The CISO’s AI Dilemma: Shadow AI, Survival Moves, and Governance with Josh Copeland

 CISOs are being asked to do two things at once: deploy AI faster and guarantee it won’t backfire. In this ClearTech Loop episode, Jo Peterson talks with Josh Copeland — cybersecurity executive, professor, and author of Unpopular Opinion — about how to balance speed and safety in AI adoption. You’ll hear about: Four AI “survival moves” CISOs can use now: hypothesis testing, knowledge synthesis, contextualized decision-making, and creativity catalysts. Why Josh rates shadow AI an “eight out of ten” risk — and what CISOs can do to govern it instead of chasing it underground. How to embed explainability, human oversight, and resilience into AI systems from the start. Why every enterprise needs an AI Incident Response playbook before scaling. Josh brings 25+ years of experience spanning federal, state, and commercial sectors. He’s also the author of Unpopular Opinion: Burning Down the Bullsh*t to Rebuild Cybersecurity. Subscribe to the ClearTech Loop Newsletter on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/7346174860760416256/ Episode Description (Short): Jo Peterson and Josh Copeland break down the CISO’s AI dilemma: how to move fast on AI adoption without breaking trust.  

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