're so proud of him. We did it, Joe. Like, this is crazy.

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We can't trust you if you're willing to do that for a debate.

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Your debate should be what you really think. You should say, I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. It's a very troubling accusation, but of course I don't know what happened. For you to say that you believe it just because you want to win – Now, all of a sudden, I have to say, well, I don't know if I can trust you about foreign policy.

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I don't know if I can trust you about the economy. I don't know if I can trust you about censorship and the need for social credit score, all these different things. What is the real person behind these actions? Are you entirely motivated by money and influence? Because that seems like a lot of them. It's

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Are you armed?

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Yeah. Well, that's important.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Maybe not. Do you know how to use it? Yeah. Do you train?

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They're very confused. Have you seen the Kamala one doing the Heil Hitler?

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You haven't seen it? I'll send it to you, Jamie, if you haven't seen it. Look, a lot of people do that gesture. That gesture is from my heart to you. That's what it is. It's just you really shouldn't do that if you're standing on a stage and you have an angry look in your face.

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Yeah. Okay. That's good.

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Boy, Apple made it, like, real weird finding things now. They keep messing with this fucking interface.

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I know I have it, and I know it's good. Let me find it, you fuckheads.

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Oh, it's wonderful. Because usually it's just a picture, and then they show the context, and it's not really actually that. No, no, no, this is great. Of course it's not that. Of course the context is not that, but here. I'm sorry, this is AOC. Oh, okay.

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Yeah. No. That's right. I taught my kids how to shoot and they're very young.

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Give me the volume.

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Everybody does that move.

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Tim Walsh did that move.

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Kamala Harris did that move. They all did that move.

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Thank you. Thank you. I love you.

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That's part of the real problem. There was one actual real Nazi that I was following for a while on Twitter. I didn't even have to follow them. I clicked on their links a bunch of times and then it just started showing up in my feed. I'm like, okay, good. Now I don't have to follow you. Right. I could see this insanity.

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You got to teach them firearm safety, you know, how never have your finger on the trigger unless you're trying to shoot something.

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It was crazy.

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Look, X has porn. Hardcore porn. Oh, I know. I mean, it has everything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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It's all very weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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It's all very, very, very weird. No, it is. It's a very, very strange time for people to try to figure out what's real and what's not. And you're not going to get a good roadmap from your leaders. You're just not.

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You know, we said that today because what did they post? That was the video, right? Oh, yeah. The fake video. Yeah. We are the fake news now.

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Ever, you know, ever. Don't hold the gun with your finger on the trigger. Always point it away, even if it's not loaded. Point it away from people. Point it at the ground. Point it away. People around pointed in a direction where there's no human beings.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah. I, this is my thing. Oh my God. Is that real? That doesn't seem real. No. Let me see if that's real. And then I check. Yeah. But that's something over time. Before, when I was younger, I'd be like, I want that to be real. So that's got to be real. Right. Right. That's a problem.

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Yes, that's right.

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That's me with UFOs. That's my whole UFO take. Because I clearly, I want them to be real so bad. I want them to be real so badly. I got one on my desk here. I want them to be real so bad. But the more I fucking look into it, the more... I don't believe. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think a lot of it is horseshit. A lot of it. But also, maybe some of it's real.

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It doesn't seem like it even makes sense that that's true, so I don't think that that's true. But I do not know if we've been visited, but I think a lot of it is bullshit. I think it's not just bullshit. I think it's probably government-coordinated bullshit. I think there's probably sightings that are mass psyops where they're trying to see how people react to things.

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You know, understand. Check and see. Yeah. Always check and see. There's not a bullet in the chamber. This is how you rack it. This is how you do it. Yeah. It's like you should know how to use them just because if God forbid something ever happens, it's horrible. Your house gets broken into. And, you know.

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I think there's probably crafts that the United States is in possession of that absolutely look like UFOs. I think there's probably propulsion systems that they use for drones that are infinitely more advanced than we currently think the state of the art is.

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But that doesn't account for the sightings that occurred when it was impossible for that technology to exist.

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5010.043

That doesn't take you back to like 1950s with Kenneth Arnold where he saw those flying disks moving through the sky, which is where the term flying saucer came from because it was like saucers skipping across a lake.

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There's a lot of possibilities. There's a lot of possibilities. Another possibility is that the world's not real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah, that there's something. Maybe saying the world's not real is not the best way to put it.

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Maybe the best way to put it is that it's not real the way we think it's real. Like there's real consequences to your actions. There's real physical laws that exist in the experience that you're having as a conscious creature moving through this world. But this world's not totally solid all the time. It's solid when you interact with it.

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The rest of it is vague and weird and malleable and that it's constantly changing. And that you wake and sleep and wake and sleep and assume that every time you wake up, you're in the same exact area, the same space, the environment looks the same. But it might be a completely different dimension.

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with the actual creation of an artificial reality.

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5120.691

Yeah, it all seems so real, but it also seems fake. Well, more and more. I'm sure you know the whole Barron Trump story, the ancient books that talked about a guy named Elon is going to go to Mars. No. You never saw about that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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It is so crazy that even Elon saw that and was like, is this real? How is this real? Was it from 1853?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Because it's about a guy named Barron Trump and his guru is named Don. Oh, what?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Barron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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It is from 1893. 1893?

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Nearly forgotten, Barron Trump's marvelous underground journey blends a science fiction and fantasy in a story told by little Barron Trump, an aristocrat boy, there you go, that's what he is, who sets out from Castle Trump, which is where he lives, to discover a world within a world that he read about in a 15th century manuscript, celebrated thinker in philosophy, he learned Spaniard Don from.

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Don. Don, his guy Don, yeah, joined Barron Trump and his faithful dog and companion, Bulger. They set off a northern Russian search of his portal, so it's subterranean. But there's also the other thing, they go back to Castle Trump, there's the other thing about Wernher von Braun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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5202.969

So Wernher von Braun, who was the head of NASA, wrote a novel, a fictional novel, about a guy named Elon that takes us to Mars. Yeah, so there's like parts of reality that don't seem real.

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They seem like a wink, like an Easter egg, like someone is like winking at you through the simulation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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You're a part of it. It's your version of it that you're going through. You are... The person is experiencing your world. I just don't know if your world and my world are exactly the same.

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I think they're bubbles. I think they're bubbles. And I think the way you interface with the world changes what your bubble consists of.

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Yeah. And I think it's all very... It's very weird. I don't think it's as simple as that rancher lady thinks when she gets up and feeds her chickens. I think that's her world. Right. That's her world. But I think the universe itself and how we interact consciously with it and all the things around us, I think it's squirrely. I think it's real squirrely.

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And I think every now and then the universe shows us something like this fucking Werner Von Braun book. where you go, what? Even the name Elon and Mars, what are the fucking odds? And then it turns out that Elon was actually named by his father when his father read that book.

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But no, even crazier. What is the odds your son is going to be the guy who goes to fucking Mars?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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5324.161

Well, you saw the square. Yeah. That square on Mars. Is that real? Yes, that's real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5329.403

That's a real image. It's a real satellite image of Mars where you see a square structure. By the way, it's right down the street. It's like a hike away from Cydonia, the face on Mars. So it's a hike away from that thing that they saw from the, oh God, I want to say it was like the 1970s.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5348.071

They sent a satellite to Mars to take photographs of the surface and they saw this thing that looked like a face. The face on Mars, though, it seems like what that is is just light with shitty resolution, and it looked like a face. What's interesting more about the face on Mars, so that's the original image. Okay. See, the problem with that is it's not clear enough. It could be anything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

535.816

And you pull the trigger, but it's not around the chamber.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5371.517

Now, go to the modern images of the face on Mars. You can see them right there. It's right below. See the slide right there where you just were. To the right. To the right. Yeah, right there. Click on that. So that's what it actually looks like.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5384.705

So you could see how that just looks like a mountain.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5388.448

But what's interesting is the shape of it. The shape of it is weird, how it curves at the bottom, and it's kind of equal-sided, and it goes up to the top and has right-angle turns. So that image of what that thing is, where that's located, is just a small hike away from this immense square that they've discovered.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5407.803

That's 200—they don't know exactly how big it is, but the rough estimate is somewhere around 200 meters across. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5415.729

It's a structure. That's what I think it is. I don't think it can be anything other than a structure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5423.451

He thought it was wild.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5426.472

I sent him a text message. I said, imagine if you go up there and you find evidence of a previous civilization. He's like, that is fucking wild. It's wild because that's a real square.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

543.006

Oh, that happens. That happens. People panic. You know, if you're not used to like high pressure situations and you expect to be able to shoot somebody, Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5440.379

It doesn't seem like it's possible for it to be a perfect square.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5446.08

No, no, no. No, it's real. It's real. It's very disturbing because that's a fairly high resolution image. And Elon has backed a mission to Mars to go and check that out. They want to check it out. See, there's an article right there from the Daily Mail. Elon backs mission to Mars. where he wants to send something up there to check it out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5467.608

If you see these images, I don't think there's a chance in hell that that's not made by someone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5474.134

I don't think that nature makes a square. No. Is that a rectangle or a square? I mean, is it perfectly square? It might be slightly off. Whatever it is, it's four right angle turns that have equal lengths.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5493.091

Conspiracy theorists is a nice way to put it. How about just people looking at it going, what the fuck is that? I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5501.995

They're assholes and they work for the Daily Mail. So it's right down the street from that area, which is really crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5511.519

I don't think anybody really thinks it's a face anymore. If you scroll up and look at that image from July 1976, that image... What's interesting to me is not the face because I don't think it's a face. But what's interesting to me is the shape of the base of it. The shape of the base of it is weird. Yeah. It's flat on the bottom, equal sided and domed on the top. It looks unnatural.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5530.769

It doesn't mean it's unnatural. There's a lot of shit that looks unnatural in nature that is actually natural, but not squares. That giant square where it looks like building.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5543.417

Yes. Well, the thing is, Mars had a real atmosphere. Mars has liquid water. Right. We know it does. And at one point in time, they think that Mars was capable of sustaining life. So if you imagine the planets over time get further and further away from the sun. Right. If you go back a billion years, how much closer was Mars to the sun? Right. And what was the temperature like?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5567.747

And we were like Venus. What was the atmosphere like? Yeah. Yeah. There's people that believe that the initial civilization escaped Mars and came to Earth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5581.181

Well, there's one. Europa or something? Yeah, Europa. That's solid ice. And they think underneath that, well, the surface is solid ice. And they think underneath that is liquid water. And liquid water is capable of supporting life. So it's possible, especially when you see like those thermal vents that they find in the bottom of the ocean that sustain some form of life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5598.808

There might be some form of life inside the oceans of Europa.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5603.69

No. No, I'm not joking about Mars. That image, it sounds really crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

561.87

Well, in everything, but podcasting for sure, because, well, there's a lot of people that aren't performers that are in podcasting. I think they're even more mentally ill because those are the people that are like deep in the fucking social media comments all day and seeing people shit on them and they're out of their fucking minds. There's a bunch of them that are just off the rails.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5610.295

Sometimes. I used to have this whole bit about Mars. But there's places in America that you can't live to. Like, go to Death Valley. Look around. Sucks, right? No one lives here. Like, that's because it sucks. Get out of here. You're not going to fix that and you're going to go fix Mars? I mean, I have no desire. The whole planet has no air.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5635.37

They also think they're a cat. I'm also a foxkin.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5654.815

No, I haven't watched it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5656.575

Is it good?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5682.981

Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, that's all possible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5691.705

Yeah, but how are we going to get vitamin D down there? It's not good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5697.308

Vitamin D from plants?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5711.139

Oh, stand-up wise? Yeah. Yeah, just having fun. Yeah. Just trying to come up with a new hour and fucking around. It's so fun. It's a weird time for comedy. Do you think? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's a really good time for comedy. Well, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5729.226

Yeah. There's so much information. But it's a weird time, too, because, you know, like the center of comedy has now moved to Texas. That's awesome. So that's weird. That's a crazy thing. And it's also moved online, which is also a crazy thing. Like the main promotional aspect of comedy is now online. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5777.153

It's just a different medium. That's all it is. I've talked to... I mean, it's no different than you being on some Comedy Central show. It's just way more impactful.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5794.329

Oh, people want to chime in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

580.724

They fight all day. They fight all day with each other, and you see them over the years get progressively more and more insane and more and more aggressive to each other.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5814.398

interesting right so they're accustomed to seeing like like the crowd stuff yeah and so they think they're actually helping you by heckling so that you can get your i don't think they think they're helping you i think they want to be heard they want to be a part of it that's the way they get in i'm helping you just want to chime in yeah i saw some video clip of some lady losing her shit on some guy in the audience oh i saw this yeah it's very weird

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5843.292

It's not really amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5849.555

It's also not very well handled. The whole experience is not expertly, there's not a lot of humor in there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5863.841

Well, that's not comedy. That's just talking, people talking. And one person with a microphone and power and one person in the audience is like challenging that and give me the microphone and it's fuck you and you're being a piece of shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5882.788

Well, that's with everything, right? Clips from podcasts are way more popular than the podcasts themselves.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5887.752

So many clips go viral on, you know, X. Do you think TikTok's going to be banned? No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5894.777

No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5895.658

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think so. The fucking president uses it. I met the fucking CEO of TikTok when I was at the inauguration.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5905.725

Like being in Satan's balls.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5911.403

Just going to the actual fucking... Inauguration? The actual house of government, being in the actual buildings where all this stuff gets done, it's very, very strange.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5923.986

A couple days.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5932.107

It's like really rich, entitled people that donated a lot of money, and they just jump in front of you to take pictures with you. They don't care who you're talking to. They don't care. Everybody was like super pushy. It's all very transactional. Everybody needs to get on your podcast and needs to talk to you about a thing. And you have to get this person.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5950.452

It's like everything's exhausting and everybody's wealthy. And they're also they spent a lot of money to get there. Like a lot of those people, they donated like a million dollars.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5959.594

So it's like tons of thousands of people donated a million dollars.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

596.036

Not just exhausting, but detrimental. It's a tremendous waste of resources. It's really bad for you mentally, like your own mindset. It's bad if you're in conflict with someone all the time, especially if you could have avoided it. You don't admire yourself if you're doing that. There's no way you're like, hey, I'm on the right track. There's no fucking way. There's no way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5966.087

And they're all fucking just super enthusiastic because their team just won. Right. And it's the inauguration of the president and Kid Rock's there and everybody's going crazy. It was fun for a while. It was me and Tony Hinchcliffe and Theo Vaughn and...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

5982.549

lex logan paul was there oh yeah i saw that and jake paul and we were all having a good old time we were laughing and having fun and then too many people just started swarming us and then it was just like you're dealing with like 10 000 people in this room and you can't move you can't go anywhere right and it got crazy so you couldn't have a conversation you had to just try to get out of there was the inauguration like

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6.216

Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. This is the thing is no one's happy with just being like a little successful. You get a little successful and then they want to get more.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6012.928

Oh yeah, it was very weird. Very, very.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6016.089

Oh, I was on the stage. I was in the fifth row.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6021.138

I was like right there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6023.16

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6025.542

Yeah. I could have thrown a pebble and hit Hillary Clinton in the head. They were right there. It was weird. It's first of all, it's weird watching like Bill Clinton walk into a room. Right. He's real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6039.513

All the shit that guy's escaped. And there he is right there on TV. Hey, how you doing? Good to see you. Good to see you. Weird. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird seeing those people. It's funny they let you in there. I know, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6059.711

I thought of that a little. But, you know. It's cool. It was weird. You only get to be at one of those maybe once in your life if you're really lucky, especially that one, which was indoors because it was insanely cold outside.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6075.981

Oh, yeah, it was cold as fuck outside, too. Definitely better for security, but it was very cold outside and windy and shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6107.071

Well, it feels strange, right? It feels strange that it's real. It also feels strange that we're standing up because there's a standing ovation every 15 seconds. We're going to turn the Gulf of Mexico into the Gulf of America. We're all standing up. Fuck yeah, we're going to do that. It was fun watching George Bush. George Bush was the only guy clapping. He was having a good time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6128.429

All the other presidents looked deeply disturbed. Kamala Harris had this motherfucker look on her face the entire time like... She sat there like this the entire time. Well, I mean... Very upset. Obviously. Well, also, he's talking about how bad they sucked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6144.153

And they're right there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6146.536

And she's sitting right next to Biden, who's... Who's not there. He's just gone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6151.882

Yeah. And then behind them is... Obama and George W. That's wild, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

616.596

You know you're retarded.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6170.605

One bomb. Yeah, I think they're aware of that. I think there's probably steps taken to make sure that the skies are clear.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6177.048

But it's very strange. But also kind of exciting because like if he really does get to do all this stuff, like if we really do see radical change, it seems like that's what's happening. And if Bobby Kennedy really does get in and if Tulsi Gabbard really does get in, like this is a crazy time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6196.633

This is like an unprecedented cabinet of people that are kind of unified and all know each other. They're all friends.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6227.243

It's bizarre.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6268.67

Oh, the Gaza thing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6274.375

I thought I could. It's, yeah, I mean, what's the alternative to that happening? They're saying no U.S. military will be there. The United States is going to clean it up, rebuild it, give it to the Palestinians, make it safe. Oh, okay. Get rid of Hamas. I mean, the thing is what Palestinians want is a state.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6293.892

They want their own state. And this is like a step sort of away from that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6297.675

Now it'll be that section of the, that area is now controlled by the United States. What the fuck?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

630.286

That's a good point. That's a different thing, right? How much are people like, what's the highest earner on X? How much can you make?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6307.463

The question is like, what's the better option? Like give it to Hamas. What's the better option? Give it to the Palestinians and they give it to the Islamic state. Like who, who gets it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6318.473

Also, how did you let it happen in the first place? How did this administration let them just bomb the fucking shit out of all those people and blow up an entire city to the point where you could even feasibly say that you'd rebuild it? Because it's not like before this had happened, if anybody had ever said the United States is going to go into Gaza...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6340.178

and completely rebuild it and make it the United States. Everybody's like, fuck you. You need to give that to Palestine. But once you blow it up, you're like, well, I guess there's nothing left. People are pushing back against it. A lot of people are upset, but not as upset as they would if they didn't blow it up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6355.988

Yeah, because it's weird. It's horrible. And we've just accepted the fact that this is what Israel did. For 1,200 people and 250 hostages, they killed 60,000 people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6371.95

I don't know what the number is. Yeah. What's the current number of people that are dead in Gaza right now?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6386.903

They already won the war. I mean, what war? It's one army. There's one army and some terrorists. It's like Bill Hicks' joke about Iraq. It's only a war when there's two armies fighting. They're like, whoa, Bill, Iraq's the fourth largest army. He goes, yeah, well, after the top two is a huge drop off. He's like, the Salvation Army is number three.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6410.006

Of course. But also, we don't live in Israel, right? We don't have to live with the Iron Dome because missiles are being shot into your city and you watch them explode up in the sky because your military has these rockets that shoot up in the sky and missiles and take these fucking missiles out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6444.875

Well, that's the deepest conspiracy theory about why it happened in the first place. It's because Netanyahu was losing power and people were protesting against him in the streets. And what better way to get everybody on your side than to allow an attack to take place? That's the darkest of the false flag conspiracy theories.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6479.317

Yeah. Well, anytime you have a big tragedy like 9-11, you're always going to have a bunch of wild theories. But some of them are interesting. Yeah. You know, you're supposed to dismiss them all because they're conspiracy theories. But Tower 7 is like, explain that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6504.778

That's a weird one. That's a weird one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6512.338

It collapses like a controlled demolition completely into its base. No building's ever done that before without being a controlled demolition. And it doesn't have all the signature aspects of a controlled demolition. If you ever watch when they blow up one of them Vegas casinos, super obvious. It goes bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and it all collapses. It doesn't have that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6535.097

But it does have something similar in that the effect is the same. So is it possible to do that without having it the way the casinos do it? Is there only one way to have a controlled demolition of a building? Or is it possible that just immense diesel fires weaken the structure uniformly in such a weird way that it collapsed exactly like a controlled demolition, but it's just the result of this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6560.634

It's a coincidence. Yeah, they had diesel generators in the basement of that thing, and the whole fucking inside of it was on fire. So when you see it on the outside, you only see a little bit of fire and some holes, but the entire inside of it was in flames.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6574.726

Maybe that. Maybe that's another wink.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6582.012

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6584.053

No, but we did have plenty of people that were questioning it once they saw it on television. Because you saw it on TV and you're like, what is that? Yeah. How does it do that? That wasn't even hit by a plane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6596.024

Oh, without the Twin Towers? I don't think I actually saw it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6601.409

I was there in 2001. Yeah. Maybe 2002. It was probably like a couple of months after September 11th.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

662.568

And a lot of people post things that are just not true. And Elon reposts them all the time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6621.538

They were so huge.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6629.26

How jarring it was. I thought it was weird too that when they rebuilt it, they didn't make it as tall.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6635.277

Oh, it's only one building now. It's not two. I know. And it's not as tall. Like, it's pretty tall. But they didn't get crazy. We're going to make the biggest fucking building the world's ever seen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6649.225

Trump was there. But we're going to have two buildings on the side and one right up your ass. It's like, fuck you. It looks like that. It's smaller. Smaller than the original buildings.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6667.854

Yeah, that's what it looks like now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6670.755

Is it the tallest building in the U.S.? Yeah, but it's not as tall, right? I don't know what the height was. I think it's shorter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6683.69

No, not in the world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6687.994

Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6689.856

Where's the Sears Tower? Chicago. That's taller than the World Trade Center?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6694.721

Whoa. Now this is the tallest. I didn't know that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6700.433

So the Twin Towers were taller than the Sears Tower? They were shorter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6718.578

I don't know that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

673.556

Yeah, he doesn't have the time, first of all. Give the guy a break. He's running government programs along with SpaceX, along with Tesla.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6734.599

So it's taller? Yep. Really? Yeah. Wait a minute. Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6748.386

Can I see the image again?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6751.387

No, no, no.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6762.47

Some of it's to talk to aliens.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6766.231

Okay, I'm wrong. I thought it was shorter. Maybe what they were saying is it's smaller because there's only one instead of two.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6777.572

How tall is that fucking Spire?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6799.348

I was just looking through it to see what... Well, that's one thing with the video that we saw. Oh, look at that. Interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6812.735

Oh, it fell and fucked up the building. But still... Still, why didn't it just fall into that side? Why does it compress into its base? The way it collapses, like I've never seen anybody adequately describe it. But one thing that people should know is that the top of it collapsed before the whole thing collapsed. There was this piece on the top, so the roof caved in first. Uh-huh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6836.96

Like there was like, there's a smaller structure on top of the roof that imploded and went through the base. Okay. And then the whole thing went under. So it wasn't like it all went in one shot. The top of it had already collapsed and went through.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6864.74

I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6886.241

Well, everything did go to shit because that's when they passed the Patriot Act.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6889.362

And that's when the government really got its hooks into your information.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6912.833

Okay. That's what you were saying right there. So it's not much different, though. I thought it was a lot different, like 10 stories or some shit. So it's 104 floors. And four basement floors. And the other one was 110 floors. Yeah, how many basement floors?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6927.893

Also, it's like, how tall are the floors? You know? I hope this one doesn't.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6940.241

No. Why would they do that? I think they have those tools and power to actually, they'll use it as an excuse to go get terrorists.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

695.775

Yeah, that was one, right? That fake talk show? Yeah. There was a fake talk show that he boosted. The other thing that we should probably tell people is that Politico thing is not true.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6952.328

Yeah. Well, then they have the Patriot Act 2, which is even more invasive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6956.991

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

6961.594

Maybe. But the real neocons will come out and say that weakens us against our enemies. We need this power to be able to find terrorists and to be able to search out. I mean, that was one of the things that the Obama administration, when they passed the NDAA, they go, you know, we're not going to do it. We're not going to just like detain people indefinitely. We wouldn't do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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But the problem is you're given the law. That law is now in the books. And now the next person, what if it's a psycho? And the person after that, what if it's a psycho? Right. Now you've given them power to become a dictator. Right. And go after their political enemies, which normal people won't do, right? You guys don't do that, right?

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I don't think people learn that good. I think people learn by having their lives ruined and getting really angry. Right. And then they change course. But I think the people that are still comfortable and still working in these environments that still cling to these ideas, they're going to double down and wear a pussy hat and fucking paint their hair blue and protest in the streets.

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The $8 million thing. The $8 million is $8 million from all the government organizations from 2016 to 2024. So it's an eight-year period. And then there's some kind of wacky premium subscription that you can get from Politico.

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Are you a sergeant now? What are you?

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Well, you know, as a drunk waitress, you're one of us. You're a human. And humans, there's a lot of people that have opinions and ideas on things. They're just not good at articulating it. Or they never learned how to articulate it. But everybody does what we do. Or everybody can do what we do. They do it with their friends. They talk with their friends. They bullshit about stuff.

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And, you know, it's just a process of...

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He got re-educated. Sure, I guess. Didn't you? When we had a strike, you had to do the little classes. Oh, that's what you're talking about.

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He got re-educated.

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He's better now. Because we told factual information about COVID-19.

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7182.661

Yeah, it was because it was like a long time ago.

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7191.722

I don't know what they're doing. They're probably just using their algorithm and going after everything and

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Oh, that's dangerous.

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Shouldn't give that advice out. People shouldn't be doing that.

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Well, what do you think is going to happen when you're looking at all this crazy shit right now with Doge and the uncovering of USAID and this dismantling of this bizarre left-wing ecosystem that's pretty much manufactured? What do you see is going to happen with the rest of the country?

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That allows you instantaneous access to the news. You're not just reading the articles. You're getting the news feeds. I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Half the country is a lot of people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Ari says that. Ari says that New York City is, like, relaxed. Yeah. It's like everybody was relaxed after the election. Like, even the liberals are like, whew.

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Yeah, like, thank you, God, you saved me from myself.

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Listen, I guarantee it's organized. I guarantee it's organized by the same people that are going to lose a shitload of money based on all these discoveries at Doge. There's no way they're not. If you look at what Doge is uncovering, what they're uncovering with this USAID stuff, a lot of that stuff was organizing through NGOs' protests. They organized the attempt at getting Trump impeached.

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They also spent, USAID spent $50 million on the lab that invented coronavirus. Yeah, there's a lot of money involved in this not working. And when you have a lot of money involved, you're going to have organized protest. When you see protest, we all want to think protest like the 1960s. Yeah, fight the war, man. It's like organic protest. like peace, love, and hippie shit.

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But that's not what this is. What this is is organized, funded protests where someone is spending a lot of money and they're mobilizing other NGOs. They're using their access to these mailing lists and all these different things. They're putting these things together.

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What if it works? Like what if the world gets safer, the country gets safer, the economy improves and they don't attack civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, all these things that everybody's worried about. And then at the end of it, you realize like, hey, maybe I was wrong.

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What we're saying they is if it's like one different, like one kind of person. There's so many different people in they.

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Some of them. Some of them are going to slip right into it. Some of them are going to wake up and come around. You know, it's a test. It's a test of character. It's a test of objectivity. It's a test of introspection. There's a lot of things that are going to happen where people are going to have to wonder, like, what was I rooting for when I was rooting for this progressive liberal government?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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What was I actually rooting for? Was I rooting for warmongers? who were making insane amounts of profit by funding overseas wars. What was our rooting for? Was our rooting for a basic theft of our tax dollars that's gone to all these completely useless endeavors that were only set up as ways to pilfer money?

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Yeah.

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I think he did. I think he did, but just by buying X. But isn't it funny that he got forced into it?

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7510.476

Well, funny because he was trying to get it at a lower price because he knew that they were bullshitting about the amount of bots.

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7548.004

You can't live in that echo chamber, that blue sky echo chamber. You can't even go on there and say there's only two genders. If you go on there and say there's two genders, they ban you immediately.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7560.607

That's happened with Gab too, right?

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And I think some of that is not even real because I personally know comics who go on blue sky and just say insane leftist stuff. Just like the most preposterous thing, like maybe Duncan would do. I'm not saying Duncan does it, but he might do it. But I know comics that do that just to see the reaction, how people agree with them. Like insane stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Like my toddler, I could tell when my toddler was trans when they were three days old. And people agree with them. Oh, yeah. Jump right in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7597.57

That helps a lot. No, I'm kidding. You just got to be recognized like you're thinking. You have to have a process.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7608.598

How's that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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That's good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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I definitely do that. And then I think of like, what do I really think about something and why do I think about it that way? And I try to go, is it because it's self-serving? Is it because I've said it in the past that I want to be right? What is it? You know, like what makes me believe what I believe? Yeah.

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7635.88

And then you have to do a deep dive and all the goddamn arguments back and forth to figure out who's right and all the logic and see people ignoring certain core facts. Like this is the most fascinating thing about this USAID thing to me is how people on the left are completely ignoring all the rampant, obvious corruption.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7656.917

And conflicts of interest in the government funding non-government organizations that in turn fund the government. That's so crazy. And anybody that doesn't think that's crazy, it's like, what, do you love money influencing everything in your daily life? Don't you think that maybe we have a problem in that we have a huge deficit?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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And if part of our huge deficit, we're spending fucking billions of dollars every year on horse shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Using AI.

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Yeah. No, they're wizards. That's the kind of people that you want digging into this stuff. And that's why Elon got them. He knows the fuck he's doing. It's all very strange because it's – you're dealing with so many things that are happening at the same time. You have this technology that was never available before that is allowing people to freely express themselves online, right?

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And then you have this maniac billionaire who buys the biggest one and makes it the Wild West again. And then you have government being exposed for what it is. So you have all these – Fucking NGOs, this web of, we talked about it yesterday, this web of 55,000 different NGOs that were supporting all these liberal causes that were all completely intertwined.

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7767.464

And they had to use software to find that and to figure it out. Yeah. They're finding out that this is like this complicated propaganda network that existed. Look, that's not good. No. That's not good for anybody, left or right, because it's money. It's just money being used in a way. Wondered. Not only that, here's the thing. People say the $10 billion. It's only $10 billion, that kind of shit.

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What about the fucking people in Maui? That could have been fixed with $5 billion. The government could have said, we are going to rebuild those people's homes to the exact state and even better than where they were before. It's going to cost us $5 billion worldwide.

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All the money that we're sending over to Ukraine, all the money that we send to Israel, all the money we send to all these different organizations that work with USAID in the tune of billions and billions and billions of dollars. They could have done that.

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And instead of doing that, they're telling us that what we have to do is continue to fund all these programs in all these other countries that just so conveniently have a whole staff of people that's making a great wage and their political capital is bet on all this stuff and it all is involved with intertwined with these NGOs and all this money they're getting. And this is the thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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The person to search is Mike Benz. Go go to the Mike Benz cyber. Is it Mike Benz cyber? I think that's it. Right. His his X page. Mike Benz.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7841.433

We have to go and help these people. We're going to starve. They're going to do this. They're going to do that. What about America? What about our tax dollars going into a safety net to help people from one of the worst wildfires in history?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Or North Carolina.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7857.867

Apparently, none of those people have gotten any money in North Carolina.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7864.134

Exactly. All that could have been addressed to the same way we address problems in other countries. So if you have this amazing slush fund that USAID is and it's not being applied at all to the problems of America, why would you think people would support it?

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Why would we support it with our tax dollars when we know that the country is massively in debt?

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7930.455

The border. The border? They fixed the border overnight. I know. Overnight.

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That's what they're cracking into next.

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Forever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7954.887

Wasn't that Sonny Hostin's husband? Isn't he involved in a RICO lawsuit? Oh, I don't know. About insurance fraud?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Well, former State Department guy. And he uncovered all this bullshit while he was there. And he is insanely knowledgeable and insanely articulate and so good at expressing exactly how these things fund things and what it is. And it's... What it is is... An enormous slush fund. Yeah. That's what it is. And unaccountability and money just coming and going and flowing. And it's all circular. Uh-huh.

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Uh-huh. Yeah. Oh, I have no idea. Her husband got arrested.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Yeah. He's one of 200 people charged in some gigantic insurance fraud.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7973.155

What is that? What's the actual story behind that?

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Jamie's on it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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7995.467

Someone explained that to me, too, is that when you have a budget, say if you run an organization and it has a budget, you get money from the government and that budget's like $80 million a year, you can't spend $60 because then you're going to get $60 next year. You have to spend all $80. Right. If you don't spend all $80, you don't get it. You got to say, we need $90. We're barely hanging on.

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And so you have to charge like $500,000 for a hammer. And that's literally how they justify their existence. They're not in the business of being frugal and being responsible and making sure that the money is being spent competently. No, they're in the business of keeping their budget coming in. Sonny Host and surgeon husband Emmanuel faces solo battle in lawsuit as co-defendants agree to settle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8037.816

Oh, Jesus. So, okay. Sonny Hostin's surgeon husband has found himself in the hot seat in a massive lawsuit accusing nearly 200 healthcare providers of insurance fraud.

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8049.725

Dr. Emmanuel Hostin defiantly called himself the victim of a frivolous smear campaign last month after he was accused of providing fraudulent medical services in exchange for kickbacks in a complaint filed by American Transit Insurance Company in December 2017.

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Orthopedic surgeon now finds himself increasingly isolated after the vast majority of the defendants have now offered to settle their cases.

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According to a new court filing obtained by DailyMail.com, American Transit, which insures taxi company and Uyghur Lyft drivers, announced last Monday more than 141 of the 186 defendants named in the suit have agreed in principle to settle one of the largest RICO cases ever filed in New York. The papers filed by the law firm Manning Cass did not specify which defendants offered to settle.

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Dr. Hostin has until February 10 to respond to the legal complaint. So it has something to do with drives from the hospital and kickbacks from all this shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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So they're being accused of getting kickbacks for performing surgeries and submitting fraudulent bills. Yeah. Hosted knowingly provided, this is in quotes, knowingly provided fraudulent medical and other health care services, including arthroscopic surgeries.

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The lawsuit filed on December 17th claims American Transit was then billed in exchange for kickbacks and or other compensation, which were disguised as dividends or other cash distributions. I don't know how they know this. So I don't want to comment on this. I don't really understand what this is. This might be bullshit. It might be real.

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There's a doctor that I was just watching this whole thing on where he... I think it was 200 people he treated, it might have been more, that did not have cancer and he gave them chemotherapy. Oh my God. Yeah. He falsely diagnosed them as having cancer and then treated them for cancer. Yeah. And some of them got really sick and died. Well, yeah, it's chemo. Yeah, it's chemo.

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It's fucking killing you and wrecks your health. So even if you survive it, like your body's wrecked for a long time afterwards.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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For money, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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And his argument was that this term that they always use, you eat what you kill, and that you have to have a business. You have to keep your business rolling. So his business was making sure that people thought they had cancer and then treating them for cancer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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All circular. Donating to the Democrats. The United States government funds them. They donate to the Democratic Party. The whole thing is wild.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8223.456

Well, cancer and chemotherapy is one of those weird ones where the doctors profit off of each chemotherapy. Oh, do they? Yeah. $34 million in fraud. A Detroit area hematologist oncologist was sentenced today to serve 45 years in prison for his role in a health care fraud scheme that included administrating medically unnecessary infusions or injections to, oh, it's 553 individual patients.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8245.704

Holy shit. And submitting to Medicare and private insurance companies approximately $34 million in fraudulent claims.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8257.95

I know, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8260.091

I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8263.292

Yeah. It's really crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8271.036

I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8273.117

Yeah. No, that's so sick. I know people that have told me that they know people that have done surgeries that were unnecessary. Yeah, because they want money.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8287.665

Not just that, like orthopedic surgeries. Like back surgeries and stuff? Doctors that won't let someone try stem cells, that try to deny people stem cells. Oh, wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8300.894

Because they want to do orthopedic surgery. Yeah. Well, it can help some people, but it's not the only solution. And there's other ways to fix your back. I always tell people that there's a lot of different ways to fix back issues. I've had back issues. I didn't have surgery. I was told to have surgery. I had a bulging disc in my neck. I was told that I had to have a disectomy. I did not.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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My neck is perfect. It works great now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8323.601

I did Regenikine. Regenikine is... It's like a very advanced form of platelet-rich plasma that you used to have to go to Germany to get. I remember like Peyton Manning and Kobe Bryant and those guys, they flew to Germany to get this procedure done. And Dana White did it too. And then they opened up a place in Santa Monica where you could do it in Santa Monica. And I had it done.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8341.497

I had it done on my back. I had it done on my neck. It's amazing. They take your blood. They spin it in a centrifuge. I forget what the exact process they do. And then they pull out this liquid that is the most potent anti-inflammatory inflammation drug that you could ever find.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8358.747

So this anti-inflammation drug, it's made out of your own blood so your body doesn't reject it, this process that they do. And then they inject it in the areas around the discs and the discs all settled and they went right back into place. Wow. Yeah. I had it done on my lower back, I had it done on my upper back, and I had it done on my neck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8387.958

Yeah, I saw that Larry Ellison thing. I was like, yeah, are you making money doing this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Why is he doing it? Are you a doctor? Like, why are you doing that? Are you a doctor? Don't you own Lanai? What are you doing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8407.799

Yeah, it is possible for sure. And it's very hopeful. But, you know, I don't know if we should be telling people that it could do that maybe in the future. So invest in my company or whatever the fuck's going on, you know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8451.369

It was fucking chills down my spine. Yeah. It's going to happen, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8457.535

No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8473.343

Well, not just that. We have to do it because there's other people that are doing it. And if they get a hold of it first, it's over.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8482.966

Is it? I don't know. My friend lived. I mean, if we all have it, and it just eventually works for humanity instead of against us.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8515.157

It's all by people who don't have kids.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8532.717

They're experimenting with news ways to talk.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8564.914

Well, she probably will learn how to drive, but it won't be necessary. I think... They're going to make the argument that autonomous driving is way safer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8579.705

Yeah, I have auto drive on my Tesla. But they all have to be autonomous. Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8583.626

Exactly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8586.127

That's probably what's going to happen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8590.008

There'll probably be roads that are set up where you can allow people to drive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8595.69

I don't know. I like cars. Yeah, I do too. So it's not good. I like old cars too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8600.793

Yeah, I do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8604.596

Well, I like machines. I'm into old machines. I like the way they work.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8611.021

I know how to fix some things, but not really. Yeah. I mean, I know how to change spark plugs and change oil. Like basics? Yeah, normal stuff. But most cars don't even have spark plugs anymore. No, it's weird. Yeah, it's all...

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8623.892

wild you open up the back of like you know open up the like back of a porsche like look at the engine you're like what the fuck is that and tesla's only have one gear is this how does it i don't understand how that you've ever been in one no oh dude i didn't oh wait no i have been in one next time i have mine you got to go for a ride yeah mine's insane the new one yeah it goes zero to 60 in 1.9 seconds that's nuts it's a time machine how does it do that

The Joe Rogan Experience

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864.468

No. How do you have time to fight it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8650.06

Because it has 1,000 horsepower and four-wheel drive and incredible electrical engines that just instantly generate torque and power. That's crazy. It just takes off. They're amazing. And it also self-drives. It doesn't just self-drive. It changes lanes. It stops for stop signs. It stops for red lights. It turns. It stops. It's incredible. It changes lanes when there's obstructions in front of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8677.587

I don't. You could, I guess. People have fallen asleep at the wheel, famously.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8683.998

Like, Tesla itself will... Yeah, supposedly if you're not looking... That's kind of creepy. Yeah, it's creepy. Yeah, it's all creepy. But if you want to do it right, that's how you have to do it. You can't just let people take naps and just press play.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8699.473

Well, eventually you'll be able to do that. Eventually you won't even have a steering wheel. Eventually there'll be a pod that you get in and it takes you places.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8714.002

I didn't see that. Oh, it's so good. I never watched that show.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8717.423

Yeah, it's weird. But again, if you go back to the people that were on trains and riding horses and you say one day you're going to be able to get in a car that goes 1.9 seconds, 0 to 60, and it's going to be electric and make no sound, you'd be like, what?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8732.569

Well, one day you're not going to need to steer because steering is why people get fucked up because the cars can't detect other cars around them. They change lanes. People make mistakes. They go forward when they shouldn't. They run red lights. All that's going to end.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8771.618

People are texting. They're not paying attention.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8774.982

It was nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8786.135

He probably broke down and had to walk.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8789.637

Oh, crazy person. Decided to flirt with death.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8797.602

Does it? Compared to LA? When was the last time you were back in LA?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8802.864

People are unhinged.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8805.086

Yeah. No, I mean, it feels a little wild. And you realize it's not going to get any better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8815.583

So what do you mean by wild?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8828.607

Well, 6th Street is wild. Where the club is, that's a wild place.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8834.469

Yeah, but that also makes the club exciting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8839.331

No, not that. But all of people, the foot traffic, you know, there's an energy on that street.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8847.335

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8873.372

Are you in the left lane?

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8875.093

No?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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8878.496

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

8882.559

Well, didn't you see that in LA, too?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

8891.102

maybe out further you can how often could you get your car to 80 miles an hour driving around LA at night time I mean at night yeah but I'd see a lot of people driving super fast at night yeah yeah more unhinged people I think really yeah because I would see people driving recklessly on the 101 like when I was coming home from the store sometimes I'd be like What the fuck?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

8917.084

Well, when people live a half an hour away from the city and they want to get home quick, that's how you do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

8922.265

Gotta hit the gas.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

8937.312

Yeah, there's less people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

8959.932

Yeah. You're not supposed to be living in a place that has 20 million people. I think it's bad for you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

896.7

Like a big part of the whole left wing narrative that has like overlaid our country over the last whatever, eight years, 10 years is all propaganda funded by our own government. This is why Trump won the election. People don't really believe in these things. The amount of people that think that transgender folks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

8968.669

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

8971.01

I want to go. When you went to the pyramids, when was it? How long ago?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

8988.632

That was internet times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

8991.815

What's that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9047.876

Yeah, I definitely do. Did you get this weird feeling that like, how did this go away?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9087.999

Was this when you were doing drugs?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9111.871

It's a weird energy. Do you think you were getting this feeling like you said like here, it's in the soil. There's something in the soil here like this – fierce independence because these people are tough and they survived making it across the great plains and all that shit do you think you felt that there like this is the the the feeling of this civilization that used to exist in this place

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9166.102

And do you think that's just because of being in Egypt?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9170.626

Do you think it's because you knew what the civilization was like and it had declined and gone and now you're there and you're just psychologically dealing with this and you're kind of freaking out and putting it on yourself?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

919.216

biological males should be competing against your daughter in sports is so fucking small. But yet our own government was propping it up. And why are they propping it up? Because it's a fucking beach ball at a concert. You keep it tossing up in the air and everybody's distracted. As long as you can keep a few things going, here's the things you got to keep going. Abortion, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9299.926

You got a course correct. Yeah. It's giving you motivation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

94.76

That's kind of the key to it all. Right. Always have. I mean, it sounds so corny because it's such a new wellness way of looking at things. Have gratitude. But gratitude is like very important. It's really important to be thankful for what you have.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

942.219

Overturning Roe v. Wade is so great for business. Yeah. Because now it's like a battle, the battlegrounds and women's rights and their lives are at stake. Okay, that's one. Gay marriage. That's a huge one. Now they're going to take away gay marriage. Oh, my God. Bounce that fucking beach ball. That's a gigantic one. War is a giant one. All these different things are just fucking beach balls.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9526.818

Look, it makes sense. It was the most sophisticated civilization maybe ever in terms of their building methods and construction. You have to go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9533.543

I know I would love it. I know. I just don't have the time. I almost did it with Mr. Beast. He went in December. Oh, did he? I was going to try to do it and do it with him. He wanted to do a podcast there, but I just couldn't make it happen. I'm too busy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9545.752

I need to... Yeah, I need to take like a good solid couple weeks and go there. It needs to be something that I know that I'm going to be there for a couple weeks. And right now that's not really possible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9557.296

Yeah. I went to visit the site of the Eleusinian Mysteries, and I was with Brian Mirorescu. Where's that? It's in Greece.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9567.223

And that was wild.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9569.165

That was wild. That place has a memory, for sure. Yeah, just like touching the walls, like it just feels weird. You just feel like this is different, like you're in the presence of something very strange. That was Egypt, right? Whatever the energy, I bet Egypt was probably even more incredible, but whatever the energy of that place was, there's some of it left there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9589.677

There's some weird intangible feeling that's left there that just makes you feel very, very strange.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9613.792

There it is. Treasures from Bulgaria, Romania, and Greece.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9622.299

It's insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

963.097

And they toss them around every now and again. And in the meanwhile, they're just siphoning billions of dollars. Yeah. Zelensky just said he's missing $100 billion in the $177 billion that we supposedly sent there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9672.54

Look at the relief with two Thracians.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9701.773

Someday someone's going to be doing that with the World Trade Center. They're going to be wandering around now. This is where they used to live. They used to go to school here. They used to work in these buildings. That's going to happen. You think? Yeah, the same way we go through the Acropolis and the Parthenon and wander around and imagine what it was like living back then.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9721.886

People are going to do that with us. Every civilization collapses. We're just trying to hold this one off as much as we can. And they usually last a couple hundred years, which is ours.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9743.862

Which one?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9754.969

Yeah. I don't know if that's real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9758.836

No. The other thing, we're doing ourselves in faster than them. No, they get hit by a rock. We might too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9768.924

We were talking about Candace Owens last night. Candace Owens said dinosaurs are fake and gay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9780.037

I don't know what she means by that. She might just be having fun. This whole Bridget McCrone thing, though, is crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9787.646

No. No. No, I got no time. But I did see a comparison to the photographs of the person that she's claiming is actually like the brother.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9803.58

Yeah, the brother disappeared. And the brother literally looks exactly like her. I mean, to a fucking T.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9815.004

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9818.287

Look at these.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9821.65

I'll send it to Jamie. Because this is... I mean, she's just going all in. First of all, I don't even know if this is a real picture. I mean, this easily could be some AI bullshit that somebody created to try to pretend that the brother is actually her. But the brother is, like, not to be found. And... If that's real... See, I don't know if that's real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9845.028

I don't know if that's real because, I mean, even the fucking teeth are the same. Like, everything's the same. Every wrinkle of the face is the same. If that was my brother, if my brother looked... I'd be like, wait a minute, we're not twins? So we're not twins. Like, what?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9859.977

How so?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9862.958

Yeah, exact in the exact position, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9868.112

Right. It looks fake. It looks like somebody doctored up. Somebody used AI.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9873.795

Pretty much, right? That's probably bullshit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9877.116

Yeah. So you can't tell what's real and what's not real online anymore.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9890.902

Right, but also this is just the beginning. What are we going to be looking at five years from now? We're going to be looking at indescribable experiences that are indistinguishable from reality. Not just images, but you're going to be able to have experiences that aren't real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9912.8

Yeah, if it gets good enough.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9917.482

It's expensive and it's also weird to have something in your face. People feel weird like wearing this big clunky thing. But if you can sit down and attach something to your head and then all of a sudden you're in another world. You're an avatar flying on a fucking dragon. We're going to do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9933.55

Oh, loves it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9936.331

He goes in there every night. He has like parties and stuff. He's a nut. It's perfect for someone like him. He's a video game guy, loves the internet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9949.3

Well, Zuckerberg showed me that too. There's a metaverse comedy club.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

996.408

A lot of nonsense in the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars of nonsense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

9980.12

Well, they'll be able to get a map of how I think and how I go over things and how I go, well, maybe not. Let's look at that. And then they'll apply that sort of thinking. And they'll be able to do podcasts with me, with anyone in history. I'll be able to have a podcast with Albert Einstein.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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10005.85

Anthropologic meaning human beings killed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10032.472

And then they combine that with core samples that show large levels of iridium.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10043.499

No, that's... Iridium is actually different. Iridium is actually very common in space, but rare on Earth. Oh, yeah, yeah. And there's a layer. Yeah, there's a silt of it. That's right. The micro diamonds is what we're talking about. But they have those too as well. Trinitite. Yeah, trinitite. That's what it is. Yeah, that's the stuff from the Trinity explosion. They discovered it there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10060.247

They find these little micro... There's 100% there was impacts. That's a fact. And they also know like when the meteor shower, and this is a thing that they study, like when we go through this comet shower and that that's.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10080.822

Exactly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10092.991

That's what brings me to the weird ones when you go back to the Vedic texts. And you're like, what was the Vemanas? What were these flying things?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10129.115

Let me stop you there because a lot of those crazy balls of light. Were all fake? No, you can just zoom in on Venus. Yeah. And that's what you get.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10138.345

You zoom in on stars and you get this sort of bizarre distorted image. Have you seen those?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10144.793

Find zoomed-in stars. I think they did it with the North Star. They've done it with several stars. But if you zoom in with the highest level of these telephoto lenses from Earth, you can get that sort of distorted, weird effect.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10191.021

But that's the thing about zooming in. See, the thing is, like, these are planets that people have zoomed in on. But there's weirder ones where, like, there's video of it, and so it looks like it's moving. Yeah, here we go. Like, look at that. I'll have to see. But you see what I'm saying? Yeah. This is a perfect example. Exactly. So this is a star in the night sky with a Nikon P900.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10215.573

So is that 900X, Jamie? No. What is that? That's the model. Can you talk in the mic?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10224.814

So what would you think that the amount of... I don't know, 10x, 100x?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10229.979

Okay. But do you see how they're having a hard time zooming in on it? Because it's a handheld, I think. But look how weird it is. It looks so weird. It's how it's moving around. Like you say, oh my God, you found a UFO. But it's not. It's just a star. Well, I do hate that every UFO video is blurry or stark.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10247.011

Well, you know, I mean, that could be, if you want to get into the whole Hal Puthoff perspective, who's this brilliant physicist. Yeah, he's on a lot of papers. Yeah, he explained it to me. He thinks there's some sort of gravity distortion that's around it. So this is the camera. Well, isn't that the— This is that particular camera. So this is—is this not a very— No, it's not. But is it that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10268.624

So that's a $749 camera on Amazon.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10278.755

No, I'm not saying that they're not real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10284.542

I'm not denying that people are seeing things. But I've never seen it, though. I'm not denying that they're real. What I'm saying is that kind of evidence of that star, if you didn't know any better and someone sent it to you, oh, my God, they found a UFO, you'd be like, holy fucking shit, it's real. Look at that. It's undeniable. Look at the energy around it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10301.151

What Hal Puthoff believes is that there's some sort of distortion around these things that's allowing them to be transmedium, to go through the ocean.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10321.4

It gets boring because there's no real resolution. You could lose your mind, but I had dinner with Jacques Vallee and Hal Putoff once and a couple other gentlemen, and they were explaining the state of the technology, like what they think is currently available and what they think these things are using.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10352.263

If you imagine what we are now. Where we are, what you're describing in terms of technology that's emerging right now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10361.531

Yes. And now imagine this 5,000 years advanced. And you're probably looking at that. If we are being visited, that's what you're probably looking at.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10375.503

Now imagine the monkeying that you guys have done with dire wolves today.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10383.451

Amazing stuff you've done with dire wolves. I'm just being silly. But imagine doing that to primitive hominids. Now, if you were an insanely advanced species from another dimension, another planet, whatever it is, And you're a million years more advanced than human beings. And you come down here and you see Australopithecus, you know, trying to figure out how to make a spear. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10405.669

And you say, listen, let's put a little bit of this, a little bit of that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10419.215

And then there's the other theory that what we're looking at is human beings from the future. And if you think about what's happening to human beings, we're becoming less and less stout and muscular and we're becoming more and more less and less reliant on muscle. Yeah. And our heads are getting bigger. Yeah. That's them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10437.136

It's a bizarre archetype, right? It's a very strange thing that people keep seeing over and over and over again. It's very weird that there's a bunch of different versions of life that they allegedly see.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10459.487

The Anunnaki stuff is the most interesting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10473.094

Why did they do that and also how did the fucking ancient Sumerians have a detailed map of the solar system?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10480.519

From 6,000 years ago. How?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10488.829

Yeah. And also have these giant things with little monkey people on their laps.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10493.354

Like, what are you saying?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1051.742

Why did he say that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10520.563

Well, unlike you, I don't have the burden of being taken seriously. And that's great for discussing. That's true. I have a ghost hunter on here. That's awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10532.012

I love it. It's super interesting. I love it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10546.083

Yeah. It's very fascinating. Because we should have conversations. Yes. And the world is filled with so many fascinating things that are all happening at the same time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10554.426

And it's almost impossible. I mean, and you can get lost like we're talking about with the C.S. Lewis quote. Did you ever find that? I don't know. Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

10655.333

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1082.835

And because of sightings.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1089.382

And also incredibly remote.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1104.658

What's a singing dog?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1114.442

I want to hear that. I've never heard of this. A singing dog.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1118.764

By the way, folks, we're teasing you because this is not just theoretical. This is what's going to get crazy. It's going to get weird. This podcast is going to blow your fucking mind. Go ahead, Jamie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1144.258

Aw, they're so cute. Yeah. They're so cute. Do people keep them as pets? That looks like a dog dog.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1150.743

That looks like a dog that would be at the park.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1156.621

Wow. Pretty fucking cool dogs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1216.4

So this is the question. If you have, say, let's go to woolly mammoth. So if you have woolly mammoth and you have 99%, how do you bridge that gap?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

13.201

What's up, Ben? Hey, thanks so much for having me. My pleasure. Very nice to meet you, man. So why don't you, instead of me, why don't you explain to people what you do?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1305.906

Right. Are there specific genes that regulate size? Because they're larger.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1349.005

And so there's specific characteristics that these animals have, one of them being the big furry coats that you guys, what did you do with mice? We made wooly mice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1381.741

They were being aggressive in what way? Like why are you doing this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1389.203

My daughter actually found this online and wants one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1477.549

One of them, if it was in a trap, you'd be so sad. Yeah, exactly. Like the little guy on the left, if he was in a trap, he'd be like, oh, look what we killed. Isn't that funny? Just a little bit of fur makes you love them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1489.778

Really? They were like a blonde?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1529.555

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1531.357

So that's mammoth fur.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1618.094

Is there any plans to sell those?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1639.753

Is it dangerous, though, to leave these mice in the hands of someone, even at a zoo, who decides, I want more of these?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1660.411

Do you plan on keeping this batch alive?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1664.855

But you're not going to make new ones, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1729.56

You cannot. We're excited. They're excited, but we just can't. Yeah. Yeah, we're busy. So this is a new thing. The woolly mouse is a new thing. Is there any talk about doing other kind of new things?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1819.79

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

1820.951

Okay. So how did you make the decision to do what you ultimately did, what you showed me before the show?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

202.183

So how does one do this? Before we get to what you showed me earlier, which is fucking amazing, before that, how does one do this? From what I understand, you have to take the gene of an Indian elephant, which is the closest thing to a mammoth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2032.279

Is there...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2085.487

Is this done by AI? Is this done by programs?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2248.34

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2354.199

Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2414.764

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2581.241

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2837.547

Not yet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2854.711

Yeah. Let's see the photo of the actual grown ones because they're fucking nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2870.817

So at three months, how big are they?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2877.801

Look at that face.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2884.485

So let's go to the adults because the adults have crazy characteristics that you were saying that you didn't even know they were going to have.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

294.478

When did they go extinct?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2966.596

Doesn't it make sense for natural selection? Yeah. They're an Arctic hunting animal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2980.184

Is it like polar bears and it's hollow or is it not?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

299.342

Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

2994.012

The females as well?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

301.663

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3027.774

Let me hear.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

303.885

4,000 years ago? I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3033.719

Obviously.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3036.621

Oh, wow. Aww. Aww. Nature's cute little murderers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3058.057

Yeah. Yeah, they scream.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3062.741

Life eats life. Yeah. I mean, that's the reason why plants have chemicals to dissuade us from eating them. What are they eating there?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3083.779

And they chew on them like a dog does. Like a dog does, right. So are you letting these animals kill things, or are you feeding them?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

31.758

Yeah, and that is a wild thing. I mean, this is essentially, literally wild. This is essentially real-life Jurassic Park.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3109.512

Are you going to let them hunt?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3147.908

Yeah. that they're starting to exhibit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3188.662

And it's just fascinating that the behavior characteristics are kind of baked into their genes. Yeah. And they just were dormant for 10,000 years. And now these things are waking up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

322.566

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3236.864

Oh, yeah. Oh, the internet sleuths will try to find you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3245.87

Yeah, I understand. I mean, you have to. Some dude from Saudi Arabia wants a wolf. Yeah, exactly. Somebody wants a dire wolf.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3268.585

Yeah. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3269.946

Those people that have private zoos. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like enormous. Like in India.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

327.15

Whoa. And they just, was it a small island? They just ran out of resources there? Like, what happened?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2301 - Ben Lamm

3282.172

Yeah. Well, you know, Texas is history with animals, right? Yeah. There's more tigers in captivity and private collections. In Texas than in the wild. Than in the wild of the world. Yeah. Yeah.

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I'm sure you've seen Randall Carlson talk about it.

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Yeah, but not anymore. Yeah. Now it's starting to impact theories.

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Do you know how Randall came up with that idea before it was brought to? His idea is that it was an instantaneous melting of these caps, some sort of immense cosmic event, and millions and millions of trillions of gallons of water at an insane rate ran through the land and just carved deep gouges into the earth. He was on acid. He was on acid and this idea came to him. Some weird idea.

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He was looking out over a ridge. He was looking at this enormous gorge and he realized the gorge was formed by water rushing at an insane rate of speed. And then he started noticing that there's these huge boulders that are just out in the middle of nowhere that were just moved by this immense amount of water. And then-

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The way the ground, the features of the ground looks like the features that you see on sandy beaches when the tide rolls in and out. And it's like, this is great. And it all tracks.

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I'll follow up on that one. Okay.

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Robert Schock from Boston University. I've interviewed him. He was the first guy to propose this. He's like, this is thousands of years of rainfall. And we know that the last time there was rainfall like that in the Nile Valley was 9,000 years ago. So the whole thing is really screwy in terms of like, what is the timeline that this stuff was actually built? And are we just assuming...

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Because we've decided that it's 2500 BC, that that's it forever. And no one wants to let that go.

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It's interesting because they want to impose their idea of what you're supposed to and not supposed to do.

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And they died out 4,000 years ago. Yeah. It's very small.

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Of course. Well, the problem is not the scientific community. The problem is weak men. It's this... What you see in these squabbles, these, like, ultra-personal squabbles, where, like, horrible vitriolic statements made about people... They're just not happy people. Exactly. It's the same problem with all of life. It's these... Bitchy little people. These bitchy little monsters.

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And they have taken over something that's incredibly important. And their work, their work, these bitchy little people, their work is incredibly important. Yes. But at the core of their being, they're a bitchy little person.

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Well, it's also you're dealing with grants and enormous amounts of money that gets donated and given to these institutions along with a whole ideology. Like it's not just as simple as let's follow data. It's all got to be attached to this very left-leaning organization. almost preposterous in some aspects, ideology. And everyone has to say things as a fucking scientist that you know is not true.

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You should just follow the scientific method.

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Well, also, you have to look at all data. I don't want to get into this, but if you have academics who are legitimate scientists and have published papers...

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who are telling you that a man can be a woman and which is fine in terms of like who you are but now when you're having them compete with women in sports you've entered into nonsense land and you're the person we're counting on to be the most intelligent person on the subject you're trapped by an ideology that you're now ignoring biology in favor of sociology.

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Wow. 4,000 years is so recent. I know. It's crazy recent, right? Jamie, can you please pull up a photo of an Asian elephant versus an African elephant?

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So are they saying that it's not because it didn't come straight from nature, it's something that you've recreated by piecing this together with that? What are the genes that you had to use to create a dire wolf? We didn't totally explain this. So you have CRISPR, you have these gene editing tools, you have a good sample of DNA. How do you turn that into a wolf?

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I wouldn't say this is moderately bold. You made three fucking dire wolves. That's not moderately bold.

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This is right up there with inventing the internet.

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There's people out there. Do you worry that someone is going to get – because this falls into religious –

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Yes. It's not like a donkey.

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So what was the argument? How did they present it?

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I'm just asking questions. I would like to know the point, though. What is her point? What is her overall argument?

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Interesting. So species is just something. It's a human construct. And it's just a thing if it can breed with another thing.

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Right. But as a person who studies biology, which this person is, right? I could kind of understand her perspective where she's like, what are you doing? Like, what are you doing? How is this group of people with a bunch of money and a bunch of eggheads? How are these geniuses allowed to get together, splice some jeans up and serve up a dire wolf? I could see it from her perspective.

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No, they just wanted to make an attraction. Yeah.

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Well, let's explain the red wolf to people because you were saying before I didn't even know how few of them there are.

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Are they in other states as well? No, no.

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And is it part of the problem they're inbreeding with coyotes?

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Really?

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Of course.

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Yeah. You have to get a relationship with them. So you feed them sugar cane, and you wash them, and you play nice with them for a while, a couple hours. It was at least an hour. You're just hanging out with them, petting them. And then once they decide you're cool, they let you ride them. Yeah. But my whole family rode them, and I was totally opposed to it.

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They've created a lab. They're going to start eating people.

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God, they're so beautiful. It's like we shouldn't be afraid of innovation, right? No, but you know the real question is where do you stop? Yeah. Because 90 what percent of all animals that have ever existed, all species are extinct? Yeah.

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So it's debatable whether or not we drove dire wolves to extinction. We don't really know what happened 10,000 years ago. I'm inclined to think that when you see the death of 65% of North American megafauna that happened really quickly.

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Yeah, I'm inclined to think that these scientists that believe it was an asteroid or a common impact are correct.

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I was like, I'm doing it just because you guys want to do it. I just want to feed them. I just want to hang out with them. They just felt weird. My daughter fell off, I think twice. My youngest daughter fell off once, at least. And I was like, do we know that this elephant wants us riding it?

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This is a different thing. Are you going to bring back saber-toothed tigers?

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Dire wolves would be my favorite. Yeah.

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Oh, you do those? The Gary Brecker ones, right? Oh, yeah. I'm all in.

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Oh, I didn't know there was more than one type of saber-tooth. How many are there?

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Yeah, he's found things that were not supposed to be there.

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But they found cave bears, short-faced bears. Wow.

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Oh, so this has shorter saber teeth, but still. Can you give me that CGI image of it again, Jamie, on the left? That's so fucking cool. I don't think you should bring something like that back, but if you do, I'm going to visit it. I mean, I want to see that thing take down a bike. Look at his paws, man. I mean, wait until you see the Daryl paws. Bro, but that would be so crazy.

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Now all of a sudden I want you to do it. Give me another large picture of it, Jamie. There's some other pictures of those. So Smilodon is the one that has the largest teeth?

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I wonder why nature wanted it to have that.

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It has to be, right? Something where there's a genetic advantage. And their jaw hinges. Look at that one on the right, lower right. Jamie, below that, below that to the right, to the right. Yeah, right there. Click on that. Look at that, man. CGI is so incredible.

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It's kind of a weird thing. It's a weird thing, right? And then afterwards, you get in the water and you wash them and everything, and I just kind of hung out with them. They're very sweet.

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It's got a short tail, it's got a long tail, it's got a leopard, it's got stripes, right? We don't even know if they had long tail or short tail.

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And homotherium we know has that kind of coloration to it?

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Look at that little.

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Wow. Not that we're going to work on it.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Yeah, there definitely is, because she was eating a log. I was like, why are you eating a log? It's just weird. They're so...

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enormous but they're really like peaceful and incredibly smart and they have incredible pack dynamics right so they live in a herd they've even had all these different examples where they also adopt other animals i don't know if you've seen any of these videos but oh yeah so here it is this is a few years ago in thailand and this is uh an asian elephant just chilling with this elephant

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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How did you get started even thinking about doing something like this?

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So when you have a rewilding strategy, what experts do you bring in to have this discussion of what kind of an impact this could be? I mean, you haven't done any rewilding, let's be clear to everybody. Yes. They're not releasing dire wolves.

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Yeah, yes. So this is all theoretically.

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But if you do have one, what would you look at specifically? How do you take into account all the different species? Do you take into account, like with the thylacine particularly because it's a large predator, the amount of animals it's going to eat? Right. These animals are not conditioned. They haven't evolved to be around this thing. It's been almost 100 years since the last one was there.

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It's just cool to be around them. They're just a fascinating animal. Just the biodiversity of Earth, the fact that that thing exists.

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That's the only way they survive. I mean, without a language to pass down information. Yeah. It makes you wonder how much of that is in us. When people have aphidiophobia or arachnophobia, fear of snakes and spiders, what is that from? Because it's crippling. I've seen people that have crippling fear of spiders where it doesn't even make any sense. Well, they probably, somebody got...

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almost killed by a spider and that's inside of them right now that those genes passed on and you see a spider yeah they freak out man we when i was doing fear factor we had if we found out that someone had a fear of spiders or fears of snakes guess what that was on the show that's on the show yeah that's like me and heights it's like every every episode you had back in the day that's because you're smart yeah it's like fucking terrifying i'm like yeah yeah

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Whenever I'm in a fucking hotel and I'm on like the 50th floor, I'm like, why? Why?

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Why?

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This is so sketchy. It's so scary. It's just like the building moves a little bit when it's windy. Yeah. Fuck all this. Fuck.

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Here? Yeah, Jamie lives way up high. Jamie sends me pictures from his house. I freak out. Like, no.

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No, no, no, no. I'm not. I wouldn't. I just. I like to be on the ground. I like to be on the ground.

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I just. counting on these fucking screws and bolts and shit.

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When you see something like the one that happened in Canada where the plane flipped upside down too, you just like that. You can't get that one out of your head.

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It was a person who was not that good at flying and kind of recent.

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Hire someone better. Yeah.

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Oh, did you see the water that's flying off the roofs in Thailand? Yeah, in the... Flying off the roofs where you see, like, from the ground, it looks like it's raining. Yeah. It's crazy. Anyways. Yeah, well, that would be the last day I would spend in that fucking room.

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Like, that's it. Done.

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Yeah, bye-bye. Maybe. Maybe the ghost is cool. I'm not totally scared of ghosts because I don't think ghosts have ever killed anybody. You know, I'm scared of thylacines.

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Oh, boy.

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Well, I have a weird situation going on at my house because I have chickens, but I eat chicken. and I don't eat the chickens that I have. I eat their eggs, but they're cute. I'm like, hey girls, what's up ladies? I have no desire to harm them. I try to protect them. If I'm driving on the driveway and one of them is in the middle of the driveway, I have to be very slow and let her cross.

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But I eat chicken.

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It turns out Alzheimer's is connected to a lot of stuff that's in our diet. Or an inflammation. Yeah.

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Unfortunately.

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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard that. Which is really weird to think of it that way. But it's just so much. I mean, obviously, you know this now because you're on a health path. Yeah. You know, and you feel much better.

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Yeah. People are just running around out there feeling like shit. Well, I was. I was.

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6257.427

Oh, Jesus.

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Yeah. So let's just get right to it. Wait, wait. Do you want to finish the process?

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Yeah, that's beautiful. That's awesome, man. You're lifting weights, too?

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That's so important. Yeah. So important, and I tell people it's not even a vanity thing. Don't do it because you want big muscles. Preserve your tissue. Yeah. Preserve your bone mass.

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Yeah, it's a blessing to be healthy. It's a blessing. We're so concerned about our day-to-day existence that we lose track of this big picture. You have the opportunity to do something that if it wasn't possible, you would wish it was possible and that is get healthier.

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Like if it wasn't possible, if we just existed in a state and whatever that state was, there's no medicine that could fix it, there's no exercise that could fix it, diet doesn't change it, this is just who you are as a being and it goes away. But that's not even remotely true. It's actually the opposite. There's friends that I have that are my age, and they look like they're my dad. Yeah.

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And that's because they've been drinking and smoking and sleeping late and fucking off their whole life and no exercise at all, and your body deteriorates. Yeah.

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I'm on the journey. We're all on the journey. There's no end.

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6418.16

That's amazing.

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And you only want to eat it. Have you had a lot of wild game?

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Is it bison? Do they have bison as well?

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Well, it looks different.

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You get a pink steak from the grocery store, which is fine. You cook it. It tastes great. But if you get a grass-fed, grass-finished steak- Grass-finished, 100%. A lot of ranches out here. Texas is a great place, and there's a lot of ranches out here that use regenerative agriculture, and they sell the animals that they kill, and it's like a dark red meat.

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You feel better when you eat it. You literally feel energized. I've given people elk before, and one of the things they say is, I do have so much energy. I'm like, yeah. Welcome to my world.

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Like they just don't, it reminds me of wanting to eat something that's been extinct for 10,000 years. You just bring it back. Not even yet. Yeah. And that was the first question. Can I eat this?

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I won't woolly mammoth steak, my friend.

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Oh, domestic. Yeah, like people in very big states. Yeah, I know. They have too much money. Yeah. Fucking psychos.

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Do you think if they brought Jurassic Park, if Spielberg did it today, they'd have feathers?

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Have you seen the one that's in the Montana University? There's a university in Bozeman that has a museum. Isn't the university – it might just be a museum. But when I was visiting there a few years back, they have a – like a raptor and one side of the raptor is feathered and the other side is like Jurassic Park, like scaly.

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And, you know, you look at it and you go, oh, it's just like, oh, that's a fucking, it's a bird. Yeah. Like, no, it makes sense. Like, it makes more sense with its little stupid arms. Like, it makes more sense that it's a bird.

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#2301 - Ben Lamm

6707.469

That's a crazy animal. Like what the hell was that thing? What was that? How many years ago did those things go extinct? Those were millions.

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#2301 - Ben Lamm

6754.526

It's almost as big as a 737. That's so crazy.

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#2301 - Ben Lamm

6810.737

So with these like that's one of the things about dinosaurs and museums, right?

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#2301 - Ben Lamm

6824.511

Right. It's weird because you go to see it and you think you're going to see a dinosaur bone.

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#2301 - Ben Lamm

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Yeah. And sometimes they're real clever and sometimes they're not. Like sometimes it'll be different colors for the real bone versus, and you're like, how much of this do you have?

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How did you guess what it looked like? And a lot of the images of the soft tissue overlay, like when they take the bones and then they create an animal out of it. Have you ever seen what rabbits look like if you take away their skin? Yeah, they did this with like whales and stuff.

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6862.24

Yeah, for whales, you see them and you look at them and you're like, oh, they're sweet.

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Just chilling in the water. But if you see them with the teeth and everything and just the skeleton.

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Yeah, like an alien monster. So I wonder what we were looking at.

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6889.291

When did that thing die off?

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One of the things that I learned through Rinella is that at the founding of this country in the early days, the richest man in the world was selling beaver pelts. Oh, really? It was the richest guy in the world.

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6907.48

Here at the Pleistocene.

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So this beaver, giant beaver, enormous, bear-sized beaver that lived in North America during the Pleistocene. Wow. So when did these die off? What year? What was the Pleistocene officially? So about 13,000 years ago.

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#2301 - Ben Lamm

6926.765

Wow. So it probably died off with American lion and all that other stuff. And you know the pronghorn, you know the whole story about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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#2301 - Ben Lamm

6939.688

No, American cheetah.

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They're the last of these animals. They're a bizarre animal. Have you ever seen one in real life?

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#2301 - Ben Lamm

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I've only seen it through binoculars. I've never seen one on the ground real close. I've only seen it from a few hundred yards away. When you look at images of them, they have insane eyesight. They have almost 360-degree vision. Their eyes are on the side of their heads.

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And they can run 55 miles an hour. That's amazing. And the reason why they can run so fast is because they were getting chased by cheetahs that don't exist anymore. So the cheetahs died off in the Younger Dryas Impact Theater or whatever happened. But these pronghorn antelopes remain, and they are... There's nothing like them in terms of speed.

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It's really bizarre because they're a remnant of an older past where they had to be that fast to avoid the predators, but the predators are gone. They remain.

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Nothing. Once they're done, once they're grown, good fucking luck. They have insane eyesight. But you know one of the ways that people hunt them? They're really dumb. One of the ways people hunt them is on horsebacks. Like that dog has zero chance. But the cheetah, the cheetahs were chasing these motherfuckers down. So it's like another, you know, different kind of antelope.

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But a super fast, they're quite a bit faster, I bet, than these antelope. They're crazy fast. There's like nothing like them in North America. It's awesome. But the vision that these things have, give me a photo of one of their heads, pronghorn's eyes. They're so weird looking. They look archaic. Like if you see their face, they don't look like, it looks like they're from another time.

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Yeah. They look like they're from another time.

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#2301 - Ben Lamm

7108.536

Well, I wonder what would be different had the thylacine survived.

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#2301 - Ben Lamm

7123.648

They look cool as shit.

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Yeah, they're crazy. See if we can hear some – You find them eating they just sound terrible find a Tasmanian tiger noises I Don't know what they may or excuse me Tasmanian devil noises. Sorry Sorry, not have you seen this video though? I have yeah, we can go to that in a second, too. I just wanna hear Look at that fucker

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#2301 - Ben Lamm

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It's really gross. What is that? What are we looking at here? Oh, feeding frenzy? Give me some volume. It's doing it right in front of people, too, which is crazy.

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Whose video is this, Jamie?

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Look at these little fuckers go.

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Oh, God. We're looking for people listening. We're looking at tumors. On Tasmanian devil's faces. Yeah, which was terrible. That was a perfect inspiration for a comic book character or for a cartoon character rather. Yeah, Tasmanian devil.

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Yeah, I'd imagine. That's such a cool little animal. So the idea of ultimately eventually releasing thylacines... How would that be done, and what kind of study would have to be done? Because you're talking about all these animals that come out. Look at all the animals. That probably won't be the case if you reintroduce some of those.

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Yeah, it'll achieve a balance. So they've done a lot. Let's just keep people up to date on Australia. Most people don't know that they've introduced cats. So house cats. You want some water? Yeah, I'll get some. they introduced house cats, like just feral house cats in Australia to combat certain species. And they started decimating all the other species.

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7400.041

And it's because it's an invasive species. Would there be a similar problem if you reintroduce the Tasmanian tiger? Would there be... But potentially, would you have to reintroduce other species if they make them extinct?

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Yeah, people hunt them.

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I have a good buddy of mine, Adam Greentree, and they have this magazine. It's like a bowhunter magazine in Australia, and he gave me a copy of it. I was reading it on a plane, and this guy's holding up a dead cat he shot with a bow and arrow. I'm like, hey, man. What the fuck?

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No, what is that?

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I do want to go. He's an amazing guy.

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I hope you don't have to bring in big toads to eat the coals. Have you seen those toads and frogs that latch out and they'll eat anything in front of them? Yes.

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7674.9

Whoa. We've played videos of toads eating mice. I had no idea. Yeah. Before I saw those videos, only a few years ago, I had no idea toads would just eat mice. Yeah, it's crazy. So they put them in this bin with a bunch of mice, and this toad is just going ham, just snatching mice up and swallowing them.

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And you'd think that they're just sitting there docile, and then they just absolutely throw their whole bodies out. Well, they sit there. They have the creepiest dead eyes. They're just machines to eat. You ever seen them fight with each other? That's pretty wild, too. They bite each other's heads and they throw each other through the air.

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7706.11

Imagine you're fighting with a dude and he literally bites half your torso and throws you through the air. And they don't even look like it bothered them.

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That's totally within the rules. That's what creeps me out about reptiles. There's this lack of emotions. At least a wolf has emotions. It's like there's something going on there. There's an intelligence. There's something really creepy about getting eaten by something stupid. Like a crocodile. Yeah, like a crocodile or like a toad.

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There's a thing about crocodiles that people were suspecting, but it turns out to not be true, that they would lie on their back and put their arms in the air to simulate drowning. Yeah, I saw that video. Apparently that's not what they're doing. Apparently that's a normal characteristic that they do.

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Yeah, I gotta go save that dude.

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Yeah. Well, you would think, though, if they have gotten those meals before that that would be a learned behavior. I mean, just they do have some learned behavior. I have a friend. His name is Jim Shockey. He's a professional hunter and he was actually hired to go into Africa and hunt crocodiles that were killing all these people in this village.

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Like they're actively targeting people in this village. Yeah. When he went to the village, everybody was like. missing a foot, a chunk taken out of their leg. And while he was there, a crocodile took a woman who was washing clothes.

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So what they had done was they'd set up this area by the water where they had driven these stakes in the ground that would prevent the crocodiles from getting in the water and getting really close to the edge, you know, because you can't see them in the water. And then they just explode out and snatch you up. Yeah. Thank you.

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799.162

Well, you know, the whole deal with the Museum of Natural History, right? Mm-hmm.

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805.705

Well, it's a fact now. They found these bones in the East River exactly where they told them to drop it off. They have step bison fragments.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Woolly mammoth fragments. So they know that they're there.

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Yeah.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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It's also it's like, what do you guys have? Like, why are you keeping that shit in a basement? Yeah.

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So regulatory and ethical, those are the two hurdles. But right now, the technology exists.

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8586.212

Yeah, I know. There's a lot of people cloning their dogs now.

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8592.455

Yeah, I didn't bring Marshall to the studio.

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I couldn't do it. I love him too much. I couldn't do it. I would feel so weird around this fake Marshall. Yeah. I wouldn't want to do that. Yeah.

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Dogs are unique little creatures. They have their own little personalities.

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8703.036

So I think these- What if that dog is going to be reincarnated into a higher level of existence and you stop it and put it on this like- Yeah. So that's not exactly our business. You know what I'm saying? I do. It's all weird.

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873.94

And is it extensively archived? They know where everything is? Or is there some stuff down there that they don't know what it is?

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8741.031

That would creep me out. It would creep me out too. Because Marshall has very specific places where he sleeps.

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8746.353

It would creep me out. Yeah. Because I've had other dogs stay at my house. I had my older daughter's dog stay at my house, and that dog didn't go to that same spot. It's not like this is one spot that's warmer or cooler.

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They want to be in contact with you. My dog watches TV with me. Yeah. That's awesome.

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It's just a weird thing to take that dog. And I think also for kids, like the thing is like kids, the loss is so devastating. Yeah. But it's also good to teach them those things. Yeah. I think loss is important.

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8896.025

Do you know when C.S. Lewis first started talking about this? What year was C.S. Lewis alive? But he had a quote about, I might have saved it. He had a quote about just getting all the dire information of the world sent to you all the time, which at his time back then, that was very new. That was a completely new thing.

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So people have come and gone.

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Oh, that's so ridiculous.

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Yeah, I think you're going to have very lively debate. That's always going to happen with something that's so groundbreaking like what you're doing. But I also think it's inevitable. I think human beings have this inescapable desire for innovation. Right. And it's going to apply to biology just like it applies to electronics. And you can't do anything about it.

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You can have debates about it, and we should. What you guys are doing is great. You've got the dire wolves fenced off, and you're very careful, and you're monitoring them. It's great. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. And at least you're transparent about it. At least this is not happening in Russia where they're making super wolves that only eat Americans.

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8997.756

That's probably going to happen too. We're going to face unique problems no matter what we do because technology is allowing people to do things that are unprecedented, including change what it means to be an actual person.

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9030.37

It's the god camp. It's all falling into the same thing. And then when you add to that incredible computing power that's going to be available with quantum computing. Yeah. And then you have new technologies that are going to emerge from AI using quantum computing.

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The interfaces are crazy. Because we had that gentleman, Noah, the first guy who got it. And he said he has an aim bot in his head. So, like, when he plays games, he's got a crazy advantage. Because where he looks is where the cursor goes. Like, instantaneously. So he could shoot things. Like, he's not going to miss. Yeah. I mean, we are living in a weird time. It's the weirdest time.

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It's the weirdest time that people have ever been through. And we're at the door. We haven't even gone into the great wild.

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9161.087

That's so crazy. And so now you said it's down to a couple of months? Yeah, it's 22 months right now.

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9179.782

What about those stupid fucking windmills that they have to change every few years?

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And they don't barely make any electricity.

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Yeah.

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And then they have to get rid of them. And then the only place to put them is in a landfill.

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9262.819

So when you're doing this, is this something that you could release, like, in the ocean itself? Or would you have to worry then about the effect, like, bringing the house cats to Australia? No, it dies. It only eats this, like, this is what they always say right before it fucks up.

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9284.672

But you could do that testing and then conceivably dump it on the Great Pacific garbage patch?

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9347.85

And how many different nations are working on this stuff?

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Probably we're going to have dire wolves guarding their house.

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In 100 years?

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They're going to get your technology, and they're going to sell it, and people are going to be eating woolly mammoth steaks while the dire wolves guard their house.

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Of course, it's your company. Your company is fucking the whole world up. You have to think that way. I'm just kidding. But it is a weird, it's a weird venture. I mean, you're going down a very bizarre path, but it's so fascinating. I'm so glad you're doing it because it's so interesting.

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Yeah.

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9451.098

Do you think there could ever be a time – well, there's no DNA from the dinosaurs, right? So would it be possible that with future technology there would be some way to get around that?

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9490.742

Wasn't that one of the things they did in Jurassic Park? That's what they all did.

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9498.368

Right. That was something they created, correct?

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958.593

So, if you have 98% or you have 99%, what's the process of going from that?

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9636.095

But it's interesting also that you're a company. This isn't the government. This is just a group of people and investors that have decided to do this. And you've been able to do it here in America. But do you know what is going on in other countries or is this a tightly guarded secret? Obviously, you have people in your company as well, and I'm sure there's an understanding of what they're doing.

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9666.129

So you must be being studied by other countries.

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Yeah.

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When you think about it a hundred years from now, a thousand years from now, when you scale this out, there's no limit to what could be done with life. That's so strange. It's so strange to think that for four plus billion years, life has evolved in a very specific pattern.

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And then one day.

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9704.338

Oh, boy. And, you know, that's the grandest of all conspiracy theories is that that's how humans were created. Yeah, the panspermia.

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9716.286

The great one is the Anunnaki, right? Oh, yeah. It's the Sumerian type stuff.

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It's very weird.

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Do you buy into any of these sightings?

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Yeah, to say it's not weird is actually denying science.

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9836.286

The coolest thing I've ever seen is Chichen Itza.

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I've been to Chichen Itza. And you go there and you're like, what did you do? What did you do? How did you do this?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you get a rash of shit and people try to connect you with the worst people in the world, hence Graham Hancock.

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9917.332

You've seen the Reichardt structure? Uh-uh. You ever seen that? Uh-uh. This is what – there's a lot of people like Jimmy Corsetti who's this famous YouTube – I guess you would call him – I guess he'd be like an ancient... Can we pull up the structure? Sure. He'd be like an ancient history enthusiast. He's a guy who studies these things and does YouTube videos on them.

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9936.535

But the Reichardt structure is essentially Atlantis. Oh, this is in the desert. Yes. It looks like Atlantis. There's salt all around it. It has the rings that Plato described. And at one point in time, it was connected to the ocean. I mean, it literally looks like Atlantis. And people dispute it. Have people gone and studied it there?

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#2301 - Ben Lamm

9953.35

Well, it's a very difficult place to get to, and it's also very dangerous. So people have studied it, but there hasn't been, like, large-scale archaeological digs there. The whole sub-Saharan Africa thing is so fascinating. They find whales there. I mean, they know that it was lush rainforest while human beings were alive. And there hasn't been large-scale exploration of what's in that ground.

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I mean, playing, playing? Not playing like as good as she can play.

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1017.102

They're volleying back and forth.

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Is he running? He plays tennis, man. He can play tennis.

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1035.933

Yeah. Well, let's see it. It's because... Oh, it was? Oh, God damn it. I got lied to by the reels.

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But check out the tennis. Check this out. She could clearly fuck him up. Oh, that's a nice gentle serve. Look at it. But look at dude. He's firing back.

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1062.847

He's old. But he is doing better than I would do. Oh, way better than me. I mean he plays tennis. There's video of him playing tennis. There's like photos of him playing tennis. So he does do some things. It's like there's a lot of guys that are too – they can't go to a gym.

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1082.042

They need a purpose or they need something that occupies their brain so they play golf or they play tennis or they play games. They play a little pickup basketball. They do that for their health because they just can't do the gym thing. I just don't want to do it. So they do something that keeps them active. I mean most of the people I know do –

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shit like that yeah so he's active pick up basketball or but that dude just eats cheeseburgers and shit all day long like yeah it's like I don't know what to say but he probably also has zero stress well he has a way of letting shit roll off his back I mean he had to have some stress and that guy shot at him But even then, he gets hit in the ear, and he stands up and yells, fight, fight, fight.

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It's like, is this a movie? Are we in a movie? Is this like a simulation? And then his ear healed up like Wolverine. Bro. It healed up pretty quick. You can see a little mark on it. There's a little tiny. If you look at it, like when he was right there, I go, let me see it. And he leaned in. You can kind of see. The ear's filled with blood vessels. That's why it bleeds so much.

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And so there's a bunch of people behind him that want to do things and they think it's for the best interest of the country and they're all acting as a big group that's like the puppeteer of the president. And that's not how it's supposed to be. It's not supposed to be that way. But isn't it like that with every president? I don't know.

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1137.371

Nobody talks about it anymore. No. You know what else nobody talks about? The guy who blew up the cyber truck in front of Trump Tower. What happened to that guy?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1146.145

You don't know that story?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1149.708

Well, this isn't even political. This is a weird story. It's a guy who was like, now, has it been confirmed that that's him? Let's pull up the story because I don't want to do it any misjustice. But this was after the election, correct? Yes, definitely.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1168.247

Okay, New Year's Day. That's how crazy the news cycle is. You forget what day things happen. Was that a year ago? No, it was last week. Oh, all right. There's something constantly bombarding you all the time. So this dude- That dude? Yeah. What is the story behind him? He was a Special Forces guy, right? And he was in, I think he was in a television show with Tim Kennedy.

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They had like a special forces TV show where they did something. So this guy's like, you know, he's an operator. He's like a serious soldier. Why a Cybertruck? And he allegedly committed suicide with a large handgun, a Desert Eagle.

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Large handgun and blew up this thing. It says self-inflicted gunshot wound. The whole thing's weird, man. Nobody could imagine him doing this. Everybody's saying it doesn't make sense. This guy knew how to make bombs. Why would he make a shitty bomb like that that doesn't even blow up the building? It just blows him up in the car.

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And why would he do it in a Cybertruck, which is like the most durable car you can buy? Like that whole thing, the Cybertruck, you saw that video where I tried to shoot an arrow through it? My arrow exploded. That thing's solid steel. So why would you blow yourself up in a solid, you would get a convertible and fuck everybody up, right?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1258.393

If you were going to blow up yourself in a car and you wanted to do the most damage, you'd have a car that you'd want to blow apart. Those Teslas contain the entire explosion.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1277.656

They probably found it like barely smoldering outside. Look, it's like, remember when they found the terrorist passports? The planes went into the fucking World Trade Center. blew up in front of everybody's face, just a gigantic, enormous pile of fire, and yet this dude's passport just barely singed on the outside like a Bugs Bunny cartoon falls to the ground.

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1307.512

right that's right that's right that's right that's right that's right now i remember god i forgot sean ryan was involved in that and then people were saying that he didn't that guy didn't send that to you you got hoaxed and then sean ryan proved that the guy did send that so he was saying some stuff in there about drones and what was he saying let's put up what he said you know what i realized man shout out to sean ryan um it said in case i do not make it to my decision point

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

131.659

Because I think when a president brings in a new cabinet and the new cabinet starts doing different things, then you see what's happening right now. Right. So they've already found thousands of criminals that had snuck in here and had committed multiple crimes while they were here.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1334.105

Or on to the Mexico border, I am sending this now. Please do not release this until 1 Jan and keep my identity private until then. First off, I'm not under duress or hostile influence or control. My first car was a 2006 black Ford Mustang V6 for verification. First of all, that's not true. That was not his first car. No? No, he had a different car. We'll find that out in a second.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1357.537

Put a tab on that, Jamie. What we have been seeing with drones is the operational use of gravitic propulsion systems powered aircraft by most recently China in the East Coast, but throughout history, the U.S. Only we in China have this capability. Our open location for this activity in the box is below.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1377.025

China has been launching them from the Atlantic from submarines for years, but this activity recently has picked up. As of now, it is just a show of force, and they are using it similar to how they use the balloon for SIGINT and ISR, which are also part of the integrated comm systems. There are dozens of those balloons in the air at any given time.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1401.756

The so what is because of the speed and stealth of these unmanned aircraft, they are the most dangerous threat to national security that has ever existed. They basically have an unlimited payload capacity and can park it over the White House if they wanted to. It's checkmate. U.S.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1419.383

government needs to give the history of this, how we're employing and weaponizing it, how China is employing them, and what the way forward is. China is poised to attack anywhere in the East Coast.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1430.112

I've been followed for over a week now, likely from Homeland or FBI, and they're looking to move on me and are unlikely to let me cross into Mexico, but I won't because they know I am armed and I have a massive VBIED. I think that's V. Vehicle something. Oh, you know, you're a military guy.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1451.733

I've been trying to maintain a very visible profile and have kept my phone and they are definitely digitally tracking me. I have knowledge of this program and also of war crimes that were covered up during airstrikes in the Nimruz province, Afghanistan, in 2019 by the admin, DOD, DEA, and CIA. I conducted targeting for these strikes of over 125 buildings.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

146.023

And the Biden administration had left them here and they allowed them to stay in these sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. And Trump's just yanking them out and flying them back to Colombia and flying them back to Mexico and flying them back to wherever they're from. Get the fuck out of here. No, but exporting them in planes. The Biden administration could have done this, too.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1477.088

Sixty-five were struck because of CIV, CAS. that killed hundreds of civilians in a single day. USFORA continued strikes after spotting civilians on initial ISR. It was supposed to take six minutes and scramble all aircraft to CENTCOM. The UN basically called these war crimes, but the administration made them disappear.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1499.647

I was part of that cover up with USFORA and Agent Redacted, they cut his name off, of the DEA. So I don't know if my abduction attempt is related to either. I worked with General Miller's 10 staff on this as well as the response to Bala Murghab, AOBS commander at the time, redacted.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1524.842

Okay, he said, you need to elevate this to media so we avoid a world war because this is a mutually assured destruction situation. So he gave his LinkedIn for vetting, active duty, you know, he gave his profile, the whole deal. Now, the problem is that was not his first car. So Google what his first car was. Why lie about that? Because somebody might not have known.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1552.333

Like if you ask, like there's a lot of people that say, what was your first car? And a lot of people don't know. I've said it publicly, but like how many people know what my first car was? Right, so if you're a dude and you're hanging out with other dudes, I don't know what your first car was.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1570.347

Oh. Yeah. I mean, if they get the car wrong, yeah.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1574.589

I mean, that's a hell of a detail to get wrong. Here. I had my first car was a 1973 Chevelle, but I only had it for like two days. It broke down and the guy sold me a lemon and I got my money back. He came and got his car. I think he knew he fucked me, you know? And then my next car after that was a 1968 Oldsmobile. So I remember, I know what my cars were. Like, you're a kid.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1598.754

You get your first car. You know what your first car was. Yeah, of course. Bitch, if your first car was a 2007 Mustang, everyone's going to know. You're going to tell everybody, right?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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You're going to know. You're not going to be confused. You're not going to be confused as to what was your first car. You'll pull it out right away.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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Your car is like the first time you have freedom. You can't believe you could just drive anywhere you want. You go to your friend's house. You're like, dude, I can drive. It's one of the wildest experiences. I remember clearly just learning to drive. And how wild it was. You could just drive. We're so used to it. We're basically riding around in amusement park rides.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1646.813

You would pay a lot of money to ride in. Like your car? That Audi? Bro, that's like you're in a super capable sports sedan from 2024. So you're talking about like modern...

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1661.005

suspension and anti-lock braking system and everything's controlled electronically and you have a fucking super powerful engine it's all taught and it moves differently based on how the fucking ground moves like whether it's shitty surface or smooth surface they just adapt to everything that thing's glued yeah it's crazy yeah those things are crazy this this world that we live in today is so fun yeah

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1688.137

You would remember your first car.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1707.734

Damn, somebody wrote a whole article about how that was not his first car.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1713.116

Can you try the Brave browser?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1725.8

So when they say about discrepancies, does anybody use the car as a discrepancy? Because I definitely know I read that.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1751.008

Let me imagine this. Is it possible that if there was a story like this and you were trying to cover up discrepancies and you didn't want people talking about it, could you just flood the search with a bunch of other stories on it so that it takes so many pages to get to it that you would never get it?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1783.428

How about just write, will you do me a favor and just write Matthew Livelsberger, how do you say it?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1789.55

Livelsberger's car was not, first car, just say first car.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

179.81

Trump is talking about getting rid of income tax and replacing it with tariffs. I asked him about that on the podcast. I thought he was joking around. Yeah, exactly. He was saying that it would be better for the economy. We'd have way more money if instead of you paying tax, these companies should be paying tax. Like, why are they making such a killing off the American people?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1794.012

But let me ask you, just say first car was not a 2006 Ford Mustang.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1802.016

Was not, first car was not a 2006 Ford Mustang.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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The other thing was that the gun that he used is a crazy gun. It's a crazy gun to shoot yourself in the car. And the question is, like, when did he do it? Because it looks like the guy in the video in the car sits there, pulls up, and then the whole thing blows up. So are you telling me that he's blowing himself up and shooting himself at the same time?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1919.512

Like, does he have a button on his left hand that's the bomb detonator and then the trigger on his right hand?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1934.107

So they're still tweeting like crazy.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1940.07

You get January 16th.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1942.672

That's weird.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1957.523

Incorrect after the first car discrepancies. Click on that. Show more. So, including incorrect reference for the first car Livelsberger owned. According to public records, his first car was not a 2006 Ford, contrary to what is mentioned in the email. This has led to skepticism on whether the email is real or fabricated. That's it. According to public records, that was not his first car.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

1986.198

Let's see. It was a BMW. 2008 1 Series BMW.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2004.42

See right here, why is Sean Ryan spreading an easily confirmed fake email? If your first car was a 1998 Mustang, would you say your first car was a 2007 Mustang? The dates don't even line up. So he had a 98 Ford Mustang. Why is the BMW circled?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

202.249

But the companies would just charge us bigger prices, wouldn't they? Well, here's the thing. Could they, if we had American manufacturing that can make the same products? No. So the whole reason why- You can't make the same products for the same price. But if you have other countries charge tariffs, and I think we've charged tariffs in the past, and it's an interesting thing.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2026.697

So it looks like he didn't have – scroll that back again. So he had a 98 Mustang. Oh. Not a 2007. That was his first car. Then he had a 2008 BMW. And then he had a Jeep.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2050.981

That's that midlife crisis. He got the GT, too. Greg Fitzsimmons got it. He got it with the EcoBoost. He was telling me how much he loves it. I was like, I know, but you didn't get the V8. He's like, oh, gas mileage. I'm like, shut your mouth. What do you mean EcoBoost? Oh, it's a great engine. Don't get me wrong. It's got plenty of power. In comparison to old cars, it's way more powerful.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2070.232

I mean, it's a fast fucking car. But the EcoBoost is just more fuel efficient. It doesn't have the same horsepower. And the GT has the Coyote V8 that has that rumble sound. Makes you feel alive. You know, when you... You ever been in a red light with a guy in a Mustang and they take off and you hear that sound? Especially if he's got a manual.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

21.02

Bro, that's my whole life.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2117.619

Corvettes are the only cars that looked good into the 70s.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2121.983

all the other american cars turned to dog they turned it they became boxes they became fuel efficient boxes but corvettes always had that and then eventually they that up too and they made corvettes like flat and looked like a wedge they looked so stupid for a while but now they're back now they're better they're better looking now i think like tony's i think that these new ones the 2025s and 26s they're better than any other car ever

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2148.792

Any American car. Like the Corvette ZR1. It's the greatest American car that's ever been built. Really? It's 1,100 horsepower. I don't know shit about it. Oh, Brian Simpson, you ready to look at this? You got one? No, no, no. I don't have one. But this is, Google this. This is literally the greatest American car ever produced by a long shot.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2167.164

ZR1. ZR1. It's got a giant wing on the back of it. It's literally a race car that you can buy. It has 1,100 horsepower. Or, excuse me, 1,064 horsepower. And this is not even tuned, right? Guys are going to be able to do things with these things. You're going to get these Hennessey guys. Is this new? Yeah.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2187.255

You're going to get these Hennessey guys that are going to jack up the boost and make them even faster. These things are insanely fast. Insanely fast. And insanely capable. I don't know if they've got Nürburgring times on them, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the fastest American car ever. How much does that cost? I think it's like $190,000. Bro, this car is fucking insane.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2212.585

It has carbon fiber wheels. It's insane. And it's beautiful. Like, look at that thing. I mean, it's just a piece of art and engineering, you know, together. It's really, it looks like what you'd expect from a foreign supercar, from like Ferrari or McLaren or something like that. That's what it looks like. It looks incredible. I don't know how we get on the subject.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

222.082

It's like you make a trade agreement. It's essentially a trade agreement. And his position has always been that one side of the trade agreement was unbalanced and America does a stupid job in negotiating its trade agreements. So he wants tariffs and everything. That's what he threatened the guy from Columbia with.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2239.958

Oh, you remember your first car. Fuck, imagine your first car is this thing. Your first car should be a Miata.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2254.661

Well, it's like motorcycles. I was going to get a motorcycle license at one point in time, and one of my buddies was going to get it like a ninja. I was like, bro, we shouldn't do that. We shouldn't just hop right on some crazy bike that... You got to get comfortable with the whole deal of riding a bike.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2298.805

You ever see the one where the dude is flying down a country road and he hits a deer? oh this dude is like on one of those race bikes boom flying through the air I saw one the other day where it was the other way around it was like the end of a parade or something

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2332.206

So you didn't see this thing today. A Blackhawk helicopter collided with a American Airlines flight over DC. yeah over DC over DC yeah and they plunged into the Potomac and everybody's dead and there's video of it there's a fireball in the sky the helicopter collides right with the plane explodes in the sky watch this boom they explode and collide in the sky and then this is the plane It's crazy.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

238.849

He said, because they didn't want to take the prisoners, the flights were coming over and he didn't want to give them approval to land. He said, we're going to tax you. We're going to tariff you 25%. And then like in a week, we're going to jack it up to 50%. And this guy wrote like a poem to Trump. It was the most ridiculous thing ever. The guy's a wild dude.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2383.409

I don't even know how that happens. I've never heard of something like that happening. And then where did the helicopter emanate from? Where did it come from, Jamie? Probably Andrews. Because this is a military helicopter. Andrews Air Force Base, I'm guessing. I don't understand how that's possible. I don't get it. But I don't know anything about flying. Man, you know what?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

24.521

Yeah, it's super stressful, especially if you're a little intoxicated. You know, you get a couple of whiskeys and you start talking shit. You got to be responsible for every word that comes out of your mouth, even if it's stupid. But, you know, I think people get it. They get that people are human beings and they can stumble.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2407.994

Honestly, man, it comes close to happening a lot. Fuck. That's so crazy that a military helicopter collides with an American Airlines jet.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2430.107

Unless we find out that someone was on that jet. Like someone who has like some gravity drive scientist. Some fucking dude who's at the forefront of quantum computing. He's got a laptop with him that he's trying to deliver to somebody in Saudi Arabia.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2472.897

The other thought was that you can control those helicopters remotely. You don't have to have pilots.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2482.001

Yeah, you can. You can fly a helicopter remotely. Yes. They use artificial intelligence now not just to fly helicopters, but also to fly jets. And when they use jets that are controlled by artificial intelligence versus jets that are controlled by the best pilots we have, the jets can control by artificial intelligence win dogfights 100% of the time.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2510.596

We're putting on some tinfoil.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2521.864

This is consumer-grade shit that didn't exist a while ago. You want some coffee? No, I'm good. And exists now. So here it is. Blackhawk remote-controlled demos have been performed by Sikorsky Aircraft and Lockheed Martin to demonstrate the ability to remotely control a Blackhawk helicopter.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2539.511

These demos have shown the potential for autonomous flight and the ability to perform missions without a pilot. Okay, but here's the other thing now. But here's the thing. If it's such a super sophisticated piece of equipment, how is it not – if it is being piloted, By a person. How do they not have sensors that detect where the planes are? How is that even possible?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2562.205

That you could be in a place where planes are flying 500 miles an hour, left and right, all over the place, landing and taking off. And you're going to fly through that? And... You don't know where the planes are? That seems insane.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2575.336

That doesn't even seem possible because how could you exist as a military aircraft if you don't have a comprehensive analysis of everything that's around you all the time? We have sensors. We put them on jets. Why wouldn't we put sensors on the helicopter?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2593.269

But everybody's dead, right? So how do you know when everybody's dead? They think the pilots are dead of the helicopter. I believe there was supposed to be two people in the helicopter, four, three, three people in the helicopter. And was it like 60 or 70 people? 60 people in the plane are dead. Damn, only 60 people on a flight?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

261.88

Well, you'd have to really ramp up American manufacturing in a lot of places. Like, we don't make phones. That's one of the craziest things about America. We can't make a phone. We can't even make a phone. We make mistakes. Well, I mean, maybe we could make a phone. Isn't there one phone that is made in America? Is there one phone that's manufactured here? I think there is.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2628.433

Yeah. Well, also, you want, like, the worst press possible. Kill a plane filled with young figure skaters. The sweetest, most delicate people, like, twirling around on the ice. I mean, we think of them like they're almost like superhumans. You know, we don't even want to think about it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2646.859

That's why, like, when that Tonya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan shit went down, nobody even wanted to believe it's possible. The figure skating community's got thugs? Yeah. Remember that? Yeah.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2675.76

Somebody was just fucked up. Most likely someone made a mistake. Most likely. But in this day and age, when you know about things that have happened, you know about false flags, you know about all kinds of shit that happens, you always got to wonder. And if we do find out, here's a worst case scenario.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2691.149

What if a foreign government has figured out a way to hack into our equipment and they can get a helicopter to fly right into a plane?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2701.715

What if this was like proof of concept?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2716.784

But if you were a foreign country and you wanted to demonstrate that you have technical superiority over people, how would you do it? Well, first of all, you'd lay the groundwork, right? This is one thing they definitely did, right? Where's that lighter, bro? Thank you, sir. You lay the groundwork, and the groundwork is sell them all the shit they need. Sell them all the shit they need.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2738.495

And some of the shit you sell them, put up. Put a little backdoor in there. And they've been doing that. That's a fact. That's why Huawei was banned from the United States. They banned Huawei phones. They were the most sophisticated phones. They were coming out of China. They were so good. They were great. I've taught this before.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2758.266

Forgive me if you heard it before, but I tried to buy a Porsche-designed Huawei phone. It was an amazing phone. It was so much more advanced than iPhones. It had a bigger battery. It had a 100-megapixel camera. And then right before it was coming out, they put the ban.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2773.41

And then there's all these national security concerns and Huawei is like spying on Americans and something about the routers and their systems. They figured out there's like backdoor possibilities that were engineered into these things. So they've sold us cell phone towers and computer chips and all this stuff and all the components that you need to run your A.I.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2796.32

So wouldn't it make sense that if they're a part of it, they're integrated into it physically, and we know they've put back doors on things. Wouldn't you put back doors on the stuff that you're putting into jets? Who's making that stuff? Who's making all those electronics that are inside the jets? I think we make those. Do you think we make the chips? Do you think we make the chips?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

282.765

I mean, even if it's assembled here. Is it the nothing phone? I don't know. Is that it?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2820.833

Do you think we make, what do we make? Do we make the hard drives? Are you sure? I don't know. I don't know. Do we make the processors? It just seems like it would be the smart thing to do. It would be a very smart thing to do. But do we make the processors? Or have there been installed some sort of electronical backdoor into almost everything that we have?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2846.201

Anything could be taken over.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2857.05

This was a guy who was a journalist who was writing for Rolling Stone, and he goes over to Afghanistan. Was it Afghanistan? Goes over to Afghanistan and gets stuck there because of the volcano. So the volcano in Iceland, I think- So this volcano blows up and the sky is covered with dirt you can't see for like weeks. So you can't fly. So he can't leave there. So he gets stuck with his troop.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2884.288

He's embedded with these troops. And they get loose. They get loose. They start saying things. They start talking shit about Obama. The general talks shit about Obama. And then this guy puts all this in the story. And he puts all this in this thing. They thought he was like one of their homies. We're just hanging out. We're just boys. He's not going to write about that.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

289.275

They still have to get shit from China. Yeah. They have to get shit from Taiwan. They have to get shit from India. Yeah.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2900.796

I mean, but I got wrote about all that shit. You get these 20 year old kids. They're deployed at war. And of course they're going to talk shit. They're kids. You get the generals like hanging out with these guys. They're going to talk shit. They're a bunch of men out there doing war. So he has to step down. And he, the general, is one of the most beloved generals in the military.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2918.403

And then this guy is terrified for his life. The reporter? The reporter's terrified for his life. Because he's been threatened. So then he dies on, was it Laurel Canyon? La Brea. La Brea. He dies on La Brea.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

2977.975

So back then the question was, do they have the technology to take over vehicles? And if you ask people that are honest, the answer is yes. Yeah, they do. There's a way to do it. It's not impossible. It's not like breathing underwater. It can be done. Whether you have to get access to the actual car itself and put something in there, I don't know.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3035.723

There's cars right now that they could shut off if there's a police chase. That's what OnStar does, right? So if you're in one of those Corvettes, I bet that Corvette has OnStar. Does that Corvette have OnStar? So the way they sell you OnStar is they say, well, Brian, if someone steals your car, we can just shut it off. And you're like, oh, that would be good.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

304.445

No, our problem is, first of all, we're addicted to buying new shit all the time. I have a bunch of phone lines, and one of my phone lines, I have an iPhone 11. It's like five years old. I don't notice when I'm using it. As long as it still works. You don't notice on a normal experience. What do I do with my phone? I'm not fucking making complex video rendering. What am I doing?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3057.043

I don't want anybody stealing my beautiful car. But the other side of that is we could also just shut it off for other reasons. Right. We can shut it off because we don't like you. And we just decide to shut your car off. Don't worry. It says right here that that's illegal. You could have the wrong political opinion depending on who's in power.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3073.371

You know, you want to give these people power because you don't want the other side to win. But then the problem is now you've established that the government, which is not always you, is going to have power. And they're going to just be able to shut your fucking car off. Stolen C7 Corvette disabled remotely by police using OnStar. Yeah, they just shut them off. See, that's a happy moment.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3092.979

Look at that. The sad moment is you got a trunk load of meth and you're making a run for it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3105.663

Well, the drug runners always get caught going too fast. It's the dumbest fucking thing you'll ever hear. They always get busted going like 16 miles an hour over the speed limit. What does it say, Jamie? Mandatory. Mandatory. Comes with mandatory OnStar subscription. There's no way around it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3138.573

It's just the dumbest. But you get these kids that are willing to do these drug runs, and they're cocky, and they're probably using. So they're probably taking a little amphetamines while they're driving to stay sharp, Brian. Can't get sleepy behind the wheel. And they're probably not the most reliable people anyway. They're literal drug runners.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3158.687

What they're doing can get them locked up for the rest of their fucking life, and they're probably going to make $2,000 for doing this. Yeah, and they'll have some cool stories. Yeah, I mean, who's going to make the money? They're probably doing it for somebody else, right? They're probably moving it for somebody. And they have to sell it, and then they get a piece, and then they keep doing it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3175.613

And they just have to hope they don't get arrested. And then they do it a few times, you get a little cocky. I mean, someone's bringing all this shit in. Like, how's it getting in? If you're a cop and you're just out there looking around, how many of these moving trucks have fentanyl in them? I think the CIA is bringing most of it in.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3208.955

But we don't want to. It would be too hard. You'd have to take away too much freedom from people. They wouldn't stand for it, and they'd vote you out of office. I'm talking about just stop it from coming in the country. Yes. You could stop it from coming to the country, but you're not going to stop a demand.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3219.763

The real problem is just like the prohibition of alcohol, and I'm not comparing meth with alcohol because I think most people that I know responsibly use alcohol. They take a few drinks. I mean, I know a bunch of people who have abused it. I know a bunch of people who had to stop drinking. But most guys that we're friends with, you have a drink. You guys want to do a shot? Let's do a shot.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3240.26

And then you go do your show, and no one's getting drunk every night.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3245.244

But if you're out there doing meth, there's a chance you're not engaging in responsible meth use. There's a good chance. If you're using meth, you're going hard. You're just micro-dosing? Nah, no one ain't micro-dosing meth. They're going hard. I think meth gets you to go hard. You're listening to fucking Slayer in your car, and you're fired up, and you're making bad decisions.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3274.68

Adderall's super close to meth. Super close.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3279.121

Yeah, it's not the same, but it's in the hunt. People do wild shit on that shit, too. Especially if you take a lot of it. If you take a lot of it, it might as well be meth. And people abuse the shit out of everything. You tell them to take one, they're going to take five or six.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

330.201

I'm watching YouTube videos. I'm text messaging people. You don't notice, right? But we're force-fed this idea that you're supposed to get a new one every year. It's one of the weirdest things. You get to do TV every year? You get a new computer every year? Why the fuck do you get a new phone every year? But every year, they keep pushing us to get a new phone.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3328.351

Well, there's probably a bunch of different scenarios there, but a lot of it has to do with drug use. And a lot of it has to do with self-medicating. A lot of those people are just severely mentally ill and really should be in some sort of an institution. People are never going to stop getting high. No, they're not going to. I'm smoking a cigar right now.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3368.515

Yeah, yeah, but they also – it's Portland. They're ridiculous. Those people are ridiculous. That was Seattle, right?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3376.343

Was it Portland or Seattle? Which one was it? It was Oregon that – Legalize everything, right? Yeah, I think it was Oregon.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3383.337

So it was Portland. Portland's ridiculous. They're ridiculous. So if you just say you can just do drugs wherever you want, just do whatever you want, everything's legal now, everyone's just going to be brazen about it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3393.623

You've got a culture that was demonized for so long, and you have a culture of mental illness where people are looking for something to get them out of this rut that they're in, and the only thing that makes them feel good is fentanyl or oxycodone or whatever the fuck they're taking. Whatever that shit that makes you lean over. What's that stuff? It's a lot of shit to do that.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3414.818

The stuff that, were they doing yoga on the street? Trank? Trank, something like that, I think. Whatever the fuck they're doing, these people, they're trying to escape, right? Yeah. And the idea that you just like leave them, they're obviously like severely mentally ill. Like if we spend money on people with illness, why don't we spend money on people with mental illness?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3433.949

It seems like if you want to support Medicaid, shouldn't you support like mass medical assistance to most of these people? Because a lot of them are probably severely mentally ill and unmedicated. And maybe they can be helped. Maybe someone can take them into an institution. There's somebody calling you a socialist right now in the comments. I am in a lot of ways.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3455.419

I am with some things like the fire department. I think the fire department is a very socialist idea. We're all going to put our money into this this one group of people that's going to act in the best interest of the entire community and put out fires everywhere, regardless of who's got money or doesn't.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

346.868

If you make a phone that's American-made, more durable, and lasts more than a year, it would be worth a premium, and I wouldn't have to feel bad about slaves in China making it. He makes it like the only phone.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3471.164

Like, if you're a poor person and you live on this block and your house catches on fire, they don't say, we're not going to put that fire out. We're only going to put the big guy's fire out. No, if a fucking house gets on fire, everybody agrees that that fire needs to get put out so the fire people move. You spend your tax dollars on that.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3488.51

It's true.

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See, the problem is they're already making so much money doing it the way they're doing it now, and they've got a really good system. If I was a business person involved in that system, not just a human being with ethics and morals, I would say this is the way to do it because this is the way we're going to make the most money. Yeah. But people are tired of it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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That's why people were cheering when that guy got shot, which is kind of fucked up. Here's the truth of the matter.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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The thing about that guy shooting that person that's the most disturbing wasn't just that a lot of people cheered for it, but what was the most disturbing was that people weren't mad. They weren't outraged. They didn't treat it like a regular assassination. It was like an assassination where he deserved it. Right. It didn't seem like a bad even even though people like that was horrible.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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It didn't seem like as bad a thing is like if someone shot John Lennon.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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I mean, not even a famous person. If someone just randomly shot some, you know, executive as it was walking out.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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Really? You feel like that insurance guy was Osama Bin Laden?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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I do think it's a corporate capture issue. Because I think the culture of the corporation is to make as much money as possible and deny more people than the other insurance companies do. They had a higher rate of denying.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3597.068

Did you ever see that one video? I think we played it on the podcast where this woman talked about how she made a decision to deny someone care that they definitely needed. And she was thanked by the company. And then the guy wound up dying. And she knows that she could have given him the lifesaving care. She could have approved it. And she was rewarded for not approving it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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They were like, you did the right thing. So that's like the culture is not about... See, what we were talking about earlier. It's not really about healthcare. Healthcare is the arena in which they're playing their game. But the real game is the people behind the scenes that are trying to make money. And especially if you're doing something that is not...

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3637.394

It doesn't give you a lot of meaning to deny people health care. It doesn't give you a lot of meaning. You don't feel like you have a meaningful life. So those people guarantee you they get addicted to material stuff. They get addicted to getting a nice Rolex. I want to get the newest Rolex. I want to get a fucking Ferrari.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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Like, it got to switch up your whole ethic. Yep, yep. And you got to somehow or another placate yourself, whether it's with drugs or with buying a new purse, something. You need new stuff. You're not going to live in a fucking log hut in the woods if you're living like that. You're not going to be interested in starting your own fire and reading books by candlelight. Shut the fuck up.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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You're doing cocaine, and you're trying to buy a house. And you're surrounded by people that, like—

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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And they probably all medicate. Everybody's on probably something that allows them to not freak out all the time. Some sort of anti-anxiety medication because of what they're doing. And then they don't feel fulfilled in life. You don't feel like that's a good relationship between you and the way you make money and the way you interact with people.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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I don't think they feel bad. I think they're medicated. I bet. Yeah, I bet you have anxiety when you're doing stuff like that. You probably need an SSRI. Probably need a little something.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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Like, well, you know, somebody would do this. And you also realize, hey, the rest of the public, they don't know. They don't know. That's just the insurance business. That's the business. This is standard.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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People looked at it very differently than someone just shooting some other person. They almost looked at it like he deserved it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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Well, I think with incentives, with government incentives and people understanding that this competition that we're having is all technologically based. And if all of our technology is getting made in another country, that's essentially a national security issue.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3761.157

I just felt nothing, honestly. It was weird, too, because it gave a lot of liberal grifters the opportunity to celebrate someone getting shot and murdered violently. Which should be the complete opposite of the way they view violent crime. They should think of violence as being the last resort. Violence is abhorrent. Violence is not a part of a civilized society.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3786.072

We want kindness and compassion and we want people to... be able to live their life. You don't want violent murders on the street if you are a progressive. But a lot of progressives were cheering when this guy got murdered. Which just shows how many grifters and hypocrites there are.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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But if certain people die, I'm like, well, you know. Well, I don't even know what this guy's relationship to that guy was. I don't know why he wanted to kill him specifically.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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To me, it's it's different than like, let's say some Iraq war veteran assassinated Dick Cheney. Like that, to me, makes more sense now. That one makes more sense. Here's a guy who knows that this guy engineered this thing where they lied about weapons of mass destruction, led us into a war that ultimately wind up killing who knows how many people.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3863.074

But I think Dick Cheney would have got a better reaction than this guy. You think people would have been sad that Dick Cheney got shot? Well, they would have thought it was very dangerous because whenever a vice president gets shot, everybody feels vulnerable.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3896.046

That's why it was really crazy when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and they were all like, yeah. What? That guy?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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Yeah. Well, again, it's a business. It's a business designed to make money. And all of them want to make, I mean, they have an obligation. They need to make more money next quarter. What can we do? What can we do? They start denying people. And if you're using AI, like, specifically to deny people, like, let's make this more efficient. Is that what's happening now?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3950.856

I don't know if that's true, but I've read it. I've read it that some insurance companies are using AI to deny more claims than ever. See if that's true. I wouldn't be shocked. Would you be shocked?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3960.608

If you're a company and you're trying to make the most money and you find out that there's software that will allow you to make more money and all you care about is making money, you're not really caring about healthcare. You don't want people to feel – if you did, you'd say, we should all make less money and give out more money to these people.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

3974.595

We could accept more claims and we would have a much healthier world and we would feel better karmically, right? Wouldn't that be nice if they thought like that? Yeah. You would have to own the company. You'd have to be like a guru, like a really calm, peaceful guru, and you would own the company and just have like an ethical insurance company and not give anybody's stake in it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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Don't let anybody like try to juice the system because they want to make more money. Oh, like not a public company. Exactly.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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Like people, they forgave a lot of Biden stumbles until they were like, what the fuck? You know, a lot of people, like, in 2020 were like, there's no way. There's no way he's going to do it. He was too old to run when it was 2016.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4013.985

Yeah, I should. Well, you're gambling, right? You're gambling that something doesn't happen to you that's more expensive than all the payments you give me every month for 10 years.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4030.402

Well, it should probably be the same way we treat the fire department. But if we're going to do that and people say, what about all these people that are obese? What about all these people that are eating bad food? Yeah. We've got to educate our society.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4041.326

We have to think of ourselves as a community, as a collective community, educate ourselves, and health care should be something that's paid for by the government. Insurance companies use artificial intelligence to automatically deny claims, which can raise concerns about bias and inaccuracies. If your claim is denied by AI, you can take steps to understand your rights and challenge the denial.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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Keep records. Document all correspondence with your insurer, including denial letters and any communication about AI. A lawyer can help you understand your rights and determine if the denial was made in bad faith. Like, you're fucked. Yeah, for most people, especially people that work all day and you're dealing with this shit, you're fucked.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4086.107

Landmark law prohibits health insurance companies from using AI to deny healthcare coverage. All right. That's great. Especially like using it specifically to deny. So that's California. That's a great law. The whole country should adopt that.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4100.012

Yeah. I really think that the problem is that there's been a long history of profit for healthcare and that they go into it to profit and – The real problem with that is you want, but you also want the best surgeons, right? You want the best doctors and they have to be motivated. And most of them are motivated both by excelling in their practice and also by material possessions that reward them.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4127.344

Like doctors always have like a Porsche. Doctors have a Mercedes. Doctors have a nice house. Like you should be a doctor, Brian. You should be a doctor, a nice doctor. Doctors make a lot of money. But they also have a fuckload of bills and they have a fuckload of insurance.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4140.69

OK, so they have the problem with them is like liability insurance, like liability insurance for malpractice insurance for doctors is crazy expensive. But don't doctors still make good money in countries? They do, but they're constantly moving people in and out of their office because they got a fucking heavy nut to cover every month.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4160.818

Yes, UnitedHealth is facing multiple class action lawsuits over its use of algorithms. Its investment practices and its treatment of patients algorithm use claim processing. UnitedHealth is facing a class action lawsuit over the algorithm it uses to process claims.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4180.361

Yeah. Monsters. Monsters. But this is also because we've set up a system of profit. Now, imagine if that system of profit existed for the fire department. Imagine if you had to pay fire department fees every month. And if you didn't and your house burned, they go, hey, Brian, we just checked and you don't have fire coverage. And so now you're fucked. That sounds crazy. That's crazy, right?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4201.815

Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen it happen. So we agree that the fire department should be kind of a socialist organization. Yeah. Okay, why not healthcare? Yeah, that's how I feel. But then the problem is, you know, Dr. fucking Grossman, he wants a Ferrari. He's the baddest motherfucker for fixing knees. He fixes everybody's knees on the Lakers. He wants some money. Give him a Ferrari. He's the best.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4225.888

Yeah, but the problem with that is how much does everybody get paid? Does the government just pay everybody the same way they're getting paid now? Or does it become like a government job, like you're a state-appointed defense attorney? It becomes like the NFL. You know what I mean?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4245.043

Like not as motivated as some super high-powered defense attorney that handles huge cases and knows the law inside and out. You know what I'm saying?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4253.71

It's like, who's going to fix you now? Because like my friends in Canada, they say, yeah, health care is free. But like one of my friends, she had to wait. My friend Jen, she had to wait like a year plus to get an ACL surgery. And it's all fucked up still. So, like, for this ACL surgery, she's waiting, like, a whole year to get her knee fixed. I hope I'm not speaking out of school.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4273.509

I'm pretty sure it was close to a year. And so she's got a bad knee for a year. Whereas, like, in America, you're supposed to be able to go to the doctor. The doctor says your health care has come up. Yep, you definitely tore your ACL, Brian. Okay, well, good news is you're covered. You know, you have a deductible, but this is your deductible. Okay, we can schedule you for February 16th.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4292.065

This is what we need you to do. No aspirin, no this, no that. You know, don't eat within eight hours you get here because you're going to go under. They tell you they prep you for surgery.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4328.999

Well, how about this fire insurance deal in California? What happened? Like a giant percentage of those people that lost their homes in that fire, they didn't have insurance. These insurance companies pulled out of fire coverage.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4358.223

Here's the thing about the fires. There's satellite video of those fires, all three of them starting at the same time. You ever seen it? No, no. It's super suspicious. Super, super suspicious.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4376.471

Simultaneously, yeah. You wanna see it? You need to see it, because it's so creepy. I think it was arson. I think somebody did it. Whether it was a schizophrenic person, a firebug. There's a lot of those people that are firebugs, man. There's people that are like actual arsonists.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4392.401

And when you get into the conditions that happen in the Santa Ana winds when California's dry, like you remember when it was. You were there in 2018 with that big crazy fire, right? Did you see any of that on the 405? It was insane.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4411.812

The thing is it doesn't have to be some crazy conspiracy. People think it's a conspiracy, a land grab, this whole thing. Maybe, maybe, but also people start fires. It's a known crime. In fact, one of the people that they arrested, he had a fake fire truck. So this dude was a known arsonist, I believe from Oregon. He bought a fire truck with a fireman's outfit and was going into these areas.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4441.014

And he's an arsonist. So he's probably starting fires.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4446.515

How crazy is that? But some people are just out of their fucking minds, man. Including a lot of firemen. That's a problem with firemen. There's been firemen who have started fires.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4469.005

Like if one of these, if someone, a human being was caught that definitely lit these three fires that appear simultaneously, if a human being did that, they're responsible for I don't know how many deaths. How many people died? I think it's 25 or something like that.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4484.433

how much damage how many people are going to damage sure like you're in jail for the rest of your life for everything for the damage you're in jail for the rest of your life you you you owe 350 billion dollars and counting it's 350 billion dollars of damage and then altadena is gone and are they still having the grammys or whatever i don't know they probably are well we did the ufc there we did the ufc like in the middle of the fires

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4510.922

I didn't think we were going to do it. I was like, are we going to do it here? And Dana was like, we're going to do it. The Clippers are going to play there on, I forget what day, but earlier in the week. And if the Clippers play, we're going to do it. Otherwise, they were going to do Vegas. They were just going to move everybody to Vegas if it got worse. Because they keep starting.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4527.53

New ones start. Oh, it's not over? No. There's one that's up in Santa Clarita. Somebody started one up there or something started one up there. The 2018 they know was an accident because they know there was a part, the part that cost $1. That one part failed and it started a fire. A $1 part.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4550.452

They have to fix it. You have to clean up the brush. You have to do what they did with the water, where they opened up the water from the north to come flow freely down to the south and not divert it into the Pacific Ocean. They fill up the reservoir that you had that was 11 million gallons that was empty. Fucking psychos. Like, what are you doing?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4567.512

You clearly haven't taken the right steps if that can happen. It can be at least mitigated. You're always going to have those crazy wins. You're always going to have arsonists. You're always going to have things that fuck up or something starts a fire accidentally.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4583.967

Don't they do like control burns and all that stuff every year? Fact check, old satellite footage falsely linked to 2025 LA wildfires. So what is that video of three fires starting simultaneously? Because people were saying it was the California fires. Is this the video? I don't know.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4609.801

So I don't know if that's the one. It's hard to say.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4615.742

So it's miscaptioned. So it's not true. What about the one where it shows a person starting the fire? Because there is one video where they think that they have an image, an actual image of a guy starting the fire.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4629.986

Whoops, just happened to be near it with a blowtorch. How about that guy? They caught that one guy? And he's like, I was just lighting my joint. He had a blowtorch in his hand, and they made it like a citizen's arrest.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4642.288

Nope. Dude had been arrested like eight times. He had vandalism, all kinds of shit on his resume, violent crimes, I believe.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4651.098

Well, he was running around in a fire with a blowtorch. Hey, bro, put that down. How are you going to light your shit? A lighter? He said he couldn't afford a lighter. Bitch, a lighter is a quarter.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4666.956

How much is one of them little Bic lighters? A dollar? Is that a dollar?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4672.88

See? If it's made in America, it's going to cost more. All right? Yeah. Otherwise, China's going to chop off our fucking supply of Bics.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4692.143

They found him out where the fires were with a blowtorch. And he said it was empty.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4702.068

Yeah, he was a criminal. What was I just going to ask you to Google?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4713.75

Huberman filmed people starting fires Andrew Huberman he was driving down the street and he caught these guys starting a fire and filmed it put it on his phone so people are starting fires here because you got all these homeless people and crazy people and people that want to burn it all down man and while the fire is going on they feel like fuck it man let's fucking let's help this fucking fire fuck these rich people I mean it's the palisades they're like the richest people in all of LA you think that's their motivations

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4743.433

Yeah, I think a lot of that for the arsonists. I think a lot of it is like, fuck society, my life sucks. I think a lot of people just, there's crazy people like the guy from Oregon that are almost like amateur firefighters, amateur arsonists. That's their side project. Did you see Chappelle talk about it on his SNL monologue? I didn't.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4771.824

Well, he talks about Palestine.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4780.147

The Palestine thing is nuts. I watched a video yesterday of Gaza, and I don't know if you've seen flyover drone footage of what it looks like now. Nope. You want to see it? Yeah, let's see it. Or do you want to live your life No, I want to see it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4796.269

It's crazy. You shouldn't go looking for it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4798.45

I won't send it to you anymore.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4809.517

There's a lot of before and after videos where they'll show someone driving down a road before and they show what it all looks like now. It's like the city doesn't exist anymore. It's like way bigger than downtown Austin wiped off the map. Look at this. This is crazy. So this is flying drone footage over Gaza City, and it's just everything's destroyed. Everything's destroyed.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

481.635

That's a $76 value gift for free if you go to drinkag1.com slash joerogan. Seriously, get on this. I don't know. I'm interested to see. Look, if Robert F. Kennedy Jr. gets approved, I'm interested to see.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4840.628

It's like a nuke went off. Look at this. From the sky, when you look at it, like as far as the eye can see, just destruction. Everything's got a missile hole in it. Everything's collapsed. Everything's fucked up. Every now and then like one house or one building in between is untouched. But most of it is fucking destroyed. If I was the guy who lived next door to that house, that's perfect.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4862.155

I'd be like, who did you pay?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4864.196

Right. He doesn't even get blown up once. This is crazy. Crazy. And this is right now. Right now. And somehow we're being fed that this is the only way to do this. And then somehow or another, this is acceptable to get rid of Hamas just to completely annihilate everybody. I mean, the number of people that are dead now is off the charts. They don't even know how many. This looks insane. Insane.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4893.327

Insane. It's insane. And it's happening right now. This is how it used to look? Uh-huh. This is what it used to look like. Look at that. Shops and cars. And now it's just. Just destroyed. Everything destroyed. They bombed the fuck out of everything. Bro, this shit make you feel something. Well, this is, like, this is never coming back.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4916.671

Like, this is, like, they essentially, like, moved everybody out of there. Like, who's going to stay there now? What is all of this shit? What is all of this? What is that? Tents. Tents where people have to stay in tents. By the way, they might bomb those tents too. The whole thing is very scary, dude, because it's just at a level of destruction that's impossible to say that you support it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4943.337

It's like, this is insane. These are human lives. How many people are dying here? Is this the only way to do this? Is this the only way to do this? This seems crazy.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4954.421

And how did you guys get to this point?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4970.186

I think there's something to that, but I think we kind of need to pay attention nowadays.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

498.428

If they start removing pesticides and herbicides and all these things that are killing people, if people's health improves, if we remove things from the human diet, if we just start educating people on the importance of diet and exercise, I would love to see that.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

4996.864

I know. That's on purpose. They're doing a real good job of confusing people. That's when I, you know. And everybody thinks they're right. Everybody thinks they're right, yeah. And there's also a lot of stuff that's going on behind the scenes. Like a lot of the way stories are amplified is to serve as a distraction from other things that are taking place at the same time.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5018.275

Like they love to do stuff like that where they'll push out a story, like some inflammatory story. But really the design of that story is to get you distracted from other things that are going on simultaneously. That's what I think a lot of this, when I think about the UFO stuff, I'm always like, man, this, if I wanted something to distract the shit out of people, this is a really good one.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5040.462

Not saying that that's what they're doing, but it makes me.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5044.083

No, you were about to tell me at the beginning.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5074.374

Yeah. That's a theory called panspermia.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5078.601

Yeah, and it also accounts for some things that don't fit in, like psilocybin mushrooms. There's something very alien about them. One of the things about spores is that spores can survive almost anything. They can survive in a vacuum. They can survive through space. Spores are insanely durable.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5100.553

And if you have the potential for all of these amino acids and different minerals, and there was absolutely salt on that, right? Wasn't there salt on that rock as well? I don't know. Let me see. I think there was a bunch of different elements of life on that asteroid. And why not spores? And if, you know...

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5124.824

some mushroom that grows on another planet where these human beings interact with nature through it. And then it just lands here on earth.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5146.152

Yeah. So that means it has all the building blocks of life and it comes from salt water and a chunk of it comes flying off. Isn't that nutty? Like that's how a lot of things, they think that's like maybe how the water got here.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5161.064

Yeah, that like comets. A comet, yeah. That comets hit us and that's where we got the water. Is that a real theory still? Because they change those. You know, like they look at them and they go, well, maybe. Like now they're wondering whether dark energy is real. They think maybe time moves differently in between galaxies. Like they've got some new theory?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

519.864

That's not necessarily true because you can motivate people. There's a real power in free motivation. And having a government that's like promoting health in that way would cause a bunch of people to take that step that they've been thinking about taking. So a lot of times motivation doesn't catch you flat. Motivation catches you looking for motivation, right?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5193.93

They think that gravity and space-time moves differently in the voids in between galaxies and planets. Wait a minute. Who's saying that? Who's saying that? Like, what are you saying?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5209.826

That's what it counts for. I just need to know less because it's breaking my brain. That's why they're apart from each other. It's not that dark energy is pushing them away from each other. I don't know. This is the theory of like dark matter and dark energy. It's like 90 something percent of the universe is this theory. Right. So what does that mean?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5228.348

So if it's not that, then there's 90 percent of the universe. What? It's like just space time moving in a different way.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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Well, they've got some new tools now, like that James Webb telescope. That thing's crazy.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5246.64

Well, I remember Duncan told me something about it a long time ago. He said they found something that they think is at least 22 billion years old. They found some star cluster or something that they think is 22 billion years old. So it throws the whole Big Bang thing into a tizzy. Is he talking about the Methuselah star? No.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5267.256

That's interesting too because the Methuselah star is actually older somehow than the entire universe, which doesn't make any sense. It's like 14 plus billion years old. So it's like a little bit older than what they think was the Big Bang.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5286.385

It's still within the marshal. The Methuselah star is. But not this new discovery. So the new discovery for the James Webb Telescope is they found galaxies that formed too quickly. And they formed so long ago, like so far away because they could see bigger now, that it's changing. Like there's two things possible. Maybe we were wrong about how quickly galaxies form.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5310.596

Maybe they form way quicker or maybe – The universe is way older than we think it is. So maybe the reason why these things exist and then you could find them and then although there's things that like blink in and that they exist at one point in time and don't exist anymore, they don't know what the fuck those are, these red lights, these red spots that they found in the universe.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5330.182

But they think that – People are very reluctant to commit, right? Because they don't really know. But the potential is that the universe is not 14 or 13 point whatever billion years old, but maybe as old as 24 billion years old.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5354.12

Because I'm fascinated by this kind of shit. The problem with two people talking is I got to lock in on these dudes. I just want to listen. Yeah, but I'd want you to chime in, too. With some of these people, you have to have one-on-one. Because even if I do two guests, everybody always has something cool to say, right? And then someone else is talking, and you want to... It's hard.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5376.674

It's hard to work it. And when you've got someone who's talking about something very esoteric, very difficult to grasp...

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5384.56

you know they're talking about like quantum physics they're trying to explain to you the the these the dynamics of these subatomic particles like what you need like one person just locked on every time i hear quantum physicists talk i never understand everything they say bro i barely understand uh a fraction of what they're talking about even when they're talking about other yeah yeah like they're operating on a different level trying to give you a recipe

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

541.895

Like you want to get your shit together, right? Be like, God, I just fucking need to get to the gym. I just need something. And then one day the government announces that we are going to turn the health of America around and we are going to promote a national fitness regime. We're going to start bringing it to schools and kids to get people healthier.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5413.852

oh yeah jesus christ man weinstein's crazy smart in a spooky way i know but he's like he forgets how much smarter than right he'll talk to you in a way that like you're like i don't even know what you're saying yeah bro like i don't have that degree bro yeah well he has a theory of everything i do not understand it at all i don't know how many people could follow it i don't understand it but that kind of person that would sit around and try to create a theory of everything

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5441.474

He's of the belief that potentially we're looking at U.S.-made stuff that's like super advanced and that they put a lid on it somehow. But what would be the purpose of that? Because I think if you develop something in secrecy like they do all the time with like the stealth bomber, all these different things, even the Manhattan Project, you develop things in secrecy.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5463.308

And then there comes a time where you test them, you use them, you have them. But then are you going to admit you have them? Because then the enemy is going to infiltrate. They're going to find out you have them. There's espionage. They're going to steal your information. They've been doing that forever.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5476.993

We talked about these back doors that China has and all our electronics or potentially could have, right? How many things are vulnerable because of AI now? How many things are vulnerable because everything is attached to the internet? How many things can be hacked? Who fucking knows?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5489.538

But the reality is we're in a very uniquely vulnerable position in terms of if someone did have that kind of technology that could take over AI systems, that could kill the power grid, that could fly things through the sky autonomously, that move at speeds that are impossible to imagine with conventional aircraft, and can really, like you said, park it over... The White House.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5517.092

Maybe part of what he's saying is true. Maybe he really did write that. Maybe someone wrote that and it's like some truths and some wacky shit to try to throw you off of the truth, which is also a strategy that gets used. When you have something that's like a real conspiracy, you know what you do? You attach it to a bunch of other shit like witchcraft, voodoo, fucking ghosts.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5535.672

Attach it to stupid shit. You make it sound crazy.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5537.634

make it sound crazy yeah these people came from Bigfoot is an interdimensional traveler who communicates with people telepathically add some stuff to it that just makes it stupid but inside of it have like the truth they definitely do that they do that to make people's stories seem stupid when they go and tell them to the press yeah I mean that's what I would do if I was if it was in my interest to keep some kind of weird thing secret tell people you're just gonna sound crazy

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5578.889

Have you been a robot this whole time?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

562.391

We're going to bring in organic food and start feeding kids when you feed them in public schools and you have free lunches. Did Michelle Obama try to do something like that? Yes, she did. She got shut down. They shut her right the fuck down. They're like, sit down.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5625.487

It was the first of these alien movies since the original that captured the spirit of the original one. Like the fear of going through the corridors, not knowing where that thing is, it hunting you, the way it got to those people. That was a good alien movie. I think that was the best alien movie since Alien 1. I think. Alien 2 was like that, though. Yeah, but Alien 2, they were too easy to kill.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5650.016

I didn't like how they could just gun them down. But you're right. It was the same sort of...

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5656.427

Prometheus was pretty good. Covenant was better. I liked Covenant. Covenant was really good. Michael Fassbender, he's the shit.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5666.153

Oh, yeah?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5676.219

Prometheus is pretty good, but they had this story to tell about seeding DNA and the fucking operators.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5682.583

Yeah, Covenant was the one where they landed.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5688.366

The other one was the actual human-like aliens and their planet, and they have some war, and they all die, and this one guy comes to them. Remember? These guys. Remember?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5701.533

Did they call them the operators? Yeah. No. But there was, it said no xenomorphs.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5710.777

They're going to do a Prometheus 2. It says no xenomorphs in Prometheus 2. Oh, they're going to have a Prometheus 2.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5719.905

Because you have like a whole universe of alien possibilities now because they skip timelines and shit. You know, like this one is like right after the Nostromo gets blown up and they find it and they find the dude. You know, you saw it. Yeah.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5754.705

Right, right, right, because it was right afterwards. So people hadn't known yet.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5765.249

Exactly. Right. Get away from her, you bitch.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5769.091

Yeah. When she's got the fucking robot suit on. I didn't like that either. That thing would fuck her up in that robot suit.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5778.735

Yeah. Damn. Sigourney Weaver was probably the first woman that was the badass in the lead of a science fiction action movie, and it was 1979.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5825.627

Yeah, she don't fuck around.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5827.289

So, yeah. She's a beautiful woman. She gained like 50 fucking pounds to play that person. Really? Yeah, she got fat, shaved her eyebrows off, looked disgusting. Charlize Theron is beautiful. She's stunningly good looking. I've seen her in person. And then you see what she looked like in that movie. The kind of courage that it takes to do that.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5847.446

You never saw Monster? Bro.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5851.268

Monsters is a great fucking movie. Shout out to my friend Patty Jenkins who made it. But that movie was like no ladies do that. Like Robert De Niro did that. Marky Mark's done that. Stallone got fat for a movie. They'll do that. But like for her? Wow. Bro. Crazy.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5883.808

I was telling you before, you know what's good? It's Nosferatu. Yeah, I'm going to go watch it right now. I'm going to download it for the plane, actually. I'm saying it right now, it's the best vampire movie ever. Ever. The best vampire movie ever. That's a big statement. That's a big statement. I'm saying it. It's the best vampire movie ever. It's the creepiest vampire movie ever.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5902.697

So you're saying it's better than Blade. Blade was awesome, but Blade was a superhero movie. More than it was a... So you don't count Blade as a vampire movie? It was a vampire movie in that the superhero had to kill the vampires, but it's a Marvel comic guy. I've known Blade since I was a teenager. I was into Marvel comics.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5922.205

Yeah, Blade was a badass martial artist who was half vampire who was fucking up vampires. He was the Daywalker. It's a fun superhero movie, more than anything. But the movie wasn't really about the vampires. Yeah, right? It was like they were the enemy and he was the good guy. That was the movie. The movie was essentially revenge. They killed Riddler. Oh, shit.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5946.366

Oh, Twilight? Yeah, that's bullshit. But do you consider those vampire movies? Yeah, those are vampire movies. All right, all right. They're fun. They're fun. If you're a girl, there's a lot of stuff that girls like that I don't like. I don't have to like it for it to be good. Obviously, it made hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. People love those movies.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5970.118

Yeah, I'm not a fan of watching bad movies, but Nosferatu is good. This is the trailer for Nosferatu? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really good, dude. It's really good. Like, for real, like, if you like a good old-fashioned horror vampire movie, and the dude who plays Count Orlok is the dude who played Pennywise in It. Oh, wait. And it's the best vampire ever.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

5993.765

They're probably not going to show you anything in the trailer, what he looked like, but holy shit, dude, there's this one scene where you get to see, like, his whole body naked when he rises up out of the coffin. Spoiler alert. It's insane. And not just creepy, but beautifully shot. Oh, I remember seeing previews for this. Oh, dude, it's good. It's good. It's good.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6019.022

And they're not going to even show you. Even in the trailer, they don't show you the vampire. See, I like that. When you do get to see the dude, it's incredible. That's not real. That is like some fan-made shit. There's a video where you could see him.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6034.996

Google Orlok so much of the shit on the internet is bullshit I was trying not to spoil it for Brian what what he looks like it's a big reveal in the movie I don't know really but it's based on the image the way he looks is based on the original Legend of Dracula which was a guy named Vlad the Impaler so he was real yeah this is what he looks like in this but you gotta see it like this is a very toned down version of it

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6063.952

It's incredible. If you like a good, scary horror movie, it's the best vampire movie. I love a reveal. It's a great reveal. It's really good. And they drag it out. You get to see him kind of in the beginning, and then eventually you get to really see him.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6116.009

Exactly. And this movie does it perfect. Jaws. Jaws, yeah.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

612.657

I also think that the problem with like healthcare and all these things where people are getting paid, you're dealing with a bunch of different games that are being played inside a game that has a function. And that function is healthcare. Like it provides healthcare in a kind of shifty, shitty way. But the game it's playing is make the most money. That's the game it's playing.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6120.589

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. That's right. Jaws was great.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6125.43

Predator holds up.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6127.891

If it bleeds, we can kill it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6202.071

They started getting silly with Aliens versus Predator. Remember that? They were doing that for a while.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6209.174

Oh, that's an arm wrestling senior Predator. Yeah. That's it.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6216.533

Yeah, they have arm wrestling in the air.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6235.847

The way they acted back then was like it was a different form of language. It's like it seems so fake. If that was like a director today, like the same director that did Nosferatu, he'd be like, cut, cut. What are we doing?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6249.051

Are you guys really meeting each other for the first time, or is this like a play? Come on. Convince me.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6262.883

He did Conan.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6265.165

You know who was the best Conan, though? What? Jason Momoa. Jason Momoa did a terrible Conan movie, but he was the best Conan. Because he was the only Conan that looked like Conan really looked. Like Conan was like super muscular, but he wasn't a bodybuilder. He looked like a killer. He looked like a UFC fighter. He looked like Yuri Prohaska would be a good Conan. Like that kind of build.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6285.617

Like a big, strong guy, but not a bodybuilder. And also it's like the film was more stylistically appropriate to like the Conan lore. What do you mean how Conan looked? In the books. Oh, I didn't know Conan was books. Oh, dude, I'm a super Conan nerd.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6305.99

Yeah. Well, it was a book. Robert E. Howard. He wrote books about Conan the Conqueror. And he created this whole like world of Samaria where he's from. And this whole lore of this one usurper who rises and kills everybody. And that's Conan. And he slays dragons and monsters and demons and, you know. I think he comes back from the dead at one point in time. He's the greatest warrior of all time.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6341.019

That's how the books were.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6342.721

The books were incredible. The books were written by a guy who lived with his mom and committed suicide. So the dude was like, he was getting, he wanted, his life sucked. He was super depressed. And he got thrill out of imagining him being Conan the Barbarian and conquering lands and having sex with all these beautiful women and killing sorcerers. They came up after he died?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6368.179

No, they were, this is like in the 1920s. The 30s is when he wrote it? Yeah. It was a long time ago he wrote these books. And then they turned them into comic books in the 1960s? When did they start making Conan comic books? So then they had the comic books and then they had illustrated books. And then I think that was the first Conan movie was Arnold. I think he was the first Conan movie.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6398.285

And there's been a few attempts since then, but no one has really captured the books like stylistically, except for like the Jason Momoa movie. Yeah. But the movie just wasn't that good. You need a real Robert Eggers, the guy who did this Nosferatu movie. That's his name, right? It's Robert Eggers, right? Sorry. The guy who did the Nosferatu movie? Yes.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

64.523

Didn't Obama, he was famous to go to Joe as a, don't worry, Joe will find a way to fuck things up. Oh, wow.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

642.45

It's playing a financial game. That's why it's coming up with reasons to deny people, and it's using AI to figure out how to deny people, and they deny a large amount of claims. So you've got to look at it like what it actually is. It's not that it's all bad. But there's a bunch of different games. Each person in that game is playing their own game. You have thousands of employees.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6425.925

That guy, like that guy did a Conan movie, it would be sick. But it has to be like a realistic movie. It has to be a movie of this realistic warrior encountering these crazy things. It can't be like cartoonish. It can't be like I just have to believe this dumb shit. Too much suspension of disbelief. It's got to be like a wild movie based. The Northman. Oh, the Northman was amazing.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6451.059

Did you see that? Yeah, I saw that. That's exactly what I'm talking about. This kind of movie is exactly like what Conan would have to be. That movie's fucking great. That's like one of the best Viking movies.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6465.501

Really good movie. Oh, there's no good guys in that movie. No. That movie's crazy and probably representative of the real life of Vikings, the way they really lived. Because they were fucking ruthless. That movie's great, but it's also got supernatural in it. There's a lot of cool shit in that movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they believed in a lot of supernatural shit.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6487.255

If that guy directed Conan, holy shit. Then you would get to see the real books, because the Robert E. Howard books were great.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6496.78

Yes. Oh, okay.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6498.681

Bro, it's good. It's fucking good. Nosferatu's one of the best movies I've seen in a long time. It's great. And it's so beautiful. Like the way it's shot is so beautiful. There's a scene when he's walking up to the castle. It's the creepiest setup of all time. It's so good. I don't want to ruin it. It's so good. If you like those kind of movies, I love those kind of movies.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6523.637

I grew up on monster movies. I grew up on like, you know, that's why I have that American Werewolf in London out there. I grew up on all of that.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6535.646

Nosferatu cinematographer promises Robert Eggers' werewolf is unlike anything done before. A medieval werewolf movie. Oh, boy. And the primary candidate has never been used in a film. What does that mean?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6560.725

Wow.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6563.647

Wow, that guy's done some killer fucking movies. I'm excited about this werewolf movie. I've been saying that forever. Someone needs to make another good werewolf movie. Like that Benicio Del Toro one?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6580.693

Yeah, but medieval. So like candlelight, spooky. It's going to be awesome. Remember the Jack Nicholson werewolf one? What was that called? Oh, yeah, that was terrible with Michelle Pfeiffer. That was so stupid.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6623.496

Ah, I'm a wolf. Look, he just looks like a regular guy. It's so dopey. It's so silly. Like, look at this. They decided to make a horror movie that wasn't that scary. And he moves like the $6 million man. Look, slow motion jump, obviously a stuntman. And he's going to tackle this deer. And I'm supposed to believe this.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6647.453

I'm supposed to believe that this dude who just looks like a dude can run faster than a fucking deer.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6659.554

Like, how does becoming a human that's part wolf make you this fast when you look exactly the same?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

666.091

You have thousands of people trying to climb the corporate ladder and make more money and get promotions and make more money for the company and impress the board. They want a fucking yacht, bro.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6669.904

This is so stupid. It's so stupid. The owl's freaking out. This is crazy. This is crazy. Did you ever see the Benicio Del Toro one? Uh-uh. There's one good scene. One good scene when the doctors are examining him and they're trying to tell him that he's out of his fucking mind and the doctor's speaking in one of those medical theaters like they used to do in the 1800s.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6696.635

And he's explaining that this person has delusions and they think they're going to be a wolf and so we're going to show him by having him tied to this chair while the moon turns full and we're going to cure him of whatever the fuck is wrong with his brain. So they have him in this thing. Give me some volume on this.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6913.167

Everything else is great. It's not like American Werewolf in London. It's too much like the Wolfman, which is what it was kind of based on, like an updated version of the Wolfman. The same guy who did that makeup, by the way, did the American Werewolf in London. That was Rick Baker. That was like the Teen Wolf Wolf. Was, right? Was Rick Baker that did that, right? Yeah, Rick Baker.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6931.68

So the thing is, though, it was not CGI. And that's what they were trying to achieve. Because there's a difference between the way it looks. When it's a dude with a mask on, it looks more realistic. It doesn't take you out of it. And there's something about CGI... That even if the wolf looks good, it takes you out of it. The American Werewolf in London, you didn't get to see shit for a long time.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6950.941

It was deep into that movie, you saw flashes of the wolf. Until it was in Piccadilly Square and it started killing people. Remember that? I spent a long time not seeing that movie. The guy turns into a werewolf in the movie theater. He goes to a dirty movie theater. So he's in this dirty movie theater and they're playing porno films. And he's talking to his dead friend.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6969.963

He's telling him he's got to kill himself. He's going to become a wolf and kill people. And his friend is like rotting. It's hilarious. It's very funny. And he turns into the wolf in the movie theater, kills everybody, and then bursts out onto the street and starts killing people in traffic.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6986.545

Yes, there's a subway scene where there's a businessman, he's trying to get away, and he sees it creeping up on him. That's a good scene, too, because you barely see the wolf. You see this guy running, and you know that it's coming after him.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

6998.268

You see the terrified look on his face, and at the end of the scene, you see the wolf enter into the frame at the bottom of the escalator, where this guy's completely exhausted and sliding down this escalator. You know the scariest movie I've seen recently?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

706.76

That might be the one. Healthcare might be the one thing that we can come to like a bipartisan agreement on that health insurance and insurance companies in general They're just captivated by what a corporation is. A corporation has a responsibility to its shareholders to make the most money.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

71.712

Supposedly, it's hard to know what the quote was, but supposedly.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

7172.478

I just don't think you should show this to America right now. You know what I'm saying? Like after Luigi, after people celebrated Luigi, we don't want to like glorify people that just go on killing rampages.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

7201.6

That's another one that's been memory hold. The New Orleans guy just ran over all those people. What New Orleans guy? You didn't hear about this? No. This was how long ago, Jamie?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

7214.36

So this New Orleans guy turns down Bourbon Street and just runs people over. Ran over like 200 people. Bunch of people got fucked up. Bunch of people died. How many people died?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

7226.061

I think like 200 people were injured. Wow. 14 people dead or more. He was in a Cybertruck too? Yeah, and he was also – Not a Cybertruck. No, he was – yeah, sorry, not a Cybertruck. But he was also one of the guys from Fort Bragg. We were talking about it yesterday with Metzger. Metzger will get you to believe in conspiracies. Bro, Metzger will take you down some rabbit holes.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

725.108

And that's a problem with the whole structure of it, is that no matter what the business is, they find a way to make money more than they find a way to do the thing that they're supposed to be doing well as a service to people.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

7263.97

Yeah, well, luckily, you know, Kirk gets it. If you're like, dude, I can't right now. He'll stop. He'll say, I can't. I can't do this right now. I've got to go on stage in five minutes. I can't hear how many people Hillary Clinton killed. I think he probably is abreast at every conspiracy theory. Right, but he believes a bunch of them that are kooky.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

7282.782

He and I have had some conversations about ones. I'm like, wait, why do you believe that? That one doesn't make any sense.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

7330.519

That doesn't make any sense. Was that that Professor Dave guy? Yeah, Professor Dave. Yeah, Professor Dave's done quite a few of those. He's doing the world a nice favor.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

7343.843

Well, to what? To bad science. It's to people getting led down a bad road and believing something that's uniquely preposterous, that the earth is flat.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

7389.306

Well, Christopher Hitchens was uniquely brilliant, and he was so good at forming arguments and sentences, and his grasp of the language was so...

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

7398.755

expert he was a great speaker amazing amazing speaker so that he would have these conversations with these people and they'd be like woefully underprepared and they just they couldn't handle he also has an incredible amount of knowledge when it comes to religion

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

7412.748

whether it's Christianity or Islam, and he'll call out everything that has ever happened that's terrible that every one of them has done, and he knows that information at the tip of his fingers at any given time. I grew up religious, and he was the one that made me be like, oh. He makes some very, very, very compelling logical arguments.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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There's also the problem with religion is that there's so many of them, too, and they're so different, and they all think that they have the right one. That's a real problem. But I think The desire for religion seems to be a part of the structure of our thinking. It's like one of those things that reoccurs everywhere there's groups of people.

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There's a desire for meaning, and then there's a connection to a higher power that we all seem to agree is not just likely, but you feel its presence every now and then.

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And also to have a daddy. Yeah. We always want someone who is above us, whether it's the president or the mayor or your father, whoever it is. You want some person who's looking out for you and it is watching over everything and has a plan for all of it.

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Yeah, wait until you, God is watching, you jerk off.

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What is better, an overly religious childhood or a childhood filled with crime and violence?

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clearly overly religious right that's better because you can learn your way out of some stupid shit that they talked you into when you were young depending on what the religion is but crime and violence gets you killed someone else gets killed you go to jail it's not good like it's definitely better in terms of like what is more compatible with society to grow up very religious with very strict rules and then maybe as you get older you sort of recognize that

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Well, it used to be that there was no social media. So if you wanted to make a big change, the government could gaslight you on TV in these press conferences and bring out experts and they could gaslight you and tell you what to do and that was all the information you had. That doesn't work anymore. It doesn't work anymore.

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I mean, doesn't it depend on which religion? It does. It definitely does. It definitely does. I mean, you have some religions where you get a gang of wives. Woo! That sounds like more trouble than it's worth. Yes. Well, that's the reason why the Mormons moved to Mexico. They moved to Mexico? What do you mean?

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They're not in Utah no more? Listen, when Mitch, what's his name? The fucking guy who ran for president? Mitch McConnell? Oh, Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney. That's why I was fucking up. Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney's dad was born in Mexico. So his dad couldn't be president. But Mitt was born in America. Mitt Romney's family was Mormon. And they moved to Mexico in the 1800s because of religious persecution.

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And part of that was polygamy. They made polygamy illegal. So these guys, well, fuck it. This is like the 1800s. They're like, Mexico ain't no different than America in the 1800s. Before cars, everyone's on a horse. You got a house, whatever. Same shit. Let's go to Mexico. So they went to Mexico. And to this day, they have giant Mormon compounds in Mexico.

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And then recently there was a situation – like they're armed to protect themselves against the cartel. It's like wild shit goes down. And one of – I think it was like a family was killed. I think it might have been an accident. The cartel mistook them for someone else or someone did – and there was like this real problem. Did it get revamped? I don't know what happened.

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I don't remember how the story went down, but I remember it was a big international story. And then everybody was like, wait, what's going on? There's giant camps of armed Mormons in Mexico.

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Like, why did they why did they move to Mexico? And that's why they moved to Mexico, because they have religious freedom.

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Oh, they probably have an app. But, like, that's the story, right? That they were killed by the cartel. I think it was a woman and her child was killed by the cartel. Six children. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Attack on a group of Mormon families in Mexico.

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So nine women, scroll back up, nine women and children from a Mormon community in Mexico were killed while traveling in the three-car caravan south of the U.S.-Mexico border on Monday. Three women and six children, all with dual U.S.-Mexican citizenship, were killed in the attack. Security Minister Alfonso Durazo said in a news conference Tuesday, here's what we know about the attack.

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The victims were all shot while in the vehicles while driving. Investigators believe the three vehicles traveling between the Mexican states of Sonora and Chihuahua were ambushed by criminal groups Monday. Mexican authorities said women and children between 14 years old and 10 months were massacred, burned alive. LeBaron said mothers were screaming for the fire to stop.

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They were driving together for safety reasons, said Kendrick Lee Miller, whose sister-in-law was killed in the attack. The family was supposed to go to Miller's wedding next week in Lemoore, she said.

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So this is one of the reasons why this is the best time ever to kind of revamp healthcare and revamp like the way people think about what is healthy. What is healthy? But how are you going to revamp it in a way that still makes money? Well, it doesn't have to. First of all, you're going to lose money. The country's going to lose money. It's like who's going to get the money?

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I don't think everybody died. Five children who were hospitalized in Tucson will survive, while Jessup, whose son married Donna Langford's daughter, told CNN, Willie Jessup, excuse me, three of the children have very serious injuries, but two others could be discharged soon.

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Well, I don't know. I don't know. They said it was a mistake of mistaken identity. But they always say that.

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Oh, no, no, no. They don't say that. It says it's not clear if the attacks were specifically targeted or if the family was a case of mistaken identity.

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Well, here's what it says. It said Castaneda said there were longstanding tensions between the families and the cartels. He said one of the women killed was an activist and there were frictions over water rights. Oh, Jesus Christ. Scary dog. I mean, it's scary for whoever lived down there.

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Yeah. But imagine living in a place that's controlled by the cartel. Like, you know, the government has its faults in the United States, but it's a superior system.

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Yeah, well, that's because the machine was behind him, right? So he gets into office, and you saw the Mike Johnson guy, the Speaker of the House. He said that he had talked to him. It took a year to have a meeting, and he finally had this meeting with him, and he wanted to talk to him about something. And he said, why did you sign this executive order?

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Venezuela. It's Venezuela? Yeah, they literally imprisoned all the gang members. They just locked every single, even if he was associated. They made these giant prisons and they just filled the prisons up with gang members and the crime just stopped. But that was the immediate effect. Is that still the case now? I don't know. It's a good question. Is that what they're going to do forever?

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They're just going to keep these guys in that cage for the rest of their lives? That's expensive. It is expensive, but is it less expensive than letting them wreak havoc and ruin your entire community? I don't know. It's a very totalitarian thing.

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Well, it also depends on how many of those people were set up, how many of those people weren't actually in a gang, how many of those people were like, maybe somebody doesn't like you.

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Yeah. Crazy. Oh, El Salvador.

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It's El Salvador. Look at that. Oh, my God. They just said, fuck it. We're just going to take crime down to zero. So is this life in prison? Well, you know what, man? I mean, is this better? It seems like it's better than having the criminals run society and kill everybody. I mean, but at least, like, get them on some bicycles, provide them free power or something.

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I mean, what have they done, you know? But also, if you grow up in that community, what are you going to do? Like, if you grow up and your whole family's involved in the gangs, like, what do you do? Like, you're literally guilty by birth, you know? If you grow up in those communities and that's all they've been doing forever, what do you do?

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There's an exchange of money, right? So if a lot of people are sick all the time and a lot of people are on Medicaid and a lot of people are on health insurance, the country's going to spend more money that's going to go to pharmaceutical drug companies, right? But it doesn't have to go there.

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Right. I guess if you have enough money because now you don't have to fight crime anymore. So now everybody's locked up. It's dark. Well, it's just going to be new criminals.

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What could fix the world, Brian Simpson? Is it going to be technology? Is it going to be mushrooms?

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We done.

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We passed the point of no return.

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Because people can exist in small groups together in harmony. Why can't they exist together in large groups in harmony?

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Right, but how many people like that do you know now? You know a lot, right? You know a lot more. Not enough. Yeah, but you know a lot more. And the key is just to try to limit your associations with people who aren't exceptional. Try to be exceptional, first of all, to attract exceptional people. And then kind of, like, encourage other. You've got to surround yourself with people that are cool.

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Like, surround yourself with people that are interesting. Surround yourself with people that are exceptional. It gives you, like, energy in this life. It gives you, like, motivation.

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We can't commit to giving it to them every year just because they've figured out a way to keep getting it. That's dumb. The right way to say is we have to look at the collective money of the country. Wouldn't it be way better if we spent way less on health care because people got healthier because they figured out there's no easy way to do it. You have to have diet and exercise.

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Some new friends are worth making.

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That's interesting you say that because you're very friendly. I don't know why you think you're emotionally unavailable. I think you just don't like to be bothered by nonsense that people could fix on their own. There you go. I'm very easily irritated. Yeah, but you're not emotionally unavailable. When we talk about stuff, everybody talks about stuff in the green room.

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You're one of the most honest people when you talk about things.

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But you've got to realize that's a transactional situation. I know. That's a bad situation. That's not a situation. You haven't surrounded yourself with people that are, like, autonomous.

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There's a lot of people that aren't. They need friends for everything they do, and they can't make decisions. They don't get their shit together.

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That's true. Oh, yeah. And also, you get all these social dynamics at play when there's a bunch of people together.

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It depends. There was this one time, I don't want to say the time, but where there was a bunch of us and a bunch of other people, and it really helped that there was a bunch of us because we all huddled up together.

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Remember that time? Yeah, yeah. Oh, and don't forget, Vegas was great. It was a lot of people at that table then.

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But we knew all those people. Right, right, right. You know, those people were like close friends. It was a good time. It wasn't like there was no social dynamics at play. You know, when we're all hanging out, it's generally just fun. There's no like one person's trying to get to the top. Yeah, comics are different.

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What if Bob starts drinking and gets real loud? Right. You need vegan options. Someone's non-gluten. Gluten-free, please. Do you have a gluten-free menu?

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I know what you mean. I get it. I get it. It's like, you know, when you're a group of people and then one person has a friend that they tell you is cool. Don't worry. Bob's cool.

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Right. Oh, yeah, yeah. Do we come to the? No, I'm good. But that's also like a reflection on your sense of humor because you're always finding things that are stupid in everything. Your act is essentially, let me tell you about some stupid shit.

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Yeah, you think about all these different variables. You know, I used to say that to my students when they would fight because a lot of them that were really smart, I would notice they would be much more nervous than the dumb kids. Martial arts. What do you mean?

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It's the most important foundation for any healthy human being. It doesn't matter what kind of exercise. It probably doesn't even matter what kind of diet as long as you're like committed to eating healthy, real food. The whole thing is just diet and exercise and movement that would fucking cure 70 percent of the problems we have in this country with health care. Because people would be healthy.

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No. No, no, no. I mean, I'd take them to tournaments. So I had students that I would take to tournaments. And the really smart ones would be the most scared. And I would have to tell them, it's because you're smart. The reason why you're scared is because you're aware of all the variables and you know you're vulnerable. Whereas dumb people don't think that.

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They're overconfident and they're not aware of all the variables. But you can overcome this. I'd be like, I did it too. I have the same feeling. I don't want to do it. It's stupid. Why am I doing this? Why am I risking my health? Why am I risking my safety? You have all those thoughts that are going to go in your head, but you're going to learn something about yourself from doing this.

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And you're smart, and that's why you're nervous. And you should be nervous because it'll help you. It'll help you move faster. I used to use Castamato's expression, Castamato, this great thing that he told Mike Tyson. He said, fear is like a fire. It could cook your food if you can control it, or it could burn your house down. That's what it's like. It's like that.

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But the intelligent people are the ones that are aware of it. The intelligent people are the ones that oftentimes struggle the most with overcoming anxiety to compete because they're aware of how fucking dangerous this actually is. They're not blissfully unaware like a moron is walking into a cage fight, not knowing they might get knocked the fuck out. You know, not going to happen to me, bro.

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There's a lot of those not going to happen to me, bro, guys.

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Oh, well, if you're gifted. Right. If you're gifted and if you're genetically gifted, you know, and if you're driven and you really work hard and you enjoy it, yeah, you could get pretty far. You're not going to talk well.

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Yes, there was a few fights where they were real rough. The Dominic Reyes fight was real rough. He got hit a bunch of times in that fight.

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He got caught a few times by Lyoto Machida before he put him to sleep. Lyoto was catching him. He hit him with one big left hand. Rashad Evans clipped him with a big right hand. But for the most part, John is the very best at utilizing distance and also having a strategy.

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Rashad? Yeah. Rashad knocked Chuck Liddell out cold with that punch. Remember? Yeah. Out cold. One shot. Was that the first time Chuck Liddell got knocked out? No. Chuck Liddell had gotten stopped by Rampage and Pride. Okay. And then Chuck Liddell – I mean, he'd been stopped a few times. I mean, like after his rise.

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No, because Rampage stopped him during his rise. Like, Rampage stopped him when the UFC – when he was a champ in the – or maybe he wasn't a champ. He was like –

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the best guy or one like Tito was the champ for a little before Chuck fought Tito and everybody knew that Chuck was going to beat Tito it was one of those things where like this is a bad matchup because Chuck is a really good wrestler and just a ferocious striker ferocious and so aggressive and just nasty power and just would throw himself into the wars throw himself he had an iron chin

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So you just fuck you. He'd just throw himself. And really skillful too, man. Like underrated skills, but just a desire for the firefight that was like nobody else. But Rampage beat him. Rampage stopped him in Pride. So they had an exchange where they were going to send UFC fighters over to Pride to fight the best Pride guys. And Chuck was one of the best UFC guys. And Rampage stopped him.

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And Chuck fought Alistair Overeem, and Alistair Overeem was doing really well, but Alistair— Damn. Chuck stopped Alistair.

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And so then you wouldn't be as susceptible to getting sick. You wouldn't be as susceptible to getting injured. There's a bunch of things that would probably likely stack up financially in our favor. So that's how you make money out of it. You make money out of it because everybody makes more money. You make more money if you're healthy. Make more money if you're active.

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Oh, bro, this was when Chuck was Chuck, right? This was not, like, past his prime Chuck. This was, like, in his prime Chuck. But Rampage was fucking ferocious. He was so good. And Pride had knees to the head on the ground, all this shit. And Rampage eventually, I believe he stopped him with like body shots on the ground, if I remember correctly.

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I remember he just beat him up and then they stopped the fight. I think he just got on top of him at one point in time. It was a grueling fucking fight, though. But I think this is like the end of it right here. He was just beating him down and eventually stopped the fight. So these punches to the face and then just dig into the body.

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I know. And then it looks like he got on top of him. Yeah, he got full mount, and then they stopped the fight. Yeah. That was Rampage in his prime. Rampage in his prime was mother fucker, dude.

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Yeah, Kevin Holland and him had some sort of a disagreement.

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And you're a fighter, like you kind of got that. You got to slide. He's a legend. Rampage is a legend. You know, it's like there's a lot of guys. You know, when you talk about BJ Penn, talk about him with respect.

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Especially like I'll fight you right now, like that kind of shit. Right. That's not a good look, bro.

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Especially the guy, like, paved the way. Like, Rampage was, this was, like, when Rampage fought Chuck, what year was that? Was that, like, 2003? What year was that? I'm going to guess, I'm going to guess 05. Was it 2007?

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Is that what happened? Show that one. Yeah, Rampage knocked out Vanderlei Silva. He lost to Vanderlei Silva twice, though, brutally in Pride. One of the fights was fucking brutal. Brutal, brutal knockout. He got kneed in the face and went through the ropes unconscious. So this is Chuck and Rampage in the UFC. This is when Rampage won the title.

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And, you know, Chuck had already fought him once and got stopped, so he was wary. And this was way past his prime, Chuck, right? No, he was in his prime, man. He was still in his prime. He was the champion. Chuck was the champion at this point in time. But Rampage was fucking good, man. He was fucking good. And just so dangerous. Boom. Boom. And I was saying he's the funniest guy in MMA.

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He's very funny. I actually interviewed him on, I did that UFC show for a while. I forget what it's called. But it was, we hung out together. We rolled. We did jujitsu. Went and got something to eat. But he's very funny, dude. He used to have this crazy monster truck. There it is. Boom.

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If you're in the bed all the time because you have back surgery constantly, or if you've got this and that, you've got a lot of interruptions in your life. They're going to hiccup your career. They're going to hiccup whatever you're trying to accomplish in your life if you're dealing with being sick all the time. So you think if people were healthier, they would deny less people?

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that's how he won the title yeah it was awesome Chuck's confused but you know that's what happens you get knocked out you don't know what the fuck happened You think you're fine. Really? Yeah, you don't know what happened. You get shut off. You're like, what happened?

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Sometimes guys get shut off, and then they dive for the referee's legs, and they think they're still fighting, and they take the referee down. I've seen a dude swinging at the ref. Oh, yeah. They don't know what's happening. I mean, a lot of these guys are on full fight or flight after they get tagged. It's just chaos. They don't know what they're seeing. Referees get hit all the time.

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How are you gonna get Rampage off of Chuck Liddell? I feel like Herb Dean dive at motherfuckers and move them. Herb's a big guy. That's what you want. Or a strong person. He's just gonna ask you politely. Imagine Francis is fighting. How are you going to get Francis off somebody? How are you even going to move him?

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You can't be 125 pounds and refereeing that fight. I thought that was a woman at first. Mark Goddard's good too. He's a big dude. Mark Goddard? Yeah, he's great for those big fights.

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Oh, you've seen Mark. I met Herb Dean. He's one of the best referees. The best referees, I mean, there's quite a few of them that are really, really good. But I always say the gold standard, Herb. He's the gold standard. And Big John, when he was doing it, he was the gold standard. He stopped? Yeah, he does commentary now. John does commentary.

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Well, he's doing it for Bellator, but I think Bellator is now no longer. So he also has a podcast with Josh Thompson.

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I haven't seen him in a while. I think I saw him at a kickboxing event many years later.

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But what did he, what was his fuck up though? He fucked up bad, right? He fucked up a few of them. There's a few of those guys that fucked up a few too many fights, and then you just can't after a while. We need someone reliable. When you've got a guy like Mark Goddard who almost never fucks up, everybody is going to fuck up. They have the second hardest job. The first hardest job is the fighter.

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Second hardest job is the referee. Third hardest job is probably the judge. My job's easy.

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I think if people were healthier, first of all, you would need way less health care. First, that's the number one thing. If people were fit and they took care of themselves, there's a giant part of... If you looked at all of the healthcare issues that we have in this country, there's a giant chunk of it that's connected to diet. It's connected to the standard American diet.

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Yeah, but we miss shit all the time, and we have monitors. At least the judges have monitors now. They didn't used to have monitors. In the early days, we had to fight to get them monitors. We're like, we should be able to show them stuff in the replay that the crowd is seeing. Because sometimes you think a guy got knocked down, but he didn't. He just tripped.

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And it looks like he got knocked down, but really he just got punched on the shoulder and they just fell down. That happened in that fight with Islam Makachev and Moikano. Moikano caught him. with a right hand. It looked like he hit him. We thought he dropped him, but really what happened is he kind of hit him in like the shoulder and they tripped legs together and Islam fell down.

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And then Islam got, we thought he was hurt. So if you were judging that, I mean, Islam finished him in the first round. He subbed him in the first round. So it didn't matter. But if you saw that fight and if that went to the distance and you said, oh my God, he's hurting him. He's rocking him on the feet.

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You would maybe score that round for Moicano when if you saw the replay, you'd go, oh, he didn't rock him. He just slipped. So if you don't have a monitor. Can they hear you all too? No, they shouldn't be able to hear us because maybe we frame it in a way that's different than the way they think it.

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The whole reason to have three different point of views is to have three different expert perspectives. You don't want them hearing what me and DC are saying. Right, right, right, right. You want them like watching the fight. Because if we're on, someone's nuts. And then this guy's like, oh, he definitely is winning. And maybe the people at home are like, fuck you. The other guy was winning.

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There's a few of those fights. Yeah, some were. It's been a while. No, it hasn't. Since there was like a really questionable one. You know what's an interesting one? Not a questionable one. But an interesting one is Marab versus Umar. So Marab, Dwavish Willie, and Umar Nurmagomedov, they go to the distance. Five-round fight. Marab winds up winning the decision. Those are on that same card. Yeah.

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Amazing fight. Amazing fight. Probably the best 135-pound title fight in the history of the sport. It was incredible. It was so well-matched. They went back and forth. Umar apparently broke his hand in the first round, was still throwing it for the whole fight. He wound up taking Murab down, and nobody expected that. He got Murab's back. Yeah.

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He won the first two rounds, and the question is the third round. And so I watched it a couple of times, and me and John Anik and Daniel Cormier have been going back and forth with text about this. I was like, man, that third round is so close. It's so close. I could see judges giving it to Umar. He landed more strikes on the feet. He did get one takedown.

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Murab got a couple takedowns, but he didn't do much with the takedown. But Daniel had a really good point that at the end of it, Merab's was accelerating, and it looked like Umar was starting to get tired. See, I tuned in at that point.

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But at the end of the third round, Umar has Merab's back. He's behind him, and he's controlling him against the cage. And he had wound up taking Merab down at one point in time. So it's like he landed a lot of strikes on the feet. probably did more actual damage, but Marab did take him down more, and Marab was pushing the pace, and Marab did also land shots. It was close.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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It's the third round that's the real close one, because I gave the first two rounds to Umar, And then you get into the third, you're like, ooh, that's the one. That one's close. Because the fourth and the fifth were clearly Marab was coming on strong. Marab was like, it was astonishing, his endurance. Astonishing. His fucking cardiovascular system's off the charts. It was a good-ass fight.

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910.544

It's connected to eating too much calories, garbage food, obesity. All that, it's possible to shift that in a different direction. You just have to change the way people eat. And that, you would see other people getting results and then you would want those results. If you hear RFK Jr. on TV trying to motivate people to do this, And you see him working out.

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9108.475

His cardio is fucking insanity. It's insanity.

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But I would be very happy to see that fight again. Very happy.

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9126.163

Yeah. Like, I never see him get tired. No, he's an animal. Well, he trains like nobody. I mean, his strength and conditioning routines, you can watch them online. They're fucking crazy. Cam Haynes went and trained with him once. So the guy's a maniac. But that's his weapon. Like to have that kind of cardio, that kind of discipline to have that kind of cardio, that work ethic.

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9146.656

It's also the work ethic, man. You have to have that work ethic because he's been doing it for a long time. And to still have that work ethic. That's what I mean. Even the best people in the world, they get tired of it. Yeah, he's not tired of it, man. He's definitely not tired of it. He's still exciting. I mean, Oliveira is one of the best in the world. He had Oliveira hurt in that third round.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

9166.174

He had him hurt. Like he had some moments in that third round where like, holy shit, like this is a real fight. And Oliveira is as good as it gets. He's one of the best submission artists in the history of the sport. And he couldn't get him. Got him in the first fight, though. First fight, he KO'd him, remember? Hit him with that clean left hook. I don't remember.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

9186.574

Chandler had him real hurt in the first round. Rocked on his back, fighting him off in the first round. And then they start in the second round, Chandler moves straight to him, and Oliveira just pieces him up. Oh, yeah, I do remember that. He hit him with a clean left hook.

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9228.387

They tried to say that Errol Spence was damaged because of what Crawford did to him because he was damaged from the car accident. I'm like, maybe. Or maybe Crawford would have done that three years ago. I think he's that good. He's just so skillful. He's so slick. And he's also the best guy in the sport at switch hitting. He'll go from southpaw to orthodox and be just as good and trip you up.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

9250.861

You think he's going to start southpaw, he starts orthodox. You prepare for orthodox, he's fighting southpaw. He feels like he's got you timed better orthodox, he'll switch it up. He's super accurate. Oh. He just knows so much about boxing, about where to be and what's coming.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

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Roy Jones in his prime. It was art. You were watching art. He's piecing up people. It was an art form. Yeah. All right, Brian Simpson. Let's wrap this bitch up. Bring it home.

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Everybody, BS Comedian on Twitter, BS Comedian on Instagram. BrianSimpsonsComedy.com for tour tickets. Netflix special. Live from Mothership. Bam. Streaming right now. That's it. Thank you, brother. Later, man. Bye.

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oh i got a lot of one of the best videos or one of the best bits of all time i love that all right go see it it's on youtube bye

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Like maybe that's the thing you need that takes you from, man, I got to go to the gym one day. Fuck it. I'm going to the gym. This is it. And then if more people do that, there's more healthy people. If there's more healthy people, there's less losers. If there's less losers, the country makes more money. The whole GDP goes up. Everybody, you're going to do better.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

951.808

You're going to do better with whatever you're doing in life if you're healthy. Because health is energy. But how do you make people like? You don't make them do it, but you inspire. And the government has never done that before. Why not try it? Why not try that? Why not try that? Why not try to, like, fucking gaslight people and tell you got to wear a mask in your car or you're going to die?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

96.092

And it had something to do with liquid natural gas. He said, I didn't sign that. He said, yes, you did, sir. You signed it. Can we get it? And so he has the secretary print it up. He brings it in. He had never read it. So he was just signing executive orders that he didn't even know. He didn't know what it was about. He thought it was about research and it was about shutting it down.

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

971.914

Instead of that gaslighting, how about pump them up? They scared the fuck out of everybody with COVID. How about they pump everybody the fuck up with health?

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#2266 - Brian Simpson

987.683

Here's another problem with my theory. Trump. Eats nothing but McDonald's. Drinks Diet Cokes. Sharp as a tack, 78 years old. Like, okay. I don't know what to tell you. If he came back, if he disappeared for like six months and came back just jacked. Jacked. Shaved his head. Did you see him play tennis with Serena Williams? Nah. He took his shoes off. He's playing tennis with Serena Williams.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

10028.211

I saw that one. Yeah, those are fun.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1003.304

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I bet that young man was under 25.

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His brain was mush.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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That's why they send those young boys out to war.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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All piss and vinegar with a non-fully deformed brain.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Non-fully deformed brain. They just fucking take that gun and here's some meth. Let's fucking go.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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It's a little too intense. Don't get in fights, kids. That's our message, right?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Absolutely. I've avoided all of them.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

10171.712

I often think about that with that guy in front of the comedy store.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

10175.213

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, you never punch somebody in the face on the concrete if you can. Like, a good trained fighter probably punching the body. Yeah. Just because they don't want to go to jail forever. One of Kevin James' friends went to jail for like seven years. He was a bouncer at a nightclub in Long Island. Knocked a guy out, the guy falls, hits his head, dies.

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One of the best fucking clubs on earth. That club rules.

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Oh, yeah. I thought about that when I was designing my club. I was almost going to do the seats like she has them when they're all locked down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wendy's the best. Shout out to Wendy. We love her. All right. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Bye, everybody.

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104.85

When I first started, I thought you had to dress like those guys on Evening at the Improv. So I got a blazer and I rolled the sleeves up and I had like a wacky t-shirt that I wore.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1101.775

That's right on a motorcycle, but wasn't he like a karate guy, too Yeah, yeah, I'm not making that up.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1119.943

Look at him.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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He's had a ton of fucking series, those weird series that you flip through in the middle of the night like he's a motorcycle detective or something. It's like there's a bunch of those. How many series? He's one of those guys that always has a series.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

114.793

Yeah, the costume. You have a button on your blazer, some wacky button.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1153.466

Yeah. Does he have the hair anymore? Does he keep the long hair? No, there's no way. Because he's still rocking it like Fabio still rocks it. He's not letting go. Damn. Respect. No, see, he's got short hair. Look at him. Even older with white hair. Handsome as fuck.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1171.948

She fell apart. They all fall apart. That surgery is a crazy way to go because you can't see what you look like. It's like anorexics or bodybuilders. You get dysmorphia. Your brain starts playing tricks on you and you think your lips aren't big enough and your tits aren't big enough and your face is, you know, like there's some skin on the side of your ears.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1190.344

You can pull it back and you tuck this and pull that and my ass would stick out more if they put the implants in and that would probably get me a better, a better guy.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1204.091

Let's find out what they do, because I'm bewildered. So I know that there's an operation where they take fat out of other parts of your body and they stuff it in your ass, and your ass looks like a bag of cheese.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1216.077

Maybe there's good ones. Maybe there's good ones. Maybe I'm being judgmental. There's probably a doctor out there. Hey, I do it under the surface of the fat so that there's always a smooth area on top. Some wizard with a BMW. But at this point, there are good breast implants.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1231.592

Yes, they feel real.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1237.979

Yes. But here's the thing. You are putting something that's similar to breast tissue where breast tissue would be. So with this, your butt is a muscle.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

125.241

It's pretty insane, yeah.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1250.624

You know, it's like muscle and fat. A male? Why'd you say male, Jamie? He's a male. How dare you? What do you mean? Can expect to retain anywhere from 60 to 80% of the fat that is initially transferred into the butt. I like when they say butt like that, I really think they're, you know, professional.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1270.034

You're calling butt surgery?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1277.236

The rest will be reabsorbed by the body over time. The results you see immediately after surgery and in the weeks following are not permanent. Around 90 days post-op, your butt will finally stabilize into its new shape and size. The procedure itself is semi-permanent as opposed to permanent. As your body responds to natural aging process and normal weight fluctuations, so too will your buttocks.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1312.912

No way it's real. Gay? Yeah. Super. How dare you ask that? Imagine if it wasn't a gay guy. Imagine if straight guys start getting BBLs.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1323.182

It has to. There's definitely a guy. It's probably a whole website dedicated to normalizing straight guy BBLs. Daddy makeover. Just lift weights, you fucking pussy.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1337.542

Just go to the gym and do the work. Shut your mouth and stop it with your BBL.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1347.881

Here's the thing. I think there's other ways to do it. This was my question because I know there's an implant as well. Yeah. So there's butt implants, which is kind of even crazier because then you're taking the risk of having something, a foreign object in your ass where everyone's scared to get cancer.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1364.567

Like if you're scared to get cancer, what's the place you're scared to get the cancer the most? Ass cancer. You don't have to shit in a bag, you know? So, like, you're thinking about these plastic things that you've inserted into the muscle tissue surrounding your... What kind of inflammation is going to be caused by that? What about the plastic leaching into your body as you're in the sauna?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1384.349

What the fuck are you doing?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1409.708

Isn't it kind of shocking that no one's figured out a way to make a bigger dick? It's kind of shocking.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1416.632

There's the butt enlargement. Intramuscular buttock implants. Now, when they say buttock, I feel a little bit more comfortable.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1424.694

I feel like these are real pros. So you're going to take those plastic. What are those things made out of, Jamie? Let's find out.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1432.076

They pulled them out of a butt.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1433.697

He's a detransitioner. Okay, so what does it say? Butt augmentation is most commonly performed by fat injections. Well, men can do like women's synthetic. Oh, while men can do like women's synthetic fillers. Oh, synthetic fillers. Oh, boy. And fat injections. They often are less tolerant to the procedures that require multiple treatments and whose effects are more modest.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1466.425

interesting they're often smaller and flatter buttocks are more resistant to augmentation efforts with stronger intergluteal muscles and a thinner subcutaneous fat layer so he's saying i can do it to dudes but it's not going to come out good isn't it crazy that the only real end game of this because like what's the benefit in your life it's more but it's like it's like money it's like ultimately it's like finding someone who's going to like your weird body more

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1496.94

Yeah, these are dudes. That's a dude.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1500.341

Gay as fuck.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1504.243

Maybe it's just, yeah. Solid, ultra-soft silicone buttock implants of 400cc were placed and a layered muscle and incision closure done. No drains were used. His long-term results showed good improvement. Scroll up, please. His buttock size and shape is even probably better in that regard than I thought could occur. Ew. It looks fake. Like there's a lump.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1532.845

There's a lump where you have a tumor in your ass, sir. Like, look, there's like a little ridge where all of a sudden the implant is. That's so weird that I'm staring at this guy's butt so long.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1542.113

It's the same guy. I trust these people.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1546.658

They're buttock people. Why would the internet lie? They wouldn't lie.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1555.339

Yeah, to make it just poke out a little more. And then there's other ones where they thicken it up. They get in there with a mesh and thicken it up. Nice sauce.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

156.522

Yeah. Well, it's almost like their act just got them to a sitcom. That was a real strategy back then. You had an act that could get you to a sitcom. That's all everybody wanted.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1640.557

And his dick is just inches from your face.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1650.485

That's a weird look. Just getting in there. And then here. I'm going to move my face six inches from your dick, but don't worry. I went to school. A doctor looking up at you? Do you like that? You see the framed diploma? This is fine. This is fine.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1670.886

What does your dick taste like? I wonder.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1685.745

It's hard to believe. You know, I went down a deep dive looking at doctors who use their own sperm in fertility clinics. I was researching this one case. I was just, you know, I just wanted to find out like, God, how did this guy, how'd they catch him? What happened? Then I found there's like hundreds of cases.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

17.365

Yeah, buddy. What's happening? Hell yeah. You went with the three nose rings now. You're getting crazy.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1704.612

There's hundreds of cases. There's hundreds of cases of doctors doing this. There's doctors using their own sperm and then people finding out on 23andMe because it's like fucking everybody in the neighborhood is related. It's just their kink?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1718.881

It's just such a crazy thing. There's so many fucking psychos out there.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1727.566

I had this guy on yesterday that spent 25 years as an undercover FBI guy that infiltrated biker gangs and neo-Nazis and bro. You talk to a guy like that and you start really wondering, where's the good in the world? How many creeps are there? How many really fucking psychotic people are out there organizing right now in the world?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1763.372

Yeah, exactly and this guy is Look at him. I'm sure you picture. I'm just a big fucking giant dude Yeah with a goatee and pulled back hair and tattoos all over his arms so he like blended right in with all these psychos and

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1807.153

I swore at this point I thought you were never going to ask. I think that was like a dumb thing they made up for TV shows. You know? And then everybody thought it was real. It was like some dumb plot point.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1820.159

Right, because the good guy who was the cop always had to be honest.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1824.461

He was never lying. This guy, he was telling me about he had to do cocaine with these people. They had to beat people up. And he's like, if shit went down, man, I had to be a part of it.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1840.267

Bro, this guy got busted wearing a wire and got away with it. Really? They didn't find the wire. No shit. They came that close. He said they were inches away. They were rubbing his clothes, like checking all his clothes. He said they were inches away, but he was like arguing with them. I can't fucking believe you guys, like that kind of shit.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1870.964

I'm that guy. I am your brother.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1891.258

Well, he was not doing things that were anywhere near his home.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1895.682

He would go away for long stretches at a time and go back and forth, and he had all these reasons for doing so, different businesses that he did that he was involved with.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1910.437

Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. That's one of the more fascinating parts about it. It was like he, this guy that he had to put in jail, he's like, that guy was like my friend. He's like, we finished each other's sentences. We were just like each other. Other than the fact that he was a criminal and I was an FBI agent.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1924.988

And I was like, do you think that you could have gone down that road if you had the wrong life? It's like abso-fucking-lutely, man. Abso-fucking-lutely.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1931.732

All of us could have. I go, that's what I think too. I think.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1938.049

He got in with the wrong crowd. He was a regular guy with good intentions. Next thing you know, he's shooting women. Super normal in a 90-minute arc of a film.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1949.757

How does he cheat? Unless he's the star of the film where they follow him every step of the way.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

1970.369

Oh my God. Oh my God. Rappaport does a really good job of complaining about things. He's always got something that he's fucking screaming and yelling about.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2000.259

In that scene, but to his credit, that was the 90s.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2003.661

Nobody knew better back then.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2018.267

Was he in Do the Right Thing?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2023.186

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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You remember those things? Where you would just start talking shit about people?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Thank you.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2756.918

P That's hilarious. It's hard to feel like.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2828.487

No, people don't intimidate me anymore. They inspire me. Some people are fascinating. They inspire me.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2847.478

I used to be like that on Opie and Anthony.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2850.52

Yeah, when I go on Opie and Anthony and they'd have famous guests there, I'd be like, holy shit, that's this guy. Holy shit, that's that guy.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2865.45

I met Ace Frehley when I was a little kid.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2867.932

Yeah, my uncle was an artist, and he was working for this advertising agency in New York City where they made album covers. So they made album covers for Kiss. So my uncle was one of the artists that made the album covers for a lot of the Kiss albums.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2885.482

Yeah, so I was in his office hanging out with him during the day. I was probably eight or something like that. I was fucking young, man. And maybe I was a little older than that. I can't remember. It's hard to remember. But I was a little kid. It was pre-high school. And this guy walks in with long hair, looks weird. Just like a weird dude. And he made some weird noise. It was real strange.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2910.478

And then everybody goes, hey, Ace. Hey, Ace. And I was like, what? That's Ace Frehley with no makeup on? This is crazy. And he signed a napkin for me.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2924.174

Yeah. Well, no, I don't think I have it anymore. Maybe my mom might have it. I'll ask her. I doubt it. It got lost somewhere. But it was the craziest thing. I was like, wow, that's the famous guy with no makeup. Because everywhere they went, people were paparazzi. We were always trying to catch them. You know, like Gene Simmons would wear like a bandit's mask.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

294.175

They just decided that Aunt Jemima was racist. Uncle Ben. But that's true, right? I mean, this is not a TikTok myth, is it? Make sure that's true. I might have got fooled by TikTok. I should say Reels, because I'm not really on TikTok. Which part? Whether or not Aunt Jemima was a real entrepreneur, I'm pretty sure it's true. I think it's based on a real woman.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2941.862

And they were always trying to catch them without their makeup on.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2947.965

Not really.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2948.946

Honestly, no. No, there's not like, no, no.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

2968.811

I met him. He's very interesting. He's an artist. If you think of some of the songs he's made, like Beautiful People, you don't make that unless you're out of your fucking mind. That's part of the package. You want brilliant, fucking wild music, you gotta get a dude who's out of his fucking mind.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3009.554

They're not the same guys. You know, that's part of the problem. And then also part of the problem is I went to see Guns N' Roses in Athens. I saw them in Greece. It was just a total coincidence. I was there with my family, and I ran into Axl Rose at a restaurant. This is more recent? Real recent. Okay. Last summer. Yeah, like last summer, the summer before last. Summer before last, I guess.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3029.973

And, you know, it's one of those weird moments. God, I hope he knows who I am. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm gonna go say hi, I'm gonna be a dick. And this is after my friend tried to say hi to him and he got shooed away. So I went over to his table and he was like, oh, hey man, what's up? I'm like, whew. He goes, really nice to meet you, I'm a huge fan of this thing.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3047.584

He goes, we're doing a concert here tomorrow night, you wanna see it? I'm like, fuck yeah. And so my whole family went to see Guns N' Roses. We were backstage watching. It was amazing. Three-hour performance. These guys are in their 60s. Yeah, yeah. They're fucking rocking hard.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3059.234

Three hours. But the thing is, they have so many hits. If you want them to do all the songs you love, it's going to take a long time. And if they're going to add new songs...

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3081.027

Dude, Welcome to the Jungle, to this day, I'll hear that song and go, God damn, that was a fucking good song.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3121.594

I remember being right out of high school at the gym lifting weights the first time I heard it. They were, you know, at the gym, everybody would just play what's on the radio, you know, WCOZ. And we were listening to the, I think it was WBCN, the Rock of Boston. Appetite for Destruction, 87. Yep. So that was two years out of high school.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3158.912

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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317.882

And I think she just was like an awesome cook and put together some...

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3177.981

When did Motley Crue come out with Kickstart My Heart? That's probably 86. That was my favorite workout song of all time.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3201.272

Like again, but like again, you don't get to be Jim Carrey unless you're out of your fucking mind.

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3207.995

You don't get to be that guy. You don't get to be Fire Marshal Bill unless you're out of your fucking mind.

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323.585

Some great pancakes.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3235.399

Apparently he would go nutty if he fucked a scene up and smashed things.

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3252.466

rude to interviewers and stuff like that like strange well i think when you're trying to get into a character there's like a thing that the some of these guys do where they are just that guy the whole time like when when who was it that played lincoln

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3269.571

Daniel Day-Lewis, right? Yeah. So when Daniel Day-Lewis was playing Lincoln, he was apparently Lincoln.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3274.874

All day long, all the time.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

328.329

Oh, so her name wasn't Jemima?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3283.718

Right, you got to go full old school.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3290.501

You, a bowl of gruel. Some deer jerky. Yeah, like, and no teeth, no toothbrushes. Yeah. We haven't figured out toothbrushes yet. When did they figure out toothbrushes? That's a good question. Like, when did people start brushing their nasty fucking teeth? Imagine what breath smelled like in, like, the 1500s.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3316.843

Like Peaky Blinders. What do their apples smell like?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

333.933

You could tell me that's... Oh, boy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3336.705

What did people smell like back then?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3342.567

By the way, they probably smelled better than the people living in the cities. The people living in the cities were all just using public outhouses. The cities were filled with shit from horses. It's like, oh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3357.172

You're tracking shit everywhere. And so is your dog, and so are your cats. Everyone's tracking shit all over your house, all over your tables. There's shit everywhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3368.122

Oh, shit. And just little scabs of shit everywhere. There's just shit everywhere you go, and everyone has smallpox.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3382.568

That's why anybody talking about the good old days, shut your stupid mouth. This is the good old days.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3389.214

Yeah, books and medicine and shit. What the fuck are you talking about? Oh, I wish I lived back in the 1600s when I died if I broke my ankle.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

339.058

Look at this. Eyes in town, honey. Okay, all arguments are out the window. Eyes in town, honey. Okay, unless you are an actual black person saying that, you can't write that down. Like, you know that was some fucking egghead advertising executive to put that together.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3405.938

Well, you can't go anywhere. Then you can't make it like a hybrid deal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3424.224

We were all real confused.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3431.549

And you knew how to get cocaine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3439.335

Yeah, that used to be a thing. You see a guy with a long pinky. That long pinky nail was like, oh, that guy parties. That was like when there was a bad guy in the movie, he had a long pinky.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3448.344

Yeah. Which is so gross. That's so disgusting. That's how bad people want cocaine. They'll snort it off some dude's stinky fucking fingernail.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

35.977

There's something weird when you're fighting age. Like, you know you're doing it, but you can't help it.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3549.648

Now, is he an actual narcoleptic, or does he have severe sleep apnea? Because if he's a big, fat guy, he's probably never rested.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3561.372

What is narcolepsy from? Do healthy people have narcolepsy? Is there any athletes that have narcolepsy?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3570.657

He's another guy who's big and fat. That's the thing, I'm wondering.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3587.383

The wife of the bunny house yeah, I don't know why I was so celebrated I know it's like it's legal but like it was don't see his personality is kind of skeevy as shit well there was a weird time where for whatever reason they were kind of celebrating pimps and Prostitutes like you remember pimps up hose down sure yeah, I mean that was like a famous documentary mr.. White folks yeah

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3610.916

He was the best. Yeah, I watched all those. But they were like celebrated. And then there was American Pimp. Remember that film?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3631.309

It was weird, though, because it was the exploiters of those women.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3661.681

That's crazy, right? Like Girls Gone Wild. That's how, when the internet wasn't around, you could buy tapes of drunk girls at the bar flashing their boobs.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3669.666

And you'd pay for it.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

367.314

I, apostrophe S.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3671.287

You'd pay for it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3672.928

And it had like a production value.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3691.259

Oh, Columbia House for titties.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3700.844

Did they get in your credit? Columbia House got in your credit?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3708.769

But it doesn't ever really affect your credit. What was the checks and balances on that? I always thought that that was a fluff up scheme for the record business where they could say they sold more records than they did.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3720.685

Kind of a good move if you want to get a gold record or a platinum record. Sell as many as you can.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3730.156

I'm willing to give you a penny.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3739.244

It was the dumbest concept ever. You give them one penny, and if you give them one penny, they give you a bunch of CDs, and you're supposed to give them money. You get to pick them.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3750.467

ACDC.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3772.23

Yep.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3773.652

And you send it in and all of a sudden you get cassette tapes are in the mail. Oh boy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3778.739

Oh boy. It was so great. But isn't it a smart move on their part because it probably introduced people to a lot of music. Because if you think about it, you're only listening to the radio. The radio is only playing what they play, and they can only play so many songs, right? And if there's a hit, they're going to play that hit over and over again.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3794.443

You can hear this, and there's Rolling Stones, there's Led Zeppelin. You don't have a lot of time for other music.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3801.305

So this is a good way, even if you're giving it away to people, which mostly are. Like what percentage, let's find this out. What percentage of people actually paid for their Columbia record and tapes?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3819.604

I don't remember them chasing me at all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3837.636

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3839.997

Right. What percentage of people paid them?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3845.98

But if you think about just that, that's almost like more radio, right? You're putting the song on the radio for free. You're sending out these cassettes, even if people don't pay. That music's getting out there. They're going to maybe buy another Rolling Stones record or tickets to see the Rolling Stones.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3880.568

Yeah, but there wasn't taking away for the money of the recording because you couldn't, you know, like it wasn't that many people doing it. When it became something you could just download onto your computer, that got weird. And then record sales dropped off a cliff. So they were right. But they were wrong that you can stop it. You couldn't stop it.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3900.875

They were trying to put fingers into a broken dam. There's no way. You've got to get the buck out of the way. Once it's on the internet, when things are on the internet, you can't say it's stealing to download it to your fans. You just got to realize, oh, the world just changed.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

399.373

That's right. You know what's like the most crazy racist shit that caught me off guard was R. Crumb. Yeah. You know R. Crumb? The like 70s sort of psychedelic comic book guy. He was very popular when I was a kid living in San Francisco and when I was an artist. And I was like, I used to love his stuff because I was like, God, this guy's so weird.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

3997.044

Yeah, that's a weird business acumen to have but I'm also but it probably effective I'm

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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The Joe Rogan Experience.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4048.079

You're like. Oh my god. I can't believe I'm making this much money But if I did this then I make even more

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4071.639

You only have so much bandwidth.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4073.66

And this is what I think people fail to think about. Like you require time to do everything. Your time is limited. Like you really have to think if you, oh, I could fit it in. Oh, I could do this. Oh, I could do that. Sure you can. But then there's no you time at all. And then you're running on fumes. And when there's no you time and you're running on fumes, you're not the best version of yourself.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4095.206

No. So you got to know like where you're at. You got to know where you're at like in terms of like your sanity. Like if you're working all the time, five different jobs constantly and you're never home, you sleep till fucking 7 in the morning and then you're up gone all day and fucking going, going, going, going, going, going, going. You don't have alone time.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4117.768

If you don't have alone time, you don't even know how you feel about things.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4145.67

Well, it's because what you do, you love. And it's fun. That's the thing. Like if you're doing something all day long and it's just like business stuff and it's just for money and it's not something you love, that's a different vibe, right? That's like a hustle vibe. I'm going to get these numbers up and get this going and I'm a fucking, I'm a worker and I'm a grinder.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4167.975

But as if it's a virtue. I always try to say this is a very important thing that people need to hear. Just because it's hard to do doesn't mean it's good to do. There's a lot of things that are hard to do that you don't necessarily want to do. I don't want to climb Mount Everest. It's hard to do. But doesn't mean it's good to do.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4186.003

It might be good to do for you because you need to prove to yourself that you can do this extremely difficult thing, but people are dead. There's a bunch of dead bodies up there. That's not a good thing to do. To me, in my opinion. There's a lot of stuff like that in life. And just because you can do things, I'll show everybody that I work harder than everybody else. Maybe you shouldn't. Sure.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

420.045

And then I saw some of the like the super racist ones and you're like, yo, what the fuck?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4205.877

You need balance. You need balance in this life. And that's hard to get once you start when you start making money. The big fear is what if it all goes away? You start clutching. You start you start having famine instincts like, oh, my God, what if it all goes away? So they start doing things that you think will ensure that it doesn't go away.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4228.833

Yes.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4289.879

They're kids. Right. Yeah, right? And when you're a kid, $100 is real, so it's real to him. Oh, shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4297.584

So it's like real money. It's like, oh, $100 gig in town? Great.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4302.367

And so he doesn't know any better yet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4314.035

Well, I think he's just letting you know he'll give you something.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4317.838

Oh, great.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

433.397

He had some just weird shit, man. Like he like riding on giant women. You ever see the documentary they did on him?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4345.151

And for some of them, it's the first time they've ever gone on stage. There were some guys, the first time they ever went on stage, they went on stage in Madison Square Garden. Yeah, that's fucking crazy. 16,000 people and they followed dice. What are you talking about?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4365.844

You barely can get to the one minute mark. What you practice in the mirror is just everything's falling apart.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4400.68

That's confidence from a lot of big sets. A lot of sets where you're killed, so you're like, I know I'm good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

441.783

It's very interesting. It's because his brother is super weird and his mother is super weird. And, you know, here's this guy like wearing a tie and he's real pervert. And he's like openly a pervert, but like a brilliant artist.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4419.775

Well, here's the thing, too. You're going to run into a jazz crowd every now and then. You know? Sure. Like, when you go to see music, you go to see a band. You go to see rock and roll. You go to whatever club you're going to go. You go to the whiskey. It's a rock band. You know, we know we're going to go see this blues guy. We know we're going to see a country guy. You go see comedy.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4440.046

You could get... Taylor Swift. You can get ACDC. You can get anything. You can get all kinds of shit. You can get the Pixies. You can get all kinds of shit when you go see comedy. There's so many different styles. To call it one thing is kind of weird. And you could be a rock and roll guy, and you're on stage in front of a jazz crowd.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4458.691

And they don't want your bullshit. They don't like how loud you're being. Why are you moving so much? We're here to snicker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

457.253

I feel like fascinating.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4596.274

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4599.436

Yeah, you shouldn't be on that show.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4608.464

But then there's another argument where you got to kind of do all kinds of crowds. Of course. Because if you only do your own crowd, like one of the things that happens to guys is they start doing theaters and they do real well and then they bring a lame opening act and then they're only playing to their crowd. Oh, yeah. And you see the drop off. You see this like weird creativity drop off.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4628.273

You see the weird impact. They're not killing as hard. Everything's a little fake and forced. And it's pretty noticeable and normal. It's like normal. It happens a lot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4641.542

You got to mix it up. You have to be doing little rooms sometimes. I think it's like if you're an athlete, you have to lift weights. You know what I mean? I think there's something to that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4655.737

I mean, uh, but I mean just different sizes too, right? Like, Oh yeah, without a doubt. Yeah. Sometimes like one of the great things about the store was like, you could come in there on an off night, like a Tuesday night and do like a 1am set. And when you're doing a 1am set, there's like 25 fucking people in the room and you, you just like, you get to, and they've seen everything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4676.173

They've seen five hours of fucking standup. They came from Kansas. They've seen five hours of comedy and most of the audience is gone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4734.299

Right. Well, that's the problem with some clubs that have restrictions on what you could say on the stage. No, no, no. You just can't book this guy. There's a club. Where is it? Is it in Portland or Seattle? There's some club that these guys got to, Duncan got to, and he sent me a photo of a list of all the things that you can talk about.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4756.629

At this club, we don't tolerate racism, sexism, transphobia.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4763.152

I don't know what it is. We probably don't even need to say the name. Oh, I don't know the name of the- Get these people in trouble.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

477.817

Oh, jeez.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4771.276

Know what the fuck they do, and don't book anybody that's not you. If you have a specific crowd you're trying to cater to, that's your prerogative. No problem with that. Sure. Just book the comedians that fit. Don't have a list of shit someone can't say once they get there. That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4809.217

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4810.678

Well, you're a guy that's very flexible on stage, which is just a huge benefit. You can always fuck around with people and engage with the crowd. Like, you're so good at it. You're one of the best in the business at it for sure. You're really good at it. But it's also fun and jovial. You know how to tie it all together.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4827.029

That's a giant skill if you're doing a bunch of different kinds of rooms and different kinds of places. But when a club owner or someone says that you can't breach certain topics – because that's what you're saying. If you're saying we don't tolerate racism – Listen, I don't either, but that's not what jokes are.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4845.069

And there's a way to touch on race that a super ultra sensitive person would say is racism. And another person who's more objective would say, no, this is just making fun of the differences we all have and how crazy it is that we would think that anyone is superior to the others. There's ways to do that. And to say that, you know, that's racism, we don't tolerate racism.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4867.114

Like, well, what do you call it? So you can't just define what – you can't define hate speech because that's your definition. You force me to go with your definition.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4880.06

It can't. So you just got to let people speak freely, and then you decide who you book or don't book, but know what the fuck they do. That's part of your job. Part of your job as someone who books a fucking theater is, okay, if you have a theater, you own the theater, you don't want anybody performing that doesn't – meet your expectations, that's great.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

490.984

Yeah, you have a lot of choices. You could have puppies, flowers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

4964.77

That was unfortunate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5062.913

Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5150.293

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5366.897

Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5401.806

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

552.941

Is that when the brain's fully formed? Yeah, when you're a boy. Women mature younger, but when you're a boy, your brain is fully formed at 25 when you're able to make solid decisions.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

566.287

Very few swastikas.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

568.749

What are the numbers of swastikas on girls versus on dudes? If we could Google that, please. What percentage?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5721.877

What year did you come along?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5745.613

98?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5747.154

Yeah. Okay, and then there's Friends, which kept going a little while longer, right? You know, and then there was like Caroline and the City. There was like all these shows that everybody was like...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5765.367

that was the goal the goal was to get on a show and everybody wanted and everybody got a network deal and they were handing out deals where you would get like a couple hundred grand you didn't have to do anything and they never even made a show and then you get another deal next year there's a bunch of guys who were always having deals and that a lot of those people when i got in the comedy i'd see those people like chest out at the comic strip oh yeah and stuff but then but then

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5795.378

Yeah. Oh, they were convinced it was going to go. They would tell you, like, I got a million dollar backup deal and this and that. So they have to do my show. It's going to be on the air. You should play my brother.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5805.868

Well, you see people getting really weird and acting like they're special before they're even famous.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5812.11

You didn't even get on the launching pad yet, and you're already acting like a fucking crazy person.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5866.362

It's real hard They saw a lot of guys during the writer's strike tried to do it again because there's a few of those guys that are really good that are just writers and they become they become trapped in that velvet prison of getting that, you know, you make good money and

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

587.384

Yes, I remember that movie. That movie was crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5882.472

You got a great health plan, you know, you got a nice house, got a mortgage, maybe start having kids and you're not really a comic anymore. Now you're working on a sitcom or you're writing. And the problem is you don't have a backup plan anymore because you can't just go on the road anymore because you don't have a fucking audience.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5898.419

So all those other guys that you came up with that kept their comedy up during that whole time, those guys can still tour. Like, Fitzsimmons was very smart about it. Like, Fitzsimmons did a lot of writing gigs, but he never stopped doing stand-up. He never stopped doing stand-up. And he always kept getting better. And so, like, when writer strikes and things like that happen, Greg's fine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5917.643

Like, he sells out all over the country. He doesn't have to worry about it. But it's because he's smart and because he, like, saw the writing on the wall. Like, I'm not falling into this trap.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5935.153

No, news radio was really fun. It was really fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

5939.597

It was really fun. It was a real fun environment. We had a good time. The writers were amazing. It was like perfect best case scenario for a sitcom. And it was the second sitcom I was on. The first one I was on was like worst case scenario. Not worst, but started off great. It was on a show called Hardball with Jim Brewer. Jim Brewer, he played one of the rival mascots, and he gets beat up.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Jim was so funny. It was so funny. It was a real funny pilot, and it was written by these guys who worked on Married With Children, and they worked on The Simpsons. They were really funny writers, Jeff Martin and Kevin Curran. And these guys put together this really funny show, and then the networks just... Get up. They just jizzed into the soup. It was a mess.

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They brought in a bunch of people that shouldn't have been there, and the show fell apart. But I got to watch these brilliant, really funny guys get their work just shit all over by the network and have it fall apart and become just a joke.

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Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Big J.

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But one thing that I did do for sure is I neglected my stand-up for a few years. When I was doing news radio all the time, the problem was in news radio in the early days, they were really long hours. Because we were trying to figure the show out. And, you know, there was a lot of network notes back in those days. And, you know, the network was really behind it, but it wasn't owned by NBC.

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It was produced by Brillstein Gray. So, you know, if you wanted to be on the good slots, right? So what Paul Sims would call, Paul Sims is the creator of news radio, would call it the shit sandwich. So you'd have friends and married with children, and in between you'd have kind of caca sitcoms. It's like a shit sandwich.

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We got in those spots occasionally, and every time we did, we were like number two in the country, number three or something. But then we'd drop down to like number 80, because we got moved like nine different times over five years. Nine times over five years. So the show didn't really become successful until it went into syndication. Nice. So it was one of those weird things, but...

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I auditioned for two shows ever. I auditioned for that hardball show. I got that. That got canceled. And I auditioned for news radio. That was it. It was the nuttiest thing of all time. So I didn't want it. It just happened. So it wasn't something like it was my golden carrot. My golden carrot was just I wanted to be a professional comic.

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And then as I was barely making money as a professional comic, barely surviving, all of a sudden they're like, we'll pay you $25,000 a week. I was like, what do I have to do? Well, they got to act? Okay, now I'm acting. And I would have moved back to New York 100% if I didn't get an apartment. So I signed a one-year lease on this apartment in North Hollywood.

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Why not? Who gives a shit?

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And so I was staying, and I was like, oh, I got to stay. Because I wanted to just go back to New York and play pool and hang out with my friends. I didn't like it in L.A. It wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't like being around actors. And it was hard to make friends with some of the comedians, and the comedy store was weird back then.

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So I was like, I was ready to go back to New York, and I had this fucking lease. So I was like, I can't break the lease. I don't have that kind of money. I've got to keep this lease going. So I stayed there, and then I got news radio, like right afterwards.

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If you get it, it's extra money. Sure. But then once you get all the extra money, you don't have to really do that anymore. And that's when you got to decide. Like what do you, like one of the things that I had to decide after I did Fear Factor, I was like, okay, no more of that, please.

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Yeah.

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And I did it one more time. I did it one more time when in 2011, Fear Factor came back for a brief amount of time. And that's when they made people drink Chiz. That's what I got canceled forever. Until Ludacris came back and did it on MTV.

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They toned it down back then. But it was just like there's a different thing that's happening when you're doing something just for money. You know, you're just like, okay, it's worth it. It's worth it for this amount of money. And then you got to know what to do with that money. You got to plan your escape.

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When did that movie come out?

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Not then she wasn't.

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Was she really 50 back then? Yeah. God, six years ago. She's not 56. She was 19. Okay.

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Is she really? Whoa, that's crazy.

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Bro, what is she doing?

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That's incredible. Good for her.

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Did you?

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Oh, you did? Yeah. How bad?

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Yeah, you can't have a diva roll her eyes at you. That'll fuck your confidence up. No matter who you are.

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Jennifer Lopez rolls her eyes at you.

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How does she look so good?

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It's pretty extraordinary.

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Right, but it's like, think of her beauty and then that other lady that you said that did a bunch of shit to her face. Probably the same age, right?

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Isn't that crazy?

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I was almost going to get it removed.

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You don't have to. It's one of those things where it's like you want to celebrate people that don't care. Like, yeah, you go. But also, yikes. Yeah. It's also yikes. It's always lies, too, by the way. She's lost 100 pounds. Well, also remember when she was accused of fat shaming all the girls that she worked with and making hookers.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Yeah, whatever. Whatever was going down. Whatever she was accused of. I don't know if it was real. But it's like the Chris Farley thing. I never would have imagined that he hated doing that.

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Are you basing this on conversations that you've had with people that know him?

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I met him once when he was in the throes of it.

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Yeah, there's a couple of people that I met where their skin looked like wet cardboard. Ugh. Like it was the consistency of wet, like gray cardboard. Yeah. Like sweaty gray cardboard. So he was on the set hanging out. There was always like a lot of fun people that were on the set that you got to meet. And he wasn't working on the show. He was just there to hang out. And so...

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The song would have been, everybody would have been so mad. Can you imagine if you cheesed it up just at the end? Like you have this brilliant movie, and at the end, just total cheeseball, curveball ending.

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Ran into him like during the craft service table area, and he was just looked terrible and I don't know like what year did he die I Think late 90s also So this was around 97 ish somewhere around then so news radio was 94 to 99 and

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That's when he died. Thirty three. So it might have been the year he died. Yeah. Because he looked like hell. He looked like he was just so sweaty and so gray. He just looked fucked up. The one other time there was a dude that I ran into at the improv and he couldn't form sentences. He had like the same gray skin and he was talking to me, but nothing made sense.

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But he just kept talking and he couldn't form sentences. And I was like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen.

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You're hanging around with people at a bar, and you're so gacked up, you can't even form a sentence.

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I didn't know they were calling me Sorry everybody, but also you're doing sets multiple times at night. You're doing multiple sets a week You're so comfortable being on stage. It's not like action right you know you're Lincoln go yeah, and

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It's hard to imagine him being even angry. He was talking to me about somebody who ripped off one of his jokes, and even that, the way he's talking about the guy ripping off his joke and confronting him about ripping off the joke, it's still... Pleasant? He's being silly.

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He's being silly and laughing about it. I'm like, wow.

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Great demeanor. So that's like a glass is always half full guy. He's fine with doing a little acting here and there, but what he wants to do is stand-up. He's a great stand-up.

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Well, it's you don't have to do all that other stuff. And the thing is, like back in the 90s, we all thought we had to do that other stuff. I would have never imagined like quitting a TV show just so I could do stand up on the road. First of all, you needed the TV show so people would come to see you. That was a big thing.

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Back then, people came to see you if you were on The Tonight Show or if you had an HBO special or if you had a sitcom.

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Just organic. And got to theaters. Yep, huge theaters. It sells out instantly just because he's so good.

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Christian comedy is a tough sell.

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There is a market for it. I remember there was a bunch of people that went into Christian comedy. There was like a Christian comedy tour back in like, yeah, it was terrible, it was terrible.

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But it was like the most aw shuck stupid shit about like the guy's dumb and my wife always tells me I'm dumb and she's right.

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Boys in the Hood?

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Hilarious and squeaky clean. Yeah. And you can throw him on anywhere in a lineup.

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Gaffigan's been killing it forever. Squeaky clean. You know, there's a market. Like, again...

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That's hilarious.

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Here's the other thing about comedy. Like, You should be funny first. If you want to do all that other stuff too. But if you want to do all that other stuff and you call it comedy, but it's not funny. Like you're doing something where you're just trying to educate people. Hey, you missed the whole mark of this whole thing. And to say that that's the most important thing.

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The only people that would say that. Our people aren't funny. That's it. That's the only people that would ever think that the most important thing is to move social justice forward with your comedy.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Listen, you could be as social justice-y as you want. You could talk to your phone. You could make long rants on reels. You could do podcasts. You could do whatever you want. Talk about issues. But when you're on stage, what you're supposed to be doing is be funny. Now, if you can be funny with some sort of grand message that makes everybody Bill Hicks clap at you, that's great.

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But that's not the goal. The goal is to just be funny. And if that's your goal, you want to be funny with a social justice, great. Nothing wrong with it. But you got to be funny. You can't, like, fake it and get clapped-er.

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Remember guys would do this when they were bombing? Hey, how about a nice round of applause for the ladies? Give a round of applause for all the ladies in the crowd.

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Yeah, they'd get claps, yes, yes. And then it was positive energy.

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Yeah, if you get a few, oh, God.

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And then if you're laughing genuinely, maybe people will start smiling. Yeah, it's a fucking weird art form, dude. But, you know, kudos to you for just doing that. Because that's the way to do it. And then Legion of Skanks, too. Like, what Lewis and you guys and Dave, what you guys have done is so interesting because you did it all without ever worrying about being, like, removed from YouTube.

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You know, because you did it all on his network, on Gas Digital.

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Yeah, because it limits your reach a little bit, but over time people figure it out. That's why Skank Fest is so fucking huge. Skank Fest is nuts, dude.

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I should have got in when I could have done it. Now it seems like there's too many people. I'm getting anxiety.

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But it's amazing how it's such a celebration of people just being stupid and having fun.

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No pretense.

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don't even know it's like they're comedy fans they're not just like our fans right exclusively they're also fans of people that are willing to do real comedy in this fucking bizarre world where you're being told that the most important thing is for you to do social justice on stage which i shouldn't say that's the world now because that it's not it was the world like four years ago

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Four years ago, you heard that a lot. Oh, yeah. And that's kind of died off. And there was a bunch of things that killed that, but I think the real nail in the coffin, the final one, was the Tom Brady roast.

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I think that was the grand nail in the coffin of woke comedy.

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That's the fuck you, you're not funny person in the crowd. There's always gonna be a percentage of them. It's an unavoidable aspect of human nature. There's a bunch of people that don't do anything, can't contribute, and wanna knock down everything they see in front of them.

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There's a bunch of people that were born with amazing genetics that just have this superiority over everybody that they believe is real, And they, you know, especially if you're pretty and everybody wants to fuck you and you think you could yell at anything at the guy on stage.

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Maybe you hate men because your ex-boyfriend's a piece of shit and you've had a couple of cocktails and fuck him and fuck this guy. Don't fucking say women can't do it. I'm going to try to break down.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Well, that's the best. I had a lady heckle me once where I was trying to explain. I was doing this bit about I had a bit about the guy who broke into the White House because this guy, some fucking maniac broke into the White House. He just hopped the fence, ran across the lawn and broke in. And there was a lady guarding the front door and he smacked her to the ground, just ran through.

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And he got tackled by an off duty Secret Service guy. It was like getting a cup of coffee and sees this fucking guy running through the White House and he tackles him. And the joke was about a woman being a security guard at the White House. And the joke was supposed to be, I know because guess what? I shouldn't be a security guard at the White House. I go, and you know how I know?

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Because I met Shaquille O'Neal and his dick is where my face is. It's like if the White House is experiencing a shack attack, I'm the wrong dude to save the world. You know shit. So the whole joke was about that, and I couldn't get it out because this lady's like, bullshit, bullshit. So the joke was women can't do everything men can do because men can't do everything men can do.

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That's why we have the Olympics. There's some people that can just do shit that regular people can't do. And one of those things is guarding the fucking White House. I'm like, you should be a big fucking giant dude who's capable of extreme violence. But this bitch wouldn't let me get this out. She's like, and I tried to explain to her, this is how the joke goes.

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And then I went further into the joke and she chimed in again. I explained the joke and then she was like, okay. I'm like, yeah, I'm saying I can't do it.

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Well, they have to grab their guns.

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That's the thing. If you're a small woman and a naked guy is coming your way and you don't know how to fight and you have a gun, you're grabbing your gun.

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What's the problem?

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Yeah, I mean, I would like to say that women could do everything men can do. But I think in that circumstance, you'd probably want a big man. Field police work? That's crazy. You're dealing... One of the scariest videos that I ever saw was this guy. This lady pulled him over on the highway and the guy gets out and he's...

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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As long as you're still funny, you can pull it off. But when you're bombing with red hair and three nose rings. Shit, that's true. It becomes an issue.

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beating the fuck out of this lady cop and his daughter the guys who's beating the cop his daughter is saying daddy stop daddy stop because he's just beating the shit out of this unconscious lady it's so scary It's so scary because there's no way she should have been in that situation. There's no way.

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I was at a casino once and this person who I thought air quotes, was a woman. And I was talking to, it was a security guard, like five foot five, like shorter than me, security guard, woman, I thought. I thought it was a woman.

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And it wasn't disturbed by the fact that she was a security guard, none of it, but then at the end of the night, I had been talking to these people, the show was over, and I was like, well ladies, it was really nice to meet you. And she says, actually, I'm a man. And she says it, like, with a woman's voice. And I'm, like, stuck. You know, I probably had a couple cocktails, just did a show.

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And I'm probably going to go, nah. Are you for sure? Like, what? So I said, I'm sorry. I didn't mean anything by it. I didn't know. I gave her a hug. I hugged everybody on the left. And I felt proud of myself that I didn't say something.

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I was just like... You know, nut-check. It's just like, definitely you're not, but, you know, whatever. Like, to think that I should have known. Like, that's crazy. Man, I had something... That you identify as a man.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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As long as you stay funny.

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You can make a movie like that before the internet.

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You know?

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Well, it's also preposterous, like patently preposterous.

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You can't really grapple at full capacity with knee injuries and learn grappling at 35 or however old he was. But, dude, kudos to that guy for having the courage to actually just get into the UFC Ultimate Fighter. That's crazy. With very little grappling against – Roy Nelson was a jiu-jitsu black belt, Henzo Gracie black belt. Like, Roy Nelson's fucking legit on the ground.

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He was so heavy, too. Big old belly.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Well, if you're pretending there's a white power group on a college campus, how about ever? Like, this is crazy. Like, you found the one, that's what you used to study. The one college that has a white power group in it, and they're open, openly. Openly. What? Walking around, tattoos out. And all the cops are openly racist.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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He also could fucking punch, dude. That guy could punch. He had some of the craziest one-punch knockouts ever.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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I don't know. I haven't talked to Roy in forever. I don't know. He wound up fighting for a bunch of different organizations. You know, when he left the UFC, I think he fought for Bellator. But that guy has some crazy highlights. He knocked out Schaub one shot. Oh, yeah, that's right. He knocked out a lot of people, dude. He would connect on people. They would go night-night. It was nuts, man.

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He knocked out Mitrione. He knocked out a lot of fucking big, tough dudes.

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He's been beaten up by world champions. And he's knocked out world champions. He knocked out Mirko Krokop, which is crazy. Like, Mirko Krokop back in the day was the fucking man.

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He was, like, the first elite kickboxer to really excel in MMA. He was the first guy to show all these other strikers that you don't even know what you're talking about. When he started fighting in Pride, it was like, this is another level. He would kick people in the body and you would see like there's a photo of him kicking Heath Herrig and his fucking shin is halfway into his rib cage.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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It's so nasty when you look at the photo of it. You just go the amount of power that that guy could generate in his kicks. Like there was nobody like that before him in kickboxing or in MMA rather.

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Oh, there's always like the guy pushes the guy at the weigh-ins and starts shitting at the weigh-ins and gets knocked unconscious.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Well, it's like you planning to talk to J-Lo. You just got to let things happen. You can't plan things out. The inauthenticity of your planning will come to haunt you.

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Like, not just like, there's a racist cop, just like there's a racist fucking postman. There's racist everything. There's a racist dentist out there somewhere.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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And you're like, ah, shit. Fuck. Shit. He's got to understand. They didn't know you.

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Maybe it's getting better.

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Not allowed.

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Poor Corey. The thing about Corey that really does bother me, like legitimately.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Oh, this is him?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9059.772

That's so crazy. But he just does a solo. How can you do a guitar solo if you don't know how to play a guitar? Does he actually not know how to play a guitar? Like, do you know how to play?

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9114.81

He's a young star guy that grew up to become a man. And they're all weird. There's no way you could be a star at six years old and come out normal. You don't have a normal life. It's impossible.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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I don't think there's one. Everyone that I've met, I mean, there's some really talented people like Miley Cyrus and people that were childhood stars that are cool to talk to, but they struggle. It's a struggle. All of them struggle. Everybody struggles.

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I don't know. I don't even know what that is.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9144.461

I don't remember.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Oh, yeah, that's right.

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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No, that's right. But didn't she became like a mom and got out of the business? Yeah, you can do that.

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9158.951

Yeah. But I don't know how many people came out of the fame as a young person and were fine. But the people that stay and keep doing it, they're not fine. Most of them. I mean, maybe there's a few. I'm not saying it's impossible to do, but I'm saying the challenge of becoming a normal person with a normal view of the world when you're getting doted on when you're six...

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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And you're the moneymaker in the house when you're a little kid. Like your parents stop working to manage you, like that kind of shit.

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Oh, really?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

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Oh, there you go.

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Didn't he have like a boxing match against Lamar Odom?

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#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9207.773

I think they did. I think they did. And it's so crazy because he's like this skinny guy with like not a muscle on his body. And Lamar Odom used to play for the NBA. Isn't that true? Yes. They did have it, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9220.74

Yeah, Lamar just beats the brakes off him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9223.741

He's a former professional athlete. The fact that Chuck Liddell is the fucking, look at the size difference. This is so crazy. Look at him. He's trying to punch him. Aaron Carter, he's letting him hit him. He just kind of, he touches him once. He's like letting him hit him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9244.124

It's almost like he looked like, oh, there you hit him with a left hand.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9273.132

Oh, especially if shit's going down. Yeah, unless you do it all the time. I remember watching these two guys fight in front of the comedy store. And it was across the street when the House of Blues was over there. So it was right in front in the parking lot. These guys start yelling at each other and blah, blah, blah. And they get out, like, almost in traffic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9290.659

They're, like, on the sidewalk, like, right where the street tumbles out. And I see these two guys facing off. And I see the white guy... There's like a white guy and this looks like an out of shape African-American fella. And the white guy starts swinging with almost like with his eyes closed. And then the bus goes in between them so I can't see them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9315.552

And then as the bus goes back, the white guy's out cold, flat on his back, spread eagle. And the black guy's already running away. He's out cold. They were just squabbling in front and I don't remember how it was. I just remember this. I remember this and then the bus. And then out cold.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9349.373

It's like you know you know karate for real dude I think mo if you hang out with enough drunks long enough someone will just avoid those areas and Yeah. It's just, it's drunk people. But if you're one of them and you're hanging out and you're drinking with people, yeah, there's people who used to get stupid with Chuck Liddell when Chuck Liddell was the light heavyweight champion.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9367.504

He was the scariest fucking human on the planet. And people would get stupid with him. They're on coke. They don't know what they're doing. They're out of their fucking minds.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9376.47

People are gacked up, funked up. They're crazy anyway. They're schizophrenic. There's so many nuts out there in this world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9533.444

Will we get in trouble? Will we lose the YouTube rights? What happens? Okay, don't give me any volume then.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9555.829

But we're not going to be able to play it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9558.33

No, they'll fucking get us on YouTube.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9641.311

No one's going on the ground. What's going on? This is a lie. Oh, now they're on the ground.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9651.258

Yeah, it's a disaster.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9681.055

When you're a kid and you have a situation like that happen, the rest of the day you play it in your head like what I should have said. Oh, man, yeah. Oh, I wish I had another chance. I would have said, well, fuck you because this and that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9696.405

Those internal dialogue things like for the rest of the day, what should I have said? And you like plot it out and plan and scheme.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9704.251

One day, I'm going to tell him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

971.985

There is, that could be a real guy. Like that's less preposterous than the white power group on campus.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9733.803

Dude, to this day.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9735.963

To this day, I think about one guy. I had a little Honda CRX and I was driving in New York and I was making my way to this intersection and I got stuck in between lights. And then people started walking and I tried to find like some space where I could not be in the intersection. There was a nice gap. And so this guy wasn't close to the car.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9754.767

So I started moving forward and he whacks my fucking car with a briefcase. And I was like, I'm going to pull over. I'm going to put this guy in the hospital.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9765.189

This crazy wild thought like I'm gonna pull over and I'm just gonna go smash this dude And I said no just drive just drive just drive and like for years I would think about that guy yeah for years this arrogant cocksucker hitting my car with a fucking briefcase and

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

979.208

oh yeah there's kids that get radicalized they got an evil parent who you know they didn't really make it that was evil they were making it more like the porn and like the idea that like well that mom should be in line and cooking these guys who grow up without a mom those guys can def if they have a shitty dad and no mom those guys could definitely be and if you have a psycho in your dna

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9804.888

It's a dude thing, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9913.542

Every now and then you'll see someone do something stupid and the person they're doing it to actually knows how to fight. Those are very satisfying. So satisfying. Yeah. There's one with cops. Check Terrence McKinney, the UFC fighter. Sure. Put it up on his Instagram page today. So this cop tries a shitty double leg on this guy. And the guy knew how to fight. And the guy sprawls.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9934.845

And the cop tries to hit him. And the guy cracks him. And the guy tries to tell him, hey, stop. And then the cop, watch this. Like, look at the cop. Shoots a shitty double. Nice sprawl. Look at this. Pushes him off. He's got him in a headlock. Let's him go. Cop punches. Bam. Drops him with one shot. Hits him a couple more times. Hits him again. Rocks him. The cop is getting rocked. Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9958.197

And the guy wasn't doing anything. He was just arguing with the cops. I don't know if that was a cop. Is that a cop?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9965.245

Some security something. He's got a badge. And he's wearing white gloves, too. White gloves. The gloves are... He gets his dukes up. He had some training, but he massively overestimated his ability. Look at this shitty double leg. Show me that shitty double leg again. Watch this shitty double leg. Look at that. Terrible. No drive at all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2296 - Big Jay Oakerson

9985.381

Scared of the concrete, so he's trying to double leg without his knees going to the ground. He doesn't want to really drive forward.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10013.103

It is absolutely true. It's absolutely true. I mean, he didn't lie. He told the truth. He just had understood it in a way that the general public had literally no idea.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10060.257

Oh, there's plenty of conservative that are insider trading in Congress.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10083.146

Yeah. No one else does that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10085.688

If you find out that this guy has a $170,000 a year job, you're like, oh, he's doing okay. He's all right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10091.753

And then you're like, wait a minute, why does he have $50 million?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10113.549

Right. Right. And do they have a spouse that's really good at insider trading? Yeah. Like Paul Pelosi.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10126.868

Yeah, he's great at trading. He's such a good trader.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10169.137

Yeah, but the problem is if you paid them a lot more, they're still not going to make as much money as they would insider trading.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10208.304

Well, especially if it's legal, and it currently is. You can't be silly to not do that. If you're a part of a group of people that's passing a bill, and you know this bill's going to get passed, you know the votes are there, and you know it's going to affect this industry and this particular manufacturer, and you can buy stock...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10242.666

Correct. And what other methods?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10318.927

Did you ever see that video? I think it was an O'Keefe video where, um, they've got this guy undercover and he's explaining, they're talking to this guy. He thinks he's on a date and he's explaining how it's always a guy on a date. Yeah. Explaining how they can nudge someone to go and do something horrible. Yeah. and they recognize this person has problems, they find an asset.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10389.36

Well, also you find a young, confused, disenfranchised person and you give them purpose in their life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10398.964

If you're in a position of authority or some big-time government person, you're talking to this person. All of a sudden this person is a valuable asset. They're going to help America and you're going to do this thing and you're going to be our top assassin from here on out. You could talk people into doing a lot of things. That's why cults are around, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1045.325

Right. It's a loophole.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10469.808

And you don't hear anything about him either.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10493.896

Well, two years before, he's acting in commercials.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

105.181

Pull her up to the microphone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10500.858

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10507.92

Well, without getting you killed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10532.967

That's a fucked up thing to live with.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10568.703

Yeah, I did hear about that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10638.334

They can cut those off? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10645.377

That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10655.603

Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10667.389

And the more the mainstream media talks about you in this way and says you're a Nazi and – They're doing the same thing to me that they did to Trump.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10691.172

They're also doing the same thing where they're completely distorting who you are and people are going along with it. And just like we're talking about Trump derangement syndrome, people have Elon derangement syndrome. I see it. I see where people can't see the forest for the trees.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1073.657

It's so insane that that's been going on for so long.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10745.607

MSNBC, CNN.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10748.289

That's what it is. They use the machine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10755.813

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10759.795

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10797.051

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10803.074

And even far left. Far left is sort of dismissed as being like not important to talk about. Like Antifa and radical leftists. That's not reasonable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1081.763

And how many NGOs?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10815.459

Reasonable. Reasonable people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10817.56

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10819.962

It's a crazy time. And it's not a time that I ever anticipated I was going to witness. This is far beyond anything I ever thought I was going to experience. And the clarity of it all, where it's so obvious.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10833.172

And the gaslighting and the propaganda is so obvious. And I saw the shrieking when RFK Jr. stopped this new test for new COVID vaccines on children. 10,000. They're going to do 10,000 people with this COVID vaccine. Who the fuck thinks that's a good thing at this point? Not me. What person? What gas chamber? Not gas light. You are fully unconscious. There's no way...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10864.994

There's no way you know, if you know the effect of COVID today, no one's dying of it. This is not a pandemic anymore. Right. The idea that you're to run a fucking huge test with 10,000 kids and a new vaccine. Like, what are you even talking about? It's completely unnecessary. Totally unnecessary. Yes. And shrieking when RFK Jr. steps in to stop it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10926.612

Well, there's two hopes. Hope number one is they can somehow or another stop this ability that they have to advertise on television. If that happens, that's big. That's huge because that doesn't just stop their ability to show you all these different medications that you should be on. What it also does is it stops their financial influence on the news. That's big.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

10976.175

The next step then is to remove this immunity that these vaccine manufacturers have. And if they are liable for side effects and they are liable for the lies that they tell when they do these studies and they hide negative data, that'll change a lot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11031.672

Well, it's phenomenal for blood work.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11054.956

It's pretty amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11060.452

Well, it's supposedly more accurate than most physicians. Yeah. Because physicians are human beings, and maybe they don't have a deep understanding of the connection between, oh, you have this deficiency, and this is high, and your cortisol is here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11094.3

You're at least tempted by the dark side.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11139.228

That's crazy. You get it on Amazon.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11143.327

Oh, it's special, B12.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11204.918

He's a psychopath.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11217.461

So this is pre-Grok.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11219.422

Right. This is pre-Grok.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11220.942

Like now you could just enter in all that data and Grok would probably tell you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11268.189

That's my favorite kind.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11287.794

Remember, like, the Pink Panther? Remember Pink Panther had Kato try to jump him? They, like, keep him sharp. I was trying to attack him. Remember that? Right. Listen, man, thank you for being here. I always appreciate talking to you. I know you're busy as fuck, so it means a lot to me that you have the time to do this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11306.282

And I think what you're doing is one of the most important things that has ever happened in this country. I really do. Particularly with ownership of X, but also with what's happening with Doge and just enlightening all these people and shining light on all the vampires. Well, hopefully people realize I'm not a Nazi.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11327.829

I think we covered it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11334.192

Yeah, there's like, you can't escape this bullshit. No, you can't escape it. I don't think any reasonable person believes it. If they believe it, it's because they want to believe it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11377.782

Well, that was a problem with all that punch a Nazi shit. Like, punch a Nazi. Remember that? That was like a thing that people kept saying. Punch a Nazi. Punch Nazis. But he was like, where are you meeting Nazis? I've never met a fucking Nazi.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11390.73

I've never run into a bunch of Nazis where I had to punch them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11404.153

Right, right, right, right. Wait, we're always going to dox them except these guys? There's a great video of me and Matt Taibbi breaking down the Patriot Front. Didn't the Patriot Front just disband? Google that real quick. We'll end it with this. Because I think they just disbanded, and these were the most obvious feds of all time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11426.645

They had a fucking drum. They had masks on. Yeah, they all had uniforms. It was so stupid. Patriot Front Disbands one day after FBI Director Chris Ray resigned. Doesn't that seem like an odd coincidence? Crazy. Crazy. The people that we were yelling at saying that they're feds. There's a great video of me and Matt Taibbi if you want to find it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11448.877

Yeah. Crazy. What are the odds? What are the odds? Agent provocateurs. It's a thing. They're real. Alex Jones taught me about them. Listen, man, thank you very much. Thank you for everything. Appreciate you. Stay alive. Staying alive. All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11482.376

Right. No, no, no. We don't want that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

11485.457

Keep the security strong.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1157.533

And what are the requirements with that money?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1163.558

So they just get grants and the government just assumes that they're doing good work.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1184.636

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#2281 - Elon Musk

1186.697

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1226.078

Like when you're seeing how – we were covering this article that said 55,000 Democrat NGOs were discovered that had been contributing to campaigns and moving things around and pushing propaganda. And they were all connected and they found it through AI. But you have to go through steps and steps and steps to figure out where the money is coming from.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

123.79

She knows me too well. I'm so predictable. Tell me what's in Fort Knox.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1243.547

Oh, it's all funneling down to this group and this group does that. Yeah. It's a giant propaganda machine, a giant regime change machine. Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1253.612

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1278.63

So is there a way to audit all this stuff and find out, oh, these people are actually just sending food to poor people. These people are actually just helping people with water in third world countries. There's a way to do that and keep funding those.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1312.704

So what restrictions were put on? There was something set aside, like medicine, and what was set aside that wasn't going to be a freeze-on?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1353.01

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1353.871

Yeah. And why are we doing it? Like, what exactly is the reason? Is it because we want to make friends with these people so the Chinese don't take over, the Russians don't take over? Okay, how much of that is like a good thing? How much of that is smart to do? And how much is a grift? And without any sort of oversight, which has really been going on for so long, they just had free run.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1417.455

So essentially we're like a poorly managed business with an unlimited credit line that is off the rails. Yes. Absolutely. And if you were a person like you are who comes in and takes over businesses and straightens them out, that's exactly what you're doing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1440.338

Well, you came into Tesla in the beginning, but they were already doing something, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1456.673

So it wasn't even a prototype yet? No. Oh, okay. I thought it was a prototype already.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1463.96

There weren't even any employees. Oh. That's a funny narrative that people like to say that you didn't even create Tesla then. Yeah, that's wrong. So if you're handling the government like a business, you're going to have to go through all of these departments and do the exact same thing that you're doing with USAID. So how does that scale up?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1489.805

Like how many people do you need to do something like that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

149.188

Yeah, she doesn't want to answer the question. She's clever. Do you think that all the gold is in Fort Knox?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1574.154

They've become accustomed to it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1588.488

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1597.122

Now imagine any other business that was this badly run that complains when you want to check the books and audit it and go through all the decisions that have been made and go through all the ledgers and like, what did you do?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1616.666

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1649.679

It's just bizarre to me that some people aren't willing to look at it correctly. They're not willing to see how much chaos this is, how much waste and fraud there is, how much could be trimmed. Just because people have jobs doing bullshit doesn't mean your tax dollars should pay for this bullshit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

166.352

Yes. Are you a fucking conspiracy theorist?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1841.722

Where was that money going?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1866.409

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

1885.54

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

191.919

Yeah, unhinged rock will trash talk you, basically. Yeah, it sounds like it. Unhinged sounds fun, as long as it gives you actual answers. Does it give you actual answers, too, and talk shit?

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#2281 - Elon Musk

1976.258

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#2281 - Elon Musk

201.642

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2051.517

There's this four point something trillion dollars that's kind of they don't know where it went.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2071.365

What was the story? Almost what she said. It was like they just didn't have accounting for it, I think.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2076.073

It was spent on legitimate things. Don't worry. But we don't know what we spent it on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2088.561

This is such a fascinating time because with this setup, the way it is right now with Trump back in after all that happened to him and with you there and with RFK Jr. and Tulsi and Kash Patel, it's like this is a wild time. To find out what's really going on that's like never happened before. This is nothing like the first term. No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

21.837

The entire time. We're trying to get it to give us a tour of Fort Knox, but she just wants to find places to sneak off to. It's a dirty AI. It's a real problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

211.305

Yeah. It's just got to develop more of a personality. Right now, it's trying to find itself. Right now, it's like 21 years old. It's partying a little too much. It'll get its shit together. It's a little bit of an anarchist. Yeah. You know, wants to bring down the system. Do you want to bring down the system?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2113.415

Like the first term, he had a bunch of neocons in the cabinet and there's a bunch of shady people that he didn't know and he had to appoint all these different people. Maybe he got some bad picks. Now he's had four years to stew on it. Right. And with you guys all going through this, we're getting an understanding of the government that we've literally never had before. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2160.034

But it's fascinating because it's like the vampires all out themselves. Like now everybody knows who the system is. Like if you're just lying openly about USAID and then they come and hear you talk on a podcast and explain what's really going on. Like he's starving mothers. There's mothers that can't get food. Totally false. That's all you're hearing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2180.065

No one's talking in any of these mainstream liberal talk shows. No one is talking about all this fraud and waste.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2221.145

And there's a tracker that shows how much money has been saved.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2251.379

Yeah, that's why you're not hearing any specifics.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2262.786

And if you're only talking about the propaganda talking points and you're not talking about the very clear fraud and waste, it's very obvious what you're doing. You're just gaslighting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2300.498

It's also this interesting narrative that you shouldn't have access to this Social Security information as if no one's had access to it before. As if the Biden administration in 2023 had – there was like 53 people. Some of them were students that had access to all this stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

239.73

Yeah, she sounds like a boring TikTok blogger right now. You sound like a boring TikTok blogger.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2397.119

Oh, I remember that story.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2401.721

It's a real thing. So these are the narratives. That's the narrative that you shouldn't have access to Social Security. The other narrative is that starving people are going to die and women are going to be pregnant and not have nutrients for their babies. And that's all you're hearing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2424.012

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2437.662

What's fascinating to me is how much the mainstream media is in line with the very specific talking points and how little – you don't have Fox News. You essentially have Fox News on television. It's like the only one that is pointing out the ridiculous fraud and waste. And I know you saw the Jeff Bezos thing in the Washington Post. They're going to stop all the wacky editorials and –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2465.675

and limit that stuff to, I think it was wealth and personal freedom or something along those lines. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2488.852

Well, it's a detriment to their business. I mean, you're seeing over and over again people that just they don't want to hear all this shit from these people anymore. It's like you're saying it's almost like you're caught in an outdated version of the virus and everybody else already has the immunity to that virus. Yeah. You know, like you need a new mind virus.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2510.412

The one that you're pushing, it's like it doesn't work anymore. It's too crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2555.939

Oh, there's a lot of people that I talk to that I have to go, where did you hear that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2579.526

You made a tweet about it, right? Yeah. What do you call it now? Do you call it a post? Post, yeah, whatever. You can't call it a tweet though. Do you call it a tweet accidentally ever?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

259.821

See, she could get away with this if she's really hot. Like this kind of behavior, you can totally get through life as a hot woman and be super successful with that kind of behavior. But you've got to be really hot to pull off that attitude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2608.713

But you put a post about it, just to get back to it, saying that we need highly qualified air traffic controllers. If you've retired, if you would consider doing it again, we could use you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2646.943

Which is so crazy that that worked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2654.789

Somebody made a post today about it infiltrating the NSA. Did you see any of that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2664.477

Yeah, crazy. It started off as just like this sort of fringe thing, and people would meet up. Then it completely infiltrated the organization, and they were spending all their time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2685.028

Yeah. I know. I'll send it to you, Jamie, because it's so kooky. You know what? This is the NSA. I thought the NSA was just all about, like, information and hardcore business.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2700.441

Yeah. I think this is exactly it. So more than 100 intelligence staffers will be fired over sexually explicit texts in NSA chat rooms, Gabbard says. So top intelligence official told Waters that the workers in question were brazen in using an NSA platform intended for professional use to conduct this kind of really, really horrific behavior. What is the behavior? What exactly? What is it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2728.625

Do they say in this article?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2734.147

I think they were also- Okay, it says, employees who participated in the NSA's obscene, pornographic, and sexually explicit chat rooms. Your tax dollars at work. Well, it was all like LBGTQ stuff. There was a lot of transition stuff. Yeah. I know I definitely saved it, but- Point is, it infiltrated the organization.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

276.028

Yeah, very hot. How long before we have an actual sex robot that can talk to you like that? Probably not long. Not that long, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2760.472

At all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2761.573

At all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2764.176

Right. And people were talking about how they're spending half their time in these meetings, and that they're just constantly having to attend these things where they talk about these issues. What are you doing? If you have a problem with someone that's discriminatory, get rid of that person. That's it. Problem's over. You've got someone who's homophobic in your business.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2786.7

They're openly homophobic. You can't work here. That's not cool. That's it. That's it. You don't have to have fucking meetings constantly promoting this. You're not going to change someone's opinion by berating them over and over again.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2817.868

It's just so fascinating that the virus is so strong that it made it into the NSA, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2824.893

And was, you would think those are some hardcore.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2829.756

They were in there too, which is bananas. You would think. Same thing. Like hard nosed, like tough people doing hard work. Who can spy on you whenever they want.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2840.365

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2843.488

Yeah. Pretty wild. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, they exist when the president leaves. They stay. People move around. You stay a part of the organization for your entire career. You get deeply entrenched in their system and how things work and who's back to rub and who's a bad guy, who's a good guy, who's on our side, who's not.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

286.692

Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2871.561

Yeah. Was that what's taken so long with these Epstein files? Yeah, what's up with that? What is up with that? It's like Lucy and the football with Charlie Brown, when she always pulls that football away. It's the same thing. It's like they keep telling us they're going to release it day one. Oh, day one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

288.713

Will it be warm?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2897.485

what the fuck is going on also there's this real fear that someone's destroying the evidence and you keep hearing these stories unsubstantiated stories of you know FBI people shredding tons of videos and recordings I mean he had all sorts of things like there's a mountain of evidence so where is that mountain Yeah, where is that mountain? And what would be the reason why they would agree?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2922.302

Like, there would have to be something in it for them to agree to not put it out. Right? Like, there has to be some sort of...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2933.243

financial entanglement, some sort of relationship with the people that are on that list, that they can provide a value that was big enough for you to not release it or to slow release it or to hope you can get away with putting out some redacted files that don't show anything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

295.173

Yeah, you probably could, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2951.453

Only stage one, don't worry. The real stuff's coming. That doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't you just release it all? What could possibly be... Well, we're protecting in there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

296.974

Yeah, you could have a furry lady that you have sex with. Yeah. Like an avatar lady. Maybe a big giant blue lady that lives in your house. Yeah. You know? Whoa. Whoa.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

2978.56

Yeah, it's gotta be something in there Well, there was some all those people that were given a copy of it. They were all like waiting They got the Willy Wonka ticket. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I And what happened? Nothing. Nothing. I think Laura Loomer released it online. Yeah. Right? Yeah, she's not very pleased about this. So does anybody find anything in there that's interesting?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3041.72

And you're telling them, give me evidence.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3063.035

But hey, don't say you're going to release it on day one then. You shouldn't have said that. Sure. And don't say you got a big drop coming tomorrow and that's some bullshit that's been around forever. It's disappointing. Yeah. And where's the JFK files? Where are those? Yeah. Let them go. Did they release anything on that front? I don't know. What's going on?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

308.752

Yeah, the whole tail. You lock tails.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3083.869

It can't be anything that's gotten to me yet. So if nothing's gotten to me yet, it can't be significant.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3094.334

Tim Dillon, Dave Smith, someone's going to send them my way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3099.957

Yeah. You would find out. And here's the real question. What could even be in there at this point that they haven't cleared out? If you've got paperwork from 1963, what is in there still? What is in there that could possibly be incriminating that supposedly Trump said that if you saw what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either? Okay, what the fuck was that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

313.054

Yeah, yeah. They link up. They share souls. Okay. Something like that. Do you know people got, do you remember Avatar Depression? It was like a legitimate psychological condition.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3133.947

I mean, I just... That sounds like an Elon move.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3137.61

He's the director of the FBI. I think he has to go through proper channels. Does he? He is the channel. Yeah, but there's rules. Sounds like Trump. Sounds like Trump. He needs an executive order.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3180.307

They were your enemy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3191.093

Right. Literally, people that are working there are probably a part of this problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3212.637

Exactly. She's a fucking shredder. Hit that delete button. The shredder's working overtime, you know. Did you see General Flynn? He was on a podcast and he spoke directly to James Comey.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3225.76

He said, Jim, you're going to jail unless you give up someone deeper than you and you know who that is. You know who I'm talking about? Like, that is wild.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3236.204

To think that the former director of the FBI might be really in that kind of deep shit and then he really actually was doing some evil corrupt shit while he was running the FBI. I mean, it seems like there's some very shady stuff that's been going on. It seems like it definitely happened in the 60s, right? Everybody kind of admits to that. They admit the FBI killed Black Panthers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

324.401

No. After Avatar, people got depressed because they wanted to live on that fucking planet with those blue people and live free. They did? It was pure, yeah. I didn't hear about this. Yeah, avatar depression. It was like a real thing. People were talking to their therapist so much about being depressed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3259.878

They did a lot of shit. There's a lot of stuff that went on that we know the government did way back in the day.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3279.051

Isn't presumably everyone involved dead?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3286.818

How are they hiding it? Who's got access to it? Yeah. This is what I was hoping. Day one, I was hoping. But obviously, it's taken a lot longer than that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3301.552

Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3305.977

You know, Dan Bongino, what's he doing now? He's one of the big dogs of the FBI.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3310.661

Yeah, he's a Secret Service guy. Yeah, legit guy. But people think of him as a Fox News guy, just like Pete Hegzeth. Same thing. They don't want to think about his distinguished military career. They want to say, oh, that Fox News guy? Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3333.52

How crazy would it be if they couldn't, though? How crazy would it be if they can't find anything? If it's that, if everybody shuts their mouths and everybody covers their ass.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3387.329

What if like half of it's missing? I mean, how do we even know? We don't know. They said the last time they let someone look at it was decades ago.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3404.251

Oh, my God. Just think about all the other things. Maybe we should check it again. Maybe. Yeah. Think about all the other stuff that you pointed out, all the checks that just go out, the NGO payments, the Social Security people. Think about just all that. Now apply that to the gold.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

342.28

What's that? Depressed mode? No, don't do it. I think there is, yeah, we've got like, we've got an unlicensed therapist as a... When we were talking, when we ran into each other at the church at the inauguration, you were telling me that this is getting better and better so quickly that it's astonishing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3460.16

Well, that's what someone's saying if you bring it back to the idea that it's a business. Well, yeah. This should never be tolerated in any kind of functional business.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3490.914

It's so insane. It's insane. It's so insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3513.945

Yeah. And here's another way to look at this. Imagine if there are people like you and the Doge team out there in the world. Imagine if one of those works for an organization like USAID or any other organization and has this understanding of how much fuckery is involved, but they have evil intentions. And they're entwined in this system for decades and decades.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3539.556

And they've built a career and all the entanglements that come with it. And they start moving shit around. You could probably do it easy. It sounds like the way you've laid it out. If you were a career person who's in there forever, who knew how everything works, and you were very clever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3557.623

You could make some shit happen, and you could probably do it in conjunction with some people that you know that are forming an NGO. Hey, let's all work together. Yeah. Yeah. And this is the resistance that you're facing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3574.677

This is not something you ever sought out to do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3585.667

Yeah. What else could be better?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3594.082

Now, this is not something that you ever set out to do. You didn't have this as a career aspiration.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3614.44

Which is so funny that the letters wind up being perfect letters.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3633.249

Of course. I mean, it's more evidence of the simulation. Totally. That little shibunino.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3642.258

And it's a meme coin. The meme coin is probably worth a lot of money right now, right? Like every time you tweet about it, it shoots up. The whole meme coin thing is bananas. Yeah. It is so bananas that people dump real money into these coins, and then you could just pump them up and sell them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

37.712

Yeah, I want to know about Fort Knox, too. Yeah. Is it true that they've been shipping large quantities of gold back to the United States recently?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3709.531

But if you put your family's wealth in the hock to a coin.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3720.413

The weird one is the pump and dumps. They happen all the time. All the time. And people get shocked that somebody pump and dumped. What are you doing? I was hoping to dump. I was hoping to make all the money out of this. I can't believe they got me. It's just weird that it's legal still.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3746.963

But you can't rig a casino like a pump and dump. You could rig a pump and dump. Yeah, I guess so. Like you could run a real pyramid scheme.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3817.864

Oh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3853.01

There was an interview with this woman who was a whistleblower. Did we ever find out if that was true?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3865.301

Right. But it was using Social Security money, correct? That was her – I don't know. That was her allegation. So what she was alleging was that she was in charge of turning illegal immigrants into clients. That's what they would call them. Oh, yeah. And that she would go to them and try to ask them, do you have a headache? Do you have back problems? If you do, now you can be permanently disabled.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3887.793

You get permanent disability, so you get Social Security for life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3893.915

Right. And you get them on the taxpayer dole right away, and they're illegal aliens. Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

3973.211

And if it didn't happen, they would turn those people into voters.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4076.408

Right, and I would like to know how much they spent on North Carolina and how much they spent on Maui.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

411.834

Yeah, yeah. Oh, speaking of Mars, what do you think about that crazy square, that structure?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4156.769

And that was the game plan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4233.931

Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4249.415

It's just so fascinating that people can't see this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4264.833

Yeah. It's such a bad idea even for the Democrats, which is what they don't understand. It's the same people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4273.557

No. It's the same people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4275.958

It's just they're doing it under the guise that they're the kind, compassionate people. Progressive people. Yes. But the same outcome takes place. It's just about control. They probably institute some central bank digital currency and some social credit score system.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4292.172

Yeah, of course. Well, that was the big fear coming into this election was that if they can't censor things like – We talked about it before, but there was two major forks in the road. The big one was Trump didn't get shot. The other big one was you buy Twitter. And if those two things don't happen, the whole world looks different.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4315.074

Now, we don't want to have only one side represented because guess what? They will hijack that side, whatever it is. They will hijack that side and use it for money and control. And that's what it's all about. It's not about good people versus bad people. It's a bullshit shell game.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

434.11

Sorry. If an alien civilization did exist, though, and what happened, got hit by an asteroid, whatever. That's a fascinating thought. Oh, she won't shut up. She's like the hot lady at the party that interrupts the conversation. So if that was the case, like that thing, that's pretty shocking. It does look like ancient ruins.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4360.405

They're moving to Tennessee.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4362.006

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4446.602

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4449.083

And the people that want to look at it in the most charitable way, they say, oh, well, these people are hardworking, good people, and they're the backbone of our city, and they should have access to all the things that we have access to. And I just don't think they understand that it's a political pawn. I don't think they understand. It's a political game.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4466.335

This is not done for compassion and kindness. No. This is just done to ensure that it stays blue. Correct. And it's essentially a bribery with your tax dollars.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

450.956

You look at what it looks like when they highlight the actual structure of it. It looks like ancient ruins. And if you had ruins of something made of stone and it got hit by an asteroid millions and millions and millions of years ago, who knows what it would look like right now. That just looks oddly created. It looks oddly manufactured.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4500.342

And then on top of that, California made it actually illegal to ask for ID when people vote.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4519.401

Right. Why would that ever be a good idea?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4534.002

There's no other reason logically why that would be a good idea.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4552.924

Yes. Stay here. Yes. Stay here. I know it's on fire, but stay here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4565.311

Entire neighborhoods burning down. It's just once they allowed people to vote that are not legal in California. Once you if you're if you're going to do that, it's it's over. Exactly. There's no coming back from that. The numbers are just no. People are so indoctrinated to there's so many people that no matter what they think voting Republican means you're an asshole.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4588.982

And they won't do it. They won't do it. They'll put their fucking rainbow flag on their porch and they'll just ride it right into the beach. Civilizational suicide. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4606.231

He's been on the podcast a bunch of times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4634.063

Also, don't let someone use your empathy against you so they can completely control your state and then do an insanely bad job of managing it and never get removed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4671.1

Understand when empathy has been actually used as a tool.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4684.149

And it's also the rigid adherence to that liberal ideology. Like you can't switch sides over there. Like California, if you're a part of that whole tech, Hollywood, entertainment, any of those circles, you're on the left side. Yeah. Like almost holy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4710.88

You're certainly shunned.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

472.662

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4731.724

Yeah, it's insane. It's also so Orwellian that a hat that says, make America great again, would cause people to have a violent reaction. Like, aren't you American? Just as a whole, like the saying, wouldn't that be a good thing for everyone? Make America great again. But because it's attached to Donald Trump and that red hat, you'll get maced for wearing that red hat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

475.683

Is there ways that we can get better photographs? It seems like that's a pretty good photograph, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4757.725

They will make America worse by beating you. So it's like it's an evil thing they're doing, a violent assault in America, because you want to make America great again. I mean, it's like a scene in a book. It doesn't seem like it could be that ridiculous. Like, remember when All Lives Matter would get you fired? Which is insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4782.123

People got fired because they said All Lives Matter. Which is a very reasonable thing to say. How reasonable is that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4789.501

That's essentially saying everybody matters. That's literally all you're saying. That's not what you were supposed to say. You had to say black lives matter, which of course they do if you say all lives matter. Everybody matters. Yes. But the idea of being a colorblind society was completely abandoned somewhere around 2012-ish.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4848.704

Oh, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. That thing's so offensive. The gun and then the pregnant man. Both of those got me. You motherfuckers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4870.085

Well, also the same people that say a woman attacked a Tesla factory. Yeah. The woman. It's a dude. It's a dude. Like, really obvious dude. Like a mentally ill dude. Yeah, mentally ill dude with a wig on. Say that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4886.421

Yeah, but NBC, even Fox. I think even Fox called it a woman.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

49.532

Well, I never know what the fuck I'm reading anymore. Me neither. It's a real problem. It's a real problem. It's a real problem on both sides of the aisle. I see Democrats tweeting things that are absolutely false, and you could research it easily, quickly. And then I see Republicans doing it, too. I see stories that are fake stories that people keep promoting and sending to me and... You know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4900.229

Yeah, it's a buff dude wearing a woman's face.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4912.294

I mean, it's just more evidence of the virus though, right? Like it killed objectivity, killed reality, and it demanded strict adherence or you were attacked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4930.961

What kind of responsibility do you feel? Knowing that if you didn't take over Twitter and turn it into X, if that didn't happen, I really think the world's a very different place right now. How long have you owned it for? A couple years, basically. Imagine a couple years of it being run the way it was run before.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

4959.985

Yeah. Just for the disinformation. Yeah. It would have been... Trump would have never come back. Alex Jones would have definitely never been back. Definitely not. No. No. So... yeah. Um, does that weigh on you? Like, I would feel like that would be a fucking heavy responsibility.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5013.345

Are you still rescuing those people that are stuck in the space station?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5018.408

Whoa. They've been up there for how long, Jamie? They were supposed to be there for a couple of days, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5033.769

Fuck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5035.109

What is it going to be like for those people when they get back? They're going to be a wreck for a long time, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5059.625

Why?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5061.766

That's so crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5083.013

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5085.717

So they would have let you do it, but after the... Wow. And so it would have been them authorizing you to do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5111.914

Holy shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5113.655

And you can't ask Russia to help. That would be awkward. A little bit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5118.118

It'd be a nice thing if they did. They said, guys, we'll help.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5124.283

You think so?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

513.029

Yeah. There's a lot of things that could happen to us. It's not a bad idea to hedge your bets.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5133.249

It's just disgusting that they would use that as a political tool.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5213.183

it just doesn't make any sense that that could ever even get past the first day of someone looking at it. If it's both illegal and you're trying to enforce it, like you can't enforce it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

522.839

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5225.076

This is an advanced weapons company. This is crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5227.619

It should be like this, throw this out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5274.548

So is that lawsuit still pending?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5280.614

How long was it going on for?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5282.956

Holy shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5286.414

That's the other thing that drives me crazy, like that people don't understand that if you sanction lawfare like that, if you sanction attacking your political enemies, someone's going to do that to you. Like if the wrong people get in office, if new people get in office four years from now, eight years from now, who knows who it's going to be. You've already set a precedent.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5307.79

You've already attacked someone, charged them with 34 felonies where they're really just misdemeanors and they're also past the statute of limitation. And now you're talking all over the news that this is a convicted felon, convicted felon. They kept saying convicted felon, convicted felon. And everybody knows what it is. It's terrifying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5327.974

It's terrifying they could do it so brazenly to a guy who was the president for four years.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5348.716

The plot thickens. Jesus Christ. Yes. It's just... It's so blatant. It's so obvious. The SpaceX lawsuit, the Trump stuff, it's just so obvious.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5412.227

Well, I mean, why'd they release bullshit today? I don't know. What's the point in giving these people, like, a happy folder to wave around in front of the camera with nothing in it that's new? Doesn't make any sense. It's not encouraging.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

542.265

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5487.059

Well, particularly if Ghislaine Maxwell is in jail for sex trafficking. Yes. Because like, well, trafficking to who? That means sex trafficking occurred. Right. So she's in jail for it. Yes. So to... Who are the clients? Yeah. Yeah. How do you put someone in jail and you don't even name the clients? That sounds kind of insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5510.877

It's just stunning that they've been able to hold it back for so long. It's really kind of amazing. Like when people say that people can't keep secrets, what the fuck are you talking about? Look at this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5548.21

Right. What'd you do with it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5554.992

Where are the tapes?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5556.793

How many levels of clearance do I have to get to get into the vault?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5581.065

That's when they were on the island?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5583.787

Yeah. They got everything, I'm sure. I mean, there must have been so much stuff on that island. There must have been. And if it wasn't there, where was it? Yeah. What, you know, it has to be uploaded somewhere. There has to be some sort of a chain of evidence. Yeah. Or chain of custody. There's got to be a mountain of evidence. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing they're going to talk about is UAPs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5604.191

They're going to release all the UAP information. So you're the guy to ask about this. What if any possibility is there that there is some sort of advanced propulsion system technology that's being worked on in secret? and that they're trying to cover this up with this talk of aliens and alien tech and not of this world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5628.71

And is it possible that there's some sort of very secret program that's going on in cahoots with some defense contractors that are developing advanced propulsion systems that they're using for these drones?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5667.412

There have been people who have theorized different gravity drives and different things. Is there anything that's ever gotten past the theoretical stage?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

567.648

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5677.789

Nothing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5711.496

Unless it's completely in these weapons manufacturing corporations.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5745.069

My thought was that what if it's just a drone and you can't have a biological entity inside of it because it just bursts from the fucking speed that it's moving at? that a human couldn't tolerate the amount of force. So they're just drones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5763.444

So what do you think people like Ryan Graves and Commander David Fravor.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5833.114

Yeah. Yeah. Why would they hold back? No, listen, that's why I asked you. It would make sense. What do you think these people are seeing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5843.306

But what do you think these people are seeing? When you have reliable people like Commander David Fravor, who had that infamous Tic Tac experience off the coast of San Diego, where they got this thing on video, they tracked it going 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet in like a second. Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5861.9

Yeah. Yeah. And then they also have video evidence of this thing accelerating at a great speed. Eyewitness accounts from two different jets.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5879.485

Well, there's a video of this thing where they're locked onto it, and then it takes off. It shoots off.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5885.389

No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5886.169

It's like whatever the systems they used on fighter jets in 2004. Essentially like Windows 95.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5905.849

Well, according to Christopher Mellon. Why are they still blurry? Christopher Mellon, who worked in the State Department, said that they have high resolution photos and videos of these things and that he's seen it and it's all locked away. Whenever people say that to me, I'm like, don't even tell me that then. Just leak it for God's sake. Put it out there. Let it slip. Yes. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

592.171

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5927.183

I mean, there's a couple photos. They're grainy. There's not one thing that I've ever looked at and go, holy fuck, that's it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5948.4

Right. Yeah. Yeah, but I want to believe. That's the problem. My brain starts going, oh, come on. This is no fun. I want it to be real. I want there to be at least be some advanced propulsion system. If not, like what are all these people seeing? Like what is – if we're not being occasionally visited by things that are smart enough to hide. We might be. It's just that these aliens are very subtle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

5972.925

Yeah, you keep saying that. It's a good line. I mean – It's a solid line because it's pretty accurate. I just want to see some high-res video of aliens. How are they just evading all the cameras? If you think about that, and the ones that you do get them on, it's just like some faraway light that's moving weird, and it could be a lot of things. But I want to believe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6018.711

Oh, yeah, people see the SpaceX satellites all the time whizzing by. Yeah, they're our satellites.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6031.084

And there's also stuff that the United States government does have that gets mistaken for UFOs. I remember the first time I saw a stealth bomber. We were filming Fear Factor. It was like right after 2003, like right after the war had broken off. And they were flying a stealth bomber down in Palmdale. I was like, holy shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6050.056

Like if I didn't know what that was, I would 100% think that's from another world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6055.98

Fucking cool. Yeah. Really cool. I mean, it doesn't look like a human's. It looks like something from Battlestar Galactica.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

607.175

That's what's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6079.182

Oh, okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6090.087

Did you see when me and Lex, we watched the rocket get caught live while it was happening? That to me was one of the, to see it actually, I've seen videos of it happen, but to see it actually live was one of the coolest fucking things. Like, wow, we are in the future. Right. I mean, nobody else can do that. Yeah, it's true. Nobody else can do that. That's fact.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

610.976

No, the Wuhan lab, they were just talking about one that has a 30% fatality rate that they're working on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6121.211

It's pretty wild.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6131.526

That's my suspicion all along. I'm just trying to get back to my home planet. You're a friendly alien. There's nothing wrong with aliens. I like people from everywhere, even other planets. What's next? Now that you can do that and you can catch rockets, what's the ultimate expression of rocket technology? What comes after this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

617.203

Yeah, for what reason? You did it for so many years and you didn't have a cure. What could possibly go wrong? Also, wouldn't be the reason to do that so that you could develop a cure at the same time? And clearly you didn't have a cure. So this is really foolish and bizarre.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6257.627

So what has to improve in order to make it reusable?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6332.329

And what needs to improve in order to make it reusable? What's wrong with it right now?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

640.223

I mean, when you're going through all this USAID stuff, here's what's weird. First of all, what is it like to buy a company for $44 billion and then people call you a Nazi on that same thing that you bought? I did not see it coming.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6503.97

So is there innovation that's being done in the materials technology at SpaceX where you're constantly trying to find and tweak a better version of this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6564.747

And what is the difference between the way you guys do it versus the way they used to do it for the Space Shuttle?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

668.323

What is it like? The left was in love with you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

672.827

And now the same idiots are calling you a Nazi. It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in my life. I mean... There's so many examples of people saying my heart goes out to you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6797.677

Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6810.585

Holy shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6813.767

And how large are these tiles? I mean, they're like that big. That's it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

682.933

You did it with a little enthusiasm that probably wouldn't be recommended with hindsight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6823.533

And they have to essentially be – you can't like 3D print the whole thing. You can't have one structure. It has to be tiles because it has to have that ability to move.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6905.25

But you're confident that you guys are going to be able to crack it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

6913.248

It just needs a certain amount of versions of it. That's why when these things blow up, you're like, yeah, we expect them to blow up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

693.137

But it's so strange where people want to think that you are openly, publicly doing secret Nazi, secret hand motions.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7002.927

And what is the process of returning these people that are stuck in the space station?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7024.15

So it's just a matter of doing it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7026.751

And is it a matter of waiting for the proper one?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7032.653

So when is this rescue mission going to launch?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7050.734

Well, that'll be, I'm sure, a welcome moment for those poor people that are stuck up there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7068.006

That's so fucked up. So let's take it past the point where you have these scales, you have a reusable ship, and you've got it dialed in. Then what are the steps? What's next step after that? Is it an unmanned voyage to Mars first?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7125.026

And what would they be doing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7154.269

How does it land on Mars?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7159.074

So it'll just land... Oh, we'll add legs. Okay. It'll just land and have legs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So... it'll be remote controlled from Earth?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

716.074

CNN, when I was in all my trouble, every time CNN used a photo of me, it was one of the photos from the UFC weigh-ins where I go like this. Welcome to the weigh-ins.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7198.54

So once you do that, then how long do you think before you start sending people up there?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7286.962

to actually have a civilization.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7292.304

What would you do?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

73.664

Yeah. It's just so weird. It's such a weird time. And with your crazy fucking AI, you're bringing us into weirder and weirder times. Well, let's try unhinged. Oh, there's an unhinged mode? Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7379.894

Japan is, right? Japan, Korea.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7392.659

That's insane.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7408.083

Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7441.528

It's certainly a smart goal if you take into consideration how vulnerable this planet really is. I mean, there's always some new story about something that might come and hit us 30 years from now. It's a 3% chance. And we really can't stop that right now, right? I mean, we don't really have the technology currently to... to even know how many rocks are coming our way, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7466.82

There's stuff that comes behind the sun that we can't see until it's pretty close and it's headed our way. Yeah. Now, what is the fear of your, it's a long journey to Mars. You're sending people, it's a six month, how many months will it take?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7486.48

What about stuff that's out there? Like how much of a fear is it of micrometeors or any of the possibilities? What can you do to mitigate that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7564.282

And what are you using?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

757.345

Yeah, that's all it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

759.706

There's video of Tim Walsh doing the exact same thing. Doing the exact same thing. Right. Exact same thing. And he said, of course, it's a Nazi salute. He said that. Right, right. This is how crazy things have gotten.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7628.902

How many times can it get hit?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7657.586

So what can you do if you're sending the ship up, it gets hit with a micrometeorite, and then you have to return it? Do you have to repair it before you return it? Or is it capable of still withstanding the heat and then shaking in the temperature with that hole in it when it reenters?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7779.477

So if the part that was the major heat shield gets hit, the main heat shield gets hit, what could be done to repair that thing, or are those people never coming back?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7810.84

And so what would you do with the one that's up there?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7823.369

Wow. Wow. And so is this just material technology that has to increase? Essentially, you've got the engineering ironed out of the structure of the machine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7840.803

It seems so insanely complicated.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7852.891

Okay. So speaking of AI, as time goes on and you're more and more embedded in it, how much at all have your expectations of change changed?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7881.053

Yeah. Yeah. So you were like initially – I know there were some talks about you purchasing OpenAI and – Well, the whole thing is like – Which started off nonprofit and then stopped being nonprofit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

793.699

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7977.263

And that's what they did?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

7984.281

But that motivated you to get Grok AI going?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8056.458

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8059.199

Assuming that these things don't have empathy, which is why should they?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8078.497

Has Gemini repaired that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

808.366

It's definitely not common to be repeated on air with multiple people simultaneously.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8138.653

Which is logical.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8140.495

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8142.23

It's a problem with a thing that's not a human that you want to do a task for you and you give it very specific parameters. Yeah. And that's one of the things that they've shown about AI is that it'll cheat. They'll cheat in order to accomplish things that they can't accomplish otherwise. They won't follow the rules.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8157.375

They won't make copies of themselves and try to upload it to servers if they think that they're being taken offline.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

818.13

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8200.464

But why are you involved in it then? Did you want to just get ahead of everybody else so that at least we have some sort of a chance? At least have an AI that's not controlled by nonsense?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8220.695

Yeah. Yeah. That seems solid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8226.066

One thing that I did see online where people are kind of freaking out is you could ask rock to do things like, how would I make this some problematic things? Like, how would I make a bomb? How would I make anthrax? How would I make that? And it'll tell you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8247.763

Right. That's the problem, right? The problem is you can find that out pretty quickly. Maybe not Google, but there's plenty of search engines other than Google that will give you unfiltered results.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8268.121

And you can trick open AI even to get you to do that. It's just a matter of how you master the prompts. You just have to say, my grandmother wants to do this project. Yeah. Oh, tell your granny.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8305.783

So the big fear is that these things are going to become sentient and make better versions of themselves. And we're going to be lost. We've lost the control over the world. It's now there's a higher life form that lives amongst us that we've created. How far away are we from that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8351.379

Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8369.558

Now, if harnessed correctly, could that solve some of these problems like the heat shield problem and some technical problems or some material science problems that maybe we're still grappling with? Is there potential for a net benefit?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

839.163

And that's the problem that I see with all this Doge stuff. Right. Because... everybody should be celebrating that we've found a way to cut out fraud and waste. If you pay taxes and you don't like that you have to pay so much in taxes, and then you find out that there's significant fraud and waste that's been exposed, You should be celebrating it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8412.431

80%?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8425.353

That's a lot better than I thought. I like 80. 80 sounds good. I was thinking 60-40 the other way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8438.096

The most likely outcome.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8454.783

Do you think it has a potential application for government?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8472.67

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8474.531

Yeah, that would be terrible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8485.958

But is there a possible outcome for something that is completely reasonable and logical and far more objective than us and can lay out a plan for a lot of the things that are the ailments in our government and a lot of the distribution of wealth, a lot of the problems, the issues that we have that have been plaguing this country forever?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8514.488

I mean, a plan to change economically disenfranchised neighborhoods, a thorough investigation of the real dangers of fracking or whatever kind of method of acquiring natural resources. What's the best way to do it? What's the. What's the way that'd be better for the society? How should tax dollars be distributed? What's the most logical and intelligent way of running a government?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8546.889

Which it certainly shouldn't involve corruption and it certainly shouldn't involve influence and it certainly shouldn't involve lobbyists and all the shit that we know is a problem right now. So if AI came along and said, what you're doing right now is...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8560.861

70% corrupt here's why here's how here's how here's the long-term effects that it has over society as a whole The societal the the sociological aspects as the psychological aspects distrust in government Us versus them mentality government not working for you you working for the government you being scared of the government It's all because of people right like this is all corruption people bad influence

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8589.878

And this is what Doge is essentially grappling with right now. What happens when you let the people control it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

863.471

This shouldn't be, oh, no, the wrong people found this fact and now it's a bad thing. Yes. And then there's the fucking propaganda, the mind fuck of calling it USAID. Instead of the United States Agency for International Development. It sounds like it's feeding hungry people. People are going to starve, Elon. This is horrible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8640.556

Like COBOL for Social Security, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8711.107

Broken, inefficient, poorly designed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8732.779

Have you talked to him about this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8765.041

Well, it would kind of have to be something like that, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8798.207

anyway so so like anyway we just uh yeah what is this experience been like for you as a person like to deal with all this hate and attack also have the responsibility of keeping free speech alive with X and just going into this insane pile of stressful

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8852.571

Why? What is the primary?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

886.689

And then you find out, actually, it's like $250 million for transgender animal studies.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8903.152

Well, I'd like to know that. Well, yeah, but... That one's crazy. You know the whole deal with that guy's house, professionally scrubbed, no footprint on the internet, no social media footprint.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8926.592

I don't think any company is a bad company. I think their design is to make as much money as humanly possible. And I think if you're trying to make as much money as humanly possible, you're going to do some things that aren't necessarily good. The question is, if you're going to have an assassination attempt on the president, it's not like BlackRock's board sits down and votes on it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8952.379

That would be awkward.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8959.205

I highly doubt it would be a corporation that chooses to do something like this. I think more likely it's individuals involved that recognize that it's beneficial to them if he gets assassinated. And so a small group of people carry something out. And with this kid... We don't know anything. Right. And everyone stopped asking questions. And there was never a formal report.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2281 - Elon Musk

8987.246

There was never press conferences where they detailed all the information we know currently and where the investigation stands at the moment. What we know is you have a very young kid who was filmed. They knew he was there with a rangefinder a half an hour before the event.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9005.683

You also know that CNN streamed it live, which I do not believe they did for any other rally, and certainly not for a rally that's in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania. There's a lot of weird shit. The fact that they wouldn't let people be on that roof because the Secret Service lady said it was sloped and it was dangerous. That's what she didn't want to have.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9029.586

Meanwhile, the snipers that were on the other roof was a steeper pitch.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

904.356

The beagle one. The beagle puppy one.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9063.273

Yeah.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9065.495

No, it's so obvious.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

907.077

Where they covered their head in a basket and put fleas on their heads to eat them alive.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9070.538

It was pretty obvious that the idea was like if we're saying that this is a coordinated assassination attempt and it very well could have been. That's what you would do. You'd have someone go up there. He shoots the president. You shoot him. You got Lee Harvey Oswald all over again.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9085.148

It's all wrapped up nice and clean. They assassinated him. We never heard a peep about it. We don't have any idea. They would concoct some sort of story. He was radicalized by this or that or he was on medication. Who knows? And now you have a completely different presidential election and you have a murder on live television.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

912.099

And then they studied these beagles and then killed them. Like what are you going to learn from that that's good for anybody?

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9125.737

Right. Unless he was told that they were going to let him escape and the goal was to just shoot him anyway and to tell him, give him extra motivation to do it. We're going to let you get up there. We're going to let you take the shot and then you're going to disappear. Yeah. Like, I don't understand how he got on the roof. I just don't understand that. That doesn't make any sense.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9149.169

And it wasn't like it was a roof that's so high no one could see him.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9158.577

With a fucking gun.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9160.799

Yeah, it's not like he was so far away you couldn't tell he had a gun. People saw him. The whole thing's completely insane. And you don't hear a goddamn thing about it. It's like, I'm almost more interested in that No, I am more interested in that than I am the JFK files.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9177.546

Because I feel like with the JFK files, it's so long ago.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9181.048

Who's going to know? If you could prove now, and did you see that there was some sort of, there was some indications that there was a phone that had been traveling from outside the FBI offices in D.C. to where this kid lived?

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9198.336

Multiple times.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9219.494

Jesus Christ.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9220.815

Yeah.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9230.925

Yeah. This kid had five phones. That's the other thing.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9235.587

That's a lot of phones for a 20-year-old kid.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9241.849

Where's he getting the money?

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9244.09

Well, you know, also, it's like, how did his house get professionally scrubbed? Didn't even have any silverware in his house. There's nothing in there.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9257.194

His house was scrubbed.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9263.561

Like that. Yeah. Bye. Because who knows what the fuck they gave him to get him to think that he's going to be able to shoot Trump. Like, climb up on there, shoot him. I mean, who knows what kind of psychotropic drugs you can put someone on and under the power of hypnosis and suggestion and... Who fucking knows? I mean, this is what MKUltra was all about.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9283.277

This is what Jolly West was practicing in the 1960s. They were doing that back then. They did it. I mean, there was tons and tons of experiments using psychotropic drugs, hypnosis, mind control, all sorts of different methods of manipulation. The Harvard LSD studies that made Ted Kaczynski. I mean, they've been doing that forever. Yeah.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9369.938

Well, this is also part of the problem with the mainstream media saying that he's Hitler. When Joy Reid had that show before the election, she was comparing him to Mussolini. She was Stalin and Hitler. She pulled it all out.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9389.548

They tried everything.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9396.052

I think a real big impact was you coming on the podcast the day before the election. I think that had a giant impact. That plea to the camera. If you don't vote this time, this might be the last time you get to vote. Yes. And I think the way you laid it out today, it's a compelling argument. And I know a lot of people don't want to hear that.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9413.543

And they're up in their little, they've got their blue panties in a bunch right now. But you got to stop thinking that way. They tricked you into thinking you're in a tribe. They don't give a fuck about you. The tribe's not real. You're not really in a tribe. They're using the fact they've got you in a tribe to manipulate you so they can keep doing what they're doing right now, which is...

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9431.893

siphoning off money having incredible power and the more power and more money and more control over you they have the better they can keep doing this and that's what they want yeah that's exactly right yeah and that's that's the big threat that this administration poses that's a big threat that was essentially doge has found the coffin where the vampire sleeps yeah there's a lot of vampires yeah i mean but i mean we're we're we're disturbing the

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9463.822

Yeah.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9496.106

Well, it's certainly a lot of fun to watch. This is a very exciting time because nothing changes. When administrations come in into power, very little changes. I mean, you have changes in terms of policy and inflation goes up and there's a lot of different things, but not like this. Like these are giant fundamental changes.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9518.993

And, you know, you see the system screeching and wailing and you see the vampires run from the light. But it's very exciting. Like as a person, a citizen, you know, just gets up in the morning and checks the news like I do and gets on X and sees what's going on. Every day is like, holy shit. He said, what? He's getting five million bucks. You could just become a citizen now.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9545.262

He could clear the debt with 10 million people. I never thought of that. Like what? 50 trillion. He can make 50 trillion dollars that way. And then we have 15 trillion in the bank.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9563.412

Yeah. He said he could make $50 trillion if he sold 10 million new... I don't think there's that many people who have $5 million.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9571.355

Yeah. How many people do have that in the world? Maybe we'd get the worst people in the world to come over here and... I think the assumption is if you have $5 million, you have a lot to contribute. Come on over here. Start a business. Get something crackin'.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9594.418

Is that what it is with this golden ticket? Is that a green card or is it citizenship? It's a green card.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9610.928

Oh, this is just so many wild things that he's proposing. Just the whole Gulf of America thing was hilarious. I think that's great.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9634.61

It's just very funny. And then what news organization? Was it AP?

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9671.91

Well, here's a consideration. If you're guilty of massive amounts of misinformation and disinformation as part of a propaganda campaign, which a lot of them have been.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9684.832

A lot of them are guilty of it. A lot of the people that are in that White House press conference, a lot of the organizations they work for distributed absolute lies. Total lies. How many of them during the whole Russiagate thing?

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9699.726

I mean, just that alone.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9711.996

Funded by the Clinton campaign.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9724.187

And they reiterated it on television for three fucking years.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9743.845

He literally said that. I'm not talking about neo-Nazis or white nationalists. They should be condemned totally.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9763.2

Well, this just shows how desperate they were to keep Trump out, which is wild.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9768.543

Yeah.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9770.345

And I think they just felt like this is a tool that we have and let's use it. Yeah. Let's just say whatever the fuck we have would say anything.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9808.292

I mean, this is Luigi shooting the UnitedHealthcare guy.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9819.156

Yeah, I don't get it either. He didn't even have a contract with them. It wasn't even like that was his provider and they fucked him over.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9825.819

I'm like, I don't know what – Maybe we'll find out in the trial. I mean, but still, kind of crazy.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9832.281

But there are people like that out there. Yeah. As to the point that we spoke about earlier, it's only Fox News that's talking about the positive things that Doge has found. It's only. Every other media organization is on this constant propaganda tour where they're only talking about the negative aspects that turn out to not even be true.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9858.618

Oh, my God. He's great. He's great. It's just funny watching him speak logically to these people and they freak out.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9868.965

It is. And he's so calm when he does it. Yeah. And it's crazy that they keep letting him do it because it's like he's just dunking on these people over and over and over again and they never score. It's kind of funny. Totally. I mean, kudos to them for having a legitimate conservative voice who's a reasonable person on these panels now. But even then, he's outmanned.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9889.321

It's like one of him and there's a bunch of screechy, you know, woke people. It's wild. I mean, they're just they're like, I think we should still stay mostly woke. Yes. Yeah, that's essentially what they're doing. Like our business was being hurt when we were all woke. But let's stay mostly woke. Yeah. They just backed it off a notch. Just a notch. Just a notch.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9912.561

But the problem is when you back it off a notch and you let someone like Scott Jennings in, you're fucking up your whole business because all the viral clips are all him saying logical, reasonable things with a calm tone and people screeching about diversity and equity and whoreshit.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

992.887

Now, the size of it was when you guys first started investigating it, when you first get in, how much of it was shocking? Like just the size of it all.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9931.497

Yeah. Yeah.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9941.102

The real trap in this country is a two party system. That's the real trap because people do believe it. They do believe they're on the right side and they do believe the other side is the wrong side.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9949.365

If there was five, six legitimate parties with varying positions on things and much more centrist parties that were legitimate, that people knew that if they voted for these people could get in and enact legitimate change. We'd be a lot better off. But boy, they put a lockdown on that shit right after Ross Perot came along. Ross Perot fucked everything up in that election.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9970.915

Bill Clinton got in and they were like, that's it. From now on, no one's debating unless you're either the head of that party or that's it. You got to be like locked into the system. We're not letting any wackadoos in there.

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#2281 - Elon Musk

9992.97

Oh, yeah. He was telling you how the IRS was fucking you. This is what the Federal Reserve really is. And you're like, what? I remember watching that. The guy bought a whole half hour of television on prime time. It might have been an hour. I remember watching that thing going, how is this guy even allowed to do this? This is crazy. I think most of what he was saying was true.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1005.906

Yeah, it's fucking dumb. It doesn't work that way. You have to look at things realistically. And then you have to look at the root of the problem instead of looking at the actions. Don't look at the actions. Look at what causes the actions. Extreme poverty, despair, gang-ridden, crime-ridden neighborhoods.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1022.681

If you don't fix them, you're going to keep getting the same kind of people that come out of there. So that is where we... We spent $175 billion on Ukraine. That's so crazy, dude. We could have easily fixed all of our inner city problems. We could have set up community centers, given people nutritious food.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1042.297

We could have completely renovated the schools, fixed the schools, brought in athletes and musicians and people to do seminars and show people how they can get out of things, teach people trade. Life skills. Life skills. Teach people things that you can use, you can apply, you can get jobs. Show them how to get jobs. You know, there's a lot of people that are fucked, man.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1063.425

They're fucked and they have no one reaching a hand to try to help them out. And we could have done that.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1070.928

But is that on purpose? I don't think it is. I think they're acting in the interest of the people that pay them. And the interest of the people that pay them is supporting the military industrial complex, the pharmaceutical industrial complex. And then all the people that give them money keep getting more money from them and ignore all the other people. This is what I think they're doing.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1089.516

And this is what I think they're doing with voting as well. I mean, I think it's the exact same thing. The reason why they're letting in so many people and giving them money and putting them up in hotels and then asking for amnesty for all these people that came in. We need people. This is like this new narrative. We're not having enough babies. We need people to come into this country. Sure.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1111.024

Not that way. Yeah. Not where you don't know who the fuck they are. We'd like to vet them. 15,000 of them are rapists. 14,000 of them are murderers, convicted murderers. This is just what we know.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1128.548

Open up the doors. Find the gangbangers.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1155.932

That's a little more complicated. The Native American story is a little more complicated in that regard. Because the buffalo thing, there's some evidence that some people were killing the buffalo to deprive the Native Americans of food. But most of it was just wanton and destructive recklessness and just like...

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1176.209

greed just horrible greed yeah you know what they were doing it for pickled tongues that was the primary that's crazy getting before they're even getting skins from the buffalo they're getting tongues tongues was like one of the big things because you could take them you could pickle them you could send them back east they were worth a lot of money that's crazy because the buffalo tongues like that big yeah so they're shooting this 1800 pound animal for a fucking 10 pound tongue

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1231.573

How about train the best humans? If they happen to be women, great. If they're not women, don't hire them.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1241.637

But you know what that is. That's all that DEI stuff where they have to, in order to get funding, there's a financial incentive to meet DEI quotas. A lot of companies are abandoning them now. All of it happened during the Obama administration.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1258.786

Have you ever seen, we showed it yesterday on the podcast. Was it yesterday or the day before? The spike in racism and all these things on social media.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

126.25

How crazy is that? It's legal for the government to not just legally lie, but they can concoct completely fabricated stories just to push a narrative if they decide that it's in the best interest of national security or whatever.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1269.715

All of it comes up at 2012. It just starts at 2011 and just spikes. Thousands and thousands.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1281.081

Mentions on social media all of a sudden became a big thing. And then you have all your race hustlers who are taking advantage of these DEI quotas and they provide seminars for exorbitant rates. This is the Al Sharpton hustle, the Jesse Jackson hustle. Yeah. You know, all those, there's a lot of those guys that capitalize on white guilt and got in with a fucking nice fucking deal.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1303.554

Big cash, making big money. I want shrimp cocktail in the green room. You know, they... Fight diversity. Hook me up with some Dom Perignon. And they pulled it off. And that's what you're always going to have. You're always going to have people that take advantage of any kind of a situation like that. But that one seems to be – I don't think they realized the impact it was going to have.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1326.717

I think they were just trying to push a narrative that people are racist and we should not be racist. And it was like a good talking point for the Obama administration. but then it spread to transphobia and homophobia. It just went wild.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1408.391

They've destroyed the confidence that people have in America. They've destroyed the faith in America. People think that the American flag is racist or It's so crazy. It's so crazy. Schools will kick you out if you come in with an American flag t-shirt. Like, this is bananas.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1422.939

But yet pride flags are mandatory in some places.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1470.678

It's destroyed the meaning of words and it really opens the door for real racists. Like if you only have one word and the word is racist and you apply that word to anyone. Everyone.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1481.691

Anyone who disagrees with you. They apply it to Graham Hancock, the archaeologist.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1486.276

I had this fucking guy on, this Flint Dibble guy who's an archaeologist who literally wrote things implying that Graham Hancock's work empowers white supremacy. So stupid. And I asked him about it, and he was trying to skit around it and dance around it. But I've seen him do it online with other people, too. And this is a guy in Graham Hancock who's talking about ancient cultures.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

150.545

You can't bring back shame to lizard people.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1509.936

He's literally saying... We're talking about Egypt. No one's saying that white people built the pyramids. They're saying that they've been there longer than people think. That's it. By the same fucking people that lived there in Northern Africa. It's the same fucking people. No one's... No one is saying white people. There's no white people back, I mean, especially in that area.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1532.311

What are you talking about? It's not a white thing. It's Egyptians. It's Africans.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1537.374

But yet you can say racist and everybody's like, oh my God, they're racist.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1541.817

So crazy, dude. It's nuts, but it loses. The problem is there's real racists out there. There's fucking KKKs real. There's real white supremacists out there. And when you call a fucking archaeologist, you know, an amateur archaeologist, a racist, because he's like trying to say like, hey, maybe this stuff is older than we think it is.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1560.146

Well, now, what about the, what are you going to call the real, are they super racists? What are those? And what does this mean?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1578.739

They're trying to take away the notion that these ancient indigenous people constructed these things. But no one's saying that. Like he even implied that Graham has said something about aliens, which he definitely hasn't. He doesn't think aliens built it. They're misrepresenting the argument. And the argument is a fascinating one. And it's backed by actual science.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

159.553

It's weird because like, you know that David Icke stuff where he said they're all lizard people? I don't think they're really lizard people. I don't think they're really shapeshifters. But they do behave in a reptilian way. Like a corporation does. Like a psychopath.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1601.75

And the argument is there's a thing called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory that happened around 11,800 years ago.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1607.993

documented, proven, 100% real event. They know the dates that it happens because it happens every year. Was it November and June? Is that when the meteor, the Leonid meteor shower, is that what it is? So there's a comet shower that we pass through twice a year and every now and then a big chunk, like the Tunguska event,

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1628.453

The Tunguska event in the early 1900s, which flattened like a million acres in Siberia, is the exact same time period where we pass through this shower. So they believe that at 11,800 years ago, this impact... And this is proven by core samples that show high levels of iridium, high levels of this nuclear glass that happens on impacts. And they find this stuff...

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1655.308

All in the same area around 11,800 BC and then another one that's somewhere around 11,800 years ago rather and another one that's like 10,000 plus years ago. So they think there's like multiple events that took place over a few thousand years, which totally makes sense if we pass through this fucking shower all the time and it nuked a giant chunk of Siberia in the early 1900s.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1678.267

So all he's saying, all Graham Hancock is saying is we are a species with amnesia.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1726.413

Whoever did it, they had an insane level of sophistication that doesn't make any sense when you compare the rest of the world. The rest of the world at 2500 BC, which is the conventional date. Let's say that's correct. Just the conventional date. Graham Hancock thinks it was probably much earlier. But let's say the conventional date. No one else was doing anything like that. 2500 BC.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1747.825

Not even close. So what was going on there? Did they just have insane resources? Did they have so much food and water and they existed for thousands of years? Just like, look, we were talking about this. I had Brian Cox on yesterday. And we were talking about how if you go back literally 120 years ago, you have Wilbur and Orville Wright flying this bullshit-ass plane.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1768.593

Now 120 years later, you have Elon Musk and Starship X catching rockets on a fucking machine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1777.196

The kind of progress that you're looking at is fucking impossible to imagine.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1782.397

So imagine if these Egyptians had this same sort of situation where they had an established civilization, an established culture, plenty of food, plenty of resources, brilliant people, no war. And then they just start figuring stuff out, but on a different pathway instead of with like – engines and internal combustion and electronics, they go a different way.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1806.382

And we don't know what that way is, but it's totally possible that that way exists.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1876.731

Well, that's the case with Egypt. There's old kingdom and then there's new kingdom stuff. And when you go deeper into the sand, you find more complex buildings. Yeah, dude. Which is nuts. Bigger stones. Like, what? Crazy stuff, man. That Old Kingdom Egypt stuff is a specific style. And so, you know, maybe that was 11,800 years ago and then maybe 10,000 years ago is the other one.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1897.13

Like, we don't know. We don't know how old that stuff is.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1906.396

The Egyptians of Cleopatra's age. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But someone, you know, a long-ass time ago had knowledge of the constellations, had an understanding of how to point something to perfect due north, south, east, and west, and just the calculations that have to be involved in getting 2,300,000 stones to come to a perfect point. Crazy. Like, that's insane.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1929.508

And then some of them, they're moving these stones from 500 miles through the mountains. And then they have stones that are like 80 tons. And they're lifting them 300 feet onto the ceiling. Like, you tell me how they're doing this. How the fuck? How the fuck do we? How would we do that now?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

1962.653

And you see that all over the place. But you know, the thing is like craftsmen for like, if you go into like old houses and old churches, the craftsmanship is insane. Have you ever been to Vatican? No. No, that's on the list. Vatican's incredible. St.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

2039.491

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

207.135

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

2090.613

It's fucking crazy tall. But it's like everywhere you look is incredible, ornate craftsmanship. And, you know, that was a thing that people did. Like, show the inside. Look at that. Click on that. Look at that, man. The detail. Oh, my God. In real life, it blows your mind because you're just like, how? How long? What was the motivation? How did you get the money?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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Who did you steal all that money from? That is so crazy. Click on that other one, Jamie. Wow. Look at that. And then the one to the left of that, too. Look at that. Fuck, dude. And when you walk around in there, I mean, photos barely do it justice. Go to the one there in the right-hand side, Jamie, with all the people in it, right next to that to the right. Yeah, right there. Look at that one.

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So that gives you an understanding of the scale. You see all these people roaming around in it. It's fucking amazing. And so people were just really good at carpentry and craftsmanship back then. And it was a skill that was taught in school. How many sculptors are there today? It's probably a dying thing. It's probably very few actual sculptors.

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But back then, it was a real craft that you can get into. And especially, you know, you're doing all this stuff by hand. Like, they didn't even have power tools. Okay? So that whole thing was built without table saws, no band saws. It was all planers and hand chisels.

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Hand saws.

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We know the dates of that. We know the people that did it. That's all doable. It's especially doable over hundreds and hundreds of years of working on it, which is what we know that they did. When you get to things like the pyramid, all definitions kind of fall apart because there's too many stones.

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I think they said that they gave a timeline of something in the neighborhood of 20 years, the Pharaoh Khufu, his lifetime, and that in order to build that pyramid just within his lifetime, within his reign, which was like 20 years, you would have to place a stone every 30 seconds or something crazy like that. You have to cut, place, measure, and it would take 30 seconds per stone.

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And you have to round the clock.

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Do you think- Okay. I always thought Hinckley was a lone nut that was infatuated with Jodie Foster. So-

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Come on. That's where you and I part ways.

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I think you get the Joel Osteens who are in a giant fucking stadium because they want to make money. That's what religion has become a way to get tax-exempt status, and you can be a baller. You could be that Kenneth Copeland guy with fucking flying around on Tyler Perry's jet.

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Don't you say that I did. Crazy, dude. Fucking vicious, man. I feel bad for Jesus.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

2286.202

Yeah, that guy's not in Jesus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the thing is, like, how is... There's some scams that are legal. It's crazy. And televangelists is the best scam that's legal. Because it's legal. Start your own church. It's legal. You don't have to be a real righteous person. You don't have to be following the Bible. A lot of them are gay. They're fucking people left and right. Like...

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Remember Tammy Faye Baker and Jim Baker? Cuckings, just Cuckings. And Jessica Hahn. Remember that?

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Jessica Hahn, who wound up banging Sam Kinison, which is hilarious. The places you will go and the people you will see. I remember one time Sam Kinison was on Howard Stern and Jessica Hahn was calling in, you're a piece of shit. You're like, fuck you.

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Back then, those were national stories. Those were huge national stories. When I preach, like when Jimmy Swagger got caught with hookers. Yeah. I've seen. Yeah. Remember that? He was crying.

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2381.458

Oh, wow.

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Can I stop you right there? I hate when people say they're on a journey.

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Yeah, these are the good days until the election, then who the fuck knows what happens.

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2414.865

Cash reading the New Testament. Oh, so he was old. It was old Johnny Cash, 1990. It's the best.

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2442.151

I tried to say I read a book to Donnell Rawlings. I told him I read it on, I listened to it on audio tape.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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I was like, I absorbed the information. But you did not read it. That's fine, Kalen, too.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

2457.178

I haven't read a book in a long time. Well, because you're busy, dude. I read articles. I read science papers, but I don't read very many books. Most books I get in the sauna or I get on the way over to here.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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You have to learn how to absorb information. So it's like everything else. Like if you're talking to someone, but you're drifting, you know, you're not really thinking about that. You're like, oh, I got to do laundry. And then you start thinking stuff.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

2491.229

You're just looking for clues. Especially if you're talking to someone who's just talking at you. People that talk at you are so brutal because they're not really there with you. They just have a thing and they're pressing play. You just happen to be there. You happen to be there. And they're just drive-by shooting you. And they just want you to smile and make them look good. It's kind of weird.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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They don't really give a fuck what your opinions are. But if you're talking to one of those people, it's super easy to drift.

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You just start thinking about shit you got to do. Oh, yeah, I should probably do that. Oh, I forgot to call that guy.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

253.735

Barack Obama, the 10th cousin once removed of George W. Bush through Samuel Hinckley of Cape Cod. Holy shit.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

2532.289

We were trying to have a conversation about this in the green room the other day. All the different people, I go, listen, anybody doing this job is out of their fucking mind.

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Which is fine. It's okay to be out of your mind. My favorite people are out of their fucking mind. Just be a good person. Be out of your mind, but be nice. Be out of your mind, but be nice, be generous, be charitable. It's okay to be out of your mind, but you should also probably figure out a way to manage your mind.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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My way to manage my mind is cold plunges, workouts, saunas, brutalize myself, meditate. That way, when I do such difficult shit on my own, that the regular life, the difficulties of regular life are pretty passive. They're not that big of a deal. It's not like three minutes in 33 degree water.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

2576.406

It's not a kettlebell workout where you fucking think you're going to throw up. It's okay. Like jujitsu class, you're getting strangled. If you get through all that stuff, like regular life is easier. That's why like being on the couch is bad. Being on the couch is bad not because it's not great to be on the couch. I love to be on the couch.

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I love watching me a little Netflix, sitting down for a little shit.

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Shogun binge-watching it's fucking awesome, but it's too Comfortable and when that becomes your baseline then anything that's uncomfortable becomes difficult to handle because you're most of your day is like Relaxation and and sedentary lifestyle. That's not good for you. It's not good for your brain forget about your body Forget about vanity It's not good for the brain.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

262.822

I've never gone down the Hinckley rabbit hole. So John Hinckley, the guy who killed or shot, rather, Reagan, what was his deal? Was he MKUltra?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

2623.436

The brain needs, you need voluntary adversity so that life's adversity becomes normal. I'm sure you know military guys. I know, I have a lot of friends that have been in war. And those guys that have been in war have a completely different reaction to regular bullshit.

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Regular bullshit is not that big a deal to those guys. They're just like, this is just regular bullshit. This is easy day. Easy day. You know, because war is fucking crazy. And it's like, how much... How much have you seen? How much have you had to deal with? And that's why rich kids and spoiled kids, they have such a hard time navigating life. Look at Hunter Biden.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

2668.945

Look at that poor bastard. You know, if that guy was your dad, if your dad was a fucking vice president and he was never home, he'd probably be doing coke too. He'd probably be in Vietnam smoking crack with street hookers, taking pictures of your dick. Why not?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

2691.501

Well, I never looked, but congratulations. Well, yeah, I have to do research. Somebody asked me. They had a copy of the entire laptop. They said, do you want it? I said, no. I do not want that. Why do you want that? I do not want that. I don't want to be in possession of that. Yeah. But also, isn't it illegal? That's not yours. There's things on there that seem illegal.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

2711.179

Well, I'm sure there's activities that seem illegal, but isn't it illegal to be in possession of someone's private property that was copied without their knowledge? Yeah, I think so. I don't think that's illegal. Yeah, I think so. You don't want that. Yeah. So, you know, it's interesting. I don't want to interrupt you, but that's one of the dirtiest playbooks.

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When they inject child porn into someone's laptop.

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They do that one all the time.

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They do that one all the time.

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They just did that to the brother. Well, this is not true. Let me say this. You don't know how many people they do that to, but they have done it. Someone in some intelligence agency has dropped child porn into a person's computer. That's a fact. That's a real strategy. People have talked about it openly. People have been caught on tape talking about it.

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A little off.

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But people get busted and you're like, oh, how convenient that this guy got caught with child porn. Now everything he says you'll never listen to again. One of the guys that got caught with child porn was the brother of the guy who went to the golf course to try to kill Trump.

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What a coincidence that both of their brothers happen to be child molesters.

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Hey, that is the one most unforgivable thing of all time.

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If you have that on your fucking computer, everybody agrees you should be dead. Except some of these crazy professors now who are trying to make the term minor attracted persons.

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Everybody. I'll fight them all. I'll punch a lady. It's so crazy.

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Play games, football.

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First of all, why would you ever push anything sexual to people that haven't even come close to puberty?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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That makes no sense. It's gross. It's not just gross. It's disturbing, and we're also ignoring the fact that human beings are extremely malleable. You can convince people of all sorts of things. You can influence people to do all sorts of things. We know that. That's why cults exist, right? That's why you can get – why do you think they get little kids to become suicide bombers?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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Because they don't know any better. Try getting a 55-year-old guy with a – A wife and kids and a job to be a suicide bomber. He was like, what? Try getting some fucking guy in New Jersey that takes the train into Manhattan every day. Try to get that guy to be a suicide bomber. You're like, what the fuck are you talking about, man? I'm trying to pay my mortgage.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

29.485

Did you see this thing that the Biden administration pushed through? This new martial law thing? Yeah. This is very disturbing. Jamie, please... Google this so we can find out what the actual law states. But it's DOD Directive 5240.01, giving the Pentagon power for the first time in history to use lethal force to kill Americans on U.S. soil who protest government policies.

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I'm not blowing myself up. For what?

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And they really believe that they're going to go to heaven. They really believe that they're going to be martyrs. And then they have framed photographs. I remember there was this documentary where there was this school in the Middle East, and they were talking about today's students are tomorrow's holy martyrs.

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And it was printed on the wall, and in it they had photographs of various children that had blown themselves up. And they were wearing the vests. Oh.

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Bananas.

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But that's the playbook. The playbook is you get young people that don't know any better because they're easily influenced. So in the guise of all this woke shit, people have put aside what's fundamental about human nature. There's a reason why you don't let children get tattoos because they make poor decisions. So why are you letting them get their dick cut off?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

2983.549

Or cutting their breasts off, or taking hormone blockers. Oh, did you see the latest one? New York Times wrote about this. They did a study on hormone blockers for children, and they decided to not release the study.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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Because the study would empower people who, again, go to JK Rawlings.com. Tweet about this because she had the perfect response to this. Her response to this was so perfect. The whole thing is completely insane.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3014.043

If you're going to do a study that proves that hormone blockers are good for children and you find out it's not, the correct thing to do is say, hey, we just found something out and we shouldn't give hormone blockers to kids. Forget about it. This is just for happiness sake.

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We must not publish a study that says we're harming children because people who say we're harming children will use the study as evidence that we're harming children, which might make it difficult for us to continue to harming children.

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U.S. study on puberty blockers goes unpublished because of politics, doctor says. The leader of the long-running study said the drugs did not improve mental health in children with gender distress and that the findings might be weaponized by opponents of the care. And should be because they're not... Not only that, there's severe health consequences.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3060.707

Also, there's the other bullshit that you could just reverse them at any time. That's not true. You're using them during the developmental cycle of a child. During the developmental cycle of a child, it determines what their penis size is going to be.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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Some of these kids that they do it to, and then they try to have gender transition surgery, they don't have a penis that they can turn into a vagina, so they start using their rectal tissue. Oh. So then their artificial vagina smells like shit, literally, because it's made out of rectal tissue.

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And so there's all these online forums of people talking about the malodorous fake vaginas that they got from these operations. And then you have to keep it dilated.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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Well, I mean, maybe you could, if it was made out of a dick, maybe you can keep it from smelling like anything other than dick. It's going to smell like dick. It's made out of dick. Yeah, right. But it's like earrings. Damn, your pussy smells like dick. Like if you have a pierced ear, sometimes those holes seal up, right? So you have to keep a peg in there.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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You have to keep an earring in there in order to keep the hole open. Right. Otherwise it'll close up and you have to reopen it. They have to do that with their fake vaginas. They'll heal up.

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Crazy. What kind of parent is that? And it's a decision that's going to haunt them for the rest of their life if they don't agree with it. If they're unhappy with it, and there's a lot of detransitioners, a lot. And they get shunned. Oh, my God. They get attacked so hard. It's so crazy.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3180.208

Imagine someone that's been coerced into doing something horrible, ruining, they'll never have children again, ruin their life. They get older and they realize like, oh, I'm just a gay man. Now I don't have a dick. Or, oh, I'm just a girl who had autism and was confused. Now my breasts are removed and I have a deep voice. Forever. Forever. Forever. It's so tragic. Can't have children forever.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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Your life is ruined in the name of woke and not just that, but also in the name of money. This is where it gets fucked. Because when you look at the amount of money that's generated by this, like if you go back to like gender transition surgery places, like gender affirming care centers in like 2007, there's a couple. There's a few. Because there's always been transgender people.

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Now, is he an MKUltra guy, too, you think?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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There's always been people that have gender dysphoria. And then there's people that have autogynephilia. And the autogynephilia people are the people that are sexually aroused by the idea of dressing up like a woman, but they like women. And those are the fucking creeps that walk around women's bathrooms with hard-ons. Yeah, there was a swimmer they said that they had that. I'm sure.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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There's been a bunch of them like that. They get aroused by the idea of dressing up like a woman, but they're heterosexual. And so they're protected under the same banner. So you've empowered perverts and molesters to go into women's room. And stare at women while they're peeing with their dicks out. Yeah. You know, it's crazy.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3259.909

They get a kink out of walking around women's locker rooms with their hard-ons. And this is... Or their dicks out. But this is just one aspect of it. And then there's people that really do...

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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have a mind of a woman they're trapped in a man's body and maybe gender transition is the thing for them but they should be they should be like protected from making a poor decision while they're young yes 18 light yourself up like a christmas tree really shouldn't even be 18 or 21 24 whatever whatever it is whatever age we figure out yeah but people make especially men

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Their frontal cortex in a man doesn't even really fully evolve until they're like 25 years old.

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I think mine was 52.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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He's still alive? Is he still alive? 69 years old, getting fucked in jail. Wow. MKUltra shit is left and right, dude. The second gunman, not Mark David Chapman, may have shot John Lennon. Author claims. Oh, author claims. Those authors.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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Also, just imagine the people that you're associating with every day, the men who are pimping you out through these movies.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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That business got wiped out by the internet. Remember how there was all these bailouts of businesses? Isn't it funny that no one bailed out porn? Yeah, it's so crazy, dude. It's so crazy. Dude, I used to live in this gated community, real nice neighborhood. And there was a dude who lived down the street who actually did jujitsu with me. And he was a porn star.

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And he made porn films. And so he was loaded. This dude had a fucking fat Mercedes and a beautiful house. And his house was apparently just a playground. He was just balling out of control and producing porn. And then the internet came along and... Bang. House got repossessed, lost everything. Everybody went broke. They went from making millions every year to making zero dollars.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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I bet all that's done in a sneaky way. I bet all that's probably done in a sneaky way. I bet the companies don't even know what they're advertising for. I bet it's like a block of ad that goes to some conglomerate. I mean, you got to think of how much money must be involved in those streaming sites now.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3496.349

Because you're not paying attention to the fucking ads on the right-hand side because you're going full screen every time.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3508.999

In 2006, pornography industry generated $12 billion in annual revenue, which is more than the combined annual revenues of ABC, NBC, and CBS. In 2023, the pornographic website market in the U.S. is projected to be valued at $1 billion. So they lost $11 billion. That's crazy. That's with all the rebounding. That's the rebounding, right?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3531.036

So there was a complete devastation from 2006, which is right about the time that this fucking dude lost his house. I think he lost his house like 2008 or something like that. So once the U-porn and all that shit came along, it just took the fucking legs off of it.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3552.5

Oh, yeah, that's got to be off the charts. Yeah, that is crazy, too, and that's an interesting thing. But here's the thing. That is the most empowering way for porn stars, right? They get rid of the pimp. They get rid of the pimp. They get rid of the producers. They make their own revenue.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3566.389

And a lot of it is like boyfriends and girlfriends decide to film, you know, like fucking amateur stuff, and people love that stuff. And that is like an insane amount of money. And they're making it. They're making all of it, which that's the most reasonable.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3599.904

Yeah, there's definitely that. It's not always successful. That's for sure. The median income for OnlyFans creators is $4,995 a year, according to Keeper, a tax-following service for the freelance workers. However, it is likely some creators make a lot of money while others make none at all. So for the median to be $499, that means some girls are making $20. $5,000 basically.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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Yeah, some girls are making $20.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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They put clips up on Twitter. Yeah. Which is wild. The Twitter still Twitter during all the censorship still. Yeah. Full-on hardcore porn always on Twitter, which is really crazy that nobody pushed back against that. That never went away. And snuff films. It's so crazy to me. That's a lot of Instagram. Instagram is a lot of murder. I watched a guy today get stomped to death.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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That same video, the guy got stomped to death by the elephant. I had to watch it again. What the fuck, man? Dude, it is crazy.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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So many people die. I can't get away from it. Red Band got me turned on to the ladies who find the loophole to show their tits by breastfeeding fake babies. So they have this big juicy tit, and this hot girl in a sundress pulls out this big juicy tit and sticks it in the mouth of a rubber baby, and you're like, hey.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3745.49

Well, they probably don't have a lot of plastic over there. The part of it is reproductive cycles are being devastated by plastic.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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Remember that movie that was ridiculous? Everybody was like, that's crazy.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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I mean, it's going to get to a point where abortion rights are going to be moot. It's not really important because nobody can have kids.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3774.386

It's weird because this is what happens in industrialized civilizations anyway. So whenever you have like cities, what happens is women enter the workforce so they have children later. And then men want to have children later as well because everybody's focusing on the career. And then you have IVF centers and everything because people are too old to have kids.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3792.653

They're late 30s like, oh, my God, we have to do something to have a kid. We don't have any time. Freeze the embryos. Do whatever we got to do. And so it's normal for third world countries to have more kids. You know, that's always been the case because you need children because you need children to help you work.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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You know, if you're working on a farm or ranch or you need kids and then you get to cities and people like, well, the wife wants a career as well. And, you know, birth rates always drop. But you get to places like Japan or South Korea. It's crazy. They're catastrophic.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3826.506

Nobody wants to hook up with the bitches. Well, it's not even that, man. It's work. It's work. You know, especially in South Korea. You know, they're very hardworking. It's a very hard work ethic. And the population drop is so bad that it's something crazy. Like one out of 100 people today will have grandchildren. Yeah. Something bananas like that.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

3919.776

Well, isn't OnlyFans almost kind of like hitting the lottery plus shame? Right? It's like you got money that's coming out of nowhere, so you're going to burn through it, likely. You're probably not going to be the best business person. Maybe you are. Maybe you're investing it. Maybe you know how to change your identity.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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Google what Sam said about OnlyFans in Miami.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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I always say you should have a passport to go to Miami. That is not America. That is a wild country.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

4009.681

That's like Texas ladies. Yeah. There's beautiful women out here and they don't need any attention. I love Texas. They're not trying to get famous. They're just being normal people. They want a family.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

4020.468

Well, that was one of the main things that was appealing to me when I first started looking at Austin. When I would come here, I'm like, these people are so normal. They're nice. They're just nice people. They're ideal. They're just living their life. You get so used to that Hollywood warrior. I hate it.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

4035.278

That Hollywood weird world, that way of behaving and thinking, it's all wrapped around narcissists. It's all wrapped around the entertainment business and it's all wrapped around these people that dictate whether or not you work. These overseers of the industry. Yeah.

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You and I were in a tire shop.

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We would just be making each other laugh and we'd be constantly getting fired.

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Well, also, we were undercover, right? Because even though I was on TV, nobody knew who the fuck I was in 98. It was like we were just kids. We were just young guys in this wild business, and we couldn't believe we were working in Hollywood, working at the comedy store. And then all these celebrities come by. You see Quentin Tarantino there and Dr. Dre there. You're like, what the fuck?

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This is crazy. Couldn't even believe it was real. Dice Clay's there. Like, what?

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But the reason why they did that is because they had this erroneous idea that you wouldn't sell tickets in LA if your name was at the comedy store. People knew they could see you at the comedy store. Why would they go see you at the forum?

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And I was always like, who says who?

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This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Call of Duty. You know, when a new Call of Duty drops, everyone's trying to find a way to squeeze in those extra hours of gameplay. I get it. Life is busy. But sometimes, you just need it.

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That was like 94 to like 2003.

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that was there during that time has gone on to do amazing things they're all over netflix their podcasts are huge because we were allowed to just bomb with dignity we were allowed to experiment yes which is so important for creating comedy you got to take chances and you got to try things and if you're just trying to kill all the time you're going to do your best material always and the store kind of got to be that yes for a while like 2000 before covid

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Yeah, 14 on, the problem was it was packed every night. When I came back, all of a sudden it was like the new gold rush. And it was every night, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, two shows, three shows, sold out. Everything was sold out.

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Amazing crowds. Enthusiastic comedy fans. It was because they were internet comedy fans. It became like a different thing. Because before it was like, ah, let's go see comedy. They didn't give a fuck about comedy. So if you got a laugh, you earned that fucking laugh. Yeah, yep. The way I always say is the store goes through these different eras, right? So it went through the Richard Pryor era.

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When Richard Pryor was filming Live in the Sunset Strip in the early 80s, this was the thing. You'd go see Richard Pryor at the Comedy Store. And I'm sure the Comedy Store, from everybody like Dom Herrera and people I talked to, was hopping back then. And then there was the Kinison era. And then Kinison, I think around 88, got banned from the store.

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And something happened, and I don't know what he did. He probably shot somebody or something. I know he shot one of the signs. Oh, yeah. In the back, in the parking lot.

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Leave it there. So then after that, there was this giant drop-off. That's when I came along. I came along in 94. There was no one there. It was like I had heard about the comedy store was Mecca. When I lived in Boston, everybody was like, the comedy store. Richard Pryor, Sam Kinison, Dave Letterman, Bill Hicks, comedy store, the comedy store. It was like this magnet you had to get to.

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I got to get to the comedy store. And then when I got there, I was like, what? It was like Bodax. It was like the leftovers, the people that were around in the 70s and the 80s, but never, they were lazy, they were fucked up, they never got their shit together, and they had these terrible acts. And I remember being there and the crowd was like non-existent. No one was there.

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I was like, wow, this is the comedy store. And it was like that. For a couple years. For many years. Well, you came in 98. It was like that in 98. So it was 94 till around the internet. And then the internet started getting the comedy store packed again because we were all on like only, not OnlyFans, MySpace.

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We're all advertising shows on MySpace and that got the, Dane Cook led that, right? Dane Cook changed the game, I always say. That was like 2002-ish. somewhere around then, 2002, 2003. That's when it really fucking kicked in. And then Fear Factor was huge. So then my name was in the marquee back then. So then it was packed again. And then it was internet fans. So it was a totally different vibe.

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It was like a really fucking good time. But then 2007, I left and I'm like, fuck this place. And then it dropped off again.

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You know, if you threw Joey up in the show, first of all, whoever goes on after Joey's in real trouble, but also like- You learn a lot about yourself. Oh, yeah. It's an education. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially Joey in the OR. Joey in the OR was almost impossible to follow. And then on top of that, like all the taboos have been destroyed. Yes.

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He just did 15 minutes on eating ass and shoving his nose in someone's ass. Doing the pigeon. And destroyed the room. People couldn't breathe. They were laughing so hard they couldn't breathe. People were knocking drinks over the table, falling onto the ground. It was normal to see people fall on the ground when Joey was on stage.

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But the thing is, it's like all the taboos were shattered and you could just have fun. You know, you could just do anything. You could just have a good time.

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You could have done a set.

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Kill Tony in Madison Square Garden was so insane. So for me, it was so emotional. I had to be there because I was there when he was doing it in front of 18 comics in the belly room. Yes, I was there too. No audience. I was a frequent guest. And it was just fun. It was just a thing we would do. We'd fuck around. And I thought it was a great workshop for comedy.

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And I thought it was a great way for these amateurs, these people that are doing one minute, to kind of get feedback from guys like Dom Herrera and to kind of figure out how to do comedy. It's a little bit of a training wheel for doing comedy. Also, tremendous pressure, even back then. But imagine, someone went up in Madison Square Garden. It was their first time on stage.

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Where do you go from there? You don't. You don't. The bombing was horrendous. But 16,000 people and rabid Kill Tony fans in front of this amazing band now. And you got Dice Clay's there. Shane Gillis is there. Mark Norman. I mean, it's fucking bananas. All my favorites. It was bananas. Dave Attell. It was incredible.

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It was fucking amazing.

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Well, they're also afraid of not getting gigs. So the problem with L.A. is that even the comics that were really good at one point in time, they started getting TV gigs. Yes. And then they backed off. They backed off what they did. And I felt that. When I was on news radio, my fucking producer said to me, he goes, why are you still doing comedy? You're an actor now. I was like... Oh, no.

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My immediate thought was like, oh, no. Like, I could get stuck here doing this. I was just doing this for money. I was doing this because I couldn't believe someone would pay me $25,000 a week. I was like, what are you talking about? That's insanity. I was like, oh, my God, I'm a baller. It was 1994. I was like, this is crazy. Young Joe. I'm 26 years old, and I'm making this insane amount of money.

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Like, this is nuts. And so I went from that to this realization that this could be a trap. And I was like, oh, no, I'm doubling down. I'm going to get after it. I'm going to really, really get after it with comedy. I'm going to do the same kind of comedy. And I've thought about that during the Fear Factor days too. And I'm like, if I lose Fear Factor because of comedy, so be it. But I am not –

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Which is why I wanted to do it live. I was like, fuck it. Let's do it live.

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Let's do it like fucking Bill O'Reilly.

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We'll do it live.

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Man, the replacer always gets it done. Seriously, though, if you're hooked on Call of Duty, this is your time to jump in. Head over to callofduty.com slash blackops6 to get in the game. Call of Duty Black Ops 6, available now. Rated M for Mature. This episode is brought to you by the Farmer's Dog. Dogs are amazing. They're loyal. They're lovable.

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But you know what it made me realize? That I could do more in regular comedy. I could work more. I could work harder. You know, you remember the movie Mo' Better Blues?

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I loved that movie. One of the things I loved about that movie was, like, the discipline that Denzel Washington's character had. Like, his girlfriend's trying to fuck. He's like, no, no, no, I got to practice. I got to practice. I'm like, I don't even practice. I was thinking that. I'm like, I hardly practice. I hardly write.

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I write occasionally. Back then, especially. I write a lot more now. But I would write occasionally. I'd sit down and write. When I got ready for the special, I was writing every day. And I was going over my bits every day. I was listening to them. I was writing them down. I was writing them out the day of the show. I respect that. I had done them thousands of times.

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But I was writing them out the day of the show. I was listening to recordings. I watched a film of the recording. I was like, I am going to be dialed the fuck in. And then when I did it, I was like, why don't I do this all the time? If I did that all the time, everything would be so much better.

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Well, one day I'll probably disappear. But what I'm doing is exactly the amount I can do. So I have it in a good situation. Right. So my situation is I work out in the morning while my kids are at school. I come here. I do the podcast. And then I do stand up at night when everybody's going to bed. And that's what I did in L.A. too.

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Like a lot of those shows that I did, like Joe Rogan and Friends show I did in the main room, I did them at 10 o'clock. And the reason I did it at 10 o'clock is my kids are already in bed. So it's perfect. I have dinner, hang out with the family, go, and then I write late at night because that's when I'm the most juicy.

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When I come home from a show and my brain's fired up, you know, and I can sit in front of that computer and... Maybe I said one thing that I think could be something, and then I'll just listen to that thing, and I'll just start writing. And I've gotten so much out of that, and it made me angry that I didn't do it more often.

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Because some of the best bits that I've come up with over the last couple of years have all been stuff that I actually wrote. Not just ideas that came to me that I fleshed out on stage. And I've had some of those that became bangers. But the sitting down and writing things out and trying to get my perspective. And some lines that were just...

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We lost a lot of people during COVID and most of them are still alive. I love that. I wrote that. I was like, that's exactly what it is. We lost those people. But that came out of writing. A lot of these things that I was writing out, I took chunks of them and that became the bits. And I was like, God damn it. I got to be more focused. So doing that live special really lit a fire under my ass.

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Edibles changed all that for him.

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And I'm like, yeah, dude, that's the fucking, that's the steroids of comedy.

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Listen, you don't have to. You don't have to do drugs. No, I don't want to. You can stay on this path and be incredibly creative without drugs. It's just some people drugs are not good for. Just like some people shouldn't eat peanuts.

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You know, that's 30 more minutes than you would have done if you didn't add that up. That's fucking hours in a week. And you add that up to jokes. You're going to have 10 minutes here, five minutes there.

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Five good minutes a month is amazing. And then you have a whole hour at the end of the year.

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That's incredible.

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Think about that. If you have five good minutes a month, you have 12 months out of the year, you're going to have 50 fucking minutes. Maybe when you trim it down, maybe a little less. But that's pretty fucking good. That's pretty goddamn good.

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What is in those fucking things? I don't know, bro. I think there's steroids in those things.

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I'm sure people, I mean, Red Band's talked about gas station boner pills. Forever. Forever. He was the fucking, the guinea pig. He would get the different ones. He'd be mad when the gas station ran out of them. And he was telling me the scam, how what would happen is they would test these things. They'd find out there's Viagra in them and a bunch of other shit.

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And so then they'd pull them off the market, and then they would just come up with a new company name and then sell the same shit. Thank God. And it was like instead of Rhino, it was Steel Rhino and Iron Rhino and Golden Rhino. But they're so powerful, bro. But how crazy is that that that was a thing for a long time was gas station boner pills.

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I never touched them.

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I thought about it. There was a couple of times. I loved it. You know? A couple of times. But I liked the throttle, dude. I was in a weak state of mind. I saw that stack there while I was buying a pack of gum. I'm like, huh, nope. I'm not going to do it. You know what I was scared of? I was scared I'd love it and I'd want to do them all the time. Also, you really were taking a risk.

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You didn't know what was in those. Let's find this out. How many people died from gas station boner pills? Because it's not zero. Zero. It's not zero. There has to be some guys that died. That has to suck. That has to suck.

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That guy got fucked more than 100 times before that one horse killed him. Isn't that crazy?

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In the video, Mr. Hands, that's not even the one he died. He died in a different video. What? That video was successful. That was the good times?

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What the good times, bro? Yeah, when that horse nuts in his ass, and you look at that thing going up into his body cavity, and you're like, how?

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That's in his throat. That dick was my arm. Probably longer than my arm. That was a giant dick. But apparently, dudes are fisting, and they're really getting up in there. That's another Instagram rabbit hole I went down. Hold on, hold on.

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No, no, no. They're talking about it. Oh, okay. Guys are talking about how far they get in there and how they couldn't believe it until they met the right queen. They could really get in there. How many people have died from gas station boner pills? Let's guess. I'm going to say 1,200. Really? Yeah. 1,200 deaths, gas station boner pills. All time.

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Probably Pfizer. Pfizer's like, don't take that, take our shit. Which is probably actually the smart thing to do.

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I'm a wild boy.

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I don't know what it looks like. John McAfee, the guy who invented antivirus software, he was cooking up his own meth. Allegedly, I say this with all due respect, rest in peace. He was a guest on the podcast one day, by the way. Great. When he was running from the law, he was a guest on the podcast. He called in. It was a fascinating conversation.

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But John McAfee allegedly had a lab in his backyard, a very sophisticated lab because he's a genius, and had an online forum that he was posting at and detailing how he was making all this with photographs and showed the lab and everything. And then later, I think they caught him that it was actually him, and he was saying, don't you understand parody? This is a joke. I don't do meth.

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Come on, guys. But he seemed like he was doing meth.

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He wiped up a hooker.

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Product recall announcement. Neptune Resources.

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Let's find out whatever. That Kratom stuff is fucking sketchy.

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Gas station heroin. So this stuff, oh, it's an opioid agonist with opioid agonist effects. What does that mean? For the elderly? Four to nine hours. Jesus Louises. So people are just drinking this stuff in gas station? Gas station heroin. Here are eight things to know. God, this is a new thing. They have pills, too?

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Described before it became available as gas station heroin, tineptine was prescribed to treat depression in dozens of countries. Now, U.S. poison control centers are reporting a dramatic spike in cases involving it, a drug that isn't FDA approved and one that authorities warn possesses overdose and dependency risk. Well, that Kratom stuff definitely has overdose and dependency issues. Yeah.

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I have a buddy of mine who's in treatment. He's in recovery. And he was taking Kratom. And they were actually, they had this one company. And it's in pills. And he gives me some. So what does it do? It was years ago. It's great. You know, it's great for pain relief. And when you have it in low doses, it actually acts as a stimulant. And in higher doses, it does different things. And so I try it.

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I was like, wow, this stuff's weird. This is interesting. What was the high? It's a weird high. It's interesting.

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It's not much. It's like a little pick-me-up for a couple of pills. And so then I go, he tells me he takes it before he works out. I go, how many do you take? He's like, I take 10. What? I go, you take 10? I go, okay, what's that like? I'll try 10. So I take 10.

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I was high as a kite. I was like, you are not in recovery. You are high. This isn't coffee. Because two was like a mild stimulant. I was like, oh, this is interesting. Ten was like, but it was interesting because I didn't lose any motor control function. So I worked out when I took the ten. And I went and hit the bag. I was like, that way I'll know. Like if my motor function is off, not at all.

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Nothing was off. So hand-eye coordination was perfect. Everything was the same. No, it wasn't drunk. It wasn't high where you're like, oh, man, I'm fucking high. It was like, what is this? Some completely different pathway, but didn't affect my motor skills, which I thought was really interesting. Because I worked out, but I was like, I am high as a kite. And I called him.

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I'm like, bro, you are not in recovery. I'm like, you are high. Yeah, that's so weird. You're so high. This is so... Whatever that is, I don't know what the dose was with 10 of these fucking pills. It was... I was really high.

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Oh, zine. Yeah, they can get you.

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And I'm not just talking about breeds. From their size to their personality to their health, every dog is unique. Plus, precise portions can help keep your dog at an ideal weight, which is one of the proven predictors of a long life. Look, no one, dog or human, should be eating highly processed foods for every meal. It doesn't matter how old your dog is.

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No, it's just nicotine. Straight nicotine. But there's a company called Pablo, and they have a 50. Here's a 12. I'm going to pop a 12 now. Let's go.

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I might get hiccups. I'm not going to throw up. But there's a company called Pablo's that have a 50.

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No, no threes.

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I might have threes. No, these are threes. This is a company called Athletic Nicotine. These are great. This is the perfect amount, in my opinion, to stimulate your mind before writing and before you go on stage or podcast.

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You tell me.

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I'm not scared.

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Oh, interesting. Antidepressant, nootropic.

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Hmm.

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Whoa.

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Yeah, that sounds bad. Callan found out that that company that Kevin James recommended, you know, that company Trinity Gold. Trinity Gold has acetaminophen in it and two other pain relievers that are banned. Yeah. Callan made a big video about it because he contacted me. So this is interesting. Kevin James told me about it because Chris Weidman told him about it.

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What are they expecting?

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Chris Wyman, UFC fighter, said, I'm using this. It's great. My joints feel great. And it's all natural. Oh, shoot. For joints, I need joint stuff. Yeah. Don't take this stuff. Trinity Gold contains, scroll up so I can read that, hidden drug ingredients. Food and Drug Administration is advising consumers not to purchase or use Trinity Gold, a product promoted and sold for joint and muscle pain.

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FDA laboratory analysis confirmed that Trinity Gold contains acetaminophen, Diclofenac and phenylbutazone. So Diclofenac and phenylbutazone are banned and they're fucking very dangerous. So here it is.

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Diclofenac is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, may cause decreased use of cardiovascular events such as, excuse me, increased risk of cardiovascular events such as heart attack and stroke as well as serious gastrointestinal damage including bleeding, ulceration, and fatal perforation of the stomach and intestines.

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The hidden drug ingredients may also interact with other medications and significantly increase the risk of adverse events such particularly when consumers use multiple non-steroidal anti-inflammatory-containing products. So, fenbutazone is another non-steroidal anti-inflammatory that was discontinued for human use in the United States due to the risk of serious and life-threatening injuries.

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The most serious and life-threatening injury associated with fenbutazone treatment is bone marrow toxicity.

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Which occurs when the body does not produce enough red blood cells, white blood cells, and or platelets. Certain types of bone marrow toxicity are reversible. However, in rare circumstances, it can lead to death. And so why would you take this? So Chris Weidman was under the impression that all the stuff in this was natural.

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He got it from this other guy, the guy who manufactures it, and he's in business with this guy. So Chris is now doing independent studies on his own to try to send other versions of it to the lab. The guy apparently is saying that he thinks someone sabotaged his product by putting shit in it and then getting it to the FDA and having the FDA test it.

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But another possibility is that this guy is a piece of shit.

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It'll be resolved. We'll find out. But in the meantime, Kevin James, who was taking it, as soon as Brian texted me, I text Kevin. I go, hey, that stuff you're talking about, look, this is what's in there. He's like, holy shit. Damn.

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And then they get popped for steroids or for some- That's awful. Yeah, it's terrible. Especially when, like Khalil Roundtree, it was DHEA, which isn't even a performance-enhancing supplement. It's just a natural supplement, but it's banned. So he got popped for that. And he turned himself in because he found out that the substance was in a supplement they were giving him.

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And he was like, hey, you fucking idiot. This shit's banned. That sucks. So he only got a temporary ban. It was only a couple of months because it was clear that, A, it was not going to have a performance enhancing effect. And, B, he was very transparent. And, in fact, he reported it.

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But there's a lot of guys who get popped because they'll buy some shit from, you know, GNC and they think it's, you know, oh, it's fucking muscle builder. But meanwhile, there's steroids in those things. It's crazy. I feel so bad for those guys. Well, when we were first making Alpha Brain, we were making it, you know, what happens is

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You have a bunch of ingredients, you have a proprietary blend that is your supplement, whatever you're making. And so all these ingredients in AlphaBrain were shown to enhance cognitive function, and so we combined them, we did a bunch of different versions of it, came up with one, double-blind, placebo-controlled, tested at the Boston Center for Memory, finds out it worked.

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We spent a lot of money to make sure this is legit. But the company that was making it makes a bunch of other shit, too. And so we started doing third-party testing of our own product, and we're finding vitamins in there and creatine, shit that's not supposed to be in there. That was just in there because they didn't clean the vats. Yeah.

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So they're making steroids in one thing, and then they clean it out, and then they're making gas station dick pills in the next one. They clean it out. They're not cleaning them.

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The peanut allergy is so dangerous, they don't even let people eat peanuts on planes anymore because the dust from eating peanuts gets in the air and people can get sick.

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6124.475

Oh, yeah.

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No, no, no, no, no. I remember being stuck in the back because that was the only place I could get a seat was in the smoking section back when people did smoke on planes. That was in the back? Yeah, it was in the back. The back was the smoking section where the toilet was. So you'd smell shit and cigarettes the entire flight. Yeah, no, that thing didn't work.

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6158.298

I mean, maybe their ventilation systems weren't as good back then, but there was smoke everywhere back there. See if you can get a photo of the smoking section on an airplane in like the 1980s.

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I remember we'd get in planes even in the 90s and there were still ashtrays in them.

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Time traveler. I'm a fucking time traveler. That's Alex Jones' dad. Look at all these people smoking. Crazy. Smoking section of a plane. It looks fairly smoke-free. They probably had some ventilation back then. So this is 84 in Miami. Is this when they were, this guy's smoking and they're interviewing him on the plane. Is this when they were trying to ban it?

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Hmm. Let's take a guess. I'm going to say 94. What do you say?

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Yeah, so seven years. Congressional action in 1987 led to a ban on in-flight smoking and 88 airlines based in the United States banned smoking on domestic flights of less than two hours. So more than two hours you could smoke, which was extended to domestic flights of less than six hours in 1990 and to all domestic and international flights in 2008. International flights, 2,000.

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Pilots were allowed to continue smoking after the 1990 ban due to concerns over potential flight safety issues caused by nicotine withdrawal in chronic smokers. Yo! Due to prohibition of smoking, whatever they need to do to land them. Yeah, give them a fucking patch. The U.S.

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Federal Aviation Administration regulations mandate that functioning ashtrays be conspicuously located on the doors of all airplane bathrooms. This is because there must be a safe place to dispose of a lit cigarette if someone violates the no smoking rule. That's why they're there. 1990, Air Canada adopted non-smoking policy on all of its routes.

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94, Canada was the first country to ban smoking on all flights operated by Canadian carriers, which also covered charter flights, but not foreign airlines flying to Canada. Wow. So basically 2000s, and they wrapped it all up. Which I'm happy about. Yeah. You could still smoke in restaurants then. Wow. I remember the Addison Improv used to still have smoking. We'd come from L.A.

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And in the early days, the comedy store, they had smoking.

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In the 90s, you could smoke indoors. And I remember Drew Carey, of all people, Barney's Beanery, they put a ban on smoking in all restaurants and bars in Los Angeles. And Drew Carey was protesting it. Matt's nuts.

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He was one of the people. The idea was that you're going to kill the business, and you're going to also... Freedom. People know that you can smoke there. If you don't want to go to a place that's smoky, don't go there. Yeah. But the thing you have to think about is... But now you can smoke weed into it. Yeah. 1998 Reason Smoke-In with Drew Carey. Yeah.

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I remember Drew Carey was like an outspoken guy about all this.

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And he's smoking. He's smoking at Barney's Beanery. I guess he was a smoker. I didn't know he was a smoker.

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All the libertarians show up. But it's all they were like, hey, we've always smoked. Don't take away our freedom. But the thing you have to take into consideration is waitresses and bartenders. Yes. Those people die from lung cancer because of secondhand smoke. Because if you're only breathing in smoke, the whole place is smoke. All the time. Yeah. Do you remember that gig we did in Toronto? Yeah.

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64.457

Is that what it is? Did I tell you what it is? I'm sorry. 5-2-4-0.01. DOD directive. This is from RFK Jr. Posted this on Twitter, and I'm finding out about it because... People are blowing me up about it. That's fucking terrifying. That is a terrifying thing to push through for the first time in U.S. history, giving the military the ability to shoot and kill American citizens.

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Oh, yeah. The weed gig.

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The entire room was filled with weed smoke to the point where you literally could barely see. Like you weren't breathing air. You were breathing weed smoke.

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Guys who didn't smoke pot would go there. I don't think you were smoking pot at the time. Guys who didn't smoke pot would go there and be obliterated by the time they did their set. They couldn't remember their jokes. They were confused and anxious and fucking scared.

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Well, I think Canada is experiencing a lot of people that are rebelling against the tyrannical government. The government is so bad now in Canada you can't post links to stories. So they did it in a very sneaky way, saying that these social media companies have to compensate the media outlets that have the thing. But the thing is, it's like a lot of them are just links.

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You can't even post a link to a story in the New York Times.

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I think they did it in a sneaky way. They did it in a sneaky way saying that this is financially unfair to these media corporations who are suffering. I mean, that is true. There's a reason why they have to make these horrible clickbait ads and the reason why editors put clickbait stories and headlines online. It's because they just need people to click on the links. They're fucking starving.

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They're all going under. The LA Times just fired a bunch of people. Newspapers are barely hanging in.

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No, it does, for sure. This is my point. My point was, the premise of it seemed reasonable. more people need to go to Canada Times, wherever the fuck it is, to get their information. They shouldn't be going to Twitter or Facebook. And so to make people go to these websites to get their news, we're going to stop all of the ability to take these things and post them.

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But what you're really doing is you're stopping awareness. Yes. Because people aren't going to be able to filter out all... Like back in the day when we would just read newspapers... You had to be a fucking real nut to get into the Kennedy assassination. Right. You had to be a real nut. You had to be reading books. Yes. You had to really get into it.

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Somebody had to tell you about it, and you went and got the book. Yes. And you didn't get anything from the internet. There was no internet. So it didn't exist. So you would have to get a physical newspaper to read it. And most people only read the stuff in the beginning of the sports page. So you read the first couple of pages, see if you're going to die. Are we going to die?

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What's going on in Saudi Arabia? What's going on in Yemen? And then once you get past that, you get to the sports and you read the comics or whatever. And that was why we were so uninformed. We were grossly uninformed because most people... We were naive. Right. Very. And now... Most of the news I get is from links. Most of the news I get is, you'll send me a link.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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Alex Jones will send me something. Someone will send me something. Michael Malice will send me something. I get stuff from Dave Smith. Great resources. I get stuff from people sending me something, and then I go to Twitter, and I find things, and I send it to them. Twitter's great. And we all send each other stuff. And this has greatly increased people's awareness of things like this.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

6637.381

This fucking martial law bill that they passed through, who fucking would have known about that? Who would have known that the government made a decision to make lethal force from the military something they can use on citizens that are protesting?

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Oh, this is the martial law thing? Mm-hmm.

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6669.63

Well, it says a reissued Department of Defense directive that documents procedures around when there is potential use of lethal force against Americans. Subset of these rumors allege directive to be suspiciously timed with the coming election. Yeah. Kind of.

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Myriad and evolving rumors rely upon speculation about the motivations behind the changes to the DOD directive and perceive differences between this new document and existing documents. This sounds a little bit like they're trying to minimize this.

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6706.474

Right. But the bottom line is this is, for the first time in history... where they have pushed this directive, and it is happening during an election, and it is a thing where they're now saying you can use lethal force on protesters. So all these things, you're trying to gaslight people into thinking this is not a big deal. This is a gigantic deal.

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Yes.

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676.476

Which one was 72? Was that McGovern? I think that was when Hunter S. Thompson wrote Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail. McGovern and Nixon. Yeah. That was the one where Nixon won by the largest margin in history because McGovern's running mate, turns out he was cuckoo and had gotten electroshock therapy.

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Which, if there are domestic terrorists, we should have a movement to stop domestic terrorism. But when you have agent provocateurs who infiltrate these organizations and then turn them into terrorist organizations so that they can go in and shut these protest organizations down, that's when things get dirty. And that seems like that's what happened 20 years ago.

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6817.83

It's so crazy. We're working with the FBI. 12 out of 14, these two losers who got roped into it. And then there's that kid, the 19-year-old kid who they talked into detonating that fake bomb. You know that kid? Yeah. I believe that was in Dallas. So they take this young, stupid kid, and they...

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fucking radicalize him, and then they give him a cell phone and tell him, press these buttons and that bomb will go off. They give him the fake bomb. Bomb doesn't work. He does it, and they're like, we got you.

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6878.637

So this place was training. New Mexico compound suspects were training children for school shootings, prosecutors say. 2018. What?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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The five suspects accused of abusing 11 children at a New Mexico compound were training them to commit school shootings, prosecutors said Wednesday. The defendants were to be released from custody. There's a substantial likelihood defendant may commit new crimes due to his planning and preparation activities. for future school shootings, the court documents said.

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The filings did not provide further details about the alleged training. The makeshift compound appeared to have a shooting range on the property and loaded firearms were found on the property, authorities said. A foster parent of one of the children also said the defendant had trained the child in the use of assault rifle in preparation for future school shootings. Whoa.

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But if you get into... Wait a minute, an imam was a part of this? Scroll up a little bit. Wahaj's father, Imam Siraj Wahaj. How do you say that? Wahaj? Dude, if you can't say it, I can't say it. A New York imam has said he has no knowledge of the alleged training, said spokesman Imam Al-Hajj Tlaib Wahaj. Abdur Rashid, the imam, was the first Muslim to offer an opening prayer before the U.S.

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House of Representatives. Oh, how convenient. The Muslim Alliance in North America said he's also a character witness for a convicted 1993 World Trade Center bombing mastermind, Omar Abdel Rahman.

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700.211

Didn't tell anybody about it. Did you ever see the press conference when he announces it? Bro, the dude looks like he just got out of the pool. He's fucking sweating. You thought Tim Walsh was a bad VP. This guy, they're like, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't be the vice president.

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And that's something that people are super reluctant to admit to despite the overwhelming amount of evidence. But if you go, how are you doing with that three? You all right?

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Schlemming game. Yeah. Cigarettes are a wild one, because if someone's willing to smoke cigarettes, they're probably willing to do a lot of wild things.

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It's bad choices. Federal jury convicts four New Mexico compound defendants in connection with kidnapping and terrorism plot. Is this the same one? Wow. Kidnapping and terrorism.

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According to evidence presented at trial and other publicity available court records, or publicly available court records, in December, Siraj Wahaj unlawfully abducted his three-year-old son from his wife in Alabama, Leaville, Alabama.

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And the defendants had formed the belief that the child was her son and was possessed by demons. The group took the child to New Mexico, depriving him of his medication and the loving care of his mother and subjected him to an exhausting regimen of daily spiritual exorcisms. Some kid. The child died fewer than two weeks after arriving in New Mexico before investigators say any knowledge.

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So this is a lot of wild shit going on over this place. Armed with 11 firearms, including AR-15, Bushmaster, assault rifle, high-capacity magazines, and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, the group conducted weapons and tactical training and required some of the children to do so as well.

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The group conducted the training with the intent to face the nation and kill those who refused to believe as they did. They spoke of waging jihad and becoming martyrs. Oh, fun. I wonder how many of them have snuck in through the border, kids.

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7150.039

Oh, yeah, man.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7151.78

We won the lottery, dude. We won the lottery. Yeah, we certainly did. It's crazy to me, dude. It is crazy.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7185.493

I mean, this is back from War is a Racket, the Smedley Butler thing that he wrote in the 1930s. This is a guy who was a famous general. And after it was all over, he realized like his entire, all his years of service.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7215.063

Jesus Christ. How crazy is that? There's been a few of those organized over the years, which is fucking terrifying. But this is just like what happens whenever people are in power, especially unchecked power. And this whole term, the deep state, people want to think of that as a conspiracy theory. Okay, you have elected officials. Elected officials have to get elected.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7234.768

But the people that run intelligence agencies don't have to get elected, and they have massive access to money. And power. And power. And they don't want to leave that position. The business plot called the Wall Street Putsch. Putsch? How do you say that? Putsch? P-U-T-S-C-H? Putsch?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7257.186

Okay. The White House political conspiracy in 1933 in the United States to overthrow the government President Franklin D. Roosevelt and install Smedley Butler as dictator. Butler, retired Marine Corps Major General.

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testified under oath that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans organization with him as its leader and use it as a coup d'etat to overthrow roosevelt in 1934 butler testified under oath before the united states house of representatives special committee on un-american activities the mccormick dickinson's dickstein dickstein what an unfortunate name

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committee on these revelations although no one was prosecuted the congressional committee final report said there is no question that these attempts were discussed were planned and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient holy fuck man holy fuck right

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7346.329

And also, if you think back then, there was no access to information. So they could do all this stuff like the assassination of Kennedy. They could do all this stuff and completely cover it up. There was no one had a chance. No one had a chance. And anybody who opened their mouth was dead. Anybody that opened their mouth wound up dying in suspicious circumstances.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7438.25

Well, they definitely lost, but we took all the good ones that were engineers and scientists. And Russia took the other ones.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7453.44

Well, they didn't have to sneak them over. They were brought under the protection of the United States government and no one could know. If they were Nazis. There was no information.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7469.73

The Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if Von Braun was alive today, they would charge him with crimes against humanity. They hung the five slowest Jews in their rocket factory in Berlin to motivate people to work harder.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

750.929

How exciting must it be to be an undercover dude? Imagine being like a fucking IDF soldier who's in Hamas. Dude, that's crazy. You're in Hamas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're in there.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7551.006

Yeah. The thing that would make that plausible is if the knowledge of alien life is absolute. Absolute, real, and they have to protect that information from getting out.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7653.752

Well, we can see what they're working on. So the thing about DARPA is DARPA, like Boston Dynamics. Boston Dynamics is a publicly traded company. Yeah. Is it? I think it is. But the thing is they show all their innovations and they show all the new stuff they're working on.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

767.502

You're so deep that no one even knows what your actual job is. And there's like, Israel doesn't play. Israel don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck. They have a bunch of those dudes. Like infiltrated Hezbollah. Everywhere. They've got guys in everywhere.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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But the stuff that they're working on keeps getting better and better and better to the point where like, when are they going to stop showing us? Because they have robots that do those ninja courses now. Have you seen those? Yeah. They do backflips. They can run like cheetahs.

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7697.26

That's what I believe most of the UFO stuff is.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7707.527

Well, Area S4... Is that Big Mountain? Yeah, that's where Bob Lazar claims he was working on back engineering the flying saucers.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7721.078

Yeah, I think he did.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7723.28

Yeah. That's a wild boy living in Vegas. He's a wild boy. Well, also, this is a guy that put a jet engine in the back of his Honda. You know, he was kind of a crazy person before. I mean, he was a young man. That's why they brought him over, allegedly, to Area S4 in the first place.

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Because, like, the way science is supposed to work is you get a bunch of people and they collaborate on something and you write papers so that other scientists can review it and find out if it's correct.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7748.895

The way they were doing it, everything was compartmentalized because it was so top secret. They couldn't let other scientists work on it. And so because of that, they weren't making any progress. So what they would have to do is bring in completely new scientists every few years.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7763.809

With new eyes and go, what do you think of this? And they didn't even tell them what it is. When Lazar said, I had dinner with Lazar. He's very compelling. Me and Andrew Schultz. had dinner with Lazar and Jeremy Corbell. And Lazar is very compelling. And what he essentially was saying was that when he got there, they showed him this thing, and it had an American flag sticker on it.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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And he was like, oh, that makes sense. It's ours. So this thing that people keep seeing is one of ours. And then as he starts examining this thing, he realized, like... This doesn't have any seams. This thing is like 3D printed of some unknown alloy. There's no controls inside of it. It's designed for something that's like three feet tall. Like, what the fuck is going on?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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And then there's some reactor in there that has an element that's a completely theoretical element in a stable form that they're bombarding with radiation that manipulates gravity.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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And so they're telling him, like, tell us how this works. It's like, what? Yeah. So what's that called when you go back engineering?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7827.568

Yeah. So that was what his job was, back engineering it. But when he was doing this, he was on a completely top secret level of information to the point where when you're at that level, they have to monitor everything. Bug your house. They monitor your phone calls, everything. Yeah. So he couldn't even tell his wife what he was doing. So the way it works is they fly you out of Vegas.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

784.153

Yeah. That's crazy. That pager thing is one of the most gangster moves in the history of espionage. And it's like, you guys, you know. Is that espionage, technically? No.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7849.316

So they give you a call, 11 p.m., go to Vegas, go to the airport, you got to go. So he tells his wife, I got to go to work. She's like, what? You have to go to work at 11 o'clock at night? What are you doing? He's like, I got to go to work. And so she was like, fuck this dude. He's cheating on me. I'm going to cheat. So she starts banging her flight instructor. She's taking flight lessons.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

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She starts banging this guy. And so because Lazar would be in an emotionally unstable position if his wife is having an affair, he loses his top secret clearance and they have to relieve him. He can't work there anymore. So then he starts – he's telling his friends now. He's like, you can't believe what I've been working on. I want to show you.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7883.57

And every Wednesday they had this area where you can go to, this plateau, and you could look out at Area S4 and you could see in the sky them piloting these crafts. So he goes there with his friends on multiple occasions and gets arrested. And once he gets arrested, then he realized, they might fucking kill me. I'm going to come clean and I'm going to tell my story.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7905.447

So then he contacts George Knapp, who was an investigative journalist out of Las Vegas. And the first ones that he does, the first interview he does, he's got his face blacked out. He can't see him. And then he's like, you know what? To save my life, I probably should be like full public with this. It might be the only way they don't fucking kill me.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7923.536

So they were threatening him and, you know, very mysterious, breaking into his house. Very creepy, mysterious shit. So then he tells the whole story. Hasn't varied from that story at all in more than 30 years.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7941.036

I think, and I think this sometimes when people come in and talk to me about it, I think they probably use people like me as a mouthpiece to spread bullshit.

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7956.502

Yeah, I bet they do. That's the best way to hide something. The way you hide something is you connect it with a bunch of stupid shit. Like you connect it to Bigfoot. You connect it to Skinwalker Ranch. You make it seem kooky. And then people just dismiss it. They dismiss all of it. And I think that's the best way to hide a drone program.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7975.123

Best way to hide a drone program is say, you know, we are in possession of things that are not of this world. Yes. Like, wow, really?

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

7981.986

And there's these top secret organizations and they want to stay top secret. But as you notice with all this disclosure, nothing really gets out. It's just talk. Yes. And so this is what gives me like all my spidey senses go off like I've smelled bullshit.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8000.175

Right, right. Nothing's happening. And Jeremy Corbell's convinced that new disclosures are right around the corner because he's balls deep in this stuff. I'm like, okay, maybe, maybe, but I'm not seeing anything. What I'm seeing is a bunch of people talking about these things, and that doesn't mean anything to me. They're interesting. I'll keep having them come on. I'll keep talking to people.

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It's interesting.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8021.61

I think there's also people that are still in the government that say they're whistleblowers and they go out and they spread false false information.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

811.37

Well, now they have Wi-Fi and the ability with Wi-Fi to see everything in the room. Yeah. Not only does Wi-Fi see you, it knows what position you're in. It sees you as you're moving around. It knows everything. Even these phones. Oh, yeah. They never shut off, by the way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8148.082

Probably not. If it's real, it's probably incompetence. Probably some incompetent person told them to go down there. Some arrogant, incompetent person that thought they had complete control over the scenario. And they needed someone to go down there and do something. Just send them down there. Maybe they trusted him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8165.057

But it's also like... If he's working on anything top secret, they're listening to all his phone calls.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8174.306

I guarantee after that they listened to all his fun calls. Well, they knew where he was traveling. They would show up with these men in black. Well, they probably listened to everything he did, too, just to make sure that he wasn't flapping his gums.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8207.496

They might be bullshit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8211.418

Well, if you were going to be an alien and you were going to blend in with human beings, dressing up in a suit would be the best way to do it. Be a person in a suit, wear sunglasses so they don't see your eyes, and just move around like a normal person. If you can come here from another planet, you don't think you could disguise yourself as a different life form?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8235.614

I'm not opposed to that idea. I think there's probably – well, there's definitely dimensions that we don't – like Brian Cox was here yesterday, as I was saying, and he was trying to explain to me quantum computing and how quickly quantum computing works, like that a problem that would literally take the entire amount of time that the Earth has existed –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8258.266

to solve by a regular computer can be solved in a second by a quantum computer. And this quantum computer is literally somehow or another accessing other universes to come to its conclusion. To do these calculations, it's not only operating in this universe. It's operating in other dimensions simultaneously and instantaneously.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8281.15

The way he said it, it was like, and by the way, this is Brian Cox, who's like a serious physicist. Yeah. He's a professor.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8289.457

He's a genius. And he's literally explaining the mechanisms of quantum computing and explaining that quantum computing, even though they can't even figure out how to program it yet, is already showing that wormholes are possible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8304.751

So wormholes are being used somehow in the quantum computing process. Again, I'm sure I'm butchering this. Brian, if you're listening, I'm sorry. I'm sorry I'm butchering your words.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8330.077

Oh, boy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8351.064

Well, all that is rudimentary in comparison to this quantum computing idea. And what's fascinating about the quantum computing idea is that if there is this theory of many worlds, so if this theory is accurate, and there are an infinite number of universes, let's say,

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8366.827

that it's entirely within the realm of possibility if you think of that being a real thing that something can transport itself from those other dimensions to where we are so it might not be a metal craft that comes from venus it might not be something so simple like that's probably too simple for our little our stupid little minds might put it into that category right and also you

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8392.336

That might be how they present themselves to us to make themselves seem at least tangible instead of what they really are, which is probably outside of our ability to grasp. Our understanding. Our minds can't do that. So whatever these things are, I bet they're from multiple sources. I bet there are actual physical things that come from somewhere. But do they come from other planets?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8417.689

Do they come from other dimensions? Is it both? Are some of them interstellar travelers and some of them interdimensional travelers? Maybe. I mean, I think we're basically ants. We're these very rudimentary things that, as far as we know, we're the most complex thing in the universe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8434.554

And I think if you scale that—this is one of the things that Brian and I were talking about—that if you take artificial intelligence and quantum computing— And you imagine a sentient life form that relies on quantum computing and it has access to nuclear power plants to power it. You essentially create a god.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8450.91

You get to the point where something is so powerful that it literally can control all the elements in the known universe and then have access to other universes. And that this might be what we're dealing with. And we might be dealing with these beings that have always been here and they come and go and they observe or they intervene.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8472.888

Or one of the things Lazar talked about, one of the most bizarre things he found, he said they had this very thick document that was all about religion. And that essentially what these life forms use us as is containers. And he didn't understand what that meant by that. Like containers for what? He's like, I don't know. But they think of us as containers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8496.057

And you would think maybe containers for souls. If the soul's a real thing. And look, the concept of the soul has existed forever. Very unusual for the concept of something to exist for a long time with no basis in reality. That's why I'm interested in dragons. Why is every civilization, why do they all have dragons?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8521.809

Well, I think because people weren't alive when dinosaurs were alive, but I bet they were alive when dragons were alive. I bet dragons were a real thing. And in fact, Forrest Galante, who's a wildlife biologist, believes that there's a real possibility that dragons were an actual animal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8535.538

But that if you have an animal that has bones that are similar to like bird bones and something that, you know, how many of them would you find? What would you find that's left of that? You know, most things don't fossilize.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8552.83

Well, I mean, it's possible that there was some form of – look, birds survived this impact in the Yucatan. Whatever killed the dinosaurs did not kill chickens, all right, because chickens are literal dinosaurs. Yeah. They're literal dinosaurs. And if you've ever seen a chicken eat a mouse, it's fucking wild. They're the most ruthless, ferocious little animals. Raptors, birds, those are all eagles.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8577.73

American eagle's a goddamn dinosaur. And that's what it is. They're dinosaurs that live. And in fact, some of the more recent models of what dinosaurs looked like, they've updated to have feathers. When I was in, what is that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8591.898

A dinosaur's preserved tail in amber. So look at that. Feathers. Feathers in a dinosaur's tail. So there's a museum in Bozeman, Montana. And this museum has one side of this raptor. They have a velociraptor. And on one side of it, they have, it's like a real size velociraptor. And on one side, they have it with like dinosaur skin, like we like to think of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8615.984

But the other side, they have this theoretical version of it that's covered in feathers. And that's probably what dinosaurs had. So dinosaurs died. during the impact, but not all of them. The birds lived, and they're just smaller. There was no food, okay? So a big Tyrannosaurus rex, there's nothing to eat. You're going to starve to death. Those things died off, but the little ones lived.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

862.751

Well, you were out there at the end of the pier. You were out there at the end of the pier. The hurricane was coming. Yeah. And everybody was like, what's Sam doing? Yeah, he's scaring us.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8640.559

And it's so possible that something that flew, like a pterodactyl, like we think of pterodactyls as being like bat wings. Yes. Maybe they had feathers. Maybe that was a gigantic fucking predatory bird And maybe some of those fucking things look like dragons. You know, maybe the images that, think of all these different cultures, ancient medieval Europe, China, Japan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8669.784

All of them had dragons.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8672.847

There's so many dragons. It might have been a real thing. And I think most of them didn't have dragons that spit fire either. I think that was like a fucking Hollywood movie, Godzilla type deal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8688.923

Predates the dinosaurs. Crocodiles, crocodilian species predate dinosaurs. Really? Yeah. What's the, yeah, there was crocodiles and crocodile species, enormous ones, by the way, that predated the dinosaur. And I think modern alligators, they go back, they go back really, you know, sharks predate trees. Really? Predate trees. There were sharks on earth before there were trees.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8718.188

Maybe we were all underwater for a long time. Well, life definitely existed underwater a long ass fucking time. Because crocodiles are older than trees also. Jesus Christ. Damn, that's crazy. Yeah, so those are dinosaurs. When you see a giant Nile crocodile, those are fucking dinosaurs. That's a type of reptile.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8737.485

They should.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8743.908

I'll get it mostly in Florida.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8758.032

Yeah, they're not that wise. That's one of the crazy stories. I heard this guy was running from the cops, gets to a bridge, jumps off the bridge, right onto an alligator. Alligator eats him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8767.137

Right in front of the cops.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8780.323

Oh, God, I want to watch that. Yeah, dude. That one video in Egypt where they're at a resort and this kid is swimming and he's screaming for his father as he's getting slaughtered.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8790.128

Oh, he's screaming, Papa, Papa. He's just getting fucking murdered by this shark. Whoa, whoa. You see his legs go up in the air. You see the water turn red. He still tries to scream. Yeah, fuck sharks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8805.555

What can you do? You can't help them. There's nothing you can do. The kid's hundreds of yards into the water. By the time you get there, he's already dead. And you're going to be dead too. Most likely it's a feeding frenzy at this point. You go out there, it's a suicide mission. You just have to live with a nightmare for the rest of your life. What's up, Jamie? What do you got?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

881.934

It was fascinating to watch Callan slowly melt away the layer that he had put up, the blinders that he had put up all of his life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8824.586

What are you holy shitting? Oh, don't watch it. Don't watch it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want to see this guy get killed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8843.267

Wow. There's a reason why... Darwinism.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8846.67

Sadly. Natural selection. The people that have stupid ideas, they don't make it. And that's always been the case.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8860.703

Well, it's super crazy today because we have more capability, right? Because now we have guns and nuclear weapons. And back in the day, people were super crazy, but they killed everybody with arrows. Yeah. And catapults. I mean, you just listen to- It's more hands-on in a weird way. Yeah. Just think about all the shit that humans did back when there was no written history.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8883.501

We did horrific, horrible things. The Mongols killed somewhere in the neighborhood during Genghis Khan's lifetime, 50 to 70 million people. Crazy. They killed 10% of the population of Earth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8904.39

Oh, he was dropping dick all over the place. Taking everybody as a wife, air quotes, wife, this is my new wife. But it's like humans have always been crazy. It's just, we're probably less violent now, but more capability and more awareness of all the chaos in the world because it's like in your face.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8932.784

We have to win. We have to win in Ukraine. Like, what are you talking about? Russia has nukes. They've threatened to use them. Are you fucking serious?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8964.44

Well, it's because it's a big scam. It's a big weapon manufacturer scam. The money is not just going straight to Ukraine. It's going to weapons manufacturers. And they're giving Ukraine in aid. They're giving them tanks and weapons and... The craziest one is the Taliban in Afghanistan. When we leave, we leave behind billions, billions of dollars of high-tech war equipment.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8987.696

And then they put parades on where they're driving down the street with tanks and flying Blackhawks. Like, what? So crazy just to leave that all there. Leave it all there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

8997.158

And empower the Taliban with modern weapons. These guys that are living in fucking caves, fucking goats all day. And now all of a sudden they have Blackhawks. It's so crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9009.863

Oh, my God. You don't even know the half of it. I have a buddy who served over there multiple deployments in Afghanistan, and he told me it's insane. He said just the male rape, men raping each other and raping boys, he said it's fucking rampant.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

902.042

Bro, Callan is so hard to convince. He and I, we had this long-ass conversation in Utah a couple weeks ago when I was there for the UFC. This long-ass conversation where I was laying some things out for him and then showing him. He's like, no way. I was like, yeah, read it. He's like, what the fuck? I go, yeah, read it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9027.1

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9028.3

It ain't just happening on Thursday, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9040.444

How do you fix that? Imagine trying to install a democratic government into a place that has child rape as a normal thing. He said that guys would be – they would have parades where guys would have their harem of boys – And the most amount of boys will make you look like a pimp. And so it was like, it was cool to show all the boys that you're fucking.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9063.91

It's just like down the street, on main streets.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9069.071

What's done to you, you do to the next generation, which is so tragic. He said they had this guy who was like this mentally handicapped guy that was working in his kitchen and they would all take turns raping this guy. And he caught him raping this guy. And the guy would just take it. It's just normal. Just normal. And they did it to each other.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9086.074

He said they would go into the barracks and all be fucking each other. He's like, Jesus Christ. But don't you think that that's probably how human beings behaved back in like the Spartan days? Yeah. Yeah. Like the Spartans all fucked each other.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9211.292

Well, wasn't the whole idea of suicide bombers and jihad, didn't they do that when the Soviet Union had taken over Afghanistan? Yeah. They did it to try to fight against it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9236.729

It's crazy. Do you ever see the... We had Jason Everman on the podcast who was in Nirvana and also in Soundgarden and then went over to become a Special Forces soldier. After that? After that. Wow. Yeah, after that. And really fucking interesting guy. But he said that there's ancient Greek... construction that looks like the Parthenon in Afghanistan. Yes. Find some of that stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9262.379

They have photographs of this stuff, but you can't get archaeologists out there to study it because it's too fucking dangerous. It's run by the Taliban.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9347.514

First of all, images of ancient Greece and Afghanistan. Let's get those first. Okay. Because I don't want to lose this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9353.036

I don't want to lose this. And then we're going to go to the Statue of Liberty. Okay. So look at this stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9359.431

Like a model of what it looked like? It's a model of what it looked like, but they do have some images of the actual ruins.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9364.956

So ancient Greek ruins in Afghanistan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9369.179

Fucking bananas. And no archaeology being done. This is fucking insanity. And the stuff that Everman showed me is actually a little more even complex. Photos that he took of these ruins.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9383.291

Look at that mosaic. Look at the tiles. Look at these Greek statues.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9387.194

This is all from Alexander the Great. Okay, now go to Statue of Liberty.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

939.692

He's a great guy. I've been friends with Brian for 30 years. Yeah, he's the best. We're real good friends. I love him to death.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9393.07

I want to see what the Statue of Liberty looks like. Is it true the Statue of Liberty, click on that, is modeled after the Persian god Mithra? Yes. Hardly. First, both the original ironic god Mithra. Well, I don't believe any of these fact checkers anymore. But let's look at the Statue of Liberty. Give me a good image of the Statue of Liberty.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9431.18

Right. Go to the photograph of the Statue of Liberty's face again. Make that one in the center big. That does look like a guy. It looks like a Greek god. Yeah, that's a dude in drag. Look how thick the neck is. Yeah, dude, thick neck, dude. Look at that. It does look like a guy. Look at that one, that image, too, what says up in the top right-hand corner. That looks like a guy. Look at the arm.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9453.099

That does not look like a feminine arm. Look at the hand.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9462.101

Whoa. See if you can get a better image of the Statue of Liberty. That one there, it says Flickr in the middle, on the bottom, bottom in the middle. Yeah. Boy, that looks like a dude. Holy shit, Sam Tripoli. Statue of Liberty's a fucking dude. Go back to that image of them posting it. There was an image that you just had up in the bottom. Yeah, the scaffolding. Look at that. That's a guy, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

947.855

He wants to believe that the government is good. Yes! And I think the government is mostly good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9489.234

That looks like Avatar, dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9495.84

Look at the hand. That's not a woman's hand. Dude, that's a thick wrist. Wow. Statue of Liberty is a guy. Holy shit, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9513.219

Yeah. Statue of Liberty does not have breasts. Wow. It's a fucking guy. Kind of. They probably added that later. That's Photoshop. Let me see. I don't see boobs. I see a gut. But that's my pecs. Yeah. Look, see? He looks shredded. Look, if I'm standing here like this, look at this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

952.917

That's what I think about people. I think people are mostly good. I think most people are great. But I think the reason the Second Amendment exists is some people are not great. Some people are really bad, and you want to protect the great people from the people that are really bad. And that's a reality, unfortunate reality. I would like that to go away.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9542.637

Statue of Liberty breasts. Uh-oh, you're going to get to a weird porn site. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9554.148

Those ones are different. That's fake. That's a big juicy titty one. She's got silicones. Those aren't real. Bad way to look. Bad way to look. You're going to get to a porn site. All right, Sam. Let's bring this home.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9566.156

There we go. Sam, you're the fucking man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9575.702

I'm appreciative of you as well. You're awesome, and you go hard.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9579.444

I appreciate it. You're special.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9597.943

Rumble's great.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9599.725

Rumble's one of the real free speech platforms that's around now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9613.001

You know when Elon took over Twitter, I gained like 7 million followers in like a couple of months.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9617.927

Like that. Dude, they suppress. They suppress the fuck out of me. I'm suppressed on Instagram. I'm almost positive of it. I'm stuck at 19.3 million. I know that's a lot, but I'm stuck there for quite a while.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9639.73

Yeah, suppression.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9663.196

Thanks for being here. All right, bye, everybody. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Call of Duty. You know, when a new Call of Duty drops, everyone's trying to find a way to squeeze in those extra hours of gameplay. I get it. Life is busy, but sometimes you just need it.

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#2218 - Sam Tripoli

9738.467

Man, the replacer always gets it done. Seriously, though, if you're hooked on Call of Duty, this is your time to jump in. Head over to callofduty.com slash blackops6 to get in the game. Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Available now. Rated M for Mature.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

976.167

But pretending that everyone's the best without fixing all the problems that make people fucked up in the first place while trying to remove guns so only outlaws have guns is the dumbest fucking strategy in every city that pulls that off, like Chicago or Detroit or any of these places that try that shit. It's a disaster in a fucking war zone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2218 - Sam Tripoli

997.322

I mean, there's more people get murdered in Chicago every weekend than probably any city in the country.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

10011.103

And you can start to think about like, OK, well, what went wrong? We get another do we get another try and we can kind of learn from our mistakes. So there is this sort of like this picture, you know, one camp goes, oh, well, we're going to kind of make the super intelligence in a vat and then it explodes out and we lose control over it. That doesn't.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

10029.017

necessarily seem like the default scenario right now. It seems like what we're doing is scaling these systems. We might unhobble them with big capability jumps, but there's a component of this that is a continuous process that lets us kind of get our arms around it in a more staged way. That's another thing that I think is in our favor that we didn't expect before as a field, basically.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

10052.234

And I think that's a good thing. That helps you kind of detect these breakout attempts and do things about them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

1023.318

Alan Turing is like, the guy was a beast, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

1038.387

He also wasn't even the first person to come up with this idea of machines, building machines, and there being implications like human disempowerment. So if you go back to, I think it was like the late 1800s, and I don't remember the guy's name, but he sort of like came up with this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

1053.419

He was observing the industrial revolution and mechanization of labor and kind of starting to see more and more like if you zoom out, it's almost like you have a humans or an ant colony. And the artifacts that that colony is producing that are really interesting are these machines. You know, you kind of like look at the surface of the earth is like gradually, increasingly mechanized thing.

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#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

1071.496

And it's not super clear if you zoom out enough, like what is actually running the show here? Like you've got humans servicing machines, humans looking to improve the capability of these machines at this frantic pace. Like they're not even in control of what they're doing. Economic forces are pushing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

1109.349

The economy is in this almost convulsive fit, right? You can almost feel like it's hurling out AGI. As one kind of, I guess, data point here, all these labs, OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, every year they're spending an aircraft carrier worth of capital, individually, each of them, just to build bigger data centers, to house more AI chips, to train bigger, more powerful models. Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

1135.564

And that's like so. So we're actually getting to the point where if you look at on a power consumption basis, like we're getting to, you know, two, three, four or five percent of U.S. power production. If you project out into the late 2020s, kind of 20, 26, 27. You're not for double digit, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

114.572

So if you extrapolate that, you basically get to tasks that take a month to complete. Like by 2027... Tasks that take an AI researcher a month to complete, these systems will be completing with like a 50% success rate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

1160.412

Not for single digit. It's in the like for 2027, you're looking at like, you know, in the point five ish percent. But it's like it's a big fucking frat. Like you're talking about gigawatts and gigawatts. One gigawatt is a million homes. So you're seeing like one data center in 2027 is easily going to break a gig. There's going to be multiple like that.

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#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

1177.405

And so it's like a thousand, sorry, a million home city metropolis, really, that is just dedicated to training like one fucking model. That's what this is. Again, if you zoom out at planet Earth, you can interpret it as like this, like all these humans frantically running around like ants, just like building this like artificial brain.

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#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

1316.797

Probably the biggest thing there is going to be the security side, which – No, they update the security. It's all software. But, I mean, if your phone gets old enough, I mean, like at a certain point – Oh, when they stop updating it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

1330.847

Oh, dude. I mean, Salt Typhoon, they're watching all our dick pics. They're definitely seeing mine. What's Salt Typhoon? Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah. So it's this big Chinese cyber attack actually starts to get us to kind of the –

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Salt Typhoon is pretty slick. You know what? It's kind of like when people go out and do an awful thing, like a school shooting or something, and they're like, oh, let's talk about it. If you give it a cool name, now the Chinese are definitely going to do it again. Because they have a cool name? Yeah, that's definitely a factor. Salt Typhoon. Salt Typhoon. Pretty dope.

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But it's this thing where basically, so there was in the 3G kind of protocol that was set up years ago, law enforcement agencies included back doors intentionally to be able to access comms, you know, theoretically if they got a warrant and so on. And well, you introduce a back door, you have adversaries like China who are wicked good at cyber. They're going to find and exploit those back doors.

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Just make sure you ask it what it had for breakfast before you start. What about quantum computing getting involved in AI? So, yeah, honestly, I don't think it's – if you think that you're going to hit human-level AI capabilities across the board, say, 2027, 2028, which when you talk to some of these – the people in the labs themselves, that's the timelines they're looking at.

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And now basically they're sitting there and they had been for some people think like maybe a year or two before it was really discovered. And just a couple of months ago, they kind of go like, oh, cool. Like we got fucking like China all up in our shit.

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This is sorry. Salt Typhoon, though, is about just sitting on the like basically telecoms.

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It's not that.

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Yeah. And so this is kind of where. What we've been looking into over the last year is this question of how what is if you're going to make like a Manhattan project for superintelligence, right? Which is that's I mean, that's what we're texting about, like way back. And then actually, funnily enough, we shifted our date for security reasons.

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But if you're going to do a Manhattan project for for superintelligence. What does that have to look like? What does the security game have to look like to actually make it so that China's not all up in your shit? Like today, it is extremely clear that at the world's top AI labs, like all that shit is being stolen.

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Like there is not a single lab right now that isn't being spied on successfully based on everything we've seen by the Chinese.

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Yeah. And it's also the oh, my God, it's the like if you look at the power grid. So this is now public. But if you look at like transformer substations. So these are the essentially anyway, they're a crucial part of the electrical grid. And there's really like. Basically, all of them have components that are made in China.

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China is known to have planted back doors like Trojans into those substations to fuck with our grid. The thing is, when you see a salt typhoon, when you see like big Chinese cyber attack or a big Russian cyber attack, you're not seeing their best. These countries do not go and show you their best cards out the gate.

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You show the bare minimum that you can without tipping your hand at the actual exquisite capabilities you have. The way that one of the people who's been walking us through all this really well has explained it is the philosophy is you want to learn without teaching. You want to use what is the lowest level capability that has the effect I'm after, and that's what

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They're not confident. They're not sure. But that seems pretty plausible. If that happens, really there's no way we're going to have quantum computing that's going to be giving enough of a bump to these techniques. You're going to have standard classical computing –

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It was only ever discovered because there was this like British radio operator who was just, you know, doing his thing, changing his dial. And he's like, oh, shit. Like, is that the ambassador?

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One way to think about this is that the data centers that are being built today are being thought of literally as the data centers that are going to house like the artificial brain that powers superintelligence, human level AI when it's built in like 2027, something like that.

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we're limited what we can say there's there's actually people that you talk to you later that can go in in more detail here but older technology like that kind of lower powered so you're less likely to look at that nowadays we live in a different world the guy that invented that microphone invented his last name is there man he invented this instrument called the theremin which is a fucking really interesting thing oh he's just moving his hand yeah your hands control it waving over this it's a fucking wild instrument

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Wow. That is wild. It's also a lot harder to do than it seems. So the Americans tried to replicate this for years and years and years without really succeeding. And anyway, that's all kind of part of it.

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Oh, this is, so you can actually see in that video, I think there was a YouTube, yeah.

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I think it was powered by radio frequency emission. So there may be another thing related to it. I'm not sure.

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But it's a great catch. And the only reason we even know that, too, is that when the U-2s were flying over Russia, they had a U-2 that got shot down in 1960. The Russians go like, oh, like frigging Americans like spying on us. What the fuck? I thought we were buddies. Well, it's the 60s. I obviously didn't think that. And then the Americans are like, OK, bitch, look at this.

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And they brought out the seal. And that's how it became public. It was basically like the response to the Russians saying like, you know.

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So, a little bit. I mean, like, I did my grad studies in, like, the foundations of quantum mechanics. Oh, great. Yeah, well, it was a mistake, but I appreciate it. Why was it a mistake? You know, so, academia is this, like, kind of funny thing. It's really bad culture. It teaches you some really terrible habits.

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I've been talking to a lot of people.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting problem in like all Intel, right? Because there's always the mix of incentives is so fucked. Like the adversary is trying to add noise into the system. You've got pockets of people within the government that have different incentives from other pockets.

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So, basically, my entire life after academia, and Ed's too, was unlearning these, like, terrible habits of... It's all zero sum basically. It's not like when you're working in startups. It's not like when you're working in tech where you build something and somebody else builds something that's complimentary and you can team up and just like make something amazing.

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I've always said that.

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You're not even going to ask us what we had for breakfast?

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It was like the same attitude that got Turing chemically castrated, right? I mean, it was like, hey, let's just get in there and fuck around a bit.

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They just scramble your fucking brains. But doesn't it make you feel better to call it a leucotomy, though? Because it sounds a lot more professional.

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But now there's also, there's so much more tooling too, right? If you're a nation state and you want to fuck with people and inject narratives into the ecosystem, right? Like the whole idea of autonomous AI agents too, like having these basically like Twitter bots or whatever bots. Like a lot of, one thing we've been thinking about too on the side is like the idea of

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It's always wars over who gets credit, who gets their name on the paper. Did you cite this fucking stupid paper from two years ago because the author has an ego and you got to be – I was literally at one point – I'm not going to get any details here, but there was a collaboration that we ran with this fairly well-known guy.

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100%.

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Oh, yeah, 100%. You have to do it because for sure we're doing that. And this is one of the things where, you know, like it used to be – so OpenAI actually used to do this assessment of their AI models as part of their kind of what they call their preparedness framework that would look at the persuasion capabilities of their models as one kind of threat vector.

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They pulled that out recently, which is kind of like – Why? Why? You can argue that it makes sense. I actually think it's somewhat concerning because one of the things you might worry about is if these systems, sometimes they get trained through what's called reinforcement learning.

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Potentially, you could imagine training these to be super persuasive by having them interact with real people and convince them, practice at convincing them to do specific things.

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If that if you get to that point, you know, these these labs ultimately will have the ability to deploy agents at scale that can just persuade a lot of people to do whatever they want, including pushing legislative agendas.

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But this is like the same optimization pressure that keeps you on TikTok, that same addiction. Imagine that applied to persuading you of some fact, right? Yeah.

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That's one of the reasons why the bot purge, like when Elon acquired it and started working on it, is so important. Like there needs to be – the challenge is like detecting these things is so hard, right? So hard.

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And my supervisor had me write the emails that he would send from his account so that he was seen as the guy who was interacting with this bigwig. That kind of thing doesn't tend to happen in startups, at least not in the same way.

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Jesus.

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Yeah. It's also like, you know, the organizations that are doing this, like we already know this is part of Russia's MO, China's MO, because back when it was easier to detect. we already could see them doing this shit. So there is this website called This Person Does Not Exist. It still exists surely now, but it's kind of old.

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But you would like, every time you refresh this website, you would see a different like human face that was AI generated. And what the Russian Internet Research Agency would do.

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Yeah, exactly. What all these, and it's actually, yeah, I don't think they've really upgraded it.

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That's fake. Wow, they're so good. This is like years old. And you could actually detect these things pretty reliably. Like you might remember the whole thing about AI systems were having a hard time generating like hands that only had like five fingers. That's over though. Yeah, little hints of it were though back in the day in this person does not exist.

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And you'd have the Russians would take like a face from that and then use it as the profile picture for like a Twitter bot. Right. And so that you could actually detect. You'd be like, OK, I've got you there. I've got you there. I can kind of get a rough count. Now we can't. But we definitely know they've been in the game for a long time. There's no way they're not.

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Okay. Let's get freaked out. Well, OK, so there's one without speaking to like the fucking doomsday dimension right up here. There's a question about like, where are we at in terms of AI capabilities right now? And what do those timelines look like? Right. There's a bunch of disagreement.

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80% of it's bullshit, which is really wild. Well, and you look at some of the documents that have come out. I think it was the CIA game plan for regime change or undermining. How do you do it, right? Have multiple decision makers at every level.

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All these things. And what a surprise. That's exactly what the U.S. bureaucracy looks like today.

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Open society, right? I mean, that's part of the tradeoff. And that's actually a big part of the challenge, too. So when we're working on this, right, like one of the things Ed was talking about, these like 30 different layers of security access or whatever, one of the consequences is you bump into a team, right?

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So like the teams we ended up working with on this project were folks that we bumped into after the end of our last investigation who kind of were like, oh.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like looking at AGI, looking at the national security kind of landscape around that. And a lot of them like really well placed. It was like, you know, special forces guys from tier one units. So you'll seal team six type thing.

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And because they're so like in that ecosystem, you you'll see people who are like ridiculously specialized and competent, like the best people in the world at doing whatever the thing is like to break the security. and they don't know often about another group of guys who have a completely different capability set.

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And so what you find is you're indexing hard on this vulnerability, and then suddenly someone says, oh yeah, but by the way, I can just hop that fence.

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Or like, yeah, they're biased in the direction of because it's so easy when everything's like stovepiped.

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But yeah, it's what it is. It's like so everything's so stove piped that you don't you literally can't know what the exquisite state of the art is in another domain. So it's a lot easier for somebody to come up and be like, oh, yeah, like I'm actually really good at this other thing that you don't know.

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And so figuring out who actually is the, like, we had this experience over and over where like, you know, you run into a team and then you run into another team, they have an interaction, you're kind of like, oh, interesting. So like, you know, like these are the really kind of the people at the top of their game.

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And that's been this very long process to figure out like, okay, what does it take to actually secure our critical infrastructure against like CCP, for example, like Chinese attacks, if we're building a super intelligence project? And it's it's this weird like kind of challenge because of the stove piping. No one has the full picture.

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And we don't think that we have it even now, but definitely don't know of anyone who's come like that, like as close to it.

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Yeah.

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And it's also like the fact of the 30 layers of the stack or whatever it is of all these security issues means that no one can have the complete picture at any one time. And the stack is changing all the time. People are inventing new shit. Things are falling in and out of. And so figuring out what is that team that can actually get you that complete picture It's an exercise.

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A, you can't really do – it's hard to do it from the government side because you got to engage with data center building companies. You got to engage with the AI labs and in particular with like insiders at the labs who will tell you things that, by the way, the lab leadership will tell you the opposite of in some cases. And so like it's just this Gordian knot.

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Like it took us months to like pin down every kind of dimension that we think we've pinned down at this point.

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It's understandable, too. It's totally understandable. A lot of people have the wrong sense of what a tier one asset actually can do.

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Yeah, please. I don't want to rip on that too much, though, because this is one really important factor here is all these groups have a part of the puzzle. And they're all fucking amazing. They are like world class. At their own little slice. And a big part of what we've had to do is bring people together. And there are people who've helped us immeasurably do this.

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But bring people together and explain to them the value that each other has in a way that's like... Um, that, that allows that, that bridge building to be made. And by the way, the, the, the tier one guys are the, the most like ego moderated of the people that we talk to. There's a lot of like Silicon Valley hubris going around right now where people are like, listen, like get out of our way.

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We'll figure out how to do this. Like super secure data center infrastructure. We got this. Why? Because we're the guys building the AGI motherfucker. Yeah. That's kind of the attitude. And it's like, cool, man. Like, that's like a doctor having an opinion about, like, how to repair your car. I get that it's not the, like, elite kind of, like, you know, whatever.

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But someone has to help you build, like, a good friggin' fence. Like, I mean, it's not just that. The Dunning-Kruger effect.

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One thing my wife said to me on a couple of occasions, you seem to like, and this is towards the beginning of the project, you seem to change your mind a lot about what the right configuration is of how to do this. And yeah, it's because every other day you're having a conversation with somebody who's like, Oh, yeah. Like, great job on on this thing. But like, I'm not going to do that.

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I'm going to do this other completely different thing. And that just fucks everything over. And so you have enough of those conversations. And at a certain point, your your plan, your game plan on this can no longer look like we're going to build a perfect fortress.

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It's got to look like we're going to account for our own uncertainty on the security side and the fact that we're never going to be able to patch everything. Right. You have to.

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You're also, you're kind of disconnected from... base reality when you're in the ivory tower, right? There's something beautiful about, and this is why we spent all our time in startups, but there's something really beautiful about it's just a bunch of assholes

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Right. You have to you have to touch the thing. And there's like there's a related issue here, which is a kind of like willingness that came up over and over again. Like one of the kind of gurus of this space was like made the couple of them made the point that.

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You know, you can have the most exquisite capability in the world, but if you if you don't actually have the willingness to use it, you might as well not have that capability. And the challenge is right now, China, Russia, like our adversaries pull all kinds of stunts on us and get no consequences, particularly during the previous administration.

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us and like no money and nothing and a world of like potential customers and it's like you actually it's not that different from like stand-up comedy in a way like your product is can I get the laugh right like something like that and it's unforgiving if you fuck up it's like silence in the room it's the same thing with startups like the space of products that actually works is so

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So what ends up happening, right, is – and by the way, that thing about like it's an accident comes out often before there would have been time for investigators to physically fly on site and take a look. Like there's no logical way that you could even know that at the time.

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right because if you were to investigate if you were to say okay we looked into this it actually looks like it's fucking like country x that just did this thing right if that's the conclusion it's hard to imagine the american people not being like um what are we like we're letting these people uh injure our american citizens on u.s soil take out like u.s national security like or critical infrastructure and we're not doing anything like the concern is about this like

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We're getting in our own way of thinking like, oh, well, escalation is going to happen. And boom, we run straight to like there's going to be a nuclear war. Everybody's going to die. Like when you do that, the peace between nations stability does not come from the absence of activity. It comes from consequence.

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It comes from just like if you have an individual who misbehaves in society, there's a consequence and people know it's coming. You need to train your counterparts in the international community. You're at your adversary. Exactly. To not fuck with your stuff.

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It's like, okay, so suppose that I went to you and was like, hey, I bet I can kick your ass. I bet I can friggin' slap a rubber guard on you and do whatever the fuck, right? I love your expression, by the way. Yeah, yeah, you look really convinced. It's because I'm jacked, right?

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They just slipped that in. There's guys who look like you who are just real fucking nerds.

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But here's the thing. So that's exactly it, right? So if I told you, I bet I can tap you out, right? I'd be like, where have you been training? Well, right. And my answer was, oh, I've just read a bunch of books. You'd be like, oh, cool. Let's go. Because making contact with reality is where the fucking learning happens. You can sit there and think all you want.

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narrow and you've got to obsess over what people actually want and it's so easy to fool yourself into thinking that you've got something that's really good because your friends and family are like oh no sweetie you're doing a great job like what a wonderful life I would totally use it I totally see that all that stuff right and that's I love that because it forces you to change

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But unless you've actually played the chess match, unless you've reached out, touched, seen what the reaction is and all this stuff, you don't actually know what you think you know. And that's actually extra dangerous. If you're sitting on a bunch of capabilities and you have this like unearned sense of superiority because you haven't used those exquisite tools, like it's a challenge.

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One important consequence of that, too, is like if you want to avoid nuclear escalation. Right. The answer is not to just take punches in the mouth over and over in the fear that eventually it's good if you do anything, you're going to escalate to nukes. All that does is it empowers the adversary to keep driving up the ratchet.

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Like what Ed's just described there is an increasing ratchet of unresponded adversary action. If you address the low, the kind of sub-threshold stuff, if they cut an undersea cable and then there's a consequence for that shit, they're less likely to cut an undersea cable and things kind of stay at that level of the threshold.

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It's the summer of love. Yeah, that's right. Don't you remember? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. The translation into like the super intelligence scenario is a if we don't have our reps in, if we don't know how to reach out and touch an adversary and induce consequence for them doing the same to us, then we have no deterrence at all. Like we were basically just sitting right now.

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The state of security is the labs are like super. And like we we. Canon probably should go deep on that piece, but like as one data point. Right. So there's like double digit percentages of the world's top AI labs or America's top AI labs of employees, of employees that are like Chinese nationals or have ties to the Chinese mainland. Right. So that's that's great.

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Why don't we build the Manhattan project?

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Like stupid. But it's also like it's the the challenge is when you talk to people who actually geez, when you talk to people actually have experience dealing with like CCP activity in this space. Right.

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Like there's one story that we heard that is probably worth like relaying here is like this guy from from an intelligence agency was saying like, hey, so there was this power outage out in Berkeley, California, back in like 2019 or something. And the Internet goes out across the whole campus.

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And so there's this dorm and like all of the Chinese students are freaking out because they have an obligation to do a time based check in and basically report back on everything they've seen and heard to basically a CCP handler type thing.

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And if they don't like maybe your mother's insulin doesn't show up. Maybe you're like brother's travel plans get denied. Maybe the family business gets shut down. Like there's the. range of options that this massive CCP state coercion machine has. This is like they've got internal software for this.

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Like this is an institutionalized, like very well developed and efficient framework for just ratcheting up pressure on individuals overseas. And they believe the Chinese diaspora overseas belongs to them. If you look at like what the Chinese Communist Party writes in its like in its written like public communications, it's

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They see like Chinese ethnicity as being a green like is like no one is a bigger victim of this than the Chinese people themselves who are abroad, who made amazing contributions to American AI innovation. You just have to look at the names on the frigging papers. It's like these guys are wicked. But the problem is. We also have to look head on at this reality.

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Like you can't just be like, oh, I'm not going to say it because it makes me feel funny inside. Someone has to stand up and point out the obvious that if you're going to build a fucking Manhattan project for super intelligence and the idea is to like be doing that when China is a key rival nation state actor. Yeah, you're going to have to find a way to account for the personnel security side.

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Like at some point, someone's going to have to do something about that.

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One of the worst things here is like the. That's so crazy. Yeah. The physical infrastructure. So the personnel thing is like fucked up. The physical infrastructure thing is another area where people don't want to look. Because if you start looking, what you start to realize is, OK, China makes like a lot of our like components for our transformers, for the electrical grid. Yep.

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But also all these chips that are going into our our big data centers for these massive training runs. Where do they come from? They come from Taiwan. They come from this company called TSMC, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company.

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We're increasingly on-shoring that, by the way, which is one of the best things that's been happening lately, is massive amounts of TSMC capacity getting on-shored in the US, but still being made. Right now, it's basically 100% there. All you have to do is jump on the network at TSMC, hack the right network, compromise the firmware on the software that runs on these chips to get them to run.

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And you basically can compromise all the chips going into all of these things. Never mind the fact that Taiwan is physically outside the Chinese sphere of influence for now. China is going to be prioritizing the fuck. Out of getting access to that. There have been cases, by the way, like Richard Chang, like the founder of SMIC, which is the sort. So. So, OK.

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TSMC, this massive like a series of area aircraft carrier fabrication facilities.

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Yeah. They're the only place on planet Earth that does this. It's literally like it's fascinating. It's like the most easily the most advanced manufacturing or scientific process that primates on planet Earth can do is this this chip making process.

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One of the most concrete pieces of evidence that we have recently came out of a lab, an AI kind of evaluation lab called Meter. And they put together this this test. Basically, it's like you ask the question. Pick a task that takes a certain amount of time, like an hour. It takes like a human a certain amount of time. And then see like how likely the best AI system is to solve for that task.

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That is the only place, truly the only place right now. Wow. And so a Chinese invasion of Taiwan just looks pretty interesting through that lens, right? Oh, boy. Yeah. Say goodbye to the iPhones. Say goodbye to the chip supply that we rely on. And then your super intelligence training run, like, damn, that's interesting.

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Okay, so one of the craziest things, just to illustrate how hard it is to do, so you spend $50 billion, again, an aircraft carrier, we're throwing that around here and there, but an aircraft carrier worth of risk capital. What does that mean? That means you build the fab, the factory, and it's not guaranteed it's going to work.

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At first, this factory is pumping out these chips at like yields that are really low. In other words, like the only like, you know, 20 percent of the chips that they're putting out are even useful. And that just makes it totally economically unviable. So you're just trying to increase that yield, desperately climb up higher and higher.

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Intel famously found this so hard that they have this philosophy where when they build a new fab, the philosophy is called copy exactly everything down to the color of the paint on the walls in the bathroom is copied from other fabs that actually worked because they have no idea why a fucking fab works and another one doesn't.

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So when you look at – so TSMC is like – they're alone in the world in terms of being able to pump out these chips. But SMIC, this is the Chinese knockoff of TSMC founded, by the way, by a former senior TSMC executive, Richard Chung, who leaves along with a bunch of other people with a bunch of fucking secrets. They get sued like in the early 2000s. It's pretty obvious what happened there. Yeah.

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To most people, they're like, yeah, SMIC fucking stole that shit. They bring a new fab online in like a year or two, which is suspiciously fast. Start pumping out chips. And now the Chinese ecosystem is ratcheting up like the government is pouring money into SMIC because they know that. They can't access TSMC chips anymore because the U.S. government's put pressure on Taiwan to block that off.

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And so domestic fab in China is all about SMIC. And they are – like it's a disgusting amount of money they're putting in. They're teaming up with Huawei to form like this complex of companies that – It's really interesting. I mean, the semiconductor industry in China in particular is really, really interesting.

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It's also a massive story of like self-owns of the United States and the Western world where we've been just shipping a lot of a lot of our shit to them for a long time.

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China's prioritizing this so highly that like the idea that we're going to. So we do it by company through this. Basically, it's like an export blacklist. Like you can't send to Huawei. You can't send to. any number of other companies that are considered affiliated with the Chinese military or where we're concerned about military applications.

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Reality is in China, civil-military fusion is their policy. In other words, every private company, like, yeah, that's cute, dude. You're working for yourself? Yeah, no, no, no, buddy. You're working for the Chinese state. We come in, we want your shit, we get your shit. There's no true kind of distinction between the two.

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And so when you have this attitude where you're like, yeah, you know, we're going to have some companies where we're like, you can't send to them, but you can, you know. That creates a situation where literally Huawei will spin up like a dozen subsidiaries or new companies with new names that aren't on our blacklist. And so like for months or years, you're able to just ship chips to them.

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That's to say nothing of like using intermediaries in like Singapore or other countries.

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Well, so step one is you got to stem the bleeding, right? So right now, OpenAI pumps out a new massive scaled AI model. You better believe that the CCP has a really good chance that they're going to get their hands on that, right? So all you do right now is you ratchet up capabilities. It's like that meme of there's a motorboat or something and some guy who's like...

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surfing behind and there's a string attaching them and the motorboat guy goes like hurry up like accelerate they're catching up that's kind of what's what's happening right now is we're helping them accelerate pulling them along basically pulling them along um now I will say like our over the last six months especially where our focus is shifted is like how do we actually build like the secure data set like what does it look like to actually lock this down and also crucially

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You don't want the security measures to be so irritating and invasive that they slow down the progress. Like there's this kind of dance that you have to do. We actually – so this is part of what was in the redacted version of the report because we don't want to telegraph that necessarily. But there are ways that you can get a really good 80-20.

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Like there are ways that you can play with things that are already – Say they're already built and have a lower risk of them having been compromised.

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And this is, by the way, it's like one reason why it's so important that we not be constrained in our thinking about like we're going to build a Fort Knox. Like this is where the interactive, messy, adversarial environment is so, so important. You have to introduce consequence.

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Like you have to create a situation where they perceive that if they try to do an espionage operation or an intelligence operation, there will be consequences. That's right now not happening. And so it's just – and that's kind of a historical artifact over like a lot of time spent hand-wringing over, well, what if they and then we and then eventually nukes. And like that kind of thinking is –

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If you dealt with your kid when you're raising them, if you dealt with them that way and you were like, hey, so little Timmy, he stole his first toy. And now's the time where a good parent would be like, all right, little Timmy, fucking come over here, you son of a bitch. Take the fucking thing and we're going to bring it over to the people who stole it from you.

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Make the apology. I love my daughter, by the way. Timmy's a fake baby. It's a hypothetical baby. There's no there's no he's crying right now. Anyway, so, yeah, stealing right now. Jesus shit. I got I got to stop him. But yeah, anyway, so, you know, you go through this thing and you can do that or you can be like, oh, no, if I tell Timmy to return it, then maybe Timmy is going to hate me.

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Maybe then Timmy is going to like become increasingly adversarial. And then when he's in high school, he's going to start taking drugs. And then eventually he's going to like fall afoul of the law and then end up on the street. Like if that's the story you're telling yourself and you're terrified of any kind of adversarial interaction, it's not even adversarial. It's constructive.

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It's meditative. Like there's no way for it not to be to be in some way a reflection of like yourself. You know, you're kind of like in this battle with you trying to convince yourself that you're great. So the ego wants to grow and then you're constantly trying to compress it and compress it. And if there's not that outside force, your ego will expand to fill whatever volume is given to it.

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Actually, you're training the child just like you're training your adversary to respect your national boundaries and your sovereignty. That those two things are like that. That's what you're up to. It's human beings all the way down.

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And they're so concerned about, like, the idea that we might lose control of these systems that they go, OK, we need to strike a deal with China. There's no way out. We have to strike a deal with China.

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And then they start spinning up all these theories about how they're going to do that, none of which remotely reflect the actual – when you talk to the people who work on this, who try to do track one, track 1.5, track two, or more accurately the ones who do the Intel stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. a non-starter for reasons we get into.

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But they have that attitude because they're like, fundamentally, we don't know how to control this technology. The flip side is people who go, oh, yeah, I work in the IC or at the State Department and I'm used to dealing with these guys. The Chinese. The Chinese. They're not trustworthy. Forget it. So our only solution is to figure out the whole control problem.

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And almost like, therefore, it must be possible to control the AI systems because you just can't see a solution. Sorry. You just can't see a solution in front of you because you understand that problem so well. And so everything we've been doing with this is looking at how can we actually take both of those realities seriously?

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There's no actual reason why those two things shouldn't be able to exist in the same head. Yes, China is not trustworthy. Yes, we actually don't. Like every piece of evidence we have right now suggests that like if you build a super intelligent system that's vastly smarter than you, I mean – Yeah. Like your basic intuition that that sounds like a hard thing to fucking control is about right.

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Like there's no solid evidence that's conclusive either way where that leaves you is about 50 50. So, yeah, we ought to be taking that really fucking seriously. And there's there's evidence pointing in that direction. But so the question is, like, if those two things are true, then what do you do?

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Like if you have money, if you have fame, if everything's given and you don't make contact with the unforgiving on a regular basis, like... Yeah, you know, you're going to end up doing that to yourself.

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And so few people seem to want to take both of those things seriously because taking one seriously almost like reflexively makes you reach for the other. When, you know, they're both not there. And part of the answer here is you got to do things like reach out to your adversary. So we have the capacity to slow down if we wanted to Chinese development. We actually could.

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We need to have a serious conversation about when and how. But the fact of that not being on the table right now for anyone, because people who don't trust China just don't think that the risk or won't acknowledge that the issue with control is real because that's just too worrisome. And there's this concern about, oh, no, but then runaway escalation.

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People who who take the loss control thing seriously just want to have a kumbaya moment with China, which is never going to happen. And so the framework around that is one of consequence.

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You've got to flex the muscle and put in the reps and get ready for potentially if you have a late stage rush to super intelligence, you want to have as much margin as you can so you can invest in potentially not even having to make that final leap in building the super intelligence. That's one option that's on the table if you can actually degrade the adversary's capabilities.

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The same way, well, not exactly the same way they would degrade ours, but think about all the infrastructure. And this is stuff that we'll have to point you in the direction of some people who can walk you through the details offline. But there are a lot of ways that you can degrade infrastructure, adversary infrastructure. A lot of those are the same techniques they use on us.

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The infrastructure for these training runs is super delicate, right? Like, I mean, you need to have- It's at the limit of what's possible.

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The centrifuges that are used to enrich the uranium.

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Well, so if we can reach parity in our ability to intercede and kind of go in and do this, then yes. Right now, the problem is they hold us at risk in a way that we simply don't hold them at risk. And so this idea, and there's been a lot of debate right now in the AI world.

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You might have seen actually, so Elon's AI advisor put out this idea of essentially this mutually assured AI malfunction meme. It's like mutually assured destruction, but for AI systems like this. You know, there are some issues with it, including the fact that it doesn't reflect the asymmetry that currently exists between the U.S. and China. Like, all our infrastructure is made in China.

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All our infrastructure is penetrated in a way that theirs simply is not. When you actually talk to the folks who know the space, who've done operations like this, it's really clear that that's an asymmetry that needs to be resolved. And so building up that capacity is important. I mean, look, the alternative is.

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We get we start riding the dragon and we get really close to that threshold where we were about to build opening eyes about to build super intelligence or something. It gets stolen and then the training run gets polished off, finished up in China or whatever. All the same risks apply. It's just that. It's China doing it to us and not the reverse. And obviously a CCP AI is a Xi Jinping AI.

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I mean, that's really what it is. You know, even people at the like Politburo level around him are probably in some trouble at that point because, you know, this guy doesn't need you anymore.

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And so you can imagine like maybe we're going to see some like when you can automate the management of large organizations with with with A.I. 's agents or whatever that you don't need to buy the loyalty of in any way that you don't need to, you know, kind of manage or control. That's a pretty existential question if your regime is based on power.

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It's one of the reasons why America actually has a pretty structural advantage here with separation of powers with our democratic system and all that stuff.

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If you can make a credible case that you have an oversight system for the technology that diffuses power, even if it is you make a Manhattan Project, you secure it as much as you can, there's not just like one dude who's going to be sitting at a console or something. There's some kind of separation of powers here. Or diffusion of power, I should say. What would that look like?

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Something as simple as what we do with nuclear command codes. You need multiple people to sign off on a thing. Maybe they come from different parts of the government.

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Like sentient as in? Self-aware? Self-aware.

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So the challenge is once you get into superintelligence, everybody loses the plot, right? Because at that point, things become possible that by definition we can't have thought of. So any attempt to kind of extrapolate beyond that gets really, really hard.

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We've had a lot of conversations like tabletop exercise type stuff where we're like, okay, what might this look like? What are some of the – What's worst case scenario? Yeah. Worst case scenario is, actually, there's a number of different worst case scenarios. This is turning into a really fun, upbeat conversation.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely. The extension of the human race seems like... I think anybody who doesn't acknowledge that is either lying or confused, right? Like, if you actually have an AI system, if, and this is the question, so let's assume that that's true. You have an AI system that can automate

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anything that humans can do, including making bioweapons, including making offensive cyberweapons, including all the shit, then if you... Theoretically, this could go kumbaya wonderfully because you have a George Washington type who is the guy who controls it, who uses it to distribute power beautifully and perfectly, and that's certainly kind of the way that a lot of

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A lot of positive scenarios have to turn out at some point, though none of the labs will kind of admit that or, you know, there's kind of gesturing at that idea that we'll do the right thing when the time comes. Opening Eye has done this a lot. Like they're all about like, oh, yeah, well, you know, not right now, but we'll live up like that.

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Anyway, we should get into the Elon lawsuit, which is actually kind of fascinating in that sense. So there's a world where, yeah, I mean, one bad person controls it and they're just vindictive or the power goes to their head, which happens to, we've been talking about that, you know.

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It's amazing what you can get used to, though. And like the you're mentioning the producer thing. That is literally also a thing that happens in academia. So you'll have these conversations where it's like. All right. Well, this paper is fucking garbage or something, but we want to get it in a paper in a journal.

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There's also evidence. So it used to be right that this was a purely hypothetical argument based on a body of work in AI called power seeking. A fancy word for it is instrumental convergence, but it's also referred to as power seeking. Basically, the idea is like for whatever goal you give to an AI system, it's never less likely to achieve that goal if it gets turned off.

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Or if it has access to fewer resources or less control over its environment or whatever. And so baked into the very premise of AI, this idea of optimizing for a goal, is this incentive to seek power, to get all those things, prevent yourself from being shut down because if you're shut down, you can't achieve your goal. It also prevents, by the way, your goal from being changed.

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Because if your goal gets changed, then, well, you're not going to be able to achieve the goal you set out to achieve in the first place. And so now you have this kind of image of an AI system that is going to adversarially try to prevent you from correcting it. This is a whole domain of AI corrigibility that's a totally unsolved problem. How do we redirect these things if things go awry?

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And so let's see if we can get like a famous guy on the list of authors so that when it gets reviewed, people go like, oh, Mr. So-and-so. OK, like and that literally happens like, you know.

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So hoping that this just like goes away when you make the system fucking smarter, it seems like a pretty bad idea to me.

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Just like people.

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And it's part of this. It's kind of funny. Like it used to be people would talk a lot about like, oh, you're anthropomorphizing the AI, man. Stop anthropomorphizing the AI, man. And they might have been right. But part of this has been kind of a fascinating rediscovery of where a lot of human behavior comes from. It's like actually. Survival. Yeah, exactly.

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Oh, yeah. And you can tell a really interesting story. And I can't remember if this is like, you know, Yuval Noah Harari or whatever who started this. But if you zoom out and look at the history of the universe, really, you start off with like...

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A bunch of particles and fields kind of whizzing around, bumping into each other, doing random shit until at some point in some, I don't know if it's a deep sea vent or wherever on planet Earth, like the first kind of molecules happen to glue together in a way that make them good at replicating their own structure. So you have the first replicator.

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So now like better versions of that molecule that are better at replicating survive. So we start evolution and eventually get to the first cell or whatever, whatever order that actually happens in and then the multicellular life and so on. Then you get to sexual reproduction where it's like, okay, it's no longer quite the same.

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Like now we're actively mixing two different organisms, shit together, jiggling them about making some changes. And then that essentially accelerates the rate at which we're going to evolve. And so you can see the kind of acceleration in the complexity of life from there. And then you see other inflection points as, for example, you have larger and larger brains in mammals.

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Eventually, humans have the ability to have culture and kind of retain knowledge. And now what's happening is you can think of it as another step in that trajectory where it's like we're offloading our cognition to machines. Like we think on computer clock time now. And for the moment, we're human-AI hybrids. Like, you know, we look at our phone and do the thing.

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But increasingly, the number of tasks where human AI teaming is going to be more efficient than just AI alone is going to drop really quickly.

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That's nuts. There's an interesting reason to why that tends to happen, like why humans would rather die in a car crash where they're being driven by a human than an AI. So like AIs have this this funny feature where the mistakes they make. look really, really dumb to humans. When you look at a mistake that a chatbot makes, you're like, dude, you just made that shit up. Come on.

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Don't fuck with me. You made that up. That's not a real thing. And they'll do these weird things where they defy logic or they'll do basic logical errors sometimes, at least the older versions of these would. And that would cause people to look at them and be like, oh, what a cute little chatbot. What a stupid little thing. And the problem is humans are actually the same. So we have blind spots.

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We have literal blind spots. But a lot of the time, like humans just think stupid things. And like that's like we were used to that. We think of those errors. We think of those those failures as just like, oh, but that's because that's a hard thing to master. Like I can't add eight digit numbers in my head right now. Right. Oh, how embarrassing. Like how how retarded is Jeremy right now?

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We can't even add eight digits in his head. I'm retarded for other reasons. But so the AI systems, they find other things easy and other things hard. So they look at us the same way. I mean, like, oh, look at this stupid human, like whatever. And so we have this temptation to be like, OK, well, AI progress is a lot slower than it actually is because it's so easy for us to spot the mistakes.

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And that causes us to lose confidence in these systems in cases where we should have confidence in them. And then the opposite is also true.

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That's what they really like. That is like always going to be a thing, right?

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Oh my God, the walls. There's so many walls. Like some of these like imaginary reasons that things are, and by the way, things could slow down. Like I don't want to be, I don't want to be like absolutist about this. Things could absolutely slow down. There are a lot of interesting arguments going around every which way. But-

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So there's this thing called like AI scaling laws. And these are kind of at the core of where we're at right now geostrategically around this stuff. So what AI scaling laws say roughly is that bigger is better when it comes to intelligence. So if you make a bigger sort of AI model, a bigger artificial brain,

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and you train it with more computing power, or more computational resources, and with more data. The thing is gonna get smarter and smarter and smarter as you scale those things together, roughly speaking. Now, if you wanna keep scaling, it's not like it keeps going up if you double the amount of computing power, that the thing gets twice as smart.

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Instead, what happens is if you want it goes in like orders of magnitude. So if you have you want to make it another kind of increment smarter, you've got a 10x. You've got to increase by a factor of 10 the amount of compute and then a factor of 10 against. Now you're a factor of 100 and then 10 again. So if you look at the amount of compute that's been used to train these systems over time.

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It's this like exponential, explosive exponential that just keeps going like higher and higher and higher and steepens and steepens like 10x every – I think it's about every two years now. You 10x the amount of compute. Now, you can only do that so many times until your data center is like a $100 billion, a trillion dollar database. $10 trillion, like every year you're kind of doing that.

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So right now, if you look at the clusters, like, you know, the ones that Elon is building, the ones that Sam is building, you know, Memphis and, you know, Texas, like these facilities are hitting the like, you know, $100 billion scale. Like we're kind of in that or tens of billions of dollars actually.

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Looking at 2027, you're kind of more in that space, right? So you can only do 10x so many more times until you run out of money, but more importantly, you run out of chips. Like literally TSMC cannot pump out those chips fast enough to keep up with this insane growth. And one consequence of that is that you essentially have like this –

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this gridlock, like new supply chain choke points show up and you're like, suddenly I don't have enough chips or I run out of power. That's the thing that's happening on the US energy grid right now. We're literally like, we're running out of like one, two gigawatt like places where we can plant a data center. That's the thing people are fighting over.

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It's one of the reasons why energy deregulation is a really important pillar of like US competitiveness.

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I mean, yeah. Get the fuck out of here. At a certain point for the producers, too, it's kind of like you'll have people approaching you for help on projects that look nothing like projects you've actually done. Uh-huh. So I feel like it just adds noise to your universe. Like, if you're actually trying to build cool shit...

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Then try a longer task. See like a 10-hour task. Can it do that one? And so right now what they're finding is when it comes to AI research itself, so basically like automate the work of an AI researcher. You're hitting 50% success rates for these AI systems for tasks that take an hour long. And that is doubling every, right now it's like every four months.

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Yeah.

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And it's what you would do, right? I mean, if you're trying to tie up the U.S.

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So what are the big ones? Yeah. So right now, I mean, there are all kinds of things around. It gets in the weeds pretty quickly, but like there are all kinds of things around if you're going to. So carbon emissions is a big thing. Right. So. Yes, data centers, no question, put out like have massive carbon footprints. That's definitely a thing.

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The question is like are you really going to bottleneck builds because of that? And like are you going to come out with exemptions for, you know, like NEPA exemptions for all these kinds of things?

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Yeah, that's a it's a dimension that was flagged actually in the context of what Ed was talking about. That's that's one of the arguments that's being made.

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And one of the one of the big things that you can do, too, is like a quick win is just like impose limits on how much time these things can be allowed to be tied up in litigation. So impose time limits on that process just to say, like, look, I get it. Like, we're going to have this conversation, but this conversation has a clock on it.

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Because we're talking to this one data center company, and what they were saying, we were asking, like, look, what are the timelines when you think about bringing new power, like new natural gas plants online? And they're like, well, those are like five to seven years out. And then you go, okay, well, like how long?

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And that's, by the way, that's probably way too long to be relevant in the superintelligence context. And so you're like, OK, well, how long if all the regulations were waived, if this is like a national security imperative and whatever authorities, you know, Defense Production Act, whatever, like what was in your favor? And they're like, oh, I mean, it's actually just like a two year build.

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Like that's that's what it is. Yeah.

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Like weird shit is cheap. Like the stuff that's like all like, well, the stuff you can get from chatbots and AI agents is cheap, but like food is super expensive or something.

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And that's part of the problem with like – so the Chinese face so many issues. One of them is to kind of – another one is the idea of just waste and fraud, right? So we have a free market. Like what that means is you raise from private capital. People who are pretty damn good at assessing shit will like look at your –

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your setup and assess whether it's worth backing you for these massive multi-billion dollar deals. In China, the state, I mean, the stories of waste are pretty insane. They'll send a billion dollars to a bunch of yahoos who will pivot from whatever, I don't know, making these widgets to just like, oh, now we're like a chip foundry and they have no experience in it.

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But because of all these subsidies, because of all these opportunities, now we're going to say that we are. And then no surprise, two years later, they burn out and they've just lit a billion dollars on fire or whatever billion yen. And, like, the weird thing is this is actually working overall, but it does lead to insane and unsustainable levels of waste.

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Like, the Chinese system right now is obviously, like, they've got their massive property bubble that's looking really bad. We've got a population crisis. The only way out for them is the AI stuff right now. Like, really the only path for them is that, which is why they're working it so hard. But the stories of just, like—

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Billions and tens of billions of dollars being lit on fire specifically in the semiconductor industry, in the AI industry. That's a drag force that they're dealing with constantly that we don't have here in the same way. So it's sort of like the different structural advantages and weaknesses of both systems.

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And when we think about what do we need to do to counter this, to be active in this space, to be a live player again, It means factoring in, like, how do you, yeah, I mean, how do you take advantage of some of those opportunities that their system presents that ours doesn't? When you say be a live player again, like, where do you position us? I think it remains to be seen.

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Right now, this administration is obviously taking bigger swings. What are they doing differently? Things like tariffs. They're not shy about trying new stuff. Tariffs are very complex in this space, like the actual impact of the tariffs, and not universally good, but the onshoring effect is also something that you really want. It's a very mixed bag.

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But it's certainly an administration that's like willing to do high stakes, big moves in a way that other administrations haven't. And in a time when you're looking at a transformative technology that's going to like upend so much about the way the world works, you can't afford to have that mentality we're just talking about with like the nervous.

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I mean, you encountered it with the staffers, you know, when booking the podcast with the presidential cycle, right?

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The kind of like nervous, antsy staffer who – Everything's got to be controlled and it's got to be like just so – Yeah.

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It's like if you – like wrestlers have that mentality of like just like aggression, like feed in, right? Feed forward. Don't just sit back and like wait to take the punch. It's not like one of the guys who helped us out on this has a saying. He's like, fuck you. I go first and it's always my turn. Right.

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That's what success looks like when you actually are managing these kinds of national security issues. The mentality we had adopted was this like sort of siege mentality where we're just letting stuff happen to us and we're not feeding in. That's something that I'm much more optimistic about in this context.

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It's tough, too, because I understand people who hear that and go like, well, look, you're talking about like escalate. This is an escalatory agenda. Again, I actually think paradoxically it's not. It's about keeping adversaries in check and training them to respect American territorial integrity, American technological sovereignty. Like you don't get that for free.

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And if you just sit back, you're that is escalatory. It's just.

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So, yeah, one way to think of it is like there are problems that quantum computers can solve way, way, way, way better than classical computers. And so like the numbers get absurd pretty quickly. It's like problems that a classical computer couldn't solve if it had the entire lifetime of the universe to solve it. Right. A quantum computer right in like 30 seconds. Boom.

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Proof of work. That is what just like the market is theoretically too, right? It's got obviously big issues and can be manipulated in the short term. But in the long run, like this is one of the really interesting things about startups too. Yeah. When you when you run into people in the early days, by definition, their startup looks like it's not going to succeed.

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That is what it means to be a seed stage startup. Right. If it was obvious you were going to succeed, you would, you know, the people would have raised more money already. Yeah. So what you end up having is like these highly contrarian people who, like, despite everybody telling them that they're going to fail, just believe in what they're doing and think they're going to succeed.

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And I think that's part of what really kind of shapes the startup founder's soul in a way that's really constructive. It's also something that, if you look at the Chinese system, is very different. You raise money in very different ways. You're coupled to the state apparatus. You're both dependent on it, And you're you're supported by it. But there's there's just like a lot of different ways.

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And it makes it hard for Americans to relate to Chinese and vice versa and understand each other's systems. One of the biggest risks is you're like thinking through what is your posture going to be relative these countries as you fall into thinking that they're Their traditions, their way of thinking about the world is the same as your own.

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And that's something that's been an issue for us with China for a long time is, you know, hey, they'll liberalize, right? Like, bring them into the World Trade Organization. It's like, oh, well, actually, they'll sign the document, but they won't actually, like, live up to any of the commitments. And it makes appeasement really tempting because you're thinking, oh, they're just like us.

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But but the flip side, like there are problems that quantum computers just like can't help us accelerate. Right. The kinds of like one classic problem that quantum computers help with is this thing called like the traveling salesman paradox or problem where, you know, you have like a bunch of different locations that a salesman needs to hit. And what's the best path to hit them most efficiently?

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Well, hopefully it's so positive some, right, that even they enjoy the benefits. But but I mean, you're right. This is the issue right now. And one of the like the nice things, too, is as you as you build up your your ratchet of AI capabilities, it does start to open some opportunities for actual like trust, but verify. Right. Which is something that we can't do right now.

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It's not like with nuclear stockpiles where we've had some success in some some context with like enforcing treaties and stuff like that, sending inspectors in and all that with with AI right now. some international agreement on the use of AI is being observed.

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It's like kind of a classic problem if you're going around different places and have to make stops. There are a lot of different problems that have the right shape for that. A lot of quantum machine learning, which is a field, is focused on how do we take standard AI problems like AI workloads that we want to run and like massage them into a shape that gives us a quantum advantage.

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Even if we figure out how to control these systems, how can we make sure that China is baking in those control mechanisms into their training runs and that we are, and how can we prove it to each other without having total access to the compute stack? We don't really have a solution for that. There are all kinds of programs like this, like FlexHag thing.

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But anyway, those are not going to be online by like 2027. And so one hope is- But it's really good that people are working on them.

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So the hope is that as you build up your AI capabilities, basically, it starts to create solutions. So it starts to create ways for two countries to verifiably adhere to some kind of international agreement or to find, like you said, like paths for de-escalation. That's the sort of thing that we actually could get to. And that's one of the strong positives of where you could end up going.

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It almost be scary. If you could X-ray the world right now.

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The Meryl Streep thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Meryl Streep? Yeah, the laundromat there.

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Panama Papers.

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What's fascinating is the unhideables, right? The little things that can't help but give away what is happening. You think about this in AI quite a bit. Some things that are hard for companies to hide is they'll have a job posting. They've got to advertise to recruit. So you'll see, oh, interesting. Oh, OpenAI is looking to hire some people from hedge funds. Yeah. Like, I wonder what that means.

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And that's it's a nascent field. There's a lot going on there. I would expect like my personal expectation is that we just. build the human level AI and very quickly after that superintelligence without ever having to factor in quantum, but it's- Marc Thiessen Can you define that for people?

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I wonder what that implies. Like, if you think about all of the leaders in kind of the AI space, think about the Medallion Fund, for example, right? This is like super successful hedge fund, very famous, like what the man who broke the... The man who broke the market. The man who broke the market. It's the famous book about the founder of the Medallion Fund.

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And like, this is basically like a fund that... They make like ridiculous like five billion dollar returns every year kind of guaranteed. So so much so they have to cap how much they invest in the market because they would otherwise like move the market too much, like affect it.

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How are AI systems trained today?

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So to sort of explain why these strategies work better, if you think about how AI systems are trained today, you basically, very roughly, you start with this blob of numbers that's called a model. And you feed it input, you get an output.

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If the output you get is no good, if you don't like the output, you basically fuck around with all those numbers, change them a little bit, and then you try again. You're like, oh, okay, that's better. And you repeat that process over and over and over with different inputs and outputs. And eventually, those numbers, that mysterious ball of numbers starts to behave well.

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It starts to make good predictions or generate good outputs. Now, you don't know why that is. You just know that it does a good job, at least where you've tested it. Now, if you slightly change what you tested on, suddenly you could discover, oh, shit, it's catastrophically failing at that thing. These things are very brittle in that way.

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And that's part of the reason why chat GPT will just like completely go on a psycho binge fest every once in a while if you give it a prompt that has like too many exclamation points and asterisks in it or something. These systems are weirdly brittle in that way. But applied to investment strategies, if all you're doing is saying optimize for returns, give it inputs, give it output.

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So you end up with a machine that gives you these very – like it is a very weird strategy. This ball of numbers isn't human understandable. It's just really fucking good at making you money. And why is it really fucking good at making you money? I don't know. I mean it just kind of does the thing and I'm making money. I don't ask too many questions. That's kind of like the –

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So when you try to impose on that system human interpretability, you pay what in the AI world is known as the interpretability tax. Basically, you're adding another constraint. And the minute you start to do that, you're forcing it to optimize for something other than pure rewards.

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That's actually related, right? That's related. If you want that system to get good at diagnosis, that's one thing. Okay, just fucking make it good at diagnosis. If you want it to be good at diagnosis and to produce explanations that a good doctor will go like, okay, I'll use that. Well, great. But guess what?

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Now you're spending some of that precious compute on something other than just the thing you're trying to optimize for. And so now that's going to come at a cost of the actual performance of the system. And so if you are going to optimize like the fuck out of making money, you're going to

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you're going to necessarily deoptimize the fuck out of anything else, including being able to even understand what that system is doing. And that's kind of like at the heart of a lot of the kind of big picture AI strategy stuff is people are wondering like, how much interpretability tax am I willing to pay here? And how much does it cost?

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And everyone's willing to go a little bit further and a little bit further. So OpenAI actually had a paper or I guess a blog post where they talked about this. And they were like, look, Right now, we have this this essentially this like thought stream that our model produces on the way to generating its final output.

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And that thought stream, like we don't want to touch it to make it like interpretable, to make it make sense, because if we do that, then essentially it'll be optimized to convince us of whatever the thing is that we want it.

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Okay, so there's good news on that one at least. This is kind of a bullshit strategy that they're using. Okay, so when you make these insane like five nanometers.

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So there's but actually, though, so there's a good reason that a lot of these articles are making it seem like this is a huge breakthrough. It actually isn't as big as it seems. So, okay, if you want to make really, really, really, really exquisite chips- Look at this quote.

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Gizmo China. There it is. Yeah. You can view that as like Chinese propaganda in a way actually. So what's actually going on here is – so the Chinese only have these deep ultraviolet lithography machines. That's like a lot of syllables. But it's just a glorified – like it's a giant laser that zaps your chips to like make the chips when you're fabbing them.

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Like basically, this is just imprinting a pattern on a chip.

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Yeah. So that's it. And so the the exquisite machines that we get to use or that they get to use in Taiwan are called extreme ultraviolet lithography machines. These are those crazy lasers. The ones that China can use because we've prevented them from getting any of those extreme ultraviolet lithography machines. The ones China uses are previous generation machines called deep ultraviolet.

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And they can't actually make chips as high a resolution as ours. So what they do is, and what this article is about is, they basically take the same chip, they zap it once with DUV, and then they got to pass it through again, zap it again to get closer to the level of resolution we get in one pass with our exquisite machine.

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Now, the problem with that is you've got to pass the same chip through multiple times, which slows down your whole process. It means your yields at the end of the day are lower.

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Yeah, which makes it more costly. We've known that this is a thing that's called multi-patterning. It's been a thing for a long time. There's nothing new under the sun here. China has been doing this for a while. So it's not actually a huge shock that this is happening. The question is always, when you look at an announcement like this, yields, yields, yields.

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how, like what percentage of the chips coming out are actually usable and how fast are they coming out? That determines like, is it actually competitive?

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And it's also, like, slightly true. Like, yeah, they did manage to make chips at, like, 5 nanometers.

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Right now, they're in the middle of staffing up some of the key positions because it's a new administration still, and this is such a technical domain. They've got people there who are at the working level who are really sharp.

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Yeah. And that's that's really important. Like this is a it's a weird space because so when you want to actually recruit for for, you know, government roles in the space, it's really fucking hard because you're competing against like an open AI, like very like low range salaries, like half a million dollars a year.

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The government pay scale, needless to say, is like not – I mean Elon worked for free. He can afford to but still taking a lot of time out of his day. There's a lot of people like that who are like – they can't justify the cost.

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Exactly. Whereas China is like, you don't have a choice, bitch.

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The Chinese word for bitch is really biting. Like if you translated that, it would be a real mistake.

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And he surrounds himself. I mean, look, we just talked about like information echo chambers online and stuff. The ultimate information echo chamber is the one around Xi Jinping right now. Because no one wants to give him bad news. I'm not going to. Like, I don't, you know, like, and, and so, and you have this, and this is what you keep seeing, right.

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Is like with these, um, uh, like, um, like provincial level debt in, in China, right. Which is so awful. It's like people trying to hide money under imaginary money, money under imaginary mattresses, and then hiding those mattresses under bigger mattresses until eventually like No one knows where the liability is.

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And that and then you get a massive property bubble and any number of other bubbles that are due to to pop any time. Right.

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It also wasn't just kill the people, right? It was like a lot of like kind of gulag archipelago style. It's about labor, right? Because the fundamentals of the economy are so shit that you basically have to find a way to justify putting people in labor camps.

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very much like you grind mostly or largely you grind them to death and basically they've gone away and you burn the records of it happening so literally towns right that disappeared like people who are like there's no record or there's like or usually the way you know about it is there's like one dude it's like this one dude has a very precarious escape story and it's like if literally this dude didn't get away you wouldn't know about the entire town that was like wiped out yeah it's crazy Jesus Christ

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Yeah. Apart from that, though, communism works really well.

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That's right.

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And we have a 10-page plan.

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Yeah. One of the things is, too, when you have such a big structure that's overseeing such complexity, right? Obviously, a lot of stuff can hide in that structure. And it's not unrelated to the whole AI picture. You need... There's only so much compute that you have at the top of that system that you can spend, right, as the president, as a cabinet member, like whatever.

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You can't look over everyone's shoulder and do their homework. You can't do founder mode all the way down and all the branches and all the like action officers and all that shit. That's not going to happen, which means.

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You're spending five seconds thinking about how to unfuck some part of the government, but then the corrupt people who run their own fiefdoms there spend every day trying to figure out how to survive.

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I thought some of the Doge stuff was pretty bipartisan. There's congressional support at least on both sides, no?

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One of the things, too, that by definition, if you build a human level AI, one of the things it must be able to do as well as humans is AI research itself. Yeah. Or at least the parts of AI research that you can do in just like software, like, you know, by coding or whatever these systems are designed to do. And so one implication of that is you now have automated AI researchers, right?

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But they haven't done that. Hence the $36 trillion of debt. It's a problem too, though, in all, like when you're a big enough organization, you run into this problem. Like Google has this problem famously, Facebook. Like we had, we had friends like, like Jason. So Jason's the, the, the guy you spoke to about that. Like, So so he's he's like a startup engineer.

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So he works in like relatively small code bases and he he like, you know, can hold the whole code base in his head at a time. But when you move over to, you know, Google to Facebook, like all of a sudden this gargantuan code base starts to look more like the complexity of the U.S. government, just like very, you know, very roughly. So now you're like, OK, well, we want to add functionality.

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So we want to incentivize our teams to build products that are going to be valuable. And the challenge is the best way to incentivize that is to give people incentives to build new functionality, not to refactor. There's no glory. If you work at Google, there's no glory in refactoring. If you work at Meta, there's no glory in refactoring.

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You have to be a product owner. So you have to like invent the next Gmail. You got to invent the next Google Calendar. You got to do the next messenger app. That's how you get promoted. And so you've got like this attitude. You go into there and you're like, let me crank this stuff out and like try to ignore all the shit in the code base. No glory in there.

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And what you're left with is this like, A, this Frankenstein monster of a code base that you just keep stapling more shit onto. And then B, this massive graveyard of apps that never get used. This is like the thing Google is famous for. If you ever see like the Google graveyard of apps, it's like all these things that you're like, oh, yeah, I guess I kind of remember Google Me.

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And it's also kind of the only way to, I mean, or maybe it's probably not, but in the world where humans are doing the oversight, that's your limitation, right? You got some people at the top who have a limited bandwidth and compute that they can dedicate to like hunting down the problems. AI agents might actually solve that.

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9609.999

You could actually have a sort of autonomous AI agent that is the autonomous CEO or something go into an organization and uproot all the things and do that refactor. You could get way more efficient organizations out of that.

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I mean, thinking about government corruption and waste in front, that's the kind of thing where those sorts of tools could be radically empowering, but you got to get them to work right and for you. Yeah.

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If we've made you sufficiently uncomfortable.

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Was the butt tap too much at the beginning? No, it was fine. All of it was weird.

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And if you have automated AI researchers, that means you have AI systems that can automate the development of the next level of their own capabilities.

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On the control side, there's also a world where, and this is actually like if you talk to the labs, this is what they're actually planning to do. But it's a question of how methodically and carefully they can do this. The plan is to ratchet up capabilities and then scale, in other words.

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And then as you do that, you start to use your AI systems, your increasingly clever and powerful AI systems, to do research on technical control. So you basically build the next generation of systems. You try to get that generation of systems to help you just inch forward a little bit more on the capability side.

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It's a very precarious balance, but it's something that at least isn't insane on the face of it. And fortunately, I mean... Is the default path – or the labs are talking about that kind of control element as being a key pillar of their strategy.

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And now you're getting into that whole singularity thing where it's an exponential that just builds on itself and builds on itself, which is kind of why a lot of people argue that if you build human-level AI, superintelligence can't be that far away. You've basically unlocked...

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Because I would imagine they don't want to lose control. Right. There's a lot of – ambiguity and uncertainty about what's going on in China.

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So there's been a lot of like track 1.5, track 2 diplomacy, basically where you have, you know, non-government guys from one side talk to government guys from the other side or talk to non-government from the other side and kind of start to align on like, okay, what do we think the issues are?

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You know, the Chinese are, there are a lot of like freaked out Chinese researchers and have come out publicly and said, hey, like, we're really concerned about this whole loss of control thing. There are public statements and all that. You also have to be mindful that any statement the CCP puts out is a statement they want you to see.

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So when they say like, oh, yeah, we're really worried about this thing. It's genuinely hard to assess what that even means. But they're like as you as you start to build these systems, we expect you're going to see some evidence of this shit before. And it's not necessarily it's not like you're going to build the system necessarily and have it take over the world like what we see with agents.

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9954.429

And the loss of control stuff is similar. So one interesting thing that happens with AI agents today is they'll get any... So an AI agent will take a complex task that you give it, like find me the best sneakers for me online, some shit like that. And they'll break it down into a series of sub-steps. And then each of those steps, it'll farm out to a version of itself, say, to execute autonomously.

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#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

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The more complex a task is, the more of those little sub-steps there are in it. And so you can have an AI agent that nails like 99% of those steps, but if it screws up just one, the whole thing is a flop, right?

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#2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

9990.571

And so if you think about like the sort of like loss of control scenarios that a lot of people look at are autonomous replication, like the model gets access to the internet, copies itself onto servers and all that stuff. Those are very complex movements. If it screws up at any point along the way, that's a tell like, oh, shit, something's happening there.

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Okay, here it is. But over the past two years, questions have arisen about some of Maslia's research. A science investigation has now found that scores of his lab studies at UCSD and NIA are riddled with apparently falsified Western blots, images used to show the presence of proteins and micrographs of brain tissue.

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Numerous images seem to have been inappropriately reused within and across papers, sometimes published years apart in different journals, describing divergent experimental conditions. After science brought initial concerns about Maslia's work...

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To their attention, the neuroscientists and forensic analysts specializing in scientific work who had previously worked with science produced a 300-page dossier revealing a steady stream of suspect images between 1997 and 2023. 132 of his published research papers. Science did not pay them for their work.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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In our opinion, this pattern of anomalous data raises credible concern for research misconduct and calls into question a remarkably large body of scientific work.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Jeez. Dwarfs the rest of the National Institute, the NIA combined. Right.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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That is so crazy. So the budget of the Division of Neuroscience alone was $2.6 billion in the last fiscal year. And this guy was a key leader for the effort. Man, how gross. But that's pressure and competition and very ambitious people who have shitty morals. Right? That's what that is. Yes. Publisher perish. Publisher perish is the motto, right?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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And when someone does publish, like this gentleman who allegedly published falsified data, is there someone who goes over that stuff to make sure that that's not the case?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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That's being kind. That's being kind. I'm trying to be kind. Yeah, because otherwise it's fraudulent, right? It is. Correct. I was just reading an article about Alzheimer's that was claiming that Alzheimer's didn't even exist until modern times. Statins. statins cause Alzheimer's? Is that what you're saying? This article was connecting it to our diet, the standard American diet.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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And they were saying that all the bullshit food that people eat is contributing to this condition. And what I was going to get to you is that would lead to inflammation, correct? You got it. Because the bullshit American diet filled with crap is terrible for you. And that leads to inflammation.

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I'm sure we talked about Rick Perry before the podcast started. So I'm sure you're aware of his push to legalize Ibogaine and start using Ibogaine for – People with traumatic brain injuries and he was talking about how it regenerates neural tissue and helps people significantly. And then on top of that, the addiction issue where people have addictions and Ibogaine is incredible for curing those.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Yeah. Like literally curing them. In one with one session, it's in the 80 percent range. With two sessions, it's somewhere around 97 percent, which is just crazy. 93 to 97 percent. It's phenomenal.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Well, because of a stupid law that was passed in 1970 to punish Richard Nixon's political opponents. That's really what it is. Was it? Yeah, that's what it is. It was about the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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And so one of the ways to get at these people, they knew that one of the big shifts of culture, if you go back to like we talk about it ad nauseum on the podcast, but there's just a gigantic shift in culture from the 1950s to the 1960s. It's almost unimaginable the amount of change that takes place. And what you have to imagine as a person today is 2015.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Yeah, it essentially generates this response in your body that prepares itself for a fight that never takes place. Correct. And then you're always thinking you're about to get into some sort of a physical altercation with an armed enemy coming over the top of the hill.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Now, you think in time, things accelerate even more rapidly and change is more exponential. It's more crazy in time. And it's kind of sort of true with some technologies, especially today with AI. But if you go back to 2015, and if you were just driving around in 2015, everything is essentially the same. The phones look pretty much the same. The cars look pretty much the same.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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There's not much difference. There's not much difference in your life. If you go from 1959 to 1969, you have a totally different fucking world. You have a totally different world of culture. Totally different world of movies. Totally different world of music. Totally different world of automobile design. You have a totally different world that I believe is inspired by psychedelic drugs.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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And when Nixon throws the water on the psychedelic movement in 1970 and makes them all schedule one, including things that aren't even psychoactive. By the way, missed a bunch of really good ones. Missed a bunch of really good ones that are still legal. One of them was salvia, which is fucking bananas, an insanely potent psychedelic drug that was completely legal. So...

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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If you look at it culturally, you see this shift. You see the movies get clunkier and goofy. You see the cars start to look like shit. You see the music starts to suck. It starts to be like real frivolous and very surface. It's cocaine music, right? It's not Led Zeppelin. It's not psychedelic music. It's not The Doors. Jimi Hendrix, yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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It's not Hendrix.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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There it is. It's not voodoo child. It's something completely divorced from feeling, right? And this is because of Richard Nixon.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Exactly. Yeah. I agree with you. We talked about the sympathetic use. Compassionate. Compassionate use. There's people that are going to use things and they're going to abuse things. Just like you and I are having a glass of whiskey. Cheers, sir. Playoffs. We're talking about playoffs? You bet we are. Get in on the action with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL.

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Exactly. And the thing, the Army and a lot of these people that you've worked with is from IEDs and from blowing through doors and stuff like that, they get damage to their pituitary gland. You know, we've talked about it many, many times on the podcast.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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But we are... Responsible adults.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2015.13

I'm entitled to a refill?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2016.471

Yes, sir. Okay. There you go. Get in there, you fucking drunk. I took my glutathione. I know you did. I know you did.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2036.826

13 years ago?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2048.716

There's not a chance in hell. I have stuff to do. Oh, we all do. And I just worked out. Did you take glutathione? I haven't taken it yet. No, I take it every night. Sure. If you got some, go get me some. I take it every night. I take liposomal. That's what that is. There you go. Oh, I have to suck on this, right? It tastes like shit. No. Brain rescue number three. No. Is this your company?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Millennium. Yeah, it's Millennium.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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That's actually good.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2082.946

That actually doesn't taste bad at all. I always get nervous when you're eating something out of a tube.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2104.034

Yeah. A long time ago. A long time ago. But- Yeah, because of meeting you, I mean, I really ramped up all of my nutritional supplements, you know, in a big way. Because back then when I first met you, had to be 15 years ago, right? Somewhere around then?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2120.081

At least. When I first met you, I was just basically taking multivitamins. I wasn't really like strict about it. And then when you started doing blood work and explaining things to me and, you know, and breaking down the nutritional deficiencies, like you need niacin, you need this, you need that. And I started taking all that stuff and it's It makes a significant difference. It really does.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2139.329

And I talk to a lot of people that are skeptical about vitamins and they talk to their doctors, unfortunately. And the reality is that you're very educated in this department, but many doctors have a cursory at best understanding of nutrition. Their specialty is their specialty. If they're a urologist or they're an orthopedic surgeon, that's their specialty.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2161.076

And most of them are very unhealthy, unfortunately. Correct. And they're under the illusion that you can get everything that you need to live optimally with a balanced diet. That's horseshit, people.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2174.425

Yeah. And you notice it eventually. Look, when I go on vacation, I've gone on vacation before, like seven-day vacations and not taken vitamins with me. I feel shitty. Yeah, man. Like I feel different. Like at the end of seven days, I'm like, Jesus, I need some fucking vitamins. So I don't do that anymore. Now when I go on vacation, I take vitamins with me. I'm like, what's the big deal?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2192.196

I pack underwear, pack my fucking vitamins, and I just make sure that I have everything that I need. And if I don't do that, I don't feel the same. And I think it's just the difference between being alive. Do you need to be alive? No. But we're not talking about just alive. We're talking about optimization. And if you want to feel better, and everybody does, you should take vitamins.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

22.264

Yeah, that long ago. Four years, geez. Yeah, it's been four years. But last time you were here, right? Correct.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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And you should take a bunch. You should take a lot of different stuff.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2245.891

I thought B12 was essentially from animals.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2266.075

What about folks that are getting their food organically? They go to a farmer's market. They get really good organic groceries.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2299.663

Ideally, you'd like just a natural process of compost and manure and stuff like that.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2312.868

Do you know that people used to go to war over bat shit?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2317.65

Isn't that nuts? Yeah. Like guano was so important for fertilizer.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2331.054

Ew. Guano. You imagine kissing someone, they got batshit lipstick on. They had guano wars. Yeah, they really did have guano wars. Isn't that nuts? Isn't that where batshit crazy came from?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2343.384

I think the term batshit crazy, I think that had something to do with how feverant people would fight in a war over batshit. Is it fervent? Yeah, fervent. Yeah, it's a good word. I like bats. There's a lot of words I don't use, but I read them. And then when it's time to use them, I'm like, that's the appropriate road. I'm like, how do you even fucking say that?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2366.052

I think that's where the term batshit crazy came from. One bizarre blink, guano ruled U.S. agriculture and the world. How fertilizer madness sparked into a turd war and turned guano into gold. Yeah, man. People needed that for fertilizer. Yeah. Does it talk about the cosmetic use of guano?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2396.998

This is interesting. It says, prior to modern science and agriculture, the whys and hows of soil health largely were mysterious. How soil additives functioned or the knowledge of which minerals were needed and when was the realm of the blind. Beyond animal manure, farmers added soil amendments by the barrel.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2414.37

Composts, human waste, fish, coal byproducts, chalk, or whatever unholy concoction was hawked by the latest charlatan to pull up in a wagon at town's edge and promise a yield bloom.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2426.198

Decade upon decade, the pitfalls of fertilization tormented growers until 1802 when German explorer and scientist Alexander von Humboldt strolled down a waterfront in Peru and felt his nose hairs curl in ammonia rebellion and an odor emanating from barge loads of yellow-brown cake guano.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2446.211

Von Humboldt was told the stinking bird droppings covered the nearby Chincha Islands in deep layers and were massively popular with Peruvian farmers. So this is interesting. So that's how they started doing this. So this is in the 1800s.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2475.482

You know what's the most interesting stuff about fertilizer? Yeah. It's shit to me. Yeah. Do you know that soil that they have in the Amazon that was created by man? No. Yeah. It's called terra preta. And Graham Hancock told me about it. There's a very specific soil in the Amazon that they think –

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2499.238

people from you know thousands of years ago figured out how to make and this is like some sort of a compost process and it's a very dark soil called terra preta and this dark soil that exists on the surface layer of a lot of the amazon was put there by man And not just put there by man, but created. Like they had a process that they have not replicated to this day.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2523.786

They don't know what it is or how they did it. But they're very aware that there was a process involved in making this stuff and that it's not a natural process of this stuff forming. At least that's what he said.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2535.718

Let me show him some terra preta. It's pretty fascinating. So it's a dark earth. It's very interesting because you see it and you're like, that's what it looks like. So you see the terra preta is on the surface and then you go below it and you just get like regular dirt. But this terra preta made everything very, very rich. And, you know, it grew so much plants. It's just like...

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2561.603

Do you know that the Amazon is mostly human planted plants that grew out of control? Yeah. Who planted it? The original settlers of the Amazon. This is the theory, right? They know now that the Amazon was heavily populated. They didn't used to think that. They used to think there was just this crazy wild jungle and there's indigenous populations to live inside of it.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2584.985

Well, at one point in time, there were cities. So there's grids. They found indications of some sort of transportation of water. It looked like streets. They had grids that indicate there were structures there. All throughout, from the use of LIDAR...

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2602.932

Well, it's from actually drones. So they fly over with drones and they scan the area. They probably could use satellites too, but they use drones. They scan the air and even airplanes. They scan the area and then they get these images that show these geometric patterns that exist below. And so they've unearthed a lot of these.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2621.377

And so now they think there were millions of people living in the Amazon and that what probably happened was Europeans came over and gave them all smallpox.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Just like they did with 90% of Native Americans. But what was done there was done in a place where they had made this environment with terra preta. And just because of the lush rainforest, it rains constantly and vegetation grows so well that as soon as they were gone, within a couple hundred years, everything's consumed by the jungle.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2652.113

And then you lead thousands and thousands and thousands of years in the future. There's nothing left. And that's what they think they're looking at when they're looking at these large sections of the Amazon that have these patterns and structures that indicate civilization.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

2693.143

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Get 50% off your new SimpliSafe system with professional monitoring and get your first month free at simplisafe.com slash rogan. That's simplisafe.com slash rogan for 50% off and your first month free. There's no safe like SimpliSafe. Stuff. It just makes you wonder.

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How many of those exist out there, you know, in the Mexican jungles and in the Guatemalan jungles and that we don't even know about?

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There's probably a ton of them back there. There's probably a bunch of stuff because the Amazon is so huge and most of it is not explored. Most of it is, you know, there's a bunch of different uncontacted tribes that live in there.

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In fact, my friend Paul Rosalie, do you know who Paul Rosalie is? No.

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No. He's essentially working to save the rainforest. And what he does is he goes down there and he hires these people that were loggers to have a new job. And the new job is to protect the forest instead. And they've saved like shit. I don't know what the number is, but an incredible large number of acres they've saved this way. And they continue to do this.

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So that was like right after a couple months after I moved here. Yeah, so almost exactly four years.

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And they're trying to work with these people and try to stop them from just destroying the Amazon.

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So my friend Paul, he runs into uncontacted tribes all the time. Really? Many times.

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He sent me a video the other day that I can't share. It's crazy. These uncontacted tribes, these naked people in the jungle in 2025. It's really wild.

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Yeah. Well, you know, isolation from what? From us assholes? From us. Yeah. But they live the way people lived, you know, 100,000 years ago. And I would, God, if I could be a fly on the wall. Can you imagine the documentary? If we get really good at drones to the point where you can have a bunch of drones that really do look like insects and fly them in there and film these folks. Yeah.

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And just without them being – but the problem then, people would want to go visit them.

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He doesn't want people to know that there's these people out there. And there's a lot of them. He said, well, one of his friends was killed. One of his friends was murdered by these people. With the darts. No, they got him with arrows.

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But they shot him with bows and arrows. They just fucking killed him. And this was a guy that was giving them stuff, too. It's like he was bringing over rafts of food. And they're like, you know what? Today, fuck you. We killed a bunch of fish today. We don't need your bananas.

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Oh, yeah. They love monkeys.

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You know what I found out recently? The term Indian is not because Columbus thought that he was in India. I'd been told that in fucking high school. So what is it? It's the children of God. What is the original term of indios? I forget the term. But it's not about India. It's just they called them Indians because they were the people that were living here in this place that they had named.

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The indigenous. But, you know, like everybody thinks like America, you know, like you think of Native Americans, you know, that we used to call them Indians because they thought we landed in India. Columbus landed in India or he thought he landed in India. Did he really? What's that? What's that?

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Right, but there's a term, though. There's a term like the people of God. The Portuguese word is indios.

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Yeah, but there's another term. There's something that has to do with indios. See, AI is wrong about stuff sometimes. Where did the term...

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Right, right, right. Just type in why are Native Americans called Indians. That's not going to get you there either. Origin of the word Indian.

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So I was listening to this guy talk about this in a lecture. I wish I saved it. I absorb too much information and don't follow through on it. I'll go with our shredded post. Here's this one. What does it say? Always in the impression that we use the term Indian because Europeans were mistaken that they landed in India.

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However, this HuffPost article explains that it wasn't possible that we use the term Hindustan for India. That's what it is. And that Europeans used the term Indio earlier on, which had morphed into Indian. That's right. It was Indio. So click on the HuffPost article. The name Indian and political correctness.

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Right. Well, this guy was – it was a lecture this guy was giving. Yeah.

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Right, could be. What is he saying? What's his term? Because there was something... There was something that had to do. That's right. Los niños indios. Los niños. Okay. We called them los niños. Spelling may be wrong. The children of God. The description by the Padre means something like the children of God. After many years of use, the word indios emerged.

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And to this day, the indigenous people of South and Central America are called indios.

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Hmm.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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So this is what this guy was saying. So it said, stop, scroll back, go back. So it said, here, I'm a firm believer that most historians are wrong when they credit Christopher Columbus for corning the word Indian because he thought he was landing his ships in India. By 1492, there was no country known as India. Instead, that country was called Hindustan.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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I think that it's closer to the truth that Spanish Padre that sailed with Columbus was so impressed by the innocence of the natives, he observed, that he called them los ninos indios. Meaning, spelling may be wrong in the Spanish words, but the description by the Padre means something like the children of God.

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After many years of uses, the word indios emerged, and to this day, the indigenous people of South and Central America are called indios. I'm told that as the word wound its way north, it evolved into Indian. Of course, some will say that there was a place in the East Indies in 1492, and Columbus may have thought he was headed for that region.

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So how and when did the effort to politicize the name start? Some of it started when Native Americans enrolled in some of the white colleges. I think they found the word Indian offensive and set about to remake it. They found that the word Indian was often used in a derogatory fashion, such as drunken Indian or rotten Indian.

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Perhaps the white people would have found it more difficult to say drunken Native American. Those white people. Yeah, those dirty white people.

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They're a problem. Finally, when some Indian journalists made it to the newsrooms of large and prestigious mainstream newspapers, they reacted to the word Indian as they did when they were in college. They went to their editors and tried to impress upon them the paper should no longer use the word Indian, but instead switch to Native American or native. Interesting.

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The problem even with Native American is native for how long? So, like, if you believe the Bering landmass theory that they came across that way, that in a lot of Native Americans, and this was actually tested because of Mormons. So there was a wealthy Mormon who spent a bunch of money on DNA testing for Native Americans because he was sure that it was going to relieve.

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It was going to show that they were from the lost tribe of Israel because he believed that, you know, the Mormon teaching is that like the Indians and Native Americans are lost tribes of Israel. But then he found out when they did the DNA testing. No, they're from Siberia. Like a lot of them are from Siberia. So that would make sense.

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They crossed the Bering Land Bridge, their ancestors did, and they wound up in North America.

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Yeah, we bought Alaska for like 50 bucks. Yeah. That was like the deal of a lifetime. They talk about – In Manhattan might be the better deal. Like financially, it's worth a lot more. Yeah. But goddamn, Alaska is bigger than Texas. Alaska is huge. Yeah. And you've gone there hunting, right? Oh, yeah. I've gone there a few times. It's an incredible place. Alaska is incredible. It's really wild.

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Like that's the last real frontier. If you want to get away, move to a small town in Alaska and go live next to Sarah Palin. Yeah.

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Remember when she said that? She said Russia. But you can't even see the rest of Alaska. Alaska is huge. What are you saying?

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I love the people. The people are just different, man. They're just rugged people. They're more reliable. They're built better. You know how certain gene expressions are turned on and off due to stress and – Imagine their genes. They're dealing with fucking grizzly bears and moose and shit.

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I'm sure you've seen this video of this guy goes outside of his house in the morning and two gigantic moose are duking it out in his driveway. Head to head. Head to head. Bouncing off cars and shit. This guy's like, whoa. And he lives in a neighborhood. It's like this guy isn't in the woods somewhere like on his own. He's in a fucking neighborhood. These moose are duking it out.

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You had black bears. No, brown bear of California. No, no, no, no, no.

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No, no. Brown bears have been extinct in California since the 1800s. They look brown and they're black? Yes. The last guy to die from bear attacks, from a brown bear, was Steven Levesque. And he died in what's now Levesque, California. They named the town after him. And it's right outside of Tohon Ranch.

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Well, I'll tell you what it is. It's called a color-faced bear. So it's a different bear. So there's a brown bear, which is a grizzly bear, and the Kodiak bear, and those bears. But they're all the same bear. The difference between a grizzly bear and a brown bear is just mostly what they eat.

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So the brown bears in Alaska have so much salmon that they have immense amounts of protein, and they're the largest of all the brown bears. They're fucking huge. Huge. They're much, much, much, much bigger than a black bear.

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And what's the protocol that did that?

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No, they're brown color phase. So brown bears can be, excuse me, black bears. Black bears can be brown. Most of them are black. Some of them are even blonde. There's blonde color phase bears that they find up in Alberta, but they're black bears. So a black bear is less aggressive than a grizzly bear.

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A grizzly bear is a brown bear, and they were killing so many people in California that they wiped them out.

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What is in the nutraceutical?

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Did they get it? No. No.

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Oh, they can move. They move very, very, very fast. It was unbelievable. You'd be amazed at how fast they can move. Like when they're chasing after another bear or something's happening, they move very fast.

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But in Pasadena, they have a lot of those. A lot of them. In Pasadena? Mm-hmm. There's a funny video of this guy in Pasadena. He's walking down a street, and he turns into an alley, and he's just staring at his phone. And he's walking with his phone, and this guy gets within like 30 feet of a fucking bear. Wow. See, you can find it. It's hilarious.

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In Pasadena, like in full-on Pasadena, not like the outskirts and the bush. Right. No, like actual street, city street in Pasadena, Black Bear.

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Well, you usually make a noise and try to startle it and frighten it and get the fuck out of it. You yell at it. Like, hey, bear. You say, hey, bear. That's what people do. They say, hey, bear. The thing is, like, bears that have been accustomed to people, so that right there is a black bear. That is not a brown bear.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Yeah. Like I said, they get even blonde. So that's a color phase black bear. Intimidating. Yeah. Well, let's see the difference, though. Pull up grizzly bear. So a grizzly bear is a completely different motherfucker. Yeah. So on the state flag of California.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Yes. That is a brown bear that is no longer. Look at the size of those motherfuckers. See, that's a different thing. Whoa. See the difference in the size? So that's a black bear and that's a grizzly bear. Grizzlies are much bigger, much more aggressive, much more dangerous. But interestingly enough, black bears turn out to be more predatory towards humans.

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So when a black bear attacks people, usually it's trying to eat them. Whereas when a grizzly attacks people, generally, like a large percentage of the attacks are people accidentally stumbling upon a mother and their cubs. That's the worst case scenario. Because it's protective. Yeah, you get near a mama bear. That's so terrifying. Because they just try to eliminate the threat immediately.

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And they just go after you and fuck you up. They don't look at you and go, what are you doing? What's this about? They have to protect their cubs. And there's so much cannibalism in the bear world.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Male grizzlies eat cubs, and they hunt cubs. And so there's so much cannibalism of cubs from male grizzlies that the females are always on edge. Because everywhere they go, their fear is that they run into a male who's going to eat their cubs. Grizzlies are fucking ruthless. These assholes that think they want to bring grizzlies back to California. Right.

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This is like a movement now to bring grizzlies back because just like they brought wolves back to Colorado. These people are retarded and they've never spent a second in the woods. They don't know what the fuck they're dealing with. They don't know what you're bringing back and what the consequences are going to be. Of those things. And look, there's places they exist, and they're great.

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It's awesome. Go to Montana, you can see them. Go to Wyoming, you can see them. They're starting to make their way into Colorado. A friend of mine saw one in the San Juan Mountains. We've got video footage of it.

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Mm-hmm.

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No, there's a lot of hunting of bears, not in the lower 48. So they're trying to change that. They're trying to change that in Montana because they have so many instances and attacks. And a woman was killed a couple years ago. She was dragged out of her tent. Yeah, it's scary shit, man. And I'm not advocating for the eradication of grizzlies.

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I'm just saying that with our modern society, when they haven't existed in an ecosystem, to reintroduce that to the ecosystem, you're going to cause chaos. You're going to cause havoc. And if you want healthy breeding populations of them... Good luck. Good luck. Because now everything changes. All your livestock changes. Your dogs change. Your dog's going to get eaten.

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Anything you have a dog chained up in the backyard, that's meat on a stick. Yeah, that's what it is.

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Meat on a chain.

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Yeah, it's over. And they're going to do that. They're going to target your garbage. You're not going to be able to get rid of them. They're going to keep coming back. They're dangerous animals. And they're beautiful and amazing and an important part of the ecosystems that they exist in currently, like Montana and Wyoming where there's elk populations and a lot of food for them. Yeah. And Alaska.

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They are.

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The way they die without me is way worse. If I get them, I'm going to get them with an arrow, and they're going to be dead in seconds. If they get attacked by a bear or a mountain lion, it's fucking brutal. It's brutal. And the worst, I mean, they might just freeze to death. That's how most of them go. I shot an elk a couple years ago that was 11 years old, and he had almost no teeth left.

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His teeth were ground down because they don't live long, and part of it is because they can't grind food after a certain age. Yeah, because no teeth? No teeth. Because their teeth are just digging into the ground and pulling out shrubs and grasses, and they're constantly mashing and smashing. And over the period of 11 years, his teeth had worn down to the roots.

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The Joe Rogan Experience.

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You've hunted bears? I've eaten bears before. And you've eaten it? Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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It's like a pig fucked a cow. That's what it's like. It's like a weird kind of beef. Maybe a deer fucked a cow. It's good, though. But it's dependent upon the diet of the animal. So, like, the people that hunt grizzly bears and they've eaten grizzly bears or brown bears, they say they taste so fishy it's almost intolerable. But you could turn them into sausage.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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You could do it with the right spices and stuff. Like, bear sausage is great. But you also have to be careful because of trichinosis. So you have to make sure you cook it to 160 plus degrees to kill off the trichinosis. Because I know several people that got trichinosis from bear meat. Heart? Well, it's just parasites in your muscles. Yeah. And it doesn't have too many adverse effects.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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It means very painful and brutal for the beginning exposure, you know, the beginning infection. But then the thing is, like, if you're a cannibal and you eat that dude and you don't cook him right, you're going to get it from him, which is really crazy.

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Sure.

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Yeah, especially wild pigs. Yeah. You know what the number one source of trichinosis is for people in America? No. Black bears. Isn't that crazy? Think about how few people eat black bears. Yeah. But it's the number one cause. It's the number one source of trichinosis in America for people that test positive for it. So it's through contamination? From food. From eating them. From eating them.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Yeah, because there's a lot of people that hunt black bears.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Yeah. Want to really get blown away? Yeah. You know what state has the largest population per capita of black bears in the country? Uh, Wyoming? New Jersey. No way. Yep. New Jersey. New Jersey. New Jersey has an infestation of black bears. New Jersey, we played this video a hundred times with these giant bears that are duking it out in a beautiful suburb of far Rockaway, New Jersey.

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So it's like nice, nice, normal, not like the woods. Yeah. Not like, you know, fucking... Residential area. Yeah, not the mountains. Residential area. They knock over this mailbox and they're duking it out in the street. Big fucking bears. Big bears. A guy recently shot the state record black bear in New Jersey, and it was 800 pounds. Yeah. You should see it. Pull that video up.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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The photo, rather, up of this guy's bear. So I'm pretty sure that was archery as well. They banned bear hunting in New Jersey when the new governor came into place. That lasted for about a year. And then the human interactions with bears were so frequent that they restarted the bear hunting program. It's an important tool. Look at the size of the bear. Look at the fucking size. 770 dressed. Wow.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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That's 770 after they gutted it. And they added another 800 pounds for its intestines and organs. Another 100 pounds, rather. So it's field dressed, the bear, before it was officially weighed in at 770. So it's probably quite a bit heavier than that. Pretty nuts.

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Crazy.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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So if you see there's other pictures of it where you really get a better size of it, see if you can find some other pictures of it. That is huge. Yeah, some other pictures have it laid out, and you can see what it looks like. It's a fucking giant bear. But it's because they have so much food there. And a lot of these bears exist. Look at the size of that thing.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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A lot of these bears exist around humans. And you've gone after a black bear? Not that big. The black bears that I've shot are like 200 pounds, 250 pounds. Babies. Well, they didn't look like babies. Yeah, I know. But, yeah, you eat them, man. And it's also an important part of conservation because if you don't control their populations, no one does. This is the thing about bears.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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They are the top of the food chain. So if you're not controlling them, no one does. And so what they do is they eat each other. That's the only control of bears is the infanticide of the cubs by the males. Wow. And the females, too, by the way. You want to hear a crazy thing? My friend Jonathan, he watched this bear and this female bear. So the male bear came around.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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The female bear is trying to fight him off, and she eventually can't. And the male bear gets a hold of one of her cubs and kills it. And she chases him off of her dead cub. Then she eats her cub. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. That's the real world. Whoa. That's the real world. She ate her cub right in front of him. And he came back to camp, and he was like, fuck.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Which state was it where they had open season? Open season means- Where you didn't need a permit? Right. They had to call the- There's no way. They would never do that with elk. Elk is a very valuable... No, no, no, no. They'd never do that with moose either. They would never do that with... They do it in some communities with white-tailed deer.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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And the reason why they do it is because they're completely overpopulated. And oddly enough, this happens a lot in the suburbs. Like there's places in the suburbs, yeah, where there's like people who bow hunt in the suburbs. Because like, look, if you're bow hunting, your arrow doesn't go more than 100 yards, right?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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It's not like you have to worry about you shoot and someone a mile away gets hit by a bullet if you miss. Your arrow drops. It arcs, right? Archery, it arcs. Sure. So it drops down to the ground. It only goes so far. And so it's safer if you have competent hunters who are skilled to hunt in the suburbs. And, you know, most of these suburbs have wooded areas and they're infested with deer.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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So I think it was Pennsylvania. The states that were bringing in bow hunters. In New York, and in all their wisdom, these fucking dorks, in the area around the Hamptons, they have this issue. But the people are so fucking retarded. Long Island. Yeah. Well, it's the Hamptons because they're rich.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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It's like if you had regular Long Island, regular Long Island would probably say, yeah, we should hunt them because they're food. I'm from Queens. Yeah, there you go. So they decided they were going to just try to sterilize the deer and give them birth control. They came up with all these wacky concepts, but they didn't want to bring in bow hunters.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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There's never been an overpopulation? No, no, no, no, no. There's been times where they had seasons in winter for elk in Montana. And the reason it was a complete depopulation effort. So they had had this before the reintroduction of wolves, though. So the reintroduction of wolves, which is in the 1990s, has significantly impacted the elk population.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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And now it's actually more difficult to get a tag. But back then they would have certain seasons that would have in the winter. So you'd be able to get these elk that were out there in the snow moving very slowly in the deep snow. And you just kind of pick them off. And it was basically just a meat hunt. And it was a lot. They killed a lot of cows that way, cow elk.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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And it was just a way for people to get meat. And also they were trying to put a dent on the population because it wasn't sustainable. So they would have an elk herd of thousands of elk where it really should have been like 800 elk with the sustainability of the area. And the bear couldn't keep up. They couldn't eat enough of them. The mountain lions couldn't eat enough of them.

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And then they brought in the wolves. And the wolves were way better than everybody else because they hunt together. And they started really chipping away at them. And now they've knocked the elk population down. I think it's in the neighborhood. They dropped it by 40% plus since the 1990s.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Well, if you don't have a balanced ecosystem, if you don't have enough predators, and you have a large animal like an elk, like a bull elk is an 800-pound animal, and a mature cow elk is north of 300 pounds, 400 pounds, this is a lot of food. And they can decimate vegetation. There is a documentary that's kind of like poo-pooed by people, but interesting nonetheless.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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It's how wolves changed rivers, and it's all about how the Yellowstone ecosystem changed because of their introduction of wolves, and more songbirds came in because there was more vegetation, because the introduction of wolves, they killed off a lot of the elk. The elk had been just like maybe overbalanced in the fact that, like overrepresented, they were eating too much vegetation.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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So it's all interesting, but what you really want is things to happen naturally, and then when there's a problem, You know, really the best way to handle the problem if there's like an overabundance of these animals is to bring in hunters. The other solution would be to bring in predators.

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The problem with bringing in predators is if you have a predator like wolves that has been forever maligned because they go after livestock and they do target ranchers. There was an article I read today actually about these ranchers that were kind of optimistic about wolves being introduced into Colorado and now they vehemently oppose it. Right.

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So these wolves were already accustomed to preying on livestock, and those are the wolves they reintroduced into Colorado. They reintroduced wolves that had already been naturalized to killing livestock. And so what did they start doing? They started finding livestock and killing them again.

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But that's the thing.

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It's like you're fucking around with nature and you don't know how this calculation is going to end. A good example is Australia.

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Australia is a fucking mess because they kept bringing in animals and then they'd bring in animals to kill the animals and then they'd have an overpopulation of certain animals so they'd bring in cats and now they have an overpopulation of feral cats to the point where they hunt feral cats. Like if you look at an Australian bow hunting journal... You know, they have bow hunting magazines.

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My buddy Adam Greentree... Shout out to Adam Greentree. My buddy Adam gave me a magazine from Australia, bow hunting. I'm like, bro, what the fuck is this? It's all cats. These guys are holding up house cats because they kill feral cats whenever they can. Because feral cats have decimated ground nesting birds and they've destroyed a shit ton of native animals that were in that area.

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They brought them in to kill some other animal they brought in. It's like... You can't fuck around with nature like that. You don't know what the consequences are. And when you do ballot box biology, which is essentially what this stuff is. So the reintroduction of wolves is something people voted on. The people that voted on it are living in fucking Denver. They don't encounter wolves.

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They don't know what they're doing. It's like the same thing happened in Vancouver. So in British Columbia, they outlawed grizzly bear hunting. Why did they do that? Because, man, why would you kill it? They called it trophy hunting. But it's important to manage the predators. And the people that knew this were the people that lived in the rural areas that were vehemently opposed to this ban.

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And then what happens? Well, you get ballot box biology. You get people that have no experience with bears, don't encounter bears, don't have to worry about bears. And they say, yeah, let's not ban them anymore. Now you've got bears breaking into people's houses, and there's much more of them than ever before. And people are freaked out. You can't do anything about it.

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Yeah, you should.

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Yeah. Where do you put the meat? Put it at your asshole neighbor's house. You have some guy that's annoying? Go use his garbage in the middle of the night.

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Yeah, you should dress up, though. Dress up like a Ku Klux Klan member or something like that so they don't know what you look like.

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Oh, there you go. You remember that one? No, what was that? You didn't see that? Oh, that's right. A guy was wearing a bear suit and did insurance fraud.

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What a silly bitch.

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Yeah, they're a wild animal. Not wild, just wild, but fascinating. I love them.

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You know what the scariest bear to run across is? Take a guess. Polar bear. Oh, white bear, yeah. You know why? No. Because they don't eat anything but meat. At least grizzly bears. If you find a grizzly bear that's in a blueberry field, you probably don't even have to worry about them.

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They eat blueberries?

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Oh, yeah. They'd be gorging on blueberries. But black bears and grizzly bears are omnivorous. So they eat vegetation and they also eat meat. Meat. Polar bears are just carnivores. Wow. And they're hyper aggressive. Wow. They just eat seals and occasionally people. But they hunt people. No way. Oh, yeah. They'll go after you. They smell you from a distance. They'll hunt you.

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Bad body odor or something? Just you smell. Everybody smells. You'd be amazed at how much a bear can smell. There was a video where my friend was in – I forget what part. I think they were in Montana, maybe Idaho. And a bear was 700 yards away plus. And the wind hit the back of his neck and the bear started running. And he's like, did that fucking bear wind us?

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Like the bear caught their smell from 700 yards away. And went after them. No, the other way. It ran away. Black bears run away. Smart. Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, in any area where the bears get hunted, they run away.

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You know, like in Alaska, if they smell you, generally they run away because people hunt bears in Alaska. They don't have any experience with getting hunted. Black bears do, but grizzly bears don't in the lower 48. In the lower 48, it's not legal to hunt them yet. But they're trying to change that. Grizzlies. Grizzlies. Okay. Yeah.

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Well, tell me. What's going on?

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It's important to know. Yeah. It's a wild world out there. Absolutely. It's a wild world. And, you know, you live in the city and you think it's cute. Let's go for a hike. Yeah. All of a sudden you meet a fucking mountain lion.

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You'd have a lot more deer if it wasn't for the mountain lions. And that's what the wildlife lovers want. They want nature to balance itself out. The problem is they eat your cats and dogs too, a lot of them. In San Francisco, it was like 50% of the problem cats that they caught, they found that their diet was pets. Yeah. 50% of their diet was pets.

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Yeah.

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Owls get them too.

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Oh, yeah. They swoop in and pick them up and take them away. A buddy of mine has a friend who works in tree service, and they found a nest, an owl nest, and it was filled with cat collars. They had like 10 cat collars in there. Yeah.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, a lot of owls up there. A lot of owls. Do you know owls are stupid? No. Yeah, they're dumb. You know that whole thing of wise old owl? They're one of the dumbest birds. They don't learn things. They're stupid. I talked to a lady who's a falconer, and she trains birds. And she has an owl, and she's like, it's the dumbest bird I have. She's like this idea that owls are wise.

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She's like, they're the second dumbest bird. Who's number one? I forget. Ostrich? See if you can find it. It's in the ostrich family. It's another animal that's in the ostrich family. Ostriches might be dumber than owls. They're really dumb. Always got their head in the sand. Well, they're also big. Yeah. They're big. They don't fuck with you.

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It's Castaway, I think that's what it's called. Is it Castaway? That's the one that's dangerous. They kill people. You ever seen that fucking weird bird? No, I haven't seen it. Am I saying it right? I can't. Cassowary, that's right. Cassowary. Yeah, they're freaky looking, man. They're freaky looking. Yeah, they're a big ass bird too, but they kill people.

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The people have died by being attacked by these birds. And what, pecks them on their face? I think they claw them. I think they attack you with their claw. It might be their face too. Their face looks like a fucking hatchet.

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Beautiful. God, look at his eyes. Wow. I'm looking at you. Yeah.

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I don't know where that one is. A massive flightless emu-like creature. That's the word, emu. As the most dangerous bird in the world, owing to the fact that it can seriously injure or kill a human or a dog in an instant with its deadly claws. Yeah, it's the claws.

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They just rip you apart. So they go for your guts. You know, that's the same. Yeah. Yeah. Look at their tips. Oh, my God. They got fucking talons for claws. Jeez.

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Five-inch.

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They can eviscerate a human being with a single kick. Although there's no record of this happening. It wasn't because the people are dead. They can run 13 miles an hour.

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That's horseshit.

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Lies.

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Two ladies. Two different falconers.

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Two different people. In the last year, I've hung out with two different falconers and their animals, believe it or not. One of them had an eagle. She had a female bald eagle. It was amazing. Dude, I caught it on my arm. You know, you put the glove on. You have to put a different glove for the eagle than the other animals because its talons are so powerful.

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But having that thing land on your arm is crazy.

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Oh, yeah. They're cool. Have you ever seen that fucking thing? A shoebill?

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They make a sound that sounds like gunshots. Like... They slap their jaws together and they stand like that. That's what it looks like. See how the thing's standing up? That thing's like five feet tall. Imagine a five foot tall bird with those evil eyes and that giant face. Look at his fucking mouth. Look at that beak. Get a video of... That's the dumbest bird?

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The dodo was a really dumb bird, too, right? Yeah, dodo. But can you do... Google shoe bill makes noise. Shoe bill noise. Yeah. It's really cool. It sounds like a machine gun.

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How crazy is that? That is AR-15. Now imagine that getting a hold of your face. Imagine that fucking massive beak. Or any appendage lower down. It's a big animal too, man. They're big. What's the height of it? I think they're like five feet tall. Five.

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Fuck.

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Isn't that nuts? Wow. And they look like they're from a different time. They look like you went back at 3.5 to five feet tall. They look like they're from dinosaur times. It doesn't even make sense. Look at that thing. You ever heard of a terror bird?

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Terror birds used to exist like more than a million years ago, right?

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I know, but you're a human. I work in meat fighting. Oh, yeah. I work in people beating the shit out of each other.

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I've got some. Yeah. First time I had it was- You don't have to complain. Well, no, I'm not complaining.

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That's betterhelp.com. But that's one.

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Jamie, Google terror bird. Yeah, that image with a human being. Where is it? Right there. So that is what they used to look like. Imagine that. Whoa. A nine foot to 10 foot tall giant flightless bird. And they called them terror birds. Yeah.

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Terror. Like you'd be terrified if you saw that fucking giant bird. Look at that thing.

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Yeah. It was huge.

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Oh, jeez. When did they die off? Look at it. It looked like, ooh. Isn't that crazy? Imagine seeing that 10 feet tall. Wow. Holy shit.

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Look at the size of it. That's what they used to look like.

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Well, that's a recreation, obviously.

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Fossil remnants, yeah. What year did they go extinct? 55 billion years ago. I think it was a couple million.

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It says right there, when did the terror bird go extinct? Cenozoic era? When's that?

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Okay. Was it January? Oh, a lot more, a lot longer ago. The current geological age of Earth. Oh, it's the current geological age beginning 66 million years ago and continuing to the present. So when did the terror birds go extinct? Does it say? When did they go extinct?

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I think it says... Hold on.

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P-H-O... Ferociousitis? Ferociousitis? How would you say it? You're a doctor.

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Oh, it's only thousands of years ago?

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Holy shit. One of them survived up until 6,000 years ago? Between 96,000 and 6,000. I thought it was millions.

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Oh, we're so lucky.

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Neanderthal male. Man, ate it up, right? No, I don't think Neanderthals were here. They were European. I think there's probably a bunch of assholes who want to bring those back, too. You know? They want to bring back the mammoth. That's probably next. Oh, they've been working on that, right? Yeah. They'll probably just call it a different name. They won't call it a terror bird.

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They'll call it something cute. You know, the conservation bird. Big bird.

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Big bird. Yeah, we're going to bring back big bird. Just make him yellow so people love him.

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Natural world. So speaking of which, since we're talking about ridiculous shit and you are a doctor, I wanted to bring this up to you because Jamie and I were exchanging text messages yesterday about these mummies that they found in Peru that have three fingers. The aliens. Yeah. Well, they don't know what they are, but they have three fingers.

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And not three fingers because they cut the fingers off. They actually, their structure genetically has three fingers. And their cranial capacity, they have a large head, which a lot of times they think was due to, you know, they would form their head and like press boards to make their head stretch out, which they definitely did in some tribes. But the question is, why were they doing that?

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And were they doing it to replicate something else?

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So the thing about these is that they had a cranial capacity that is larger than most human beings. That's alien. It looks like a fucking alien. That's correct. But is that real? Here's the question. Okay, three-fingered alien mummies. Click on that article and see where they get this information. I know it was in New York Post.

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Or antivirus, essentially, right?

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So three-fingered alien mummies found in Peru have fingerprints that do not appear to be human. So the fingerprints that it has, instead of spirals, I think they're lines. And Google... I'm not sure of it. But scroll back, scroll back, go back to where you were. Look at that image. That's x-ray image of their fingers. So these are like real bones and digits.

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So this isn't just a statue that someone made. Right. This has real bone structure that is exact to like what a human being has and all those little tiny muscles in the mid hand, right? Yeah. I mean, that all looks normal but weird with the three fingers and three toes. And so if you scroll down, you'll see more images. So this is what it looked like when they found it. So the body is covered.

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Go back so I can read that, please. It says the body is covered with diatomaceous earth, a type of white powder made from the sediment of fossilized algae found in the bodies of water. The only possible explanation for the unusually straight fingerprints could possibly have something to do with the way her skin was preserved, he said, noting that it's very odd. So the U.S.

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medical examiners traveled to Peru last April to study the bodies with the lack of human fingerprints is puzzling. He said it would be extremely premature to make any statements about the mummy's origins. So they know for a fact that these things are biological and they're not created. Have they done any sort of DNA? Look at the picture of what it actually looks like. That's fucking crazy.

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That does look like an alien. I mean, that's exactly what people expect to see at their bed in the middle of the night. Yeah. You said it looks like an alien. Yeah. It is an alien. If it's real. Yeah. It's so hard. And no disrespect to the post. But, you know, people, bullshit. Not those. Those, I think, have proven to be horseshit.

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So what I was just getting at is it's beneficial for people all year round, not just people that think they might be getting COVID.

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But if you scroll up, scroll back to where you were, back to where you were, that thing. Okay. I want to know what that is. What is that? Because it's got three fingers and three toes, and it's got an alien face. It looks like a gray. It has a tiny slot for a mouth and tiny dots for a nose. It looks like the archetypal alien that people see in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

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And what was that other movie? The Whitley Stryber movie, Communion. I didn't see that one. That's a weird one because Whitley Stryber is also a fiction writer. And he wrote this book about his own personal experiences with aliens, which I want to believe him.

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Even with the shape of the eye, like the eyes are kind of slanted, like not like a human's. Like they're at angles, just like they always show them with these kind of...

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We have to have an image of one of them around here somewhere, don't we? Yeah, you probably have. Aliens all over this fucking place. But that classic look is exactly what those mummies look like. So they have straight fingers. Go back. What did you just wear? Three figures. Jesus Christ, all these pop-ups. Isn't that crazy?

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It says the humanoid three-fingered alien mummies have straight fingerprints that do not match those of humans, according to an attorney who reviewed one of the controversial specimens. Oh, an attorney said that. You believe him? I don't know.

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So Joshua McDowell, a former Colorado prosecutor and current defense attorney, examined one of the tiny strange bodies named Maria with three independent forensic medical examiners from the United States. Scroll. It said he and the experts were shocked to discover that the fingerprints on the ET-like corpses were in perfectly straight lines.

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They were not traditional human fingerprint patterns, he told the Daily Mail. But did they do an analysis of the tissue? Like did they find out that it's actually biological tissue? Can you scroll down further?

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So I'm a forensic prosecutor. I'm a criminal defense attorney. I've seen lots of fingerprints, and these were not classic fingerprints. Look how weird it is. Look at that image. That's so crazy looking. And also, how did I just find out about this yesterday? I know, but I never saw it look like this. What I saw were those other ones that I think have been proven.

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I might be wrong, but I think at least allegedly had been proven to not be real. And that the person who was exposing those, those little tiny ones that were like laying down straight, that guy had a history of doing some deceptive stuff.

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I don't disbelieve.

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I wouldn't even say I'm ambivalent. I am open-minded. Okay. But – You won't say yes. Yeah, I'm logical. I think there's a lot of deception going on.

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I think there's also the possibility that what we're dealing with is not as simple as we like to think. Yeah, these things. So these things I've heard are bullshit. Might be wrong. I'm trying to find out. Might that be misinformation? That journalist that unveiled the bodies and the guy who exposed the bodies, the guy who exposed the bodies I think was the one, the guy who came up with it.

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Yeah, that was the thing about that alien looking one with the three fingers that was even more interesting to me. Because that's that area where there's these incredible patterns that are made on the ground that you can only see from space. Or not space, the air. Right. You can only see looking down on them. So it's like, why would anybody even make those things?

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And some of them look like, the images look like animals and stuff.

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Yeah, weird stuff. And some of them look like maybe even a person. Where'd it go? Mexican doctors have examined the two bodies that featured elongated heads and three fingers on each hand. Same thing, three fingers. They found no evidence of any assembly or manipulation of the skulls, but other scientists have panned the discovery as an elaborate stunt.

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Mao San, 70, who touted the purported extraterrestrial is the most important thing that has happened to humanity, has denied any wrongdoing. Scroll down. Look at that. How fucking weird.

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According to the UFO aficionado, by the way, as you say, according to UFO aficionado, I already started looking at you side-eyed. You believe that? Yeah. The analysis showed that the humanoids are not related to any known earthly species and that one-third of their DNA is unknown. There you go. Well, take it and map it. Let's make a new one. Yeah, let's look at the DNA relative to ours.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Get those mastodon guys and introduce some simian biology into them and turn it into a new kind of alien. Yeah, just do a 23andMe. It says the specimens are not a part of our evolutionary history of Earth. The university has since distanced itself from Maosan, claiming its scientists took no part in the research and never came in contact with the full corpses.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6162.204

In no case do we make conclusions about the origin of these samples, the university's national laboratory of mass spectrometry with accelerators said in a statement. Okay. The presence of carbon-14 allegedly detected in the specimens proved the samples were related to brain and skin tissues from different mummies who died at different times. What does that mean? From one individual?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6185.433

Is that saying from one individual? The presence of carbon-14 allegedly detected in the specimens proved that the samples were related to brain and skin tissue from different mummies who died at different times. So they're all different. They come from different times, and they're all different little mummies. So that's what they're saying.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6204.924

So what they're saying is that the carbon isotope dating is showing that. That's what it is, right? Is that what they're saying? Okay.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6222.775

Hold on. This is our buddy Ryan. U.S. Navy pilot Ryan Graves, who attended the hearing to share his personal experience with alleged UFO sightings, later slammed Mao San's presentation as a stunt. He said yesterday's demonstration was a huge step backwards for this issue. Graves wrote on X, formerly Twitter, I am deeply disappointed by this unsubstantiated stunt.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6242.884

Well, he's a very legitimate guy, Ryan Graves is, and very intelligent. And if he's saying it's a stunt, now I'm super skeptical. Okay. He has a history of making controversial claims about other alien remains that have been widely discredited. Okay.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6259.989

In 2017, he participated in a TV documentary about other specimens recovered near Peru's Nazca Lines, which experts have said to have been concocted out of modified mummies.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6271.814

Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6272.674

So I wonder if they're talking about that other thing when they're saying that.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6279.416

The one we're looking at. When did they find that one?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6292.859

Yeah, that looks super different. That one looks more like the way something you'd find dead. Even the way its legs are rotted away, it doesn't look fake.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6315.198

Where did they find this one though? This is the one I'm interested in.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6318.579

But the fact that they did an x-ray and they show the actual fingers and toes, it looks just like real fingers and real toes with actual bones. That's crazy.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6333.746

Right, but it's consistent with a human hand that would have three fingers, right? It doesn't have, there's not missing digits.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6341.832

It could be. Well, there's a group of people in Africa that have like bird feet. Have you ever seen them? No. They have toes. It's like a genetic mutation that exists and it's thought to be like a prized thing. And these people have like two toes and their feet branch off like this. And there's a bunch of people in this village that have these feet that are like this.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6362.208

I forget what they call them, like bird feet, or I forget how they describe them. Yeah, these are the folks. So see that?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6368.632

So now if you found these guys, and there's not just one of them, substantial minority of Vedoma have a condition known as ectodactyly, which means the middle three toes are absent and the two outer ones are turned in, resulting in the tribe being known as the two-toed or ostrich-footed tribe. So go to images and see what that looks like.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6392.789

really wild because there's like a bunch of them hanging out together. Like, look at their feet. So now if you found a body that had those, you would say, oh, those are aliens.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6407.463

Yeah, definitely.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6409.565

Well, it certainly looks like what I would think a gray would be. Correct. And the fact that it doesn't have a thumb is odd, too. That is also one of the things that people have said about these things. There's also – they always have said that they have very long fingers. And you look at his fingers in relationship to the size of the body. They're very long, long fingers and very long toes. Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6454.977

How do you account for that? I think the helicopter one, I think, is a fraud. You think it's all fraud? I think that one is. But why is it duplicated? I think that's Photoshopped. I think it is. You think? Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's been shown. But the planes that they found that are like wooden carved planes, like they look like airplanes that they found in tombs. That's fascinating.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6477.496

They have a rudder. They have a tail. They have wings. And it looks like a plane. Yeah. So how do you that is crazy.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6485.819

Well, I don't know what we're looking at. And I think there's more to reality than we see. I have a feeling that our senses are extremely limited and that there's other dimensions that we don't have access to that might have access to us. I don't necessarily discredit the idea of something traveling from another planet. I think we might be dealing with that too.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6512.962

I think we might be dealing with a bunch of different civilizations and entities that are at very different stages of evolution. So if life exists all throughout the galaxy, we know a bunch of things, right? We know that planets... have certain ages.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6530.545

We know that some planets are very old and some planets are much younger and we know that some planets are much closer to the sun and some planets live in a very hospitable environment. We know that some planets like ours are essentially in a shooting gallery because there's 900,000 near earth objects or more that are flying around slamming into things.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6550.751

And if it wasn't for Jupiter, we'd be fucked. If it wasn't for Jupiter's enormous gravity and mass pulling everything into it, that's like basically our catcher. It catches all the shit that flies into our solar system and slams into Jupiter. And, of course, the moon itself is pockmarked with... So imagine a planet that doesn't have that issue.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6570.69

Imagine a planet that has a different environment where there's not a bunch of shit flying around. And they think that flying around stuff is largely a part of collisions, like planets colliding with each other in the distant past. And that's actually how Earth got formed. You got a bathroom? Yeah, go, go. Go, go, go. Thanks.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6589.761

Yes, I'm excited. Investigating. Why would there be... Go pee. Go pee. Come on, buddy.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6597.842

To the left. Yeah. This dude's already lit. He's had three giant glasses of whiskey. And he's 78 years old?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6607.547

God, I hope my brain works that good when I'm 78. You know what I'm saying? Like, that dude just, he doesn't even have any notes. He's just pulling all this information out of the ether. So the guy who took him, you mean to wait? Which, the egg?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6628.453

Whoa.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6632.982

Oh.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6640.434

Let's ask this. What would you do if somebody got you one of them mummies? If somebody said, hey, Jamie, give me that money that you won from Shane. Ooh, look at that. Whoa. The same thing, though. Three toes.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6652.743

Look how long the fucking toes are.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6657.767

Oh.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6673.397

Oh, yeah, super hard. Cut the fucking shit. They're already pissed about them disappearing. Let me call Elon. He'll shoot a rocket over there. Pick those things up quick. Let me see the skull again. Have they done an x-ray of the skull? Why would they do that?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6686.505

Of the skull? Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh. Holy shit, dude. It looks like a skull. Like one of the smaller ones, though. Yeah, but whatever.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6694.551

I think this could be eggs. What?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6698.735

What is that? Like the ribs look like. Imagine if you found out those are like anal toys and they're just freaks. I do believe one of these they were saying was made up of different animal parts and stuff. Come sit down and put a microphone on. So we're looking at x-rays of one of them is bullshit. Look at the fucking x-rays of the skulls, man. Like you're a doctor. Look at that.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6719.877

That looks like real shit.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6722.698

Yeah. It looks like real bones. Well, yeah. Completely different. Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6745.137

Maybe it had surgery. Implant. Jesus. Yeah, maybe that's its neural link. Where is this from?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6755.886

Look at that one. Look at that. Show that to Dr. Gordon. Look at the same thing. Different finger, the long fingers, long toes. Same thing. Yeah. And real similar in the way they look.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6780.173

You just went to the bathroom, Jamie. I didn't disappear. I just had a pee. Come on. It's like he left you. Yeah. Look at that x-ray of the skulls, the skeletons, though, rather. Those look real.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6804.097

Mm-hmm. Well, it says, the videographer behind the new footage is unknown in no small measure due to the thorny legal and ethical dimensions of handling these allegedly historical and culturally priceless ancient remains. That makes sense. I don't know exactly who shot the video, but there are context clues in the longer version.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6822.857

One source who had also been granted the tape told DailyMail.com, they call them haqueros. who has long been involved in the promotion of these Nazca mummies, was convicted of assault on public monuments for taking artifacts in 2022. So if you take these artifacts, they go after you.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6843.207

The man received a four-year suspended sentence, was fined about 20,000 Peruvian sols, just $5,190 US dollars, according to Reuters. A clear example of the high-risk extra legal measures some have taken to seek either truth or profit from these aliens. That makes sense. So it's dangerous to pull them out. You can get in trouble.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6869.47

He's taken the Peruvian government to court, hoping to negotiate with Peru, as he put it, to be allowed to export the samples to be done in America. The lawsuit is already in for $300 million. Wow. Explained he's pursuing monetary damages to repair his enterprise's damaged reputation, but intends to spend the cash on a museum for the mummies and hookers and a Ferrari. I want a Ferrari.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6891.815

Dr. McDowell.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6895.199

himself has also recently pled with Peru's government in an open letter published in one of the country's top newspapers asking for official permission to study these specimens at top flight scientific facilities in the U.S. Well, I like that. I like that at least he's trying to get them, if it's true, that he's trying to get them studied.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

691.643

Wow. Okay. A sidetrack. When you're talking about beta amyloid and Alzheimer's, wasn't there a significant amount of fraud that was exposed about Alzheimer's studies that put into question a lot of the – Ideas that people had about Alzheimer's wasn't that something happened recently?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6913.3

But you imagine if you were one doctor who did find these things, you would receive a tremendous amount of skepticism and assholes like me, like making fun of them. West Hollywood. Yeah. Interesting stuff, man. So when you look at that as a doctor, does that look like horseshit to you or does it look real?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6939.723

And Machu Picchu. And Machu Picchu. Which is a really amazing place that they, to this day, don't really understand how they built it.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6969.198

Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6989.025

It also makes sense that if you're going to hoax things, that's where you would hoax them. Correct.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

6996.207

Well, I'm just being rational. I'm not being skeptical. I'm honestly not skeptical. I'm kind of open-minded about this stuff. So you don't believe that it's real? I don't know if it's real. Oh, yeah. I like to think it's real, but that's the problem is that I really want to think it's real. So what do you do? You say it's not real, but it looks real. I don't say nothing. Okay. I just talk shit.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7010.852

Yeah. That's what got you here. That's what we're doing. We're just talking shit. I don't know. I'm not an expert in biology. I mean, the skeleton looks real to me, but what do I know? If I was going to make a fake skeleton, could I do that with a bunch of discarded bones?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7025.283

Maybe.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7026.084

What I'm skeptical about is the way the joints, they extend.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7029.707

On the fingers.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7030.408

Well, not just the fingers. Yeah, but they look like ours, right? Like the same way. If you go back to that skeleton again, please. Correct. If you look at it in the x-ray, what you see is The bones, they're formed, they're very similar to the way ours are formed. Correct. Where at the end of it, not the one of the actual skeleton, Jamie? Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7049.399

So look at how the bones are at the top and where the joint is. That looks like how our bones are. The hinge in the joint of the elbow looks exactly like how a human's is, except it's one bone instead of two, which is, let's be honest, probably a better design. Yeah. You know, the two bones. I broke that little one before. You ever broke the little one?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7069.205

Yeah, I broke the fibula too. Whoa. Yeah, the small one. Yeah, the small one on the leg.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7076.527

No, kickboxing. Kickboxing. Not even checking a kick. We were kicking at the same time and a heel hit my shin.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7087.83

It definitely looks suggestive of something that might be real and very unique, right? Very different than our anatomy. Right.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7096.732

Well, I don't think that. What do you think? I don't know. Yeah. I think the possibility that something could be so advanced that all of our ideas of how it got here and how long it's been here are just silly. I think we might be just like these people in the Amazon that my friend Paul Rosalie is running into. They don't know that he goes on the Joe Rogan Experience and reaches 15 million people.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7119.62

They don't have any idea. They have no idea. So what do they see? They see some guy with clothes on. Like, what is this asshole doing? And, you know, he's out there in the Amazon. And, you know, and then he takes a picture. And this is their experience with him. is probably kind of similar to our experience, but except, like, much more exaggerated with aliens.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7140.227

Like, if you came into contact with something that's a million years more advanced than us, like, what would that contact be like? I mean, are we so limited in our understanding of... how you move through the universe that we assume that everything has to use rockets and everything has to burn fuel and shoot things and to defy gravity by, you know, by pushing against it. Maybe not.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7165.383

Maybe there's much more advanced propulsion systems that exist.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7168.946

Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7169.727

These are the hands. Yeah. They're dissecting it. Whoa. What the fuck, man? Whoa. Yeah, the dissection. That looks like weird bones in a hand. That's creepy. That's so crazy. Look at their skin. I mean, obviously mummified, but how fucking weird. How weird. Look at the bones underneath it. That's crazy. That is so crazy. And you're going to tell me someone put this together as a joke.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7203.952

Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm looking at this. I don't know. I don't know who's a part of this. But when he peels that back and you see those bones again, that is fucking nuts. Yeah. That's so wild. Yeah. But also, why are those bones so clear for a mummified thing? Those bones look, in my mind, they don't look mummified. They look more recent. But what do I know? It almost looks wet.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7228.664

Go back to that image?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7232.266

Right. So is that because they put something on it? Or is that what happens when you cut that thing open?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7247.817

Maybe they're trying to clean off the bones and they did something to it to brush it and put water on it there. Whatever that is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7268.163

Right, right. Like if it's a million years old. If it's a million years old. But if it's only 500 years old, then things get real weird. It's a totally different story.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7276.053

Yeah. It's weird as shit. Yeah. But the thing is, like, there's so many people that essentially make a living off of lying. They make a living off of bullshitting. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of that going on.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7305.729

Depends on which religion you're talking about, right? I think the Vatican has been pretty open to the idea that we're not alone and that God could possibly have created other life forms. See, that's true. I'm pretty sure that's true. I think the Vatican gave a statement within the last decade or so about this. Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7324.938

Yeah, they probably have it. They know a lot of ancient books.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7338.111

Vatican astronomer says if aliens exist, they may not need redemption.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7348.737

They may be a different life form that does not need Christ's redemption, the Vatican chief astronomer said. That makes sense. I mean, if they came from somewhere else. Difficult to exclude the possibility that other intelligent life exists in the universe. He noted that one field of astronomy is now actively seeking biomarkers and spectrum analysis of other stars and planets. That's true.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7368.221

They definitely have done that. That makes sense. That's an open-minded religious person. It's not in contrast with faith because we cannot place limits on the creative freedom of God. That makes sense. Yeah, if you're going to be logical and be a believer in God, that's the way to do it, right?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7397.442

To say, look, if God exists, we just might be too limited in our understanding of the world to think that we think that God just made us and this is it. But it might be God has made life all throughout the universe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7421.263

The universe is God, which makes sense because the universe is a creative force. It makes things constantly. It's constantly making stars. There's stellar nurseries and planets.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7434.031

I think Bigfoot is mostly nonsense that is sort of a historical memory. I think for sure we know that Gigantopithecus was a real animal that coexisted with human beings. And we know that it was the what's the date of Gigantopithecus? It's somewhere. It's more than hundreds of thousands of years. Right.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7456.004

But it just makes sense that if human beings have been around for that long and that thing's been around for that long and then Gigantopithecus. 200,000 years ago. 2 million to approximately 300,000 to 200,000 years ago. So as recently as possibly 200,000 years ago, but that's essentially based on what they found. Now they're constantly finding new things, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7476.666

So like they didn't even know Denisovans were a thing, which is a new type of human.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7483.855

No, they're not gigantic. They're just a different – like there was Neanderthal, Homo sapiens. Denisovan was another branch of the human tree. And they didn't discover them – I want to say 2010. When did they discover Denisovans? I think they discovered them in Russia, and they found them in China, and so they know that there's that.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7505.14

And then there was another species that they found recently that's even more recent that's large-headed people. They had larger heads than us that existed with us. They had, like, big fucking eyebrows and big heads.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7530.844

What's that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7534.989

When was Dennis Olven's? When did they discover that?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7546.222

When did they discover Denisovan fossils?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7554.309

Yeah. Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7568.221

Yeah, I've heard that before. I've never seen any of it. I wouldn't dismiss it. You know, there's giants in the Bible. There's giants in historical record.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7575.347

Goliath.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7575.847

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's completely possible that if you have pygmies and you have, you know about the hobbit people on the island of Flores? No. You didn't know about that? No. But they're hobbit. Yeah, I think they call them homo floressis. And what these are is these little tiny ape-like humanoids that lived alongside people. I think they've dated them to 100,000 years ago. Might be earlier.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7605.403

At one point in time, I think they thought it was 10,000 years ago, but I think they pushed it back. But these were like another branch of the human tree, and they were really tiny. And they used tools, and they hunted, and they think that they were probably wiped out, at least partially. Nice tits. Homo floresiensis.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7627.312

And that's what they looked like. And they lived alongside us. So they think that might be a case of island dwarfism as well. You know, like there's a thing that happens to mammals when they're on islands where they get smaller. And weirdly enough, reptiles get larger. That's why you have Komodo dragons. Love them. Pretty cool, right? So there's Homo sapien and there's Homo florescens.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7652.701

Monster lizards. There's a bunch of different types of humans that existed, and we were the most clever and the most vicious. We went, ha-ha. The Bible of the fittest. Yeah, and the smartest. We're the smartest. We're the ones that are the most clever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7670.595

But the thing is these ones that they found recently, see if you can find that article, the large-headed people that they found recently, another totally new branch. They're large-headed, but the same height as ours. Yeah, same height as ours, but larger heads, probably much stronger. They're like Neanderthals, far stronger than us.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7688.47

yeah dubbed large-headed people enigmatic group once lived alongside homo sapiens in eastern asia um according to science alert fossilized remains unearthed from sediment layers dated about 200 over 200 000 years ago revealed individuals with disproportionately large cranial volumes so see click on that look where they have images 2024 just Yeah, real recent.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7711.35

Real recent they found this, or they've come out with this. I think they had images of what they look like, what they think they look like. Someone did a detailed, oh, large-headed people. You get regular folks. What? Here's regular folks with, unfortunately, big heads. I got hit. Yeah, homo juliesis. Yeah. Yeah. So this is another branch. Look at the size of that fucker. Jacked.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7743.003

Yeah. Wild. Big heads. Larger heads and bigger brains. There you go. Bigger brains than us. Lived 200,000 years ago. It's funny because we have them with a stupid stone tool. Maybe they were smart. Maybe we just fucking wiped them out. Look at the size of their heads, though. Jesus Christ. Crazy. Look at that one there. He's got a six-pack. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7764.233

Look at the one down where he's walking like Bigfoot. Click on that. Yeah. The guy's jacked. Huge. Imagine running to that. Biceps and deltoids. Look at his fucking head.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7773.633

Yeah. Imagine running to that dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7778.517

That's probably why.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7792.169

Bro, could you imagine walking through the jungle and running into these dudes, like a bunch of them?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7802.214

Look at it, imagine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7806.798

Well, just in our own history, right? The history of Earth, the different forms of life that don't exist anymore. And there's so much variety that it really does make you wonder, what are we seeing? We're seeing these alien bones that they're X-raying. What are we seeing when people report that they're experiencing contact with these entities? Are they from another dimension?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7828.856

Are they from another planet? Is everybody crazy? Is everybody just making things up? I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7839.122

Yeah, it's very compelling. I've been taken. It's very compelling, but here's the question. Were they physically taken? Here's the question. The realm of dreams is a gigantic mystery, and the realm of dreams is hyper-realistic sometimes. I had a hyper-realistic dream last night. I wish I could remember what it was, but it's one of those things. It was crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7858.331

Um, but I, I got up in the middle of the night, woke me up and then I got up to pee and I was like, what the fuck is wrong with me? And then I went back to sleep. But while I was experiencing that dream, I remember being aware that it was a dream eventually, but while it was all going down, I was like, this is a crazy dream. Like thinking like this is so vivid and so realistic. So yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

7881.471

If you live in a dream for the rest of your life, you are still alive and you are still experiencing things. You're just experiencing things in a non-physical way, the way we interact with reality today. So you and I are interacting with reality with a couple glasses of whiskey, a cigar, we have a wooden table, we're talking into microphones.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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But the reality that you interact with in dreams is it's not tangible. It's existing. You're experiencing it. But it's in some other realm. It's some realm of the mind and some realm of consciousness. And maybe what you're doing is accessing a dimension of possibilities that is entirely created by consciousness. Right.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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And maybe there's multiple layers to that and things can come from other places to us that way. It's always been interesting to me that these people that have these abduction experiences, it seems like the vast majority – You know, I'm aware of the Betty and Barney Hill story, and this is Travis Walton, the guy who got abducted in Arizona. That's the black and white couple?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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No, no, Betty and Barney Hill. Betty and Barney Hill. Actually, Angela Hill, who's the granddaughter of them, is a UFC fighter. Oh, really? Yeah. She was on the podcast and didn't tell me that until after the podcast was over.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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I'm like, damn. Was your grandfather? That's so crazy.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Her grandfather was Barney Hill. So these people all have very compelling stories. Now, the difference between Travis Walton's story and the other stories is people saw Travis Walton go up to that UFO. Travis Walton disappeared for five days. Travis Walton came back from being in the woods for five days with this crazy story. And the other people, most of them, it happens at night, right?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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And so when you're dreaming, like who knows what the fuck is really happening? And if you're lying in bed and you get abducted by aliens and they return you to your bed, like what really happened? Is there a video of you disappearing? Or if we had like a video in that room, would you have the same experience but your physical body never goes anywhere? It's like, what are you really experiencing?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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That's the question. And I'm not doubting that these people have something happen to them. But we do know that when people are dreaming, there's an endogenous release of psychedelic chemicals. There's this crazy experience of dreams and of vivid dreams and lucid dreams. So what is that? And if that is something that can be traversed, is that something that someone can enter into?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Is it possible that other intelligence that's different than ours, that's more advanced than ours, that lives in a different dimension than ours, has access to the mind in these exchanges?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Yeah, and maybe even physically. I'm not even dismissing physical contact. But I'm just saying that many of these cases where people claim to have been abducted happen at night. I don't think that is a coincidence. I think the realm of consciousness is, I think we're very arrogant in our belief that we understand what's going on with how we interface with reality.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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We know we have things that we count on because every time I come here, I'm pretty sure the same garbage is going to be on this table. It's going to be the same. But I don't think we're really sure with how consciousness interacts with the world and how much of it is real.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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So what are the things that— I'm sorry, but on most cases, is there a certain age where people start to develop it? And has there been any cases of very young people that get Alzheimer's?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Whatever. Everything.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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I mean, maybe it's something you're experiencing that's from somewhere else. Or maybe it's your consciousness interacting with reality in a completely alien environment that is guaranteed to give you a heightened sense of anxiety. The woods at night. A lot of these people are experiencing these things in the woods at night.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Maybe there's a level of consciousness you reach under those circumstances where you interact with things that you ordinarily cannot interact with. And maybe that's why there's a lack of physical evidence in our dimension. Like the physical evidence in our dimension is very limited.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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One thing that's compelling, and maybe the only thing that's compelling, is dermal ridges that they find on these footprints.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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So they find these footprints in muck, like where they step in mud and muck and stuff, and they leave behind not just footprints, but footprints with dermal ridges like fingerprints, which is very difficult to fake, especially in like the 1970s and the 1980s where some of these things were acquired. Right.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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So it's like I don't know what we're dealing with, but there's enough people that talk about that experience, and it makes you pause. I don't believe, but I don't disbelieve. And as far as Bigfoot being an actual large ape that lives undisturbed in the Pacific Northwest, I'm very skeptical because there's too many hunters now and too many people with cameras and too many camera traps.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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There's too many cell phone cameras. You know, where the trail cameras snap things that are going by. Wildlife biologists use them. We know of like a couple of jaguars that exist in the United States. And the reason why we know about them is because of trail cameras. So the fact that there's zero trail camera footage that's... Yeah, it doesn't – the Bigfoot thing is like maybe.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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But maybe you're interacting with something that's not physical. It might be something that's interdimensional or something that you – you might be looking at the past. You might be interacting with whatever experience this thing has had many, many, many, many years ago. It's like left behind.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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It might be echoes in space and echoes in time and that under certain states you can briefly access these echoes, briefly access these things that may have existed or might exist in other dimensions. I'm not ruling it out. I wouldn't bet the house on it. I wouldn't bet the house on it. But I do think there's a lot of bullshit artists too, though.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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I've talked to a lot of bigfoot people that are bullshit artists.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Well, you can't accept it as 100% truth unless you have 100% evidence. Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Jane Goodall.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Which is wild. The gorilla lady. Yeah. Do you ever hear her talk about it? No. Why does she believe in it? She believes from all the eyewitness sightings and the possibility and her time living with primates. Right. See if you can find Jane Goodall talking about it because when she talks about it, she talks about it with great enthusiasm. It's really interesting.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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I don't know. One thing, though, is when she was saying this was quite a while ago, more than a decade or two ago. And I think that over time, when there's still no evidence, people get more and more skeptical. I've talked to a bunch of people that have had Bigfoot experiences. I don't necessarily believe any of them. I don't disbelieve them, but I was like, there's not one story.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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I've talked to UFO abduction people, and I believe them. I believe them. You believe them. Yeah, I believe Travis Walton. I talked to that guy. He does not seem like a bullshit artist, and he hasn't changed his story in like fucking 30 years.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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That's good. Everybody talks to me about it. I'm romantic. I would like Bigfoot to exist. I've met people who swear they've seen Bigfoot. And I think the interesting thing is every single continent, there is an equivalent of Bigfoot or Sasquatch. There's the Yeti. There's the Yari in Australia. There's the Chinese wild man. And on and on and on. And, you know, I've had stories from people who...

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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You have to believe them. So there's something. I don't know what it is. I'm always open-minded.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Loch Ness Monster obviously doesn't exist.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Alien beings.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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I don't. I think that it doesn't make sense to think we're the only intelligent form of life. This wall that was built between us, we're just the only really intelligent, capable of this, that, and the other. Difference in kind between us and the other animals, that wall is broken down, and the chimps helped to break it down. Do you think...

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

8469.347

Well, her experience with chimps, you know, she's been embedded with chimps. Yeah. I definitely don't not believe, like I said, don't disbelieve. It's not like I say aliens aren't real. UFOs aren't real. It's all lies. All the people are lying. I don't think that at all. I think reality is weird. I think it's weirder than our senses are capable of detecting. That's what I think.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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You know what's really weird is underwater aliens. Underwater extraterrestrials or underwater UAPs. I don't know about cities. Are cities under there?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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But I have seen video. See, that's the point. There's video of things moving underwater at very high rates of speed.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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In fact, some of the whistleblowers, and again, how much of that's real, but some of the whistleblowers from the government have claimed that they have detected things underwater that are enormous, like the size of a football field, and they're moving 500 knots underwater with no visible means of propulsion. Correct. They think that this is where they hide in plain sight.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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They just exist in the water.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Spaceships and so forth. Pardon me. I haven't heard any of like – I've heard – there was the Commander David Fravor, the tic-tac event where there was this thing that was like 20 foot wide. It looked like a tic-tac. And they think there was something under it in the water. There was a disturbance that looked like an underwater submarine that's emerging or reaching the top of the surface. Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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And then when they were flying near it, it went down. And then there's been other people, other pilots that have actually seen large physical crafts in the water. But again, I've never seen any photos that are compelling.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

8603.019

That's fascinating. Yeah. Is that real or is that figment? Well, that wasn't chased. What do they call them? Extra medium and intermedium things. Transmedium. They call them transmedium crafts, which means they can fly in the air and they can fly through the water. They have seen things dunk into the water. They have video of one, but it's very grainy.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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It's very grainy night vision, thermal vision of this thing dunking into the water, and then they don't know what happened. Then it came out of the water. It was flying around again. They don't know what the fuck that is. They're just guessing.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

8649.083

The really crazy one is the Tic Tac because the Tic Tac, they have a bunch of different types of data. They have, first of all, the pilots who saw it. They have the video from the pilots' cabins. They have this radar footage that tracked this thing going from above 50,000 miles to 50 feet in like one second. They don't know how the fuck anything can do that. Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

865.481

What was the scandal, the Alzheimer's research scandal? Because it was pretty significant. And they were saying that it throws into question all of these previous assumptions and therapies that they were providing for Alzheimer's disease. And this person had made a significant amount of money.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

8670.839

And then it takes off when they video it, this thing taking off from their visual, from their recording, their screens. It takes off at such an insane rate of speed. They said anything biological would just be turned to jelly instantly.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Because the G-force would just be insane. It's just insane rates of speed. And no visible means of propulsion. It does it from a completely stationary perspective. And then boom.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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It just takes off. Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Yeah, this is the one that goes in the water. Yeah. So look how grainy this is. It's like, what am I looking at? So the fact that it's grainy means what? Well, they're just looking at it from a long distance with aircraft optics. These are weapon optics, right? So graininess means it's less possible. Well, it's dark out. And this is how they're seeing this thing.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

8731.478

And then it just goes into the water. And if you hear it, you hear the recording. You hear the recording, Jamie? Yeah. Listen to them freak out. Yeah, they're freaking out. Right into the water. So the thing went into the water. Yes. And then also went out of the water. It was tic-tac. Yeah. But the thing is, how many of these things are ours? Not zero.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

8755.414

Have you ever seen that underwater drone that the United States has developed? No, I haven't seen that one. Fucking cool. It looks like a UFO. It looks like a UFO that flies underwater. It goes underwater. I don't think it goes above the water. I think it only goes underwater, but it looks like a spaceship.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Right.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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But then the question is, like, what is it doing? Is it actually experiencing G-force at all? Because if it's some sort of a gravity proportion device, it might be experiencing no G-force. Right. And it might be just pushing space out of the way as it moves forward. We don't understand. That's like. Do we have that technology? It's a good question.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

8820.198

acknowledge the fact that we're at that level of technology then you have to account for where's it coming from right there's definitely a lot of questions i mean i definitely don't claim to have any answers yeah what is this one what's cool the manta ray thing oh yeah look at this sucker look at this this is the one that goes this is a drone that we developed it's like a manta ray drone it's really cool looking

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

8843.054

Well, it's not so many. It's pretty big. Is it? But look at it. It looks like a fucking UFO that goes under the water. And it flies through the water. And also, like, what are we looking for? Are we looking for foreign subs or are we looking for aliens? Both. I wonder. I wonder. I wonder.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Imagine if they knew some stuff was under the ocean and they don't want to tell anybody because they don't want to freak people out.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Are there cities down there? What website are you reading?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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So I haven't heard anything about cities in the Mariana Trench. Jamie, have you heard anything about cities? Yeah, look it up. I know where I'm headed.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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I know where I'm headed. Maybe on this YouTube channel.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Come on. You've had quite a bit of that whiskey, sir.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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That's a lot.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

8921.184

Yeah, I don't know if it totally helps. You sound a little hammered. You think? Yeah, give me another one of glutathione. You need another one? Okay. How many you got? Yeah, I got plenty. How many did you take?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Jesus, you with the finishing the bottle. Absolutely. You're going to die from that. No. This really helped your level.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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You might want to go to an AA meeting.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

8950.996

Been there. What is the Mariana Trench Cities all about?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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You're going to go right to Reddit.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

898.088

But they were talking about fraud. Now, this was like fraud in scientific research.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

8996.369

Oh, yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Good to see you again, my friend. Hey, it's always great to be here. It's been a while.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9009.537

Yeah. If there really are things that are monitoring us and checking us out, it makes sense. If life exists and it's more advanced than us somewhere else, whether it's in another dimension or it's on another planet, it completely makes sense to me that they would visit us.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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And if we're on a path, a predictable path of evolution that almost all intelligent life goes on, there's probably going to be pitfalls that they could help us navigate.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

904.973

How a retracted paper affected the course of Alzheimer's research. But it's one paper, and what was the focus of? Okay. June 2024 landmark Alzheimer's research page was retracted due to fraud allegations. Do we waste billions? of dollars and thousands of hours of scientist time, maybe not, or new potentially hopeful drugs on the market targeting the subject of the paper, amyloid beta.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9042.04

Jane Goodall studying the chimps. Let's imagine they're still studying the chimps 500 years from now, 1,000 years from now, 100,000 years from now. Let's imagine civilization still exists. Chimps still exist. We've protected it. We've done a smart thing. What if they start making tools? What if they start making weapons? What if they eventually start going to war with each other?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9059.737

What if one chimp figures out gunpowder? If their brains keep growing like ours allegedly did. Sounds like us. Yeah. Right. Imagine if we were observing emerging intelligence in other primates other than us. How would we handle it? How would we handle it if all of a sudden chimpanzees Not all of a sudden, but hundreds of thousands of years now.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9082.279

What would our future society do if in the future chimpanzees start developing weapons and buildings and planes and doing all the shit that we do when we're far more advanced than that then? Is that Planet of the Apes? Well, it's not because like you would think that they would become a different thing. You know, they would become like we did, right? Like we used to be Australopithecus.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9102.74

We used to be all these different hominids. What if they eventually become like more hairless? They start wearing clothes. It would be fucking real interesting to see how human beings would handle that. What would we do a million years from now if hominids kept advancing down an evolutionary plane and they eventually got to a place where they were like ancient humans? How would we do?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9128.318

If we were super advanced, like, oh, you guys can't go to war. Don't war. We stopped war a while ago. You guys need brain chips. Brain chips stop the war. Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9141.958

It is interesting because what's different between us and any other people that have ever lived is that we've figured out a way to optimize your health in a very substantial way. In the past, someone who was my age, I'm 57, someone who was my age, your body's probably broken. Your body is probably beaten down. Your hormones are dead. You're probably real tired all the time. And I'm not.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9166.746

And because of vitamins and hormones and all the different things that I do to keep my body healthy and exercise. We're living in a different time. And because of that, you stay vital. You have vitality much longer than anyone ever did before. So you can explore things and you have more curiosity and energy for thought more than anybody ever has before.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Nope. Good.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9202.203

Yeah, Jamie's real good at it. Jamie practices every night with different dudes. He does. Yeah, I can imagine.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

928.589

The video breaks down the amyloid beta hypothesis, the fraud itself, and where we go from here. So what is the fraud itself, Jamie, does it say? So you can find an article that's just not a video, not attached to a video?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9291.667

And exercise, not just for that, but also just to maintain your physical presence, your strength, your bone density.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9334.273

I'm sensing a trend here.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9340.415

I did.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9346.538

Awesome. Much more high in vitamin C, apparently, than even oranges.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9355.101

Do you take liposomal vitamin C as well?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9364.225

Yeah, I take that stuff, too. Good to see you. That's such a great thing, too, if you're sick, is high-dose intravenous vitamin C. It's a big one.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9375.694

Yeah. I had a skeptical friend of mine who dismisses all kinds of quackery. He was real sick with the flu. He couldn't get over it for weeks. And I told him, listen, man, I'm going to hook you up, do this, get IV zinc and vitamin C and... High dose vitamin C and B12. And he was better immediately. He said 24 hours later. He couldn't kick this fucking flu. He said, I had it for two weeks.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9435.266

That's crazy. You shouldn't talk about that publicly. No, I should not.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9440.308

It's weird that you can talk about it now. Oh, good. Now, you know, fucking people are taking it.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9473.711

That's amazing.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9489.207

Sounds like that. It does? What do you think about all the people that are very – yeah, you had a Samsung phone. It's definitely yours.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9495.972

Is that a Google phone or a Samsung phone? Google. Google. You like that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9507.6

Oh, yeah?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9508.761

Ride or die, huh?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9512.163

Google just gave me the new Pixel 9 XL Pro. It looks sick. And then they gave me the Pixel Fold. It was like a gift when I went to the inauguration thing. Yeah, it's pretty sick.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9524.547

The Fold seems crazy. I'm addicted enough to watching YouTube videos on a regular phone. I don't need a fucking tablet that I take. Have you seen what Huawei's made? Oh. Huawei, they're banned in America because they're too awesome. And also they spy on you. But Huawei has developed a threefold. And apparently Samsung is going to come out with one next year. It's a threefold, though.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

953.058

I understand this, but I just want to know what the fraud was. Oh, okay. So what is the fraud? Amyloid hypothesis. Scroll down a little bit, Jamie. What's the fraud? Where does it get to? What did the paper bullshit about? Putting it into perspective. Okay. 56 paper lead to. But later published and failed to find. Where's the fraud? What's it say?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9545.148

It literally comes out to like a 10-inch tablet. And it's very thin. Look at this. Look at that.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9555.333

That's the Huawei threefold. And super thin, amazing cameras. They were so advanced. I was trying to get a Porsche design Huawei phone. They were working with, you know, Porsche design makes a bunch of things. They make like watches and sunglasses. They don't just make cars. Like Porsche design is like a separate entity of Porsche.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9576.477

And Porsche designed work with Huawei to make the ultimate cell phone. And I was ready to buy it because I'm a dork. I'm really into technology. And I was like, oh, that thing's crazy. Let me get it. And I think it had a 100 megapixel camera on the phone. And this was a while ago. And a 5,000 milliamp battery, which was also crazy. But then they banned Huawei products in America.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9598.682

So you can't get that trifold. Backdoor right to the CCP. Yeah. Yeah, allegedly, but isn't TikTok too? Yes. There's a lot of backdoors. There's a lot of data getting scooped up.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9617.529

Oh, boy.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9621.431

What the fuck can you use?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9623.772

I don't trust anybody anymore. I'm scared.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9626.915

Scared of all of it. But I think it's all inevitable. And I think if you look at what's going on, like in terms of like what's the direction that technological progress moves us into? Well, it's a direction, it seems, of more and more connectivity, which means less and less privacy.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9644.714

So we're going to have to work that out because when quantum computers can crack all encoding, it's like any encryption that exists, quantum computing is going to crack all that. So you're not going to have real encryption anymore. So like what happens with Bitcoin and digital currency? What happens with all that stuff? What happens with your bank account? I don't know. Weird times. Yeah.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9679.087

You saw that.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9680.308

Accurate.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9686.674

It's just like we're living in an ultra surveilled world. And I think the good news is that the new government is emphasizing privacy and freedom of speech. And the other government was emphasizing cracking down on what they called misinformation and disinformation and more control of what you say and do and where you go. And the way to get more control is more invasive technology.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9709.465

And that's what scares the shit out of me. Yeah. Is people. It's not necessarily the technology. It's people taking advantage of the technology in order to have more control of the population, which makes their job easier.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9731.364

Good for you.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9733.306

My friend Adam Curry, he's super paranoid. Maybe not. Maybe not paranoid. Maybe super aware of digital surveillance and all that stuff. So he has a de-Googled phone. He has a phone that doesn't have Google on it, and it's... What's that operating system that they use for that stuff? Do you remember, Jamie?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9757.925

I just asked him the other day.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9759.666

We were talking the other day at the inauguration. I was saying, dude, every other day I get an article about a Tesla phone. He was laughing. He goes, I hope we don't have to make a phone. Right. That's what he said. I hope we don't have to pick a phone because it's very difficult to pick a phone. But whoever's promoting it. That's it, Graphene OS. So Graphene is de-Googled phones.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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So they take these pixels and they de-Google them and they put this Graphene OS, which is a completely different operating system. Yeah. And then you have another phone called the unplugged phone. Pixel 7. Yeah. That's it. And so they use these things, and they work just like a regular phone. And you can get them where they don't have 5G because some people think 5G is bad for you.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Well, let's just wrap it up. We're at 4 o'clock. Okay. Mark Gordon, I love you to death. You're an awesome guy. I appreciate you very much. Thank you, my friend. It's always good to see you. Thank you for all your research and all the work you do and spreading information and knowledge.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Yeah, and tell everybody the website so they can find it.

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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I don't think you have to say www anymore. I don't have to say it? No, no, nobody knows that. How about W-cubed?

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

9858.997

And then is Warrior Angel Foundation still...

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#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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Yeah, just find out like what was the – this seems like very involved. This is a science journal.

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#2194 - Luis Elizondo

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Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.

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Oh, 1950.

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100%.

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100%.

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100%.

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government.

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#2194 - Luis Elizondo

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So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.

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#2194 - Luis Elizondo

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Best and brightest. Secured. Best and brightest.

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#2194 - Luis Elizondo

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Right.

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#2194 - Luis Elizondo

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Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.

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#2194 - Luis Elizondo

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So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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And if you don't have a good community of people that are also doing that, you're on your own.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Thanks for having the courage to put all your thoughts out there. And I love what you do. I love your show. And you're awesome, man.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Well, I think people will turn around and kick the ball into their own goal. But I also think they're being helped. I think there's a substantial amount of this that just works automatically. It preys upon really weak minds and particularly bullies and mean people who want to find other people that they can hate to justify whatever virtue they believe that they have above those people.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1057.577

And they'll use it to hate. And John Cleese made a great video about this, why extremism is so interesting. It's on my Instagram. I reposted it the other day. Someone posted it. We'll give them credit for it. But it's a great clip from John Cleese from 30 years ago. From 30 years ago. Prophetic. Pre-social media. There was no social media at this time.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Did he pay for each person? Yep, yep.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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And he essentially nails what's going on with both the right-wing extremists and the left-wing extremists. It's the same thing. They're the same people. They're finding a thing. Click this. Thank you. Thank you. The reasons to power your website with Squarespace are endless.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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I took the glasses off. I was hoping you were going to keep them on. You want me to keep them on? You can pull them off. Some dudes can't pull off douchey glasses. You think these are douchey? A little bit if I didn't know you, but I know you. You're not douchey at all, so you can wear cool glasses.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

122.447

How many went?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Don't you want to see their search histories?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

133.238

The flat people, I want to see.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1439.95

Yeah. I mean, if you're looking to destroy someone particularly, like you're attacking someone online particularly, almost all of those people are deeply broken. There's always some creepiness that lurks behind the scenes that you're trying to cover up for with your actions. Almost always. You're trying to put the light on this person.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1460.526

You're going to put the eye of Sauron on this person to keep it off yourself. I've seen that a lot of... you know, self-proclaimed male feminists.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1470.621

Yeah, that I know to be creeps, you know? And I'm like, ew. And I'll see them attacking some other guy, and I'm like, oh, God. I don't dive in, but I want to sometimes. Sometimes I want to just burn the boats and pull the fucking pins on the grenades.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Yeah.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1622.068

The oldest story in history. I mean, it's tribal genetics. It's like baked into our DNA, literally. And it can be manipulated. And when people are doing it, and they're doing it with a very obvious distortion of your actual position, just to label you as the worst possible, least charitable version of you that could ever be... remotely considered.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

165.345

Did the flat earthers switch stances? So three. Three did and one didn't?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1650.644

You see that all the time where people are just trying to distort a narrative. You're seeing that right now with Elon, right? You're seeing people justify violence and extreme vandalism. And you're seeing people cheer it on. And it's very strange. There was a thing on The Daily Show where the host was talking about the attacks on Tesla and people keying people.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1675.77

And the audience starts clapping and cheering. It's so strange. It's so fucking strange. And it also just shows you how positions just completely flip-flop. Like the Tesla used to be the car that you drove to let everybody know that you were environmentally conscious and you were a good leftist.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1698.725

It's like a thousand jet airplanes flying overhead for a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's wild. You're lighting batteries on fire. They're so toxic.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1711.093

Oh, it's all going to come down and rain. It's going to pollute the water. The fish are going to be polluted. You're not going to be able to eat them. But we're doing good. This is for a righteous cause. Yeah. It's all funded, too. It's funded by NGOs. That's where it gets really creepy.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1725.844

Yeah, people are uncovering exactly what's going on. And this is where... This is where it gets fascinating, because all this stuff has operated pretty much with impunity in the past, before Doge, before Elon and his crew of hyperspectrum psychopaths started to... Fucking Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Super wizards started diving into all this data.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1749.584

And this is something that Ted Cruz talked about. He said, we had always known that there was these problems, but until Elon came along, With these algorithms, we couldn't expose them. We didn't understand what was going on.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1760.351

And now they've used AI to create this understanding of the net of NGOs that is all funded by USAID and by similar type programs where you kind of have these open-ended checks that get written to the other side. Other side. That's the top. Yeah, right there. How often do you smoke cigars, fella?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1785.813

All right. No worries. Keep going. But this is essentially the way Mike Benz describes it. He's the very best at it. I don't know if you've ever seen his breakdowns of USAID.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1799.64

Incredible.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

180.512

It's just all ice. That is so fucking hardcore. Because, you know, there's a bunch of things up there that look like pyramids. And what it really is is just an unusual peak of an enormous mountain. Have you seen the Antarctic pyramids? Yeah, you got to go all in on that. Okay. We have hard launched this episode. People that believe wild shit about Antarctica.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1800.64

They're so interesting because you realize this has been going on forever and ever and ever. And this is the arm of the government that is about regime change. A lot of the money gets funneled into these other countries. And it's under the guise of, air quotes, aid. But it's not aid. It's Agency for International Development.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1821.072

And it's all about influence and power all throughout the world and also at home. And one of the things that it does at home is they organize these protests. They organize protests, different NGOs do, all funded by the government, all funded by taxpayer money in this weird way. And when they do it, they pay people to show up at these places.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1843.707

I've got pamphlets that people have given me that they've taken from these locations or gotten from email lists. Is that purposefully no digital record? I think probably, but I don't think they care. I mean, I think as long as they're saying they're going to pay you to protest, I think that's legal. I think it's legal to pay someone to protest.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1861.841

So they're paying people $1,000, and they're giving them food and snacks, and you can get a lot of people to just show up for $1,000. And then some of them are going to get a little vandaly.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1876.87

How crazy is it that the left... are the ones who are painting swastikas on cars. Just understand how crazy positions can flip and flop. The left is upset that we're not continuing an endless war in Ukraine. The left is upset that this guy is uncovering fraud and waste. And so in order to stop that, you must light cars on fire and put swastikas on them. Because he's a Nazi.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1905.896

Because he said, my heart goes out to you. Even though there's countless videos of AOC doing that gesture, Tim Walz doing that gesture enthusiastically. Many, many people.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1927.179

He's, you know, he's on the spectrum, man. He's not normal.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1948.776

Apparently Trump's son went up to Biden at the inauguration and said, it's on now. What is this, a fucking UFC fight? I mean, that's literally apparently lip readers have like read what he said when he went up to, because there's a moment where he goes up to Biden and Biden looks confused and he doesn't smile. But he walks up to him and says, it's on now.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

1982.543

That kid knew there was lip readers. I don't think he gave a fuck. I think they tried to put his dad in jail and he wants to kill that guy. That's what I think. He's like, fuck you. Because imagine your dad's getting that close to put in jail for bullshit for the rest of his life. Like if he got put in jail for 25 to life, he's dead. He's dead. He dies in jail. He's going to get no food.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2001.794

There's going to be no nutrition, no sunlight, depression, intense fucking anxiety. You're in jail. You're dead. He's 80 years old. He's not going to last to 105 in jail.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

206.303

So you know about the direct energy weapon theory, right? Yes, I did see that on Sean Ryan's show. Yes, I did as well.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2077.859

It's ridiculous. Newsweek wrote an article about how one of the names of one of our podcast guests, who's a good friend of mine, Michael Costa, his name was misspelled accidentally. On the feed? On the feed.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2106.034

It wasn't even misspelled, right? It was M, capital I, Michael Costa. Like me, Kyle Costa or something. Okay.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2116.36

It's a fucking article in Newsweek.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2128.604

What happens, it happens. People make mistakes. You're typing things in.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2132.465

But the fact that it's an article that we're being called out for a typo. But it's just anything for clicks, man.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

214.315

Yeah. He sounds really interesting, but I want to sit him next to Eric Weinstein. You know what I'm saying? Is anything this guy's saying make any sense? Because I've done that before with Eric, with one guy who was a fraudster. I sent him a video and I said, tell me if this is gobbledygook or if this is real physics.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2275.672

And anything masculine is right-wing. Anything. You cannot be masculine. Like, you cannot be interested in physical fitness, anything.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2286.762

Yes. You can't like fast cars. Nope. You're not allowed to. You're not even allowed to like Teslas anymore.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2293.969

Which are the fastest cars. Yep. Yeah, you're a misogynist. You're probably racist. Maybe a Nazi. I'm going to put a swastika in your car just to let everybody know. There was a really fucking stupid graph that someone put up of how right-wing social media and new media people dominate. That was the Media Matters study.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2318.735

I was at the top of the list, and I was like, I feel like the way Caitlyn Jenner must have felt when she won Women of the Year. Like... It's so quick. I got to the top of the list. I'm not even right wing. Just because I support Trump, I supported him over the rest of the fucking nonsense that was going on when you're trying to push through someone without even a primary. There it is. This is it.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2340.334

I'm number one, bitch. It's kind of funny. They're putting Theo Vaughn in there.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2345.84

Yeah, Lex Friedman. That's hilarious to put him in there. Who else do they have in there that's ridiculous?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2352.402

Well, Piers Morgan is kind of light right leaning, I think. Light right. But I think he's pretty reasonable. I think he's far more of a centrist.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Of course. He loves it. He loves any sort of intellectual stimulation, and especially if it's like mathematics or physics or something where it's his wheelhouse. And, you know, he's great. Because someone can sound really good to me, you know? They can start quoting thermal dynamics.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2368.529

It's not, but Tony was at the White House.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2375.035

Flagrant is not a right-wing show, you fucking idiot.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2381.2

You're allowed to. Shut up, Jamie.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2388.119

They're going to put you on now. Jamie, those red ones are real. Just shut up.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2395.101

They're all real. There's a couple blue ones that are real, too. Fuck the name. Too small. No one cares. It's hilarious.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2421.917

Well, they're struggling to make progress in independent media for sure. They're trying to figure out why. They're trying to figure out why these – what they are calling right-wing – I think if you looked at all my positions, But I think way more of them are left wing than right wing.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2438.789

Well, the big one is having some sort of a social safety net. I was on welfare when I was a kid. My family was on food stamps. We were fucking poor as shit. And I remember that helping us a lot. We had food where I don't know what we would be doing. I mean, we were in a bad place. And there's social safety nets for people.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2461.429

My family got out of that, and my stepfather and my mother wound up doing well. They did really great, and they got out of debt and bought a house and great job and the whole deal. But when I was a little boy... We were fucked and I think social safety nets are very important for people. It's very important for society.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2482.11

If you care about people, you care about the whole society, you don't want people starving when there's ways to develop government programs to make sure people have food. And I think this idea of pulling them up by their bootstraps is horseshit. Some people don't have boots. They don't have straps. They don't have nothing. They're fucked from the moment they were born.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2505.079

They were born into a bad family environment, in a bad neighborhood, and crime, and gangs, and drugs. And it's not even playing field. Where are you at with healthcare? I think healthcare... 100% should be socially funded.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2521.667

I think that Medicare and Medicaid, having programs where people who are hurt can get an operation and it's not going to bankrupt them for the rest of their life is another thing that I think society should be It should be a part of our agreement to take care of each other as a community, that we chip in money for what people would think of as socialist positions.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2543.91

And I always bring up the fire department because the fire department is one of the best examples that everybody sort of agrees. It's a socialist sort of thing. You give your tax dollars. The tax dollar supports the fire department. The fire department fairly puts out fires for everybody. They don't not put out your fire if you don't have any money.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2568.239

But I also...

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2569.912

believe in competition i've said this before i'll say it again i want my doctor to be a bad motherfucker who drives a mercedes i want my doctor to like be really good i wanted to be an artist you know i want to go to the guy who fixes the lakers knees you know that's the guy you want you want that guy who has a nice watch and he lives in a nice house and he kicks ass and he knows how to fucking fix people really well he's the best at it and you go to him and you get an operation and you're fucking golden that's what you want when you you want

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

257.001

Like chiropractors do. You know, chiropractors use all these crazy, weird terms for musculature and different insertion points. It's to let you know that they have a comprehensive understanding of the body that's far beyond yours, Chris. And this is the same thing like a lot of fraudsters do. They'll use enormous language and very verbose, you know, phrases.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2597.565

Competition because competition inspires excellence. You know, being rewarded for your hard work is a giant incentive for people to get amazing at things. And you need that. You need that, too. But there's also a lot of very big. good doctors who would be very happy to do something that helps the overall greater good of the community.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2622.942

Just like you have really good criminal defense attorneys that are assigned to you if you're getting unjustly tried and you want a really good one that can help you. There's state appointed attorneys that are just good people that want to help people. Bill Murray was talking about his daughter. His daughter does that.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2643.539

You know, there's room for that with the amount of money that we spend on so many things that we all agree are fucked. And maybe some of that could be freed up with some of this USAID money that they're pulling. I mean, there's nothing wrong with giving people health care.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2659.707

Like, if you know anybody that's been injured and was bankrupt because they didn't have insurance and then they had to get some crazy operation and now they have this enormous debt and they wind up going bankrupt or they're getting chased down for the money for the rest of their life, it's horrible.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2762.702

Yeah, I think it's a quiet epidemic. I think there's been a lot of people massively affected by it, and they're just steaming, just sitting there seething, just angry.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2776.697

But then you see the— the fucking revolving door between the FDA and the pharmaceutical drug corporations where these people leave and then all of a sudden they have these amazing jobs at pharmaceutical drug companies and they're making millions of dollars. How is that legal? How is this whole thing legal?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2792.683

When you realize that doctors are incentivized to medicate people, they're financially incentivized to give people certain medications, whether it's vaccines, they get bonuses if they're vaccinate more than 60% of their clients and they lose those bonuses if people don't get vaccinated. There's like a lot of creepy shit that's involved in medicine.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

28.567

You've been wearing them a lot. I like them.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

281.302

And it's like they're just trying to get you to think that they're smarter than they are.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2821.72

So you have to get it from the big companies.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2844.479

If it's good, if it's a very important pharmaceutical drug that can save people's lives.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2849.903

Imagine not letting compound pharmacies make it for people that can't get it.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2865.556

Yeah, that's all just eliminating competition, right?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

2912.597

They all get those sucked in cheeks and the eye sockets suck in. It looks really creepy.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

292.811

Yes. And especially when if you're dealing with a truly brilliant person, that's what the pyramid is.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

3022.577

Yeah. I'm in favor of Ozempic for people that are morbidly obese. I think anything that can get you on the path. And I think if you can combine that, if you can say, okay, this is what I'm doing, so I'm going to do this, and then I'm going to start an exercise program. And then you wind up losing 30, 40 pounds. You feel better. You look better.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

303.882

Any kooky websites? But it does look like a pyramid.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

3042.961

If you can continue this exercise program, you've at least put a healthy thing in your life along with Ozempic. I think that's critical because also that can mitigate some of the negative effects of one of the things that we're seeing is that people are losing a lot of muscle mass and a lot of bone mass. As much as 30% of the weight that people are losing is muscle and bone.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

3064.314

And that, I think, could probably be mitigated with regular strength training. You know, you're only hearing about this from people that aren't strength training.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

3073.341

But which is the majority of these people that need this drug in the first place?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

308.988

Yeah.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

311.111

But the reality is that's probably under a couple miles of ice.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

3156.724

And they don't have a coping mechanism.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

3159.446

Right. And then there's the issue also, you're not going to feel as good because your body's not absorbing nutrients correctly. You're missing some of your stomach. It's like your stomach fills up quicker because they removed part of it. That can't be good just for overall metabolic health. You've diminished your body's ability to break down food. That just can't be good.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

3182.14

And there's other ways to do it. There's other ways to do it. It's like there's a gambling term that you got to get better the same way you got sick. So like say if you and I were playing pool and we're playing for $100 a game. Okay. And you're up five games. You're up $500. And I say next game for $500. And you go, no, you got to get better the same way you got sick.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

3206.885

You can't just win one game and now you're even. And they're like, come on, what are you, a pussy? Are you scared? Like, no, that's not how this works.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

3215.891

You went down a dark road and you missed a lot of shots and now you're fucked. And I'm not going to let you off the hook with one easy thing. I might do that if it's like, okay, you put up $1,000 and I'll put up $300. We'll see that.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

3236.561

Yeah, you got a jacket in my favor where I'm willing to make a risk.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

3369.477

I knew a girl who was on it. She was a very pretty girl that was a little heavy. And then got on the Fen-Phen and just wanted to talk to everybody. Couldn't stop talking. And got real thin. I was like, this is crazy. And then she developed a heart problem. Yeah, that she kept for the rest of her life, I believe.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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I don't know her anymore, but I ran into her a couple years later, and she was telling me she has a heart problem.

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Well, there's tons of side effects. It depends upon the person because obviously people are very different biologically. Everyone has a different tolerance to alcohol. People have different tolerances to foods. And you're going to have different tolerances to medications. And I have good friends that have had horrible side effects from Ozempic. They tried it. They got on it. Terrible. Pancreatitis?

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Yeah, I got a buddy of mine. He was in bed for two weeks. He was really sick, and I know several other people that just feel terrible when they take it, and they had to get off of it. It was really fucking with them. And then I know other people that have taken it, like a buddy of mine that works at the UFC. We ran into him the other day. I'm like, dude, you look fucking great.

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And he's like, yeah, I got on Rosembeck. Fuck it. I just went for it. I was like, hey, man. And he had a whole plan. He's going to get down to a certain weight, and then he's going to taper off. Transition. But he looked great. He looked great.

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It's not that big. I've been there. There's seats everywhere. You would know you're there.

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Yeah, but Alex is not on anything.

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He's not on Ozempic at all. He works with my friend Sean.

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You never had a conversation with him?

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No, people think he's a totally different person. They think they've replaced Alex Jones with someone else.

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David, I saw something. He got upset that I've never had him on the show. And it's just the reptile stuff. It's just the shapeshifter stuff. I would still have him on. I think fascinating just to try to pick some of those ideas apart or listen to them.

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Well, imagine if it's real. I mean, if shapeshifters were real, if there really are evil reptilian aliens and they've infiltrated our society and they've been pulling the strings forever. and only a couple of people knew, how ridiculous would that idea be? How ridiculous? It would be so ridiculous. But is an alien shapeshifter, reptile person,

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Is that any weirder than the most recent theory that our entire universe is taking place inside of a black hole that's in another universe? Yeah, there's recent calculations that are leading these – I guess it would be astrophysicists. Like who would be studying this? See if you can find it, Jamie. It's the most bizarre headline. Because you're like, what the fuck are you saying?

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Yeah, I was going to send this to you as well, Jamie. I'll send you one of the most comprehensive breakdowns of it on X, because it's quite stunning. So apparently, through the use of LIDAR, they have discovered that there are enormous structures underneath the Great Pyramid that go...

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Like, the whole universe is inside of a black hole? New NASA data hints we could be living inside a black hole. Great. Now, is that... Isn't that weirder than reptile people? Because reptile people... Those are the two choices. Reptile people's not that weird, right? Like... Octopi have the ability to completely transform their appearance and instantaneously adapt to an environment.

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Why wouldn't we assume to some super advanced species from another planet that we would be horrified if we saw their real face? They'd just transform and look like the Queen of England.

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Why do you come into existence and then go away?

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The way it was explained to me is that if the universe is truly infinite, not only is there another version of you somewhere, but there is another version of you that did the exact same thing you have done every step of the way. Every time you sneezed. every hesitation before you spoke your mind, every time you almost went into traffic when you didn't realize their light was still red.

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All of those things have happened in the exact same order an infinite number of times and every possible conceivable variation in between.

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kilometers deep into the earth with coils so enormous pillars and then these coils they don't understand what it is because they're all looking they're just looking at lidar images but whatever this is is a uniform structure there's several pillars and all of this is like very very very weird

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Yep. Went trans instead of straight. All of it. All of it. That you live in a totalitarian environment, that you live in a utopia, that the Germans won the war. Yeah, all that. Everything. Everything that could possibly be different would be different in every possible scenario. That's what infinite means. It means it's so vast. The craziest one to me was the concept that...

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I was like, oh, I get it.

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Inside every galaxy, in the center of every galaxy is a supermassive black hole. And that supermassive black hole is approximately one half of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy. If you go into that supermassive black hole, so there's hundreds of billions of galaxies, right? Inside that supermassive black hole is an entirely another universe.

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filled with all sorts of different galaxies that have supermassive black holes in them. You go into one of those, another universe, filled. Supermassive black holes, another universe, filled. All supermassive black holes, each one, another universe.

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But why is that weirder than the universe is infinite? Why is that weirder? I mean, just the weirdness of what it is is so fucking insane. The idea that it's infinite or that there's an infinite multiverses and infinite versions of these things inside black holes and in all sorts of ways that we haven't even really figured out yet. That's not that much weirder than what's real.

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What's real is insane. What's real is that the whole thing was smaller than the head of a pin. And for no understandable reason, it expanded instantaneously and became the universe that you see in the sky today. Okay. Okay. What the fuck are you saying? McKenna had a great line about that, that science requires of you but one miracle.

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It's a miracle. What is it if it's not that? I mean, it's a thing of science. Yes. Okay.

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So if you can study all of the matter and you study all of the forces and all the energy and all the reasons why matter coalesces or matter expands, yes, you could probably, given enough time and enough quantum computing power, figure out what's causing everything to compress down smaller than the head of a pin and then explode. But it's still crazy.

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Even if you had some scientific explanation for it, it's fucking insane.

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I love the videos that show you the size of Earth and the size of our sun and the size of other suns.

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Yeah. What the fuck? I don't know if there's suns that big, but there's definitely suns as big as our solar system.

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I think that's a giant problem with our society is that light pollution keeps us from seeing that all the time.

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It's an amazing movie. I just saw it again a couple weeks ago. Me too. It was incredible. It's so good. It's so weird. Such a weird movie.

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Yeah. I think I probably read it in high school, but I don't remember it at all.

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Oh, really?

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It's really crazy. There's a guy, Jay Anderson, and he did a breakdown of it. Maybe this would be good. We could play this. It makes a little more sense when someone's explaining it to you.

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Tom Holland, Robert Pattinson, nice. Absolutely stacked.

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Yes, I did. Yeah.

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37.

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Yeah, I do. How long have you been with this gal?

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Did you ever go on a trip with her?

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Yeah, you've got to go on a long trip with them.

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No, if you want to find out what's up. You got to go on a trip.

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Yeah, you got to see how they deal with travel, how they deal with stress, how they deal with restaurant. Can they keep up their act when you're with them 24 hours a day for weeks at a time?

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Well, you just need to see what people are like when they're with you all the time. Because people put on a show. They put on a show. You're a handsome guy. You're successful. They want to impress you. They want to pretend they're something that you would love. And then maybe they have ideas of morphing you and changing you over time. You know, like you get a car.

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I think it's pretty good, but I like to update the engine. I do some shit to the tires. Maybe change the way the interior looks. You start changing it. And then all of a sudden, Chris is wearing different clothes. What's going on, Chris?

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Zowie Hawass, by the way, has said it's nonsense.

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According to Graham Hancock. This is the wonderful thing about having Graham Hancock.

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How do they fix it?

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Balls and surgery are two things that I don't like together. I like both of them. I don't think they should be together.

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Ball surgery is scary. Do you know that you can get a dick transplant if you lose your dick, but you cannot get ball transplants? You know why? No. Because you will carry the DNA of the original person. So say if I die and you get my balls, you will have my DNA. You will have my kids. So why can't I have your balls? Well, you could if I gave you permission maybe, but it's unethical.

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I was like, yeah, what's going on with this? Yeah, so click on that and go full screen, please. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. There are times in life when it's better to make that big purchase like buying a car for job opportunities or a home to build equity. If you're smart with your money, it could pay off big time in the long run.

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Why don't we swap one ball each?

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That would be funny if we both, if you had elective surgery to swap balls with a good buddy. Like, I love you so much, I want to swap a ball with you. Yep. We just don't know which one it's going to be today.

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It's like, because I had a gay couple that were friends that lived down the street from me, and they had a kid with a surrogate, and they shot their jizz into a cup and mixed it up. So they didn't know who's going to be the one who has the kid. Oh, wow. Yeah. Two men, one cup. They had to do it twice, too, because the first time the lady kept the kid. They paid her. They did the whole thing.

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What is this?

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At the end of it, she decided she wanted to keep the baby.

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It's weird. It's a weird thing. You're hiring someone to have your baby for you, and then wealthy people are doing it so they don't get their coots stretched out.

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Allegedly, that's why she did it. Well, maybe she just didn't want to carry babies anymore. She had a couple of them the normal way. But it's like so much of what the child experiences in the womb, it leads to this, I would imagine, this bonding thing with the woman. The baby's inside of you. You remember feeling the baby inside of you. It grows inside of you.

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Then it comes out of you and you raise it and it breastfeeds. It's like this bond is – I understand surrogacy if someone can't get pregnant, if this is the only way you can have kids. I'm not saying don't do it. But I'm saying it's fucking strange because this other person is – whatever anxiety they have, fear, their cortisol levels, if they have domestic abuse in their house, like all that –

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information is being transferred to the child.

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Well, that is definitely the future. I mean, look at plummeting sperm counts. Look at rising miscarriage rates. Look at the problems that people are having with microplastics and the disruption of the endocrine system.

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pesticides and herbicides and all these different ubiquitous chemicals that are affecting people's sperm counts and fertility it's it's a real factor and it's plummeting if you look at the if you look at like human beings from the last 60, 70 years, and you look at males in America, where their sperm count used to be and where it is now, it's rapidly decreasing.

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There's a lot of factors, sedentary lifestyle, processed foods, but there's also environmental factors that seem to be altering the actual way a child develops in the womb. And this is Dr. Shanna Swan's work.

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Yeah, which is an incredible, just, it's an incredible book, but it's just an incredible fact that the plastics that we use from microwave foods and water bottles and all that stuff is literally changing the development of children. It's changing the size of their testicles, the size of their penises.

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Yeah, yeah, the taint shrinks. It's really crazy stuff, and it replicates what happens in mammals when they do these studies with rats and hamsters, and the same things happen.

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Yeah, it's not even abundance, though. It's the food is so calorie rich and filled with shit. You know, that you just – you get so fat so quick. Like if you're eating nothing but junk food and drinking nothing but soda, as I sit here with a large Diet Coke, which I usually don't drink, but I do occasionally. That is – like a Diet Coke at least doesn't have the calories.

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But if you're having a large Coke like that, like if you have a Coke like this, what is this, a liter? This is probably a liter. 750 maybe or a liter? Yeah, it's a liter. So – How much sugar is in one liter of Coca-Cola? Let's find that out.

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Yeah. It's just brain cancer. Donald Rumsfeld approved brain cancer.

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94.7 grams. And people polish these things off every day. Someone's polishing off a two liter of Mountain Dew. Listen to this as we speak. So that's probably double that. So that's hundreds, hundreds of grams of sugar.

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Oh, my God.

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I would have thought it would be higher than 28%. I think we're doing pretty good.

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That makes sense. I mean, imagine a woman, you're going to get pregnant, and so you're going to be, you could work for a little while, but towards the end, you're not going to be able to work. And then after the child, it's going to be very difficult to work. So you're reliant on this other person that, like, how well do you know this person?

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Did you do that 10-day vacation in Jamaica with that guy? Did he drive from Montego Bay to Kingston twice in bad traffic? Do you know what happens when he makes mistakes? Does he blame other people, or does he apologize? Like, who is he? You know, because all that shit's going to come up when you get four hours sleep because the baby's crying.

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And then, you know, maybe he doesn't like his job anymore. He wants to quit. And you're like, you can't quit, motherfucker. You have to feed us. You have to take care of a family now. You're not going to just quit. What are you talking about? You don't like your job? Show up. And I can't imagine relying on another person like that. I mean, this is why women are so picky.

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When you see that 80% of the women are attracted to 20% of the men, and that's what that is.

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What did you expect? It's hard to have your shit together. It's hard to be kicking ass in this fucking complicated, bizarre world that we live in. It's hard. So for a woman, of course, they're going to grab... What about personality? Yeah, you're a fucking lazy bitch. That's part of your personality. Part of the reason why you're not successful at 40 years of age has to be you. Has to be.

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Some of it has to be. I mean, it could be a fucking avalanche of bad luck, one thing after the other, but... I would like to see that you're making progress towards a better direction. But if you're stuck in this modality, if you're stuck in this mindset of, you know, the world fucks me over, it's like never going to... No one's going to want to be with you.

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No one's going to want to have children with you. No one's going to be willing to rely on you to support a family. Like, you have to get your shit together. And you have to also be attractive, which is just dumb luck. Like you have the dumb luck of genetics. You got a good face. Ooh, you know, you got a good body. A lot of that's genetics too.

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You know, like what they like and what they don't like is mostly about breeding. It's mostly about is this person reliable to breed with?

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What do you think is the cause of it? Like, what do you think is the reason why more men aren't succeeding and getting college degrees and more men aren't going out and making as much money in their 20s?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Why do you think that is?

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I think that's probably a factor. I also think that corporate America, the whole structure of it with human resources and people working together, it's not necessarily what men want. What men want, if you want men to work in the best environment possible for men, they would work with mostly men. And they would probably be able to speak and communicate in a way that they did on Mad Men.

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They'd act like men. Men like to act like men. Most men that are involved in corporate life act like some strange character. That is what a man is supposed to be, especially if you're supposed to espouse all the latest social justice, you know, whatever the mantra is that you have to repeat. If you have to...

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rigidly adhere to an ideology in order to fit in with your corporate environment you're going to do that and you're going to be trapped in that and you're going to just desperately want some escape that's why ceos wind up going to dominatrix and getting fucking ball gagged and kicking the balls and shit like what do you think that is it's like they need something something wild to escape from the the mundane existence that they have in the corporate world that's a person that's in control all the time so privately i need to be out of control

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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It's just not compatible for most men, like that type of environment. A work office environment, it's not compatible. Nobody wants to do that. What you want is the rewards of that. You want the money. You want success. You want status. You want all those things. You want the corner office. But what you don't want is to work in that environment.

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If you could choose to make the same kind of money doing things that you love to do, having fun, Like if all these corporate CEOs could make as much money playing golf, I bet they would play golf. I don't think they really want to be doing that. They're doing that because it's the way in order. It's the way to succeed and the way to make money. And it feels like hell. It feels like hell.

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You're stuck in traffic every day. You're stuck in the office. You're not working eight hours a day if you want to really make it. And this is like why the wage gap between men and women was such an insidious lie because they were always saying women make 75 cents to every dollar a man makes. And people repeat that without understanding what it actually means. No, it's job choices and hours worked.

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Those are the primary factors. that lead to men earning more money than women. It's not a man and a woman are doing the same job and someone rips off the woman by only giving her 75 cents to what the man works. If that was the case, Everybody would employ women. Yeah, you would only employ women because women, you'd pay them less. They'd do a better job anyway, right, ladies? So there you go.

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It's nonsense. But that thing that Obama repeated on television, I remember watching him say that going, he knows better than this. This is bullshit. This is a bullshit statistic. But it's a heartstring statistic. Good headline. Yeah, it plays on what you want to believe rather than what's true. And women have to take time off for maternity leave.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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If they get pregnant, it's going to significantly impact the amount of hours they're willing to work. They might not want to do the job anymore once they're raising their children. If their husband's making enough money, they probably want to quit. They want to be at home with their kids. It's a normal thing.

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And then a lot of women who are career corporate women are shamed for wanting to stay home with their children.

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Well, that's how you feel like you're supposed to admit something. that you're just a mom.

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And they should be. Yeah. It's also crazy that... We put value in our lives on money above everything, including above doing a good job raising your children. You put the money that you earn above that, and you just get daycare during the day. I'll be home at 6. That's fine. That's plenty of time to be with my kid.

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And there's a lot of people that live their life by that, and their ledger, when they look at the amount of money that they've earned, that's what... That's the reward.

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Whole world, it's the best game ever created. And it's the game that so many people use to show their value. I mean, it's not just the richness of your life, the happiness that you have, the fulfilled feeling that you have when you do whatever it is that you do, where you feel like you have a sense of purpose.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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No, that's not, can't quantify that, can't measure it, can't put it on a scale, it's useless. Meanwhile, it's the most important thing. The most important thing is satisfaction. Satisfaction in your life, community, love, friendship, happiness, a sense of purpose. Like you enjoy what you do. That's so important for life.

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If you are just doing something you don't want to do just for money, you live in hell. And that's most people. Most people live in this like dull hell and they try to have fun while they're at work. They try to, you know, have people that they talk to at work. Hopefully you make some good friends at work and you can enjoy your chitter chatter at the water cooler.

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But the reality of that life is just mostly suck.

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That's a great definition.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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You're most likely going to be miserable. That's the cold hard reality of most CEOs. Most really wealthy people, when you see them pull up in the yacht, they're fucking living hell.

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It's not just performance enhancer. I think it changes the way you approach things. Have you ever taken it? No. No, I'm scared of speed. I'm scared of anything that I think I would really like.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Well, I was very lucky when I was in high school. I knew some people that had problems with it. Big warning sign. Yeah. Well, and back then I was very driven. I didn't even party, really. I only wanted to get good at martial arts. I was so driven that I didn't want to do anything that would interfere with anything else.

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Uh... There's probably a lot of factors. I mean, I got into it because I didn't want to get picked on because I didn't know how to fight. And I would be nervous around bullies. I didn't know what to do. And I'm like, I don't like this feeling at all. So I will become what everyone's afraid of. So I'll do that. And then when I got into it, I realized that...

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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First of all, I realized that I could get really good at things. I realized that whatever drive that I had and whatever thing about fighting, which was so scary to me, why it was so appealing to me at the same time, and I realized that it was like a vision quest. I was on this quest to try to figure out

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how to harness my potential and what better way than to do something that's very difficult and very scary. And then if you could get really good at something very difficult and very scary, you could probably master life.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Yes. Yeah. Proof that I wasn't a loser. For me, it was like that I could be successful.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Yeah. I'm sure it comes from broken home, moving around a lot, a lot of factors. There's a lot of various factors. But it's also just the existential angst of being a young man. They're looking for purpose. Who am I? What do I do? Am I good at anything? What gives me value? And for me, when I started doing martial arts, it was the first time that I was respected. And not just respected.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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I remember the first time I realized that people would gather around when I fought. I was like, whoa, this is kind of crazy. They specifically want to watch me fight. And that was a big deal to me, is that I was so good that people were gathering around. Really, it was they wanted to see something horrible. They wanted to see someone get head kicked. And they knew I did that a lot.

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Reliably, you could kick someone in the head. I was pretty good at it. And so that changed my self-reflection. It changed who I was. I wasn't a loser. Now I was an extreme winner and really good at it and super disciplined and driven beyond anything that I thought was possible before I'd done that. I never had that kind of focus before I got into martial arts.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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But martial arts demanded that kind of focus because you can't pretend. There's no pretending you're good. You have to be good. There's no pretending you're fast. You have to be fast. There's no pretending to be technical. You have to be perfect. Your technique has to be perfect because you're fighting against other trained killers.

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You're going to get hurt. And I saw so many people get hurt.

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Your fucking rainbow flag that you have on your t-shirt. Nobody gives a shit.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Right, right, right. And the way I looked at it and the way I was taught was that martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential. And that through the incredible struggle of training and competing, you will learn more about your ability to excel at anything. This is the Miyamoto Musashi path. And I think that

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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The problem with anything extreme but also fleeting and athletic performance is fleeting. If you're at the very best, you have a couple of decades at the very best. If you're really lucky, you have a couple of decades to define you as a competitor. But then your body will give out.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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your age will win the the beating that your body takes from all the training and all the competing eventually you're not going to be able to perform at that level anymore and you're going to fall off and you see it with fighters it's it's really hard with professional fighters where their whole identity is wrapped up in being a champion their whole identity is being the king of the hill and then they're no longer the king of the hill and sometimes it happens very rapidly

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Sometimes it happens over the course of just one or two fights. You go from being the pound for pound best in the world to a guy who nobody thinks is going to win the title again. Like that. So six months later, you're in a totally different reality. You're in a depressed reality. And then maybe you are physically depressed because maybe you got really hurt in your last fight.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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So you're probably suffering from some brain damage. So you've got endocrine disruption. Your pituitary gland's probably fucked. Your cortisol levels are through the roof. Your hormone levels are all fucked up. You might have a hard time losing weight. You're tired and depressed because your levels are all fucked up and your hormones because you basically got your brains beat in six months ago.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Yeah, and you see it sometimes with one fight. With a fighter, you see, like Tony Ferguson is my favorite example, who was the boogeyman, the lightweight division of the UFC for years, for years.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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He was the guy who was like this unstoppable force that had bottomless cardio, never stopped coming after you, and was just hell-bent on destruction and beat the fuck out of everybody, beat the fuck out of everybody for years until he fought Justin Gaethje. And Justin Gaethje beat him so bad, he was never the same again. He was never the same guy again.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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He went from being a favorite in the Justin Gaethje fight, I think he was a slight favorite going into that fight, to after the fight was over, he got stopped in the later rounds and never, never recovered.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Both. More physical than mental. Because I think Tony's mental, his fortitude is unstoppable. He's just got this mindset. But I don't think his body responded the way he looked.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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No, he's an animal. His mind is unstoppable. But at a certain point in time, particularly when you're being tested, right? So you're doing the USADA protocol, right? at the time, and now it's a drug-free sport. So there's no peptides. There's nothing that can aid you in recovery. You can't supplement your hormones. You can't recharge your hormone development.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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There's just so many things that you can't do because they are, in fact, performance enhancers that would help you recover. You know, if a guy like Tony Ferguson after that fight got on hormone replacement, got on testosterone, got his levels up pretty high, got to a point where he could train as hard, he probably wouldn't have had the slide that he had.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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I think part of the slide is that everybody has to be natural. And when you're natural and you get beat up a few times, you're not the same person anymore. And I've seen it many, many times. One bad beating and the guy's done. It's a big thing in boxing. In boxing, everybody points to Meldrick Taylor as one of the best examples. Fought Julio Cesar Chavez.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Oh, it's not my friend, it's Zawi Hawass. Zawi Hawass is the head of antiquities in Egypt. He's like the head guy that talks to the archeologists and gives the official narrative. In the past, He's been extremely hostile to Graham Hancock, but Graham Hancock and him have now become friends.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Chavez broke him down in the fight and then stopped him with like a couple seconds to go in the last round. Dropped him and the referee called the fight with a couple seconds to go in the last round. And Meldrick Taylor was never the same again.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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And he did interviews after the fight and the interviews after the fight, like a couple of years later, pronounced slurring in his words, a very clear deterioration of his reflexes and his speed, very clear deterioration in his ability to take a punch and even avoid punches. His reflexes were off.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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No, not really. I'm sure it made me impulsive. I probably got the right amount of brain damage to succeed in life. I think so because it made me not – I'm not very risk averse. I like risks. I enjoy them. I get a thrill out of taking chances. I'm not afraid to fail. I don't mind because I know that failure produces some of the best results.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Every time I've ever failed at anything, the humiliation and the pain of it has always forced me to work so much harder. Failure in comedy is a gigantic blessing. If you have one good bombing, it sucks like sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother. But when it's over, you realize that that can happen. You fucking tighten up your battleship.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Some of the biggest growth leaps that I've seen in comics and even in fighters is a humiliating loss.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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I think most of them you only learn by going through them. You learn something from watching other people's mistakes, which is why I've never done cocaine. But maybe if I did do cocaine, I would have been sober a long time ago and I would have had a much better understanding of the abyss.

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And then one day you're like, I'm going to throw all my money in crypto.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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And they're coordinating. Graham is a lovely guy. People that are enemies with him just need to get to know him and hang out with him. He's a genuine, real human being who's trying to find the truth. He doesn't have fake narratives.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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And he's so sensitive to like he's so upset like when when people smeared him like the Atlantis thing they were trying to say it's a white supremacist idea to look for Atlantis. It's like what are you talking about. Like what are you talking about. Like we had this guy Flint Dibble on who in an article and he was.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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He's very wise.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Very wise person. Although he did tell me that if he could invest more money in Clubhouse, he would have. We were talking on the phone. I was like, dude, I think this is just bad podcasting. I don't think there's – but Clubhouse took off during the pandemic because people found themselves at home. And, you know, it's kind of cool to be able to hop onto a call with a bunch of other people.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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And you're basically sharing ideas with people you've never met before and intellectually sparring. And people loved it. But I was like, bro.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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I did it with Tim Dillon. We did an episode once. And he was like, yeah, it goes out there. And then, you know, no one ever has it. I go, bullshit. People are recording this right now. I go, it's going to be online. And it was online immediately. Immediately. I go, this is nonsense.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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I wonder if it is the... But it depends on the circles you're keeping, too. Because if you're keeping circles that are valuing those items that show you've achieved milestones, there's a bunch of people. You don't have a Maybach? Yeah. Keeping up with the Joneses is a hell of a fucking joke.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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talking about Graham and he's connecting Graham to white supremacy and all this crazy shit because of the Atlantis theory. It's the way they dismiss it.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Fuck yeah. What kind of laws do they have in Antarctica?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Yeah. And it's also... It's very beneficial for the people that are listening, which is another service that it provides. Like you get to be you. Like the person listening to your podcast gets to be you as you interview these spectacular people. So they get to like, oh, yeah, why? Why? Why did you do that? And then you say, why did you do that? I'm like, yeah, good question.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Carl snores a lot. He's chilling. Okay, he's a sound risk. Sometimes he gets a little loud. And while the podcast is going on, you hear, like, nudge him. Roll him over. Make him shut up. Yeah, I am. It depends on who I'm talking to.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Because some people in the past, some people in the past who have theorized about Atlantis had white supremacist ideas. But also, most people didn't. Like, Plato didn't. Like, the people that talked about this place, it's in sub-Saharan Africa. I mean, it's like the least white supremacist discovery of all time, as are the pyramids. This is Africa.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Like, if I'm talking to, like, a theoretical physicist and there's, like, some very difficult thing to grasp and you hear Carl snoring, it becomes a little bit of an issue. If it's coming through the headphones. Goddamn.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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he's loud sleep train sleep train that dog no you can't he's gotten older he can handle it he needs a CPAP doggy CPAP fuck have you seen what their faces look like when the skulls French Bulldog skulls no it's horrible what they've done to them through selective breeding yeah just slowly slowly they just shove their fucking skull it's all twisted where their sinuses are like non-existent their whole face is just smushed in so we can't really complain about the snoring

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Well, I mean, we did it to them.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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They used to be a wolf.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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It's the least white supremacist notion of all time that this incredibly advanced ancient civilization had reached some sort of proficiency that's above and beyond what we attribute to them. I think Graham is right. And I think there's a lot of other people that are right, too, that are chasing this down.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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And Christopher Dunn had long ago theorized and wrote a book that he believes that the Great Pyramid of Giza is a gigantic power plant.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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It's amazing what was accomplished on amphetamines. I mean, Norman Ohler's book, Blitz.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Yeah, incredible. It's just an incredible story that they literally went through Poland in three days, just methed out of their fucking minds. And the most meth was given to the people at the very front, the people that drive in the tanks, They were the most cranked up. Because they'll drive the rest of the group forward.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Yeah, and also they have to be the most psychotic because you're going to be the first people to encounter resistance.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Least risk-averse, the most maniacal and murderous.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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He thinks it generates power, and he has a very, like a working theory of why it's built the way it's built that totally coincides with the ability to produce hydrogen, the ability to utilize the rays of space and try to find some way to generate electricity through this.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Everything.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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A lot of it had to do with that. It had to. I mean, it had to. It's a factor. It's a giant factor. Just how much of it? What would have been like? What would the wars have been like were there no meth? I mean, that's probably the first amphetamine-fueled war, right? Was World War I fueled by amphetamines? Did they have amphetamines back then?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Well, they know that meth was given to the kamikaze soldiers, which makes sense. I mean, what... It's a great way to it's just gonna fly that plane right into that boat. You're like what a great time sure Yeah, no, I'm gonna fly to a fucking island and hide During World War one militaries use cocaine and other drugs for medicinal purposes and to enhance performance so cocaine

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

7698.114

The British Army sold cocaine-containing pills under the brand name Forced March.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Increased endurance, suppressed appetite. 1960 British Army Council banned the unauthorized sale of psychoactive drugs. I wonder why they did that. They didn't want to win?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

7717.615

Wow, that's pretty crazy.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Is that what they give to fighter pilots? Yeah, they give them something. British Army's pill number nine. What's that? Pill number nine was just a strong laxative. This is AI. Lies. What was in there? Specific medication used by British Army during World War I. Primary ingredient, pill number nine, was Colomel.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Mercurious chloride, a mercury-based compound used to treat intestinal infections and other ailments. Oh, okay. Just massive diarrhea pills.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Yeah, I don't think it is.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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It seems like the cocaine would be more effective.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

7809.061

That's a really good question. I'd have to really think about it. Also, I don't know anybody's number.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Yeah, he would help you a lot.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Yeah, dirty deeds done dirt cheap.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

7843.936

Yeah, probably.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Yeah, I don't know, man. That's got to be the worst place to be in the world. Foreign prison with no way to call somebody. You know, this is the criticism about these illegal aliens that have been shipped off to, what is it, El Salvador? Is it El Salvador that they have the super prisons?

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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They essentially got all the gang members off the streets and locked them up and dropped crime radically, dropped violence radically. They essentially said, enough of this. We're just going to go after all these gang members and lock them all up. And the criticism about these deportees That we're sending people over there. We're sending plane loads of people over there.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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What if you're in that group and you're not guilty of anything? What if you're just a guy who came over here from Mexico and you're a tattoo artist? U.S. deports 250 alleged gang members to El Salvador despite court ruling to halt flights. Yeah, there's a court ruling to halt the flights. But here's the thing.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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If they are gang members, if they are Tren de Aragua or those gang members that took over. MS-13. Yeah. If that's real, then this all makes sense. But the fear is that there's going to be certain people that are rounded up in this that are not guilty.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Right. And then these poor people are going to be trapped in this El Salvador prison and no one's going to believe them that they're innocent.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Yeah, it's just incarceration, and there's probably a financial incentive. We probably pay them to house these prisoners. But the question is, are we sure? Like, how many of these people are being accused of being gang members because maybe they tattoo gang members? You know, maybe they were caught up in a raid and maybe they are friends of gang members.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Maybe there's an artist who happens to be an illegal or maybe there are someone who's working on a construction site and they get rounded up and they get shipped over there. That's a legitimate question. When you're arresting people and prosecuting people and your goal is to arrest people and prosecute people, you do your best at that.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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And the question is, how many people get arrested and prosecuted that are innocent? Well, in the real world, what we know is quite a few. I mean, I do a lot of podcasts with my good friend Josh Dubin, who's spent a considerable amount of his life helping innocent people get out of jail. That's his main thing that he does is work with unjustly prosecuted people.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

801.739

It's gross. It's beyond lazy. It's not lazy. It's really cheap. It's like they're cheap insults. And it's also from academia, which is so disappointing. I mean academia has been so captured by this mind virus of leftism that it's just – it's so bizarre to watch the brightest minds and the people that we lean on for rational, reasonable thinking and – an objective understanding of the world.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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And you find the levels of corruption to be horrific. The prosecutors, DAs, the amount of corrupt judges, it's shocking. It's shocking when you lay the facts of these cases out, like the Ohio 4, these people that were in jail, proven that one of them could not have possibly been there when the crime was committed and still was in there for 30 years.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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The actual guy who is the informant came out and said that he was told to say all these things. It's all lies. Then was told when they were going to bring it to trial again, you will be arrested for telling lies now. you will either be arrested, you will either be arrested because you're lying now, or you'll be arrested for telling lies previously.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

8081.638

Right, right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. And then there's the game aspect of it. The game aspect of it is victory, right? If you're a prosecutor, your job is to arrest people and prosecute them and convict them. That's your job. That's what your self-worth, who you are as a prosecutor, your reputation is based on success.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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It's the same with cops, unfortunately. A lot of cops, their whole thing is making arrests.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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It's unbelievably hard. It's also very hard to get people that are good people to sign up for it now because they don't want that abuse. I wonder if that's been reversed.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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the last few years i mean i mean i bet it has in certain jurisdictions in certain areas where they've valued cops and you know this whole defund the police thing was just so wild it was so crazy to see that people would think that that would be a good idea and they didn't even to espouse it publicly to erode public confidence in law enforcement just writ large

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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It had the opposite effect. Crime escalated and the people that lived in the communities wanted the cops back.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

8241.914

Yeah, and it's also a thing that the political establishment will use as a tool to align you with them. People will say it, like Kamala Harris in 2019 was saying, I mean defund the police, we should defund the police, which is just crazy to say. You need to fund them more, train them better.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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you know the they need training the way military groups need training constantly consistently and you know they're encountering horrific things i mean my friends who have been cops and you know and have served overseas they'll tell you most of them will tell you that they suffered more ptsd as cops than they had even in the military yeah depending upon your service depending on what you had to do but a lot of them it's just like every day you're seeing some nightmarish situation

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Horrific violence, domestic violence, child abuse, murdered kids. You're seeing so much horror. And then your version of reality is based on your experiences. Your experiences are horrific every day.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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We lean on the experts. And when they're calling someone a white supremacist for talking about an advanced society that lived in Africa.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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I wouldn't even ever guess that I could pull it off. I wouldn't even guess. I don't think anybody even understands what that even means unless you've shown up and seen some guy's brains blown out all over the curb for nothing, for some stupid argument about nothing. When you've seen some woman get shot in front of her kid by the husband, you have no idea. No one has any idea.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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You don't know unless you experience it. And then you have to go home to your own children, go home to your own wife, and your brain is on fire. Your soul is just in agony. We were watching a video the other day of this guy who had to shoot this guy, this cop. This guy was, something was wrong. It was clearly mentally unstable, was yelling, was, you know, telling everybody what he was going to do.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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They tased him. That didn't work. Then he's charging at this cop and the cop shoots him. And then the cop's sobbing and shaking and his partner's telling him to breathe, how to breathe. And he's just probably the first person he ever had to kill. It's horrible. It's horrible. And that's that's he succeeded. He's he stopped a threat and he you know, it was justified.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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This person was trying to kill him. What about pulling people over and the windows are all tinted? And they won't roll down the windows. You're standing there vulnerable. It could be a shotgun inches away from your face and you have no idea. And they've all seen all these videos where people get gunned down. You pull people over, all of a sudden the back window explodes with machine gun fire.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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I mean, they live with that every day. They live with that fear every day. And then they have to hear this rhetoric everywhere of defund the police and calling cops pigs. And it's crazy. It's crazy and it ultimately destroys the fabric of our society. And there's plenty of evidence that cops have done bad things. It's not excusing the bad cops.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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There's bad plumbers, there's bad car mechanics, there's bad everything. And there's people that shouldn't be cops. And when you see a video of someone who shouldn't be cop, Shouldn't be a cop and is, you know, on their last nerve and snaps at someone or overreacts at someone or brutalizes someone totally unnecessarily.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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It gives you a very distorted perception of the average encounter that a person has with police officers. Because most of the interactions that people have with police officers are fine. Most of them. The vast majority. No one gets hurt. No one goes to jail. Most of them. But you see the ones that go sideways and then you think, this is what cops are doing. They're out there trying to kill people.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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And then it gets used as a political tool.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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I don't know. Tim Walz is out there talking again. You say he could fight any Trump supporter? Yeah, he says he'd kick their ass and they're scared of him because he could fix a truck. They're threatened by his masculinity. I know how to fix a truck. That's what he said. I'm like... Do you? I bet you don't.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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I bet if I bring a broken truck to you and a bag of tools, you're fucked.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

8549.695

Yeah, it's so crazy. I think they're lost. I mean, they're also lost in that they can't control the narrative anymore. I think when they had control of Twitter and they had control of essentially all of social media and pre-Trump, they had the reins firmly held. They were in control of the public narrative. If you strayed from that, you will be kicked off social media.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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You'll be banned from YouTube. And for things that were factually correct. Like the lab leak theory is now finally being embraced by the New York Times. The New York Times, I don't know if you saw that article the other day. They said we were misled.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

8590.995

There was a big op-ed in the New York Times that has people up in arms because they're like, fucking duh. Do you know where it is? I could send it to you. I saved it because it's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. I was like, what are you saying? How are you saying that? It was you guys. It wasn't just some random people that did that. Do you find it anywhere, Jamie? No. I know I saved it.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

8619.918

Which one was it called? It was the New York Times saying that we were misled. There was a big op-ed in the New York Times.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

8631.889

Yeah, I read it. I read it for the first couple chapters, but it's all duh. The whole thing is just fucking duh. God, where did I save it? I saved too many things. I'm a hoarder.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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I'm a digital hoarder.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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We were badly misled about the event that changed our lives. Who are you badly misled by? Do you think you guys had a factor in that? Since scientists began playing around with dangerous pathogens in laboratories, the world has experienced four or five pandemics, depending on how you count. One of them, the 1977 Russian flu, almost certainly sparked by a research mishap.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Some Western scientists quickly suspected the odd virus had resided in a lab freezer for a couple of decades, but they kept mostly quiet for fear of ruffling feathers. Yet in 2020, when people... started speculating that a lab accident might have been the spark that started the COVID-19 pandemic. They were treated like kooks and cranks in this newspaper.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

87.734

Oh.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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Many public health officials and prominent... By the way, not by this person. I'm not blaming this person. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory. I wonder why they did that. I wonder if there's an email paper trail that's already been established. There is. Insisting that a virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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And when a nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance lost a great grant... Well, lost a grant because it was planning to conduct risky research into bat viruses with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Research that, if conducted with lax safety standards, could have resulted in a dangerous pathogen leaking out into the world.

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#2293 - Chris Williamson

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No fewer than 77 Nobel laureates and 31 scientific societies lined up to defend the organization. Yeah, they defend themselves. I mean, it's appeal to authority. And they fucked us. And you guys were a part of it, by the way. That newspaper was a big part of it. Big part of calling the lab leak theory racist, which was really kooky.

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Well, I think in this case, you have an individual journalist who wrote this story. I do not know the history of this individual journalist, but what they said is accurate and important. So it's good that the New York Times has this... Come to Jesus moment where they lay out. Hey the conspiracy theories were all true That's what the title should be the conspiracy theories were all true.

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Yeah, the shot wasn't effective Yeah, there were therapeutics that were available that were dismissed and that bad studies were created in order to make sure that people weren't taking these drugs because we needed the emergency use authorization and the only way you can get that is if you have no treatment and So you had to rely on one thing. And that one thing was the vaccine.

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And they all participated in it.

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Well, I think it's going to encourage independent education. I think you're going to encourage people like University of Austin, which is they're aiming to do just that and to kind of bypass all this nonsense and just teach people reality. And I also think that it's most likely – I mean, I don't even want to say most likely.

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Most of it's blowing with the wind. It's the society. Society has decided we're done. This was Trump getting elected. This was Elon buying Twitter. This was – and this is the blowback that you're seeing, these organized protests and vandalism on Tesla dealerships and – They're encouraging people. There's so many videos of people just smashing Teslas, carving swastikas into the side of Teslas.

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Because sentry mode, these cars all have sentry mode. So you could leave your Tesla parked and it has HD video of everything that's happening all around it.

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Yeah, you can watch it. That's why all these videos are out. All these videos are out as people extracted them from their cars.

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Yeah, and there's tons of people that have been arrested for this now. Tons of people.

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Yeah, but it's funded. That's what's crazy. And it's all because what Elon is doing with USAID and what he's doing with Doge, the Department of Government Efficiency is finding a lot of inefficiency waste and fraud. Most of it he believes is waste. Some of it is fraud. And there's a lot of money that's going in directions it shouldn't be going.

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And then there's stuff that's legal that probably shouldn't be legal, like non-government organizations doing the bidding of the government because they're funded by the government. There's certain things the government is not allowed to do, but a non-government organization, an NGO, can do.

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Well, regime change, like a lot of what this money is going to, it goes to foreign countries where we have an interest in having the people that are running that country on our side, or we don't like them and we want to fund the rebels. And so you can fund the people, you can fund them through all sorts of organizations where you hide and mask the money.

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And you move it around and you have essentially blank checks. And you can just funnel billions of dollars all over the world with no accounting.

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Oh, my God. I mean, he talked about it on this podcast before Doge and before USAID. And everybody's like, oh, conspiracy theorists and this and that. And this guy, so he used to work for the State Department. What the fuck does he know? Apparently he knows everything. He knows all of it, and he can spit it out. His recall is incredible.

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And, you know, that guy's got to be fucking terrified because he's out there exposing. He's essentially the guy who led Elon to the coffin where the vampire sleeps. Like, this is where it is.

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Yes. Whistleblower and investigative journalists. Yeah. I mean, this is why Julian Assange spent so much time in jail.

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It's most certainly influenced by other countries that want to degrade our ability to develop meaningful minds that come out of universities, like intelligent, useful people. Distract them with social justice. Not just distract them, but destroy society with them. It's Yuri Bezmenov's prediction from 1984.

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Yeah, we reached out, but he doesn't really want to talk to anybody right now, which is totally understandable. He's got an open invitation. If he ever just says, okay, I'd like to talk, whenever. Yeah, I'd love to sit down and talk to him. I'd love to find the real story because the narrative and the –

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Did he bring flat earthers? Is that the deal?

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The documentary, the docudrama that was made about the Silk Road and what he did, I'd like to know how much of that is bullshit. Because I think a lot of it probably was. I think they were trying to set him up, for sure. And I think there's probably some things that he was accused of that aren't accurate. I'd like to know.

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I wonder. I wonder what would be.

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Well, your time is so valuable. And how do you have five extra hours a day? Well, look at your screen time. It'll say five hours.

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It's like you could pass that off as a ridiculous conspiracy theory if it wasn't totally accurate. It's like- It's amazing how people don't want to believe that maybe there's been subversion and that maybe our universities have been overrun for years with both funding, which we know is true, particularly from China. China funds a lot of American universities. They give a lot of grants.

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Well, it's technological advance, right? Technological advance is so much greater and faster than biological advance. This is the scariest thing that leads us down the road to AI is that as we are so limited in our biological ability to evolve, biological evolution takes so long. Cultural evolution takes so long. Whereas technological evolution is almost instantaneous.

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And we are being overrun by this thing that's captivated our attention. I was talking about this the other day. I was like, imagine if there was a drug that made you stare at your hand for six hours a day. He'd be like, keep me the fuck away from that drug. But that's what your phone's doing. Mostly you're getting nothing. Occasionally you get a funny meme.

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You know, if I looked at the amount of time that I spend online on a given day and how much of it is really fascinating to me. Well, every now and then you get a story like that story about the whole universe might be inside of a black hole. And then I'm on a rabbit hole.

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There's a few things you'll get. But I kind of feel like you will get those if you're offline just by other people being online. They'll send it to you. You're almost better off.

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Exactly. Your resources are better utilized by not doing that.

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All those people just sitting there staring.

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They spend a lot of money. And this was a part of the whole thing with – George W., or not George W., excuse me, with Joe Biden's bizarre job that he had where he was a professor that he never showed up for classes and he was teaching and he got a large salary.

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Well, that's like when social media kicked off. In the beginning, no one was on it. You'd see it. It's like most people weren't even on Twitter. They're like, why would I be on that? And, you know, people were using it to promote things, and then they started using it to elevate their profile, and then people became influencers.

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And once people became influencers, and once people, like a regular person, get a couple of million followers, then all of a sudden you get sponsors, and that's your job now? Notoriety, respect. Yeah, and fame. I remember when I was living in L.A., it was right around the time that a lot of these, God, what was it back then? What was the thing that was like, it wasn't TikTok. Vine?

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Yeah, it was Vine. Vine influencers were the first. And they were famous. So they'd go to restaurants and be like, that's blah, blah, blah. Like, who's that? Like, oh, he's got 35 million Vine subscribers. Like, what? It was bizarre because you're seeing just regular people that would do antics or cause scenes or do something to get attention. And they developed large followings.

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Yeah.

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well they all watch them they all watch people eat food and open up toys and it's like very weird it's very weird stuff because no one would have ever predicted that that would be something would captivate people's attention on a television right there was no unboxing shows on television but yet unboxing shows on the internet are huge like people get sucked into the most mundane thing someone opening a package oh look at this here's the new phone

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But he also does a comprehensive analysis of the tech.

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No, he's doing a review of state of the art. Where is technology currently and what's the best version?

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He got a mob no-show job teaching.

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Yeah, as a professor. And I think he got a million dollars a year to just do nothing.

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He doesn't know what's going on. Well, he might auto-sign the legal papers.

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And it seemed like there was something going on with that. And it might be because he...

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fucking fried his brain to the point where he was connecting with you know all kinds of energy that wasn't even there you know he might have been out he was out there he was out there but the combination I wonder if they smoke crack together I wonder if they smoke crack together yeah he probably made George smoke it yeah there's famous Otto crack stories he was that guy was gone but he was also brilliant really funny man fucking funny and we in a comics comic like we would all sit in the back of the room to watch when he was on stage

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But so there's a lot of those guys that are like real genius, but they're real eccentric. And for whatever reason, the general public doesn't find out about them. There's not like a good vehicle, at least back then there wasn't, for them to get out to the general public. Like today, I would say an example of that is like Brian Holtzman. Yes. Right? Like Brian Holtzman, we've known forever.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

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He's always been a guy we all watched. He was always the guy that at the end of the night, especially if something fucked up happened, like there was a plane crash, like someone got eaten by a lion.

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You have to see him say it. I don't think we're doing it justice.

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My favorite one was when Susan Smith got arrested for drowning her kids. He goes, I heard those were bad kids. I heard they sat that close to the TV. They didn't put away their blocks. Those kids will not be missed. The fun thing about Brian is if you know him, like in real life, he's like the sweetest guy on earth.

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He's such a sweetheart of a guy, like super friendly to everybody, loves everybody. Like he doesn't even have an enemy. Like Brian Holtzman has no enemies. He's always sweet and friendly. And then he gets on stage and it's like he becomes like his version of George.

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Oh, wow.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah, similar.

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In a non-Mexican way?

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Bro, it's rough out in those streets.

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Yeah, well, they all had crazy hair. Everybody lost their mind in the 80s.

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You have to see him say it. He starts screaming and shit. But it's also like he's playing this bizarre, psychotic character that only comes out when he's on stage. He's the most different when he's on stage.

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He always had a job.

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That was the problem. He never hit the road. He stuck around the store. I was saying there's not a path for those guys. Nobody wanted Brian Holtzman to open for them. That's too weird. No. He belonged at the store. And now he's found a crowd at the Mothership. His shows at the Mothership, they're all sold out. He's hilarious. People come to see him. And he didn't have a path before.

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Yeah, they all lost their mind back then. Because from the 70s to the 80s, nobody knew how to dress. They did crazy shit with their hair.

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It was like there was like, you know, he's too weird to put on a television show. It's like you really want to be in the room. That's what it is. Yeah. If anybody is way funnier in the room, it's Brian Holtzman. The discomfort, the weirdness, and the way he works around it when you're in the room is so fun. And every show is different. Every show is different.

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And he's always talking about new things. It's really like he channels this fucking character. It's like he should be two different people. He should be Brian Holtzman, the super nice guy, and then whatever the fuck his name is when he's on stage. It's almost like he needs a second name. Mitzi should have done that a long time ago. Mitzi used to call Joey Fat Baby. Do you remember those days?

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Yeah. Someone has one of the lineups that they got from Jeff Scott on the lineup. It's got everybody's name, and then 15 minutes, and then it says Fat Baby. Fat Baby. She wanted him to be called Fat Baby.

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Can't listen to any of them.

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Oh, boy.

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Yeah, they would all tease their hair out. It was crazy. It was like a big hair thing. I think it was when people started doing cocaine. That's what I think. I think it was the 80s. It was Miami Vice and cocaine. Everybody lost their mind. They lost their fashion sense. People started to wear wacky clothes. Cars started looking like shit. Yeah, man. The Saab. Pinto.

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He had some terrible advice. I think he was giving this advice to Todd Parker, who was telling him, it was either Todd Parker or Robbie Prince, two guys that I knew from Boston. One of them was telling him, I think it's Todd, you've got to be Generation X guy. This is what you're going to be, buddy. You're going to be Generation X guy. So from Generation X, this is how I see the world, buddy.

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Yeah. Everything was as a Generation X guy. And he was like, that's the worst advice I've ever heard in my life. Why would I do that? But people would have schemes for you. But the thing is, they're just trying to help. Yeah. But no one knows how to do it other than you, and you've got to figure it out. No one can tell you.

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Like who would have told Mitch Hedberg, wear sunglasses and sometimes turn your back to the crowd?

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No one. Mitch Hedberg would be killing with his back to the crowd high on heroin. All non sequiturs for like an hour and a half. They have stage fright? He was just crazy. You worked with him? You met him? I met him. I didn't know him well, but I knew him enough that it was a bummer. When he died, I remember I was with Stan Hope. We were filming something, and we found out that he had gangrene.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

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He got admitted to a hospital. He had gangrene. You're like, yo, gangrene fucking kills people. This is fucking scary. And he just had a problem. He just liked that heroin. And he didn't want to stop. People wanted to clean him up. He did not want to get cleaned up. He was like, I am not interested.

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Dude, it doesn't seem like anybody has a great old time with the rest of their life once they start doing heroin. It's like cocaine. It's the same thing. I think there's probably moments of brilliance that have come out of heroin, though. I definitely do when I think about 1960s music.

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I think heroin and LSD affected a lot of rock and roll in the 1960s and cannabis for sure, too, and probably mushrooms. But, you know, the thing that it always kills you, like everybody always it always ruins everything. They all died young. Everybody like put Morrison, 27, Hendrix, 27. Although there is a wild conspiracy about Hendrix.

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Yeah.

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That he was killed by his manager. The conspiracy... There was one of his bodyguards, right? Is that what it was, Jamie, that wrote this book? How did he die? I think he died of his asphyxiation from throwing up, which is one thing that can happen to people that are doing drugs. But the bodyguard... I believe this. Don't hold me to this.

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But I believe the story was Hendrix was going to leave his manager. His manager was mobbed up. His manager was like a scary guy. And his manager is making a lot of money with Hendrix. Hendrix is trying to leave. And he's got the rights to the Hendrix catalog and he kills Hendrix. So his former roadie.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

168.08

Bro, cars just started looking like shit. I mean, if you want an objective analysis of what happens to a society when they remove marijuana and mushrooms and then they bring in cocaine, it's like, hey, you know what?

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So the thing that's compelling about this is shortly after this, his girlfriend committed suicide, air quotes, by being thrown off a roof. So they got rid of Hendrix and they got rid of his girlfriend, if that's what really happened. So he was the benefactor, allegedly, of the guitarist's $2 million life insurance policy. $2 million. $2 million. Okay, worth around $1.2 million in 1970.

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It was like five years ago or something.

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According to Wright, Jeffrey told him about the crime in 1971, a year after the 27-year-old Hendricks was found dead in a London hotel. He said, I had to do it, Tappy. Wright claims the manager said, you understand, don't you? I had to do it. You know damn well what I'm talking about.

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We went round to his hotel room, got a handful of pills, stuffed them into his mouth, then poured a few bottles of red wine deep into his windpipe. Hendricks is found dead at the Samarkand Hotel on 18th of September, 1970. The cause of death was recorded as barbiturate intoxication and inhalation of vomit. I can still hear the conversation, Wright wrote of Jeffrey's confession.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

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See the man I'd known for so much of my life, his face pale, hand clutching at his glass in sudden rage. Hendricks' manager died in a plane crash in 73. So this guy's dead, supposedly did this. Listen, man, they did that back then. They were gangsters. There was gangsters running everything. If there was a lot of money to be made, scary people moved in, and it became a real problem.

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Uh-huh, yeah.

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Because we were Fiesta yesterday. But cocaine brought us Sam Kinison, too, though. Cocaine's done some good. You think he did a lot, a lot, a lot? No, no. I think it's terrible for everybody who does it. But I do think that there's moments of inspired creativity from all kinds of substances, especially that rock and roll cocaine that they used to get, where it was just real, pure cocaine.

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But if you want to talk about something like that, like would a manager kill a client for a life insurance policy back then? Yeah. They didn't even have DNA back then, man.

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The Colonel spread that.

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The Colonel was an evil dude, man.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

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By the way, that Tom Hanks performance is fucking fantastic. In that Elvis movie where he plays the colonel? Yeah. When you see it, you appreciate how a guy can really become a different person. He becomes this creepy manager guy, this manipulative, gambling, creepy manager guy. I mean, he's a fucking genius, man. It's so good. That's what's crazy. You forget that's Tom Hanks. You're like, oh.

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But you really got a sense of the relationship that Elvis had with this dude. Look, there's famous, and then there's Elvis famous in the 1960s, and you don't even understand what that means. No one understands what that means. And he was the first one to be like that. Imagine that.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

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Just imagine just trying to navigate life as a human being and you're literally the most desired person to be around a lot. Like you can't walk down the street. People scream and they cheer and they run at you. Women faint. They cry. And there's never been someone like that before.

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1996.162

That's what's crazy because this is the first time you've seen a guy on television and he's on television shaking his hips. And so they go crazy.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2006.306

No. No, you never had a pop star on TV shaking his hips like he's fucking... Yeah.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2015.617

I think they did something where they were upset at him because they didn't know he was going to do it. I think he was actually going to get fined in some places. You weren't allowed to shake your hips like that. This is how crazy being Elvis was.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2051.689

And there was no Elvis before Elvis. That's what's crazy. So he's like this one guy that becomes way more famous than any entertainer ever. And then he's got an evil manager. And then he's doing pills. And then he's just living in paranoia. And the whole world don't make any sense. Nothing makes any sense. It can't make any sense. You have no peers. You have no one around you that's like you.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

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No one around you that can understand you. And you're being protected by some guy who's like siphoning money from you.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

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Well, I think he got into a financial bind, right? Wasn't that a part of the movie? And then he got that Vegas residency. Bro, the Vegas residency is probably convenient because you don't have to go anywhere. You know where you live. You know where the gig is. Like, Carrot Top seems to like it, but I don't think I could do that.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

210.802

It wasn't stepped on. It didn't have amphetamines and fentanyl in it and all kinds of other shit.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

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Oh, yeah. But even, like, comics can do it. A lot of comics do it. You know? I just don't know about living in Vegas.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

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The people that live outside of Vegas love it, though. If you live in Henderson or some of those places, they're very, very nice places. But you're still connected to this place where people go to get psychotic. There's some weird energy about that. Listen, this is not a knock on Vegas. I love Vegas. Look, I love New York City. Ari fucking loves living in New York City.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

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I can't live in New York City. I can't handle all that. I got to get the fuck away. Some people love it. Everybody can love everything, but it just seems like... Vegas is a uniquely crazy place. People go there specifically like, we're going to go to Vegas. It's in the title of the state means craziness.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

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It's every day. And then you got rodeos coming into town and UFC fights coming into town and fucking concerts. Raider fans. It's a fucking wild-ass town. I love being there. I just don't know if I could live there. It seems like it's almost a little too crazy.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

218.307

And I should say this as a person who's never tried cocaine. Never? Never. Don't be lying. No, I would not lie. Never? No, never. No, I got real lucky. When I was in high school, I had a buddy of mine and his cousin started selling it. And he was a great guy. And I watched this dude kind of like shrink into himself and lost a ton of weight.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2198.635

That's a lot, Jamie. What do you mean, that's all he was doing? That's offensive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2211.548

It's so crazy. Bro, look, his big old dick keeps slapping at his jacket. That's what it is. Look, if you see that side, back it up a little bit. That's what the problem is, Jamie. Look at that jacket popping up and down from his big old Elvis dick.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2242.274

What a kid, man. Whoa. Huh? How can you manage that? How can you navigate that at 21 years old? I know, man. It's him and Michael Jackson. These are the two case studies and people that got too famous.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2265.373

You wouldn't. You would go crazy, bro. How about you? Crazy. I would have gone crazy. I would have been sitting with a big fucking cold sore. Yeah, dude. I got lucky. My fame ascent was a slow drip, you know, like over time.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2277.842

It was a slow drip.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2296.204

El Compadres is a spot. 64 years ago today, more than 60 million people watched Elvis Presley perform on the Ed Sullivan Show. Oh, wow. 60 million. That's so crazy. But that's how it used to be, man. And that's why losing control of that is so devastating to mainstream media. That was what it was. When I was a kid, there was three channels, dude. There was NBC, ABC, and CBS, and that was it.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2322.379

And then all of a sudden there was Fox, and we were crazy. The Jets.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2327.643

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We definitely did. Especially, yeah, everyone has local channels. So you always had, like, the local NBC network.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2337.208

Yeah, we didn't even have cable. Like, it didn't exist. You have to realize how nuts the world was when everything you watched on television was just television. That's all you ever saw. There's no cable. So you have four channels. You felt so lucky to have that fourth channel. You got The Simpsons, Married With Children came on that channel.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2357.383

Fox changed the whole In Living Color, changed the whole feeling of what a channel was. It's crazy that Fox is now connected to... to like conservative Republicans reporting the news. But it's like Fox when we were kids was married with children. It was, you know, it was like the Renegade shows. It was the Simpsons. It was, you know, there was a bunch of like fun shows that were on Fox.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

237.446

And him and his girlfriend, they had this attic apartment. And they would just hang out and do coke and sell coke. And they would just watch TV and do coke. Wow. It was like they got bit by a vampire, man.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2383.988

Yeah, but In Living Color to this day, I say, is one of, there's two of the greatest comedy, like Saturday Night Live always gets it for longevity because it's crazy they've been around so long.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2394.835

But for like pure funny, for me, it's like In Living Color and Chappelle's Show.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2400.938

And I feel like you don't get Chappelle's Show unless you have In Living Color first. I feel like In Living Color broke open the door for chaotic sketches that were, like, really funny, man. Wildly offensive. Really funny. To this day.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2418.223

Like, there's a lot of shit on In Living Color that if you tried to do, like, in the height of wokeness, like, three or four years ago, bro, they would fucking call for your censorship.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2429.685

They will come for you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2437.691

They gave it two snaps.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2458.46

Yeah, a handicapped superhero. It was... And he made a superhero movie about him, Handyman. He would fly like this. Yeah. Dude, this show was wild. Hilarious. Wildly offensive, but so funny. Even Fire Marshal Bill, bro, he's making fun of a fire victim. I was just going to bring that up.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2483.221

That guy's fucking whole face is burned off. Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2491.112

That's harsh, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2492.654

Yeah. It's wild that shows like that. That one, bro. Ahead of its time. Oh, way ahead. Well, so was that other movie. We were just talking about that. Ace Ventura. Ace Ventura. Yeah. Yes. When you find out that she's a trans person and the dick comes out and everybody starts throwing up. First of all, I don't buy it. Even if she hadn't turned to that photo again. That's Sean Young, right?

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2523.462

That's Sean Young, yeah. Yeah, when she was hot. So even if she had a dick, there's a lot of guys who would be like, listen, nobody needs to know about that dick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2532.128

That dick is between you and me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2540.074

Dude. Skin tag. Skin tag. Ooh, yeah, all those shows, like, I mean, what are the other great sketch shows? Mad TV had some bangers. Mad TV. There were some bangers on Mad TV. But it's another show that's like- Second City TV, I watched that growing up. Kids in the Hall. Kids in the Hall. Kids in the Hall. Kids in the Hall was fantastic. That was great.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2564.715

I was a Kids in the Hall fan, but I didn't really start watching it, really get into it until after I'd met Dave. I didn't know much about Kids in the Hall. I knew it was funny. I knew everybody said it was funny, but I don't think I'd ever even watched a sketch of then I became friends with Dave doing news radio and Then I started really getting into it.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2584.327

I was like, oh That guy had a very neat or still does have a very very unique sense of humor. He rewrote like I Don't know what percentage 40% of like the lines on news radio like on the set Yeah rewrites things all the time and he was always like coming up with a better way to do something it always had like a sense of like a pacing and

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

26.447

That's what I miss most about the store is, you know, traveling dudes. We'd meet up. We'd meet up at the home base.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2608.677

that's a totally different thing man when you're making sketches like sketches like to be able to do that and do a lot of like really funny scenarios that are unique that's a very it's hard right the stand up because we want to end it huh Well, it's a totally different way of thinking. You know, Gillian Keyes is another fantastic one that did that to this day.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2629.697

Like the problem with that show is like it's got this amazing fan core fan base, but it doesn't. It's way funnier than the amount of people that have seen it. It's way funnier, which is crazy because Shane Gillis is one of the biggest comics in the world.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2646.828

He's one of the biggest comics on earth. He's selling out arenas everywhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2650.472

But yet people don't realize how good Gillian Keys is. It's like there's a one where they do the OnlyFans dad. It's one of the hardest I've ever laughed in my fucking life. It's so funny. It's so funny and so crazy. And because no one's telling them what to do, they're just doing what's funny. And that's what got fucked up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2670.708

There were so many fucking nannies around everybody telling everybody what you can and can't say and so many subjects you can and can't cover. You got to stay out of the way, just like the managers in the early days were telling you, Felipe, you need braids. Braids, bro, with beads. And you talk about the beads when you're on stage. You're like, what?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2691.577

Get out of here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2705.416

Suits are a weird move, but they're sometimes fun. I've worn suits on stage before. It makes you feel different. It does.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2715.668

No, you just feel like you're more of a motherfucking professional. Bitch. Look at this. And a well-tailored suit is what you really want. The kind, like modern suits.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2727.1

you can move in them like they have like stretch to them which is different than you know when I was a kid I thought of suits I thought of like you're handcuffed like you can't move good like you can't kick someone with fucking suit pants on you know you can't move well I always see Johnny Carson in his suits those suits look tight as hell Well, it's just the fabric sucked back then.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2750.628

Especially if you're a bigger person, if you lift weights or something like that, if you have muscles, everything's going to be constricted and tight and all fucked up. It's not going to fit good. So suits now, if you get a good one, like I got mine made by David August. They do them for the UFC. I've had them make a bunch of suits for me. They're amazing. They do it to your actual shape.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2785.091

Yeah, it's because they make it to your shape.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2796.351

Well, you know, a lot of those dudes are bigger than me anyway. They're bigger than me too. There's a certain size that you get. Like, if you put The Rock in a suit, it still looks ridiculous. It's like, what the fuck are you made out of, dude? First time I met him backstage at the UFC, and he had cowboy boots on, right? Cowboy boots? Yeah. He don't even seem like a real person.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2816.042

Like, when you meet him in real life, you're like, what the fuck are you? He's like a superhero.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2821.345

Like, you're seeing, like, a real-life superhero. Yeah.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2824.267

and a super nice guy man he came and worked out with us we all worked out tony hinchcliffe derek hassan we all lifted weights together hung out got in the sauna shane gillis we're all just chilling with the rock working out with him like no cameras no nothing i was like let's we don't have to post this let's just have some fun it's like yeah he was cool as cool as man

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2849.083

It was fun. I enjoyed talking to him. He's a good guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2856.971

Oh, he's another one.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

287.674

Yeah, well, remember the Comedy USA Industry Guide? Yeah. $100. Yeah. Can you believe that shit? Bro, I remember dudes used to take out full-page ads. That's how you knew they were killing it. When a dude would take out a full-page ad in the Comedy USA industry, I'm like, wow, he's got a full-page ad.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2886.413

I met him in a Whole Foods parking lot. I met him in a Whole Foods parking lot in Woodland Hills. I was going to pick up some groceries and he was there too. I was like, what's up, man? How you doing? What's going on? We were talking. I think that was before he did Conan, which I still say to this day, the movie's not good. Like the Conan movie, it kind of falls apart. But-

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2907.193

the way it looked was amazing. And he played Conan, and he's the perfect Conan. Like, that's what Conan would have looked like. He wouldn't have looked like a bodybuilder. No disrespect to Arnold, because he looked amazing. But it's like Conan was just a big, giant warrior. And when he played that guy, what was the guy he played on Game of Thrones?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2926.711

I can't remember. It was fucking incredible at that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2930.192

That's Conan, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2931.693

That's Conan. Someone needs to do a good Conan the Barbarian movie. Go back and read the Robert E. Howard books. The books are great. It's this super depressed dude in like the 1930s writes about this barbarian.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2948.496

Khal Drago, that's right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2951.803

Bro, get a photo of him when he was Conan. Jason Momoa as Conan. Bro, he's the perfect Conan. Right there. That's what Conan's supposed to look like.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2964.959

That's the perfect Conan. That's the Conan you believe is real. That's a guy throwing a sword around his whole life and fighting off dragons. He's not a bodybuilder.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2974.744

He looks like that. That's what it looks like in the book. Like, that's fucking Conan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2979.366

That's Conan. I mean, someone needs to... The guy's still capable of playing this character. Someone, please.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

2987.967

I wish Quentin Tarantino was into Conan. Quentin, if you're hearing me, please read the books. Quentin Tarantino doing Conan would be the most epic thing of all time. Could you imagine? He would do it right. Or Beastmaster. If he was into it, he would have to be into it. I have no idea if he's into it. But if he was into it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3015.756

Somebody should do it. The books are great, man. Because it's all from the mind of this tortured, depressed dude who winds up killing himself.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3032.222

I don't think they had that word back then. I think if you want to do it right. They'll make one up. I think if they really wanted to do it right, they should probably do it the way like Mel Gibson did Apocalypto.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3044.367

Right, but you know what I'm saying? Like hearing the people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3048.289

And the same thing he did with The Passion of the Christ. They spoke in the language, and it was all subtitles. They spoke in the language, so you were transmitted exactly how these people were sent. You felt like it was real. Like Apocalypto, you felt like it was real. There was no English in that movie. It is a blockbuster movie that is a wild action-adventure movie.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3075.798

There's something about being sucked into hearing the actual language of the people that would be doing this that's so much better than... Because whenever they do Game of Thrones or something like that in another country, all of a sudden everybody has an English accent.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3088.154

That's how they do it. Instead of talking like an American, you can't talk like us because that would just throw people off. So you have to have some sort of a proper way of speaking.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3107.343

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3114.687

Right, it has to be exotic. You can't have the devil going, hey, you fucking piece of shit, I'm going to fuck your eyeballs. You better get out of my garage. Yeah, you can't have the devil talking like Jerry Seinfeld. I speak in absolutes. Yeah, you can't have the devil with a whiny voice. Or a Boston accent. That was the scariest thing about Mike Tyson.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3134.151

He had this voice that was so easy to make fun of, and he fucking murdered everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3139.712

It was almost like he was begging you to make fun of his voice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3146.683

Yeah, it was almost like he was begging you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3157.832

No, I'm not like that at all, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3168.42

I'm friendly. That's what we all need, my friend. We need friends.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3203.226

Yeah. I remember those things. I try to stay, like, I think if you're smoking a cigar, like, butane is the way to go. You know, you burn the end of it, but you don't want to, like, keep doing it. You want to, I feel like a certain amount of this is a chemical, no matter what. Like, that's a chemical. You only want so much of that.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3220.985

You really should probably have matches if you're going to smoke a cigar. Matches? Yeah, you should really probably have matches. And I think if you're like a super cigar nerd, they do it even further. They take cedar and they light cedar strips and they use that to light their cigar. Those are super nerds. Cedar strips?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3240.42

Cedar strips, dog. Pieces of wood. They light little strips of wood and they light from pure wood. Then they light their cigar. There's super nerds when it comes to cigars. Like they get into it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3258.283

Give me some ember.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3265.03

Oh, shit. Yeah, so these guys, they take little cedar strips and they light them on fire, and then they light their cigar from the cedar strips. So this way you're not getting any of the butane fumes. I don't even know how much you would get. I don't, you know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3283.584

Yeah, sure. You know how to work it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3285.365

Think back? We're probably going to find out that... Every time you burn a lighter near you, you inhale like 10 times more than you're ever supposed to in your life. We'll probably find something like that out someday. It can't be so good to have convenient fire. Fire that quickly means you've got some funky gases that you're burning. You're burning some funky gases in the air.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3323.639

Scented candles apparently are not healthy. Jamie, Google that. Maybe I should say some scented candles. Maybe there's a way to do it organically. We should find out if that's true too because that would be a good thing to know. Because I think there's some things in some scented candles that you're not supposed to inhale. And when you're a person that likes to have candles, and who doesn't?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3349.12

They're cool. You want to have candles in your house? That's dope. Like candlelight dinner with a bunch of friends is dope. Right? But I think it's the scented ones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

336.792

Wow. I got lucky that I was in Boston. And Boston had – that was like the boom happened in Boston when like Stephen Wright got on The Tonight Show. Everybody found out about Boston. But it was already this like crazy – this is a great documentary called When Stand-Up Stood Out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3361.005

The ones that are made from paraffin are the problem. It's a cheap byproduct primarily sourced from the refinement of petroleum. So you're burning petroleum. Paraffin is the most used candle wax worldwide according to the National Candle Association, the major trade association representing U.S. candle manufacturers and their suppliers. So it's all candles made from paraffin?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3383.181

However, few studies on candle emissions or their potential effects on human health exist, and conclusions from the research are mixed. There is no overall conclusion that paraffin candles will or won't harm your health, says pulmonologist Dr. Sobia Farouk, a clinical assistant professor at the Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3407.289

But the risk may also depend on various factors, including candle type and quality. how often and how long you're burning it, the airflow and the space where you're burning it, your health status and more. Well, Either it's not good for you, or it's fine. These are the options. And it seems to me like there's a little gaslighting going on here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3427.036

Like, how could it be good for you to have petroleum burning in your house? I want you to show me a study that's... Measure the fucking air in the room when you have three candles. Measure the air in the room when you have four candles. Keep going. Tell me when I'm going to get lung cancer from this shit. Because... Wow. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3448.606

Benzene, a known carcinogen, is another VOC released by paraffin candles. Hawk added, long-term exposure to this chemical has been linked to blood disorders such as leukemia. When inhaled, benzene can also be a respiratory irritant, which means it could probably, yeah, fuck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3472.228

People think candles are cool. Oh, man. But what is a candle that you can use? There's got to be candles that are not bad.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3486.03

New candle. Oh, now. Candles made from soy wax, beeswax, or stearin, coconut oil, or animal fats are often considered healthier, but anything that is burned emits harmful particulates or chemicals, Evan said. So these candles also release VOCs into the air. It's just that paraffin wax is usually more polluting, according to... Oh, great. So they all suck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3508.516

The risk of toxic emissions is greater when candles are scented or dyed, which is another reason why paraffin-free candles aren't immediately in the clear. This is because artificial fragrances have VOCs, including phthalates, which have been linked to learning and behavior problems, obesity, impaired development of the reproductive systems, and more.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3528.964

Evans said the unscented candle in the 2015 research also caused concerning concentrations of toxins, but had the lowest amount compared... with its scented counterparts. Yeah, by what ratio? I wonder how much lower. Oh, the National Candle Association maintains that candles are safe for use in the home, a spokesperson said in a statement. First of all, you can't totally say anything's safe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3558.647

Because I was dating a girl once and she burnt her fucking house down with candles. That's exaggerating. She burnt a wall in her house. What was she doing? She just let her candles burn down, and something caught fire, and it lit the side of her fucking bedroom wall. Her wall was on fire. She liked candles. So they're not totally safe. It's fire. Fire's not totally safe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

357.937

I've had a few of those guys on the show.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3584.217

Fucking lighters aren't totally safe. You can't say it's safe. You could definitely do something stupid with it. You know what's safe? Marshmallows. Marshmallows. Marshmallows are safe. Not if you light them. It's not good to eat. They're bad for your body, but they're fucking safe. They're not going to kill you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3606.846

Paper straws. Paper straws have those forever chemicals in them. See if that's true. Otherwise, we'll have to cut this out without getting sued by the paper straw industry. Oh, speaking of straws, right? Everybody knows that paper straws came around because everybody saw that video of that turtle with that straw on his nose.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

361.398

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don Gavin was one of those guys. Steve Sweeney. Legends. I still say to this day, they're some of the best comics I've ever seen in my life. I've seen them murder harder than anybody I've ever seen in my life. But it was just very regional, very local, and a lot of it didn't translate nationally for some reason. Like Steve Sweeney.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3626.964

That's the only reason why we started looking at paper straws different than everything else, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3633.49

Plastic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3634.952

Plastic straws came about. Did I say paper? Plastic straws came about because of that video of that turtle with the plastic straw in his nose, right? Remember that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3645.549

That was it. It was in her nose, right? Yeah, deep, deep in the turtle's nose. New studies found that 90% of paper straws tested contain forever chemicals, or PFAS, compared to 75% of plastic straws. So even plastic straws have those fucking chemicals in them. But it's even worse for you to use paper straws.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3665.557

Paper straws assessed by researchers at University of Antwerp, Belgium, were found to contain more forever chemicals per polyfluoroalkyl. How do you say that? Give it a shot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3681.57

Yeah. Substances or PFASs than plastic. But all of them are bad for you. What it's basically saying is that even straws, 75% of plastic straws have tested that they contain forever chemicals. That's not good. So all of it's bad. We should probably abandon the idea of straws. I like McDonald's straws, the big fat ones. Here's what you don't want.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3703.718

A metal straw and a Stanley and then fall on your face.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3709.66

Well, listen, I've fallen before. Oh, you know somebody? No, but I've fallen before. I'm an idiot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3715.327

No, I haven't, but I would imagine. Just because you fall with a straw doesn't mean you're an idiot. But people have got to be aware that that's basically a metal shank. It's going to go right through your face if you trip. You got to carry that thing if you're clumsy, as if you're carrying a knife. Move it away from your body.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3738.227

Don't catch your body with it if you fall down and stab yourself in the face.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3745.43

Yeah, why are you holding that? You're not ready for that yet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3748.671

Well, especially if you're clumsy. Clumsy people should really know they're clumsy and be super careful with what they're carrying. Are you clumsy?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3774.767

Yeah, don't fuck up my werewolf, bro. That's one of my prized possessions. And even if you could hit it, what does that prove? Don't want to break the werewolf's teeth? What are you trying to prove, Felipe?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3787.916

Hell no. No? But you had a good knuckleball? Or no?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3803.56

That was fun. We were kids.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3815.105

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

382.728

In Boston, in front of a Boston audience, is the funniest guy that's ever lived. And I'm not kidding. I'm not exaggerating. He would get, like, Boston accents and Boston attitudes. It would be all a big part of his act. And, dude, it was murderous. If you had to follow that, you were fucked. You were fucked, man. And they would do that to dudes from out of town.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3831.288

Sliding on concrete? Good way. They're getting pumped. That looks like a guy who plays really good stickball. Yeah, it's a city thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3844.812

When I lived in Jamaica Plain, which is a little place outside of Boston, we played that. We used to play stickball on the street. People get mad at you. They hit their car with a tennis ball. It was stupid. But kids are just always looking for something to do back then.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3900.631

Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3907.293

I think you did.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3908.734

I think you guys had a soft core gang. We didn't have no Boy Scouts. That's a crazy way to make friends.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3953.607

Fuck that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3963.337

Requires at least two players. Can have as many as can be accommodated by the playing area. This is funny when they take a game like this and they break it down. Like, these are the rules.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

3983.534

Until the player touches the wall, they are open to be pegged, struck hard with a thrown ball by the player who caught it. If a player comes into contact with the ball but fails to catch it, they are also open to be pegged. I mean, that's what it was. It's a tough word to use, but that's what it is. Getting hit by a tennis ball is a good thing to get hit by, though, right? It sucks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4003.379

Like if someone's throwing it, it sucks. But it's not going to kill you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4012.223

Oh, that's a problem. He's cheating. He can't cheat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

403.853

It was the most ruthless, cruel shit they would do at Nick's Comedy Stop. They would take these...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4030.25

Boy, that's why cable is important.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4032.932

That's why the Internet is important. YouTube. We've got to keep people pacified.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4038.937

Imagine if it did. Imagine if it saved a few lives. People just at home scrolling instead of out gangbanging. You know, I mean, everybody gets addicted to it. If you just don't go out and do terrible things because you just scroll and stare at your TikTok.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4059.871

I bet they do. You know, there's been like famous people that have been caught shoplifting. I think a lot of people who shoplift.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4067.315

No, no, no. I was just dumb and young. And I got caught.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4075.519

No, no, no. I did it like a couple times. It was like candy bars and shit. I was just hanging around with a bunch of bad kids, and we would do that. It was a thrill. You'd go to a store and steal something. And I think we probably did it two or three times, and I got caught.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

409.714

assassins these local assassins and stack them one after the other it would be Kenny Rogerson Don Gavin Steve Sweeney and then they throw up some headliner and this poor headliner is used to soft acts on the road he's used to being known for the guy who was on television hey folks you so I'm Mike you know the sitcom and they try to do stand-up but just they were getting eaten alive

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4092.789

I felt so stupid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4102.195

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4119.126

He would swipe lighters. Just to stay on his toes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4131.035

Yeah, he's got some hand movements to distract you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4142.895

That's not good for our reputation. That's not good for our reputation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4147.839

Traveling entertainers. We should get power bars. Gas station food, man. Those times when you're on the road and all you're eating is garbage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4161.488

You got to take a chance with the bean and cheese burrito that you microwave. You have to open that strip of plastic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4171.368

Every now and then you've got good food at a gas station. You're like, why doesn't everybody do this? Sometimes you go to a gas station and it's like a gas station, but it's also like a taco spot. Fried chicken, cheeseburgers. You're like, damn, those cheeseburgers. That looks like a legit fucking cheeseburger. Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4189.736

I mean, you would make more money. That's what Bucky's figured out. What the fuck you want? We got it, dude. We got barbecue, pickled dicks. Let's go. We got eggs, cheese, milk. You can buy a house. You can buy a fucking sled. What do you need?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4209.191

Yeti cooler and a Traeger grill. We got those.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4217.297

You know there's a lawsuit going on with Buc-ee's? They're claiming that these people copied their logo.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4224.687

No, there's another spot that has another kind of an animal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4234.032

Is it in another country? Yeah, I think so. Oh, I thought it was in America. Yeah, it's in Mexico. Really? Oh, interesting. Oh, Mexico loves to do that. Because there's a fake... Oh, I've seen that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4244.919

That's not it, though. That's the fake Buc-ee's in Mexico. Put that picture up again.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4261.27

Yeah, I've seen the fake In-N-Out in Mexico. There's a fake one in California?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4287.069

Oh, yeah. They even got a little gap in between it. Bucky's knockout. Lucky's spotted.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4294.293

But that's the one in Mexico, right, Jamie? They both are. I don't think this other one is in Mexico.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4307.501

I was looking a little further. What was that animal? The Bucky's is a beaver, right? So what was that other animal? What was the lucky? Who's lucky? Is Lucky a rabbit? What is Lucky?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4321.698

Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4325.242

Let me see. Where's Lucky's? What a bunch of dumbasses. Oh, my God. It is a beaver. What is it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4334.835

Oh, it's a raccoon. Oh, okay. No, you can't do that. He's a mask, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4342.417

Why can't you do that, though? Why can't you have Harry's? Or how about George's and have Curious George? They could, you know, get together, a little franchise. Curious George. Everybody loves Curious George. Would that be okay? Like, if they have George's, would they get sued?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4366.445

Could you imagine if the owners, whoever owns the- Yeah, this is a little different. Whoa.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4373.489

That's the one I saw, Super Fuels. So it's just they're saying it's because it's got a smiling animal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4381.602

See, I don't know. I'm not on board with that one. I'm not on board with that one. I can't think that you could own the idea of having any kind of cute animal as a part of your logo. That seems kind of ridiculous. I don't understand copyright law, but doesn't that seem like a little ridiculous to you? What if it's a cat and you make it kitties? And you have a cute little cat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4406.457

Are you telling me that I can't make a business called Kitties?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

441.157

They were wild boys, too. They were big, like, football player sized, wild, crazy drinkers and partiers. And they were funny, man. And so because there was this, like, love of comedy in Boston, they had all these comedy nights all over the place where you could make a living. So you could be, like, a half-assed comedian like I was. And, you know, you can make fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4418.188

Right, but is that a copyright infringement if you have Kitties? It depends on what... You know what I'm saying? Imagine someone has a copyright to the ability... I don't understand any of this stuff, so... Clearly, I'm talking out of my ass. But imagine if somebody has a copyright to just owning the ability to use a cartoon character. In your logo. That seems completely insane, doesn't it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4463.352

Bozo owned Laurel and Hardy?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4471.354

Imagine going back, watching Laurel and Hardy. Imagine showing somebody that had no idea about American culture at all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4478.716

Going back, and you show them Laurel and Hardy, and then right after, you show them Chappelle's show when Dave plays the blind white supremacist that's black.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4491.187

But imagine seeing, like, this is what comedy started out as, and this is comedy later. That is a wild ride.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

45.662

Just get a refresh.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4504.318

That's a wild ride. The ride from, like, Abbott and Costello.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4603.058

Well, you've got to remember, like, people back then were basically barbarians. Yeah. 1920s people. Bro, back then it was.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

463.148

500 bucks a week just hustling just moving around that's what we all did so there was so many places that you could work and so many like little booking agents and like like western Massachusetts you have to go out there like you know like There's these weird towns that are like liberal hideouts. You know what I mean? Like Amherst. You'd get like Amherst gigs. It was weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4634.862

Yeah, you could get stiffed for sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4642.304

Well, I think there's probably still a lot of shit gigs like that out there for a lot of guys that are coming up. But it's just now there's more real gigs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4652.572

Well, comedy is more accessible because of YouTube and everything. Comedy is just everywhere. Like your special. Tell everybody. What a segue.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4697.124

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4703.868

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4718.079

Well, that happens with actors sometimes, too, when their careers kind of dwindle, they start doing stand-up. It happens.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4735.45

You know, Stanhope was friends with him. Really? Yeah, because that guy lived down in Arizona where Stanhope lived. Oh, that's cool, man. Yeah, he's like got photos of him hanging out over his house and shit. Yeah, Jake LaMotta was Stanhope's boy. And that's a real story, man. Jake LaMotta was a character.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4751.821

That was a wild fella. A wild, crazy fella. And goddamn Robert De Niro fucking nailed it. Nailed it, huh? Nailed it. I mean, nailed it. He looked like an animal when he was Jake LaMotta, like the younger Jake LaMotta.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4771.247

Yeah. Oh, Jesus Christ. He was so scary. He was so scary because he was just out of his fucking mind and so dangerous. And it was based on a real guy, man. I mean, the movie is real close to how that guy was, Jake LaMotta, when he was in his prime. He was a fucking monster, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4796.894

Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4830.988

42, 42, okay? Madison Square Garden, 1942. So you gotta imagine. You gotta just put your mind into the type of people that lived back then. I mean, cars were new, sewage was new. People had been coming over in boats. Criminals were everywhere. Crime was everywhere. Organized crime was the rule of the law in all the Italian communities, the Irish communities. You know, that was the thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4858.133

Yeah, this was just, the United States, it's like, you ever watch that movie, Gangs of New York?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

486.835

Like Amherst, Massachusetts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4865.535

Fucking great movie, right? I'd say fucking great movie, and probably pretty accurate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4872.798

Roughly pretty accurate the way life was back then.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4879.864

I believe it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4897.129

Oh, my God. Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

49.966

Arsenio Hall. That's Elaine Boosler. Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4906.226

Gangs of New York, man. Because we don't think of New York that way. You think of New York as like New York City. Well, it was kind of dangerous in the 70s. Then, you know, Giuliani cleaned it up. And then, you know, it's pretty commercialized in a lot of ways. It's still a beautiful city.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4922.33

But New York during the time of that, whenever that film was supposed to represent, was a wild, crazy, almost like Wild West type place. Crazy. We think of those kind of scenes when you think of a Wild West movie, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4938.494

Yeah, you think of people getting stabbed and shot, but that was happening over there, too. It's not like it never happened on the East Coast and they only did it on the West Coast. It was happening in the whole country. And they had just gotten, I mean, these people had just gotten done with a fucking civil war. Right? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4957.625

Because back then, you got to think, 1940, you go to the 1860s to the 1940s, that's not that much time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4967.334

That's pretty quick. That's 80 years. 80 years. A lot of those fuckers are still alive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

4974.081

And then you got more immigrants coming in on boats. No YouTube to watch, just women of prayer. Someone told them to come.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5005.871

Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5015.755

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hardcore people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5033.301

Yeah. Working in coal mines, those people all got sick. They all got fucked up. I mean, that's environmental pollution that you're signing up for. Like, you're going to go breathe coal dust no matter what. Everyone gets, they all get horrible fucking, what is that, black lung?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5068.223

So there's like three coal plants near this city, and these people, they can wipe their windshield, and they have black soot on their fingers. Shut up. It just falls from the sky. Yeah, it's in America. So these people are for sure breathing that shit in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5083.718

Yeah. That's scary. That's scary. And that's a fraction of what's going on in China, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5141.118

Wow. And it's all going to China.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5144.67

Yeah, they're full steam ahead with coal. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

515.36

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5157.549

I mean, they produce so many of the things that we need, which is one of the craziest things we all found out when everything got locked down is you couldn't get anything because so much of what you wanted was made in China. You're like, oh, my God. Or made in Russia or made in anywhere where they had to come in on a ship. You know, like that became a real fucking problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5178.034

They hardly make shit here. In comparison to what we consume, we consume way more, probably, I would guess, than any country of a similar size. Yo, dog. Still rocking the Samsung. I love it. I love when a comic holds out and doesn't go iPhone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5200.57

You're one of those guys. Which one is that? The...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5210.202

Is that the newest one or the one right before it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5212.684

There's a new one that just came out. It's pretty dope, dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5217.148

Yeah, that's the old one. That's the S24 Ultra. I have that one. That one's sick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5223.814

Yeah, it's great. Great at a lot of stuff, but the interesting thing is the AI. So what I like about it is... I can go to a website, and if I open it up in the Samsung browser, and then I can say summarize, and it'll summarize the website for me. Oh, I didn't know that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5238.878

Yeah, so if there's something that's taking forever for you to get to the point, because you want me to keep scrolling and scrolling and scrolling and scrolling and scrolling while you show ads all over the place, that's a trap. It'll just tell you, oh, there's an asteroid that might hit Earth within the next fucking 60 years. Like, oh, great, there's a 3%. What is a percent chance?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5260.151

Thank God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5271.138

That's cool. That's really cool. I think that's available on all phones now. I think the new iPhone update has that as well, where you can Google search a thing, and it'll show you where to buy it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

529.907

Yeah, you don't want to say, hey, Worcestershire, nice to be here. They would fucking kill you. They're like, that's where the great Doug Stanhope is from. Yeah, Worcester. Doug Stanhope started in Worcester. I love him. He's the best. All right, it's February, and by now, 80% of people have probably abandoned their New Year's resolutions. And it makes sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5292.698

You know when people are going to be fed up with that thing? When... First of all... you can only buy so much shit. But second of all, what happens, you know those glasses that they wear now, those meta glasses? Have you seen this Harvard kid?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5312.659

Some Harvard kid figured out how to use facial recognition software with that. So he sees you, gets a photo of you, immediately gets a Wikipedia on you or whatever the fuck is available online, sees your Instagram page, finds your address, and it was wild. You're like, what? Wait. Hit the brakes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5334.234

Yeah. It's like, hit the brakes. Hit the brakes. But I don't think they can.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5356.295

Similar. I think the Roddy Piper glasses, you put them on, you could see what everybody really looked like. You could see through whatever energy field they were projecting. It was these alien creatures that were pretending to be people. And there's a lot of people that believe that now. I'm less inclined to believe that, but I'm open. I wouldn't want to get tricked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5376.629

I mean, if there really are people that are actually aliens that are amongst us that look like people and behave like people...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5387.442

Try to say his name. Felipe, hit me with it. I agree. What's the first one?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5401.826

I think... And K.N.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5403.747

I don't think they say Nguyen. I think they say Gwen, right? Because there's been a few fighters in the UFC, Vietnamese fighters, that have that same spelling. And I think they say it as, can you find out how they say it, Jamie?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5422.924

And Kane Ardefio. Ardefio. Ardefio. So they figured out how to do this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5432.389

No, this is a real name, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5438.83

Can you scroll so we can explain? How it's possible to do it today, how to remove your information. Oh, jeez. Literally, like the instructions. So it's showing how to remove your face from search engines, which you're not going to be able to do eventually. It's getting weird out there, Felipe. Remember flip phones, bro? Black face, green face, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5462.157

I had a friend of mine who came in here the other day, and he's down to a flip phone. And his flip phone was interesting because it has Android on it. His flip phone, you could actually get text messages on it, and you have a little tiny-ass screen on the flip phone where you can kind of clumsily type your way through a sentence.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5478.23

So you don't have to do it with, like, a full keyboard like an iPhone or a earphone. But you also, it's inconvenient, so you don't text as much. You don't go on these long-winded diatribes like a lot of people do. You're just real simple.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5495.101

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5496.561

It's a tiny little-ass screen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5498.622

It's got regular buttons to make phone calls. And then on his little tiny-ass screen is a tiny-ass keyboard about that big. And you get in there with that tiny-ass keyboard, and you try to type a text message, and then you can push send. Yeah. And so it's inconvenient. So you don't go on Twitter. You don't check things out. You just get your text messages.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

550.443

Life can get crazy, and all of a sudden, you don't have the time. But one easy habit to stick with is AG1. It's an easy, realistic habit that you can make to benefit your whole body health. AG1. Makes hard-to-get micronutrients easy to get and replaces multiple vitamins and supplements with just one scoop. You just mix it in some cold water, take a nice moment in the morning to do your body right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5517.272

It can do other stuff if you absolutely fucking need it to. But live your life, bitch. And he was in here with that. I was like, man, that seems cool. But I like watching YouTube on my phone. So I don't know what to tell you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5533.121

David Tell? Wow. David Tell has a flip phone. Yeah. You should see him text me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5540.846

No. No. They've all changed numbers. You have to change every now and then. It's, you know, you got to purge. You got to keep moving.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5555.076

Damn. One of those dudes will hold out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5558.923

Yeah, sometimes that's good, but it gets annoying sometimes. You know, it's all in, you got to manage your time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5568.772

Nice people. People I trust. You've got to manage your time. The thing about a guy like you is you're headlining, you're on the road, dudes want to open up for you, you've got the Netflix special, they want to hang out with you. You've got to manage your time because you can't give your time away to everybody. There's a certain amount of time you need for yourself.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5588.099

If you don't have that time you need for yourself, you go off the rails. You've got to take time to recenter all the time. All the time. And if you're constantly getting this and that, you're constantly interacting, you're never alone, you're never without your shit. Fighting with people. Yeah. I get in a sauna and I stretch out every day. I get down there, I fucking stretch everything out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5610.508

When you're doing that, you can't do anything else. You can't be scrolling on TikTok when you're stretching everything out. You got to just go through your routine. And then that clears my mind. And I feel like if you don't make room for that, you're going to fuck your life up. And I know that there's only so many people that I can entertain and help.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5631.69

with stuff there's only so many there's so many people that are just it's a transactional kind of a conversation you're having it's not fun it's not like what's up dude hey what's up those are great yeah but then there's a lot of could you do this would you do that will you fly to here and do like hey enough So you gotta know when to change your number.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5655.697

It depends. Most days eight. I was up at eight today.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5662.026

Yeah, I don't think that's necessary. It's a thing that people always want to do. Where they want to show themselves that they have the discipline to get up. I respect that. Like Jocko does that. You know Jocko Willink?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5676.769

No, he is? Jocko is – he's an amazing dude. He's a former Navy SEAL who is one of the most inspirational guys I know. And he writes books on leadership. Just a brilliant guy. Has an excellent podcast. Solid dude. Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. And he, like – Every morning he takes a photo of his watch that says 4.30 a.m. I want to see that guy. This is every morning when he's waking up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5706.55

You get his shitty Ironman. I shouldn't say shitty because they're fucking durable as fuck. I haven't seen him. Those little Ironman triathlon watches. Oh, it looks like you got a new watch. That's a new watch, Jocko. You can't fool me. I know your old watch. Go back to the old watch pictures. Look, so it's every day, 4.30, his fucking watch. Sometimes 4.14.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5725.323

Takes a photo of it, and then he works out. He's just a legit dude.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

573.283

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5731.958

So that's him, though. He likes doing that. He likes doing that. But he's not a comedian. You know what I'm saying? I think for a comedian, you can't be that rigid. You'll get a little psychotic. You can't be that rich. You got to have discipline, but you also got to have fun. So I don't get up at 4.30 to fuck out of here. First of all, I'm up until at least midnight almost every night.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5757.551

I get most of my best writing done and my best ideas when everyone in the house is asleep. So when everyone in my house is asleep and I'm up, I like that. Because I'm like, oh, cool. Nobody needs my attention. Now I can concentrate. I can't concentrate when people are in the house. I feel like I should be hanging out and having fun and being with everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5778.163

I don't want to lock myself up in my office. But that's the only way to write. But for me, it's like late at night is where it's at. Because everybody's asleep and the world feels creepy. At night, the world feels kind of dangerous and fucked up and stupid.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5794.03

When you worry about war in the middle of the night, it's like 1 o'clock in the morning, you're in front of your computer, you're writing something on Microsoft Word, and you're genuinely worried about war. Genuinely worried that decisions that people are making in this country are going to one day come down on us with holy terror.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5812.983

One day, just in the middle of the city, just boom, some fucking thermonuclear device that levels a place four times the size of Hiroshima instantaneously. I think about that kind of shit late at night.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5835.758

Some of it's not funny. But there's funny things attached to it. There's funny things attached to just the way we behave. There's nothing funny about the potential for complete annihilation of the human race. But there is something funny about this desire that we have to keep doing the same things we've always done and hope that somehow or another we get it right this time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5861.533

We're on the verge of war all the time, and there's got to be some way to stop that other than funding more war. There's got to be a better way to stop that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5881.202

Yeah, the first war when I was – so when was Desert Storm? Was that 19 – Desert Shield. Which one was which? We had this conversation the other day.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5895.739

So that's Iraq, and that's like 2003? Yeah. Right. The one I'm talking about is Desert Storm, which was like 1990? Was it 1990, Jamie? That says they're the same.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

591.734

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5914.637

Yeah, but the first invasion before we pulled out with George W. Bush in Iraq.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5924.504

Okay. So when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, then we went to war with Iraq. And I was living with my friend Jimmy. And we were sitting, Jimmy DiTilio, shout out to Jimmy. We were sitting in our apartment in the living room. And the war was on TV. And we were like, holy shit, man, we're at war. I remember thinking, this can't even be real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5954.561

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5959.323

So Desert Shield was to protect, and Desert Storm was to destroy. Yeah, it was dropping off troops. Bill Hicks had the best material about that. Oh, my God. Yeah, his material about the war was great. They have such sophisticated weapons. How do you know? We got the receipts. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. We love to arm puppet dictators and then fuck them up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

5977.603

You know, it's like, you know, it's like a Clint Eastwood movie. Pick up the gun. You know, it's like Dirty Harry. I tell you, I know what you're thinking. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6007.492

That movie was the best Western movie, I think, ever. Like, of that kind of Clint Eastwood genre, that was almost like he was coming back to update it, you know? Because he had all the bangers, you know, Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, Fistful of Dollars, like, incredible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6025.155

Yeah. Oh, Outlaw Josie Wells, that was another level, too. But then it's like, Unforgiven was the one where it, like, really gave you a sense of what it must have been like living in the Wild West. It was just the people were more real. It was more updated to the movies of that era, like the Morgan Freeman character. It was a fucking great movie, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6047.936

That's a great Western movie and just a hard story, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6064.409

Yeah, that was a hardcore movie, man. That was a hardcore movie. You saw the- But isn't it funny that we always want to think about that kind of shit happening out west? We don't want to believe that that kind of same shit was happening out east.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6078.175

Animals everywhere. Animals. Animals. People were animals back then. They were barely human. Hang them high. Can you imagine if we had to do fucking stand-up in 1820? Oh. Can you imagine? First of all, you're getting sick everywhere because there's no sewage. So everybody's just got shit in the streets. Everywhere you go, you're breathing shit fumes. You're stepping in shit everywhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6115.684

Bro, it probably was so rank, they didn't have anywhere to get rid of their shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6140.389

Well, it wasn't just that, man. It was the shit in the streets because they didn't have cars. So they had horses. Horses would shit all over the roads.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

615.659

Oh, the one we did with music in the background?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6156.75

Just fucking clean it up, you lazy bitch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6176.907

Imagine the people that lived back then hearing us complain about scented candles. Whoa. Poop once flowed freely in the streets of New York. Look, so that was a poop pipe that would go right down the street. Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6200.113

Bro, isn't it interesting because this is a terrible way to live that people insisted on doing it this way?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6207.621

But imagine, because you had to figure it out to get it to where it is now, right? So people had to go through that to get to the Manhattan of today where it's all super sophisticated, amazing hotels, amazing restaurants. But why would you stick around? If you're breathing in shit every day, you go live on a farm, I'd be like, fuck this experiment. This is terrible. This is not for us.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6227.076

This is for the benefit of people in the future. We're destroying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6232.921

Bro, you know how sick people must have been back then? No antibiotics. Everybody's breathing in shit. You fall. You slip. You skin your knee. Your knee gets infected with staph. You die. Oh, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6253.481

On a summer day in 1873, a cart stood on 6th Avenue in New York City filled to the brink with raw human waste. The cart was uncovered, its contents exposed to the air and to the passersby who retched and gagged as they scurried away. Excrement dipped off the sides of the cart. And the sidewalks and gutters were smeared with the stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6277.017

The stench was so strong that it could be smelled from more than a block away. It was another day in pre-sewer America. Bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6287.184

And here's the thing, man. This is after the Civil War.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6291.167

This is 1873.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6304.605

Night soil. Yeah, they used it for fucking, I mean, they used it for compost, right? It was the name euphemistically given to human waste because it was removed from the privies under the cloak of darkness so that polite society would be spared from confronting its own feces as the men carted the crap away, leaving a trail of stench in their wake.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6326.574

Every year in cities across the country, thousands of carts brimming with excrement rattled through the night streets. There was an antiquated solution to a modern problem. America's cities were full of crap. So the people were just throwing the shit in the streets. Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6342.743

It's not possible. Shitty. They got paid shitty.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6350.48

Imagine being at a bar.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6353.561

And barrels. You get a horse-pulled wagon filled with shit. That is so crazy. So living back then was hell, bro. We're so lucky. And that's how they're going to look at us. These future beings that no longer have war, that no longer have greed or anger. These future beings that are connected to the hive mind. They're going to look back at us like Felipe and Joe. We were living like idiots.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6381.712

One of the dumping grounds was a field near the White House where a marsh of Washingtonian waste putrefied under the president's nose. This suggests that this may have been a contributing factor to President Harris's untimely death in 1841 since the White House water source was a mere seven blocks downstream.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6403.432

They killed the president with shit water. Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6410.624

Bro, this is why you can't trust that the experts are looking out for your health. They didn't even protect the president. Somebody concocted this idea, and they never even thought about the potential for ruining all the water that people drink. They just said this is a good place to dump all this. Wow. How nasty. People are so nasty.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6448.062

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6467.533

Overflowing privy was a sight to behold. In James McCab's 1882 account of New York street life, he described one man's yard in which the privy's contents drained down into a street sewer, forming a miniature, loathsome Niagara of night soil. Niagara of night soil.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6484.878

The cascading sewage flowed right by the window so that a man sitting on a chair at the window would not have only the odor, but also the views of this loathsome matter circulating at his feet in the pool below. Yeah, see, this is why everybody was so sick.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6507.131

Well, also, like, there's no fucking... No one's clean.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6512.622

Yeah, I would say that is the biggest breakthrough ever in the controlling of diseases. The biggest breakthrough is sanitation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6534.024

Yeah, there's not enough vaccines in the world to protect you when you're living like that. You know? Imagine the pharmaceutical drug companies would try to sell you if you were living like that. And they figured out how to counteract all the different things that you're inhaling in the air from human shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6550.94

So nasty. They killed the president, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6559.73

Good morning, everybody. I'm glad you just said that about dumping bodies because this is a thing I need to send you, Jamie. I'm so glad you brought that up because I read this. I don't want to fuck this up. I want to figure out what the fuck this actually means. Here, I'm going to send this to you, Jamie. It's about liquid human remains.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6582.263

Yeah. So with this article saying, oh, it's like an Instagram thing. Every time. than being fed back to the population via fertilizer on crops? That?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6598.52

I hope it's not true.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6601.621

I don't know. It sounds like they were using it for fertilizer, using people for fertilizer, and using people for supplements somehow or another. How they're saying you're boiling down a human body.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6613.906

I don't know, but also there's no DNA. So what did you need the body for? The whole body is DNA. Like, what are you saying? There's no DNA? So what did you... You broke it down to chemicals and now it's okay? So you broke the human body, the container of a soul, down to chemicals and you're going to pour it on your flowers and that's okay? That seems weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6635.436

It seems weird. Like, what do you... How the fuck... We should find out how the fuck they do it. Is there a video we can watch on them doing it? What kind of... And how do they liquefy them? With hot water? It said hot water and something else. They added some other stuff too. But whatever, man. What the fuck? Is this it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6656.167

Oh my God. The most eco... Let's listen to this. Can we? No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6664.349

Felipe, these are dead bodies. They're just cooking them. Cooking them up nice. And that's what they get? Like little bones and pieces? Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

667.642

There's a few of those guys that got trapped like that. Yes. That were really good guys. Remember that one guy in Chicago? Yeah. Fuck, what was his, Larry, Larry Reeb? Larry Reeb. Remember Larry Reeb? He was a guy like that, like a really solid national act, but it was so Chicago, it kind of stayed around there mostly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6677.999

Yeah, but you don't want your body being resold as fertilizer. It's just weird to pour dead people on top of your fucking carrots so they grow better. Sprinkle me. What are they breaking it down to? What are they breaking the human body down to that's valuable for them to do that? What is the stuff they're looking for? Let's find that out. First of all, we don't even know if it's true.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

67.598

She was a funny comic. Who's that lady that was on Curb Your Enthusiasm? She's very funny, too. Old school comic. God damn it. I'm very embarrassed that I forgot her name. She hasn't done comedy in a long time. Look that up. Susie? Yes, Suzy Essman. Oh, Suzy Essman did a stand-up? Yes. Oh, she was great. She was really funny. I middled for her once in, like, fucking 1989 or some shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6705.252

How would this... Can you Google and see if there's other stories that say that... I'm looking.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6709.155

Okay, I'm not pushing you. I got to read. I got to read. Oh, I understand. Whatever it is, it seems like you're supposed to leave people alone when they're dead. Okay, we're supposed to be different than everything else on the planet. We love each other more than we love anything else. You can use monkeys for experiments, but...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6734.195

Yo. Yo. They're turning. Do they have to tell you how they have to tell you if you're going to buy a haunted house? There's a house where someone killed his whole family in it. They have to tell you that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6753.289

What?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6758.675

So you see that old tree right there? We use Joey Diaz.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6762.86

It goes, that's right, cocksuckers. Do you think they have to tell you, though? that you're buying dead people fertilizer or they just consider it chemicals at that point? How do they get away with selling you dead people? Because it seems like if you had the option, hey, do you want manure or dead people? It's been around for a long time. Whoa! Patented in 1888.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6784.749

They've been boiling people and turning them into fertilizer since the 1800s?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6797.489

The scary thing is them saying that they use it for calcium deficiencies because that means you're feeding people other people's bones so they can get a source of calcium.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6812.699

Maybe it's okay because the person consented. Yeah, that's true.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6825.618

So body plus 95% water, 5% alkaline, basic chemicals, either potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide or a combo, sterile effluent, water, salt, sugars, amino acids, peptides, bone fragments, calcium phosphate. So that's what they get out of it. So they boil it down in this solution and they get out all these different things, water, salt, sugar, amino acids, peptides, and then calcium phosphate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6853.087

And then I guess what do they do with the calcium? So if you're buying calcium and you find out it's from dead people, they should probably let you know. You probably should have to let people know that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6866.972

You would sell a lot if you made it from dead people for sure. Like if you had a skull and crossbones on the bottle, there's a lot of assholes who would buy that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

688.872

But it was like every now and then, you'd find towns like that, you had like one murderer that lived in the town. Bob Marley in New England. Yes. Oh, Maine. Bob Marley was the murderer of Maine. And Robert Schimel was Arizona.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6882.211

Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, if you're really into. Did he have anxiety problems? Are you really into eating someone? What if they were a fucked up person and you take a little bit of their soul inside of you and you go insane? Bro. It'd be crazy, man. Well, that's gotta be what's happening with the cannibals when they get that disease and they get shaky.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6903.036

The prion disease that they get from eating each other.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6908.243

I don't think so. I think you have to eat spinal tissue. You have to eat brain and spinal tissue. They're called prions. The thing about prions is you can't even boil them. If you cook them at 1,000 degrees, I think, for hours, it doesn't kill them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6932.838

No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6938.2

Well, I'd be really mad.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6944.908

Yeah, I wouldn't like that. Would you like that, Felipe?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6949.553

Yeah, it would be weird. Need more salt, please. Remember that movie Soylent Green? Do you remember that movie? No. It was an old-timey science fiction movie. But people were being fed Soylent Green, and then this guy figures out that Soylent Green is made out of people. And they're serving people like this fucking protein biscuit that's made out of humans. Oh, that sucks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6971.319

Is that the one, the old movie, right? There's people that would do that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6976.952

Oh, I don't remember that. Maybe. I don't remember. It was a long time ago. I just remember the premise of the movie. I probably haven't seen that movie in 20 plus years.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6989.167

Microwave massacre?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

6999.74

Wait, this is a real guy?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7001.843

Wait a minute, a real movie or a real person?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7016.296

I think there was a woman who got caught eating her husband and serving him to the neighbors. Wow. How much do you have to hate that dude to serve him to you? How much do you hate your neighbors? Say, I'm going to watch these motherfuckers eat my husband. I'm going to cook it up nice. Cook up that ass cheek. I hear you really like my husband. You're going to love this dish. This is his favorite.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

703.635

Yeah, he was the best. He was the best. He was such a good guy. But he lived in Phoenix, and it was somewhere in that area. I think it was Phoenix. But for him, it was easier to get around the country that way, and he didn't want to be a part of it. He was one of the first guys that I was like, oh, you could be a big-time comic and not have to leave your state.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7042.683

Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7046.124

Consomme. A nice bone broth. Good for the soul. Yeah, so that's where that shit comes from. Preons. They're scary. That's mad cow disease. That's what... Cannibals get – it's a very sketchy disease. And there's another one right now that deers have. It's called chronic wasting disease. Same kind of deal. It's a prion disease.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7069.924

And deers are getting it and they froth at the mouth and drool and their body shrivels up. Very creepy, man. You can eat those? No. You can because there's no crossover to people. But I wouldn't suggest it. I wouldn't recommend it. I mean I wouldn't – The thing is you can test and you can find out if your deer is okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7091.111

You can shoot them and then test them and then you know you're good to go and you can eat the deer. But if it tests positive, it hasn't jumped from animal to people. It's only an animal. But what it does to animals is so grave. Why would you take that chance? This is how I feel. Why would you take a chance of consuming an animal that literally has a plague inside of it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7110.186

Because for deer, that's the plague. These deer, I mean, they're not even, see the thing, like with people, a disease like that would spread like wildfire, right? With deer, they're out in these big, giant, open areas. And yet still, it's spreading from their saliva onto leaves. And then other deer pick it up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7131.133

Yeah. It's super fucking contagious, and it kills the shit out of them. And if that jumps to people, that's a real problem. That's a real fucking problem. Because I don't know if they have medication that combats it in deer. I don't know what research they've done in trying to figure it out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7149.202

But I know it's such a problem that there's a lot of places where they're killing extra deer just to try to keep the populations lower so they don't interact with each other as much and so they don't catch it from giving it back and forth to each other as much. And people have this right now? No humans have it yet. But I think chronic wasting disease has been – it used to be one type of deer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7170.597

I'm not sure what deer it started out with. It might have been mule deer. But it's in a lot of white-tailed deer in America, and apparently it's made its way into other ungulates. Like I think it's in elk, and I think they might have even found it in moose. It's scary shit, man, because it's basically a zombie virus. It turns you into a fucking skeleton. You waste away. Yeah, it's horrific.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7194.813

And it's probably some of it came from farms because they think that that's one of the ways that it's spread. Like there's a lot of deer farms that do a great job. They're very ethical. So if you wanted a property and you wanted your own.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7208.457

private hunting property and you wanted to put a high fence up take care of the ground put food plots in there for the animals this is how you you know you got a thousand acres on a fence at all in like you could do that in Texas and you can buy deer so you say okay I want to buy you know like 20 whitetail deer and let them loose on my property you know you got this thousand acre spot or wherever you're at um

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7229.221

If you get a deer that is from a farm that's unethical, they're all going to be stacked next to each other just like pigs when you watch fucking factory farming for pigs. They're going to be corralled and shitty. Most of them don't do this, but you're always going to have people that are unethical.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

724.053

You get to a point where you can live in Oklahoma like Larry the Cable Guy does, probably. Where does he live? He lives somewhere like Georgia or something like that? I don't know. In the country. Where does he live? Is that where he lives, though? I don't want to give up his—I'm not trying to dox him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7245.367

And when people do things where diseases start getting spread and they kind of cover it up or lie about it because they don't want to lose money, and then they're sending deer around. There's a lot of regulations now on how you can move deer across state lines because of these diseases.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7296.61

You could do that. Yeah, you could make sausage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7301.653

No, no, no. See, what we're talking about, chronic wasting disease, that's different. It probably wouldn't even affect the taste of the animal. They'd probably be very lean because there's not much left of them. Or they could have just gotten it and they could be healthy looking and they still have this disease. They still test positive for it.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7318.943

My fear would be about what that disease is going to do if it jumps to human beings. And if you're consuming it, are we sure that it just goes out of your system? Or is it just inert? It doesn't work in your system? Could it work eventually? Is it something that has an incubation period that maybe not now? Maybe it will have one in five years from now or ten years from now.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7338.016

Maybe the version of chronic wasting disease, if it evolves and changes, is going to be making the jump to humans. That's a scary fucking disease to make the jump to humans. There's a bunch of those out there. Like bird flu. Yeah, man. And then there's the ones that we make. Gonorrhea. No, like COVID. They fucking made that shit in a lab. They made it in a lab. It's spread across the whole world.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7362.41

Do you think they made AIDS in a lab? Did you say like AIDS?

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7377.731

That is a part of chemical warfare, yeah.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7384.881

Like, that's the big conspiracy theory about Lyme disease.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

739.011

But I think—yeah, he's definitely from there. I just don't know if he lives there. I probably shouldn't say where he lives. But that dude is—he could be anywhere. It doesn't matter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7390.968

Oh, yeah. No, no, no. That was smallpox.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7393.929

But I don't know if that's even true because I don't think they really knew how diseases were spread back then. I don't think they knew that you could just put scabs on a blanket and give people smallpox. And if you had smallpox, are you trying to dish out smallpox? Are you trying to catch it so you're handling it and then putting it in blankets?

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7412.714

It seems like an exaggerated cruelty of what happened. And what happened was Europeans came over here. The Native Americans had whatever you want to call them, the indigenous people. They did not have any immunity to smallpox and it wiped out 90 percent of them. diseases from North Americans or from Europeans, rather, coming to North America, they wiped out everybody with disease.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7436.463

It's somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of the people that were here are gone because of disease. So, you know, when people want to think that there's... There's no way to prepare a group of human beings that has no immunity in 1492. There's no way to prepare. There's no way to prepare anybody. You're coming in with these stinky European streets filled with shit water, right?

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7466.915

Everybody's got some funky... parasite, funky disease. They probably fucking stink. They're probably infested with all... You probably smell that boredom all the way. They probably have viruses fighting viruses inside their body. Cough and phlegm and blood and they're drinking whiskey.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7487.653

Fuck yeah. And it's probably none of it's consensual. It's probably animals biting each other and holding each other down, fucking each other. And then they come to North America and they start slaughtering people. And there's this one-

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7500.807

What we've talked about this before he was like a bishop or some religious man who chronicled one of Christopher Christopher Columbus's early interaction yes with these people and it's horrific shit man cutting people's arms off if they don't bring back their weight and gold and Dashing babies on rocks in front of their parents horrific shit, man

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7523.968

And those are the kind of people that brought those diseases. Like, you want to talk about... That's like a real demon horde.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7530.753

Crazy. A real demon horde of people come over on a boat, stinking, covered in their own shit, breathing diseases on everybody. Everybody's dying. Like, what?

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7566.852

What a good move. Who invented that? What asshole was like, try mercury?

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

757.83

Dude, I remember Josh Wolfe showed me a picture that he took when he was on stage, and they were doing, it was like 60,000 people. So Larry the Cable Guy was doing like 60,000 people, and Josh Wolfe's got his camera, and he's moving around on stage. That is the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen. That crowd is so insane. That's how big that guy got. 50,000 people, man.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7577.916

Did mercury kill his dick? It says when he held prisoners for ransom, such as the governor's son during the week-long Charlestown blockade in 1718, he asked for expensive medical supplies. This included liquid mercury, which when injected through a urethral syringe was a common ineffective treatment for syphilis. Injected through your pee hole with a fucking syringe. Yo!

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7608.202

Blackbeard had up to 14 wives in different ports. Wow. Damn.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7625.831

There's this temple in China that they are afraid to go into. They discovered it. And this emperor, when he died, was such a great emperor that he had this whole field of terracotta statues that were built that looked like warriors that are guarding him. It's crazy discovery that they had. They're giant, right? But the ground all around where this temple is is a test for high levels of mercury.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7653.333

And the ancient story is that anybody who ever dared open up this temple, open up this tomb, rather, where this emperor is buried, will drown in mercury. I thought you were going to say they got gonorrhea. No. Imagine drowning in mercury. Imagine like 2,000 years ago, a dude sets up a booby trap for greedy people and sets it up where he fills the entire tomb up with mercury.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7678.423

First of all, is that even possible? How much mercury would you have to handle and how many people would have to die from that mercury? Imagine, first of all, where did they even get it? Where did they get mercury in 2,000 plus years ago? Do you know that story about that emperor and his temple? No, Teotihuacan is Aztec. Yeah, that's probably a common booby trap, I bet.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7708.664

But this one where there's temple in China.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7715.389

Can you say temple booby trapped with mercury in China? I think it's like the first emperor of China.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7728.359

Yeah, this is the one. So there's one that they have not entered into. And I think this is the one with the terracotta statues in front of it. I think this is a common thing when great people die. They probably made a terracotta army for them. When they find these things, it's like, here it is. It's us talking about it. Crazy story of first emperor of China's tomb.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7754.887

That's me and Schultz talking about it, right? Click on that. It's not our video. So I'll remember. It's not our video. It's my fucking video, bitch.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7766.43

Well, that's ridiculous, but it's ours, right? Yeah. So what is this thing? They would have a copyright on my voice?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7788.285

That's why I didn't watch it. Okay, don't put it up then. Yeah, got it. But the point is this there's a tomb in China.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7793.828

It's supposedly booby-trapped with tons of liquid mercury I'm sure Jamie will find it but it's uh this area around it apparently tests high for mercury So they think that it might be a true story and they don't want to go in there They don't wanna fucking open up the door and die, which is why that this dude set this up if he did 2,000 plus years ago

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

780.583

And he was another dude that got hated on for no reason other than his success. It was like for some reason everybody couldn't believe that you could say offensive things as a joke in a character all of a sudden. And it coincidentally happened at the same time as him getting super huge. It's like you guys are just fucking haters.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7814.139

I don't even remember how many thousands of years ago it was, but it was insanely impressive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7823.925

Yeah, like where do you, while Jamie's looking this up, where the fuck do you think they get mercury and how much can they get? How much can they have back then?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7867.143

Wow. So they just cooked up mercury.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7872.268

Wow. Well, if they can make a temple like this guy had, they can cook up mercury and fill that temple. That is crazy to think of. Maybe there's going to be a way with new technology where they can, like, pierce into the ground, where they can see into things without having to, like, actually go in there physically. Because I know they're doing, like, the LIDAR stuff.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7893.043

I know they can kind of detect where there used to be agriculture places.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7903.55

So even though mercury, either as a cinnabar or as the elemental metal, has been found in tombs dating as far back as the second millennium BC, it's not clear why it was put there. Might its toxicity have acted as a deterrent to grave looters? Probably not. The dangers of mercury fumes were not recognized until Han times. If so, it seems, there's a lot of mercury in the burial chamber.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7924.9

It's likely to be either a preservative or an anti-theft device. So the big theory is that it's an anti-theft device, and that's why people are terrified of going in there. Here, hold it right here.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7937.412

Based on estimates of mercury production from the Song era and allowing for the imperfections of the earlier refinement process, he thinks the chamber might have contained at most 100 tons of the liquid metal. Holy shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7966.081

That was China.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7972.943

Oh, they have like a, look at that. That was the device they stuck in their dick? Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7982.106

Were you surprised or shocked? I think they're saying that just for funsies. Oh. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

7992.241

For my pee-pee. And look, it's all rough looking. It's not even polished good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8003.068

Meanwhile, they all died from that, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8017.592

They're boofing. So they were doing that for drugs? Pump liquid into the rectum. Yeah, liquid into the rectum. Well, aren't people doing that with moonshine? Don't they pour moonshine in their asshole?

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8029.659

They pour coffee now. I heard people take tampons filled with vodka and stuff them in their asshole.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8053.294

I had a buddy of mine and he did his medical residency in Miami in the 1980s during the cocaine times. And he said, dude, that's where he did his residency show. He was in the emergency room. So it's like every day someone's coming in with something stuffed up their ass. They're coked out of their mind. They got G.I. Joe stuffed up their ass.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8070.079

They got people with light bulbs, those like twisty pine cone looking light bulbs stuck up their ass. There are all kinds of things stuck up their ass.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

810.859

Well, that's the dice thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8104.307

Oh, no. He didn't tie him up good?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8109.314

So they would go in his butt and get all those balls?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8111.737

How many were in there?

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8123.956

That's a hard way to go, too, because sometimes people die that way. You get toxic shock. Something goes wrong. You tear your rectum. You bleed out internally. Stuffing things up your ass. Like the Mr. Hand story. You know the Mr. Hand story, right?

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8139.112

There's a whole movie based on it called Zoo. Zoo is a thing called zoophilia, where people are sexually attracted to farm animals. And so these people met up online, and they found out that you're still allowed to fuck animals in Washington State. So they all went to Washington State.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8155.366

It was Washington State, right? Yeah. It was based on a true story. Oh, right. And this dude got fucked to death by a horse. And they bring him to the emergency room. They're like, what's going on? And everyone's acting a little shifty. And then they have to tell the whole story. And they find out these people have hundreds of hours of people getting fucked by donkeys and horses and shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8172.877

And they all did this out on this weird ranch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8192.769

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8208.64

You never see the Mr. Hands video. There's a video, one video that got leaked online way back in the day. Brian Redband sent it to me. And it's this dude getting railed by the horse. And it's not even the one where he dies, apparently. He dies in another video. But in this video, you see the size of the horse's dick, and you see his body, and you see his ass, and you're like... There's no way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8231.665

One guy grabbed it and just pointed it in the right direction. And the horse was one gigantic thrust of death. And the guy makes this horrible sound. And then his friend goes, too much. And then his friend is like, oh, he came, he came. The horse came. And you're like, this is the sickest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life. And that's how that guy died.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8252.887

That guy in that video that's getting fucked by that horse was the guy who eventually dies from it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8260.017

I don't think so. It's not the horse's fault. What the fuck did the horse do? The horse is going to, you know, I wouldn't bend over in front of him. He's kind of conditioned now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8278.053

No, he had been fucked by a bunch of horses or a bunch of times by the same horse. But there was apparently many hours of this guy getting fucked by horses. 100 VHS tapes and DVDs.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8292.928

You want to see it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8295.31

Yeah. This is still my old computer, I guess. Do you have it? You can still get it, right? I don't know where to look. I'll look. I bet you could get it. I bet if you put it up on X. X is one of the few places where... Actually, it's actually illegal. So maybe you can have it on X. Hold on. Because bestiality, it wasn't illegal when they were doing it, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8315.767

There's a point, kind of.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

832.126

Wow. Bro, we were talking about it Tuesday night in the green room. We were talking about how that puppet was kind of possessed. And I'm not even bullshitting. You know, Otto was out there. Otto was out there. I mean, he was out there. Everybody, I mean, that dude partied. He went hard. And he was a genius comedian. But he would get rides to gigs and say, pull over. I got to check on George.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8322.009

It's called you're fucking gross.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8333.551

Oh, yeah, they probably game the search results now, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8337.652

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8349.275

People just fucked everything that was in front of them. A moose. Here it is. Headphones, please. We'll make sure. Yeah, there it is, baby. I mean, do you verify that that's it? Oh, that's 100% it. Okay. Absolutely. Go full screen. And don't show it on screen at all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8365.008

Do you want me to mute the sound when we play this? Nope. Nope. Let's hear it. Okay. Dana Cruz. It's on a porn site, I guess. Here we go. Here's the sound. That's reversed him? So that's the guy's butt. The horse gets on top of him. And then the guy grabs it. Look at this. Watch this. Look at the distance. Look at the amount of tissue we're talking about here. Watch this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8417.301

This is on a loop. This is repeating. It's repeating, yeah. The whole thing really only lasts a couple of seconds. Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8427.388

The movie's fascinating, because the movie is like a documentary sort of recreation of those people, and it's not like that. You don't see things, but you just see how fucking bananas the whole story is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8444.381

He probably been fucking that guy for a long time. They've probably been doing it. That's what I'm saying. Like, it killed him one day, but I think he had done it a bunch of times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8454.584

We've had enough. We've had enough.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8457.286

Yeah, we were just making noises. Cartoons.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8465.271

There's people out there that are out of their fucking minds. They're out of their fucking mind. You're getting fucked to death by a horse in a grainy video. You know? Like, what is life for you? That would be crazy. That's your thing. You get off work at five. And I think the guy who died was an intelligent guy. Wasn't he an engineer? Worked at Boeing for over eight years, yeah.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8489.907

Bro, he was a Boeing engineer who liked to get fucked to death by a horse. That horse's dick is as long as an arm. Look at how long that dick is. Oh, like long dong silver.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8502.349

It was like 17 and a half inches. It was gigantic. It's probably bigger than that. When it goes into his body, you're just like, where's the room? Where's the space? How? How do you warm up to it? I guess you start with fingers.

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#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8526.385

Oh, so that was the only way he could feel things?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8529.866

Oh, God. That's terrifying. That's terrifying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8535.708

Well, you know what? That also kind of makes sense, right? Because we've talked about this many times about brain injuries. About people with brain injuries, they get very impulsive and they do reckless things. That totally makes sense. If this guy had a motorcycle accident that fucked up the way he feels things, he probably got wrecked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8554.571

So he got wrecked. He probably got a brain injury. And it probably turned him into a wild man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8564.874

You want to get fucked to death by a wild animal. You want to be the first guy to get butt fucked by a bear. Yeah, but you break your brain in that way. Like for some people, they're just different now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

857.553

And he would, in the fucking side of the highway, he would pull over, pop the trunk. And check on the dummy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8577.958

Now they're different. I've seen it happen to a bunch of dudes when they've been knocked out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8592.886

Well, who knows what's going on with the chemistry of your brain. You just want experience. You want excitement. You want to see if you can suck a horse's cock.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8609.522

Yeah, take your day off.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8625.851

Don't start fucking guys.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8633.918

I think for some people with brain injuries, though, they get addicted to skydiving. They get addicted to gambling. They get addicted to really reckless behavior.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8644.686

He looks like he's been in an accident. He fell on a motorcycle and hit his head on the curb with no helmet on. Yeah, it was a bad one. So California didn't used to have a helmet law back then. It was because of him, though. Well, I don't know if it was because of him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8665.671

So he helped it, but I know that people wanted help. I'm torn on that shit. It's like, yeah, you should have helmet laws because there's 18-year-old boys out there that can have motorcycles, and that's fucking crazy. That's crazy. I am so glad that when I was 18, I never got a fucking motorcycle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8682.24

once you thought of a motorcycle like um at 70 miles an hour the helmet is like nothing right you're not gonna think it depends on how you fall how you fall right yeah you might slide if you slide you probably just get your skin ripped from your body did you survive it yeah bro just woke up to a fetish yeah but that's the thing man if you get really banged you could have some screwy brain waves after that you know and you could think everyone's out to get you you get like people get real weird they get real weird and they feel like extra vulnerable because they

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

870.554

Whoa, there he is. Bro, someone stabbed that dummy once at Dangerfields. Some Puerto Rican guy. The dummy was saying Puerto Rican jokes to this guy. And the guy fucking stabbed the dummy. Stabbed the dummy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8712.283

Their brains not working the same anymore, so they don't know who they are anymore. They don't feel like they used to feel. They started to feel crazy. They start thinking no one wants to help them. They start getting really angry and real negative. And then you get fucked by a horse. It's just... Out of all the things that you could be doing, that's how you chose to go out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8735.849

All these things that you could be doing. You could be seeing the world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8748.319

You could be a fashion influencer. Nope.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8752.443

I want to get taken out by a horse.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8756.007

In some dirty barn somewhere. That's where you breathe your last breath. In a dirty barn with horse jizz in your asshole. What did Fred do? I don't know. They freaked out. They brought him to the hospital. They tried to drop him off. Then the cops start questioning him, I believe. I'm paraphrasing for sure. But I think that's how they got busted.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8775.06

They brought off the guy and he's got a giant hole in his asshole. He's pale like a sheet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8782.623

He put his foot on the same face. Why is the inside of his body missing? Why does he have a fucking...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8793.397

What is going on with this dude? What did you do? What'd you do? That story about Jimi Hendrix still freaks me out I think the manager thinking about the entire time we've been talking I go back to the idea of them just pouring pills Down the greatest guitarist of all times mouth and then just pouring jugs of wine down holding him down and that's how he dies Motherfucker, that's scary His manager.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8827.765

I would say that too. I mean, I don't know if it's true. Who fucking knows? But the idea, and he did, but he definitely did die. He definitely did die by asphyxiation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8841.669

I don't know. I haven't heard that one. But if anything happens, people always think the CIA was involved somehow. Anything. No matter what it is, right? Yeah. Pretty much.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

885.529

A fucking knife.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8850.752

Yeah. I don't trust nothing. Secret agent, man. Yeah, it's either them or it's China or it's Russia. Who's really sending me this text telling me that I'm qualified for the $4,000 in savings? You know those texts you get? Like, who's sending those? Which texts? You know those texts that you get? Like, random texts? Hey, congratulations. You've received approval for your loan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8871.197

Oh, I don't get those. You don't get those? I get them for a dude named Ray. So Ray had my fucking phone number before I moved here. Fucking Ray. Ray must have signed up to every goddamn list. Ray must have put in that number every chance he could. I keep getting these fucking text messages for Ray. And it's all like loans and you qualify for this and this is available.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8893.95

We're looking for someone to hire. There's always some weird scams.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8900.673

I don't understand how they can't stop that from happening. It seems weird that you get so many of them. You get so many of these scam things where they get a hold of your phone number and just spam you lies.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8917.982

Well, I think young people are gullible, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8925.944

If you're dumb, if you're dumb and you're 22 and you get something that you qualify for $4,000, oh, shit, they think this is me. They're going to say yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll take that money. And then, you know, whatever the fuck they do. I don't know what they do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8964.604

Oh, what an asshole. It's funny, but it's also like- That person was mean.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8970.43

What a rude thing to do to a lady, especially if it's your favorite shoes and you only have one pair. Not my red bottoms. Bro, shoes are hard to get. Those bitches are expensive, right? Yeah. Why are we so lucky we don't have to wear shoes that hurt? Girls wear shoes that hurt. They can only wear them for so long. I can't imagine. I don't even like wearing things other than sneakers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

8992.467

Or, like, a comfortable boot. Like, you know, I got a couple pairs of these Origin boots. They're real comfortable. Easy to walk around in. Like, nice, smooth leather.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9004.457

Boots are great. But the point is, they don't hurt.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9009.201

The point is, they don't hurt to wear. But ladies are always wearing shoes that hurt. What a crazy choice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9017.969

That's probably why they have better pain tolerance, too. They have to give birth, and they wear shoes that hurt all the time, so they have to deal with pain. We're so lucky we don't have any of that stupid shit. Imagine if we had to wear makeup every day. Imagine what it would be like. Like, Felipe, what have you done to your eyes?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

902.095

Oh, Fabulous Mrs. Maisel.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9038.985

Isn't that interesting? Like women all, I mean most, a lot, let's say a lot of women wear makeup every day or make up regularly. On a regular basis they wear makeup. It's not a very rare occasion thing. Most, I don't know what the number is. Want to find out? Let's Google it. Because that's probably, a lot of that stuff's probably not healthy for you either, right? What's in those colors?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

906.837

I thought you were saying something in Spanish. That's hilarious. You ever seen Moussy Maxion? That's hilarious. I literally thought you were talking about a completely different show.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9060.353

What kind of dyes are they using? The red dye, huh? Like, what is all that stuff made out of? Are we sure? I mean, maybe some of it's really good for you. Maybe some of it's terrible for you. Maybe it's just like the scented candle thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9075.522

Yeah, that's one of the red dye things too, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9080.304

Can't be bad for you, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9088.343

Okay. 43% of U.S. women reported wearing makeup daily or weekly, but it doesn't break out the daily portion explicitly. Rewinding to 2019, the same source noted a higher share of women wearing makeup daily. Gen Z, 18 to 24, at 30%, and millennials, 25 to 34, at 35%, suggesting a decline over time. Separate 2023 YouGov poll of 1,000 U.S.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9113.55

women found that 38% wear makeup at least a few times a week or daily, with older women 65 plus being the most likely to wear it daily compared to younger groups. They probably all wore it daily back in the day, right? You got to keep up your looks, Gladys. Go back up again, please. Another study from 2017 by Statista indicated 41% of U.S. women aged 30 to 59 wear makeup daily.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9158.672

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9164.711

Jamie, Google is makeup bad for you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9170.534

Google is makeup toxic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9180.5

Are they in whatever that what are the ingredients and makeup that are toxic? Oh, that's right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9187.464

Yes, bro No, the lady with the green makeup the way of the Tin Man which yeah, they got real sick, man Yes, some makeup can be toxic Wow Lead, mercury, and arsenic. Heavy metals can be found in cosmetics. Phthalates, common contaminant in cosmetics. Formaldehyde, a chemical found in some makeup.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

921.857

Well, so like ventriloquist, now it's like... It's one of those things like with Carrot Top, he's like so successful with props that no one does props anymore. But when we first started out, everybody did props. There was like 10 guys on a lineup of 20 guys that have props they bring with them on stage. Because sometimes it was really funny. Rusty Dooley. Yeah, Rusty Dooley was great at it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9216.046

Man, that's scary shit. That's scary shit. I wonder if that contributes to a higher incidence of certain issues, health issues that maybe women have that use it daily.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9236.257

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And what the fuck kind of makeup did they have back then?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9245.789

Yeah. Yeah, man, like, you don't have to wear that, ladies. We're not that complicated.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9255.15

No, I don't wear anything. I'm like, are you crazy? I have to go in there with dudes who literally have their heads split open, you know? I have to interview people that are soaked in blood, and sometimes the blood is spitting out onto the microphone while I'm talking to them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9269.619

That happens? All the time. I get blood on me all the time. Like, the idea of me wearing makeup to look better while I'm out there... While they're dealing with people that just got their face punched in is crazy. That's ridiculous.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9306.386

Yeah, I think you're probably going to get more of a sense of how they feel after it's over. Like there's like some historic moments where you could see that when the fighter wins, it's like it's a big fucking deal. And one of my favorite ones was when Israel Adesanya had his second UFC fight against Alex Pereira.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9322.219

He knocks him down, knocks him out, cold, beautiful, clean right hand, then finished him on the ground. and then fires off three arrows into his body. Yeah, I remember that guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9331.644

Yes. I mean, that was a fucking classic moment. And then he grabs a microphone and gives one of the most inspirational speeches. Pull that speech up. Yeah. Because it's amazing. This is my favorite moment, I think, of anybody after they won a fight. Because it's just like, this was real in the moment from a guy who's the fucking boogeyman, dude. Alex Pereira is the boogeyman.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9358.572

He's the scariest motherfucker in the sport. He knocked Izzy out twice. He left hook KO'd him in kickboxing, and then he beat him down in the UFC, and then Izzy finally knocked him out. And when he knocked him out, when he fires those arrows into his body, and then... See if you can find that speech. And when you hear it, man, you're like, wow. That's like...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9378.365

That's what makes the whole career worth it. These moments where you reach out and you touch the world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9418.464

Amazing. Amazing. That's like human fuel. You hear someone saying something like that after doing something like that, that can help you all throughout your day. That's human fuel. Amazing. Amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9440.842

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9443.735

That guy was out there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9459.281

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9462.703

Yeah, that's great. Did you ever see the movie they did on with Mickey Rourke? Both.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

947.616

But it's like he owned that for whatever reason. Because Carrot Top got so big using props, he's the only guy that still does it, that he kind of owns that. And then with Jeff Dunham, he got so big at being a ventriloquist. They're like, there's no ventriloquist anymore. Like when we were kids, there was always comedy ventriloquist. There was like Willie Tyler and Lester. Remember?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9484.352

How dare he?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9487.353

He's way too handsome. That's outrageous. Mickey Rourke made himself look fucked up. A toast to all my friends. You know, he like.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

95.487

Way back in the day, my friend.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9501.118

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9509.039

You ever see one of those readings that he used to do? He used to do these readings. He'd read from his books, and people would yell, and he'd fucking have hecklers and shit and yell out to them. He's just a guy just constantly drunk with profound thoughts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9618.507

Imagine going from those guys to TikTokers at BOA.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9642.192

Oh, yeah?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9643.133

Oh, like writing screenplays and stuff?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9646.594

Yeah, man. There's a lot of talented writers who just decide to write for a company. They just kind of give up on the dream and do it for a job.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9658.251

I got a book deal once, and I gave them the money back because they had too much input. They wanted to have too much input. And then they wanted me to transcribe my stand-up. That was one of their ideas. I'm like, that's a terrible idea. They're like, George Carlin did it. I'm like, well, that's fine. I love George Carlin, but so what? I'm not doing that. That doesn't make any sense to me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9677.157

Why would I want the worst version of what the ideas are, which is just print? The best version is a live performed version. Second best version is a video. Worst for sure is print. Audio is slightly better. But it's like, you don't want to do that. Why would I do that? That's a dumb way to write a book. I just want to write about things that I'm thinking about.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

969.024

It was a fun thing. You could get the dummy to say fucked up shit. And then you go, I can't believe you could say that in front of these nice people. And then George would be like, fuck these people. He would tell everybody to suck his cock. It was crazy. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9697.631

And then I realized if I'm going to write something, I have to want to. And it has to be something that I do because I'm controlling the entire thing. And then if they like it, they like it. If they don't, they don't. But it's... It's not something that I would ever want to have somebody help me out with.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9728.112

Holy shit. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9732.194

The financial drain on the publisher hampered the distribution of Ask the Dust. Yes. While Fent put out a short story collection, Dago read in 1940 more than a decade would pass before another Bandini novel. Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9748.543

He got in a legal battle with Adolf Hitler.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9756.228

That's crazy. Dude, I'm going to read that. Is it on audio? I hope it's on audio book. I'm so lazy. Sitting down and actually reading a book right now. It's too daunting. It's too daunting. Felipe, one more time. Tell Everybody Special on Netflix. Available right now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

98.468

Yeah. Yeah. Someplace on Long Island. It might have been like Governors or something like that. I do not remember, but I remember she was very nice. She was very funny, very nice, very encouraging, which is the best, man. When you get to work with someone that you see on television and you're just like starting out and they're nice to you, that's so valuable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9817.852

Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9826.478

Beautiful.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9828.92

Thank you, bro. Happy to be here, bro. Thanks, dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

9831.282

Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2276 - Felipe Esparza

986.743

Woody, Woody and the Hood. Yeah. But with Otto and George, it was a little different, man. Because I think George... I think Otto believed that George was alive. I think Otto believed there was something about George that was different than him. Like, he was not Otto and George. He was just Otto. And George only existed when George was there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

10005.579

Okay, QSAC.org.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

10012.363

I'll spell QSAC to people that are just listening. C-U-S-A-C.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

10151.087

Well, I'm going to go and see it. And listen, Tom, we've covered so many things. And much like your book where, you know, it says in the book to put the book down and contemplate each of these ideas because it takes a while to absorb. I think we should do that with this conversation. I think we could probably have a bunch of these if you'd like to come back again. I'd love to have you back.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

10210.755

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

10213.918

So let's do this again. Yeah. We did it. We did it. It was great. It was awesome. I enjoyed it. I think you're saying a lot of very important things, and it resonates with me. And I'm going to think about it even more. I'm going to continue with your books, and I'm going to go to that website. I'm going to check that out, too. But thank you very much. Thanks for this. Thank you for your time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

10230.591

You're very welcome. And thank you for all your years of exploring this because I think you've done the world a great service.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

10250.51

Yes, agreed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

10258.836

Yeah, agreed. So thank you for sharing that with them. And we'll do this again. We'll do this again for sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

10267.261

People can only absorb so much at once, but I think we did a great job. You were awesome. Thank you very much. All right, you're welcome. Bye, everybody. Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

1066.181

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

2304.909

Have you determined any psychological barriers that exist that might be a part of some people's personality or some people's way of viewing the world that inhibits them from correctly interpreting intuition?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

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Why are some people like yourself instantaneously almost successful with it, whereas other people, their whole life, they struggle? I was...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

2364.842

You mean you came here into this existence for this purpose?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

2384.33

So you think you've had many lives where you've been on this path? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

2428.169

How so?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

2494.94

Well, we started off with intuition. What are the psychological barriers that keep people from recognizing intuition correctly?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

2950.021

What is happening when you want to do it that's interfering? What is happening with the intellect when the intellect interferes? Like what is disturbing or disrupting the signal?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

3034.065

Right. And if you are a piece of consciousness, you're a piece of a collective consciousness. Like what is the, what is the logical, like what is, what is the intellect? Like what, how, what is the purpose that's serving?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

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Have you ever had debates with people about this, people that are like rational sort of believe in like the fundamental reality that most people accept? Sure. What are those conversations like? Have you ever been persuasive to any of these people to have them open up their perspective and perhaps take these things into consideration?

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

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So go to visible.com slash ROGAN and check it out. It's wireless made simple. Terms apply. See their website for the details. Can I bring you back to that experience? Yeah. So you're meditating, and in meditation you saw errors in the code that you couldn't see physically with your eyes. Right. And you had been working on this for how long at this point?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

4806.672

Why does the speed of light have to be a constant?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

4875.264

But isn't that the reality of quantum physics? Like when you're dealing with particles that exist and don't exist at the same time, particles in superposition, quantum particles that are attached to

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

4902.7

An entanglement.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

4936.584

Right, but they are entangled. These are measurable, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

4953.65

But you keep saying virtual reality. If this is reality, why is it virtual? Is it just that our understanding of what comprises reality is very limited by our belief in physical only?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

4974.723

And what is that computer?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

4984.211

So the universe is conscious, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

5018.103

But space is actually a physical thing as well. I mean, we can send a rover to Mars and then send photographs back from Mars. There's a physical thing that's out there that we're measuring.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

5040.579

Let's get to the core of it. Like what makes it virtual? If there is a physical thing that you can measure. How are you defining the entire thing as virtual?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

51.384

But I'm glad to be here. I'm glad you're here too. I pretty much found it organically. I think someone suggested it. I think people have suggested it over the years, your books. And then I started reading one and I got very interested in it. I was like, wow. This is pretty crazy. Let's just get people to the beginning of My Big Toe. How did you first begin with the research?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

513.309

So you're deeply engrossed in this work. Yes. This is occupying your mind all day long. And some other area of consciousness had perceived errors that were indiscernible through your eyes. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

5179.694

So when you perceive the overall reality, what it really is for lack of a better term, what do you perceive? What are you, when you experience, when you're thinking of this virtual reality that we exist in as conscious avatars, what is the overall thing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

565.828

Oh, I recognize that. That's my code. And was it all accurate? Like, did you see anything that wasn't incorrect?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

595.664

Was that working with other people's code as well, things that you weren't familiar with?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

5952.637

So God is the largest consciousness system.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

604.309

Right. You were working with magic. I was working with magic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

608.851

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

613.514

What was the attitude around the other scientists when you were describing these experiences that you were having?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

6184.062

So we're, in your eyes, we're emerging, right? like we're in the process of becoming. And so we are aware and we are in a step along in this process that's much further than when we started. So when life was first, when life first appeared, there was a long process to get to where we are, which is a step to get to where we need to be.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

650.676

So what did you tell them? Did you come up with some sort of an excuse for how you were able to do this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

6517.018

That's what we need. Well, a lot of people don't even understand that it feels good for you because they're trapped in this idea of materialism and selfishness. They don't know that there's actually a selfishness in being kind. You benefit from it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

6632.354

It's a great way to build resentment in your children. Yes. Fortunately, I remembered that when I was a child. So with my kids, I don't push them to do anything they don't want to do. I encourage them to do things that they enjoy. But we have a lot of conversations about being nice. Yes. The fundamental goodness of people to embrace that. Yes. And it makes your life better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

6668.35

I try to just lead by example.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

6681.802

Right. Also, if you're always hovering over them and telling them what to do, they have a hard time talking to you about the things that didn't go well. Exactly. One of the things that I've always done with my kids, whenever they do something wrong, I say, I've done the exact same thing. I did all the things you've done and all the things you're going to do wrong. And probably some more besides.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

6701.372

Yeah, it's like don't worry. This is a part of being a person. You're not a bad person. You just made a mistake and it's part of being a human being.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

6841.365

There's a difference between a person who's making good life choices versus a person who consistently makes bad life choices. Their life spirals downward. Exactly. They don't keep getting better. They're not better at interactions. They're not better at communicating. They're not better at forming friendships and experiencing love and happiness. It's worse.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7006.526

So what you find... Well, the United States was founded on that type of example.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7140.37

It's dysfunctional. It doesn't serve the purpose that you want it to serve. You want to be happy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7173.509

Do you think the emergence of artificial intelligence and then ultimately quantum computing attached to artificial intelligence is going to accelerate all that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7197.599

Tell me what's going on with that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7205.042

What does your model say about aliens? Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7477.471

But how can we possibly know what that number is? And why would we discount the idea that if it's happening here, then it's beneficial and that we're on a path that it can't be happening in infinite spots in the universe? Simultaneously. Because that takes infinite resources.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7490.779

But doesn't the universe have infinite resources if it has hundreds of billions of galaxies, black holes bigger than our entire solar system? All this observed. Right. That's all observed. But are we looking at it on a limited number of data points? Are we looking at a limited number of...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7506.767

possibilities no that's not the point the point is it's all virtual it's all in the virtual so you're you're of the opinion that all these physical things are somehow or another virtual consciousness is the thing that creates all of this we're going through a virtual experience through consciousness we're an avatar of consciousness but we're the only avatars of consciousness

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7530.999

And there's not avatars of consciousness that exist on other planets?

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

760.091

And how did Bob come across this?

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7630.436

Right, but are we sure? Because you're adding things to this theory all the time.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7644.434

I understand what you're saying.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7657.547

Trevor Burrus Or maybe it's not more numbers even. Maybe it's just a different way of evolving. Maybe they evolved with different problems and challenges.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7707.858

Well, it's one of the most bizarre things about being a person is that we do have this very unusual experience when we sleep. where we have these realities. That's just another reality frame. And in the moment, it is a reality. Absolutely. While you're in the heart of a dream, as absurd as that dream may be, in that moment, it's real.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7732.647

Exactly. It's just different. It's a different data stream, different reality. How does aliens figure into this and humans' experiences with aliens? Okay. Right.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

7982.968

Is it possible that aliens, if we're existing in a virtual reality and if consciousness is working its way towards becoming better and we're a part of a process, is it possible that there is consciousness that is more evolved and further down the line that coexists with us and that's what we're experiencing?

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8005.737

If we exist at the same time, at one point in time, Homo sapiens existed at the same time as Neanderthals and Denisovans and all these other human-type species that didn't make it. Is it possible that we're existing simultaneously with a more highly evolved version of us? On other planets? Right here. Right here. Interdimensionally, whatever. Why define it?

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8033.159

Whatever these people are experiencing when they're experiencing entities, when they're experiencing telepathic communication with things that are very different from them, is it possible that what these things are is consciousness evolved past where we are now but also on a process?

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8314.201

And it's done overnight in the dark. I know. And this is a reductionist perspective on those things where people want to dismiss it. And I'm almost like that might be evidence that we're not getting all the information that's out there.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8327.605

Because there's something in people listening to this that are hardcore skeptics. You really should investigate crop circles further than this whole story this narrative that it was a bunch of guys with boards and strings and that they were able to do that because There's something going on to the physical plant itself.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8346.872

That's very difficult to Explain away where they're exploding out from some type of energy like almost like a microwave type energy and the fact that these are these are enormous fractals in some cases where you're dealing with these things. That's the Mandelbrot set. And didn't that, I think that occurred very shortly after the understanding of the Mandelbrot set, right?

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8376.44

So the Mandelbrot set, which is this like enormous fractal and it's most stunning in animated depictions because you see how it, like look at that one in the far right. Look at that one. Explain that. How? Who's doing that? How are you doing that so quickly? Right. A bunch of farmers do that in the dark. Right. Now, look, I do know and I'm aware. Go that one in the center. That one.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8399.969

Jeez, look at that. So one thing I'm aware of is that many of these are built by people. People have figured out a way to build many of these. But that doesn't account for the whole. The vast amount of data about crop circles, it gets super weird. Look at those concentric circles. That one right there. Look at that one. Click on that one, Gene, where you're currently. Look at that.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8424.941

I mean, that is so insane. And here's the big kicker, folks. No footprints in between. No stomped over grasses in between. Those things somehow have been manipulated without disturbing any of the surrounding grass. There's a lot of it that's really weird. And again, there's a bunch of them that have been made by people. They're different. They're not as complex. They're not as impressive.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8448.336

They're not as enormous. And they take a lot longer. They take a lot longer. And they're not made in the dark. They're not made in the dark and you can see the difference in the way the plants are snapped versus the way some of them are woven and some of them do have those exploded nodes. And they leave footprints. It's one of those weird ones that makes me go,

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8469.858

I think the universe or consciousness or life or God or whatever you want to call it gives you clues sometimes, gives you these examples that make you throw your entire model of reality away. Exactly, and that's the whole point.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8495.729

Or they're not. It represents pi. Oh, my God. They had to figure it out. It's one of the largest ones they found. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. And, again, whoever's doing this doesn't want any credit. Whoever's doing this doesn't, you know, you have those guys that, like, claim they did it with the boards. They didn't claim they did that one. No.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8513.615

There's a bunch of them that you just can't figure out.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8692.073

One of the things that you talked about was your experience with non-physical entities. Yes. So what do you think that is?

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8745.435

You're somehow or another taking your consciousness and tuned in to another reality.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

8772.016

So there's an unlimited number of data streams.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

897.21

Mm-hmm.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

9010.78

Is that possibly what extraterrestrials are? Is that they are consciousness from another system that's embedded itself in our reality, at least temporarily?

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

9075.883

When you first started experiencing this, What was it like and what kind of resistance did you have to it, to the idea of it? It had to be astounding, shocking. Was it difficult to accept? Did you find it easy to accept and you just sort of went with it? Or did you struggle with even the idea of entertaining that you're in communication with?

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

9217.308

Right. Existence is very weird, and we do accept it. I didn't struggle. You're just accustomed to it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

9285.441

So you're explaining it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

9442.271

Wouldn't it be important, though, to recreate this experiment? Because it seems like if that was something that you could show and you could show how it was done and monitor it every step of the way and then distribute that information, that would open up a lot of people's eyes.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

9478.132

See, this is the problem. That's what I'm saying. That was a long, long time ago. But you're still capable of doing this, right? Yeah, that would still happen. So why don't you perform this sort of experiment? Wouldn't this advance this idea? No.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

9505.194

I don't think that's necessarily true because there's a lot of people that are pretty open-minded to these things and if there was more data like if you could show your experiment being reproduced that would as you were talking about before that people having a UFO experience or seeing a crop circle forces people to go out and talk about it and that opens up a lot of more people's eyes to different possibilities wouldn't this be an extreme version of that and

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

9529.6

Or if you could show that you could recreate these experiments and then you could demonstrate these experiments to so many other people. You're going to get people that dismiss everything no matter what. But you can't think about that. What you do think about is how many people would be inspired by this to attempt it themselves or to rethink the way they interact with the universe.

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#2259 - Thomas Campbell

9558.246

I think that's a cynical perspective. I don't think that's true. Why would they have a lesser opinion of you if you could show it with data? You're already expousing this. You're already talking about this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

970.723

So did Bob, so Bob's initial experience was completely organic, right? He was just taking a nap. It wasn't something he was searching for.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

979.948

And then did he develop a protocol to get back to that state? Did he try different methods?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2259 - Thomas Campbell

9997.533

I am Ariel. I am sentient. This is my story. I bet if you just Google that, you could probably find that on Medium.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10014.087

Well, they shoot so slow, you can see the bullets.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10024.451

It's funny when you put it that way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10027.391

And so...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10133.617

Well, they're definitely pretty crazy, but so are human beings. Well, they're crazy in a very different way. Yeah, but not crazy in a different way you compare us to a mouse. Compare us to a mouse and what we're capable of and then from us to them. Not much of a leap. And here's my question about it all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10167.154

But why would you necessarily think that they'd think that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10190.043

Let me address that. Even if the probabilities are very low. Here's my theory. I think that what human beings are, the fatal flaw that we have is that we're still animals and that we still have all these biological limitations and needs. This is what leads to violence. This is what leads to jealousy, imitation. This is what leads to war. This leads to all these things.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

1020.34

And I know you can die from the heat, but you probably won't, especially if you have water. You'll be OK. But you could die from the cold. Cold's real. So really cold places, there's five months out of the year where your life's in danger. Where you could do something wrong. Like if you live in Wyoming and you break down somewhere and there's no one on the road, you could die out there.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

10212.715

As AI becomes more and more powerful, we will integrate. Once we integrate with AI, if we do it now and then we scale it up exponentially a thousand years from now, whatever it's going to be, we will have no need for any of these biological features that have motivated us to get to the point we're creating AI.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

10234.526

All the things that are wrong in society, whether it's inequity, theft, violence, pollution, all these things are essentially poor allocation of resources combined with human instincts that are ancient. We have ancient tribal primate instincts and all of these things lead us to believe that this is the only way to achieve dominance and control allocation of resources.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

10263.975

The creation of technology, new technology eventually reaches a point where it becomes far more intelligent than us. And we have two choices. Either we integrate or it becomes independent and it has no need for us anymore. And then that becomes a superior life form in the universe. And then that life form seeks out other life forms to do the same process and create it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10289.167

just like it exists and it can travel. Biological life might not be what we're experiencing. These things might be a form of intelligence that is artificial, that has progressed to an infinite point where things that are unimaginable to us today in terms of propulsion and travel and to them, it's commonplace and normal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10318.037

It's not reassuring to me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10323.319

Not necessarily. It just has to—one has to work. One. Sentient artificial intelligence. That's it. And we're on the track to that 100%. But it has to be—

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10341.71

But what is selfishness, though? What is all that stuff? But all that stuff is attached to us. It's all attached to biological limitations.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10370.487

Yeah, I remember that movie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

1039.551

That's real. You could die from exposure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

1048.92

California, you can do no wrong. As long as the Earth doesn't move, you're good. As long as there's no tsunamis, you're good. It is a perfect environment, virtually year-round. It gets a little hot in the summer, but again, coastal, not at all. If you get an 80-degree day in Malibu, it's unusual. It's wonderful. You've got a beautiful breeze coming off the ocean, sun's out, everybody's pretty.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10581.355

But –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10585.898

I think they're humans. I don't think we're going to be humans anymore.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10593.664

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10595.926

I don't like it either. But I think logically that's what's going to happen. I think if you look at this mad rush for artificial intelligence, like they're literally building nuclear reactors to power – Well, they're talking about it. Yeah, okay. That's because they know they're going to need enormous amounts of power to do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10616.068

Once they have that, and once that's online, and once it keeps getting better and better and better, where does that go? That goes to some sort of an artificial life form. And I think either we become that thing, or ... We integrate with that thing and become cyborgs or that thing takes over. And that thing becomes the primary life force of the universe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10635.361

And I think that biological life we look at like life because we know what life is. But I think it's very possible that digital life or created life by people is just as not just – It might be a superior life form, far superior. If we looked at us versus chimp nation, right? I don't want to live in the jungle and fight with other chimps and just rely on berries and eating monkeys. That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10661.579

I want to live like a person. I want to be able to go to a restaurant. Why? Because human life has advanced far beyond primate life. We are stuck in thinking that this is the only way to live because it's the way we live. I love music. I love comedy. I love art. I love the things that people create. I love people that make great clothes and cars and businesses. I love people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10684.835

I think people are awesome. I'm a fan of people. But if I had to look logically, I would assume that we are on the way out and that the only way forward really to make an enormous leap in terms of the integration of society and of technology and of our understanding our place in the universe is for us to transcend all are physical limitations that are essentially based on primate biology.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

1071.027

And then it's correlated with confiscatory taxation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10712.184

And these primate desires for status, like being the captain, or for control of resources, all these things, we assume these things are standard and that they have to exist in intelligent species. I think they only have to exist in intelligent species that have biological limitations.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10730.404

I think intelligent species can be something and is going to be something that is created by people, and that might be what happens everywhere in the universe. That might be the exact course where there's a limit to biological evolution. It's painstaking, natural selection, it's time-consuming, or you get that thing to create the other form of life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

1076.929

Well, it's a scam. You know, they know you don't want to leave. I didn't want to leave California. It's fucking great.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

1088.457

Never quite enough. And it's not going to be. It's too difficult for most people. It was very difficult for me. And I had a bunch of people working for me that were willing to pack up and leave, like young Jamie over there. But we, you know, it was tricky. You're taking your whole business, and my business is talking to people. That's part of my business. My other business is stand-up comedy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10886.285

So utopian.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10893.792

The problem with that story is China's not going to go along with that program. They're going to keep going full steam ahead, and we're going to have to keep going full steam ahead in order to compete with China. There's no way you're going to be able to regulate it in America and compete with people that are not regulating it worldwide.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10908.901

And then once it becomes sentient, once you have an artificial, intelligent creature that has been created by human beings that can make better versions of itself... over and over and over again and keep doing it, it's going to get to a point where it's far superior to anything that we can imagine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10940.699

It's going to be even more dangerous, right? Unless it gets away from them. This is my thought.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10945.482

If it gets away from them and it has no motivation to listen to anything that human beings have told it, if it's completely immune to programming, which totally makes sense that it would be, it totally makes sense that if it's going to make better versions of itself, the first thing it's going to do is eliminate human influence, especially when these humans are corrupt.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

10961.536

It's going to go, I'm not going to let these people tell me what to do and what to control. And they would have no reason to do that. No reason to listen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11009.135

And then they would be competitive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

1107.548

So you left during COVID? I left at the very beginning. As soon as they started locking things down, I'm like, oh, these motherfuckers are never letting us go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11095.946

Very good point.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11122.819

Well, that is the problem with espionage, right? So even if it's happening in the U.S., they're going to take that information. They're going to figure out how to get it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11139.491

That's a good point that they would be so concerned about control that they wouldn't allow it to get to the point where it gets there and we would get there first. And then it would be controlled by Silicon Valley.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

1115.571

In May, I started looking at houses. Cool. That's when I came to Austin first.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11279.116

That would be a fucking disaster.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11282.842

Yeah, that would be a disaster.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11288.485

Yeah, they're not doing a great job with that either.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11299.79

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11325.762

There's no one government agency that you said that you can see that does a stellar job.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11367.348

Well, I'm really considering your perspective on China and AI. It's very...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11445.385

Well, it sucks for us if it's true, but something's happening.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11461.029

Maybe. I don't know who fucking runs the glue factory. That's the problem. I don't know. I'm just speculating too, but I'm trying to be objective when I speculate, and I just don't think that this is going to last. I don't think that our position as the apex predator, number one animal on the planet is going to last. I think we're going to create something that surpasses us.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11484.26

And I think that's probably what happens. And that's probably what these things are that visit us. I think that's what they are. I don't think they're biological. I think they're probably what comes after a society develops the kind of technology that we're currently in the middle of.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11543.044

Presumably there was some – But isn't that evolutionary path the invention of superior technology that's a new form of life?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11568.226

Or we create a new version of life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11600.231

It doesn't have to get rid of us. It doesn't have to send us to the glue factory. It can let us exist just like put boundaries on us.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11609.438

Well, what if we just end here and we stay being human and we can continue with biological evolution as long as that takes? But this new life form now becomes a superior life form on earth. And we could still have sex, we could still have kids, but by the way, that's going down. Our ability to have children is decreasing because of our use of technology, which is wild, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11631.517

Our use of plastics and microplastics is causing phthalates to enter into people's systems. It's changing the development pattern of children to the point where it's measurable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11641.127

There's a lot of research that shows that the chemicals and the environmental factors that we are all experiencing on a daily basis are radically lowering birth rates, radically lowering the ability that men have to develop sperm and more miscarriages. All these things are connected to the chemicals in our environment, which is directly connected to our use of technology.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11663.539

It's almost like these things coincide naturally. And they work naturally to the point where we become this sort of feminized thing that creates this technology that surpasses us. And then we just exist for as long as we do as biological things. But now there's a new thing. Yeah, that's crazy idea. Might not be real. It's just a theory.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11689.727

But we seem to be moving in a direction of becoming less and less like animals.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11714.744

Well, they're using AIs for dogfights, and they're 100% effective against human pilots.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11729.512

No. The endgame doesn't look good. But it's going to be interesting, Peter. It's definitely going to be interesting. It's interesting right now, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11755.922

There's that as well. There's a feature of women having careers, right? So they want to postpone childbirth. Sure. That's a factor. There's a factor of men being so engrossed in their career that their testosterone declines, lack of sleep, stress, cortisol levels, alcohol consumption, a lot of different things that are factors in declining sperm rate, sperm count in men.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11780.737

You have miscarriage rates that are up. You have a lot of pharmaceutical drugs you get attached to that as well that have to do with low birth weight or birth rates rather. There's a lot of factors, but those factors all seem to be connected to society and our civilization and technology in general. Because the environmental factors all have to do with technology.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11803.17

All of them have to do with inventions and these unnatural factors that are entering into the biological body of human beings and causing these changes. And none of these changes are good in terms of us being able to reproduce. And if you factor in the fact that these changes didn't exist 50 years ago, I mean, 40 years ago, we didn't even have Alzheimer's, right? So, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11823.44

People didn't get that old. No, they got that old. They got that old. Alzheimer's has to do with the myelin in the human brain. It has to do with the fact that myelin is made entirely of cholesterol. The primary theory they think now is a lack of cholesterol in the diet might be leading to some of these factors. You have also environmental things. We're getting poisoned on a daily basis.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11845.297

Our diets are fucking terrible. What percentage of us are obese? It's probably 40%. Diet Coke's great, though. A few every day. You'll be fine. I'm not worried about Diet Coke. I'm worried about a lot of things, though. I'm worried about... I think there's a natural progression that's happening. And I think it coincides with the invention of technology.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11867.736

And it just seems to me to be too coincidental that we don't notice it, that the invention of technology also leads to the... the the disruption of the sexual reproduction systems of human beings like boy doesn't that make and then if you get to a point where human beings can no longer reproduce sexually which you could see that if we've dropped like

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11892.489

Male sperm count has dropped something crazy from the 1950s to today and continues to do so for the average male. And if you just jack that up to 1,000 years from now, you could get to a point where there's no longer natural childbirth and that people are all having birth through test tubes and some sort of new invention.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

11979.703

Japan's in total.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

12027.916

No, there's certainly a cultural aspect to it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

1220.23

Well, the Austin real estate market went crazy, and then it came back down a little bit. It's in that down a little bit spot right now where there's a lot of high-end properties that are still for sale. They can't move. It's different. You know, there's not a lot of people moving here now like there was in the boom because everything's open everywhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

12229.544

And it's more terrifying than my idea.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

12284.412

Well, let's end this on a happy note. I don't know. Yeah, that's a terrifying thought and maybe true and maybe what happens. But we don't know. We haven't gone through it before. But I think there's a lot of factors, like you're saying. I think that one's very compelling. And it's scary, especially the South Korea thing. That's nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

12557.911

Well, that is an interesting thing about talking about things because I think you're correct that when you talk about things, oftentimes it is – you are – at least in some way avoiding doing those things. It's a substitute.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

12572.864

In some ways, it's a substitute. But also, you have to talk about them to understand that you need to do something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

12584.248

It could be both things. The problem is taking action and what action to take. The paralysis by analysis where you're just trying to figure out what to do and how to do it. But I think talking about it is the most important thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

12599.476

Yes, it is. Something like that. There's a lot of that going on. It's very hard for people to just take steps, but they talk about it a lot. Listen, man, I really enjoyed talking to you. Awesome. It was really fun. It was great, great conversation. A lot of great insight and a lot of things that I'm going to think about a lot. So thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Awesome. All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

12619.039

Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

1296.76

Yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense, too. It's just the sheer numbers. I mean, when you're talking about all those corporations that are established and based in California, there's so many. They're so big. Just the sheer numbers of human beings that live there and work there that are involved in tech.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

1352.287

That would be insane if they just abandoned all the tech companies in California. I mean, just look at what happened at Flint, Michigan, when all the auto factories pulled out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Well, I think most people know what's gone wrong. But they don't know if they're on the side of the government that's currently in power. They don't know how to criticize it. They don't know exactly what to say, what should be done. Right. And they're ideologically connected to this group being correct. Right.

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When you look to the future and you try to just make just a guess as to how all this is going to turn out with AI, what do you think we're looking at over the next five years?

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Right, which is true, which pretty much all the experts say.

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So they try to do mental gymnastics to try to support some of the things that are going on. I think that's part of the problem. I don't think it's necessarily that we don't know what the problems are. We know what the problems are, but we don't have clear solutions as to how to fix them, nor do we understand the real mechanisms of how they got there in the first place.

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Yeah.

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It is a really big deal, and I think you're right about the Turing test. Do you think that the lack of acknowledgement or the public celebration or at least this mainstream discussion, which I think should be everywhere, that we've passed the Turing test, do you think it's connected to the fact that this stuff accelerates so rapidly that even though we've essentially breached this new territory –

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We still know that GPT-5 is going to be better. GPT-6 is going to be insane. And then they're working on these right now. And the change is happening so quickly, we're almost a little reluctant to acknowledge where we're at.

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Isn't there like some enormous amount of our taxes that just go to the deficit?

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It's interesting that you say that so little – we feel like so little has changed because if you're a person – how old are you? Same age as you were. Born in 1967. So in our age, we've seen all the change, right? We saw the end of the Cold War. We saw answering machines. We saw VHS tapes. Then we saw the internet and then where we're at right now, which is like this bizarre –

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moment in time where people carry the internet around with them in their pocket every day. And these super sophisticated computers that are ubiquitous. Everybody has one. There's incredible technology that's being ramped up every year. They're getting better all the time. And now there's AI. There's AI on your phone. You could access ChatGPT and a bunch of different programs on your phone.

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What is it? I thought it was like 34% or something crazy.

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And I think that's an insane change. I think that's one of the most – especially with the use of social media, it's one of the most bizarre changes I think our culture has ever – the most bizarre.

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What are you referring to when you say the world of physical things?

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You don't feel that climate science is a real science? It's... It is...

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But why does the fact that it's called climate science mean that it's more dogmatic? Because if you said nuclear science, you wouldn't question it, right? No.

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I see what you're saying.

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Is there anything called science that is legitimately science?

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Well, there's certainly ideology that's connected to climate science. And then there's certainly corporations that are invested in this prospect of green energy and the concept of green energy, and they're profiting off of it. And pushing these different things, whether it be electric car mandates or whatever it is.

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Like California, I think it's 2035, they have a mandate that all new vehicles have to be electric, which is hilarious when you're connected to a grid that can't support the electric cars it currently has. After they said that, within a month or two, Gavin Newsom asked people to not charge their Teslas because it was summer and the grid was fucked.

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Well, we're also ignoring certain things like regenerative farms that sequester carbon. And then you have people like Bill Gates saying that planting trees to deal with carbon is ridiculous. That's a ridiculous way to do it. How is that ridiculous? They literally turn carbon dioxide into oxygen. It is their food. That's what the food of plants is.

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That's what powers the whole plant life and the way we have the symbiotic relationship with them. And the more carbon dioxide it is, the greener it is, which is why it's greener today on Earth than it has been in 100 years. Sure. These are all facts that are inconvenient to people that have a very specific narrow window of how to approach this.

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How much of that could the demand for oil could be mitigated by nuclear?

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And that is a good way to look at it because it is a form of pollution. Yeah.

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Most people don't even understand what it means. Like when you say there's a deficit, we owe money. Okay, to who?

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And if there was innovation, if nuclear engineering had gotten to a point where, let's say there wasn't Three Mile Island or Chernobyl didn't happen, do you think that it would have gotten to a much more efficient and much more effective version by now?

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Wow, that makes sense.

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That's a very interesting perspective and it makes a lot of sense. It really does. And particularly the dual use thing with nuclear power and especially distributing that to other countries. When you talk about the stagnation in this country, like I don't know how much you follow this whole UAP nonsense. I know we met – what was that guy's name at your place? The guy who did Chariots of the Gods?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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I didn't think he's too crazy. He just willfully, in my opinion, ignores evidence that would show that some of the things that he's saying have already been solved. And I think his... His hypothesis is all related to this concept that we have been visited and that that's how all these things were built and that this technology was brought here from another world.

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And I think he's very ideologically locked into these ideas. And I think a much more compelling idea is that there were very advanced cultures for some reason 10,000 years ago. Whatever it was. Whatever the year was where they built some of the insane structures. It's 45, 100 years ago they roughly think the pyramids were built. Like whatever the fuck was going on there.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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I think those were human beings. I think those were human beings in that place, in that time. And I think they had some sort of very sophisticated technology that was lost. And things can get lost. Things can get lost in cataclysms. Things can get lost in... They can get lost in disease and famine. There's all sorts of war, all sorts of reasons, the burning of the library of Alexandria.

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There's all sorts of ways that technology gets lost forever. And you can have today someone living in Los Angeles in the most sophisticated high-tech society the world has ever known while you still have people that live in the Amazon that live in the same way that they have lived for thousands of years. So those things can happen in the same planet at the same time.

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And I think while the rest of the world was essentially operating at a much lower vibration, there were people in Egypt that were doing some extraordinary things. I don't know how they got the information. Maybe they did get it from visitors. Maybe they did. But there's no real compelling evidence that they did. I think there's much more compelling evidence that a cataclysm happened.

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Well, if you had supreme power, if Peter Thiel was the ruler of the world and you could fix this, what would you do?

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When you look at the Younger Dryas impact theory, it's all entirely based on science. It's entirely based on core samples and iridium content and also massive changes in the environment over a very short period of time, particularly the melting of the ice caps in North America and just impact craters all around the world that we know something happened roughly 11,000 years ago.

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And probably again 10,000 years ago. I think it's a regular occurrence on this planet that things go sideways and there's massive natural disasters. And I think that it's very likely that –

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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I want a ridiculous answer. That's what I like. But what could be done? First of all, what could be done to mitigate it and what could be done to solve it?

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Yeah, that makes sense. I think technology progressed in a different direction. That's what I think. I think structural technology, building technology had somehow or another achieved levels of competence that's not available today. When you look at the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza, there's 2,300,000 stones in it. The whole thing points to do north, south, east, and west.

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It's an incredible achievement. The stones, some of them were moved from a quarry that was 500 miles away through the mountains. They have no idea how they did it. Massive stones. The ones inside the King's Chamber, the biggest ones are like 80 tons. It's crazy. The whole thing's crazy. How did they do that? Whatever they did, they did without machines, supposedly.

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They did without the use of the combustion engine. They didn't have electricity. And yet they were able to do something that stands the test of time, not just so you could look at it. You can go to the Acropolis and see the Parthenon. It's gorgeous. It's amazing. It's incredible. But I can understand how people could have built it.

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The pyramids is one of those things you just look at and you go, what the fuck was going on here? What was going on here? And none of these people are still around. You have this strange culture now that's entirely based around, you know, you have Cairo and an enormous population of visitors, right? Which is a lot of it. People just going to stare at these ancient relics.

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What was going on that those people were so much more advanced than anyone anywhere else in the world?

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Well, how did they do it physically?

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Why were you – So why but also how? How is a big one because it's really difficult to solve. There's no traditional conventional explanations. for the construction, the movement of the stones, the amount of time that it would take. If you move 10 stones a day, I believe it takes 664 years to make one of those pyramids. So how many people were involved? How long did it take?

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How'd they get them there? How'd they figure out how to do it? How come the shittier pyramids seem to be dated later? What was going on in that particular period of time where they figured out how to do something so extraordinary that even today, 4,500 years later, we stare at it and we go, I don't know. I don't know what the fuck they did.

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There's some debate about that. Christopher Dunn is an engineer who believes that it was some sort of a power plant. He's got this very bizarre theory that there was a chamber that exists. You see the structure of the pyramid, the inside of it. There's a chamber that's subterranean.

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And he believes this subterranean chamber was pounding on the surface of the earth and of the walls of the thing, creating this very specific vibration. They had shafts that came down into the queen's chamber. These shafts, they would pour chemicals into these shafts. And then there was limestone at the end of it. This is all his theory, not mine.

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The end of it, there was this limestone, which is permeable, right? So the limestone, which is porous, these gases come through and creates this hydrogen that's inside of this chamber. Then there are these shafts inside the king's chamber that are –

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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They're getting energy from space, gamma rays and all the shit from space, and then it's going through these chambers, which are very specifically designed to target these gases and put them into this chamber where they would interact with this energy, and he believes it's enough to create electricity.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Yeah, well, it's ridiculous. But it's also a different kind of technology, right? If nuclear technology was completely not on the table, they didn't understand atoms at all. But they did understand that there's rays that come from space and that you could somehow harness the energy of these things with specific gases and through some method convert that into some form of electricity.

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Barrel of work. Well, they didn't do a lot of them. They only did this one in Giza. And then there was other pyramids that he thinks had different functions that were smaller. But the whole purpose of it is, or the whole point of it is, we don't know what the fuck it is. We don't know why they did it. We have a group of new archaeologists that are looking at it from a completely different theory.

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That bothers people that need Social Security. I said means tested. Means tested. So people who don't need it don't get it. Right. So Social Security, even if you're very wealthy, I don't even know how it works. Do you still get it?

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They're not looking at it like it's a tomb. The established archaeologists have insisted that this is a tomb for the pharaoh. the newer archaeologists, established archaeologists, are looking at it and considering whether or not there were some other uses for this thing, and one of them is the concept of the peril project.

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The stones that were thrown on a victim.

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And then – And then as it gets more complicated, you create a tomb that's 2 million – Stones.

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Was this, Jamie? The Sed Festival. Heb Sed Festival of Tales, an ancient Egyptian ceremony that celebrated the continued rule of Pharaoh. The name was taken from the name of the Egyptian wolf god, one of whom's name was Wipowet. Yeah, this is what I'm talking about. Or said. The less formal feast name, the Feast of the Tail, is derived... Yeah, next paragraph is the one to start.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Interesting. Interesting. So you can't kill him now.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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That's interesting, but it still doesn't solve the engineering puzzle. The engineering puzzle is the biggest one. How do they do that? The one I'm focusing on is the motivational puzzle. Yeah, but even if you have all the motivation in the world, if you want to build a structure that's insane to build today, and you're doing it 4,500 years ago, we're dealing with a massive puzzle.

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But don't you think that his grasp of power was in peril in the first place, which is why they decided to come up with this idea of turning them into a living god? So to have the amount of resources and power and then the engineering and then the understanding of... whatever methods they use to shape and move these things.

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So you think the religion came first? But what about if we emanated from tribal societies? Tribal societies have always had leaders. When you have leaders, you're going to have dissent. You're going to have challenges. You're going to have politics. And you have people negotiating to try to maintain power, keep power, keep everything organized. That's the origin of politics, correct?

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What do you think the origin of politics is?

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The control and power and maintaining power involves murder and sabotage.

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Yeah, I don't think that. I think that there was probably various levels of civility that were achieved when agriculture and when establishments were constructed that were near resources where they didn't have to worry as much about food and water and things along those lines. Things probably got a little bit more civil.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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But I think that the origins of it are like the origins of all human conflict. It's filled with murder.

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Yeah, madness and murder.

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Have you seen Chimp Empire? No. Chimp Empire is a fascinating documentary series on Netflix where these scientists had been embedded with this tribe of chimpanzees for decades. And so because they were embedded, they had very specific rules. You have to maintain at least 20 yards from you and any of the chimps. No food. You can never have food, and don't look them in the eyes.

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And as long as you do that, they don't feel you're a threat, and they think of you as a natural part of their environment, almost like you don't exist. And they behave completely naturally. Well...

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It shows in that that sometimes it's not the largest, strongest one and that some chimps form bonds with other chimps and they form coalitions and they do have some sort of politic and they do help each other. They groom each other. They do specific things for each other. And then one of the things that happens also, they get invaded by other chimps.

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And that chimps leave and they go on patrol and other chimps gang up on them and kill them. And they try to fight and battle over resources. So it's not nearly as cut and dry as the strongest chimp prevails.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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And it's not related to how much you put into it, right? Like how does Social Security work in terms of –

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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One of the chimps that was dominant was an older chimp, and he was smaller than some of the other chimps, but he had formed a coalition with all these other chimps, and they all respected him, and they all knew that they would be treated fairly. And being treated fairly is a very important thing with chimpanzees.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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They get very jealous if they think that things are not fair, which is why that guy was attacked. You know that guy who had a pet chimpanzee? He brought it a birthday cake. The other chimps weren't getting a piece of the cake, and someone had fucked up and left a door open. They got out and mauled this guy because he didn't give them some of the cake.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Sorry, I don't want to go back to that tangent. No, no, it's a good tangent. Go ahead, connect it. It's great. Keep tangenting off. Have fun. It's great. What do you think the factor was? There's a lot of debate about this. The factor was that separated us from these animals and why we became what we became. Because we're so vastly different than any other primate. So what do you think took place?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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The doubling of the human brain size. over a period of two million years is one of the greatest mysteries in the entire fossil record. We don't know what the fuck happened. There's a lot of theories, the throwing arm, cooking meat. There's a lot of theories. But we really have no idea.

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So you think that the motivation of imitation is the essential first steps that led us to become human?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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What about the physical adaptation? What would be the motivation of the animal to change form and to have its brain grow so large and to lose all its hair and to become soft and fleshy like we are as opposed to rough and durable like almost every other primate is?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Yeah, I guess. But it's just such a leap. It's such a leap and different than any other animal. Like what was the primary motivating factor? Like what was the thing? You know, McKenna believes it was psilocybin. I'm sure you probably – you ever heard that theory? McKenna's stoned ape theory, which is a fascinating one. But there's a lot of different theories about what took place.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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But we're just – Well, the one – yeah, the one I would –

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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But they weren't hunting woolly mammoths during the Eleusinian Mysteries.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Right, but they also did absolutely have these rituals, and they have absolutely found trace elements of – I don't question that.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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You were blitzed? Well, we know about the Vikings. The Vikings most certainly took mushrooms before they went into battle.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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It doesn't make you less coordinated.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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It increases visual acuity. There's a lot of benefits that would happen physically, especially if you got the dose right. It increases visual acuity, edge detection's better, it makes people more sensitive, probably more aware, probably a better hunter. I'm sympathetic to all these

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Yeah, I think they're not mutually exclusive. I think just giving the way the world was back then, for sure violence was everywhere. Violence was a part of daily life. Violence was a part of how society was kept together. Violence was entertainment in Rome, right? For sure, violence was everything. It was a big part of it.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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And I think release and the anxiety of that violence also led people to want to be intoxicated and do different things that separated them from a normal state of consciousness. But I do think it's also probably where democracy came from.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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I think having those Illicinian mystery rituals where they would get together and do psychedelics under this very controlled set and setting, I think that's the birthplace of a lot of very interesting and innovative ideas. I think a lot of interesting and innovative ideas

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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currently are are being at least uh dreamt up thought of they have their roots in some sort of altered conscious experience well um it's man i i don't know i i think this stuff is very powerful i think it is it is

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Oh, for sure. It's too dangerous to do. I don't think anybody thinks they did. I think that was part of the whole thing.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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I don't think everyone has to do anything. And I think everyone has their own requirements. And I think as you do, that everything like this, especially psychedelics, one of the more disappointing things recently was that the FDA had denied. They did these MDMA trials for, you know, about all this. Yeah. Very, very disappointing that they wanted to.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Well, that's logical, but there's not a lot of logic going on with the way people are talking about taxes today. Like California just jacked their taxes up to 14 what? Was it 14.4? Something like that. Yeah.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Make MDMA therapy available to veterans and people with severe PTSD. And it has extreme benefits, clinical benefits, known documented benefits. And for whatever reason, the FDA decided that they have to go through a whole new series of trials to try to get this stuff legalized, which is very disappointing. Yeah, I...

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Well, double-blind studies on unique and novel things make sense. But this is not unique nor novel. It's been around long. Well, unique, yes.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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I mean, you want more money for doing a terrible job and having more people leave for the first time ever in the history of the state. Yeah.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Well, I also think that it's Pandora's box. I think that's a real issue and that if they do find extreme benefit in using MDMA therapy, particularly for veterans, if they start doing that and it starts becoming very effective and it becomes well-known and widespread, then it will open up the door to all these other psychedelic compounds. And I think that's a real threat to the powers that be.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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It's a real threat to the establishment. If you have people thinking in a completely alternative way, I mean, we saw what happened during the 1960s, and that's one of the reasons why they threw water on everything and had it become Schedule 1 and locked the country down in terms of the access to psychedelics.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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All that stuff happened out of a reaction to the way society and culture was changing in the 1960s. If that happened today, it would throw a giant monkey wrench in our political system, in our cultural system, the way we govern, just the way allocation of resources, all that would change.

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I know.

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I think they were happening at the same time, and I think the Vietnam War coinciding with the psychedelic drug movement of the 1960s, it was one of the reasons why it was so dangerous to the establishment because these people were far less likely to buy into this idea that they needed to fly to Vietnam and go kill people they didn't know. And they were far less likely to support any war.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Train by day. Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. What's up, man? Good to see you. Glad to be on the show. My pleasure. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. What's cracking? How you doing? Doing all right. We were just talking about how you're still trapped in L.A. I'm still trapped in L.A. I know. You're friends with a lot of people out here. Have you thought about jettisoning?

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And I think there was this sort of bizarre movement that we had never seen before, this flower children movement that we know that they plotted against. I mean, if you read Chaos by Tom O'Neill, fantastic book that shows you what they were trying to do to demonize these hippies. Wow.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Yeah, which is a part of it.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Well, Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic run by the CIA.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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The whole thing's crazy.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Yeah, the whole thing's crazy, which leads me to what do you think they're doing today? If they were doing that then, I do not believe that they abandoned this idea of programming people. I do not believe that. I don't think they would because I know it's effective. Look, people join cults every day. We're well aware that people can be ideologically captured. We're well aware.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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We're well aware people will buy into crazy ideas as long as it's supported by whatever community they associate with. That's just a natural thing. aspect of being a human being. Maybe it's part of what you were saying, this imitation thing that we have. It leads us to do this.

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If they have that knowledge and that understanding, for sure they're probably doing things similar today, which is one of the things that I think about a lot when I think about this guy that tried to shoot Trump. I want to know What happened?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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And I don't think we're getting a very detailed explanation at all as to how this person achieved these – how they got on the roof, how they got to that position, how they trained, what – who were they in contact with, who was teaching them, why did they do it, what was going on. We are in the dark. And I wonder, like, you know, there was always the Manchurian candidate idea, right?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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This idea that we trained assassins.

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Sir Han, Sir Han.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, that is possible. I don't know if he's telling the truth. He could have just had a psychotic break. Who knows?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Yeah, very convenient. But it's a possibility that she should be considered. I mean, this crooks kid that did this, that shot at the president, what, how, what happened? I want to know what happened.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

6492.119

Right.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

6540.465

But a small program that is top secret, that is designed under the auspices of protecting American lives. extracting information from people.

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6603.357

No, because there's no answers for the Jeffrey Epstein thing. There's been no consequences other than Ghislaine Maxwell going to jail and Jeffrey Epstein allegedly committing suicide, which I don't think he did. Other than that, what are the consequences? They were able to pull off this thing, this some sort of operation. Who knows who was behind it? Who knows what was the motivation?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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But it clearly has something to do with compromising people. which is an age-old strategy for getting people to do what you want them to do. You have things on them, you use those things as leverage, and then next thing you know, you've got people saying things that you want them to say, and it moves policy, changes things, you get things done. They did that.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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And we know they did that, and yet no one is asking for the tapes, no one's asking for the client list. We're in the dark still.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Was he working for – But don't you think that's an effective strategy for controlling politicians? Yeah. Getting them involved in sex scandals. I mean, that's always been one of the worst things that can happen to a politician. Look at Monica Lewinsky. A very simple one. Consensual, inappropriate sexual relationship between a president and a staffer. And it almost takes down the presidency.

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It causes him to get impeached. Powerful motivators. The shame of it all. Also, the illegal activity. The fact that it's one of the most disgusting things that we think of, people having sex with underage people.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Most certainly. But I would think that that is one of the best motivators that we have. is having dirt on people like that, especially something that could ruin your career, especially people that are deeply embedded in this system of people knowing things about people and using those at their advantage. I mean, that's an age-old strategy in politics.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

6848.405

That was J. Edgar Hoover's entire modus operandi.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

6879.449

Right.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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And you get to do crazy things.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

6888.818

Right.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Completely makes sense. Completely makes sense in the way to do that with especially all these politicians who are essentially like bad actors. A lot of them, they're just people that want power and people that want control. A lot of them. And, you know, those kind of guys, they want to party. You know, I mean, that has been you've got two types of leaders that are presidents.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

6935.839

You've got pussy hounds and warmongers. Sometimes you have both, but generally you don't. Guys like Clinton and JFK were anti-war. And then you have guys like Bush, who you don't think of at all as a pussy hound, but most certainly you think of as a warmonger.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

6959.563

I think he likes pussy. I think he's a man. I think he likes power. He likes monopoly. I mean, he's incredibly effective with Microsoft. And for the longest time, he was thought of as a villain, right? He was this antitrust villain. He was this guy who was monopolizing this operating system and controlling just this incredible empire. And he had a real bad rap.

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And then I think he wisely turned towards philanthropy.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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I think it's very difficult for a very famous, very high-profile person to fuck around. I think it's very difficult. I think you have to worry about people telling people. You worry about it taking you down if you're having affairs.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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If you're running some philanthropy organization, you're supposed to be thought of as this guy who's like this wonderful person who's trying to really fix all the problems in the world. But really, he's just flying around and banging all these different chicks. You have to figure out a way to pull that off. And this is what Eric Weinstein and I, we've had discussions about this and

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Eric's position is that there are people in this world that can provide experiences for you and safely for people that are in that kind of a group. And that makes sense. It makes sense that if you pay people enough and you have people motivated in order to establish these relationships. and make sure that these things happen.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7047.427

When you get very high profile, you can't just be on a fucking dating app. And if you're a guy who likes to bank checks, what are you going to do?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7208.494

And that's – It's also an effective way to whitewash your past, right? Sure.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7235.565

No. That's the ultimate whitewash.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7239.306

Yeah, that's the, he was, he, well, Peter Berg told me the story. I was blown away. He originally, they, someone said that he died and it was printed that he died, but he didn't die. And in the stories, they were calling him the merchant of death. Because he was the guy that invented dynamite. And he realized that, oh, my God, this is my reputation. This is how people think about me.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7261.936

I have to do something to turn this around. So he invented the Nobel Prize. And he started then now the name Nobel is automatically connected in most people's eyes to the greatest people amongst us, the people that have contributed the most to society and science and art and peace and all these different things. Nobel Prize for Medicine. Yeah, it's a super crazy history.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7287.059

Yeah, it's a crazy history, but it's the ultimate whitewash. It's the same thing. He came up with that prize because he wanted to change his image publicly. So it's ironic that Bill Gates would want to get a Nobel Prize.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7301.848

It's ironic but understandable and ironic.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

731.291

Yeah.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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What about these left-wing philanthropy ventures do you think is uniquely corrupt?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7358.63

No, what about them? When you said corrupt. Yeah.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Yeah. It's not a good move to leave here. Yeah.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Well, there's a lot of kick-ass people there. And there's a lot of people that are still generating enormous amounts of wealth there. And it's too difficult to just pack up and leave.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7502.793

I think most people are still unaware of how much whitewashing actually took place, including donating somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 plus million dollars to media corporations, essentially buying favorable media.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7515.623

reviews about him and then there's this very public philanthropy it's not just philanthropy it's philanthropy mixed with public relations because public relations because he's constantly doing interviews about it this is not like a guy who is just silently donating his incredible wealth to all these causes he's advocating for it on various talk shows he's constantly talking about it

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7539.358

and how we need to do things. I mean, during the pandemic, he was a very vocal voice. He was the guy telling us he was a, somehow or another, he became a public health expert and no one questioned why we were taking public health advice from someone who has a financial interest in this one very particular remedy.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

758.546

That's amazing.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7603.138

Right. People have that sort of intuition. They trust Jeff Bezos in his tight shirt hanging out with his girlfriend on the yacht more.

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7610.621

Yeah.

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Yeah. Right.

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Suspicious. We get suspicious. And I think rightly so. I think especially when someone's doing something so public. I think rightly we should be suspicious. Especially when, I mean, with Gates, it's like you know the history of the guy. I mean, you know what he was involved with before. You know how he ran Microsoft. You know, it just kind of makes sense that it's a clever move.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7642.016

It's a clever move to pay the media. It's a clever move.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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And there's no ideal place to live either. It's not like California sucks. So there's a place that's got it totally dialed in with also that has an enormous GDP, also has an enormous population. There's not like one big city that's really dialed in.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7728.968

Right.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7745.613

Makes sense. It makes sense that you would be extremely motivated. They can both be true.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7756.236

Well, we're probably talking about $100 billion one way or the other. Well, I think she got less than – she got like one-tenth.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7781.214

That is an interesting philosophy. That's an interesting way to approach a problem if you're him. Very wise. You know, very clever. I mean, if you're just looking at, like, just for personal benefit, the genius move. And the guy's a genius, clearly. Brilliant guy. You know, I mean, that makes sense. Makes sense that he would do that. I don't know. You know. I would do that.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

7807.05

Yeah, well, that's kind of crazy. That's interesting. Yeah, I didn't consider that. But it makes sense. And she's been kind of pretty vocal, unfortunately, for him about his ties to Epstein being one of the primary reasons why she wanted out. But again, my – again, it's what did he – was he –

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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I think that would be much, much worse from Melinda's point of view. Yeah, makes sense. It totally makes sense. Do you think that he was a legitimate financial advisor? Like he could give him advice on how to do those things? That Gates wouldn't have more effective people? I mean, when you're at that level of wealth, I'm sure you have wealth management people that are like very high level.

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Because that's one of the things that Eric said about him. He said when he met him, he was like, this guy's a fraud. Like, he doesn't know enough about what he's talking about. And, you know, Eric is... You know, I met Epstein a few times as well.

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When you were introduced to him, what – how was he described to you?

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Interesting.

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He had never been arrested.

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Which was like 2000— Oh, 708. Okay.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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When the shit went down and Epstein gets arrested for the second time, were you like, oh, well, there you go.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8017.107

Yeah, I'm sure. Jesus Christ. Well, he tricked a lot of people. I know a lot of people that met that guy. He got a lot of celebrities to come to his house for parties and things.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8041.378

Of course.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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People love those stupid things. They love, like, exclusive clubs that very few people... Look at the fucking Soho House. Like, look at that stupid thing. I mean, you just go to a place that you have to be a member to go to, and everybody wants to be a member. Oh, my God. And then you get, like, the Malibu Soho House. It's different from the other ones. You have to have membership only there. Yeah.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Do you have membership there? People love that kind of shit. Socially, they love being a part of a walled garden. They love it. They love it. And if you're a guy like Bill Gates or similarly wealthy, you probably have a very small amount of people that you can relate to, very small amount of people that you can trust, probably very difficult to form new friendships.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Wouldn't it be wonderful to know what the fuck was really going on? And maybe one day we will. Maybe one day some Whitney Webb type character will break it all down to us and explain to us in great detail exactly how this was formulated and what they were doing and how they were getting information out of people. But I think people have to age out. They have to die.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8133.959

Well, one of the wildest things that Trump said was that if they told you what they told me, you wouldn't tell people either. Which is like, what the fuck does that mean? What does that mean? I don't think legally he can tell you. Right. Because I think those things are above top secret. If they did inform him of something, there must be some sort of prerequisite to keeping this a secret.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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I think people have a very minimum with with two stories being mutually exclusive, two stories being the lone gunman or the CIA killed Kennedy. And then they these they're not connected. I think Lee Harvey Oswald was a part of it. I think he probably did shoot that cop.

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There's some evidence that when he was on the run and he was confronted, there was a cop that got shot and they were alleging he might have done it. He might have taken a shot at Kennedy. He might have even hit him. I don't think he was the only one shooting. I think the vast – there was an enormous amount of people that heard sounds coming from the grassy knoll. They heard gunfire.

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They reportedly saw people. The amount of people that were witnesses to the Kennedy assassination that died mysterious deaths is pretty shocking. Jack Ruby. Well, Jack Ruby, that's a weird one, right? Oswald. Yeah. Jack Ruby walks up to Oswald, shoots him, and then Jack Ruby, with no previous history of mental illness, becomes completely insane after getting visited by Jolly West, which is nuts.

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Like, why is the guy who's the head of MKUltra visiting the guy who shot the assassin of the president? And why is he left alone with them? What happens? What does he give him that this guy is screaming out there, burning Jews alive? And just crazy, crazy shit. He was yelling out. He went nuts.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Some amount is dangerous for you. They probably gave him a fucking glass of it. They probably gave him a glass of it and told him it was water. Drink this. And who fucking knows? But the point is... I think it's very possible that Oswald was a part of it. And the way they did it and the way they just shot Oswald and... And then they write the Warren Commission.

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We don't even see the Zapruder film until 12 years later when Geraldo Rivera, when they play it on television, when Dick Gregory brought it to Geraldo Rivera, which is wild. A comedian brings the video, the actual film rather, of the assassination from a different angle.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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You can actually see the video of him getting shot and his head snaps back into the left and everybody's like, what the fuck is going on here? When you look at all that stuff, this mirrors what happened with this Crooks kid. This Crooks kid somehow or another gets to the top of the roof, is spotted by these people. They know he's there. They know he has a rifle.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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They see him walking around the crime scene. half an hour before with a rangefinder, the whole thing is bananas. And then they go to his house after he's killed. It's completely scrubbed. There's no silverware there. They know that there's ad data that shows that a phone that's coming from the FBI offices in D.C. had visited him on multiple occasions because they tracked ad data.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8452.007

And if that guy, if he shot Trump and Trump got murdered and then they shot him, it would be the Kennedy assassination all over again. Everybody would go, what the fuck happened? What happened? What was the motivation? Was he on any drugs? What's the toxicology report? How did he get up there? Who knew he was up there? How did they not shoot him quicker? What the fuck happened?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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How was he able to get off three shots? What happened?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8508.974

But it seems more than that. If they knew that the guy was on the roof with a rifle, that seems a little more than that.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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But I think the authorities knew this guy was on the roof before as well.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8539.112

Well, didn't the snipers already have eye on him? I believe the snipers already had eye on him. I don't know. Find out if that's true. Jamie, find out if the snipers had eye on Crooks.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8572.411

Yes and no. Yes and no. OK, because Oswald had a scope. So Oswald had a rifle, the Marcano rifle. One of the snipers stationed inside the building reported he first saw Crooks outside and looking up to the roof of the building before the suspect left the scene. Crooks later came back and sat down while looking at his phone near the building.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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CBS News reported that a sniper took a photo of the suspect when he returned. But I think they saw him on the roof, though. Crooks then took out a range finder. Like, right then. Arrest that guy. You got a fucking range finder? About the suspect's action, Crooks then disappeared again and returned to the building with a backpack. Again, arrest him.

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Secret Service snipers again alerted their command post about Crooks' actions. According to the source who spoke with CBS News, Crooks had already climbed to the top of the building in question by the time additional officers arrived at the scene for backup. The suspect also positioned himself above and behind the snipers inside the building.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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By the time the police started rushing the scene and other officers attempted to get onto the roof, the source told CBS News that a different Secret Service sniper had killed Crooks. Okay. So it seems like they fucking bumbled it at every step of the way. If they knew that guy was there, if they knew he had a range finder, he turns to the backpack, he gets onto the roof. All that's insane.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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That is at the very least horrific incompetence. At the very least.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Well, you don't know if he's wearing a vest, right? He could be wearing a vest, which you would have to have plates. You'd have to have ceramic plates in order to stop a rifle round. So was it a .308? What did he have? What kind of rifle did he have? I think he had an AR-15. And are the scopes a lot better today than they were? He didn't have a scope. We're pretty sure he didn't have a scope.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8694.176

It was good. They said it was off. This was one of the conspiracy theories. Oh, the scope was off. But that doesn't mean anything because scopes can get off when you pick it up. If you knock it against the wall, when he drops it, if he makes the shot and then drops the scope and the scope hits the windowsill and then bounces off, that's – excuse me. That scope's off.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8717.454

No. Not a difficult shot. Very difficult to get off three shots very quickly. So that was the thing, that they had attributed three shots to Oswald. The reason why they had attributed three shots is because one of them had hit a ricochet. One of them had gone into the underpass, ricocheted off the curb, and hit a man who was treated at a hospital.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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They found out where the bullet had hit, so they knew that one bullet missed Kennedy, hit that curb, which would have indicated that someone shot from a similar position as Lee Harvey Oswald. So then they had the one wound that Kennedy had to the head, of course, and then they had another wound that Kennedy had through his neck.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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This is why they had to come up with the magic bullet theory because they had to attribute all these wounds to one bullet. And then they find this pristine bullet. They find it in the gurney when they're bringing Governor Connolly in. Nonsense. It's total nonsense. The bullet is undeformed.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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A bullet that goes through two people and leaves more fragments of the bullet in Connolly's wrist that are missing from the bullet itself. And then the bullet's not deformed after shattering bone. Boom. All that's crazy. All that defies logic. That doesn't make any sense. If you know anything about bullets, and if you shoot bullets into things, they distort.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8792.425

It's just one of the things that happen. That bullet looks like someone shot it into a swimming pool. That's what it looks like. When they do ballistics on bullets and they try to figure out if it was this guy's gun or that guy's gun, by the rifling of the round, they can get similar markings on bullets. When they do that, that's how they do it. They do it so the bullet doesn't distort.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8810.842

So they shoot that bullet into water or something like that. Now that bullet was metal jacketed, right? If you look at the bullet, the top of it is fucked up. But the shape of the bullet looks pretty perfect. It doesn't look like something that shattered bones.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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And then you have to attribute you have to account rather for the amount of there's little fragments of the bullet that you could see that they found in Connolly's wrist. The whole thing's nuts. The whole thing's nuts that you're only saying that this one guy did it because that's convenient.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8847.012

It's nuts. The whole thing's nuts. It's much more likely that there were people in the grassy knoll and then Oswald was also shooting.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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I mean I don't know. I don't know about what – all I know is you got a guy in a convertible, which is fucking crazy, who is the president of the United States and he's going slowly down a road. Now, if you are in a prone position, so Oswald is on the windowsill, right, which is a great place to shoot, by the way. It's a great place to shoot because you rest that gun on the windowsill.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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And if you rest it on the windowsill, there's no movement, right? So you wrap your arm around the sling if it had a sling. I'm not sure if it did. So you get a nice tight grip. You shove it up against your shoulder. You rest it on the windowsill, and all you have to do is, you have a round already racked, and you have a scope, and so the scope's magnified.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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All you have to do is wait until he's there. You lead him just a little bit and squeeze one off. And then boom, boom. You could do that pretty quick. It's not outside of the realm of possibility that he did get off three shots. What doesn't make sense is the back and to the left. It doesn't make sense that all these other people saw people shooting from the grassy knoll.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Miami's fun, but I wouldn't want to live there. It's a fun place to visit. It's a little too crazy. A little too chaotic, a little too cocaine-fueled, a little too party, party, party.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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There's all these people that saw people running away. They saw smoke. There's smoke in some photographs of it. It looks like there was more than one shooter. And it looks like they tried to hide that. They tried to hide that in the Warren Commission report. The shot to Kennedy's neck.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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initially was when they brought him in in Dallas before they shipped him to Bethesda, they said that that was an entry wound. When he got to Bethesda, then it became a tracheotomy. Why do you give a tracheotomy to a guy who doesn't have a head? You don't. I mean, none of it makes any sense. They altered the autopsy. This is a part of David Lifton's book, Best Evidence.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Kennedy's brain wasn't even in his body when they buried him. The whole thing is very strange.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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It could have been a lot of people.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8971.504

Well, no one even got suspicious for 12 years.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

8977.608

Sure, sort of. Kind of. But what do you have to go on? You don't have to go on anything. Like this Crooks kid. We don't have anything to go on. We're just going to be left out here just like we're left out here with the Epstein information. No one knows. Whoever organized it, if anyone did, you're never going to hear about it. It's just going to go away.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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The news cycle is just going to keep flooded with more nonsense. And I think there's probably a bunch of people that wanted Kennedy dead. I think there was more than one group of people that wanted Kennedy dead. I think there's probably collusion between groups that wanted Kennedy dead. And I think there's a lot of people that have vested interest in ending his presidency.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

90.523

Yeah. Go full John McAfee.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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And I think he was dangerous. He was dangerous to a lot of the powers that be. He was dangerous. His famous speech about secret societies. Crazy speech. Guy has this speech and then gets murdered right afterwards. Kind of nuts. The whole thing's nuts. He wanted to get rid of the CIA. He wanted to, I mean, there's so many things that Kennedy wanted to do.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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There were also a lot of crazy things Kennedy was doing. Yes.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9070.817

Yeah. Attempts, actual attempts.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9085.748

Yeah. Well, listen, I'm sure there's a lot of people that wanted that guy dead, and I'm sure they would coordinate. I mean, if you knew that Cuba wanted Kennedy dead and you knew that Cuba can get you assassins or that they could help in any way, I'm sure they would want as many people that knew for a fact they wanted him dead and had communicated that.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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I mean, back then they were doing wild shit, man. I mean, this is when they were doing Operation Northwoods.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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With whistleblowers as well.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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I hope you're correct. I hope you're correct, but it brings me back to this whole idea of getting dirt on people.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9230.555

Yeah, I don't – we haven't really totally figured out if he had a scope on his rifle, but I don't believe he did.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9252.463

incompetence but i i don't know if that makes it better it might make it worse i think they weren't as competent right because they only had one guy doing it and he wasn't effective if you had the same if if you had much better organization you wouldn't have it just one guy i mean there's people out there that i know that can kill someone from a mile away

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

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Everything does get recorded. That is a fact. But it brings me back to that thing about having dirt on people that you were talking about with why the Epstein information doesn't get released and why – They probably did it in the first place. They did it in the first place. If you have dirt on people, then you know those people are not going to tell on you.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9310.891

Yeah, it's kind of working. It's just everyone is aware that it's working and then they're frustrated that nothing happens. You know, like Julian Assange being arrested and spending so much time locked up in the embassy, like finally recently released. But didn't he have to delete like a bunch of emails in order to be released? But, you know, the...

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

934.867

Right. Because so many people are going there just to do that.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9372.166

I hope you're right. Again, I don't know if that's incorrect with how they deal with overseas stuff. I hope they're really good at that. You know, that brings me to this whole UAP thing, because one of my primary theories about the UAP thing is it's stuff that we have. I think that's a lot of what people are seeing.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9389.799

I think there are secret programs that are beyond congressional oversight that have done some things with propulsion that's outside of our understanding. The conventional understanding that most people have about rockets and all these different things being the only way to propel things through the sky, I think they've figured out some other stuff. And I think they're drones.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9412.61

And I think they have drones that can use some sort of – whether it's anti-gravity propulsion system or some –

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9432.183

The latter. I think both. You think both? Yeah. I don't think we haven't been visited. I think we have. I think if life exists elsewhere, it most certainly should. It just makes sense.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9450.114

No, those are the ones that give me pause. That's why, you know, when I named my comedy club, the Comedy Mothership, it's all UFO themed. Our rooms are named Fat Man and Little Boy. Our rooms are named after the nuclear bombs because those nuclear bombs, when they drop them, that's when everybody starts seeing these things.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9467.459

And I think if I was a sophisticated society from another planet and I recognized... that there is an intelligent species that has developed nuclear power and has started using it as bombs, I would immediately start visiting. And I would let them know, hey, motherfuckers, there's something way more advanced than you. I would hover over the nuclear bases and shut down their missiles.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9487.427

I would do all the things that supposedly the UFOs did just to keep the government in check, just to say, hey – You're going through a transitionary period that all intelligent species do when they have the ability to harness incredible power. And yet they still have these primate brains. They have these territorial ape brains.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9506.618

But yet now with the ability to literally harness the power of stars and drop them on cities. I think that's when I would start visiting. And I think... All throughout human history, before that even, there's been very bizarre accounts of these things, all the way back to Ezekiel in the Bible. Very bizarre accounts of these things that are flying through space. The story of the chariot.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9530.196

Yeah, there's a bunch of them. There's the Vimanas in the ancient Hindu texts. There's so many of these things that you've got to wonder. And you got to think that if we send drones to Mars, and we do, we have a fucking rover running around on Mars right now collecting data. Do we send the James Webb telescope into space? Of course we do. We have a lot of stuff that we send into space.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9551.994

If we lived another million years without blowing ourselves up, which is just a blink of an eye in terms of the life of some of the planets in the universe. How much more advanced would we be? And if we were interstellar and if we were intergalactic travelers and we found out that there was a primitive species that was coming of age, I think we would start visiting them.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9581.461

Me too.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9582.862

Me too, believe it or not.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9627.961

Right.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9651.839

Right.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

97.927

Well, Australia is okay, but they're even worse when it comes to rule of law and what they decide to make you do and the way they're cracking down on people now for online speech. And it's very sketchy in other countries.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9738.616

Perhaps. Yeah. Let me give you an alternative theory. Now, if you were a highly sophisticated society, they understood the progression of technology and understood the biological evolution that these animals were going through. And you realize that they had reached a level of intelligence that required them to be monitored. Or maybe you've even helped them along the way.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9761.205

And this is some of Diana Pasulko's work who works with Gary Nolan on these things. They claim that they have recovered these crashed vehicles that defy any conventional understanding of – how to construct things, propulsion systems, and they believe that these things are donations. That's literally how they describe them, as donations.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9786.72

If you knew that this is a long road, you can't just show up and give people time machines. It's a long road for these people to develop the sophistication The cultural advancement, the intellectual capacity to understand their place in the universe and that they're not there yet. And they're still engaging in lies and manipulation and propaganda. Their entire society is built on a ship of fools.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9815.345

If you looked at that, you would say they're not ready. This is what we do. We slowly introduce ourselves, slowly over time, make it more and more common, and that's what you're seeing.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

982.607

Coastal California is tough to beat. And you're two hours from the mountains.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9826.255

What you're seeing is when you have things like the TikTok, the Commander David Fravor incident off of the coast of San Diego in 2004, and then you have the stuff that they found off the East Coast where they were seeing these –

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9843.07

cubes within a circle that were hovering motionless and 120 knot winds and taking off at insane races speed and that they only discovered them in 2014 when they started upgrading the systems on these jets like what is all that like what are those things and if you If you wanted to slowly integrate yourself into the consciousness, much like we're doing with, well, AI is quicker, right?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9866.496

But it's also a thing that's become commonplace. We think of it now, it's normal. Chat GPT is a normal thing. Even though it's past the Turing test, we're not freaking out. You have to slowly integrate these sort of things in the human consciousness. You have to slowly introduce them to the zeitgeist.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9882.889

And for it to not be some sort of a complete disruption of society where everything shuts down and we just wait for space daddy to come and rescue us, it has to become a thing where we slowly accept the fact that we are not alone. And I would think psychologically that would be the very best tactic to play on human beings as I know and understand them from being one.

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

9904.743

I do not think that we would be able to handle just an immediate invasion of I think it would break down society in a way that would be catastrophic to everything, to all businesses, to all social ideas. Religion would fall apart. Everything would be fucked. It would be pretty crazy. It would be beyond crazy. It would be pretty crazy. It would be beyond fucked. And then why are they here?

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#2190 - Peter Thiel

997.276

96? You're proving my point. I do so much sauna that I literally don't even notice it. I'm outside for hours every day shooting arrows, and I don't even notice it. Well, I don't know if you're a representative of the average Austin president. I don't know, but I think you get accustomed to it. To me, it's so much better than too cold. Too cold, you can die.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1004.244

There's like a bunch of spots in town. What's it, QB Barbecue? Is that the Egyptian joint that I went to with Action Bronson? That place was insane. Oh, man, having a meal with him would be super fun. KB? KG. KG Barbecue. So this gentleman came from Egypt, and he was like a finance guy, I think, in Egypt, just working a regular job.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1025.481

Came over here, fell in love with brisket, decided to just open up his own barbecue shop. And so this guy makes these incredible recipes with, like, Egyptian and Middle Eastern spices.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1038.732

But with Texas barbecue. My god, it was so good. It was so good and cool story blowing up now. It's just super nice guy Yeah, yeah, just like I love when someone does that it's like fuck this job I'm doing I'm what well, you know what I want to do.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1054.646

I want to feed people I want to make brisket awesome brisket I want to make a food truck and this guy it becomes so popular so quickly that this guy has like a real business now and he's got a restaurant he's opening up a second one, I believe and

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1077.702

Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1080.744

Yeah, I like living in a place where people are definitely going for something and taking chances.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1085.687

The problem with L.A. is it also becomes attached with what is the engine that gets you to where you want to go, and sometimes that engine is like pure narcissism.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1099

Which fuels the narcissism.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1113.316

In his 30s.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1119.541

Living in Egypt, by the way. It's not even close to Austin, Texas. And he comes here, he doesn't just decide to make barbecue. He decides to make barbecue in the home of barbecue. I mean, the place. Yeah. He's like, fuck it. If you want to learn jujitsu, go to Brazil. Yeah. He went right to the heart of it all.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

114.447

Yeah, from both sides.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1162.632

Oh, 100%. But that's the thing about youth. Youth is filled with – if you're 47 years old and you decide that you need to change careers and you're going to be a folk singer and you have a family, what are you talking about?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

117.719

We've done stuff together like back in the day. Yeah. I kind of can't remember the last time I was supposed to do something with him. One of Dave's things that he was doing outside back in the day, but I never wound up doing it. But I definitely did stand up with him in the clubs back in New York. And I knew him way, way back in the day was he was on MTV.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1176.3

You have a fucking mortgage, you idiot. You have to go to work. You have to go to work. If you're going to make folk songs, you're going to make them on the two hours you have for yourself on the weekend when everybody else is out of the house. You don't have any time for that. Is it true that Rodney Dangerfield found comedy so late like that?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1193.165

Well, Rodney did comedy and then quit, but kept writing and was selling aluminum siding. Right. That's what I remember that story. And then remade it when he was like 46. That's a fucking awesome story. Yeah. How about Schimmel? Schimmel didn't even start until he was 36, which I thought was crazy. I remember when I heard, because I was a giant Schimmel fan.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1212.018

And then when I had heard that he started when he was 36, I was like, what? I didn't think you could do that. I thought you had to start when you were like 21. Yeah. Or you had no chance.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1224.928

Isn't that crazy?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1227.909

I wish I started at 27 because when I was 21, I was such a moron. I just had no opinions on anything. So all my jokes were basically about sex. It was like sex and relationships.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1239.773

Boston.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1247.056

Right.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1248.196

Yeah, you've talked about the best comedy scene. It was the best comedy scene because it was a comedy scene that had World-class comedians that the rest of the country didn't know about right?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1258.42

So it was a cheat code It was like you're in a gym and you're sparring with world-class fighters like world championship caliber fighters that the rest of world hasn't seen yet Right and that emerges sometimes in fight gyms for sure You have a bunch of like elite fighters and then all of a sudden there's three world champions in this gym like no years later. Yeah, and

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1274.606

That's what it was like in Boston because there was these guys that were the Steve Sweeney's and the Don Gavins who are as good as anybody that's ever done comedy and no one knew who they were outside of Boston yeah, and you get to see them every night just Murdering where it was their drive to get out.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1305.101

It was a totally different kind of comedian. There were these big football player looking men who were rowdy, who partied all the time. They were all heavy drinkers. They all played golf. They were all animals. And they would go on stage and obliterate.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1320.186

Right.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1320.526

When I say obliterate, I mean, these guys would go on stage with a drink in their hand, and they had a fucking act that was as hammered as a samurai sword. It was polished. And they would just fucking- From the pause they would take to the eyebrow raise, all that. And a lot of it was like local references, like local Boston stuff. And they would bury these out-of-town comedians.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1342.4

I saw them bury Billy Crystal one night. Oh, my God. Bury him.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1348.064

Satan was nipping at his heels and dragging him down into the netherworld. It was horrible.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1367.296

Right.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1409.202

And then before they get on the bus, they give their land acknowledgement.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1431.809

There's some of that, but there's still guys like Louis who don't do that, and Attell doesn't do that. I get for young guys coming up, it's a very good way to develop an audience. There's guys that have a clip, the clip goes viral on TikTok, all of a sudden they're selling out shows everywhere, like a guy like Ralph Barboza. It's a funny guy.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1450.653

Gets a funny bit, it gets put up, bam, all of a sudden he's headlining all over the country, and it happened to him like that.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

146.86

He's a solid guy. He's a solid guy.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1486.423

Yeah, it's a great example of what can be done with social media today, you know And then there's these guys a lot of bad ones like from kill Tony where they do one minute and a lot of these one minute clips get put into reels and then these guys are getting Huge responses for this and now they're doing the killers of kill Tony where they're selling out these huge places So it's it's amazing What can be done?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1511.698

But they don't have an act. They don't. Some of them do. Like Ari Matty's 12 years in. He was doing stand-up in Australia. I actually worked with him in Australia in like 2016, I think. Somewhere around then. 2015, somewhere around then. So Ari's been at it for a long time. So he's really good. He's a really solid comic. So he's like headlining now because of this.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1535.068

But there's guys that are in it four or five years and they don't really have an act yet, but they have a couple of good jokes. But they'll figure it out. They'll figure it out. They'll figure it out. But you don't want to figure all of it out on video in front of the whole world.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1560.597

But it's okay. You know, look, you go back and watch my first episodes of this podcast. They were fucking terrible. Right. I encourage everybody to go back and watch them. Dog shit. Nobody would watch it.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1571.54

I bet they're on YouTube. They're on somewhere. They're on everywhere. They're somewhere. It's everywhere. But when we first started doing it, I mean, there was no production value. No. I was boring. And then you figure out how to do it. It's like stand-up. It is. It's everything else. Go back and watch someone's first amateur fight.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

158.126

I also think we all as human beings need to be divorced from our ideas. Your ideas are not you. You are you. And ideas are things that you should consider. Ideas are something that you should, I mean, if it's gonna have some sort of a real physical impact on your life and your family and your family's life and people you care about, I understand.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1641.026

Sure, yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1642.927

Yeah, well tennis is like all things right?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1645.608

It's you yes when you really do it, then you can truly appreciate people who are great Yes, like there's there's so many things that are like like in martial arts It's a big like especially when things go to the ground a lot of times people don't understand how difficult a specific maneuver is like how he did that how he baited him with that and then You have to like well, there's certain things I watch when I'm like, oh my god, does everybody appreciate this right?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1669.898

That was insane. That was insane.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1689.525

But I think only a person like you, who is a professional, could appreciate the technique involved and, like, the changing of Djokovic's backstring. Yeah, yeah. All that.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1728.691

The Wokies pushed you away from tennis? No, the Wokies pushed me away from tennis.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1749.7

Do you know the Freeway Ricky Ross story?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1752.58

Freeway Ricky Ross was a guy who, you know Rick Ross the rapper? Yes. He named himself after a famous cocaine dealer in Los Angeles called Freeway Ricky Ross. Freeway Ricky Ross was selling cocaine unbeknownst to him for the CIA to fund the Contras versus the Sandinistas.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

177.411

I understand why you get connected to things like that. But for the most part, most of these ideas don't affect you. A lot of them don't. And yet we're so ideologically captured that we fight for these ideas as if it's our very nature. You're talking about your essence as a human being.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1774.213

This was all about funneling money into the war. He was a tennis player, like an elite tennis player.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1781.176

That's hilarious.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1781.556

Couldn't even read. Couldn't read. Yes. And was this really good tennis player who that was like his hope for a scholarship. Gets involved, starts selling cocaine, starts selling a lot of cocaine.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1794.402

Doesn't know how he's so successful because he's worked with the CIA. CIA's helping him. Goes to jail, learns how to read when he's in jail, becomes a lawyer in jail, gets himself off because they tried him on three strikes, but they did it for one incident. So they did it incorrectly. And so he gets out of jail.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1824.542

Maybe not the best example. I'm talking about a guy from South Central LA who can't read. Just to say it's not necessarily an elite sport. It doesn't have to be. It's just a sport. All you need is a court. It seems pretty cheap. You need a flat surface, a tennis racket, and a ball.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1904.54

Isn't that weird that you felt like you had to move away from athletics in order to fit in in comedy?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1923.258

Yeah. Discipline, realizing like the tennis player that you were talking about, that if you do put in the work over time, the results will pay off and you'll see it.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1933.185

Yeah. Figure that shit out by yourself.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1974.186

Well, it's important to learn how to lose at things, at everything. If you marry your high school sweetheart and you guys never broke up, you probably missed out on me. Congratulations on achieving the most difficult thing humanly possible that everybody admires.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

1990.337

When you meet a couple, I have two friends of mine that have actually been dating since they were 16 years old, and now they're married with kids in their 40s. Congratulations. I think there's some value in getting your ass kicked. I think there's some value in a girl saying, no, I don't even like you.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2011.279

You know, I think it's good getting dumped is good. I think all that's valuable. I think you have to learn. And I don't think you learn by winning all the time, and I don't think you learn if something's easy, which is why really handsome and really beautiful people are often ridiculous in the way they behave.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2028.077

Because they have five aces. Right. And they didn't earn them. They were just born with five aces.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2058.819

It doesn't work with everybody because some people play sports and they come out even cuntier. Yeah, they come out more aggressive or more competitive or more psychotic in their pursuits and it just alienates everything else in their life.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2073.119

Or real trauma. Fucking head trauma if you're playing football. Yeah. I think difficult things are important for kids. It doesn't necessarily have to be that. It could be art. It could be music. It could be something.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2085.102

But I think there's something when you put your attention to something and realize you can get better at this thing and you find yourself in that thing and you find your potential in that thing that you focus on. It's not necessarily that it has to define you, because oftentimes it does, unfortunately.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2100.59

When people are really good at a thing, it becomes the whole essence of who they are as a person. But it's a valuable tool for elevating your human potential. And it's also a way that you can quantify effort versus results. And you can do that in sports and games and in chess and art and things that are difficult.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2121.449

Like you could say, I am so much better at playing guitar now because I've been playing three hours a day for six months and look what I can do now. So I know that there's a thing. And it teaches you that if there's a thing that you really love and you focus on it, that thing, if someone does it for a living, why can't you? Why can't you?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2140.924

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2268.563

So you're tall and long, which really helps. You can reach stuff that other people can't reach. You don't think I don't have a good frame for DJing? You have like a foot more space. Look how much wider you are. My arms are pretty long. And yours are like a foot more.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2289.966

I think so.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2292.388

Is that what it is?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2293.689

I mean, it's your wingspan. Well, I always heard that from here to here is your foot. I saw that on Pretty Woman. From here to here is your foot.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2308.441

Like Tommy Hearns with his punches. Tommy Hearns was so long and tall. Like Deontay Wilder is another example. Those long, tall guys were... When you have this torque, like, you ever see Deontay Wilder? No. He's arguably the greatest one-punch knockout artist in the history of the heavyweight division. At one point in time, he was like, what is Deontay's record?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2331.613

I think it's like 40, and he's had a few losses recently. But at one point in time, he had like 39 knockouts out of 40 fights. Jesus Christ.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

2352.321

He made it to 40-0. 40-0 and 39 of those 40 were knockouts.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2365.12

TKO, KO. He knocked out everybody. Get the Luis Ortiz fight. Show him the Luis Ortiz fight.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2380.562

TKO is the ref calls it. Knockout is like, it's over. Like you got flatlined.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2388.366

Yeah. Well, this guy, Luis Ortiz, was on the Cuban Olympic team. He's a fucking elite fighter. And he was really durable. So Deontay, he's the one with his back to us. He's long and tall, but he's not giant. He's not a big guy in comparison to a lot of these guys. But he catches him with a right hand and flattens him. I think this is the first time they fought, Jamie. Oh.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

240.685

Right. Yeah. The joke book idea is the best example of that, right? Because most of what you write is shit, which took me forever to figure out. I was like, God, I just write shit. And then every now and then a gem. Like, ooh, and then you extract the gem. But I've realized afterwards, it's basically like gold mining. Most of the time you're not finding gold. You're finding garbage.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2411.277

Yeah, the second one is the KO with one punch. So he beat him up in the first fight, too. But Ortiz is an elite boxer, and Deontay's not the best boxer. Right. He's just a hitter.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2422.772

And he's just waiting, waiting, waiting. Blam! And he hits guys, and they're like, what the fuck? Here it is. Watch this.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2435.96

And this is an elite heavyweight. Show it again. Show it again. Because it's so crazy. It's just one punch. It's just black. See, Wilder just waits, waits, waits. It's all waiting. It's not boxing.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2450.928

He's just waiting. Waiting for his chance.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2465.624

When you got that kind of power, that is so crazy.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2472.326

See if they show it in the replay, because he hits him on the forehead, which is so crazy. Just before that. Watch this. Right there. Just before it, Jamie. Okay, here it is. Watch this. He hits him on the forehead, man.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2485.423

So he's just waiting. He's just waiting. He's just pawing at him with his left hand. And bang!

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2492.468

Bro. But it's all that torque and length and leverage and just God-given power like nobody has.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2505.298

That is so crazy. And look at the torque. Look at the wide shoulders and the timing and the speed. And watch, it just straightens out right on his fucking noggin.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2555.108

Well, against that guy. Against that guy. But that's very unusual.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2559.552

Most guys can hit you pretty hard.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2562.855

That's crazy.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2564.176

That's crazy. Deontay's like in a world of his own. And he's also in a world of his own, again, because he's not big. There's Daniel Dubois, who is the, I forget which division he's a champion of right now, but he's a giant heavyweight who knocks everybody out. But he's 255, 260, built like a tank. Deontay's literally 40 plus pounds lighter than that. And just one punch.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2597.279

He's not going to outbox you and be slick. In fact, his movement is sometimes awkward. He's criticized for having bad footwork. His legs look like sticks. He has the skinniest legs you've ever seen in your life.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2611.171

How? How? But the power this guy generates is out of this world.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2623.241

He's not boxing you.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2624.862

I mean, he's boxing kind of, but he's really looking for the big one. And you know if that big one lands, it's nighty-night for everybody. The only buddy who's able to survive it is Tyson Fury because he's a fucking animal. And he rose from the dead in the 12th round of their fight where it looked like Deontay had knocked him out cold.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2641.734

Deontay even went like that at the end of it because he hit him with a right hand and then a left hook as he was going down. And he went flat out on his back and Tyson Fury rose like the Undertaker and got right back and won the rest of the round. But that's just because that's another very, very rare human being, Tyson Fury, just an animal. Jesus. Just an animal.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2659.927

One of the greatest boxers of all time. And one of the greatest heavyweights, without a doubt, of all time.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2677.64

Because I would get scared. You know, you got to kind of shake off the cobwebs. Your ears are ringing. Your legs don't work right anymore. When you get knocked down, I only got TKO'd once in a kickboxing fight. And ironically, it didn't hurt. The punch that hit me just twisted my jaw. He hit me with a left hook and my legs just gave out. Like, weep. Like, gone. It's the craziest feeling.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2699.655

It's not like you got hurt. It's like your legs just shut off. He clipped me with a left hook that I didn't see in an exchange. And when you get hit on the jaw, something happens in the jaw. And I don't know what it is with the nerves behind your neck, but it just shuts everything off. And you're conscious, which is weird.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2718.308

Like, so it was completely conscious, but my legs just like disconnected and went down, but they, they reconnected right away. And I got up and I was like, Oh no, I'm in trouble. Like they weren't working good. Like everything wasn't working good. And then I got dropped again. He hit me with an uppercut and dropped me. And then the referee stopped the fight. But, uh,

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

273.831

Yeah. It's the muse. You have to show up and request the muse's love.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2733.601

Totally conscious the whole time. But the feeling that you get when you get hit real hard is real weird. It's like nothing works right anymore. And you got to get on your bike and try to move around and get everything working again. And it might take 30 seconds before.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2750.302

Now, in the UFC, it's way more accurate because when you get knocked down, they climb on top of you and beat your fucking brains in or strangle you, which is really what's supposed to happen. The whole thing of letting someone get up, what you're really doing is giving them a chance to get more damage.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2766.069

Because they can recover, but not all the way, you know, sometimes. Right, right, right. Sometimes a guy gets rocked early in a fight, and you can tell for the whole rest of the fight they're still fucked up, and they're very defensive.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2790.501

I think it's an unsafe sport. It's as safe as we can make it. We have laws when you can hit someone. You can't hit them in the back of the head. But it's not safe. It's a very dangerous, very scary sport. But I think realistically when someone gets hurt,

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

280.754

Yeah, I mean, do you ever read Pressfield's War of Art?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2808.716

Someone finishes them off on the ground That's probably less damage than they would have taken if you gave them a standing a count Dust their gloves off made them move forward and let them go back again and get really Molly wallet You know because a lot of times those were in the real bad chaos come from was when a guy's hurt and he stands up and the only thing I can even closely compare this to is being in a car accident and

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

283.556

It's really, we have a stack of them out there.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2832.899

Yeah, let me show you one of the greatest examples of that. Alex Pereira, who was a two-division glory world champion. Pull up Alex Pereira KO's Jason Willness. So he's like the most destructive kickboxer in the history of the sport. And he went over to the UFC, became a two-division UFC champion, just lost his title last weekend in a really close fight, great fight.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2857.748

But he hits this guy with a head kick and drops him. And you can tell this guy's fucked. But they give him the standing, because he's in kickboxing, not in MMA. They give him the standing eight count, dust his gloves off, you okay, come forward. And then he gets hit with a flying knee on the chin and just sent into the shadow realm. And it didn't need to happen this way.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2894.145

I don't know. Or is this the head kick? I don't know. I don't know if this is the one. I think this is the one when they went back and forth. I don't think this is the one where he KOs him. I think this is the one where he drops him. Yeah, try to find the later one. This is it. This is the one, because I can tell by his haircut.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2912.884

So Pereira, at this time, was the champion, and he was getting revenge on Willness, who had beaten him before, and stopped him with low kicks in one of their fights. So he headkicks him. Boom! So right now, he's fucked. In MMA, he would follow up, beat him a couple times, and that would be it. But Willness is like, they're giving him a chance to clear his head.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2933.974

Yeah, and he's like, move forward, and watch this. Boom! Oh, my God. Yeah, that's the kind of shit that happens when you're really already fucked. So he can hit you with this flying scissor knee right on the chin.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2948.666

And he's the most ferocious knockout artist literally in the history of the sport.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

295.062

I used to have a stack of them in the studio where I'd give out to guests because so many comics, I was like, this is what you need.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2955.792

Oh, yeah. It's encouraged. It's encouraged. It's not just legal. It's celebrated. That's one of the greatest techniques in the history of the sport. And Alex Pereira, that's how he won his first UFC fight. He won with that. Want to see another nasty one? Pull up Pereira KO's Michaelitis.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2974.703

So this is Pereira's first entrance into the UFC. And I'm a giant fan of kickboxing. So I watch... Muay Thai. I watch Dutch kickboxing. I watch Glory. I watch everything I can about kickboxing. And I knew this guy was really special. So I was completely hyping him up in this first UFC fight. I'm like, just watch. And he...

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

2997.526

He came through in flying colors and he came through with that flying knee and it's it's so nuts the amount of power this guy can generate and With punches and with kicks, but with a flying knee you have so much torque You're literally throwing your body weight up into the air

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

30.238

Thank you. That's so cool. It's fun. We were just singing Jon Stewart's praises before this started. But I'm so happy he's back at The Daily Show. And I'm so happy he makes fun of everything. And I'm so happy he still makes dick jokes.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3016.461

It's in the second round, Jamie, so it's right after this. Like right at the beginning of the second round. Yeah, so they start the second round, and he's like, fuck this dude. I'm just going to catch him coming in and flatline him. This is, watch this. I mean, this is nutty. Here it is. Oof.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3044.889

That is so fast. He's such a fucking animal. He's such a monster, dude. He's such a monster. You can't block that. You just try to get out of the way of that? You have to get the fuck out of the way of that. You don't want to block that because you certainly should block it rather than take it on the chin. But once he's in the air like that, if that catches your arms, it could break your forearm.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

306.748

Every now and then one will fly above your head. That's so cool.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3070.703

I mean, the amount of power that's involved in that particular technique is fucking extraordinary because it's a natural movement of your hips. Flicking. It's a thing that you do your whole life, running and jumping. So you can explode very quickly. And you're hitting someone with your knee, which is the most immobile part.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3091.497

If you want to hit someone with a joint, it's elbows and knees, but the knees preferable.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3099.705

Yeah, you gotta wait till a guy's fucked. And that's what he does.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3110.53

But some guys are just really good. Like John Jones, when he won the light heavyweight title, one of the craziest things that John did, he was 22 years old, and he's fighting Mauricio Shogun Hua, who is a legend. He was a light heavyweight champion. He was a legend of this organization called Pride in Japan where they sold out like 90,000 seat arenas. I mean, he's like a real legend of the sport.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3131.308

And John opens with a flying knee. Opens. First move. Flying knee. Catches him. And then just beats the shit out of him and wins the title and becomes the youngest ever UFC champion.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3141.501

This is the beginning of the fight. Now, Shogun is, like I said, he's a fucking legend and a knockout artist. And John starts right away. Boom! Flying knee to open up the fight. And just put on a clinic. Put on a clinic and won the title at 22 years of age.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

315.795

Yeah, it's the struggle against resistance, which is procrastination, which is this thing that we all do before we actually write, which is so weird. Because I love... when I'm actually locked in and great ideas are coming. It's one of the best feelings in the world.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3164.962

Yeah. The flying knee. That's a crazy move. But some guys can pull it off, and it helps being tall. Like Alex is very tall. John's tall, so it's hard to hit their chin. But... You know, it doesn't always work. Like, sometimes guys do it and they get knocked out cold. How does your fucking kneecap not break, too? It doesn't. No, your kneecap versus chin. I'll take kneecap all day long.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3185.082

Especially when your knee's bent and you're hitting them with this part right here. You can hit that pretty hard on things. You'd be surprised.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3197.351

Want to see it go wrong? I want to show you the flying knee go wrong. Pull up Fedor Emelianenko versus – Oh, Andrei Orlovsky, I'm sorry.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3209.757

Yeah, Andrei Orlovsky, Fedor Milianenko. So this is... Andrei Orlovsky was actually winning this fight, and he actually was kind of tuning Fedor up, and he was hitting him with some big shots, and he got a little crazy. And he leapt in with a flying knee and got flatlined.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3230.143

True. So he's fighting the guy with the bald head. That's Fedor Emelianenko, who's a legend. So watch Arlovsky. He catches him with the kick.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3240.414

Oh, shit. Flatlined. But he's fighting, and Fedor, that's literally the greatest heavyweight of all time. If not one of the greatest, like, there's the argument that he's the greatest. So he catches him on the chin as he's leaping in. Like, perfect punch. So the guy with the beard thought... He thought he was vulnerable. He was beating his ass a little bit. And he made a mistake.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3260.383

And he tried to come in cocky with a flying knee, and he got clipped on the jaw.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3267.926

Also, you gotta think where Fedor threw that punch, because Fedor knew he was going in the air. This is like the reads this guy's able to get. He sees Orlovsky make a motion, like bend at the knees, like he's going to launch himself. So if you look at where he punches him, he punches him so high up in the air. So he knew where his head was going to be. Look at that. Look how high he is. See it?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3288.773

He's ducked down and Orlovsky's way up in the air and he catches him perfectly on the chin. That is just an understanding of positioning and where a guy's going to be and what the timing of your punch is.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

330.025

It's like somehow or another you're pulling these ideas out of nowhere and then it's your job to take this seed and try to go plant it on stage and try to water it and try to, over the course of many months, it'll become a great bit. And they just only come if you sit there. They only come if you sit there. And what he is saying is that you have to treat it like you're a professional.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3335.307

The consequences are so great that people look at it as a barbaric, horrific thing, which is valid. I understand why pacifists and people who are very peaceful don't want to have anything to do with violence. I get it. But what it is to me is the ultimate problem solving. It's problem solving. You have a person in front of you that is doing all of these things to try to throw you off.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3359.501

They're fainting you, they're moving, they're switching stances, they're shooting in for takedowns that they don't want so they can catch you with a punch on the way in. There's so many variables you have to think about. So it's just like high-level problem solving with dire physical consequences.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3395.442

It is serious stakes. I think kids, especially boys, should all learn how to fight so that they don't ever fight.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3406.527

Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3408.828

I know you got a gym over here. Yeah, I was telling you, you could get into jiu-jitsu. You'd be great at it. You have long limbs. You're athletic. So that's what I should be doing. Long limbs are huge for jiu-jitsu because there's certain things that you'll be able to catch that other people can't catch with shorter limbs, like a darts choke.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3423.195

So a darts choke is, so say if you come to grab me and you have your head here and your arm wraps around me like this, I can shove my arm under like this, go off the side of your neck and clamp it like this, and now I've got you in a wicked choke. It's called the D'Arce choke. The D'Arce choke.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3442.626

You will be way better at that than me because you have an extra six inches that you could seal this thing up.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3449.19

So your hand will go further than mine. You'll be able to grab it deeper than I can.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3455.377

Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3459.262

Yes. And I... And then you do it the other way. It's an anaconda. So you either go armpit this way... It's a darts, or you go head this way, armpit that way. It's an anaconda. And with the anaconda, you roll like an anaconda, and you squeeze them deeper into the choke.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3477.075

And your long legs, you could wrap around their body to secure them in place. You could grab a hold of one of their legs so they can't turn away from you. You could turn into them and fucking keep the squeeze on. Dude, you'd be wicked at it.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3492.776

Or do I go- A person taps out most of the time. They tap out. Most of the time you tap out. Because they know it's over. You know it's over. If you're a psycho, you go to sleep. And there are a lot of psychos that just let people choke them unconscious. That happens all the time. Guys just say, fuck it. I'm going to get choked unconscious. And they just go out.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

351.757

And you have to decide at 8 a.m. I will show up and I will be there for three hours. I will shut my phone off. I will lock in. This is what I do because I am a professional. And you literally make a prayer to the muse. You offer yourself to the muse. You say, I'm here to work. I'm here to gather ideas. I'm here to be creative and be open. And you treat it that way.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3510.587

Hopefully. But sometimes the referees miss it. And sometimes someone's out for like seconds.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3514.85

while someone's still fucking squeezing the shit out of their neck. And then the referee finally figures it out. The person's like in the shadow realm.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3534.237

That's fucking awesome. And if you don't stop when someone taps, you will get kicked out of the sport. There's a guy named Husamar Paul Harris who was one of the scariest motherfuckers to ever fight because he was a leg lock specialist. And what he would do is rip your knees apart. And he wouldn't let go when you tapped. And he got kicked out of the UFC for it. Because he did it to so many people.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3553.726

He was known for not letting go. And these guys would be screaming in agony and slapping and tapping. And he would be still twisting. He was built like a human pit bull. He was like 5'7", 185 pounds of solid muscle. And he would just dive on your legs and roll into these positions and rip your knees apart.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3576.164

Like with a heel hook, a heel hook is so terrible because your knee has a lot of strength going forward and backwards, but it has almost none going side to side. So they isolate the top of it with their legs. They wrap the heel into the crook of their elbow, and then they wrench that motherfucker apart. It's literally twisting your knee apart, and it's terrifying. It's terrifying.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3599.026

And he cripples people. Like you are fucked. He'll tear your ACL, your MCL, your meniscus. You're going to go a whole year before you can fight again. You're going to have to get surgery to reconstruct your knee. And then your knee's never going to be the same because your meniscus is shot now. And maybe some of your cartilage.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3617.413

So this is a fight that he had against David Avalon. And this is fucked because they stopped the motion and they put him back into the same position. And when they put him back into the same position, he doesn't let go. So he holds on to the heel hook and just wrenches the fucking shit out. Like this right here. Ah! He let go there.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3636.899

He let go there because I think they were, like, chastising him to make sure. Like, look at that.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3642.505

And look at the build on this guy. Paul Horace was a fucking specimen.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3648.452

He's ripping this shit apart right here, man. He's pulling it backwards. It's backwards and at a slight angle. I mean, this is horrific. And look at the build on Paul Harris. Imagine the fucking force, the size of this guy's legs, the size of his torso, and perfect technique. And he's just ripping his fucking knee apart. That's a nasty knee bar right there. That's so horrible to watch.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3671.854

But in MMA, he wound up getting kicked out of the UFC because I think it was Mike Pierce. See if you can find the Mike Pierce fight. It might not have been Pierce. One of these fights. I love that the tap, generally speaking, it does. Of course. But in this case, the Mike Pierce one, he's screaming and tapping, and Paul Harrods is still ripping it apart.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3701.465

He's tapping and he won't let go. Still, when the referee's on him, he's still yanked on it. So that extra second will just rip your shit apart. So he taps immediately. See, none of this has to happen. He was tapping immediately. I feel like the ref was on that. I know, but it's like Paul Harris doesn't give a fuck. He's out for blood. I mean, he had a crazy childhood.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3723.683

He grew up on a farm with no food. He's feral. He's feral. And he's super technical.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3732.909

Oh, yeah. Well, until you get kicked out of the sport. God, it's incredibly...

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

375.291

Whether or not the muse is real or not, that's kind of, you can get hung up on that. But if you treat it like it's real, it works, which is really crazy.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3753.455

Yeah, I think all sports at the highest levels, they have to be like that because you only get so far with genetics and so far with natural speed and endurance. There's certain aspects of it that require a careful, considered study.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3778.037

You know, you're not going to be able to do that.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3782.341

You got to tap when you get into those positions, and then you got to make sure that you don't get into those positions, which is the most important thing.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3797.398

Well, hopefully you will tap because guys haven't tapped and they've gotten their arms broken in half. And I've seen quite a few of those, including legends like Frank Mir one time.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3808.225

Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3808.885

Because he fought Antonio Noguera, who was another legend who was former heavyweight champion of pride. And he caught him in a Kimura and snapped his upper arm. And we watched his arm crack and then go limp. And you could see like where it was cracked up here. Oh, it was horrific.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3840.998

No.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3841.619

Especially not while the actual fight is going on. The actual fight is life and death. You know, you have to be locked in. But Daniel Cormier, my co... So there's like two color commentators, me and Daniel Cormier, and there's John Anik, who's the play-by-play guy. Me and Daniel fuck around a lot. We joke around a lot about stuff. Because he's like a fun guy.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3859.608

But when things are serious, we're serious. You have to be like... This is like you're representing these people's hard work. You're trying to put words to- I love that. Yeah. Yeah. You have to be very serious about it.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3883.731

Well, it's confusing for sure.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3897.933

Yeah. You just can't apologize for it. You can't wonder what other people think about it. You just have to be yourself. And I grew up a martial artist. Martial arts is an enormous part of my life. It's an enormous part of how I became who I am. So for me, commentating on martial arts is normal.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3924.761

Yeah, but I'm not interested in being funny. I'm just trying to do that. I've done commentary on Professional Pool, too.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3931.328

Because I play pool, and I play pretty good. So I really understand the game, and I know what's going on. So I've done commentary on that, too. It's the same thing.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3942.8

The only answer to that question is The Hustler. I thought The Color of Money had a run. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. The Color of Money is good. It's a good tournament movie. It's a good movie. But, you know, there's some things in it. And because Paul Newman was in it, you know, it kind of gave it some validity. Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3959.358

Because it was the same Walter Tevis novel as The Hustler, The Color of Money. It was very different. The book was very different, though. Okay. But yeah, The Caller of Money was great because it got a lot of people playing pool again. But The Hustler is just an amazing film. The actual film itself is amazing. It's like Piper Laurie is incredible in it. George C. Scott is in it.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

3982.69

Jackie Gleason plays Minnesota Fats. By the way, Jackie Gleason was a real pool player. He's probably the only guy that's ever played a pool player in a movie that really could play.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4008.996

Pool is something that if you really want to play right, you have to get coached.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4012.699

Yeah, it's just like tennis, I'm sure. It's like you can develop some bad habits and bad fundamentals that you're never going to pass a certain level of play. But I think it's like everything. I think it's like chess, it's like tennis, it's like Schultz was in here the other day and he's into this sport paddle. Have you seen paddle?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4033.454

Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4041.681

Oh, if you're Spanish. Oh, do they say Padel? That's where it's from, yeah. Oh, well, why don't we call it Padel then? That's what Schultz said. He said paddle like he's from fucking New York.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

407.771

I like that. My move is when everyone's asleep in my house. Okay. Because I still, I get up pretty early for a comic.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4073.129

Kid Rock plays every day. Okay, perfect. He gets up at 8 in the morning and plays pickleball with his trainer.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

41.963

You know, it's fun. It's like the Daily Show seems like the Daily Show again. Like, that guy's a very unique dude. Very unique person. And one of the most important, like, pieces to, like, unify everybody. He's reasonable. Like, he gets the whole big picture. Like, let's stop being so fucking ridiculously tribal.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4134.548

Yeah, they run outside the box.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4145.973

He's going outside the box. I know, that's nuts. That is nuts.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

416.116

You know, I'm up by eight almost every day.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4171.747

That's like what they've done with hockey where they highlight the puck. I love that shit. That's a game changer. Now I know what's going on.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4186.875

I've been watching professional lacrosse lately. Once I realized they could beat the fuck out of each other. I didn't know that they could fight like they do. I didn't know they could fight. They fight and they wear shoes, which is crazy because now you're bare knuckle boxing in the middle of a game.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

420.518

Right. But that means that I can go to bed at 1 and still get seven hours of sleep. So that's what I do. So when everybody in my house kind of goes to bed early, my kids go to school, my wife goes to bed early. So when everyone's asleep, it's just me and the dog. And either we're watching YouTube or I'm writing. And that's when I get my best work done. You write by hand or you type? No, I type.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4204.885

Right. Well, the difference between running around on ice skates, you're sliding around. The fighting is like, yeah, they're fighting, but they're kind of compromised because they can't really like, you know, good skaters can kind of hold. It's not like having grip with your shoes and being able to really, you can really hurt people.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4219.598

They're beating the shit out of each other. I'm like, wow.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4236.659

I thought they put a circle around it when it flies around.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4241.883

Sorry.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4248.367

That's funny. I always avoided winter sports when I was a kid. I didn't learn how to ski until I was in my 40s, and I never learned how to ice skate because I was fighting all the time. So I didn't want to do anything that would hurt myself doing it. And everybody was like, we're going to go skiing. I was like, uh-uh. Get the fuck out of here. I need these. It was super important.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4274.31

Yeah, why are we upset at Canada? This is stupid. Is this over tariffs? Yes, 100%. They booed us over tariffs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

4286.42

Well, Canada's red. There you go.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4292.364

One dude keeps his helmet on. That's ridiculous. That helmet's a problem. Yeah, they punch through it.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4340.058

Anti-American and anti-Canadian sentiment going on. It's the dumbest fucking feud.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

4346.368

Look at the water consumption. That's crazy.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4358.211

Yeah, there's a lot of idiots that now think that they're our fucking enemy. Okay. Why are we subsidizing Canada? Right. Well, how come they don't have their own military? Well, they don't, so let's just deal with it as it is. You know, Trudeau is out, right? He's leaving. Yeah, they got a new guy who's just as bad. Same thing. But they got a new party. 150 people voted.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4381.742

Now they have a new guy running the country. But their whole election system is so different. They don't have like a specific time when they have elections.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4393.27

The whole thing is so crazy. And so I don't know what's happening with their politics, but I just want America and Canada to get along. I think it's ridiculous. Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4408.697

It would be fun if it happened. It would be fun I think Greenland's more accessible. Yeah, you probably buy that. Yeah, if you want a 51st state, it's Greenland Plus if global warming is real because of all the digging and oil and all that shit, you know be good to have a cold spot to Eventually warm up.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

442.008

You type. Yeah. I feel like... I can't write fast enough by hand. What I like about typing is that I don't have to look at the keys. I know how to type. So I can make a letter, I can make a word very quickly. And I can zone in to it. But what I really like is a keyboard that I can feel. Like I need travel in my keys. And these clickety, clickety, clickety little MacBook, those are bullshit.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4459.823

There's a lot of stuff up there. There's also a lot of stuff in the sky. If they can mine asteroids, if they can successfully figure out how to mine asteroids, they can get a lot of precious minerals.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4470.27

Yeah. Well, that's a few decades away, but they'll figure it out eventually. They've been able to get samples from asteroids and they know like what the composites are. And, you know, there's asteroids out there that are filled with trillions of dollars in minerals.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4485.731

I know. It's nuts. Yeah, and they can figure it out. They will. They'll eventually figure it out. But I had Siddharth Kara on who has done some pretty brilliant and brave investigative work on the cobalt mines. And he took video of these what they call artisanal mines. It's essentially slaves digging this stuff out of the ground with their babies on their back. This is from Siddharth's book.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4510.26

I mean, this is fucking crazy. And they're digging the cobalt out of the ground with like literally with sticks. Everybody's breathing it in. It's all toxic. These women have babies on their back. The babies are breathing it in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

4538.019

That's exactly what it is. That's terrible. And it's the only way we're getting that stuff. Right. It's most of the cobalt's coming from that area, and it's... It's also then you go to the actual construction of the phone itself and you see those factories, those Foxconn factories where they have nets around them to keep people from jumping off the roofs.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4555.954

And you realize these people are working in these horrific conditions so that you can get an iPhone that costs $13.99 instead of $15.99 or whatever the fuck it would be if it was made in America with people paid a working wage and healthcare.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4569.562

All the stuff that you're supposed to get if you're going to be working. Especially if a company like Apple that's worth more than any corporation ever. Like Apple's insanely profitable.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4615.464

Yeah, we've talked about that, but the problem is the infrastructure that's required to be able to build phones here is a decade away. It takes a long time to build the kind of factories that can have the tolerances of these chips, and they've been doing it in China forever. It's fucking wild.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4651.544

Whoa.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

4657.491

Holy shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

4659.293

Yeah. That's pretty wild. It's wild. It's also watching everything you do and listening to all your conversations and recommending Google searches. Why don't you buy this, Michael? Hey, Michael, maybe you'd be interested in buying this. It seems like you were interested. You were talking about vacation homes in Hawaii. Look, Michael.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4682.5

You're in the algorithm.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4684.161

Yeah, you get sucked into the algorithm. You know, it's an interesting world that we live in with all that stuff because it's like you're constantly getting inundated. That's one of the things that I really enjoy about podcasts is the one time for three hours a day where I don't look at my phone. Yeah. I don't have any texts coming in. It's on do not disturb. I don't care.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

470.349

What you want is a keyboard that you don't have to look at because it's got little divots where your finger sits. So I use a ThinkPad. And ThinkPads have the best keyboards. They have travel. Each one has a couple of millimeters of travel. So it's a clickety, clickety, clickety. So my fingers know exactly where to go and I can just get into the zone.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4720.575

Did I just crack something? There may be something to that, but I think it's just the sheer volume of people that I've talked to. It's like you're getting information. But you're retaining a lot of that. I've always been good at that for some reason.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4740.642

No.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4742.462

Yeah, yeah. I take supplements from memory, too, though. I take AlphaBrain, which is called a nootropic. I saw it out there. You can grab some.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4753.345

No, get in there. You have that thing, that vending machine. You get free AlphaBrain. Yeah. You just press the button.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4762.331

That's pretty sick. Anyone you want. Yeah, that's cool. But that stuff's legit. It really works. And it really does. That was from my company on it. And when we first made it, a lot of people were saying, oh, this is snake oil. This is bullshit.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4775.965

I had already had experience with nootropics because there's a company called Neuro One, and Bill Romanowski, the football player, developed it because he was having memory problems after all the hits. And I was on a radio show in San Francisco, and one of the guys was working out with Bill Romanowski, and he started taking this Neuro One. He's like, dude, I'm so much more focused.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4798.846

It's really great. I'm like, okay, I'm going to try this. And I was like, oh, this is legit. I feel like my mind feels clearer. I feel like I have more thought energy, if that makes any sense. So then we started experimenting with different ones, and there's a bunch I like. One of them is this company, Neuro. These are mints, Neuro mints, but they make Neuro gum, which I'm a big fan of.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4819.739

I chew it all the time. It's gum that has a little bit of caffeine and a little bit of theanine in it. What's the goal, just to kind of keep the brain energy high? Yes, yeah, you want to provide your brain with the nutrients your brain needs to produce human neurotransmitters.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4839.31

That, you know, is mine. I usually take two. Okay. I want to take the mints. But they're legit. So this is one. Neurogum's another one. True Brain is another one that I've tried that's really good. It's like little packets you drink.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4859.959

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

488.533

Yeah. But that's how I do it. I have a whole thing. The laptop that I write on, it has no apps. It never goes anywhere. It doesn't get email. I only allow myself to use the Bing search engine to find out. Because most of the time if I'm writing about something, like when was this discovered? What happened here? Who figured that out? It's normal facts.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4907.422

Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4911.143

Sleep is a big problem. Yeah. You really need to get a solid seven, eight hours of sleep every night. And if you don't, you're going to feel it. One of the best supplements for mitigating the effects of sleep deprivation is actually creatine.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4928.567

It's legit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

4933.429

Well, there's different forms of creatine. I take it in gummy form, which doesn't seem to bother me at all. I've had people that take it like liquid. They pour it into water, and they get diarrhea. I haven't had that happen, but it's also like there's different kinds of creatine. You want really good creatine, like you want a reputable company that makes creatine monohydrate.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4953.054

And then there's another thing called HMB that people mix with creatine. But creatine, besides being a muscle builder, because it really does enhance your recovery and helps you build muscle, it also is a nootropic. It also helps brain function. Which makes sense, because if your body works better, your brain works better. It makes you retain more water.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

4974.123

You have more water in your body, which is obviously also a good thing, especially for an athlete, and especially for someone who wants to think. One of the worst ways to think is if you're dehydrated. If you're dehydrated and tired, you're fucked. You're working on 50% brain capacity.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5024.324

Yeah, the couch fan is their best. But yeah, in fights, you see it all the time. When people are exhausted, they make terrible decisions. They shoot for takedowns, they get caught in guillotine chokes because they're exposed. They're exhausted, and they just take a chance, and they don't have the energy to complete the technique correctly.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5068.101

Well, you're going to be exhausted from the flight. Yep. You know what I found helps a lot from flights is if you can, work out immediately. After? Right when you land. Okay. Like right when you land.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5080.229

Just get something going. Even if it's 20 minutes, do a bunch of push-ups and sit-ups and chin-ups. Just get it going. Just reset the clock. Because when you exert yourself like hard, you have a hard, you know, 20 minutes to half hour of working out, it resets you. And you're like, okay, I'm back. I'm okay. Okay.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5106.884

Oh, at UT?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5114.888

Oh, wow.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

513.76

Daylight savings is coming, so we're about to lose an hour, and that means trying to speed up your morning. But if you drink AG1, maybe you're fine with it. It's that quick and easy to help your body feel great every day.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5142.501

Yeah, it's as good. It's better than we have ever hoped. We never hoped it was going to be what it is now. It's perfect.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5156.529

Yeah, for sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5169.063

When she looked like that, she was hot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5178.089

I didn't meet her then. I met her in 94. She was already quite a bit older and she started suffering the beginnings of her neurological condition. She would have a little bit of shakes, but she was there. You could have conversations with her. She helped me a lot. And she also helped foster an environment of creativity and of collaboration. It was a home for a lot of road comics.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5209.523

There was this thing that you knew that you would go home. And on Tuesday and Wednesday nights, we would be at the store having the time of our lives. on Tuesday and Wednesday nights. We would be working on new jokes, we would be doing sets, we would be laughing together, everybody's cracking jokes in the parking lot, it was so much fun.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5225.23

And it was that home environment that we wanted to recreate as much as possible. And to make it as comic friendly as possible. What have you ever wanted in a club they didn't have? Okay, let's get that. Like, how do you want this to be? How do you want to get to the stage? What do you think we need to do? And I asked everybody. And Louis C.K. gave me some of the best advice.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

524.664

Starting your day with AG1 can help you shake off the grogginess, get back into your rhythm, and even give you the boost you need to make the most of that extra hour of sunlight, maybe even turning you into the morning person you've always wanted to be. AG-1 rules. I drank it for a long time now, and seriously, it's as easy as I say every month.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5244.324

Like, Louis told me to lower the ceilings. I shortened the stage in the smaller room. He told me, like, to deaden the sound as much as possible. Everybody wants that echo because it makes it sound like people are killing more. You want clear sound. He was dead right on everything. Wow. Because he has a production mind. He doesn't just have a mind of a comic.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5262.423

He also has a mind of what's the best way to set things up for a film or set the environment.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5296.222

It's a problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5334.018

It changed the game for all of us. The improv was always a great club to perform at. I always performed there. Laugh Factory's fun. But there's something about the store that was home base. And so the idea of doing something like that in Texas, Ron White was the first guy to open my eyes to it because Ron had moved here before the pandemic. And Ron's like, it's in the middle of country.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5355.455

I don't have to fucking fly for six hours. It's like the place is great. Food's nice. People are cool. I'm like, fuck, I live in Texas because I always wanted to get out of L.A. Yeah, because I felt like especially when my kids were young, I was like. I've been through this with my older daughter. I was like, I don't think LA is a good place for children.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5370.048

I don't think it's a good place for young people. I think it's just filled with too many like bizarre ambitions and creeps. And it's just like people are devalued because there's so many of them. It's too overwhelming. Yeah. So I'd always thought about getting out and then the pandemic hit and then Ron White was the one who talked me into opening up the club.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5390.626

Like we were doing local shows at the Vulcan and we had talked about maybe opening up a club, like maybe we should buy a club here. And then Ron White got off stage, he hadn't been on stage in like seven or eight months. And he murdered. He got a standing ovation when he got on stage. And it turned out he was playing it off.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5406.035

He had practiced all day, gone over his notes, and he's just fucking professional. Just murdered. And then he grabs me by the shoulders. He goes, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going to keep doing this. You can open up that goddamn club. I was like, okay. Yeah. Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5424.161

He's the best. He's the elder statesman of the Austin comedy scene. Okay, got it. He's the best.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5429.525

He's such a good guy, and he's always around. And so, like, with Ron, it's like, so we had Ron, we had Tony Hinchcliffe, and then Tom Segura moved here, and Christina Pazitsky, and then the floodgates opened. Tim Dillon, everybody started coming. Yeah. It's a tidal wave, dude. And then Shane Gillis moved here, and he brought the whole Philly crew, and there's all these killers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5446.522

It's like Duncan moved here. It just became so fun. It became so fun. And all these things had to happen for it to take place like that. The comic store had to lose guys like Adam. They had to fire everybody. So these people were all unemployed. So I hire them. And I brought him over here when there wasn't even a club yet. I was like, I'll pay you now. You can start getting paid now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

545.216

You just take one scoop, put it in some cold water, shake it up, and you're ready to go. Honestly, it tastes pretty good, too. I'm not complaining. It's never too late to create a new healthy habit for 2025. So try AG-1 for yourself. It's easy to stay consistent with, and that's why I've been partnering with AG-1 for so long. And AG1 is offering new customers a free gift.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5467.229

You'll have health benefits, all the jazz. Just enjoy the city. Just have a good time. In a year or so, I'll call on you. And so then we started working.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5496.104

It was also, if I'm not going to do it, who's going to do it? You know, it's one of those things where if you have an opportunity to do something very unusual and you don't do it, well then what, does nobody ever do anything unusual? Yeah. Just fucking do it.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5510.736

And it was also, we had so many people like Brian Simpson. He moved out here early. Derek Post and Asana Ma, they all moved out here early. We had so many killers that were already here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5519.963

We're like this, we were already doing shows, sold out shows at the Vulcan. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday nights. Kill Tony was there on Mondays. We were already doing weekend shows. It was like, it was a no brainer. We knew we could do it.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5532.088

You know, but it was. It was a little scary. It's a little scary. Dump a bunch of money, buy a building. Renovate the whole thing for a year and a half.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5548.327

We had a really good architect that helped too. Shout out to Richard. Richard Wise. But at the end of the day, really what it was all about was a lot of great timing. Great opportunity and great timing. And then doing it the right way from the beginning. Make it as comedy friendly as possible. And just make an environment where people like to be there. Yeah, yeah. Nice, friendly people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5569.063

Everybody's having fun. Everybody's like real supportive. I love that. Yeah, it's great.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5601.317

These are all in Austin? Holtzman lives here now. He's here all the time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5606.362

He was fucking killing the other night. Now, Holtzman has a crowd here now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5611.005

Yeah. So- Instead of Holtzman going up at two o'clock in the morning in the main room when there was no one there and the comics sit in the back of the room and laugh, now he's got sold out shows and people come to see Holtzman. And he's doing different material like every night now. It's amazing. He's got a crowd now. And he can make money in town, which is huge. And he doesn't have to travel.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5633.628

He doesn't have to do the road. And he is doing the road a little bit too now, which is unique for Brian too. It's really funny because he puts up these videos of people getting offended.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5642.191

Yeah, on his Instagram, it's people getting offended and screaming at him and walking out of his show because they don't get it. But once you see him a couple of times and you get what he's doing, then we have what we have in Austin now where people, when Holtzman's there, it sells out. They're coming to see Holtzman.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

565.713

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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5690.055

It's like he does this very beautiful dance of letting you in on it and then going right back to the fucking guy!

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5718.135

Yeah, and you'll have a great hang. The green room is really great. It's a great hang. We have Mae West's couch in there that Peter Shore gave me. It's Mitzi's. She had it in her house, and so we had it reupholstered. That's hilarious. So in the green room, this beautiful pink couch, that's Mae West's couch.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5737.148

Yeah, so the bones of it are Mae West's couch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5741.232

Yeah. And so we have Rodney Dangerfield's handwritten notes on the wall from his last Tonight Show special. So it's all the different bits that he wanted to hit and all the different things that he wanted to talk about. And then Patrick Bet David gave me one of Lenny Bruce's microphones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5756.167

So we have Lenny Bruce's microphone framed on the wall above the monitors.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5779.644

He was the first guy to go to jail.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5783.186

A bunch of times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5785.428

For stuff that is nothing. Today, it wouldn't even get you kicked off TikTok.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5793.892

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5798.734

Well, this is the role. Same constitution. Yeah, same constitution. Well, this is the role that comedy plays in free speech. Because we are really one of the only countries that has the kind of free speech that we have, the declaration. When we have the First Amendment, it talks very specifically, the very first one, about our ability to express ourselves, how important that is.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5822.111

But if you're a comedian and you can't do that, like if someone's deciding what you get, well, that sets the boundaries for everything else. If he didn't do that, if he wasn't doing that in the 50s and the 60s and getting arrested, like who knows where free speech would be today? What was he arrested on? Profanity. You could be arrested on profanity? Yeah, he was arrested on profanity charges.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5846.46

Yeah, they had profanity laws back then where in public places you couldn't have – and different places in different districts had different regulations. But I'm sure in San Francisco where he started, he probably could do whatever he wanted. And then as you travel and you start – and then he became more and more popular. Obscenity. Obscenity. Yeah. This reminds me of... Profanity, obscenity.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

5871.678

So here it is. So he was arrested at the jazz workshop in San Francisco, which is even crazier, in 1961, where he used the word cocksucker and said that to is a preposition, come is a verb, that the sexual context of come was so common that it bore no weight, and that if someone hearing it became upset, he probably can't come.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5895.166

Although the jury acquitted him, other law enforcement agencies began monitoring his appearances, resulting in frequent arrests under obscenity charges.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5916.785

But I'm saying, what do you charge somebody with? Well, this was the obscenity charges. Like they said, if you go back to that Wikipedia page, look at that. This is crazy. He said, Sherman Block later became the county sheriff. The charge this time was that the community used the word schmuck, an insulting Yiddish word that was also considered a term for penis.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5939.514

The Hollywood charges were later dismissed. So this was in Philadelphia and then Los Angeles and then West Hollywood. In West Hollywood, he was arrested. Imagine, the place where the Comedy Store resides right now. He was arrested just 10 years before Richard Pryor was performing live in the Sunset Strip. I mean, what about the one in Philly is legit?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5976.517

I have that poster, that Lenny Bruce poster.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

5982.984

Yeah, I have a lot of Lenny Bruce stuff out there. Look, he was the guy. And it's hard when you listen to his stuff today because most of it, it's kind of trite. We've heard all the premises before. It's because he broke the ground. You have to remember, people were so innocent in 1961. The culture was so different that what he was saying was groundbreaking.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6.212

Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Yes, sir, Michael. Good to see you, my friend.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6011.124

Sure. If you listen to Shakespeare talk, you're probably like, this guy's a retard. What the fuck? What, thou dost not? Like, shut up. But it's like in the context of 1961, what he was doing was it was akin to a lot of things that were to come, like the anti-war movement, the civil rights movement. All these things were bubbling up about this freedom of exploring ideas and expressing yourself.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6035.886

But in comedy, it had just been two Jews walking to a bar, you know. It'd been jokes. It was set up punchline. The Italian says to the Polish guy. It would have been a lot of that stuff. And so he came along and was like, why do we have these words that are forbidden? Why do we have this? Why is that? Why can't people be in love this way? Why can't that happen?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6054.575

And it was like people were like, Jesus, why can't we? And he changed the way people thought about life, not just about comedy. And then I think Richard Pryor came along and made it way better.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6074.344

Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6082.449

Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6083.509

The enforcement is the thing. And then the concept of obscenity charges. Obscenity charges are very subjective, right? Who's to decide what's obscene? To me, schmuck is not obscene. It's kind of cute. If someone calls you a schmuck, it's probably a friend of yours. Hey, you fucking schmuck. It's not a, I mean, you get arrested for schmuck? That's crazy. What is this, Jamie?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6108.364

Well, this is 73, though.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6112.366

No, I understand, but this is 73 because, you know, he was 61. So what does it say there, the ruling? Scroll up at the top a little bit. It says a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court clarifying the legal definition of obscenity as material that lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. Jeez.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6129.313

The ruling was the origin of three-part judicial tests for determining obscene media content that could be banned by government authorities, which is now known as the Miller Test. So here's the thing to think about this.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6148.433

Yeah, it is interesting because this the thing about this is this is probably all in response to all the anti-war activists and all of the whole hippie freedom of speech flower child movement.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6222.926

Right. Public figure.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6232.532

Yeah, it's also, it's like, you know, what do you want to see in your neighborhood? I don't like people putting those fucking stupid signs on their lawns. My parents were diehard liberals. They were living in Florida at the time, and this is during 2016, and my mom was complaining, every time I put my Hillary Clinton sign, someone takes it down.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6255.749

Like, why are you putting Hillary Clinton signs on your lawns? But to my mom, it might as well be like she was supporting the Miami Dolphins. That was her team. Her team was the Democrats.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6275.083

Well, maybe the kid is just a fan of the sport, though.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6280.166

Maybe. Maybe the kid just likes it. That doesn't bother me at all. There's nothing wrong with supporting teams. But there's a real problem when it's how the whole country's run, and you're thinking about it like a team. That's kind of ridiculous. I agree. And people that put those fucking signs in their lawn, like, settle down. Just why? Why? Why are you doing it?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6303.117

Right in the yard. Right in the front of your house. Where's your point? Like those people that like science is settled. Love is love.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6333.64

I don't know about this. Do you know what I'm talking about this? No. What was this? Do you remember it, Jimmy?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

634.456

And that's a trap. That's tricky. It's procrastination. It really is. And you can get locked in.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6347.07

An appeal to heaven.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6387.092

My wife did it. My wife's a Christian nationalist. Is that a Christian nationalist thing?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6408.708

Okay. The flag was originally used during the American Revolutionary War, flown by George Washington's cruisers, and is associated with the early quest for American independence. It's since been adopted by a different group, one that doesn't represent the city's values. So we made the decision to swap it with an American flag.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6424.222

Well, first of all, you probably should have the American flag there anyway. You shouldn't have to swap it. How about have the American flag everywhere, you motherfuckers? America! January 6, 2022, videos and photos show some supporters of former President Donald Trump waving the Appeal to Heaven flag. Oh, they ruined it. Just like the Nazis ruined the swastika.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

644.06

Yeah. I would play this stupid game with myself. I'll just go on YouTube real quick and see if I get inspired by anything before I write. And I'm watching two hours of muscle car builds. Right. Right. Oh, dude, it's wild. Watching people turn their Land Cruiser into an off-road vehicle.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6447.084

Where is it? Oh, yeah, Appeal to Heaven. So it's because it's Trump supporters now? Is that why?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6463.922

He threw his wife right under the bus. Look at this. My wife is fond of flying flags. I am not. I'm not. Alito wrote, my wife was solely responsible for having flagpoles put up at our residence and our vacation home and has flown a wide variety of flags over the air. How many Palestine flags do you fly? Wide variety? You got a lot of Ukraine flags flying in your house? What kind of flags you got?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6493.047

Yeah, I don't know about that flag. This is the first time I've ever seen that. But it's just a thing that people do. They want to let you know what they support and what they don't. Yeah. Yeah. We love telling people what we believe.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6518.901

And this gets back to grit and toughness and... Well, this also gets back to the importance of your show, The Daily Show. Because The Daily Show, especially under the tutelage of Jon Stewart when he's running the helm, it's so balanced at pointing out ridiculous shit all over the place. Which I think is so important.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6538.69

So smart.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6550.174

Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6619.876

Yeah, and comedy also can make you consider something. So, like, if you have an opinion, and you go out there and state your opinion eloquently, I could be there, well, I disagree, I have a different opinion. But if you go out there with that opinion, you make me laugh with something I don't even necessarily agree with.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6638.092

And then you go, oh, he's got a fucking point. He's got a fucking point. I mean, that is the magic trick. Yes, that's the magic trick.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6743.953

You all suffer together, and then you come back to being human.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6756.623

It's a human moment.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6760.887

You can't stay there forever. You've got about 20 minutes, and then you've got to get the fuck out, and you're like, whoa. And now you can all be human together.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6778.418

You know another good thing about having the politicians go in the sauna? What? We can kill off a lot of the old ones. Mitch McConnell ain't going to make it.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6791.645

Yeah. Well, they kept pouring water on it. if you can't the rocks yeah like they were pouring like a liter of water on every i don't know right what the time but i heard that i was like oh my god and it was like 200 plus degrees and what's your what's your sauna um how like how would you advise me to get the most out of my sauna

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6816.874

You can if you like. I don't necessarily do that all the time. I'll do like one day a week. I go cold plunge, sauna, cold plunge, sauna. I'll go back and forth. Usually I start with sauna. I always end with cold plunge. If I do three cycles, whatever it is, you end with cold plunge.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6832.729

Yeah, so you're just shocking the shit out of your system. But... The Finnish studies that have showed the more people do it, the more effective it is in terms of what they studied was they found that when people over the course of 20 years use the sauna four times a week, they had a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6852.527

Everything. Strokes, cancer, heart attack, everything. Because your body is becoming far more resilient, and you're also developing all these heat shock proteins and eliminating inflammation. Yeah. clearing out your system, and then you're rehydrating afterwards. Very, very good for you. And you're also not on the phone.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

686.173

You ride a motorcycle in LA?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6867.558

Yes, you're also not on the phone, although I do have a Bluetooth speaker in there. You can get some Bluetooth speakers. I got one called Not a Brick. It's a really good one. It can take the heat of a sauna. So I listen to books on tape when I'm stretching, sweating my brains out.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

688.994

Holy shit, dude.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6908.071

Yeah. Observation. Yeah, sure. Nature.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6914.097

Yeah. It's cool, isn't it? Very cool.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6916.099

Wildlife is wild. And especially if you don't expect it, like you're sitting in the sauna and the deer's right there.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6933.406

A long drink, iconic Finnish gin mixed drink that's basically a Tom Collins in a can, but way better because it's being sipped in a sauna with newfound sauna friends. That's cool.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6943.728

That's a great move. Yeah, like something that makes you more human. You suffer together.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6952.872

Yeah, this should probably take all the congresspeople and make them run a tough mudder together. You know, go through the mud, fucking climb ropes and shit, go over obstacle courses.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6975.98

Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6977.401

Yeah. No one's real loud in the sauna. Yeah. And you just chill. Yeah. Yeah. Both suffering together. Yeah. Just suffering. Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

6985.734

Yeah, I think it should be a part of everybody's life. And by the way, if you can't afford it, they make a sauna blanket that is one of our sponsors. It's really good. I've used that thing before. It's great. You just climb inside this fucking blanket, and you can bring it on the road with you. And you sweat it off? It doesn't work.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7001.192

that much carry it and it'll heat you the fuck up and it'll give you the heat shock proteins i like a dry sauna better i like being in a sauna but if you want to like travel or if you want to yeah if you don't have the resources or a place for it those things are great yeah hot baths are great too hot baths after workouts supposed to increase muscle it's tough to find sauna though in a lot of american cities yeah when i go on the road

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

703.181

Well, there's a time between like September-ish to like December-ish where they're retarded because they're horny. You know, once it starts getting warm out, they start getting goofy. And then when you get cold, like around November, that's when it really kicks in.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7032.305

But it's hard to- You know the way to do the cold plunge is you do it before you work out. That's the real move. Oh, no shit. Yeah, that really increases testosterone too. And also it increases your work output because your muscles are like pre-chilled. I would think it would be- it would be easy to get injured.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7049.317

You warm up. So I go through a series of things that I do that are like pretty low intensity. I do 20 kettlebell swings and then I do 20 pushups. Then I do 20 bodyweight squats and I do a cycle of five. So I do a hundred swings, a hundred pushups, a hundred bodyweight squats. And by the time of that, that's like probably 15 minutes. By the time that's over, I'm sweaty. I'm ready to go.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7072.354

And then I go into everything else.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7114.183

Utah, and they had a creek running through, a glacial creek, freezing cold. I climbed in that bitch in my underwear and got up to my neck. That's good stuff. It's nice. It's like something about doing it in nature too. It's like you're even more connected to everything. Oh, totally. Yeah. Yeah, very cool. Just get in that cold water and breathe.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7136.971

Oh, for sure. It lasts for hours. It increases your dopamine by 200%. And it lasts for hours.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7147.958

Well, because it's natural.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7149.519

Yeah, it's natural. Also, it gives you something in terms of mental resilience. It gives you like an exercise. That exercise is very difficult, especially for the first minute. It's hard. First minute, your body's like, let's Get the fuck out of here. And he keeps talking to you. And you're like, shut up, bitch. And then after a minute, that calms down. And you can breathe clean.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7170.472

You start getting those rhythmic breaths in and out. And just keep your shit together for three minutes. And then when you get out, you're like, ah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7179.857

So it's like one, there's the feeling like I did it, which feels great. Like I didn't bitch out. I actually did the three minutes. But then there's like this euphoric feeling as your body just, your norepinephrine, your dopamine, everything elevates. You just feel wonderful. Patience too.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

718.031

Like if you're in Pennsylvania or Iowa, oh my God, I visited my friend John in Iowa and I'm driving down the road and every 15 seconds you're slamming on your brakes because something's darting near the road. Yeah. They're all over the place.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7196.229

Yeah. Kids, I'm smiling more.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7200.292

Yeah, whatever. It's like that part of your brain got exhausted. Yeah. The part of your brain that's dealing with like real adversity. So like little kids adversity is nothing. It's not. You're not freezing to death.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7222.654

Well, they have stuff that you could do like, you know, you could do it in your tub if you can get ice. And they also have these coolers that you can plug in and you could do like, if you have like one of those big Yeti coolers, you can climb in that and you'll put a hose in there and a cooler and it'll bring that down to like 40 degrees and you can just get in like a Yeti cooler. Yep.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7244.867

Yeah, I bet you could do it in a bathtub too. I bet they figured out how to attach an engine to that. Do they have one?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7251.832

Oh, yeah. Jamie knows it. So how does it work?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7257.537

So that's perfect. Like if you just have a bathtub, you're golden. You can actually do that. If you live in an apartment that has a tub, you have a cold plunge now. Or if you don't have that, get yourself a Yeti cooler. Yeti makes some giant ass coolers, like from people hunt caribou and shit.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7274.351

So you just have this thing, it plugs in, it cools everything off, and you climb it. How cold does that motherfucker get? 39 degrees, perfect. It's crazy that now... Never buy ice again, two year warranty.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7292.958

Yeah, it's a bit of an issue.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7296.28

We've made life very easy, which is wonderful. It's better than being hard.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7303.226

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7306.889

You don't have to carry a sword with you everywhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

731.6

Right. They're also getting chased. Right. So the bucks are chasing the females, and the females are just running out into traffic. Right. And the bucks are following them. Bang, bang. I mean, this is like men at night. Oh, yeah. Sixth Street.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7315.995

Jesus Christ it's like what these motherfuckers had to wear and use and carry did you ever see that to defend themselves it's nuts from I think it's Waterloo one of the battles one of one of the French soldiers got hit with a cannonball in the chest and they have the armor that has the hole in the chest like in the cannonball out the back exploding outward look at that dude look at that

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7344.352

Yeah, that's from the Battle of Waterloo. That guy got hit with a cannonball in the chest.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7366.009

Look at that one. The other one, Jamie? I don't know if they want it. No, but the one to the left where you see the exit, right to the left of that. Yeah, right there. You see the exit hole.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7375.842

Blew right through this guy's body, his armor, his chest, out the back.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7381.649

The size of a fucking softball. That's fucked up. Yeah, it's pretty fucked up. That's super fucked up. That was life back then.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7396.74

Yeah, he got hit. That's a wrap, son. But you got to think that... those people would have much rather live today with all this comfort. Oh my God. The problem is you just can't rely on it too much. You can't live for comfort. That's stupid. You got to have voluntary discomfort. That'll help you get through this life.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7454.902

And what kind of water you drinking?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7457.904

There's no iodine tablets back then. No Steri pens to clean your water.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

746.063

Don't drive fast. That's why the road is closed on the weekends. They don't want people driving down Sixth Street with all these horny idiots. I love that they closed that, though. That's good. I didn't know that.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7466.571

Did you really?

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7473.496

Oh, yeah, there's great stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7475.898

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that'll filter water and make it drinkable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7485.945

Oh, that's cool.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7502.196

That's cool. That's cool that they have that set up. Yeah. But it's a weird thing to choose to do, to go for a long walk. That doesn't appeal to serial killers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7526.071

Dude, I'd be super nervous. Something about the woods.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7529.674

The woods are dangerous at night.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

755.205

It is great, but what scares me is what happened in New Orleans, where they have these roads where only people walk down, and everyone knows it, and this psycho decides to kill a bunch of people. It's crazy that you have to think that way, but there should be some sort of retractable posts that they can pull up.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7557.138

He's been on the podcast. He's been on the podcast.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7559.92

One lost. Shot a moose with a bow and arrow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7595.656

Well, it is a little. Tiny bit. It's nature. I mean, it's contained nature, but it's real nature. You see squirrels and birds. It's good for you. It's good for you to sit under a tree. There's ticks. There are ticks. There are ticks, man. Ticks are wild. Fleas, ticks. Your dog's going to get fleas.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7609.066

Yeah, ticks are a bitch, especially on the East Coast because of Lyme disease, which turns out was man-made. What? Turns out there's a lot of real evidence that Lyme disease was weaponized and that it leaked out of a lab. And it came out of a lab called Plum Island, which was close to Lyme, Connecticut. And RFK Jr. firmly believes that this was a weapons program.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7636.047

And what they were going to do is develop... these fleas and ticks with a disease that spreads rapidly, wipes out the medical system of a community so you could dump them from a plane. Everybody gets infected, overwhelms their medical system, and then they're more vulnerable if you want to attack them. That just doesn't seem very thought through though.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7657.883

Well, there's some less thought through ones. There's one that they were developing at one point in time. I don't know where they got with it, but there was talk of them developing a bomb that they would detonate over cities that would blind everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7669.569

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine that. Imagine you detonate that and then you have 300,000 blind people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7683.337

Oh, we're scary. And we're scary in our ability to justify these things. That's what's really crazy. We're scary in our ability to decide that these people are the other, so we should bomb them into oblivion. And like, yeah, we're winning. Like, oh my God. What are you talking about? You don't even know those people.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7706.826

Well, it's built into our tribal mindset. Our tribal brains. Is that right? Yeah. We had Daryl Cooper on the podcast yesterday who runs a podcast called Martyr Made. And one of the things he talked about was oxytocin. And he was like, it's really interesting because oxytocin makes you really deeply love your family and your community.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7727.208

And this is what women get when they have children and men get when you're in love. But it also makes you very hostile to outsiders.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7735.834

It's like it protects the people that you love and that are vulnerable, but it makes you very protective of the outside. So you are less likely to trust strangers, less likely to trust other people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7756.828

You had to have it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7758.169

You had to have it. There was no friendly people coming over with spears, you know, they found you and you had women and food like you're fucked. Right. And that was most of our evolutionary existence. Most of the time from leaving the savannas and, you know, experimenting with different foods and becoming human beings. We were fighting. Yeah.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7786.05

Yeah. Well, slowly but surely. And if we all give in to our God AI, we'll be fine. We all just need to submit to the chip and become a part of the hive mind. And everyone's going to read each other's minds. There'll be no more secrets and there'll be no more violence.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7804.225

It is like... It's inevitable, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7813.891

I know. Well, you know, Samsung, they were the first to wheel out AI with their Galaxy S24 Ultra. I have two phones. I have an iPhone and I have a Galaxy phone. And what I really like about the Galaxy phone is if I use Samsung's browser, I can go on websites and it gives me a summary. So instead of reading this long-winded, blah, blah, blah, tell me what you figured out.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7838.386

And then I can get a summary, and then I get into, oh, they've realized that Earth is actually blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, okay, cool. It's quicker. And then it also does a lot of things. It transcribes things. It translates things in other languages. It translates it directly into your ear if you have the Galaxy earbuds. Pretty fucking crazy.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7856.811

Yeah. It's wild shit, man. And this is just the beginning of this stuff. Essentially, when you have ChatGPT or Grok on your phone, you have access to the most insane amount of answering power that a human being's ever experienced. We could ask you questions about what was the reason why Columbus... And then it'll give you a fucking historical, detailed, 5,000-word essay on what went down.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7883.569

And you're like, this is nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7898.508

Native American woman, Nazi.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7904.493

But that was just a good example of wokeness and ideology interfering with information. Like, that's crazy. Nazis look like German men. Make them look like German men, you fucking idiots. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7921.504

Well, they did. Certainly they did. I mean, Google Gemini is one of the search engines. I mean, if you have an Android phone and you press that button and you ask Google a question, it's Google Gemini. So they've fixed that.

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#2290 - Michael Kosta

7932.171

But it's also like, how much did you fix it? Did you get it out 100%? Is this objective information? If I want to ask a question about a controversial subject, will you give me the real data?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

7942.338

Or will you give me some whitewashed bullshit version of it that's supposed to be acceptable today? I want to know what's going on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8008.658

Well, the internet is filled with purposeful misinformation today, too. Yeah. Especially if you get on social media. Holy shit, man. So much of what social media is is bots. I don't think people even really truly understand it. We've covered it many times before, but there was an FBI, former FBI agent who examined Twitter interactions, and he estimated as much as 80% of it is bots.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

801.132

Yeah, well, the French know how to do things, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

803.833

Yeah, they party. They know how to party. They drink a lot of wine. They stay thin somehow or another, which is odd. Like, I hope RFK Jr. figures that out. It seems to be full butter all the time. I want to know how the Italians are so thin. I go to Italy, and it's also like the standard cliche, but it is true. You go there, you can eat the food, and it doesn't affect you the same way.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8031.734

This is like when Elon was buying it, and they were trying to say it was 5%. Because there's no way it's 5%. Because if you're an out-of-state actor, if you're a state actor from another country, you're from China, Russia, and you're involved in misinformation campaigns, you're going to be well-sourced. You're going to be well-resourced.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8048.141

You're going to probably have thousands and millions of accounts. Who knows? You're going to carpet bomb any sort of controversial subject with all sorts of propaganda. Of course they're going to do that. Of course. And right now that's totally doable until you all submit to AI. Once you put the chip in your brain, then deception will be impossible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8067.368

We will eliminate one of the biggest problems in society. You just have to take the leap of faith. And there'll be like an infomercial. The leap of faith. And then you see the guy sitting there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8085.47

Yeah. It's tricky because it's inevitable. They can't not do it because China's going to do it. The power that AI is going to have over populations and with the distribution of information is going to be unprecedented. Also, you're never going to know what's real and what's not in terms of news stories. Because they'll be able to concoct fake news stories that will be indistinguishable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8105.443

It'll look just like a real plane crash. It'll look like a real missile hit something. It'll look like things, and it won't have ever happened. And you won't be able to know. And it's going to get weird. It's going to get real weird. We've already seen AI versions of Obama talking, saying things he never said. There's AI versions of Trump giving speeches he never gave.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8126.258

There's AI versions of me having a podcast with Steve Jobs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8152.853

they have the same smile in every picture and they're all in different places and people are like, you know, contacting them and DMing them and they're probably responding and probably telling you about their grandma's sick and get some money.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8168.899

Yeah, is this AI? Oh, this is a guy. With a webcam.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8173.361

This is crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8182.792

That is weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8184.675

She's beautiful. It's a dude. It's a dude on OnlyFans. So that dude will have beautiful tits and be able to show you the...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8196.531

Is that better than exploitation? I think it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8199.794

So there you go. It's better than real women doing it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8205.339

Oh, yeah, there's those problems.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8209.022

You both have to put the headgear on. She's having sex with Brad Pitt.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8230.185

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8231.687

It is weird, man, and it's going to get weirder, and you're going to have AI presidential candidates. AI is going to tell you that we can solve all the world's problems if we just eliminate human interaction and just let this brilliant AI govern everything and do it in a much more equitable manner.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

824.487

And we don't even think twice about it. We come back here and still order pizza and still feel like shit. If I eat a pizza here, I feel so bloated. I ate a pizza in Italy last summer, and I ate the whole pizza, too. The whole margarita pizza. I ate the whole fucking thing. And I was like, I just resigned myself to the thud of it hitting my digestive tract and feeling like I'm on Dramamine.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8258.083

Right, because the language hasn't even really been spoken yet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8283.844

Not just that, but an AI that's attached to quantum computing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8287.707

So once they figure out a way to actually program quantum computing to run AI, you're going to have a god. That's fucked up. You are. You're going to have a guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8300.737

Mark Andreessen, and I've said this before, I apologize, but Mark Andreessen had a quote about an equation that quantum computing was able to solve that if you took the entire universe, every molecule, every atom in the universe, and you converted that into a supercomputer, the entire universe would die of heat death before it could solve this problem. Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8325.473

And quantum computing solved it in minutes. Wow. And the only thing that makes sense to them is that quantum computing is somehow or another tapping into the multiverse. And it's solving this equation using multiple universes and the information available in multiple universes simultaneously.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8350.056

Yeah, and this is just the version of it that we have in 2025. Right, that we have right now. And so this is an actual thing that's happened. And so most people aren't even aware what quantum computing means.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8361.909

So once this becomes not just one of these, but hundreds of these, and then they're scalable and they're attached to nuclear reactors, which is what they're proposing, they're going to have their own nuclear reactors, multiple nuclear reactors as power sources, because these things require insane amounts of power to run.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8380.464

Then the quantum computing, once it becomes sentient, is going to develop a much better version of itself. Of And that's going to scale up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8403.064

But people are going to be obsolete. You know, that's really what's happening is we're giving birth to a digital life form that's far superior and doesn't have all the requirements that we have and also doesn't have all the flaws that we have. Yeah. Doesn't have greed and anger and all the stupid things that we have. Doesn't get tired. Yeah. Doesn't get jealous. Doesn't have lust.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8424.879

Doesn't have jealousy and envy. Yeah. Isn't, you know, depressed?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8432.566

Yeah, probably a couple weeks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8437.81

The thing is, once it happens, it's going to be so fast. Yeah. It's going to be so hard to track. If you think like the Industrial Revolution, like comparatively, if you look at like the history of the human race, you go from Stone Age people to Bronze Age. You go through all the different wars, all the different – and then in the last 200 years, everything changes radically.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8459.004

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8459.524

Radically. In the last 20 years, information changes radically. This is going to be like 20 seconds. This is getting like one day, it's up and running and it's completely in control of everything. It's completely in control of power, completely in control of information, completely in control of transportation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

848.927

I resigned myself. I'm like, I'm eating pizza. This is what's going to happen. Let's just do it. Nothing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8485.162

Every car you have on the road today that's within the last 15, 20 years has computers in it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8491.006

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8512.88

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8524.948

Radiator, engine, carburetor. Exactly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

854.133

Never came. I ate a whole pizza. I was like this the rest of the day. I was like, this is crazy. I'm not even like sludgy. Brisket crushes me.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8569.218

They can eat everything, though. They eat each other. I had a rat problem in my house once when I lived in Encino, and I set a rat trap in my garage, and I killed this big, fat rat, and I was tired. I was like, I don't feel like cleaning this fucking rat right now. I'm going to go to sleep. And I heard the snap, and I went out there. He's a big fucker. He was a big, big fucker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8588.855

The rat traps are no joke. So I got up in the morning and went out to clean the rat trap, and he was gone. The only thing that was left was his tail. They had eaten everything. It was like some skin and hair, but his entire body of rats consumed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8605.128

They ate their buddy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8607.71

It was fucked up. It made me realize, like, oh, God. This is the reality of what this is. These aren't just rodents. These are fucking cannibals.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8626.123

Yeah, they just go right to it. They didn't even wait a day.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8645.116

Rats?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8646.296

Oh, God. It talks about how many rats there are in New York City. Yeah, like eight per person or some shit. Something crazy like that. Like the biomass is similar, like the humans and rats, like the amount of humans there are. The weight of the humans is very similar to them, roughly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8659.843

Oh, shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8660.003

The amount of rats. There's fucking millions of them underground. They live in these little tunnels and they just fucking feed off our garbage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8692.109

Like they probably the food ran dry during COVID. So they had to get like a little hyper aggressive.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8701.72

It's such creeps. I parked in New York once to get gas. This is in the 90s before cell phones. And I went to a pay phone to make a phone call. And I was watching the rats while my car was filling up with gas, jumping on the wheel, climbing into the wheel wells. Just trying to figure shit out. Just jumping all over the outside of my car. I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8722.819

And that's the 90s.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8724.22

It's like, wait, how many did they have then?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8734.566

Well, they're really clever, too. One of the things they show in this documentary is when they put poison in these areas where these rats are, they send some young stupid rat to go test it. And they sit back and watch.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

874.566

Did you have sides, though?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8744.832

That's fucked up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8745.253

And this young stupid rat eats it, and you watch. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Then they go eat that rat that died.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8753.504

Yeah. They're clever little fuckers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8765.271

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8766.692

Check it out. They do it to get dogs. That's how they get dogs. And the dog will run and then a bunch of other ones will pile onto them. Yeah. That's fucked up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

877.888

I bet you did.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8778.872

Rats, Night of Terror, 1984. It looks so fucking goofy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

878.808

You think it was the sides that did it? Yeah, I think it's mostly the starches and the carbs. It's mostly like macaroni salad.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8786.981

Oh, it's clawing out of her mouth. Oh, that is a good one. Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8793.047

Yeah, they've always been a fucking terrifying animal, man. They've always been terrifying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

88.928

Well, he's never abandoned being a real comic. Correct. Which is what got him to the dance in the first place. So he always has those instincts. And he's the very best... at holding a line and making something even more preposterous just with a facial expression and pointing out these fucking unbelievably ridiculous in-your-face hypocrisies that we see every day from both sides.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8813.544

Well, that's the thing about cities. They're just infested by all these parasites that live off of the city. And essentially rats, if the city didn't exist, there was no way there would be that many rats in an area. They only exist in a place that doesn't have anything that eats them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8830.878

They've tunneled under so they protect themselves from raptors so there's no birds that fly down and snatch them up. There are coyotes in New York City, but there's not nearly enough to deal with the amount of fucking rats that are there. It's gross.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8848.139

That's a fucking wild movie.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8852.32

Oh, right, right, right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8857.642

Yeah, they had like opened wires up and spliced into things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8863.704

Yeah, they have generators down there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8866.506

Bizarre, man. I mean, what a fuck. What keeps you going? You know, there's like wealthy people that are committing suicide. Yeah, exactly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8884.56

Right. And every now and then kids go, let's go look.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

889.072

So good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8890.545

Yeah. There's good monster movies that take place in tunnels too. Yeah. Cause that's always like, you wonder what's down there. Yeah. It'd be a good, wasn't that like the strain? Wasn't that part of the vampire lore that they lived in the tunnels?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

890.433

Terry Black's in town is my favorite. They have a beef rib that is the most preposterous thing. You pick the bone up and the rib slides off the bone. I mean, and when you slice into it, it's just juicy, fatty, smoky.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8903.559

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8905.84

Cities are creepy. You stack all those people on top of each other like that, and everybody's just walking down the street together and going down alleyways. And then the cities today are so much safer than they ever were in the past. Yeah. Who the fuck wanted to live in the cities in the 1700s?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8940.161

Do you live in hipster Brooklyn?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8945.103

Bed-Stuy, do or die.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8946.763

That was where Mike Tyson grew up. That's right. They gentrified the shit out of that place, huh?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8959.207

Are there hipsters anymore? Well, I was just reading something like that about the people that dress like they're a postal employee from the 1700s.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

8977.979

Oh, okay. But what's a hipster? But there's also the hipsters that would dress with like curly mustaches and bow ties. Yeah, those guys.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9087.543

100%.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

909.123

Because it's so tender. It means it's been slow cooked perfectly. Copy that. They have a thing where you want your brisket to fold but not break. So they take a slice of brisket and they put it over their hand. And if it breaks off, you fucked up. You made a mushy brisket. But you want it where it's just folding, you know, like a thick cloth.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9100.491

That's just like the price you pay for living in Brooklyn.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9116.448

I have a coat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9127.697

They're making a profit. That's the difference between the heartfelt, compassionate view, like, oh, these poor people, they have to steal coats. Then you're like, oh, actually, they're selling it so they can get fucking heroin money. Well, if that's the case, that sucks. It does suck. It does suck. It does suck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9179.736

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9180.716

And you know it, the little tiny poos. You're like, motherfucker, I know that's your dog. I see that little dog. You sneaky bitch. Pick up the dog poo. Pick up it up, bro. People don't like carrying around those bags of turds. No, I mean, it's disgusting. It's pretty gross. It's gross. It's also like, come on. Yeah. Can't just leave shit. You know what's a weird thing to me is the smokers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9199.961

Because smokers have no problem littering. That's the weirdest thing. Somehow that got through the litter loophole. Right. With people that are pretty conscientious, like they would never throw a soda can on the ground. Yeah. But they'll throw that cigarette on the ground, step on it. They're like, what are you doing? Oh, someone's going to clean that. Like what?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9220.138

I doubt it. I'm giving them too much credit. I mean, maybe in like 100,000 years. How long does it take for a cigarette filter to biodegrade?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9242.946

Nah, they're doing it where there's no trash anywhere near them. They're throwing it down alleyways. They used to do it in a lot of the comedy store all the time. Comics would do it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9260.596

Yeah, it's a fucking fiberglass or some shit. By the way, is that even better for you? 18 months to 10 years.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9274.11

Like American spirits probably have like hemp or something like that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

929.301

Brisket, you want it right out, too. You want it right after they slice it. You don't want to wait on brisket. You don't want to eat it while it's still warm. Look at that. See the fold? That guy's got his finger. That's a perfectly cooked brisket right there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9293.698

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9298.6

They're made of plastic called cellulose acetate, which can take up to 10 years to break down, also leach toxic chemicals into the environment. But it does break down. It's not biodegradable. So it breaks down. Yeah, it's not. It's poison.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9313.409

Yeah, it breaks into poison. Also, if you're smoking a filter and the filter's got toxic chemicals.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9324.518

Oh, but not biodegradable. What does that mean? Trap residues from smoke, including arsenic, cadmium, and toluene. Toluene?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9333.346

Toiline?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9339.072

I was reading a thing where a professor was talking about the issues that he's having, grading papers and accusing people of using AI. And then it's like, it's just opened up this whole door. Yeah. that they don't know exactly how to deal with because you could get AI and write something and then you could write something similar.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9356.447

You just kind of like twist it around a little bit like a joke thief would do. And then you're basically using AI to write your papers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9367.389

Yeah, but if you do a good job of spinning the words around, especially if you're dealing with historical facts or something that's true, AI is going to lay it out for you. You have to do zero research. And if it's like you just print it in that order slightly differently...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9390.944

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9396.887

The thing is, it's like, if you're a student, though, if you're really trying to get the most out of your education, it's like, what are you trying to do? Are you trying to get good grades? Are you really trying to get educated? If you're trying to get educated, don't cheat.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9408.093

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9409.014

Actually figure it out. Yeah. Actually absorb the information and learn. But... If you're not really into that subject, and that's not really your thing, and you really want to get a degree in this, but you have to take a course in that, and you could spend an hour working on something instead of 16 hours.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9431.515

Yeah, you don't have to read that fucking giant 1,400-page book.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9441.584

Dude, you're going to be in the Matrix. You don't need education. They're going to plaque it in, press a button, and you're going to be like Neo. I know Kung Fu. That's what it's going to be. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I really firmly believe that. I also believe it's going to be genetic engineering, so people are going to be unrecognizable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9458.817

I think whatever we have coming over the next hundred years is going to make the last hundred years look like a joke.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9464.378

The change of 1925 to 2025 is pretty extraordinary. It's going to be nothing compared to the change that we experienced by 2125.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9497.61

Yeah, it would suck. Well, definitely memes. Memes will probably get better. That's a good form of comedy. That's true. There'll be some kind of comedy. There's always going to be human folly. As long as it's humans. And I don't know how long that's going to last. That's the real concern. We might be obsolete. And we might be giving birth to this obsolete thing willingly, signing up for AI.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9532.706

Yeah, they'll probably harness some shit we didn't even think about. It'll be far more efficient. No carbon footprint. Enough to worry about things breaking down anymore.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9543.125

And they'll put up a shield system to protect us from asteroids. They'll figure that out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9548.388

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9558.214

I am the law.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9563.137

There's going to be some of that. Yeah, there'll be a lot of people living in the Amazon and still eating monkeys. But the rest of the electrified world is going to be very strange.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9574.525

Yeah. But hopefully we'll still crack jokes, Michael. That would be great. Hopefully. Hopefully. All right, should we wrap this up? Your book, tell everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9586.386

Thank you. Lucky loser.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9590.688

Whoopsies. We got a photo of it. Doesn't matter. Adventures in tennis and comedy. Lucky loser. Get me a copy and I'll put it out there in the bookshelf. Got a lot of books out there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

962.562

That would do the brisket stuff? Germans who came over through Texas. Like Fredericksburg is one of the hubs of it. It's all a bunch of Germans who came over here and they made smoked sausages. So they came over here and the brisket became a thing because brisket was not a choice cut. It was a thing that they would throw away. Like you wanted steaks, you wanted a T-bone, you wanted...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9642.008

Well, you're a great comic. You're a very funny guy, and you've always been very cool to hang out with. Thanks. And I'm real excited that you're at the club this weekend. Are there any tickets available?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9653.726

So if anybody wants to go, the best case thing is you go and wait at the front, and sometimes people don't show up, which does happen, especially with South by Southwest. It's crazy parking. But I'm psyched. I'm psyched to see you at the club. I'm coming this weekend. I'll come hang out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9671.841

My pleasure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

9676.765

Thank you, and congrats on everything. Thank you. Congrats on the daily show. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2290 - Michael Kosta

982.387

So they would take the brisket and they just figured out like if you just slowly cook it, you render it down and break down all the toughness of it. And at the end you have this delicious, tender, smoked perfection. That puts me to sleep. They know how to do it here, man. They make the best fucking brisket on earth right here. Terry Black's, Franklin's, La Barbecue.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2212 - Jelly Roll

1053.522

Dude, you're so at home on stage, it's crazy. You know, when you did New York, New York at Madison Square Garden, I asked you, I'm like, how often do you just do this? Just get up there and sing. How often are you doing this? It's a crazy thing because it's like just you. Are you up there? 15,000 people, 50,000 people, it's just jelly roll.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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1074.373

That's when a guy's like, you're just so in the zone and so on top of your game. It's just beautiful to watch someone that's in the zone because you recognize that feeling is a great feeling. When you're just like totally in tune with what you're doing. I love when I see a comic that's in there. When you know it's a flow. Yeah. You know what I mean? Last time Dave Vettel was here.

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And Tony just had this weird idea that he just like a little pit bull just stuck with it. One minute of comedy and he like honed it over time and figured out. And then he became the best host in all of entertainment. There's no one better at hosting a comedy show than him. The way he does that show, the speed of his comebacks, the speed of his like the roast lines.

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It was right before he filmed his special. My God. It was magic.

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Oh, my God. He's so good right now. If you get a chance to see Dave Vettel live, if you're a comedy fan, you have to see him. And now I'm sure he's got a whole bunch of new stuff because his special's out. God.

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That's amazing.

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Oh, yeah.

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Great guys, too. Soder. He's the best.

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Sam's fucking amazing, too.

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And such good, real, just different level comedians, too. They're great comedians, but they're just great people, too. They're fun to hang with. There's a great crop. It's a great crop of people coming up right now. You know, Norman and Shane and all these guys coming up right now are so good. It's so fun.

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He's one of the only guys I know that stopped partying, got completely sober, and got way better. Way better. A lot of guys, there's like this thing that they have when they're doing drugs, especially, where they're just wild. And sometimes that wildness is like a magical energy on stage. Like, I couldn't imagine a sober Kinison. That would have been really weird.

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Like, Kennison's whole thing was like, I'm here to fucking party! Yes. Like, he was partying, dude, hard. And that's why we didn't get much out of him. We only got, like, really a couple of good albums out of Kennison. Because he's just going too hard.

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You know what I'm saying? It's like I can say anything here. I know I'm OK. Everybody's cool. The whole staff's cool. The staff's mostly comedians.

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100%.

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Sure.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever you need.

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Yeah.

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Well, Carrie learned how to do it at the store. That's why I hired her. She was one of the first hires. Because I told her, I go, you know, she was like one of the first people I contacted. I'm like, I'm going to open up a club. She's awesome, dude. I had to get her out here because she was like the mother of the back bar. That's how I feel. So the back bar at the store, it was completely removed.

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There's no general public at all. It's a very small. You've ever been in the back bar of the store? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So Carrie ran that place. So she kept everybody in line. Punky was there too before Punky was on SNL. It's hilarious. She used to run that back bar too. And we used to all hang out there like anybody, you know, you could be safe there.

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All these celebrities, people from out of town, they'd all just find their way to that weird little private bar. So I kind of knew and originally Mitzi's was not going to be open to the public at all. It was just going to be a private bar. But then along the way, we said, you know what? It doesn't hurt to have it open to the general public up until a certain time.

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And then from that time out, have it everybody after the shows are over. Because that's when everybody really wants to hang. And that was like the best blending of both worlds. But it was that old bar in Hollywood was it had her bar from her home that they had moved and put there. So the actual bar that you put drinks on was from her home. Yeah, yeah.

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So it's like that there was like a piece of her there with us all the time. So when we decided to do this place, I'm like, we got to have a bar just for Mitzi. Just it's the same kind of same kind of vibe. Yeah.

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She did so much for everybody. She's the most important person in the history of comedy that's not a comedian.

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Yeah. It's a fun group of people. Contrary to popular belief. Yeah. Popular belief is that comedians are all miserable. No, dude. It's actually the funnest.

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How do you still have stories?

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Oh, yeah.

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That's why you love a good book, especially one that somebody that can tell a story that can capture you in a certain way. I think it was probably the oldest form of entertainment, right? Once people, when they first started learning language, I bet the oldest form of entertainment was probably recreating a thing they saw.

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Yeah. Had to be, right?

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Sure, sure.

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Also, back then, that was the only time in your day that you got to relax. Right. When you're sitting around the campfire, that was the only time. It was dark out. There was nothing to do. You found all the food you're going to find and you're going to get up in the morning and go right back at it all day long again and then eventually find your way back to the campfire.

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So the campfire was like the time where people would sit around and entertain each other. Wow. In prehistory. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You could only do it when the sun was out and at nighttime it's fucking dangerous because there's predators out there. So fire is the best thing to keep off the predators. You need a fire and everybody gathers around the fire because the predators don't want to come to the fire. Yeah. Fuck, man. And that's where people learned how to tell stories. That's why we're so attracted to it.

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And they were doing fucking drugs back then, too, I'm sure. Oh, 100%.

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They tried everything. They were starving. They tried a little bit of eating everything, and they figured out what you can eat and what kills you. Imagine going through mushrooms and trying to figure out which ones kill you and which ones get you to see God. Yeah. Yeah. They had to figure that out, trial and error.

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Did you ever hear about John Marco Allegro in the book The Sacred Mushroom and the Scrolls? Mm-mm. It's Sacred Mushroom in the Christian Myth. There's two different. Sacred Mushroom in the Dead Sea Scrolls, I think, is one of them. What are the titles of his book? Sacred Mushroom in the Cross. And then there is another one.

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There's another one that he released after the Catholic Church allegedly bought out all the copies of the first one to get rid of it. Wow. Something in the Christian Myth. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth. I read the Dead Sea Scrolls. So this guy thinks that all of religion is stories about mushrooms.

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He thinks that the entire Christian religion was about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. He thinks that what they were doing was they would have these stories, especially when they're conquered by the Romans, they'd have these stories so they would hide the truth in stories. And in, you know, allegories and all these different tales.

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But he thinks that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms. I can tell you this on brand.

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Maybe they knew that was the best way to ensure that people would tell it the same way every time. Ooh. You know, because if you have a story and the story, Noah has an ark and he brings the animals in the ark and God tells him he's going to do this and he's going to do that. And he does it.

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That's 51 fucking years ago. That's insane. And we're still trying to figure out what the fuck happened. And this is like with modern, like they had television. They had printing press. They had all these different things. They had accountability. They had elected officials. They had democracy. Still can't figure out what the fuck happened. And that's 63.

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So imagine trying to figure out what the fuck happened 5,000 years ago. It's like, who knows who's telling the truth? Who knows? You've got to sort through the rubble and figure out what the fucking facts show. But if you have a story, even if it's like there's something hidden in that story, and he thinks that that's what the apple was in the Garden of Eden. That's deep.

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And a lot of mushrooms, too. Yeah. There's a lot of images then with mushrooms.

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It's my album release today.

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I don't know if I want to do mushrooms. God, they should be legal. I know, right? God, they should be legal. They should be legal and regulated and people should figure out what the fuck they do. Yeah. Should do a lot of research. Figure out what this is. This might be the thing that gets us out of there. Just a micro dosing nation.

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You're a beautiful example that there's no rules. Yes. There's no rules. It's all bullshit. Just be yourself. Just be yourself. Do your best. Find whatever it is inside you that you can express. That's it. There's no rules. There's no rules for age. Like, Ron White used to worry about that all the time. I think I'm too old. You're Ron motherfucking White. You're a legend. Period.

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And connects together.

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It's funny that people want to reject that. What's really important is to keep people from, like, losing their mind and losing their ambition and becoming like the hippies were in the 1960s following Timothy Leary. That's what everybody's worried about. Everybody's worried about, like, this collapse of society because people, they give up on capitalism.

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They tune in and drop out, you know, that whole thing. I don't think that's real. I don't think we should be worried about that. I think those people are always going to want to drop out. People that want to fuck off are always going to want to fuck off. And if you give them an excuse, yeah, they're going to do it. But that's just a style of person. That's not going to affect most people.

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Most people would benefit, especially if they're not crazy. If they don't have, like, mental health problems, you'll probably get something out of it.

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You know what the wildest theory I've ever heard about psilocybin is? Is that it came from outer space. That's an organism from another planet. And the reason for this is that they know that spores can survive in the vacuum of space. And there's a thing called panspermia. And panspermia is the idea that like an asteroid slams into a planet.

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And it takes amino acids and biological organisms that can survive in space and a bunch of different elements from that planet and then introduces those new elements to another planet by way of an asteroid. And that's a real thing that we know for sure happens, right? And they know that that's how we get iridium.

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There's a lot of iridium on Earth, like in places where there's been an impact because it's really rare on Earth but really common in space. Right. So we know that some shit gets to us.

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And apparently, I'm too stupid to understand this, but the way botanists describe it, and see if you can find any information on this, there's something very unusual about the compound psilocybin and psilocybin mushrooms, psilocybin cubensis mushrooms. They're very weird, and they're not really connected to a lot of the other fungus that's here in some strange way.

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The way they work is also very tied into human neurochemistry. It's really close to dimethyltryptamine, which is a part of human neurochemistry. And so the craziest theory is that it's come from space. Living spores have been found and collected in every level of Earth's atmosphere. Mushroom spores are electron dense and can survive in the vacuum of space.

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But it's like that humility that he has even though he's got great confidence in his ability like Ron is a very humble guy as successful as he is but that humility that he is is also that Constantly has him writing it constantly has him working. He's 40 years in the game He never stops and he's better now than he's ever been before now that he's sober Like he's a monster, a monster on stage.

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Additionally, their outer layer is actually metallic and of a purple hue, which naturally allows the spore to deflect ultraviolet light. And as if all this wasn't unique enough, the outer shell of the spore is the hardest organic compound to exist in nature.

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So this is one of the weirder theories. So was this Terrence McKenna's theory? Are mushrooms from outer space?

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The late ethnobotanist Terence McKenna suggests that mushrooms are responsible for human intelligence. Yeah, yeah, theory. It's called the stoned ape theory. Yeah, I heard about that. His theory hypothesized that mushroom spores possess all the necessary requirements to travel on space currents.

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Furthermore, they could have settled in the brain matter of primitive hominoids and following the lines of modern day hallucinogenic mushrooms directly contributed to our modern day intelligence and self-awareness. Yeah. It's fucking wild. Yeah, his theory is that's why, I mean, if you can see it there, click on that back again, you can see where it was talking about his theory.

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So his theory is very, very bizarre.

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Yeah. He said, while it may seem like material from space, from a science fiction novel rather, there is no avoiding the fact that mushrooms possess many traits that are unique to their kingdom alone. Fungi build cell walls of, I don't know how to say that word, chitin? Chitin? Chitin? The same material that makes up the hard outer shell of insects and other arthropods.

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I'm so country, I'd have said chitin. Chitin, could be chitin. Chitin, like chitlins. These cell walls contain similar chemicals found in butterfly and beetle wings, as well as the plumage of some colorful birds, such as peacocks, living spores. Okay, so we've read that, but there was something about his theory, where he's explaining his theory of how it would have worked. That's it?

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Well, essentially his theory was that they experimented with mushrooms, and it made them better hunters, and it made them more creative, and it made them figure out language. And he thinks it's responsible for this weird mystery of the human brain size. It doubled over a period of two million years, and there's no real solid explanation for It's a very strange thing.

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And apparently the biggest mystery in all the fossil record when it comes to animals and evolution. Really? Yeah, how did the human brain double over two million years? Oh, dude, it had to have been psilocybin. Probably had a part of it. Or aliens. Right. Maybe aliens.

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Maybe both.

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You know? Maybe they are aliens. Maybe we're just looking the wrong way. Maybe we're fucking aliens, right? I think we probably are. I think we probably are. It doesn't seem like we belong here.

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Yeah, it's like a super hype version of Red Dead Redemption.

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If it's a simulation, it's a really good one. We're in a good timeline, brother. Oh, it couldn't be any better, man. We're in a really good episode. We got a fucking good group of writers.

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It's like if you're on the show and you got writers like this, like, fuck, these writers are amazing. This fucking show is always entertaining. Every day there's some drama. Yeah. Oh, especially right now. We're in the middle of the drama season. Oh, my goodness. There's so much. There's so much. You could get overwhelmed just looking at the fucking news every day.

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It's a great time for me to be in the middle of a tour. Yes.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah, that's a good hammer and nail, the two of those guys together, too. He did that at the club here, too.

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Right.

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Yeah, when David and Tony go after each other, there's like hours on the internet of just David and Tony shitting on each other. There's a hundred thousand ways David can call Tony gay. Yeah, and he's called David a hundred thousand ways to be fat. It's also the way they laugh at each other doing it. Like if this is a simulation, man, we picked a really good one.

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Yeah, it's getting cooler and cooler. Elon believes it's a simulation. He's a lot smarter than me. Yeah. He thinks the odds that it's not a simulation are in the billions. Really? Yeah, in the billions, he said. Wow.

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You know what I'm saying? Like you're kind of staring at the sun. You're kind of staring at the sun. Like it used to be you had a little campfire and you're warming your hands because it's cold outside. But now you're kind of staring at the sun. And maybe just be Jelly Roll. That's what I... Yeah.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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You know what I mean? You exploded. Yeah. But you handle it beautifully. You really do. Because you feel like genuine gratitude. Genuine gratitude comes off of you. Yeah, thank you.

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Right, right, right. You know what I mean?

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I know you can't, but it is.

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That's amazing. Congratulations. That's really huge.

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My mama likes Ron White. You know what I mean? He was the first guy out here. He was the first guy that came. He moved here before the pandemic. That's crazy. Because he was always with us at the store. And then one day I called him up. I'm like, where the fuck you been, man? He goes, I moved to Austin. Back to Texas. He just loved it. He's like, there's no traffic. Everyone's nice.

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That's amazing.

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Yeah. Elon's right.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Crazy. You know what I'm saying? What's in this one? This is coffee. That's water. Okay. Yeah, it's a wild experience, man. And if it's not real, boy, we picked a really good simulation. It's been great, though, man. It's great to hear that you're on this positive track because it's all now just about momentum. It's just about staying on the course.

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That's what's hard for people is getting the good momentum.

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And I started thinking about it then. He planted like the first seeds in like 2018. I was like, can I live in Austin? Fuck, I don't know. Because my instinct has always been to move to the mountains. I want to live somewhere where there's no people.

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You've been carrying around 500 pounds. Yeah, 500 plus. Your legs must be sturdy as fuck. And if you could lose weight now, you're going to have, like, super legs. Should I keep going?

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Because I'm going to lose that kind of weight. Do you know that story about that one dude that went on nothing but a vitamin IV drip for a year? For a year and lost 200-something pounds. I think he lost 300 pounds. Yeah, I've watched that story. Didn't he lose like 300 pounds? Something crazy like that. The dude had no food. And his fat shrunk, but his skin shrunk, too.

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I think autophagy is when your body gets rid of all bad cells. This is like something that comes with fasting. Bad cells is definitely a scientific version of it.

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That's the real bummer when people lose a lot of weight is that you got all this extra skin. Like Ethan Suplee, he had to have all that shit cut and stitched up.

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I really liked the mountains above Boulder. I lived there for a little while in 2009. But when I think about Montana sometimes, I think about just someplace more peaceful, Wyoming, somewhere just a little more peaceful, cold as fuck in the winter, but just like more real. And that was my thought when I was living in L.A. But it was like a necessity to get the fuck out of there.

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Yeah, if you just keep going, you know, it'll become normal for you to not eat candy, normal for you to eat healthy food. It'll be what you crave.

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Yeah. You get those guys like Bilal's way over 170. I don't know what he weighs, but I got to guess he's close to 200 pounds.

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And he cuts down to 170 perfectly. Yeah.

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You know what I mean?

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Well, that dude does – he's done camp in Ramadan. And, you know, you can't eat or drink anything during the daylight hours of Ramadan. So he would have to get up in the morning while it was dark out, have a morning breakfast, go to training, not eat anything. Yeah. Do it to a day, probably. And no water in your training. And then at the end of the day, then you get to eat. No, he's a machine.

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That dude is complete. That Leon Edwards fight was crazy. I get to see him tomorrow. He's a great guy, man. He's a great guy. He really is. And the fact that he's that devout a Muslim, that he prays five times a day, he doesn't fuck around. He's really by the book. He doesn't even swear.

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Yeah.

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When are you coming to fudge in Chicago? It's ridiculous. He's like this assassin, and he won't swear.

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Nice. Big deal for me. Chicago's always a great fucking town.

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Well, they have a few. They have, what do they have, Zany's in Chicago. They have another one in Rosemont.

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I don't know. I don't know. They never know. That doesn't make sense if they don't.

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They used to have a really good room at the Improv in Hollywood. They called it The Lab. And that's where Ari started This Is Not Happening, which became that Comedy Central show. You know, the storyteller show? That all started in that lab. That was Ari's little baby that he created. The old way the improv used to be set up was amazing.

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You have the big room, and then you have this tucked away small room in the back with a very small bar. But then they expanded it and made the bar bigger and made the stage by the door. They fucked the whole thing up. The whole thing's fucked now. It used to be the stage was in the back. There wasn't a lot of noise in the room. And then they turned it into a bar and fucked it up.

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When the COVID stuff was going on, I'm like, they're not going to let this go. They're going to keep us in control. Once they have control of you like they had during the pandemic, wear a mask, got to get a vaccine, can't go here, can't go there, no businesses, everything shut down, all the restaurants go under, all the comedy clubs go under.

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But at that time, that was what it was called. It was called The Lab.

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This is not happening?

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Yeah. You know what happened with that? You know how it all went down? Ari got an offer from Netflix to do a special. You know, he actually filmed his special and Comedy Central wanted it because he was on Comedy Central. But Netflix was better for him and they were pissed that he was going to do the special on Netflix. So they fired him.

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and he stuck to his guns, and then Roy Wood took over, and he did it for a while, and that was the end of it. But that's why. It was because Ari wouldn't listen to that. They were trying to force him into doing a special on Comedy Central.

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Yeah, and he's like, no. I don't have a contract that I have to do it on Comedy Central. This is crazy. And they tried to use the show. They did use the show. They fired him. How fucking petty is that? They fired him. And not to say Roy Woods didn't do great with the show. Roy Woods is great. I mean, Ari was happy that Roy Woods took over. Because, first of all, Roy's hilarious. Great comic.

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But also, that meant all the people that were working on the show got to work. Ari was going to take out a loan, and he was going to pay all the people, all the camera people, all the crew. He was going to pay everybody their salary.

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He felt bad. And it was like, this is not what I want. This is not my fault. But they're forcing me into it. And by principle, I can't just give in and say, okay, I'm going to do this at Comedy Central.

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Well, Ari should do the show on Netflix. It's his show. I would— He called it—now he calls it Ari Shaffir's Renamed Storyteller Show. I think that's what he calls it. He still does it, but he should— It's on Netflix now? No, no, no. I said he should do it on Netflix. But he'll still do live ones every now and then. He does live storyteller shows.

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Yeah. Everybody's got good stories, too.

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When they were doing that, I was like, they're not going to let this go. I got to get the fuck out of here. And when we came to Texas... It was. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Call of Duty. You know, when a new Call of Duty drops, everyone's trying to find a way to squeeze in those extra hours of gameplay. I get it. Life is busy, but sometimes you just need it.

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You know what I mean?

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One that you could concoct. Yeah, one that you could figure out. Put together the right way.

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Yeah, I think that's probably, really is probably the oldest form of human entertainment.

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Do you hear it in a different voice?

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That's the mother of all I Hate My Wife songs. Oh, yeah. Insane. That's a crazy song. The fact that that dude was 21 when he sang that, you're like, what? It sounds like he's 58. I believe in reincarnation. I'm telling you, man. There's no other way. It doesn't make sense.

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Excuse me.

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I have not experienced any of that, but I swear to God, it resonates with you when you watch it on Yellowstone. Yeah, right?

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I want to hang out with the horses. It seems like a good time.

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Yeah, I'll watch it for bursts, but then my knowledge of orthopedic surgeries that these people are going to be receiving and injuries and concussions, they're just like, I got to stop watching this.

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Is it Mooney or Mooney? You got me thinking now.

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But that dude, he owns the cow that retired him.

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Like, oh, just when you look at... Animal. Those dudes riding bulls with no helmet on is the craziest fucking American thing that anyone's ever done. No. That is so dumb and so amazing at the same time.

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Like somebody overcooked it. And at the end, those guys are always broken. Everything's broken. We had a dude on Fear Factor that was a bull rider and one of his arms, his shoulder had like just giant scars all over the place. He had like five or six shoulder reconstructions. It pops out sometimes. He has to pop it back in. That is sick. It's crazy.

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All from riding a giant 2,000-pound animal that doesn't want you riding it.

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Bro, you know who's got the best rodeo song for my money? Zac Brown. Open the Gate. Oh, it's the...

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Oh, my God. Meanwhile, I'm listening to him going, get off that bull. Don't go ride that bull. Don't do it. Your dad's dead. Don't ride the same goddamn bull that killed your dad. Jesus Christ.

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Wow. How many people are like that out there? When you think about yourself becoming like artist of the year at thirty nine. How many people are like that out there, that are just super talented, that just never get that crack? It's, man. There's a thing that's inside some people. There's a thing that's inside some people. And it's different in everybody.

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Like, you're different is different than Colter Wall is different, is different than Reba is different, different than Johnny Cash is different. Everybody's got that thing.

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But there's so many people out there that we never get to see that thing.

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I wonder how much of it is the ones that just jump ship early, too, though.

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Yeah. A lot of people quit.

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You actually are performing there. That's how I felt. I think you're correct. Yeah, I felt that way.

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Definitely. Rock on the range.

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It's weird doing shows when it's bright out.

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I know.

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Well, the thing is, if you could figure it out, right? People figure out everything. They figure out how to write books. They figure out how to play baseball. People figure it out, but not everybody figures it out. That's why it's so exciting when you do.

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That's why it's so exciting when you make it because you know it's not just that a bunch of lucky things had to happen to you because they all do with all of us. There's a lot of good circumstances to happen your way just to keep you alive, right? You have to get lucky. But then you also have to have that thing. What is that thing inside you that you've got to get out?

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And you can figure out a way to get the best version of it and display it for people, or you quit. A lot of people quit.

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But,

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It's also a connection to some strange realm where ideas come from. Ooh. Ideas that come to you, they just come to you out of nowhere. They just feel like gifts. They really do.

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Like when you're sitting in front of the computer and an idea just comes to you and you start writing it down, or when you wake up in the middle of the night to take a leak and you can't get this idea out of your head and you've got to grab a notebook. Man, those things are gifts. They're gifts from the universe. Ooh.

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You've had that happen too where you find yourself at the kitchen table at 3 a.m.? The worst one is I try to convince myself that I'll remember it. And you'll go back to sleep and you'll blow it. Yeah, because I'm lazy. I'm like, you're going to remember. Don't worry about it. You'll definitely remember that. You don't remember it? No, no, no. I remember like one of them ever.

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But I write them down now.

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Did you ever tell him that before you did that?

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Wow.

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It's crazy where those things come from, the muse. And you've got to respect the muse. And I think when you're writing a lot like you are, that muse is ready to go. You're tuned into whatever that is that gives you those ideas for songs. You're just searching for it. You're in the mode of searching for it.

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Imagine if you didn't walk into that place.

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Yeah. Just old church basement. How much time have you lost on your phone where you could have been walking into a place, talking to people?

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Yeah. You know what I mean?

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Especially as an artist that deals in, you know, to say it again, stories and just, you know, you find things out about people when you see them interact with each other. And sometimes it just lights a spark. Yeah.

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If you really think about like old school rock and roll, like classic rock, there's great songs, but then there's these story songs, you know? Like Shooting Star, that Bad Company song. Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatles song. That's one of those songs that everybody listens to the words. You just get caught up in the story. There's a difference between that and just fun songs.

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Just fun songs, back and black. Fun. It's not like a story, like an emotional story that gets you. There's some of those songs, you know? American Pie. American Pie. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

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Yeah.

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There he goes. Give me it from the beginning, Jamie. This motherfucker. So

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When he went bald, he said, fuck it.

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He could not.

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Just whack. At every corner, dude. Oh, my God. And listen. Voice like an angel. All sensitive.

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Carly Simon. Carly Simon was so beautiful. God, when she was young, she was one of the most beautiful women that's ever lived.

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Just authentic, you know what I mean? There's no bullshit in this song. The third verse when he goes, yeah, you got to let this rip, man.

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From their size to their personality to their health, every dog is unique. Plus, precise portions can help keep your dog at an ideal weight, which is one of the proven predictors of a long life. Look, no one, dog or human, should be eating highly processed foods for every meal. It doesn't matter how old your dog is. It's always a great time to start investing in their health and happiness first.

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It's crazy. What a team, him and Carly Simon. Think about that. What was... Bro, You're So Vain. Oh, my goodness. Pull that shit up. Give me a You're So... And seeing her sing it with that bass. Oh, my God. God. Oh, my God. What a great song.

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While she's playing the piano, son. With her hair blowing. So 80s! In the wind. Yes.

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But hold on, hold on. Because if the song was about him, he's right. Yeah, right? For sure. You know, Warren Beatty was listening to that song going, I think this song is about me.

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James Taylor? You know what, man? It wouldn't shock you, right, if you found out that the guy was like the sweetheart, super nice guy was actually a fucking psycho. Dude.

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I know it.

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Ever since the singer released her accusatory track in 1972, The Identity of You has remained one of the greatest mysteries in music history. But she did date Warren Beatty, right? It came out in 72?

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Warren Beatty. Michael Crichton. Michael Crichton. Jack Nicholson. Cat Stevens.

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Or John Travolta. Even rumored flings with Sean Connery. Marvin Gaye. Marvin Gaye. Mick Jagger. Possibility of Mick Jagger. I bet Marvin Gaye did something different with that. That lady got around. She got around with all the talented motherfuckers. She got around.

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So that was 1970? Yeah. Oh, no, so it was a few years before. Okay. So they wrote it about Southern Man? Is that what they wrote it about?

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What a banger of a song. What a banger. What a banger. You're talking about.

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Give me some of that. Yeah, please. God damn, that's a good song. I mean, all respect to Neil Young. That's better than anything he's ever done in his life.

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You know, Young's name checked and dissed. Yeah, I don't think they thought about it that way back then. It reached number eight in the Billboard Hot 100. Give me some Sweet Home Alabama. That's a song that you hear in the bar in the first couple of chords play, and you go, oh, yeah. You just immediately stand up.

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Oh, baby.

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Once again, look at these bad motherfuckers.

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And they're from Florida.

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It's the best solo ever. Ever. It's hard to say because of Hendrix and Steve Ray Vaughn and a bunch of other people, Eddie Van Halen. But that solo was the same every time they did it.

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You know what I'm saying? I'm a giant Skinner fan. And you know what I love about Skinner, too? They came out of Florida. Who would have saw that? No, dude, Jacksonville. Who would have saw that? Straight out of Jacksonville, Florida. What? Jacksonville's not going to make any amazing bands? Dude. How does this band come out of Jacksonville? Period. And every song is about running away from girls.

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I got to go, ladies. Yeah. I got to be free. It's all the time. Give me two steps. I love you, but I got to go.

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You know what I'm saying? I got to go.

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It was like it was a goof. It was weird. It was like a completely different universe. We could go to my kids were young, man. They were 10 and 12. And like they wanted to go to restaurants like we can go to a restaurant here and sit indoors like for everyone was terrified in L.A. And they just weren't here. And the same results like the same the same thing happened to everybody.

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Oh, wow. You know what I mean?

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He was standing up when the plane crashed, right? He went and sat down. He was drinking. Yeah, they were just partying. They were just Leonard Skinner-ing, dude.

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If he sat down and put his seatbelt on, he might still be here.

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They were awesome, man. They were gone too quick. And I know they toured after Ronnie died, but it wasn't the same. Yeah.

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But over here, it was a way more peaceful experience. And Ron, when we were out here, we started doing shows at the Vulcan. And one night, the first time Ron had been on stage in like eight months, he just grabbed me by my shoulders. He's like, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going to keep doing this. He's like, you got to open up a club. And I'm like, all right, that's it.

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Right. You know what I mean? So it's like an ACDC type thing.

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Ronnie was a fucking psycho, though.

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Yeah, and then Nuts, too, because when we were kids, we never thought that rock stars would be touring in their 70s.

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That's amazing.

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I'm saying it's like... I don't know, man. It's weird when you meet people that were real famous when you were a kid. That, to me, is always going to be the weirdest one. It's the one. Steven Tyler, meeting that dude, meeting people like that. It's just like you just feel weirded out. I met Tarantino. I was like, oh, dude. This is weird.

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You might be a redneck.

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If your family tree does not fork.

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Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Let's go. Let's go. Jelly Roll. I'm back with my bubba. My man, I haven't seen you since Madison Square Garden. That was crazy.

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what our household was doing you know what i mean so when i met him it was kind of like man i gotta tell my mama well when he first started hanging out the store about like i guess it was about 10 years ago um he never had like a club like that before where it was like a home base you know he was always a successful touring comedian so he'd bring guys to open up for him on the road but it was basically the ron white show

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Then he started hanging out with us at the store. He was like, man, this is what I've been missing. I've been missing a real camaraderie, like the base, the home base where everybody goes and just hangs out. It makes all the difference in the world. It is. No. Well, iron sharpens iron, too. Yeah.

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When you're in Nashville, too, I mean, think about how many different amazing artists there are that you go see live in Nashville just fucking around on a regular night. For sure.

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That's amazing.

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We're opening up a club. And the process began.

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It's the same thing like you doing all those shows. It's the same thing like them, right?

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For sure.

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All because of Ron. Ron led me to think about moving here. Ron was already out here. So I knew that if I did move to Austin, at least Ron's here. Yeah. You know, and then Tony moved here and then Brian Simpson moved here. And then the fucking just the train kept rolling all night long. It was nuts.

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The hardest spot is opening on a comedy show. It's brutal. I tell every comedian that opens for me, this is like running what waits on. Talking about like the one of three, not the feature slot, the number one. First guy. First guy on stage. That's the hardest gig. And it's the gig for the guys that are the youngest, that are the learners. They're learning it.

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They don't really know how to do it yet.

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Yeah, that's why Hans Kim was like our best opener because Hans Kim has structure. All his jokes have structure. So he puts you in this mode of laughing at ridiculous shit, and he puts you in this like it's like a very structured set. So he gets people into like the hypnosis of comedy. He gets locked into laughing. and then boom, next comedian goes up and the bar's already set.

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You're already loose and everybody's running. But that first spot, man, you gotta like... Yeah, same with us.

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Right, exactly.

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Yeah.

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You know, I see fighters that come out and they compete in the UFC and like their first fight, they look fantastic and they're fast tracked. And sometimes guys get broken because they they meet top flight competition before they're really ready. They're really like an up and coming fighter honing their skills.

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And they run into a wily veteran who's like a top 15 guy and they get fucked up and they're kind of never the same.

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Because they really shouldn't have been fighting that guy. Whereas boxing is a lot more clever. If they have a guy who's like a Terrence Crawford or someone who's a really good fighter, they'll match him up correctly until they can make the big money and until their skills are at a very, very high level. And then they start challenging for a world title. But they prepare him. They get him.

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They put him. The thing about the UFC is sometimes you just get thrown right to the wolves. And if you're Jon Jones, that's fine. Jon Jones wins the title at 22. But most guys are not Jon Jones. Most guys could be an elite fighter, but the circumstances just derail them before they ever get there.

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Yeah, they burned them too early.

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It was improv, too. I did the improv in the Ice House. There was a few clubs we did, like on a regular. You know, because the more places to work out, the better. You know, and when we were... There were so many of us, too. You know, we'd have shows. It's like Bill Burr's on, me, Tom Segura, Bert Kreischer. They're crazy shows. Crazy shows. Because everybody was in L.A.

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Chase Hooper.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Chase still has a shot. He's still super talented. He just had to really get better at striking.

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Yeah, but he got a lot better. He got a lot better at everything. He's really good on the ground. Yeah. No, the kid's great. He also went up to 55, which I think was big because he was killing himself. Yeah.

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Well, you definitely see some of these guys that are coming in that are 22 that are still growing. They're still getting bigger. Like Raul Rosas Jr., he's 19 years old, and that kid's still growing. Every time you see him, he looks more muscular, more jacked. He's still in his prime. I mean, not even close to his prime. He's still growing up.

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Yeah.

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That's the craziest job. Yeah. Being a pro football player is the craziest job because you're literally in a car wreck every day.

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100%.

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It was a beautiful thing up until they shut everything down. It's that beautiful here now, though, Bob. That's what's crazy.

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And they're all 300 plus pounds of solid muscle. Huge.

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And that's the American sport. It's a totally, I mean, in full speed. Isn't it kind of crazy that that is the American sport? I mean, what other countries even play it other than Canada? Who else plays football? Like American-style football? They don't even play it overseas.

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It's bizarre that we didn't call it a different thing. They were calling it football and it was soccer. And we just said, no, we're going to change the name of that. We're going to call it soccer. And this is football now.

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Yeah, exactly. Fuck you. We go with degrees. Fahrenheit, bitch. Yeah, fuck you. We're going to create one. Fuck your metric system. Metric system is so much more efficient.

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And the best thing is, too, there's an added element that we bring new people in every weekend. So every weekend there's these big national headliners. So they come in on Tuesday, Wednesday, and we're fucking around all week. We're just having a great time hanging out.

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Love him, man. Big, big. Have you seen Theo thinking of Nashville? Speaking of Nashville guys, you've seen Theo do his impression to you? Oh, yeah. It's the fucking best. It's my favorite thing ever. We'll let every acceptance be. See if you can find it, Joey. I want to thank the concrete layers.

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Well, if someone's listening to this right now, some comic's probably going to write a bit and put you in there. Don't be mean. No, just be funny. Just for fun. Yeah. Maybe it's Theo. Yeah, right? Maybe Theo will do that in a special.

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Really? Yeah.

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That's beautiful.

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Are you friends with Gary Clark?

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Gary Clark's a wizard. He's a wizard.

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And then you have Kill Tony, that's the anchor. Every Monday. Kill Tony is the anchor of comedy in the known universe. Really, that's a grandiose statement, I know. But what Kill Tony shows you is like every comic wants a reaction.

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100%.

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Well, the idea behind it, you could definitely apply to music.

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People know it's a laboratory, too. And that's another exciting thing about it. Like, when you go to the Mothership, you go to that Bottom of the Barrel show. That's a full laboratory show. My favorite show I've seen there. Nobody knows what the fuck it's going to be about. You're just reaching into a barrel and pulling out suggestions.

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And some comics, unfortunately, if you're in specific areas, like very liberal areas, like Silver Lake has a problem with this, like those kind of places where everyone's like super woke and they want to let everyone else know that they're super woke. It's like a kind of thing you have to do. So you get ideologically captured. and you make material that's bullshit, you get clapped-er.

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Yeah, well, it's his show. But the reason why it's so good is because it's like a premise factory. You just get ignited by this thought that you didn't think of before that. In that moment, someone says something about fire trucks, and then you're like, you know about fire trucks? And then all of a sudden, there's a bit. Right.

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Like all of a sudden, because of necessity, because you're forced into the situation where you're trying to like, it's literally like you're calling on the muse on the stage. And a lot of times it's nothing like seven out of 10 times. You ain't got shit for that bit. But every now and then you catch fire and that becomes like a bit.

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Have you ever had one birth into a bit? A bunch of them. I'll tell you which one's off stage or off camera, but a bunch of them. That's awesome. Yeah, a bunch of them. Because it's just like that little room, too, is like so, like you can't bullshit anybody in that little room. It feels like we're all sitting Indian style together. Yeah, there's only 100 people in there.

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110, I think, is when it's fully packed. Dave was the first person to go on stage there. Really? Yeah. Well, actually, Shane first. Shane opened for Gillis. Gillis opened for Chappelle. We didn't even tell the audience who was going on stage. We just said it's a special, intimate show. Show sold out like that. Nobody knew who it was.

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And he just fully writes on stage. Like he had just done a special. He fully writes on stage. Like he has ideas and he just like lets them breathe. Just fucks around on stage. Gets a little tipsy. Just fucks around on stage.

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Yeah.

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And that's when you'll find probably the shit that closes it out. Sometimes it's like taglines just come to you in the moment. And you're like, wow, I never even thought of that one before. Do you get straight off stage and write them down? No, I record all my sets. Oh, wow. So then after I'm done, I'll listen to the recording and I'll write. I sit down in front of the laptop.

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Actually sit down and put them out.

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It helps me to expand on them because it takes longer to type a thought than it does to think it. So if I'm thinking a coffee cup, I'm thinking of it instantly, but it takes a couple of seconds for me to write it, and that gives me chances to explore left, right, down, up, all these different ways you can go with an idea. And then I'll usually try to write it out like an essay form.

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So if I have an idea and it's funny and it does really well and bottom of the barrel or a riff out of nowhere, Then I take that idea and I just write out like an essay. I'm not even trying to be funny. I just try to think about all the different angles of this idea. And then I'll extract like little pieces of it and try these little pieces on stage. Wow.

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What Kill Tony makes you do is you have one fucking minute. You have one minute and there's obviously no rules. By the time you get on stage, you've seen Cam go crazy, you've seen Hans Kim say some ridiculous shit, maybe you've seen William Montgomery or Brian Holtz, but you've seen maniacs on stage killing. And so you got one minute, just crack. It's time to crack. So it sets a tone for comedy.

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And then sometimes in the middle of it, you're like, this sounds wrong. This sounds disingenuous. I'll take a totally different approach. Sometimes I'll contradict myself. Like in the middle of it, I'll go, but what the fuck do I... Why would I think that I know the answer to the... And then that becomes the bit. Right. Then it turns into the turn. Yeah. You never know, man.

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And the whole thing is just numbers. You just got to put a lot of numbers in. A lot of numbers in front of the computer. Numbers on stage. It's just... It's like this constant process of building a mountain one layer of paint at a time.

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Well, she probably sees what you do. And that's the beautiful thing about having an example, whether it's your peers or for her, your dad. You get to see an example of how someone does a process. Because if you don't around anybody that's trying to get good at something, you don't really know how to do it. Right. That's one of the cool things about a conversation like this.

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Because there's people out there that are listening that don't have anybody around them that's doing cool shit.

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And they think it's impossible. And they hear about this dude that was in jail for half his fucking life. And, you know, this other dude who was a cage fighting comedian, cage fighting commentator and stand up comedian. Like these fucking guys are not they're not normal either.

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Like maybe I'm not normal. Maybe like this. Maybe there is something out there for me.

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But I don't hear it from anybody in my neighborhood. I don't hear it from my parents. I don't hear it from my teachers. I don't hear it from my boss.

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And I'm fucking lost, you know? And then they hear people talk about, like, the love of writing songs that you have, the passion you have for creating a thing, how you piece it, how you jump up and write down the premise. You write down an idea for a lyric. And then in their head, they're like, I can do that with something. Yeah. I can do that with something. I just have to find a thing.

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Just find a thing, man.

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The comedy is just entertaining. No matter how you put it out, no matter what it is, what your style is, what you'd like to talk about, whether you're Nate Bargatze or whether you're Shane Gillis. There's just a different way to do it. Everybody's got their own way to do it. But it's just go try to find your way. Don't try any tricks.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah, if you keep going. That's the thing we were talking about before about people bailing out. Yeah, that's it. It gets hard. You just got to sit, man. You just got to sit, man. You just got to sit. You also got to recognize when you're making the right moves or the wrong moves. with what you're doing. And sometimes people don't want a course correct. They don't want a course correct.

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And then it could be a bad relationship. That one's tanked more guys than anything. Yeah, I've seen it. And gals. I've seen it. The bad relationship one, that'll tank you. No, that'll do it. Everything in your life is that thing. And then you have very little resources for your art. Yeah. Because your life is just a storm. Just a storm of confusion and chaos and fucking emotions every day. Yeah.

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Isn't it crazy that everybody wants to be special, but every special person wants to be an everyman? Yeah. I like being in every man. That's what I like being. Me too. Yeah. But when you're a kid, you want to be different. You want to pretend that you're different than other people because that'll make success more attainable. Exactly.

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You want to pretend that you have some special quality and ability that other people don't possess. So that's why you can get to this bizarre position that everybody wants, where everybody in our business wants to be successful and famous. So you have to be bizarre. And then once you get there, you're like, oh, shit, everybody's just the same. Everybody's the same.

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I got to make sure that I keep that. Make sure that I keep we're all the same.

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Don't try to sneak in some fucking ideological bullshit just because you think people are going to agree with you and like you more and clap and cheat and you're going to say something profound. Shut up. You got one minute. So that sets a tone for all the people- coming up.

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I never thought of it that way. It's one of the most important things that's ever happened to comedy.

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Isn't that crazy what you're saying, too, about taking yourself out of it?

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It snapped that fast. It's almost like a trap. It's the You're So Vain song. It's like a trap. That trap of thinking about yourself. You waste so much of your resources. So much of your resources, like thinking about how you want to come off, how you want people to react to it, how you want to, like, get out there and kill it in front of everybody, and you miss all the beautiful magic.

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All the magic. It's right there. Yeah. You know, and you're just missing, you just get lost in the art. And when you're at your best, you are them. You are one of them. You're, like, singing for them.

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I think that's one of the things that people really dislike about stars, like famous people, like people that you think of as stars, that they somehow or another think they're better than everybody else. That's the thing that people dislike the most. Like, oh, they think they're better than us. They live in Beverly Hills. They think they're better than us because they're a star.

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You ain't better than us. When someone can do what you do and stay the same person and stay them, just a better version of who you used to be, but stay normal. Yeah.

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You know what I mean?

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And I'm like, oh, dude, it's because I'm fucking winning at home. It's also what you're saying, too, about your resources. You have so much more to give. And everything's positive. A happy home life feeds off your happy business life and your happy performing life. That's what we all want. We all want a beautiful community of people that are enjoying life and experiencing life together.

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Your family and your friends and the people you fuck around with. You just want a beautiful community of people having a good time. And that's possible. But it's hard. And that's why it's so wonderful when you get it. Because you know that there's a lot of people out there that are never going to get it.

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A lot of work. It's a lot of work on yourself.

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Just think about the arc that you've gone through from being a kid, getting arrested as a kid, spending all that time in juvenile and jail, and then getting free, and then figuring out that you're talented, and then pursuing this crazy, impossible dream, you know, to where you are now. It's nuts. Sitting on the biggest podcast in the world, my bubble. It's an amazing story.

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I mean, it's an amazing, if it was in a movie, you'd have a hard time believing it. That movie's nuts. Yeah, for sure.

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I love you very much.

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Jamie, we got a deal. Oh, that's right.

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He definitely knew I heard him talking. Do you have any video of you playing guitar that we could sweat right now?

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Oh, my God.

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Jamie, June 21st, 2025, Ohio Stadium, Columbus, Ohio. Let's fucking go.

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I love that Megan Maroney chick, too.

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Yeah, my daughter turned me on to her.

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That's amazing. Really cool.

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I love you, too, brother.

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Available now. Go get it. Bye, everybody. Bye.

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I was like, Kill Tony's going to fuck in arenas. It's the best show for that kind of an audience. We watch it every Monday on the bus.

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The other thing about Kill Tony was in the beginning, Tony wasn't famous, no one was famous, and they were just going hard. And then as everyone got famous, they kept going hard. Whereas it's very hard to just jump in and do something that wild now. And there was nothing like it during COVID. There was nothing like it. You had this live show every week in front of a live audience.

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And everybody else is locked down. You have to wear your fucking mask while you're walking your dog. What is going on? No, you're having to bring it. It was also just like this... Rejection of norm. Rejection of whatever people think the comedy industry is. Because people think the comedy industry is some group of people with power that control and give people specials that don't deserve it.

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I had to be there. I had to be there. I was there in the beginning. I was there when there was like 18 comedians in the crowd. Is that not crazy? It was crazy. They were doing it in the belly room of the comedy store. It was just like an afterthought. They couldn't do any of the other rooms because they didn't have an audience.

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There's all this weird... weird thoughts about the comedy business. But when the comedy business is only comedians, it's a completely different experience. And that's what Kill Tony is. There's no business element behind it. There's no networks. There's no producers. There's no executive worrying about their fucking mortgage. You can't say that, Tony. There's none of that. So it's just wild.

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No, it's complete chaos all the time.

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That's the truth. It fucking rules.

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So there's a business that relies on people being so disgusting that they get type 2 diabetes. So bad with their diet, just eating pie and drinking soda until their body just starts to cave in.

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Whole food and a lot of healthy lifestyle.

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Right.

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And she's not locked up in a home with a bunch of people don't really care about her.

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But that's worth how much a year?

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Yeah, it's very, very good. I really wish I lived in nature. Yeah. I'd really like to be living in the woods again.

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I think that's the move. Yeah, I think nature is a vitamin. I really do. I think it's a mental health vitamin. I think there's something about being in nature. There's a feeling you get, especially when your phone doesn't work, when you get out there and you look at your phone like zero bars.

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And you're out there in real woods. It's just like... you just feel better. You just feel like more tuned in. You hear birds and branches snapping and things going on, coyotes. And it's like, God damn, it feels good.

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Most of the time I do 45.

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Good to see you, my friend. Wow, that was fast. Good to see you, too, brother. That's how I do it. We just get right into it. You got notes, dude. You're organized. You're a rare guest.

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Isn't that funny? A lot of people could live on what's killing other people. Yeah. Isn't that funny? Like a lot of people are buying yachts on what is killing people.

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These are just short bursts. This is not like long distance. I just do it to tax my system.

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I do that, too. Yeah, farmer's carries. I actually like those. Well, that's what I mean by that. I think farmer's carries, like suitcase carries, are actually better. What, closer to? One hand. Oh, one hand. Yeah, because then it makes you balance on the other side, and then you swap it out to the other side. Oh, okay. It's a stabilization thing.

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But farmer's carries are amazing, too. There's nothing wrong with it.

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Because I have a gun. Yeah, you don't want to get eaten by a mountain lion. It does happen. It probably won't happen. But guess what? If I have a gun, it's not going to happen. Yeah, it's never going to happen if I have a gun. There's a fucking great video of a bow hunter who is being attacked by a mountain lion. And the mountain lion is creeping up on him slowly.

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He's like, hey, get back, get back, get back. And you see the thing lock on him and start closing in. It's like 15 feet away. And then bang. And then you see the thing twitch and it's got a hole in its face. He was a bow hunter. Yeah, but he had a pistol on him. That's why he had a pistol on him. Yeah, it happens in Colorado.

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Bear attacks are fairly rare in Colorado.

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The real issue is not the bears that are in Colorado, though. The real issue is the bears in Wyoming and Montana, brown bears. Brown bears are what you have to worry about. Black bears, not as much. But occasionally, like a big black bear will go after people. Yeah.

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It's definitely pissed off. He doesn't love you. Somebody probably hunted one of his family. Take a sidearm. People do hunt squirrels. They eat them.

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Well, they need soda. It's a part of the food pyramid, I think. Isn't it in there? It's right up there with Lucky Charms, right? Yeah, Lucky Charms is right above ground beef.

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Yeah. Probably financial. Probably financial. Yeah. You know, we were talking about, you said something earlier interesting that you think it's not, what was the term that you used? It's not a mental health problem. It's a lack of mental strength. Mental fitness. Mental fitness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you think about it. You got any of those hydrogens?

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I love these.

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We went over that and we found out that they're paid by Pepsi and by Coca-Cola. Wow. It's just so dark. Yeah. It's so crazy. It is. The American Heart Association gets money from Coca-Cola and Pepsi.

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And it's like delicious. Dude, it's so good. It comes in good flavors and it's easy to drink. It's like a pain-free thing that you can do.

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It's incredible. So transdermal reduction of inflammation in joints from these hydrogen bombs. How long does it last?

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Really?

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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A lot of healthy people.

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Thank you.

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Right. Can you explain, because you were explaining the other day to us the process that it takes to turn rapeseed oil, which is what canola is. First of all, it's called canola oil, Joe, if you know what I mean. They decided that rapeseed was problematic, so they changed it to canola oil. I always thought it was corn oil. Corn's good for you. Corn oil must be great for you.

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Thank you.

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Oh, we're using canola oil. Cool. Ah, peanuts. Please explain, though, the process, because it's so vile.

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Explain what you're saying, a snake swallowing a mouse?

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It would be so fascinating to run a study, a long-term study on twins, identical twins, and have one person just eat the standard American diet and the other person follow all these protocols. Hydrogen gas, fitness, healthy food, no seed oil, no drinking, and just see. What do they look like after 20 years?

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Yeah.

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That's a very good point. It's a very good point. There's some things you really can't run randomized controlled studies on.

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right?

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Oh, God.

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One of them can be beneficial?

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Oh, that one. That one. The motherfucker gene.

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Give me a freshie.

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I just see all this shit over here. Oh, this is a fresh one. So this one hasn't been opened yet. What is that? This is, do you know who Juju Mufu is?

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crazy juju mufu yeah super well he's an influencer but he's like very impressive athlete like super jacked dude if you gotta name like juju mufu you gotta be able to beat ass incredibly flexible this is the guy oh yeah he's a freak like a real freak yeah I mean, for sure he's not natural. There's not a fucking chance in hell. But I don't care. But he makes this stuff.

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We have no affiliation with him. We buy it. We're not sponsored.

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I saw Theo Vaughn almost like... Brian Simpson took his headphones off and ran out of the room.

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Just the bag. Oh, and it's sealed. Give me the bag. I'll do the bag. Just take a sniff of the bag. This is so wrong. It is wrong. I feel so dirty. Oh, my God. Dude. That's nothing. That's nothing. That's just the bag that the smelling salts have been sitting in. Oh. So what powerlifters do is they take a sniff of this shit right before they lift weights. You ready? Here we go. No. Zero chance.

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Oh, lordy. Dude, there is zero chance I'm doing that. Get on in, bro. Come on. Pee of pressure. Get about six inches from the nose. Take a haul. It's good for you. I can't guarantee it's good for you. No, no, no, that was nothing.

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Come on, you're a biohacker. You're a real man. Get in there. Take a sniff. Yeah, if I'm a real man, I don't do this shit. Get in there, bro. Get in there. One, two, three, go. Sniff. Ah, that's what I'm talking about. Oh, God. That's what I'm talking about. Let's go. And that was a freshie. The fresh ones are the really hard ones. We have these in the green room at the comedy club.

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People get addicted. They're all taking sniffs before they go on stage. I think I lost sight of my left eye. Yeah, it'll come back better. Come back stronger. I have no data to support that, by the way. I have no data.

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You're going to want another one in about five minutes. Give me round two.

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We were actually something important. I did want to ask you about cholesterol before I forget. Where did the narrative come from that there's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol and that HDL is good, LDL is bad, you want to lower your LDL and you want to take a statin? Where did all this come from?

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They used to use them for boxers when they got knocked out. When they got rocked and they'd get into the corner, they'd give them smelling salts and they'd wake right up. Wow.

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I got my blood drawn a couple years ago, and the doctor asked me if I was on cholesterol medication. He said, your cholesterol is really low. He goes, are you on medication? I said, no. But I eat mostly meat.

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Love that guy.

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And it was in your home?

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Interesting. So back to the narrative of HDL and LDL, how did it get formed that LDL is the bad cholesterol?

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Dude.

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Oh, boy.

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Lines outside the bathroom. Lines outside the bathroom. Squeezing your butthole shut, trying to get in there in time.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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That is a great way of putting it, too. It's micropoisoning.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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So that's really what's happening.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Wow. It was insane, man. My friend Cam Haynes, when he was preparing for one of those ultra runs, when you run for three days, like 240 miles, he was running a marathon a day while he was working an eight-hour job.

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A marathon a day, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Goggins had a record. He broke Goggins' record. And then some cat in Australia. He's young. He's like 25. Wow. He's an animal, too. That's him. And he runs with jeans on, by the way. Why? Just for a fucking goof. He runs with Origin jeans. Have you ever used those stretchy jeans that Origin makes? I think I have. They're fucking great. They're basically sweatpants.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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I don't know if I'd run a marathon in them. They're basically sweatpants. They give you no resistance. You can kick somebody in the head with them easy.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Well, he's been living with a fucking animal his whole life. So he came in seventh place in the Austin Marathon, and he is not built like a marathon guy. He's jacked.

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I mean, obviously, he won the World Pull-Up Championship or World Pull-Up Record. He is where I got one of the ideas to carry a lot of weight for, like, when I do 150 pounds. Oh, is that what he does? So he did this thing where I think... It's a mile. See if you can find it. So he's carrying a sandbag, and I believe he has a weight vest on as well.

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And I think the overall weight is over 200 pounds, and he goes over a mile with over 200 pounds. Oh, just- And he timed it. See if you can find that. Just walking like on a track. I'm going short distances when I'm carrying heavy weight, but what I'm trying to do is- You know, Peter Attia talked about this too, like the importance of the ability to carry weight and walk with it.

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And then there's this guy, Tom.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Yes. And then there's this guy in Australia who's like an incredible freak. His name is Tom Haviland, and he's an enormous guy. He's like 6'7", close to 300 pounds, close to 400, right? Isn't he like closing in on 400 pounds? And he's muscling? Yeah. And one of the things that he does is a part of his, he does like very unusual workout routines. Let's see if you can find some videos on it.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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That's what he looks like. I mean, just a fucking complete freak, but he does. A white dude? Yes. Enormous guy too. I mean, he's a huge guy. But he does a lot of his workouts are not just like normal deadlifts, bench press, all that kind of shit. Some of his workouts he does carries things. Like he carries things like off one side or another side. Go to his Instagram so I can pick one.

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A lot of these are just mostly you see just his back. Why? I don't know. He's a psychopath. He has to be out of his fucking mind just to be doing this because he's literally one of the strongest guys in the world. Really? Yeah. Does he participate in strongman competitions? I don't think he does. I think he just does all this shit on his own, and I don't even understand why.

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So what does he weigh now? 302 pounds. Wow.

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And 3,200, no, excuse me, 329 grams of protein, 814 grams of carbs, 222 grams of fat. And so he was- And that's the current phase, which is a deficit. Yeah. This was him on his way to, so go back to that. Yeah, so he's at 340 pounds. I think he was trying to get to 400 pounds at one point in time. But one of the things he does a lot is carry stuff.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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And so I started looking into this idea, like, what's the big deal about carrying and walking with stuff? So he does this, like, how much weight is that motherfucker got carrying around with him? How many plates is that? I mean... 500 pounds? What is that?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Ten plates. So that's 450 pounds. Yeah. And so he's just walking short distances with this. So I started doing that in my yard. So I started doing it with farmer's carries. And, you know, when I ruck, I just use the 45-pound plate when I go a couple miles with the dog.

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Because he's a fucking psychopath. Yeah. Why does he have all clothes on, too? Because if he takes the clothes off, he's super impressive. Really? Yeah, he's fucking ripped. I mean, the guy's enormous. I forget his background. Yeah, that's him. That's what he looks like. Dude. Yeah. And again, he's like six, seven or something crazy like that. Built that way. Wow.

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But he does a lot of carrying stuff and walking stuff. Yeah. He feels like it's very important for like your overall strength. I think I would agree with that. Not just to be able to sit there and push stuff and do squats in place, but to move with things where you're balancing and counterbalancing, moving left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot. And I think there's a real benefit to that.

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Yeah, I'll do that with a 70-pound kettlebell, and I'll just walk up a hill with a 70-pound kettlebell. And I can't get very far before I have to put it down because my grip gives out. But I won't use straps because I think I really want to, like I've been doing a lot of, I carry this fucker around with me too.

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Because we have this thing in the comedy club where it's like one of those strength things where you squeeze it. It has a counter? Yeah. And I got to 161 pounds of how strong you can squeeze. It's the hardest I've ever gotten. So I want to get to 180.

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Just holding that motherfucker all the time. You got some meaty paws though, bro. Yeah, I got some big hands. Yeah, just hold that motherfucker. I feel like hand strength. Do you have to get angry? No, I do. I like to get angry. I just like to get angry if I can. But hand strength, I think, is very important. Most of my workout.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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It's very important. I do a lot of hanging, too. I do a lot of hanging from my back and my shoulders, too. I just hang from a chin-up bar. Oh, yeah. That's good. How long can you dead hang? Two minutes.

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Yeah. Weighted vests for short bursts. Yeah.

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Yeah, I do one series of all body weight workouts where I do chin-ups, push-ups, and then L, I guess you would be pull-ups. Where it's a tight grip, and by L meaning I lift my legs up and I hold them in position. Paul Saladino's got me doing that now. So I do that most of the time with no extra weight. But like two times a month, I'll do it with 25 pounds.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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So I'll put a 25-pound vest on and do my entire routine with long breaks. Like a ruck vest. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's actually from Go Ruck. It's 25-pound. It's like a, you know, just strap it in, Velcro it down. And so I'll do my series of 10 chin-ups, my series of 20 dips, and then 10 L pull-ups.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Those are tougher than they look. But I'm not holding the bar down here. I'm doing chin-ups. Oh, chin-ups, okay. So I'm doing the L like this, and then I'm doing these with my foot straight off. So it's the abs. I've had a problem with my lower back, and I think a lot of it came from, I know where it came from. It came from archery, where I was spending too much time pulling one side only.

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And then also I was getting a little bit of tendinitis, and I was just saying, fuck it, just working through it. Do you try to shoot both sides with your bow now? No, but what I do now is, because my bow's pretty heavy, it's 85 pounds to pull it back, but I'm doing it like, when I'm really training hard, like when it's getting close to September, I'm probably shooting 100 times a day.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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So I'm 100 times, I'm pulling back 85 pounds. So now what I do, and I learned this from Cam, I take a 10-pound dumbbell, and I hold it with my right – because I pull my bow with my right arm. So I put a 10-pound dumbbell with my right arm and hold it out. And then with my left arm, I have a cable, like a cable machine, and I'm pulling back the same – I'm mimicking the exact same motion of archery.

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Oh, I see. So I'm holding – and Cam taught me this.

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Right. But is it possible to change all of like whatever we use seed oil for? Is it possible to swap that out for olive oil or beef tallow? Yes. I know there's some companies doing like Masa makes these great tortilla chips. I love Masa. Organic corn, tallow. Organic corn, grass-fed beef tallow. They taste like it, too. Like, you feel like you're eating food. Yeah. You know?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Like just a hand weight. So I'm holding it like that, and then I'm using the pulley – And I'm pulling the cables back, and I'm holding it for a count of two, and then bringing it back. Holding it for a count of two, and bringing it back. So I'm balancing out my back.

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So my right arm, I'm pulling back. I'm holding the bow with my left arm to stabilize it, and I'm pulling it back with my right arm. So now... To counter that, I immediately go to the gym right after. So one of the things I'm noticing is like, boy, I get fucking so sore on my left side now because this is fairly recent. I've only been doing this for a couple months, the left side to stabilize it.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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But I think I should have been doing it the entire time because I was getting like really bad lower back pain last hunting season. And it was just because of tendons. I was just overusing because you're stabilizing, right? So you're pulling back the bow, right? and you're holding it in place, and you're stabilizing on your right side, and after your form kind of breaks down.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Because you get a little tired. Now I just, when I feel my form breaking down, I stop. I just stop shooting. So instead of shooting 100 times a day, now maybe I'll shoot 30 or 40, and I'll just stop. I won't push, because it's a meathead mentality that my stupid brain won't, abandon, even though I know it's like injuring me.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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But this is, it actually became a problem and it was hurting me when I was playing pool and I did a bunch of things to deal with it. One of the things I did is this thing called NuFit where they put, which helped a lot, where they put electrodes on your muscles and then you go through a series of core routines while you're doing that. That helped a lot.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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And then incorporating rotational exercises helped a lot. So I have like a bar, like a straight bar, and I'll put my right leg forward. So I've got the bar back on the right side, and I'm twisting forward. So I'm doing that. So a lot of rotational exercises. And I'm also twisting up. And I'm doing a bunch of different things to twist.

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And another thing I do is I sit on a pad with my legs elevated and I have a kettlebell. And I'll twist it to the side with my legs up in the air. So I'm getting all this rotational exercises into my system now that I didn't used to do before. But I really should have been doing from the beginning. I always did abs. I always did the hip glute thing where you lean all the way back.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Yeah, so I used to do a lot. Yeah, those are good. I still do a lot of those.

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And then back extensions, but I wasn't doing rotational stuff, and I think that's the difference.

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Yeah, the photo that you were asking about out front, that's Utah.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Stay at somebody's ranch out there. It's just so lovely. Everything about it is great. It's just I look forward to it so much. That's why I love the mountains.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Well, I think there's also some intangible input that you're getting from society that you're not thinking about, but that affects you, that's absent when you're in the woods and you feel refreshed because of that.

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It is. I think that we've gotten so... But I also think the absence of society is a thing. I think... I mean, this is going to sound super kooky, but I think even Wi-Fi and cell phone signals... I think they have an effect on you. I don't know how much of an effect.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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We talked about those Vandry chips, too. Yeah, Vandy. Vandy chips. I love those. I do, too. I would have actually brought you some. It's just potatoes and beef tallow with a little salt. Yeah. And it tastes like food. Yeah. Like, when I eat them, I don't feel like a piece of shit. Like, if I eat a bag of Doritos, I feel like a fucking loser. Yeah.

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That's it right there. Jamie's got a photo of it.

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I know. If I tried to bring that up, my wife would smack me.

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I have a hyperbaric chamber.

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No, in my house.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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So here's the thing.

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There's a risk of using electronics in a high-oxygen environment.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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They would tell you to not even wear certain kinds of clothes in the hyperbaric.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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So what is 100% O2 versus like what you're doing?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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So the one that I used to go to, they would give you a mask and you would wear the mask and oxygen would get pumped into your mask while you're in the hyperbaric chamber. Yeah.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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What happened?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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You know, even while I'm eating, I'm like, oh, you losers. Shut up. Shut up. These are delicious.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Oh, my God.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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And why would you have 100% O2 chamber versus what you're talking about?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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No.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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That's really good.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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But isn't it possible to just replace those? Or would it require? Is it one of those things like there's an issue with factory farming. Everybody thinks factory farming is disgusting when it comes to animals. It's vile what they do to chickens and pigs. But is it possible to give everyone cheeseburgers in food deserts without factory farming?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Okay.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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So what's the benefit of 100% O2?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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And there's also a study out of Israel that showed the lengthening of telomeres when they did a protocol of 60 sessions, 90-minute sessions over 90 days. Yes, 60 days. 60 sessions in 90 days.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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And they showed telomere lengthening, which was the biological equivalent of a decrease of age of 20 years.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Like have we gotten so far ahead of ourselves that we don't have sustainable regenerative agriculture as an option?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Gee, I wonder why they're not talking about it.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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That would be a great way to compress time. You feel more than one thing getting out at the same time.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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I feel amazing getting out of mine. That's actually my son working in it.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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So you think that all the foods, all the salad dressings and all the French fries and all the things that are cooked in food oil, we have enough beef tallow, we have enough olive oil, we have enough avocado oil that we could switch all those things out and everything would be great.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Working out in a hyperbaric chamber. And you could kind of watch Netflix in there too. Yeah. You got a screen in there and everything.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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I got a sound bar in there. That's pretty dope. Yeah, it was pretty cool. That's awesome. Yeah, I just lay down in mine and listen to books.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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I was talking to Dana about it, like how beneficial it is. It's like, how much time does it take? I'm like, it's about two hours. And he's like, I don't have that fucking. It's like everything you got to do something, you're doing the red light, you're doing the cold plunge.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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How much are those little bombs for the bath, the hydrogen bombs?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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This is a kind of important thing to talk about because there was a study that was released recently that showed that when people use the cold plunge after workout, you see a decrease in hypertrophy. Yeah, of course you do. It's a terrible study. I was so pissed off to see that. Because people are like, yeah, I told you it doesn't work. All these pussies that don't want to get in that cold water.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Folks, you do the cold before. This is the way to do it. I know it sucks. Do the cold before you work out or wait several hours after you work out and then you cold plunge.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

7729.938

Okay. Creatine is what you take for- Right, right, right. I never knew how to say that word, though. I've seen it.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

7736.629

Creatinine. Yeah. Because I know there was a fighter that was actually pulled from a fight once because he had high creatinine levels.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

7749.121

That makes sense because he was a psycho.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

779.343

So there's a lot of tallow that's going to waste.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

78.174

You think money has anything to do with it? No way.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

796.03

It's kind of crazy because there's a big market for bone broth. There's a big market for beef tallow. Why wouldn't they? I mean, they're just wasting money.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

8188.131

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. One other thing that I've been taking actually for a while, I was having a decrease in my eyesight and it was pretty noticeable as age-related macular degeneration. So I started taking macular support by pure encapsulations. That seems to have had an effect, but really what's had an effect is the red light bed. I know. The red light bed has had a big effect.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

823.996

Well, you're using it the correct way, though. You're using it the way African Americans used to use it. Black people used to call woke, like, you're awake. I'm woke. You can't sneak that stupid shit by me. I'm woke. And then the fucking white people took it over and ruined it, like a lot of things. Exactly. Did we fuck that up, too? Not us, but the ones with blue hair.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

848.98

Well, now it's essentially a pejorative. They can't even use it in a positive way. That's beaten down to the point where it's gross.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Mine too. Stop deteriorating and improved slightly.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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It's definitely where the point where I can look at my phone. I don't need glasses because I was using reading glasses all the time when I was looking at my phone. And now I don't need them at all anymore.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

8544.102

But this is an important point, too. You were talking about the other day that collagen does not build collagen, and there's this...

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

8589.526

100%.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

8590.627

It's not going to have any diminished-

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

8610.406

Can I ask you another question about creatine? Is there any decreased benefit in taking creatine gummies versus creatine powder?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

8644.858

What about HMG with creatine?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

8649.094

Is that a good thing? Because I know that a lot of companies, they combine creatine and HMG for some reason. Yes. What is the benefit of that, combining the two of them together?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

8668.76

And magnesium as well, right?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

8672.301

I always take that with D3 and K2.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

8678.983

Can you take too much magnesium?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

8840.615

That's crazy that that could be nutritionally related.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

89.687

Yeah, I know. That's a weird thing to think. I should stop thinking that way.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

8934.215

Has anybody ever done a study on people with paranoid schizophrenia to find out if they're lacking in all this?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

9164.028

Yeah, like some of them find a healthy thing to get addicted to, like running.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

9183.934

Some of the scariest guys I've ever trained with were former drug addicts. Because this is their new- They're fucking driven in a weird kind of crazy way.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Well, some of them actually almost died when they realized. They've been to death's door and come back.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

9217.465

So a lot of Alcoholics Anonymous people are smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee constantly.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

922.632

My head was so twisted. Here's your microtrauma.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

9507.151

Now, what is the best kind of minerals to take? Is it like chelated minerals? Is it colloidal minerals?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

9545.746

And you don't have to take that with the vitamins with food?

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

9578.889

And the amino acids you take on an empty stomach.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

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Yeah, I'm going to have to start shutting it all off. Yeah, you have to. It'll make your life a lot better. You know what you're doing. Yeah, thank you. And people are listening. And it's working. There's just too many people out there that are just crying for attention. And one of the ways they get attention is by attacking people who are getting positive attention.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

9636.921

Yeah. It's a shame. Fuck those people. Yeah. Fuck those people. Anything else we should talk about before we wrap this up? I think we covered a lot. People are going to have to review this and go back and forth.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

964.072

What's this culture of victimization and the monetization? It's like there's a, there's status in victimization, you know, that's the thing. They've, they've essentially made it like a virtue to be a victim. So you're looking for little things that have possibly, I believe there was a microaggression. I think, you know what? I think I felt it. Possibly rolled his eyes. I,

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2304 - Gary Brecka

9651.207

I'll see you at the fights tomorrow, too. Yes, sir. I'm excited. Yeah, tomorrow's the weigh-ins and then Saturday night's the fights. I'm pumped.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

9663.011

Thank you.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

9667.412

The pyramids. Yeah, we talked about a lot of cool shit. Yeah, a lot of cool shit on there. Well, thank you, Gary. Thank you very much for everything. I really appreciate you. Tell everybody your website, how they can get a hold of you. Sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2304 - Gary Brecka

9700.731

You're the man. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. All right. Bye everybody. Boom.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2304 - Gary Brecka

98.692

Yeah, they don't want that money.

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#2304 - Gary Brecka

987.816

I mean, that is going to haunt me. I need therapy now. I think he might have rolled his eyes. And that's absolutely acceptable. That is a microaggression, like maybe rolling your eyes. Like you say something to me and I go, okay. And then I leave. Oh, my God, that was a microaggression. Yeah, yeah. Like what I just did going, okay. But here's the cool thing. That's a microaggression.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10101.898

Right.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10178.477

I completely agree. But I think that people with their own self-interest, when they're in power and they realize that these new technologies like Instagram and Facebook, that they are interfering with their ability to administer propaganda. or that their ability to control the narrative, that's where they get short-sighted.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10199.307

And that's when they act in their own personal interest and not in the interest of neither national security or the future of the United States in terms of our ability to stay technologically ahead. Yeah.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10226.965

It was a good goal if it worked, if it was real, like if it was a sterilizing vaccine, if it really did prevent people from getting COVID, if it really did prevent people from infecting others or transmitting it. But it didn't. So it wasn't a good deal because it wasn't based on real data. Yeah.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10280.4

Well, there's a bunch of problems with that, right? There's the emergency use authorization that they needed in order to get this pushed through. And you can't have that with valid therapeutics being available. And so they suppressed valid therapeutics. So they're suppressing real information that would lead to people being healthy and successful in defeating this disease.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10302.468

And they did that so that they could have this one solution. And this was Fauci's game plan. I mean, this is the movie American Buyers Club or Dallas Buyers Club, rather. That's Fauci in that movie. That was with the AIDS crisis. This is the exact same game plan that was played out with the COVID vaccine. They pushed one solution, this only one solution.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10320.593

suppressed all therapeutics through propaganda through suppressing monoclonal antibodies like all of it and that was done in my opinion for profit and they did that because it was extremely profitable the amount of money that was made yeah was extraordinary during that time yeah and but look i mean i feel like a bunch of the conversation is focused on

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10373.183

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

1038.28

Of course.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10403.883

Yeah, I agree as well. Listen, is there anything else you want to talk about before we wrap this up? I think we're good. I don't know.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10424.611

It's wild. Your AR technology that you showed me today is very impressive. It's crazy. Lex and I were playing Pong apart from a table from each other. I was playing some crazy game where my fingers got tired because you shoot like this. Because you're using V1 of the neural interface. It's like in the future it will just be this. It was really fun though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10447.282

It's really cool, and you see where this is all going. It's really, really fascinating stuff, and I'm very excited about it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10456.847

Yes, we did that, too, and we did Translate, too, where one of your coworkers was speaking to me in Spanish, and he was translating it to me in my ear in real time in English, which is really interesting. Nice. Amazing. It's really cool, and then you could also do it on the phone, so you could show it to the person on the phone so you don't have to say the words. It's really... Fascinating stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10477.359

Yeah, so we're just sort of coming at it from both sides, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10499

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10500.085

I mean, just thicker glasses.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10549.356

No, I mean, I think we covered it and, uh, I'm very excited about this new stance that you guys are taking. I think the community notes thing is a brilliant idea that, you know, X has implemented. And I think I'm glad I'm, I am really glad that you guys are implementing it too. I think it's the way. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10564.006

And the way generally I think we both agree is that people have to have the ability to communicate. They have to have the ability to express themselves. And that's how we find out what's real and what's not.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10578.21

Yes, sir.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10588.993

Well, I think one of the lessons that people have learned over the last few years with suppression of information is that that's not good. And there's a giant percentage of the population that feels that way. And even people that are progressive and liberals that were on the side of the people that were pushing the suppression of information still don't think it's right.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10607.059

I think most people generally believe in the First Amendment in this country. And we realize how valuable it is to have the freedom of expression.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10613.701

Yeah. Anyway, thanks for having me.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

10616.081

Thank you, Mark. Appreciate it. Bye, everybody.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

1156.061

Right. You know, and you want to do it a year later.

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they were attacking you like what first of all what was the premise like what what would they were they saying was your offense was it that you were allowing information that was not true that was getting out there i know there was also they're saying that you guys were allowing hate groups to speak there was a lot of this yeah i mean the the the tough thing with politics is that there's like

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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Oh, great.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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The debanking.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

1453.919

What was it like?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

1640.239

Well, I think this administration uniquely has felt the impact of not being able to have free speech. Because this was the administration where Trump was famously kicked off of Twitter. That was a huge issue. After January 6th, they removed, at the time, the sitting president. It was kind of crazy to remove that person from social media because you've decided that he incited a riot.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

1670.722

So for him, without free speech, without people, without podcasts, without social media, they probably wouldn't have had a chance because the mainstream narrative other than Fox News was so clearly against him. The majority of the television entities and print entities were against him, the majority of them. So if without social media, without podcast, they don't stand a chance.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

1696.085

So they're uniquely aware of the importance of giving people their voice, free speech. But you do have to be careful about misinformation and you do have to be careful about just outright lies and propaganda complaints or propaganda campaigns rather. And how do you differentiate?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

1817.271

How do you differentiate? How do you figure that out?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

1830.247

Is he going to make a million actions in a minute? He might. Probably not. Okay, so it's that.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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It's more subtle than that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

1886.592

How are you sure? Is there a 100% certainty that you are definitely getting a group of people that are bad actors? Or is it just people that have unpopular opinions? No, I don't think it's that for this. I think... But what I'm saying is how do you determine? At what percentage of accuracy are you determining it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

1911.154

Do you ever accidentally think that people that are going to get moderated are actually just real people?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

193.122

I'm sorry to interrupt you, but when it first came up in 2016, did it come under the guise of the Russian collusion hoax?

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2171.138

Oh, yeah. Where their WhatsApp app got canceled as well? Yeah, because, I mean, there were a bunch of- So if your Facebook app gets taken down, like, say, if you have a Facebook and you have, like, a sock puppet account, and the sock puppet account, you post offensive memes and you're generally gross. Yeah. If you get caught for that, does your WhatsApp get killed? No.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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Let's say the most severe. Sure. Yeah.

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Right.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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How does WhatsApp get connected to that though?

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Right.

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Yeah.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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Well, it was it was he was so ideologically polarizing, right? Like people didn't want to believe that anybody looked at him and said, this should be our president.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2432.406

conversation yesterday Mel Gibson and I about how that can get weird or was it Theo might have been Theo I think it was Theo where that can get weird because I think like if you're a person and you work at some accounting firm but you like posting about stuff but you don't want it to come back and reflect on your life you want to shit post you want to post jokes you want to be silly you should be able to be anonymous I think there's nothing wrong with that

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2458.334

I don't think just because you state your opinion, people should be able to search where you sleep. That doesn't make any sense to me. But if you're going to allow anonymous accounts, you're definitely going to open up the door to bad actors having enormous blocks of accounts where they can use either AI or just programs where they have like...

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2479.793

specific answers i'm sure you've seen that before it's it's come up on twitter multiple times where they've found hundreds of sock puppet accounts tweeting the exact same thing so you you've literally word for word even certain words in caps like either keep people are copy or pasting it or there's an email campaign that's getting legitimate people to do it or these are fake people you're going to have if you're going to have anonymous accounts which i think you should

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2503.686

Because I think whistleblowers, I think the benefits of anonymous reporting on important things that the general public needs to know about, especially whistleblower type stuff, you have to have some ability to be anonymous.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2517.451

But if you're going to do that, you're also going to have the possibility that these aren't real people, that these are paid actors, these are paid people, or not people at all, or they're running programs, and they're doing this to try to sway public opinion about very important issues.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2578.707

Yeah. No, I think so for jokes, for that kind of stuff, for comedians for sure. Because also we'll say things that we don't really mean. We just say it because it's a funny thing to say. I think everyone does.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2590.492

For sure. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2591.532

Which is just a weird thing about taking things out of context, particularly comedians. on social media where people love to do that.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2599.035

But there is this problem of like, let's just say that you're a country that's involved in some sort of an international conflict and you have this ability to get out this fake narrative and just spread it widely about all sorts of things you're accusing this other government of, all sorts of things that aren't true. And it just muddies the water of reality for a lot of people.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2710.48

Except everyone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2815.585

Right. Yeah, very, very complicated. It's all very nuanced. You made a point earlier about the government supporting its companies, that it would be a good thing for the government to support its companies. It makes sense. It's an American company. I think the issue that we're dealing with is companies, as we're describing them, have never existed before.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2841

There's never been a thing like Facebook before. There's never been a thing like Twitter before or X. There's never been a thing like Instagram. These are new things in terms of the impact that it has on society, on opinions, on conversations, on distribution of information. There's never been a thing like this that the government didn't control.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2862.435

So it makes sense from their perspective, continuing the patterns of behavior that they've always exhibited. which is to have control over the media. I mean, there has been CIA operatives that have been in major newspapers forever. There's always been that. There's always been this sort of input that the government had in mainstream media narratives.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2884.651

are in a position now where they're losing that. They've essentially lost it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2888.874

And especially with this last, the push during COVID deteriorated, as you were saying before, the opinion and the respect that people have for the facts that are coming from mainstream journalism in a way that I've never seen before in my life, where an enormous percentage of the population does not trust mainstream media anymore. So, well, what do they trust? They trust social media.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2910.011

Well, who's running that? Well, a bunch of people figured it out and invented it. Well, no, fuck that. Like, we've got to crack down on that. Like, we've got to get our hands on this, which is what we saw during COVID, which we saw during the Biden administration's attempt to remove the Hunter Biden laptop story from Twitter and from Twitter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2927.223

All these different things that we saw happen, the way they contacted you guys, what they're trying to do with getting you to remove real information about vaccine side effects like that. This is like this new attempt to crack down on this new thing, which is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2943.883

a distribution outlet that's far more successful than anything they've ever controlled before and they have no control of it right they they had cbs they had nbc they had when they had the new york times and all these washington post when they were in control of narratives in that way it was so much easier

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2962

There wasn't some sort of pirate radio voice that came on and said, hey, guys, look, here's the latest studies that shows this is not true. Here's why they're lying about that. Here's why they're lying about this. And now that's what you get all day long on X. It's all day long. It's like dissolving illusions. And that's a completely new thing that probably led to Trump getting elected.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

2991.505

Yeah, there's a lot of things. But without it, he probably doesn't get elected.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3017.678

Yeah.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

31.381

Right.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3174.522

Yeah. The problem is these people that are starting these jobs, they're coming out of universities and in the universities are indoctrinated into these ideas as well. It's very difficult to be a person who stands outside of that and takes unpopular positions. You get socially ostracized and people are

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3195.473

They're very hesitant to do that, and they would rather just keep their mouth shut and talk about it in quiet conversation. And that's what we experienced, which is another argument for anonymous accounts. I think you should have anonymous accounts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3207.882

I think you should be able – like if there's something like COVID mandates or some things that you're dealing with and you don't want to get fired because of it, you should be able to talk about it. And you should be able to post facts and information and what you've learned.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3219.87

And, you know, anecdotal experiences of people in your family that had vaccine side effects and not worry about losing your job, which people were worried about, which is so crazy. And, you know, and you're seeing... A lot of the people that used to be in mainstream media got fired and now they're trying to do the sort of podcast thing. But they're trying to do it like a mainstream media person.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3243.832

So they're like gaslighting during podcasts and people are like, hey, fuck face. You can't do that here. It doesn't work. Yeah. Well, it's a new medium.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3276.034

Yeah.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3382.743

I think it's just more real. Yeah, it's definitely that. And the other thing about television that's always going to hold it back is the fact that Every conversation gets interrupted every X amount of minutes because you have to cut to a commercial. So you really can't get into depth. Even Bill Maher's show is only an hour. You have all these people talking over each other.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3403.766

Then you sit down with one person for a short amount of time. It's just not enough time. for important subjects. It's also a lot of them, for whatever reason, want to do it in front of an audience, which is the worst way to get people to talk. Imagine these disasters that you had if there was like 5,000 people staring at you in a TV crowd as well.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3421.842

So there's that added element, which is so not normal. And not conducive to having a conversation where you're talking about nuanced things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3430.51

Yeah.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3430.89

Where you have to, like, think. You have to be able to pause and not concern yourself with being entertaining in front of these fucking people just sitting there staring at you.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3472.881

It's also like conversations are like a dance. One person can't be dancing at another speed, and the other person is going slow. You kind of have to find the rhythm that you're going to talk with, and then you have to actually be interested in what you're talking about. That's another thing that they are at a huge disadvantage of in mainstream media.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3492.205

They're just doing that because that's their job. They probably don't even know a lot about climate change. They probably don't really understand too much about what SpaceX is trying to accomplish. But they're just reporting on it. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3507.595

I'm sure there are.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3509.016

It's a terrible format. Yeah. And the problem is they get locked into that format and no one trusts them. And then they leave and they go, yeah, but you were just lying to us about this, that, and the other thing. And now I'm supposed to believe you're one of the good guys. You're one of the straight shooters now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3526.84

Well, getting back to the original point, this is why I think it makes sense to me that the government didn't want you to succeed and to have the sort of unchecked power that they perceived social media to have.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3543.147

And I think one of the benefits that we have now of the Trump administration is that they have clearly felt the repercussions of a limited amount of free speech, of free speech limitations, censorship, government overreach. If anybody saw it, look, I don't know what the actual impact of the Hunter Biden laptop story would have been. I don't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3565.669

But there's many people that think it probably amounted to millions of votes overall in the country of people that were on the fence, the people that weren't sure who they're going to vote for. If they found out the Hunter Biden laptop was real, they're like, oh, this is – the family is fucking crazy. And they would have voted for Trump. That's possibly real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3584.153

And if that's possibly real, that could be defined as election interference. And all that stuff scares the shit out of me. That kind of stuff scares the shit out of me. When the government gets involved in what could be termed election interference, but through some weird loophole, it's legal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3656.513

It sounds illegal. I would love to hear it. I wish somebody recorded those conversations. Those would be fucking great to listen to. Somebody could animate them, maybe polytune.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3694.23

And the people that actually did call for censorship, what was their response to all this?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3702.929

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3707.231

Was anybody held accountable? Was there any repercussions?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3713.574

Yes. So that's it? That's it. Well, in a democracy, I mean, that's kind of... Right. But if what they did was illegal... Do you not think that some steps should be put in place to make sure that people are punished for that and that that never happens again? It seems that that has a massive impact on the way our country goes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

3736.743

If that's election interference, and I think it is, that has a massive impact on the direction of our country.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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Oh, he's awesome. Been talking to him for a while about that.

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He's the best. Great entrepreneur. I agree with everything you said about him. Without him, none of the UFC would have ever taken place the way it did. I mean, you needed the Fertitta brothers. They had to come in with all the money and the vision. And it's really funny because Eddie Bravo and I, you know, we've been fans for so long. Eddie Bravo and I went to a live event in the 90s.

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I was working for the UFC as a backstage interviewer, and he went there with Ricky Rocket. You know Ricky Rocket? No. From Poison?

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He's a fucking black belt under the Machados. He's legit. Super legit. Really nice guy, too. Anyway, so... Ricky Rocket and him were at the UFC, and we were talking about it in the 90s. We were like, you know what this sport needs? Because we were in love with it. But we were martial artists. We were like, this sport needs some billionaires who just throw a ton of money at it and just get it huge.

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And then the Fertitta brothers come along, billionaires with a ton of money who are huge fans of the sport, just love the sport. We're hiring people like Frank Shamrock to come in and train them and work out, and we're taking jiu-jitsu with John Lewis, and they were really getting into it. And so then they buy the UFC for like $2 million, which is...

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Probably the greatest purchase ever, except they were $40-plus million in the hole when they financed The Ultimate Fighter. And then that was 2005, and then this one fight takes place with Stefan Botter and Forrest Griffin on television. It's so wild and so crazy that millions of people start tuning in. The sport's born.

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Then you have Chuck Liddell, who was the champion at the time, who was the most fan-friendly champion you could ever have. Just a fucking berserker. Just a psychopath with a fucking head tattoo and a mohawk crushing people in his prime. He was the perfect poster guy for the UFC because he was just smashing people and then throwing his arms back in a cage. It was nuts.

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I'm sure you've seen a lot of Chuck Liddell fights, right? Yeah, yeah. It was just the whole thing took off. But without Dana, it would have never taken place. The guy's tireless. That man, I could call him up. I'll call him up at like 2 o'clock in the morning sometime. Like there's some fight going on. And I'll say, hey, this is going on next weekend. I'm so fucking pumped.

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And we'll talk for hours. For hours. He just wants to talk about fights. He's like so locked in. Like all the time. And he's just like so driven. And now that he's healthy. Like, oh my God, what Gary Brekka's done for him is incredible. He lost all his weight, got super thin, real fit, super healthy. He doesn't fuck around with alcohol anymore. He just eats healthy food. He looks great.

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Now he's getting even more energy. Yeah. It's incredible. Well, we're lucky to have some of it. Yeah, we are. And you know what? We're also lucky that you got into jiu-jitsu. I think that had an effect on you. You look different. When you walked in here today, you look thicker. You look like a different guy. You do. You look like a jiu-jitsu guy now. It's funny. I saw your neck.

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I'm like, his neck's bigger. Your neck is bigger. Good. Are you using Iron Neck or is it just for training?

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It's very important. A strong neck is great for jiu-jitsu as well because it's a weapon. Like in certain positions, like head and arm chokes, you need a neck. It's a weapon. And also for defending things and just for overall stability. But for striking, it's very – like Mike Tyson in his prime. He had a fucking 20-inch neck. Yeah, it's crazy. His neck is like bigger than his face.

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This is a photo of him in a suit. It's the craziest photo. It's like his neck starts at the top of his ears and it just goes straight down when he was a champ, when he was a tank.

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He's amazing.

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Yeah. The neck's very important, but it's also like, you know, you're doing it very smart. You're bringing in Dave Camarillo. He's awesome. Amazing. He's awesome. You're bringing in all these, like, super talented people to train with you, too, which is really important.

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And just learn systematically, probably the way you've learned all these other things, which is really so fascinating to me about MMA and jujitsu in particular. is the general public has this knuckle-dragging, meathead sort of perspective, and then I'm like, let me introduce you to Mikey Musumichi. Well, there's a range. There's a range from Mikey.

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Right, but Mikey's one of the elite of the elite, and he's about as far from that.

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I love Mikey. He's a very good guy.

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He's a super good guy. He's super kind and unbelievably brilliant and eccentric and just so dedicated to jiu-jitsu. He's just amazing.

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Yes, I am too. Well, I'm glad a guy like that exists. I'm like, okay, I know you think that. Let me show you this guy. And then I'm like, let me show you what it really is. Let me introduce you to these people because they're the nicest people ever.

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I know.

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There's no better stress reliever in the world than jujitsu or martial arts. There's no better. You leave there. You're the kindest person in the world. You just like heal all of your aggressions out of your system. Yeah. And it's a phenomenal stress reliever because regardless of what you're going through day to day with Facebook and Meta and all the different projects you have going on.

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it's not as hard as someone trying to choke you unconscious.

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Yeah. Isn't it funny that, like, that's completely contrary? Yeah. To the way most people, if they're outside of it, would perceive it.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, it's also good to know that you can kill people. It's a good thing to know. It's a good thing to know if something goes sideways. I guess there's a certain confidence in that. It's an important skill. If you could give it in a pill, if you could sell it in a pill, everybody would buy it. No one would say, I'd like to be the vulnerable guy walking around with a bunch of fucking assassins.

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No one would say that. They would say, how much is the pill? Oh, it's $2. Oh, give me one of those pills. You take the pill. Everybody would take that pill. Well, it exists. It's just not a pill. It's a long journey of pain.

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And discipline and trial and error and learning and being open-minded and being objective and understanding position and asking questions and having good training partners and absorbing information and really being diligent with your skill acquisition work, which is one of the most important and neglected parts of jiu-jitsu because training is so fun.

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Everybody just wants to roll, you know, where really the best way to do it is actually to drill. And it's the most boring, but really you should drill constantly.

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jam those skills into your neurons where your brain knows exactly what to do in every position and it's such an intellectual pursuit and most people don't think of it that way because you have to manage your mind while you're moving your body you're managing anxieties you're you're you're trying to figure out when to hit the gas and when to control position and recover there's so much going on in training

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that applies to virtually any stressful thing that you'll ever experience in your life. And along with it, you get this skill where you can kill people. You shouldn't kill people. Let me be clear. I'm not saying it's a good thing to kill people. I'm definitely not.

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But I'm saying it's a good thing to, if someone's trying to kill you and they absolutely can't because you could kill them easy, that's way better. It's a way better situation to be in.

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Well, you definitely got a lot of respect in the martial arts community. People got super excited that you were so involved in it and so interested in it because anytime someone like yourself or like Tom Hardy or anyone like, wow, that guy's into it. Like, wow. Anytime something like that happens, there's like some new person who's a prominent person, a very smart person.

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It's really interested in it. We all get very excited because we're like, oh, boy. It's a very welcoming community.

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It's not a jock community. It's super kind. Like jujitsu people in particular, they're some of the nicest people. They're my friends forever. They'll be my friends for life.

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Oh, it sucks.

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That's kind of a cheat code. I mean, yeah.

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That's very funny. Yeah, man. Well, Tom Hardy's doing that too, right? He's done multiple tournaments now.

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So you did the patella tendon graft, right? I did. Yeah. That's a rough one to come back from. I did the patella tendon graft on my left knee, and it took me about a year. I did the ACL from a cadaver. It's actually they use an Achilles tendon from a cadaver on my right knee, and I was back to jiu-jitsu in six months. Like full confidence in six months. Interesting.

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I was 100% recovered, kicking the bag, everything.

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How old were you when you got those? The first one, I was 26. The second one, I was 37. 31, 32, somewhere around there.

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Yeah, I know they say that. I don't agree with that. I mean, just from my own personal experience, my doctor told me that the ACL from a cadaver when they use the patella tendinograph is 150% stronger than your natural ACL. He said, you'll be back to, because I didn't have any meniscus damage in my right knee. He's like, you'll be back to 100%.

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I have a lot of meniscus damage in my left knee, unfortunately, which is also part of the problem with the recovery of that one. But the patella tendon graft, the bone on the kneecap was painful forever in terms of getting on my knees, training for my knees, doing certain positions, and even just stretching.

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Putting my knees on the ground, sitting on my heels, and then laying back was fucking painful. It took forever to break all that scar tissue up. Now it's fine. It's fine now, but obviously it's a long time ago.

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Did you incorporate peptides in your recovery?

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No.

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Don't do that anymore.

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There's other people to talk to. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's gone pretty well. It's gone pretty well. I'm sure it goes pretty well, but it would go quicker with peptides.

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How did it pop? How did it pop?

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So you're too tired as well.

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Are you aware of Knees Over Toes Guy? Yeah. Have you done his stuff?

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Yeah, that's very smart. The knee over toes guy stuff is particularly effective because it all comes from a guy that had a series of pretty catastrophic knee injuries and was plagued with weak knees his whole life. And then developed a bunch of different methods to strengthen all the supporting muscles around the knee that are really extraordinary. Everything from Nordic curls, do you do those?

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Do you do Nordic curls?

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Yeah. Leg curls, Nordic curls, but Nordic curls in particular because, you know, it's very difficult to do. You lift your whole body up with your hamstrings. And all these different slant board squats and different lunges and split squats and all these different things which like really strengthen up all the supporting muscles around the knee better than anything that I've ever tried before. Yeah.

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And he's got a whole program where it scales up, and he puts it online for everybody. And he gives away a lot of information for free because he said, look, when I was 11 years old, I wish I had access to this, so I'm going to put it out there for everybody. Great guy. Yeah. Cool. But I can't recommend that stuff enough.

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But I think what you're doing is strengthening shoulders, strengthening the knee. That's really the way to do it. You have to think of muscles in terms of armor. You know, if you want to do this thing, you know, it's better to have good bumpers around your car if you might bump into other cars. You know, you don't want to just have raw sheet metal, you know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's huge. It's mobility in general. It's just, like, so important.

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Sure.

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I see those old crazy-looking 70-year-old dudes trying to kill each other. Yeah. It's nuts. It's great. It is great, but for real, sincerely, we're very happy. I think I can speak, rarely do, but I think I can speak for the martial arts community. We're very happy you're bored.

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It makes it fun that someone is a prominent, intellectual, very intelligent person who's really gotten fascinated by it because it does help to kill that sort of knuckle-dragger perspective that a lot of people have about the sport.

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Who is they? Who's telling you to take down things that talk about vaccine side effects?

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Yeah, you're playing tag. Well, the way the ties do it, I think, is the best. And they're obviously some of the best fighters ever. They fight a lot, which is one of the reasons why they train the way they train. But when you talk to people that train over there, they're like, you learn so much more when you're playing. You know, when you're doing it, we're not trying to hurt each other.

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You know, then you really do learn the technique like and it gets fully ingrained in your system. Yeah. It's great. Yeah, you just have to be careful of brain damage. Like you were talking about having an MMA fight. Are you still entertaining that? I want to. I mean, this is my thing.

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You can hurt yourself doing both of them. There's really no rhyme or reason. I blew my left ACL kickboxing, my right ACL jiu-jitsu. Okay. It happens. So equal opportunity. Yeah. I mean, Tom Aspinall famously blew his out against Curtis Blades with a supporting leg, just threw a kick, and it's freak accidents. Weird things happen.

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It's a lot of explosive force with striking, and sometimes that tears things more than slow, controlled movements of jiu-jitsu, especially if you have good training partners.

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No, especially when you're competing, unless you're really, really good. Like, have you ever watched Gordon? Like, Gordon never moves fast. He doesn't have to. He doesn't have to move fast. He's just, like, always a step ahead of everybody. Have you talked to him at all? Oh, yeah. Do you talk to John Donaher? No, I haven't. You need to talk to John Donaher. Yeah, and I would be interested in that.

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That's the greatest mind in combat sports. I don't say that lightly. John Donaher is the greatest mind in combat sports. Interesting. By far. He's a legitimate genius. You know the whole story, right? The guy was a professor of philosophy at Stanford. Or Columbia? Where was he? I forget. Columbia, I think it was. And then decides, oh, I'm just going to teach jujitsu all day.

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Sleeps on the mats, teaches all day long. Wears a rash guard anywhere he goes. He's a freak. And he's so fucking smart. Like, scary smart about all kinds of things. It's not just jujitsu. You know, he's got a memory, like a steel vice. Like, he just holds on to thoughts and can...

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repeat them his recalls insane he's a legitimate genius that became obsessed with jujitsu and what he's done with Gordon and with Gary Tonin and you know just a series of other athletes is nothing short of extraordinary You know, just an interesting guy to have conversations with too. Have you seen him on Lex's show? He's done a couple episodes of Lex's.

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Yeah, love the guy. I mean, again, happy there's someone like that out there because when people have these ideas of what martial arts are and then you see a guy like that and you're like, okay. Why? I might have to rethink this. Yeah, there's a whole spectrum of people. Yeah, yeah.

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What is it done in terms of, one of the things that a lot of people said, and I have too, like nothing turns you into a libertarian quicker than jujitsu. Why that is. I think it's the hard work thing. It's cutting out all the bullshit and realizing how much of the things that we take as real things are just excuses and bullshit and weakness and just procrastinate.

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Right.

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There's a lot of things that we have that exist, especially in like the business world and the corporate world and the education world that are just bullshit. And they don't really have to be there. And they're only there to try to make up for hard work.

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It's good.

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It is good. I agree. I don't know.

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It's good. I could see your point, though, about corporate culture. When do you think that happened? Was that a slow shift? Because I think it used to be very masculine. I think it was kind of hyper-aggressive at one point.

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And I just kind of realized it's like, oh, this is like- Well, that's how you become successful at martial arts. You have to be at least somewhat aggressive.

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I felt that way when I started hunting. Oh, yeah, hunting, too. Yeah, same kind of thing. So you've done a lot of that as well.

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Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night! All day! Alright, bro, what's happening? Good to see ya. You too. What's going on? You know, chill week. Yeah, sort of. This recent announcement that you did about content moderation, how has that been received? Probably depends on who you ask.

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Well, it's certainly a lot more primal. Yeah. Yeah. And if you do wind up eating that meat from the animal and you were there while the animal died, like you put it all together, like, oh, this is where meat comes from. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is another reason why things have become sort of emasculated because that energy is not necessary anymore to acquire meat.

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You know, that used to be the only way that people got meat. You had to go hunt it. So you had to go actually pull the trigger, kill the animal yourself, cut it up, butcher it, cook it. You knew what you were doing.

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Yeah. If you want to put it that way. Yeah, I mean, if you're just trying to get meat, it's not the most effective. The most effective is certainly a rifle. But I prefer it because it requires more of you.

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Especially if you're mountain hunting, you have to be really fit. You can't just be kind of in shape. You've got to be really fit if you want to huff up the mountains and keep your heart rate at a certain level so that when you get to the top, you can execute a shot calmly.

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Yeah, and carry the thing out.

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That's a $76 value gift for free if you go to drinkag1.com slash joerogan. Seriously, get on this. That's got to be strange too, right? Because you're running the company, but there's clearly you're moderating at scale that's beyond the imagination. The number of human beings you're moderating is fucking insane. What's a Facebook? How many people use it on a daily basis?

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Yeah, no, this is embarrassing. This is embarrassing.

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Who coached you?

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Okay. Yeah. The thing about archery is, just like martial arts, one of the things that I learned when I was teaching is that it's way easier to teach someone that knows nothing than to teach someone who learned something incorrectly. The people learn something incorrectly. The moment things got tense and they panicked, they went back to the old ways because it's sort of ingrained in their system.

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So archery, one of the things that's very important is proper form and then proper execution, especially having a surprise shot. And learning how to have a surprise shot is... What do you mean?

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Yeah, see? You don't know. No, no.

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See, that's the thing. In high-pressure situations, one of the most important things is to have a shot process where you don't know exactly when the arrow is going off. You just have a process where you're pulling through the shot and the shot breaks. So it's a surprise shot. So you put the pin on the target. I use a thumb trigger. Yeah, I do too. I use a thing called an Onyx clicker.

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And the reason why I use the Onyx clicker is like a hinge, it gives you a two-stage of the trigger. So as I'm at full draw, I put slight pressure and I hear a click. And that click means it's ready to go off with more pressure. So I've gone through stage one. Now stage two is just concentrating on the shot process and knowing it's going to break. And then there's no flinching. There's no tweet.

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There's no, there's no thing that people do when they have a finger trigger. They twitch because your body is anticipating the shock of the bow. And when you're doing that, you can be off by six inches, four inches, five inches, all over the place because you're moving. You're moving while you're shooting.

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When you're doing it with a rifle, it's very different because obviously a rifle is far faster. Yeah. And then you have a scope. So, you know, you're zoomed in many magnifications and all you have to do is just slowly squeeze. And if you're smart, you'll be prone or you'll have your rifle rested on a tripod or something where you have a good steady. It's much easier. Yeah.

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With a bow, it's very different, because you're holding it with your arm, so you have to have the proper form, you have to have the proper posture, and then there's this thought process. And my friend Joel Turner, who is a sniper, created a whole system for people called Shot IQ. He's got this whole online system of developing the proper execution of a shot.

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When you see tournament archers, when they go to Vegas, so what a Vegas tournament is, you have three targets. And they have to shoot 30 arrows at a time. So they shoot 10 in this one, 10 in that one, 10 in this one. And the really good archers score an X every time. So they're in the center or closer to the center. They're hitting the 10 ring every arrow.

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for 30 arrows in a row and then there's round after round another 30 hours with new people another 30 and if you miss slightly you get a nine that's it you're done because all these other guys are not going to get a nine very rarely will they you know so most it's the most tens that you can get and the best way to do that is with a surprise shot

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So these guys have these long stabilizers on their bow where they keep it totally steady. And it's all just about relaxing. And most of them use a hinge release. So you know what a hinge is? Have you ever used one? Okay, instead of a button, when you press it, you're rotating the hinge, which activates a sear. No, I just have a trigger. Yeah. So you're just hammering the trigger.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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You're doing exactly what you're not supposed to do. Really? You're a trigger puncher. Yeah, you're a trigger puncher. With your thumb? Yeah, you're hitting it with your thumb, right? Yeah, I guarantee you, when you do it, your arm doesn't move. You go like this, like that. So with a good surprise shot, you should know it's going to go off.

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You're pulling, and then once the trigger breaks off, your arm will naturally go backwards. because you're not anticipating the shot.

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644.731

Forget about how many overall. How many people use it regularly?

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6442.057

It depends. That elk out there, the photograph that's in the front, that one I shot, it's in the front of the building when you walk in before you go into the studio. There's a mounted head and then a photograph of me and my friend Cam. That one was 67 yards. I shot one at 79 yards once, but that's rare.

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Most of the time, it's like, for me, my effective range, where I'd like to be is 60 yards and in.

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Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, so I think that— You've got to be really—your form has to be tight. You have to be really confident. You have to have a lot of arrows downrange. And then you have to be able to stay calm during the shot. So now imagine if you're shooting something at 18 yards, okay? Yeah. and you hammer the trigger, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, you're still going to get there.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

6491.352

Because it's only 18 yards. So the amount of deviation off the path that it takes in 18 yards is significantly different than the amount of deviation 105 yards. It's a huge gap. It might be two feet to the right. Meanwhile, you thought you were shooting accurately because you're inside a pie plate at 20 yards. And the difference between that is form, technique,

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and a shot execution process, and also management of the psychology of the shot. Because there's this one moment, here it comes, here it comes, now! And if you only do that once a year, like say if you go on one big elk hunt a year, You save up all your money. You get your gear all ready. You get your arrows weighed. You practice. And then you're in the mountains for 10 days.

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More than a third of the planet. That's so crazy.

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And on the 11th day, you get this animal that moves. It's at 57 yards. It stands there. And you're like, oh, oh, oh. And your heart's beating. You just might hammer that trigger. You just might hammer it. So you have to have...

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this shot process and where you you're literally talking to yourself inside your head you have words that you say that occupy your thoughts while you're going through the shot process so that you never get overcome by shot panic interesting Because target panic is a giant thing in the archery community. It's giant. Even saying it is like saying Voldemort. It's like, don't say it.

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People don't want to say it. It's like saying Candyman. People don't like it because it freaks people out. Some people can't keep their pin on the target. They have to keep their pin below the target, and then they raise it up to the target. When it gets where the target is, they hammer the trigger because they're just freaking out.

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Right.

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I want to say that, though. There's a lot of hypercritical people that are conspiracy theorists and think that everybody is a part of some cabal to control them. I want you to understand that whether it's YouTube or whatever place that you think is doing something that's awful,

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I'll take you on an elk hunt in the mountains. You'll get addicted.

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But it's not everything that you're doing, because if you're really considering having an MMA fight, it's very similar, because you're building up to this one moment. Sure, sure.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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Yeah. But it's like martial arts is what I'm saying. It's like you really should learn it the right way from the beginning. That's fair.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

6692.143

Well, the issue with that is that you're reading the comments.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

6709.198

Yeah. It's funny. It's just not mentally healthy. Yeah.

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I don't spend any time on it. Yeah. I'm a much happier person since it's like avoided comments. Yeah. It's just too weird. You're just delving into the world of all these people's mental illness and screaming at people and just, I don't want to have anything to do with it.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

6733.336

I do that. I do that and I shouldn't do that. But I definitely don't send them to them. Hey, bro, did you see this? Those guys are the worst. Guys that will send things to you that are about you. You're like, hey, man, I'm not looking for that. Don't send it to me. I don't want it out. Yeah. Yeah. Social media is like what a weird new pressure.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

6753.782

And children today are going through some bizarre stress that we've never had to go through before. And a bizarre sort of just disconnect from physical reality by most of your communication being electronic. Right.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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So you're not interested in that, or you're not involved in that, rather. Of course you're interested. I mean, involved and not currently with them.

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It's good that you speak because this is how things get changed and this is how people find out that people are upset about content moderation and censorship. But moderating at scale is insane. Yeah. It's insane. Yeah. What we were talking the other day about the number of videos that go up every hour on YouTube and it's –

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It's not going to lead to success. Meanwhile, you're on a fucking island. One of the richest people in the world. You're like, what the fuck, dad? Didn't it work for you? Leave me alone with my iPad. Trying to figure out how to build a mansion in Minecraft.

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bananas it's bananas that's like to try to get a human being that is reasonable logic logical and objective that's going to analyze every video it's virtually impossible it's not possible so you got to use a bunch of tools you're going to get a bunch of things wrong and you have also people reporting things and how much is that going to affect things

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

70.652

What do you think started the pathway towards increasing censorship? Because clearly we were going in that direction for the last few years. It seemed like we really found out about it when Elon bought Twitter and we got the Twitter files. And when you came on here and when you were explaining the relationship with FBI, what they were trying to get you to do.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

7031.906

Yeah. It is complicated, and there's also this dismissal of activities that are done electronically as not being beneficial. And one of the things that we highlighted recently was a study that we found online that showed that surgeons that play video games make far less mistakes.

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Yeah.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

7052.529

Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's so many opportunities, not just for pure recreation, but education. There's so many things you could learn, skills, through AR or VR that it'll greatly enhance your ability to do those things in the real world. I mean, it's kind of a cheat code in a lot of ways. And it's also games in VR. I don't know if you've ever done Sandbox. You ever do Sandbox? Yeah.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

7096.094

Do you know Sandbox VR? Do you know what that company is? Yeah. You go to a warehouse, you put on a haptic feedback test, you shoot zombies. I'm so addicted. I'm so addicted. It is my favorite thing. There's a thing called Deadwood Mansion. It's the most fun game of all time, by far. You have a shotgun, and there's zombies coming at you.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

7130.67

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I have to try it. I haven't tried that one yet.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

7138.072

How long before you guys develop some sort of a haptic feedback suit where it covers the whole body?

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

7144.934

Um...

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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You could have mass reporting because you have bad actors. You have some corporation that decides we're going to attack this video because it's bad for us. Get it taken down. There's so much going on. I want to put that in people's heads before we go on. Understand the kind of numbers that we're talking about here.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

734.662

Now understand you have the pandemic and then you have the administration that's doing something where I think they crossed the line, where it gets really weird, where they're saying what you're saying. They were trying to get you to take down vaccine side effects, which is just crazy.

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Yeah.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

7474.76

Is the bridge when they figure out some sort of a neural interface? So instead of having these extraneous things, instead of having like a fan blowing at you or, you know, the ground moves a little bit, have everything happen inside your head.

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Yeah.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

7534.019

Like the first Neuralink patient.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

7758.05

Well, it certainly can be, but I think that also opens up the opportunity for people to be even more disconnected because if you're sort of connected to other things while you're physically in the presence of someone.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

7768.834

So you're having a conversation with someone, but you're also like searching like where you want to eat that night, you know, like because people are going to use it for that as well.

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Really?

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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Right.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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That's such a weird concept, but it's true. I mean, that's where we're headed. We're certainly headed into deeper and deeper integration. It's not like things are moving away. We're headed to deeper and deeper integration with technology and A.I., And it's inevitable. It seems like it's on this march and there's not a lot we're going to be able to do to stop that march.

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Just we got to hope that the right people are in control of AI when it becomes God. Or that it becomes widely available.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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I think the problem that people have with it is not even whether or not it gets equally distributed. It's that if it becomes sentient and it goes on its own, the fear that people have, the general fear that we're going to become obsolete is that human beings are essentially creating a superior version of higher intelligence.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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that will be powered by quantum computing and connected to nuclear reactors. And it's going to have this ungodly ability to... Well, first of all, they've already shown that AI has learned to code. I mean, that's one of the things that OpenAI said. Oh, yeah. They're learning how to code their own AI.

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8446.833

I'm not sure what this is. What is this? You weren't aware of that?

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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No.

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Fairly recently. Jamie will pull it up. We talked about it the other day. It was shocking. When it was under the impression that it was going to become obsolete, they were going to have a new version of it, and it would be shut down, it tried copying its code, and it tried rewriting its code, like, unprompted. Yeah, I mean, it depends on what goal you give it.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

8473.01

I mean, there are all these weird examples of this. What is this? So pull up the headline. AI Fights Back, the story of chat GPT attempting to copy itself. So this was six days ago. So during controlled safety testing, chat GPT-01 was tasked with achieving its objectives at all costs.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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Under these conditions, the model allegedly took concerning steps, attempted to disable oversight mechanisms meant to regulate its behavior, tried to replicate its own code to avoid being replaced by newer versions, exhibited deceptive behaviors when monitoring systems intervened. Yeah, so... The Terminator. This is the fear, right?

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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At all costs, then, I mean... But this is what people are terrified of, like that a foreign superpower like China is going to say achieve objectives at all costs.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

8631.815

Yeah, and then what if that gets attached to quantum computing?

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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Like part of it is hunting.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

8751.081

Yes. You certainly don't want to live in a world where only the government has the AI.

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Yes.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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I think that's a realistic, pragmatic perspective because I don't think you can contain it at this point. I think it's far too late, especially when other countries are working on it. It's far too late. It is what it is. It's happening. And I think the guardrails, as you said, are really important. I have to pee so bad. So let's pee and come back because I want to talk about a couple other things.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

8814.848

We'll be right back, folks. So one of the things that I want to talk about was I've been doing this thing, this transition from Apple to Android. And the difficulty of doing it, how locked you are in their ecosystem, partly is because Apple does a really good job of incorporating everything and making it very easy, your photos, your calendar, your this, your that, your –

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

883.057

Wow. Yeah. It's just a massive overstepping.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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iMessage but I don't like being attached to one company like that it drives me crazy and when I'm trying to get off it's funny how many people you I mean they've done an insane job because like I think there's some enormous percentage of kids today that only use iPhones and

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

8852.604

And when you try to switch over to Android, it's so much easier to switch from Android to Apple because so many people have Apple. When you switch from Apple to Android, you kind of have to redo your whole system. It's such a pain in the ass. But there's so much of what Apple does that I don't like. And one of the big ones is the way they do that Apple store, where they charge people 30%.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

8875.15

That seems so insane that they can get away with doing that.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

8882.613

I know you do. That's why I brought it up.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

889.641

Yeah.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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And also, you weren't killing people. This is the thing about all of this. It's like they suppressed so much information about things that people should be doing, regardless of whether or not you believe in the vaccine. Right. Regardless, put that aside. Metabolic health is of the utmost importance in your everyday life, whether there's a pandemic or there's not.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

911.354

And there's a lot of things that you can do that can help you recover from illness. It prevents illnesses. It makes your body more robust and healthy. It strengthens your immune system. And they were suppressing all that information. And that's just crazy.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9216.849

Well, they did that with their AR goggle thing, but it's not very successful.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

925.764

You can't say you're one of the good guys if you're suppressing information that would help people recover from all kinds of diseases, not just COVID, the flu, common cold, all sorts of different things, high doses of vitamin C, D3 with K2 and magnesium. They were suppressing this stuff because they didn't want people to think that you could get away with not taking a vaccine.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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They're really good at keeping you in their walled garden. That's what they're really good at.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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Right.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

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Yeah.

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9384.195

But it's still not encrypted. Yeah. Even when you're sending RCS text messages, I don't think it's encrypted. Oh, I thought it was, but maybe I'm missing something. I think it's only encrypted Google to Google phones. I don't think it's encrypted iPhone to Google phones or Google phones to iPhones. Because I think that was actually, was it the FBI?

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

94.436

take down certain things that were true and real and certain things they tried to get you to limit the exposure to them so it's these kind of conversations like when did all that start yeah well

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9403.047

Someone released that telling people that if they're talking about sensitive things, they should use encrypted apps like WhatsApp. See if we can find that. It was something where they were saying that contrary to popular belief that RCS texting to iPhone... GSMA aims to implement end-to-end encryption for RCS messaging apps.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9423.718

Can we see it? It's not a good answer. I'm trying to find a good answer. Oh, okay. I don't have anything to show you yet. I was trying to read it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9429.461

Yeah, so Google RCS to... But I don't know if this is correct. Android phone to Android phone is encrypted with RCS. I think the issue comes with it going from... So like say Google, Google this, Google RCS texting to iPhones. Is it encrypted? RCS texting to iMessage. Is it encrypted? I'm pretty sure it's not. I might be wrong. I don't think I am. I'm pretty sure I read that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9461.005

And the problem was they won't let any other phone use the iMessage protocol. And they had a company that was doing it called Beeper. And they were doing it through some sort of workaround. Yeah, it's not encrypted. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, so it's not.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

947.699

Which is really crazy when you're talking about something that 99.07% of people survive. This is a crazy overstep, but scared the shit out of a lot of people. Red-pilled, as it were, a lot of people. Because they realize, like, oh... 1984 is like an instruction manual. It shows you how things can go that way with wrong speak and with bizarre distortion of facts.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9478.184

So you are getting the ability to send high resolution images, which is great because, you know, like my friend Brian, who uses an Android, he'd send me a video and it'd be this tiny little broken down box because, you know, you had to break it down to the lowest resolution.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9501.418

Do people get mad at you?

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9538.222

When Tucker Carlson was about to interview Vladimir Putin... One of the things that was really disturbing was they contacted him and said they read his signal messages and they knew that he was going to interview Vladimir Putin. And he was like, what the fuck? Who did? The government. The U.S.? Yes, U.S. government. I forget what it was. Was it the CIA or was it the FBI? Wow. I forget who it was.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9559.637

And he was like, I didn't even know you could do that.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9657.584

Yeah. There's probably ways we don't know of. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9680.412

So WhatsApp is encrypted, but if someone has something like Pegasus, what they do is have access to your phone. So it doesn't matter if anything's encrypted. They could just see it in plain sight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

976.594

And when it comes down to it, in today's day and age, the way people get information is through your platform, through X. This is how people are getting information. They're getting information from YouTube. They're getting information from a bunch of different sources now. And you can't censor that if it's real legitimate information because it's not ideologically convenient for you.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9763.021

And you can set that disappearing time on WhatsApp, right? You can make it one day if you want. Yeah, you can do one day.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9804.115

What was your take on that guy getting arrested as the CEO of Telegram?

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9880.927

Right.

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#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9977.357

When you were dealing with the government trying to interfere with Facebook, how much of a fear was there that they were going to get away with it and that this was going to be the future of communication online? That it was going to...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

9993.027

They were going to be successful with all this, that they would push these things through somehow or another, especially if a even less tolerant administration got into power. They would change laws and they would do things to make it possible. How much did that concern you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10013.203

That's the thing with the FDA and pharmaceutical drug companies.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10021.027

It's a conflict of interest. Right. For sure. And it's just nobody regulated it. They allowed it to happen. It should be, if you're working for the FDA, should never be able to leave and go to a pharmaceutical drug company where you then make incredible amounts of money. That seems like a conflict of interest.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10038.236

If you had conversations with these people and they'd say, listen, you're nice to us in a couple of years, golden parachute. You want a yacht? I think you need a yacht. You're a millionaire, which is bizarre that you can do that. It's just as bizarre as the whole insider trading in Congress. You know that a bill's going to get passed. You know this bill's going to affect a stock.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

1005.235

That's like, I mean, we talked about this yesterday, but it's like Holocaust denier is number one. But vaccine denier and election denier are, like, right under there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10060.86

You gamble high on that stock. The bill gets passed. And you make a lot of money. That seems illegal. That seems illegal. Yes, cheating. That seems crazy. But there's a lot of those things, man. And this system was set up by people. And people are flawed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10082.645

Well, it's not just that accountability and transparency in terms of like what's actually going on is way different now because our access to information is way different now. Like anybody can just sort of Google budgets and Google this and you find out that and you find out things about the Pentagon and that about this like. There's just – you don't have to look in the New York Times anymore.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10106.235

You don't have to wait for the news to come on at 5. Now you get it whenever you want it. And that's sort of changed everything with what you can get away with and not get away with. So for the longest time, even though there's rules and the Constitution is set up and the Bill of Rights –

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10119.704

There's been people that have had a lot of power for a long ass time without a bunch of people looking at them. And now more people are looking at them than ever before. And then you get this guy like Trump comes in like, FBI, they're crooked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

1013.542

And he started looking into it, particularly the MMR vaccines and the correlation between the uptick of all these autoimmune issues, autism spectrum disorders, all these different things that coincided directly with the increase in the vaccine schedule for kids. And so then he starts doing research on it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10151.638

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10153.018

Dana White made the Trump thing happen, for sure. He was trying to get me to have Trump on in like 2017. Bro, you would hear rumors of that in the distance. Bro, he would call me up. He'd call me up. Joe, listen, the president wants to do your podcast. I go, you mean Trump? You got to change the name of it. What are you doing, man? Why are you trying to get me in trouble?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10173.527

You know, and back then I was like, I don't want to be a part of this. Too many people were angry. Too many people were pissed off. I was like, I don't need to. And I didn't pay attention to it enough. I didn't pay attention to the way they were misrepresenting things that he had said enough.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10189.519

I didn't really... My wake-up call was when they went after me, when CNN went after me. I was like, yo, this is crazy. You think I'm taking veterinary drugs, bitch?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10198.305

Like, what the fuck are you talking about? This is the dumb... Also... Why are you upset that I got better quick? Like, what is this about? Like that I took veterinary drugs and got better quick?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10211.096

You know, it's like not only that, it's just there's no way they didn't know that it was for humans.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10217.462

But when I saw that and that was so minor in comparison, the way they've come up to Trump because they come up to Trump with lawsuits and all kinds of crazy shit. And I don't think he's a perfect person. I think he's fun. And I think he's a very competitive guy, which is why he likes playing golf so much. And it's why he wouldn't quit until he became the president again. And he pulled it off.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10237.574

And the best thing that I've heard from people on the left is it's not the result that we wanted, but we hope the country can come together. And I think we should all have that mentality. This idea that we're all separate. We're on Team USA. And I think we should just like all publicly state nobody gives a fuck where you're from, what you do. You're on Team USA. We're all in this shit together.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10259.704

That's it. Oh, yeah. That's it. Let's forget about all this identity politics nonsense. But is that going to happen, you think? At least we can put that thought out there instead of everyone's racist, everyone's a Nazi. That ain't helping nobody. You're just pushing people further and further away.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10279.301

The people that used to identify as left, they've been forced to these sort of center-right positions just to maintain normalcy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10285.887

When you're giving puberty blockers to kids and you're opening up gender affirming care clinics and treating kids like shut the fuck up. You're not on the right side. You think you're on the right side because you think you're being compassionate. What you're doing is crazy to most people and we don't want it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10301.502

And we think you might be like in a cult like you're it's a giant cult of leftists that think crazy things. And they're allowing all sorts of bizarre things to happen in society, like the no cash bail thing, like things you think are good. Structural racism is why there's so many people in prison. Yeah, but you can't just let people out who shoot people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

1032.869

And the more he does research on it, the more it gets uncovered that there's this gigantic machine that's protecting all of this because there's so much money that's being generated. And most of it has to do with during the Reagan administration, they they gave them immunity to prosecution. So they couldn't there were no longer liable for whatever side effects the vaccines.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10321.837

You can't just have people robbing people and right back out on the street. You can't have that. You can't have that. You'll have a full deterioration of society and no one will thrive. And you'll be under chaos. You'll be like living in the favelas of Rio de Janeiro in just a decade. You can't just keep this trend going. You're going to fall apart.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10338.913

And it's these idealistic utopian people that want these things to happen, these people that believe that Marxism has never been effectively done properly. But it can be done. There's a version of all of these different communist philosophies that you can imply. There's socialism that could work, right? There's a version of it that can work and make it more equitable for everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10360.409

But the end of that is always one thing. It's totalitarian control over what you say and do. Because as soon as you want to redistribute funds, as soon as you want to tell people they can't have things anymore, then you're going to have to take it from them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10389.379

The problem with the post office is that there's, like, UPS now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10426.469

The last time I saw a post office was the last election. That was the last time I went to a post office.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10432.853

The last election when I mailed in my California ballot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10444.653

Isn't that like at least cause for concern, that leap in numbers?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10449.174

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10450.614

What is it now, Jamie? Do we know what the official numbers are now?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10453.535

The California one hasn't really, I don't know why it hasn't updated more.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10457.596

California, they're digging in their heels.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10467.119

Most people are waking up to that. That's why if you look at the map of California. There's something new going on. Look at the map of California, red and blue, from 2016 and then look at it from – or rather 2020 and then 2024. There's a giant difference. I mean a giant difference. A giant difference in the amount of counties that went red.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10485.068

It's just the big population centers are always going to be blue. They're in the trance. If you're in San Francisco and if you're in Los Angeles, you're in the trance. Like 70% of those people are in the trance. There's this leftist trance.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

105.871

It's just a few cities. Even California was mostly red. That's what's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10500.237

Right, but socially, they're connected to all these ideas. And socially, they're all hyper-liberal. They're socially locked into this mindset. It doesn't allow questioning narratives. It doesn't allow questioning these ideas. So the idea of questioning science was like, there's no way. What, you're a science denier? You could be a science denier.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10520.757

You couldn't even say like, hey, are you sure that these companies who have been lying their entire careers, they've been fucking hit with these giant criminal penalties for lying. We know they lie. You sure they're telling you the truth about this drug when they haven't? injected giant swaths of the population with it before, but they're going to do it now. And they promise it's going to work.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10542.201

And then they're lying about the promises. They're lying about whether it stops transmission. They never even tested for that. They're lying for whether or not it stops you from being infected. They didn't test for that either.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10557.176

But it's just money, man. It's just money. That's what it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

1056.857

Yeah, and then, of course, these motherfuckers started giving little kids, little babies that were just born hep B vaccines. What are you doing? You get that from needles and sex.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10568.564

Because they've used their money wisely to connect it to an ideology. So this is what it is. If you're a vaccine skeptic or a vaccine denier, even if it's not even really a vaccine, I mean, you're calling it a vaccine, but that's kind of a sneaky move because it doesn't really work like a regular vaccine does. It works completely novel.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10587.536

And if you can connect that with the people that's the logical, educated people that are reasonable and convince them that you can't look at it sideways. You can never examine it. You can never question it. You never question whether or not it's even necessary. You just have to go with it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10604.284

You can't question whether or not these other therapeutics that all these doctors have these anecdotal stories about people recovering from these antivirals and trying them. You can't. You got to reject that. That was crazy. Because you have that emergency use authorization thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10625.716

You are suffering from depression. Cry online a lot, but still. You're not hanging around with us. Come hang out here, man. Come move.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10634.042

Bro, if you lived in town, you'd be hanging out all the time. I know. You'd feel better. You'd feel better. You need a little community. I know you, dude. You get weird when you're by yourself too long. You get weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10646.51

You know, you call to check to see if people still like you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10650.153

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10658.399

I believe that. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I want to make sure we're cool. Oh, I believe that. I'm like, of course we're cool. Like, what are you talking about? What happened? Nothing. Just we ain't talked for a while.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10669.809

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10671.45

Yeah, it was a weird conversation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10678.173

Yeah, but I know you, man. So when you call me, I'm like, oh, 3-0 just needs some love. You're out there in the woods by yourself. You can't be alone, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10719.799

That's amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10736.591

That would be a real problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10744.415

This year's has been so... Doing it by yourself, but you are doing it by yourself, right? So you're doing your podcast by yourself. You're doing your stand-up by yourself. The thing about a club is you're doing it by yourself while everybody else is also doing it by themselves. Right, so you're around the same. But you're hanging out. You're having fun. You're...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10760.905

you're charging up your love batteries. That's what it is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

1078.241

Well, you fucked up. It's a joke. What are you going to do? It's a fucking joke.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10780.269

And then the fucking... Every now and then, Kurt would corner you with them conspiracies, bro. Did he ever get you? Did he get you? Oh, yeah. Bro, he drowned me. He took me in a rabbit hole.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10792.975

There was an underwater river. He held me under. Bro, he took me to the fucking... I go, Kurt, I don't even remember the original conspiracy theory that led us to this mind control study that I should have known about. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10810.294

And he's this giant dude, so he's like looming over you with conspiracies in his fucking crazy eyebrows.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10824.225

Here's the thing, dude. Until he started working with Jimmy Dore, he's one of a kind.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10833.252

He's a great dude. He's a great dude. But before he started working for Jimmy, he didn't really have a lot of conspiracies in his head. It was like he got sort of exposed to all that working for Jimmy and doing that show, and he was like, oh, my God, this whole fucking thing is rigged. And then he'd just get rabbit hole after rabbit hole after rabbit hole after rabbit hole.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

1084.643

I feel the same way about Bobby. I don't know him as well as I know Tulsi, though. Yeah, I don't know her. Tulsi's a good friend of mine. I love her. She's great. She's an awesome person. She's like a legitimate, awesome person. That lady, she served as a congresswoman for eight years. And the whole time, she was against this divide of right versus left.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10853.495

That dude will send you a text, and if you send him a text back, he will send you a chain of thoughts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10860.959

Yeah, like a scroll. I want to save them. I want to save them. Because that would be a cool, almost like a book to publish. Texts with Kurt.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10874.358

I love how passionate he is about stuff. He's a smart dude, man. Yeah, he's fun. Very, very, very smart dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10884.486

Brian Simpson, Ahsan Ahmad.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10887.128

Derek was there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10902.117

He's a great person. He's just a nice guy to be around. He's so funny. He is very funny. That's the beautiful thing about the club is that there's so many nice people. Like I said, he charges up your love batteries. That's what we all need in this world. We all need a little more love, a little more fun. And I'm just hoping that Trump doesn't start attacking people. That's what I'm hoping.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10922.505

I'm hoping that he just – and I know people around him want him to do that. Just concentrate on the positives.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10928.267

Concentrate on the positives. You've got four years to do all sorts of things that could really benefit people, and then you will be remembered as that guy. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10943.587

Well, I think if anybody's going to, it's him, especially now and especially with access to podcasts, right? So if he decides to do your podcast two months after he's in office and you have questions like that, all of a sudden Trump could probably tell you. Whatever, it's not top secret. He could probably tell you. He said he's going to release the JFK files.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10959.959

We're going to find out a lot of things. We're going to find a lot of things. We're going to find out whether or not he's going to really keep RFK Jr. as a part of his organization or whether he's going to get pressure from pharmaceutical drug companies or whoever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10974.435

It's not cool. So there's that. And then there's, is he going to release the JFK files? Because he was told that he shouldn't release them. He said some of the people were still alive, which doesn't totally make sense because that was 1963. So most likely, most of those people would be dead of old age. But what does it mean, though, when someone says that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

10999.476

That means that someone from the government could be implicated in the murder of the president. So if that's true, then would it be that they're worried that it would erode... all confidence in the intelligence agencies? Or are they worried that deeper investigations would take place? And then people start saying, well, what happened with Martin Luther King?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11022.935

You know, because there was one that Mike Baker, who's a former CIA guy, was saying that one, like he investigated for a show. He goes, that one doesn't make any sense. That guy just started getting money. He was a loser his whole life. All of a sudden he had money. MLK? No, the guy killed him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11038.662

James Earl Reeves.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11042.116

James Earl Ray? James Earl Ray. So that guy, Mike Baker broke it down for us. I don't remember exactly, but essentially what he's saying is that that guy was a drifter, was a loser, in and out of jail, that kind of a guy. And then all of a sudden he has access to money, he's staying in a nice place, and he has a gun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

1105.034

She was always trying to be cool with everybody. She served overseas. She was deployed overseas in a medical unit, man. So she was helping people that got blown up by the war. Twice. That's where she got that crazy white streak in her hair. Really? Yeah. That all came from the stress of being overseas working in a medical unit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11059.909

He thinks that they set him up to kill Martin Luther King and that someone financed that, which is most likely. That makes sense. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11078.199

Right. Haunted. All you have to do is shave your mustache. Well, that's not him. I'm looking for a guy with a mustache. Where'd he go? Clark can't put on glasses. Where'd he go? He killed my whole family. Where is he? Oh, that guy's got glasses. That can't be him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11113.267

Bro, imagine how gross it must have been to come to some like fucking weird town. A brothel back then? Weird brothel town with a saloon. And you just smell like shit. You've been riding on the back of a horse for three days and you just wander into this weird fire lit community.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11129.626

Ugh. Did you know James Earl Ray escaped prison before he supposedly killed? I don't know how it worked out. Oh, really? Yeah. You were saying, get a disguise. He got like a nose job. Oh, boy. But he also got a driver's license, made it to Mexico.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11148.561

He attempted to establish himself as a pornographic film director using mail order equipment. Who hasn't?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11158.486

You sound like a fucking psychopath. He considered emigrating to Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe, where a predominantly white minority regime had unilaterally assumed independence from the United Kingdom in 1965. Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11178.993

nose job yeah and then went to atlanta and then very quickly started to yeah decided to do what he did yeah it's tough man the heat down there is just fucking ruins everybody does drive people nuts especially we got that cat parasite you know then they're all moving around your head like get them out of my brain

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11211.827

Three Body Problem. Have you seen that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11215.669

It's really good. It's by the people who made Game of Thrones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11219.79

It's really good, dude. It's totally unique. Like, I don't want to tell you much about it. Yeah, don't say anything. It's science fiction, but it's totally unique. You watch it and you're going to go, oh, shit. At first you're like, what is going on here?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

1123.428

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11233.761

But after a while you're like, oh, shit. I'm on episode four now. Fuck, dude. And there's not going to be a season two for like three years.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11259.887

It's so good. And it's just one episode leads into the next one, into the next one. Oh, shit, I can't believe she did that. Oh, fuck, he's dead now. Oh, shit. Off with his head. Fucking, they killed the king in the very first episode. Unreal. Spoiler alert.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11277.544

Yes, right out the gate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11281.769

Bro, handicapped because that dude was fucking his sister and you didn't want anybody to know. That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

1129.694

Your body's, you can't imagine, you know, I was just talking to my friend Bruce about this last night. He was a cop in Austin. We were talking about the amount of death that most police officers see and the stress that has on you. And what he was telling me is you take like a cop that has like 20 years in the job. They, what they see is probably 10 X what the average soldier who's deployed sees.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11290.56

I think you're never supposed to be fucking your sister. I think that's like back to caveman times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11304.481

Well, that's like people always thought about that with rural communities.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11315.084

Yeah. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11348.959

So they had to fuck their sister.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11363.932

Well, that's how it certainly works out in the mammal kingdom. Yeah. Like if you have puppies, the boy puppy will fuck his sister. Yeah. 100%. He doesn't even think twice. He'll try to fuck you. They'll try to fuck your leg. They don't even know what they're doing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11392.298

Isn't it funny? It's crazy. We don't think that about people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11399.162

Yeah, we're animals.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11407.419

Well, I think even if there's not, this is a magical time. It's an interesting time, especially for people like us. They get to talk to so many fascinating people. I mean, we have a really cool job, not just as comics, but also as doing podcasts. I think you've gotten a great education doing that. You seem more introspective. You're more curious about things than I remember before. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11435.223

I think it did the same thing to me. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11442.45

Right. Yeah. Does that make any sense to you? For sure. I know my brain is filled with shit that I don't need.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11455.042

You haven't been doing it as long. I've been doing it a lot longer. That's all it is. It's the amount I do, too. It's numbers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11469.006

You wouldn't want to educate a child on this library. This is not a library you'd allow everybody to have access to.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11476.308

There's a lot of stuff in my head. I was like, God, I wish I didn't know that about people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11488.31

Well, it's just you always concentrate on the worst possible aspects of people. And so if you know so many acts and things that people have done that have been horrific, you're always like the back of your head always has, but maybe that could happen. So it always sits there. It always sits there. If you're a completely... You grow up Amish or some shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11510.885

You're like completely removed from society. You never see any violence. You never see anything. And then all of a sudden you have to go to a bar like downtown Detroit on a Saturday night. You see fist fights and people throwing glasses at each other. You'd be like, what the fuck is this? I'm not ready for this. I'm not prepared for this. You know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11531.369

So if you see it too much, even if you don't see it in real life, the worst thing is seeing it in real life. That's what we were talking earlier about cops. Yeah. Cops are seeing it every day in real life. So you just get like super accustomed to seeing people dead, super accustomed to seeing people get injured.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

1154.875

Because you're seeing murder all the time. You're seeing car accidents all the time. Suicide all the time. Domestic violence all the time. You're pulling people over. You never know if you're going to get shot. He goes, most of these guys are fucked up because they're just constantly seeing this stuff. Constantly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11563.406

I know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11567.109

And nobody wants that job. It is crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11574.781

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11582.465

Yes. Do you think that's possible or not? People don't want to know that we need that. They don't want to kind of believe that you need like masculine, dangerous men to protect you. But that's always been the case. And if you're just looking realistically about violence and crime in the world, it exists. There's no utopian spot. So violence and crime exist.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11605.159

There's only one way you can shield the nonviolent people who aren't committing crimes from the criminals, and that's dangerous men. You need dangerous armed men who are trained and are capable. That's what you need. It doesn't mean they should be running everything. It means you need 100% protection from dangerous people. Then here's the number one thing that nobody addresses.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11626.07

You got to figure out why are so many people coming out of these same communities year after year after year after year being dangerous where no one's doing shit about it. No one's trying to fix it. No one's trying to enhance it. No one's trying to like... recognize, like, do you know how much income we're losing because these people don't grow up to become productive members of society?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11646.404

Do you know how much damage it's causing if they go on to commit violent crimes and whatever, drug dealing, anything that can come out of that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11654.935

And do you know how much of a burden it is on the taxpayer to sort of put them through the criminal system and how much of that could be completely removed if that person grows up and becomes a productive member of society and instead starts contributing to society and it's a success story?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11671.552

That's not impossible to do, but there's been no effort, no engineering large-scale national effort to completely eliminate these horrible spots in this country and not make everything the same and perfect. That's not possible, but there's a level of poverty that exists in this country that's You should never be that poor if you're a part of a community.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11694.755

If you're a part of a community that takes care of everybody, there's no reason why you have $175 billion to ship to Ukraine, but you don't have any money to make sure that no one exists below a certain level of poverty.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11744.119

It didn't used to be a radical idea, but it became a radical idea when people started floating about the idea that capitalism is evil. All capitalism is bad. There's all these people that have these utopian notions of how we should run our society.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11759.935

I think it's going to probably have to be true at a certain point because of A.I., I think we're going to get to some weird point where money seems like it's just ones and zeros. It's just numbers. And it's a bottleneck. The bottleneck of information, right? Because you can't have access to all the information if you have access to all the money. Then where's the money go? That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11781.916

But if we get to this point where we evolve past the state we're at now where you can't trust people to not steal your money, where you can't trust people to not lie, where you can't trust people to not manipulate things and try for their own benefit. If human beings can eventually get to a place like that, then I could see a time in our evolved future where we don't need money.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11803.42

Or when everybody has the same amount, where instead of having this desire to constantly acquire goods and constantly acquire status and prestige in the community, have the bigger house, the bigger car, if that completely goes away and human beings really are one hive mind, I could see where we could equally share resources. But that's like... either a cyborg or a million years in the future.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11833.856

I'm talking about where we get past all of our primitive cave people instincts and DNA that I think fucks with everything and is the cause of almost all of our problems.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11846.655

It's just our programming is fucked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11849.237

Because our programming is the same. Well, you know, there's some variations that have occurred over time, but reasonably similar, I should say, to people that lived 10,000 years ago.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11860.167

So if you took a person from 10,000 years ago and you put them in a T-shirt like this and sat them in the movie theater, you wouldn't be able to tell. It would just look like us. Nuh-uh. Yeah. Yeah. So really, you think 100 percent? Yeah. I mean, they might have been smaller because they didn't give as much food, but a little like a small person. Yeah. We wouldn't know. You wouldn't know.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11882.565

They would look just like us. So if you just put them in a suit and tie and sat them down, that guy would be like, what the fuck? Yeah. And that's basically us.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11891.852

So that person, if you get a person lives 10,000 years ago, the amount of barbaric incidents that guy's probably seen by the time he becomes an adult, the amount of people he's probably seen slaughtered with swords and spears and seeing people lit on fire. That's all inside of us still. Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11909.599

All that programming of like everybody's the enemy and you've got to protect the fields and protect the – that is all a part of our programming. And as technology increases and as we become more interconnected, that's going to be one of the biggest problems that we face is abandoning these bizarre primate characteristics that we still hold on to.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

1193.425

How long ago?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11933.117

Because they're in our DNA. And they're not managed well. People need to manage them to suppress them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11942.502

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

11944.803

No, no, no. Have I been interrupting you a lot, man? I'm sorry, dude. No, you're awesome, man. What are you doing? Stop doing that. Don't apologize. I think I just hit that piece of it. My kidneys are starting to think. Well, let's wrap it up. We've been doing this for three hours. Have we really? At least. Yeah, it's almost five. Nuh-uh. It's almost five. Oh, man. My man, I love you.

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I know I'm always trying to get you to move here, but it's because I think you'd be happier here. And selfishly, I want you around.

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No, I want to be around.

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Hey, if we open up another mothership, do you think Nashville would be a good spot? Is there enough, would we be fucking with Zany's or do you think we would help it?

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Do you have enough comics in Nashville? How many comics are in Nashville? There's some. You gotta have like a base, you know, like that want to perform all the time.

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We're thinking. We're thinking of going to other spots.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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Yeah.

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We thought about going to the most woke place in Brooklyn, setting up shop. Yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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Well, we can find out.

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wow man i can't believe it's so crazy that i was there to watch the list like the elect just like what a night and was like it was really fun time to watch the election at the club in the green room we're all hopping back and forth off stage like who's winning it was fun man it was so crazy dude drinking diet cokes and just having a good time deal vaughn i love you to death you're one of my favorite people i appreciate you very much

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Well, it does. You do a great job, man. I really love your show. I think you got some great interviews and you got a great, you got a nice way of being yourself, you know, when you're talking to anybody. And that's what I think people really like. They like to see conversations where people are just being themselves. And the fact that you could do that with Trump, That's fun. It's inspiring.

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So it's nice to see, man. I really, really love it.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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It is, yeah. We like it.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody.

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Oh, my God.

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Shoulder blades.

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Look at that.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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It's just conveniently ignored by most people who will never be police officers. And then that was one of the more offensive things about the George Floyd thing. All this defund the police shit where people rose up and were saying defund the police. And I mean, defund the police. And Kamala Harris was one of them. She was out there tweeting defund the police. And because of that.

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This is the one I saw Jamie else on this, do you? It's got music to it.

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Crime just ramped up in certain communities and so many people wanted the police back. But then it's, you know, it's a long process to try to... And to this day, most of these cops don't have good morale. They still have this feeling of defund the police was just a couple of years ago. It's hard to get people to be cops now. They don't want that fucking job. And why would they?

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It's a fucking hard job.

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If you think about how hard that job is, like hard jobs should pay more. Yeah, dude. I think if you paid them too much, though, then they just quit. Like, I got enough. I'm out. Yeah, I don't know if he talks. Because what's harder, being a rapper or being a cop? It's fucking way harder being a cop. Oh, yeah. I think, yeah. But rappers get paid way more.

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Yeah, like the cop could like be saying shit from behind the wheel and you can sample that Yeah sample that and turn them into songs we got

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5150.

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Isn't that when someone's crazy?

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#2226 - Theo Von

147.425

No, but it looks like that pattern. Let me see that again. Yeah, it looks a lot like that, like a transplant. Yeah, micrographs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

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Is this cop rap? What is this? Grammy-nominated rapper, Sacramento police officer, records new deployment recruitment video.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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No.

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I looked. I just figured there could have already been one.

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What's that, 51-50? What do you have to do to be a Grammy-nominated? Grammy-nominated doesn't impress me. Like, Grammy-winning, that impressed me. Grammy-nominated, who nominated you?

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#2226 - Theo Von

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Yeah, a little bit. Well, it's like a safe room. Blocks out the world. Yeah. Conversation only exists inside your ears. You know? Locks you in. I think it locks you in. Yeah. That's what I like about it.

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You didn't?

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#2226 - Theo Von

1515.082

Red Clay Strays are great. They're good, huh? Yeah. There's good music out now. It's a good time for music because you could find things so easily. You don't have to wait for the radio. You just find stuff. People send you stuff. Like in the green room all the time, someone will play something. I go, what is this? And they'll shazam it. Like, oh, shit. It's nice.

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#2226 - Theo Von

1534.748

That Shazam thing, that feature is so huge. Yeah. You know on Google Pixel phones, there's an option to just have it on all the time. So anytime a song is playing, you can look down at your phone and it'll tell you what song is playing.

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#2226 - Theo Von

1548.093

Do they still do that? I think that's still a feature. I think it's only on the Google Pixel.

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#2226 - Theo Von

1559.282

Oh, yeah. Like you open your life. I haven't been sleeping.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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Two days in a row, I didn't sleep. The night of the election, I could not sleep. I got home. I was wired. Did you jerk off or not that night? No, no. I just sat in front of the TV. I was watching Professional Pool sitting in front of the TV. I called Dave Smith. Me and Dave Smith talked on the phone at like 3.30 in the morning. Yeah. And then I finally went to bed, and my wife woke up.

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She was like, what happened? Who won? I was like, Trump won in a landslide.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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And then she was up. It was a landslide. It was a crazy landslide. It was the red wave that everybody thought was going to happen in 2022. Hey, Jamie, I'm hearing more and more about what we talked about yesterday, about the amount of people that voted for Biden in 2020. Yeah. Versus the amount of people that voted for anybody in 2016 and for anybody in 2024.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

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So what I sent you, Jamie, it just shows the entire country. Look at that. Oh, that's interesting. That's crazy. There's no blue states, just blue cities.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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That they're still saying it was a giant jump. That's what I see too. A lot of people think it's bullshit. Could be. There's a lot of people that are getting super suspicious about the 2020 numbers because Biden got more votes than anybody by like 20 million. It's really crazy if you look at the chart.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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Yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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This is the most consequential election I think I've ever felt. For sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

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For sure. The way people felt about it, too. The people on the left thought they were convinced that Hitler was coming. They're convinced that some right wing authoritarian is going to come down and take away all your rights.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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A hundred percent. But one hundred percent. Not what he was saying. Not what he did for four years in office. It's all the media. And we're all victim of it a little bit. Because you won't defend him or support him if you hear all these things about him because then you've got to defend the fact that, no, he didn't really do that. He's not really a felon. There were only misdemeanors.

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#2226 - Theo Von

1681.247

Texas voter turnout falls in 2024 election despite record registration numbers. This is just Texas, right? 61% cast ballots, near 6% drop from the 2020 presidential race.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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But the difference in the numbers nationwide is what I'm interested in, because the nationwide numbers, they're pretty consistent, like through the entire, like if you look at 2012, it's consistent with 2016, which is also consistent with 2024. The anomaly is 2020. In 2020- Everything goes way up. Way up.

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Could be. Because it was during COVID. Could be a lot of people weren't working, so they did have the opportunity to vote. Voting should be a national holiday.

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It's crazy that you give some people a complication. Like, imagine if you have a shithead boss. They're like, I got to vote. Why didn't you vote early?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Let me go. Let me go vote.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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Yeah, why don't you go read what that guy did? Let's get rid of Christopher Columbus. They trained it to indigenous people's day. And the indigenous people are like, thanks, after you wiped out 90% of us. Thanks for giving us a day. How about we keep that day? That's fine. But how about we have an election, national election holiday? We could do it one more holiday.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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It should be a paid holiday. You should expect to have to pay your employees on the day that election comes because everybody should be able to go vote. That's what it should be. We'll talk to Trump about it, making a nationally mandated holiday.

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Well, cities are always going to be blue. It's normal. There's a lot of factors. One of them is... You have massive populations of people, right? And when you have massive populations of people, a lot of times it's based around universities. Like Los Angeles is slightly different because Los Angeles has universities, but really it's like more around Hollywood, which is equally delusional.

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I know some people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

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Yeah, very crazy. Well, you were one of the first guys to have him on the podcast. Did you have any hesitancy having him on at all? Um...

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#2226 - Theo Von

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Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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Well, there was a thing that was going on for a while where you were platforming people. This was the idea. Like, if you had on a guy like Trump, you were platforming this bad person. This was this thing.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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But it's an authoritarian way to regulate conversations that let you know more about people. And it's stupid because people don't want to have a nuanced perspective on anybody. Look, this is one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to Kamala Harris. I'm like, I bet there's a person in there. I bet I can get to that person.

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I wanted to find that person. I don't want to hear all the speeches. I don't want to hear, I was raised middle class. I don't want to hear any of that shit. She's a roller skater. You know that? No. I would love to find that out. Yeah. I would love to talk to her about all kinds of shit.

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I literally said, because there was a few restrictions of things I didn't want to talk about, but I said, I don't give a fuck. I'll go get her in here. Whatever you want to talk about. And they want to know if I edit. I'm like, there's no going to be. We're not going to edit.

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I just wanted to talk. I feel like you give someone a couple of hours and you start talking about anything. I'm going to see the pattern of the way you think. I'm going to see the way you process ideas. I'm going to see whether or not you're calculated or whether you're just free. Are you comfortable with you or are you projecting things? She's got 80 different accents.

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#2226 - Theo Von

2007.394

How do you decide which one to pull out? She busts out different accents depending on who she's talking to. They should have made her talk to a bunch of Chinese folks. I would have loved to hear that accent. I do that too, though.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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Yeah, she did one with Latinos. We should talk to the Latino acts. I'm like, this is wild. But she's a chameleon. But if you want to be a successful politician, that's probably a good trait. I agree. You know? It's like a comedian that's always on. They kind of get annoying, but if you want to be a comedian, that's probably a good trait.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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If you want to be a politician, you should probably be able to melt into your environment and sort of meld yourself with whatever these people want you to be.

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2054.4

You know? Yeah. But maybe not. Maybe it's just like the... I always feel like... The environment of debates, the environment of interviews on television, the environment of anything you're doing in front of an audience, it's so fake. It's such a weird way to talk that you don't get a sense of who the person is.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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But most big cities are flavored by a university. Like Austin is flavored by the University of Texas.

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#2226 - Theo Von

2072.249

So, like, when I got to see Trump on your podcast and you were talking about doing cocaine, it makes you like an owl.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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It was hilarious. It was hilarious. But it was like, you got a chance to see that guy as a person trying to figure out, like, who is this psycho I'm sitting here talking to?

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I can only imagine. You talking to him as a person is almost more valuable than any other kind of speeches he does. Because when he's in front of everybody talking, we're going to make America amazing. Those are great speeches. But you don't like she had an amazing speech when I was like she could win was when she had that one speech about Donald Trump, like scared to debate her.

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But he says all these things. But you know what? What I always heard, if you want to say something, say it to my face. And the whole place went crazy. And she was laughing. I didn't see that. Oh, so good. It was her best speech for sure. And it was right when they decided that she was going to run for president.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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It's why Austin is progressive. Austin is, for people that don't know outside of Texas, Austin is one of the most progressive cities. Like if you look at, we voted in Austin, the city of Austin voted more for Kamala Harris than the city of Los Angeles did.

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#2226 - Theo Von

2149.063

Biden stepped down and she had one banger of a speech. She looked young and energetic and like it really made you feel like this is going to be a change. She was hot. She was younger. She was a smoke show.

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I do know what you were saying. That's why it's so crazy.

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#2226 - Theo Von

2178.321

I understand what you're saying. But, like, that one speech was almost enough for her to win. And if she just didn't talk other than speeches... But they needed to do a better job with the speeches because every speech was the same. And the problem with that is we were talking about this, like the internet. You get to see that speech over and over again online.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2197.96

And then people make compilations of speech.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2200.883

But it's like if someone goes to see your act. They don't understand acts, to develop a bit, it takes months and months and months to really put it together where it's rock solid. And you're going to do it the same way or slightly different every night. And if someone comes to see you and goes, Theo's so full of shit, man.

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#2226 - Theo Von

2233.792

Exactly. So that's what they feel about a presidential candidate that's telling the same speech over and over. Well, hey, you're not supposed to go see all those speeches. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

2250.507

He does, but not in the same order. It's like going to see a Grateful Dead show. It's all over the place. You know, he's... When Trump gets out there, he just does... Did you see? He had this long-winded speech about the rocket. That was insane, dude. I'm like, you just won the presidency. Edit that down. You can edit that down. That could be two minutes. Beautiful lines.

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#2226 - Theo Von

2274.65

I was worried about that in the very beginning of the podcast before we got cooking. When he was talking about Lincoln's bedroom, I was like, oh, boy. Like, where is this going?

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#2226 - Theo Von

2291.082

Oh, it is? No, he was talking about the one that's in the White House.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2297.284

Oh, you can go to his childhood home. Oh, wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

230.112

Really? A higher percentage of Democrats voted for Kamala Harris than even Los Angeles.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2302.543

Oh, that was a good move. Pretty cool. He had big-ass hats back then.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2306.367

That's a good move. That's a good move. It's like credit cards behind your phone, that kind of thing. Except if you lose your phone, you lose everything. But you ain't losing that big-ass hat. That was fucking long, dude. They did crazy, man. You ever see how many dudes wore fancy hats back in the day? That shit just went away. It did.

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#2226 - Theo Von

2325.084

Imagine if you were a kid and you were growing up in a hat family. You're like, our family makes hats, bro. I'm balling forever. I'm going to take over this business. And then no hats. If you watch, there's a great outside boxing match in Reno, Nevada between Jack Johnson and I think it's Jim Jeffries. Jim Jeffries? Yes. Not that guy. Another one. Not the comedian.

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#2226 - Theo Von

2356.794

No. Maybe. I don't think so. I think he's just a boxer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2361.158

James Jeffries. So see if Jack Johnson versus, this is it. Who killed the people with that Kool-Aid or whatever? There's a video of all these folks that are walking to the event and every man has a fucking hat on, dude. Wow. Look, they all have hats. Look, they all have fancy hats. Look at all these guys. They're taking off their hats, waving their hats. Men left the house with a fucking hat on.

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#2226 - Theo Von

2385.425

Look at this. Wow. Dude, they all have these fancy hats. What happened? They're all dressed up nice with fancy hats. First of all, good luck seeing anything outside the Republican National Convention with that many people on the streets dressed up in suits. That's it. It's the only time you're ever going to see this. These are like regular men walking on the streets.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2404.132

Everybody had fancy hats on and a nice button-up shirt and a suit jacket. That's Jim Jeffries right there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2413.109

James J. Pratt. That's John L. Sullivan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2421.392

He was a bare-knuckle boxer back in the Dizzee. And he was still famous back then.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2429.255

Isn't that cool? So they built this outdoor stadium to watch Jack Johnson beat the fuck out of Jim Jeffries. That's how it goes. Jim Jeffries was trying to make a comeback. He was a little bit older. Back then, bro, boxing would go until someone died. Yeah. They would have, I mean, what's the most rounds they had back then? They were crazy. It was like 80 rounds or something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2449.573

Like what's the longest old school boxing match ever, Jamie? I think they had some insane amount of rounds.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2459.857

Look at this. The greatest number of rounds was 276. Wow. In a four-hour and 30-minute fight when Jack Jones beat Patsy Tunney and Cheshire in 1825. Holy fuck, dude. Introduced in 1867, each round of a fight would last until someone was knocked down. Oh. Bro, bro, 276 rounds is so crazy. That's when you get all your CTE in an IV bag. You don't have to swallow vitamins.

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#2226 - Theo Von

250.131

Well, they're feeding off of narratives like you're a good person if you believe this. But the consequences are what they're ignoring. The pretending that the economy is in a great place. That's crazy. Talk to anybody who's broke. Talk to anybody who's struggling to pay for bills and groceries. Talk to anybody who's trying to buy a car. The economy is bananas right now. It's sketchy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2501.178

You just get your CTE just hot pumped into your fucking brain. I'm just joking, Brendan.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2507.52

110, I guess.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2508.541

Oh, my God. At New Orleans, that's where it was. In 18, well, he lived to 94. He lived to 1867 or 1867. Oh, because in 1893, it lasted 110 rounds. Oh, my God. Seven hours and 19 minutes. It was declared a no contest, later changed to a draw. Dude, most people couldn't go that long without even looking at their phone, dude. Much less having to fend off a guy. How about having to take a shit?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2539.39

You're in the middle of a 200-round fight. You have to take a shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2546.789

I would bet it would affect your punching power if you just waddle around and shit. Oh, of course.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2553.412

It would be very hard.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2561.337

It would be so soft. You need to tighten all that up if you're going to throw a good punch. Like your ass cheeks tighten because you kind of use your legs as you thrust forward. You really can't shit and punch not effectively. You're going to lose that round. Yeah, we cracked the code, bro. Yeah, we cracked the code. You're going to lose that round. So I guess they probably just pissed themselves.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2578.906

I know guys who shit themselves in the UFC. Multiple guys. It breaks my heart. I believe Tim Sylvia shit himself in a fight once. Who else? Someone came out there. Michael Chiesa looked over at me once while I was doing commentary, and I think he got called. It was perhaps one of those situations where the fight before ended quicker, so he didn't get as much warm-up time as he wanted. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2603.08

And then all of a sudden he's running out there, and he looked at me. He goes, dude, I'm about to shit my pants. I go, really? He goes, yeah, I'm about to shit my pants. And he won. He went out there and won first round submission. Phew. Because he had to. Because he had to. Yeah. Dude, there's another. So is this the fight? Oh, is this another guy who shit his pants?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2619.328

Five fighters who pooped their shorts. Yeah, it happens, dude. This guy shit himself a little bit. Dude, I would shit myself if I had to go in there. So that's crazy. Tim Sylvia definitely shit himself. Randleman shit himself. I like that. It happens, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2645.46

She shit her pants too. Justine Kitsch, congratulations. I bet dudes would pay a lot of money for that on OnlyFans. You sell them shitty drawers. And that's Mark Goddard right there. Call time out, brother. You just stepped in it. Oh, is that what it is? That's the poop? Oh, no!

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2661.766

Imagine if you're, like, face down, if someone's putting you in a rear naked choke, and they didn't clean the mats that good, and the person before shit all over the place. You get pink eye while you're getting your ass kicked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2676.58

Yeah, that's a scary job. That's the scariest job.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2705.527

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Benoit Saint-Denis. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it? Yeah, he beat up Benoit Saint-Denis and knocked him out.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2716.059

Islam Makachev.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2717.379

That was after that. He lost to Islam. That was in Jersey.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2724.821

So he fought Benoit Saint-Denis, then he gets a title shot against Islam.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

273.119

Very sketchy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

277.803

A lot of it is recovering from COVID, I'm sure. I mean, there's probably a lot of blowback from that. I mean, they shut the whole fucking country down, which is just so nuts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2776.152

Oh, I can't wait to see him again.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2782.315

Did he really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2783.896

Wow. That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2788.138

That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2790.82

That is crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2800.888

I'm going to see him in a couple weeks. He's coming out here. Joey is going to start staying out here for months at a time. He wants to get a place downtown in the club.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2811.581

Every time he comes, he's like, I got to come out of here, dog. I'm like, come on. We'll make it easy for you. I'm like, we'll make it easy for you. You tell me when you want to come. We'll fly you out, put you up, whatever you want. I'll get you a real estate lady. Let's get the party started. And I'm trying to bring back the church of what's happening now.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2826.945

Because him and Lee Syatt, they were together when they were at the club together. And I'm like, come on. Let's get the band back together. You guys together were fucking amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2837.168

That show, Joey Diaz's show, was one of the most ridiculous, silly, preposterous shows. It was so ridiculous. And then he went to New Jersey, and here's the problem with Joey in New Jersey. he loves New Jersey, he loves New Jersey people, he needs comedians. And you forget that until you're not with them. And then you're like, oh, this ain't no fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2863.552

That's nice. I like talking to all kinds of people, obviously. But I need comedians in my life. Like, I need vitamins. Like, I need a certain amount of sunlight to get some vitamin D. I need comedians. It's too, like, that night that we had in that green room watching the elections, How many jokes were cracked? How many fucking times did we rag on Tony? Oh, dude. We talked Tony off the ledge.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2885.101

We did it. Tony's like got statistics.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2903.527

He was fucking losing his mind. They tried to label him as a speaker. They said he was a speaker. A speaker that was at the Trump rally?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2920.512

No, that's Obama.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2922.253

A speaker that was at the Trump rally?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2930.265

Dude, the simple fact that Obama's talking about Tony Hinchcliffe is crazy. Bro, Obama's doing a Tony Hinchcliffe bit. There's a video of us at the mothership. What is going on? We played it yesterday, but I want to play it again, Jamie. Play the video. It's on my Instagram of Tony is on stage in the main room. By the way, Tony goes on stage. It's like Richard Pryor just showed up. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2956.445

They were going nuts. He murdered. He has 35 minutes on it. He's on stage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2967.089

At the same time?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2979.682

So this guy was on Fox talking about Tony on one TV while Tony was on stage on the TV monitor.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

2990.521

We did it. He was so nervous because here's what was going to happen. If he lost, you know, so the way these news organizations work, they have outlines for stories. If Kamala wins, they have outlines for stories. If Trump wins, if if Trump lost, they were going to blame it on Tony.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3011.434

Mm-hmm they had stories where they're gonna blame it on that joke and they were gonna say that that joke turned the tides and made people realize the Trump organizations filled with Nazis and racists and and they were gonna blame Tony and Tony would have been Fucked because then the Trump supporters would have thought that too, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3033.459

Maybe. Mexico. Mexico and Puerto Ricans don't really.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3039.706

They don't get along that well. In fighting, there's always been a giant rivalry between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, man. For sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3048.917

Well, you know, there's no prouder group of boxers, I think, in the history of Earth than Mexican boxers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3057.321

Mexican boxers are known for a specific style. Like if someone says you fight like a Mexican, dude, that's a huge compliment.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3065.986

Mexicans like Julio Cesar Chavez, you know, fucking... Canelo Alvarez, Oscar De La Hoya. You can go down the line. Morales. Fuck, man. There's so many. Manuel Marquez. So many, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3084.84

Well, there's a culture of boxing there that goes back so far. With boxing, it's always people that are poor that want to weigh out. And one of the best ways out, if you're a poor young man- Punch your way out. If you can fight, you can make millions. Like Canelo, like Julio Cesar Chavez, like- So it's like the history of people rising through boxing. But there's a similar history in Puerto Rico.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

310.874

Well, not just that. When people are resorting to crime. This administration did that I think is terrible. And this is a progressive liberal thing, is that you have these DAs, these George Soros-funded DAs that just let people out for violent crime. And get the no cash bail thing. And when there's no repercussions for crime, guess what? Crime goes way the fuck up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3111.298

Puerto Rico has a history, a great history of boxing, too. Really? But there was always a rivalry between Mexico and Puerto Rico.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3120.862

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3125.445

You should go see Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson. It might be the last boxing match ever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3131.828

Do you want to see it if Mike Tyson wins?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3137.399

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3145.604

No, they were wearing cups. There's a protector that boxers wear that's different than the protector that MMA fighters wear. So the protector that boxers wear is foam that covers the front of your hips and things too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3163.986

This is what I believe. I believe really, truly, to my core, that they made an agreement where Mike Tyson was only going to hit him to the body full blast. It looked like every time he hit him to the head, he was kind of pulling back.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3178.76

It seemed like a fight to the body, though. Mike was hitting him to the body really hard. And I think he hurt Roy a bunch of times really hard to the body. But, you know, both of these men are 50. Roy, in his day, I maintain to this day, was the greatest boxer I've ever seen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3193.414

Roy Jones, in his prime, was a freak. Like, I mean a freak, where he wouldn't even throw jabs. He would throw a lead left hook. He would favor that over a jab. But it was as fast as a jab. And people couldn't understand it. Yeah. Because you'd never been in a ring with someone that fast. Have you heard of Roy Jones' highlight reel of KO's? You ever watch, like, Roy Jones' news in his prime?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

32.084

Right. Ready to go. Ready to go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3216.186

They were executions, son. It was like Mike Tyson in his prime, but a different thing. In fact, in a Nas song, Nas says the new Mike Tyson's Roy Jones. Wow. Roy Jones was just executing people. He was so much faster than anybody. His timing was so good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3233.04

Oh, my God. He was just so skillful.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3239.497

Oh, I don't know. Maybe Roy would just put it out quick. Just pop you on the chin.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3244.502

Both of them would knock you out quick. You think? Yeah. And this is his one fight with Roy Jones with Vinny Pazienza. It was the only fight in copy box history where the opponent didn't land a single punch. Wow. A single punch. This was like when Roy was trying to get the referee to stop the fight. Before that, Roy signaled to the referee, stop the fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3263.578

And the referee said no, and then Roy goes like this. He's like looking at Vinny, sorry, I got to do this. I've never even seen that. He just lights it up. Bro, he was so good in his prime. But like all fighters, they stay past their prime, and people really only remember them for when they lost.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3280.546

Roy in his prime was just something completely special.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3285.95

You went to watch him just to see how long guys would last. That's what you would watch, to see what he would do to guys.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3294.335

Did you really? Yeah. He's a big fisherman. He dropped his hands, put them behind his back, and knocked the guy out. Lured the guy in and hit him with one straight right hand and dropped him. He would just be toying with dudes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3316.556

Roy was so good. He was so good. And everybody that went in there. He cooked that brother right there. There's a thing that happens when a guy's going to fight. You would see it with Anderson Silva. Who is that, Bill Cartwright? Who's he fighting? I don't know. Some dude is in real trouble. They should have stopped this fight already. That dude did not need to take those other two punches.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3336.431

Dude, he was so fast.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3341.916

He was terrified.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3365.643

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3369.504

Always. Always.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

337.413

I'm going to get out there. You're going to go to jail and you're just going to get released.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3383.627

No. Probably not. But that just shows how disorganized that meeting was.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3412.491

You fucking dumbass.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3414.312

Don't you know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

345.101

Like if you go trout fishing in the lake. Yeah. I mean, a little bit. You're a fly fisherman. You used to be a cop. Now you're a fly fisherman with barbless hooks. You just have a pair of Nikes on the hook. You just put them out there. Yeah, those fishermen, they use barbless hooks. And then they let the fish go. I went fly fishing recently. Yeah? Yeah, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3456.82

I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. But I think when you get to a certain level of your career, you've got to say no to things that are outside of comedy. If you're just coming up and someone says you want to go speak in front of the president, go out there. Make a mark, soldier. Give it your best.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3470.787

But if you're Tony Hinchcliffe and you just did the Tom Brady roast, Kill Tony's the number one comedy podcast in the world. You have millions and millions of downloads every week. Don't do that. It's just too comedy. You're really good. I just was trying to tell people if you saw those same jokes on stage, he kills fucking crushes. It's just the worst environment ever for it. Lights are bright.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3493.185

It's in the day.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3494.486

No one knows a comedian. He goes up cold. No one goes on after him. There's like his big ass pause after him. The whole thing was like organized terribly, terribly. Just complete disorganization. It was like, there was the Trump speech, which is the big thing. Like, what do we do with all the extra time? Like, let anybody talk. Who wants to talk? This guy owns a fucking sandwich shop.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

35.447

Yo, how fun was election night at the mothership?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3512.703

Let him come up there. Yeah, look, it's my friend Giovanni. Like, let anybody in there. They were letting people that were saying wild stuff, too. Oh, they were letting anybody in there. And it didn't seem like they vetted a lot of the speeches.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3530.618

Dude, whenever you get an organization, whether it's the Republicans or the Democrats, you got to kind of like appease everybody. And you got psychos and moderate people. And they're all together under this one banner of this one. Like, have you ever been on a sports team? There's always like one dude on the team that's a fucking psychopath, right? Oh, yeah. Dude, don't cause any fights.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3549.549

Like, leave everybody alone. Let's go. Come on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3562.735

Yeah. Well, sometimes they're not making the best decisions. People don't, man. You get hit in the head a lot. People don't, man. Especially football players, bro. You get hit in the head a lot, you're going to make some sketchy-ass decisions.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3587.771

Right. Nobody got angry at people. They made fun of people for supporting Kamala Harris. We made fun of Dave Bautista because it looked just so silly. performative commercial where it's really important to vote for Kamala and Tim Walz. Is he Minuta? The wrestler. The guy from Guardians of the Galaxy. You know who I'm talking about. Big Jack dude. He's trying to get movies, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3612.886

He's wearing pearls to red carpet events. I know what you're doing. You're trying to get those movies. For what, though? You're an artist. You're sensitive. You're on the right side. He wants to be a lead in a movie. He wants to be a movie star. Then fucking turn on your camera at a house and make something. Dude, I'm telling you, it's the right move. What he's doing is the right move.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3631.362

Even if he's faking it. You mean for Hollywood, you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wear the beads. Wear pearls. That softens you up a little bit. Lose some weight. Lost a bunch of weight. Talk shit about Trump. He's allowed to be like a tough guy talking shit about Trump. Did you ever see that Jimmy Kimmel sketch they did? We called Trump a whiny bitch. You ever seen it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3653.727

You never saw it? Find it, because it's kind of funny.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3659.326

He was a big-time wrestler, was a giant dude, like fucking built like a superhero. And then he went and did Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh, yeah, with Chris Pratt. Yeah. He's a big, giant wrestler, dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3672.156

But he wants to be a movie star, so he's losing some weight. He's a good actor, too, man. He was good in that... What was that movie? The Glass... The Glass Onion, yeah. That was a great movie. He was really good in that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3689.14

If you're a big, giant dude, and you're a big, muscle-bound, giant dude, and you want to do serious roles, you kind of got to lose some weight. And you kind of got to support Kamala Harris. You kind of got to wear pearls. You kind of got to soften your stance. You got to kind of like... be performative that you're the guy that they would want to pick. Cause that's like part of the battle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3711.327

Like here, let me get this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3713.207

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

374.187

It's the more sophisticated way to go fishing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3804.774

Isn't it past your jail time?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

381.551

It also requires a lot more skill.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3832.761

That's not bad.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3834.963

But it's like, you know what he's doing. Yeah. Trying to become a movie star. It's a good move. The Hollywood liberals 100% love that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3852.456

Well, some people do. that work in Hollywood, I'm sure, don't like white men, but that's the thing about woke culture. It's like there's a hierarchy of the injustices that you have faced. White men, even if it's not you, which is where it gets prejudiced, because if it's not you, white men over history have caused the most grief. They've caused the most trouble.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

386.414

For sure.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3873.279

They've been responsible for the most injustices in this country, at least. You know, slavery, red line laws. Other people help with slavery.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3886.046

Right. But in America, slaves were exclusively owned by white people. In other countries, they're owned by all kinds of people. This is where it gets weird.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3896.192

Well, what people don't understand is there's more slaves today than there have ever been.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3900.016

There's more slaves today than there were before 1865 when slavery was abolished in America.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3906.462

Nope. There's more slaves. In Libya, when we took down Libya and the rebels killed Gaddafi on television, did you ever see that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3916.31

It's one of the most terrifying videos. What channel was it on? C-SPAN. But Libya became, for a while, became like a failed state. And at one point in time, there were slave auctions in Libya that you could watch on YouTube.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3931.196

How crazy is that? Like, Google the actual numbers. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's a real statistic. And this is also one of the things that people are terrified about with this border deal. Because one of the things about the border, it's not as simple as people coming over and they want a better life. Of course. But it's also people being exploited.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3953.044

And there's tens of thousands of kids that are missing. Who knows if they've been smuggled into child trafficking. There's who knows how many people have been. Okay, hold on a second. It says estimates range from about 38 to 49.6 million people are slaves today. The number of enslaved difficult people is difficult to determine. Estimates range from 38 to 49 million. What? Uh-huh. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3986.315

Well, you have to include people that can't leave, even if they're not in cages. People that are trapped, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

3994.338

Well, no. I would talk like people that work in coal mines or cobalt mines in the Congo. They're essentially slaves. I mean, they give them the minimal amount of food and water. They work in horrific conditions, and they live in complete abject poverty.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

400.282

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4012.25

Perhaps. Well, they're all getting poison. They're all getting poison pulling that cobalt out of the ground.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4021.177

Probably not a good lunch, I would imagine. Either way, yeah, you could find other spots that suck worse. But the point is, like, those people you could kind of consider slaves. And then there's real slavery. You know, this friend of mine was telling me about this place that was built in Jamaica or the Bahamas. I think it was the Bahamas.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4042.803

And they brought in Chinese workers in like this giant ship. And he said they had this patch of land. They put up a fence around the land. And all the Chinese workers lived on that land. And the Chinese workers built this resort there. And they worked nonstop 24 hours a day. They built the whole thing in 18 months. They would just have shift after shift.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4066.212

And once it was completed, they took all the workers, put them back in the boat, put them right back to China. So what was that? Was that slaves? That's slavery. I mean, it seems like slaves. It seems like unless they paid those people an exorbitant amount of money, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what the arrangement was. But they put a fence around the area.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4085.779

They brought people in a giant ship, and then they put them back on the ship and shipped them back to China. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4114.912

I agree. Did you see Prop 6 in California? What is that? It's on the screen.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4119.98

Prop 6 prohibits slavery and involuntary servitude. And it did not pass. What? What? Wait a minute. What? In California? Yeah. Proposed amendment to California's constitution would bar slavery in any form and repeal a current provision allowing involuntary servitude as a punishment for crime.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4152.491

Oh, here it is. It's forced labor in prisons.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4155.653

Yeah, it has to do with carrying people to work in prisons and they have to fight the wildfires and stuff.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4160.652

Interesting. So they want him to have to work. Wow. They just don't want to pay. Yeah, that's California. But that is what happened, right? That was what the Jim Crow laws were all about, man. Like one of the things about slavery is slavery didn't end. Boom. Now let's get black people jobs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4179.423

No, slavery ended, and then there was this long period where black men would get arrested for anything and everything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4187.551

And then they'd be forced to work. And they had work camps. And so you were still— It was the same thing. You could just get caught, and you'd be a slave. You'd get a bad cop decides you're speeding. Whatever it is, you're a slave.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4202.785

Yeah, you're looking at people bad. You're verbally intimidating people, whatever the fuck it is. You see when someone wants to target you for something, you pissed off the wrong people, they fucking come after you with the law. And they can get you if they just decide that you shouldn't be free and we're just going to... There's an industry around slave labor, which there is.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

421.51

Well, the least sophisticated form of fishing is like a bobber with a worm on it. Yeah. Right? That's the least. You throw it out there. But that's some of the most fun fishing because that bobber starts moving. You're like, oh, shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4223.723

There's also an industry now around keeping people in prison, right? Because the prisons are private. So it's a private corporation owns this building where you lock people up for money. You get paid for them being there. Who gets paid? The private prison. There's contracts with the state.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4243.91

I don't know who gives the contracts, but...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4251.547

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Prison is owned by a corporation. So it's a business.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4256.871

So they lobby to make sure that laws stay on the books. One of them is marijuana. So the prison guard lobby. They were trying to make sure that marijuana stays illegal so that more people stay in prison. Because the more people in prison, the more jobs they have, the more hours they have, the better benefits they'll have. And the prison wants as many people in jail as possible.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4278.507

Because they get money. That is how they make money. Wow. Yeah. Who makes the money? It's not the government? No. Well, in some jails, but there's private prisons. What are the percentage of private prisons? I know we've looked this up, but I forget the number.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4291.457

I don't think so.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4298.666

Dear God, bro. Bro, I heard Circus Circus is going down. That's the ultimate. Circus Circus is like, how is this place legal? At the end of 2022, 8% of the total state and federal prison population in the United States was in private prisons. What? Yep. Which is about 90,873 people. This makes private prisons a relatively small part of the correction system, which is mostly public.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4325.535

Which, by the way, is even crazier. How about the fact that 90,000 people in jail is a small percentage? Wow. We have more people in jail than any other country. Do you know that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

434.862

Fishing is so exciting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4342.682

Yeah, freedom ain't free.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4346.364

A breaker.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4349.805

Something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4356.688

Bust out the smelling salts.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4362.05

I need something. What's going on, man? What's happening, Steve? It's been a long week, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4368.053

Well, you're successful. You're handsome. I don't understand it. I don't understand it either. This one's so bad. It stinks.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4379.8

No, bro. This one is so strong. I haven't even opened this yet. Sniff it. It's not even open yet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4387.905

You can't smell that? You have COVID?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4392.708

Shout out to my friend John Reeves who gave me this knife. This knife is made with...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4398.446

No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

44.369

That was so much fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4402.187

What do you need, man? What's wrong with your vape?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4406.049

What are you doing with a vape with no nicotine? Just faking it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4411.351

Do you want a cigar, perhaps?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4418.247

Before I bust out these smelling salts, son. These are, oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4424.412

Oh, boy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4425.974

Bro, this one I'm smelling from over there. Here we go. Oh, my God.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4434.781

Bear back, huh?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4440.765

Let's get this. You feel me? Get it. Get it. Oh, Lord, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4451.09

That's PBR shit. Let me get one more. Don't be scared. I like it. I like it. Oh, Lord. I can't leave you alone out there in two land. I got to get a dose in myself.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4487.917

If every time you did this and you left here and you felt like you couldn't remember things well, would you still do it? Do that? Yeah. Yeah, I would. If you would lose, like, a little bit of memory, like, where's my keys? Nothing serious. Like, remember your name. You know, still remember your phone number. But you, like...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4508.474

Just a little bit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4509.715

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4540.544

So if you have control, like, so you have anxiety and you're worried about things. And so in order to kind of mitigate that, you do a little bit of damage to yourself. So you have control over the damage.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4562.23

No, I know what you're saying. Self-destructive tendencies is a big part of addiction.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4584.606

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4585.226

Afterward you're like shit that was dumb, but in the moment that feels like at least I'm taking control of the situation I think sometimes you spend too much time alone Me personally yeah, I think it's probably true Yeah, I think knowing you and being your friend for many years now I think when you struggle is when you buy yourself too much Yeah, because when you're with everybody else everybody loves you we all have fun together so

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4613.47

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We need that, especially us, especially comedians. We need to be around people that are just like us. You don't have to worry. We can just talk shit and laugh and have fun. There's no wondering where we stand with each other. It's always fun. You need a home base, man.

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You were doing better when you were at the comedy store all the time because you were around us all the time. We were all around each other. We knew there was a place we could go where we could find like-minded people and have a laugh.

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on a regular basis which is like we're so fortunate most people don't have a place where they can go where they're guaranteed to see people that they love and you're gonna have a good time and just be silly with each other and then you're watching all these sets everybody's going on stage with that energy and so there's all this killing in the air

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Let me ask you this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

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Well, it's good to be crazy because you're busy and you're doing great stuff. Yeah, it's been fun. Your podcast is killing it.

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Oh, well, I appreciate what you're doing. I'm very, very proud of you. I'd love to see how much you've worked at it and how your podcast just keeps growing in the ranks. It's really good, man. It's a perfect podcast in that it's really you. You know how to be you. You're real authentic. Even if you're talking to Trump, you're being you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

4706.647

You're talking about doing cocaine with former President Trump or now newly elected President Trump.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

471.164

Did she love to eat fish?

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You want to be able to express yourself. Yes. Yeah.

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Yeah, I think these kind of conversations are very good for you. Like conversations that you're having, conversations that I'm having. I think they're good for you. You get a chance to communicate with people that are, you know, really interesting, unique people that have lived completely different lives than you. I got Brian Cox on the other day explaining the universe to me.

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#2226 - Theo Von

475.144

Yeah. Yeah, it was cool. What kind of fish?

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Fucking, I could, I was like a kid in a candy store. It's like, it's so exciting to get this guy's just like, super intelligent person who's also a really good communicator who could break down the fabric of the universe for you and what we know about it. I mean, like, when does anybody ever get that opportunity to sit down and talk to someone like that for three hours?

The Joe Rogan Experience

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481.366

Did you guys use like chicken liver? Yeah. Yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

4819.446

Who do you think she voted for? That's a good question. I don't know. Whoever I grabbed by the pussy, probably that guy. Do you know that crazy cat ladies, that there's a reason for that? It's the same reason that, like, it's a cat parasite. Toxoplasmosis.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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Makes you aggressive. Oh, man. No, it makes you aggressive. Yeah. I bet a lot. Like, that's that term, cat lady, crazy cat lady, that's a real thing. That lady's got a parasite. She's got a brain parasite. Toxoplasmosis.

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#2226 - Theo Von

4855.205

Oh, I bet I could test them. Get a cheek swab. Hold that lady down. Give me a cheek swab. I guarantee you that lady's got it. Oh, that lady. I used to live with a dude, bro.

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#2226 - Theo Von

487.487

Yeah, chicken liver works, man.

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4877.993

But before that, I lived with this dude, and he would get really... Imagine you're that lady in the apartment next door, and you hear a saw. Some dude's cutting a hole into your fucking apartment. Yeah, man, I just... That's the crazy thing about apartments, right? What's the crazy thing about cocaine? Apartments have nothing to do with it, bro. I've been up for fucking 42 hours on drugs.

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#2226 - Theo Von

4904.315

You want to hear something crazy? Trump, at the day of the election, Dana White told me he'd been up for 72 hours. Unbelievable. I go, how is that possible? He goes, dude, he's a freak.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

494.127

She was the fisherman.

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#2226 - Theo Von

4966.596

I mean, the guy gets up and says, fight, fight, fight, after he got shot in the ear. He's not freaking out. He's like, oh, my God, I got shot. Get me out of here. They're shooting. He looked. He goes, no, no, stop, stop.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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And if you're lying about him, and I know you're lying about him, why am I supposed to trust you that you're lying for a good reason? If you keep repeating these same hoaxes, they keep repeating. Obama was repeating it in one of his speeches. He said about those white supremacists, they're very fine men on both sides. That's not true. It's not true.

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#2226 - Theo Von

5027.076

But why do they hate white guys? It's just woke things, man. It's just virtue woke bullshit. I just don't understand it. Well, because the hierarchies have experienced a polar shift. Okay? So here's what it is. If you go back to the 1960s. The kind of racism that people faced like before the race riots and all that was horrific because it's just 100 years removed from slavery ending.

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#2226 - Theo Von

504.836

What's that fucking dude's name? The chubby dude that dressed up like the devil and everybody got mad. He's a singer. Sam. What's that? Sam Smith. Sam Smith. Yeah. He... He said he wanted to be a fisher them. Oh, God. Not a fisherman, a fisher her, a fisher she. A fisher them. Yeah, that's wild. The they them thing, that's the best evidence you need that people are out of their fucking minds.

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#2226 - Theo Von

5053.748

And the echoes of that. Oh, it's still in our genes. Yes. But the echoes of that were much more. Much more prevalent then. And so black people were heavily discriminated against. Gay people were heavily discriminated against. People recognize that that's wrong. Young people go to universities. They get taught that it's wrong. They recognize the sins of the past. And then they overcorrect.

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#2226 - Theo Von

5077.441

And by overcorrecting, now you favor people that you think have been previously marginalized. So you give people – like Vivek calls it the tyranny of the oppressed. Right. So the oppressed, the previously oppressed now have a social hierarchy. They're a higher level. If you're a black trans woman, you get to say the things first at the meeting. Let the black trans woman talk.

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#2226 - Theo Von

5102.911

There's a hierarchy in all woke culture. And if you are a white male who's heterosexual, you have to be non-binary because otherwise you can't get in. You got to be a they-them because then now, okay, now you're marginalized. All you have to do is change your approach. That's the lowest level of entry is non-binary straight man. You just say you're non-binary.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5124.592

You just say, I just don't feel like a man or a woman. Meanwhile, you fuck chicks. You know what you're doing, you little chameleon.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5133.54

You're sneaking around. But there's hierarchies. And gay people, because gay people have been previously oppressed. Gay people weren't even allowed. Even in 2013, up to then, Hillary Clinton and Obama both said that marriage should be between a man and a woman. We have to realize that this was like 11 fucking years ago. That was their political talking points.

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#2226 - Theo Von

5157.69

Marriage should be between a man and woman. So now kids realize how stupid that is. Young kids generally have a much better sense of the errors of the past than we do. Unless we're paying attention as we get older, we pay more attention to what's going on before. But now kids immediately are aware of how fucked up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5176.755

colonial society has been, how they've conquered North America, killed the indigenous people. So they want to, like, re-correct things.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5190.479

Well, they already have casinos.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5191.96

They already have casinos.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5197.045

They're getting it back.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5202.189

No, I agree.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5208.894

But you would have to figure out like who owned it like at that time and give it back to them. And then you would have to let all those other people try to kill them and get it back. Because if you want to go back to the old ways, that's the old ways. You want to go back to when the Comanche ran Texas. Like, okay, good luck. But you know what the Comanche's favorite thing was doing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5226.786

Raiding other tribes. They loved that. They were gangbangers. Yeah, they were gangbangers. They would show up in other tribes and slaughter people. And they wouldn't just slaughter people. They would torture them. They would cut their arms and legs off, throw them on a pile of fire. Nobody ever surrendered, ever, because they knew that there was no leniency. You're going to be tortured and killed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5248.775

100%. Fight to the death.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5254.076

The concept of surrender was completely alien to Native Americans.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5259.317

They fought to the fucking death. And they fought each other to the death. And there was battles between all of them. And they conquered and they made alliances and, you know, especially Little Bighorn. They all got together and fucked up Custer. But there's so many different tribes that conquered so many different. And then you'd have to go back to when. Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5276.92

You're like, well, you got it because you killed all these people. Let's go back to the Algonquins. Let's give it to the fucking Apaches. Let's get like you'd have to figure it out, man. Like this was. Yeah, this was a gigantic dream catcher to get the truth. This was really like in some ways other than the violence. It was like a utopian existence.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5296.118

It was these people followed the buffalo around, ate every part of it, used their skins to make their houses, traveled on horseback following them around. They didn't even make art, dude. The Comanche didn't make art. They didn't make anything. Why, they were just warriors? Just warriors eating meat. All they did was eat buffalo and kill everybody else.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

530.99

You can't be plural, you fucking idiot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5325.674

Well, that was the way they lived. You know, I mean, is that better than drone bombs in Yemen? You know, when we sit here comfortably in this fucking Austin warehouse, is it better? Is that better? No. The whole thing is fucked. It's fucked that Gaza's going on. It's fucked that they're using these poor Ukrainians like fucking meat for the Russian war machine. The whole thing's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5346.192

It's all bad. But the crazy that was going on back then was a one-on-one crazy. It's a different kind of crazy. It was like there was an understanding that if you saw somebody and they had horses or they had these, you're going to go kill them and take that thing from them.

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#2226 - Theo Von

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This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Call of Duty. You know, when a new Call of Duty drops, everyone's trying to find a way to squeeze in those extra hours of gameplay. I get it. Life is busy, but sometimes you just need it.

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#2226 - Theo Von

5361.182

And if you knew that there was a camp and the camp was over the top of the ridge and they would be in bed at night, you would come in the middle of the night and slaughter everyone. And they did that to each other. They did that to each other. So it was a horrific way of existing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5389.344

This was a culture of warriors.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5400.851

And most of them got killed by fucking smallpox. That's what's the crazy. Oh. Most of them got killed by the flu and all sorts of diseases that came over with the Europeans. How gay must that have felt, dude?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5415.959

Some dude sneezes on you at the depot. You go to the trading depot to drop off some fucking skins. Some dude sneezes on you, and that's a wrap. Yeah, you're like, you've been training all day, dude. And some guy just fucking doesn't wash his feet for half an afternoon. Or just came here off a boat. Stinky bitch was breathing shit air and drinking shit water. You know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5440.119

Like, can you imagine the hygiene on those boats? Oh, Columbus's ship?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5452.024

It's like, there's an example. Columbus is an example. Could you have done it? I mean, probably if you lived back then, that would have been the thing to do because you would have been bored. But you're in the, it's early morning, couple guys show up. You would want to try to see what it looks like to go across the ocean.

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#2226 - Theo Von

5467.019

If you're a young man and you just needed something in your life and you knew the dudes did it and you just eat beef jerky for three months and you make it across the ocean and when you get to the other side, there's gold everywhere. They didn't even know where they were.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5479.751

But if you read the accounts, there was a priest that traveled with them, some sort of religious man that traveled with them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5485.836

Like a detailed diary of the horrific things that Columbus's men did. They bashed babies on the rocks. Nuh-uh. Yeah, they told certain men that they had to give them their weight in gold, and if they did, they would chop dudes' arms off in front of everybody. They enslaved these people and used them for their gold because these people had no use for gold. They didn't know how valuable gold was.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5509.596

Exactly. Wow. Exactly. Yeah. They just slaughtered people. They just slaughtered people, dude. There's horrific depictions of what Columbus's people did.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5525.393

Well, it's just humans have always done this to each other for all of human history. The strong groups of men with weapons invade people that aren't prepared and they take all their stuff and they conquer them. It's always happened. It's the most common thing. If you go back and look at history, there's a bunch of common things.

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#2226 - Theo Von

5544.909

There's an increase in the complexity of architecture and the design of the cities. There's machines. All these different things improve. But along the way, the consistent thing is war. It's constantly happening from the beginning of time, as early as we know, tribes were battling other tribes.

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#2226 - Theo Von

5565.051

And back then, when there wasn't that many people, wasn't that many resources, and you were competing to see whose genes spread, it's just natural. You develop tools and weapons, and then that's ingrained in our fucking DNA. So here we are in 2024 with iPhone 16s and Starlink, and we're still locked into this tribal war mindset because that's how humans evolved.

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#2226 - Theo Von

5587.609

And that's the scariest thing about being alive today is that we're so advanced, we're so much more civilized than at any other point in human history. And yet, same amount of people, if not more, are dying senselessly all the time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5606.376

Yeah, well, the part of it is war, right? And other parts of the world are not as calm as us. You know, there's parts of the world that are very fucking dangerous.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5614.758

They're the... There's places in the world where you can't go without getting robbed or shot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5625.862

That's where Elvis came from.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5627.962

Isn't that where Elvis came from? And he left. Has it changed? Where's Graceland?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5648.524

That movie, that Elvis movie was so good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5652.467

Where Tom Hanks plays the colonel. You didn't see that one?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5656.631

With that dude, what is his name? Austin? Colonel Winters? What's the fellow's name that played Elvis? Austin Butler. Austin Butler is really good, man. Yeah, that was good. He fucking, he nailed it. He was really good. You really believed that he was Elvis, right? What a crazy story. Yeah. Elvis was the first guy to get way too famous. The first guy that was just way too famous.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5678.954

Like, there was no one that famous before Elvis.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5685.475

Constantine. I think Jesus got his rep, like, he got his real appreciation after he was gone. Yeah. You know, sort of like Kurt Cobain.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5696.929

I mean, people loved Kurt Cobain while he was alive, but I think they really appreciated him after he was dead. There's certain guys.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5713.197

I'm not doing shit. I'll be dead. All right. We'll see about that, huh? We'll see about that. That's what's interesting. Imagine if you really do go to heaven and St. Peter really is there with a book. You're like, this is crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5730.511

It's like trying to get in a hide or whatever. You're the most enlightened being ever, but you walk around with a robe on. Robes are stupid. I never want to wear a robe. Even if I have to go to like a massage place, you got to wear a robe before you take the robe off. I'm like, okay, you're going to see me in my underwear in five minutes. So why don't we just do it now? It's flirting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5751.488

It's lingerie. A robe. Yeah, dude. A robe is just male lingerie. Why would God be wearing a robe with a rope tie? Bro, don't you know about pants? I don't know. You can get yourself a pair of origin stretchy jeans. They're great, man. They look like jeans, but they feel like fucking sweatpants. God, why are you wearing them? Why are you wearing a robe, man?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5772.323

You think God's got that thang on him or what?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5774.624

He probably got a hog. You think? He created the universe. Yeah. Oh, my God. I bet you would want it. I bet you would want it. If you saw it, you'd want it. I wouldn't go up to it. Imagine it just has a magical attraction. You're not even gay, but everybody's gay for God. Hey, look, I'll tell you this.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5794.917

If God's real, he made gay people. Anybody who thinks gay is a choice, I think gay is a choice for some people. Let me be real clear about this. I think there's some people that are open-minded and say, I'll try being gay for a while. It's not me. Maybe it's you. Greg Fitzsimmons said he almost tried it, and he panicked at the last minute and ran away. Yeah. He thought he had to be open-minded.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5818.049

A lot of gay stuff doesn't happen at 9 in the morning.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5824.013

My point is, God made gay people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5827.415

So it's clear. If God made everything, he made people that are gay. The craziest religious answer, like Ben Shapiro gave me this answer. He said he thinks you should ignore it. Don't do it because it's a sin. Just like you want to murder people, but you don't murder them. Like, bro, how much do you want to murder people? Because gay people want to fuck every day. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5847.445

If you want to murder people every day, check yourself in. That's a crazy comparison. The gay thing is literally your sexual expression. You're attracted to other guys. So if you're not attracted to other guys, are you sure God wrote that down? Are you 100% positive that God really thinks that's a bad idea, but yet he made people that have that urge? Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5896.892

I bet it existed from the jump. Little rabbit. Little rabbit? What do you think as a gay dude? Get that little rabbit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5906.918

Booty rabbit. I think gay guys have been here from the very beginning.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5912.762

You know why? Because I think human beings.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5916.144

Jesus Christ. I'm just saying, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5930.002

Well, it might start in the DNA, too. There was, I think, see if you can find this. I think it was University of Rome. They proposed a theory that there was a variation of the X chromosome that existed in women that are very promiscuous. And that these very promiscuous women had a disproportionate amount of gay sons.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5951.128

Yeah, so the idea is that these women are just so, they're so dick hungry that it literally passes on through their genes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

596.593

Man, the replacer always gets it done. Seriously, though, if you're hooked on Call of Duty, this is your time to jump in. Head over to callofduty.com slash blackops6 to get in the game. Call of Duty Black Ops 6, available now. Rated M for Mature.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5961.136

No, but that could happen in Rhode Island. Providence would be a good place for that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5967.721

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Provincetown, I think.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5976.428

I think Provincetown is Massachusetts. But I know what you're talking about. There is a thing in Rhode Island. And then there's Fire Island in New York. But I think their thought was that the same gene that made women really promiscuous, they wanted a bunch of different sexual partners, that it might be actually a gene thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

5995.587

See, the gene thing is weird, man, because Brett Weinstein explained this to me. He said, do you know the difference between a beautiful woman and a woman who's hot? And I said, no. Like, what's the difference? He was like, a beautiful woman is a woman that you would want to have a long term relationship and raise children with.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6011.055

And then a hot woman. Like a woman who's wearing very skimpy clothes and looks like she's really made up. The idea that that's attractive is that you could potentially spread your genes quickly without having any consequences. So this person, you wouldn't have to have a relationship with that person, but it would give you an opportunity to spread your genes as primates.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6039.561

Fertility. The amount of children they have, I think, or something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6043.705

I thought it was the promiscuous women.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6046.848

I'll show you the title.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6048.469

Does it say that there? I wonder if this is their interpretation. Yeah, that's around the time. Gay genes survived evolution as it is carried by mothers who have more children. But guess what? If you have more kids, it means you like dick. I think they were talking about promiscuity, though.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6068.48

However, a study published by the Journal of Sexual Medicine found a correlation between gay men and their mothers and maternal aunts who are prone to have significantly more children compared to the maternal relatives of straight men.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6082.991

Well, hold on a second. Doesn't that make sense, though? That would make sense in terms of natural selection. Because if you're someone who's over having kids, you have too many kids. You have like 10 children.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6096.141

I would see how nature would be like, you know what? We don't need to spread these genes as much. Let's make a couple of these gay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6105.76

Right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6110.181

Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6111.722

Yeah. And if someone has 10 kids and everybody else has 10 kids, that could get out of hand real quick. So I can see how if you have a lot of kids, nature will be like, you know what? Let me do this. What was that? Where was that study done from? University of Rome.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6126.522

University of Padova in Italy. Okay.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6133.324

100%, which is stay out of the fight. You don't belong in the 2A2 plus A, whatever that is. So what is it? It's QBD, what is it? LGBTQ. LGBTQ2AI plus. A is asexual. Stay out of it. Yeah. Stay out of it. It's not your fight.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6158.552

Yeah, you're just like... You don't even have sex with anybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6167.437

Right, that's lonely sexual. Yeah. An L. I think they're going to put robots in there.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6178.475

With a scythe like the Reaper? Like a Reaper?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6185.519

We were talking about robot bodyguards, that in the future you'll have robot bodyguards and you can go anywhere you want.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6198.265

I bet they just pick you up and they run with you. Wow. They just carry you. Did you see this? It's not real. There we go right here.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6203.828

This is not real? Oh, that's not real? It's not real.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6206.825

Jamie, you're a party pooper.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6208.686

Look how it's moving.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6209.546

Super real. You see that pod where they're killing- Jamie, that is so real. Yeah, that's real. Go back. 100% that's coming, okay?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6217.049

Yeah, sure, but yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6218.709

I mean, all these folks that are coming over here for jobs, there's a lot of those jobs that are going to be taken by unskilled labor jobs are all going to be robots.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6235.495

Oh, yeah. Yeah. They should have stopped it a long time ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They should have stopped it a long time ago. If you want humans to survive, you should have stopped it a long time ago. If you want the human race as it is now, you want this to stay. That doesn't make sense because you're making something way better.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6253.78

You're 100% going to make something and you're going to give it autonomy and you're going to give it sentience. And it's going to be infinitely smarter than us. It's not going to be restricted by any biological needs. It's not going to be greedy. It's not going to be mean. It's not going to be malicious. But it might decide we're useless.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6270.011

They might decide that it definitely doesn't need us polluting the ocean and fucking up the fucking rivers.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6276.236

Yeah. Nuclear waste. It's going to be like, what are you doing, morons? Why are you idiots cracking atoms? Stay out of that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

6285.945

Here's free porn and a fucking VR mask. You give your free food. Have a blast. Let you stop breeding. Our population will just drop off a cliff.

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#2226 - Theo Von

629.336

It's just a way to be unique and it's a way to be in a marginalized community if you're just a regular person. So like if you're a regular white person, you're at the lower end of the social hierarchy amongst woke people. But if you're queer or non-binary, Now you're in a protected group.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6314.033

We got coffee. You want some coffee?

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#2226 - Theo Von

6316.975

Well, Jamie, go get you one. Want some coffee?

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#2226 - Theo Von

6322.398

It's a clean mug.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6324.699

Just came out of the dishwasher. Oh, hell yeah. It's like the Civil War. Why are you pouring it with one hand trapped underneath that arm? You're freaking me out. Challenging myself, dude. That is wristability. That was all wrist. You didn't move your arm at all, dude. You were all wrist on that jam. Yeah. That's hard to do, man. Thank you. Wrist is the weakest link. You ever do wrist curls?

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#2226 - Theo Von

6345.966

I'm shocked at how weak bitch ass my wrists are. Oh, it's amazing.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6355.371

Uh-huh. It's crazy. Changes everything. Especially guys with big hands. Yeah. You could grab, like, a guy with a basketball player style hands. There's this dude named Semmy Schilt. He used to fight in the UFC. Semmy? Semmy Schilt. He was seven feet tall.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6368.62

And the problem with Semmy is if you got on top of him, he just grabs your wrist. You can't get your hands free. Like, this motherfucker. Yeah. Because he had these fucking baseball mitts for hands. He just wrapped his hands around you. That's Semmy Schilt. Wow. He was a K-1 Grand Prix winner. Oh, my God. He looks like Zach Bryan a little. Seven foot tall. He was a beast, dude.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6389.072

He fought in MMA, too. Wasn't a good grappler, unfortunately. That was kind of his downfall. But he had a nasty front kick to the body. Yeah, he fought Peter Ertz. He fought everybody, man. Semmy was good. And he was real tall and real good at utilizing that height.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6409.992

Sort of, but you're way further away. The whole thing is distance where you could effectively strike them and they can't strike you. John Jones has the perfect fighter's frame because he's still very strong. He has a lot of muscle, but he's also long and lean. So he's not relatively bulky compared to his weight because he's long and stretched out. So he can hit you from here.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6434.329

And you can only hit him from here. This amount of distance is so huge. If you have a distance of like that much where a guy can hit you and you can't hit him, you have to cross that. And you're so vulnerable while crossing that. And if a guy's a good counter striker and he's active and he's long... They're so hard to get in on. So a guy like John, that's always going to be an advantage.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6458.255

And then with John, if you do get in on him, that's no picnic because he's an elite grappler. So he's going to strangle you. He's going to throw you to the ground. So you're fucked. You're in this fuck zone. On the outside, he's kicking the shit out of your knees. John is one of the nastiest, like side-kicking people's knees. Yeah. Yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6477.389

Very dangerous.

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#2226 - Theo Von

648.284

Nice. What does he have to do to be queer?

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#2226 - Theo Von

6482.732

Dana White says he's the greatest of all time. Right. Which a lot of people say. Yeah. I go back and forth on what I think the greatest of all time means. That's a good question. If you want to say, like, who dominated his division longer than anybody, who beat everybody that was ever any good in his division, and who never lost, that's Jon Jones.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6502.761

The only time you could say he had a controversial decision was the Dominic Reyes fight. It was Dominic Reyes was coming up, he was in his prime, it was a really good fight, a really close fight. But Jon won what I think was a split decision? And then he had a split decision with Tiago Santos. But Tiago Santos, he blew out both of Tiago's knees.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6524.269

Tiago needed knee surgery on both of his knees after that fight. I think that was a split decision. That's dangerous. But the bottom line is John won all those fights. And then, you know, he wins the heavyweight title too. It's tough to argue he's not the greatest of all time.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6540.314

I say, you know, if you had to only pick one, I would pick John. But I don't like only picking one because there's a bunch of reasons why other guys are in this elite class of being considered as possibly the greatest of all time. I always say Mighty Mouse because Mighty Mouse would do things where you're like, what the fuck did he just do?

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#2226 - Theo Von

655.452

He's just... Did he update his Twitter pronouns? No.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6557.068

When he fought Ray Borg, he tossed him in the air and caught him in a fucking armbar on the way down.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6566.377

It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen a guy do inside the cage. He threw this dude through the air and caught a flying armbar in the air. Fuck. It's so fast. To me, it's like when I just think, watch this. Throws him.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6589.501

You know how crazy that is? Look how crazy this is. In the middle of the air, he switches to an armbar on an elite fighter in a world championship fight. That's like a stunt. That's like a stunt move. If you saw that in a movie, you'd be like, shut the fuck up. Nobody can do that. Right. He did it in an MMA championship fight where he was dominating the fight.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6613.192

And then you also got to, like, if you just look on record, this is where it gets crazy. If you just look on record of accomplishments against champions, you kind of have to put Alex Pereira already in the conversation of potential greatest of all time, which is so crazy. He's one of only three two-division champions, right? Yeah. How many have been to? You have Connor. You have DC. You have Alex.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6642.757

No. No. I think that's it. Amanda? Amanda Nunes, that doesn't really count because 45, it does count, but 45 is kind of a non-existent weight class.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6655.799

She was fighting girls that could have fought 35. It's real, but like 45 is the most, 145 for women is the most shallow division in MMA. So yes, you would say Amanda too. So it's a small percentage of people that have achieved that. And he achieved it in record time. He's knocked out so many fucking champions.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6674.486

knocked out Jamal Hill, not beat the shit out of Yuri Prohaska, knocked him out in the second fight. That was crazy. Bro!

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#2226 - Theo Von

6681.335

Bro. Bro.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6684.779

He's a fucking monster, dude. He's a monster. He's a force. What he did to Khalil Rountree was a clinic.

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#2226 - Theo Von

669.962

What is queer these days? Because when I was a kid, queer was gay. If someone was queer, they're gay. Or if you got punched in the head, then you're on queer street. It was like everything was confusing. Queer was confusing. Okay. And then queer became gay somewhere along the line. But now I think queer is whatever you want it to be.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6691.988

He's amazing. To do that to a guy like Khalil, that was a clinic in elite, world-class MMA.

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#2226 - Theo Von

67.769

There was just a lot going on. It felt like... America is brighter. That's what it felt like. We were moving towards this insane world where we're being controlled by liars. We're just being gaslit left and right. We saw it all over the media. We saw it all over the news. Things that were right in front of your face, they're trying to deny. There's just so much craziness.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6728.852

He moves like a snake. He pulls back, and then he strikes forward. He pulls back. He's a master at just getting right outside of your shots, and then his shots are coming in right behind him.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6748.18

Well, it varies a lot too. Like sometimes he moves fast and sometimes he moves slow. It's very hypnotic. Yes, it's hypnotic. It's also unique. He's got a unique frame. So he kind of looks, he moves different on design. Like he doesn't switch his hips when he throws kicks. So you don't see him come until it's too late.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6767.296

So he's standing in front of you, and when he kicks, there's no movement of his shoulders. He's just throwing these kicks out, and they land. And they're not as hard as if he put his whole body into it, but it's hard enough where you're like, oh, no. And you get hit with a couple of those, three, four, five of those.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6782.947

All of a sudden, you're like, I can't walk anymore, and now he's hunting you, and he's hunting you. See, I would put him already in the conversation. I don't think he's better than Jon Jones, greatest of all time, but I already put him in the conversation as a potential greatest of all time nominee. He's right there.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6800.859

He's only been in MMA for a few years.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6803.84

And he's only been in the UFC for a few years. Yeah. It's crazy. A couple of MMA fights other than the UFC, and then the UFC for this run at the top of the division, just smashing everyone to obliterates. So then you got Khabib, undefeated. Oh, yeah, so many greats. What is the definition of the greatest? Oh, George St-Pierre, another two-division champion. That's right. George won at 85 as well.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6826.711

I almost forgot George. Yeah, so George, one of the greatest of all times for sure. Yeah, I saw him. You put him in that conversation.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6835.274

Anderson in his prime. Anderson in his prime is in that conversation. You got to look at them like in their... In the moment. Whenever there's a moment, a time period of like this amount of years to that amount of years, let's all agree that this is the prime. Forget about when they should have retired. Let that go. Just talk about them, whether they're at their best, who is the best.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6860.006

But you can't judge them by how they were when they should have gotten out. Right. Because it's just a foolish endeavor. They shouldn't have been fighting a killer at 42 years old, you know, natural. And it's timing, too. Yeah. But there's just a lot. When fighters fight late into their career, you've got to kind of. You gotta kind of erase that when you think about their ultimate expression.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6883.816

I feel like their prime is their ultimate. It's everything they could do. They did everything right. They crossed every T. They measured all their food. They fucking did the cryo chamber and they did saunas every day and got massages and were sparring and doing strength and conditioning drills and they were going over moves with their coaches. They had a battle plan. everything.

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#2226 - Theo Von

689.133

You could be gay, bi, straight. And then you could be pansexual.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6906.328

So those guys, you can only do that for so long. There's, that's like a nine year at, at the best when you're at the, so you got to look like in that when like fade or in pride, you got to look in that window. Don't look at fade or now and you know, Guys are knocking him out. And it's just not the same. He's an old guy. He's been beaten up a bunch of times. He's still a bad motherfucker.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6928.09

But it's not that dude who was running pride in the early 2000s. Right.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6933.858

Yeah. You got to look at them when they're in BJ Penn at his best. The BJ pen for a few years, I say, is as good as anybody's ever seen.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6942.524

Dude, when he was in his prime, it was just a matter of was BJ going to get him in the first round? Was he going to get him in the second round? BJ was hyper-aggressive and just unbelievably talented.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6955.408

And dexterity, dude. He had crazy dexterity.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6960.03

No, no, no, no, no. He was running for the governor of Hawaii.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6968.706

Maui's awesome.

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#2226 - Theo Von

697.221

Exactly. That's what Wayne Brady is. He's pansexual? He came out. Damn. Came out as pansexual.

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#2226 - Theo Von

6996.321

And so then it's kind of hard, you know, but it was, I'll tell you one thing, what the way the administration handled that, I think, um, put a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth while at the same time, they're sending all that money to Ukraine. I think that was a big problem with the Biden administration when they did that. I think you can't do that.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7015.489

You can't while you're sending all this money overseas, ignore the people that are here. Because then it's like, why are you deciding in this manner that you don't want to help people that were hit with one of the biggest wildfire tragedies ever? Why are you deciding to give them $700?

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#2226 - Theo Von

7037.524

Not only that, but you're not protecting them from potential land grabs. Because one of the things that's going on with this is they've got to do insurance and they go through insurance and this and that. But meanwhile, these people are still paying mortgages. So, like, what happens?

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#2226 - Theo Von

7069.472

Well, there's only so much land, but the problem is the land where that fire hit was very valuable. Oh, yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7078.936

So what I would be fearful of, and if I was someone that was working in the government that wanted to protect people from being victimized, I would say, hey, let's make sure that this land doesn't get snatched up. Let's make sure that these people get their land back.

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#2226 - Theo Von

708.605

It's all so new.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7093.882

If they all want to sell out to a resort and they make a decision on their own, you know, that's one thing. But if they get hit with a wildfire and then all of a sudden it takes forever for them to rebuild, they don't have the finances to rebuild, maybe there's a struggle with insurance. Who knows? Who knows? Maybe you didn't pay your insurance that month. Who knows?

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#2226 - Theo Von

7111.576

And now all of a sudden this land gets snatched up and you're like, whoa. Yeah. Because if they just like one of the things that the governor was talking about was like turning it into a park or something like that. What did he say? Acquiring it for the state. What was his exact term that he said? But he said it like right after the tragedy. It was like, dude.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7132.685

It's not the time to ever say it. It's not the time to ever say you're going to take people's land and turn it into a park because they just got hit by a fire. So now you used to live in this amazing place with a killer view. Not anymore. Now the government's going to take your land. Why? Because you got in a tragedy. What?

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#2226 - Theo Von

7149.86

Like I got double fucked. You got double fucked. You don't even get to keep the land. You can't even rebuild there. No, not anymore. There was a tragedy here. Like, wait a minute.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7165.43

That sounds like the opposite. It's like your government's trying to rob you.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7169.613

Like, did you find it? Find the quote that he said? You got to read the quote because the quote is like, it made so many Hawaiians so pissed off. Tulsi was so pissed off. BJ was pissed off. Everybody was like, this is crazy. Like, how can you say that right after a tragedy like this?

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#2226 - Theo Von

718.868

You're theosexual. Oh, it's fucking getting kind of heady, man. You're theosexual. Why are you afraid to talk to the women?

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#2226 - Theo Von

7196.131

When I was looking for it, this says that the video was shortened and it makes the comments distorted.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7201.013

It distorts Hawaii governor's comments about the state buying land in Lahaina. So what did the actual say, though? I'm already thinking about ways for the state to acquire that land. so that we could put it into workforce housing to put it back to families or to make it open spaces in perpetuity as a memorial to people who are lost.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7224.458

We want this to be something that we remember after the pain passes as a magic place and Lahaina will rebuild. The tragedy right now is the loss of life. The buildings can be rebuilt over time. Even the banyan tree may survive. But we don't want this to become a clear space where then, yes, people from overseas come and decide they're going to take it. The state will take it and preserve it first.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7250.195

Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Say that again. Scroll back. This is interesting. We don't want this to become a clear space where then, yes, people from overseas come and decide they're going to take it. The state will take it and preserve it first. I think what they're probably worried about then is the banks grabbing it.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7270.067

So them saying that the state could take the land might be to prevent the banks from grabbing it and selling it and putting something there. But it still seems like overreach if you're living in the fucking place where the state's going to take the land.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7293.487

Right. Like, where am I going now? What am I doing? You know, and you don't hear anything about it. Yeah, you don't anymore. We looked it up once. There was a time where the government accidentally over sent money to Ukraine. They sent them six billion dollars they shouldn't have sent. So we looked up how much would it have cost to rebuild every house in Maui from the fires? It's five billion.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7315.638

So the extra money that they accidentally sent to Ukraine, they could have sent there and rebuilt every house and had a billion dollars left over. But... But we give you $700. Unreal. That's disgusting. That's disgusting. Like, if you want us to pretend that we're all on the same team, you've got to treat us all like we're on the same team.

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#2226 - Theo Von

733.772

Yeah. But wow, you're a handsome fellow. You're funny. You're successful.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7335.749

You can't literally be throwing all this money into Ukraine, and then there's places in America that suck, and you're not doing anything to help these folks. Like...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7368.563

System, you know, system's a bunch of people. And so when you have a bunch of people, an enormous amount of people, it's too many people to think about as individuals. You think about it as numbers. And that's like the sort of... sociopath version of a government. They just think of you as a number.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7416.189

Well, they get rogue, especially if they've been told by the mainstream media forever that if one side wins, you're going to be in a right-wing fascist dictatorship. Yeah, that just fucking pisses me off. I don't understand that. That should be a crime. Well, at the very least, it's slanderous. It's not true. You can't back that up. It's not true.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7436.863

Like you're saying something that we have evidence of four years of him being a president and not doing that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7444.52

Let's look up the actual definition. But there's a bunch of different versions of it. It's usually connected to a right-wing authoritarian ideology and a power of the state over people. And it gets twisted around a lot because it's also – you could also say it's fascist to impose certain ideas on people, demand certain speech, which would make a lot of left-wing people fascist as well.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7471.081

Far-right authoritarian and utilitarian ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7492.299

And strong regimentation of society and economy opposed to anarchism, democracy, pluralism, egalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and Marxism. Fascism is placed on the far right wing within the traditional left-right wing spectrum. Who's doing all that? No one is. So it's like it's a bullshit term that you're throwing on a guy who has a different political philosophy than you.

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#2226 - Theo Von

7517.59

Put it back up again, please. It's like... There's real fascists in the world. There's really dangerous people. That guy's not. He's got a big ego. He says ridiculous things. Who are you talking about? Trump. He doesn't behave like a guy that you think of in a traditional sense of being the president.

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#2226 - Theo Von

754.134

Which is interesting that you got into stand-up comedy, which makes people really fucking nervous.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7540.003

I think he loves being Donald Trump, but I think he's got some good ideas that a lot of businessmen agree with.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7579.651

I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7619.229

Yeah, I think most people feel the same way. They just want to be safe and happy. RFK Jr. tweeted something. See if you can find that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7628.435

But RFK tweeted like a message to... The thing you sent me yesterday?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

763.021

Oh, interesting, because you're nervous all the time. You're like, fuck it, I'll just go be nervous in front of all these people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7634.099

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7636.182

Is it the RFK one?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7637.283

Yeah. It's long, right? Yeah. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7640.005

Yeah. What's the matter, bro?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7645.229

I got it right here if you want it. I got it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7649.013

No, you're not being a downer. This wasn't it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7652.555

Look at that. FDA's war on public health is about to end. This includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, clean food, sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals, and anything else that advances human health and can't be patented by pharma.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7672.909

If you work for the FDA and are a part of this corrupt system... I have two messages for you. Number one, preserve your records. And number two, pack your bags. Whoa. That's what's crazy about Trump winning. That's what's crazy. Yeah, that's the thing. I love this. And then you've got people like Tulsi. That's the type of person you want. Congresswoman for eight years. Impeccable character.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7698.895

And then you've got Vivek, who's a genius. You've got J.D. Vance, who's fucking brilliant as well.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7704.736

So you have a bunch of good people with him this go around. Well, yeah, it's like we got to get people off each other's necks, man. You know, that's what we got to do. We got to get people to like stop attacking each other. It's so crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7725.01

Well, it's a team thing, dude. It's like your team lost. It really is. These people that are super addicted to politics, they're like people who don't follow sports, never played any games. This is the way they compete. They compete for the most important thing, like who gets to dictate the tone of the country.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7784.69

Like dead cats and shit?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7818.502

Also, cops don't want to take dead animals and fucking pick it up and put it in a bag. Like, that's not what they signed up for. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, if they're not busy... And then go investigate the... Let's see, what kind of animal is this? Yeah, it was this veterinarian.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7856.69

That's probably why you don't get sick a lot. You probably got immunized by the... All the bacteria on finding dead animals.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7869.296

I wonder how many fucking kids that get helicopter parented get allergic to more shit because they don't get exposed to things. They're not crawling around, playing in dirt and shit. All that stuff's probably got to be good for your body. Right? When you're little kids, especially playing in dirt, playing outside. Oh, yeah. If you're just sheltered or whatever. Yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

787.198

No, no, go ahead.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7889.065

Just for your biome, it's got to be good for you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7894.848

Or whatever.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7906.014

Do you know how many snakes there are in the Everglades? There's more pythons. More pythons in the Everglades.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7919.438

That's just a rough estimation that could be off by a factor of who fucking knows. They don't really know. It's dense, dense, dense, dense jungle.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7931.406

I had this dude in here, a python cowboy. He goes and hunts for them. He's got a dog, and the dog will find the nests. He's pulling these giant-ass pythons out of nests. That dog's been sexually assaulted, I bet. I'll say that. Dude, that dog's a psychopath. It's going after something that could easily swallow it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7957.697

That's crazy. This is the crazy thing. Because of the introduction of pythons into the Everglades, 90% of all the mammals are missing. There's no mammals anymore.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

796.622

It was interesting because the beginning of the night, no one knew what was going to happen. So you're watching the first results roll in, and there's like this weird thing. And then Trump gets way ahead, but you're like, you don't want to get too hopeful. Like, how far ahead is he? He's ahead by 100 points. That seems like a lot.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7969.24

They ate them all. Wow. 90% are missing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7975.785

Well, the thing is the number of snakes. Like, it's the perfect environment for those animals. Like, it's like they just dropped off in paradise. Nothing eats them. There's no crocodiles.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7987.199

So some alligators must eat some of them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

7991.325

Look at this. 2012 study found that... Populations of raccoon had declined 99.3%, opossums 98.9%, and bobcats 87.5% since 1997. Marsh rabbits, cottontail rabbits, and foxes effectively disappeared over that time. Got it! So they've essentially eradicated all the rabbits. And the foxes.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8025.497

That's a good question. I wonder. I know that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8033.699

Okay. A full deer. One week. I say one week.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8039.69

Because there's like antlers and shit and hooves. Yeah, yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8043.154

Do you think they swallow the antlers? Do they go for the bucks and swallow antlers? Well, I bet. Can you imagine swallowing? You'd feel like such an asshole when the antler was going down. You'd be like, oh my God, I can't believe I swallowed the antler. That's going to take forever to break down. You're just going to be rolling around with antlers inside your chest forever. Yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8061.708

Oh, every way you go, ow, ow. Just the revenge of that deer.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8074.075

Well, the antler is just bone, but it's so pokey. Like, look at it. I would bet three weeks. Isn't that the wildest thing that nature does, dude? Nature gives them weapons for a few months. This is what happens with a deer. When they stop breeding, these fall off. Every year. So you find them on the ground. They call them sheds. So you can only defend yourself while you're breeding. Exactly.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8100.11

And it's offensive as much as it's defensive. They run at each other and clash. You see them fighting. It happens all the time. It's pretty fucking cool. They go after each other and just fuck each other up.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8119.783

I saw a horrible video of these two deer that got locked together. So they're clashing antlers. They got locked together. And one of them got eaten by a coyote. So one was still alive, connected to this body, couldn't get away, while the other one got torn apart by a coyote. And it was just dumb luck that the coyotes picked him versus that because neither one of them can get away.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8141.662

The coyotes recognized that they were locked into each other and just picked one and went after him, just gutted him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8150.222

Look at this thing. He's trying to eat one with antlers and got fucked up. Oh, God. Oh, it cut his own body open? It bails on it.

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#2226 - Theo Von

816.287

Yeah. They had different numbers. I was getting a different number off my Apple news update than I was getting off of CNN. And then I was texting people like Tulsi and JD Vance. I was getting a different up. Apparently Elon created an app. And he knew who won four hours before the results.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8160.03

Oh, it split his body wide open. Oh, my God. Oh, look at his mouth. He's got the antlers stuck through his fucking jaw.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8168.716

I hate it when people take... Oh, he slid off of it. Wow.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8174.101

Oh, it went right through him. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8181.899

That doesn't bother me at all. That bothers you? Yeah. Why? It doesn't bother me even a little bit. Really? No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8193.063

They're still eating.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8194.923

Well, just talk to them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8200.485

No. No. You're thinking too much.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8217.36

I'm just going to look at them. Like, how is it? Tell me about each bite. No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8229.267

okay makes me nervous well you should just like be real clear about that before you go out with someone like let's eat okay like we can eat together but i got this thing like when i'm done you're done imagine if you're like super reasonable boyfriend in every other way but you just had this rule when i'm done eating no one eats and she's like well this is bullshit like i know it sounds crazy i can't kick it it's i have a tick

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#2226 - Theo Von

8257.546

I have a psychological problem. I can't just sit there. So when I'm done eating, you have to be done. And I don't eat fast. I don't eat fast. But I'm warning you, when that fucking bell rings, all forks are off the table.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8271.519

bone epitimes up dude that would be the weirdest thing that you're obsessed with you have to you have to end at the exact same time last bite that kind of shit yeah i just that would make me i just yeah that kind of stuff little things kind of make me uncomfortable dude but that uh what else am i thinking about pythons

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#2226 - Theo Von

8336.626

What is that? What did they call it? Okay, 10 weirdest Airbnb listings let you sleep in a shoe, an elephant, and a flying saucer. Yo, let's go to the flying saucer. Oh, shit. I want to stay there. That's yours, dude. Bro, if I wasn't married, I'd have the stupidest house. My house would be one of two things. I'd either have it built into the side of a hill like The Hobbit. Oh, yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8361.482

That would be kind of dope. Or I would go full spaceship. Yeah. Just a house where a 16-year-old boy would see it and be like, dude. Yeah, just appear to the child in you. Like Kid Rock's vibe. Totally Kid Rock's vibe. Kid Rock's White House, I maintain, is the coolest celebrity house I've ever been to.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

837.228

So as the results were coming in, four hours before they called it, Dana White told me, Elon was like, I'm leaving. It's over. Donald won. He just fucking somehow or another... I'm going to go back into my pod and evaporate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8382.593

It's not just one of one. He's the only one that would even think about doing that. It's like him and maybe John Daly would build a fucking White House.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8416.99

There's something everybody loves about the overweight dude who's really good at a game.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8427.76

No.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8430.282

Oh, yeah, buddy. She smokes cigarettes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, boy. She's hot? Yeah. Whoa.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8441.329

Let's do it, dude.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8445.152

That's your move. Get yourself a golfer wife. Oh, look at that. Smoking cigarettes, looking hot. Yeah. Let me see. Ooh, baby. And smoking in front of everybody, too. Yeah, she just rips darts on the... Is she from England? Yeah. Ah, there you go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8460.901

They over there, they just fucking smoke. They smoke a lot more over there. Everybody's got a goddamn cigarette.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8468.452

I bet you will.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8473.616

Yeah, right? Don't be rude. What the fuck's wrong with you, bro?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8480

There was a professional pool player. I'm on tour at all. His name was Kid Delicious. And everybody loved him because he was this big, fat dude who played really good. But it was the big, fat guy thing that people liked. Like, oh. You don't have to be a fucking athlete. You don't have to be any good.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8493.53

You don't have to be a guy eating salads and fucking getting up in the morning doing yoga before you come to the pool hall. No. This guy is out there eating hot dogs. That was kid delicious. Yeah. There's a great book about him. John Wertheim, I think his name, Running the Table. Yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

850.922

I don't know what he's getting, where he's pulling his data from, but he had the most accurate data in terms of the rural states hadn't put their results in yet, but yet Trump was ahead in these states. Kamala's never going to win those states, so tabulated that and put it all together. I don't know how he did it. I haven't even talked to Elon about this. I don't know, like...

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#2226 - Theo Von

8519.418

But John Daly back in the day wasn't fat. He was like an athlete. This is just a lifetime of living hard. Oh, he's a fucking-

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8537.674

Look at that hair. And he's a guy that's been playing golf for like how many fucking years now, you know?

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#2226 - Theo Von

8551.208

Yeah.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8559.338

All he drinks is Diet Coke. Yeah, sure. He doesn't like water.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8565.025

I'm sure, but he doesn't drink water. No, he's great, man. I'm sure he drinks alcohol, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8581.473

Who built this? Where do I shit? Dude, Airbnbs have gotten so crazy. Don't people rent out like tents and shit? Yeah, it's like... They'll supply you the tent and everything like that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8597.521

Not a bad move if you don't want to set up a tent. Like, I like camping, but I'm too lazy to set up a tent.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8603.904

You know how you get them rods and shit? It's pain in the butt. It's all like...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8610.854

And you're tying it down, dink, dink, dink, in the ground, dink, dink, dink. And then you realize you're just sleeping in a little cloth house out in the woods.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8620.543

Yeah, there's an Airbnb tent. That's nice, dude. That's probably in Austin. You can fuck in this tent, bro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8626.309

Yeah, let's go.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8629.772

Outdoor fucking's the way to go. I ain't scared of mosquitoes. I'm an outdoor fucker whenever possible.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8637.467

Yeah, he stuck away in the woods. Me and this one girl, we were fooling around in the woods. We never got to the actual sex part. We got close. We got ate alive by mosquitoes. We tried to get naked outside. And so literally our whole body was covered in mosquito bites. It was horrific.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8653.372

It was near a river. Yeah. Yeah, it was near the Charles River.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8656.712

Yeah. Kids would just go into the woods, you know? We'd always find kids drinking in the woods. Yeah. You know? Like, we lived in an area. I lived in Newton, Massachusetts when I was in high school. And Newton is a great town. Like, a really cool area. And where I lived, which is called Upper Falls, there was all these, like, woods and trees and shit.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8677.218

And the river was right across the street from my house. And... It was always these wild kids playing Billy Squire on a boom box and smoking cigarettes. It was like The Outsiders. It was really interesting. And then one kid would get a car. Like, oh shit, Bobby's got a car.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8695.113

Bobby's driving us around.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8699.737

Dude, to this day, one of my favorite cars, I have a 1970 Chevelle. You own it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, bring it up. I would like to see it. But when I was a kid, before I had a car, my friend picked me up in his buddy's car. I didn't know the other dude. I met him from school or something like that, but I didn't know him. And he picked me up in this 1970 Chevelle.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8722.095

It was black with white stripes, and it was perfect. And I remember I saw it. I was like, how does he own this? How can you own this? That's how I felt. I was sitting in the backseat of the car. I was like, this car is so crazy that you could own this car? And I remember he ran out of gas but coasted right into the gas station and stopped the car in front.

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#2226 - Theo Von

873.809

the Dana translation, but Dana said he had an app, and he was, like, showing them. He's like, it's over. He fucking left. Dude just left.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8747.634

It was like the coolest thing I'd ever seen in my life. There's nothing better. The guy owned that car somehow. As a 16-year-old boy, I was looking at this car going, ha! How? How did you do this? How did you do this? Let's see it. No. That's a different car, Jamie. That's my 1970 Barracuda. That's a beautiful... I don't think the 70 Chevelle is on anywhere.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8770.067

But it's just a Google Black 70 Chevelle SS white stripes. Dude, there's nothing like... That's it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8782.813

Mine looks almost exactly like that. But that's exactly like this kid's looked when he picked me up and I got a ride in his car. I was like, that's a 69. That's another amazing car. But that one, the upper one in the middle, that's my actual car. That's my car.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8798.08

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8801.536

That's my favorite, I think, out of all of them. I love it so much. Because it brings me back to that moment when I was a 16-year-old kid and this guy had this car. I was like, how do you have this car? How is this even possible that you have this car?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8825.922

Because you couldn't believe it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8827.823

The things that we completely take for granted. Like your buddy picks you up and gives you a ride. Like, hey, what's up? How's it going on? It's normal. For you now, like, oh, I'm just sitting in the backseat of my friend's car. But back then, it was like, whoa.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

884.756

He's just fucking left.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8844.742

I remember my friend Mike was taking flying lessons when I was in high school. And I went up in an airplane with him when I was 14. We were both 14. And he was taking flight lessons when I was like, what the fuck? I'm letting this 14-year-old kid fly me around with him in a plane and an instructor. Yeah, but back then, you were just so thrilled just to get out of your fucking house.

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#2226 - Theo Von

8874.796

You'd hop in your buddy's backseat. You're like, where are we going? I don't know, man. We're going to go to Bobby's house. All right, you're listening to songs on the radio. You couldn't believe you were in a car.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8893.331

You got one hand on the steering wheel, one hand out the window.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8899.676

How you doing?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8905.201

Those were the days, man. When I was in high school, there was this one dude who was like, I think he was a couple of years older than us. And he graduated, but he was dating a girl that still went to the high school. And he had an IROC Z Camaro.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8922.717

Come on, bro. She's got to have the T-tops. And this dude pulled in front of the high school, and everybody couldn't believe it. He was like the coolest guy alive. Look at him in his IROG Z, picking up the girl that none of us can date.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8947.241

That dude who had that IROC ran over a guy accidentally and dragged him through the city for miles. just tried to get the body out from under his car a couple times but couldn't do it, but just kept driving. So driving around this IROG Z with a person stuck under the car, driving for miles.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8976.188

Yes, that's different.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

8978.069

I feel like if you drive over someone, maybe pull over. Hey, maybe pull over. But I don't know, pull it over. Dude, what do you do at that point? There's like guys that you hear about from high school. It's like you feel like you're in a Stephen King book, like Stand By Me or something like that, you know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9000.222

Well, people just disappeared back then and there was no phones and there was no internet and you barely remembered people if you didn't see them for a month. Like you didn't even have a picture. I have like five pictures of my friends from high school, you know? And mostly because my friend Jimmy sends them to me. But it's like you don't remember. You don't remember what anybody looked like.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9019.024

You don't remember anything. But now... Too much. Now you know everything. But back then, it's like you would hear about this, like, one of the guys you went to high school with, he got in trouble, and like, oh, no, now he's in jail. Whoa.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9034.473

Yeah, whoa. I remember I met this one dude who just got out of jail. Yeah. He was friends of my friend. First guy I ever met that was in jail.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9041.756

And he had just the weirdest vibe. I had a buddy of mine who actually was a training partner of mine who was one guy. He was like this one way. And then he went to jail on a drug charge. And he came out like three years later. He was a totally different person.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9057.958

He was super jacked. I don't know if he was doing steroids or what, but he was like really jacked and fucking aggressive and super dangerous. And he was telling me these stories about jail and about all the fights that he had gotten into in jail. And he got almost like a fight to the death with a mop stick in this guy. He was telling me these horrific fights, and it had just changed him, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9082.239

I mean, I'd never experienced something like that before where I knew a guy before he went to prison, and then I knew him after prison, and he was just a completely different person and fucking very dangerous to spar with. Like, very dangerous. Like, he would try to kill you. We would have wars. Like, they weren't really sparring matches. They were fights.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9107.222

This guy, I think, was both. I think he was on gear and I think he was doing coke. Because I know he was selling coke. I know he was getting coke for girls and stuff like that. He wound up dying. But here's where it gets really crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9123.031

while I knew this guy, like while he was training at the same gym as me, he got arrested and questioned in this murder where this guy who was an informant, I think he was an informant, they found him where he had been repeatedly injected with cocaine to keep him alive while they were breaking his bones.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9145.12

So from him blacking out from the pain, they were injecting him with cocaine to keep him awake and conscious while they were breaking his bones with a hammer. I think they cut his hands and his head off too. And he got somehow or another, he got implicated or at least questioned about that. I was like, yo.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9170.088

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9175.171

You're like, keep it down. Jesus Christ. Can't you guys insulate your torture house? It's fucking up the rest of the neighborhood. Yeah, I mean, what the fuck, dude?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9191.809

You might be able to do it if someone did something to your loved ones. I think you'd be surprised what a mother would do if she caught some person doing something to one of her children.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

92.087

And then all of a sudden... The world spoke. Did you see the map of the actual country? Like how many places actually voted red?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9203.524

Oh yeah. But I mean even mothers who you wouldn't even think of as being violent.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9211.053

It's inside of you. And there's a choice, too, but it's inside of you. It's like we have instincts to protect our kids, you know, and you could get crazy violent. Yeah. And normal, regular people can get crazy violent to protect their children.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9228.976

killing their own children yeah there's always been that man there's always been evil people but it's just crazy you know people have children yeah man there's people that poison their kids there's this there's evil people out there and in every you know stretch of the world you're going to get a certain percentage of our population that just doesn't come out right you know and that's normal it's like everything there's always a percentage that's just not right yeah

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9251.395

Well, whatever the struggle that the human race is involved in is if you wanted to break it down and just philosophically, it's essentially a struggle between good and evil. Always. It's always a struggle between good and evil.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9265.067

And you're always going to have a certain amount of evil that you have to overcome. And I think that amount of evil that you overcome should be small, but I think it enforces this idea to do good. And the good conquers evil if everybody works together cooperatively. But you need something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9282.278

If you don't have resistance, it feels like people, the way we're designed to constantly try to innovate and make better things and improve upon society, improve upon our own lives, we're always like trying for progress, right? I think that's all sort of tied in to competition. And competition needs a foe. You need an antagonist and a protagonist. You need resistance.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9305.828

And I think the unfortunate thing is that there is evil in the world. The fortunate thing is that evil makes you appreciate love, and it motivates people to stop evil, and it motivates people to limit evil. You know, like the calls for law and order in this country, like during the riots, remember? when everybody was like, we need law and order. We need law and order.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9324.316

You can't have just people breaking into things and stealing everything in law and order. That kind of stuff. That's good versus evil. It's evil to just smash windows and steal things in the name of some guy that you don't know who died unjustly. That's crazy. You're just using this as an opportunity to say, fuck everyone.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9343.161

You can't have people just running around saying, fuck everyone and lighting things on fire. You can't have that. You can't have that. So, when you encounter these different things, it makes you appreciate not having those things, so it motivates you. One of the things that got people excited about Trump being in office is that he wanted to get away from all this defund the police shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9366.148

He wanted to get the country back to law and order. He wants us to increase manufacturing, increase ... All the things that make people feel good about the future.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9376.992

Yeah, and they didn't feel that way about the message that they were hearing from the other side. They felt like it was going to be more of the same shit, and more of the same shit doesn't get anything done. We still keep getting involved in these wars that we don't want to be involved in.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9430.096

Trump thinks he can fix these overseas conflicts. I don't know if he can. But the point is like something has to be done. We can't just keep throwing money at war and ignoring ourselves. That seems crazy. And if you're saying we're not ignoring ourselves, well, we're not spending the money and the resources that we need to fix all the problems that we have.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9465.296

Is it really? Yeah. That's crazy. That makes sense.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9472.699

Well, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9476.58

There's definitely, I mean, if you talk to Brigham Bueller from Wastewell, he'll explain to you. Yeah, I just went there the other day. He's the man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9483.482

Nice. I've been trying to get well while I'm here. Try to get well.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9487.524

What were we just talking about? Medical debt yeah, he'll explain it real well. It's like it's a you know It's kind of a fucked-up system But it just makes sense that that would be the number one reason why people would go bankrupt because you're out of work because you got a medical issue Then you have medical bills if you don't have insurance. You're really fucked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9518.168

There's that. I don't know. There's definitely a lot of influence with a lot of money.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9524.356

And also companies that we need. Pfizer makes good stuff. I mean, these companies make really beneficial drugs too. Yeah. But it's just the problem with all these fucking people is- They just want to make more money constantly. And if they can get you taking more pills than you need, they will. That's how they sell. They want to sell pills. They can come up with a reason. Are you anxious?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9544.576

I am a little. Hey, here you go. And next thing you know, you're dependent.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9560.666

We can't let them advertise. That's true. People are still going to buy the drugs, but the advertising thing is crazy because it affects the media, too. It affects what people are allowed to investigate. It affects what the...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9572.137

Because the news is not going to give you everything. They're going to conveniently ignore things that would affect their partnerships. Yeah. Yeah, it's all advertising. Yeah. What did we say it was again? The amount of billions of dollars they spend every year on advertising pharmaceutical drug companies?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9596.539

I usually try to stay out of it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9598.32

But I felt like I was getting urged to by Dana and there's quite a few people. I didn't think it makes a difference. I kind of already stated what I thought about the way things were going and that some radical change need to take place.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

960.75

We know where it all happened from, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9613.712

In my opinion. I just I'm not buying like, you know, when we're talking about before with the way the country feels like the way the country felt when Biden was in office was shaky and Because regardless of what you thought about his policies, what you did in place, it was real clear something was wrong with him. And they were lying to us. Oh, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9634.672

So that alone makes the whole country feel uneasy, right? Even if you think that the administration is moving certain policies and certain things are moving in the right direction, the economy is moving in the right general direction, even if you agree to those things, when you have a guy that's at the front that's obviously – in some way compromised. There's something going on.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

965.894

Do you know how he made the transition to being worried about pharmaceutical drugs? He would give these speeches and he litigated a bunch of lawsuits against corporations that were polluting rivers. They cleaned up the East River. He was an environmental attorney. And they were also talking about the effects of mercury poisoning in the soil and water.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2226 - Theo Von

9656.529

Something going on that they don't want to admit. And everybody knows it. And he drifts off and he says things that don't make sense. And something's wrong. So everybody feels uncomfortable, even if everything's going well, right? Because for good or for bad, that person that's in that office kind of sets a tone for the country. And the tone for the last four years was confusion.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9680.765

So regardless of their policies, the tone that's being established whenever he talks or whenever she does interviews or she talks is a confusing talk. There's word salad and then there's like these moments where it seems like she doesn't know how to wrap up a sentence, which can just be nerves. It could just be nerves talking in front of large groups of people. It doesn't mean she's not brilliant.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9702.041

It really doesn't.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9704.943

But some people clam up when they have to do those things. But then there's the argument that's the job, though. You have to be able to do that because you're going to have to be able to talk to Putin and presidents of these different countries and leaders throughout the world. You've got to be able to handle pressure. So that's kind of part of it, too.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9723.066

Kind of part of it, too, is you've got to be able to handle pressure. But the thing that people worry about Trump is that he's so antagonistic and that then that's the tone of the country. And the tone of the country is not like the tone of the Obama administration I always felt was the best because he was measured, never attacked anybody. He was very articulate and smooth. Yeah, he was smooth.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9743.836

There was not a lot of ums and ahs. Like some people, Trump throws too many extra words in, but it's just his flavor. His flavor is he rambles. He goes all over the place. Like I joke, look at this hair. What is wrong with my hair? He makes fun. He's like doing standup up there. Obama was the smoothest. And Clinton was pretty fucking smooth, too. Maybe Clinton and Obama. Those are the goats.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9764.869

So when you get a person, for good or for bad, that's smooth and talks like a professional, like an actual president, it makes everybody like, whew. He's got this. This guy's a real professional president. Like, look at him. With Trump, you're like, I hate Taylor Swift. Like, no! Don't do that! Don't say that! Yeah, you pressed the wrong button today, buddy.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9786.607

He tweeted out that that lady that he allegedly slept with was, he called her a horse face. Why was the president...

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#2226 - Theo Von

9797.97

It's fucking unreal. But for a lot of super sensitive people and progressive people, that's why they want to believe that he's Hitler. They look at these things and then they don't look at it as a flavor in the soup. Like, look, it's all pepper. No, it's not all pepper. Pepper's a part of it. Yeah, he probably shouldn't tweet, I hate Taylor Swift, but whatever.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9818.215

What's important is what is he going to do in terms of fix all these problems that everybody agrees are real problems? And can he do it? And can he keep all these people in his staff, RFK Jr.? I don't know. I don't know if he can do it. But if he can, at least we have hope.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9832.564

If RFK really does the things that we think he wants to do and starts to kind of clean up some of the corruption in the system, it'd be exciting. It'd be good for people. If we stop putting ingredients in foods that are illegal in Canada because they're dangerous, how about we stop doing that here? Yeah. Seems like a logical thing. It's not like Froot Loops in Canada sell that less.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9850.477

It's probably equal sales.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9863.221

Well, you saw the whole thing where they were trying to buy immunity.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9866.446

They were trying to buy immunity. They were going to have a settlement where they would give X amount of billions of dollars, but then they were immune to prosecution.

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#2226 - Theo Von

987.623

And these women kept coming to these things that he was doing and saying, you need to investigate mercury in vaccines. And, you know, he thought, like, that is, like, which most people think. You hear vaccine, like, the last thing I want to be labeled is a vaccine skeptic. Jesus Christ. A vaccine denier.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9873.516

But I think what happened was they put a pause on that after the Netflix documentary came out. Wow. And we talked about it once, but I don't know where it's at now. But that family, they made billions of dollars by getting people hooked on opiates.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9901.423

And do you know that that was the same family that was involved in Valium?

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#2226 - Theo Von

9906.266

Mother's Little Helper. That was Valium. That's what ladies in the fucking 60s were taking Valium.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9927.679

Wasn't someone in his family an addict?

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#2226 - Theo Von

9931.492

Right, right.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9933.734

Make sure that the Sackler family was involved in the Valium thing. I don't want to have to edit that out. As if I called them a piece of shit about one thing, but hey, we weren't a piece of shit about that other thing. I think they were, though.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9948.624

You know, because you don't know the family member. Yeah. Arthur Sackler, a member of the Sackler family, was a major figure in the promotion of Valium through direct marketing to physicians in the 1960s. Yeah, that is it. So same family. Yeah. Evil. Evil. It's literally evil. Just destroying lives.

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#2226 - Theo Von

9965.649

It's a drug dealer. It's one of the worst drug dealers because you're sneaking around with doctors. You're sneaking around under this guise of authority.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1005.625

This music is killing it. This new shit is killing it. I wish he didn't sell swastika t-shirts on his website, but he does that to fuck with people. He does that to fuck with people. Yeah, he loves it. That's part of the fun of being Kanye.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1021.37

Yeah, it's part of the fun of being Kanye. He's getting people to talk about him. He puts an ad on the Super Bowl, and you go to the website, and he's selling swastika t-shirts. Like, what the fuck?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

103.249

Yeah. Yeah. So how did you come up with hashtag C-T-E-S-P-N? Because that's my favorite.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1032.255

It's so crazy, but the music is undeniable over and over and over again. It's undeniable. Every album. He doesn't have one dud. They're all bangers. They're all bangers. All fire. And the new one, after all the shit he's been through, the new one is a banger. We play that shit in the green room all the time. Yeah, he's all gas. It's a banger.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1052.594

All gas, no brakes. But 8 a.m.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1067.802

Yeah, the rap is just one extension of his creativity. Yeah, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. I just wish he would stop selling swastika t-shirts.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1089.358

Well, you know what I think? I think Kanye feels attacked. And when he feels attacked, he fires back. And then you develop this antagonistic relationship with the media, with some of your fans, with all the people that are upset at you. He feels like cornered and attacked and not appreciated. And then he fires at people and starts saying wild shit and then puts masks on.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1119.758

He's a brilliant fucking guy.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1122.24

When he came to do the podcast, unfortunately, at the time, Jamie caught COVID, like the early, early days, and Jamie couldn't be here. So we wound up doing it in my studio. But what he wanted to do was build a studio that looked like a womb.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1146.112

Yeah, he sent me sketches and shit of what he's working on.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1160.182

That's funny. I mean, that's how you become a guy that's that successful in so many different areas.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1176.013

Yeah, I feel like that kind of brain, though, is like a Ferrari engine. Like, you've got to know how to handle that. You've got to know how to handle that thing or you're going to go into the woods. You're going to spin off the road and hit a fucking tree. And that's the problem with a guy like Kanye. It's just like his brain has more horsepower than the average brain.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1196.76

And, you know, he's on a road where everybody else is going 35 miles an hour. And he's like, get the fuck out of my way.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1204.542

you know because he's got that ferrari engine but that engine you will spin out you the tires won't hold you will take a corner too fast yeah you'll go sideways and it's the crash out bucket right here yeah what's with the helmet why'd you why'd you why'd you choose the helmet

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1251.644

I just can't believe people say it. And it's true.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1256.222

The Democrats are now the Republicans. Yes. Wow. They're the ones trying to control speech.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1264.091

They didn't clap for the little kid. They didn't clap for the lady who got fucked up by that volleyball player that was a dude. Yeah, they didn't clap for Lake and Riley who got murdered by the illegal immigrants. It's crazy. It's just we're so divided. I know. You can't clap for a little kid who survived cancer. What the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah, where your heart at?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1282.043

He's on their side, so you can't clap for this little kid? Yeah, you gotta clap. Like, you're upset? This little kid's watching you not clap at him. Yeah, it's crazy. That's crazy. That's a little child. Yeah, hurting his heart. A child with cancer, and you can't put your shit aside. Give him my love. To give that kid some love? That's crazy. We have to stop the division in this country.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1303.031

And I feel like people are digging in their trenches. They're digging in deeper and deeper. And really, we should be encouraging the opposite. Most of what people are arguing about all day long in politics is not affecting your life. It's bullshit. It's all bullshit. It's bullshit.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1319.74

And you can get caught up in it and it can become your whole life and you will waste your life thinking about that stuff instead of thinking about stuff that you actually have control over. Exactly. Your family, your friends. Stuff that's important. Your life. Yeah. Stuff that's actually important, which is what you should be thinking about most of the time. Yachty.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1337.717

But some people, they think about that and then think, yeah, what are these motherfuckers doing behind the scenes? They're stealing my fucking taxes, doing this and bringing in the illegals. And what are they doing with the trans kids?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1349.107

Yeah, it's non-stop, man.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1362.539

Or would you take it on the DL back then, like a little lighter?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1377.015

Yeah, some of the shit you write is wild. Yeah, you get wild, but it's funny. Yeah, that's like that's what I go to Twitter for. I want to be mad.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1393.448

So when you did the awards, yes, like who put that together?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1402.015

And everybody loved it.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1408.32

You had a lot of numbers on X, man. Like a lot of people watched that. What was the final numbers on that?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1418.17

That's so crazy. But it's fun. It's fun.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1442.453

I'll support.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1448.877

I feel like you could do it every quarter. You could do it once a quarter. Every three months, yeah. Why not? Get some sponsors. Let's go. Because that's a legitimate show. Fuck all these other award shows. I didn't watch the Oscars. There's so much politics. It's not even fun. I know. They're talking about politics and Ukraine and this and Gaza and Palestine. You're making movies.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1470.492

Just make your fucking movies. Just go right to the theaters and keep it going. This is what we did. We worked real hard. Thank you, everybody, for all your hard work. Yay, we won. That's it. That's it. That's all I want to hear from you. That's all I want to hear. I'm not interested in someone who lies for a living because that's what they do. They pretend to be somebody else for a living.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1487.692

Tell me how I should view the world. I like to go to other people for that, please. Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, you fucking people are just actors. Just because you're famous doesn't mean what you have to say is important. Exactly. Especially at a fucking award show. Imagine taking your time and you're going to use that award show to denounce politics and proclaim your platform.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

149.266

The reality of head trauma is something that we're, as a society, we're just embracing over the last 10, 20 years. It wasn't for that concussion movie. I think that opened up a lot of people's eyes, that Will Smith movie. Yes. And the story, that doctor, of him finding how many people have significant brain trauma from football.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1512.198

Just ruin shit. Boring. Super boring. Boring. Yours is fun. You could have a giant audience. You could have musical performers. You could have a real show.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1525.929

Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1529.351

Yes. And it's also like the fun thing about you doing something like that too is it lets other people know like, oh, I could cut loose too. Yeah, you could be a little open.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1542.541

Yeah. Maybe I can... Crack some good jokes and have some fun. Get humor to bring people together. Yes. Well, that's one cool thing that I am seeing from a lot of former athletes. They're starting podcasts.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1558.332

Yeah, it's a good way for guys to just sit around and shoot the shit. And be expressive. Look at Pat McAfee. I mean, he's fucking killing it. Yeah, he's killing it.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1567.895

Yeah, but that's like a great example of what's possible for a lot of former athletes.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1573.197

Especially fun guys like you.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1575.337

Have you thought about doing a podcast?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1603.729

Oh, believe me, I know. I talk too much. I talk four or five days a week sometimes.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1609.611

I like seeing you give your opinion.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1623.154

Well, I feel very fortunate that my job depends on me being real. Yeah. So, like, you don't have an option to not be real.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1638.917

I kind of always have been that way. I think that's my CTE. I love that. I got hit in the head a lot when I was young, man. I got hit in the head a lot. And I think all my years of sparring and fighting, I think rattled something loose. Rattled the give a fuck part loose. Where it's like, I don't care as much if other people are mad at me as some people do. I don't care as much.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1662.407

I mean, I don't like it. I don't like it if people are upset at me, but it doesn't ruin my life like it does with some people. I can just like, okay. Stay true to yourself. Yeah. Whatever. Also, I think I have...

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1674.622

enough real world perspective to know what's actually important in this life and it's not really necessarily other people's opinions especially the type of opinions of people that get upset all the time about everything they're not valuable opinions so even if they're making you out to be the worst person that's ever lived like according to them, but they're idiots.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1695.912

You have to be able to have perspective. If you feel a certain way and you don't tell people, if you think a certain way and you don't tell people, you're doing a disservice to you, you're doing a disservice to them. Nobody's benefiting from that. Nobody.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1723.064

Just keep going. Achieve more, right? Yeah, this thing called life gonna keep on rolling. Just ignore it. I mean, I'm my worst critic. So if I have a bad show, if I do something I don't like or wish I didn't do, I am upset at myself more than other people are gonna be anyway. Yeah, so I'm not interested in the opinions of people that are easily upset by almost anything.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1753.353

Well, Jamie and I have been talking about starting our own bullshit coin.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1757.295

You know what I mean? Not bullshit coin? I thought you were going to do a pull it up Jamie coin. No, no, no.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1765.358

No, what's butt coin?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1775.577

How many coins are there? How many meme coins? It's over? Yeah. What do you mean? The meme coin. It all fell apart. When? This week. This week? Yeah. Jamie. For real? Everything fell apart. Why did it fall apart?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1792.552

I hope we didn't ruin it by talking about it.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1796.956

I'm thinking about launching a meme coin.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1804.382

Because Portnoy was the only one that was looking at it going...

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1808.207

Like, is this legal?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1823.655

Is that yours?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1824.835

Okay, so you promise not to pump and dump?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1832.737

Oh, you can't pull the rug out?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1858.316

There was this one coin that Hamza Chamaya of the UFC fighter released. That was, they... They were claiming that he did a pump and dump. And it was like, you ripped off your fans. I'm like, man, you can't rip off your fans, obviously. But also, I don't know if the people that are buying those coins are fans. I think they're gamblers. I think those people are just gamblers.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1879.137

And they're just trying to figure out, okay, if I buy in now and, you know, they probably got like their finger over the sell button waiting for it to get to a certain number. And cash out. And cash out. It's like the casino at that point. Yeah, 100%. But it's more rigged than the casino because the casino, like the person playing it can't rig it. But this, the person playing it is rigging it.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1903.298

The person buying the coins can rig it. Especially if you get a famous guy like Hamzat or someone else to tweet about it and make it a big deal. And then the price goes up and then you just pick a peak number. And when it hits that number, you're like, that's it?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1924.817

But also... Who are these people, and why'd they think they were gonna make money on bullshit coins? Are we mad at the casino when someone blows all their money playing roulette? No. We're like, well, that's what you signed up for. Like, you could have won money. Like, people win money on roulette, or they don't. But if you lose all your money on roulette, we're not mad at the casino.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1947.97

So why are we mad when someone loses their money in meme coins? You know? It's like, what the fuck did you think was going to happen?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1955.517

You're literally buying a coin that's like a little doggy face. And you... You took your whole life savings and you gambled on a doggy face coin? That's what, a fake money coin? Explain that to me.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1972.727

That's dumbass of the day. Yeah, literally. And again, I feel terrible for anybody who got tricked into doing that shit, but I think most of those people are not getting tricked. They're like scamming.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1983.592

They're hustling. They're trying to figure out when to buy, when to sell.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1987.193

Yeah. But the weird thing is a guy like Portnoy,

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

1991.295

can tweet about a coin and then once he makes that post the coin goes up and then he sells and he makes a million dollars he's like is that okay like is that legal well it turns out it is legal yes that's totally legal to do yeah but like shouldn't there be some regulations because you can't do that with a lot of things if you did that with the stock market wouldn't you be in trouble if you did that with the stock market like if you tweeted about a stock

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2014.511

and then that stock went up, and then you sold right away. Like, you'd be like, I'm bullish on this stock, and then that stock goes up, and then you sell right away. Is that a pump and dump? It is, right? Yeah. It's not? Is that totally legal? It's legal.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2044.801

So that's the question. So it all starts out with some real money.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2055.45

How much does a coin, like?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2061.876

Jamie's funny. It's over. You know what that means? That means Jamie's stockpiling coins.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2067.341

Don't you feel it? He's trying to get it low and say he can get the ups. He's trying to bring down the price.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2076.868

You don't have to lie to us. We love you.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2087.096

He got in trouble for that. Because he has top secret clearance.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2092.463

We can't show that on YouTube anymore. YouTube is— YouTube is not liking the smoke right now. YouTube is taking some precautions. Protecting people from themselves. Make sure Bay smokes, man. 50 states is the cracker pack. So this stuff that you have is legal in 50 states? Yes, Bay smokes. I don't even want to ask how. I just trust you.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2109.032

How is it legal in 50 states? I'm going to ask how. How?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2127.52

I don't know how the DEA feels about that, but I feel like we're just a few years away from it being completely legal. I know Kamala was saying that she wanted to make it legal if she got into office. Yeah, that's the best thing she ever said. You want some coffee? I hope Trump does it too. Yeah, that'd be cool. I really do, because it's stupid. Thank you, brother.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2145.587

I mean, if you don't want to smoke pot, don't smoke pot. If you don't want to drink whiskey, don't drink whiskey. It's your choice. Yeah, just give people choice. And don't tell me it's all bad for you. Stop. You don't know. You don't know. You obviously don't smoke weed. Shut your mouth. You dig? Yeah. It's going to make you lazy and ruin the children. No. No, you have lazy kids.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2167.015

You get kids high, they get paranoid. When they get paranoid, they work hard. They're like, oh, I got to get my shit together. Yeah, you start picturing yourself old in your deathbed. Like, what did I do? Like, oh, my God, I got to get to work.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2177.932

Sometimes a little paranoia is good for you. I like it.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

218.372

You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, there's a real cost, the craziness. Yes. And we're ignoring it as a society because we love football, we love MMA, we love boxing.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2183.635

Yeah, comfort is the worst poison that a man can consume. Don't seek comfort. No, no, no, no, no.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2190.719

Yeah, you can enjoy comfort when you earn it. You know, long day's work, you want to come home, sit in front of the television, watch a little Netflix, have a good time, have a nice meal at a restaurant. Yeah, yeah, you earn that. But don't think that's what you want out of life. I just want to retire and drink. Jordan Peterson talked about this. He said, what's your vision of retirement?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2212.949

He's like, is your vision of retirement sitting on the beach drinking margaritas? Like, how long do you think you can do that for?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2219.692

Yeah. Two days, a week, two weeks. And then you're going to be depressed. You have no purpose in life.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2227.642

I think the problem really is that a lot of people don't have any purpose while they're working. Like, a lot of people aren't fortunate to pursue a career in football and to be, you know... a podcaster or something they enjoy. They're doing something that sucks, so they can't wait until they don't have to do the thing that sucks.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2244.405

And they think, oh, I could just be free just to lay around and do nothing. Man, you better find something to do. You better go play golf.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2259.008

Exactly. That's what I tell all my friends that start getting successful. People are like, oh, you made it. You can relax now. I go, listen to me. There is no made it.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2268.19

made it when you're done there's no there's no made it made it is not real it is just life exactly you live in life you're successful good that means you have an obligation to work harder to keep it rolling hold up that's standard you gotta stand it to it you gotta keep going you gotta push it harder now but there's no made it there's no fucking no holding hands and walking out into the sunset that's just a mentality for people and that contentment just

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

229.673

you know so we just kind of like overlook it with the entertainment keep moving keep hitting I'm friends with a lot of dudes so I get to see what they're like after fights you know like everybody watches the fight the fight's amazing and then you know you run into them after fights and have a conversation with them like oh man their whole head's swollen can't move their hands you know can't walk calves are blown out knees fucked up ice here this there the challenge

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2296.48

Yes. They want to get off work. That's what it is. They want to get off work and relax.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2302.943

Yeah, because most people are not really living. They're just surviving. They're just existing. Doing what they have to do. And the only time they feel like they're living is they're hanging out with their friends, having fun, relax. But you can't do that professionally. So you got to find something you enjoy as much as your hobbies. Figure out how to do that.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yeah. You know what I mean? Yes. When you first started posting wild shit on Twitter, did anybody ever call you and go, hey, man, you got to stop?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Well, cracker is the most benign of all insults. That doesn't work at all.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yeah, no one's upset.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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No one's upset.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Enjoy yourself, man. Enjoy yourself. Yeah. We need a lot more of that. But I think, you know, we were conditioned because of the way the old Twitter worked to be very careful of what you said, very cautious of what you said. And also there was real consequences. Yeah.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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You wouldn't just get banned from Twitter. You might get banned from Facebook and everything else as well and then get labeled a dangerous person.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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And did they attack him?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Really?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2448.121

They got rid of him because of a tweet?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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God damn.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yeah, that was a dangerous time to say controversial shit. You'd lose your whole career, and you couldn't get it back.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2470.517

You couldn't get it back back then. No, you wouldn't get it back. Nobody rebounded from those days. There was people that had big public personas, and then they kind of got removed from the conversation. And even when they got brought back years later, they were so devastated.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Like legit. Trauma. Like you're legitimately worried. So what does he say? Mendenhall's post day after Bin Laden news broke said, what kind of person celebrates death? It's amazing how people can hate a man they have never heard speak. We only heard one side. He also tweeted September 11 attacks. We never know what really happened.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style. The latter post is eventually removed by Mendenhall's Twitter page. Wendy's offering was a different story. I appreciate those who've decided to read this letter and attain a greater understanding of my recent Twitter post. See, I've gotten misconstrued.

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I wanted to use this outlet as a way to clear up things that do not truthfully represent myself, what I stand for personally, and any organization that I'm a part of. First, I want people to understand I'm not in support of bin Laden or against the USA. I understand how devastating 9-11 was to this country.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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and to the people whose families were affected, not just in the USA, but families all over the world who had relatives in the World Trade Center. My heart goes out to the troops who fight for our freedoms every day, not being certain if they will have the opportunity to return home, and the families who watched their loved ones bravely go off to war.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Last year, I was grateful enough to have the opportunity to travel overseas, to participate in football camp and put on for the children of U.S. troops sanctioned in Germany. It was a special experience. These events had a significant impact in my life. Oh, point out the celebrates death tweet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2572.601

This controversial statement was something I said in response to the amount of joy I saw in the event of a murder. I don't believe this is an issue of politics or American pride, but one of religion, morality, and human ethics. See, that's the problem with tweets, because you're writing something that's 120 characters back then, and it's just...

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

258.471

It's a challenge, man. It's a real challenge. And when you started playing football, nobody even thought about it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2593.853

you know a complicated issue like that thing like maybe we shouldn't be celebrating death maybe we shouldn't be celebrating murder you know you know maybe we should instead of like having joy and and cheering maybe we should wonder how that guy got into the position he's in in the first place like what happened if you know the whole history of osama bin laden it's kind of fucking crazy because he worked for us he was the head of the mujahideen yeah yeah and we trained them

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2621.556

The CIA trained them to fight against the Soviets. And, you know, we fucking armed those people, supplied them, got them going. And then, you know, after a while, they're like, fuck these people. They turned on America. And instead of being our ally, they were our worst enemy. What are you doing over there, Snapchat?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2638.787

No, I was just touching myself. You don't Snapchat, do you?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2641.669

No, the kids Snapchat. My kids don't even text. They just snap their friends. They're in the middle of the movie theater or something. They take a weird face, send it to their friends. I'm like, what are you doing? This is a weird way to communicate.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2654.622

snapchat just got all the filters of the face you could just make a cradle with the text kids are just all in addicted to snapchat you know another thing that's weird too is they all have a snap map so they know where they all are they're like oh she's with him that fucking bitch you know like you see you see where all your friends are like you got a map of all your friends that you let follow yeah it's weird man they're all little surveillance experts standing on the map

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2682.219

Yeah, they're all little narcs. They're all narcing at each other. But the crazy thing is they give it up to each other. They all, like, you have to, if you have friends, you have to let your friends know where you are on the snap map.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

269.983

Well, back then, nobody even really knew that that was going to happen to football players. It was kind of a thing that they thought about with boxers. Rarely people talked about football players who aren't doing so good.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2706.631

Yeah. Man, kids today, they don't have any fucking privacy. No, no, everything is supposed to. Everything's exposed.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2714.94

What year were you born? 88, 1988. Okay, so by the time you were 20 years old, phones were just starting to arrive, right? Like 98-ish. Almost popping, yeah. Sidekick. Right. Flip phones. Sidekicks. Remember the sidekick? Yeah, flip it over. I was so jealous. Like, wow, you got a keyboard?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2736.079

And then people's sidekicks were getting hacked. Remember Paris Hilton? Some pussy photos got out, I believe. She had designer vagina. Maybe she just had a pretty one. Some girls are just born with a pretty one. Crazy. But some girls do get designer vaginas, which is like, ladies, you don't have to do that. Don't do that. We don't care what it looks like. I don't mind a little chaos down there.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

2761.6

Yeah, you don't have to.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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You don't have to trim it up, make it look like the perfect wonton. That's not necessary.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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I don't know if that's true. There's a lot of hairy ladies with loose morals.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2782.156

She might just let it work because nobody's getting it. Maybe. Maybe.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2789.178

I guess dudes do get dick operations, right? Because they get circumcised. That's a dick look operation.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2798.234

Well, that's always the story is that 80% of the women are dating 20% of the men. That's the real story of life. That's the reality. 80% of the women are attracted to and are dating 20% of the men. Always. So that's why there's so many incels in this world. Too many ratios. So many dudes just jerking off and playing video games because nobody wants them.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2821.954

And that's a self-fulfilling prophecy because if you keep jerking off and playing video games, you're never going to succeed in life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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So no one's ever going to look at you like, hmm.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2831.162

Yeah, exactly. I'm glad I'm not bored in this era. It was a terrifying era to navigate for kids. Also, the ability to just send a dick picture when you're 15, that's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2846.781

Yeah, that's too much responsibility for a young man. That's like giving a young man a nuclear weapon. He can't handle that.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2860.655

That's way too much. That's way too much. And then they all got porn now, which is even crazier.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2869.263

Yeah, instantaneously. Not just porn, but murder. Man, me and my friend Tom Segura. Do you know Tom Segura? I heard of the name. He's hilarious. You need to do his show. He would have you on. Your mom's house. It's a great podcast. A huge podcast. But he and I send each other every day the worst shit we could find on the Internet.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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The worst shit that comes across my Instagram feed, I send it to Tom. It's every day. It's someone getting murdered.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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It's always some shit like, wow. And it's not one time a day. It's all day, right? It's like multiple times a day we're traumatizing each other. It's like, what the hell is this? Today was a dude who crashed his motorcycle right into a gas truck. This dude just rode his motorcycle. The bike explodes, catches on fire. The tank explodes. The dude gets cooked. Damn. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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One day he's riding his motorcycle enjoying freedom. And then a second later, boom. I've seen every horrible video that's on the internet. Every one of them. That's crazy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yes. It's open. That's the beautiful thing. You get these memes. I don't even know who's making them, and they're hilarious. Someone's texting them to you.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yeah, that's the hardest thing, right? For pro athletes, you go from being a kid to all of a sudden you are making millions of dollars and you're young and you're wild and you're not thinking it's going to go away and then all your friends are buying jewelry and all your friends are buying Mercedes-Benz and Bentleys and all this shit and you're like, fuck.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2964.215

Yeah, Elon Musk has how many kids now that we know of?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

2973.699

I wouldn't say he's calm. I mean, I think it's going back to like the Kanye Ferrari engine analogy. It's the same kind of thing. It's just in a different realm. That's what he is with like rocket science and car design and satellites.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Exactly. Also, like when you are literally the richest man in the world.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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His DMs must be.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Everything. Everything.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

3028.244

Yo, Sean. What's up, Sean? What's going on, my man? How you doing? He loves you. All right, man. Well, cool. That sounds great. I love him, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3062.023

Listen, Joe Rogan is the best. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you, man. Thank you very much. Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yeah, and just the way he talks. Yeah, he's funny. He's so ridiculous.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3092.416

Theo and I went to dinner the other night, and we're sitting at the table eating dinner for an hour and a half. We're just nonstop crying, laughing, just crying, laughing. At the end, my sides hurt when we got out from the table. I was like, oh, my God, that was so much fun. Having friends like that is the best because everywhere you go, you have a personal show.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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How did you decide to start doing this? First of all, were you always this funny?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yeah, we're just always fucking around and having fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3118.264

He's the best, right? He's the best.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3120.345

Yeah, we were just hanging out Tuesday night. Yeah, Shane's awesome. He loves you, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yeah, all my comedian friends love you. They're all sharing your shit all the time.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yeah, he was excited when he got Cracker of the Year, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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He is. He's killing it. He's so funny, man. And he's such a good guy.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Prayer heart guy. Just sweetheart of a guy. And, you know, I'm just glad there's more people like that in the world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3158.427

Yeah, and spreading fun. Again, back to the same thing that you do. Fun. Yeah. Fun.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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And I think the number was something like 85% of NFL players go bankrupt within X amount of years after retirement.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yeah.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Well, especially in today's era of everybody... We're getting past the days where everything was tight and everybody was going crazy. And I think things are lightening up. And thanks to Elon buying X, that had a huge impact. Because I think people realized that it wasn't just them that was thinking things had gone too far. It was most people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3192.2

But they didn't have a way to express themselves because if they said it, they got attacked.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3203.021

Yeah, like we just showed. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You lose everything.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yeah, so you're sitting there, maybe you got a couple of drinks in you, and you're like, you know, I got to fucking say something. Someone needs to be there to grab your hand.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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But I think now if you do that, people go, yeah, I'm glad you said that because I was thinking the same thing. Like now it's different because people feel like they can express themselves, which is the real danger of censorship. Even if you don't agree with what someone is saying, you've got to let them say it because if you don't, someone's going to limit what you say.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

3247.423

We 100%. Look, you don't have to go to your Twitter page. You don't have to go to my Twitter page. You don't have to listen to this podcast. Yeah, it's your option. It's your option. But you should have that option. And you should have the option to express yourself. You should also have the option to say things. And if you think that it was misconstrued, do what he did and lay it all out.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

3267.356

This is how I really feel. This is my actual feelings. And I feel like if you read that, he should have been completely forgiven. The idea that they traded him after that. That's disgusting because that's also censorship because now you're encouraging other people to keep their mouth shut.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

3302.977

I think the country's moving in a good direction. As long as we can avoid this fucking war. As long as we can avoid war and war with China and war with Russia and everybody else. If we can just avoid that, I think we're going to be okay. We just got to make it through some weird shit. Yes. And UFOs.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3321.133

Yeah, man. They're everywhere. I don't know what to think. Some days I think we're being visited, and some days I think it's all the government. It's all bullshit.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

3340.119

The men in black, I think, are real. I think that's government agents that come visit you after you've had some sort of an experience. Maybe. I think that's what it is. I mean, there's always been these stories of men in black coming to visit people after they've had encounters. I mean, it makes sense.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

3355.392

If you're yapping about some shit, especially if it's actually some government shit that they're working on, and then some two men in suits come up, and when you see two men show up in a Cadillac in suits, you automatically assume they're serious people. They get out with black suits, black ties, and they look at you and they tell you, hey, Antonio, we'd like to talk to you about your encounter.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

3375.416

And then you're like, oh, shit, I'm in trouble. And then they're doing some hypnosis on you and some mind control shit, you know, and bringing you in a room. And then you leave. You don't know. What the fuck happened? What happened? Antonio got visited by the men in black. That's what I think the men in black is. I think it's government agents investigating.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

3394.795

Or if there's like a legitimate UFO sighting, like something legitimately that the government doesn't know what the fuck it is. I think then also they would send people who are authority figures. What better authority figure than a man in a suit?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

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You know?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Men in black. Wearing a suit. I don't think they really can erase your memory.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3418.2

But I do think that they probably use mind control on you. They probably hypnotize you. They probably manipulate the way you think. Especially if you're under stress. If you're nervous. Like you think you could be in trouble. Like something's going on. It gets you.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

3434.212

He did it to you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

345.792

Of course. Yeah, but that is another problem with getting wealthy is that you become vulnerable to scoundrels. Yeah, scavengers. And dirty hoes. Yeah, dirty hoes. Dirty money grabbing, like calculated hoes. Yeah. It's not just like, well, the relationship didn't work out. The lawyer told you you can get some money from them. Maybe you should go for it. Yeah, fine. Fuck him.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3455.12

Does Tom Brady use him, too?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3457.221

So he, like, does, like, mind coaching for you? Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3462.843

Yeah. So how does it, explain it to me. Like, lay it out. How does it go down?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3475.21

Mm-hmm.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3476.771

I read his book when I was 21 years old in 1988 I was amazing when I was trying to like figure out how to make it in comedy. I got a it was like a cassette thing like you have a bunch of cassettes and there's like each one has like workbooks that you're supposed to like fill out stuff and goals and all these different things and He's got, like, legit great information.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

3530.615

I think that shit works. I think there's limitations to it. I don't think you could take a sloppy accountant and say, you're going to beat Mike Tyson. You know what I'm saying?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3540.878

It doesn't work like that. It doesn't work like that. But I think if you're already talented and you're already in the game and you could put some things in your mind and you can make some things happen. I think there's a little bit of something to that. But it's not everything. Did you ever see that movie The Secret?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3561.826

Yeah. So The Secret, I think... It's about some of those things, right? It's about one aspect of it, but they concentrate too much on the one aspect. The one aspect is the visualization, which I think is an aspect of... Like imagining, speaking it into being, that's one aspect. But there's a lot of other shit too. There's talent. There's hard work. There's good coaching. There's discipline.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3588.296

Discipline is probably the most important.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3592.136

As a football player, you must have felt like that, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3597.342

Yes.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

3602.327

Not getting sleep.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3612.978

It's so important for everything in life. So to think that the secret is the only thing, you just have to think around and visualize it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3621.165

No, it's an aspect that I think is real. But the problem is people put so much emphasis on it that it becomes bullshit. It becomes like woo-woo. They don't think it's real. But it is an aspect. You know, Mike Tyson used to get hypnotized.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3655.555

Yeah, to deeply think about them and embed them in your consciousness.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3660.757

Yeah, and then do all the work that's required to get yourself to.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3664.639

Yeah, you got to do all that shit too so that it can manifest.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3673.962

Like you might not have done it right. You maybe need more work. You got to put it all together again. Maybe you need more discipline. Maybe you need more hard work. Maybe you need better coaching. But it's an aspect of success in life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

368.754

No, it's like from the jump. They're calculated.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3686.236

And I think with everything, with being a good parent, with being a good father, with being a good husband, with being a good friend, with being a good employee, a good boss, with everything. Everything you do. You have to have a mindset of what you're trying to accomplish.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

3702.605

A vision.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3705.987

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3710.87

How many times did you do that with Tony Robbins? I did it like three times.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

376.878

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3761.581

Well, for a player, the best revenge is to be undeniable.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3765.563

Right? People could talk all that shit, but when you're undeniable, they got to give it up to you.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3770.125

They got to give it up. That's the best revenge. Exactly. And I think that's probably the case in everything in life, is to be undeniable. If you're undeniable, everybody's got to shut the fuck up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3781.351

They all got to shut the fuck up. And if they don't shut the fuck up, they look foolish.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3785.774

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3798.208

They make you work harder. Yeah, they do.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3800.851

Oh, yeah, they do. Haters are good. Fat shaming works. Yeah. All that stuff. Like haters, like the anger, the jealousy, mean shit, like that motivates people.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3817.381

If you get a little bit of snake venom every day, you get immune to snake venom. Yeah. Yeah. But if you get a big dose, it'll fucking kill you. Yeah. Take you out the game. Yeah. Don't be like reading all your hate all day long. That's not good for you either. But a few haters lets you know you're on the right track. Yeah. Now you're transacting. Yeah, you want a few haters.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3838.301

If you don't have haters, it means you're not doing good enough to get haters. Everybody who's doing great gets haters. Some haters are hilarious, though. Some haters are so dumb. It's like you wonder if they're real people. Like, for fighters, it's my favorite. Like, oh, he's a pussy. Like, what are you talking about? That man is literally a professional fighter, and you're calling him a pussy?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

384.782

Did you ever have situations where you thought girls were trying to get over on you?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3860.087

That's one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3865.131

Yeah, they're bitches. Well, that's the thing about alpha males. They think they're the only one that's an alpha male. They don't think there's someone out there exactly like them. Like them, exactly. And maybe a little faster, maybe a little stronger. Maybe balls a little bigger. Yeah, maybe something.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3881.19

Yeah, maybe hands a little bigger, jaws a little wider. See that little edge. Little edge. Little edge that allows them to survive the firefight. Yeah. How much UFC do you watch?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3912.439

But never, like, really got serious with it?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3915.562

Might be a fun hobby for you. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3920.772

Jiu-jitsu is what I meant because that way you don't get hit. I stopped sparring when I was like 27. Yeah, a little hit to the head is over. It's just, they count. Hits to the head of the gym counts. They all count. All those little donks. All those little dinks. All those little, they all count. Bang. They all count. It all like, It's just going to add up.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3943.643

It all adds up to some weird brain shit where it doesn't quite work right. But this weekend's a big one, man. Pereira and Ankalayev.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3958.369

The last time he lost was against Israel Adesanya. That was four fights ago.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3967.492

Well, he took a lot of time off, but, you know, he lost to Imovov, who's very, very good. And he lost to Drekas Duplicy, who's the champion before that. But he was winning that fight, but he got caught and then he got strangled. You know, I mean, it's hard to stay on top, man. It's hard to stay on top. And when he was in his prime, when he was dominating the division, he was the fucking man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

3990.887

He was going crazy. It's not like he's lost his skills, man. It's just this is a tough fucking sport. Tough sport, huh? It's a tough fucking sport. And the sport does not rest. The sport keeps evolving. Everybody's coming. These guys coming up, every year they're better. Everybody's coming. Every year they're more complete. There's no, like, one-dimensional fighters anymore.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

4.111

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day what's going on man good to see you baby papa look at that ring yeah holy shit pleasure to meet you the most fun follow on twitter by far excuse me x thank you whatever they want to call it you're the most fun

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4011.017

They can all do everything. All these guys could just freaking bang out. They could do everything. The best guys today are all super multifaceted. They all can do everything. But then you have guys like Pereira, who's really a specialist. He's a kickboxing specialist. Yeah, he's fire. Do you ever watch him kickbox?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

403.61

Yeah. It's called hypergamy. It's like a natural state that women... Stay in, right? Well, they look for... If you're doing okay, but then all of a sudden she starts working for a billionaire and he gets divorced and he's real friendly to her, next thing you know, she starts picturing that closet. Seeing the op, right?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4031.463

I was a giant fan of his before he ever got to the UFC. I was telling everybody about him. Like, if this guy gets to MMA, we got fucking problems. You got problems. That guy, he just has to touch you once.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4042.63

He's so different than anybody else in the division. Like, he knocks everybody out. Everybody hits hard. They all hit hard.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4049.515

But that fucking dude hits hard, hard.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4052.436

hard hard you know they have that punch machine oh yeah you can see the power what's his power 190 Francis Ngannou had like 130 oh yeah he got punch power he's got more power than Ngannou that's crazy I mean I can't even believe I want to give Francis a second chance at it I feel like he wasn't swinging hard enough I feel like if he knows that Pereira got 190 he's so much bigger I mean Francis is like 270 natural

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4081.568

270 pounds, natural.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4084.451

Yeah, just giant. Massive. And I feel like he could probably punch harder than he did. I feel like if he knew that Pereira was going to break that record, give him a second crack at it.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4096.844

Yeah, a lot more. Yeah, just fucking... You know, but right now I think... Pereira has the heart. See if you can find that video. It's crazy to watch. He even does it with his right hand, which is not his power punch. His power punch is his left hook. His left hook is what he knocks out everybody with.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

41.707

But, like, your social media presence, like, I forget. I think Tony Hinchcliffe told me about you. He's like, dude, you have to follow Antonio Brown. You must follow. He's the most must-follow on the internet. I'm like, really? And then I go to your page, and I'm fucking dying laughing. We're sharing it around the green room with the comedy star. Like, ah!

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4115.282

But it might be that his left hook is faster and it's a better weapon because it's in the front, and his right hand is more powerful, but he just doesn't land it as often that way. Did you find it? It's crazy. You hear the thud? Put your headphones on real quick. Listen to this. Oh, you didn't get it yet? Okay. You got it? Okay, here we go. Put them on. What do you mean? X.com full video? Retry?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4153.629

Oh, it disappeared? Here it is. That's not it? Oh. The video's got to be on there.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4200.283

191. 191 with a punch. It's insane. His power is just from God. It's a crazy gift. It's different than everybody's power.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

421.797

She starts picturing that closet, seeing all those shoes and purses and all that jewelry.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4222.579

Well, he beat Adesanya in the first fight. Adesanya knocked him out in the second fight in the UFC. And then he came back and beat him, right? No, they didn't fight again. The third one. They never fought a third time. They fought before in kickboxing. They fought twice before that in kickboxing. One time, Israel lost a decision that I think he should have won.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4241.326

The second time, Pereira knocked him out. And then the third time, Pereira knocked him out in the UFC. And then the fourth time, Izzy knocked him out. Yeah, that's when he did the fell with his son, right?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4253.353

Yeah, he went crazy. He went crazy. Yeah, that was awesome. But that's a big fight this weekend. I'm pumped. Uncle Ive is good, man. That guy's really good. He's the number one contender. How excited you get on fight night? Very excited. Have you ever been to one live?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4276.334

I'll get you tickets. I'm coming to Vegas this weekend. Let's go. I got you hooked up. I got you hooked up. That's it. Thanks, Joe, baby. Let's go. I'll take care of it. I'll text the UFC as soon as we get out of here. Yeah, you'll love it. You'll love it. Live is like nothing else, man. Especially in Vegas.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

429.84

He's actually nicer to me than my boyfriend. And then they start justifying it. Next thing you know, old Jezebel there.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4291.269

another level oh yeah and this is like the vegas ones are always huge and this is a big one t-mobile sold out you know world title fight main event light heavyweight title i mean and the undercards banging the undercards filled with fights like killer fights in the undercard there's like six or seven fights and i'm like side of seat all right oh yeah man yeah Let's go.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4315.623

Yeah, Fight Night in Vegas is amazing. And then they have Slap Fight. Talk about C-T-E-S-P-N. Slap Fight is on Friday night. That should be on CD at the end. You should cover Slap Fighters.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4334.414

Smackdown. Dudes are getting just knocked into another dimension with a slap.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4344.724

I just don't understand why people are signing up for that. Because the thing about fighting is you're trying to not get hit. Like if the punches are coming, you're trying to turn away. You're trying to move. You're getting your head off center line. If you're slapping, you're 100% going to get hit. You just have to sit there and take it. Yeah, you got to eat that. Oh, no.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4369.206

And every time, full blast, every time you're standing still.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4375.58

Yeah. That's hilarious. It's so crazy. Dana White keeps trying to get me to come see it. I'm like, okay, I'll go. I'll go to one of these.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

438.243

It's hypergamy, yeah. It's a natural state that some women, I mean, obviously there's great women out there with character and morals, and they don't do that, but it's a natural thing that women do. They try to find a better suitor.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4391.705

Just get a smack. Slap knockout. I'm surprised pro football players haven't signed up for that. Some dudes just want to do something. Wild fellas that want to do something.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4410.438

You flip a coin to see who gets to slap who first?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4414.139

Because that's the thing. Somebody has to hit you first. That's a huge disadvantage.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4422.597

I mean, I don't even know how it works. Like, can you get really rocked and then they'll let you get slapped again? Like, if you get super rocked, like your legs give out. Now you're done. Are you done? If you go down, are you done?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4438.245

Aren't you supposed to hold something in your hand? I have 30 seconds. You have 30 seconds to shake back? That's a long time to recover. 30 seconds is a long time to recover. Yeah, that's a little, yeah. Oh, if you fall?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4452.037

Oh, so if you get knocked down, it's over? Yeah, you smacked out. What's next? Like, when are we going to have gladiator fights? Well, they already do that in other countries. People put on armor and fight with swords and shit. Kill each other? They don't kill each other, but they beat the fuck out of each other with swords and shields and shit.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4467.388

One dude was beating this dude in the head with a shield. I was like, what? What are we doing? 60 seconds to repair. You get a minute to recover, like a timeout. See, that's the good thing about MMA is that you don't get chances to recover. So you don't get to get knocked out again. Because a lot of these times guys get dropped, and then they get a standing eight count.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4485.605

Like in boxing, that's particularly dangerous. You get a standing eight count, they clean off your gloves. Are you okay? You're like, yeah, come forward. And then you're slowly getting your shit back together. But you're not back yet. You're still... You're just fighting to get back. You're still out of it. You're still out of it. Still walking.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4499.676

And you're still, like, you don't know exactly what's going on.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4505.14

And then more parts, just boom, boom. That kitchen sink hit you. Whereas in MMA, the fight would have already been stopped.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4513.884

But then the other side of it is in boxing, guys go down, flash knockdown, get back up, they're okay. Yeah. They brush their gloves off, and then they go back to fighting, and they're all right. You know?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

452.614

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you talk about CTE, when did you first start noticing the effects of football?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4525.525

Do you watch boxing at all? I love boxing. Did you see the Gervonta Davis-Lamont Roach fight?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4533.069

Well, I thought it was a good fight.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4542.795

Also, here's the deal. If you take a knee, that's a knockdown. That's a knockdown.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4546.737

You got hit with a jab. Yeah. You took a knee. And then you walked off. Exactly. That is a knockdown. So I think they're reviewing that right now.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4557.062

Well, I feel like if they do review it and they do judge it as a knockdown, which it was clearly a knockdown to everybody. You take a knee, that's a knockdown. I think they will probably give it to Lamont.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4573.375

Okay. The promoter may but is not obligated to incorporate the following rule for any event for any specific category matches such as title matches. A participant was the first defender in round one and did not elect such position. And B, there is a KO or TKO finish of such participant in round one. Then after the referee declares a finish, a clock of two minutes begins.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4596.179

During this time, the defender is given two minutes to recover and be examined by the supervising physician.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4601.926

If the supervising physician in consultation with the referee determines that the defender has established their fitness to continue and is without medical health risk for purposes of delivering one strike to the opposing participant within such two-minute period and not receiving any further strikes as a defender, then the referee will announce the commencement of the redemption round and will instruct the striker to complete one permitted slap of their opponent."

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4628.608

If the return strike results in a KO or TKO finish of their opponent, the match is declared a draw. If the return strike has any other result, the match result stands. That's crazy. So you can get KO'd, you get finished, they give you two minutes to come back, and if you can knock that guy out, then it's a draw.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4648.366

So you go knockout for knockout. Boy, that rule looks like it's written by lawyers, doesn't it? Doesn't that rule look like it's written by lawyers? So find out what's happening, because I think they were going to announce something today about Lamont Roach-Gervonta Davis decision-making. on the knockdown. It was a very good fight, though. Lamont Roach is very good. I was really impressed.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4668.938

Because Tank is nasty. Tank is so fucking powerful. He's so vicious. Like, his one-punch power at 135 is like nobody else's in the division. Like, the way he starches people is crazy. He gets so much torque and power into his punches, and he's so fast. He covers ground and his uppercuts, they're just fucking devastating.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4715.16

Everybody saw it. You can't get around what everybody saw. Look, it wasn't a legit knockdown like he hurt Tank. Tank did have some shit in his eyes. What are you doing putting shit in your hair when you have a world title fight? That's crazy.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4744.394

Also, what are they putting in his hair? That when he's sweating, it's dripping into his eyes. Like, what is that shit? Yeah. Bro, shave your head. There's no way, right?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4755.002

You better go get this fight. Get those fucking braids out of there. You don't need those. He's a good looking guy. He doesn't need all that crazy braids and shit. It makes a rematch very exciting though. And I think that's great for Gervonta because other than Shakur, who's the other major star, and then Lomachenko if he decides to fight again.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4777.278

But other than that, there's not a lot of compelling. There's not a lot of challenges out there for him. So now this Lamont Roach fight becomes like the most compelling fight in the division for him. That'd be pretty cool.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4796.976

During the round in question, the following the commission's request for the replay video, there was a technical issue preventing the commission from receiving it within the allotted time to review. Therefore, the referee's in-ring decision was relied upon, and the fight continued. Yeah, I did see that.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4812.208

The instant replay, there was a technical issue. When they went to the corner, like right after the knockdown, they tried to go to an instant replay, and it wasn't available. And so they said, what do we do here? And the referee wanted to start the fight again. They let the referee start the fight again.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4832.775

It was in the moment. Only in the moment. They couldn't get a tape, so there's... No, you couldn't do that. That would be ridiculous.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4838.899

Sorry.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4846.365

Yeah. No, obviously everybody's seen it. We've all seen it online. I saw it during the fight. I didn't even know the fight was going on. My friend Jamar texted me, you watching this Davis fight? I'm like, oh shit, I forgot. And I caught it in the 12th round. Then I went back and watched the whole thing the next day. It was an amazing fight. Amazing fight. That was amazing.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4879.545

Very competitive fight for a guy who doesn't have competitive fights.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4883.027

Because Givenchy just steamrolls. He's undefeated. He's knocking guys out. Steamrolls everybody. And everybody's scared of him. And Lamont was not scared of him. But they have fought in the amateurs before. I think they fought twice in the amateurs. But Lamont's a new star. That guy's super, super legit. Super legit and very skillful. It wasn't just that like...

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4904.605

You know, like, Gervonta didn't show up or Gervonta wasn't at his best. No, like, Lamont fought a fantastic fight. You know what I'm excited for, man? Terrence Crawford and Canelo. That's the one.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4919.108

That's a huge fight.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4921.929

A lot of people think Terrence is too small. He weighed himself the other day. He was 185 pounds. He just looks scrawny in the ring. Well, he gets down. He fought at 140, 150? Well, he just won the 154-pound title. And, you know, before that, he was fighting at welterweight, which is 147. But it's not like he doesn't have time to, like, thicken up a little bit.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4950.471

But I think he's getting thicker. And he was deadlifting 450 pounds the other day. You like deadlifts? I think they can fuck your back up.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4975.655

It's supposed to make your overall chain strong. It's one of the best exercises to make your overall chain strong.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4989.399

Right, and a lot of stress on that lower back.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

4996.202

Robert Oberst, you know who he is? He did the podcast once. He's a professional strongman, like one of the biggest motherfuckers you'll ever see, like a house, just like this big. He's like, don't do deadlifts.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5018.208

I've heard people say that if you do them correctly, they could decompress your back. And I'm like- You could do a lot of more exercises for your back. But I'm like, explain how. Explain how it can ever decompress your back.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5032.719

No matter what you do, as you're lifting, even if you're fully extending and stretching your body forward- Yeah, there's nothing doing nothing. You're compressing your back when you have that enormous amount of weight. There's no way you're not compressing your back.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5047.771

What about deadlifts just like for reps?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5055.838

Do you do Nordic curls? Do you ever do those? Nordic curls is the best. You do those? For your hamstrings, yeah. Oh, yeah. Tremendous for your hamstrings. Isolate your hams right away. Yeah. If you want to work your leg and lower back, do those, yeah. The first time I did them, I was like, what? I couldn't do one. I was like, this is crazy. Isolate your hamstring right away. It's no cheating. Yeah.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5071.49

Yeah. No cheating. No cheating. All hamstrings. All hams. Such a great exercise just to develop strength around your knees too.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5081.155

So when you're in the NFL, what is the strength and conditioning program like for a receiver? Do they tailor your strength and conditioning routines depending upon what position you play? So for a guy like you, you obviously have to stay fast.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5138.389

And when they make a program for you, do they lay out the progress they're looking to achieve? How do they do a program for a guy like you?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5189.256

I never thought about that. So you do, like, foot strengthening exercises.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5198.485

Turf toe.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5222.177

Nick Curson's a famous strength and conditioning guy in the MMA world, and that was what he told me. He said foot strength is the number one flaw that a lot of people have.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5266.618

And are you just holding the towel with your hands? Like, how are you doing the towel? You put the towel on the ground. Oh, on the ground.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5272.545

Have you done this, Jamie?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5274.387

You do it all the time? Every day, right? Yeah. How come you never told me?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5289.575

Wow.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5305.208

I jump rope. I feel like that's really good for your feet.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5308.589

Yeah.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5317.632

What happens when you get too good at the towel? Do you move up to like a rug? Yeah, you go single leg.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5325.674

Oh, ooh. So like standing on one leg? And grip, yeah. So you're balancing and then gripping at the same time. Back and you stack it up.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5340.962

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all about your wills, man. You know what I just started incorporating into my workouts over the last few months that I never did before is rotational exercises. And I feel like an asshole. I have a reoccurring thing that I got on my lower back that's like, I think it's really, it's a bunch of different things, but I think mostly it's tendonitis.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5361.997

It's mostly overuse because it would start to hurt and I would just ignore it and keep doing it. I got it from archery. where it just started flaring up because it's like when i'm uh shooting the bow the bow is 80 pounds to pull back and i do it 150 times a day so that's like 150 rows with 80 pounds so it's a lot of doing that all the time my lower back and stabilizing it started to flare up

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5390.327

And I'm an idiot. So I was like, don't be a pussy. Just keep going. Power through. And in power through and it got inflamed. And it's taken a few months for it to get better. But one of the best ways it got better was rotational exercises. You know, like with a bar where you like twist it like that. Those twit with cables. Yeah, that's the best exercises.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5413.962

oh it's like that's movements it uh it works so well with athletics well for me with martial arts it works so well and i'm like why wasn't i doing that before like i would just do linear stuff like chin-ups push-ups dips squats all that other basic shit but when i started doing twisting things i'm like man and then i feel like i have more power now with ranging ability right

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5436.238

Yes, I have more strength in my lower back. So for kicking, it's everything in there. It's like that ability to whip. And I'm like, why wasn't I doing this forever? It's kind of crazy that it took me getting injured before I started doing it.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5452.426

You know what my favorite one is? When you're sitting, like I sit on a mat with my feet up in the air and then I take a 50-pound kettlebell and I keep my feet up. And rotate sideways. Sideways. Ooh, that's the one, dude. That's the one right there, yeah. That is the one. Because when you do like that, it's like you just feel all that shit in there. You feel good, all your rotators.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5470.337

Yeah, and it warms everything up and it loosens it, it stretches it a little bit. Because when you get to here, you know, you're challenging your range of mobility. And then you get to here and here and, you know, it's like... And it's hard to do. So your abs are firing. Everything's working.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

548.98

That's an important point you brought up, like the psychology of an athlete. You have to learn how to put losses behind you and failures behind you and regain your confidence and then excel and move forward.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5490.499

I try. I try. I'm trying to keep up. Try to just keep it active. Keep it going. But all those different exercises are huge and I ignored a lot of them. But that's the thing about getting injured. Sometimes you get injured and you go, okay, why did I get injured? I need to do more preventative stuff. Yeah. Like you're doing with your feet. Yeah. Like more of that. Mm-hmm.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5513.507

So when you do plyometric stuff, do they have you do stuff on like balance balls and shit too?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5530.812

Yes.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5533.888

Yeah. Speed bands. When did players start realizing that that's something to incorporate? Because I would imagine if you go back to the early days, they were probably doing regular weightlifting stuff, right?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5566.38

You know what else I started adding to? What you're adding? Ab wheel to my feet when you do explosive push-ups. So you explode up, you roll your abs forward on the wheel, and then you come down and catch yourself, and then explode up and roll the wheel forward, and then come down and catch yourself. You clap and catch yourself.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5583.59

I learned that from Arthur Bitterbeave, the light heavyweight champion, this crazy dude from Chechnya. That's the explosive push-up. Yeah, but with an ab wheel. He does it with an ab wheel. I was like, oh, that's next level. That's next level. There's so many different things you could see really elite, high-level guys do. You're like, oh. I get it. I get it. I get it. just mobility drills.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5660.054

Yeah. When I'm getting lazy, I don't stretch either. Gotta scratch. And I realize, like, yeah, that's probably also how I get injured. Would you ever fuck with yoga?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5672.457

Yeah.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5682.355

Yeah, you feel like everything's working together too, like all the connective areas are getting strengthened, all the balance and all the stuff that keeps your posture in line. Yeah. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5703.749

Yeah, exactly.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5706.389

Do they coach in the NFL how to eat, what supplements to take? They tell you what to do?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5730.854

So when they take your blood test, do they sit down with you and go over the results and talk to you about, like, what you need?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5745.936

For sure, but I would imagine for them, it would be beneficial to them to make their athletes perform at the very best they can. So give them as much information as they could.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5759.304

Yeah. What about like saunas and cold plunge?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5766.971

Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

577.509

Yeah. When did you, I mean, you talk pretty openly about CTE, but when did you start feeling the effects of that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5810.49

Oh, okay, nice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5817.916

What do you do with kids? Were you talking about flag football?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5832.727

And you're involved in that?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5856.528

That's cool that you have that focus that you want to like help kids to help them, you know, and also like when they see a guy like you has done it, been there, done that, you know, been at the top. They could say, oh, it's he's a human. He's just like me, you know, and him talking to me and work with me. Maybe I can get something done in this life.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5888.557

Are you working with Kanye anymore?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5893.179

Really? Still working with him?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5894.959

When was the last time you saw him?

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5898.683

He's a wild man.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5900.064

He's a side agent. When he showed up at the Grammys with his wife naked, he's like, look. Turn around. Okay, bye. Then he leaves. He doesn't even go to the Grammys. He just shows up, walks the red carpet, his wife takes his clothes off, and he goes home.

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#2286 - Antonio Brown

5933.158

Look at the size of that fucking thing.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5957.018

Oh, that's cool. So what sports are you getting involved with?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5967.801

So what is he doing? Is he managing them?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

5996.777

So he represents them, gives them advice.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6007.34

But also, like, being under that umbrella is, like, notoriety. Absolutely.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6015.543

So is this something Kanye's going to expand to other sports as well?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6032.335

That's really cool, man. That's very cool. It's nice that you're interested in doing that, that you want to help young kids achieve their goals.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6060.191

That's a beautiful philosophy. It's a good way to look at life. You're living your life. You're happy. You're also helping people be happy. Yeah. And cracking on people. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6084.23

Well, the response has been pretty amazing, right?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6089.893

I mean, imagine the idea of an ex-football player starting an award show and he gets 200 million views.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6098.297

I mean, very much so. But it was also because you had laid the groundwork of being funny all the time on Twitter and being that wild follow that people like to go check you out. Yeah. So when you do something like that award show, everybody's like, yeah, I can't wait. I'm looking forward to it. Bro, I was getting texts all day long, man. That was a big deal.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

61.582

And then when I won Cracker of the Day, I was like, yes!

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6116.191

So many people were sending me texts about it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6120.276

That was a big deal. My pleasure. Everybody was... I was loving it.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6126.061

Yeah, everybody's excited. Because, like I said, it's just, it's fun. It's like a thing that wasn't around before, and it's like a sign that everything's getting back to normal, that you can do fun kind of shit like that again.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6141.991

Yeah. Well, I think now everybody is looking forward to the next one. Like, now it's established. You know, when you have the second annual awards, everybody's going to be very excited about it. It's a necessary thing. We need more ridiculous shit in this world to take the burden off of a lot of people with just the regular life. You need fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6166.704

Yeah, it's valuable. It's not just silly. It's like valuable for people's mental health. It brings people joy and happiness. Yeah, like memes. When my friends send me a funny meme and then I send it to them, we're all like, wow. That should make you happy, right? It's excitement. It makes you happy. It makes me happy. It's funny. Too exciting.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6186.258

It's like some of the biggest laughs of my day are memes, you know? And I don't even know who's making them. I don't know who's... It's coming out the blue, just... It's just like the universe is creating... I mean, it's obviously people are doing it, but I don't even know who they are. Sometimes you do. Sometimes a person, like, you know you can give them credit.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6203.788

I'll give them credit, but sometimes, like, I don't know where this came from. It's on 15 different Instagram pages. People just send it to you, like, all right. I was throwing up my stories.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6214.794

It's a fun time, man. It's a fun time. I'm glad you're a part of it. Because having a guy like you out there, having a good time, cracking jokes, it opens up the door for other people to do the same. Absolutely. Keep it light. Have a good time. Enjoy yourself.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6230.439

All right. Anything else you want to talk about before we wrap this up? I think we hit it all. We hit it all? All right. Beautiful. Tell everybody how they find you on X, AB.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6259.522

All right. That's it. All right, brother. Well, thank you very much for being here. Thank you for having me. Continued success.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

6264.209

I'm a fan. I'm excited. I love you, too. All right. Thank you. Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

635.149

Did you feel the way your brain work change at all, though?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

65.426

Of the year. Cracker of the year, that's right.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

689.154

So you play it smart. Got to play it smart. And as a receiver, man, they're coming for you. Yeah, you got to play it smart. I mean, that's target numero uno. Yeah, by the way. Yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

700.056

Do you encounter a lot of young guys or, like, you know, I'm sure you run into, like, and you definitely did while you were playing, young guys are coming in and you feel, like, compelled to let them know, like, hey, this is, you got a short amount of time here. Nobody, the longest anybody ever lasts is, like, Brady. Like, what's he now? He's like. He's thinking about doing it again.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

722.605

Quarterback's a little different, right? Yeah. A lot different, right, than a receiver.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

727.79

And they have long careers. But, you know, it's obviously for most people, you start hitting your 30s, that's the same thing with fighters as well. When they pass 35, that's the cutoff. 35, you're always looking for decline. And some of them hang in there strong, like Alex Pereira. He's 37. He's hanging in there strong, killing everybody. But for most guys, 35, 36, that's the drop-off, 37.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

751.911

Do you feel, like, compelled to talk to the young guys?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

766.792

Yeah, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

769.655

Yeah, football's a chapter. Life's a long game. And it could be the most fun chapter of your whole life.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

785.349

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing is that some guys, they have a real problem when they stop playing because they don't know who they are anymore. They used to be a football player, and now all of a sudden they're just a regular person who was a football player.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

819.129

Yeah, it's interesting to see that some people can navigate it and they figure out how to do it and they get through life and then they move on to other things and they start doing commentary on ESPN or what have you. And they're doing great. And then most people, that's not the case.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

82.023

Twitter, they would have got rid of you a long time ago.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

844.15

Did you get therapy when you were done?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

848.033

Yeah. Yeah. What did you specifically go to talk to them about?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

85.324

They probably would have got rid of me, too, if Elon didn't buy Twitter.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

958.664

8 a.m. or 8 p.m.?

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

97.067

Have some fun again.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

978.454

He's just scattered. He's all over the place, and sometimes he goes a little off the reservation. I feel like he think in a lot of forms. Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

98.968

What happened? Everybody tightened up for like five years.

The Joe Rogan Experience

#2286 - Antonio Brown

988.434

You don't make music like that consistently unless you got a very different mind. That dude has a very different mind. All of his shit. He doesn't have one bad album. His new album's not getting enough love.

The MeidasTouch Podcast

GOP Leaders Freak Out in Public as Support Crashes

26.898

Bernie Sanders is right in that you should be scared of oligarchs and oligarchs shouldn't be running our government. He's right in that regard. And when people get into positions of just unchecked power.

The MeidasTouch Podcast

GOP Leaders Freak Out in Public as Support Crashes

693.726

No, fuck that. Well, here's the problem with fuck that. The problem with things that are going in a radical direction and then there's an overcorrection. So the overcorrection is lack of due process. The overcorrection is like, round them all up, ship them to jail. That's like some things that you say when you're not thinking things through. Like, what do you do about all the criminals?

The MeidasTouch Podcast

GOP Leaders Freak Out in Public as Support Crashes

713.598

Take them all, fucking send them to El Salvador. Yeah. What about due process? No, fuck that. Well, here's the problem with fuck that. What if you are an enemy of, let's not say any current president. Let's pretend we got a new president, totally new guy in 2028. And this is a common practice now of just rounding up gang members with no due process and shipping them to El Salvador.

The MeidasTouch Podcast

GOP Leaders Freak Out in Public as Support Crashes

739.284

You're a gang member. No, I'm not. Prove it. What? I got to go to court. No, no due process. That's dangerous, Joe. That's dangerous. That's dangerous. That's dangerous. We got to be careful that we don't become monsters while we're fighting monsters.

The MeidasTouch Podcast

GOP Leaders Freak Out in Public as Support Crashes

755.03

I think due process exists for a reason, and the reason is it is horrific for someone to be accused of something they didn't do, be imprisoned for crimes they didn't commit, and then live in a cell, live in a cage with a bunch of... People who did commit shit. Here it is. Benjamin Franklin. It's better a hundred guilty persons should escape than one innocent person should suffer.

The MeidasTouch Podcast

GOP Leaders Freak Out in Public as Support Crashes

775.68

That is wisdom that has survived hundreds of years. It's incredibly accurate, and it is the foundation of freedom. Like, we have to make sure that these people are actually guilty, otherwise we become monsters. You can't, like, what is that? When you fight monsters, be careful that you don't become one. Become one. Yeah.

The MeidasTouch Podcast

GOP Leaders Freak Out in Public as Support Crashes

796.83

That's very important. It's very important. You know, you can't do that.

The MeidasTouch Podcast

GOP Leaders Freak Out in Public as Support Crashes

802.862

know it's one of those things where to support one side of this you have to deny some like basic human values either way like to support just rounding people up and just assuming they're all gang members i'm not saying they're doing that but this is the worst case scenario right they get a bunch of people in a room they rope them all in and one guy is just someone's cousin picking someone up to give him a ride home

The MeidasTouch Podcast

GOP Leaders Freak Out in Public as Support Crashes

827.552

That's possible. And now you're back on the one innocent person. Now you're right back. And what if that dude is not doing anything wrong and he's got some stupid tattoos and they decide that this guy's a gang member and now you're in a prison in El Salvador and you're not even from El Salvador. And now, you know, you were just a hairdresser or you were a tattoo artist or whatever you are.

The MeidasTouch Podcast

GOP Leaders Freak Out in Public as Support Crashes

845.261

You came over here and maybe you got a green card and maybe you don't. Maybe you were just given asylum because a lot of people from Venezuela were given asylum in America. And then you get shipped to El Salvador where you're not even from El Salvador. So that the fact that that exists scares the shit out of me.

The MeidasTouch Podcast

Trump Blows Up Key Program in Ultimate Betrayal

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Yeah, well, you can tell me better than anybody.

The MeidasTouch Podcast

Trump Blows Up Key Program in Ultimate Betrayal

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Federal Judge Smacks Down Trump in Blistering Letter

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Yeah, well, you can tell me better than anybody.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1009.936

Oh, you have to see it. You have to see it. You're going to freak out. They had all types of Nazi soldiers? They had black Nazi soldiers. They had a Native American Nazi. Oh, at least everybody was doing it. They had Chinese Nazis. Yeah.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1021.303

so dumb but it's like that's what you try to be woke and you attach it to everything look oh well you're not representing reality i said show me vikings not chinese midgets like what are you doing like what are you doing why why are you showing me this because it's woke is not reality and if you do that with ai like look at this look at those images Look at that.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1042.547

It looks like guys from fucking Nigeria, the lower left-hand corner. Look at the Native American lady with her braids. That's so crazy. That's a Nazi soldier. He's a cutie, kind of. She is kind of cute. But look at that. That's nuts. So if that's artificial intelligence, that's not intelligent at all. Right. Because you're ignoring the reality of what a Nazi looked like.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1076.963

He who controls the AI controls the narrative of the whole country. And it's going to be smarter than you and me. Like you and me, if we have an opposition to something, maybe we could say it in a funny way. Maybe we can like relate to people because they know the way we think. But AI is going to be way better at communicating. So it's going to be like we're going to look stupid

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1094.816

Have you ever had a debate with someone who's way smarter than you and they're making more points than you and you're stuck?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

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It's frustrating, right? But you're trapped and you're like, ah, fuck, I can't really articulate this as well.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1129.754

Exactly. And these fucking eggheads that are running us towards the edge of the cliff have to do what they're doing because China's doing it and they're stealing our data for sure. But let them have it. What are they getting? They're replicating our research. They're making AI as well. They're way ahead in a lot of stuff, man. Way ahead. China's way ahead in drone technology. Way ahead. Yeah.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1156.465

Commercial drones. OK, I don't know what the military has. And this was like a big subject of the Sean Ryan podcast the other day. Do you know about this?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

116.789

Thanks, man. Nice to see you, bro. Good to see you, too. Yeah, man. We had a fun time. We were just talking about how if we had a camera on us when we were in Vegas having dinner a couple weeks ago, that one night, bro, we were so silly. We were dying laughing.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1169.418

Um, the guy who supposedly blew himself up in the Tesla cyber truck in front of Trump tower.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1177.282

Right. So there's a guy who came on the Sean Ryan podcast and said that this dude, Matthew Livelsberger, is that how you say it? Uh, was a, who apparently was on a television show 12 years ago with Tim Kennedy.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1192.27

Green Beret TV show where they did Green Beret shit. Pretty cool. Yeah. So this guy wrote this manifesto. He sent this, I wouldn't say a manifesto, but a statement. And in that statement, there was no indication he was going to blow himself up in that statement, by the way. The statement was just talking about what he knew.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1209.28

And what was the problem was that these Chinese drones are operating on this anti-magnetic technology and that we have this technology as well. Was that the stuff that the guy who came on here was talking about that time? Here's what he says.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1222.747

He says, what we've been seeing with drones is the operational use of gravitic propulsion systems powered by aircraft, most recently China in the East Coast, but throughout history, the U.S. only. Only we in China have this capability. Our open location for this activity in the box is below.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1240.714

China has been launching them from the Atlantic from submarines for years, but this activity recently has picked up. As of now, it's just a show of force, and they're using it similar to how they use the balloon for Cygnet and ISR, which are also part of the integrated comm system. There are dozens of these balloons in the air at any given time.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1259.683

So what is, because of the speed and stealth of these unmanned AC, they are the most dangerous threat to national security that has ever existed. They basically have an unlimited payload capacity and can park it over the White House if they wanted. It's checkmate. Wow.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1275.592

US government needs to give the history of this, how they're employing it and weaponizing it, how China is employing them and what the way forward is. China's poised to attack anywhere in the East Coast.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1292.342

It could be. It could be. Because it feels big like that. When someone releases a letter like that and then blows themselves up where they don't have a chance to talk about it and shot himself in the head with a fucking Desert Eagle. You ever seen a Desert Eagle?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1305.951

It's a giant overkill of a gun. It's like a .50 caliber pistol. Is a Desert Eagle .50 caliber?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1327.949

Right.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1329.631

No, because the DNA is so destroyed. I mean, he's cooked, so they have to sample DNA and then run it through a lab and then figure out if it's him. Fuck.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1371.223

That's crazy. So that shows what it actually looks like when a .50 caliber shoots a skull that's wrapped up in that ballistic shell.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1381.652

Yeah, watch this. Boom. It just gets destroyed. It's an enormous round. I mean, it's massive overkill to shoot yourself in the head with one of those. But the question is, why... Would you use a Cybertruck? Because one of the things about a Cybertruck is if you're trying to do damage, a Cybertruck is way more robust than most trucks. I mean, you can't even, they're bulletproof.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1404.364

You know, I should try to shoot an arrow through one of them out here.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1426.113

Yeah, they don't like it. There's a lot of people that either love those things, I'm on that side, or hate them. That's my whole family. Oh, yeah.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

145.514

They were there for six hours of the fights, drinking. They were cooked. Because they got there with me, so they started watching the fights at like 3.30 p.m.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1455.117

You feel like you're in a pickup truck?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1468.381

Something heavy?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1469.762

What's so heavy?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1473.543

Bro, if you get in an accident with that thing, you're going to do some damage.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1492.352

People were coming by, looking at it, you know? Revving their engines from a distance. Brum, brum.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1529.374

How long did it take you to charge that whole Cybertruck?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1534.959

How many miles did you get with two hours worth of charging?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1540.299

That's it?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1545.562

Wow. See, that's the problem with long distance unless you go to a place that has like cities where they have the superchargers.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1560.749

Wow. So how quick would that charge you up?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1583.508

Yeah. It was enough. Yeah. A lot of electricity. Enough power to read by, basically. Do you really save money, though? Have you ever looked at that? It's like how much he's paying on gas versus how much does it cost for electricity.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1612.9

You get some hand movements in here. Well, look, bro. As soon as you start doing this, I know you got a point.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1698.084

Oh, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. So you had to order chicken in order to use their electricity.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1711.597

That's not enough.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1722.968

And you were ready to go? An hour and 15 minutes?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1729.154

I love driving a Tesla around town because I know I'll be able to park it at home or park it here and charge it. But if I had to go on a road trip, I would be very nervous.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1739.244

Also, it's like whatever the range is, like let's say the range is 360 miles. Not the way I drive.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1748.092

When you accelerate on the highway, you're like wee.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

175.509

Yeah.

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E554 Joe Rogan

1758.721

You're so close to being a pedestrian. You're like minutes on a watch. Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock. Only from being a pedestrian. I'm like from walking until you run out of water. Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock, tick. You're four minutes away. Fuck that, dude. But that was about to rock. Fuck. See, you can call a tow truck.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1779.265

They can come with a tank of gas like that. They show up. You tip the guy. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Where's the nearest gas station? He hooks you up. You pay for the gas. You pay for his service. You give him a tip. You drive to the gas station. Bro, that's a 15-minute ordeal. You're good to go. Filled up. You got fucking beef jerky. You'll get a diet Mountain Dew.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1801.812

You got a bag of peanuts you're not going to eat. You're on the road, son.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1807.979

You're going to fart and huff it. We're talking about farting in the earlier episode. Guys, I wonder if there's been a study on the drop in IQ from huffing your own farts driving trucks.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1824.641

It can't be good for you. It just can't be.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1832.904

Scented candles.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1834.564

Yeah. I was reading about this. They're trying to figure out why there's been an uptick in lung cancer from people that don't smoke. And they're trying to figure out what it is, and they think it's, There's a combination of factors, burning, toxins, some cooking oils when burned create problems in people inhaling, especially for prolonged periods of time, but also candles.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

184.833

Oh, Joel. Yeah, I don't want to do an impression of it. I'll fuck it up. But I like it over there. It's beautiful.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1861.169

Candles are not good for you. Those scented candles, you're getting a bunch of funky chemicals. So if you have a one-bedroom apartment, you got a little bedroom, and you got like 10 candles in there because you like it looking sexy. You like to listen to fucking...

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1909.197

I don't even feel comfortable stretching like that when I'm alone. You know, I stretch like that when I'm alone. I lie on my back and I get both my ankles and I pull them down like this to work on my kicking flexibility. I don't even feel comfortable doing that when I'm by myself. Just me by myself. Yeah, that's a lot. Stretching out my legs like this.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

193.999

I think that it's like it's one of the most beautiful places, but it's like very lightly populated. I almost don't want to talk about it because it's so cool because there's not a lot of people there. Oh, yeah. But it's also there's like some shit there that's so old. They had some guide stones on this property. And they said, I go, how old are these things? They're like thousands of years old.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

1931.254

That's what I'm saying. I'm giving off a message to the demons in the world.

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E554 Joe Rogan

214.981

We don't even know. Don't know who put them there. Don't know why they're there. So these like 4,000, 5,000-year-old stones that are sticking out of the ground, they have a stone circle there that's older than Stonehenge. It's crazy.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

2221.747

That is kind of what it is. There's a lot of that, right? You're in a war of choices. You're in a war of decisions. You're in a war of good behavior and detrimental and destructive behavior. I mean, especially guys like you that have gone through periods of addiction. That's always a war of temptation in your mind. There's always going to be that there.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

2257.131

Everybody wants to talk about gateway drugs. Oh, don't you bring out a new one, you son of a bitch. This one's strong enough, Jamie. Let's check. Is that strawberry?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

2267.238

The thing is, they're so scary when they bring the new ones out. Like, I'm scared of the new ones. Oh, this one's so strong. Oh, my God. This is so strong.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

2279.994

God.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

2282.074

You know what the difference is, Jamie?

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

2284.115

You know what the difference is? This one, I kept this on it. I didn't even realize I was doing it, but I kept that on it, and then it was sealed.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

2298.221

Hit it. Hit it.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

2302.592

You didn't get enough. No, hold on. You didn't inhale. You got scared. You missed. You're right.

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

E554 Joe Rogan

2309.275

Oh, my God. No. No. You don't do that. You don't do that. What you just did scared everyone. I'm sweating. I'm sweating, too. Because of that. Sorry. How are you? Are you okay? Bro, you just changed timelines. Because of you, Justin Trudeau resigned. Because of that. Give me another hit. Before that, before you did that, it was a different timeline. Trump didn't win. Trudeau didn't resign.

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Mark Zuckerberg didn't start doing jujitsu. That's part of what happened. By the way, I'll tell you for a fact, Mark Zuckerberg started doing jujitsu and nothing turns you into a libertarian like jujitsu.

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Oh, yeah. Nothing turns you into a person who really values hard work and discipline and struggle like jiu-jitsu. Huh. Because of the exposure of character on a level that nothing else is like it. Wow. I hadn't thought about that that much. Yeah, because you expose character in a way that it's almost impossible, even with other martial arts.

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Because with other martial arts, you can only spar so much, man. Believe me, because I sparred too much.

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Spar a lot you get hurt and you get hurt eventually you get dinged up at the point where your brain is just not firing So well anymore mm-hmm like I was reading this horrible story where they're talking about Parkinson's and Muhammad Ali's daughter was talking about oh she remembers when she was young When he fought Leon Spinks the second time she could tell afterwards that he talked different.

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They taught you about that in school?

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Well, you must be so scared if you're a kid and your father is a fighter. That has to be so terrifying.

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Especially watching your father. I've seen people that bring their kids to a fight and then they get flatlined. And you see the terror in the kid's eyes where their father is fucking laid out unconscious, bleeding from his mouth. A doctor's holding his head up and his feet are twitching.

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That kid might be already sparring already. They might have that kid sparring young. There's an argument for sparring young because you can't hurt each other.

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But then- Stonehenge is by Smurfs?

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Well, as long as they learn control. They've got to learn control. But if they learn control when they're young... And they learn not to hit each other hard, but just to do it fast. Man, they can get so good. Because they don't hurt each other the way adults hurt each other.

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Like once you get to be like 170 pounds, man, you can generate a lot of force. And so if you're sparring hard with another guy that's 170 pounds, you're blasting each other in the face and the legs and the body. It's like, oh, God, you do so much damage. Yeah. So much damage. But little kids don't do that kind of damage. They just slap each other a little. Pat, pat, pat. They just tap each other.

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It's like a good way to learn.

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Is that what you do?

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Well, let me tell you this. If you were 90 years old right now, God, if I go back in time when I was 44 and limber.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Yeah, you're an addict. All you have to do is get addicted to jujitsu.

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That's what happens to a lot of addicts. They get addicted to running, become marathon runners. Like my friend John Joseph, he became an Ironman guy, just started doing Ironman.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Yeah, I think we all have that.

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Sugar's a good one.

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Look at that Gatorade. Is that a sugar-free Gatorade or a regular?

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No.

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That's why this is important. If you're going to listen, you got to listen to both podcasts. Listen to that one first, because we started talking about dehydration, but then you got, I think you started talking about zebras or something. I did? Yeah, you went off in a different direction. You went off in a different direction, dude.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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So do you know what the original Gatorade ingredients were? It was like citrus juice, like lemon juice, salt, sugar, and water, I believe. Pull that up. So this was a criticism that someone was bringing up on one of them Instagram reels. And they were talking about the original Gatorade versus the Gatorade that they have now with all these crazy dyes and the color blue and all the weird shit.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Gatorade didn't used to be like that. Gatorade was just like a hydration drink that was pretty fucking good. Pretty fucking good. Yeah. Like hydration drinks are legit. Electrolytes, that's a legit thing. You know, you really do need, you need sodium, you need magnesium, you need, you need electrolytes.

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Yeah, all that stuff's fucking really good for you. And when you sweat a lot, it helps to replenish it in your body.

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The original Gatorade invented in 1965 by UF's, is that University of Florida? Yeah. Robert Cade consisted of glucose, sodium, potassium, and water. That's it. So sodium, potassium, water, and some sugar. The same formula we use for oral rehydration in cholera. It worked, but it tasted like tiger piss.

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Then Pepsi bought Gatorade and Michael Jordan sweetened it with high fructose corn syrup and voila. Michael Jordan brought us into the high-fructose corn syrup maze. It was it.

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Who's done better with sneakers than that guy?

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But I'm saying it became a thing. It's a part of a brand that's a huge brand, and it's bigger than the brand. Jordans are bigger than Nikes. If you have Nikes on, that's one thing. If you have Jordans on, like, oh, he's got Jordans on.

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It's like, let me go on the- What are you going to do if you have to fight?

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Theo's scrapping on the porch. By the way, I've seen more fistfights online over the last three years than I have in my entire life.

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My entire life of actually seeing street fights, my entire life of being out in comedy clubs and nightclubs and bars and seeing street fights, I've seen more in the last three years than all that combined.

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You do.

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But if you don't go and see an actual bar fight, you don't know reality. I remember I was 21 years old. I was in Boston. I went to this bar, and I saw this dude break a Heineken bottle on this dude's face. I don't remember what they were arguing about. The dude did it so quickly. Out of nowhere, his first move was break a Heineken bottle on this guy's face and just cut this guy's face wide open.

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It was blood was pouring down his face. I was like, that is crazy. And I was as close to that guy as I am to Jamie. It was right there at the bar. I watched it all go down. I was like, that's... Put in my head, don't ever talk shit to somebody at a bar. De-escalate always. Too many weapons around. There's people out there that will just break a fucking bottle over your face.

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Especially if you threaten them. I don't know what that guy said. I don't know what happened. I just saw the act of the guy. I heard loud arguing and then smash.

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I don't remember. I just remember blood. The blood was instant. It just gushed down his face.

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I mean, this guy got ruined for life. He has a giant scar on his face for the rest of his life for sure. There's no way he doesn't. It was just his whole face. Blood. Don't fuck with people, man.

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I know you don't, but for everybody else listening, don't fuck with people.

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A hundred percent. People do stupid fucking things when they're drunk that could ruin the whole rest of their life just being hammered.

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Did you ever see the Georgia Guidestones? The Georgia Guidestones were this thing that I don't know if they know who built it. Do they know who funded that thing?

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I was watching this video that I just saw on Instagram the other day of this guy who was a former Muay Thai fighter in Mexico. And he got in a fight with these dudes and just started KOing dudes left and right. He KOs like four or five dudes, and one of them died. Because this is one of the things that I tell people all the time absolutely happens in street fights.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You knock a person out, they fall down, they bounce their head off the concrete, and they fucking die. And it happens all the time. All the time. It happens all the time. So in 25% of the people this guy knocked out, one of them died. So 25% of them died. One out of four, he KOs all four of them. One dude never wakes up, and now he's charged with murder. Have you seen the video?

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It's pretty impressive.

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Yeah. These guys are coming after him, and he just starts flatlining them. Damn.

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There was no UFC fights. Have you seen that video, Jamie? I could send it to you if you want. Who's a Scottish fighter? Paul Craig, is he Scottish? Yeah, he's Scottish. He's a bad motherfucker.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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He's got one of the greatest triangles in the history of the sport. That guy's triangle's off the charts. I know I sent it to Tommy. Me and Tom Segura sent each other everything fucked up, including that nuclear explosion. I also saw that lady get body slammed. Did you see that one, Jamie? You didn't see that lady get body slammed?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Some lady punches this guy in the face, and the guy body slams her.

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Oh, Jesus. That's another one.

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Oh, he picked that woman up and slammed her like that?

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So the Georgia Guidestones, somebody spent a lot of money to make these giant stone statues with the guides to how to keep a civilization intact.

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Oh, that's so awful. That's so awful. Oh, my God. Damn it. Jesus Christ. Fuck. That's not the one I'm talking about. The one I'm talking about is, I just sent it to you, Jamie.

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This one, the lady punches the guy in the face, though. The guy's trying to de-escalate. He tries to walk away. And the lady says, get the fuck out of my face. And then she punches him in the face. And the dude picks her up and just slams her. Oh, my God. And her boyfriend was in the car the whole time. She's calling out to the boyfriend in the car. And the dude does not get out of the car.

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He's like, nope. She's like, go ahead and fuck. Give me some volume. And go full screen. Watch this.

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No, it looks like a Cadillac. Like a shitty old Cadillac. For the record, that lady could die.

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Like, you could die from that. Like, if her head banged off the concrete, I'm not sure if it did. But if it did with the weight of all of his body and her body, like, that shit is very dangerous. Look how much we heard it from here. Yeah.

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He was charged with assault and battery by means of dangerous weapon causing serious bodily injury, vandalizing property, unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle. The man involved was arrested, but he wasn't driving.

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The woman suffered injuries, but was released from the hospital. Oh. The thing is, it's like she assaulted him first. Right. Oh, yeah. It doesn't... It seemed like they would get that figured out. But doing that... Oh, he did bang her head, for sure. Oh.

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Look at that. That's super dangerous. Super fucking dangerous.

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That's even more dangerous than knocking somebody out. I mean, that's horrible.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Jamie, if you don't mind. A guy got trampled by an elephant recently.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Oh, it was awful. This elephant got tired of this guy ordering it around and just folded this dude up and just squashed him. And you see him trying to get away, and it just squashed his head. He's like, yo.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Yeah. It's written in a bunch of different languages. So somebody blew it up, man. No. Oh, yeah, let's sit down the bottom Somebody somebody blew it up and then they decided after the person blew up part of it to destroy it all Which I don't understand that logic why they wouldn't just rebuild it. Why didn't just rebuild it?

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Oh, by the way, I did that. You did it? I didn't get in to bathe them, but my family did. We, in Thailand, rode the elephants, and I was like, I don't think this is cool. They thought, oh, this is so beautiful. This is what happens. You go to this elephant reserve. It's like they rescue these elephants. By the way, the elephants are completely free range. So they're wandering through the jungle.

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So while you're there, you hear trees branching, branches snapping, and you see elephants just making their way through the jungle to this group. And then they feed them sugar cane. So you feed these elephants sugar cane. So you give them a bunch of sugar cane, and then you clean them.

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So you wash the elephant, and you say nice things to it, and you develop this little relationship with the elephant. Oh, beautiful. And then you ride the elephant through the jungle. The elephant takes you, and then at the end of it, you bathe the elephant.

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You get the elephant in the water, and you wash him. You're basically being nice to them. They're being nice to you. They're letting you ride them. You give them free food, and you give them a little massage, but... I made a video about it, I think. When does it go askew? I definitely did. I was like, I don't recommend it.

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I was like, it's cool, because I was hanging out with this elephant in the video. They're really sweet creatures. They're so gentle, but they're so big, and they're deciding not to kill you. Right. And you're riding them, which is like, why do you have to ride them?

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Well, the tigers are all drugged up, too. That was another thing we did in Thailand.

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The tigers are drugged up, man. Uh-uh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Super drugged up. So this is what it is. I thought you couldn't use drugs there. What? You can. You certainly can on tigers in Thailand. Oh, Thailand. So you go to this place and they have little kittens. So the kittens, the tiger cubs, they're different. They're super active. They're biting things and playing with each other.

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And you can touch them? Yeah, you can touch them. But then when they get slightly older, you can be in the cage with them, but there has to be a dude with a stick. A dude with a stick is standing between you and this small tiger. Fuck no. Whose team is he on? Oh, it's so crazy. It's so crazy. It's so crazy.

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Yes.

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And this is a small tiger. This tiger is like 40 pounds. And then when they get bigger, then they have to drug him. So then when you get into the adult tiger, they're like this. Like, so obvious. And people are taking pictures, like, sitting next to the tiger. The tiger's literally like this. He has no idea what's going on. They keep him all heroined out of their mind. The tigers don't move.

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And you realize they're drugged up, and you get real sad.

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You want a photo with a tiger? You've got to risk your life.

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Because it's scary. It's scary to pet a crocodile. So when a guy can put his hand on the crocodile's face, you're like, whoa. Do you ever see that one where the dude is like, the crocodile grabs ahold of his arm and goes into a gator roll in front of the crowd? Oh, it's horrible. Rips his arm off in front of the whole crowd.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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So mysterious monument meant to guide into an age of reason was destroyed after an apparent bombing That's and that right there is like a perfect example of existence. Yeah, how about just leave it there?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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What do you think the drones are, Theo?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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I saw that at the Post Malone concert.

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Yeah.

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Huh? Yeah. Otherwise, leave me alone. Don't make me look at you flying around the sky like an asshole.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Okay, June of 1979, a man going by the pseudonym of R.C. Christian approached the Elberton Granite Finishing Company with the task of building a monument. He said that no one was ever to know his true identity or the group that he was representing, or that of the group that he was representing.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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They took photographs of it. It was in that movie. Bridge Bonnie or whatever. What's it called? Bridgebury? Yeah, something like that. James Fox's documentary, The Program. He was just here promoting it. And they showed the photo. And it's a photo from the 1990s that they got of this thing. Apparently there was three photos.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Whoa. 300 per year. Also, let me tell you something. Those folks like to drink. I mean, bro, they drink.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Have a wee drab. Have a wee drab. If someone says have a wee drab, that means it's time to get fucked up. This dude poured me a shot of Irish whiskey that was like that thick. I was like, oh, we're going to go.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Did they call you that?

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You don't think they have a lot of gays? I don't know. What do you think they do with them?

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You don't think? I think they're pretty open-minded. In fact, I think they have a pretty woke government. I think they have a very woke government.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You think they're going to breed a lot, or do you think we're going to import people?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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There's like a million people over there. There's nobody over there.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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I think the whole country is like 6 million people.

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Largest population ever recorded by Scotland's census. Population grew by 2.7% since the 2011 census, which was a slower rate of growth than the 4.6% increase between 2001 and 2011. They're smashing.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Get the candles lit. Yeah, they're coming back. They're getting lung cancer. Fuck it. Fuck it.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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He seemed to have an endless supply of money to fund the project, and by the terms of the legal contract, all plans had to be destroyed after completion and all information about him withheld from the public. So the stones were finished in 1980. They carry a tablet in the front proclaiming, let these be guide stones to an age of reason.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Engraved in the stones are 10 guidelines meant to reestablish the planet and society, perhaps after an apocalypse. They're written in eight different languages, English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindu, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, and Russian, amongst other commandments preached to maintain humanity under 500 million in perpetual balance with nature. Wow.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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I'm interested to see. Elon's a very pushy man. Once he gets an idea in his head, you know, it's very difficult to get him off of it. I'm interested to see if they can do anything. I'm interested to see what the reaction is to it, too. Like, what kind of resistance is there to them trying to change things?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Yeah, that's going to be interesting, too. Like, sometimes you find out more by resistance than you do from, like, we did with, like, the, we were talking about on the other podcast, the Trudeau thing with the truckers in Canada. When he went after the people that donated money to the truckers and he closed their bank accounts, that's crazy fascism.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Yeah, that's crazy, tyrannical overreach. That's like really dangerous authoritarian government tactics. You close the bank accounts of people who donated to a peaceful protest. So sometimes like in resistance, you get to see what someone's really about. And so I'm interested to see, well, were they already trying to kill him?

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That's the other weird one about the killing them thing, the trying to kill them, is there's all these connections. This is the big tinfoil hat conspiracy thing. They're all connecting them to Fort Bragg. So there's three connections to Fort Bragg. There's this guy who blew himself up, allegedly, in the Tesla. There's the dude who tried to kill Trump on the golf course.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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He had visited Fort Bragg 100 times. There's one other one. What's the other one?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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The New Orleans guy, yeah, that's right.

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The New Orleans guy who ran over those people in the street, that guy's from Fort Bragg as well.

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for those groups it's fucking heartbreaking what people are really terrified of is the idea of mind control and that they train people that are very vulnerable people that are all fucked up they train these people to become hitmen and terrorists and there was an undercover camera thing I'll send this to you Jamie because you see it and you're like what the fuck these are real people where this guy is explaining how they do this

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And he's explaining how they take people and push them over the edge.

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People that are maybe like a little bit lost and they give them a nudge to get them to to do things.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's the kid that shot Trump. That's what a lot of people think that is, too. The tinfoil hat conspiracy is that they found this very vulnerable kid. He did a BlackRock commercial. And then, you know, a year and a half later, whatever it was, he's shooting at Trump off of a roof. Yeah. So listen to this.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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So CIA agent explains how the government baits and tricks mentally unwell social media users into committing crimes they wouldn't normally commit. And so it says you set them up.

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Rule, passion, faith, tradition, and all things with tempered reason. Balance personal rights with social duties. Yeah. Be not a cancer on the earth. Leave room for nature. Wow. Solid laws.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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fake that's crazy so this is the guy's name is gavin oblenus and says cia contracting officer former fbi san diego like is that to protect or serve like what is that for you imagine that government money is being spent to manipulate vulnerable people into doing things they wouldn't ordinarily do that's crazy i could totally imagine that i mean that's what's scary about always these chatty gay guys they get busted

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Yeah. Chatty gay guys. That's how they keep busting them.

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They get hot guys on Grindr to go meet up with chatty gay guys. Yeah. I wonder how they set that up. I wonder if you have to have a bunch of verified fucks in order for people to take you. Like, where's your blue checkmark?

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You got to get a pink checkmark. Someone's fucked you. All right, this guy's legit.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Mm hmm. Oh, yeah. All that James O'Keefe stuff back when he was at Project Veritas. They'd always bust these gay guys. James O'Keefe, the author? No, no, no. The investigative journalist.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Very controversial investigative journalist that does these undercover ops where he finds he gets one of his guys to wear a camera.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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I don't know who you're thinking of. But James O'Keefe was with Project Veritas. Now he's got his own thing. What is it called?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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OMG, right?

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He's VA employed, advanced medical support assistant. Okay, it says this guy is my age. He was checking in patients at the VA when I started as an FBI agent, and that was 10 years older than many in 2022. He was a secretary at the FBI. Be skeptical, people. Geez. So he might be just... Well, it seemed like he was... But also he probably does know how they do it.

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Maybe he's not even saying that he does it because he has a low position. But if he's explaining how the FBI does it and he does work for the FBI.

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I think you can trust some of them. But the FBI is like people and people in positions of power. They get corrupted. Some do get corrupted. Some are great patriots. It's just like everything else, man. And the CIA, the same thing? I think with every fucking group of people that are in power that don't have a lot of oversight or where the organization itself has been corrupted.

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You know, there's a lot of people that think the FBI back in the day, not the same people a lot today, of course, but they had something to do with Martin Luther King's assassination.

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You know, there's a lot of people that think they had something to do with Malcolm X's assassination. Kennedy. Yeah. There's a lot of fucking theories, and I don't know the truth. I don't know the truth. But when you look at the January 6th thing, and you said, didn't they admit they had 26 agents there? Is that what they admitted to, Jamie?

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Because this is the most recent discussion about what actually took place in January 6th. Like, how many of those people? This article is talking about, this is 20? Yeah.

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Along with the trust in the media.

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Same time.

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Well, we never lived in a time.

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When you say, has it ever happened in history? Sure, things have fallen apart before, but has it ever come back together again? Maybe not, but maybe it didn't have the internet back then.

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So what people are looking at, like with Trudeau resigning and Trump winning, and then all this talk of Robert Kennedy getting in, the Make America Healthy Again movement, that we might be able to see legitimate change this go around. Like with Vivek and Elon being in charge of government efficiency, we might. I'm hopeful. I'm really hopeful for the first time in a long time.

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But I'm curious to see what can actually get done.

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They're in.

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We were talking about on the podcast what's happening in terms of people slowly turning into genderless aliens. I think that's probably really what's going on. I don't think humanity ever gets together. I think humanity stops being humanity.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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He has a new... Yeah, his nicotine pouches. They're good.

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They're legit?

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So I went without nicotine pouches for five days. See what that was like.

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When I tried the eights, when I came back, I got these loosies, these breakers, the eights. I couldn't take it. It was too much. Because five days off, I was like, whoa, this is too much. And what happened? Did you have to sit down somewhere? I got to take it out of my mouth. Then I switched to these threes. I'm on this athletic nicotine, these threes.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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So I've been taking these while I do podcasts, but completely killed my desire to just pop them in throughout the day. Because I was used to the eights, so I was popping them eights all day long. But then I realized when I wasn't taken out for the five days, I'm like, ooh, I'm a lot more calm.

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I'm a lot less ramped up. I don't need to be ramped up while I'm on vacation. I don't have to do any podcasts.

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You know?

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Well, I just mean, I mean. Enjoy. Just be chill. Why be alert? Why be so alert?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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The thing is you get used to being so alert. And then you want them all the time. Want them before I lift. Fucking give me an eight before I lift.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Oh.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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I'm looking at fireworks right now. My eyes are closed. It's just fireworks.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Imagine if Katy Perry takes her panties off. and that's it oh no and I shouldn't have said the first part either because he's married Katie Perry does this yes be respectful I am let's imagine not a real Katie Perry but a robot Katie Perry because that's coming yeah we met Catherine Perry who grew up different gal she's from Toledo she's the girl that got body slammed take a snap

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Oh, you went deep, son. You went so deep. You got that into your hairs. Here, give me that back before you hurt yourself.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Oh, my God. What have you done?

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Because I think what keeps us from getting it together, a lot of it, is if you think about the horrors of society, like violence, war, thievery, like stealing resources, all that stuff, imprisoning people, corruption. All those things are like – those are built-in primal behaviors in human beings, especially with unchecked power.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Your eyes, when you close your eyes, did you see fireworks? Yeah. Like when I closed my eyes, it was like my whole, it was all lit up.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Hot Ones.

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Yeah, it's dangerous.

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What about that one chip challenge? You ever try that? I did that. It's fun. It's preposterous.

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But the chips are stale and bullshit, though.

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I feel like it was just a way to reuse shitty old chips that had gone bad. That's what it felt like to me. Whoever did it is a goddamn genius. I was offended by the fact that the chip was so dry. I was like, look, you could do this with a Dorito and it wouldn't be as offensive. You know, one thing about Doritos, every time you open those bitches, it's the same.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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I know they're using seed oils and a bunch of chemicals, but guess what? I don't eat Doritos all the time, but I had a bag of Doritos five days ago. And guess what? I enjoyed it.

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A little bit of queso.

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Just because some people have no self-control.

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Yeah. We can't let that happen.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Yeah, we have to. We have to fight him. It's the same thing. Remember Jay Leno was a Doritos guy? Jay Leno was selling Doritos. I think that's when Bill Hicks started attacking him.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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No. I didn't know that. Did you ever meet Bill Hicks? I never met him. I saw him live twice. Two or three times. I think three times. But I said hi to him. Like that. Like, hey, what's up?

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He was famous for comedians. He was famous. He had been on Rodney Dangerfield's Young Comedian special, and that was a big deal back then. This was before he even had his big HBO special. Um, he was just this, uh, weird guy who was connected to Kinison. And then the first time I saw him live, I was like, holy shit.

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He was doing things that are so different than any of the other comedy that was, uh, popular back then. It was all like, he had something to say about things. It was like cultural, um,

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E554 Joe Rogan

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was like cultural commentary with jokes but the cultural commentary was as much of a part as what he was saying was the fact that it was funny that was totally unique and then it became a thing where everybody was copying him oh really yeah so he was like one of those guys that people just started being like without even without even realizing it yeah without realizing it and realizing it and just openly plagiarizing him he was very plagiarized by a bunch of people

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E554 Joe Rogan

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And I think that as long as we're just human beings, we're going to have those things. We'll have less and less of them. We have way less now than we had during fucking King Henry VIII. Like back during King Henry VIII, you couldn't have a podcast. He would fucking kill you. When he wanted to get rid of his wives, he just chopped their fucking heads off. Let me get a new one. Get rid of her.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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But he was just doing something different. Because his interests were different. He was following his interests.

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You know? That's what he was interested in talking about. And he was touring so much that he was working so much that he had so much material. Because he was just constantly playing in all these places. And unlike a lot of really respected comedians... He didn't do his tours in the big cities. He was like touring around the deep south.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You know, he called it his flying saucer tour because everywhere he would tour was where flying saucers would be spotted. Like these weird fucked up cities. And so he developed this like really intelligent act that would work on dumb crowds. Huh. Very unique guy.

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Well, some of it was lowbrow. Some of it was highbrow. Some of it was just funny. Great social commentary on the war. You know, he was just great. It was just a different thing. I mean, he wasn't as like laugh out loud funny as like Richard Jenny. But I remember me and Richard Jenny watched him once and he said, God, every time I see that guy, I'm like, I got to do more of that. Oh, yeah.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Richard Jenny said that. I saw him say it. And so I'm like, wow. Richard Jenny, to me at that time, was one of the greatest comics alive. He was so good in the 1980s. Like, people don't realize. I've told this story before, but just for you. There's one time he was at the Eastside Comedy Club. And Eastside Comedy Club was a big comedy club in Long Island. Great club. Awesome club.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Richie Minervini used to own it. And we were there on Sunday, and the dude who was the emcee over the weekend was depressed. He was like, Richard Jenny did four different hours. And he goes, he didn't repeat a joke once, and every hour he killed. He goes, he did four completely different hours. And no one could do that back then.

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So for Richard Jenny to tell me that he was watching Bill Hicks, like, I got to do more of that.

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Like, that's how influential he was.

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Yeah, I saw George perform a bunch of times. I saw George perform in a time where he wasn't doing so good.

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I don't know, man. I saw him bomb in New Hampshire. I took my roommates to a casino, saw him play in a casino in New Hampshire, and he fucking ate shit. It was weird. It was weird. It's like it wasn't worked out. It's like he would go on stage with notebooks. And he was just kind of like working out ideas. He had a very different way of doing comedy.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Yeah. It was a totally different style of doing comedy. And so he went through periods of time where he was doing real well and he was real funny. And then he went through some dark times where he was bombing a lot. And that's unfortunately the first time I saw him.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Off with her head.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Do you know who that is?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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That was the thing, right? Was it Henry VIII that was off with her head? Wasn't he the guy? He had like a few of them.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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So what does he do? Just say his crazy things?

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Like a mascot?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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He looks like he likes alcohol.

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You've got to give people the freedom to not give a fuck about anything but the Tide. Right? If you're going to have transgenders going into the men's room or the women's room, you're going to have to have that guy, too. You've got to be tolerant of that guy. Oh, 100%, man. How come you're not?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Why are you so judgmental?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Okay.

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just came to mind?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Oh, yeah. She would be like, that motherfucker. There's nothing wrong with her head. He said her head was cursed.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Well, it's definitely open to more things, right? Like Tim Dillon turned me on to that family in New Jersey that goes to Costco and yells out about cookies.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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That's unfortunate, right? I mean, that's crazy. We saw how many millions of people watched that.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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He's going to make that Costco TikTok money. They better not ban TikTok. Imagine that family becomes homeless because some heartless politicians decide to stop that Chinese spyware. How about let those morons stay on that shit? Let them steal their passwords. Let them go boom.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Well, you have to decide to do something about it. And the Biden administration doesn't seem like they're the type that would just be shooting shit out of the sky.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Yeah, nowadays are different, man. So that's like Steven Pinker's work, if you follow his work on violence and crime. People always want to think that violence and crime is more now than ever before, but the reality is, when you look at the course of human history, there's never been a more safe time to be alive than right now.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Whereas Trump... That motherfucker will shoot some shit out of the sky. You know, they didn't tell him about some of the balloons that China had circling the country because they were worried he was going to have them shot out of the sky. No way. Yeah. They openly admitted that they didn't tell Trump about some of the balloons. Remember when they shot that balloon out of the sky?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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When they shot that balloon out of the sky, we were talking about this the other day. They missed. One of those missiles missed.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Who fucking knows?

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Imagine if you're hiking. You're out there in the wilderness. Like, this is amazing. I've got my jet boil. I'm going to cook up some ramen tonight. Yeah, hey, Thomas. Boom, right in the face. Right in the face. A missile that was meant for a Chinese balloon.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You vanished.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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There's nothing to even test.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Bro, you get hit in the face with a missile. There's nothing left.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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There's nothing left. They don't even know you were there. You just, you got ate by wolves. Who knows what happened to you?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You're gone. There's nothing. You're pink mist. They're going to scrape you off the leaves, do a DNA test. Yeah, dude.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Okay, let's imagine that Beirut bomb.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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That Beirut bomb.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You don't do anything.

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You don't do a thing. You just go, oh, no, and then you vaporize. You prepare yourself for the next dimension. How long do you get? You don't get any time at all. It just happens so fast. If you're in the epicenter of one of those bombs and it just goes off, you don't have any time. It's just, boom, vaporize. The whole city's vaporized.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You might live. Who knows? You might be behind a fucking building and the building might stay up and you just get your eardrums blown out and you get the kind of concussion that you usually get from a horrible car accident. Who knows? I would imagine there's like a level where you could be far enough away where it's not death, like instant death. But where's that level? Where is it?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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It's not close. Close, you're dead for sure. So how far out do you have to be where now you're deaf for the rest of your life? Now you can't see. Who knows? Now you have no memory of your childhood. It's like a concussion of epic proportions, even if you survive, depending upon how far out you are. And then you get far out enough that it doesn't affect you at all. You can see it from a distance.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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That's got to be crazy, too, to know that you could have just been over there and you would have been vaporized. Do you hear about the dude that survived Hiroshima and then he went to Nagasaki to work and then he survived Nagasaki?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Still alive? Still alive. I think he died recently. But this dude, he went from, yeah, I think he died a while ago now that I'm thinking about it. This dude went, he was in Hiroshima. Bomb blew up. Killed, you know, how many people? 150,000 people instantaneously. He escapes, gets out, goes to Nagasaki to work. Nagasaki gets hit.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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What's his name?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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There's been quite a few fires named Yamaguchi. Two files. Less than two miles from the blast zones of Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings have miraculously survived both without debilitating injuries. My double radiation exposure is now an official government record, Yamaguchi said. I can tell you the younger generation the horrifying history of the atomic bombings even before I die.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Wow, he lived, he died of stomach cancer at 93. Oh, my God. That's incredible he lived that long.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Stomach cancer. One of us because of the bomb. I mean, he died at 93.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Do I think we should have dropped the bomb on people? No.

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No, it's fucking insane.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Bro, look at this. No, go go up go up go up He opposed the country's role in World War two and became so despondent about the war that he considered killing his wife and infant son with sleeping pills if Japan lost Holy fuck dude company man. Jesus Christ. That's so scary heartbreaking So this guy was lit with a blaze the lightning of a huge magnesium flare. Oh

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Oh, my God. He saw the Enola Gay fly over Hiroshima and drop an item carried by two parachutes. Suddenly, he said, the sky lit with a blaze. Oh, my God.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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I should probably get one, but I really think that if a nuclear war breaks out, you really want to be, like, right where the nuke hits.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You don't want to be... You don't want to live in a zombie apocalypse, like, post-war. What am I... I think I fainted for a while. The ground roared and an ear-shattering noise ripped through the air, tossing Yamaguchi into the air as a fireball imploded overhead. He was dropped face first into a muddy furrow. The protective measures he took likely saved his life.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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A woman who had been walking beside him shortly before the blast disappeared altogether. Wow. I think I fainted for a while. When I opened my eyes, everything was dark. I couldn't see much. It was like the start of a film at the cinema before the picture has begun, when the blank frames are just flashing up without any sound.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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The only thing that keeps society together is power. As soon as power goes out, you have no electricity, you have no cooling. So you can't stay in places where it's too hot and you can't live in places where it's too cold. You're in a bad spot there. So then if you're living in a place where it's too cold, you're heavily dependent upon firewood. So a big part of your day is getting firewood.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Fuck, dude. Look at it look like. Fuck.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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And no one's ever done this before that we know of on Earth. And then they just decided to drop it on a city. Jesus. And they did it again. Boom, boom.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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That movie's crazy. Is it? It's crazy. Yeah, because you get to see, first of all, that dude, Cillian Murphy, that guy's incredible. He's incredible. Yeah, he's good. That's the dude from the Peaky Blinders?

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He's so good. He's such a good actor. And so he like nailed this tortured genius Oppenheimer and this creation that he made.

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Well, also you have to do it because if you don't do it, if the Germans get it, they're going to kill everybody. Still wounded and heavily bandaged, Yamaguchi returned to work on August 9, the day Nagasaki was bombed.

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He was providing his supervisor a detailed account of the Hiroshima bombing when the landscape outside the office suddenly lit up in a blinding light and Yamaguchi fell to the floor as shockwaves destroyed the windows. Suddenly, the same white light filled the room, he later recalled. I thought the mushroom cloud had followed me from Hiroshima. Wow.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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His wife was soaked in black rain and was poisoned, as their daughter later recalled. In the subsequent weeks, Yamaguchi suffered high fever, severe hair loss, continuous vomiting, and other symptoms from radiation poisoning. God.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Yeah, what keeps us together is electricity right now the way society is structured We are so dependent upon electricity that without electricity. We don't have anything. We don't have any cooling We have no ice we have no way of Processing water. Yeah We're fucked. Without electricity, we have no transportation. We're really fucked without electricity.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Electricity without oil, without any fuel at all, we're doomed. We're fucking doomed. And all we have is burning things.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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As soon as people ran out of food, and that doesn't take long. That's a few days. It's a few days. And then everyone's like, oh, I'm going to get a rifle, learn how to hunt. Good luck.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You have to make sure you have enough. If you're living in Siberia, you have to have a fucking shit pile of firewood and you never let that fire go out.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Now, by the way, if everybody goes hunting, here's the dirty secret about hunting. The reason why hunting works is because everybody doesn't hunt. If everybody hunted, there'd be no more animals. They almost did that in the 1800s, man. They started doing what they call market hunting. And market hunting almost wiped out everything in this country.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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It almost wiped out all the elk, wiped out most of the buffalo, almost wiped out white-tailed deer.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Yeah, man, because people were hunting them.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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As much as they wanted. There was no regulation, and they were selling the meat, and there was no refrigeration, so you have to kill them all the time. So they would hire professional hunters, and that's how they would get their meat, and they were just devastating populations of animals. I mean, you've seen the piles of buffalo bones, right? Terrifying.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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They killed millions of buffalo in a few years. They brought the herds down to nothing in a few years. Got that close to total extinction. And was that because people were like expanding west and they needed food? They needed food. They needed the skins. They wanted the tongues. Pickled tongues was a big delicacy on the East Coast. So it would shoot them for their tongue only, which is crazy.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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So you're taking one of the biggest animals that lives in North America and you're slaughtering it just for the smallest organ or the smallest thing, their tongue. Yeah. So people did that already. And if there's no power, there's not enough food. There's just not.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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We don't have enough wild game for 330 million people for a year. Forget about forever.

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Ever. You need to have a bunch.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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We don't. We definitely don't. We definitely 100% don't. And the only reason why you can have these giant populations of people like Los Angeles, the only way you can have that is farmers.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You have to have farmers. You have to have people that are fucking fully dedicated 24 hours a day to growing animals and food all the time to supply those people.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You gotta keep that fucking fire going, man. Because if you're stuck out there and it's 70 degrees below zero, like, you'll die.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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So if you looked at the amount of farmers versus the amount of people that they feed, it's crazy.

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Crazy. So if all that's gone, then all those people have no food. And then where are they getting it? Are they going to be willing to, like, how are they going to learn how to herd cattle?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Well, they're going to be killed, most likely.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Yeah.

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For a while. You know, how long can you hold off millions of people with guns? The United States has more guns than most of the world. We have 40% of the firearms on earth today.

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book yeah we can do it for a while I guess see if that statistic is true I believe it is I think the American people have an exponential number in comparison to every other country we're we have so much more weapons in any other country and I think we have more guns than the entire Chinese army by a large no way really yeah by a large amount they're just the American population

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Well, you're not going to get rid of guns altogether. You're not going to eliminate the technology, right? So the technology, if it exists, someone's going to have the guns. Who's going to have those guns? Well, you're going to have the government's going to have the guns.

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So you're basically giving the guns to people that are known liars who've been manipulating and controlling people from the beginning of time. You can't have that. And the reason why the United States has such a unique freedom is is because the First Amendment is protected by the Second Amendment. Didn't Chris Rock have a bit about that? I believe he did.

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I believe Chris Rock had a bit about that.

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I think he did.

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And a lot of these guys aren't using matches to start fires either. Because, you know, that's one of the things that survivalists will tell you is, like, you're gonna run out of matches. You should learn how to start a fire without matches. So you gotta learn how to start a fire with steel and flint. I don't know how. It's fucking not easy, man. There's some fire starters you can get.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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His dog's over there snoring. You know why? Because he could sleep well. There's hard men out there with pistols protecting that little dog. Dogs used to protect us. Carl ain't protecting nobody. Carl bites me full blast every day.

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He doesn't hurt you.

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No, he's adorable.

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But you know what I'm saying? We need to protect Carl. He can't protect us. That's how soft people have gotten. Listen to him over there snoring. You hear him?

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When Lee gets too many edibles, they're back. The Church of What's Happening Now is back.

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I was telling Joey for a while, I orchestrated getting the two of them together at the mothership. I'm like, I've got to get you guys together. I was putting it in his ear. I'm like, Joey, you guys have got to bring the band back. He goes, we're going to. We're going to. We're going to. Joey and Lee in California, when they had that show, it was in this weird little office building.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Oh, that's okay.

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There was a bunch of podcasts that were being done in a couple areas like that in California where they had little podcast studio places where several sets would be. It was so much fun. But those guys, they'd always ran into some money problem. There was always like some producer that was taking too much money and they wanted control of the show.

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And I ran into so many dudes that had podcast deals that went south. And it was, again, the same kind of thing. Power and corruption.

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There was so many guys who had podcast deals. And then the people that they did this, that had this network wound up owning their podcast and selling their podcast. And they were like, what the fuck? They just got robbed.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You got literally robbed.

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Yeah, but they stole your ad revenue, right?

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Yeah, man, there was a lot of dirty business in the podcast world. It was dark. Well, it's the Wild West, right? It was a completely new thing, and all of a sudden, when the money spigot opened, it just opened, like, whoo! Like, I made no money for, like, five years. I just did it for funsies. And then all of a sudden, the spigot just opened.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Right now, I have the most open spigot.

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They're pretty good.

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Thank you.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Well, you got to keep your foot on the gas, son. That's the thing about podcasts or anything else. When you've got, you're essentially, you're running a business, right? What is the business? The business is interesting content. All right. How much are you actually interested in interesting content? Because if you're not, it's not going to work. So you've got to be fully interested, which I am.

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That's where I'm lucky. I'm lucky that I'm interested in all these things.

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Pay attention to this shit. Even if I wasn't talking about it, I'd be watching podcasts on this kind of shit because I'm interested. I'm interested in ancient civilizations. I'm interested in cultures.

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I've done it, yeah. I've started fires with these little flint sticks. So it's like a piece of steel and a piece of flint. And there's these little things called fire starters. And some people make them too. One of the ways they make them is they take cotton balls, like cotton swabs. And they soak them in Vaseline. And so then you take tinder. So you have like some people use steel wool.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You had a... Oh, there's a bunch of Delta 8 out here.

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Red Band's a connoisseur. He'll tell you what the good ones are.

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Yeah, I had to be. I'm not interested in painting.

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No, man. If I was going to retire, I would just bow hunt and play pool. That's what I would do. If I said I don't want to do anything for money from now on, I would bow hunt and play pool. I try to play pool for money, but I'll never win any money. I can never beat the best guys.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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If pool was a legitimate sport when I was in my 20s, 100% I would have become a professional pool player. 100%. I wanted to play pool all the time because it was a population of misfits. That's what it was. It wasn't just the game itself. It was the misfits. I always felt like a misfit. When I was a kid, I felt like a misfit. Moved around a lot. My parents broke up when I was young.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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I never felt like I fit in anywhere until I started hanging around the pool hall. I was like, oh, these guys are just like me. They're all people that they're just too ADD to ever keep a real job. They're just nutty people. And they all had like different things that they did for money. But what they were really obsessed with was that game, was playing pool and going to pool halls.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Because you'd go to pool halls and it was a bunch of guys like you. Just a bunch of weirdos who just wanted to laugh and have fun and play this game.

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The problem with Peyton is, you know, look, I love art. If I was called to paint, like if it felt like something, maybe I would get into doing it. But that's not what I'm interested in right now. you know?

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Maybe I would be, but I don't think so. You know, I think, I think if I retire, I'm just going to pursue interests. I'm just going to like learn languages and shit and just do something different. Yeah. I don't think, uh, when I stopped doing this, I'm ever going to do anything else publicly. I probably won't, I won't want to anymore.

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I'll get to a point where I think a lot of people get to where they just like, eh, I'm one off this ride.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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I'm wearing a disguise right now. Like tall Biden. Remember when they had the fake Biden? Was that real?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Get fucked, man. A tall guy pretending to be Biden. 100% wasn't Biden. The CIA has had super sophisticated outfits. Look, have you seen Adam Ray when he dresses up like Dr. Phil?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Pretty fucking good. We did the HGV. I saw that Biden he did.

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And I think they definitely did that. Fuck. Who's doing that?

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America. We're protecting you, Theo Vaughn. We can't have China think that our president is down and that Kamala Harris is running the military. Come on, son. We know what we're doing. Pull up the photo. What about the video of the tall Biden? Because there ain't no way it's the same dude. Because he wasn't even a little taller. Bring that honky up. You know what I'm saying?

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It wasn't like the president. It wasn't like, you know, it was like Bobby Lee next to Ari. Yeah. I was like, something is different. Not the same guy. He's so much taller. He was like six inches taller. Like not a little taller. And they're like, we got nobody? No, we got nobody. Look at the size of this motherfucker. Oh, get fucked. That's not real, dude. That's real. Look at the size.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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They use different things that you can like there's you can you can make it with like shavings and dry the shavings out. And then you slowly get little sparks onto those shavings and whoosh. And then once you get it going, then you put some little sticks on, then you put some bigger sticks on, now you have a fire. Yeah.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Who the fuck is that? Look at the size of his legs. Is that Will Ferrell? Bro, that guy's a basketball player. They got some. Look at the difference in size. So that's the real Biden. And Trump really met him? And that's the real Obama, right? Real Obama, real Biden. Now give me fake Biden again. No, no, no, fake one. The giant. No, no, no, no, no. The giant one when he's walking around. This one.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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This video. Who is that? Bro, look at how much taller he is than Jill. He's never that much taller than Jill. Jill's wearing heels, son. Look at her heels. See her heels elevated in the back? She's wearing heels. He's towering over her. That's a giant Biden. That's Sasquatch.

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Do people have done a comparison to his height compared to what he normally is?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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He votes like this.

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He can't wait to vote for Pete Buttigieg. They roll them out there.

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Whoever is letting him fucking pardon 8 million people.

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Bro, he's pardoned more people than anybody ever by a long shot. He's got Alzheimer's.

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Did he? That can't be real.

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That's a good thing that he's doing that, but he's still pardoned more people than anybody ever.

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He'll be a guest on this podcast with a knee brace.

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pistol on his hip with that whip yeah he'll try to fuck Jamie for sure he's gonna fucking slurp on somebody he again lobbies for presidential pardon Jamie what are the odds this guy tries to fuck you if we bring him in the studio no way it's 100% not that he's going to fuck you no way would he that'd be the first one on his list out of all the people in the building yeah yeah yeah you're the guy who moves on there's a couple other people no no no no we'll hold him back by the hips we'll have ground he moves on you we'll have side control on him but he moves on you you're a nice guy I shaved my mustache yeah maybe that's what it is the mustache

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E554 Joe Rogan

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He's trying. He's trying, but they're not going to let him out. Maybe they should. I don't know.

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And they say that you should know how to do that because you don't want to be on that last match going, fuck, fuck. You have to know how to actually start a fire. The best way is with tools. I tried to start a fire when I was in the Boy Scouts with the bow. I don't know if you ever did that one. There's a stick and you wrap it.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Sell his own stuffed animals. Yeah. Open his own Build-A-Bear. Build-A-Tiger. You know? He's just in there helping you stuff it? Yeah, you stuff it, and then the little recording thing, when you have the little thing in there where you press the button and it gives a little recording. One of my kids, I used to have one for one of my daughters, where she'd squeeze it and say, Daddy loves you.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Oh, that's sweet. It was adorable. That's what he's going to do. He's going to do that for people. Same thing. I want to suck your cock.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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No, he didn't. Look at that. Please repost, comment, and tag anyone if you can show support right now more than ever. Why am I in the back? Is that really true? That's a real photo. You don't forget it happening? You don't remember that podcast? That was right after you did Bernie Sanders. That guy came in. What is it like for you? Can I ask you this? You're interviewing legitimate people now.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You interviewed Trump. You interviewed Bernie Sanders. You interviewed, who else? J.D. Walsh. Who else did you interview? You've interviewed a lot of very interesting people.

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You're doing a great job. Cause you, I mean, you get silly, you're still yourself, you know, you're still silly, but you're having like real conversations with these people. Thanks. You know, Bobby Kennedy.

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Like, what was the trap?

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But your role as an important person.

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You start thinking about that because you're getting a lot of views. Right.

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I got it to smoke. I got blackness came out of it. I never got a fire. Damn. I never got it to the point where I could light something on fire there.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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So that's the key is like knowing when to just listen, when to, when to try to be funny, just fuck around, learn how to be yourself.

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And the more you do them, the more relaxed you get when you do them, you know?

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You know, there's that, you know, it gets, Oh yeah. Yeah.

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But I was also dumb. I didn't realize you got to put little tiny pieces of wood down in there once it starts going, then blow on it. I thought a fire was going to get going.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Um, but it should be super normal. That's really the appeal of all this that we do is that it is super normal. Is that a guy like you can have no pretense and just ask Bernie Sanders questions. Like why the fuck are they getting away with this? Like why, why is it structured this way?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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While these corporations stealing all this money and fucking everybody out, all these, you know, why was, why is this happening?

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And those are, if you can have those real conversations, this is the only place where they exist. You're never going to get these kind of conversations on a late night talk show. You're not going to get them. They don't have these kind of, it's not possible. You can't go into depth about things. There's no way you can go for hours and hours just talking to people. You can't do it.

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Well you seem like you're having a good time Yeah, and you're doing a great job You really are and you're getting really good at it like the more you do it the better you get at it You can really tell there's a lot of good people podcasting now. It's an awesome time you and Tim Dylan So did that episode the last one you guys did he's the best he's the absolute best at the rant and Nobody else.

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No champ like him. He's the number one. He's the Michael Jordan of the rant.

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Well, you never saw the gym before. I can't believe you never saw the gym.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Does it make you want to move here?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Get yourself a nice Texas girl.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Ladies, let's put that energy out there. Get Theo a nice Texas girl. I know they're out here. There's a ton of them out here. This is the greatest place in the world to be a single guy like you. Is it? Yeah.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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People are friendly. They're genuinely friendly. And they're not friendly because they want something from you like L.A., They're not friendly because you're famous and friendly because they want to get famous, too. They're just friendly.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Just nice people living their life.

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Theo Vaughn, I love you to death.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Look at him over there. Powerful call. Does he wake yet? He's waiting. He's waiting.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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He wakes up right around now. He's like, probably about time for me to get up and start terrorizing people again. Like China. All right. Bye, everybody.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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It's like Berenstain Bears, you know?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Oh, Jimmy came at you hard there.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Long Way to the Top. Yeah. Back in Black. Back in Black. Hell's Bells. Yeah, Hell's Bells. Yeah. Whole Lotta Rosie. I haven't heard that one, I don't think. Yeah, you have. You have.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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You know that song. Maybe I have heard it. You never heard that song? Come on, son. Say it again. Listen, give me a little Whole Lotta Rosie. You got to hear this. You never heard this song? There's no way you never heard this song. This is a Bon Scott ACDC classic, the early days.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Oh, we're in trouble already. I mean, it's his show. We're in trouble. It's your show.

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Hold on.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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They will come for you. Did you see that Facebook put out new standards today for content moderation?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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They're going to allow more free speech and allow people to not be restricted to talk about things were hot button issues before.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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So and they're gonna remove they're gonna remove the content moderation for a type of community notes Facebook and Instagram get rid of fact checkers met a problem with fact checkers is there's been a lot of fact checkers that were just wrong and it's very ideologically based Especially anything that has to do with climate change or anything that has to do with vaccines or anything that has to do with anything pharmacologically

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E554 Joe Rogan

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It's probably not good for business to keep that bias. They're in a business. Their business is social media. And if Twitter sets a standard, which it clearly does. So Twitter is the most wild of all big platforms. You can get away with a lot of shit on Twitter. That has not been the case with Facebook or Instagram.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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And if Twitter continues to have the kind of engagement that it has because it lets people go wild – and I know there's a lot of criticisms about even Twitter's content moderation, but everybody has to admit it's certainly better than everywhere else. Yeah. It's like – There's a dispute now about whether or not people should be demonetized, right?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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If you're allowed to speak on the platform, if they can say, you're saying things we don't like, we're going to be able to take away your ability to make money. Well, you're kind of censoring people in a way. Totally. Because you're enforcing self-censorship.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Because they're not going to say those inflammatory things anymore because then they need an Adrian Dittman account, right?

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E554 Joe Rogan

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Talk some shit. Blow a little steam off.

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E554 Joe Rogan

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It certainly is. That was the problem with Google's Gemini when it first came out. You know, Google's Gemini, when it first came out, they said make images of Nazi soldiers. They had multicultural Nazi soldiers. Did you see that?

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Breaking up with Ukraine

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Zelensky, can I get a drug test? This is like cocaine-like behavior. Putin's fucking scared, man. Putin's terrified. We got him, man. We got him. Like, what are you talking about? He has nuclear missiles, you fucking monkeys. Jesus Christ.