Joe Rogan
Appearances
Candace
BREAKING: Judge Makes Statement Regarding Taylor Swift's Text Messages. | Candace Ep 155
It's just so hard to believe that people are that evil. But they have been throughout history. This is why it's weird. It's like we'll look back on the Victorian era or we'll look back on the – the man-boy love of the Socrates era. We'll go, that's just back then. We've evolved now. We don't do that anymore.
Candace
BREAKING: Judge Makes Statement Regarding Taylor Swift's Text Messages. | Candace Ep 155
But when they've identified specific aspects of traumatic past that they can use these particular victims of trauma, of childhood trauma, and take them and turn them into weapons, that's so wild. But that's... That is an asset, right?
Candace
BREAKING: Judge Makes Statement Regarding Taylor Swift's Text Messages. | Candace Ep 155
If you got someone who's so f***ing crazy, you could talk to them and get them to do things and give them acid and get them to Sirhan Sirhan levels or whatever the f*** they did to Jack Ruby.
Candace
Russell Brand Charged | Ryan Reynolds Caught | Candace Ep 172
The Candace Owens show that's on YouTube. Yeah, that's right. And it's doing better numbers than any of the shows on cable news. It's phenomenal. It's like they created a monster with her. When they fired her from the Daily Wire, they created a monster. Yeah, they sure did. She can't be stopped. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no.
Candace
Russell Brand Charged | Ryan Reynolds Caught | Candace Ep 172
Six hours plus long. I don't know if she's even kind of right about that. I think she's right. But she's got a lot of shit to say on it. Bro, she would be getting sued right now instead of trying to bribe her. Instead of trying to give her money to shut the fuck up. Yeah. They would sue her. Yeah. Nope. You're probably right about that. I don't know if they are suing her.
Candace
Russell Brand Charged | Ryan Reynolds Caught | Candace Ep 172
Have they tried to file anything? They probably have. They probably filed some bullshit lawsuits, too. I'm sure she's dealing with several. But I'm pretty sure she's right. I don't know. I might be wrong. I think she's right. The whole thing stinks.
Candace
Russell Brand Charged | Ryan Reynolds Caught | Candace Ep 172
And what stinks way worse than that giant distraction is that the number one opponent for Macron just got sentenced to four years in jail and barred from political life for five years.
Candace
Russell Brand Charged | Ryan Reynolds Caught | Candace Ep 172
Winning. Yeah. It's f***. crazy. It's what they try to do to Trump plus.
Candace
Russell Brand Charged | Ryan Reynolds Caught | Candace Ep 172
That's the thing about Candace.
Consider This from NPR
They want America to have more babies. Is this their moment?
That's a lot better than I thought.
Consider This from NPR
They want America to have more babies. Is this their moment?
We care about whether we're seen as a good person, whether others see us as a good person, and whether we feel like good people.
KILL TONY
#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE
You need some confidence. You need something to give you unreasonable confidence. I should have done a couple lines.
KILL TONY
#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE
You ever been in a corn maze? What I meant by, is it a problem dating? Like, how do other people feel about it? Do they have a problem getting close to you? Say that once more. Do other people have a problem getting close to you with your fucking crazy eyes?
KILL TONY
#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE
I want to call a game warden right now. I don't know what the fuck you did, but this is America. We don't eat dogs, and you can't shoot babies. Piece of shit.
KILL TONY
#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE
Okay, Carly Rose. There you go. Now I know why those other guys were angry.
KILL TONY
#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE
Let's check in with Joe Rogan here. Joe, what do you think? I was just going to say, Red Band, a boy can dream.
KILL TONY
#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE
Why is your hole infected again? Shots. All the years he spent in medical school, fucking carefully stitching her together.
KILL TONY
#704 - HEB ARENA NIGHT ONE
Stay safe in those streets. I feel like I know too much. I feel like I don't know enough.
Search Engine
The New Zuckerberg
I walked in here today, you look thicker. You look like a different guy. You do. You look like a jiu-jitsu guy now. It's funny. I saw your neck. I'm like, his neck's bigger. Your neck is bigger. Good.
Search Engine
The New Zuckerberg
Who is they? Who's telling you to take down things that talk about vaccine side effects?
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2134 - Democrats Fear BIG BALLS!
You're seeing a politician, a president, who's coming in who can't get re-elected, so he's just going ham. And he's just cleaning out everything. And people are freaking out. The same people that say we need radical change. We need radical change. We've got corruption. We need radical change. Okay, well here's your radical change.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2134 - Democrats Fear BIG BALLS!
don't need this but you do the government does they need oversight and they haven't had that and because of that you're seeing this not just waste you could call it waste but it's it's deeper it's deeper than waste it's corruption and you're seeing that that corruption get weeded out i am hoping that this is successful and that it yields a benefit to the american people to the working class people to everybody where they recognize like hey
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2134 - Democrats Fear BIG BALLS!
We can't just be spending all our tax money on nonsense.
The Bulwark Podcast
Alex Wagner: The Poster Child for Corruption and Grift
This other thing about Elon. Elon's going to steal everybody's money. He has $400 billion. I'm telling you he's not going to steal your money. I'm telling you that's not what he's doing. What he's doing is he's a super genius that's been fucked with.
The Bulwark Podcast
Alex Wagner: The Poster Child for Corruption and Grift
And when you've been fucked with by these nitwits that hide behind three-letter agencies and you're dealing with one of the smartest people alive and he helps Donald Trump get in office and he goes, I want to find out what kind of corruption is really around. Well, you fucked up. You fucked up and picked the wrong psychopath on the spectrum because he's going to hunt you down.
The Bulwark Podcast
Alex Wagner: The Poster Child for Corruption and Grift
He's going to find out what's going on. And that's good. That's good for everybody. That's how you should be looking at this. Like, wow, we have a brilliant mind that is examining these really fucking corrupt and goofy systems. and bringing in a bunch of psychopath wizards. Is that how this works?
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1010: Bill Kristol: Stiffen Your Spines, Democrats
No, that's not controversial at all. And this is the thing, you know, measured twice, cut once. This is the, like, this is kind of crazy. That that could be possible. That's horrific. And that's, again, that's bad for the cause. Like, the cause is, let's get the gang members out. Everybody agrees. But what's not innocent gay hairdressers get lumped up with the gangs? And then, like, how long...
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1010: Bill Kristol: Stiffen Your Spines, Democrats
before that guy can get out. Can we figure out how to get him out? Is there any plan in place to alert the authorities that they've made a horrible mistake and correct it?
The Daily
Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.
Just want to see, do you own a suit?
The Daily
Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.
A lot of Americans have problems with you not respecting the dignity of this office.
The Daily
Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.
I was 100% a left-leaning person who lived in Los Angeles. I never voted Republican my whole life. I was very left-leaning. But California went nuts, man.
The Daily
Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.
Well, they canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president, correct? No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it.
The Daily
Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.
We need like a realist, someone who's like conservative fiscally and understands foreign policy and how to deal with dictators.
The Daily
Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.
It's so insane that that's been going on for so long.
The Daily
Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.
Sounds like it's feeding hungry people. People are going to starve, Elon. This is horrible. And then you find out, actually, it's like $250 million for transgender animal studies.
The Daily
Nixon Dreamed of Breaking the Media. Trump Is Doing It.
Everybody should be celebrating that we've found a way to cut out fraud and waste. Yeah. If you pay taxes and you don't like that you have to pay so much in taxes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & DOGE & Tell with Mina Kimes, Dan Le Batard, and Pablo Torre
He's starving mothers. There's mothers that can't get food. Totally false. That's all you're hearing. No one's talking in any of these mainstream liberal talk shows. No one is talking about all this fraud and waste.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
If you had one piece of footage or image to release, would there be one that really stands out? Like if they said, look, you could release this one, just one of these classified high-resolution videos, is there one that really stands out as being unique?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
When you hear about that story, the big thing was that there was some sort of crazy electrical storms that night. But again, if you're going to have a Tesla, you would assume the wheels won't fly off when it rains. You're going to come here from another planet. What's on that planet? Well, they occasionally have lightning. Well, let's not fuck around if they have lightning.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So the speculation is that they're hiding in plain sight in the water or is the speculation that there's always been a civilization down there?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Ancient Origins. Is it a crackpot site? No, it just doesn't give the vibes of a place to start looking for relevant information.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
How fast is this thing supposedly going?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Let's not go into the storm. If you're in a plane, you can go above the storm. You know how, like, a pilot says, we're going to take this plane above 45,000 feet to let you know, and then you look down, you can see lightning below you in the clouds. It's kind of crazy. How come they can't do that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, listen, I want to thank you guys for having the courage to even talk about this because I know it brings with it a lot of ridicule. And for people like me that have no idea what's going on, it's very fascinating. You know a lot more than most. Well, I still don't know anything, though, so that's not good. Because I know more than most.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, but I mean, all I know is what people have told me, so I don't know what's real and what's not real, you know?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
But I appreciate you guys very much, and thank you for being here. If you've got social media, tell everybody where they can get a hold of you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Ah, okay. Where do they get a hold of James? Is James Fox director, I think, on Instagram? I believe so.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
All right. Beautiful. Well, thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate it. Thanks for being here.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I understand. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Right. I would assume they like you were talking about arrogance. I would assume they don't have that anymore. Like, no, it's not working. Work that out of the system. We should work it out of the system.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, it seems like if you want to go and do something, anything, like you want to explore the universe, you want to accomplish things, you want to make technology, it almost seems like some kind of self-acknowledgement or some kind of ego has to be present. Yes. Like otherwise there's no motivation to do anything. Like this was the question about artificial intelligence.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
We were talking about this, and I said, but if artificial intelligence doesn't have any human needs, it doesn't have the desire to spread its DNA, it doesn't have the desire to achieve status, why would it do anything? Why wouldn't it just sit there and just observe and just watch us be stupid?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And maybe it would say logically it would interfere if we were about to blow each other up or something crazy like that. Right. But other than that, why would it do anything? Why would it have any desire to take over?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Oh, boy. So let's start with you, Jay. What was your first introduction to this whole concept that we are in possession of alien crafts or that we have communicated or there's been some contact? What was your thoughts about it before you had these experiences?
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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Okay. Joe, what's happening? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, Steve. Both you guys were in the program, which is a UFO disclosure documentary all about what's going on behind the scenes. Why don't you tell everybody before we get started? Jay, tell them what your background is, what you do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
They have to, right? If they're exploring, why else would they explore? So whatever it is that made us us, you know, from ancient primates to what we are today— a big part of that is all these needs and desires. And you got to wonder like at some point in time, Does that get engineered out of the biological system?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And if it does, that system seems like it wouldn't need to explore at all unless it's facilitating a process. Unless there's a very delicate process where advanced life forms like ourselves are experiencing this new technology. And a lot of the people that are in possession of the technology aren't even the ones who created it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So they have all this insane responsibility but they've done none of the work and they have power over this technology, which is where we find ourselves today, which is real weird. Imagine that's a process that all intelligent life goes through as it's evolving all throughout the universe. Maybe they know this. Maybe it's a precarious thing and maybe it has to be monitored because like, oh –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
You know, Star 15. Remember that third planet? Yeah, they fucking whacked the whole planet.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Got there too late. And they realized, oh, that took like four billion years to make intelligent life that could figure out cell phones. And these dipshits blew each other up. Yeah. And now there's nothing but, you know, microbes. And it's going to take billions of years. And it might not even work because they might be too far from the sun by then. Now for another test case.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So let's prevent these territorial primates from killing each other. And just maybe that's a thing that they do throughout the universe like farmers. Like, you know, make sure the wolves don't eat the calves. You know, just like protect it until it gets to this next stage.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So how long have they supposedly been having these interactions with NHIs?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Imagine a UFO talking to Trump. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He'd probably try to tax them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Right. So there's the idea that our superiors, that the military, the top levels of government, even they are not given all the information. Correct. Because probably we're like a bunch of children. We're like, you're too stupid to figure this out. I'm not going to tell you what a nuclear bomb is. Just duck and cover.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, perhaps. I mean, listen, we run experiments all the time on animals. All the time. And we have collars on bears. We set them loose. Like, let's follow the bear. Where's he going? We do that all the time. We do that with all kinds of species. Yeah, we do. It only makes sense that they would do it with us. Especially since we literally have the ability to annihilate all life on Earth.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It's a mad, mad world. I had that argument with Neil deGrasse Tyson. He was like, why would they be interested in us? I'm like, what are you talking about? We go to the jungle to study a frog. Like, of course they would come here. We're so strange.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
You know they believe they found actual water on Mars, not frozen water now? Yeah, on the poles. Yeah, I heard about that. That's nuts. Yeah. Because if there's actual water in there and they can find something in that water that's alive.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Bro, I ain't drinking Mars water. I don't drink tap water and I definitely ain't drinking Mars water.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Imagine. Bro, imagine if it's like filled with crazy minerals and you drink a glass of Mars water and you just feel incredible. And then we have to ship Mars water from Mars back to L.A.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
What if Mars water just makes you go back in time? You look 20 again. Yeah. Yeah. You know?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
What I'm really curious about is what was Mars like before it lost its atmosphere? Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And was there a time a few billion years ago where Mars was like Earth?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
That's the craziest of all theories, right? And the most interesting. But if Earth still exists five billion years from now and now it's cold and dead and there's nothing, how much would be left? How much is left after a couple of billion years? What is really left over? What does it look like? Does it look like Mars? Because Mars looks completely desolate. But we know that Mars had water.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And we know Mars had a warmer climate. So you kind of just assume there was something growing there. What does it look like a couple of billion years later? Probably like Mars. Which is great.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
If we do find out that Mars at one point in time housed biological life or maybe there's microbial life or something like that that still exists on Mars, just the climate is so harsh it can't advance past that stage, that alone would just change our whole view of the universe itself because we would start to consider, okay, maybe this isn't just this one thing that happened.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Maybe the Fermi paradox is just that we don't have the ability to detect all these things that are out there. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
We're fucking shooting fireworks on Fourth of July. We're nuts. We're the craziest species on this planet by far. Everything else is normal. Everything else just kills what it wants to eat. Everything else, you know, does normal stuff. They fight over resources, but that kind of makes sense biologically.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I think if you branch out into the solar system and then into the galaxy, like as you start spreading out, if you do become some sort of an interstellar species, you kind of have to be united as a planet. Right? You got to go, look, all this bullshit about this country and that country. Let's let it go. Let's let it go.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I mean, I don't want one world government because I don't trust the government. But if I did trust the government, I'd be like, one world government is the way to go. Everybody should have the same resources. Everybody should have the same access. Exactly. healthy food and water and clean air. It should be the same for everybody.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It shouldn't be that you can make an iPhone in China because they can make it for 15 cents because people are working like slaves. Exactly. It shouldn't be like that. It should be like the whole world has the same rules. But the problem is you can't trust the government. So what do you do?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, if you get to a point where everybody's so advanced that we don't have all of the same greed and lust and all the bullshit that ruins human society, if aliens get to that point, then it only makes sense that they would operate as a planet. But then they would have their interest ahead of these fuckers on that other planet.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Push that microphone a little closer to you. I'm sorry. The hand moves. You can push it if you want to sit back.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
What I'm interested in is are there things just like us? Is this like if you – you know, like there's similar plants that exist in similar ecosystems all over the world where ideally the seeds have never been able to get back and forth. But they're similar, at least in some ways. It's just a matter of climate, resources.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
These plants, over millions and millions of years, these same kind of plants grow. Similar kind of animals. There's rats all over the place. There's a pattern to it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Something similar, like, I mean, the birds vary so wide. I mean, you can get a sparrow, you can get a fucking eagle or a condor. There's so many different kinds of birds, too. But I wonder, is there... Is this the only kind of way life evolves, or are there planets that are just radically different than our planet, and life forms in a completely different way?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, it could be genetic engineering too. It could be that they – I was going to mention that. They reach some point where they say, well, what's the best structure for a body? A mantis structure is way better than a person's structure. We break so easy. Mantis are insanely strong. You ever see a mantis catch a hummingbird at a feeder?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It's nuts, man. Taking out tarantulas and scorpions. They're so little. And they just snatch that fucker up and he can't move. If you looked at them, the hummingbird is probably four times heavier at least, probably more than that. And he's just like whoosh. Gotcha. It's like that design, the exoskeleton design is superior in terms of like durability.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And also lobsters and crabs and all these kind of insects like that. Do demantis regrow limbs? Let's find that out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So they can. So praying mantas undergo incomplete metamorphosis. Sometimes if their cage is too dry, a mantis may have trouble shedding old skin, will lose a limb in the process of molting. If it happens, it's possible for a mantis to regrow the lost limb, but only when they molt again. Oh, okay. So they molt again and then they regrow that limb. That makes sense. But they do regrow their limbs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
They regenerate limbs as long as there's at least a coxa remaining, whatever that is. Yeah. It won't regenerate right away. Maybe a tiny nub and then they molt, I guess.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
But it just seems like that's a superior form of structure. So if you get to the point where technology is all done with the mind, right? We've developed artificial intelligence and quantum computing and the being has been generated over time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And your mother has the exact same recollection of the experience?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
genetic engineering to the point where it no longer has to have sex to recreate new versions of itself and so instead the way they procreate is they do it through design and maybe they say look it doesn't matter what you look like anymore no one's fucking let's all become mantises laughing Right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
This soft shit on the outside, we're like fucking water balloons. We're so vulnerable. Yeah. Wouldn't it be better if you're hard on the outside? We don't need to use your fingers and thumbs anymore. We do everything with our mind.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I mean, if it gets to the point... This is the thing that I've heard about people that have supposedly worked on crafts, is that one of the most remarkable things is that there's no... There's no gears. There's no levers to turn. There's no buttons. There's no controls. That everything is done somehow or another where the being and the craft are one. Yes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Have you talked to anybody that has said that any of the crafts have controls in them?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Two places for you to put your hands and maybe for other parts of the crew, but that's about it Maybe that's so you don't use your phone Distracted just use your hands put your hands down on the thing Yeah, maybe they have something similar to like cell phone addiction, yeah So they're putting their hands on the thing that wasn't that what Lazar said as well Didn't he say there was something similar to that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yes, he did Yeah, so no controls and somehow or another putting your hand on it syncs you up, and then they're just using their mind. Correct. Did they try to explain how this was developed?
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And so this was all when you were young, and so you had this memory in your head when you started working for the government. But when were you introduced to the whole idea that this is a real thing?
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So this is not the thing we're talking about with the helicopter?
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You know, we can do that to each other through threats. We can put fear into people. We can do that. You know, there's a crazy documentary called Holy Hell, and it's about this guy who is a cult leader. And one of the things that he would do to these people, he was a hypnotist, too. But one of the things he would do to these people, he called it the knowing.
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And he would put his hands on them, and they would say that they would experience God. They had to be prepared for it. It was a thing that was very difficult to get. He had to prove you for it, and all these people wanted it, and they never got it. It was like a thing he held over your head.
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And then when he actually did it, even though this guy turned out to be a complete fraud and the cult disbanded, all those people talk about that moment when they had that experience with that guy, and they say it really happened. Wow. Because the human mind is weird, right?
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And this is the best expression that you can have in life. What is the best expression you have in life? It's love. Pure love. Just pure. just untethered love. It would make sense. It would like put that in you so that you would protect this thing.
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When we visit uncontacted tribes, we give them free food. Yeah. We're just like, we're here for you guys.
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They're only seeing the military humans.
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People definitely want it. Whether they're ready for it, we'll find out if it actually becomes bigger and more profound than what we've currently experienced.
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So when you're saying that all these people have figured out these methods, how to communicate with the aliens, what you're talking about is like people sitting down. This is something I'm hearing a lot lately, sitting down and supposedly summoning them, putting out like an intention and that they will come. Yes. Does that happen with you? You ever try it? I haven't yet.
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Right. So if you summon the UFO, like if they come to visit you, that's meant to happen to you. But if you're summoning them. Yes.
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You may be causing a distraction. People say that, yeah, if I could experience UFO contact, I would. Well, would you really? Because that might fuck up the whole rest of your life. What if it does happen and then it never happens again? And then you have a wife and kids and a house and you just sit in your fucking living room trying to pay attention to this football game.
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So Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio and NHI non-human intelligence, right? That's correct. And so they were saying, what were they saying? How much can you say? Like, is any of this top secret or is any of this?
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When you're thinking about... I've seen a fucking alien. I've seen UFOs. They've come down and communicated with me telepathically. I know they're real.
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Was the shape the top like an iron as well?
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And you said you were like 10 as well? This is one of the things that I keep hearing about this idea that children and their innocence, they don't have this blockade in their head to keep them from... They don't think it's ridiculous to think about aliens. They're open to it more.
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That's crazy because all those years later they all have the same story. They all drew the same thing independently. They pulled them aside.
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Of course. So what was this talk of NHI? What did it entail when you first heard it?
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Well, now you know. Switch today at visible.com slash rogan. Terms apply. See visible.com for network management details. Well, the real question is how long have entities been visiting us and are the same entities visiting us over and over again? Or like the Zimbabwe incident, is that like the first time that species has ever been here?
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And did they just seek contact and didn't know that they're dealing with little children in a school? They just knew they were dealing with a group of intelligent beings that they could communicate with? They probably don't even have the concept of a school, right? Right. So if they're landing – I mean they probably understand basic culture for human beings.
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But as they land and interact with people, this might be the first time this species has interacted with anybody. We don't know. I mean we're dealing with hundreds of billions of stars just in this galaxy alone.
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Yo, pull that up, Jamie. Yeah. George Washington had a UFO encounter?
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He just said that this was— George Washington also had lead poisoning. Shane Gillis has the best bit about George Washington. I don't know if you've ever seen it. It's fucking hilarious. About going to the George Washington Museum and seeing George Washington's teeth. And George Washington's teeth— They're all wooden. Well, no. They were slave teeth.
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First of all, they knocked some of the teeth out of slaves' mouths, and the other ones were from horses. Oh, my gosh. And it was set in—it was all in lead. I never knew that. So he had lead in his mouth. I always thought they were wooden. So his joke is all about, like, George Washington being fucking mad with lead boys. Like, fucking killing everybody. That's why he's at the front of the boat.
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He was out of his fucking mind. It's a great bit, but the point is, like, George Washington was being poisoned by, you know, medical science at the time. They didn't know that lead was bad for you.
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Which is crazy. He kept lead in his mouth.
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I know, but, like, makes you wonder, like, what are we doing right now that the future people are going to go, these fucking idiots were doing that? Mm-hmm. But George Washington, have you found his account, Jamie? Not officially. So... I mean, it's from Ancient Aliens about the Founding Fathers. Good enough. Solid reference. Ancient Aliens. If it's on Ancient Aliens, it's legit. Yeah.
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Get Giorgio Tsoukalos to say it was wild hair.
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Are any of them, like, real exceptional? Are any of them, like, PhDs or something like that?
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The stigma's being lifted, but people still live with the haunting memory of the stigma being a part of their life. So I think people that have had an experience a long time ago, even though the stigma's lifted, they're still reluctant to talk about it. It's like... There's still people that are in the closet. Like homosexuality is like way less taboo than it's ever been in modern history, right?
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But yet there's still people that have been in the closet for 20 years and then trapped. And they're just like, fuck.
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They can't get out. I think for a lot of people that have had these crazy experiences, they probably had some moments where they told people, friends, and they got mocked and people called them liars. They felt like an idiot. Like, I'm just not telling anybody this anymore. Yep. Which totally makes sense.
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It's just human beings online, they're just not good at it. We're not good. It's too new. We suck at it. We're real shitty to each other. And too many people, it's like they're mentally ill. And what I mean by mentally ill is, like, if you're on Twitter 12 hours a day and you're constantly tweeting before you go to bed, you're mentally ill. You might not think you're mentally ill.
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Just like when you're an alcoholic, you're mentally ill. If you're a gambling addict, you're mentally ill. You're not well, right? You're fucking trying to bet your house on a football game. You're out of your fucking mind. You're addicted. Yeah, you're mentally ill. You're mentally ill if you're on Twitter all day just arguing with people. Mm-hmm.
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It's just the nature of the technology and the very crude way that people interact with each other, which leads you to think that as technology evolves and it gets to the point where we're communicating telepathy, through telepathy, telepathically, like supposedly they can, it sort of eliminates the need to even know our language.
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They can just come and give us thoughts and express things in a pure way without the need to decipher it through syntax and
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The craziest one, is it in Australia? The one that's on the wall where there's all these dudes with the big eyes?
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I saved one. I'll send it to you, Jamie, because I saw it the other day online, and it freaked me out so much. I saved it on my phone. I was like, this is so crazy just to look at.
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So you heard the recording. That's how you found out about this non-human intelligence thing.
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Well, because I just sent it to Jamie. We'll take a look at it right here. Jamie, you can run that through a Google search. You can find out where it is. Or I'll do that while you put it up on the screen. It freaks me out because these people were starving. These people were, like, barely getting by, right? They have stone tools.
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And they took the time to draw these things with these, like, weird helmets on and these big black eyes, which is fascinating. very similar to so many different encounters that people have. They all describe a very similar thing, a big head with giant black eyes.
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Yo. Well, that's the other question. Like, we're just sort of assuming that these things are definitely from another planet, that they're not here and they haven't been here all along.
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So, yeah, these are aboriginal drawings or aboriginal paintings. Yes. Yes. So this is from Australia, which is just wild. And you get them all over the world. All over the world. And real similar all over the world.
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Well, the ones that they saw in Varginha, Brazil, are kind of similar, but they seem like a darker color. It was almost like a purple, right?
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But they did have the black eyes and the large heads. They had horns, though.
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That's what the Varginia thing. Oh, that's the Dover demon.
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That looks like a shoe bill bird. That crazy bird.
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Imagine running into that thing in the night.
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Can you say how the conversation went? How did someone bring up non-human intelligence? Was there any discussion before this non-human intelligence of UFOs at all or aliens at all?
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Never sleep again. Yeah. Yeah. All I know is, like I told Travis- That does look a lot like the Virginia one, though. Yeah, it does. Go back to that last drawing you drew, Jamie. You pulled that, brother? Now, if you can, will you pull up the image of the Virginia drawing? Because they had an artist who talked to the little girls that saw that.
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And those women, and, you know, the really- Look at it. Come on, man. That looks exactly the same. Yeah, and there's those bumps on the head, though. Yeah, you can see that maybe that's- That's exactly the same fucking thing, man.
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How did that go? Well, I was doing it for a television show, and we interviewed a bunch of people that lived there, and one guy. There was a lot of people that they wanted to be interviewed, and then when we got there, they chickened out. It seemed like there might be some drug use going on in the surrounding areas.
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A few people seemed like a little on tilt, but I think that's a good part of America. I think there's a lot of people. You could find some packets of people in America that are just doing drugs. So I wouldn't say that that was what it was. But this one guy that I talked to didn't seem like that at all. He seemed very respectable.
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I don't remember what he did, but he was a very smart guy, blue collar guy and lived in this very modest house. And he had this story of this thing that flew into his yard and through his house. And he said it was a small orb and he said it seemed to be communicating with him. And this guy didn't have any other bullshit stories.
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He didn't have any claims of just this one experience that he said was beautiful. He said it was incredible that this thing seemed like it was alive. It seemed like it was communicating with him. And it went right through the walls. And it went through the wall again and disappeared.
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You have a fear of paranormal or a fear of being around the people that believe in paranormal?
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Yeah, he was the only guy that was compelling. There was a bunch of other people that had goofy stories of bulletproof wolves that appeared out of the mist and like, okay. They just seemed like some people just wanted to be on TV, which is normal, right? You show up with cameras, people tell stories. And this is another show that I worked on once.
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It was called Game Show in My Head, and this is pretty funny. We told people so there was a the game show was we would take a contestant the contestant knew that they're gonna pull pranks on people but they didn't know what the prank was gonna be and so we had a piece in their ear and we would put them out in the public and My thing was that I had to tell them that they are a news reporter
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And that someone had just seen a UFO and had an encounter with an alien right there in Hollywood. But the person who was the witness took off. Would you be willing to go on camera and say it was you? And everybody said yes. They all did. And people had crazy stories. They talked about being abducted and being on the ship and experience. And they were communicating with me.
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They just fully made up stories. And that was an eye-opener for me. I was like, wow, you put a camera on people. They just are so hyped to be on TV. They just bullshit you. Yeah, they can. Because the guy who was in on it was shocked, too. Because he was like, I can't believe that these people just started fucking lying. Yeah.
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Everybody wants to – especially when you put a camera on people.
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much attention he just wanted to tell us his story and he was a regular dude like we talked about all kinds of stuff he had a big trout on his wall he had a trout like when they make trophies out of fish they don't really make trophies anymore now what they do is they take a photo and the measurements and then they make like a plastic version of that fish that looks exactly like it that's how they do it but this guy had like a real trophy fish that he had mounted I'm like they don't even do that anymore so I started asking him questions yeah that's it
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Wow. A long time ago. But the point is this guy was a sincere dude. He was telling me how he caught the fish. When I'm asking people questions about stuff, I want to know how you think. When I'm talking to some guy that tells me he had an encounter with an orb, I want to hear what you talk about. How do you talk about you at work? How do you talk about you with your kids?
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How do you treat your dog? You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to get a gauge of this guy. He seems super sincere. Just a regular good guy, very accommodating, very friendly.
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That's the thing that, do you know that feeling? Have you ever seen photos of miniature cars?
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I was just looking at that yesterday. Yeah. But what I was getting at, there's something wrong with the car that even in a photo you know it's not a real car. Yes. You know it's a miniature car. Your brain is very good at that. That's a real weird one because it doesn't make sense. Like there's a perception. You look at it like, oh, that's a miniature car. That's a fake.
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That's like a Hot Wheel because they're really good now. Pull up a photo of like a miniature Mustang.
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Oh, I've seen that. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah. So these are miniatures? Yeah, those are fake.
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Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point.
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Oh, okay. So he's really good at it. He's really good. Because these look, other than what you said, Jay, that you don't see the weight of the tires. But, like, okay, that one right there, that Nissan, click on that one, the blue one. Yeah, that's a Nissan GT-R. I'm looking at that, and I'm like, that's a fake car. I don't know why. Yeah, that looks like a model. But why does it look like a model?
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Right. I mean, there's something about it, right? Like, what is that something about it?
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Right. Well, especially you as a person who's had an experience. Correct. You have something to gauge. There's certain things like in your field, like if you ran into a dude at the airport that was a faker. You know, there's a lot of guys that have put on like fake military outfits and pretend. And then they get questioned by real military.
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It's weird. Yeah. It is. But people are weird. People will make up crazy stories. So like when you're dealing with the craziest of crazy stories, which is UFOs have been in contact with me. I'm special. They chose me to talk to me.
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Well, that's probably because it was a real story.
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Can I pause you for a second? This tracking, is this manual or is this like some sort of automated system?
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So the automated system is having a hard time locking on to it.
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And it's moving like crazy, side to side, all over it.
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Okay, the sound is terrible. They need better mics. Honestly, it has to be a podcast mic. Oh, I'm sure. But he's saying, what is that? I don't know. We're having a hard time locking on to it.
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So he looks pale? Is that what you're saying?
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So you're assuming, you're immediately associating that with he's freezing, right?
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So he's got a clean battle dress uniform.
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But you're understanding what he's saying.
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Wow, so he was saying that to you, like his reaction to going to the military base.
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Are you saying tritium? Yeah, tritium is – that's the stuff that's in lume, like in your watch when your watch glows. That's – or, you know, they make those where they – they're basically radioactive isotopes that stay lit. So, like, if you get, like, a Marathon watch, Marathon makes military watches, and it doesn't need, like, this watch.
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You need the light, and the light charges the lume, and then when it's dark out, you can read the hands for, like, a few hours. It's the thing that they used to put on the end of the guns, right? Exactly. They still do. Like, SIG has them on their guns.
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Tritium is just a lot. I did that. That's not giving me much. So tritium, chunky glow in the dark glitter. What is that? These are game websites. Oh, I see.
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But tritium, that's that radioactive isotope. That's the stuff that emits light.
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A rare radioactive isotope of hydrogen with a half-life of 12.3 years.
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So he's asking you for that stuff? Tritium? Yep. And I'm like, I don't know where to get that. Oh, look at that. It's used in boosted fission weapons and thermonuclear weapons. Oh, great. That sounds pretty sure. I wonder what the fuck it's doing on your wrist.
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Yeah, airdrop it to Jamie. Do you know how to do that?
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So he asks you for tritium. You tell him this is what it looked like.
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So you're thinking at this time, though, it's a metal.
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And so you're trying to find different people that you can connect this being to. Yeah. And what is it saying to you?
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Were they just because they were flabbergasted or was it because something was going on?
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So they didn't see it up close like you did.
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That's still enough to detect whether or not someone looks blue though, right?
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And the people that were in the car with you, you feel like something happened to them that, like, froze them?
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The guy who said he has no ears, does that guy have a recollection? That guy they can't find. They can't find him.
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How did they allegedly acquire this tech?
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But... What was that incident where James Fox and you were on a show? What's that?
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So this thing, does it tell you why it needs the tritium? It just says it needs it to fix its craft? Yeah.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Do we think it's not metal or do you think maybe it's a metal that we don't have?
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So you, because it was describing it to you, you all of a sudden had access to all this information.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, and I could just give you all that instead of talking it out. That's what he did. Did you then try to talk to someone and relay that information and like download it?
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So how do they describe it that freaked you out that much? They're talking about biological entities that are retrieved along with the crash?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And so did you talk to someone from DARPA? You said these people wanted to talk to you?
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And is that information still in your head?
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So does it seem like a memory, or what does it seem like in your head? To me, it's like a very clear, like, this is...
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Could you draw that picture if someone gave you a pad and a pen?
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Is that available online? Can someone see that?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
But does it remain in your head like normal memory? Like, you know, like you learn certain things in school and they stay in your head.
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Why do they crash if they're so fucking smart? That's always the big question, right?
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What I mean is, is the memory the same as a regular memory or is it clear? Yeah.
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But it just somehow or another in that conversation, he put this information in your head. And then it just leaves?
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Did you get a sense of where this thing was from?
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And for some reason you just felt compelled to draw this particular star system.
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And was there a specific planet in that star system?
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Isn't that what they always say about aliens, zeta reticuli? Yeah.
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Now. What is the rest of your life like after that day? So you have life before you experience this creature and then now you know that this is a thing.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So wait a minute. The United States government has the ability to contact or interact with these craft and force them to land?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Whoa. Um, it stays with you, but what, like, what is your experience trying to relay these thoughts in this experience that had to be weird in the sense that like, it's very hard to believe. I mean, I believe you, but it's very, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, you did what you talk to an alien. Like that's most people are going to think you're ridiculous. Yeah.
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You're really worried that much that someone would try to take you out?
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But do you know why they don't want you talking about this?
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And when you say bad decisions, what do you mean by bad decisions?
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But that video of the alien, that's fake, right? The video where they're interrogating some gray?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
What is the general consensus in the people on the program about Roswell? They don't like talking about it.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So the general consensus is that this is a real event. Yeah. And they don't like talking about it. But does everybody sort of agree or are there people that are dissenting? Do they have dissenting opinions about whether or not it was a crash UFO?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
They don't want to talk about it, but that it wasn't ours.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Does anybody talk about it? Is there anybody that has shared information about Roswell to you? Yeah. Is there anything that you could talk about?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And, Logan, you were in the documentary as well, so tell everybody what you do.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
No. No. It's all top secret. I just gave the person the confidence that I would not mention it. Got it. Got it. And Logan, have you had personal experiences other than the one when you were a child?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So the idea would be that the retrievals would be very valuable because you could back engineer the tech, figure out how it works, make weapon systems, make superior crafts.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
How long has this supposedly been going on for? Decades. It's been going on for a very long time. Even before I was born. But if the tech that we have now that allows us to tell them to land didn't exist before, why did they crash before? What is Roswell?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Right. Did you see the Trump administration address the drones today?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yes, I had a friend tell me they made an announcement, but we were getting in the car at the time. Essentially, they said it was all ours, and there was some sort of scanning that was done that was approved, and the other ones were hobbyists. And there was some sort of test that they were doing, but they were saying that it's ours, which is very—the whole thing stinks.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
My friend Mark saw one. Mark Norman, how did he describe it, Jamie? He said it was triangular, right? I just remember him saying SUV size. Yeah, he said it was the size of an SUV. He said it was triangular. He said it moved really fast.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
But radar is just a detection signal, right? Right.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So it looks like a very large conventional drone.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, the other thing is they could stay in the sky for like five hours at a time.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, what are you using? Like what is that thing using? Jamie, can you see the – right, cold fusion. Can you find the video of the disclosure today? It was –
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And everybody doesn't know what it is. No one's talking about it.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, they definitely were hobbyists too because there was hobbyists in Austin around that time. There was a ton of drones. It was like people were like, whoa, it's a drone party. Everybody was like – everybody with drones was just flying them around. Okay. Well, that kind of makes sense.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And then they didn't have a press conference about the results. Right. Which would have been – could it be that they wanted to see what happens when you fly things over a metropolitan area and you fly a bunch of drones over highly populated parts of the country?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, the hobbyists are including themselves, right?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
That was Wright-Patterson Air Force Base had to get closed down, right?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
What a shit design. You know what I'm saying? Imagine if you bought a Tesla and the wheels fly off when it rains out. You'd be like, what the fuck? You guys have this super advanced vehicle that you can come here from another planet and radar makes you crash? That kind of stuff makes people incredulous, right?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Let me ask you this and tell me if this makes sense. If you were the government and you knew that there were non-human intelligence that were operating vehicles above our cities, would a way to sort of obfuscate that to launch a bunch of our drones as well? and have some shit that you could explain and then tell people, don't worry about it. It was just drones. It was our drones.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Like, see, here's our drone. Here's a drone that crashed. Look, it's got propellers. Normal drone. Yeah, it's big, but it's normal.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Maybe they don't. Right. Maybe they have a much tighter control over their media so they don't have to obfuscate. They don't have to –
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
If it's just ours. Yeah. Right. But if it's not ours and there's a bunch of shit flying around there and we want to confuse people, wouldn't you have a bunch of conventional drones and fly them low over city so people could clearly see them?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I think there's still, look, assuming you guys are completely accurate about all this, if they have had this information for a long time, I would assume that there's a lot of pressure to never release it. I think there's probably a lot of problems with lying to Congress.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
lying to congress about budgets and allocation of resources for these programs that are all top secret like how have you done this what have you done who's responsible who made that call is that even legal and who are you that if you've been in contact with non-human intelligence and you have retrieved crafts who are you to keep that from the rest of the world exactly
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Especially if you're not officially – I mean you don't have the clearance to do what you're doing.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, I would imagine that. But I would also imagine if you wanted to keep your job and if you have a high intelligence clearance and you're working for the government and you're a longtime career employee of the government, you want to keep moving up the ladder and keep your fucking mouth shut.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And they're going to throw their whole life into a tizzy if they do that.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah. And what has it been like since then? Have you gotten support from more people than you thought you would? Or have more people thrown you under the bus than you expected?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Because you've stepped out of line. That's what it feels like to me. Okay. Logan, have you experienced the same kind of situation? No.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
How many different versions of these life forms have been discussed with you?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Are the tall whites like this one that you encountered, the one with the big eyes? Yes, yes, like that one. But that wasn't that tall, you said.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So... And this was explained to him through some sort of telepathy?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Is that on Google Earth? There is parts of it, yeah. Can we, like, look where the tall whites live?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So the idea is that that's a base for them when they visit us?
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So they're closer in the evolutionary chain to us than some of the other ones.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Was there any sort of an explanation that anybody give you of why they don't want to talk about it?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, every reptile here is evil. Right? You ever seen a Komodo dragon eat a goat?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
They're fucking monsters. Every single reptile is a monster that's here. There's not one cuddly reptile you can hang out with, cuddles with you, brings you your newspaper in the morning. No.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
One day it's going to eat you. You have a monster that you feed. And as long as you keep feeding, it won't eat you. People with pythons for pets, they're out of fucking minds.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, a reptilian race that does that. It just makes you wonder about... human history about the stories of demons and angels and this is what Tucker Carlson believes that they've always been here and that this idea that they're coming from another planet is not it's not that simple no that's more complicated and he thinks that it's the demons and the angels from the Bible yeah
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Or is there a place where the Yucatan impact never happens? And so those dinosaurs eventually evolved to become super intelligent.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
But wouldn't you think that it would have done that already? They were around for 100 million years, 200 million years. In that time period, they didn't evolve at all. Those fuckers, they just kept eating each other in the same way.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
This Eben thing that you talked about initially, this creature, what did that thing look like?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So they had already described it. You just weren't privy to it. And so they were just going on the assumption that everybody who's talking about it knows.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So it was like that was just not a topic. Got it. So this Eben, was it here against its will? Was it here to interact with us?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It almost doesn't make sense to me because like if you're going to go visit an uncontacted tribe in the Amazon, you would assume that they have weapons. You'd assume they have bows and arrows. And if you got hit with an arrow, you'd be like, this is crazy. You know, I can't believe I got shot by an arrow. But you wouldn't be surprised that they have arrows.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And how many other stories that are similar to that, like the interactions and a thing being here with us, have you heard?
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And what kind of portal are we talking about?
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And did they say where this thing was accomplished and how?
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And did they say how the portal was made? Was this made by them?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Like a Stargate. Yeah. Like a real Stargate.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Like you would probably write, hey, man, we should be real careful that they might have arrows. They might shoot us. So if you're visiting the human race and you're so advanced that in 1947 you can come here from wherever, another planet, another dimension, whatever you're doing, wouldn't you know about radar?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
That I definitely could see. And also, Jackie Gleason did become obsessed with UFOs afterwards and even had a house built in the shape of a UFO. It's a wild-looking house that was apparently for sale recently. Yes, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't in Palisades, was it? No, no, it was in upstate New York. It did look like a, it's a very bizarre looking house.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Like you see, you're like, why would Jackie Gleason build a, want to see it? Yeah, yeah. You look at it, you're like, why would Jackie Gleason build a house like this? But then you hear that story, you go, well, maybe that's why he did it. Because the word was that he had become obsessed with UFOs at one point in his life. And this story came out, I think, as told by his wife.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
This was Jackie Mason's house. Which is so weird.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Spaceship-like house. Very strange. Very fucking strange.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Oh, really? Yeah, and it looks just like a UFO. I think there's a UFO house in California somewhere. I think there's one in the hills above Studio City. I think there's one. It's like a famous UFO house. I think they've filmed things. I think it's like on stilts, and it looks like a UFO. Mm-hmm. I mean, people are always going to want things that look like that.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It doesn't necessarily mean that the Jackie Gleason, yeah, that one. That's in the Hollywood Hills. It's called the Chemosphere. That one actually is pretty cool. Fucking dope. That house is cool as shit.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, you wouldn't want it as your main house.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
That's a house you visit every now and then when you want to get drunk. Let's get drunk at the UFO house. Or appreciate someplace private. Have a party. Have a little cocktail party at the UFO house.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
That's exactly how I treat it. Yeah, it's like fun. Yeah. But so the grays, the tall whites, the reptilians, but then there's the mantis too, right? Right.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And it was just flying through the air? Yeah.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So this is the other thing that I keep hearing is that we are in possession of technology that is many, many years ahead of anything that anybody could anticipate. Correct.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Other than the beings that we described, are there other ones that people have talked about?
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How many documented different species have you heard of?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Now, is the conventional explanation that these things are from other planets or is there speculation that they're interdimensional? Is there speculation that they live in the water?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
All of a sudden this new technology and it causes their ship to crash.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I've heard of a craft that you go inside of it and it looks like a couple hundred feet on the outside. You go inside of it and it's bigger than a football field. Yeah, Doctor Who style.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Is the speed so fast that you can't track it with your eye?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I treat this like a segment on the Arsenio Hall show. Things that make you go, hmm, I'm not sure. It just seems dumb. It just seems dumb that radar could take them out.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
But one of the things about the Virginia crash, which is another James Fox documentary, which is excellent, which is all about the crash in Brazil, which is heavily documented, including the guy who handled the body wound up dying of some unknown bacterial illness.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
One of the things that we keep hearing, Christopher Mellon's talked about this. Many people talked about this is there is evidence that's been classified. That is high resolution video and photographs. that are very distinct, very different than some of the blurry stuff that we've seen. Have you guys seen any of that?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And you're talking about a high resolution video.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It's much clearer than the stuff we're seeing.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And what's the resistance to that stuff getting out there to the general public?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
that they have no idea what it was and he was a young healthy guy he carried this supposedly carried this being put it in his patrol car took it to a hospital they wouldn't accept it had to take it to another hospital and then two weeks later this guy's dead and he just he got unbelievably sick there's nothing they could do to help him they flooded him with antibiotics all kinds of different things nothing worked he died very quickly
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
And she spoke in, like, a broken English, too. Yes, amazing. Yeah.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
We thought it was your boyfriend. That's a whole creep.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
That attracts gay guys. That's the best draw. Chelsea Handler. They all get all these gay guys showing up.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
Dude, because you get to hang out with a dude. You get to hang out. I would love to marry you. We would have such a good time.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
No, I think they gave him like five minutes. I don't know. He was in it.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
They got axes on the edge of the water. That does not seem that thick.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
That's great. He made good money. I mean, if you're going to spend money on something. Just buy new socks, throw them away.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
World News. World News Report. Yeah, yeah. That's the one. Those were great. That was the best. Yes.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
But look at the bride. It's so clearly like a holograph. They didn't even try.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
So there's vaccine strain polio that just comes from a vaccine and is transmissible?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Well, that whole idea of natural remedies is so just universally dismissed by non-silly people. When you say natural remedies, that's great. If you have a heart attack, go to a doctor, stupid. That's generally people's appeal to authority. But the doctor should be recommending those things too. They're good too. Like vitamin D, super important. Vitamin A, super important.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
So what do they call it again? Can you say that word again?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Do you think they're unnecessary? Or is there some times when people have to get their tonsils removed? Or is it just a nonsense practice?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Before we go to smallpox, I want to talk about this because you just brought it up. One of the things that Brett Weinstein has explained to me is that aluminum is when – the concept is that giving someone a shot with aluminum in it and triggering an immune response, if they're eating certain foods during that time, they can then develop –
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And one of the things that you talked about in the book is that I think this is really important. When you were talking about the measles vaccine, you were saying that either if you get an infection with measles, just a natural infection, or if you get the vaccine, you're still going to get depleted of vitamin A. If you get vaccinated for the measles, you should be taking vitamin A as well.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
an allergy to those foods, like certain people with peanuts and various things like that that used to be very common for people to eat, but then a bunch of people developed pretty severe food allergies. And he makes this connection that he believes it's a reasonable connection to say that there's something
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
You're also talking in your book about the importance of breast milk and the amount of nutrition that's in breast milk for a child and what it does for a child. And the differences in their immune system, the differences in a lot of different aspects of their development, which is pretty fascinating. And most people kind of just assume it's food. It's just food. But it's a lot more than that.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Your body's going to get depleted just by getting that shot. They don't tell you that.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I think you make a very compelling point for that. I just I think it's arrogant that we could assume that we could replace something with. I mean, we ever read the ingredients of formula. Like, how could that be good?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
So the cows were all eating these pesticides.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And the cows were getting sick with it. And then these people were drinking the milk from that cow and getting sick as well, eating the meat.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And do you think it's the immunity to any legal consequences that has allowed them to sort of operate like this?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
But isn't it fascinating that they've done such a good job promoting this that people are going to get outraged at what you're saying? They've done such a good job.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And you've got a lot of courage. I want to commend you for that because writing that book and being here talking about it takes a lot of courage. And it's from regular people who want to believe the vaccine. They're scarier than anybody. The people that are just rabid vaxxers. And they want they stand for science like they're the warriors for science and they get very aggressive about it.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And they don't even want to breach the subject. They don't even want to look at it because the more you look at it, if you're a logical, rational person without like a deep seated ideology attached to vaccines and you just look at the reality of it, you just go, what what is this? How did you trick people into injecting vaccines? How many a year now for kids? What is it?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
That's insane. Yeah. And then you want to demonize anybody who says anything about vaccine side effects. You are the craziest of kooks. They come down to you with the hardest publicity campaign. It's... so transparent, you see it coming a mile away and you're still shocked by how blatant it is. And no one wants to look at the actual issue itself. And no one wants to say like, well, is she right?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
If you read your book, is she right? If you're right and I think you're right, like we've been lied to and we've been tricked into thinking that this is all settled science. And that's what's infuriating. It's not that it's anti-science. It's like, this is not science. What you guys are doing is not science. You've subverted, you've perverted that notion. And you've done it in an amazing way.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day you just said something that's like very important you can't be dogmatic when you're talking about vaccines or about anything
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I mean, hats off to you. What they've done in terms of brainwashing people to believe that all this is... It's not just necessary, but it saved millions of lives. And anybody that is against it in any way, shape or form is a quack. And you should be deplatformed and never talked about again. And polite public society and cocktail parties will be shunned.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Yeah. And especially if you know that that indoctrination has been on purpose and profitable. And, you know, one of the great things about your book is, first of all, your book's called Dissolving Illusions.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
It sounds like a cult. It sounds like a crazy cult that the whole world's been sucked into. Giving a COVID shot to a baby today is insane.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Nobody wants to think of it as a business. Nobody wants to think you're making business decisions at the expense of someone's health and possibly whether or not they make it. Like, what are you doing?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And this is also the time when this coincides with when Rockefeller was designing the school system, right?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
No, but he did both, right? He was a part of both. So he was a part of the reason why natural cures are so easily dismissed and why it's so dismissed. Because Rockefeller put the entire medical establishment on oil-based.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
So all pharmaceutical drugs that are made by using oil.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I had a dog that I picked up off the street and took her in, and she had horrible mange. But it all went away with just food. I just gave her healthy food.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Subclinical scurvy in modern society. Oh, absolutely. Just from poor diet.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And what's really crazy is if you're one of those people that thinks that all you need is a balanced diet and you're eating like a piece of chicken and some lettuce. Yeah, like that. There's no vitamin C in any of that or not enough.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
If you're not consuming some sort of liposomal vitamin C supplement, if you're not taking something on top of that, you're probably not at an optimal level to survive anything. It's also part of why we have so many metabolic diseases. We have bad metabolic health. We have metabolic diseases. It should be super obvious.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Like, oh, everyone's really unhealthy and doesn't have any nutrients in their system. And they're all getting really sick from all these different things. Huh. But everyone's like, no, you need medicine. You need a shot. You need this. You need that. You need to get on this. You need to get off that and get back on this.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Yeah, the wheat thing I used to think was nonsense until I ate pasta and bread in Italy. And I was like, okay, why do I feel so much better? Why do I not feel like I just ate poison? Because I love pizza. Yeah, who doesn't? I love lasagna. I love it. I love it. It's so good. But after it's over, I'm like – incapacitated for like an hour or two.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
For like a two-hour period, you're just like a shadow of yourself, just ugh.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I ate a whole pizza in Italy and I was waiting for it. I was like, I'm going to eat this margarita pizza. It's so good.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
They made it in a brick oven. I was like, this is so good. I'm eating the whole pizza. I don't care. I don't care what it's going to feel like afterwards. I ate that whole pizza and then I was like, where is it? Is it coming?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Never came. I felt normal. I felt like I just ate food. I was like, this is nuts. Like, no crash.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
People need to understand, like, what they did was, and this is according to Maynard from Tool. Do you know Maynard Keenan, the lead singer of Tool?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
He actually runs a farm. He has vineyards and he has like Caduceus is his wine label. And he's like really good at growing things because he has a restaurant. He was explaining to me that what they did is they just engineered it to have higher yield. So it's got more complex glutens in it. So it's not the normal organic wheat that grows in Italy where they don't have genetically modified crops.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Have there been any instances where vaccines have been helpful?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
So you can still get that flour and you can still get that pasta from Italy and it's much more consumable.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
But the American stuff is just... It's just your body's like, what is this? It just comes in like sludge.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
It feels like I ate glue. That's what it always feels like when it's over. Unless it's really good sourdough bread. That doesn't seem to have that.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
It's so delicious. But this is also a problem. And this goes back to when R.J. Reynolds was going through all their stuff with the lawsuits that were coming from people realizing, oh, my God, cigarettes give you cancer. They're not good to like smoke if you have emphysema. Right. I thought they were good for you.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
There was a movie, and I forget what movie it was.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Well, there's that. There was a movie where Leonardo DiCaprio was young and he was sick and his doctor was prescribing cigarettes to him. And the mother was saying, did you smoke your cigarettes that the doctor told you to? You're not smoking. You need to keep up your health. I'm like,
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Well, also, doesn't nicotine kill COVID? Like people were saying that nicotine. No. So that's what it is. That's how it kills.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Pick up the cigar. Yeah, there you go. It's a wonderful habit. Yeah, that was an uncomfortable thing in the beginning of COVID. They were saying that for some reason, smokers seem to be having a much easier go of it. Like what? How do you have a respiratory disease where smokers are statistically speaking getting less COVID?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
It kind of makes sense if you think about it.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
American Spirit cigarettes are not healthier.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
It's marketed as natural and additive-free, which may lead people to believe that they are a safer option. However, there's no scientific evidence to support this claim. They may even have higher levels of nicotine than some other brands. But the nicotine is not the problem. That's exactly right. Just by them saying that there, that leads me to think that this might be propaganda.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Because saying that nicotine is not the problem, that's – Who is our source? Or rather saying that they might have more nicotine.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
But I understand. But AI should understand that nicotine – Ask Tony Hinchcliffe. He smokes them. I know. I know he does. I'm just saying AI doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense is that it's saying they might have more nicotine, but that doesn't matter. They're not addressing the actual question.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Oh, no, no, no. I'm not saying to you. I'm just saying to them. What they're writing seems to kind of be silly. Marketing of American spirits as natural can create a false sense of healthiness. which may make it more difficult for people to quit smoking. I think smoking companies wrote this. I think the other companies fed this information.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
In England, you'd go to England and they had photos of people with rotten faces.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Well, the interesting thing is – and I'm glad you brought this up – is just cancer in general. Like there's things that cause cancer that – they're just everywhere. And there's a lot of things in the environment that can cause cancer. But sometimes things get into medications that can cause cancer. And what is – What is SV40?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I know I've talked about on the podcast a bunch of times, but you you also highlight a lot of things that we know are beneficial that somehow or another get lumped into nonsense, like even cinnamon.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
So SV40 is now contagious amongst people? Absolutely, yeah.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
It's just such a disturbing thought that this was introduced to people through vaccines and now is spreading. And what's the worst health impact that it could have if it spreads to you and not through a vaccine? If you didn't get it through this vaccine and you just get it from another person?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
How could they keep injecting that into people if they know this?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
It's like real-world demons. It's so crazy that someone would know this and still have this as an ingredient in a vaccine.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Have there ever been a comparison of pre-cancer rates, pre-SV40 and post-SV40?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
It's just too horrible to believe for most people, I think. And then also- Yes, you're correct. It goes against religious dogma, especially with people that are firmly on the left, trusting the science and trusting the experts. Those are two things at the front.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I think we should break down step by step. What about polio?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
What was bizarre to me was that there was this narrative that you were going to get it no matter what.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Yeah. Well, this was before the vaccine was even around. There was this talk that there's no way to not get it. Like if it's around you, it's so contagious, you're going to get it. And that's why I was shocked that I didn't get it when my whole family got it. Like I said, I didn't isolate at all. I did it on purpose. And I had two days in the gym where I was sluggish.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And so I was like, I feel kind of tired today, but a weird tired. So I'm just going to go through the motions. I just like really light workout. And the next day I felt the same thing. Like, yeah, another light workout. Let's just take it easy. No need to push it. Just got to break a little sweat, never stressed myself. And then the next day, I felt great. I felt 100%.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Like I started working, I was like, oh, I feel good. And then I was fine. I was like, okay, I guess I didn't get it. And then everyone in my family recovered. And then I went from there to a couple months later, I was doing this gig in Florida. And I was up with my friend John Shoman, who's a pool, he makes pool cues. Shout out to John, good friend of mine.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And we were playing pool until like 5 o'clock in the morning. And I had like five margaritas, and we were having a good old time and laughing a lot. And then that night I was like, oh, I don't feel so good. But it was alcohol and no sleep and playing pool and big shows and giant arenas and flying on jets and being tired all the time. That's what it was. And then I got sick.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Yeah, it was a few months because by that time the vaccine had been out. And this was, I guess, the Delta, which was everybody was like, this is a bad one. The Delta is a bad one.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Yeah. It was a shocking time for me because before that, I never would have guessed in a million years that I would be even questioning other vaccines. I would have never guessed that. I would have told you that vaccines are one of the most important inventions in human history. And it saved us from polio. It saved us from smallpox. I would have been that guy, ranting off all those statistics.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I would have told you that. But then I read your book. Sorry. Sorry. I read Robert F. Kennedy's book. I read your book, and I started reading Turtles All the Way Down, which is really interesting because they wrote another book called Turtles All the Way Down, and someone else published it that has almost the identical cover, and that book is a pro-vaccine book. They literally hijack.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
They're like, what do we do? Oh, this is what we do. We fucking confuse the shit out of people, make one with the exact same cover. Exact same cover, exact same name. Wow. And they made it a pro-vaccine book. It's kind of wild. I mean, it's really kind of ingenious. Like, what a great way to, like, flood the market with bullshit. And the RFK Jr. book was bananas.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I mean, people had told me to read it, and my initial thought— Which one, the Fauci book? Yes. Yeah. My initial thought was, that's that guy that's like that anti-vaccine kook. That's what I thought. And I've apologized to him for that. When I talked to him on the podcast, I said to him, I said, I succumbed like everybody else did to the casual narrative. What's the casual narrative?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Oh, that RFK guy's a kook. Talks weird. Got a weird voice.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Read the book. To explain to someone the whole DDT connection and the fact that livestock was getting polio. This is the thing. Dogs don't get polio. They don't get human-derived polio. It doesn't cross species. But they were getting paralytic polio symptoms because they were getting poisoned by DDT. Right? That was a big part of the whole thing that was very confusing.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. That's so crazy. And it was all a mutant man-made virus. The man-made virus thing is... It was a wound-up virus.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
So man-made to the final form. That's just crazy that that's a thing that we do. Because if this gain-of-function research was so important, wouldn't you have a cure ready? They did. You've been studying this for so long, but it didn't really cure it, right? Oh, cure. I mean, wouldn't you have something that stops it dead in its tracks?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
The most shocking aspect of getting attacked and like all the CNN stuff to me was that no one had any interest in why I recovered so quickly. Because if this is supposed to be this death sentence and there's no treatment and then I'm a guy in my 50s and I got over it quick and then no one cared at all about that. All they wanted to do is mock this idea that I was taking veterinary medicine.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Which I wasn't. But it was just the fact that they used that term, horse dewormer, on every TV show. Like, wow, this is, it's wild to watch the machine. It's uniquely wild when it's coming after you. And you're like, but this is like such a dumb checkers play. I'm like, this is so stupid. I'm still doing my podcast, you fucking idiots.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And like, everyone's going to know that you put a green filter over my face. I'm going to show everybody that. You think you're just going to get away with that? No, you're going to like lose all of your credibility, you idiots. It was just so fascinating to watch this distorted understanding of what America is willing to believe or the world is willing to believe.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
You're only preaching to the converted. The super hardcore, closed-minded, converted people. Everyone else knows you guys are a joke now. And that's the good part of getting through COVID. The good part of this enormous gaslighting experience that we all just went through, where people are finally, after four years, apologizing to friends for calling them a plague rat.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Literally, it got down to that, where friends couldn't be friends with people anymore because they weren't vaccinated. And people are kind of like realizing like, oh, my God, not only did I get COVID more than anybody else because I got three shots. Like I had a friend telling this. He goes, I got COVID more than everyone I know. And I had all three shots.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
He's like, I got COVID eight fucking times. And we're like, how many times did you get it? And everybody that got it naturally was like, I got it once. Maybe I got it. I got it twice. But the second time I got it, it was literally a sniffy nose. Just literally. And I was joking because we used to test everyone, including the guests. Everyone that came here, we tested for COVID. And I was joking.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I'm like, maybe this is it. Maybe I got it again. And she's like, you actually got it. I was like, no way. This is COVID? And it never got worse. It stopped right there. That was it. One day. One day of a sniffly nose. And then a couple days later, I said, all right, let's try and get tested again. See if we can still do another podcast. And that was good. But I had to cancel a podcast.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
You're not allowed. But the fact that... That's the thing. It's like there's real science behind all the things you talk about in your book in terms of like the nutritional aspects of healthy foods being an important factor in your immune system. Healthy, we were talking about juices and vegetable juices and all the different times that it's helped people overcome certain diseases and diseases.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Vitamin A and cod liver oil, which also has vitamin A, which was always prescribed to people that were sick. All these things, this is real science. There's real science in nutritional supplementation and the effects it has on the immune system. And there's real science in nutritional deficiencies and what a negative impact it has. This is all real.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
This is the one that everybody points to. We don't have crippled kids.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And if they truly cared about you, they would be telling you about that as a primary way of defending your body against disease. and against all sorts of things that could go wrong. All sorts of things. Like, get fit, eat healthy, and you're above everything. Take supplements, you're above everything.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Like, you're in the top 1% of people that are going to do great in life when it comes to getting sick. Just that. Because most people don't do that. So you have, like, what percentage of people, like, really eat healthy and really try to exercise on a regular basis? Is it even 10? Is it even 10% of us?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Let's just have a guess nationwide and see if there's a chart, see if there's a statistic. Let's guess what percentage of people eat healthy, take vitamins, and exercise regularly. I say 10%. What do you think?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
When you look at the historical timeline of polio, what do you think caused it to go, to essentially not be a problem anymore? You don't think vaccinations had anything to do with that?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Yeah. But a lot of people, like, you know, even though they have a hard job, they still realize, like, I got to go to the gym for work and just just get it in. Because if I don't, I won't have any energy. I'm better off this way. I know it sucks, but just do it. There's like people that have enough discipline to do that. So I would give it. I think it's one out of 10. That's what I think.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
That's good if that's true. That's really good. I wouldn't think that's true, though. I don't buy that.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Yeah, I don't buy that. That's written by a supplement company.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
There's also a problem with cross-contamination. One of the things that we found out when we were selling AlphaBrain is that in the beginning when we would hire a lab to make the formula for us, like so you have like a list of ingredients and then they put together this thing which is a nootropic. We'd find stuff in there that we didn't have in there. And it was from their bins.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
So it's like, why is vitamin B12 in this? Like, why is this in that? Why is that? And it's just because that's the same factor, manufacturing place where they make all kinds of stuff, creatine and all kinds of supplements.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Okay, likely less than 10%. Okay, if you're talking about people who consistently do all three, it drops significantly. Less than 10%, maybe even closer to 3% to 5%, depending on how strict your definition of healthy is. Yeah. That was a good guess.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
When you first decided to write this book, how much apprehension did you have? Zero. Zero. You were just fully convicted to get this idea out.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
It's been out there for a while. The Jonas Salk thing was also wild. I thought Jonas Salk was this genius that created this incredible virus to save humanity.
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Let us take a part of your successful business that you've worked on for five years or four years.
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What a great deal. And then I'll have prestige behind my name.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I've been published by a real company. When was the last time you looked at a book and said, let me check who published this?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Right. Maybe make sure. Somebody recommended this book.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I have never heard of this publisher. This is outrageous.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Oh, Jacques Vallée. Jacques Vallée is probably the most interesting UFO researcher that I've ever talked to. He's the guy that was – do you remember the French scientist? Do you remember Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Did you see that movie?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Do you remember there's a French scientist on the ground that's coordinating with the army and explaining to everybody what's going on? Okay. That French scientist is modeled after this guy. This guy has been following UFOs since like the 50s or the 60s? Did he say the 50s? I mean – Like, a long time. He's an older gentleman, but he's fascinating. Okay. And he's very rational.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
When he talks about it, it's like he is very objective in what's nonsense and what's true and what we can't explain. It's a fascinating subject.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Yeah. Well, for the longest time, it was a ridiculed subject subject. It didn't have the same societal impact as being a vaccine skeptic or an anti-vaxxer. With that pejorative, they've done an incredible job of scaring people into just falling in line. Because if you question it and someone said, oh, did you know he's an anti-vaxxer?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
That's all you need to hear. And you're going to get it after this podcast. And I've already gotten it.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Well, they'll definitely be the usual suspects that will be doing that. But has anyone ever tried to sit down with you and have a conversation publicly about this and refute it?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And there's an anxiety aspect to that. And, you know, there's a lot of adrenaline and emotions. And, yeah, it's a skill.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
It does. It's super unfortunate. And it's really transparent when it's about a serious subject. Like, why do you have to attack someone's...
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
who they are make make it ridicule them instead of just refuting the facts or or laying out your case it just doesn't make sense that anybody who's right would do that that's not what you do when you're right that's what you do when you're trying to ridicule people and you're usually trying to ridicule people because you need an edge you know it's like a bully they're like if you see fighters like like a like a UFC fighter in his prime like Anderson Silva's one of the
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
If someone got in his face and tried to intimidate him, it would be kind of hilarious because he was the best fighter in the world. So he wouldn't even have to do it back. He could just smile at you. And that's sort of the same here. When you're ridiculing someone, like right off the bat, a bunch of...
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
you know add homonyms about that person you're trying to diminish that person to set up your argument as being superior because you're the superior intellect and you're doing that because you don't feel like you're on level playing field and so you want to try to do something to push them off make fun of them in some sort of way instead of just like laying out your version of what reality is lay out your version if you're so strong if you're so correct it should be super easy to do
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Well, you certainly will get a better result if you do get the disease that way. The idea that you could just ignore everything but a medication is so silly. The only reason why you would do that is if that's the only way you made your money. And that's really – especially if you're in the vaccine business and you have an enormous ad budget and you're sponsoring all the television networks.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
We'd go over kids' houses if they had chicken pox.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
So can you explain how a vaccine is manufactured? How could they not know all the different stuff that's in it? Who? Let's talk about how the SV40 got in there. So you need something alive. You need some sort of tissue from a living creature in order to grow these things.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
You were talking about tetanus earlier, and you kind of glossed over it, but you didn't finish up. You were saying that tetanus itself, you started, like, Googling and, like, reading about tetanus itself.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
And also, weren't the first cases, did they break out in a rural community?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I read this crazy statistic, and I still can't believe it's real, that 95 to 99 percent of all polio is asymptomatic.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I dismissed all that stuff as total nonsense. I was like, oh, that's hippie nonsense, like echinacea, like get out of here. It's hippie nonsense. Garlic, come on, get out of here. Then the more I've read things, especially like garlic is incredible for staph infections for some reason.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Well, it took a lot of courage to step out of line and speak your mind, and I'm really glad you did because I hope more will realize that this is what a doctor is supposed to do. And you're not supposed to be a spokesperson for an industry that's pretty sociopathic, which makes some – Great strides. Look, there's a lot of amazing orthopedic surgeons and eye surgeons and neurosurgeons.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
There's a lot of amazing work being done by medicine. But then there's also the pharmaceutical drug company, which when attached to that and to the money people, they want to make more money every time they can. Every quarter, they want to have a bigger quarter. They want a bigger house. They want a bigger jet. And they just keep going. And the way to get money is to get you to take their stuff.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
It's not to heal you. The way they really make money is to convince you that you're sick.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
You shouldn't be shamed for getting better from some other way. That wouldn't be a thing.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Yeah, it's pretty weird. Well, thank you very much for doing what you do and for writing that book because it was a real eye-opener for me. I had no idea. I had no idea of the history of these things. I had no idea of the correlations between when the vaccine was induced and when the death rates had already dropped down. I didn't know all that stuff until I read your book.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I do not remember. I don't remember. Somebody recommended it.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Well, it's a page turner. You know, it's I listen to it in my car, too. And I listen to it in the sauna. It's one of those books that you kind of have to go over it a couple of times just to sort of digest it and go. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Wait, hold on. Apple cider vinegar they were using to stop people from getting smallpox?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Like what the fuck is that? How is that real? Like doctors were saying that they were treating people with smallpox and they didn't worry about getting it because they were consuming apple cider vinegar multiple times a day. And it actually worked?
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
All right. Thank you again. Thank you very much.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
I really appreciate it. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye.
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#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And so do they say what they see or how they see it? Like if someone writes something down, do they see the word or do they know it?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, in a bizarre way. If the mother doesn't know what it is and the child does, that's strange.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Because autism and blindness, it's a huge impediment, especially nonverbal autism and being blind. How do you learn anything? So you would assume that there's something wrong with the child when really there's just a lack of the ability to communicate.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Have you ever seen this young blind boy that uses echolocation and he can ride a skateboard and move around? How bizarre is that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Very nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well. I really loved your series, the telepathy tapes. I had long suspected that there was some sort of a way to prove that there's something going on. There's no way that that would be a thing for so long that people would talk about telepathy
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Also- But when you're missing a sense, your other senses are stronger. This has always been a suspicion. I think that's been proven. Is that correct? Yeah. That people are better at hearing things if they're blind or seeing things if they're deaf.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
In the wackiest of conspiracy theories when people talk about the government's connection to alien intelligence, that they recruit these nonverbal autistic kids because they're the ones who can communicate with aliens. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
No, I don't believe that either. No, it's the wackiest of conspiracy theories. But the idea being that if you were the government, you would look for someone who is extraordinary in that they... They're more open to this ability to interact than we would be. They do not have the burden of feeling foolish.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
They don't have the burden of societal constraints that we've kind of culturally put on the idea of alien life being able to communicate with them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
That's the first thing you think about. People think about that. If someone's extraordinary, could the government – like the X-Men.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And even if they know what that means, that's the problem. You say you want to be out there. Do you know what that means?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the problem is if they were used and didn't know what they were doing, you know. They would know.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Interesting. When you first started, was there stages of acceptance for you with these ideas? Yeah. What was the first stage?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Non-speakers. So what is the difference between non-verbal and non-speakers?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
control their body and imagine how frustrating that would be yeah um so these people they're they're non-verbal and when you say that they can speak portuguese they they understand portuguese they do they write it like how how does this manifest itself
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So they had to just... Which is wild already. Yeah. Like you have to worry about this kid reading your mind. It might be bullshit.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
That is, that's beyond bizarre. Did you give her cuneiform?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
What does that mean? Is that the Akashic record? Is this child pulling from all the information that's in the ether? How would you be able to read a dead language? What percentage of the human population can read that without AI? Without assistance. It's got to be tiny. It's remarkable.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, I read about a guy who got assaulted and all of a sudden he could do complex geometry.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
These children that can read things, are they typing it out like on an iPad? Are they writing it physically? How do they do it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So there's varying levels of ability in terms of using your body.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
There's still no influence on the words or letters being chosen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. This touch is not guiding them towards specific letters. This touch is just an affirmation just to help them relax, to help them connect. Yeah.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, it would be really interesting to get them in front of some scripts that are very difficult to read. That's why I brought up Cuneiform and Sumerian and maybe even that crazy Voynich manuscript. You know what that is? No. The Voynich Manuscript is a book that is of an unknown language. Okay. And it's highly detailed, and they don't know what it is. They don't know the language.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
This is the Voynich manuscript. They don't know when it emerged. There's a lot of suspicion that someone created it and tried to pass it off and sell it as an ancient language in a book. But then some people disagree with that because they think that the way the words are constructed seems to be in some sort of a uniform way. It's not gibberish. It's not nonsense.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
But they do not know what it says. Obviously, I don't know jack shit about ancient languages, so I'm not the right person to be determining who's correct and who wants it to be correct. So they're saying that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
What is the current state of... Yeah, let's see what it says. Whether they think it's real. Is there like a synopsis on what people think is? There's facsimiles. Interesting. Okay. University of Bristol subsequently removed a reference to Cheshire's claims from its website. What is the website? Cheshire published its translation in the fold-out illustration in 2023.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
He claims it depicts a volcano, theories that it places a manuscript's creator near the island of Volcano. which was an active volcano during the 15th century. However, experts in medieval documents disputed the interpretation vigorously, approached for comment. Lisa Fagan Davis gave this explanation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
As with most would-be Voynich interpreters, the logic of this proposal is circular and aspirational. He starts with a theory about what a particular series of glyphs might mean, usually because the words proximity to an image that he believes can interpret... Okay, so they don't buy that this...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Wow. Imagine if you can get that in front of a nonverbal kid and he's like, oh, I know what that is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Jesus wrote this. Oh, he said he's coming back in August. Like whatever it is. I mean, there's just the fact that the child can read hieroglyphics is insane. I would love to see like cuneiform or Sumerian in particular.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
We had an ancient language scholar named Wes Huffon, and he was explaining how a lot of these interpretations were of the Sumerian text, which is the oldest version of a lot of these biblical stories, in fact. He was like, I can't read it. He goes, I can read all these different languages, but this one is so different than all the others. And it doesn't have anything that's like it.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Like a lot of these other languages, you can find similarities in the way they're structured, the way the sentences are structured. There's none of that with Sumerian. It's like, this is a wacky language. Yeah. He's like, I can't read it. And he was brilliant. Yeah. So when you talk to a guy like that, who's humble about it, but also like very well read. Yeah.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And he's like, I don't know what's going on. Give that to the kid. So interesting. Yeah. I mean, it seems like there's a lot of opportunity to really get into that with these nonverbal kids. If you find one that is there more than one that has this ability to do this?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Wow. Yeah. And is there like even the most out there theory about what's going on?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, that is our version of telepathy. We make noise with our mouth and then you can read my mind.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
It does. Yeah, it does. It's hard to grasp, but it makes sense. Are you aware of the history of research in ayahuasca?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
One of the more interesting aspects of it is when scientists first discovered it and discovered its properties and they did experiments on it, they wanted to call one of the ingredients telepathy. Telepathy. But due to the rules of scientific nomenclature, they realized that it had already been named harmine. So this harmine is one of the ingredients.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's in one of the plants that's used to make this brew. But when the scientists explored this and started experimenting with it, it was somewhere in the early 20th century. They realized that they could read each other's minds and that they were communicating and that they were having a shared experience that seemed to be completely mental.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
But independently, they all verified the exact same thing. And so that's why they wanted to name it telepathy, which is a way more fun word than harmony. Way more fun. Yeah. But this idea that we need something to access this dormant part of what is human consciousness.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
we're way more mental there is a non-physical world that that is out there yeah there's something yeah and this is this work and thomas campbell's work and there's a bunch of people who are considering this now which i always wonder like if you get an enormous number of people that change that have a shift in the way they view reality itself like what impact does that have on reality
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So do you think that this is an emerging aspect of human consciousness? Or do you think perhaps this is something maybe we had before we were verbal that we've lost, but that lays dormant, like that we don't need it. So like a muscle, it atrophies.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And it just doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah. Like why would any I don't understand why spelling would even get involved in this.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Like spelling is universally accepted as being important.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Why would they say... I don't understand. What is the argument that spelling is pseudoscience?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So spelling is pseudoscience for nonverbal people or non speakers, I should say.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And they're only saying this because of the touch, the ability to touch people while they're doing it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So this is why it was confusing. You're saying spelling... In regards to nonverbal people. I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So they're going by this old concept, right? that it's impossible to have any sort of psychic ability. So if you're proving psychic ability through spelling, this is obviously bullshit without any examination of it.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Back to what we were talking about before, that they don't want to be foolish.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Got it. So you're just using the term spelling in a different way. Yes. Most people are accustomed. That's why I wanted to clarify. Yes, yes, yes. Super confused.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's so that seems like that's on them. I mean, if there's evidence that it works like they should be brought up and people should say, like, what you're doing is a disservice, like a huge disservice for for whatever reason, for your own ego, for your own.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And it's just, it makes sense when you connect it to insurance and money in an industry. That's where it gets gross. They're against the competitors. Yeah. Which is probably truth.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. Of course. God, it's always the root of it all. You get to it, there's someone who's profiting and doesn't want to stop profiting. Yeah. Yeah. And the whole industry of a bunch of people working and yuck. So- You first recognize that there is some sort of an ability. When do you start expanding your idea of what children can and can't do? What what what they can and can't see?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Like when when does it get to where you're at now? So like spiritual gifts, when you start accepting those kind of things.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Do you remember like the first one that made you reconsider or consider?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
certain moments where people could read people's minds or certain moments where there was something that was being exchanged that wasn't verbal, it wasn't facial expressions, it wasn't body language, there was something going on. And the telepathy tapes, excuse me, the telepathy tapes, essentially proved it. But what has been, has there been pushback about this?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
People like to dismiss that as being just coincidence, but why do people want to dismiss everything? That's the problem. I think the real fear is being a fool. That's the fear, which is why... The problem with any sort of telepathy or any sort of psychic ability, the problem is there's so many charlatans and so many people get duped and it's really common. I mean it's so common it's everywhere.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Are there any other data points that would indicate that someone would be more likely to have these language skills? Is there any factors about these individuals like the differences in their conditions or the environment in general?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, certainly. And I think skepticism and cynicism is probably also contagious. You probably feel that that negative doubting energy, which is very suppressing, you know, just like and if you're already nonverbal and you're already like dealing with a lot of other stuff like that negativity on top of it, you probably not want to. Even try. Right. Yeah.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. What do you do? You think this is something that you have?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I mean, have you have you tried to encourage it in yourself or have you tried to explore it? Um, well, uh, cause I would imagine if I was doing this work, I'd be like, let me see if I can do this.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You see these psychic palm reading signs everywhere you go. And because of that, it's in the realm forever of nonsense. And if you believe in nonsense, you're not a person to be taken seriously.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
This teacher, did they explain what the sensation was like, like hearing the words in their head? Like, how did they how did they receive these things?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So if you're a scientist and you're studying human neurochemistry and you're studying neuroscience, there's no way you're going to support this unless it's just beating you over the head with overwhelming evidence. Then perhaps you say, maybe there's something here.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Was she hearing that she interpreted as the child's voice? Was it a child's sound?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's so cool, but it's also because of the cultural restrictions that we have put on the idea of telepathic communication. Even while you're saying this, I'm so fascinated and I believe it for sure. Part of me is like, shut up. You know what I mean? It's like that part of you is strong.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I wonder if that part of us, unfortunately, because of all the charlatans and because of the cultural restrictions on just the concept of telepathy, I wonder how much of that holds us back. Because there's some things that you do know and you don't know why you know them.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, and if you're a person who goes on instincts, you'll follow those instincts and you go, I have no idea how I knew that was the right thing to do. But it was.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And also very few people engage with nonverbal people. So for this to be this very bizarre thing. sort of strange phenomena that's happening with these people, you would have to be in that experience with those people to even be able to appreciate what's going on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
I think most people, you know, we're so accustomed to talking, we're so accustomed to typing things out and communicating the way we do normally that we don't even think about what the experience is like for both the parents and the child. And that this is a completely different way of living.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So whatever these innate abilities that we may have, of course, they would be the ones who would have them. It kind of makes sense that they would be the ones that would be so tuned into us. Whereas us, we're sort of probably drowning those thoughts, even if they do exist. We're drowning them off with language, with cultural expectations, with social media, with news.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, with everything. With all this, we're bombarded. We're never even alone with our thoughts anymore. Right. We're just bombarded constantly 24-7. Yeah. I mean this is the number one criticism about social media is that it's shaping your mind in a way that you're not even asking. You really don't have agency over it. You're just constantly being bombarded with data.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And that data, whether you like it or not, even if you're objective, it's changing the way you interface with the world. These people aren't experiencing any of that.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, beyond, right? Yeah. Because it changes the way we think about human beings. It changes what our potential is. I've always thought that it was an emerging aspect of human consciousness. But then as time has gone on, I think – I start to think probably more than that. It probably has always been there.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Animals have weird abilities that we don't understand, like the ability that birds have to navigate. We don't understand what that is. We don't understand how they're doing that. But we know they do it. And they have also – there's some ability that animals have to read electrical signals, to read magnetic signals. What's going on there? What are they doing? It's remarkable.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And then the school of fish is essentially the same thing, but in the water.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, like our feet aren't the same shape anymore because we don't walk barefoot. Our feet have atrophied and gotten withered and twisted and weak. And that's one of the reasons why people wear barefoot shoes, right? Because they want to engage their toes. And if you don't, your foot atrophies and becomes weird. It just makes sense that your mind or these...
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
the abilities of consciousness would also atrophy because they're never used because it's so easy to communicate with words. And so, and it's the, and also you're dealing with other people manipulating those words and trying to decipher whether or not this is true or not.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. It's really weird to look at it in reverse, though, for me, because like I said, I did think it was an emerging aspect. But now I think it's probably not. It's probably something that's been buried by our technology or our progress. Yeah. What we think is progress. It's easier to communicate with people with noises and saying that. But we're probably missing something.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
This thing that used to be a part of us and it comes in these little blips, little weird waves, especially heightened anxiety or heightened, you know, anytime you're stimulated in some sort of a way, which makes sense why with psychedelic drugs, which dissolves the ego, you would have more of those. Right. Right. Right. So have you tried to expand your ability in any way?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Have you tried to meditate and try to find where that is inside your consciousness?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. The response has been insane. The telepathy tapes shot to the top of the charts. Everybody was talking to me about it and sending it to me before I ever wound up listening. It's got to be gratifying in some sort of way that at least people are responding to this and they're very excited about it.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, I'm glad you decided to follow that instinct because the podcast is the perfect way to do it because podcasts are easily shareable.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So that's how things really get out there. Someone tells you about it. You tell other people about it. You go on a podcast, tell people about your podcast. And that's that's what starts it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Also, it's fascinating. And that's what you really want out of a podcast other than humor. You want it to be fascinating. You want it to lock in and excite you. And that certainly does that. And I think most people want to believe, you know.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Well, it certainly seems like it. So what, so has the film started? Have you, where are you at right now?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And have they verified that people who are communicating in this hill are actually communicating with these individuals?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
have you tried to corroborate actual distribution of information, actual communication? Have you done that?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And why is it the hill? Why do they call it the hill universally?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
He named it. How do the other kids name it? I think they're all saying it as well, though, right? They're all saying the same term.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So you think that child, Houston, he named it and then everybody else accepted that name.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
That's the question, right? What is the name? Like, why on the hill?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And this person who's typical, a regular person, got in there. Had they had any experience in the past with any form of telepathy before this?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. But the weird thing is like if this does, I mean, I'm sure you've opened up a lot of people's minds to this. And again, if this expands and then we all agree that this is a thing and that this is a possible thing and then people start trying to figure out what it is and develop methods to try to tap into that, this could be a profound change in just society as a whole. Yeah. Yeah.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
But what's kind of cool... What's going on in your head that you're so worried about?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. What's going on in your head that you don't want everybody to know? Totally. Like, what are your terrible thoughts?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, I think it's the concept of it, too. And also the concept – I think there's a thought that if someone can read your mind that you're more vulnerable, that you can't protect yourself. Like, you know, like if you're like, oh, this person's creepy, let me get away from them. Oh, you think I'm creepy? You know, like that kind of thing. Like that you won't be able to just like avoid people.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. The problem is, like, what if people get really good at that? Like, what if it expands and then people are just entering into your thoughts all the time? I think technologically that's going to happen anyway.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, it's one of the things that Elon has said about this Neuralink device that they're enabling. He said you're going to be able to talk without words.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
The real thought, the real scary thing is that there are a lot of people out there in this world that... do not have thoughts of love and unity. They're damaged, hurtful, evil people, and they want to destroy everything around them, and that those people could acquire this ability. But would they be able to? This is the thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's like, has there been any evidence that evil people have been able to acquire this ability?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So it's almost like they're tapping into some laws of the universe or laws of reality that we kind of know by trial and error. Yeah. But we don't. We don't. I mean. All you need is love. You know, this is always love is a ubiquitous concept. It's like something that everybody always agrees is very important to life and happiness. Yeah. But we don't necessarily practice that culturally. Yeah.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. The reason why to test it with instruments is for skeptics. Right. So once we've all agreed that this is an actual phenomenon, this is a real thing, whatever this is, this is real. Yeah. The best way to test it is really with consciousness.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I know there's a lot of hardcore skeptics that never want to believe.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yes. And well, the thing is, is like there's levels of skeptics. There's people that are just objective and they're like, I need data. I need to see something. And then there's people that it doesn't matter what they see. They're never going to believe. Right. And those are the weird ones because there's a lot of people out there that are self-professed skeptics.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Those are the ones that are the problem. Yeah. Like they call themselves skeptics. Right. Okay.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, how about just be objective? Right. Well, don't just be skeptical. Right. Because if you're completely skeptical and you're always looking for a negative, you're going to be biased by your own preconceived notions.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. And a lot of—for a lot of— Yeah. Well, I mean, there's different kinds of atheists, too. There's some that I would just—I'd say they're self-professed atheists, but they're really more agnostic than anything. Yeah.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I don't even think that's skeptical. That's just objective. Right. Like, because you hear about something completely novel and you're like, okay, what is it? What is that? Is this bullshit? Because you know bullshit. Bullshit's real.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Like, that's why skeptics are important. Or at least being skeptical is important because... There are people that tell you if you join my cult, you will experience bliss and happiness.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
We all give up our money to the guru and he has sex with all of us, but it's great. Like what? Totally. So skepticism is important. It is important. It keeps you from getting hoodwinked.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Open mind is skeptical. Right. But this is the problem with not having the ability to read minds. Right. Is that people can deceive you and you can't really tell. And some people are terrible at it for some reason. Like some people just fall in line with the wrong crowd over and over and over again and they never get it right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You have to be skeptical. Yeah. Or you have to be able to read people.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
and what is reading people though right like there's people that I've met that like right away I'm like this person's broken I gotta get the fuck away from them there's a famous story that with my friend Brian Brian Callen who's a hilarious comedian who always has the worst friends always and one time he showed up at this show that we were doing together with this gal that he was dating and I met her for five seconds and I and he'd always had the worst girlfriends they're always just disasters I get I go get rid of this one
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Please. I go, trust me. You got to move. He's like, what are you talking about? I go, dude, she's crazy. This one's broken. And he's like, no, no, no. I go, dude, I am telling you right now. Turn out she's a meth head. He didn't know. She wound up being a prostitute. It was off the charts. But she was pretty. And he just thought she was friendly to him. And so she was fine.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I read her right away. I'm like, oh. Oh, everything's wrong here. Yeah. And he's like, how did you do that? I'm like, I don't know. I just knew right away you got to get away from her.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And he eventually one day ran into her after they had broken up. She was street walking.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Poor thing. Yeah. But it was like I was like, that one's going to drag you down. Like, get out of there. Yeah. But I knew. I don't know how I knew. Yeah. I mean, it was a simple exchange. Like, hi, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, too. Like, what the fuck's going on here? It was like all my spidey senses were going off.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. And it's not normal. That's not normal. That's not every day. It's not like everybody you meet. Like, some people I meet are like, something's off. Right. Something's wrong with you. Yeah. You have to be able to go on some kind of instinct. We all know... And a lot of it is sort of pattern recognition. A lot of it is prior experiences with similar, the way similar people engage with you.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And you're like, oh, I've seen this before. Like, this is a con man. Oh, I've seen this before. This is a this and this is a that. But sometimes, sometimes it's just like, this is a bad person. Or this one's broken.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Objectivity. To recognize that people that are deceptive are real. And there's people that have ulterior motives. And these ulterior motives you might not understand. And you've got to be able to... You've got to be able to throw everything through a filter. And unfortunately, until we can read minds, you're kind of going on these like, did you hear that? I think I heard something.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
That's really what it's like when you meet a person. It's like there's something. I don't know. Are you being paranoid? I don't know. And then you can convince yourself that you are being paranoid when you're actually not. You're actually accurate. And you're like, oh, you're being silly. No, you're not being silly. You should have followed your initial instincts. Right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Also, if love is unifying, the love of a teacher and a student is absolutely real. Yeah. And it's a special bond. Yeah. Especially really good teachers.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
We have to account for it. We don't exactly know where it comes from. And... there's a lot of people that think that the universe is formed through consciousness. Yeah. This is Thomas Campbell's take on things. Are you familiar with him? Yeah. He was a mind bender when I had him in here. I was like, wait, what are you saying exactly?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Really good educators have like this – because they really genuinely just want to help.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And when someone's a genuine – and you're a child that's vulnerable and confused by the world around you and you're nonverbal and there's someone with genuine love for you.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Like it kind of makes sense that those would be the people that bridge the gap.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. I think men are generally more inclined towards brutish thinking. Yeah. You know, and an ego and like silly ways of viewing the world. And then also preoccupied by their status in life and what that means to, you know, them and their worth as an individual. And all that stuff is a massive impediment to any sort of like real love. Yeah. You're just so self-focused.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, and that's definitely a male trait, especially in this capitalism society where you're constantly trying to achieve a higher level of status. Yeah. And no one's satisfied, including billionaires. Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah, which is just the nuttiest thing of all time. I know. It's like, what is the point? You won the game. I know. The game's over.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
The game's over. You have this crazy opportunity with all this money. Yeah.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Also, why are you still just chasing numbers in a ledger? Because that's what you're doing. You've got lost in this weird game.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And if you went down that path. The thing is, one thing would be if you were super wealthy by some divine intervention or someone just gives you money.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, like some crazy billionaire who's like a telepathy tapes fan. They're dying. And on their will, they say, listen, Kai, you seem cool. I'm going to give you $2 billion. Like, what are you going to do with it? Yeah, but it's different.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
But if you went and tried to earn it, and so your whole life you were focused on these achievements, like I want to have this and that, and I want to be important, I want to be able to influence political parties, and I want to be able to fly in my private jet, and I want an island. You know, you get crazy. And then you never have enough. Right, you want more and more.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, and then you're around people. Like we were talking the other day, Also, my friend Brian has a friend who's worth like $3 billion and he feels poor because he hangs out with these guys that are worth $50 billion. I'm like, that's so crazy. But that's the world that you live in when you're only thinking about numbers on a ledger. You've gotten caught playing a game. You're playing poker.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You have chips. This is all just quantifiable. It's numbers.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Who cares? You're just here's the real number. You got 100 years. Right. You're lucky. Right. That's the real number. Yeah. And if you're 60 and you're right. Yeah. You're almost at the end, buddy. Right. Like, what are you doing?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You have to listen to it three or four times, and then you have to, I told him, listen, let's stop here. We'll do it again because I'm going to have to absorb this. Yeah. But the concept is that Essentially, the universe is formulated through consciousness in some way and that we're interacting with it through consciousness and that it's not as real as we want to believe it is.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. What does that mean? You know, are you going to be the person? Well, when he died, he had so many things. I aspire to be like William. Right. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people that are like that. And they think about old, dead, rich people saying, boy, he really nailed it. He killed the game. You know, and that's you know, that's the thing that they have focused on, unfortunately.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
This is the problem with financial institutions because if all you're doing is trying to acquire more money, well, that's your game. And your game is just do that. And then as you get bigger, you eventually reach a point where like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you kind of control everything. Like you control natural resources. You control land. You control building, housing, transportation.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You have everything? Yeah. This is not good for everybody else. It's not good for everybody else for one entity to have so much power and only be concentrating on numbers. Right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's a competition. It's a subversion of what it's initially supposed to be. It's like when you put mandates on officers achieving a certain amount of arrests in a month.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Or even arrests in general, right? Or prosecutors, right? What is a prosecutor's goal? To win. There's the competition. The competition is I provide evidence that this person is guilty. The defense provides evidence that he is in fact innocent. And we sort it out.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And if you're just trying to win the game, well, then you're a corrupt prosecutor because then you withhold evidence that might exonerate that person or you don't allow DNA or you don't. There's. Yeah. And there's a lot of that. I mean, I work with a guy named Josh Dubin, who's a friend of mine, who's his whole thing is freeing people that are unjustly accused.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And he's just because this podcast, a bunch of people are free right now. Wow. And. The shocking stories that you hear about corrupt prosecutors where these guys get caught and it turns out there's hundreds of people rotting away in a cage that are innocent because of this one corrupt person. And because they played this game of just trying to win. And this is the same game.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's the same game of acquiring numbers, whatever you're trying to do. If that is what your game is, your game is just numbers. Yeah.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, it's just hard to get through people that are completely lost and obsessed.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, when someone is complete, like say a gambling addict, for instance, they're very hard to get to. Yeah. Because they're completely lost and obsessed with this thing that they become addicted to.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Gambling is just all thrills and wins and losses and numbers. Yeah. It's all just, I bet 100,000 on the game and I'm like, I think I got five points on the spread. Yeah. They cover the spread. Then I win. And then I'm out of the hole. And then it's this roller coaster ride.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And so it's very difficult to get to those people that are lost in whatever the game they're playing is, whether the game is gambling addiction or financial addiction, whatever it is. If you're lost in a game, it's very hard to get to those people, especially if they don't have love in their life. Right. And so if all their status is acquired by numbers, by achieving this and
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
pulling up in the brand-new Mercedes and wearing the fine suit and having the expensive watch or whatever it is that your thing is that you want to show up with and there's in this world this this especially today there's all the lures and trappings to pull you into that and you can never get enough you know you can get hand purchase that I mean hand created this and
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, rare that and a limited edition that. Oh, did you get the new one? Oh, and then, you know, you're lost.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. But what it does do, oddly, is it promotes technological innovation. So keeping up with the Joneses and materialism, one purpose that it does serve, oddly... is this constant push towards newer and better things, which I think is also part of the purpose of human life in some sort of a strange way, is that we are pursuing technological innovation above and beyond everything.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
If you could see us objectively, if you could see us outside of culture, outside of language, if you were an alien race and you're observing this weird species, what does it do? Well, it keeps making better stuff. That's what it does. It keeps making better stuff.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
It puts all of its resources into making better stuff, and it's obsessed with acquiring better stuff, even though it has a finite lifespan. It never recognizes, or rarely. It's an odd and beautiful thing when someone recognizes they have a finite life.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right, but even that's subverted by numbers. Yeah, it is. Because the people that are playing the game, everybody wants to see them. They don't get any of the money. The money is all by the commercials and advertising and networks, networks in the organization where they profit in a tune of billions of dollars and literally pay zero to the athletes, which is so gross.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Another disgusting subversion of this whole thing. So the purity is in the athletes, especially if you're competing in a game that has no financial future. If you're the world curling champion or whatever it is, some goofy-ass fucking Olympic sport, there's no – you're just trying to be the best at this thing.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, everything that we've created. Except for the planet itself. Right. Right. Yeah, I've always said that, that I think that ideas might be a life form, that they get into people's heads and then people manufacture physical objects out of these ideas, whether it's art. And I think that's one of the reasons why we like art so much.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's also one of the weirdest attractions. Yeah. Attractance about social media. Yeah. Is what the stuff that people are showing you they have. I know. You know, which is like you can get a lot of followers by having great stuff. And like, look at my stuff. Look at my house. Look at my car. Look at my jet. And people go, wow. And you'll see millions and millions of likes on these videos.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Unboxing things are strange. It's like techno porn. You know, you're watching someone do something you wish you were doing. Oh, I wish I had that. Yeah. It's so weird.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
But it's, you know, it's also very strange when you think about how many people are tuned into that where you never would have expected that in the past. Like there would never be a television show on NBC where someone unboxes stuff. You'd be like, no one's going to watch that. But meanwhile, put it on YouTube and millions of people will watch that stuff.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's like there's just benefits to all this ability to communicate as well. The problem is when it's centralized.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
The real problem with television is that television has advertising. Advertising limits what you can say. And because of that, you know, we censored language. Right. Right. Advertisers didn't want you swearing on television. So the way people talked in real life, they never talked on television.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And, you know, and so that got subverted. True free expression got subverted by advertisement.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I bet I can get mad pretty quick, which is some simple scientific facts.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Profoundly. Yeah. And in a way that I don't think we even appreciate because we're a part of it. Right. I think it's one of those things. We've become accustomed to checking the news on your phone when you wake up in the morning and having friends sending you things. Oh, my God. You see this?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I think a lot of what is being shared, especially publicly, there's too many voices that I think are either intelligence assets or are disinformation experts that are doing it on purpose. The same feeling that I get Like when I said I met my friend's ex-girlfriend, I was like, oh, get out now. I have that feeling about the UAP thing. When I hear people talk, nothing seems real to me.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
When I talk to people about it, there's not one. I mean, even when people tell me their own personal experiences, I believe them. It does not register as real.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Something registers as being nonsense. There's something maybe not nonsense, but maybe way weirder than what they're explaining it like, like non-physical interaction that they are reinterpreting as like physical interaction.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
That there's some there's some disconnect between their work. Like if someone tells me an experience that they had, like here's a good example. My friend Steve told me a harrowing experience of them being attacked by a brown bear in Alaska. And when he tells you this story, first of all, I know it's real because I know multiple people who were there. They were all there. No one got hurt.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
It was very fortunate. But they got charged by a grizzly who ran through their tent. One of my friends was on its back for like 10 yards. Oh, my gosh. Like it literally plowed through the people and he wound up like riding its back for like 10 yards before he fell off. Wow. Yeah. It was just like, I mean, it can cover 10 yards in a second.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And the whole thing was just insane chaos. And the way he describes how your reptilian brain completely takes over. The fear is so overwhelming and different than anything you've ever experienced before. I know it happened. Yeah. And he's telling me this. I know it happened. When these people are telling me about talking to aliens, I'm not getting nothing out of them. I'm not getting nothing.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
There's no charge. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I just don't get anything from their story. I hear it. It's interesting. But I don't get anything that lights any bells. There's no bulbs go off with me.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I just sit there and go, wow. Okay, so what were you thinking? And I'm asking them questions, but I'm not getting nothing.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So that leaves me, because I know that. For sure, the government has technology that they do not want the general public to be aware of for reasons of national security or whatever it is. Or money has been pushed through to finance things and they lie to Congress and they have to keep lying, whatever the reason is. That's real.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
There's most certainly black ops programs that the general public is not aware of. That's always going to be the case. If you have those, what better way to hide them than in plain sight and with a bunch of people that are air quote whistleblowers that go out and tell everybody about all these experiences. They're not of this earth.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And that's what I would do if I was the government and I wanted to be super sneaky. I would have a bunch of my like really clever agents go and whistleblow, tell some stories, talk about people that have been abducted, talk about all these different things. Yeah. And then on top of that, there's real experiences. So I think.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I think there is something because it exists throughout history, just like telepathy exists throughout history and ghosts exist throughout history and religion exists. There's something there. There's something there that's distorted by our very slippery grasp on truth.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. There's also just too many stories from hundreds of years ago that are incredibly similar to the things that people are talking about today.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Exactly. I just finished his third book. Yeah. I mean – That's the mind – but he's great because he's not a believer. Yeah. He's very skeptical about a lot and highlights a lot of the bullshit to the point where you're like, okay, what's true? Yeah. Yeah.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
The only ones. The only ones you can trust. Because there's too many people that are out there telling you, I know what's happening. We're about to experience a contact. All of the people, the Joint Chiefs of Staff have been notified. And, like, those people I don't want to talk to. Like, you shut the fuck up. You don't know anything. There's no way you know.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You're just taking advantage of this very weird moment in time where people aren't sure. But there's all this discussion, this phenomenon, and you've grifted yourself to this.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. And our consciousness is confined by identity. It's confined by so many different things, so many walls that we put up and ego and blinders and self-delusion. There's always just weird things that we have in our mind because we don't necessarily have a very good mind.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, they have insane noses. They can smell individual ingredients in a hamburger. Wow. That's so fascinating. And a bear is like 10 times stronger than that, which is bananas. Amazing. They can smell human beings hundreds of yards away. Right. Just a whiff of the wind and then all of a sudden they're like, oh, people, let's get the fuck out of here.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Wave your hand above an earthworm. There's no idea what's going on. There's no idea what's going on. Yeah. It doesn't need to. Right. Lives its life underground. Those senses are not necessary. Right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. Yeah. And our senses most likely have atrophied. You know, that's the real thing is that, you know, there's a lot of talk from, you know, ancient. whether it's ancient religious texts, of contact, of something communicating with you that's not physically there. And you gotta wonder, was this really common for people?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
There's so many descriptions of being contacted by something that's not there. Was that, before language, normal?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. It's the birds flying around in unison. Like, somehow or another, they're tuned in to some... Some pattern that they never collide. How do they not collide? I mean, that's like so spectacular that you're literally hundreds of feet above the earth. You get knocked unconscious. You're both dead and no one collides ever.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I mean, imagine like, why would you do that? Like what? What benefit? What evolutionary benefit, what natural survival benefit would there be in a bunch of you flying around in weird patterns in the sky? Like, look at that.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
That is so beautiful. The only thing I've heard is they just look like a bigger thing.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
That doesn't scare off fish. They go right to that big thing. That's the problem, you know? When tuna see that big thing, they're like, fuck, yeah. Look how crazy that is. I mean, it's so beautiful. But why would that be a benefit to like being a bigger thing? That would make you a bigger target. I don't, I mean, it's just weird. It's so weird. Like no one's falling.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
How come they're not colliding? How come they're not falling?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
They communicate. We don't know what they're doing. We don't know how they do it, but they decide. Come up with me, man. Yeah. Yeah, there's something. Because they flank animals. They know how to do it. They know to chase animals into canyons, and then they get on the other side of it, and they capture them when they're trying to escape.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, I think chimpanzees do it too. I think they all have roles and they know what role to play. And they just sort of like lock in on this task together. And somehow or another communicate. Like they lay in wait. They know when to wait.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, it's so cool. I mean... Imagine if one day we can figure out through technology to access minds of animals and see how an owl thinks. What's the process in their mind when they lock on to something? What is a predator thing? Does a prey animal know when it's being watched?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I'm a hunter. They don't always know. They don't know at all. Sometimes they don't know at all.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Sometimes like 50, 60 yards and they have no idea you're there. Wow. But a lot of times they're distracted too because they're in the rut. So they're mating and they're distracted, which is a rude way to hunt them. But that's how people hunt them. Yeah.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I mean, not always. A lot of animals you hunt that are not in the rut. But, you know, like white-tailed deer, elk, primarily you hunt them when they're in the rut.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
There's some animals, though, that are very, very difficult to hunt. And one of the reasons why is you don't hunt them when they're in the rut. Like mule deer. Mule deer are the most clever and the most aware of all deer species because they're constantly being pursued by mountain lions. Oh. So they're always like, what the fuck is that? Yeah, they're totally nervous.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
They're always on edge, and they have an uncanny ability to get out of the way. They know something's there, and they're like, fuck this, and they just bounce out. Yeah. Yeah, you've got to sneak up on them when the wind's blowing. People take their shoes off to creep up on them.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
tactical yeah well you have to be yeah because you have to especially bow hunting yeah so you have to get ideally you want to get within inside of 60 yards yeah that's really what you want especially a mule deer is not that big an elk is a much larger target but a mule deer is you know big ones like 300 pounds you you've got to get pretty close and they fucking know something's up yeah they know something's up yeah you know sometimes you're staring at them and they just like what the fuck
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, they're just tuned in. Yeah. There's also, I don't know if this is real or not, but there's a company called Hex. And they make these, they make clothes that block out your electrical signal. And one of the things, like it's very hard to discern whether or not it works with mammals. But it seems to work really well with fish. Right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So there's a lot of video evidence of these people putting these heck suits on underneath their wet gear or their scuba gear and then going in the water and being able to get like right up close to fish. They don't even know what the fuck is going on.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Very controversial in the hunting world, whether or not these things are real. Some people 100% believe in them, and there's a bunch of evidence that people wear them, and then they sit in a field, and turkeys get right next to them. What? Weird. And turkeys have incredible vision. Turkeys have better vision than humans.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. But the really compelling stuff to me is the water stuff, because they do it in the water. Yeah. The idea is that prey animals have this electrical, some sort of signal that they're giving off that these animals can pick up.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, fish have a thing called a lateral line. Have you ever seen that line on a fish? So that lateral line is interpreting movement in the water. It's interpreting.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. And the problem is, you know, these people believe it, and I don't know if they've done, like, how would you do a double-blind study with this? Right. You know, would you – you're dealing with completely different fish, completely different time. Yeah. You know, what did that fish – did that fish just experience a shark 30 minutes ago? What do you – you know, what's going on?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You have to do it a lot. And I don't know if they've done that because I think they're just trying to sell this thing that may or may not work.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Supposedly. What is their explanation for what it does? Has something to do – Because there's no way to measure that. Well, the human body is essentially an electrical system, right? So it kind of makes sense that we would give off some sort of a visual representation or some senses that we don't understand. Just as electromagnetic patterns or something like that. Huh. All right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
What is – Google hex suit debunked. Google that. HEC suit, HECS suit debunked. I wonder if anybody's ever tried to debunk it and say that's nonsense. Because I know a lot of people that don't think it works. They don't want to wear them. But I know my friend John Dudley, who's one of the best hunters in the world, he wears it every time he goes hunting. Really? Yeah. Fascinating.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
He thinks animals can't see him as well when he wears it. That's so interesting.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Sometimes. Maybe. I don't know. No, I think the fact is more important because if you're doing both things, if you're doing everything correctly – But one thing does give you – like camouflage works. We know it works because there's something about the way animals see. They essentially see movement and line detection. So they see the frame of a human being clearly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
If you're wearing black and you're standing there and you're a bipedal thing, they're like, oh, fuck that. That's a person. Let's get out of here. But if your lines are completely broken up by camouflage and you stand still, they don't see you. They see nonsense. Yeah, just nonsense. They see the woods. They see, you know, you blend in.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And that's why camouflage doesn't have to look like leaves and sticks. It can just look like patches of black and stripes and tiger stripes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah, it does. It does make sense. I mean, that's why animals in nature have that. I was watching this thing where they were explaining what animals see versus what we see, why tigers would be so beautifully colored because the animals don't see that color for whatever reason.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
But they do see the lines and the lines completely blur in with the grass because animals see in black and white or in a weird sort of shade.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Because, by the way, if you have odor blocking, the animals smell the odor blocking. And they're like, what the fuck? Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
That stinky fucking weird smell. There's no way. We smell so bad to animals. There's no way. They smell us like we smell a skunk.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. You know, you could smell a skunk that gets killed like five blocks away. That's how they smell us. They know we're in the neighborhood. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't think that scent stuff does anything. I mean, maybe it blocks a little bit. So maybe it helps a little bit. Maybe.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
I mean, you're looking for every little edge because you're essentially competing with the survival instincts of something that has existed in that form for a thousand years or excuse me, a million years or more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. The only reason why you win is because you have a bow and arrow. Right. Or you have a rifle and you know which way the wind's blowing. Yes. That's the big thing. Yeah. It's like if you get winded, if they smell you, it's over.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Like the whole thing is the wind has to be in your face. So if you're looking at the animal, the wind has to be coming in your direction. If the wind hits the back of your neck, it's over. Really? You feel it. You're like, oh, shit. Yeah. Because they'll smell you instantly. They're like, what the fuck this?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Instantaneously. Wow. Yeah. A hundred yards away, they just start running.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
No, it has to go to them. That's why they always find themselves, they always bed down in a position where the wind is coming straight to them towards any threats. And then the females will line up and look in the other way. So they'll look towards the way where the wind is going.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And then everyone will line out so the wind comes to them and then some will look in the opposite direction. Wow. Yeah. And try to keep their eyes open. But again, it's because they're dealing with cats. Yeah. It's a fascinating sport, though.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's also bizarrely psychedelic in this weird way. When when you're there, the world doesn't exist. And when you see these animals, you connect with them in some sort of a strange way. And you're trying to like almost not exist. You're trying to like give off nothing, which is what cats do when you see them creeping up on things. They're not like, oh, motherfucker. Yeah, right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
They're like locked in. Yeah. It's locked in almost like non-existent until they go. And then the whole thing is like I got to be able to move quicker than you can run away.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. It's a weird. But it's whatever these animals are experiencing with each other is probably some form of telepathy as well. You know, how do they know? Like, how do wolves know to work together? Is it just trial and error? Yeah. It seems like they have roles, that they have predetermined roles. One of them will chase them down. The other one will be laying in wait. They do stuff together.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Diane Boyd. Yeah. Fascinating. Yeah. She's so interesting. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, rightly so. Yeah. How many people get killed by wolves every year versus people? Yeah. Yeah. People are way creepier. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Wolves are just real. I mean, clear, not simple, complex, obviously, but clear in what they're trying to do. They're trying to eat and survive. And that's that's their job.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah, we got a lot of tangents. But that's the beauty of the human mind. It is. I love the human mind. It does go on tangents.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
I think that we're all sort of trying to understand why we view the world the way we do and how much of that has been...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
projected upon us by culture and society and how much of it is things we understand innately how much how many things we can't prove but that are a part of this world that we live in right and i think what your show has done with the telepathy tapes and i'm sure what the documentary has done is i think more important than anything open up this possibility to be explored
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
the muse you know to uh to to guide you yeah yeah to guide you towards something that can illuminate this issue so did you have a preconceived notion of telepathy or spiritual gifts or anything before this
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And recognizing that it's real and that these preconceived notions that we've held on to for so long are probably erroneous. We probably have screwed ourselves by latching on to the idea that this is it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
This is all that we have. And this is the way to live life. And, you know, put your suit on and go to work.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's pretty good. That's great. Shout out to Black Rabbit Coffee.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
What is your hope for this stuff? In your most ideal scenario, how obviously your show's been received in a tremendously positive way, and people are super intrigued, and it's really popular. So that's great. So more discussion, but in an ideal scenario, what would you like to happen?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
That concept is just so hard to grasp. Yeah. If you haven't read any of Tom Campbell's stuff or haven't considered this or listened to Rupert Sheldrake talk or your show, it's like it's so hard for people to grasp that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
I mean, he is like – I got a lot of text messages from buddies after that. Like, what the fuck, dude? I'm so confused.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So once the documentary is out, what do you hope to do next? Do you have a game plan?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
That and more, right? More people coming out, more people understanding it, more people grasping it, more people accepting. And then this sort of changes everything. Yeah. The level of cynicism. So it changes the level of negativity and it opens up the acceptance of this stuff. And then maybe we learn more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, it's a beautiful answer. That's a good way to wrap this up. Kai, thank you very much for being here, and thank you very much for your series. It's really incredible, and I can't wait to watch the documentary, and I'd love to have you back on whenever it releases.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Okay, let's do it. Let's do it. All right. Telepathy tapes. It's available basically everywhere. Spotify, Apple, whatever, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's really incredible. I loved it. All right. That's it. Thank you very much. Thank you, Joe. Thank you. Bye, everybody.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So let's let's talk about what you saw first. Like what was the first example where it was like an aha moment for you?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it's great because then if they're communicating, they're only communicating. They're not sharing things or Snapchatting each other back and forth and the addictive qualities of these phones. Which is, if you think about the course of human evolution and you think of how we adapted to agriculture and civilization and we essentially became softer and less muscular and less aggressive.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That took a long time. A long time. That was a long time. This thing is hitting us so quickly and one of the bizarre things is it creates a disconnection even though you're being connected to people consistently and constantly through social media.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
There's a disconnection between human beings and normal behavior and learning through interaction with each other, social cues, all the different things that we rely on to learn how to be a friend and to learn how to be better at talking to each other.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But what concerns me is as this tech gets more and more invasive in terms of how human beings, particularly children, interface with it, and as it gets, I mean, really we would just be guessing as to what comes out of AI and to what kind of world we're even looking at in 20 years.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It seems like it's having a profound effect on the behavior of human beings, particularly young human beings and their developmental. How old are you? I'm 48. I'm 57. So when I grew up, there was zero of this. And I got this slow trickle through adulthood from when I was a child, the VHS tapes and answering machines through the big tech.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
So we went through the whole cycle of it, which is really interesting. So you get to see this profound change in people and what it's doing to kids. And you've got to wonder, like, what is that doing to the species? And is that going to be normal? Is it going to be normal to be emotionally disconnected and, like, very bizarre in our person-to-person interface?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it's also a completely novel new thing that we weren't prepared for. So before there was social media and online news, no one was prepared for the world of the algorithm. No one was prepared for being like –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
literally everything that freaks you out is what you'll be shown because that shows that you're engaging and that's how it's set up for it, which is just so contrary to the rest of history. I mean, it was always, it bleeds, it leads in the news because they wanted people, they wanted to win ratings news, but they only had so much control and it was only on for an hour. Exactly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it seems it's inevitable, right? AI's emergence and where it goes from here on is inevitable. It's going to happen. And we should probably try to steer it at least in a way that benefits everybody. And I agree with you. There is a world I could see where AI changes everything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And one of the things that makes me most hopeful is a much better form of translation so that we'll be able to understand each other better. It's a giant part of the problem in the world. It's, you know, the Tower of Babel. So we really can't communicate with each other very well. So we really don't know what the problems are in these particular areas or how people feel about us.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, it's... Yeah, we can't. And it's very easy to not empathize with someone where you don't even know what their letters are.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Oh, I've had that with when I interview fighters. I've had translators.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And now it's just this 24 seven anxiety fest and,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, I see what you're saying in the final example as the rosy scenario. That's the best case option, right? That it gives people the freedom to be more creative and to pursue different things. I think there's always going to be a market for handmade things. People like things. They like an acoustic performance. They like stuff where it's very human and very real.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But there's a lot of people that just want a job. And these people maybe just aren't inclined towards creativity. And maybe they're very simple people who just want a job and they just want to work. Those are the people that I worry about.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
What are your thoughts on universal basic income as a band-aid to sort of mitigate that transition?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It's a best-case scenario, right, because your parents worked their way out of it. My parents worked their way out of it. But some people are just content to just get a check. And this is the issue I think that a lot of people have is that people will become entitled and just want to collect a check. And if it's a substantial portion of our country, like if universal basic income is
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
If AI eliminates, let's just say a crazy number, like 70% of the manual labor jobs, truck drivers, construction workers, all that stuff gets eliminated. That's a lot of people without a purpose. And one of the things that a good day's work and earning your pay, it makes people feel self-sufficient. It makes people feel valuable. It gives them a sense of purpose.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
They could look at the thing that they did, maybe build a building or something like that and drive their kids by. Hey, we built that building right there. Oh, wow. It's a part of their identity. And if they just get a check and then what do they do? Just play video games all day?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That's the worst case scenario is that people just get locked into this world of computers and online and just receive checks and have the bare necessities to survive and are content with that and then don't contribute at all.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Boy, what kind of people are going to go first there?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. Sure. Just like the people that got on the Pinta, the Santa Maria and made their way across the ocean.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. But to want to go to a place that doesn't even have an atmosphere that's capable of sustaining human life and try to figure – and you can only go back every couple of years and like – Those people are going to be psychos. You're going to have a completely psychotic Australia on meth. You know, it's like the worst case scenario of the cast outs of society.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
You wouldn't know. Yeah. That could be the future, instantaneous communication with people on other planets, just like you could talk to people in New Zealand today.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, then also with quantum computing and one of the things about AI that's been talked about is this massive need for energy. And so they're going – at least it's been proposed to develop nuclear sites specifically to power AI, which is wild.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But isn't the problem... With introducing this to other countries, and I believe it was India where they introduced nuclear power plants, then they realized very quickly they could figure out how to make nuclear weapons from that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And the real problem would be if that is not a small handful of countries that have nuclear weapons, but the entire world, it could get very sketchy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
So to explain to people that 2 plus 2 equals 5 is a bizarre thing that was going around where they were talking about how math is racist. Exactly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
One of the strangest things about us is the kind of wisdom that's necessary to sort of see the future and prognosticate and see where this could go, especially based on the history of human beings and how many times things have changed. Like you were talking about Sri Lanka, but there's many examples all over the world of civilizations that were thriving, that were pounded into dust.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Which is, oh, no. If math is racist, we have a real problem. Because that means everything's racist. Because everything's math.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And because every day is similar for us, we have this inability to look forward and to make that leap and see the potential for disaster that all these things have. And this is what freaks me out about when people talk openly about, you know, we have to win with Russia versus Ukraine. What are you talking about?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. What does that mean? This sounds insane. And then applauding the long range attacks into Russia now, like this escalation. Oh, you know, they're attacking Russia now. They'll show them. Are you in a movie? Do you think that this always ends up with the good guys winning? Because that's not the case in human history at all.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And not only that, there is no good guy if people start launching nukes. Everybody's a bad guy and everybody's fucked. And that's on the table. When you see long-range Israel bombing campaigns in the Lebanon and you see what's going on with Ukraine and Russia, who knows? Who knows how this escalates? Who knows what the retaliatory response is? Who knows what the response to the response is?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
The other problem that America clearly has is that there are – there's an enormous portion of what controls the government, whether you want to call it the military industrial complex or – military contractors, there's so much money to be made in pushing that line, pushing it to the brink of destruction but not past, maintaining a constant state of war but not an apocalypse.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And that as long as there's financial incentives to keep escalating and you're still getting money and they're still signing off on – hundreds of billions of dollars to funnel this. And it's all going through these military contractors and bringing over weapons and gear. And the windfall is huge. The amount of money is huge.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And they do not want to shut that off for the sake of humanity, especially if someone can rationalize. You get this diffusion of responsibility when there's a whole bunch of people together and they're all talking about it. Everyone's kind of on the same page and you have shareholders that you have to represent. Like the whole thing is bananas.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Like, he's in this frenzy of this intense scene. But what is fucking, what is Bill doing? Republican talking points on Fox News? No, that was a different time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
What would be an example of that other than weapons manufacturing? Like what would be equally economically viable?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
As long as there's not still a business for war.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
This is my one bright spot that I think about with AI as well. It's like, everyone's terrified of the open border situation and criminals coming across the border. And Wouldn't the solution be not have a place like a desperate third world country where people are trying to escape on foot with their families?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
If we were living next door to another United States and you could just travel freely back and forth between the two of them because it really didn't matter. Both of them are equally safe. Both of them have equal economic prosperity. Both of them are equally democratically governed. No problem. Just go over there. Go over here. I mean, it kind of used to be like that with Canada.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
With Canada, you used to go over there with a driver's license. You used to be able to go back and forth between the United States. I mean, I think the first time I went to Canada, I did not have a passport. I had a driver's license. And it was kind of the same sort of deal. It was just accepted. Oh, that place is cool. We're cool. We're next to each other. If the whole world was like that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It would be incredible. Right. It would be incredible. And I think AI makes that possible.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I think it makes that possible. And we're going to have to deal with a few very uncomfortable factors, one of them being the illegal drug trade and another one being the consequences of prohibition and forcing people into doing things of drugs. Prohibition of drugs? But I feel like the only way to disempower illegal drug manufacturing is to have legal drug manufacturing that's regulated.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
The only way to stop fentanyl overdoses is to have cocaine become legal. But the problem with that is you get a bunch of people that are addicted to cocaine.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
They don't do fentanyl on purpose. They start it because of a prescription? No. Most fentanyl overdoses is fentanyl that's cut into other drugs, particularly party drugs like molly and ecstasy, cocaine, even heroin, things along those lines where people think that they're getting a pure thing, but they're getting it from the cartel.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yes. It's cheap and it's very small amounts of fentanyl do incredible damage. Like the amount of fentanyl that can kill you is like the head of a nail. It's very small. Have you seen it in relationship to a penny?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It's crazy. So the problem is if you have a drug and you've cut it with a bunch of other things because you want to sell as much of it as possible, you add a bunch of things into it and to increase the potency they add fentanyl. And because of that, it's all done illegally, it's unregulated, so a lot of people die. And the numbers in the United States, I think there are upwards of 100,000 people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, I think you're going to have to have a massive education campaign, and people are going to have to understand it the same way they understand cigarettes. Like, cigarette smoking in young people is down quite a bit from the 80s, right? and I think that's because of people understanding the consequences of it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But you're always going to have people that want to smoke cigarettes, and my belief is that they should be able to smoke cigarettes. I don't think you should do Adderall all day, but if you get a prescription, you can do it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But at least in my mind, you're getting Adderall from a pharmacy, and that pharmacy is going to give you actual Adderall and not some fentanyl-laced thing that's going to kill you and... you have no idea. You think you're taking the same thing you've always taken, and then one day you're dead. And that's the case with a lot of people today, especially with party drugs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I don't think you should do heroin. I don't think you should do cocaine. I don't think you should fuck your life up. And I know too many people who have fucked their life up. But I also don't think that I should be able to tell you what you can do, especially when there's all these drugs that are readily available, particularly alcohol, which is one of the most destructive drugs to your health,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
to relationships and families, to societies. How many alcoholics? How many drunk driving accidents? How many drunk people murdered other people? There's just horrible consequences of alcohol, but I completely support alcohol being legal. Yeah, same. But we have learned how to consume alcohol as a culture.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, first of all, they were already off the rails. This is not like legalizing drugs in San Francisco in the year 2000. It's a completely different scenario. So you have these people that are really...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
They're accustomed to tents and subsidizing drug addicts, and they're accustomed to this very bizarre breakdown of civil society where you're seeing open-air drug markets, and everyone's fine with it, and it's somehow or another – kind and compassionate to allow this to take place everywhere. And that's what you have in Portland, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Portland is probably one of the most liberal cities that we have, the most leftist cities that we have. So for Oregon to do it that way, I think it's a like an awesome libertarian notion to say, you know what, we shouldn't make any of these things a crime. These are personal choices and you can make good personal choices or bad ones. We'll have everything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But the problem is the fabric of society, the encouragement of discipline and of hard work and of accomplishment had been eroded to the point where accomplishment meant that there was something wrong with you. Like if you were a person that was eat the rich, tax the rich, if you're a person that had accomplished something great, it wasn't because of some extraordinary effort you put in.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Even if it was, it was you did something to fuck over other people. And that's the only way you get rich in this world. And it's just ridiculous. It's bizarre. And it permeated Portland. So when you introduce free heroin to that, you're going to get more problems. And you're subsidizing people for living on the streets, which they do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I watched this interview where they were talking to these people in the Pacific Northwest where they moved there specifically so they could be homeless because they knew that they'd get money. And there's no incentive to get out of those tents. There's no incentive. There's free food and free drugs, and they give you money. And they're like, OK.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I think. Have you ever heard of Dr. Carl Hart? No. He's a professor. Is he at Columbia? I believe he's at Columbia. Carl Hart was a straight chemist, like a guy studying chemistry and studying these substances in Colombia. And he was a clinical researcher. And along the way, he started realizing that our –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Our understanding of these drugs and the pros and cons of them had been flavored by propaganda heavily, particularly the sweeping act of 1970 that made almost everything illegal, which was really to target civil rights groups and anti-war people. And so this was during the Nixon administration. They made a bunch of things that were psychedelics.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, MKUltra was actually before that. It was when they were experimenting with people, particularly with LSD. So when they started doing this, they made everything illegal. And now the only way you can get any of these things is through illegal sources. So you're getting them through the cartels. So if we don't have the ability to legalize things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And the problem with legalization, there's no good answer here. So to keep things illegal, you're going to have fentanyl overdoses. I know people have lost their children. I know people have lost their brothers and sisters to this. It's a horrible thing that happens. You're also going to get heroin overdoses if it's legal. So Jesus Christ.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And you're going to get more people to try it because it's legal. But it's just like prohibition during the 1920s or the 1930s, rather. When they had that, what they did was they enabled the mob. And they enabled organized crime. And that was the rise of Al Capone. And that was the rise of the moonshiners. And you essentially, you always had a demand.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And the people that were willing to supply that demand were criminals. Right. And they were criminals in this country. We're empowering criminals that are essentially running Mexico, which is bizarre. I know during the latest election, how many assassinations were there? Was it 37 or 35? During their latest elections- In Mexico. In Mexico. There was at least 35 assassinations. Wow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
37. 37 assassinated candidates. I mean, you have to play ball with the cartel over there. You know, just like you had to play ball with the mob in the 1930s. You have to play ball. They have the guns and they're really mean and they'll do whatever the fuck they want to you. The 2021 midterms when 36 candidates were killed.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, it's wild down there. That is a direct... result of having trillions of dollars being made by selling illegal drugs and made most of them to sell to America. I'm sure they sell them to other places as well.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
No, I don't think there's a lot of money in that. The real money's in like meth. Meth, cocaine. They have a problem with illegal marijuana that's grown in the United States on national forest land. Because what happened is, especially in California, my friend John Norris, he wrote a book called The Hidden War.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And he was a fish and game officer and basically wanted to be the guy that checks your fishing license. Like, great job. You're out in the outdoors. And one day... It's the beginning of a movie. It is the beginning of a movie. I'm sure they're probably doing a movie on it. But in one day, they find this creek that is dried up and they think that perhaps- Oh, they diverted the water.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Someone's diverted the water. They thought it was a farmer that had done something inappropriate or whatever. So they follow the creek up and they find this illegal grow up that's run by the cartel. And then they become a tactical unit and they have Belgian Malinois and bulletproof vests and- Machine guns. The whole thing's crazy. And they get in shootouts with the cartel in National Forest Land.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Because it's a misdemeanor to grow pot illegally in a state where pot is legal. So California has legal marijuana. You could go to any store anywhere, use credit cards. It's open, free market. If you follow the rules, you can open up a store. But if you don't follow the rules, you can sell it illegally, and it's just a misdemeanor.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
In some states. I know in Colorado, it was a real problem. And in Colorado, they had to do everything in cash.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, they were using mercenaries. They're essentially using military contractors to run the money back and forth to the bank because you had to bring the bank money in bulk. So you'd have a million dollars in an armored car and a bunch of guys tailing the car in front of the car and they're driving it to the bank and everyone knows there's a million dollars in their car.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
So you have to really be fortified. And so it was very sketchy for a lot of people. I don't know what the current condition in Colorado is now. I don't know if they still have to do it that way.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, it's gray. And they're trying to diminish that. The latest steps during the Biden administration is to change it to a Schedule 3. And that's a proposal. That would help. But really, it should be just like alcohol. It should be something that you have to be 21 years old to buy. You should have to have an ID. And we should educate people how to use it responsibly.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And we should also pay attention to whoever the fuck is growing it and make sure you're not going wacky. There's people that are botanists that are out of their mind potheads that are just 24-7 hitting bongs, and they're making stuff that'll put you on Mars without Elon Musk.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, they do regulate it in California. If you go to good places in California, let's say this is 39% THC, which is very high.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
this is 37 this is you know but then there's also the problem with one thing that marijuana seems to do to some people that alcohol doesn't necessarily some people have a propensity for alcoholism and it seems to be genetic but there's a thing that happens with marijuana where people who have a tendency towards schizophrenia marijuana can push them over the edge and alex berenson wrote a great book about this called tell your kids
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And I've personally witnessed people who have lost their marbles. And I think it's people that have this propensity. Because one of the things that I think is beneficial about marijuana in particular, and this is one of the things that freaks people out, is the paranoia. Paranoia, I feel like what it is, is a hyper-awareness.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, isn't that part of the problem with eliminating gifted classes? I think they're doing that in New York. Is that where they're doing that? Find out if that's the case. There's some where there's this hot controversy about eliminating the concept of gifted classes. But the reality is there's some people that are going to find regular classes, particularly mathematics and some other things.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And I think it pushes down all these boundaries that you've set up, all these walls and all these blinders. so that you see the world for what it really is. And a lot of people, it freaks out. But what I think it does is it ultimately makes you more compassionate and kinder and nicer. And you realize like- In the moment or afterwards? Afterwards.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I think it's a tool for recognizing things that you are conveniently ignoring. And my friend Eddie told me about this once. He was saying, if you're having a bad time and you smoke marijuana, you're going to have a worse time. Because you're already freaking out. You're already freaking out about something. If you're going through a horrible breakup and you get high, like, oh, no one loves me.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But if you're having a great time with your friends, you'll probably just laugh and be silly, right? Because you're not freaking out about something. You probably – you're in a good place mentally, which we should all strive to be in a good place.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, I think there are whiskey connoisseurs and there are, I mean, there is like scotch, like old scotch does have a fantastic taste. It's got an interesting sort of an acquired taste. But there's real wine connoisseurs.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Wine is a different animal. Wine is incredible. The flavor of wine is spectacular. It's the most delicious of all alcohols without being sweet.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. It's a different thing. Like the people that say they're tequila connoisseurs, like, shut up. It all tastes like shit.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, I drink a glass of wine with a steak, and it's like, oh, this wine's fucking great. I totally agree with you. And it puts you in a calm. It relaxes me. You don't want to go drive fucking wild and get crazy and get in a fight when you're drinking wine.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
They're going to find them a little too easy. They're more advanced. They're more advanced students. And those students should have some sort of an option to excel. And it should be inspiring. It may be intimidating, but also inspiring to everybody else. I mean, that's part of the reason why kids go to school together. Look how hard she works. She works so much harder than me.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But it's a weird status thing, the expensive wine. It's just like Cuban cigars.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Is there a limitation? Like, is there a certain specific amount that you have to buy?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And so a retail store could just buy a few bottles?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But when I hear people that are going to open up their own wine label, I'm like, oh, good Lord. How much do you know about wine? Like, oh, I'm going to start a wine business. Like, what?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Look how much she's getting ahead. Fuck, I've got to work harder. And it really does work that way. That's how human beings, in cooperation, that's how they grow together.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Oh, yeah. They do weird stuff. Like, they'll splice avocado trees with—what is that nut? So they'll take avocado trees and they splice them with pistachios to make the tree more sturdy. You can take two different species of tree, and if you cut them sideways and splice them together, they'll grow more.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
So when you usually do it, do you have to have that potato and they have to soak it so a sprout comes out of it and then plant it? Is that what they do? I don't know. Because I've seen that before. I've always wondered how they're doing that.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, they still have real tomatoes. You have to search for real tomatoes here. If you want an heirloom tomato, that's an actual tomato. The tomatoes that we have are just these freaks.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Oh, that's right. He was a gossip guy. He was like an Entertainment Tonight type guy. Inside Edition. One of those deals. Inside Edition. Is that what it was? That's what it's called. Ah, yeah. And fucking those things. They never go away. It's such a weird environment, the left and right. There's no, like, centrist news source on television.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Have you ever worn a glucose monitor when you were in Italy?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I'd like to know because there's a difference that the way my body responds. I can tell you how my body feels.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And it's just the difference in the food system.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, you feel completely different. Even when you eat things like pizza over there, you don't feel like you ate a brick. I've eaten pizza here and I love it, but when I'm over, I'm like, oh. What did you do? What did you do? Like you ate a brick. But over there, it's just food. It tastes great. The pasta doesn't bother you. Nothing bothers you. It's just whatever they're doing.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And there's many things. Just one of them, they're not using enriched flour. And another thing is they have heirloom flour. So it hasn't been maximized for the most amount of gluten.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. What's possible? How much can you really affect with regulation? How much can you really bring to light? And what are we going to learn about our food system? I mean, even Canada, one of the things about the hearings that they just had was they were comparing Lucky Charms that they sell in the United States that are very brightly colored versus Lucky Charms they sell in Canada.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Completely different looking product because in Canada it's illegal to use those dyes that we use ubiquitously. And those dyes are terrible for you. We know they're terrible for you. And Canada knows they're terrible for you, which is why they're illegal up there. The food tastes the same. It still sucks. It's still bad for you. It's still covered in sugar.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But at least it doesn't have that fucking poison that just makes it blue or red.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It's garbage. Yeah. It's all garbage. And it's so common. And then if you're in what they would call food desert, if you're in a place that only has fast food – Like, my God, like your odds of being metabolically healthy if you're poor and you're living in a place that's a food desert. It's impossible. It's fucked. It's impossible. You're fucked. It's too hard.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And it's also very expensive, which is even crazier. It's so expensive to eat well and to eat like clean and make sure that you don't have any additives and garbage in your food.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it's such a small amount of people that affected that. That's what's so terrifying. There's a small amount of people who bribed these scientists to falsify data so that they could blame all these coronary artery diseases and heart diseases on saturated fat when it was really sugar that was causing all these problems.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And we had a very dysfunctional understanding of health for the longest time. The food pyramid was all fucked up. The bottom of the food pyramid was all bread and carbs. It's so nuts. And it just made a bunch of really sloppy humans. And you could see it in the beaches, the photos from the 1960s versus looking at people in the 2000s.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it's a failure of our regulatory process. It's a failure of our exposing the public to this and making sure that whatever this is is labeled the same way cigarettes are. Because if you want to buy cigarettes, you can buy them today, but it's going to have a big warning that tells you this can kill you. Totally. Yeah. arguably sugar is probably as difficult to kick as nicotine is.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I have a friend who has diabetes, and he got type 2 diabetes, and he's thin, my friend Duncan. And one of the things he found out is when he stopped eating, it was all just eating too much sugar. When he stopped eating sugar, he's like, oh, my God, I have so much energy. Like, this is what I'm supposed to feel like? Yeah. He had thought that it was just lifestyle. Like he's in his 40s now.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Lethargic. Yeah. I need a nap. And he didn't realize he was poisoning himself.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And that's what most people are doing. Most people out there that are drinking regular soda and they're eating candy and you're eating burgers with sugar in the bun and bullshit and bread and French fries cooked in seed oils. You're just poisoning yourself. Yeah.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It's also like, let's be real. That's not food. It's something you put in your mouth, but you can't buy cigarettes with food stamps. So if you can't buy cigarettes with food stamps, why should you be able to buy something that's really bad for you?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I mean, what would change if we said food stamps, we're going to actually increase the amount that you get, but we're going to regulate what you can buy. And you have to buy all the things from the outside of the store.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But the problem is people, especially people that don't know or care, want that sugar water. You know, like there's the choices.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. You're going to have people that choose that Big Mac because it is delicious.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That is the issue. See what Bobby Kennedy was talking about with these GLP-1s? He was comparing the amount of money spent on GLP-1s and what you could give every obese American, that you could give them free healthy food and a gym membership?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Isn't that amazing? Just something that controls your appetite. Yeah.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But now there's an industry that's making $3 trillion by giving people these GLP-1s. And the problem is, just like every other industry, once it starts making money, it does not want to stop.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Right. Well, the only other thing that I could think is if there was some sort of a way that would be effective at establishing discipline other than just promoting it. I could conceive of, especially when you're dealing with something like Neuralink or some sort of a new way of programming the mind where it just changes whatever the behavior pattern is that accepts these foods as choices.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That's worst case scenario. Best case scenario is you just have... like a national scale promotion of health and wellness and abandonment of this body positivity nonsense and fat doctors and people are telling you that every weight is a healthy weight and all food is food and to think otherwise is discriminatory, which you're hearing from people. And by the way, that stuff is funded.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And that's what people need to know. That nonsense is actually funded. They pay people to be influencers, and they're getting paid by these food companies to say these nonsense things that are scientifically, factually incorrect. They're not true. It is not healthy in any way, shape, or form to be obese. And when they tell you that you can be metabolically healthy and still have fat, it's okay.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It's not okay. It's not okay. That's just not true. And is that fat shaming? You can call it whatever the fuck you want, but it doesn't change what it does to the human body. And it doesn't make someone better if you don't make them feel bad about being robustly unhealthy.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It sounds great. It's just a matter of resources and then also completely revamping how you teach kids. This is my gripe with this whole ADHD thing.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
You know, I've talked to many people who have varying opinions on whether or not that's an actual condition or whether or not there's a lot of people that have a lot of energy and you're sitting in a class that's very boring and they don't want to pay attention to it. So instead, you drug them and you give them medication that is essentially speed and lets them hyper focus on things.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It seems worse than falling into the seat cushions if it's 42 billion people and none of them have received internet access. That's really insane.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I should say I used the Starlink Mini this past week in Utah in the mountains. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's the size of this book. It's amazing. It's crazy. It literally fits in a small laptop case. My friend couldn't believe that was it. I was like, this is it.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it's what he really is. But he really is. Yeah, it's like the Ellen thing, you know, it's like... I mean, he really did lose his shit there. Oh, it looked like, weirdly, you know? I got the Christian Bale one, because he's in characters, intense scenes. Some guy's fucking around in the background. Like, God damn it, stop fucking around. I get that. Yeah, yeah.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. In a year or two, it'll probably be straight to your cell phone and you won't need that dish anymore. But right now the dish is a small iPad and you just sit it down in a field and we plugged a cord to it. And you don't even have to have a cord. It is a battery that comes with it.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, let me paint the ultimate dystopian solution. The ultimate – part of our problem is we have corruption. We have what you were talking about with deals sort of like the border wall deal had money in it for Ukraine. Like there's all these weird deals. There's bills that don't make any sense. Like how did you add all this stuff? Why is this 2,000 pages?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And now all of a sudden, little Timmy's locked on. You know, it was really just the medication that he needed. And I think for a lot of those kids, if they found something that was really interesting to them, maybe they're really bored with this, but they're really excited by biology.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
How many people signed it and actually read it? AI government. AI government solves all those problems. AI government is not corrupt. AI government just works literally for the people.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And instead of having all these state representatives and all these bullshit artists that pretend to be working on their truck and they don't know what the fuck they're doing, they're just doing it for an ad, you don't have any of that anymore. Now everything's governed with AI. The problem is who's controlling the AI?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And is there some sort of an ultimate regulatory body that makes sure that the AI isn't biased or tainted?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Right. And it could be gamed as well, right? Like you could organize.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And we've seen distortions, right? Like the Gemini AI that was – they were asked to make Nazi soldiers. They made these multiracial Nazi soldiers.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And that kind of stuff where it's just like, who are the founding fathers? It's all here's a black guy. It's like here's a Chinese lady. Like, OK, we get it. You're not racist. But this is you're being crazy.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Exactly. When you talk specifically history. I mean, one of them was like a Native American woman was a Nazi soldier. It's like this is so nuts. So that is a problem in that AI is not clean, right? It's got the greasy fingerprints of modern civilization on it and all of our bizarre ideologies.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Maybe there's something that resonates with their particular personality and what excites them, and they could find a pathway. And instead, we have this very rigid system that wants to get children accustomed to the idea of sitting still for an hour at a time over and over and over again throughout the day being subjected to people who aren't necessarily that motivated or getting paid that well.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
You know, one of the things that I thought was extraordinary that Elon was getting pushed back on was his idea of making the government more efficient. And that auditing the various programs and finding out how to make them more efficient. And a lot of people really freaked out about that. And their main freak out, the main argument from intelligent people that I saw was, what are you going to do?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Are you going to fire all these people that are in charge of government? I don't think that's the answer for ineffective government is to let the same people do the same thing because otherwise you have to fire them. That sounds insane. And to say that the government is as efficient as is humanly possible or even close to it, no one believes that. No rational person believes that.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Everyone believes in bureaucracy. Everyone believes there's a lot of nonsense going on. Everyone believes that... Look at the difference between what... Elon has been able to accomplish with SpaceX versus what NASA has been doing recently. Look at the difference between what they're able to accomplish with Starlink versus this $42 billion program that yielded zero results.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Look at the difference between all these different things that are done in the private sector when there's competitive marketplace strategies. You have to figure out a way to get better and more efficient, and you can't afford to have a bunch of people in your company that are doing nothing. And they're creating red tape and making things harder to progress. That's bad for the business.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That's the argument for letting private companies take over things.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
We actually were talking about Singapore yesterday, how extraordinarily efficient their recycling program is. It's unbelievable. I mean, it's really amazing what they do. They really recycle. They recycle how we think we're recycling. They really do. They really separate the plastic. They break it up. They use it to make power. They use it to make road materials.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
They make building materials out of it. They reuse everything.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
No. And then there's just folks that are stuck in space.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. And Jamie said they were supposed to be there for how long? Eight hours? Yeah. They were supposed to be there for eight hours. They were supposed to be quick. They were supposed to be quick. And they've been there for months. They're going to be there until February. That's so insane. They're going to be there until February. How terrifying must that be?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Eight days. They're supposed to be there for eight days.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That's what they say to themselves. They keep from going crazy.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That's weird that AI, that's another flaw with AI, right? It would read it like that? I wonder what the incentive is for AI to lie to you about that. How does AI not know it's not 2025 yet? We're stuck in space until February of 2025.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That's a weird error, though. It is a weird error.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Did you see this latest report? There's like real controversy about some finding that the James Webb telescope has discovered. And there's some talk of some large object moving towards us that's course correcting.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
This is the weird part about it. And there's all these meetings. And so all the kooky UAP people are all over it saying disclosure is eminent. There's a mothership headed towards us. So it gets fun. I don't know what they mean by course correcting. What does that mean? And how do they know it wasn't impacted with something else that diverted it?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
There's no, like, this is probably what's going on news source. It's always one or the other, and it's like you're living in a bipolar person's brain. I think, like...
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But they're not telling anybody. There's something going on. Do you think they would tell people? Imagine if there was a giant chunk of steel, of iron rather, that's headed towards us.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Do we have the capability of moving that thing? Would the FCC wait five months to give Elon the- I think you'd probably send as many.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It's also a problem of breaking it up. Exactly. If it breaks up, then you have smaller pieces that are hitting everywhere instead of one large chunk.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, but ultimately I always wonder, you know, like the universe sort of has these patterns that force innovation and constantly move towards further and further complexity. And if you were going to have intelligent life that existed on a planet, what better incentive – to get this intelligent life to spread to other parts of the planet than to make that planet volatile.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Make super volcanoes, earthquakes, solar flares, all sorts of different possibilities, asteroid impacts, all sorts of different possibilities that motivate this thing to spread.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And we also know that there's planets in our immediate vicinity that used to be able to harbor life like Mars. We know that Mars was covered in water and Mars had a sustainable atmosphere. Right. So we know that this is not just a dream, that this is possible, that what we're experiencing here on Earth is temporary.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And if we get hit by something big—well, we know Earth was hit by a planet in its formation. There was Earth 1 and Earth 2. The formation of the moon, the primary theory is that we were hit by another planet, and that's why we have such a large moon. That's a quarter of the size— Is that right?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Quarter of the size of Earth. It's like keeping our atmosphere stable and keeping our—it's— A wild shooting gallery out there. I mean, it really is. And especially our particular solar system has a massive asteroid belt. There's like 900,000 near-Earth objects.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That it will be able to solve problems that are inescapable to us and also offer us like real hard data about how big of a problem this is and when this needs to be solved by and then come up with actionable solutions. Yeah. And that seems to be something that might escape us as biological entities with limited minds, especially when we're not working together. Yeah.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And you could get AI to have the accumulated power, mind power of everyone, you know, 10x.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It would have to be something that showed such overwhelming superiority that it shut down all of our military systems and did so openly to the point where we're like we're really helpless against this thing.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yes. My hope is that one of the things that comes out of AI and the advancement of society through this is the allocation of resources much more evenly and that we use AI. As I was saying before, the best way to keep people from entering into this country is to make all the other places as good as this country. As good as this country.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Then you solve all the problems for everybody and you don't have this one place where you can go to get a job or you go over there and you get murdered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Isn't it interesting that the idea of people not getting together in groups and killing people they don't know, that's utopia? That is some sort of ridiculous pie-in-the-sky vision of the possibility of the future of humanity where that's –
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That thing can make a Drake song in three minutes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
common in small groups like even in cities I mean there's individual murders and there's crimes in cities but cities aren't attacking other cities and killing everybody right so there's something bizarre about nations and there's something bizarre about the the uneven application of resources and possibilities and and you know your
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Your economic hopes, your dreams, your aspirations being achievable pretty much everywhere. If we did that, I think that might be the way that we solve most violence or the most horrific nonsensical violence.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I saw this brilliant discussion that you had where you were explaining that Trump is the wrong messenger, but many of the things that he did actually were very positive.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And I think that is a... It's a very difficult thing to describe. It's a very difficult thing to express to people because we're so polarized, particularly with a character like Trump that's so polarizing.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
it's very difficult to attribute anything to him that is positive, especially if you're a progressive or if you're on the left or if you've been a lifelong Democrat or if you're involved in tech.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I mean, it's this bizarre denial of basic reality, the reality of what can you see based on what was put in place, what actions were taken, what were the net benefits?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
He's so polarizing that there's been two attempted assassinations on him and no one cares.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. But listen, no one can dodge forever. But the thing is, it's like no one seems to care that the rhetoric is ramped up so hard and has been so distorted.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But there is real decisions that have been made during the Biden administration about the border that are affecting people.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I think it's a decision. I don't think it's a lack thereof, especially the flying people in and the utilization of an app. to fly people in. That seems insane. The whole thing seems insane, and I don't know what the motivation is. I've talked to people that know a lot about the construction business, and they believe the motivation is cheap labor.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I think that's part of it, and that a lot of the problem is, in many industries, the lack of cheap labor and people that are willing to do jobs. It's one of the things that I've heard. There's a lot of criticism about all the Haitians that have moved to Springfield, Ohio.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But one of the positive things that I've heard from people that live there is that these people are hard workers and they're willing to do jobs that the other people weren't willing to take on. So you have pros and cons, but you have this incentivized effort to move people into this country illegally, which will undoubtedly bring in people that you don't want here.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Gang members, cartel members, terrorists. Terrorists. That's real. And we've documented that. And there's people that have been arrested that were trying to come in that were terrorists. And there's people that have gotten through for sure.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I don't think it is either, but the fear, and Elon's talked about this, the real fear is that they're bringing these people in, give them a clear path to citizenship, which will allow them to vote, and then you've essentially bought their vote.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
So if the Democrats bring them in, incentivize them to become Democrats and vote, and give them money, which they clearly are doing, they're giving them EBD cards, and they're giving them housing, and they're giving things that they're not giving to veterans and poor people in this country, that seems to be an incentive to...
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
to get these people to want to be here and also to appreciate the people that gave them that opportunity, which is you would essentially in swing states, which is Ohio, what's one of them, if you can get a lot of people in there and you've given them a better life because of your policies, those people, if you give them the opportunity to vote, especially if they're limited, low-information voters, they're going to vote for the party that got them to America.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And I'm sure most of those people are people that just want a better opportunity. And that's a great thing.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But you have to take care of all the people here, especially the veterans and especially these people that have been struggling in these inner cities that have dealt with the redlining and all the Jim Crow laws that have set them back for decades and decades and has never been corrected.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
There's never been any effort to take these places that have been economically fucked since the beginning of the 20th century and correct it. And instead you're dumping all this money into people that have illegally come here. That to me is where it starts looking like a conspiracy.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I could be wrong. He did. It was wildly unpopular.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Right. Well, that's one of the things that people are so excited about with this Trump union with Tulsi Gabbard and Robert Kennedy is that you're having these movements that seem to be almost impossible to achieve outside of an outsider, like the Make America Healthy Again concept. Right. What are you talking about?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
You're going to go up against these companies that have been donating to these political parties forever and have allowed them to have these regulations that are allowing them to have these dyes in food that's illegal in our neighboring Canada? What? No one's done that before, right? So that's very exciting. But again, messenger message.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But the lens that you're describing, the thing that distorts everyone's vision is Donald Trump as a human being. That's the thing. And it's also the media's depiction of him, which has been grossly distorted.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, not only that, they've distorted who he is. Whatever flaws Donald Trump has are nothing in comparison to the media's depictions of him.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And the only repercussions of them lying is a lack of trust that people have for them now.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Particularly look at a debate where they fact-checked Trump multiple times, but they didn't fact-check her.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Not just that, but there's the affidavit by the person from ABC that said she was aware of the questions and that she was told that there were certain things that were going to be off-topic or off-limits, like her record as a DA and also some other person that she's attached to that's involved in something shady. And then on top of it, there was things that she said that were absolutely untrue.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
One of the grossest ones was she saying that we don't have any troops deployed in combat zones. Have you ever seen that one where the troops in the combat zones are going, what the fuck are we doing here? And then Dan Crenshaw, see if you can find Dan Crenshaw's post on Instagram. He...
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a guy who understands the consequences of war, right? Clearly, paid the price personally for serving. But on his Instagram, he laid out how many troops are in active combat zones. It's tens of thousands in multiple combat zones of American citizens.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I think we are too. Thank you very much for being here, man. That was really fun. I really enjoyed it. Thanks. I know you're very busy, so I really appreciate your time. It was a real honor. It was an honor for me as well. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry Christmas and wish each other Merry Christmas, these children are not going to have a Merry Christmas. How dare we speak Merry Christmas? How dare we? They will not have a Merry Christmas. Who are you to say that? I don't know if they will be here in a matter of days, weeks, and months. Since September 5th, over 12,000 have lost their status.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Dogs aren't there yet. That's why dogs freak out when someone comes to your door. They're not there yet. They still remember the old days. That's a great point. They're still like, dude, usually if someone's coming up, we have to kill it. And they're reminding you of that. And it's true. And if you look at that...
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
collective epigenetic trauma as an egregore, as a ghost, a ghost haunting the planet, the ghost of not that long ago.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
The ghost of primate past haunts us, and that's why it's so easy to slide into aggressive patterns and defensive patterns that are completely unnecessary.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
What is this? Right. What are we doing? Did you see the new shit that they found out about consciousness in the human brain? This popped up on my feed. This dude Penrose, this guy used to be an anesthesiologist. He already knew about these neurological structures that are these quantum tubules that apparently anesthesia impacts.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And he began to think maybe consciousness is not associated as much as we thought with the... With neurons, but is a microstructure within the brain, these quantum tubules that get shut down when there's anesthesia. And so there's this new controversial sort of emergent theory of consciousness, which is that when you are awake. You go from being a wave to a particle.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
In other words, whatever you want to call it, the I am, the all one situation that we actually are experiencing gets compressed into a particle, which is your experience of reality. But when you fall asleep, when you take enough acid, you go into a superposition. When that's that feeling of being connected to everything, part of everything, not even being there anymore.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
So we're those things simultaneously. And I guess as far as the default reality that you're talking about, that's a situation where it's a bunch of particles that have focused in on like a buffet situation. of moments that the news curates. So the news is like, okay, beam out at this person. This person's wrong. This person's right. Here's what you should be afraid of.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Just nonsense and side effects. It's unnerving. And also when you realize we think the show is John Wick. That ain't the show. The show is the nonsense that's happening in between John Wick. Because when you think about it, when you're watching a good movie,
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
you relax you calm down you open up it's the perfect perfect state of consciousness to manipulate people i also thought it was incredible that they bleeped out all the bad words when the commercials were far more offensive
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
like all kinds of like wild shit depression anxiety fear violent tendencies dude gambling addictions this is so when you think about the idea that if you know what a group of witches is called a coven a group of Christians is called a church the idea is sort of simultaneous prayer causes change now there's different words for some people call the prayer spells some people call the prayer a pep rally we're gonna
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Go, go, go! You look at the football game. You're seeing covens of witches cheering to direct energy at the team they want to try to move the needle a little bit. But when you consider... The power of directing little bubble universes, which is every single human, focusing that beam of attention onto certain ideas.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Dude, not only are you going to create whatever it is you want to create in the case of an advertiser makes some money, but theoretically you could guide history that way. And the last thing you want them to figure out is if they all stop focusing Focusing on what you're telling them to focus on and trust themselves enough to focus on what they want to focus on, which is usually not bad.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Then all of a sudden you would lose that kind of magical control. You lose the actual steering wheel of the of the weird vehicle. You know, and we you know, they're like, it's democracy.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
steering wheel is your vote and the president and the elected officials who guide the country but the real steering wheel is here's what we're going to get you to pay attention to you need to pay attention to this right now and if we all pay attention to that it like where attention goes energy flows you know you know what i think it is i think it's like if we're in a factory
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Well, I mean, do you remember when those weird green fucking lights showed up in Hawaii?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Laser lights that shot out of the sky. Oh, yeah. Remember that? That's right. What was that? What are the drones? I mean, that's what I love about the drones is... I mean, aside from the obvious, like, you know, getting to imagine, fantasize, it could be they're chasing orbs and the orbs or whatever. What I love about the drones is that... It's another step in shaking people awake.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
You know what I mean? Because it's like part of living in default reality, I think, is you sort of lean into the idea that the government is, you could trust. You can trust the government. Of course, like you have to. You can trust the people that make the weapons. You can trust them. They're really good guys. Yes, some of them, you know. Are hyper-violent, whatever, whatever.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah, but ultimately we can trust these people. And so then you have over fucking New Jersey experimental vehicles that people are filming. Welcome to Earth, bitch. Did you see that one? And it's so funny people in New Jersey reacting to them.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
You know what else falls? Drones. Experimental fucking drones. The government's flying over fucking New Jersey hoping those fuckers don't crash. They're apparently half the size of a car. Some of them are bigger, bro.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah. And these are flying over houses. Oh, yeah. So it's just like, no, listen, number one, most of what you guys are seeing, it's stars or you're seeing commercial vehicles mostly. And the other stuff we don't really know. And so at that point, you're like, wait a minute.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I'm paying almost half of my income in fucking taxes so you know what the car-sized mystery things flying over the cities are. And you don't know what that fucking is? What am I paying you for? You know what I mean? You're making a lot of money, man. You should know what the drones are. And so but then when you see what's his name? Bolt. Is it Bolton? The guy with the mustache? Not Bolton.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
When you see, I don't know, the DOD dudes up there and the way that they're just lying their fucking asses off. Did you see the press secretary talking about it? And she's wearing a necklace that looks like a UFO. Is it Corinne Jean-Pierre, that lady? Not Jean-Pierre. It was another one. A new one? How do they just shuffle new people in without announcing them?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
You can tell this. We can tell this. There's a lot of data right now. We can tell this. What about the data showing vaccinations are bad for you? No, no, no. Fuck that data.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
War, Sudan. War, Sudan. Got it. Okay, no problem. Sell it. I got it. I'll sell it. I'm going out there. You just put on your Rachel Maddow glasses.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
We are in elf costumes. But, you know, but yeah, I don't understand the Rachel Maddow glasses phenomena. But I have done research into it because I wanted to create a vision board of all the people wearing those glasses. And it's a thing. It's like a thing on the left. They wear those fucking glasses.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It identifies that you are you have a certain set of beliefs if you're wearing the Maddow glasses. I mean, it's a real thing.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Dude, isn't that, but that's to me the invasion of the body.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
No. Never. Never. We should just be shitting in our hands, rubbing in our faces, whipping our backs until the whole world experiences a simultaneous orgasm. Then Merry Christmas to you.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Wasn't it like five years ago? How long ago was it? I think the one I like is from the 70s. Oh, the Donald Sutherland one? Yes.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
go dude I went down a deep rabbit hole with this shit because you know I was like looking right after Trump won which by the way can I want to remind you I'm sorry I don't want to pat myself on the back but when we were hunting for Bigfoot you remember I said to you one day you're gonna get a president elected did you say that no back then that would have been the least likely scenario I'm in the woods with the fear factor guy
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Legitimately. Legitimately with Bigfoot experts. Dude, that was one of my favorite camping trips I've ever had in my life. It was fun, dude. I would love to do that again. We had so much fun. Hunting for Bigfoot. It's like, because hunting for animals, which I know you love, I have nothing against it, but you still got to kill an animal.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Hunting for Bigfoot, you just like look for a twig out of place and you get to imagine he's nearby. And that, it's really fun. Squatching is fun.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
No one would spend any money to go look for Bigfoot. If you can fly a swarm of drones over fucking New Jersey. You could find Bigfoot. You could fly him in the Pacific Northwest and we'd know once and fucking for all. See this, you know, they talk about democracy. Sometimes I like to think about what would actual democracy look like?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And, you know, it wouldn't look like some dude getting in front of a microphone and gaslighting your ass about experimental craft. It would be like, all right, I'm just going to tell you guys we figured out anti-gravity. That's anti-gravity drones. We wanted to show you. And tomorrow we're going to drop ketamine on the neighborhoods. Democracy. But you know what I mean?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Like, that would be true democracy versus what we have right now, which is sort of democracy. It does work. The voting works and all that stuff. But ultimately, our impact... The non-political class's impact is very little, and the political class's impact is very little when you consider now there's a security class.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
So you have the politicians, like Harry Reid, trying to figure out what the fuck is going on with the UAPs, and even they can't do it because there's another level, and that level is like – That's – those are the people controlling things because they know the secrets.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It's just so infuriating to me that now they feel comfortable enough to fly whatever the fuck these things are over a major city and not tell us what they are and then say we don't know what they are. Because if the reality is they don't know what they are, if we're going to believe them, which I guess you're just not supposed to – You know what I mean? Are you supposed to?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
No, I don't think you're supposed to. I think at the point where they're just telling you it's like stars.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
They seeded your culture with your religions. Everything. It's for a good cause. Everything.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah. We're a piece. Well, that's... Okay, so that is exactly what you want pieces of your factory to think like. And that is why, at any moment, anybody can actually just turn the channel. You're not a piece of the fucking factory. Actually, you're the universe. You are the universe. And you're the universe who has been. Dude, I mean, look what they could do to lions at a circus.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Deadly fucking thing. They can make it jump through hoops. They can make it catch a frisbee. Right?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
There is. It's the assassination of a fucking CEO. And by the way, I am not assigning any kind of... I think it's a slippery slope if we start publicly fucking executing CEOs. You know what I mean? That's a real slippery slope.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
But I'll tell you. If you sort of look at the factory, the way it works is like, number one, you really aren't supposed to identify the actual like what's causing like a lot of suffering. Once you start making those identifications, then... And you follow through with some kind of action based on those identifications. Number one, the action can't be based on the rules of the factory.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Of course, the factory is going to create rules. You can go out with your fucking signs or whatever if you're at the right place. Not at Amazon where they arrested those people protesting. But there's places in the factory where you can go and be like, I need more oil.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
But only once in a while and only in the right way. It's a peaceful protest is what we call it. You do it at the wrong time. It's a fucking insurrection. You know what I mean? So the factory's got rules about how we do this. So the moment you go outside of those rules, the moment you like actually, and to do that, you have to somehow really think outside the factory.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Then you see something like that happen. And then you see the way the factory responds, which is the perp walk they did with that dude. They've got fucking seal team six walking that guy in. He's handsome.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Well, they're not guarding that guy. Look at that. They're sending a fucking message. They're saying, listen, we will surround you. And like that. So because like what's really scary about what he did is, Is like and I think if you want to like take murder, cold blooded murder and just for a second call it activism.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
What that guy did is he didn't just like, you know, send a message, which is really scary for people like CEOs, which is saying, listen, man, like you can't keep fucking us with the insurance insurance. And if you do, you're not safe. And so that's scary as fuck because that that's the CEOs, of course, are the ones who pay for the lobbyists who pay for the laws.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And so he sends a message of a methodology, which, again, I think if we if we're going to get into a better place. Using violence, I just don't think that's the path. But just as an analysis, dude, I would say you could expect more of that to happen. And that is going to lead to the Darth Vader people coming out more. You're not cosigning it. I'm not co-signing it at all.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
You remember when your dad had to come downstairs? Like you're fucking up or you're like misbehaving with your brother. You're doing something really bad. You set something on fire. Right. Your dad comes downstairs. He's been at work. He's fucking pissed. That's how you know you're really fucked. When people start doing stuff like that. Then the dad has to come downstairs.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah. Well, you know. I was just, dude, I don't know why I started doing this. Highly recommend it. I started listening because I forgot a lot of the new age ideas. So I started listening to new age channeled audibles, aliens channeled through new age people. Oh, cheers, my brother.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And when the dad comes downstairs, it looks like the dudes in the Darth Vader outfit. All of a sudden, this facade, for a second, they have to stop the show, turn on the fucking lights. These guys in fucking full body armor come out, spray paint.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
chemicals into your face and drag you away and then all right start the show up again start the show up again it gets memory hold so that that is an example of what happens when the factory is imbalanced and right now the factory is imbalanced dude it's just that's the problem there's a reason we need the middle class there's a reason you need some
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
path forward that is there's a reason you need to be able to buy a fucking house and aside from like the human comfort and starting a family and all that stuff the moment you pull that away from people now what it's like so wait there what am i supposed to do here now again i i not advocating violence. I think that if we keep doing violence, we're going to keep getting violence.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
But it's a really scary thing when shit gets so imbalanced. And when you hear about like the health insurance, like I'm lucky because like I'm on this, I'm on Crapopolis on Fox. I have incredible health insurance, dude.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Have you ever talked to Brigham Bueller about this? No.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
13 counts. He's 50. That's a life sentence. Well, yeah, man.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Why do they use their own jizz? Do they run one on- They want all the babies.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Dude, that guy could be, like, you know, based on the depopulation that's happening, based on population decline, that guy could be, like, the next Genghis Khan. Like, in the future, like...
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Okay, so it's, again, my mom got into it briefly because she dated this new age dude and I fucking hated it. He wore Birkenstocks. He'd force us to go on hikes. He wouldn't let me take my fake gun. You know, you're a kid. You want to take your fake gun on the hike? He's like, we don't do that on hikes. You know, the fucking fascist hike where you're forced to recognize the beauty of nature.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I mean, it is interesting. It's like, you know, you read Elon Musk is the top Diablo player in North America, right? I think in the world, dude. In the world. I think he's number one in the world, which is fucking insane. And, dude, I know you, and I'm not trying to high road you here, but unless you've played Diablo 4— You can't understand what that means. I absolutely accept that.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I do not understand what that means. It is insane. When I was addicted to that fucking game, I just wasn't sleeping because I had to do dad duty in the day, Diablo at night. And I sucked. So when you realize this guy shooting rockets into space, making e-vehicles, starting a new fucking department of the government... Is also the top. It's so crazy.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day oh shit i didn't know we had bells yeah bro we got bells
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It's the one time I actually let myself think maybe he actually is an alien. Because there is no, there's just no way. Unless he's paying people to do it for him, which obviously he's not. That is insane, man. That is insane. So, dude, when you consider, I don't even know where I was going with that. I got lost in Diablo 4 just thinking about it.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It's crazy. It's crazy because, you know, Diablo 4, it's all about your build. It's all about, like – eye-hand coordination is obviously a big part of it, but then it's just – And then you see the chopsticks catch the fucking rocket. Yeah.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Like what? And that to me, it's like, my God, you know, you get those feelings like, okay, I'm on the right timeline. Because if the guy who's going to make us a galactic civilization is also a master Diablo player. The number one. we're in the right timeline.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
He's in another dimension. He could be bilocating. This is one of the ideas.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I mean, okay, so we talked about this in the green room. Willow, the new quantum chip that Google has, right?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And I think you and I both do the same thing with our minds. I think anyone who is exposed to the Atari 2600 does this naturally, which is like we played the Atari 2600. Did you have an Atari when you were a kid? Oh, yeah. And you remember how that blew your mind, right? Yeah. You control the thing with a joystick. It was insane. You can control the TV. Little buttons, choo-choo-choo-choo.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And it's like, dude, don't put that on me. I'll find it on my own. But he got my mom into New Age stuff. And this was prime New Age time. This is like, this is when they all killed themselves. It's like they were part of it, too. They were wearing the sneakers. What were they called? Heaven's Gate.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
What the fuck? Yeah, incredible. You'd been going to arcades. You could only play for a second. You didn't have enough quarters. Suddenly, you could just do it at home. You could play until you fainted. Oh, my God. And so we got to witness every phase of that technology to where it is now, which is just fucking insane. And so you just take the Atari 2600 model and apply it to any new thing.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And so you think, all right, what's it going to look like in 10 years? Then you take Musk's. neural lace, some kind of brain-human interface, mix that in with some quantum chip that, yeah, right now, right now, it's apparently unstable. It's like you got to keep it at, like, you have to keep it at the low, I don't know what it's called. It's like colder than space or something.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Like it has to be basically below freezing. And then suddenly it can do things that all the supercomputers on the planet couldn't do. But you know, There's a trajectory here between the human brain and this technology, and it's getting closer and closer and closer together, meaning that we are. And, you know, a lot of people are like, look, that's probably like 20 years away.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
That is not that long. We are. When did Teen Wolf come out, man? I don't think it's anywhere near 20 years. I think it's way closer than that. That's right. So that to me, when you just do the math and you realize humanity is about to merge with a thing that is solving equations that take a supercomputer, what is it? Septillion amount of years. That's going to be us. Yeah.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And so then to answer the simulation idea, of course we're in a simulation. If we were just monkeys and now we are using qubits, using superpositioning to create some infinitely faster way of calculating data, then obviously once we get that thing connected to our brain – we will be able to simulate any reality we want.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
If this is truly our past and you wanted to, like right now, the way I remember something, having done acid for most of my life is very foggy and kind of like, my memory isn't the best. Every once in a while, I have a very clear memory of things. But with this tech, theoretically,
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It could reconstruct memories in your mind, and not just that, put you into them and allow you to experience them in real time. Meaning, in a few minutes, you could live your life over a thousand times. Easily, we could be in the future, and this is a memory that some quantum computer of neural interface is allowing us to experience totally, all-encompassing memory.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And that would be a form of eternal life, because in every second... How many lifetimes could you live based on merging with that kind of chip? Right. And you wouldn't want to know it was a memory. You might want to be like, you know what, let me just live that life over again. I just want to feel the whole thing.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
oh yeah that was a new age cult so um i remember like watching these old grainy vhs tapes with my mom and this dude and um thinking they were cool and like there was some sound that was playing in one and my mom looks at me like hopefully like do you recognize that sound because i guess here's the thing about all this
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
for some weird reason. Well, that was like Nietzsche had this whole thought experiment, which was, I don't remember what it was called, something like infinite return. But basically the way he put it is you don't live it again and again and again and make changes within the echo. It's exactly the same over and over and over again.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And so in other words, like whatever you, it's just a rerun over and over and over again forever. That's what we're in. And his point in that was like, therefore, If most of your life you've been miserable, you're in hell. I know. Oh, but he wanted to use that more as a kind of to leverage people out of despondency to make them understand. Get going now.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Well, I mean, I think the model you could use for that theory would be the various... Like, you look at an embryo, and then you watch the way the appendages change. Then you could look at it that way, which is like, well, I mean, you don't want... I met someone who had a tail, by the way. What? Some people get born... I think I was at that party. He had a tail. I met someone without a tail.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Because something happens. How big was it? I didn't look at it.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Well, it's weird how some of those tails look better than others. Some of them are clearly got to be fake.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
There's fucking psychos out there, man. Dude, your alliance fucking bit. I still think about it sometimes. What would you do if you had a tail? Give me a break. If you could get... They're already getting these body suits you can wear to help you lift shit. They have the new things for your legs. But dude, if there was some cyborg tail that you could attach with a belt...
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah, it's not going to be one time, man. No, it's one time.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And it's going to hurt when you change. It's a painful transformation.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Dude, the best. Oh, my. Joe. Fucking great movie. Here's a movie you've got to watch. Really? The Substance. What is that? Dude. I don't want to ruin it for people because it just came out. But it's... You ever watch any, like, Cronenberg movies? Okay, so it reminds me of that. It's got Demi Moore in it, who, by the way, looks so great. And she's like... Like, dude, it is so fucked up.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
This movie is so fucked up, but it's got... The effects, something that happens in it is very similar to an American werewolf in London. And it's basically this star, she's a fading star. And so, oh, and he kills it too. But like, she's like a fading star. So it's called The Substance? Oh my God, it's fucking trippy, man. It's so good.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
But it's really wild, man. And it's very... Like, there's parts of it that are so disturbing. Really? Oh, maybe they're going to show it. The substance.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
No spoilers. I'm sorry, so what is it on again? We had to get it on Prime.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It's out. But, dude, like, the... This is, again, like... And I think... one of the fun things about being alive right now and it's a fun time and one of the might be the funnest time anybody's ever had dude really because like if i had to pick time periods oh we picked the right one well the second one i would pick is uh when cocaine was legal I think you would have been dead already.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It was a cocaine city. That was where it was probably somewhat common to find like a bag of coke on the beach, right?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
You'd have to get your kid. Your kid would bring you a bag of coke.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Dude, I've heard... But that story is so insane. I mean, again, like, I would never... I'm too much of a pussy to live that kind of lifestyle. But when you think about the possibility that once we do get interfaced in some way or another with these new computers that are just right around the corner, we will be able to simulate experiences like that.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I will definitely – I would be into simulating the experience. And then when you consider, yeah, but you're going to simulate the experience. You know it's a simulation experience. Some point you're gonna be like, you know what? Let's just turn that off where I know it's a simulation. You know what I mean?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
We would all be doing that shit like yeah, and I don't just mean like Literally like I mean at some point you've done 20,000 lifetimes you've experienced what it's like to be George Washington Genghis Khan you've experienced what it's like to be Joan of Arc you've experienced being one of Jesus's disciples and Imagine if that's one person and that's your backstory.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
That you've done all of those things. What a timeline you're on. That's going to be everybody. That's going to be everybody. Because it's going to be fake. Well, I mean, is it? Just plug into it. That's where it gets really. Right. Is it? Is it going to be fake?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
What is data? That's the real question, because it's like, how much of data can we recover from light? And if we get faster than light travel, can we get ahead of light? We know that when we take a picture, that's just light. So if we can get ahead of light, we can go faster than light. If we can go exponentially faster than light, theoretically, you're basically moving into the future, I guess.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
then couldn't you take pictures of Earth in the past? If you could take pictures of Earth in the past, why couldn't you recreate them with this new technology? There's your time machine. You don't have to worry about fucking up the timelines. You're just taking pure data, having it interpolated by whatever the next computer is after quantum computers, right?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And then simulating that reality and traveling into it as whoever you want to be. I mean, it's pure... uh, hedonism, you know, it's like right now we think of hedonism as fucking a great meal, making some money, nice car, red wine, but future versions of hedonism could really just be like, I just want to be a dinosaur for 50 years.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
You can't. And that is, by the way, I think there's a new phase in recently married dudes who I think there's a new phase that happens. I think I went through it, actually, which is like that experience you had. And when I reminisce on my life in the past prior to having kids, which I fucking love. But when I reminisce on the past, the memories that come to mind.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
a lot of them are like snorting rails of ketamine and playing God of War.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
it was good times but nothing like and i really mean this it sounds cheesy but i really mean it like what i was going for there that's what i get just on any given day when in the most right you're looking for highs and the highs of the love of your families above and beyond anything else unquantified you ever tell you uh chapelle's take on it no
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah. You've probably experienced it. I've experienced it.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It's wild. And that can hurt. This whole romantic, hippy-dippy version of love, I don't think that's quite what love is. A fairytale love? Real love. It's like that expansion. You know that thing... where you go from one size butt plug to the next. But you know what I mean? It's like, it stretches you out in a way that nothing else could have.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And when you consider, when I think of like the past versions of me and realize in this confused way, that's what you're looking for. You're looking for that. And that impulse is being subverted or captured by, you know, hedonic technologies that are paradoxically probably keeping you from having that experience. You know, they're they're they're getting in the way of that experience.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
But and then and then like new dads, you've got to shed that skin. Like, you know what I mean? Like I had to like fucking like let go of that. And it's such a habit, you know, that form of life, video games, drugs, like, you know what I mean?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But yeah, and that probably sounds like a bummer to a lot of people out there, but it actually, this is the way, you know, and it feels good when you're in it.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Well, you know, man, this is the thing about mental illness. Like, and there's lots of studies that have been, what do they call it? A folia do, right? That's the name for if you are around a crazy person, you can actually, like if you're around a paranoid person long enough, you really might start thinking the walls are bugged if they're charismatic enough, right? Sure.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
So there's a quality to people who are charismatic and distorting reality that is contagious. And then when you add to it, it becomes a fashion statement, right? So basically the idea is if you have some form of mental illness, It's not like I should shame you for it, obviously. You need care. You need compassion.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
But one of the really, I think, very dangerous things that has emerged into the zeitgeist is that compassion has been confused. So in other words, what you might call enabling compassion.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
they are calling compassion because the idea would be you're right now you need to get better let's get you better right not like right now this is just how you are and you really don't have any hope so this is where and also i congratulate you on your courage and all that's good by the way it is courageous if someone has mental illness to announce it but
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
When you go to the next step, which is actually the fact that you're trying to lose weight, the fact that you're trying to balance your life, That is an aggression. You know what I mean? Like now you're aggressing against all the people who have this. It is a slap in the face to the people who have it.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
What I'm saying is there's a culture where the normal societal pressure to try to make yourself healthy, which, by the way, if you go back a long time ago, if it's just like you and me and everyone in the green room and we have to survive in the wilderness or something like that.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
There really isn't time for somebody to – it's dangerous if someone is doing things that keep them sick because we have to carry them. You know what I mean? We have to carry them through the fucking wilderness, and that means we might die. That lowers our survival chances. So the idea is you don't want to enable – people who are hurting themselves.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I mean, think of all... Firestarter, Carrie, Stranger Things. This is the fantasy. When I was a kid, dude, I would sit when my dad was working in his apartment and try to make shit on the table move with my mind because I'd been reading books on telekinesis. One day...
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
You don't want to enable people who have a chance to no longer continue the patterns or to take the medicine or whatever the fuck it is to feel better. You actually want to help them feel better, not keep them frozen in this thing, which is a demonstration of their enlightenment. Because that's the thing, when sickness is health and health is sickness, Well, that's the ant-death spiral, dude.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
That's how you create a very sick, unhealthy world. In other words, if you met some raving, paranoid person who was convinced that there were nanobots inside of them that were reading their minds and controlling their thoughts— Duncan, I told you that in private. I'm sorry, Joe. It's just not—
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
That's a sad place to be. We got to get you out of there.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah. We have to track him. Dude. Everywhere he goes. Absolutely.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And by the way, if you and I are talking about this shit in elf suits, you better believe somebody in the DOD, somebody in Raytheon or Lockheed Martin is like-
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah, didn't know. Got to break a few eggs to make an omelet, man.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
In retrospect, it was a mistake. Like, we shouldn't have done that. I mean, again. How crazy is that? That's a real thing. Or when they release some shit in the subways. Whoopsies.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Whoops. That was a big whoopsies, boys. Gain of function research. Whoopsies. It was real. Whoopsies. No. Whoopsies. It was true. Dude, so when you... This is where, to me...
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
if you do want to align with a classic paranoid state of consciousness, the way you align with it is you, and without having to go on InfoWars, without having to go on Reddit Conspiracy, just look at what is true, like is verifiable. Like what do we know right now? So what we know right now, there are unknown drones hovering over New Jersey.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
We know that the president of the United States has been incapacitated for years. For years.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Not anymore. We were conspiracy theorists. Now our shit is like mainstream, just basic journalism. The fucking... The President of the United States has apparently been out of commission for years.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
When, like... He's all there when they got the cocktail right. And he's like dialed in and he turns into a warlock for a second. Like, you know what I mean?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
When the eyebrows move up. Dude, that's like something, that's a lich. That's like if you were in a cursed tomb and that thing comes around the corner. That is scary. The Sauron that comes out of him before he goes back to sleep is terrifying, but even more terrifying. is the network of people around him. You know, you see those—it's really cool, the dancing dragons.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It's like six dudes in a dragon suit dancing, and it looks like a real dragon dancing. Oh, right, right, right. Biden is the dancing dragon of presidents. He's got God knows how many people just fucking, like, working so hard to get that thing to function— Just in like brief moments. You only need him to function for like 10 minutes at a press conference, 20 minutes here. Get him off the plane.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Get him in the fucking building. If we can pull that off, we'll have power for a little bit longer, a little bit longer. Dude, when you consider that we apparently live in a democracy, you elect this dude who makes decisions because in some way, shape or form, he aligns with what you want the country to be.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And the people fucking puppeteering that that poor old man are just like, no, actually, fuck you. He's not going to make any fucking decisions because he's incapacitated. He's gone, gone with a fucking wind. And now we're in control and you didn't vote for us. That is terrifying. That is so that's in a way that's worse than a coup, because at least with a coup. You see the military. They come in.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
The tanks are in front of the White House. Some dude is suddenly the leader. And, you know, it's not the guy you voted for.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Right, I know it comes from that, but... Is there a difference between a coup and a coup d'etat? What's a coup?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Well, but again... You can't have only a mask. Who's running the deal? Okay. So again, it's like... This is the fantasy of any hippie or whatever. So the idea is... Predicted in the New Age movement, and I think you'd argue in a lot of religions, is the consciousness shift is happening. The age of Aquarius, whatever the fuck you want to call it. Consciousness shift.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And so the idea is that what we're witnessing is... essentially the collapse of a way of doing things that is collapsing. And as it collapses, it starts making big mistakes. One big mistake would be people figure out that we have had a president who is basically incapacitated, meaning we don't really need a president. The whole model starts falling apart. Also, when you realize, like,
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
they like if you watch basketball or skateboarding watch skateboarding now versus skateboarding when people started skateboarding like the tricks like people are doing now versus what they used to do right and you see how quickly people when something's fun or important how quickly it evolves right right so the coup is problematic in that again you know a coup has happened the ultimate coup
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
is to have a figurehead. Now, it's a hacky trope, I guess, the idea being that every president is just a fucking puppet, right? But the problem with that puppet is that these are puppets who actually do have power. They will make decisions. Even if there's a lot of pressure from God knows whatever the web of unknown people is that tries to grab the steering wheel, they can say no.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
So that's a problem. So if I want to control the steering wheel completely, dude, what's better than an old man who has dementia? Because I could tell him shit happened that didn't happen. I could show him news sources that aren't even real. You know what I mean? I could literally like. He probably pretends to be able to read. His eyes are probably gone. Dude, absolutely. Probably pretends.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Absolutely. And then the other side of it, aside from it's a coup, it's completely unconstitutional, it's a fucked up takeover of the U.S. government. If you just look at the abuse of the right thing to do when you have a president, a bus driver, Whoever who's got senile dementia is to say, hey, guys, he's really sick and he can't do the job anymore.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And we have to find somebody else to do the job now. That's the right thing to do. But these motherfuckers are like, no, no, no, no, no, no. We'll lose our jobs. We're in the fucking. Exactly.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
That's right, man. Let's just vote. The idea is, like, if I'm a kidnapper... And I kidnap you. And I, I don't know, knock you out or something. You come to and I explain we're married. I need to pull that off. We're now married. I've just kidnapped somebody. But now they think that we're married. What I'm saying is. If you're gaslighting, you really need to execute perfectly gaslighting.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And so the problem with – and I think this is the buried fucking headline in the drones, in the Kamala coup, the president with senile dementia, is that – all of these actions taken by the federal government have not just corroded people's trust in the federal government, but potentially like annihilated it. Meaning now, you know, if I'm kidnapped by somebody
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And they're like, no, here's why I kidnapped you. Oh, God, there's that great movie where somebody ends up in someone's survival bunker and you wonder, is it really the end of the world or is this person kidnapped? He's saying, you can't go out there. But it's like the idea is the moment – if I've been kidnapped and I actually buy into your shit, that's going to create a lot less anxiety for me.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
But the moment – Your kidnapee stops believing you. Whoa. That's not fun for anybody. And right now, I feel like that's the general mood, is people just don't trust. And the people that do have Stockholm Syndrome. That's it, dude. That's it. That's it.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
when like you've got a cold drink and it gets a little wet on the bottom. One day as I'm doing that, because of that, it slid forward. And like, I was like totally freaked out because I thought I had used telekinesis to slide. It was just luck. It was just luck. It was just a badly balanced floor. It was just a shitty fucking apartment in College Station.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Let him cook! Also, though, when you realize, like... This is like, you know, when the DNC starts astroturfing Reddit, when the DNC starts astroturfing 4chan, when the DNC started doing that, using all that fucking money. And it's so funny because the astroturfing after she lost, it just stopped.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
explain astroturfing so the idea is like i infiltrate message boards post uh political messages disguised as like somebody just putting a post up i try to redirect the conversation or essentially imply a consensus that doesn't exist and so there's ways of manipulating the algorithm apparently on the dnc's discord server they were talking about the best ways and times to post on reddit
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
to attempt to move the fucking needle. It's kind of amazing, isn't it? It should be illegal. It's so fucked up. Full-blown propaganda. I don't know, we did a renegade rogue commercial for nicotine pouches on Instagram. You have to say, this is a sponsored post. So why is it that if you work for the DNC or volunteer for any state entity...
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
But once you recognize the flaw in the operating system in humans, as a kid, for a few days, I was like, shit, I might be telekinetic. But once you know people want that. Or want to believe in it and how easy it is to manufacture those moments and then claim responsibility. Holy shit, dude. You can really pull some strings on people because there's an assumption. Let's say I do know.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
You don't have to say, also, I'm doing this as a volunteer for the DNC. That's why I posted this. You don't have to do that. So that's invasion of the body snatchers. That's the, I'm pretending to be a normal person. I'm infecting the data sphere with propaganda. And if I do it enough, it will create the illusion that this is the consensus.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And the reason you want to create that illusion is because people like to sync up. That's what they know. They love to sync up.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I really believe in telepathy. I'm positive it exists. But the assumption then would be like you get around a telepathic person. Well, they must be good because they're telepathic, right? They're a magic, so we should trust them. This is where people get real fucked up.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
No telling. Imagine if there's a civilization under the water. I mean, that's where I would hide if I was trying to hide from a civilization. It's the ocean. It's clear. They can't get in there. They can't breathe under there. It's a perfect place to hide.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Why are these fucking drones with their drones? God damn it. It's the meltdown. And you know, if you, what you're saying, like, so if you look at like a Crick and I think it was Crick wrote the, um, uh, he wrote a paper theorizing about, uh, directed panspermia, which is where you put it. So, so, okay. Directed panspermia.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
These are called – in India, they call them cities, which is if you meditate a lot, you begin to like – well, I would say comedy is a city. It's not special. I was talking to Luis Gomez about sales. That's –
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I get some kind of nanobot, which is, I guess you could say that's what DNA is. Nanobot precursor, essentially like, Well, I think it's weird. And maybe I don't understand what he's doing completely.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It's weird to me that Musk wants to send humans to Mars because it seems like it would make way more sense pre-sending humans to send drones, robots, to construct whatever it is you need to survive on Mars, to go in the caves, build the fucking... Well, that's the plan, Duncan. Oh, really? So it's not people first.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Dude, so. So obviously like the way you're gonna wanna colonize habitable worlds is you create not just this nanobot, but you make it so the nanobot can only survive in environments that you would live in. Meaning, and then encoded in the nanobot,
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
is the end destination, what you're talking about, the quantum computers, some kind of AI that then will naturally uncover faster-than-light travel, wormholes, whatever the fuck it is. And then when the wormholes open up, you can instantaneously travel to habitable planets, right?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
really good people and get in your head and get you to buy shit he was saying it's like basically magic and it's like so hypnosis hypnosis yeah but man have you ever been hypnotized yes i have it's interesting right dude my mom hypnotized me when i had a wart because she had heard you could hypnotize people and the wart goes away hypnotize me
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
There you go. Man, listen. The... Whatever it is...
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
No! Whatever it is, it's not bad. I wasn't believing it as I was saying it.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
But, dude, you know, I think you look at just the concept of epigenetics and what we're doing right now. You look at the statistical probability of DNA evolving based on the age of the planet. You look at these things. And not just that, you look at the mythologies of the world, it all points towards some kind of advanced intelligence, bioengineering a planet for some reason or another.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I mean, even like, have you ever read the parable of the sower? You know that Jesus said, can you, do you mind pulling that up, Jamie? I don't have it memorized yet. The parable of the sower.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Planner, the parable of the sower. S-E-W-E-R. But when you think about this, generally this is the idea of like there's people who are going to like understand Jesus as God. But if you look at it as an extraterrestrial intelligence planting seeds on planets versus it becomes this like crazy. The sower is the. Yeah, the pair of the silk. Whoa. Though seeing, they do not see.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Though hearing, they do not hear or understand. And then, where is it? Oh, yeah. Then he told, a farmer went out to sow a seed. As he was scattering the seeds, some fell along the path and the birds ate it up. Some fell on rocky places where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly because the soil was shallow.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched and they withered because they had no root left. Whoa. Listen to this.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
said something about the wart going away within a couple of weeks I swear to you that wart fucking dried up and just fell off my hand whoa yeah whoa what the fuck whoa what the fuck
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Well, let me answer it in a parable. You see, imagine a flower growing from stone. Sometimes the stone is angry at the flower, but sometimes the stone glows with light. This is why.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Well, I think it's an acknowledgment of a kind of spectrum of intelligence, right? It's like the idea is like let me give you a little data fractal here.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It is. It's an absolutely a sign of low intelligence if you're so idiotic that you think. And you'd be mean. Yeah, but how do you feel it?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah need to be around the people that are the cream of the crop of that. That's it. Yeah, that's right, man and and that I watched some of that and I loved it because I Well, that's what compassion looks like.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I love that. Super nerd talk. Inside baseball, comedians do it too. Like when we're like breaking down a joke to a minute person. Pause or something. It's the same thing. But yeah, man, I mean, this is what I love when you read about the history of science. You read about famous physicists getting in real intense fights with each other.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And you see that the process of discovering the truth does involve a kind of mutual curiosity, but not being afraid to say this is fucking wrong, but allowing the other person to fire back because you both know that via this conflict, potentially you discover something new. And that was the attitude. I mean, like this whole thing where suddenly...
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Normal people aren't supposed to engage in science is really fucked up when you look at like the history of science, which used to be maniacs like Newton, who they analyzed his hair.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
mercury in his fucking hair bro everything had poisoned it back then well no but he was experimenting with mercury he was interested he's like building scale replicas of the temple of solomon you know like you you look at that and you see that now newton today You know, somebody like Don Lim would be like, oh, really?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
So you're going to believe Isaac fucking Newton with mercury in his hair and his little dollhouse like the Temple of Solomon? Oh, yeah, he's a real scientist. That's not what they look like. It's like these people are out of their fucking minds. Sigmund Freud just injecting fucking liquid cocaine into his veins. You look at like the history.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Freaking out about his mom fucking shoving cigars up his ass. I don't think he really did that, but I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised. But you look at the history of what brilliant people who have shifted the culture actually behave like Tesla. Fucking Tesla. He's in love with his pigeon. In love with a pigeon. Didn't want to... The thought about...
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
castrating himself because his sex drive was getting in the way of his research. So he's like, I'll just chop my dick off.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah, dude. So you sort of like realize that for whatever reason, the priest class of default reality of which Don Lemon is a high priest have suddenly created this ridiculous version of scientists, of philosophers, of intellectuals that are domesticated people
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Can you imagine saying that? Like, it seems like a nightmare that you would wake up from.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
people normal fucking people is actually really awful in the sense that all of the like philosophers and scientists out there today who are like you know in their filthy fucking apartments who've been staring into a candle for like five hours they're not thinking like i'm a scientist They might be. You don't know.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Basically, it appears that the power structures in the world want to create this homogenous version of humanity within which there's all these declawed people who completely align on a few things.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
ridiculous facts absolutely and you can make those people very clawed if you bond them together to attack anybody who doesn't stay in line that's right yeah that's right and that is what again like a coup or you you get rid of the president at least you know it's not the president tyranny
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Where you don't have soldiers in the streets, but a kind of societal pressure, an unending pressure trying to push. Online bots. TikTok, the reels, the algorithm. Like, dude, have you ever looked at pendulum sync up?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I know it sucks because I try to send you some TikTok shit and you can't look at it.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I keep hoping you will. I try not to. I'm not giving in. Well, it is so incredibly hypnotic. It is so advanced in what it does. Not interested. It's really creepy, though, because it's homogenizing people. And that's what I don't like. It's creating this synced up. And it's creepy because the TikTok dance is...
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
is actually, if you think about it, it's really a symbol of what it's doing for a lot of other things. Like maybe you're not doing a choreographed dance with your family in front of the Christmas tree to some dumb song, but why is it that everything you say I've read I've seen written exactly in the same way on Reddit.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Why is it that every opinion you have matches, not just like the idea doesn't match, but the way you're verbalizing the idea is like a sentence that I've heard over and over and over again in different places. That is so spooky to me.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I saw that. I know what you're talking about. Is that real, though?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Well, I mean, the placebo effect- It's real. Is real. I've heard it's one of the most powerful effects in medicine. Is it really? Well, I mean, yeah. Think of the new cancer drugs. They tell your immune system what to attack, right? So if somehow you could do that without the drug, and that's where it gets interesting, right? Because- We, these are our bodies. Right.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Also, you know, the idea is you get these people to dress up like humans and then just get them to, like, intone whatever the fucking thing is you want them to read, and we think they're one of us, and so we believe them.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
That's the one where she's wearing the UFO necklace. You'll see. She's wearing a UFO necklace. She's a kook.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
All I know is she's in front of a podium, so I trust her.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Perfectly metabolizing, transforming so many things instantaneously, the heart effortlessly beating all the fucking time. So theoretically, purely theoretically, what if you could control more of it? Like how much of this thing can we actually control? And by the way, that's a really fun thing to think about because like, not much. So do you ever think about that?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
That's a terrible responsibility for him because you have to treat it really carefully. You have to put it in a vault. They have dudes.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Did he say that? No. No, he won't. I said that. I promise you. He still believes. He's not going to jerk off on the Torah. I promise you. He's going to put it. Oh, Talmud. The Torah he won't jerk off on. Dude, how about this one? Jamie, can you find... You remember that lady they hired for the Ministry of... It wasn't called that, but it was like... Yeah, yeah, Ministry of Disinformation.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Okay, can you find the Ministry of Disinformation lady singing Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious? You've seen that. Of course you've seen that. That was crazy. Cindy Orwell, I think her name is. Cindy Orwell.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It's fine if the United States isn't literally trillions of dollars in debt and partially because people like that are getting hired to sing fucking Mary Poppins shit songs about misinformation. Then it's an atrocity.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Dude. She should get. I mean, look, Nancy Pelosi deserves every penny this year. Bathtub full of diamonds.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Well, here's the problem, man. I mean, the problem is, well, number one, I think, okay, like you pull someone over, you breathalyze them, they're driving drunk, right? So you're like, you can't drive now because you're drunk. So also you wouldn't say to them, I'm going to give you the ability to pardon as many people as you want for any crime that you want, right?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Like you sort of think like, okay, like I'm – how much of my body can I really do anything about? I can eat good food. I can exercise. But all the quantum processes that are happening within, all of the things, you kind of realize you're just the tip of the iceberg. You're just the yappy tip of the iceberg.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah. Why would you still give them that power? Well, the other thing that's really fucking crazy about it is I don't know what the president makes a year, but it's not enough money. We barely pay the president anything. I think it's like $400,000. $400,000 a year. You can't say that's barely enough.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
No, I mean for the actual job. I mean literally every day you're shitting blood because no matter what you do, you say the wrong thing, 5,000 people accidentally die. It's the most stressful job on earth. I'm saying the actual thing theoretically in my mind. So I would say in the way that we pay our football players a shit ton of money, baseball players a shit ton of money, the dude –
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Theoretically, keeping our country from getting nuked should make a lot of money. Why not? How about this?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
To me, it's like on your way out. You sell pardons. On your way out, via some God knows what mechanism that's probably been in place for a long time, people are able to give you this or that, and you pardon that person.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
That's where it's fucked up. It's like, dude. Come on, bro. Come on, man. That's trading. That's how it works. That's how it works.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
We're going to let out murderers. And then especially if you got cooed. So especially you got cooed, you got humiliated, they didn't give you your drugs.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It's insane. Let him out. Why not? Let him out. You're going to do kids for cash? You're not going to do Joe fucking Exotic? Yeah. And how is Joe Exotic DMing me? How is this happening? I think he, because he knows, because you will say things like this. Does he have a phone? Joe? Dude, I feel like. Are you allowed to have a phone, Joe? Can you have a Twitter account?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Joe, I feel like right now, because of you aiding Trump and getting elected, and I don't think you're the kind of person to do this, but I do feel like you could probably call in at least one favor. Get Joe Exotic out. Dude, why not? For all of us.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And underneath it is all this stuff that is you but really isn't you if having control of yourself is like a way to identify this is me. So what are you in that swirl of particulates? Like what are you in there?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
That's an incarnation I would pick. If there's a VHS library of incarnations, there's a long line to be Johnny Cash. I'm picking Johnny Cash. Oh, my God.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I mean, if there was a simulator, and this is, again, like.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Oh, my God. Behind bars, live in San Quentin, 1991. Damn.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Seriously, you're thinking about that before you go on stage. They like Paul Rodriguez.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
There's a guy probably in the audience who wore his daughter's entrails as a necklace.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Ate his neighbors. Fucked his dog. It's badass. That's a badass move. Crazy move. That's a badass move. I mean, dude. When you think about all the shit that we're talking about and really when you sort of look at like just among our group of friends, the insane events the last few months.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I mean, just think about what that's like to be the star. I'm saying as far as power goes. I think power must be so addictive. And so you're the fucking president, not just the president. You're like this kind of rock star president for a second. Yeah, one of the greatest presidents of all time. Of all time. And so you lose that power. And now what? You know what I mean? Now what?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And then you try desperately to like grab control of the thing and you can't. It didn't work. So essentially whatever like prana or energy you've been extracting from having that kind of power, it's gone. It's gone. Now you have the nice house, but really, what's left? You are at the fucking control board for America, and now nothing. You wither. You deflate.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Oh, you're not allowed to say it until there's absolute peace and harmony on the planet. Then we can start saying it again. This is so scolding and weird.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Like when Altman came out and said this year, the CEO from the company, I think they make, I don't know, one of the other AIs said two years from now, I think. But the idea is if Biden came out and was like, guys. Got some news. We've detected a mothership. It's coming to the planet in a year.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
We don't understand anything about who they are other than they must have extraordinary technology based on what we've seen of their ship. I'm good. The whole planet. The next few years would just be getting ready. NASA, anthropologists, philosophers, scientists, defense people. What do we do if they want to fuck us up? What do we do? How do you interact with aliens?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
But having these tech people say, we are about to have a brand new species, essentially, a technological species. An AGI is coming to the planet that will surpass... Us, as far as being able to solve problems, we'll know everything. It's going to be here in about a year, maybe two years. You would think the reaction to that would be, okay, we've got to get ready for this. What does that mean?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Well, I'm... You know, it's not going to happen. I'm sure if... you could travel back in time. And there was an intelligent, semi-intelligent version of humanity, one of our ancestors who still had a workable tail. And you're like, hey, I want to show you what you're going to grow into. And probably there'd be a lot of things they're excited about. Whoa, cars, incredible.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Jesus Christ, you can shit in your own house? Wow. But then they would see that we didn't have tails. And they'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
i'm not doing that if i lose my tail so this is for sure the sort of cultural drama that we're seeing is and and you know the the trans controversy uh there's aspects to it where like yeah why why dude shouldn't be in sports but the reality is where we're going is going to make that controversy seem like nothing.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Yeah. And also, though, you know, when you get into the telepathy idea, which is sort of like the question is like, you know, right now. we identify our minds as some kind of neurological process, right? So the idea is like we have this like biocomputer and somewhere in there is our mind. Everything out here, not our mind.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Aren't you glad they're genderless? Sure. Can you imagine if the greys had big swinging dicks? Giant hogs. It would be horrible. Those grey pictures would be very different.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It feels crazy to me that you have to say that. It's so crazy.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
That's right. And also where it gets really fucked up is you are dancing to a song.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
that basically there's like here's two songs there's two songs you can dance to the right song or the song of the left the the metronome is beating out two i guess somewhat different rhythms people dance to those they get in fights over you got to do our dance yeah meanwhile there's a million other songs out there you could be dancing to and there are songs that are much older than america much older than then maybe the planet itself which is that's why i i really think
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
it's creepy the way that like Christianity or any religion where there's theism, it's in the list of things that should be decried by an intelligent person. We shoot down this notion of God. We shoot down this or that. But all of these religions, at the very least, they give you a new song to dance to that isn't fucking war drums. Right. You know what I mean? And they don't like that.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
They don't like that because suddenly you're supposed to be perturbed. Like, you know, that stupid.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Even though everything out here from a neurological perspective is our mind. Everything you're seeing is an instantaneous interpretation of a variety of phenomena that gets compressed into reality. And then... You say, oh, out there, that's not me. But it is you. It's like it's you in the way if you put on VR goggles, you know, except in this case, the VR goggles, it's your neocortex.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Only when they cleared that vet did we give them DACA status. And now we're talking about taking it away. It is morally wrong.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Oh, and also to most people that I have encountered. who have a lot of people i've encountered who are rejecting this religion or that it's i get it it's religious trauma i just ran into somebody at best buy recognized we had a long conversations religious trauma they were raised in some kind of like form of spiritual abuse and in that snake handlers Bingo.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
But listen, if you want to handle snakes, great. The problem is if you tell a kid to disregard their rational mind. In other words, the introduction to the conversation of questions regarding this or that are not met with like, oh, yeah, it's a good question. I don't know. But are met with...
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
you're going to hell you're going to hell you're demon possessed so then you experience that and of course you must reject the thing it's like when you when you have a hangover and you smell tequila you can't connect so i get it but the the main thing is what's what i love about religion or christianity is it's like just try it on for size what happens if you pray I know you don't believe in it.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It sounds insane. What the fuck are they talking about? It sounds absolutely nuts. I know. It sounds absolutely nuts. Now, what happens if you pray? Just for a few days, what happens if you pray? And then, once you start doing the experiment, it starts off with like, this is just, I'm going to do it. It's probably bullshit. Opium of the masses. But then you realize...
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
you're getting pulled in, not in a bad way, but right away there seems to be some feeling of connection, some sense of something a little different than what you're used to experiencing. And sometimes that can get really scary for people. And they're like, fuck this. No, it's getting me. And it's like, to me, that should be the experiment of anyone who's skeptical.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
And if you're skeptical about Christianity or any religion, you should be. You should 100% be skeptical of... It's like what Mark Twain said, religion is what happened when the first con man met the first fool. You should be skeptical. But if you read the Gospels... and you realize like the part of the story there is an invitation to connect on your own. You don't need the priest class.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
You don't have to listen to the fucking rules. You don't have to like, it's just between you and the eternal and see what happens. To me, that's the number one thing is just investigate, explore, and don't let anyone subvert your rational mind. Use that as a form of connecting with the thing.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Even if you connect via rejection, it's still worth a wholehearted exploration, at the very least to experience a cultural trance. I don't think that's what it is.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
That's right. And getting away from and also connecting to each other and transcending state propaganda. Like this is the this is like my favorite verse in the Bible. They're trying to trick trick Jesus. I don't know. They're asking.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It's all the processes that are making color, light, sound, et cetera. So if we're sort of sharing a dual reality, which is all the phenomena that's being interpreted into our minds, somewhere in there is the possibility that we kind of share a mind. So from that perspective, all these other things become possible. Telepathy, all of this stuff.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Why are you doing this? You can turn water into wine.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
You're doing it and you're like, I don't know. He's not tapping out.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Just that. You gotta be like, dude. Roll the window down.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I just read that they used to think smelling farts in a jar would cure diseases. What, it doesn't?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
It does. Look. You don't know. You don't know. Read that. In 2014, news headlines.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
These claims are based on a University of Exeter press release that was not about smelling farts.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Like, you know, you get around funny people, you get funnier. When I was doing the Midnight Gospels around all these artists, I got better at drawing. Like, you share a mind. It's the gestalt or, you know, where three or two or more of you gathered there will be. Something else comes in the room.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
You think a cap, but then you've got to get the cap on real fast.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Or just the jar only has, yeah, a little fart. I want a 3.30 a.m.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I mean, you farting in jars. The sad thing about that article, though, because it comes out. And so that means there's people who think farts in a jar can cure cancer. And that means that somebody was laying in bed dying and someone who loved them came up and said, I know this is going to seem weird, Dad. but I need you to smell this.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Now that's a horror movie right there. Like you find like a 17th century fart.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Maybe that is the fountain of youth. Maybe the thing they're trying to hide from us, the most obvious thing, is if you smell an aged fart, you're going to reverse age.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Can you pull that up again? I find it interesting that someone wrote an entire essay on how to do this. Will you go back to the beginning? I just want to read. How do you introduce the story here? How do you bring this up to a fucking person where you want a grant? I recently caught my four-year-old nephew attempting to fart into a jar in the hopes of saving it for later to surprise Grant.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I want to show you my jar collection. Those are my farts. Now that's New Year's Eve. And he's torturing animals. That's a fart when September 11th happens. That is a fear fart.
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
I know. It's crazy. Like me either. I don't know what happened. Usually you have to piss like four times for this. I know.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I looked at all the dudes. Now, my dream, let me make sure I didn't steer you wrong on that. My dream was to do these things out of being driven. Like, when I moved to Nashville, I wrote on a chalkboard, write a number one song. You know, win a CMA award. Oh, you had a vision board. I had a little vision board. Nice. But I didn't understand.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I didn't really comprehend the money after that because I didn't know it. And I didn't know, like... Like, people are like, I'm a big Georgia Bulldog fan. And they're like, did you go to Georgia? And I'm like... Buddy, me going to the University of Georgia when I was 18 years old, I mean, I barely – my dad barely got the money for me to go to the community college 12 minutes down the road.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So going to Georgia didn't – I didn't even put it in there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's good for your life. I lost my brother and my sister, and my sister's husband passed away. And, man, I lost my brother at 26, my sister at 39, and her husband died at 45. And, man, it is present. The daily appreciation of this deal is visually present.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, and I tell people, man, you meet – I tell people, man, really be careful because if you make it to 80, you're going to get popped with something. I don't think you can get through this thing –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
No, no. I'm saying you're going to lose something. You're going to lose something, dear.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You're not going to get through A to Z without really a hard loss. No, that's just a part of life. But some people, man, they're just... Delusional.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I get it from him. Your big horse racing guys, their adjective of themselves is, I'm a degenerate. That's the first thing they say.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Think about, I think about this all the time. I would go stay with a buddy. at his house, and he'd go, man, I rented Faces of Death.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I wouldn't watch them. I'd be like, man, my parents told me not to watch that. He'd go, what? You don't want to watch this guy get electrocuted? And I'm like, fuck no, I don't want to watch a dude get electrocuted. Dude, we're watching people... We're watching people.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, legs breaking. Oh, yeah. I mean, I remember Joe Theismann. When Joe Theismann broke his leg. Dude, it like shut the country down.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Oh, I can see it coming, but I do love... I do love the funny, comical aspect of it that gets me and a cup of coffee dying laughing at some person being a goofball. Or memes.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
What's amazing is we've gotten to where we can see the meme happen and predict the meme and the memes on your phone the next day. And you're like.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, I mean, there's a million places we can go, but, you know, you look at, Yeah, I mean, the damn children, my kids, I mean, we're yelling at them every day, get up, get off the phone, get outside. They do a good job, but, man, I think it's just a part of their deal.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Like my son, he's a 16-year-old quarterback. And, man, he watches all these other quarterbacks. Hell, there are 14 recruiting download sites. And my son's like, that dude right there is the greatest quarterback in the country. I said, well, how old is he, Bo? He's 15, Dad. I'm like, Bo, we don't know what that little shit's going to be. What are you talking about?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
He goes, well, Dad, he's a five-star and he's 15. I'm like, Bo, your dad, when I moved to Nashville, I was a one-star country singer. If I'd had a rating next to me and probability of me making it, yeah, it would have been a one-star. I worked myself into hopefully a three-star. Three-star recruit. And he's looking at me like I'm crazy. And so one of those kids... He played them.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Now, my son's not starting. He's backup quarterback to a great quarterback. And we played them and we beat them. We get down. He gets home after the game. I said, what did you think about your little savior there? He goes, he's still the greatest quarterback of all time. I said, boo, he lost the fucking game. He's 15. Just, son, let it – let's let life happen before we anoint.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Exactly. He don't know what's going to – Yeah, you're 15.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, some new Russian exchange student that needs an English tutor.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
When I have my 14-year-old go, Dad, I'm anxious about this. I'm like, I didn't know the word anxious. Right. I didn't know the word anxious until I was 35 years old.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It wasn't processed as anxiety. It was processed as like. Life. Yeah. Getting nervous. Yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I got a big test. My stomach hurts. I got to go take a shit. Right, right, right. Yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But when you transition to that... 30, 40, 50,000 a hand, you'll be down a million or two. And I say, because I've watched some other buddies that bet on that level, I'm talking about like 15 hand swing is an $800,000 swing. And I'm like... But that's the scary part about gambling.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, what amazes me is, man, what breaks my heart is when people think they're all alone in their thing that's hanging up their life.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
When you meet somebody and it's all scaled way differently, like when you meet, you know, you know, I've had people, you know, you know, when you when you grow up in a country music band and you're on the bus for hours with buddies and everybody go, they got their own life and then, man, you find out.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I had one band member almost kill himself over something that if he'd have just had somebody say, man, I have that too.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And people have got to quit thinking that they're the only ones that have gone through this thing.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. That's why you need friends. See, my household was a man. We sat at the dinner table, and, dude, it came out. What? I'm talking about. That's good. And then, but my wife's household was, man, they, you know. Bottled it up. They bottled it up, and it all worked, and we don't know who came out better.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But me and my wife, you know, we work on, like, you know, we work on, like, I mean, like, my wife never saw her mama, like, in the shower before.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
like just shower and you know like walk through the house naked i mean hell we had one bathroom it was like we're a bunch of damn naked idiots running around trying to get to the bathroom and my wife said yeah my mama did not uh shower with the door open and i'm like or and i'm like really she's like i'm like you're kidding me never once i'm like just that's kind of crazy
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
My 16-year-old, so my beard... We're living in our guest house right now because we're doing some work to our main house. Our main house had stuff that just kept happening, and we were like... We're moving out, and when we move back in, have it all fixed. So we got three, we got a 22-year-old, a 16-year-old living in the same house.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
When my wife stored all of my bathroom stuff, it's in a box somewhere on my shaving gear. I run into my son's bathroom, my 16-year-old, and I grabbed his beard trimmer. I grabbed his fucking trimmer sitting there, and I shaved my beard, and I'm all up under my nose. You smell ball hair? No! No! I get in my truck, and I'm driving down the road. My son gets home from school crying, laughing. What?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dad, you shaved your beard with my ball trimmers. And I was like, you little shit. First of all, I'm like, what in the hell? 16-year-old manscaping? What the fuck's going on? It's a new world. I know. I'm like, dude, I never imagined you had... I don't even think he's... You know, whatever. These damn... It's so fun, man. These kids. My dad... God, it's so amazing. Dude, we were elk hunting, man.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
My 14-year-old, we got this really cool, when we go elk hunt, we got to wade across a river to get to our elk spot. And the first couple years, man, we just stripped down to our underwear and hung our boots and all our gear on. and walked underwear, and dude, it was kind of like, we're really men, you know? And so Tate and Bo, Bo the first time, I would put him on my shoulders and walk him.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, then after two years, we were like, dude, let's go by and get like eight pairs of waders and sit them on the bank and we'll leave the waders and everybody's like, that's a damn good idea. I'm like, yeah. I mean, how many years does it take y'all to understand, go get some damn waders? So Tate, for the last three years, I've toted him across the river.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, man, I looked at him the last day of the hunt. And this was Tate's year to try to get an elk. And he – actually, Dad, I kind of messed up the elk hunt. I moved and spooked the elk, which was great because he realized that just because you're Luke Bryan's son, you don't get the damn elk. And I said, hey – um, I said, uh, I want to touch you across the river. I said, you're growing.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And this probably the last year. So I told him across the river. And then on the way back, he goes, Hey dad, I want to wait it by myself. And man, he, uh, he, what you don't realize how much your kids really are watching you, but we're sitting on the bank and he's watching me. And I sit my bow down and he takes his bow and sits it down. And he watches everything I do and it was cutest thing ever.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
When you start, when you don't have much money and you grow into some money, but your level of what you want to press your anxiety level and your endorphins and all that, it grows with your wealth. And, man, next thing you know, you're –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I haven't even told my wife. So every year I take my boots and I tie them in a knot and I, And I hang them and throw them over my, because we're toting gear, and I throw my boots over my shoulders so they don't get wet. And, man, I looked at him, and he's sitting there tying his little string. He stands up and throws them boots.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And he just, man, watching your kids just absorb it is just, you know, it's pretty damn special.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, right. That goes away. Right. Well, it's like the whole, you know, there's a lot in society that... I think we're preyed upon with that thought process, gambling and a lot of- Dopamine hits.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then once one level of the dopamine levels out, then you go to the next one.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, I can say that- I always have fun with it. I mean, I've always had fun gambling. And a lot of times I take my band after we get off stage and we'd have one band night and I'd like set them all up with some chips. And I've gotten at a craps table where I can kind of manage everybody's bets. And I'm like, don't do that now. Wait, wait.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And it's kind of like the, you know, steering the mothership. And we had some great nights, you know. just laughing and cutting up and cheering. Like I said, one guy walks up and everybody rubs his head for good. It's just camaraderie at the craps table. I gambled so much at the craps table.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I'm out there, like, I'm playing, and I look at my, you know, because they work in teams, you know, and my team comes out on stage, and dude, I was roaring laughing. I'm like, yeah, so.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
He was all in with the gambling. One of my dad's famous quotes is – So he flies me out to Vegas when I'm 21 or whatever, and man, I had like, we were in college, and I took like 300 or 400 bucks with me, you know, just broke as shit.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And then my, you know, because we're obviously southeastern Tennessee Bible Belt. And I don't know, but there's certain states. I guess Tennessee is a legal gambling state because... Or maybe George. I can't tell. I have to talk to my nephews, all of his buddies, and see if they're on the little apps. But, man, they'll go sign their buddies up to get the $200 free.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, you got to pay your 50 cent to do the dollar bet.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Hey, what's up, Luke? This has been a long time in the making.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
the mohegan i'd go play there a couple years i did one night i did three nights there and dude i'm like getting off stage just sitting there gambling and you know i'm like am i coming out ahead on this gig or what but i think i got out there making a little money yeah it's it's weird though that you could do that legally like well then even like in tennessee and tunica back in the day you just put a barge on the mississippi river and you can gamble it's like well what is that all about right that's that show ozark
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, totally the same premise. You know, it's like put a barge on the river and now let's take all these people's money.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, that's the two analogies, degenerate or riverboat gambler. Be careful of all of them.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I elk hunt every year in Colorado. Is that where you've done – I've done Colorado.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. Well, first of all, Cam Haynes and I, we've got a connection with Cam. Yeah. Just love that guy. So when I saw Colorado do that, I was like – It's just like, what are we doing, guys?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, we can really dive into this and let's do it. My thing is... We are so governed in the world of wildlife biology through the states and stuff. They're not going to let humans ruin animal populations, I don't think, anymore. No, of course. If anything's going to happen, they're going to mess it up and let animal populations get too big. Right.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And two hours into the trip, lose my money, and this was like, well, where we still had truck phones, you know, I'm not even sure we were like toting, no, we certainly didn't have like the Motorola Razr where he could just call me, so... He just goes looking for me and he calls my hotel room and he's like, boy, what you doing? He's real southern Georgia.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I was, and I don't know who to name or whatever, but I was with some guys with Wyoming, and we're talking about grizzly bears. And I said, man, you know, because they brought up grizzly bear problems, and I said, well, what is the deal? And they said, well, there's 1,400 to 1,500 grizzly bears in Wyoming. There needs to be 500 to 600 grizzly bears. And five of the 1,500 are only hunting humans.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
What? But there's not that many human deaths. Well, in Yellowstone, if you pay attention, there's about two or three that get... Right, but those 500 grizzly bears that are just 100 humans... No, five, five, five, not 500. So there's five grizzly bears... Right, there's like five grizz... Sorry, this probably won't be the first time I... I'm not totally clear with you.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But, yeah, so there's 1,400 to 1,500. There needs to be 500 to 600 grizzlies. But of those five to six, of all of them, five of them have like, oh, we don't care about salmon anymore. We want to sit by this trail and pick off this hiker. Jesus Christ. And that is a high-up biologist in Wyoming telling me that. And I'm like, well, why won't they let you all go in there?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Let some hunters – think about the – you can do the math. Do a $30,000 grizzly bear tag. Do a $20,000 one. They'll go for that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Go in and let it – manage it right. But there's one federal judge that's got it all shut down. One judge.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I went on a bear hunt in Alberta, and there's so many grizzlies now, you can't even go. It was through cams people. John and Jen. Yeah. I saw them recently, and they've had to move.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Was it you that was talking about they were trying to determine a male grizzly versus a male gorilla and who would win?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, but when you think about $30,000, $40,000 per grizzly and then the guiding fee and then the taxidermy.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
All of it. And then at the end of that, nobody's going to let the grizzlies get... Exterminated.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And then when you look at the population, how beautiful the elk population is in Colorado, and how amazingly managed it is in Colorado, for public hunters, for a guy like me that can go get an over-the-counter tag, I think they're probably going to wipe out over-the-counter tags for out-of-staters. They're going to make it a draw tag.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And then, now the wolves get to eat them, and I don't get to bring my elk hunting money in and give it to the... Right.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I said, I lost all my damn money and hell with this place. He goes, well, you ain't going to win it back in the goddamn room. So, I mean, once you have that mindset in gambling, certainly, I mean, when that's your dad going.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So I went on a salmon trip up in British Columbia. And what – 99% of your interpretation of a grizzly is this big old fat chunky thing. Well, so we're flying in on these helicopters to go – The salmon runs that are running up into the mountains of British Columbia. And it's an amazing trip.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Like you fly over in the helicopter, you look down, you see the huge schools of salmon, you take your fly rod and you go catch them and drink your beer. Well, helicopter pilot was like, hey, man, we've seen some grizzlies. In the area, just – and, you know, at the time, we're like, man, this is all part of the – Experience. Yeah, it's like get us kind of going a little bit.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, we land, and the night before, we didn't fish that day, so we'd flown in and drank some wine. And, dude, you know, my eyes are like fuzzy, and we're fishing, and I tell my guy I'm with, I'm like, hey, I'm going to go to the helicopter and get a beer or something. And, dude, I get there, and I pop my beer, and I'm like – I look down the river, and I'm like –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
fuck, that is a fucking grizzly coming toward my buddy. And I went, Jay! And dude, it was slim and like a damn, it was lean and like a greyhound. Not, I wouldn't say lean, but it hadn't got all fat on salmon yet. Well, it comes down the bank. And jumps in and we ease back to the helicopter. We look back, here comes another grizzly, literally 30 yards from us.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I'm like, we get there and I'd left my beer on the bank and my grizzly sticks his tongue in my beer. And then he jumps in the river. I run, grab the beer, drink. I'm like, grizzly spit. Anyway, the helicopter pilot goes. You did not drink a beer.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Some berry infection or salmon infection. Moose ass. So listen, dude, we get on the helicopter and the pilot's like, man, they're getting too comfortable. We take off, fly a mile down the river. I'd already had my fly rod together. I never broke it down, so I sat it in a little basket, and we land.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I take off about 200 yards, start fishing, and I had to slide down this 20-foot cut bank where the river had cut the bank. I look across the river, and here comes a grizzly bear galloping on the other side of the river. And I'm like, well, I've already seen the other two mature ones. And I was like, well, that's a baby grizzly. I was like, that's cute.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And so that's been a famous saying when my buddies, you know, when they're down and out, down two or three grand, and they're pouting over the bar, you know, you're not going to win it back at the goddamn bar. But I did – I went through phases where, you know, I never really got financially behind when I didn't have money. I would just – I controlled it pretty well.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, that grizzly hits that bank on the other side of that river and jumps about 20 feet in the air and lands in that river. It looked like a Volkswagen VW bug hit that river. I take off to the helicopter. All my guys are like, get here, get here. A mother and two of the babies were on my tail.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And when I got to the helicopter, dude, ruined my whole trip. I couldn't relax.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Oh, they're the ones that... They fuck everybody up. Yeah. In two seconds.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The thing about it with me, now listen, I grew up deer hunting my whole life, ducks, dove, quail, and man, I always had a soft spot for bears. And probably I still, it's not like I got to go shoot bears every year. I mean, whatever. But when you find out, when you hear you are a hunter and there are...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Like when I met John and Jenny, and they were like, Luke, there are so many that need to be managed. I was like, man, that's cool. Let's go do a bear hunt. Had a great time and didn't get all heady with killing a bear. I mean, I know guys in Tennessee, in Gatlinburg, Joe. I mean, dude, they are darting black bears off second-story Holiday Inn balconies. They're digging in.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And they dart them and move them back into the Smoky Mountains.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I did my two years out there. I never really had any big beats or anything like that. But I do love to just – man, I love to just sit there, have a drink, have a cigar, and watch Dice and Cards because you're just not – you're just sitting there and your mind's checked out. Right. It's like –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Joe, my mother lives in Mexico Beach, Florida. On the panhandle.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And they, like, trash cans turned over every day. Crazy amounts in South Georgia and Florida.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So down in the furthest, most southern corner of Georgia, Bainbridge, Georgia, and all that, and then Mexico Beach, Florida, around Lake Seminole. I mean, they're everywhere down there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, it's... You know, like I said, I'm not the... That's a perfect shot. I think there's healthy numbers of all of it. And like I said, when I see... You know, when you see... I don't know. Wolves and Elks.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, you see they got it in a slide. They had to put it in a... Well... That's crazy.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, and you know, the sad part about, I think, California, you know, the whole... The gallbladder deal, I don't know much about that, but there was a black market for black bear gallbladders.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
No different than going to the driving range and hitting golf balls or sitting on the bank fishing or sitting in a deer stand. But I got out of there. I got all my gambling, at least for now, out of my system. But it was great to meet your kids there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Did you ever see the guy that filmed the 10-minute grizzly fight?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, they're going to... That's the thing. I think it's no different than... I mean, I grew up in South Georgia with gators and... Yeah, same thing. You get one comfortable with you, man, and it's— Not good. It is not good at all.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, I had whitetail hunting. And I remember, man, you know, being a 14-year-old kid shooting a deer and having remorse. But then you need to have that remorse, too, as a hunter. You need to understand. You're taking a life. Yes. And you need to. And I tell my boys that. My boys have grown up in it seriously. And I'm like, hey, man.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, it was a fun show because we got to really do a lot of bells and whistles out there that aren't available on normal shows when you're out touring and stuff because you're having to take down stuff, be real mobile out there. We put a lot of stuff in the room. Right.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. And then and listen, you know, the success rate of the proper ethical things always line up that that that you know, you don't the success rate doesn't always go like you wanted it to. Right. And but, you know, the fact that. Hunters still are working every day just to keep hunting, and the fact that hunting is declining so bad.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
One of the best... Things that's just naturally happened at our house. And my wife is, you know, my wife's like typical housewife, plays tennis, great shape, doesn't, you know, when she kind of eats like a bird when she does eat. But man, she will call me and she'll go, hey, let's have elk night. And because we keep our freezer in my garage and I've got all my tackle in there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And she has through the years understood that. Like, hey, I'm going to run out to the freezer. We're going to do taco night. I'm going to throw all the elk meat in the sink and start thawing it. And, man, over the last five years. I've woke up and we haven't had beef, cattle, hamburger, tacos, spaghettis, bolognese. We haven't eaten it in five years at my house.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It takes you a minute to go, hey, put it in the freezer and then plan your dinner. We all get busy with kids and stuff like that, but I'm so proud of her that she'll call me and be like, Hey, I'm going out to the freezer. Do you want me to get these elk tenderloins? Because by the time me and my... I got three children that go out there with me now, and two or three of us will get one.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, we got enough meat. Like, it's awesome that... It's the best food.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Man, when you pat out an elk patty hamburger, like, your hands have nothing on it. Right. Like, I mean, you could take beef patty and just like... It's just like...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And we had our routine. I mean, I had my room and, you know, about 6.30 I'd hop in the shower, run down there and get on stage about 8.30 and knock it out. And 10.30... Somewhere at a craps table.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, yeah, and, yeah, when you can go, like, we, at my place, my deer place in southern Tennessee, yeah, man, we just, we make sure, man, I got a big walk-in cooler there. And if we're not going to take something in there, I've got some red stag at my place in Tennessee. I did a high fence down there. So between stag and white tail and elk, you know, we're moving meat around and making jerky.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
We, um. It's interesting because Tennessee is very, very strict on their whitetail.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So my 14 year old has been going to Colorado with me since he was five or six. And when they're that little, obviously they can't bow hunt, but we would get an elk down. And I'd let the boys hike up with me and pack the elk out. And one day we had another hunter with us going to get an elk. And my two little ones were following me. And I said, well, we had an elk bugle.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I said, hey, boys, stay right here. And they're six and eight. And we went up the hill and I could keep, well, Tate, right before I walked off, he goes, dad. Are they going to kill us if we sit here? Because those elk bugle, I mean, you can feel their bugles in the woods. And I said, no, son. You can feel them in your chest. So we went up and tried to call this elk in.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And then some elk did actually cross in front of them. And there's six and eight just sitting there, this big herd of elk coming by. And we come back. And I was watching. I could see them sitting down there on this tall log that I put them on. And I got back and they were like. I mean, you know, having your boys, I mean, that's what I live for.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I just wish we could create a narrative where getting your children doing that will, I mean, I don't know.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
What is this? That is the tricky part, really, with all outdoors. If you could bridge the gap between... all parts of urban life and allow urban life to find a place to go But we went through a phase in outdoors where landowners were like, if you hunt my land and you twist your ankle and break your leg, you're going to sue me. So no, you're not allowed to come hunt my land.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So all the deer get overpopulated, eat all my crops. And then, so I think now states, I think Tennessee has put a law into where some of those getting sued. Well, what I'm saying is that feeds people's, Inability to go find somewhere to hunt, too. I mean, so many people don't have a 50 acre farm. They can't afford it, but they want to go hunt.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And then I just hope the hunting community and even the whole outdoor community can make it more accessible and landowners. I mean, I had this little lady that that. I wanted a turkey hunt. She had 60 acres that bordered like a 300-acre track of mine. And I was like, ma'am, when I'm out hunting and some of my turkeys or our turkeys may cross onto your property, do you mind if I go?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And her house is a mile away from home. Or it's 50 acres. It's probably 400 yards. She thought my shotgun was going to shoot through her house and kill her. And I had to spend 45 minutes. And she grew up in Tennessee in the country. And she doesn't understand that a shotgun is not, you know.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And so, man, the education of it all, just the bridge and the knowledge of it gradually gets worse and worse.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But the need for it gets greater and greater. And I tell my children all the time, I'm like, boys. There is no drug in the world. And I'm not a, you know, I'm a pretty straight guy. I've never done much of that. But I said, I got a lot of crazy buddies that have. And when a big elk's walking in or a big whitetail or you hook a big fish, the adrenaline from that, no drug will replace it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, here's the beauty of all that in the outdoors. You know, when you – here, these are mild. They're good, though.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
That's good. Man, when you kind of conquer one level of fishing or hunting, then there's another one you can go learn the space in. You know what I'm saying? You can go... And what I say is, like, I just... I mean, from the elk hunter that I was... The elk hunter that I was 10 years ago, like, took so much... Took so much work... To even get from a 10% knowledgeable elk hunter to a 60%.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Now, I can watch that elk react to everything and know how that elk's reacting because I've done it for 11, 12 years now. And I've taken my boys. Well, so when you get tired of whitetail hunting and whitetail hunting gets rudimentary, then go try to dig in and take it to the next level to challenge yourself.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So we were able to keep that. Keep that a good little secret to them.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
That's what's so fun about, like, when I got, I was always a bass fisherman, always a bass fisherman, never a fly fisherman. Well, then I got into fly fisherman, and that became the new seven-year challenge that I... You tie your own flies? I can now, the little, I can tie big streamers. Right. But, like, the little bitty... Where you gotta get, like, goggles on and shit.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's a real art form. Totally. One of the most rewarding things you can do is make your own fly and trick a big fish with it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The handling of the trout, like when I was, you know, I grew up bass fishing and we're like, and the bass flies out of the water. We grab it and, you know, as kids we're like, ah, we throw it, you know, you catch a trout and it's like a, it's like a creature. Yeah, it's like a team in the delivery room comes in to hold the brand-new baby. Heck, they treat newborns.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
They're slapping newborns around and getting their lungs going before you mishandle a trout. But the whole mystique of trout and all of this stuff is just, man, it's outlets for all of us. I mean, I remember when I moved to Nashville, man, my dad, he kept me.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
fishing and hunting and he wound up being a pretty dang successful business guy and he all he told me he goes dude when you move to nashville don't forget to take time to go do that stuff and you know for about two or three years Man, I didn't. I was focusing on my career. But now as I roll out, you know, as I'm kind of... Established. You know, man, it's been the highlight.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And the fact that three boys landed in my life, like, you know, my wife's like, it's not even fair that you have... Because I can always use one of them. I was like, well, baby Bo, you know, he's really been stressed at school and he wants to hunt this evening. She's like... I know your game. I know your game.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And that's why, you know, you hope—the whole education of hunting and landowners and conservation of the animals and all the land ties into where, you know, landowners need to— have a better understanding of, man, give this old boy a break. Give this guy that just knocked on your door and asked permission the good old-fashioned way, man, give him a break and let him take his son or go hunt.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, I had a guy shoot a stag. First year, I put my stag in my fence, shot him right off the road. Really? Left him. Man. Oh, my God. You talk about pissed. Right off the road.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Man, I don't know. You know, I guess enough whiskey and an old back road and a rifle, you'll— Shitty education, bad childhood, all of the above.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But yeah, I mean, I look at... I've got Till, my nephew, he's lived with me since he was 12 and then Till's 22 now and Bo is 16 and Tate is 14. And Till was 15 when he killed his first elk. The rule has been if you can pull 55 pounds, you're ready to hunt. And so Bo is a lot bigger than Tate. When he was 13 and 14, he said, Bo, my 13-year-old killed a full-grown elk at 13. Whoa.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
With a bow. Whoa. Totally the frigging most badass thing I've ever seen.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, he did it, and he earned it. And like I said, I've been hiking him up those hills. That's what another—like, the hunting and the killing is—man, when you pack out a damn 800-pound animal, the first time I packed my elk out, dude, when I got to the Polaris, I mean, I was like— I was sobbing like from exertion, like delusional because we took a wrong turn.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
We hit a big Aspen blowdown, and I had to tote the head and the cape out, and I had to walk over blown-down Aspens with that cape. And once we got 500 yards into the blowdown— And, man, we got to that buggy. And all the elk hunting guides, they're the toughest dudes. Oh, yeah, they're doing that all year long.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
They're the toughest guys. I tell people, man, if I get called to a serious— If I get called in in a serious war, I'm calling my elk guides. That's my first call. But, you know, and I didn't grow up ever thinking I'd have the opportunity or the ability to go hunt elk. But once you start doing it and – but, you know, man, this week I killed – Thursday I killed my biggest whitetail I ever did.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, man, I was so – I'm so – like overwhelmed by killing it. I haven't even like, I don't even know if I've enjoyed it yet because it was, it kind of happened fast, but it's just so fun. You got a picture? How big is it? It was big. So listen now, and so I didn't post it because it's obviously in my high fence and you know the, you know, but man, this deer was born in the fence.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
In Tennessee, you can't bring any genetics in. You can't do anything, whatever herd you have, Whatever wild Tennessee deer you have, you have to grow them. And man, this deer, Joe, when he was two years old, we were like, what in the fuck? What a UFO ship dropped this off in here.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
He started with huge mass, different looking genetics, and we watched him for, we grew him for, we feel like he's five and a half. Whoa. Dude, we are over the moon about this deer.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I bet y'all, were you betting with them too at that time?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I guess all together it's probably 1,200 acres in the fence.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I'll put it to you this way. We put about 18 red stag in there. We don't know how many there are. That deer might have got fucked by a stag. I think he might have. I think his mom. Yeah, he might have crossed. A hybrid, yeah. Dude, we will ride around. We have too many stag, and we'll try to thin them out. Joe, we can't find them. Like... Literally, like, we'll spend a day.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I'm like, hey, grab the rifle. We're going to pull up here, walk this bottom. Can't find them. There's 60 of them in there. We hunted them for four days this weekend. We killed two.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Don't get in any trouble now either. Don't lose the gig.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, and I – you know, listen, I mean, there are a million ways you can criticize me for having the high fence. But, you know, I have low fences that we bounce back and forth on the low fences. Because that's fun as hell, too, to not know what's walking in. But the main thing is I wanted my boys to have the ability to manage deer and grow them. And I grew up – I love South Texas.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Big, big – I love South Texas deer hunt. Like – But I learned, I leased a South Texas place down here. And then I learned having young children and my schedule, man, to go on a South Texas ranch, commit that much to a South Texas ranch, and get five days there wasn't my thing. So my high fence in Tennessee is kind of like my little ode or my little homage to my love for South Texas whitetails.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So you can keep it close. Keep it close. It's 55 minutes from the house.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And it's a retreat. I get down there. You know, Starlink has ruined us because now we have Internet. But before that, man, we'd pull in the hauler down there and you'd have to drive up to the hill to make a phone call. But, oh, Elon saved us on that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, what was funny is the first time we saw the satellites come over, we were at elk camp. You know, my nephew, Till, he's 21, and we're all liquored up. And my nephew, he goes, guys, I know we've been drinking all day, but what in the hell is coming toward us right now? And we were like, and then we had one guy in the group was like, God damn, that's Elon Musk.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, my wife, when I went to elk camp, my wife was like, all right, I'll hear you. I'll see you. I'll talk to you in six days. First day, elk camp, set the Starlink out, FaceTime.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I hunt South Texas every year, and the ranch we went to last year, At any given moment, you can drive and pick up 50 backpacks. They just... That ranch looks like... And I hadn't been... This ranch was closer to the border than I've ever been. And there are piles of backpacks and tarps. You know, they'll take tarps and...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
put the tarp out, and they'll wait in the day, and then they get picked up at night, typically. But when they get picked up, they chunk their backpack. The ranch I was at, they have to have a full-time team of people just going around picking up backpacks and keeping trash off the ranch.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's heartbreaking because, dude, if anybody, dude, I can't imagine having to walk through that brush to get to freedom. Right. And not knowing where you're going. Not knowing where you're going and probably you have kids.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, when I leave South Texas, I'm pulling cactuses out of my ass for a month.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Especially if you do, you know, you go rattle for them and stuff.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And water, yeah. When you think about, man, you get your water rations. Yeah. You miss that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Every ranch I've went to, the ranch owner, you know, they're encountering two deaths a year, 15 to 20. Most of the time they come up to the main headquarters needing water. And when they get to you – or that's been my experience with talking to ranch managers down there – They're very, you know, they're not, I don't think they're there to create any problems.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. Well, I think, you know, and even imagine before, like, the oil booms and oil rigs and stuff. Like, now they have a little bit of visual lights to walk to.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I don't know. I mean, you know, we've been there, and, you know, the guys, they open box blinds. You know, they're hunting towers, and there's a family sleeping in the box blind. Man, you just got to feel so sorry for them.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, how bad—I mean, I thought—I mean, dude, I remember when I was— 15, 16 years old, processing Cubans where it's so bad that you're going to fucking piece together a raft and you're going to give it a go for Miami.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I remember being 16 going, how bad must that be? How bad must that be? Pretty fucking bad. Pretty fucking bad.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's from Africa to Cuba to Venezuela. The whole African... Yeah. That whole...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I haven't, but I know I will. I can go on this show and say, man, I'm not one of those guys that's thinking about an elephant or lions and all that. I love to bow hunt, and I like plains animals, you know. Your kudos and all that stuff, man. When my boys get a little older and we can do a proper two-month – currently, sports and my children have ruined my hunting life.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So, thank you. Well, Vegas, you know, that was wrapping up Vegas. So, yeah, that was a fun two years of residency there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, because my boys are going to play all the sports. But when we can get a – I'd love to do them a gap year and let's go do a true safari.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And when I say safari, that doesn't mean I want to go hunt 60 days. I want to see all of the Serengetis and all of the animals and take in the animals for a month and have the wives and the girls and the girlfriends and we sit out there and do the safaris. But then I want to carve out two or three days where all the boys go hunting. You know, go get the true Plains game.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I would love – man, I tell you, it's a pretty cool story. My pilot, my lead pilot is South African. And during COVID, man, he couldn't – his mother was dying, and he couldn't get down there to tell his mother bye. And at this point, I just kind of got to know AJ. And, man – I've always heard that South Africans are pretty badass dudes.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And at the time, I was learning that AJ's a pretty badass dude. I didn't altogether know it, but... Well, he got with me, and he goes, Luke, man, it's still – I cannot get into South Africa.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It may have been his mother or his wife's mother, but I called some local guys, some local Congress guys in Tennessee, and they granted him permission to get down there, and they got to tell either his wife's mother by it. Well, he comes back, and he's like, Luke, I now owe you a Cape Buffalo. What? And I was like, what? He goes, my family has a big ranch. We're overrun with Cape Buffalo.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And you now have one of my Cape Buffalo. So, dude, he is going to fly me down there. And I'm like, that's just kind of the way he's wired. But, you know, he's going to help us with some safari stuff.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
yeah now they are bad yeah you you don't just go running up to them yeah like with with your not your shit together that's a big animal that's like a 1800 pound animal right maybe bigger and like all muscle
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The true form of like, yeah, no, that's even a whole nother level of true organics when it takes you.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, when you're jerky, jerky right out of the right out of the, you know, right in the field.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean – Because most plains animals in Africa, historically, they say are far beyond our plains animals as far as the meat. Like your kudus and your – I mean, I'm drawing a blank on all the plains games. And like I said, this is stuff that I'm like –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
totally elementary in because i don't i just don't know much about that whole african thing it seems like the things that the big cats want to eat are all delicious right yeah like uh i shot a meal guy a couple years ago and tigers eat them right did you ever eat the meal yes delicious and the meat is like a even more vivid a more vivid red uh color to it than even our you know our elk and stuff
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Sit there and pick them off. They know what they're doing. Well, have you done Africa? Are you going to do it? I would like to. I'd like to go over to Africa just to see it. So you really got it. Cam, was he kind of your catalyst?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, God, I mean, it's like you had— It's like you had – Michael Jordan teach you how to play basketball. Yeah, Michael Jordan teach you how to shoot free throws. Yeah. It's so fun, though. But, you know, even with – I tell you, man, I dove hard into duck hunting. And you talk about – you talk about, I mean, learning to blow a duck call.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And when you think you know how to blow a duck call and you get next to somebody that blows a duck call and you blow yours and the room starts laughing at you, like ridicule, like – Take your duck call off and put it in your bedroom and leave it when we go hunting. And I'm like, dude, I've been working on this fucking thing for four years. And they're like, and it's so funny.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Listen, man, let me tell you something. Dude, I got given a chocolate lab about eight years ago. And here comes this wormy-ass chocolate lab into my home, you know, scrawny. And since then, oh, my God, that damn animal has thrust me into duck hunting just so I could take him duck hunting.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But, man, and my wife is – this dog, man – This dog can open every drawer in our house. He can open Frito-Lays with his – he can smack Frito-Lays open and eat them. He can – he is – he's pushed a porcelain pound cake, a pound cake on a porcelain island off onto the floor, ate the pound cake and the porcelain dish, and – Like, X-ray, 100 shards of porcelain in his stomach.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The vet's like, put that fucker out in the yard. And if he makes it, if he lives, call me back. He lived. And now I have duck hunting properties. And we're in the house blowing duck calls. My wife's like... I mean, my wife's like four boys in the house, all of them blowing duck calls. She's like, man, one day, yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
We have elevated blinds that are brushed in and some brush. And then we have pit blinds that are, you know, when you get down in a pit blind. And then you lift it up. Yeah, you're right along the water level. And then...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
you know we have uh you know there's experiences where you wade in the woods and they they come down in the woods and and man it's just uh and and it's uh the thing about the thing that really makes duck hunting kind of like when you're in a blind with your with your let's just say you got your buddies from way back and there's five of you and you're sitting there smoking cigars and you know you're you're in the blind together and you're it's very social too drinking coffee it's
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
you know, 15 degrees, coffee, cigar, you know, and everybody's like, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up. And you work the ducks. They light in front of you. You kill them. The dog gets them, brings the duck back. You look at the duck, and you're just like... You just have a big old toke on your cigar and you're like, yeah, this is pretty good shit right here.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, man. You know, the thing about it, when you do, you know, your grain ducks, your ducks that feed on your rice and your corn. You know, like a diver duck that eats essentially minnows. Yeah, you don't want to eat that. And geese, geeser. You find somebody that can cook a goose. You know the story about how to cook a goose?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, you get a big pot and you put a bunch of water and then you put a concrete cinder block in there and you boil the goose and you pull the goose out and eat the cinder block. But some people can make a speckled goose. Speckled bellies are good. But like a mallard and a wood duck. Oh, man, a wood duck with jalapeno and cheese and bacon wrap, which nothing's bad when you do that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Whoever the hell Jesse is. He's a wizard. Well, that's great. He's a real chef. So Ryan Seacrest, he's like, hey, man. Ryan Seacrest, the radio guy? My guy, yeah, at American Idol. And Seacrest goes, hey, I've got a... You need a light? Yeah. He goes, dude, I booked this at EMP, 11 Madison Park. Number one, at the time, number one restaurant in downtown. You know, Adam was...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Ryan was taking me and Katie and Lionel to dinner. And I've never been to certainly the number one restaurant in the world. Well, they take us to tour the kitchen. And, dude, they have ducks, walls. Because all of your French cuisine, really the centerpiece is duck. That's like the duck fat. The ducks are the real big part of French cuisine. Well, dude, I see these…
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I see all these ducks, and I'm like, what are y'all doing here? He goes, man, we're aging them. So they get these. Now, they're getting probably there. They're getting farm-raised, organically grown ducks, and they age them with the guts in them.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, dude, man, I ate duck. But it sketches me out. Yeah. Well, here's the tricky part, because... Dude, I don't even know if I enjoyed my meal because I picked the chef's brain because I wanted to figure out a way to take my mallards and all my ducks I killed and age them properly. But what you do got to worry about is when you shoot them, you know, you're shooting.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The guts are going through kind of in the meat a little bit.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, I haven't got that good where I all headshot them yet, but...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I think it's just above. They're not freezing them. I think it's however you would dry age a cow.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Probably 40 degrees and 13, 15 days with the guts in them.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's the guy that ate the first oyster, right? The guy who drank out of the puddle. Right. Yeah. And, you know, it is fascinating in pheasant. And when you look at pheasant and quail and chuckers and... You know, Hungarian partridge now, you're talking about the end all of wild game, in my opinion, at the top of the... That's what you like the most?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, I think when you look at the pheasants, you know, they call them prairie chickens, and they're beautiful. The meat's a little whiter and less gamier, so...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, you know, they're wild little creatures too, man. You know, when you take your lab sandhill crane hunting, you've got to fit them with goggles. Because they'll poke their eyes out? Yeah. Whoa. And then... I just got in a golf course property down in Florida, and we sold our beach house, and then we're kind of migrating to this place.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I fly down to the tour of the property, and I'm like, dude. what are y'all doing with all these sandhill cranes? And they're like, what do you mean? It's like a golf course guy. And I said, dude, that's the ribeye of the sky, bro. He's like, he looked it up, and you can't shoot sandhill cranes in Florida. What? Somebody call the governor. Everywhere. Really? Everywhere on this property.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Unless they're lying to me because they're scared I'm going to go, like, I'm going to, like, you know, have a psychotic episode and go running out through the golf course with the guns.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You couldn't shoot sandhill cranes. They may be protected in certain counties. But, you know, even in Tennessee, Florida Senate protected under the federal— They're protected under the Federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Wow, they're protected. Well, in Tennessee, we have – in Tennessee, there's a couple guys that guide them, and I think it's a draw tag. You can draw – you can put in to draw a sandhill crane tag, and then, man, they make a very distinct – something like that. And dude, you can hear them and I'll hear them coming over my farm.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, uh, God, if, if that's the wrong noise I just made, I'm going to get, uh, sounds good. I'm going to, you got it. Whoa. I love this guy. I need me one. That's them. Now that's all of them. Yeah. That's you hear that?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Man, oh God, here he goes. Oh, my gosh. This is like the grip. Jamie will find it. Sandhill crane goggles for labs. This is going to be great.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I guess you've seen those dogs in those side cars on the... Motorcycles? On the motorcycles. Probably that rig. But...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
i don't think that's the same yeah that's that's like uh that's an aspen that's two dogs being silly yeah yeah but um the um yeah so in tennessee you you can hire a guy and he'll take you and they'll kind of get them coming in an area and i think you get it oh there it goes oh wow oh that's crazy now those look like i think those are snow geese snow geese are probably the same look at their goggles all scratched up too yeah
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
crane hunt no those are yeah those are sand hills wow that's crazy dogs need to have their eyes protected yeah so when you when you get yeah well you got your golden but man if you get you alive and oh man beware of that because you will get hooked you'll you'll start i'm sure i would be also i love duck duck's delicious oh on the grill marinated in a marinated properly for
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And that's what you've got to watch in all wild game is, man, plan it. Preparation. Get it marinated, and, man, you just can't beat it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
He was – I think he was drunk and hated us on Fourth of July because he stayed up smoking the Boston Bud every night. You know, I remember my dad, man. He had that old charbroil out there, and he'd get up with his vinegar and all his shit, and he would wake up all night, night before the Fourth, and smoke them Buds, man.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But now you just walk out, put that thing on 220 at about 8 p.m., wake up at 8 a.m., and –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, I did two years, 26 shows per year. Dude, man. Vegas will take a little piece of your soul.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, and we're in the heart of it in Texas, you know, right here. I mean, these guys take a damn... Propane tanks. They glue four propane tanks together and have a smokestack. And the guy that – what's our guy that does our charity event? Oh, my God, I can't believe – I'll come up with him. Mark, text me –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
meat church have you met the meat church dude i've met that dude yeah yeah he comes and he's got some awesome rubs he's got all that but then what's funny is yeah he pulled up to our charity event with this big smoker and man i'm like this is like elon musk style engineering on this thing it's pretty you know and man you know they get out there and yeah they'll look at me and you doing tragers and we're that's about like us that's our version of having a tutu on
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
See what I— When I moved to Nashville, being a South Georgia boy, I'd never even heard of brisket. Really? We only knew pork barbecue. So when I moved to Nashville and then there's some dude there with a Texas brisket restaurant in Nashville, I'm like, what are they talking about brisket? And this was 2001 I moved to Nashville. This is how insulated you could be in your own...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, as we talk about the ways of the world changing, I mean, it's like, dude, I lived in a section and everybody, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, they didn't. Brisket was like.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And they're probably cooking, yeah, the preferred cuts of like, which cut of the brisket would you like? Not the old brisket.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, not the ones big as this table, but, you know, about that long. 100-pounder. Yeah. And walk up there on the family reunion, and all the women were grossed out because, you know, you're just pulling the big pig. You know, you can pull that meat off a pig. It's like that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Which you know all the math, and I'm sure you've brought it up on how many sow pigs. They'll kick off 30 pigs a year annually. They can, yeah. And then we would have them roll through our front yard, $30,000 damage a night. Yeah. And for anybody out there listening, if you have this going on, we mounted lights in all the trees around our whole lodge.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And you flip them lights on, and we haven't had one wild hog root up our yard since.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
They will not come around those lights. It's a great tactic.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, and when somebody told him, some good old boy told him, and he was like, man, we'll try anything. You would walk out there, and it looked like 300 landmines went off. And the night before, our yard looked like Augusta.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Man, if, you know, I don't know, you know, my children, I took my boys. And somewhere there's a, you know, I hope he doesn't hear, but there's a Navy SEAL Marine recruiter because my sons are ready for warfare after doing that. I'm like, but, you know, the guy that we took, you know, he's got a big, beautiful high fence.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, you know, if you fly around, man, you can, you know, he has to thin them out every year. Yeah, you have to. But it's so fun doing it out of a helicopter. You don't want to thin them all out because you keep wanting to do it a little bit. Yeah. But you hadn't done that yet?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, you know, the... Our pig stuff in Georgia, man, it's fun because you can go on a deer hunt and shoot some deer with a bow, and then we'll take a rifle, and late in the evening the hogs will come out.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Like thermals. We have guys with the big trap doors that trap them and stuff like that. So, I mean, they're probably the number one – You know, wildlife. I never will forget, you know, right when like maybe iPhones come out and you get your iPhone news updates. And then I never even knew what the magazine like the New Yorker was or like the Guardian and all those things.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, the New Yorker, I'm scrolling through and I see feral pigs. And it was this huge article done by a guy, maybe the editor of the New Yorker. Man, he did a great job with that article and just went through everything. And this was 15 years ago I read that article about, you know, the feral hog problems. And, you know, you would think – I don't know.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I would think the New Yorker leans quite left. But the fact that this guy wrote the article from a perspective of huge problem – Need to be dealt with was a pretty badass take on it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, in Georgia and these swampy deals, you can't helicopter them there. So that's when you get these old boys with their dogs and they run off in the – That'll help.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You think about this. So when I start my high fence, the year that I started it – Our turkey population in Tennessee, which it's been going through hell, and you'll hear this, the turkey population in Tennessee was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. I mean, eastern turkey hunting, one of the most beautiful things in the wildlife that the state of Tennessee has. And
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And night one had over 100 varmints. Coons, possums, armadillos in the traps night one.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, a turkey lays 12... to 14 eggs. Now, listen, I found this out this year. If I can get a couple nuggets that you hadn't learned yet, that's kind of the goal for the day. So a turkey does not lay their eggs all at the same time.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
They lay their eggs one day at a time. They lay it next to a water source. They go to the water source, hold the water in their mouth, drip the water on the eggs periodically, using the water to hatch them at the same time. Because a hen turkey, if she had to hatch, all the eggs hatch at the same time. But if she had to hatch them for 12 days, she could never keep them corralled properly. Oh.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So she manipulates with water. And if I'm wrong... Now, this is a biologist that told me this. I heard this this year. Totally blew my mind. So in the nest, and I've walked up on them, they got 12 or 13 of them sitting there beautifully. And whatever that hen does, she manages those eggs to hatch at the same time. Wow.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And maybe... Now, like a tortoise, I guess, or a beach turtle or whatever, I think they... They spit them all out that night. But a hen turkey does not. Well, so one armadillo rolls by that nest.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
That's a wrap. She just lost them all. And so there was a big study that went on in Tennessee about the decline of the turkey population.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, first of all – well, you know, well, trapping now is so rare. You know, trapping – the art of trapping has gone down quite a bit, and the arm of the – oh, and I'm not even bringing up coyotes in Tennessee, but – So, yeah, if they can loosen up, Tennessee can loosen up their trapping laws and make it more available. And you just got to thin out those.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, armadillos in Tennessee, you would have never. Man, we woke up and we can ride around and shoot 30 a night.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Man, I wouldn't recommend touching them. They say they do, but that's – Do people eat them? I'd never heard of that, but you probably can find somebody. They definitely eat raccoons. They definitely eat raccoons and definitely – I don't know about possums, but if you're eating a possum, your ass is hungry.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
had had several old timers man they'd get them a coon and it was always a kind of a party deal you know what does raccoon taste like i never had i never well we got an old buddy down there he's like you know what bald eagle tastes like owl so i guess you can say raccoon you know i had a buddy of mine tell a game warden that joke it didn't go over well so but uh there's a lot of shit that people eat that people would go what yeah i mean when you're talking about
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I hadn't done that. I've had gator tail, but I hadn't had that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Put the whole thing on there. Yeah. And they skin it and all that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. You know what's crazy in Georgia? There's a place, rural. So all the chicken farms down there, huge chicken farms, all of them. Well, what do you do with the chicken carcasses? Well, I mean, there's a lot. They used to grind them up and feed them back to the chickens. But some of them, well, they feed them to gator farms.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Now, you talk about the most foul smell on the planet. Go into a gator farm warehouse. Joe. Buddy. Just rot. Nothing can replicate. Maybe the Sir Straman Challenge can replicate, you know, the whole Sir Straman joke thing. What's that? You've seen where the guys pop the lid on the Swedish fish? No. Oh, Joe! Sir Straman? What is it? Oh, we did it at our deer camp.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's like an aged sweetest fish that's rotten in a can. It's aged? For years. Like a sardine. And so, yeah, the Sustraman Challenge.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And if you can stay in the room with it... Have you tried it? Dude, no one. No, I was outside 15 yards from it throwing up in the flower bed.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, when you think of Denver and Colorado and the outdoors, man, you've got to appreciate everybody's opinion of, you know, the – I mean, it's a so old term, the granolaist. But it ain't granola no more. I mean, it's –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, they're going to be saying yay when they're down. I don't know, dude.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's no different than the grizzly focusing on humans. Man, I live just south of Nashville. We've got 180 acres. I've got neighborhoods all around us, man. About every now and then, email goes out. Little Fluffy's gone. Coyotes? We put six coyote traps out on my farm one night. Six for six.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And let me tell you what else is a little vicious son of a bitch. A fucking otter. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Otters will fuck you up. Let me tell you, buddy, those things are... I mean, Joe, I'm so... Like I said, my brain is bass fishing and all this stuff. Man, we'll have otters come up into my bass pond. And fuck those bass up. I'm talking about... They're fucking gone, the fish, in three nights.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, the thing about it is, like, all of that... Get to Vegas and, like, you know, you run to the craps table or blackjack table your whole life getting to Vegas. Dude, I got all that. I'm like, I get to Vegas. I'm like, man, let's just sit in the room, watch a little sports. And I got the gambling out of the system.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The fish are gone. And the otters... Eat one and play with the other ones that they kill. Wow. And, like, you go by my lake. Like, I have an all-female bass lake at my house, which this is a whole other fun deal. They will roll through there and eat my all-females and just throw them up on the bank. There's carcasses.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, you get four otters in your pond on a 17-acre lake. They'll eat 20 bass a night. The problem is you don't know you've been got until you've been got. Wow. So, Joe, to grow a 10-pound bass is about $3,000. And think about it. I've been loving on these damn fish. I've been walking out there, making sure they're happy so we can all catch them. And damn, damn, damn, my otters roll.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
with so they're like okay we got to put a stop to this which is too bad because it was fucking it's nice to notice if i was unscrupulous i had a little so i went my whole life no sports betting through college i mean my i through college i'd walk in and my buddies back then they'd spliced 78 tvs together and they're they got all their they got all their notes and i'm like
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So if you have an overflow, a spillway on your farm, and it runs through your farm and dumps into a major river body of water, and that otter swims by that water dumping in that river, He is up that river. He's up that spillway into your lake, and he has got you. Wow. And we'll put traps out, dude. And, man, they just keep coming. Wow. Keep coming. And I'm talking about otter pelts.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, we've got enough where, you know, we've got them skinned out in freezers and rolled up in our freezers. And my farm guys, I mean, I think they're – but, you know, the sad part is the market for that should be an amazing market. But I don't – I think – because everybody's scared to say they got a damn otter pelt.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's weird. But damn otters, man. Them little rascals. You know, they... I'm building a lake at my place in Georgia, and it's right on the Flint River.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's so fun. It's so damn fun. It's four hours of my day.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's totally—and it is not for myself. You can't—my enjoyment is to watch— My buddies, my children's friends come enjoy it too. My sons will bring a buddy home from school. And next thing you know, Tate and his 13-year-old buddy are shooting bows in the front yard all weekend. And this kid, who doesn't have a dad that hunts... Or has the ability.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I got one kid, my Tate's buddy James, his eighth consecutive weekend at my house hunting. Just loving life, shooting bow and arrows.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Got him dialed in. He shot his first doe this weekend. Nice. Just so fun. And so, you know, when you meet these guys, they don't let anybody else enjoy it. I don't like those guys either. Yeah. And, you know, I love to enjoy it with people. But, you know, the bass fishing thing is a blast. But my lake in Georgia is going to be about 35 acres, and I think we'll do an all-female lake down there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You put them in, and they don't have to be pregnant. They just have to have the big eggs, and when they lay them, they just have to have a male not fertilize them. That's right, of course. So if you get a male in there... Then the male – then you have a natural thriving – He'll eat the babies too, though, right? A male – bass will forage on themselves. Yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But male – now, I have three lakes that are naturally – their own ecosystem where we have to, you know, I've got an 82 acre bass Lake that we have to catch 3,500 pounds of bass a year just to keep them from not choking themselves out. Really? Oh yeah. It's 3,500 pounds.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, we have bass roundups, and we get out there, and we catch them, and we'll load up coolers and take them into the little towns and give them to people. I mean, it becomes a problem.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, bluegills... You know, like, all the bluegills at my lake are... We feed them pellet food so they'll get big, so the bass will eat them, so the bass will get big. And you don't want to go eat a bluegill that's been parked under a pellet. Yeah. But...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
A little wild bluegill stream or a little natural creek where I grew up in Georgia, like shell crackers and bluegill that eat like a cricket or that are eating live stuff. You fillet one of them real small creek or river bluegills. Fry them up. Oh, nothing better in the world. And bass is similar to that. Oh, bass. It's a nice flaky white meat.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I'm like, dude, no wonder you got all D's and you're about to get shipped out of college. But I survived all that. And me and a buddy, we started picking two games a week. And we would load up. And this was like six years ago, five years ago. So I would load up like $20,000 a game. But I was strict, and I had my deal. And we'd bet, I mean, just take Alabama and the points in the first half.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Flaky white meat, get you a three or four pound bass, fillet it like a red snapper.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
We spent our whole life, my dad would catch bass, we would fillet them. He'd put them in a Pyrex dish, saute them, bake them, and then broil them on top. And we'd eat largemouth bass, you know. You could either have salmon croquettes that stink up the whole house. Yeah. You know, where you knew your mama was cooking them, or you can have fresh bass, you know, so we grew up.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But isn't it a weird animal, or weird fish, rather, that a lot of people don't eat, but it's good to eat? Well, you know, you wouldn't want everybody fishing your big reservoirs. Like, Texas is the best big bass lake reservoir state in the country. You wouldn't want everybody out there keeping them. You know, you want to practice...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You want to practice catch and release on your big public reservoirs. Right. But, you know, when you've got a private impoundment where, you know, you want to keep your bass because your bass, you'll wake up. Let's just say you've got a nice brand-new bass lake you built, 10 acres. You stock it. You spend 50 grand to put your bluegill, all your fish in there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, you know, then you just don't ever catch them. Well, then in five years, you've lost it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You have to manage it. Yeah, you're done. Your lake's done. Your three-pound bass didn't have enough fish to get to four pounds, and then he missed a year of growing, or she missed a year of growing. And then you just put a $50,000 investment in your bass lake, and then you're out.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. See, I'm not that dude. Now, I'll wait and hunt it. You know, I'm not a... Like, I don't have to have the biggest, best animal my whole life. Like, I don't... You know, some people, they're like... They get into numbers. They're size queens. Yeah. Or score. I'm not that guy. I'm an experienced. Let's have fun. Let's see a lot of animals. Let's catch a lot of fish. Let's keep a lot of action.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know. When my boys were four and five, you don't want to take them out there on their first three bass fishing trips and you burn them in the hot sun and they catch one fish. You want them engaged and get them going. Pike and all that, steelheading, that northwest steelheading. Catching one, man, I don't – that's just – I hadn't done that. I can't do that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Oh, those are the – yeah, those are high on the list of – especially like sea run steelheads. You know, you have some that are kind of locked in, you know, locked in the reservoir locked. But you get those big sea run steelheads, and they really hold them. And they should hold them in high regard. You shouldn't – You need to leave those alone and let them come and go.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I would still say you're in the majority. Yeah. I think that's how it should be.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, you know, and then they make bumper tips on bows. You can doink deer in the ass and run them off. And they're like, why are you doinking a deer in the ass?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. Well, you know, man, listen, dude. I grew up, you know, my little town of Leesburg, man. I mean, every year I got a pellet gun for Christmas. And I got a full...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
camo onesie or a coverall and dude i put my new pair of chippewa hunting boots i put my new set of uh i put my new set of coveralls on with the camo pattern i'd hit the neighborhood walking around with a pellet gun shooting the neighbor squirrels And, you know, we'd eat them every now and then. This little old lady, Mabel Coxwell, we'd skin them and she'd fry them with some wild rice.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It tastes good. If you cook a squirrel and do it right, man, it ain't nothing wrong with a squirrel. Isn't that crazy that most people don't know that? Right.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Instead of chicken and dumplings, squirrel dumplings. You know, you get a squirrel and clean it right and brine it for the night and cook it with dumplings and put some onions and celery and all that and you're off to the races.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, the fact that I could run rampant at nine years old through the neighborhood riding my Honda 50 motorcycle through people's backyards chasing squirrels, and everybody's like, thank you, that damn thing's been in my attic chewing up my Pink Panther insulation for...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You do that. Most of the year, I mean, it was 80%. So we did well. And then my buddy moved away from me, and we quit talking about it. And then I went rogue for like two years. I was betting like Utah State at, you know, the West Coast game, midnight, just throwing bets in. And I was like, man, I'm out. So I stopped.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, and I think, you know, I think it's all true, too. I think the beauty is now the education of, you know, I mean, you look at, you know, you look at how great, you know, carnivore diets are being, you know, I've never done like a big old carnivore. Have you ever done a big carnivore? Oh, yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, you know, like I said, the best thing about what you do here is you give everybody their platform to talk about their way. Yeah. And, you know, your platform is enlightening. I mean, you know, dude, I've never, you know, I was around some dude that was talking about, you know, microdosing mushrooms and all that. Dude, I never saw a drug. I never saw a drug. Until I was 30.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, man, I was 39 years old before I did any tobacco. Really? Never dipped. My dad kept Levi Garrett, Taylor's Pride. The only time he wasn't chewing meant he had a life insurance policy. He had to get blood work and didn't want to fail his life insurance policy. But I was 39. My mom, you know, my mom's a character. She, you know, but never did tobacco, never dipped.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I put one dip in one time and threw up outside my high school. This old boy threw me a dip in and, dude, big old Kodiak, and I threw up outside the high school gymnasium and missed my – fifth and sixth period, and I was like, dude, I don't need that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Oh, you can just, oh, although, and what I was getting at is I was sitting, we were celebrating an album release. I was 39 years old and one of my best buddies. brought a nice Davidoff Churchill cigar. And any cigar I'd ever done, I had smoked a cigar like in Vegas. And most time back then, you know, I done drank a handle of crown and smoked a cigar.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And you wake up the next morning, you're like, you know, your life's over essentially. Well, it's probably the handle of crown. Well, we smoked that cigar and I sat in my rocking chair. And just smoked that cigar. And I was like, man, this is kind of... It's kind of nice. This is kind of like therapy right here.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
They are chilled. They are universally chilled out. But it's a drug. Yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Here's the deal. And I'll call my buddy every now and then. And he was my buddy that bought me the cigar. He was a lifelong Copenhagen and cigarettes here and quitting. And I called him. I'll call him periodically, and I'm like... You asshole. I'm stopping at a grocery. I'm stopping at a random cigar shop.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I've gone four days without a cigar and I'm riding down the road and I determine right now I need one. You know, you weave across four lanes of traffic, find a, you know, and then next thing you know, you're smoking a grocery store. I mean, a gas station cigar to just, but hey, it keeps you, keeps you, keeps the head clean.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Now, my mother, dude, Salem Ultralight 100s, three packs a day.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, listen, my mom, man, dude, she, Joe, she's curbed the beer a little bit, but she'll drink her a couple of duels, but she's going to have her one or two Bud Lights.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Every day. She's going, three packs, but she's like a... You know, it's like if she's walking into the Dillard's or to the TJ Maxx, she's like, oh, my God, I'm walking in. Take a couple of puffs. Take a couple and hit, you know, litter the parking lot. But she'll pan fry a ribeye in butter. Pan fries a ribeye. That's probably what's keeping her alive.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Especially if you've dipped your toe into that world of like... And I've got buddies that do parlays. I'm not even sure I even understand the inner workings of parlays now. And teasers and all that. I'm so removed from that level of sport. So-and-so's going to get four layups at the half. Man, that's opening up Pandora's box there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Pan fries a ribeye, fries some shoestring French fries. And that's her damn meal four to five nights a week for 76 glorious years.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I hope she's probably at a pack and a half. But, man, when you do the math, when I used to sit her down and do math, you know, her and my dad were married 32 years and divorced. And so when she went out kind of on her own, I'd sit her down and do the math on four Bud Lights, two and a half packs of Salem's, and four pan fried ribeyes. That becomes a damn number annually.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know what? But through the years, I've gotten Miller Lite endorsements. I would get Miller Lite. I'd be like, Mama. There's a Miller Lite truck pulling up to your house. It's going to deliver you a pallet of Miller Lite.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Just try to fall in love with Miller Lite. Right. Nope. Bud Lite. I'd get home two months after the pallet got there. There the pallet sits. Calling my buddies.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
He let it go after a while. He did. I love him. He's been a damn good buddy of mine and has come to my charity event. He's a wild boy. He's awesome. I love that dude. He's a lot of fun. He's awesome. But when I saw him do that, I was like...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And then, you know, my wife's dad is a Budweiser fucking 12-pack-a-day dude, man. And, you know, he had to— He had to hear a little shit from his buddies about it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Anheuser-Busch taught us that beer is wonderful for Christmas, and Clydesdales and Dalmatians are the equivalent of Jesus and Christmas.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, I would cry over the Dalmatian Clydesdale commercial. You remember the little puppy?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You're happy. Yeah, and then there's the one where it's the Dalmatian, too, that grew up and then got to the old Dalmatian. And the little, you know, they're riding, and the young Dalmatian sees the old Dalmatian. And I think the old Dalmatian kicks the bucket, and then the new Dalmatian takes its place. And then you're like, oh, my God, it's the best thing ever.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The worst. The dumbest move. Well, you know, when you look at country music, too, I mean, with country music, I mean... It is what it is. There's things that it is. And you've got to love on what it is. And then you've got to grow it, too. I mean, there's sensible ways to grow it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Buddy, with every successful music artist that's ever lived... They may have faked you out, any genre, but country is even... Country's tough. Because once you show any unauthenticity, buddy, you're done. You're done. I can imagine. Like, dude, I mean... Yeah. Like, dude, my biggest... Like, when I... Man, you know, I got... My thing was tight jeans.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Hey, dude, so I saw you at the—I'm a giant Georgia fan. And I saw you, obviously, on the sideline on Saturday and just, man, some of those calls.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You wouldn't imagine me wearing tight jeans on stage how much that pisses people off.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, and then I'm like... Bring back Merle Haggard. What the fuck is this? So, Joe, you know, one thing, you know... My biggest hurdle ever in my career, and it still breaks my heart to this day. My only way to make it in music is you've got to stop people's eyeballs on you. You've got to grab them. Vocally, visually, musically different.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You got to get them to stop for two seconds and go, what is that fucker doing right there? And when I came out with Country Girl Shake It For Me on the CMA shaking my ass, I mean, I had to do it that way. In my opinion, I had to go, this is my moment to show country girls shaking for me and I'm the guy that dances and don't give a damn and let's have some fun and come along for the ride.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And it was amazing. It was amazing. You know, the fact that I'm a Georgia boy at the time and I was talking to Texas people, I was talking to everybody. Well, then at some point a label for me became Bro Country.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
had you ever even heard that term i did i did because of you yeah well so i heard it and i'm like well bro country well then i started seeing the people making fun of bro country and i'm like this is kind of fucking pissing me off and then and then me and some other artists start getting looped into this bro country phase well
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
When I was in my form of coming up as an artist, and I don't even know, we don't have to live on this long, but you'll be amazed, dude. So I would go play. I made my way by going to Georgia and playing Georgia college towns. In the southeast, and even I played Auburn a little bit, Auburn, Alabama.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And that school, I always wanted to break into Auburn and Tuscaloosa because I was always a Georgia artist. Well, I started branching out. Well, dude, I'd get done with a college party. I'd walk off stage. The first thing that would happen... It's, you know, three, six, nine. Damn, she fine. Give it to me. Give it to me one more time. Get low. Get low.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, and right when my set got done, hip hop. the vibe went to a nightclub. And I'm standing... I done walked off the stage, went to the bar, ordered the beer, and watched everybody that just let me play Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash, all the classics, my couple of new songs. And I was like, well, man, this is... Nobody's got a fucking problem with this. We're all together in this good time.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So when I did Country Girl Shake It, for me, that made that tie. Crossover. It combined them. It made it tie to a little bit. And then Jason Aldean had his, she's country girl. Fucking biggest song. When I heard... I mean, at the time when... Jason and I are buddies. He does She's Country. I do Country Goes Shaker. Me and him are like... We're like, this shit... Our lives are...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, I toured with Jason one year, and he broke all of Elvis' indoor records. We did it for two years. I was the opener, and Jason was the headliner. And people and rap was – we were playing rap before the show. And everybody was – well, then Bro Country comes along. Dude, I wake up on the bus one morning, and I got this interview.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
sitting there drinking my coffee in my fucking underwear, and this dude calls me with Hits Magazine, and he goes, well, Luke, you know, man, this bro country thing. And I said, well, hold up, buddy. Here's what this is. And I said, and man, I did this, and I made one fatal error. And at the time, Joe... No one hated my ass. I believe that. I mean, because I was coming to Billy Bob's playing.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, what a weekend for Austin, too. Yeah, it was incredible. Because I had buddies... I had buddies that were like, why are you not coming? And I'm like, man, I've had to be me all year. And it's like the weather's chilly in Nashville. My boys want to go deer hunting. I'm going to take them deer hunting, sit on my back patio and scream at the TV. But it got a little dicey there on the back.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, I had Texas. I had the I had the I had I'd go to I'd go to Bozeman, Montana and play country girl. Shake it for me. I'd go to everywhere. Well, and I said, man, I don't know how to be an outlaw. I'm not an outlaw. I'm a college dude that played frat parties for country music. I fucking did not go sit in a prison cell like Merle Haggard and write songs about guys going to death row.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I didn't go to Folsom Prison. And man, I listed all that. I was like, I'm not like Willie Nelson. I don't do Willie Nelson. They're outlaws. And I said, if it's bro country and that's what I'm labeled as, I said, and where I fucked up, as I said, I haven't spent the night like sleeping on the street. And I didn't say, like Johnny Cash's song, Sunday Morning Coming Down. That's what I meant.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I just didn't tie it. Well, that dude took that article and said, Luke Bryan says outlaw country people are basically... drug addicts that sleep in the street. And, man, I pissed that whole – the way they manipulated that story, I lost that whole crowd right then.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Broke my heart. And, like, I think Waylon Jennings' daughter went real public with being – I mean, she was fucking mad at my ass. And, dude, she went on there going, you know, Luke, my dad never laid – and I never meant that. I just meant – Yeah, Waylon was in there, too.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But we all know what all those guys are because we got to watch all the documentaries about those guys, and we got to be students of those guys. Well, that's the problem with interviews is, first of all, they're trying to get you. Well, your interviews are the beauty.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And no one's gotten popped more than you because they'll take our – man, I hope we sit here and bullshit for three hours, but they'll take your five minutes. Right. Out of context. And now they'll AI you. That's happened a lot. So what happened, man, that thing started growing. And, man, I had motorcycle gangs wanting to burn my house down. Oh, my God. When you get misrepresented in—
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
That type of deal. And then the subcategories of articles, then the article of the article of the article. What year was this? Man, I don't know. It was probably 2012 or 13. So this was when social media was not as impactful. It was becoming... Was YouTube even around then? Yes, and clickbait, the world of clickbait was getting rocking.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So what I did is, man, I called Waylon Jennings' daughter and said, I said, ma'am, I just forgot to say, like the Chris Christopherson song, Sunday Morning Coming Down. That's all I meant by that. And I think she accepted. I called, I text Willie. He sent me the best reply. He goes... He goes, it's okay to step on your dick, just don't stand on it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I called Jesse Colter, and she goes, Luke, what did you mean in the interview? And I told her. And she goes, Waylon stopped doing print interview. But by then, the narrative started. And since then, I can always tell that if that one little thing, I probably would have kept that whole base going. And then the, oh my God, he wears tight jeans and he must homosexual on the side.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So my album came out. I worked on an album for three years. It's called Mind of a Country Boy, and I put it out like 1st of October. And I didn't want to put the damn album out. Because the reality is I'm not at the height. Every artist hits their peak. You know it. I mean, I sold out. I was selling out football stadiums first day. Three or four years I did it. I know that's my peak probably.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I know it is. Fuck, I'm not going to even say probably. I'm a realist. Well, so we put the album out, and I said, you know what? No albums sell well. Nothing sells anymore. So I knew there was going to be a negative take on the album. I knew something negative would come by me putting the album out based on it may not sell. And it sold what it did. It did what I thought it'd do.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Nothing's buying. Well, dude, I did 20, 40. I did 40 hours of 40 hours of, you know, all the stuff.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Because the editor's ass is about to get canned. Yeah, exactly. Because his company just got bought by a big conglomerate. Exactly. That's why artists should just stay away from that shit. Well, and you do, and I knew it. What sucks...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know the deal. I mean, I grew up in South Georgia. And, you know, we've raised our dang kids like colorblind. It's so awesome. I'm so proud of their colorblindness.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I got to shoot the cannon. Boom. Did you shoot it through the Georgia shirt, that one? Yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I've been doing it for nine damn years. And I have cried with everybody. When those kids come in, they are – everybody walking through that door is a microcosm of America. And, man, I've sat there and loved and loved and learned.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Nothing is more amazing. amazing than watching a broken kid that's been told they're not good. And they come from everywhere. Man, the craziest thing is the kids that were raised in the homes of doctors. that the doctor family can't wrap their head around my child wanting to go try this fucking music thing. What? We're doctors. We're doctors.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, man, when they branch out and the family gets behind them and then they go and follow their dreams, and, man, it's really – Yeah, he doesn't get old. I mean, listen, I mean, it's a fun chair to be in. It's a fun chair to be in because that door opens and it's a life that comes in and you don't know what the hell...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
We have a note or two like, just lost their father to cancer three months ago from a small town. But other than that, man, we don't know what they're going to do and how they're going to react. And it's pretty cool. I mean, you know, when I just moved to Nashville when American Idol was... I mean, 40 million viewers a week.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Did you used to gamble a lot? You know, I've always been, I've never been a sports gambler. My dad, my... But my dad raised me to kind of be a poker player kind of kid. He was like a – I mean, I used to joke, if my dad didn't play poker, we'd have never had Santa Claus. I mean, he was just a crazy little poker player and like a little pool hustler. And then – Oh, so he was all in.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And the, you know, the tone in Nashville is that's the cheap route to get famous. Because I came up through, you got to play a thousand nightclubs. You got to go, you got to go through, you got to meet the record labels. You got to do the radio. You got to go meet everybody at radio. So the whole town of Nashville was like, well, it's not totally fair that they get to just pop on TV. And, and,
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
insert you know and and skip all the but now i mean now all that's gone which is great well here's an example oliver anthony totally oliver anthony has one song he releases it's the most pull up that song because this fucking song this dude when i release it it's just a camera and him with his guitar i heard it
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, man, it was a good win for Georgia. And like I said, both those programs are just so incredible.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I was like, holy shit, that's fucking amazing, and holy shit, that guy better have some songs to come behind it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, and God, you know, the beauty of... Idol is, and guys like this, there's so many avenues now. You can go the old-fashioned route. You can go the quick route. You can go the idol route. You can go stream on, you know, you can go video yourself on all your social platforms and the right song can blow you up. And then you got to go do the real work.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And that's what we tell the kids. You've got to have other bullets in your chamber. That's what we tell the kids on Idol now. I think when Idol was really, really, obviously, when Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood won and even people after that, they went their ass to work, too. It's an insane opportunity. It's insane.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Through the years, Kirby and I have gotten to be – Pretty good buddies. Kirby can't be buddies with anybody because that job requires – I've never seen a requirement of a job more than being a college. It's probably like being a president. It is. And so I don't text Kirby during the season, really.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, you know, these kids on Idol now, they love seeing their social media platforms change. Go up a thousand percent and it's worth it. And, you know, we you know, and there's going to be bumps in the road. And it's you know, it's still you know, it's still you know, there's going to be a, you know, a group of people saying, you know, American Idol may exploit these kids.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Man, I'm in the back – I'm behind the scenes on everything, and, man, we won't – you know, they won't – when we get a kid that we love, man, we sit around, we go to dinner, and we talk about that kid and love them. And I think, you know, these kids –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
leave it going man that was a great experience for them i hope so but you know i'm sure they do and it is an insane opportunity if you want to be a professional musician and you want to make a career out of it it's one of the most unbelievable moments you got to do your path yeah you got my path was my path and it was unique to mine and because yours is different that don't mean i need to hate you for it there's a lot of that shit with comedians today too
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It is a new world. Why wouldn't we all want someone else to win? Right. What is wrong... What's wrong with people winning? It's like you have figured out how to feed yourself with a guitar.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And make a living. And... And you know, all like, man, like I said, dude, I won't even post my damn deer I killed. Because I don't want to get online and be there with a glass of wine at 3 a.m. and start motherfucking people. Like, dude, I want to kill them. And like I said, you get over it, you get over it, but man, it pisses you off.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Not the positive comments, but the negative comments. I started a thing, you know, and I know you've got people in your world where... man, you know, there's assholes and you'll huddle up and you'll spend an hour talking about how you can't believe how big an asshole that person is. Yeah. And I'm like, guys, we're 15 minutes in on talking about this person being an asshole.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
We wasted 15 minutes on us trying to figure out why can't they stop being an asshole?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I know he – man, just watching what those guys go through trying to manage these big programs like that. I mean, and when they're not coaching, I mean, dude, they are politicking – I mean, they got to go to the steak supper for this touchdown club here. So, man, it's a wild ride what those dudes go through.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I've gotten conscious where when I see other buddies doing it, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Get out of there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So my wife, for her 40th birthday, man, I surprised her and I rented her. Never done anything. We rented like a 120-foot boat and took all our college friends down to St. Bart's for New Year's. Have you ever heard of this scene?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Joe, so first of all, I mean, this boat that we got is a 120-foot Westport. Beautiful. We get the same boat.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And it's in St. Barts, and they all float there for New Year's.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude. And my captain of that little boat, which that boat looked like... Our boat that we were on looked like their shuttle boats. Right. And my captain, I said, did you ever pilot one of those? He goes, oh, yeah. I said, what were they doing on there? He goes, looking at the other boats, wondering. Yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
fucking billion dollar yacht and pissed at the other billion dollar yacht yeah that's real they're all in competition with each other and they're all hating you know and and i'm entering in yeah you just got to get your little world like my little world now tight my little tennessee hunting world i tell people all the time they're like come on down to my ranch oh man i got i got my little deal yeah it's enough stay sane
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, you know, I remember dreaming. Did you lay in bed and just be like, I remember dreaming about trying to do it and how I was going to go. Are you going to get rich? How am I going to get? I wouldn't say rich. How am I going to be able to have my own bass pond?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Because I would have to call other people and get permission.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Going, hey, you know, Farmer Johnson, can I go fish your bass lake? I don't know, Luke. Not today. I'd be like... And so I remember doing that. And then when you start achieving it, man, I still, I mean, I don't think I'm living in that world of like the other digging. You know, I think you can for a minute. Yeah. I think you can for a little bit.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
See, I'm out of that. And I didn't really get into that heavily even when I was betting regular games. But, man, it's freedom. Man, I just watch the games with freedom, and I don't get in, you know.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
She might be making it up, but she might be telling the truth, which makes sense, where you're like, your whole world is like, what is life? I'm going to die real soon, and they can't fix this, and you're just, the car's fucking up, and you don't even care. That could be it. The patch is open. You don't even care.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I'm not against someone doing those. That's like Anthony Jesselman.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He has a shit ton of jokes like that. Of course, yeah. They're great. People enjoy it. It's not bad. It's not bad comedy. It's like, but... At least with a guy like Jeselnik, you should know what you're getting into. And don't try to pretend there's something wrong with what he's saying, but all these other people don't have a problem with it.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's why it's so dangerous. But the only way they're going to find out that's the kind of stuff you do is if you take those risks and do that kind of stuff and get in trouble.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But you also, you got in, I think... The filming thing is fucking strange, right? Because some people want to get filmed because you can get some clips like interacting with the audience. Right. But it's like you have to have an opportunity to work out stuff.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Because there's times when you're on stage and you're saying things and you have a new bit and you don't know where you're taking it while you're taking it.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, obviously he's an audience member that released it, but the comics that criticized him, like, hey man, fuck...
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
you like you pretend first of all the guy didn't do comedy for 10 months yeah and then second the stuff that he was saying if you know him and you know his act and i guarantee you fucking do because a lot of those people are just haters yeah if you know him you know given enough time he would make that horrible premise really fucking funny frankly it was pretty funny then pretty funny then
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I mean, it's horrible that he's saying, like, push the fat kid in front of you. But that's funny. But you don't think there would be layers upon layers that would make that joke brilliant in a year if you just let him do it? And you learn the cushions. Like, he didn't have the cushions.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right, exactly. And if you understand how jokes are developed.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
There's too many people that got into it from something else, and they did stand up in the beginning, and then they got into it again. They considered themselves stand-ups. And then they'll come out and criticize something like this. And you go, just shut the fuck up, man. You're not even doing it right. Yeah, you're not.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You're not even doing it right. You saying that this is bad, come on, man. This is how everybody creates material.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
except for all your listeners it's like you've got to have a place where you can fuck around and that's the problem with like filming all the time because there's there's things that like you'll start a bit off when you first start writing it and start making it it's like it's so different than when it finishes you've got to be able to find that and not have people see it yeah not have people see it because it's you know comedy is like you want people to see the finished product but it's embarrassing until then you're
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, it's fun to watch as an audience member, though. One of my favorite things is watching a bit develop.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Watching someone come up with an initial premise, and maybe they come in the green room. We're all brainstorming and trying to figure out what part is, where is it going to get clunky?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Because some people are rigid. And this is a problem that open micers have in beginning comics is they started doing a bit a very certain way. So they're kind of comfortable saying it that way. And they're uncomfortable on stage already. Right. So they keep saying it the same way. That's the death of comedy.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I know what you're saying. I think what you're saying is that it has to be real in your mind at that moment. You can't be just reading a script.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Why? What is upsetting you or making you laugh hysterically about the subject?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
If you talk to Bill in the green room, that's the same guy. Yeah, if I fucking told him.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He's just psychotic. You can call him right now. Bring up something that annoys. Listen to you, you fuck. You know what my favorite is? When he's on a podcast with someone and they take themselves seriously. Like he was on with Bill Maher and he was just chewing Bill Maher up. And then he was on Charlamagne Tha God and he was chewing him up. I love it. I love it. He's the best at that.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He has a unique talent for it. A unique talent for anything he's talking about. It's just being himself.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. It's so interesting to see how so many people do it differently, but we all have something in common. And I think one thing that everybody has in common is the best ones are really thinking about what they're talking about.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, I have to bail on bits when I'm bored with them. I know, because you're like, I don't really care about this.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
People are like, yeah, there's something there. I'm like, I know, but right now I don't give a fuck about it, so I have to leave it alone for a little bit. If you don't give a fuck about it, they can tell. Yeah, there were some bits that killed when I first started doing them, and then they got a little flat, and I was like, what is going on here? Oh, I don't care anymore.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's also I didn't find out whatever it is in the bit that makes it a great bit. Right. You know, sometimes you just can't find a thing that elevates it from an eight. It stays at an eight. Exactly. It never hits a ten. Sometimes you've got to trim. Sometimes you keep them in. If they make a point, if they're like,
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
bizarrely ironic or there's something about it where you're like, it's worth it, even though it's not the funniest joke. It's worth it because of Little Hills and Valleys.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, yeah, with an hour. But sometimes you just got to set it aside and then sometimes I'll come back to it. You know, I have like a whole folder that I call Orphaned Babies and it's all bits that never made it on anything. That's great to keep a record.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I forget them sometimes or a friend brings them up. What about the hyena thing? I'm like, I fucking forgot that.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Exactly, right, to keep the bits together so they're coherent sometimes. But in my head, I'm like, ugh. I think everybody should have a folder that they just put on. Everybody should write. I mean, I know everybody likes to write on stage, and I get it, and there's some of the greats that write on stage.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Go over my shit. Yeah, like with a fine-tooth comb So I wound up writing out all my bits that I've done hundreds of times write them out Exactly word for word just drill it into my head and then I was preparing for this. I was like I Should probably be doing this all the time I should probably be doing, not just when I'm getting ready for a special, but I should probably be doing comedy this way.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I know. It's like, it's funny. We have our own schedule. We get to govern ourselves, which is not always the best thing. Yeah. Because if we were like a prodigy and, you know, you were a violin coach, I'd make you practice all day, bitch.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I have a bunch of friends that just keep things in their head. And, you know, like Duncan, I'm pretty sure he released this bit so I could say, he might not have. Fuck. But he's got a great bit about Adderall.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
No, but I don't know. I think he recorded a special, but I don't know if it's on, so I don't want to say it. But he's got this great Adderall bit. He totally forgot about it. I said, do you remember that?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Advice, as long as it's not rigid, is really good. Because you really can't tell people how to do things.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I got a lot of terrible advice when I first started out. What's a good advice? Good advice is write a lot, listen to your recordings. That was one thing, this guy Mike Donovan. I got real lucky that I started out in Boston in the 80s, and there was all these local headliners that were awesome. I mean, world class, but they were local, and they stayed local.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And one of them was this guy, Mike Donovan. And Mike Donovan, he always had a, this is back in the day when you had cassette recorders that were big, like a fucking box of cigars. And he would sit it on the thing and press record when he went on stage. He goes, you never know. He goes, you might have a new tagline in that moment. That's crazy. And then you'll forget about it if you don't listen.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And that was some of the best advice I'd ever heard.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He was just a smart dude. And he just figured out that you got to do that.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, you've got to analyze yourself like a hater.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Because imagine someone like Bill Burr trying to give advice to Mitch Hedberg.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I mean, at a certain point in time. I've been thinking about doing this for quite a while now. We've talked about it. I think we're going to do it. And what I want to do is have, outside of podcasts, to just have an interview with headliners when they come into town. And tell me about what happened. Tell me about your journey. What was your first open mic? Wow. What was it like? How'd you feel?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
How'd you get started? Did someone influence you? Did someone ask you to do it? I love it. What were your first road gigs? Just, not a podcast where, like, it'd be me talking about my stories, but just, like, I always want to know 100% an interview.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
A conversation, but an interview. And just, you know, so that it's archived for comics. Because you remember, like, when you were starting, I mean, 17 years ago, right? Yeah. You could get a couple of books. There was a few books.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Richard Belzer had a book on stand-up, but it was kind of like tongue-in-cheek. Right, right. The Comedy Bible for that woman.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But there was nothing written by anybody who was really good. No. So that was part of the problem. Belzer was good, but nothing written by like a George Carlin or Richard Pryor or Lenny Bruce.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, we thought about doing that at the store back in the day. We were talking about doing comedy classes where a comic, like a headliner, would come in. And I know Ari did this quite a few times. Ari did it in Phoenix when I was there. He set up a seminar for free for all the local comics. Told them, this is how you get a manager. This is how you get an agent. This is how you get stage time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
This is what you should do to organize your set. And fucking amazing resource for free. He did it for like two and a half hours. So Ari was doing that for a while, but there's nothing like that for comics coming up. Everybody has to learn from the people at the clubs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Because if you could start out now, and you can go on YouTube, first of all, you have access to everything. Red Fox, Rodney Changerfield, fucking everything that's ever been is online. Lenny Bruce, you watch Lenny Bruce recordings right now. It was impossible to find that shit when we started.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, the thing about Lenny was no one had ever talked like that publicly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So this was a totally unique thing that you have to take in the context of 1963.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The whole world changed the way they think about things and then talking about things openly the way he did became normal. So he's doing normal things to us.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like The Wizard of Oz. Yeah. The Wizard of Oz was monumental when it came out. It was something that everybody saw. It was one movie that you would guarantee everybody you talked to had seen The Wizard of Oz.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, that makes sense. Like, what the fuck is that stuff they put on his skin? There's no regulation back then. They're just like, let's try this. Also, they had just got done with, like, think about, that was like thalidomide babies back then, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Or that was actually later. Thalidomide babies, wasn't that like in the 60s? but they had the girls that developed cancer because they were using the loom for the watches. Right, right, right. So that radio, what was that called?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Radium girls, yeah. It was horrific. Holes in their face and shit. Their tongues would rot out of their mouths. It was zero. Nobody told them anything because they would lick the tip of their brush because they were doing these very delicate loom dials on watches.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But isn't it kind of like watching tape and listening to tape as a comic? Because you don't know how bad you suck until you see it. And people didn't know how bad that kind of behavior was until you see it. Go to watch the old James Cagney movies. He'd smack his girlfriend right in the face. And he was the hero. And then they'd kiss each other.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
the problematic parts i just find them like really funny you ever see the one where it's like an old western and the guy is spanking his wife and the kid comes along and says uh do you like i know why you're spanking mommy it's because you love her and then he's like that's right son it's so nuts like the woman is over the guy's knees and he's spanking her that's it's out of love you know that's
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But this is like something that someone thought you could pass off in a movie. I mean, that's how confused we were about narratives and about reality. Well, every 80s movie, people are like, you got to watch this. Here it is.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's awful. This is not the one where the guy, the wife... I mean, he's beating her with a piece of metal, and what a great show. Oh, my God. What a great movie.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, normal. Beat her with a weapon. Don't use your hand. What if your hand gets hurt?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And he spanks her, too. So he's carrying her away. Look, he's spanking her in front of everybody. Look at them watching. This is so crazy. That's insane. Not just spanking, but spanking in public. Not just, like, he's holding her up in the air while he's spanking her.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They both have black eyes. And he's got his arm around her. Oh, sweetie, I got the job. What the fuck is that movie about? We just look evil when we look back in the past. And we're just like, slap, spanker, spanker. And by the way, they thought they were so sophisticated because they were comparing themselves to fucking cave people. Of course, yeah. Well, we change. We move at our own pace.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right. And so we had to look at the cave painting and go, that is kind of fucked up that you stabbed that guy with a spear. I remember that. It goes from that to movies and plays, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, that was the whole thing about them doing it in Latin, right? Nobody could speak Latin. So they could tell them whatever. They'd take the priest's word for it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think there was a lot of that going on. That's why everybody wanted to kill Martin Luther.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The priest is like, kid, it's saying to suck my dick right now. Isn't it nuts? Isn't it nuts that that is kind of a dead language? Like, you can still learn Latin, but nobody speaks Latin.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Forget that demographic. Oh, yeah, those folks. Well, they usually talk in tongues. They're not even doing Latin. They're going... They throw it a little.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's because you're younger than me. I know. When I was a boy, that movie was fucking terrifying. I saw that movie, I was real young. Like, I probably shouldn't have been able to see it. Like, what year did that movie come out?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I saw that movie when I was six. Yeah, my parents let me see all the scary movies.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
She said some wild shit while she was doing it too. Like, fuck my cunt. Fuck my cunt.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You want to talk about someone that got fucked up from doing a movie. She got really fucked up from doing these. Imagine, okay, you're a young girl and you are literally playing the devil. Everybody knows you. You're famous now. And you're famous for being the fucking devil. That's insane. So everywhere you go, people are scared of you. Ah!
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Suck cocks in hell. Jesus Christ. You probably never heard the end of it. And that was another movie that everybody saw.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I get it, but I think it's because we are living in 2024. We're heathens now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Disturbing. And now it's South Park. Yeah, it's totally normal. Now they're sticking things up their butts in cartoons. Yeah, it's totally normal now. And that's, again, it's like going back to listen to Lenny Bruce stuff and then trying to listen to it. He had one joke that comics inadvertently stole because they didn't realize that they were stealing it. Because it was so brilliant.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But it was when homosexuality was illegal back then. And he goes, being gay is illegal, dig? What do they do when they catch you? They put you in jail with a bunch of guys who want to have sex with you. This is a great joke. He has great jokes. It's just... You don't... If you went back in time to the 1950s and talked to people, they would think you were a fucking alien. Like, who is this guy?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, well, New York City cold showers in the winter are brutal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like, I don't think Anthony Jeselnik is really offensive.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like, it's a style of comedy. His style of comedy was condescending, I'm smarter than you, and here's some amazing points about life. And so I liked it. I like that. Hicks, you mean? Yeah, Hicks. Like when Hicks would talk about things, he would talk about things like, you know, everybody's stupid. Like this is why. Right. And I'm telling you how it should be.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And that's what people didn't like about it. But that was also a great way to get some of those points across. Like, there were some points that that's really kind of the only way, if you want to deliver it the way he does it, it's really kind of the only way you can do it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, he had... brilliant shit about the war. They have sophisticated weapons. How do you know? We check the receipts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
When I was a kid, when I used to do martial arts, there was this dude I used to work out with named Bob Caffarella, and he was like a real psycho. And Bob used to always take cold showers. He said it was good for the spirit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Well, he definitely changed a lot of people's idea of comedy because he made it kind of interesting for the first time. He had interesting subjects.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Do you remember that bit? Yeah, I do. I kind of remember it. But I remember the story. These kids threw pine cones at a tiger, and the tigers can jump 14 feet in a 12-foot cage. They didn't even put a roof on it.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I would have given everything to see the look on their face when that thing touched the top of the bars. Yeah, they were like. When the paws hit the bars and the body starts going over, the flood of chemicals that must go into your mind.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Off the charts. That's a high. Probably like nothing else you'll ever experience in life. That's like a cold plunge times 10,000. Well, it's like undeniable. You're dying right now. It's coming for you. It's a 600-pound super predator.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
One could survive. I think the kid who threw the pine cones unfortunately survived. I think his buddy got taken out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think his buddy went to help him. Oh, my God. I don't know the whole story. I mean, who knows? It was probably just chaos.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And we would all be sitting around going, what the fuck is wrong with him? This guy's in the shower. It was January in Boston, and this guy's in the shower just fucking freezing hot.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
If you have a monster in the city, in a box, put a fucking roof on the box.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Also, how expensive is it to put a roof on? Is it that expensive? I think they want to make it feel like it's free. Fuck that. It's not free. No, yeah. They shouldn't be there. I don't agree with zoos at all. You don't like zoos? No.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I'm a hypocrite because I took my kids to them because I want my kids to be able to see these animals because it's kind of cool to see a two-year-old staring at a hippo.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But the reality is they're prisons. They're prisons for animals that didn't do anything wrong.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They're not all getting killed. They're doing some killing too, which is also unnatural that you just feed these things that live to kill.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's definitely bad. Well, I used to have a joke about that, too, about the only animal that I don't feel bad about in the zoo is giraffes. They're having a great time. They don't seem to have any problem with it at all. Like, another day with no lions.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, as long as they have a big enough enclosure and they can walk around, they don't seem to have any problem with it. Yeah, it sucks for the predators because they can't hunt.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
suckers yeah they uh they're kind of cruel with that put them in different places well you shouldn't put them there at all yeah it's great the whole thing's crazy yeah i get it does protect some endangered species but boy i think if we really care about animals we should put a lot more money into it and there should be a lot larger spaces and it shouldn't be anything remotely resembling a zoo
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The way they do it in Africa is the way to do it. If you really want to go see an animal, you should go on a fucking safari and drive through these areas where they're They're killing gazelles, and they're doing normal lion shit. This is a normal lion in a lion environment, and you drive through it, and it's probably dangerous as shit. Yeah. And keep your fucking windows rolled.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You know that lady from the Game of Thrones, one of the video editors from the Game of Thrones got killed by a lion in one of those parks. In the safari? She rolled her window down, and she was leaning out to take a photo or something. The cat reached in and grabbed her. Oh, my God.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Lock the fucking door, man. Imagine a little skinny-ass piece of window that you could put your head through easy, and there's a lion right outside of it. He could put his head through it easily. He doesn't know, but if he just fucking smashes his head, it'll go right through that thing. He's a lion.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, they didn't have the proper height fence. Yeah, yeah. Not only did they not have a roof on it, the fence was two feet shy of what a tiger can jump over.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right, because your body's trying to protect you from dying.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Leaping over a three-foot wall and out of its enclosure. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't think that's correct. I'm almost positive that it was 14 feet long. Oh, the wall was 1.2 meters, four feet shorter than the recommended minimum.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think it was 12 feet. That'd be hilarious if it was actually three feet. And they're like, whoa, what's the problem? That's crazy that it's four foot shy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Doesn't mean they deserve to die. Three-foot wall. That's so crazy. I could jump a three-foot wall. Yeah. That's not real. I could try. There's no way. I could get you on the third try. Yeah, you could probably at least get over the top of it. There's no way. There's no way. That's this tall? That's crazy. That would be hilarious. They just made it three feet.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It really is, though. It's norepinephrine. That's the big one. Dopamine kicks up. Everything. And it lasts for hours. That's what I tell people, even though they don't want to do it. I'm like, I know it sucks. I don't think it's good. I don't get in and go, this is amazing. I'm the best. I get in and I go, Jesus Christ, just keep it together. And I just try to stay calm.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Bro, that's pretty high. It says, oh, the new glass wall makes it 19 feet. The current wall used to be 12 feet. So that's where it was, and the tiger jumped over that. And now they gave him an extra five feet. Fuck that place.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Did they say the tiger jumped from the bottom or the tiger jumped from that top part?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They know exactly what happened. There was eyewitnesses. People saw it happen. Also, who could have helped it? Yeah. So that's what it looked like?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, my God. Imagine that thing coming over the top of that. So that's the three-foot fence, I think, that they were saying. Exactly.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
No, it could be over there. They could throw it over the ridge. You think it got all the way to the... Yeah. Yeah, you could throw it that far. That's not that far.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
No. That's not far. No, no. That looks like 15 yards max. Let me see that again. Let me see that photo again. Yeah, that doesn't look that far, dude. It's a big jump, though. I guess you can throw a pine cone. It's probably a big jump for a cat. I don't know if he made the jump. I think he made the jump from the bottom.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't know. What I had heard was the thing was over there. They were continuing to throw things at it, and it came towards them and jumped over the wall, which only makes sense.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Hmm. Well, maybe they didn't release the whole story until 2011. Yeah, there it is. Okay. So the lawsuit. Yeah, they should fucking sue for sure. I mean, definitely you shouldn't throw pine cones at tigers. They don't deserve to die. You're a fucking kid. You're a dumbass kid. That could have been us. If we were both 17 and I'd go, I dare you to throw a pine cone.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's just a pine cone. From the bottom of the moat. To the dry moat to the top of the wall. Wow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
From the bottom of the dry moat. So they got into the bottom of, yeah, like I thought.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But I know when I get out, I'm going to feel great for hours.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Also, why don't you have guards to make sure that someone doesn't do something like that? The tiger can't get out as long as the tiger's chill. Wow, followed someone's blood trail for about 300 yards where it resumed attacks. Oh, my God. Photos show blood-smeared asphalt where the tiger apparently dragged Sosa's body. It found the blood trail.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The tiger would leave a kill to go after something else unless it were a compelling reason. Oh, my God, another victim blaming. The tiger passed exhibits with warthogs, which it ignored as it followed the blood trail of the two brothers to the Terrace Cafe outside the dining area.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Also, what if it killed some old lady who was just there with her niece? Yeah. You know, showing her around. And what if, you know, who the fuck knows what could have happened? You're just guessing. And it didn't even kill the guy. It killed the other guy. I don't know who it killed. Now I'm saying that, I'm trying to remember.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Who was the one that threw the pine cones? Were they all throwing them?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It sucks that they know that that tiger was like- Maybe they were all throwing pine cones. Maybe I heard the story wrong.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's whoever the fuck is closest. Yeah, yeah. Who's closest? Who's going to get taken out first? This thing has never had a chance to take out anything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I mean, the whole reason they exist is they are the cleanup crew for nature. Anything that has a limp, anything that does something stupid, you go walking through the thick grass, that's a wrap. That's what they're there for. They're there for overpopulation because they exist around deer. Yeah, of course. They exist around a very specific kind of deer. It's called an axis deer.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And these deer move like lightning, dude. Yeah. You ever seen an axis deer? No, I don't think so. They fucking, they take off like it's crazy because they evolved around tigers. Right. So they just explode away so fast.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
No? They're so big. They're too dangerous. You could get a broken jaw, broken leg. They stomp your head. You're dead.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That would kind of suck. Reported that her claws were not frayed, suggesting that she made the 12-foot, 9-inch leap on her first attempt. Oh, my God. God. Dr. Dunker also reported that there was no disease or signs of trauma on the body other than bullet wounds for the cat. Jesus Christ. Do you know there's one specific tribe of lions in Africa that does hunt water buffalo?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Because they get stranded on an island? Yeah. Oh, wow. The currents changed to this river, and these lions got stranded on this island that only has water buffalo. Oh, wow. And so the female lions evolved to become much larger than normal female lions. They look like hulk lions. It's crazy. It's called relentless enemies. Because they're the hunters, the females, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yes, the females are the hunters. So they got as big as male lions. Wow. So the female hunters, they're jacked, too. Like, they look freakish because they have to take out water buffalo all the time.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. I wouldn't recommend doing it for 10 minutes the first time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, I have seen that. Crocodiles are the ultimate cleanup crew. Yeah, you see if you can find that relentless enemies thing because you should get to see what these females lions looked like We always get in trouble right just show to us because these female lions they don't even look real they look like CGI lions They're super jacked.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. But kudos to you for doing it. It's fucking hard to do 10 minutes.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They're the hunters But this this documented relentless and it seemed to find one of the images of the jack Look at what she's built like she's she's built like a male. Oh That's insane.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's a great documentary, though. Because it's just about nature adapting. Right. Look at the size of her. Oh, my God. They're so much bigger. And, you know, they have to be because these fucking things are ruthless. I mean, water buffalo are huge.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And they're tough as shit. You can hang off them with their claws and they don't even notice it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
What is that about? Yeah, lock that shit up. What is that about? They just haven't figured out yet that they can get you?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Bro, I want to be in an Iron Man suit with a chain mail gun. Yeah. One of those chain gun. I do not want to be.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The video is the only thing recording? Yeah. Can we keep going, or should we stop?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Okay, we'll take a little pee break. We'll come back, ladies and gentlemen and non-binary folk. Now we're up. Oh, we were just about to complain about the government or whoever it is.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I feel privileged. Is it a brownout? Is this one of them brownouts?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Texas has its own grid, which is great until it's not.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, it got real close. Apparently during the cold front, it got real close. They were like 30 minutes away from losing the whole grid.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That was the first year we lived here. No one knows how to drive in the snow. It was hilarious. Yeah, I remember that. People with Corvettes spinning around intersections.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. You got to have some water, folks. Keep some water in your house. It's a good move. If you're in a place that happens like that. So if this happens in Boston, they know how to deal with snowy roads. They fix things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like, hey, guys, I've been here twice and it snowed. How about buy a fucking plow? Have one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's funny if you grew up in a place like I grew up in Boston, which is like snow is just normal. It's just normal. It's part of up snowing out. Did you even have like did school ever close?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It happened every time. We did have them. We did have snow days because it did fucking snow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But in places like there, if it's just snowing a little, they let you go to school.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, if you could get that in a pill, it would be a very popular pill. I know. People would be taking it all day long.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You had a day off. I think I learned more in snow days than I did in any other day.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like, please, I can stay home and watch cartoons, please. It was no greater joy than a snow day. Oh, it was wonderful. And now the snow sucks. You hate it. Someone should redesign school. School's terrible. Yeah. It's just the whole design of getting kids to sit down all day. It's fucking terrible.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Tired and bored. Yeah. And this shows this thing you're doing in front of me sucks. I got back to the Adderall thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
What did you start off with? How much were you taking in the beginning?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. This is better for your brain because there's a thing, there's a part in your brain, Andrew Huberman has talked about this, I forget what it's actually called, but there's a part of your brain that actually grows when you force yourself into do difficult things. Like say if you're a person who likes to run and you force yourself, I'm going to run five miles every morning for 60 days.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So you started off with 30s. Yeah. Did you start taking it every day or? Yeah. Right away?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So it was FDA approved. So you did listen to a psychiatrist. I did listen. She is a doctor.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So what did you, you said you were up to 90 a day. So how'd you wean?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So were you completely functional when you were on it, or were you out of your mind?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And you're a lot of work. It's actually a perk. Yeah, exactly. It's actually a plus.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, I mean, that's why they were prescribing it to people back in the day when they first came up with it, like in Nazi Germany. Even before they were giving it to the Nazis, you could buy that. What was it called? What is it called? Pervitin? Pervitin. Pervitin?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's the Hitler speed? Well, it was the for sale version of methamphetamine that you could buy at drugstores. Yeah. And people would just take it. It was like a low dose. It's essentially just like, that's it right there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
kind of real similar to Adderall in a lot of ways but it was a you know it was methamphetamine oh right and you just could take it this is like over the counter right yeah back when they had like heroin look at that methamphetamine hydrochloride
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So it was a small dose, and people would take it all day long, and it gave them all this energy to get things done. I mean, think about the engineering that was coming out of Germany at the same time. Yeah. Kind of nuts, man. They were focused. They were fucking dialed in.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Yeah. If he wasn't on it, he probably wouldn't have killed as many people. Well, if he wasn't on everything. He was on oxycodone, and they were giving him all these crazy animal hormones. He was having them remove animal organs, and they were injecting glands into Hitler's body. He was like, they were practicing on it.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. This is my Fred Cam. I'm trying to imagine myself running. I have a buddy of mine that was doing a marathon every day. Oh, really? Yeah. He's a psycho. He does these ultra marathons. Oh, my God. Where they run for three days. He does- It's like Forrest Gump.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, that's why I was confused, too, because I had always heard that it was meth. Because I knew that there was meth use, and I knew that Hitler liked cocaine, and they used to shoot him up with testosterone, too.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Bro, he was on like 90 pills a day. He did so much, they think it's part of the reason why he went deaf. Really? Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, there's actually a thing that happens when you overdose on opiates. You take too much opiates, it fries your fucking ears.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think who you are at your core, why you operate in life... Whatever you're taking, whether it's alcohol or pot or whatever, it only enhances that, who you are at your core. So if you're like an evil person deep down, but you're covering it, and then you get drunk and you get really vicious with people, those people are probably already vicious inside of them.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's totally true. Or if you're a happy drunk, you're probably a good guy. And you need a couple of drinks to feel loose, and now you're fun, you're having a good time, you're loving, you're hugging everybody.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right. Like I'm just like rigid. That's the benefit of some drugs is that they allow you to relax whatever insecurities you have and just be cool with people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Yeah, he ran across America. But they do these things through the mountains. Like they do the Moab. I think it's the Moab 200 or 240. So it's 240 miles through mountains. It's not just like straight 240 miles. Like you're going over mountains and hills and shit.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
A lot of problems with EMTs and people like that. It's not a problem, but it's part of the job is they get real accustomed to people being fucked up and dying.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's kind of crazy. I've talked to friends that worked as EMTs, and they have the most morose senses of humor. I know. And they're so used to people dying. And they tell you stories. They all have PTSD. They're all fucked up. They all get the gunshot wounds, and they all see the worst shit. Car accidents, the worst shit. Motorcycle crashes.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Therapist. That's another one. I mean, you got to think everyone's out of their fucking mind because everybody you're talking to is out of their fucking mind.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I used to not run at all, and then I entered into a 5K, and I couldn't believe how hard it was to do. It's insane. I thought I was in reasonably good shape.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
After a certain point in time, you might look for that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You learn about someone. Someone's going through heart surgery.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And how much trouble you're having dealing with her open heart.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But you're a comic, and it's like, it's so hard for comics to just settle down to just staying put and doing things with a person. It's tough. You're just so used to just running from club to club and set to set and meeting your friends, and it just becomes a bizarre lifestyle.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And they get mad. You don't have to do a set tonight, but I do. Yeah, you have to. I remember when I was dating this girl, I was 25, and she was like, you don't have to go up tonight. I'm like, but I do. I suck. I need to get better. This is only one way to do it. I know.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
How did you develop that way of thinking, you think?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But that also can happen if you're with someone who has – they don't understand. Like if they have unreal expectations, they expect you to just quit doing – like I had a friend and he was a good comic and he was dating this woman who wanted him to get a job. And he was doing pretty good. He wasn't headlining all the places, but he was middling quite a few places.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And he had some bits that were bangers. He had some good bits. And he could have been a really good comic. And then he got divorced a couple years later. I ran into him three years later. He got divorced. He was trying to do comedy again. But he hadn't done comedy in three years. And he lost all of his momentum. And he couldn't get spots. And no one gave a shit.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And everybody else had kind of moved on and moved up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think the thing was with this guy is that he was in his 30s and it hadn't happened yet.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And... It was one of those, probably the parents, like, what is he doing? What if he doesn't make it?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Have you ever experienced that? I had a girl that I was dating when I was 21, and her father said that, like, what if he doesn't make it? First of all, I'm fucking 21. I'm a little kid. Leave me alone, asshole. But second of all, yeah, he's right. He's like, who fucking knows? I might not make it, but... I'm going to try. I'm not going to not try because I might not make it.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Runner's euphoria. Yeah. I don't know. What are the actual chemicals that get released during a runner's high? We'll find that out.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's wonderful. But there are guys that are doing open mic nights for 25 fucking years and they're still terrible. Maybe those guys should move on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right. Well, at 21, I really didn't know if I was one of those people. But you have to at least give it a chance. And if you're dating someone that doesn't want you to do something wild and take a chance, this is not going to work.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's got to be dopamine. But there's a thing that you do when you do a lot of cardio where you do get really high. Yes. Not high in a bad way, but high in a very chilled endorphins. Endorphins. That's what I was looking for. Popular culture identifies these chemicals behind the runner's high. So you just- It says it's short-lasting. I don't think it's that short-lasting.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, if you have a kid and you're starting out as a comic, boy, that is a fucking uphill slog.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, if you live in the city, at least you do it when everyone's asleep. Right, right. When I was living in L.A., I would do 10 o'clock shows. So I'd be at home and then everybody's basically going to bed. I'm like, I'm going out. I'm going to go do shows. So I do shows from 9 p.m. on.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's crazy. But it's also, you know... The thing is, like, they go to bed early. And as long as you have a spouse that understands what's going on and she's cool with it, you can go out and do sets. Yes. But if you're starting out then and this is like this pipe dream that you have and you're not making any money doing it, that's a totally different thing. Like, I was already a headliner.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I was already on television. I was already making money. That's how we made money. I had to go do comedy.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So that's a job. But it's not a dream. You know, it's like. If you're chasing a dream and you're 36 and you have three kids and you want to quit your job at the accounting company, yikes, bro. Now you're kind of being an asshole. Well, it's also like, you better get really fucking good before you quit that job. How are you going to have the time to get really fucking good?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Exactly. And it's like there's a lot of people that are they have the dream of stand up, but they probably haven't really gone at it 100 percent. Yeah, well, that's the other thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And they still have this thing in the back of their head that one day they will, and one day they'll really bear down and really start writing and really start performing more often and going up more than twice a week, and they just don't. And then they get into this situation where, like, oh, my God, everyone's kind of passed me by.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And all the guys I started out with are now working professionals touring the road, and I'm still stuck in L.A.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You have a very clear responsibility, and it's not yours. I'll do your job for you if you want to take a nap. I'll babysit the kid for you. You go back to being the boss of the kids.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Give me what number to call if anything goes wrong. Yeah, that's hilarious.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think it's good, but it's not good for everybody, and it's not good depending upon what kind of relationship you're in.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I've seen that happen before. Like, what are you doing? Are you crazy? You guys are about to break up, and now you're having a kid? Yeah, that doesn't work.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's going to keep us together. Sort of, I guess. Yeah, I mean, you'll always talk. I feel like kids...
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
break people apart more than anything they break some people apart they bring some people closer they definitely brought me and my wife closer really yeah it's not a it doesn't have to be a negative thing it's just like comics look at it as a thief of their time I know you know and you know Louis said it best he said you just gotta let it change you yeah yeah yeah you know I thought that was really good advice because it definitely changes you and you can't resist it you just gotta be who you are now you're just a different person now now you're a person that's watching babies come out of your wife's body laughing
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And then grow up and talk to you, and you take them to do things together, and you have fun laughing together. It's like this very strange thing where a life that did not exist now exists. Right. And you love it more than anything you've ever loved in your life. You love this person.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, here it goes. It says up to a few hours. That makes sense. So the Bliss, it can last anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I talk to my kids about the most boring shit ever. But to them, it's not boring. They like to talk about bands they like and stuff they like. It's interesting. It's fascinating to watch their little minds grow and the way they interface with the world and see them develop skills and things.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus. That's a scary one. I know. Anybody could just punch you to death. Yeah, or just, yeah. Just give you a bloody nose and you bleed out. Yeah, it's crazy. That's nuts.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So you've got baby fever a little bit. It seems like you keep talking about it. A little bit. A little bit. A little touch.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't think everybody needs to. There's a lot of people that have kids that say, everybody should have a kid. I think you can have a wonderful life without having children. I think it's totally possible.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I read this horrible story about this child prodigy that the mother trained this child to do everything. They rebelled at 18 and she killed them.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Rebelled against the thing? I forget. I got so disturbed by it, I turned the page. But I was reading about this story.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, well, there's a lot of psychos that their kid is just a representation of them. It's not an individual human being. It's their property. It's them going through life. You will do what I tell you to do. You will be a lawyer. You will be a football player. Whatever the fuck it is.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Kind of makes sense why he's so cocky. The guy was like flying high all day. Like, whee! Rush. Rush. Yeah. That's excellence in broadcasting.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That was his thing, right? Yeah. Excellence in broadcasting. Rush Limbaugh. Just never at once just be at peace. It just made me think, too, like this whole idea of conservatives being like buttoned down, sober people who look at the world clearly. No, your fucking main guy is pilled out of his fucking mind, spouting out nonsense. Obama's from Kenya.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The doctor said. FDA approved. The doctor said. I told the doctor I have an Adderall problem. He gave me a prescription.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That is so wild that they said that to you. I know. It was insane. That's so wild. Yeah, well, you need it. You obviously are on it. You shouldn't get off of it because then you could die or something. You could fucking be slow and not as... It was hard to get off.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It seems like a lot of coping. A lot of things going on in your head right now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Because it always has a grip on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, well, maybe I could go back. But then I would start chain smoking. I don't want to do that. So I don't want to go back.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Let's relapse right now. Just fucking crush them and start snorting them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, I've avoided those, but I've been curious about Adderall.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Nope. Nope. Never done cocaine, never done Adderall.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, but when I was a kid, I got very lucky and – not lucky, but one of my friends, his cousin was addicted to coke. And I watched this guy's life completely fall apart. He was selling coke and – it was like he got bit by a vampire.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like he was a different person. He was real skinny and all gaunt and shit and just coked up all the time and fucked up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think a lot of them don't follow the rules. He wasn't like a businessman. He was a guy who got Coke and sold some of it. I'm such a nerd, but that's not drug dealer protocol. Yeah, I mean, it's from the biggie, the 10 crack commandments. 10 crack commandments. Don't get high off your own supply.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But what about when you were getting up at farmer hours? You saw a lot of sunrises then, too.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's all he cares about. See, that's one if you get into, you're relying on your vehicle, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like if you're getting into chess, you can pretty much always move those fucking things around. Yeah, yeah. You know, if you really get obsessed with chess.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And it's easier to stay awake than it is to get up.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
If you're on Adderall, it's way easier to just stay up.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
When I was young, I used to love staying up all night. I used to think it was awesome that I would be going to bed when everybody was running around.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, every now and then you probably shouldn't do that, but every now and again do it. I don't think it's so bad.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's good for you. Until you get vitamin D, how you stay healthy. But when I was in my early 20s when I lived in New York, I would stay up all night all the time. Really? Yeah, I'd go to bed.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, so I'd go to the clubs, then afterwards go to the pool hall, play pool until 4 o'clock in the morning, go to a diner, get something to eat with my friends. 6 o'clock in the morning, I was hanging out with just complete derelicts, like pool hustlers and crazy people and comics. So it was like no one was normal. And so then it was normal. So I called someone at 5 o'clock.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I said, I just woke up. They would think it was funny. I was like, I was up all night. It was normal. It wasn't like you, loser. I was like, oh, you're living the crazy young life. And you liked it, huh? It was a good time.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, but when you're playing pool all night and you're drinking coffee and just hanging out, it's the time. And also, I was so used to it. I didn't have anything to get up for. I didn't have a job. That's when you were doing comedy work? Yeah, I just started making money doing comedy, so I had enough money that comedy for the first time in my life was legitimately paying my bills.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Paying my rent. I had a car. I was driving around to gigs. I was doing headliner gigs in Connecticut and Jersey, like 500 bucks there, 350 there. So every week I was making a good amount of money, and I was just having a good time.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
How many years in did you become a complete professional?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
A long time. So you really did keep a job. Do you think the job held you back or do you think it helped you?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's the weirdest fucking people. Like, where are you in normal walks of life other than Walmart?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Remember that story about the one guy who cut a guy's head off on a Greyhound?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That guy, what was he? He was just like schizophrenic or something? He cut some guy's head off that was sitting next to him?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I'm scared of chess. Really? Yeah, I'm scared I'd get addicted to it. It's that crack. Right, but I don't have any time. That's why I won't play golf. Same thing. I'm sure the golfers, like Jamie's a big golfer, they'll tell you how awesome it is. I'm like, I believe you. I'm not going to try it. I'm not going to let it get its fucking fangs into me.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Canada man who beheaded bus passenger granted freedom. What? The Canadian legal system is insane. Wait, what?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He was deemed not criminally responsible and received mental health treatment. A review board in Manitoba ordered his discharge without monitoring, saying he did not pose a significant threat. When you behead someone on a bus, aren't you a significant threat?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He removed his internal organs. Repeatedly stabbed him. Oh, my God. Attack began without warnings, alerted by screams from the victim. The driver stopped the bus and fled with the passengers as Mr. Baker continued his attack. He was found not criminally responsible in 2009 for the killing, spent seven years in treatment, secure wing of a psychiatric hospital.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The voice told me I was the third story of the Bible, that I was like the second coming of Jesus, and I was to save people from a space alien attack. He also said he was really sorry for what he had done. It's funny, back to back. It's the best that they took him completely out of context. Generally, I'm not a fan of that. But in this stretch, I put that back up.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I like how they talk him completely out of context and said, really sorry, in quotes. Not even dot, dot, dot.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, he definitely doesn't pose a significant threat to the safety of the public. Imagine if that's your friend. This guy cut your friend's head off and they just let him out. It's insane.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well... He had his reasons. You hear about the lady in California that smoked weed and she stabbed her boyfriend. She killed him. She stabbed him like 11 times, something crazy. And they deemed her not criminally responsible because she went psychotic. She had a psychotic break from the weed. But here's the thing. Was she really sorry? She was really sorry.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I feel like that is one of those moments where I go, okay, if that was a man that did that to a woman and had the same excuse, I do not think anybody would buy it. No. Not for a fucking second. Just to be like. Woman. Oh, 108 times. Excuse me. Excuse me. 108 times. Did I say 11? You said 11. I meant 108. What the fuck? California. I forgot. A potent strain of pot. Yeah, it's super potent.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's a really potent strain. But it was really potent. Dude, relax. Stop being so judgy. I mean, it was really potent.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
She went to jail scot-free. She was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. What is the difference between involuntary and involuntary? I didn't mean to kill him. I only stabbed him 108 times. Yeah, I guess involuntary is... One time should be attempted murder, and if you actually kill them, it's murder.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's one stab. Yeah, premeditated comes in for murder. Right, okay. But wait a minute, isn't it second-degree murder if it's not premeditated? I think that's what it is. I think that's what second-degree murder is. You don't mean to... Yeah, manslaughter is an accident.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Although the two were dating, Spetcher told the outlet she never considered Amelia her official boyfriend and said she told him she no longer had any romantic interest in him two days before killing him. Okay. She claimed he was aggressive, intimidating, and had a temper, she told the outlet.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So when he encouraged her to hit a bong on the day of the stabbing, she gave into the pressure, then went into a deadly psychosis. Well, I think her alibi is that he was really annoying. He seemed super annoying. He got real loud and yelly. Yeah, imagine that for a woman. He got super shouty. Fuck that guy. Imagine a guy doing that. But also, so we're both accountable. Oh, my God.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Also, it doesn't have to be sunny out. Yeah, exactly. Three in the morning. I don't want to go to bed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But there's obviously been more attention to my part versus Chad's part. The part where the guy got stabbed 108 times.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Months before the fatal encounter, Amelia's roommate also had an extreme reaction after smoking out of the same bong, Goldstein said. He suffered hallucinations and fear of death. But that just sounds like he got too high. That's just what every time I get high. What kind of fucking bong does this guy have? Yeah.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
She only smoked pot less than a half a dozen times prior to the stabbing, her lawyer said, describing her as a naive user. She's naive. But just imagine the sexes being reversed. She got really yelly, and I got real nervous. And, you know, I had only smoked pot like six times before that.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Are you really, really sorry? Well, also, like, what about her part? She was kind of responsible.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's pretty high, son. But it's like... Because there's caution for high tolerance users only. Yeah, but the problem is the side effects or the effects of marijuana do not match that at all.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's the opposite. I don't... Yeah, that's... I think that's on her. Los Angeles-based dispensary found marijuana flower for sale legally with TH levels as high as 39%. That's even more potent. Similar levels were available Friday from a local competitor, but yet no one's running around stabbing people. It's just so crazy that they accepted that. That sounds so nuts.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And you talk about victim blaming. Well, what about Chad? Chad was really shouty. Oh, his name was Chad?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Never mind, then. Didn't they say... That's his name, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's not a good name for a guy that got stabbed. Automatically. Unless her name's Karen. Automatically, you're going to be like... Sean. It was Sean? But it's like what we said.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Also, how do you keep doing it after you do it one or two times?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's so crazy. Your arm must get tired. You stabbed him 108 times. It's actually a pretty impressive workout. She probably hurt herself.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
She got hurt too. What about that? It's a good point. I couldn't imagine ever seeing those roles reversed. There's no way.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I only smoked pot five or six times. That's not like your first time. Five or six times is like, you know what weed does. But weed doesn't do anything. It doesn't make you kill people. No, no. I mean, you can go crazy, though.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I had to quit cold turkey. I used to play Quake online. It numbs you out. It's crazy. It's just too easy to get a game. Because you could always, at any moment in time, I could either be bored, I could be having a conversation that's boring, or I could be doing something boring, or I can just log in and have a death match one-on-one with some dude from fucking Denmark. I know.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Some people freak out. They really do. But she must have really despised that guy. And that might have popped out of her. What am I with this fucking idiot? That's in there. Not that deep.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, it seems like if you hit 108 golf balls, that's what you're trying to do. That's about the max you could do. You get pretty fucking tired. It seems like she was more on Adderall with that amount of stabbing. That sounds so crazy. I want to know if she was on anything else along with it. Because if you mix Zoloft with cocaine, it's very dangerous.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
There are certain things that if you mix stuff with, no bueno. Really? Yeah. People lose their fucking marbles. What's bad with Prozac? I'm on Prozac. That's a good question. What is bad with Prozac? Let's find out. If you're on Prozac, should you be taking edibles? Oh, boy. What happens? I take one every night. Oh, well, you're the test. It's fine for you. I was looking up. That's the thing.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's like what's fine for you is not fine for everybody.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Okay. You shouldn't take. It may increase your risk for bleeding problems. Oh, a couple of strokers. Make sure your doctor knows if you're also taking other medicines that thin the blood, including non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen. I take Advil all the time. It interacts with monoamine oxidase inhibitors, MAOIs, other antidepressants, and blood thinners.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I can't mix it with my girlfriend's medication. That's saying don't take ayahuasca, though. Oh, really? Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, don't do it. I'm already not going to do it. If you're on the Prozac, don't do it. I'm not into that. It said non-steroidal anti-inflammatories and MAO inhibitors, and that's one of the ingredients. Serious bleeding, serotonin syndrome.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think it's about the blood thinning stuff. Oh, really? Manufacturer Prozac recommends that you avoid drinking and alcohol while taking this drug. Hey, I don't drink. There you go. Alcohol can worsen. I think I'm good. Okay.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Is this the same one that gave you the Adderall prescription?
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No? Different one? Are you one of those guys that shops around for different psychiatrists?
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You know, like, it's crazy. Like, I remember typing, like, where do you live? And then people are like, I'm in Estonia. Like, whoa, that's crazy. While you're killing them. You kill each other and you make little pauses and you ask. It's fun.
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Is there anything else that helped other than Prozac? Is there any activities that helped?
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So the Paxil was helping you in a different way than the Prozac is?
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And what was the difference in the way you felt on Paxil versus on Prozac?
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Yeah, it was awful. Was there anything else that you tried that helped that at all?
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Do you wish you were on Prozac to begin with? Or do you think that like – did something about taking the anti-anxiety medication accentuate it when you got off it? Accentuate the – Yeah, like the anxiety. Did you have the same level of anxiety before you did Paxil that you had when you got off of it?
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Yeah, but I think that's okay. As long as you're doing something that you actually enjoy, I don't think there's anything wrong with being obsessed with something.
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I can get it sometimes. I can talk myself into it. I can talk myself out of it. I get anxiety about existential threats. I get anxiety about war, sometimes late at night.
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I get anxiety the more I read about history, the more I understand how many times in history society was, everything was great and everything was fine, and then all of a sudden some terrible event took place, and then we went back to the Stone Age. This is an imminent threat to life that we look at the goings on in the world as if it's some plot in a television show that we're watching.
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You're watching what's happening in Ukraine. You're watching what's happening in Gaza. And you're watching what's happening in Iran. And you're watching all this crazy shit. And it doesn't seem real because it hasn't affected you. But late at night when everyone's asleep, that's when it gets me. Right.
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I started thinking that this ridiculous life that we live and all the stupid societal conflicts that we have that are mostly meaningless and nonsense... and that they're accentuated constantly in the news, all the while real people are dying in drone suicide bombs. You can watch them on YouTube.
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I think that's the deal with a lot of kids that are bored in school and they're calling them ADHD. I think they think that the subjects that are being discussed are boring as fuck. Of course. They're bouncing off the walls. They're 13 years old. They have so much fucking energy.
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Yeah, I mean, I've seen so many people die on Instagram reels. So many people get... blown up by missiles and blown up by drones, suicide drones slamming into people and detonating them. I watched this guy, some guy, I forget what part of the world it was, but he wore a suicide vest. They tried to stop him, and these guys run, and they grab him, and they all explode.
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They're trying to stop him from pulling the vest, and this bomb goes off, and you see just parts of people flying, and you're like, fuck, man. This is all happening in the world right now. It's just not happening right here. You're watching it. You're like, for some reason, I'm really anxious right now. Yeah, I get freaked out.
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And I start thinking about just how fragile our civilization really is.
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yeah oh yeah it's completely fragile i mean yeah and we're so soft we're so accustomed to living this way we're so like when the power went off earlier when we're doing this podcast what do we do we wait for it to come back on yeah somebody's gonna fix it what if it doesn't come back yeah i used to have a bit about that like when the the dumb people out fuck the smart people and the power just goes off and no one has any idea how to turn it back on again like what do you do somebody does it they do it and but what if that guy's dead like do we know and when do we know
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How long afterward do we figure out the power's not coming back?
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And we're connected by the most fragile thing we have, which is the power grid and our computer infrastructure. All of it can be wiped out in one solar flare.
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Yeah. It's the only reason why we're alive. It's 100 degrees outside, and I have a hoodie on. I'm super comfortable in here. We have air conditioning. We're fine. We're not dying of heat exhaustion. We're not out there dehydrating to death.
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And we're just so vulnerable. And we're so reliant to keep this civilization going the way it is. Think about what we've been talking about today. If you go back and watch films from the 1930s and 1950s, how horrific people treat each other.
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And over time, because of our access to all these different human beings and how they feel about things and how they discuss things, all that has kind of elevated our discourse and elevated the way we communicate with each other and we interact with each other and we demand more. And there's going to be overcompensation and things are going to go back and forth.
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But generally, it's moving in the right direction. But that's only because all of our needs are met and because there's electricity.
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So electricity is the thing that changed everything. When you can stay cool and stay warm, you can live in places you shouldn't be living. Yeah.
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Unlivable. All cities would be a hellhole. Yeah. There's no food. No one's growing food. How do you eat? As soon as trucks stop coming in, everyone's fucked. Yeah.
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You have enough food for like a few hours of everybody eating and then that's it. Yeah. The Gaza stuff is awful.
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It is complicated and horrible, and it's also complicated when you see so much anti-Semitism.
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Like, open anti-Semitism about all Jews. I know. As if there's, like, this cabal of evil people that are pulling the strings.
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I don't know if you remember. Yeah, we have a right to get cautious, you know. But it's also, that's one of the things that, I forget who was talking to us about this. It might have been Jordan Peterson, but it was somebody. When they were saying that it's one of the hallmarks of a civilization's decline, they start blaming things on the Jews. It is. It's really common. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
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Because Jews stick together, and it's a very difficult club to get into.
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Which, by the way, was being protested for months on end before October 7th.
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There was an article in one of the science journals recently about – one of the science magazines recently about ADHD. And then they were saying that it was actually – an advantage to think that way for hunter-gatherers. Oh, wow. This is left over from where they're constantly looking at other things and trying to pay attention. And they could focus on one thing very intensely. Oh, wow.
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Like all human beings everywhere in the world. There's good people.
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Sixty five percent of people say it's OK to rape Palestinian prisoners. Who did you talk to? Who did you talk to? 65% of who? Who the fuck is answering that poll? Hey, let me ask you a couple questions about rape. Who the fuck is answering that? What are you talking about, raping prisoners? I'm all in. By the way, I'm on my way to work. I gotta go.
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Yeah, but there's been things like the killing of the aid workers, like the Jose Andres' people, which seems like they were targeted. Yeah.
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To keep people from getting food to the Gaza refugees.
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Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I'm just saying that that's the accusation is that they knew who those people were.
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Look, whenever a human being is capable of doing something like that to another human being that they don't even know, they consider that person the other, you've got a giant problem. And that's the giant problem of being able to just bomb Gaza into oblivion and kill who knows how many thousands of people. It's almost like the United States' reaction after 9-11.
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9-11, the whole world was on our side. Yeah. Everybody wanted America to prosper. We can't believe America was attacked. America, this shining beacon of democracy and self-government. Like, no, not America. Then what do we do? We invade Iraq.
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And we kill a million people wind up dying because of our invasion, they think. Yeah. And then you think about the weapons of mass destruction hosts. It was all bullshit. It was paraded in the media. So it's like that. It's like our overreaction was so horrific. Then everybody hated America.
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I know what you're saying, that people would retaliate. It's the way they're retaliating and the scale of it, which is horrific to people.
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Well, the only way you can do October 7th is dehumanization.
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It's crazy that the – And also people pretending as if they know what actually happened and what the stats are.
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They didn't do that. They didn't do this. Are you on the ground?
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All of it is crazy. Like you don't fucking know what's actually going on. And there's a lot of misinformation that's even printed in mainstream media like the bombing of the hospital.
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You're like, ooh, what's that? And then it's like a raspberry. Also, they're always in activity and motion. ADHD may have evolved to help foragers know when to cut their losses. Oh, wow. Oh, interesting. You're too focused, you get killed. This is not the one that I read, because this is from February. The one I read was just a couple of days ago.
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Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what that is. I mean, that made it all the way into newspapers.
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Well, Netanyahu is this super pro-military guy. I mean, he was a special forces guy.
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So that's my fear when I'm up in the middle of the night, that this kind of shit is going on, that any minute it could pop off and become a nuclear war.
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Whatever it is, if you ask me if I get anxiety, that's my anxiety. No, I can totally see that. When I get really freaked out, that's what freaks me out. What freaks me out is that it could pop off at any minute, and then all of a sudden it's September 12th, you know?
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But way bigger, way crazier, way scarier. And that hasn't happened since 1945, so we assume that it's not going to happen again.
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Oh, dude. When the wall fell down, it was amazing. There was like a weight lifted off of America. Everyone's like, oh, the Soviet Union's gone. We don't have to worry about a nuclear war with Russia anymore. And now it's China and Iran and fucking this and that. Oh, my God.
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But symptoms of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, such as impulsivity, may have helped forgers and hunter-gatherer communities quickly move on to new areas when food sources were low.
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That's the thing is we're not used to it happening right here. We're very spoiled. Oh, we're so spoiled. The Russians are so much more used to it than us. They lost so many people during World War II. Oh, yeah, like $20 million? Well, I was reading this thing about France.
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This is so crazy that during World War I, France lost 25% of its fighting-age men, and then during World War II, they lost another 25%. It's insane. What the fuck, man?
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Well, it is in other parts of the world. That's the thing. It's like we're so used to not being attacked that when something like 9-11 does happen, like Pearl Harbor happened, it was five hours over the ocean. It was the only other time we were attacked. Yeah. You know, we're so soft. We are soft. We're soft as baby poo.
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No? Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? Yeah. I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. So the Bill Hicks joke, you don't buy into it? I love the joke. You love the joke. But I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. Have you ever read into that one?
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That's one you really shouldn't be flipping about. They killed that fucking guy.
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I don't think it was Biden. I think it could be a number of people that were involved. But it seems, at the very least, like they were so...
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lax insecurity that they were inviting something to happen at the very least and knowing that that guy was walking around more than 30 minutes before with a rangefinder right seeing that guy he'd come back and forth he observed him multiple times people were talking about him they were keeping an eye on him and this guy gets on the roof with a rifle and gets off three shots um
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Incompetence is a real theory. You know what else is a real thing? Conspiracies. Those are real, too. The problem with dismissing conspiracies as being just a silly conspiracy theory is that was the whole goal of the Warren Commission report. And that was when the term conspiracy theory got into the zeitgeist as a pejorative.
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Some dude had a really good joke about it that he put up on Instagram. It was very funny. Let me see if I can find it. Maybe you can find it, Jamie. He said that it was basically like if I thought they were going to try an assassination attempt, that seems exactly like how the government would do it. Like really inefficient. He said it was like the DMV of assassination attempts.
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That makes sense. It's like an instinct. Let's get the fuck out of here.
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find this dude who sent that to me but like but it's also I mean I guess for me it's like you also have to like you find it I saw it recently too I know what you're talking about fuck somebody sent it to me I get too many texts anything can be real but I also think the idea that he was a lone shooter is not that world is not a crazy world the idea that we're in a violent place no I'm not saying everyone has guns no not saying that he wasn't a lone shooter I think he was a lone shooter maybe there was other people shooting at him I think he was trained
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And I think somebody got him detonators. He had sophisticated detonators and explosive devices.
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I think someone talked that guy into doing that. I don't think someone talked that guy into doing it. I think it's possible that someone talked that guy into doing that.
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They took his body away and cremated it 10 days after the assassination. No toxicology report. No public. There's been no press conference about it. No telling all the details. Here's what we know. They went to the kid's house. It was professionally scrubbed. Didn't have silverware in it. Right. There's a phone that was going back and forth because, you know, they have ad data.
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They can track cell phone when they ping. There's a phone going back and forth between the offices of the FBI in Washington, D.C. and this kid's house on multiple occasions.
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I don't even think Epstein- I would not hate you with your views. I'm like the opposite of a conspiracy theorist. That's interesting. So you think Epstein killed himself?
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You have to look at the ligature marks around the base of his neck, which is not really what happens when you hang yourself. When you hang yourself, your weight of your body is what kills you. So the ligature marks, the strangulation marks are underneath the chin. His was down by his neck, and his neck was actually fractured, which is also indicative of someone getting strangled to death.
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Dr. Michael Badden, who's that... forensic scientist that did that show, Autopsy. Remember that show on HBO? He examined the autopsy, examined what the results were, and he found that the fractures in the neck were indicative of someone being strangled to death.
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Well, it seems very convenient that the cameras went out. Yeah. It seems very convenient that the people that were on security were asleep. Seems very convenient. All of it seems convenient.
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Since he's the most high-profile defense witness in a very important case that might have been about elites and child pedophilia, would probably want to take that guy out.
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The film of Kennedy's head going back into the left? Of course. How do you think that happens when you get shot from behind? What do you mean? His head goes back into the left like he got shot from the front. I don't know. I don't... You've never seen... That was a Hicks bit.
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You don't want to think about it this way. I like it. I like what you're saying.
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Just having Marshall around can make my day ten times better. I'm sure you love your dog just as much, and you want to do your best to help them live longer, healthier, happier lives. And a healthy life for your dog starts with healthy food, just like it does for us. There's a reason having a balanced diet is so important.
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That's true. Like planes flying into the buildings, especially buildings that are that tall.
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The Lee Harvey Oswald one, when you look into it, it's pretty nutty. Yeah. It's pretty nutty. A lot of people heard shots from the grassy knoll. The amount of people that were eyewitnesses that died in mysterious ways is extraordinary, off the charts.
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Odds like that don't make any sense, but I also do think sometimes the brain like finds patterns I don't always sure and also people kill people that happens to both the thing about the the Oswald thing is there's also a lot of Evidence that points the fact that they were trying to come to the conclusion There was a lone gunman despite the evidence and one of those is the magic bullet theory The magic bullet theory is fucking cuckoo for cocoa puffs that that shit would never fly today.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He went through Kennedy and then into Connolly and then they found it in pristine condition on the gurney. And then they attributed that bullet to all these wounds because they had to because there was only three shots supposedly. And in those three shots that Oswald was able to get off, they knew one of them hit the back.
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And they knew one of them was hit conally and one of them blew up his head. Well, they had all different bullets for these things, for these different injuries. But then a guy got hit with a ricochet in the underpass. So they had to account for one of those bullets missing the target and hitting the whatever it is, granite curbstone and banging into this guy's face.
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And the guy had to go to the hospital. They found the curbstone that had been hit with a bullet. And so they knew that a ricochet had hit there. So now they had two bullets that had to have all these wounds. And so instead of saying, hey, maybe there's more than one person shooting. Maybe there's more than this one guy that was in the book depository.
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All these people said there were shots coming from the grassy knoll. Maybe they were telling the truth. Instead of that, they said, no, no, no, no, no. One bullet went crazy and went, oh, look, we found it. Here's the bullet. All good. And look at the bullet. All right. I'll give you Oswald if you give me the Trump shooter.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That bullet supposedly went through two people and they found it in that condition on a gurney. If you've ever shot anything with a bullet, you know that's straight horse shit. That's not deformed at all. That's shattered bones. That's nonsense. But what is the answer?
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Well, if you read the Warren Commission report, and fucking nobody has. That's also, there's different, like see the hole in his neck? It's supposed to have gone through his back, through his neck. But in the first autopsy report, that hole in the neck was thought of as an entrance wound. And then when it got to Bethesda, Maryland, then they said it was a tracheotomy hole.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
There's like a lot of inconsistencies in the Warren Commission report. And if you want to go crazy, read a book called Best Evidence by David Lifton, who was an accountant, who read the entire Warren Commission, went over it, and found all these inconsistencies and said, They were just trying to come to this one conclusion and he didn't buy it.
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I don't think he acted alone. I think he was the guy that they were pinning it on. Well, he was definitely active with the CIA. He'd gone over to Russia. He'd married a Russian woman, came back to America. He was doing a lot of weird communist shit. He was involved in a lot of weird stuff that seemed to indicate that he was some sort of intelligence agent. Or at least a patsy.
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A guy they could pin this on, which is probably what they wanted to do.
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There was no internet back then, and they didn't even see the Zapruder film until 12 years later. The Zapruder film, nobody even saw it until it was on the Geraldo Rivera show in 1975 when Dick Gregory brought it on.
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He got shot, well, yeah, at least twice. They think three times. They think that's one through the back, one through the neck, and one in the head.
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This gentleman, Norman Oler, was on my podcast two weeks ago, and he wrote all about the meth in the Third Reich. Dude, it's crazy. And speed, yeah.
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Well, he was all fucked up. He had a lot of real physical problems. He was in constant pain. And he was also a guy that was getting treatment from Dr. Feelgood.
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Yeah, real similar. Like this one doctor. And I think a lot of that was meth as well. It was a habit of wearing a tightly laced back brace that may have kept him from recoiling to the floor of his car after the assassin's first bullet to the neck, setting him up for the kill shot. The brace was firm. So this is also, this is not the back shot either.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
There was a shot in the neck that again, the initial autopsy said was an entrance wound. Yeah, that makes sense.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Makes sense that it kept him stiff. He was all fucked up, though. He had, like, yeah, see, portrait of pain. See, he had, like, some real serious problems. Numerous back surgeries. So they hid. It's hard to hide news photos of him walking on crutches before and after one of his numerous back surgeries.
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It wasn't until 2002 when historian Robert Dalek was allowed access to a collection of documents spanning 1955 to 1963.
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uh in 1963 the specifics began to emerge peyton is co-author neurosurgeon just dr justin dowdy poured over dalek subsequent book numerous other biographies and scores of documents and x-rays at the jfk library in boston to prepare their paper so i was taken aback by the depths of kennedy's pain he said how long he dealt with the pain despite his short life how it affected his life i was able to conceal most of that from the public and certainly from his political adversaries
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So I wonder what back surgeries were they doing in 1963. Good Lord. It's got to be brutal. He had scarlet fever at age two, spent his teenage years in and out of hospitals with abdominal and joint pain, food-like symptoms, and extreme weight loss. Age 15, weighed a mere 117 pounds. By the next year, worried he might have leukemia, doctors began regularly checking his blood.
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So he was all fucked up, man. So he was a sick dude.
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Here's not sexy. Look at this. Yesterday I went through the most harassing experience of my life. An iron tube 12 inches long and one inch diameter up my ass. My poor bedraggled rectum, oh my God, is looking at me very reproachfully these days. Oh, my God. He was great with words. Bro, he was fucked up. He could have been a comic. Jesus Christ.
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So he got a football game, got tackled from the side, possibly damaging his spinal disc, began regularly using a corset brace to stabilize his spine and control his discomfort. So, yeah, he was all fucked up.
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Certainly people look for things that aren't there. I've read conspiracies about me, and I'm like, this is hilarious.
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But it's weird when you read them about you, and you're like, oh, this is how this works. People just make shit up, and they just run with it. What's the one about you? Oh, just nonsense, being handled by the CIA, being a part of the Illuminati, all kinds of stupid shit.
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Well, they just want to think you're controlled. They want to think that at a certain point someone comes to you and you get controlled. But that's not real.
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The reality is no one's in control. To me, that's the darkest reality. Right. MK Ultra was real, and they really were trying to teach people how to kill people, and they did it with Charlie Manson.
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I think our idea is that there's this one group of people that all agree with each other. I don't think that's real.
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I think there's competing factions even at the top levels. I think they're always battling with each other. Yes. Look, the people in the Navy sometimes don't like the people in the Army. You know what I mean?
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Absolutely. And I feel like that about the intelligence agencies as well. I feel like, yeah, you want the CIA. You want someone who's paying attention to terrorist plots. Of course. You want them. You want the FBI to be able to investigate when someone's done something horrible.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You want those things. You just don't want them out of control. And the problem is absolute power corrupts absolutely. And when some people get into certain positions of power, they use whatever means necessary to maintain it.
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Hitler was on, one of the things, the misconceptions that he was on meth, it appears a lot of what he was on was oxys. He was on oxycodone. Yeah, they had the original oxycodone.
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I thought it was just generally assumed that it was Hitler.
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Right. Immediately. Well, it was a time old tactic. I mean, Nero burned Rome.
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You mean Hitler or Nero? Hitler. Nero. You know what else Nero did? When his wife died, he found some slave boy that looked like his wife and had her castrated and paraded her around as his wife. Did he fuck the kid? I don't know what he did. Probably did. I mean, imagine he decided you're going to be my wife now. I'm going to chop your dick off and bring you out in public.
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A couple years later. Yeah. See if you can find that story. It is a crazy story. He found some slave boy that looked like his wife. And so, you know, back then, you're looking at him on the balcony. You're one of the peasants. Nobody knew. Yeah, he was just like... Wasn't his wife anymore. Like, he didn't want anybody to know his wife died, so he decided to make this fucking...
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Look, this is Nero, dude. This is Caligula. This dude was out of his fucking mind.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Sporus was a young slave boy whom the Roman Emperor Nero had castrated and married as his empress under his tour of Greece in 66 to 67 CE, allegedly in order for him to play the role of his wife, Poppaea Sabina, who had died the previous year. Ancient historians generally portray this relationship between Nero and Sporus as an abomination. How do you say that name? Suetonius?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Suetonius places his account in the Neurosporus relationship in his scandalous accounts of Neurosexual aberrations between his raping a Vestal Virgin and committing incest with his mother. Some think Nero used his marriage to Sporus to assuage the guilt he felt for allegedly kicking his pregnant wife Pompeia to death.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Jesus Christ. Dio Cassios, in a more detailed account, writes that Sporus bore an uncanny resemblance to Bopea and that Nero called Sporus by her name. Oh, my God.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They don't even care. I killed all the Jews. Did you ever see that video of the lady who's on pills and the cops are telling her to pull over and she doesn't know why and she has no wheel on her car? Her car is like spitting flames. Have you ever seen it? No, I've not seen it. And they pull over and she's like, what's the problem? And the cop's like, ma'am, are you on pills?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, my God. Wow. I should make a movie about that kid. Oh, look at this. Scholars have deduced that spores was likely an epithet given to him when his abuse started, considering it to be derived from the Greek word spores, meaning seed or semen, which may refer to his inability to have children following his castration. What the fuck, dude? Oh, my God. How crazy was that guy?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Make it a rom-com. But it's just like, what was society like back then? Because- They all had sex with kids. They fucked a lot of kids. Fucked a lot of kids. It was normal for an intellectual to have a young boy that he would fuck.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The greatest warriors ever. They all fucked each other.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They didn't care who they fucked. They were just fucking anybody.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I know. Imagine if that kept going and guys were just fucking guys today.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, the idea of the Spartans was that you would fight for your lover much harder than you would fight for a friend. So like this man beside you, not only is he with you in this war, he's a fellow soldier, but he's also your lover.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They wanted to fuck each other, too. I think they just got used to fucking guys. I think it's probably one of those, like, guys are so gross. That's the thing about prison, right? There's no women around. We just fuck each other.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
who's said to bear a remarkable resemblance to Pompeia. But then... He took Sporus to Greece and then back to Rome, making Calvia Caspinilia serve as his mistress of wardrobe to Sporus. Nero had earlier married another freedman, Pythagoras, who had played the role of Nero's husband. Now Sporus played the role of Nero's wife. What?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like, what the fuck is going on? How do you not know you lost a wheel on the highway?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, my God. Nympho. Who had persuaded the Praetorian guard to desert Nero. Nepheteus treated Sporus as a wife and called him Pompeia. So called him Nero's ex-wife, who Nero kicked to death, who he used to be married to. What the fuck? Imagine that poor kid. He's just blessed with good genetics. Got a pretty face. Got a pretty face. Cut your dick off and just fuck you and they pass you around.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The rape of Prosperity. proserpina the rape of proserpina at a gladiator show oh my god so he avoided this public humiliation by committing suicide so they were gonna violently rape him and kill him in a gladiator show so he finally gets free of the shit and they're like we want you to reenact it now We're going to make you die in a gladiator show.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He probably saw so many people get fucked up in gladiator shows.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, life back then. I mean, this is the thing. It's like they thought they were pretty progressive when they were just spanking women. Yeah. In those stupid movies. Well, you don't know. Yeah, you don't know. Give me a little hammer to spank her in the ass. Oh, here you go. It was normal. Yeah. At least he didn't cut her dick off.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
We're way better than the Nero. If you just read that account and imagine if Biden did that. Imagine if Biden's wife died so he found some fucking page that looked like his wife and had him cut his dick off and brought him to Greece as his wife. He'd be like, this guy's a maniac.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So here's this lady. She's just driving like nothing's wrong, waving. Hi.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Back of another car near Quail Hill Shopping Center. She says her car just gave out. Police say the woman was not impaired and they didn't arrest her. What the fuck are you talking about?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right, but the Nero story, that's like an historical record. The story, it took spores and did that to him.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They're going to be writing that about Hitler someday. Might have been a smear It was just the oxycodone. It wasn't Hitler.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. You can't fault him for killing all the Jews. He really did think they were evil while he was tripping balls. Sorry.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's pretty safe to say. That's not a conspiracy. I'm not into the... I'm not going to try to... You can't say incompetence for that one. I think that guy was probably a really bad guy. No, that was a bad guy. I think when you were the king back then, you could do whatever the fuck you wanted, which is part of the problem.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Elizabeth, so this is a very controversial story too.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't know about it. This lady, so this is the folklore. There's two different versions of this. So the story that gets handed down was this woman was so evil that she was a serial killer and she was beautiful when she was young. And as she got older, she would slaughter young maids and put them in a bathtub and bathe in their blood to try to rejuvenate.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That lady's on pills. If she's not impaired, she shouldn't be ever driving. If you don't notice, you lost a wheel. Right, that's a big red flag. Is that the same one? That might not have even been the same one.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But then the revisionist approach to it was that they accused her of all these things so that they could take her land. And they imprisoned her because she was a royal. So they imprisoned her under house arrest. They locked her up in a castle. They locked her up in a room in the castle for the rest of her life until she died.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And they think that this possibly could be false accusations against her that were so horrific that no one would question them so that they could take her land.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't know. We don't know. I mean, if they did smear her with this fake thing, it's a crazy accusation.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You want to think there's some lady that is so vain and evil that she slaughters all the beautiful young ladies.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And that these women started going missing. See if you can find that story. It's kind of crazy.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That is crazy. Imagine you could take a Japanese guy's head home with you. And everyone's just like, eh, it's fine. What was the job of this guy? Case of Elizabeth Bathory inspired numerous stories during the 18th and 19th centuries. The most common motif of these works is that the countless bathing in her virgin victim's blood to retain beauty or youth.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The legend appeared in print for the first time in 1729 in the Jesuit scholar Laszlo Turoksi, maybe? Tragica Historia was written, the first account of the Bathory case. The story came into question in 1817 when the witness accounts, which had surfaced in 1765, were published for the first time. They included no references to blood baths in his book, Hungary and Transylvania, published in 1850.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
John Paget describes the supposed origins of Bathory's blood bathing, although his tale seems to be fictionalized recitation of oral history from the area. It's difficult to know how accurate his account of events is. Sadistic pleasure is considered a far more plausible motive for Bathory's crimes. Oh, so they're saying that she did do it.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right, okay, this is it. Like, there's no way you don't know that. There's no way you don't know. And the trunk's open.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Bathory's been labeled by Guinness Book of World Records the most prolific female murderer, although the number of her victims is debated. So this is Wikipedia, though? Yeah, I think there was another article that Elizabeth Bathory was, like, Google Elizabeth Bathory was innocent.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The myth and stories about her were made up by the Hungarian noblemen who first falsely accused her, then prosecuted her based on false evidence that was mostly hearsay. Later, they got her servants to make proof against her by forcing them to say they saw the killings of young girls while they tortured them.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
This was because the wild dislike she got in those circles because of how well she treated her What is that? Jobagi? I don't know how to translate. Basically, farmers who worked for her on the land, for house, and a portion of what they made. Making a bad example, and she was simply kind to commoners, something noblemen just loathe.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's also helped them, after she got locked up, they seized her estate.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Who fucking knows? You know, it's too many years ago for really, we don't even know what happened in 1963 with the Kennedy assassination.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, if you could live 100 years ago, a fucking hot shower is a miracle. Oh, yeah. A hot shower is a wonderful pleasure that we just completely take for granted. To sit in that shower like, ah, soap and lather up and wash your feet and wash your face and, ah, your underarms. Ah, bathe in this preheated warm water.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, you wanted to wash your dirty ass. You had to get in that fucking lake. Yeah. Hey, dude, it's been really fun talking to you, man. It was a really good time.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I can't imagine that she's not medicated. That doesn't make any sense to me. Like something's going on.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
clawed each other back then. I didn't know that... I knew Carlson's from, I think the show was Extreme Fighting, the John Peretti show. So John Peretti, who worked for the UFC, then branched off and had another thing called Extreme Fighting. And that's where Conan Silvera came from and a bunch of elite...
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
UFC fighters Mario Sperry fought his first fights over there so it was it was like a really good competitive organization that was like right up there with the UFC back in the day and so I had Carlson Gracie's name was on that all the time and they showed some training footage of them training so I found out about that place and that was right when Vitor Belfort was emerging
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So Vitor was 19, so I was training at the same gym as Vitor. It was incredible just watching him train. He was a freak, like just an athletic freak at 19. He was so fast, just so fast and with his hands. And everybody knew he was a black belt under Carlson Gracie, so everybody expected just jiu-jitsu. And this guy comes out with little MMA gloves on and just starts tuning people up on the feet.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And you're like, whoa. A black belt who can do that? Like where's this coming from? Like this is a totally new thing. So that was the first fight that I attended. And that was the first fight I worked. UFC 12. Wow.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
You weren't just a chess player. You were a chess player they made a movie about, dude.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
I didn't have much to do with me, man. Well, searching for Bobby Fischer is about you, bro. Yeah. You know, which has got to be weird.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Was it weird, the dramatic representation of your life versus the real life? Yeah. What is that juxtaposition like? Is it bizarre watching a fake version of you on television or on a screen, rather? And did you have a feeling like, am I that person? I'm not that person. I am me. This is not really me, but it's about me. Yeah. Thank you very much.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Whenever someone is like an interesting person and then I find out they do jiu-jitsu too, I go, oh, I could talk to that guy for sure. Yeah. You know? You know, I get excited when interesting people do jiu-jitsu because I think to the outsider, to a lot of people that are, you know, They haven't been exposed to what it's like to train and what it's like to be around high-level jiu-jitsu people.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
When Eddie beat Hoyler, he was a brown belt? Yep. Wow. Yeah. John Jock took his black belt off of his own waist and put it on Eddie.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Oh, yeah. What was his take on it? Was he named Bruce in the movie?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
What's a tremendous burden to place upon a young person to take their life, which is essentially anonymous, you know, to the general public, you know, known in the chess world, obviously, but in the general public.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Anonymous. And then all of a sudden a movie star. Yeah. And not a movie star in the sense that you're on the screen, but it's about you, which is probably even weirder. So you have these false expectations or false narratives of how your life played out and who the people and who the piece. So everywhere you run into people, they have a version of you that they've seen that's not real.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
But at least they know me from me talking. Yeah, that's a really good point. They don't know me. Imagine if Mario Lopez played me in a movie. Right. You know what I mean? There's someone less handsome than Mario Lopez. And then you would have this thing where like, oh, you're the guy that that guy played in the movie. And I'd be like, yeah, but that's not really me. I didn't have that problem.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Yeah. That is a crazy time to get any kind of attention. Because you're just getting testosterone for the first time. You're like, what is all this? Right? And your body's growing. And it was flowing hard. Yeah. And you're becoming a man. Now, all of a sudden, girls like you. Like, what?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And you say tremendous because was that like a jumping point for improvement for you?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
That's a problem with very talented fighters as well. A lot of very talented martial artists, they never develop the discipline to truly become great Because from the very beginning, they had, and whatever the advantage was, whether it's a speed advantage, a strength advantage, genetics plays such a large part in martial arts success.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
If you have someone who's an elite mind, who is incredibly disciplined, and also has great genetics, you get a Mike Tyson. Well, that's amazing. If you can have that combination, that's what you're looking for. That's what you're looking for. But if you don't have that, and Mike Tyson is competing in your division, you're fucked. You can be really disciplined. So genetics do play a factor.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Circumstances, coaching, there's a lot of different factors. But if you're a real prodigy, and there are people out there that are just extraordinary from the beginning, I find that if success comes too quickly, you don't develop the mettle to really push through boundaries and reach new levels quickly.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Because the only way you get there is through, you have to, I think oftentimes training becomes, it becomes regimented, it becomes something you do. You see incremental growth and improvement. You get confidence. But then when you compete, if you get your ass kicked, then you have to kind of reassess everything. Like, okay, was I working at 10 or was I working at 8?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Was I studying tape or was I fucking off and calling girls? You know, was I paying attention to my training routine and my recovery or was I just training and partying? Like, what was I doing wrong? Like, what led this person to land those shots? What led this person to beat me?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And if you don't have those moments where you lose, I don't think you ever really achieve your true potential because you have to be challenged. And the best expression of challenge is total humiliating defeat. Absolutely.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
That's a better way to handle it, to recognize there's a real process. There's the right way to do this. It's the only way to do this. So don't even think about the other way.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Right. Yeah. Well, yeah. Acknowledge – well, you have to have acknowledgement of it because you have memories.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
But it's good for it to be a choice as opposed to just driving you. It's definitely good for it to be a choice. It's always good for it to be a choice because sometimes life will, you know, there's a curve that you have to take and you have to put something aside for a bit or maybe forever. And you have to be able to transition to something else. And if you can't do that, then you'll be stuck.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Yeah. And you see a lot of that with martial arts people. You know, most of us at a certain point in time realize that injuries are not just inevitable, but at a certain point in time you go, maybe I should stop doing this. Because training, no matter what you do, training is all about you using your body as a weapon and someone using their body as a weapon.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Whether it's martial arts like stand-up fighting or whether it's jiu-jitsu, it's the same thing. You're trying to...
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
you're trying to isolate joints you're trying to cut off blood and you're resisting all these things and all the weak points get exposed shoulders knees ankles back neck all those things get exposed and if you're a meathead like i have been in the past you train through injuries and they get chronic and then you get to a certain point where you're like what am i doing
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And if you can't transition to something else, if you can't find something else to do with your time, then you're a cripple. Then you're getting your 10th surgery on your back, and you're still trying to train. And everybody's like, look at Bob. He's crazy. He's got all his discs fused, but he's still training. Maybe Bob shouldn't be training. Maybe Bob's going to break something else now.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Maybe it's time to move on to something else. And if you don't have this ability to constantly take on new projects and be excited by different things, you're going to have a shallow life. Life has so many challenges and so many fascinating things to dive into. For you now, it's foiling. For a while, jiu-jitsu, chess, anything like that, you'll find something else like that.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Yeah? That's great. I think a little foiling probably makes your core incredibly strong.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Did you have a small injury that got worse over time or did you have a significant moment where you realized you hurt it?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So in 2002, he's promoted to black belt. So he was already a black belt because this is 2003. Yeah, that sounds right. So he had only been a black belt for a year and won Abu Dhabi, which is pretty crazy. Pretty crazy. Just that. I mean, didn't just beat Shaolin, won the entire division. and just looked like no one, anybody had ever seen.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
You couldn't walk, but you could ski. Yeah, it was a very strange period. I would have told you, dude, don't ski. Don't fucking ski. It would have been a smart thing to tell me.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
They replaced them now. Eddie Bravo got a fake disc in his lower back, a titanium disc. And he's able to train again. I know quite a few guys have got them. Aljamain Sterling got one in his neck and then went on to defend the UFC Bantamweight Championship several times.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
I didn't know that. Yeah, they put artificial discs now.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Yeah, he's got some wild stuff. And if you're not used to it, it's really interesting to watch people that just have never encountered it before. When I would go to train in other places, like I lived in Colorado for a bit and I trained at Amal Easton's. And when I'd go up there, there's so many positions that guys just didn't understand. They didn't know what was going on.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
They figured it out after a while. Like, oh, if he goes this way, he's going to try to get me in a twister. If he goes this way, he's going to try to set this up. But there's certain things that people do all the time, especially like put your hands on the mat. If you put your hands – pull up Jeremiah Vance highlights. Yeah. This is like one of Eddie's best black belts with rubber guard.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And the way he does it is phenomenal. He has incredible leg dexterity and his technique is so sharp. And he catches people and stuff where they're like, how am I even stuck here? Do you find that flex? Yeah, here it is. So watch how quick he sets things up. It's like, right away, you're in your fucksville. Like, who does this? Who sets up a go-go plata right off the bat and then triangles it?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Look how he sets this up. I mean, this is insane. And just massive crank on your fucking neck.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And everything he does involves this incredible dexterity and flexibility. There's like a whole series of highlights. That's not even some of his best stuff. But he's able to do this to people that just don't know what he's doing. Like they don't understand some of these transitions.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And this is just like one of the best expressions of the techniques that Eddie's developed. So Jeremiah's fantastic at that, this particular technique of being able to isolate the omoplata and then secure a choke in the transition. He does this to everybody. Look at this transition right here. Brutal. It's so nasty.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
It's so nasty, and you don't know what the fuck you're doing. How am I getting out of this? I mean, he just hits this over and over and over on people. And so many times when people go for an omoplata, people say, okay, worst case scenario, I might roll out of this and wind up on my back in side control. But not with him.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
This is like you're really close to checkmate from the moment the omoplata is set up from a position where you're defending. So you're defending correctly from the omoplata, and that winds up setting up this choke. What was your...
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Just the scrambles and his ability to arm drag and take the back. And then once he gets to your side, the ability to transition to the back is just phenomenal.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Very unusual. Well, he's really, really smart, obviously. And when you see his style... The problem with his style, in my opinion, is it's so jiu-jitsu heavy that he's vulnerable when he's fighting world-class strikers. Ilya Taporia smashed him, and it was a horrible, horrible knockout. It's because Ilya's a legit Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, but also way more technical on the feet.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And when you're fighting a guy who's just any one mistake you make in striking is a concussion. Any one mistake, boom, a big hand's coming, a knee's coming, a kick's coming. It's like something's coming if you make mistakes. It's just like being a blue belt rolling with a high-level black belt. It's the same thing. It's like you're just way too vulnerable.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So his jiu-jitsu is off the charts, but his stand-up is not at the level of his jiu-jitsu. And that's just a real problem today. You can kind of be a specialist if you're a striker. A striker, like, there's a few guys that can pull it off if they're really strong and they have good takedown defense. Like, Pereira's the best example, right?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Two-division world champion kickboxer comes over, dominates, becomes a two-division UFC champion as a striker because every fight starts standing up. But if you don't know how to strike, every fight starts standing up. So the beginning of the fight is always something you're not good at.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And if you're getting tagged at the very beginning of the fight, and now you're in desperation mode, and all this person has to do, it's an enormous space they're fighting in, the octagon. And the cage of the octagon actually makes it easier to get up if someone takes you down. So there's a lot of elements that wouldn't even exist if you had a flat surface with no walls. So it's easier to defend.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
it's easier to move around because it's an enormous surface. So you're now chasing this person, and you might have already gotten a concussion. You might have already been rocked. So you're already a little out of it, and now you're like desperado mode. It's just a bad place to be. You have to have world-class striking to compete at a world-class level in MMA at this point.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
You have to have something. At the very least, you have to be really good defensively, really good. But then you're just going to get picked apart on the feet. Yeah. Your legs are going to get kicked. You're going to get brutalized. Yeah, you have to be a really good striker. And Ryan is one of those guys that's a specialist. And, you know, he tapped a lot.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
I mean, tapped BJ Penn in like 10 seconds. He's tapped a lot of guys. When he gets a hold of you, you're in this complex web of transitions and techniques that if you're just a regular MMA fighter who trains jiu-jitsu three times a week, you're not going to know what he's doing.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
That's amazing. Ryan has had a ton of surgeries, hasn't he?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Someone just fell on him. So was he training with someone else and someone else fell on him?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
When you were training, did you do any weightlifting just to sort of supplement it to keep your joints strong and your...
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Why would you ever get on a bike with no brakes? You control it.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of in my life. This is something only white people would figure out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Oh, five ways to stop on a fixie. How about don't get a fixie? Get brakes, you fucking idiot. This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life. Why wouldn't you have brakes? Why wouldn't you have an option to control the bike better?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Yeah, look at all the white people. All white people. Ridiculous white people. They'd be doing backflips with skateboards. This is a big New York thing. Of course it is. They like suffering over there. That's why they all live jammed on top of each other. That's so stupid. There's no good videos on that. That's a stupid thing. There's a movie I've seen. That's why I don't know about it.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Okay, that makes me feel better that you could just skid. Yeah, you could skid.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Dude, I learned how to foil two years ago. And it took me like three hours to get on that fucking thing for the first time because I've never surfed. You were on an e-foil? Yeah, e-foil. Took me forever. Just kept falling down, getting back up, falling down. Meanwhile, my kids, my youngest at the time, she was 12, humiliated me. She just hopped on it instantly and was scooting around.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
She knew how to do it immediately. But she wakeboards. She does a lot of that shit. She's really athletic. But she was just humiliating me. And I was just like, I'm going to figure this out. For hours. I kept falling down and getting back up, falling down, and eventually I got it. And then once I got it, it was like easy. Once I got it, I was like, oh, I see.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
You're just riding hydrodynamics. Are you getting towed in to these waves?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And what's the benefit of that above surfing? Is that you're above the water?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Yeah, I get that on the eFoil. When you get cooking on the eFoil, you're above the water. It's wild. I always feel like I'm going to fall. I'm going to fall. I'm going to fall.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
As soon as I get above the water, I'm like, okay, we're going too fast. You're going to wipe out.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
How many other people are foiling like they're training for a world championship activity?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So in stand up fighting, that would be like footwork and angles. It'd be similar to that because the most important thing about any kind of combat sport in terms of striking sports is to be in a better position to land a shot and be in a better position to defend.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Do you think that a huge, well, it had to be a huge factor for you that you were sort of forced to reevaluate the way you interface with life when you became famous because of the film at 15. So childhood chess player, become very well recognized, then all of a sudden this movie, and now you have to kind of like grapple with things. And as you said, these challenges make you a more complex person.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And then your ability to sort of push chess aside and try other things. Do you think that's because of that? It has to be a factor in your this desire to explore other things. Because you're kind of thrust into this thing where your thing is now changed. Your thing is now not just flowing and learning and getting better and doing battle with chess.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Now it's image and groupies and this bizarre thing that you're living up to and you don't like it and you want to escape it. And so you have to reevaluate. And so this forced reevaluation from a young age at 15 years old, this key developmental period as a young man,
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
sort of opens you up to the possibilities of all sorts of different ways of living life and all sorts of different things to do with life.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So if you're fighting southpaw to orthodox, you always want to make sure that if you're southpaw, your foot is on the outside of your opponent's leg. That way your opponent has to kind of cross over, try to hit you, but you're in a position to hit them on the blind side. And the best ever at that is Vasily Lomachenko.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
They don't know that vibe. They don't know what it's like. They don't know the beauty of jiu-jitsu. I feel like jiu-jitsu is beautiful for people who practice it. You see Marcel is a great example, your coach. You know, Marcelo is probably one of the most beautiful guys to watch because he just takes advantage of these scrambles in this like really beautiful way, like fast and slippery.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Because Lomachenko, when he was young, his father made him stop boxing for two years and just study Ukrainian dance. Really? Mm-hmm. So for two years, he just did Ukrainian dance. Have you ever seen him box? No. Oh, my God. Pull up a Lomachenko highlight. It's all about movement and position with this guy.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Did you have any sort of out of body experience or anything while you were gone?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
It's all about when you punch, he's going to make you react this way, and then he's going to go that way, and then he's going to spin sideways and he'll be behind you. So this is Lomachenko. The way he moves is so different. It's almost like... It's almost like he's got just a radar for where their punches are coming from and knows exactly where to put his feet at all times.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Isn't it fascinating that sometimes, again, it's the same thing. It's like loss propels you to a next level. Even... the moment in life where you realize it all could just go away like that. So fucking fast, instantly. So fast. No warning, just gone.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Did you learn from other people who do Wim Hof breathing when they swim?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
The ocean is such a fascinating thing. It's so alive. It's just a strange thing when you get in the ocean, if you haven't been for a while. You climb in, and you feel it moving around you and pulling, and the water just feels different. It feels like it's a living thing. Like you dunk your head under, and you look at this world that's three-quarters of the surface of the earth.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And it's so vibrant. And you see people that are surfers that just get drawn into its spell. And it just becomes a part of their life is to ride that energy and to feel it. And the addiction that they get from it. Guys like Laird, now guys like you. I know so many people that they, like Jocko, he won't leave San Diego. He doesn't even want to be in California. But San Diego is the ocean for him.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
I know you're in favor of optimizing training and finding ways to learn things quicker. Would wave surf pools, those crazy ones like Kelly Slater style wave surf pools, that would give you way more reps, right? If you're surfing, for sure.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
No matter what they do, he knows what they're going to do. But when you watch his footwork, it's the most extraordinary thing because his ability to give you all sorts of different reads, incredible. I mean, he won a world title. I think it is fourth pro fight. Unbelievable amateur record. But it's just the movement. He's never right in front of you. He's always off to the side.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Psychologically. That's interesting because they're accustomed to just taking what the ocean gives you.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
The one who can adapt. Yeah. Yeah. The low rep training thing with surfing I never really considered, but that does make sense. You have to be able to optimize. You have to be able to take advantage of each one of those things and pick it up pretty quickly.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Right. Yeah, it totally makes sense. Why do you think that children learn quicker than adults?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
He's always moving around. He jumps in and out. And it's with perfect precision. A lot of times when guys do a lot of footwork and movement, there's points in that transition where they're off balance, where they can't really throw a punch, or their footwork is out of position, or they're leaning too far over on this side. He's never off balance. He's never out of position.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
He's always slide to side, pop, pop, slide to side, pop, pop. And you never know where the fuck he is. He's a magician. It's fascinating to watch him fight. And very few people have tried to incorporate that. Like you see some of his movement. It's just the way he's able to fool the best fighters in the world and just have a level of movement that they just don't really understand what to do with.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Well, we won't know until it happens, and we will become a different thing. We will have to admit that we are no longer the apex intelligence on the planet. We will have something that's akin to an artificial life form that's far superior to us in reasoning, access to resources, logic. It'll be far more technically proficient. It'll make far better versions of itself probably pretty quickly.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
They've already seen AIs duplicating itself. It's not being prompted to do this.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
It is happening, but it hasn't completely transformed life yet. It's emerging right now. It's about to. Yeah, it's a god. It's a god that's emerging. And if it's not a god yet, it'll be a god in 50 years. It's going to be attached to quantum computing. It's going to figure out ways to implement better strategies as far as utilization of energy resources.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
It'll be much better at everything than we are. And then the question is, will it be used to manipulate us? Will it be used to control populations? Elon says his estimation is there's an 80% to 90% chance it'll have a radically positive impact on society at large. 90% likelihood that it'll radically improve the quality of everyone's life.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
But then there's 20 or 10% that it will not and that will be imprisoned. It's like 10% possibility of the matrix. 90% possibility of a technologically inspired utopia. Yeah.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
They get baffled by it because everything is coming from different angles. It's never I'm charging straight forward at you trying to destroy you. Everything is angles and movement.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
That's a very logical perspective. Unfortunately, we are in a race, and that's where it gets weird, right? Because we're not just in a race in America. We're in a race internationally. And the consequences of losing the race are grave.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
It's akin to the consequences of losing the Manhattan Project, of not coming to the bomb the first, not being the first to implement a bomb, which is really crazy to think. But I think it's that on steroids. I think it's the Manhattan Project on steroids because I think it has the – if used in the wrong way, it has the possibility of completely imprisoning society.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
All you'd have to do is lock down resources, food, power, electricity, everything, and you put society at a complete halt. If you can figure out a way to completely disable grids and every car has a computer in it now. Most cars are connected to Wi-Fi. Most new ones have at least an option to connect it. There's a way that someone can connect to your car. And this is crazy.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Oh, it's incredible in anything. In anything. When you watch someone who's just unbelievably extraordinary and unique in whatever their discipline is, it's always fascinating to watch. This episode is brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. We're all just trying to level up, right? I'm always trying to push myself, whether it's training, learning something new, or just trying to be a better human.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
In phones, everyone's reliant completely on your phone. There's AI in your phone now. Who knows what could happen if that got hijacked?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
You know, there's a guy named Robert Epstein who spent a lot of time analyzing what the impact of curated searches can do to presidential elections, to public opinion on things, and that when you're getting a search where you're using Google or some of these search engines, you're getting curated search results there.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
If you look for specific political opinions, political positions, you will get a curated result that is oftentimes skewed in whatever ideology, towards whatever ideology the people that programmed it are aligned with. So if you Google something about Donald Trump, you will have as many negative responses they could possibly throw to the front of the line as
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
It will take you page after page after page to find what you're looking for, but you'll be confronted immediately with negative stuff. Now, if you're a person that's in the middle and maybe a person that's undecided in an electoral process, in an electoral race, you can be swayed in a significant manner.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And he estimates it's as high as 30 to 50 percent of the people that are on the fence that are – sort of undecided voters can be swayed by search result engines, which is kind of crazy. And that's just, you know, an algorithm. That's just something that they've divided.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
This is not like a purposeful changing of narratives in order to implement whatever strategy they think would be the best for them financially, whether it's a central bank digital currency or a social credit score system or something.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
where they could completely control behavior and have your behavior locked up to your bank account, locked up to your ability to make a living, your ability to travel. That's spooky stuff, because that's all AI.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
If AI can be... If someone figures out the best version of AI that can traverse these boundaries that we have with encryption and with grids and computer systems and just completely lock everything down, we're fucked.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Well, that's a very rational perspective. Let's just fucking do it though.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
You have to change the whole way they interface with life. And that's a big ask. It's not as simple as logically social media is bad for you, I'll stay off. The small dopamine hit that you get from opening up reels, just scrolling through and seeing people get knocked out and car accidents and big boobs, that is, for whatever reason, much more compelling than the idea of...
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Possessing autonomy and the idea of having the ability to completely remove yourself from the thing that everyone's addicted to, which is likes and engagement and getting an outrage. The algorithm showing you things over and over again that outrage you.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
It's so compelling to people and we're so averse to being bored that at any time when nothing's going on, you pick up your phone, you start scrolling. At any time, you just get nonsense just fed into your head at any time.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Once it's attached to quantum computing, it literally would be a god. Yeah. We're about to experience the most bizarre transition that I think any human civilization has ever experienced. It's electricity times a billion. It's computers times a billion. It's something completely different.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
and we're going to adapt to it we're going to have to we're going to have to figure it out it's just what will that be like what will life be like when we adapt to it that's what things that's when things are going to get strange i think the 80 to 90 improvement of of life experience i think what he's talking about quality of life experience i think what he's talking about is
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
it'll make allocation of resources much more efficient. It'll be much easier to get water and health services to third world countries. It'll be much easier to keep power on in places. It'll be much easier for people to get sanitation, medicine, things along those lines.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And then starving, poverty, nutrition, all those things could probably be worked out in a far more efficient and a far more effective way. Then the problem is control. That's the problem. The problem is human beings. Every single government, every single leadership position, everything involves control. The CEO controls the company. The president controls the country. There's Congress.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
There's senators. Control, control, control. Everything is control and then financial benefit from that control. That's where it gets scary because whoever is actually programming this thing, as we've seen with Google's AI disaster, when they programmed their AI to show you images of Nazis and it showed you multicultural, multiethnic, multiracial Nazis. Instead of actual, like, what is it?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
No, Nazis with fucking dueling scars on their face. Hard-looking, scary German dudes. That's Nazis. These are not Nazis. This is a fever dream. This is some nuttiness that you've put your DEI nonsense into an artificial version of what the past is. That's crazy. You can't do that.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Because if you start doing that with everything else, then we have a distorted version of reality itself by the most potent intelligence that we currently have at our disposal. And that's nuts.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So what do you think happens with all these people that lose their jobs? Because most people believe that some form of universal basic income, people that study this, believe that some form of universal basic income is inevitable and necessary. Right.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
I worry about that psychologically because I worry about people being dependent upon checks from the state and not having agency and not having a personal sense of worth. I think people identify with what they do. If someone's a great mechanic and they have a great relationship with the people that bring their cars to them and they – They enjoy being able to fix things and help people.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
They identify with this. This is a part of who they are. They're a person who fixes cars and works on cars. If that's gone and now all of a sudden they just have a check, who are they?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Well, it depends on the dude. Some people learn new things. Some people get excited. There's going to be people that take advantage of it in a very positive way. If there's a real living wage that you get from the government where you really don't have to worry about your housing anymore, you don't have to worry about your food.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
I mean, I think that would be, if you were an ambitious person, that would be amazing. So then you could dedicate yourself entirely to what you love, whatever that thing is, and just really dive into that and let that become your focus in life.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And we're accustomed to believing that survival itself is the primary driving force, food and shelter is the primary driving force for this intelligent species of human beings. But part of me says, why? Why is that? Why does that have to be your driving force?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
If we have unlimited resources, which assumingly we will with AI if it's implemented correctly, we have unlimited resources in terms of your ability to never worry about being hungry, never worry about shelter. You would hope that what people would do then is pursue their dreams. But some people don't have fucking dreams.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Some people, they've gone too far down this journey of life with a rigid mindset and a very limited perspective. And now they're forced to change. And many will change, but many will not.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So they have more options. It's like having a language and you have an access to a larger vocabulary.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And that's where it gets weird because then you have a whole entire class of society, an enormous swath of human beings that are addicted to TikTok that now get checks, have no hobbies or interests, live off garbage food, and they're lost.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And they're being told probably they're being manipulated, that someone's responsible for this, that these people need to be taken down and shut down. We need to return to our old way of life. You give enormous potential for for unrest.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Well, I think people certainly, if universal income becomes ubiquitous, we're certainly going to need some sort of guidance. We're certainly going to need something that guides people towards a feeling of relevancy, towards a feeling of purpose. You've got to give people something. Training is a beautiful thing to do. Yes, any kind of training, anything where you're learning something.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
But again, it comes to this comfort thing. You and I have very similar paths in life in that we've sought things that many people find uncomfortable and difficult. And I think there's great value in uncomfortable and difficult things and in the beginner's mindset and the learner's mindset because there's just – You learn more about everything by learning about something.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And I've lived my life like that and so have you. And there's many people out there that resonate with these ideas. And they also live their life like that and they get excited. But there's many people that don't. And those are the people that I really worry about. The people that just want a good job where there's nothing wrong with that.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
There's nothing wrong with wanting a good job and being able to take care of your family and having a place where you enjoy working and being able to go there every day. And when that's taken away from people and they have to kind of restructure the entire way they interface with reality. And then there's this bizarre connection with the government now where the government is now your provider.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
It's not just for the people, by the people. It's not representative of the people. It's now your provider, which is a very strange relationship to have. And we see it in welfare states, which I think social safety nets are very important. I think if we're going to be a compassionate society, we need to be able to take care of people that aren't doing well because a lot of life is about fortune.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And when the opponents react, he reacts in the other way. It's all just technique and flow. It's like, ah. Like the first time I ever saw him, I saw him live in 2003 in Abu Dhabi. And it was when he fought Shaolin. That was the first time I'd ever seen him in the flesh. Shook him out in like eight seconds. Oh, my God. This is crazy. But no one even knew him.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And sometimes people run into horribly unfortunate situations and there's massive potential in those people. And those people can realize that potential if they're helped. And I think that's real too. But I do think there's a certain psychological aspect to having the state take care of all your food and money and resources and housing that all of a sudden, who are you?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And what do you do to give yourself meaning if you're not the type of person that seeks out difficult things and you're 45 or 47 years old or whatever you are and this is happening to you? And you feel lost. Like, there's going to be a lot of people like that. And throughout history, terrible times have been very cruel to people who weren't prepared.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And I worry about it almost like an intellectual famine. you know, like a psychological famine, that people will be deprived of the thing that they have rested their hat upon, like their identity, who they are, what it means, their sense of purpose, that it will be pulled away from them.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Well, that's where Eddie Bravo had a pretty significant contribution to jiu-jitsu because he was so creative in some of his attacks and some of the things that he developed, particularly off his back. Like the rubber guard variations, they were so systematic and so...
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
That scares the shit out of me, especially when I know how many people get addicted to drugs and how many people get addicted to all sorts of weird lifestyle choices to provide them with some dopamine or some rush or some just something that makes them feel like they're alive.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
If you got good at it, it was surprising to anybody who didn't understand what you were doing because they didn't know these positions well. There's this kid named Jeremiah Vance who's one of Eddie's best guard players, and there's a highlight reel of his submissions off of his back, his rubber guard submissions.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Right. People love to think that way. They fucking love it. It gives them a nice little out in their accomplishments. It gives them a nice little excuse for why things haven't gone their way.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So when you work with people, and I know a big part of what you do is help organizations learn. How do you instill these ideas in people? Do you have a structure that you follow when you go to work with people? Do you try to see what they do?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And if you don't have a person that you train with, if you train at a traditional school and you don't understand these positions, you don't know how good someone can be at it, there's times where you don't think you're vulnerable where you're incredibly vulnerable.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So it's completely dependent upon the individual and their approach initially.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Is there a benefit to that, just to expand your repertoire?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
The difference between a really good guard player in MMA, like Paul Craig, for example, he submitted some of the best two world champions off of his back in the light heavyweight division, Jamal Hill and the current champion, Ankalayev. Ankalayev's only defeat. is to Paul Craig, because he's just wicked off of his back. So everybody feels comfortable.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So who knows? Isn't it interesting when life takes you on these, or you go on your own journey and you realize that decisions that you've made that have turned you in one way, like those are critical decisions if you think of the life that you're living now, is this optimal? If this is optimal, then yes, it's good. that you moved away from chess.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
But if you had gotten that coaching when you were younger, and it reignited your love of chess, then it would be good for the life that you currently have. Because you would say, well, as a person who's just so in love with chess, I'm so grateful that I ran into this person when I was 11 years old, and they sent me in this correct path. Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
That's interesting. That's great. That must be very satisfying to teach people how to get better at things.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
In MMA, there's only a couple guys like Oliveira. You've got to really watch your P's and Q's. There's a few guys that are just wicked off of their back, but no one's like Paul Craig. And so if you're just used to fighting regular guys off of their back, and you get in guard...
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Well, you have to really understand someone psychologically to be able to coach them as well. Yeah. Because sometimes you don't know like what the hitch is until you run. You're like, oh, there it is. So this is your whole problem with your whole life.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And you get a little cocky, you extend an arm to try to land a punch, and then all of a sudden his legs are wrapped around your fucking neck. And you're like, oh, Jesus, how did this happen so quick? Because he's just got that technique. It's just so tightened up. It just locks it up so fast.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
That's the thing about people that are really amazing at something. The pain of losing is so devastating to them. Yeah. When you talk about genius, people use Michael Jordan as an example. Genius basketball player, but unbelievably competitive. Yeah. Just can't help himself. In everything. In everything.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
I've heard if you beat him at pool, he won't talk to you for two weeks.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Right. Right, that you have a Ferrari engine and you're trying to navigate 30 mile per hour traffic. And you're like, fuck.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
It's fascinating to watch the difference between a really good guard player and someone that's just a regular MMA fighter who knows how to do a triangle but really doesn't have the elaborate setups. In many ways, that's in a large scale what Hoyce was doing back in the day. Sure. No one had any idea what was going on.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Well, there's also a problem in when someone becomes very good at doing something and they have a very specific way they've become very good at doing something. They assume that this is the way and that this is the way for everyone and that they can impose their way on other people.
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And what led them to become great in the first place is also that hubris that makes them think they could take Bobby Fischer and make him even better.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Yeah, and that's what's very important is finding the right coach. You have to find a coach that understands you and has a style that you can implement because there's some coaches that just have styles that physically you're not designed for. You can't learn the way they learned.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
That's what's fascinating about you is that you've gone from being this hyper competitor to teaching people or coaching people to find the very best version of themselves and how to acquire that. That's very rare that someone who gets really good at something also becomes really good at showing people how they can get better at things. Like that's a specific focus that you've had.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Well, there's a good argument for it with the gi with young guys.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Yeah, talk about a real motherfucker. Well, just fascinating that he learned this by being a sword fighter. Yeah. What is the best way to be a sword fighter? You can have no bullshit in your mind, so you must be balanced. And his approach was, you must be an artist. You must be a poet. You must be a warrior.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
You must be in tune with all of your feelings and all of your senses and everything about you and to do everything correctly. Do all things.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Right. There's no room for 62 men. Yeah. In one on one combat.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Yeah, ripping knees apart where they're not going to be able to be repaired. I mean, how many people have ruined their knees forever from a heel hook? A large number. I would imagine if there's any technique that's ever ruined an athlete's career, the heel hook would probably be number one.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
My fear is that there's so many of us, probably even people that are listening to this right now, that have never developed that aspect of their life. And it's very difficult to get started on that path once you've been on this path of complacency and comfort. It's very hard for people to sort of embrace this new way of thinking and interfacing with reality.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Not doing it and knowing that you didn't do it. Yeah. That's hard. That's not good for you.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
If you let that part of you, when you're 40 seconds in, you're like, let's get the fuck out now. If you let that part win, you'll feel terrible for the rest of the day. But if you just hang in there for two minutes and 20 seconds more, you'll feel so good. You get out of there like, all right, got this one done.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Yeah, it's so hard for people to recognize when that's happening as well. Because once people get success, then the fear of losing that success overwhelms them. And then sometimes it's easier to control a person who's been successful because they don't want to let this go. They don't want to go back. They want to move forward.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So what do I have to do to make sure that I'm... I mean, you see this in Hollywood. It's a big thing in Hollywood. People panic. when they start doing well and then they align themselves with other people doing well and it kind of changes the way they think and the way they behave because everything is dependent upon you being chosen for things.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So your whole life is like wondering what your social status is and how you advance that and hey, what do I have to say? What should I tweet today to make sure everybody knows I'm on the right side and
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
In life. I think that thing that you're talking about is very critical, that fear of losing once you've won.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Are there any other things that are exciting to you like that, that you think of? Like if one day you can't foil any longer, do you have like an escape strategy?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
That's one of my favorite things to watch is people that are just absolutely engrossed in what they're doing and are fascinated by it and in love with it and on the journey. It's very addictive. It's very inspirational. It gives you something. It's like there's something out of watching people and learning from people that are really, really passionate about something that's so contagious.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
I fucking just love it. Yeah, so you have to live by the ocean. You're fucked.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
You were telling me before we wrap this up, you were telling me about a crocodile encounter.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Crocs are actively trying to eat you. Sharks, a lot, I mean, there's a lot of people that believe that sharks are attacking people because the people are where the sharks are and they don't want the people there. Yeah. You know, like when they're interfering with their hunting grounds and they attack people in that regard. I've heard people say that and I'm like, ooh, that kind of resonates.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Oh, no. You didn't even know how to grapple. I didn't know anything. He put you in a heel hook. That's so awful.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
That makes sense. But crocodiles are different. They're just hunting everything. And if you're there, you're on the menu. They're hyper aggressive. They're very different than alligators, which are also very dangerous. But crocodiles are significantly more dangerous and more aggressive.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
What's the language? Murder, kill, eat. I don't know. That's the language.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
I do not believe that's true. I think they are the waste management of the ocean and of the ground. I mean, they are there to make sure that anything that slips, anything that gets too close, anything that fucks up, it doesn't pay attention to the ripples in the water, that's a meal. They clean up. They're the cleaning crew.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
They make sure that there's no weakness in the system and they devour and they live forever. That's the crazy thing. It's like the ones that they spotted in the early journeys when they were talking about like there's talks of 40 foot plus crocodiles probably were real because crocodiles don't die of old age. They don't have like a 20 year lifespan. They just keep growing.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
No one knew of him other than, you know, he was obviously I think he was a brown belt at the time. I don't even think he was a black belt. I think Marcel might have been a brown belt. That's interesting. I didn't... In 2003. Find that out. Was Marcelo a brown belt when he won Abu Dhabi in 2003? He may have... Eddie Bravo was a brown belt when he tapped out Hoyler.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
And if a crocodile lived before people had guns and, you know, they weren't on the menu, and you've got to imagine they could live hundreds of years, hundreds of years eating deer and wildebeest and anything that fucked up, antelopes, anything that fucked up, anything they can get a hold of, and they just keep growing.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
They could be enormous, enormous, enormous super predator dinosaurs that live amongst people. Yeah. I have a friend of mine who's a professional hunter, Jim Shockey. And he was flown to Africa because this particular village was being targeted by crocodiles. So they hired hunters to hunt these crocodiles. And while he was there, he said, everyone you would meet had a chunk taken out of them.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
People were missing hands. Some people were missing feet. And while he was there, one of the women in the village got taken. And they would set up these posts in the water so that the crocodiles couldn't get through to this one area where they would gather water and wash clothes and do things. The crocodiles had figured this out.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So then that's how it all began. Well, Hoist was brilliant in wearing the gi because it made people grab it. Yeah. They thought they had an advantage that he had something to grab. And next thing you know, he's like – Clinched around you and dragged you to the ground.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
So they went onto the shore and then they would go into the water where the posts are and wait for them.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
I think you're correct. Yeah. I think you're correct. I think it's going to be an incredibly challenging time in history and one that I don't think the brightest amongst us can truly predict the outcome of.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Really. Amazing advice. Yeah. That's my pitch. Thank you, Josh. It was a lot of fun. I really appreciate it. This was great. Yeah, I was really excited to do this and really happy to meet you. So I really appreciate you. Awesome, Jim. Thanks for reaching out. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody. Can't find him on social media. Don't look. Bye.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Right. And they didn't understand that all that friction from the gi was going to make it very difficult for you to get out of anything.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
That changed the whole world, didn't it? Oh, my God. Changed the whole world. Changed what street fights look like. Changed everything. Those first UFCs were just...
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
wild nuts wild just the bizarre the first UFC I worked was UFC 12 yeah in Dothan Alabama yeah I had to take a propeller plane I had to fly into I think we flew into Birmingham or somewhere and then we had to take a propeller plane to Dothan I was like what am I doing this is so ridiculous but I wanted to just see it live because I'd only seen it on television I'd only seen it
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
I'd never seen a live cage fight before. I'm like, this has got to be crazy.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Well, it was 97, so it was four years later. Four years later.
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Yeah. Everybody was like, what are you doing? Don't be associated with this. So many people were telling me not to be associated with it. It was like I was doing snuff films or something. It's like, why are you doing this? You're an actor. I was like, okay. I don't know what to tell you. I like it. I want to go watch. I needed to see it. Were you training at that point?
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#2292 - Josh Waitzkin
Yeah, I'd already started doing jiu-jitsu. I started jiu-jitsu in 96. You were training at Hickson's then, right? Started at Hickson's, and then I went from Hickson's to Carlson Gracie's. I didn't know. I thought all Gracie's were the same. Like, oh, this Gracie's closer. I'll go to this Gracie. They all love each other. And I'd also say, yeah, I didn't understand. They were all tooth and...
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It's set up by world leaders. It's set up by the media. It's set up by the people who benefit from keeping us divided. Most of us agree on a lot. One of the things you're seeing is like from all these USAID disclosures. is the mainstream media cannot ever say that anything this administration is doing is positive.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So even if they find unbelievable corruption, and they've found some really wild shit, like, what was the $4.7 trillion in untraceable money? Oh, yeah, yeah. I sent that to you, right?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So it's the treasury access symbol, TAS, is an identification code linking treasury payment to a budget line item, standard financial process. In the federal government, the TAS field was optional for $4.7 trillion in payments and was often left blank, making traceability almost impossible. As of Saturday, this is now a required field, increasing insight into where money is actually going.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And it seems like even though it's horrible to do and very unethical to dump it, to pump and dump it, it seems like that's legal for some weird reason. Yeah. You know, because I know that's the turmoil around the Hoctua coin and – That's the fear about the Trump coin. Didn't the president of Argentina do a pump and dump as well, allegedly?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
He's the guy you do not want investigating your shit coin.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
We were trying to figure out as a way to do it where you don't pump and dump it. Because anybody can kind of make money now, which is so strange. And we're like, we make a JRE coin. What if we didn't dump it? What if we didn't pump and dump it? What would it be for? How can you just do that?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, Dave Portnoy's been paying attention to all this, and he's been buying coins and tweeting about them and then selling them, and he's been making a lot of money. And he's like, am I going to jail? What is this? Because you're making real money. Didn't he make like a million dollars off of one of them?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
He's pretty careful. I doubt he did anything illegal. I wouldn't assume so. Also, he's so wealthy, he doesn't have to do anything illegal.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, they hang out with other billionaires. That's the problem.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah, the arguments good like he shouldn't be able to scan your information But yeah also is there any evidence that he's doing that and here's the other question who else has access to this well Every company has a lot of people have access to this even students that are interns who work in the department have access Yeah, yeah, I think what they're doing is they're they're making an argument and it's a good one right if you have a look if he was evil and
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#2274 - Mike Baker
If you do have this evil billionaire who wants to control the world and has access to everyone's credit card and just steals all your money or does whatever. Didn't that used to be Jeff Bezos?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, they were for a while, but he's just balling. Jeff is just hanging out on his yacht, banging his super hot wife. He's having a good time.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I remember when Elon Musk was criticizing him for not working hard enough. I'm like, wait a minute. What is work for? Yeah, $200 billion. I think you can chill. Yeah. When you get $200 billion, then it's time to get that fucking crazy yacht.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah, have a good time. I like the way Jeff Bezos is doing it.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I mean, but I appreciate the fact that Elon is so psychotic in his drive. It's bizarre, and also in the face of overwhelming hate.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
The Democrats were different. That was a different kind of a Democrat. That was the kind of Democrat I would vote for right now. I'd vote for Bill Clinton despite all the blowjobs and all the crazy shit. Well, but you weren't involved in that. I think that they all did that. I think you get two types of people who want to be president, pussy hounds and warmongers. I prefer pussy hounds.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, but you could be both. Yes. You could be Genghis Khan. Yeah.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Good use of the pronunciation, Genghis. Well, I'm actually listening to an amazing podcast. I'd love to recommend to everybody because Elon recommended it on X and I've been listening to it. It's fucking great. Fall of Civilizations podcast. They're doing a series on the Mongols right now. Terror in the Steps. And I am listening to it right now. So that's why I'm saying Genghis correctly.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
They explain where it came from and how it got fucked up over the years of translation into languages that didn't have Cheng. They didn't have a sound. And so Chengis Khan became Genghis Khan, you know, especially when European languages started translating it.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Do you know they didn't even fucking know about this whole story until the 1800s? They found a Chinese book, and the Chinese book was written. They thought it was nonsense. They couldn't figure out what it was saying because it was written where the Chinese characters made the Mongol sounds of the words.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And so they had to translate it from Chinese to the Mongolian language, and then they realized this was the history of Mongolia. Genghis Khan and the Khan Empire. It's fucking the secret history of the Mongols. It's fucking amazing. This podcast is fantastic.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, I have a little Asian. I mean, I have like 1% Asian. Really? Yeah. Yeah, 1% Asian, close to 2% African. But I'm from Sicily, my ancestors, and so I think those are the ones that got raped by the Moors. That's in the movie True Romance. Remember? Oh, yeah. Remember that scene?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I think the problem is they're trying to do it very quickly because they want to get a lot done before the midterms. So they only have 24 months to enact real change. Did you see Kevin O'Leary talking about it on CNN? He was saying they're not doing enough. They should cut more. Because he was talking about it from an entrepreneur's perspective.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
If you're taking over a failing company that's filled with bloat and waste, and he's like, that is the government. He goes, you've got to cut more. He goes, cut everything. Cut it all out and then find out what's necessary and rebuild it from there.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Because he was saying it on CNN, and CNN, they were like, oh, pennies were in a wad.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
But the thing about it is they're all united in their message, whether it's MSNBC. I watched MSNBC the other day in the gym. Oh, my God. It was awesome motivation to work out. Because these people looked morbidly obese. And they had this language that they were speaking. It was almost like they were translating from another language. It didn't make sense. It's like, you know, we're in danger.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It was the way they were talking. It's like, my people feel like they're in danger, like they're being criminalized. Oh, okay. We're being pushed out of society. We're being told we don't exist. And then, of course, you have to say you're an ally of the LBGTQ+. You have to be an ally. They're digging their heels in on all that stuff, though. That's not going to win anymore. That's too crazy.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Even kind, progressive people realize... You know, you've done a weird thing with with women's sports. You've done a weird thing with the safety of women in bathrooms. And it's not to say that some of these people who are legitimate trans people who really do just want to use the women's room and be treated like a woman. That's true, too.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
But you open the door for perverts and you're not admitting that you open. You're just allowing guys with beards and hard dicks to wander around the women's room.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
The problem is a group, if it's all single bathrooms, that's not economically feasible at like a stadium. And that's where it becomes a problem. And then it's also this like weird cultural line. We're like, which bathroom do you get to use? This is like a thing in Congress, right? Because there's that one trans person in Congress who, by the way, said that they do not want to use the women's room.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I think it's a problem with a lot of the people that are quote-unquote leftists in general, is that they've been bullied and picked on all their life, and they've been fucked with, and now they have a gang. And now they're going to go fuck with other people.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah. This is a core aspect of progressives right now online, is that when they're tweeting about stuff and when they're posting about stuff, it's very aggressive and very angry and insulting. And that this is their way to demean, whether it's Pete Hegseth or Cash Patel or any of these people that are involved, or RFK Jr., any of these people that are involved, even Tulsi.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It's like the way they're doing it. It's not about policy or agreeing or disagreeing about perspectives or the way they're choosing to govern. It's not that.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It lasted until Elon bought Twitter, really, realistically. Yeah, I think that's fair. If he hadn't done that and they were all controlled by the left, do you think Facebook would have loosened up their grip?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah, shout out to Jack Machado. Jiu-jitsu changed your mind, man. It'll change who you are. You'll realize there's reality in this world.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
He's got a thick neck now. I think that has a lot to do with it because you start looking at things from a more libertarian perspective, from a merit-based perspective. Yeah.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Everybody just live, as long as you're not hurting anybody else with the way you live your life. Exactly. Live your life. If you want to wear a dress, God bless you. Yeah, yeah. God bless everybody. I tell you. Just be nice. And I think most of the people, the reason why they're not nice is because people have been not nice to them. That's that old expression, hurt people hurt people.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And the way to fucking unite us is not to keep hurting people. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I like breastfeed or whatever. There's this one TikTok person who trolls. And I don't even know if it's a biological woman because that's one thing that the trans people are very upset with. There's a lot of like really hot OnlyFans girls that are pretending to be trans and they put like a fake...
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#2274 - Mike Baker
dick in their underwear no oh yeah yeah yeah and they're like super hot and so the actual trans people are very upset and get ready for this their argument is my identity is not a costume for you to wear like wait a minute hold on a second hang on because That's a real woman, bro. You're already doing that with her. She's just got a rubber dick in her pants for money. There really is no.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So this one lady who's like, I think it's a lady. I think she's a lady who's a troll. And she said that she went to some country and got a chromosome change and a uterus installed and now she's pregnant. And she like... I just read the comments and people are fucking going crazy. It's a bunch of sub-90 people, IQ people in the comments just fucking having strokes. That is the best part.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
When somebody throws some shit out there and people buy into it, right?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Me and Jamie have to sort out what the fuck is real now. It's so hard to tell. I see things from myself that aren't real. I saw me doing, or I didn't see me. I heard my voice over some narration of something, of some TikTok story. And I was like, I never saw this. This is not me saying this. It's all done through AI. I'm like, this is crazy.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
You know, I guess now with video as well, you know, if you wanted to have a podcast video of me doing something.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah, it's pretty wild now that, I mean, we have a little bit of a problem where a bunch of people are selling like cheap things online and using my voice and we have to get them removed.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
But that's just, you know, that's just opportunists that are taking advantage, you know, I'm selling protein powders that I've never seen before, all that kind of shit.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I think it's going to get to a point where it's impossible to tell. I think that's not far away. I think we're there, honestly.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I like the ones that are, they're obvious. They're really good, but they're obvious fakes. Like, did you see the one with Kamala Harris after she lost the presidency? She's wearing a bikini top, walking with a beer. It says unemployed. Yeah, yeah. That's good. But it's obvious that it's not real. Yeah. So it's okay.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Like, the ones where Trump's playing the guitar, and then there's all these other people, like Putin's in the background with the drums. Have you seen that one?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Is it because they're too wide? Is that why you don't want to ride one leg on the other side?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah, the one with Trump playing guitar, I think they're doing, it's Fortunate Son, right? It is, right? I think it's on my Instagram, right?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
That's why I like it. It's not tricking me, but I'm like, wow, that's really good.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
What was it about his speech in particular that was offensive?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So tell everybody what you were doing in the Middle East because it's pretty crazy. Oh, thank you.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
They're not doing it because they genuinely think this is a moral and ethical thing to do. They're doing it because they sense an uprising.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
so he's not it's not going to happen for him um so i think yeah they're rightly not rightly but they are concerned about uh their own political power that's that's what it is and that's what people need to understand science it's not that the europeans are the kinder more progressive no this is like they understand that it's coming yeah and they want to do everything they can to stop it because most people are fed up most people just want to be left the alone yeah
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And if you tell them that they can't put a flag meme on one of their Facebook pages or they get arrested, which is what happened in Germany.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
That's the thing. The citizens say, this is the way we want our government to talk.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
They were booing the national anthem so hard. They get in three fights in the first nine minutes. Yeah. And then we kick Canada's ass. Sorry, Canada. In Canada, which is not good because that's their fucking sport. That's basically their only shot at beating us at anything.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Curling. They might be able to win at that. If we practice it, we'd be better at that, too. Yeah. They make great mixed martial arts fighters. One of the greatest of all time, George St. Pierre is from Canada.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It's just they're too nice and they let communists run their country. And that guy's a communist.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
He told me on the phone he was serious. At first I was joking around, but then I was thinking maybe it's not a bad idea. Now I think he keeps talking, refers to him as Governor Trudeau. It's so funny.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
That's a good point, and something that maybe a lot of people aren't aware of, is that the wall on the side of Egypt is way bigger than the wall on the side of Israel. That is an impenetrable wall that's heavily guarded. They do not want Palestinians coming into Egypt, which is kind of crazy.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
They're also talking about rebuilding it themselves. They're like, we'll do it. We'll do it. Just back off.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
We'll take care of it. Which is great. And that's when they have to say Hamas can't be a part of it.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
There's also a problem with the reality of the region at this point, right? It's like what do you want to happen to that area because someone has to rebuild it. Look, absolutely Israel shouldn't have done what they did and kill who knows how many innocent people and literally destroy most of the buildings there. We all can agree that's a horrible thing, but it's done. So now what?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Going to turn it into the Mediterranean of the Middle East. This looks like a demolition site. So let's clear it out. The real question is if that doesn't – okay, then what? Then what? If you don't want that to happen, then what? If the United States doesn't take it over or who should and what do you do with it? And how do you get the money to rebuild it? And where does it come from?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And how do you do it? Who do you bring in to rebuild it? Who governs it? How does that work? Who gets what building? How does it work? It's a very complicated thing when you destroy an entire fucking city. See if you can find some of that overhead footage, Jamie.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Look at this footage. This is unbelievable. I mean, this looks like they got hit with an asteroid.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It's unbelievable, the scope of it. It's just insane. Yeah. It's insane to see.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
yeah dave smith had a very good take on this he was on one of those pierce morgan everybody yells at everybody panels which are really fun for about five minutes but let me uh send jamie what dave said because dave had in my opinion the best take on this where it's like you you see you're like okay yeah that's that's correct this is uh This is the way to look at it, I think.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
How much supplies did you bring? Did you have a supply camel?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
But but we were justified based on a lie, which is even crazy because they use that justification and went after a group of people that had nothing to do with it. Right. based on a lie of weapons of mass destruction, which is even crazier, right? We went to a completely different country.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, they probably never expected this. Yeah, I don't know. There's no way they would have done October 7th if they expected this response.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So if that is a vacuum and we stop doing that entirely altogether, does that vacuum get filled up by another power? Yeah.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
This is the best case scenario perspective. Worst case scenario perspective is that these policy changes that we are initiating and that we are influencing is for corporations to make more money. It's to control resources and to control areas and to make things friendlier for business. That's the worst case scenario. This is done in a mercenary fashion. But is that the Chinese regime?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
When you do have the ability to control other regimes, isn't it
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#2274 - Mike Baker
almost it doesn't it almost logical that you are you're going to need a lot of money and you're going to need a lot of influence to do that and so there's going to be a bunch of people say actually we could use some of those minerals actually you know that natural gas is very valuable actually if we could destabilize russia's energy systems and you know pump up ukraine's and control it
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#2274 - Mike Baker
That'd be pretty good. And so then we start initiating things and we start the coup in Ukraine in 2014 and a bunch of different things. We started helping things along that would benefit us both geopolitically, but also geopolitically in the sense that like you're controlling the geology of the land, which is the real term geopolitical, right?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Jesus, you'd have to bring several camels just to carry your food and water. Yeah, no, it's exactly right. There's no water out there, right? No, no.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
That's the real term, right? Doesn't it have to do with like controlling regions?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
But then it's also national self-interest that's kind of prostituted by corporations. This is what people are worried about is that we engage in certain activity that's avoidable simply for profit. Right. Yes, absolutely. I don't think there's any doubt about that. I think, look... It's just what happens when you have a system like this, right?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
When you can influence foreign governments and you do have enormous amounts of resources and you do have the ability to change things and install a government that's more friendly to... But if you're not going to do that...
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Are they getting water from the ground, or are they getting water from, are they bringing it in?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Based on your experience overseas and your understanding of how these things are done is that if we don't do something, if we don't act in some way to influence these governments and control these regions and do whatever we can...
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#2274 - Mike Baker
to make sure that our interests are being That we that we are the ones that are kind of directing the way things go right I would rather be directing how things are going than not and And those are the two options those I think those are the two I'm just good We're not gonna live as a community of nations.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, there's a lot of people listening that probably come to that conclusion. Yes, I think you're right. Yeah, but this is the reality of that job, right? And this is the reality of international relations.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, why would you say something that's objectively true? I have no idea.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Right, but when you're doing it publicly, that's not what you're doing.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
You're kind of pretending that we're different than what we are.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So I'm sure you've seen Mike Ben's take on USAID and what USAID was really all about. And his perspective is that it's for everything that's too dirty for the CIA. He's saying USAID.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
um do you think there can be a rational argument though that a lot of these things that seem ridiculous like sending all this money to influence the votes in pakistan or in india and then we look at it like why are we spending 21 million dollars on education here and two million dollars there and that these things are actually beneficial to the united states as a whole because even though we're spending exorbitant amounts of money
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#2274 - Mike Baker
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#2274 - Mike Baker
The results we're getting is we are maintaining peace by being in control of certain areas where someone else would come over, and then you'd get a regime that's not friendly to our interests.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I think what the perspective of this administration has stated is that they're going to review all these programs and keep the useful ones.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And I think they're going to run it through the State Department, right? Is that the idea?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
You mean like the $251 million on transgender animal studies?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
But I think the problem is the people that are opposed to this administration are never going to see the good in anything that comes out, even if it does uncover undeniable fraud. I think we're just so dug in now, especially the fog of war post-election.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
which seems real in this country, this fog of hate on both sides, gloating on the right and bitterness and anger and hyperbole as to the extent of what's happening on the left. It's all a constitutional crisis and a destruction of democracy and a real dictator that's in place. And all the things that they feared coming into this election now have come to light in their eyes.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Not only is it not necessary, it's counterproductive. It's counterproductive, yeah. And it just fuels the other side. Yeah. It's stupid. It's like this should be a uniting time for our country. Well, again, and you would think that...
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I know maybe that's his implication, but- I think he's talking about failing companies. Failing companies. When you take over a failing company that's filled with bloat and waste, you cut more out than even you think is necessary, and then you figure out what you need.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, isn't what this administration has done is putting a pause on everything? And then they're doing an audit of things and then a review.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
There's the kid who deciphered those scrolls from Pompeii using AI.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Genius. I mean, it's very interesting because the approach is essentially he's mimicking the approach that Elon used at Twitter. Just you're saying, okay, I'm going to cut out 90% of this and see how it works.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So your perspective is that of course there's waste. Of course there's fraud. But if you don't understand international relations, if you don't understand this – long tradition of supporting regimes that have our interests in mind. If we don't do that, someone else will. They'll gain control of these areas.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
This is just the reality of the world that we live in, and we should be influencing other countries.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It's not like your review process- How could you review USAID while this is all going on, while they're still able to spend money? Because they're still able to, if there is corruption, if they're still able to dump a bunch of money into a bunch of different projects and funnel stuff around and move stuff into these areas where it can't be traced, which is apparently where at least some of it goes.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Is there enough time to do that? This is the question. Is this a more time-effective way of confronting the reality of what they're trying to accomplish, which is government efficiency, right? It's the Department of Government Efficiency. We don't believe that the government is efficient. We do see that there's at least some waste and some fraud, but it's not being chased down.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So there's a lot of messaging that you hear online that, you know, you've got to kind of decipher. And one of them is the price of eggs for whatever reason. The price of eggs is a big one that gets bandied about. People need to understand what the price of eggs is all about. One of the things is they killed a lot of chickens during the Biden administration because of this bird flu thing.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So they killed millions of chickens because the fear is that these chickens are going to hop over to people. And right now I think it's only in geese and ducks. Is that correct? Yeah. Did it move to cattle? I think it has in some cases moved to cattle. But the question is, like, what happens? Is that treatable with antibiotics? Is this overblown?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Like, what is the actual reality of this pandemic, so to speak? This is why egg prices are so high. But then, unfortunately, it becomes a political talking point. And so it's hard to get to the bottom of it because you're just trying to use it to cast blame. So they're trying to blame this administration on the price of eggs. They're fucking up. Regular people are going to starve. Yeah.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, guess what? It takes a long time for a chicken to be able to grow from a chick to an egg laying. It takes months. Yeah.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So you're not going to get any discount in eggs anytime soon if they killed millions of chickens, which they definitely did.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I had a buddy of mine who went to England and was living over there during the mad cow crisis, and to this day, he can't give blood.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
The idea is that if he does have it, what is it called, Jakobs-Kruxfeld disease? I always fuck that up. But what that disease, that prion disease is, is from cattle eating cattle brain tissue, right?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Grind them all up and then the cows eat them and get the prion disease and then they're fucked.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
The same thing, which by the way happens to cannibals. It's the same thing with Papua New Guinea, and the cannibals get that same sort of problem where the neurological, their body breaks down. Good God. Yeah, good God.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Did you ever hear the story about Rockefeller's kid? Was it a nephew?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, he went- Twice. And apparently the first time he went, he insulted them by trying to acquire one of their sacred things. And the second time he went back, they decided to eat him. And they didn't find out about it for a long time. I think he went missing in the 60s. We covered it, Jamie. Do you remember what year it was? I think he went missing in the 60s.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I think he felt like they just couldn't come to an agreement on whether or not he could take home whatever.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
sacred object he was trying to get from them I forget what it was but it was something that they would never sell or trade and he was insisting on it and they're like oh fuck this guy and then I think they had some time to stew on it yeah he was gone and then when he came back like this dumb motherfucker's back can you imagine how surprised they were when he showed up again Oh, boy.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
We're going to eat him. Yeah, they're probably thinking, if he comes back, I'm going to fucking eat him.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, again, this is, you know, rich liberals. That's what he was. He was a rich liberal who wanted to fix the world and travel around and went into a world that he didn't understand. Like, literally didn't understand. Didn't understand what they were saying. Didn't understand the culture. It was fairly, you know...
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah, and also, what a great story when you get back to the university. Oh, yeah.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I went to Papua New Guinea. He's so interesting. God, he's so interesting.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
He said, yeah, sure, you should go back to Papua New Guinea. Can you pull up a story where you can see this cat?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So, 62. Hold on. Go back up. It says the first public report that Rockefeller was killed and dismembered. Scroll up. And his long-burn bones turned into weapons and fishing equipment. Yo. Wow. It was published by the Associated Press in March of 1962. The second investigated...
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#2274 - Mike Baker
investigation later that year by a patrolman named Wim van der Waal on behalf of Dutch colonial government came to the same conclusion van der Waal was given a skull bearing no lower jaw and a hole in the right temple the hallmarks of the remains that had been headhunted and opened to consume the brains
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which he turned over to Dutch authorities, who never asked him to write a written report and never asked him to verbally report his conclusion. The information was apparently deemed politically sensitive, in part because of the fragile state of the Dutch Empire in the Indonesian archipelago, and in part because of Nelson Rockefeller's political celebrity in the United States.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
The findings of van der Waal's investigation are restated in the written memoir of Anton van der Waal, a successor missionary to Van Kessel. The famous Van Kessel.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
See if you can find photos of that dude. That's crazy. Because there's photos of him hanging out with the people that ate him.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
There he is. Go to that one right there. No, the third one. The third one. Yeah, that one. Look at that. He's like, I'm going to eat you. Those classic 60s glasses, right?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
What a moron. Well, back in the day, he thought he was being, look at him, soy boy, even back then. Yeah, yeah. Oh, look, look, look. Oh, I'm having such a wonderful time with all of you people.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah, you're fucking around in a place you don't understand, and you don't understand that they have a long history of that.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Oh, God. What is that? Is that supposed to be him? I don't know. Oh, God.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah. What is that image of? Does it say? Michael, that is him? No, no, no, no, no. It says Michael Rockefeller.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Even more fucked up. Like, he already knew they were doing that? Yeah, I know. That's right. Jesus, bro. I'm sure this wouldn't be me. Someone brings out that. Like, hey, check this out. We did that to this guy. Yeah. Like, look at that fucking skeleton. That is so creepy. I got to tell you, they look well-fed. I would worry about that, too.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah, that one guy on the right, he's got a big old belly. Yeah. He's just been eating people. Well, a lot of them, they get bloated because of parasites, too.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So click on that one where the guys are holding the arrow right below that, right below your cursor. Yeah. Look how fucking terrifying is that. Jeez. Imagine that guy. You show him on the beach and that guy's there.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah, there's a famous story of a guy. They killed his friend, chopped him up, threw his guts on him, and then they gave him, I think, a 30-second head start, and he escaped. He did. He hid in a beaver den. Nice. That's smart. I think this is in Montana. A couple years ago? When was this?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Oh, okay. I believe it was the Nez Perce, and I think he hid in a beaver den and made his way naked all the way back to the fort. Okay. I think it was like a couple hundred miles, too.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Michael reportedly told his companions, I think I can make it, and jumped into the water. That was the last time they saw him. Oh, this is when he swam to the shore. In 1961, Michael Rockefeller was traveling to this dangerous area of dense rainforest, mangrove swamps, and crocodile-infested mudflats known as the land of the lapping death, when a small catamaran capsized in rough seas.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So Michael Rockefeller, a strong swimmer, immediately jumped in the sea and began to swim to shore. But this is the second time, right? This is when they killed him.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
That doesn't show a lot of thought there. Well, he thought he could make it, and he's already visited them before. There was another article that I had read, Jamie, that actually recounted the moment he was killed, that they picked him up in a canoe and speared him in the canoe.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah, the most recent article was like there was some recent revelation, some information that was given to them by the tribe's people about what happened.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I think maybe they should just release the documents. If you're going to release the documents, release the documents to the people on the internet.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It's all these government crashed retrieval programs and re-engineering and back-engineering.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I could absolutely be wrong, but I think that's what a lot of it is. I think we have some super sophisticated propulsion systems that are way ahead of our time. And then also, I think we're being visited. I think there's a bunch of different things happening simultaneously.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
When they say $4.7 trillion, they don't give you a timeline. That was the thing about Politico, right? There was this talk about, we gave Politico $8 million. Well, sort of. What the real story was, there's a subscription model for Politico where you get news instantaneously, and it costs like $10,000, and there was a bunch of those subscriptions that were in many different agencies. Right.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And this is over the course of eight years. Like that $8 million was from like 2016 to today.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, if you want information instantaneously, which would be very beneficial to someone in government.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
The problem is the way you say it. If you say we gave Politico $8 million, oh, those motherfuckers, that's why they're biased. And then you realize like, oh, that's not exactly what happened. So I think the people that are doing this have to make sure that they're not hyperbolic.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
But I think this is important, too, because today now they're talking about Social Security and that people are receiving Social Security that are 150 years old. But I don't think that is the reality as it's being explained by people who understand COBOL. The language and this computer programming language that they use is ancient, right?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Which is kind of crazy that they're still using that, right? It's a government.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So some guy who understands it was explaining that if certain – certain factors aren't taken into consideration or certain things aren't entered in, you know, like date of birth or when there's certain things.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
But it doesn't even necessarily mean that all these people are receiving checks.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
oh my God, we're paying dead people. Right, right, right. That's the problem with being hyperbolic. I'm going to send this to you, Jamie, because I was confused myself. And so I was like, what exactly are they saying? Because it seems like the people that understand that programming language are the ones that aren't jumping on board and saying, hey, this is what's happening.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Vampires exist amongst us. There's 300-year-old people getting Social Security. That's not what they're saying. The people that actually understand it are saying that's not really the case.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So I'll send you this, Jamie. This is this guy's explanation of it.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So in that, this is a guy that explains it. I'll read this. I hope he's correct. There's a gentleman named House of Carter on X. He said, this isn't a vampire conspiracy. It's just COBOL, C-O-B-O-L. Legacy government systems, especially Social Security, still rely on COBOL, a language designed before anyone thought databases would need to track people beyond 99 years old.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
The numbers you're laughing at aren't literal ages. They're most likely misinterpreted categorical codes or data artifacts from outdated formatting. Social Security isn't paying 150-year-olds. The system uses fixed-width fields, and when modern databases misread them, they mistakenly interpret grouping codes as real ages.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Like, what happened? So these folks— Doesn't that all look washed out, Jamie?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
This happens when old mainframe logic isn't properly translated into newer systems. So, no, there aren't thousands of people over 150 getting checks, but there are a lot of outdated systems that need modernization, maybe focus on fixing that issue instead of hyping up a non-issue. So, there's multiple people that have said the same kind of thing. Yeah.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
This guy says, I'm an old programmer, coder in today's parlance. As many old programmers know, COBOL young coders don't. When Musk claims that Social Security is paying thousands of 150-year-olds, I think someone should let him know that COBOL, in COBOL, if a data is missing, if a data is missing, the program defaults to 1875. Example, 2025, 1875 equals 150.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So for some reason, if data is missing, the program defaults to this ancient date. And it's just a problem with data.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I just think let's... So this is something to think about with Social Security, though. So there's that, which is probably a misinterpretation of data. Right. And this other one that I just sent Jamie. So there's this woman who's a whistleblower, and she's saying they were incentivized to qualify illegals for long-term disability to qualify illegals for Social Security for life.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So they were set for life. And in quote, she says, they wanted us to try to identify them in such a way that they would qualify for long-term Social Security disability. Now, long-term Social Security disability is for life. So if they got identified and qualify for long-term Social Security disability, they're as good as set up for life.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
That doesn't sound like a refugee to me, she's saying, just being honest. It sounds like someone who's planning on staying here. So they're instructed to try to identify... to try to get the client because once they arrive here, now they're called clients.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So they told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they had any headaches, reoccurring headaches, or any lower back problems, anything that would qualify them for Social Security long-term disability. Which is crazy. Yeah.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Let's listen to this lady talk about this. So this is something that, you know, when people are talking about the problems of Social Security, this seems, if she's telling the truth, this seems real. Right.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
See if you can find that out. I don't even know what that is.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
That's crazy. God. But what would be the benefit of that? The benefit of that would be you get a voter for life.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
If you are in whatever party, whether it's the Republican Party or whoever it is that allows this to happen and hooks these people up and sets them up, you would think that those people are going to vote that way for life because those are the people that gave them American citizenship essentially, gave them Social Security for life.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Like, all you have to do is tell them, look, you get this check for life. All you have to do is keep voting. And you know how to vote. You know the right way to go, right? I mean, don't vote with your fucking conscience. I want you to vote with, you know.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
My take is, if you've got a place that's awesome- and you've got a system that's awesome, expand awesomeness. Don't bring in people that aren't awesome. And don't bring in people from places that aren't awesome. So the problem is, if you bring people in that are criminals and that have a lifelong history of selling drugs and being involved in the cartel, they're not going to come over here.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
They're going to fucking... Continue to do what they've done their whole goddamn life.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So like the problem is not that the problem is where you're from sucks Yeah, so I think the best way I mean and I'm not saying we should take over all these countries and run them But the best way now you're talking that's probably the only way that would really work the way to do it is to just somehow or another encourage those countries to become more like the United States and
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So I'm trying to look at this from a bunch of different perspectives. This is a very complicated situation. It's not as simple as... you know, we need to stay out of the way of other countries' businesses.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Do you think they'll be able to do that with USAID? Do you think they'll be able to convince some of these other people that are all these USA First people that don't think we should be spending any money overseas that maybe some of this money is well spent for our best interest?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Because it's like, what is... And are you even allowed to say what you're actually doing then? Because how do we discern whether or not... How are you going to tell people that $20 million for Iraqi Sesame Street is actually a really good idea, and here's why? But how are you going to tell them that buying and owning Gaza
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Again, that's... Is the idea that we would protect American interests better if we were in control of that? And so, like, if Israel did something, if someone did something, we'd be able to respond in minutes versus in days, right?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
How do they have those kind of conversations if they don't have Ukrainian representation?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I thought it was way more than that. I thought it was $100 billion where Zelensky said he hasn't received it.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
When Zelensky says that he hasn't received $100 billion, what does that actually mean? Does it mean it just hasn't gotten to Ukraine yet?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It doesn't mean it's missing? No, it's not missing. So this is the thing that people are saying. It's like Tucker Carlson was talking about this, and he was essentially saying that there's a bunch of people that are spending money, and he went to some wealthy ski town, and these Ukrainians, they're all super wealthy, and he thinks that some of that...
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#2274 - Mike Baker
understanding or lenient you know and if they're not going to be lenient or understanding for any fraud where people are getting rich off of this right there are people that are getting rich off of this i remember there was one guy that had to resign because it turned out he had somehow or another moved around a billion dollars that he shouldn't have remember that story billion dollars and he's like well i'll just step off and so he kind of went away and he's living on a yacht and
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#2274 - Mike Baker
There's these stories and it's so confusing because, you know, we're getting the mainstream media version of what's going on versus boots on the ground. Where is the money actually going? Yeah. What is actually happening? Why did Russia actually invade in the first place?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
That was when you used to get cassettes and CDs in the mail, and you sign up. It was a big hustle with the music industry to sell more copies. And you could never unsign. You could never get rid of it. You could never get rid of it. But it made it look like they had a lot more people buying albums than they were. They weren't really buying them.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Have you ever used to say that? People used to say H-T-T-P, colon, back flag.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
They're getting them from Columbia record and you get like ten of them for a buck Yeah, everybody's like oh this sounds great, and then you get them for regular price afterwards like oh fuck this They'd send you a little cat and you'd check off which ones you want everybody defaulted nobody nobody paid Yeah, it's like all my friends did it. Oh god completely weird scam that went on in the 1980s I
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I remember Netflix started by mailing you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember that. And, yeah, you used to get a CD or a DVD in the mail.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I wonder what they would, I mean, imagine taking a kid to like 1988 and bringing them to a Blockbuster video. They would walk around and go, what is going on? Well, we don't have the internet anymore. I mean, yet. So this is how you get movies. They'd be like, shut the fuck up. You don't watch it on your phone? Like, we don't even have phones.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
If you ever showed someone a phone back then and say, someday people are going to jerk off looking at that. Yeah. They'd be like, what are you even talking about? That's the dumbest prediction of all time. That's not in Star Trek.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
If you had one of them ones that had a little portable one with the cord attached, and you'd hang it up on a desk one, You can bring a long cord if you're lucky.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And the cord's always fucking tangled. Spin the headset around to untangle the cord. People don't know.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah. And that weird. We used to be able to remember so many numbers. I only know like three or four numbers of my friends by heart. Yeah. You know, your kids numbers by heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And my wife's, and maybe a couple of my buddies that have had, like my friend Eddie's had the same phone, but he's got a new one now. So it's weird that we don't have any numbers in our head anymore.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
At a certain point in time, you're just getting bombarded by people that you don't want to talk to. And you're like, okay, there's only one way out of this.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It's not even the friends you want. It's all transactional. That's the problem. The problem is like you realize... This person only texts me when they want something.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And the texts before they want something are bullshit. The say hi texts are bullshit because it's coming.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Here comes the thing you want. Yeah. And then that comes. Yeah. I get that from- It's interesting. I've got a startup. Oh, fuck.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
You won't. If you combine work with anything, even if it's the most awesome vacation, but it's also work, you don't get credit.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Oh, you didn't even go out of your life to do this. Yeah. You kept doing the same stuff and then you added a thing.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
When you see some of the things that USAID fund, does it get you upset that they don't fund things like this?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
30 minutes outside of Aspen, my friend has a ranch and they just released wolves there a couple weeks ago. Yeah. And he's already finding, I took a photo of it and put it on my Instagram. He found a dead elk leg. The neighbors spotted the wolves and they're on his property and he has, I mean, they've released them on his ranch.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
No one let him know. That's the leg we found in the snow. No one told him. And these are big Canadian wolves that they got from BC, by the way.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It does me too. It does me too. It's just, come on. Because this is a direct...
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Where he lives, it's all ranchers. This is what's crazy. It's like they've released the wolves where the fucking livestock is. What's crazy is they had a mandate to release wolves in Colorado. So the first wolves they released, they got from Oregon, who they took out of areas where they were killing livestock.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
So they got wolves that were accustomed to killing livestock and then reintroduced them to Colorado where there's livestock. And what do you know? They start killing livestock.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Here's another thing my friend said. You can shoot them if you're killing your livestock or if they're killing a working dog. But you can't shoot them if they're killing your pet.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, in Idaho, you can kill them. In Idaho, they're giving out tags. And they're giving out tags in Montana. And this is what people need to understand. When they first reintroduced them, there was no way you could shoot them. And then it got to a point where they're like, okay, this is not just sustainable. This is a large population of animals that is doing a lot of damage. Oh, yeah.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And they do surplus hunting. So in one place in, I think it was Wyoming, they had killed like some crazy number of cow elk, like 15 or 16 of them.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
They're the only animal in North America, other than coyotes, which are actually wolves too. They're a small wolf.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
But they're the only animals that work as packs. And they're so good at it. They're so good at it. And they're so fucking smart. They're so smart. They're all psychic. They all fucking think together. They're like a hive mind.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
They're amazing animals. It's just this ballot box biology. These people that are in Denver and Boulder, they're the ones who are the big population centers. They're the ones that are voting for this. But you're not going to release wolves in the middle of downtown Denver, right? No, you're going to release them out in the area where these people voted against it.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
The area where they released them first were areas where people voted against the wolves, which is like a big fuck you to those people.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, apparently it's a pet project, no pun intended, of the governor of Colorado's husband. His husband is big on wildlife, which everybody should be.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Oh, well, yeah, not important. Not important. It is important if you live in Colorado. But the reality is it's already started. The wolves are there. And they were coming into Colorado anyway. There's Colorado wolves that were moving in from neighboring states. Colorado borders Wyoming, of course. And they don't stop at the border.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Oh, they travel hundreds and hundreds of miles. We showed a video on here once of a friend of mine filmed a wolf in Bakersfield, California. And I was like, well, these people that live out there, the ranchers that live out there, talk to me about it. One of my buddies who actually works on a ranch filmed it, filmed this wolf, and we actually played the video.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It's a big black wolf that's in a cattle field in fucking Bakersfield. It's just outside of Bakersfield. It's like off the five. Well, we had Diane Boyd on, who is a wolf reintroduction specialist. She's studied wolves her whole life. And she's not in favor of reintroduction of wolves. She thinks they should reintroduce to areas naturally, and they're going to do that anyway.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
They're going to migrate into these areas naturally, and that's the best way to let it happen. But she said they can travel hundreds and hundreds of miles. And that this wolf probably came all the way from Oregon and just made its way down. It probably wasn't even because their fear was that some crazy wildlife group is like, we're going to reintroduce the wolves ourselves.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And they're capturing these wolves and then bringing them to California. Fuck you, rancher. You should be eating soybeans and just release them. She doesn't think that. She thinks those wolves actually probably made it from the wild all the way down there because they really travel insane distances.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, it just throws a giant monkey wrench into whatever ecosystem there is. But the reality of the ecosystem in Montana, where they did reintroduce wolves, was that they were very overpopulated with elk. To the point where, well, she was explaining this. They used to have these winter seasons for cow elk. And, you know, it's basically shooting fish in a barrel because they're stuck in deep snow.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah. And you could just pick them off. And they did that because they were heavily overpopulated. The land couldn't sustain the numbers. And so they offered opportunities for hunters. Hey, it's great. You shoot an elk, you get even a cow elk, you get like 150 pounds of meat, 200 pounds of meat. And it's great. That's your meat for a year almost.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Have you ever seen the Instagram page Tourons of Yellowstone? No. It's one of my favorite. Tourons? Like morons that are tourists. Tourons of Yellowstone. It's a great Instagram page. I'll check that out. It's all assholes taking selfies with deer and selfies with bison.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It's people trying to feed bears. God. And it's all people just getting fucking thrown through the air by giant bisons.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
These people are right, this black bear is eating fish right on the edge of this lake. Holy shit. And they're getting right up to it. I mean, these kids are literally 15, 16 inches away from this fucking thing. And he gets closer too, by the way.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
He said, yeah, get our picture. Come on. I got my thumbed up.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah. He reaches over at the end of this stupid fucking video and touches it. And the bear is just like, get the fuck out of here. I'm trying to eat. They don't care. But they're so habitualized to being around people. No wild bear, a truly wild bear would ever allow this. No. This is just a bear. You know, they start eating people's garbage.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
They start taking fish from fishermen and that kind of shit. And look at this kid taking this selfie. Oh, my God. He gets closer. This fucking dumbass. Look at this fucking stupid kid. Look. Look, he's going to move in and touch it. Oh, gosh. Yeah, that could have been the end of your life, buddy. Holy shit. And look, he's got flip-flops on. These kids, they're so silly.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
No, not at all. Alaska, though. Although they are scared of people because they hunt them in Alaska. It's the only state in the United States. And they want to open up a season in Montana. And there's arguments about that right now because of the interactions that people are having with bears. This is part of what the governor of New Jersey ran on, that he was going to stop the bear hunt.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Isn't it crazy that you have to look at things through this lens of who in the furthest left, kookiest perspective is going to be offended by this bunch of white people in the desert? Yeah. If anything, it should give you a perspective on how unbelievably brutal the times were back then.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And people are like, yeah, stop the bear hunt. That shit lasted one year. And there were so many problems with bears. They said, all right, you're right, you're right. And then they reintroduced the bear hunt.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
But New Jersey has more black bears per capita than any other state in the United States, which is nuts.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
New Jersey is like Newark and Hackensack and those places, and then rural.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It's like you get into the woods of New Jersey. It's fucking real woods, and it just doesn't seem like it should be because New Jersey is the Sopranos. In our mind, it's, oh, it's Tony Soprano.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
That's what we think about with Newark. Is that your soprano voice? Big pussy.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
You know, I feel like... I feel like Charlie Brown when Lucy keeps pulling that football away. You know, like, today's the day I'm going to kick that football. And then she fucking yanks that football and Charlie goes flying through the air and lands on his head.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, Trump was quoted as saying that if you saw what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either. Right. What does that mean?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
But what could, I mean, it's not like they're going to say in the documents, we did it. So what could the documents have that would be so incriminating that they wouldn't want to release them? What would you document if you assassinated the president? We'd say, well, me and Mike were sitting over here on the grassy knoll.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, 2017, they were supposed to release them. Right. And then this was when the Trump administration didn't do it. And that's when people got mad. Yeah. Like, Hey, you said you were going to do it. And this time they are saying they're going to do it. And then they got this hot lady who's involved in all this, which is odd. It does. Well, again... Why'd they pick her?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, it's not just assassination. She's in charge of UFOs too, right?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah, but this is assuming that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, which I'm not buying into.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, if Trump really did say that, that if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either, it has to be something. And that something might be a second shooter. Well, it's not... Or more.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yes, I think so too. And I also think that if you look at the overall body of work that they've produced, it's very obvious what many of them are doing. I think there's some genuinely good people that are involved in this that really want to do good work. They're very sensitive, kind souls. They probably grew up rich. Probably grew up rich.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
He attempted suicide, a striking indication of how much he desired to remain in the Soviet Union. Showed how willing he was dramatically and decisively when he faced an emotional crisis with few readily available alternatives at hand. He was shocked to find that the Soviet Union did not accept him with open arms.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
The entry in his self-styled historic diary for October 21st, 1959 reports, I am shocked, two exclamation points. My dreams, exclamation point. I have waited two years to be accepted. My fondest dreams are shattered because of a petty official. I decided to end it. Soak fist in cold water to numb the pain, then slash my left wrist. What a pussy. The then plague wrist, oh.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Plug, then plunge, plunge wrist. Boy, can't spell plunge either. Then plunge wrist. Plunge, so he spells plunge, P-L-A-U-G. I guess it's plunge. Wrist into bathtub of hot water. Somewhere a violin plays as I watch my life whirl away. I think to myself how easy to die and a sweet death to violins. Oswald was discovered in time to thwart his attempted suicide.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
He was taken to a hospital in Moscow where he was kept until October 28, 1959. Still intent, however, in staying in the Soviet Union, Oswald went on October 31 to the American embassy to renounce his U.S. citizenship.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Mr. Richard A. Snyder, the then second secretary and senior consul officer at the embassy, testified that Oswald was extremely sure of himself and seemed to know what his mission was. He took charge in a sense of the conversation right from the beginning. He said he presented the following signed note.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I, Lee Harvey Oswald, do hereby request that my present citizenship in the United States of America be revoked. And then they let him back in the United States. So this is why the more tinfoil hat wearing amongst us say this fucking guy, he was working for the government. This is all bullshit. They were setting it up and they were using him as a patsy.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah, is he sitting there in his office drinking Diet Coke, reading the documents?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, you have long said that you think that the Martin Luther King Jr. assassination was fishy.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Um, but I think there's a lot of, a lot of grifters too, unfortunately. And the grifters, they've, they've been so egregious and obvious that I think it's turned a lot of people up. Even rational, kind, compassionate, progressive people are like enough. This is fucking stupid.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
That's why it's fun to think like what are they going to – what's the JFK document? What is the MLK? What are they going to tell us about UFOs? But how much are they documenting? Like if someone is involved in killing the president, I would imagine they wouldn't write that down.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Wasn't it also a problem with so much time has passed that the waters are so muddy? In terms of like trying to see clearly exactly what happened and when it went down and how it went down. Unless they did somehow or another document everything, which seems insane that they thought that they would just tuck that away somewhere.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Especially when you hear like the, the anti stuff. It's not just like pro whatever you are. It's anti whatever you're not. And then you realize, okay, this is not rational. This is cult-like thinking. And this is a thing where if you don't agree, the punishment is very grave. Like they'll go after you so hard if you don't agree with them. And then you kind of realize what it is.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It seems much more likely that that would be something that you would have a conversation about in a closed room and you would, you know.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
My friend Evan Hafer has an interesting perspective on it, special forces guy. He thinks that those guys who got fucked over at the Bay of Pigs when they didn't get air support from Kennedy, that if you were going to find a group of hardened individuals that were essentially assassins for the government, those would be the guys that would have a bone to pick with JFK.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, also, he fucked them over because they got him elected in Chicago and they turned on them and then they started investigating them and they're like, hey, motherfucker.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
The MKUltra version is the best version. That's Sirhan Sirhan, Charles Manson, everything. I say it again, but read Chaos by Tom O'Neill, ladies and gentlemen.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Did you see the most recent thing that people are saying about China? I think Kurt Metzger sent it to me, so I know it's got to be accurate. He's not out of his fucking mind. Something about some new thing that they found, some Chinese mind control thing. You saw that, Jamie?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Wait a minute. What are you talking about? What I'm talking about is some mind control thing that they're involved with, with like their version of like a neural link.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
There's more than one different scenario that they're picking.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
This is someone burned 500. Yeah, this is it. ETH to accuse Chinese hedge fund CEOs of using brain control, brain computer weapons. Allegations of mind control tech spark a crypto donation spree amid intrigue in Chinese finance circles. Yeah, this is it. So this dude, how do you say that name? Hu Lezi? Hu Lezi.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Hu Lezi burned 603 ETH to allege Chinese hedge fund CEO's use of brain computer weapons. Large donations totaling of 1,950 ETH. That's Ethereum? Ethereum. were made to various addresses, including WikiLeaks in Ukraine.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
A self-identified Chinese programmer has burned 603 ETH, approximately $1.65 million, and donated 1,950 ETH, approximately $5.35 million, through a series of blockchain transactions while making allegations against executives of a Chinese hedge fund. And so this guy, I don't understand why he's donating the money. Yeah, I'm not getting this. So people would see it, essentially.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Okay, he sent 500 ETH to the Byrne address with this message. The CEO of Kwande Investment, Feng Jin and Yuji, how do you say it?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yuji used brain computer weapons to persecute all company employees and former employees and And even they themselves were controlled. Like what? Okay. The individual identifying as Hu Leizi sent multiple on-chain messages accusing Quande Investment CEO Feng Jin and Zhu Zhuzi of using what they term brain computer weapons against employees and former employees.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Quande Investment, known as Wizard Quant, is a hedge fund specializing in quantitative trading. Hmm, that old story. Yeah, so scroll down. It says, this is a new mode of crime in which the victim is gradually deprived of his senses of desire until he becomes a complete slave to the digital machine. And if one day I become a victim of the final stage, I will leave the world.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
As the brain-computer interface and mind-reading technology keeps developing, there is a new mode of crime in which wild animals become puppets or complete slaves to the digital machine.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, it could be just China bullshitting us and saying that they have this.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
And, you know, I wonder what's the method they're supposedly using to control these people's minds. Like it was pretty vague slaves to the digital machine. Like what,
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Elaborates on alleged activities they're engaged in, which include deploying brain computer chips to control all citizens until they become complete slaves to the digital machine. Simingdi distraught Lei Xi, who described himself as an ordinary computer programmer and entrepreneur. That's what I would say, too, if I work for the Chinese government.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
claims he's been controlled by the mind control organization from the time he was born, but only discovered he's being manipulated in October 2022. So from the time he was born, they had a chip in his brain? Is that what he's saying? That's not real.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Because they didn't have that back then. Yeah. I'm concerned over the legitimacy of this. Or if they did, how would it still be active in your brain? Like, how do you not have brain cancer? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, it's been a very pain. I mean, maybe it's real. I'm just fucking around here. Uh, maybe, uh, it's been a very painful in the last two years. Lazy wrote.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Now I have completely lost my dignity as a human being. I've decided to leave this world. I hope this ugly world will be destroyed soon. Oh, well that guy sounds like a whole bunch of fun.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Yeah. That's the problem with today. It's like there's so many bullshit stories. That sounds fun to say. Mind control.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
The thing about the release of those documents, though, that seems to me that that's something that you would document. Yes. Rather than say, I killed JFK, where do I sign? Instead of that... That's more tangible. If the government had recovered some crash in 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico, and it really was an alien spaceship, that seems like something they would document.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Well, when you've got guys like David Grush, who's the whistleblower that comes out and says, not only do we have these ships, but we have biological entities.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
I feel like at this point in our culture, the divisions are so fucking crazy, and it's so counter to what America should be standing for, which is a United States, United Country, a community, a large group of people that all agree on a few very key rules, one of them being freedom. Right. And I think that seems logical. Yeah. We've got to stop. This division is set up not by us.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
As an individual, right? He explained on the podcast that he's authorized to say what he's already said, but nothing more, and he has to be very careful. But then again, it's like, how do I know?
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Also, if I was going to obscure some sort of a government propulsion system that's like 50 years ahead of anything we could imagine, that's how I would do it. I'd obscure it by saying, oh, there's some fucking alien technology that's available, and we don't really know how to use it, but they do visit us from time to time, and occasionally they crash.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
But now the Trump administration has said they were running some tests, and those were ours.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
It's been a blast, as always. Tell everybody about your show, where they can watch it. Oh, thank you. And listen to the presidential briefing.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Here it is. The President's Daily Brief with Mike Baker. Subscribe, YouTube, President's Daily Brief on YouTube.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
Thank you, Mike. Appreciate you. All right. Bye, everybody.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, I've had friends that have a different perspective on the Obama situation. And my friend Willie was talking to me about this. And he was saying that what happened was when you look, one thing that we can be sure of is that race is surreal. There are real racists in this country. There's real anti-black racists, anti-Asian racists.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Hey, great to be back. Thanks for having me. Your movie is really funny. It's really funny. By myself, laughing out loud hysterically today. I watched it in the sauna. I watched it in the gym. I watched it... It was... It's one of the best comedies I've seen in a long time. Because there's so many moments that are so uncomfortable. That means a lot. I appreciate that. Yeah.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There's certain people that have hateful ideology in this country, just a certain percentage of them in the world. Those are real. And when Obama became president, those people became more emboldened.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And he said that he saw a lot more of that online and a lot more attacks, especially in uncensored online forums like 4chan and places where you can kind of get away with saying whatever the fuck you want. He said he saw a lot more of that on the streets.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And he said this is probably why he believed Michelle Obama didn't want to run for president, because she experienced so much of that hate while they're in the White House. Forget about hate for their policies and what you think about them as president and vice and first lady, but the racism hate.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So his perspective as a black guy was like, you had to be a black person to realize how angry people were that there was a black guy who was president, because that was real, too. It was real that racism in American racial relations in America had changed radically since the 1960s, certainly since the 1920s and 30s. And over the years, it's kept getting better. But in his mind...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
there was something that happened where when Barack Obama got into the White House that the real hardcore racist got very vocal and he experienced it. And I think this is akin in some ways to what's going on with anti-Semitism online because I think there's always been a certain amount of people in this country and in the world that are like deeply anti-Semitic. And they just don't like Jews.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And when something happens where all of a sudden now it's OK to criticize Jews because of Israel's position in Gaza and what they've done, now you see anti-Semitism just pop out of the woodwork. I think there's something like that where people feel emboldened to talk about things. So maybe we just don't have an accurate account of how fucked up some people are.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But the general population, whether you're conservative or whether you're liberal, everybody kind of agrees that racism is a stupid thing. There's amazing people of all ethnicities and colors, and you should judge people, like Martin Luther King said, by the content of their character. We all agree with that. But there's a certain amount of people that are always going to be racist.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But when you start looking for it everywhere and saying everything is racist, first of all, it's an insult to real racism. It's an insult to the people that are the victims of real racism. When you consider microaggressions or cutting in line in front of you to get ice cream, there's people that are real victims of racism.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And pretending that everything is racist just minimizes that and, in fact, probably makes more people racist. It's going to make a bunch of dumb liberals drop to their knees or give you money for reparations. But it's going to make a bunch of other people really resentful. And it just polarizes us and drives people further and further apart. It's just genuinely stupid.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That's what we're hoping for. The Robin DiAngelo one where you gave that guy money for reparations and you got her. She thought it was uncomfortable. Yeah.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, business is booming. But the other thing is, like, think about Robert D'Angelo, who you said just lives in her own bubble and really didn't know who you were and didn't catch on at any point in time that any of this stuff was ridiculous. Right. Like these people that this if that's all you think about and that's all you like.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I have friends that live in California and every now and then I'll talk to them and some politics issue will come up and they give me this fucking CNBC. They give me this MSNBC, this fucking propaganda viewpoint on something that's so wrong, just so. And I just go, OK, I can't like you're you're in.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
in your bubble there's no there's no real discourse there's no real there's no discussions about whether or not what these people are saying is correct it's just you're a part of this tribe and this is what you believe and I think that's the case with these anti-racist people too. Some of them might be like just hardcore grifters.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Like they could be playing three-card money or they could just get corporations to give them money by saying that everybody's racist. There's some people that are definitely like that. But there's other people that are just – that's their friend group. Like that's their social circle.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Their social circles, all people believe this stupid shit and they all yap it to each other and they say it like it's a mantra and they pray five times a day with it. You know, it's really like a religious thing.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, they're getting out of it, first of all, they're terrified of being called racists. So they jump the gun. So they headed off at the path. Like, I'm going to make sure I'm not racist. So I'm going to become an anti-racist.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You know, I talked about this before, but when my kids were young, like my youngest was pretty young when they started doing this anti-racism thing at the school where they said it's not enough to be not – this was actually right after we left. So it was right after like the George Floyd things popped off. They said it's not good enough to not be racist. You have to be anti-racist.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You're talking about some of these kids – in that school are six like what are you saying it's not enough what what are you saying you saying a six-year-old has to be an anti-racist can't they just play with their toys can't they just go to the park and hang out with their friends can't they just play sports can't they just enjoy each other six-year-olds don't give a fuck what color somebody is
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They don't. They all just play together. They just want to play with the people who are nice to them and who they have fun with and laugh with. And here you've got some fucking grifter who latches themselves onto some school system that's filled with all these terrified liberals that are just terrified of being called out for anything. And all the rules are changing and everybody's like, oh!
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And the other thing that happens with kids is... If you have a thing like you're telling the kid they have to be anti-racist, well, some kids are going to use that as a platform to increase whatever social cred that they have. And they get feedback from it. It's positive feedback. And they get very vocal. And the more vocal, the more people are impressed.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And the more work they do, the more people are going, you're doing great work. And then you get what's essentially like the racial version of Greta Thunberg. Like, what is that lady? That lady's moral outrage at what have you done? How dare you? And everybody's like, yes, we like what you just did. And so now you do it all the time.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And so now somehow or another, a 16-year-old kid travels all over the world telling everybody they're bad. Flying around in jets, telling everybody they're bad for ruining the environment. And she gets to feel... Morally superior, morally superior, virtuous. And for a child to be in a position where they become virtuous is, you know, they love that. They love that.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yes. College kids love to do that. The moment they're out of their house, the moment they don't have their parents telling them what to do anymore, now they can tell other people what to do. And it's just like – it's one thing that you see online from people who have been bullied in the past.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Um, the people that have been picked on and fucked with, boy, they like to do it to people like online on Twitter mobs. They like to jump in. And I know a lot of people that have, that I've known a lot of people that have engaged in these things. I've, I know them personally, these feeble, weak, terrified men.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And they say the most heinous things about people like uncharitable, not knowing like what, what kind of response these words are going to have in that person. Um, And they bully these people because they've been hurt. You know, it's that hurt people hurt people thing. That's what it is. But they don't think it's as bad as bullying like in real life. Bullying is terrible.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You're going to hit somebody? How dare you, you fucking monster. Well, you're emotionally scarring people online every day. And you think you're doing it through this. It's like one of the things, Elon's talked about this, that one of the things that woke does, it allows really mean people. This ideology allows really mean people.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I think it does too. And I also think it ramps up anxiety in a huge way for the people that are actually engaging in it. The people that actually do it, I think they're just fully anxious all day long. And I think it's terrible for mental health. Even if you're like quote unquote winning these verbal battles online that you're engaging in, I think it's terrible for everybody.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's really terrible for the people that are just like all day long negative. Like there's an arguing with people. Like why do you want that in your life? That's a very unusual position to be in where all day long you're in conflict. That's only war. Yeah. In the real world, most of the day, there's no conflict. That's why conflict is so uncomfortable, because it's so unusual.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you're used to conflict with people all the time, and you see some guy, and he's like, fuck you. No, fuck you. But if you're not used to someone saying, fuck you, and then all of a sudden, hey, fuck you, and you're like, what? Like, you're terrified. You're freaked out. Like, what's going on? Oh, my God, this is conflict.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
The kind of conflict, verbal conflict, that people engage in online all day long has the same sort of effects on your psyche. You are perceiving the world to be this. This is one of the things that's so polarizing about this particular election, right?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That people are willing to accept propaganda because it feeds into their view of the world, which is that they're engaged in this moral battle, good versus evil. And both sides think they're good, and both sides think the other side is going to be the end of the world. And it's accentuated heavily by mentally ill people that are on Twitter all day long.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If I was not a quote-unquote public figure, I would be off everything.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I have a problem, too, in that I'm a comedian and that I'm also a gold miner, right? So what that means is when I'm going through my news feed, my news feed is the thing I'm the most addicted to. I'm mining for gold. Like, what's going on here? What'd they do? They did what? They fucking what? And I need those. Those are really important to me because, like, those can be my next hour of stand-up.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Those can be—they're chunks. And it's not every day. It's like I can go through 30 days of nonsense and just not one thing. But every now and then, there's a chunk of gold in there. I'm like, oh, I got one. And then I put that in my notes, and I justify endless scrolling to get to those gold nuggets.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
really intense curiosity i'm really curious about all kinds of things there's so many subjects i'm really really interested in i mean i would i would for sure still be paying attention to you know science issues and space travel and you know new discoveries and the universe and there's a bunch of stuff that i would just be ancient history ancient civilizations i would be there's no way i would not be fascinated by them because they almost have nothing to do with my job
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
The problem is if you do and you do it just once and then you get feedback and then people say, hey, I really like what you posted. Oh, great. And then and then all of a sudden you're connected and then you're like looking for this feedback. So you're trying to post things to get likes and you're trying to post things to get reposts and get comments and you're engaging in the comments.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And now now it's now you're fucked. Now you're locked into this weird ecosystem with these people you don't even know. They might be all stupid. They might be all really annoying people that you would avoid in real life. Like if you work with them, you're like, oh, there's Tom. Let me get the fuck out of here. And you go to the other side of the office. But now you're engaging with them.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
People that you avoid having conversations with, you are now in mortal combat with words on Twitter. And it's fucking stupid.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I feel like you got your money's worth with her, seeing as it's $15,000. But I feel like you got robbed by the lady that got upset about the mascot.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I mean, you're the product of what you take in, even if that information is, like, low impact. It's not the same impact as being there when the hitmen show up and gun the guys down in front of the cafe. I've seen these videos where it's just mass shootings. This one video I saw the other day of some gang violence situation.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
These guys drove by, gunned these guys down, and then the guys started shooting back, and they were all shot while they're shooting back. Then the car backs up, and then they gunned them down more. It's fucking crazy. But it's not the same as being there. If you were there, that would haunt you for the rest of your life.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you were across the street and you watched that happen, you watched these people die, it would haunt you for the rest of your life. But you get a little blip. Instead of getting a 100% dose, you get a little 1% dose. A little 1% dose. And you get them all day long. And by the end of the day, you're just like, what the fuck is the world?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right. It's a horrible thing to see. But it's like Twitter in that it's not a full experience. If you were having the kind of exchanges that some people have with each other where they're just ruthlessly insulting and shitty to people, if you were having those in person, there's a high probability that that's going to lead to violence. Actual violence.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Like if two men are in a room and one man starts insulting this other person like really like viciously and talking about their life and their family and all kinds of crazy shit that people do online. There's a probability. It's more than zero percent that this is going to result in violence. But there's zero possibility of it online. It's just it's just free. It's a free shot.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And that's a part of the problem as well, is that it's not a real human interaction. So you're getting like these little doses of shittiness from people, but you're not getting this one burst where you and this guy are about to throw down because he's like he's insulting you to the point where like this person is actually dangerous. Like this is actually this person hates me.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Like this could be a real bad situation here. And I think much like that exists on Twitter where you have these little shitty interactions, it's like 1% of real hate and it just adds up over time. That's the same thing as seeing violence, seeing all these executions, seeing all these botched robberies, seeing all these people that get murdered in some third world country.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You just get a little tiny piece of it all the time and it normalizes it. It's probably really, really bad for us.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, that's what they want. That's what people want to do when they say things like that. Like this is my opinion. And a lot of it is like really out of line. Like a lot of it is just like the worst possible – like I said before, like the least charitable takes, the least nuanced, this ridiculous caricature of a human being just to try to –
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Just to try to demonize them to make yourself look virtually or virtuously Superior, it's just dumb. It's a dumb way for people to communicate and the kind of people that do it are all losers Yeah, there's no like really exceptional fascinating people that engage in that kind of stuff Well the thing that gets me I don't mind when people insult me.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, it's also who knows who's doing it. And at this point in time, we have to accept the reality of propaganda. And that there, you know, we've talked about this ad nauseum, but I'll say it again. There was an FBI former analyst did some sort of a study on Twitter where he was estimating the amount of bots versus this is like right around the time when Elon was saying that it's more than 5%.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
He said he thinks it's about 80%. He thinks 80% of the accounts. Yeah. 80% of the accounts are fake accounts. which just stop and think about if you're in a country, okay? Let's imagine you want the politics of America to swing in a certain direction because we most certainly do this in other countries.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I mean, we don't have to educate people on the long history of interventionist foreign policy where we have gone in and installed new leaders of countries and organized all kinds of shit. So we do it and we do it and we know they do it. But isn't it like the cheapest way to do it? Wouldn't it be to do it on social media? Yeah. And if you did it, why would you do it with one account?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Why wouldn't you have a million accounts? I would have a million accounts. You just gotta get a computer that keeps making new accounts. And you run a program, it's not the most difficult thing to do. For people that know how to actually code operating systems, you don't think there's someone out there that can code a computer program
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
that can operate millions of different Twitter accounts, and you run it through some sort of AI that you've developed, some large language model on things to say about MAGA, or things to say about abortion, or things to say about conservatives, or things to say about liberals, and you put a fucking American flag in your little bio, or you put a pronoun thing, he, her, zee, zur, whatever it is, and then you just flood the internet with fake anger.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
and fake discourse, and you lie about people, and you, anytime there's a post about anything controversial, you insert something in there that gets people even more riled up, you could get people, you could swing the vote. You could swing the vote in one way or another, especially with fence-sitters, with people that are not sure, like, I don't know, is Trump really the answer?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
No one ever found out who the identity of the mascot is? No.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And then you get online, and you see all this hateful shit, or you might get on a MAGA forum, and you go, oh, they are eating cats. He was telling the truth. ABC's biased. And you could swing it one way or the other. And I think they're all trying to manipulate it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
All these foreign governments, and I think internally in the United States, I'm sure there are groups that are doing it too, that are manipulating things in one way or the other in a disingenuous way because it's available. And I don't know how to stop it. I think the only way for you to not personally be really... affected by it is you have to understand that it exists.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It would have been hilarious if it was a person of color.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And then you have to recognize that, you know, some of these takes are not even real human beings. So instead of saying, Jesus Christ, people would think that way, go, maybe not. Like maybe this isn't, maybe there's a few people that think that way, but you're being led to believe that it's a huge movement of people. When it might not be.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But the problem is when it even if it's fake, people are so stupid that even if it's a fake thing that becomes a bit of a movement online with fake dumb people will jump in there and then it'll become a real thing. Yeah. Like you're aware of the the free bleeding movement that 4chan pushed. Yeah, I think I heard of that.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It became real. That's what I'm saying. Or flat Earth is the same thing. It became a joke. People were fucking around at first. We've known the Earth has not been flat for a long-ass time. But now that's totally real. Now it's totally real. Now there's massive groups of people that think the Earth is flat. Which isn't. I can't. I can't. I don't know how that – yeah. Yeah, you can't.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But the thing is that's how dumb people are, that you can have a fake thing and say it enough times and enough people jump in and be on board with it, and then it becomes a real thing. And then you don't even have to use propaganda anymore. These morons are doing it for you.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, it's just people that really are not educated. That's number one. And people that believe that there's a collusion that's so large that all of the space agencies from Japan, from China, from Russia, all of them are liars. That all of them are colluding together to hide the true shape of the earth.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And you got to imagine you can't see real good with that fucking costume. You ever put a mascot costume on?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because if we really knew the earth is flat, then it always is connected to some sort of a Bible thing. Like it's the firmament and they believe that we're hiding the fact that God is real. And somehow there's some mass conspiracy that all these world governments and every person that ever was involved in the space agencies, they've all hid from us.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I used to believe in the moon landing. You don't anymore? I had a joke in my act about it, that before COVID, I would have told you vaccines are the most important invention in human history. And after COVID, I'm like, I don't think we went to the moon. Yeah, I know that was in your – but do you actually think that? I think there is a less than zero possibility that we did not go to the moon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Oh, my gosh. I know. Why do you think we went to the moon?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I don't argue with any of the things you're saying. But one of the things that I think you have to consider was... If it's not possible for human beings to safely go through the Van Allen radiation belts and out into deep space without much protection and face the temperatures that are on the surface of the moon, which get up to 250 degrees and 250 degrees below zero in the shadows.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There's no environment there. It's hostile beyond belief. Micrometeorites are flying into the moon all the time. They're flying through space all the time. We've never had a single biological organism go out into deep space, pass the Van Allen radiation belts, and then come back to Earth and come back alive, except human beings during the Apollo missions.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Duncan and I did a whole podcast where we pretended to be furries. Every podcast we do, we dress up. We'll dress up like Star Wars people or whatever. Spaceship people. We did a podcast as furries. We kept the helmets on for maybe five minutes. We're like, I can't fucking do it. And we both took them off. Props to the furries. If you could run around with this thing on, this is hard to do.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Every single space station mission, every single space shuttle mission, All of them are inside 350 miles from the Earth's surface. The only time human beings have ever been past that and through the Van Allen radiation belts was the Apollo missions. And we were the only humans that were ever able to do that. The Russians never figured out how to do it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
No one else figured out how to do it but the Apollo astronauts. And we did it seven times, six successfully from 1969 to 1972. If you said to me, do you think that they could fake the moon landing today? I would say no. I would say no, no, no, no. People are going to be able to track it. It's very easy. They have satellites. They're going to know everything.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But in 1969, the technology was so crude that when they first showed the Apollo 11 landing – They didn't even show a direct feed to the networks. So like if you're on CBS News, you don't get a direct feed. What you do is you point a camera at a projection screen. So that's why the film looks so shitty.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
The camera is pointed to a projection screen where you see the astronauts jumping around on the moon. And you see this weird, grainy, third-generation image, right? And we did it, and we have never done it since. And we've always said we're going to do it, and no one's ever even come close. No one's ever even gone into deep space since 1972. We also haven't been trying. We haven't been trying.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But we always talk about going back, including Herbert Walker Bush talked about going back. George W. talked about going back. They all talk about going back, but nobody ever gets anywhere. Right.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
We didn't just lose that. We lost all the technology from the Saturn V rocket. They don't even have that anymore. In fact, they don't even have the original film. They erased all the original footage of the Apollo missions. So you just have copies of everything.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you can get through the Van Allen radiation belts into deep space with human beings and have them safely come back.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I see what you're trying to say. The evidence that they went to the moon, there's a bunch, right? There's moon rocks, that's one. There's lunar reflectors that they placed on the moon, that's another. And there's a couple problems with those. First of all, the Soviets put laser reflectors on the moon as well.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And also the moon itself, in many places where you shine lasers on it, it bounces back by itself. The reflective quality of the moon, the reason why the moon is so bright and white in the sky when the sun hits it, you get a certain amount of bounce back off of different things with lasers. Um, there's some photographs that are interesting. What was it? Was the India?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
What was the one where they got the most high resolution photos of the lander?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
One of the things that's interesting is they gave a moon rock to, um, was it a prime minister of Holland? Is that what it was? Which one was the moon rock they gave that turned out to be petrified wood? So the Apollo astronauts gave a moon rock to some foreign dignitary, and it turned out to be a piece of petrified wood.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They do have samples of moon rocks that came from the moon, but we also have those on Earth. In fact, Wernher von Braun in 1968, I believe, went to Antarctica. There's all these photographs of him in Antarctica. Antarctica is a great place to take moon rocks because Antarctica is just this gigantic sheet of white, and you can spot the meteorites in the ground. So this is the photo.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
This is from what? What is this from? What is the – so this is an – yeah, Indian Space Research Organization's – I don't know how to say that word – Shandipur. Chandrayaan-2 orbiter captured images of NASA's Apollo 11 and 12 landing sites and lunar modules from 100-kilometer altitude. Apollo 12 image astronaut boots tracks are still even visible.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Due to the recent interest in another post I shared, I decided to download and view the raw imagery. So that looks like there's some kind of thing on the moon. Pretty good evidence. It is evidence that something's on the moon. It's not evidence that human beings went to the moon. See, we have things that are on the moon. We have things on Mars right now.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
We had things that were – we'd shot things into space for sure.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's not proof in and of itself, but it is evidence. Listen, I'm not saying we didn't go to the moon. What I'm saying is the subject is complex. And it's not even a little complex. It's really complex. Yeah. There's a documentary called The Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
This guy Bart Sebrell, he was a guest on the show too, been obsessed about this his whole life and absolutely believes that we never went to the moon. And there's enough shit that you go, okay, if he's right about any of these things, it's weird.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
One of the things was some of the photographs of the moon, they ran through one of those AI detectors that can tell you whether or not something's false or artificially generated. And it showed different images from, I think it was a Chinese satellite of the moon. They said this is legitimate. But then it got to these Apollo images and they said these have been doctored. Who said that?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I don't think so. I think they only ran a few images through. See if you can find those, Jamie. Find what they did. Again, this is not saying that we didn't go to the moon. It could be. And this was a fact with the Gemini 15 program where Michael Collins – there was a photograph of Michael Collins that they took in one of his –
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
One of his training exercises where he had those packs that they put on where they can move around while they're doing moonwalks. Not moonwalks, spacewalks outside of a – where they're connected by a tether. And he was like in this harness and manipulating this device.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And what they had done is taken a photograph of him training and then someone, probably some overzealous PR person, had taken that photograph and then blacked out the background and – tried to pass it off as a really clear photograph of him out there on a spacewalk, which is probably very difficult to get, right? You'd have to have another person at the camera frame it, right? They had this photo.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They're like, look, he did it. Let's just pass this off as the real thing, which is, you know, you're also talking about the Nixon administration where they were just full of shit constantly.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah. So there's different video where they ran it through and they said it was real. Was it a Chinese program? But when they ran the American ones, the American images, they said that they were doctored. Again, it doesn't mean that we didn't go to the moon, but it does mean, okay, there's that. That's weird. Have you ever seen the Apollo 11 post-flight press conference? No. Yeah.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It looks like a hostage video. Looks like a bunch of guys who don't want to be there. They look real fucking nervous and they look real deceptive. If you watch that video, it's weird.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Not necessarily for the best. Well, there's actually like a psychological condition that they talk about, this sort of understanding that we're all connected. It's like akin to a religious experience that many astronauts get when they go up to the space station and look down at the Earth and go, oh, my God, what are we doing?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Like we're all together in this thing and we're so alone in the universe. And for us to be fighting over these trivial differences and these stupid lines in the dirt that we draw when we are like just clinging to this ball in the middle of everything.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But I think that's a weird way to frame it, right? Is there evidence of a hoax of the JFK assassination that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? Do you think there's evidence? Well, but the event itself being that JFK was killed happened. Right, but that's not the conspiracy. So the conspiracy is, did he act alone? And is there evidence that he didn't act alone? What do you think?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah. Right. I don't know exactly what happened. Nobody does. Exactly. Same exact perspective. Same exact perspective about this moon thing. Like it may have happened, but this was a time of deep deception in the American world. This is a time after Operation Northwoods. This is a time after the Kennedy assassination. This is a time.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I mean, this is a weird fucking shaky time in terms of propaganda. This is after Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex. This is like there was a lot of deception. Gulf of Tonkin incident. There's a lot of open deception. that the American people were being subject to. And then there's this Cold War between us and Russia, this space war for superiority.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, that's not even evidence. Real evidence would be some sort of documentation, some sort of a way to go over – There's a binary code that shows the distance between the Earth and the lunar module at every stage of the journey. But that's missing. That stuff's missing. All the tracking data, they can't find it. All the original footage is missing.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And that could just be people are really bad with historical items. That's possible. But to say that... faking the moon landing would be a bigger achievement than actually going to the moon. I would say only if people could actually go to the moon. So here's the question.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Can we really, everyone wants to dismiss it, can we really send a biological entity into space, go through that radiation, which is thick, covering the earth, and have it come back alive? Well, supposedly... This is the only time people had done it. And supposedly the way they did it was by going through the top area of the of the earth where the Van Allen radiation belts.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's like kind of like a donut that surface that covers the earth. It's not uniform. And there's an area at the top where you can go out. But according to Bart Sabrell, they didn't go that way because he would have had to launch from Antarctica to do that. It's not really possible that that happened, that they went that way.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So he thinks that if they did go through that, there is no other examples of living things that have done that and come back alive. And they've known that this is an issue. They've known that this Van Allen radiation belts, which is this band of heavy radiation that covers the earth and protects us. They've known that it's out there because they tried to blow it up once.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There was a thing called Operation Starfish Prime where they launched one of several nuclear bombs into the radiation belt to try to blow a hole through it. When did that happen? 67 maybe? It was Starfish Prime. But it did the opposite effect. Why did they do that? They wanted to see what happens. Shits and giggles? Well, they had so much power.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And, you know, you've got nuclear bombs and you can't blow people up, but you're still doing studies. So they're doing tests all throughout Nevada. I mean, that's what killed John Wayne. John Wayne got cancer because he was working on a set doing a Western. right next to where they were blowing up nuclear bombs. Like 200 people on the set got cancer.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Starfish Prime, high altitude nuclear test conducted by the United States, a joint effort of the Atomic Energy Commission and the Defense Atomic Support Agency, July 9th, 1962. So this is like while Kennedy was in office. They were trying to figure out how to, we will get to the moon, not in this decade, but in the other, or whatever he said. High altitude nuclear test.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So the thing it did, unfortunately, was it supercharged the bands and it made it have much more radiation. Not only that, it blew out power in some parts of Hawaii, I think. I think it cooked a few satellites, right? We talked about this the other day. It cooked a few satellites.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If they did. Well... Listen, we know they sent people into near-Earth orbit. That's a fact.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because we actually can see that. We can see where they launched. You can follow the trajectory. You can know about the propulsion units that they used. You know about what they were trying to accomplish. And you can watch it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They never even tried that. They just did it. Right. That's what's even crazier.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
The last time they did it was 1972. You don't think that's a little weird? Not really. No, no, no, no. Listen, listen. Even if they did go to the moon, let's say, I'll say they went to the moon. It's fucking weird. Everything from 1969 is easier, cheaper, and faster to reproduce today, except the moon landing, except space travel. I just don't think there's a will.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Do you know how much fucking resources there is on the moon? Do you know how many valuable minerals are on the moon? And trillions of dollars of things that are very difficult to find in the United States are on the moon?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I don't think that these days – I think we should care about that, but most people don't care about – If we found out that we didn't have to dig for lithium, that we could just go to the moon and pull giant chunks of it out and not have slave labor and no one has to feel bad about using your iPhone, you don't think that they would do that? Of course they would do that if they could.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you could have a mining station on the moon, no problem at all, totally safe, of course they would do that. It only takes two weeks to get there. People mine in northern territories. People mine in Canada in these horrible conditions, fucking freezing cold out.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But that's a crazy one to say that someone cutting in front of you a selfish act is somehow racist. That's like looking for racism everywhere. Because that kind of situation is so normal. It's so normal that some dick cuts in front of you.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right, but it's so valuable. I know. The idea that they wouldn't do that and they haven't done anything even remotely close to that since 1972 is weird. I agree that it's...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's very unusual. It's unusual technologically. It's incongruent. It's incongruent with technological progression. We have that with everything else. Everything else. Phones are in your fucking pocket now, and they have more computing power than the entire cluster that they used to launch the Apollo program. The Apollo program was a fucking giant room full of computers.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Your phone is significantly more powerful than that. Everything else got better except that. We thought that people were going to be going to space all the time. You ever watch that TV show Space 1999 when you were a kid? No. You're younger than me. There was a stupid show called Space 1999, and they thought, boy, by 1999, we'll be flying around spaceships and people will be living on the moon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Every time they've done in the past, like after the moon landings, every time they did any sort of science fiction movie, it always involved colonies already established on the moon and on Mars and people traveling. Because we thought that was going to happen. Orville and Wilbur Wright, right? Think about the launch of the first airplane.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And then the launch of the Apollo program, it's only like 60 years. It's kind of crazy. The launch of the first airplane ever and dropping nuclear bombs out of an airplane is only like, what is it, 50 years? I think it's something kooky. Yeah. 50, 60 years. That's nuts.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But then now you have supersonic jets like 100 years later. Now you have insane capabilities of like Air Force fighter jets. unbelievable power and maneuverability far beyond anything anybody would have possibly imagined when Orville and Wilbur had that stupid fucking bird-looking flimsy thing. So everything progresses technologically, except...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Here's the problem with what you're saying. The American people don't get a say in whether or not we do things. They don't get a say in whether or not we make a space shuttle. They don't get to decide whether or not we establish a new space station. No one talks about it. They just do it. We barely get a say in how much money goes to Ukraine.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right, but how much is funded to go to Ukraine? All of a sudden, they had $175 billion plus to fund this proxy war. Who decided that? It wasn't the American people.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But what my point is, is that if you had a skillful politician who got on television and explained that we have found a solution to all of our energy problems and it's mining on the moon. And through this mining on the moon, we are going to increase the overall way of life for every single human being on on America's soil. We are going to raise everybody above the poverty level.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Nobody wants to be reasonable. Nobody wants to say, well, is that like you just say, oh, wow. You know, you have to listen to it. That's part of the problem. Like you can't say, are you sure that's racist? Because then you're a racist apologist and then you're racist by proxy.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There'll be no impoverished people because we have literally found trillions of dollars. And very, very valuable minerals. And by using our United States taxpayer funds to fund this program and to finance it, we are going to allow the entire country to share in some of this wealth. And we're going to change energy distribution and consumption in this country in an incredible way.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's going to be beneficial to everybody. And it's going to make a bunch of people really rich, too. But it's going to change the quality of life for every person in this country. And this is how we're going to do it. Everybody will be on board.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right, but you could make that case with the amount of minerals and the amount of valuable resources you can get, not just from the moon, but also from mining asteroids, which they're attempting to do now. If you can get people out there, if you really can get people out there... So here's the question.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you couldn't do it, if they knew they couldn't do it, but they wanted to show that they could do it, could they... compartmentalize things, could they feed a computer program that is, instead of the actual binary data that shows the distance between the lunar module and the surface of the Earth at any given time, could they just calculate that out with computers? Of course they could.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, that's possible. Could they, if they couldn't get human beings into deep space and have them come back alive because they couldn't figure out a way to get through the Van Allen radiation belts and survive micrometeors and all the other shit that you deal with, could they... get enough people to shut the fuck up because it's in the best interest of national security.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Of course they could, especially in 1969. People were fucking terrified. They had just killed the president six years earlier. People were absolutely terrified of getting... under the sights of the intelligence agencies. And if you have top secret clearance, if you're involved in some sort of a project, like look at the Manhattan Project. People kept their fucking mouth shut.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They knew they were working on something of importance that was above and beyond their need to yap about shit.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because you actually have a real space program. So the space program's not fake, right? So let's just assume I'm a non-believer. I would tell you that the space program was absolutely real. The Saturn V rocket was absolutely real. The modules, the way they were able to parachute down into the ocean, 100% real. They did go into space. But how far did they go? This is the real question. And Bart...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Sibrel, the guy who made this documentary, he asserts that they went somewhere into Earth's orbit, like, you know, in space, but not through the Van Allen radiation belts and not to the surface of the moon and back. And that they had video footage that they had done in some scenario. Some people think it's in the Nevada desert. Who knows what it is?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But they had this footage of people bouncing around and they said they got it on the moon and then they brought this back.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, he has a bunch of different things, and one of them is the one that's very hotly debated, and it's the... different light sources in the photographs. So a lot of the photographs from the surface of the moon have intersecting shadows.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So you have a shadow that's going this way and another shadow that's going that way, indicating more than one light source or a close-by light source that's coming in, not something that's millions of miles away like the sun.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
there's those there's the photographs there's the photographs that run through ai he has this other video of what looks like them filming the earth through one of the round portal windows with everything blacked out in the cabin and then they pull down the things that were blocking off the other light sources and the cabin floods with light and it looks like they're in near-earth orbit and it's very confusing
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because you're like, well, what is that video? What exactly is going on there? Because if they really are in deep space and they really are filming this small image of the Earth, because that's all they can see from 200,000 miles out, well, why, when they take those things down, does it look like the whole cabin is filled with light? Why does it look exactly like they're in near-Earth orbit?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Have you ever seen it? You want to see it? Sure. For shits and giggles. Yeah, because we're in the middle of this stupid conversation. It's a fun one. It's one of the most fun of all conspiracy theories. Because if they did it, wow. First of all, if they killed the president, wow. And it seems like they kind of did that. So if they did this too, like what else did they do?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Like what other hoaxes were played on the American people if this is real? That's why it's fun. I'm not saying it's real. But it is a fun one. It's not as simple as the Earth is flat. That's a stupid one. But this is a fun one.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
This is a fun one because you're dealing with the kind of power with complete control over the media, complete control over newspapers and what they reported, the interest of national security, the Cold War with Russia, the space war with Russia. We wanted it so bad we brought in some of the most heinous human beings that have ever lived to run our NASA program.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Let me show you the video. Let me show you the video. Jamie, you got that? Funny thing happened on the way to the moon. I know, but I can't. Is he hiding it? I know it's available.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Okay, you'll find it. He'll find it once he does. Again, I'm not saying we didn't go. I'm saying this is a fun one and it's a weird one.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's incredible. But we know that it happened. It's incredible, but it doesn't compare because they do it now easily. So anybody can get in a ship right now and travel. You can get a small boat that you have enough resources and you have enough gas and you can travel through these routes. You can do it. It took them hundreds of years, though. But you can do it right now.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So it's way easier to do now. Right. So it's something that they did. That's incredible. No doubt. No argument. But something that could be reproduced today easily. Or at least possibly. I wouldn't say easily. It's a task.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But it got better right after each one did it because they had maps now. And then they also used their sextants and they understood constellations in a way that most people don't today. And sextants, if you actually use them correctly and you understand which way the tides go and which way the water currents are going...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
which way the flow was happening, they had a deep understanding of the currents of the Earth. They knew travel lanes. They knew which ways they could go with ships. So applying that to the open ocean, applying that to these continents they weren't even sure were there, it was very iffy, very dangerous, very courageous. But once they did it, then everybody else could do it easier.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And then they started doing it better and better, and then people started coming to America, and then ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, and now here we are. And now anybody can get in a boat. Anybody with enough resources can have a boat that can travel those routes. No one can just say, I want to go to the moon today and get their private moon craft and fucking shoot off into the atmosphere and land on the moon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So no one's done that since 1969. That's a recent occurrence in terms of human history, but not technologically. The technology from 1969, it's like cave people shit compared to what we have today. So you really can't compare... The courageous, amazing deeds of these early explorers. Because what they did was absolutely fantastic. But they left a clear record of how to do it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And then each person improved upon it. And now it's easy to do. But it was still, I mean. The spacecraft travel is not. There's nothing like that.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, they had maps. They had maps and they had sextants and they had a detailed, at least crude, understanding of the shape of certain continents. Like, there's maps from the 1500s. There's maps from before that. There's plenty of maps that are rough estimates and pretty good job, actually. The cartographers back then were astonishingly good because it was so valuable to be good at that.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Now, this is the footage. So let's just watch this. So this is Neil Armstrong talking to Houston. So give me some volume.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Why is that? We're not watching the movie. All right, so let's do this. He and I will watch it with the sound on, and we'll tell everybody else to just go to the website or go to the YouTube video so we don't get pulled off of YouTube. We'll watch it, and we won't say anything, and then after it's over, we'll come back. So play it, because I want them to hear it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So I need to know that. Well, here's two problems with that video. One, the English accent. Those motherfuckers. If they want to sell you something on late night TV, they use an English accent because it makes someone look more intelligent, more sophisticated. The crescent insert. Why would they fake any of it? And then they got you with the music. The music is manipulative.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So they're manipulating you in two ways. They're manipulating you with the woman's voice, and they're manipulating you with the music. So you're saying they are manipulating you with the video. I'm saying they most certainly are manipulating you in that video. That video is not just the video. So what I would rather have is just the video and watch that. But we do get to see them say...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
the distance they are from the Earth. Here's a couple of questions, right? What does it look like? What is the shine from the Earth from 200,000 miles out? And maybe in order to be able to film that, you have to block off the light from all those other windows because even though it's 200,000 miles out,
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Just like the moon lights up the sky on a night where there's a full moon and you're outside, you can see. Like a really good full moon with a clear sky, you can see the ground. It lights it up. And the moon is one quarter of the Earth's size, and the moon is 250-plus thousand miles away. So if something is four times bigger...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
than the moon and the blue from the earth's oceans, like when you see it from the space station, it is powerful. I mean, it is a potent reflector of sunlight. So you could say that he's just ignorant about how much reflection you would get from the surface of the earth from 200,000 miles away. And even though They are filming it by blocking out all the lights and filming it through this window.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That actually is the earth. That's actually what it looks like when you're in deep space. You could say that too. You just don't know. It's hard to figure out what's what. It's hard to figure out what's what. But when you see a video like that, you just go, hmm, okay, what is that? And I don't think it's impossible to fake people going to the moon. I think it would be very difficult.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It would require a lot of people to be on board. But I also think it could be compartmentalized. The people that make the rockets, what you're doing is you're making a specific part, and this guy's making another part, and you have the engineers put this thing together, and you launch this thing into space. The people that would have to know are the people that are actually charting the trajectory
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
of the Apollo mission, the people that are actually talking to the astronauts and explaining to them what to say during the press conference, the people that are engineering the whole thing. And you could probably get away with doing something like that with a few hundred people. And you could get a few hundred people of high-ranking people that have top-secret clearance to keep their mouth shut.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Have you ever seen the video footage of the astronaut hopping by the flag, and the breeze of him hopping by makes the flag wiggle? He doesn't touch the flag at all. The flag is completely stationary, and the astronaut hops by the flag, and as he hops by the flag, the flag wiggles.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Oh, we'll show it to you. It's weird. Listen, what you're saying is entirely correct. Everything you're saying is entirely reasonable and correct if they actually can get through the Van Allen radiation belts. If they can, this is stupid. This whole thing's stupid.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's just you can say frat boys are annoying and not hate men. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But if they can't really do that and they never have done that and the only time they say they've done that is these missions, it gets real weird. And since they haven't done it since then, it gets real weird. And it's not just that. There's other video. It's not just the one where the guy's hopping by the flag.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's other ones where it looks like they're on wires, where they're being pulled up, where they fall down, they're being yanked up. The whole thing is weird. There's a lot of weirdness to the footage. The physics don't line up exactly the same.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you go to the early days of the Apollo 11 footage and you look at the difference between when they were playing golf and jumping around the moon, they move different. They cover more distance. It's like it looks different. They got better at it. They get better at filming it. They got better at whatever they're doing. And then there's the other question.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Maybe they actually did do it, but the cameras weren't able to handle the radiation and the film, which, you know, you wouldn't even be able to send your film through the radar detector at the airport back then because it would get fucked up. You'd have to put it aside. Maybe the radiation space fucks up the film.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So even though they did do it, they show you recreations or show you these test runs that they did and they film it because the actual film footage is impossible to obtain. That's possible, too. Hasselblad, who made the cameras, didn't put any special protection in these cameras.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There was nothing about them that was unusual that would be able to withstand that kind of radiation and that kind of heat of deep space. Yeah. Steve, do you have that one where the guy walks by the flag and he hops around and it wiggles? I have it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Plant flag. No, that's not it. What did you write? Astronaut flag. Type in astronaut hops by flag. Flag wiggles. Wiggles.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Astronaut hops by causing a breeze to move the flag. Okay, that's it right there. Click on that. That's it. That's the footage. Okay. So watch. So he's going to hop by. Okay. See that?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, but he didn't. Look. Look at the distance. Look how far away he is from it. Pull it back again. See where he is? So he's in front. He's way in front of that thing. He hops by and it wiggles. I don't know. He's in the suit. The suit's pretty clunky. Yeah, but he's not close to it. Look at the perspective. Let's look at it in slow motion. So watch. He hops by. It just wiggles in the breeze.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That's a breeze, dude. So that might not have actually happened on the moon, okay? That might be footage that they filmed in Nevada desert, and the footage they got on the moon got all fucked up, and so they tried to pass that off on people, and they thought no one would know. It doesn't necessarily mean we didn't go to the moon, but that does look weird. And it's just not one thing.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If that was the only thing, you'd be like, oh, well, who knows? But there's a lot of them. He could have hit it. It's possible.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That's the other... Well, I don't think they thought people would catch it. First of all, you're dealing with a time where there's no VHS tapes. There's no internet, right? So you show it on television once. You get to choose what gets shown and what doesn't get shown. You film a bunch of shit. That's how they got that footage of them inside the crap filming through that circular hole.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because they don't air everything on television, but you have archives. So you have all these archives and these kooks go through the archives and they find things like that. Okay, but that doesn't even mean that that was actual moon footage. That could have been some of the training footage.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's good. It is persuasive. Definitely. But also he has a contract with NASA and he has to be very careful about what he says and does. And for him to say something incredibly insane, like we never went to the moon, even if he believes it. That would be a big risk with zero reward because there's no way to prove, as you've said, there's no way to prove that we didn't go to the moon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And to say that we didn't go to the moon is a kook take. What the fuck is wrong with you? You can say stupid things like that when you're a comedian who's a podcast host.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But if you have contracts with NASA and you run SpaceX and you are legitimately making some of the greatest breakthroughs in space travel that human beings have ever known, like what they're doing with those falcons when they have them land, fucking insane. Insane. Come back and land. I mean, we've never been able to do that before. And it's all because of Elon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I mean, if he really is going to get people to Mars, something has got to be addressed eventually as to, you know, if they do it and they pull it off and it's easy and comfortable, okay, we probably did it in 1969. If they go to the moon and there's no problem going through the Van Allen radiation belts with no particular insulation other than what the spaceship had, maybe.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
99% against you? Yeah. Against your take. So most people think that we didn't go to the moon. It seems. Maybe that's your followers, bro. I think if you get the overall internet, it would go the other way. The overall internet, most people would think you're a kook for even entertaining the idea that we never went to the moon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I would tell you that one of our greatest achievements is faking the moon landing. I think it's an amazing achievement. I think it's an amazing achievement. It's akin to turning Kamala Harris into the most compelling presidential candidate since Barack Obama. There's things that they can do with propaganda and spin that are truly amazing.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And watching her become this celebrated character when just a few months ago everybody was upset that she was on the ticket. And, oh, my God, if Joe Biden dies and she becomes president, people are freaking out. Now all of a sudden everybody's like, yes, she should be president.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, she certainly has charisma when she has planned speeches and she gets to read off a teleprompter and maybe that thing in her ear. What do you think about that? You think that's legit? It could be. You see the company has responded? Yeah. What did they say? They definitely didn't deny it, and they said it looks very close to what our device is. Really? Go to their website.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It might be on their website. Somebody sent me something, and I just looked at it briefly, and I'm like, oh, this will probably come up today. I want to see it in real time. Because whatever the website is of the company that makes that thing, they've apparently addressed it on the website. But is that illegal? I don't know if it's illegal, but it's certainly incredibly unethical.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Unethical, for sure. But also, if they pulled that off with earrings, like fucking amazing. And it would explain because she stayed on script really well. Amazingly well. Amazingly well. Does it say anything about the presidential debates? No. The company's definitely responded. Maybe it wasn't their website. Maybe it was social media. What is the name of the company? I'm pretty sure this is it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Okay. Google Nova Audio Earrings response to presidential debate. Nova Audio Earrings response to presidential debates. Yes. Um, I might've been a troll. That's why I wanted to see it in real time to find out what the fuck it is, but see if there's a website where they responded. Cause I think they did respond. I could find it. I know I saved it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Company says Kamala's earrings strikingly similar to its Bluetooth device. Okay. There it is. Strikingly similar to its Bluetooth device offers to make ones for Trump. Okay. Imagine if Trump starts wearing earrings. First of all, that would never work because you can't tell him what to do.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's not going to happen. He's free-balling. We do not know whether Mrs. Harris wore one of our products. The resemblance is striking. And while our product is not specifically developed for the use at presidential debates, it is nonetheless suited for it. Okay, there you go.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
To ensure a level playing field for both candidates, we are currently developing a male version and will soon be able to offer it to the Trump campaign. The choice of color is a bit challenging, though, as orange does not go well with a lot of colors. That company's funny. They're funny. That's a funny company.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, right? Yeah, I mean, how crazy is the conspiracy theory that he didn't actually get shot? That he cut his ear like a pro wrestler?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, this was something that, like, people are always concerned about people being racist. But there's something that happened in this country somewhere around 2012-ish where things really, really ramped up. And it just became... it just became much more of a subject, a subject that was like constantly around, you know, worrying about racial bias and, and it, and it ramped up, right.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right. Or not. You know, the thing is shrapnel could be a small piece of shrapnel. You know, shrapnel's not uniform, right? So if it hits a railing, which apparently there is some shot, there's some video footage of, because I think there was nine shots fired total.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Was that what it was? Something like that. Something crazy like that. What about that, though? Trump sustained two-centimeter-wide gunshot wound to his ear. Okay.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I saw holes from when I got my ears pierced. Oh, yeah, but that's different. That's a hole. This is a scratch. I've gotten my ears fucked up a bunch of times from jiu-jitsu, and they heal pretty quick. It's foreheads heal quick, ears heal quick. Things around your mouth heal really quick. There's parts of your body that have a lot of blood vessels and they heal pretty quick.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
He's old, which is odd for him not to have a scar. But it's not inconceivable that it could just scratch the surface and that would cause a lot of blood. Like if you get a forehead cut. Forehead cuts are crazy. It just pours blood down your face. But if you get a cut like on your knee, it doesn't even drip. You have to have a real cut on your knee to be dribbling blood down your shin.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
The forehead is filled with blood vessels, as I think are the tips of the ears. So I think it would bleed a lot, and it might be a minor injury that bleeds a lot, and it could heal in a few days.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And people behind him, one guy died and other people got grievously injured, like terribly injured to the point where it's going to affect them for the rest of their life.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, as long as it's not in the news and it's not in the news, you don't care about it. Also, there was no press conference. So that's kind of crazy. There was no disclosure of all the information about this young man's prior history, what led him to this. They went to his apartment and it was professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in his place.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There's also this bizarre thing where there's, you know how they get ad data where you can track where phones have been? Yeah. This one phone was going from outside of the FBI office in Washington, D.C. to where this kid is multiple times. So how did this kid get these explosive devices? How did he get up on the roof? How did they not flag him?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And you see a guy walking around with a range finder a half an hour before the event. That guy is going to jail. Like what are you talking about? There's two reasons for a range finder. You're trying to shoot something or you're using it for golf. If you're not playing golf, then you're trying to shoot something. That's the only other reason for a range finder. And that was like three hours before.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah. They knew about that kid. They were aware that he was there. He somehow or another got on the roof with a rifle. The whole thing sucks. It stinks to high heaven. And then they cremate him. He's gone. They get his body. Someone snatches his body like five or six days after the event. And 10 days later, he's cremated. The whole thing is nuts. Who is this kid? Why did he do this?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Why did some 20-year-old kid take shots at the president?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Not only that, think about how perfect it would have been for a plan to assassinate someone if you do get this lone, crazy kid... You give him whatever. I mean, there's been no toxicology examination of his body that's been released. Right. So who knows what the fuck this kid's on?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It ramped up to get to the point where you do have some of these race hustlers that are, saying everyone's racist. You must confront your unconscious bias. And you're just constantly hearing about it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you're going to try to convince someone to go shoot the former president, you'd probably dope him up with some crazy shit. Right. And then that would be in a system and they would be like be able to trace. OK, how do you get this? Let's let's talk to all the people that are on his cell phone, all the people that are in his email.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Let's investigate and find out where the fuck he got this stuff that he's on when he shoots at the president. You don't hear a peep out of that. So this guy somehow or another figures out how to get on the roof, take these shots, and then they kill him.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Now, if he shot and hit Trump, if Trump didn't turn his head at that pivotal moment where they're talking about it, and it's a headshot, Trump is dead, the world's in chaos, and this kid's dead seconds later. And then it's like that. Crazy kid who shoots the president, and that's it. And then, OK, now who's going to run as a Republican? The world's in chaos.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, it would have been a perfect plan if that kid just pulled it off.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
No, it's insane. The whole story is insane. And the fact that it went away is even more insane. And the fact that there was a brief moment where even Biden was saying that we have to stop being so polarized and stop attacking each other and just try to help this country heal. And then a week later, fuck that guy.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right. Well, I think you only want to address it once. And it's probably – look, he's got a great ability to push things aside. And it's one of the reasons why he didn't age like everybody else ages when they get into the White House. He kind of aged normal. He didn't seem any older when he got out as when he got in. He was the same guy.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And I think he's got this ability because so many people have hated him for so long. He gets attacked so often. He knows how to just shut it off and shut it out. And I think he probably did that with the assassination attempt too. It's one of the reasons why he said, I'm going to talk about it once and I'm not going to talk about it again.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And he's basically held to that other than briefly mentioning it, that he thinks he got shot in the head because of the way they talk about him, which I would agree. I mean, if we watch that, we've watched that footage right before the podcast of Trump on the Colbert show that apparently never aired. But Jamie says you can get it on Colbert's Web site.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, because sometimes things get on YouTube that never air on television, like Fear Factor. The Fear Factor episode that got us canceled. You can't watch it on television. It would never air on NBC, but it's on YouTube. You can watch it on YouTube.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Okay, so he might have actually been a guest. Yeah, he did. Okay, so he was a guest on it. But the way they talk to him, the way Colbert talks to him, and the way they talk to him on The View. The View is my favorite one. The view is wild when they're all hugging him and everybody loves him.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, there's definitely this overcorrection. Robert Epstein talked about that. Robert Epstein has done all that work on Google and these ephemeral instances of interacting with Google where it shows you with search results and with news stories that get brought to your feed that they're temporary. You don't record them. So he records all these.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And what he has found through his research is that, especially with people that are on the fence – like people that are 50-50, you can swing 50-50 to 90-10. Like people that don't know who they're going to vote for, you can make it 90-10 just through these interactions with Google. It's really shocking. What do you mean 90-10 in what way?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
90-10, like say if you want Hillary to win or you want Trump to win, whatever candidate you choose, if you manipulate the search results, if you manipulate just the fill-in, you know, the suggestions, is Matt Walsh A, and then it just fills it in.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Just through that, just through the suggestions, they can manipulate it to a significant difference for people that are on the fence, that are independents or that are undecided. And he said you can take 50-50 and turn it to 90-10, which is fucking stunning. It's stunning.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's terrifying and it's unregulated. And one of the things that happened was after Trump won in 2016, there was some sort of a meeting at Google where they were openly talking about this. And they were talking about, we can't let this happen again, which is such a crazy thing to say, that we can't let the people decide who they want to be president again.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If that is what they said, if that is what they – and let's find out what the actual quote was. I could see how someone would say that if they worked at an insurance company and they're a pro diehard Democrat, blue no matter who, and they were like, we can't let this happen again. I could see how you say that if you're just an individual voter who doesn't really have an impact.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But if you're someone who can shift undecided voters from 50-50 to 90-10, as Robert Epstein is alleging, if that's true – That's a crazy thing to say because you're deciding you're going to decide the result of the election. And you don't give a fuck about debate and free speech and people being able to decide for themselves because you think that you're right.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
When I talk to some of my hardcore lefty friends that are still left in L.A. that I was telling you about before, they say we. They say we all the time. We have to win this. They say that all the time. We can win if this happens. They say that kind of shit. And they talk about it like they're talking about the Dodgers. They really do. They talk about it like they're talking about our team.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And they're connected to all these other people in their community and they're all on this team. And it's weird, man. It's a weird little hack. It's just like hypnosis. It's weird that you can just do that to people.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's weird that you can get people to just ideologically be captured and join this team and lose all ability to look at things objectively and just understand nuance and understand the influence of propaganda. And like, how many people are spending money on this? Like, why is all the news have this one specific narrative? And then Fox News is a totally different. What is going on here?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Do you remember when Mitt Romney and Barack Obama debated? It was the most cordial, professional, respectful discussion of the issues and who could do a better job. Kind of amazing. Kind of amazing that that was – what was that, 2012?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You can't be yelling out, oh, baby girl. You're a congresswoman. This is crazy. And they're making fun of each other's wigs. Google versus Trump leaked video reveals executives' negative reactions to Trump's 2016 election victory. So what is the actual quote?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So he's saying here, hold on. He's saying here most people are pretty upset and sad because of the election. Imagine that, most people. Like, how do you know? Myself, as an immigrant and a refugee, I certainly find this election deeply offensive. And I know many of you do, too. I think it's a very stressful time, and it conflicts with many of our values. So scroll up. What else does he say?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I don't have very high hopes, but he could do anything. You have no idea. Maybe he will do something great. Who knows? Take a little bit of wishful thinking.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, that's bias right there, saying that most of us are upset, right? For over 20 years, everyone at Google has been able to freely express their opinions at these meetings. Nothing was said at that meeting or any other meeting. to suggest that any political biases ever influences the way we build or operate our products. So this is Google's official statement. So what else did he say, though?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because the thing that Robert was alleging, that he was saying we're going to make sure it doesn't happen again.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I think a lot of us would agree this election was particularly hard. He said there was a lot of rhetoric.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Did you see the conversation where this woman was talking to someone from Trump's team, saying, worried that he was going to weaponize the judicial system once he got into office, that if he got into office, he would weaponize the judicial system and go after his enemies? Oh, wow. And he says, like, what... I can't imagine. What are you saying?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
For you saying that and asking whether or not Trump would do that... You have to acknowledge the fact that that's absolutely happening to him right now. And then she tries to push back against it and he does a brilliant job of explaining how she's incorrect. I'm going to find this, Jamie, because this is a good one. Unless you could find it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's so hard to find things that you save on these little social media platforms. See if you can find it, Jamie. No, it was from a conversation between someone in the Trump administration, someone on his team. And I know I can find it if you just give me a second.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, that's her argument is that Trump is going to weaponize the political system. And, you know, this guy saying, how are you even saying that without admitting that he that they're doing that right now to him? God damn it, I'm not going to find it. I don't know where I saved it. Sorry.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Every time I type it in, all I see is stuff about Trump saying he would use... I know, but that's because of Google, and that's why what's-his-face is correct. God, I know I saved it. Shit.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
No, well, he didn't do that when he was in office. He could have done that to Hillary. He said he thought it would be a bad look.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, probably when you think about what he actually did when he was in office. But that's why it gets weird. It's like because they can say something and it can be not true. But yet enough people repeat it. And then it just becomes a narrative that everyone just I mean, like it's true that he's a convicted felon now. But is it true that it's that it makes any sense? No.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
For you to say that he's a convicted felon. Like, OK, right. But what did he do? Do you know what he did? What he did is a misdemeanor. And it also had lapsed the, you know, whatever the fuck it is where you. Statue of limitations. Statue of limitations. Thank you. So and there's 34 counts for a bookkeeping.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right. They don't care. So they just repeat that thing that he's a convicted felon. I can't find this goddamn thing. It's driving me nuts because it was really interesting. I hate when I save something and I don't know where I put it, but I know I do.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, it's just we're in the weirdest time where people are willing to believe bullshit. It's not as simple as being able to recognize bullshit. They recognize it. They have it right in front of them, and they're willing to believe it because it's more convenient to believe it. Yeah. All right. I can't find it. I'm giving up right now.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, I know they have. But this one was really interesting because you see this guy combat it. And the way he combats it is so interesting to see her squirm. Because, yeah, that's exactly what they're doing. I mean, it's not a terrible crime that he committed. And you're making it seem as if it's... something that he deserves to be in jail for the rest of his life for. And that's crazy.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That's a crazy thing to say. And that might actually happen if he doesn't become president. If he doesn't become president, they might actually lock him up for 25 years for that, which is essentially the rest of his life will be behind bars at Rikers.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, you don't know. It's just so hard to tell what people would or wouldn't do today. It's just the whole country seems so committed to their side. And I don't know what a solution to that is, and I don't know how we get past this and whether Trump wins or loses. Like, what happens? What happens next?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But if he does get in office, then it gets very interesting because then it's like, what can he do now? Like how much different is his take on it now? Because one of the things that he said is the first time he got in, he didn't know anything about governing.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
He's like, I had to find people and I picked some of the wrong people, but I know better now and I could do a better job of it now, which kind of makes sense. Because if I wanted to talk to him, one of the things I really want to ask is what is it like? The first when you actually get in there, they don't think you're going to be in there. And now all of a sudden you're the actual president.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Like, what is the resistance like? What are the communications like? What can you say about how you have these conversations with these people and how you how you govern, how you get things done? Yeah, how much power do you actually have? What is it actually like?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because we all have this sort of mystical view of what it's like to be the actual president, but very few people, and only one ever that's not a part of the system has ever snuck through and attained that position. It's only him.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's also going to be very interesting to see what do they do to try to prevent this from happening in the future?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because one of the things that has been discussed is cracking down on misinformation and that free speech doesn't include misinformation, which is a wild thing to say after what we just went through with COVID, where what people were saying was misinformation turned out to be 100 percent true. And not just about COVID, but about a bunch of things. Hunter Biden laptop story.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There's quite a few different things you could point to. Like, who the fuck gets to decide what's information? Only the government? You guys? The people that have lied about basically everything? This is a crazy thing to say and to be running on that and to get people to support that.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Just the lack of understanding of what it means to be able to freely express ideas and communicate and whistleblowers. Whistleblowers from corporations that are telling you about something they're doing that's illegal. Whistleblowers from government agents that are telling you they're spying on you when it's illegal. All that shit.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
To have that be filtered through the government is an insane position. And yet that's something that they talk about. And this is something bizarrely that the left supports.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Exactly. And it's like a childish view of truth and lies. It's childish. Because one of the only ways that people find out if something is correct or not is let someone say something that's incorrect. And then someone who knows a lot more comes along and corrects them. Right. Yeah. That's, that's how it works.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You know, like I had a Terrence Howard, you know, Terrence Howard, the actor, brilliant guy, but wrong about a lot of the things that he thinks he's right about. I brought him in with Eric Weinstein and Eric Weinstein, who's a genius, like a legitimate genius and a mathematician explained him like very patiently and carefully. This is why you're wrong. And this is what you need to know.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And you've got some good ideas, but you're off on all these different things. I'm an actual expert. And let me help you out here. And so anybody who saw Terrence Howard talk on the first podcast had this idea. Like, oh, wow, maybe he's right about all these things. Anybody who saw the second podcast with Eric, where Eric clearly corrects him and actually knows what he's talking about.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
He's a brilliant guy. Now you have a, that's what free speech is supposed to be about. That's what it's supposed to be about. An actual expert comes and corrects everything. And then you have this look at it like, okay, now I see. Now it's been, but it's not silence Terrence Howard because he doesn't know what the fuck he's saying. No, it's like let him talk.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Now let someone who really knows what they're talking about explain to him why he's wrong. That's the benefit of free speech. And everybody who listens to that has a better understanding of all these different really weird, complex things that they're discussing that maybe otherwise you would never have illuminated in that way. You'd never really be able to understand it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, it's complicated, and this childish idea that just handed over to the government to clean it up, that's not the answer. It is complicated. There are going to be people that say a bunch of things that aren't true. But the way to combat that is not put the government in charge of what's true, especially when they've been wrong so many times or they've just out and out lied so many times.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That's a crazy position for the left to take, the ones who are supposed to be the party of science and reason and the ones who are supposed to be the most educated. It's just a bizarre perspective just because you don't want Trump to win. You don't want this to happen again.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It is ridiculous, but it's also a really goofy label that you can slap on basically anything. Like hate speech can get to the point where if you call Caitlyn Jenner Bruce Jenner, that's hate speech. That's dead naming. Dead naming falls under hate speech. And so what are you saying? You can't do that? Well, that's fucking ridiculous. I can call him a cunt, but I can't say his name is Bruce.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That's insanity. What world are we living in where you can decide what someone can and can't say by a label? It's such a net you're casting. Hate speech, it's completely subjective. Anyone can decide what's hate speech.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right. And it makes things all equal to something like very benign versus something truly awful. It's all under this one stupid umbrella of hate speech.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Where do you think we would be if Elon hadn't bought Twitter?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And literally one of the most significant human beings historically ever. Right. He's like a Nikola Tesla type character that people are going to be talking about 100 years from now.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I mean, not only that, like he made this tweet about how it damaged the ionosphere that when it blew up. But do you know that that like heals up in like 40 minutes? You didn't even bother looking into that. Every time they punch a rocket through that shit, it damages it. But it heals. It's like you punch a hole through a cloud.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, I think it's because it's just like a religious ideology. Like when the Taliban started blowing up those ancient statues of Buddhas. Do you remember that? Yeah. Because like they could... They destroyed things that were a part of human history that we would have studied for thousands of years. And they destroyed them because they didn't go along with their religious ideology.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I mean, they have a lot of them blow up. That's what you have to do until you get one that doesn't blow up.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You know, if that's what Stephen King wants to do today, let him go. Who cares? You know, it's interesting to watch. All of it is interesting to watch. You know, there's a lot of people out there that are fools, and they serve as education to others. You see the folly in their actions and behaviors and how stupid they look and how ridiculous this whole thing is, and it's there for you.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You learn from those people. You have a better understanding of human behavior. You have a better understanding that people are capable of, you know, being really interesting, intelligent people, but also being buffoons at the same time.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
and that we're all subject to all these various influences, and especially through the use of social media, which just, like I said before, it's an anxiety-creating machine. And there's so many of these people that are attached to it that are so deeply rooted in these online conversations and so disconnected from the natural world. And it's odd. It's odd to watch. But they're there for you.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They're there for an education, an understanding, a greater understanding of the weird nuances of human thinking. Because that's genuinely what this whole thing is all about. All the ideologies and all the left and the right and immigrants are great and immigrants are terrible and they're eating ducks.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
All of it is just human thinking, trying to figure out what's the correct and incorrect way that we all cohabitate and what's the best way for all of us to sort of get along.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They're going to get bullied. How old are your kids? Our oldest are 11. That's young enough. They shouldn't have social media. Yeah, I agree with you there. But as they get into the high school ages, I think it's a new world. We're navigating it. They should learn how to navigate it, too.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I think it is very addictive, but also there's people that know how to walk away from it and know how to self-regulate, and I think that's a valuable skill that I think everyone's going to have to learn.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And I think part of the woke thing is this religious ideology that has to be followed. And you cannot stray from the lines. You have to stay inside whatever this ideology is promoting and telling you what to do. And one of the things was that you had to take down all these statues of terrible people.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I think we're going to look at it 20, 30 years from now the same way we look at people smoking. I think we're going to think, what were we doing? What were we doing giving kids those goddamn phones? What did we do? We don't even know what the kids of today who are on the internet who are subject to the same sort of horrific images that you and I were talking about earlier.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
What is that doing to people long term? I never got exposed to anything like that when I was seven. How many kids are getting exposed to murder videos when they're 10 years old? Probably quite a few. Pornography. Yeah. Oh, that's the craziest one, right? Because that was a hard thing to get. It was difficult. When I was a boy, we'd find magazines in the woods. You knew a guy who had a VHS tape.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Oh, my God. It was crazy. No one can find it. Now, kids have it on their phones, and it's instantaneous. You have 5G on your phone. You can go to any porn site anytime you want.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, you know, we had the guys on from that Chimp Crazy show. You know that new show on HBO where the people have pet chimps?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Crazy. It's the same guys who did Tiger King. Oh. And it's amazing. It's on Max. It used to be HBO. And one of the things they said is that chimps get addicted to pornography.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah. They get addicted to pornography and they watch it all the time. Like these certain chimps that get older, they give them iPads, they give them phones, and they show them, you know, they get on the internet. And if someone shows them pornography, they get addicted to pornography. That's crazy. That's crazy. And they start sexualizing human beings.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And the addictions to phones, which we all have, then the addictions to social media, which a lot of people have, and then you get these weird insulated groups that live in echo chambers, and that's, I think, one of the things you highlight the most about this show, this Am I Racist film that you made, is the struggle sessions where these people all get... The first scene where you...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And I remember Trump saying at the time, well, the problem with that is, like, eventually they're going to take down George Washington. And everybody thought he was crazy. Like, that's a crazy thing to say. But once they got past Civil War people, then they got to who owned slaves.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
before they know who you are when you're you're going and it's sitting there and and talking to these people about these things like who are you like where do you live how do you think like this like what is going on in your life you've been exposed to this version of the world that seems so ridiculous to someone who's not in that bubble so ridiculous that it seems fake it seems like you're doing like a borat thing
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And then they got to taking down – they wanted to take down statues of Thomas Jefferson and eventually did get to George Washington.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's a great scene. They called the cops. When the guy is saying, he's trying to hold your hand, trying to grab you, and you're like, I do not consent to be touched. He's like, I'm not going to touch you. I'm just going to answer your questions. Come, I'll answer your questions.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah. Well, it was very funny at the end too. We tried to get people – spoiler alert – tried to get people to self-flagellate. Yeah. Well, there's – And just a few people are like, that's it, I'm out.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
We lost a lot of people. And yes, who's the most racist person in the room.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's a great movie, man. And it's just like What is a Woman in sort of the same vein of just it almost feels like satire. But you realize it's not. It's just ridiculous. But you do a great job. And you do a really good job of staying calm and deadpanning. Because I don't have that skill. I would not be able to hold it together. I would have to start laughing. At some point in time, I would crack.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I wouldn't be able to not enjoy it in the moment. That's the thing.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There's like a feel that you have when you go into it. Like if I was there and I didn't know you, I'd be like, I think this guy's fucking around. There's just an edge, just a touch of it, just a touch of it that makes it even funnier because you're hanging in there and you're being dead planned.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But there's some moments where like one of my favorite moments was you asked Robin DiAngelo what mansplaining was. And then when she gave you a definition and you mansplained her, you corrected her. And she didn't even pick up with what you just did. Yeah. I was proud of that. It's very subtle. It's very subtle. I was stretching when I was watching that, just laughing really loud.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right, right. So what can she say? Well, listen, man, congratulations. It's really funny. It's great. And I think it's a great way to expose how ridiculous some of this shit is. You can expose it by being angry and yelling and arguing with people on Twitter. But to do it the way you did it and just make it a hilarious hour and a half movie is really good. So kudos.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Congratulations. All right. Tell everybody where they can see it. It's on dailywire.com. Actually, it's in theaters.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's very funny, folks. All right. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate it. Thank you. Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I think you're the perfect person to ask this about. How do you feel about private prisons?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
But you were talking about criminal justice reform because like who would know about it more than you?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
How much of an effort, once you actually get inside, is there to rehabilitate you?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
But is it all self-motivated? If you do want to improve yourself, it's self-motivated.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
But there's no guidance in terms... Do you get counseling?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And also no motivation to try to improve yourself or to figure out why you got in there.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Yeah. Listen, man, you had a wild life, and I'm glad you're out. Thank you. And I'm glad I listened to you on Tucker, and I got a different sense of who you were than what the narrative was that I saw over the media. Obviously, I don't know what happened, but I think you're a good dude, and I enjoyed talking to you.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Thank you. God bless you, too. And this book, is it done? Is it almost done? Do you have a publisher? We kind of glossed over that a little bit, but-
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Do you have an audio version that you're going to do?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
You'll do it, right? Absolutely. All right, thank you.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Well, that's the same thing as like the grab them by the pussy comment. It's like guys talk like that. It doesn't mean they mean it. Guys talk like that all the time for fun. It's not, you know, you could say it's misogynist. It's this. It's just shit talking. It's what guys do. And they know that the other person doesn't mean it. That's why it's funny to say.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
It's fun. And the object. And everybody would laugh. And even if you never did anything or never even intended to do anything, you'd say something like that to get a rise out of your friends.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And that context aspect of it is very important because there is such a difference between a statement and someone tapping a phone while people are having a private conversation and talking shit. There's just, and did they read it or play it when you said that?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
People talk shit like you can't pretend that that's what they actually mean. You know, it's one thing if you get someone planning a crime, but everyone knows that people talk that way. You just pretend they don't because they don't a professional setting.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
So if you just went along with whatever they asked and didn't ask for any political bartering, you think nothing would have came of this?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
If they came to you and said Obama would like you to put this person in as senator, if you just agreed to it, you think none of this would happen?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
sir i'm good nice to meet you i really enjoyed you on tucker carlson show shout out to tucker uh it was a very eye-opening podcast and you know uh whenever someone is uh convicted of you know any any political figure any person of power that's uh convicted of corruption you automatically assume that they're guilty and after listening to you on tucker show i was like oh jesus like
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
So they want to scare you by putting you in with dangerous people.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Yeah, there's multiple things that have changed our timeline. And one of the big ones is him being elected because that means they dropped those cases and all that weaponizing of the justice system didn't work. If it did work. That is such an insanely dangerous precedent to set.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
When you see things like the documents case or the real estate case, which is the most disgusting one, pretending that Mar-a-Lago, that somehow or another someone was a victim because he overvalued Mar-a-Lago even though he paid all those loans back and the banks profited from it. There was no victim at all.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
and yet they fined him this fucking insane amount of money and tried to say that Mar-a-Lago was worth $18 million. That is just such a slap in the face of anybody that understands, first of all, anybody that understands property values in that area, that's preposterous to say that place is only $18 million.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
It's a fucking enormous property and the most expensive real estate in the United States, or one of the most expensive places for real estate. There was just so many of these cases over and over and over again that just right in everyone's face, And very little pushback, no pushback from the media at all.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
They went along with it as if these 34 felonies for a bookkeeping error that is essentially a misdemeanor that's past the statute of limitations. And now you're marking it up as a felony, but you can't even identify the felony. The whole thing is madness. And all these news organizations... because they don't like Trump are going along with this insanely dangerous precedent.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Because if that goes through, well, what happens if Republicans get into office and you have some new Democrat that you really love, and this Democrat is a real challenge and a threat to the Republican, and they start doing the same fucking shit that you did? Is that what you want? You want us to be a banana republic just because you don't like Trump?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I mean, it just shows you how many people were willing to sacrifice all of their ethics All the things that they believe in, what the Bill of Rights stands for, what the Constitution stands for, fuck all that. We don't want this guy to win. Throw it all away. And then you throw everything away. Then we have no freedom of speech. We have no nothing. It's all gone.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
The whole thing is so mind-boggling how short-sighted people are in the name of wanting their side to win.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And what did they expect you to do? They expect you to just take a sentence, a lower sentence, right? Confess. What did they offer you?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And what was the accusation? What were they trying to get them on?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
That documentary, like, jeez. Anybody who doesn't believe in conspiracies, watch that.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Because the thing that people always loved about pedophiles going to jail is like, oh, there's going to be some jail justice.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
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How did they justify you being in this high-security prison? Like why would they put you in with pedophiles and murderers and gangbangers? Why would they do that? Obviously to squeeze you, but how do they pass that through?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Boy, that's a time where podcasts would have come in handy.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
So you can't talk about what's on those tapes unless it comes from your own personal recollection. Right. So you can talk about the tapes. You just can't play them. Correct. And you can't quote them.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
But at least you could have laid out your version of it so people could hear it. And it would put pressure on them.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
The problem with those shows is it's such a short segment. That's right. Exactly. You don't have enough time to lay out the environment, how it works, what really goes on in politics, what's normal for how these deals are made.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
So this person that Obama wanted, whatever happened to that person?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
He does it a lot. Balanoff, this guy, what would be his motivation for saying that Obama wanted you to do that?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And so that Obama never said anything about it, but Rahm Emanuel said something to him.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Interesting theory. So what's day one like in prison?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Well, you saw that the head of the FBI just stepped down.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And Kash Patel is going to come in and he wants to clean house. Let's take it back to the beginning. So I know they were bugging your phones, but you kind of knew they were bugging your phones, right?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Day one, do you have hope it's going to be overturned in an appeal? What are you thinking when you get in there?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
So what was the first charge that was brought against you? Or if you could just bring us back to the moment when you knew they were coming after you.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
So how did you get into the Bible? Because that was a big part of your conversation with Tucker.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Do you think there's anything you could have done that would have gotten you out of all of this?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
But what about if you just, when they came to you with that senator, if you said, sure, we'll hook that up.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
That's what I think they did. So it's a lot of chess.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
There's a lot of moves and counter moves and people are used as pawns.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
So everybody knows how the game is played, so everybody has to play the game.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Isn't it kind of the same thing? I mean, that's what they do whenever anybody gets in trouble in Hollywood.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Well, that's just cowards. There's a lot of cowards. And a lot of people have a reason to be cowards. It's fearful. They're scared. It's a dangerous system, especially the justice system. It seems very dangerous. And this is not to malign people. Good people because there's there's I know people I've met people in the FBI. I met great people in the CIA. I know them. They're great people.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
This is why there has to be checks and balances and there has to be oversight to keep people from their own devices, to keep people from their own horrible instincts that we have as human beings, especially if you've done some shady shit because other people have done some shady shit and that's how everybody sort of worked their way up the ladder and then all of a sudden you get to a position where like, hey, you're going to have to do something that you really don't agree with, but this is how the game is played and then next thing you know...
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
It was such an eye-opening podcast and such a disappointing one, too. It was so disturbing to hear your version of the story, which was so different than the version that was put out on the media. And it was just, oh, corrupt politician goes to jail. He went to jail. He must be guilty. And then you hear your take on it. You're like, oh, God. It's very disturbing.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Yeah. Well, and I think a lot of people go into, whether it's politics or law enforcement or into the federal government. There's a lot of people that go into it with very good intentions, but then you see over time they get corrupted by the environment that they're in.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I mean, especially corrupt law enforcement. Did you ever see that documentary? What is it? District 75? Is it Precinct 75? Yeah.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
The 5-7. Is that what it is? The 7-5 or the 5-7? There's a gentleman named Mike Dowd. We had him on the podcast as well. 7-5. 7-5. 7-5. On first day... He's a cop. He watches the cops kill a guy. And they essentially say to him, he jumped, right? And he's like, okay, he jumped. It's like one of those situations where like, okay, I guess this is this business that I'm a part of now.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I wanted to be a cop. Now I'm a cop. And then he runs with it. Next thing you know, he's selling drugs and kidnapping people. It's a fucking crazy documentary. He's a fun guy. I mean, obviously did terrible things, went to jail, but the documentary is so fucking crazy.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
The 7-5, right? The 5-7? 7-5. 7-5. 7-5. You just told me. That's it. That's the documentary. Michael Dowd. Yeah. It's fantastic. It's a really good documentary. And, you know, you just realize, like, Jesus. Obviously, the... Cocaine Crisis in Miami is another great example of that. And one of the best documentaries about that is Cocaine Cowboys. Fantastic documentary. I can't recommend it enough.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
One graduating class of the police academy in Miami, they all either went to jail or were murdered. The entire graduating class. Yeah. That's how corrupt it was. It was just off the charts, cocaine and money everywhere, chaos and murder everywhere.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Well, I think you got the most out of that horrific situation in that regard, right? And sometimes you have to experience horrific tragedy to experience incredible love. That's a weird thing to think of. But I think this battle that we have constantly with good and evil and It's a real thing. Sometimes in your darkest, deepest moments is when you recognize a truth.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
There's something there that we all... Every culture believes in a higher power. It's very strange, isn't it? Almost every culture? Almost every culture has some sort of belief system about a higher power. It's something you could say...
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
You could be very cynical and you could say that's just human beings looking for order in an orderless, chaotic place and that your creativity and your inquisition, your inquisitive nature rather, leads you to constantly search for a daddy in the sky. You could say that.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
But I've talked to too many people that have had these sort of like you've had these breakthrough moments in life where you come into contact with something by opening yourself up to it. And it's so cynical just to disregard that. Everybody wants to pretend that they're smarter than they really are. It's a terrible trait that we all have.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And that prevents you from, especially secular people, atheists, people that are like acknowledged atheists, prevents you from even considering the idea that there's something to this that you're not getting. And your simple little mind, your desire for order and to look at this and go, no, you just live and you die. You don't really know.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
You should probably listen to some people that have had profound experiences. Because there's been a lot of them. And there's been a lot of them throughout human history. And to just completely dismiss them as all nonsense, it's just like that's such a cynical perspective on human beings. And then there's also the fact that
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Look, I'm not saying bad things haven't been done in the name of religion, because they most certainly have. People have been slaughtered, wars have been started, people have been demonized and othered to the point where you're allowed to kill them because they believe the wrong thing. It's not universally good.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
But it's a scaffolding for ethics and morals that I think shapes society in a way that's not really possible with just anarchy. You need law and order. You need something you believe in. That's what keeps us together. I mean, you could be a brilliant, intelligent person who's just unusually compassionate and live your whole life without religion and still be an excellent contributor to society.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
God, the people that I've met. And one of the things about coming to Texas is I meet so many avowed Christians. So many really proud and intelligent and vocal religious people. And they're some of the nicest people you could ever meet. Like a real Christian. Like I've met some real Christians. Like my friend Alan who runs a homeless rehabilitation community here in Austin.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
It's like the guy is just a real Christian. I mean he lives with these people. That's right. He's just like really walking the walk. He's not doing it for money. He doesn't have a mega church. He doesn't drive a Rolls Royce. He's a regular person who really is acting – like the Christian from the Bible, like the best example of a Christian from the Bible.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
We talk about that. We talked about that in terms of psychedelics the other day. There's spiritual narcissism.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I think the same sort of spiritual narcissism that encompasses these preachers that talk in front of stadiums full of people and fly private jets and drive Rolls Royces, that's the same sort of thing as a guru who wants to take you to the jungle to give you drugs or someone who wants you to join their sex cult or someone who wants you to join their yoga thing where no one works anymore and you all grow your own food and this is your guru.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
There's a shit ton of documentaries on these folks here. No doubt. That's the false prophet. It's a danger. It's a real danger that we have in looking for someone smarter than us. It's a normal pattern of behavior from tribal societies. All tribal societies had the wisest person who was the leader. This is the person that everybody trusted. He's the guy with the most scars.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
He knows where the food is. He knows how to get the fuck away from the enemies. He knows how to keep order, and he's reasonable in how he governs the village until someone overthrows him. That's your guy and we have this hierarchy that we look for in everything You know, we really do we look for it in all sorts of things and if we find it in a false prophet We'll go with it.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
There's something I bought a building out here, you know My my podcast or my comedy club is in a place called the Ritz theater. It's this beautiful theater from 1927 but before that I had bought another building that was owned by a cult and It was a building called the One World Theater. I didn't buy it. I was under contract for it.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I spent a bunch of money and got out of it because I watched the documentary on the cult. And I was like, oh, my God. It was a guy who was a gay porn star and a hypnotist who started this cult in West Hollywood. And then after Waco popped off, this guy had to escape from West Hollywood because they were looking for him.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Because, you know, the cult awareness network and they started, you know, after Waco, they're like, Jesus Christ, how many of these cults are out there? They were targeting this guy. So he changed his name. moved to Austin, and built this theater.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And the cult had already disbanded a bunch, and my friend Ron White, the comedian, told me, because he had performed it, he turned it into a concert venue, this theater, that this guy had his cult followers build him so he could dance in front of them. It's a beautiful 300-seat theater, gorgeous place. And this is the same thing.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
It's just a person who convinced all these other people that he had the answers. And he was a hypnotist. He was really good at fucking with people and really good at like talking people into certain states of mind. And they all believed in him and they wasted decades of their life. That's literally in the Bible. That's a false prophet.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
No, no, I don't care. I'm happy now that people don't know who I am.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Wow. What a fascinating blip in time that is, if you really look at it in terms of impactfulness, like a piece of technology that completely changed the world.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
That might be one of the most, that's bigger than the laptop, I think. I think it's the most impactful. I think the invention of the iPhone is probably one of the most impactful things human beings have ever created. Not necessarily in a great way, but sometimes in a great way.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
There's a lot of great things about it, but the invention of the smartphone is, for all good or bad, you missed it. And that's really crazy.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
You hear that? You hear that vibe? It was on the last podcast, too. Really? Yeah. This episode is brought to you by the Farmer's Dog. Dogs are amazing. They're loyal. They're lovable. Just having Marshall around can make my day ten times better. I'm sure you love your dog just as much, and you want to do your best to help them live longer, healthier, happier lives.
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It does. Do you think the experience of being in jail as horrible as it is made you a better person?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Sometimes that's what bites people in the ass. I always say that about Trump. That's also why he kept running, even though everybody was coming after him. You have to be a very particular type of person that has all those legal cases thrown at him. I mean, if he lost and he lost those cases and then he lost the run for presidency, he very well might wind up in jail.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
They can't have him at 82 years old trying again. They're not interested because he became more popular. When he was gone than when he was president and people sort of like towards the end of the four years of Biden had like completely reversed. So many of my friends, me included, completely reversed how they looked at him.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And then also a lot of it was getting exposed to watching how this propaganda machine marches in step with. all throughout the media with everything. You know, me in particular, having turned on me during the COVID years for being someone who got healthy without taking the vaccine and they wanted to get me removed from Spotify. I'm like, this is crazy. This is wild to watch.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And that was, you know, minor league stuff compared to what happened to him and certainly compared to what happened to you. But just, I think people are less likely to believe mainstream narratives now because And we're so fortunate we have other ways, like Tucker's show where I saw you, like things that aren't approved.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I mean, look, when Tucker was on Fox News, I'm sure there was a lot of things that he wanted to cover that he couldn't. Like there was no way when he was on Fox News he could have interviewed that guy who says he blew Obama. This guy, Tucker Carlson is such a wild boy. He's got a guy on for like, how long was that podcast?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Find out how long the Tucker Carlson podcast was with the guy who claims he blew Obama. Because just even being able to sustain a conversation with a guy who wants to talk about smoke and crack and blowing Obama... How many minutes can you do? I want to know. I'd be hard-pressed to think I could squeeze an hour out of that guy. Like, what the fuck are you going to talk about?
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
How long is that podcast? All right, he hung in there as long as he could. But my point is, again, I'm not standing up for him having that guy on. I'm not saying that was a good thing. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, that's what he wanted to do. I watched a little of it. So that's Tucker with no one telling him what to do.
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#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
The Tucker Carlson show, he does whatever he wants, he interviews whoever he wants, he comes up with the questions he wants, he has real conversations that didn't fucking exist before. And now that it does exist, and a guy like Tucker, who was the number one guy in news to begin with, now he's independent.
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along with independent journalists like Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi and Barry Weiss and Glenn Greenwald. You have all these people that are honest. And you know they're honest. They're always honest. They're always giving you the full version of the truth. And again,
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Spread like wildfire and then you look at the narratives that you see in mainstream media and like you're leaving so much out You don't you're not talking about that. You're not talking about what why people were upset and I'll talk about what started it You're not talking about the government intervention.
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It was behind it all in the first place and I was a planned organization and I think they leave out everything because that's not what they're supposed to do what they're supposed to do is sell as many stories as they can but stay within a very confined narrative and
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And most of that narrative is heavily progressive, left-leaning until that's not popular anymore. And when that falls out of favor, folks, when that becomes non-profitable, they're going to go the other way. The country will move more right. It'll be more right in the media even if it becomes profitable.
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And the fact that there's these rules. We should have rules that apply across the board if we wanna progress as society. And one of those rules, the most important rule, the reason why it's the First Amendment, you have to be able to talk about things. You're gonna get things wrong. You're gonna be poorly informed. You're gonna have biased opinions.
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Hopefully, someone who is more informed has a more objective and more honest opinion, more accurate opinion, and then hopefully you're strong enough that resonates with you and you can put your ego beside you and go, you know what? This is me wanting to be right. This is my ego. The correct thing is what these people are saying.
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Let me tell you why I thought what I thought and how I was wrong and apologize. And that doesn't mean you're weak. It just means you, like everyone else in the world, sometimes is wrong about things. Like, I have a friend of mine. I don't want to say his name. Very, very nice guy. One of the smartest fucking people I know. And I have these fascinating conversations with him.
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And then one day, he tried to explain to me why something works in the UFC, why something else doesn't work anymore. I go, stop. Because stop, you're going to ruin my opinion of you. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Don't say this. Don't say this to me. I've been working for the UFC for 25 fucking years. Don't say this to me. You don't know what you're saying.
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You're saying nonsense. He's like, really? I go, yes. This is total nonsense. Here's an example why it's nonsense. This guy violates that rule. You can't tell. There's a specific group of movements that are all designed to fuck people up. Any one pattern can be successful given the individual and his abilities and his competency in whatever skill set that is. There's no one skill set.
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You can't run around saying one skill set trumps all. It doesn't work like that anymore.
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This is brilliant people. So this is a brilliant person talking out of his ass.
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Also, they like to be smart. Smart people like to be smart. Exactly. They want to be the smartest guy in the world. Always. They're smart about some things. There's only a term for that. where like really intelligent people erroneously believe they're intelligent about everything.
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Yes. Dunning-Kruger effect. That's right. Cognitive bias when individuals with high competence in one area overestimate their knowledge and abilities in unrelated fields. Yeah, it's exactly what it is. Well, I don't have that problem. It's super common with people that are very good at things.
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People that are very good at things, any one thing, like if you're a wizard at basketball, you probably think you're way better at playing pool than you really are.
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There's a lot. Like, I'm the fucking man. Sure. If you're a guy who's just cracking home runs every day and someone wants to play ping pong, like, motherfucker. I'll figure this ping pong shit out in about five minutes and then I'll start fucking you up. And it's just not true. There's a lot of people that are really smart people, unfortunately. And this happens with tough people too.
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Tough people want to pretend they're the only tough person. They all want to pretend that. Everybody has this weird thing where they think they're different than everybody else. Interesting. And that's what leads them to be champions. But that is also what makes it incredibly difficult to come back from a devastating loss for some of these guys.
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So if they fight a guy and, you know, they've been the fucking man for years.
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And all of a sudden they're in there with this guy and you're like, oh my God, I'm getting hurt right now. I'm getting hurt and I'm probably going to get stopped. And you see it in their eyes. You see they can't believe it's happening. They never envisioned a time where this guy is going to knock them out. And then they're against the cage and you see them getting lit up.
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And in my mind, I'm seeing the sparks in front of their eyes. Because when you get hit, you see sparks. And if you get hit with like a big shot, like you can't – you don't know where anybody is for a couple seconds. Your legs aren't working anymore. I'm seeing it in this person that thought they were so good they could fight this other person. They didn't see it the way everybody else saw it.
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You know, they didn't see that they were past their prime or they didn't see that this is a bigger weight class or whatever the variables are that lead to like a devastating loss.
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Yeah, that was Tommy Hearns in his prime, man. Because you've got to realize Duran did go full 12 with Hagler when Hagler was in his prime. But Hagler had a respect for Duran that I think almost was unfortunate. Because like, Durant, for people who don't know.
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It wasn't just that Hagler in his mind. Durant was like one of the legends.
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I mean, quitting with Sugar Ray Leonard was horrible and it ruined his reputation. But if you could just take that fight away and look at every other, look at his body work. What he did to Ken Buchanan when he was a lightweight.
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People don't even understand. Roberto Durant started out his career at 135 pounds. Went up and won the middleweight title. You have to understand how fucking crazy Roberto Duran was. When he beat Davey Moore, was that super welterweight? It was either 154 or 160. He beat Davey Moore, who was in his fucking prime.
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If you won the Golden Gloves. That is a very- I didn't win the Golden Gloves.
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Even just getting into the ring, having the courage in your fucking underwear to step through those ropes with those stupid shoes on and big pads over your head, and you realize you're gonna just throw your hands at some other dude who's trying to KO you.
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And I was always moving. We were always moving to new neighborhoods.
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I got pushed around a little bit, like teenage boys do to each other, but I didn't like it. I didn't like it at all. And so I was like, look, I'm not growing. So it's like, what can I do to stop this fear that I have of conflict? I was terrified of conflict with kids because I did not know what to do. I had no training, no martial arts, and the only sport I'd ever played was baseball.
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And so I started doing martial arts, and I became obsessed.
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Yeah. Well, I first started with karate. I was going to this place called Esposito's Karate in Newton, Massachusetts. It might still be there. He was like the town legend. He was this black belt guy who was awesome, who taught this very popular school. But it was hard for me to get there. I didn't have a car. I was a kid. And so I would have to take a bus and walk a mile.
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It was like too much, especially in the winter. But I found this Taekwondo place in Kenmore Square in Boston, and the T would go right to it. I'd only have to walk a mile to get to the T, and then I'd get on the T. So I would do that every day. The T is public transportation? Exactly. So every day, I'd walk a mile, get on the T. After school? After school.
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As soon as school's over, I'd go right from my house, I'd grab my gym bag, and I'd go to the gym. I went every day. Great. So then, like, when I was in high school, I was traveling around the country fighting in tournaments. It was the weirdest shit. It's like I went from being terrified of fighting to, like, fighting all the time. Like, all the time. We were flying to Ohio.
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And, you know, I couldn't drive. I was 16 at the time. So I was with all these other guys. And most of them were, like, grown men. And we would all go. And I was competing as a grown man. I was competing as a rowman when I was like 15. What weight class were you? I won the state championship the first year at 140, but it was way too hard for me to weight the weight.
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And I was doing it like a moron. The guys who do it today, they really know what they're doing. I just stopped eating. I just stopped eating and stopped drinking water. And then I'd get in the shower and I'd shadow box in the shower when it was steaming hot. So I was trying to drain my body of weight. And then I'd have to fight that day, by the way. You'd have to fight the day you won.
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And you're so tired. Yeah. Yeah. So I won the States one year doing that, but I realized, like, I can't do this anymore. And I also tried being a vegetarian. I tried a bunch of stuff. And then the next year, when I was 18, then I started eating. Then I went up to 150. I think it was 55 or 54. I forget what the weight class was, but it was 50-something. I went up to that, and then I got way better.
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It was all day. The moment I would get home from school, I'd usually eat something real quick, grab my bag.
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Like a banana? What would you eat? I didn't eat good. I was retarded. I would eat a bowl of cereal. I was a kid. Yeah, right. Yeah, of course. And I didn't have a lot of guidance. My parents both worked. So I fend for myself. Whatever's in the house, I'd eat that. And then I'd get on the T and head out and go train. And so-
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An hour. Yeah. So while you were traveling, you're digesting. Yeah. Because it takes like an hour to get there at least. It takes like a half hour to walk and then 20 minutes on the train.
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Well, yeah, yeah. And then I started teaching. That was a big thing too.
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Well, you would always start up, but mostly we'd start with technique, right? So most of the time you would start with just straight kicks. You would just practice kicks. And you're also warming up, so you go through a whole warm-up routine. You'd practice your kicks, like, mostly just for form. So you'd practice kicks.
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And then you would practice kicks with specific, they would call it like a one step. Like you would come at me with a thing and I would practice stepping to the side and countering. You'd practice that way. Then you would do sparring. And we sparred almost every night. And some of the sparring was fucking horrific.
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And you're sparring, you know, all these people that are bigger than you, stronger than you. And I was a kid.
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And then you would heavy bag work. Heavy bag work was always at the end. When you were exhausted, you'd work on your power. And then there were some days we just came in and only worked on technique. You didn't spar. Those are good days. You could just only work on your power, like heavy bag work, drills, speed, speed drills, focus mitts.
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You'd have these pads, these paddles that people hold and you'd throw kicks at the paddles. And you're just all working on making it so it just has no telegraph. It just goes off. You're trying to have it just go off like a switch. And so you're just constantly drilling it as if you're competing. And then you'd go on the weekends, you'd go compete somewhere.
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Yeah, I ran. I did. But, you know, honestly, I hated running and I spent so much time training already that my endurance was fine.
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And I would do rounds in the bag. I always felt like rounds in the bag were better endurance anyway because that was like what you were going to actually do.
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Yeah, I would do sit-ups, and I would do push-ups, and I would do chin-ups and shit like that, but not a whole lot of things. Most of it was heavy bag training and sparring. That alone is a great workout. It was quite a while before they started accepting even the idea of weightlifting.
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For a long time, boxers, we were just talking about this the other day with Burt Soren from SorenX, and he was saying that boxers were told that if they lifted weights, they would be really stiff until Evander Holyfield came around. And Evander Holyfield kind of changed everybody's opinion of it because he lifted weights, moved up to heavyweight from cruiserweight. It was awesome.
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And everyone was like, hey, maybe weightlifting just makes you stronger. And now they all do it. It's kind of funny. Almost all those guys have some kind of. strength and conditioning routine now.
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I think I'm addicted to it for mental health reasons too.
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I think doing something difficult is very important, especially if it's self-administered. Do something really hard and it makes the rest of your day easier. And it also is just, you know, Andrew Huberman has talked about this. There's a specific area of your brain. And when you do uncomfortable things, that area of your brain grows.
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And when you're sedentary and you're not doing shit, that area of your brain actually shrinks. So it enhances your ability to do difficult things by doing difficult things regularly. So it's not just like, oh, I'm addicted to it. It's like, no, it's a vitamin. Like, you should do it. Like, you should do it. It makes your brain more resilient.
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Like, doing hard things, like, oh, I like to just lay on the couch. Bitch, I do too. Everybody does. Everybody likes to lay on the couch. That's not the point. The point is it's not good for you.
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And I just wanted to show you this just before we get rolling. Biden just released— A bunch of people. Multiple Chinese spies and an individual convicted of possessing child pornography. I think he's released – how many people has he pardoned today?
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Obviously, your situation was very extreme, and you needed relief in any way you could find it, through Jesus, through exercise, through everything, through constantly being aware. But for just any person listening to this, do something hard. Just make yourself do something hard all the time. Just trust me. You'll feel better. Your life will work better. You'll be able to handle things better.
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You'll be able to handle disputes better, conversations better, interactions with people better. Do something hard.
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The friendliest people that I know are all killers. Interesting. They're all killers. That's interesting. The friendliest people that I know. If you met, like, some of my friends that fight in the UFC, if you didn't know who they were and you met them, they're the most lovely people. Like Daniel Cormier, my...
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he's the he does color commentary with me so it's me and Daniel and this guy John Anik we're all very tight Daniel was a middleweight champ excuse me light heavyweight champion and heavyweight champion he was a two division world champion and was dominating in a weight class that in In Strikeforce, he didn't even belong in heavyweight. He's like 5'11". He's not a big guy.
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He's just such an insane tank of a human being. And his wrestling was so insane. And his just will was so insane. He dominated. Dominated two different divisions. He was a killer. The nicest fucking guy you'd ever meet in your life. If you're hanging around with him, you would never believe. You would never believe that he could pick up anybody in the room and smash them on their head.
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You would never believe it. You would think he's just a sweetheart of a guy.
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Oh my God, Tommy Hearns in his prime was an assassin.
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Well, you have to be a psycho. He's kind of a psycho. You have to be the type of person that tweets, I hate Taylor Swift, like a psycho. It's just a maniac mindset. But without that, you don't keep fighting. They tried to kill him twice. That's right. And one of them nicked his ear. And there were literally people online doubting whether or not he got hit. You see blood coming off of his ear?
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People were saying it was staged so that he could avoid prison. I mean, I heard prominent people say these things.
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Some prominent woman tweeted that he got shot because he's trying to get out of jail, out of going to jail. I don't care what you were trying to say. That's such an insane take on a former president who's running for office again being assassinated. You should be against assassinations. Assassinations are horrible. It's against the law. It's one of the most horrific. No matter what did he do?
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He paid off a lady? Is that what he did? You think you should get shot in the fucking head for that?
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What did he do? What did he do that you think he deserves getting shot in the fucking head?
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And this complete lack of appreciation that the whole thing is rigged. The whole thing is corrupt. That's not good for you either. It's not good for anybody. Just because you label yourself a liberal, you can't watch them throw the Constitution in the toilet. You can't just sit back and watch them because, yeah, that's good. They're doing it against Trump. Oh, he got shot. Good.
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Are you fucking crazy? People getting shot is good? How are the love people, the progressive people, the people on the left, how are they like, I wish that guy didn't miss? How are they doing that? Because that's how lost we've gotten with this mainstream political narrative. They feed you what you're supposed to think and you never have the ability to think it out for yourself.
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It's like groups of people just going through the information and coming to a conclusion as a country. Instead, you have to be on fucking a car...
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You're in a gang. You're just not in the Aryan race.
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Exactly. And they'll fucking turn on you. They'll all turn on each other. They do it all the time because they're all just scrambling for stature.
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Does that make any sense? It does. And anybody that would push back against that, I would say, listen, before you even form an opinion, I want you to think about what happened when he got shot. So he gets tackled. He's got blood coming out of his ear. Guns grow off. Guy behind him is dead. Guy got shot protecting his family.
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He stands up and he throws his hand up in the air and says, fight, fight, fight. That's not fake. Right. That's in the moment after getting hit by a bullet, covered by the Secret Service, guy behind him is dead. How many gunshots had rung off? Nine shots between the snipers killing him, him shooting. I think he shot three times.
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And then he fight, fight, fight. That's in the moment. That's right. That's in the moment. That's right. Everybody loves America, including people that aren't in America, which is why so many people are sneaking over to America, okay? There's not a whole lot of people sneaking into Libya. Everybody loves America.
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But it's the shit because of personal freedom. And because you can be somebody here.
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You can be anything you want. You could be a doctor, a lawyer, an author, a painter, a musician. You can do anything you want.
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I have a friend of mine from the UK. When he moved over here, one of the first things he said was, in England, they try to push you down if you try to get ahead. Like they'll try to dismiss you. It's like tall poppy syndrome. They don't want anybody rising above everybody else.
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It's generally very energetic people who don't have any ambition. So they have all this energy and they put their energy into this nonsense instead of sorting your life out and pursuing something for yourself. This is how it should all work. everybody should have an equal opportunity to be educated and to pursue their dreams. But we're not going to have equality of effort.
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It's not going to exist. I can't tell you to do what I do, but I'll tell you what I do. And you could either listen and pay attention. You could say, oh, look at all the effectiveness. Look at how he's been able to do so many different things. How is that possible? Well, it's all simple. It's all just hard work. Not everybody wants to do that.
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So if you want a quality of outcome and you don't have a quality of effort, then you have tyranny. Because then you have people who are a bunch of energetic people who don't have a lot of ambition and they don't have any talent and they want to control people. And they don't like when people achieve a higher social status than them or economic status. They get angry. Why not me? Hmm.
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There's a lot of that. That's a part of what the whole appeal to socialism. Of course, there's like the beautiful appeal that like there's a lot of things that are socialist in this world that are great. Like the fire department is essentially a socialist establishment. Right. We all pay for the fire department. We all agree that the fire department should act immediately when there's a fire.
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We're all paying into it. And it's great. We could have other things like that, too. That should be how education is. That should probably be how the police force is. That's all great. But as soon as you want a quality of outcome, you're ignoring a quality of effort. Right. It's of course, some people were born rich. Of course, it's not fair.
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Of course, some people are born in broken homes and it's harder for them. Of course, the fucking games rigged. It's not fair.
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But everybody, even given the worst of circumstances, it's at least not stopped from pursuing dreams.
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Hopefully. There's no hold fast rules, but hopefully success will come.
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For sure. At least you learn from that, and maybe you could apply those lessons to other things. It's not like there's an end to this. And everybody wants to look at it like there's some sort of a finish line. I'm telling you, it's not real. There's no finish line. It doesn't exist. You should just enjoy this moment and enjoy the whole process of whatever you're trying to do in life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Because there's never going to be a time where you're like, I did it. It's over. That's not real. I'm here to tell you, someone who's had the number one podcast for like six years or something like that, it's not real. There's no end. There's no like, I made it. It doesn't exist. And if it does exist, you're missing out on the whole point.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
The point is you're supposed to be getting better all the time at everything you do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
It's a constant thing. That's right. Physically, there's going to come a point in time when you can't really get better at things because you're getting old. But you can still do it mentally. You can still learn more. You can still pursue hobbies and interests and dreams and things that stimulate you and work towards stuff. It's a better way to live your life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
So he doesn't have to meet with you so you can say Obama asked me. You have other people, so there's plausible deniability.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And some people never get a chance to understand that. And you go through your whole life and maybe you're following the guru who's the gay porn star. And then all of a sudden you realize, I've wasted my experience here. I haven't learned from it. I haven't grown from it. I don't have anything to show for all my time here. I've just been making mistake after mistake.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And I never really figured out how to control my mind. And I never really figured out how to discipline myself into action. And here I am, never figured out puzzles. And here I am. Fuck. And those are the people that want equality of outcome. Those are the people who want equity. Those are the people that want to shut all the... Look, there's a lot of hedge fund people that are pretty creepy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
There's a lot of billionaires that are doing shady shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I mean, for sure we should keep an eye on people who want to change the weather, for sure. But at the end of the day... We're all just supposed to be human beings with an opportunity to try to succeed. It doesn't mean everybody's going to succeed. That's what's so crazy about this open-ended agreement you have with life. You don't know what's coming up. You don't know what's next.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
It's just like how do you respond to it when it happens? And for you, it's one of the most difficult things that a person could go through, and especially because you feel you were innocent.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
You could probably run in Vegas and win. You could be the king of Vegas.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Do you have any desire to be in politics anymore? Is it just too gross? How do you think about it now?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Well, anything that protects puppies. But to me, that sounds like the Patriot Act. Well, it's got to be good.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Well, they named it the Patriot Act. How are you going to say no to that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Oh, my goodness. You should have made so much money just emptying your bank accounts. Let's go, champ.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Would that be illegal? Maybe they put you back in jail for that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
In this day and age, what are you going to do other than this book?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Have you ever seen any of my podcasts that I've done with Josh Dubin?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
That's his main objective. Just through the podcast that we've done, multiple people have been released.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
He's always highlighting these fucked up cases where people were innocent and massive corruption in the prosecutor's office. You hear about these things, they're so heartbreaking. You just can't believe that someone would be willing- to have people go to jail for 25 to life for something that they know is a lie.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
They just indiscriminately bombed the cities? Did they bomb military bases?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
It sounds like you're bucking for an ambassador to Serbia position.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
He's going to sit you down with a Burger King. No, he's into Big Macs, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
No, you understand politics far more than most. What difficulties do they face in implementing real change? So there's all these ideas, the Doge idea, the Department of Government Efficiency, RFK taking over HHS, right? Health and Human Services, is that what it is? And so then Kash Patel with the FBI, Tulsi Gabbard. What is her...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Yes. So they all have these ideas to eliminate corruption or at least mitigate it and root out all the bad actors and find out what went wrong. Right. What what's in the way of that? What would stop them from being able to do all that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
So they criminalized Barack Obama trying to force his pick for Senate seat and you accepting it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Yeah. The people who make the polls. That's right. Those fucking people, they might as well be psychics. They might as well be that person with the neon sign that's reading cards. You guys were so off. It was so wild because people were so emboldened by them being so off. I'm sure you've seen a lot of these hilarious videos of Democrats who are absolutely sure she was going to win.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
We're going to win this. And they're all fired up and cocky and hooting and hollering and making fun of people. And then, bam, you see this landslide.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I thought it was going to be a lot closer because I thought, you know, until she kept making blunders. Like, if she just never did any interviews and just only did speeches like that first one that she did. That first one she did, like, have you got something to say to me? Say it to my face. And the whole place goes nuts. And you're like, whoa.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Like, she was young and energetic in comparison to him. Like, oh, my God. And then they all got behind her. Yeah. You see all the wind behind the sails of the media. They were all moving in March step. They were all marching together. They were all telling us, she's the best. She's number one. She's going to fix it. And I thought it was working. I really did. I was like, this might work.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Which is, I was fascinated to see. I was fascinated to see the whole machine turn in support of her. The people that had mocked her approval ratings just six months ago. They're making fun of her and how she's largely been quiet. And then all of a sudden, she's our answer.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Did you see Jill Biden dunking on her in that speech today?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Oh, my God. It's amazing. Jill Biden subtly does a Kamala Harris impression, and the audience knows it, and the audience starts laughing. Yeah, which is just like what I want to be a fly on the wall I would have loved to see how that like is essentially a coup went down.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Yes, right That's right is the first time ever someone who didn't get Elected correct through a primary right is somehow or another the representative for the Democratic Party. It's a little kind of dangerous If you really think about in that regard, it's kind of dangerous.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Lying to you. They're hoping that your compliance that you showed through COVID and everything else, they're hoping that's going to go along with this, and you're not going to stand up and go, hey, why don't you have a primary? What about Shapiro? What about all these different people? What about them running? Let's see what their solutions to these things are.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
She's already said she's not going to do anything different. This is kind of crazy. What are we doing?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Did you see this one in the back room? Crazy video of this poor girl. She's like hysteric. And she's talking to Kamala Harris and Kamala Harris is talking to her. And she's like, don't worry, we're going to win. We're going to win. And she's like saying this to this poor girl, like a college girl is like full of anxiety and all freaked out and just.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I just get so upset when I watch that because what got in your head that got you thinking that some horrific end to women's rights is coming? What happened?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Do you remember when Trump won? Was NBC or one of these fucking people tweeted out, this is our president, and it was Oprah?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I think it's a cult. I really do. And I think the Republicans didn't do themselves any justice by reversing Roe v. Wade. Because I think wanting that reversed is what put this fear in everyone that you're coming after women's reproductive rights, that men based on religious ideals are going to tell women what to do with their bodies.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
That's if that didn't happen, I think it would have been an even bigger victory for Trump.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Because I think that was one of the most important.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
subjects when for women that was one of the most important things that they were willing to draw the line on because they know where that goes they don't you as soon as you let someone have control over what you can and can't do with your body just like just to a smaller extent but like we're talking about with covid with so many different things when people have power and control over people they abuse it and they manipulate it and if you all of a sudden have laws so
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Yeah. See where you find that. Like a major network tweeted out, this is our president. Wow. I was like...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
whether these were unfounded fears or not, women were worried that people would get data from their fertility apps, right? So you have ovulation apps, and these ovulation apps, you say when you had your period, and it keeps track of when you're ovulating.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
That if a woman had one of those apps and was living in a state, because Roe v. Wade's been reversed, where abortion is illegal, and then she travels to another state and has an abortion, that she could be prosecuted based on the laws of the state. Which is... To me, that's terrifying. I agree.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Giving people that kind of power over other people, especially if they're doing something that's legal in that state. The whole idea of states' rights is supposed to be, first of all, we don't need passports to travel from state to state, right? But every state is essentially almost like a little different country that speaks the same language. This is a very different country than California.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I lived in both places. Yeah. You know, there's other places. New York's a very different country than this, but we all agree that we can travel back and forth. So then you leave me the fuck alone. If I'm not you don't know what I'm doing in this state.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And I don't want you check if someone has a miscarriage and then they go visit a state that has abortion laws and then they get visited by jackbooted thugs that think that they can oppose and put some girl in jail to send a message. Yeah. That's fucking terrifying. And that I think cost a lot of votes. And maybe it's a wrong perception. Maybe it's an extreme version of it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And I'm exaggerating, but I don't trust people. I don't trust people that have power over people. And I think the less power people have over people, the better. I think if you want people to have less abortions, make more birth control available. Make it available everywhere. Education, but that's not going to help because kids are crazy. You get horny, you go nuts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
But there's a lot of people that make mistakes that... If a man could get pregnant, if men could get pregnant, I always said abortion would be an app on your phone. We would have them at the gas station. We'd get abortions everywhere. Like, there would be no babies. It's, you know, it's a very complicated decision for someone to make.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And, you know, Joe Biden ironically said it best a long time ago. He said abortion should be legal and rare.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
It's very, very real. I don't think you should let the government ever be involved in the choices you make with your body. I don't think that. And I understand the pro-life perspective. I get it. I've talked to very intelligent, reasonable people that believe that life begins at the moment of conception, even in the case of rape. That's right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I'm like, okay, I don't agree with you, but I understand where you're coming from. And I could put myself in your mindset and I could see that. I could see how you would think that. I could see how you'd say two wrongs don't make a right. I could see it. I just don't agree with it. And, you know, I don't agree with it because I would not want to be a woman carrying a rapist baby.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I don't give a fuck what you say. And if you want to impose that on a person because you have a different set of beliefs than a person, where does that end? Where does that end?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
It gets fucking weird. It gets weird when you let people control people. Think about how many people are yelling at people to wear a mask outside. Where's your mask? People are fucking weird, man. When you give them any kind of control over people, I don't trust them. And that's not like a pro abortion position. That's a pro. I don't trust people and their decision making ability.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And their abuse of power decision. That's what that is. That's my position.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Exactly. Which I agree with, with fucking everything. Right. You know, if you want to get face tattoos, I wouldn't recommend it, but I have a bunch of friends who have face tattoos. I don't know. Jelly Roll's got a bunch of them. I love that guy to death.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
A lot of nice guys with face tattoos. How many fighters I know with face tattoos?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Fucking great guy. Sean O'Malley. Shout out to my man, Sean. Face tattoos, awesome guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Oh, wow. That's hilarious. Did you record anything?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Oh, that's too bad. That would have been amazing tapes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Let them have YouTube channels. But I had to. You know how great that would be? YouTube jail channels. Tell the jail, listen, you can make profits off of this. Why don't you split the profits with the emits? No.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Because he put socks over his face when he robbed the bank? Is that why?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
This guy was a badass, dude. That's hilarious. Yeah, there's good people that make bad choices. Yeah. Yeah, and we've got to throw people away. That's crazy. There's so many people I'm sure that you've met that have a lot of potential. And I've met a lot of people that have been in jail that are amazing people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
One of my favorite guests that I've ever had on is Freeway Ricky Ross.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
No. No, it's the real one. The real Ricky Ross who was selling cocaine, getting it from the government and selling it in South Central Los Angeles and not even knowing what he was a part of, funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas. Holy shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
The whole Oliver North thing. That's freeway Ricky Ross. He was a legend. He was making millions every week. Every week. Millions of dollars. Couldn't read. Couldn't read, was a tennis player, really good tennis player, but not good enough to be pro, but illiterate. Goes to jail. Becomes a lawyer in jail, teaches himself to read.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I believe it was federal prison. Goes to jail and finds out that, because he understands law, that they had used the three strikes rule incorrectly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And that it's supposed to be three separate incidents of felonies. This was three felonies in one incident.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And so he got off. Beautiful. He got himself out of jail.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Oh, he's in a long time. How long is Freeway Ricky Ross in? But he's the nicest guy. He's funny. He's like, you're telling me this guy didn't deserve a second chance?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Where's he at now? He's back in L.A. He just did the podcast recently. How long ago did he do it? Was it last year? I feel like it was this year. Yeah, I know it was this year. What month?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
He's going ham. Everybody can get their – sign your checks, send them in, let's go. Wow. Wow. Possession of child pornography should be like you shouldn't be able to pardon for stuff like that. It's like there are certain things. It's like, come on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Yeah, I'll connect you guys. I love that guy to death. And that's his main quest in life, you know, to help people. And then he's got so many stories of these people getting out and doing incredible things and helping other people as well. Turning it back around, giving it back, trying to work and educate these young guys and also trying to stop them from doing bad things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Just give them some life skills so they can make good decisions instead of bad decisions. Because some people are just... Like there's a reality of being trapped by your circumstances. And if you have not experienced that, and luckily I haven't, and I'm very fortunate, but there's a lot of people that do. And to discount that is fucking crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And we take people and we just put them in cages and we forget about them. And it's convenient for us. And just lock them up. Just lock everybody up. Like stop locking people up. What we need to do is understand that we lock more people up than anybody anywhere. And it doesn't make us safer. What we got to do is get to the root of why so many people are getting locked up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And we've ignored that. We've ignored that. It's like we're constantly cutting cancerous tumors off. We're not going, hey, why do we keep getting cancer? Like, is there something we could do different? There's a lot we could do different. Think about just the money that we have sent to Ukraine. Imagine if that money just went to rehabilitating the cities in North America. There you go.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
How much good could you do with $200 billion in America in a year?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I support her stock trades. Yeah, I didn't know about any of those. Did you go to Pelosi Stock Tracker?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Oh, my God. No kidding. I'm not really a stock market person. I don't pay attention. But I do know people that are very invested in the stock market, and Pelosi Stock Tracker is legit. Like, you could find out what she's buying, and you should buy it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I don't know how she has the time considering she's so busy serving the people. But if she was just a pure stock trader, she'd probably be the biggest of all time. She's that good. Well, probably not. No, I'm telling you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
No, no, no, no. She's a psychic. She's got talent. She gets it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Well, I think they lost a lot of it during this election because a lot of black folks looked at all these illegal aliens that are coming in here getting all these benefits and getting put up in the Roosevelt Hotel and getting free food and getting EBT cards. And they were like, what the fuck is this? Like, what about us? Like, there was a lot of people in Chicago that were up in arms about that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
This is like 100% evidence that these people who are pretending to be on your side don't give a fuck about you. There you go. That's the reality of it. Now, if Trump can demonstrate that he gives a fuck, it'll change the whole narrative. If he can do real things while he's in office, and he seems like a guy who's motivated to do real things. Just...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And I'm talking to my lawyer Quinlan and I say there is NBC nothing but respect for our future president
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
If you could just get 10% less people winding up in jail, imagine what that is. Imagine what that is. 10% more people that are contributing to society. And that's a minor goal. That's a totally doable thing. That's not unrealistic at all. But if you can get 10%, 10% probably would give birth to 20 or 30 eventually.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I think people would recognize like, oh, there's a path that I can get my children into that will give them a real secure future outside of this. And then you've got to do something about law enforcement. You've got to mitigate all the gang activity and violence. You can't have people growing up thinking that violence is the way and that drug dealing is the way and shooting people is normal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
You've got to – you can't let that flourish and grow. You can't let that happen. And they – for whatever reason, have never fully addressed it. They've never addressed it with the kind of resources that we address so many of our problems.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Well, I think the whole he's racist narrative just died.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Instead of making the schools better, they lower the standards.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
I'm not going to move to England. I'm just going to mock NBC. So what does it say? Yesterday, a tweet about the Golden Globes and Oprah Winfrey was sent by a third-party agency for NBC Entertainment in real time during the broadcast. It is in reference to a joke made during the monologue and not meant to be a political statement. We have since removed the tweet. Right. Okay.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Whatever it is. Whatever crazy number that doesn't even make sense in my head.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Whatever the number is. Right. We have so much money to send to all these countries in foreign aid. We just gave a billion dollars to Africa in case they get hit by storms, you know, for natural disasters. What? How much would it cost? How much would it cost to fix every school in the country? How much would it cost? It can't be done. Okay. Are you telling me it can't be done with $39 trillion?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
If I gave you $39 trillion, do you think that you could fix every school in the country? I bet you could. I bet you have a lot of money left over. Okay. So let's forget the $39 trillion because that's ridiculous. But what's the number? How much would it actually cost to just with –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Like proper planning, a real strategy, and hire the best professionals you possibly can, compensate them well with a goal entirely focused on fixing the education system in America. Taking our standing where we are internationally, which is very low now, and raising it back up to the top. How do we do that? How much would it cost? Just help me out. Help me out. It's not insurmountable.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Like if I said $39 trillion, you'd be like, yeah, you could definitely do it. Yeah, you could definitely pay people so much money.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
So you think that even if there was some sort of executive order or some sort of bill that gets passed where they concentrate entirely on raising the standard of education at whatever it costs. Like this is a priority for our country. The more people that we have that are highly educated, the less losers, the less crime, the less everything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
The more people participate, the better the dream gets, the more competition there is. We all strive. Rising tide lifts all boats. Let's fucking go.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
If they did that, you think the teachers union would be the biggest impediment to actual success?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
And then there's also the factor of their growing up in crime-ridden neighborhoods and they're probably not getting enough nourishment. There's a lot of factors that would also inhibit your ability to even absorb information, the stress and the trauma. So what you really got to do is fix all that in cities. That's another thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Like, how much would it cost to significantly put a dent in crime in all cities and do it in a way where people didn't think you're sending the military in to clean it up? And, you know, it's not a militarization of cities. Like, there's got to be a way to do it. How much would it cost?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Absolutely. The question is, how would you do it if you were a part of the administration? If Donald Trump heard this conversation and said, you know what, I think he's I think he's right. And I think we can do something about it. What would you do?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Well, it would first be, both are connected, right? Crime and education, they're connected. And the lowest income, most crime-ridden communities has the lowest education levels, right? So they're inexorably connected. You can't just deal with education without dealing with crime, so you'd have to do both.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
What's the dream one? What's the dream conversation?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
But isn't there like a title that would allow you to do what you want to do?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
You have homies. You're like one of the few former governors with homies. Like, legit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2245 - Rod Blagojevich
Like, for real, a guy who hadn't done time to say my homies, like, shut the fuck up. Those guys you play pickleball with?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2214 - Shane Smith
There's a few people doing it. Yeah. They're all investigative journalists. They're all independent. They're all completely outside of any kind of Washington Post.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2214 - Shane Smith
and i got you know my eyes were too big for my stomach in a way because you're just like let's keep going the big thing too is keep it small keep it small dude keep it small like it's just me and jamie and we have a video editor that's not even local he just gets it on the internet and also jamie is super good vibes which is yeah no he's the best but it's it's the most important i have friends that have big podcasts and they have like this huge staff yeah and they have all these people running around i'm like what do all these people do
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2214 - Shane Smith
And it's like they want this feeling of they're the boss of a bunch of employees for some reason. Like they want all these production people that are creating content. But then you have inter-office conflicts and they're always putting out fires and people are complaining. And then people leave and make videos talking about what a piece of shit boss you were.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And it's like, hey, man, you're dealing in this thing where there's currency in that information. There's currency for these people. these mediocre people. So you hire these mediocre people, and these mediocre people attack you because there's currency in attacking you, but you didn't need them in the first place. This whole thing was stupid.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2214 - Shane Smith
You're making a little bit more money, but you have more problems, but you don't notice that money. You have to pay attention to what you notice. Whatever the fuck you have in your bank account, If you're a fairly wealthy person and you have $100 more, $100 less, $1,000 more, $1,000 less, you don't notice it. But I'll tell you what you do notice. You notice hassle. You notice problems.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Those problems are worth a lot of money to get rid of. Like, if you had a bunch of employees, like, fuck, what can I do? There's so many people. It's so annoying. God, I wish we were small again. Getting back to small again is a grind. You've got to fire people. You've got to downsize. You've got to figure out how to do it. That's a mess, man. You don't want that mess.
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So that extra money that you got by making things too big, you fucked yourself. You got greedy. You looked at it the wrong way. Like, someone said to me, like, I was in the parking lot of the comedy store. This friend of mine was not even very successful.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It was like, I'm trying to find a new assistant. I go, why do you need a new assistant? He goes, you don't have an assistant? I go, no. I go, this is what you do. Do less shit. If you need an assistant, you're doing too many things. Do less shit. Don't get a fucking assistant. You have an assistant, you have what happens at David Spade.
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The guy shows up with duct tape and a taser and tries to kill you. Remember that? Because they wind up resenting you. Because if you've got some person who's working for you, he's making $50,000 a year and you're making, you have $50 million. They want to kill you. After a while, they're like, I'm a part of this too. They don't think of it as this is a great job.
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This job could eventually lead to something bigger. People get resentful. Also, the type of people that are 34 years old, they're working as an assistant. probably a little fucked up, probably made some mistakes, probably not really on the right path in life.
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Now all of a sudden you're connected at the hip to this person, and then they want to tell you about their problems, and maybe got an ex-wife, or maybe they got a this, and if they're making more money, they're going to make more money. And so you've, because you wanted to appear like you have a, everybody wants a big organization. Like Vice is big now.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, it's like I had an unexpected education, like an unanticipated, unplanned education in all sorts of things.
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You know, the JRE, we have a thousand employees worldwide. We have three employees.
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Shane, can I pull you aside for a second? There's a project that my friend and I are working on. I'd really like to get you involved.
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Yeah. Fun is the most important thing. Brian Cowell said this to me once and it's really great advice. He goes, all you really want is to be able to go to a restaurant and not worry about what things cost.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You get used to cars. You get used to houses. I realized early on, I got an apartment when I lived in North Hollywood. It was the first nice apartment I had. But after I was in it a couple of weeks, it was just my house.
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It's pretty amazing, yeah. I mean, you learn a lot of bullshit, too. Like, some of the stuff you learn is not true.
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Just like the house I have now. It's not that much different. It's just like you're home. Okay, great. What do you need? You need a couch. You need a TV. You need a bedroom. You need a kitchen. That's all you need. Hopefully it doesn't stink. Hopefully it doesn't suck. Hopefully your neighbors aren't loud. Hopefully it would be nice if you have a view. That's cute. But other than that.
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Is it online? Can I see this thing? You can see it. Yeah, yeah. Did you put it online?
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What would Johnny Cash feel about his Rolls Royce getting Tesla power?
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No, Johnny Cash. You said he had the number one show on TV? Yeah, the Johnny Cash Variety Hour. Oh, my God. I thought you said Johnny Carson.
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So when the batteries go bad, you can just swap the batteries out. Just plug it in? No, you just plug it in. No, but eventually the batteries will deteriorate to the point where you'll get really low mileage. You'll probably get low mileage already, right?
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God, that's beautiful. You must have had to upgrade the brakes in a big way, right? Because it's very heavy.
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Yeah, they do swap overs for, I know they do Porsches. I think they do a Mustang as well. But they take these classic cars. The problem is, you're not supposed to do that.
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I don't have any desire to have one of these things, but I think they're dope as fuck. They're dope as fuck. But the thing is, for me, I see that. Oh, that's disgusting. Get that off the screen. That does disturb me to no end. You took a GT40 and turned it electric. The thing about those old cars is the mechanical feel, and that is 90% of the experience of driving one of those old cars.
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Anyway, I love it. The thing is, like, they're supposed to have – I can see doing it with Johnny Cash's car. It's kind of funny. But you do into that, you should go to jail. You do that to a GT40, you should go right to jail.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, not really. Originally, you know, this is Ferrari versus Ford. This is the original car. I actually have the next version of that, which is the Ford GT. I have one of the 2005 ones that's a stick shift. I feel like if you drive a car like that, you have to drive a manual. It can only go, say, 160 miles. Right. And that's if you're driving like a grandma. But it has 800 horsepower.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's legit. I mean, he was an environmental attorney.
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It's probably fast as shit. You know, electric cars are different than any other car in terms of the speed that you get and the way it feels. You just go whoosh.
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That's that car. That car is like visceral. It's exciting. There's an engine behind you. It's like, let's go, baby.
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You want to feel the bumps. You want to feel the fucking steering in your hand, the wiggling of the tires. It's a ride. It's not efficient. It's not supposed to be efficient. It's an experience. It's a sensory overload. It's not just transportation.
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That was his background. And, you know, he's had a crazy life. Imagine you're 14 years old and your dad gets killed by who knows.
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That's why turning one of those things into electric is gross.
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Yeah, most of those... They're cool. They're cool. I'm interested in engineering and artwork, right? And that's why I have so much art in this place. I love people's expression.
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And I feel like cars are artwork. That's how I view cars. Sure. Especially old cars. Yeah. I have a lot of old cars. Art Deco cars. Muscle cars. 1960s to early 1970s muscle cars. That's what I love. I love them. I love them. I drive them like they're just... It's like I'm on an amusement park ride. That's how I feel about them. When I was a kid... Those were the cars that everybody wanted.
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So to me, it's like I get a real joy out of those. But if I didn't have them, I'd be fine. If I just drove my Tesla to work every day, I would be fine. The level of happiness you get in terms of how much you have to work for some things, it's not worth it. It's not worth it. Too many people strive for this thing that doesn't give you anything back. It's just this thing that's hard.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Just because something's hard to get doesn't mean it's good to get. And there's a lot of things that people strive for that are difficult to achieve, but they're not valuable when you get there.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, it's a real thing. You know, I don't know who's doing it or what faction or how small the amount of people are that are involved in it. I mean, imagine if you're like a legitimate person working for the CIA and you think that the CIA is trying to assassinate Trump and you're like, well, what the fuck? Or whoever.
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I have a 69 that has been completely redone by this guy, Steve Strope. So nice. And it's the craziest Nova ever.
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It's a different flex. Yeah. You know, the Ferrari, you just have money. That's a Nova. That's it.
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Mine is like, it's got 1969 Camaro fenders, so they made it wider so they could fit larger tires and tubbed it out. It's all custom. It has a supercharged LT4.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, it's a very efficient driving car, but it's just so fun. It's just like you drive that thing. It's just this experience of sounds. And to me, it's like those cars are the ones that resonate with me. But if I only had...
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#2214 - Shane Smith
one i would be fine i just like them every now and then but they're not they're not the thing they're not the end all be all they're not family friends love community there's all these things that people put those objects above they put above everything in your life you strive for that thing because it's a symbol of success yeah and it's nonsense
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's got to be. I mean, it's got to be a small faction of intelligence agencies that want to do things like how many people do you think were involved in the Kennedy assassination?
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That's so crazy that a watch is $500,000. Oh, some of them are like $5 million.
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It's good for your brain. Positivity. It's good for your mental health.
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It's also, it's what life is about. Life is about growth. It's about learning. It's about experiencing things. And when you get an opportunity to talk to someone, like I talked to this woman the other day, Diane Boyd, she wrote this book, A Woman Amongst Wolves. She spent her entire life tracking wolves and handling them and collaring them and studying them.
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And she lived in a cabin in the woods for years by herself with no water and no electricity.
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Yeah, fascinating. You're a totally different type of person than I've ever experienced. What's your life like? What do you do? What do you think about this?
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And if you can figure out how that's your job, and it's not just something that you do on the bus on the way home, but it's actually your job, that's a good life.
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Is there a way to do something like the original vice, but just keep it small and never let it grow?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, it's the old adage, go woke, go broke. And that's what happened with Vice. People stopped. They just stopped paying. Vice is one of the best examples of go woke, go broke ever. Because Vice was fucking huge and it was exciting. It was interesting. You know, you had great shows. And then it just got too weird.
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You have to live your life. This idea that your career should be your whole life is foolish.
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What made you want to do that? Just got tired of being on the outside looking in?
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We most certainly have, and we live in the greatest time of technological change in human history. We started out, like you and I can remember when phones were attached to the wall.
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I remember when it was a, we had to spin the wheel to make a phone call.
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And if you fucked up, like, God damn it, you had to hang up and start from scratch. It took a long time to make a phone call. Joe, there's a phone call for you. Right. And when people would call and you were on the phone, it would just be busy. Yeah.
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You call him back. God damn, he's still busy. And then it became call waiting. Oh, hold on. Someone else is calling.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Maybe they're more important than you. Hold, please. And then you come back. And then it was caller ID. Oh, this motherfucker's calling. Fuck him. And then answering machines were the greatest. And when you could get a remote answering machine so I could call my answering
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machine and listen to you leave me a message hey meet me at the bar at 10 and I'd call you back and leave a message on your machine hey I got your message I'll meet you at the bar at 10 I love that.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I'll see you on Saturday at 8. But we were also free from the confines of social media. And social media has brought an incredible amount of information to people, but has also created a lot of very mentally ill people, whether they realize it or not. It's like you're getting a low dose of radiation all day long, every day.
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And then it can be psychologically very damaging if you read stuff about yourself. You know, I've had many friends that started becoming successful and then started doing really well and then started reading people's comments about them. The hate is crazy. And it drives them nuts. It hurts their feelings. It really does. I mean, oh, poor baby. But I mean, really, as a human being.
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Yeah, they're human beings. And I know that the people, look, If I was not a famous person, I was a person that was like who I was when I was 19 years old, I would 100% be leaving shitty comments on YouTube videos and shitty comments on someone's Instagram or Twitter or whatever. It's what people do. It's normal.
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It's not the people's fault because it's a very disconnected, disassociated way of communicating with people that's not congruent. It's not normal for human communication. It's not what we're designed. We're designed to do this. I'm looking at you. You're looking at me. I smile. You smile. We're buddies. We have a good time. That's how people are used to communicating with each other.
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When you're communicating with people through text, it's fucking bizarre. It's very bizarre. It's very different. And it's not good for you to take in the opinions of hundreds of thousands of people that may or may not be mentally ill, may or may not be going through a divorce. Yeah, have an ax to grind. Or just...
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Look, if you're successful in particular, there's a lot of unsuccessful people that are very bitter, very sad, and they want to find everything wrong with you. We were talking about this in the green room last night. I fucking loved the new Beetlejuice movie. I loved it. I read so many bad reviews of it. So many bad reviews that it fell flat. I had a giant smile on my face the whole time.
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I'm a huge Tim Burton fan. I think the guy's brilliant, and I think his movies are so unique because they have this fingerprint of Tim Burton on them. It's like it's so obviously through his mind, his vision. I think the guy's incredible. I love all his films. So for me, I was like, oh, this is great. When they got to the Soul Train, I was like, yes! Yeah. I love it. This is so Tim Burton.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And so many people criticized that in particular. There was something offensive about the Soul Train. Like, fuck off.
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Everything. It's a fucking cheeseburger. I love cheeseburgers. It's fucking good. Some guy from the New York Times wrote a negative review about Peter Luger's Steakhouse in Brooklyn. Peter Luger's Steakhouse in Brooklyn is a fucking classic.
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But this review was so toxic. And Ari and I had just eaten there. Ari Emanuel? No, Ari Shafir. Sorry. We had just been there like a month before. And we're like, what the fuck are you talking about? We had one of the best meals of our life.
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Yeah, it comes sizzling and there's butter on it and the smell.
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All the guys who worked there have been there for 35 years. Shout out to Peter Lugers. Shout out to Peter Lugers. But it's the point. It's like even a place like that, that you should go there and just take in what you're experiencing. You're experiencing a classic old-school steakhouse that does it exactly the same way every time.
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Forever. But it's just that people, even in that, will find negativity. Everything sucks. And I think we were talking about this last night, that I think this is a symbol of the times we're going through right now because everyone is so anxious. The presidential elections are headed and no one knows what the fuck is going to happen or what's the right answer. Is it better if she gets in?
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Is it better if he gets in? Is he going to be a dictator? Is she going to crack down on free speech? Are we going to be in World War III? Does Iran have a fucking nuke? Was that earthquake a nuke or was it just an earthquake? There's a nuclear test.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Why does God hate Florida? All these different things. There's so much going on. Israel and Gaza and the Middle East and Fuck man, it's so everyone is like fuck Tim Burton fuck that movie fuck this fuck that restaurant It's like it's just this the zeitgeist is disturbed. We don't have it's not a peaceful time in in our lot of anxiety Yeah, yeah
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And I think we're missing out on the reality of our existence, which if we lived at any other time, we lived in 1924, and you got a time machine to go to 2024, you'd be like, holy shit, this is amazing.
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And you couldn't drink water because you'd get the shit.
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It was bad. There's a reason why most people in history were drunk. Because they had to drink alcohol because if you drank regular water, you'd have fucking poison in it. It's like you're getting bacteria.
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There's no good stats. Well, there's a good stat in terms of if you look at society in comparison to society of 200 years ago, it's safer.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It could literally be one guy who's a top executive. Or a hundred. Or a few people that come to a conclusion and don't even have to say it. And then a plan gets hatched. Yeah. And then next thing you know, there's a guy on a roof.
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This is my fear with universal basic income, which I think is inevitable.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I think that's the only way we're going to be able to keep people alive. My fear is that we're going to have too much control over those people if we do that, and those people will have no purpose. And we'll have an even more disenfranchised population than we have today. And the haves and the have-nots will be even further and further apart.
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And there's no real education that is in school today where you take a child and you say, hey, look, the world is going to change and most of these jobs are going to be useless. You're going to have to find something that you love that resonates with people. And if you do that, people are going to be willing to exchange that for money.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Whatever it is. If you can make- Ceramics. This table, a guy named Drew made this table. I know the man who made it. He is a carpenter. He made a table out of wood. We gave him the specifications. I told him I like oak. You're like, this is a handmade thing. And a handmade thing is always, to me, is going to be very valuable. I love a handmade knife. Yes. I love things that someone worked on.
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I love a painting like- A painting that someone like my friend Taylor made this. He painted it. He sat down in his studio. He painted it. And I love that. That's always going to be valuable. The problem is most people have never been encouraged to pursue their interest. They've been encouraged to get a job and get a safe job.
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And they probably don't even know what their interests are or how those interests could translate.
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It's not necessarily buy them off. It's keep them alive. Yeah, keep them alive. Because people are not going to have any fucking money.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I don't think we should look at it that way. I think there's got to be a concerted effort to educate people about the possibilities of their life on earth. That they've been indoctrinated to think that they have to be a worker. How many of these people are out there that are doing masonry work really want to be a painter? How many of those people that really wanted to be in a band?
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How many of those people? There's something probably that most people want to do. One thing the universal basic income will do is if you give everybody 100 grand a year, whatever it is, you're going to satisfy. They're not going to worry about rent. They're not going to worry about food. So now maybe they can pursue. The problem is people get fucking lazy when you give them free money.
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But a lot of people, they just exist and they'll just play video games all day. And, you know, look, if we're going to deal with a society where everything is run by AI and automated, you're going to have to give people money. Because the extraordinary wealth that's going to be generated by AI is going to make that not that difficult to do.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Right? Over the last couple of years, we've given 100 and what? How many billion dollars to Ukraine? I think it's more than, it's up to 200 billion now.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Something crazy like that. That amount of money, when you're dealing with AI, when you're dealing with automation, just to keep people fed and housed, like, that's reasonable. But you're going to have to figure out a way to give people purpose. Yes. And that's going to have to be a revamping of the education system.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, it is if you enjoy it. Exactly. Yeah. If you have a business that you actually enjoy doing.
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We have to. And there's also this comparing thing. You know, I was at dinner the other night and my friend who's friends with this billionaire. His friend is a billionaire. And his friend was comparing his wealth to friends of his that own multiple corporations that are worth 30, 40 billion. He's like, I'm fucking poor compared to that guy.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You missed the whole point. You missed the whole point of getting wealthy. You have fuck you money and you're not even saying fuck you. You should be on a boat somewhere, man. You should be marlin fishing. You should be fucking lying in the sun. You should be doing things you enjoy doing. You should be taking that trip you always wanted to take. That's what you're supposed to be doing.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You're not supposed to be keeping up with other billionaires. So you're working 16 hours a day on Adderall just so that you can fucking get those stock numbers moving.
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So you don't have to worry about like, I remember the first check I got a real check. I got a development deal from Disney of all people when I was like, uh, I guess I was like 26 and, And it was the first time I ever had a good chunk of money, like six figures in the bank. And I felt weight. Different. I felt weight lifted off me. Like a physical feeling of, whoa.
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Because my whole life, it's like, how am I going to eat? How am I going to pay my rent? How am I going to do this? And then all of a sudden. I don't have to worry about that anymore. And I was like, oh, I get it now. And I remember this revelation. Like, okay, now I just have to keep this momentum going.
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Because once you have a good amount of money where you don't have to worry about money anymore, you don't want to ever get back to that desperation feeling. That's a terrible feeling. And that's the feeling most people are listening to this exist in. That feeling of concern about your bills. It's the number one struggle in marriages.
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I guarantee you it will cause less crime. I think crime will dip substantially. I think there'll be less civil unrest. People's needs will be met. It'll give everyone that feeling of, oh. I don't have to worry about my bills anymore. It's just finding purpose. That's going to be the next thing. And the people that are really going to be fucked are the people that didn't find purpose already.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And then they're like 40 and then that happens because they're going to be sad. And that's what I'm worried about. I'm worried about the people that are already sort of indoctrinated into a certain specific way of living. And then all of a sudden their purpose, which was their job, you know, they worked at the factory and they're like, you know, Johnny's employee of the month.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Johnny, you're doing a fucking great job. We really appreciate you. And that guy feels purpose. He puts in a hard day's work. When he gets that paycheck, he knows he earned it. That's who he is. He's the number one guy at the plant. He's the foreman. He's the guy the men respect. That's a real thing for human beings. We need a thing that makes us feel like we're progressing.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's a part of our DNA. Our DNA, the reason why we're still alive, the reason why we survived is because we solved problems. We figured out what's going on. We made ourselves useful. And it makes you useful to the tribe. It makes you feel good. You have a sense of purpose. That's the guy that's the best hunter. She knows how to fucking plant vegetables. He knows how to make cloth.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Everybody had a job. And it gave you a sense of purpose.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
We're going to have to figure this out quick because I think it's going to be like the birth of a child. It's going to be like this screaming, painful. It's going to be this thing filled with anxiety, but it is happening whether we like it or not. And if we don't start educating children.
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about the benefits of having a fulfilled life where you're doing something you actually enjoy and not telling them, don't do that. It's too hard. Don't do that. It's risky. Thank God I didn't listen to anybody because I, You wouldn't exist. I would have not a thing I did ever anybody told me to do. Not fighting. My parents tried to stop me from fighting when I was doing martial arts.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
When I tried to do comedy, they were worried that, why aren't you? You did so well in martial arts. Why are you quitting and doing this new thing? And every fucking step of the way, when I started doing podcasts, my friends were like, what are you wasting your time doing this for? We started doing video podcasts.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I was like, I don't care. I just want to do it. Just do what you like to do. But I just, for whatever reason, got lucky that I got into a pattern like that very early in life. Both my parents worked, so there wasn't a lot of guidance. So I found a thing that I liked, and I just went and did it. And, you know, they're like, why are you wasting your time? Bye, Mom. Fucking leave the house.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And I was on my own. And so I got into a pattern of that early. But there's so many people that don't and so many people that get a job. And then that job is going to go away and it's going to be replaced by a fucking computer. And if you're listening to this and that happens to you, don't become an alcoholic. Don't just give in. Find something else. Find purpose. Find a thing.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
There's so many. I wish I had 50 lives to live simultaneously.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I would have a bunch of different jobs. I've always wanted to do a bunch of different things. There's so many interesting things in this life.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Howard Stern used to mock podcasts, and he was my hero as a guy who loved listening to him on the radio. And hearing him mock podcasts when I was doing them, I was like, damn. I was like, oh, he's wrong.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Ah, it's a good laugh. It's a good one. It's the best laugh.
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We've got to stimulate them. Stimulate them with interesting things. I mean, that's when we're talking about how I got this unexpected education on this podcast. I realized that it wasn't that I was not interested in things or that I wasn't intelligent. It's that I wasn't stimulated. And I was a very physical person when I was a kid. I had so much fucking energy.
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And when you're sitting in a class and you're a little buzzsaw, it was like, I can't do this.
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If I lived with the wrong parents, and especially in a different time, I would have 100% been medicated. But what it was was that I was a different car. I wasn't a Honda Civic. I was a Shelby Mustang. I needed to go. I need to go. I got to get stimulated by things. I need stuff that excites me. I can't just sit down and I'm not good at listening.
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It doesn't just do that. It tells you to not go for it.
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It tells you you're a bad person if you can't be bored.
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We all celebrate these people that escape. Somebody had to be Jimi Hendrix. Somebody had to be Richard Pryor. Like, obviously, they were real. Like, so they did it.
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It is fascinating, but I like the way I do it because I get to talk to anybody I want to. I don't have to just deal with things that are disturbing. I can talk to someone who's a beekeeper. I can talk to someone who makes cabinets.
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You got to pursue it like your life depends on it because it actually does. It actually does. And you can get gig jobs. You can wait tables. You can drive Uber. I drove limos. I did construction. I did whatever I had to do. I delivered newspapers. I did whatever I had to do to try to do a thing. And I didn't know if I was going to make it, but back then...
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#2214 - Shane Smith
When you're 21 years old, you have no responsibilities. No health insurance, no nothing. And you could just fucking try things. Just try things. And if you don't do that, you're going to be sad. And that's the reality of the world we live in. When people want to talk about the levels of depression in this country, what about the levels of purpose?
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And do they coincide with the levels of how many people have learned to control their emotions? How many people have learned to get their health in order? How many people have learned how to meditate? How many people have learned how to think about things before you make a decision and try to give yourself advice objectively?
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How many people have learned how to apologize to your friends, apologize to your family if you made a mistake? How many people have learned to own up to when you were in the wrong? Instead of just covering it up and pretending and arguing and trying to distort things, just learn. Learn and grow. We all make mistakes.
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And if you're on the wrong path in life and if you're doing something you don't want to do, figure out a way to get the fuck out of that job and actually do it. Don't talk about it. Fucking do it. And if you do it, it's going to be so exciting. It's going to be terrifying. You'll be like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm afraid. Oh my God, I got to make this happen. Yeah.
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You have to. You got to. You have to. If you don't, you're going to be sad. And that's just the reality of a lot of people. Or you're going to be angry. And it's really, you're not even angry at the things you think you're angry at. You're angry at your existence.
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That's what you should enjoy. If you're sitting at a restaurant having a nice steak and a glass of wine, you should enjoy the fact that we're not in rubble.
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This really is the promised land. It really is. I mean, clearly not for everybody, but also there's a possibility. The opportunity awaits itself right here. It really is the greatest country the world has ever known. In the middle of all the bullshit we're going through and all the chaos and all the potential wars that we're involved in and wars we're involved in.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, it's just what I'm interested in. It just happens to be that a lot of people are interested in these things. So it's lucky. And it's also because I'm actually interested in it, I don't have to have fake conversations. There's no one I have on where I'm like, I can't believe I'm talking to this man. Well, you see that, right? You see that in late night talk shows.
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It's still the greatest place ever, the greatest time ever. It's just confusing.
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I used to want to live in Canada. I used to love Canada.
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I was like, I could live in Vancouver. Like if shit hits the fan in the United States. It's a beautiful country. And Canadians are amazing people. They're amazing. Amazing people. I always feel like Canada has 20% less douchebags. That was my feeling. When I used to do shows up there, we would all talk about it. We'd do a gig in Toronto. We'd do a gig in Montreal.
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I love it up there. I love the people. They're friendly and hardworking. They're peaceful. They're smart. They're educated. It was always fun. I loved it up there. I just love the attitude of the place. I've met so many cool people in Canada. But now the way Trudeau is running it, it scares the shit out of me. I'm like, you guys are sliding into communism. You're sliding every day.
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They push a little bit further, a little bit further. I mean, if you don't get rid of that guy, if you don't turn that thing around, you're fucked.
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They don't want to be interviewing this person. It's too much.
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Well, vice versa. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Call of Duty. You know, when a new Call of Duty drops, everyone's trying to find a way to squeeze in those extra hours of gameplay. I get it.
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Zero. Yeah. The only thing that changes is if there's someone who really wants to push reform, really wants to change things. And the real question is, like, when you get a guy like Trump who's promising all this stuff, how much can you actually get away with? How much can you actually change? What can you actually do and will that change things for the better?
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That was what it was. Well, not only that, a long time ago, we gave in to allowing money to enter into politics and this huge influential way. And then we allowed pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on television and all those things. But those were the big ones, because as soon as you had control of the narrative, there's no way the media is going to.
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the spoil the relationship that they have with their biggest providers of revenue they're not going to do that so whatever it whether it's the food companies or whether it's pharmaceutical drug companies they're going to ignore as much as possible about the negatives of of these products and then you have a propaganda state where you have these people that are literally hired to say stories they know are not true because this will benefit the people that are their advertisers and that's where you get fucking crazy
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It's also how that model implodes, which is fascinating. So that model becomes less relevant. And the Michael Schellenbergers and the Matt Taibis of the world, then people start turning to them. The Glenn Greenwalds of the world. People say, well, these people are honest. Well, I'm not a journalist.
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I don't remember where I was going. Where was I going? So what they've done is they've created their own demise by giving it to Satan's deal. So by sucking Satan's cock and getting all that money, you've now – you're not – a news organization anymore. You're a propaganda outlet and everybody knows it. You have the news, but the news is a thin layer of bread on the shit sandwich.
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By the way, it worked. Yeah. Well, I mean, look, you can use money to get a lot of things done.
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Look, can I pause you for a second? Because Jamie, you brought something. Jamie, you didn't bring it up. Somebody else brought it up. Sean brought it up to me. Was there some sort of a physical altercation between Jill Biden's people and Kamala Harris' people?
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There's a few people I follow where I know they're full of shit because they just want to see nonsense.
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And I just go, what does this take? It's a lot of the Michelle Obama has a dick.
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Yeah. But I'm like. Yeah, I'll send this to Jamie so he knows what we're talking about. Yeah. It's just like.
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How do you say his name? How do you say his name? Posibic? Posibic. But this guy's pretty legit. There was a physical altercation between Jill and Kamala staffers in the White House after Jill's press room last week began with the accusation that Bidens were undermining Kamala deliberately per White House official. Well, it does seem like he's doing that.
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Like when he called that press conference, he hadn't called any press conference. So he decides to call a press conference in the middle of a national emergency.
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Yeah, and he's out, but he's still the president, so he can call a press conference, so he decides to do that. Wearing the MAGA hat. Like, look, there's no fucking way they're happy they got kicked out, and Jill did not want him to step down. She started taking cabinet meetings. Right. Like, who elected you? Can I do it? Let me do it. Let me do it. I'm not elected either.
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Let me just sit in, find out what's going on with these people. What are you talking about? How are you running a cabinet meeting? You're just married to the guy that's the president.
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There you go. I hope she's running it. I hope she's boss bitch.
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Reagan's. I always wonder if he was doing like a Jimmy the Chin type thing. No. Look, Reagan- Here's Jimmy Tingle, who's an amazing comedian. He had this great bit way back in 1988 when Reagan was in trouble for selling weapons to Iran.
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I would do that. He said he couldn't remember anything. That's a good move.
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Who could tell you whether or not you can remember things? You could play dumb.
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That's what Jimmy the Chin did. I don't remember. Do you know that story?
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And he would walk around with a bathrobe and slippers and just mumble to himself.
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And he would walk down the street with his capos, and the FBI knew this, and so what they did was they put these little microphones on all the hubcaps so that they could record his conversation as he walked down the street. So as he's walking down the street, they were recording everything. Wow. I love shit like that.
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Like when Israel intercepts the pagers of Hezbollah and blows everybody's balls off, that is – look, it's terrible that those people died, but it seems like they weren't good people. But at the bottom line is, you know how fucking genius that is?
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Wait months and make sure that no one's on an airplane.
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I've read that. Yeah, it's a great book. It's about this.
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Yes. Fantastic. It's crazy. When you find out they're doing that, like, God damn. Well, you know how goddamn genius that is? Imagine being them and realizing, like, this is how deeply Israel's infested your organization.
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And then they're trying to get new guys and they're like, I don't want that gig.
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The whole thing is very, very fascinating. Well, they're the people that invented Pegasus. They invented the ability to just now apparently with Pegasus 2, all they have to have is your phone number.
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I would tell that to people. Just a fucking idiot. Shut his phone off.
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It's true. Meanwhile, you're never off. The phone's actually never off. Yeah, exactly. That's how you can use Find Your Phone.
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I mean, I'm sure there's probably some hacks, but Eric Prince. has a new phone called the unplugged phone that's designed by the guy who created Pegasus, apparently. And it's like this untrackable phone that kind of constantly, but... Who knows? I don't. I think you are, first of all, with quantum computing. When quantum computing becomes ubiquitous, there's going to be no more passwords.
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It's going to be real weird. Because I've always said what money is today essentially is numbers. It's just ones and zeros.
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And the thing that you see with the internet is as technology increases, people get more and more access to information, to ones and zeros, to data. The bottleneck is going to be money. And eventually that's going to break through. And then what do you own? And who owns what? And where is it stored? And what is it?
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Oh, 100%. Every time I have a conversation, every text I send, even the fucked up ones, I go, well, someone's got that.
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Not only that, if you're in some sort of a trial, all that shit becomes public record.
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That's what gets really weird. Like there's two different people that were involved in trials where my text messages to them became public and got printed in stories. One was Alex Jones. The other was Elon Musk. It's very strange that they just have access to your text messages.
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Like for what reason? Yeah. Because I'm talking to some guy that I know. Like what do you, what do you, like the fact that, and the Alex Jones thing, they wanted every text message he and I had ever exchanged.
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Fuck you. So we got it down to whether or not he talked to me about Sandy Hook.
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Yeah, it's a sport for people, and it's a way to make a living. I mean, it's like gold digging. It's a viable strategy.
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There's a lot of that. There's a lot of that. Definitely a lot of that. Tort reform, that would be a good thing.
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But I think what we were talking about earlier with quantum computing and AI, I think we're all in real trouble.
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Because I think this society is going to be completely reimagined. And it probably will lean towards some sort of a more socialist existence because of necessity, because of this money thing. Because I just really don't know how you're going to accumulate real wealth if everything becomes digital. I think if everything becomes digital, AI, quantum computing, we're going to have real chaos. Right.
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And if you're just rioting to get universal basic income raised up to $125,000 a year, that's what we're going to be dealing with. People are looking for incremental improvements in their life where they don't have any other way to make money. It's like they're stuck on the dole. And we could have an entire class of society that's just stuck on the dole forever.
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Yeah, which gets larger and larger, especially as technology increases to the point where almost all jobs are irrelevant. Like Hollywood is in deep shit. They're in real, real, real deep shit.
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You do it through prompts. And you do it almost instantaneous. Yeah. That's what's going to be so bizarre. And then the real problem with that is if AI is controlling the news, like who's controlling AI? Like what control? Are we going to get to a point where we say, you know, we're going to have to let sentient AI control information?
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And then we find out that sentient AI is withholding information from us because it doesn't think we're emotionally stable enough to process it, which we probably aren't. Yeah. You know, if there's some sort of a civil turmoil that could happen because some information gets released.
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Yeah, that's the fear. The fear is rebellion. And I don't think that's necessary. I think clearly there's something happening to the human species that's technology driven. And we're moving into a completely new way of existing. And it's going to be a tumultuous journey. The transformation, the process is going to be scary.
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It's going to be very fucking strange because it's going to be unprecedented in its impact and the speed of its impact. Yeah, the speed is going to be – you know, the internet, it took a couple decades before we figured out how fucked up it is. You know, it came around in the 1990s. People started using it, you know, kind of everywhere. You've got mail.
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And then 2000, you start getting fucked up videos and craziness. And then along comes social media and everybody's like, oh, my God, everyone's connected and everyone's addicted. And then you're getting all this negativity because that's what attracts views. So your algorithm is information. Yes.
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I guarantee there's some sort of government agency that's involved with just distributing narratives and arguing against certain things.
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Well, once they have quantum computing, we're fucked financially.
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Because as soon as someone has that with AI, the whole financial institutions crumble. We're going to be in a giant mess. And I don't understand how they could ever figure out a way to stop that.
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I just don't. I see as technology scales up, it's just going to have more power and more access. And the innovation is going to come so fast, you're not going to be able to keep up with it. And all of a sudden, it'll be too late.
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How long it takes society to adapt to a new technology.
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No, I think it's going to happen so quick. And I have the craziest thought about it that just keeps popping into my head is that I think that we are creating a new life form. That's what I really think.
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But I think that's what the universe does. I think that's probably what all these alien encounters are. I don't think they're biological anymore. I think life gets to a certain point where it – It gets so smart that it creates a new version of itself that's superior.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Either it merges with it. I think that's what the aliens are. I think they're us.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, it's also probably other civilizations from other places that are far more advanced that have figured out a way to get here. And it might be interdimensional travelers, which sounds ridiculous until you talk to actual physicists that can tell you it's provable. Yeah, dark matter, dark energy. There's 10 or 11. I don't even know what that is.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That's just a lack of an understanding of what the fuck is going on.
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Michio Kaku, I think he made a particle collider in his house.
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But what does that even mean? The thing is, like, what is your brain? And is the soul a real thing? Because I tend to think the soul's a real thing.
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I think there is some sort of a life force that's inside of you that's not just your heart beating. I think there's a thing inside of people, and I think you recognize it when you're around people. And I think... It's one of the most unique aspects of being a conscious creature is that we think of ourselves as individuals, but we're really connected to some great well of souls.
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Yeah, there's something that's going on where we're all in this together in some bizarre way that's, for some reason, very difficult for us to recognize in normal life.
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regular life it's hard for us to like you you get these moments where you feel it whether it's a psychedelic experience a near-death experience a profound love feeling there's joy yeah there's the birth of a child there's moments in life where you feel like everything's connected like you you see like through the curtains yeah and you get a chance oh god this is so much bigger than us or creativity than everything when something just comes to you and you're like where the fuck did that come from right it's the yeah it's in the it's in this
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's in the space around you somehow or another. That's the concept of consciousness being what you're actually is tuning in to what's out there. It's not local. Your consciousness is not this local thing. Your brain, the local thing, is just an antenna.
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And it's distributing this consciousness through your unique biology and unique life experiences and where you live and who you're friends with and what you interact with on a daily basis, what kind of energy you get in, what kind of energy you put out. And it's all somehow or another bizarrely connected to the way the whole universe works, that it all works together as one unique gigantic system.
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You know, that's the craziest theory that came from the Bob Lazar stuff. The craziest, you know, the Bob Lazar stuff, the guy who was working back engineering UFOs for the government in the 1980s.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
He told the same story. You know more about it. This guy's told the same story for 30 plus years. It's the same story. He was an engineer. He worked at... Los Alamos Labs. And then he left there and they hired him to do propulsion work.
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And they brought him in and they showed him this thing that had an American flag on it. And he was like, oh, it had an American flag sticker on it. And he was like, oh, they're ours. That's why everybody's seeing these things. This is like some top secret thing that we're working on. And slowly but surely, and again, this is not fact. This is just his story.
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Slowly but surely, over time, he's brought in to analyze this thing, tell us how it works. He realized, like, this is not ours. It's too small. The ship... was made for three-foot-tall inhabitants. Everything looked like it was 3D printed. There was no seams. There was no bolts. The whole thing had no – there was no electronics.
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It somehow or another was connected to the minds of the pilots, and it had some sort of a reactor that had a stable form of element 115, which was just theoretical at the time. It wasn't even proven until they proved it with a particle collider in like the 2000s.
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So this guy was telling the story about how they have this element and bombard this element with radiation and it makes this gravity propulsion device.
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So one of the things that he said was that they had a very thick book that was all information about religion and that this was one of the things that they had got from these alien inhabitants that we are vessels, that they look at us as containers for souls.
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A little nutty. But also, like, if, just think about this. That sounds crazy that we're vessels for souls. But imagine if the life force of a soul is a real thing that's limited to biological organisms. But then you create life that is not biological. And you create this thing that is this sentient life force that's digital, completely digital. But it doesn't have a life force.
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It doesn't have soul to it. Now, imagine you bridge the gap with hybrids. So you have a thing that is part alive, part a biological organism, and part interconnected. And it needs to be – if it wants to continue to have creativity and desire and needs –
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And it actually has a task that it wants to accomplish and that this has to be connected somehow or another to biology and that if you want biology, you have to have a soul.
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Well, if this is what the universe does when it creates superior beings, it kind of makes sense that we have all the attributes that we have. It makes sense that we're territorial. It makes sense that we fight over resources. It makes sense that we're competitive. And it makes sense that we're inquisitive and that we constantly search for innovation. We want the newest, best stuff all the time.
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We have throughout human history. We've always aspired to have the best plows, the best trucks, the best this, the best that. We always want better and we're always working on these things.
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What does that lead to? That leads to artificial intelligence. It's almost like that's what we're doing. We're making this cocoon and the butterfly is going to come out of the cocoon and we don't even know why we're making it. We're just fucking toiling along, doing our thing. And it also connects to materialism because one of the things that materialism does is it encourages innovation.
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It encourages constant purchasing of goods. If the phones that we have right now are perfect and we never have to get a new phone, all you have to do is repair them. It would just be repair shops everywhere. You would need a new phone. There would be no need for innovation.
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Yeah. Yeah, right. But, well, light bulbs were better. They used to be better because they didn't burn out.
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Yeah, but then they came out with the LED light bulbs. It's actually even better because then they don't, you know.
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They're all cool. The ones that never burned out. They are cool.
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This is a whole industry. Make them buy another light bulb.
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Yeah, you shut the lights out. You're going to burn the light bulbs.
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Yeah, and then they burn. They get black in the bottom. I'm like, shit, we lost the light bulb. Yeah. But if phones were, I mean, if we're satisfied, phones are so good. Why do we need new phones? But we do. Oh, the iPhone 16's coming out.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Ooh, Samsung has a 25, Ultra 25's got a better zoom. And you just fucking keep hopping on that. It's just a normal thing that we do. We do it with computers. We do it with everything. We do it with cars. And I think that that's just a constant thirst for technology.
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Yeah, Moore's Law. But Moore's Law is out the window. It's out the window now. It's all exponential anyway as soon as all this stuff gets popped out, as soon as we give birth to that AI demon.
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Supposedly, Area 51. Supposedly, S4. Area 51, S4. Site 4 is where he worked. See? I don't know. I don't know how much of it's bullshit. I think some of it's bullshit, right? So whatever it is, you have to say some of it's bullshit. It seems like the United States government is spending an inordinate amount of time studying these things. There seems like there's a ton of whistleblowers.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
There's a ton of programs that most of us did not know about. So why do these programs exist? So it is either a top secret drone program that has a super sophisticated propulsion system that's far beyond anything that we're aware of today. That's probably true as well. But also, the universe is filled with stars. The universe is filled with planets.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
The odds that none of them have life are very low. There's Fermi's paradox, like where are they? Well, they probably don't want us to know too much about what they are because they want us to figure out a way.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Also, get to the next level. Get to the next level. You don't just fly in and give people death rays.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I would imagine the correct... The correct path is to let people evolve, let people make these mistakes, figure it out, have revolutions, have elections, have innovation, have this constant desire.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Exactly. That's the problem, too. And then also, I think. There's probably an interdimensional aspect to it. There's probably some things that aren't even real that you're seeing, but they are real somewhere else, and you have a window to them.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
There's probably bizarre states of consciousness where a certain amount of psychedelic chemicals are released by your brain and a certain level of anxiety and a certain environment and circumstance where you have access to a frequency that's not normally available to you. And I think some people are having these kind of experiences, and they're calling them aliens.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
But I do think there's something going on with crafts. And the thing about these crafts is they existed way before there's any reasonable assumption that people had technology that could do those things. Like the Kenneth Arnold sightings from the 1950s are the best example. Something that was moving far faster than anything that we had. Silent, looked like a saucer skipping over the sky.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
They saw like a bunch of them flying around. These guys are fighter jet pilots. They don't have a history of making up things. They're not liars. And there's a ton of those sightings. And those sightings go way back. They go way back. And it's probably some of the stories in the Bible and the Bhagavad Gita. There's a bunch of stories about flying things and flying chariots and wars in the sky.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
There's some wild shit. And you've got to imagine that if this is a long, slow process that every intelligent being goes through in the universe, that this is just like – We look out, we see all these different planets that are in the Goldilocks zone. So we know that the kind of life that we have can exist in these planets.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
How many of them have people or things or some form of super intelligent organism?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Probably infinite numbers. Probably infinite numbers. And they probably visit emerging civilizations. It just makes sense. Just like we would. Just like we would visit a Stone Age culture and watch them from afar. If we found some lost tribe in Siberia, you know, with fucking— Like the island off India, you know.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
There's tons of examples of how we behave in those situations, and we're retarded.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
If you imagine something that's far more advanced than us, it would be much more sophisticated in its approach, probably would occasionally abduct people and study their biology, probably does have a way to erase memories, probably does leave people with significant trauma and confusion as to how this experience is real. How do you put it in the context of your normal day-to-day life?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
How come it never happens again? Yeah. You're just sitting home waiting. This is going to happen again. And then the rest of your life you're like freaked out that the walls are going to melt and all of a sudden you're going to be on a spaceship again. If that is real, like who fucking knows?
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And those people, imagine being one of those poor people that does get abducted by aliens and everybody thinks you're an idiot. Everybody thinks you're a liar. Everybody thinks you're a fool. Oh, Mike lost his mind. Thinks he got abducted by aliens. Meanwhile, he really did.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's going to be a real problem. And I think it's a slow trickle. So I think that that's what we're experiencing. And I think this is normal. I think there's like deep denial in the 1960s. And there's also Operation Blue Book, which is a concerted effort to dismiss all the sightings as illegitimate and swamp gas. I mean, J. Allen Hynek, who ran that program.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
When you started Vice, it was one of the most refreshing news sources. Because it was like these intelligent people that didn't seem like regular journalists. They seemed like just people that you knew.
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eventually, when he left the program, became a huge UFO believer, and then completely changed his tune and explained how he was told to debunk everything, but there was a bunch of things that he couldn't debunk. I think the number's like 90-10. 90% of the things you could, oh, that's Venus, that's this, that's that. 10%, there's no fucking way.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
This is like, whatever this is, there's physical evidence, there's a bunch of shit. Something happened, and he was a believer before he died, a big believer, and a proponent, and would talk about UFOs openly. And I think there's too many of those guys for it all to be bullshit. There's too many people for it all to be bullshit. But some of it is bullshit. And some of it is ours.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I think some of it might be back engineered. I think some of the Bob Lazar stuff might be legitimate. Like they found things, whether these things were left behind for us to discover, whether they made some sort of a deal.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
But I think there's intelligent life other than human beings that interacts with us. Bingo. That's what I thought.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I think so. Yeah. Obviously, a lot of people agree. It's just you're always going to have people complaining. You just can't listen.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That's the thing. It's like if you live your life by the whim of people that are willing to complain openly about almost anything, you're going to live a terrible life.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And these kind of things, if they're not fascinating to you, that's fine. That's you. But I don't know how you could not be fascinated by congressional disclosures, whistleblowers talking about – programs that are beyond oversight that are retrieving crashed UFOs and back engineering them.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And we've been doing this for decades because if they're telling the truth, either this is a spectacular lie or they're telling the truth.
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And if they're telling the truth, how the fuck are you not interested?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
They seemed like normal people. Yeah. And yet all of a sudden they're wearing a flak jacket in a war zone.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Only to idiots. There's way more people that are... Even the New York Times in 2017, they posted legitimate journalism on UFOs.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You can't listen to them people. There's a lot of people that could join a cult. If you wanted to start a cult, you could probably do a really good job. You'd probably have a lot of people in your cult.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
They seem like normal people and they're hanging out in a hot tub in Thailand.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Pretty easy to do. Right? Why? Because a lot of people are gullible and they're stupid. It's easy to get people to do things. It's easy to get people mad. It's easy to get people... That think that Donald Trump is Hitler and it's easy to get people to think that Donald Trump is Jesus. It's like there's a lot of opinions out there. And that's fine. That's part of the fun of life.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And morons and their stupid opinions is also flavor. It's a little bit of flavor in the soup of life.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's like it was normal people that were interested. Yeah. Like Vice Guy to Travel, that one with Heinmo's Arctic Adventures.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
But we're trying to figure out. And this is where it gets like in the weeds scientifically. Is that what it looks like? Or did you make it look like that to represent these quantum entangled photons, but the shape is arbitrary, like you chose a shape? to get these quantum entangled photons to exist in. I don't know how you would do that. I don't understand the way they're recording it.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I don't understand the technology behind it. I don't understand the science behind it.
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Scientists have used first-of-its-kind technique to visualize two entangled light particles in real time, making them appear as a stunning quantum yin-yang symbol.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Again, I'm reading this. I don't know what to tell you. A reconstruction of a holographic image of two entangled photons. The new method called biphoton digital holography uses an ultra-high precision camera and could be used to massively speed up the future of quantum measurements. So this is the way it's worded. Go back to the way it's worded.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That is till today one of my favorite videos you guys ever did. I fucking love that story because- It's amazing. You've got this guy that lives in the most remote human. Yeah. Like in this tiny cabin. He's been there since the 1970s. He doesn't even he saw 9-11 in a photograph. That's all he knows about it. He doesn't have any television up there.
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It's a first-of-its-kind technique to visualize two entangled light particles in real time. But this is the part that gets me, making them appear as a stunning quantum yin-yang symbol.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I don't understand it either. I'm too stupid for this conversation. But just the fact that we know that quantum entangled particles are real. Just the fact that we know this spooky action at a distance that Einstein talked about. The fact that we know that... Quantum particles can exist in a state of motion and still at the same time. They can be in superposition. Like, what do you say?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
They go in and out of existence. It's measurable. We don't know where they go. We don't know what's happening. It's magic.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's all magic. And then the fact that... Atoms are like mostly empty space. What does that even mean? Yeah. What are you talking about? Yeah. What does that mean? How are they connected? Yeah. Just the nature of existence itself is magical.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah. You're taking stardust and turning it into a star.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's pretty amazing. And you need that in order to power quantum computing, by the way. You don't need multiple nuclear reactors to power quantum computing. All of it's bananas, man. It's bananas. I mean, thank God there's so many different kinds of people because there's people that are wholly obsessed in pursuing that.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I'm so fascinated by the people that study just the universe itself because they're constantly dealing with new data. Like this James Webb telescope thing is like thrown everything into a tizzy.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You know, there's these new red spots that were there, the formation of the universe. They don't know what the fuck they are and they went away. Love it. Yeah, like, what is that? Love it. Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie, because it's one of those ones where you're like, you read it and you're like, what does that even mean? What are you saying? Like, what is this?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
This is it on Life Science. James Webb Telescope found hundreds of little red dots in the ancient universe. We still don't know what they are. Yeah. Small galaxies that are either crammed with stars or they host gigantic black holes. The data astronomers have collected continues to puzzle them. And then there's the data where they're finding galaxies that were formed too quickly.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
He gets VHS tapes occasionally and watches them on a tiny TV. Yeah. And he just lives in this subsistence lifestyle, just fishing and hunting and living off the land. And an intelligent, interesting, articulate guy. You know, and he seems way happier than most people I know.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
So it's throwing into – like they're starting to consider the possibility that the universe is far older than they thought it was.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And it's probably filled with life just like this. There's probably people doing stupid shit all over the universe.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, that's a cordyceps mushroom. It's great for oxygen utilization.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And you don't have to just buy it from us. Buy it from Onnit. Go get Cordyceps mushrooms. Super legit endurance supplement. I did it for concentration.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It was great. Well, that's AlphaBrain. That's AlphaBrain. Yeah, AlphaBrain is the nootropic. AlphaBrain, we have a black label that's like a super strong one now. It's really good.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Nootropics are legit, and it's not just alpha-brain either.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
No, no, I don't smoke. This is just fun. It gives me a little extra energy. Just a little nicotine. Wee! Makes the brain fire up.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, if you smoke. Yeah. Probably the best way is probably a patch. But that just feels weird walking around with a patch. No, nicotine good for the brain, bad for the... I know guys who do that when they work. They put a nicotine patch on just for... Really? Nicotine is a legit nootropic as well. Yeah. Nicotine actually positively affects cognitive function.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Vape is fucking terrible for you too. Anything you burn. Well, anything you're putting into your lung. You're putting chemicals into your lungs. They're not supposed to go in there. Get fired up that way. Except weed, of course, man. You know what's another unheralded nootropic? Creatine. Creatine actually increases cognitive performance.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's a muscle supplement. It's like a supplement that they figured out in the 90s and people started equating it almost like steroids. It was like a scandal. People were taking creatine. It's like a powder. Yeah. I get it in gummy form. I get creatine gummies. I just chew a few of them every day. Great for your brain. Great for your brain. Great for muscle recovery.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
There's a bunch of different stuff that's good for your brain. You ever try NeuroGum? Neuro gum's great. It's just gum. It's just gum. You chew it, and it's got theanine in it and a little bit of caffeine. Great for firing your brain up. I'm going to go try it. So when you're doing this podcast thing, do you have, like, a weekly schedule? You're doing it twice a week?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Are you mixing this in with investigative journalism? Are you going places and talking to people?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That's just what's so crazy about having so many different groups manipulating us through bots. Yeah. We don't really know what people actually think. And the problem with people is they don't really know what they actually think. There's a large percentage. I'm going to just say men because these are the ones that bother me the most.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Men who say things because they know that people want to hear them and because they know it won't get them in trouble to say it. And they don't necessarily believe it. Like it could be about trans athletes. It could be about like some sort of – it's a lot of it is connected to woke stuff. Yeah, politically correct. A lot of it is connected to ideology.
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Like they'll have a super positive gaslighting version of what's going on at the border. And they do it because they have to. Super positive? Yeah, super positive. Like, you know, it's important. Immigration's important. And, you know, it's very difficult for these people otherwise. And they have this, like, bullshit. Yeah, okay, also terrorists.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Okay, also murderers and rapists getting released from Venezuelan prisons, making their way across the border.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
But some people are walking across the border into America.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, you say smuggle, but people just go across on their own accord, too. It's not just like smuggling.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That's really scary. It's like somewhere in the neighborhood of 300,000 missing children.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
So you get two narratives. Two completely different narratives.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, that's what's scary about today is that it's hard to figure out. And depending upon what tribe you're a part of, if you're on the tribe of the right, you think one thing. You're on the tribe of the left, you think another thing.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Isn't it funny? You can't name a kid Adolf, but you can name a kid Joseph. There you go. Isn't that weird?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, the bottom line is a lot of people are being brought into this country and then being shipped to swing states. That's real. That's undeniable. The percentage of people that are in swing states of illegal immigrants moving to swing states is off the hook. It's crazy. It's a bizarre number that seems to be a strategy.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Of course you can eventually. They can. They're trying to. to do that.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, first of all, you have no ID voting. Okay. Right. This is something that they're pushed in California and they pushed a lot of places. There's only one reason to have no ID. That's to have people that can vote that shouldn't be voting. That's the only reason. If you only want the people to vote that should be voting, you ask for ID. Just like you ask for ID for everything else.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
But wasn't Adolf really common with the Germans? I don't know.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
The only reason to have no ID, the only reason to have no ID, and to push that, and it's only being pushed by the Democrats. There's only one reason that makes any logical sense. You want people to vote that probably shouldn't be voting so you can get some extra votes. That's the only thing that makes sense.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
So then if you have people like Nancy Pelosi, who's openly talked about giving amnesty to the people that are already here, You have voters now. So you have voters in swing states that you brought into this country and you provided them an amazing life. And the Democrats brought them there.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
They're going to be loyal to the Democrats, especially if the Democrats continue to provide them with housing and money. And why would you vote that out? Why would you vote for a bunch of people that want to deport you? They're talking about mass deportations. Imagine if you came here from Haiti. You lived terribly poor life in Haiti. Now you have a good job in Springfield, Ohio.
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And you're like, I can't fucking believe we're in America. This is amazing. And someone comes along and gives you the ability to vote. And then another group is saying, we're going to mass deportate you because you people are eating all the dogs and all the cats. Then there's like this fucking. Of course, you're you're getting voters. You're bringing in voters and you're getting voters.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Right. We haven't seen it, but it's clearly a strategy that you could employ. And if you were going to employ that, wouldn't you move those people to swing states? You would.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And if you find out that there's an app that you can use, and you use this app, and they'll let you in the country, you can schedule a way to illegally move to the country, and then you're legally protected once you've done that. So it's basically an open border.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, no Adolf in the Bible, so. No. Didn't make the cut.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I know what the app – You know how hard it was for you to become an American citizen. Okay? It was very difficult.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And you have to give a reason why you're supposed to be there. You have to be an exceptional person.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I have a couple of friends of mine who are just coming here from England, and I had to do this visa thing for them, like give them a recommendation. But you have to be exceptional. You have to be something special. Or you can get on that app, and you can just come over.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
but when you guys were you know when it was young it was like it was new internet right because internet opened up a bunch of different possibilities and it opened up possibilities for legitimate independent journalism and legitimate independent thinkers who were really disconnected from the sort of stiff stuffy mainstream perspective of what's going on in life and you guys gave
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It seems like it simplifies people being able to get in the country illegally.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, it's the big argument on the debate between J.D. Vance and Tim Walz.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And they tried to frame it as if this had existed for a long time. And that's when J.D. Vance had to step up and stop them and say, you said you weren't going to fact check. And this is whether that's not true. That app did not exist. You can literally schedule it. It used to be for people that are already here. Like for kids that were born in Mexico but have lived their entire life in America.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, we've got to find out a way to citizenship for those folks. That's fucking crazy. I know a girl. She's 28 years old, and she came over here when she was a baby, and she's not an American citizen because her family's from Mexico. That's crazy. To me, that's crazy. That doesn't make any sense. She's been here her whole life. She's a goddamn American. Let's figure that out.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Right. Well, that's what so many things. I mean, we had that with COVID. We have that with the Ukraine war. Like, who's responsible? Is it NATO? Did someone cross a red line? Would someone violate an agreement? What is happening in Israel? What are the facts? Right. Are they really hiding in tunnels? Is Israel really shooting aid workers? What is going on? What are the real facts?
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And also, if you're a human being, you have empathy. You have compassion. If I lived in Ecuador or wherever these folks are from, And I found out you could just cross America or you could get on your app and you can get into America. 100% I would do it. And you would too. And, yeah, we have the greatest country in the world. And that's why people want to come here.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And, yeah, you have this land of opportunity. It's amazing. But what we really have to do is make sure we don't let in murderers. And fucking killers and rapists and thieves and gang members. And a lot of them are getting through. And that's what we have to be careful about. It's not just not letting people in. Sure. I mean, I bet we could sustain a lot more people in this country.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And I bet a lot of those people that come over are hardworking, very ambitious people that are excited to be here. They would love to be a part of the American experience. They'd probably love to recognize as Americans.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It has to be fixed. But the question is, they could have fixed that.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
So then they need a show like yours to lay it out. That's what it is. You need something where someone is going to give you- At least try. And not come at it from a right-wing perspective or a left-wing perspective. Just come at it from like, this is what it is.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I think there's more politically homeless people now than ever. I really do believe that. And they're going to side with one side or the other based on their opinion, mostly about Donald Trump. But other than that, it's like you're trying to figure out what team you belong on. And both teams are filled with scoundrels.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You go far enough to the left and far enough to the right, you have the same kind of monster that's adopted a different ideology. That's all it is. Well, they're politicians. It's not just politicians. It's gang members. It's the politicians, of course, that are like the leaders. But you've got these gang members because basically anybody can join.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You guys gave a completely unfiltered perspective as a normal human who's experiencing these bizarre circumstances in these exotic lands. And it was awesome, man.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Anybody could join the left and anybody could join the right. And there's a lot of mentally ill people out there. And so they join this and their whole identity revolves on crushing the right or crushing the left. And owning the libs. That's a giant percentage of social media. All these mentally ill people that are in a gang. And that's all it is.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And that's why they attack people, try to de-platform them, try to get them fired, letter campaigns. They're gang members. It's a gang. And it gives them purpose. Because they don't have purpose in their life. Which is why they're on Twitter 12 hours a day. Because they're mentally ill. And it's exacerbated by social media.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I give a shit about this stuff. The only way you find the truth is social media. It's just you have to do a lot of sifting. A lot of sifting. You've got to figure out who's legit. And that's where community notes comes in very handy. I like that. And it clowns people on both sides. And it's good. It's very important.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That's fucking real journalism, right? If you want to do that, you know better than anybody it's real journalism. Yeah.
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And especially the way you're doing it now. We're, you know, small. Small, baby. Keep it tight. Small, baby.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Nobody wants to listen. All these dudes, they get big and then they have staff. And I go over to their place. I'm like, why are all these people here? There's so many people here. This is a mess. You did it right.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And then... Now it's this bizarre propaganda machine that's ideologically captured to the point where it's preposterous. Like they say things that are just so outlandish and so not in tune with logic or objectivity. It's so strange to see going from what you made to what it is now.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Nobody came knocking with those dollars. I didn't have a thing that you could sell like that. Because my thing only works if I'm at the microphone. It's a different thing. And it only works if I keep doing it exactly the same way.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, that's the problem. We used to get people way high before the show, and then they would kind of close off. It's not good. Because you could see them be paranoid. No, it's terrible.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I used to love to get my opening act super high. Yeah. Just to watch them panic when they go out there. I'm like, don't worry about it. Just go have fun. You got to learn how to be yourself in that fog, and maybe you can find something different when you're out there.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
The scariest thing is when you're talking and you don't know what you're talking about.
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But all you need is footnotes. Someone goes, trains. Yes.
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The train. And then all of a sudden, that door opens up in your brain, and you have access to all the information again. It's weird how it sort of compartmentalizes memory like that.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's weird. But it would there were fun days because we were doing it for the right reasons. It was just for fun It was just to do it because I can they all it didn't make any money for so long It was just how long years five years.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It basically paid to keep the lights on and paid for web hosts and all, you know.
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In the beginning, it was super cheap because it was just a laptop and a microphone.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That was super cheap. And then we started expanding. And then once I got the first studio, I'm like, well, I really need a bigger one. Then I got a warehouse. And then... Then it started getting weird.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I had two at Woodland Hills. Did you go to the warehouse one?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah. So there's a tiny one, and then we had the big-ass warehouse. We had a gym in there and all kinds of stuff. Yeah. It's like everything – things scale up, but the most important thing is – The reason why podcasts work, I think, is because people are listening and they know it's just a conversation. So it works in your mind. It resonates in your mind.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You know this is not like some heavily produced thing where there's an agenda and there's a script and a teleprompter. And you're trying to pretend that you're being real but you're not being real. So it doesn't feel right to people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2214 - Shane Smith
Right. And so the more people you have involved in it, the more it's not gonna feel right. My friend had a studio and he has a glass wall and the production staff is all working and walking around behind this glass wall and he sees them and I go, that's a distraction. Why do you have that? This is bad for the conversation. You've missed the point.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2214 - Shane Smith
The reason why it works is because the people at home, the people that are in there, they have ear pods on right now going on a jog. They're just as much in this room as you and I are because there's no filters. It's just us.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
those things but you're exactly right everybody thinks that they want to be a television show yeah and if you look at a television show that's professional professional i don't think professional's good yeah i don't think it's good i don't think that's why like i'm gonna take the best comedy shows are live comedy shows you want to see comedy watching on netflix is awesome yeah watching live is 70 better yeah because you're there it's a real experience collective experience yeah go back to your we're all
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah. And I think once AI comes around, live performance is going to be one of the few ways that we're going to be able to connect with each other.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah. Like in a real way. Last human things they can't do. Yeah. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2214 - Shane Smith
And that's... It's a scary proposition because we really don't know. Like maybe for the first time ever. If you lived in 1970, you were pretty sure what 1980 was going to be like. Maybe you're wrong a little bit, but you're probably pretty accurate. You could extrapolate. You could look at it and go, I see where this is going. Today, we have zero idea what 2034 looks like. We are just guessing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, the thing is also today there's these kind of conversations that are out there that put these thoughts into people's minds and inspire them to do something that didn't exist when we were young. There wasn't these kind of conversations that could really light up the fires of your creativity and your ambition. In fact, it was the opposite.